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[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2639856]Yea we all understand political spectrum JustTK, but I was not aware Conservatives were enforcing the lockdowns in Austria. I did a little research and it is still showing the conservative parties are anti-lockdown? The left in the USA advocates for Authoritarian polices, what is unfair or untrue about that?[/QUOTE]He thinks people will allow him to define everything not whacko like him extreme right wing LMAO.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2639893]There is a player in the NBA named Kyrie Irving who refused the Vax. His team just activated him to play. This is huge IMO because it means management concluded the vaccine does not prevent transmission and there is so much Covid now they and Irving cannot be demonized if he were to play. And they also concluded players getting Covid is no big deal.[/QUOTE]Sorry to quote myself, but this story is now even more funny now, and the media reaction is precious to it as well.
First off, Kyrie Irving, who refused to be vaccinated, was not allowed to play for his NBA team, the Brooklyn Nets. The media lined up and just blasted this guy saying he should get the vaccine, he didn't care enough, was not a team player, and all the usual antivaxx shaming rhetoric.
But it turns out the fully vaccinated Nets have a problem. Nearly half their team, 7 of 15, the part of the team that was vaccinated, is in Covid protocols now [URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/brooklyn-nets-covid-19-protocols-list-grows-players/story?id=81755847[/URL].
Then I watch this video on ESPN and Mike Wilbon, whom I like, asks the question, How will Irving be received in the locker room? [URL]http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=32891275[/URL].
I was just shaking my head, such a media reaction. People make decisions based on what is going around them. If half my teammates got vaccinated and tested + for Covid and I saw soccer players who were vaxxed dropping like flies, I would say to Irving, "You were smart, bro, I should not have gotten vaccinated either."
Then you learn the vaccine is for emergency use, and "Coach Nash noted that "predominantly" all of the players who had tested positive had been asymptomatic."
So now you have to ask what was the emergency? If the excuse is used that the vaccine prevented more serious illness, the athletes can now look at Aaron Rogers, say he looks pretty good, and ask how many unvaccinated athletes who got Covid wound up like him? And the answer is almost all of them.
Then you look at the soccer players with heart problems and the vaccine is known to cause problems. And these scientists will say there is no proven link that their heart problems are due to the vaccine, but they cannot say there is no link either. When will the scientists know for sure? In a few years maybe.
The only reason that the vaccine companies are for vaccinating pro athletes is they have immunity from lawsuits. Heck, the vaccine companies will not even vaccinate refugees, refugees!, without an immunity deal: [URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/refugees-lack-covid-shots-because-drugmakers-fear-lawsuits-documents-2021-12-16/[/URL].
So which is it now that is so important, vaccinating the world against Covid or vaccine company profits? It is pretty obvious it is the latter.
So you can sue a doctor who prescribes you ivermectin but not one who gives you a vaccine? Does that not tell you which treatment is safer?
I repeat, we should all be antivaxxers now.
Holy shit. Still talking about vaccines? Just drop it for fuck sakes.
[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2639978]
So correct me if I am wrong, according to this article, the center right party is in control in Austria and forcing the lockdowns and the new far right political party is anti-lockdown?[/QUOTE]That seems correct Ram.
[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2639971] trust me referring to Democrats as right-wing is really strange for an American to hear.[/QUOTE]I understand it Ram. But anyone who has knowledge of politics outside of the USA, would agree that the o oh ifnly thing left about the Dem Party is that it is to the left of the Rep party. But that does not make it left. Thats like claiming a dwarf is tall bcos he is stood next to another and smaller dwarf. Hehe.
None of the Dem policies would pass as left wing in any orher country. The parties are 2 sides of the same coin.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2640063]I understand it Ram. But anyone who has knowledge of politics outside of the USA, would agree that the o oh ifnly thing left about the Dem Party is that it is to the left of the Rep party. But that does not make it left. Thats like claiming a dwarf is tall bcos he is stood next to another and smaller dwarf. Hehe.
None of the Dem policies would pass as left wing in any orher country. The parties are 2 sides of the same coin.[/QUOTE]I got you. In my opinion, just goes to show you how extreme Democrats have gotten in USA. Thanks for explaining a bit about European politics, I like the multi-party systems of some of the European nations, maybe that's what the USA needs.
