Taipei

i went down to the longshan area tonight to see what was around. truth be told, i wanted my first taste of the action down there, and i wasn't thinking too clearly. around 12 am i made my way on my motorcycle around heping / kangding, where not much was happening. kangding / guilin corner was also a bit quiet, with no real beauties about. so i did what i've done a lot of lately, rode south down a road near the kangding / guilin corner, and parked my bike. a lot of the time, the girls take the johns down that small road to a few hotels, and sometimes you can spot a real cutie all alone. tonight, however, as soon as i pulled up and parked a guy came out of a building, noticed me, and kept on staring at me. uncomfortable, as i always feel out of place in that area, i rode off, and decided to try my luck in the momo tea shops behind the night market.

i rode on heping past xichang st. which parallels huaxi, and pulled into an alley that goes up toward the nightmarket. noticing what looked like a group of three cute working girls walking up that alley, i parked my bike and tried to make eye contact with the one i liked. she didn't notice or didn't want to notice me, but as i looked to the other direction, i saw a cute looking older lady, maybe 40 yrs old, sitting on a moped looking at me. she quickly made her way over with her ugly, 50 yr old friend. now at this point, sadly, i was already sold. she said 1k to go over to one of her shops, and for the life of me i don't know why i was thinking it was a good deal. the 1k is just like an entry fee to sit in those rooms, drink tea and touch the girls. now i should have known this, as i have read up on it on this site, but at the time i was just nervous, and amazed i was actually going through with it.

we walked into one of the shops, entered one of those rooms, and i refused to pay until afterwards, but they smelled a newb and weren't taking no for an answer. in the end, the boss came to the room, and i just decided to give them the money and go for it. well, they stayed, and we sat chatting and touching for a bit. the cute one had a great bod. perky see cups, a pretty nice face, and nice legs. the other one was considerably older, fatter, and uglier with glasses. i like them a bit older, but not that old. i read on here that you can pay them to leave, but damn i was nervous and didn't want to be rude! anyway, later on i asked for more service. they wanted 1k more for a blow job with both of them, and i payed it after my pathetic attempt at haggling failed. again, i made the mistake of paying first, but they did stay and do the warm tea cbj on me, the old one sucking while i touched the cute one and she kissed my chest. the whole time they seemed really worried about the police, and kept on brightening and dimming the lights, and staying out of view from the small peep whole in the door. it all made me nervous and put me out of the mood a bit. but at least i had my first time with two girls blowing me, that was a first, but cbj's just don't do it for me. i could only shoot once they took the damn condom off and hj'd. all in all, for 2k i was less than thrilled. the cute one i liked had a pushy attitude, and i couldn't relax with her. at least i got to practice my chinese. she said she didn't do sex, but could introduce me to some that could. i didn't bother, and quickly left.

i've really got to learn to say what i want up front, be able to haggle, and also be able to walk away if the deal ain't right. this time, though, i was too anxious to break my cherry and go through with it. next time, i won't be so anxious to get it over with.

You should really avoid Longshan area if you are looking for women in their late 20s and early 30s.

Read up on this site and go to Caesars, for 4300 you get a massage with "tricks", FS, and a girl right at your age alley (late 20s to early 30s.)

[QUOTE=Smuttynose]I went down to the Longshan area[/QUOTE]

1. The momo tea shops appear to be where the con artists are. I have had girls, after getting inside the rooms, say that they don't have sex and, generally, I believe them as that is their scam. If you ever hang out in the area, you can see stunning girls go down an alley with a guy and then pop out a few minutes later - I have to assume that she delivered him to a shop that had less appealing girls in it.

2. You didn't get off that bad. Call it $1,500 for the learning experience and $500 for the bj.


[QUOTE=Abc Boy]You should really avoid Longshan area if you are looking for women in their late 20s and early 30s.[/QUOTE]

The last time I was over there, I saw perhaps 50 girls in this age range. Certainly, you aren't going to find many early 20s and the selection comes and goes but picking from the hundred or so girls who are usually working is better in many ways than taking the girl sent by Ceasar's. Ceasar's is a tasteless chain restaurant - Longshan is fast food. Neither is particularly fantastic but it's hard to compare.

Ok, I guess Longshan has changed over the years. In my more youthful days I used to scout that area extensively and the youngest woman I found is late 30s early 40s.

Glad to hear younger girls are there.

Going to Taipei for the second time in June. Need advice from the experienced pros here so I get a better experience this time round. I am of native Chinese heritage, and can speak mandarin, read/write.

