Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Western787;1566119]Climax under the Ambassador seems to draw some, but Skogis is the guy with the true expertise in regard to the Hi So club circuit[/QUOTE]Hehe well well but atleast I know my way around a few circuites by now. But as you may have noticed I tend to do a mixed mongeringprogram with FL pick ups from places like Climax, Levels, Bash, Insanity, Q Bar, Spasso, Shocks66 etc. I would not rate them, maby except Levels, as hi so clubs but that is probably due to individual preferences. Dealing with my regular girls I tend to hit the more upscale part of BKK's nightlife as Thong Lor area. Here other mechanisms comes into play than in mentioned clubs. Mostly I allready have dates arranged when going here as in an all in wine, dine, party and fuck program.

G-clubs have lately somewhat become a small favorite I e The Pimp and girls are hired here bcs they enjoy to party and they look beautiful, have well tuned bodies and are in general of top quality both in socializing and in bed. Be prepared to spend some serious cash though but by buying a membership deal (they come in many forms)you will be let off easier. I paid 30000bhts for free admittions, access to VIPs. 12 btls of Gold Label(for 1 year membership, the btls i presume needs to be topped up though). Girls here come with you only if they like you as they are not by any chance forced by managment to go with anyone. Payment for afterhrs pleasure are strictly between you and the girl. They are hired to entertain in the club and thats it (maby you can fuck them in a VIP designated area I don't know but I think only some kissing and ass touching will be on offer).

Reading the 4 last pages is a certain proof I did not miss anything. Pricedebate and how much better BKK was in the good old days is still running. Paul got one useful information though as we now have established sextoys are not legal for sale in Thailand. Quite logic by the way as most porn sites are beeing blocked (yes, I know my way around them blocades). I buy some crappy toys at the stalls though to add into the bedtimefun.

For my last stays in short and also as my 2 cents thrown into the neverending pricedebate. I don't care how much people pay in bars, go go, mp, escorts, st / lt, ld and if the prices here flies uncontrolable sky high. I care only about the FL market as all other is not my idea of having a good time and my main aim is semi pros frequenting nightclubs.

Since 010114 I have been to BKK numerous of times (I think 8, only a few days each time). I have picked a good number of girls from mentioned venues (top of my post) and except from 1 girl which I paid 5k (exellent service, mind, body, attitude, performance etc) , I pay 3k each time. This is LT encounters and they all stayed for 8hrs or more. The longest almost a day. This incl multiple poppings, combination of PSE / GFE and usualy A+ is on the menu (not that this is discussed upfront just played by ear). I never discuss any price upfront so this is what I give the girls before they leave. One of these 3k encounters is actually a Spassogirl as well. Spassogirls used to crave for 5k but maby it is getting CHEAPER, hehe (officegirl I might add with her own car). All girls seems happy with my compensation. I admit that for the Spassogirl it was all a test as i was ready to pay the usual 5k but she took the money given her without an eyebrow lift of beeing unhappy.. Well well.

Except from Spasso which was 2K cheaper than before I still pay 3k for LT FL girl (not the most hardcore ones but mostly girl out to get some extra cash, they are not gone). The 3k also incl girls from G-clubs.

2 nice Beergarden girls have also joined me during this period. Great personalities and very giving girls. Paid 1k and 1, 5k for these two. Not bad at all.

So for my pussymarket prices has not changed in 8 years. In my book a LT FL girl from nightclubs was 3k and still is. In BG I have never realy paid less than 1k and have probably paid 2k as well sometimes. Me and a friend took a girl in for testing a DP she got 3k (BG pick up, this is some years ago now, she spoke some swedish by the way as she was on holiday from her swedish husband).

I put some effort into the hole deal not just beeing a business transaction. I want myself and the girls to have nice time. It is all about trust and chemistry (in my book).

By the way Thermae i have not visited for a good year now so can not comment recwnt developments. But a good year ago i did pick a girl from the asian lineup. Maby impossible today?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1566166]Paul, almost every time I am in Tmae, which is rare these days, I see a smiling farang approach a gal and get met with a scowl or just completely ignored. Completely uncalled for.[/QUOTE]Fair enough. True, it's not like these ladies are ladies, but then not all of us or gentlemen either. Neither is excusable. A friendly approach deserves a polite rejection.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1566194]Reading the 4 last pages is a certain proof I did not miss anything. Pricedebate and how much better BKK was in the good old days is still running. Paul got one useful information though as we now have established sextoys are not legal for sale in Thailand. Quite logic by the way as most porn sites are beeing blocked (yes, I know my way around them blocades). I buy some crappy toys at the stalls though to add into the bedtimefun.[/QUOTE]Well, we can't have gyno images and Penthouse Letters all the time, can't we?

