Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Monomensch; 1538413][url]http://youtu.be/HyaEY8lFidc[/url]

Enjoy![/QUOTE]7:53 to 8:10. That is exactly why I don't DFK Thai women.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1538664]In this week's Stickman man column, he writes: "A handful of readers have asked why I shirk mentioning the Bangkok gogo bar most popular with expats in recent months. It's not Bacarra and nor is it Rainbow 4, still the two busiest chrome pole houses. This particular venue is easily the most popular with expats in the know with all sorts of stuff happening right in the bar. Some say it is the closest to how the bars were in the '90s. I won't mention the name of the venue in this column because of a problem with numbers. I will say no more."

Curious, uninformed minds wonder, what he is talking about?[/QUOTE]Hard to tell, but I like his reports overall. And I see his escort story. Note some girls are supposedly making 200, 000 bahts per month and that's at a regular agency, with many over time permanently taken by customers outside the business. I see the word "engaged?" I guess these guys are marrying just a higher level bar girl?. Or probably more like mistress arrangements.

What's also amazing is there is a reference to ultra hot off-agency private escorts who per the story are only available to rich Thais (no Japs or Chinese either apparently) so I guess they are making even more money as the woman says these guys will pay anything for beauty.

Lot of these (legit) models in town must be doing some serious side work

It does make one wonder how for example Terminal 21 front desk girls (some drop dead beauties) can work at such low pay, but most probably have a rich Thai boyfriend providing a luxurious day to day lifestyle. While in the west easily its 99% of young women vs lets say 95% Bangkok that rule out P4P, obviously most young women consider getting paid to have sex with strangers totally repulsive and something they would never never consider. Particularly in Bangkok now with so many rich Thais available to make them into legit girlfriends.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1538795]Hard to tell, but I like his reports overall. And I see his escort story.

It does make one wonder how for example Terminal 21 front desk girls (some drop dead beauties) can work at such low pay, but most probably have a rich Thai boyfriend providing a luxurious day to day lifestyle. While in the west easily its 99% of young women vs lets say 95% Bangkok that rule out P4P, obviously most young women consider getting paid to have sex with strangers totally repulsive and something they would never never consider. Particularly in Bangkok now with so many rich Thais available to make them into legit girlfriends.[/QUOTE]I've been reading his weekly articles for a few years. Some ISG members seem to dislike him. I find some of his articles interesting and helpful. I am growing tired of his threats to leave the LOS, with yet another article about that yesterday. I wonder if he just whips out one of those when he hasn't bothered to put together a real article.

In my experience there is a big difference between the average gogo girl and a good escort. Of course I am comparing an average in one category to a good in the other. I restrict my comparison to good escorts because as I've posted several times in the past many escort agencies are really booking agencies for MP girls. Stickman made the same statement in his article. Compare the MP ladies to some of the escort agencies girls and some are one in the same, though the names may change. This is why I recommend using either a good escort agency or booking a good MP for overnight outcall directly through the MP.

I think it's common knowledge that some of the shop and office ladies moonlight for extra money. Guys who have the time to do some serious hunting and practice real pickup skills have successes looking for young ladies in the shops and malls. I've picked up ladies in nice hotel bars who have good jobs, speak English very well, along with one or two other languages and travel on business. A couple have said they worked in industries I knew well enough to ask questions only someone working in that industry would know. They checked out.

A number of years ago I got very lucky once. A prominent Thai businessman I knew hooked me up with a "date" for a dinner with several other Thai business men and their girlfriends. This same guy introduced me to the fancy Thai-centric soapy MPs. At any rate it turned out my date was a Thai soap opera actress. She had a minor but recurring part and did commercials: magazines, billboards and TV. She was beautiful. Spoke almost no English, but dinner conversation was segregated by gender. As for the sex, it was okay, but not spectacular. Definitely not PSE. I think she tried to make it GFE, but as many of you know it is not natural for Thai ladies to engage in a lot of heavy petting that makes extensive use of the mouth.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1538768]You fail to see the relevance? Let me explain it to you: Harold a few days back claimed #15 at R4 is nowhere near being a stunner, but instead only reminded him of his blowup doll. Since many readers have no idea what this girl looks like one way or the other, when I happened to come across a video showing various Go Go girls walking on Soi 4 which also had a reasonably clear shot of #15, I posted it to let others judge.

