Pattaya Reports

I was confined to quarters for most of the day. Torrential morning rain and the following flooded streets made the area outside the hotel essentially impassable. Enough water was dumped that it was flowing up out of the drains, not into them and away. God knows what else was also flushed out. If the smell was bad before, it was much worse in the afternoon. Talk about a cess pit.

I fell asleep early but woke up at 2 am with an urge to head out. When I did arrive at a LK Metro gogo Groundhog Day hit me like a freight train. No offence intended to anyone but I was looking at the same guys, watching the same girls asking the same questions or dancing the same dances. I suddenly felt like 20 years of this shit was getting to me. I'm usually a pretty positive guy but that night it was "what are you doing here?

I didn't want to leave in a downer and 3 am closing time was fast approaching so I walked around to Kink determined to cheer myself up. Surprisingly, there the crazy mood did lift my spirits. The shows were that bit more over the top, the girls were that bit more attentive and there were a few that were actually quite attractive. BJs were being had, chicks were getting fingered and ice cubes were being shot out of orifices from the stage. Not the wildest night I've had but gratefully enough to repair my mood.

I should emphasize that I'm not making a judgement call on anyone or insulting them. It's just at the start of that particular night the repetition over many years got to me. It was good to see that it didn't last and I did snap out of it.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2304092]Because as said before, most consider game to be used with women one does not need to pay. Maybe I missed it, but I still have not seen explained how to use game with a hooker. How do I get the hooker that does not want to suck my dick without a condom or does not want to do anal to change her mind?[/QUOTE]You're buying into the MonkeyPaw pitch about "game" being some lofty, grand, magical quality that only he and a few lucky punters who come under his wing for instructions can master. I don't. BTW, I noticed MonkeyPaw disappeared from these threads not very long after two of his "under my wing" punters returned from a few days' time spent with him in Pattaya and neither had reports about "top girls" giving them wonderful sex in the room for any amount of money. In fact, their Field Reports sounded very much like what I'd been saying about Pattaya in general and was slammed for it here. Coincidence? Who cares. But I digress.

I have never said or implied that game was so powerful or rather needed to be so powerful anyone who mastered it could walk into a bar or nightclub, throw a hypnotic zap at the crowd and 5 girls will offer themselves for free. LOL. That is too great and grand a notion of game, imo.

As I stated in a previous post listing some of the things I consider game, it can simply be an element of your negotiation skills. It can be as simple as walking into a bar or up to a girl smiling rather than looking like a sour puss. And THAT move is also a negotiation technique whether you recognize it as such or not. Every car salesmen you ever met on a showroom (as long as that is the analogy of choice these days) knows it and is applying it to HIS negotiation with you. YOU might assume he is smiling because someone just told him a joke and that it has nothing to do with the way he is trying to negotiate a sale with you this very moment. But you would be wrong in that assumption, imo. He knows it is part of his negotiation skills. Part of his game.

To be more specific about your question regarding getting a hooker who does not want to give you or almost any other customer a BBBJ to change her mind, THAT is where your approaching her with a smile instead of a face like death comes into play. You try to create an atmosphere where it isn't so much that you have suddenly made her want to suck your dick (although a smile helps with that, too) but where she can't bring herself to step on your enthusiasm for the events to follow and will be more inclined to go along with it down the line. Now, that is a million dollar sales training concept right there. No charge for ISG members.

In my case, I tend to get the issues of suck or no suck, CIM or no CIM, boom boom no condom or whatever settled before I agree to take the girl. That is MY game, MY form of negotiation. I am generally not a "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" punter.

So, it could go something like this:

"You take me (or barfine me) now?"

"Maybe. What would we do in the room?"

"What? lol. Everything. I do everything for you."

"Everything? Great. I like everything. Boom boom no condom."

"What? How much you pay me?"

Or:

"You take me (or barfine me) now? 3000 Short Time (or 1000 on the street)".

"Oh, pang pang (expensive). Noi, I would give you 2,000 if boom boom no condom."

"2,500".

"Hmm. 2,500 if you are very sweet with me and there is no hurry".

"Ok".

Or if she says no, I smile, thank her for her time and move on to the next one. Underscoring all of it is the smile and the message that I am a kind, fun, easy going person who does not NEED her to agree to anything since there are so many others who WILL do what I want. That is part of MY game, part of MY negotiation technique and, Mr. Enternational, I know it is part of yours, too, right? You don't know how many girls you approached that way changed their mind about sucking your dick based solely on your game, the way you approached them. But I am betting quite a few.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2304169]Smiling obviously. LOL.[/QUOTE]Well, you might be joking about that, but if you look around you will see a LOT of punters approaching these girls looking very sour and dour, as serious as a heart attack. Scary. The thought of turning that sour puss into a smile must be damned daunting to a lot of girls and many probably just wave it off as too much work for the money.