BTW: I have never had a single difficutly in accessing ANY (porn related) website whilst in BKK.

I assume that if anybody has ever had some, it should be mainly an hotel related issue rather than governmental (as it is in arab countries, for instance)

As far as sex toys, true that the street stalls do not offer much variety, especially on the main sex toy, but sufficient enough for some play if one can't or doesn't want to bring in.

TIT, when one reads that sextoys are not legally allowed (to be sold in a shop) and then they are on public display in the streets of BKK, visible to anyone (at least a shop saves face, being behind closed door)

If thai ladies base their idea of farang dick from the street dildos I'd be scared to if I was them, they are mostly hideous.

Has anyone ever been asked to show passport? If you did, were you someplace you shouldn't be and / or did you get testy with the officer?

There seems to be a link between trying to mouth off with tuk tuk / cops and bad things happening.

[QUOTE=Gorgon;1566237]Has anyone ever been asked to show passport? If you did, were you someplace you shouldn't be and / or did you get testy with the officer?[/QUOTE]I can only answer on my own behalf but I am happy to inform you I have travelled extensively around the globe since 1995 and I have never been stopped on the street or other places by any officials or others wanting to see my passport. As far as I can remember I have never carried my passport around so no bad happenings to report. Passport in safe and off we go. But I am sure there are others out there having different experiences as this was only mine.

But as an official traveladvice I know our foreign ministry allways advice travellers to atleast keep a photocopy of your passport when stralling around.

[QUOTE=Western787;1565990]Check the outdoor seating at Subway on Soi 7/1 late evenings for an old Russian hooker that calls out to passerbys[/QUOTE]Hi Western787,

When was the last time you saw Russians at Subway?

[QUOTE=Skogis;1566257]I can only answer on my own behalf but I am happy to inform you I have travelled extensively around the globe since 1995 and I have never been stopped on the street or other places by any officials or others wanting to see my passport. .[/QUOTE]Get yourself in an unwanted trouble (even by just crossing the street on a pedestrian crossing and somebody hits you) and you have a case where somebody will ask you an I'd.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1566182]Actually a gal in a non-P4P bar in Thailand would not treat anyone who was being nice to her like that. She would smile and deflect.

I don't find it entertaining at all. I find it quite obnoxious and offensive. These are P4P girls which in this country makes it even worse. It has nothing to do with "competing." It is simply ill mannered.[/QUOTE]I meant to say what would happen in a typical (non P4P regular) western bar if an average 50 plus year old guy hit on a 25 year old hottie. The response would generally be quite nasty. Now while I do feel bad for the guys being shot down inThermae and also deem it rude, one might as well buy popcorn and enjoy the show.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1566194]G-clubs have lately somewhat become a small favorite I e The Pimp and girls are hired here bcs they enjoy to party and they look beautiful, have well tuned bodies and are in general of top quality both in socializing and in bed. Be prepared to spend some serious cash though but by buying a membership deal (they come in many forms)you will be let off easier. I paid 30000bhts for free admittions, access to VIPs. 12 btls of Gold Label(for 1 year membership, the btls i presume needs to be topped up though). Girls here come with you only if they like you as they are not by any chance forced by managment to go with anyone. Payment for afterhrs pleasure are strictly between you and the girl. They are hired to entertain in the club and thats it (maby you can fuck them in a VIP designated area I don't know but I think only some kissing and ass touching will be on offer).[/QUOTE]For anyone enjoys the latest Electronic Dance ("House") Music (with the drops and so forth) played as it was meant to played on a world class sound system, they need check out the St Regis G Club, right at the end of Soi 11. Also the room is so huge (40 feet ceiling I believe) they can play it loud without your hearing being destroyed as routinely happens in Rainbow 4 and particularly Rainbow 1 as well as other Go Go's.

The ITC live band plays intermittenly (1/2 hour sets on and 1/2 hour breaks or something similar) pop tunes etc, though IMHO its not very good IMHO. I think they were hired for looks instead of talent .

