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I want to have a good time, for me and for girls, and to pay standard Russian tariff 2500 rubles/hour and NOT 150$/hour![/QUOTE]I have been to "working apartments" about 6 times. Twice was not such a great experience, but the others were great.

These girls want to make some money but are either too shy to "put themselves out there" or are trying to protect their identity. For some girls, going to NF or HD is part of the rush. for others, it's about the money, some good sex and the thrill of fucking a stranger.

If you can get past the hassle of finding the right apartment, I have found these girls to be VERY honest, VERY honorable, and certainly safe. they are inviting you into their homes to have sex with them for a small fee and I thing that shows tremendous courage.

I would not hesitate to follow the thread. If it feels wrong - just walk away. But all four visit I have had to in-call girls have been very good.

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Thanxxx, but are those just hypothesis or real experiences?
I mean, I have met, here in Italy, some regular Russian women who advised me "I don't trust to rent a flat in Moscow because I don't want to wake up with my broken head. " And is necessary this precaution when we go alone to a prostitutes' flat, too?[/QUOTE]This can be true. Met US guy in Moscow who told me about his bad experiance. He set up a meeting with the girl in "working apartment" and didn't know what to expect. He expect to see some butt ugly girl but insted door was opened by quite good looking girl. He was very pleased. The girl requested they have a shower together which lasted for 15 minutes. When they went out, he was faced with three guys armed with gun and knives and holding his possession. They took him 1200$, the girl recieved 200$ saying "see you next time guys". Those guys told him they can tear up his passport leaving him in trouble. But they decided to play nice and writed his address in USA. Telling him if he goes to police to report what happened they will send their russian friends to pay him a visit. When the goons left he was bold enough to stop police patrole on the street and tell them what happened. They went to the apartment to check what happened and the was opened by nie babushka holding her cat and saying she lives there and she was there all the time and never saw the American. So the police couldn't do much and explained tihs is the whole gang. Girl brings victims and babushaka is giving her apartment waiting very near.

Another guy told me about similar case where he came to the apartment but he didn't like the girl who was there. He wanted to leave but two big goons confronted him demanding to pay 100$ for "checking the girl" or they'll beat the shit out of him.
So this things happen all the time only make sure they don't happen to you.

You ask about your safety but also those girls ask if they are safe from you.

Use your common sense like any other place. If the place doesn't look very good, in dark, ruined, with suspicious people sitting around on the benches, in the park or like two guys sitting in the car without visible reason make decision to continue or leave.

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Was in Moscow the other week for two days. stayed at the Metropol Hotel which by the way has working girls in the lobby in the evenings, they charge 300 EURO's though for an hour. I used the russian site [url]www.rusdosug.com[/url] in general a good way for non Russian speakers to find what they are looking for. Was in the mood for something different and Gasmin caught my eye: [url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi.php?service=2&id=29355[/url] called her up and was told that for two hours with anal its 5000 RUR. She told me she will be there in 45 min and was.

I got a call from downstairs saying that she is there and can I pick her up. Not something I like doing in general but ok. Get to the lobby. She is walking in the front door. She looks like her photographs. Wearing Jeans and a black leather coat. She takes my hand, kisses me on the cheek and we walk back towards the elevator as if we are old friends. Security does not intervene. She tells me she speaks 'little english'.

When we get into the room, we start to kiss, tongue action. We both undress. She is a big girl in all dimentions, big ass, huge breasts, and is large in general. Not my usual type but... continue kissing, I start sucking on her thick nipples, she takes my cock in her hand and massages it. we get onto the bed, she takes a condom and asks me oral with or without? I say with. she puts it on using her mouth and hand. nice. nice long blowjob, licking the shaft, going quite deep, then I have her tit fuck me between those huge breasts. I tell her to get on all fours and I start to take her hairy pussy. she is big but there is something about pounding that ass. I pull out and say to her 'anal?' she looks a bit unsure saying 'no gel?' I shake my head and say no, so she goes to the bathroom and comes back with some 'intimate gel' that the hotel leaves. She spreads a huge amount on her ass, puts some on my cock. She then leans down putting her big ass up for me and spreads her cheeks. I get in easily. nice. I push in deep and start to take her hard. I pound her easily for 5-10 min feeling the build up. I pull out and shoot my cum all over her big ass. She seemed to like that, smiling at me and shaking her head. We both go into the bathroom. She get under the shower, I clean up, and follow her in after she is done.

