Rio de Janeiro Reports

[QUOTE=ILikeBigButts3;2031741]I've been in rio for a couple weeks and yet to do any Pay for play action. Darlene is not on whatsapp anymore and has changed her number. Does anyone know of any really big butt women. Bundudas, I want women with quadril larger than 120 cm and manequim 44+ I have looked around a lot. Unfortunately I'm not sure of what's around in prives as of late. There was this prive in barra that existed last year with really mulherao shaped women that I can't seem to find this year, anyone know who I mean?

Suggestions of really big butted women would be amazing.

I did go to vila mimosa a couple times by car very late at night, just drove through, looked a lot like sosua. Will go back and see if anything decent inside the bars. What are the prices there? Is it eat in or take out too.

Will upload some pics of some tinder catches later on.[/QUOTE]Try Mosaic, it is in the entrance of Vila Mimosa, the place is safer, the girls are more beautiful than vm, you just pay 10 reais consumption to enter the session 30 minutes 150 reais and 1 hour is 200 reais. There is a shaped woman that work there every Thursday, better to go there Thursday. She has a big natural ass with big legs she is white she has a beautiful face she wears a Chicago skirt. Did you try all the termas? It is more difficult to find this kind of woman in the termas because men are more into smaller girls when they pay more. You are more likely to find this kind of girl in the trash clubs in the Club 13 I saw a girl with huge ass and legs and big natural tits she is 5 feet 9 or 10 she is black she has a beautiful face. I also saw a tall woman with huge natural ass in Dolce Vita. She is 6 feet 1. In Florida, there is a girl with huge natural ass, big legs, she has a beautiful face, she is 6 feet she is mixed she only work there 4 times a month she is from Sao Paulo she comes to Rio once a month.

Did you already try some privates? You can check there if there is no girl you like you can move. It is totally normal in Brazil most Brazilians do that. Because it is just business like going to supermarket.

I am in the same situation as you, because I am looking tall slim girls with light brown or white skin between 175 cm and 185 cm. I have to walk around to find one and check all the places.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2031797]Try Mosaic, it is in the entrance of Vila Mimosa, the place is safer, the girls are more beautiful than vm, you just pay 10 reais consumption to enter the session 30 minutes 150 reais and 1 hour is 200 reais. There is a shaped woman that work there every Thursday, better to go there Thursday. She has a big natural ass with big legs she is white she has a beautiful face she wears a Chicago skirt. Did you try all the termas? It is more difficult to find this kind of woman in the termas because men are more into smaller girls when they pay more. You are more likely to find this kind of girl in the trash clubs in the Club 13 I saw a girl with huge ass and legs and big natural tits she is 5 feet 9 or 10 she is black she has a beautiful face. I also saw a tall woman with huge natural ass in Dolce Vita. She is 6 feet 1. In Florida, there is a girl with huge natural ass, big legs, she has a beautiful face, she is 6 feet she is mixed she only work there 4 times a month she is from Sao Paulo she comes to Rio once a month.

Did you already try some privates? You can check there if there is no girl you like you can move. It is totally normal in Brazil most Brazilians do that. Because it is just business like going to supermarket.

I am in the same situation as you, because I am looking tall slim girls with light brown or white skin between 175 cm and 185 cm. I have to walk around to find one and check all the places.[/QUOTE]Based on my experience I think Mosaico is a weak spot. Always a wait for rooms and to me the standard was so so and kind of plastic. Scan VM both sides of the road and its easy to find.

Most of the ghetto spots have big butt females. Rio is full of them! Loool. Afrodite, MV30,T31,4 x4-t81-119-almost all ghetto spots got plus sized asses.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2031918]Based on my experience I think Mosaico is a weak spot. Always a wait for rooms and to me the standard was so so and kind of plastic. Scan VM both sides of the road and its easy to find.

Most of the ghetto spots have big butt females. Rio is full of them! Loool. Afrodite, MV30,T31,4 x4-t81-119-almost all ghetto spots got plus sized asses.[/QUOTE]I never waited for the rooms, the girls are way better than VM, I agree there are plastic girls there are also many girls with natural curves in Mosaic. In VM I also see many plastic girls in VM.

Most girls working in VM are ugly especially the curvy ones, most girls look like veterans, they don't have a beautiful it is important for me the girl have a beautiful because I like to get sucked by the lady when I watch her face. , the rooms are dirty, the time is not respected, it is very smelly when I go to VM I have no motivation to fuck there. , I only saw few slim beautiful black and mulata girls in VM. I am not really into Black or mulata girls. That's why I prefer Mosaic to VM because there are more choice I am more into girls with white skin or light tanned skin. More or less like the porno Brazilian actress Abby Lee.

He is looking for a special shaped girl when a man is into curvy girls it is important the girl is well proportioned when you are into huge ass. If you are not into shaped women you will never understand it. I saw many shaped women in other place they are too big for guys into slim women but not big enough or not well proportioned for men into shaped women. There are many different kinds of shaped woman.

The girl on picture big Brazil 1 looks like more or less like the mixed (mulata) girl from Sao Paulo I saw in Florida Boate.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2031918]Based on my experience I think Mosaico is a weak spot. Always a wait for rooms and to me the standard was so so and kind of plastic. Scan VM both sides of the road and its easy to find.

Most of the ghetto spots have big butt females. Rio is full of them! Loool. Afrodite, MV30,T31,4 x4-t81-119-almost all ghetto spots got plus sized asses.[/QUOTE]Only once I saw a slim girl I really like in VM but she was short like 165 cm she was very beautiful with beautiful black hair and light tanned skin she had piercing (clit and tong) and some tattoos, she was too pro that's why I did not session with her. I visited VM many times I only see a girl I really like once. If the girl is tall and slim, white or light tanned, not really pro I don't care about the price. Trash clubs there are some fuckable girls but only good to have fast sex they are not really beautiful just fuckable, the only trash club I saw some really good girls was 210 these girls don't stay there for a long time they just come to make fast money, I also saw a beutiful slim girl in 81 she was 21 170 cm 50 kg white skin she only stayed 2 days before moving to 210, then she moved to 4 por 4 when I was in 4 por 4 I said in Portuguese (vc mudou de novo) you changed again, she worked in two different trash clubs 81 (2 days) and club 210 (1 day) before coming to 4 por 4 I met her 4 times in one week.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2032107]I never waited for the rooms, the girls are way better than VM, I agree there are plastic girls there are also many girls with natural curves in Mosaic. In VM I also see many plastic girls in VM.

Most girls working in VM are ugly especially the curvy ones, most girls look like veterans, they don't have a beautiful it is important for me the girl have a beautiful because I like to get sucked by the lady when I watch her face. , the rooms are dirty, the time is not respected, it is very smelly when I go to VM I have no motivation to fuck there. , I only saw few slim beautiful black and mulata girls in VM. I am not really into Black or mulata girls. That's why I prefer Mosaic to VM because there are more choice I am more into girls with white skin or light tanned skin. More or less like the porno Brazilian actress Abby Lee.

He is looking for a special shaped girl when a man is into curvy girls it is important the girl is well proportioned when you are into huge ass. If you are not into shaped women you will never understand it. I saw many shaped women in other place they are too big for guys into slim women but not big enough or not well proportioned for men into shaped women. There are many different kinds of shaped woman.

The girl on picture big Brazil 1 looks like more or less like the mixed (mulata) girl from Sao Paulo I saw in Florida Boate.[/QUOTE]I went Mosaico 3 times and didn't find greatness but to each his own.

I find they hustle too hard -especially the ones on the veranda trying to lure people in. Attitude bad.

The trick with vm is to take numbers and meet them outside. Do a short program and agree to link up.

Many great girls there. I have had 3 over many times and cheap and great sex. Cool chicks.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2032295]I went Mosaico 3 times and didn't find greatness but to each his own.

I find they hustle too hard -especially the ones on the veranda trying to lure people in. Attitude bad.

The trick with vm is to take numbers and meet them outside. Do a short program and agree to link up.

Many great girls there. I have had 3 over many times and cheap and great sex. Cool chicks.[/QUOTE]Because you go to mosaic very late, I often go very early from 9 pm it is easier to talk to the girls, from midnight it is very busy many men don't session they just drink many girls become aggressive I went to mosaic very late I hate it.

When there are more guys coming even if these guys never session, it is very stressful because girls will try to make as much money as possible but in reality they don't make more money because guys only want fresh pussies and they want to be the first client 4 por 4 girls are more aggressive than Cancun Sunday is the best day in mosaic to chill there are less girls (20 girls) they are less aggressive. Everyday in mosaic the manager is different there are some days they just give you a card and some days they just give you a paper.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2032295]The trick with vm is to take numbers and meet them outside. Do a short program and agree to link up.
Many great girls there. I have had 3 over many times and cheap and great sex. Cool chicks.[/QUOTE]That's the norm, not a trick (at every place). Been doing that for years.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2032295]The trick with vm is to take numbers and meet them outside. Do a short program and agree to link up.

Many great girls there. I have had 3 over many times and cheap and great sex. Cool chicks.[/QUOTE]It is easier to get providers' numbers in Rio de Janeiro than any other city on the planet.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2032732]That's the norm, not a trick (at every place). Been doing that for years.[/QUOTE]Its a figure of speech.

Of course you have to get numbers.

You don't have to session in VM and can get numbers but I recommend doing a short time td so you know what to expect when meeting.

And I went mosaico all hours and found it plastic-but one man's gold is another man's shiny plastic.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2033399]Its a figure of speech.

Of course you have to get numbers.

You don't have to session in VM and can get numbers but I recommend doing a short time td so you know what to expect when meeting.

And I went mosaico all hours and found it plastic-but one man's gold is another man's shiny plastic.[/QUOTE]Not good to say things that are not totally true, in mosaic there are many girls with natural shapes, I'll say 50 % 50% I went to VM I ve never seen a decent woman I only saw one decent lady in the past most look like veterans, many girls have billy. Rooms are dirty in VM, drinks are as expensive as Mosaic, Food is way more expensive than Copacabana. Most days at night, it is stressful because there are too many guys it is not more laid back than mosaic. It is very smelly. Maybe you like vm but I don't Like vm many people are like me and will never session with any girl there and find the girls ugly like many guys can be like you. In Mosaic I already got numbers from the girls I sessioned with I always session before picking any number just to have an idea about the girl.

For all the places if you don't mind money better to monger in the centro, mosaic is only the last option because there is nothing in the centro after 12 am except 210 to be honest 210 is not very interesting after 12 am or Florida they often have 8 girls.

Vm is good for people that don't care about dirtiness, you care more about quality I advise you to go to termas in the day and get numbers from the girls you session with. Trashes are cheaper in centro than VM. Like everywhere if you speak the language you won't have trouble picking numbers because you can easily talk to them.

Hello,

I'm looking for some good help and would definitely appreciate any response I can get. I been to rio twice last year. And looking to do my third sometime in the next 2 months. But I'm wondering if I should try So Paulo. I have about a week. How would you guys compare the two. It's usually just me and my friend who are on the same page as far as what we like to do. We like good prices in the daytime at day spas. And at night we like to actually go to big nightclubs and party with the locals then go to strip clubs and find the women we like to take to our hotel. Rio offers the nightlife in barra. But is average for strip Club's late night only maybe 2 to 3 clubs to choose from like Casablanca Kalibria or Barbarella.

We don't feel the necessity to pay a lot for day sessions but at nighttime we understand it cost more to take a girl home. And plus we have had a good amount to drink so we are more flexible haha.

Comparison on the 2 cities.

Prices.

Attitudes.

Atmosphere as Rio is very vacation like.

Quality.

More options of girls and strip clubs.

Thanks so much!

[QUOTE=Johnson163;2033564]I'm looking for some good help and would definitely appreciate any response I can get. I been to rio twice last year.[/QUOTE]Really appreciate that after your visits that you took the time to write such detailed reports of your visits.

Contributors like you make this forum what it is.

It also makes us want to do all your research for you as you plan for yet another visit.

Rio big. São Paulo, bigger.

Rio is the one with the beach.

[QUOTE=Johnson163;2033564]Hello,
I'm looking for some good help and would definitely appreciate any response I can get. I been to rio twice last year. And looking to do my third sometime in the next 2 months. But I'm wondering if I should try So Paulo. I have about a week. How would you guys compare the two...[/QUOTE]
If I'm not mistaken they had a very detailed discussion, comparing Rio and São Paulo, that covered lots of pages in the São Paulo thread. It was just a short while ago so it shouldn't be to hard to find the information you seek.

[QUOTE=Johnson163;2033564]Hello,

I'm looking for some good help and would definitely appreciate any response I can get. I been to rio twice last year. And looking to do my third sometime in the next 2 months. But I'm wondering if I should try So Paulo. I have about a week. How would you guys compare the two. It's usually just me and my friend who are on the same page as far as what we like to do. We like good prices in the daytime at day spas. And at night we like to actually go to big nightclubs and party with the locals then go to strip clubs and find the women we like to take to our hotel. Rio offers the nightlife in barra. But is average for strip Club's late night only maybe 2 to 3 clubs to choose from like Casablanca Kalibria or Barbarella.

We don't feel the necessity to pay a lot for day sessions but at nighttime we understand it cost more to take a girl home. And plus we have had a good amount to drink so we are more flexible haha.[/QUOTE]Hello Jonhson.

I'm French so excuse my English mistakes.

Sao Paulo is "the" city. No big beaches like in Rio, it's only buildings and buildings. So don't expect to feel like in Rio. I did many cities in Brazil and each city has it's own identity and soul.

Sao Paulo is nice to visit. You'll meet so many people there. I tend to think that paulistas are more approachable than cariocas. I just speak for myself here. It's what I felt.

As you can imagine, the food is way better in sao paulo since you have so many restaurants and options. If you like japanese food, you can go to "liberdade" it's the japanese neighbourhood (very big japanese community in Brazil. More than a million).

For the mongering, the prices are high. In the thermas you can expect at least 250/300 for the less expensive ones. For the good ones like the Scandalo or the Bomboa expect at least 450/500 reais for the short time.

I found that the best solution in Sao paulo was the escorts. There are plenty of pretty girls and you can expect to pay between 100 and 250 reais for one hour depending on the girl and your negotiation skills.

When you go to see a girl in her appartment, always take your passport with you otherwise the security in the lobby won't let you go upstairs very easy.

I advise you to stay on the avenida Paulista in the Jardim neighbourhood. It's the perfect spot for us. A lot of escorts in this part of the town, and it's very nice and safe. A lot of restaurants, attractions, young crowd etc.

Here is the website where I use to go when I'm there. Do not hesitate to negotiate! Never pay more than 200 reais for an hour, otherwise you can consider yourself as a weak punter! LOL.

[URL]http://splove.com.br/home/[/URL]

And by the way I really recommend this one! She's really really really nice! She's 19 years old and she knows what she's doing. She'll DFK you like you were her husband. Tight body and experience.

[URL]http://splove.com.br/modelo/lola/[/URL]

I hope this review will be useful to you.

[QUOTE=Johnson163;2033564]Hello,

I'm looking for some good help and would definitely appreciate any response I can get. I been to rio twice last year. And looking to do my third sometime in the next 2 months. But I'm wondering if I should try So Paulo. I have about a week. How would you guys compare the two. It's usually just me and my friend who are on the same page as far as what we like to do. We like good prices in the daytime at day spas. And at night we like to actually go to big nightclubs and party with the locals then go to strip clubs and find the women we like to take to our hotel. Rio offers the nightlife in barra. But is average for strip Club's late night only maybe 2 to 3 clubs to choose from like Casablanca Kalibria or Barbarella.[/QUOTE]Sperto is right. The comparison between the two cities has been recently discussed. Every so often the Rio vs. SP comparison gets debated in great detail.

With that in mind, I will keep it brief. Rio de Janeiro is one of the most beautiful cities in the world from a geographical perspective. The urban beaches are a blast for men looking for sun, surf and eye candy. Since you haven't been to either, I believe Rio should be the first place you visit. Ideally, you should stay in Ipanema or Copacabana. You will find plenty of fantastic sex and have a memorable vacation at the same time.

OK so I will give you my fast run down in Rio from just a couple months ago.

Day spa Eden. 150 1/2 hour 200 full hour all my money is in reals. If I were you guys just do the 1/2 hour. It's a day session not supposed to be love making session. Plus you can get all you need done in 1/2 hour. Also, after I finish the first time I'm ready to escape and leave that small room LOL and go back to copacabana and get something to eat. It's a small apartment on the fourth floor of a building with like 5 or 6 rooms inside. You first walk in there will be lady to greet you and bring you in a room and then one by one the girls will come in and introduce themselves. Remember the name of the girl you like as they will ask you to say which one you like. Then the girl come in and the session starts right to the business. Small room small bed but does the job of a quick day time session with a hot girl. Weekdays are best as sundays they are closed. I seen the most girls on a Monday afternoon with a lineup of 10 plus 4 out of 10 were nice!

Also want to tell you guys in my idea is a secret it's called Rj massage. Believe me I love having sex with beautiful women which place does not offer BUT! It is by far the most amazing massage I had it's called tantric massage which they specialize in and it's a real establishment in a shopping mall I think 10th or 11th floor. Across the street from Mc Donald's by copacabana beach. This girl sent shock waving electricity through my body which was so amazing. And at the end she started jerking me off and I tell you I swear I thought she was giving me a blow job! I had to look down to see and it's the most amazing detailed handjob the very given. I'm a type of person where I always needed to jerk myself off at the end to cum and for the first time she did it on her own! Worth every penny even though I didn't have sex. In my opinion it's a different kind of session like to take a break from session after session.

Will post later about night time action!

[QUOTE=Johnson163;2033885]OK so I will give you my fast run down in Rio from just a couple months ago.

Day spa Eden. 150 1/2 hour 200 full hour all my money is in reals. If I were you guys just do the 1/2 hour. It's a day session not supposed to be love making session. Plus you can get all you need done in 1/2 hour. Also, after I finish the first time I'm ready to escape and leave that small room LOL and go back to copacabana and get something to eat. It's a small apartment on the fourth floor of a building with like 5 or 6 rooms inside. You first walk in there will be lady to greet you and bring you in a room and then one by one the girls will come in and introduce themselves. Remember the name of the girl you like as they will ask you to say which one you like. Then the girl come in and the session starts right to the business. Small room small bed but does the job of a quick day time session with a hot girl. Weekdays are best as sundays they are closed. I seen the most girls on a Monday afternoon with a lineup of 10 plus 4 out of 10 were nice!

Also want to tell you guys in my idea is a secret it's called Rj massage. Believe me I love having sex with beautiful women which place does not offer BUT! It is by far the most amazing massage I had it's called tantric massage which they specialize in and it's a real establishment in a shopping mall I think 10th or 11th floor. Across the street from Mc Donald's by copacabana beach. This girl sent shock waving electricity through my body which was so amazing. And at the end she started jerking me off and I tell you I swear I thought she was giving me a blow job! I had to look down to see and it's the most amazing detailed handjob the very given. I'm a type of person where I always needed to jerk myself off at the end to cum and for the first time she did it on her own! Worth every penny even though I didn't have sex. In my opinion it's a different kind of session like to take a break from session after session.

Will post later about night time action![/QUOTE]Had a really bad session with Jackelin once at RJ massage. As is always the case the service is almost always girl dependent.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2033813]Sperto is right. The comparison between the two cities has been recently discussed. Every so often the Rio vs. SP comparison gets debated in great detail.

With that in mind, I will keep it brief. Rio de Janeiro is one of the most beautiful cities in the world from a geographical perspective. The urban beaches are a blast for men looking for sun, surf and eye candy. Since you haven't been to either, I believe Rio should be the first place you visit. Ideally, you should stay in Ipanema or Copacabana. You will find plenty of fantastic sex and have a memorable vacation at the same time.[/QUOTE]Sorry I just saw you've been to Rio twice. I only go to SP for business never vacation and I will probably keep it that way.

[QUOTE=Johnson163;2033564]Hello,

I'm looking for some good help and would definitely appreciate any response I can get. I been to rio twice last year. And looking to do my third sometime in the next 2 months. But I'm wondering if I should try So Paulo. I have about a week. How would you guys compare the two. It's usually just me and my friend who are on the same page as far as what we like to do. We like good prices in the daytime at day spas. And at night we like to actually go to big nightclubs and party with the locals then go to strip clubs and find the women we like to take to our hotel. Rio offers the nightlife in barra. But is average for strip Club's late night only maybe 2 to 3 clubs to choose from like Casablanca Kalibria or Barbarella.

We don't feel the necessity to pay a lot for day sessions but at nighttime we understand it cost more to take a girl home.[/QUOTE]Mongering in Rio is cheaper than Sao Paulo, Copacabana next to Leme is the best place to stay, it is where most mongering clubs work late at night you can easy to take the girls to your place. Mabs (a restaurant where many working girls work) and (Calabria, Dolce Vita, Cicciolina, Casablanca, Sensoo) they are the clubs that work late at night from Monday to Sunday). And terma monte carlo that works in the day till 12 am.

The best place to monger in the day from 2 pm to 12 am is the centro only few stops away from Copacabana, only 15 minutes by subway the name of the stop is Uruguayana or Carioca. Here are the termas: Cancun, 4 x4, Aeroporto, MV30, Playground, Terma 502, Terma 31 and boate Florida that opens from 10 pm) and subway restaurant that opens from 11 pm It is a restaurant where you find freelancers, here are trash clubs (Club 1 Club 3, Club 4, Club 5, Club 13, Club 15, club secreto Club 119, Club 116, Club Afrodite, Club 210, Club new 81, Club 64, club 113) it is better to go to centro from Monday to Friday, from 2 pm to 12 am.

Sao Cristovao (Vila Mimosa that is trashy and boate mosaic).

Hi guys,

First time typing on this forum, so I used it incorrectly forgive me.

I always loved Brazil, the multiple hues of women but I am also a fellow monger who likes to enjoy women. Being that I don't speak any Portuguese, I wanted to know how easy it is to approach a woman in Brazil to have fun with and have her show you around and take you out and about the places like restaurants bars etc. I know some guys here keep a soft harem, so I would be interested in know what's the typical minimum amount to reward them in a place like Brazil (and yes I know it varies) but any examples and specifics would be greatly appreciated. And yes I know they will be asking me to help them with their 10th grandma hospital bills, I'm used to all of that where I come from.

Finally landed at rio santo dumont on Monday the 15th May. I was delayed by more than 4 hrs. So all the plans I had in mind went haywire. Ubered to Centro for 7 R. I met pipelayer in Centro. What a nice guy. Took metro to copacabana together. I checked in at Premier copacabana. Quickly changed money and messaged Pipe to see if he was up for Monte Carlo. Pipe didn't want to go so I went to MC alone. Manager Ivan is still there. Quick shower and on to boîte. About 15 girls and 5 guys. Overall quality seemed down but I found 1 to my liking. Ava is brunette. All natural. 40 min. Session. Pretty decent but nothing extraordinary. I would rate the session about 7. Fooled around with a few other girls. Pipe texted so I met him for drinks later before going back to my hotel around midnight. Nice first day.

I'll writing the short reports. It's no fun to type on a phone.

SexMachine1.

Had a nice sleep. Breakfast in the hotel is pretty good. Hit Centro by 11 in the morning. 1st place I went to was Dudas 156 Rio Branco # 3320. About 10 girls. Couple of decent ones but I wanted to explore more. Went to # 2622 in the same building. Only 5 girls but I liked one called Annie. Slim, cute faced brunette. Took her for 30 minutes. For R120. Amazing attitude. No disappointment. Left happy.

I then went to Mcdonalds to have a quick sandwich. Walked around downtown for a couple of hours. Back to the hotel around 5 pm. Messaged pipe to hook up. We both needed to change money. After changing money, we sat down and had a drink at the nearby bar. Don didn't want to go to the terma so I decided to hit Centaurus. Got there around 7. Reception told me that they will now be open at 4 pm instead of 6 pm. Was told R620 cash or R740 with credit card which includes entrance and a 40 min. Programa. I only paid R160 entrance for now. It had to be paid upfront. Not like the other termas.

Centaurus. Went to the locker and a girl was called to help me undress and put a robe on. She was supposed to accompany me to the boîte but I asked her nicely to go upstairs and I'll find her there. Quick shower and on to the boîte. There were about 15 girls there which got to as many as 30-35 girls as the night went on but there were no more than 3-4 guys there at any time during the night. Some nice looking girls. Tall, model types, nice faces and above all great attitude. At no time, was I left alone for more than 5 minutes. Very aggressive girls who are all over you and they work in pairs. Some people may get annoyed with this but I actually like it. I kept chatting, fooling around with a lot of them until I saw the one I liked. Julia from Manaus. Skinny tall white skinned brunette with a beautiful face. Sat her down. Bought her a drink. Her hands were all over me and under my robe. After about 30 minutes. , we went upstairs. I had to go down and pay the difference so R460 before going to the room. Pretty ok session but it could have been better. I guess more you pay, less service you get. Not always but too many times. Got back down. Stayed for another hour. Then got down to pay the bill. She printed the bill and asked for R165 without giving me the bill. I asked and got the bill and it was R145 (3 x20 beers+ 1 red bull vodka R45 + 1 other drink for R40). So I paid R145 and needless to say, no tip for the receptionist. Not that I would have tipped her anyways.

I hadn't been to Centaurus in years so I wanted to go otherwise, the value is not there. I will not be going there again anytime soon.

Hit Centro early around 11. Went to bel Prazer. Rio Branco 185 # 2114. About 15 girls. Picked Suelli. R140 for 40 minutes. Not a great session. Left a bit unhappy. Walked around for a bit before going to Rua do Rosario 135 # 301. Only 4 girls. Didn't like anyone. I have had nice girls here in the past but not today. I then went to Rio Branco 185 again but suite no. 2104. To my surprise, about 12 girls and 2-3 to my taste. I picked Marianna. 19 year old. Very pretty face. Slim with nice boobs. Nice session. No complaints. Have to come back here again. R140 for 40 minutes.

By now, it was about 3 pm. Took my time having lunch and decided to go to Termas Cancun. I got there close to 4. Only 2 other guys. And about 15 girls. Nobody I liked so I sat down and ordered beer. Prices are R70 entrance which can be used towards your drinks. Then R330 for 1 HR or R310 for 40 minutes. After about an hour and 3 drinks later, I saw a cute one. Didn't need to call her. She came right over and very soon we were all over each other. She passed the interview process and off we went for 1 HR. Best session of this trip so far. Left very happy. It was about 7 pm by the time I reached back at copacabana. Was pretty beat so decided to call it a night.

My second last day in rio. Called it an early night yesterday so I was well rested in the morning. Went to the beach and spent some time there before going to Centro. First stop Dudas. About 10 girls. I picked myra from São Paulo. Tall, skinny, white, beautiful face and great attitude. Paid R140 for 40 minutes. Pretty nice session. Lots of bejos, BBBJ and great attitude. Definitely repeatable but I'm running out of time.

After the session, I felt like pizza. Googled Pizza Hut on maps and it showed one close to where I was. Just behind a McDonald's. Believe it or not, I spent more than an hour trying to find it but it wasn't there. I was at the right address but everybody around there was puzzled. They had never heard of a pizzeria nearby. Pizza huts phone wasn't working either. I had time to kill before going to solarium today. Finally, settled on a sub for lunch. Then I ubered to termas Solarium.

Termas Solarium. Got here around 4:30. Took a nice long shower and on to the boîte. WOW. There were about 20 girls and 1 other guy beside me. In a few hours it got to about 30 girls and about 8-10 guys. That's a lot of people for a small boîte. More than 20 girls were standing around. Just waiting for a guy to talk to them. I was approached by many girls. All were aggressive but in a much nicer way than Centaurus. This trip, I think Solarium beats all the termas for quality of girls, attitude, service etc. But it's a Thursday night. I went to Monte Carlo on a Monday night so I'll have to check out Monte Carlo again tomorrow to see if it stacks up. Anyways, no disappointment here. Prices are exactly the same as Monte Carlo. I had a lot of fun here. They had some shows in between as well. All the girls I talked to were very pleasant. Even when I sent them away nicely, there were cool, unlike Centaurus. I ended up picking a girl. Sorry don't remember the name. She was so good that she beat my cancun session. Pretty, obedient, caring and above all hard working. She needed to work hard to make me cum. Worth every penny. Amazing experience. If I don't find anybody at mc tomorrow, I'll have to return here.

Had some work to do so got to the hotel around 9. Uber guy overcharged me. I've complained to the support. See what happens.

My last day in rio. Got up and it was raining. Checked weather. It's supposed to rain all day. That's ok. I'll be doing indoor activities anyways.

Got to Centro and I decided to check out all the top Casas to see if there is anything special. Went to Dudas, bel prazer, emporia do banjo and 2 others. Nothing rang my bell. Quite a few girls in these places but nobody I did in the last few days was working. I would have repeated with Annie. Ok. So no casa girl today.

Decided to go to termas cancun and repeat there. Entered, showered and sat down. My girl shows up in a few minutes and very happy to see me again. Sat down for about an hour with her before going upstairs. Even better session than 2 days ago. Finished, showered again and took metro to MC.

Got to Monte Carlo around 7. It wasn't that good to begin with but after about an hour, I saw Selena from Fortaleza. Easily the best looking girl I've seen this trip. Beautiful face, skinny, white skin, 19 years old. Exactly what I like. I would rate her about 8. 5. She was sitting with a Brazilian guy and he kept buying her drinks and talking. After a long while, she got up to go to the banheiro, I stopped her, talked to her a bit and asked her to come for programa. She was all game. She was a bit mechanical and wanted to finish as soon as she could but I slowed her down and did it the way I wanted. She did all the things I wanted. Bejos, BBBJ and any position. But still, I wouldn't rate the session any more than 6-6. 5 but I still don't regret it. She was too pretty and too sexy. For someone like her, I don't mind tolerating a bit of attitude. Not the best session but with the best looking girl so far.

Got back to hotel around midnight. Got to catch the early avianca flight to São Paulo. That's it for rio. São Paulo, here I come.

I did have an ok time in rio. Nothing memorable. I hardly see any reason to come back. Here are my observations -.

1. Until 4-5 years ago, there were always a few knockout girls to be found but no more. I did not see 1 knockout girl in 5 days, even in top termas. I saw may be 1 or 2 girls that I would rate 8 or 8. 5. 1 at Centaurus and 1 at MC. Other than that, all were 7 or below. Mostly 5's and 6's. So, good looking working girls are almost non-existent IMHO.

2. Quality of sex is down big time as well. I only had 2 good sessions in 5 days. Rest were all below par.

3. Girls attitude is not as good as before. I remember the time when at luomo or mc, if I bought the girl a drink, she would be very thankful and always gave me the first sip of the drink. Good old days. That attitude is way gone.

4. It's not cheap either. It's more expensive than most other places in the world. I don't mind paying rio prices for good looking girls providing good service. But if I'm getting 10-20% decent sessions, I feel like I'm wasting my time and money in rio. Again, IMHO.

5. I sorely miss help and luomo.

Fkks are way cheaper. Good food and soft drinks are included in nominal entrance fee. Great clean facilities. European girls. Most of them have professional attitude but if you take them for 1 HR. Session, I found them to be warmer, obedient and trying harder to please. That's 100 euros or 365 reals for 1 HR. Of course, 30 minutes. For 50 euros is pretty cheap and available. I had a few 30 min. And 1 HR. Sessions in January when I was there. Never a bad session. Some good and some very good. You get to sit with the girl and screen / feel her out before going in for a session. For a short 3-4 day trip, I think fkks are unbeatable. Thailand is my favourite for a longer vacation. IMHO.

I know and understand that mongering everywhere has been in decline. At this rate, I can't imagine what'll happen in next 10 years. That's why I take a few trips every year now when I'm young, working and can easily afford it. Almost everyone everywhere is complaining and rightly so. But we still got to make the best of what we have.

São Paulo is next. I'm going there for the first time. Planning to go to top 5 boîtes and top 10 clinicas in 5 days. Let's see what happens. If I don't like São Paulo either, I should be done with Brazil for a while. Comparison between the two cities is inevitable and forthcoming. Stay tuned in the São Paulo thread for daily updates.

SexMachine1.

I will be doing my first trip to Brazil in June so I can't speak about the situation in Rio just yet. But I think these constant remarks on different boards here about the decline of quality probably has got a lot to do with the effect of desensitization. Nothing is ever nearly as exciting as the first few times you experience it. Works the same way with any drug or pleasurable activity. It is never as thrilling to go out to regular clubs as when you are 18. Same thing with FKKs or thermas. First few times are the best. I have gone to the FKKs for about three years and the experience now is nothing compared to the first visit and it stands to reason that the quality does not change dramatically within that short time frame.

I do appreciate that there have been some changes in Rio with the crisis and Help being closed etc. But I get the impression that the take home message in this thread from senior writers is to frequent the cheaper places / termas in Centro. Maybe the way to go is to visit more posh boates when in Sao Paulo, or Germany for FKKs or Vive in Madrid. When in Rome, do as the Romans do?

Sexmachine. I suspect you had some poor luck. When I was in Rio late last year I reckon 60% of the GPS I met provided a great service. When you consider that those were not researched girls, I think that is a very high hit rate indeed. You would be lucky to get a top notch hit rate of 15-20% where I live on unresearched girls. So kind of disagree with the negative conclusion below. The girls in Rio are still great (looks plus service).

[QUOTE=Ibrahimovic;2037818]I will be doing my first trip to Brazil in June so I can't speak about the situation in Rio just yet. But I think these constant remarks on different boards here about the decline of quality probably has got a lot to do with the effect of desensitization. Nothing is ever nearly as exciting as the first few times you experience it. Works the same way with any drug or pleasurable activity. It is never as thrilling to go out to regular clubs as when you are 18. Same thing with FKKs or thermas. First few times are the best. I have gone to the FKKs for about three years and the experience now is nothing compared to the first visit and it stands to reason that the quality does not change dramatically within that short time frame.

I do appreciate that there have been some changes in Rio with the crisis and Help being closed etc. But I get the impression that the take home message in this thread from senior writers is to frequent the cheaper places / termas in Centro. Maybe the way to go is to visit more posh boates when in Sao Paulo, or Germany for FKKs or Vive in Madrid. When in Rome, do as the Romans do?[/QUOTE]Crisis did not change Rio.

Rio is still good if you know where to go, My best experiences with pros in rio de janeiro were pros from Termas Centro. It was way better than Termas in Zona sul.

There is a new help now, It sucks, it is not like before and the space is very small even smaller than calabria.

H.

[QUOTE=Sexmachine1;2037802]I did have an ok time in rio. Nothing memorable. I hardly see any reason to come back. Here are my observations -.

1. Until 4-5 years ago, there were always a few knockout girls to be found but no more. I did not see 1 knockout girl in 5 days, even in top termas. I saw may be 1 or 2 girls that I would rate 8 or 8. 5. 1 at Centaurus and 1 at MC. Other than that, all were 7 or below. Mostly 5's and 6's. So, good looking working girls are almost non-existent IMHO.

2. Quality of sex is down big time as well. I only had 2 good sessions in 5 days. Rest were all below par.

3. Girls attitude is not as good as before. I remember the time when at luomo or mc, if I bought the girl a drink, she would be very thankful and always gave me the first sip of the drink. Good old days. That attitude is way gone.

4. It's not cheap either. It's more expensive than most other places in the world. I don't mind paying rio prices for good looking girls providing good service. But if I'm getting 10-20% decent sessions, I feel like I'm wasting my time and money in rio. Again, IMHO.

5. I sorely miss help and luomo.

Fkks are way cheaper. Good food and soft drinks are included in nominal entrance fee. Great clean facilities. European girls. Most of them have professional attitude but if you take them for 1 HR. Session, I found them to be warmer, obedient and trying harder to please. That's 100 euros or 365 reals for 1 HR. Of course, 30 minutes. For 50 euros is pretty cheap and available. I had a few 30 min. And 1 HR. Sessions in January when I was there. Never a bad session. Some good and some very good. You get to sit with the girl and screen / feel her out before going in for a session. For a short 3-4 day trip, I think fkks are unbeatable. Thailand is my favourite for a longer vacation. IMHO.

I know and understand that mongering everywhere has been in decline. At this rate, I can't imagine what'll happen in next 10 years. That's why I take a few trips every year now when I'm young, working and can easily afford it. Almost everyone everywhere is complaining and rightly so. But we still got to make the best of what we have.

So Paulo is next. I'm going there for the first time. Planning to go to top 5 botes and top 10 clinicas in 5 days. Let's see what happens. If I don't like So Paulo either, I should be done with Brazil for a while. Comparison between the two cities is inevitable and forthcoming. Stay tuned in the So Paulo thread for daily updates.

SexMachine1.[/QUOTE]The best experience for our hobby in the world today in terms of service by the providers is in Brazil. The best in Brazil is in Rio. I would like to hear of another country where the girls provide better service than Brazil. From my experience the next best is El Salvador. Argentina is also quite good. Also I've had some great Paraguayans in Argentina.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2037982]The best experience for our hobby in the world today in terms of service by the providers is in Brazil. The best in Brazil is in Rio. I would like to hear of another country where the girls provide better service than Brazil. From my experience the next best is El Salvador. Argentina is also quite good. Also I've had some great Paraguayans in Argentina.[/QUOTE]The FKK scene in Germany is my favorite after Brazil. I have also enjoyed myself in Spain quite well.

Popped in tonight to see how things were going. The indian restaurant that opened next door (Taj Mahal) seems to be doing really well, so lots of couples walking around / waiting -- fun neighbors LOL. I've eaten there and it's pretty good for Rio.

Solarium around 9 pm (Saturday) was pretty busy, reasonable number of girls to guys. Some older, fit but "stern" looking ladies this time around. Found few young'uns, incluing 1 twenty-two year old with no kids and only 1 tattoo. It's a rare sighting LOL. Entrada I think was BRL 105, and all-in for 40 minutes was BRL 505 (paying cash). At 3. 26 (yay government corruption) I think that is around USD 160.

Anyway, a better turn-out than I've seen there for a bit. Better than MC last time I was there a few weeks ago with Vagabundo.

Don't forget to walk 3 shops up JJ Seabra for a high-quality ice cream aftewards at Mil Fruitas, while you wait for you Uber!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2037988]The FKK scene in Germany is my favorite after Brazil. I have also enjoyed myself in Spain quite well.[/QUOTE]Don't forget Colombia. Those Paisas can rival the Brazilian chicks. And if you like Asians girls, then it's another treat (or treats). Quite a bit of variety, from Thai chicks, to Vietnamese, to Filipinas, Indonesians, and finally Korean and Japanese. Many lovely girls there for sure.

I also agree with you on the FKKs. It's a treat as well, that I've been sampling once a year for quite a while.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2038117]Don't forget Colombia. Those Paisas can rival the Brazilian chicks. And if you like Asians girls, then it's another treat (or treats). Quite a bit of variety, from Thai chicks, to Vietnamese, to Filipinas, Indonesians, and finally Korean and Japanese. Many lovely girls there for sure.[/QUOTE]I like Colombian girls and find them to be quite pretty, but my experience is that they just don't put out the way a Brazilian girl does. Nobody outdoes a Brasiliera LOL! As for Asian girls, well I'm just not attracted to most Asian women. But if one is, then yes, most certainly a place like Thailand is a monger paradise.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2038074]Popped in tonight to see how things were going.... Solarium around 9 pm (Saturday) was pretty busy, reasonable number of girls to guys. Some older, fit but "stern" looking ladies this time around. Found few young'uns, incluing 1 twenty-two year old with no kids and only 1 tattoo. It's a rare sighting LOL. Entrada I think was BRL 105, and all-in for 40 minutes was BRL 505 (paying cash). At 3. 26 (yay government corruption) I think that is around USD 160.[/QUOTE]I used to like Solarium a lot a few years back. I almost stopped in last night.

Nowadays having fun at the massagems. Found a sweet 19-20 yr old in centro on Friday. Good looking blonde, no kids, nice body, and great service. So good I went back for another round with her Saturday. R120-150 (30 min and 60 min). If she had not be available, I would have gone to Solarium.

I haven't been back to Rio, mostly Villa Mimosa, since Help closed. I've been to Manaus several times and enjoyed myself but I was there mainly for the Amazon River. Right now I am spending two weeks in Cali Colombia and am having a ball. As my name indicates, my point of view is a bit different than most here in the Rio thread. I like looks ok but I need attitude and suction power. I pay 30.000 COP (about $11) for 30 minutes 3 or 4 times a day here. My old, 70 year old body will be giving out soon so I want to make the most of what little I got. Having said this, I'll be going back to Brasil. Not sure what city. Later this year. Where are the cheapest girls?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Bottom Feeder;2038427]I haven't been back to Rio, mostly Villa Mimosa, since Help closed. I've been to Manaus several times and enjoyed myself but I was there mainly for the Amazon River. Right now I am spending two weeks in Cali Colombia and am having a ball. As my name indicates, my point of view is a bit different than most here in the Rio thread. I like looks ok but I need attitude and suction power. I pay 30.000 COP (about $11) for 30 minutes 3 or 4 times a day here. My old, 70 year old body will be giving out soon so I want to make the most of what little I got. Having said this, I'll be going back to Brasil. Not sure what city. Later this year. Where are the cheapest girls?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]
Rio, São Paulo, Fortaleza, São Luíz, Belo Horizonte and just about every capital in Brazil have cheap trash puteiros where you can get laid for R$20. What differs is the cost of living in those cities. In Manaus you'll spend way less money than in Rio.

Well, my trip is planned 58 days, but plan is to extend forever, internet willing.

On the deck vicinity botafogo.

Have a homeaway top shelf apto pending for 6 k / mo, but e caro, entao busco apto no niteroi.

Banged wife last night, surprise surprise she's no fiel; shocked. Ditching, shifting fire to younger negras and younger new to the game girls in zona norte.

When you have a pimp ass pad in zona sul, you get inflated; and we as traders must deflate; watch your limit orders gents, and build a good order book; in the thinly traded market the marginal buyer is the pimp ass 50 cent / Felipe ret singing king.

Vagabundo.

Termas 65 reopens:

Bom DIA meu amigo.

Boas notícias.

A 65 foi vendida e totalmente reformada!

Boite.

Whiskeria com área de fumantes them anexo.

Sauna.

Administração.

Nova decoração.

Grande parte dos funcionários e meninas estarão na casa!

Gostaria de convidar vc e seus amigos para a festa de inauguração nesta segunda feira DIA 29/5 a partir das 14 hs.

Rua do Rosário,65 Centro com manobrista à disposição.

Favor mandar seu nome e de seus amigos para a lista de convidados VIP.

Obrigada 😚.

Christine.

[QUOTE=Safado69;2039794]Termas 65 reopens:

Bom DIA meu amigo.

Boas notcias.

A 65 foi vendida e totalmente reformada!.[/QUOTE]Very interesting news. I have been making the rounds lately this week and most of the Centro T's are not doing great. 4 x4 was busy but 502 totally dead (literally empty inside). Cancun moderately full but not great choices of ladies. If 65 can pull this off with fresh new talent, it would be a welcome return.

Stopped into the Playground Hotel -- which has a great location -- in the afternoon the other day and they only had 4 (4!) girls working. WTF? Prime location and facility and yet 4 pm dead as a doornail. MV30 was was full of punters but with a limited, big-bunda'd set of girls. T31 was fraco mesmo, except for 1 gem I found (who I'm totally keeping to myself, sorry).

Centro needs a bit of life back in it. Thanks for the news. I'll try to make time to head down there next week, after the opening.

By the way, did a prive run today throughout all the places I could find in 13 de Maio 33 and 13 de Maio 47 -- just horrible choices. 1 doable girl in the bunch and that was only compared to the other options, after visiting about 15+ places. The other day I did the same scan in 185 and 156 Rio Branco and also came up empty -- not great choices. Lots of hambeasts. Of course, it only takes finding that one girl, but she eluded me this run. I did pay BRL 120 at Emporio to take a dump and a shower. That's the price of their 30 minute option. I told the receptionist I didn't see any girls to my liking, but after hiking around Centro all day and being a sweaty mess, I'd pay her to take a shower and use their can. She told me I had to go for the 120 BRL option and pick a girl. I picked a girl and we hung out, fully clothed, talking in the room after I'd destroyed their toilet and gotten squeaky clean. Hilarious. Girl is engaged and tells her husband-to-be that she works in telemarketing in Botafogo. Fun times. Let me just say -- Emporio's AC makes it a joy to be in one of their rooms, so nice.

Emporio do Banho and Espaco Mente e Corpo remain top privees with slimmer (body type) talent and better facilities. But even there mishaps happen -- saw a girl I liked at Espaco, marked with her for 11 am today, even called to say I'm on my way -- when I get there, the receptionist says she called and said she wasn't ever coming to work again. Dogged. Was it me, LOL?

Apparently the owner of Bel Prazer / Emporio / Espaco etc. Is involved in the 583 Nossa Senhora joint (sobreloja) in Copa, and the are pushing it hard as a place to see. Haven't checked it out yet. The door is right between the 2 branches of Bradesco on that side of Nossa Senhora.

By the way, don't pass up the steak sandwich (filet mignon) and mussarela a milanesa at Esch Cafe's centro location -- very central for all the spots around Uruguaina. And they have the cleanest, most user-friendly WC I know in Centro, outside of using the one at Emporio. Say Hi to manager Chico.

-Cartman.

Spent 2 great weeks in Rio, after 1 week in SP. Short and sweet report. I scouted lots of massagems in centro, 3 in copa, and 2 termas.
Av 13 de Maio #33. First girl set the bar high. Bia about 23 yrs old, no kids, nice long BBBJ, multiple positions, GFE. R100 (had a flyer from the guys outside, otherwise its about R120-170). All 3 girls at that place were nice, sweet, smiling, and welcoming. 1 medium morena Bia. 1 light skinned girl with a nice big bunda (did her 10 days later), and 1 slim and sexy black girl.

Monte Carlo. Decent girls. Took and sweet morena. Same drill. BBBJ, multiple positions, photos. Total R510 (inc.10 beers). Got a discount on the entrance since the manager knows me.

NS Copa casa. Found a new place 1 block from the apt. About 6 girls. I liked 2 of them. The girl opened the door wearing a sheer shoulder wrap with her tits hanging out and a thong. Yes, I took her! A 19 yr old mulatta, no kids, and big azz titties, small nice butt. Great BBBJ and a quick nut. R85. Prices were about R85, 140 and 190. This place wanted the money upfront. They also had drinks available. So you could actually chill and drink with the girls if you want. Took my girl's number for later.

Rio Branco 185. Tried a new girl at one of the massagems. Her 1st day, and me her 1st customer. Amanda 19,1 kid, big tits 38 Ds (that's why I chose her), a little scar on the belly from having a kid. Decent BBBJ, very tight buceta, R120. She was funny. She came to the room with 2 sheets for the bed but no towels for the shower. A true newbie.

Rio Branco 156. Bruna, sexy 23-24 yr old, very pretty, nice 34 C size tits, small scar from kid, great GFE, and CIM. R120 and pics. I wish I had gone back for round 2. Hope she keeps her number. She just sent me a message yesterday. But I'm in Sao Paulo. Shit I wish I was there. LOL.

Rio Branco 156 again. Same place from the day before. I asked for Perola. Big bunda black girl about 24 years old. I just had to try her. Great BBBJ, cowgirl. She bounced that bunda up and down real good. Then I gave her a good pounding in doggie. R120 (she asked for 140, but I told her I was there yesterday and paid R120. OK). All good.

RB 185. Larissa, maybe 19 or 20 years old, pretty blonde young lady, no kids, and sweet shaped butt. She is small with all the right curves. Great BBBJ and sexo. R120.
That same night. Still feeling good after Larissa. I sent a text to a girl from last year. Lara. She wanted R300, I said R200 - OK. She lives just around the corner. I asked her how long until she arrives, 20-30 minutes. Deal. After 30 min, she sends a message that she is on the way. A short walk about 150m from my Airbnb so I wait for her outside (just in case she has gained weight or something else?) She arrives looking good and smelling good. We go up and I have a drink, she has water. Then she takes a shower? I'm thinking WTF, she just left her apartment 3 minutes ago. Girls. Whatever. After my drink she it's party time. She gave me a serious BJ and for a long time. Great BBBJ and deep throat. Heck yeah. She rides me for awhile in different positions, I hop on top so I can squeeze that juicy butt underneath, then it's on to doggie, and bust. Well worth the R200 for the hour with her.

Repeat with Larissa.

Av 13 de Maio #33 again. This time I took the one with the big round bunda. Great BBBJ, I'm talking great. Multiple positions, some hard pounding and a CIM finish. R100. I gave her an extra R20 just because. She really put it on me.

Side note. Went to 4x4 once, it's gone downhill. Same as last year. Went twice in 2016 and didn't take a girl. Too bad, that used to be my favorite place.

In the down time, I tried a couple of new restaurants, had beers & pastelas at Pavao Azul, drinks in Ipanema, and looked for girls on the beach.
Finally on my last day at Rio with only a few hours to go, I found a regular looking black GDP walking with her friend at posto 5. I stopped her to talk. She had no make-up, no surprise since we were at the beach. Average in looks (for Rio, but back home I'd be all over her), and small Booty shorts. AND her round ass looked good and felt good. Yes I gave it a sort of discreet feel as we talked. Man I wanted to take her to a ST hotel but I was already tapped out. Plus I was heading back to Sao Paulo for another week. So I took her number for next time.

Nice 2 weeks in Rio.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2037982]The best experience for our hobby in the world today in terms of service by the providers is in Brazil. The best in Brazil is in Rio. I would like to hear of another country where the girls provide better service than Brazil. From my experience the next best is El Salvador. Argentina is also quite good. Also I've had some great Paraguayans in Argentina.[/QUOTE]I agree that Brasileiras are the best service providers in the world. That's why I've been there dozen times. But, I've had equally great sessions in Buenos Aires, Asuncion, Santo Domingo, Holguin, Costa Rica, Medellin, FKKs, Tijuana etc. It really depends on the chemistry between the two. If you can build that, you can have a great session almost anywhere IMO.

I had a great afternoon with a 20 year old negra -- a unicorn, that rare find, the semi-pro, as I met her a year ago in a prive. This girl is really a Ana foxxx look alike. I had some Ana foxxx porn playing, and she even said, she looks like me.

I had been kind of bummed as one mini-relationship has ended, but shame on me for thinking I could wife up a ho. I mean, who am I kidding?

But, the afternoon was just getting started. The minute she came into my room, I pulled those pants down and ate her black pussy, and she loved it. And I loved it.

The thing I loved is that she is clearly not working. Now. In fact, she's going to school, to university. She's that semi-pro, or retired minor league who never stayed in the biz. Good on her. So, I ate her pussy until her juices were flowing, and that deep dark black pussy got me super hard, and I whipped it out, and -- ta the -- bareback.

Now fucking a super hot 20 year old black girl bareback is pretty much all I need to be happy.

And so we fucked, and fucked, and fucked. Over the next 5 hours, I fucked her about 5 times, and blew three loads in that super slick pink pussy. We 69 ed, and man, she is great at that.

And then we fucked again.

Obviously, I am not passing out contacts; in fact, I've found that's a counter productive game here. But I will offer a general guide.

Getting the 18 year old number in the prives is the first step. Then get that girl back to the apartment. By the time 20 hits, the girls are in GDP middle age. If the girl was smart / strong enough to drop out early, good on her. And FWIW, I'm hanging up my calcinhas as they say. I'd rather wife up one 20 year old negra, maybe get a flat in niteroi, and make love like a young Hemingway with his Paris Wife.

And it all comes down to money. I gave her some money at the end. Maybe 250 r in various bills. Wish I could have given her more, as it was the best fuck I've had in a year. There's just nothing like bare back. And she's really pretty. The kissing was hot. Her nipples were pert and stuck out, perfect little A cups. But the thing about the money is she didn't ask for it. I offered it, and she didn't really say much about it. Contrast this with former mini relationships where every uber was on me. By contrast, this girl took the metro, etc. Went to class at university (hint hint, it might be better to spend as much time at universities when in Brazil as at termas). And seemed very happy with the 250. By contrast, the last mini relationship kind of went the way of the dinosaur because I wouldn't pay for an uber. OK, I get it that it's a security issue, but if that's the deal breaker, it wasn't much of a deal to begin with. The larger issue is that if a girl is selling her pussy, you really can't have a fully satisfying experience, at least in my book.

So, if it works out, my intent is that my mongering days are winding down. Having Ana foxxx sitting on my dick is a good way to go to monger heaven.

[QUOTE=Sexmachine1;2040058]I agree that Brasileiras are the best service providers in the world. That's why I've been there dozen times. But, I've had equally great sessions in Buenos Aires, Asuncion, Santo Domingo, Holguin, Costa Rica, Medellin, FKKs, Tijuana etc. It really depends on the chemistry between the two. If you can build that, you can have a great session almost anywhere IMO.[/QUOTE]I like it when the providers enjoy the session and that is what I get when in Brazil, especially Rio. I get the same in San Salvador and Buenos Aires to a lesser extent. I also sessioned some Russians recently who I found genuinely enjoyed the sessions and I made a mental note to try to session them more. What I have found in other destinations such as Medellin, Tijuana and FKKs is that the good service provided is usually out of professionalism and not out of an enjoyment of sex especially if you are their fifth, sixth or later for the day. I guess Brasilieras have a greater capacity for sex. As far as the Dominican Republic is concerned I have reported my negative experiences in other fora; others have had better experiences than mine but although I find many Dominicans attractive I find their service less than what I require. That was service, now beauty lies in the eye of the beholder but as far as looks is concerned for me you cannot beat the FKKs. To revert to history the FKKs were trumped by the fleshpots of Chang Ping, China but sadly a crackdown four years ago put an end to that.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2040241]I also sessioned some Russians recently who I found genuinely enjoyed the sessions and I made a mental note to try to session them more.[/QUOTE]Russians (and Ukrainians) have been some of my favorite providers of all time over the years. I have them second for anal only after the Brazilians LOL! I've even had one blonde Belorussian girl (FKK Oase in Germany), and she was good too! Nice, bright pink arsehole hahaha!

I speak pretty decent Spanish. Which is why I keep going g to Medellin. But not a drop of Portuguese. How much will it matter if I take a 2 week monger trip to Rio? Any suggestions for where to stay? I can handle 75-100 a night, though obviously less is better.

Any places in Rio that are like the Medellin Mansion? How safe is Rio at night. Obviously common sense applies, but is it more like Centro Medellin or Poblado where most of the action-thermas, massagems are? Is there a Monger Map for Rio?

I've been reading through this forum and some other info.

But, it will be my 1st time in Brazil so, any help would be great.

I will probably go the 1st 2 weeks of December.

Hopefully sending in for my Visa in August-since I need my passport for my July Medellin trip leaves enough time for it.

[QUOTE=Ibrahimovic;2037818]I will be doing my first trip to Brazil in June so I can't speak about the situation in Rio just yet. But I think these constant remarks on different boards here about the decline of quality probably has got a lot to do with the effect of desensitization. Nothing is ever nearly as exciting as the first few times you experience it. Works the same way with any drug or pleasurable activity. It is never as thrilling to go out to regular clubs as when you are 18. Same thing with FKKs or thermas. First few times are the best. I have gone to the FKKs for about three years and the experience now is nothing compared to the first visit and it stands to reason that the quality does not change dramatically within that short time frame.[/QUOTE]Your insight on desensitization couldn't be more true. I have about twenty years mongering the world. I have toured Brazil almost that entire time. One thing that also reinforces the desensitization is age. Being initially a young man with fair features and decent looking (no movie star looks, but decent enough), I had my fair share of Brazilian GDP beauties flirt with me and give me their number. Sure, your paying for the experience, but some of the girls would prefer to party with fun, decent looking men with some maturity. That reaction from the girls is now gone my friends. I now get by with charm and humor. The same goes for stamina. I could go all night and morning with a 19 year-old sun-kissed Brazilian hotty with a nap here and there. No longer my friends.

I can still find beautiful Brazilian program girls in Rio and SP. There was a time when you could walk the Copacabana strip with a perpetual hard-on from all the beautiful and available women. Even if Copacabana went back to the way it was fifteen years ago, I don't think it would be the same for me. We all get jaded!

I can't wait to go back to Brazil, hope things keep changing.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2040065]By contrast, the last mini relationship kind of went the way of the dinosaur because I wouldn't pay for an uber. OK, I get it that it's a security issue, but if that's the deal breaker, it wasn't much of a deal to begin with. .[/QUOTE]I don't pay my employees for each way of their commute to work. We agree on their salary, and then they figure out how the fuck to get to the office to earn their salary. Sure, some get by-law transportation expense reimbursement, but it comes with a salary deduction. Same rule for ho's. Don't quote me BRL $400 and then ask me to pay your uber or taxi. I had a girl ask me for taxi money back to Niteroi while she was holidng BRL $1200 in her hand from her activities (other story). I laughed at her and basically said in portuguese, "are you fucking kidding me?"

Put the foot down, gents. Don't be that thirsty guy.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2040264]I speak pretty decent Spanish. Which is why I keep going g to Medellin. But not a drop of Portuguese. How much will it matter if I take a 2 week monger trip to Rio? Any suggestions for where to stay? I can handle 75-100 a night, though obviously less is better.

Any places in Rio that are like the Medellin Mansion? How safe is Rio at night. Obviously common sense applies, but is it more like Centro Medellin or Poblado where most of the action-thermas, massagems are? Is there a Monger Map for Rio?

I've been reading through this forum and some other info.

But, it will be my 1st time in Brazil so, any help would be great.

I will probably go the 1st 2 weeks of December.

Hopefully sending in for my Visa in August-since I need my passport for my July Medellin trip leaves enough time for it.[/QUOTE]There is no place similar to the Medellin Mansion in Rio. I just finished 15 days there a week ago and I am now in Bogota and leave for Rio in a couple days. I don't know of many places worldwide that are like that. The closest 2 that jump to mind would be SL in CR and Blackbeards in DR.

Obviously the more of a local language you speak the better. I don't speak much Portuguese at all and still have a great time in Rio. I have found many more english speakers in Rio than in Medellin. Also knowing Spanish helps sometimes. Some girls do speak Spanish or at least understand enough that they can guess what you are trying to say.

I don't spend much time in either Centro area, just not my favorite venues. During the daytime both places are reasonably safe as long as you act sensibly. At night time the threat levels in each centro rises quite a bit. As for comparing Copa and Poblado they are very different areas. Copa is one of the more heavily tourist beach areas anywhere and with that comes some increased pick-pocketing and petty theft. Poblado is mainly a rich and upscale residential and business area in Medellin, yes they are some tourists there but its not a tourist destination per se.

Hotel for 75-100 and hopefully less?? I really have no idea, I always use an airbnb when in Rio.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2040264]I speak pretty decent Spanish. Which is why I keep going g to Medellin. But not a drop of Portuguese. How much will it matter if I take a 2 week monger trip to Rio? Any suggestions for where to stay? I can handle 75-100 a night, though obviously less is better.

Any places in Rio that are like the Medellin Mansion? How safe is Rio at night. Obviously common sense applies, but is it more like Centro Medellin or Poblado where most of the action-thermas, massagems are? Is there a Monger Map for Rio?

I've been reading through this forum and some other info.

But, it will be my 1st time in Brazil so, any help would be great.

I will probably go the 1st 2 weeks of December.

Hopefully sending in for my Visa in August-since I need my passport for my July Medellin trip leaves enough time for it.[/QUOTE]I'm speak very good Spanish and even after 16-18 trips to Brazil, I still had a hard time with Portuguese. The frequent comment on Spanish speakers is that the Brasilenos will understand you, but you won't understand them. I think that's pretty much the case. However despite my problems with Portuguese, I still had fantastic experiences in Rio and Sao Paulo.

Unfortunately there is nothing like the Mansion in Rio. I really like some camaraderie with fellow hobbyists and in Rio that's not as easy as it once was. Years ago it was common for visiting hobbyists to congregate in certain areas. Terraco Atlantica (in front of Help), Don and Ken's shop front, various cafes or Kiosks on the Ocean. You could fly down there by yourself and always have guys to do Terma runs with or go out to eat / drink together. These days you don't have enough of us visiting for that to work.

Despite Rio not being what it was 10-15 years ago, I still encourage you to go. It's a fantastic destination. And if you're there for two weeks, you might as well spend some time in Sao Paulo. IMO that city has more crazy-hot-looking women than anywhere on Earth.

[QUOTE=Combo;2040395]I'm speak very good Spanish and even after 16-18 trips to Brazil, I still had a hard time with Portuguese. The frequent comment on Spanish speakers is that the Brasilenos will understand you, but you won't understand them. I think that's pretty much the case. However despite my problems with Portuguese, I still had fantastic experiences in Rio and Sao Paulo.

Unfortunately there is nothing like the Mansion in Rio. I really like some camaraderie with fellow hobbyists and in Rio that's not as easy as it once was. Years ago it was common for visiting hobbyists to congregate in certain areas. Terraco Atlantica (in front of Help), Don and Ken's shop front, various cafes or Kiosks on the Ocean. You could fly down there by yourself and always have guys to do Terma runs with or go out to eat / drink together. These days you don't have enough of us visiting for that to work.

Despite Rio not being what it was 10-15 years ago, I still encourage you to go. It's a fantastic destination. And if you're there for two weeks, you might as well spend some time in Sao Paulo. IMO that city has more crazy-hot-looking women than anywhere on Earth.[/QUOTE]I can understand guys getting together for the fun. That s all good, but I have a different perspective.

Interestingly enough, I look for the total opposite when traveling to bunda land. Traveling solo is not a crutch. Not interested in hanging out with gringos, unless they speak enough basic portuguese to carry a conversation. I am not interested in babysitting and being a constant translator. For the record, I am extremely fluent in both English and Spanish, due to my parents influence. I literally paid my dues over 10 years ago when I decided to pay a private tutor to meet me after work several times a week for over half a year, learning portuguese using text books, speaking, listening, writing, HW, etc. When I returned the to Brazil the following year, it was a different world. Instead of looking for gringo buddies, now it was local buddies. I am sure some gringos on this forum can show others a few great spots for fun, but nothing like what the locals know and can share. I will just leave it at that.

It is not necessary for one to speak the local language to have fun, but its even more fun if you can speak it. Many more doors are opened, and ladies legs for that matter too. I have save tons of more money in the long run as compared to what I paid for those lessons. Oh, and did I forget to mention endless fun!

[QUOTE=Mangera;2040401]I can understand guys getting together for the fun. That s all good, but I have a different perspective. Interestingly enough, I look for the total opposite when traveling to bunda land. I am not interested in babysitting and being a constant translator.[/QUOTE]Here, here! The one time I went on a mongering trip with a "wing man", it turned out to be a disaster! I thought it would be OK since we had actually gotten to know each other after meeting while mongering in another country. Guy turned out to me a needy pest with no language skills! And that was just the start of his issues, including being a drunkard! Anyway, he ended up dying several years ago in a Rio hotel room where and engagement ring was found. Yes, he was trying to wife up a tute. Since that time, never again have I sought or desired a wing man. The wrong one can ruin your trip, and especially an inexperienced one.

Now, I'm sure that plenty of you guys have had dood experiences with wing men. It's just that my first was no good, so I've just never done it again. I think it's like when I play tennis. In order for it to be a good experience, you need to be practicing with somebody who is pretty much at your same level, otherwise you really can't get a good match going. Same for mongering I think. If you are going to have a wing man, pick one who is about at your experience level so you don't have to handhold all the time!

Went to Solarium last night, first time in a few years, always out of the way but with Uber from hotel in Copacabana it was only are $13. Place is much better than I remembered. The facilities are excellent, rooms are a nice size and very friendly staff.

Got to the boate and which is pretty small but nice vibe. There were about 20 girls when I arrived at 9:30. Ranging from 7-9+ on looks IMO. May be one negra and 2 mulattas but no problem there are some beautiful 100% natural looking women and they are not aggressive. I took a carioca called Morena did not regret it one bit, and overall fantastic session. I would repeat but then there are a couple I need to come back for. I ran into some oldies but goodies "Gaucha" from Monte Carlo and "Nina" from T65. Supposedly there is a party next Tuesday and the promotion is 50% off entrance. One of the girls warned me not to come because the boate cannot really accommodate all the people that usually come on their party night. Entrada was are $110 and all in for 40 minutes is about are $500+. My bill was over are $600 with drinks. Saturday I will check out Centaurus.

Earlier in the day I stopped by the prives in Copa to scout. Eden weak line up, Delirio only 4 girls available at the time I went, Susy Oriental was weak both Estrella (4 x4) is there now.

I also checked out new prive in Copa affiliated with Bel Prazer and Dudas it is called COPA583 in same building as Eden there is a promotion until end of the month are $150 for an hour. I only saw 2 doable (Leticia and Isis). It is on the second floor cannot remember sala but ask porteiro.

[QUOTE=Safado69;2040635]Went to Solarium last night, first time in a few years, always out of the way but with Uber from hotel in Copacabana it was only are $13. Place is much better than I remembered. The facilities are excellent, rooms are a nice size and very friendly staff.[/QUOTE]Be sure to visit Cancun, actually the Whiskeria, Manhattan. When I go, I stick around awhile and have a few drinks since the girls come in and out of the termas upstairs. I sincerely questions some of the reports here of guys not seeing any girls worth doing. If a place is a dump, you get a bad vibe or overpriced, leave, but if you stop in a decent place -- Cancun has some of the best termas rooms in Rio -- and declare there is nothing to see, you are cheating yourself. I have had some outstanding experiences several times with 2+ girls, so there definitely are doable girls working there. Also, timing in everything. Be sure to go when two shifts overlap and keep in mind that sessions last 40+ minutes so the best girls might be in the rooms.

Any of you chaps know a good motel with all the trimmings (jacuzzi, sex shower etc) near copa. Fed up of paying 150-200 brl for a shit room late at night. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2040065]I had a great afternoon with a 20 year old negra -- a unicorn, that rare find, the semi-pro, as I met her a year ago in a prive. This girl is really a Ana foxxx look alike. I had some Ana foxxx porn playing, and she even said, she looks like me.

I had been kind of bummed as one mini-relationship has ended, but shame on me for thinking I could wife up a ho. I mean, who am I kidding?

But, the afternoon was just getting started. The minute she came into my room, I pulled those pants down and ate her black pussy, and she loved it. And I loved it.

The thing I loved is that she is clearly not working. Now. In fact, she's going to school, to university. She's that semi-pro, or retired minor league who never stayed in the biz. Good on her. So, I ate her pussy until her juices were flowing, and that deep dark black pussy got me super hard, and I whipped it out, and -- ta the -- bareback.

Now fucking a super hot 20 year old black girl bareback is pretty much all I need to be happy.

And so we fucked, and fucked, and fucked. Over the next 5 hours, I fucked her about 5 times, and blew three loads in that super slick pink pussy. We 69 ed, and man, she is great at that.

And then we fucked again.

Obviously, I am not passing out contacts; in fact, I've found that's a counter productive game here. But I will offer a general guide.

Getting the 18 year old number in the prives is the first step. Then get that girl back to the apartment. By the time 20 hits, the girls are in GDP middle age. If the girl was smart / strong enough to drop out early, good on her. And FWIW, I'm hanging up my calcinhas as they say. I'd rather wife up one 20 year old negra, maybe get a flat in niteroi, and make love like a young Hemingway with his Paris Wife.

And it all comes down to money. I gave her some money at the end. Maybe 250 r in various bills. Wish I could have given her more, as it was the best fuck I've had in a year. There's just nothing like bare back. And she's really pretty. The kissing was hot. Her nipples were pert and stuck out, perfect little A cups. But the thing about the money is she didn't ask for it. I offered it, and she didn't really say much about it. Contrast this with former mini relationships where every uber was on me. By contrast, this girl took the metro, etc. Went to class at university (hint hint, it might be better to spend as much time at universities when in Brazil as at termas). And seemed very happy with the 250. By contrast, the last mini relationship kind of went the way of the dinosaur because I wouldn't pay for an uber. OK, I get it that it's a security issue, but if that's the deal breaker, it wasn't much of a deal to begin with. The larger issue is that if a girl is selling her pussy, you really can't have a fully satisfying experience, at least in my book.

So, if it works out, my intent is that my mongering days are winding down. Having Ana foxxx sitting on my dick is a good way to go to monger heaven.[/QUOTE]I have to say I have been on that path for quite a while in Brasil.

With increased language and insight comes more normal opportunities and yes my ex VM semi pro is 19 year old negra sex machine who works with her aunt now.

Never asks for money-is happy to get some help.

Some of them refuse it. It does feel damn good-and we can still be generous.

Thats different level mongering.

I will always still hit up a T31,Afrodite once in a while but "normal"ish sex in Br can rival GDPs 100%.

My next trip in July will be 90% non pro with 2 semi's and a few new gdps at lower tier or vm. Mongering is still fun but it is what it is untill it isn't.

Some of gdps attitude takes the fun out of it -its understandable but gets to be a wind you after a while.

Mix it up I say. The average girl is just as freaky-and god bless Cupid.

[QUOTE=IAmYourFather5;2040680]Any of you chaps know a good motel with all the trimmings (jacuzzi, sex shower etc) near copa. Fed up of paying 150-200 brl for a shit room late at night. Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you don't mind a little ride then Panda Motel in Botafogo near favela Santa Marta is nice.

I don't know others well but someone chip in.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2040264]I speak pretty decent Spanish. Which is why I keep going g to Medellin. But not a drop of Portuguese. How much will it matter if I take a 2 week monger trip to Rio? Any suggestions for where to stay? I can handle 75-100 a night, though obviously less is better.
Any places in Rio that are like the Medellin Mansion? How safe is Rio at night. Obviously common sense applies, but is it more like Centro Medellin or Poblado where most of the action-thermas, massagems are? Is there a Monger Map for Rio?
[/QUOTE]Get a small pocket phrase book to help with Portuguese. You can find one at the library or buy one on amazon. It will help you a lot, especially if you already have decent Spanish. I used one on my first trip 11 years ago and it was a great help. In fact I have it here with me now.

Check out Airbnb for a place to stay. Lots of good deals. I stayed in a nice apt last week. It only cost $344 for 7 nights ($49 a night). Other option is to use something like hotels dot com.

If you like the mansion, you will probably like the Termas. A variety of girls in all shapes and sizes. Plenty of reports on here for intel.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2040734]If you don't mind a little ride then Panda Motel in Botafogo near favela Santa Marta is nice.

I don't know others well but someone chip in.[/QUOTE]Good man thanks.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2040010] ..... Centro needs a bit of life back in it. Thanks for the news. I'll try to make time to head down there next week, after the opening....
By the way, did a prive run today throughout all the places I could find in 13 de Maio 33 and 13 de Maio 47 -- just horrible choices. 1 doable girl in the bunch and that was only compared to the other options, after visiting about 15+ places. The other day I did the same scan in 185 and 156 Rio Branco and also came up empty -- not great choices.
-Cartman.[/QUOTE]You should have hit me up last week. I found 4 great girls at 3 different massagems in centro. All great service. The rest of the casas were not even close as far as talent.

