Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2929077]You are incapable of debating me. Run along now.[/QUOTE]Blood Red, these guys are idiots. I am not sure what they are going to do when Ukraine surrenders. They are in complete denial and delusional. Hell half of the still believe the Russian Hoax.

Hopefully Ukraine will surrender soon, but I have my doubts as long as the money keeps coming to Pres. Z. , he will keep going until nothing is left.

Russia continues to get stronger and build Allie's, while the west and it Allies getting weaker.

None of this makes any sense, but nothing about Ukraine ever made sense. A totally corrupt place, with no end in site. This time Russia called there bluff, if Ukraine is not careful there will be nothing left. Over 1/2 million dead, probably 750,000 disabled for what.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2928954]Exactly. These NATO morons believe whatever the pathetic western MSM tells them. [/QUOTE]"These NATO morons. " How nice to find yet another confirmation that you have nothing to do with Putin's Russia, LOL.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2928959]To break the moral of the population. Like Putlers tactics to kidnap Ukrainian children.[/QUOTE]Precisely!

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2928962]Are you really this stupid? If Putin wanted to do that, he can flatten all of Kiev and the rest of Ukraine in a day to break their morale as you claim is his objective. You make no sense.[/QUOTE]Oh, that wishful Kyiv-in-3-days thinking again. No, my shrimpy friend, Putin can't "flatten all of Kiev and the rest of Ukraine in a day. " If he could've he would've a long time ago. And then he would've done it again and again and again. He doesn't want Ukraine for Russians, he doesn't want Ukraine, period! Hence the genocide.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2929000]I already posted the analysis. It was not an Iskender.[/QUOTE]Who says anything about an Iskander? The hospital was hit with a KH-101 missile. That has already been proved by real military experts -- not some Putin stooges.

[B]Russian Missile Identified in Kyiv Childrens Hospital Attack[/B]

[URL]https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2024/07/09/russian-missile-identified-in-kyiv-childrens-hospital-attack[/URL]

[B]Type of Russian missile that struck Kyiv childrens hospital uses western components[/B]

[URL]https://www.ft.com/content/ef463ac9-4804-4ad7-b9a2-c113590f2f96[/URL]

[B]Hospitals: Where Russia Kills Children [/B]

[URL]https://cepa.org/article/hospitals-where-russia-kills-children[/URL]

Although I must say, I honestly don't know why I bother. You're obviously getting paid simply for decimation of lies, not making them sound plausible, so why would you care?

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2928954]The hospital was hit by a NATO missile. [/QUOTE]Oh, aren't you adorable!

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2928954]You are truly a dumb fuck. The Iraq war, which was based on a complete lie (Iraqi WMDs that never existed) resulted in almost a million people dying and the destruction of Iraq, and made the whole middle east even more unstable and gave rise to terrorism all over Iraq. But that isn't criminal in your eyes? [/QUOTE]Easy big fella. Just because you get paid for this exchange while I don't doesn't make me dumb. Or does it? Hmm, well OK, moving on.

No, the Iraq war wasn't criminal. It was conducted in wrong ways, yes, but Saddam brought it on himself by refusing to comply with one UN disarmament resolution after another.

Did Bush's administration fuck up that war? Absolutely!

Did it have the legal right to go to war faced with the real possibility that Saddam had been stockpiling and developing WMD? Absolutely!

Was it the only reason Bush started that war? Absolutely not!

But that has nothing to do with legalities.

Before you start yapping again, may I remind you that even your current employer claimed at the time that Saddam had been stockpiling WMD? And so did France, GB, Germany, Egypt, and Israel, among others.

So no. The Iraq war wasn't criminal. Your war on Ukraine, on the other hand, totally is.

[B]Why the War Wasnt Illegal[/B]

[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why-the-war-wasnt-illegal[/URL]

[QUOTE]United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan was wrong in recently terming the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq illegal.

The war admittedly occurred on legally ambiguous grounds. It is also fair to acknowledge, even among those of us who accepted the logic of risking war to ensure Iraqs verifiable disarmament, that its basic desirability and benefits can be debated. Indeed, while not my view, it can reasonably be argued the war was a strategic mistake, as it may foster more anti-U.S. terrorism and risk leaving Iraq in chaos.

But it was not illegal. U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, passed by unanimous vote in November 2002, made it clear the then status quo in Iraq was what was illegal. Saddam had already violated some 17 previous resolutions demanding his verifiable disarmament. He was put on notice by Resolution 1441 that continuing this was emphatically unacceptable.

