Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2639000]Exactly. Imagine the resources it would take to verify somebody's vaccination. In my country it is just a piece of paper not even saying where the person received the vaccination. No airport, grocery store, disco, etc in their right mind is going to have workers dedicated to making phone calls verifying the vaccinations of thousands of people standing in line in front of them. And the company they call to verify it? They as well would not pay people to man phones to receive the calls to verify if John Smith got a vacination at that particular drug store on such and such date. And what about the pop up places that people received vaccinations? Those have disappeared.

Same as the card that I received for my yellow fever vaccination, no country I enter is going out of the way to ensure the card is not fake. The only people that would be caught on this is those with shotty work like the chick that spelled the name of the vaccine wrong. Otherwise there is no way in telling that your card is authentic from actually getting the shot and another person's is not. Of course they have to publish stories like that and put fear in people as a deterrent.

Here is a picture from immigration in Brazil a couple of weeks ago. It took 2 and a half hours to get through. Now imagine if they had to call all over the world to verify a vaccination card of all these people from 300 different countries. That would take days and an amount of money that nobody is trying to spend on bullshit as such. For the foreseeable future people that are savvy enough to get around the "rules" will enjoy the same benefits as people that follow everything to the letter.[/QUOTE]The problem with you, and many others, is that you're unable to see beyond the nose on your face. If you haven't had direct experience with something you claim it can't happen, or is impossible. Remember your claim that Colombian airport security would never check phones or tablets? Remember how that turned out? Another example from several months ago: I stated that dozens of girls in Medellin we're setting up online stores, selling all kinds of things. You disagreed. I felt no desire to educate you on the subject, but everyday my Facebook and Instagram feeds are loaded with girls selling clothes, shoes, lingerie, alcohol, sex toys, etc. Easily I have contact with over a dozen who have started up some type of domicilio resale business.

Or if anyone recalls Routard posting in the Bogota thread that working girls wouldn't put family pictures in their profiles. Anyone who uses Facebook knows better. Of course there are also all the times when you've stated you've never seen a robbery in Santa Fe or El Centro, as if it can't happen. Again, plenty of reports confirm that robberies do indeed happen. Plenty of examples are readily available of people not believing something can happen, or be done.

I'll even use myself as an example. A bit over 4 years ago, in response to scopolamine panic posts, I posted that it rarely happened and many cases were made up by men who blew too much money and then needed to explain it to their wife. I was wrong. I didn't consider that most victims would be embarrassed to report they had been a victim. Within just a few days several people informed me they had been drugged.

Back to the subject. About 15 years ago I worked for a job placement company. One of the many duties was running a full background check on every applicant: arrest records, driving records, employment history, the results usually took up about 3 pages. Manually entering the necessary information and sending it off took me less than 1 minute, results usually within 10 minutes. Although it's not used as much now, many retail businesses used TeleChek to verify personal checks used for purchases. The process took 10-15 seconds. Clearly verifying a vaccine card is something which can be quickly and easily done, all it requires is a tiny bit of knowledge and a tiny bit of imagination to recognize how.

The only question which remains is when someone will set up a system where a vaccine card can be scanned and verified almost immediately. The method is as easy as any credit card transaction and even more reliable.

So, when the day comes and you find your travel privileges have been suspended, don't come crying about how unfair it is.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2638910]I am pretty sure he did. Adding to the list 1 more vaccinated friend that has gotten covid versus 0 unvaccinated friends that have gotten covid. Let Jj tell it she is probably lying though. And if she really does have it, then she got it from an unvaccinated person.[/QUOTE]The coward's way is to go around attributing your lies about other people behind their back. Why not respond directly to me? Are you tired of being shown up as the pathetic, fat whiney pussy you are?

Where is your response to my reply to your "my doctor didn't lecture me about Covid" stupidity? What about a response to my rebuttal to your "prostitutes taking advantage of customers" garbage?

