Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2925512]Moderator, this is paid FSB disinformation.[/QUOTE]You cannot debate or argue my points. Run along now.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2925839]You cannot debate or argue my points. Run along now.[/QUOTE]Can't debate someone that has drunk the FSB cool aid.

The NATO expansion argument has been debunked in this thread multiple times, yet here is again.

[QUOTE=VinDici;2925951]Can't debate someone that has drunk the FSB cool aid.

The NATO expansion argument has been debunked in this thread multiple times, yet here is again.[/QUOTE]How has it been debunked? If Ukraine was neutral, there would be no war right now. And if the west hadn't removed the democratically elected president in 2014 and installed a puppet anti Russian government. Crimea would still be a part of Ukraine. Ukraine wouldn't be wrecked today.

So what did Ukraine achieve by sucking up to the west and NATO?

Ukraine will NEVER join NATO.

[URL]https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html[/URL]

A reminder. The above was written long before the events in Georgia on August 8, 2008 and before the summit.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Bucharest_summit[/URL]

At that time there was absolutely no real interest on the part of the people of Ukraine to join the alliance.

For years any success in joining NATO or EU for that matter by Ukraine was described in Ukraine by a phrase that can be translated as 'to shove in the unshoveable'.

Folks who argue for such success can be only described as intellectual hunchbacks, and we got a nice proverb for the kind, 'Only the grave will heal a hunchback'.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2925988]How has it been debunked? If Ukraine was neutral, there would be no war right now. And if the west hadn't removed the democratically elected president in 2014 and installed a puppet anti Russian government. Crimea would still be a part of Ukraine. Ukraine wouldn't be wrecked today.

So what did Ukraine achieve by sucking up to the west and NATO?

Ukraine will NEVER join NATO.[/QUOTE]It's not the neutrality you were seeking when you poisoned Yuschenko and propped up a degenerate ex-felon Yanukovich. You wanted IINO Ukraine -- Independent in the Name Only.

And what did Russia achieve other than having shot itself in the balls?

- Two neutral countries have joined Nato.

- The new Nato-Russia border is doubled with an addition of nearly 1,000 miles.

- The Baltic Sea is now a Nato lake.

- The Black Sea in Crimea is not accessible to Putin's fleet anymore.

- Russia proper is being hit every single day.

- Over a thousand of dead orcs daily.

- 530,000 dead and crippled orcs since the beginning of the war.

- Nearly 50% of Russia's economy is working for the war and state security.

Well, boys, you bit more than you can chew. Now chock on it.

Russia hasn't been THIS fucked since 1942.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2925988]How has it been debunked? If Ukraine was neutral, there would be no war right now. And if the west hadn't removed the democratically elected president in 2014 and installed a puppet anti Russian government. Crimea would still be a part of Ukraine. Ukraine wouldn't be wrecked today.

So what did Ukraine achieve by sucking up to the west and NATO?

Ukraine will NEVER join NATO.[/QUOTE]Read the threads from 2 years back. You're just parroting the Kremlin, none of what you're saying makes any sense.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2926002]

- Over a thousand of dead orcs daily.

- 530,000 dead and crippled orcs since the beginning of the war.
.[/QUOTE]How many Ukrainians have died?

[QUOTE=VinDici;2926044]Read the threads from 2 years back. You're just parroting the Kremlin, none of what you're saying makes any sense.[/QUOTE]You can't debate me.

[QUOTE=Questner;2925994][URL]https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html[/URL]

A reminder. The above was written long before the events in Georgia on August 8, 2008 and before the summit.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Bucharest_summit[/URL]

At that time there was absolutely no real interest on the part of the people of Ukraine to join the alliance.

For years any success in joining NATO or EU for that matter by Ukraine was described in Ukraine by a phrase that can be translated as 'to shove in the unshoveable'.

Folks who argue for such success can be only described as intellectual hunchbacks, and we got a nice proverb for the kind, 'Only the grave will heal a hunchback'.[/QUOTE]The pro Ukraine tools on here will ignore that. They will also ignore Putin's famous speech in Munich in 2007 where he spoke about this.

Guys, this is a monger site. Political opinions you can discuss with your mate DTrum. On X but you will never achieve a result. Stop it. Waste of energy.

Talk about fucking, boobs and pussy! There is an oversupply of lonely ladies at the moment in Kiew. No one out on a hunt? . well you better shall know the shortest way to the next shelter and perhaps wear a bulletproof vest. But then, reward is likely to be overwhelming.

No one there to report?

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2926089]The pro Ukraine tools on here will ignore that. They will also ignore Putin's famous speech in Munich in 2007 where he spoke about this.[/QUOTE]The same Putin that lied about his intentions just days before he started the war?

Is that the one we have to believe and take seriously?

If you think he will ever keep his word, I have a bridge for sale.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2926089]The pro Ukraine tools on here will ignore that. They will also ignore Putin's famous speech in Munich in 2007 where he spoke about this.[/QUOTE]They better adjust their 46 inch belt and watch a replay of Alley Cat vs Nosferatu debate with one hand in a bucket of chicken wings. They think Pershing was a German brand of laundry detergent.

Meanwhile on June 28,2024, Putin announced the resumption of production of medium- and shorter-range ground-based missiles in the Russian Federation. As always it means deployment decisions already have been made.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-Range_Nuclear_Forces_Treaty[/URL]

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2926093]

Talk about fucking, boobs and pussy! There is an oversupply of lonely ladies at the moment in Kiew. [/QUOTE]Please, don't spread lies here. Nothing but hags and hardened skanks left in Kiev. The fresh and pretty left the country.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2926085]How many Ukrainians have died?[/QUOTE]They ain't sent to sure death in meat assaults.

[QUOTE=VinDici;2926156]The same Putin that lied about his intentions just days before he started the war?

Is that the one we have to believe and take seriously?

If you think he will ever keep his word, I have a bridge for sale.[/QUOTE]Ukraine will have to negotiate with Vladimir Putin, and it will.