[QUOTE=Combo;2040395] ..... Despite Rio not being what it was 10-15 years ago, I still encourage you to go. It's a fantastic destination. And if you're there for two weeks, you might as well spend some time in Sao Paulo. IMO that city has more crazy-hot-looking women than anywhere on Earth.[/QUOTE]Yep. I concur. Back in the day, I only went to Rio. Finally went to SP for the first time last year and had a great time. This trip was supposed to be 2 weeks (1 week in SP and 1 in Rio). But I'm having so much fun I decided to extend. Twice. I came to SP first for a week. Then went to Rio for 1 week. Extended another week in Rio. And now back at Sao Paulo for 1 more week. I like it here.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2040264]I speak pretty decent Spanish. Which is why I keep going g to Medellin. But not a drop of Portuguese. [/QUOTE]Here is a the phrase book you want.

I am a 22 year old Russian American, I am going to travel to Brazil in August for 6 months before going back to University to study for Portuguese. Russian translation. My objective is to fuck as many girls as possible while in Brazil. My level of Portuguese is advanced. I know I did not contribute to this forum, it is going to be my first time I ll travel outside the USA and Russia. My Questions: Which city can I get more white Brazilians? (Germans, Italians, Portuguese Spanish and Eastern European Brazilians) Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paulo? Most working girls are Morenas and Negras in Brazil? I can afford to pay maximum 500 reais per hour and fuck one woman per day for that price. (7 women per week). Brazilian women are as good as Russians and Americans in bed generally.

Thanks in advance.

Had a great pernoite with the maid. We were in a little flat in botafogo, but quite everything one wants -- wifi, HDTV, porn, felipe ret, weed (California vape), and we fucked for 4 hours before bed, then slept warmly in each others arms, then fucked another hour.

I crossed to niteroi into a homeaway flat to "get in my enemy's 6" -- my best girls are niteroi negras, and niteroi morenas, so going for the pernoite or persemana or permes arrangement.

Tuesday looking at a centro run for 65, PM for deets, send your whatsapp.

Paid 300 for the pernoite, but discussed paying her like 1000 per week to live with me in a flat in buzios and to train me up to brazilian pornstar standards.

I think the moved to niteroi, which is kind of the inner wall of the vagina that is guanabara bay, if copacobana is the flapping labia, is a good one. Cuts out the objection of the uber ida e volta, and probably lowers my cost per fuck, and my #1 negra, BBFS is here; as is #2, the wife, which is touch and go, and #3, the maid; and #4 a new pick from 4*4; and hit me up on PM, I will restart a Zap group for further bunda patrols vicinity Brazil.

Vagabundo sends.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2040734]If you don't mind a little ride then Panda Motel in Botafogo near favela Santa Marta is nice.

I don't know others well but someone chip in.[/QUOTE]Panda is for me far out the best. I have been in presidential suite several times. Just amazing. Food is good, and rest is spectacular. Don't remember what I paid for that suite. 12 hours though.

[QUOTE=BrancasPutas;2040990]I am a 22 year old Russian American, I am going to travel to Brazil in August for 6 months before going back to University to study for Portuguese. Russian translation. My objective is to fuck as many girls as possible while in Brazil. My level of Portuguese is advanced. I know I did not contribute to this forum, it is going to be my first time I ll travel outside the USA and Russia. My Questions: Which city can I get more white Brazilians? (Germans, Italians, Portuguese Spanish and Eastern European Brazilians) Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paulo? Most working girls are Morenas and Negras in Brazil? I can afford to pay maximum 500 reais per hour and fuck one woman per day for that price. (7 women per week). Brazilian women are as good as Russians and Americans in bed generally.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Sao Paulo probably has a little more European descent people than Rio. And the thing is with 20+ million people, Sao Paulo has pretty much any flavor of chica that you could want.

If you really want to concentrate on white looking chicas, you should go to the South of Brazil. Porto Alegre, Florianapolous, etc. Almost all Euro descent people.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2041122]Had a great pernoite with the maid. We were in a little flat in botafogo, but quite everything one wants -- wifi, HDTV, porn, felipe ret ..... [/QUOTE]Nice. I love hitting on the maids and fucking them (when I stayed in hotels more often). Had 1 in Cocoa Beach, San Antonio, DR, Costa Rica (after the deed she asked for some money though. Gave her $40 USD) and Thailand (no surprise there-500 baht/15 USD). The first 2 were just hot for it, especially the one in San Antonio. Had her 3x. It was Great when she would knock and say room service.
Keep up the great work in Rio!

[QUOTE=BrancasPutas;2040990]I am a 22 year old Russian American, I am going to travel to Brazil in August for 6 months before going back to University to study for Portuguese. Russian translation. My objective is to fuck as many girls as possible while in Brazil. My level of Portuguese is advanced. I know I did not contribute to this forum, it is going to be my first time I ll travel outside the USA and Russia. My Questions: Which city can I get more white Brazilians? (Germans, Italians, Portuguese Spanish and Eastern European Brazilians) Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paulo? Most working girls are Morenas and Negras in Brazil? I can afford to pay maximum 500 reais per hour and fuck one woman per day for that price. (7 women per week). Brazilian women are as good as Russians and Americans in bed generally.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Go to South Brazil, Parana, you will find exactly what you are looking for. At 22, you will have pussy thrown at you all day every day, you won't have to worry about spending 500 reais a day on females.

I was in the city center of Rio last Monday and ended up going to check this girl a friend told me about. Petite, blonde hair, fake ass which she exaggerated a bit on the silicone, gym girl, and the most important: into bareback fucking. Finished inside her pussy 3 times, although she was asking me to cum in her mouth, took turns between her ass and pussy and even got an ass to mouth play a little. This girl is a true freak. Mel is her name.

When the session finished I was talking to her about an orgy with her and maybe two or three other girls, if she knew any into BBFS, she changed subject maybe not to lose her client, but I will check this out later.

Headed to Vila Mimosa this Friday after having some beers with friends in Lapa, and it's simply dead. The good sluts are gone, so all you can find there now are lazy girls interested only in the money and not giving you a good service. Tried to Mosaica for a quick nut and ended up fucking a girl which ended being not so good, although there are still some talent there, just need to find the right fuck.

It's been kinda hard to find girls into bareback here in Rio. It's a shame.

[QUOTE=SuperBuilder2;2041134]Panda is for me far out the best. I have been in presidential suite several times. Just amazing. Food is good, and rest is spectacular. Don't remember what I paid for that suite. 12 hours though.[/QUOTE]There was a fire at the motel yesterday I had plans to go fortunately I had a back up which was VIPS Motel near Vidigal amazing views, highly recommended if you want to impress that special GPD. Someone had posted about it here some time before.

[URL]http://g1.globo.com/rio-de-janeiro/noticia/2016/05/carro-pega-fogo-dentro-de-motel-em-botafogo-na-zona-sul-do-rio.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.vipsmotel.com.br[/URL]

[QUOTE=AndreSingle;2041195]Headed to Vila Mimosa this Friday after having some beers with friends in Lapa, and it's simply dead. The good sluts are gone, so all you can find there now are lazy girls interested only in the money and not giving you a good service. Tried to Mosaica for a quick nut and ended up fucking a girl which ended being not so good, although there are still some talent there, just need to find the right fuck.

It's been kinda hard to find girls into bareback here in Rio. It's a shame.[/QUOTE]Andre do you speak Portuguese? When Gringos don't speak Portuguese it is very difficult to interact with girls. Speaking Portuguese is easier to deal with Brazilian girls. For non Portuguese speakers and even for Portuguese speakers, high end termas are better. You can also pick their numbers after sessioning. Mosaic is very stressful, you really need to have a good command of Portuguese.

[QUOTE=AndreSingle;2041195]Headed to Vila Mimosa ...
It's been kinda hard to find girls into bareback here in Rio. It's a shame.[/QUOTE]
Barebacking in VM? Among the 850'000 people in Brazil living with HIV, a bunch of them propably works at VM. There is propably no more risky place in Brazil to bareback than VM.

There will be a new direction in Aeroporto terma from Thursday.

I meant new management, I am not good at translating, new management from Thursday in Aeroporto.

[URL]https://forumx.com.br/viewtopic.php?f=152&t=13439&start=98[/URL]

[QUOTE=Komo753;2041301]Andre do you speak Portuguese? When Gringos don't speak Portuguese it is very difficult to interact with girls. Speaking Portuguese is easier to deal with Brazilian girls. For non Portuguese speakers and even for Portuguese speakers, high end termas are better. You can also pick their numbers after sessioning. Mosaic is very stressful, you really need to have a good command of Portuguese.[/QUOTE]I do, I am Brazilian, and I have been in the game for a quite long time. Its weird cause lately I have met girls not into sessioning outside their workplace. Back in the day I have fucked a few for free though.

It's always nice when Ana foxxx takes two creampies in her pussy in the afternoon and the wife takes a pair of bareback loads at bedtime.

Thinking of visiting Rio again. I use to visit between 2006 thru 2010. What are the night life options to find girls?

I went to the re-opening. Entrance was waived as well as first two drinks. There were approximately 20 girls. The place is huge and renovated. There is a main boate, a secondary one on another floor and also a wiskeria. As far as the talent level, I saw some oldies that migrated from Aeroporto or who were prior T65 girls. Talent was not very high but expected for the first day. I don't know time will tell. Price list attached below. This past week and memorial day weekend has been really good for the Termas, so far my experiences at Solarium, Centaurus and 4 x4 have been top notch and worth every penny. Cancun was weak last Thursday when I went and also Monte Carlo was a lot better but not quite like before feels like it is missing something.

[QUOTE=Safado69;2041895]I went to the re-opening. Entrance was waived as well as first two drinks. There were approximately 20 girls. The place is huge and renovated. There is a main boate, a secondary one on another floor and also a wiskeria. As far as the talent level, I saw some oldies that migrated from Aeroporto or who were prior T65 girls. Talent was not very high but expected for the first day. I don't know time will tell. Price list attached below. This past week and memorial day weekend has been really good for the Termas, so far my experiences at Solarium, Centaurus and 4 x4 have been top notch and worth every penny. Cancun was weak last Thursday when I went and also Monte Carlo was a lot better but not quite like before feels like it is missing something.[/QUOTE]The price is only for the rooms and massage? How much for the girls? I don't really understand the price list.

[QUOTE=AndreSingle;2041659]I do, I am Brazilian, and I have been in the game for a quite long time. Its weird cause lately I have met girls not into sessioning outside their workplace. Back in the day I have fucked a few for free though.[/QUOTE]OK the problem is not from you, VM is known not to be good, mosaic is only good when there are less dudes, I prefer Sunday if I find a girl I like or early any day like 9 pm, VM is just good to visit.

[QUOTE=BrazilKing;2041692]Thinking of visiting Rio again. I use to visit between 2006 thru 2010. What are the night life options to find girls?[/QUOTE]What places did you frequent when you used to visit Rio back in 2006 thru 2010? Especially 2010 where did you go?

[QUOTE=Komo753;2041912]The price is only for the rooms and massage? How much for the girls? I don't really understand the price list.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately the list shown has "American Dollar Prices" which in and of itself says T65 is going to be too pricey. I wish he has posted BRL pricing. I am planning to go check it out this week and will see what I can learn.

I believe the "massage" fee on the list is the girl fee (programa) and the rent fee is the room fee. The entrada is not listed, but would be separate.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2042336]Unfortunately the list shown has "American Dollar Prices" which in and of itself says T65 is going to be too pricey. I wish he has posted BRL pricing. I am planning to go check it out this week and will see what I can learn.

I believe the "massage" fee on the list is the girl fee (programa) and the rent fee is the room fee. The entrada is not listed, but would be separate.[/QUOTE]If it is dollar US I wonder who will pay with dollars? Brazilians? Because there are less gringos that go to Rio, most of them are from Europe, they will go to casa de cambio to change reais just to go to T65. For that price better to go to Cancun and 4 x 4. Aeroporto and T65 are known to have shitty service. I think this terma will be dead like New help and aeroporto. If it is as you say, I think there will be more empty temas that will open in Rio with no client. Most guys are Brazilians and there are very few gringos in the centro.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2042336]Unfortunately the list shown has "American Dollar Prices" which in and of itself says T65 is going to be too pricey. I wish he has posted BRL pricing. I am planning to go check it out this week and will see what I can learn.

I believe the "massage" fee on the list is the girl fee (programa) and the rent fee is the room fee. The entrada is not listed, but would be separate.[/QUOTE]I think entrada is 50 reais with 2 local drinks.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2042412]I think entrada is 50 reais with 2 local drinks.[/QUOTE]What a pathetic idea to post in US $. This place is doomed.

Thats beyond naive to think a place on centro will become the shrinking amount of well-off gringoes' new fave spot.

T65's business was always Brazilian businessmen, politicians, docs, lawyers.

I always thought it was sterile and boring-like a worse Cancun-uppity and bland.

Lets see if it has changed.

They shoud have gone way more mainstream and cheaper-invite punters-don't scare them off.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2042566]What a pathetic idea to post in US $. This place is doomed.

Thats beyond naive to think a place on centro will become the shrinking amount of well-off gringoes' new fave spot.

T65's business was always Brazilian businessmen, politicians, docs, lawyers.

I always thought it was sterile and boring-like a worse Cancun-uppity and bland.

Lets see if it has changed.

They shoud have gone way more mainstream and cheaper-invite punters-don't scare them off.[/QUOTE]Na segunda-feira estive lá e paguei are $433,00 tudo (com bebidas, etc. , mas só bebi duas coca-colas e mais uma bebida que a garota pediu). Fiquei 1 h na cabine simples, que tem cama e chuveiro dentro do quarto. That's a post from a guy that went to T65.

Here is the translation: Monday I was there and I paid 433 Reais altogether (with drinks etc, but I only drank two cokes and also offer one drink to a girl that asked me). I stayed 1 hour in a simple cabine, there is one bed and one shower inside the room.

As we can see, It is very pricey just for a simple room, in Cancun you only pay 330 with 70 reais consumption and 360 in 4 por 4 with 50 reais entrance waved if you session before 6 pm. Many talents are not top in t65 even in the Brazilian forum they are saying that.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2041912]The price is only for the rooms and massage? How much for the girls? I don't really understand the price list.[/QUOTE]Apologies the photo of the card was in error. There were actually two sides one in USD and the other in BRs. I thought I captured and posted both.

My understanding is that although the clientele may be the business crowd they are not shooting to be the highest price terma in Centro like they were in the past, for obvious reasons that's why they failed. A 40 minute program at 4 x4 is approximately $105 (340) and at T65 it is $110. Both scenarios with waived entrance.

As Cartman correctly pointed out the "massage" line item is the price of the girl.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2040339]I don't pay my employees for each way of their commute to work. We agree on their salary, and then they figure out how the fuck to get to the office to earn their salary. Sure, some get by-law transportation expense reimbursement, but it comes with a salary deduction. Same rule for ho's. Don't quote me BRL $400 and then ask me to pay your uber or taxi. I had a girl ask me for taxi money back to Niteroi while she was holidng BRL $1200 in her hand from her activities (other story). I laughed at her and basically said in portuguese, "are you fucking kidding me?"

Put the foot down, gents. Don't be that thirsty guy.[/QUOTE]Totally agree this Uber thing is a disturbing trend, girls are not building it in their price and taking advantage of the convenience. They quote Uber separately. Had to cancel at least 3 meetings because of the shenanigans. These chicks are over valuing themselves and do not realize we have options. I can see on a rare occasion that if her performance was exceptional and needed uber / taxi back home fine but she earned it. But to come to work no way!

So first two nights of the week banged the wife bareback, pernoite.

Then Ana Foxxx showed for a pernoite quarta so I put the wife on hold and did pernoite bareback, 3 creampies, just like marathon jungle fucking. She's a real college student, packs her cute little bookback in the morning. Shows up at 19 h, hangs out, watches movies. The best part of a pernoite is the early evening, fucking, smoking, watching Netflix. Repeat, entrega. Swim.

Oh yeah, dammit, I need a pool again, or better yet a beach in Cabo Frio or Buzios!

[QUOTE=Komo753;2042572]Na segunda-feira estive l e paguei are $433,00 tudo (com bebidas, etc. , mas s bebi duas coca-colas e mais uma bebida que a garota pediu). Fiquei 1 h na cabine simples, que tem cama e chuveiro dentro do quarto. That's a post from a guy that went to T65.

Here is the translation: Monday I was there and I paid 433 Reais altogether (with drinks etc, but I only drank two cokes and also offer one drink to a girl that asked me). I stayed 1 hour in a simple cabine, there is one bed and one shower inside the room.

As we can see, It is very pricey just for a simple room, in Cancun you only pay 330 with 70 reais consumption and 360 in 4 por 4 with 50 reais entrance waved if you session before 6 pm. Many talents are not top in t65 even in the Brazilian forum they are saying that.[/QUOTE]Attached are the latest prices for the Centro Tier 1 termas. Just going by 40 minute program 390 in T65,380 in Cancun and 340 in 4 x4.

[QUOTE=Safado69;2042794]Attached are the latest prices for the Centro Tier 1 termas. Just going by 40 minute program 390 in T65,380 in Cancun and 340 in 4 x4.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the list, you mean 310 for Cancun?

[QUOTE=Safado69;2042794]Attached are the latest prices for the Centro Tier 1 termas. Just going by 40 minute program 390 in T65,380 in Cancun and 340 in 4 x4.[/QUOTE]T65 40 minutes = BRL 320 . Plus there was a BRL 70 entrada that goes to consumption, at least there was this week. The entrada / consumption isn't shown on the price list.

Girl quality and quantity was sparse this Thursday night, 4th night after the reopening, which is a problem. If they don't quickly up the quality and quantity of girls, it's not going to last long.

Lots of previous T65 workers who are getting long in the tooth, and ex-Barbarella doughy-bodied older chicks (30+).

I gave them this feedback but you know how much good that did.
By the way, the difference between the Super Suite vs Suite, as explained to me: Super Suite is bigger and has 2 separate beds, and a little "garden" area in the suite with some plants. Same in-suite shower (and toilet?) as the regular suite.
Remodel looks good but cheap in some places. Sauna remains the best sauna (steam room) in Rio termas, to my taste. Having a schvitz after sessioning, while waiting for your wingman to finish, is always a good time.

By the way, Playground at Rua Buenos Aires 20 is actually much better at night than during the day. Last week it has 4 girls during the day. At night this week I saw 10-15 and at least 3 of them were doable. BRL 20 minimum consumption charge. I believe they waive the minimum if you session and only charge you for what you actually drink. 40 minute session was BRL 200. Rooms are nice, with in-suite full bathroom. Thumbs up. Anyone walking around between T65,4 x4, and 502 should pop in as it is RIGHT there.

-Cartman.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2043100]T65 40 minutes = BRL 320 . Plus there was a BRL 70 entrada that goes to consumption, at least there was this week. The entrada / consumption isn't shown on the price list.

Girl quality and quantity was sparse this Thursday night, 4th night after the reopening, which is a problem. If they don't quickly up the quality and quantity of girls, it's not going to last long.

Lots of previous T65 workers who are getting long in the tooth, and ex-Barbarella doughy-bodied older chicks (30+).

I gave them this feedback but you know how much good that did.
By the way, the difference between the Super Suite vs Suite, as explained to me: Super Suite is bigger and has 2 separate beds, and a little "garden" area in the suite with some plants. Same in-suite shower (and toilet?) as the regular suite.
Remodel looks good but cheap in some places. Sauna remains the best sauna (steam room) in Rio termas, to my taste. Having a schvitz after sessioning, while waiting for your wingman to finish, is always a good time.

By the way, Playground at Rua Buenos Aires 20 is actually much better at night than during the day. Last week it has 4 girls during the day. At night this week I saw 10-15 and at least 3 of them were doable. BRL 20 minimum consumption charge. I believe they waive the minimum if you session and only charge you for what you actually drink. 40 minute session was BRL 200. Rooms are nice, with in-suite full bathroom. Thumbs up. Anyone walking around between T65,4 x4, and 502 should pop in as it is RIGHT there.

-Cartman.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, the report is now clear.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2043100]T65 40 minutes = BRL 320 . Plus there was a BRL 70 entrada that goes to consumption, at least there was this week. The entrada / consumption isn't shown on the price list.

Girl quality and quantity was sparse this Thursday night, 4th night after the reopening, which is a problem. If they don't quickly up the quality and quantity of girls, it's not going to last long.

Lots of previous T65 workers who are getting long in the tooth, and ex-Barbarella doughy-bodied older chicks (30+).

I gave them this feedback but you know how much good that did.
By the way, the difference between the Super Suite vs Suite, as explained to me: Super Suite is bigger and has 2 separate beds, and a little "garden" area in the suite with some plants. Same in-suite shower (and toilet?) as the regular suite.
Remodel looks good but cheap in some places. Sauna remains the best sauna (steam room) in Rio termas, to my taste. Having a schvitz after sessioning, while waiting for your wingman to finish, is always a good time.

By the way, Playground at Rua Buenos Aires 20 is actually much better at night than during the day. Last week it has 4 girls during the day. At night this week I saw 10-15 and at least 3 of them were doable. BRL 20 minimum consumption charge. I believe they waive the minimum if you session and only charge you for what you actually drink. 40 minute session was BRL 200. Rooms are nice, with in-suite full bathroom. Thumbs up. Anyone walking around between T65,4 x4, and 502 should pop in as it is RIGHT there.

-Cartman.[/QUOTE]Good report!

Made to Rio. So sad to leave Belo Horizonte. I will make sure to visit everytime I come to Brazil. Here is what I did.

Rua do ouvidor sala 707.

Three girls to morenas and one branca. Boxes body shape. Looked older wasnt interested and left.

President Vargas 482 sala 1514.

Nothing there. Seen on old post.

Rua the Caricoa 59.

9 girls in total. Mostly pretas. From ugly to fat to about one doable with an ok ass. $30 reais for 20 minutes. Did not session.

Avenida treze de maio 33/ sala 313,1205, 2001.

About 12 girls total. Mix of a few young ones and old ones (1205). Massage bed set up in some. Make shift walls and all. Mix of skin colors. Not enough ass for me. No session. Prices range from 40-100 reais from what I was told me each mamasan. I was also told there was another location on the 33 floor but I didn't go.

Avenida treze de maio 47/ sala 508,610, 1006,1007.

The numbers maybe of on the apartments but the floor is correct. Girls here were young and darker her. There was a skinny pretty face one in 1006 I think that's the number. About 15-16 girls in total. I did not session. Quoted $50-90 reais at these places.

Rua Uruguaiana 24.

Disco lit staircase with multiple bars in between. Most of the girls were Pretas. Not many older girls. From skinny to fat to average. One moreno had some big titties. When you walk up the steps the girls stand in front of the bar if they are not occupied and some stand on the staircase. They are very aggressive. I was quite $30 reais most of the time. The girl I sessioned with convinced me to pay $59 reais with anal included. I should have kept the $20 reais. Her pussy was tighter than her ass. Pretty face, nice medium ttites and a medium bubble that fit her frame.

Mabs.

Less than 20 girls there. About two minutes after being dropped off by Uber, I was ready to go. Two older women late 20's early 30's approached me and said $250 for both for an hour. I told I will pass but thanks for the invite. Left shortly afterwards.

Vila Mimosa.

I sessioned quite a few times here. The last time I was here was almost two years ago and when I went there were alot of girls there that were decent and had fat asses. This time was different. Decent and big asses were far in between. Nonetheless I made the best out of it. Prices all started at $65 reais. But I talked a few down to $50 reais. All in all a good day and night. Still wish I was in Belo Horizonte though.

Wow Rio isn't what it's supposed to be? Sao Paulo has much better though much more expensive (and less expensive options). Villa Mimosa is probably the "best" but it's pretty damn trashy and the pickings are few and far between, quite far, have nothing to add on the prices as those have been previously reported. The termas have a lot of older obviously single mom types, loads. As a city, centro, the night life in Lapa doesn't have many dance clubs and feels like a back water than anything modern. There's not much action in and around Copa. Rio beach area (EG, Copa) is really an old folks retirement community. Ocean's cold now. The people seem rather apathetic and the girls are doing first or 2nd wave feminism. I have met some awesome girls in Brazil just not in Rio.

I'll stop the harping and just ask for any other recommendations in Brazil. I've been to Salvador and that's a hard place to pick up. Someone mentioned Parana? Like Curitiba or Floripa? Belo?

[QUOTE=JakePeacock;2043823]Wow Rio isn't what it's supposed to be? Sao Paulo has much better though much more expensive (and less expensive options). Villa Mimosa is probably the "best" but it's pretty damn trashy and the pickings are few and far between, quite far, have nothing to add on the prices as those have been previously reported. The termas have a lot of older obviously single mom types, loads. As a city, centro, the night life in Lapa doesn't have many dance clubs and feels like a back water than anything modern. There's not much action in and around Copa. Rio beach area (EG, Copa) is really an old folks retirement community. Ocean's cold now. The people seem rather apathetic and the girls are doing first or 2nd wave feminism. I have met some awesome girls in Brazil just not in Rio.

I'll stop the harping and just ask for any other recommendations in Brazil. I've been to Salvador and that's a hard place to pick up. Someone mentioned Parana? Like Curitiba or Floripa? Belo?[/QUOTE]Centro has tons of spots. Prives and boates. Rio has more spots than Sao Paulo. Sao Paulo spots are spread out, in Rio at Centro you can walk to 20 different spots.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2044336]Centro has tons of spots. Prives and boates. Rio has more spots than Sao Paulo. Sao Paulo spots are spread out, in Rio at Centro you can walk to 20 different spots.[/QUOTE]How do I get a good list of spots to visit in Centro? I want to go down in either July or August of this year and I need some guidance. Outside of the main termas (4 x 4, Monte Carlo, Cancun) I need some help.

Also what are some night time options besides Barbarellas and Mabs?

(by the way my name should say former Brazil king since I haven't been in some years!

[QUOTE=RioBob;2042261]What places did you frequent when you used to visit Rio back in 2006 thru 2010? Especially 2010 where did you go?[/QUOTE]Club Help, Meia Pataca, and Karlas Models. We spent all day in the termas and then we to Meia Pataca and Club Help at night. What's available now?

[QUOTE=BrazilKing;2044352]How do I get a good list of spots to visit in Centro? I want to go down in either July or August of this year and I need some guidance. Outside of the main termas (4 x 4, Monte Carlo, Cancun) I need some help.

Also what are some night time options besides Barbarellas and Mabs?

(by the way my name should say former Brazil king since I haven't been in some years![/QUOTE]No real night time spots, that I know of. Just read Global00 post. He gave the addresses to a few spots. Once you walk around Centro to find the ones he listed, you will finds other also.

Could someone explain how Tinder works in Rio? How do you meet GDPs off the website? I have never used the app before, so I am not sure how you use it.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2044449]Could someone explain how Tinder works in Rio? How do you meet GDPs off the website? I have never used the app before, so I am not sure how you use it.[/QUOTE]Tinder works in Rio like everywhere else. The app is free to use, but you are geo-locked to your actual area (where you are), whereas with the paid version you can search in other cities. You have to connect it to your Facebook account, I believe, to "verify" yourself and link profile pics / other pics and info from FB (including age).

After extensive use, I'd say at least 1/3 of the girls (at least the hot ones) in Rio on Tinder are GDPs. If you're looking for GDPs, there are better ways to find them. If you're looking to use Tinder for civilians, it's a bit annoying actually. The hardest part of Tinder is getting girls to plan to meet up. This may be a Rio thing. I know Larry David (I think) told me he was using it in SP and having a lot of success scheduling lunch meet-ups. My experience in Rio is, match with 20 girls, write to 10 who look OK after further review, hear back from 3, ultimately make plans to go out with 1-2 and then they flake / reschedule.

Perhaps you will have better luck. Please report back!

[QUOTE=BrazilKing;2044352]How do I get a good list of spots to visit in Centro? I want to go down in either July or August of this year and I need some guidance. Outside of the main termas (4 x 4, Monte Carlo, Cancun) I need some help.

Also what are some night time options besides Barbarellas and Mabs?

(by the way my name should say former Brazil king since I haven't been in some years![/QUOTE]Night time options in Centro are Sub Solo from 11 pm -04 am Rio Branco. American bar round the corner form subsolo. Florida Bar praca maua. (gents? VM. Mosaico.

Anyone have a good driver in Rio? I'll be in Copa area.

Anyone know how much condos are going for in the Copacabana area?

I looked at Century 21 and the cheapest 2 bd I found was $110 US.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2044489]Tinder works in Rio like everywhere else. The app is free to use, but you are geo-locked to your actual area (where you are), whereas with the paid version you can search in other cities. You have to connect it to your Facebook account, I believe, to "verify" yourself and link profile pics / other pics and info from FB (including age).

After extensive use, I'd say at least 1/3 of the girls (at least the hot ones) in Rio on Tinder are GDPs. If you're looking for GDPs, there are better ways to find them. If you're looking to use Tinder for civilians, it's a bit annoying actually. The hardest part of Tinder is getting girls to plan to meet up. This may be a Rio thing. I know Larry David (I think) told me he was using it in SP and having a lot of success scheduling lunch meet-ups.....[/QUOTE]Yeah, I used it last time I was here. It worked for me, but it took some work as it's a dating app and non-pros take some work. Especially on a dating app. Used it when I was on the states and lots of flakes, sugar babies and a few pros. Tons of fake profiles in the states. Here (SP), sipe right on all you would be willing to bang. Of the few who like you back, show some personality and charm. My best pull from tinder was a sweet, normal girl from a good family (no crims or GDPs) who is half my age. It's become an LTR. Not really sure I want that in the land of ass, especially when she consumes the whole weekend! Be careful what you wish for.

My experience with tinder girls is they are looking for boyfriend material. One girl managed to see me at a concert with another girl and that was it for her. You can probably use tinder for the hookup girls. But I didn't find them. Good luck!

[QUOTE=LarryDavid;2044698]Yeah, I used it last time I was here. It worked for me, but it took some work as it's a dating app and non-pros take some work. Especially on a dating app. Used it when I was on the states and lots of flakes, sugar babies and a few pros. Tons of fake profiles in the states. Here (SP), sipe right on all you would be willing to bang. Of the few who like you back, show some personality and charm. My best pull from tinder was a sweet, normal girl from a good family (no crims or GDPs) who is half my age. It's become an LTR. Not really sure I want that in the land of ass, especially when she consumes the whole weekend! Be careful what you wish for.

My experience with tinder girls is they are looking for boyfriend material. One girl managed to see me at a concert with another girl and that was it for her. You can probably use tinder for the hookup girls. But I didn't find them. Good luck![/QUOTE]I used tinder in Russia and Czech Republic and I am now using tinder in Japan, I met many girls that are not pro, I never used tinder in Brazil. Tinder in the USA and Canada is a total joke. I also used tinder in Spain and Portugal where I met few girls.

The problem is not the application, it depends where you are located. Many people often judge the application.

I know someone that has had good experience with tinder in Brazil. It is easy to meet up with Brazilian regulars if you speak Portuguese.

[QUOTE=BrazilKing;2044623]Anyone have a good driver in Rio? I'll be in Copa area.[/QUOTE]If a non english speaking driver is ok, I have an excellent driver. Send a PM if interested.

[QUOTE=BrazilKing;2044626]Anyone know how much condos are going for in the Copacabana area?

I looked at Century 21 and the cheapest 2 bd I found was $110 US.[/QUOTE]AirBnb is big in Rio and has a ton of apartment available.

[QUOTE=BrazilKing;2044623]Anyone have a good driver in Rio? I'll be in Copa area.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I have a English speaking driver in Rio. Also if you need help with any other requests. Just PM for info and his number.

Hollywood Massagens. Rua do Ouvidor 130, sala 707.

This is a cheap prive on the 7th floor in a commercial building. Only one girl available on arrival, two other ones that were in session. Was offered to wait around but opted to go right away with Mel. 50 reais for 20 minutes. Blonde girl with braces and fairly nice body, very fit ass. BBBJ that was not that great. Saw the rest of the girls leaving the place and no regrets for picking Mel, she was the best looking one.

Went on to Rua Carioca 59. A real trash puteiro. Three or four floors in a walkup with girls standing outside of their cabins trying to lure you in. This place is beyond discusting, tiny cabins with bedlinens that are probably not changed more often than once a month. Picked Perola that looks to be around 18-19. Very petite mulata, kind of cute facially and good attitude. Would only do doggy style in this place. Not adviceable to even touch those beds. 22 reais for 20 minutes. Pretty awesome value for money to meet such a cute girl at that price point that could easily work in a much nicer place.

Mr Enternational,

I am not scared to say no if the lady is not fuckable, most Thai women are prostitutes, they will never say they are pro. I don't only deal with hookers but I know the difference between a hooker and a normal chick. Maybe your experience is different, I know many guys that went to Thailand, they got ripped off by many girls.

I just give you two examples, I met two girls in vidigal Rio de Janeiro in a forro show, they had no place to sleep, I fucked two girls for free just because they want a place to sleep I did not give any money, I just offered my place, they acted like hookers for me because they went with me just because they needed a place to sleep. There are normal chicks that also act like hookers. I fucked a white chick from San Francisco in Japan, I met her 2 weeks ago, the way how she acted she acted like a hooker. Because she needed a place to stay in Tokyo because she needed to keep money for her next trips to other Asian countries, she was short of money. Her objective was to stay in Asia as long as possible, she was short of money. Accommodation is very expensive in Tokyo she did not want to spend money on places to stay, she stayed one week in my place before leaving for Korea. Many normal women are not hookers but they act like hookers sometimes.

I know money is not going to buy love. When I pay a woman I don't want stay with her after finishing fucking her. I never stay more than one night with the same woman when I pay, I like to pay different women and fulfil all my fantasies.

Maybe you speak the local language or you get by in their local language, you know how to deal with them, so it is different as I said many guys got ripped off in Thailand.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2044489]After extensive use, I'd say at least 1/3 of the girls (at least the hot ones) in Rio on Tinder are GDPs. If you're looking for GDPs, there are better ways to find them. If you're looking to use Tinder for civilians, it's a bit annoying actually. The hardest part of Tinder is getting girls to plan to meet up. This may be a Rio thing. I know Larry David (I think) told me he was using it in SP and having a lot of success scheduling lunch meet-ups. My experience in Rio is, match with 20 girls, write to 10 who look OK after further review, hear back from 3, ultimately make plans to go out with 1-2 and then they flake / reschedule.[/QUOTE]The Cariocas, both women and men, have a reputation for flaking and not following through on engagements. Quite a bit has been written about how visitors will meet the locals, get an invitation and then there's no follow-through. No shows, no return phone calls, etc.

Gentlemen, I will be visiting Rio for the first time in 2 weeks. I would appreciate if anyone can assist with following info?

1) Any clubs with freelancers?

2) Is there an option to Bar fine girl and take out to hotel?

3) Is taking out girl for long term LT available in Any club or outside available?

[QUOTE=AndyKhan;2045974]Gentlemen, I will be visiting Rio for the first time in 2 weeks. I would appreciate if anyone can assist with following info?

1) Any clubs with freelancers?

2) Is there an option to Bar fine girl and take out to hotel?

3) Is taking out girl for long term LT available in Any club or outside available?[/QUOTE]1) there are many clubs with freelancers in Copacabana next to Leme.

2) some bars do and some bars don't do, Ex bar fine in Casablanca is 100 reais, in Barbarella is 90 reais I think, there is no bar fine in Calabria and Dolce Vita. Mab is a restaurant with many freelancers too.

3) yes it is.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2046007]1) there are many clubs with freelancers in Copacabana next to Leme.

2) some bars do and some bars don't do, Ex bar fine in Casablanca is 100 reais, in Barbarella is 90 reais I think, there is no bar fine in Calabria and Dolce Vita. Mab is a restaurant with many freelancers too.

3) yes it is.[/QUOTE]Thanks for reply.

1) what should be an approximately reais I should be expecting for a nice freelancer for LT (Long term).

2) Any names of the bars with LT or ST freelancers?

3) Any chica friendly nice hotel close to these bars?

Gentlemen, I deeply and humbly appreciate your help. You guys are top star.

If anyone can also point me to complete report of all bars that would be grateful. Since I am new I see only few famous bars in the threads. My apologies.

Gentlemen,

Very quick question.

I am planning on visiting Rio in next 2 weeks. Would you recommend Rio or Philippines (Angeles & Manilla) for mongering?

Sorry for asking this silly question. Appreciate your comment.

[QUOTE=AndyKhan;2046245]Thanks for reply.

1) what should be an approximately reais I should be expecting for a nice freelancer for LT (Long term).

2) Any names of the bars with LT or ST freelancers?

3) Any chica friendly nice hotel close to these bars?

Gentlemen, I deeply and humbly appreciate your help. You guys are top star.

If anyone can also point me to complete report of all bars that would be grateful. Since I am new I see only few famous bars in the threads. My apologies.[/QUOTE]Andy RTFF. Search for Bubba's guide. It has all info you need in one place.

[QUOTE=AndyKhan;2046245]Thanks for reply.

1) what should be an approximately reais I should be expecting for a nice freelancer for LT (Long term).

2) Any names of the bars with LT or ST freelancers?

3) Any chica friendly nice hotel close to these bars?

Gentlemen, I deeply and humbly appreciate your help. You guys are top star.

If anyone can also point me to complete report of all bars that would be grateful. Since I am new I see only few famous bars in the threads. My apologies.[/QUOTE]If you don't speak Portuguese, It will be more difficult to deal with freelancers, because the price is not fixed, you can easy get ripped of by them especially if you are a newcomer. My advice is to go to some termas and have some sessions with girls before inviting them in your place. Freelancers are miss or hit. Some people may pay 200 reais all night and some people may pay 400 reais one hour for the same girl. The communication is important.

A) Use Airbnb, there are many apartments that are girl friendly the prices depend on owners, taxes are often added and rate change.

B) I know some owners that rent out apartments, You only pay when you arrive in Brazil, the apartments are girl friendly and next to the actions. One month stay prices vary from 1500 to 6000 reais. It depends if it is one room, two room, three room or 4 room bedroom apartment, opposite or not opposite the beach. Most apartments are in Copacabana next to actions.

C) live in a love motel because it is already girl friendly but it is more costly than Apartments.

Hotels are not girl friendly unless you registered a woman in advance, most hotels don't like hookers especially the ones next to the actions. There are some hotels that accept but you must pay additional price.

[QUOTE=MSClive;2046283]Andy RTFF. Search for Bubba's guide. It has all info you need in one place.[/QUOTE]I think Bubba's guide is outdated. Many things changed in Rio since his last report.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2046520]I think Bubba's guide is outdated. Many things changed in Rio since his last report.[/QUOTE]While some info in the guide is outdated, any first timer to Brazil should read it before coming. Better to read an old guide than no guide at all. Especially when threads are full of questions about specific escorts, comparisons of Brasilieras to Asians, and other oddities.

The smart monger will want to get a sense of the land without the rest of us shouting RTFF.

No need to respond to my post.

'K, thanks!

Went to the joint on Rua Uruguaiana 24 two times last week. 5 different floors if I remember correct with a bar on each floor and a few dirty and very simple cabins. It opens at 10 am and at the early hours there were 2-4 girls on every floor, standing around mainly in the staircase to lure you on to their floor. The price asked was 50-55 reais for 20 minutes. I liked the setup, to be able to walk the different floors and look around with no pressure to make a deal. Big variety in terms of quality of the girls.

Managed to find three gems. Young, slim girls with great bodies, okey facially. Blonde girl Gabi, 23 years, great service with kissing, BBBJ and a good attitude. Tais, a young brunette with pretty big, wonderfully shaped natural tits. She was very eager, making out passionately in the bar which was alright as I was there already when they opened. Probably less nice later if you figure she has been with a few guys already. Amanda, 19, a petite dark-skinned cutie with the most adorable little peach shaped ass. Also pretty good attitude but her best asset was her great body.

Bubba's guide is outdated so some info is no more topical, yes people must RTFF, nobody forces you to reply to their posts, Rio changes everyday. I just said Bubba's guide is outdated so no need to attack my post. This is a forum so info changes everyday like exchange rate. We are here to share recent information and our experience. Any first timer doesn't know Bubba. You need to read through hundreds of pages to reach Bubba's reports.

No need to respond to this post.

[QUOTE=LarryDavid;2046867]While some info in the guide is outdated, any first timer to Brazil should read it before coming. Better to read an old guide than no guide at all. Especially when threads are full of questions about specific escorts, comparisons of Brasilieras to Asians, and other oddities.

The smart monger will want to get a sense of the land without the rest of us shouting RTFF.

No need to respond to my post.

'K, thanks![/QUOTE]I believe the Budda guide is a good start for beginners. When looking for spots that are on the Budda guy you will other spots that are in the area. Its a very good start for guys who never been to Rio.

[QUOTE=LarryDavid;2046867]The smart monger will want to get a sense of the land without the rest of us shouting RTFF.[/QUOTE]The smart monger also realizes that people are more willing to help those who spend time helping themselves. The answers to so many basic questions have been written in this forum time and again. That's why it's essential to RTFF! Now, I know there is an awful lot here. So, what I advise people to do is to just focus on the Reports of Distinction and current reports as they come in. You will pick up a ton of information that way, and it will allow you to ask informed questions that other more seasoned mongers will be glad to answer. We're here to help. But, we're more likely to lend that helping hand to somebody who has taken sufficient demonstrated action to help themselves when so much of the information they seek is right within their grasp.

Made a little visit to Rio Branco in the morning. Bel Prazer at the 21st floor, Sala 2114. About 10 girls in the lineup, 2-3 out of them were young and slim looking, 7 or 8's. Went with 19 year old Duda. Fair-skinned cute brunette with braces, so petite, lovely natural A-cups. A little bit shy this girl and not that active during the session but still pretty cuddly and nice. 60 minutes - 150 reais.

Also stopped by Anita's Massagens, sala 1722. Only two girls available but one of them was hot enough, 18 year old Ju. Cute as an angle. Super petite brunette who gives very good BBBJ. 60 reais for 15 minutes which felt like a good deal.

Had a look around some other places. The three trash clubs on Rua Leandro Martins, on nr 3, 4 and 5. Nothing to write home about in any of those three joints but nr 5 seemed the nicest and at least had one girl that looked decent. Same story at So Lazer on Rua Acre 120 just around the corner, pretty much empty at 4 pm. Termas 81 on Rua Quitanda. About 6 girls around 5-6 pm and noone that made me want to invest in a programa. 502 on Rua the Alfandega 65, the entrance was waived as there was only about 4-5 girls in the club due to the Brazilian Valentine's Day they claimed. This club was too dark, really hard to make out what the girl looks like in the boate. Will probably try the nicer Centro termas tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Ibrahimovic;2047370]Made a little visit to Rio Branco in the morning. Bel Prazer at the 21st floor, Sala 2114. About 10 girls in the lineup, 2-3 out of them were young and slim looking, 7 or 8's. Went with 19 year old Duda. Fair-skinned cute brunette with braces, so petite, lovely natural A-cups. A little bit shy this girl and not that active during the session but still pretty cuddly and nice. 60 minutes - 150 reais.

Also stopped by Anita's Massagens, sala 1722. Only two girls available but one of them was hot enough, 18 year old Ju. Cute as an angle. Super petite brunette who gives very good BBBJ. 60 reais for 15 minutes which felt like a good deal.

Had a look around some other places. The three trash clubs on Rua Leandro Martins, on nr 3, 4 and 5. Nothing to write home about in any of those three joints but nr 5 seemed the nicest and at least had one girl that looked decent. Same story at So Lazer on Rua Acre 120 just around the corner, pretty much empty at 4 pm. Termas 81 on Rua Quitanda. About 6 girls around 5-6 pm and noone that made me want to invest in a programa. 502 on Rua the Alfandega 65, the entrance was waived as there was only about 4-5 girls in the club due to the Brazilian Valentine's Day they claimed. This club was too dark, really hard to make out what the girl looks like in the boate. Will probably try the nicer Centro termas tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Good report.

Entrance is waived every Monday in 502 even if there are many women. It is not due to the Brazilian valentine's day. Everyday they offer something like one beer for two etc. Before going inside it is important to check out the notice hung up on the wall in the reception to know daily discounts.

I have been in Rio now for about 3 weeks. My daily plan is usually exercise on the beach in the morning then go hit Eden or Delirio or RJ massagem around lunch time and then go out on a date with a SA girl at night or hit a terma.

[URL]http://www.edenspa.com.br/[/URL]

On the 4th floor, not too difficult to find. I had a slight issue my first time there with the little gnome lesbian that works the front desk. She tried to tell me its 300 real and I told her no 200, she repeated 300 and I showed her 200 on my phone and then she said, "ok, ok 200" After the first session we never had an issue. So far I have been with Taina, Leticia, Yara, Bruna and Thais. Pictures are all fairly accurate. I found Taina to be the most personable and Bruna to be the best fuck. The one I will warn you about is Leticia, she is one of the more attractive ones and has really nice natural tits easily 36 Cs and speaks pretty good english. Most girls start with a bad 5-10 minute massage before the fucking / sucking starts. Leticia massaged my back for 30 minutes and then back of my legs for 15 and finally I stopped her and said "we are running out of time and need to go to the next step". She then gets off bed and strips and begins with blowing me. I stopped her after a minute and said we need to fuck. Which I did furiously to beat the time limit. All other girls never been a problem, was just a weird session.

Price is 200 real, rooms very basic.

[URL]http://www.deliriooriental.com.br/[/URL]

On second floor, almost next door to Mcdonalds. So far have sampled Paola, Babi, Angel, Agata and Julia. All gave pretty good sessions, the less enthusiastic was Agata for sure but the others all gave a good fuck. Paola in particular, she sometimes comes over before she starts work if I don't have a good evening session the night before I will message her. 200 real.

Eden vs delirio? Really same to me. Both 200 real for an hour. The rooms in both are small, decently clean. The attractiveness of the girls varies and when you arrive at each the lineup can be between 3-8 girls most of times. My habit has just to go every other day to each except when I hit RJ massagem.

[URL]http://rjmassagem.com.br/en/[/URL]

Legitimate massage place, no sex. Decided to try this place after seeing where one guy posted about his amazing life changing tantric massage there. I did and it was a very good massage but hardly this out of the world experience. It was a typical massage for first 45 minutes and then a first class handjob where she will take you to the edge and back down a very times before making you cum. The rooms and facilities are much nicer and the girls really do give excellent massages. So far I have tried Julia, Veronica, Sabrina and Jakeline. All very good. Cost is a bit expensive for just a massage at 200 real per hour but nice place and currently I go about every 3-4 days. Front desk girl sporadically responds to whatsapp messages.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2047105]You need to read through hundreds of pages to reach Bubba's reports.
.[/QUOTE]Actually it has its own sub-forum / link off the main Brazil forum index. But I guess people don't scroll down.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2191-Bubba-Boy-s-Rio-Guide[/URL]

It is no use going to Florida Friday, they prefer to focus on gay parties because it bring in more money.

Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays are only for gay parties.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2047609]Actually it has its own sub-forum / link off the main Brazil forum index. But I guess people don't scroll down.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2191-Bubba-Boy-s-Rio-Guide[/URL][/QUOTE]Many newcomers don't know bubba's guide, I checked out his forum, there is some information that is irrelevant. Balcony doesn't exist anymore, 4 x4 is now open till 3 AM, some termas don't exist anymore. The price changed in some places etc.

It is better to have no info rather than to have irrelevant info.

The reports are very old, they are no more topical, the last report was posted in 2013.

As The Cane said, newcomers must RTTF, they have to read the current reports so that they can ask the missing questions. So it is easier for us to reply to their questions.

As you can see in my previous report, I just said Bubba's report is outdated. I did not say people mustn't RTTF.

Went to Cancun tonight at 5 pm and stayed for a few hours. Saw two girls I would be ready to make programe with at the given price point. Both were busy with other guys and never seemed to come back to the boate after they went upstairs. Is this the norm, that girls leave after one programa around 7-8 pm? Unless they were engaged in some very extended session. Not really that impressed with my first experience of a proper terma in terms of level of the lineup or facilities. Might try 4 x4 or / and Monte Carlo tomorrow.

Without finding a session at Cancun I went by Club 210 on Rua Uruguaiana to have a look and also Rua Alfandega 119. I didn't quite fit in as a gringo at these two trash clubs, pretty rowdy crowd and not that good looking girls. Centro de Lazer on Praca Olavo Bilac 13 is more to my liking. Some pretty ones in there considering it is a cheap boate at 55 are for 15 minutes. Can recommend Mona Liza, slim girl who was very accomodating, a sweet heart. Have also gone with Sue Ellen who is cute but not at all that good in the room, more mechanic.

By the way, I may have an opportunity for a threesome for anyone who is currently in Rio. PM.

To be clear: Cancun is the termas on the top floor which has a bar and very nice rooms. Robe required.

Manhattan is on the street level and is a bar which connects to the termas upstairs. Street clothes. Cheaper and if you take a girl, you will end up in the termas rooms anyway.

My recommendation is to go to Manhattan as there are more girls there and the ones from the termas make their way in and out.

Spend a little time, have a drink or two and relax. Let it be known the kind of girls you like. Acting like a stressed out jerk who needs to get laid gives off terrible vibes. Guys talk about interviewing the girls well, they also interview you and check you out. I remember one termas where as soon as this one guy entered the bar and sat down all the girls moved to the other side. Also, remember you do not know how long you are staying and when you are going to leave. If they think you might be a repeat customer or even a regular for them, you will get a different treatment. Guys who tell you that all the girls care about is money don't know zip about women.

Termas are for Brazilians and they are a great concept especially if you are cheating on your wife. You go into the termas in street clothes, change into a robe, have sex and maybe get lipstick and perfume all over you, then you take a shower and put your street clothes back on. Wife is no wiser unless of course she wants sex and you can't perform. There is a reason Brazilian women are always jumping their men.

As for the Love Motels; they have hidden entrances so that you can park your car or better yet have a taxi drop you off as well as your companion and not be seen from the street. If you spend a lot of time at these places you will notice that there is not a lot of activity in the reception area like most hotels. If you are staying at an apartment and have connected with a non-pro (and even some pros) be assured she will show up at your apartment at all the wrong times. Love motel to the rescue. Trust me they are worth the extra money.

Here is a site that lists many and offers discounts.

[URL]https://www.guiademoteis.com.br/rio-de-janeiro[/URL]

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2048121]To be clear: Cancun is the termas on the top floor which has a bar and very nice rooms. Robe required.

Manhattan is on the street level and is a bar which connects to the termas upstairs. Street clothes. Cheaper and if you take a girl, you will end up in the termas rooms anyway.

My recommendation is to go to Manhattan as there are more girls there and the ones from the Termas make their way in and out.

Spend a little time, have a drink or two and relax. Let it be known the kind of girls you like. Acting like a stressed out jerk who needs to get laid gives off terrible vibes. Guys talk about interviewing the girls well, they also interview you and check you out. I remember one termas where as soon as this one guy entered the bar and sat down all the girls moved to the other side. Also, remember you do not know how long you are staying and when you are going to leave. If they think you might be a repeat customer or even a regular for them, you will get a different treatment. Guys who tell you that all the girls care about is money don't know zip about women.[/QUOTE]I have been in Cancun many times and I have never had bad experience, Cancun is my favorite Termas. The rooms are way better than 4 x 4. The girls are not aggressive. I have never tried Manhattan, I have always thought the atmosphere is like Whiskeria bar below 4 x 4. In whiskeria bar there were always less girls and less atmosphere. Is it as laid back as Cancun?

I will give a try next week when I arrive in Brazil. I don't know anything about Manhattan Bar. I checked out their website. When you say more girls? The girls that don't work in Cancun come with their guys or they come alone? The session price is the same as Cancun? I have always thought most girls that are not from the terma are together with other guys and don't come alone.

It would be nice of you if you can give more info about these.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2048217]I have been in Cancun many times and I have never had bad experience, Cancun is my favorite Termas. The rooms are way better than 4 x 4. The girls are not aggressive. I have never tried Manhattan, I have always thought the atmosphere is like Whiskeria bar below 4 x 4. In whiskeria bar there were always less girls and less atmosphere. Is it as laid back as Cancun?

I will give a try next week when I arrive in Brazil. I don't know anything about Manhattan Bar. I checked out their website. When you say more girls? The girls that don't work in Cancun come with their guys or they come alone? The session price is the same as Cancun? I have always thought most girls that are not from the terma are together with other guys and don't come alone.

It would be nice of you if you can give more info about these.[/QUOTE]Manhattan is a bar with booths along the sides and a few tables in the middle. The concept of a Whiskeria is a bar for regulars who would buy a bottle and store it onsite. This has gone by the wayside in many cases but the concept of being a Cheers type bar still remains. If you go often enough you will see the same people over and over again. Here is their website.

[URL]http://www.wiskeriamanhattan.com.br/ingles.php[/URL]

Normal price is 70 Reais to enter which goes toward consumption. For you guys just coming in and out, looking for sex and who speak no Portuguese, this next part won't matter. But, if you speak Portuguese, getting to know the guys who frequent a place like Manhattan can be gold. You will find judges, lawyers, police, businessmen who love talking with foreigners. Many times because of their education level they do speak English. So, if you are not a jerk, they will tell you who are the best girls. If you walk in and just ask for info (like guys here) and bring nothing to the table as in friendship or at least interesting conversation, then they will shut you out.

Komo753 to address your specific questions. The atmosphere is very laid back. The girls will come and sit without the expectation of going to the room. You, being a tourist they will look at differently. The environment with the girls is not as hands on as in the termas. Since there is no robe, there is no reaching under.

[B]The girls you see there work there.[/B] I have brought non-pros there for a threesomes, but that is certainly not a normal occurrence. There are a lot more guys in the bar and if there are not many guys in the termas Cancun upstairs, the girls will be in Manhattan downstairs. So, in reality, you will see more girls downstairs than upstairs.

Started off yesterday with a visit to Onix Terapias at Rio Branco 185, sala 2104. Expected the lineup to be better than it was given the price level. 30 minutes 140 reais and 170 for the hour. Only 4 girls available and the facilities not as nice as Bel Prazer on the same floor. Went with Maya, 36 yo fair-skinned kind of ash-blonde. I thought she was good looking for her age, could be a good pick for someone who fancies the experient provider. Good attitude, BBBJ, DFK, eager to please.

Also made a visit to Espaco do Prazer on my way down the building, sala 516. They had a promotion which meant 50 reais for half hour. Quite big lineup, 8-9 ladies. Would have wanted to go with the girl who served as hostess but she already had a booking. Very voluptuous with the big bunda which is something I haven't really gone for so far on this trip. Went instead with Pati (couldn't quite get her name right. And then she said Patricia to make it easier for me but the hostess didn't recognize that name so. 22 yo petite mulatta with braces, nice natural tits that were a little bigger than her body frame would suggest. This girl is a good pick for someone who wants wild sex. She started off the session with absolutely passionate, ravenous kissing. BBBJ of pretty good quality. Wanted to be spanked etc. Pretty amazing attitude and effort for 50 reais.

Made my way to Solarium in the evening, arrived at about 7 pm. Liked this place a lot better than Cancun, better looking girls and a nicer bar area, showers etc. Good lighting in the boate. Saw at least 4 girls I could go with. Picked Gabriela, slim brunette Mineira. Very good looking, service was not more than decent I would say given the price level. I guess these termas are mainly for optificks as they say in Germany. The opportunity to sample a young beautiful girl. And I guess I have to start to revise my general standards for what is good service here in Rio. It actually seems possible to get a really good treatment in at least 9 if not 10 out of 10 sessions in the cheaper joints.

Exec Talent: Good idea about the love motels. It is pretty embarrassing to keep bringing in different girls to your AirBNB apt. Saw your post and have now been able to have a regular girl agree to a first date at a love motel. Something that would be pretty impossible in Europe. Shall be interesting to see if she shows up.

[QUOTE=Ibrahimovic;2048471]Started off yesterday with a visit to Onix Terapias at Rio Branco 185, sala 2104. Expected the lineup to be better than it was given the price level. 30 minutes 140 reais and 170 for the hour. Only 4 girls available and the facilities not as nice as Bel Prazer on the same floor. Went with Maya, 36 yo fair-skinned kind of ash-blonde. I thought she was good looking for her age, could be a good pick for someone who fancies the experient provider. Good attitude, BBBJ, DFK, eager to please.

Also made a visit to Espaco do Prazer on my way down the building, sala 516. They had a promotion which meant 50 reais for half hour. Quite big lineup, 8-9 ladies. Would have wanted to go with the girl who served as hostess but she already had a booking. Very voluptuous with the big bunda which is something I haven't really gone for so far on this trip. Went instead with Pati (couldn't quite get her name right. And then she said Patricia to make it easier for me but the hostess didn't recognize that name so. 22 yo petite mulatta with braces, nice natural tits that were a little bigger than her body frame would suggest. This girl is a good pick for someone who wants wild sex. She started off the session with absolutely passionate, ravenous kissing. BBBJ of pretty good quality. Wanted to be spanked etc. Pretty amazing attitude and effort for 50 reais.

Made my way to Solarium in the evening, arrived at about 7 pm. Liked this place a lot better than Cancun, better looking girls and a nicer bar area, showers etc. Good lighting in the boate. Saw at least 4 girls I could go with. Picked Gabriela, slim brunette Mineira. Very good looking, service was not more than decent I would say given the price level. I guess these termas are mainly for optificks as they say in Germany. The opportunity to sample a young beautiful girl. And I guess I have to start to revise my general standards for what is good service here in Rio. It actually seems possible to get a really good treatment in at least 9 if not 10 out of 10 sessions in the cheaper joints.

Exec Talent: Good idea about the love motels. It is pretty embarrassing to keep bringing in different girls to your AirBNB apt. Saw your post and have now been able to have a regular girl agree to a first date at a love motel. Something that would be pretty impossible in Europe. Shall be interesting to see if she shows up.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha! The porteiros know what's up when I touch down in Rio. I rent the same duplex and bring hella girls. Just be cool with it-low key. No one yet came looking for me. Actually one from VM who was crazy fortunately she went back to Minas, but love motels are always fun.

Regarding cheaper places I agree.

I refuse to shell out on Solarium etc even though I love the interior.

Best sessions are lower tier termas, trash termas, non-pros, semi pros etc. In the past had some good ones in MC and 4 x 4 but that was years back.

Was in Rio for a few days. To be honest was a bit of letdown this time. Some very good looking girls but mediocre fucks. As Fackafmeddig has been saying, you are much more likely to get a high quality fuck in Centro, where the girls need to be good to see return business.

Anyway for what its worth:

T65 - visited with Cartman. I thought there were a few doables here though wasnt exactly buzzing. Had one reasonable session with a blonde with braces (sheesh these are popular in Brazil!) If I remember correctly was around 350-400 all-in for 40 min. Can't remember the name of the place we went to next (Playground?) Anyway was an intimate venue - 6 or 7 girls. Cartman grabbed the pick of the room straight off and had a great time.

Monte Carlo: visited once. Standard tier 1 terma. Some good looking girls. Went with a blonde with a nice set. Reasonable, if unspectacular fuck. As a sage once told me, remember to agree services before going in the room. Had to ***** and moan to get a BBBJ! Was around 500 all-in (40 min).

Solarium: best looking girls of all the termas but I am yet to have a mindblowing fuck here. By and large my impression is that it is mainly students (inexperienced) working here. Anyway sessioned with 2 girls over 2 visits. Jury is out for me on this place. Around 500 all-in for 40 min.

Centaurus: uninspiring line-up so left without sessioning. The most expensive of the termas. Around 650 ish for 40 min. Not worth the cash.

After the above mediocre experiences, I visited the following girl on my final day. She had good reviews on Xforum and rightly so. A total filth-bucket! Lots of spitting and a mistress of the finger up the bum. By far my best fuck on this visit.

[URL]https://espacoterapias.com.br/terapeutas/alice-rocha/[/URL]

I finally came back from Tokyo.

I plan to stay in Brazil (Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo) till September.

I arrived Saturday, There were no termas in centro so I tried many trash clubs, I did not session. I saw many fuckable girls (many girls from termas) but I know the rooms are not good, I only sessioned in 210 because it is the only trash club I can session.

Club 13, Clube 05, Clube 210.

Price:

15 minutes: 55 reais.

20 minutes: 65 reais.

30 minutes: 90 reais.

40 minutes: 100 reais.

60 minutes: 150 reais.

You have to add 2 reais to have a condom if you don't have.

I went to predio 24 to visit, when I entered, I saw some ugly women in the first floor that scared me off, I ve never been so scraed of women in my life. So I ran away from the predio. It was disgusting and smelly inside.

I noticed in centro there are many new trash clubs and they are also constructing many trash clubs, there will be one trash club next to Afrodyte, above the Chinese restaurant and there will also be few others next to 4 por 4 and Cancun.

I hope they will build some other termas and clean clubs, I am not into trash clubs.

A slim lady I sessioned with in 4 por 4 told me, there is a new terma in Lapa. The name: Cafe Romance she told me the price is 250 reais one hour, this terma has been open for one month. Anyone has ever been there?

I can't wait for Monday, because I will go to some termas.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2047183]The smart monger also realizes that people are more willing to help those who spend time helping themselves. The answers to so many basic questions have been written in this forum time and again. That's why it's essential to RTFF! Now, I know there is an awful lot here. So, what I advise people to do is to just focus on the Reports of Distinction and current reports as they come in. You will pick up a ton of information that way, and it will allow you to ask informed questions that other more seasoned mongers will be glad to answer. We're here to help. But, we're more likely to lend that helping hand to somebody who has taken sufficient demonstrated action to help themselves when so much of the information they seek is right within their grasp.[/QUOTE]Sometimes the specific questions people ask make me think people don't know much about Brazil. I tried to help a guy on the SP board who asked where he could find skinny girls with big breasts. I told him Brazil was really the wrong country for that body type. The more you read up, the more you know, the more you can relate with the locals. The girls will pick up on guys who come to Brazil and spend most of their time in bed.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2050054]Sometimes the specific questions people ask make me think people don't know much about Brazil. I tried to help a guy on the SP board who asked where he could find skinny girls with big breasts. I told him Brazil was really the wrong country for that body type.[/QUOTE]It's a huge, diverse nation with hundreds of millions of people. You can find any kind of body type you like. I know that from experience, and have posted many, many photos to prove it. The thing is, it is true that Brazil is a nation that favors a plump, round bunda. Thank ya Jesus! On the other hand, I say that if you want to go to a place where the people promote big tits and a narrower waist / hips instead, then just go next door to Argentina. Although, I have found me some plump, round booty in that country too hehehe!

New terma in Lapa (cafe romance). It has been open for one month. I ll try to visit the terma today.

Rua Joaquim Silva.

The rooms are a bit better than 4 por 4.

It is open till 3 am. The session is 210 or 250 one hour I don't really remember.

I went to 502, mv30,4 por 4, playground, 65 and 31 yesterday, there were no fuckable girls in the termas. It is fucking crazy most good looking girls now work in trash clubs. I haven't seen good looking girls in the termas.

I also visited trash clubs. Predio 22,210 and many other trash clubs, I saw many good looking ladies but I did not session in trash club. The rooms are dirty and sometimes there is no privacy, (13 and predio 22) predio 22 1st floor the girls are very ugly but when you go up from 3th floor the girls are better looking.

I'll visit Manhattan tomorrow and see what will happen.

Playground, the staff is very friendly but there was only one girl there but they let me enter and I did not pay for entrance, they showed me their rooms programa in normal room with shower is 160 reais 30 minutes, the rooms are way bigger and better than other termas, programa in suite with bathroom is 250, programa in king suite is 280 reais one hour. If one day there is a girl you like in trash club, you don't want to fuck in trash club you can bring the girl to playground, only the king suite room for one hour and 30 minutes costs 120 reais. You can negotiate with the girl 120 reais they will accept to go with you. Girls working in trash clubs when they do a one hour program they only receive 60 reais and 90 reais for the house. So if you offer 120 or 130 they will directly accept. I paid a girl from a trash club 130 reais for 1 hour and 30 minutes and she went with me to playground, we stayed one hour and 30 minutes in king suite I paid 250 reais altogether. 130 reias for the girl and 120 reais for the room.

65 and 44 only girls that are not worth being fucked for the required price, too expensive and the girls are not really good looking.

502 is a total joke, only few girls, one black girl with scars, one black girl with faked ass, one white girl with an odd body. The entrance is waived every Monday so I did not pay the entrance.

31 is also a total joke, there was no fuckable lady, 10 reais entrance with one drink included. Now they dropped their price because of the crisis.

20 minutes 80 reais (in the past there was no 20 minutes programa).

30 minutes 100 reais (in the past 110 reais).

60 minutes 180 reais (in the past 200 reais).

Mv30, I did not pay entrance, I just check inside very quickly, I did not see any good looking girl. The price did not change, 35 reais toward consumption, 180 reais 30 minutes (cabin) and 300 reis one hour (suite).

Trash club one hour 150 reais, 90 reais for the room and 60 reais for the girl, it is a rip off.

That's why it is better to negotiate with the girl and fuck outside.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2050158]It's a huge, diverse nation with hundreds of millions of people. You can find any kind of body type you like. I know that from experience, and have posted many, many photos to prove it. The thing is, it is true that Brazil is a nation that favors a plump, round bunda. Thank ya Jesus! On the other hand, I say that if you want to go to a place where the people promote big tits and a narrower waist / hips instead, then just go next door to Argentina. Although, I have found me some plump, round booty in that country too hehehe![/QUOTE]Totally concur!

[QUOTE=Mangera;2050293]Totally concur![/QUOTE]A nation of ass lovers (Brazil) versus a nation of tit lovers (Argentina). It brings an extra level of intensity to the pitch when these two nations meet in a football match LOL!

[QUOTE=Mangera;2050293]Totally concur![/QUOTE]On my broader point, I think you can have a better time in Brazil and also a better time with the girls if you do some reading here and some cultural research. In this most of us concur.

I myself wouldn't go to Brazil if I had a predilection for skinny girls with natural breasts. Brazilians and Argentinians don't favor and promote certain body types. There are very distinct genetic differences between the two countries that determine how they roll.

The women from the South of Brazil might meet his objectives, but even then they are hippier and curvier. Even the Brazilian girls of Japanese descent are curvier. And yes, you can find anything in Brazil if you look hard enough.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2050314]Brazilians and Argentinians don't favor and promote certain body types. There are very distinct genetic differences between the two countries that determine how they roll.[/QUOTE]I don't know how in the world you can say this, especially when it comes to Brazil. With all of the focus on having a nice "bum bum" and butt implants and stuff? And what about all of that anal sex LOL? My Brazilian LAA (Lifetime Anal Average) is 70% butt fucked. And it could be 100% if I lowered my standards! There is no question that Brazilians "roll" with the ass, be it due to "genetic differences" or what. They even have an annual national contest for phat Brazilian booty!

[URL]http://www.tmz.com/2017/06/09/miss-bum-bum-brazil-thong-photos/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Komo753;2050266]New terma in Lapa (cafe romance). It has been open for one month. I ll try to visit the terma today.

Rua Joaquim Silva.

The rooms are a bit better than 4 por 4.

It is open till 3 am. The session is 210 or 250 one hour I don't really remember.[/QUOTE]I'm curious if this is the place that used to be Termas Rio Antigo (sort of Gloria more than Lapa, edge of Lapa) that then became a high-end club / dance place.

Can you share the address? Tried google but came up empty. Maybe my Google-fu is bad.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2050278]
Playground, the staff is very friendly but there was only one girl there but they let me enter and I did not pay for entrance, they showed me their rooms programa in normal room with shower is 160 reais 30 minutes, the rooms are way bigger and better than other termas, programa in suite with bathroom is 250, programa in king suite is 280 reais one hour. If one day there is a girl you like in trash club, you don't want to fuck in trash club you can bring the girl to playground, only the king suite room for one hour and 30 minutes costs 120 reais. You can negotiate with the girl 120 reais they will accept to go with you. Girls working in trash clubs when they do a one hour program they only receive 60 reais and 90 reais for the house. So if you offer 120 or 130 they will directly accept. I paid a girl from a trash club 130 reais for 1 hour and 30 minutes and she went with me to playground, we stayed one hour and 30 minutes in king suite I paid 250 reais altogether. 130 reias for the girl and 120 reais for the room.[/QUOTE]What time of day? When I went to playground during the day it was dead. At night, like 9 pm-10 pm, on a Thursday night, it had like 8-10 girls and was hopping.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2050278]I went to 502, mv30,4 por 4, playground, 65 and 31 yesterday, there were no fuckable girls in the termas. It is fucking crazy most good looking girls now work in trash clubs. I haven't seen good looking girls in the termas.

I also visited trash clubs. Predio 22,210 and many other trash clubs, I saw many good looking ladies but I did not session in trash club. The rooms are dirty and sometimes there is no privacy, (13 and predio 22) predio 22 1st floor the girls are very ugly but when you go up from 3th floor the girls are better looking.
[/QUOTE]Komo753: agreed that the cabins in the trash clubs are utterly disgusting. I try not to touch the mattress and bring some alcohol to rub my hands afterwards. Also going early obviously helps as the girl will have some energy and be fresh.

Espaco Mente e Corpo, Rua Conceicao 19. Easy place to visit as it is just to enter through the entrance door and head up one flight of stairs. 7 or 8 girls in the lineup, all pretty decent looking but no standout. Went with Babi, 22 yo if I remember correct, morena and naturally busty girl with cute smile and braces. 20 min - 90 reais, 40 min - 120 reais, 60 min - 150 reais. I picked the 40 min option and the facilities are nice, clean and decent shower. The service was a little below average, no BBBJ and just light kissing. In the end of the session Babi cried out I am coming and after that just got up and into the shower. I asked and she said there was 5 minutes left. Either she thought that I came with her or she just didn't give a toss. I was actually planning on doing more sessions later so didn't need to come but still a weird finish to the programa.

Went to Centaurus at 7 pm on the Saturday. The girls were not as pushy as I had imagined. Pretty good party atmosphere, they did of course ask for the occasional drink but I never got any attitude when declining drinks or sessions (even after some initial kissing). Was not so impressed by the looks of the girls however, not at all better than the other termas. One or two really good looking ones and the rest pretty enough but nothing really worth that price. Did 40 minutes with Catarina, blonde with glasses, the classic librarian look. Had my eyes on some other girl but she was busy all night. Catarina was a pretty good shag, rather big natural tits, good attitude and kept a smile throughout, accomodating and seemed to enjoy herself. BBBJ and deep kissing. Would probably not return to Centaurus but still an enjoyable evening.

[QUOTE=Ibrahimovic;2050471]
Espaco Mente e Corpo, Rua Conceicao 19.. Catarina was a pretty good shag, rather big natural tits, good attitude and kept a smile throughout, accomodating and seemed to enjoy herself. BBBJ and deep kissing. Would probably not return to Centaurus but still an enjoyable evening.[/QUOTE]One of the best privees, alongside Emporio do Banho. Top notch facilities. Girls vary day to day but you can strike gold.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2050458]What time of day? When I went to playground during the day it was dead. At night, like 9 pm-10 pm, on a Thursday night, it had like 8-10 girls and was hopping.[/QUOTE]It was Monday at 4 pm.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2050456]I'm curious if this is the place that used to be Termas Rio Antigo (sort of Gloria more than Lapa, edge of Lapa) that then became a high-end club / dance place.

