Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=Nounce;2646945]Would you agree that if the everyone one earth was vaccinated in the same month, for example July 2021, the pandemic would be over by now.[/QUOTE]What a foolish question. But I'll play along. My thought: if everyone was vaxxed on July 1, followed by 14 days of complete isolation, literally in your own room of 4 walls. In theory, yes, that would cripple, if not end the pandemic.

Meanwhile, back on planet reality, that is impossible. And what about those bats. LOL You remember, right? The wet market that "started it all". The problem with your hypothetical ignores the very natural mutation process. That's obvious but it's a fact we live with annually with the flu. Yet life goes on. People die from the flu. People die from a lot of things. Sad? Yes. Tragic? Yes. Fighting nature is a fool's game. Vaccinations & therapeutics are not bad. We should do what we can. But draconian mandates are bad. More importantly, reality has shown how ineffective those mandates are. Shutting down life for 3 years is not acceptable.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2647031]I question your credentials, relevant experience and knowledge to question my analytical ability.

This is such a simple issue. Let's start with your last bit first, "they use Pfizer's data. " That's incorrect. They cherry picked pieces from Pfizer's data and presented it out of context. Let me put it into perspective for you. For this example let's look at a slot machine. If we look at every time the slot machine is played over a 2 month period, we can determine the average payout of the machine, just for fun let's say it's 91%. On average, for every dollar that goes in, 91 cents comes out. That's using the data. However, if we want to make the slot look better, we could just point out the number of times it hit a big jackpot. Or we could make it look worse by focusing on all the times when it paid nothing.

Next up, providing names and credentials. No respectable publication will publish any scientific study without the names and credentials of the principal investigators. No hospital will allow a doctor to work there without checking the doctor's credentials. Even your local car dealership requires the certifications of their mechanics. Schools require teaching credentials. It's a simple matter of credibility. Does this person have the necessary and relevant education to work in this area?

This might seem like a minor point to you, but it isn't. It's a core issue. For another dose of perspective, let's use ISG and Medellin as an example. If someone posts on the Medellin thread, it's their very first post, and they claim to have been a regular visitor, 5 months per year, for 15 years and they make a claim which goes against everything posted by known Medellin vets, do you accept their claim? Again, just for fun, let's say they claim that the best time and place to find the hottest women is just west of the Prado Metro station after midnight. Are you rushing off to find a girl there at midnight?

Probably not. At least I hope not.

The point is, any anonymous source can claim to be an expert, but only a fool would accept their expertise without question.

You are correct about one thing. My mind is made up about the Canadian Covid Care Alliance. It's simply an anti-vax group pretending to be backed by science. Five minutes on their website proves that without the tiniest bit of doubt.

Do you understand what "click bait" is? It's everywhere. The heading of the blurb which leads to the CCCA website and "proof" is click bait. It makes a claim which the CCCA never proves. In fact, they prove exactly the opposite..[/QUOTE]Your argument went from odd to absurd. Your endless analogies do nothing to bolster your opinions. Rather, you just cloud the issue. And arguing these points on ISG with a closed mind is foolish. If that's your definition of fun, well, enjoy! I generally enjoy debate. But you deal in immaterial analogies instead of fact. And why do I make it personal? You basically attack the control group because the saline doesn't cause reactions. Um. Isn't that the point? If that is news to you, may I suggest a 7th grade science class to you.

As for the credibility of the authors, how were Malone's credentials accepted? That is a pathetic game. If they don't subscribe to group think, they are quacks. They cherry picked data? Again, it was Pfizer data and they did not misrepresent a single data point. But if you want to say highlighting inconvenient data for you as cherrypicking? Call it whatever you want. I'll call it fact.

Lastly, clearly the nuance of relative vs absolute is lost on you. That is unfortunate because that is the most alarming nugget from the entire presentation. Frankly, I thought they gave a thorough explanation. But why it matters? The RRR is essentially the marketing ploy. That's the big number that gets people so hopeful about "efficacy". Marketing: "Hey, take our jab and your 95% more likely to avoid COVID. ". But that just isn't true. That is a lie. ARR is the true measure of reduction. You calling ARR bullshit tells me you either don't understand it or don't want to understand it. If you see it as bullshit, you stand in opposition with the scientific community. It's not bullshit. It's simple math. And it is the gold standard.

