Fortaleza

Henry:

About the quick turnover, the reason is that Fortaleza is MUCH closer to "the backwoods" than Rio is. In other words, what's happeneing is that poor little girl from some village in the sticks needs money for whatever reason (usually becuase she had a kid at age 16, but could be she wants a new stove, she's bored with her life, Daddy needs a new goat, who knows), so she goes to the big city - Fortaleza - to make money. Which 9 times out of 10 means hooking in Iracema. So she does that for a few months, gets the money she needs and goes back home.. or onwards to Recife, Rio, or Sao Paulo. Because if she gets a "taste" for hooking and decides that she likes the money / lifestyle, she soon says, why the hell should I be making chump change in Fortaleza when I can make "real money" in Copacabana, Sao Paulo, etc.. (from there they go to Spain, Italy...). So that's why the turnover, basically Fortaleza is a way station. And that's why less turnover in Rio, it's the destination (although Rio has it's own turnover dynamic).

Tom B.

Yes, Brazilian bitches have become a big export for the country of Brazil. There are many to be find in the brothels of Portugal, Spain, and Italy. They are also being exported to Japan to be used as sex slaves for Asian men as well. Many of the Brazilian girls I met had already been offered sex positions or even marriage by foreign men from all over the world, including Holland, U.S. Germany, Japan, Korea, and Italy.

Most of the prostitutes were just waiting for the right offer to come along, because of course they are scared to go to another country in the beginning. But after making dollars and Euros and Yen, they ultimately cannot really resist.

The worse are the ones who have already been abroad and come back, like many of the ones you will find in Help Disco in Rio. I would not touch those with a 10 foot pole. Either they are hardened to the point of have zero feelings, or they have STD. Be very aware in Rio de Janeiro, and come to Fortaleza for the less experiened ones who are just starting as junior bitches BEFORE moving to Rio and Sao Paulo as professional hookers.

hi guys,

just back from three weeks in for. been there 7 times and each time i get back i find the whole scene getting worse and worse. four or five years ago girls were everywhere, happy to hook up with a foreigner to spend some time together and, obviously, get some money (everyone needs food, ok?).

30-40r$ a day were the word, but many times they just wanted a small tip at the end of the "relationship".

expecially in the last year, since a new disco was opened (dom angelo, now kapital), everything has turned to business. every given night the same show going on, with first time italians or dutchmen laughing at the table with some hardcore hooker ready to rip them off. plenty of young tourists, even under 20yo, acting as they are in ibiza or something like that.

now price is always negotiated (and this is an advice, as many girls will threaten you when problems come out in the room), and it's 100r$ minimum, with some asking up to 250-300. the overall quality is poor, in praia de iracema, around cafè do mar and kapital there are around about 200-300 girls, with 50-100 male tourist (this goes for late april-early may, in august ratio goes up to 1:1 and girls are more than happy to go back to the disco to pick up another you when you're "finished").

as i said 200-300 girls are there every night, monday night, when the pirata is opened, the number increases to almost 500, i think, but cuties are 5-10, with no 9, and 1 to 3 eights. man, i was desperate.

inside kapital music is loud, where they play forrò, and louder inside the disco itself, on the upper level.

girls' attitude is terrible, some girls living in a "favela" acting as princess, with tourists behind her trying to make her sit at their table, girls shouting in the face of some poor guy, same old lesbians i know since 1999 playing pool, pimps for their female friends.
i found all of this very sad, and i admin i felt uncomfortable many times in this vacation, maybe as i never felt before.

it's a market, all part of a business, with girls travelling to europe 3 or 4 times with 3 or 4 different partners speaking to you in dutch or italian, with clear signs of 1 or 2 babies in their past.

beira mar is full of beggars and people trying to sell you the most unuseful things of the world, with hookers, mostly 3's and 4's, looking at you.

last week police shut down bikini bar and europa bar because of some **** girls inside with fake documents, looking for some money or, worse, to frame some tourist threatening to call the police if you don't pay. some foreigners were fined 400r$ for not having their passport, and were taken to the police station all night.

cearà governement is looking at what is going on at praia iracema, and kapital and cafè do mar are still opened thanks to their lawyers. one of them is a local politician, too (hey, this is brazil after all). during last 4-5 nights there were policemen (with the shirt "poder judiciario") inside the disco, checking the scene.

i did not enjoy my last time in fortaleza, and i won't go back because of these reasons, better go for luck in some other place in the world.

bye all.

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Tatase,

Sorry to hear about your ruined vacations. The way you described it made it sound like Rio. I am sure you can still find places in Brazil that looked and felt like Fortaleza before it became comercialized by international tourism. Just takes some looking and adventurous spirit.

