Pattaya Reports

Day 12 - Friday.

After Jen left I realized she had not picked up her ID. I Lined her and she asked if I could pick it up and bring it to her. I didn't know if the hotel would let me, but since I had her request on Line they let me take it. I got it too her mid-afternoon and I stayed a while with her, buying her 2 LDs.

Online, there has been discussion about the high priced WS girls, which some hitting on me about spending so much on a woman I failed to properly vet. All criticism was well intended and I am appreciative of it. I presented it all here to help you less inexperienced dudes learn from my mistakes and unreasoned thinking. I get messages from some who think I am some sort of guru here, but I am just an occasional tourist here writes what down was happens. I guess I am lucky enough to have sufficient funds to see lots of women to have experiences with – both productive and unproductive – and boring enough to sit here in my hotel several hours each day documenting everything.

But with the vast majority of my free time spent writing, why am I three days behind now? So on Sunday morning I am only now starting to writing about Friday's activities, and there is so much to write about and I am leaving in just 4 more days!

Let's get started. I headed to Soi 6 mid-afternoon and started with Mickie at Bandit's. I had played 4 Connect with Mickie before, when I bar fined Min. Mickie had then joked about us and Min having a three way. I decided to go over and, if both girls where there, to have that 3-day, but Min was gone so, I decided to try Mickie alone first. She was kind of cute in the face but her spinner body was near stunning in her form fitting short dress. Face 7 but body a solid 9. Her English was poor, and I really wasn't expecting to have a great time with her for some reason. But for $30 I had to have that body! Upstairs when she left to get the towels, I placed one of Monkey's fake bugs on the bed. When she saw it she screamed and almost entered a panic mode. I went to touch the bug to show it was fake and she threw her towel at me. I picked the bug up and she screamed again and ran out of the room and part way down the stairs! But in her rush the poor girls partially twisted her knee joint! I felt so bad and apologized profusely. She was not amused at me for a while there, but we rubbed the knee and it ended up ok. In the future, wait until they have removed those spiked-heel shoes they wear before getting the fake bugs out!

I don't know if it was the bug and her sore knee or not, but the session was not so great, so my initial intuition was correct. She was a bit rushed and the session was simply so so, despite the body. That kind of kills my desire to do a 3-way with them. We will see.

I got word from MP that dinner for the group will be on WS at 7:15 PM. I got there but only MP was there, and why waste time on food when there are women to bang?! We talked for a while on various topics then at 8 PM headed to Panda Bar. They had a nice selection in this small club. MP had a girl or two over and I spoke with one. I didn't catch her name but my recollection is that she was #23 (MP later told me it was 288). I liked her and said I would be back later (and I did go back but didn't see her).

We went to Palace. We saw Tong, the high priced non-performer, and MP and I had devised ways to possibly BF her again but to get closer to the experience I wanted. Now, MP has Game and can play the role of a player to perfection. Me? I just can't do it. But basically, the plan is for me to BF Tong again but for me to first get her to agree to do certain things that I want, I. E. To kiss, to touch, to shower with me, etc. If she agrees, then I will pay her what she wants. Actually, these are all reasonable things to negotiate for any bar girl, right? It is just most of these things are expected so we don't HAVE to, especially from high priced one!

Now let me interject that conventional wisdom says I should simply ignore Tong and cut my losses. But I was upset about being ripped off basically, but I still liked the girl (OK, strange.) and I am still below my budget so why not try? If it works, it will be worth it. If I fail again, well, I will still get to bang a hot woman, even if she is overpriced.

Well, I called Tong over and after 3 LDs (2 more than I planned on, plus they were shots, possibly meaning she didn't really want to be there and was wanting to get away) was not able to get any agreement from her. I am not even sure she understood what I was asking, possibly hustling me all the while. But I refused to BF her and sent her back to dance. Over, right? If a girl can make her money by simply spreading her legs, why work harder, especially if the guy is nearly 3 times older? Who of us in our 20's would want to kiss and touch a women in her 60's? Yuck!) So, it appears the game is over with Tong. She fooled me the first time, but I didn't let her fool me the second.

We next went to Baccara. Now, this is one club I had no idea how to pronounce! I finally settled on Ba CAR ah. Apparently the correct pronunciation is Bawk ah RAW. They had some nice girls.