A couple more attempts to explain it. Again, I think this is SO important because the RRR is the very reason many subscribed to the theory that the vaccines are utopia. Even when real world data proves that it is not!

[URL]https://www.healthnewsreview.org/toolkit/tips-for-understanding-studies/absolute-vs-relative-risk/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tldrpharmacy.com/content/absolute-risk-reduction[/URL]

Jjbee, if you take any of this personally, I apologize. I don't mean it personally. I don't know you. I don't know your credentials, background, or anything of the sort. Based on your comments and opinions, you strike me as someone who doesn't have an open mind. You dismiss, excuse, or ignore information. Your long diatribe in opposition is full of analogies and failed attempts to discredit sources. It is short on facts. You do not dispute the facts because you cannot dispute the facts. I truly do not mean this as a personal attack. I believe you have strong beliefs and opinions. My only interest in the discussion is not to prove I'm right and you're wrong. (I'm not arrogant enough to say I'm 100% correct.) My interest is in having you and anyone think.

What I am 100% confident in is that our "leaders" have competing interests. Be it financial, political, etc. Our "leaders" have an agenda. And that is very problematic.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2647035]You seem very certain so I like to know what do you think is the point I am trying to prove?[/QUOTE]You literally said your point in the comment I responded to. Your point was that if everyone in the world got vaccinated in July 2021 that you believe that the pandemic would probably be over. Like read your own comment. You literally did not respond to any of the points I made in my reply, but instead you post this reply that is just trying to be a smartass but actually just makes you look dumb. How about you respond to the points that I made buddy.

[QUOTE=Jake2738;2647015]The reality is that if you are not getting vaccinated and live in a country where it's widely available you are not making a smart choice. But to mandate a vaccine to protect them from their own bad actions is authoritarianism. It would be one thing if they were still posing a threat to others, but it is very clear that it is getting passed between people regardless of vaccination status. So if people want to be dumb and not get the vaccine that is their own dumb choice. I am fully vaccinated and the pandemic IS over for me. COVID is Endemic and so if you are not getting back to normal life after being vaccinated YOU are the one not following common sense.[/QUOTE]I am glad you are anti-mandate Jake, but there is a lot you missed, and that is why that podcast from Dr. Malone was so helpful. The Democratic want to discredit him, but if you listen to the podcast, this man has had Covid twice, had long Covid, and has been vaccinated.

What he has said about the vaccine is what I have observed in real life. It worked great against alpha, so-so with delta, and does nothing with omicron. The hysteria was at a fever pitch with omicron but he said there has not been on death due to omicron. The media had a field day by changing the preposition. There have been people who have died with omicron but not FROM omicron. No one has died FROM omicron.

So now you have sports teams who are fully vaccinated and even have boosters and omicron is ripping through them. Country after country with high vaccination rates are seeing all time high cases of Covid. The good news with this is Covid is following what viruses historically do: getting more contagious and less virulent. So yes, it is endemic but being vaxxed has nothing to do with protection for anyone.

If the virus just stayed in the alpha phase, there is a case that could have made for vaccine mandates. Now there is none. Fauci just said today if you are not triple vaxxed, you are not vaxxed, which is a purely evil statement. At this point, you are handing out a vaccine with no benefit and terrible side effects. If ever there was proof that Fauci was owned by drug companies / vaccine manufacturers, today is that day.

Dr. Malone said when he first saw the virus, he thought drugs not the vaccine would be the way to go. He took over the counter Pepcid and got better and is now doing a study with that. China, who knew more about the drug than anyone, had a cocktail of drugs that they used early on including hydroxycholoroquine. India had a package that included ivermectin, and that package of drugs completely arrested the horrible spread going on there.

