[QUOTE=VivaMattyVegas;2361955]In terms of RTFF and research, I've done more than I care to admit[/QUOTE]Ah ok. You should have admitted it.
If you want the short version of my advice:
1 if you're going to do it accept that it's EXPENSIVE. You can't do it on a small budget and if you try you will not enjoy it and will have wasted your money. You can do cheaper incall in Macau with Darling 1 and 2, Houva, Viet massage shops, and some pensions I think they are called. I don't know where the massage shops are or exactly what the pensions are, if that's even the right name. I read it somewhere probably here because some members contribute good quality intel.
2 Do your research for which saunas you might visit and how to get there. Buy a small waterproof pouch that you can keep your valuables in while showering. Maybe get something that allows you to conceal cash in the pouch too so you can buy some off the menu extras. You can take your own condoms in this way. But maybe the lady will insist on using her own.
3 go visit several saunas: try Beverly because it's more relaxing, try Nobre because it's a bit cheaper, try Rio for the large line up, try East for the AV session, try Golden for the interactivity with the service girls who stay in the lounge then try some other saunas not normally reported here.
4 now that you're a veteran sauna man, write some reports to help other newbies especially about saunas not normally listed.
I'm told by a non-service Indonesian woman at Emperor that either Boss or Big Boss is terrible. They are two different saunas but the names make them hard to distinguish.
Brace yourself, long version is starting.
[QUOTE=VivaMattyVegas;2361955]the issue is much of it is either outdated or conflicting.[/QUOTE]I haven't been for a few years now so I don't have fresh info. Before my last trip there was a crackdown, the Lisboa Racetrack was closed, freelancers were removed from casinos and saunas asked for cash not credit card. Also Family Nobre no longer did line ups in the lounge. You have to get up and walk down a corridor. But they did do shows for VIP members.
But when I went back a year later saunas were taking credit card payments again. I didn't notice any freelancers in casinos but I don't spend much time there. But they were probably back. The racetrack was still closed. You can relive the glory days with online videos.
I don't think any saunas have closed. Maybe some have renamed.
[QUOTE=VivaMattyVegas;2361955]The "sauna" concept is not something that exists in the USA and doesn't seem to exist in many Asian countries at all, that's why this has me curious for details.[/QUOTE]There are detailed reports on the internet if you look. You probably have but haven't admitted it.
Do your research for which saunas you might visit and how to get there. Streetview or the Chinese QQ version are your friends. Buy a small waterproof pouch that you can keep your valuables in while showering. Maybe get something that allows you to conceal cash in the pouch too so you can buy some off the menu extras. You can take your own condoms but the lady might insist on using hers.
The main things to remember are:
Everyone from the obligatory middle aged women hanging out outside the front door to the obligatory middle aged women on the payment desk to the waitresses knows why you are there.
Don't be tempted by the onslaught of massage offers you get in the lounge unless you really want them.
Learn how to take advantage of the show times to get a better seat in the lounge or to get a better line up of service girls.
A basic walkthrough:
1 arrive trying not to look too embarrassed having had to fight your way through a crowd of middle aged women lurking outside the door for no obvious reason. The Houva you are so interested in isn't a sauna and so desn't have the middle aged women outside. But it is opposite a school so if you feel shy then don't go at school closing time because you'll have to fight your through a school of spotty unshowered teenage boys.
2 go the payment desk and hand over VIP number or optionally join as VIP. Ask about VIP costs and benefits and make your own mind up if it's worth it.
3 you'll be given a locker key with a number. Don't lose the key as the number is your new name. Go to changing area, find your locker, put your stuff in the locker and change into a towel and flip flops. Some saunas have men usually from Vietnam to help you some have women usually from Indonesia or Philippines. You might be able to make private arrangements to meet them but expect to pay close to sauna shag prices because the staff know the prices you are obviously willing to pay.
4 waddle to the showers in your towel and get clean. Some saunas like Golden and Family Nobre have bikini women who will help you for a fee added to your final bill. It's worth doing your first time just for the experience but what experience you will get depends. At Golden you sit on a stool and get a hand job in front of all the bikini women who want to watch and giggle. Great if you're an exhibitionist. At Nobre you get a body wash on a table in a private room with the door open.
4-a as well as showering you can also brush your teeth and shave.
5 waddle to the second changing area where more bikini women will help you change for a tip added to your final bill. You don't have to tip at all but they will make you feel guilty and suggest quite a big tip. They will give you new flip flops just as uncomfortable and ill fitting as the first pair. You will also get a pair of stupid shorts with no fly and an ugly robe. This is the customers uniform and although the style was out of date in the 70's already you should wear it with pride. Shorts come in two sizes, too big and too small.
6 waddle into the lounge and be directed to a seat.
7 spend 10 minutes trying to understand a nonsense menu written in Engrish and fending off constant attacks from massage women and some male staff.
8 these massage women and maybe some male staff will be offering various things. The men tend to offer nail cutting and foot massage and maybe hair cutting. Each women tends to do only one of ear cleaning, neck massage, shoulder massage, leg massage or thigh massage. Thigh massage is code for a halfway hand job. Sometimes this is in the main lounge sometimes in a private room. If you sneak some cash in you might be able to get some full extras. But this is going to risky for the woman and expensive for you. As with the changing room staff the massage women know the price of a sauna shag.
