Dubai Reports

Guys,

Recently able to PM enable with a subscription. I have many value-for-money contacts in Kolkata (India) & Vietnam, would be happy to share. Here is my recent 6 days mongering report in Vietnam - [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1042-Ho-Chi-Minh-City-General-Info&p=2759513[/URL]#post2759513.

We, 4 friends are visiting Dubai on 29th Nov, we are looking for some Mujra dance fun, drinks together & then deed in some 2 bhk apartment hotel. I would be happy if anyone can share any such local contacts who can arrange the same. Kindly PM me.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=NirIndian;2760164]Guys,

Recently able to PM enable with a subscription. I have many value-for-money contacts in Kolkata (India) & Vietnam, would be happy to share. Here is my recent 6 days mongering report in Vietnam - [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1042-Ho-Chi-Minh-City-General-Info&p=2759513[/URL]#post2759513.

We, 4 friends are visiting Dubai on 29th Nov, we are looking for some Mujra dance fun, drinks together & then deed in some 2 bhk apartment hotel. I would be happy if anyone can share any such local contacts who can arrange the same. Kindly PM me.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]There are Indian dance bars all over the place. Astoria and Karama Hotel were popular precovid. No idea currently. Be warned that there is almost no chance of a pick up from there and they are expensive.

[QUOTE=NirIndian;2760164]Guys,

Recently able to PM enable with a subscription. I have many value-for-money contacts in Kolkata (India) & Vietnam, would be happy to share. Here is my recent 6 days mongering report in Vietnam - [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1042-Ho-Chi-Minh-City-General-Info&p=2759513[/URL]#post2759513.

We, 4 friends are visiting Dubai on 29th Nov, we are looking for some Mujra dance fun, drinks together & then deed in some 2 bhk apartment hotel. I would be happy if anyone can share any such local contacts who can arrange the same. Kindly PM me.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Dubai have Indian dance clubs from where there is hardly any chance to pickup a dancer for private party. These girls are some the smartest scamsters and it will cost you fortune. If you have obscene amount to spend, then go to a Indian dance place in Karama / Fortune hotel and talk to the managers wearing suit if they can arrange. Other option is to go to Mirchi in Ramee and talk to Pakistani girls, some of them like to party and dance for you.

[QUOTE=NirIndian;2760164]Guys,

Recently able to PM enable with a subscription. I have many value-for-money contacts in Kolkata (India) & Vietnam, would be happy to share. Here is my recent 6 days mongering report in Vietnam - [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1042-Ho-Chi-Minh-City-General-Info&p=2759513[/URL]#post2759513.

We, 4 friends are visiting Dubai on 29th Nov, we are looking for some Mujra dance fun, drinks together & then deed in some 2 bhk apartment hotel. I would be happy if anyone can share any such local contacts who can arrange the same. Kindly PM me.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Try Suha Mina for 2 bhk hotel apartments. Guest friendly. For mujra try clubs in Majestic. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Londa85;2759294]This is not just money scam. This is both physical assault and robbery by a gang of at least 3. My questions to forum are:

1. What are the risks to me if I go to police and file criminal complaint (there are a lot of details available, I even took pictures of my scratches)? I will leave Dubai in 7 days. In the what's app exchange some services were mentioned but once only otherwise it was not very clear in the thread. Mostly incall" was mentioned and rate.

2. The are the odds that this gang starts blackmailing me as they got my international what's app? Or that they file smth again me as security guard got my name into registration form? (Covering himself clearly).

3. Are there any criminal lawyers in Dubai I can talk to?

Please don't repeat my mistakes. Drinking, and looking at pretty pictures in a fake profile. Risks are real![/QUOTE]Firstly sorry to read of your experience it's not pleasant and it ought to be addressed. Secondly I too was scammed about a year ago and sought to deal with this legally. I did try and DM you but I'm not sure you have that functionality.

I will give you a brief overview of my experience with the law and the police. The fraud I was victim to is slightly different in nature to yours but hopefully my experience will give you (and others) an idea of how complaints of a "sensitive" nature are viewed there.

I too tried the anonymous methods of reporting my scammer to the police. As a tourist to the UAE (resident, UAE I. D) I found difficult to file a complaint and I ended up sending an email. This was not acknowledged and the complaint was not followed up. This despite me having:

1) details of the scammers passport.

2) WhatsApp messages describing the fraud.

3) money transfer details.

