Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=LookAtWorld;2282346] I now fully agree and feel about Pattaya blues. They are very real and I am already feeling them right after reaching home.[/QUOTE]Yes! Yes! My Pattaya Blues! They are fast becoming known!! Haha.

However, being the creator of the term, I need to keep control of the definition. It is normal to feel sad when you are saying goodbye to Pattaya or to a specific lady. Those feelings are not the Pattaya Blues. They are just normal goodbye blues. The Pattaya Blues are when you have depression-like feelings during the middle part of a Pattaya vacation. It might be related to exhaustion; the reduced ability, and the resulting depression, of not being able to ejaculate as you are tried or drained or under stimulated; the realization that you aren't going to have that GFE with the hot agogo girl you were dreaming of; the dread of having to breathe others people's disgusting smoke in the bars; the depression of failing with the girls who are 40 years younger than you; the sick feelings of drinking too much; the malnutrition or getting tired of Thai food or of eating too much fattie fast food or whatever; the relentlessly hot weather or rainy weather than is getting you down; etc. It can be helped by hanging out with the appropriate brothers, by finding a a GFE that shares your desire to hang out, and, in some cases, you will get better when you realize that you need to get out there and get with it as your vacation will be ending in in a few days!

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2282422]Muscle cramps are a fairly common side-effect of Sildenafil Citrate based ED drugs (Viagra, Kamagra, Sidegra and such). I get them fairly often when using such medications, and rarely otherwise. YMMV, but if you have a problem with leg cramps during sex, this is worth keeping in mind.[/QUOTE]Good to know thanks! Right now even at my age, I haven't a need to use the items mentioned whenever I do have cramps it is usually from overdoing my workout.

I met Mae approximately opposite from Mike' Shopping Mall on the beach side of Beach Road about 4:30 pm.

She is a pretty girl, slim and quite tall. Fairly light skin and I she was around 20 but Thai girls look young. She said she was from Bangkok holidaying in Pattaya. She wanted 1000 baht for ST and asked whether I had condom which to which I said yes. I did not negotiate because I liked the looks of the girl. The warning signs were clear, but one always lets lust get the better of one. We had about a 6 to 8 min walk to the hotel. She started complaining after about 4 minutes. When we got near the hotel, I said I would give her taxi fare for return trip.

Once we were in the room she collapsed on the bed and said that she nearly died. She then insisted on payment before boom boom. I initially objected, but in the end I caved in. And gave her 1100 baht. After showering she turned off all the lights, in the end we left the bathroom light on with the door open but still the room was very dark. This was a pity since she had a nice figure.

Started off by kissing her breasts (she had been wearing a padded bra, but her nipples were nice) and DATY. She smelt and tasted clean, and had a small hairy Bush, which I do not mind at all. During DATY, she stopped me from inserting a finger but I kissed and licked her out for a bit. I then put on a condom, and she immediately complained that I was too big. Length I am a little over average, but girth, is larger than average. Almost all the girls that I have been with have commented that I am thick.

Obviously she was not as wet as if she had let me finger her, but I was careful to enter her very slowly since I have always liked small Chinese and Japanese girls, and these have taught me to be very slow inching in, very gradually a little at a time. Anyway before I had entered fully she completely objected, and I am not one to force myself on a woman so I immediately stopped. She said she would give me BJ / handjob, but with a condom, that is not my idea of fun. Of course, all this moaning meant that the passion of the moment was gone.

Of course, I probably should have accepted her offer as a way to cut my loss, but stubbornness took over. I asked for my money back but of course to no avail.

To conclude, it was an extremely disappointing encounter with a girl who on looks could have been good. Previously, when chatting to girls, if they have said before the hook up, they want money upfront, I have always rejected them. This time, the girl (MAE) did not say this until back in the hotel room. I guess that I should have immediately have asked her to leave. Warning to self, never pay upfront, and chalk this down to experience, I guess that this is one of the risks of Beach Road, there is no Mamasan to fall back on.

Be extremely wary of this girl.

Might pop off to Windmill to have a bit of raunchy fun whilst I brood.

[QUOTE=Sandman33;2282776]I met Mae approximately opposite from Mike' Shopping Mall on the beach side of Beach Road about 4:30 pm.

She is a pretty girl...To conclude, it was an extremely disappointing encounter with a girl who on looks could have been good. Previously, when chatting to girls, if they have said before the hook up, they want money upfront, I have always rejected them. This time, the girl (MAE) did not say this until back in the hotel room. I guess that I should have immediately have asked her to leave. Warning to self, never pay upfront, and chalk this down to experience, I guess that this is one of the risks of Beach Road, there is no Mamasan to fall back on.

Be extremely wary of this girl.

[/QUOTE]Good intel, Sandman. Thanks. Note to self: beware the pretty Mae.