Can you share the address? Tried google but came up empty. Maybe my Google-fu is bad.[/QUOTE]You won't find on Google, it is a new place, I'll check today I'll go to rua Joaquim Silva. I don't know the exact number.

I'll share later.

I sessioned in 502. I found a girl I like.

Price 190 reais in a normal room and 20 reais with two drink included.

The cabin from 502 is better and bigger than 4 por 4, 65, mv 30 and Cancun. They give you a soap, towel. There is air conditioner, shower and big bed.

I also checked the suite in 502, there is no bathroom in their suite, only a shower and bathroom, the suites from Playground are way better and bigger than the ones from 502.

Playground: 250 reais one hour in a suite. 160 reais 30 minutes in a normal room. The normal room in Playground is better than the suite in 502.

502 : one hour 190 reais in a cabin and 250 reais in a suite.

In 502, you can also choose 20 minutes program in a cabin. If you are just interested in fast fuck.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2050314]On my broader point, I think you can have a better time in Brazil and also a better time with the girls if you do some reading here and some cultural research. In this most of us concur.

I myself wouldn't go to Brazil if I had a predilection for skinny girls with natural breasts. Brazilians and Argentinians don't favor and promote certain body types. There are very distinct genetic differences between the two countries that determine how they roll.

The women from the South of Brazil might meet his objectives, but even then they are hippier and curvier. Even the Brazilian girls of Japanese descent are curvier. And yes, you can find anything in Brazil if you look hard enough.[/QUOTE]I know and saw many Japanese Brazilians that are skinny in Brazil and don't have any curves. Brazil is big with many different body types. In the south of Brazil next to Argentina border, there is an eastern European community. There are many girls that are skinny with big tits.

Mixed Japanese Brazilians are curvier but there are still many people that don't mix up with others in Brazil. Many white Caucasian (Germans, Italians and eastern Europeans), Jews, Japanese, Lebanese, Syrians stick together. So there are still many people that are not mixed in Brazil. It depends on the location because Brazil is a big country. It is like the USA? If you want to meet more Mexicans, just go to the south, if you want to meet more Chinese people just go to SF and other cities with Chinatown. More blacks go to the north where the afro American culture is influenced or somewhere else etc.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2049544]I finally came back from Tokyo.

I plan to stay in Brazil (Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo) till September.

I arrived Saturday, There were no termas in centro so I tried many trash clubs, I did not session. I saw many fuckable girls (many girls from termas) but I know the rooms are not good, I only sessioned in 210 because it is the only trash club I can session.

Club 13, Clube 05, Clube 210.

Price:

15 minutes: 55 reais.

20 minutes: 65 reais.

30 minutes: 90 reais.

40 minutes: 100 reais.

60 minutes: 150 reais.

You have to add 2 reais to have a condom if you don't have.

I went to predio 24 to visit, when I entered, I saw some ugly women in the first floor that scared me off, I ve never been so scraed of women in my life. So I ran away from the predio. It was disgusting and smelly inside.

I noticed in centro there are many new trash clubs and they are also constructing many trash clubs, there will be one trash club next to Afrodyte, above the Chinese restaurant and there will also be few others next to 4 por 4 and Cancun.

I hope they will build some other termas and clean clubs, I am not into trash clubs.

A slim lady I sessioned with in 4 por 4 told me, there is a new terma in Lapa. The name: Cafe Romance she told me the price is 250 reais one hour, this terma has been open for one month. Anyone has ever been there?

I can't wait for Monday, because I will go to some termas.[/QUOTE]Am touchin down inn 9 d ays. Komo pm me. Trash spots are a logical reaction to the financial crisis and girls can come and go at will.

Visited Monte Carlo last week on the Friday. Quite empty in the boate, according to the girls because of the holiday the day before. Stayed and had a drink for about an hour and was ready to give up when that one fantastic girl appeared. Just stunning, slim, sexy Marina, fair-skinned and jet-black hair. 21 years old or something like that, said she was new in MC. One of the best looking girls I have had the pleasure to session. Amazing body, passionate kissing, everything from looks to attitude top notch. Not one bit interested to leave the room after I finished. She wanted to stay for cuddles until the staff called to say the time was up. Left the termas very happy.

Tried a date with three girls in a love motel: [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/as-3-diabinhas-por-300-festinha-super-quente-garantimos-puro-prazer-vai-virar-cliente-id-43fth[/URL].

600 reais for 3 hours with 3 fairly cute girls. All around 18-20 years old I would say. A new and interesting experience, liked the novelty of lining up three girls in bed to sample their youthful bodies. As well as getting oral from three girls in joint effort. However, I didn't find these girls more than adequate in service given the conditions with a long session in a nice hotel. They also managed to steal away a couple of items from the suite.

Overall I thought Rio was just heaven. Great mix of GDPs and non-pros. Think I only encountered one or two who didn't want to do BBBJ, same with DFK. Think everyone I asked fancied some DATY. About the same frequency of stunners as Europe, then again I do prefer Latinas over most other women. I might choose to discover Sampa next time but will definitely be doing Rio as well.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2050651]I know and saw many Japanese Brazilians that are skinny in Brazil and don't have any curves. Brazil is big with many different body types. In the south of Brazil next to Argentina border, there is an eastern European community. There are many girls that are skinny with big tits.

Mixed Japanese Brazilians are curvier but there are still many people that don't mix up with others in Brazil. Many white Caucasian (Germans, Italians and eastern Europeans), Jews, Japanese, Lebanese, Syrians stick together. So there are still many people that are not mixed in Brazil. It depends on the location because Brazil is a big country. It is like the USA? If you want to meet more Mexicans, just go to the south, if you want to meet more Chinese people just go to SF and other cities with Chinatown. More blacks go to the north where the afro American culture is influenced or somewhere else etc.[/QUOTE]210 Million people -- you're bound to find something you like.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2050633]I sessioned in 502. I found a girl I like.

Price 190 reais in a normal room and 20 reais with two drink included.

The cabin from 502 is better and bigger than 4 por 4, 65, mv 30 and Cancun. They give you a soap, towel. There is air conditioner, shower and big bed.

I also checked the suite in 502, there is no bathroom in their suite, only a shower and bathroom, the suites from Playground are way better and bigger than the ones from 502.

Playground: 250 reais one hour in a suite. 160 reais 30 minutes in a normal room. The normal room in Playground is better than the suite in 502.

502 : one hour 190 reais in a cabin and 250 reais in a suite.

In 502, you can also choose 20 minutes program in a cabin. If you are just interested in fast fuck.[/QUOTE]502 has always been right on the edge of acceptable facilities. If they would just have put a little money into it, it could be a lot better. Agree playground has nicer rooms / showers / bathrooms. MV30 also is slightly nicer.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2050629]You won't find on Google, it is a new place, I'll check today I'll go to rua Joaquim Silva. I don't know the exact number.

I'll share later.[/QUOTE]The address of what used to be Rio Antigo was Joaquin Silva, 2 Gloria. Is that the same address as this new Cafe Romance? Also, what is the address of Playground? Thanks for any info as I am in the process of updating my master list for Brazil.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2050456]I'm curious if this is the place that used to be Termas Rio Antigo (sort of Gloria more than Lapa, edge of Lapa) that then became a high-end club / dance place.

Can you share the address? Tried google but came up empty. Maybe my Google-fu is bad.[/QUOTE]Cafe Romanche.

Rua Joaquim Silva 6.

30 minutes 190 reais in a Cabin.

40 minutes 240 reais in a Cabin.

60 minutes 330 reais in a suite.

50 reais entrance (40 reais toward consuption, 10 reais toward entrance).

There is no bathroom, there is only shower in their suite, their suite is bigger and better than cabins in 4 po r4 and Cancun.

There is no shower in their cabins but you can take a shower in private before and after the session, there are many shower rooms that are separate from cabins.

Ibrahimovic,

Thanks for all your great reports. As a fan of festas, especially appreciated the link to these girls.

"Tried a date with three girls in a love motel: [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/as-3-diabinhas-por-300-festinha-super-quente-garantimos-puro-prazer-vai-virar-cliente-id-43fth[/URL]."

The Cane.

"Thanks for any info as I am in the process of updating my master list for Brazil."

That one sentence is gold. Having a game plan when you are visiting a country with limited time is everything. If you are travelling to a particular area of the city, you also should have Plan be and see if Plan A doesn't work out. I tend to shop and research the massage places online and make appointments which usually works. But what if doesn't. Girl doesn't show. Regular shows up. Bad experience, etc; then go to other plans. That doesn't mean there are days when you don't do field research, it just means you need to have a plan to make the most of your time. Developing a master list (names, addresses, websites, phone numbers is the way to go). Equally important is a list of places to avoid.

Found in a fairly recent report: [URL]http://playgroundclub.com.br/web/[/URL]. Still not convinced on how good it is, but worth a look, especially if you have 502 on your list too anyway!

Hello, I will be traveling to Rio for the first time in July. I have read the past 5-10 pages of comments that seem to have good information. I have traveled extensively in Europe but only a small amount in South America (Buenos Aires). I will be in Santiago for 3 weeks for business and will end my trip with 4 days in Rio. Since I know very little about Rio I am looking for some advice of where to stay in Rio. Some other Brazilians I work with mentioned Ipanema is a good area to stay. I will be traveling with some other co-workers (non-Brazilian) and they want to stay in this area. If I play I will venture off on my own so location near to termas and such is not important. My friends will want to be near the beach. I would be grateful for some recommendations of good places to stay such as hotels in this area. I have also read AirBnB is also popular in Rio. Is this a better option than a hotel? If you know of good apartments to look at that would also be helpful. I can read reviews online but recommendations from others who know Rio well are more valuable.

Thanks for any advice.

BB.

[QUOTE=BigBad;2051247]Hello, I will be traveling to Rio for the first time in July. I have read the past 5-10 pages of comments that seem to have good information. I have traveled extensively in Europe but only a small amount in South America (Buenos Aires). I will be in Santiago for 3 weeks for business and will end my trip with 4 days in Rio. Since I know very little about Rio I am looking for some advice of where to stay in Rio. Some other Brazilians I work with mentioned Ipanema is a good area to stay. I will be traveling with some other co-workers (non-Brazilian) and they want to stay in this area. If I play I will venture off on my own so location near to termas and such is not important. My friends will want to be near the beach. I would be grateful for some recommendations of good places to stay such as hotels in this area. I have also read AirBnB is also popular in Rio. Is this a better option than a hotel? If you know of good apartments to look at that would also be helpful. I can read reviews online but recommendations from others who know Rio well are more valuable.[/QUOTE]Leblon, Ipanema or Copacabana is probably the right place for you. With the Metro you get to Centro in no time. Go on [URL]booking.com[/URL] and use the map view to find a good place. Be near a metro station to simplify getting around. No need for taxi if all you do is go between beach hotel and centro.

For the single traveler especially with a car, you can book a Motel as a real hotel. Comodore is one, strategically near the Airport. I have used it as a first and last night and sometimes more nights base. You sleep in the love hotel, breakfast included and you call a garota in whenever you feel like it. Totally private, safe and hassle free.

[QUOTE=BigBad;2051247]Hello, I will be traveling to Rio for the first time in July...[/QUOTE]I havn't been reading the forum for some time. Funny how nothing has changed.
Same not-on-the-field-posters and the lurkers seeking info without never reporting back.
Cheers.

[QUOTE=BigBad;2051247]Hello, I will be traveling to Rio for the first time in July. I have read the past 5-10 pages of comments that seem to have good information. I have traveled extensively in Europe but only a small amount in South America (Buenos Aires). I will be in Santiago for 3 weeks for business and will end my trip with 4 days in Rio. Since I know very little about Rio I am looking for some advice of where to stay in Rio. Some other Brazilians I work with mentioned Ipanema is a good area to stay. I will be traveling with some other co-workers (non-Brazilian) and they want to stay in this area. If I play I will venture off on my own so location near to termas and such is not important. My friends will want to be near the beach. I would be grateful for some recommendations of good places to stay such as hotels in this area. I have also read AirBnB is also popular in Rio. Is this a better option than a hotel? If you know of good apartments to look at that would also be helpful. I can read reviews online but recommendations from others who know Rio well are more valuable.

Thanks for any advice.

BB.[/QUOTE]Airbnb is fine. Regardless who you rent from or whatever agency you decide to use, I highly suggest you ask if there is any construction going on in that building or its surroundings during your stay. Seems there is always some form of restoration going on somewhere, and it can be really annoying listening to constant hammering and drilling going on all freaken day. Good luck!

I'm travelling to Rio next week. Is Casa Behar on Rio Branco still the best place to change money?

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2051336]I'm travelling to Rio next week. Is Casa Behar on Rio Branco still the best place to change money?[/QUOTE]The best place to change money if you have dollars or euros is (Avenida and. Sra. Copacabana, 371.).

Ex today 1 euro is worth 3.73 on [URL]xe.com[/URL], today you can sell 1 euro for 3.83 to the shop. They add 10 reais over the daily rate on [URL]www.xe.com[/URL].

Ex today 1 dollar is worth 3.34 on [URL]xe.com[/URL], today you can sell 1 dollar for 3.42 to the shop, they add 8 reais over the daily rate on [URL]www.xe.com[/URL].

[QUOTE=TheCane;2051187]Found in a fairly recent report: [URL]http://playgroundclub.com.br/web/[/URL]. Still not convinced on how good it is, but worth a look, especially if you have 502 on your list too anyway![/QUOTE]Yesterday, I sessioned with a white lady in 502, I only did 20 min programma (100 reais). There were more girls (30 girls). Every Thursday is a good day in 502.

There are some neutral reviews on this website, you can check it out but it is in Portuguese. [URL]https://forumx.com.br/viewtopic.php?f=152&t=18111[/URL].

I'll try playground at 8 pm. As Cartman said, I think playground is dead early, it is better to go there very late at 8 pm. Early it is not worth going there.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2051005]Cafe Romanche.

Rua Joaquim Silva 6.

30 minutes 190 reais in a Cabin.

40 minutes 240 reais in a Cabin.

60 minutes 330 reais in a suite.

50 reais entrance (40 reais toward consuption, 10 reais toward entrance).

There is no bathroom, there is only shower in their suite, their suite is bigger and better than cabins in 4 po r4 and Cancun.

There is no shower in their cabins but you can take a shower in private before and after the session, there are many shower rooms that are separate from cabins.[/QUOTE]Termas Rio Antigo used to be on this same street at #2. I wonder if this is the same space or part of the same space? It was partially owned (if not 100%) by the guys who own 4 x4. Will poke around on the BR boards if I have time to try to find more info.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Ibrahimovic;2050844]Tried a date with three girls in a love motel: [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/as-3-diabinhas-por-300-festinha-super-quente-garantimos-puro-prazer-vai-virar-cliente-id-43fth[/URL].

600 reais for 3 hours with 3 fairly cute girls. All around 18-20 years old I would say. A new and interesting experience, liked the novelty of lining up three girls in bed to sample their youthful bodies. As well as getting oral from three girls in joint effort. However, I didn't find these girls more than adequate in service given the conditions with a long session in a nice hotel. They also managed to steal away a couple of items from the suite.[/QUOTE]Three fairly cute teenagers at these prices (R $300- one hour, are $600 - three hours) sounds too good to be true. Of course, they stole some items. I'm guessing that besides the average service they might be closer to average in looks when you say "fairly cute". Sounds like they have a unique gig going for themselves where they offer guys quantity over quality.

I'm not criticizing. Thanks for giving it a shot and reporting back. It's still tempting.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2051592]Three fairly cute teenagers at these prices (R $300- one hour, are $600 - three hours) sounds too good to be true. Of course, they stole some items. I'm guessing that besides the average service they might be closer to average in looks when you say "fairly cute". Sounds like they have a unique gig going for themselves where they offer guys quantity over quality.

I'm not criticizing. Thanks for giving it a shot and reporting back. It's still tempting.[/QUOTE]Yes, average looks would be a fair assesment. One of them a very petite mulata who told me she was 18 which seemed about right. I would give her maybe a 7 for body and 5-6 for face. Another darker and tall mulata who looked about 20, I would give her a 5-6 for body and a 7 for face. And a third more light skinned girl from Maranhao maybe a 5-6 for face and 5 for body. They would be just about average girls in the prives in Centro I would say. But yeah, getting three very young girls for 3 hours for 600 reais is not bad. They also did everything I asked for, like giving a BBBJ together, one licking balls and the other two taking turns sucking etc. Or one of them would give blowjob and the other two making out with me, kissing my neck, ears and so on. They would line up all three close together to let me go back and forth between them to eat their pussys. During this part of the session the attitude was pretty good. But when the fucking started the other two would sit on the couch fiddling with their phones or go into the bathroom, hence loosing the allure of the foursome. The petite mulata was the best, finished with CIF with her and then prolonged cuddling.

I communicated with them through whatsapp texting and have no idea if they come from some agency. Maybe you will get three other girls if you arrange a session. The girls stealing a couple of items was not a big problem, it was just 70 reais, but still left a little bit of a bad feeling. Also could have been prevented if I had been monitoring them more/told them to stay in bed, I just didn't expect that to happen, naive as I am.

I sessioned with a light skinned lady in 502 yesterday, she was not really beautiful and her beauty was a bit huge and then I went to playground, there were only 8 girls, I stayed from 6 pm to 9 pm. There was only one girl I like, she is black, beautiful and very nice. Her name is Rubi, I did not session with her because of my session in 502 and my morning fuck (twice in 502 and twice in the morning with a regular girl I met the day before yesterday). After cumming four times yesterday I needed more time to get my balls full. I never take any Viagra because I only like to be naturally sexual and fuck naturally.

My impression: Rio is not like before when it was easy to find any kind of woman. It is very difficult even impossible to find a Brazilian Caucasian. I remembered in the past before world cup it was not very difficult to meet Caucasians. There were Caucasian girls from the south and Sao Paulo here in Rio. Since I came to Rio 1 week ago, I sessioned with more blacks. Not easy to find descent white girls in Rio, they are too fat or faked, they don't have a beautiful face.

If you are into blacks or into huge ass, Rio is the perfect place for you. If you are more into European Brazilians better to go to Sao Paulo or the south of Brazil. I plan to stay few more weeks before moving to another city.

If anyone noticed a beautiful Brazilian Caucasian in a spot in Rio de Janeiro, it would be nice of you to share the info.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2051538]Termas Rio Antigo used to be on this same street at #2. I wonder if this is the same space or part of the same space? It was partially owned (if not 100%) by the guys who own 4 x4. Will poke around on the BR boards if I have time to try to find more info.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Rio Antigo, I never went there in the past so I can't tell you if the spaces are the same. What I know there are between 10 and 15 available girls in this terma. It depends on the day. I did not sessioned there I just visited.

MABS is more and more dead, the same girls, that means they are older and the same guys the quality is worse and worse, not new talents. I only stayed 30 minutes, I left after finishing off my orange juice.

Weekends are very dead in Rio de Janeiro, I ll check VM next weekend.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2051889]
If anyone noticed a beautiful Brazilian Caucasian in a spot in Rio de Janeiro, it would be nice of you to share the info.[/QUOTE]Termas Solarium caters to the rich Jardim Botanico Brazilian crowd that likes 'them white or at least not black. Generally Solarium has 1 token black girl and the rest in stages of caucasian to mulatta. Now obviousliy you're pulling from a Rio gene pool (vs. SP or the south as you note) but it's got to be the "whitest" terma I know off hand. You just won't get the value you've been finding in some of the other joints.

-Cartman.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2051889]My impression: Rio is not like before when it was easy to find any kind of woman. It is very difficult even impossible to find a Brazilian Caucasian. I remembered in the past before world cup it was not very difficult to meet Caucasians. There were Caucasian girls from the south and Sao Paulo here in Rio. Since I came to Rio 1 week ago, I sessioned with more blacks. Not easy to find descent white girls in Rio, they are too fat or faked, they don't have a beautiful face.[/QUOTE]This is an interesting observation indeed since on my previous trips to Rio, and as my photos will prove, I had no problems finding brancas at all of the establishments I visited. Well, maybe things have changed. All I can say is just wait a while. Nothing stays the same. Oh, and as Cartman says, go to Solarium LOL! Or to Sampa. Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Komo753;2052122]MABS is more and more dead, the same girls, that means they are older and the same guys the quality is worse and worse, not new talents. I only stayed 30 minutes, I left after finishing off my orange juice.

Weekends are very dead in Rio de Janeiro, I ll check VM next weekend.[/QUOTE]The reason why MABS is pretty much dead, because there is not enough gringo clientele. Even the so called new Help spot never pop because there is very few gringos that fly to Brazil, its not like the later 90's, early 2000's. That is my observation.

The Action is pretty much in the Termas, and the Termas are pretty much alive because local Brazilian men go there still to chill, relax and have a quick nut before they go home to the wife.

Maybe when Brazil flights and overall cost comes down, you will see more freelance spots like Mabs, pop with better talent.

I arrived at Playground at 7 pm, opened at 5 pm today instead of 12 pm. Because no girl came.

There was only one girl, it was very dead so I preferred to leave and not to waste my money with entrance and my time.

New in Playground, you need any flyer if you don't want to pay entrance, if not you have pay minimum 20 reais for consumption and 20 reais for entrance. Altogether 40 reais. The 20 reais consumption is compulsory with or without flyer. Fortunately I have 60 flyers in my place. I think I ll throw those flyers away because they will be useless to me, Playground is always dead, Thursday and Friday night, there were only 8 girls.

They have the best infrastructure but unfortunately they don't have girls.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2052333]Termas Solarium caters to the rich Jardim Botanico Brazilian crowd that likes 'them white or at least not black. Generally Solarium has 1 token black girl and the rest in stages of caucasian to mulatta. Now obviousliy you're pulling from a Rio gene pool (vs. SP or the south as you note) but it's got to be the "whitest" terma I know off hand. You just won't get the value you've been finding in some of the other joints.

-Cartman.[/QUOTE]I'll try this terma to have an idea.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2052337]This is an interesting observation indeed since on my previous trips to Rio, and as my photos will prove, I had no problems finding brancas at all of the establishments I visited. Well, maybe things have changed. All I can say is just wait a while. Nothing stays the same. Oh, and as Cartman says, go to Solarium LOL! Or to Sampa. Happy hunting![/QUOTE]I'll go back to Sampa for sure so that I can session with real European Brazilians, today I sessioned with a white Portuguese looking girl I sessioned with in 4 por 4, 5 months ago, she now works in a trash club because of the crisis, because there are less clients in the termas. I sessioned in the trash club because I had no choice I did not want to fuck up my day.

I was in Sampa for two weeks in my last trip to Brazil, It was very easy to find any kind of woman, especially European women.

I plan to try Manhattan and Cancun Wednesday and Thursday.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2052724]The reason why MABS is pretty much dead, because there is not enough gringo clientele. Even the so called new Help spot never pop because there is very few gringos that fly to Brazil, its not like the later 90's, early 2000's. That is my observation.

The Action is pretty much in the Termas, and the Termas are pretty much alive because local Brazilian men go there still to chill, relax and have a quick nut before they go home to the wife.

Maybe when Brazil flights and overall cost comes down, you will see more freelance spots like Mabs, pop with better talent.[/QUOTE]Totally agree.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2052333]Termas Solarium caters to the rich Jardim Botanico Brazilian crowd that likes 'them white or at least not black. Generally Solarium has 1 token black girl and the rest in stages of caucasian to mulatta. Now obviousliy you're pulling from a Rio gene pool (vs. SP or the south as you note) but it's got to be the "whitest" terma I know off hand. You just won't get the value you've been finding in some of the other joints.

-Cartman.[/QUOTE]Correct-the girls there don't really go hard in the quarto cause the crowd is rich and not as cost-conscious as the blue collar Centro tier 2/3/ trash crowd who expect the girl to really go in for their hard earned reais and if theyre gonna part with it,the meninas better earn it.

Hence why I prefer mostly all brazilian spots cause I want to be f*cked like they f*ck those dudes-and they do in majority of cases try very hard. Pay less for more?

Absurd but oh so true.

Once she's proven herself to me in there I can take her out of the establishment.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2052333]Termas Solarium caters to the rich Jardim Botanico Brazilian crowd that likes 'them white or at least not black. Generally Solarium has 1 token black girl and the rest in stages of caucasian to mulatta. Now obviousliy you're pulling from a Rio gene pool (vs. SP or the south as you note) but it's got to be the "whitest" terma I know off hand. You just won't get the value you've been finding in some of the other joints.

-Cartman.[/QUOTE]That's why I don't really like termas in zona sul, they are not good performers, it is more about money, the less you pay, the more you enjoy with the girl, the only terma I really like is Cancun, they are stricter to girls and better organized. It is more laid back, girls are not aggressive and most girls are educated. I've never had any bad experience in this terma, finally I ll try this terma today.

I was in Sao Paulo in my last trip for almost 2 weeks, I went to few high end clubs, I found many European Brazilians, I paid like 500,600 reais all night, there was a girl that did not charge me for another night. Sao Paulo is the best city if you want to find any kind of woman, the problem is it is very expensive to travel from a club to another club because it is not like Rio or every brothel is close to your place. , You always need to pay expensive to enter a club, spend more money on taxi, pay to take the girl out or pay the room separate, that's why nothing will be like Rio De Janeiro in the past. There are also many clinicas in Sao Paulo, I am not into clinicas, many girls are not good looking or you can not chill and talk to the lady before going to the room, that's why I prefer clubs and termas over prives.

About the city, I prefer Rio de Janeiro, About girl quality I prefer Sao Paulo. Maybe the good time in Rio de Janeiro will come back. I don't think less tourists, more and more locals have no money.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2051889]I sessioned with a light skinned lady in 502 yesterday, she was not really beautiful and her beauty was a bit huge and then I went to playground, there were only 8 girls, I stayed from 6 pm to 9 pm. There was only one girl I like, she is black, beautiful and very nice. Her name is Rubi, I did not session with her because of my session in 502 and my morning fuck (twice in 502 and twice in the morning with a regular girl I met the day before yesterday). After cumming four times yesterday I needed more time to get my balls full. I never take any Viagra because I only like to be naturally sexual and fuck naturally.

My impression: Rio is not like before when it was easy to find any kind of woman. It is very difficult even impossible to find a Brazilian Caucasian. I remembered in the past before world cup it was not very difficult to meet Caucasians. There were Caucasian girls from the south and Sao Paulo here in Rio. Since I came to Rio 1 week ago, I sessioned with more blacks. Not easy to find descent white girls in Rio, they are too fat or faked, they don't have a beautiful face.

If you are into blacks or into huge ass, Rio is the perfect place for you. If you are more into European Brazilians better to go to Sao Paulo or the south of Brazil. I plan to stay few more weeks before moving to another city.

If anyone noticed a beautiful Brazilian Caucasian in a spot in Rio de Janeiro, it would be nice of you to share the info.[/QUOTE]This is very strange and very concerning. There were always plenty of brancas from Rio and the suburbs in the top termas. There were also a few from Minas Gerais, the South and elsewhere. I never went into a terma with a type of girl in mind, but it was nice to know there would be a lot of variety.

This young woman was a Centaurus girl who I invited back to my apartment a few years back. I consider her branca. She had a pretty Italian / Spanish look. She also had nice BC cup breasts. When she got up to walk to the bathroom, I admired her hourglass figure. She was from Brasilia. I wish I asked her to take her thong off. When I'm taking photos, I'm shy about taking lots of shots.

I wonder if now the top Rio termas have many girls from other States.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2052724]The reason why MABS is pretty much dead, because there is not enough gringo clientele. Even the so called new Help spot never pop because there is very few gringos that fly to Brazil, its not like the later 90's, early 2000's. That is my observation.

The Action is pretty much in the Termas, and the Termas are pretty much alive because local Brazilian men go there still to chill, relax and have a quick nut before they go home to the wife.

Maybe when Brazil flights and overall cost comes down, you will see more freelance spots like Mabs, pop with better talent.[/QUOTE]I came across and read your post. I had 2 trips to Rio in 2000 and I can't believe it has been 17 years now. Took a few very memorable girls out of HELP and really had a blast in the Termas and just exploring the city. From your comment it must be completely different now which is too bad as I have been wanting to get back to Rio for 17 years now but too many other destination (like my month in the Philippines where I just returned from).

TTM.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2053171]I came across and read your post. I had 2 trips to Rio in 2000 and I can't believe it has been 17 years now. Took a few very memorable girls out of HELP and really had a blast in the Termas and just exploring the city. From your comment it must be completely different now which is too bad as I have been wanting to get back to Rio for 17 years now but too many other destination (like my month in the Philippines where I just returned from).[/QUOTE]The Rio government has been successful in the fight to push prostitution under the radar. Copacabana is no longer ground zero for action. Without easy congregation points like Help and elsewhere in Copa, many mongers seem to have lost interest. I also think more hotties hightail it to Europe. The action is also more expensive than the period between the late 90's-mid 2000's. I'm not sure about high airfares. They were extremely cheap offseason in the early 2000's, but Avianca offers deals today. I'm not sure why the major USA Airlines keep fares to Brazil so high.

Frankly, the scene was getting quite ridiculous in the 2000's. It wasn't just the circus outside Help at night. Some indiscreet mongers would sit in cafes in the afternoon and have graphic conversations with the girls. I'm sure this didn't go without notice by the authorities. However, I don't understand how the government was able to discourage the beach scene at Posto 5. There were always many hot local girls available on the beach in the afternoon. The girls were always more discreet (with the exception of smiles and winks) than the guys. Typically, you could get a good price on a quick afternoon visit to your Copa apartment.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2053238] However, I don't understand how the government was able to discourage the beach scene at Posto 5. There were always many hot local girls available on the beach in the afternoon. The girls were always more discreet (with the exception of smiles and winks) than the guys. Typically, you could get a good price on a quick afternoon visit to your Copa apartment.[/QUOTE]I think the decline of Hoe Beach can be based on 3 factors.

1) The dollar was in the toilet for a few years so many mongers started going to other countries where we got more bang for our bucks. Fewer mongers in Copa meant that many of the girls were starving for reais and had to look elsewhere for work. Europe / getting married to their favorite client and hightailing it to America, etc.

2) The price of rent went sky high in Copa after Brasil won the World Cup and the Olympics. The girls were already staying 4 -5 deep in one bedroom apartments, but with the prices increasing, they couldn't afford to stay in Copa any longer.

3) Help closing and the policy changes in Meia Pataca was the nail in the coffin. Girls arent going to take the bus 2-3 hours from their favela to copa on the chance that they might make some money on Hoe Beach. Too far, too much money and too much time wasted if they don't land a client. In addition, after MP spent alot of money renovating the spot, they changed their policy with the girls. No longer could they sit in the restaurant for hours nursing a single beer! The waiters were pressuring them to spend more money or else they had to leave.

The last 3 trips I took to Rio, I doubt if I saw more than 2 GDPs working hoe beach, it was depressing. It was all european guys and some families sitting where dozens of GDPs used to be.

I went to Cancun, there were about 30 girls, there were only two girl I was interested in, one was busy with a client and the other one was downstairs.

I only ate one pizza and drink few drinks before leaving. I did not session.

Exec Talent: I asked people working there which place is better. They all say Cancun is better than Manhattan, the atmosphere is better. There is a lot of competition between Cancun and Manhattan?

Playground: I went to Playground after Cancun, there were only few girls, I only drank two drinks before leaving. No girl I really like.

Mabs is very dead, the streets were empty. , there was no beautiful girl, not many people in Mabs.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2053168]This is very strange and very concerning. There were always plenty of brancas from Rio and the suburbs in the top termas. There were also a few from Minas Gerais, the South and elsewhere. I never went into a terma with a type of girl in mind, but it was nice to know there would be a lot of variety.

This young woman was a Centaurus girl who I invited back to my apartment a few years back. I consider her branca. She had a pretty Italian / Spanish look. She also had nice BC cup breasts. When she got up to walk to the bathroom, I admired her hourglass figure. She was from Brasilia. I wish I asked her to take her thong off. When I'm taking photos, I'm shy about taking lots of shots.

I wonder if now the top Rio termas have many girls from other States.[/QUOTE]I saw few white women in Rio de Janeiro, like in Cancun, there are many white women but most of them have big ass and / or don't have European features, there was only one white girl with European features that has no big ass in Cancun.

It is not impossible to find white women in Rio de Janeiro, many of them are not slim or don't have European features, they have some mixed features. It is easy to find white women with mixed features in Rio de Janeiro, very difficult to find slim white women with European features like Spanish and Portuguese women and impossible to find slim white women with European features, with colored eyes and with natural blond, light brown or red hair.

I can fuck any girl (black morena and mulata), I don't have trouble with huge ass but when I pay more and go to a terma, I want a girl I really like if there is no girl I like in a terma, I prefer not to spend money and go to another place to pay cheaper for the same girl. If I really like the girl I don't care about the price. When I pay a high price, I am very picky. If it is free or cheap I can fuck any girl that's nice to me.

Why don't I go to Europe? Two reasons.

Tired of cold.

Because I love Brazilian accents especially the one from the south. The accent is sexy.

Termas have many girls from other states but not from the south. Most girls are from Rio de Janeiro, and some from the north and the center of Brazil.

Komo753,

Very astute observations on the decline of Hoe Beach.

I hope I don't get myself in trouble here, but it seemed Hoe Beach had mostly mulattas and morenas perhaps from the favelas. If I met a European-looking termas girl, she might meet me at Ipanema Beach, but never, never Posto 5. Many girls thought there was a stigma hanging out there with gringoes. There were also programs girls who showed total disdain for Brazilian girls going topless.

I would add one other reason that others have noted. Programa girls don't want to be photographed sitting on the beach with gringoes. Many of these photos and videos wound up on the internet. I've taken photos in the termas cabins with permission. I presume if you pulled out a phone to take a photo in the termas main floor, you would lose your phone and maybe get your ass beat.

T31 was very dead yesterday, there were only 5 girls, only one fuckable girl, too mechanical so I sent her packing.

502 was dead too, no girl I like, there were only 6 girls, my advise is to go to 502 only Mondays because you don't need to consume 20 reais, because the entrance is free. There were more girls Monday than yesterday. I only stayed 2 hours in centro.

The only clean places there are many girls for sure in Centro are MV30,65, Cancun and 4 por 4. I plan to go to Manhattan today.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2053720]Komo753,

Very astute observations on the decline of Hoe Beach.

I hope I don't get myself in trouble here, but it seemed Hoe Beach had mostly mulattas and morenas perhaps from the favelas. If I met a European-looking termas girl, she might meet me at Ipanema Beach, but never, never Posto 5. Many girls thought there was a stigma hanging out there with gringoes. There were also programs girls who showed total disdain for Brazilian girls going topless.

I would add one other reason that others have noted. Programa girls don't want to be photographed sitting on the beach with gringoes. Many of these photos and videos wound up on the internet. I've taken photos in the termas cabins with permission. I presume if you pulled out a phone to take a photo in the termas main floor, you would lose your phone and maybe get your ass beat.[/QUOTE]I met few terma girls outside termas in my apartment, it is not my habit because I often fuck pros in brothels, even in Mabs I never picked up any girl, I brought more regular girls to my place, since I came to Rio de Janeiro I only brought two girls to my place, they are regulars, not pro, I met one in Lapa, she works as a nurse in a public hospital and another one in a samba school. I did not give them any cash, I just invited them to eat in a restaurant and have sex with them for free, now I want to stop seeing them because I am in Rio to enjoy more pussies I am not here for love affair, I always find an excuse. They call me all the time, sometimes they come to my place. I speak Portuguese I don't have trouble picking up regulars. When you fuck regular girls, it is more difficult to get rid of them, when you fuck pros, you just pay and they leave even if they want to meet you you can send them packing because they were paid for sex. Sometimes I like regular girls even if I know I ll have more trouble later. In the terma, I never take pictures because I respect other men's privacy, because some men are married. In the terma it is forbidden to take pictures not because of the girls but because of the men, because they are married and they don't want to be seen in a brothel. Ex if it was allowed to take pictures in Cancun or any brothel, I would never have gone to Cancun or any brothel, I don't want any pic of me being in a brothel on internet.

Arrived in Rio last night. Thanks for the advice on the Universal Cambio in Copa, I got a good rate at 4. 7% higher than the internet rate and meant that I didn't have to travel to / from Centro carrying large amounts of cash. Not been in Rio since 2015 so it is good to be back. Work activities mean that visits to prives this time will be unlikely and evening runs to termas will be the modus operandi this time. Will try to do a tour of the Centro prives.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2053998]Arrived in Rio last night. Thanks for the advice on the Universal Cambio in Copa, I got a good rate at 4. 7% higher than the internet rate and meant that I didn't have to travel to / from Centro carrying large amounts of cash. Not been in Rio since 2015 so it is good to be back. Work activities mean that visits to prives this time will be unlikely and evening runs to termas will be the modus operandi this time. Will try to do a tour of the Centro prives.[/QUOTE]Just beware of some unknown prives, just go to the known ones that have been listed on the forum. Don't go to centro in the morning, there is nothing, better to go from 2-3 pm. Better to hit termas from 5 pm.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2053475]It is easy to find white women with mixed features in Rio de Janeiro, very difficult to find slim white women with European features like Spanish and Portuguese women and impossible to find slim white women with European features, with colored eyes and with natural blond, light brown or red hair.[/QUOTE]When I read stuff like this, it just strikes me as so much misinformation. It's simply not the Rio that I know! Now, I happen to like white girls with a narrow waist and a plump bubble butt. However, I do go for brancas with slimmer body types too. Slimmer brancas with pretty European features. And whenever I've been to Rio, those types were to be found all over the place! I've posted just a few pictures from my collection as proof. I don't know. It has been a while since I've been to Rio. Maybe things have changed. But what you say. Again. That's not the Rio I know and love! Sao Paulo also has more than enough brancas to sate my appetites. And Rio traditionally has as well.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2054077]When I read stuff like this, it just strikes me as so much misinformation. It's simply not the Rio that I know! Now, I happen to like white girls with a narrow waist and a plump bubble butt. However, I do go for brancas with slimmer body types too. Slimmer brancas with pretty European features. And whenever I've been to Rio, those types were to be found all over the place! I've posted just a few pictures from my collection as proof. I don't know. It has been a while since I've been to Rio. Maybe things have changed. But what you say. Again. That's not the Rio I know and love! Sao Paulo also has more than enough brancas to sate my appetites. And Rio traditionally has as well.[/QUOTE]They are many brancas but not slimmer, but it is not easy to find, Rio really changed, it is worse than my last trip 4 months ago. Sao Paulo is better, I plan to go back there in few weeks.

In Cancun there is a slim white girl, some trash clubs also, but it is very difficult to find, I've never seen any white girl from the south in Rio. I went to many termas. Natural blond, red or light brown hair with colored eyes and beautiful features. Most of the white girls in Rio I can say they are Brazilian or Latin. In Sao Paulo there are some girls you can't believe they are Brazilian. I checked the pictures as I said you can find some slim white women but it is not easy.

Manhattan is OK but I prefer Cancun over Manhattan, there is a better atmosphere, they tried to charge me 10 per cent because I am gringo, I did not pay 10 per cent maybe they thought I can't read. On the paper, it is written nao cobramos 10% that means we don't charge 10 per cent.

I sessioned with a girl, it was good as always I've never had any trouble in Cancun. Manhattan is Cancun too, it is the same owner. Just the staff in Manhattan will try to charge you 10 per cent if you are a gringo and new. Or they will ask tip. I never tipped anybody in Cancun. It is useless to tip people in Brazil because the service is always the same, nobody is your friend, only your money and health are your real friends, the only people you can tip are the girls you session with when you are very happy, or people that will give you some extra for free and you are really happy about the service.

Playground is shitty, I will never go back there anymore, the organization is shitty, the staff is maybe friendly in the start but later you will know their real face, I've had the worst experience with a girl, I did not want to session with her when we were upstairs because she had genital warts, I study for medicine 7 years and worked in labo 2 years, I know how easy to get it when the wounds are open, when the wound is closed you ll never get it but only when the wound is open and very visible. She had many wounds on her vagina and around her vagina I lost 120 reais because I did not want to session, you have to pay before you go to the room unlike other termas you only pay after the session, in Cancun I had some trouble with a girl 4 months ago, I called the reception, the manager cancelled the session, the girl did not want to do anal. She changed her mind when we were in the room. It was about a service problem, Cancun and termas are better organized. In Playground they don't really select women so just be careful, better to go to real termas because they always select women, even in trash clubs I've never seen that. Better to go to terma if you want good experience.

P.S: French is my first language, not English. Canada is not only English.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2054077]When I read stuff like this, it just strikes me as so much misinformation. It's simply not the Rio that I know! Now, I happen to like white girls with a narrow waist and a plump bubble butt. However, I do go for brancas with slimmer body types too. Slimmer brancas with pretty European features. And whenever I've been to Rio, those types were to be found all over the place! I've posted just a few pictures from my collection as proof. I don't know. It has been a while since I've been to Rio. Maybe things have changed. But what you say. Again. That's not the Rio I know and love! Sao Paulo also has more than enough brancas to sate my appetites. And Rio traditionally has as well.[/QUOTE]Great photos!!! Good and discreet. No reason to keep posting the faces of long, retired programa girls.

Do you know what year you met Sher? I knew a blonde Sher at 4X4 around 2003. She was always up for anything. Her English was very good and she once helped get three additional girls my crew was interested in to come to our apartment after 4X4. Crazy, crazy night! Sher was the ringleader.

I'm not a foot fetish guy, but man o man Sher got some big dogs in your photo.

The last year I have visited Rio 4 x for 3-4 days trips and I had not been there in 6 years. Rio is NOT the same place as it was during the good ole "Help Days" before it closed but a good time can still be had there you just have to know what you are doing / have a game plan. Copacabana is dead when it comes to the availability of free lancers in the day time they are no where to be found from my observations compared to back in the days. For the afternoon I suggest visit the Termas in Copacabana and Centro also hit up the office buildings but you have to put in leg work. This is one big negative I have of Copa now is that it is dead during the night time in my opinion especially at Mabs where the talent is horrible in my opinion. The best talent in Rio is in the Termas and always has been where you can find 8-10's who go all out and fuck your brains out. I need to try the escort scene out there but my only negative about using escorts is that I'm the type of monger who likes to interview my prey before I session with and feel them out. Now Rio at it's present state all you need is 4 days max if you plan to go hard in my opinion and that's with doing the Termas.

Went to 4 x4 last night. Not sure I'm going to add anything new to the board but perhaps it may be useful to post a summary for any newbies planning a trip:

1) Used metro from Copa to Uruguaiana. I think this is the quickest / easiest way to Centro and there are metro stops close to all centres of action (Largo do Machado, Carioca, Uruguaiana). Ticket price is 4. 30 RS. Best thing is to buy a pre-pago metrorio card for 5. 00 RS and load it up for use. You need to buy from the ticket booth (minimum charge is 5 RS) but after that you can recharge at the many machines and avoid waiting in line for tickets. Choose the right barrier to go through. Use the ones signed for metrocard. There are barriers for Riocards as well (a different travel card).

2) I haven't been here since 2015 so the tram lines on Rio Branco were a surprise. As was the advertising sign for 4 x4 on the street sign for Rua Buenos Aires on Rio Branco!

3) as you come out of the metro on Rua Miguel Couto, take any of the roads leading off it and you will have options (prives, termas) on these streets. Alfandega, Buenos Aires, Rosario and Ouvidor. After the barrier, if you walk straight ahead you will come to Rua Miguel Couto and the Rio Branco options, if you turn left you will come out on Av. Presidente Vargas and can cross over to the 'dark side' options.

4) arrived at 4 x4 at 5 pm. Was fairly quiet and was a lot livelier when I was leaving at 7 pm. Seems to be pretty much the same as it was on my last visit in 2015. Yesterday afternoon there seemed to be little variety in body shape. Mainly fairly thin girls with round (but not huge) asses and smallish natural tits, it that is your thing. When I left at 7 pm there was a bit more variety with a few 'horse asses' (as I believe Sperto likes to call them) and few chubby types. I didn't see any huge-titted girls (natural or silicone). I guess I've been spoiled with big naturals in Sao Paulo. I have never gone to the Wiskeria downstairs but everything was happening in the main boate. With the back boate (along the corridor past the changing rooms and up the stairs) pretty dead.

5) I choose Lara. A short morena carioca with a nice large / hard butt and small silicone implants (that point the nipples out sideways, but I tried not to focus on that! No holds barred in the boate (kissing and groping) which is a good sign. Said she does anal but I didn't partake Went with her for one hour. Had a great time. Nice big ass, large 'meat curtains' (as Alexis Texas refers to them in one of her videos), good kisser. Overall not an earth-shattering time, but very good and worth a try.

6) Total cost was 368 RS - 340 for simple suite for 1 hour and 8 RS for bottle of water. An earlier post has photos of the price lists for 4 x4, Cancun and T65. If you session before 6 pm then the entrance fee (50 RS) is waived.

Seems business as usual at 4 x4 but a little quieter than it was 2010-2015.

[QUOTE=PanaNyc;2054269]The last year I have visited Rio 4 x for 3-4 days trips and I had not been there in 6 years. Rio is NOT the same place as it was during the good ole "Help Days" before it closed but a good time can still be had there you just have to know what you are doing / have a game plan. Copacabana is dead when it comes to the availability of free lancers in the day time they are no where to be found from my observations compared to back in the days. For the afternoon I suggest visit the Termas in Copacabana and Centro also hit up the office buildings but you have to put in leg work. This is one big negative I have of Copa now is that it is dead during the night time in my opinion especially at Mabs where the talent is horrible in my opinion. The best talent in Rio is in the Termas and always has been where you can find 8-10's who go all out and fuck your brains out. I need to try the escort scene out there but my only negative about using escorts is that I'm the type of monger who likes to interview my prey before I session with and feel them out. Now Rio at it's present state all you need is 4 days max if you plan to go hard in my opinion and that's with doing the Termas.[/QUOTE]Finally I won't extend my stay in Rio or in Brazil, I will move to Japan July 20. Rio is good only for short time, 3-4 days maximum, Termas are the best options in Rio de Janeiro, better organized, you don't waste your time, time is more important for us.

Copacabana is very dead, Escort websites are like everywhere, you will never get the girl like on the picture so yeah termas are the best option in Rio de Janeiro, you can chill, talk to the girl, if you don't want the girl after interviewing her she leaves you. When you session you always get your money's worth, I just got a bad experience in 4 por 4, but it was not really bad experience, the girl was using her cellphone, she stopped using I asked her to stop. In termas just avoid any girl that ask you to go up and the pushy girls, that means the service won't be good. I noticed in Cancun the girls don't use any cellphone. Cancun is very strict.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2054226]Do you know what year you met Sher? I knew a blonde Sher at 4X4 around 2003. She was always up for anything. Her English was very good and she once helped get three additional girls my crew was interested in to come to our apartment after 4X4. Crazy, crazy night! Sher was the ringleader. I'm not a foot fetish guy, but man o man Sher got some big dogs in your photo.[/QUOTE]Hey Wyatt,

Yeah we're talking about the same one! Met her at 4 X4 in the mid-2000's or so. A cute Euro-Brazilian looking blonde who kept giving me big smiles in the boite LOL! She had a great attitude, spoke decent English, and really went all out to please. One of my favorites of all time! I remember having to struggle to prevent my boner from popping through my robe as we would leave hand-in-hand for a room LOL! Sher loved to give BBBJ / CIM service. She was good at it too and would always urge me, "Cum in my mouth, cum in my mouth! I like it!" I gladly obliged hehehe! Those were the days! And funny you should mention her feet as I never really noticed until I looked at the same photo. It was my job to curl them toes hahaha!

[QUOTE=Komo753;2054214]you have to pay before you go to the room unlike other termas you only pay after the session,.[/QUOTE]To my knowledge, you pay up-front for the session at 502 and T31 also, and maybe MV30 (can't remember). It's more of a 2nd-tier terma approach. Playground is somewhere between trying to be a 2nd-tier term and a Privee.

Sorry to hear you had a bad experience! That sucks!

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2054467]To my knowledge, you pay up-front for the session at 502 and T31 also, and maybe MV30 (can't remember). [/QUOTE]Unless it has changed in recent years (since 2015), you pay after the session in MV30.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2054476]Unless it has changed in recent years (since 2015), you pay after the session in MV30.[/QUOTE]MV30 you ways pay after the session, nothing changed, mv30 is also a good terma just sometimes they don't have good looking girls.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2054417]Hey Wyatt,

Yeah we're talking about the same one! Met her at 4 X4 in the mid-2000's or so. A cute Euro-Brazilian looking blonde who kept giving me big smiles in the boite LOL! She had a great attitude, spoke decent English, and really went all out to please. One of my favorites of all time! I remember having to struggle to prevent my boner from popping through my robe as we would leave hand-in-hand for a room LOL! Sher loved to give BBBJ / CIM service. She was good at it too and would always urge me, "Cum in my mouth, cum in my mouth! I like it!" I gladly obliged hehehe! Those were the days! And funny you should mention her feet as I never really noticed until I looked at the same photo. It was my job to curl them toes hahaha![/QUOTE]That's funny. Sher is a great memory. She arranged a 4 on 4 at our apartment after the termas closed one night. We kind of handpicked the girls in 4 x4 later in the evening. I remember we said meet us at our apartment building at 1:00 am. We stopped at TA for awhile to check out the scene. When we got back to our apartment, Sher and company were waiting. So much for flaky, tardy termas girls. The girls got down to business. I joked on the old WSG that that this crew could changed a condom every time we switched partners like an Indy pit crew changing tires. I remember my buddy banging Sher as she braced herself standing in the bathroom doorway. Sher at one point had one leg up. Now I understand how those big feet kept her balanced. Ha-ha!

If I went down with a crew, I would start feeling out the girls at the termas about a "festa" as they were affectionately called. Unfortunately, my crew, while still in touch, does not travel together anymore. Too many grown-up commitments.

It was very busy in Cancun from 6 pm, I only chill, talk to girls and kiss some girls because I thought I will go up with them. I did not session.

There were many men, many of them did not session, they just drink and talk. Many girls were pushy and wanted me to go up, when there are more men, women are more under stress because they think they ll get more clients but finally they get zero clien, another girl told me lets go to the room, there are 2 men that already want to session with me. I said no problem you can join those clients; I am here to chill with a girl before fucking. I don't go to terma for fast fuck. Another girl left me for another client and finally she did not go up with the client and stayed with her friends, she came back to me at 10.30 pm and say now it is late lest go to the room, I said I don't want anymore, maybe Monday.

I only spent 72 reais yesterday, I kissed and touched 3 girls, there were some guys singing and playing instruments.

I never buy drinks for the girls that ask me. I just offer drinks to girls that are very nice, I talked to a girl yesterday, she is very talkative, patient, not pushy, very nice and not too professional. I offered her some drinks. She was not my type, finally she got a client, she is very new in Cancun. She stayed with a client few hours before going up. Some girls ask me to buy pizza, I sent them packing.

When there are more guys it is more stressful, most guys only stay with their friend or just drink and talk to the girls.

Went to Cancun yesterday afternoon, but didn't session, and then went to 4 x4 and sessioned. Each terma has its own vibe and I guess Cancun in the late afternoon doesn't do it for it me (note: I've never been to Cancun in the evening, it may be different).

Over the 8 years, I've been to Cancun about 6-7 times now, always in the late afternoon (4-5 ish) and only sessioned once (maybe twice? When I have gone it has always been very quiet with very few girls in the boate, and most of them just sit around and ignore you. From time to time girls walk in (I guess coming upstairs from the Wiskeria), ignore you, then walk out. The girls don't seem to be very interactive. Two girls did catch my eye. I talked to a girl called Gabriella for a while, who was very pretty and I would have gone with her, but she was covered in multiple large tattoos which is a turn off for me (I don't mind a few but when vast tracts of the body are covered, it doesn't do it for me). When I was changing to leave, the pretty girl with big naturals, who had walked in and out of the boate earlier, walked past so I called her over (with a plan to re-robe). Unfortunately seeing her face to face, I saw she was another tattoo-lover (multiple large ones) with a huge butterfly across her beautiful breasts, so I had to pass.

70 RS entry to Cancun, one bottle of water, one hour wasted. I know the place gets positive reviews but it has never worked for me as a late afternoon spot. I have tried multiple times now with the same result. Go there of you like tattoos.

After Cancun, I went over to 4 x4, and a completely different vibe. More lively and the girls interact with you lot more. They will come up and talk to you (grab your dick sometimes), and for me it is a more enjoyable experience, even if I don't session. This time I went with Charlotte. A gaucha from Porto Alegre, blond, very white-skinned with classic 1950's style bright red lipstick. Nice big bunda, silicone tits but they looked natural. Overall, ok, but not great. Not one to recommend. Wasn't very interactive in the suite. Not as good as Lara the night before. Again, total cost was 368 RS, 1 hour session (360) and bottle of water (8).

The boate was starting to liven up as I left at 7. 30 pm. Outside, there was a protest on Rio Branco, with lots of Police and with helicopters circling overhead, so I quickly got out of the way and headed for the metro back to Copa.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2054793]Went to Cancun yesterday afternoon, but didn't session, and then went to 4 x4 and sessioned. Each terma has its own vibe and I guess Cancun in the late afternoon doesn't do it for it me (note: I've never been to Cancun in the evening, it may be different).

Over the 8 years, I've been to Cancun about 6-7 times now, always in the late afternoon (4-5 ish) and only sessioned once (maybe twice? When I have gone it has always been very quiet with very few girls in the boate, and most of them just sit around and ignore you. From time to time girls walk in (I guess coming upstairs from the Wiskeria), ignore you, then walk out. The girls don't seem to be very interactive. Two girls did catch my eye. I talked to a girl called Gabriella for a while, who was very pretty and I would have gone with her, but she was covered in multiple large tattoos which is a turn off for me (I don't mind a few but when vast tracts of the body are covered, it doesn't do it for me). When I was changing to leave, the pretty girl with big naturals, who had walked in and out of the boate earlier, walked past so I called her over (with a plan to re-robe). Unfortunately seeing her face to face, I saw she was another tattoo-lover (multiple large ones) with a huge butterfly across her beautiful breasts, so I had to pass..[/QUOTE]Cancun (Manhattan) is busier from 6 pm, I have no more interest in going back there. There were only 3 girls I like, I fucked two of them, the third one was too pro and fast so I preferred not to session with her. I went to Cancun, Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday and Manhattan (whiskeria) below Cancun Thursday. I did not session Tuesday and Friday in Cancun.

Cancun is a bit dead sometimes and the girls don't interact unlike 4 por 4. It is more a talk terma, if you like to talk to the girls and get laid, Cancun is a good place. But sometimes at night Cancun is busy. Like Thursday and Friday at night, other days, it is very dead. And the girls don't seem to be motivate, some look tired. There are still many girls that were still there last year (2016). There are not many new talents. Fortunately the two girls I sessioned with seemed to be motivate, patient and very nice and they are new in Cancun.

Drinks are more expensive than 4 por 4, one coke cost 13 reais.

I planned to go to 65 Monday but I think I will try 4 por 4, next week will be the week of 4 por 4 and I ll tell you my view.

I plan to go to 4 por 4 at 3 pm and try to session before 6 pm, if not I won't session. If you plan to go to 4 por 4, just let me know we can meet up in the station or in Mabs before going to centro, I ll be in 4 por 4 at 3 pm.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2054417]Hey Wyatt,

Yeah we're talking about the same one! Met her at 4 X4 in the mid-2000's or so. A cute Euro-Brazilian looking blonde who kept giving me big smiles in the boite LOL! She had a great attitude, spoke decent English, and really went all out to please. One of my favorites of all time! I remember having to struggle to prevent my boner from popping through my robe as we would leave hand-in-hand for a room LOL! Sher loved to give BBBJ / CIM service. She was good at it too and would always urge me, "Cum in my mouth, cum in my mouth! I like it!" I gladly obliged hehehe! Those were the days! And funny you should mention her feet as I never really noticed until I looked at the same photo. It was my job to curl them toes hahaha![/QUOTE]Nice pics -never took Sher but she had really cute cousins their that were no joke! Always heard excellent reviews from wingmen about her though.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2054476]Unless it has changed in recent years (since 2015), you pay after the session in MV30.[/QUOTE]Mv has always been after. The others before. Centaurus also before. Safados.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2054913]Cancun (Manhattan) is busier from 6 pm, I have no more interest in going back there. There were only 3 girls I like, I fucked two of them, the third one was too pro and fast so I preferred not to session with her. I went to Cancun, Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday and Manhattan (whiskeria) below Cancun Thursday. I did not session Tuesday and Friday in Cancun.

Cancun is a bit dead sometimes and the girls don't interact unlike 4 por 4. It is more a talk terma, if you like to talk to the girls and get laid, Cancun is a good place. But sometimes at night Cancun is busy. Like Thursday and Friday at night, other days, it is very dead. And the girls don't seem to be motivate, some look tired. There are still many girls that were still there last year (2016). There are not many new talents. Fortunately the two girls I sessioned with seemed to be motivate, patient and very nice and they are new in Cancun.

Drinks are more expensive than 4 por 4, one coke cost 13 reais.

I planned to go to 65 Monday but I think I will try 4 por 4, next week will be the week of 4 por 4 and I ll tell you my view.

I plan to go to 4 por 4 at 3 pm and try to session before 6 pm, if not I won't session. If you plan to go to 4 por 4, just let me know we can meet up in the station or in Mabs before going to centro, I ll be in 4 por 4 at 3 pm.[/QUOTE]Yes Cancun is fraco on talent-always has been. I have been with 2 good ones-only 2-in countless visits.

Tomorrow I will hit every low life spot in centro and t31,mv, afrodite etc and end at VM. Its going to get ugly. I've been seeing non-pro gfs since I came Friday till today so tomorrow I'm aiming to do 4 sessions. Its not often I do but a good 3 sessions from 7 pm to 5 am would be a great welcome back.

I came to 4 por 4 at 2 pm today. I sessioned with Fernanda she doesn't do anal, she let me know she doesn't accept anal before going to the room. , 1 hour 360 reais, I met her at 4 pm05 and stayed with her 1 hour and 20 minutes more or less. I did not pay the entrance because I sessioned before 6 pm.

The service was good, she stayed in the club with me 1 hour and 20 minutes before going to the room for 1 hour, she was very fast in the start but I let her know I prefer to chill with the girl before going up, show me how motivate you are, finally she stayed with me 1 hour and 20 minutes, I kissed her, touched her, she danced for me, she grabbed my dick etc, after 15 minutes she asked me a redbull, I said if I pay the redbull, I can't do the programma, after another 15 minutes she wanted to leave but I kept her from leaving, I said relax we have time, 6 pm is far off and then she stayed with me one hour, we continued kissing, touch each each other. 5 pm30, now it is time to go up.

When I go to the terma, I like to enjoy kissing, touching the girls for 1 hour or 2 hours before going up. I always find an excuse not to buy drinks. In Cancun I offer drinks because I have no choice I have to consume 70 reais. Before going to the room, I like to act like an employer, check how motivate the girl is to make money from me.

[QUOTE=Safado69;2055218]Nice pics -never took Sher but she had really cute cousins their that were no joke! Always heard excellent reviews from wingmen about her though.[/QUOTE]Sher still works in 4 por 4, she is a bit old, I don't know if we are talking about the same sher, she came to me and talked to me few minutes, I was not really interested in her, she is a bit old. She said her name (Sher), she is white, still she has some mixed features. She is not white like the ones you meet in the south. You can still say she is Latin, she looks like a white Latin. Some girls in the south and Porto Alegre you can't believe they are brazilian.

I visited VM Saturday, it was a very busy day there, for the first time in this visit in Rio de Janeiro, I saw a really white woman, with blue eyes and nature blond hair and European features. Many guys went to her but nobody sessioned, she asked too much like 120 reais 30 minutes. I was listening to her talking to the clients, many left because it is too expensive for VM. I did not session with her because I hate the rooms in VM I was just there for a visit. VM is very stressful for me It is always miss or hit, so I prefer not to risk.

I went to 4 por 4 at 3 pm, I met Carin at 3.30 pm (I don't know if the name is correctly spelled). I stayed with her two hours before going to the room, after one hour I was not sure to session with her. I told myself maybe I ll session with her another day and go to another brothel so I left her 20 minutes and then I came back to her and finally I decided to stay with her another one hour and go to the room before 6 pm, we kept touching each other, kissing each other, she kept grabbing my dick, we kept dancing.

The atmosphere in 4 por 4 is way better than Cancun. It is more lively.

Carin is my best fuck since I arrived in Rio de Janeiro, I cum three times in one hour, she squirted too much, wet pussy, liquid going out of her pussy. I cum twice when I was fucking her and once in her mouth, she does everything except cumming in her hair. She has a good endurance.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2055858]Sher still works in 4 por 4, she is a bit old, I don't know if we are talking about the same sher, she came to me and talked to me few minutes, I was not really interested in her, she is a bit old. She said her name (Sher), she is white, still she has some mixed features. She is not white like the ones you meet in the south. You can still say she is Latin, she looks like a white Latin.[/QUOTE]The Sher I was referencing must be 33-34 now. Yes, she is what I would call a Mediterranean-Brazilian blonde. If she lightens her hair, that would be no surprise.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2056238]I went to 4 por 4 at 3 pm, I met Carin at 3.30 pm (I don't know if the name is correctly spelled). I stayed with her two hours before going to the room, after one hour I was not sure to session with her. I told myself maybe I ll session with her another day and go to another brothel so I left her 20 minutes and then I came back to her and finally I decided to stay with her another one hour and go to the room before 6 pm, we kept touching each other, kissing each other, she kept grabbing my dick, we kept dancing.

The atmosphere in 4 por 4 is way better than Cancun. It is more lively.[/QUOTE]I have not been in 4 x 4 in a while. I like a quieter more relaxed environment where I can sit and talk with the girls. Downstairs there were too many macho bare chested drunk Brazilians with their robe around their waist grabbing at the girls. The upstairs bar used to be a good get away where you could order food and drinks, then they started to allow smoking there. Never returned to see if it had changed.

Only been to Cancun (the termas) once and agree there is not much going on there. However, I do like the wiskeria, Manhattan located downstairs. I enjoy the Cheers type atmosphere and talking with the locals as well as the girls. L'uomo was by far the best termas where you could talk with the girls and dance. 4 x 4 always was more like a frat party. Just not my style.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2056457]The Sher I was referencing must be 33-34 now. Yes, she is what I would call a Mediterranean-Brazilian blonde. If she lightens her hair, that would be no surprise.[/QUOTE]I met some very attractive, alabaster white, blue-eyed, natural blondes at Scandallo in Sampa. Fucked two of them, including one deep up inside of her "brownie" in the room. Took pleasure in seeing her milk white face turn beet red from our buggery session LOL! Meanwhile, she furiously frigged away at her womanhood until she had a small orgasm while I fucked her in the ass hehehe!

I am heading to Rio shortly and as usual I have been reaching out to my favorite ladies to schedule some funtime.

My preference is for longer duration encounters with the ladies arriving late afternoon and leaving the next morning, which is easier to arrange if they get a bit of advance notice.

Anyway, I spoke with one of my favorites yesterday to arrange for her to spend my first night back in Rio with me.

Everything was confimed yesterday, but then she wrote me today "Would you like to meet my younger sister?" - Hell yeah, and let's make it a double.

While I always look forward to my trips to Rio this promises to be better beginning than usual. I finally get to cross sisters of my bucketlist.

Did I mention that they are both pretty gorgeous.

With all the reports about the decline of Rio, it is still possible to have the best of times.

Ola amigos!

Planning to check out some termas. It seems most of them are in el centro. I have heard el centro is not safe in night. I am able to manage some time only after 7 pm on weekdays. I will have to travel from south so will be taking metro. I will appreciate your input on this. Which termas are in safe area and at walkable distance from metro station?

Cheers!

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2056477]I have not been in 4 x 4 in a while. I like a quieter more relaxed environment where I can sit and talk with the girls. Downstairs there were too many macho bare chested drunk Brazilians with their robe around their waist grabbing at the girls ... [/QUOTE]Big reason I don't like 4 x4 as well, the almost bi-sexual vibe of the machos that frequent the place.

I did not session, I was interested in Larissa, but she seem not to be good in bed, not very motivate, I asked her to show her motivation, she just say what she does in the room, she said she likes everything, I asked her what you hate to do? I love everything. OK make me horny. I don't kiss here, touch here I only do that in the room but you won't regret if you go up ah ok cool, have a good day I will call you if I need you. At 4.30 pm I felt tired I needed to sleep I left 4 por 4 and went home.

[QUOTE=WorldWanderer;2056627]Ola amigos!

Planning to check out some termas. It seems most of them are in el centro. I have heard el centro is not safe in night. I am able to manage some time only after 7 pm on weekdays. I will have to travel from south so will be taking metro. I will appreciate your input on this. Which termas are in safe area and at walkable distance from metro station?

Cheers![/QUOTE]4 x4 is very close to metro Uruguaina.

Plus Cancun isn't too far from 4 x4, if I remember well. Although I wasn't too impressed with Cancun when I visited.

On the pro front hit T31 and MV30.

Decent talent in both.

Sessioned with a superfreakmorena in MV30 Agatha-.

CIM swallower and lets you do it all if she gets excited. 300 the damage.

Went to VM after and took one of my regulars who started again there home with me. She stayed over for 200. This is what I gave her-she never asks.

Such a lovely girl.

Black girl,175-titties insane and nice butt-a fuck machine. 19.

Gave me 2 great rounds- not much sleep.

Had one over I met at T31,18,very pretty lightskinned tall mixed race girl with a stupid ass who since quit the biz-again didn't ask for money but I know she needs it-gave her 150 . Great session. More of a date vibe.

Non pro situation is wonderful in Rio. Cupid served up 3 in first week-all sex on fist date. Rio we love you.

Tonight it will be centro from top to bottom, VM and beyond.

Rio's demise is exagerated but you have to work the known and less known avenues.

On my way back to Rio. My second trip. As anways I reread the last 50-60 posts. I find nothing about a good fresh seafood restaurant. I don't need an expensive place I just need a local restaurant that serves good seafood. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2057178] I find nothing about a good fresh seafood restaurant. I don't need an expensive place I just need a local restaurant that serves good seafood. Any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I've enjoyed eating at this restaurant in Centro. Estação do Peixe, Rua André Cavalcânti, 8 - Centro.

It's nothing fancy, you eat from plastic tables setup in the street. I haven't eaten there since 2014, but it wasn't expensive and is a good local restaurant, you can look up reviews on the internet.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2057178]On my way back to Rio. My second trip. As anways I reread the last 50-60 posts. I find nothing about a good fresh seafood restaurant. I don't need an expensive place I just need a local restaurant that serves good seafood. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Not just for downloading porn anymore!

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With work activities this week it was hard to get to the termas. I managed 4 x4 on Monday and MV30 last night.

4 x4. Arrived around 5 pm. It was still pretty quiet but it gets busier in the evening after 7. In reply to an earlier comment, I haven't seen any of the bare chested guys strutting around like I did several years ago. Maybe they are there in the evening? But I haven't seen them in the late afternoon. I went with Larissa. She reminded me in some ways of Mayara Shelson in body shape. Great bunda, thin waist, small tits. Her face looks prettier in the dark boate environment than in the suite, but I wasn't really paying any attention to her face! As mentioned by Komo, she was pretty quiet in the bar, didn't want to kiss, because of her lipstick, and was affectionate but not hands on. I decided to take a risk as the bunda looked too inviting. She had promised a change in the suite and she kept her word. A passionate kisser, keen on all positions but especially keen on anal. Overall, I would say OK, if doggy in either hole is your thing then I would recommend, but not one I would repeat. Total Cost 368 reais; 360 simple suite for 1 hour, 8 for bottle of water.

MV30. Went last night, not been there since 2015 but it always a favourite of mine with some gems. The place was busy last night, with a good selection of girls. I'm keen on big natural tits, but couldn't see any, however, I was very happy to reacquaint myself with Viviane (I call her popozuda girl). If you like big bundas then she is your girl. I got the lowdown on what my old favourites, now retired, were now up to whilst she massaged my dick and rubbed it in between her ass crack in the bar. I then spent a very enjoyable hour with her. She told me that there is a natural big titted blond who works at MV30 who will hopefully be in tonight. Apparently she is a blond with a normal butt but big naturals and similar in appearance to Renata, for those of you who knew her when she was active about 5 years ago).

MV30 now has the prices displayed in the changing room and you can see the computer screen so you know what you are being charged for when paying at the end. I used to get the feeling that they sometimes tried to scam gringos sometimes by adding on a little to the cost (or maybe it is the fat butch looking woman at the reception). Now you know exactly what you need to pay. I paid 335 (I hour plus entrada with drinks included).

260, 45 minutes.

300, 60 minutes.

440, 90 minutes (master).

300, 2 girls (but doesn't say what the time limit is).

Entrada is 35 and includes 3 beers (I drank a water and Viviane had a Martini and I didn't pay extra for her drink).

If you haven't ventured to the 'dark side' (crossed over Av. Presidente Vargas), then my advice would be to give it a go. The easiest way to find it is to walk down Av. Rio Branco, past Candelaria as if walking down to Praca Maua and Rua Mayrink Veiga is the third street on the left. As you walk down Mayrink Veiga, just before you come to MV30, the road on the right (Alcantara Machado) is where T31 is located (red Neon sign saying Club31). I've been a few times but never sessioned, some guys on the forum like it.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2057273]I've enjoyed eating at this restaurant in Centro. Estao do Peixe, Rua Andr Cavalcnti, 8 - Centro.

It's nothing fancy, you eat from plastic tables setup in the street. I haven't eaten there since 2014, but it wasn't expensive and is a good local restaurant, you can look up reviews on the internet.[/QUOTE]I forgot to add, there are a number of fish restaurants on that street, take your pick! Have a look on google streetview.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2057442]I forgot to add, there are a number of fish restaurants on that street, take your pick! Have a look on google streetview.[/QUOTE]There's something lacking in Brazilian seafood restaurants. I order local fish when given a chance. For a country with a long coast, I don't think the Brazilian supply chain ensures the quality and freshness of domestic or imported fish. Someone recently criticized the sushi in So Paulo a city with 500,000 Japanese descendants. He's right.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2057499]There's something lacking in Brazilian seafood restaurants. I order local fish when given a chance. For a country with a long coast, I don't think the Brazilian supply chain ensures the quality and freshness of domestic or imported fish. Someone recently criticized the sushi in So Paulo a city with 500,000 Japanese descendants. He's right.[/QUOTE]During my very first vacation to Rio, about halfway through the trip I had some sushi. I got violently ill and was afraid the rest of my vacation would be ruined! Lucky for me the illness only lasted for one day, and then I was right back on it. I have not had anymore seafood in Brazil since. I would try some again, but think I will stay away from the sushi down there for good!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2057499]There's something lacking in Brazilian seafood restaurants. I order local fish when given a chance. For a country with a long coast, I don't think the Brazilian supply chain ensures the quality and freshness of domestic or imported fish. Someone recently criticized the sushi in So Paulo a city with 500,000 Japanese descendants. He's right.[/QUOTE]Its very difficult to get good fish anywhere in the world no matter how developed the country is. I got tainted fish in a highly regarded restaurant here in Germany. I would like to think the best you can get would be in the Caribbean islands.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2057562]During my very first vacation to Rio, about halfway through the trip I had some sushi. I got violently ill and was afraid the rest of my vacation would be ruined! Lucky for me the illness only lasted for one day, and then I was right back on it. I have not had anymore seafood in Brazil since. I would try some again, but think I will stay away from the sushi down there for good![/QUOTE]My vacation has been ruined for 2 days, I went with Carla yesterday in 4 por 4, I did not get my dick hard because of my tiredness and sickness. I ate some sushi and seafood in the restaurants and some food on the street and visited some trash places.