He also talked about the malaria belt in Africa and how ivermectin and HCQ are being used there, and there is no denying that part of Africa has been spared from Covid. So all in all, things are positive IMO.

Joe Rogan got sick with Covid when delta was rampant. He called up a doctor probably Dr. McCollough who was on his show and asked what should I do? According to JR, he was very sick. JR was given antibodies, ivermectin, prednisone, azithromycin, and some vitamin drips. In his words, he was better in a date. So he has been asking why is the treatment that worked so well for him not being discussed? Why is it all vaccines all the time? He was even pressured to get vaccinated and asked why when he has natural immunity that is better than vaccine immunity.

As for you, your being fully vaccinated is completely irrelevant as to what is going on today. I have seen tons of people who are vaccinated with Covid, a hospital staff had a Christmas party with its fully vaccinated workers and 25% came down with Covid. This is common.

I get why. You want to believe something even if it is not true, and that is part of what is called "mass formation psychosis" that Dr. Malone talked about, and nowhere has that been worse than with the vaccines. Here you had the vaccines, you did what was told, you were being good, and you should be rewarded for that right? I get it. I want to think part of the reason I did not get Covid (or think I did not despite all the exposure) is I was vaccinated even when I saw vaccinated people getting sick before their eyes. It made me fool good. In reality, it is because I probably avoided being with sick people for an extended period of time.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2646945]Would you agree that if the everyone one earth was vaccinated in the same month, for example July 2021, the pandemic would be over by now.[/QUOTE]Not at all. Delta was the predominant strain then, and the vaccine was not that great with Delta.

Furthermore, Covid is not just in people but animals now and even if humans had complete and lifelong immunity against one strain of Covid, the newer Covid versions could jump species.

Even if you vaccinated everyone on the same date when alpha was present, and the vaccine worked best against alpha, the virus was still present in those people who were infected and could mutate in those people and then spread.

The notion that the vaccine was going to stop the pandemic was a pure pipe dream, and that pipe dream sold by Fauci and Pfizer has made them billions. They knew it was not going to work. Hell, they printed vaccine cards with four entries on them instead of two. When that pipe dream failed as they knew it would, they turned on the unvaccinated and said, "It is your fault it did not work."

Yeah, there was some benefit with the vaccine early on but now it literally does nothing. To me, it is amazing that a vaccine that has been such a failure now is even being discussed.

Anyone can easily determine whether or not the vaccine poses a greater risk than Covid. It's something most people regularly do and use when making decisions.

In the US there have been 57 million cases of Covid and over 200 million people are fully vaccinated. Roughly, if you're from the US, you know about 4 times as many people who are vaccinated, than people who have had Covid.

Do you know anyone who has had a serious case of Covid? Do you know anyone who has died from Covid? How many of each?

Take those 2 numbers and multiply each by 4. How many people do you know who have had a serious illness caused by the vaccine? How many do you know who died from the vaccine?

It's that simple. You don't have to rely on anyone else to try to influence your opinion.

Guys like JJBee should stop blaming the victims and stop defending criminals. They are doing the bros a disservice and potential great harms downplaying the huge security risks waiting for them by drugging and robbing hookers in Colombia.

3 drugging and robbing incidents happened within a couple days to seasoned mongers. It's obvious hookers in Colombia are professional thieves, out to steal everything from mongers at every chance they have.

It would be a big problem if mongers have their phones, money, wallets, passports stolen. Without money and credit cards how are they going to get emergency passports? How will they explain to their wives, children, bosses, friends that they lost everything and got stuck in putas central Medellin? Worse yet, they may be dead by the putas' drugs.

I suggest the bros be very careful with their wallets and phones while on the streets and in the rooms with hookers.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2647057]Consider the what if aspect. Or, if it makes it easier, consider a reasonably small island nation. If enough resources were diverted to that island to vaccinate everyone within 1 month and all travel to the island was very tightly controlled, would that island now be free of Covid?