I am sure we did some other things but we dudes eventually split up. I went back to Panda. The girl I promised to return to was gone.

I ended up at Red Car, but it was packed and I quickly left.

Outside, I eyed a cute girl and followed her to Lucifer. I lost track of her but entering the disco area there was a single lady setting at a table who smiled at me as I entered. Was it her? I went over and said Hi and she was happy to have me there, but then I realized she was a chubby girl and not at all who I had thought. I extricated myself from the situation and left to go home alone. Sheesh, I am leaving town in 6 days and I am bombing out! Well, of course I had my choice of hundreds of women, but I was tired.

And this is part of the Pattaya Blues I nearly always experience. When you arrive in Pattaya (or at least when I arrive in Pattaya), you are happy and excited and dying to get out there and bang women, or at least find a woman to bang if you are in to quality before quantity. You have a blast but at the 2/3rd point you get kind of tired, maybe a bit disillusioned as your dreams of a GFE with a super beautiful woman just aren't coming true and the mass of humanity you face and the circumstances of the woman and everyone involved in the industry gets you down. Well, maybe this doesn't happen to you, but it seems to happen to me. It will pass given the support system in place this time with MP, BB and the other friends who are in town.

But I go home alone and with only one lay for the day, Mickey at Bandit bar for a so so experience.

[QUOTE=Hunter999;2249842]I am planning again in this upcoming songkran, My concern was not 4 k bhts, but it was a sheer desperation of what's going inside and the things I heard from people that some of the bars don't allow Indians, As it was my first visit that time, so I was not sure, weather the not allowing Indians inside the Go. Go. Was true or fake.[/QUOTE]True.

You virtually will not see any Indian faces at any of the popular go-go bars packed with Whiteys and East Asians. There's hardly any room for those people. Last trip, I don't recall any Indian faces at Palace or Tantra. Last year, I saw the doorman reject Indians at Sensations by pointing at their sandals. At some other bar, the doorman demanded a 500 baht cover charge.

Interesting observation: 1 was at Infinity at 10:30. It was dead. A large group of East Asians walked in, looked around, and left. Then several minutes later, I saw large group of Indian types at the front door. They seem to be arguing with the doorman. Then 1 of them walked in, looked around, and then he and the rest left.

[QUOTE=PonkeyMaw;2250869]I plan on getting a massage then soi 6 then walking street then taking sleeping medication to fix my sleep schedule I think like 10 pm - 6 am would be good.[/QUOTE]Don't do massage if you already hurt, it might get even worst. Best thing is to spend a few hours in a sauna (stay in the hot room for 10-15 minute, then go out, then enter the hot room again and alternate like that as long as you can but not more than 3 hours). Don't alternate with the cold water or your cramps will last longer. Don't forget to drink a lot of water and eat some juicy fruits as advised by others earlier. This should also help you to have a very good sleep without taking any medication.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2250909]Maybe in a private hospital it will run you 1000 baht, but in a normal clinic it is only 200 or 300. From my doctor on Pattaya Tai it usually costs me 500 with medicine included.[/QUOTE]Yes, I mean a specialist at a decent private hospital. I find this worth paying, especially when diagnosing a new and potentially complex issue.

For trivial stuff, a clinic might be good enough, or even just going straight to a pharmacist, most are happy to take an educated guess at your ailment given the symptoms you describe.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2250908]Wise words, but have no fear that I am developing feelings for her! She is a warm body for me and, for her, I am a temporary refuge from the hell of her life.[/QUOTE]I have 2 friends who once talked like this. They both married their favored bar girls. The first guy didn't get the legal marriage paperwork, which is good because a couple months later he learned that she was already married and her legal husband was coming after my friend. The second guy got his woman a fiancée visa and brought her back to USA for a legal wedding. That's when her true personality started to show. The marriage lasted only a few weeks and he took her back to Thailand and arranged the divorce without her presence.

Beware of these women. Even the bar girls have charms unknown to western women.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2250903]Bangkok is slightly better for quality, yes. However, you need to manage your expectations. Thailand hooker scene has gone downhill over the last few years, and while it still has the quantity, great looking girls who still work in the industry are few and far between. Basically, the best looking sex workers rarely match average Thai girls on the skytrain (public transit) in terms of looks, unless you're specifically into Issan look and don't mind them somewhat trashy.

