Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Samata61; 1275160]Love this form. No place for error.

Anyway, she does 3+customers per day and makes 6000 to 8000 bht per day. She claims I understood her English wrong with 60-80k per month and she meant 6-8K per day. I don't think I will keep her on the leach too long so any other questions?[/QUOTE]6-8k per day makes 60-80k a month if she just works 10 days a month, ie 3 days a week.

[QUOTE=Samata61;1275160]I don't think I will keep her on the leach too long so any other questions?[/QUOTE]Ask her how she got in the business and why. And how is La Belle as a working environment (are they nice to her, is she getting pressured, etc).

[QUOTE=Harold444;1275206]600-1000 st is what ugly girls thai get. One would think ugly negro would cost more (just as a novelty). But who knows as I've never tried either. LOL.[/QUOTE]Harold444, you're an ass and everyone knows that, you make useless comments most of the time and everyone knows that, you're maybe right sometimes but this is a little over the top.

I am not ok with you using the word "Negro" in this forum. Not because of the word, I have heard it said many times and all was fine, but I KNOW that in your case it is meant as an insult towards a certain race.

As far as I know, people don't choose their parents, ethnic backgrounds and place of birth. Skin color should'nt matter more than eye color if you ask me.

I hope Jackson reacts to this and sends you back to BKK2nite. Oh no wait, you've been banned over there too.

I did a google search and searched this forum, but came up empty handed. Is there any massage place / red light area, or street action near the On Nut BTS area? Tons of hot girls walking around here, obviously most of them are "good girls", so to speak.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1275342]I did a google search and searched this forum, but came up empty handed. Is there any massage place / red light area, or street action near the On Nut BTS area? Tons of hot girls walking around here, obviously most of them are "good girls", so to speak.[/QUOTE]I think you answered your own question

[QUOTE=Wolf Hound; 1275104]What is with the cry of troll when someone posts a negative review of an establishment? I am in Thailand over 4 months of the year through business or pleasure and feel entitled to share my experiences with the board.

I was not impressed with Dr BJ and I just thought I would share my experience. For the keyboard warriors to wet their knickers because someone posts a bit of reality defeats the purpose of having an open forum in the first place!

Best places visited on my last trip.

Baccara.

Tilac.

Annies.

The Bank.

Rainbow 4.

Worst place visited.

Dr BJ[/QUOTE]What did you like about The Bank? I understand it to be a smaller G club, but mostly a karoke club geared toward Japanese or other east asians, with apparently american ownership though.

I had a great time there and am a BJ bar connoisseur. I suspect the girls somehow sense that you're a racist misanthrope and gave the appropriate level of service you deserve.

[QUOTE=Wolf Hound; 1275104]What is with the cry of troll when someone posts a negative review of an establishment? I am in Thailand over 4 months of the year through business or pleasure and feel entitled to share my experiences with the board.

I was not impressed with Dr BJ and I just thought I would share my experience. For the keyboard warriors to wet their knickers because someone posts a bit of reality defeats the purpose of having an open forum in the first place!

Best places visited on my last trip.

Baccara.

Tilac.

Annies.

The Bank.

Rainbow 4.

Worst place visited.

Dr BJ[/QUOTE]

This forum is always entertaining.

i should really elaborate.

i've been a frequenter of bliss lounge, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and sol and overall i've had the best service at dr bj's. forprice of an hour of surfing the internet at work i can get a deep throat bbbj, rim job and give one of the ladies there a good face-fucking for at least 30 minutes. i can't get a street walker to spit on me for the same cash where i'm living now.

i don't mind reviews which are negative and feel they serve a valuable service to this esteemed community by warning us but they should actually be based on 'reality' and be backed up by an account of why the experience was bad in the first place. wolf hound's reports clearly do not fit into this category.

indeed they are so lacking in both merit and detail that i suspect that he has not even visited the establishment in question. even if he did his 'bit of reality' is at such odds to my three sojourns that i would venture to say there is something about him personally that the girls he took felt strongly enough about him to give him shite service.

for someone who has two of his posts edited for threatening other forum members he should have his membership terminated and ip address registered to prevent further posting. the world already has enough fuckwits that we have to endure so why enable another one.

[QUOTE=Western787;1275346]What did you like about The Bank? I understand it to be a smaller G club, but mostly a karoke club geared toward Japanese or other east asians, with apparently american ownership though.[/QUOTE]I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, the Bank no longer exists. It's now called The Pimp and at a different location.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1275342]I did a google search and searched this forum, but came up empty handed. Is there any massage place / red light area, or street action near the On Nut BTS area? Tons of hot girls walking around here, obviously most of them are "good girls", so to speak.[/QUOTE]Many of the bargirls and MP girls live in On Nut district so you could make private arrangements.

I don't believe there are any Farang oriented places.

BTS train from On Nut to Thonglor is how many stops? I think its only 3 so what is your problem? You would waste merely 15 mins to get there for your booking in a Thonglor MP. Could even catch a motorcycle if in a severe hurry.

I live part time not that far from On Nut, but I don't see any reason to try to monger right there.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1275419]I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, the Bank no longer exists. It's now called The Pimp and at a different location.[/QUOTE]You're right because I believe they were looking to create a larger club to compete against the other G clubs, and yes that would be The Pimp. The american owner has said he's.

The only Farang G club owner in town, or maybe even the only non Thai G club owner in town.

[QUOTE=Wolf Hound;1275104]What is with the cry of troll when someone posts a negative review of an establishment? I am in Thailand over 4 months of the year through business or pleasure and feel entitled to share my experiences with the board.[/QUOTE]Overly negative reports are not well received in general. Very fair reports are better received. Stick to reporting mainly your positive experiences is a good idea.

If you don't like a place, fine, you say you don't like it, and give reasons, just like I have said previously that I didn't like Eden due to over-acting by the girls, and lack of any chance to spend time choosing the right girl, and lack of stunners, among others things. However I can appreciate that others may love the place. So there is not point going too far with the negativity.

As I have only ever been with girls at Eden once, and they were okay for me, I can't really claim to be an expert on the place.

Just trying to give good advice to all posters. There is a "Places to Avoid" thread, if you really want to say how a place "sucks big-time".

IMHO, the forum should be mainly for the purpose of introducing places and girls that could give a great time for the right type of customer. The style should be described so those who look for something else will know its not right for them.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUDOguaj934[/url]

This is The Pimp here and the girls are hot, but I know he brings in the Penthouse models now and then, so it may not be representative.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1275425]You're right because I believe they were looking to create a larger club to compete against the other G clubs, and yes that would be The Pimp. The american owner has said he's.

The only Farang G club owner in town, or maybe even the only non Thai G club owner in town.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the falang owner. The dude who kinda looks like Jared from Subway Sandwiches?

[QUOTE=Harold444;1275480]Something smells when the majority of review are bad and THen you comme on with a glowing one. You may be the exception to the rule![/QUOTE]The sample size of reviews here seems quite small, so not enough to be of significance in making a judgement one way or the other, taking into consideration the fact that customers have different tastes, moods, standards, criteria for evaluating, and with sex providers YMMV from one session to the next, even with the same client, depending on her feelings of the moment, 'time of the month', etc. So it's hard to make valid claims about a business as a whole from one session with one lady or even a handful of reports of the same.

Perhaps if one read all the reviews at the various forums Aey and Dr BJ claim to post on, and other sites that comment on the business, like 100 in all, a more objective evaluation could be attained. From the few here it could be that this is just a tough and negative crowd who like to complain. For all we know, the vast majority of BJ customers may very well be happy campers.

I don't mean to Hijack but I have posted this in the Hotels Section also: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1029-Bangkok-Hotels&p=1275638&viewfull=1#post1275638[/url]

Ok, so a friend of mine asked me if I knew of some hotels that would accept him Staying there for 5 or 6 hours or Overnight without being too "Demanding" in terms of I'd. (No passport, no Credit card.)

I know of Hotel999 in Ekkamai but it's a dump. This guy is looking for a hotel in the 1500 2000 Range.

I think this would be Very interesting to compile a list of "Discreet Hotels" and some Forum members can also benefit?

Nic,

Interesting hotel name. Reminds me that the late Sino-Shan drug lord Khun Sa's brand of heroin was 999.

Another hotel, a seedy short-time joint with no telephone near the Phya Thai skytrain station (some years ago) was the 99. I don't recommend it.

[QUOTE=Kaintuck; 1275653]Nic,

Interesting hotel name. Reminds me that the late Sino-Shan drug lord Khun Sa's brand of heroin was 999.

Another hotel, a seedy short-time joint with no telephone near the Phya Thai skytrain station (some years ago) was the 99. I don't recommend it.[/QUOTE]This is the place. They rent rooms at like 300 thb for a couple hours. .

Tong Kao Hotel 999. BTS Ekamai.

70/1 Soi 63, Sukhumvit Road, Watthana, Bangkok. 10110.

Tel:023 911 783

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1275639]I don't mean to Hijack but I have posted this in the Hotels Section also:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1029-Bangkok-Hotels&p=1275638&viewfull=1#post1275638[/url]

Ok, so a friend of mine asked me if I knew of some hotels that would accept him Staying there for 5 or 6 hours or Overnight without being too "Demanding" in terms of I'd. (No passport, no Credit card.)

I know of Hotel999 in Ekkamai but it's a dump. This guy is looking for a hotel in the 1500 2000 Range.

I think this would be Very interesting to compile a list of "Discreet Hotels" and some Forum members can also benefit?[/QUOTE]

Decent short time hotels are surprisingly hard to find.

I only know of a few really dumpy ones near nightlife areas (Nana, Saphan Kwai).

Most other places want to charge the overnight rate and want a passport.

Would like to hear of some more.

Decided to go discovering new territories unspoiled and dangerous, yes because Thai girls from BKK, I mean the regular one are so cute, I get easily in love.

Route66 it's a disco full of students and a few young foreigner, probably living there. 100% professionals free.

Girls inside are from 18 to 30 most on the 20-25 range the level is very high, cute, very elegant and sexy dressed with mini or shorts, long perfect white skinned legs, heels, this is the second place in BKK where I could get lost if I was younger (Siam daytime).

If you have long time to invest and looking for a regular girlfriend this is the place to go, also the next disco close to it is very interesting, you could check both in the same night.

Went out while closing, probably at about 3, very sad. Walking in the dark road like an old cat. When I saw another disco still open, no money to enter so let's give it a try!

I realized that it's a disco for gay men, no tv or lb, real young gay men, some of the approached me since I was the only not Asian, but it's not my taste, I was more sad than before, when suddenly walking I saw a cute girl smiling and saying hi, I sit with her and with her friends, all of the gay, all very friendly, she offered me a drink, and it was the same always, I could never pay, she was so kind, friendly and cute, the night changed for the old cat!

She paid for everybody! All night!

I started to touch and kiss her and she was happy English was poor but we could talk a little, she told she was a dancer *at st. Moritz club, do you know it guys? Never heard.

I invited her to spend the night with me but she said vary politely now, so after some more kissing drinking and dancing left for my hotel, it was getting sunrise, but I*was happy I met her.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1275333]Harold444, you're an ass and everyone knows that, you make useless comments most of the time and everyone knows that, you're maybe right sometimes but this is a little over the top.

I am not ok with you using the word "Negro" in this forum. Not because of the word, I have heard it said many times and all was fine, but I KNOW that in your case it is meant as an insult towards a certain race.

As far as I know, people don't choose their parents, ethnic backgrounds and place of birth. Skin color should'nt matter more than eye color if you ask me.

I hope Jackson reacts to this and sends you back to BKK2nite. Oh no wait, you've been banned over there too.[/QUOTE]Amen to this.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1275478]My eyes never deceive me, at least not from 5 feet away, as oppopsed to fushbowls where a girl at distance girls looks like a 9 and up close a 6. LOL.

I've never seen a colored girl who is a stunner, not even close![/QUOTE]Matter of tastes. Attitude is something, stunning body is something else.

And there are a few in Sukhumvit that have a great slim body with proper curves. Even the thai girl I was with was admiring them. (and she is defientely not a bi)

There are also quite some strong bodies who are not my taste, but certainly of others as they are on hte market.

Each one his own

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1275422]Many of the bargirls and MP girls live in On Nut district so you could make private arrangements.

I don't believe there are any Farang oriented places.

BTS train from On Nut to Thonglor is how many stops? I think its only 3 SO WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? (my caps) You would waste merely 15 mins to get there for your booking in a Thonglor MP. Could even catch a motorcycle if in a severe hurry.

I live part time not that far from On Nut, but I don't see any reason to try to monger right there.[/QUOTE]LOL. His PROBLEM is that he WANTS them! It's not like there is some sort of boundary to where we chase pussy!

GO Tony GO!

[QUOTE=Wolf Hound; 1275104]What is with the cry of troll when someone posts a negative review of an establishment? I am in Thailand over 4 months of the year through business or pleasure and feel entitled to share my experiences with the board.

I was not impressed with Dr BJ and I just thought I would share my experience. For the keyboard warriors to wet their knickers because someone posts a bit of reality defeats the purpose of having an open forum in the first place!

Snip[/QUOTE]FWIW. I thought it was a valid report. Something that seems to be not as common as the sniping activity these days. Just keep doing what you're doing and let the whiners whine. God knows they will no matter what you write.

And for those paying attention, not the first time that biz had less than rave reviews.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai; 1275790]LOL. His PROBLEM is that he WANTS them! It's not like there is some sort of boundary to where we chase pussy!

GO Tony GO![/QUOTE]Hmmm. I just thought there were places off the beaten track around the On Nut area, its good to find new places. I'm happy I Inspire you pal!

[QUOTE=Latin; 1275738]Decided to go discovering new territories unspoiled and dangerous, yes because Thai girls from BKK, I mean the regular one are so cute, I get easily in love.

Route66 it's a disco full of students and a few young foreigner, probably living there. 100% professionals free.

Girls inside are from 18 to 30 most on the 20-25 range the level is very high, cute, very elegant and sexy dressed with mini or shorts, long perfect white skinned legs, heels, this is the second place in BKK where I could get lost if I was younger (Siam daytime).

If you have long time to invest and looking for a regular girlfriend this is the place to go, also the next disco close to it is very interesting, you could check both in the same night.

Went out while closing, probably at about 3, very sad. Walking in the dark road like an old cat. When I saw another disco still open, no money to enter so let's give it a try!

I realized that it's a disco for gay men, no tv or lb, real young gay men, some of the approached me since I was the only not Asian, but it's not my taste, I was more sad than before, when suddenly walking I saw a cute girl smiling and saying hi, I sit with her and with her friends, all of the gay, all very friendly, she offered me a drink, and it was the same always, I could never pay, she was so kind, friendly and cute, the night changed for the old cat!

She paid for everybody! All night!

I started to touch and kiss her and she was happy English was poor but we could talk a little, she told she was a dancer *at st. Moritz club, do you know it guys? Never heard.

I invited her to spend the night with me but she said vary politely now, so after some more kissing drinking and dancing left for my hotel, it was getting sunrise, but I*was happy I met her.[/QUOTE]No reason to be sad to walk away empty handed from RCA / Route 66. It's not the easiest venue to pull girls from. Seems like you salvaged your night with decent fun though. Did you get the girl's number? FWIW, St Moritz is a G-club near Suk 13. Maybe its on 11 I'm not sure.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1275797]St Moritz is a G-club near Suk 13. Maybe its on 11 I'm not sure.[/QUOTE]St Moritz is on Suk Soi 11. Across from Le Fenix Hotel. Not for "cheap charlies!"

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1275313]Ask her how she got in the business and why. And how is La Belle as a working environment (are they nice to her, is she getting pressured, etc).[/QUOTE]She had worked as a receptionist at Emanuel and saw how much the girls are making so she moved to La Belle as a WG to make more money and help her family. She said the environment is nice and not much pressure.

[QUOTE=Samata61;1275877]She said the environment is nice and not much pressure.[/QUOTE]That's what my girl says too and I've seen proof of it. She only goes to work when she wants too, takes weeks off whenever she feels like it.

It looks like the go-gos are stricter than the massage parlors.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1275835]St Moritz is on Suk Soi 11. Across from Le Fenix Hotel. Not for "cheap charlies!"[/QUOTE]Here is a rare glimpse of the financial inner workings of G clubs, as described by owner "Peter" in regard to his former The Bank Club operation several years back, as someone mentions supposedly looks like the Subway ad guy, LOL.

[url]http://bangkok.baronbonk.com/Bank_g_club_with_plenty_of_gogo.shtml[/url]

[QUOTE=Western787; 1275922]Here is a rare glimpse of the financial inner workings of G clubs, as described by owner "Peter" in regard to his former The Bank Club operation several years back, as someone mentions supposedly looks like the Subway ad guy, LOL.

[url]http://bangkok.baronbonk.com/Bank_g_club_with_plenty_of_gogo.shtml[/url][/QUOTE]This guy is smart, he went for Asians as his main Clientele, not dodgy-ass Complaining Farangs. Thais with money can easily spend 30 40k on themselves and Friends (showing-off the wealth) when in the company of Booze and Pussy.

Great Business Model. Not my scene though.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1275938]I think part of the allure of thai hookers is that they WANT to be hookers (not all but enuff of them to make a difference). God bless them.[/QUOTE]There is some truth to this. Just walk into Tesco Lotus and you'll see all the long, expressionless faces working the cash registers: no greetings, no goodbyes, no nuttin! The other day I purchased a donut from their bakery, and she asked how much, I said 10 baht, she had someone else go run a price check, and it took about 10 minutes to get the price for a 10 baht donut. In waiting, I commented to the gal that the other worker must have eaten the donut lol.. You can tell they hate working there.

At least in p4p venues, I'm always approached by a smiling and friendly face. Most of the time anyways.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1276091](snip) At least in p4p venues, I'm always approached by a smiling and friendly face. Most of the time anyways.[/QUOTE]Hah, that's because they think they might get your "big" money.

I know a lot of Thai P4P women, and I've never heard one tell me they "like" their work.

They all like money, plain and simple. A lot of them like free drinks as they are often alcoholics. A few of them like sex.

Fewer actually "like" foreigners beyond their wallets. Most of the ones that do like foreigners have their eyes on the "long game" (as a friend of mine says).

In terms of general attitudes in stores and out in public, I think the Bangkok "hot season" starts to wear "normal" Thai people down. I see this in people's faces, especially after Songkran. They get to party and have fun for a week, then it's back to the same old slog. Come to think of it, I know of very few places in the world where people working in supermarkets smile happily.

The rains, and cooler weather, generally don't start until late May. Then people will complain about the rain!

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1276113]Fewer actually "like" foreigners beyond their wallets. Most of the ones that do like foreigners have their eyes on the "long game" (as a friend of mine says).[/QUOTE]Are you trying to tell me that nearly all Thais with a Farang husband and mixed kids are just after the money? Sure it happens, but aren't you maybe guilty of exaggerating the generalisation. I have met a substantial number of Thai women who claim to well and trully done with Thai men forever. Are they all lying? Maybe they will all end up as lesbians or nuns.

Maybe all women are just after money. What else would they want a guy for?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1276016]This guy is smart, he went for Asians as his main Clientele, not dodgy-ass Complaining Farangs. Thais with money can easily spend 30 40k on themselves and Friends (showing-off the wealth) when in the company of Booze and Pussy.

Great Business Model. Not my scene though.[/QUOTE]Not my scene either, but I concur, he is very smart. Regular PT Barnum."There is a sucker born every minute." This guy has identified them and is making a mint!

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1275880]That's what my girl says too and I've seen proof of it. She only goes to work when she wants too, takes weeks off whenever she feels like it.

It looks like the go-gos are stricter than the massage parlors.[/QUOTE]Yes the rules in some gogos and MPs are very strict, otherwise would be totally out of control. In the upper class soapies, girls have more freedom and often no pimps. Gogos do have free-lancer girl though who get no salary, and only turn up to work when they feel like it, for example when when the generous guys are around, or even when they are horny and know a customer is available who will service them skillfully ;)

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1276156]Not my scene either, but I concur, he is very smart. Regular PT Barnum."There is a sucker born every minute." This guy has identified them and is making a mint![/QUOTE]Despite the high prices, I think the margins are thinner than you might believe, and part of the problem is constantly having top girls skimmed off to become mistresses for wealthy clients. Interesting what he says about a visiting Penthouse model turning down 10k but accepting a 20k take out offer. There are actually two different interviews so I will now add the second one also.

[url]http://absolutelybangkok.com/the-bank-nightclub-unplugged/[/url]

Thanks for the interviews Western, nice reading.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1276156]Not my scene either, but I concur, he is very smart. Regular PT Barnum."There is a sucker born every minute." This guy has identified them and is making a mint![/QUOTE]Well, I am pretty sure the guys that go there aren't being "suckered" at all. I suspect they all know the "rules of engagement". Just because it doesn't register on your "fun meter" doesn't make it less so for those that enjoy that type of fun.

I would counter with,"One man's trash is another man's treasure".

Went to Suzie Wong last night and barfined a 20 year old (600 bf). Agreed on 1500 thb short time. Came back at the hotel at around 0. 30 am. Had sex 2 times or actually 3, because the 1st time I could not finish after having many beers already but then sobered up a little. After that she fell asleep and left at noon the next day.

Drinks at SW cost 150, which is a bit on the high side IMO. At Nana plaza I drinked 90 baht beers, not bad. Mercury had no good quality at 10-11 pm (too late already?) and Spankys had a few good ones but I did not want to call it a night yet. Overall NEP was disapponting experience (maybe did not find the right bars). I checked Rainbow 4 but I don't generally like these big bikini bar full of people, I like smaller with better atmosphere and more room and also prefer a lot totally nude dance and show (I want to see pussy, don't we all?) and better to see the whole package before deciding.

Any better advice on bars and girls beyond Nana and Cowboy? At NEP Went to only those mentioned bars. Cowboy went to Suzie, Shebas and no good quality in the least mentioned (ant not nude).

Heading to Pattaya on Saturday for a week, pm if anyone there and maybe could see for a beer.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1276152]Maybe all women are just after money. What else would they want a guy for?[/QUOTE]I agreeeeeeeeeeee

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1276113]The rains, and cooler weather, generally don't start until late May. Then people will complain about the rain![/QUOTE]We were missing your pictures, FonTok. Few weeks ago I was in BKK and spent sometime at Paragon and seeing all those high heel and miniskirt girls (absolutely girls next doors, not p4p as we know) walking around reminded me of your great photography. Whilst you provide great shots and views, I do not think you are sweating much in the hunt. The targets are massive!