Except for Mai #196, I've not found much in Rainbow 4 in terms of looks, vibrant personality, and English skills, but that said there are always many lovely girls in the club. Rainbow 4 is a great entertainment venue and I believe one of the best Go Go's in Bangkok, but on any given night there are 1000's of girls available elsewhere, most at more reasonable prices.[/QUOTE]Make up your mind. Before it was stunners as far as the eye could see. Now you don't see much. There hasn't much to look at at R 4 for quite some time now.

The high season that never was is now gone. What a disappointment.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1538811]I've been reading his weekly articles for a few years. Some ISG members seem to dislike him. I find some of his articles interesting and helpful. I am growing tired of his threats to leave the LOS, with yet another article about that yesterday. I wonder if he just whips out one of those when he hasn't bothered to put together a real article.

In my experience there is a big difference between the average gogo girl and a good escort. Of course I am comparing an average in one category to a good in the other. I restrict my comparison to good escorts because as I've posted several times in the past many escort agencies are really booking agencies for MP girls. Stickman made the same statement in his article. Compare the MP ladies to some of the escort agencies girls and some are one in the same, though the names may change. This is why I recommend using either a good escort agency or booking a good MP for overnight outcall directly through the MP.

I think it's common knowledge that some of the shop and office ladies moonlight for extra money. Guys who have the time to do some serious hunting and practice real pickup skills have successes looking for young ladies in the shops and malls. I've picked up ladies in nice hotel bars who have good jobs, speak English very well, along with one or two other languages and travel on business. A couple have said they worked in industries I knew well enough to ask questions only someone working in that industry would know. They checked out.

A number of years ago I got very lucky once. A prominent Thai businessman I knew hooked me up with a "date" for a dinner with several other Thai business men and their girlfriends. This same guy introduced me to the fancy Thai-centric soapy MPs. At any rate it turned out my date was a Thai soap opera actress. She had a minor but recurring part and did commercials: magazines, billboards and TV. She was beautiful. Spoke almost no English, but dinner conversation was segregated by gender. As for the sex, it was okay, but not spectacular. Definitely not PSE. I think she tried to make it GFE, but as many of you know it is not natural for Thai ladies to engage in a lot of heavy petting that makes extensive use of the mouth.[/QUOTE]My guess is that the pictures are honest. They makeup the girls, light them properly, and take real photos without then photoshopping it, as that's the only way to be honest about the process. However how with only 9 girls can they claim to be the most successful agency in Bangkok? I even had at least one girl out of Beergarden both younger and equally as hot as probably 6 of the 9 girls pictured, and with good English skills. So something here doesn't make any sense. Now that particular Beergarden girl was in the in the semi pro market which as I said it much easier to understand and benefit from when you are her either in Bangkok very frequently or all the time. Now in regard to the agency owner, what did make sense is she said Indians were a lot of her clients, and I can understand why that might happen. But them she tries to claim she doesn't know what the current client mix is? That's not credible at all.

Yes, I understand many escort services are merely massage parlor girls who sometimes go out, and that's the difference between real agencies vs not so good services. A lot of agency customer I believe are very time constricted, and that's why i guess they go that route in the first place.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1538811]I think she tried to make it GFE, but as many of you know it is not natural for Thai ladies to engage in a lot of heavy petting that makes extensive use of the mouth.[/QUOTE]In regard to kissing, and I verified this with a number of Thai girls, even in serious legit (real life) Thai boyfriend-girlfriend situations full mouth kissing either LFK (close to the traditional Hollywood style romantic mouth to mouth kissing) or DFK is not all that common. They kiss on the cheek and combine it with a sort smelling their loved one, same in Cambodia.

However there is an emerging trend toward full mouth kissing with younger people in Thailand willing to experiment with western practices. Kissing in fact is far safer than many realize, and of course by definition is BB. And many (50% in my experience) Thai P4P types will engage in it if you treat them with respect and are clean shaven. With some you can sense the newness to them, and many are at least low 8 level beauties who have kept their modesty given the sheer numbers of high 8's and 9's running around Bangkok, and this makes kissing them that much better as normally you are at least a few times complimenting them about their beauty (in a real sense as these girls are actually quite pretty in absolute terms). So kissing goes together very well with that. Of course when you kiss 9 plus level P4P gorgeous girls, its not bad either, but better in the less frequent cases where girls have not quite figured out how beautiful they really are.