What Thailand is still good at is a good diversity of venues (freelancers, agogo bars, beer bars, BJ bars, oily massages, soapy massages), safety and ease of use for a foreigner, still some decent attitudes (though this is worse than in the past), and still decent service levels in some venues (Tulip or Snow White are great value for PSE, but there are no lookers there; BJ bars are a great no-brainer option for getting a BJ). The girls are still a bit more relaxed and fun than in many other places (where a session with a hooker is most often heavily constrained, sordid and restrictive)..[/QUOTE]Thank for your useful info, that helps a lot.

I like kissing girls, because that's what I do before having sex with normal girls or working girls. Because you can know if the girl is good when you kiss her. You are right about naughty girls, 7 years ago, I took a naughty girl, she grabbed my dick, she danced very well, she rubbed her ass on my dick but she did not want to kiss me, I tried to kiss her and she refused she said only in the room When we were in the room it was the worst experience I've had. That's why I always kiss a girl that's the only way I know if I get good vibes from her before having sex with the girl. That's what we most Brazilians do. That's why if you go to brothels in Brazil, you ll see Brazilian guys are not the type to go to the room very fast even if the girl is the hottest.

My plan is to go to Thailand because there are many activities to do and places to visit outside of mongering scene, if I can have good sex with good looking Thais, my trip will be more than perfect. My main reason is not only sex because I don't live in a sex prison.

I plan to stay 6 weeks in Thailand, I will go to Pattaya and Bangkok as you advised, I am sure Pattaya is a fun place even if the quality is not better than that of Bangkok. I checked out some youtube videos about Pattaya and Saigon, I find Vietnamese women more beautiful than Thais but they are more conservative and I am not interested in a serious relationship. Thai women are more open than Vietnamese women.

I've been to China and Hongkong but I did not fuck any Asian woman. I visited many massage parlors and clubs and I find most working women in China are middle aged, fat or / and ugly. I don't say Chinese women are ugly, because I've seen many beautiful Chinese women but they are not hookers, I ent up fucking a Russian woman in China and a Colombian woman in HongKong. I don't speak the language so I can't pick up normal Asian girls and I am also not interested in a serious relationship because they are not sexually open there.

Maybe there are some Vietnamese and Chinese women working in Thailand so that they stay away from people they know, it would be nice if I can fuck some foreign women, (Chinese and Vietnamese women). Maybe they are better looking and as open as thai women.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2251124]I have 2 friends who once talked like this. They both married their favored bar girls. The first guy didn't get the legal marriage paperwork, which is good because a couple months later he learned that she was already married and her legal husband was coming after my friend. The second guy got his woman a fiance visa and brought her back to USA for a legal wedding. That's when her true personality started to show. The marriage lasted only a few weeks and he took her back to Thailand and arranged the divorce without her presence.

Beware of these women. Even the bar girls have charms unknown to western women.[/QUOTE]I think the other thing to be wary of is that anyone can put on a good side and be accommodating for 1 to 4 weeks, because in reality it is the tourist who experience these problems. I think whether a bar girl or not you run the risk of choosing a girl with a bad disposition. The worse thing I have done in Pattaya is repeat with a Gogo girl. She was nice and I did enjoy her company but after 3 sessions in 4 days all of a sudden the line messages started and I was the worse in the world when I told her I wouldn't be seeing her for the 4th night. Was it anger from rejecting her and she had feelings or was it because cash, food, drinks and sleeping in a comfortable bed gone?

In Aussie I grew with the 3 F philosophy, Find 'them, Fuck 'them and Forget 'them. Best to follow that mantra in Thailand.

Rob.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2251154]I was the worse in the world when I told her I wouldn't be seeing her for the 4th night. Was it anger from rejecting her and she had feelings or was it because cash, food, drinks and sleeping in a comfortable bed gone?[/QUOTE]Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it was definitely not feelings for you or anything else. It was all about the cash and cash only! Easiest way to test any girl if they have true feelings for you is to tell her you would still like to see her but will not be paying her any longer. Let's see how many seconds it takes her to grab her cellphone, purse, shoes, and squid chips.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2251170]Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it was definitely not feelings for you or anything else. It was all about the cash and cash only! Easiest way to test any girl if they have true feelings for you is to tell her you would still like to see her but will not be paying her any longer. Let's see how many seconds it takes her to grab her cellphone, purse, shoes, and squid chips.[/QUOTE]LOL My belief too. How did you know she had Squid Chips! The night she wanted me to meet her, she was not working, and she found out I barfined one of her colleagues the messages on Line were obscene but she knew I was bar fining her friend before she was even changed LOL.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2250905]1. Does she adore you? Or is it an act? Don't try to figure that out. You may be disappointed. Just enjoy while you can.

