Stupid Shit in Kyiv

Ukraine agreed to transfer its nuclear warheads to Russia and accepted USA Assistance in dismantling missiles, bombers, and nuclear infrastructure. Ukraine's warheads would be dismantled in Russia, .

UAs warheads explicitly mentioned. Why such a deal, when the warheads were Russian, anyway?

You can not understand, obviously. Why do you just repeat your wrong claim?

From another serious source: A more attainable option is to modify warheads, kept in storage sites and designated for ballistic and cruise missiles, for use as gravity bombs. Potentially, the warheads could be mounted on Tu-160 and Tu-95 MC 16 heavy bombers; the pilots of these bombers took an allegiance to the Ukrainian people as early as the spring of 1992.

Ref. To POST-SOVIET RUSSIA AND UKRAINE:
WHO CAN PUSH THE BUTTON?
Dr. Alexander A. Pikayev is Senior Researcher at the Institute of World Economy and International Relations.
(IMEMO). He is also Research Director of the newly-formed Center for Critical Technologies and Nonproliferation.
In Moscow
By Alexander A. Pikayev.
Published in The Nonproliferation Review / Spring-Summer 1994.

From same source: Since 1992, custodial protection of warheads designated for heavy bombers, as well as those removed from strategic missiles, is performed by troops under Ukrainian control.
In early 1993, Russian experts were even denied access to the storage sites.

Feel free to post some sources for your false information. Russian text welcome.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2927272]They were not legally "the property of its successor state Russia. " Ukraine returned the nukes to Russia due to the intense US and Nato pressure -- mostly because Nato was and still is willing to sell their firstborn to limit the number of nuclear states. Furthermore, the nukes were returned only under the explicit Russian assurance of Ukraine's territorial integrity.

Gee, what a bargain![/QUOTE]If they belonged to Ukraine, why didn't Ukraine have the codes to operate them?

Why did Kazakhstan and Belarus return 'their' nukes to Russia?

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2927390]If they belonged to Ukraine, why didn't Ukraine have the codes to operate them?
[/QUOTE]Because RF did not provide them.
Only available from highest (Russian) command, of course. On doomsday.
Here you find the (possible ?) scenario: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/missileers/firs_nf.html
Not absolutely precise, I have to admit. As there were 2 officers required, to initiate launch simultaneously.
How do I know ? 2 times I was in the cmd-centre in Perwomajsk, after being dismanteled.

... Why did Kazakhstan and Belarus return 'their' nukes to Russia? ...
Although an answer is relatively easy to goggle, I certainly can educate you in this respect:
[URL]https://www.armscontrol.org/node/3289[/URL]
You will notice the broken security assurance for UA, thanks to Putler.
To demonstrate, that he does not honor every international agreement.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2927423]Because RF did not provide them.
.[/QUOTE]Yeah, because the owner had the codes and kept them.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2927602]Yeah, because the owner had the codes and kept them.[/QUOTE]We've already established that RF was not the owner of the nukes in Ukraine after the break up of the Soviet Union. We already discussed what would happen if Ukraine kept the Nukes and didn't have the codes.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2927423]Because RF did not provide them.
Only available from highest (Russian) command, of course. On doomsday...[/QUOTE]This is not some super advanced, incomprehensible, alien technology. Any well trained, knowlegeable engineer / physicist could, pretty easily, take an existing nuclear bomb with no codes and put new ones on it. The point of all the interlocks, codes and whatever is to prevent some lunatic, or group of lunatics, from setting one off, but they do nothing to prevent competent people (in a comfortable lab) from reprogramming it or removing the electronics and putting on their own.

History of the issue of Ukraine's non-nuclear status:

[URL]https://tass.ru/info/13985001[/URL]

(run Translate to English in Chrome).

This is a message I got today from a western business associate who worked in the FSU for a couple of decades. It's about one of his business partners who was originally from the Donbas. I've omitted places and names so I don't "out" myself or him.

*****s extended family, Aunts and Uncles and cousins live in (Name of city and area in Donbas) under the jack-boot of the Ukrainian Army and last time I heard feed-back about six months ago, they were fearing for their lives daily. Skin-heads patrol the streets and pistol whip any dissenters. They are afraid to speak Russian as they have a mixed Russian and Cossack heritage. *****s aunt and uncles and cousins have been living in their respective basements for a few years now, one cousin died of a heart attack last year (only 30 years old). ***** was devastated, it's all very sad for Ukrainians to be thrust into a major war with one of the most effective yet brutal armies historically and the west pouring weapons in, to 'save Ukraine just increases the misery of the people who can't do much as they don't live in a democracy as we understand it.