[QUOTE=Sandman33;2282776]
To conclude, it was an extremely disappointing encounter with a girl who on looks could have been good. Previously, when chatting to girls, if they have said before the hook up, they want money upfront, I have always rejected them. This time, the girl (MAE) did not say this until back in the hotel room. I guess that I should have immediately have asked her to leave. Warning to self, never pay upfront, and chalk this down to experience, I guess that this is one of the risks of Beach Road, there is no Mamasan to fall back on.[/QUOTE]Lesson learned Sandman. Never pay an SW, FL, or Bar Girl in advance. Period. It's too late now, but if you had held your ground and said something like, "look Mae, I am a gentleman, but I don't pay in advance. If you are unhappy with this arrangement then here is some taxi money so you can go back to Beach Road to find another customer and I will head over Windmill to find another girl. It is no problem for me and I want you to be happy." 555. Chances are good that she would have changed her tune and delivered decent service. This has happened to me on more than one occasion with a recalcitrant FL ie having a good session with the girl after the payment issue was settled my way and I have never had a girl take the taxi money and leave.

It's water under the bridge now, so get yourself over to Windmill right away and have a naughty good time. In a week or so you will forget everything about Mae except the lesson learned to never pay in advance. That lesson will stick with you for the rest of your mongering days.

Rock On!

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2282551]Yes! Yes! My Pattaya Blues! They are fast becoming known!! Haha.

However, being the creator of the term, I need to keep control of the definition. [/QUOTE]Dude, unless you have been on the Thai message Boards since the 90's, you didn't invent that term.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2283027]if you had held your ground and said something like, "look Mae, I am a gentleman, but I don't pay in advance. If you are unhappy with this arrangement then here is some taxi money so you can go back to Beach Road to find another customer and I will head over Windmill to find another girl... I have never had a girl take the taxi money and leave. [/QUOTE]You're a true gentleman Natty.

What I do if a girl has poor attitude (like asking for money in advance) before sex starts, is apologize, say I don't want to proceed with the session since I no longer have the feelz, and give her 100 baht for her trouble on her way out, so she doesn't try to raise a fuss. Makes her think twice before trying on the "pay me in advance" trick with the next customer.

Generally, a girl doing a 180 degree turn in attitude is possible but rare, and one or two signs of bad attitude highly correlate with substandard service. I'm not throwing my money at that, not in Pattaya at least. To be honest, I usually look for [I]two[/I] minor signs of bad attitude before calling it off, just in case there's a misunderstanding with the first one.

I don't buy the argument that getting paid upfront automatically means substandard service.

Lots of P4P around the world use this method of payment.

The reason is to avoid the possibility of the customer finding some excuse whether real or otherwise not to pay any or all of the agreed fee.

I get it there are less than honest providers out there but not all of them are, most I believe are just ensuring they get paid.

In Thailand it is the norm at soapies and more and more common at oilies.

With FL'S and other face to face transactions as Natty indicated if you agree what services will be provided and you can reassure the girl that there will be no problem with payment later and she feels confident with this then most likely she will accept payment afterwards.

I wrote a report about this in the Bangkok thread recently. The Thai girl I met at the bar became less and less receptive and warm to me in my apartment, which was in inverse proportion as she had been with me in the bar, something we have all experienced. Sensing a less than satisfying session, I was looking for an excuse to terminate the deal. When she entered my apartment she also whipped out a cigarette despite clear signs in the lobby forbidding smoking in the apartment building. Then she ducked outside to the porch despite my protestations. A clear sign of disrespect.

When she hopped in bed and pulled the sheets up and demanded payment upfront that was my excuse and I unceremoniously asked her to leave. She sheepishly dressed and exited stage right.

Last night, I met a girl (also in Bangkok) who turned out to be Vietnamese. She initially told me she was from Issan, then later, on the walk to my apartment said she had been working in a factory in Thailand and was from some backwater Viet town near the Cambodian border in south Vietnam. Uh oh, I thought. When we arrived at my apartment, she was on her phone incessantly probably getting instructions from a friend. Then she asked me for prepayment and I declined. Her performance was woeful (C-) and I thought if I had known she was Vietnamese I would have never picked her up to begin with. Anyway, I am pretty certain her friend was instructing her to ask for the prepayment.

It was supposed to be a two hour session. After the first session, she jumped out of bed and went to the living room and got on her phone again. No after coitus cuddling with this one. About 20 minutes later, she nods to me and goes back in the bedroom and opens her legs for round 2. So much for foreplay. Needless to say no kissing either. I went through the motions for a while then finally terminated the session myself. But if I had paid her upfront, I am sure it would have been much worse.
Caveat emptor, my friends.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2283055]You're a true gentleman Natty.

What I do if a girl has poor attitude (like asking for money in advance) before sex starts, is apologize, say I don't want to proceed with the session since I no longer have the feelz, and give her 100 baht for her trouble on her way out, so she doesn't try to raise a fuss. Makes her think twice before trying on the "pay me in advance" trick with the next customer.

