Moscow

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]I was frankly very surprised to hear that you got into a fight at HD. [/QUOTE]Wasn't me that almost got into a fight at HD.

I'm sure there are other incidents I've since forgotten, but mine were:

Near fight with a French guy at Karma Bar yelling how important he was and being a general ass. He was drunk and left.

Near fight with a French guy at Dacha (St.Pete) who was hassling my girl in a really stupid and rude way. He left when I got in his face.

Near fight with a Russian guy at Griboedov (St.Pete) who was calling the girl I was talking to a ***** because she was talking to me, a foreigner, and not him. He wandered off to another dance floor and I never saw him again. Girl was so pissed off at us both she left the club shortly thereafter, although maybe it was because I grabbed her girlfriend's ass.

Just for reference, I've been to Odessa (Ukraine) not nearly as often as Moscow and in those few visits had several incidents, mostly caused by Russians on holiday being total asses and trying to push me out of the way at the bar etc. or local Ukrainian guys getting territorial at the Arkadia beach clubs.

So yeah, in that sense club life in Russia is fairly safe if you keep your radar on.

I will say though that I've heard from several Russian friends that the streets have been getting more aggressive again. I've noticed an increase in the number of bums downtown as well. For the last couple of years they had disappeared, but they're back, complete with their battered and bloodied faces. Can't imagine what their nights look like.

If you are white, you seldom encounter problems of this nature in Russia or Ukraine.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Wasn't me that almost got into a fight at HD.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Doc, sorry I wasn't clear. The hazards of quoting...

I've never gotten into a fight in Moscow, but got close around 7 years ago at Propka. At the time, I didn't speak a word of Russian, but from this guy's actions, he didn't like that I was with a Russian girl - not to mention the two cuties who were with me (I'm not one to wax nostalgic, but damn, those were the fucking DAYS!) He lunged at me, but my girls quickly got between us. After his own girlfriend started freaking out, he left.

Oh, and then there was the time just a couple months ago when I was walking between clubs with a girl. A skinny 20-something druggy approached us and asked for money. Ignored him at first, then politely told him to buzz off, but he wouldn't give up. Then my girl suggested (in English) that we give him something just so he'll go away. Apparently he understood it, and suggested 10 [B]dollars[/B] or he "didn't know what might happen". I snapped - got about 5 cm from his face and started yelling the nastiest Russian mat that came into my mind. It was only my second date with that girl, and not knowing me that well (I'm usually pretty mellow) she started to freak out, pulling me away from him. Suppose it was effective, as he quickly turned and walked from us, muttering some shit about how "Russia is for Russians".

That said, no bar patrons can come close to the damage potential of Moscow's finest - the militsia - whose motto is "to protect and to serve [I]ourselves[/I]". But that probably warrants a thread of its own.

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]That said, no bar patrons can come close to the damage potential of Moscow's finest - the militsia - whose motto is "to protect and to serve [I]ourselves[/I]". But that probably warrants a thread of its own.[/QUOTE]QFT... although IMO St.Pete's finest schools Moscow's finest on being total dickheads. I hate those fuckers. Been rolled by them twice.

First of all thank you very much to all the folks who share there experience and make life of people like us helpful.

Now here is my situation. This summer when I am going to Asia from USA I am planning a 2-3 days stopover in Moscow. I am planning to use that time wisely and want to explore all the potential in that time. My questions are

1. Is it a wise idea to consider this at all? I am asian by look no knowledge of Russian at all?

2. What kind of money will be required for stay and fun in 3 days?

3. Is there some proven and time tested place where I can go and have fun without much haggle?

4. Can I do anything in advance before my trip to make my trip easy and fun?

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]For the last couple of years they had disappeared, but they're back, complete with their battered and bloodied faces. Can't imagine what their nights look like[/QUOTE]

Those words perfectly describe some street girls I've seen. Weren't we talking about Amy Wino earlier :)

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1. Is it a wise idea to consider this at all? I am asian by look no knowledge of Russian at all?
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Looking asian, you're subject to be stopped by the police. If staying less than 3 days, you don't need to register at all, and can tell them to fuck off (politely, of course). Otherwise, I wouldn't walk the streets at night alone if I were you. You'd probably be fine, but there are young nationalist skinheads who bust foreigners' heads for fun. Not that common, but still...

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2. What kind of money will be required for stay and fun in 3 days?
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Depends upon what you're used to. Hotels can be very expensive. I'd recommend getting an apartment in downtown. Decent ones can be had for $150/night, maybe less.

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3. Is there some proven and time tested place where I can go and have fun without much haggle?
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I'm gonna have to say RTFF here. There are many avenues to have fun in Moscow, and I don't have the inclination to summarize them for you.

