Thai Women - Opinions & Advice

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I wasn’t talking about getting married and having babies! I’m certainly not going to do that…at least the baby part...[/QUOTE]

Hummmm... I assume you have told her that and she's happy with it. Can't imagine though that a beautiful young woman from a fine family would not want to start her own family, which, of course, means having babies. Or, are you counting on the relationship to end amicably when the talk inevitably turns to family and babies? You can always find a new one, right? Except, IMHO, that kind of arrangement is not fair to either of you. Someone will probably be hurt.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Hummmm... I assume you have told her that and she's happy with it. Can't imagine though that a beautiful young woman from a fine family would not want to start her own family, which, of course, means having babies. Or, are you counting on the relationship to end amicably when the talk inevitably turns to family and babies? You can always find a new one, right? Except, IMHO, that kind of arrangement is not fair to either of you. Someone will probably be hurt.[/QUOTE]

You're a bit of an old softie, aren't you? Nice.

FYI. I can't have kids and she doesn't want them. She's told me that from day 1. That could change, of course as she gets older. But, she knows my situation and doesn't have any problem with it. We have a really great relationship. It surprises me, given the difference in age. But, she's truly the best girl I've ever known, not to mention quite cute and a real head-turner.



[QUOTE=Run Mann]I submit that no one knows the truth but the girls.[/QUOTE]


Run Mann

Well, I don't know whether any of the other women from TLL had ever been involved in P4P. You're right. It's hard to know these things for sure. But, most of them did have reasonably good jobs and most just weren't like any P4P girls I ever met. Despite your assertions, I have been here a long time, I know Thais extremely well and I am quite confident in my ability to assess TGs.

I do think your post grossly over-exagerates. Sure there are freelancers who are secretaries, shopgirls and even students. But, I honestly don't think the numbers are as large as people want to believe. Large numbers of uni girls turning tricks is an urban myth. A lot of the so-called students working at MPs are spurious at best and if students at all, are probably part-time and always come from the same few bottom-tier unis known for this (If you want the names of the these unis, I can easily supply them). In fact, I've met a number of fake students, even decked out in uniforms (easy enough to come by), who when I questioned them couldn't even give simple credible info. It's no secret that there's big money to be made, if you sell yourself as a student trying to make a little on the side. But, in many cases, these girls aren't legit. This country is not awash in prostitutes as your post would suggest. It may seem that way, if all you do is travel along well-worn paths. The other fact is that probably 90% of the estimated 2 million prostitutes in this country, even those in the Thai-oriented industry are from Isaan and are poor. Most aren't likely to have ever remotely been uni students, shopgirls, secretaries or anything else.

Yes Thais in general lie. But, if you live here long enough and are around them all the time, you do get to know how to read them. Quite honestly, a lot of posters on here, even those living here don't really have in-depth interaction with Thais, because they are ghetto-ized, and so you might have a point about some not really knowing for sure about their GF's past because they just can't read the culture. Add to that, that many end up with poor village girls and chances increase that, even if they didn't meet in a bar, that she may have had a brush with P4P at some time in her life. But, prostitution is born out of a need for money. Girls don't do it for fun. So, it's reasonable to assume that if a girl has money, already, either from her job or her family, she's not likely to have ever been anywhere near P4P. Also, I'm sorry. But, I do believe you can read the character of the girl and if you know her background and her family, you can be confident that she is what she says she is, especially if you have been here a long time and have in-depth knowledge of the people and the culture.

You live in Korea, not here. So, your POV is based on assumptions, not first-hand experience, or hard facts. It's an interesting post, but in many ways, it's a flawed one.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]Sounds like a dream girl, why did you let a catch like her get away?[/QUOTE]It's a long story, probably best told and not written out. Bottom line, she just wouldn't leave Thailand, because of her family. The visa thing wore us both out. I could go on, but that's the gist of it.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
Run Mann

Well, I don't know whether any of the other women from TLL had ever been involved in P4P. You're right.
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I asked questions and used some of the same repeated conversation/logic from this board. Also you don't know where I live; we don't all care to share our personal lives on this board. Your contention that if you don't live here then “your comments are based on assumptions" is flawed, funny you use this logic repeatedly on posters who don't share your views. Using that logic only people who live in Thailand can be provide data or speak about Thailand, its just not true. There are many samples one can use to support a position other that just living in the locale. However, many points in your post is refreshingly honestly and your answer does confirm what I was asking though, no one ever knows.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]When you learn enough of the lingo (meaning Isaan, not Thai) to understand what they gossip about with each other, it's pretty clear how limited they are in their thought processes and how screwed up they are. I never used to let on that I could understand them, always pretending to be fresh off the plane. Even when they knew me, it never occurred to them that a Farang could understand their Isaan "code". Listening to their mind-numbing, endless twaddle was what initially turned me off the whole bar scene.[/QUOTE]

Didn't you inform us last year that you'd recently made the effort to learn Isaan Lao?