I was there last May, and managed to contact a KTV manager via a local sex forum. Went to "Shou Xi" (roughly translates to Best/Front Seat), and took the first girl he brought out. I am not a good drinker at all, so didn't really know how to carry the atmosphere inside the room, and that probably led to a lack of chemistry between me and the girl. We basically just chatted and played the dice until the strip dance on the 1st hour.

I didn't really understand how the system of switching girls worked, but still wanted some action, so I ended up doing the takeaway after the 1st hour strip dance, paying for the rest of her time (until 6.30am that is). Cost me around $18K.

So we ended up back in the hotel after a light supper, we did the SOP sex, didn't try to prolong the session in anyway. After I shot out and recovered, I signalled for a second round, but she said they are only ALLOWED by the management to do the deed once. I tried a little smoothtalk, didn't work out, so I didn't insist for fear of getting into trouble. So we snuggled until 5.30 am (invoking the 1-hour transport rule) before she left for the KTV to 'clock out'.

My burning Questions:

1. From the previous posts I gathered on this forum, it seems that you can get multiple shots from the girl if the chemistry is right? The local Taiwan sex forums do not explicitly mention this. A lot of coded language is used in their posts (non native speakers will have trouble deciphering).

2. According the the local forums, the girl does not need to 'clock out' if you buy the rest of her time right? If so, she probably was just making an excuse, and if the chemistry is right, she could stay past 6.30am?

3. How to charm the girl when on a solo trip, and there's no group fun. I didn't have any ideas on how to keep the naughty/entertainment quotient high.

Apologies for the long ramble.

[QUOTE=Joe In A Shell]Going to Taipei for the second time in June. Need advice from the experienced pros here so I get a better experience this time round. I am of native Chinese heritage, and can speak mandarin, read/write.

I was there last May, and managed to contact a KTV manager via a local sex forum. Went to "Shou Xi" (roughly translates to Best/Front Seat), and took the first girl he brought out. I am not a good drinker at all, so didn't really know how to carry the atmosphere inside the room, and that probably led to a lack of chemistry between me and the girl. We basically just chatted and played the dice until the strip dance on the 1st hour.

I didn't really understand how the system of switching girls worked, but still wanted some action, so I ended up doing the takeaway after the 1st hour strip dance, paying for the rest of her time (until 6.30am that is). Cost me around $18K.

So we ended up back in the hotel after a light supper, we did the SOP sex, didn't try to prolong the session in anyway. After I shot out and recovered, I signalled for a second round, but she said they are only ALLOWED by the management to do the deed once. I tried a little smoothtalk, didn't work out, so I didn't insist for fear of getting into trouble. So we snuggled until 5.30 am (invoking the 1-hour transport rule) before she left for the KTV to 'clock out'.

My burning Questions:

1. From the previous posts I gathered on this forum, it seems that you can get multiple shots from the girl if the chemistry is right? The local Taiwan sex forums do not explicitly mention this. A lot of coded language is used in their posts (non native speakers will have trouble deciphering).

2. According the the local forums, the girl does not need to 'clock out' if you buy the rest of her time right? If so, she probably was just making an excuse, and if the chemistry is right, she could stay past 6.30am?

3. How to charm the girl when on a solo trip, and there's no group fun. I didn't have any ideas on how to keep the naughty/entertainment quotient high.

Apologies for the long ramble.[/QUOTE]

1. Take out ususally allow one session, but then again, you would want to express to the gal that you would like to have few pops before commit to take her out. If the gal likes you, few pops shouldn't be a problem.

2. The girls do not need to clock out, all they need to do is make a quick phone call.

3. All ktv allow you to change the gals during your time in room, but you would want to change as early as possible. When you are one on one with the gal, relax and drink, they are there to please you. Few lines almost always worked for me are:
you are the best thing I've ever laid my eyes on since I've arrived in Taiwan, or you are so much better looking then most of ABC gals back home. (many Taiwanese gals idolize ABC gals due to western influence, they think ABC knows how to dresses, make ups more class or elegance) So by saying they are better looking and etc than ABC gals, that really gets them going. Drinking games are good ice breaker too, think of a silly punishment to get the mood going.

One last thing, ask your manager if the establishment allow in room FS, if you are going solo and met the right gal, many places allow in room FS. Instead of go to a love motel and etc, pay the extra, between 3000~4000 on top of your room charges and fees, then do the deed and go home or stay for the second session with different gals. (thats if you dont mind doing in the ktv room with no bed and etc).