Bangkok is full of surprises. I am a club guy and love to do clubbing on weekend and my favorite places are Q bar and Mixx. I have learn few things. If you dressed good and good to girls its easy to get laid for free. Thai girls like guys who are dressed for the occasion and who treat them good.

Now here is the surprise part. As usual this weekend I was at Q bar drinking and enjoy the atmosphere. I was not in a mood to pick some 1 because I want to move to MIXX after 3 when Q bar closes. At 3 when bar closes I was coming out suddenly one good looking girl grabbed my hand from behind and told me that I am going with her. I questioned her back why should I go with her? She start laughing and told that she is not a working girl and she is rich that why I should go with her. While we were talking we walked out if the bar. Just outside the gate of the Qbar a black SUV was standing she just opened the door and told me to sit. I was bit surprised and scared also but thought of giving it a try. She drove me to her house. Yes she live in a beautiful house not condo. Once in her house you know what happen. I was there till 1 in after noon had a great fun. No money, no language problem, no love affair. Its pure fun and adventure

Later I come to know she is real estate agent and her family is very rich. One thing is for sure Bangkok is full of surprises.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1276152]Are you trying to tell me that nearly all Thais with a Farang husband and mixed kids are just after the money? Sure it happens, but aren't you maybe guilty of exaggerating the generalisation. I have met a substantial number of Thai women who claim to well and trully done with Thai men forever. Are they all lying? Maybe they will all end up as lesbians or nuns. Maybe all women are just after money. What else would they want a guy for?[/QUOTE]Syzygies, regarding your questions:

My previous comment (an opinion) was specifically for seasoned P4P women and, no, I don't think it's an exaggeration. Of course, "new" girls are less jaded with meeting foreign men and subsequent personal interaction.

Not all Thai women who marry farang men come from the P4P world. IMO, "good" Thai women make much better partners and wives than P4P Thai women. I've been in relationships with both "good" and "bad" Thai women, and the good ones were much less apt to lie, cheat and steal.

In terms of Thai women disliking Thai men, many Thai women don't even like having boy babies! They much prefer to give birth to girls. And, there are a lot more "tom & dee" couples than most people realize.

If you understand Thai culture, the ability of a man to "take care" of a women (i .e., money) is one of the primary concerns of a Thai woman (and her family) considering marriage, no matter what her life experience is. Even the few farang guys that I know who have "hiso" partners or wives, pay up!

Money may buy "love," but love doesn't buy gold!

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1276225]We were missing your pictures, FonTok. Few weeks ago I was in BKK and spent sometime at Paragon and seeing all those high heel and miniskirt girls (absolutely girls next doors, not p4p as we know) walking around reminded me of your great photography. Whilst you provide great shots and views, I do not think you are sweating much in the hunt. The targets are massive![/QUOTE]Good photography is much more dependent on light than the number of "targets." This time of year is tricky as the light is very "hard," either too bright, or lots of shadows.

The Siam Paragon plaza is especially tricky as the surface and buildings reflect a lot of light. Photos can easily get "washed out." The best time is weekends between about 5:15 & 6pm. I was there this past Saturday and did get a lot of good shots (but only one "away" shot).

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1276265]My previous comment was specifically for P4P women and I don't think it's an exaggeration.
[/QUOTE]Fine for very seasoned P4P girls, I tend to agree. Didn't notice you were that specific originally.[QUOTE]
Not all Thai women who marry farang men come from the P4P world."Good" Thai women make much better partners and wives than P4P Thai women.[/QUOTE]Yes, not all. However I think the percentage of Farang Thai marriages involving P4P girls will be quite high, especially with large age gaps, present.

When I look at the Farangs with Thai wives overseas, a fair percentage of these girls look like probable ex-P4P possibilities.

Some of these girls are real shockers! I know that some ex-P4P girls are capable of having good character though, specially if they were only ever in it for a short time. So I judge only on how the girls behave, rather than their possible history.

Not all "Good" Thai girls make good wives, but certainly some do. I have met the full spectrum of characters in the non-P4P arena from really nice girls to somewhat Psycho types.

Guys into P4P, like us, may not make the best husbands either.

One really good Thai girl I know very well, but not so hot sexually, has finished with 3 husbands / BFs, one Thai and two Farang, and had same problem with all of the husbands, in that they played up. Yes I was one of them, but remain close friends with the girl. Was only the sex part where we weren't compatible.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1276152]Are you trying to tell me that nearly all Thais with a Farang husband and mixed kids are just after the money? Sure it happens, but aren't you maybe guilty of exaggerating the generalisation. I have met a substantial number of Thai women who claim to well and trully done with Thai men forever. Are they all lying?[/QUOTE]I doubt if all the girls are lying. Maybe it's the foreign guys who are lying. From reading these treads I see that many guys complain about the women where they are from and have written them off as well (myself included).[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1276265]And, there are a lot more "tom & dee" couples than most people realize.[/QUOTE]In my building alone I have lost count of these types of couples. It is so far gone that every time I see a woman alone I figure she either lives with another girl there or is going to see one.

[QUOTE=Fun Filled; 1276242]Bangkok is full of surprises. I am a club guy and love to do clubbing on weekend and my favorite places are Q bar and Mixx. I have learn few things. If you dressed good and good to girls its easy to get laid for free. Thai girls like guys who are dressed for the occasion and who treat them good.

Now here is the surprise part. As usual this weekend I was at Q bar drinking and enjoy the atmosphere. I was not in a mood to pick some 1 because I want to move to MIXX after 3 when Q bar closes. At 3 when bar closes I was coming out suddenly one good looking girl grabbed my hand from behind and told me that I am going with her. I questioned her back why should I go with her? She start laughing and told that she is not a working girl and she is rich that why I should go with her. While we were talking we walked out if the bar. Just outside the gate of the Qbar a black SUV was standing she just opened the door and told me to sit. I was bit surprised and scared also but thought of giving it a try. She drove me to her house. Yes she live in a beautiful house not condo. Once in her house you know what happen. I was there till 1 in after noon had a great fun. No money, no language problem, no love affair. Its pure fun and adventure

Later I come to know she is real estate agent and her family is very rich. One thing is for sure Bangkok is full of surprises.[/QUOTE]Indeed. Ignore the comment from the troll who does not believe your report. I suspect most do.

Anyone who looks reasonably respectable and goes out will probably have had a few experiences similar to you.

E. G, last weekend I went to the local after hours disco (I'm not in Bangkok, so there are not so many of them here) , had a bit of fun by myself for an hour or so. Finding a girl that will go with you for free here is mostly a waste of time since the girls here are 99% working women (down to perhaps 95% on the weekends) , but I still enjoy to spend an hour or two here occasionally.

Anyway, last weekend as I was about to leave, I noticed a girl sitting by herself next the wall. We locked eyes for a few seconds, and I see her reaction is neither positive nor negative. Three second rule applies and I sit down on a chair next to her, hi, blalbla. Half an hour later, after telling her I don't pay for services rendered, I walk out with what later (we've meet a couple of times since) turned out to be a 19yo uni student with (relatively) great English, and also the only women below 25 in the place, not to mention the prettiest.

Strangely enough she swallowed the first time (perhaps because she was quite drunk?) , but not the third time. Will see if there will be a fourth time.

As you say, if you dress relatively good (in the above after hours club, it means being one of the few guys with pants on and without an enormous gut) and are used to picking up women in the west (I. E, be charming) , you can have a lot of success here. Of course, the two times before that I went to the same club, I went home alone. Sometimes you're at the right place at the right time.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1276317]You falling back on old habbits. Frontals man![/QUOTE]Here's some frontals of some hot gals during songkran.

[QUOTE=Werqweq; 1276496]Indeed. Ignore the comment from the troll who does not believe your report. I suspect most do.

Anyone who looks reasonably respectable and goes out will probably have had a few experiences similar to you.[/QUOTE]The report is entirely plausible. Similar to going to the NPL & picking up the cutest little SYT you'll ever see, wearing a school girl uniform, for 1000 ST, which is what you might pay for expenses on an evening out to a club, gogos or bars.

One more. Somewhere near Pantip plaza.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1276317]You falling back on old habbits. Frontals man![/QUOTE]Sorry, Harold.

From me, only anonymous Bangkok "street" rear views for ISG (with an occasional rare exception).

You are welcome to post your TH photos anytime, though. ;)

ok guys; tentative plans are set after researching the board. trying to cover all the bases for upcoming trip mid-may:

bj bar at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url].

gogo at baccara.

2 girl experience at eden.

mid-level soapy at mango.

upscale experience at copacabana.

dance club at qbar.

throw in some authentic kickboxing at lumpini and street food, and i hope we've got a well-rounded trip. anything that i might have mis-researched, or is missing?

thank you brothers.

[QUOTE=Fun Filled; 1276242]Bangkok is full of surprises. I am a club guy and love to do clubbing on weekend and my favorite places are Q bar and Mixx. I have learn few things. If you dressed good and good to girls its easy to get laid for free. Thai girls like guys who are dressed for the occasion and who treat them good.

Now here is the surprise part. As usual this weekend I was at Q bar drinking and enjoy the atmosphere. I was not in a mood to pick some 1 because I want to move to MIXX after 3 when Q bar closes. At 3 when bar closes I was coming out suddenly one good looking girl grabbed my hand from behind and told me that I am going with her. I questioned her back why should I go with her? She start laughing and told that she is not a working girl and she is rich that why I should go with her. While we were talking we walked out if the bar. Just outside the gate of the Qbar a black SUV was standing she just opened the door and told me to sit. I was bit surprised and scared also but thought of giving it a try. She drove me to her house. Yes she live in a beautiful house not condo. Once in her house you know what happen. I was there till 1 in after noon had a great fun. No money, no language problem, no love affair. Its pure fun and adventure

Later I come to know she is real estate agent and her family is very rich. One thing is for sure Bangkok is full of surprises.[/QUOTE]Good for you! Lucky you.

Can I ask your age and the ladies ages?

In my previous experience, yes this also happens to me, but all the times girls wanted to go to my place / apartment.

I always found that the day after I had to compensate the girl (not by paying her money but with gift while visiting a shopping mall).

My age is 50+ and the girls where around 30/35.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1276591]Sorry, Harold.

From me, only anonymous Bangkok "street" rear views for ISG (with an occasional rare exception).

You are welcome to post your TH photos anytime, though. .[/QUOTE]I suggest its got nothing to do with being anonymous on ISG, I suggest its all about the fact, you are taking the pics without permission or knowledge of the girls. Bit weird or creepy when its just about all we get, time and again. I try to imagine you doing it all the time, end result, weird, LOL. Taken without permission or knowledge thats the reason. Where's my pics? Yeh, prefer 'anonymous' than posting that stuff, LOL. Main thing is you like it, but not me. Doesn't upset me, just weird!

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1275797]No reason to be sad to walk away empty handed from RCA / Route 66. It's not the easiest venue to pull girls from. Seems like you salvaged your night with decent fun though. Did you get the girl's number? FWIW, St Moritz is a G-club near Suk 13. Maybe its on 11 I'm not sure.[/QUOTE]Yes I have her number and called her but her English is not so good so it's rather difficult.

What is a g-club?

[QUOTE=Fun Filled;1276242]Bangkok is full of surprises. I am a club guy and love to do clubbing on weekend and my favorite places are Q bar and Mixx. I have learn few things. If you dressed good and good to girls its easy to get laid for free.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing you go for older women?

[QUOTE=Latin;1276902]What is a g-club?[/QUOTE]Gentlemen club

[QUOTE=Latin;1276902]Yes I have her number and called her but her English is not so good so it's rather difficult.[/QUOTE]Try sms-ing her instead of calling. Many of the somewhat educated women will understand written English considerably better than oral, so I often find it easier to arrange a meeting through a couple of sms' rather than through speaking. If you've ever spoken to some of the Thai-born English teachers here, it will be easy for you to understand why that might be the case.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1276322]If I were a thai babe with lots of $s I surely wouldn't go trolling for strangers. ESPECIALLY WHITE MEAT! Just makes no cents.

Sorry, I just don't believe this fella![/QUOTE]Totally agree. Not sure of the motivation behind the story but after nearly 9 years living here I can guarantee this is not true.

GUARANTEE. No matter how good looking, no matter how suave. This is completely counter to everything a Thai girl like you describe would do.

Absolutely this story is fabricated.

[QUOTE=Fun Filled; 1276242]Bangkok is full of surprises. I am a club guy and love to do clubbing on weekend and my favorite places are Q bar and Mixx. I have learn few things. If you dressed good and good to girls its easy to get laid for free. Thai girls like guys who are dressed for the occasion and who treat them good.

Now here is the surprise part. As usual this weekend I was at Q bar drinking and enjoy the atmosphere. I was not in a mood to pick some 1 because I want to move to MIXX after 3 when Q bar closes. At 3 when bar closes I was coming out suddenly one good looking girl grabbed my hand from behind and told me that I am going with her. I questioned her back why should I go with her? She start laughing and told that she is not a working girl and she is rich that why I should go with her. While we were talking we walked out if the bar. Just outside the gate of the Qbar a black SUV was standing she just opened the door and told me to sit. I was bit surprised and scared also but thought of giving it a try. She drove me to her house. Yes she live in a beautiful house not condo. Once in her house you know what happen. I was there till 1 in after noon had a great fun. No money, no language problem, no love affair. Its pure fun and adventure

Later I come to know she is real estate agent and her family is very rich. One thing is for sure Bangkok is full of surprises.[/QUOTE]A wealthy Thai woman would NEVER take a stranger back to her home. Thais are incredibly conservative (or least need to give that outward perception) especially the wealthy ones.

The likelihood of such a woman who doesn't speak good English being at Q Bar is also extremely remote.

Not sure of the motivation for the story but maybe better saved for "readers wives".

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1276973]A wealthy Thai woman would NEVER take a stranger back to her home. Thais are incredibly conservative (or least need to give that outward perception) especially the wealthy ones.

The likelihood of such a woman who doesn't speak good English being at Q Bar is also extremely remote.

Not sure of the motivation for the story but maybe better saved for "readers wives".[/QUOTE]I would also rather have not gone with the girl in her car! Knowing Thailand, I prefer to have my own set of rules. It is a risky scenario when a girl drags you so late at night and pulls you away to some place with people waiting for you to show up to be mugged or god knows what! Probably he was lucky and the rich girl fell for him for reasons best known to her. But personally being in his place I would have taken a CAB and asked her follow to my place for the real deal!

I don't know, a Thai girl told me a friend of hers, a Falang, picked up a MILF type at a high end club, apparently she was hiso and had a senior position as a banker. Anyways, this dude shagged her so good that in the morning, she gave him a 20,000 baht tip. I told her baloney, but she believed the story LOL

maybe the chick in the SUV wasn't wealthy but upper/middle class type with a rich ex BF or husband.. I don't think Thai elite like Yingluck would cruise to the Qbar and pick up a random sex tourist lol

[QUOTE=Werqweq;1276908]Try sms-ing her instead of calling. Many of the somewhat educated women will understand written English considerably better than oral, so I often find it easier to arrange a meeting through a couple of sms' rather than through speaking. If you've ever spoken to some of the Thai-born English teachers here, it will be easy for you to understand why that might be the case.[/QUOTE]Good idea thanks for the tip!

I'll try next days, I'm really curious to see her in the day, maybe I overrated her, there's no reason for such a cute and rich girl to flirt with me in a disco, I'm not young and I didn't show up with a Ferrari.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1276972]GUARANTEE. No matter how good looking, no matter how suave. This is completely counter to everything a Thai girl like you describe would do.

Absolutely this story is fabricated.[/QUOTE]Come on. Like there isn't some hiso girls with some money out there who like to have fun? There are.

[QUOTE=Horny Landoora;1276980]I would also rather have not gone with the girl in her car! Knowing Thailand, I prefer to have my own set of rules. It is a risky scenario when a girl drags you so late at night and pulls you away to some place with people waiting for you to show up to be mugged or god knows what! Probably he was lucky and the rich girl fell for him for reasons best known to her. But personally being in his place I would have taken a CAB and asked her follow to my place for the real deal![/QUOTE]I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about it because it ain't going to happen.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1277011]Come on. Like there isn't some hiso girls with some money out there who like to have fun? There are.[/QUOTE]Yes absolutely. You are correct.

But take someone to their home? No

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1276987]I don't know, a Thai girl told me a friend of hers, a Falang, picked up a MILF type at a high end club, apparently she was hiso and had a senior position as a banker. Anyways, this dude shagged her so good that in the morning, she gave him a 20, 000 baht tip. I told her baloney, but she believed the story LOL.

Utter tosh.

Maybe the chick in the SUV wasn't wealthy but upper / middle class type with a rich ex BF or husband. I don't think Thai elite like Yingluck would cruise to the Qbar and pick up a random sex tourist LOL[/QUOTE]Either way they wouldn't be taking anyone to their home.

In any big city, you have tens of "rich chicks" who rebel against their daddies and society and do crazy shit in their twenties. Just because most girls in that social class wouldn't it, doesn't mean it's impossible.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1277037]In any big city, you have tens of "rich chicks" who rebel against their daddies and society and do crazy shit in their twenties. Just because most girls in that social class wouldn't it, doesn't mean it's impossible.[/QUOTE]You are right but I'll say it again. They wouldn't take them to their home. Whether rich kid or self made woman.

Seriously, ask yourself how many times you have been into a Thai girls home that you are dating?

There are still A LOT of Thais (particularly the older generation) that assume any Thai girl with a Farang is a hooker. If nothing else then Thais know how to be discreet and where to draw the line hence the short time hotels all over town.

If he said short time hotel then yes I would definitely believe the story.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1276815]I suggest its got nothing to do with being anonymous on ISG, I suggest its all about the fact, you are taking the pics without permission or knowledge of the girls. Bit weird or creepy when its just about all we get, time and again. I try to imagine you doing it all the time, end result, weird, LOL. Taken without permission or knowledge thats the reason. Where's my pics? Yeh, prefer 'anonymous' than posting that stuff, LOL. Main thing is you like it, but not me. Doesn't upset me, just weird![/QUOTE]I take thousands of pictures every month of many different things I see. Pretty ladies walking by are just part of life in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1277084]I take thousands of pictures every month of many different things I see. Pretty ladies walking by are just part of life in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Taking photos of random girls on the street and posting them on a p4p forum is pretty creepy.

Not to mention could have negative consequences for the girls if people they know found out their photo was posted here.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner; 1277123]Taking photos of random girls on the street and posting them on a p4p forum is pretty creepy.

Not to mention could have negative consequences for the girls if people they know found out their photo was posted here.[/QUOTE]OK, you're right. I've seen the light and that's it then for ISG.

Thanks to many of you for your interest and support the past few years. Happy mongering in Thailand.

And, one last shot of GentleBoner trolling Lower Sukhumvit.

at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s beers have gone up from 105 to 150 and blowjobs from 700 to 800. i asked my favorite lady there about it and she explained that the place had a high overhead and the landlord's prices just keep rising. according to her, the rent is currently 50, 000 and electricity 30, 000. i can believe the rent, but for electricity that sounds a bit exaggerated. even with ac and lights going 18 hours a day how could it be that high unless the landlord is charging some insanely high electricity rate?

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s isn't paying the girls any more than they did before, btw. they still get what they always did. i asked about it a long time ago and seem to recall the girls got 300 or 400 baht from it.

a 100 baht increase for the bj doesn't doesn't bother me much, but charging 150 baht for a bottle of beer is a bit much for at a place like this. i'll still remain a customer at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, but will stick to drinking elsewhere.

tip: visit during shift change at about 4pm if you want the biggest selection. you get to see the day crew and the night crew.

[quote=bartchamdo; 1277134]at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s beers have gone up from 105 to 150 and blowjobs from 700 to 800. i asked my favorite lady there about it and she explained that the place had a high overhead and the landlord's prices just keep rising. according to her, the rent is currently 50, 000 and electricity 30, 000. i can believe the rent, but for electricity that sounds a bit exaggerated. even with ac and lights going 18 hours a day how could it be that high unless the landlord is charging some insanely high electricity rate?

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s isn't paying the girls any more than they did before, btw. they still get what they always did. i asked about it a long time ago and seem to recall the girls got 300 or 400 baht from it.

a 100 baht increase for the bj doesn't doesn't bother me much, but charging 150 baht for a bottle of beer is a bit much for at a place like this. i'll still remain a customer at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, but will stick to drinking elsewhere.

tip: visit during shift change at about 4pm if you want the biggest selection. you get to see the day crew and the night crew.[/quote]hopefully they will spend the extra money to give them blow job training because at the moment the girls in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s give the worst blow jobs found in thailand. seriously. the place is a joke and best avoided. star of light is far superior.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1277124]OK, you're right. I've seen the light and that's it then for ISG. Thanks to many of you for your interest and support the past few years. Happy mongering in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Hey Fon, I hope you are just being sarcastic. Don't let the naysayers get you down. There is nothing wrong with taking cityscapes. You are recording the vibrant street life of BKK with a focus on pretty girls. If you were shooting the girls in compromising positions like a nip showing and then posting without their permission; I might see the objection. But that is not what you are doing, so there is nothing wrong with it. Some may like your shots. Others may think they don't add up to much. You can't please everybody, so just please yourself.

The problem is; there are too many critics here on the forum that seem to want to enforce their own values and styles of mongering on everybody else by launching personal attacks on members with whom they disagree. Having different opinions is good and contributes to the vitality of the forum, but personaly criticizing someone because you don't like their preferences or approaches to mongering has a stifling effect which is very harmful to the free exchange of information. No flaming should be the rule! Let's try a little self control for the sake of the forum. In the immortal words of Rodney King."Can we all get along?"

[QUOTE=GentleBoner;1277123]Taking photos of random girls on the street and posting them on a p4p forum is pretty creepy.Not to mention could have negative consequences for the girls if people they know found out their photo was posted here.[/QUOTE]Do the pictures show a naked girl smiling to the camera after she said "for your eyes only"? No! Do the pictures imply the girl is a hardened hooker going to work? No! Do the pictures show a girl with her phone number and a board reading "available for p4p but don't tell my family"? No!