[QUOTE=BlackThought;2640022]Holy shit. Still talking about vaccines? Just drop it for fuck sakes.[/QUOTE]Well this is the stupid shit forum, what do you expect haha? It is quite repetitive, although I have learned a bit about different views. Would def be cooler to learn some new mongering spots in Medellin besides the obvious joints haha.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2639965]Again, a few points.
You said you don't want to be a dick, but at the same time you chose to be a dick. If you don't want to be a dick, don't be a dick. Respond in a civil manner.
If you are stating an opinion, clearly identify it as an opinion. When you say "policies are not based on real science" that's an objective declaration, rather than a subjective opinion.
How do you know what qualifications the next guy has? I know of at least 3 people who post here who are highly qualified and their qualified posts are in opposition to your unqualified opinions.
My intention is not to reach the largest audience. That should be obvious since my posts are here, in a subgroup which most members of ISG don't read. My intention is to address false and misleading information, made by people who are merely repeating what their favorite talking head blabbed about. Ultimately, my intention is to identify people who are able to develop and support an intelligent and informed opinion.
Some very basic information for you:
It's not ion exposure, you get that every time you take a breath or drink a glass of water. It's exposure to ionizing radiation, something which is highly regulated because of the health risks involved.[/QUOTE]My bad JJbee, I'm just bullshiting around in the forum, if I am being a dick please don't take it too personal. I would hope everyone here is wise enough not to take what anyone here posts as someone who is a qualified professional in whatever they post without a legit source. I don't know why anybody is going to assume whatever I write is fact and anything but my humble opinion. I can assure you, I am the furthest thing from any type of scientific professional in the areas of vaccines, government, or politics. If it is ok with you, I still feel like I have the right to express my opinion and I encourage everyone else to do the same. Thanks for explaining the ion stuff, but I can't muster the energy to take any that serious, kudos to you for being so well educated though.
And I always have respect for intelligent debate, no hate from me on that.
All that being said, do you feel these new lockdowns are necessary and based on purely on science?
[QUOTE=JustTK;2640063]I understand it Ram. But anyone who has knowledge of politics outside of the USA, would agree that the o oh ifnly thing left about the Dem Party is that it is to the left of the Rep party. But that does not make it left. Thats like claiming a dwarf is tall bcos he is stood next to another and smaller dwarf. Hehe.
None of the Dem policies would pass as left wing in any orher country. The parties are 2 sides of the same coin.[/QUOTE]Oh fuck. I was going to stay out of here and I try really really hard not to talk about politics with Americans but yes. Barack Obama (a democrat) was about three step right of our Prime Minister at the outset, Stephen Harper (A Conservative) - you folks are far and away the most conservative (you can insert the adjectives you want here) of any of the western democracies. HEY - WTF. How is this getting discussed in a forum about Colombian hookers!
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2640017]Sorry to quote myself, but this story is now even more funny now, and the media reaction is precious to it as well.
First off, Kyrie Irving, who refused to be vaccinated, was not allowed to play for his NBA team, the Brooklyn Nets. The media lined up and just blasted this guy saying he should get the vaccine, he didn't care enough, was not a team player, and all the usual antivaxx shaming rhetoric.
But it turns out the fully vaccinated Nets have a problem. Nearly half their team, 7 of 15, the part of the team that was vaccinated, is in Covid protocols now [URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/brooklyn-nets-covid-19-protocols-list-grows-players/story?id=81755847[/URL].
Then I watch this video on ESPN and Mike Wilbon, whom I like, asks the question, How will Irving be received in the locker room? [URL]http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=32891275[/URL].
I was just shaking my head, such a media reaction. People make decisions based on what is going around them. If half my teammates got vaccinated and tested + for Covid and I saw soccer players who were vaxxed dropping like flies, I would say to Irving, "You were smart, bro, I should not have gotten vaccinated either."
Then you learn the vaccine is for emergency use, and "Coach Nash noted that "predominantly" all of the players who had tested positive had been asymptomatic.".[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/microchip-covid-passport-sweden/2021/12/18/id/1049202/[/URL]
[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2639971]I was surprised to learn this about Austria, I do not follow politics in Europe.