Any visitors going to Fortaleza should be aware of the news that came out tuesday, where a total of 27 out of 70 tourists inspected were found without their passports in Iracema beach by an operation started by the local police to target sexual tourism. Out of those 27 only 7 were arrested and fined 900 reais which they must pay if they want to ever step back into Brazil. The other 20 were able to send friends or girlfriends to their hotels to bring them their passports and avoid arrest. In accordance with brazilian law, any foreigner must show his or her passport once solicited by any authority. The police will target most bars where foreign presence is most noted, mainly those suspected of allowing prostitution, specially with minors. In the process, one bar and a club were shut down. The local police commander said these operations will be repeated specially monday nights, when more cases with minors prostitution is noted. Watch your backs in Iracema.

Thanks for ALL your information fellaz. I had made a nice color copy of my passport, but I think i'll carry it in a thigh pouch on my leg under my clothes now just incase they try and tell me a copy isn't good enough.

I'll certainly keep you all posted on any reports and any difficulties I have. I wanted to read this one last time b4 I ran out of the house for my 9:55AM flight. I'm out the door fellaz!

Fortaleza, here I come!

Are there some updated news from Fortaleza? Silent? Are the situation as bad as some previous posts indicate ? My second summer vacation in Forta starts 27. June. Should a person with normal, healthy goals avoid the city and travel somewhere else in Brazil? I appreciate “fresh” opinions very much. Sorry for my English (my Portuguese are even worse)

hi guys,

i had a very bad news from a girl i knew in fortaleza during my last visit.

the police fined about 40 foreigners (especially italiens) that were in disco kapital without passport; twelve of them were with **** girls, so they were brought to the prison. the disco was closed by the police.

the girl isn't a pro and doesn't go to the disco; she had news watching local tv.

i can't be sure about all of that, but seems that now there are too much problems mongering in iracema.

any information from other mongers is welcome.

Fortaleza Update.

Reliable sources told me yesterday that an italian tourist died in Fortaleza due to drug overdose last week.

Since then police presence in Praia de Iracema has increased, and crackdown vs tourists is heavy by now. Almost every night there are cops checking documents and fining people without.

Bye.

Thank you boys for this info.

Its sad to hear this, former Dom Angelo/now Disco Kapital was my favourite place during my last stay. It was so steamy, hot and easy, just to line up behind those forró/salsa/techno dancing chick, dance a little against her beautiful butt, and she was mine, at least for that night.

But shit, how hard can it be to bring a passport?

Lately I have been flirting with some non-pro girls on MSN. They claim to be students, and are able to write in English, which makes everything more easy for a North – European. Some photos are received and some of them even have a web cam in their girls room. I guess they are from the middle class of Fortaleza. I have several telephone numbers and some promising agreement of meeting some of those cute 18 – 20 years old students. I have used the same method several times in Estonia, Europe, with great luck, just meeting some hot teenagers one week-end, just for friendship and sex. I am aware of the danger next morning, when some of them like to go to shopping and receive gifts, but I try not to fall in love with them.

In the beginning they where very sceptical, but after some talking, they seems to melt and become more and more personal and (girl) friendly. We will see.

I am 42, but I like to believe I am 32 on the dance floor and 22 at the “nach-spiel” Especially when having a mix of 7 - 8 Caipirinha and Viagra onboard !

I enclose a photo from Tallinn, Estonia, related to abovementioned.

Hello Everyone! This is my first post to the forum. To all the past posters - THANK YOU - and I hope this post will be of some use to future travelers to Fortaleza.

Being my first trip to Brazil, I did not know what to expect. I heard many stories of people's travels to Brazil. Always praise of going and regret for coming back. I felt the same as I got on the plane to and from Brazil and am already doing everything in my power to get back as soon as possible. I wouldn’t have classified my trip as a mongering trip due to the fact that I was visiting an old friend from college. From people’s stories on this site, I knew I was in for a treat and Fortaleza met up to my expectations. However, this site provided great information during my travels as to where to find women and in general what to expect.

As a point of reference, I wanted to give everyone some stats on me. I’m 26 years old from the US. Decent looking and in shape and have taken a couple months of Portuguese classes. Not enough to converse freely, but enough to communicate. I went to Fortaleza to hang out with a good friend from college that is from Fortaleza and works at a nice hotel there. I wasn’t so much of an outsider and that might have made things easier for me.

To start off, I wanted to comment on Tatase's comments on Fortaleza:

“Girls' attitude is terrible, some girls living in a "favela" acting as princess, with tourists behind her trying to make her sit at their table, girls shouting in the face of some poor guy, same old lesbians I know since 1999 playing pool, pimps for their female friends. I found all of this very sad, and I admin I felt uncomfortable many times in this vacation, maybe as I never felt before.”

My comments: I found the girls really friendly and interested to meet someone. When I walked into a club, I usually got stares from one or two girls. I would pick the best looking one and within an hour I was making out with them in the club. My friend from Fortaleza took me to some clubs (Ole Club and ArreEgua) that seemed to not have many “garotas de programme” and I did feel a little more attitude. But when I got through the communications problems, they were as nice as could be.

Beira Mar is full of beggars and people trying to sell you the most unuseful things of the world, with hookers, mostly 3's and 4's, looking at you.