I think your problem is that none of those pictures show naked girls and so both your hands are free to type this nonsense on your keyboard.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1276815]I suggest its got nothing to do with being anonymous on ISG, I suggest its all about the fact, you are taking the pics without permission or knowledge of the girls. Bit weird or creepy when its just about all we get, time and again. I try to imagine you doing it all the time, end result, weird, LOL. Taken without permission or knowledge thats the reason. Where's my pics? Yeh, prefer 'anonymous' than posting that stuff, LOL. Main thing is you like it, but not me. Doesn't upset me, just weird![/QUOTE]I must admit that I find your finding the Fok Tok photos,"creepy", creepy as well. I realize that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but seriously, the photos are taken in public places and are of the ladies most of the time doing nothing more than walking. And you found a way to make that creepy, that fact that you actually spend time "imagining" it gives me the "willies".

I think it would be a LOT more "weird" to actually stop the girl and say,"Hey can I take a picture of you walking down the street". IMHO, it is no different than taking a ramdom photo of a landmark and getting strangers in the picture as well. I will give you that the subject aren't landmarks, or wait a minute. Maybe they really are "landmarks", the ladies of Bangkok are certainly known around the world for their allure and beauty!

A guy taking a photo of some girl with her lips wrapped around his johnson is okay, but a fully clothed lady, photographed in public place freaks some people out?

I find it VERY curious that some people want to impose their sense of correctness on this forum of all places.

I sincerely hope that Fon Tok continues to post his pictures, the may not be of "money" shots, but it sure brings back great memories of the beauty that can be found in Bangkok and all around Thailand, even if I will never meet them.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1277124]OK, you're right. I've seen the light and that's it then for ISG.

Thanks to many of you for your interest and support the past few years. Happy mongering in Thailand.

And, one last shot of GentleBoner trolling Lower Sukhumvit.[/QUOTE]Please don't stop. Love your pics. 1000% way better than some of the nasty gyne shots some love. And being photographed in public, is perfectly fine by copyright laws.

Keep shooting, my man.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1276972]Totally agree. Not sure of the motivation behind the story but after nearly 9 years living here I can guarantee this is not true.

GUARANTEE. No matter how good looking, no matter how suave. This is completely counter to everything a Thai girl like you describe would do.

Absolutely this story is fabricated.[/QUOTE]I guess its pure luck. I was at right place at right time. Brother you need to work on your timing. I don't care if you guys believe it or not but what I wrote is all true. I realized in morning I should have not gone with her its not safe. But I guess I was do drunk and excited to think all that at that moment after all I was experiencing it for the first time.

I don't understand why you guys so surprised to listen that she took me to her home. There are so many working girls in BKK who live alone in BKK (they rent condo) and they all go out and want to have fun on weekend. Place like RCA, Q bar and bed club is packed with weekend girls on Friday and Saturday.

If you go back few pages you will read so many reports about girls making out with guys and not charging. So its wrong to assume all the girls go for money. Bangkok is full of single girls who live alone and got a good job all they want is little fun on weekend. I was just lucky enough to experience that.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1277043]You are right but I'll say it again. They wouldn't take them to their home. Whether rich kid or self made woman.

Seriously, ask yourself how many times you have been into a Thai girls home that you are dating?

There are still A LOT of Thais (particularly the older generation) that assume any Thai girl with a Farang is a hooker. If nothing else then Thais know how to be discreet and where to draw the line hence the short time hotels all over town.

If he said short time hotel then yes I would definitely believe the story.[/QUOTE]I don't know about you mate but I met this cute little girl at Q bar and very next day I was at her place to pick her up for dinner. She is Nurse by profession. You haven't scored anything in nine year that doesn't mean no one can score. So please don't generalize things. Bangkok is like any other cosmopolitan city. All kind of shit happens here.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1276815]I suggest its got nothing to do with being anonymous on ISG, I suggest its all about the fact, you are taking the pics without permission or knowledge of the girls. Bit weird or creepy when its just about all we get, time and again. I try to imagine you doing it all the time, end result, weird, LOL. Taken without permission or knowledge thats the reason. Where's my pics? Yeh, prefer 'anonymous' than posting that stuff, LOL. Main thing is you like it, but not me. Doesn't upset me, just weird![/QUOTE]There are weirder things happening in Bangkok, or this Forum. Get used to it. Shit, if I had to complain about everything that weird, we'd be here for a long time.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15; 1276807]Good for you! Lucky you.

Can I ask your age and the ladies ages?

In my previous experience, yes this also happens to me, but all the times girls wanted to go to my place / apartment.

I always found that the day after I had to compensate the girl (not by paying her money but with gift while visiting a shopping mall).

My age is 50+ and the girls where around 30/35.[/QUOTE]I am 31 and girl was around 27. Its more like one night stand so I don't have to compensate though we did exchanged numbers. Now I think and realized it was really stupid of me to go with her because as I said BKK is full of surprised any thing could have happen. I guess I am Lucky enough. I am not white I am Indian with light skin (More like thai) Every time I tell a girl I am Indian they get surprise. They think I more look like from Singapore or another Asian Country but no way from India. I have to convince them that I am Indian. I guess it has more to do with they way I dress up and the way I behave and I speak good English. I know Most of the thai people don't like Indian. Thanks to my fellow brothers who who lack some basic hygiene, civic sense and more over they don't know how to be polite and respect other culture and people. But if you got looks and luck then noting like that.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1277124]OK, you're right. I've seen the light and that's it then for ISG.

Thanks to many of you for your interest and support the past few years. Happy mongering in Thailand.

And, one last shot of GentleBoner trolling Lower Sukhumvit.[/QUOTE]If you are indeed serious, you have let a few ignorant and uninformed people sway your view. I for one love the photos you post. I do not get to BKK as much as I used to, and I enjoy your street shots immensely. It would be a shame if you no longer post.

planning for bkk:

gogo. baccara, rainbow 4.

bj bar. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], sol.

2 girl. eden.

mid-level soapy. mango.

upscale. copacabana.

dance club. qbar.

throw in some lumpini and street food.

looking for the all around best thai experience. missing anything?

Fon Tok,

Just ignore the folks that write the negative words. Many folks, I included, have always looked forward to your pictures. Keep 'them coming (street shots)

[QUOTE=Drogue;1277281]If you are indeed serious, you have let a few ignorant and uninformed people sway your view. I for one love the photos you post. I do not get to BKK as much as I used to, and I enjoy your street shots immensely. It would be a shame if you no longer post.[/QUOTE]

[quote=bartchamdo; 1277134]at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s beers have gone up from 105 to 150 and blowjobs from 700 to 800. i asked my favorite lady there about it and she explained that the place had a high overhead and the landlord's prices just keep rising. according to her, the rent is currently 50, 000 and electricity 30, 000. i can believe the rent, but for electricity that sounds a bit exaggerated. even with ac and lights going 18 hours a day how could it be that high unless the landlord is charging some insanely high electricity rate?

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s isn't paying the girls any more than they did before, btw. they still get what they always did. i asked about it a long time ago and seem to recall the girls got 300 or 400 baht from it.

a 100 baht increase for the bj doesn't doesn't bother me much, but charging 150 baht for a bottle of beer is a bit much for at a place like this. i'll still remain a customer at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, but will stick to drinking elsewhere.

tip: visit during shift change at about 4pm if you want the biggest selection. you get to see the day crew and the night crew.[/quote]the girls do receive tips most of the times albeit not from the isg bargain shoppers so they don't make out too bad on the deal. however, there are other places where the price is still 700b. i'm not a drinker but why do you need to drink before a bj, alcohol is not going to stimulate you, is it dr. pearl? if the price of drinks are too high you can always get your drinks elsewhere and use the bj bar for it's primary purpose.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1277124]OK, you're right. I've seen the light and that's it then for ISG.

Thanks to many of you for your interest and support the past few years. Happy mongering in Thailand.

And, one last shot of GentleBoner trolling Lower Sukhumvit.[/QUOTE]I beg to Differ. It actually makes me happy that some members don't like my views or my posts. If they get angry or sarcastic in public, makes me smile even more. I love that people don't get along, that you're always going to have idiots like gentle boner and the other guy whose name I forgot (and can't give enough of a fuck to scroll down and verify) who will contribute nothing to this forum and criticize the people who actually post.

If I were you, I would have posted even more pictures of girls to show these fuckers how highly you think about their 0. 02c.

For what it's worth, your pictures were actually the only ones worth clicking on to see on a Larger scale. The rest I look in a Thumbnail state only.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1277371]I beg to Differ. It actually makes me happy that some members don't like my views or my posts. If they get angry or sarcastic in public, makes me smile even more. I love that people don't get along, that you're always going to have idiots like gentle boner and the other guy whose name I forgot (and can't give enough of a fuck to scroll down and verify) who will contribute nothing to this forum and criticize the people who actually post.

If I were you, I would have posted even more pictures of girls to show these fuckers how highly you think about their 0. 02c.

For what it's worth, your pictures were actually the only ones worth clicking on to see on a Larger scale. The rest I look in a Thumbnail state only.[/QUOTE]Maybe the post of the year! At least on this forum!

Friends,

The last 2 days I did some bar hopping in Sukhumvit soi 22 with friends. All the bars are rip offs trying to add extra bar tabs on your bill. Review the bill carefully and keep count of the drinks. The companions sitting around, score below 3, and the music is non retro. The only recommended place is Titanium, even though a bit expensive, is a mood lifter for that area. Stick to Cowboy.

[quote=nick depalma; 1277300]planning for bkk:

gogo. baccara, rainbow 4.

bj bar. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], sol.

2 girl. eden.

mid-level soapy. mango.

upscale. copacabana.

dance club. qbar.

throw in some lumpini and street food.

looking for the all around best thai experience. missing anything?[/quote]mango isn't really a soapy and when i stopped in the other day, nothing to write home about in the looks department so i left. check out dream heaven on 33 and opt for nuru massage. they usually have a hot one or two available.

just saw a taxi driver was offed on soil 11 the other night.. i guess it wasn't his lucky night..

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1277148]Do the pictures show a naked girl smiling to the camera after she said "for your eyes only"? No! Do the pictures imply the girl is a hardened hooker going to work? No! Do the pictures show a girl with her phone number and a board reading "available for p4p but don't tell my family"? No!

I think your problem is that none of those pictures show naked girls and so both your hands are free to type this nonsense on your keyboard.[/QUOTE]Context doesn't matter. This is a p4p forum. Having their photos seen here by family or employers (whose english might not be great) could be enough to cause serious problems for people. I would expect an expat to know this. Especially since the photos are often suggestive, even if not pornographic. I personally know a girl who was fired just for being seen flirting with tourists on khao san at night.

Bargirls are one thing, but leave civilians out of it. Their photos don't belong on ISG.

And yes frequently photographing girls on the street is something only serious creeps do.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner; 1277438]Context doesn't matter. This is a p4p forum. Having their photos seen here by family or employers (whose english might not be great) could be enough to cause serious problems for people. I would expect an expat to know this. Especially since the photos are often suggestive, even if not pornographic. I personally know a girl who was fired just for being seen flirting with tourists on khao san at night.

Bargirls are one thing, but leave civilians out of it. Their photos don't belong on ISG.

And yes frequently photographing girls on the street is something only serious creeps do.[/QUOTE]I am just curious. If this site is so taboo then how would someone explain that they had seen her photos here in the first place.

"Oh I just stumbled on this P4P site and by mistake found myself in the Thailand Photo pages or Bangkok reports. Give me a break!

Your friend was fired for conduct in public. By your own admission not from some photos on this or any other site.

I can't even begin to fathom, how Fon Tok's photos (or any other person photos of the girls in public) are "suggestive". They show a lady walking down the street! Now I will agree that they look good, but they walked out the door that morning dressed looking that way knowing full well they would be seen in public!

One thing I am SURE of is that you have absolutely NO standing to decide what does and does not "belong" on ISG, you don't own the board anymore than any of the rest of us and until you do, then the ONLY person who has that right is Jackson, that is not debatable!

One other thing that at least in my opinion is certainly up for debate is your assertion that taking pictures of ladies on the street somehow constitutes deviate behavior,

I wholeheartedly disagree with your position, but hey it is just that, your opinion, of no more value than mine!

If that is in fact the case, the CREEPS UNITE! WE want MORE "CREEPY" pictures!

Viva la difference!

[QUOTE=GentleBoner;1277438]And yes frequently photographing girls on the street is something only serious creeps do.[/QUOTE]Tell me something, Mr. GentleBoner; I'm curious.

What does it feel like inside your head to have it so full of shit?

[QUOTE=GentleBoner;1277438]Especially since the photos are often suggestive, even if not pornographic. .[/QUOTE]Are you saying a girl walking in the streets, by her own will, wearing a miniskirt and eventually high heels (to look nice and please everybody's eyes, including her owns) is offering PORNOGRAPHIC views? Are you nut or what?

[QUOTE=GentleBoner;1277438]Context doesn't matter. This is a p4p forum. Having their photos seen here by family or employers (whose english might not be great) could be enough to cause serious problems for people.[/QUOTE]I once was browsing on a web site "specialized" in voyeur images, majority were amateur exposing themselves in public. There was a section called "seen in the streets" or something like that. Often beach pictures. Pictures just framing what anybody could see with his own eyes, anybody of any age, BTW. And not standing smartly at the bottom of a star to catch if th girls were wearing undies. Lo and behold I bumped into a beach picture of two girls I knew very well for working reasons and they were both topless (not a big deal in a sunny beach!). The website was obviously kinky, no doubt. But those pictures were absolutely innocent, albeit I could see the tits I could never see when they were working. It never passed to my mind to comment negatively on the girls, with their employers or what. Was the publication on the site making the sluts all of a sudden? Or porn models exposing tits? Was I then entitled to hav dirty thoughts on the girls and approch them with a blackmail? Is that what are you implying or suggestung? To make things clear, as I aint no hypocrit, I don't hide with god friends, even at work, I am reading ISG. And on that specific case I showed the web page to a few common friends and we all had a laugh on "big brother". I didn't show it to the girls to avoid them embarrassment. And kept looking at them just as before, not as porn models, as they weren't.
I would rather be more concerned about a picture of a girl sucking a dick in a farang's hotel room when when says at home that she is the cashier at 7-11..Be it on ISG or anywhere, even on a sex manual. Even if she is consenting to the picture... If we have to out some moral in this story.
Get a life, dude.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner;1277438]Especially since the photos are often suggestive, even if not pornographic.[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Bionicman;1277491]Are you saying a girl walking in the streets, by her own will, wearing a miniskirt and eventually high heels (to look nice and please everybody's eyes, including her owns) is offering PORNOGRAPHIC views? Are you nut or what?[/QUOTE]

English likely isn't your first language. Probably not your 2nd either.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner;1277438]Bargirls are one thing, but leave civilians out of it. Their photos don't belong on ISG.[/QUOTE]Ahahahahahahah Civilians? CI VI LIANS? Hahahahahahahahaha. Shit, I got to scroll through all 80 of your posts, if they're all as Hilarious as this one, I'm in for a Treat.

How old are you? Fucking 70? We're in 2012, nowadays people take pics of Everything and report them on various Blogs / Forums / Websites. If you don't like it, then keep your high morals out of here and go find Jesus somewhere, I am sure the two of you will get along just fine.

Civilians. Ahahahahahaha

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1277505]Ahahahahahahah Civilians? CI VI LIANS? Hahahahahahahahaha. Shit, I got to scroll through all 80 of your posts, if they're all as Hilarious as this one, I'm in for a Treat.

How old are you? Fucking 70? We're in 2012, nowadays people take pics of Everything and report them on various Blogs / Forums / Websites. If you don't like it, then keep your high morals out of here and go find Jesus somewhere, I am sure the two of you will get along just fine.

Civilians. Ahahahahahaha[/QUOTE]

Quite a low threshold for humor you have. Quite a bizarre system for capitalizing words also. But glad you enjoyed my post so much.

I'm likely younger than you are. Not so interested in morality, Jesus, or endless photographs of women in skirts walking down the street.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner;1277502]English likely isn't your first language. Probably not your 2nd either.[/QUOTE]. The releveance of this last comment with the debate?

Are you suggesting that anyone whose English is not his first or even second language should be denied the right to post? BTW, English is my 3rd language.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Burqa_IMG_1127.jpg[/url]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1277371]I beg to Differ. It actually makes me happy that some members don't like my views or my posts. If they get angry or sarcastic in public, makes me smile even more. I love that people don't get along, that you're always going to have idiots like gentle boner and the other guy whose name I forgot (and can't give enough of a fuck to scroll down and verify) who will CONTRIBUTE nothing to this forum and criticize the people who actually POST.

(snip).[/QUOTE]Ahem, Mr. 3,689 posts. Or whatever the number is. It's clear to me that posting is not the same as contributing. Whiners! WHERE the fuck is LBM and his seasoned words of wisdom? Now THAT GUY contributes. What exactly brought you back? Was it the forum structure? Like Annies and Tulips and All Other Fuckshops Claiming to be Massage?

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;1277563][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Burqa_IMG_1127.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]I disagreee. It is too fancy! Should be black!

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1277571]Ahem, Mr. 3,689 posts. Or whatever the number is. It's clear to me that posting is not the same as contributing. Whiners! WHERE the fuck is LBM and his seasoned words of wisdom? Now THAT GUY contributes. What exactly brought you back? Was it the forum structure? Like Annies and Tulips and All Other Fuckshops Claiming to be Massage?[/QUOTE]Even if 1% of Nic's posts are considered "useful", (and I think the real number is far higher) , it's aready far more than yours. So practice what you say, and post something useful.

[QUOTE=Dreams; 1277562]. The releveance of this last comment with the debate?

Are you suggesting that anyone whose English is not his first or even second language should be denied the right to post? BTW, English is my 3rd language.[/QUOTE]He misunderstood me. I specifically said the photos were NOT pornographic, then he called me a nut for saying they're pornographic.

May I offer a easy suggestion. If you see the post is from Fon Tok then skip the bloody thing. Easy enough.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner; 1277510]Quite a low threshold for humor you have. Quite a bizarre system for capitalizing words also. But glad you enjoyed my post so much.

I'm likely younger than you are. Not so interested in morality, Jesus, or endless photographs of women in skirts walking down the street.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dreams;1277615]Even if 1% of Nic's posts are considered "useful", (and I think the real number is far higher) , it's aready far more than yours. So practice what you say, and post something useful.[/QUOTE]You mean useful like naming places and names where I had good service? Like 4 of my posts recently? I'm not practicing, I'm doing it. If you'd bothered to look before you wrote you would already know that.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1029-Bangkok-Hotels&p=1273645#post1273645

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1273641#post1273641

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3017-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-TULIP-ONLY!&p=1272476#post1272476

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1272395#post1272395

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1277720]May I offer a easy suggestion. If you see the post is from Fon Tok then skip the bloody thing. Easy enough.[/QUOTE]I have two easy suggestions for my ISG friends.

One, please just forget about my "creepy" street shots of beautiful, anonymous, Bangkok women with lovely legs as there will not be anymore.

And two, if you have some free time in the afternoon, go over to Patpong 2 and visit the very pretty little bartender who works at the Topless Beer Bar. She is very sweet and likes to meet polite, generous men. Buy her a drink and get to know her a a little. I don't know her name, but she is from Khon Kaen. You'll know who she is when you see her.

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1277720]May I offer a easy suggestion. If you see the post is from Fon Tok then skip the bloody thing. Easy enough.[/QUOTE]Or he could use the "Ignore" Function. Then Fon Tok would not even appear on his screen anymore.

Like I have a few people on my Ignore list (Penbelly was there before he got banned. But we still have his creepy ass thread there in the Forum). I wonder what one has to do to really be booted out of here. (maybe OTH could share his opinion on that)

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1277814]. please just forget about my "creepy" street shots of beautiful, anonymous, Bangkok women with lovely legs as there will not be anymore.[/QUOTE]I think it's a shame (unless you're joking) that you're going to allow a few cretin Internet trolls have their way and chase off your photographs from this board. You should simply tell them to fuck off and keep posting as you like. You are one of the most prolific and worthwhile contributors here.

I don't blame you for being tired of all the bullshit from the ungrateful peanut gallery.

I joined this forum six years ago because I wanted to learn all about Thailand as a mongering destination and potential retirement location. Now, I'm fortunate enough to be living that dream, and it's largely because of all the valuable information shared here by posters like yourself and many others, some of whom are long gone now due to the petty hecklers and jerks who have taken their place.

Those who are interested in knowing what Thailand is like; what they are likely to see on the streets; the sights; the hustle; the street vendors; the people; especially the beautiful young slim Thai girls dressed to the nines who can be seen going about their daily lives in public; your photographs reveal it all, and with class.

You don't invade their privacy. You don't show their faces. You just give us a wonderful glimpse of their presence everywhere while at the same time respecting their dignity. I, and many others here, I'm sure, thank you for that, Fon Tok. You and your photographs add a special dimension to the Thailand forum.

Your pictures are far more enlightening and informative about Thailand, the people and the women of Thailand, than all of the naked spread-eagle-crotch shots, cum glazed faces, and dick buried in asses contributions put together in my humble opinion.

So from one happy American expat in the Land of Smiles to another:

Thanks again, Fon Tok!

I'll miss your stuff.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1277870]Those who are interested in knowing what Thailand is like; what they are likely to see on the streets; the sights; the hustle; the street vendors; the people; especially the beautiful young slim Thai girls dressed to the nines who can be seen going about their daily lives in public; your photographs reveal it all, and with class.

You don't invade their privacy. You don't show their faces. You just give us a wonderful glimpse of their presence everywhere while at the same time respecting their dignity. I, and many others here, I'm sure, thank you for that, Fon Tok. You and your photographs add a special dimension to the Thailand forum.[/QUOTE]Very well said! But unfortunately, like a lot of other insightful posts here, it will go unnoticed because there aint any pussy or ST / LT rates in it.

May I suggest Posting Photos in the Expat Forum? Where the discerned gentlemen will appreciate them for their REal Value?

And while we are at it, can we block access to the Dross of the Forum? So we can have intelligent conversations? .