Generally, a girl doing a 180 degree turn in attitude is possible but rare, and one or two signs of bad attitude highly correlate with substandard service. I'm not throwing my money at that, not in Pattaya at least. To be honest, I usually look for [I]two[/I] minor signs of bad attitude before calling it off, just in case there's a misunderstanding with the first one.[/QUOTE]

Has anyone ever had a LT freelancer ask for money up front? I most certainly have not. The STers will do it when they plan to make the ST even shorter. You should have asked her if they paid her at the factory before she did the work. Same with buying drinks. I tell them they have to work up a thirst before I buy them a drink.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2283106]Has anyone ever had a LT freelancer ask for money up front? I most certainly have not. The STers will do it when they plan to make the ST even shorter. You should have asked her if they paid her at the factory before she did the work. Same with buying drinks. I tell them they have to work up a thirst before I buy them a drink.[/QUOTE]That's the other thing. When we were discussing terms in the bar she told that she wanted to celebrate Chinese New Year with me so I thought she meant long time. With that in mind, I told her that I would pay her 3 k for LT. However, in the apartment, she tried to explain that she could not stay long time. Apparently, CNY starts at midnight (in her mind) and that was good enough for her. I reduced the time and fee accordingly. Bollocks! She only wanted a coke at the bar so thought that was a good sign but probably just wanted to stay sober for another victim.

Good point about the upfront payment for factory work. I was actually on the razor edge of kicking her to curb like the last one.

Tomasb,

I am curious as to why you would not have taken this girl if you knew she was Vietnamese? I admit I have never had a Viet girl outside Vietnam but I have had some dynamite sessions while there. I will also admit that those are becoming more infrequent and harder to find compared to the "good old days"!

SE.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2281916]I hate when that happens. Then I always play it off by trying to stretch my leg to get it out while I am still fucking and the chick thinks I'm trying to do a strange new position. I finally have to admit that I have a cramp in my leg.[/QUOTE]Simple quick remedy for any cramps, abdominal or legs. Eat half a spoon of salt. Immediate relief.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2283106]Has anyone ever had a LT freelancer ask for money up front?[/QUOTE]It's pretty common with Viet girls in the Four Floors at Singapore.

It's the only place I have paid upfront and surprisingly have never had a bad experience in doing so. I would never recommend it anywhere else due to the risks already mentioned below.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2283055]What I do if a girl has poor attitude (like asking for money in advance) before sex starts, is apologize, say I don't want to proceed with the session since I no longer have the feelz, and give her 100 baht for her trouble on her way out, so she doesn't try to raise a fuss. Makes her think twice before trying on the "pay me in advance" trick with the next customer.

<snip> To be honest, I usually look for [I]two[/I] minor signs of bad attitude before calling it off, just in case there's a misunderstanding with the first one.
[/QUOTE]Crocodilexp, do you remember the 1948 Jules Dassin film noir, "the Naked City"? The film's famous closing line was "There are eight million stories in the naked city; this has been one of them. ".

Well there are 10,000 hookers in Pattaya (or a large number at any rate) and thus 10,000 stories. At one end of the spectrum there are some nice working girls that have been ripped off by an asshole customer. At the other end of the spectrum are bad working girls who want to provide the least service ie do the ripping off. And in between are a whole lot of girls that are up for a good time as long as they get paid in the end.

I agree with your 2 or 3 strikes, you're out policy and I will never pay a SW, FL, or bar girl in advance. Bordellos are another venue and in most you either pay in advance (Thai soapies) or the house keeps a sharp tab on your expenses (Macau and Jakarta saunas). Try stiffing a Macau Sauna and see what happens. 555.

In any case I have had a few, not many, FL's ask for payment in advance once we started getting into things in the room and they turned out to be good girls who had been ripped off in the past and thus had a reason to be cautious.

I remember one Viet gal I took out of the Beach club in KL a couple of years ago. Nice girl and very friendly in the bar. In the room she went along with things, DFK, but as her bra came off, she became hesitant and asked for money. Because I liked her, I went thru the discussion, yada yada, "I am gentleman, you make me happy, I make you happy" bla bla "if you are unhappy with pay later, we can back to Beach Club so you can find another customer and me another girl. " And she agreed to my terms, of course and we showered and got down to it. At first, she was still a little reluctant, but she warmed up alright and the session turned out pretty good. She ended up staying for around 3 hours and we talked and watched tv in bed afterwards. And while we were talking in bed, she told me of the time not long before when a customer had stiffed her. Anyway, I gave her a good tip for the GFE session and we were both happy.

But the bottom line is I am not responsible for what some asshole does with his girls and I won't bear the burden although I know there must be a lot of assholes out there. Another example: I was staying in the Marriot Thonglo Exec apartments Hotel - a nice place. One morning I went down to their little pastry shop to have my morning coffee. Sitting at a table next to mine was a working girl still in her evening dress. She was quietly crying. I smiled at her and asked what's wrong. And she told me her customer had just thrown her out of his room upstairs and not paid her. Now I was not in the room. I don't know if her service was good or bad. But she was not making a fuss or a scene. She was just quietly sobbing and feeling really bad. I felt sorry for her. After she left my waitress came over and asked if the girl had been botherimg me. I said, No, everything is alright. I mention this little story to illustrate that even guys that can afford the Marriott can be assholes. Whoring is not as easy as it may seem to some.

Anyway, I never pay an SW, FL, or bar girl in advance. If they want to walk, let them walk. But I have never had a girl turn me down on my terms and every FL that asked me for money upfront and did not get it, still did me alright in bed. Back to Jules Dassin, "There are eight million stories in the naked city; this has been one of them. ".