[QUOTE=Western787][The "hello girls" outside Soi Cowboy bars are] a deliberate deception. [They] look like G club quality, the inference being they are between dance sets and thus ready to go back to the club and available to be barfined. In fact they are (barely legal if even that) young teens acting purely as touts. This is certainly relevant to a discussion of the merits of Soi Cowboy vs Nana. When you see hotties hanging outside Rainbow 4 in Nana Plaza, those girls *are* available. Many Soi Cowboy girls hanging outside are not even "Coyotes" which by definition are girls that DANCE but don't normally (with some exceptions) barfine.[/QUOTE]Perceptive commentary from Mr. 787.

I had read numerous online reports about the downfall of Soi Cowboy since my last visit in 2010, and in January I saw it for myself.

To my horror, I saw that it is now a destination for falang tourists who aren't even close to interested in the pay-to-play scene. I saw all manner of couples strolling up and down. I even saw single falang women.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

At least on Walking Street in Pattaya there are 'civilian' restaurants and bars. But Soi Cowboy is a tiny little block which has virtually nothing to recommend it unless you're a naughty boy. With everything else there is to see in Bangkok, why come there at night?

The tourists gawked at the punters and the girls like they were visiting a zoo.

The bars now cater to the Looky Loos by setting up outdoor seating. Why would you pay 180 baht for a beer to sit on the sidewalk and judge the guys scuttling by? I even saw civilians *inside* the clubs. Again, what's the fucking point?

'Oh look Nell, that woman has comically large breasts! '

'Indeed! And look at the poor dear sitting with that portly bald gentleman. He's old enough to be her father! '

For their part the naughty boys seemed to be staying away in droves. Granted it was the middle of the week and the political unrest had just started to break out. But when the legendary Baccara is empty that tells you the punters have voted with their feet.

With respect to the 'hello girls' any guy who's spent more than five minutes in any red light district anywhere on the planet will state with categorical assurance venues that offer value for money don't need hawkers or barkers. On the contrary, the wise punter steers clear of any joint employing them because once you're inside it's almost certain to be a clip joint. The emergence of these girls touting the bars they stand in front of is distressing, to say the least.

I made the rounds, drinking a single beer at several different places. There were a handful of decent girls at Baccara. If somebody put a gun to my head and forced me to go with a Soi Cowboy girl, I would have probably pulled from there. Tilac had enough girls on stage to get me to sit down and buy a beer, but after five minutes I realized the lineup was devoid of talent. Several of the girls were total cows.

My last stop was at a club I'd never heard of, I think it was the Cowboy 2. The lineup was lousy in there as well, but there was one girl who was absolutely stunning. She was supermodel tall and toned, with a gorgeous face that suggested her father might be falang. She was sitting with a younger chap who looked like a military guy. Good on you soldier.

All in all, Soi Cowboy V2014 struck me as a place *FAR* past its prime, a place squeezing out a little money from people who wouldn't have come near it back in its heyday, a place coasting on its naughty reputation even as those who appreciate naughty have abandoned it.

It reminded me a little of New Orleans in the late 80s and early 90s, a place pretending to be dangerous, but really just smelly and expensive.

I spent the rest of my time in town enjoying Nana Plaza and the scene on Soi 4.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Bunky;1538826]I had read numerous online reports about the downfall of Soi Cowboy since my last visit in 2010, and in January I saw it for myself.[/QUOTE]I was talking to an american, and this guy is low 30's, very good looking, and in an extremely high paid profession, so he had the bahts on him, and he told me when he approached one of the young lovelies in November outside one of the Soi Cowboy bars and inquired about the barfine, he was told by her it was 10, 000 bahts. I guess he wanted an 18 year old at that particular moment, but wisely rejected such a nonsensical fee.

LOL, I am guessing a more typical sex tourist might get a 20,000 baht barfine quote.

By the way some of these young girls that look like G club level quality from a distance, are many times just scrawny teens up close

[QUOTE=Western787; 1538820]However how with only 9 girls can they claim to be the most successful agency in Bangkok?

Yes, I understand many escort services are merely massage parlor girls who sometimes go out, and that's the difference between real agencies vs not so good services. A lot of agency customer I believe are very time constricted, and that's why I guess they go that route in the first place.[/QUOTE]I also thought that was a ridiculous statement. I think they are reliable and reputable, and the ladies are exclusive to them. I have referred a few ISG members to them. I got good feedback from these guys about the ladies. However, there are other agencies that are at least as good.

Over the years I've seen a lot of escorts in various countries. I used to travel a lot on business. I wanted a lady I knew I would be pleased with show up in my room for a few hours of fun and maybe as a dinner companion. Price wasn't an issue. Work and travel took up almost all my time, so when I had an evening or a Sunday to myself, I would want to take advantage of it. I didn't want to waste time. Good escorts are ideal for this. Some were regulars who I would see whenever I was in town. In a new city I might see an escort recommended to me, sometimes by an escort I knew in another city.