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1277043]Seriously, ask yourself how many times you have been into a Thai girls home that you are dating?[/QUOTE]I basically live in my girl's condo. I've slept there more than 200 times.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1277879]May I suggest Posting Photos in the Expat Forum? Where the discerned gentlemen will appreciate them for their REal Value?

And while we are at it, can we block access to the Dross of the Forum? So we can have intelligent conversations? .[/QUOTE]Are you kidding me, Nic? The Expat part of the forum is dead, exiled to a completely different forum where it has been rotting ever since for lack of use. That sorry situation is all because a bunch of new crybabies complained to Jackson that OTH and a few others expressed opinions which hurt their tender feelings.

So eventually we lost OTH, who contributed great stuff to the board along with many others who just got sick and tired of the bitching, moaning and crying from newcomers who, by-the-way, contributed nothing. He was grumpy but entertaining and plenty worthwhile. He really was an old Thai hand who knew what he was talking about.

We enjoyed a lot of great discussions among the expats before the split. There are no longer many discerned gentlemen here who are interested in quality discussions and photographs, like Fon Tok's, which can be appreciated for their real value.

Giotto, for example, still pops up refreshingly now and then, but was chased away to his own forum, which is the kiss of death here, by a bunch of sorry assholes bitching about his promotion of the Lodge. They didn't give a crap about his valuable contributions and the fact that his Lodge is a REAL value all things considered.

The rest of the forum has been watered down with new threads and new boards because of complainers who wanted every massage parlor to have its own thread and every topic to have its own board.

The only reason I'm still here is mostly habit, I guess, and the fact that every now and then someone drops a pearl into the mix of stupid questions and inane drivel, and, oh yes, horrible photographs of hideous looking girls which would make any self respecting monger avoid Thailand like the plague.

It's nice to have you back because you have always been one of the contributors; one with an attitude, and that is always entertaining.

Guess you got tired of wooing the good little girls of Bangkok, eh? The freebies? The non-pro's? Hahahahaha! I could have told you that free pussy is just way too expensive. Somehow or another they'll make you pay.

For me it was the mental anguish involved with trying to placate them while butterflying. No way will I ever stop doing that. I had a lot of very pretty ones; young ones too, and free sex, but it wasn't worth the price. Sooner or later they can get mean and when that happens it almost always ends badly.

My hat is off to guys like Mr. E. Who can juggle them all in the air without getting burned.

No, I'm afraid we can't block access to all the Dross on the forum. We're just going to have to put up with it until things get better, which is always possible if one is optimistic.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1277814]I have two easy suggestions for my ISG friends.

One, please just forget about my "creepy" street shots of beautiful, anonymous, Bangkok women with lovely legs as there will not be anymore.

Please, Fon Tok, don't give up!

Your many photos that were shot in the streets always have been a pleasure to look at. You have a well cultured technique and a good view for beauty. I have admired all your contributions, that are second to nothing and much more stimulating than the bad quality photo shot with a mobile phone.

When members like to present their contributions with detailed anatomic / gynecologic photos they should take care of good photographic quality.

In conclusion: I will miss your artistic contributions. Please let us share from your capacity in the future.

Thanks and regards.

FV

Enough about the photographs. Can we move on and do what we are supposed to do. Write about our experiences.

I will take the initiative and Mr. Bowerboy don't be jealous cause I scored another one for free.

I have met this girl at Thilovelinks. Com and I have been chatting with her through skype and sms for almost a month. She owns a pub in some Thai area in partnership. This Friday night around 10 I got her sms saying that she is going to Q bar and if I want I can join her. I text her back I will be there around 11:30.

Guys When ever I am in BKK I always stay at sukhumvit soi 11, I simply love this street and thanks to the discount card provided by hotel my entry to Q bar and Bed club is free.

So I again got message from her around 11 saying that she is there and waiting for me up stair at open bar. I just took the shower and went there. She was sitting alone and drinking wine. I asked her why she alone she replied that her 2 friends will be joining her later. We were drinking and having a good talk around 12:30 two of her female friends also joined us. Both of them were fashion designers and partners in Business. All of us were having a good conversation and enjoying our drinks (Kindly note that till this point I didn't paid for their drinks). Around 1 to charge up the atmosphere I orders tequila shots for every 1 (I Paid for that) after 10 min my friend (PUB owner) order another round of shots around 1:30 we moved down and few more drinks and dancing followed. It was perfect evening. Good company (3 beautiful girls) , good conversation, good drinks, good music and some dancing. Around 3 light of Q bar turned on and it was time to go. We decided to eat at soi 11 itself. There is one restaurant at the starting of the soi 11 just next to DOSA King sign board its open 24X7 I don't remember the name, the fashion designer girls took us there. Food was good.

After food we decided to call of the night so the fashion designers girls took the taxi and left. My girl's car was parked out side Q bar so we walked there. When we reached the car I asked her is he sure she can drive because she was bit drunk. She told me that she is bit drunk so she will drive slowly. I offered her that she can rest at my hotel and can go back home in morning because its not safe to drive when dunked. To my surprise she took my offer and we parked the car at my hotel parking which was hardly 100meters from there and then moved to my room.

She was fun in bed. We had a good time. She woke me up at elven and told me that she has to rush because she got a review meeting of the staff at 1 in noon. She took the bath and I escorted her to the car. We hugged and said good bye. After an hour I got a text from her saying that she has reached and thanked me for everything.

Was the Topless Beer Bar once the "Playboy Club" years and years ago? If so I had my initiation in the mongering scene in the back where the girls where. They also, back then, had live sex shows on the stage.

[QUOTE]Snipped.

And two, if you have some free time in the afternoon, go over to Patpong 2 and visit the very pretty little bartender who works at the Topless Beer Bar. She is very sweet and likes to meet polite, generous men. Buy her a drink and get to know her a a little. I don't know her name, but she is from Khon Kaen. You'll know who she is when you see her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1277931]Are you kidding me, Nic? The Expat part of the forum is dead, exiled to a completely different forum where it has been rotting ever since for lack of use. That sorry situation is all because a bunch of new crybabies complained to Jackson that OTH and a few others expressed opinions which hurt their tender feelings.

So eventually we lost OTH, who contributed great stuff to the board along with many others who just got sick and tired of the bitching, moaning and crying from newcomers who, by-the-way, contributed nothing. He was grumpy but entertaining and plenty worthwhile. He really was an old Thai hand who knew what he was talking about.

We enjoyed a lot of great discussions among the expats before the split. There are no longer many discerned gentlemen here who are interested in quality discussions and photographs, like Fon Tok's, which can be appreciated for their real value.

Giotto, for example, still pops up refreshingly now and then, but was chased away to his own forum, which is the kiss of death here, by a bunch of sorry assholes bitching about his promotion of the Lodge. They didn't give a crap about his valuable contributions and the fact that his Lodge is a REAL value all things considered.

The rest of the forum has been watered down with new threads and new boards because of complainers who wanted every massage parlor to have its own thread and every topic to have its own board.[/QUOTE]We agree here. Ah, the good times. I miss the 2006 to 2009 period. People seemed to know how to behave these days.

[quote]Guess you got tired of wooing the good little girls of Bangkok, eh? The freebies? The non-pro's? Hahahahaha! I could have told you that free pussy is just way too expensive. Somehow or another they'll make you pay.[/quote]NAh, The money I have, it's just the game, I needed something Different. Being back to P4P for a while is refreshing. Well, I tried Cowboy and I can say I hate that scene, it's really not for me. To sit among a crew of Wannabe drunkards and looking ad jaded girls that think about only one thing: "Go fuck that asshole Farang, get the money and go home to see my son / daughter"

Is it ok to discuss that here? Or Kurt from Frankfurt is going to send Jackson a complaint email?

I rarely contribute to this forum, as my knowledge of Thailand pales next to Nic and some of the other regular contributors. I live in the Philippines and only get to LOS a couple of times a year, with one of those times coming up later this week. I used to lurk on this forum prior to trips to pick up information on the latest scene. However, I'm sick of the bars, not at all into the Go Go scene, and massage parlors have nothing new to show to me. Hoping to glean some information on new places, or at least some that remained undiscovered for me, I've read back several pages prior to making the trip. Without intending to flame anyone, it doesn't seem to me that there's nearly as much information here as I remember a few years ago. Guess I'll have to launch a voyage of self-discovery.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1277994]I rarely contribute to this forum, as my knowledge of Thailand pales next to Nic and some of the other regular contributors. I live in the Philippines and only get to LOS a couple of times a year, with one of those times coming up later this week. I used to lurk on this forum prior to trips to pick up information on the latest scene. However, I'm sick of the bars, not at all into the Go Go scene, and massage parlors have nothing new to show to me. Hoping to glean some information on new places, or at least some that remained undiscovered for me, I've read back several pages prior to making the trip. Without intending to flame anyone, it doesn't seem to me that there's nearly as much information here as I remember a few years ago. Guess I'll have to launch a voyage of self-discovery.

GE[/QUOTE]Yeh I totally agree. People here are more interested in abusing and criticising each other. I guess we are no more human.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1277994]I'm sick of the bars, not at all into the Go Go scene, and massage parlors have nothing new to show to me.[/QUOTE]Wow, you're going to hate what I have to suggest, but I think the only options you have left are:

- Medical Holiday.

- Shopping.

- Temples.

Coming from the Phils, I'm not goign to suggest the beach since Boracay is the worlds top beach destination.

Oh, have you tried Dr BJ? I guess that's the only Mongering thing left?

If you want more info on how to get "Regular girls online" PM Me, I will not post helpful info publicly

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1277900]I basically live in my girl's condo. I've slept there more than 200 times.[/QUOTE]Nice. Classy

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1277994]I rarely contribute to this forum, as my knowledge of Thailand pales next to Nic and some of the other regular contributors. I live in the Philippines and only get to LOS a couple of times a year, with one of those times coming up later this week. I used to lurk on this forum prior to trips to pick up information on the latest scene. However, I'm sick of the bars, not at all into the Go Go scene, and massage parlors have nothing new to show to me. Hoping to glean some information on new places, or at least some that remained undiscovered for me, I've read back several pages prior to making the trip. Without intending to flame anyone, it doesn't seem to me that there's nearly as much information here as I remember a few years ago. Guess I'll have to launch a voyage of self-discovery.GE[/QUOTE]There is not much left to debate on ISG once you remove bars, GoGo, MP (you forgot soapies!) from your list. Maybe FL's? True what Nic said: Dr BJ (depends where you place it in your "Not to do list"

[QUOTE=Harold444;1277798]I want to try the FREE THAI GIRL thing. CAn you guys tell me what lies and deception works best?[/QUOTE]For sure don't tell them you are here for holiday. Tell them you are here for work and you will be frequently visiting Thai or you visit frequently.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1277975]I miss the 2006 to 2009 period.[/QUOTE]Things will balance out. People come and go, just like the service providers!

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1277999]Nice. Classy[/QUOTE]Haha, I like how you went from "it's impossible" to "classy" there. You are not easy to please, are you? ;)

I don't live in BKK but spend a lot of time here so I have the choice between paying for long-term stay in a serviced apartment, or go to my girl's place where I pay nothing, can leave all my stuff (clothes etc) , have an actual living setup (kitchen, room, living room, balcony) and a massive pool that is bigger than most 5 star hotels'. And it's central. And she fucks me for free. And she is great fun and OK with me seeing other girls in my spare time.

Works for me but I'm sure you have a better deal.

Stay classy ;)

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;1277563][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Burqa_IMG_1127.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]Very nicely done, That one actually made me laugh, Lets wait and see what the Photo-Police has to say.

Had a gal from one of the online dating sits text me the other night, she and her friend were going to Shock 39 and later they went to Mixx nightclub, and wanted me to join her. I was feeling a bit lazy and declined the offer and stayed home and played video games. At 3 AM she texted me and said that she wanted to come over. I was a little apprehensive about letting a stranger come here at the wee hours of the night (morning) but nevertheless I was feeling horny and told her to come on over and we'd meet at the nearby McDonalds. I then locked all my valuables in a secure place, just to be on the safe side. I was hungry and ordered a Sundae and Cheese burger, no set. She told me she didn't like Shock 39 because they had too many Arabs and they smell bad (her words not mine!)

At this point it looked like all she wanted to do was sleep on the sofa, so I retired to my bedloom and went to sleep, she followed me there, asked me if I had a big tshirt for her to wear. I said sure here you, go and she turned around and put the tshirt on and I didn't look while she took off her bra. At this point, still no sign of friskiness, so I played it cool and eased off the gas pedal, so to speak. Things then started heating up, at this point I knew I would gain entry into her vagina. She caught a 2nd wind and didn't seem to be so tired anymore! She had some of the nicest set of jugs I've seen on a Thai babe so far, couldn't keep my hands and mouth off them! She was a real sexual dynamo and I think the neighbors heard all the fun LOL. She told me she hadn't had sex in a while and was really getting into it, said to fuck her long time, she came twice and then I finished, then went to sleep. In the morning she left on cue, no unnecessarily hanging around, she took a shower, then left, and didn't ask for taxi fare.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1278092]Another guy admitting there is no FREE sex. Hahahaha. Come on guys, the girls want something more than your GOOD company-just admit it. You won't be so angry then.

Just pay and leave out the dramma! Be happy and not like mr NIC-one angry fella![/QUOTE]H444, oh you are so wrong. On so many levels. I will just say that for the people who live in Bangkok and actually know a thing or two about Thai ladies (not the P4P Type or the Wannabe Gold Diggers) there is a lot of opportunities. Many Thai Ladies are BORED and LONELY.

Especially with half the Male Population being Gay.

Treat them with respect, nicely and they will respond as such. I have done the non P4P heavily for 2 years now and only 10% of the girls were interested about Money. That my Friend, is a FACT.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1278371]She was a real sexual dynamo and I think the neighbors heard all the fun LOL. She told me she hadn't had sex in a while and was really getting into it, said to fuck her long time, she came twice and then I finished, then went to sleep. In the morning she left on cue, no unnecessarily hanging around, she took a shower, then left, and didn't ask for taxi fare.[/QUOTE]Great Report! I'm waiting for our Grumpy444 to come and say that you're an ass for not having paid her because it's not possible that a girl in Thailand would want sex and no money.

On a positive note, I find that when Thai girls drink, they are Horny as hell and there is no telling them you are tired! They will go on and on and on.

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I'm amazed at all these guys who think "there is no free sex". Talk about a warped vision of the world.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1278103]Another very hard to believe scenario! Or is it just me! How do these girls make money?[/quote]Mine fucks other guys for money. The kind of guys who think "there is no free sex".

You are the one who sounds angry by the way ;)

[QUOTE=Harold444;1278103]How do these girls make money?[/QUOTE]Well, they have a day job, like you and me. Do you have a Job 444? Or you're just a 16 yo, still wet behind the ears, coming to ISG dick-in-hand, ready to jerk off to the Picture Gallery?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1278389]I'm waiting for our Grumpy444 to come and say that you're an ass for not having paid her [/QUOTE]

He'll just find it hard to believe.

Tony, I like that she played the good girl who just wants to sleep on the sofa, then when she realized you weren't going to do her anyway, she jumped you and made it happen. Typical. :) Next time just make a move, she came in your room for a reason.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1278391]I'm amazed at all these guys who think "there is no free sex". Talk about a warped vision of the world.

Mine fucks other guys for money. The kind of guys who think "there is no free sex".

You are the one who sounds angry by the way.[/QUOTE]Chill Out. Just to get some perspective for others. Can you hand on heart say you never help this girl out financially?

Does she bring guys back to her place that she picks up for paid sex (or free sex for that matter). That was the original jist of this.

By the way I know for sure there is definitely plenty of free sex in Bangkok and am not disputing that for a moment. Anyone who thinks that normal Thai girls don't like sex are sadly misguided (remember that the vast majority of Thai girls are not hookers and don't sleep with guys for money).

But those that live in a nice Condo in central Bangkok that let you stay there certainly have more to their story for sure ;)

No problem bowerboy, but I'm not sure you'll believe it. Hand on heart:

Not only do I not help her financially, and never have, but we share costs. Supermarket shopping, cinema tickets, restaurants. She pays half. Or I pay once, she pays next time, and so on. All in all, she pays half.

When we travel: she pays half of everything, including hotels costs (if we were going to an expensive place, like 6000 a night, I would offer to pay, but like many thai girls, she doesn't like fancy places and sees them as a waste of money, so we do mid-level hotels together. 1000-1500 a night).

Keep in mind this is a girl who makes great money, she isn't struggling financially.

Does she bring other guys to her condo? Not as part of her job, that's for sure. She likes to have the two separate. She might bring other guys she likes when I'm not in BKK, but I really don't think it's frequent. I don't really care. She is free to do as she wants.

More perspective:

This is my first relationship ever with a professional girl. But I've been in Asia for a long time and obviously haven't been celibate. I've always had the same arrangements as above, with many, many girls. I absolutely agree with NicFrenchy that the vast majority (90%+) of normal girls will just like you because they like you, without expecting money. That is, of course, if you are nice, presentable and fun. It helps to be young (mid thirties for me) but it's very possible to do even when much older (friends of mine do it). But again you need to be nice. The girl needs to enjoy your company and have a good time.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1278437]I absolutely agree with NicFrenchy that the vast majority (90%+) of normal girls will just like you because they like you, without expecting money. That is, of course, if you are nice, presentable and fun. It helps to be young (mid thirties for me) but it's very possible to do even when much older (friends of mine do it). But again you need to be nice. The girl needs to enjoy your company and have a good time.[/QUOTE]I second this. If you are nice and make the girl comfortable at all levels then you are at different level altogether. Yes money is important but it doesn't harm if you try to build up a friendship atleast if not a long term relationship!

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1278437]The girl needs to enjoy your company and have a good time.[/QUOTE]And that is EXACTLY what it is about for them. Whether you're 25 or 65, most could not care less as long as when you are together, it is SANOOK.

I dated a girl whose income was 14, 000 / month and she was paying for her place 6, 500 (she had a Roommate). She decided to upgrade to an 8k place with a King bed and be by herself just so that I could come as many time as I wanted without the Roommate being there.

Did I give her Money? NO. Did she ask me to Pay a bit of the Room? NO.

I booked her a hotel downtown Sukh for 2 months (I PAid) during the Floods as her place was under water. Cost me about 50k Total.

She was so grateful.

The month after she moved in, she handed me 5k cash as part of a 10 month refund. She wanted to pay me back the money. I refused.

She said she was very lucky to have me during the rough time as she has no family to help her. She never ever asked for a dime and when I go to her place, she always has the soda and junk food that I like (she pays).

She has FUN with me all the time we are together and that is enough for her to want to see me more. SANOOK, that's all there is to it really.

I visited Nana Plaza on Friday night. First time I'd been to a gogo in a few months. Was surprised to find it very packed in early May.

Billboard, Angel Witch & Rainbow 2 were all full and I took one of the last seats. Pretty decent lineups in all 3, including several girls I'd really enjoy humping.

The girl I ended up barfining turned out to be one of the most attractive girls I've ever been with. Enormous natural D-cup tits on a skinny body with a young pretty face. Not something you see too often in Thailand. I admit that I caved and paid 2000 ST, which I've only done once before. She wouldn't take 1500, and it was understandable to me, as she was too attractive for a gogo bar.

I made her earn it for about an hour straight. She wasn't complaining and turned out to be quite a nice girl without a superstar attitude.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner;1278449]she was too attractive for a gogo bar.[/QUOTE]That's an interesting point of view.

I am now interested to see this girl (if you are willing to share her details). I thought GoGo bars was about banging girls that you would not be able to bang in the first place? So the more attractive the better, right?

I mean, why go to a bar and pay for a run-of-the-mill girl that you could find easily in Thailand? (I'm thinking non-P4P Freebies).

From where I stand, I would Barfine girls from GoGo bars (same as you did) if they were really pretty and I knew I could not screw a girl like this without paying.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1278493]That's an interesting point of view.

I am now interested to see this girl (if you are willing to share her details). I thought GoGo bars was about banging girls that you would not be able to bang in the first place? So the more attractive the better, right?

I mean, why go to a bar and pay for a run-of-the-mill girl that you could find easily in Thailand? (I'm thinking non-P4P Freebies).

From where I stand, I would Barfine girls from GoGo bars (same as you did) if they were really pretty and I knew I could not screw a girl like this without paying.[/QUOTE]

There are the standard hot girls in the gogo bar, but then occasionally you happen upon the girl who is too hot. Meaning that within a month she'll have 10 sponsors and you'll never see her again. I suspect that's what will happen with this girl. She was too much of an outlier to last long on the market.

The freebie thing sometimes works well and is enjoyable, but other times it doesn't seem worth the time and effort when you could go down the street and be happily satisfied within an hour and don't have some annoying chick hanging around your place the next day or angry at you because you don't want a relationship.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner; 1278449]I visited Nana Plaza on Friday night. First time I'd been to a gogo in a few months. Was surprised to find it very packed in early May.

Billboard, Angel Witch & Rainbow 2 were all full and I took one of the last seats. Pretty decent lineups in all 3, including several girls I'd really enjoy humping.

The girl I ended up barfining turned out to be one of the most attractive girls I've ever been with. Enormous natural D-cup tits on a skinny body with a young pretty face. Not something you see too often in Thailand. I admit that I caved and paid 2000 ST, which I've only done once before. She wouldn't take 1500, and it was understandable to me, as she was too attractive for a gogo bar.

I made her earn it for about an hour straight. She wasn't complaining and turned out to be quite a nice girl without a superstar attitude.[/QUOTE]Hi GB. Which bar was this girl in? Sounds nice. I agree that some girls are all about looks and some about performance. Happy to pay for looks even if performance bad.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1278385]H444, oh you are so wrong. On so many levels. I will just say that for the people who live in Bangkok and actually know a thing or two about Thai ladies (not the P4P Type or the Wannabe Gold Diggers) there is a lot of opportunities. Many Thai Ladies are BORED and LONELY.

Especially with half the Male Population being Gay.