Stop being such a sad, bloated ****. If you have something to say about anything I've posted grow a set of testicles that are larger than the nuts on the gerbils in your ass and bring it to me.

I'll happily and easily show everyone just how fucking worthless your posts are. After all, I've already done it several times.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2638992]1) The mRNA vaccines are best and most cleverly designed in history. They are much better targeted and more effective than any of the successful vaccines in history, including measles, smallpox, HPV.

2) The vaccine only is effective if you take it. The only problem has been the anti vaccine propaganda and resistance driven by the know nothing party. If there were 100% vaccination rate, this disease would disappear. Unfortunately, the idiot minority has allowed it to become endemic.

3) There is false propaganda / ideology of individual responsibility, individual protection, and individual choice. Here's a better model of humanity: the earth is a culture plate covered with a thin biological film -- we are like bacteria. The idea that some part of the culture can be innoculated against an organism is false -- we have to innoculate the entire population. We can't leave pockets of the disease on the culture plate to survive and mutate.[/QUOTE]1. Tell that to those who took the vaccine got infected and died. The vaccine is deemed so effective that it's almost impossible to enter any country without a negative PCR-test. Mexico is one exception and they allow the unvaccinated to enter the country without a PCR-test as well.

2. Pure BS. Why is it so hard for you to understand and accept that the vaccine is highly flawed?

3. Have you heard of Ebola?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2638911]"random selection from a given target population".

No need to go deeper huacho. You confirmed it there. So you agree that they target vegans. They do it by CHOOSING vegans for the target population. You think anyone would set up a study on for example Muslims without first confirming that their population included Muslims? They wouldn't get very far in an analysis of cerebral palsy if there target group didn't have any sufferers. Of course they know they are vegans. But they would mix them up before they assign them to the different groups. So I stand very comfortably with my previous statement. You fkn moron.[/QUOTE]The hits just keep coming.

"Target population" doesn't mean they are targeting vegans. In this case it means they are selecting a random group of people. If they deliberately select vegans, or any other dietary classification, then the entire study is flawed.

After selecting, for example, 100,000 participants, data is collected from each. Depending upon the purpose of the study, each person is assigned to a particular group, actually several groups, age, sex, vaccination status, diet, pre-existing conditions are just a few.

The researchers then examine each participant who is identified solely by a number, with no other information available, and determine things like infection rate, incidence of serious illness, incidence of death, and more. Afterwards, the data is analyzed and the specific outcome for each group is calculated.

If the study is about the benefits of veganism (to offset the profound stupidity it appears to cause) and out of 100,000 no vegans are found, then they either increase the sample size, or determine there are insufficient idiots like you to warrant any further study.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2639065]The original Salk / Sabin vaccines were about 60-70% effective against PV-1. The newer polio vaccines are more effective (maybe 90% effective against the later variants.
One of the big problems with the continuing effectivity of SARS CoV-2 vaccines is the high mutation rate of the virus.[/QUOTE]I get that improved technology might have gone in to this vax creation, and the virus is a different beast to beaten viruses. But surely the best measure of a vax is its success in eliminating a virus or protecting the population from it. And by that measure, no way is the COVID vax the best.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2639102]I get that improved technology might have gone in to this vax creation, and the virus is a different beast to beaten viruses. But surely the best measure of a vax is its success in eliminating a virus or protecting the population from it. And by that measure, no way is the COVID vax the best.[/QUOTE]It's about compliance. Percentage of children vaccinated by 24 months: polio 92.6%, MMR 90.8%, Chickenpox 90.2%, etc. Percent fully vaccinated against SARS CoV-2 in Idaho 45.8%, Alabama 47%, etc.

I'm saying the Moderna (and Pfizer) vaccine are the most brilliantly designed, safe and effective vaccines to date. The vaccine is a great success. The disease has become endemic for other reasons.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2639087]1. Tell that to those who took the vaccine got infected and died. The vaccine is deemed so effective that it's almost impossible to enter any country without a negative PCR-test. Mexico is one exception and they allow the unvaccinated to enter the country without a PCR-test as well.[/QUOTE]Mexico knows its tourist base.