So in the USA, there is really no such thing as a right wing Democrat. If you said that to anyone in the USA, they would look at you like you have two heads. In the USA, if you say left wing, it is almost interchangeable with Democrat, or liberal at this point. Right wing is associated with Republicans and conservatives in the USA. And again, if you say left wing Republican, its not something you will ever hear in American politics. The left aka, the Democrats in the USA are advocating the Authoritarian policies we have been discussing. This is what has become of the left in the USA. If you ask the vast majority of Democratic voters in the USA, are you right or left on the political spectrum, they will say left and they will also advocate for mot of the time for vaccine mandates, contact tracing, lockdowns, socialism "maybe", and other authoritarian policies. JusTK, I find it really strange I have to explain that to anyone who follows American politics, but you are from another country so you get a pass, but trust me referring to Democrats as right-wing is really strange for an American to hear.[/QUOTE]Let me play interpreter for a moment.
In this case JustTK is correct. There is very little difference between Republican and Democrat. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess this is another area where you have no qualifications. Most people don't. Instead, they repeat what they are told. In reality, the difference is minor.
A quick study of US history will show you that the differences are negligible.
Imagine an interstate highway. There are 3 lanes in each direction. The US government drives down the middle lane. When the Democrats are in power, they usually pass in the left lane. When Republicans have the wheel they prefer the right lane. The direction of travel doesn't change.
There have been a few potholes. Republicans backed abolition, Democrats opposed it. Democrats backed the Civil Rights Act, Republicans opposed it. It wasn't until Reagan came along that it became an us against them issue. The polarization has intensified, but the differences are minor.
The GOP aren't the Saints and the Democrats aren't the devils. They are just 2 groups fighting for power. Neither of them give a crap about you or I. Neither one gives a damn about the country, the Constitution or anything other than being the group that gets to sit in the driver's seat.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2640063]I understand it Ram. But anyone who has knowledge of politics outside of the USA, would agree that the o oh ifnly thing left about the Dem Party is that it is to the left of the Rep party. But that does not make it left. Thats like claiming a dwarf is tall bcos he is stood next to another and smaller dwarf. Hehe.
None of the Dem policies would pass as left wing in any orher country. The parties are 2 sides of the same coin.[/QUOTE]Imagine that. Common ground.
About 20 years ago my brother in law, a staunch Republican was on a rant that Democrats were trying to destroy the country. I asked him a simple question. Would you rather die from being poisoned, or from being stabbed? That's the difference between Democrat and Republican. Either way you're going to die. Either way you're going to suffer.
[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2640066]I got you. In my opinion, just goes to show you how extreme Democrats have gotten in USA. Thanks for explaining a bit about European politics, I like the multi-party systems of some of the European nations, maybe that's what the USA needs.[/QUOTE]Cool Ram. Nice to have a civil exchange with someone here. Yes, I think a 3rd party is what is needed in the USA. Or one of the big 2 needs to be taken over. But that is not gaonna happen unless a super rich billionnaire grows some morality and re-positions it. But that is not likely due to the nature of being a billionaaire. I think the only way forward is a civil war, so get your guns ready and happy shooting!
And yes, this IS the stupid shlt section, so please no complaints about the subject matter here.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2640118]Let me play interpreter for a moment.
In this case JustTK is correct. There is very little difference between Republican and Democrat. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess this is another area where you have no qualifications. Most people don't. Instead, they repeat what they are told. In reality, the difference is minor.
A quick study of US history will show you that the differences are negligible.
Imagine an interstate highway. There are 3 lanes in each direction. The US government drives down the middle lane. When the Democrats are in power, they usually pass in the left lane. When Republicans have the wheel they prefer the right lane. The direction of travel doesn't change.
There have been a few potholes. Republicans backed abolition, Democrats opposed it. Democrats backed the Civil Rights Act, Republicans opposed it...[/QUOTE]The history of the Republican and Democratic parties have no bearing on modern American politics. How can any logical educated human being state, "the differences between Republicans and Democrats are minor."