Treat them with respect, nicely and they will respond as such. I have done the non P4P heavily for 2 years now and only 10% of the girls were interested about Money. That my Friend, is a FACT.[/QUOTE]Somehow I think that Hardon444 either has never had sex with anything but his hand, or has never had sex with a non-hooker, neither in Thailand nor anywhere else in the world.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;1278520]Somehow I think that Hardon444 either has never had sex with anything but his hand, or has never had sex with a non-hooker, neither in Thailand nor anywhere else in the world.[/QUOTE]And he has 1 Ball.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]

From where I stand, I would Barfine girls from GoGo bars (same as you did) if they were really pretty and I knew I could not screw a girl like this without paying.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you could get a really pretty girl, but it would take longer than saying "barfine". ;)

Those hot girls can be found in the gogos, but it takes some hunting, and like Gentle said, they often don't last long. One of the hottest girl I've ever been with (P4P or not) was in Nana too, she lasted 2 months and found herself a big time sponsor.

This is a girl who was so hot, I saw her as I was coming down from the short time hotel (having come 5 minutes earlier) and I had to go for her anyway. I never did that before or since.

When she left, she wanted to remain friends but I guess her sponsor didn't like that too much, her phone number stopped working after a while.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1278532]And he has 1 Ball.[/QUOTE]The problem is "where" does he have it?

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1278606]Gogo girls on average not that good looking. Even at baccara or rainbow 4 there are very few stunners.

Come on nic frenchy. You didn't know that!

[/quote]Frankly speaking? The Bars and GoGos are not my scene so I know Very little about them.

[quote]I still not understand, you get so mut free sex why are you even interested in paying?[/QUOTE]Wait, I thought you said it was never free?

One gets tired of regular girls after a while. Been there, done that (from the stunners to the Fuglies). I need a Change. Something that's Hassle-Free.

Come in, bang, come out.

There is no doubt I will go back to non-P4P but now I mix it up more.

And it's not about the money, I have plenty of that already.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1278607]Come on now. You didn't cave. 2000 is the going rate![/QUOTE]For ST? Yes I would not mind paying that but you know as well as I do that some people here would freak out if quoted 2000ST, hell, even 1500 they'd have a heart Attack. ST Can be had for as low as 300 thb in Bangkok. Chinatown.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1277994]I rarely contribute to this forum, as my knowledge of Thailand pales next to Nic and some of the other regular contributors. I live in the Philippines and only get to LOS a couple of times a year, with one of those times coming up later this week. I used to lurk on this forum prior to trips to pick up information on the latest scene. However, I'm sick of the bars, not at all into the Go Go scene, and massage parlors have nothing new to show to me. Hoping to glean some information on new places, or at least some that remained undiscovered for me, I've read back several pages prior to making the trip. Without intending to flame anyone, it doesn't seem to me that there's nearly as much information here as I remember a few years ago. Guess I'll have to launch a voyage of self-discovery.

GE[/QUOTE]If you can't get any excitement from the GOGO, MP, or bars, become a Monk. Sounds like maybe you are sick of good sex.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1278728]ST Can be had for as low as 300 thb in Bangkok. Chinatown.[/QUOTE]Somebody told me that with 300thb you also get 1 Heineken before the deed and a 50% discount voucher for next time. The 2nd time you get a booklet with 10% discount coupons reedemable in Hairbin soapies.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1278727]One gets tired of regular girls after a while. Been there, done that (from the stunners to the Fuglies). I need a Change. Something that's Hassle-Free. [/QUOTE]

So you do admit then, FINALLY, that your regular girls, your freebies, your good girls, are really hassle bundles and pains in the ass.

I knew you'd get around to that admssion sometime.

Sure, you'll go back to the good girls again because you think you can endure the hassle; you'll think it's worth it; but you'll come right back to P4P when you want your freedom again; when they put your nuts in a vice.

Every monger should know: If you want a girlfriend or a wife, find a good girl and let her put on the tether around your neck.

If you want to keep your freedom and peace of mind, stick to p4p and pay less in the long run.

There is an old say that says "we pay them to leave in the morning". Very true. The freebies are not paid to leave in the morning. And do not go!

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1278880]So you do admit then, FINALLY, that your regular girls, your freebies, your good girls, are really hassle bundles and pains in the ass.

I knew you'd get around to that admssion sometime.[/QUOTE]I think in all fairness I have always preached the advantages of P4P, and I still do.

Thing is I was really getting bored of it all, the same MO, all the time. I needed something different. I have done it for 2 years and now I am back Full time in the P4P.

I like Change. It's not about Money, it's about the excitement for me

Been chatting with a girl from Tagged off and on, and she was interested in meeting. Early 30's half Chinese / thai and a real estate agent. We setup a meeting to eat and watch movie at the T21. Unfortunately, I end up falling asleep right before meeting and was woken up by her text. I apologized profusely and said I would be on my way, it won't take me long if she could wait just a little bit. She text me back "waste my time" and "fuck off"."I go back home now" I understood her anger, by all means nobody likes to be stood up. I thought I could get on her good side so I called her and tried to explain the situation. She was having none of that! She just ragged on how her time was important and that there was no excuse for my tardiness! She then hung up on me LOL. I was disapointed, but maybe it was for the best, it seemed she didn't handle adversity too well and really flew off the handle, crying over spilled milk like my gramma would say. But she was pretty good looking though, so in that regard it was disappointing. I salvaged the evening by going to Rainbow 4 and then went to a massage parlor on 23 and got good FS for 1500, I really got my money's worth.

Thaifriendly has some strange gals. I met a girl who I thought was a classy chick, but when I met her, she must have been ashamed of her skin color. I have NEVER seen so much make up on a chick's face. She could have been cute, but looked ridiculous with all that makeup. Her squeaky voice reminded me of Alvin and the Chipmonks. Met another one who wanted to meet so very quick, always wanting to meet at the park next to The Emporium. She was 19, but actually looked older. Curiosity got the best of me, and I had a moment to spare so I met her, and she was pretty ghetto looking in the face. Not horribly ugly and had cheap looking hair. I think she had a decent figure though. I bought her lunch from the street vendor dude and ended the rendezvous right after she was done eating. (BTW- she said she hangs out on Soi 22)

Going back maybe 3 weeks, met a girl on TF, she claimed to be 31, but I have reservations she's even that young. Initially, I thought she was decent looking but her looks quickly faded. Her nose was too big, didn't have a tight stomach, and wore granny panties. I chalked it up as a ONS but she kept texting me and messaging me on MSN. I then asked her flat out if she was a working girl and she confessed that she was. She's a part time free lancer at Insomnia. The thing that tipped it off was, right before she left, she sarcastically said got money for taxi and smiled? I gave it a good chuckle and left it at that. Well, I guess the other part that tipped it off that she said beforehand she liked going to Insomnia. Very annoying girl and even tried to brag that a famous soccer player liked her. I said I have no idea who that is and told her soccer, along with NASCAR is the world's crappiest sport. Like Jim Rome Burning says, Soccer sucks! (no offense to any soccer fans haha)

Funny thing about Thai Friendly is a girl will start a chat then in a few minutes will disappear out of thin air. I've been doing TF heavy, but will go for a few days at DAI, then eventually hit the club scene for some more free shenanigans.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1279011]Come on nic. Admit it! Free aint free!

I'm not the only one who senses you embellish a lot![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Bionicman;1278883]There is an old say that says "we pay them to leave in the morning". Very true. The freebies are not paid to leave in the morning. And do not go![/QUOTE]I think there is a clear divide between mongers who enjoy the company of women beyond just the sex, and those who don't. I enjoy their company so the idea of spending time with them isn't a sacrifice or a bad thing.

If you consider having conversations with a woman or giving her any attention beyond fucking is "paying", then of course everyone in the world is "paying". That just makes the word meaningless.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1277814]I have two easy suggestions for my ISG friends.

One, please just forget about my "creepy" street shots of beautiful, anonymous, Bangkok women with lovely legs as there will not be anymore.

And two, if you have some free time in the afternoon, go over to Patpong 2 and visit the very pretty little bartender who works at the Topless Beer Bar. She is very sweet and likes to meet polite, generous men. Buy her a drink and get to know her a a little. I don't know her name, but she is from Khon Kaen. You'll know who she is when you see her.[/QUOTE]Being a "leg man" I liked your pics of leggy Thai gals. Sometimes gaping vaginas can be a bore.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1279253]I think there is a clear divide between mongers who enjoy the company of women beyond just the sex, and those who don't. I enjoy their company so the idea of spending time with them isn't a sacrifice or a bad thing.

If you consider having conversations with a woman or giving her any attention beyond fucking is "paying", then of course everyone in the world is "paying". That just makes the word meaningless.[/QUOTE]I live with a gal. When I hit a venue I want a gal to service me like a porn star / girlfriend right off the bat, then I want to get out of there after I have popped twice. Don't want to woo and romance. Just want the intense sex. That is why I am paying and not out catting around.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1279253]I think there is a clear divide between mongers who enjoy the company of women beyond just the sex, and those who don't. I enjoy their company so the idea of spending time with them isn't a sacrifice or a bad thing.

If you consider having conversations with a woman or giving her any attention beyond fucking is "paying", then of course everyone in the world is "paying". That just makes the word meaningless.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with your second paragraph, as it is not only a matter of doing some plumb drainage. Enjoying the company is part of the experience. But still, the economical settlement clarifies some borders. In some cases it is needed as the GFE risks to go being the mere term.

Not a report, but a question. I bought Apcalis in November 2010. Most pharmacies did not carry it. Is genuine Apcalis still for sale in Bangkok? I am looking for generics. I really need a reliable retailer and I don't travel via India. I cannot believe that cheap stuff is not available.

Is it still available here?

If not, what other generics are? I've not used Viagra / Kamagra recently.

Any suggestions?

Even a point in a general direction is most appreciated.

as an introduction of myself i would first of all say i am not an native english speaker as i am from norway (english is second language). i can not compete with you aussies, brits and americans / canadians when it comes to language and grammar. but i hope you understand my writing.

i have for some months been reading this forum with great interests and to be honest it does not put itself out from a hole lot of other forums (30% useful info and 70% arguing / critizising other members). but i have for sure from the 30% got a handful of good and useful information about mongoring issues. i don't think we are a dying race yet.

i consider myself fairly lucky and i lead an easy life with an occupation which brings me around the globe. after beeing introduced to thailand in early 2008 i am trying to frequent it as often as possible and from 2010 i have been into this country +-40 times. i am done travelling this country and when i am in thailand i stay in bangkok. i like the vibes of this big city and most of all i like the girls (yeah i know we don't have big cities in my country so you have a point).

i have in my early days into los made every mistake a mongorer can make. i have paid to much, i have paid to little, i have been to drunk, i have been robbed and so on. i have even ended up in my hotelroom with a lb. and when i got angry some nasty situation arose. i just mention some securityguards, police and a nife in the lb hands and me using all my man to man combat skills thaught from my military training to come out alive, hehe. wow those guys / girls can get mad but luckely not fight (atleast not this one). grand president in soi 11 still welcomes me by the way but the lb i never saw again. wonder what happened to him / her?

i soon stated that bar, gg- and mp girls was not my cup of tea. i am more into the freelance / dating online scene (dia and tagged) and as i am into clubbing in disco or nightclubs this suites me just perfect. i would say i have done my fair share of freelance ladies in bkk and mainly i hang out in the places mentioned here in isg earlier except from cm2 which does not cope to my liking (maby because we have enough east europeans in my country). i have met good girls, bad girls and girls in the middle. what is common to all of them is that they lie. every one of them.

on the other hand the online girls, i have to say, have surprised me. having read that tons of people have beeing scammed and hazzled. the online girls have turned out to be all good (i have not investigated them so hard because i have not paid them anything but they seem very good) and i use online girls to cover my need for normal relation between male / female. the problem is, and i am sure some of you guys have the same problem as me, they start to get to many and you have to start lying, don't you agree?

i tried my lying project just before christmas and told one girl i was arriving the 19. 12. 12. of course i was arriving the 18'th and went to spasso (with a friend of mine) for some freelance excitement. while sitting down enjoying the usual bottle of vodka, i suddenly noticed from the other side of the bar 2 girls looking at me in funny way. i did feel like there was sth familiar with one of them but after a few minutes it slipped my mind. i saw one made some phonecalls and after 1 hour or so my 19. 12 date shows up. wow what a commotion. i soon realised it was her friend staring at me in the begging. she did see me on one of our first meetings because she joined my date in q-bar (my choice) but i was at the end a bit drunk and did not quite remember her face (they are so hard to devide when they come in groups, hehe. but the make up sex was great i have never been so raped before from a woman.

my next fuck up was in january. i did my usual "arrive to early without telling routine" and this time i had this special tagged girl who i have met on several occations as my date target. i arrived early in the morning and after some sleep i grabbed a few beers from the minibar and started to look in dia. soon one "office" girl makes contact wondering the usual things. since i am not much of a smalltalker (maby a longwriter) i dived into asking her if she would like to meet up after her work. and she told me yes. she worked as a massuse in kempinski hotel so she suggested i meet her in siam paragorn. we went to kabuki restaurant for some kobe beef and it was nice. stunning lady. very beautiful girl (ca 170cm, nice handfuls, and hips with beautiful handles). i asked her if she would join me in my grand president (i usualy stay there) room. she said yes and off we went. from nana bts it is just short walk to president but who do i meet in soi 11? yes, my tagged girl of tomorrow. wow what a commotion. but what surprises me in bangkok is that they in some way forgive you. in norway i would most likely have been ditched by both girls. i know this may not be the truth if you are married to a thaigirl (i guess there is a reason thaidoctors are experts in putting your dick back on) and i read they can be pretty violent with both scissors and knifes if they caught you cheating on them. i saw some nasty pictures ones from a friend of mine working in the police where that described had happened. omg.

and not to speak of my regular gf in norway. she is the one i lie to the most. but so far i have not beeing caught. she is by the way norwegian / philly and i hope they are much calmer if they find out.

i have 3 ground rules as a mongorer: i never pay as in sponsoring a girl, i smile and i treat them nicely (escept from lying that is of course. but just a few know i am lying).

any fellow mongorers out there doing a fair share of lying as your usual bangkok / los routine? just wondering.

[QUOTE=John Dust; 1279497]Not a report, but a question. I bought Apcalis in November 2010. Most pharmacies did not carry it. Is genuine Apcalis still for sale in Bangkok? I am looking for generics. I really need a reliable retailer and I don't travel via India. I cannot believe that cheap stuff is not available.

Is it still available here?

If not, what other generics are? I've not used Viagra / Kamagra recently.

Any suggestions?

Even a point in a general direction is most appreciated.[/QUOTE]My suggestion is to eat well, workout, get your ass in shape, and you won't need that shit anymore.

[QUOTE=John Dust; 1279497]Not a report, but a question. I bought Apcalis in November 2010. Most pharmacies did not carry it. Is genuine Apcalis still for sale in Bangkok? I am looking for generics. I really need a reliable retailer and I don't travel via India. I cannot believe that cheap stuff is not available.

Is it still available here?

If not, what other generics are? I've not used Viagra / Kamagra recently.

Any suggestions?

Even a point in a general direction is most appreciated.[/QUOTE]Hi, a more direct response to your question is Cappra. I tried it recently and was very impressed, apparently it is herbal based and not chemical. It only has an effect when you are stimulated and takes around 30 minutes to kick in, so you do'nt have the worry of walking round with a trouser truncheon for 4 hours. The friend who reccomended it to me said it has a positive effect on the lady, which I found hard to believe, but his claim seemed to hold water when put to the test as the lady I was with at the time was beyond the realms of enthusiastic (even gave me a first class BBBJ for almost 30 minutes). The "friend" who gave me the capsule to try said he bought them from a pharmacy located within a 7/11 store and paid 1, 200 baht for a pack of 5 capsules (he originally asked for Ciallis but they did'nt have any and suggested Cappra). I personally think any stimulants should not be used on a regular basis, but that choice is left to the individual user. I for one will certainly have a pack on stand-by. If you decide to try it I sincerely doubt you will be dissapointed,"enjoy".

Regards BJ

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1279623]My suggestion is to eat well, workout, get your ass in shape, and you won't need that shit anymore.[/QUOTE]Unless of course you had had some medical work done on your prostate which entailed the cutting of some nerves on the penis to access the prostate. And then yes you do need that shit anymore. And yes life is very good thanks to these very helpful little chemicals!

Most guys I know here who use stimulants take Kamagra. It is an Indian rip-off of Viagra and I have heard nothing but good things from guys. Comes in pill and gel form and most seem to go the gel route. Can't quite recall the price but very inexpensive and available in most pharmacies in the Nana area I believe.

[QUOTE=John Dust; 1279497]Not a report, but a question. I bought Apcalis in November 2010. Most pharmacies did not carry it. Is genuine Apcalis still for sale in Bangkok? I am looking for generics. I really need a reliable retailer and I don't travel via India. I cannot believe that cheap stuff is not available.

Is it still available here?

If not, what other generics are? I've not used Viagra / Kamagra recently.

Any suggestions?

Even a point in a general direction is most appreciated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1277998]Coming from the Phils, I'm not goign to suggest the beach since Boracay is the worlds top beach destination.

Oh, have you tried Dr BJ? I guess that's the only Mongering thing left?[/QUOTE]Hi. Well whilst I know this is a sex forum (after 2, 500 posts I figure I know this LOL) but have to make a slight disagreement here. Boracay is becoming oversold, noisy and full of Koreans. The top beach destination, if beach is the criteria, is The Seychelles. Best beaches in the world. And being a former French colony, as well as former Brit colony, it has some interesting visitors. But sadly. Zero sex unless its with the wife.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1279449]I live with a gal. When I hit a venue I want a gal to service me like a porn star / girlfriend right off the bat, then I want to get out of there after I have popped twice. Don't want to woo and romance. Just want the intense sex. That is why I am paying and not out catting around.[/QUOTE]I agree totally.

[QUOTE=John Dust; 1279497]Not a report, but a question. I bought Apcalis in November 2010. Most pharmacies did not carry it. Is genuine Apcalis still for sale in Bangkok? I am looking for generics. I really need a reliable retailer and I don't travel via India. I cannot believe that cheap stuff is not available.

Is it still available here?

If not, what other generics are? I've not used Viagra / Kamagra recently.

Any suggestions?

Even a point in a general direction is most appreciated.[/QUOTE]-

Well, the drug should be still available in BKK. I recently (2 or 3 months ago) bought some Apcalis at a drugstore in Sukhumvit.

If you know the intersection Sukhumvit / soi 4 Nana you remember a bezin station at the corner. Walking to JW Marriott Hotel you at first see a money changer, then a small drugstore will follow. Proceed to the next entrance of a larger (!) Drugstore. There you will find anything you may want.

Enjoy and make the girls happy.

FV

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1279623]My suggestion is to eat well, workout, get your ass in shape, and you won't need that shit anymore.[/QUOTE]How do you know? Maybe the guy's 75?

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1279664]Hi, a more direct response to your question is Cappra. I tried it recently and was very impressed, apparently it is herbal based and not chemical. It only has an effect when you are stimulated and takes around 30 minutes to kick in, so you do'nt have the worry of walking round with a trouser truncheon for 4 hours. The friend who reccomended it to me said it has a positive effect on the lady, which I found hard to believe, but his claim seemed to hold water when put to the test as the lady I was with at the time was beyond the realms of enthusiastic (even gave me a first class BBBJ for almost 30 minutes). The "friend" who gave me the capsule to try said he bought them from a pharmacy located within a 7/11 store and paid 1, 200 baht for a pack of 5 capsules (he originally asked for Ciallis but they did'nt have any and suggested Cappra). I personally think any stimulants should not be used on a regular basis, but that choice is left to the individual user. I for one will certainly have a pack on stand-by. If you decide to try it I sincerely doubt you will be dissapointed,"enjoy".

Regards BJ[/QUOTE]Great Post and Good advice. I will research this on Google. And maybe try one but I am too young for that so I am scared of enhancing what works well already

I talked with number 55 at Rainbow 4 a few months ago, and she asked for 2500. I declined. I remember another member of this forum reporting the same.

2 days ago she was looking at me a lot so I called her over, this time she accepted 2000. I didn't have a good feeling about what was coming, but still went ahead, she is cute.

Once at the hotel it quickly turned into my worst experience in Thailand. She started to complain immediately, and honest to God I wasn't doing anything except lay there. A BJ over 2 minutes was not acceptable to her. After a few more minutes of complaining about nothing, I gently told her she was in the wrong line of work, and stopped the session.

I went back to Rainbow. I explained the situation to the mamasan. I asked for my barfine back. I had no hopes it would work, but wanted to see what would happen. She told me she knew I was a regular, but that she didn't care. She told me to come back the next day, she wanted to hear her girl's story first. She claimed she didn't have the girl's phone number (whatever!).

I live close, so I did go back the next day out of curiosity. The mamasan said nothing except that I wouldn't get it back, and she walked off.

I won't be back at Rainbow 4 for a long while.

So avoid 55. And maybe avoid Rainbow 4 altogether. They are so popular now, they do not care about customers, they have enough people walking in every day. If you are a regular there, tell the mamasan about this review, maybe it could make her think twice about ripping off regulars.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1279804]I talked with number 55 at Rainbow 4 a few months ago, and she asked for 2500. I declined. I remember another member of this forum reporting the same.

2 days ago she was looking at me a lot so I called her over, this time she accepted 2000. I didn't have a good feeling about what was coming, but still went ahead, she is cute.

Once at the hotel it quickly turned into my worst experience in Thailand. She started to complain immediately, and honest to God I wasn't doing anything except lay there. A BJ over 2 minutes was not acceptable to her. After a few more minutes of complaining about nothing, I gently told her she was in the wrong line of work, and stopped the session.[/QUOTE]If a girl is asking for 2500, something's off with her.

There's no shortage of cute girls. Just move to the next one.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1277994]I rarely contribute to this forum, as my knowledge of Thailand pales next to Nic and some of the other regular contributors. I live in the Philippines and only get to LOS a couple of times a year, with one of those times coming up later this week. I used to lurk on this forum prior to trips to pick up information on the latest scene. However, I'm sick of the bars, not at all into the Go Go scene, and massage parlors have nothing new to show to me. Hoping to glean some information on new places, or at least some that remained undiscovered for me, I've read back several pages prior to making the trip. Without intending to flame anyone, it doesn't seem to me that there's nearly as much information here as I remember a few years ago. Guess I'll have to launch a voyage of self-discovery. GE[/QUOTE]GE, if you are 'sick of the bars, not at all into the Go Go scene, and massage parlors' there is not much left to the BKK nightlife scene except perhaps the G-Clubs. If you have never been to any, I suggest you stop by the Maiake Club for an hour or two. I think you will find it entertaining.