Personally I wish they just played the recorded music sound system 100% of the time

The entry fee is 1000 bahts for which one then gets one drink (you can hang at the bar if you want) so obviously its expensive, so one has take care and check ahead that they go on a busy night (Fri or Sat usually a good bet) when the G girls are actually dancing, because some nights they just parade through every hour or so and hide in the lounge, and do absolutely no dancing at all.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1566194]By the way Thermae I have not visited for a good year now so can not comment recwnt developments. But a good year ago I did pick a girl from the asian lineup. Maby impossible today?[/QUOTE]Absolutely not impossible today except perhaps with the 10 to 20 (or even lower number) obvious super cuties (out of the 120 to 150 mostly average to slightly hot girls typically in there by midnight). The most serious ones will have the Jap style hairdo and stand on the left side in a very passive way, (just as the Japs prefer it) some holding their nightbag ready to go, and wait patiently and standing very still while waiting for the "General inspecting his troops" style walk by which the Japs have down to a science.

Of course those are the precise girls many Farangs obviously fantasize about, and which (if they don't know the deal) end up making fools of themselves slobbering over them as they are turned down after seeing them standing in the same spot for hours.

I suspect (for want of a better term) some of the "teen dream" types could be bribed by Farangs, but I have never heard of anyone actually claiming successfully going OTC after overpaying at bribe levels, lets say combined with discreetly suggesting a place to meetup later.

Note the pattern you see: Farang walks up to "teen dream" and gets shot down , then (for him to save face) hits on the adjacent (generally avg girls) and they (to also save face) then also shoot him down one after the other.

[QUOTE=Western787;1566317]I meant to say what would happen in a typical (non P4P regular) western bar if an average 50 plus year old guy hit on a 25 year old hottie. The response would generally be quite nasty. Now while I do feel bad for the guys being shot down inThermae and also deem it rude, one might as well buy popcorn and enjoy the show.[/QUOTE]Depends on how you "hit" on the lady. Last week I was at one of my favorite restaurants on Miami Beach, a very casual Italian restaurant. The staff is a mix of Italians, Brazilians and Argentinians. From 5-8pm it offers reduced prices on drinks and free antipasto. It draws a good crowd. I'm a regular and know the manager and several of the staff. I was sitting at my stool when two young ladies sat next to me on my right. I'd give one of them a solid 8 with a very good figure; the other a 7 and a little heavier than I prefer. This is the Beach where good looking girls are plentiful. I minded my own business, engaged in some friendly conversation with the two bartenders, one a good lookin Italian male and one a gorgeous Brazilian female. Part of the restaurant's formula is good looking male and female staff. After a while I turned my head, established eye contact and smiled at the ladies, then said hello and started a conversation. To make a long story short I learned both worked at the front desk of one of the 5-star hotels across the bay. Before leaving they told me their typically schedule and asked me to stop by and say hello. On leaving the 8 said, "ya, after our shift, we can go out together." I'm 63, I'd guess the ladies are between 24 and 28. Have I fucked them yet? No. Will I? Depends on how hard I try.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1566350]Depends on how you "hit" on the lady. Last week I was at one of my favorite restaurants on Miami Beach, a very casual Italian restaurant. The staff is a mix of Italians, Brazilians and Argentinians. From 5-8pm it offers reduced prices on drinks and free antipasto. It draws a good crowd. I'm a regular and know the manager and several of the staff. I was sitting at my stool when two young ladies sat next to me on my right. I'd give one of them a solid 8; the other a borderline 6-7. I minded my own business, engaged in some friendly conversation with the two bartenders, one a good lookin Italian male and one a gorgeous Brazilian female. Part of their formula is good looking male and female staff. After a while I turned my head, established eye contact and smiled at the ladies, then said hello and started a conversation. To make a long story short I learned both worked at the front desk of one of the 5-star hotels across the bay. Before leaving they told me their typically schedule and asked me to stop by and say hello. On leaving the 8 said,"ya, after our shift, we can go out together. I'm 63, I'd guess the ladies are between 24 and 28. Have I fucked them yet? No. Will I? Depends on how hard I try.[/QUOTE]The rule I cited was the all purpose general rule.

When I hear Brazilian and Argentinian young girls, I think P4P right away.

