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[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] They are among the biggest gossips and back-stabbers, not-to-mention opportunists when someone with money is around. Her brother recently got married. Unfortunately he "married down" resulting in low-life riff-raff from his new wife's village showing up to eat all the food, drink all the booze and have their hands out repeatedly for more and more. Since my GF's family have money, all these people were quite brazen in asking for all manner of things. The bride's scum family contributed nothing to the proceedings and yet expected a sin sord of 130,000 + 3 baht of gold, far more than the girl, considering her status was worth.

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Generally I would agree with what you say, but they are not all the same. And they very quickly realise who will not ignore their hands out approaches. Indeed you put your Isaan G/F on a pedestal, and there are many more like her. As for your G/F's brother marrying beneath him, that was no doubt his choice, and regardless of the price paid he was no doubt a happy man. (I say well done to him, presumbly going against the family's wishes - pity he didn't just offer the girl a better life, take it or leave it, with no sinsod or gold). Why does her status have to enter into it? She may have been from a poor family, but clearly she did not follow the masses to Bangkok and Pattaya, and earn a living in the bars, providing fodder for you, me and everyone else. It is the likes of us that lower a girls status,whether paying 300,500 or 1000's of baht for a night of sex and then you turn round and push it in their faces!

Yes all villages have their lazy scum who effectively gatecrash every party and eat and drink themselves silly. But that is the fault of the hosts - allowing them in in the first place. Bangkok too has it's high class scum - many of them - who show no consideration to others, believe it's only about money, and look down on all those have nots. Can you honestly say none of your well placed Hi-So "friends" are not also scumbags?

Sure, Isaan has its faults, just as Bangkok does, and no doubt every other country in the world. But just as in Bangkok, a farang living in Isaan is free to pick and choose whom he mixes with, and who to invite and who to exclude from his own social events.. In my little corner of Isaan, the scumbags do not bother me, and I have a good life.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...Both ends of the social spectrum in this country are scum. It's only the middle class who are worth a damn and who carry most of the burdens of the country.[/QUOTE]

And don't forget us happy-go-lucky farang expats in Pattaya! We're glad to help out a little too! :)

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
Both ends of the social spectrum in this country are scum. It's only the middle class who are worth a damn and who carry most of the burdens of the country.[/QUOTE]

Thats obsurd. I never understand watch brings you to choose the word "scum" and why you want to generalise.

Are not the King and the Princess Prathep at the top of the society spectrum, but held is the highest possible esteem.

We all know that there are people with wonderful character amongst both the rich and the poor, even if they don't manage to dominate society.
Very poor people with great character no doubt go totally unnoticed. It must be the dumb voters you are reacting to, but is "scum" the right word?

Its the powerful people that manage to make their corruption have a severe impact! I only stating the obvious so I shouldn't bother I guess.

The middle classes in Thailand must be a very small portion of the population compared to western countries.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]And don't forget us happy-go-lucky farang expats in Pattaya! We're glad to help out a little too! :)[/QUOTE]
Yeh, at least we are distributing some money to the poor and to the economy. Where would Thailand be without the sex economy?

[QUOTE=Easy2007]The funny thing is though, the less that take 500B, the more there are that now fuck for free. Don't you love the internet and what it has generated.

Or, if you are decent looking, you can now fuck for free via spending time on the net through the various ways its possible.[/QUOTE]

Very true, I am getting a lot of dates from some internet programs lately ;)
and the big majority of these girls are ok to fuck.
My gig (one of them) is 19 and she told me that nowadays, in Thailand, among the new generation, it is quasi impossible to find a girl who is still a virgin at 20. Maybe not 100% true, but it gives you an idea of the changes in Thai girls mentality :)

[QUOTE=Giotto]I missed Stickmans weekly column for some weeks now - so I had some reading to do today. One of his pieces is [again] about one very old and often repeated issue: Sponsorship.

[URL]http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickMarkII/BargirlSponsorshipDoesntWork.htm[/URL]

Remarkable is that even if the male part of the sponsorship contract finds out the truth he tends not to believe it and hopes to somehow make the relationship work. And even worse - getting a PE involved to check out the background of a girl, finding then that she has many sponsors, and still not believing it - this cannot happen to all of you readers, I know, but I see it happening so many times :(:(:( ...

Read it - AND KEEP IT IN MIND.