[QUOTE=Tiradentes;1538776]7:53 to 8:10. That is exactly why I don't DFK Thai women.[/QUOTE]Jeez, they're just grasshoppers. Never eaten chapulines?

[QUOTE=Western787;1538825]However there is an emerging trend toward full mouth kissing with younger people in Thailand willing to experiment with western practices.[/QUOTE]My date was a number of years ago. I'm under the impression Thai ladies who try DFK discover they enjoy it. Same with DATY.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1538832]Jeez, they're just grasshoppers. Never eaten chapulines? :D[/QUOTE]LOL, if one is worried about what has previously been in a girls mouth or what she has actually disgested, and you think about each item or substance we might as well become a Monk as its not a pretty picture. Just think of Cinderella before you kiss them.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1538833]My date was a number of years ago. I'm under the impression Thai ladies who try DFK discover they enjoy it. Same with DATY.[/QUOTE]I think that is 100% correct. True story just recently,"nice girl" P4P type, among other thingsshe takes no shower and minus shoes jumps into bed in hotel with full street clothes on, under the covers, then later confirms she doesn't offer oral, but then after backrubbing me, I say "OK I massage YOU now, with my mouth" (as I point to my mouth then her pussy). All of a sudden her head is nodding like 3 times, in effect yes yes yes.

This girl does kiss, the one thing I asked for up front and her jumping in bed was accompanied by her lips being readied and was on her side awaiting me, not bad, and of course she does do FS. A very pretty and slender and feminine girl. One you'd probably never see in a P4P situation in the west, and her one flaw? Discolored teeth, and therefore needed teeth veneers or caps. In the USA it would be unheard of for a 23 old girl like this to not have her teeth fixed by that age. Its partly why Thai girls are the way they are, many have not been spoiled yet,

In the new Stickman escort agency article, the claims being made make absolutely no sense.

Now this agency apparently only handles about 9 girls, yet one would think it was the Pentagon War Room by saying "a bank of computers are against one wall, monitors displaying studio photos of pretty girls, some in their finery, some in, well, not much at all. Strewn over the table in front of us are mobile phones and seldom is there any quiet time when one isn't ringing. Some of the same pretty ladies in the glamour photos are sitting on a sofa beside me. One has a sultry look seemingly permanently etched on her face and whenever I look at her, her eyes glow. If we were in a bar, I'd say she was giving me the glad eye. But we're not in a bar. We're in the outskirts of Bangkok, in a huge studio condo of a few hundred square metres. There is sexual energy in the air. I'm sitting in the nerve centre of BangkokEscort. Com, an escort agency that has emerged as perhaps the leading agency of its type in Bangkok."

So phones ring constantly all day for a small agency even though the owner admits business is 50% off, and this in arguably the world's biggest P4P market (itself lacking customers) and one offering hot P4P girls everywhere you look.

Perhaps there are a lot of desperate horny Indian guy who have banned from every other venue in Bangkok and Pattaya, so they are left to make 1000's of inbound calls a day focused on this one agency. I guess that is possible.

Then the owner proclaims "Cherry" as the most popular girl. That doesn't make sense either. Ok I am sure she is a nice person but anyone with 1500 bahts could do better tonight in Nana Parking Lot.

[quote=paul kausch;1538833]my date was a number of years ago. i'm under the impression thai ladies who try dfk discover they enjoy it. same with daty.[/quote]my experience with a not insubstantial number of thai ladies, ranging from late teens to early 40s, is that very few of them are good kissers. it truly doesn't seem to be part of the culture for all but perhaps the youngest. now most of them tended to like it, but obviously had little practical experience. my current gf (only one previous farang bf and one jap or korean, i don't remember which) does like it, but it's a rather sloppy affair, overall. i only ever met one lady who not only enjoyed it but was very skillful. she worked a small bar in cm, cute but not the best looker and, unfortunately, was most likely ****. :(

if these girls were learning from farang, it's obvious that you guys are terrible kissers, too! :d

the daty thing is absolutely true. those from strong buddhist backgrounds have little experience in it. thai guys won't do it (don't know about the younger generation). i had one lady once refuse, then relent somewhat, telling me how much it was against her buddhist upbringing. but most seem to really dig it once they experience it a couple of times.