Advise: Never go to Chinese restaurants, never eat on the street, never chill in trash places, never eat any seafood in Brazil. If you don't want your vacation to be ruined. Just avoid bacterias because your body is not used to the local food, that is why many travellers get sick.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2057742]Its very difficult to get good fish anywhere in the world no matter how developed the country is. I got tainted fish in a highly regarded restaurant here in Germany. I would like to think the best you can get would be in the Caribbean islands.[/QUOTE]The best seafood and fish you can get is Japan. But meat and chicken is disgusting there.

The best fish I've had in Rio is in:

A) Paella on the main strand at Buzios, after days of water taxi between the beaches with a 18 yo negra BBFS unlimited, for free (great while it lasted).

B) Arrail do Cabo, with a local girl picking a fresh fish dish at a sea side restaurant.

C) Filet de peixe belmunier at Na Brasa Colombia, Botafogo.

I've been out at Buzios on and off with a girl. Or two.

Recce of the locals beaches is worth it, though dangerous.

I had a third world girl in Buzios.

With a pistol on each hand.

She always kept me covered.

As we moved from land to land.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2057798]The best seafood and fish you can get is Japan. But meat and chicken is disgusting there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2057919]The best fish I've had in Rio is in:

A) Paella on the main strand at Buzios, after days of water taxi between the beaches with a 18 yo negra BBFS unlimited, for free (great while it lasted).

B) Arrail do Cabo, with a local girl picking a fresh fish dish at a sea side restaurant.

C) Filet de peixe belmunier at Na Brasa Colombia, Botafogo.

I've been out at Buzios on and off with a girl. Or two.

Recce of the locals beaches is worth it, though dangerous.

I had a third world girl in Buzios.

With a pistol on each hand.

She always kept me covered.

As we moved from land to land.[/QUOTE]I can't stand seafood and fish in Brazil. The savor is not really good even in the best restaurants. When you are used to eating the best fish and seafood of the world everyday, you have no more interest in eating the same food in another country because the taste is not really good, go to Japan you ll see the real difference. Meat and chicken in Japan are disgusting, the only thing in Brazil I like is meat and chicken. I only ate fish and seafood in Japan since I arrived in Brazil I only eat meat and chicken.

I did not come to Br for fish or seafood.

The view and dessert make the meal kkk.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2058192]I can't stand seafood and fish in Brazil. The savor is not really good even in the best restaurants. When you are used to eating the best fish and seafood of the world everyday, you have no more interest in eating the same food in another country because the taste is not really good, go to Japan you ll see the real difference. Meat and chicken in Japan are disgusting, the only thing in Brazil I like is meat and chicken. I only ate fish and seafood in Japan since I arrived in Brazil I only eat meat and chicken.

I did not come to Br for fish or seafood.[/QUOTE]

Satyricon in Ipanema and Buzios, they have their own fishing boats in Cabo Frio, doesn't get any fresher or better in Rio!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2057742]Its very difficult to get good fish anywhere in the world no matter how developed the country is. I got tainted fish in a highly regarded restaurant here in Germany. I would like to think the best you can get would be in the Caribbean islands.[/QUOTE]Got sick from mussels in Sao Paulo, but got excellent fish in Rancho Acoriano in Floripa. It was so good that I ate there twice in two days.

Great with the new food thread. :)

One of the best restaurants in Rio to have fish and seafood is located in a favela. They got awarded many times in competitions. Absolutely superdelicious food! Currently that favela suffers from some shootouts between rival gangs so I don't mention the restaurants name. I would hate to hear that some forum members got caught in tiroteio and shit their pants while eating their lunch.

There is another great seafood restaurant in Rio for the hungry ones. All you can eat rodizio at a cost of roughly R$70. This place is far away from Zona Sul. I can't recall I ever seen any gringos there. Lets keep it that way. :)

[QUOTE=Sperto;2060208]Great with the new food thread. :)

One of the best restaurants in Rio to have fish and seafood is located in a favela. They got awarded many times in competitions. Absolutely superdelicious food! Currently that favela suffers from some shootouts between rival gangs so I don't mention the restaurants name. I would hate to hear that some forum members got caught in tiroteio and shit their pants while eating their lunch.

There is another great seafood restaurant in Rio for the hungry ones. All you can eat rodizio at a cost of roughly R$70. This place is far away from Zona Sul. I can't recall I ever seen any gringos there. Lets keep it that way. :)[/QUOTE]Sperto,

As always, you provide some of the best information on this forum. Haven't been to either place in some time, but will be sure to return soon. Thanks for the reminder.

You also can get garlic fried shrimp and salmon with Maracujá sauce as well as other frutos do Mar. At Carretão on Rua Siqueira Campos if you are nice and know the secret handshake. I also have eaten sushi there countless times with no ill effects.

BTW, next time you are in Japan take the cooks tour or just walk the alleys behind the sushi restaurants. You might have second thoughts about eating what goes out the front door.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2060110]Got sick from mussels in Sao Paulo, but got excellent fish in Rancho Acoriano in Floripa. It was so good that I ate there twice in two days.[/QUOTE]Actually the best hookers and food are to be found in the States but the hookers are over the top expensive.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2060384]Sperto,

As always, you provide some of the best information on this forum. Haven't been to either place in some time, but will be sure to return soon. Thanks for the reminder.

You also can get garlic fried shrimp and salmon with Maracuj sauce as well as other frutos do Mar. At Carreto on Rua Siqueira Campos if you are nice and know the secret handshake. I also have eaten sushi there countless times with no ill effects.

BTW, next time you are in Japan take the cooks tour or just walk the alleys behind the sushi restaurants. You might have second thoughts about eating what goes out the front door.[/QUOTE]Yeah would be great information if the NAMES of the places were included. The risks are inherent and known.

For fish places including NAMES- not showing off local knowledge but then dismissing everyone reading it as not worthy, afraid or simply not carioca da gema and local enough not to get shot here it goes-.

In my experience I always eat fish including grilled fish, sushi etc at Churrasco do Kilo Copacabana posto 5-.

I always eat grilled salmon at Brasilieiro, Ave Atlantica and The Kilo on Siqueria Campos isn't bad either.

A 3rd spot is Brasiliero off Nossa Senhora on the little square where Hotel Debret is located. Sorry -addy escapes me but theres only 2 restaurants there and both brazilian and v good grilled fish.

Even the world famous,150 year old but a lil pricey Noca Capela in Lapa has good salmon etc and grilled fish.

Enjoy.

Popped into Cancun wiskeria the other night. Very quiet. They let me go upstairs and take a look in the boate, but there was a lot of confusion upstairs with the manager there freaking out about me not putting a robe on to walk into the boate (even though I speak good portuguese and explained). Consumption is BRL 70 in the wiskeria, but if later you go up to the boate and robe up, they'll charge you the boate entrada as well.

What actually pissed me off about the wiskeria wasn't the wiskeria pricing, it was that they add a 10 pct service charge to your entire bill including the full programa. I had an hour upstairs for BRL 330 and with the 70 consumption it should have come to BRL 400. But it was BRL 440. And when I asked them to explain the difference, it was "10 pct service charge" on everything. Kinda poor form, I thought. I had been planning to tip the server anyway, but that was kind of lame to have it forced on me.

Now I know a bunch of you are like, Cartman you cheap bastard! OK, fair enough, what's USD 12 or so between friends right? But I just though it was kind of clip-jointy to do.

By the way the boate was way more hoppin' then the wiskeria. If you can find a gal or two to keep you company in the wiskeria -- and maybe you can identify them with a quick recce in the boate -- so be it. But sometimes the robe and madness in the boate is more fun.

-Cartman.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2060632]Popped into Cancun wiskeria the other night. Very quiet. They let me go upstairs and take a look in the boate, but there was a lot of confusion upstairs with the manager there freaking out about me not putting a robe on to walk into the boate (even though I speak good portuguese and explained). Consumption is BRL 70 in the wiskeria, but if later you go up to the boate and robe up, they'll charge you the boate entrada as well.

What actually pissed me off about the wiskeria wasn't the wiskeria pricing, it was that they add a 10 pct service charge to your entire bill including the full programa. I had an hour upstairs for BRL 330 and with the 70 consumption it should have come to BRL 400. But it was BRL 440. And when I asked them to explain the difference, it was "10 pct service charge" on everything. Kinda poor form, I thought. I had been planning to tip the server anyway, but that was kind of lame to have it forced on me.

Now I know a bunch of you are like, Cartman you cheap bastard! OK, fair enough, what's USD 12 or so between friends right? But I just though it was kind of clip-jointy to do.

By the way the boate was way more hoppin' then the wiskeria. If you can find a gal or two to keep you company in the wiskeria -- and maybe you can identify them with a quick recce in the boate -- so be it. But sometimes the robe and madness in the boate is more fun.

-Cartman.[/QUOTE]Did you read my post? There is no service charge in wiskeria, they just want to rip you off because you are a gringo, did you check the paper they gave you? It is written nao cobramos 10 por cento de servicio. (we don't charge service) If you paid you got ripped off by these parasites like many gringos. I never paid any service charge in wiskeria.

In Brazil you have to know how to say no. I hate tipping people because most them don't deserve that's why I never tip in this country. I only pay service charge in the restaurant when the service charge is not hand written. In the restaurants the service charge is not hand written. If you speak Portuguese, next time read the paper you recieve in any wiskeria. There is no service charge in any brothel in Rio, there is only 10 per cent fee if you pay by card in some brothel but it is officially written.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2060384]Sperto,

As always, you provide some of the best information on this forum. Haven't been to either place in some time, but will be sure to return soon. Thanks for the reminder.

You also can get garlic fried shrimp and salmon with Maracuj sauce as well as other frutos do Mar. At Carreto on Rua Siqueira Campos if you are nice and know the secret handshake. I also have eaten sushi there countless times with no ill effects.

BTW, next time you are in Japan take the cooks tour or just walk the alleys behind the sushi restaurants. You might have second thoughts about eating what goes out the front door.[/QUOTE]Sushi is disgusting in Brazil, I've never seen any good restaurant in Brazil that serves good fish and seafood unlike Japan. Go and live in Japan for a while your opinion about seafood and fish in Brazil will change.

Many people have never been to Japan here so they don't know what is the real savor.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2060519]Actually the best hookers and food are to be found in the States but the hookers are over the top expensive.[/QUOTE]The USA is not known to have good food and hookers. The best hookers are in Europe and south america. The USA is only good for advertisement. The more you pay the less you enjoy.

American food is disgusting in the USA, the only food that is good is the food that's prepared by immigrants (Chinese, Mexican, Japanese, Italian etc) the food is always better in the country of origin.

I'm in Rio now arrived yesterday Friday morning after not really getting any sleep the past 3 days even though I flew business class I could not sleep on the plane because of the awkward American Airlines business class seat which is backwards and when the plane hits turbulence it feels like I'm free falling down on my back very annoying. I stopped by 4 x4 yesterday arrived 530 pm seen very good talent better than when I was there back in January I counted al least 8 woman I could of done just wish I had the energy. I decided on a morena can't remember name but she gave outstanding service as the GDP of Brazil always do payed very special attention to the balls area which I love and the BBJ was on point and she gave her all in every position after finally reaching climax I gave her a vicious money shot in her mouth. After finishing up I went back to main lounge area and suddenly it hit me like a ton of bricks and I became sleepy I wanted to do one more but my body said know 3 days of sleep finally hit me at 36 years old I was done back in my 20's that was no problem. I was hungry and took an Uber back to Copa and decided to have dinner at Mabs and while I was there I was impressed with the talent I seen at least 5 woman I could do there which I was very shocked because the 3 x I visited Rio last the talent was horrible there. All in all not a bad day. I plan to checkout Solarium and Monte Carlo today and will report later on.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2060817]The USA is not known to have good food and hookers. The best hookers are in Europe and south america. The USA is only good for advertisement. The more you pay the less you enjoy.

American food is disgusting in the USA, the only food that is good is the food that's prepared by immigrants (Chinese, Mexican, Japanese, Italian etc) the food is always better in the country of origin.[/QUOTE]Such a positive guy! LOL.

Between crappy Brazillian seafood and disgusting American food, etc, you can just feel the happiness. 𗀇

[QUOTE=Balboa;2060926]Such a positive guy! LOL.

Between crappy Brazillian seafood and disgusting American food, etc, you can just feel the happiness. 𗀇[/QUOTE]I am very positive.

I love Italian food (spaghetti, pizza etc, when I travel to Italy. I love Japanese food, french food, Belgian fries and mussels, dutch cheese, Thai food, Chinese food from mainland China. I really like steak from Argentina and Uruguay, Brazilian sucos. As you can see, I'm very positive.

If you like crappy american food and Brazilian seafood, good for you. Nobody will keep you from eating, your taste is your taste. We are all different.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2060793]Sushi is disgusting in Brazil, I've never seen any good restaurant in Brazil that serves good fish and seafood unlike Japan. Go and live in Japan for a while your opinion about seafood and fish in Brazil will change.

Many people have never been to Japan here so they don't know what is the real savor.[/QUOTE]I've visited a lot of countries and Japan IMO has the best food in the world. In Brazil, you need to go to Sao Paulo. For some reason, the culinary scene is way, way better than that of Rio.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2060817]The USA is not known to have good food and hookers. The best hookers are in Europe and south america. The USA is only good for advertisement. The more you pay the less you enjoy.

American food is disgusting in the USA, the only food that is good is the food that's prepared by immigrants (Chinese, Mexican, Japanese, Italian etc) the food is always better in the country of origin.[/QUOTE]Obviously, we 'hook' and eat in different places in the USA.

So after dropping the GF off and coming back from a very weak VM last night where everyone seemed to be trying to go upstairs before opening their mouth, I stopped at Mabs for a drink and.

The girls were not bad at all.

Talked to a cute morena who offered me 200 for 1 hour but said shed make it 2 hours as I shared name with her kid! LOL.

Another cute negra offered me 150 for 1 hour-then said 1 hour and 20/30 etc as I need more than 60 minutes.

Settled on a cute negra 22 years old, no kids-shorty with a slim body, decent butt and firm tits and lovely vibe.

150 for the hour which she said shed extend.

Took her to my apartment of sin and she was very good.

She stayed from 01 till 03 and I gave her 150 plus i had given her 20 extra just because.

BBBJ and loved to fuck (covered) and insisted on CIM and was very up for it.

Enjoyable and if I had been less drunk ID have taken her number! Loool.

But bargains to be had for sure.

It was definetely because I speak fluent portuguese because as soon as I spoke back to them after they asked in English, they were confused and thought maybe I was from Brazil and am street wise the prices were lower but no one quoted me 300 and the likes.

So learn portugues and the culture and the price can drop even in the most gringo of spots.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2061214]So after dropping the GF off and coming back from a very weak VM last night where everyone seemed to be trying to go upstairs before opening their mouth, I stopped at Mabs for a drink and.

The girls were not bad at all.

Talked to a cute morena who offered me 200 for 1 hour but said shed make it 2 hours as I shared name with her kid! LOL.

Another cute negra offered me 150 for 1 hour-then said 1 hour and 20/30 etc as I need more than 60 minutes.

Settled on a cute negra 22 years old, no kids-shorty with a slim body, decent butt and firm tits and lovely vibe.

150 for the hour which she said shed extend.

Took her to my apartment of sin and she was very good.

She stayed from 01 till 03 and I gave her 150 plus i had given her 20 extra just because.

BBBJ and loved to fuck (covered) and insisted on CIM and was very up for it.

Enjoyable and if I had been less drunk ID have taken her number! Loool.

But bargains to be had for sure.

It was definetely because I speak fluent portuguese because as soon as I spoke back to them after they asked in English, they were confused and thought maybe I was from Brazil and am street wise the prices were lower but no one quoted me 300 and the likes.

So learn portugues and the culture and the price can drop even in the most gringo of spots.[/QUOTE]Good to hear about Mabs with some actual decent girls.

Maybe I'll stop by and take a looksy.

Like you said, speaking the lingo, being cool, and being street smart goes a long way.

P.S., I hit VM on Friday night and had a blast.

Met a sexy 19 yr old mulata spinner, we bonded, and hung out most of the night, both in and out of the room.

I Ubered her over again Yesterday to my place.

Good good stuff!

Stopped by Termas Solarium yesterday and I must say they had some good talent in there I seen multiple woman I could of done here but I decided on a loria who gave outstanding service as Brazilians always do I finished with CIM money shot she begged me to do. Where else in the world can you get this type of excellent service? I wanted to hit up Monte Carlo later on but I had date set up with a regular and I did want to burn myself out. So all in all not a bad Saturday.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2061236]Good to hear about Mabs with some actual decent girls.

Maybe I'll stop by and take a looksy.

Like you said, speaking the lingo, being cool, and being street smart goes a long way.

P.S., I hit VM on Friday night and had a blast.

Met a sexy 19 yr old mulata spinner, we bonded, and hung out most of the night, both in and out of the room.

I Ubered her over again Yesterday to my place.

Good good stuff![/QUOTE]Great to hear Balboa. You doing it right.

Yes MABS had 3 maybe 4 very nice young ladies all offering services from 150 to 200 for most expenisve.I was happily surprised and willl def go back as I could have done any of those 4.

I have always done take out in VM whether there after good session or delayed-bringin them to apartment on another day.

I have only taken one straight to the crib after session-rest where to motel malaga first.

When you build a vibe, its a great feeling, session and mini relationship.

My super sexy ex T31 girl has just left my apt and the sex is amazing-her face is beautiful and cinnamon skinned body is crazy hot.

She's 18 and quit the biz after couple months-and doesn't mix with gringos at all so I feel fortunate.

She's a 9. 5 in looks and skills / passion.

I give her 100 to help her, maybe 150 sometimes max-she doesn't want money but I insist on helping out and I know she appreciates it alot-she looks embarrased to accept it but she knows my intentions are good.

[QUOTE=PanaNyc;2060883]I'm in Rio now arrived yesterday Friday morning after not really getting any sleep the past 3 days even though I flew business class I could not sleep on the plane because of the awkward American Airlines business class seat which is backwards and when the plane hits turbulence it feels like I'm free falling down on my back very annoying.[/QUOTE]You could not sleep on the plane because your fully reclined business seat was facing backwards. I don't think I've heard a sadder story on ISG.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2061508]Great to hear Balboa. You doing it right.

Yes MABS had 3 maybe 4 very nice young ladies all offering services from 150 to 200 for most expenisve.I was happily surprised and willl def go back as I could have done any of those 4.

I have always done take out in VM whether there after good session or delayed-bringin them to apartment on another day.

I have only taken one straight to the crib after session-rest where to motel malaga first.

When you build a vibe, its a great feeling, session and mini relationship.

My super sexy ex T31 girl has just left my apt and the sex is amazing-her face is beautiful and cinnamon skinned body is crazy hot.

She's 18 and quit the biz after couple months-and doesn't mix with gringos at all so I feel fortunate.

She's a 9. 5 in looks and skills / passion.

I give her 100 to help her, maybe 150 sometimes max-she doesn't want money but I insist on helping out and I know she appreciates it alot-she looks embarrased to accept it but she knows my intentions are good.[/QUOTE]Those are the best kind of girls!!

In the midst of all the PFP, always on the hunt and hope for that kind.

Nice!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2061703]You could not sleep on the plane because your fully reclined business seat was facing backwards. I don't think I've heard a sadder story on ISG.[/QUOTE]Hahahahahahahaha poor guy-he should bring his own sheet, own a /c, own shower and own padlock to VM cause there everything is backwards.

Today I had the pleasure of meeting my favorite negra at Motel VIPS in Centro. Its 80 reais for 3 hours with a promocao at sundays and holidays where its like 100 reais for 12 hours!

Place is cool no problems.Suite with Jacuzzi,nice shower,tv and decent bed with nice ceiling mirror.

Ke 19 is someone I met at VM one of the first times there. She hijacked me by the tatoo guy and took me upstairs and she was hot, sweet and I used the magic wand on her in VM! A first for her and a winner for me.

Incredible natural body,crazy breasts that just beg to be squeezed and sucked-prob a natural c cups size but firm and tight and cute face, about 1,80 m. Built to fuck.

With a great personality and open to try anything she's a joy. Thats why I see her on every trip.

I bring her to IBIS, to the apartment where ever.

The first time I had her over at the crib, I said I got to help you, how much-she didn't know-she just said give me what you want.

Such a cool girl.

Today I gave her 200 and she was worth every centavos-sucks a mean one with all tempos and softness, firmness when needed. Just the head or the whole damn thing.

Fucks you slow, fast, dances on ya and loves CIM and it never seemed to end cause I didn't cross the finish line yesterday so today was revenge of the leite!

Spent time in the jacuzzi after spending 90 minutes in and around the bed-left after 2. 5 hours.

She went to VM to work. How? She got fucked in every way and gave as good as she got-The girl is a MACHINE.

With my hands in the air I left the establishment.

This is why I come to Rio!. LOL.

I contemplated passing Afrodite to bang the hot, tall negra I met the other day and who I promised to take to motel but Ke had robbed all my leite.

Thought of passing T31 to bang that Indigena sexy girl or the light skinned negra with the dirty porn eyes,bra-less in her blue dress and tits that just stand out and smile at me but my legs were shaking from the bangin.

So I passed my favorite kiosk for an Energetico and lets see what the night holds.

Abracos.

I haven't been following this thread so I don't know if this has been mentioned. It's been at least fifteen years since I have been to Rio. I found it less interesting after Help closed and I prefer to spend my time in Sao Paulo if I am going to Brazil. I also fairly regular in a Buenos Aires where I mostly stick to one girl. Even she has left the scene and returned to Paraguay.

Anyway "The End" is a good read about five "machos" and how living the life influenced their lives and relationships. Written by a woman I thought there would be more men bashing but the women in their lives were complicit too and the novel read true. The sense of place and time is a strength of novel. I immediately recognized the places and remembered walking the same streets from Rua Canning to Cinelandia. The title of the novel is "Fin" in Portuguese. It has been recently translated to English. If you are a fan of fiction and / or Rio, it is an above average read. [URL]https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-1-63206-121-8[/URL].

Hello,

After my great trip in 2014 I'll be back in Rio but sadly only from Friday 28 untill Sunday 29 July. Since I have very little time everything has to be spot on- I will stay around CopaCabana because I like Mabs / Dolce vita. I speak Portuguese but not fluent. Are there hotels that accept when you enter with a girl? If yes please tell me since airbnb for 2 days looks a bit silly think. If Hotels like this do not exist in that area I will go for Airbnb I guess. I am not a termas fan. I prefer the 'normal' bar meetings- I am 39, ok looking and like I said I speak Portuguese a bit. That should do it for me I hope. 1 thing I never read here. Where are the bars / clubs where you are most likely to find girls that are open for a 1 night stand with a gringo? IIsn't there an Irish Pub on Ipanema? Where is the new Help exactly? Does Dolce Vita still exist? Good to see Mabs can deliver again.

On Friday 28 I plan to go out ot VM. If anyone would like to join me (FuckafMeDig? Balboa? Others) that would be great.

Just like in 2014 a nice and complete detailed report will follow-.

[QUOTE=MichaelSchoefs;2062221]Hello,

After my great trip in 2014 I'll be back in Rio but sadly only from Friday 28 untill Sunday 29 July. Since I have very little time everything has to be spot on- I will stay around CopaCabana because I like Mabs / Dolce vita. I speak Portuguese but not fluent. Are there hotels that accept when you enter with a girl? If yes please tell me since airbnb for 2 days looks a bit silly think. If Hotels like this do not exist in that area I will go for Airbnb I guess. I am not a termas fan. I prefer the 'normal' bar meetings- I am 39, ok looking and like I said I speak Portuguese a bit. That should do it for me I hope. 1 thing I never read here. Where are the bars / clubs where you are most likely to find girls that are open for a 1 night stand with a gringo? IIsn't there an Irish Pub on Ipanema? Where is the new Help exactly? Does Dolce Vita still exist? Good to see Mabs can deliver again.

On Friday 28 I plan to go out ot VM. If anyone would like to join me (FuckafMeDig? Balboa? Others) that would be great.

Just like in 2014 a nice and complete detailed report will follow-.[/QUOTE]Dude, you have two days in Rio, forget about trying to score a civilian and stick to the hoes. Don't waste your time.

MichaelSchoefs,

Bravo's advice is true. Don't mess around in your limited time in Rio. No matter how good-looking, charming and fluent you are, Brazilian women don't just throw themselves into bed with foreigners.

I would suggest you intend on doing your regular pro sessions, but soon as you hit the ground you start flirting with every attractive girl you meet. A waitress or a store clerk might bite. In between pro sessions, you can try to meet one of these girls who might bite for drinks / meal, but you will still have to work for it. Maybe you can get lucky, but don't bet on it. Some guys start working social media before they go to Rio, but many still wind up with pros anyway.

I think you are thinking about Shenanigans Pub in Ipanema. I don't think it's a meat market where you are likely to go home with someone on the spot. I think it was always a place for English-speaking local girls who were curious about foreign men to try their luck at finding love. There is still a major stigma being seen with foreign men in Rio's Zona Sul area. Fifteen years ago, you could've picked up an attractive store clerk with some game, but the attitudes changed with each passing year.

Second time to Rio first time for 2 days this time for 2 weeks. Day 1-2 a bust. 14 HR lay over in MIA was a killer. My fault I thought I had a hotel lied up but I didn't reserve it and price went up from 55 us to 115 us. Day 3 on the copa beach wow no way to describe it. Evening at MOBS food sux berrer food at beach huts. Hooked up with very pretty MARIA. 5 ft 2 black hair very pretty nat boobs. Agreed to 250 rand we agreed on what I wanted. Normal stuff kissing, suck on titties BBBJ covered sex, but when we got to my apt and I said I don't pay until its over she went beserk. This is not my first time at this so I knew there was reason for this. I didn't relent but this session was not good. NO kissing on tits and kissing was like a peck on the cheek but she was a pro. As I complained she talke louder and louder with her replys. Finally I said ok hit the road. She started screamig GIVE ME MY MONEY. I paid her, some times its better to bite the bullet.

Day4, after licking my wounds-- in the evening I returned to MABS. I really like this place. I ended up with a chica named Juliana. We agreed on 200 are for an hour and she didn't disappoint. She stayed an hour and a half and went way beyond what I asked for. Highy recommended. Very passionate and loves to suck dick. Its difficult to describe her she's 5 ft2 black hair, very pretty and speaks a little English. Pretty typical I know.

I'm headed to Rio next week for the first time. Been RTFF here which has been very helpful.

I've also been looking at RioEscortGuide which is a website. You have to add the dot of course, and then the com.

It looks fantastic. Great looking girls, reasonably prices etc. But is it too good to be true?

I haven't found it reviewed or mentioned anywhere. If anyone has any experience with it to share, I'd be grateful.

And if nobody has heard of it then check it out. I don't see why it wouldn't be legit.

What is VM?

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2063384]What is VM?[/QUOTE]Vila Mimosa is a seedy, dirty and somewhat dangerous red-light district in Rio. While it's cheap, finding hot girls is not guaranteed. Many ISG members enjoy the hunt. Vila Mimosa has been covered here extensively. I would recommend taking someone who is fluent in Portuguese.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7-0lmkEalE[/URL]

Last night at mabs I had an interesting encounter. I was setting in last row near sidewalk and approached by 2 young girls. We talked and they came in to set with me At my table. Before they could set down a waiter came over and what seemed like a long conversation in portuguese took place. I kept asking so what's going on and the waiter would gesture with his hand for me to relax. After the conversation became a little heated the very attractive young girls oh did I mention both had teeth braces. Anyway the girls left and the waiter said they claimed to not have identifications. This waiter may have saved me from a big fat fine and time in a Brazilian pokey.

Last night after the incident mentioned earlier I ran across a short pudgie blond named Patricia. Face 5. 5 body 5. Normally this would not be my kind of gal but I kept getting a good vibe. We negotiated to 200 reals for 1 HR. To me one important thing is kissing. Patricia didn't disappoint. Every few minutes we would stop and talk then continue heavy petting. She wasnt a clock watcher and stayed well over an hour. If you are interested in an hour of heavy petting and a just an ok massage this could be your gal. After a long day at this beautiful-wonderful-magnificent beach this was just what I needed.

Cold and raining earlier this week so I decided to hit one of the office buildings in Centro. Gpguia in Rio isn't up to date, so I grabbed the following doors from old posts with the intention of making an updated list:

729- not a casa.

725- about 6 girls. 150/ HR. One doable young spinner.

1115- not a casa.

1307- 6 girls. 100 1/2 HR, 120 40 minutes, 160 HR.

Spent 1/2 hour with Rafaela. 20 yo negra. Maybe 5'1. She is special. Cowgirl twerking. Very good, pretty too. Unfortunately, only works in casa. She was hot enough that my tour was cut short.

Remaining doors to explore if anyone wants to help update:

1303.

1327.

1401.

1524.

1623.

1708.

1722.

1923.

2104.

2114.

Maybe others.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2063073]Second time to Rio first time for 2 days this time for 2 weeks. Day 1-2 a bust. 14 HR lay over in MIA was a killer. My fault I thought I had a hotel lied up but I didn't reserve it and price went up from 55 us to 115 us. Day 3 on the copa beach wow no way to describe it. Evening at MOBS food sux berrer food at beach huts. Hooked up with very pretty MARIA. 5 ft 2 black hair very pretty nat boobs. Agreed to 250 rand we agreed on what I wanted. Normal stuff kissing, suck on titties BBBJ covered sex, but when we got to my apt and I said I don't pay until its over she went beserk. This is not my first time at this so I knew there was reason for this. I didn't relent but this session was not good. NO kissing on tits and kissing was like a peck on the cheek but she was a pro. As I complained she talke louder and louder with her replys. Finally I said ok hit the road. She started screamig GIVE ME MY MONEY. I paid her, some times its better to bite the bullet.

Day4, after licking my wounds-- in the evening I returned to MABS. I really like this place. I ended up with a chica named Juliana. We agreed on 200 are for an hour and she didn't disappoint. She stayed an hour and a half and went way beyond what I asked for. Highy recommended. Very passionate and loves to suck dick. Its difficult to describe her she's 5 ft2 black hair, very pretty and speaks a little English. Pretty typical I know.[/QUOTE]The encounter with Maria seems an unusually bad session not only for Brasil but any country. You say that before the session you and the girl agreed to kissing on titties yet in the room she said no kissing on tits. I have only experienced such dishonesty in one country, India where its normal to do so. To have such an experience in Brasil is extremely unusual and in Rio of all places! I don't know what to make of this.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2063649]The encounter with Maria seems an unusually bad session not only for Brasil but any country. You say that before the session you and the girl agreed to kissing on titties yet in the room she said no kissing on tits. I have only experienced such dishonesty in one country, India where its normal to do so. To have such an experience in Brasil is extremely unusual and in Rio of all places! I don't know what to make of this.[/QUOTE]"Until its over she went berserk. This is not my first time at this so I knew there was reason for this. I didn't relent but this session was not good. NO kissing on tits and kissing was like a peck on the cheek but she was a pro."

Gentleman, the time to kick them out is at the very first sign of trouble. As soon as she refuses a negotiated service it's time to get dressed and kick her out. The sooner the better. If there is a problem in the first five minutes, there will be trouble throughout. Save yourself the hassle and money by terminating the session before it begins. Most times you will spot the problem at the very beginning. They may be quick to back down when they see you won't tolerate their shit, but even if they relent and beg you to stay, the session will not be worth the money. Better return to the hunt or go home than pay for a bad time.

I will indeed forget about hitting on non GDP and stick to MABS / Dolce Vita and Mosaico on saturdayevening. Maybe I will go 4 x 4 as well don't know if I will have the time. I have been checking apartments via Airbnb and Alugue temporal. I still don't know if there is a hotel near Copa that accepts girls? Hotrod where are you staying?

[QUOTE=LarryDavid;2063722]"Until its over she went berserk. This is not my first time at this so I knew there was reason for this. I didn't relent but this session was not good. NO kissing on tits and kissing was like a peck on the cheek but she was a pro."

Gentleman, the time to kick them out is at the very first sign of trouble. As soon as she refuses a negotiated service it's time to get dressed and kick her out. The sooner the better. If there is a problem in the first five minutes, there will be trouble throughout. Save yourself the hassle and money by terminating the session before it begins. Most times you will spot the problem at the very beginning. They may be quick to back down when they see you won't tolerate their shit, but even if they relent and beg you to stay, the session will not be worth the money. Better return to the hunt or go home than pay for a bad time.[/QUOTE]My thinking is that in Latin America or Europe a girl who refuses a negotiated service is a scammer out to con an unwitting punter. She has no intention of leaving without payment and probably has a back up plan to extort the money if needs be.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2063802]My thinking is that in Latin America or Europe a girl who refuses a negotiated service is a scammer out to con an unwitting punter. She has no intention of leaving without payment and probably has a back up plan to extort the money if needs be.[/QUOTE]You did the right thing, just pay her to go away. The only other option you had was to grab her by the throat or twist her arm behind her back and physically throw her out of your apartment. But then she probably would have stood in the hall and banged on your door screaming for help until a neighbor called the police. These girls know that most gringos want no problems, they just want the females to leave quietly.

The only advice I would give you is, in the future, take a couple of pictures of the girl before you go to your hotel / apartment. That way if she acts crazy, you can post her on the internet so everyone will know her scam.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2063839]You did the right thing, just pay her to go away. The only other option you had was to grab her by the throat or twist her arm behind her back and physically throw her out of your apartment.[/QUOTE]This problem would never occured if the guy had made a proper "interview" before accepting her offer. There is never no need to hurt the girl.
Putas loucas were normal standard back in the Help-era.

Propably something with Hotrod10 got the girl to be cautious, or he just picked up a junkie.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2063073]Second time to Rio first time for 2 days this time for 2 weeks. Day 1-2 a bust..... Evening at MOBS food sux berrer food at beach huts. Hooked up with very pretty MARIA. 5 ft 2 black hair very pretty nat boobs. Agreed to 250 rand we agreed on what I wanted. Normal stuff kissing, suck on titties BBBJ covered sex, but when we got to my apt and I said I don't pay until its over she went beserk. This is not my first time at this so I knew there was reason for this. I didn't relent but this session was not good. NO kissing on tits and kissing was like a peck on the cheek but she was a pro. As I complained she talke louder and louder with her replys. Finally I said ok hit the road. She started screamig GIVE ME MY MONEY. I paid her, some times its better to bite the bullet.....[/QUOTE]Forget the mud ducks at Mabs. I call it the zoo. If it's to your liking, and you do try to find some more girls there, best of luck. If you take one back, and she doesn't do what's agreed, throw her out. They can yell and all that jazz. So what. But get rid of them. Now, if you bang them, you should pay them. But if you haven't fucked them yet and they start shit, get them out any way you feel comfortable with. One time I had a girl talking shit about pay up front, I put the girl's purse out in the hall. When she came to get it, I closed the door, locked it and left. She was yelling and I didn't care. I took the elevator down and told the door man to get rid of her. He agreed. That type of crap only happened twice in 11 years. IN any case, that place is a joke.

Since you have more time, I would recommend that you go to the casas / massagems in centro. 100 - 170 reals for some nice girls. There are also a few in Copa that you could try. PM if you don't know where to go. Enjoy the rest of your trip.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2063996]Forget the mud ducks at Mabs. I call it the zoo. If it's to your liking, and you do try to find some more girls there, best of luck. If you take one back, and she doesn't do what's agreed, throw her out. They can yell and all that jazz. So what. But get rid of them. Now, if you bang them, you should pay them. But if you haven't fucked them yet and they start shit, get them out any way you feel comfortable with. One time I had a girl talking shit about pay up front, I put the girl's purse out in the hall. When she came to get it, I closed the door, locked it and left. She was yelling and I didn't care. I took the elevator down and told the door man to get rid of her. He agreed. That type of crap only happened twice in 11 years. IN any case, that place is a joke.

Since you have more time, I would recommend that you go to the casas / massagems in centro. 100 - 170 reals for some nice girls. There are also a few in Copa that you could try. PM if you don't know where to go. Enjoy the rest of your trip.[/QUOTE]Yup, never pay a hooker up front, I always try to explain to these women, that what they are doing is considered a service. In business you are either selling a product or service, you never pay for a service up front, it can be your barber that cuts your hair, getting your car fixed at the mechanic, you never pay up front and if she complains just kick her out.

[QUOTE=MichaelSchoefs;2063763] I still don't know if there is a hotel near Copa that accepts girls? Hotrod where are you staying?[/QUOTE]In recent inquiries I made of hotels in Rio the Marriott, the Pestana and Atlantico Copacabana are girl friendly.

Maybe you guys can explain how Larry would have gotten this increasingly agitated female out of his room without it turning into a huge debacle. Maybe if he had sad "Pretty please with sugar on top" she would have stopped, grabbed her purse and quietly left. In my opinion he did nothing wrong, you don't want a big scene at the hotel or apartment building you are staying at, they can kick you out and not return your money. Its best to pay to just get rid of her. Unless you are ready to put this girl in a sleeper hold and carry her out to the sidewalk (Which would cost you a whole lot more than what she was asking for), then the best thing to do is hand over a few reais and go back out for another girl.

Pipelayer has it right:

"But if you haven't fucked them yet and they start shit, get them out any way you feel comfortable with. One time I had a girl talking shit about pay up front, I put the girl's purse out in the hall. When she came to get it, I closed the door, locked it and left. She was yelling and I didn't care. I took the elevator down and told the door man to get rid of her. He agreed."

My point was the first sign of a shit session will always come early. Instead of complaining or renegotiating or accepting sub-par service, get dressed and leave, or kick them out. The crap always starts before you have fucked them, so don't pay. I've done this on several occasions and have never needed to be physical with a girl. A stern eye and voice have done the job.

Of course, I'm not taking a Mabs girl, or any street girl back to my place. That's what love motels are for.

Bravo, I was responding to a post by another user. I've had my share of putting up with lousy sessions from lazy girls, and depending on the situation still might give a few reals to diffuse a situation. But I'm stopping the session before it begins when a girl starts with the shit.

In Copa and want some fun. Here's a list of casas for you:

When you want some daytime action and don't want to make the trek to centro.

Lotus Therapy: Rua Siquiera Campos, sala 825.

Espaco Tantrico: Av. Nssa sra de Copacabana, sala 206.

Delirio oriental: Rua Hilario de gouveia 66, sala 207.

Espaco Suzy oriental, Av Nssa sra de copacabana 647, 1106 and 1107.

Eden spa, Av Nssa sra de Copacabana.

[QUOTE=LarryDavid;2064444]In Copa and want some fun. Here's a list of casas for you:

When you want some daytime action and don't want to make the trek to centro.

Lotus Therapy: Rua Siquiera Campos, sala 825.

Espaco Tantrico: Av. Nssa sra de Copacabana, sala 206.

Delirio oriental: Rua Hilario de gouveia 66, sala 207.

Espaco Suzy oriental, Av Nssa sra de copacabana 647, 1106 and 1107.

Eden spa, Av Nssa sra de Copacabana.[/QUOTE]Thanks Larry. I'll be in Copa all next week. I'll check some out and report back. Any particular info you can offer on the above. House specialities? Thanks.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2064059]Yup, never pay a hooker up front, I always try to explain to these women, that what they are doing is considered a service. In business you are either selling a product or service, you never pay for a service up front, it can be your barber that cuts your hair, getting your car fixed at the mechanic, you never pay up front and if she complains just kick her out.[/QUOTE]That's why I am more into termas.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2063839]You did the right thing, just pay her to go away. The only other option you had was to grab her by the throat or twist her arm behind her back and physically throw her out of your apartment. But then she probably would have stood in the hall and banged on your door screaming for help until a neighbor called the police. These girls know that most gringos want no problems, they just want the females to leave quietly.

The only advice I would give you is, in the future, take a couple of pictures of the girl before you go to your hotel / apartment. That way if she acts crazy, you can post her on the internet so everyone will know her scam.[/QUOTE]The second option is the best for me, don't pay and kick her out of building, I had the same last year, , I grabbed the girl out of the building, she said if she sees me in Mabs I ll have trouble, I said see you tomorrow nothing happened, they just have a big mouth.

Both options are good but it depends on the person, he also did the right thing not to waste his time with the girl and try to find another one.

[QUOTE=MichaelSchoefs;2063763]I will indeed forget about hitting on non GDP and stick to MABS / Dolce Vita and Mosaico on saturdayevening. Maybe I will go 4 x 4 as well don't know if I will have the time. I have been checking apartments via Airbnb and Alugue temporal. I still don't know if there is a hotel near Copa that accepts girls? Hotrod where are you staying?[/QUOTE]If you come Friday, you ll have time to go to 4 by4 , it is open till 3 AM. After sessioning with the girl pick her number to arrange to meet her Sunday.

Forget Dolce Vita, it is often empty, all clubs in Copacabana are the same shit.

Saturday, go to solarium or Monte carlo terma, it is also open Saturday. After sessioning with the girl, pick her number to arrange to meet her Sunday.

Mosaic is good but if you don't speak Portuguese, it will be difficult. Many girls are mechanical there. It is very stressful.

Go to Mabs if you just want to chill.

You only have three days, don't waste your time. P.S. Never say to the girl you'll session with you only stay two days in Rio de Janeiro, say you are on vacation for one month if you want to get a better service, because they will think they will session with you more times in following days.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2064143]In recent inquiries I made of hotels in Rio the Marriott, the Pestana and Atlantico Copacabana are girl friendly.[/QUOTE]First 2 def not.

IBIS yes and Best Western. I road tested both. Check in as 2 people and check your GDP in and out and then the next one can come up. Only 2 adults at a time. Ignore the looks in reception. Fuck them.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2064863]If you come Friday, you ll have time to go to 4 by4 , it is open till 3 AM. After sessioning with the girl pick her number to arrange to meet her Sunday.

Forget Dolce Vita, it is often empty, all clubs in Copacabana are the same shit.

Saturday, go to solarium or Monte carlo terma, it is also open Saturday. After sessioning with the girl, pick her number to arrange to meet her Sunday.

Mosaic is good but if you don't speak Portuguese, it will be difficult. Many girls are mechanical there. It is very stressful.

Go to Mabs if you just want to chill.

You only have three days, don't waste your time. P.S. Never say to the girl you'll session with you only stay two days in Rio de Janeiro, say you are on vacation for one month if you want to get a better service, because they will think they will session with you more times in following days.[/QUOTE]Yes say you're here for 6 months and want to see her alot if its good. In and out of terma. That will get her juices flowing.

I am planning a trip to RJ and have been doing my RTFF research on this thread. I plan to focus in large part on the termas, and I noticed that some termas allow customers to pay with credit cards. I would like to hear different opinions as to whether or not you recommend paying with cards.

The advantage for me is that it could enable me to reduce the amount of cash that I would carry and still be able to pay potentially large bills, given the prices of sessions at some of the termas. Given the risk of muggings in RJ, I would be more comfortable carrying less cash. With that said, I might want to carry enough cash with me anyway, in the event that the transactions fail. Give the high levels of cyber crime in Brazil, I would not be surprised if my banks decline the transactions, despite my travel notification to them, and I wonder if they would consider the termas suspicious vendors. Has anyone had issues with declined transactions at termas in particular, but not at other vendors in Brazil?

I know from my day job that the theft and fraudulent use of credit card information is rampant in Brazil, via both corrupt employees and outside hackers. I found many references to this problem in Trip Advisor reviews of the lodging options that I considered. Has anyone that used their cards at termas later observed suspicious transactions from sources other than the termas on their cards?

Some of the posts that I read suggested that there might have been some slight padding of the bills at some termas, but that this slight padding was obvious from a review of the bill before paying it with one's card. Have you seen any outrageously large and unexpected fraudulent charges on your cards from the termas, as might happen at some strip clubs in New York or Las Vegas?

I understand that there may be a surcharge for paying with a card, which I might be willing to pay if it gives me greater peace of mind by enabling me to carry less cash. However, I would certainly not be willing to pay this surcharge for the privilege of fraudulent charges and getting my card frozen.

I am single and do not have to worry about explaining the charges on my card to a wife or anyone else.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2065096]I am planning a trip to RJ and have been doing my RTFF research on this thread. I plan to focus in large part on the termas, and I noticed that some termas allow customers to pay with credit cards. I would like to hear different opinions as to whether or not you recommend paying with cards.

The advantage for me is that it could enable me to reduce the amount of cash that I would carry and still be able to pay potentially large bills, given the prices of sessions at some of the termas. Given the risk of muggings in RJ, I would be more comfortable carrying less cash. With that said, I might want to carry enough cash with me anyway, in the event that the transactions fail. Give the high levels of cyber crime in Brazil, I would not be surprised if my banks decline the transactions, despite my travel notification to them, and I wonder if they would consider the termas suspicious vendors. Has anyone had issues with declined transactions at termas in particular, but not at other vendors in Brazil?

I know from my day job that the theft and fraudulent use of credit card information is rampant in Brazil, via both corrupt employees and outside hackers. I found many references to this problem in Trip Advisor reviews of the lodging options that I considered. Has anyone that used their cards at termas later observed suspicious transactions from sources other than the termas on their cards?

Some of the posts that I read suggested that there might have been some slight padding of the bills at some termas, but that this slight padding was obvious from a review of the bill before paying it with one's card. Have you seen any outrageously large and unexpected fraudulent charges on your cards from the termas, as might happen at some strip clubs in New York or Las Vegas?

I understand that there may be a surcharge for paying with a card, which I might be willing to pay if it gives me greater peace of mind by enabling me to carry less cash. However, I would certainly not be willing to pay this surcharge for the privilege of fraudulent charges and getting my card frozen.

I am single and do not have to worry about explaining the charges on my card to a wife or anyone else.[/QUOTE]I have been to Rio 20+ times and I never carry my cards on me anywhere. I bring cash I need for the day end of. There is a surcharge on CC in termas -usually 10% + or more.

I wouldn't risk paying with cards in Brazil just at random places. The biggest scam place turned out to be Shopping Leblon! Loool Exclusive shopping center in the richest part of town.

You have been warned.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2065096]I am planning a trip to RJ and have been doing my RTFF research on this thread. I plan to focus in large part on the termas, and I noticed that some termas allow customers to pay with credit cards. I would like to hear different opinions as to whether or not you recommend paying with cards.

e.[/QUOTE]Done EVER use your credit card in Brazil! NEVER!

I have been a reader and report filler at ISG for maybe 10 years can't remember but I think my first use was of this site was for slovakia. This site made the difference for my search for P4 P. I was traveling all over europe maybe once a year. I didn't have a laptop so I would print out the last 100 post for the city I was going to. Things have changed. Now, and for the last 6-7 years I only rent an apartment from AIRBNB. I retired and divorced in 2009 and I go to south america 3-4-or5 times a year. Most of the research I do for a new city is using ISG, looking for an area to spend time in while looking for safe areas close by with AIRBNb apartments, that I can afford. For me this is a big part of the excitement of traveling. I have spent alot of time in Buenos Aires. It was difficult for me, an american, to get a Brazil visa. Now that I have a visa and 2 trips to Brazil under my belt all I can say is WOW. I really love this place.

On this last trip I prepaid for 2 weeks thru AIRBNB at an apartment hotel. I think that's what its called. I don't remember the name but the address was Avenue Princesa Isabel 500. I rented this thru AIRBNB for 2 weeks and my total cost worked out to us $52.00 per day. This is the most I have ever paid for an apartment but it had all the things I like. 24 hour doorman, 1 bedroom, A beautiful balcony were I would have coffee in the morning and vodka tonic at night. My apartment was cleaned every day, you change your own linen. I brought 3 chica back to my room and all I did was wave to the person working the counter. They could care less. This place also has a restaurant. Crappy food. But its handy to buy water or a soda or coffee to take back to the room.

People have different opinions on things like using a CC card or never use a CC, never consider a street walker or I like street walkers. This is what makes the world go round. I don't like to use a bordello but that's just me. I Like to bring a chica back to my room and if I smell penus on her breath I give her a toothbrush and say please brush your last client off your breath. You can't do that at a bordello.

Someone asked for my most recent hotel. I hope this answers your question.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2065096]I am planning a trip to RJ and have been doing my RTFF research on this thread. I plan to focus in large part on the termas, and I noticed that some termas allow customers to pay with credit cards. I would like to hear different opinions as to whether or not you recommend paying with cards.

The advantage for me is that it could enable me to reduce the amount of cash that I would carry and still be able to pay potentially large bills, given the prices of sessions at some of the termas. Given the risk of muggings in RJ, I would be more comfortable carrying less cash. With that said, I might want to carry enough cash with me anyway, in the event that the transactions fail. Give the high levels of cyber crime in Brazil, I would not be surprised if my banks decline the transactions, despite my travel notification to them, and I wonder if they would consider the termas suspicious vendors. Has anyone had issues with declined transactions at termas in particular, but not at other vendors in Brazil?

I know from my day job that the theft and fraudulent use of credit card information is rampant in Brazil, via both corrupt employees and outside hackers. I found many references to this problem in Trip Advisor reviews of the lodging options that I considered. Has anyone that used their cards at termas later observed suspicious transactions from sources other than the termas on their cards?

Some of the posts that I read suggested that there might have been some slight padding of the bills at some termas, but that this slight padding was obvious from a review of the bill before paying it with one's card. Have you seen any outrageously large and unexpected fraudulent charges on your cards from the termas, as might happen at some strip clubs in New York or Las Vegas?

I understand that there may be a surcharge for paying with a card, which I might be willing to pay if it gives me greater peace of mind by enabling me to carry less cash. However, I would certainly not be willing to pay this surcharge for the privilege of fraudulent charges and getting my card frozen.

I am single and do not have to worry about explaining the charges on my card to a wife or anyone else.[/QUOTE]Try forex travel cards. That way your primary account is safe. Distribute the money you are carrying on a couple of these cards. So in case a cyber theft occurs the damage is limited to that card only.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2065449]Done EVER use your credit card in Brazil! NEVER![/QUOTE]I'll third. In most cases, do not use a credit card in Brazil. There are too many skim scams. It's OK at top end hotels and restaurants, but that's about it. In Brazil, cash is king! And I say this about my favorite place to travel to. Just be smart about it.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2065449]Done EVER use your credit card in Brazil! NEVER![/QUOTE]I respect the opinions of the other members who said never, so I'm just going to talk about my experience. I have been going to Rio for over 15 years and have used a credit card at numerous termas, prives, restaurants, stores, hotel, etc, and have never experienced any problems using my credit card. I usually designate a credit card that I rarely use specifically for my trips. I always notify the CC company and advise them of my travel plans with the dates. Sometimes they will send me a notification after my first transaction and then I have to respond within a certain amount of time before they freeze it. I think they froze it once, some years ago because I either didn't notify them beforehand or I didn't respond promptly to the notification. Same with ATM card, I have a travel acct that I use for the trips for withdrawals. I stopped using my main bank acct over a decade ago.

Anyways that's my 2 cents. You got to do what ever you feel comfortable with. Hopefully I didn't jinx myself with this post, LOL. Good luck.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2065484]I'll third. In most cases, do not use a credit card in Brazil. There are too many skim scams. It's OK at top end hotels and restaurants, but that's about it. In Brazil, cash is king! And I say this about my favorite place to travel to. Just be smart about it.[/QUOTE]I use a password when I make a payment, I've never had any trouble with my card in Brazil, I still prefer to use cash over card because it is more interesting and you don't pay any fee, for me it is better to bring cash from my country and change in the most interesting change agency. Cash is more interesting and just use your card if you have no more cash from your country and all the banks are closed, there is no 24 h ATM next to where you are.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2064143]In recent inquiries I made of hotels in Rio the Marriott, the Pestana and Atlantico Copacabana are girl friendly.[/QUOTE]Rio Lancester at Copa cabana right on the beach and 5 min walk from Mabs.

Slaverio lifestyle at lapa.

Stayed here a few months back. No issues in getting girls back to my room.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2065584]I use a password when I make a payment, I've never had any trouble with my card in Brazil, I still prefer to use cash over card because it is more interesting and you don't pay any fee, for me it is better to bring cash from my country and change in the most interesting change agency. Cash is more interesting and just use your card if you have no more cash from your country and all the banks are closed, there is no 24 h ATM next to where you are.[/QUOTE]Why is paying cash more interesting?

[QUOTE=Balboa;2065681]Why is paying cash more interesting?[/QUOTE]1) I don't pay stupid bank fee to my bank.

2) when I bring Yen (Japanese Currency) to Rio de Janeiro, the rate is more interesting, I receive more than the daily rate shown on [URL]www.xe.com[/URL].

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2065096]I am planning a trip to RJ and have been doing my RTFF research on this thread. I plan to focus in large part on the termas, and I noticed that some termas allow customers to pay with credit cards. I would like to hear different opinions as to whether or not you recommend paying with cards.

The advantage for me is that it could enable me to reduce the amount of cash that I would carry and still be able to pay potentially large bills, given the prices of sessions at some of the termas. Given the risk of muggings in RJ, I would be more comfortable carrying less cash. With that said, I might want to carry enough cash with me anyway, in the event that the transactions fail. Give the high levels of cyber crime in Brazil, I would not be surprised if my banks decline the transactions, despite my travel notification to them, and I wonder if they would consider the termas suspicious vendors. Has anyone had issues with declined transactions at termas in particular, but not at other vendors in Brazil?.[/QUOTE]Everybody, thank you for your prompt and helpful responses. Given your below feedback, I will probably pay in cash. Since I would probably be taking a taxi or an Uber directly to and from my hotel and the termas anyway, I imagine that carrying larger amounts of cash would pose a low risk in that case. Are taxi robberies a problem in RJ, as they are in Medellin and elsewhere in Colombia?

I presume that my cash, along with my clothes and other belongings, would go in those lockers at the termas, to which they give you the key. Has anyone ever heard of money or other belongings being stolen from those lockers at the termas? I presume that the key that they give you is not the only key for that given locker.

The other obstacle to paying with cash is daily ATM withdrawal limits. Are the daily ATM withdrawal limits in Brazil low, as they often are in Colombia, or are they higher to reflect the higher costs there? Would it be better to bring cash and exchange it? Is there anywhere in Copacabana that exchanges USD at a good rate?

[QUOTE=Komo753;2065810]1) I don't pay stupid bank fee to my bank.

2) when I bring Yen (Japanese Currency) to Rio de Janeiro, the rate is more interesting, I receive more than the daily rate shown on [URL]www.xe.com[/URL].[/QUOTE]Ok, just don't understand the term "interesting" that you use.

Must be a language barrier thing.

Of course I understand that you mean "more economical".

Thanks!

In Brazil I have used my debit card for almost everything. I need reals for taxis and girls that I take to my apartment. The fact that I have not had a problem really doesn't mean much On my next trip someone could steal my CC number and have a ball. For the convenience of using my debit card I'm willing to take that chance. Most people would not do that and that's ok. Now in Uruguay if you use your debit or CC to pay a bill for a meal or rent a car, the computer will automatically deduct the VAT tax. If your cafe bill is 50. Oo US that's like 10 bucks savings. Thats a guess I really can't remember. In Brazil some time ATM are hard to find and they do charge a big fee to use. My bank doesn't help with this and I thought about opening an account with a bank that will repay the service charges but then again is it really worth the trouble. Just my opinion.

Arrived Friday around 23 h00 at my apptm at Copacabana literally 1 min from Mabs. I took a taxi and went straight to Mosaico. About 25 girls and 5 really pretty. I was taken by surprise because when I was ready to pick one the nice ones all suddenly were taken. So I went home around 03 h. Checked out Mabs, there was only 1 table with people and 2 GDP left. 1 nice in blue but she left as I arrived. The guy from Mabs told me to go to Kaiscade or something 1 block further (2 min). Never heard of the place but strange that there is not yet a report about this. Entrance is 50 reais but for 40 reais drinks included. 1 Budweiser cost 15 reais. Now this place is exactly the same as mosaico but bit fancier and better looking girls. They grab you as well and put their ass on your dick dancing funk at any time you give them a smile. I took a girl downstairs for 30 min for 200 reais. Really really good girl. CIM. But since my apptm is only 2 minutes away I will try to take one home for 250/ hour today.

Girls at Mosaico have to leave their phone upstairs and they have to stay until closing time around 06 h. Not much change of taking one home before.

Tonight I think going to Mabs, if anyone is up for a chat would be nice to meet there. I'm not a paying member so has to be here.

My last trip to RIO was cut short by a family issue that I was forced to return early to take care of. I'm hoping I can return in about 2 months. I will try to use AIRBNB and stay near Copa. In each of my reports I have talked up MABS. In my 2 RIO trips I think I have brought 5 chicas from MABS back to my apartment. 2 were outstanding 1 was just ok and 2 could of been better. The 2 great chicas didn't ask for money up front, the others all wanted and one demanded payment up front. Don't relent. If they want money up front that should ring a bell that its time to start thinking with the big head, not the little head.

Many members have told me that there are great places near COPA that have way better talent than Mabs. I would like to check other places out but RTFR can be a little confusing. People like me need help like 1- I don't care how far I need to go for a good bordello but if it's close to COPA that would be better. 2- I would prefer a place where I can suck on a beer while a chica plays with old spike trying to convince me she is the one. 3- I travel on a budget. I don't like old fat sweaty hos but in a pinch a little sweat is somewhat acceptable. I think you get the picture. Any help would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2066457]My last trip to RIO was cut short by a family issue that I was forced to return early to take care of. I'm hoping I can return in about 2 months. I will try to use AIRBNB and stay near Copa. In each of my reports I have talked up MABS. In my 2 RIO trips I think I have brought 5 chicas from MABS back to my apartment. 2 were outstanding 1 was just ok and 2 could of been better. The 2 great chicas didn't ask for money up front, the others all wanted and one demanded payment up front. Don't relent. If they want money up front that should ring a bell that its time to start thinking with the big head, not the little head.

Many members have told me that there are great places near COPA that have way better talent than Mabs. I would like to check other places out but RTFR can be a little confusing. People like me need help like 1- I don't care how far I need to go for a good bordello but if it's close to COPA that would be better. 2- I would prefer a place where I can suck on a beer while a chica plays with old spike trying to convince me she is the one. 3- I travel on a budget. I don't like old fat sweaty hos but in a pinch a little sweat is somewhat acceptable. I think you get the picture. Any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]My report is exactly what you're looking for. I know because I want the same.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2066155]In Brazil I have used my debit card for almost everything. I need reals for taxis and girls that I take to my apartment. The fact that I have not had a problem really doesn't mean much On my next trip someone could steal my CC number and have a ball. For the convenience of using my debit card I'm willing to take that chance. Most people would not do that and that's ok. Now in Uruguay if you use your debit or CC to pay a bill for a meal or rent a car, the computer will automatically deduct the VAT tax. If your cafe bill is 50. Oo US that's like 10 bucks savings. Thats a guess I really can't remember. In Brazil some time ATM are hard to find and they do charge a big fee to use. My bank doesn't help with this and I thought about opening an account with a bank that will repay the service charges but then again is it really worth the trouble. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]Charles Schwab bank's debit card provides free international ATM charges.

I'm planning a Sao Paolo trip and have a few questions.

1. How long are Visas for tourists from the US good for?

2. Are Visas only valid for single visit only? It's not valid for visiting multiple times within an alloted duration? How long is typically the Visa processing time?

3. Are there dangers of theft (wallets, muggings) in some parts? What parts are to be avoided and what parts are recommended for trouble free stay?

In case you may get wallet stolen, do you guys keep a special wallet to secure it?

4. What area of Sao Paolo is most recommended for puting that has most clubs?

5. Are every clubs easy to reach public transport? No point in rental cars?

6. Do the clubs only operate at night only like in some Spanish speaking countries? When does the club scen start kicking?

7. What location is best recommeded for hotel stay?

8. What is the typical prices of sessions? Is it per half HR or 1 HR? Are there services girls consider as extras?

9. Is it ok to land at any airport? There are several within the city reach.

Just completed a month in Rio and is Rio on the p4p decline?-yes probably.

Can you still find super hot chicas there-surely.

It all depends on perspective but as far as p4p I have to say it has declined or maybe urbanized/gone independent/more girls working 3.4 spots as the big termas arent bringing in the bread.

I think you have to even more be willing to do the foot work in trash areas and other neighborhoods to find jewels.

The mainstream termas to me did not have the level of talent it did 3 years ago.

I did find 4 diamonds in the trash spots/ tier 3 termas / boates however.

I did break my mabs duck and found a few cute ones there too-reasonably priced.

VM feels very low on talent.I went maybe 5 times and saw maybe 3 doables.

It does feel like a bit more of a struggle.

I ended up bangin a regular ex-VM girl and an ex T31 girl from previous trips-both hot so no complaints but didnt find that many new ones.

My non-pro activities provide the majority of girls there and the non pros are still very very hot in Rio.

Cupid still is my no 1 source of girls in Brazil contrary to what has been written.Even there you have to be somewhat of a specialist to search them out and know what to say-and obviously hope they dig your shots.

You need portuguese and game. The gringo with money routine doesn't cut it with them.

In PPG, the favela near me there are some super hot morenas who go to copa beach and back every day-most favelas have these.

In zona norte at rap battles I found many, in SG too. At blocos in Centro.

Rio is about footwork now where maybe SP has more mass in fewer spots.

I still love Brazil. We will see.I dont think I could do a month in Rio again on a p4p run.Maybe 2 weeks.

I asked here a few days ago if anyone know anything about RioEscortGuide. Alas, nobody did, so I tried them out, booking Savannah, who looked to good to be true.

And was.

Different girl, she was sweet natured but withholding of agreed services. No FK, no BBBJ, and no real interest beyond getting me to cum as quick as poss and getting out of there.

Dispiriting start to my stay, but I'll persevere.

[QUOTE=MisterAy;2063084]I'm headed to Rio next week for the first time. Been RTFF here which has been very helpful.

I've also been looking at RioEscortGuide which is a website. You have to add the dot of course, and then the com.

It looks fantastic. Great looking girls, reasonably prices etc. But is it too good to be true?

I haven't found it reviewed or mentioned anywhere. If anyone has any experience with it to share, I'd be grateful.

And if nobody has heard of it then check it out. I don't see why it wouldn't be legit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MisterAy;2067153]I asked here a few days ago if anyone know anything about RioEscortGuide. Alas, nobody did, so I tried them out, booking Savannah, who looked to good to be true.

And was.

Different girl, she was sweet natured but withholding of agreed services. No FK, no BBBJ, and no real interest beyond getting me to cum as quick as poss and getting out of there.

Dispiriting start to my stay, but I'll persevere.[/QUOTE]You had to pay upfront? If not the moment wrong girl shows up, straight on the phone.

Withholding agreed services?-byebye.

Newbie mistakes but youll learn quickly.

Thats why I don't mess with sites. Bait and switch. I want to see and feel them in person before closing the deal. Minimize the risk of a bad time. No one can 100% remove risk but certainly can win way more than lose.

Head to the termas and interview, ass grab, tongue kiss and test the chemistry before pulling any trigger.

Then go clinicas, trash puteiros, lower tier and vm! enjoy and remember-we got the power in our wallets! use it.

[QUOTE=MisterAy;2067153]I asked here a few days ago if anyone know anything about RioEscortGuide. Alas, nobody did, so I tried them out, booking Savannah, who looked to good to be true.

And was.

Different girl, she was sweet natured but withholding of agreed services. No FK, no BBBJ, and no real interest beyond getting me to cum as quick as poss and getting out of there.

Dispiriting start to my stay, but I'll persevere.[/QUOTE]The question was not needed to be replied, any escort website in any country is the same, the girls are not like the picture or they look older. If you want good experience just go to termas as a newbie.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2067053]Just completed a month in Rio and is Rio on the p4p decline?-yes probably.

Can you still find super hot chicas there-surely.

It all depends on perspective but as far as p4p I have to say it has declined or maybe urbanized/gone independent/more girls working 3.4 spots as the big termas arent bringing in the bread.

I think you have to even more be willing to do the foot work in trash areas and other neighborhoods to find jewels.

The mainstream termas to me did not have the level of talent it did 3 years ago.

I did find 4 diamonds in the trash spots/ tier 3 termas / boates however.

I did break my mabs duck and found a few cute ones there too-reasonably priced.

VM feels very low on talent.I went maybe 5 times and saw maybe 3 doables.

It does feel like a bit more of a struggle.

I ended up bangin a regular ex-VM girl and an ex T31 girl from previous trips-both hot so no complaints but didnt find that many new ones.

My non-pro activities provide the majority of girls there and the non pros are still very very hot in Rio.

Cupid still is my no 1 source of girls in Brazil contrary to what has been written.Even there you have to be somewhat of a specialist to search them out and know what to say-and obviously hope they dig your shots.[/QUOTE]Great trip summary report, thanks!

I'm in and out of Rio a lot these days.

I've had pretty good luck lately at VM and several other so called trash places in Centro.

Actually, Sunday night at VM was great! Too many girls to choose from, very few guys!

Always find something good!

I generally avoid Termas and Copa area.

Not my type of garotas normally.

Atitude is everything.

Learn Portuguese!

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2067794]Great trip summary report, thanks!

I'm in and out of Rio a lot these days.

I've had pretty good luck lately at VM and several other so called trash places in Centro.

Actually, Sunday night at VM was great! Too many girls to choose from, very few guys!

Always find something good!

I generally avoid Termas and Copa area.

Not my type of garotas normally.

Atitude is everything.

Learn Portuguese!

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Very true Balboa. VM can bring some unexpected diamonds. One negra with the firmest body I think I saw on this trip was in Afrodite and I saw her and hung in VM few days later. Attitude was wrong-she was too quick and her friend was a piranha who couldn't ask what your name is-just lets fuck-3 some-anything.

I haven't gotten lucky in a while in VM but it happens.

My best run was 2 years ago there.

Some times I need to not go there and then give it a spin.

Went to Barra Music and Viaduto and the spot in Bonsucesso for all the non-pros.

Insane amount of hot single and available girls. Portuguese required and they got to be into you.

Definetely possible.

I was with a hot negra non pro from Fortaleza so sand to the beach but girls definetely still eye you etc. Safadas.

I think for Rio in particular portuguese has become even more important as major termas are diminishing in numbers and quality.

I did go to 4 x 4-well komo twisted my arm and I have to say there were 3/4 v nice ones. Naturals from Bahia.

But def portuguese is more and more needed in Rio so maybe for the super gringo SP is becoming more suited.

I suppose in the clinicas no one cares-you might get had on the price but can fuck whos available.

Ironically enough I was always against grabbing one off the street for safety reasons,but I did grab a v cute,sweet negra from Rochina favela at mabs..long fun interview-we made out there too standing outside-had a drink..
very good vibe so I took her back for 2 hours.Was a positive experience except I had too many caipirinhas before hittin Mabs and I had already fucked in 210 or somewhere but girl was great..

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2067839]Very true Balboa. VM can bring some unexpected diamonds. One negra with the firmest body I think I saw on this trip was in Afrodite and I saw her and hung in VM few days later. Attitude was wrong-she was too quick and her friend was a piranha who couldn't ask what your name is-just lets fuck-3 some-anything.

I haven't gotten lucky in a while in VM but it happens.

My best run was 2 years ago there.

Some times I need to not go there and then give it a spin.

Went to Barra Music and Viaduto and the spot in Bonsucesso for all the non-pros.

Insane amount of hot single and available girls. Portuguese required and they got to be into you.

Definetely possible.

I was with a hot negra non pro from Fortaleza so sand to the beach but girls definetely still eye you etc. Safadas...[/QUOTE]Rio is fun, If you already have your regulars, but mongering in rio is worse and worse. We need to walk around just to find a girl we like, in the past it was easy to find a girl just in a brothel. I don't really go to termas for girls, I just go to termas for rooms, there are many girls better looking than termas girls in trash brothels but the problem is the rooms are fucking dirty and impossible to fuck in that condition. Nowadays it is very difficult to find a good and nice girl in a trash club and bring her to a motel. I went to VM with fuckadmedig, many girls had bad attitude. Like many guys we hate mechanical girls and piranhas.

Fuckafmedig twisted his foot when he fucked his negra in 210, the girl was very nice and good but the room was shitty.

Termas are not for gringos, I saw more Brazilians than gringos. I speak Portuguese and I go to termas because I prefer the atmosphere. I hate to participate in a dick fest in many trash clubs, termas are way better and always more girls than guys.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2067894]Rio is fun, If you already have your regulars, but mongering in rio is worse and worse. We need to walk around just to find a girl we like, in the past it was easy to find a girl just in a brothel. I don't really go to termas for girls, I just go to termas for rooms, there are many girls better looking than termas girls in trash brothels but the problem is the rooms are fucking dirty and impossible to fuck in that condition. Nowadays it is very difficult to find a good and nice girl in a trash club and bring her to a motel. I went to VM with fuckadmedig, many girls had bad attitude. Like many guys we hate mechanical girls and piranhas.

Fuckafmedig twisted his foot when he fucked his negra in 210, the girl was very nice and good but the room was shitty.

Termas are not for gringos, I saw more Brazilians than gringos. I speak Portuguese and I go to termas because I prefer the atmosphere. I hate to participate in a dick fest in many trash clubs, termas are way better and always more girls than guys.[/QUOTE]I have met so many cool, sexy, loving garotas at the trash places, including VM, recently that my plate is full.

Don't know if I'm just getting lucky or what, but I'm having a blast.

Taken the ones who pass the interview to my pad in Leblon, and they love it.

Good sex, laughs and fun.

My Portuguese is pretty good for being a gringo, LOL.

I have an easy going, happy, demeanor, and just make them feel comfortable.

Most guys are cool like that I think, portugus is key.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2068066]I have met so many cool, sexy, loving garotas at the trash places, including VM, recently that my plate is full.

Don't know if I'm just getting lucky or what, but I'm having a blast.

Taken the ones who pass the interview to my pad in Leblon, and they love it.

Good sex, laughs and fun.

My Portuguese is pretty good for being a gringo, LOL.

I have an easy going, happy, demeanor, and just make them feel comfortable.

Most guys are cool like that I think, portugus is key.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]I don't think you are as picky as I am, I met many nice girls in trash clubs but they are not my type. Many girls are good looking but they are not my type, it is impossible to find good looking white or white skinned girls in trash clubs that are not busy and that are nice. I don't need to be cheap in Brazil I want to enjoy before going back to hell I enjoy termas like many high class Brazilians.