[QUOTE=Joe In A Shell]

I was there last May, and managed to contact a KTV manager via a local sex forum. Went to "Shou Xi" (roughly translates to Best/Front Seat), and took the first girl he brought out. I am not a good drinker at all, so didn't really know how to carry the atmosphere inside the room, and that probably led to a lack of chemistry between me and the girl. We basically just chatted and played the dice until the strip dance on the 1st hour.

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One thing Taiwan girls are easy to fall for: sweet talk. Tell her she's the best girl you've met, has the best personality, has the best smile, you get the idea. Don't be shy to touch her too (but not be too perverted, at least not right away, hahaha), and complement on her soft and beautiful skin. Play some games with goofy punishment to break the ice, and then the rest is easier if you can do all that.

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I didn't really understand how the system of switching girls worked, but still wanted some action, so I ended up doing the takeaway after the 1st hour strip dance, paying for the rest of her time (until 6.30am that is). Cost me around $18K.

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Don't be shy to say "no" or "I want to see others" when the girls sent into your room isn't to your liking. Right now in all my KTV visits I average 3-4 "kicks", and it used to be 8-9 "kicks" until my manager finally gives in and know not to waste my time with average girls. Remember, they may be run by gangsters, but they value your money (and repeat business) and they may curse you behind your back (which I heard a couple of times behind the doors), but hey, have a thick face, you're the payer, they're the seller.

18K is about right for KTV girl take out + FS.

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So we ended up back in the hotel after a light supper, we did the SOP sex, didn't try to prolong the session in anyway. After I shot out and recovered, I signalled for a second round, but she said they are only ALLOWED by the management to do the deed once. I tried a little smoothtalk, didn't work out, so I didn't insist for fear of getting into trouble. So we snuggled until 5.30 am (invoking the 1-hour transport rule) before she left for the KTV to 'clock out'.

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I usually don't do more than one because I want to save some for the new girl tomorrow, and the new girl after that, and after that, lol. But actually, they WILL DO more (I've done it in the past) IF you pay the fee again. Remember, they didn't do you because they like you, they do you because you've paid them. Offer to pay the exact same fee again and you'll be amaze how fast they are willing to spread again. Of course the girl could be genuinely tired and don't want to do it again because they need to go back and serve other man and they don't want to be worn out. Usually, if you buy them for a full day, and willing to pay for multiple jacks, they are more incline to do you more than once (with compensation of course). But remember, full take out is 28K (with one jack) and 7-8K every subsequent jack. So think about your wallet too.



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My burning Questions:

1. From the previous posts I gathered on this forum, it seems that you can get multiple shots from the girl if the chemistry is right? The local Taiwan sex forums do not explicitly mention this. A lot of coded language is used in their posts (non native speakers will have trouble deciphering).

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I'm sure there will always be exceptions, but the norm is put up cash or shut up pants.

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2. According the the local forums, the girl does not need to 'clock out' if you buy the rest of her time right? If so, she probably was just making an excuse, and if the chemistry is right, she could stay past 6.30am?

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If you buy her for the full day or rest of time, she has an obligation to be with you until that time. Don't fall for the: "you're great but I'm tired, can I go home and rest" excuse. Remember, you're a monger, get your thick face on and reply: "no can't do, I paid you till 6:00 a.m. (or whatever shift), you need to be with me". Usually by then they will know you're not rook and an experience monger and they will submit like a puppy the way they should, however, if you have a girl that is insistent, pull out the "manager" card - "ok, go home, I'll just tell my manager what you said" and they'll submit. Of course you always have the option to be a gentleman and let her home and rest.

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3. How to charm the girl when on a solo trip, and there's no group fun. I didn't have any ideas on how to keep the naughty/entertainment quotient high.

Apologies for the long ramble.[/QUOTE]

Complements, make small talks, ask and pretend to care about her life, and ask and pretend to care about her experiences as KTV girl and comfort her when she shares her tales with bad customers, and remember to always complement her from time to time, they dig that. Take her to nightclubs if she likes to drink and dance (but be careful of competition from other guys), or take her to more upscale pubs for more high class drinking. Sit by them and not across from them. Always hold her hands or around her waist or around her shoulders and pretend to like her as a boyfriend and not as a customer. If you are willing to spend take them out on those nightmarkets with cheap products and buy them cute little gifts.

Usually if you play your cards right they will do you like a girlfriend for the grand finale (which now always happen to me), and wish that you're a repeat customer because there truly are a ton of rich pigs that goes to those establishments.

Saw this forum 2 years, back. Skimmed through the pages. I'm now currently back in Taipei for a month.

I've been mongering in HK *which is amazing by my standards good bang for your buck.