We step back into the bedroom. I put on a xxx film on tv and we lie back on the bed. she takes a glass of water from the side and snuggles in next to me.she slowly massages my cock, kissing my chest, nipples, I slowly get hard. I push her down and have her spread her legs. decide that I want to fuck her hairy **** with my fingers. I insert two, then three, then four. she rubs her clit as I finger fuck her. I then try and push my thumb in as well but she stops me saying 'no, no fist' I stop but continue with the four which she appreciates. I do this while masturbating my cock. I am now ready to go again. I get up and have her get on her knees. I stand watching the film on tv while she takes my cock in her mouth. she wants to put on a condom but I say no, she shruggs and swallows my cock whole. I start to fuck her mouth while watching the xxx. She does not use her hands, letting me hold her head while moving in and out of her mouth, quite deep. I pick up a rhytm and look down on her while she looks up. eye contact is maintained. I switch from the film to her. I pull out and shoot my load, she pulls back and pushes up her breasts indicating I should fire there, which I do.

Again shower. this time I come out and get dressed. she asks if she has to go. I am spent and tell her yes. I think she thought two hours is two hours with multiples which is good to know. she leaves without me having to go downstairs.

The next day I had a dinner and only got into the hotel around 23.00. Called up a number of girls but many did not answer or phones are out of service. the following three answered phones - Tatyana. Her english is excellent and she claims USD 250 with anal for two hours but told me she could not meet me that day since it was quite late: [url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi.php?service=2&id=31662[/url] Alisa: [url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi.php?service=2&id=26588[/url] answers the phone but does not speak english and will not come to the hotel. The last straw was with Inga [url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi.php?service=2&id=28164[/url] answers the phone. very weak english, we agree to 2500 RUR for an hour at the Metropol. She tells me she will be there in 30 min. I get a call back 15 min later by another girl who says that she is Inga and she can come to the hotel but the price has gone up to 8000 RUR and no anal! so I declined. By this time its past midnight so I call it quits. lesson for all of us is to start looking for an evening hotel visit around 22.00 it takes ages to get through and find a person you are looking for, especially if you don't speak Russian.

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When I first got to Moscow, I used to try to visit girls or have them visit me at least twice a month, back then was $100 for call out, $75 for call in. I made a few mistakes at first.

Firstly, don't choose only one girl, choose a few, check for locations, make a few calls for the same location, get addresses, if you can, get them to SMS the address to you.

Then when your in the area, flag down a taxi, 50 rubles max to 'find' an apartment, better than walking around, especially in winter.

I'd line up at least 3 in the same metro area, sometimes same building.

Never take your passport, just a photo-copy, never take more money than you plan to spend, if she's priced at 2500 take 3k (tipping them is worth it for later)

Don't wear your best clothes or shoes, you never know. And take a large thick black texta. See later.

I've heard lots of bad stories, but never had any seriously bad stuff from these 'call outs/ins' only from NF and HD have I had the serious shitstorm troubles.

Anyways. Getting a girl to shower? Thats rare. Getting her to strip infront? Also rare. Most of these girls DO NOT LIVE in the apartment your going to. Check the cupboards etc, its a few blankets, some bags of tea, and NOTHING ELSE!

Most of the time (about two thirds) Its the same girl from the photo. Sometimes its not. When its not, tell the girl. HEY! Your not who I came here to meet. I don't want you at "that price", your not worth X rubles, (if she's attractive, try this: I'll leave now if you want X. If the girl at the door is smart, she'll take the business, you get a discount. If she's NOT up to standards, you've already prepared for this with other addresses.

Sometimes, (twice for me) you get an absolute stunner, who's just started. She's brand new to moscow, brand new to this crazy life, and she wants out. You can usually tell the fresh faces newb from the dark eyed pro, tip her well, get her number, and convince her that her 'babushka' does not need to know ANYTHING about it. You get these girls to come visit you once or twice more, on babushka's clock, and then she'll come visit you on her own clock, then she'll visit you for free.

My mate, had one girl come live with him, clean his apartment, fuck his brains out, for 3 months, AND arrange threesomes until he left Moscow. Because she was Day 4 on the job, and got roughed up by the last 3 Russian joes, and he was sweet and kind.

