Moscow

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank] There are hos in almost every disco but just harder to recongnize, because a lot of Russian girls dress like hos, bless their souls.
[/QUOTE]I suppose - but that could be a whole new form of mongering. We could get a few guys together, go down to the local disco and play "Ho" / "Not a Ho". Cripes, I could see that as a game show on TV in Russia.

[QUOTE=Roger Mellie]
why listening to ... you ASH is a bit like having to listen to a 7 year old boy want to play "who's got the biggest dick".[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ash1001]
BTW, my own portfolio made 52% between 01 Jan and 31 Dec 08. Bet you'd like to know how.[/QUOTE]
hahahaha .... I rest my case ...

[QUOTE=Ash1001]
I'd be curious to read one of these commentaries.[/QUOTE]
I would be curious to see you post some pictures of women in Moscow. Do you ever add value and post pictures, or just shoot your mouth off? Please, for all our sakes, add some value. Tell us about some cool place in Moscow you have been that no-one else on the forum has been ... or post some pics of a girl that you have poked and no-one else on the forum has poked .... something ... anything.

You have 300 odd posts ... let me know if ANY of them have any fotos or describe somewhere new that you have been before anyone else ... something new that you have discovered. Cause thats what we are here for ... right? Pictures and info ... thats where the value is my friend.

I have never seen anyone jabber on like an teenage schoolgirl so much, and add so little value.

[QUOTE=Roger Mellie] .. hahahaha .... I rest my case ... Actually I was probably being generous to say 7 .. [/QUOTE]

A rather well developed 7 year old, wouldn't you say, as later on you liken me to a teenage girl? And obviously you find the idea of actually *making* money hilarious. Scribblers (sorry 'commentators') can only wax lyrical about markets, economies, whatever.. don't worry, there'll always be tons of work for you out there.

[QUOTE=Roger Mellie]
I would be curious to see you post some pictures of women in Moscow. Do you ever add value and post pictures, or just shoot your mouth off? Please, for all our sakes, add some value. Tell us about some place you have been that no-one else on the forum has been ... or post some pics of a girl that you have poked and no-one else on the forum has poked .... something ... anything.

You have 300 odd posts ... let me know if ANY of them have any fotos or describe somewhere new that you have been before anyone else ... something new that you have discovered. Cause thats what we are here for ... right?
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Okay, that's a fair point. But I'm certainly not in the minority by not posting pictures for other members' masturbatory pleasure. Only a small number of you actually do so with any regularity, and if that's your thing, fine.

I've only ever made one trip to Moscow and posted quite a detailed report about it. I'll give you the pleasure of searching for it. I spend far more time in Kiev and post reports (which may or may not be useful in your opinion) as required.

You are seriously barking up the wrong tree if you think this forum is for posting endless lists of prices, photos, locations and scores out of 10. A fundamental component of mongering/freebie chasing is the political and economic milieu of the nation concerned. Take a look at the majority of posts on this site - most people want to know what's really going on, not whether my $250 girl had bigger tits than your $300 one. A bit of repartee is going to be a feature of any site like this - get used to it.

PS I know this is from 2007 but I think it's a great example of report writing:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=770&page=107&pp=15[/url]

So let me get this right .. you debug software in London and you have been to Moscow ... once???

And yet you purport to be a font of knowledge on the Russian economy. I love it.

You have posted 1 report on Moscow (2 years ago), and zero pictures. Your only report consisted of trips to Night Flight, CF, and Parizhskaya Zhizn ... basically regurgitated information. There's nothing new in there that hasnt been posted by 100 other guys, is there Ash? I have read that same trip report 100 times by 100 different mongers over the years. So where's the real value? Where's the real contribution to the board?

And to top it all off, you have the gall to try and tell me what posting on the board is really all about ??? As if you are some sort of benchmark?? Thanks for the tips friendo, but I have been on this board a lot longer than you have, so I am pretty familiar with the format, and pretty familiar with who and what adds value.

(1) expats like Pizdets - the expats on the ground in Moscow inherently offer value for their thoughts.
(2) freebie players like Skank - guys who have been to Moscow a load of times and banged a lot of freebies
(3) p4p players like Bez - guys who have been truckloads of times and banged a truckload of p4p dyevs
(4) locals - people like HelenaMoscow ... agree with her or not, I want to know what she is thinking about some things.
(5) OBRs - overseas born russians, for their ability to understand the Russian mind and juxtapose it with the western.
(6) explorers - even if its a first timer - anyone who goes somewhere new or discovers something new
(7) photo posters - We all like seeing pics of dyevs.

