Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2227427]...IMHO guys not visiting Gogo bars fall into two categories. Ones who can't afford it and ones who are not let in. Anyone else is lying. 5555.[/QUOTE]Well, your opinion is off. I have taken more than 20 trips to Pattaya over the past 20 years or so. I loved the gogo bars at the beginning, as they had the most eye candy. But over the past 6 or 7 years, the value just was not there anymore. One has to spend an arm and a leg to get a girl out of a gogo bar. I still visit them once in a while for the fun of it, but rarely take a girl from there anymore.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2227665]Go-Gos are for guys who have no sense of value. The gogo girl private parts aren't better than the beer bar girl private parts, IMHO.[/QUOTE]Some gogo girl private parts can appear better but are not always available.

I saw a girl outside Pandas Go-Go I loved) went in and ordered drinks. I was later told this girl does not barfine. Waste of time.

Last visited Pattaya 3 years back. Been some changes since. Still Russian Tourists bringing money to Pattaya. NB All the Russian dancers are strictly above board, no take outs )

What was noticeable is there's now 3 or 4 quite substantial Indian clubs right on Walking st. The biggest is Nashaa which has 2 PR areas where some Western girls hang out. Loud Indian Music and Indian men dancing wildly on stages. Just a few working girls. Not my scene. Those Indian Clubs would pack out maybe 2 thousand Indians every night. With these clubs theres a noticeable influx of Indian Tourists. Many, many more packing out Walking st. Some of them come with problems.

Saw one drunk fat Indian grope a Thai Girl and then when she responded he tried to slap her. All this was right on Walking st. Wow. I couldn't believe it. 3 Thai Mamas came from no-where and he took some real kickboxing to the head and body. These women could really fight. He just wouldn't walk away and drunkenly stood there with his fists up so they did him again and again. What a dumb fuck. His Indian mate was trying trying to join in, I stopped that, I just pushed him away.

Theres a cultural conflict there. The Western 'volunteer' police should be addressing this. I repeatedly saw Indians making nasty comments and harassing girls right on Walking st. Its not the Russian's or Expats causing a lot of problems. Maybe they need an Indian 'Volunteer' policeman ))

Indians complain all over Thailand they don't get into a lot of Clubs. Now I can understand why they don't let them in) LOL. MIXX Bangkok rarely lets them in. MIXX Pattaya is sometimes that way to. Was in MIXX Pattaya last week, theres a mix of non-working tourists there. Saw three Indians who just couldn't understand there were just Russian tourist girls on a night out and kept harassing them. The bar staff actually had to push off the Indians to the other side the venue. And then they had a big angry sulk.

In Bangkok taxi drivers get a commission if they takes passengers to 'Shock89'. So they take Western tourists there seeking a dance club. Its an Indian Club. Again the Indians can't tell the difference between working and non-working. Saw one little Indian groping an Aussie girls butt right on the dance stage. Her boyfriend just pushed him head first off the stage. Sorry I laughed.

Excuse my rant, its just cultural. Thailand is not India. They need to understand that

Cheers Nickc.

I do have some PM info regards some non-Thai girls if interested).

I arrived Tuesday and am having a Blast. There's not enough guys on the ground and the girls are Hungry! They're making me feel like a han-sum man. I keep getting pulled into Soi 6 bars like never before. LOL Best start to my Pattaya trip yet.

[QUOTE=Nickc;2227785]Some gogo girl private parts can appear better but are not always available.

SNIP

I do have some PM info regards some non-Thai girls if interested).[/QUOTE]How is this post in any way contributing to the discussion? Perhaps best to move it to the thread specifically set up as Advise for Indians visiting Thailand.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2227427]
IMHO guys not visiting Gogo bars fall into two categories. Ones who can't afford it and ones who are not let in. Anyone else is lying. 5555.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Point taken. Guys look for "Value" is another way of saying they do not have unlimited funds.

Then becomes a simple choice do I want one fuck with the non value hottie that is a lot of fun, or do I want fucks on two separate occasions with a bargain basement girl (or we could get 3 fucks with a street walker).

Simple choice of choosing quality or quantity just Like I do for my coffee. So far I can afford a better quality coffee, but always look for a good special deal. Am I going to pass up a top wine because it is 3 times the price of the house ordinary taste red? Probably not.