[QUOTE=Run Mann]I asked questions and used some of the same repeated conversation/logic from this board. Also you don't know where I live; we don't all care to share our personal lives on this board. Your contention that if you don't live here then “your comments are based on assumptions" is flawed, funny you use this logic repeatedly on posters who don't share your views. Using that logic only people who live in Thailand can be provide data or speak about Thailand, its just not true. There are many samples one can use to support a position other that just living in the locale. However, many points in your post is refreshingly honestly and your answer does confirm what I was asking though, no one ever knows.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I thought you mentioned once in a post that you lived in Korea. My appologies. Well, anyway, we both make good points and it would be pretty boring on here if we totally agreed about everything.
I read your post yesterday, while sitting in a classroom with 35 20y.o. Thai girls and was looking at them thinking, "mmmmmmmmmmm...I wonder how many are hookers on the side?" :D Made me think, at least. HAHAHAHAHA

It continues to be an interesting discussion.

cheers

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Didn't you inform us last year that you'd recently made the effort to learn Isaan Lao?[/QUOTE]

I have understood a lot of Isaan for a long time. But, over the last 2 years, I've made more of an effort to learn to speak it. My comprehension is still far better than my speaking. But, it's an easier language to learn than Thai.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Sorry, I thought you mentioned once in a post that you lived in Korea. My appologies. Well, anyway, we both make good points and it would be pretty boring on here if we totally agreed about everything.
I read your post yesterday, while sitting in a classroom with 35 20y.o. Thai girls and was looking at them thinking, "mmmmmmmmmmm...I wonder how many are hookers on the side?" :D Made me think, at least. HAHAHAHAHA

It continues to be an interesting discussion.

cheers[/QUOTE]


I agree and you're right, I did mentioned that some time ago when I had a steady job but as a life long drifter, my home is now exclusively on the road. You did mention in that last post that you met a number of fake students decked out in uniforms. I get that selling yourself as a Uni girl is highly attractive option but how are the girls doing it while in uniform? Are you saying they are purposely dressing as a Uni girl in public in hopes of a score?

Also, a Uni girl working on the side to help with her expenses in all likelihood would not consider herself to be a hooker for various reasons, at least not in the denotative sense of the word. I personally know one girl in this category and I am grateful that she does not. Oh! Cheers to you too.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Maybe it's you who's boring, not the girls, and maybe]
Your phrase about "P4P options"...being "taken from us" reveals so much about you. Who the hell do you think you are and why do you think you have some right to P4P here?[/quote]

I am a human being, and P4P is a basic human right of both john and prostitute. For the State to interfere in such absolutely person matters is a clear violation of our rights.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I am a human being, and P4P is a basic human right of both john and prostitute. For the State to interfere in such absolutely person matters is a clear violation of our rights.[/QUOTE]

You're a funny guy, is what you are. Is that all you can come up with? I can't believe that you mean this silly statement to be taken seriously. But, I'll respond as if that's your intention.

No, Mr. O it's not your right, especially here. You are a guest. You have no rights or say in anything in LOS. As a Farang, your position here is so tenuous, you could be tossed out on your ass, without a reason. So, if the state wants to do something positive (job creation, increased salaries) to eradicate prostitution, it is THEIR right.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I am a human being, and P4P is a basic human right of both john and prostitute. For the State to interfere in such absolutely person matters is a clear violation of our rights.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]You're a funny guy, is what you are. Is that all you can come up with? I can't believe that you mean this silly statement to be taken seriously. But, I'll respond as if that's your intention.

No, Mr. O it's not your right, especially here. You are a guest. You have no rights or say in anything in LOS. As a Farang, your position here is so tenuous, you could be tossed out on your ass, without a reason. So, if the state wants to do something positive (job creation, increased salaries) to eradicate prostitution, it is THEIR right.[/QUOTE]

Opebo's statement, in itself, is not the slightest bit silly: It's completely correct. And you are also correct, OTH, that the Thai State can reduce prostitution to 'normal' levels through the [i]positive[/i] action that you and I long ago agreed is the way to go (something that Opebo, rather selfishly IMO, sees as a negative). But you and I both know that won't happen any time soon in that fucked-up country.