The smile has to genuinely represent a fun, easy-going demeanor and mood you are already in when you approach her and one that she would much rather be part of on this night than with very unhappy-looking Olaf over there. Yes, even if Olaf is known to pay 500 baht more for the drudgery of spending time with him. With many, many Thai girls, that smile and genuinely happier demeanor works like flipping a light switch on.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2304290]You're buying into the MonkeyPaw pitch about "game" being some lofty, grand, magical quality that only he and a few lucky punters who come under his wing for instructions can master. I don't. BTW, I noticed MonkeyPaw disappeared from these threads not very long after two of his "under my wing" punters returned from a few days' time spent with him in Pattaya and neither had reports about "top girls" giving them wonderful sex in the room for any amount of money. In fact, their Field Reports sounded very much like what I'd been saying about Pattaya in general and was slammed for it here. Coincidence? Who cares. But I digress.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=RacShack;2303773]The last time I seen him, he is still at fucking the hottest chicks walking street and Pattaya has to offer, real deal person, any body else have a photo of themselves parting in Baccara? If so please show, it's near impossible.

I have and seen photos of nuns and orphanage with money given to them, I'm just saying![/QUOTE]Seriously MonkeyPaw has't posted in 3 months but said his 333rd post was his "last" post, if I remembered. He said ending at #333 had special meaning for him. Why are you still hung over him so bad and can't let go? Even when I just posted that we had a blast when we met up in Pattaya at Baccara. We even were so privileged to have management take a photo of us inside the club, breaking all no photos rules as the girls just looked on. This is called respect and we only had a bill of less than 1000 baht between 3 guys. At Palace, he did the impossible by getting the top 2 hottest girls of all Walking Street to come off the stage and sit with him just for 1 big drink and to chat with him and each other. It showed that they dislike one another but still did it because it was him. So I'm thinking a few are still blind and don't want to admit it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2304298]Well, you might be joking about that, but if you look around you will see a LOT of punters approaching these girls looking very sour and dour, as serious as a heart attack. Scary. The thought of turning that sour puss into a smile must be damned daunting to a lot of girls and many probably just wave it off as too much work for the money.

The smile has to genuinely represent a fun, easy-going demeanor and mood you are already in when you approach her and one that she would much rather be part of on this night than with very unhappy-looking Olaf over there. Yes, even if Olaf is known to pay 500 baht more for the drudgery of spending time with him. With many, many Thai girls, that smile and genuinely happier demeanor works like flipping a light switch on.[/QUOTE]OK well, you're talking about a smaller segment of punters here. Majority of them are happy to be on vacation and generally in a good mood being in a gogo bar with naked dancers. It's tough to respond to your posts when it leans to the extremes. In another post you replied to me on, you spoke about getting 2's. This is just a topic that we will have to agree to disagree.

It's also tough to give credit to "game" when extra money is being paid for a not so common service like BBFS and A+. For example, the girls at the gogo bars and at a place like Thermae have already targeted the Korean or Japanese guys who undoubtedly also experienced BBFS and A+. Maybe some of these guys have "game" or maybe they're just spending more money. But they definitely don't speak the spoken language for me to give any credit to any type of verbal communication to receive extra services themselves that would require convincing since numbers and thus money is a universal language. After all, BBFS, A+, CIP / M isn't exclusive to western cultures.

Now, I'm not saying these Asian guys don't have "game". But what I am saying in a P4P world if you want to call it a "game" then it is one where we are just guessing the price of said services if available which is not one you are saying. In an area where the working girls may out number the punters 2 to 1 or even 4+ to 1, many of these girls are willing to also get what they can get and a two minute conversation isn't one that qualifies as having game.

Being clean and nice falls more under being a decent human being. Being up that 1 guy in the club, who's sour and dour and as serious as a heart attack as you said, isn't representative of what's happening as a whole. Because you have very specific needs, your hit rate will be less than that of another punter and likely you're paying more for it which you have admitted in other posts. Again, tough to credit "game" when hit or success rate is less than that of another guy and price paid is more all other things equal.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2304290]buying into the MonkeyPaw pitch about "game" being some lofty, grand, magical quality that only he and a few lucky punters who come under his wing .... [/QUOTE]MonkeyPaw's concept of game is nothing magical. He recognizes that the hottest girls have men offering money for sex every day. His "game" concept is just to convince the girl that a session with you will be a more positive experience than time with another punter. Using whatever you can is your "game.”

