Siem Reap

i arrived in siem reap after two weeks in thailand, first impressions were how hot this place is. brutal, far worse than bangkok. stayed at the boret angkor, a great hotel that felt like the green zone after the heat and poverty of the town itself. as always, armed with the info from another forum forum, i had some idea of where to start, so made for martini's about 9 in the evening. place is filled with cambodian teens through twenty-somethings. i was the only foreignor visible, which is a bit disconcerting but i'm kind of used to it. at the door, no cover charge, but about 7 or 8 girls that are clearly unattached. hardly any english spoken, but the mamasan in her thirties as well as staff at the nightclub communicated that the girls were $40 lt. looks ranged from amazing to just pretty good. somehow my radar was up, and i just didn't feel comfortable taking one home. some of them could have been ****, and i didn't see a foolproof way to verify the girls were over 18. not sure why, nothing specific, just a little voice that said be careful, so i listened to the little voice and just hung out for a while inside and outside the club, then left alone.

next afternoon, after the temples and a shower, jumped into a tuk-tuk and said the universal pussy-hunting call to the driver, "boom-boom? " then commenced the mid-afternoon provider search. first stop, a barely-open ktv-type place, opening bid was $100 us for my choice of early-thirties hardened *****s. ummm, no thanks. after driving around for a while, my driver stopped to consult with some of his tuk-tuk driving friends. nothing like listening to a conversation in another language when you know you are the subject. was offered $50 for a girl, sight unseen. umm, no, this is cambodia, that's a fucking fortune, clearly. stopped at another place, girl was in her late twenties or early thirties, looked friendly and sexy, so the negotiations started. they wanted me to pay in advance and do the deed onsite. i insisted on paying the girl, after, and going to my hotel. after a few minutes of this nonsense, i just got back in the tuk-tuk and said, take me back. of course, girl climbed in, no money upfront. got back to hotel, gave driver $5 for shlepping me all around town, and got down to business. girl turned out to be vietnamese, very nice but not really gfe. tight boddy, natural breasts without sagging, long nipples, flat tummy (my favorite! i can get fat chicks any day of the week here in the states without paying). took a shower, she washed me thoroughly, i washed her, a bit of munching (tasted fine and clean), great sex doggy style (my personal favorite). she gave a decent massage after, without me asking, then a second shot in her mouth, then time to go. i gave her agreed sum ($40), both parties left smiling, and watched her leave from my hotel balcony. my preferences are becoming clear, there's no reason to rut in a grubby back room if you have a clean hotel with a/c. and i think the girl prefers off-premises too, really.

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gad - you'd think that there was a premium price that HAD to be paid in SR. You actually could find out ages by asking - mama won't lie to you - they might lie to HER, but she won't lie to you. You probably could have gotten it for $25, 30 at most

I suppose you might just say "They saw me coming", but you paid high barang price and then some. (of course, the driver got a cut as well, but that's to be expected)

Girls DO prefer "upscale" - to them almost ANYTHING is "upscale"

I will be going to SR sometime in Sept for temple visit and of cos the girls.

Some friends recommended The Villa Siem Reap which seems to be a good and clean place to stay apart from "Sex Tourist Not Welcome" sign on its website.

Any bro ever stayed there before ? any advise on this issue?

Thanks

Many of the hotels in Cambodia have that type of sign, even in the rules chart that hangs oon the door or near the bed.

Temple Bar. On the back, in between the pool tables and near the toilet and the actual bar, plenty of girls. Some very nice, very sexy, some old, some fat. There are usually ladyboys too. Usual price is 20usd longtime, no need to negitiate, unless you take a model-type of girl.

Songkra (?) disco. Very nice, very near to pub st. Great music and dancing place, disco music and sometimes Cambodian pop. Plenty of great girls. If you look for the nice girls (young, sexy and pro) go there. There is a constant show on the lap with sexily (un)dressed supermodel. Plenty of freelance also.

Sometimes we think we chose the girls, but I believe they chose us, smiling and looking, coming to speak, beginning the nice touches, and so on.

So, at temple bar, my first night in sr a girl chose me. Her name aween. (but I have noted her friends call her with another name). Nice face, medium body, big but saggy tits, nice small pussy and ass, long legs, high. Her specialty is the smile, she smiles open and big, explodes in a beautiful and positive smile as soon as she wakes up in the morning. Even if she wakes up with a foreigner dick up her ass. As always happen in s. E. Asia very very gfe. She is my gf for 4 days, and I am her boyfriend. We fuck in the room, and she brings me to her friends, house, market and all.

At the end we were fucking bareback, even the ass. (I know.)

The last 2 days she wants me to come and stay at her home (a room shared with another young shy small wg), cook for me, fuck me at her bed. These girls (some of them) dream of marrying, having a relation, taking care of their husbands. And sometimes they do it for 4-5days to us (some of us). In some way it is sad.

When I left we both are very sad and cry. Take care of them all guys, they deserve it!

I never discuss the prices. Thanks to this forum I always have an idea of the current prices, take the girl, and after the service (be it massage, be it lt, be it st, or else) I give her the average price. They actually accept because the price of the forum is the real actual current price.