[QUOTE=Questner;2927744]History of the issue of Ukraine's non-nuclear status:

[URL]https://tass.ru/info/13985001[/URL]

(run Translate to English in Chrome).[/QUOTE]Here is an equally fascinating essay.

The So-Called Russian Soul.

By Joseph Goebbels.

[URL]https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb11.htm[/URL]

No need to run anything.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2927745]This is a message I got today from a western business associate who worked in the FSU for a couple of decades. It's about one of his business partners who was originally from the Donbas. I've omitted places and names so I don't "out" myself or him.

*****s extended family, Aunts and Uncles and cousins live in (Name of city and area in Donbas) under the jack-boot of the Ukrainian Army and last time I heard feed-back about six months ago, they were fearing for their lives daily. Skin-heads patrol the streets and pistol whip any dissenters. They are afraid to speak Russian as they have a mixed Russian and Cossack heritage. *****s aunt and uncles and cousins have been living in their respective basements for a few years now, one cousin died of a heart attack last year (only 30 years old). ***** was devastated, it's all very sad for Ukrainians to be thrust into a major war with one of the most effective yet brutal armies historically and the west pouring weapons in, to 'save Ukraine just increases the misery of the people who can't do much as they don't live in a democracy as we understand it.[/QUOTE]Shame on you for throwing a line to Putin's thugs on this forum.

No one was afraid to speak Russian in Ukraine. Not in Donbas, not in Kyiv, not even in Lviv. The so-called language problem is a complete Russian fabrication. There are Russian-speaking fighters in AFU (who don't speak Ukrainian or speak poorly), and they do just fine with their comrades.

Donbas wasn't going anywhere until Russian green little boys poured in. Read Girkin / Strelkov who doesn't mince words about how he and his thugs brought parts of Donbas back under Russian control.

[QUOTE=VinDici;2927680]We've already established that RF was not the owner of the nukes in Ukraine after the break up of the Soviet Union. We already discussed what would happen if Ukraine kept the Nukes and didn't have the codes.[/QUOTE]Russia was the successor of the Soviet Union, that's why the nukes were returned to them. End of discussion, move on.

[QUOTE=Questner;2927744]History of the issue of Ukraine's non-nuclear status:

[URL]https://tass.ru/info/13985001[/URL]

(run Translate to English in Chrome).[/QUOTE]Great summary. Thank you.

Interesting is the excuse of Russia, to break the Budapest Memorandum, containing security guarantees to UA.

Usually, nations make agreements with other nations. Russia is very special in (officially not) keeping them.

Who believes, that Putler will honor new agreements?

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2927757]Russia was the successor of the Soviet Union, that's why the nukes were returned to them. End of discussion, move on.[/QUOTE]This guy obviously does not understand serious arguments, or is too lazy to read, still keeping his simple claims without any base.

Putler should cut his salary.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2927756]Shame on you for throwing a line to Putin's thugs on this forum.

No one was afraid to speak Russian in Ukraine. Not in Donbas, not in Kyiv, not even in Lviv. The so-called language problem is a complete Russian fabrication. There are Russian-speaking fighters in AFU (who don't speak Ukrainian or speak poorly), and they do just fine with their comrades.

Donbas wasn't going anywhere until Russian green little boys poured in. Read Girkin / Strelkov who doesn't mince words about how he and his thugs brought parts of Donbas back under Russian control.[/QUOTE]Shame on me? Hey, I didn't lift that from social media. I lifted it from my email, from a message from an individual who's highly respected in his field. And who's been very honest in his dealings with me. Was his friend and business partner outright lying to him? I doubt it. Was he exaggerating? Maybe.

There are two sides to any story. Your sympathy for neoconservatives and Democratic Politicians causes you to believe their side. (Please note I've backed off from calling you a neoconservative or Democrat.) I just think the two sides should stop fighting and come to a solution like Korea. Some of the posters here have historically believed it was in Ukraine's best interest to avoid pursuing peace until it controls all Russian occupied territory including Crimea. They've been proven dead wrong. A lot of people died. And they're still dying.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2927890]Shame on me? Hey, I didn't lift that from social media. I lifted it from my email, from a message from an individual who's highly respected in his field. And who's been very honest in his dealings with me. Was his friend and business partner outright lying to him? I doubt it. Was he exaggerating? Maybe.

There are two sides to any story. Your sympathy for neoconservatives and Democratic Politicians causes you to believe their side. (Please note I've backed off from calling you a neoconservative or Democrat.) I just think the two sides should stop fighting and come to a solution like Korea. Some of the posters here have historically believed it was in Ukraine's best interest to avoid pursuing peace until it controls all Russian occupied territory including Crimea. They've been proven dead wrong. A lot of people died. And they're still dying.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but "trust me bro" is not going to cut it. You're an anon on a mongering site, not a well respected journo.