Wealthy Americans with more money than sense.

North of the border we call them republicans.

They stupidly remain unvaccinated.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2639085]The coward's way is to go around attributing your lies about other people behind their back. Why not respond directly to me?[/QUOTE]Because I can't stand to read more than the first 2 lines of the drivel that you write. So I do not know what I would be responding to you about if it is not in those first 2 lines. The last time I posted about someone having covid twice after getting vaccinated you called bullshit. So I was just saving you some typing time so you would not have to question me again why someone would tell me the truth about them having covid. We already know nothing is true unless you personally approve it as being true.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2638910]I am pretty sure he did. Adding to the list 1 more vaccinated friend that has gotten covid versus 0 unvaccinated friends that have gotten covid. Let Jj tell it she is probably lying though. And if she really does have it, then she got it from an unvaccinated person.[/QUOTE]I forgot to thank you. I'm truly flattered that both you and Elvis consider me to be one of the most influential people in the world. Honestly, I never expected either of you to say I'm literally able to influence billions of people, from the comfort of my recliner. Thanks to both of you for assuming I'm today's version of E. F. Hutton.

However much power over media giants you believe I can exert, I'm not even very active on Twitter. Certainly I'm not setting policy.

It's also worth noting you're both without a clue. Someone able to outwit toast might have noticed Elvis's claro is bullshit. If you remove your head from your ass long enough to check, you might find that Twitter is continuing a policy which has been in place for months, restricting accounts which share false vaccination information. They also restrict accounts of people who engage in hate speech or promote violence.

Again, I already knew you spend much of your time dreaming of being publicly humiliated by me, but I never suspected you considered me one of the world's most powerful figures.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2639132]It's about compliance. Percentage of children vaccinated by 24 months: polio 92.6%, MMR 90.8%, Chickenpox 90.2%, etc. Percent fully vaccinated against SARS CoV-2 in Idaho 45.8%, Alabama 47%, etc.

I'm saying the Moderna (and Pfizer) vaccine are the most brilliantly designed, safe and effective vaccines to date. The vaccine is a great success. The disease has become endemic for other reasons.[/QUOTE]That is simply incorrect, what you say have nothing to do with reality.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2639085]The coward's way is to go around attributing your lies about other people behind their back. Why not respond directly to me? Are you tired of being shown up as the pathetic, fat whiney pussy you are?

Where is your response to my reply to your "my doctor didn't lecture me about Covid" stupidity? What about a response to my rebuttal to your "prostitutes taking advantage of customers" garbage?

Stop being such a sad, bloated ****. If you have something to say about anything I've posted grow a set of testicles that are larger than the nuts on the gerbils in your ass and bring it to me.

I'll happily and easily show everyone just how fucking worthless your posts are. After all, I've already done it several times.[/QUOTE]LMFAO! Jjbee sure thinks highly of Jjbee, too bad he won't ever realize what a worthless little **** he is.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2638925]South Korea is an interestinf case isn't it? Never went in to lockdown yet has one of the lowest death rates among developed countries. Even now, its deaths are spiking but only from a very low historic basic level.

It's difficult to say with any certainty why deaths are spiking now bcos there are many potential contributory factors. Omicron and other variants, low natural immunity, changes to pandemic laws and attitudes. But some scientists in Korea blame it on the waning effectiveness of the vax. South Korea is amont the top 10 most vaxd countries.

So one thing is clear. The vax is NOT doing its job. One could counter that deaths would be even higher without the vax and no doubt that is true too. But they are not effective in preventing spread and eliminating the virus. Which was the initial objective of the virus. Now people are having the change their thinking and pretend the purpose of the vax is like a health booster shot. BUt then that line of thinking destroys the mandate movement bcos it can never achieve its objective.[/QUOTE]No. The only thing which is clear is that you are a lying idiot.