I don't know the answer, but it is an interesting thing to consider. Would Covid, on that island become no worse than the common cold?[/QUOTE]Obviously, the question can't be answered with any certainty. The issue would be how the bodies react to said vaccine. But I would say, vaccine alone? No, it would not be wiped out because we saw breakthrough cases, even before the more well known variants. More effective (and just as impractical) would be absolute isolation. If the virus runs its course and has no other host, that would be more effective. But impossible.

As for the common cold hypothesis, that is what is occurring with omicron, no? It's the natural order of things. Did vaccination help get us there? No. (You could actually make a case that the unvaccinated helped us get to that point. Though, obviously, there with significant side effects.) Did vaccines save lives? Yes. But lower virulence is common as viruses mutate.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2647195]...the virus was still present in those people who were infected and could mutate in those people and then spread....[/QUOTE]Is this the absolute truth in your opinion?

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2647195]...Yeah, there was some benefit with the vaccine early on but now it literally does nothing...[/QUOTE]

It seems to me that this statement is assuming the vaccine development is static.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2647205]Anyone can easily determine whether or not the vaccine poses a greater risk than Covid. It's something most people regularly do and use when making decisions.

In the US there have been 57 million cases of Covid and over 200 million people are fully vaccinated. Roughly, if you're from the US, you know about 4 times as many people who are vaccinated, than people who have had Covid.

Do you know anyone who has had a serious case of Covid? Do you know anyone who has died from Covid? How many of each?

Take those 2 numbers and multiply each by 4. How many people do you know who have had a serious illness caused by the vaccine? How many do you know who died from the vaccine?

It's that simple. You don't have to rely on anyone else to try to influence your opinion.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONH-pxBMJu4&ab_channel=Johnny%27sWarStories[/URL]

Goddamit Bee you're a goddam genius. That is the most outstanding answer I have ever heard. You must have a goddam IQ of 160. You are goddam gifted, J Bee.

So many geniuses here. One was going well but used more similes than most could imagine. He'd fit right into any professorial job, explaining Covid like so:

Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?

Thou art more lovely and more temperate.

Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May.

And summer's lease hath all too short a date.

O my Luve's like a red, red rose.

That's newly sprung in June;.

O my Luve's like the melodie.

That's sweetly play'the in tune.

[QUOTE=Jake2738;2647015]Would you agree that the statement you just made is insane and completely out of touch with what could realistically happen. You think it is even remotely realistic that everyone in the world could have been vaccinated by July 2021? Like cmon now, don't be creating unrealistic hypotheticals to try to prove a point. The reality is that if you are not getting vaccinated and live in a country where it's widely available you are not making a smart choice. But to mandate a vaccine to protect them from their own bad actions is authoritarianism. It would be one thing if they were still posing a threat to others, but it is very clear that it is getting passed between people regardless of vaccination status. So if people want to be dumb and not get the vaccine that is their own dumb choice. I am fully vaccinated and the pandemic IS over for me. I follow all the rules if they are in place, but if not then I just live normally. COVID is Endemic and so if you are not getting back to normal life after being vaccinated YOU are the one not following common sense.[/QUOTE]You have a bunch of internet scientists here going back and forth and it's pretty hilarious / pathetic, the reality is the pandemic is over.

I just flew in on the 1st and a quarter of the plane had a nasty cough, probably covid. But wait everyone is vaxxed!

The only place that has asked for a vaccine card and is the casino, and then I took my mask off when I walked in.

I said but wait I'm boosted what gives? Doesn't matter still have to wear the mask they said.

The people in govt are stupid as shit, in every single coutnry, and they push mandates because follow the freaking money. The vaccines don't do shit to stop covid and people are literally in a trance after an endless propaganda campaign by the media.

And you have people here on the streets wearing masks outside in the scorching heat even though theyre vaxxed lmao why? Because they're quite literally brainwashed by the news and arent smart.

Simple as.

The pandemic is over, I don't wear a mask anywhere unless I'm told I have to or ill be kicked out. The pussy is great, Colombia is back baby.

Jw.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2647329]You have a bunch of internet scientists here going back and forth and it's pretty hilarious / pathetic, the reality is the pandemic is over.