Heck, I got a call from one girl for new years, she was alone, and wanted me to come be with her, for free.

But, as I said. For all this experience, not one set of bouncers, not once did I get robbed or threatened for the website girls, and as I pointed out 60-70% legit photos, 25% professional touch up photos of real girls, 5% complete fakes.

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Gentlemen be sure all kind of shit is out there waiting.

But you can also be sure typical foreigner is not likely to be a victim.

Yes there are chances for this to happen as with anything else.

But Russians are wise. They know typical foreigner will come to Moscow,
stay few days, spending his money in hotel, night club, p4p, anything else.

So he's supporting local economy and Russians want him to come again and do the same, tell his friends about his experiance so they can come also.

But this things in "working" apartments usually happens to local men.

Don't know how much of you are folowing russian newspapers and TV but there are reports about this every now and then. There is a TV show about crime in Moscow called "Criminal Moscow" where you can see russian man with hidden face and modified voice (so they will not be recognized by their wifes) telling about their experiance in "working apartments". Can't say it is really true or they are just too dramatic but they have some disturbing stories. Also saw a moscow man who was arrested for beating a girl and his explanation was she was a prostitute and her gang robbed him in the appartment and second part of the gang stormed his car parked down on the street taking anything valuable enough. So he arranged with his mate to set up a visit with the same girl, only different location this time. The guy got the girl and beat her to tell him where to find the people who stole his money and robbed his car. Somehow he was arrested by police.

On the other hand foreigner has more chances of tihs problem out of Moscow, in some provinicial town.

Last summer I was in Nizhny Novgorod. Town on Volga where those river ships are stopping with foreign tourists on Volga cruise. One of those tours was in town for 2 days with tourist from Scandinavia. On the local TV I was watching about local news and saw this 50-60 year old Swede all upset in the police station. He was arrested when police patrol found him walking on the streets compeltelly naked (!). But he was explaining how he was been robbed by prostitutes. He claimed that local tourist guide had a private conversation with him and set him up a meeting in local "working apartment"where he can choose between three girls. He went there by taxi and in the apartment where three girls. After short conversations they attacked him, hiting him all over the body using martial arts, karate or something as he explined. They threaten to break his legs if he dosn't give them his money, credit card and camera. Then they foreced him to take his clothes off, kicked him down the stairs and run away with his clothes. So swedish guy was wandering down the streets trying to find taxi around midnight but cops spotted him first and arrested him. Swedish guy was going crazy on TV saying everythnig is true and he want his embassy to protect him. Police chief refused to investigate claiming swedish guy is "voayer and pervert, Sweden is full of them and he only wants Russia to look bad without reason".

The story is funny and bizzare, but most probably can be true at some point.

I've been to several Volga cities like Nizhny Novgorod, Samara and Yaroslav and I talked to Russians who work on those touris ships. They told me a part of those foreign tourist refuse to leave the ship because something bad can happen to them and those go to the shore to see the town keep in groups.

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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I assume выеэда нет is for 2 reasons:

1) their security

2) business... going out means at least 3 hours away from work even for an hour of sex. 1 hour there, 1 hour sex, 1 hour back. Doesn't make economic sense.

And a 3rd reason might be laziness, why go out when the customer comes to you?

Also, we shouldn't forget that the average Russian doesn't want the girl coming to his apartment... he might have a wife, girlfriend or curious neighbors. He'd prefer to screw her at a neutral location.[/QUOTE]




...To save a few measley $ and risk being robbed, beaten up or worse.

Unless 100% sure better to stick to in call at Hotel!

[QUOTE=Kurenda]
But Russians are wise. They know typical foreigner will come to Moscow,
stay few days, spending his money in hotel, night club, p4p, anything else.

So he's supporting local economy and Russians want him to come again and do the same, tell his friends about his experiance so they can come also.
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You must know different (and more business-minded) Russians than I do. Take, for instance, the door crew at HotDog. Everytime I patronize that shit bucket, I feel like I'm getting judged by no less than St. Pete himself. This is despite the fact that I recognize each one of the goons at the door, and I'm pretty certain that they recognize me. And the barmen aren't much better - though they have warmed up to me after a few gracious tips. They may be lazy, but they're not stupid.

