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[QUOTE=Lukasek]
Btw could we expect that the apts around Help will become a bit cheaper now ? Cause for example me, now I would prefer an apt between MC and L'Uomo or close to a metro station instead walking distance from Help.[/QUOTE]
True to brasilian form, they will raise the price of the apartments because less people are staying there. Exact opposite of the American mindset of (Less demand = lower prices).
Anyone ever rent from this woman? Rita Codanda
I'm still looking for a place to stay on my last night 12-30-09 I depart on the 31th late. (News Years) This woman has a nice apt but I'm not sure if It's legit. I'm very disappointed to hear HELP is closing. I have an apt near HELP rented for most of my trip and was looking forward to checking it out.
[QUOTE=Lukasek]So far as it is sure Help will close, better sooner than later, especially I am curious about where the girls will move.... Balcony and MP are too small for all the GDP that in january were inside Help.
Btw could we expect that the apts around Help will become a bit cheaper now ? Cause for example me, now I would prefer an apt between MC and L'Uomo or close to a metro station instead walking distance from Help.[/QUOTE]Balconey will always be packed, I think the rest will spread out through all the restraunts along the beach front. I think that the action will be alot earlier in the night. Peak time around 9pm. It will be very interesting to see. Apartments will be the same prices. If not more expensive round help. It's Brazil we are talking about after all.
[QUOTE=Lukasek]So far as it is sure Help will close, better sooner than later, especially I am curious about where the girls will move.... Balcony and MP are too small for all the GDP that in january were inside Help.[/QUOTE]
Possibilities :
* Help opening a venue in Villa Mimosa ?
* A samba school where garotas could meet turistas ?
* Some spots in Lapa that are already packed with prostitutes at night ? (av Gomes Freire, av Augusto Severo, etc)
* Circo voador, also in Lapa ?
* Carioca da Gema and other music venues in Lapa that could turn into meat markets ?
I'm curios to see what the Copa-scene will look after Help closes.
Frankly, I don't expect much differences. Balcony will be the winner. MP will get some of the cake. Prado Junior will also get a bite.
It's not like it's an army of Help-girls that get employed. They'll propably just spread out:
- The lazy spoilt ones will continue trying their luck in Copa. After a couple of years they'll understand that they have passed the data de validade and disappears.
- The clever and good-looking GPs enters a a new market with brazilian customers or start working at a terma or Centro casa.
- The desperate GPs start running after old gringos in Copa. Get me pregnant and marry me!
- The poor coke-GPs will do their tricks on the pista and fade away quickly.
- The hardworking GPs gets down to VM to do some real honest work.
- The smart GPs have money saved and opens up a small shop etc.
- The GPs who lost their hope will return to the Norteast/interior or try to marry a poor guy in a favela.
Most propably will more Balcony-style places open where gringos will fell comfortable and attract the Copa GPs.
Just had an interesting discussion with someone about Balcony and the GDP clientele. They seemed to think just because the place had a lot of people around that it was a good business. Not the business I would want. I go there and will most likely go there later tonight. The girls take up space and spend virtually nothing. Guys come because of the girls and many of them too spend very little. Compared to the club next door, which was lining middle-class Brazilians out in the street paying cover and drinks the last time I was here, Balcony bar makes chicken feed. Unless someone is making money directly off the GDPs, which is illegal, I can think of no reason to want them anywhere near your business.
What if GDPs and gringoes will loot Mud Bug, next to Copacabana Palace? Lots of space, not nearly as big as Help but somewhat bigger than Balcony. Also its already very western style.... Only but is that the owners do not encourage such business... Mud Bug is packed with brasilians anyway... But if gringoes go there, GDPs will follow.
[QUOTE=Exec Talent] Compared to the club next door, which was lining middle-class Brazilians out in the street paying cover and drinks the last time I was here, Balcony bar makes chicken feed. [/QUOTE]
In August, the club next to Balcony was not a middle-class Brasilian club anymore - it was a boite.