Because of the type and size of the fraud I sought legal advice and I canvassed three local firms one of which had UK lawyer's. All these firms offered and initial consultation on a pro-bono basis. This varied from 30 minutes to one hour. The striking thing was that the views were very mixed alot of the variation came from my concern around the use of WhatsApp conversations and my concerns that I might end in jail too (for as little as using swear words). This will give you an idea of the complications and the risks of using working girls in that part of the world.

1) visa status: all the lawyers were very keen to understand on what visa / basis the subject was in the UAE on. If a tourist visa the sense was it would be easier work. Anything else would be tricky.

2) tel number used by the criminal: all were very keen to also understand whether the WhatsApp messages were sent from a Dubai number of a number originating from another country. If a Dubai number then again this makes prosecution easier under the UAE's cyber laws. One lawyer told me that by merely soliciting using WhatsApp (sending pictures and quoting prices) would be enough to file a case and have the subject fined, imprisoned deported and blacklisted for life.

3) relying on WhatsApp for the police complaint: the opinions I received here were varied. Yes you can use your chat history but it will need to be translated into Arabic (all agreed on this) you would pay for this. One lawyer suggested that the police would want my phone forensically analyzed to make sure that the chat log was not altered and any information was not deleted. Again, you pay for this and the lawyer estimated that it would cost 20 k AED ($5 k) the English lawyer suggested just walking away and forgetting about it.

4) costs: your average cost of a lawyer per hour was $500 per hour with VAT. Which from a UK perspective was about similar (given the 20% VAT levied in the UK). But they will quote you a fixed fee for the task. Which will involve making the complaint and batting off anything that gets thrown back at you. Keep in mind that if the police take the case you are open to counter claim. For the criminal case estimates ranged from 8-12 hours work (not including court costs or translation).

5) Process: as there is money involved you may wish to seek repatriation of your money plus damages. To do this the lawyers agreed that you would first raise a criminal complaint, secure a conviction. If successful, the criminal is subject to a fine (this goes to the state, not you), imprisonment (likely in your case) of which they are charged see. $30 per day, deportation and a permanent ban from the UAE. Secondly, after conviction is secured you would raise a civil case for the amount you lost plus damages, plus your costs. This process attracts another, fixed fee. If successful the criminal stays in prison for up to two years (charged at the daily rate) until the money is paid back to you.

Also worth noting that:

1) if the Tel number is a Dubai number and is registered to the user, the number can be traced to a person. If the number has been sold into someone that uses the number for any reason then the original registered user has committed a crime. The Tel numbers are registered to a passport or a UAE I. The.

2) if passport details are acquired (by you or the police) it makes the investigation a lot easier (obviously). Those passport scan machines you see in hotels are all apparently linked to a police database and the data is stored. Anybody that has been to a hotel and had their passports scanned have their details on a police database.

3) once a criminal or civil case has been filed and the subject is identified there is a block on travel and the subject can be detained at the airport until the matter is resolved. In a criminal case I believe that now extends to borders in all GCC countries.

To summarise, as a foreign national and given the nature of the fraud I was involved in I thought it better to make my complaint via a lawyer. Sadly, the process took a while to put in place the the person that defrauded me left the country before the complaint was established (missed by three weeks) but it's there if she returns. I made my complaint out of principle. The money I would expect to be returned would be equal to the amount I would expect to receive (I assume some losses through the court system). I am not sure I would bother with the civil leg of the complaint.

So, it's down to you. But remember, lawyer's aren't charity. They want paying and they are not cheap. If this had been a fraud committed in the UK I simply would have gone to the police station and filed a complaint.

Your case was aggravated so it will be taken more seriously.

All I would say to everyone is be careful of whom you meet in places like (exactly) CZAR bar and what you are told and be careful of what you write in WhatsApp chats. You might be having to show those chats to lawyers and police in future. Also, avoid being drawn into telegram chats, the entire conversations can be 'nuked'/ deleted for everyone.

I hope this helps.

This was one of the best reports I have seen on a long time. If you are Ok I will try to make into Reports of Distinction.

Many people have suffered for not understanding how things work here.

[QUOTE=MrTouristic;2760394]Firstly sorry to read of your experience it's not pleasant and it ought to be addressed. Secondly I too was scammed about a year ago and sought to deal with this legally. I did try and DM you but I'm not sure you have that functionality.

I will give you a brief overview of my experience with the law and the police. The fraud I was victim to is slightly different in nature to yours but hopefully my experience will give you (and others) an idea of how complaints of a "sensitive" nature are viewed there.
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Your case was aggravated so it will be taken more seriously.