I spent most of the last three months in Pattaya (also hit Phnom Penh and Angeles City on visa trips). I recall reading about "having game" last fall in preparation for my trip. Funny to see the same discussion still going on now after returning home. I spent most of my nights the last three months in the gogo bars of Walking Street and LK Metro. I always went after the hottest girls. MP is correct that they will not go with everyone. But he's not correct that it requires "game". It requires being of Asian ethnicity. The hot girls went with Asians of all ages. Usually they go with young Asians because there's now so many young Chinese, Japanese and South Korean youths hanging out at Palace and Panda. But I also saw them go with older Asian guys too. If you're over 50 and non-Asian the hottest girls are not receptive anymore in Pattaya. However at Nana Plaza in Bangkok most of the hot ones are still fine with non-Asian older guys. I think this also explains why one guy might think Pattaya is better than Bangkok and another vice versa. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2304352]I spent most of the last three months in Pattaya (also hit Phnom Penh and Angeles City on visa trips). I recall reading about "having game" last fall in preparation for my trip. Funny to see the same discussion still going on now after returning home. I spent most of my nights the last three months in the gogo bars of Walking Street and LK Metro. I always went after the hottest girls. MP is correct that they will not go with everyone. But he's not correct that it requires "game". It requires being of Asian ethnicity. The hot girls went with Asians of all ages. Usually they go with young Asians because there's now so many young Chinese, Japanese and South Korean youths hanging out at Palace and Panda. But I also saw them go with older Asian guys too. If you're over 50 and non-Asian the hottest girls are not receptive anymore in Pattaya. However at Nana Plaza in Bangkok most of the hot ones are still fine with non-Asian older guys. I think this also explains why one guy might think Pattaya is better than Bangkok and another vice versa. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Yes, MP was "busted" on the Asian ethnicity part of his Top Girls game, and how that isn't exactly something a non Asian can master, very early on.

But one of his Asian "under his wing" students returned and did not describe any action in the room with his Top Girls (in Pattaya, that is) that I would pay as much as 100 baht for. Those guys were paying thousands.

On my last night in Pattaya, I went to have my third and final session with G (Gi? Gee?) at Mod's bar on Soi 6. At reception I told the mamasan I wanted the full hour, not the 50 minutes they gave me the first two sessions by knocking on the door too early. She said I could have two hours for 600 room fee and 1500 for the girl, rather than one hour for 400 and 1000, respectively. I asked G if she could fuck for two hours. She said yes, but it was not true, as she conked out after an hour and half of sex, so we shifted to BBBJ, HJ, dry humping for the rest of the time. I also made the mistake of showing her two 1000 baht notes, one to give to her and one to change downstairs for the remaining 500. She said it was 2000 for her. I said no, it was 1500, but gave her 1700 after a little discussion, since she had been so sweet and responsive during the session (and it was still a good deal), and she accepted it cheerfully, giving me a good-bye kiss.

I presume that this discounted 2-hour rate is also available at other Soi 6 bars, and will ask for it next time I am in Pattaya, as it better suits my session preferences.

Regarding G, she is about 20, from Udon Thani, not Thai looking (I. E. , flat nose, square jaw), no obvious baby damage, be tits, slim, 5' 2", very cute, with a beautiful smile when she would say "I like" (she said that a lot during the sessions). When I interviewed her before the first session (with the mamasan helping to translate) she said that she didn't do BBBJ. I decided she was so cute, it overrode not getting a BBBJ, so went with her anyway. After the shower, put on my music program and started dry humping her standing up, then massaged her pussy and ass, then DATY, during which she came, leaving a 6-inch wet spot on the sheet. She then started, without my prompting, a BBBJ for a few minutes, and then we fucked for the rest of the session to the music, which she seemed to enjoy, as in the next two sessions, when we got to the room, the first thing she said was "you play music? To which I said yes. G is a very sweet, very cute, girl who is a great session. Do not be turned off by the no BBBJ when you first talk to her; if you can turn her on, you will get it.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2304352] If you're over 50 and non-Asian the hottest girls are not receptive anymore in Pattaya. However at Nana Plaza in Bangkok most of the hot ones are still fine with non-Asian older guys. I think this also explains why one guy might think Pattaya is better than Bangkok and another vice versa. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]This is what I have been trying to tell guys here for a very long time. Age matters in Pattaya. A Farang 50+ will not be able to compete for the top looking gogo girls in most gogo bars in Pattaya. Bangkok is a totally different animal where girls will go with anyone.