I just flew in on the 1st and a quarter of the plane had a nasty cough, probably covid. But wait everyone is vaxxed!

The only place that has asked for a vaccine card and is the casino, and then I took my mask off when I walked in.

I said but wait I'm boosted what gives? Doesn't matter still have to wear the mask they said.

The people in govt are stupid as shit, in every single coutnry, and they push mandates because follow the freaking money. The vaccines don't do shit to stop covid and people are literally in a trance after an endless propaganda campaign by the media..[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/ericswalwell-aoc-florida-masks/2022/01/05/id/1051222/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2647262]Is this the absolute truth in your opinion?[/QUOTE]Absolutely, viruses mutate all the time but let us be real. We are talking hypotheticals. You are not being realistic.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2647262]It seems to me that this statement is assuming the vaccine development is static.[/QUOTE]I thought they were trying to beef up the vaccine for omicron but if you watch the interview with Dr. Malone he says no the current vaccine does not target omicron.

And even if there was, I would not take it. Nobody has died from omicron so what is the point?

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2647241]Guys like JJBee should stop blaming the victims and stop defending criminals. They are doing the bros a disservice and potential great harms downplaying the huge security risks waiting for them by drugging and robbing hookers in Colombia.[/QUOTE]I've never blamed a victim. Instead because I'm not a whiney little shit who can't manage to get successfully laid in one of the easiest places to get laid in the world, I recognize every one of us is responsible for our own safety and security. If I'm walking down the street staring at my brand new $1000 phone and someone snatches it and runs away, I made the theft easy and possible. If my phone had been in my pocket, or locked up safely in my room, I don't get robbed. If I don't leave my luggage laying open and leave a girl I don't know alone with it, I don't have the girl doing. Hmmm?

Well I'm not sure what the girl did. In your first post she moved 5 feet and was hovering over your luggage. In another post she was digging through your luggage and you caught her red handed. Those are 2 completely different things. Care to explain that? Either one of those claims is a straight up lie, or both of those things are straight up lies. Which?

I'm not downplaying the risk of being drugged and robbed. I'm saying that the situation you described was not an attempt to drug and rob you. It was a ridiculous exaggeration, which it appears you're rather well known for.

The drug most commonly used to drug and rob people in Colombia is Scopolamine. It's commonly prescribed as a transdermal patch for motion sickness. I assume it is also available in pill form. The most commonly reported delivery method when scopolamine is used to drug and rob people is by putting it in the victim's drink. It's why several people here, myself included have posted not to leave your drink unattended, not to let a girl get you a drink, and not to drink anything someone is trying to coerce you to drink.

Scopolamine is not given to people in spiked joints. Burning scopolamine would certainly change the effects. It would also look pretty strange if some girl was trying to get you to smoke something you don't want, when she refuses to smoke it, or breath any of the smoke.

And I know exactly where you were staying. I've walked by that little hotel hundreds of times. I lived for almost 10 months just a short walk south of there. Unless a girl can fly, there is absolutely no way she could get out of sight from the lobby door in 2 seconds. Usain Bolt couldn't do it. However, in 15-20 seconds she could be up the stairs and walking towards Hotel Porton. So once again your story has an obvious lie in it.

[QUOTE]3 drugging and robbing incidents happened within a couple days to seasoned mongers. It's obvious hookers in Colombia are professional thieves, out to steal everything from mongers at every chance they have.[/QUOTE]No. It's not obvious that hookers in Colombia are professional thieves. Every day thousands of mongers in Colombia have no problems with Colombian hookers. Although a few do fall in love with them which is a different and more expensive problem. What's obvious is that even seasoned mongers can become victims, if they lose track of what they are doing.

In my opinion, it's the seasoned mongers who are more likely to get drugged and robbed. They forget where they are and start thinking these girls are all their friends. Then they let down their guard with the wrong girl at the wrong time and wake up 14 hours later.