I speak Portuguese, I don't have trouble picking regulars, in this trip I picked three regulars in lapa, I don't have time to hunt all the time because I am just in Rio for few weeks. Good for you you enjoy in VM, If you like vm or trash clubs that's cool. I hate dirtiness. I prefer to pay more and enjoy cleanliness, I don't pay more for the girl I pay more for the cleanliness and comfort like many high class Brazilians do. I don't need to be around dicks like many free entrance places.

Anyone know of any girl friendly hotels?

[QUOTE=FNick31;2068177]Anyone know of any girl friendly hotels?[/QUOTE]See and ask in the Hotel Thread instead of cluttering up this one. Before you know it, people are going to post in this thread about whether to use credit cards.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2068066]I have met so many cool, sexy, loving garotas at the trash places, including VM, recently that my plate is full.

Don't know if I'm just getting lucky or what, but I'm having a blast.

Taken the ones who pass the interview to my pad in Leblon, and they love it.

Good sex, laughs and fun.

My Portuguese is pretty good for being a gringo, LOL.

I have an easy going, happy, demeanor, and just make them feel comfortable.

Most guys are cool like that I think, portugus is key.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Enjoy the lucky streak!

VM is a crap shoot-the 4 I met over 4 years I kept in contact with where great-one I still see now.

Trash termas including lower tier (t31,old Florida etc) have produced some great ones for me outside.

Some I still keep in contact with-one I fuck but we are not meant to keep hold of them that long! LOL don't get too attached. Have fun and take it for what it is.

Only once did I slip and take a new 18 year old ex GDP abroad for a fun trip.

Never again! LOL.

Only gfs / non-pros come overseas with me.

[QUOTE=FNick31;2068177]Anyone know of any girl friendly hotels?[/QUOTE]Hotel IBIS chain. Check them in and check them OUT-then you can check the next one in and out. 2 adults max in rooms.

Best Western too I did no probs. Ipanema too! LOL as long as you check in as 2 people. Reservation is for 2 they can't really say much if the companion changes face, height, color, weight! LOL.

Guys,

Been here 5-6 times and wanted to get some 411 ahead of my trip.

1. What is the rate at 4 x 4 now for rooms? Last time I was there they increased it like 50% because of the reals decrease against the dollar 2 years ago. 40 or 60 min, although 60 is always better deal IMO for a few bucks more.

2. Daytime action I haven't hit in like 4-5 years, so what MP's are you guys hitting with prices?

I'll probably hit up Monte Carlo, but not Centaurus. Is Solarium back?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=CaliMan;2068468]Guys,

Been here 5-6 times and wanted to get some 411 ahead of my trip.

1. What is the rate at 4 x 4 now for rooms? Last time I was there they increased it like 50% because of the reals decrease against the dollar 2 years ago. 40 or 60 min, although 60 is always better deal IMO for a few bucks more.

2. Daytime action I haven't hit in like 4-5 years, so what MP's are you guys hitting with prices?

I'll probably hit up Monte Carlo, but not Centaurus. Is Solarium back?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I liked your earlier reports from your 6 previous Rio trips. I've printed out all your Rio reports and I'll bring them along on my next trip. Knowing that there is no search function in the forum I'll PM you a Rio guide.

[QUOTE=CaliMan;2068468]1. What is the rate at 4 x 4 now for rooms? Last time I was there they increased it like 50% because of the reals decrease against the dollar 2 years ago. [/QUOTE]You seriously believe that the price of a local fuckhouse changed due to the local currency's change against a foreign currency? Did the prices at your local strip club change when the US$ (assuming you are American) was in the shitter against the GBP and Euro?

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2068336]Enjoy the lucky streak!

VM is a crap shoot-the 4 I met over 4 years I kept in contact with where great-one I still see now.

Trash termas including lower tier (t31,old Florida etc) have produced some great ones for me outside.

Some I still keep in contact with-one I fuck but we are not meant to keep hold of them that long! LOL don't get too attached. Have fun and take it for what it is.

Only once did I slip and take a new 18 year old ex GDP abroad for a fun trip.

Never again! LOL.

Only gfs / non-pros come overseas with me.[/QUOTE]Interesting enough, I've never really had a bad night at VM.

Maybe because I show up with no expectations, and just take it for what it is, hope for the best.

I've been going there enough now, for about 3 years pretty regularly, and I even know most of the street vendors, and a lot of the Tias.

For me it's fun to pass thru for a couple hours at the end of my night, usually knowing that I have a GF coming over the next day, so if there's nothing there, no big deal.

However, there's almost always been something there to meet and play with.

Also, as you most likely know, there are some real dirty, ugly rooms at VM, LOL.

However, there a few places that actually have ok rooms, even a couple with AC and new sheets each time.

I obviously avoid the dirty, ugly rooms, and girls have even taken me out of the bar I've met them in, and to the nicer rooms, when I joke with them about how nasty the rooms can be at a particular place.

I know there can be some real ignorant type girls there as well.

Within a minute or less of talking to them, I know, and I just beat feet, no big deal.

Some real sweethearts too though, and that's the prize.

Not for everyone, for sure. Much better if you know what you're doing, which I'm sure you do.
(And I do want to shout out an Obrigado and Thanks to Sperto, for his past guidance, that set me on the right path in VM, several years back)

Off to Colombia tomorrow. Have to share the love with the Colombianas too, LOL.
Actually banged a 22 year old American girl yesterday, which was rare for me, Lol.
I normally just chill on my pass throughs in the US, but it just fell in my lap.

Enjoy amigo!

Anyone ever have bad experiences with street girls? Would love to hear about it.

Any recommendations for massage parlors?

Do they provide full sexual services?

Do they give you actual massages?

Is a rushed unprofessional experience?

[QUOTE=Balboa;2068524]Interesting enough, I've never really had a bad night at VM.

Maybe because I show up with no expectations, and just take it for what it is, hope for the best.

I've been going there enough now, for about 3 years pretty regularly, and I even know most of the street vendors, and a lot of the Tias.

For me it's fun to pass thru for a couple hours at the end of my night, usually knowing that I have a GF coming over the next day, so if there's nothing there, no big deal.

However, there's almost always been something there to meet and play with.

Also, as you most likely know, there are some real dirty, ugly rooms at VM, LOL.

However, there a few places that actually have ok rooms, even a couple with AC and new sheets each time.[/QUOTE]Good story, I would like to have your eyes and be simple, there is no clean room in VM. I visited all of them. VM is very smelly, I did not know there was a hotel in the red light. You must share the info about the clean rooms with changed sheet, there is a clean private shower? You are talking about. Where it is located?

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2068338]Hotel IBIS chain. Check them in and check them OUT-then you can check the next one in and out. 2 adults max in rooms.

Best Western too I did no probs. Ipanema too! LOL as long as you check in as 2 people. Reservation is for 2 they can't really say much if the companion changes face, height, color, weight! LOL.[/QUOTE]Thank you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2068509]You seriously believe that the price of a local fuckhouse changed due to the local currency's change against a foreign currency? Did the prices at your local strip club change when the US$ (assuming you are American) was in the shitter against the GBP and Euro?[/QUOTE]Dude,

Were you ever in the termas? It sounds like fuck no because the price at 4 x 4 went up considerably after the real lost half it's value. It isn't the US, it is fucking Brazil and they lost a huge amount when their currency went back to 2000's valuation, when it happened 4 x 4 went up not by a little either. As I recall they even had a white printed out sheet over on the wall with their prices because it was so dynamic. So get your facts before you pop off. I'm a long time WSG poster who just came over here to ISG so have some respect dude.

[QUOTE=CaliMan;2068710]Dude,

Were you ever in the termas? It sounds like fuck no because the price at 4 x 4 went up considerably after the real lost half it's value. It isn't the US, it is fucking Brazil and they lost a huge amount when their currency went back to 2000's valuation, when it happened 4 x 4 went up not by a little either. As I recall they even had a white printed out sheet over on the wall with their prices because it was so dynamic. So get your facts before you pop off. I'm a long time WSG poster who just came over here to ISG so have some respect dude.[/QUOTE]4 by 4 is 360 reais an hour.

Only Cancun did not rise the price. It is still 330 reais.

The prices in prives are still the same nothing changed you can find some prives for 30 reais 20 minutes with one girl or 50 reais 30 minutes with 2 girls, sometimes you can find some good looking girls if you are lucky. Everywhere even in termas it is not easy to find good looking girls. I give an example there are one hundred girls in 4 by4 there are only 5 girls I like and fucked. In Rio you can fuck a good looking girl for cheap like an ugly girl for more expensive, you just have to do your homework, Rio is more a footwork.

[QUOTE=FNick31;2068564]Anyone ever have bad experiences with street girls? Would love to hear about it.[/QUOTE]Yes. The dude looked like a lady!

[QUOTE=Komo753;2068581]Good story, I would like to have your eyes and be simple, there is no clean room in VM. I visited all of them. VM is very smelly, I did not know there was a hotel in the red light. You must share the info about the clean rooms with changed sheet, there is a clean private shower? You are talking about. Where it is located?[/QUOTE]Stick to the Termas, doctor Fun.

I don't have time for your negativity.

You must be a total joy to hang with.

No thanks.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2068581]Good story, I would like to have your eyes and be simple, there is no clean room in VM. I visited all of them. VM is very smelly, I did not know there was a hotel in the red light. You must share the info about the clean rooms with changed sheet, there is a clean private shower? You are talking about. Where it is located?[/QUOTE]Yep, I'm a simple guy.

I don't need chocolates on the pillows.

If you've visited all the rooms, then there's no need to explain more.

No clean rooms, it all sucks and is a smelly, horrible place.

Stick to the Termas.

All good.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2068895]Yep, I'm a simple guy.

I don't need chocolates on the pillows.

If you've visited all the rooms, then there's no need to explain more.

No clean rooms, it all sucks and is a smelly, horrible place.

Stick to the Termas.

All good.[/QUOTE]I don't only stick to termas, I go to VM twice a week I also go to trash clubs Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday when there are less dicks, I go everywhere (termas, trash clubs, regular clubs, barra the tijuka (Paris cafe) etc, last week I went to VM with fuckafmedig, I met a skinny black girl with pierced pussy, but I did not fuck her, I went back to VM Saturday alone just to try to find her but I was lucky I find a good looking white girl with pierced pussy in Mosaic, she had two piercing on her vagina, she is slim. She was very good, I paid 200 reais. Now she wants to come to my place. I can fuck any girl but I have a preference for whites, there are not many good looking whites in VM, only fat ones. In VM I only saw some good looking blacks or mulatas. In mosaic there are some good looking whites but there are also many plastic girls.

The clean rooms with changed sheet and shower: you must share the info to others so that they can take advantage of the rooms when they go to dirty VM unless the info is not accurate. The forum is meant to help others and share accurate info.

Enjoy and stick to VM.

[QUOTE=CaliMan;2068710]Dude,

Were you ever in the termas? It sounds like fuck no because the price at 4 x 4 went up considerably after the real lost half it's value. It isn't the US, it is fucking Brazil and they lost a huge amount when their currency went back to 2000's valuation, when it happened 4 x 4 went up not by a little either. As I recall they even had a white printed out sheet over on the wall with their prices because it was so dynamic. So get your facts before you pop off. I'm a long time WSG poster who just came over here to ISG so have some respect dude.[/QUOTE]So because the prices at the termas went up around the time the real lost its value against the dollar, this means the two are correlated? I would think not. First of all, the decrease you cited happened over a 3 year period. Did the prices inch up little by little over this 3 year period or did they just jump up when the white sheet appeared on the wall? Second of all, there has been a 25% increase in the real against the dollar over the past year. Did prices at the termas fall? Probably not; because they have nothing to do with the real vs the dollar.

And to answer your question, see the attached photo.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2068936]So because the prices at the termas went up around the time the real lost its value against the dollar, this means the two are correlated? I would think not. First of all, the decrease you cited happened over a 3 year period. Did the prices inch up little by little over this 3 year period or did they just jump up when the white sheet appeared on the wall? Second of all, there has been a 25% increase in the real against the dollar over the past year. Did prices at the termas fall? Probably not; because they have nothing to do with the real vs the dollar.

And to answer your question, see the attached photo.[/QUOTE]Dude,

Did you read what you wrote? You think that the Real getting decimated in the last few years didn't spurn them raising their prices? Hell yeah it did, of course it did and many hotels / rental apartments went total USD pegged to combat the currency fluctuations. Why would they drop it right away when it is only down 20% from the high of a year ago? I wouldn't as hyper inflation of all commodities and services happens in such cases when you have rapid inflation, termas would be no different. I have an MBA so I'll stop there, but just know what we are talking about is a floating currency that isn't pegged to the dollar in a BRICS country (B is for Brazil). I first went in 2009 and 2010 when it was under 2 and everything I thought was expensive then. Now everything is cheaper, so businesses have to raise their prices. Some local or regular tell us the 40 min / 60 min prices back in 09/10. I remember it being like 40-50% less. Why? I just answered that. Happy mongering and thanks to those that respond with info not attitude, the amount of posters here makes ISG really overshadow WSG by leaps and bounds thus I'll be hitting this forum up from now on. Peace.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2068913]I don't only stick to termas, I go to VM twice a week I also go to trash clubs Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday when there are less dicks, I go everywhere (termas, trash clubs, regular clubs, barra the tijuka (Paris cafe) etc, last week I went to VM with fuckafmedig, I met a skinny black girl with pierced pussy, but I did not fuck her, I went back to VM Saturday alone just to try to find her but I was lucky I find a good looking white girl with pierced pussy in Mosaic, she had two piercing on her vagina, she is slim. She was very good, I paid 200 reais. Now she wants to come to my place. I can fuck any girl but I have a preference for whites, there are not many good looking whites in VM, only fat ones. In VM I only saw some good looking blacks or mulatas. In mosaic there are some good looking whites but there are also many plastic girls.

The clean rooms with changed sheet and shower: you must share the info to others so that they can take advantage of the rooms when they go to dirty VM unless the info is not accurate. The forum is meant to help others and share accurate info.

Enjoy and stick to VM.[/QUOTE]Congratulations!

Glad you're having fun.

By the way, I posted this earlier, "However, there are a few places (in VM) that actually have ok rooms, even a couple with AC and new sheets each time".

Nothing about a shower, or a clean room like in a Terma.
New sheets and AC is what I stated.

Please be accurate, this forum is about sharing good info.

Enjoy your preferred white girls, maybe try SP, they're in abundance.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2069253]Congratulations!

Glad you're having fun.

By the way, I posted this earlier, "However, there are a few places (in VM) that actually have ok rooms, even a couple with AC and new sheets each time".

Nothing about a shower, or a clean room like in a Terma.
New sheets and AC is what I stated.

Please be accurate, this forum is about sharing good info.

Enjoy your preferred white girls, maybe try SP, they're in abundance.[/QUOTE]I ll be in Sao Paulo in two weeks. Nightlife is better and more different girls, but the city is not as beautiful as Rio.

I know there are many German Italian women in Sao Paulo. My last stay in Sao Paulo I sessioned with German Italian women.

Anyway women are the same in every brothel in Rio de Janeiro, only the rooms and location change, but saying women are not your type in terma is a bit exaggerated, because these women also work in other places. Like trash clubs etc. (in terma there are all kinds of woman.) there are women with good or bad attitude.

If you had said terma is not your type I would have understood better.

Enjoy your vm and centro women.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2069253]Congratulations!

Glad you're having fun.

By the way, I posted this earlier, "However, there are a few places (in VM) that actually have ok rooms, even a couple with AC and new sheets each time".

Nothing about a shower, or a clean room like in a Terma.
New sheets and AC is what I stated.

Please be accurate, this forum is about sharing good info.

Enjoy your preferred white girls, maybe try SP, they're in abundance.[/QUOTE]New sheets and AC in VM? Wow. And not Mosaico?

Im jealous now and

I wish I had found these casas! Unfortunately all the ones I tried had at times a working fan! LOL.

I recall occasionally a girl putting a sheet down but ID still do my thing standing or semi standing-leg work in the VM gym.

I must admit, sometimes its a turn on runnin upstairs and bangin in a mess!

I did this in Afrodite-I actually preferred the small rooms to the "suite"loool where the bed has 3 springs and the shower is shared with any puta who needs a shower! LOL.

But hey back to VM-if the short term session was hot and I wanted longer I would take her to Malaga-wouldn't always improve it though.

Ultimately bringin em back to the crib is in general more fruitful as the clock isnt running down but variation is the spice of ......etc

[QUOTE=Komo753;2069261]saying women are not your type in terma is a bit exaggerated, because these women also work in other places. Like trash clubs etc. (in terma there are all kinds of woman.) there are women with good or bad attitude.

If you had said terma is not your type I would have understood better.

Enjoy your vm and centro women.[/QUOTE]I agree, I should have said that I don't like the Termas, instead of the garotas in the Termas, though in general the girls in the Termas, especially beachside, have seen more tourists and / or gringos and therefore are more mechanical or greedy.

Of course there are exceptions.

Again I agree that some of these girls will work in the higher end places as well as the Trash places.

I've seen it even more in São Paulo actually.

I've met plenty who work in both Trash places and places like Cafe Foto several nights a week as well to catch the big fish.

Enjoy SP.

This is all so pedestrian.

Has anyone gotten a pro to seduce a non pro?

Had the wife over in April at boteca Belmonte and I found a Morena Clara in the boteca. The non pro supposedly has a boyfriend, so I am thinking of sending some pros with weed to seduce the non pro in a weed fueled lesbian orgy which inevitably I participate in.

[QUOTE=CaliMan;2069216]You think that the Real getting decimated in the last few years didn't spurn them raising their prices? Hell yeah it did, of course it did and many hotels / rental apartments went total USD pegged to combat the currency fluctuations.[/QUOTE]It's really quite simple. Foreign exchange rates are part of the price mechanism. Sometimes the FX rate leads where local prices more sensitive to international markets will go up. Sometimes FX rates lag whereby the currency devalues because local prices are increasing unsustainably faster than the relative international markets. One thing for sure is there a correlation between prices and the FX rate for an economy like Brasil that is not big enough or independent enough to be immune from this effect.

It's correct that you'll see this effect manifest first in things like hotels and real estate. Particularly in desirable locations in cities and coast front. If you see a currency massively devalue (let's use the recent Argentina experience for example), your best bet is to get down there immediately before local prices adjust. Believe me, the local prices do adjust sooner than later. Good luck trying to get someone to sell you an attractive property at the local currency price set before the devaluation.

[QUOTE=CaliMan;2069216]Dude, I have an MBA so I'll stop there, but just know what we are talking about is a floating currency that isn't pegged to the dollar in a BRICS country (B is for Brazil). [/QUOTE]Just to turn this into a pissing match, I have an MBA as well. In International Business. And wouldn't you know of all the places where I studied Brazil just happened to be one of them. But I will take note and remember that whatever happens to the real, the opposite will happen in the termas.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2067053]Just completed a month in Rio and is Rio on the p4p decline?-yes probably.

Can you still find super hot chicas there-surely.

It all depends on perspective but as far as p4p I have to say it has declined or maybe urbanized/gone independent/more girls working 3.4 spots as the big termas arent bringing in the bread.

I think you have to even more be willing to do the foot work in trash areas and other neighborhoods to find jewels.

The mainstream termas to me did not have the level of talent it did 3 years ago.

I did find 4 diamonds in the trash spots/ tier 3 termas / boates however.

I did break my mabs duck and found a few cute ones there too-reasonably priced..[/QUOTE]I'm not surprised that you are anticipating to not stay Brazil in over a month in future. Back in 2007 and 08, I have made several trips to Brazil and rented apartments for a 3 to 6 month contracts from local Rio property owners for really cheap. At that time, I used to rent it for nearly Real 1200 per month (US $400) for a furnished 1 bedroom near help disco area. Everyday, I used to go out of my mind over deciding what to do each day as I had endless options seven days a week from several escort services, Termas, bars, and Help Disco. The Rio P4P scene was at its peak during 2006-2009. I used to come to Rio for a long 3 to 6 months long vacation to get away from the world and spend my time peacefully in this paradise. Those were the best days of my life.

It looked like you got bored in a month and I don't blame you. The P4P market had not been the same and the attitude of the girls changed due to increased level of competition and lower income. Nearly, all the escort service agencies, Help Disco, few Termas, Balcony bar and other left over options have shut down permanently for the past few years. The economy is not the same anymore. I had seen an increase in Brazilian escorts in London escort sites asking for 150 British pounds which is equivalent to 600 Reals per hour and they have no problem getting clients who can afford this price here.

Brazil P4P industry compete with the global p4 p market, thus they increase the prices so they can earn the same amount in US dollars. Just two years ago, a one bedroom in Copacabana was around 600 thousand Reals and now it's 900 k Reals because the owners want to sell it with the same US $ market value. The similar strategy is executed by the Terma or other P4P business owners.

The problem with the footwork is that it requires time to do your research. If someone has time and money to visit Brazil over 2 weeks, more power to you. However, due to the availability of very few options left, I think it's smart to stay there for max 2 weeks and enjoy Rio while it last.

On a quick pass through on my way back to the the States, I stopped by Rio to get a feel of the current climate. Arriving from Lisbon just before 18 hs local, I went to Copa, Delirio to be exact, just around 20 hs, to have a look - 3 garotas in the line up. Chose one for 30 minutes before going to Monte Carlo. By 22 hs there were 7 guys including me and 19 garotas. The climate was blah as there has not been a DJ for nearly two months I am being told and the girls are simply sitting waiting for someone to approach or to just pass the time. Definitely a different time. I understand all that is going with the local economy but Monte Carlo is hurting, and hurting bad. Just as I imagine with many other establishments. I am on the way to Mabs now just to take a look. I won't be surprised if it is ruin also.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2070055]I'm not surprised that you are anticipating to not stay Brazil in over a month in future. Back in 2007 and 08, I have made several trips to Brazil and rented apartments for a 3 to 6 month contracts from local Rio property owners for really cheap. At that time, I used to rent it for nearly Real 1200 per month (US $400) for a furnished 1 bedroom near help disco area. Everyday, I used to go out of my mind over deciding what to do each day as I had endless options seven days a week from several escort services, Termas, bars, and Help Disco. The Rio P4P scene was at its peak during 2006-2009. I used to come to Rio for a long 3 to 6 months long vacation to get away from the world and spend my time peacefully in this paradise. Those were the best days of my life.

It looked like you got bored in a month and I don't blame you. The P4P market had not been the same and the attitude of the girls changed due to increased level of competition and lower income. Nearly, all the escort service agencies, Help Disco, few Termas, Balcony bar and other left over options have shut down permanently for the past few years. The economy is not the same anymore. I had seen an increase in Brazilian escorts in London escort sites asking for 150 British pounds which is equivalent to 600 Reals per hour and they have no problem getting clients who can afford this price here.

Brazil P4P industry compete with the global p4 p market, thus they increase the prices so they can earn the same amount in US dollars. Just two years ago, a one bedroom in Copacabana was around 600 thousand Reals and now it's 900 k Reals because the owners want to sell it with the same US $ market value. The similar strategy is executed by the Terma or other P4P business owners.

The problem with the footwork is that it requires time to do your research. If someone has time and money to visit Brazil over 2 weeks, more power to you. However, due to the availability of very few options left, I think it's smart to stay there for max 2 weeks and enjoy Rio while it last.[/QUOTE]The dollar was not 3 to 1 in 2007 and 2008.

[QUOTE=Diegoff61;2070111]On a quick pass through on my way back to the the States, I stopped by Rio to get a feel of the current climate. Arriving from Lisbon just before 18 hs local, I went to Copa, Delirio to be exact, just around 20 hs, to have a look - 3 garotas in the line up. Chose one for 30 minutes before going to Monte Carlo. By 22 hs there were 7 guys including me and 19 garotas. The climate was blah as there has not been a DJ for nearly two months I am being told and the girls are simply sitting waiting for someone to approach or to just pass the time. Definitely a different time. I understand all that is going with the local economy but Monte Carlo is hurting, and hurting bad. Just as I imagine with many other establishments. I am on the way to Mabs now just to take a look. I won't be surprised if it is ruin also.[/QUOTE]I would not be surprised if a termas like Monte Carlo is hurting, The Economy is very bad, so most brazilians Do not frequent these termas like they use too, Also there is not alot of mongering tourist like back in the early 2000's to pick up the slack, because the P4 P is somewhat dead, and Traveling to Brazil is expensive.

[QUOTE=Diegoff61;2070111]On a quick pass through on my way back to the the States, I stopped by Rio to get a feel of the current climate. Arriving from Lisbon just before 18 hs local, I went to Copa, Delirio to be exact, just around 20 hs, to have a look - 3 garotas in the line up. Chose one for 30 minutes before going to Monte Carlo. By 22 hs there were 7 guys including me and 19 garotas. The climate was blah as there has not been a DJ for nearly two months I am being told and the girls are simply sitting waiting for someone to approach or to just pass the time. Definitely a different time. I understand all that is going with the local economy but Monte Carlo is hurting, and hurting bad. Just as I imagine with many other establishments. I am on the way to Mabs now just to take a look. I won't be surprised if it is ruin also.[/QUOTE]I will be in Rio at the end of August. How much was in entrance fee to Monte Carlo?

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2070235]The dollar was not 3 to 1 in 2007 and 2008.[/QUOTE]The dollar vs Real was bad area 2011 I think. But I think you failed to understand the point that I was making. Brazillian will update prices while comparing with P4P cost in the global market with the global market. For instance, I just bought Samsung Galaxy 8+ in UK for 800 British Pounds and you can purchase it for US $1100 in the USA. It will cost you 3300 Reals in Brazil. The Brazilian p4 p owners are smart enough to update their prices while comparing with the cost and level of sex service in Germany, France, Ukraine etc. Wake up man. They are not stupid anymore. Welcome to Globalization.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2070269]I would not be surprised if a termas like Monte Carlo is hurting, The Economy is very bad, so most brazilians Do not frequent these termas like they use too, Also there is not alot of mongering tourist like back in the early 2000's to pick up the slack, because the P4 P is somewhat dead, and Traveling to Brazil is expensive.[/QUOTE]No dj in Monte Carlo means no vibe starter. Place is finished if they can't even afford a dj.

Total silence and a bunch of plastic girls with too much make up. Sounds as exciting as Copa beach on a rainy day.

RIP MC good times were had.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2070612]No dj in Monte Carlo means no vibe starter. Place is finished if they can't even afford a dj.

Total silence and a bunch of plastic girls with too much make up. Sounds as exciting as Copa beach on a rainy day.

RIP MC good times were had.[/QUOTE]It is time they change their price so that they attract more Brazilians instead of trying to attract gringos.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2070488]I will be in Rio at the end of August. How much was in entrance fee to Monte Carlo?[/QUOTE]I think it was 90 BRL back in June. If you really need to know the exact price give them a call or send an email.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2069970]It's really quite simple. Foreign exchange rates are part of the price mechanism. Sometimes the FX rate leads where local prices more sensitive to international markets will go up. Sometimes FX rates lag whereby the currency devalues because local prices are increasing unsustainably faster than the relative international markets. One thing for sure is there a correlation between prices and the FX rate for an economy like Brasil that is not big enough or independent enough to be immune from this effect.

It's correct that you'll see this effect manifest first in things like hotels and real estate. Particularly in desirable locations in cities and coast front. If you see a currency massively devalue (let's use the recent Argentina experience for example), your best bet is to get down there immediately before local prices adjust. Believe me, the local prices do adjust sooner than later. Good luck trying to get someone to sell you an attractive property at the local currency price set before the devaluation.[/QUOTE]Real estate in Rio is dropping, not only termas are rising the price, I saw many restaurants raising their price, Brazil is a country with much tax especially when you export, if the real drops the prices will be more expensive for exported products not for local pussies. I think the problem is only in Rio, Rio is the most expensive city in Brazil. Taxes are worse in Brazil nowadays, if the price is more expensive, it is not because of the real, it is because of competition, there are less termas. In the past there were more termas, clubs and brothels that worked well so the prices were better because they compete.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2070648]I think it was 90 BRL back in June. If you really need to know the exact price give them a call or send an email.[/QUOTE]If Ivan and the fat controller in Monte Carlo (good cop / bad cop) want to attract people again make it free to get in or charge a small fee towards consumacao.

Charging nearly 100 reais to get in excludes many and is totally unrealistic,especially considering the very lazy recruitment of girls going on.

I could see it closing by 2018 if it carries on in this vein.

Solarium seems to fare slightly better allthough more expensive and out of curiosity, how is Centaurus getting along?.

If we are on the tier 1 analysis,4 x 4 wasnt bad-Cancun lacked talent as usual and T65 shouldn't have bothered reopening.

Playground already shut (tier 1/ tier 2) again and Cafe Romance there isn't enough feedback on so can't be that great.

Back to the gutter again for me.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2070528]The dollar vs Real was bad area 2011 I think. But I think you failed to understand the point that I was making. Brazillian will update prices while comparing with P4P cost in the global market with the global market. For instance, I just bought Samsung Galaxy 8+ in UK for 800 British Pounds and you can purchase it for US $1100 in the USA. It will cost you 3300 Reals in Brazil. The Brazilian p4 p owners are smart enough to update their prices while comparing with the cost and level of sex service in Germany, France, Ukraine etc. Wake up man. They are not stupid anymore. Welcome to Globalization.[/QUOTE]What are you talking about man? Samsung Galaxy? That has nothing to do with comparing costs or currency changes. Sure there can be an amount of price discrimination over different markets, but for the most part that has to do with import taxes.

I still say it is a ridiculous "theory". In 2015 and 2016 when the dollar gained against the euro, did all the FKK owners in Germany start increasing their prices? No fuck shop in country A decides their prices on what is going on in countries B through Z. You guys act like these places are giant corporations. It is a hoarhouse with 30 chicks working there where a guy can go get his rocks off for 40 minutes.

Talk about overthinking. Will someone that has boots on the ground just go ask these guys why they are moving the prices up instead of giving into all the economic theory of hoarhouses stuff.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2070757]What are you talking about man? Samsung Galaxy? That has nothing to do with comparing costs or currency changes. Sure there can be an amount of price discrimination over different markets, but for the most part that has to do with import taxes.

I still say it is a ridiculous "theory". In 2015 and 2016 when the dollar gained against the euro, did all the FKK owners in Germany start increasing their prices? No fuck shop in country A decides their prices on what is going on in countries B through Z. You guys act like these places are giant corporations. It is a hoarhouse with 30 chicks working there where a guy can go get his rocks off for 40 minutes.

Talk about overthinking. Will someone that has boots on the ground just go ask these guys why they are moving the prices up instead of giving into all the economic theory of hoarhouses stuff.[/QUOTE]The reason Terma owners in Rio keep tweaking prices upwards is because this is the general Carioca response to a crisis.

If they get fewer customers theyll squeeze them to make up the lost profit.

Ask any Brazilian there. Short-termism at its finest. Anything to avoid returning money or discounting.

The ones who are trying to be pro-active are the independents offering more girls for less etc and like the ones i met at Mabs offering me 1.5-2 hours for 150.

Increasing the entry fee towards consumacao is ok but only if you ACTUALLY plan on drinking quite a bit or buying drinks for the garotas etc

Once at MC a girl I picked went to the bathroom for 15 minutes (I shit you not) and I terminated and wanted money back. They fought me tooth and nail offering me free entrance next time despite me spending many many thousands there up till this event.

Only one of the tier 2/3 termas lowered their 1 hour price from 200 to 180 (T3) -everyone else just keeps tweaking it a bit hoping no one will notice! Loool.

Safados.

I don't think termas have a future in Rio beyond the ones who have a following-a good local clientele as well as suplementing with some gringoes (4 x 4 etc) Solarium cause its for rich cariocas who like white girls but can't be bothered going to SP and the lower tier spots with a crowd (MV30 etc) wholl always get some and the rent there isn't alot as its the dark side of Vargas.

Just my 2 centavos.

It seems that in SP its more business as usual in the big termas???? is it because more business men flow through SP-business center of BR etc?

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2070833]The reason Terma owners in Rio keep tweaking prices upwards is because this is the general Carioca response to a crisis.

If they get fewer customers theyll squeeze them to make up the lost profit.

Ask any Brazilian there. Short-termism at its finest. Anything to avoid returning money or discounting.[/QUOTE]Yeah I never understand Brazilians, If something does not sell or demand is weak, they will raise the price? Its kinda like Google comes out with a product called Google Glass and they sell it for $1,000 at launch and it does not sell, so how does raising the price? Going to help? But again it's the reason Brazil is a 3rd world country.

I have been doing my RTFF research for my upcoming first trip to RJ. Please correct me if I am wrong, but it appears that most of the termas and prives / massagems are closed on Sundays. I saw a reference on this thread to Solarium being open on Sundays, but their website says that it is not open on Sundays.

As a first-time visitor to RJ who speaks no Portuguese, I plan to focus on termas, prives, and massagems. Given the circumstances, I am hesitant to pursue independent GDPs in person and online, and I wonder if Vila Mimosa would be a good fit for me even if I did have prior RJ experience and spoke Portuguese, given what I have read about it here. A Sunday will also be my second day in town, so I will not have had much time to collect phone numbers from termas or prive GDPs by that very early point in my trip.

So where do you go on Sundays? I did a search and it seems like Vila Mimosa, Mabs, and Barbarella's are popular options for Sundays. Do you have any other suggestions for a first-time visitor with no Portuguese? Are there any termas, prives, or massagens open on Sundays that I may have missed?

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2070528]I just bought Samsung Galaxy 8+ in UK for 800 British Pounds and you can purchase it for US $1100 in the USA. It will cost you 3300 Reals in Brazil. .[/QUOTE]I am confused by your math or where it leads you. USD 1,100 at an FX rate of 3. 15 per BRL means that phone should cost more than BRL 3. 400. So buying it for BRL 3. 300 seems like a bargain?

Looking at [URL]Kabum.com.br[/URL], they seem to be offering it (with boleto discount) for BRL 3. 190.

I just checked Amazon and unlocked international versions seem to be going for between USD 700-800. (Note they may not be exactly the same versions as the BR one on Kabum or your UK ones, but I don't know).

That difference (750 USD = 2362 BRL vs Kabum price) seems to make more sense to me. As others have noted, most of the difference in BR electronics pricing is due to painfully high government-imposed tarrifs designed "to keep BR industry competitive" (but that actually do nothing but increase cost to consumers and hurt, long term, the Brazilian population). You see it everywhere on TVs, washer / dryers, phones, PCs, etc. It has been consistent since I moved here 6+ years ago. The only time you can slightly get ahead of it is when the FX changes quickly (BRL strengthens suddenly) and you can buy before prices adjust (because for imported electronics, they do tend to follow USD pricing).

Anyway, let's get this thread back to actionable info about finding girls for paid sex in Rio. Deal?

I went to MC earlier this week with some visitors in town. Probably about 25 girls and 7-8 guys. Quality is not great but was better than a few months ago, a few slimmer girls. Total cost for 40 minutes with 1 chopp, 1 bottle beer (she bought a heineken, I wanted to shoot her), bottle of water was BRL 504. That's around USD 160 which is kind of high*. I didn't get my free entrada this time so I think that was all-in. Apparently they are remodeling some of the rooms to have showers, I was told.

Granted this was an early day in the week but it wasn't poppin. As others have noted, airfares are high still and reports of violence are keeping a lot of tourists away from Rio. At the same time there are girls on photoacompanhantes who might accept BRL 250-300 from local BR customers refusing to come visit Copacabana for BRL 400. Put in context that my personal trainer makes BRL 100 per hour. A chick won't spend 2 hrs on public transport from Nova Iguazu to Copa to hang out on the deck, drink, and fuck for 2+ hours to get BRL 400. Lazy?

Hope to hit the Dark Side later this week.

(*The recent strength of the BRL vs USD has puzzled me, as it strengthened quickly from ~3.30 about a month or so ago to as low as ~3.12 recently. The BCB keeps saying that the crisis is showing signs of being over, but I don't see it in the day to day. I guess the markets feel BR is getting its house in order with Lula's conviction? Meanwhile the dollar is still super strong against the Euro from what I can see (~1.16) making the BRL's strength even more annoying).
-Cartman.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2070713]If Ivan and the fat controller in Monte Carlo (good cop / bad cop) want to attract people again make it free to get in or charge a small fee towards consumacao.

Charging nearly 100 reais to get in excludes many and is totally unrealistic,especially considering the very lazy recruitment of girls going on.

I could see it closing by 2018 if it carries on in this vein.

Solarium seems to fare slightly better allthough more expensive and out of curiosity, how is Centaurus getting along?.

If we are on the tier 1 analysis,4 x 4 wasnt bad-Cancun lacked talent as usual and T65 shouldn't have bothered reopening.

Playground already shut (tier 1/ tier 2) again and Cafe Romance there isn't enough feedback on so can't be that great.

Back to the gutter again for me.[/QUOTE]T65 and Cancun are waste of time, there are always less girls, I haven't been to Cancun for few week I went there Monday with Beenbob, 4 by 4 is my best terma, more talents, more different girls, very easy to get my dick hard, the girls seem to be more motivated unlike Cancun, the girls are more free they can do what they want ex grab your dick, There are more girls, You can change from terma to whiskeria without having to pay entrance, in cancun the girls are not allowed to grab your dick, every time I go to Cancun, I never fuck, I went many times I only fuck three girls, the girls are unmotivated and tired, the waiters are lazy, Cancun is more for old guys looking for conversation, the girls seem to have no patience, it is as if they prefer the old guys over the young guys so that they can have a lazy fuck. I am not in the terma for conversation or girlfriend experience, I am in the terma because I want the girls to turn me on, I find the girls in 4 by 4 more patient and motivate, I feel more comfortable in 4 by 4.

The only thing that's good in Cancun, the simple rooms are a bit bigger than the simple rooms in 4 by 4 but not the rooms next to smoking area restaurant. The simple rooms that are next to the smoking area are bigger than the simple rooms in Cancun.

I have never been interested in terma in zona sul. The rooms are very small.

T65 I don't need to talk, just try once and never came back again.

Mv30 always dick fest and only ugly girls and fat belly girls. The bar smells [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] because of the toilet, impossible to go to toilet everybody smokes there.

502 is good, but it depends on the day, sometimes it is empty sometimes it is full.

In Solarium, better they don't charge entrance for people that session with a girl.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2070833]The reason Terma owners in Rio keep tweaking prices upwards is because this is the general Carioca response to a crisis.

If they get fewer customers theyll squeeze them to make up the lost profit.

Ask any Brazilian there. Short-termism at its finest. Anything to avoid returning money or discounting.

The ones who are trying to be pro-active are the independents offering more girls for less etc and like the ones i met at Mabs offering me 1.5-2 hours for 150.

Increasing the entry fee towards consumacao is ok but only if you ACTUALLY plan on drinking quite a bit or buying drinks for the garotas etc

Once at MC a girl I picked went to the bathroom for 15 minutes (I shit you not) and I terminated and wanted money back. They fought me tooth and nail offering me free entrance next time despite me spending many many thousands there up till this event.

Only one of the tier 2/3 termas lowered their 1 hour price from 200 to 180 (T3) -everyone else just keeps tweaking it a bit hoping no one will notice! Loool.

Safados.

I don't think termas have a future in Rio beyond the ones who have a following-a good local clientele as well as suplementing with some gringoes (4 x 4 etc) Solarium cause its for rich cariocas who like white girls but can't be bothered going to SP and the lower tier spots with a crowd (MV30 etc) wholl always get some and the rent there isn't alot as its the dark side of Vargas.

Just my 2 centavos.

It seems that in SP its more business as usual in the big termas???? is it because more business men flow through SP-business center of BR etc?[/QUOTE]Most of the owners of brothels are not business savvy, their focus is plain and simple to increase profits and are no doubt confused when they do not. Their mindset is as f..ked up as the p..sies they peddle.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2070902]Anyway, let's get this thread back to actionable info about finding girls for paid sex in Rio. Deal?[/QUOTE]Excellent suggestion or someone who actually knows Brazilians, the Brazilian Economy and Foreign Exchange is going to have to stop the car and take their shoe off.

Now, let's have some [B]FACTUAL[/B] firsthand reports.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2070878]Yeah I never understand Brazilians, If something does not sell or demand is weak, they will raise the price? Its kinda like Google comes out with a product called Google Glass and they sell it for $1,000 at launch and it does not sell, so how does raising the price? Going to help? But again it's the reason Brazil is a 3rd world country.[/QUOTE]Truth be told, Brazilians look at us like we are crazy when we tell them that we lower prices when an item is not selling. They think we are absolutely crazy for using that model. Makes no sense to them. LOL!!

It is also done in the USA. When you have operating costs, overhead, etc that are independent of the cost of goods sold, the fewer items you sell, the larger mark up you need on each item in order to cover the fixed costs. When you see items advertised as being marked down "because they are not selling" you should take that explanation with a grain of salt, it might mean they are just taking a cut in profits from an original cost that was inflated. US sellers may also have easier credit than sellers in Brazil which allow them more freedom, such as selling at a loss in order to make monthly payments on loans, in hopes business will pick up later and allow them to recoup losses.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2071045]Truth be told, Brazilians look at us like we are crazy when we tell them that we lower prices when an item is not selling. They think we are absolutely crazy for using that model. Makes no sense to them. LOL!![/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2070648]I think it was 90 BRL back in June. If you really need to know the exact price give them a call or send an email.[/QUOTE]Ok, thanks. Ill be down in 9 days. I have not been to MC in about 4 years.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2070528]The dollar vs Real was bad area 2011 I think. But I think you failed to understand the point that I was making. Brazillian will update prices while comparing with P4P cost in the global market with the global market. For instance, I just bought Samsung Galaxy 8+ in UK for 800 British Pounds and you can purchase it for US $1100 in the USA. It will cost you 3300 Reals in Brazil. The Brazilian p4 p owners are smart enough to update their prices while comparing with the cost and level of sex service in Germany, France, Ukraine etc. Wake up man. They are not stupid anymore. Welcome to Globalization.[/QUOTE]Prices are good righr now. Its 3 to 1. If it gets to 4 to 1 it will be even better.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2070757]I still say it is a ridiculous "theory". In 2015 and 2016 when the dollar gained against the euro, did all the FKK owners in Germany start increasing their prices? No fuck shop in country A decides their prices on what is going on in countries B through Z. You guys act like these places are giant corporations. It is a hoarhouse with 30 chicks working there where a guy can go get his rocks off for 40 minutes.

Talk about overthinking. Will someone that has boots on the ground just go ask these guys why they are moving the prices up instead of giving into all the economic theory of hoarhouses stuff.[/QUOTE]Large, industrialized economies like the U.S. Europe and Japan are not going to have local prices react to short-term currency swings. The impact of currency rates on local economy activity is negligible in the short run in these countries. However in Latin America, Southeast Asia, etc. Not only is the impact of currency felt on local prices quickly, the locals are very well aware of it at street level. Your wealthy Brazilians and many of your middle class Brazilians have offshore accounts in euros and dollars. Your average American, German or Japanese is not paying as much attention to the currency rates because it is unlikely to affect them.

Since prices and currencies are forever dynamic, it's not a quid pro quo relationship. I noticed someone said real estate prices were now falling. I earlier said Real devaluations cause local real estate prices to go up. This is the immediate effect of a large devaluation on a property, say a condo overlooking Ipanema Beach. That same condo can soon have price pressures because of local conditions. Both local price directions can be correct within the same year.

In the late 2000's, locals would have been attacking us on this board for such thoughts. They would argue that the Brazilian economy and currency were unstoppable. Brazil didn't depend on American or European investment or trade anymore. They didn't need us in their pussy markets. Then the global economy popped. Then the China bubble popped. And here we are with a shitty Brazilian economy.

A few girls at Solarium telling me they used to work at MC but moved (back) to Solarium because MC is weak right now. Solarium not that hoppin at 10 pm on a Friday but Friday is more of a family night anyway. 4 x4 surprisingly lacking in girls on a Friday night as well.

40 minutes all-in cash price at Solarium is now BRL 505, including girl / room / entrada.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2071256]A few girls at Solarium telling me they used to work at MC but moved (back) to Solarium because MC is weak right now. Solarium not that hoppin at 10 pm on a Friday but Friday is more of a family night anyway. 4 x4 surprisingly lacking in girls on a Friday night as well.

40 minutes all-in cash price at Solarium is now BRL 505, including girl / room / entrada.[/QUOTE]A GDP ideally likes to work Tuesday to Thursday so they can go out and party Friday and Saturday and spend Sunday with their family / kids etc then sleep that whole sequence off Monday cause they ate too much and drank too many cervejas and Caipirinhas

The more ambitious ones work Monday as well and a bit of Friday but will try and leave early on a friday (before 7-8pm) so they can get home (1+ hours each way or the forward-thinking ones brought change of clothes to work) and change to go out.(I saw 5 GDPs I recognized at Barra Music)

The odd ones carry on after the terma at VM, Mosaico, private clients, Mabs etc.

The desperate work on a saturday (zona sul termas,couple centro trash boates,VM,Mosaico,independents).

The starving ones work on a sunday(VM,independents if theyre bribed right!.

This is not taking rain into consideration.

If it rains that's a wrap for many who stay indoors despite uber etc.

This is so that their hair doesnt get messed up!

DISCLAIMER! This post is not set in stone but based on my headshaking observations/experiences over 22 trips in 4.5 years with a smile! abracos

[QUOTE=Bravo;2071045]Truth be told, Brazilians look at us like we are crazy when we tell them that we lower prices when an item is not selling. They think we are absolutely crazy for using that model. Makes no sense to them. LOL!![/QUOTE]How is that crazy? That is just basic business 101, or you can even say Common Sense? If you sell a car for $50,000 and people are hardly buying it and demand is weak, What makes you think raising the price to $60,000 going to help you? Basic Business 101 is you drop the price to spark demand and more customers will be interested if they see a deal.

Lets say you run a online store name [URL]Jet.com[/URL], and your competing against [URL]amazon.com[/URL]. Lets just say both [URL]jet.com[/URL] and [URL]amazon.com[/URL] are losing money? Which Business Strategy Will Work? You own [URL]Jet.com[/URL] and your losing money and you raise the price on your items? And then [URL]amazon.com[/URL] is also losing money but they lower there prices? Lets say a 1 Year goes by. Who do you think is going to make more money? My money is [URL]amazon.com[/URL] will make way more money because they will attract way more customers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2070757]What are you talking about man? Samsung Galaxy? That has nothing to do with comparing costs or currency changes. Sure there can be an amount of price discrimination over different markets, but for the most part that has to do with import taxes.

I still say it is a ridiculous "theory". In 2015 and 2016 when the dollar gained against the euro, did all the FKK owners in Germany start increasing their prices? No fuck shop in country A decides their prices on what is going on in countries B through Z. You guys act like these places are giant corporations. It is a hoarhouse with 30 chicks working there where a guy can go get his rocks off for 40 minutes.

Talk about overthinking. Will someone that has boots on the ground just go ask these guys why they are moving the prices up instead of giving into all the economic theory of hoarhouses stuff.[/QUOTE]Funny. I am best friends with currency exchange owner in London plus I have spent a long time in Brazil. Trust me what I am saying is true. I sit down in currency exchange people. What I said earlier about Brazil is true.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2071829]Funny. I am best friends with currency exchange owner in London plus I have spent a long time in Brazil. Trust me what I am saying is true. I sit down in currency exchange people. What I said earlier about Brazil is true.[/QUOTE]Just because you sell dogs or maybe even breed them, does not mean you are a veterinarian.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2070883]I have been doing my RTFF research for my upcoming first trip to RJ. Please correct me if I am wrong, but it appears that most of the termas and prives / massagems are closed on Sundays. I saw a reference on this thread to Solarium being open on Sundays, but their website says that it is not open on Sundays.

As a first-time visitor to RJ who speaks no Portuguese, I plan to focus on termas, prives, and massagems. Given the circumstances, I am hesitant to pursue independent GDPs in person and online, and I wonder if Vila Mimosa would be a good fit for me even if I did have prior RJ experience and spoke Portuguese, given what I have read about it here. A Sunday will also be my second day in town, so I will not have had much time to collect phone numbers from termas or prive GDPs by that very early point in my trip.

So where do you go on Sundays? I did a search and it seems like Vila Mimosa, Mabs, and Barbarella's are popular options for Sundays. Do you have any other suggestions for a first-time visitor with no Portuguese? Are there any termas, prives, or massagens open on Sundays that I may have missed?[/QUOTE]Sunday options are VM, Mabs and clipjoint Barbarella and when you get into Rio, independents, escorts, semis and non P.S. I wouldn't recommend VM for you but if you do go don't talk too much, play it cool, low-key-no big phone, watches, flashing money or being extra gringo. Go and inspect girls, be friendly nd if you like one learn 60,65 for 30 minutes in portugues or 120,130 for 60 minutes. No more. Good luck like Taken 4.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2072183]Sunday options are VM, Mabs and clipjoint Barbarella and when you get into Rio, independents, escorts, semis and non P.S. I wouldn't recommend VM for you but if you do go don't talk too much, play it cool, low-key-no big phone, watches, flashing money or being extra gringo. Go and inspect girls, be friendly nd if you like one learn 60,65 for 30 minutes in portugues or 120,130 for 60 minutes. No more. Good luck like Taken 4.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your feedback. I was worried that my inquiry would get lost in the economics discussion.

What about Mosaico? I did some more digging and it appears that Mosaico is open on Sunday nights as well. I saw that on most nights the action at Mosaico does not begin in earnest until after midnight, when the termas girls go there after the termas close on their way home to Zona Norte. After midnight is a bit late for me, so I was wondering if the action starts any earlier on Sunday nights, since the girls would presumably be going there directly and not from the closing termas.

The Mosaico business model was a bit unclear to me. Correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like the girls are there independently, albeit with standard rates for sessions in the on-site rooms (150/30, 200/60). Are those rates official and fixed (I. E. Set in stone or listed on paper somewhere), or are they just typical or normal and thus subject to negotiation? As a first-time visitor to RJ with no Portuguese language skills, I was hesitant to go with independents because of the need to host and negotiate with them and the risk of a rate dispute or a scam, but if there are fixed rates for sessions in on-site rooms at Mosaico, I would be more comfortable with that.

I was in Brazil the last five weeks for work and in and out of Rio on several occasions for short stays. Another great time in this beautiful city with so many beautiful women. This is certainly not news to some, but it may be helpful as there seems to be a lot of chatter about having to work hard and put in time and legwork to find the gems in Rio. Since I'm there for work and have limited mongering time, my interest is in putting in as little time and effort as possible. So for whatever it's worth, in recent years I've found that some of the better information, or at least the information I want, is to be found on the local forums. While some of the information is outdated and though there is some overlap, there are more than enough very useful details. I found gpguia, hotforum, and gparena to be rather out of date and so-so this year while forumx was very good.

If you're looking for where to get the best fish in town, whether to get around with taxis, uber, metro, or buses, how the Brazilian economy is affecting the P4 P scene, where to stay, what clothes to wear, what music to play, etc. , then this is your place as it can be useful for those who need help with that kind of information. If you want to cut to the chase and just read detailed reviews of prive girls, freelancers, and termas, you may want to check the local forums. They provide you with names, locations, numbers, websites, etc. And you don't have to wade through the chit chat. Simple common sense then leads you to look for foristas with multiple posts, girls who have multiple positive reviews, and of course reviews that describe the kind of girl and experience you're looking for. They've done most of the legwork for you, most reviews are pretty detailed, and you can usually find a picture of the girl. If this is kind of strategy works for you, and of course if you have some Portuguese, it's sort of a no-brainer, kind of served up on a silver platter.

This year, I had a good "to do" list, with all the details needed, in hand before arriving. I had limited time in Rio, but just enough for 9 sessions with 7 different girls, 6 of which I found on forumx reviews of prives and freelancers. The only non-review girl I went with was at Monte Carlo at 7:30 PM last Saturday night when it was filled with about 25 of the most gorgeous women I've ever seen. In the few times I've been there, maybe eight times, I've always had a fantastic time. I know everyone's tastes are different and that things vary from week to week or even day to day, but the beauty in that room on that night was insane, almost painful. Amazing GFE.

Personality and performance are my top criteria, and that's where the reviews can be very helpful in this otherwise unpredictable game. I found all the reviews of the 6 girls to be spot on, and every one provided top notch GFE. All Portuguese speaking only. In the looks department, it was a nice variety of morenas, loiras, spinners, and full figured gals. I did the minimum amount of research and legwork to look for, and then get, exactly what I wanted. I imagine that there may be other useful local forums that others may want to share. Reading some hot reviews and then seeing a picture of the girl, then dreaming about fucking her, then arriving in Rio and actually fucking her and having a great time is pretty damn awesome.

[QUOTE=Viajero11;2072338]I was in Brazil the last five weeks for work and in and out of Rio on several occasions for short stays. Another great time in this beautiful city with so many beautiful women. This is certainly not news to some, but it may be helpful as there seems to be a lot of chatter about having to work hard and put in time and legwork to find the gems in Rio. Since I'm there for work and have limited mongering time, my interest is in putting in as little time and effort as possible. So for whatever it's worth, in recent years I've found that some of the better information, or at least the information I want, is to be found on the local forums. While some of the information is outdated and though there is some overlap, there are more than enough very useful details. I found gpguia, hotforum, and gparena to be rather out of date and so-so this year while forumx was very good.

If you're looking for where to get the best fish in town, whether to get around with taxis, uber, metro, or buses, how the Brazilian economy is affecting the P4 P scene, where to stay, what clothes to wear, what music to play, etc. , then this is your place as it can be useful for those who need help with that kind of information. If you want to cut to the chase and just read detailed reviews of prive girls, freelancers, and termas, you may want to check the local forums. They provide you with names, locations, numbers, websites, etc. And you don't have to wade through the chit chat. Simple common sense then leads you to look for foristas with multiple posts, girls who have multiple positive reviews, and of course reviews that describe the kind of girl and experience you're looking for. They've done most of the legwork for you, most reviews are pretty detailed, and you can usually find a picture of the girl. If this is kind of strategy works for you, and of course if you have some Portuguese, it's sort of a no-brainer, kind of served up on a silver platter.

This year, I had a good "to do" list, with all the details needed, in hand before arriving. I had limited time in Rio, but just enough for 9 sessions with 7 different girls, 6 of which I found on forumx reviews of prives and freelancers. The only non-review girl I went with was at Monte Carlo at 7:30 PM last Saturday night when it was filled with about 25 of the most gorgeous women I've ever seen. In the few times I've been there, maybe eight times, I've always had a fantastic time. I know everyone's tastes are different and that things vary from week to week or even day to day, but the beauty in that room on that night was insane, almost painful. Amazing GFE.

Personality and performance are my top criteria, and that's where the reviews can be very helpful in this otherwise unpredictable game. I found all the reviews of the 6 girls to be spot on, and every one provided top notch GFE. All Portuguese speaking only. In the looks department, it was a nice variety of morenas, loiras, spinners, and full figured gals. I did the minimum amount of research and legwork to look for, and then get, exactly what I wanted. I imagine that there may be other useful local forums that others may want to share. Reading some hot reviews and then seeing a picture of the girl, then dreaming about fucking her, then arriving in Rio and actually fucking her and having a great time is pretty damn awesome.[/QUOTE]I don't understand why guys are talking about legwork. Majority of the spots in Centro are within walking distance of each other.

The local forums are the way to go for up to date info.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2070757]What are you talking about man? Samsung Galaxy? That has nothing to do with comparing costs or currency changes. Sure there can be an amount of price discrimination over different markets, but for the most part that has to do with import taxes.

I still say it is a ridiculous "theory". In 2015 and 2016 when the dollar gained against the euro, did all the FKK owners in Germany start increasing their prices? No fuck shop in country A decides their prices on what is going on in countries B through Z. You guys act like these places are giant corporations. It is a hoarhouse with 30 chicks working there where a guy can go get his rocks off for 40 minutes.

Talk about overthinking. Will someone that has boots on the ground just go ask these guys why they are moving the prices up instead of giving into all the economic theory of hoarhouses stuff.[/QUOTE]There is a difference between a German mentality and Portuguese mentality. I have few relatives live in Hamburg. You took it the wrong way. What I was trying to say that Brazilian P4P owners are smart now and the tag prices while comparing to the global sex industry. No need to be emotional here.

[QUOTE=Viajero11;2072338]If you want to cut to the chase and just read detailed reviews of prive girls, freelancers, and termas, you may want to check the local forums. They provide you with names, locations, numbers, websites, etc. And you don't have to wade through the chit chat. Simple common sense then leads you to look for foristas with multiple posts, girls who have multiple positive reviews, and of course reviews that describe the kind of girl and experience you're looking for. They've done most of the legwork for you, most reviews are pretty detailed, and you can usually find a picture of the girl. If this is kind of strategy works for you, and of course if you have some Portuguese, it's sort of a no-brainer, kind of served up on a silver platter.[/QUOTE]
Amen! Very right.
If you want useful information like addresses, performance details etc the local forums (gpguia etc) are the only options. Sometimes there can be some useful information in this forum, but you have to scroll by all the posts by the posters who just want to show off their talents in the virtual world and all the desk-mongers posting about the past. However the real gems, the 10-point newbie gems you'll find when you do your legwork. Knock on lots of doors. The gems not reported yet in the local forums. The real gems might stay in a cheap puteiro just a couple of weeks before they disappears to some unknown destiny.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2072388]Amen! Very right.
If you want useful information like addresses, performance details etc the local forums (gpguia etc) are the only options. Sometimes there can be some useful information in this forum, but you have to scroll by all the posts by the posters who just want to show off their talents in the virtual world and all the desk-mongers posting about the past. However the real gems, the 10-point newbie gems you'll find when you do your legwork. Knock on lots of doors. The gems not reported yet in the local forums. The real gems might stay in a cheap puteiro just a couple of weeks before they disappears to some unknown destiny.[/QUOTE]Of course, the local sex forums in Portuguese have more up to date information on addresses, looks, performance, etc. That's about true in every country vis--vis the ISG. Gpguia with the multitude of local mongers is categorized along the lines of termas, escorts and clinicas with details on girls by name. Gpguia also has its share of conversational elements, but again it's categorized that way.

ISG has always been a conversational home for sexual tourists who might drop into a city infrequently. It's particularly helpful for me when I drop into a new city. The information on where to stay, where to hang out, where to eat, currency matters might seem inane to some seasoned pros, but I have always found them helpful. It's always great to hear about a recommended girl, but I have had volumes of female contacts and recommendations over the years that move on abruptly or don't return calls / texts.

Guys like AltoBomGosto on the ISG Sao Paulo board, while they might have a business interest, provide an invaluable service on up to the minute info on the clinica girls. Over the years when Rio was a hotbed for sex tourism, there were several guys posting on Rio here and elsewhere that they would find you a great apartment, take you around Rio and even introduce you to hotties of which they sometimes published photos. For myself, I didn't need that kind of hand-holding, but you could see deer in the head lights (blood rushing to penis) guys just getting off the plane who needed this kind of help.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2070055]The P4P market had not been the same and the attitude of the girls changed due to increased level of competition and lower income. Nearly, all the escort service agencies, Help Disco, few Termas, Balcony bar and other left over options have shut down permanently for the past few years.[/QUOTE]Interesting comment and the changes in girl's attitudes actually understandable. While us long-time Rio visitors think about the changes in Rio's sex scene in the last ten years from our own perspective, think about it from the perspective of a garota de programa.

The various expired venues where programa girls met foreign men in an informal, party environment was beneficial for both sides. The girls could go have a good time, interact with men who were willing to pay for their services and the allusion of a long-term relationship could be maintained. Just as the men could choose girls, the girls also had a choice in the matter. A fairly attractive girl could be selective and wasn't required by a termas, clinica or agency owner to service every fat, slob client in a small box of a room. A nice, decent monger might buy her drinks, dance with her, take her home to a large apartment and even take her out for lunch the next day (and perhaps beyond). As far as money, I saw the fairly attractive, cute girls I knew make a connection six maybe seven days a week (absolutely no problem) pulling in $400-500 plus a week in a country where $250 a month was a common wage for a six day-eight hour plus week. The stunning beauties had far more options and income.

This is the Rio we all lost when the local government decided enough was enough for Rio as a playground for sex tourists.

Sidebar: I would hook-up with a bombshell I met at Help twice a year for several years. Every time I would call her to say I was coming to Rio, she would say "Let's meet at Help Tuesday night (or whatever night) I will wait for you near the bathrooms". Every time, she would be there waiting. I figured this was because she knew if I was a no-show all would not be lost. However over time, I noticed she liked me to buy her a Blue Jeans (energy drink) without vodka and she would want to dance for a few hours before leaving. Both the good time and the allusion were intact.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2071256] ... 40 minutes all-in cash price at Solarium is now BRL 505, including girl / room / entrada.[/QUOTE]It's been 505 BRL for months. That's not new. I called them back in May and they told me the current rate was 505.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2072706]Interesting comment and the changes in girl's attitudes actually understandable. While us long-time Rio visitors think about the changes in Rio's sex scene in the last ten years from our own perspective, think about it from the perspective of a garota de programa.

The various expired venues where programa girls met foreign men in an informal, party environment was beneficial for both sides. The girls could go have a good time, interact with men who were willing to pay for their services and the allusion of a long-term relationship could be maintained. Just as the men could choose girls, the girls also had a choice in the matter. A fairly attractive girl could be selective and wasn't required by a termas, clinica or agency owner to service every fat, slob client in a small box of a room. A nice, decent monger might buy her drinks, dance with her, take her home to a large apartment and even take her out for lunch the next day (and perhaps beyond). As far as money, I saw the fairly attractive, cute girls I knew make a connection six maybe seven days a week (absolutely no problem) pulling in $400-500 plus a week in a country where $250 a month was a common wage for a six day-eight hour plus week. The stunning beauties had far more options and income.

This is the Rio we all lost when the local government decided enough was enough for Rio as a playground for sex tourists.

Sidebar: I would hook-up with a bombshell I met at Help twice a year for several years. Every time I would call her to say I was coming to Rio, she would say "Let's meet at Help Tuesday night (or whatever night) I will wait for you near the bathrooms". Every time, she would be there waiting. I figured this was because she knew if I was a no-show all would not be lost. However over time, I noticed she liked me to buy her a Blue Jeans (energy drink) without vodka and she would want to dance for a few hours before leaving. Both the good time and the allusion were intact.[/QUOTE]I agree that terma locations are shrinking but I disagree performances and attitude is affected.

Personally in July I had 3 fantastic chicks at T31-super cool girls-charming, sexy and great in the room.

Had 2 ex VM and T31 over to the crib-great vibe / sex. As good as in the past.

Trash terma 210 another great light skin big booty negra and in Bilac 13 great morena both CIM and fun, great fucks.

Mabs threw up a lovely negra from Rochina-sweet girl and great fuck w cim-150 reais...

You have to look a little harder but as usual when you feel the chemistry, you are pretty much guaranteed a good session.

That hasnt changed in Rio imho.

Abracos.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2072762]It's been 505 BRL for months. That's not new. I called them back in May and they told me the current rate was 505.[/QUOTE]Still a rip-off then!

After 4 years in Rio I want at least 2 hours for max half that amount of money.

We put in the time so that should always reduce the outlay.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2072779]You have to look a little harder but as usual when you feel the chemistry, you are pretty much guaranteed a good session. That hasnt changed in Rio imho[/QUOTE]When there's chemistry, why aren't more guys inviting the terma and clinica girls back to their apartments on their off time? It's easy to make it more lucrative than their time at the terma or clinica. Many of the terma girls are young and unattached. 4 x4 girls are great because they have weekends off. Yes, I am very well of no shows, but I have had more success than failures.

Me thinks, most foreign mongers are lazy, don't learn a lick of Portuguese and think knocking on the door of a clinica is hard work. A little charm, a little Portuguese and a little money go a long way.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2072791]When there's chemistry, why aren't more guys inviting the terma and clinica girls back to their apartments on their off time? It's easy to make it more lucrative than their time at the terma or clinica. Many of the terma girls are young and unattached. 4 x4 girls are great because they have weekends off. Yes, I am very well of no shows, but I have had more success than failures.

Me thinks, most foreign mongers are lazy, don't learn a lick of Portuguese and think knocking on the door of a clinica is hard work. A little charm, a little Portuguese and a little money go a long way.[/QUOTE]My experience has been thatthe terma girls want the same rate in your apartment that you would pay fro 1 hour in the terma. Kinda defeats the purpose of having them over if I have to pay the same amount. I might ask some of the prive / massage girls over and see what they say in terms of time and money on my next trip.

Boite La Cicciolina, is down for the count and more than likely won't get up for the count. Due to debts piling up, the economic crisis, low customer turnout and a lack of "dancers", it looks like they will be closing their doors permanently.

[URL]https://extra.globo.com/noticias/rio/la-cicciolina-um-dos-principais-inferninhos-de-copacabana-pode-fechar-21704747.html[/URL]

Frankly I'm surprised they lasted this long. But in such dire economic conditions in Brazil, I guess no one is immune from the reaper. Who's Next?

La Cicciolina R.I.P

[QUOTE=Spidy;2072852]Boite La Cicciolina, is down for the count and more than likely won't get up for the count. Due to debts piling up, the economic crisis, low customer turnout and a lack of "dancers", it looks like they will be closing their doors permanently.

[URL]https://extra.globo.com/noticias/rio/la-cicciolina-um-dos-principais-inferninhos-de-copacabana-pode-fechar-21704747.html[/URL]

Frankly I'm surprised they lasted this long. But in such dire economic conditions in Brazil, I guess no one is immune from the reaper. Who's Next?

La Cicciolina R.I.P[/QUOTE]The gringo fanbase eroding as they avoid violence-ridden Rio!

Monte Carlo I think is next to go and places like Barbarellas are in danger my friend told me who knows the manager- couple of Centaurus girls ive known for years told me its never been weaker there and they are doing more online.
Make of that what you will.
Things evolve as a result of many factors(poverty,crime) but Rio is defintely on the way out. The more integrated punter (portugues speaking, knowing brazilian culture, scouring forumxs etc will always be ok in Rio.
Centro is one big knock-shop literally and more clinicas and more trash spots will appear to please a broke fanbase as they are easy to set up and close down.
I cant see my beloved tier2/3 spots dissapearing as they are very cheap but with the new evangelical mayor in Rio and economic crisis,it could be a wrap soon....
Lets be real-many just visit Rio for the sexo and then cram the sights in on a sunday!lol
So if Rio loses its pay 4 sex-appeal,maybe SP will win even more.
Im happy i learnt portugues and always pursued non pros because even more non-pros will become the new semi-pros like in Dominican Republic where most girls except from upper class can be "persuaded"..its a logical result of the crisis.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2072926]The gringo fanbase eroding as they avoid violence-ridden Rio!

Monte Carlo I think is next to go and places like Barbarellas are in danger my friend told me who knows the manager- couple of Centaurus girls ive known for years told me its never been weaker there and they are doing more online.
Make of that what you will.
Things evolve as a result of many factors(poverty,crime) but Rio is defintely on the way out. The more integrated punter (portugues speaking, knowing brazilian culture, scouring forumxs etc will always be ok in Rio.
Centro is one big knock-shop literally and more clinicas and more trash spots will appear to please a broke fanbase as they are easy to set up and close down.
I cant see my beloved tier2/3 spots dissapearing as they are very cheap but with the new evangelical mayor in Rio and economic crisis,it could be a wrap soon....
Lets be real-many just visit Rio for the sexo and then cram the sights in on a sunday!lol
So if Rio loses its pay 4 sex-appeal,maybe SP will win even more.
Im happy i learnt portugues and always pursued non pros because even more non-pros will become the new semi-pros like in Dominican Republic where most girls except from upper class can be "persuaded"..its a logical result of the crisis.[/QUOTE]I have been going to Rio for about 15 years and have learned to speak portuguese.

IMHO, the pro scene has never been weaker than it is now, but on the other hand my access to non-pros have never been better thanks to a number of brazilian friends.

Fewer tourists and a significant drop in demand from locals have made many businesses unsustainable and I am sure more closures lie ahead.

Have been to Brazil 2 times.

Rio and SP.

RIO thermas my favorite and had a good time at MC and Solarium (hated Centauraus). Mostly MC fan.

This time I have Saturday to Saturday time 7-8 days.

I am planning to spend 2-3 days in Rio. Between MC /4 x4. Have never been to 4 x4. Is it worth it. I like more of the slim big tops, fairer skinned girls. (what is the working hours here and any cost info / breakups).

(yes, I read the Forum. And I have a collected tips as much as possible. ISG is a treasure).

I am considering 1-2 days in Porto Alegro and 1-2 days in SP.

Is this plan too much. Any guidance.

I aways stay at Rio Othon next door to MC. I am in touch with some Barberralla girls from the past and they suggested to go to a "Love Motel" for 3 some feast.

I have not booked any hotels / local flights yet.

Which hotel in Rio will you recommend if I want to cover good thermas. (not a big fan of massage places. But will love some recommendations).

Or should I get to copa aparments. I do want to bring some one back to the room but always worried for personal safety in an apartment.

Should I even tire myself going to SP and POA? Any words of wisdom.

POA I heard has more Caucasian looking girls. What are good mongering spots there?

SP. I have used ABG in the past and that is a safe bet for me for short window time. And I am well covered as I also have some numbers.

Any guidance from the senior folks?

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2072926]So if Rio loses its pay 4 sex-appeal,maybe SP will win even more.
Im happy i learnt portugues and always pursued non pros because even more non-pros will become the new semi-pros like in Dominican Republic where most girls except from upper class can be "persuaded"..its a logical result of the crisis.[/QUOTE]Scandallo in SP has some sweetheart, quasi-pros who drop in periodically from the other states. I'm sure many of them make their money and head back home staying under the radar. The prices are still a bit high, but that's where charm and language enters into it. I gladly pay those rates and then some if I can make a girl comfortable and get her to hang out. There is also far less stigma being seen with an older gringo in SP.

Before the economy took off in the mid-2000's, there were articles in Brazil lamenting the phenomenon of middle class girls going to nightclubs where they could secretly make a few bucks. There are clubs in every city where under the radar programa girls are known to hang out, but they mix in with girls who are there just to socialize, dance, etc. You have to deal with some rejection to find that girl who can be "persuaded".

I admire the guys who have the patience to work social media to find dates.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2073031]Scandallo in SP has some sweetheart, quasi-pros who drop in periodically from the other states. I'm sure many of them make their money and head back home staying under the radar. The prices are still a bit high, but that's where charm and language enters into it. I gladly pay those rates and then some if I can make a girl comfortable and get her to hang out. There is also far less stigma being seen with an older gringo in SP.

Before the economy took off in the mid-2000's, there were articles in Brazil lamenting the phenomenon of middle class girls going to nightclubs where they could secretly make a few bucks. There are clubs in every city where under the radar programa girls are known to hang out, but they mix in with girls who are there just to socialize, dance, etc. You have to deal with some rejection to find that girl who can be "persuaded".

I admire the guys who have the patience to work social media to find dates.[/QUOTE]Good stuff re SP. I will go at some point.