Am I going to pass up a super girl just because she costs me double an el cheapo girl or maybe even triple the street walker. No way. I would take her once in 3 days instead of the street walker 3 times. I try it all, but so far the street walkers are not so memorable. One was even a really good fuck but saggy body. Got bored when she started to want more money because I was not quick, and bored with her looks anyway. So quit her. No keepers. I do find keepers in the gogo bars.

Others don't give a shit about quality of the looks, and want value. We can't complain. Each to their own priority. Obviously the rich man is not so value conscious, his money won't run out soon. The value guys keep trying to argue the price should be the same for the service, regardless if girl is stunner or a hag. Obviously this is dumb assertion. Price is not performance based at all. We have to just accept it, or simply reject the higher cost which many do.

Japanese guys rule the market these days, am I wrong, and they are dominating the gogos that I have been to recently. So whatever the look thy want and the price they are happy to pay. I see some bars have very few Farangs in there. The scene must be does not suit them much any more. My version of value superior girls is getting hard to find. I take new girls less and less.

Reason is combination of cost, lack of time to take a gamble, fussiness, etc. And ability to evaluate the target in more detail. If the gogo girl was a real stunner and her personality okay, then I would take her like a shot, price no big deal. Just has to be sufficiently appealing.

If it just a piece of meat (like chuck steak) then guys want value. LOL Guys that are looking only for service could best lie back blind folded, and enjoy the sensations, but keep the hands off in case of finding something not appealing to the touch.

[QUOTE=DropDoos;2227495]I can afford it and my white face has no trouble getting inside Go Go bars. Except why would I pay 1000-1500 baht Barfine + drinks while I can get a girl from ThaiFriendly for the price of a barfine in my hotel room without even having to go out? I really struggle to see the appeal in Go Gos anymore now. They were fun a couple of times but I find the price / quality to be underwhelming.[/QUOTE]If it's that easy to get good experiences from TF girls at the price of a gogo barfine why on earth did you spend so much money on escort girls (I saw your report on the Smooci thread), given that you probably paid around 10 thousand bahts for so so girls on multiple occasions (yes I know how are the girls that are advertised on smooci, last year I sampled 4 of them, only one was a good pick) ? For the price you paid and the quality that you get from Smooci I'm sure that you could get a lot better from a gogo. The only downside is that you have to go there, chat the girl first and be ready to move to another place if you don't find what you want (but then it's still better than having a girl knocking at your door and looking nothing like the pictures that she did put on a website). As for TF, it's very much time consuming and you have to go through all the crap girls that are on the site for other reasons than yours.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2227895]Then becomes a simple choice do I want one fuck with the non value hottie that is a lot of fun, or do I want fucks on two separate occasions with a bargain basement girl (or we could get 3 fucks with a street walker).[/QUOTE]Why is it assumed that the non value hottie is a lot of fun? Maybe the bargain basement girl is more fun. For some reason, you have also assumed that the bargain basement girl is not a hottie.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2227895]Others don't give a shit about quality of the looks, and want value. We can't complain. Each to their own priority. Obviously the rich man is not so value conscious, his money won't run out soon. The value guys keep trying to argue the price should be the same for the service, regardless if girl is stunner or a hag. Obviously this is dumb assertion. [/QUOTE]Funny. I thought some of the richest guys in the game (Warren Buffet and Bill Gates) are value conscious, and their money is sure not to run out any sooner than all of ours put together.

This is where you shoot yourself in the foot. The problem that I find with your argument is that it assumes that every non value chick is a hottie. Anybody that has been in a gogo knows that the place is not full of hotties. Regular gogo goers on this board even complain that they can go into several and not find that hottie. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it the usual case for all chicks that work in the same gogo to go for, if not the same price then somewhat close to it?