And while inspectors did make progress in Iraq in the ensuing weeks of late 2002 and early 2003, they hardly resolved all questions. Iraqs compliance then remained imperfect at best, as chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix has noted.

Even someone who would have preferred to see the inspections continueand again, there was a case to be made for that approachshould not term the war illegal.[/QUOTE]

In the longstanding Russian tradition that tacitly celebrates their crimes while denying them publicly, the Russian UN ambassador Vassily Nebenzia published the menu of the reception at a UN Security Council.

[B]Ukraine has criticised Russia for serving chicken Kiev at a UN Security Council dinner.[/B]

[QUOTE]Sergiy Kyslytsya, the Ukrainian ambassador to the UN, shared an image of the menu which highlighted chicken Kiev served with potato paille.

The moral decay of Russian diplomacy is glaring, he said.

He criticised diplomats for attending the dinner, which he described as being funded with blood money.

The Ukrainian capital was known as Kiev under Soviet rule but Ukrainians call it Kyiv.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/07/10/russia-ukraine-zelensky-putin-war-latest-news51[/URL]

If you see a "buffalo" sign on an elephant's cage, do not trust your eyes, as once written by Kozma Prutkov.

The following facility was hit this Monday: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luch_Design_Bureau[/URL] by X-101 (Kh-101).

The hospital nearby was hit by a modified AIM-120. Video of a hit and fragments were posted by the Ukrainian side.

X-101 has wings, a different length to width ratio, leaves usually a distinctive air trail behind, and with a payload of 400 to 800 kg would have obliterated the building.

The Ukrainian side puts its air defense systems, like NASAMS within the city to avoid them being targeted and for technical reasons of Russian missiles trajectories.

This is not the first case, and it is tragic. Civilians die daily on each side, which is actually the one. I don't distinguish between them.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2929134]In the longstanding Russian tradition that tacitly celebrates their crimes while denying them publicly, the Russian UN ambassador Vassily Nebenzia published the menu of the reception at a UN Security Council.

[B]Ukraine has criticised Russia for serving chicken Kiev at a UN Security Council dinner.[/B]

[URL]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/07/10/russia-ukraine-zelensky-putin-war-latest-news51[/URL][/QUOTE]Xman, just a simple question have you ever been to Ukraine or Russia? I asked before, but you never bothered to answer, but you know everything.

You are one super liberal idiot. This war is not helping anyone including Russia. The war is keeping countries economies down, but you do not care about any of this, just keep the war going and Russia will go home. This will never happen. You guys are destroying Ukraine, with the hopes that Russia will collapse. The opposite is happening, Russia is getting stronger.

If you liberals were serious about defeating Russia, you might want to start producing oil and drive the prices down, but that is too easy. Just keep sending more outdated equipment to Ukraine. There is no training and soon there will be nobody left to operate them. In your fantasy world these problems do not exist, but in the real world they do.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2929051]Disinformation is an easy source of money for this poster. It's amazing really how effective Russian propaganda has been on geopolitics and how ubiquitous it is, appearing even on a forum like this, which is dedicated to sex tourism. I suggest that the moderator should block this poster as a fully controlled agent of Russian disinformation.[/QUOTE]Blood Red is a strong contributor to the UAE / Dubai threads. There's no way he's a paid propagandist. Could he be SVR, bouncing around the Gulf States doing the work of the Fatherland? Well, I guess so. If so, far from wanting to ban him, that would make me super interested in what he has to say. Who knows, maybe Xpartan is CIA and VinDici is MI6. Wouldn't that be a gas! Our own little virtual Casablanca here!

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2929134]In the longstanding Russian tradition that tacitly celebrates their crimes while denying them publicly, the Russian UN ambassador Vassily Nebenzia published the menu of the reception at a UN Security Council.[/QUOTE]Just came here to say you are an idiot if you think people get paid by the Russians to troll on this forum. The soon you realise that, the better.

What benefit Russia would gain targeting a children hospital? None. In 2 years Russia has been very careful not to involve or kill civilians. On the contrary Ukraine targeted Russian civilians in the Donbass for year. Not to mention the attack on the Crimea beach. Russian missile strikes have been absolutely precise, and on military targets or infrastructures. Only an idiot could think that Russia deliberately decided to destroy a children hospital. You are out of your mind.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2929123]

Who says anything about an Iskander? The hospital was hit with a KH-101 missile. That has already been proved by real military experts -- not some Putin stooges.
[/QUOTE]Iskendar or KH-101 - The missile in the video also lacks the distinctive wings of the Russian Kh-101. It looks like a NATO supplied NASAM. I suggest you consult some pics before making yourself look foolish again.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2929123]
No, the Iraq war wasn't criminal. It was conducted in wrong ways, yes, but Saddam brought it on himself by refusing to comply with one UN disarmament resolution after another.