[QUOTE]It would be a big problem if mongers have their phones, money, wallets, passports stolen. Without money and credit cards how are they going to get emergency passports? How will they explain to their wives, children, bosses, friends that they lost everything and got stuck in putas central Medellin? Worse yet, they may be dead by the putas' drugs.[/QUOTE]Perhaps I'm a bit a prude, but if someone has a wife and children and they are spending their money to travel to another country to fuck hookers, then they've already demonstrated some poor decision making skills. Forget about the risk of bringing home some disease, or the moral issues. They're abandoning their responsibilities to their wife and children to get cheap pussy.

It would be a problem for anyone if they had everything stolen. It would be a problem in any country. That's why it's important not to be stupid. You don't put all of your eggs in one basket. You don't carry around your passport, except when you need it. You don't carry around your credit and debit cards, except the one you need to use, when you need to use it. You separate your valuables, so the likelihood of someone finding everything is low.

If you leave everything you need to get back home in one easily accessible pile, nobody needs to drug you. As soon as you turn your back, any girl can grab it and go.

[QUOTE]I suggest the bros be very careful with their wallets and phones while on the streets and in the rooms with hookers.[/QUOTE]I've got a better suggestion. Keep your wallets safely locked up. Nobody in Medellin is going to need to see your Social Security Card. There's nothing in your wallet you need on the streets of Medellin except for some cash, which can be carried in a pocket without leaving an obvious bulge for anyone to target. When you're in the room with a girl, you still don't need your wallet. You need a bit of cash and maybe a condom. No wallet required.

When you're on the street, keep your phone safely in a front pocket. If you need to use your phone to translate, buy a cheap phone and carry that instead.

If you're just a little bit smart about it, your risk of being robbed is very small and you can easily minimize your loss. However, I don't think that applies to you. You're clearly out of your element.

I've seen guys, who can't even order a beer in Spanish, hit the ground running and end up with more women than they could possibly handle after just a few hours. You have years of experience, had wingmen, speak at least some Spanish and you barely managed to get laid at all, and couldn't manage to even halfway salvage your trip.

Worse, in a country where beautiful, fit, affectionate, clean and easily attainable women can be found with less work than it takes to put on your shoes and carry out the garbage, you couldn't manage to find one. Then you go away claiming everyone in Colombia is a fat, misshapen, ugly, stinky, thief.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why you couldn't have success in Colombia. Looking at the Tijuana board you were apparently planning the trip for some time. You were aware of the options and the possibilities of Facebook, but instead, you didn't bother to use any of the resources which you were aware of. And now it's everyone else's fault.

You didn't even pick the right hotel, if you were in Medellin to monger. Nothing wrong with that hotel. I've always been interested in it (but when I already had a nice 3 bed apartment, I didn't need a hotel). However, at current rates, you were about a 6 k, 10-30 minute (depending on traffic) taxi ride away from Parque Lleras. Because of the area, I expect they might have issues with bringing girls there, when reception is open. There are better options either convenient to Lleras, El Centro or Laureles.

Medellin isn't for everyone. Parque Lleras isn't for everyone, neither is El Centro, La Isla, Facebook, or any other option. While I generally enjoy the food in Colombia, it's not universally loved. However, with a small amount of preparation, I believe anyone can find women who fit their desire in Medellin. I believe it because I've seen it many times. I've met mongers between the age of 30-75, mongers who have been everywhere and mongers on their first trip who managed it. I've met mongers who can barely walk 1 block and mongers that are fitness fanatics, and all of them managed to enjoy their time in Medellin. I've met mongers who are butt ugly and mongers who look like they stepped out of GQ and they managed to enjoy Medellin.

If you couldn't have a good time in Medellin, the problem isn't Medellin, the girls or anything else. The problem is you.

It actually surprises me that the anti-vaxxers are still here in any real numbers weaving out their BS from fake wingnut online media sources. It must take a basement existence somewhere in England or Sweden, or an equally meager life in the states.

I'm also ultimately surprised by the "freedom" thumpers as if the Founding Fathers envisioned anything like a right to spread disease. It's all as ludicrous as the Trump presidency.

But carry on. LOL.