[QUOTE=The Watcher]In August, the club next to Balcony was not a middle-class Brasilian club anymore - it was a boite.[/QUOTE]Dolce Vida
Last Friday Night there was a line to get in around 10:30 that reached Ave Atlatica and wrapped around again. At least 150 people in line. Many hot regular brazilain 20 somethings.
[QUOTE=Exec Talent]Just had an interesting discussion with someone about Balcony and the GDP clientele. They seemed to think just because the place had a lot of people around that it was a good business. Not the business I would want. I go there and will most likely go there later tonight. The girls take up space and spend virtually nothing. Guys come because of the girls and many of them too spend very little. Compared to the club next door, which was lining middle-class Brazilians out in the street paying cover and drinks the last time I was here, Balcony bar makes chicken feed. Unless someone is making money directly off the GDPs, which is illegal, I can think of no reason to want them anywhere near your business.[/QUOTE]
Help mongers are not cheap, if they were they wouldn't be hanging out at Help they would be at Balcony today.
When Help closes they will follow the pink and buy the red bulls and whiskies.
Guys are we sure that the owner/staff of Help will not move to another disco maybe more hidden and that all the GDP will follow too ?
Even with Help working Balcony was packed, later will have to reserve a chair one week in advance....at least LOL.
I confirm, the club next door Balcony was a normal disco in january and in september I was surprised became a boite, I paid some fixed price for 2 drinks, the man at entrance told me all the girls inside did program, but I left very soon, they all were bad looking even if inside was dark.
And if the action will start earlier I am happy, next time I want to enjoy the beach at the morning too and not only late afternoon cause I stayed all the night at Help talking with friends....something that indeed I can do during day time too.
[QUOTE=Perkele]What if GDPs and gringoes will loot Mud Bug, next to Copacabana Palace? Lots of space, not nearly as big as Help but somewhat bigger than Balcony. Also its already very western style.... Only but is that the owners do not encourage such business... Mud Bug is packed with brasilians anyway... But if gringoes go there, GDPs will follow.[/QUOTE]
I have never been there but heard about it, sounds like a sports bar but I think you have the right idea.
My money is on Bunker in Copacabana, its a large club, close to Help but out of the way. It's big enough and neatly tucked away enough not to attract attention like Help does today. Don't forget Help at one time was one of the biggest clubs in South America untill Via Show came along so it needs a club of good size to replace it.
[QUOTE=Exec Talent]Just had an interesting discussion with someone about Balcony and the GDP clientele. Compared to the club next door, which was lining middle-class Brazilians out in the street paying cover and drinks the last time I was here,...[/QUOTE][QUOTE=The Watcher]In August, the club next to Balcony was not a middle-class Brasilian club anymore - it was a boite.[/QUOTE]The Club immediately next door to Balcony, (actually above Balcony) is the old Holiday Club, it reopened as a restaurant - club. Guess it didn't do as well as hoped, as it's now a strip club, (I didn't catch the name.)
The Club ET is referring to, is located on the the second or third floor of the Ouro Verde Hotel. In late Sept, the line to get in was also out in the street. And Yes it was full of young middle class Brasilians. Guess it's the new HOT club for them.
[QUOTE=The Watcher]In August, the club next to Balcony was not a middle-class Brasilian club anymore - it was a boite.[/QUOTE]
Dolce Vita was indeed a regular club for a short time and now is a strip club (and yes, there is a club a few doors down that caters to the young middle-class Brazilian crowd).
I asked the doorman why the change and his answer made me laugh. I quote him -- The club did well Friday and Saturday as a regular club but not so well during the week. Putas do well all days of the week!
[quote=sangue bon]help mongers are not cheap, if they were they wouldn't be hanging out at help they would be at balcony today.
when help closes they will follow the pink and buy the red bulls and whiskies.[/quote]
i was at balcony tonight. my girl and i pulled another girl out of there who was an absolute sweetheart, beautiful with perfrect carmel colored skin. we had two cairpirinhas, three chopees -- total including tip r$43. i have no idea what a red bull and whiskey might cost.