In SR the prices are 15 usd for ST and 20-30 for LT depending on the girl'aspect. At least for temple bar girls

In winter the prices go a up.

It is better never ask for the price. You know it, and she knows it too.

Several guest-houses or hotels refused me to bring a girl-guest if she is Cambodian and not another tourist.

It is always better to ask before. Even openly. Even very openly more than once. "it is ok if you bring any girl in, when you want. Just be careful where you pick them from. " was the receptionist final argument at FRESH Guest House, ner the market, stone-throwing distance from pub st.

10 usd night (12 with a/c). Bathroom, fridge and tv. No window. Very basic, but clean and useful.

[QUOTE=Mikle]Several guest-houses or hotels refused me to bring a girl-guest if she is Cambodian and not another tourist.
QUOTE]

Mikle, do some research on the guesthouse/hotel here in the forum. I was at the Golden Orange and the frontdesk never said a word when I brought a guest. I think it was $20/night w/ a/c and wireless internet and in-room safe. What more can a man ask for? If I go back to SR again, I will stay there again.

sook-see-bye’s siem reap

[b]disclaimer[/b]
this report is based on personal experiences and is current as of august-september 2008. as things change very rapidly in cambodia, please don’t place too much reliance on any reports (inc this one) as details go if more than a couple of months old! it’s nowhere near comprehensive but is written to be as helpful as possible.

[b]orientation[/b]
it maybe helps to think of siem reap in terms of a large cross, with the river running north-south and the airport road / national road 6 running west-east. there’s a main road each side of the river, and another north-south road you need to know, called sivutha boulevard, in the western half. as the river bends south-south-west in the south of the city, sivutha boulevard joins it. in this lower triangle is the old market area, including pub street. this is a main mongering area, although monger spots are all over (see pdp section).

free maps (including a 3d map) are readily available. if you’re here to do the angkor wat complex (the best reason for coming), bear in mind it covers a massive area – maybe 20 times the area of the whole of siem reap. most of it is situated to the north of the city.

[b]accommodation and food[/b]
i used mandalay inn for a couple of nights and then couldn’t be bothered moving. there are reasonable guest houses closer to pub street that save you the 2 minute walk, but mandalay is just to the south west of this area and has much to recommend it. i’d advise just turning up as they have been known to pull ‘fast’ ones on internet bookers. a double room with fan only cost me $8. upgrading to air-conditioning doubles the price. bear in mind that cambodian a/c in budget places is half-hearted compared to what you might expect. but the staff are genuinely nice, speak a bit of english, and i found the restaurant very good for quality, hygiene and price (dishes $2-3) although service can be slow. contrary to usual custom, they like payment when you start using the room rather than when you leave, but will back down if you feel uncomfortable about this.

the ivy bar has accommodation smack in the middle of old market, so might be a good choice for serious mongering. dead fish tower is an interesting venue and has rooms – it’s on sivutha at the north end of old market but i wouldn’t recommend it personally (good for a visit and to feed the pet crocodiles but the food is poor value and i met people who had walked out after finding rat droppings in their cocktail).

the upmarket hotels (and shops and so on) are mostly concentrated in the northern area of town and also in the (less than convenient) airport road.

the golden orange hotel (run by doug) is in the middle price range. it has the advantage of an english speaking owner and the slight disadvantage of being in the north of the city and so a motorbike drive away from the action. i met him a few times – his moods seem to swing from very affable to down in the dumps (siem reap is maybe no longer the paradise it was).

some of the best old market restaurants are in a narrow street called the passage than runs parallel (south) of pub street. the meric, located in hotel de la paix on the way to zone one, is an incredibly impressive venue if you wanted to show off to a non-pdp classy date. but the food is hardly the ‘best in cambodia’ as proclaimed by guide books – just very good (and expensive).

[b]angkor wat complex[/b]
a three day ticket allows you to relax and take it in your stride. do at least one day starting half an hour before sunrise. it helps to know something about it - or instead of being one of the wonders of the world it is a pile of old rocks. “the king’s last song” by geoff ryman is an award-winning novel and also brings it to life over various time periods – recommended. other than that, get a basic idea of the mahabarata on which much of it is based, the difference between hinduism and buddhism (which it was kind of built to establish) and an idea of cambodian history so you realise the greatness of the legacy. the overpriced but very modern angkor national museum also has a large number of multimedia exhibits to get you up to speed. if your interest is minimal and you want a one day pass (longer queues btw when i was there), set off half an hour before dawn, maybe do sunrise at the main angkor wat, then the very different ta phrom (for that ‘indiana jones feel) or an elephant ride up bakheng.

you can hire english-speaking guides. i saw many zombie-faced tourists going, 'ahu, ahu, yes, ahu,' as the guide yaddered away. i thought of someone who had never seen a ball game going to a world cup and having a 'guide' give a running commentary on the rules, why they were running in a certain direction, the teams, the players, <yawn>. some things are worth going to once you have an idea of what they are . . .