2. It can only be good if you keep it temporary. I know it sounds cynical, but people change as they get comfortable. That hot girl will eventually develop unpleasant wife-like characteristics if things get too comfortable and convenient for both parties.[/QUOTE]Sage advice here. Enjoy the ride while it lasts. And never get on the same ride more than twice or thrice.

Actually, despite several years of mongering experience and encounters that have gone from good to shit, I wonder why people continue to fall in this trap? Is it something to do with the way people are wired? I mean most of us in our daily lives, hold (or have held) decent jobs or have some other pursuits that require solid rational thinking, analytical skills and objective decision making capability. Yet, in the world we hobby in we tend to fuck it up. It beats me.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2251154]I think the other thing to be wary of is that anyone can put on a good side and be accommodating for 1 to 4 weeks, because in reality it is the tourist who experience these problems. I think whether a bar girl or not you run the risk of choosing a girl with a bad disposition. The worse thing I have done in Pattaya is repeat with a Gogo girl. She was nice and I did enjoy her company but after 3 sessions in 4 days all of a sudden the line messages started and I was the worse in the world when I told her I wouldn't be seeing her for the 4th night. Was it anger from rejecting her and she had feelings or was it because cash, food, drinks and sleeping in a comfortable bed gone?

In Aussie I grew with the 3 F philosophy, Find 'them, Fuck 'them and Forget 'them. Best to follow that mantra in Thailand.

Rob.[/QUOTE]

That's the way to do it. And then there are muppets like this one.

[URL]https://cambodiaexpatsonline.com/general-chatter/expats-beware-t23495.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2251200]That's the way to do it. And then there are muppets like this one.

[URL]https://cambodiaexpatsonline.com/general-chatter/expats-beware-t23495.html[/URL][/QUOTE]So funny. The only thing I am upset about is his name. AussieSteve. Maybr from Austria? LOL.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2251154]I think the other thing to be wary of is that anyone can put on a good side and be accommodating for 1 to 4 weeks, because in reality it is the tourist who experience these problems. I think whether a bar girl or not you run the risk of choosing a girl with a bad disposition. The worse thing I have done in Pattaya is repeat with a Gogo girl. She was nice and I did enjoy her company but after 3 sessions in 4 days all of a sudden the line messages started and I was the worse in the world when I told her I wouldn't be seeing her for the 4th night. Was it anger from rejecting her and she had feelings or was it because cash, food, drinks and sleeping in a comfortable bed gone?

In Aussie I grew with the 3 F philosophy, Find 'them, Fuck 'them and Forget 'them. Best to follow that mantra in Thailand.

Rob.[/QUOTE]I'm sure there are many good women in Thailand, they just don't work in the sex industry. Also be careful with girls that work in the tourism industry (hotels, tour guides, etc), they picked those jobs for a reason.

If you are looking for a Thai woman as a partner, look away from the bars and find a girl from a good family where brothers and sisters are well employed (nurses, accountants, teachers, engineers, business owners, government employees, etc.).

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2251249]I'm sure there are many good women in Thailand, they just don't work in the sex industry. Also be careful with girls that work in the tourism industry (hotels, tour guides, etc), they picked those jobs for a reason.

If you are looking for a Thai woman as a partner, look away from the bars and find a girl from a good family where brothers and sisters are well employed (nurses, accountants, teachers, engineers, business owners, government employees, etc.).[/QUOTE]Sound advice. I have been married to an Indo girl for 16 years and same advice in most Asian countries. My opinion on marriage now is why buy the book when you can go to a library?

[QUOTE=RobJones;2251254]Sound advice. I have been married to an Indo girl for 16 years and same advice in most Asian countries. My opinion on marriage now is why buy the book when you can go to a library?[/QUOTE]There is a debate going on the Phil boards about all Asian women are lying sluts vs met a normal girl and lived happily ever after.

Both are correct. Just don't expect to take the bar out of a girl. 😲.