All I would say to everyone is be careful of whom you meet in places like (exactly) CZAR bar and what you are told and be careful of what you write in WhatsApp chats. You might be having to show those chats to lawyers and police in future. Also, avoid being drawn into telegram chats, the entire conversations can be 'nuked'/ deleted for everyone.

I hope this helps.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Venom5566;2760307]Try Suha Mina for 2 bhk hotel apartments. Guest friendly. For mujra try clubs in Majestic. Good luck.[/QUOTE]Thanks brother for your suggestion, hope Suha Mina will remain guest friendly while we will visit by this month end!

[QUOTE=Cons68;2760480]This was one of the best reports I have seen on a long time. If you are Ok I will try to make into Reports of Distinction.

Many people have suffered for not understanding how things work here.[/QUOTE]Thanks,

Sure, no problem and apologies for the typos and the grammar. It was quite late at night.

[QUOTE=MrTouristic;2760394]Firstly sorry to read of your experience it's not pleasant and it ought to be addressed. Secondly I too was scammed about a year ago and sought to deal with this legally. I did try and DM you but I'm not sure you have that functionality.
[/QUOTE]It would be nice if you could share a little detail about the scam you faced.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2760604]It would be nice if you could share a little detail about the scam you faced.[/QUOTE]The scan is long and complex but I will give you a basic synopsis (,we will assume she doesn't read this forum).

1) got talking to a cam girl over the course of a fe months.

2) camgirl would announce to me that she had a modelling Jon in the UAE and would be quitting (yes alarm bells did ring).

3) camgirl arrives in the UAE and moans about the cost of things. We talk daily.

4) three days in camgirl describes being sex trafficked and forced to have sex with 5-5 men a day who sodomised and physically abused her. She and her travel companion.

5) I ask how much her "debt" is. She asks for see. $2 k.

6) I wrestle with the fact is a) Could be a scam b) Could be legit (I googled what she described and found it was quite common). I transferred the money to her.

7) she is "released". I pay for her to stay at a hotel for the next few weeks.

8) I travel to the UAE with a work colleague to see if a) She existed b) She was telling the truth.

9) she leaves the UAE and describes a terrible home life, a desperate situation (illness, family illness, tragedy). I continue to send money.

10) months pass I get suspicious I hire a private investigator I discover it was all bullshit. I talk to her travel companion who tells me she's a bad girl and (yes) it's all bullshit.

I open a case in the UAE, her home country.

I uncovered the deception in Jan 2022. She would travel to Dubai that same month. She would operate out of CZAR bar and was managed by that middle aged blind woman in there. She finished working there April 2022 and returned June 2022 - leaving August 2022.

During the investigation she was receiving AED post her return to her home country. So perhaps she spun another mug along? Who know?!

Now, yes a was stupid but I did weigh this all up, and I settled on of it was true and decided paying the money as it does happen there, (particularly with girls from this region) and it seemed moral. I could not believe someone would tell a lie like that. But there you are. Be in no doubt it is fraud and it is criminal.

If this had happened I (sextrafficking) in most other countries of course you would contact the police but perhaps not in the UAE?

When I read some of the posts on here and see what WGs offer as back stories I now take a rather syndical view.

[QUOTE=Cons68;2760480]This was one of the best reports I have seen on a long time. If you are Ok I will try to make into Reports of Distinction.

Many people have suffered for not understanding how things work here.[/QUOTE]Living here for over 3 decades the legal and court system is something I've never been involved in and avoided so far. The ops report I agree is one of the best and undoubtedly useful for just about any crime reporting and action for residents. I'the like to add that a local emirati confided in me how he has lost faith in the judicial system having gone through a hard time while building his house and cheated by the contractor and unfavourable judgements passed.

Cons68, I posted this under ROD as well but the mods haven't put it through before your report went through. It deserves to be marked for ROD. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Londa85;2759294]
This is not just money scam. This is both physical assault and robbery by a gang of at least 3. My questions to forum are:
[/QUOTE]Very sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, mongering involves a level of risk when it comes to incalls or even outcalls. It just sucks when the risk ends up being a scam or robbery.

One can say "I will never do incalls" but the fact is that many providers only have incalls so there's always some risk.

Very sorry to hear this happened.