You have forced my hand good sir. I have to be a dick because you posted total non-sense and you did it with a smug attitude. What you have posted is blasphemy. I want to try to give you a pass because your not American and you don't live here so you don't see everyday how divided the nation has become, but certainly you watch the news and you see things like the constant race riots where they literally burn cities down. You must have seen the January 6. Insurrection where thousands of far right wing extremists took over my nation's capital and tried to stop my President from taking office. The policies the Democrats are pushing are beyond extreme to most Republicans. Free Health Care, 7 Trillion $ Federal budget, Green New Deal, Support for slave reparations, No more Oil pipe lines after they have been approved between nations and workers have been hired to start construction, Completely open southern border, Support for immigrant voting rights, No right to defend yourself or your property, Socialism! Socialism! Globalism!! End of nationalism. The list goes on! What the fuck bro? There is absolutely no similarities between the policies of the Republicans and Democrats. They have never been more divided and taken such different stances regarding the issues I just listed. You try to come off like some smug clever guy, but your content just doesn't make sense. And I am definitely not going on some highway rant analogy to prove my point LOL. Recent polls show close to 50% of Americans would not be surprised if a civil war broke out. This is because of the fundamental social and economic policies each party are advocating are so vastly different. I mean if you are comparing Republicans and Democrats to the Soviet Union, ok, yeah then maybe they are kind of similar, but that's like stating the "sky is blue". Are you that out of touch with reality that you think people are so uneducated they don't know the differences between American political systems and that of a failed communist state? I can't grasp this concept that someone actually posted that and claims to follow American politics and tries to come off like an Oxford Scholar in his approach in how he preaches down to people he feels are not qualified.
Oh I forgot, Disclaimer: The above post is the total humble opinion of the very unqualified RamDavidson84. RamDavidson84 cannot be held accountable for the stupidity in the replies to the post above. LOL.
LOL, I didn't want to be a dick again, but you gave me no choice. I get what you guys are arguing, please don't take my post to heart and feel free to roast me as much as you like for anything in my post you disagree agree with.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2640118]Let me play interpreter for a moment.
In this case JustTK is correct. There is very little difference between Republican and Democrat. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess this is another area where you have no qualifications. Most people don't. Instead, they repeat what they are told. In reality, the difference is minor.
A quick study of US history will show you that the differences are negligible.
Imagine an interstate highway. There are 3 lanes in each direction. The US government drives down the middle lane. When the Democrats are in power, they usually pass in the left lane. When Republicans have the wheel they prefer the right lane. The direction of travel doesn't change.
There have been a few potholes. Republicans backed abolition, Democrats opposed it. Democrats backed the Civil Rights Act, Republicans opposed it. It wasn't until Reagan came along that it became an us against them issue. The polarization has intensified, but the differences are minor.
The GOP aren't the Saints and the Democrats aren't the devils. They are just 2 groups fighting for power. Neither of them give a crap about you or I. Neither one gives a damn about the country, the Constitution or anything other than being the group that gets to sit in the driver's seat.[/QUOTE]This may have been mostly true when the choices were between center-right and center-left, like Bush versus Gore. But the differences were huge in the New Deal Era with the Repub objections to "Socialism," as well as the isolationism of the same surrounding the two World Wars. Now the differences couldn't be any more glaring with Trumpism as the dominant angle of the Republicans. The revived "Old Right" isolationism in contrast to the Neocons has played out on the world stage in obvious ways. Conspiracy theory chasing is now the norm, and a stacked conservative SCOTUS is poised to make some big changes that effect many lives. "Elections have consequences" as they say, but if both parties are the same one might as well stay home if the two are the only viable choices. That would have been an awful idea in 2020.
The us versus them stuff definitely predates Reagan. The defining moment for Repubs was when they abandoned their historic commitment to civil rights with the nomination of Barry Goldwater for president, 1964. Since then the two have grown more and more distinct as the liberal / progressive and conservative parties, though there's often been a need to gravitate to the center to win national elections.
There's a guy in the American politics forum in the opinions section called EihTooms. He argues that Republicans through bad economic policies have presided over and / or caused all of the recessions and crashes over the last 100 years. I don't entirely agree but he's mostly right. He's also a big partisan Democrat, so if you want to sharpen your iron on this one in a big way go check him out. And unlike me, he'll argue until the cows come home. I've never seen someone so tireless. Wink.
P.S. As to all major party politicians not caring about their constituents, some surely don't, some care a lot about them, and others have very mixed motives. It's hard to get so black and white when talking about complexities like human character. And it's said that democracies, or democratic republics more specifically represent the best of all the imperfect systems of government, and that's probably true.
Happy Holidays everyone.