Bangkok will change within a few years when the Asians start to dominate the gogo bars there as well. Luckily Farang can thank Thermae and Thaniya Road for keeping the Asians busy.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2304352]I spent most of the last three months in Pattaya (also hit Phnom Penh and Angeles City on visa trips). I recall reading about "having game" last fall in preparation for my trip. Funny to see the same discussion still going on now after returning home. I spent most of my nights the last three months in the gogo bars of Walking Street and LK Metro. I always went after the hottest girls. MP is correct that they will not go with everyone. But he's not correct that it requires "game". It requires being of Asian ethnicity. The hot girls went with Asians of all ages. Usually they go with young Asians because there's now so many young Chinese, Japanese and South Korean youths hanging out at Palace and Panda. But I also saw them go with older Asian guys too. If you're over 50 and non-Asian the hottest girls are not receptive anymore in Pattaya. However at Nana Plaza in Bangkok most of the hot ones are still fine with non-Asian older guys. I think this also explains why one guy might think Pattaya is better than Bangkok and another vice versa. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]I just tell them I'm from Japan and that I have a small dick. Actually I am not; I'm from Scandinavia and on average size. I think. I do nok look Japanese but I present some Japanese words and this works magic. The girls crack up. The ice I broken. And she willingly go with me!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2304373]This is what I have been trying to tell guys here for a very long time. Age matters in Pattaya. A Farang 50+ will not be able to compete for the top looking gogo girls in most gogo bars in Pattaya. Bangkok is a totally different animal where girls will go with anyone.

Bangkok will change within a few years when the Asians start to dominate the gogo bars there as well. Luckily Farang can thank Thermae and Thaniya Road for keeping the Asians busy.[/QUOTE]Many Bkk gogo bars are chock full of Asians already. And I walk out with young, slim, cute or pretty 20-23 year old girls willing to give me the kind of True GFE I want for a normal rate.

The only thing that is different about my experience in Bkk vs Pattaya is I actually see several girls in the Bkk gogo bar that I would want to have sex with enough to pay them while a similar gogo bar in Pattaya would likely not have any. That is why I prefer Bkk. "Top Girls" in Pattaya might have a hard time breaking above a 7 rating in Bkk.

Again, not just in basic bone structure looks. But when you factor in their very low rent make up, rough demeanor and attitude, the vast majority of Pattaya girls would not fit in or compete reaching out for us on Soi 7 between Sukhumvit Road and Beer Garden at 1am.

Lol. And, no, I don't mean when they are "rejecting" me because I am not Asian. Just when I observe them. You can't have that low of a middle and bottom range in a red light district yet have astronimically better "Top Girls" just a spitting distance away. Sorry. I have been there, I have eyes. Maybe the 5-6 "Top Girls" in the city are all busy in ST rooms when I am out and about.

I mean, it sure would make sense if they were!

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2304420]I just tell them I'm from Japan and that I have a small dick. Actually I am not; I'm from Scandinavia and on average size. I think. I do nok look Japanese but I present some Japanese words and this works magic. The girls crack up. The ice I broken. And she willingly go with me![/QUOTE]Do you really think all Japanese men have small dicks? How do you know that?

I have seen many penises in my life because it's my profession. I work in the area of dermatology / venereology. I can tell you many European men have dicks smaller than asians.

I am not Asian but hate stereotypes. As stated in my other post, hookers like to exagerate. They like to say what the client wants to hear (I don't like local men, you have a good big dick, you are a good fucker etc), but in their head, (they only like your wallet).

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2304459]Do you really think all Japanese men have small dicks? How do you know that?

I have seen many penises in my life because it's my profession. I work in the area of dermatologist / venereologist. I can tell you many European men have dicks smaller than asians.

I am not Asian but hate stereotypes. As stated in my other post, hookers like to exagerate. They like to say what the client wants to hear (I don't like local men, you have a good big dick, you are a good fucker etc), but in their head, (they only like your wallet).[/QUOTE]Good point! I dislike all the 333 stuff. I suppose it allows some guys to think better of themselves although at the same time it shows those doing the stereotyping in a lesser light. That said however, I do see plenty of NE Asian "gentlemen" making fools of themselves or acting like assholes and this point about stereotyping most definitely does not minimize the very real NE Asian racism directed at us.

The original line was the Japanese had 3" peckers, paid 3000 baht (big at the time) and only lasted 3 minutes.

Japanese do pay over the going rate as they want things their way and prefer not to deal with the dross. That makes eminent sense.

As someone who has bonked a lot of Japanese women, lasting only three minutes has an element of truth in it as they are generally exhausted from working long hours and short holidays.

As regards 3" peckers, I looked up such data a long time ago and dick sixes do not vary all that much. Scoffing at dick sizes goes back at least to the Roman Empire.

A Cambodian hooker told me Khmers have smal dicks but strong as bamboos for bonking.

As Cervantes wrote.

Long and thin.

Goes too far in.

Short and thick.

Does the trick.