Did Bush's administration fuck up that war? Absolutely!

Did it have the legal right to go to war faced with the real possibility that Saddam had been stockpiling and developing WMD? Absolutely![/QUOTE]NO WMD were found in Iraq, which was the justification for the invasion. It was an illegal, criminal invasion that resulted in millions of innocent people dying. You don't know shit about shit, you don't know dick.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2929181]Blood Red is a strong contributor to the UAE / Dubai threads. There's no way he's a paid propagandist. Could he be SVR, bouncing around the Gulf States doing the work of the Fatherland? Well, I guess so. If so, far from wanting to ban him, that would make me super interested in what he has to say. Who knows, maybe Xpartan is CIA and VinDici is MI6. Wouldn't that be a gas! Our own little virtual Casablanca here![/QUOTE]LOL. I'm not Russian. I don't have a horse in this race. I have nothing but the utmost respect for the brave Ukrainian people stuck in the needless war that should have never happened. I have met some very good, kind, decent Ukrainian people. My GP in Australia was a Ukrainian, an amazing man.

I am just telling it like it is, because I know the history and the origin of this conflict or war, whatever you want to call it. The collective west (USA, UK, NATO, etc) used Ukraine as cannon fodder just to make Russia bleed, weaker. Fuck these people.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2929098]Blood Red, these guys are idiots. I am not sure what they are going to do when Ukraine surrenders. They are in complete denial and delusional. Hell half of the still believe the Russian Hoax.

Hopefully Ukraine will surrender soon, but I have my doubts as long as the money keeps coming to Pres. Z. , he will keep going until nothing is left.

Russia continues to get stronger and build Allie's, while the west and it Allies getting weaker.

None of this makes any sense, but nothing about Ukraine ever made sense. A totally corrupt place, with no end in site. This time Russia called there bluff, if Ukraine is not careful there will be nothing left. Over 1/2 million dead, probably 750,000 disabled for what.[/QUOTE]These people are completely delusional. Reality will sink in though. Then what will be their excuse? I think I have an idea.

Notice the crap Biden is spewing these days? He is now saying that 'victory for Ukraine' will be Ukraine continuing to exist as an independent, free country. No mention of borders or territory, notice that. That's the narrative these bastards will take now, after destroying Ukraine. Fuck them.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2928962]Are you really this stupid? If Putin wanted to do that, he can flatten all of Kiev and the rest of Ukraine in a day to break their morale as you claim is his objective. You make no sense.[/QUOTE]He tried, but failed miserably. Because he expected, the Ukrainians to greet the red invaders with flowers. In this respect Putler is worse than Adolf.

You are missing some good education, obviously.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2929204]He tried, but failed miserably. Because he expected, the Ukrainians to greet the red invaders with flowers. In this respect Putler is worse than Adolf.

You are missing some good education, obviously.[/QUOTE]Looks like you are failing at reading comprehension. I said if Putin wanted to FLATTEN Kiev (NOT capture, the two are different), he could do it within a day or two. He doesn't. Instead, he has been very patient and hitting military targets only.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2929000]I already posted the analysis. It was not an Iskender. The 5 Iskender's before that hit their target as the videos prove. The hospital was hit by a NATO missile. Another case of Ukrainian AD not working as intended which is tragic.[/QUOTE]Just going with out and out lies now.

[QUOTE=VinDici;2929212]Just going with out and out lies now.[/QUOTE]Facts based on what I saw in the videos. Prove me wrong.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2929182]Just came here to say you are an idiot if you think people get paid by the Russians to troll on this forum. The soon you realise that, the better.

What benefit Russia would gain targeting a children hospital? None. In 2 years Russia has been very careful not to involve or kill civilians. On the contrary Ukraine targeted Russian civilians in the Donbass for year. Not to mention the attack on the Crimea beach. Russian missile strikes have been absolutely precise, and on military targets or infrastructures. Only an idiot could think that Russia deliberately decided to destroy a children hospital. You are out of your mind.[/QUOTE]Thank you. Any person with any common sense would know that Russia gains absolutely nothing by attacking a children's hospital. But these morons swallow all the lies from the pathetic western MSM.