[b]pdp overview[/b]
the pdp scene is alive but hardly worth making the trip for imo. you can pick up girls all over old market, but bear in mind you can stick out like a sore thumb as the place is overrun with middle-class preppie couples types having an ‘exotic’ holiday. this is a far cry from phnom penh’s walkabout where lecherous mongers are the norm and non-mongers look out of place.

some suggestions –

i) exchange eye-contact with girls in bars or in the street anywhere in the old market area (but don’t assume they are p4p – most aren’t!) eventually you can take them back to your place or go back to their’s. with some reservations, i liked the temple bar downstairs late at night (the pool table area) where you can have several chicks competing over you. the big pick-up joint though is soksen palace, just off a side road on the south west of old market.

ii) walk or take a moto to zone one and then ignore zone one and check out the illegal brothels on either side. some are brightly lit and obvious. some you just go down an alley and look for the action (girls making it obvious they are interested or sleazy young cambodian guys checking you out and letting you in). to get to the zone one area, walk north along sivutha from old market and turn left at the big hotel de la paix. take the second right and carry on a hundred yards or so. zone one is a big night club complex on the right (you’ll see lots of young trendies pulling up on motorbikes).

iii) take a moto (or walk) to dreamworld. this is a large-ish brothel located across the river a short distance from old market. a bit more organised and nicer than the zone one knock shops. cross the bridge near old market and bear left a few hundred yards (as you cross the river, ignore the right fork with martinis and the street to the left along the river, just go straight ahead left.)

iv) just ask your moto driver.

there’s many other places - even as far out as airport rd - but as they change so often it seems almost the wrong approach to try and list them. siem reap is small enough to learn everything in a week anyway!

drugs in cambodia can be a bit hit and miss depending mostly where you go. i’ve seen ‘cialis’ in the mini-supermarket at $20 for 4 x 20mg though.

[b]shopping[/b]
in markets, start at about one third or even a quarter of the asking price, or simply ask the staff at your guest house what the cambodian price is for an item you are going to buy. prices in central market are lower than the tourist-orientated old market. add a [i]little[/i] extra as you’re a tourist (adding a lot does not, imo, help anyone but it does stimulate greed.) if you want to give some money to a good cause and not a scam, please visit beatocello on a saturday evening - you’ll see signs on the way to angkor wat – this eccentric cello-playing doctor has raised money for five free hospitals and has saved on average the lives of about half a million kids a year. donations of blood are also accepted if you’re skint. [url]http://beatocello.com[/url])


other quick cambodia overviews: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=791957&postcount=33[/url]

Hey guys,

There has to be another air carrier that flys to Siem Reap from HCMC than VN Air. Who are they and what is the cost. Got to go there again early October and want to fly on different air carrier so PM me or just post it and I'll check often before my flight in a couple of weeks

[QUOTE=Saltydog]Hey guys,

There has to be another air carrier that flys to Siem Reap from HCMC than VN Air. Who are they and what is the cost. Got to go there again early October and want to fly on different air carrier so PM me or just post it and I'll check often before my flight in a couple of weeks[/QUOTE]

Doubtful - nothing else officially listed - see flights in and out by destination [url]http://www.cambodia-airports.com/siemreap/en/info.asp[/url]

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Doubtful - nothing else officially listed - see flights in and out by destination [url]http://www.cambodia-airports.com/siemreap/en/info.asp[/url][/QUOTE]Guys don't check out PMT Air. There appears to be some kind of virus danger detected by my software.

OK, let me try again. Are there any Airlines flying out of HCMC to Siem Reap. There has to be more than only 1.

Don't forget guys, unless you have a good virus software program don't look up PMT Air.

Thanks Christopherd - this is the best report on Siem Reap I have seen in a long time. Good orientation guide and suggestions for Angkor Wat. I concur with many of the details as accurate in my experience there too.

On the PDP scene, a couple comments:
This summer I noticed that there are now girls hanging around in front of Temple Bar and they can be a bit aggressive - any single man walking by gets an offer... that was a little public for my taste, and surprising for Siem Reap.

Soksen is not only a pckup place (the disco) but also has its own brothel upstairs... just walk in past the disco on the ground floor and see the fishbowl to the right... select your girl, negotiate with mama or papasan and then they send you upstairs for the action. Not the cheapest, but maybe the easiest action in Siem Reap. Location is one street parallel to the little side street you take to the night market.

I did try Dreamworld - and I'm not sure of the names, but there are a couple of other brothels right along the same block or so. I was turned down at one (said none of the girls would do foreigners at the time I was there), but accepted at another... (the one that accepted me is right next door to a hotel, if that helps)...

I also tried one of the cheap brothels across the street (not exactly, but within a block or so) from Zone 1. A pretty good selection of girls for $10... not to everyone's taste, but interesting experience.

Great report! Thanks.

[QUOTE=Saltydog]Guys don't check out PMT Air. There appears to be some kind of virus danger detected by my software.

OK, let me try again. Are there any Airlines flying out of HCMC to Siem Reap. There has to be more than only 1.

Don't forget guys, unless you have a good virus software program don't look up PMT Air.[/QUOTE]Jetstar Asia I believe.