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4. Can I do anything in advance before my trip to make my trip easy and fun?[/QUOTE]

Learn some Russian. It will help you immensely to learn the basics (Cyrillic alphabet, counting, greetings, simple negotiations). Don't bother with grammar (which is a total b-i-t-c-h), just focus on vocabulary.

[QUOTE=Blaked]Usually the hotels will be kind enough to help you out. I noticed that in Saratov. I was in two hotels. Bratislava and another one. And both were courteous enough to call and offer girls. Utah in Yaroslavl offers an average selection for 2000. Dosug. Ru offers a lot of provincial listings, although many are overpriced. Many girls seem to be using love. Mail. Ru and its sister sites to advertize. In Kiev, many girls do this while sitting around in the internet cafe at Bessarabski Rynok! Ukraine is really the best place for P4P right now because Gryvni are effectively 9-10/dollar. Given that they were 5/dollar forever, it seems as if everything is half-priced. That means that the love. Mail. Ru girls are going for less than 50 bucks (write them and they'll write back with prices, which are between 400 and 500 per hour).[/QUOTE]I read your post and good thing I did hehe. I see you been to Yaroslavl, can you tell me how far the train station is from the airport in Moscow. What is the normal rate? I am flying from ST. Petergbur to Moscow and I have to find my way to the train station in order to travel to Yaroslavl and my Russian is zero to no good. Hope you can help me out thank you. I read alot about this town and I want to visit but definately will do my munching if I get the change but ST. Peterburg oh yea ladies here I come LOL

I have to say reading all these post is a challenge but the information is awesome! Stravinsky, IT travelor and Doc! You guys are information gurus! My hotel is set up, visa is set and I have my IPOD with usefull Russian translation!

I am all set for ST. But reading all these post I may have to travel to Moscow too! Forget the bloody hotels! I think appartments are the way to go! $600! Yea thats nuts!

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Five star hotels in the city center start at $600-$700/night, so I assume you have more money than you know what to do with (any chance of giving some to me?). This is good, because you will need LOTS of money. If you don't speak Russian, then you will have to find women in Moscow who speak English. They exist, and they also know that they are a rare and valuable commodity and will charge you accordingly.

You will have to stick to the expat clubs like NF or Hot Dog's and will be limited to the selection you find there. If you are staying in a first class hotel, then there will also be working girls in the hotel lobby or bar, expensive but you pay for the convenience.

Strip clubs are also a possibility for the Cyrillicly challenged, no verbal communication is necessary. When the girl holds out her hand, you put some money in it. If it's not enough, she will let you know. Just keep on giving the girls money and they keep dancing. What could be easier?

The strip clubs also have private rooms, but on-premises sex is the most expensive in Moscow. The cost of a private room for an hour is around 5 to 7,000 rubles. If you also want a girl who will get naked and do nasty things with you in your private room, prices start at around 6 - 8,000 rubles (in addition to the room) and can go to 15 or 20,000 rubles.

It is possible to take a girl out of a club, but this is also expensive and will require some negotiation with the girl. There are girls in the clubs who might be willing to meet with you "off the clock", but, again, negotiation will be required.

I would take Jake's advice if I were you. Use the next 6 months to learn a little Russian. You should at least learn how to read the Cyrillic alphabet and how to count.

Otherwise, you may as well go to Vegas. You'll enjoy it just as much for a fraction of the cost.[/QUOTE]

Doctor Skank

Your post motivate me I like traveling on my own but I have to agree going to the club with a wingman is definitely more fun in the end. The language barrier is a pain but body language, good sense of humor, well groom and confidence go a long way! Women do not respond to timid guys I know I used to be one when I was 15! Once you decide to approach a woman with confidence you will either strike out or catch one!

I have strike out many times but I keep going until I find me the one! Street game is good at least you know what you are getting. Meeting girls of websites can be tricky because you never know what you will get. I know I met a few sexy girls who turn out crazy, bad hygiene oh man terrible!

For guys going on vacation defiantly don’t go for one if you are on vacation meet a many as you can if all fails call girls! LOL I know I had my share when I wasn’t getting any from the club or malls LOL.

For the person who posted 2 weeks man can I take your spot! I am only going 3 days but I am positive I will nail someone!

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]1) Being alone is not a problem. Going to clubs with a wingman is more fun than alone that is for sure, but I actually do better when I am alone. If you don't want to go to a club alone, just make mamba dates and go from there.

2) [url]www.afisha.ru[/url]... in addition to all the places we've talked about here.