I know you appreciate world class quality cuisine, so let me recommend one of my favorite restaurants in BKK – Bussaracum. It has been around a long time and is great. The lunch menu is a bargain considering the quality of the food and dinner there is a fine dining experience I know you will enjoy it.

[url]http://www.bussaracum.com/[/url]

NB

Is there anything special with Napoleon Club in Soi 33.

They do a lot of advertisements and have a great Website.

Does anybody know?

[QUOTE=GentleBoner; 1279821]If a girl is asking for 2500, something's off with her.

There's no shortage of cute girls. Just move to the next one.[/QUOTE]There's something off with anyone who is life and death for sixteen-dollars. If there's no shortage of people like this, that's more cute ones for someone who's not going to let 500 baht stand in the way of doing what you want.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1279804]I went back to Rainbow. I explained the situation to the mamasan. I asked for my barfine back. I had no hopes it would work, but wanted to see what would happen. She told me she knew I was a regular, but that she didn't care. She told me to come back the next day, she wanted to hear her girl's story first. She claimed she didn't have the girl's phone number (whatever!).[/QUOTE]Is that the stout lady with short hair who looks like she could play linebacker for the Chicago Bears? She's the meanest human being I've ever seen LOL

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1279804]I live close, so I did go back the next day out of curiosity. The mamasan said nothing except that I wouldn't get it back, and she walked off.

I won't be back at Rainbow 4 for a long while.[/QUOTE]Its sad. Although considering this is a business for them, I couldn't help but mention a joke on the situation. Grooms father in law on marriage day tells his son in law that the goods once delivered are non returnable, then the groom replies contract is void if seals broken!

Yes in your context it might not apply but when you think of point of view from Rainbow they are selling a product and they have no concern on its performance. Once it leaves their door they are least bothered. We have no choice but to live with it! Even considering the fact you wrote that people should go tell her this when they go to Rainbow still whats the use? The guys would be barfining girls anyway and business continues to be good so why would she bother?

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1279804]If you are a regular there, tell the mamasan about this review, maybe it could make her think twice about ripping off regulars.[/QUOTE]Are you seriously suggesting she would give a Fuck? That working girl would not even think twice about it.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1279804]I talked with number 55 at Rainbow 4 a few months ago, and she asked for 2500. I declined. I remember another member of this forum reporting the same.

2 days ago she was looking at me a lot so I called her over, this time she accepted 2000. I didn't have a good feeling about what was coming, but still went ahead, she is cute.

Once at the hotel it quickly turned into my worst experience in Thailand. She started to complain immediately, and honest to God I wasn't doing anything except lay there. A BJ over 2 minutes was not acceptable to her. After a few more minutes of complaining about nothing, I gently told her she was in the wrong line of work, and stopped the session.

I went back to Rainbow. I explained the situation to the mamasan. I asked for my barfine back. I had no hopes it would work, but wanted to see what would happen. She told me she knew I was a regular, but that she didn't care. She told me to come back the next day, she wanted to hear her girl's story first. She claimed she didn't have the girl's phone number (whatever!).

I live close, so I did go back the next day out of curiosity. The mamasan said nothing except that I wouldn't get it back, and she walked off.

I won't be back at Rainbow 4 for a long while.

So avoid 55. And maybe avoid Rainbow 4 altogether. They are so popular now, they do not care about customers, they have enough people walking in every day. If you are a regular there, tell the mamasan about this review, maybe it could make her think twice about ripping off regulars.[/QUOTE]I certainly hope you did not give her the 2000 baht. I would have given her 100 baht and told her to hit the door. Don't pay for poor performance. If you do the girls will continue to get away with as little as they can. I always explain to the girl that I expect her to service me like a gal does in a "sex movie" or like her boyfriend who she really loves. If the service is not up to par, I get up, put my clothes on, leave 100 baht, and I am on my way. Seems more and more girls are not providing good service.

[quote=nicfrenchy; 1279924]are you seriously suggesting she would give a fuck? that.

[b]working girl[/b]would not even think twice about it.[/quote]ahahahahahaha what a crock of shit! i originally wrote wh*re but it was conveniently edited. whatever happened to freedom of speech?

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1279804]I talked with number 55 at Rainbow 4. this time she accepted 2000. I went back to Rainbow. I explained the situation to the mamasan. I asked for my barfine back.[/QUOTE]Did you pay the girl 2000? A proper response is to cancel the session as soon as possible and give her a token cancellation fee. 100-200 baht if you got to the room but didn't have sex, or maybe 300-500 if she gave you a *brief* BJ without finish. The token fee is not because she deserved it, but to close the transaction in her mind and prevent future trouble for non-payment.

Asking the mamasan for your barfine back is not worth the aggravation of trying. As you know, a Thai would never give you back money you paid. Moreover, even if the mamasan somehow had the good will to give you the barfine back, girl's performance is something she can't change, and she doesn't want to aggravate an employee bringing in good money in drinks and barfines (good looking girls are scarce these days in the industry, unlike in the past).

Bangkok scene is not at its best at the moment and I think you need a lot of luck finding good girls. Of course that depends on what you are looking for and how much you are paying (all the women cost us money one way or another). Like the Norwegian guy writing here I have also done my DIA and Thaifriendly meeting but not with good luck. Everything has happened. Once I got a number from a sweet and pretty girl and then I called her. First she didn't realise who I was but then it became clear to her once I told I was from that dating site. Later I fould out that I had talked to her "sister" and to our meeting she brought this pretty girl of hers who didn't speak English a word. So her "sister" had only been pimping her in DIA. I guess maybe I could have taken her into my room to have sex but did not feel like it.

In DIA and Thaifriendly many girls are street girls or bar girls. I know one who I first met on the street and then a few months later she had ended up working in a gogo bar. Later I found her profile on these sites. Many DIA girls want to meet you at 1am or 2am, which probably means that they are released from their bars at that time. No good girls. I have also met some DIA girls, who work in massage parlours. One of them was quitting in a special massage place and was really good looking and nice. I could have married her but she had 1 child already and I am looking for a single unmarried girl with no children. Looks like all the good looking ones already have been married to thai men, had baby and then of course thai men have gone and these girls end up on dating sites to look for a falang to support their family.

Now you can already guess that I have been looking for a good girl, wife material. But in reality these girls don't hang around on dating sites I think. They see doing that disrespectful. The good girls can't tell their friends that they have met their husbands on the internet I think. Finding a good girl seems impossible. Or I think you need a lot of luck and more than 5 weeks holiday per year. You need to live in Thailand. Good girls dont do sex the first time and if you come to Thailand twice a year you need to wait for 6 months to have sex with her maybe on your 2nd trip. Not good because I think you can tell the first time you have sex if the relationship is going to work or not.

After all, I am in BKK a few days, what is a good massage parlour or a soapie around sukh these days? I just concentrate on having fun this time. No stress about meeting or finding good girls. I think gogos are ripoffs mostly. They concentrate on Japanese customers throwing their money away. You see them sitting on the first row putting money in the girls pants and looking at the dancers like they were drugged. Easy money and tips for girls and this raises the prices for everyone, which leads to bkk scene getting worse and worse.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1279952]I think you need a lot of luck and more than 5 weeks holiday per year. You need to live in Thailand.[/quote]Yes, that is very true, living here increases your chances dramatically.

[quote]Good girls dont do sex the first time and if you come to Thailand twice a year you need to wait for 6 months to have sex with her maybe on your 2nd trip. Not good because I think you can tell the first time you have sex if the relationship is going to work or not.[/quote]Not true, most girls I met online (and I met a lot) had sex with me the first day / night we met. It's all in the story / technique you use.
And they are regular Thai girls with a job, not hookers

[quote]Now you can already guess that I have been looking for a good girl, wife material. But in reality these girls don't hang around on dating sites I think. They see doing that disrespectful. The good girls can't tell their friends that they have met their husbands on the internet I think. Finding a good girl seems impossible.[/quote]Wrong, completely untrue. There are many very respectable ladies on Dating sites, in thai culture there is nothing disrespectful about going on a dating site or saying you met online. I have met a lot of interesting girls from every "class" from Dating sites (not Hi-so obviously) and many were looking for long term relationships, serious relationships / marriage.

Some of my ex-Staff were on dating sites, the lady was really good looking, serious, hard working and looking for real love on these sites. Girls will be girls and boys will be boys. I think this picture says it all

[quote=nicfrenchy;1279926]ahahahahahaha what a crock of shit! i originally wrote wh*re but it was conveniently edited. whatever happened to freedom of speech?[/quote]that's one word that is never let to appear here. and nothing to complain about either. consider what comes up on a google search, and we ought to be thankful for an administration here that knows what it's doing.

[quote=harold444; 1280034]don't let mr nic get you down pekk. if you notice nic has to use technique to get the online chicks-translatiion-he has to lie like a jackal to get them to do what he wants.

nic is a god in his own mind- he sees what others just don't see. and he will tell you you are the idiot. lol.[/quote]h444, not quite, i also, like you, pay for sex when i want to do p4p, but my message was, if you're going to visit thailand for a short period of time, why try the hard and sometimes non-rewarding way of non p4p? going to a massage / bar / gogo is much easier.

according to peekakoo's description of himself, he is young, nice looking and not fat so he should not have so many problems finding a girl in any country.

now tell me, when was the last time you contributed something to isg? i mean, a real review or helped a fellow forum member?

you see, i post a lot of shit here [i admit it], i also like to push some people's buttons here or rant [i admit that too], but i also like to think that sometimes i post things that are useful. i guess it balances out.

what have you posted that was meaningful lately?

I was trolling the lower Sukhumvit last night with a Friend and he wanted to play some pool.

We went to NEW WAVE on soi 7 but the place was too crowded and smokey so we left. Since we were at Soi 7, we checked out the Beergarden and it really brought a big smile on my face: It did not change one bit (customers / girls wise I mean).

One just needs to read Evel Penivel's old report to get the true flavor of what the BG7 is:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1971-2005-Bangkok-Reports&p=401692&highlight=purgatory#post401692[/url]

We moved to this place on soi 4 that had real pool tables and there were a couple hot waitresses in there. The girls were here to put the balls back on the table between games but seeing the way they were flirting, they gave the impression that they were "Available". We were not interested to know more though.

Took a cab to Ratchada area and up to my friend's favourite place: POSEIDON.

Now making a trip there just reminded me of how much I don't like soapies and fishbowls.

Going up that ramp and seeing all the girls sitting there, oblivious to what was happening outside and watching TV.

Some girl was deep into another girl's hair, watching like a hawk and hoping to see something in there. What was she looking for? White Hair or Head Lice? I am not sure I want to know the answer to that.

Girls looked really average, none above a 5 (my standards) and I think all of them could be sitting in Cupidy, would not make a difference.

My friend took this girl who looked either Bored or on Sleeping Pills and was pushing me to choose one but I declined.

Seems to me that either some places stayed the same as a couple years ago, or went backwards.

Where are all the pretty girls?

Why would Poseidon be his favorite? I think it's awful. You should have left him and walked to Copa Cabanna next door, it's much better.

Finding good hot girls in LOS is very similar to college football recruiting. Schools like USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Texas, and Oklahoma are going to get their blue chip recruits no matter what, every kid growing up wants to play for a powerhouse and play in the spotlight. Just like rich hansum Thai dudes can have their pick of the litter with the hottest Thai babes, because they're already so desirable they really don't have to do as much. Not saying the foreigner can't get their share of good girls, but ya going to have to think outside the box and take different angles and not be lazy. The best the falang can aspire to be is a Boise St.the annoying little school they got a good program, on the fringe of the BCS, but will never really compete with the big boys LOL.

From what I'm hearing from the Thai girls on online dating sites, many falang got to step up their game and stop being perv! Do not ask for sex chat or to see them naked on webcam . I know a few of you are guilty of this LOL. Do not show shirtless pics of you trying to show off your muscles, unlike western chicks, thai girls arent into beefcakes or rugged types.

Try to be more creative than."hello you are beautiful, my name is Ernie, nice to meet you I have picture of my cock want to see? LOL

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1279893]Is that the stout lady with short hair who looks like she could play linebacker for the Chicago Bears? She's the meanest human being I've ever seen LOL[/QUOTE]

No, long wavy hair. She doesn't look mean. And she isn't mean but confused about what her job is. She works as a hooker and doesn't understand that doing a BJ for more than 2 minutes is one of the basic requirements.

Wait, were you talking about the mamasan? Ah yes, that's not a bad description.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1279925]I certainly hope you did not give her the 2000 baht. I would have given her 100 baht and told her to hit the door.[/QUOTE]Of course not. I gave her nothing. I don't see why I should give her 100 or 500 like Crocodile suggested. I just paid 600 baths barfine for her and the session is over after 5 minutes, that's enough for me. I tip for great performance, not for awful performance.

She did not even try asking for money by the way. She knew her performance wasn't acceptable. She was just surprised to get a customer who didn't do as she wanted.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1279922]I've said it before. You are paying for a girls look at agogo bars.[/QUOTE]I disagree. I almost always have a good time with gogo girls.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1279924]Are you seriously suggesting she would give a Fuck? That working girl would not even think twice about it.[/QUOTE]I don't think a girl can keep giving a terrible performance for weeks if customers actually come back and complain about it. Eventually they'll ask her to improve or let her go.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1280065]Why would Poseidon be his favorite? I think it's awful. You should have left him and walked to Copa Cabanna next door, it's much better.[/QUOTE]Does the cops cabana have oilie option? I generally don't like sitting in the bath tub, it makes me feel like a child and I'm waiting for the chick to bust out with a rubber ducky or toy boats LOL

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1279952]Bangkok scene is not at its best at the moment and I think you need a lot of luck finding good girls. Of course that depends on what you are looking for and how much you are paying (all the women cost us money one way or another). Like the Norwegian guy writing here I have also done my DIA and Thaifriendly meeting but not with good luck. Everything has happened. Once I got a number from a sweet and pretty girl and then I called her. First she didn't realise who I was but then it became clear to her once I told I was from that dating site. Later I fould out that I had talked to her "sister" and to our meeting she brought this pretty girl of hers who didn't speak English a word. So her "sister" had only been pimping her in DIA. I guess maybe I could have taken her into my room to have sex but did not feel like it.[/QUOTE]Let me get this straight, because I could have the story wrong. I believe you're saying you got a number from a "sweet and pretty girl". Then you called, and it turned out out the girl you were talking to was only "pimping" her "pretty" non english speaking sister? Then you say you could have had sex with her, but "didn't feel like it"

And your complaining? I mean if that isn't proof of the upside down reality of Bangkok. You better it enjoy it while it lasts because Thailand will eventually become completely westernized and most of the women could turn into ballbusting man hating feminists.

Unless you're saying a pretty girl was on a web site "pimping" her ugly sister?

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1279804]So avoid 55. And maybe avoid Rainbow 4 altogether. They are so popular now, they do not care about customers, they have enough people walking in every day. If you are a regular there, tell the mamasan about this review, maybe it could make her think twice about ripping off regulars.[/QUOTE]Yes I do recall 55 looked hot. I will skip her, Thanks for the advice. However its a little unfair to paint every girl with the same brush. I have had a couple of fun girls from Rainbow 4. Maybe only a 50/50 success / disappointment rate. I do admit its a risky place for finding a really fun girl.

Meanwile I do know some very reliable fun regular girls from other venues, who even are into really enjoying their work. So I really don't need Rainbow 4.

I have always maintained Copa Cabana is a better bet than Poseidon too, and its so close. At times Copa has a quite good lineup, but still without a lot of stunners. Don't recall any bad sessions there though. Had two different girls with really big naturals that both performed quite well. No at Copa has yet reached my favourites list though. So I rate Copa as a good reliable place, without being outstanding. Poseidon I rate as rather mediocre.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1280068]Of course not. I gave her nothing. I don't see why I should give her 100 or 500 like Crocodile suggested. I just paid 600 baths barfine for her and the session is over after 5 minutes, that's enough for me. I tip for great performance, not for awful performance.[/QUOTE]Amen to that.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1280114]Yes I do recall 55 looked hot. I will skip her, Thanks for the advice. However its a little unfair to paint every girl with the same brush. I have had a couple of fun girls from Rainbow 4.[/QUOTE]No I agree. I'll avoid Rainbow because of the management's attitude, not because of that one girl. It's my first problem ever in Rainbow so I can't say it's a bad place. But in the last few months anyway I've started to go to other places where management takes better care and the girls are happy to go for 1500 ST.

What would you rate outstanding in Bangkok?

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1279857]There's something off with anyone who is life and death for sixteen-dollars. If there's no shortage of people like this, that's more cute ones for someone who's not going to let 500 baht stand in the way of doing what you want.[/QUOTE]Do you pay 2500ST frequently in gogo bars?

It's not the money. It's the attitude.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1280063]One just needs to read Evel Penivel's old report to get the true flavor of what the BG7 is:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1971-2005-Bangkok-Reports&p=401692&highlight=purgatory#post401692[/url][/QUOTE]By the way that was such a great report you reposted Frenchy. Too bad Penivel doesn't post much anymore.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1279952]Now you can already guess that I have been looking for a good girl, wife material. But in reality these girls don't hang around on dating sites I think. They see doing that disrespectful. The good girls can't tell their friends that they have met their husbands on the internet I think. Finding a good girl seems impossible. Or I think you need a lot of luck and more than 5 weeks holiday per year. You need to live in Thailand. Good girls dont do sex the first time and if you come to Thailand twice a year you need to wait for 6 months to have sex with her maybe on your 2nd trip. Not good because I think you can tell the first time you have sex if the relationship is going to work or not.[/QUOTE]You should read some of the articles on this site: [url]http://livingthai.org[/url] The guy gives advice on meeting and dating all types of Thai women. His biggest piece of advice regarding the dating sites seems to be sticking to the ones that are in Thai and may require a fee.

I think that you and I may differ strongly on what a good girl is, I see nothing wrong with sex on the first date. I really think that to find your good girl you may need to go far away from cities and head towards more remote, foreigner free areas.

I also imagine that living in Thailand would help if you want to regularly date women, but I constantly read tales of men who meet women on dating sites and only see them for the week or two they are around. The biggest key seems to be patience. I met a guy in Chiang Mai who had flown up from BKK to see a woman he met on a dating site. He confessed that he spends a lot of time on the site but can count on both hands the number of women he has met in real life from the site.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking; 1280221]You should read some of the articles on this site:

[url]http://livingthai.org[/url]

The guy gives advice on meeting and dating all types of Thai women. His biggest piece of advice regarding the dating sites seems to be sticking to the ones that are in Thai and may require a fee.[/QUOTE]Meh, yeah I had a lot of pussy from Free dating sites and did not have that many problems. However, I am not trying to get dates with 18 year old Kids, I prefer 25 as my minimum, I like a girl that knows what to do when she sees a cock.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1280229]Meh, yeah I had a lot of pussy from Free dating sites and did not have that many problems. However, I am not trying to get dates with 18 year old Kids, I prefer 25 as my minimum, I like a girl that knows what to do when she sees a cock.[/QUOTE]Ain't that the truth. I prefer gals in their late 20s. Much more fun.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1280067]Finding good hot girls in LOS is very similar to college football recruiting. Schools like USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Texas, and Oklahoma are going to get their blue chip recruits no matter what, every kid growing up wants to play for a powerhouse and play in the spotlight. Just like rich hansum Thai dudes can have their pick of the litter with the hottest Thai babes, because they're already so desirable they really don't have to do as much. Not saying the foreigner can't get their share of good girls, but ya going to have to think outside the box and take different angles and not be lazy. The best the falang can aspire to be is a Boise St. The annoying little school they got a good program, on the fringe of the BCS, but will never really compete with the big boys LOL.

From what I'm hearing from the Thai girls on online dating sites, many falang got to step up their game and stop being perv! Do not ask for sex chat or to see them naked on webcam. I know a few of you are guilty of this LOL. Do not show shirtless pics of you trying to show off your muscles, unlike western chicks, thai girls arent into beefcakes or rugged types.

Try to be more creative than."hello you are beautiful, my name is Ernie, nice to meet you I have picture of my cock want to see? LOL[/QUOTE]The last thing I want to do is put effort into wooing and romancing gals. I think many of us came over here to escape that!

There are just as many married Thai woman on the dating sites, as single girls.

The sucessful Thai man in his 30's or 40's goes for the hot piece of ass. A lazy princess, probably from upper middle class Thai parents. Perhaps, she is college educated but has never worked. Her day is filled with eating, shopping and wasting time. Fast forward a few years, by this time he has gone on to a keeping wife (gik) or whatever. However, this is Thailand. She does not divorce him, she gets even.

Her parents have money, her husband gives her money. She does not need money. She wants a fling with a falang. In time she may tell this falang the truth, maybe he will be ok with the situation or maybe they will both move on.

Now if you are living in a one room shithole on lower Sukhumvit, you don't have much chance of picking up one of these woman. However, if you have a pretty nice place these dating sites are gold mines. If you don't have a sofa, in a different room from your bed, the game is over.

[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor; 1279773]-

Well, the drug should be still available in BKK. I recently (2 or 3 months ago) bought some Apcalis at a drugstore in Sukhumvit.

If you know the intersection Sukhumvit / soi 4 Nana you remember a bezin station at the corner. Walking to JW Marriott Hotel you at first see a money changer, then a small drugstore will follow. Proceed to the next entrance of a larger (!) Drugstore. There you will find anything you may want.

Enjoy and make the girls happy.

FV[/QUOTE]Thanks to all who replied. Since it is available, I'll try said drugstores and in and around Nana. Freebiefan was correct. Some of us have medical issues.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1280114]Yes I do recall 55 looked hot. I will skip her, Thanks for the advice. However its a little unfair to paint every girl with the same brush. I have had a couple of fun girls from Rainbow 4. Maybe only a 50/50 success / disappointment rate. I do admit its a risky place for finding a really fun girl.

Meanwile I do know some very reliable fun regular girls from other venues, who even are into really enjoying their work. So I really don't need Rainbow 4.