In any case assuming its not flat out P4P, obviously there can be a compensating (perceived) resource factors at work when younger women in bars meet older guys, or just cultural factors, and in multi national venues (like Miami) particularly you are likely going to run across women from other countries where age is that not big a deal.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1566196]Fair enough. True, it's not like these ladies are ladies, but then not all of us or gentlemen either. Neither is excusable. A friendly approach deserves a polite rejection.[/QUOTE]LADY: "a polite dignified woman: a woman who behaves very politely and with dignity."

Perhaps its mostly limited to part timers, but I don't think for example in Thailand being a "lady" is necessarily mutually inconsistent with being a working girl, and I always go on that operating assumption. Many in fact are quite dignified, reserved, and ladylike but who also happen to work in a very odd profession.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1566356]The rule I cited was the all purpose general rule.

When I hear Brazilian and Argentinian young girls, I think P4P right away.

In any case assuming its not flat out P4P, obviously there can be a compensating (perceived) resource factors at work when younger women in bars meet older guys, or just cultural factors, and in multi national venues (like Miami) particularly you are likely going to run across women from other countries where age is that not big a deal.[/QUOTE]Absolutely not P4P. These are trained restaurant waitstaff. Now many good looking young women on Miami Beach are open to a sugar daddy relationship; so I'm sure the female bartender would seriously entertain an invitation. The two young ladies I talked to were trained in the hospitality industry and worked for one of the big global corporations with brands ranging from three to five stars. They are probably interested in spending a few years at each of several destination citites. Both spoke English with a Mid-Atlantic American accent. My guess is both have a Latin background and likely speak Spanish.

I think your last sentence is correct. I find many women here who are less than half my age who show an interest, so to speak. My point is it depends on how you approach them.

All this started with the attitudes of many of the young ladies in Thermae. I've been hearing for the last couple of years that Thermae keeps getting worse and worse for farangs. But I think that has nothing to do with the reactions some guys, especially older guys, get after a poorly executed pick-up move in a "normal" bar or club setting. My approach to picking up a young girl is to act like an urban gentleman ;) and not try to pick her up. Before I started my conversation I moved a couple plates of the choice antipasto from my left to my right so the ladies could easily reach them. I said nothing other than "you're welcome." After the conversation started I said nothing the least bit suggestive. I let them do most of the talking and demonstrate they are mature women. I asked follow up questions, agreed with everything they said and let them feel intelligent. ;) I directed about 60% of my attention to the 7, who was the first to ask me to stop by where they worked. The 8 immediately reinforced the suggestion. I was not surprised when it was the 8 who wanted to go out together after work. The next clue will be whether all three of us go out or the 7 bows out and suggest her friend and I go out.

Problem is I've gotten lazy. All of this is too much work, ends up costing just as much or more and wastes a lot of time. I much prefer fucking strippers in Miami and Bangkok's P4P scene. As for Thermae, even though I'll be staying next door, it's unlikely I'll even set foot in there.

Thermae: the main problem is the quality is not that great. Most of the girls are sub Go Go and by that I mean sub Go Go girls that I am interested in and barfine. They wear poor quality clothing which further conveys to me a lack of overall quality. I was there recently in March. Girls on the left, Girls on the right, Girls in the center: I got the smile and the "take me" look from most. Say 85% which was a better ratio than in 2012 or 2013. I just did not see any girls that I had to have. I really like that "I have to have her feeling" that some girls give me. A few girls gave me the "you don't exist look". Now why in the world would a punter try to pick up a girl giving off that kind of vibe? I don't know. It is a newbie mistake. I have never been turned down here. I won't approach a girl giving off a bad vibe same as I won't approach a girl I am not attracted to.

Once in a while you can get lucky in Thermae even now. Like last year when I was there having a coke and an absolutely hot girl dressed to the 9's in black evening dress walked into the place like she owned it. She was a 7. 5 in a sea of 5's. She walked around the island twice. On her 2nd revolution I smiled and said hello. She smiled and came over. Yada yada yada. I took her back to my hotel room and had a great time. I think I posted a trip report about her last year. She told me she worked in a legal office and came to Thermae once or twice a month when she was low on funds. Believe me guys, she gave me that "I have to have her" feeling. She was 29. Perhaps she started in Thermae a long time ago in it's heyday. I don't know. She really stood out from the other girls. Somehow I misplaced her cell number and I never saw her again. Damn!