So when all is said and done, you can also get a hag from a gogo and it will cost you the same as getting that hottie. In these venues cost has nothing to do with how the person looks as your post would have us believe. Your post is pretty faulty since it leads us to assume there are no hags where the non value chicks are found and there are no hotties where the bargain basement chicks can be found.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2227895]Then becomes a simple choice do I want one fuck with the non value hottie that is a lot of fun, or do I want fucks on two separate occasions with a bargain basement girl (or we could get 3 fucks with a street walker).[/QUOTE]I really wish agogo bars were filled with hotties. Unfortunately, these days, a typical agogo rarely has even one girl that would favorably compare to any of the top 5 in a single BTS carriage. As for "a lot of fun", there's even less of a chance for that. In fact, I find that cheap girls are more fun, since I can pay them a meaningful extra if they perform, or cut my losses if they don't. The 1000 baht freelancer would happily spend another hour for a 500 baht tip, whereas the agogo girl making 3000 baht ST won't: it makes more sense to wrap it up quickly and look for another customer.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2227965]If it's that easy to get good experiences from TF girls at the price of a gogo barfine why on earth did you spend so much money on escort girls (I saw your report on the Smooci thread), given that you probably paid around 10 thousand bahts for so so girls on multiple occasions (yes I know how are the girls that are advertised on smooci, last year I sampled 4 of them, only one was a good pick) ? For the price you paid and the quality that you get from Smooci I'm sure that you could get a lot better from a gogo. The only downside is that you have to go there, chat the girl first and be ready to move to another place if you don't find what you want (but then it's still better than having a girl knocking at your door and looking nothing like the pictures that she did put on a website). As for TF, it's very much time consuming and you have to go through all the crap girls that are on the site for other reasons than yours.[/QUOTE]I worded myself badly in that post. I have been going on about barfines for about half of my short posting history, apologies for that. But with the price / quality I mentioned, I specifically meant the additional costs of visiting Go-Go bars which always add up on the side as well as other factors which I see as hassle. The barfine which now seems to be consistently over 1000 is a major deal breaker for me. I ain't fucking the barowner, why would I pay that when I can get a lay from TF. Then the drinks costs and lady drinks. Then the constantly hassle from mamas, and the girls begging for lady drinks for their 'sisters'. The horrible 'music'. Those Go-Gos with nudity and shows were fun to see as a first timer but now it got old too. It adds up to up to not enjoying the main selling point of the Go-Gos, meeting the girls and being able to assess them before asking for a takeaway that is.

I have as you rightfully noticed not much of a qualm spending more on a girl themselves. To a limit of course. Aint giving 10 k to a Freelancer for ST, I am not Japanese. That can largely be put down because I come here for holidays and not an expat (I have a hard time assessing if this forum is mostly long term residents or vacationers like me, but I feel the first). If I was living here, Smoochi would likely remain largely unused as I wouldn't be able to afford to smack down 10 k for a long time session constantly.

Apps like TF (and Smoochi in Bangkok for Escorts) give me convenience that I can just sit in my bath tub with a beer in my hand arranging my next bang. I was not longer than an hour at most busy with arranging the next bang. In Pattaya it is insanely easy, the WG's outnumber the non WG's by a vast majority. I tended to start arranging at a time between 12:00 to 15:00 at the latest for the night. That is when the best looking ones pop up in my experience. I also got myself premium (yep, I know I am complaining about barfines but get premium for a website). That is because the INSANE amount of messages they tend to get. You'll put on top of her inbox increasing the chance she notices you exponentially. Be polite, but also direct, asking for instance 'what are you here for on TF?' which nets you the answer you seek very soon and you don't waste too much time. I loved the directness ('I am a freelancer' on the third message LOL). I noticed that many of the better looking girls do have age limits set up which is usually somewhere in the forties. I do not know how negotiable that is though I doubt they would turn a man somewhat above that away when he presents himself properly.

In Bangkok it is different as there are many more non WG. This adds up to the time consumed but has its advantages, the chance of scoring a 'for free'. It definitely was not done in an hour like in Pattaya for me. The better approach there would be to build up some contacts before you arrive. I didn't because I was insanely busy at work before my holiday. Still managed to pull a freebie there but I feel that is more down to luck with my near to non existent game. I also understand why one can't be bothered to do that especially on a shorter trip. I opted for the Smoochi route there more often this time. Convenient, generally good experience barring the #3 I reviewed in the escorts thread. And relatively expensive. Up to you if you feel it is value, which seemingly from your experiences you do not.