Yeah social media is my go to place for non-pros. Brazil is one of the easiest places to meet non pros especially if you speak portu. I can go to Rio and just date non pros off cupid with no p4 p but its alwasy fun to dip in the dark waters.

[QUOTE=Junior;2072992]I have been going to Rio for about 15 years and have learned to speak portuguese.

IMHO, the pro scene has never been weaker than it is now, but on the other hand my access to non-pros have never been better thanks to a number of brazilian friends.

Fewer tourists and a significant drop in demand from locals have made many businesses unsustainable and I am sure more closures lie ahead.[/QUOTE]God point Junior and I agree. In the 4. 5 years I've been comin the transformation I've been through in terms of non-pros has risen with language and cultural knowledge.

So if Rio goes down the drain p4 p wise well be allright.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2072805]My experience has been thatthe terma girls want the same rate in your apartment that you would pay fro 1 hour in the terma. Kinda defeats the purpose of having them over if I have to pay the same amount. I might ask some of the prive / massage girls over and see what they say in terms of time and money on my next trip.[/QUOTE]You absolutely should ask them back and no need to pay what the termas charge.

You shouldn't be clockwatching in the crib eityher-if they dig you and the chemistry is there.

I would never bring a girl to the crib to do the terma 60 min clock watch. Gtfooh!

Trick is you have to treat them well so they like you at work.

Secondly don't forget that in termas they don't earn what you pay, they earn that minus what terma takes in comission so half maybe.

Minus room, entrada and sometimes a weekly fee to maintain spot (allthough maybe this practise is fading in line with economy).

[QUOTE=MRusa007;2073014]Have been to Brazil 2 times.

Rio and SP.

RIO thermas my favorite and had a good time at MC and Solarium (hated Centauraus). Mostly MC fan.

This time I have Saturday to Saturday time 7-8 days.

I am planning to spend 2-3 days in Rio. Between MC /4 x4. Have never been to 4 x4. Is it worth it. I like more of the slim big tops, fairer skinned girls. (what is the working hours here and any cost info / breakups).

(yes, I read the Forum. And I have a collected tips as much as possible. ISG is a treasure).

I am considering 1-2 days in Porto Alegro and 1-2 days in SP.

Is this plan too much. Any guidance.

I aways stay at Rio Othon next door to MC. I am in touch with some Barberralla girls from the past and they suggested to go to a "Love Motel" for 3 some feast.

I have not booked any hotels / local flights yet.

Which hotel in Rio will you recommend if I want to cover good thermas. (not a big fan of massage places. But will love some recommendations).

Or should I get to copa aparments. I do want to bring some one back to the room but always worried for personal safety in an apartment.

Should I even tire myself going to SP and POA? Any words of wisdom.

POA I heard has more Caucasian looking girls. What are good mongering spots there?

SP. I have used ABG in the past and that is a safe bet for me for short window time. And I am well covered as I also have some numbers.

Any guidance from the senior folks?[/QUOTE]Why do you stay at Othon when it isn't GF and yet you want to bring girls back but feel uncomfortable in apartment?

Go to a GF hotel like Best Western, IBIS etc and make res for 2 and check girls in and out. If they arent overnighters you don't even need to check them in.

4 x 4 has most kinds of girls. Fcuk before 6 pm and 50 reais entrada is waived.

Price for 1 hour was like 380 I think last time?

Komo753? Corrections?

Seems SP is poppin for the fair skinned white girls so maybe you shd go to SP and Rio equally.

Rio fell off and MC too-however you sound like a Solarium type dude with the fair skinnned girls in the majority so maybe try that as well.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2073279]You absolutely should ask them back and no need to pay what the termas charge.

You shouldn't be clockwatching in the crib eityher-if they dig you and the chemistry is there.

I would never bring a girl to the crib to do the terma 60 min clock watch. Gtfooh!

Trick is you have to treat them well so they like you at work.

Secondly don't forget that in termas they don't earn what you pay, they earn that minus what terma takes in comission so half maybe.

Minus room, entrada and sometimes a weekly fee to maintain spot (allthough maybe this practise is fading in line with economy).[/QUOTE]They earn 230 reais per one hour session in 4 by 4.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2073280]Why do you stay at Othon when it isn't GF and yet you want to bring girls back but feel uncomfortable in apartment?

Go to a GF hotel like Best Western, IBIS etc and make res for 2 and check girls in and out. If they arent overnighters you don't even need to check them in.

4 x 4 has most kinds of girls. Fcuk before 6 pm and 50 reais entrada is waived.

Price for 1 hour was like 380 I think last time?

Komo753? Corrections?

Seems SP is poppin for the fair skinned white girls so maybe you shd go to SP and Rio equally.

Rio fell off and MC too-however you sound like a Solarium type dude with the fair skinnned girls in the majority so maybe try that as well.[/QUOTE]The price is 360 reais one hour, the 50 reais entrance is waived if you session before 6pm, 4 by 4 is way better than solarium, the room is bigger and the terma is bigger, solarium 110 reais entrance without consumption and over 500 reais just 40 minutes, better to keep the money for sao paulo, for that price I can have my girl all night in sao paulo, 4 by4 there are always new talents like yesterday I saw 4 skinny girls, 40 and something kilos, it is not common in Rio de Janeiro.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2073306]They earn 230 reais per one hour session in 4 by 4.[/QUOTE]So they shouldn't get paid more than 250 reais to me tops. Better yet find them in cheaper spots so theres even less financial reason not to come to apartment for less.

Key is portugues like at Mabs-as soon as you respond in fluent portugues in small talk they won't come with the big price tag.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2073280]Why do you stay at Othon when it isn't GF and yet you want to bring girls back but feel uncomfortable in apartment?

Go to a GF hotel like Best Western, IBIS etc and make res for 2 and check girls in and out. If they arent overnighters you don't even need to check them in.

4 x 4 has most kinds of girls. Fcuk before 6 pm and 50 reais entrada is waived.

Price for 1 hour was like 380 I think last time?

Komo753? Corrections?

Seems SP is poppin for the fair skinned white girls so maybe you shd go to SP and Rio equally.

Rio fell off and MC too-however you sound like a Solarium type dude with the fair skinnned girls in the majority so maybe try that as well.[/QUOTE]Thank you. Last time I stayed at Rio Othon and it was comfortable with MC being in next door. I did take 1 girl at around 2 am and no trouble. May be the guy didn't spot me. (from Barbarella). Hence I thought they were GF. Let me check on Bestwestern then. The apartments. I read in different forums, sometimes the door man can be a problem. The other thing is. When you get a girl to your apartment, will she give you other "headaches". Of security issues. But I like the idea though. My old girl from MC told me, stay in Rio Othon and then get a love motel for action only. But couldn't find many near copa.

My plan is.

Saturday MC / Solarium.

Sunday. Arranged my old girl via whatsapp.

Monday 4 x 4 during day time. (do they open at 11? If I went there in the morning. Do they have lunch / food etc.)- 380 in 4 x 4. Last time in MC I think it was 330 per hour. So maybe they also went up.

Wednesday. Fly out to either POA or to SP.

Hmm. My friendly MC is going down? Sad to hear that.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2073372]So they shouldn't get paid more than 250 reais to me tops. Better yet find them in cheaper spots so theres even less financial reason not to come to apartment for less.
Key is portugues like at Mabs-as soon as you respond in fluent portugues in small talk they won't come with the big price tag.[/QUOTE]Work on the game and tell them to come to your place, easy as pie for a terma girl. Fucked a few for free after sampling the good at the terma first. Only cost a fe wdrink, which I already had in the fridge.

Forget about Mabs. Mud ducks can be found there. Bottom of the barrel. And I speak Porto, plus American english, Spanish, Italian, and some Thai.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;2073014]POA I heard has more Caucasian looking girls. What are good mongering spots there?[/QUOTE]
For those who hasn't memorized the 4000 airport abbreviations of Brazil, POA is the airport of Porto Alegre...

Quick update;.

Hit a couple boates in Centro yesterday evening, not much to brag about really, found a regular at U24 who treats me very good, had a nice time with her.

Went back after dinner, place was over-packed, so I grabbed a taxi to VM.

The taxi driver was bitching about Uber guys all the way to VM, I acted ignorant. LOL.

VM was a little slow, but way more girls than guys.

Met one new mulata, 24 years old, thin, nice booty and a beautiful smile.

Interesting enough, we went up to go the room, and as discussed previously, they were nasty.

She said, for 10 R mais, we can grab the suite, and of course I said, com certeza!

It still wasn't anything elegant, but it was clean, big bed, new sheets, window AC, and a bathroom.

It was another floor up, I didn't know it existed, and she said rarely used cause the guys don't want to pay an extra 10 R.

Obviously well worth it.

Great time! Muito carinhosa.

By now I was a bit tired, drinking a Gatorade, chillin, about to leave when I see this girl pop out of a taxi and walk to one of the bars.

For the guys diggin the fair skin girls, she was sexy, thin, about 40-45 kg, but with a pretty nice booty for a magrinha.

We chat a bit, she only works when rent is due and she can't pay it.

Got a second wind and had another great time with her.

Room was a little shabby, not nasty though.

Got spoiled by the previous suite.

I'm more into the mulatas, but got her on the WhatsApp now for some fun at my pad.

Great girl.

Overall pretty good night.

Centro bars were slow, VM did me right.

P.S., caught my Uber home, near Mosaico, didn't go in, but saw some pretty good lookers hanging out on the outside area there.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2072805]My experience has been thatthe terma girls want the same rate in your apartment that you would pay fro 1 hour in the terma. Kinda defeats the purpose of having them over if I have to pay the same amount. I might ask some of the prive / massage girls over and see what they say in terms of time and money on my next trip.[/QUOTE]Only because your game is weak,. They can have the SAME price! The price for the Actual session, not including the room price. Figure the shit out.

I have had few girls come over from 4 x4. 1 girl fucked me for 100 reals including ass with 2 pops on a Saturday afternoon, and that for a short time 2 hours /2 pops. Another one fucked me all night for 150. In fact, the night I saw her at 4 x4, I was going with another girl. I told her I she came come to my place after work. AND she did come. She met me outside after 12.00, we went to eat in Centro. Had some Frango a Passarinho, fries and beer. Then I had everything, including her ass. And the next day in the afternoon.

If you can't get a terma girl to go with you for HER portion of the price, then that's your problem.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2072791]When there's chemistry, why aren't more guys inviting the terma and clinica girls back to their apartments on their off time? It's easy to make it more lucrative than their time at the terma or clinica. Many of the terma girls are young and unattached. 4 x4 girls are great because they have weekends off. Yes, I am very well of no shows, but I have had more success than failures.
Me thinks, most foreign mongers are lazy, don't learn a lick of Portuguese and think knocking on the door of a clinica is hard work. A little charm, a little Portuguese and a little money go a long way.[/QUOTE]Exactly. NO need to reinvent the wheel.

Good for you. Keep on with your success. I think the same as you.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2073279]You absolutely should ask them back and no need to pay what the termas charge.
You shouldn't be clockwatching in the crib eityher-if they dig you and the chemistry is there.
I would never bring a girl to the crib to do the terma 60 min clock watch. Gtfooh!
... Secondly don't forget that in termas they don't earn what you pay, they earn that minus what terma takes in comission so half maybe.[/QUOTE]Exactly. And yet, you have to explain some 'common sense' things to the slow people. This is NOT rocket science. I'm glad some of US can actually think.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2074526]Only because your game is weak,. They can have the SAME price! The price for the Actual session, not including the room price. Figure the shit out.

I have had few girls come over from 4 x4. 1 girl fucked me for 100 reals including ass with 2 pops on a Saturday afternoon, and that for a short time 2 hours /2 pops. Another one fucked me all night for 150. In fact, the night I saw her at 4 x4, I was going with another girl. I told her I she came come to my place after work. AND she did come. She met me outside after 12.00, we went to eat in Centro. Had some Frango a Passarinho, fries and beer. Then I had everything, including her ass. And the next day in the afternoon.

If you can't get a terma girl to go with you for HER portion of the price, then that's your problem.[/QUOTE]Exactly. We are all on the same page. A girl at Afrodite trash club I had once wanted to come over.

She wasnt the coolest girl but a hot one in quarto-body nuts-i commited the cardinal drunk sin of not interviewing alot-just grabbed her cause she was hot-spoke for a bit. I was drunk so it was cool cool but I couldn't remember too much about her as a person.(dont psychoanalyze after 5 caipirinhas)-it was nice session though.

I told her on the phone "you make 150 an hour at Afrodite minus what they take which prob aint much but you prob bag a 100 an hour".

So ID give her 150.

She was cool with it and we agreed it for a couple hours +-no rush -no probem she said.

She switched on me right before leaving home that it wd be for 1 hour-I said I need 2 + or no deal. Then she started sayin 250 for 2 hours and that she was ready to come now.

I told her straight I didn't like her pushy vibe and that meant she most likely wd be pushy to get wrapped up too in my place.

Simple psychology.

Without past experiences good and bad I wouldn't have responded like that.

Hope this assists some nervous newbies.

I cancelled and brought over a non-pro from Jacarepagua off Cupid I had slept with already who works at The Marriott near Barra and was happy to stay the night w CIM etc.

She isn't as hot looking as Afrodite girl but the experience was much better as she's a cool ass friendly good hearted girl and less stress.

Same with an indigena I had at mv30-she's very sexy, good kisser etc. Session was cool in mv-but I felt there was more to come.

Next time I made her wait till it was too late to do a long session and did a short one to see what she wd be like.

She was much better.

I haggled with her about an all nighter -she was saying 400/500-I laughed.

I told her that she makes 180 an hour there tops so tryina charge me gringo prices meant she not diggin me like I dig her so lets leave it.

She calls me one day and has had a fight-her face is scratched-she can't go to work-has no food etc.

I said you can come for 200.

She agreed happily-- bb and CIM. Stayed 6 hours.

I bought her sth from the kilo.

Next time she stayed the night for 200 at IBIS. Great time.

Last time she was back on the story-telling-wanted to visit her mom in Porto Velho-needed to buy plane ticket.

I said you can fuck for the ticket but ill only pay half ticket-250-its almost Xmas-i was weak-shd have just said 200 all in all night.

I come back to Rio 6 months later-she still hasnt left yet!!loooool.

Anyway -moral of the story is-they all got stories-even the cool ones can go south. Some are cool for years then dissapear. Some you get tired off. Etc.

Its all in the game.

A gdp is a gdp. Some will hit you off a freebie or 2-then ask for you to come see em at work-balance it out.Some will get a bit attached to you and then expect you to help like a bf etc etc

It happens.Some will stay 3/4 days for nothing but food/drinks if they fall a bit for you..then wake up to reality.Happened twice with one from Cancun and one from MC.

You cant expect them to not work so its all fair.

Live life and keep note.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2074551]Exactly. We are all on the same page. A girl at Afrodite trash club I had once wanted to come over.
I told her on the phone "you make 150 an hour at Afrodite minus what they take which prob aint much but you prob bag a 100 an hour".
So ID give her 150.[/QUOTE]Exactly my point. If some idiot, who has been to Rio before can't figure it out. Well, there you go. They simply have no game, or lack intelligence. That's why they get quoted the SAME price from the terma!

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2074539]Exactly. And yet, you have to explain some 'common sense' things to the slow people. This is NOT rocket science. I'm glad some of US can actually think.[/QUOTE]I think we are all different, I ve been to Cancun many times, I had no success, maybe the problem is from me, or I am too young for this terma.

4 by 4 is another story, I love this terma, I got many whatsapp numbers from the girls, even the girls I did not session with, one girl wanted me to go with her to a show in Barra this Saturday, her name is Sher. Another girl asked me to go to lapa this weekend. I agree many gringos don't speak any Portuguese, Portuguese is the key. I speak Portuguese.

Last week I saw a girl I liked in 4 by 4, but I was busy with another girl. I don't see her anymore in 4 by4. Someone has some news about her? Her name is Keiza.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2074562]Exactly my point. If some idiot, who has been to Rio before can't figure it out. Well, there you go. They simply have no game, or lack intelligence. That's why they get quoted the SAME price from the terma![/QUOTE]Correction.

Cancun, the girl makes 230 reais per one hour session. Many girls don't session everyday.

4 by 4, the girl makes 210 reais per hour session. Many girls don't session everyday.

Trash clubs, the girl makes between 80 and 100 reais an hour.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2074526]Only because your game is weak,. They can have the SAME price! The price for the Actual session, not including the room price. Figure the shit out.

I have had few girls come over from 4 x4. 1 girl fucked me for 100 reals including ass with 2 pops on a Saturday afternoon, and that for a short time 2 hours /2 pops. Another one fucked me all night for 150. In fact, the night I saw her at 4 x4, I was going with another girl. I told her I she came come to my place after work. AND she did come. She met me outside after 12.00, we went to eat in Centro. Had some Frango a Passarinho, fries and beer. Then I had everything, including her ass. And the next day in the afternoon.

If you can't get a terma girl to go with you for HER portion of the price, then that's your problem.[/QUOTE]Thank you Pipe Layer, I am sure if I follow your advice, I too will be getting girls from Centaurus for a piece of bubble gum and 3 reais for bus fare!! You are a god to us "non game, no clue having " mongers!! I can only hope to one day be as cool and awesome a monger as you are!! Valeu!!

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2074551]Exactly. ...I told her on the phone "you make 150 an hour at Afrodite minus what they take which prob aint much but you prob bag a 100 an hour".
I haggled with her about an all nighter -she was saying 400/500-I laughed.
I told her that she makes 180 an hour there tops so tryina charge me gringo prices meant she not diggin me like I dig her so lets leave it.
... I said you can come for 200.
She agreed happily-- bb and CIM. Stayed 6 hours.
I bought her sth from the kilo.
Next time she stayed the night for 200 at IBIS. Great time.
Anyway -moral of the story is-they all got stories-even the cool ones can go south. Some are cool for years then dissapear. Some you get tired off. Etc.
Live life and keep note.[/QUOTE]Excactly. And yet some knuckleheads still don't get it! Laughing my ass off at the idiots.

Hello everyone,

Thank you for all of your reports, they have been very helpful. I have been to FKKS which were amazing and Tijuana which was a drag. I want to try Colombia and Brazil out so I was considering arriving in Bogota Friday Nov 17 for 3 days leaving Monday Nov 20 to Medellin for 3 days, then to Rio Nov 23 Thursday for 6 days and my final stop Sao Paulo for 6 days. I've been told Rio is best during the week and they have FKK style clubs. I am still a little confused on what to expect in Colombia. It sounds like they have FKK style clubs but smaller or I would have to find a prepaid. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I decided to do this trip after visiting some local strip clubs that have had an influx of Cubans. So sexy compared to the other girls. Should I try and split the days more equally? Less days at Sao Paulo? Oh I am also a gringo.

[QUOTE=DukesFord;2075609]Hello everyone,

Thank you for all of your reports, they have been very helpful. I have been to FKKS which were amazing and Tijuana which was a drag. I want to try Colombia and Brazil out so I was considering arriving in Bogota Friday Nov 17 for 3 days leaving Monday Nov 20 to Medellin for 3 days, then to Rio Nov 23 Thursday for 6 days and my final stop Sao Paulo for 6 days. I've been told Rio is best during the week and they have FKK style clubs. I am still a little confused on what to expect in Colombia. It sounds like they have FKK style clubs but smaller or I would have to find a prepaid. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I decided to do this trip after visiting some local strip clubs that have had an influx of Cubans. So sexy compared to the other girls. Should I try and split the days more equally? Less days at Sao Paulo? Oh I am also a gringo.[/QUOTE]You will have best success in Rio from Monday thru Friday visiting privees / clubs / boates in Centro and, if necessary, Zona Sul. I would only spend those days in Rio (come on a Sunday, leave on a Sat).

For SP, the clinicas are open on Saturdays and I believe some on Sundays, as well as during the week, so you can spend a weekend there with still opportunities to go out to moderately quality places.

Equal days seem like a good idea, given what I just said.

Consider using the domestic airports (SDU- CGH) from Rio to SP.

We all look forward to reading your reports on Rio here, and on SP in the SP forum.

Dear all,

Any word on MC. From RTFF it appears it is closed or about to close. Can someone please provide an update. Also, few hotels are quite close to MC such as Olinda Rio. Anyone stayed there? Is it GFE.

Appreciate your input.

Cheers.

I can't speak for PipeLayer99 or Komo753, but there is some game and communication involved. I always treat termas girls like I would a girlfriend. Brazilian girls especially seem to appreciate the allusion. Talk to the girl about what she likes to do, what music she enjoys. I will invite the girl to meet me and ask her what she likes to drink or eat. If she is chill, I might say we'll meet at the beach by my apartment. A sense of humor and a smile go a long way.

If all your doing is grabbing the girl in the terma, staring at her body and discussing anal and other sex acts in great deal, perhaps you won't get the girl to meet you outside the terma.

If you have game back home, all of this should be pretty intuitive for you. In Rio, you will have game and money working for you.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2076000]I can't speak for PipeLayer99 or Komo753, but there is some game and communication involved. I always treat termas girls like I would a girlfriend. Brazilian girls especially seem to appreciate the allusion. Talk to the girl about what she likes to do, what music she enjoys. I will invite the girl to meet me and ask her what she likes to drink or eat. If she is chill, I might say we'll meet at the beach by my apartment. A sense of humor and a smile go a long way.

If all your doing is grabbing the girl in the terma, staring at her body and discussing anal and other sex acts in great deal, perhaps you won't get the girl to meet you outside the terma.

If you have game back home, all of this should be pretty intuitive for you. In Rio, you will have game and money working for you.[/QUOTE]It is very easy to meet girls outside terma, you just have to know how to talk. All the termas are different, every guy is different.

From my experience, I prefer 4 by 4 over Cancun, the atmosphere is better, there are always more girls. Many people say 4 by 4 is more macho just to let you guys know we don't go to the termas for guys but we go for girls. It is very easy to meet and talk to the girls you like physically. Many new talents, more variety.

Cancun is very weak, the infrastructure is good but the atmosphere is very slow, I met some nice girls but never the girls I like physically. The girls seem to be less motivate and more tired, it is as if they don't like what to do.

They prefer old guys that have defunct penis over healthy men. They are lazy and no conversation, many girls have been working there for many years there. Not many new talents. The waiters look tired unlike 4 by 4. Cancun is often dead especially Monday and Tuesday.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2076019]It is very easy to meet girls outside terma, you just have to know how to talk. All the termas are different, every guy is different.

From my experience, I prefer 4 by 4 over Cancun, the atmosphere is better, there are always more girls. Many people say 4 by 4 is more macho just to let you guys know we don't go to the termas for guys but we go for girls. It is very easy to meet and talk to the girls you like physically. Many new talents, more variety.

Cancun is very weak, the infrastructure is good but the atmosphere is very slow, I met some nice girls but never the girls I like physically. The girls seem to be less motivate and more tired, it is as if they don't like what to do.

They prefer old guys that have defunct penis over healthy men. They are lazy and no conversation, many girls have been working there for many years there. Not many new talents. The waiters look tired unlike 4 by 4. Cancun is often dead especially Monday and Tuesday.[/QUOTE]How much do the girls at 4 by 4 charge for an hour now? 400 reals? How about Mabs? Solarium? I am planning to go to Rio for the first time in November. Any info and suggestions will be very much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Wantoknow;2076130]How much do the girls at 4 by 4 charge for an hour now? 400 reals? How about Mabs? Solarium? I am planning to go to Rio for the first time in November. Any info and suggestions will be very much appreciated.[/QUOTE]4 by 4, the price is fixed, 360 reais an hour for any girl with room included, there is a shower in every room.

If you session before 6 pm you don't pay entrance.

Solarium is OK, there are many good looking girls, just the price is exaggerated, the rooms are not better than 4 by 4 and Cancun, if you session 40 minutes the price is around 500 reais in a cabin, only the entrance you pay 110 reais.

Mabs, most girls have been working there for many years, that is why there are always the same girls in this place, most of them are ugly or old, some girls also work in vila Mimosa the dirtiest puteiro in Rio de Janeiro. Mabs. Mabs is same girls all the times, most of them are dirty.

There are many clubs in Copacabana, I never go to Copacabana clubs because they are more a gringo trap that's why you don't see Brazilians there even in Mabs, the only Brazilians you see there, are the bitches, the staff, the beggars and the guys that try to take you to the club where they work.

If you are into black girls, low end termas are better, the rooms are clean and the bar is clean (t31 and 502 are good clubs and safe). If you are into whiter girls, high end termas are better (4 by 4 and solarium) there is only one black girl out of 50 girls. Most girls are white or light brown.

I am in Sao paulo, Sao Paulo is way better than Rio de Janeiro, more clubs, more different girls. If you speak Portuguese it is very easy to negotiate, nightlife is way better than rio, mongering in sao paulo is better than Rio de Janeiro.

Your goal is only to pick freelancers in the clubs brothels or fuck in the brothel rooms and go to the brothels without using robe and you like negotiate and enjoy nightlife, better to go to Sao Paulo. Mongering in Sao Paulo is way better than Rio de Janeiro (more variety and very easy to find european Brazilians (German and Italian) and japanese Brazilians if your goal is to enjoy beaches and daytime activities or go to brothels like FKK (termas) better to go to Rio de Janeiro.

[QUOTE=Wantoknow;2076130]How much do the girls at 4 by 4 charge for an hour now? 400 reals? How about Mabs? Solarium? I am planning to go to Rio for the first time in November. Any info and suggestions will be very much appreciated.[/QUOTE]
There is actually no set answer to this as its dependent on you and how you treat the girl,how much she really likes you,how late it is and whether she had a customer that day-did a program-whether you live alot closer

than she does to work so an all nighter would make sense and also a bit of portugues will surely help but the guideline is:

As a complete newbie be prepared to be taken for a ride.

ID be very surprised if 4 x 4 girls quote you less than 400 to come bang-Mabs girls will try the same whilst offering the native speaking the same ass for less than half.

They can probably be bargained down a bit.

Centaurus / Solarium girls noticing you're fresh off the boat and can afford to go to Centaurus / Solarium will charge you up to and around 500 probably.

Please tell them they make half of that with a smile and go from there.

Tel them YOU WONT TELL NOBODY they accepted half and you will tell all the mongerers in and outside the place you paid 500 and it was amazing and you wil give their number to rich friends.

Gamesmanship.

This worked for me in a few spots and also in tier 2 spots like FLorida bar once where i astonishingly enough met a very hot negra from Meyer in Zona Norte who i repeated with a few times.

She wanted some intros to guys with money and wanted info and help to Europe and shed hit me off handsomely if I could so of course i could.



ID say start by not doing the super gringo wide-eyed thing and accept what they say-if you are a cool guy and treat them well and kindly and they like you-hopefully you will be able to get some cheaper take outs and some "normal dates" with the girls where you pay food / drinks / night out-it is very possible.

Stand your ground and this will be the good Rio habit created.

Remember the terma girls will try and charge you what you pay at the terma to come.

Remember they only make around 200-250 an hour for themselves in the good ones.

In the lower tier ones they make maybe 100 an hour.

Even in MC / Solarium where it says 300+ for an hour attributed to the girl (roughly) -on the bill- she has to pay a weekly amount to MC to keep her spot alot of times so that comes down to beforementioned averages.

If all else fails, hit the lower tier termas and pay much less to enjoy just as much and you might see me there doing just that!

[QUOTE=WorldWanderer;2075756]Dear all,

Any word on MC. From RTFF it appears it is closed or about to close. Can someone please provide an update. Also, few hotels are quite close to MC such as Olinda Rio. Anyone stayed there? Is it GFE.

Appreciate your input.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]MC is still just about open but receiving p4 p resuscitation in the remote hope the vibe, the dj and the good times (rich gringoes / rich cariocas) come back.

IF you start seeing Ivan disguised in womens clothes and the fat controller as well you know the recruitment has gone officially down the drain and its time to run.

The favorite song of the talent at MC is Exodus by Bob Marley.

They all have it on rotation on their Samsungee 8.

Solarium and Centaurus wait with open arms like receiving a long lost daughter back in the fold.

Olinda is NOT a GF hotel.

None of the hotels on Avenida Atlantica really are apart from maybe very discreetly bringin one up in the daytime for a few hours providing she doesn't look like what she is and occasionally giving the security a

"propinha(tip) or a Guarana(not the SODA-this is slang for a bribe)-also known as a Cafezinha(a small coffee(a small "gift")!

There is a couple of nuggets to keep in your mind.

They all love a Guarana in Brazil wink wink.

Its very front line so keepng up appearances is important.

Remember the hotels make money from bullying us gringo mongerers into paying a guest fee blablabla.

Like their economy isnt already on its knees but this is the infamous Brazilian mentality in business so eloquently covered elsewhere.

Ignore the proximity to MC and go to nearby IBIS (posto 5 or 2) or Best Western (posto 2) or those types. There are a few on Siqueira Campos- Atlantico hotel is decent and roughly opposite Siqueria Campos station that is

GF as well providing you make

reservation for 2 upfront and tell them" my friend is coming another day".

This worked for me at Best Western Ipanema (Sol)

My first visit as a 100 % green newbie with zero portugues and no clue looking for Termas that had been shut for a year(Luomo) etc I stayed on Atlantica down the road from Copa Palace.NOT GF!lol

[QUOTE=Komo753;2076162]4 by 4, the price is fixed, 360 reais an hour for any girl with room included, there is a shower in every room.

I am in Sao paulo, Sao Paulo is way better than Rio de Janeiro, more clubs, more different girls. If you speak Portuguese it is very easy to negotiate, nightlife is way better than rio, mongering in sao paulo is better than Rio de Janeiro.

Your goal is only to pick freelancers in the clubs brothels or fuck in the brothel rooms and go to the brothels without using robe and you like negotiate and enjoy nightlife, better to go to Sao Paulo. Mongering in Sao Paulo is way better than Rio de Janeiro (more variety and very easy to find european Brazilians (German and Italian) and japanese Brazilians if your goal is to enjoy beaches and daytime activities or go to brothels like FKK (termas) better to go to Rio de Janeiro.[/QUOTE]Rio De Janerio is still a gold mine, The Game has changed so you always have to adapt. Most recently when I visit Brazil I don't even mess with the Termas like 4 x 4 and Cancun like that, and I hardly ever mess with Mabs, Its nothing but gutter trash, and old ex Help Girls, I have seen girls work in Mabs that were working in help since 1992. Right now I'm cool with a few brazilian girls, I even know a famous funk singer that on the side she is willing to due something strange for some change.

The Funk Singer that I'm cool with, I fuck her and I also let her find me some girls for me, or I browse social media sites and let her contact the females for me, She of course she is brazilian so speaks Perfect fluent Portuguese, So my success rate is almost 95% that the girls that I contact will come to my apartment, unlike before when I would get alot of flakes which I can understand, my apartment was in Copacabana and alot of these girls live very far, I realize when it comes to women and meeting people on social media, It's easier for a female to trust another woman than a strange gringo using google translate.

But Yeah Last Year when I was in Brazil, I was fucking hot brazilian chicks nothing but 9's and 10's, that would never set foot in a place like Mabs, or is not getting fucked by alot of men every month like the typical termas working girl. I was fucking alot of Non-Pros and the sex was way better and the price was way cheaper, Brazil is in a crisis now so its a gold mine, a lot of chicks willing to do something strange for some change.

So my advice if you're lazy like me and don't care to learn Portuguese, Try to find a down ass Brazilian chicks and have her find girls for you and give her a nice tip or if you're a newbie, I guess you can go to the termas and find a cool chicks and get her number and make connections that way!. You will find a lot of gems.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2076295]I was fucking alot of Non-Pros and the sex was way better and the price was way cheaper[/QUOTE]
Non-pro charging? If not a puta let say a piranha or papa-gringo. Not that it really matters.

IMO, the best sex in Brazil is given by non-pro's who f*cks without charging for the sex. Nothing beats the combination of easy regular brazilian girls and pro's to fulfill the urgent needs.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2076349]Non-pro charging? If not a puta let say a piranha or papa-gringo. Not that it really matters.

IMO, the best sex in Brazil is given by non-pro's who f*cks without charging for the sex. Nothing beats the combination of easy regular brazilian girls and pro's to fulfill the urgent needs.[/QUOTE]When I mean non-pros I'm talking about women that are not working and are not in the game like that, I have fucked a few non-pros for free from Tinder, but there usually either very average / overweight or just plain old (Late 30's and Early 40's).

If I want the really hot 9's and 10's, I will usually have to give them money for there cab and also if she is a really hot chick she is usually going to want something for her time, Maybe if I was fluent in Portuguese I can maybe get a really hot chick for free.

But I don't mind giving them $70-$100 bucks, for their time at the end of the day, I'm paying all this money for flights and flying all the way to Brazil, and spending a lot on hotel / apartments, so why make the big fuss about giving a really hot chick money. Back home in the matrix if I want a really hot brazilian chicks I'm going to spend money, a lot more than $100 bucks, when you factor taking her on dates, and dinner, etc. And that's if I hit the first night, alot matrix chicks want you to wait months before you even smell the pussy.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2076295]Rio De Janerio is still a gold mine, The Game has changed so you always have to adapt. Most recently when I visit Brazil I don't even mess with the Termas like 4 x 4 and Cancun like that, and I hardly ever mess with Mabs, Its nothing but gutter trash, and old ex Help Girls, I have seen girls work in Mabs that were working in help since 1992. Right now I'm cool with a few brazilian girls, I even know a famous funk singer that on the side she is willing to due something strange for some change.

The Funk Singer that I'm cool with, I fuck her and I also let her find me some girls for me, or I browse social media sites and let her contact the females for me, She of course she is brazilian so speaks Perfect fluent Portuguese, So my success rate is almost 95% that the girls that I contact will come to my apartment, unlike before when I would get alot of flakes which I can understand, my apartment was in Copacabana and alot of these girls live very far, I realize when it comes to women and meeting people on social media, It's easier for a female to trust another woman than a strange gringo using google translate..[/QUOTE]Rio is dead not because of the crisis but because of the stupid corrupted police, lawyers, judges etc, when you open an brothel, you don't know what will happen. You have to know many termas pay the police to keep their business open, few year ago, 4 by4 was closed for two months because they had no money to pay the police.

Sao Paulo is in Brazil, mongering there is way better, many clubs, many girls from other states.

If the girls charged you, they are money bitches, in the termas many girls don't work everyday or they don't make clients everyday, in 4 by 4 there are girls that only work twice a month. 4 by4 is not strict the girls can come as they like. Unlike cancun, the girls seem to be more pro because they only do this job. In 4 by4 they have many girls, many girls don't come everyday.

I speak portuguese I don't have trouble picking regulars in lapa. That's why I can meet some termas girls without paying them, I only offer restaurant something like that and buy the show ticket for them etc or I pay them like 200 - 300 reais all night. Some terma girls I paid cash some I did not pay cash. Some terma girls tried to charged me more so I just answer I ll think and call you if I need you, there are bad roots everywhere.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2076162]4 by 4, the price is fixed, 360 reais an hour for any girl with room included, there is a shower in every room.

If you session before 6 pm you don't pay entrance.

Solarium is OK, there are many good looking girls, just the price is exaggerated, the rooms are not better than 4 by 4 and Cancun, if you session 40 minutes the price is around 500 reais in a cabin, only the entrance you pay 110 reais.

Mabs, most girls have been working there for many years, that is why there are always the same girls in this place, most of them are ugly or old, some girls also work in vila Mimosa the dirtiest puteiro in Rio de Janeiro. Mabs. Mabs is same girls all the times, most of them are dirty.

There are many clubs in Copacabana, I never go to Copacabana clubs because they are more a gringo trap that's why you don't see Brazilians there even in Mabs, the only Brazilians you see there, are the bitches, the staff, the beggars and the guys that try to take you to the club where they work.

If you are into black girls, low end termas are better, the rooms are clean and the bar is clean (t31 and 502 are good clubs and safe). If you are into whiter girls, high end termas are better (4 by 4 and solarium) there is only one black girl out of 50 girls. Most girls are white or light brown.

I am in Sao paulo, Sao Paulo is way better than Rio de Janeiro, more clubs, more different girls. If you speak Portuguese it is very easy to negotiate, nightlife is way better than rio, mongering in sao paulo is better than Rio de Janeiro.

Your goal is only to pick freelancers in the clubs brothels or fuck in the brothel rooms and go to the brothels without using robe and you like negotiate and enjoy nightlife, better to go to Sao Paulo. Mongering in Sao Paulo is way better than Rio de Janeiro (more variety and very easy to find european Brazilians (German and Italian) and japanese Brazilians if your goal is to enjoy beaches and daytime activities or go to brothels like FKK (termas) better to go to Rio de Janeiro.[/QUOTE]Your info is very much appreciated. I don't speak a word of Portuguese. Will be difficult to negotiate. Love black girls, will definitely try out t31 and 502. I will stay in one of the hotels in Copacabana, are they easy to get to by taxi?

[QUOTE=Wantoknow;2076484]Your info is very much appreciated. I don't speak a word of Portuguese. Will be difficult to negotiate. Love black girls, will definitely try out t31 and 502. I will stay in one of the hotels in Copacabana, are they easy to get to by taxi?[/QUOTE]Very easy to get to-with Uber its cheap straight to the doorstep. Can also take the metro from Cantagalo, Siqueira Campos etc straight to Presidente Vargas / Uruguyana.

For black girls hit the lower tier termas (mv30,31,502,Florida, Black and white in Bonsucesso-avenida de paris-take uber straight to the spot-do not walk around there, trash spots in Urugyuana (24,210,Afrodite,5 etc) and VM with a wingman who does speak some ideally. You can go alone if you're low key cool guy-know 30 minutes is roughly 60/65- 1 hour 130/140.

Hearing lot of interesting things about T31. Anyone visited their recently?

Do they still have dupla offer for 180?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=WorldWanderer;2075756]Dear all,

Any word on MC. From RTFF it appears it is closed or about to close. Can someone please provide an update. Also, few hotels are quite close to MC such as Olinda Rio. Anyone stayed there? Is it GFE.

Appreciate your input.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I have stayed at Olinda Rio. That is the most comfortable location for MC (of course there are other 10's of hotels near by). Walk by 30 seconds. I am also very sad to read the news that MC is really going down. Has any one been to Montecarlo in the last 1-2 weeks? I am there next week with lots of hopes and dreams. My plan is to get there by 3 pm and if it is bad, take a taxi and go to solarium on a Saturday.

Last time when I stayed at Olinda, on a Sunday night, I went to barberalla and picked a girl, came back to Olinda around 2 am and walked straight through to the elevator with the girl, no one stopped me. But everyone says it is not a GF hotel. So this time around I am picking MAR Palace. Not to my taste, but it is so close to MC. I checked Best Western (not the one near Leblon), but inside avenues of copa. It is only 800 m. But it is a 8-10 minutes walk. My concern is in the night after MC closes, to walk there at 1 or 2 am. Alone. Taxi is a pain for such a short distance but walking in the night another pain. So choosing Mar Palance. Don't know if that is GF?

Am in Rio / Copa next week.

First, I will provide detailed report as my gratitude for all the help I get from ISG. .

Anyone. Willing to join as friends and relax.

Am stopping by at MonteCarlo on Saturday. If it is bad, am heading to Solarium.

Sunday. I have arranged for whatsapp girls picked from social sites. 400 R $ for 2-3 hours in the afternoon. Then in the night my favorite girl from last time Barberalla promised to bring her friend for full night of 3 some (R $500 each) - booked 12 hours in VIP Suites.

Mon / Tue - 4 x4.

Mv30/31/502/ Cancun. Is it all black girls. Or majority white / light skinned. I like light skinned. I have so far only visited MC and Solarium / Centauras. 4 x 4 first time).

Will never go to MABS.

Heading to iguazu falls for few days of vacation.

Back again for 1-2 days of relax in rio.

Pm me.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2076250]MC is still just about open but receiving p4 p resuscitation in the remote hope the vibe, the dj and the good times (rich gringoes / rich cariocas) come back.

IF you start seeing Ivan disguised in womens clothes and the fat controller as well you know the recruitment has gone officially down the drain and its time to run.

The favorite song of the talent at MC is Exodus by Bob Marley.

They all have it on rotation on their Samsungee 8.

Solarium and Centaurus wait with open arms like receiving a long lost daughter back in the fold.

Olinda is NOT a GF hotel.

None of the hotels on Avenida Atlantica really are apart from maybe very discreetly bringin one up in the daytime for a few hours providing she doesn't look like what she is and occasionally giving the security a

"propinha(tip) or a Guarana(not the SODA-this is slang for a bribe)-also known as a Cafezinha(a small coffee(a small "gift")!

There is a couple of nuggets to keep in your mind.

They all love a Guarana in Brazil wink wink.

Its very front line so keepng up appearances is important.

Remember the hotels make money from bullying us gringo mongerers into paying a guest fee blablabla.

Like their economy isnt already on its knees but this is the infamous Brazilian mentality in business so eloquently covered elsewhere.

Ignore the proximity to MC and go to nearby IBIS (posto 5 or 2) or Best Western (posto 2) or those types. There are a few on Siqueira Campos- Atlantico hotel is decent and roughly opposite Siqueria Campos station that is

GF as well providing you make

reservation for 2 upfront and tell them" my friend is coming another day".

This worked for me at Best Western Ipanema (Sol)

My first visit as a 100 % green newbie with zero portugues and no clue looking for Termas that had been shut for a year(Luomo) etc I stayed on Atlantica down the road from Copa Palace.NOT GF!lol[/QUOTE]Is Sol Ipanema Hotel one the same of Best Western Ipanema (Sol)?

[QUOTE=Wantoknow;2076754]Is Sol Ipanema Hotel one the same of Best Western Ipanema (Sol)?[/QUOTE]Yes that's the one. Opposite the beach.

I reserved for 2.

My girl-Adrianna from Monte Carlo-came after work on a Friday.

She stayed till Monday-checked in.

After that-Lina came from Monte Carlo and then Adrianna again-then Lidiane from Macapa. They just called me from reception if it was ok to send them up!

I was worried but no reason. They were very cool.

Hotel is ok-nothing great.

I actually prefer IBIS both posto 5 / posto 2.

Heard new Best Western in Posto 2 is pretty good.

Good luck like Taken 5.

[QUOTE=WorldWanderer;2076643]Hearing lot of interesting things about T31. Anyone visited their recently?

Do they still have dupla offer for 180?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Never heard about that and been comin there for 3 + years.

180 is the price for 60 min in quarto.

It used to be 200.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;2076687]Am in Rio / Copa next week.

First, I will provide detailed report as my gratitude for all the help I get from ISG. .

Anyone. Willing to join as friends and relax.

Am stopping by at MonteCarlo on Saturday. If it is bad, am heading to Solarium.

Sunday. I have arranged for whatsapp girls picked from social sites. 400 R $ for 2-3 hours in the afternoon. Then in the night my favorite girl from last time Barberalla promised to bring her friend for full night of 3 some (R $500 each) - booked 12 hours in VIP Suites.

Mon / Tue - 4 x4.

Mv30/31/502/ Cancun. Is it all black girls. Or majority white / light skinned. I like light skinned. I have so far only visited MC and Solarium / Centauras. 4 x 4 first time).

Will never go to MABS.

Heading to iguazu falls for few days of vacation.

Back again for 1-2 days of relax in rio.

Pm me.[/QUOTE]31 mainly black with a few morenas. Mv30 is a mixture of fake blondes, morenas, mulattas and few negras. Cancun is occasional negra-rest whiter looking. 502 is black and morena.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;2076685]I have stayed at Olinda Rio. That is the most comfortable location for MC (of course there are other 10's of hotels near by). Walk by 30 seconds. I am also very sad to read the news that MC is really going down. Has any one been to Montecarlo in the last 1-2 weeks? I am there next week with lots of hopes and dreams. My plan is to get there by 3 pm and if it is bad, take a taxi and go to solarium on a Saturday.

Last time when I stayed at Olinda, on a Sunday night, I went to barberalla and picked a girl, came back to Olinda around 2 am and walked straight through to the elevator with the girl, no one stopped me. But everyone says it is not a GF hotel. So this time around I am picking MAR Palace. Not to my taste, but it is so close to MC. I checked Best Western (not the one near Leblon), but inside avenues of copa. It is only 800 m. But it is a 8-10 minutes walk. My concern is in the night after MC closes, to walk there at 1 or 2 am. Alone. Taxi is a pain for such a short distance but walking in the night another pain. So choosing Mar Palance. Don't know if that is GF?[/QUOTE]Olinda is not GF-you got lucky.

Mar I doubt is.

You need to check with hotel first.

From MC to IBIS / Best Western is 5 minutes in cab / uber at night then no need for Motels.

Good luck like Taken 5.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;2076687]Am in Rio / Copa next week.

First, I will provide detailed report as my gratitude for all the help I get from ISG. .

Anyone. Willing to join as friends and relax.

Am stopping by at MonteCarlo on Saturday. If it is bad, am heading to Solarium.

Sunday. I have arranged for whatsapp girls picked from social sites. 400 R $ for 2-3 hours in the afternoon. Then in the night my favorite girl from last time Barberalla promised to bring her friend for full night of 3 some (R $500 each) - booked 12 hours in VIP Suites.

Mon / Tue - 4 x4.

Mv30/31/502/ Cancun. Is it all black girls. Or majority white / light skinned. I like light skinned. I have so far only visited MC and Solarium / Centauras. 4 x 4 first time).

Will never go to MABS.

Heading to iguazu falls for few days of vacation.

Back again for 1-2 days of relax in rio.

Pm me.[/QUOTE]In Rio de Janeiro, solarium and 4 by4 is the best place if you like the girls whiter. Other places, most girls are black or mulatta or ugly whites or unmotivate white girls.

MV30, most girls are ugly and old, I went there many times, I only drink. Because I never find a girl I like phisically, many girls have ugly faces or travesti face, many of them are old.

Cancun, there are many good looking girls there but it is not worth going I often fuck up my day I hate the attitude so I never session there, many girls look tired and unmotivated, it is as if they don't like what they do, they are more pro, most girls have been working there over 1 year, the service in cancun is shitty, lazy waiters and barmen. All the girls remain seated and talk each other. The atmosphere is very slow. The move is not good. Manhattan is the whiskeria that is downstairs. It is the same shit, same girls.

T65, you can use a Rome or your street clothes, you can go to the bar or club without using robe or with robe, you can swift as you like. Drinks are cheaper than Cancun. 320 40 minutes in a cabin without shower and 380 reais 60 minutes in a room with shower. 70 reais entrance toward consumption. There are white and light brown girls and two blacks. There have two black girls out of 20 girls. There are only 20 girls that work there.

4 by 4 is my best in rio, more white girls, the price is normal, more different girls every week there are new girls. Many girls don't go everyday unlike other termas. There are always many girls in the clubs, more girls than cancun.

Solarium, there are many white girls there, but the price is exaggerated, 110 reais entrance without consumption. The bar is smaller than Cancun and 4 by4. The rooms are not bigger than 4 by4 and cancun. Only 40 minutes in a cabin you pay around 535 reais with entrance without consumption.

If you are like me, you are more into european brazilians or Brazilian women looking like portuguese / Spanish women better to go to Sao Paulo, yesterday I found a red haired girl with european features and grey eyes. She study for orthodontic and she is 23 years old. I paid 400 reais all night from 3 am to 12 pm. We arranged to meet outside the club. That's why speking portuguese is the key.

4 x 4 opens at 11 am and closes around 1 am.

I am staying at copa. I plan to use Uber or regular taxi.

What are the safety issues, are there any in the night. Just to get out of the 4 x 4, get a taxi and leave?

Is it safe to walk around around 8 or 9 for dinner?

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2076767]Yes that's the one. Opposite the beach.

I reserved for 2.

My girl-Adrianna from Monte Carlo-came after work on a Friday.

She stayed till Monday-checked in.

After that-Lina came from Monte Carlo and then Adrianna again-then Lidiane from Macapa. They just called me from reception if it was ok to send them up!

I was worried but no reason. They were very cool.

Hotel is ok-nothing great.

I actually prefer IBIS both posto 5 / posto 2.

Heard new Best Western in Posto 2 is pretty good.

Good luck like Taken 5.[/QUOTE]IBIS posto is almost three times cheaper then Sol Ipanema although IBIS is 3 stars and Sol Ipanema is 4 stars. Will check Best Western posto 2. Thank you so much for your info.

[QUOTE=Wantoknow;2076876]IBIS posto is almost three times cheaper then Sol Ipanema although IBIS is 3 stars and Sol Ipanema is 4 stars. Will check Best Western posto 2. Thank you so much for your info.[/QUOTE]Sol Ipanema is worn out and old-breakfast butt-average and I prefer to be in Copacabana tbh. Ipanema is fine to go to for the beach and that's it. Mentality isn't to my liking.

Ibis is cool-posto 5 one is better and newer. Rooms are IBIS-standard but fine for couple weeks. Anything longer and it gets claustrophobic! LOL.

Also get high floors like above 10th. Views are much better.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2076768]Never heard about that and been comin there for 3 + years.

180 is the price for 60 min in quarto.

It used to be 200.[/QUOTE]Thank you for very much for replying. Really appreciate it. I understand probably my information is old. I just checked and it says the offer was on Wednesday. I am wondering if dupla is on menu on these termas and how much they cost.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;2076838]4 x 4 opens at 11 am and closes around 1 am.

I am staying at copa. I plan to use Uber or regular taxi.

What are the safety issues, are there any in the night. Just to get out of the 4 x 4, get a taxi and leave?

Is it safe to walk around around 8 or 9 for dinner?[/QUOTE]When you get out of 4 by 4 , just go to the subway station (carioca) It very safe to use subway, you can even take the subway at 12 AM, I've never had trouble. After midnight it is better to take the taxi or uber because the bus transport is not really safe, the bus transport is not good in Rio de Janeiro, they often come late they are never on time.

I prefer to use uber to Taxis, I don't recieve small useless change and don't break my notes. It is cheaper.

It is safe to walk around, you can have dinner you just have to be careful like everywhere and don't brink too much money just bring what you need for sex and food.

4 by4 is open from 1. 30 pm to 12 am, when 4 by4 is closed you can swift from the terma to whiskeria, the whiskeria is open till 3 AM. You don't need to pay the entrance again unlike Cancun. The move in whiskeria is as good as the terma from 11 PM. Early in the whiskeria, it is very slow so it better to be in the terma till 11 pm before going to whiskeria.

In whiskeria, there is a 10 per cent service fee when you consume or pick a girl from whiskeria, unlike 4 by4 terma, there is no service fee. Do like Brazilians if you are downstairs in the whiskeria, don't pay service fee, because paying service fee is not compulsory in Brazil. It is what I do, I never pay service fee when I am downstairs in the whiskeria.

If you stay in copa, taking the subway is easy and faster. I don't like to take taxi or uber in the day because there is stupid trafick jam and you never know. In rio de janeiro they often like to demonstrate and slow the cars down. Brazilians are lazy people that often complain. Living in Japan, there is a big difference between these two countries.

I am now in Sao Paulo, I can tell you the transport is better than Rio.

[QUOTE=WorldWanderer;2077007]Thank you for very much for replying. Really appreciate it. I understand probably my information is old. I just checked and it says the offer was on Wednesday. I am wondering if dupla is on menu on these termas and how much they cost.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Dupla is not on the menu but you can take 2 upstairs if you want-its twice the fee for girl one for room.

The dupla discount is to be found at VM occasionally but its mostly girls themselves who will try and initiate that.

The termas prefer every girl to go up so they get the room fee per girl. (Brazilian thinking (You can definetely bargain for a dupla in termas (my friend did at MC after he had one already week before).

Good luck. With economy down they probably will have to incentivize and initiate new baits so why not?

Be cheeky and offer 250 for an hour with 2 in 31. They might go for it.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;2076838]4 x 4 opens at 11 am and closes around 1 am.
I am staying at copa. I plan to use Uber or regular taxi.
What are the safety issues, are there any in the night. Just to get out of the 4 x 4, get a taxi and leave? [/QUOTE][QUOTE=Komo753;2077036]When you get out of 4 by 4 , just go to the subway station (carioca) It very safe to use subway, you can even take the subway at 12 AM, I've never had trouble. After midnight it is better to take the taxi or uber because the bus transport is not really safe, the bus transport is not good in Rio de Janeiro, they often come late they are never on time.
It is safe to walk around, you can have dinner you just have to be careful like everywhere and don't brink too much money just bring what you need for sex and food.
4 by4 is open from 1. 30 pm to 12 am, when 4 by4 is closed you can swift from the terma to whiskeria, the whiskeria is open till 3 AM. You don't need to pay the entrance again unlike Cancun. The move in whiskeria is as good as the terma from 11 PM. Early in the whiskeria, it is very slow so it better to be in the terma till 11 pm before going to whiskeria.....
If you stay in copa, taking the subway is easy and faster...[/QUOTE]Some of your information is NOT correct. The metro / trains stop running after 12.00. If a guy wants to take the train, last train will be around 11.50. You should leave 4 x4 by 11.35 to be sure.

AND, from 4 x4, go to Metrô Uruguaiana. It is only 5 minutes from 4 x4. Carioca station is a 10 minute walk from 4 x4.

In regards to safety, I find centro to be just as safe as most big cities in the USA. If Mrusa plans to use UBER, then don't worry, you are good to go. It's cheap and convenient. Order the UBER after your shower and wait outside.

Question how much cheaper is uber? Compared to a regular cab.

Can you catch a uber by the airport when I land?

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2077494]Some of your information is NOT correct. The metro / trains stop running after 12.00. If a guy wants to take the train, last train will be around 11.50. You should leave 4 x4 by 11.35 to be sure.

AND, from 4 x4, go to Metr Uruguaiana. It is only 5 minutes from 4 x4. Carioca station is a 10 minute walk from 4 x4.

In regards to safety, I find centro to be just as safe as most big cities in the USA. If Mrusa plans to use UBER, then don't worry, you are good to go. It's cheap and convenient. Order the UBER after your shower and wait outside.[/QUOTE]Carioca is closer to 4 by4, cancun and 502.

Uruguaiana is closer to MV30 and T31.

My info is corect, the subway close at 12 , that means there are still metros running but the desks are closed and the door is closed at 12:00. 4 by4 is only 5 - 6 minutes from Carioca by foot. Centro is safe. Just avoid empty places. Around 10 pm, the streets start being empty.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2077519]Question how much cheaper is uber? Compared to a regular cab.

Can you catch a uber by the airport when I land?[/QUOTE]When I arrive at Rio de Janeiro, I take the bus to copacabana, it is only 16 reais, they stop in many places in Copacabana. Just ask the driver to stop when the bus is close to your place.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2077519]Question how much cheaper is uber? Compared to a regular cab.

Can you catch a uber by the airport when I land?[/QUOTE]With Uber I paid 42 reais from Copacabana to the airport. I never took uber from the airport, the cab is more expensive that's why it is better to only take the official taxi that use a counter.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2077494]Some of your information is NOT correct. The metro / trains stop running after 12.00. If a guy wants to take the train, last train will be around 11.50. You should leave 4 x4 by 11.35 to be sure.

AND, from 4 x4, go to Metr Uruguaiana. It is only 5 minutes from 4 x4. Carioca station is a 10 minute walk from 4 x4.

In regards to safety, I find centro to be just as safe as most big cities in the USA. If Mrusa plans to use UBER, then don't worry, you are good to go. It's cheap and convenient. Order the UBER after your shower and wait outside.[/QUOTE]Night fare taxi, after midnight if there is no more subway, from centro to Copacabana (leme). Ex Prado junior. 28 - 32 reais.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2077543]Carioca is closer to 4 by4, cancun and 502.
Uruguaiana is closer to MV30 and T31.
My info is corect, the subway close at 12 , that means there are still metros running but the desks are closed and the door is closed at 12:00. 4 by4 is only 5 - 6 minutes from Carioca by foot. Centro is safe. Just avoid empty places. Around 10 pm, the streets start being empty.[/QUOTE]I have been to Rio about 20 times. That's trips to Rio, not just trips via metro to centro.

It's a 5-6 minute walk from 4 x 4 to the Uruguaiana metro station. I did it plenty of times in the past 11 years. Here is an example from google maps. The carioca station is farther away from 4 x 4.

A quick search of google maps shows the details.

[URL]https://www.google.co.th/maps/dir/Esta%C3%A7%C3%A3o[/URL]+Uruguaiana+-+Rua+Uruguaiana+-+Centro,+Rio+de+Janeiro+-+State+of+Rio+de+Janeiro,+Brazil /4 x4+-+are. +Buenos+Aires,+44+-+Centro,+Rio+de+Janeiro+-+RJ,+20070-022,+Brazil / at -22.902911,-43.1812061,18 z / data=!4 m14!4 m13!1 m5!1 m1!1 s0 x997 f5 db325 a9 c1:0 x188 fd4 c2 ac5597!2 m2!1 d-43.1814998!2 d-22.9029353!1 m5!1 m1!1 s0 x997 f5 ec48 c96 cf:0 xb9 cf6 e9 de5 ed01 a6!2 m2!1 d-43.1778725!2 d-22.9023101!3 e2?hl=en.

It's a longer walk from 4x4 to the Carioca stop. Don't believe me, do a search.

Plus, if a guy doesn't have a metro card paid in advance, then you risk missing the last train. That's why I said go earlier. Plus, if you wait to leave 4 x4 until 11.50, they might have the gate closed already.
I have been there before 12.00 in the past and there was no train coming. Rio is NOT the USA, Europe, or Japan where most trains run on time / schedule. They can and will close the gates when they want.
I prefer to be safe than sorry.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2077573]I have been to Rio about 20 times. That's trips to Rio, not just trips via metro to centro.

It's a 5-6 minute walk from 4 x4 to the Uruguaiana metro station. I did it plenty of times in the past 11 years. Here is an example from google maps. The carioca station is farther away from 4 x4.

A quick search of google maps shows the details..[/QUOTE]I went to Rio many times, I often get off in Carioca to go to the termas, google is not always correct, carioca is only 5 minutes from the termas, why going to Uruguayan if carioca is also close to the terma, I don't need to have one more stop to go to Copacabana, yes I know but you can always book many train trips in advance so don't need to go to the desk and line up, if there re always train coming, because they have to terminate their path. From Carioca to leme by taxi is only 28. From Uruguayan is 32 reais. With uber 16 to 20 reais more or less.

Rio is not Tokyo, but the subway in Rio de Janeiro work very well. Other transports in Rio really suck, I often go to carioca around 11:55, and I take the subway and arrive in copacabana around 12:20. The trains continue working, because they have to finish their path, but the desks and the door are closed at 12. Yes like everywhere we have to go earlier, not only in Rio. I just said the subway closes at 12 so after midnight it is no use going to the metro. This problem is not only in Rio de Janeiro, Even in Tokyo if you don't go early you might miss the train because the line is fucking long in Tokyo.

P.S. Not a big deal.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2077543]Carioca is closer to 4 by4, cancun and 502.

Uruguaiana is closer to MV30 and T31.

My info is corect, the subway close at 12 , that means there are still metros running but the desks are closed and the door is closed at 12:00. 4 by4 is only 5 - 6 minutes from Carioca by foot. Centro is safe. Just avoid empty places. Around 10 pm, the streets start being empty.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure 4 x4 is closer to Uruguaiana station.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2077585]Pretty sure 4 x4 is closer to Uruguaiana station.[/QUOTE]I always take the subway in Carioca, the way is more or less the same, the carioca is only 5 minutes from 4 by 4, I know it I went to 4 by 4 50 times only for this trip from June to August.

Not a big deal. You want to take the subway in Uruguayan, just take it, I take the subway and also get off in carioca.

Now I am in Sao Paulo enjoying UBER.

Not big deal.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2077494]Some of your information is NOT correct. The metro / trains stop running after 12.00. If a guy wants to take the train, last train will be around 11.50. You should leave 4 x4 by 11.35 to be sure.

AND, from 4 x4, go to Metr Uruguaiana. It is only 5 minutes from 4 x4. Carioca station is a 10 minute walk from 4 x4.

In regards to safety, I find centro to be just as safe as most big cities in the USA. If Mrusa plans to use UBER, then don't worry, you are good to go. It's cheap and convenient. Order the UBER after your shower and wait outside.[/QUOTE]Thank you. Yes, I plan to only take the UBER or taxi. Around 11 to 12 mid-night, simply take the taxi and get home. Want to avoid any unnecessary risks.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2077548]With Uber I paid 42 reais from Copacabana to the airport. I never took uber from the airport, the cab is more expensive that's why it is better to only take the official taxi that use a counter.[/QUOTE]Should I exchange US dollars for Brazilian real at the airport when I arrive?

[QUOTE=Wantoknow;2078014]Should I exchange US dollars for Brazilian real at the airport when I arrive?[/QUOTE]Absolutely not or else you will receive your first fucking of the trip right there at the airport.

[QUOTE=Wantoknow;2078014]Should I exchange US dollars for Brazilian real at the airport when I arrive?[/QUOTE]Get only enough reals to get you to where you're going and tide you over until you can go to an ATM or money exchange place there.

[QUOTE=Wantoknow;2078014]Should I exchange US dollars for Brazilian real at the airport when I arrive?[/QUOTE]Hell no they will rob you blind. I remember when the real was 4 to 1 and they were only giving 3. 25 R to $1.00. So I could only image now.

My next trip to Rio I plan on staying near Copa. Any suggestions on a money exchanger near?

[QUOTE=Wantoknow;2078014]Should I exchange US dollars for Brazilian real at the airport when I arrive?[/QUOTE]The best place to change money if you have dollars or euros is (Avenida nossa Sra. Copacabana, 371.). Ex if today is 1 dollar for 3.16 officially on [URL]www.xe.com[/URL], they will buy you 3.26 for 1 dollar and they will sell 1 dollar for 3.30. They always add 0. 10 reais over the official amount for every dollar, so if you change 100 dollars, you receive 326 reais instead of 316 reais (official amount today).

Just change in your home country the money you need to use for the first day.

Changing money in the airport is not interesting. They sell reais more expensive and you also have to pay taxes.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2078085]My next trip to Rio I plan on staying near Copa. Any suggestions on a money exchanger near?[/QUOTE]Copa is a big place. 8-P.

If you are staying at the west end of the beach (Posto 5) , I have used those on the beach end of rua Xavier de Silveira with no problems.

"Blame it on Rio" behind the parked Chevrolet and "Red walls" on the left hand side.

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Like I said before, my US dollars netted me a better rate than the "official" ([URL]xe.com[/URL]) rate.

That was not the case with my home country Euros.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2078034]Absolutely not or else you will receive your first fucking of the trip right there at the airport.[/QUOTE]Great advice. You are such a wonderful contributor to the forum.

The guy is looking for information! If he shouldn't change it at the airport tell him where to change it. How about providing a suggestion instead of being a dumbass?

[QUOTE=Wantoknow;2078014]Should I exchange US dollars for Brazilian real at the airport when I arrive?[/QUOTE]If you are not familiar with Rio, only change about $30 bucks at the airport. Just enough to get you to your hotel area. Later, you can change money at an exchange and get a better rate.

Alternatively, you can change the 30 dollars in the states before you fly out.

If you need to know where to change money after arrival in Copa or in Centro, tell me where you are staying and I can tell you where to change money. Been going there for 11 years.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2078054]Get only enough reals to get you to where you're going and tide you over until you can go to an ATM or money exchange place there.[/QUOTE]GREAT reply! Way to help out a guy in need. Unlike the other smart asses on here.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2078363]We can't fix stupid.

This guy will have newbies walking over centro for nothing. Unbelievable.[/QUOTE]Lets call you king of the experts, Do you like to attack everybody's post. The carioca subway is only 5 - 6 minutes from 4 by 4, it is not far by foot. You speak good Portuguese, you go to 4 by 4 all the time, you know the subway very well, all newbies must listen to you. I don't care if people don't follow my advise because it is not my problem. Again you are right everybody must follow your advise and go to Uruguayan and they will gain 30 seconds walk and one more stop for Copacabana. P.S. When it is 11.30 I just take the fucking uber. I don't have time for subway. Everybody can use the small empty streets leading to Uruguaina. It is very safe at 11 pm.

You are right, we can't fix stupid, better to give up so I give up.

Not a big deal now attack other posts in other sections. Because any attack to my post won't be responded Because I am waving the white flag. You are right. Again you are right again newbies must follow your advise.

[QUOTE=Wantoknow;2078014]Should I exchange US dollars for Brazilian real at the airport when I arrive?[/QUOTE]If you come very late at night, You really need to change money, there is bar that is open at night they change reais for dollars. The same rate as the official amount. On [URL]www.xe.com[/URL] and most change agencies.

If today is 3.15 they will give you 3.15. It is in Prado Junnior next to Mabs, the name of the bar: O crack dos galetos it is open very late at night. Because late at night all the change agencies are closed.

In the day, the best place to change money if you have dollars is (Avenida nossa Sra. Copacabana, 371.). They always add 0. 10 reais that means if today 1 dollar is 3. 15 they will give you 3. 25.

Most other agencies will give you the same rate as [URL]www.xe.com[/URL].

If you give info what time you come to Brazil where you stay in Copacabana, your answer will be better answered.

When you arrive in Rio de Janeiro, you want to save up more money, it is better to take the bus. It is only 16 reais ([URL]http://www.riogaleao.com/transportes-e-estacionamento/onibus/[/URL]). There is WiFi and air conditioner in the bus. The driver will put your luggage in the boot, he will give you a paper so that you give it back to him when you get your luggage back. Just tell the driver where you want to get off. When he arrives close to the place he will call you.

If you don't want to bother taking the bus and you prefer to take a taxi, just take the official taxi in the airport. When you exit there are many official taxis that line up. Always ask the driver to use the counter.

Avoid any guy in the airport that try to offer you a taxi service, you can get ripped off by them. Their work is to find their suckers.

P.S. I haven't been living in Rio de Janeiro for a long time, but I learnt from experience when I travel to Brazil, I have been travelling to Brazil for 5 years. I speak Portuguese like Portuguese people. I always try to speak as Brazilian as possible. Many Brazilians think I am from Brazil when I speak Portuguese that's why my experience is different.

Don't forget, being expatriate, a retired and a simple tourist or a local are 4 different things. I mean if you only stay one or few weeks in Rio de Janeiro don't be cheap for few dollars, just pay good service and don't throw money for shit and have the best experience of your life and don't let people to rip you off before going back to the USA for work. You travel miles to fuck the best quality girls not the average girls you see in your daily life. If you stay as a retired or expatriate I can't advise you I am not an expatriate or retired in Brazil, I can only advise you as a expatriate in Japan or sex tourist in Brazil.

Every taste and experience is different, so just take the most useful info for you. Some people prefer 4 by 4, some prefer Cancun or other termas, some VM or trash clubs.

I just share my experience. Follow it or not, it is up to you take the most useful info to you. I don't have to tell you what is the best for you because I am not you.

Enjoy as much as possible in Rio de Janeiro and report your experience later so that the forum get updated everyday.

I am Quebecois (Canada). So sorry for my English.

[QUOTE=Wantoknow;2078014]Should I exchange US dollars for Brazilian real at the airport when I arrive?[/QUOTE]When you arrive in Rio, you can use ATM, you will pay 24 reais fee to the Brazilian bank.

When I changed, when I had no reais with Me, I paid 24 Reais to the Brazilian bank, 1% of the amount I withdrawn for the change fee, and 3 dollars for the withdrawal. We all have different banks so the fees will be different to you, everyday rate changes.

Just change few dollars in the USA, Take 100 reais it is all you need even less like 80 reais for the taxi. . From my experience, I only bring 16 reais for the bus when I arrive in the day I change in avenida nossa sra de Copacabana when I arrive at night I change the dollars I need for the night in prado junior.

The official taxi cost around 65 and 80 reais from the airport to Copacabana. (depends on the day time).

You can also use radio taxi that are inside the airport that cost around 100 reais and 130 reais, depends on the company, you can book before you arrive in Rio de Janeiro with your card.

I never took uber from the airport to copacabana. I only took uber from copacabana to the airport, it is around 38 -42 reais. Because I can't call uber from the airport, uber is not allowed to pick at GIC (rio de janeiro airport).

Enjoy Rio and don't forget to report later.

Anyone here mongered in Africa? Former Portuguese colonies, or Portugal speaking countries thereof?

Anyone mongered in Portugal.

One of my GDP mini relationships is headed over there, and I plan to take her bullfighting in Spain.

Now, as I said, this is all so pedestrian. Has anyone here hired an escort to say, seduce a non pro? Like, pick out a rich college girl, and get a bisexual hot girl to seduce her into a summer threesome in Buzios where the summer lovers impregnate the rich girl.

Financial planning 101: knock up a rich girl without a prenup.

Now that is a mongering level of difficulty that would be worth achieving!

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2078368]If you are not familiar with Rio, only change about $30 bucks at the airport. Just enough to get you to your hotel area. Later, you can change money at an exchange and get a better rate.

Alternatively, you can change the 30 dollars in the states before you fly out.

If you need to know where to change money after arrival in Copa or in Centro, tell me where you are staying and I can tell you where to change money. Been going there for 11 years.[/QUOTE]Your helpful info is very much appreciated. I will be staying at Arena Copacabana Hotel. Where are the money exchange places nearby? With all the other great info regarding t31,502, Florida, t56 and 4 x4, I am looking forward to my first trip to Rio. Thank you all.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2078365]Great advice. You are such a wonderful contributor to the forum.

The guy is looking for information! If he shouldn't change it at the airport TELL him where to change it. How about providing a suggestion instead of being a dumbass!?[/QUOTE]That's twice you had some smart shit to say to me when I was speaking to another board member. Not sure what your issue is, but I will email you directly so we can talk like men. I don't play the tough guy act behind a keyboard!!

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2078408]Anyone here mongered in Africa? Former Portuguese colonies, or Portugal speaking countries thereof?

Anyone mongered in Portugal.

One of my GDP mini relationships is headed over there, and I plan to take her bullfighting in Spain.

Now, as I said, this is all so pedestrian. Has anyone here hired an escort to say, seduce a non pro? Like, pick out a rich college girl, and get a bisexual hot girl to seduce her into a summer threesome in Buzios where the summer lovers impregnate the rich girl.

Financial planning 101: knock up a rich girl without a prenup.

Now that is a mongering level of difficulty that would be worth achieving![/QUOTE]I used to live in Portugal 2 years and speak Portuguese like Portuguese People, last year I was in Portugal 3 weeks, I've never had trouble picking up regulars in Portugal, Portugal is one of the best places to pick regulars in Europe but it is not the best place to monger in Europe. Portuguese girls are way different than Brazilian girls, Portugal is not a third world country. Don't act like an American jerk because European people are proud people and people have a good living standard. So they don't care if you are from the USA or Canada.

Speaking the local language is the key to success. If you speak, try not to speak like Brazilians. If you are used to Brazilian accent, there are some accents you won't understand, you will think they speak another language. My first time in Brazil, many brazilians had difficulty understanding me.

Life in Portugal is way cheaper than Rio de Janeiro but sex is more expensive than Rio de Janeiro. One hour is 150 euro.

I've never been to Africa and never been interested in mongering in Africa, so I can't tell you.