However I have absolutely no friends here this year in TW and I don't even know which clubs to go to.

I'm a CBC college student, can speak mandarin, can't read nor write, a little bit of canto.

Down for a mongering partner, also no lie I probably cannot do the 20k NT KTV scene, but can do 4000-8000 adventures.

PM me! I'll also contact some of you other guys who are looking for help

Abc_boy let me know!

Thanks Roni44 and ABC Boy for the advice, it has tremendously improved my understanding of the KTV scene.

Can I trouble the experienced pros with just another round of questions:

1. Apart from the HJ/BJ low-end joints. Is it possible to get HJ-ed / BJ-ed in the higher-end joints through playing goofy games?

2. The local sex forums are also not very clear on the boundaries in each category of KTV joints. How far can I go in each type of joint? I believe that ambiguity is deliberate, for the managers to profit from the learning curve of inexperienced mongers.

3. I have tried to explore an alternative avenue called 飯局 (meal-date), which is a higher class outcall, but when asked about FS, all those managers on the local sex forums always reply, depend on your 手腕 (player skill). So is FS a given? What's your take on this?

[QUOTE=Joe In A Shell]

Can I trouble the experienced pros with just another round of questions:

1. Apart from the HJ/BJ low-end joints. Is it possible to get HJ-ed / BJ-ed in the higher-end joints through playing goofy games?

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Typically no, those girls work in high-end are specifically not willing to do that, and the establishment won't allow that. However, I have heard some girls shared with me tales of forced customers that likes to feel their private spots and offer money for HJ and even BJ. Usually those people are gangster bosses or VIP customers that the establishment do not like to offend, and will just comfort the ladies who are forced into it.

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2. The local sex forums are also not very clear on the boundaries in each category of KTV joints. How far can I go in each type of joint? I believe that ambiguity is deliberate, for the managers to profit from the learning curve of inexperienced mongers.

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There are 3 major kinds of KTVs:

1 - Uniform shops KTV. These are the least in boundaries. HJ/BJ are regularly offered within the joint for nominal fee, and FS are available with take out charges, i.e. more expensive. Every hour there's a strip dance that the girls may or may not wear back their clothes. The drawback - girls here are lesser products (looks, etc.) Here you can buy "take outs" at minimum of 4 hours (one less hour with the girl) and more if you like. Note: even here not all girls offer FS.

2 - "Plain clothes" KTV (my own translation). These are higher end with girls carefully picked through standards (thought the standards do vary.) Typically way better in looks, shape, background (college grad, etc.). No strip dances. Girls come in by the 2s (typically) and will automatically leave 15 minutes later if you don't make it know to your manager that you want a girl (I always feel bad for the second girl that I didn't pick.) Drawback - if you want a girl you need to BUY HER FOR THE WHOLE DAY! Easily comes to close to 30K if you want to add the FS fee. Otherwise, keep sitting in there and enjoy 2 new girls every 15 minutes, but they will think you're some idiotic weirdo that has no idea what these establishments are: high-end pimp services for up-scale willing girls.

3 - "Dress shop" KTV (Emperor would fit here). These are places that tries to take the best of 1 and 2. All girls are picked according to pre-selection standards (again varies by management.) Their selling point is high-end girls. However, no strip-dances. All girls dress in seductive but not slutty dresses that you typically see at Uniform shops. They do NOTHING (supposively) in the establishment but talk, sing, play games. However, take-out is available but not all girls do FS and you have the option to buy minimum of 4 hours (again minus 1 hour actual time) or more.

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3. I have tried to explore an alternative avenue called 飯局 (meal-date), which is a higher class outcall, but when asked about FS, all those managers on the local sex forums always reply, depend on your 手腕 (player skill). So is FS a given? What's your take on this?[/QUOTE]

Nope: "eat out" or "meal-date" means clean take out. You do need to have game if you want to have FS with the girl. By game I don't just mean personality as they didn't go out with you because they like you (not at first anyway), but they want to make money. Their willingness to sleep with you is only the start: you need to be willing to pay or buy them expensive gifts.

[QUOTE=Turtleh]
Down for a mongering partner, also no lie I probably cannot do the 20k NT KTV scene, but can do 4000-8000 adventures.

PM me! I'll also contact some of you other guys who are looking for help

Abc_boy let me know![/QUOTE]

Sorry buddy, although I still go to Caesars from time to time, but it is such a hit and miss I don't really feel up to it. It is only 4300 so it's in your alley.