To add to the gogo discussion. The Variable is the Girl. Last night I went to the Dollhouse. Found a Hottie, (to me.) At the club she said she would do LT for 3K. She was also showing me some luvin. All good at the gogo. Paid the 1100 BF. Back in the room, before the start of the prelims, she ask for payment. Smelling a setup, (read scam,) I Balked and only gave her 1k. Sure enough, she wasn't into the session, and started to dress upon completion. I felt rushed too. Gave her the other 1k and walked her out. Sure you can have a lame session at a G Club or on Soi 6, but at least you're no out 3k or more. Funny, met a chubby chick at one of the better WS gogo's wanting 4k ST, 6K LT last year. I was like What?!

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2228366]To add to the gogo discussion. The Variable is the Girl. Last night I went to the Dollhouse. Found a Hottie, (to me.) At the club she said she would do LT for 3K. She was also showing me some luvin. All good at the gogo. Paid the 1100 BF. Back in the room, before the start of the prelims, she ask for payment. Smelling a setup, (read scam,) I Balked and only gave her 1k. Sure enough, she wasn't into the session, and started to dress upon completion......[/QUOTE]How much time did she spend with you?

[QUOTE=DropDoos;2228268]I worded myself badly in that post. I have been going on about barfines for about half of my short posting history, apologies for that. But with the price / quality I mentioned, I specifically meant the additional costs of visiting Go-Go bars which always add up on the side as well as other factors which I see as hassle. The barfine which now seems to be consistently over 1000 is a major deal breaker for me. I ain't fucking the barowner, why would I pay that when I can get a lay from TF. Then the drinks costs and lady drinks. Then the constantly hassle from mamas, and the girls begging for lady drinks for their 'sisters'. The horrible 'music'. Those Go-Gos with nudity and shows were fun to see as a first timer but now it got old too. It adds up to up to not enjoying the main selling point of the Go-Gos, meeting the girls and being able to assess them before asking for a takeaway that is.

I have as you rightfully noticed not much of a qualm spending more on a girl themselves. To a limit of course. Aint giving 10 k to a Freelancer for ST, I am not Japanese. That can largely be put down because I come here for holidays and not an expat (I have a hard time assessing if this forum is mostly long term residents or vacationers like me, but I feel the first). If I was living here, Smoochi would likely remain largely unused as I wouldn't be able to afford to smack down 10 k for a long time session constantly.[/QUOTE]I didn't mean to judge your experiences and I'm glad that you enjoyed these girls, but I was just surprised that you put aside the agogos for the price of some ladydrinks and a barfine and at the same time took girls from a website at an expensive price. Now I understand that it's the whole atmosphere of the agogos that you don't like.

If you really like the LT with these website girls and price becomes a concern for you, I may suggest that you take the girl for a 2 h ST first (2 shots on smooci) and if you really like her and she feels comfortable with you, just ask for her contact (Line or phone number), and arrange a meeting with her without having to go through her so called agency. It will cost you a lot cheaper and if you don't like the girl you'll lose a lot less. This is how I did the last time, my first night I booked a girl (it was a first time for me) and I was surprised that she actually looked good and was very nice. After a few days and after meeting a few other girls I realized that I wanted to see that girl again. I then booked her again, and during the conversation I asked her how much she gave back to her agency (750 baht for a 3750 baht girl), finally we agreed that the next time I would contact her directly and give her just the 3000 baht. From that moment, every time she came she was staying for the whole night and it was a great experience. But surprisingly that girl was having very few bookings, she started that job a few weeks before I met her and stopped a few weeks later.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2228518]How much time did she spend with you?[/QUOTE]I didn't look at the clock, but I gusestimate 40 min once in the room.

The Palace Part 1.

I've been slacking on trying to catch up to reports and reviews of girls. I don't honestly see how some folks and experts on here have the time to do so many posts. I have been in Pattaya for over two weeks. The sex capital of the world and hedonist playground, I barely find time report. In my opinion, the more fucking you do, usually equates to the less time behind the keyboard. You don't become an "sexpert" by typing. You become one by doing. Now, since I don't do a report every day and on every girl that I fuck, the nice unique finds and gems are what I like to share. Now we all know, there's only one place where we can go. To see freaky hoes doing' shows. Doing' tricks to make us holler. On a giving night, all for a dollar. Silicone breasts, all on their chests. Nothing' like others, but above the rest. They'll do anything to turn us on. Them hoes got it going' on! And of course, the other night I found myself at Palace, still the #1 ranked Go Go bar again, around 8:15.