You dont have to agree with the opinions of those types above, but they all add value to the forum. I dont always agree with what they say, but I respect their opinions. They have earned that respect by adding value. For my money, its always worth hearing what they have to say. You dont fit into any of the above groups. You dont add value.

And if you dont add value, the very least you should do is learn a little humility.

Dont talk the talk unless you walk the walk. I have nothing against opinionated people - as long as they actually know what they are talking about and walk the walk. You are an self proclaimed expert on everything with absolutely nothing to back it up. A total waste of a login.

I cant believe it ... been to Moscow once. All that lip, attitude and opinion, and you have been to Moscow just once ... I shake my head.

[QUOTE=Jake993]I suppose - but that could be a whole new form of mongering. We could get a few guys together, go down to the local disco and play "Ho" / "Not a Ho". Cripes, I could see that as a game show on TV in Russia.[/QUOTE]

You just described my typical Saturday night. :)

Seriously, as a couple of you have already said, WGs are everywhere - clubs, bars, restaurants, even cafes. And with years of living here, I can differentiate a WG from a regular girl 99% of the time in about a second. That does not mean that I can transfer that skill to visiting colleagues, not to mention instill them with the confidence to approach. It took me 15 minutes to convince my friend that the object of his attraction at HD was actually working and that the kalyanchik was NOT, in fact, "with her".

Furthermore, the density of WGs in standard clubs is relatively low. You go to a demokratichny club, even on a Friday night, and I'm guessing the WG density is typically under 10%. Semipro density probably higher, but I read that Russian geneticists have recently determined from DNA analysis that semipros are actually a subspecies of the "regular girl", as opposed to WGs who are a distinctly separate species. And on a schoolnight... well, it's hard to find anything to fuck - WG or not. Which is why such places as NF/HD, despite their numerous flaws, continue to exist. They are The Sure Thing (TM). With few exceptions, any ne russky gororyashy nitwit can chat up and then fuck a reasonably attractive dyev any night of the week, assuming his wallet is sufficiently stuffed.

[QUOTE=Jake993]I suppose. But that could be a whole new form of mongering. We could get a few guys together, go down to the local disco and play "Ho" / "Not a Ho". Cripes, I could see that as a game show on TV in Russia.[/QUOTE]So, Chatting to a friend on ICQ while reading this post, I asked him, . What did he think. He's drawing up a synapsis for his boss, producer at 2x2, . Question is. How many foreigners will volunteer to be in the episodes, because he's convinced it would only work if we could get at least 1 Inostranetz per episode, thats 24 westerners minimum.

Any Takers?

I'm actually curious about other places to take visiting travellers, So I'd be in for a nightclub run. A friend of mine from Maine and myself, took a month to scope out places, 3 clubs a night, 3 nights a week, we got to see some dives and some party holes, some places that looked positively seedy enough for WG's but nothing concrete. Would be more than willing to do another run, around April/May when it starts to get warm, and the dyevs are thawing out with a few drinks.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]The pickup bar is still the ultimate form of mongering, I'm surprised there aren't more in existence.
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Costs are high, since they must pay off militsia to stay in business. Though I have no proof, I suspect there are other barriers to entry as well. Namely thick necked guys who work exclusively in cash, have no last names and wouldn't hesitate for a second to squeeze two slugs of lead into the base of your skull as you were coding into your podyezd.

[QUOTE]
One place I heard about is Solaris in the Cosmos hotel. Anybody try it?[/QUOTE]

It's a low-end strip joint - no more. If there's talent to be found in Kosmos, it's in the lobby. But to partake, you need to actually stay... at Kosmos. And unless you're a misguided romantic, waxing nostalgic about Soviet times of yore after watching "Moscow does not Believe in Tears" twenty seven times, trust me... you will [b]not[/b] want to stay at Kosmos.

[QUOTE=Roger Mellie]So let me get this right. You debug software in London and you have been to Moscow. Once?