You don't really need a partner to go to Caesars. Go right up, pretend you know what you're doing. Look confident. They will greet you: sit down, take off your shoes and socks and hand it to the "shoe guy" - go in the lockers, get naked and put belongings in the locker. Go take a shower. If you want to go straight for the FS head directly into the places where you see a bunch of chairs and tables. Now, for newbie this is important, do not look nervous and DO NOT ASK AROUND FOR SPECIALS. Find a table, sit, a waiter may come, order a drink. Wait and WAIT. Usually in 2 minutes or less an older lady will come with a smart-greeting: "oh handsome boy, want a massage (or she may just say special)" and reply confidently, "yes." Follow her up the stairs and into "secret chamber". She will ask you "do you have girls you know", just say don't remember their numbers. A no answer makes them nervous a bit but will still serve you.

Have fun.

Wondering if anyone has recent experience re: picking up students in or near Starbucks Ximending? Otherwise, what to make of this story? Thanks all ...

High heels and short skirts: a look at international prostitution
Mar 11, 2010 01:27 AM
Amy Matthewson

The first thing that struck me when I moved to Taiwan was how warm and friendly the people are ...

[url]http://www.martlet.ca/article/21097-high-heels-and-short-skirts-[/url]

[QUOTE=Houziwang]Wondering if anyone has recent experience re: picking up students in or near Starbucks Ximending? Otherwise, what to make of this story? Thanks all ...

High heels and short skirts: a look at international prostitution
Mar 11, 2010 01:27 AM
Amy Matthewson

The first thing that struck me when I moved to Taiwan was how warm and friendly the people are ...

[url]http://www.martlet.ca/article/21097-high-heels-and-short-skirts-[/url][/QUOTE]

Many years ago, I tried the infamous Ximending "student hunting." These kind of news have been reported forever, young girls have known to pimp themselves in Ximending area. However, I quickly stopped for 2 reasons:

1) There are many low-level gangster pimps there spotting single man and come up and ask "you need a girl?", which makes me feel very unsafe the only time that I've tried it because they first take you to a shabby hotel, ask you to wait in room, and then will knock on door and show you a girl, which I found to be no better than Caesars in age nor appearance (despite the promise of 'young' and 'beautiful'). And they will give you the look to kill if you dare to ask them to switch a girl.

2) The few young girls that actually came up to me that I quickly found to be younger than 18, I told them thanks but no thanks. I'm a monger, not a child molester. One person tried to say she's 18 so she can get some business, but gave it away when I asked her did she finish her HIGH SCHOOL homework and she quickly replied "I hate those classes that give homeworks", ooops, sorry, you're still in high school, go home and study.

But anyway, if extreme young girls are your thing, they are available mostly on Friday evenings and Saturday all day in Ximending. Be there ALONE (they avoid guys in groups of 2 or more), and sit on a bench and they will approach you. Do not hang out at the spot near the MRT exit, as more police and people are there. Instead, go to the "other end" of Ximending alleys and sit there, they will come.

First let me say I've rtff and could not find exactly what I'm looking for, so now I'm here.

About 5 years go I lived on the Mainland. Now, I'm coming to live in TW.

On the mainland, there are these MP's with green swirling (not pink, green) bbs poles out front. These places denote where u can go and get an "oil massage".
You would get an oil massage, and there were actually some places where the massage itself was great, but then you'd get HE (HJ only), its standard.

I'd like to know from any old tw hands, are there places like this in tw? If so, are they only in bigger cities? No FS, just standard HE after about 30 mins of a decent oil massage.

thx for ne info

-tobe

[QUOTE=Houziwang]Wondering if anyone has recent experience re: picking up students in or near Starbucks Ximending? Otherwise, what to make of this story? Thanks all ...[/QUOTE]

I went to Ximending to try for freebies several years ago. There are certainly some in the area, as you would expect, though I never saw as much prostitution as you would think. It feels like it is there but other than a few obvious girls walking the streets and a few pimps approaching you, much what ABC described, I never really saw that much.

However, I believe that the story is BS. What are the odds of a Taiwanese man in a business suit approaching a white woman in daylight in a public place and opening asking her what she charged? Talk to any foreign woman here and they sometimes have a hard time getting approached in clubs.

[QUOTE]“Haven’t you seen all the hotels that rent rooms by the hour?” she asked me. “They’re all over Ximending.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. They are all over Taiwan, not just in Ximending.

[QUOTE]Many of the Chinese teachers’ assistants wear eyebrow-raising short skirts to work and it’s considered perfectly appropriate. How was I to know that they were prostitutes?[/QUOTE]

What?

I would say that she made the story up.