The original purpose of the virus was not to eliminate the virus. That makes as much sense as chugging tequila to get sober. Perhaps you meant the original purpose of the vaccine was to eliminate the virus, which illustrates your complete lack of understanding.

I'll cover this again for the people who only eat vegetables because they don't want to eat anything which is smarter than them. There has never been a vaccine, nor will there ever be, with the purpose of eliminating a virus. Even my sister's dog understands that and he's been dead for 2 years. The purpose of any vaccine is to provide a level of protection from the virus.

If you think about it, which is about as likely as me climbing Mt. Everest naked, it's easy to understand. Vaccines don't kill viruses. They stimulate a response in the immune system. If you want to eliminate the virus, just take everyone who becomes infected and pump them full of disinfectant. It would be 100% fatal and a horrible way to die, but it's the only way you can hope to eliminate the virus.

As you noted, but failed to understand, the vaccine has shown it's very effective at reducing the severity and the number of deaths from Covid, which for anyone who isn't allergic to honesty, is precisely what any vaccine is supposed to do. Since you want to fixate on South Korea, over 90% of adults are vaccinated, but 75.6% of the deaths are unvaccinated. The fatality rate prior to vaccination was 2. 4%, it's now 0. 8%. Really, picking South Korea as an example of vaccination failure, is like picking lions as examples of successful vegans. Let me explain those numbers for you.

If 1,000 South Koreans become infected with Covid, 100 of the infected are unvaccinated, 900 are vaccinated. Out of the 1,000, there will be 8 deaths. Of those 8 deaths, 6 will be unvaccinated. That makes the unvaccinated fatality rate 6%. Meanwhile, the fatality rate for the vaccinated is 0. 22%. To simplify it further that means an unvaccinated South Korean who becomes infected with Covid is 27 times more likely to die than a vaccinated, infected South Korean.

It's really a simple choice. Would you rather have an illness that makes you feel poorly for a few days, or would you rather have an illness which hospitalizes you for 4 months, much of the time intubated, before it eventually kills you?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2639040]I find these really bizarre claims John.

1. You might be impressed by the vaxes, so in your opinion they are the best. I think a vax that wiped out a virus entirely (almost) such as the polio vax would get a higher rating than a vax that only lasts for 4 months.

2. I agree that a vax can only be effective if taken. BUt claiming that the virus would disappear if 100% wer vaxed is pure fantasy and propaganda. The virus was always going to be endemic. It has nothing tlo do with the "idiot minority". There are billions of people around the world that have no access to a vax. Are they part of the idiot minority? I beleive the idiots are the ones that think thought one could wipe out a virus like COVID, and the ones that decided to only give vaxes to people from tier 1 and tier 2 countries..[/QUOTE]I find your ignorance really bizarre.

1. The poliomyelitis virus has not been wiped out, it's still alive and well. However, thanks to the efforts of people who chose human life over stupidity, polio cases have been eliminated everywhere except Afghanistan and Pakistan. However, polio vaccination rates are dropping, mostly due to the efforts of idiots like you. It's quite likely new cases, in countries previously free of polio, will soon occur.

2. Your claim is bullshit, which is standard for you. Polio cases, since you brought it up have been eliminated everywhere except Afghanistan and Pakistan, because nearly 100% of the population has been vaccinated against Polio. If we stopped vaccinating against Polio, we would start seeing cases again within just a few years.

Roughly 1 year ago almost nobody anywhere in the world had access to any Covid vaccines. If you prefer polio, prior to 1954 nobody in the world had access to the polio vaccine. It took more than 40 years for many countries to begin administering the vaccine. Let's use your bullshit rationalization with polio. According to you, since most of the world didn't have access to the polio vaccine, nobody in the world should have been vaccinated against polio. And how effective would the polio vaccine have been if nobody received it?