My comments: Also, Beira Mar has lots of prostitutes. I was propositioned by a cute 17 year old. I told her no because she was too young and she showed me an “obviously” fake ID and said he was actually 19 years old. This was right after she said she was 17. I ran from that as fast as possible. It is true, there are a lot of peddlers, but that seems to be normal in Brazil.

My experiences with the women in Fortaleza were good. Over a 3 week periond, I hooked up with 5 girls, I had sex with 3, and I made out in a club with 2, and during my last week there, I hooked up with a cutie for several days of GFE. We ended up having sex morning noon and night. It was like heaven. Wake up to a BBBJ, then sex, and then I would shower while she made me breakfast, and then more sex. All I ever paid was for dinner and going around Fortaleza. I paid went to a “bath” house one night on recommendation from a friend and paid for some pretty good sex from this super hottie from Curitiba. But I thought the GFE sex was many times better than what I paid for.

As I read more of these posts from people about the cops and etc, it makes me wonder. Fortaleza may or may not be like it use to be, but I had a really good time there. My advice to anyone thinking of going is TO GO! I didn’t meet anyone there that regrets it. There are many hot women to go around and the only way you would get sex there is by being blind, deaf, and without genitals. To be honest, I wouldn’t even count those people out. Where there is a will, there is a way!!!

Here is my list of preferential clubs in Fortaleza and the night to go to them:

Monday – Pirata
Tuesday – Pagode Mais o Minus
Wednesday – Ole Club – it’s a womens club until 11:30, so go a little before and you will have the pick of the litter…TRUST ME!
Thursday – Croco Beach
Friday – Mucuripe
Saturday – Lots of Places – Depends on what you want
Sunday – Orbita

Hope this helps some of you out!

I must agree with the bad news: a friend of mine was in Fort last week and he told me that he was stopped two times in two days: both of the times he showed the copy of his passport but wasn't accepted. The first time he paid R 100 at the police to avoid to be taken to the station; the second time (the same policeman!!!) took him to the station and had to pay a fee. I know it sounds incredible, but he insisted in not taking with him the passport just because he talked with other tourists that had the passport stolen in the disco. Anyway after the second esperience in the police station (he said he was treated like a shit!), he decided not to go anymore to Iracema (he said that it wasn't so good) and tried some nights (which had the problem that are pretty far from the center and expensive but at least without police giving you problems.

The final comment is that Fortaleza is very fastly becoming like big towns, dangeruos and expensive, but without the good choise you can have there (he told that the comparison between good looking girls ad tourists was 1:5 and that even the so so looking garotas wanted at least 150 R!!!, unbelievable just one year ago).
Hope it helps, bye.

Cyber Stylz,

first of all I'm happy for your vacation, after all the only important thing is to have fun in life, as it seems you had.

Then let me explain to you and to others reading this forum some things about Fortaleza:

1) normal girls in Fortaleza won't even talk to you in public, as too many sex tourists have been there. They would be marked as prostitutes by their friends. Please believe me, the more you think she's a good girl, the more she is good in acting. I fuck 1 girl every 2-3 months in my country, and why in the hell when I am in Brazil I get to fuck 2 a day ?? The answer is obvious.

2) 3-4 girls in 3 weeks@Brazil is what I call a nightmare. 10 would be acceptable, 15 is good. But this is obviously my opinion.

3) People like you, who can't understand Portuguese or so, can't see what's going on around, can't get what girls say to each other, can't notice signs they do to their friends, and so on. When the girls sees your attention is going where it shouldn't go, then they say something stupid, and it all ends with a laugh. I've seen thousands like this.

4) When I'm in Brazil, I want sex, man. I mean, BBBJ is entry level,
anal is mandatory (it's Brazil!!!), 2 girls with 1 man is recommended.
As I reported in my post many hookers now want simply you to pop, and to get away as soon as possible. Well, maybe you were lucky with your girls, but generally attitude increases when quality goes down in Fortaleza.

5) Girls' quality. I found extremely hard to find a girl above 6. On any given night@Kapital and other places, there is a 7 every 200-300 girls, and she goes down to 4 if I consider her attitude.
Many of them get a newbie at his first appearance there (and they are like sharks for this) around 10:00PM and at midnight they're ready for round two, or to spend the gringo's money with her girlfriend (BTW, did I mention that 3-4 out of 10 pro's in FOR are true lesbians ??).

But this is only my point of view, based on all the times I was there. It's like Cuba, one goes there now, fucks a 6 of 19 years, and gets the time of his life. I'd probably mark that as my worst experience in the world.

Howewer, as I said, I'm happy for you, but FOR is no more my destination.

Hi guys,

I am returning to Brazil in September and want to see more places outside of Rio. I'm thinking of Fortaleza and/or Recife. Any feedback on how these two compare? Are there better places to see for mongering? I didn't like Salvador too much. Thanks!

Yo Doc Bill!

As you are looking for an alternative, then how about Canoa Quebrada?

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