Russian service is not about repeat business. It's about extracting the most out of your customer while expending an absolute minimum amount of energy. [i]The Crisis (R)[/i] may change this, but I'm not holding my breath.

Everywhere you go, there will always be people who try to make a living by taking advantage of tourists. It's easy to do with someone who is in a strange place, doesn't speak the lingo, doesn't understand the system and doesn't know anyone. It happens in Russia and it happens in the U.S.

Someone who wants to do this will always go to a place where they can find tourists (or expats), it's only logical. The best way to protect yourself from this type of person is to stay away from other tourists and the "expat friendly" clubs.

I've been all over Moscow, in night clubs, private apartments, salons and massage parlors. I have never once encountered a person or situation that was even remotely belligerent. As an American, in most places, I am a novelty, even a celebrity, because most Russians have never met an American. So, I usually find myself welcome.

Of course, it's difficult to go too far afield if you do not speak the language, so most people will have to strike a balance between comfort and convenience and safety. So, exercise some common sense, remember that familiarity tends to breed contempt, and the more comfortable you feel, the greater the likelihood that someone will try to take advantage of you.

Pizdyets and Stravinsky, you are both right in what you said.

When you are a foreigner in foreign country, where you don't know the language and local customs everything can happen.

But anyway Moscow is not the place for me. Many of you here mention places like HotDog, but I've never been to places and clubs like that.

I've been to Russia over 30 times. And this is in Russia as independent state.
I've also been to former SSSR, back in soviet times, but I was very young then. Almost all of my time in Russia I spent in provinces, far away from Moscow. For me Moscow is just a place from which I departure to some other place by train or plane. So I can talk more about situation in other russian cities where I usually go than about Moscow. In provinces is sword with two edges. Sometime foreigner can have a better time than in Moscow since most of this provincial places don't see much of the foreigners. Sometime much worse where a foreigner will curse the day he decided to visit particual provincial town. Russian provinces can be a nightmare for somebody who don't know the language and don't have some logistic support there.
Much better is to stick to Moscow and St. Petersburg.

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]What do you mean?[/QUOTE]
Sorry for not answering before I'm kind of disconnected from the forum these days..
That site has a lot of stolen pics,, the pretties girls you see there, are pornostars ,, I do not trust those kind of sites..

Can anyone tell me whether it is true that russian nationals from other parts of Russia have to register their stay in moscow like non-russians?

Also, can anyone suggest some decent hotels to stay in Moscow?

Thanks in advance.

Jfinder

Any ryussian citizen who comes to Moscow and want to stay permanently or for longer period of time must register his new place od living in OVIR. There is "temporary" registration used by students. So if someone from Siberia plans to move to Moscow moust obtain a street adress and register on that address. The same is with any other place. When ever someone in Russia change his place of living he has obligation to register at new place of living. This registration is called "? ". Many people sometime avoid to have this registration but it means they are breaking the low and if discovered it has consequences. Also if a women with a child want to deal with the state like asking for child support she can get in only in city where she is registered.

No Moscow registration means no help in Moscow. Many girls in Russia are opting for marriage "dlya vida" in order to easy the process of staying in some city.

Don't confuse this registration with registation of foreigners coming to Moscow for a short period of time. This are two different things.

[QUOTE=Jfinder]Can anyone tell me whether it is true that russian nationals from other parts of Russia have to register their stay in moscow like non-russians?[/QUOTE]

Last I checked, Russian citizens can put off registering in a new city for 90 days, and as long as they have a train/plane ticket to show them entering within that period, it's fine.

[QUOTE=Jfinder]Can anyone tell me whether it is true that russian nationals from other parts of Russia have to register their stay in moscow like non-russians?

Also, can anyone suggest some decent hotels to stay in Moscow?

Thanks in advance.

Jfinder[/QUOTE]

Yeah the rules ar as exposed, but having, for Russian, the registration for staying permenently in Moscow is not easy (If you are not hired by a local company). If a person (Russians) stays some day and are checked at the hotel it's almost like a foreigner.

For the hotel... just depend what you want and what's your budget... you have hundreds of hotels in Moscow...

IT

On gound I'll soon be in Moscow... and have a shortage of time I'll go for "safe" girls...

Somebody already drilled her?

[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=63871[/url]

The price/service/looks seems fine!

Thanks

IT