Currently, over 46% of the world has been fully vaccinated against Covid. That's in about 1 year, an incredible accomplishment. Another year and worldwide vaccination rate could easily exceed 90%, if not for the pandemic of idiocy which is trying to stop vaccination.

For comparison, the Salk polio vaccine began widespread testing in 1955, in the US. In 1953 there were 58,000 polio cases in the US. By 1961 the number of cases had dropped to 161 in the US.

To address some of your other psychotic trash, the standard polio vaccination schedule consists of 4 doses, although some countries administer a 5th dose during adolescence. Yet you have complained because the current recommendation for Covid vaccines is 3 doses, which may eventually be increased to 4.

As for the low vaccination rates in third world countries, I'll use an analogy.

Every time you fly the flight crew gives a brief safety lecture. In the event of a loss of cabin pressure, oxygen masks drop from the overhead. How do they tell you to use the masks? First you put on your mask, then you help others.

The reason for that is if you put the mask on your 3 year old first, then pass out from lack of oxygen, your 3 year old probably can't get the mask on you, and might take the mask off, so both of you die. Although, in your case, most 3 year olds are smarter and more capable and your body dying from lack of oxygen just puts it in the same condition as your brain.

The vaccines work the same way. The countries which have the resources to develop and produce vaccines need to take care of themselves first. If they have to stop production because too many people are sick, then who is going to produce and distribute the vaccines? Is South Sudan capable of producing and distributing 100 million doses per day?

It's pretty funny how you constantly strive to be exceed your previous stupidity. I can't wait for the next installment.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2639145]Because I can't stand to read more than the first 2 lines of the drivel that you write. So I do not know what I would be responding to you about if it is not in those first 2 lines. The last time I posted about someone having covid twice after getting vaccinated you called bullshit. So I was just saving you some typing time so you would not have to question me again why someone would tell me the truth about them having covid. We already know nothing is true unless you personally approve it as being true.[/QUOTE]So, it boils down to your inability to read beyond the 5th grade level? Why didn't you say so. I can run everything through a friend of mine who has been an elementary school teacher for 40 years and have her bring it down to a level you're capable of understanding.

Or is it really because you can't handle someone calling you out when you post bullshit? That seems just as likely. You've shown in the past that you are fully capable of reading more than 2 lines of my posts which aren't pointing out when you are just making shit up.

How do you explain 2 separate cases of Covid in less than a month when recovery from Covid takes about 1 month?

I saw someone claimed not long ago that the Covid vaccines have horrible side effects. I am here to tell you that is 100% correct.

However, "horrible" is a subjective description which is useless when discussing side effects. For example, someone who stubs their toe might say it was horrible, the worst pain they've ever felt. In reality it's almost always minor and quickly forgotten.

That's a good description of the horrible Covid vaccine side effects, minor and quickly forgotten. Perhaps a more detailed description will help.

About 6 hours ago I received a booster dose (3rd) of the Pfizer vaccine. My first dose, in early March, left my arm sore for about 14 hours. It was so incredibly sore that I slept 4 hours and then worked for 10 hours and didn't really notice when the pain faded. The second dose was about the same with the addition of I felt like I might be getting a cold for about 12 hours.

Here are the horrible side effects I've experienced so far with dose 3:

1. About 5 minutes after injection I felt slightly queasy for about 30 seconds.

2. 1 hour after I noticed a slight headache and a bit of pain in my neck. Although I had spent most of the time in a traffic jam, so it could have been a coincidence.

3. About 3 hours in I began to notice a pain in my arm. At 6 hours the pain is so had that I'm unable to play the violin. That may be influenced by my lack of a violin and the fact I've never tried to play a violin. The good news is that it doesn't seem to affect my ability to play my Colombian tiple, or my guitar.

4. 5 hours and I've definitely got a headache. It's possible I might decide to pop a couple of Tylenol in a few hours.

As you can see the side effects are almost unbearable.