Giotto[/QUOTE]
"Sponsership doesn't work!".
Work in what sense? What would the expectation be?
Obviously a girl is interested in a guy for some reason.
It would clearly be money if he has nothing else to offer. Thats partly why rich guys get hot girls.

But it doesn't buy the girl and get exclusive rights. We don't know what she is doing when we are not there.
Its not even worth worrying about.

The more money that is paid, the sooner the girl will leave if she has reached her immediate money target. Drip feed may keep her hanging on for longer. Buying her a house should normally lead to instantly being dumped.

A hot girl can always collect additional guys or richer replacements.

So the problem with supporting a girl too well, is that if leaves you not knowing why she wants you at all and how long it will last. On the other if you never help a girl that is worse off than yourself, you will be a stingy bastard. If she still wants you, then the reason will still be unclear.

If a stunning girl likes you who doesn't need financial support, then you know its not for financial reasons. This is tough for an old ugly guy to achieve.

Its all straight forward really, well sort of.

When a girl with big money problems doesn't ask a guy for money knowing that she could easily get it, that is perplexing. Its called "greng jai". Or she could be so smart that she knows she can get it without asking.

When a girl needs money desperately but pushes the guy and his money away, that means she has a much better source or means in rare cases that she doesn't think it is the right thing to suck money out of someone else, but needs to focus on staying within her own means.
Such a person exists.

A girl could be playing up just as we do.
Its hyporitical to be too worried about this.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]What makes this forum so "interesting" are debates such as this; between "privileged" elitists like Giotto, smug as he is in his palatial digs on soi 33, surrounded my all those "classy", over-priced beauties, and the "back-to-nature", simple-living Farang Bugsida, living with their ugly, ex-BG, Isaan farm wives in some backwater, Isaan shithole. Of course, I'm sure they have the big "baan Farang" in the village and are the envy of everyone, not to mention possessing, as they do heaps of genuine grass-roots knowledge of Thai/Isaan culture.

Ya. t'aint nothin' better than gettin' down wit' da locals.[/QUOTE]A very interesting post OTH, and it likely says more about you and your feelings as to anything else.

It is often the case that the "poor farangs" married to Thai's tend to hide away in Bangkok. Nobody really knows anyone, no family are around, you can live a very simple life on the small salary and nobody is playing the traditional Thai game of "I have more than you have".

Back in Isaan everyone knows everyone, and there are "shows of wealth" in terms of house size, car size, number of cars, how much gold etc. And for a "poor farang" married to an Isaan girl it must be hell.

Which is why they all tend to talk down Isaan and run away to live in Bangkok where they can be as anonymous as they want to, and live their simple life.

Given the venom of your posts against Isaan, one can safely, I feel, assume that you have been "embarrassed" by the farangs and their wives and their wealth in Isaan, and prefer you anonymous life in Bangkok, hiding away, and this is the reason for your hate of all things Isaan.

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[QUOTE=Mick Licker]"Sponsership doesn't work!".
Work in what sense? What would the expectation be?
Obviously a girl is interested in a guy for some reason.
It would clearly be money if he has nothing else to offer. Thats partly why rich guys get hot girls.

But it doesn't buy the girl and get exclusive rights. We don't know what she is doing when we are not there.
Its not even worth worrying about.

The more money that is paid, the sooner the girl will leave if she has reached her immediate money target. Drip feed may keep her hanging on for longer. Buying her a house should normally lead to instantly being dumped.

A hot girl can always collect additional guys or richer replacements.

So the problem with supporting a girl too well, is that if leaves you not knowing why she wants you at all and how long it will last. On the other if you never help a girl that is worse off than yourself, you will be a stingy bastard. If she still wants you, then the reason will still be unclear.

If a stunning girl likes you who doesn't need financial support, then you know its not for financial reasons. This is tough for an old ugly guy to achieve.

Its all straight forward really, well sort of.

When a girl with big money problems doesn't ask a guy for money knowing that she could easily get it, that is perplexing. Its called "greng jai". Or she could be so smart that she knows she can get it without asking.

When a girl needs money desperately but pushes the guy and his money away, that means she has a much better source or means in rare cases that she doesn't think it is the right thing to suck money out of someone else, but needs to focus on staying within her own means.
Such a person exists.