3) that's your problem. Like I said, you have to make things happen. Sometimes things fall in your lap, but it's rare. Mamba IS work, but you'll have to invest some effort in your project or it won't happen. I don't use Mamba much anymore personally for exactly that reason. I prefer street game, or meeting girls in clubs or meeting girls through social circles. For you however I do believe Mamba is a good start.

4) 1-2 weeks is enough time, but you will have to make an effort. Sometimes great things happen on day 1, sometimes it takes longer.[/QUOTE]

You are one lucky guy Doctor Skank I had the opposite! This is off topic in country so don’t strike me down people! 1st time I went to Ukraine I met a girl from Ivano-Frankov in Kiev! Now I had 10 days of vacation time to be in Kiev but I wanted to know this girl so I went to Ivano Fraknkov with her. I play the nice guy card and respected her. "Wrong move buddy" I should tried to bang her after the second day! I should have left by the 3rd day when I didn’t even received a kiss! She said she liked me and wanted to take it slow, 8 days later still nothing! I lost it and got angry and I said F&&& this I don’t want to be friends I have enough friends, I wasted my vacation with you and I am not going to get laid. I got a slap on the face and she storm out! You smooth your way into her! NICE.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]RM brings up an important point. Not only is it very beneficial to have an aire of mystery around you to keep her fascinated and motivated to please, it is important to understand one vital fact:

When a Russian girl thinks that you are REALLY serious about her and you have sent her these signals or even gone out of the way to make her feel that way, the rules change completely. You go from lover to marriage candidate. This may or may not have a positive effect on your sexual relations. I've been at both ends of the spectrum over the years and if I had to choose, I'd say it's ultimately better to be the lover. This is good, because it also gives you a license to be a jerk. Believe it or not, many girls eat it up. They need and crave the drama and it keeps them passionate.

Being the "really good guy" as many of us Westerners tend to be is effective only long-term... meaning they'll need months if not years to appreciate it. If ever.

Drawing upon a recent example from St.Petersburg, I was meeting a super cute 20-year old party girl. Frankly, she was a tease. We had made out in a club about 10 minutes after meeting. I just grabbed her and we started kissing. I was wearing the white shoes if anybody remembers those. I didn't take her home that night, but nonetheless we hit it off and an emotional connection ensued over a couple of weeks of internet communication. She came over one afternoon when I was in Petes and we were talking and she was raving about what a great guy I was. Nice, but where did that get me? Certainly not inside that tight puss of hers. I stopped her mid-sentence and put it on the line. I told her that I wasn't interested in being friends and that if we were going to keep seeing each other, it would have to be on a romantic, sexual level. My feelings for her were passionate and erotic and not merely friendly. I didn't need or want her merely as a friend. I told her to leave and think about it.

She left in a state of mild shock as I shut the door behind her. She called me the next day and we've been fucking ever since.

It's not a bad method and quite frankly, unless you are looking for "just a friend" you have nothing to lose. In a target-rich environment it pays to think this way, even if it goes against your Western upbringing.[/QUOTE]

When a girl says she "wants to take it slow", what she means is she has no intention of providing anything sexual but is happy to be expensively entertained while you gradually figure this out.

I run a mile when I hear those words..

[quote=jose 911]

i read good hehe.

in yaroslavl, you tell how far train station is from the airport in moscow.

what is rate?

in moscow i to find train to yaroslavl and my russan is zero.

hope you chelp me i want butt munching if i gay here i come lol

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the fairy land choo-choo trainy station in yaroslavl is nice and close to the moscow moo-cow airporty, even steven close so that you can skip candy rope down the happy street in your pretty pink skirt!

just ask some big nice strong chechen taxi mans, to tuck your jumper down into his warm car, and he will give you his bear sausage to play with in your dirty [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url] chute.

if you really want to take the real butch man locomotive, its 5 hours and costs 300 ru, but maybe you should hold tight to your mommy's hand!

[QUOTE=Jose 911]
For the person who posted 2 weeks man can I take your spot! I am only going 3 days but I am positive I will nail someone![/QUOTE]

Am I the only one thinking that Aibolit needs to call 911 and create the most unholy tag team since Tango met Cash? Will pitch the idea to Nickelodeon as a high-concept reality show - core demographic being young playahs in the making. Stay tuned.

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]I've never gotten into a fight in Moscow.[/QUOTE]
Got a cornea fracture last summer from a quite serious brawl with some intoxicated indian suckers in Tashkent at Diplomat Club.

I spent three days going twice a day to the ophthalmic clinic for pasting my eye and with a thick bandage covering half of my face, in mood for nothing, not even for dyevs.