If you want more info about Portugal, it is better to to go the Portugal section.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2078408]Anyone here mongered in Africa? Former Portuguese colonies, or Portugal speaking countries thereof?[/QUOTE]The Macau board used to have some good info, and Macau at least used to be a pretty good place. It's more Saunas (think termas) and fishbowl-type places and freelancers, but if you're over that way, it was worth a look. (Note this is a response to "Former Portuguese colonies" not Africa, obviously)

[QUOTE=Komo753;2078385]If you come very late at night, You really need to change money, there is bar that is open at night they change reais for dollars. The same rate as the official amount. On [URL]www.xe.com[/URL] and most change agencies.

If today is 3.15 they will give you 3.15. It is in Prado Junnior next to Mabs, the name of the bar: O crack dos galetos it is open very late at night. Because late at night all the change agencies are closed.

In the day, the best place to change money if you have dollars is (Avenida nossa Sra. Copacabana, 371.). They always add 0. 10 reais that means if today 1 dollar is 3. 15 they will give you 3. 25.

Most other agencies will give you the same rate as [URL]www.xe.com[/URL].

If you give info what time you come to Brazil where you stay in Copacabana, your answer will be better answered.

When you arrive in Rio de Janeiro, you want to save up more money, it is better to take the bus. It is only 16 reais ([URL]http://www.riogaleao.com/transportes-e-estacionamento/onibus/[/URL]). There is WiFi and air conditioner in the bus. The driver will put your luggage in the boot, he will give you a paper so that you give it back to him when you get your luggage back. Just tell the driver where you want to get off. When he arrives close to the place he will call you.

If you don't want to bother taking the bus and you prefer to take a taxi, just take the official taxi in the airport. When you exit there are many official taxis that line up. Always ask the driver to use the counter.

Avoid any guy in the airport that try to offer you a taxi service, you can get ripped off by them. Their work is to find their suckers.

P.S. I haven't been living in Rio de Janeiro for a long time, but I learnt from experience when I travel to Brazil, I have been travelling to Brazil for 5 years. I speak Portuguese like Portuguese people. I always try to speak as Brazilian as possible. Many Brazilians think I am from Brazil when I speak Portuguese that's why my experience is different.

Don't forget, being expatriate, a retired and a simple tourist or a local are 4 different things. I mean if you only stay one or few weeks in Rio de Janeiro don't be cheap for few dollars, just pay good service and don't throw money for shit and have the best experience of your life and don't let people to rip you off before going back to the USA for work. You travel miles to fuck the best quality girls not the average girls you see in your daily life. If you stay as a retired or expatriate I can't advise you I am not an expatriate or retired in Brazil, I can only advise you as a expatriate in Japan or sex tourist in Brazil.

Every taste and experience is different, so just take the most useful info for you. Some people prefer 4 by 4, some prefer Cancun or other termas, some VM or trash clubs.

I just share my experience. Follow it or not, it is up to you take the most useful info to you. I don't have to tell you what is the best for you because I am not you.

Enjoy as much as possible in Rio de Janeiro and report your experience later so that the forum get updated everyday.

I am Quebecois (Canada). So sorry for my English.[/QUOTE]Very helpful info. I should be arriving Rio airport at around 2 pm. I will be staying at either Arena Copacabana Hotel or Best Western Plus Copacabana Design Hotel. I certainly will file a FR after my trip.

[QUOTE=Wantoknow;2078808]Very helpful info. I should be arriving Rio airport at around 2 pm. I will be staying at either Arena Copacabana Hotel or Best Western Plus Copacabana Design Hotel. I certainly will file a FR after my trip.[/QUOTE]Beware of Arena hotel in Copa! Definitly NOT GF. I've booked there for 4 nights 3 years ago, but only stayed one, after reception told me that my (very decent) GF was not registered while checking in, and she had to move before 6 am.

So I've been the last 4 months in Buzios. Arrail do Cabo to exact, helping to run a posada.

One former and again dupla partner working girls out the 18 yo for some weed, packed a lengthy supply of Ca vapes, eating fresh fish we catch.

Any other folks from the board out here? One mini relationship is with a girl whose family lives in Arrail do Cabo, a Vascaina; and with another Vascaina. As yet, I haven't done Vasco x Vasco, but, it would be quite fun. May have to.

Pricing out geopolitical risk, here, hoping for a nuclear exchange up North to spike up my vix call options.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;2079261]Beware of Arena hotel in Copa! Definitly NOT GF. I've booked there for 4 nights 3 years ago, but only stayed one, after reception told me that my (very decent) GF was not registered while checking in, and she had to move before 6 am.[/QUOTE]Appreciate the info. I have booked Best Western Plus Copacabana Hotel for 2 guests. Is it GF? Does it close to t31,502nd Florida? Will the taxi driver or Uber know how to get there as I don't have any of their address? I just read that there are 5 best hotels for girls: Praia Lido Hotel, Hotel Atlantico Copacabana, Promenade Princess Copacabana, Mercure Rio de Janeiro Botafogo and a love hotel called Jumbo Hotel.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2078368]If you are not familiar with Rio, only change about $30 bucks at the airport. Just enough to get you to your hotel area. Later, you can change money at an exchange and get a better rate.

Alternatively, you can change the 30 dollars in the states before you fly out.

If you need to know where to change money after arrival in Copa or in Centro, tell me where you are staying and I can tell you where to change money. Been going there for 11 years.[/QUOTE]Do you know where to change money near Hotel Atlantico Travel Copacabana? Is it better to take a radio taxi or the taxis outside the airport? What's the difference?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Wantoknow;2079500]Appreciate the info. I have booked Best Western Plus Copacabana Hotel for 2 guests. Is it GF? Does it close to t31,502nd Florida? Will the taxi driver or Uber know how to get there as I don't have any of their address? I just read that there are 5 best hotels for girls: Praia Lido Hotel, Hotel Atlantico Copacabana, Promenade Princess Copacabana, Mercure Rio de Janeiro Botafogo and a love hotel called Jumbo Hotel.[/QUOTE]Here are a few addresses to get you started:

Club 31: Rua Alcantara Machado 31, Centro.

Terma 502: Rua the Alfandega 65, Centro.

Florida: Praca Maua 9, Centro.

MV 30: Rua Mayrink Veiga 30, Centro.

4 x4: Rua Buenas Aires 44, Centro.

Cancun: Rua Do Carmo 64, Centro.

Terma 81, Rua the Quintanda, Centro.

The above are all in Centro and within walking distance of each other, but here are the ones closer to where you are staying in Copa:

Monte Carlo: Rua Hilario de Gouveia 19, Copacabana.

Eden Spa: Ave Nossa Senhora de Copacabana 583, # 401, Copacabana.

Delirio Spa (sp): Rua Hilario de Gouveia 66, # 201, Copacabana.

Dare I suggest Mabs for night time action (LOL), which is located at the corner of Atlantico (the main drag along the beach) and Prado Jr.

I can go on and on with different spots, but these are a start.

By the way, the Praia Lido Hotel has been closed for about a year now.

Enjoy your trip, but read up some more for more info or RTFF as they say.

[QUOTE=Wantoknow;2079500]Appreciate the info. I have booked Best Western Plus Copacabana Hotel for 2 guests. Is it GF? Does it close to t31,502nd Florida? Will the taxi driver or Uber know how to get there as I don't have any of their address? I just read that there are 5 best hotels for girls: Praia Lido Hotel, Hotel Atlantico Copacabana, Promenade Princess Copacabana, Mercure Rio de Janeiro Botafogo and a love hotel called Jumbo Hotel.[/QUOTE]Dude all the love motels are designed for this.

I already posted Best Western is GF. Your list omitted Hotel Ibis chain all over Rio and Brazil.

Take uber and in future punch in name of boate / terma on google and address magically will pop up.

[QUOTE=TheBuilder;2079518]Do you know where to change money near Hotel Atlantico Travel Copacabana? Is it better to take a radio taxi or the taxis outside the airport? What's the difference?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Take taxi outside airport that runs on meter.

Will cost half the price.

[QUOTE=Ee2002;2079566]Here are a few addresses to get you started:

Club 31: Rua Alcantara Machado 31, Centro.

Terma 502: Rua the Alfandega 65, Centro.

Florida: Praca Maua 9, Centro.

MV 30: Rua Mayrink Veiga 30, Centro.

4 x4: Rua Buenas Aires 44, Centro.

Cancun: Rua Do Carmo 64, Centro.

Terma 81, Rua the Quintanda, Centro.

The above are all in Centro and within walking distance of each other, but here are the ones closer to where you are staying in Copa:

Monte Carlo: Rua Hilario de Gouveia 19, Copacabana.

Eden Spa: Ave Nossa Senhora de Copacabana 583, # 401, Copacabana.

Delirio Spa (sp): Rua Hilario de Gouveia 66, # 201, Copacabana.

Dare I suggest Mabs for night time action (LOL), which is located at the corner of Atlantico (the main drag along the beach) and Prado Jr.

I can go on and on with different spots, but these are a start.

By the way, the Praia Lido Hotel has been closed for about a year now.

Enjoy your trip, but read up some more for more info or RTFF as they say.[/QUOTE]Appreciate very much for your info. This forum has been terrific. I am looking forward to my upcoming trip.

[QUOTE=Wantoknow;2078477]Your helpful info is very much appreciated. I will be staying at Arena Copacabana Hotel. Where are the money exchange places nearby? Thank you all.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=TheBuilder;2079518]Do you know where to change money near Hotel Atlantico Travel Copacabana? Is it better to take a radio taxi or the taxis outside the airport? What's the difference? Thanks.[/QUOTE]From Atlantico, exit your hotel and walk to the left on Siqueira Campos. You will find an exchange on the left. Open til about 6 pm.

Taxi. You can try Uber. About 45 reals. Otherwise only take a taxi with a meter. And make sure they use the meter. I think a metered taxi will run about 80 reals if I recall correctly.

From Arena hotel, go up to NS Copa and turn right. Walk to the next block Republica do Peru. Just as you pass over Peru about 20 m there is a small street on the left. Look left and you will see a money exchange near a Salon. This one is open late til about 10 pm.

Otherwise, if you are going to take the metro to Centro before 6 pm, use the exchange on Siq. Campos.

I was in Rio just last week and made the mistake of going to Dolce Vita for a night. Ordered 6 beers all night and when I went to check out. The tab indicated 8. They have been overcharging all the men at this club and I was with a friend and she told me that this has been going on for awhile. Beware and do not patronize this establishment!

Outside of FuckAfMedDig and Larry David, I'm curious if anyone has had recent success on Tinder or the Cupid sites or similar in Brazil with non-pros-- and if so, how did you do it? I'm talking about ultimately getting girls to meet up for a drink / bite, and taking it from there.

I've had very low success on Tinder in Rio and not been able to get anyone to meet up, as BR girls (esp. Rio) hate to plan and I need to plan during the week due to work. Also having to move thru the banal coversations on the app, then to Whatsapp, etc. Is a pain in the ass. And of course I'm unwilling to travel to Niteroi or far into Zona Norte for a first meet, my perspective is there are better places I know in Ipanema / Botafogo anyway (and easily reached by metro). Then again, I kind of feel going to them on a first meet is way too thirsty. I'm the prize, baby! .

Anyway, looking for solid real info not opinions. If you have had recent success. Feel free to PM me if you don't want to post. Thanks.

-Cartman.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2082430]Outside of FuckAfMedDig and Larry David, I'm curious if anyone has had recent success on Tinder or the Cupid sites or similar in Brazil with non-pros-- and if so, how did you do it? I'm talking about ultimately getting girls to meet up for a drink / bite, and taking it from there.[/QUOTE]I have been using Cupid since 2005. Most of the regular chicks that I have met over the years have been from there. Next month I have a chick coming from Mato Grosso to spend a few days with me in Rio. It is a 20 hour bus ride from her city to Goiania, which is the closest place with an airport. WTF!

There is no secret. It is just like meeting people anywhere else. Trade information then meet up. Some chicks say well I need to get to know you first. I tell them how stupid that sounds. If you met someone at the grocery store and exchanged numbers you would not say let's go home and send each other messages to get to know each other before we go out.

It is best to meet as soon as possible to know if you like each other and have chemistry. A friend of mine in Colombia has a friend who met an Australian guy online. They talked about getting married etc. He finally went to Colombia during his vacation and what he didn't know was that she had a weird walk because of a birth defect. He would not see her the rest of his vacation. All that time and money wasted. That is why I insist on meeting in person ASAP and will have back ups on deck.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2082446]I have been using Cupid since 2005. Most of the regular chicks that I have met over the years have been from there. Next month I have a chick coming from Mato Grosso to spend a few days with me in Rio. It is a 20 hour bus ride from her city to Goiania, which is the closest place with an airport. WTF!

There is no secret. It is just like meeting people anywhere else. Trade information then meet up. Some chicks say well I need to get to know you first. I tell them how stupid that sounds. If you met someone at the grocery store and exchanged numbers you would not say let's go home and send each other messages to get to know each other before we go out.

It is best to meet as soon as possible to know if you like each other and have chemistry. A friend of mine in Colombia has a friend who met an Australian guy online. They talked about getting married etc. He finally went to Colombia during his vacation and what he didn't know was that she had a weird walk because of a birth defect. He would not see her the rest of his vacation. All that time and money wasted. That is why I insist on meeting in person ASAP and will have back ups on deck.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, and I always am trying to push right away for meeting for a drink*. What I find is a lot of scheduling issues and flakes, even 1-2 hours before appointed times (after hand-holding them via whatsapp for 2-3 days prior to confirm). I also find most of the conversations via Tinder or in-app (Cupid) are just like pulling teeth, or the girls are boring as all fuck. And as mentioned, a lot of resistance from the Niteroi and Zona Norte girls to come to Zona Sul -- and yes, I could go up there, but frankly I don't want to (feels like putting the bucetinha on a pedestal).

What's your success ratio? Is it back to being a numbers game -- write to 50, have 10 reply, and maybe get 1 meet-up in person?

With the Mato Grosso girl, how long were you chatting with her via whatsapp or Cupid before you wanted to bring her to meet you (or she wanted to come)? Did you have to video chat / Skype?

Also curious what your openers are on Cupid etc that get good responses. Thanks for sharing!

* Best story: per Tinder, asked a girl if she wanted to get a drink after work during the week. She replied saying "I got laid off from my job. " My reply: "Well, technically ever day is 'after work' now, right?" Her reply: .

* Second best story: Tinder or Cupid with a girl from Manaus. Sometimes I like to ask provocative things just to see if the girl is any fun, especially if her replies have been somewhat monsyllabic. "So. Is it true everyone who lives in Manaus has a pet jaguar? " Her reply: (indignant, long the lines of) "that's not funny, we're not all savages and natives. " eeee. Someone has issues (might be me).

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2082453]With the Mato Grosso girl, how long were you chatting with her via whatsapp or Cupid before you wanted to bring her to meet you (or she wanted to come)? Did you have to video chat / Skype?

Also curious what your openers are on Cupid etc that get good responses. Thanks for sharing![/QUOTE]EC I think what your problem is is that you live there. I have been online dating since there was an online to be on. I have noticed that in general it is easier to get normal chicks online when you don't live in the place you are trying to get them. If you are coming from somewhere else you are seen as mysterious and intriguing, whereas if you are already there you are just status quo.

The first thing I do is click the interest. If I get interest back or if a chick has already clicked interest for me then I write, "Hello. What are you doing?" Then I just let things flow from there. It seems that you like to joke around the same as me. And you have also noticed that a lot of chicks have deep seated issues. The smallest thing or misunderstanding will set them off.

Even still I have no issues being real with them. One of my pet peeves is these chicks saying they are the mother and father for their kid. I tell them that is stupid. You are a female. You can not be a father. You are only a mother. You do not hear men saying dumb shit like they are the father and the mother because the shit is not true. The last chick in Rio that I told that to is all over me now. After that initial chat she stopped talking to me. The next time I spoke to her she said it was obvious that I did not like her. I told her that I like her, but I did not need to bullshit her around in order to fuck her. I am going to tell her the truth as I see it. She is like well if you could talk to me like that I guess the things you say are the truth.

Instantly me and the chick in MT went to whatsapp video call. The shit was fucked up because she had Cuiaba in her profile so I am thinking it would be an easy trip to go see her there. Find out she lives in the middle of bum fuck. She is a school lunch lady. The finest one that I ever saw. There was no way I was getting on a bus for 20 hours so I told her to meet me in Rio. She could not get away until school is out in October. At 500 reais the damn bus ticket to Goiania round trip is just as much as the round trip flight from Goiania at 520 reais. She will pay for the bus and I bought her ticket for the flight.

She is always sending me webcam videos and wanting to do cam sex. I am not really into that though so I always tell her I am too tired.

Agora eu vou me depilar. Você vai querer até passar a língua. Porque eu também vou querer chupar você. Eu quero que você faz assim comigo por trás. Nos fazemos um vídeo juntos.

Rio chick: Tbm Acho que andão faço seu estilo. Voce me criticou um pouquinho them relação a isso lembra. Por mais que a verdade doa e melhor sempre a verdade. Achei isso.

Voce e muito direto.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2082488]EC I think what your problem is is that you live there. I have been online dating since there was an online to be on. I have noticed that in general it is easier to get normal chicks online when you don't live in the place you are trying to get them. If you are coming from somewhere else you are seen as mysterious and intriguing, whereas if you are already there you are just status quo.

The first thing I do is click the interest. If I get interest back or if a chick has already clicked interest for me then I write, "Hello. What are you doing?" Then I just let things flow from there. It seems that you like to joke around the same as me. And you have also noticed that a lot of chicks have deep seated issues. The smallest thing or misunderstanding will set them off.

Even still I have no issues being real with them. One of my pet peeves is these chicks saying they are the mother and father for their kid. I tell them that is stupid. You are a female. You can not be a father. You are only a mother. You do not hear men saying dumb shit like they are the father and the mother because the shit is not true. The last chick in Rio that I told that to is all over me now. After that initial chat she stopped talking to me. The next time I spoke to her she said it was obvious that I did not like her. I told her that I like her, but I did not need to bullshit her around in order to fuck her. I am going to tell her the truth as I see it. She is like well if you could talk to me like that I guess the things you say are the truth.

Instantly me and the chick in MT went to whatsapp video call. The shit was fucked up because she had Cuiaba in her profile so I am thinking it would be an easy trip to go see her there. Find out she lives in the middle of bum fuck. She is a school lunch lady. The finest one that I ever saw. There was no way I was getting on a bus for 20 hours so I told her to meet me in Rio. She could not get away until school is out in October. At 500 reais the damn bus ticket to Goiania round trip is just as much as the round trip flight from Goiania at 520 reais. She will pay for the bus and I bought her ticket for the flight.

She is always sending me webcam videos and wanting to do cam sex. I am not really into that though so I always tell her I am too tired.

Agora eu vou me depilar. Voc vai querer at passar a lngua. Porque eu tambm vou querer chupar voc. Eu quero que voc faz assim comigo por trs. Nos fazemos um vdeo juntos.

Rio chick: Tbm Acho que ando fao seu estilo. Voce me criticou um pouquinho them relao a isso lembra. Por mais que a verdade doa e melhor sempre a verdade. Achei isso.

Voce e muito direto.[/QUOTE]Thanks, MrEnt.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2082430]Outside of FuckAfMedDig and Larry David, I'm curious if anyone has had recent success on Tinder or the Cupid sites or similar in Brazil with non-pros-- and if so, how did you do it? I'm talking about ultimately getting girls to meet up for a drink / bite, and taking it from there.

I've had very low success on Tinder in Rio and not been able to get anyone to meet up, as BR girls (esp. Rio) hate to plan and I need to plan during the week due to work. Also having to move thru the banal coversations on the app, then to Whatsapp, etc. Is a pain in the ass. And of course I'm unwilling to travel to Niteroi or far into Zona Norte for a first meet, my perspective is there are better places I know in Ipanema / Botafogo anyway (and easily reached by metro). Then again, I kind of feel going to them on a first meet is way too thirsty. I'm the prize, baby! .

Anyway, looking for solid real info not opinions. If you have had recent success. Feel free to PM me if you don't want to post. Thanks.

-Cartman.[/QUOTE]I can't talk about Brazil, I was using Japancupid last year. I met an Australian girl. We talked each other for 3 week before we meet up. She was good looking but the problem is she had a mental problem since then I stopped using Japancupid. When we met each other, I was happy everything was normal. We walked around the Yoyogi park and the fashion district (Shibuya). After that we went to an Irish pub we stayed almost all night. She went home because she was tired. There are many crazy people on website you never know who you are going to meet.

We met up again, the meeting spot was a restaurant. Everything was good in the beginning after one hour she made me feel ashamed in public. She insulted people around us, she was homesick, I think she was unhappy to be away from her country and tired of Japanese people. She always talked shit. She threw stuff at the staff in the restaurant, the staff kicked her out of the restaurant and asked me to leave the restaurant, when we were outside she started insulting me and tried hitting me because I did not react. Sometimes you must be careful of the girls on dating sites. Not only physically but also mentally. Dating website is like hit or miss, there are many girls with mental issue. I left since then I stopped using Japancupid because Japancupid was a waste of time. I prefer using Tinder you can meet up with girls for drink very fast. If you don't like her or she doesn't like you. (not a big deal) because you can meet other girls. Tinder works very well in Japan. I prefer tinder because you meet girls living next to your place and I don't need to travel miles to meet a girl. It is harder meeting girls near your place.

I never used dating website when I am in Brazil because I don't like to waste my time just finding one pussy, I am here to fuck as many girls as possible. The only regulars I found are the girls I met in the regular nightclubs.

I find Sao Paulo to be easier to meet regulars than Rio de Janeiro. From experience, I prefer meeting girls in person first to chatting to a girl behind a computer. Because you never know what you will have. Ex: like escort websites. The only difference is you waste your time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2082488]EC I think what your problem is is that you live there. I have been online dating since there was an online to be on. I have noticed that in general it is easier to get normal chicks online when you don't live in the place you are trying to get them. If you are coming from somewhere else you are seen as mysterious and intriguing, whereas if you are already there you are just status quo.

The first thing I do is click the interest. If I get interest back or if a chick has already clicked interest for me then I write, "Hello. What are you doing?" Then I just let things flow from there. It seems that you like to joke around the same as me. And you have also noticed that a lot of chicks have deep seated issues. The smallest thing or misunderstanding will set them off.

Even still I have no issues being real with them. One of my pet peeves is these chicks saying they are the mother and father for their kid. I tell them that is stupid. You are a female. You can not be a father. You are only a mother. You do not hear men saying dumb shit like they are the father and the mother because the shit is not true. The last chick in Rio that I told that to is all over me now. After that initial chat she stopped talking to me. The next time I spoke to her she said it was obvious that I did not like her. I told her that I like her, but I did not need to bullshit her around in order to fuck her. I am going to tell her the truth as I see it. She is like well if you could talk to me like that I guess the things you say are the truth.

Instantly me and the chick in MT went to whatsapp video call. The shit was fucked up because she had Cuiaba in her profile so I am thinking it would be an easy trip to go see her there. Find out she lives in the middle of bum fuck. She is a school lunch lady. The finest one that I ever saw. There was no way I was getting on a bus for 20 hours so I told her to meet me in Rio. She could not get away until school is out in October. At 500 reais the damn bus ticket to Goiania round trip is just as much as the round trip flight from Goiania at 520 reais. She will pay for the bus and I bought her ticket for the flight.

She is always sending me webcam videos and wanting to do cam sex. I am not really into that though so I always tell her I am too tired.

Agora eu vou me depilar. Voc vai querer at passar a lngua. Porque eu tambm vou querer chupar voc. Eu quero que voc faz assim comigo por trs. Nos fazemos um vdeo juntos.

Rio chick: Tbm Acho que ando fao seu estilo. Voce me criticou um pouquinho them relao a isso lembra. Por mais que a verdade doa e melhor sempre a verdade. Achei isso.

Voce e muito direto.[/QUOTE]I have to offer a different perspective and let me make it clear that there are many ways to succeed on Cupid as illustrated by mr E etc-.

It depends what the girls are loking for.

I put down in live in RIO to avoid the girls who want to try and use me as a launch pad to the world.

If they read my profile they can see I speak different languages so a hint.

Some girls get dissapointed I'm not there full time but maybe realize its cool I live in different spots.

I want to avoid the S on the chest super super gringo tag as I prefer girls whove had less or ideally NO gringo interaction.

I wanna be the first gringo theyve had so i feel ive conquered a local.Take one for the global promo team!lol

Most of them on there if theyve liked me first I just respond with my whatsapp number like hey lets talk there its much easier.

Some require a little chat but many likes can come just from being on there so girls see you were active 2 minutes ago. They think they have a chance then to communicate.

Nothing more depressing than finding the hottest chica on there and to see she hasnt been on in 2 months.

Always move to whatsapp right away-can send photos etc- and I find being sympathetic to Br and its situation always helps and show geniune interest and knowledge.

Always jump on skype ASAP-no need to carry on chattin if no chemistry face to face.

-Or at least -with Facebooks ability to find your whatsapp contacts,you can check out recent photos of her without having to friend her there etc....

Depends what you want.

If it, like me, is Brazil girls with no gringo baggage who are open but prefer someone half brazilian tipo in ways or maybe some look for girls to bring home to US and just local fucks with potential for more.

No one is right or wrong. Abracos.

I think we've all found trying humor on social media a bit challenging at times. You can have this problem with your own friends. Some people think very literally and without the context of in person interaction a joke or sarcasm (good or bad) might not be perceived by the other party.

It helps in English to use LOL, haha or a winking face to indicate you're not being serious. In Brazilian Portuguese, I found people use rs (risos=laughter) and kkkk (=laughs).

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2082753]I think we've all found trying humor on social media a bit challenging at times. You can have this problem with your own friends. Some people think very literally and without the context of in person interaction a joke or sarcasm (good or bad) might not be perceived by the other party.

It helps in English to use LOL, haha or a winking face to indicate you're not being serious. In Brazilian Portuguese, I found people use rs (risos=laughter) and kkkk (=laughs).[/QUOTE]In French, MDR (mort de rire) and in Japanese w (warau). You can use w as many as you want to express your laughs. Ex: wwwwwwwwwwww.

Hit up 4 x 4 my first day although I wasn't feeling great. First girl was Fabiana who was an ex bodybuilder as he ass and thighs were fucking huge with a nice rack. Blonde, tanned and shit this girl could fucking kiss! Was lick a passionate animal and I loved it. Not great English, but we could communicate with my broken spanish. She was surprisingly flexible and ate that pussy til she came so it was like she was falling in love, haha and got a great session for it. Busted in her mouth and we kept going after about 5 minutes for a second nut.

English 3/10.

Looks 7/10.

Body 8/10.

Session 8/10.

Satisfied for sure as I needed an hour to recharge after that.

Next up was Sarah who is a short blonde with a chiseled body and definitely a gym rat. Had a jay line even so maybe she used to hit the steroids or growth hormone as I know many brazilian ladies do or have. Although her body was like a fitness competitor not a bodybuilder. Was trying to get her attention all night and finally had my shot and boom we were off. She didn't speak hardly any English as all, but for what I wanted it wasn't needed).

Instantly put my cock in her mouth and was like a machine, if she only had a hair tie to keep her hair back as I like to relax, but would have nutted had she had one. After about 10 minutes of enjoying that I wanted to lick that pussy and fuck this girl was into it. Like a first timer she didn't let many men lick her it seemed as I was earning my way each minute until she busted and then she did whatever I wanted with energizer bunny enthusiasm. I have been there maybe 10-12 times and have never extended a session from 1 hour to a 2nd hour. We did as I was still rock hard for her. It was a great body, with great passion as this girl could fuck and do it with like nuclear energy! Was happy and got her digits to fuck outside later that week.

English 1/10.

Looks 7/10.

Body 9/10.

Session 9/10.

Always a great time at 4 x 4 and although I didn't see as many all stars as I had in the past I waited out my jewels I wanted and it paid off. It always seems that some douche buys a bottle and has some girls hang around him for like 2 hours or more and can never break in with some all stars. Finally the old fucker takes them to the room for some session, but I never understand why that happens for tipping doesn't happen here. Honestly that is a good thing for consumers as tipping a girl for a session doesn't happen and keeps costs under control.

I hit up solarium for the first time and was disappointed compared to 4 x4. The size obviously is smaller and there were maybe 2 girls I was intersted in out of 25 or so that were there. First with the place being small they should make the girls stand up and not shit together for one, it is better to look at the girls while they are up and dancing, not sitting, for the customers and second it gives you the ability to have one sit next to you that you want. So management tell the girls to stand up unless a customer wants you next to him as space is at a premium.

Saw a beautiful thick muscular blonde Fernanda who had a little english and great tan lines with a firm ass and thighs. After some DFK I couldn't resist as I love this type of girl. Brazilians love the ass / thighs and so do I. She had nice bolt ONS which were in my face while riding me. She didn't have the affection in the room I ideally wanted and brazilians show mostly IMO. Was somewhat mechanical and tried to choreograph the action herself, but I took control and she didn't like it but had to in order to please me. She did have a great ass wow, loved it. Not as affectionate as I wanted, but great body.

English 4/10.

Looks 7/10.

Body 9/10.

Session 5/10.

Waited around for another hour, but couldn't find another who I wanted. Actually liked a couple but they were huddled together talking on the couch the whole fucking time, so fuck it. I left and glad to part ways as their prices were much higher than 4 x4 and no free entrance with a session before 7 like 4 x 4 so will give this place a pass next time.

I signed up for BC like 5-6 years ago for the first time and was active and met a couple girls while in Rio. It was good and proved it's worth. While there I hit 4 x4 and MC. I took this girl from MC to the room and had a pretty good session, huge ass and pretty face actually. I get back on BC the next year ahead of my next trip and talk to a girl who says she works in a strip club (terma basically) and we start chatting and she is hot. When I mention I have been to terma she gets pissed and stop talking, then a month later talk again. She is like wishing she wasn't a working girl and wishing I didn't like working girls, haha it seems. Ahead of the trip we plan on meeting, but a week before she gets pissed as I say I'm going to a terma. We stop talking and I hit MC and 4 x4 and have a great sessions who cares about the BC chick.

The next year I go back to Rio and hit MC one night and this girl approaches me and we go to the room for a great session really. We exchange contact information and the next month we are in touch and I finally figure it out this was the same working girl I have met originally at MC like 6 years before. Talked to on BC without realizing it was the same girl who was pissed I was fucking working girls in termas (although she was one). But saw her again several years later in MC without recognizing her and fucked her again. Only to get her contact information and put it all together that this girl I fucked at MC 6 years ago, randomly found her on BC and almost met, then although I didn't recognize her at MC 6 years later fucked her again. It was only after I got her contact info the most recent time I saw the same pictures I remember on the BC profile of hers and was like WTF? This is the same girl I have met 3 random times previously.

Oh what a world we live in, because she didn't recognize me either. Funny shit.

[QUOTE=CaliMan;2084248]I signed up for BC like 5-6 years ago for the first time and was active and met a couple girls while in Rio. It was good and proved it's worth. While there I hit 4 x4 and MC. I took this girl from MC to the room and had a pretty good session, huge ass and pretty face actually. I get back on BC the next year ahead of my next trip and talk to a girl who says she works in a strip club (terma basically) and we start chatting and she is hot. When I mention I have been to terma she gets pissed and stop talking, then a month later talk again. She is like wishing she wasn't a working girl and wishing I didn't like working girls, haha it seems. Ahead of the trip we plan on meeting, but a week before she gets pissed as I say I'm going to a terma. We stop talking and I hit MC and 4 x4 and have a great sessions who cares about the BC chick.

The next year I go back to Rio and hit MC one night and this girl approaches me and we go to the room for a great session really. We exchange contact information and the next month we are in touch and I finally figure it out this was the same working girl I have met originally at MC like 6 years before. Talked to on BC without realizing it was the same girl who was pissed I was fucking working girls in termas (although she was one)..[/QUOTE]The human brain is a motherfucker. You probably recognised this babe on a subconscious level, but were not aware of it at the time (hence, when it's called the sub-conscious level LOL). I remember my first trip to Rio and going to 4 x 4 for the first time. Saw this stunningly attractive mulata Barbara (see foto), poppa-zunda, tits, and drop dead gorgeous face. Had a double session with her, anal, PSE / GFE, CIM & BBBJ. Made arrangements for her to crash at my flat for the weekend. When I got back home to the States I realised I had seen her on one the videos I used to prep myself for Rio with. HipHopBadGirls of Brasil!

Also, wish I had a dollar for every time I left Helpee with a babe and drunk out of my mind. Then a few days later run into her at Meia Pataca and take her back to the flat thinking she looks familiar! LMAO.

Genesis and Planning.

I had originally considered the possibility of returning to Colombia for my longer, two-week trip this year, but I decided to head further south instead. Rio de Janeiro (RJ) had been on my bucket list for both mongering and non-mongering reasons. RJ struck me as a destination that any serious monger should visit at least once in his lifetime, and that many non-mongers find appealing as well.

Another factor was my desire to shop around more before returning to Colombia. I decided to compare Brazilians to Colombians and see if the former could outshine the latter, as many have suggested that either Colombians or Brazilians are the "A Team" of hookers in the Western Hemisphere. I will thus be comparing the two nationalities throughout this report, as Colombians in general and the Mansion / Facebook chicas of Medellin (MDE) in particular have traditionally been my gold standard.

I had started out in Costa Rica (CR) and the Dominican Republic (DR) and saw how much of an improvement I experienced when I stepped my game up and went to the more challenging environment of Colombia, with less gringo traffic, higher security risks, a longer flight, and the need for greater chica management and foreign language skills. I decided to push the envelope and take things even further by going to Brazil. The target audience for this report is those mongers that have already been to the more accessible Spanish-speaking countries and are considering a more ambitious trip to Brazil.

Given the length and the cost of a trip to the Southern Hemisphere, I decided that I needed a two-week itinerary in order to justify it. I can only monger at full throttle for a week at a time, by which point I have usually exhausted my dick and my libido. I decided to spend the second leg of my trip in Buenos Aires (BA), as that destination had also been on my bucket list for primarily non-mongering reasons. I did a bit of mongering in BA as well, which I will report separately; suffice it to say here that the best chicas that I found in BA were Brazilians. I spent less than $1200 on a LATAM itinerary with three direct flights: JFK to RJ, RJ to BA, and BA to JFK. Given that one could easily pay that much just for the outbound flight to Brazil and the return flight to the USA, I felt that the three direct flights for less than $400 each, two of which were long-haul, cross-hemisphere flights to destinations that fewer North Americans visit, came at a reasonable price. I could have also gotten similar prices if I had taken the second leg of my trip in Manaus (for a tour of the Amazon, with a return flight via Miami) or Fernando de Noronha (an island off the northeastern coast of Brazil with the country's best scuba diving).

It took about three hours to receive my Brazilian visa from the Brazilian consulate in New York, in addition to the time that I spent on the prior online application. The New York consulate does not take appointments but instead issues visas during a two-hour window on most weekday afternoons. There was already a long line when I got there at 1 pm, and I got my visa just before that two-hour window of time ended. It is a good idea to show up early if you want to finish the process that same day.

My pre-trip research indicated that chica-friendly hotels were often hard to find in RJ, and that most mongers accordingly rent apartments instead. I preferred a hotel for security and other reasons, and I planned to conduct most of my sessions on-site anyway. I found that both Copacabana locations of the Ibis hotel chain (Posto 2 and Posto 5) are chica-friendly and inexpensive I booked a room at the Ibis Copacabana Posto 2 for approximately $40 per night. The room was small and basic but of good quality and adequate for my purposes. A (female) receptionist confirmed that they allow (female) guests, but I ultimately did not bring any guests there and had all of my sessions on-site. The breakfast was so-so, but for the low price (20-30 BRL), I cannot complain. I had dinner almost every night at the nearby Churrascaria Palace, an all-you-can eat steakhouse. At approximately 150 BRL per person, it is costly but still well worth the greater expense, in my opinion. The wide range of meat cuts that they served was excellent, and I needed to replenish the large amounts of protein that I was ejaculating.

I gave myself a crash course in Portuguese in preparation for my trip. The most useful material that I found was "Easy Brazilian Portuguese," a series of videos on YouTube. It featured interviews with native Brazilians and subtitles, familiarizing me with real-life speech and clarifying the differences between the written and spoken words (which I found to be one of the main challenges of the language). My prior knowledge of both Spanish and French definitely facilitated this crash course. Beyond the Portuguese language's well-known similarities to Spanish, many of those features that differ from those of Spanish, such as its nasal sounds, are either present in or similar to those of French. I nonetheless found it difficult to understand the girls in the termas, given their often lower levels of education, the noise and overcrowding at some of the termas, and the significant difference between what written Portuguese looks like and what spoken Portuguese sounds like.

A Tour of the Top-Tier Termas.

I had originally planned to limit my mongering to termas and prives / massagems, given my lack of proficiency in Portuguese and the decline of RJ's freelancer scene since the "good old days" of the now-defunct Help. The termas in particular struck me as the best scene overall. The opportunity to "meet & greet" and interview the girls in a safe, controlled environment with fixed prices makes RJ a viable mongering destination for a first-time visitor without solid language skills, whereas the received wisdom is that Colombia is not a suitable destination for a monger who does not speak Spanish.

I revised this plan after my first session in RJ, which was at the Delirio Oriental massagem in Copacabana. This session was a dud due to CBJ and an otherwise half-assed performance by what I thought was a good choice: a tall, olive-skinned blonde who seemed the most affectionate during the brief presentation, and whose name I cannot recall. The casa-style business model has usually not worked as well for me elsewhere (even in MDE), and I had other things that I wanted to do during the day. I thus decided that it was best to focus on the termas, since that business model is unique to Brazil (except perhaps the similar German FKKs). I further narrowed the scope of my mongering after 20 minutes at the cheaper Termas 502, where I found the quality of the talent to be significantly lower than that of the other, top-tier termas that I had already visited. The girls at 502 might have been good choices in Sosua or at the Del Rey, but I did not come all the way to RJ for Sosua or Del Rey quality. The DJ's choice of nothing but Brazilian funk also made it difficult for me to hear myself think, let alone interview the girls properly. I thus decided to restrict myself to the top-tier termas.

I spent seven nights at RJ's 5 top-tier termas, where I had 14 sessions with 13 girls. I returned to one termas for the sheer number of girls and to another termas because I found it to be the best overall. Below are my characterizations of each termas and reviews of the girls with which I had sessions at each one. I have ranked them roughly in order of price, from lowest to highest. I lost my notes and thus cannot recall exact prices and many girls' names; after a week in RJ, I could hardly remember my own name. I will provide as much description as I can and approximate prices as closely as I can recall.

Centro Termas: Cancun and 4 x 4.

Cancun: This termas was the most spacious and had the best session rooms and the most relaxing atmosphere, and the girls there delivered some of the best GFE. Perhaps the calmer atmosphere and more comfortable facilities enhanced the GFE component. I enjoyed it and would have returned if they had a larger talent pool; it probably had the smallest selection of any of the termas that I visited, so I could not justify a repeat visit. The 1 hour sessions cost only 20 BRL more than the 40 minute sessions, so it is worth the slightly higher cost to pay for a longer session, even if you only go for one round. I do not remember the exact prices, but sessions were somewhere north of 300 BRL. I did two girls here:

Manu: She provided the best BBBJ during my visit to RJ and possibly one of the 10-20 best in my entire life. She said that she likes sucking cock, which I initially took with a grain of salt as a sales pitch, but in retrospect I am inclined to believe her. She is a tall white blonde with some silicone in the earliest stages of MILFhood and a very sweet, demure disposition. We discussed the possibility of a session at my hotel but could not work out the scheduling. Photos of her are available upon request. Highly recommended if you don't mind silicone and a woman who is probably in her early 30's.

Can't remember her name: This voluptuous mestiza was a bit thicker than I would have normally chosen but won me over with her enormous bunda, warm smile, and friendly manner. She rode me like a champ as her bunda made booty-smacking sounds that one could probably hear a mile away and finished me off with a head-bobbing BBBJ. I later buried my face in her big natural tits for what seemed like forever. She called me a "safado" when she saw me pulling Manu later that night.

4 x 4: This termas had the largest talent pool of any of the termas by far and the second-hottest girls. I accordingly returned for a second night in order to mine the talent pool further, despite my distaste for the atmosphere. It is very noisy and crowded, to the point that it interferes with one's ability to interview the girls. It attracts a lot of male clients as well, to the point that it reduces the male: female ratio to unfavorable levels. The size of the facility is inadequate for the number of people. I fared well in my initial visit on a Monday night, when it was less crowded. I returned on a Wednesday night, when it was a zoo and my sessions were not as good but still satisfactory. The lack of proper lighting made it harder to inspect the girls thoroughly. As with Cancun, the 1 hour sessions cost only 20 BRL more than the 40 minute sessions and are thus worth the slightly higher price, even if you only go for one round. Sessions were slightly more expensive than those of Cancun. I did four girls here:

Can't remember her name: This Nicole Eggert lookalike with an even more impressive bunda approached me shortly after I entered 4 x 4 for the first time. I have been mongering long enough to know that the girl who approaches you immediately after you enter a venue for the first time is usually one to avoid, but she happened to fit my personal tastes and made a very persuasive sales pitch, which I accepted. The better lighting of the session room revealed that she was a bit older than I had initially thought (early 30's, perhaps), but she delivered a solid and very enthusiastic performance, with some impressive RCG and CIM. She approached me for a repeat when I returned to 4 x 4 later that week, but I declined not because of any dissatisfaction with her, but because I wanted to shop around more.

Can't remember her name: This girl was one of the hottest that I have ever fucked. She said that she was of Lebanese origin. She was tall and thin, with black hair and eyes and ample but proportionately-sized tits and ass. She delivered good service and worked diligently for my second round.

Kiara: I pulled this tall and very Nordic blonde with silicone tits & ass on my second visit to 4 x 4, when we both spotted each other at the same time and our eyes locked on each other. I thought that this initial click and my subsequent interview would lead to good chemistry in the session room, but she lacked GFE and passion. She nonetheless had the physical skills to get the job done well enough.

Charlotte: This Kirsten Dunst lookalike with even larger natural tits & ass, who said that she was of German origin, caught my eye on my first night at 4 x 4, as she paraded around with nothing but stars to cover her nipples. I did not have the opportunity to approach her that night but seized the opportunity to session with her on my second visit. She demonstrated extremely powerful ass and thigh muscles that got the job done as she rode me like a jackrabbit, but the chemistry and GFE were weak as well.

As the two top-tier termas in downtown RJ, Cancun and 4 x 4 are polar opposites. To use a musical analogy, if Cancun is bossa nova, then 4 x 4 is Brazilian funk. I understand, ironically enough, that a former 4 x 4 owner or manager may have left that termas to establish Cancun. Cancun had quality service and atmosphere but not enough talent. 4 x 4 had enough quality talent for two termas, but the atmosphere detracted from the experience and the quality of the service was mixed. In a perfect world, the solution to this problem would be to send some of the excess girls from 4 x 4 to Cancun, which would reduce the overcrowding at 4 x 4 and make Cancun a livelier venue. Barring that, Cancun should hire more girls and 4 x 4 should find a bigger facility or expand their existing one and hire a new DJ.

Zona Sul Termas: Monte Carlo, Solarium, and Centaurus.

Monte Carlo: This termas was the only one to which I returned because of the quality of my previous experience there. I found it to be the best termas overall simply because it was the most balanced and well-rounded and did not suffer from any of the extremes or shortcomings of the other termas. The convenience of its location in Copacabana, where most mongers stay, was a bonus. It costs a bit more than the Centro termas, but less than the other two Zona Sul termas. On both nights, they had an adequate supply of hot girls, a favorable male: female ratio, and a lively but relaxing atmosphere. It is upscale but not pretentious. It is cozy but not crowded. My only complaint is that the rooms and beds for the 40-minute sessions were too small, to the point that they interfered with the girls' performances at times. Monte Carlo was my "sweet spot. " I did three girls here:

Kelly: This mixed girl had the enormous bunda of a girl from a rap video but the cute face and warm, endearing GFE of the girl next door. Her talents include some limited English and the ability to squeeze an empty soda can between her butt cheeks, which she put to good use when she used that same skill on my dick at length. She impressed me enough that I considered a session with her in my hotel room, but we could not work out the scheduling. She introduced me to a friend of hers, with whom I had a separate session later that night (see below). The three of us did a threesome, including girl-on-girl action, when I returned to this termas. Photos of Kelly are available upon request.

Kelly's friend: This lighter-skinned girl was tall and thin, wore distinctive hooker boots, and had this constant facial expression that made it look like she always wanted to fuck. She delivered well in the session room, with sloppy BBBJ and the ability to contract her pussy muscles around my cock at will.

Can't remember her name: This tall girl from Minas Gerais caught my eye on my first visit with her athletic porn star body, impeccable ass, and almost South Asian features. I seized the opportunity to session with her upon my return to this termas, and she delivered decent BBBJ and stripper sliding.

Solarium: This more expensive termas in more distant Jardim Botanico had the most upscale facilities and, in my opinion, the hottest girls, but it also came with a slightly snobby or pretentious attitude. I had registered on their website before their trip and received a coupon that enabled me to apply the significant cover charge (110 BRL) toward my consumption tab, which made the visit more affordable. The session rooms were more than adequate, and the bright lighting enabled me to check the girls out more thoroughly than anywhere else. I did two girls here:

Can't remember her name: This tiny spinner from the Amazonian city of Manaus was the shortest and thinnest girl in this termas, and perhaps in any of the termas that I visited. She was of indigenous origin, which may be why she was so small. Her performance was very vigorous and enthusiastic, with sensual, sloppy BBBJ, intense CG, and the ability to contract the muscles in her already tight pussy around my cock. By this late point in my trip, it was growing more difficult for me to bust a nut inside a condom, but she pulled it off beautifully. She was also very sweet and delivered a solid GFE.

Can't remember her name: Another one of the hottest girls that I may have ever fucked, with a slight, distant resemblance to Jennifer Lopez, albeit with larger (but fake) breasts. Good service in the purely physical sense but lacking in GFE and chemistry, and perhaps a bit full of herself.

Centaurus: This termas is the most expensive in RJ but does not have the hottest girls or the best facilities. It is the most expensive probably because it caters to a heavily gringo clientele and employs the highest proportion of English-speaking girls, and I imagine that the high cost of real estate in upscale Ipanema must also be a factor. The largely gringo clientele and high gringo pricing may have resulted in the most favorable male: female ratio of any of the termas that I visited, and the atmosphere and dynamics were similar to those of more familiar gringo mongering venues in CR, the DR, and MDE. Beyond the high prices (a 140-160 BRL cover charge and 460 BRL for a 40-minute session), my only complaint was the lack of hot water in the showers, which is simply unacceptable for an establishment that charges such high prices. I had a good time here nonetheless and might have returned if it were not for the high prices and cold showers. It might be a good choice if price is irrelevant to you, or if you are willing to pay a significant premium for English-speaking girls.

Anneke: This Heather Locklear lookalike with bigger natural tits and a bigger natural bunda fucked my brains out like a porn star and also delivered solid GFE. I could hardly walk when she was done with me. She had a mouth like a vacuum cleaner and can work her big bunda like nobody's business.

Can't remember her name: This busty white, blue-eyed blonde with curly hair and a big bunda talked a good game, but her performance was just OK. She could fuck reasonably well, but her toothy BBBJ interfered with and detracted from the overall experience. I finished in her huge tits instead.

Monte Carlo provided the happy medium that I could not find at the two opposite extremes of Cancun and 4 x 4 in Centro. Monte Carlo also avoided the two other extremes of the two other and more expensive termas in Zona Sul: the snobbery of Solarium and the gringo-gouging of Centaurus. It is within walking distance of most Copacabana accommodations. In my opinion, it is hard to beat.

Assessment.

I had a good time in RJ overall, and I am glad that I was able to check this box on my bucket list. By the same token, it did not impress me enough to plan any repeat visits, unless certain circumstances change; Colombians will remain my go-to girls for the foreseeable future. Let me explain.

It is important to me to have things to do other than mongering during a mongering trip, especially during the day. A lack of non-mongering activities that interest me is one of the main shortcomings of MDE for me, despite its world-class mongering scene. RJ is better than MDE in that regard, as it is a world-class city for non-mongers to visit and has plenty of other things to do. The main sights, such as Cristo Redentor and Sugarloaf Mountain, are quite impressive. Beyond those, I had been hoping to see more Portuguese cultural heritage, in which I had taken an interest during a previous non-mongering trip to Lisbon, where much of the historic city remains intact. Such sights in RJ were not as numerous or impressive as I had hoped, with the notable exception of the Royal Portuguese Reading Room. In any event, once one has seen these main sights, one has already "been there" and "done that."

RJ's more enduring selling points as a repeat destination, beyond its mongering, are its beaches and its easy access to nature within the city. I prefer scuba diving over the beach, and the only good diving is three hours away. I went on a guided hike through the Tijuca National Forest and saw little other than a cave, a coati, and a bunch of trees. I saw more animals when I walked up the hill to see Fort Leme; the monkeys like to hang out on the path there because people feed them. More interesting was the Barra Water Shuttle, which provides a boat tour of the inland waterways of Barra the Tijuca; I saw many caimans, birds, and fish jumping out of the water. The zoo is worth a visit, perhaps on the way to nearby Vila Mimosa; it has a lot of Brazilian animals that I have never seen before. I looked into the possibility of hang-gliding, but I am above the weight limit. RJ would be a great repeat destination for rock climbers, given the city's distinctive topography and its many rocks and hills to climb.

Does Brazil have hotter women than Colombia? I would say that the top-tier termas of RJ had a higher proportion of 10's than anywhere else that I have been, including MDE and Cartagena (CTG). Nonetheless, the quality of the talent in RJ dropped sharply to CR and DR levels outside those top-tier termas, as I saw during my brief visits to 502 and Delirio Oriental. Similarly, I saw fewer girls in the general public of RJ that caught my eye, although that may have been because I did not got the beach; the female population of MDE impressed me more overall. RJ's top-tier termas may have more 10's, but I found that MDE had a more balanced and even distribution of hotness throughout both its hooker and non-hooker populations and thus a larger and healthier supply of 8's, and 9's than RJ. In other words, the upper crust of RJ is hotter than that of MDE, but the average hotness of MDE is higher overall.

Brazilians have two or three other potential advantages over Colombians, the importance of which may vary according to one's tastes. Brazil is a much larger country with a much more diverse gene pool and thus a much greater variety of physical types, from very white to very black and everything else in between. RJ's top-tier termas thus contain a wide variety of girls, although I believe that black (er) or biracial girls may have been underrepresented, perhaps due to the tastes of wealthier Brazilians. This diversity may be appealing to those that dislike the homogeneity of the MDE gene pool and prefer the greater diversity of CTG, as RJ's talent pool is even more diverse than that of CTG. Personally, though, I like the standard paisa look of MDE chicas and do not mind MDE's homogeneity.

RJ's top-tier termas provide an opportunity to receive good service from hot white girls at prices that are high by Latin American standards but would be hard to beat for hot white girls in most other places, except perhaps the FKKs of Germany. When I say white, I am not talking about lighter-skinned Latinas, as one might find in CR or certain parts of Colombia. I mean whiter than me, of German, Italian, or Eastern European origin. White women this hot would cost an arm and a leg back home, or the affordable ones would provide shoddy service, as in the red light district of Amsterdam. More importantly, they fuck like any other Latinas, even though they are physically white.

Brazil's reputation for big bundas was a significant factor in my decision to go, and in that regard the talent pool at RJ's top-tier termas definitely met my expectations. More importantly, for those of you that dislike artificial silicone enhancements, I would say that a higher proportion of the girls either had natural tits & ass, or the workmanship was so good that I could not tell the difference. While I encountered quite a few with fake tits, I might have found only one or two fake asses. I understand that a distaste for silicone is why some mongers are not fans of Colombians, and if you are one of those guys, then Brazil's ostensibly lower levels of silicone may be a better fit for you. I personally do not mind quality silicone enhancements but would prefer a natural body, all other things being the same.

Do Brazilians provide a higher level or quality of service? The premium service items BBBJ, CIM, swallowing, and anal are probably easier to find at RJ's top-tier termas than in the more accessible Spanish-speaking countries. BBBJ definitely appeared to be the norm in RJ's top-tier termas; all of the girls that I interviewed offered BBBJ with no upsell, and none of them offered CBJ. In fact, a few of them found it odd that I even had to ask about BBBJ, as if CBJ were even a possibility. For those of you that have experienced the frustration of having to turn away chicas in CR, the DR, or Colombia because they insisted on CBJ, this norm will be a welcome change. The other services are even harder to find in the more accessible Spanish-speaking countries but appear to be more widely available in RJ's top-tier termas. CIM and swallowing are not important enough to me to request them in advance, though, and I actually dislike anal and turned away a few girls that offered it to me proactively.

The reputation of Brazilians for greater passion and intensity in the sack was another significant factor in persuading me to go, and in this regard they did not meet my expectations. I found Colombians and even Dominicans to be better performers in this regard. To be fair though, the language barrier may have been a significant factor in impeding the development of mutual chemistry and the full GFE experience, which I was able to develop more consistently with Colombians and Dominicans by communicating with them in Spanish. My better experiences with termas girls who spoke at least a little bit of English probably demonstrated that communication was a significant factor in this regard.

I liked the termas business model enough that it inspired me to add a German FKK tour to my mongering bucket list, given the similarities between those two types of establishments. I had been a bit nervous at first about changing into robes, but by the middle of my trip I adjusted to it so thoroughly that I felt a bit uncomfortable in my normal clothes at 502, where one does not change into a robe. By way of clarification, the robes are more like bathrobes than the "Hugh Hefner" robes that some trip reports described. Being in the looser, freer robe definitely facilitated relaxation and arousal and gave the girls easier access for pre-session foreplay. When I did my pre-trip research, the cover charges seemed a bit steep to me, but now I have a greater appreciation of the costs of maintaining and operating these facilities. The atmosphere at most termas was not unlike that of a strip club in Colombia or CR, and I think that the hiring managers at these termas have similar taste in women. I did two sessions every night and needed something to do to give my dick time to reboot for the second session. Sometimes I went for legitimate massages from the in-house therapists, which were good.

Overall, I would say that the overall quality of my experience was on par with that of MDE; it was better in some ways but weaker in others. It nonetheless cost quite a bit more than a week in MDE, in terms of both money and investment of time and effort. One could probably pay for two weeks in MDE with what a week in RJ could cost. Other, non-monetary costs include the hassle of getting a visa in advance, overnight flights to and from another hemisphere, and a crash course in Portuguese. Even if one finds RJ to be of somewhat higher quality than MDE, RJ is thus much less cost-effective. I am glad that I went this one time, but I do not believe that it would be viable as a repeat destination for me.

That calculation could change under certain circumstances and may also be different for other mongers. A significant reduction in the cost of airfare to Brazil or a favorable shift in the USD-BRL exchange rate would go along way to make another such trip more cost-effective. Learning Portuguese would probably improve the chemistry and GFE and enable me to pursue independents outside the termas at significantly lower rates, but I am disinclined to invest the personal time in mastering another foreign language just for the purpose of mongering in Brazil. With that said, Brazil is significant enough in my line of work that I might be able to persuade my employer to send me there on business or provide Portuguese language training on company time. I am planting the seeds for that effort already.

Other mongers may weigh these factors differently. If you are a Portuguese-speaking millionaire who wants to have anal sex with natural 10's, then RJ would be perfect for you. If you speak Portuguese, you will probably have better GFE and chemistry with the girls in RJ and can pursue independents at lower prices. If you are a millionaire like Justin Bieber or a basketball player, you can go to Centaurus with money to burn and find girls that speak English for a premium price. If anal is important to you, you will find it much more easily in RJ than in the Spanish-speaking destinations. If you want silicone-free 10's, I saw higher concentrations of them in RJ's top-tier termas than I have anywhere else. Personally, though, I would rather take the shorter flight to MDE and receive good BBBJ and Spanish-speaking GFE from tastefully enhanced 8's and 9's at the Mansion for half the price or less.

Brasil Cupid P*tas is the main interest in the Rio thread right now. For those with other interests it might be interesting to read about the situations in the favelas in Zona Sul.
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[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2085195]If you are a Portuguese-speaking millionaire who wants to have anal sex with natural 10's, then RJ would be perfect for you.[/QUOTE]Very nice, long detailed report! We haven't seen one of those in a long time. But I have to say that some parts of it are totally misleading and give the wrong impression to people who don't know any better. Take the small part of your report that I quoted above. You need not be fluent in Portuguese nor be a millionaire to have copious anal sex with Brazilian hotties! Believe me, as I "the analist" know this from experience! LOL! My Brazilian LAA (Lifetime Anal Average) is 70% of my Brazilian tutes butt fucked. And it could be 100% if I lowered my standards some! That's just how available anal is in Brazil. And I am neither a millionaire nor a master of the Portuguese language. You need neither to have passionate sex in Brazil, and I stand as a witness to that! But I do thank you for your report.

Professionals study logistics, amateurs study sex:

If you want to really understand what makes the beating heart or is it the throbbing gspot of Rio beat, you need to master this key terrain:

Malaga Motel Mosaico Aconchega Carioca Pra the Bandeira: all accessible on foot via the 457 bus recommend you ride it, from Copa, Av. Nossa), which will also take you by 4 x 4. Wear a Vasco camisa, alternate Fluminense as the word is out that Vasco is a gringo camo; further be prepared to ride the 457 to Norte Shopping, and to walk to Cartago Motel. So, when you are arranging a tryst in a hotel, you will say, "time, cartago, $"; ditto". Malaga."

Why?

Well, as the latest firefight in the favelas demonstrates, the sex age males are busily killing each other, putting demographics in the monger's favor even more heavily; a Policia Militar sargento makes what, 1200 are / Mes? Price your sessions with this in mind. If you even are paying for it. Offering a secure apto with the 6 s shit, shower shave supper sex sleep in Zona Sul is a valuable commodity, especially if in close proximity to centro termas or prives, and or humaita termas, or to establish a de facto humaita prive / base for the girls ops.

Consider daytime runs / walk, talent recruiting (come up with an excuse that is as non creeping as possible) on universities: vicinity Botafogo; Maracana; Icarai; among others. Maracana Federal you probably especially good patrol ground. That super hot negra top new prive girl is a legit student, just walk around, scope your targets, walk up, and get a number. You know, "I'm a internet executive and we are recruiting bloggers, yadda yadda. " better use of time than tinder, BC, and some exercise too.

So too: Clube Botafogo; Clube Vasco near Centro, run down a bit, but with a pool, bar, etc, and most importantly, vascainas; Clube Flamengo (best athletic facilities, near Leblon and Clube Monte Libano, a venue for dances not to be missed, come on to 7 girls, make out with 2, get your zumba on.

Alright fellas, if you're heading into the favelas, wear the Vasco Camisa; the cruz maltina is your best security; that book, Fim by Torres, BTW is pretty good. For those of us for whom 18 yo black pussy bareback is worth 20 MG of cialis viagra camarga, I'm glad to report swam yesterday an hour and enjoyed the spa, then banged long legged negra, repeated often. All the mongering types are there in Fim, especially that worst of wingmen who can't get their own girls, never reciprocate with like quality new top 18 yo mulatas, and mooch off the recce of the brave among us. On the other hand, the genuine camaraderie of worthwhile wingmen, like Azn, who seems to spend at least part of his week just going to non pro social events and getting some play there. Like the Film character who was with the university girl for a brief period between putas. These are the the brothers who make this game worth it.

A top girl at a terma like Brenda, the only girl I sessioned with at Solarium the last few years, lives in Nova Iguacu, like most of the terma girls like Perola ex 502; Brenda's a pure freelancer now. PM me for her #, I have caught and released, best ass and pussy for those of us who like zona norte morenas with a perfect body. Sessioning at termas is so price inefficient; the same 400- 450 can be a pernoite, or a diaria on a Monday. Wednesday; or just playing Felipe ret and having some strong vape available. Fuckamefdig does so well because of the music vibe. Signing off, getting some sleep. Ciao.

Nice detailed report GringoItaliano.

Would love to see pictures of Kelly as my dance card is always open for additions.

[QUOTE=Junior;2085497]Nice detailed report GringoItaliano.

Would love to see pictures of Kelly as my dance card is always open for additions.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your feedback. I will be sending you photos of Kelly via PM.

She is easily recognizable as the girl with the biggest butt and the warmest smile in Monte Carlo.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2085336]Very nice, long detailed report! We haven't seen one of those in a long time. But I have to say that some parts of it are totally misleading and give the wrong impression to people who don't know any better. Take the small part of your report that I quoted above. You need not be fluent in Portuguese nor be a millionaire to have copious anal sex with Brazilian hotties! Believe me, as I "the analist" know this from experience! LOL! My Brazilian LAA (Lifetime Anal Average) is 70% of my Brazilian tutes butt fucked. And it could be 100% if I lowered my standards some! That's just how available anal is in Brazil. And I am neither a millionaire nor a master of the Portuguese language. You need neither to have passionate sex in Brazil, and I stand as a witness to that! But I do thank you for your report.[/QUOTE]I think that you may have misunderstood what I meant to convey in that paragraph. I did not mean to imply that it was necessary to be a Portuguese-speaking millionaire in order to have anal sex with lots of Brazilian 10's. What I meant was this: the high costs of a trip to RJ (E. G. Airfare and / or the length of the flight) and sessions at the top-tier termas (compared to say, independents in MDE or Sosua) may be a significant obstacle for some mongers and leave them with less value for their money than they might get in other, more affordable destinations. If MDE is a 9 and RJ is a 10 (depending on one's tastes), that extra point of quality may end up costing twice as much. For many mongers (e. G. Me), the potentially higher quality of RJ may not be worth the significantly higher cost, but if you are a millionaire or do not care about price or value for one's money, then the higher cost may not matter and RJ would clearly be the better choice.

I also did not mean to imply that it is necessary to speak Portuguese in order to have good sex in RJ. I had many good sessions with my very minimal crash course in Portuguese, but I think that I would have had more consistent GFE and interpersonal chemistry, and thus more consistently enjoyable sessions overall, if I did speak Portuguese proficiently. These sessions were good, but I think that I would have gotten better value for my money with the more inexpensive sessions in MDE or Sosua with girls with whom I can communicate effectively in their own language (Spanish). I could have also gone for more inexpensive sessions with independents if I spoke Portuguese, but given my lack of language skills, I felt that it was best, out of an abundance of caution, to stick to the controlled, fixed-price environment of the termas. As I mentioned in my report, the termas make RJ accessible for visitors with no language skills, whereas Colombia would probably not be a suitable destination for a monger with no Spanish skills.

The bottom line of that last paragraph was that other mongers may have different assessments of RJ, based on their own situations and priorities. In your case, your high level of interest in anal sex makes RJ a uniquely appealing destination for you, to the point that it probably outweighs the other factors (e. G. Cost and the language barrier). A 70% Lifetime Anal Average (LAA) would probably be unrealistic in MDE or Sosua, but it is feasible in Brazil. Personally, I have zero interest in anal, and it is actually a bit of a turn-off for me when girls bring it up, so the greater availability of anal sex in Brazil affects my assessment differently.

Fantastic report by GringoItaliano -- you are a hell of a writer.

I thought I'd chirp in that the best mongering in Brasil is in Sao Paulo. Even in the glory days of Rio (pre-2009), Sao Paulo had an edge. However, the difference has widened quite a bit since then.

Of course one has to visit Rio because it's such a breathtaking city, but if you have the chance, hit Sao Paulo too. IMO that city has the greatest quantity of stunning women anywhere in the world.

[QUOTE=Combo;2085538]Fantastic report by GringoItaliano -- you are a hell of a writer.

I thought I'd chirp in that the best mongering in Brasil is in Sao Paulo. Even in the glory days of Rio (pre-2009), Sao Paulo had an edge. However, the difference has widened quite a bit since then.

Of course one has to visit Rio because it's such a breathtaking city, but if you have the chance, hit Sao Paulo too. IMO that city has the greatest quantity of stunning women anywhere in the world.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the feedback. I actually considered Sao Paulo as the second leg of my trip, but I decided against it because it did not strike me as the kind of city that I would want to visit overall. It sounds like the Brazilian counterpart of New York. I live in New York and wanted to vacation in a different type of environment. Also, it sounded like there would be fewer non-mongering activities in Sao Paulo for someone with extremely limited Portuguese language skills. I thus decided on BA instead, which was more interesting from a non-mongering perspective and still had some decent mongering. It is still interesting, though, that the best chicas that I found in BA were Brazilians. Go figure.

As I mentioned in my report, I am trying to persuade my employer to send me to Brazil on business, which would solve the problem of the outrageously expensive airfare to Brazil by having someone else pay for it. If they sent me to Brazil, it would probably be to Sao Paulo.

I currently have flights booked to Rio for February and am in an awkward situation. Should I cancel and rebook to DR?

DR seems to speak a lot more English than Brazil.

DR seems cheaper to eat, drink, monger and to live in general.

DR has better beaches in my opinion, whiter sand and clearer water.

Brazil, I have more chance of crime happening towards me.

I would like some help or even advice on where to choose. The only thing keeping me going to Brazil at the moment is the girls and me wanting to experience Brazilian culture and their women.

Do I take a massive risk and stay with Brazil or rebook with little risk for DR?

Help me choose!

[QUOTE=Combo;2085538]Fantastic report by GringoItaliano -- you are a hell of a writer.

I thought I'd chirp in that the best mongering in Brasil is in Sao Paulo. Even in the glory days of Rio (pre-2009), Sao Paulo had an edge. However, the difference has widened quite a bit since then.

Of course one has to visit Rio because it's such a breathtaking city, but if you have the chance, hit Sao Paulo too. IMO that city has the greatest quantity of stunning women anywhere in the world.[/QUOTE]Been living in Sao Paulo for almost 3 yrs. And must say that Rio compared to the Rio of the 80's, 90's, early 2000's. Is a fucking cesspool. Sao Paulo is safer, easier to get around. Whereas the women you meet in Rio are definitely 3rd World. Paulistas are definitely Developing World. All the good pussy in Sao Paulo is imported from Rio. In three years, I've been to Rio less than ten times and have never stayed longer than a week. I have my own flat in SP, bringing girls back not the problem. The problem is getting them to leave! Additionally, you get a lot of Southern Brasilian talent in SP. Lots of German, Japanese, Italian, & Dutch stock. If you run into a negra, mulata or Indio-Brasiliera in SP, they're usually from Rio or NordEste. Also a rack of decent talent from MG.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2085195]Genesis and Planning.

I had originally considered the possibility of returning to Colombia for my longer, two-week trip this year, but I decided to head further south instead. Rio de Janeiro (RJ) had been on my bucket list for both mongering and non-mongering reasons. RJ struck me as a destination that any serious monger should visit at least once in his lifetime, and that many non-mongers find appealing as well.

Another factor was my desire to shop around more before returning to Colombia. I decided to compare Brazilians to Colombians and see if the former could outshine the latter, as many have suggested that either Colombians or Brazilians are the "A Team" of hookers in the Western Hemisphere. I will thus be comparing the two nationalities throughout this report, as Colombians in general and the Mansion / Facebook chicas of Medellin (MDE) in particular have traditionally been my gold standard.

I had started out in Costa Rica (CR) and the Dominican Republic (DR) and saw how much of an improvement I experienced when I stepped my game up and went to the more challenging environment of Colombia, with less gringo traffic, higher security risks, a longer flight, and the need for greater chica management and foreign language skills. I decided to push the envelope and take things even further by going to Brazil. The target audience for this report is those mongers that have already been to the more accessible Spanish-speaking countries and are considering a more ambitious trip to Brazil.

Given the length and the cost of a trip to the Southern Hemisphere, I decided that I needed a two-week itinerary in order to justify it. I can only monger at full throttle for a week at a time, by which point I have usually exhausted my dick and my libido. I decided to spend the second leg of my trip in Buenos Aires (BA), as that destination had also been on my bucket list for primarily non-mongering reasons. I did a bit of mongering in BA as well, which I will report separately; suffice it to say here that the best chicas that I found in BA were Brazilians. I spent less than $1200 on a LATAM itinerary with three direct flights: JFK to RJ, RJ to BA, and BA to JFK. Given that one could easily pay that much just for the outbound flight to Brazil and the return flight to the USA, I felt that the three direct flights for less than $400 each, two of which were long-haul, cross-hemisphere flights to destinations that fewer North Americans visit, came at a reasonable price. I could have also gotten similar prices if I had taken the second leg of my trip in Manaus (for a tour of the Amazon, with a return flight via Miami) or Fernando de Noronha (an island off the northeastern coast of Brazil with the country's best scuba diving).

It took about three hours to receive my Brazilian visa from the Brazilian consulate in New York, in addition to the time that I spent on the prior online application. The New York consulate does not take appointments but instead issues visas during a two-hour window on most weekday afternoons. There was already a long line when I got there at 1 pm, and I got my visa just before that two-hour window of time ended. It is a good idea to show up early if you want to finish the process that same day.

My pre-trip research indicated that chica-friendly hotels were often hard to find in RJ, and that most mongers accordingly rent apartments instead. I preferred a hotel for security and other reasons, and I planned to conduct most of my sessions on-site anyway. I found that both Copacabana locations of the Ibis hotel chain (Posto 2 and Posto 5) are chica-friendly and inexpensive I booked a room at the Ibis Copacabana Posto 2 for approximately $40 per night. The room was small and basic but of good quality and adequate for my purposes. A (female) receptionist confirmed that they allow (female) guests, but I ultimately did not bring any guests there and had all of my sessions on-site. The breakfast was so-so, but for the low price (20-30 BRL), I cannot complain. I had dinner almost every night at the nearby Churrascaria Palace, an all-you-can eat steakhouse. At approximately 150 BRL per person, it is costly but still well worth the greater expense, in my opinion. The wide range of meat cuts that they served was excellent, and I needed to replenish the large amounts of protein that I was ejaculating.

I gave myself a crash course in Portuguese in preparation for my trip. The most useful material that I found was "Easy Brazilian Portuguese," a series of videos on YouTube. It featured interviews with native Brazilians and subtitles, familiarizing me with real-life speech and clarifying the differences between the written and spoken words (which I found to be one of the main challenges of the language). My prior knowledge of both Spanish and French definitely facilitated this crash course. Beyond the Portuguese language's well-known similarities to Spanish, many of those features that differ from those of Spanish, such as its nasal sounds, are either present in or similar to those of French. I nonetheless found it difficult to understand the girls in the termas, given their often lower levels of education, the noise and overcrowding at some of the termas, and the significant difference between what written Portuguese looks like and what spoken Portuguese sounds like.

A Tour of the Top-Tier Termas.

I had originally planned to limit my mongering to termas and prives / massagems, given my lack of proficiency in Portuguese and the decline of RJ's freelancer scene since the "good old days" of the now-defunct Help. The termas in particular struck me as the best scene overall. The opportunity to "meet & greet" and interview the girls in a safe, controlled environment with fixed prices makes RJ a viable mongering destination for a first-time visitor without solid language skills, whereas the received wisdom is that Colombia is not a suitable destination for a monger who does not speak Spanish.