What point you are trying to make about the Thai Authorities being able to do what they want? Of course they can, the same as any country's Authorities. Are you issuing threats on ISG again? But what they won't do is change the (welcome) broad-opinioned discussions on ISG. And most of us ;) on here are far more civilised with Thai prostitutes than are the locals and others ;).

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Opebo's statement, in itself, is not the slightest bit silly: It's completely correct. And you are also correct, OTH, that the Thai State can reduce prostitution to 'normal' levels through the [i]positive[/i] action that you and I long ago agreed is the way to go (something that Opebo, rather selfishly IMO, sees as a negative). But you and I both know that won't happen any time soon in that fucked-up country.

What point you are trying to make about the Thai Authorities being able to do what they want? Of course they can, the same as any country's Authorities. Are you issuing threats on ISG again? But what they won't do is change the (welcome) broad-opinioned discussions on ISG. And most of us ;) on here are far more civilised with Thai prostitutes than are the locals and others ;).[/QUOTE]Only giving the girl a certain basic income in a regular job makes prostitution her real choice.

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Opebo's statement, in itself, is not the slightest bit silly: It's completely correct.[/QUOTE]

You can't be serious. Nobody has the 'right' to a prostitute. She has the right to make money any way she can, in order to survive. But, Opebo's belief in his entitlement is simply insulting to these women. The guy's a parasite and you know it.

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier] Are you issuing threats on ISG again?[/QUOTE]

What threat? I'm just stating a fact. I'm just as vulnerable as the next Farang in being tossed out of LOS for no reason. Anti-Farang sentiments are on the rise again as new edicts and rumours of new edicts kick in. An example of this is: at a time when there's a critical shortage of teachers in this country, especially English teachers, the Ministry of Education has just made it mandatory that all Farang teachers take a Thai Culture course for which they will be charged 7000 baht. There are other elements to this, including an age ceiling of 49. While on the surface, it may seem perfectly reasonable to require teachers to do this, the move, particularly the 7000 baht fee is designed to discourage Farang from teaching here. BTW it doesn't impact on me as I teach university and it's just for elementary and high school teachers. Still, it has sinister implications, and I understand that the new rule is forcing a lot of schools to hire Farang illegally which is only dangerous for the Farang - they could end up in jail, which has happened to a number of illegal teachers already.

More relevant to this thread is the news article to which Run Mann linked about the impact of Farang on Thai culture through mixed marriages, which continues to be a hot topic here. There's talk of putting limitations on Thai-Farang marriages and one way they might do this is further restrictions on visas.

Essentially, it's becoming more and more apparent that they just want Farang to come here for a holiday, spend their money and leave.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]You can't be serious. Nobody has the 'right' to a prostitute. She has the right to make money any way she can, in order to survive. But, Opebo's belief in his entitlement is simply insulting to these women. The guy's a parasite and you know it.

What threat? I'm just stating a fact. I'm just as vulnerable as the next Farang in being tossed out of LOS for no reason. Anti-Farang sentiments are on the rise again as new edicts and rumours of new edicts kick in. An example of this is: at a time when there's a critical shortage of teachers in this country, especially English teachers, the Ministry of Education has just made it mandatory that all Farang teachers take a Thai Culture course for which they will be charged 7000 baht. There are other elements to this, including an age ceiling of 49. While on the surface, it may seem perfectly reasonable to require teachers to do this, the move, particularly the 7000 baht fee is designed to discourage Farang from teaching here. BTW it doesn't impact on me as I teach university and it's just for elementary and high school teachers. Still, it has sinister implications, and I understand that the new rule is forcing a lot of schools to hire Farang illegally which is only dangerous for the Farang - they could end up in jail, which has happened to a number of illegal teachers already.

More relevant to this thread is the news article to which Run Mann linked about the impact of Farang on Thai culture through mixed marriages, which continues to be a hot topic here. There's talk of putting limitations on Thai-Farang marriages and one way they might do this is further restrictions on visas.

Essentially, it's becoming more and more apparent that they just want Farang to come here for a holiday, spend their money and leave.[/QUOTE]So, I can't "retire" and then teach in Thailans if I'm over 49?

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]You can't be serious. Nobody has the 'right' to a prostitute. She has the right to make money any way she can, in order to survive. But, Opebo's belief in his entitlement is simply insulting to these women. The guy's a parasite and you know it.

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Surely if a product or service is for sale, whether it be a new car, holiday or prostitute, then everyone has a "right" to buy it, provided they can stump the asking price. It doesn't matter who it is. Opebo, OTH or even Thaksin himself!

I've never met Opebo, but from his posts, it would appear he always pays the girl her dues, regardless of the nature of her services. Why therefore do you brand him a parasite?