A girl could be playing up just as we do.
Its hyporitical to be too worried about this.[/QUOTE]

I agree Mick but I'll chime in my two cents also.... There are also sometimes when there are two sides to the story and if the girl goes out then sometimes it is the guys fault. Even a girl who you care about and support or help out can get even or go out to hurt the guy at times and sometimes the guys deserve it. When guys are hurt they jump the BTS to the nearest MP... sometimes the girls do it too but only when it is more dramatic a reason IMHO. It is hypocritical to think only a guy can screw around. Sometimes a guy gets what he deserves. Atleast that is my POV. Just because you pay them does not mean you own them and sometimes it is not about the money or the sex that they are going after. Sometimes it is for other reasons.

And for guys to turn their back on girls who do this I think is wrong, we are in the mongering game but we expect the girls to be virgins until we screw them and remain virgins forever until it is our turn inside her. At times it can make the relationship stronger and more powerful when there is such drama in one's relationship. It is how you react and fix the issues that will determine if you have a relationship or if you are being taken.

To each his own... As long as you only offer what you want to offer and give what you want to give...

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Nobody ever said the HiSo crowd weren't mean-spirited, miserly and selfish. They didn't get rich by being nice.

Both ends of the social spectrum in this country are scum. It's only the middle class who are worth a damn and who carry most of the burdens of the country.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but these people are middle class. Or at least trying to appear so. I just don't think they have any class in general. I dropped 10K on the mom and I only met the old lady once.

Tansak, I really don't know much about sponsoring a WG, although I do send my GF in Indonesia 300 USD per month. With that, she pays all the house expenses, water, electricity, maid, etc, and also works with me full time. She considers it good money, and hardly ever asks me for anything over and above, except a custom wet suit last month. she is home every night, chatting with me on yahoo.

I think the point of sponsorship, to give the girl a monthly amount, for most guys, is to replace the money the WG is making in the bars. He wants her to stop working, and to be with him exclusively. We have all seen videos on Utube, showing the WG talking to her sponsor on the phone, naked, after just had sex with a punter, telling him to be quiet, as she swears eternal love, and tells the unsuspecting guy she is at home alone, staring lovingly at his pics. I believe the sponsor is trying to keep her for himself, yes, and therefore gives her enough money for her to not NEED to go out and work. Of course, we all know this never happens, and articles like the one Giotto posted a link to in Stickman's site, only make me shake my head in wonder. How can a guy be so stupid to think a WG, who has been on the game for years, will stop working after she has known a man for a couple of weeks? Sending a WG money, and hoping she will not work, IMO, only invite her to despise the guy, and try to milk him for as much as possible.

It makes no sense to me whatsoever. But some of these girls are smart, very smart. I wonder how successful they would be if they took their smarts into the real world.



[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I agree Mick but I'll chime in my two cents also.... There are also sometimes when there are two sides to the story and if the girl goes out then sometimes it is the guys fault. Even a girl who you care about and support or help out can get even or go out to hurt the guy at times and sometimes the guys deserve it. When guys are hurt they jump the BTS to the nearest MP... sometimes the girls do it too but only when it is more dramatic a reason IMHO. It is hypocritical to think only a guy can screw around. Sometimes a guy gets what he deserves. Atleast that is my POV. Just because you pay them does not mean you own them and sometimes it is not about the money or the sex that they are going after. Sometimes it is for other reasons.

And for guys to turn their back on girls who do this I think is wrong, we are in the mongering game but we expect the girls to be virgins until we screw them and remain virgins forever until it is our turn inside her. At times it can make the relationship stronger and more powerful when there is such drama in one's relationship. It is how you react and fix the issues that will determine if you have a relationship or if you are being taken.

To each his own... As long as you only offer what you want to offer and give what you want to give...[/QUOTE]

Oh Brother of mine... Of course what you say is all true.

I just stated that there can be two sides to every story and not every situation is identical. There are always exceptions to every rule and the first rule I follow is that she will not be a wife. But a few baht each month is nothing, and if you pay her by # of shots I get in then she'd be getting up there in the dollar figure during a two week trip. Sorry but dropping those 100 lbs really added to my #'s...