And yet you purport to be a font of knowledge on the Russian economy. I love it. I can't believe it. Been to Moscow once. All that lip, attitude and opinion, and you have been to Moscow just once. I shake my head.[/QUOTE]Come on 'girls'. Lets ALL get along!

Regarding the costs the girls face, a girl I picked up at Magrib in Piter told me she pays 1000 rubles to someone (the bar? Militsia?) plus also she has to pay the regular entry fee of 3-500 rubles to Magrib.

[QUOTE=Roger Mellie](6) explorers - even if its a first timer - anyone who goes somewhere new or discovers something new
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Spot on. I'm probably the first ISG member to have used and/or written in detail about Raphael's services at Dream Moscow Nights. That's definitely contributing something new.

Perhaps you could have read the report a little more carefully. And btw being a sexpat in Moscow doesn't make YOU an expert on the Russian economy - in actual fact it just reveals your inherent bias.

And you still seem more interested in my debugging (which was a joke) than how to make serious returns from the markets (which isn't). But, yes, I think it's time we both returned to what this forum is really for - whatever your interpretation of that may be.

[QUOTE=Laoshu2]PM me for a gym which u can use for a daily fee.

About 15 min to walk from pushkin square.[/QUOTE]Lao Buddy - your mailbox is full or you are not receiving PM's. Would still like to get the info
on the gym that allows daily pay.
Thanks
Jake

[QUOTE=Jake993]Lao Buddy - your mailbox is full or you are not receiving PM's. Would still like to get the info on the gym that allows daily pay.

Thanks,

Jake[/QUOTE]I dont get the messages.

I guess need to sign up.

Sorry.

I will try to do asap.

Each one of us has our own reasons for joining the military. Blackwater, now I am just being greedy $$$. I am glad I joined the service. I manage to travel all over the globe but never had to deal with the language barrier till now. Like any well planed individual it is better to be well prepared than getting lost in an unknown country and get taken advantage off.

The language barrier is a pain not like Brazil, Thailand, Prague, Germany, or Amsterdam where you know the Red light district. Asking a taxi to take you the best brothel was like pulling teeth maybe is my age I look to dam young loll. Sarcasm I am used too but thanks for the information I have a driver picking me up, apartment set up and tickets to travel to Yaroslavl. With all the information I see you guys posting, beaver will be found. I just hope the girls love pictures so I can post them for you horny guys and including me to see loll.

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Sir, yessir! I just knew you was a crew cut grunt!
Hoo RAH!!

Thank god for every day in the corps.

And thank you for protecting my sorry ass, and my freedom, to pick my feet and chew redman. This country's full of wankers and profilers, and you sir, are something we all can be proud of. We salute you!

GET SOME, MARINE!!

But don't frag my cherry ass, I'm just another FNG in the DMZ, looking for VC in a hot LZ. What's troubling you is the nature of my game.

And in all fairness, I have not more experience than you do, only active imagination and too many agent orange flashbacks and bad blotter trips.

Semper fi.[/QUOTE]

i was sipping gin tonics in the sky bar (park hyatt ararat) which is still one of my favorite places to sip gin tonics, although the costs are prohibitive to sipping more than one or two.

anyway, i was pleasantly surprised to see a veritable onslaught of very high-end birds come in while i sat with regrettably male colleagues. the girls looked like pros as they were either alone or in groups of two and sitting at tables in prominent "inviting" areas.

these girls were really hot... all of them about 175cm, 52kg max, pencil-thin legs, expensive salon hair, clingy cocktail dresses, immaculate makeup. either there was a mary kay convention in the hotel or these girls were on the take. there were about 6 total, rep001tered around at various couches and tables. one of them was even a '10', that lofty number i give maybe twice a year.

anybody ever picked up a girl there? i'm sure you'd have to be an oligarch to pay the prices, but some of you guys are oligarchs, right?

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
Anybody ever picked up a girl there? I'm sure you'd have to be an oligarch to pay the prices, but some of you guys are oligarchs, right?[/QUOTE]

They've been around as long as the Ararat has been (~6 years).

My info is a little dated (almost a year old), but a (good looking) colleague was able to negotiate a true hottie down to $400 for 4 hours (3-7am). I'd guess you'd be able to get one for $200/hour at prime-time, less off-peak. I'm not very experienced in hotel girls, as they usually like to focus on ST and are loathe to leave the hotel.