I have always maintained Copa Cabana is a better bet than Poseidon too, and its so close. At times Copa has a quite good lineup, but still without a lot of stunners. Don't recall any bad sessions there though. Had two different girls with really big naturals that both performed quite well. No at Copa has yet reached my favourites list though. So I rate Copa as a good reliable place, without being outstanding. Poseidon I rate as rather mediocre.[/QUOTE]Is there no hands down winner, place with the stunners?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1280063]One just needs to read Evel Penivel's old report to get the true flavor of what the BG7 is:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1971-2005-Bangkok-Reports&p=401692&highlight=purgatory#post401692[/url][/QUOTE][QUOTE=Chill Out;1280218]By the way that was such a great report you reposted Frenchy. Too bad Penivel doesn't post much anymore.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the kind words, gentlemen. I hadn't thought about that report on the old Biergarten for a long time. It's interesting that BG7 hasn't changed much through the years. It's been around since the 1980s, maybe even earlier than that. When the founder passed away, his family tried to "reform" BG7 for a short while, but I guess they have given up on that idea.

Evil

[QUOTE=Oidar; 1280317]There are just as many married Thai woman on the dating sites, as single girls.

The sucessful Thai man in his 30's or 40's goes for the hot piece of ass. A lazy princess, probably from upper middle class Thai parents. Perhaps, she is college educated but has never worked. Her day is filled with eating, shopping and wasting time. Fast forward a few years, by this time he has gone on to a keeping wife (gik) or whatever. However, this is Thailand. She does not divorce him, she gets even.

Her parents have money, her husband gives her money. She does not need money. She wants a fling with a falang. In time she may tell this falang the truth, maybe he will be ok with the situation or maybe they will both move on.

Now if you are living in a one room shithole on lower Sukhumvit, you don't have much chance of picking up one of these woman. However, if you have a pretty nice place these dating sites are gold mines. If you don't have a sofa, in a different room from your bed, the game is over.[/QUOTE]At what point in your online flirtations with women does the subject of the location of your sofa usually come up?

Since we are on the topic of chatting up women for sex, I got these from girls last night. Some fun times and some very daring girls.

I got one girl to invite me to her place within 4 minutes of camming.

You got to love Thailand

I think the TRUE key to success in online dating is to be patient (obviously that only really works if you live here).

A German guy I know taught me this and I consider him to be the supreme master of online dating.

It is definitely true that you can laid on the first date but if you play the long game you will, within about 4 to 6 weeks become absolutely inundated with girls, literally one every day is very achievable.

His advice to me was to never aim for sex on the first date and to completely delete that thought from your mind. His approach was to build a massive portfolio of women that had become curious about him and that he would aim to sleep with on the second date after some sms back and forth after first meeting.

This guy had spreadsheets to keep track. He even had predesignated meeting points where he could view the meeting point from a location where he couldn't be seen and if the girl didn't look like her pictures he would just leave.

Make sure you have a meeting place close to where you work or live and don't go to the meeting point until they turn up because they will ALWAYS be late and you will waste hours of your life that way. Make them wait instead.

Never meet for Dinner or Lunch as it is too big of a commitment from both sides and expenses will soon add up. Starbucks gets expensive if you are meeting 2 or 3 girls per day so aim for those really nice Thai style coffee shops that most areas have.

Just some thoughts in case you are thinking about getting into the online dating scene.

I met my wife online and can confirm that it definitely does not hold any stigma at all in Thailand or Asia in general. She is a lovely girl, works in finance and her family do ok for themselves and there are no "support" requests for her or her family and never will be. For all intents and purposes it is just a completely normal relationship. There are PLENTY of nice girls online that make good marriage material.

I will say though that it helps if you have a lot of experience in Thailand and know the signs to look for in terms of not so good marriage material vs marriage material.

Hope this helps a bit

Are G-Clubs like Forte, Pent, Sherbet worth the while for mongering action, or is it a keep-you-company kinda place?

Looks fun though

[QUOTE=GentleBoner;1280413]At what point in your online flirtations with women does the subject of the location of your sofa usually come up?[/QUOTE]LOL.

I think it must be way easier to pick up civilian (non P4P) ladies in LOS than places like the USA & UK.

Even without knowing the lingo.

Way too much work, though, unless the hunt turns you on, or your ego is so fragile as to need constant boosting.

After all, time is money.

And chatting with a female, third world or not, is my idea of misery. Instead give me a great action or comedy flick any day, or even something intelligent to read.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1280436]His advice to me was to never aim for sex on the first date and to completely delete that thought from your mind. His approach was to build a massive portfolio of women that had become curious about him and that he would aim to sleep with on the second date after some sms back and forth after first meeting.

This guy had spreadsheets to keep track. He even had predesignated meeting points where he could view the meeting point from a location where he couldn't be seen and if the girl didn't look like her pictures he would just leave.[/QUOTE]Honestly? If I were to write a book on online dating, what you quoted above from your friend would be on my list of things Not to do.

Huge portfolio? Spreadsheet? Rely on Pictures and hide like a 15 year old to see who the girl is? Not for me. That is a total waste of time.

You need to research properly, talk only with the girls YOU are interested in, Always CAM before any meeting to avoid surprises and always bring the conversation to Naughty stuff (yes, there is a way to bring it up as not to offend the lady). With all that, you get laid on the first date. Hell, I never meet a girl in a public place, she comes to my room on the first date.

I guess different people have different ways.

Spreadsheets. Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha now I have heard it all

Great advice from Frenchy.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1280487]Always CAM before any meeting to avoid surprises[/QUOTE]This is important, pics lie but cams don't. I would even say, cam as quickly as you can before you invest time in chatting.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1280487]Honestly? If I were to write a book on online dating, what you quoted above from your friend would be on my list of things Not to do.

Huge portfolio? Spreadsheet? Rely on Pictures and hide like a 15 year old to see who the girl is? Not for me. That is a total waste of time.

You need to research properly, talk only with the girls YOU are interested in, Always CAM before any meeting to avoid surprises and always bring the conversation to Naughty stuff (yes, there is a way to bring it up as not to offend the lady). With all that, you get laid on the first date. Hell, I never meet a girl in a public place, she comes to my room on the first date.

I guess different people have different ways.

Spreadsheets. Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha now I have heard it all[/QUOTE]Wrong. Totally wrong.

The amount of time needed to cam is extremely time consuming.

If you knew anything at all you would know that THE prime time for online dating is afternoon's between 3pm and 5pm when women are bored at work and they are not going to Cam at work.

Ignore the "work" crowd and you are missing out on about 50% to 60% of girls online...

Nic I think you are one of those fools that have the worst of all worlds. Spending your time chasing hookers online!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1280417]Since we are on the topic of chatting up women for sex, I got these from girls last night. Some fun times and some very daring girls.

I got one girl to invite me to her place within 4 minutes of camming.

You got to love Thailand[/QUOTE]Chatting up girls or sitting at home beating off to web cam pictures all night;)

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1280502]Chatting up girls or sitting at home beating off to web cam pictures all night;)[/QUOTE]Same old Nic Frenchy of old. Nothing useful to say apart from his usual acid queen comments. I don't think I have ever seen a useful peice of information posted by you on this forum. Just the usual holier than thou stuff while you sit at home beating off to web cam pictures and posting ENDLESS numbers of meaning less posts on here :)

Holy shit!

Things are finally starting to get interesting around here!

Let's hear more, gentlemen. I can't believe you are so far apart in your thinking, but I guess what works for one might not work for another yet the result might be the same.

Amazing!

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1280436]I think the TRUE key to success in online dating is to be patient (obviously that only really works if you live here).

A German guy I know taught me this and I consider him to be the supreme master of online dating.

It is definitely true that you can laid on the first date but if you play the long game you will, within about 4 to 6 weeks become absolutely inundated with girls, literally one every day is very achievable.

His advice to me was to never aim for sex on the first date and to completely delete that thought from your mind. His approach was to build a massive portfolio of women that had become curious about him and that he would aim to sleep with on the second date after some sms back and forth after first meeting.

This guy had spreadsheets to keep track. He even had predesignated meeting points where he could view the meeting point from a location where he couldn't be seen and if the girl didn't look like her pictures he would just leave.

Hope this helps a bit[/QUOTE][QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1280487]Honestly? If I were to write a book on online dating, what you quoted above from your friend would be on my list of things Not to do.

Huge portfolio? Spreadsheet? Rely on Pictures and hide like a 15 year old to see who the girl is? Not for me. That is a total waste of time.

You need to research properly, talk only with the girls YOU are interested in, Always CAM before any meeting to avoid surprises and always bring the conversation to Naughty stuff (yes, there is a way to bring it up as not to offend the lady). With all that, you get laid on the first date. Hell, I never meet a girl in a public place, she comes to my room on the first date.

Spreadsheets. Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha now I have heard it all[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1280501]Wrong. Totally wrong.

The amount of time needed to cam is extremely time consuming.

Nic I think you are one of those fools that have the worst of all worlds. Spending your time chasing hookers online![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1280487]You need to research properly, talk only with the girls YOU are interested in, Always CAM before any meeting to avoid surprises and always bring the conversation to Naughty stuff (yes, there is a way to bring it up as not to offend the lady). With all that, you get laid on the first date. Hell, I never meet a girl in a public place, she comes to my room on the first date.

L[/QUOTE]This technique will see your conversion rate drop dramatically. It works but the long game technique is for the true professionals who properly understand the Thai's and understand the rules of conversion.

Your loss.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1280503]Same old Nic Frenchy of old. Nothing useful to say apart from his usual acid queen comments. I don't think I have ever seen a useful peice of information posted by you on this forum. Just the usual holier than thou stuff while you sit at home beating off to web cam pictures and posting ENDLESS numbers of meaning less posts on here :)[/QUOTE][url]Aaawww[/url] Did I strike a nerve boy? No need to get all worked up by yourself, just makes me smile is all. If you would know me, you'd know post count don't mean shit, and if I did not anything useful then put me on "Ignore" so you won't have to see me.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1280512]Holy shit!

Things are finally starting to get interesting around here!

Let's hear more, gentlemen. I can't believe you are so far apart in your thinking, but I guess what works for one might not work for another yet the result might be the same.

Amazing![/QUOTE]Hahaha. Its true though that the technique Nic F is talking about can work but it does DRAMATICALLY reduce your chances. It is the exact same technique I used before my friend enlightened me to the correct way.

In the first technique you will spend hours online chatting and camming (which Nc seems to spend his life doing) before you get a live one. In the long game it will take about 4 to 6 weeks to build to critical mass at which point you will have an INSANE amount of pussy.

Once I discovered the second technique it was like putting turbo boosters on online dating...it was like going from Kindergarten to University (no pun intended).

Seriously ask yourself how many girls there are online that will cam, come to your home and fuck you on the first date (here or anyhwere in the world). Yes for sure they exist but they are few and far between.

Now ask yourself how many girls would come for a coffee with a polite businessman that has shown an interest with them. And if you had the right attitude and demeanor then how many of those could you then "convert"

Its two totally different techniques. One is amateurish and wouldn't get you any better results than anywhere else in the world. The second is the pro approach that fully leverages the intricacies of the Thai culture and mindset.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1280514]This technique will see your conversion rate drop dramatically. It works but the long game technique is for the true professionals who properly understand the Thai's and understand the rules of conversion.your loss.[/QUOTE]There is a high unemployment rate worldwide and it is very true one has to find new jobs, be creative, invent something. But if we have to transform dating on line into a sort of "profession" to get freebies or nearly freebies (nothing's free, we all know that) , oh well. I prefer to stick to the rule "pay them to leave". I don't dispute it is nicer not to have an hardcore professional hooker, all business oriented, time watcher, whose only mission to make you come is that once you are done with that, she is also done with you. I agree enjoy some time together with a girl on a semi-date, having a dinner or few drinks is valuable too. But, men, spreadsheets, profiling, record and all that, I leave it to Langley Virginia.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1280514]This technique will see your conversion rate drop dramatically. It works but the long game technique is for the true professionals who properly understand the Thai's and understand the rules of conversion.

Your loss.[/QUOTE]Do you even know what conversion rate is? Or you need a spreadsheet? Conversion? What is this some kind of game? Who's got the bigger conversion has the bigger dick? How old are you 5?

Have you even done some internet dating? Or you are just swallowing all of what your friend tells you and post it here?

In my opinion, it's not about conversion at all, I'm just happy to meet good looking women for sex. Simple as that, no numbers, statistics. I leave this to the kids.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1280522]Do you even know what conversion rate is? Or you need a spreadsheet? Conversion? What is this some kind of game? Who's got the bigger conversion has the bigger dick? How old are you 5?

Have you even done some internet dating? Or you are just swallowing all of what your friend tells you and post it here?

In my opinion, it's not about conversion at all, I'm just happy to meet good looking women for sex. Simple as that, no numbers, statistics. I leave this to the kids.[/QUOTE]Nic don't blame me that you are still applying Western style methods In Thailand. Its a shame you have been unable to understand the culture in Thailand and leverage your time here to it's full potential

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1280524]Nic don't blame me that you are still applying Western style methods In Thailand. Its a shame you have been unable to understand the culture in Thailand and leverage your time here to it's full potential[/QUOTE]Actually, it's quite the Opposite, I use a THAI site, all written in THAI where young THAI people meet for a good time.

Matter of fact, Met a lovely girl last night, we started chatting via MSN at 22:35 and by 22:39 she gave me her address and number.

You see, I use Tagged, Camfrog, TLL for the long con, but there are a few THAI sites where girls (mostly 20 24) are really bored and want to meet guys, but you need to know how to read and write Thai

THAI Pickup website. Works wonders

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1280528]THAI Pickup website. Works wonders[/QUOTE]Big deal. Another of your silly screen shots that mean nothing.

More meaningless drivel to add to your 3, 600 other posts of holier than thou nonsense

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1280512]Holy shit!

Things are finally starting to get interesting around here!

Let's hear more, gentlemen. I can't believe you are so far apart in your thinking, but I guess what works for one might not work for another yet the result might be the same.

Amazing![/QUOTE]I think it would be better to move the conversation to GENERAL section or probably create another forum to discuss as it would apply to how or not to work your way upto Non Pros! On this sub forum probably more of us are interested to read about new places in Bangkok or reviews on existing with discoveries made by fellow mongers!

Not another sub forum, please.

Just as with any activity, there are many ways to skin a cat. Both methods would work, it depends how much structure you want to have and how serious you want to be. I couldn't be bothered with doing spreadsheets either.

Obstacles to dating good Thai girls:

They work ALOT. Most work 6 days a week and not only will you be competing against other dudes, you'll be competing for their spare time, which they'll often want to spend with their friends and family or they'll simply be too tired to go out.

Many not speak good Engrish! I've met a few hot live ones and their English was terrible and it became too awkward and frustrating. So learn your thai guy! Haha.

The better looking girls get tons of messages on these sites. I saw my Gik's mailbox on her Tagged account and there was maybe 30 messages in one day. Probably more. She simply deleted all of them. You want to stand out, you better be quite a compelling character.

MANY, especially the smoking hot party girls you see at RCA / Siam Square / Thong lo have NO intention of meeting falang dudes! You might get a nibble here and there, its not out of the realm of possibility, but they're generally bored or prefer to meet Thai dudes.

Some have no intention of finding a boyfriend on these sites and only want to improve their Engrish. Perhaps you could lure one of them into the friendly confines of your house, but more often than not, it's just a dead end.

Some good girls not really good girls! If her schedule is wide open, chances are she's not such a good girl!

It takes time and effort to get quality girls. Sure any Joe Blow or overweight English teacher can get a 35+ year old with horrible stretch marks. 3 kids, a previous Thai husband who did nothing but beat her and drink whiskey all day, and saggy tits to make a quick rendevous. Not much demand for them!

Thai girls are generally shy, especially if they haven't been around too many falang. I was working on one gal from Thai Friendly, a 26 year old cute thai / Chinese mix, goes to RCA often, while she's interested to hook up, she's somewhat of an airhead, and very shy to meet.

Girls that are too eager to meet right away are desperate and almost never hot. No girl worth her salt will meet right away.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1280552]Obstacles to dating good Thai girls:

They work ALOT. Most work 6 days a week and not only will you be competing against other dudes, you'll be competing for their spare time, which they'll often want to spend with their friends and family or they'll simply be too tired to go out.

Many not speak good Engrish! I've met a few hot live ones and their English was terrible and it became too awkward and frustrating. So learn your thai guy! Haha.

The better looking girls get tons of messages on these sites. I saw my Gik's mailbox on her Tagged account and there was maybe 30 messages in one day. Probably more. She simply deleted all of them. You want to stand out, you better be quite a compelling character.

MANY, especially the smoking hot party girls you see at RCA / Siam Square / Thong lo have NO intention of meeting falang dudes! You might get a nibble here and there, its not out of the realm of possibility, but they're generally bored or prefer to meet Thai dudes.

Some have no intention of finding a boyfriend on these sites and only want to improve their Engrish. Perhaps you could lure one of them into the friendly confines of your house, but more often than not, it's just a dead end.

Some good girls not really good girls! If her schedule is wide open, chances are she's not such a good girl!

It takes time and effort to get quality girls. Sure any Joe Blow or overweight English teacher can get a 35+ year old with horrible stretch marks. 3 kids, a previous Thai husband who did nothing but beat her and drink whiskey all day, and saggy tits to make a quick rendevous. Not much demand for them!

Thai girls are generally shy, especially if they haven't been around too many falang. I was working on one gal from Thai Friendly, a 26 year old cute thai / Chinese mix, goes to RCA often, while she's interested to hook up, she's somewhat of an airhead, and very shy to meet.

Girls that are too eager to meet right away are desperate and almost never hot. No girl worth her salt will meet right away.[/QUOTE]Tony, totally agree which is why I think Nic is just so utterly wrong on the subject and has no real grasp of internet dating.

If you have a hot Thai girl that is receiving 20 or 30 messages a day and then some one comes along and says "hey lets get on the webcam, can you show me your tits, great can you come to my place now". I mean come on seriously, how far are you going to get with that approach?

You are right, all you will get with that style is the occasional desperate fat ugly girl. No good looking girl has any need to do that.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1280562]Tony, totally agree which is why I think Nic is just so utterly wrong on the subject and has no real grasp of internet dating.[/QUOTE]Tony & Bowerboy:

You guys, in your haste to trash Frenchy, missed the most important peice of information in this discussion.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Nic, but I think you said that you can speak, read, and write Thai. That, of course, gives you a tremendous advantage which can make all the difference in the world for farang success on any Internet dating site in Thailand.


[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1280526]Actually, it's quite the Opposite, I use a THAI site, all written in THAI where young THAI people meet for a good time.

You see, I use Tagged, Camfrog, TLL for the long con, but there are a few THAI sites where girls (mostly 20 24) are really bored and want to meet guys, but you need to know how to read and write Thai[/QUOTE]

The only thing I'm wondering is why he never told us that before.

Arrived in Bangkok today from Pattaya and planned to hit Dr BJ's asap. Hmm formatting keeps changing so I [B]B'd[/B] To separate the details further below.

Met the good Dr himself upon entering the salon. A very personable guy, answered a couple questions as the girls took their places by the railing and on the couches in the lower area. As he was explaining how the place worked I saw a very pretty face and my list was forgotten! Her hair was long and the way it framed her face made her look adorable. I still checked them all but kept coming back to her while talking with the Dr. I told the doc she was the one for me and waited with him while she came downstairs.

She had on a red form fitting dress that looked great on her. Small chest, slim waist, and a nice looking ass. I saw her tag said 'D' and I wondered why I didn't see her on the website. She asked my name and told me hers was Pat. I smiled and hoped she would be as good as Pat in Pattaya! I asked her if her pic was on the website and she said it was. 3rd one from top. I told her I didn't think I saw her pic but maybe she was just prettier in person. And I wasn't lying as I found out later when I checked her pic on the website! She does look prettier in person.

She took me over to a sink just like the ones in a hair salon and washed up my dick while chatting and laughing with me. I then sat down in the chair and got comfy so we could get the show on the road. She crawled up my body kissing my stomach, my chest and nips, my neck, my jaw line, all making me very horny! Her BJ was absolutely fantastic. Fast, slow, almost deepthroat, ball licking, ball sucking, the whole shabang. I knew I was in trouble when my legs started to vibrate and it wasn't long after that I busted my nut in her mouth. I warned her I was ready to shoot and she didn't slow down a bit, sucking until I was dead in the water and couldn't move.

We started chatting and laughing again as she cleaned me up before heading downstairs to pay the tab. A quick chat with the Dr and I was headed back to my hotel to write this up and then relax before tonight sets in. I will definitely return to Dr BJ's Salon.

I got back to the hotel and checked the website for her. Her hair today was styled differently and was more suited to her face. I believe this and the fact she was smiling the entire time is why she looked so different than her pics on the site. I think the good Dr will have to update her write-up as she was very affectionate with me. I had a wonderful time with her and can't say anything bad about her oral skills. She definitely deserves better than the 7. 6 she has on the website based on her performance with me today.

[B]Date of encounter: 13 May 2012[/B]

Name: D.

Age: Didn't ask.

Languages: Thai and a little english.

[B]Making Contact[/B]

How did you find her: Lineup at Dr BJ's. She is on the website though I didn't pick her from it.

Link:

[URL]http://bjbarbangkok.com/staff.html[/URL]

Did she match her pics: A little, I actually think she looks better in person than in the pics on the website. I mentioned this to Dr BJ as well.

Percentage Photoshop:

Was she on time: She was in-house.

Neighborhood: Soi 7/1.

[B]Does she or doesn't she[/B]

Anal: Didn't ask. It's a BJ bar.

Oral w or w / o: without until I popped in her mouth.

Kissing:

Any restrictions:

[B]How would you rate her[/B]

Face: 7, prettier in person than in her pics.

Tits: 6-7, small, nice nips.

Ass: 8, nicely shaped ass and looked great in her outfit.

Body: 7-8, on the whole her body was very pleasing to my eyes in her outfit. The first thing I noticed when she got in the lineup was her face and hair.

[B]Level of Service[/B]

Enthusiastic or Business-Like: Very enthusiastic! Dr BJ's write-up doesn't do her justice!