And in my opinion it is often hypocritical of guys to expect the girls to stop working over night or stop at all. Some of these guys here have dated a MP girl doing a few customers a day. As I said, as long as you can afford it and you are happy to give it then WTF... You still are not buying a used or new car. There are no ownership papers and I think many mongers get hypocritical really fast. Many of these hypocrites are the ones cheating on their wives when they find out a WG they send 100 baht to is still working.... And yes, while we are screwing them they are screwing us... Opebo might be right with the 500 baht china town ladies... But basically if you do the math out and you think about paying per shot, it is sometimes cheaper to pay a few baht each month to a girl especially if the chemistry is there. And if you want to pay some education after a while then great or whatever. And if she wants to stop all customers after some time then fine.

It definitely takes longer then three weeks and expect bumps and curves and crashes in the road form both sides. Mixed relationships can be volatile IMHO or at least with my culture mixed with asian culture. But just because you run into a bump does that mean you throw the car away? For those guys who are married did you get married after three weeks? I doubt it.. relationships take time especially considering WG's. And for those that say they can not work, many do not, but some do. My track record on long term is 0 for 1 (in thai, PI and China are different stories) while I'm working on the second strike... But mongering and finding the ones that you want to keep around can be half the fun and take a while.... And as long as this second one is getting something out of it to help her or her family then I am OK with what I am doing and I could give a rats butt what others think.

And if you've ever gone and met the family upcountry,,, then you've really had an eye opener.


[QUOTE=1Ball]Tansak, I really don't know much about sponsoring a WG, although I do send my GF in Indonesia 300 USD per month. With that, she pays all the house expenses, water, electricity, maid, etc, and also works with me full time. She considers it good money, and hardly ever asks me for anything over and above, except a custom wet suit last month. she is home every night, chatting with me on yahoo................It makes no sense to me whatsoever. But some of these girls are smart, very smart. I wonder how successful they would be if they took their smarts into the real world.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Nobody ever said the HiSo crowd weren't mean-spirited, miserly and selfish. They didn't get rich by being nice.[/QUOTE]

No, mostly they got rich by being born, and have a lifelong sense of entitlement. This being Asia, they also have a strong, almost innate understanding of competition for scarce resources, and are very keen to keep kicking at the people just below them on the ladder (a habit one finds in every social class here).

Does this discussion really belong on Bangkok Reports? I just got myself a bit of leave from the family, and was checking this thread to see what's up on the BKK bar scene before heading to the meatier stuff at Living in Thailand, Thai Women, and Thai Politics. Just sayin'. . .

You make a very good point, Tansak, however, I was not talking about nice girls, I was talking about the mean b*tches, who pull a man into their web. I was talking about the kind of girl found in Stickman's story.

Do you remember a few months ago, a member posted a link to his blog, I think he was from Finland, or Norway, not a regular contributor to the LOS thread, however. He had met this girl, fallen in love with her, sent all his money over to buy a house, she even showed him fake documents, and the house. All smoke and mirrors of course, there was no house, and she cleaned out the bank account he had set up for her to buy the house, and renovate.

If I remember correctly, she even managed to produce fake documents stating he was a signer on the bank account. I guess they had gone to the bank together to open said account, but since all papers were in Thai, he didn't know what he was signing. He thought he was opening an account, but was probably filling out some kind of loan application.

His plan was to move to Thailand, live with her, have a great life with her, etc. He was devastated when he found out there was no house, no money, no girl....

If a man has entered into an agreement with a girl, that he will support her, and she is to not go out, then that is the agreement. If, however, he sends her 5,000 Bt per month, as a nice gesture, just becasue he wants to help, then the relationship is completely different, and he should not expect her to stay home and twiddle her thumbs.

And there lies the rub.

I suggest we move this to opinions and advice, if we wish to continue this discussion.

Hello everyone: I am coming to Bkk in the end of August, can someone recommend decent hotel for 600 bahts or less please? The hotel should have a safe at the reception, it should be clean, allow guest free of charge, the room should have a shower with hot watter and should have an airconditioner. Many thanks for your advice.

[QUOTE=Zde]Hello everyone: I am coming to Bkk in the end of August, can someone recommend decent hotel for 600 bahts or less please? The hotel should have a safe at the reception, it should be clean, allow guest free of charge, the room should have a shower with hot watter and should have an airconditioner. Many thanks for your advice.[/QUOTE]ZDE

Do you know there is a Bangkok hotel forum?

Go there for the anwser and RTFF.

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