The waitress sat me next to a very eccentric and wired up American guy from Hawaii. Couldn't tell if he was on drugs or schizophrenic, but his mind and mouth were running about 100 mph. He had been to Palace, once in his life, a year ago. And has proclaimed himself a professional, knowing everything about what goes on in Palace and on Walking Street. Just to make sure, I did a quick fact check with him to test my new friend. I asked him, "What's the best club. I'm new to all this shit. " he replied anxiously "Living Dolls is the top club in Pattaya. So many hot Asian girls there. " I stared blankly at back at him. His response was enough for me. This guy definitely knew what he was talking about, or did he? I wanted to soak in all the expertise this guy had. For the rest of the time he was there, I just played along that I was a newbie, haven't a clue about Walking Street, nor the girls. Sometimes it's better to bite the lip, so you get the prize.

The guy kept me very entertained. I pointed to Fern #401, who was sitting alone. I told him that she was very hot, but I was too shy to talk to her. (I've barfined and fucked her before). He then tried calling her over for me, but she thought it was him asking and said "no." he said that the way it works is that I should buy her a drink in order for her to come. I told him I didn't know that. I told him I was horribly afraid to spend money on a girl who perhaps didn't like me. He said don't worry and he would pay for the drink for her to come sit with me. Very nice of him. So then I waived Fern over and she smiled, waltzed over shaking her little ass and sat down next to us. When she did, I pulled out this black mini bullet vibrator, turned it on, and ran it across her back to play with her. She shrieked and playfully hit me on my leg. Then I told her, I have a great idea. I'm going to share and hand a bunch of these toys out to some of the customers I see sitting with her model friends. I'm "sure" it will be fun for the girls and customers alike. She rolled her eyes at me and said "you very bad." I pointed to my cheek and told her to kiss it and I won't. Fern did. And that was that. I actually let her keep it and she went around the club, messing and tickling her friends. When she came back, Fern told me, many of her friends asked where she got it from. She would giggle at them and pointed at me. Then many of them then rolled their eyes at her and she didn't know why? I think because I've used those bullet vibrators on her friends' little pussies to make them cum, when I've barfined them in the past. I think they thought I had told Fern our bedroom secrets and was playing with them. There were many "oh my God" faces that night at Palace. But it was still fun.

Back to my buddy from America. For having a mood disorder, the guy was very nice. He was so agreeable to keep buying shots for Fern and even me. What's amazing is the whole time she sat next to us, she did not say a word to him. She is that good at what she does. She can sit next to you, get you to buy drinks for her, and not even say one word to you. She has that power over some. My favorite type of girl. When he finally paid his bill, he told us bye, but ran off too fast. The waitress then came back with his change and it was just me and Fern sitting there. I told waitress what's the problem? She said frantically, "friend you forget him change. " On the tray was about 700 or so baht. Ah, I'm thinking it must be another gift from my Guardian Angels. Little things like this happens to me all the time. I took 100 left it on the tray, took another 100 and handed it to the waitress. Fern pointed at her bra, and asked for the rest for tip. I made a blow job sign with my hand to her mouth and told her "sucky sucky?" She turned her head and just stuck her tongue out at me, so I'm thinking "probably no. " So the rest I kept for myself for lunch the next day. I figure it was my reward from God for being such a nice guy to our little friend from Hawaii.

To be continued.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2229137]I made a blow job sign with my hand to her mouth and told her "sucky sucky?" [/QUOTE]Just a tip. Repeated words are used in Thai occasionally (perhaps similar to Malaysian or Indonesian but less frequently), with basic Meaning "a lot" or "quite".

They will be adverbs or adjectives typically:

"maak maak" means quite a lot.

"boi boi" means quite often.

"glai glai" means quite close (with the right tone).

"same same" is a weird one (since not good English and not Thai either) but could mean very much the same. I suspect Thais copied this one from expats, most likely.

"sucky sucky" seems like pigeon English coming from some other country.

It's either a noun or a verb, and repeating it seems to just sound stupid to me, and possibly to Thais as well.

We don't do this in English.

I suppose it could be imitating the concept where Thais use: "boom boom" for a fuck euphemism but I never heard any Thai say "sucky sucky".

They would ask something like "you want sa-moke?" if trying to do English.

Many think smoke is the English word for suck (as for cigarettes). LOL.

Really we should also not use the term "same same" even if the Thais use it.