9 before agreeing to any massage of any type talk to a manager (they usually wear jackets) to see what's what. Some saunas like East give you a free massage after you have had a sex session but that might not be for every session. The rules such as they are fast and lose. I am told this especially true for 18 Sauna at the Golden Dragon where all staff are "on the take" if that's the right phrase. I'm told that all staff is asking for cash on the side. I am told that if you go with cash in hand and the right attitude this can be entertaining in its own way.
10 the menus at all saunas are confusing at first. They refer to things like "Korean style" and "Shanghai style". The price is the clue. Shanghai style is a regular massage done in the Chinese style which is basically a military attack on your body. If you want to know what it's like to be beaten up by a middle aged Asian women using only her hard as nails fingers then this is your once in a lifetime experience. The other styles of massage are the horizontal jogging sort and the style refers to the nationality of the girl. I'll put a bit more about this later.
11 there is food and drink on the menu. If no price is shown then there is no extra charge. If a price is shown this is an extra added to your final bill. The choice of food differs a lot between saunas. The quality ranges from ok to poor. Don't go to one of Macau's Michelin star restaurants first because the come down will be just too much.
12 some saunas like Beverly have no shows. These lounges are the best for relaxing.
13 older saunas like Emperor and Rio (I'm told same owner and Emperor was the first in Macau) have shows in another room and you have to surrender your lounge seat to go and see. If you don't choose a service girl after the show you can go back to the lounge but you might not get any seat if it's busy. You can use this to your advantage if you couldn't get a seat before a show. Either ignore the show or leave as soon as it is finished.
14 newer saunas like East and Golden have the show in the main lounge but only for those who already have seats. Shows might only be on busy nights to Thursday thru Saturday and from maybe 9 pm until maybe 1 am. I think it depends how many big spenders are in residence.
15 some saunas like Nobre only have shows for VIP members.
16 you can read and watch examples of shows on the internet.
17 you can pick a girl after a show but the competition from other customers is fierce. Think desperate cattle market. If you can't shout numbers in Chinese then you're going to be the last guy to be asked.
18 you can ask for a girl line up at any time. For half an hour to an hour after a big show the line up will be reduced. Between 2 am and either noon or 6 pm the line up will be small maybe as small as just 2 girls.
At saunas you have to expect a certain amount of what I consider cultural racism. Priority will be given to wealthy Chinese customer then wealthy customers from other places in Asia. However some of the managers especially the Indonesian and Burmese ones can be very friendly towards westerners. Like all businesses worldwide some managers are crap while others are really crap but some actually understand customer service.
The other cultural racism thing you will encounter is the pricing. Vietnamese girls are the cheapest but in a sauna nothing is that cheap except maybe an overnight stay instead of paying for a hotel. The price of a Shanghai attack massage usually gets you a free or heavily discounted stay overnight in a private room. This is often a similar price to a 3 or 4 star hotel but with worse facilities. For even less money you can try the sauna's dormitory. Fucking good luck getting any sleep in there.
The Vietnamese are considered by the Chinese as not very physically attractive. Personally I think the Vietnamese are sexy. But one hot as hell older Indonesian pro told me you have to be wary of the Vietnamese because.
[QUOTE]everything Vietnam girl is imitation, hair, contact lens, cheeks, tits, ass[/QUOTE]I have usually found the Vietnamese to be very attentive but I had some er disappointments with some at Nobre. But the first one I had there was awesome.
The southern Chinese are the second cheapest because they are shorter and darker skinned. This is less attractive to the Chinese but I like the look.
The northern Chinese are taller and paler and more expensive. They can be very pretty but it depends on what you like. Some of the ones I've seen marketed as Mongolian looked more like Mongolian warriors. But some where beautifully feminine.
At the top end are the Koreans and Japanese. One Korean guy in East told me they are definitely not Korean girls but Chinese who look a bit Korean to the untrained eye. If you are doing a nationality bucket list then try Korea or Japan for the authentic product. If all you care about are looks then these ladies are definitely beautiful. But whether they are a $1000 beautiful is your decision. If you got for one, forget the cost and dive into the experience. If your mind is on the money you won't get your moneys worth.
There might also be a few girls marked as Malaysians or Singaporean. And there may be some exotic imports. There are reports of Nobre having a Ukranian. I once had a Jamaican at Nobre. I could tell by the accent that she wasn't. She might have been Dominican or maybe a black South American. She didn't sound African. She wasn't very good at the business but she did have beautiful skin. Golden had a black Brazilian with very long very permed bleached blond hair.
The best two tips I can give you are 1 forget the money and 2 be clean. The service girls really appreciate a really clean guy with fresh breath. You have to over do it not just be clean but be seen to be clean. So I always revisit the shower area after I've picked a girl for teeth cleaning while she's gone to get her toolkit. Exception is Nobre because of where the line up happens. I ask for the line up and go freshen up while the line up forms. If you read reports about reluctance from the girl then you have to wonder whether the guy had done his best to be clean especially breath. And if he was polite enough. [QUOTE]You're paying but you're not buying outright ownership of her. You are not buying a guaranteed good time. You are buying the OPPORTUNITY to have a good time. Be obviously clean and gentlemanly and do what the lady likes. As you get experienced you can learn what she really likes like which breast or nipple is more sensitive. Ticklish or not. Clit or g spot. How fast or slow she likes it. Shallow or deep. That's how you have a good time.[/QUOTE]
I am sure this is more than enough information for you to get started. The sauna is an expensive experience. Don't nickel and dime. Just go jump in with both feet and fresh breath. You'll remember the experience longer than the cost. Well probably. It IS expensive.