I revised this plan after my first session in RJ, which was at the Delirio Oriental massagem in Copacabana. This session was a dud due to CBJ and an otherwise half-assed performance by what I thought was a good choice: a tall, olive-skinned blonde who seemed the most affectionate during the brief presentation, and whose name I cannot recall. The casa-style business model has usually not worked as well for me elsewhere (even in MDE), and I had other things that I wanted to do during the day. I thus decided that it was best to focus on the termas, since that business model is unique to Brazil (except perhaps the similar German FKKs). I further narrowed the scope of my mongering after 20 minutes at the cheaper Termas 502, where I found the quality of the talent to be significantly lower than that of the other, top-tier termas that I had already visited. The girls at 502 might have been good choices in Sosua or at the Del Rey, but I did not come all the way to RJ for Sosua or Del Rey quality. The DJ's choice of nothing but Brazilian funk also made it difficult for me to hear myself think, let alone interview the girls properly. I thus decided to restrict myself to the top-tier termas.

I spent seven nights at RJ's 5 top-tier termas, where I had 14 sessions with 13 girls. I returned to one termas for the sheer number of girls and to another termas because I found it to be the best overall. Below are my characterizations of each termas and reviews of the girls with which I had sessions at each one. I have ranked them roughly in order of price, from lowest to highest. I lost my notes and thus cannot recall exact prices and many girls' names; after a week in RJ, I could hardly remember my own name. I will provide as much description as I can and approximate prices as closely as I can recall.

Centro Termas: Cancun and 4 x 4.

Cancun: This termas was the most spacious and had the best session rooms and the most relaxing atmosphere, and the girls there delivered some of the best GFE. Perhaps the calmer atmosphere and more comfortable facilities enhanced the GFE component. I enjoyed it and would have returned if they had a larger talent pool; it probably had the smallest selection of any of the termas that I visited, so I could not justify a repeat visit. The 1 hour sessions cost only 20 BRL more than the 40 minute sessions, so it is worth the slightly higher cost to pay for a longer session, even if you only go for one round. I do not remember the exact prices, but sessions were somewhere north of 300 BRL. I did two girls here:

Manu: She provided the best BBBJ during my visit to RJ and possibly one of the 10-20 best in my entire life. She said that she likes sucking cock, which I initially took with a grain of salt as a sales pitch, but in retrospect I am inclined to believe her. She is a tall white blonde with some silicone in the earliest stages of MILFhood and a very sweet, demure disposition. We discussed the possibility of a session at my hotel but could not work out the scheduling. Photos of her are available upon request. Highly recommended if you don't mind silicone and a woman who is probably in her early 30's.

Can't remember her name: This voluptuous mestiza was a bit thicker than I would have normally chosen but won me over with her enormous bunda, warm smile, and friendly manner. She rode me like a champ as her bunda made booty-smacking sounds that one could probably hear a mile away and finished me off with a head-bobbing BBBJ. I later buried my face in her big natural tits for what seemed like forever. She called me a "safado" when she saw me pulling Manu later that night.

4 x 4: This termas had the largest talent pool of any of the termas by far and the second-hottest girls. I accordingly returned for a second night in order to mine the talent pool further, despite my distaste for the atmosphere. It is very noisy and crowded, to the point that it interferes with one's ability to interview the girls. It attracts a lot of male clients as well, to the point that it reduces the male: female ratio to unfavorable levels. The size of the facility is inadequate for the number of people. I fared well in my initial visit on a Monday night, when it was less crowded. I returned on a Wednesday night, when it was a zoo and my sessions were not as good but still satisfactory. The lack of proper lighting made it harder to inspect the girls thoroughly. As with Cancun, the 1 hour sessions cost only 20 BRL more than the 40 minute sessions and are thus worth the slightly higher price, even if you only go for one round. Sessions were slightly more expensive than those of Cancun. I did four girls here:

Can't remember her name: This Nicole Eggert lookalike with an even more impressive bunda approached me shortly after I entered 4 x 4 for the first time. I have been mongering long enough to know that the girl who approaches you immediately after you enter a venue for the first time is usually one to avoid, but she happened to fit my personal tastes and made a very persuasive sales pitch, which I accepted. The better lighting of the session room revealed that she was a bit older than I had initially thought (early 30's, perhaps), but she delivered a solid and very enthusiastic performance, with some impressive RCG and CIM. She approached me for a repeat when I returned to 4 x 4 later that week, but I declined not because of any dissatisfaction with her, but because I wanted to shop around more.

Can't remember her name: This girl was one of the hottest that I have ever fucked. She said that she was of Lebanese origin. She was tall and thin, with black hair and eyes and ample but proportionately-sized tits and ass. She delivered good service and worked diligently for my second round.

Kiara: I pulled this tall and very Nordic blonde with silicone tits & ass on my second visit to 4 x 4, when we both spotted each other at the same time and our eyes locked on each other. I thought that this initial click and my subsequent interview would lead to good chemistry in the session room, but she lacked GFE and passion. She nonetheless had the physical skills to get the job done well enough.

Charlotte: This Kirsten Dunst lookalike with even larger natural tits & ass, who said that she was of German origin, caught my eye on my first night at 4 x 4, as she paraded around with nothing but stars to cover her nipples. I did not have the opportunity to approach her that night but seized the opportunity to session with her on my second visit. She demonstrated extremely powerful ass and thigh muscles that got the job done as she rode me like a jackrabbit, but the chemistry and GFE were weak as well.

As the two top-tier termas in downtown RJ, Cancun and 4 x 4 are polar opposites. To use a musical analogy, if Cancun is bossa nova, then 4 x 4 is Brazilian funk. I understand, ironically enough, that a former 4 x 4 owner or manager may have left that termas to establish Cancun. Cancun had quality service and atmosphere but not enough talent. 4 x 4 had enough quality talent for two termas, but the atmosphere detracted from the experience and the quality of the service was mixed. In a perfect world, the solution to this problem would be to send some of the excess girls from 4 x 4 to Cancun, which would reduce the overcrowding at 4 x 4 and make Cancun a livelier venue. Barring that, Cancun should hire more girls and 4 x 4 should find a bigger facility or expand their existing one and hire a new DJ.

Zona Sul Termas: Monte Carlo, Solarium, and Centaurus.

Monte Carlo: This termas was the only one to which I returned because of the quality of my previous experience there. I found it to be the best termas overall simply because it was the most balanced and well-rounded and did not suffer from any of the extremes or shortcomings of the other termas. The convenience of its location in Copacabana, where most mongers stay, was a bonus. It costs a bit more than the Centro termas, but less than the other two Zona Sul termas. On both nights, they had an adequate supply of hot girls, a favorable male: female ratio, and a lively but relaxing atmosphere. It is upscale but not pretentious. It is cozy but not crowded. My only complaint is that the rooms and beds for the 40-minute sessions were too small, to the point that they interfered with the girls' performances at times. Monte Carlo was my "sweet spot. " I did three girls here:

Kelly: This mixed girl had the enormous bunda of a girl from a rap video but the cute face and warm, endearing GFE of the girl next door. Her talents include some limited English and the ability to squeeze an empty soda can between her butt cheeks, which she put to good use when she used that same skill on my dick at length. She impressed me enough that I considered a session with her in my hotel room, but we could not work out the scheduling. She introduced me to a friend of hers, with whom I had a separate session later that night (see below). The three of us did a threesome, including girl-on-girl action, when I returned to this termas. Photos of Kelly are available upon request.

Kelly's friend: This lighter-skinned girl was tall and thin, wore distinctive hooker boots, and had this constant facial expression that made it look like she always wanted to fuck. She delivered well in the session room, with sloppy BBBJ and the ability to contract her pussy muscles around my cock at will.

Can't remember her name: This tall girl from Minas Gerais caught my eye on my first visit with her athletic porn star body, impeccable ass, and almost South Asian features. I seized the opportunity to session with her upon my return to this termas, and she delivered decent BBBJ and stripper sliding.

Solarium: This more expensive termas in more distant Jardim Botanico had the most upscale facilities and, in my opinion, the hottest girls, but it also came with a slightly snobby or pretentious attitude. I had registered on their website before their trip and received a coupon that enabled me to apply the significant cover charge (110 BRL) toward my consumption tab, which made the visit more affordable. The session rooms were more than adequate, and the bright lighting enabled me to check the girls out more thoroughly than anywhere else. I did two girls here:

Can't remember her name: This tiny spinner from the Amazonian city of Manaus was the shortest and thinnest girl in this termas, and perhaps in any of the termas that I visited. She was of indigenous origin, which may be why she was so small. Her performance was very vigorous and enthusiastic, with sensual, sloppy BBBJ, intense CG, and the ability to contract the muscles in her already tight pussy around my cock. By this late point in my trip, it was growing more difficult for me to bust a nut inside a condom, but she pulled it off beautifully. She was also very sweet and delivered a solid GFE.

Can't remember her name: Another one of the hottest girls that I may have ever fucked, with a slight, distant resemblance to Jennifer Lopez, albeit with larger (but fake) breasts. Good service in the purely physical sense but lacking in GFE and chemistry, and perhaps a bit full of herself.

Centaurus: This termas is the most expensive in RJ but does not have the hottest girls or the best facilities. It is the most expensive probably because it caters to a heavily gringo clientele and employs the highest proportion of English-speaking girls, and I imagine that the high cost of real estate in upscale Ipanema must also be a factor. The largely gringo clientele and high gringo pricing may have resulted in the most favorable male: female ratio of any of the termas that I visited, and the atmosphere and dynamics were similar to those of more familiar gringo mongering venues in CR, the DR, and MDE. Beyond the high prices (a 140-160 BRL cover charge and 460 BRL for a 40-minute session), my only complaint was the lack of hot water in the showers, which is simply unacceptable for an establishment that charges such high prices. I had a good time here nonetheless and might have returned if it were not for the high prices and cold showers. It might be a good choice if price is irrelevant to you, or if you are willing to pay a significant premium for English-speaking girls.

Anneke: This Heather Locklear lookalike with bigger natural tits and a bigger natural bunda fucked my brains out like a porn star and also delivered solid GFE. I could hardly walk when she was done with me. She had a mouth like a vacuum cleaner and can work her big bunda like nobody's business.

Can't remember her name: This busty white, blue-eyed blonde with curly hair and a big bunda talked a good game, but her performance was just OK. She could fuck reasonably well, but her toothy BBBJ interfered with and detracted from the overall experience. I finished in her huge tits instead.

Monte Carlo provided the happy medium that I could not find at the two opposite extremes of Cancun and 4 x 4 in Centro. Monte Carlo also avoided the two other extremes of the two other and more expensive termas in Zona Sul: the snobbery of Solarium and the gringo-gouging of Centaurus. It is within walking distance of most Copacabana accommodations. In my opinion, it is hard to beat.

Assessment.

I had a good time in RJ overall, and I am glad that I was able to check this box on my bucket list. By the same token, it did not impress me enough to plan any repeat visits, unless certain circumstances change; Colombians will remain my go-to girls for the foreseeable future. Let me explain.

It is important to me to have things to do other than mongering during a mongering trip, especially during the day. A lack of non-mongering activities that interest me is one of the main shortcomings of MDE for me, despite its world-class mongering scene. RJ is better than MDE in that regard, as it is a world-class city for non-mongers to visit and has plenty of other things to do. The main sights, such as Cristo Redentor and Sugarloaf Mountain, are quite impressive. Beyond those, I had been hoping to see more Portuguese cultural heritage, in which I had taken an interest during a previous non-mongering trip to Lisbon, where much of the historic city remains intact. Such sights in RJ were not as numerous or impressive as I had hoped, with the notable exception of the Royal Portuguese Reading Room. In any event, once one has seen these main sights, one has already "been there" and "done that."

RJ's more enduring selling points as a repeat destination, beyond its mongering, are its beaches and its easy access to nature within the city. I prefer scuba diving over the beach, and the only good diving is three hours away. I went on a guided hike through the Tijuca National Forest and saw little other than a cave, a coati, and a bunch of trees. I saw more animals when I walked up the hill to see Fort Leme; the monkeys like to hang out on the path there because people feed them. More interesting was the Barra Water Shuttle, which provides a boat tour of the inland waterways of Barra the Tijuca; I saw many caimans, birds, and fish jumping out of the water. The zoo is worth a visit, perhaps on the way to nearby Vila Mimosa; it has a lot of Brazilian animals that I have never seen before. I looked into the possibility of hang-gliding, but I am above the weight limit. RJ would be a great repeat destination for rock climbers, given the city's distinctive topography and its many rocks and hills to climb.

Does Brazil have hotter women than Colombia? I would say that the top-tier termas of RJ had a higher proportion of 10's than anywhere else that I have been, including MDE and Cartagena (CTG). Nonetheless, the quality of the talent in RJ dropped sharply to CR and DR levels outside those top-tier termas, as I saw during my brief visits to 502 and Delirio Oriental. Similarly, I saw fewer girls in the general public of RJ that caught my eye, although that may have been because I did not got the beach; the female population of MDE impressed me more overall. RJ's top-tier termas may have more 10's, but I found that MDE had a more balanced and even distribution of hotness throughout both its hooker and non-hooker populations and thus a larger and healthier supply of 8's, and 9's than RJ. In other words, the upper crust of RJ is hotter than that of MDE, but the average hotness of MDE is higher overall.

Brazilians have two or three other potential advantages over Colombians, the importance of which may vary according to one's tastes. Brazil is a much larger country with a much more diverse gene pool and thus a much greater variety of physical types, from very white to very black and everything else in between. RJ's top-tier termas thus contain a wide variety of girls, although I believe that black (er) or biracial girls may have been underrepresented, perhaps due to the tastes of wealthier Brazilians. This diversity may be appealing to those that dislike the homogeneity of the MDE gene pool and prefer the greater diversity of CTG, as RJ's talent pool is even more diverse than that of CTG. Personally, though, I like the standard paisa look of MDE chicas and do not mind MDE's homogeneity.

RJ's top-tier termas provide an opportunity to receive good service from hot white girls at prices that are high by Latin American standards but would be hard to beat for hot white girls in most other places, except perhaps the FKKs of Germany. When I say white, I am not talking about lighter-skinned Latinas, as one might find in CR or certain parts of Colombia. I mean whiter than me, of German, Italian, or Eastern European origin. White women this hot would cost an arm and a leg back home, or the affordable ones would provide shoddy service, as in the red light district of Amsterdam. More importantly, they fuck like any other Latinas, even though they are physically white.

Brazil's reputation for big bundas was a significant factor in my decision to go, and in that regard the talent pool at RJ's top-tier termas definitely met my expectations. More importantly, for those of you that dislike artificial silicone enhancements, I would say that a higher proportion of the girls either had natural tits & ass, or the workmanship was so good that I could not tell the difference. While I encountered quite a few with fake tits, I might have found only one or two fake asses. I understand that a distaste for silicone is why some mongers are not fans of Colombians, and if you are one of those guys, then Brazil's ostensibly lower levels of silicone may be a better fit for you. I personally do not mind quality silicone enhancements but would prefer a natural body, all other things being the same.

Do Brazilians provide a higher level or quality of service? The premium service items BBBJ, CIM, swallowing, and anal are probably easier to find at RJ's top-tier termas than in the more accessible Spanish-speaking countries. BBBJ definitely appeared to be the norm in RJ's top-tier termas; all of the girls that I interviewed offered BBBJ with no upsell, and none of them offered CBJ. In fact, a few of them found it odd that I even had to ask about BBBJ, as if CBJ were even a possibility. For those of you that have experienced the frustration of having to turn away chicas in CR, the DR, or Colombia because they insisted on CBJ, this norm will be a welcome change. The other services are even harder to find in the more accessible Spanish-speaking countries but appear to be more widely available in RJ's top-tier termas. CIM and swallowing are not important enough to me to request them in advance, though, and I actually dislike anal and turned away a few girls that offered it to me proactively.

The reputation of Brazilians for greater passion and intensity in the sack was another significant factor in persuading me to go, and in this regard they did not meet my expectations. I found Colombians and even Dominicans to be better performers in this regard. To be fair though, the language barrier may have been a significant factor in impeding the development of mutual chemistry and the full GFE experience, which I was able to develop more consistently with Colombians and Dominicans by communicating with them in Spanish. My better experiences with termas girls who spoke at least a little bit of English probably demonstrated that communication was a significant factor in this regard.

I liked the termas business model enough that it inspired me to add a German FKK tour to my mongering bucket list, given the similarities between those two types of establishments. I had been a bit nervous at first about changing into robes, but by the middle of my trip I adjusted to it so thoroughly that I felt a bit uncomfortable in my normal clothes at 502, where one does not change into a robe. By way of clarification, the robes are more like bathrobes than the "Hugh Hefner" robes that some trip reports described. Being in the looser, freer robe definitely facilitated relaxation and arousal and gave the girls easier access for pre-session foreplay. When I did my pre-trip research, the cover charges seemed a bit steep to me, but now I have a greater appreciation of the costs of maintaining and operating these facilities. The atmosphere at most termas was not unlike that of a strip club in Colombia or CR, and I think that the hiring managers at these termas have similar taste in women. I did two sessions every night and needed something to do to give my dick time to reboot for the second session. Sometimes I went for legitimate massages from the in-house therapists, which were good.

Overall, I would say that the overall quality of my experience was on par with that of MDE; it was better in some ways but weaker in others. It nonetheless cost quite a bit more than a week in MDE, in terms of both money and investment of time and effort. One could probably pay for two weeks in MDE with what a week in RJ could cost. Other, non-monetary costs include the hassle of getting a visa in advance, overnight flights to and from another hemisphere, and a crash course in Portuguese. Even if one finds RJ to be of somewhat higher quality than MDE, RJ is thus much less cost-effective. I am glad that I went this one time, but I do not believe that it would be viable as a repeat destination for me.

That calculation could change under certain circumstances and may also be different for other mongers. A significant reduction in the cost of airfare to Brazil or a favorable shift in the USD-BRL exchange rate would go along way to make another such trip more cost-effective. Learning Portuguese would probably improve the chemistry and GFE and enable me to pursue independents outside the termas at significantly lower rates, but I am disinclined to invest the personal time in mastering another foreign language just for the purpose of mongering in Brazil. With that said, Brazil is significant enough in my line of work that I might be able to persuade my employer to send me there on business or provide Portuguese language training on company time. I am planting the seeds for that effort already.

Other mongers may weigh these factors differently. If you are a Portuguese-speaking millionaire who wants to have anal sex with natural 10's, then RJ would be perfect for you. If you speak Portuguese, you will probably have better GFE and chemistry with the girls in RJ and can pursue independents at lower prices. If you are a millionaire like Justin Bieber or a basketball player, you can go to Centaurus with money to burn and find girls that speak English for a premium price. If anal is important to you, you will find it much more easily in RJ than in the Spanish-speaking destinations. If you want silicone-free 10's, I saw higher concentrations of them in RJ's top-tier termas than I have anywhere else. Personally, though, I would rather take the shorter flight to MDE and receive good BBBJ and Spanish-speaking GFE from tastefully enhanced 8's and 9's at the Mansion for half the price or less.[/QUOTE]Good stuff but you should have hit all the lower tier termas and boates as well in centro. You can get some great GFE freaky sessions for little money with great looking girls so next time don't go for the obvious spots only.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2085444]Professionals study logistics, amateurs study sex:

If you want to really understand what makes the beating heart or is it the throbbing gspot of Rio beat, you need to master this key terrain:

Malaga Motel Mosaico Aconchega Carioca Pra the Bandeira: all accessible on foot via the 457 bus recommend you ride it, from Copa, Av. Nossa), which will also take you by 4 x 4. Wear a Vasco camisa, alternate Fluminense as the word is out that Vasco is a gringo camo; further be prepared to ride the 457 to Norte Shopping, and to walk to Cartago Motel. So, when you are arranging a tryst in a hotel, you will say, "time, cartago, $"; ditto". Malaga."

Why?

Well, as the latest firefight in the favelas demonstrates, the sex age males are busily killing each other, putting demographics in the monger's favor even more heavily; a Policia Militar sargento makes what, 1200 are / Mes? Price your sessions with this in mind. If you even are paying for it. Offering a secure apto with the 6 s shit, shower shave supper sex sleep in Zona Sul is a valuable commodity, especially if in close proximity to centro termas or prives, and or humaita termas, or to establish a de facto humaita prive / base for the girls ops.

Consider daytime runs / walk, talent recruiting (come up with an excuse that is as non creeping as possible) on universities: vicinity Botafogo; Maracana; Icarai; among others. Maracana Federal you probably especially good patrol ground. That super hot negra top new prive girl is a legit student, just walk around, scope your targets, walk up, and get a number. You know, "I'm a internet executive and we are recruiting bloggers, yadda yadda. " better use of time than tinder, BC, and some exercise too.

So too: Clube Botafogo; Clube Vasco near Centro, run down a bit, but with a pool, bar, etc, and most importantly, vascainas; Clube Flamengo (best athletic facilities, near Leblon and Clube Monte Libano, a venue for dances not to be missed, come on to 7 girls, make out with 2, get your zumba on.

Alright fellas, if you're heading into the favelas, wear the Vasco Camisa; the cruz maltina is your best security; that book, Fim by Torres, BTW is pretty good. For those of us for whom 18 yo black pussy bareback is worth 20 MG of cialis viagra camarga, I'm glad to report swam yesterday an hour and enjoyed the spa, then banged long legged negra, repeated often. All the mongering types are there in Fim, especially that worst of wingmen who can't get their own girls, never reciprocate with like quality new top 18 yo mulatas, and mooch off the recce of the brave among us. On the other hand, the genuine camaraderie of worthwhile wingmen, like Azn, who seems to spend at least part of his week just going to non pro social events and getting some play there. Like the Film character who was with the university girl for a brief period between putas. These are the the brothers who make this game worth it.

A top girl at a terma like Brenda, the only girl I sessioned with at Solarium the last few years, lives in Nova Iguacu, like most of the terma girls like Perola ex 502; Brenda's a pure freelancer now. PM me for her #, I have caught and released, best ass and pussy for those of us who like zona norte morenas with a perfect body. Sessioning at termas is so price inefficient; the same 400- 450 can be a pernoite, or a diaria on a Monday. Wednesday; or just playing Felipe ret and having some strong vape available. Fuckamefdig does so well because of the music vibe. Signing off, getting some sleep. Ciao.[/QUOTE]This is the type of report dudes need to study like homework. Great!1! Vagabundo1 knows the power of integrating into Rio and the rewards this bravery, time, effort and passion brings. Thanks for compliment.

I can't stress enough the importance of trying non-pro events and just going for it. No is No untill its a yes.

Knowing local motels is invaluable as local bases to take girls, session with gdps from VM or locals. Scouting universities especially in poorer areas is smart because they will be needing money and mentally will be open to us and also wanting to try studying abroad so subconsciously it benefits to befriend a cool gringo......psychology amigos.....

Hitting spots where football crazy girls go is great because theyll be into the fact you are rockin a shirt and got some apparent love for their team. Instant ice breaker..talk about latest game!!!!.

Lastly the music vibe......Brazilian girls love to dance and there are all types of music scenes from Old school RnB and old school US hip hop(very popular in Rio) to new Trap etc to funke,to the traditional brazilian vibes forro etc etc to brazilian rap (REMEMBER EVERY GIRL IVE MET HAS LOVED CHARLIE BROWN!!!!!! RIP...reggae type rap,pop conscious vibe..hes dead...Felipe Ret....etc...get into some of it-find what you enjoy and girls will be vibin with a KINDRED SPIRIT -not a culturally alien gringo.

Hope it helps.Abracos.

Salute Vagabundo1.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2085632]Good stuff but you should have hit all the lower tier termas and boates as well in centro. You can get some great GFE freaky sessions for little money with great looking girls so next time don't go for the obvious spots only.[/QUOTE]I did try 502, but I left after 20 minutes. The talent there did not appeal to me at all, and the overall atmosphere and the DJ's taste in music (nothing but Brazilian funk) rubbed me the wrong way. Among other things, 502 had a higher proportion of black (er) girls, which did not suit my personal taste. I understood from my pre-trip research that the more inexpensive termas tend to have higher proportions of black (er) girls, whereas the more expensive termas tend to have higher proportions of white (r) girls. As you can see from my selection of girls in my report, the white (r) girls were a better fit for my taste. I read and admired your many reports on this thread and your use of your Portuguese language skills to get better prices and value for your money, but I could also tell that your taste in women differed from mine. I do not doubt that one could have a great time in the more inexpensive termas if the talent and the atmosphere there suit one's personal tastes, but what I saw at 502 suggested to me that the more inexpensive termas would not have worked for me as well.

As a first-timer with only a crash course in Portuguese, I also felt that it was a good idea, out of an abundance of caution, to stick to the well-trodden path that other mongers have reported in more detail on this thread.

Better to be thought a fool, than to repeat an entire lengthy post only to suggest the highly valued and [B]FACTUAL[/B] poster visit cheaper places next time.

Excellent report GringoItaliano. Nice to see some actionable intel instead of the usual fluff.

[QUOTE=Combo;2085538]Fantastic report by GringoItaliano -- you are a hell of a writer.

I thought I'd chirp in that the best mongering in Brasil is in Sao Paulo. Even in the glory days of Rio (pre-2009), Sao Paulo had an edge. However, the difference has widened quite a bit since then.

Of course one has to visit Rio because it's such a breathtaking city, but if you have the chance, hit Sao Paulo too. IMO that city has the greatest quantity of stunning women anywhere in the world.[/QUOTE]Everyone has their own opinion. I'm well traveled and I will tell you that Help Disco was the number one mongering destination in the world. It wasn't just the spectacle inside. It was also the spectacle outside at the outdoor oceanfront cafes. Combine that with the sexy, Rio beach culture during the day and the balmy, coastal breezes blowing across the testosterone charged cafes at night, you could not duplicate the experience and maybe never will.

There were also always many, many Sao Paulo pros and semi-pros in Rio during the high tourist season. Hey, everybody needs a vacation. The hottest girl I have ever been with was a SP girl working at Barbarellas. During the Naughty Noughts (2000s) in Rio, I would say the local Rio state girls were the most passionate. Girls from SP and Minas Gerais were some of the hottest, but I found their performance to be more variable.

Sorry for regressing, but I thought I would offer a different perspective.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2085856]Everyone has their own opinion. I'm well traveled and I will tell you that Help Disco was the number one mongering destination in the world. It wasn't just the spectacle inside. It was also the spectacle outside at the outdoor oceanfront cafes. Combine that with the sexy, Rio beach culture during the day and the balmy, coastal breezes blowing across the testosterone charged cafes at night, you could not duplicate the experience and maybe never will.

There were also always many, many Sao Paulo pros and semi-pros in Rio during the high tourist season. Hey, everybody needs a vacation.

Sorry for regressing, but I thought I would offer a different perspective.[/QUOTE]WyattEarp you are !00% spot on with your reminiscing. Help was the place. Sao Paulo had nothing like it & still does not and probably never will do! . Its thermas were good but Help was unique. Even Diego Maradona was a regular!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2085856]Everyone has their own opinion. I'm well traveled and I will tell you that Help Disco was the number one mongering destination in the world. It wasn't just the spectacle inside. It was also the spectacle outside at the outdoor oceanfront cafes. Combine that with the sexy, Rio beach culture during the day and the balmy, coastal breezes blowing across the testosterone charged cafes at night, you could not duplicate the experience and maybe never will.
Sorry for regressing, but I thought I would offer a different perspective.[/QUOTE]I went to Rio in 2004 and 2006 for Carnival and had a blast. I understand your need to regress. Having said that, I'm headed back there at the end of the year and I know it will not be the same, but I still want to experience the women, food, and culture again.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2085195]Genesis and Planning.

Other mongers may weigh these factors differently. If you are a Portuguese-speaking millionaire who wants to have anal sex with natural 10's, then RJ would be perfect for you. If you speak Portuguese, you will probably have better GFE and chemistry with the girls in RJ and can pursue independents at lower prices. If you are a millionaire like Justin Bieber or a basketball player, you can go to Centaurus with money to burn and find girls that speak English for a premium price. If anal is important to you, you will find it much more easily in RJ than in the Spanish-speaking destinations. If you want silicone-free 10's, I saw higher concentrations of them in RJ's top-tier termas than I have anywhere else. Personally, though, I would rather take the shorter flight to MDE and receive good BBBJ and Spanish-speaking GFE from tastefully enhanced 8's and 9's at the Mansion for half the price or less.[/QUOTE]Great report amigo!

Thanks for taking the time to write a print worthy TR!

I added your report to the ROD list!

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2085195]Genesis and Planning.
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Does Brazil have hotter women than Colombia? I would say that the top-tier termas of RJ had a higher proportion of 10's than anywhere else that I have been, including MDE and Cartagena (CTG). Nonetheless, the quality of the talent in RJ dropped sharply to CR and DR levels outside those top-tier termas, as I saw during my brief visits to 502 and Delirio Oriental. Similarly, I saw fewer girls in the general public of RJ that caught my eye, although that may have been because I did not go to the beach; the female population of MDE impressed me more overall. RJ's top-tier termas may have more 10's, but I found that MDE had a more balanced and even distribution of hotness throughout both its hooker and non-hooker populations and thus a larger and healthier supply of 8's, and 9's than RJ. In other words, the upper crust of RJ is hotter than that of MDE, but the average hotness of MDE is higher overall.[/QUOTE]GringoItaliano, nice report and analysis. Interesting that you began your good book with Genesis. Lol.

This is not a criticism just an opinion. You cannot experience the beauty of Rio's women without spending a weekend day at the beach. You should also visit Rio's trendy "regular" clubs where hotties usually hang out at night as well. I have been to Miami many times. I am always surprised that walking around the city I don't see hotter women. Show up at the beach on a sunny weekend or go to one of the hot clubs in Miami and Miami Beach late at night and it's a different story. You wonder where the hotties are the rest of the time.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2085641]I did try 502, but I left after 20 minutes. The talent there did not appeal to me at all, and the overall atmosphere and the DJ's taste in music (nothing but Brazilian funk) rubbed me the wrong way. Among other things, 502 had a higher proportion of black (er) girls, which did not suit my personal taste. As you can see from my selection of girls in my report, the white (r) girls were a better fit for my taste.[/QUOTE]I would agree with you that 502 normally just doesn't hit the mark. But, I found the branca pictured below in there, and she is one of the absolute best experiences I have ever had in Rio! So, it's always worth it to pop in there just to see what they have to offer. If it sucks, then you can split like you did and head to another place. And just remember. Like I said. I may be getting that butt hole 70% of the time in Brazil. But, I get that pussy 100% of the time hahaha!

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2085524]I think that you may have misunderstood what I meant to convey in that paragraph. I did not mean to imply that it was necessary to be a Portuguese-speaking millionaire in order to have anal sex with lots of Brazilian 10's.[/QUOTE]When I write a field report, I try to be very careful to say what I mean and mean what I say, lest I give somebody the wrong impression, which I certainly don't want to do. Your initial words might have given somebody the impression that you have to be a wealthy, Portuguese-speaking individual in order to have a good time in Brazil. I am neither, and I have a blast each time I go down there. If I can do that, then so too can any other middle class, Western guy like myself who doesn't have a strong grasp of the language (although my Spanish does help). That was my point. Thanks for clarifying.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2085641]I did try 502, but I left after 20 minutes. The talent there did not appeal to me at all, and the overall atmosphere and the DJ's taste in music (nothing but Brazilian funk) rubbed me the wrong way. Among other things, 502 had a higher proportion of black (er) girls, which did not suit my personal taste. I understood from my pre-trip research that the more inexpensive termas tend to have higher proportions of black (er) girls, whereas the more expensive termas tend to have higher proportions of white (r) girls. As you can see from my selection of girls in my report, the white (r) girls were a better fit for my taste. I read and admired your many reports on this thread and your use of your Portuguese language skills to get better prices and value for your money, but I could also tell that your taste in women differed from mine. I do not doubt that one could have a great time in the more inexpensive termas if the talent and the atmosphere there suit one's personal tastes, but what I saw at 502 suggested to me that the more inexpensive termas would not have worked for me as well.

As a first-timer with only a crash course in Portuguese, I also felt that it was a good idea, out of an abundance of caution, to stick to the well-trodden path that other mongers have reported in more detail on this thread.[/QUOTE]All love sir-however. Places like MV30 and even t31 have all types of girls. MV more whites and morenas than blacks and t31 is a mixture of morenas, blacks and a few whites.

502 is the deadest place.

Even VM you can find plenty of morenas-Italian / spanish / portuguese looking girls.

I have. You don't have to speak portugues even there. Just learn 65 for 30 minutes and 130 for 1 hour. Keep time. They are used to gringos but absolutely you should do what makes you comfortable just know hat there are more options available. As usual its about hitting all the spots and doing a bit of recon untill you see sth you like. Sometimes I have to come back twice in a night to same spot as some come later etc.
Matter fact,even trash spots have occasional hot fairer skinned girls.I have seen them.
Next time I will take you around if we are there simultaneously.

Based on the below feedback on my trip report from The Cane and FuckAfMedDig, it appears that 502 may not have been the best place to start my aborted tour of the cheaper Centro termas: 502, MV30, and T31. I had originally considered visiting all three of those cheaper termas but shifted gears after my brief and unsatisfying visit to 502; instead of MV30 and T31, I ended up going to the most expensive termas in RJ (Solarium and Centaurus). I had decided to start a tour of the cheaper termas with 502 because my pre-trip research suggested to me that it might be one of the best cheaper termas; Bubba's guide described it as a Tier 1 termas at Tier 2 prices. Perhaps 502 has gone downhill since Bubba wrote his guide years ago, but I did not find any more recent information in my pre-trip research to contradict his characterization. I figured that, if I did not like 502, I would like T31 and MV30 even less, so I revised my strategy and went to the pricier termas instead.

The smaller amount of information that I found on the cheaper termas did not inspire my confidence either. It sounded to me like some of the cheaper termas involved some sort of trade-off on either talent or facilities and atmosphere. For example, it sounded like T31 had good talent but questionable facilities and atmosphere, whereas MV30 had better facilities and atmosphere but lukewarm talent. I figured that if there is less reporting on the cheaper termas, perhaps there were good reasons to avoid them.

If anyone has any more detailed input on the cheaper termas, it would be worth adding it to this thread in order to balance out the more extensive coverage of the top-tier termas. For example, if anyone else thinks that 502 is a dud, as The Cane and FuckAfMedDig suggested, then it would be worth noting that for the record, so that other first-time visitors can avoid it and not waste their time there, as I did.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2086200]Based on the below feedback on my trip report from The Cane and FuckAfMedDig, it appears that 502 may not have been the best place to start my aborted tour of the cheaper Centro termas: 502, MV30, and T31. I had originally considered visiting all three of those cheaper termas but shifted gears after my brief and unsatisfying visit to 502; instead of MV30 and T31, I ended up going to the most expensive termas in RJ (Solarium and Centaurus). I had decided to start a tour of the cheaper termas with 502 because my pre-trip research suggested to me that it might be one of the best cheaper termas; Bubba's guide described it as a Tier 1 termas at Tier 2 prices. Perhaps 502 has gone downhill since Bubba wrote his guide years ago, but I did not find any more recent information in my pre-trip research to contradict his characterization. I figured that, if I did not like 502, I would like T31 and MV30 even less, so I revised my strategy and went to the pricier termas instead.

The smaller amount of information that I found on the cheaper termas did not inspire my confidence either. It sounded to me like some of the cheaper termas involved some sort of trade-off on either talent or facilities and atmosphere. For example, it sounded like T31 had good talent but questionable facilities and atmosphere, whereas MV30 had better facilities and atmosphere but lukewarm talent. I figured that if there is less reporting on the cheaper termas, perhaps there were good reasons to avoid them.

If anyone has any more detailed input on the cheaper termas, it would be worth adding it to this thread in order to balance out the more extensive coverage of the top-tier termas. For example, if anyone else thinks that 502 is a dud, as The Cane and FuckAfMedDig suggested, then it would be worth noting that for the record, so that other first-time visitors can avoid it and not waste their time there, as I did.[/QUOTE]T31 : only ugly women. Most women look old or have a tranvestite face.

502: there are some good looking women, every Monday, you don't pay for entrance. It is often dead in 502. You must be lucky to come across a good day in 502.

T31: there are some good looking women in t31, most women are dark-skinned and black.

My best place in Rio de Janeiro is 4 by 4. If you like women whiter better to go to high end termas or SP.

I wrote many reports about t31, 502 and mv30 in my previous trip.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2086200]Based on the below feedback on my trip report from The Cane and FuckAfMedDig, it appears that 502 may not have been the best place to start my aborted tour of the cheaper Centro termas: 502, MV30, and T31. I had originally considered visiting all three of those cheaper termas but shifted gears after my brief and unsatisfying visit to 502; instead of MV30 and T31, I ended up going to the most expensive termas in RJ (Solarium and Centaurus). I had decided to start a tour of the cheaper termas with 502 because my pre-trip research suggested to me that it might be one of the best cheaper termas; Bubba's guide described it as a Tier 1 termas at Tier 2 prices. Perhaps 502 has gone downhill since Bubba wrote his guide years ago, but I did not find any more recent information in my pre-trip research to contradict his characterization. I figured that, if I did not like 502, I would like T31 and MV30 even less, so I revised my strategy and went to the pricier termas instead..[/QUOTE]You did right bypassing the lower quality term as in my humble opinion. Shifting through shit for diamonds is okay for extended trips in Brazil but for a week or less I think going for the top tier is more than adequate. Full disclosure I have a pretty high income and I like 10's or at worst 9's. I like you did not like CTG and wished I would have chosen Brazil because I know the amount of 10's is unmatched.

[QUOTE=NewDude11;2086376]You did right bypassing the lower quality term as in my humble opinion. Shifting through shit for diamonds is okay for extended trips in Brazil but for a week or less I think going for the top tier is more than adequate. Full disclosure I have a pretty high income and I like 10's or at worst 9's. I like you did not like CTG and wished I would have chosen Brazil because I know the amount of 10's is unmatched.[/QUOTE]This is straight gringo talk and its just not true.

It doesn't take anytime to find rough diamonds-matter fact in 2 hours we could hit 10 centro lower tier spots and I almost guarantee we would find at least 2 v hot girls. Hot or hotter than Tier 1 termas.

Most of the time I find their performance much better than those in the "top" termas.

Granted you have to be into morenas claras, mulattas and also negras and indigenas.

If you are only after white girls Rio's p4 p scene is not the one.

ITS A BROWN CITY IN GENERAL!

Non pros yes-you can find but p4 p I think south of Rio provides the answer as that's where many whites settled in Brazil.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2086398]This is straight gringo talk and its just not true.

It doesn't take anytime to find rough diamonds-matter fact in 2 hours we could hit 10 centro lower tier spots and I almost guarantee we would find at least 2 v hot girls. Hot or hotter than Tier 1 termas.

Most of the time I find their performance much better than those in the "top" termas.

Granted you have to be into morenas claras, mulattas and also negras and indigenas.

If you are only after white girls Rio's p4 p scene is not the one.

ITS A BROWN CITY IN GENERAL!

Non pros yes-you can find but p4 p I think south of Rio provides the answer as that's where many whites settled in Brazil.[/QUOTE]Totally agree.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2086398]This is straight gringo talk and its just not true.

It doesn't take anytime to find rough diamonds-matter fact in 2 hours we could hit 10 centro lower tier spots and I almost guarantee we would find at least 2 v hot girls. Hot or hotter than Tier 1 termas.

Most of the time I find their performance much better than those in the "top" termas.

Granted you have to be into morenas claras, mulattas and also negras and indigenas.

If you are only after white girls Rio's p4 p scene is not the one.

ITS A BROWN CITY IN GENERAL!

Non pros yes-you can find but p4 p I think south of Rio provides the answer as that's where many whites settled in Brazil.[/QUOTE]Being a brown city is what I like about Brazil. I would love to have the time and knowledge to hit the lower centro spots but for stays 7 days or shorter it is a waste of time. Consider your viewpoint, you are very familiar with the city which is the polar opposite of someone visiting for a short time. Believe me I want the negras and morenas but I did not have time to plan my travels or the language ability to communicate to a taxi driver.

[QUOTE=NewDude11;2086376] Full disclosure I have a pretty high income and I like 10's or at worst 9's. I like you did not like CTG and wished I would have chosen Brazil because I know the amount of 10's is unmatched.[/QUOTE]If you want 10's and have a lot of disposable income, then yes the top-tier termas in RJ will probably be a good fit for you. I would suggest Solarium, if you want model-type whiter (r) women and upscale facilities and do not mind paying a premium. Centaurus. Not so much. The girls there are not hotter than any of the other termas. It is probably more expensive because it caters to gringos, many of the girls speak English, and Ipanema is expensive in general.

What did you dislike about CTG? Was it the (mis) behavior of the chicas there? If so, that raises another important point and another virtue of the termas business model. My experience at the RJ termas was the most drama-free week of mongering that I have ever had, with the possible exception of the MDE Mansion. None of the girls caused me any problems or otherwise misbehaved, e. G. None of them tried to swindle me, asked for money up front, changed the price after the fact, etc. That is one of the advantages of the controlled, fixed-price environment of the termas. Only the Mansion was as drama-free for me, as I believe that the smaller, more intimate environment, where everyone knows everyone else, created a "circle of trust" that encouraged people to be on their best behavior.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2085195]The reputation of Brazilians for greater passion and intensity in the sack was another significant factor in persuading me to go, and in this regard they did not meet my expectations. I found Colombians and even Dominicans to be better performers in this regard. To be fair though, the language barrier may have been a significant factor in impeding the development of mutual chemistry and the full GFE experience, which I was able to develop more consistently with Colombians and Dominicans by communicating with them in Spanish. My better experiences with termas girls who spoke at least a little bit of English probably demonstrated that communication was a significant factor in this regard.[/QUOTE]Excellent report on Rio; however, my experience with Brazilian garotas and Colombian and DR chicas differ totally from yours. I don't speak Portuguese but Brazilian women especially those I have sessioned in Rio have given me better service than anywhere else in the world. I have rudimentary Spanish skills and have had my worst sessions in the DR. I have had better sessions in Colombia but not as good as in Brazil. It may be an individual thing, perhaps Dominican women prefer your look to mine.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2086398]This is straight gringo talk and its just not true.

It doesn't take anytime to find rough diamonds-matter fact in 2 hours we could hit 10 centro lower tier spots and I almost guarantee we would find at least 2 v hot girls. Hot or hotter than Tier 1 termas.

Most of the time I find their performance much better than those in the "top" termas.

Granted you have to be into morenas claras, mulattas and also negras and indigenas.

If you are only after white girls Rio's p4 p scene is not the one.

ITS A BROWN CITY IN GENERAL!

Non pros yes-you can find but p4 p I think south of Rio provides the answer as that's where many whites settled in Brazil.[/QUOTE]Right on brotha!

After a week in Colombia, I'm heading back to Rio tonite.

Looking forward to than brown sugar.

I agree 100 % with your assessment.

I agree that the best gems in Centro you'll find in "lower spots", like privées ranging from R$20-100. In a very concentrated area you'll easily find 40 privées in 4-5 buildings. It's at those places you'll find the newbie diamonds.

I disagree about the recommendation that newbies and one week mongers should visit the privées. I hope they stay in their playground, the termas and Mab's. A bunch of loud, non-portuguese speaking gringos rumbling around in the privê-buildings knocking on wrong doors will just ruin the privê-scene. If the privées will continue to exist it's necessary that the customers knows how to behave and be discreet and not being an embarrassment. That could scare away the regular clients (the office-guys and other locals) or even cause the privê to be closed.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2086577]I don't speak Portuguese but Brazilian women, especially those I have sessioned in Rio, have given me better service than anywhere else in the world.[/QUOTE]I'll second that!

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2086574]If you want 10's and have a lot of disposable income, then yes the top-tier termas in RJ will probably be a good fit for you. I would suggest Solarium, if you want model-type whiter (r) women and upscale facilities and do not mind paying a premium. Centaurus. Not so much. The girls there are not hotter than any of the other termas. It is probably more expensive because it caters to gringos, many of the girls speak English, and Ipanema is expensive in general.

What did you dislike about CTG? Was it the (mis) behavior of the chicas there? If so, that raises another important point and another virtue of the termas business model. My experience at the RJ termas was the most drama-free week of mongering that I have ever had, with the possible exception of the MDE Mansion. None of the girls caused me any problems or otherwise misbehaved, e. G. None of them tried to swindle me, asked for money up front, changed the price after the fact, etc. That is one of the advantages of the controlled, fixed-price environment of the termas. Only the Mansion was as drama-free for me, as I believe that the smaller, more intimate environment, where everyone knows everyone else, created a "circle of trust" that encouraged people to be on their best behavior.[/QUOTE]The prices did not match the quality at all. I only seen two tens the entire time there and I visited the top spots or at least all the ones I am aware of. Also, I like curves but reall booty and titties not that deformed looking shit the Colombians had. Also, although I like brown or black women I will say even the white chicks in Brazil are hotter than the Colombians. The setup service and quality in Brazil is miles above Colombia and for black chicks, light years. Hell I would rather visit the DR than Colombia again, the chicks in Punta Cana were hotter and the same price.

I feel sorry for those living in Rocinha. Hopefully the army can do some clean-up.

[URL]http://www.jb.com.br/rio/noticias/2017/09/22/militares-do-exercito-e-aeronautica-comecam-cerco-a-comunidade-da-rocinha/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.msn.com/pt-br/noticias/brasil/delegado-pede-que-traficantes-encurralados-na-rocinha-se-entreguem/ar-AAsn0l6?li=AAggXC1[/URL]
[URL]https://oglobo.globo.com/rio/forcas-federais-nao-tem-previsao-para-sair-da-rocinha-21860059[/URL]

[QUOTE=Gertsch700;2085556]I currently have flights booked to Rio for February and am in an awkward situation. Should I cancel and rebook to DR?

DR seems to speak a lot more English than Brazil.

DR seems cheaper to eat, drink, monger and to live in general.

DR has better beaches in my opinion, whiter sand and clearer water.

Brazil, I have more chance of crime happening towards me.

I would like some help or even advice on where to choose. The only thing keeping me going to Brazil at the moment is the girls and me wanting to experience Brazilian culture and their women.

Do I take a massive risk and stay with Brazil or rebook with little risk for DR?

Help me choose![/QUOTE]A few things to say. Rio is a fabulous vibrant city in a large country, the DR is a small Caribbean island. In the DR, apart from the nightlife, there is not much to do but go to the beach. Rio offers more options like all big cities. If money is the concern then you will spend far less in the DR. Rio is more expensive than it used to be but has so much to offer that the choice is easy. Rio is far better than the DR. The crime levels are often exaggerated, that said leave an expensive watch at home and use common sense. Start learning some Portuguese, any efforts to speak their language will be well received.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2087060]I feel sorry for those living in Rocinha. Hopefully the army can do some clean-up.

[URL]http://www.jb.com.br/rio/noticias/2017/09/22/militares-do-exercito-e-aeronautica-comecam-cerco-a-comunidade-da-rocinha/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.msn.com/pt-br/noticias/brasil/delegado-pede-que-traficantes-encurralados-na-rocinha-se-entreguem/ar-AAsn0l6?li=AAggXC1[/URL]
[URL]https://oglobo.globo.com/rio/forcas-federais-nao-tem-previsao-para-sair-da-rocinha-21860059[/URL][/QUOTE]As long as the conditions don't change for that part of Rio's population -it won't.

Why would it?

The army can't camp out forever and pacification doesn't work.

[URL]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5wYwPzpgo_0/maxresdefault.jpg[/URL]

The 3 girls on the left of the picture, which city should I visit for these?

The Brazilians use the same model as the Americans did in Iraq. Wagner Mouro says as much in one of those UPP flix. 2014-16 were like the surge for the olympics and world cup, and now it's going to be like the years after when it all went to shit, ISIS came back; which may be good for biz, depending which biz you're in; for the biz of this board, it will be good.

I was consulting to sell non lethals to the locals a few back, probably better to sell lethals now, especially urban sniping kkkk.

And yeah, the best girls are the newest prive girls; and yeah, stay the fuck away; even better. Ah, well, will keep that for another time rsrs.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2087123]As long as the conditions don't change for that part of Rio's population -it won't.

Why would it?

The army can't camp out forever and pacification doesn't work.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gertsch700;2087131][URL]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5wYwPzpgo_0/maxresdefault.jpg[/URL]

The 3 girls on the left of the picture, which city should I visit for these?[/QUOTE]Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=Gertsch700;2087131][URL]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5wYwPzpgo_0/maxresdefault.jpg[/URL]

The 3 girls on the left of the picture, which city should I visit for these?[/QUOTE]IMHO. So Paulo has white chicks for days. FYI: the "chick" second from the right in the photo looks like a tranny! SMH!

[QUOTE=Sperto;2086704]I agree that the best gems in Centro you'll find in "lower spots", like prives ranging from R$20-100. In a very concentrated area you'll easily find 40 prives in 4-5 buildings. It's at those places you'll find the newbie diamonds.

I disagree about the recommendation that newbies and one week mongers should visit the prives. I hope they stay in their playground, the termas and Mab's..[/QUOTE]May I ask: are you a shareholder of a terma? Why should I not try to enjoy the same as locals? Because my race would not be accepted? Please clarify.

I am travelling all over the world and always try to find the places where the locals get their shot. Not the overpriced tourist traps. And I always was treated well by the ladies, perhaps also curious about the foreigner visiting them. What is not the case in many of the pimping bars or massage parlors.

Anyway: how to find those privare appartements?

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2088550]May I ask: are you a shareholder of a terma? Why should I not try to enjoy the same as locals? Because my race would not be accepted? Please clarify.

I am travelling all over the world and always try to find the places where the locals get their shot. Not the overpriced tourist traps. And I always was treated well by the ladies, perhaps also curious about the foreigner visiting them. What is not the case in many of the pimping bars or massage parlors.

Anyway: how to find those privare appartements?[/QUOTE]I agree. Would be interesting to see the local places and not the one "specialised" on tourists (MABS is for example awful meanwhile; did not see a single nice Lady over the last weeks there).

If you look for "prives in copacabana" you find some info here in the forum.

Would be happy to hit some places together if you around these days.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2088550]May I ask: are you a shareholder of a terma? Why should I not try to enjoy the same as locals? Because my race would not be accepted? Please clarify.

I am travelling all over the world and always try to find the places where the locals get their shot. Not the overpriced tourist traps. And I always was treated well by the ladies, perhaps also curious about the foreigner visiting them. What is not the case in many of the pimping bars or massage parlors.

Anyway: how to find those privare appartements?[/QUOTE]I agree. Would be interesting to see the local places and not the one "specialised" on tourists (MABS is for example awful these days what I saw). If you look for "prives in Copacabana" you find some here in the Forum.

Would also be nice to check out LAPA and whether freelance students hang out there.

Just returning from Monte Carlo Therma.

To me the place is less special as many Posts here suggested. Actually not very high Standard, and from the Girls there also were only 1-2 nice 8's or so.

I got a nice mulata, and she tried to immediately book our room for one hour. (Usually you pay 40 min, with a total damage of R470 without Drinks).

Suddenly the price would have been over R600 as the one hour obviously also mean the bigger rooms and not the super small ones used otherwise.

The Girl was nice. Face 10, Body 7, English 0. Yet, and that is most alarming to me, she had a big bruise on one of her legs. And I do not believe that she simply fell over a stair.

For me not a place to return.

I try to find some normal Girls in Lapa and perhaps some nice private house in Centro. So please share if you have up to date info.

Oh yes. Before Monte Carlo I went to "Massage RJ" just 2 streets further up (in the direction of Ipanema; opposite to McDonalds) which supposedly offers very nice Tantra, etc. Etc. Massages. Unfortunately it seemed to be closed. Me and a few other guys seemed to wander around but there was no open door. Only a church which just had all its community coming out. I believe the entrance would be just the door next to it, but nobody opened the door there. Perhaps the Problem was also that the Police was just parked on the crossroad up the street with red lights on.

Does somebody know if the entrance to Massage RJ is just next to that church, opposite to McDonalds (Av. Nossa Sra. De Copacabana 659) and if it is still up and running? Or were we all mislead.

[QUOTE=Aligeeli06;2088568]I agree. Would be interesting to see the local places and not the one "specialised" on tourists (MABS is for example awful these days what I saw). If you look for "prives in Copacabana" you find some here in the Forum.

Would also be nice to check out LAPA and whether freelance students hang out there.[/QUOTE]Its probably because the ex Gringos who now are fully integrated and speak portugues like myself and get treated like locals don't want the cheap privees overrun with green gringos who will drive the prices up and most likely get ripped off in quite a few of them!

LOL.

When newbies come to Rio with no portugues the tier 1 termas are the safest most gringo-friendly arenas to start in and most do.

If you're adventurous more power to you-you should hit VM, privees, trash spots, low cost fuck houses, tier 1,2,3 termas, afterhour boates and really dive in. Get ripped off. Have some great sessions. Have some shit sessions. That's how you learn quickly. I was lucky and had amazing sessions the first 10 day trip which totally fucked me up and got me addicted to Rio.

Lapa is a hang out for everyone including above mentioned...but mainly non-pros-very possible to score.

Get your feet wet then you will probably wanna learn portugues.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2085856]Everyone has their own opinion. I'm well traveled and I will tell you that Help Disco was the number one mongering destination in the world. It wasn't just the spectacle inside. It was also the spectacle outside at the outdoor oceanfront cafes. Combine that with the sexy, Rio beach culture during the day and the balmy, coastal breezes blowing across the testosterone charged cafes at night, you could not duplicate the experience and maybe never will.

There were also always many, many Sao Paulo pros and semi-pros in Rio during the high tourist season. Hey, everybody needs a vacation. The hottest girl I have ever been with was a SP girl working at Barbarellas. During the Naughty Noughts (2000s) in Rio, I would say the local Rio state girls were the most passionate. Girls from SP and Minas Gerais were some of the hottest, but I found their performance to be more variable.

Sorry for regressing, but I thought I would offer a different perspective.[/QUOTE]Great post WyattEarp. Help was the ground zero of the whole Brazil, if not South American, scene. You warmed up at Terraco Atlantico until later in the night the whole crowd entered Help. Help was well run, drinks were cheap and everybody enjoyed themselves. It was good honest fun. What with the beach scene during the day and Meia Pataca post beach and Help you had a perfect Bermuda triangle where some gringos got lost and were never seen of again. Rio is still good but desperately needs a new Help style disco.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2085856]Everyone has their own opinion. I'm well traveled and I will tell you that Help Disco was the number one mongering destination in the world. It wasn't just the spectacle inside. It was also the spectacle outside at the outdoor oceanfront cafes. Combine that with the sexy, Rio beach culture during the day and the balmy, coastal breezes blowing across the testosterone charged cafes at night, you could not duplicate the experience and maybe never will.

There were also always many, many Sao Paulo pros and semi-pros in Rio during the high tourist season. Hey, everybody needs a vacation. The hottest girl I have ever been with was a SP girl working at Barbarellas. During the Naughty Noughts (2000s) in Rio, I would say the local Rio state girls were the most passionate. Girls from SP and Minas Gerais were some of the hottest, but I found their performance to be more variable.

Sorry for regressing, but I thought I would offer a different perspective.[/QUOTE]Wyatt is absolutely correct about the retired Club Help. I first went to Rio back in 2004 and Club Help completely blew my mind and made me the monger I am today. Club Help was indeed the number one mongering spot in the world! Nothing came close and I have traveled all over the world!

Some of the most drop dead gorgeous women on planet earth! And, that's just the hookers on the outside! LOL! Many night's I never made it actually inside the club due to me finding a perfect 10 outside waiting for someone to pay her 15 reals to get inside help. I inside the club were hundreds and hundreds of the sexist hookers anywhere in the world. I fell in love every night in Rio. The music at help was awesome and the vibe was one of pure sex and love.

There will never be another Help. I was hooked on the Delrey in Costa Rica but now that quality is pure shit. I spend a lot of time in Medellin now and the Colombian women are gorgeous and way cheaper. I've booked a Feb trip to Blackbeards in the DR. We will see how that goes.

C5.

[QUOTE=Aligeeli06;2088598]Oh yes. Before Monte Carlo I went to "Massage RJ" just 2 streets further up (in the direction of Ipanema; opposite to McDonalds) which supposedly offers very nice Tantra, etc. Etc. Massages. Unfortunately it seemed to be closed. Me and a few other guys seemed to wander around but there was no open door. Only a church which just had all its community coming out. I believe the entrance would be just the door next to it, but nobody opened the door there.[/QUOTE]
The entrance is a galeria entrance, only 20 m wide. It's very easy to miss.
The sala number is also hard to read. You and the other guys should have knocked on some more doors and maybe have found the right door.
Good luck.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2088550]May I ask: are you a shareholder of a terma? Why should I not try to enjoy the same as locals? Because my race would not be accepted? Please clarify.

I am travelling all over the world and always try to find the places where the locals get their shot. Not the overpriced tourist traps. And I always was treated well by the ladies, perhaps also curious about the foreigner visiting them. What is not the case in many of the pimping bars or massage parlors.

Anyway: how to find those privare appartements?[/QUOTE]Finding prives in Rio de Janeiro is very easy. You can try Eden Spa, just google it. You can also get off in Carioca, it is only 7 stops from Copacabana. There are many prives like Bel Prazer.

Any recommendation for a inexpensive airline to GIG from Mia?

C5.

[QUOTE=Chris561;2088744]Wyatt is absolutely correct about the retired Club Help. I first went to Rio back in 2004 and Club Help completely blew my mind and made me the monger I am today. Club Help was indeed the number one mongering spot in the world! Nothing came close and I have traveled all over the world!

Some of the most drop dead gorgeous women on planet earth! And, that's just the hookers on the outside! LOL! Many night's I never made it actually inside the club due to me finding a perfect 10 outside waiting for someone to pay her 15 reals to get inside help. I inside the club were hundreds and hundreds of the sexist hookers anywhere in the world. I fell in love every night in Rio. The music at help was awesome and the vibe was one of pure sex and love.

There will never be another Help. I was hooked on the Delrey in Costa Rica but now that quality is pure shit. I spend a lot of time in Medellin now and the Colombian women are gorgeous and way cheaper. I've booked a Feb trip to Blackbeards in the DR. We will see how that goes.

C5.[/QUOTE]It funny talking about some about Help Disco as someone who passed away back in 2009. I was a college student at that time. I later understood that Help Disco played a major role by contributing towards Copacabana's economy. The rental and sale price of the apartments and hotels nearby went up the ceiling. Secondly, it provided job for several people. I remember seeing the same flower / candy lady, and photographer at Balcony several times. Sad but things change with time. An attorney friend of my told me that he hired a secretary who just graduated from college who had no clue ho to operate his fax machine. Help and Old Rio days are long gone like the fax machine.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2088923]It funny talking about some about Help Disco as someone who passed away back in 2009. I was a college student at that time. I later understood that Help Disco played a major role by contributing towards Copacabana's economy. The rental and sale price of the apartments and hotels nearby went up the ceiling. Secondly, it provided job for several people. I remember seeing the same flower / candy lady, and photographer at Balcony several times. Sad but things change with time. An attorney friend of my told me that he hired a secretary who just graduated from college who had no clue ho to operate his fax machine. Help and Old Rio days are long gone like the fax machine.[/QUOTE]There will never another Help. Sadly they fucked everything up by selling that building.

I am still a huge fan of 4 X4.

C5.

[QUOTE=Chris561;2088891]Any recommendation for a inexpensive airline to GIG from Mia?

C5.[/QUOTE]Have you tried [URL]Brazilianexpress.com[/URL]? Once I flew to GIG from BWI for US $450, included an 18 hour layover in Panama City on Copa Airlines (2007). Another flight from IAD to GIG on Copa Airlines for US $379.00, included an 18 hour layover in Bogota (2014). Both tickets were purchased 6 months in advance of travel dates. Hopes this helps. Cheers!

Found it!

Yesterday visited RJ Massage in Av Nossa Sra de Copacabana 680. It is indeed in the Shopping hall there, one Floor down and then up with the Elevator to Sala 1112. Very nice experience; unfortunately the nicest Lady (at the reception) is not doing massage. Still the tantric massage was great. Mixed with normal massage, body-to-body and "happy ending" R280 for an hour (the premium package.

Next up will be Centro and Vila Mimosa. Getting more adventurous and less pricey the upcoming days. Any good starting Point there?

To all of you who like to eat shitty fast-food, avoid McD*nalds in Bonsucesso. Two bandits ordered 40 hamburgers and wanted them for free. The staff didn't want to give away the hamburgers so the bandits returned and shot at the "restaurant".
It's almost like back in the nineties.
[URL]https://g1.globo.com/rio-de-janeiro/noticia/bandidos-metralham-lanchonete-ao-tentarem-roubar-40-sanduiches-em-bonsucesso.ghtml[/URL]

I am in Rio now and today I wanted to access the GpGuia website but I couldn't do it. I haven't visited the GpGuia website for a while so I don't know what is happening. Is it only me or am I doing something wrong? What about you guys, can you access GpGuia?

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2089179]I am in Rio now and today I wanted to access the GpGuia website but I couldn't do it. I haven't visited the GpGuia website for a while so I don't know what is happening. Is it only me or am I doing something wrong? What about you guys, can you access GpGuia?[/QUOTE][URL]Gpguia.net[/URL] is fine. [URL]Gpguia.com[/URL] is not the correct website.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2089195][URL]Gpguia.net[/URL] is fine. [URL]Gpguia.com[/URL] is not the correct website.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your answer. It is the [URL]Gpguia.net[/URL] website that I am trying to reach but I can't do it. So the problem seems to be on my side since you can access the website as usual, but I can't. Anyone has an idea of why I can't reach GpGuia? I would be grateful of any help to be able to access the website as I have been able to do in the past.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2089256]Thanks for your answer. It is the [URL]Gpguia.net[/URL] website that I am trying to reach but I can't do it. So the problem seems to be on my side since you can access the website as usual, but I can't. Anyone has an idea of why I can't reach GpGuia? I would be grateful of any help to be able to access the website as I have been able to do in the past.[/QUOTE]The site has dns problems. It works better w gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL].

It the most current and up to date board the locals use. GpGuia got to political hence, many stopped using and updating that board. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2089256]Thanks for your answer. It is the [URL]Gpguia.net[/URL] website that I am trying to reach but I can't do it. So the problem seems to be on my side since you can access the website as usual, but I can't. Anyone has an idea of why I can't reach GpGuia? I would be grateful of any help to be able to access the website as I have been able to do in the past.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2089079]Have you tried [URL]Brazilianexpress.com[/URL]? Once I flew to GIG from BWI for US $450, included an 18 hour layover in Panama City on Copa Airlines (2007). Another flight from IAD to GIG on Copa Airlines for US $379.00, included an 18 hour layover in Bogota (2014). Both tickets were purchased 6 months in advance of travel dates. Hopes this helps. Cheers![/QUOTE]I will definitely look into this. I'm OK with a layover. Got to get back to 4 X4!

C5.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2089338]The site has dns problems. It works better with gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;2089363]It the most current and up to date board the locals use. GpGuia got to political hence, many stopped using and updating that board. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your help, really helpful. I can access gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL] now. And I will also check out [URL]Forumx.com.br[/URL]. Such a good tip!

Check our website too, people. [URL]www.gparena.net[/URL]. Very updated with address, phones, specially in Rio.

Thanks, good foreigner friends!

[QUOTE=Chris561;2089067]There will never another Help. Sadly they fucked everything up by selling that building.

I am still a huge fan of 4 X4.

C5.[/QUOTE]One by one Rio's counselors snatched everything away from us. Help, Escort Service, and few Termas. Honestly, I lost the desire the go back to Brazil now. 4 X 4? Enjoy while it last. All the escort websites are full of 5-7 standard girls from Brazil in London. All Rio has to offer is and expensive Termas. The old Rio is dead forever.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;2089363]It the most current and up to date board the locals use. GpGuia got to political hence, many stopped using and updating that board. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Correct, in Rio forumx rules the roost.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2089756]One by one Rio's counselors snatched everything away from us. Help, Escort Service, and few Termas. Honestly, I lost the desire the go back to Brazil now. 4 X 4? Enjoy while it last. All the escort websites are full of 5-7 standard girls from Brazil in London. All Rio has to offer is and expensive Termas. The old Rio is dead forever.[/QUOTE]Love posts like these.

The old Rio is dead forever.

Everyone head to the DR! 😉

[QUOTE=Balboa;2089892]Love posts like these.

The old Rio is dead forever.

Everyone head to the DR! 😉[/QUOTE]Times change. We just have to accept that Help is gone- nearly 8 years since it closed its doors for the last time and Gringos are still talking about it. The irony is that it was demolished to make way for an absurd museum that still hasn't opened, and probably never will. Nobody visits Rio to see museums. Maybe there is potential to open a disco and restaurants in the building? They have to do something with the building!

Having said that there are plenty of places to enjoy a good time in Rio, Brazilians are still Brazilians, people don't change, they still know to have a good time more than any other nation on earth.

The Chinese have a saying "The more things change, the more they stay the same".

[QUOTE=Balboa;2089892]Love posts like these.

The old Rio is dead forever.

Everyone head to the DR! 😉[/QUOTE]I can't argue with this-even in the 4. 5 years I've been comin to Rio it has changed.

Rio's gdps are flocking to London. More and more casas are popping up or they are renting houses on their own.

I feel Rio will be more and more about learning portugese to make an impact.

The talent last time was measly and the best girls I find are from around the country in Brasil or an occasional trash spot.

I have minimal desire to return to Rio for p4 p-really its only lower tier and trash but can only do that for so long.

I'd come back for non-pros and personal reasons.

Its non-pro focus but even there I seem to meet hotter talent outside Rio who have less opportunities and therefore are more desperate to meet good dudes.

This evangelical hipocrite of a mayor is not helping Rio's p4 p cause and it sounds like SP is benefitting.

#RipRio except for privees!lol

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2089907]Times change. We just have to accept that Help is gone- nearly 8 years since it closed its doors for the last time and Gringos are still talking about it. The irony is that it was demolished to make way for an absurd museum that still hasn't opened, and probably never will. Nobody visits Rio to see museums. Maybe there is potential to open a disco and restaurants in the building? They have to do something with the building!

Having said that there are plenty of places to enjoy a good time in Rio, Brazilians are still Brazilians, people don't change, they still know to have a good time more than any other nation on earth.

The Chinese have a saying "The more things change, the more they stay the same".[/QUOTE]From a American ViewPoint, There is alot of gringos that want to go to Brazil, but plane tickets, hotel / apartments, and P4P price is very expensive, Brazil is the most expensive 3rd World Country I have ever been too. Its the reason why most gringos leave the country. We monger because vagina is much cheaper and the quality is better going overseas, So most Gringos head to DR or Columbia, Its more bang for your buck. Last time I went to Brazil, you hardly see gringos on the plane or in the termas, So with the lack of gringos, most working girls go overseas.

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2089907]Times change. We just have to accept that Help is gone- nearly 8 years since it closed its doors for the last time and Gringos are still talking about it. The irony is that it was demolished to make way for an absurd museum that still hasn't opened, and probably never will. Nobody visits Rio to see museums. Maybe there is potential to open a disco and restaurants in the building? They have to do something with the building!

Having said that there are plenty of places to enjoy a good time in Rio, Brazilians are still Brazilians, people don't change, they still know to have a good time more than any other nation on earth.

The Chinese have a saying "The more things change, the more they stay the same".[/QUOTE]Yepp I agree, and I was being sarcastic.

I dig Brazil, Love Rio, though just just like everywhere, it's always changing.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;2089363]It the most current and up to date board the locals use. GpGuia got to political hence, many stopped using and updating that board. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]I am finding it impossible -- and have for some time -- to register new accounts with ForumX. It lets you register, but the activation email never arrives. Anyone else tried recently?

But my account was terminated, I'm guessing because I have a foreign IP address; more specifically, a US IP address. I had registered twice and in both occasions my membership was terminated. The most recent membership was in February of this year and I haven't tried since. Since you live in Brazil, it should be much easier to join Forumx. Try using an indistinct user ID and e-mail address, but make sure the address has a ". Br" type e-mail address root and it should work. Good luck.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2090293]I am finding it impossible -- and have for some time -- to register new accounts with ForumX. It lets you register, but the activation email never arrives. Anyone else tried recently?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Balboa;2089892]Love posts like these.

The old Rio is dead forever.

Everyone head to the DR! 😉[/QUOTE]I have to be honest. DR can never beat Rio in this century regardless of the current shitty p4 p Rio scene. Brazilian girls actually love sex. However, the P4P scene have declined significantly which is bad for people like us. During my college days in 2008, I used to rent an apartment for 3 months straight during my summer time off for nearly US $600/ month and spent full 90 days there. I used to struggle with my mind over what to do each day. Karla, Scot show, Cia Plus escort, company girl, Help, 4 x 4, Terma Luomo (open 7 x days), Copa beach hookers etc. I used to have some girls on the side as well, like the supermarket working girls which I have banged quite a few. I banged 2 non pro Zona Sul supermercado working chiks too at that time which I was introduced by a local friend of mine. The options were endless. Rio was a paradise at that time. Fast forward to the year 2017. Barbarellas, and 4 other Termas in Rio are my last reasons left to ever return to Rio. Once they are closed I would consider it a final nail on the coffin.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2090628]Brazilian girls actually love sex. However, the P4P scene have declined significantly which is bad for people like us.[/QUOTE]Sao Paulo appears to still be going strong. No termas like I love, but more options than a monger can shake his dick at LOL! Check it out!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2090808] Brazilian girls actually love sex. However, the P4P scene have declined significantly which is bad for people like us. [/QUOTE]Brazil is still alive and well, But if you just want the old Brazil which was the point and click, your options are very limited now, The reason why the P4P scene is on the decline is that there are not a lot of foreigners that are visiting Brazil for mongering like they use too, Its not like the 90's or the early 2000's, So since they are hardly any tourist that come specifically for mongering. The Girls that use to come from all over Brazil to club help, don't bother coming to Copacabana. There is no real money. So its not worth the plane or bus ticket to go to Copacabana. Brazil is in a financial crisis best believe if you had a lot of guys coming to Brazil like they use to come in the late 90's, You will see a lot of girls coming to Copacabana.

Even in the termas the quality is also on the decline because again there are hardly any tourist that come to Brazil and also a lot of local Brazilians due to the crisis are not spending money in the termas like they use too. Termas use to have tourist to pick up the slack, but its all drying up. But again you just have to adapt. You have to get out of the sandbox, Try learning Portuguese, Learning the Language. Will open up so many doors. Also what I like to do, If your lazy like me. I have a Brazilian chick that I am friends with. She knows a lot of girls and she hooks me up with smoking hot Brazilian chicks that would never set foot in balcony or a termas for fear there families will find out and the sex is some of the best I ever had, better than any of the working girls you will be with in the termas or balcony. I give her a nice tip and she is grateful, Its easy money and we both win.