[QUOTE=Anon Mous;2759631]Went there on a weekday. The entry is 200 AED with 2 drinks included. The place was filled with Russians / EEs of all shapes and sizes. Most of the girls were disinterested chimneys, self-absorbed and happy chatting amongst themselves. No intiative on their part, no eye contact or smiles in the direction of the clientele, which for me was a vibe killer. You'll have to put in legwork i.e. make rounds and introductions at each table to scope and sift through the talent. [/QUOTE]

Ironically enough, Ill take the boring, uninterested, chatty meat markets over the aggressive stalkers and harassers at places like York hotel. You take one step in there and theres Africans hounding you. And they dont take no for any answer.

But agreed, as you said, its all about working the room and making the rounds.

The following is an anonymous poster on a well respected social media group. We al know what really happened. We need to be so careful out there especially if you have familys. This guy is in big shit. Makes me consider my actions. Here is it.

Sorry if this post is a nonsense, in a bit of a state. My husband has just come home from a 'business meeting'. He works for a very well known company and was supposedly meeting new business contacts off LinkedIn. When he got to the arranged meeting place, which was in a very nice building in JVC, he was kidnapped by 5 African people, 3 females (whaaat) and 2 males. I can barely believe I am writing this. Apologies the details are sketchy, as he's not making too much sense right now. They demanded his bank details (he has 2 different banks), slapping and punching him for giving incorrect pin details. He wouldn't give them the pin so they then took his phone and used his face as Face ID on the banking app. We are now trying to stop the cards (several debit and credit cards) and about to go to the police station to report this. They held him hostage for over 4 hours and of course, took all of his cash money. So far we know that they have transfered 100,000 aed to a Dubai bank account, which the bank is trying to recall, and then made transactions to various other places like Ding which I think is a mobile top up. We know the name of the bank it has been transferred to and the account holders name. If anyone has any advice on anything else we should be doing it would really be appreciated.

Just to add a few more updated details, this happened at 2 pm and was in a mixed use building (offices and apartments). He therefore thought he was attending an office. He has contacted LinkedIn but at the moment they are quoting privacy laws. However we are hopeful of finding a way around this.

Thank you once again for all your support and kind words!

[QUOTE=MrTouristic;2760627]

1) got talking to a cam girl over the course of a fe months.

2) camgirl would announce to me that she had a modelling Jon in the UAE and would be quitting (yes alarm bells did ring).

3) camgirl arrives in the UAE and moans about the cost of things. We talk daily.

4) three days in camgirl describes being sex trafficked and forced to have sex with 5-5 men a day who sodomised and physically abused her. She and her travel companion.

5) I ask how much her "debt" is. She asks for see. $2 k.

6) I wrestle with the fact is a) Could be a scam b) Could be legit (I googled what she described and found it was quite common). I transferred the money to her.

7) she is "released". I pay for her to stay at a hotel for the next few weeks.

8) I travel to the UAE with a work colleague to see if a) She existed b) She was telling the truth.

9) she leaves the UAE and describes a terrible home life, a desperate situation (illness, family illness, tragedy). I continue to send money.[/QUOTE]I hope this post does not come across as rude and apologies if it does. You never met her physically and just had the cam chats and decided to send her money, repeatedly? Either this is a joke or you are the most nave person in the world. Dubai (like a slew of other places all over the world) is scam central, everyone is after your money. You got scammed and made a fool out of, like a sucker. And you're opening up a case for that? It's not like she robbed money from you, like one of those African gang stories.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2760767]I hope this post does not come across as rude and apologies if it does. You never met her physically and just had the cam chats and decided to send her money, repeatedly? Either this is a joke or you are the most nave person in the world. Dubai (like a slew of other places all over the world) is scam central, everyone is after your money. You got scammed and made a fool out of, like a sucker. And you're opening up a case for that? It's not like she robbed money from you, like one of those African gang stories.[/QUOTE]I'm not offended.

Yes, I did open a case. The laws she broke were UAE laws. Indeed what she did was illegal in lots of other jurisdictions. The lies she told were wicked and disgusting in nature. You read of genuine stories of the misery she described (particularly in relation to women of her home country alot. Perhaps why she decided on this particular story). I did genuinely feel concerned at the time.

Of course, yes I did eventually meet her. And I was convinced of further hard luck stories when she eventually left the UAE. Again, stories that are not uncommon in this person's home country and they too were miserable.

Yes, I was naive at the time.

And worth remembering here that this is only one part of the story. I could write a novel on it.

Also worth remembering that while I was naive I wasn't the only person that seems to have been conned. This sort of scheme appears to have been her bread and butter.

She was naive in giving up her personal details. Indeed, I believed that because I had sight of her passport that this was a genuine plea for help.