Clock Watcher: No. She didn't look at a clock or a watch at all.

Her strong point: Oral skills were very good.

Her weak point: None that I can think of in the oral skills department.

$$$ & Time: 1000 baht until the end plus a couple of drinks.

Overall Rating of Encounter: 10, I was thoroughly pleased with both D and the entire encounter, from start to finish.

Do you recommend: Highly recommended. If you had a bad BJ before go see her and get a great one!

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1280566]Tony & Bowerboy:

Correct me if I'm wrong, Nic, but I think you said that you can speak, read, and write Thai. The only thing I'm wondering is why he never told us that before.[/QUOTE]Maybe he doesn't want to tell us he works for Quai the'Orsay. (or for what is now the former address) LOL

This afternoon I took the advice of this forum and went on several dating websites. I talked to the girls on cam and recorded all their vital stats and information in a spreadsheet. While on cam I made sure the camera was pointed through the window of my bedroom directly onto the sofa in the living room, so she would be aware that my sofa is in a separate room, which usually made her really horny and interested in me.

I've had sex 8 times today with 8 different hi-so girls. Average time between the first message to her and sex was 2. 5 minutes (including travel to my place on her brand new expensive motorbike). Before leaving they all made up the room and prepared fresh condoms and refreshments for the next girl who would be arriving shortly.

Thanks to everyone for the tips.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1280539]Big deal. Another of your silly screen shots that mean nothing.

More meaningless drivel to add to your 3, 600 other posts of holier than thou nonsense[/QUOTE]Now now boy, why get so riled up boy? You need to take a chill pill or you're going to have a heart attack soon.

Is everything written on this board so important to you?

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1280566]The only thing I'm wondering is why he never told us that before.[/QUOTE]Do you write all your life on a forum where men talk about which girl they fucked and for how much? And then want try and prove they have a bigger dick?

The senior Members I met and meet when they are in Bangkok know me, who I really am and not my Internet Persona.

But anyhow, it's always fun to now and then encounter people that are deluded about what Thailand is and think that because they've been here 40 times on holiday and go to RCA and all, understand the country and its inner workings.

Thing is, No Foreigner will ever fully understand this country because they will never be let-in. Even OTH knew that. You see, I have been here a long ass time, living and working and I will never have the pretence to say I know all about Thailand, because I most certainly never will. And you know what? I am completely fine with that.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1280577]Internet Persona.[/QUOTE]Exactly :) In your case based on Fantasy. I actually think you ARE OTH. Seriously. You come across in exactly the same arrogant way and seem to spout the same non sense and with a similar amount of posts.

"is everything written on this board so important to me". No but clearly it is to you as indicated by the 3, 000 plus posts.

That post from Gentle Boner was pretty funny

[quote=bowerboy;1280578]exactly :) in your case based on fantasy. i actually think you are oth. seriously. you come across in exactly the same arrogant way and seem to spout the same non sense and with a similar amount of posts.[/quote]nah, oth was a great man which most of you did not get the chance to meet. he's a true old asia hand.

[quote]"is everything written on this board so important to me". no but clearly it is to you as indicated by the 3, 000 plus posts.[/quote]not really, could have been in the 5000 by now, seeing as i completely stopped reading / posting for 2 years. was too busy on dating sites. hahaha.

seriously dude, number of posts is meaningless to me, it's not because someone has 9000 posts that they're better than the rest.

i just like to post and take the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] out of people sometimes. some understand that and we have fun, others (like you) take it personal and it grows old quick.

[quote]that post from gentle boner was pretty funny[/quote]agreed, i almost peed myself.

[QUOTE=Horny Landoora;1280541]I think it would be better to move the conversation to GENERAL section or probably create another forum to discuss as it would apply to how or not to work your way upto Non Pros! On this sub forum probably more of us are interested to read about new places in Bangkok or reviews on existing with discoveries made by fellow mongers![/QUOTE]Ah, the Forum police!

Sorry but, we are in the Bangkok Thread are we not? So dating sites don't cover girls from Bangkok? And where is it written that we need to discuss pros only?

If this conversation is not where it's supposed to be, then I expect a moderator to move it or tell us the rules because so far, there aren't any here.

If ou need a report about Bangkok, you are welcome to enlighten us with one, I'll be waiting for your report.

Otherwise, you're just clogging the thread like the rest of us you're accusing.

Sorry if I sounded harsh, but rules are rules.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner; 1280573]I've had sex 8 times today with 8 different hi-so girls. Average time between the first message to her and sex was 2. 5 minutes (including travel to my place on her brand new expensive motorbike). Before leaving they all made up the room and prepared fresh condoms and refreshments for the next girl who would be arriving shortly.

Thanks to everyone for the tips.[/QUOTE]There is still room for improvement, as your girl should also keep you mildly aroused for the next girl and eventually get her a bit wet to facilitate the deed. But probably your spreadsheet is not sophisticated enough to include a "bi / non-bi" option. See? Not professional enough!

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1280584]There is still room for improvement, as your girl should also keep you mildly aroused for the next girl and eventually get her a bit wet to facilitate the deed. But probably your spreadsheet is not sophisticated enough to include a "bi / non-bi" option. See? Not professional enough![/QUOTE]Spreadsheet needs to include each girls name, number, brief description and where they are in the conversion funnel.

Second spread sheet to monitor results when split testing message content and message headers (ie test which messages work best for each stage of the conversion funnel). Same for sms messages.

I am serious, that is the extent we took it to. Myself, My German Friend and another American friend.

Crazy yes, obsessive compulsive yes, massive amounts of sexual activity yes, some of the craziest and best years of my life yes, regrets absolutely not!

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1280552]Obstacles to dating good Thai girls:

They work ALOT. Most work 6 days a week and not only will you be competing against other dudes, you'll be competing for their spare time, which they'll often want to spend with their friends and family or they'll simply be too tired to go out.

Many not speak good Engrish! I've met a few hot live ones and their English was terrible and it became too awkward and frustrating. So learn your thai guy! Haha.

The better looking girls get tons of messages on these sites. I saw my Gik's mailbox on her Tagged account and there was maybe 30 messages in one day. Probably more. She simply deleted all of them. You want to stand out, you better be quite a compelling character.

MANY, especially the smoking hot party girls you see at RCA / Siam Square / Thong lo have NO intention of meeting falang dudes! You might get a nibble here and there, its not out of the realm of possibility, but they're generally bored or prefer to meet Thai dudes.

Some have no intention of finding a boyfriend on these sites and only want to improve their Engrish. Perhaps you could lure one of them into the friendly confines of your house, but more often than not, it's just a dead end.

Some good girls not really good girls! If her schedule is wide open, chances are she's not such a good girl!

It takes time and effort to get quality girls. Sure any Joe Blow or overweight English teacher can get a 35+ year old with horrible stretch marks. 3 kids, a previous Thai husband who did nothing but beat her and drink whiskey all day, and saggy tits to make a quick rendevous. Not much demand for them!

Thai girls are generally shy, especially if they haven't been around too many falang. I was working on one gal from Thai Friendly, a 26 year old cute thai / Chinese mix, goes to RCA often, while she's interested to hook up, she's somewhat of an airhead, and very shy to meet.

Girls that are too eager to meet right away are desperate and almost never hot. No girl worth her salt will meet right away.[/QUOTE]Excellent post, I'd say this is all 100% true."Good" Thai girls are busy, with work, with friends, with family, and most certainly won't be hopping in the sack with you after chatting on the internet. The ones that will, take a look at their various email boxes and even furthermore at their motives. If you don't want to pursuit a committed full time relationship in this country, 'tis a million times better to fork out a bit of cash and have an endless load of fun.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1280590]Spreadsheet needs to include each girls name, number, brief description and where they are in the conversion funnel.

I am serious, that is the extent we took it to. Myself, My German Friend and another American friend.

Crazy yes, obsessive compulsive yes, massive amounts of sexual activity yes, some of the craziest and best years of my life yes, regrets absolutely not![/QUOTE]. I clearly don't do that and keep on wanking. I am old school. :)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1280583] Ah, the Forum police! Sorry but, we are in the Bangkok Thread are we not? So dating sites don't cover girls from Bangkok? And where is it written that we need to discuss pros only?
[/QUOTE]

It was just a suggestion and not accusation to anyone of misconduct or not following forum policy. Secondly am sure when you talk about THAI girls, Bangkok is just part of your acheivements. I recommended General section as this topic to me seemed apt to be discussed there.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1280583]If ou need a report about Bangkok, you are welcome to enlighten us with one, I'll be waiting for your report.
[/QUOTE]

Sure. When am there next I shall try my best to report. In meanwhile I come here to understand the scene or discover a new place like many others. Hopefully sooner I will submit a comprehensive report. And yes I hope that I can also get a non pros this time round.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1280577]You see, I have been here a long ass time, living and working and I will never have the pretence to say I know all about Thailand, because I most certainly never will. And you know what? I am completely fine with that.[/QUOTE]

Nic has been a major contributor to the MP scene since he came onto the scene back in 2007. He even claimed to be a newbie back when he first signed on! After Mick Licker and others left, Nic continued to post updates on all the hots spots.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2883-2007-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors&p=560104&viewfull=1#post560104[/url]

[read post 150].

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1280580]Nah, OTH was a great man which most of you did not get the chance to meet. He's a True Old Asia Hand.[/QUOTE]

However, but I can't disagree more with this comment. Yes, OTH was an old asian hand by virtue of having resided in the Kingdom for many years. He contributed to ISG and had many supporters.

But at the same time, he was too arrogant, and a constant whiner. He finally got caught with his hands in the cookie jar too many times and made himself 'persona non-grata' with the same hands that fed him all these years.

Was yesterday at Patpong and wanted to try a BJ-Bar, did never before. Went to Rose, only 3 girls and one uglier than the other and one old woman went on my nerves wanted a drink for a 2 minute massage at my hands. Didn't finish my bear and run out.

Stepped in kangaroo, looked much better, about 10 girls around and some didn't looked too bad, guess you can expect real good lookers at places like that. Went with one to a room, just separated by a curtain from the bar. The BJ was not good, she just wanted that I came fast, but again I don't think you can expect a good one here, I just wanted to experience.

Now one question. When I sat down, she just pulled down my Jeans and my pants, that's it. T-Shirt on. She fully dressed.

Is that only in these cheap Bar like that? How is it in the upper class BJ Bars like Dr. BJ, Lollitas, Lollipop?

Do you get naked there? T-Shirt on or off? Jeans just down or put if off? The girls, do they get naked or put the T-Shirt off? I don't want to end up that the girls in one of these places start laughing when I undress because you usually don't do it.

Please help.

By the way, it was 800 Baht

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1280562]Tony, totally agree which is why I think Nic is just so utterly wrong on the subject and has no real grasp of internet dating.

If you have a hot Thai girl that is receiving 20 or 30 messages a day and then some one comes along and says "hey lets get on the webcam, can you show me your tits, great can you come to my place now". I mean come on seriously, how far are you going to get with that approach?

You are right, all you will get with that style is the occasional desperate fat ugly girl. No good looking girl has any need to do that.[/QUOTE]Well, for what it's worth, the guy at.

[url]http://www.livingthai.org/[/url]

, who, like NicFrenchy I understand, also appears to be able to both speak and read / write Thai, has an approach that sounds much closer to NicFrenchy's than to your friend's. It does not sound like the guy has much experience or interest in bonking fat, ugly, or 25+ year old girls either. So I don't think it's logical to say that NicFrenchy's approach is uterly wrong. Clearly it works well for both him and at least one other person, who are somewhat unique in that they can read / write Thai. The livingthai-guy also indicates that the Thai online-world is full of young girls looking for sex, so I'm currently doing my best to learn Thai.

My own online-dating experience goes a couple years back, but has for the most part been a waste of time. Unfortunately, I do not know Thai, so am limited to the English-language sites. The one or two handful of times I have actually met somebody, I have however always either sexed them the the first night, or when they turned up they also turned up to be somebody I would not want to sex. In all cases where I did sex them the first night, repeat performances were available, so having sex with me on the first night does not seem to have carried any noticeable stigma. I thus see no value in your friends "holding out" on sex until the second time. What is he trying to accomplish by that? Make them think he is gay, scarred of women, or not interested? Or does he spin some fable about how the woman is "too special to him" for him to have sex with her on the first night? Why not take it a step further even, and on the second night, instead of having sex, just lay in bed holding hands and kissing lightly? Perhaps on the third night they could get naked, and on the fourth finally have sex? Really, I don't understand the point of this.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;1280640]I'm currently doing my best to learn Thai.[/quote]Very wise.

[quote]My own online-dating experience goes a couple years back, but has for the most part been a waste of time. Unfortunately, I do not know Thai, so am limited to the English-language sites.[/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of English sites that are free and work well.

The issue with THAI hook-up sites, there are many gays and ladyboys so one needs to be very careful.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234; 1280626]Nic has been a major contributor to the MP scene since he came onto the scene back in 2007. He even claimed to be a newbie back when he first signed on! After Mick Licker and others left, Nic continued to post updates on all the hots spots.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2883-2007-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors&p=560104&viewfull=1#post560104[/url]

[read post 150].

However, but I can't disagree more with this comment. Yes, OTH was an old asian hand by virtue of having resided in the Kingdom for many years. He contributed to ISG and had many supporters.

But at the same time, he was too arrogant, and a constant whiner. He finally got caught with his hands in the cookie jar too many times and made himself 'persona non-grata' with the same hands that fed him all these years.[/QUOTE]Traveler 1234,

You have been on this board for a long time and I usually agree with your contributions and opinions but regarding OTH, in due respect I can't agree with you on this issue. When I first came on this board I didn't post much but I read much of what OTH has to contribute between himself and other members. I didn't agree or disagree one way or another with his contribution and debates with other members. I just read both opinions and put it on the back burner that this was their experience and opinions. Yes! OTH, is and was a old asian hand by virtue of having resided in the Kingdom for many years. Residing in the Kingkom just like the members who he debated comes experiences, good or bad and those experiences allows not only OTH to express them but other members.

When everything was going down two years ago, I was a supporter of OTH, and I gave my many reasons to Jackson. During that period I spend hours reviewing all of OTH post and exchanges with other members. Sure he might have been arrogant but who isn't from time to time on this board? He expressed his experiences and he gave his reason each and everytime so did others but the BIG DIFFERENCE was OTH never went to Jackson because he couldn't get others to agree with him. Those are the whiners who didn't have the balls to identify themselves instead ask Jackson to do the dirty work for them they attack him personally the first opportunity they got or went to Jackson. He gave and took it as good as anyone and never went behind someones back! He lived and worked as a teacher in Thailand and like everyone everywhere gets frustrated with their jobs he vented on the board! Believe it or not he was human regardless if you agree with him or not. The same people who debated him took every opportunity when he had a bad day to atack him personally because that is all they had left! Remember when he had the confrontation with the taxi driver? If anyone got personally attacked it was him.

As noted, I went through all his post. I never read anything that required his post to be deleted by Jackson. Sure like many of us get frustrated and from time to use words that might not be fitting but it came from both sides, words like Jap, monkey, dark brown fucking machine, talking about racism but I never saw Jackson come in and delete or tongue lass those individual but OTH was approach to tone it down for his personal views and opinions. He was arrogant like all of us and he had a ego and he refuse Jackson request and offer! He was never given a chance to defend his position in the open forum and never really had a choice.

These comments aren't a referendum on Jackson, he has a tough job to do, and it doesn't help when you have splineless individuals constantly running to him whining about a member who clearly has express his opinion based on his experience with the many years of residing in Thailand. Those individual try to take that away from him and got personal when they couldn't win him over! He never got his hand caught in the cookie jar he lived and die on this board and was force out but he stayed true to himself and his convictions by walking away knowing he did nothing wrong! That is the true OTH!

The last few years I have gone back to the back burner because I have personally experience some of the things OTH contributed and I can tell you there are many Expats living in Thailand that feel as he did. How he handle it was by venting on ISG whenever the opportunity arised I myself just don't have the patience that he had. I never met the man but since his name was brought up I hope he is well no matter where he is residing!

LBM

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1280577]Do you write all your life on a forum where men talk about which girl they fucked and for how much? And then want try and prove they have a bigger dick?[/QUOTE]No, but if I knew how to speak, read and write Thai well enough to persue non-English speaking girls on a Thai web site, I probably would have mentioned that fact at some point during the last six years. Certainly it's nothing to be ashamed of and, after all, this IS a Thai related forum, right?

No need to get your panties in a bunch about it. I wasn't asking for your life story, and by the way I was defending you in case you didn't notice that.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1280662]Traveler 1234,

You have been on this board for a long time and I usually agree with your contributions and opinions but regarding OTH, in due respect I can't agree with you on this issue. When I first came on this board I didn't post much but I read much of what OTH has to contribute between himself and other members. I didn't agree or disagree one way or another with his contribution and debates with other members. I just read both opinions and put it on the back burner that this was their experience and opinions. Yes! OTH, is and was a old asian hand by virtue of having resided in the Kingdom for many years. Residing in the Kingkom just like the members who he debated comes experiences, good or bad and those experiences allows not only OTH to express them but other members.

LBM[/QUOTE]Even though I'm a newbie here, I wholeheartedly agree with what you said. I think I joined shortly before or after OTH left, so I initially saw only a few references to him in other posts or something like that, but one of the first things I did after I started to read this board was to read all OTH's posts. I think anybody with any interest in Thailand apart from pussy could learn a lot from his posts.

[QUOTE=IloveTits; 1280633]Was yesterday at Patpong and wanted to try a BJ-Bar, did never before. Went to Rose, only 3 girls and one uglier than the other and one old woman went on my nerves wanted a drink for a 2 minute massage at my hands. Didn't finish my bear and run out.

Stepped in kangaroo, looked much better, about 10 girls around and some didn't looked too bad, guess you can expect real good lookers at places like that. Went with one to a room, just separated by a curtain from the bar. The BJ was not good, she just wanted that I came fast, but again I don't think you can expect a good one here, I just wanted to experience.

Now one question. When I sat down, she just pulled down my Jeans and my pants, that's it. T-Shirt on. She fully dressed.

Is that only in these cheap Bar like that? How is it in the upper class BJ Bars like Dr. BJ, Lollitas, Lollipop?

Do you get naked there? T-Shirt on or off? Jeans just down or put if off? The girls, do they get naked or put the T-Shirt off? I don't want to end up that the girls in one of these places start laughing when I undress because you usually don't do it.

Please help.

By the way, it was 800 Baht[/QUOTE]You are a rookie, she had to pull your pants down, didn't know what to do huh? Well to answer your question, it's up to you or whatever turns you on as I'm sure the girls will not object. I do drop my pant and keep my shirt on as there's no need to get naked unless you want FS which is available at most places for a higher price.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner;1280413]At what point in your online flirtations with women does the subject of the location of your sofa usually come up?[/QUOTE]Ok, we all agree there is no such thing as free pussy.

My apartment gets me laid. Period.

Anybody can lure a girl to thier place once, the key is getting them to come back. If you are living near Khoa San Road with a bunch of hippies and meth addicts walking around or worse like the 24-7 traffic jam that is Nonthaburi, your chances of some repeat action are not that good.

Secondly, if you do get a regular girlfriend, and the only place either one of you can get some privacy is the shitter, the relationship is doomed. I speak from experience. I know guys who think they are so clever because they choose to live in some dump and have money for mongering on a daily basis. Hell, I used to be the same.

Roof top pools, exercise rooms, a couple of flat screens tvs, plenty of parking, and no assholes hanging around will get you more trim in the long run than daily trips to some massage shop or bar.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1280395]So have you ever gotten one of these lazy ass hot thai girlss?[/QUOTE]Sure, they are easy to spot. If a girl can answer you in complete sentences or maybe a paragraph then you know you are dealing with someone with some type of education that they probably did not pay for themselves. Thai public education sucks, especially thier emphasis on English.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1280577]Do you write all your life on a forum where men talk about which girl they fucked and for how much? And then want try and prove they have a bigger dick?

The senior Members I met and meet when they are in Bangkok know me, who I really am and not my Internet Persona.

But anyhow, it's always fun to now and then encounter people that are deluded about what Thailand is and think that because they've been here 40 times on holiday and go to RCA and all, understand the country and its inner workings.

Thing is, No Foreigner will ever fully understand this country because they will never be let-in. Even OTH knew that. You see, I have been here a long ass time, living and working and I will never have the pretence to say I know all about Thailand, because I most certainly never will. And you know what? I am completely fine with that.[/QUOTE]Well stated. I have been here a long time as well. A foreigner will never be accepted into this society. Tolerated at times yes, but accepted and "let-in" as you say never. And, hey for those of us that have lived and worked here for more than a few years, there are many frustrations and sometimes one gets quite fed up, but at the end of the day it is our choice to be here and we have to accept and be at peace with the way things are here, for we "ain't" going to change Thailand. Hopefully though, it will change us for the better. Thais have a great capacity for joy. Best thing about living with a Thai woman is that she wakes up happy almost every morning. Nice!

[QUOTE=Harold444;1280431]Re- barfine of rainbow girl who didn't deliver the goods. I agree its unacceptable but its Thailand, do you really want to stiff the girl and have to worry if you going to get beaten up by a bucnch of motosai drivers. Having bad girls is part of the deal. Our safety is much more important![/QUOTE]Well, I for one don't agree. If the gal is allowed to get away with bad service she will continue to give it and believe me they know when they are not providing the goods. When I call a session off I always tell the girls in Thai that I am not happy and in turn I don't want her to do anything that she does not want to do, but since she has chosen not to provide adequate service, she will not be getting the full amount agreed upon. I have had them look disappointed, but never had one get really angry. Of course I tell them ahead of time what I expect, which is "we have sex like you see in a sex movie or like you have with your boyfriend," and they agree. So, when they don't provide the onus is on them and they know it.

[quote=ilovetits; 1280633]now one question. when i sat down, she just pulled down my jeans and my pants, that's it. t-shirt on. she fully dressed.

is that only in these cheap bar like that? how is it in the upper class bj bars like dr. bj, lollitas, lollipop?

do you get naked there? t-shirt on or off? jeans just down or put if off? the girls, do they get naked or put the t-shirt off? i don't want to end up that the girls in one of these places start laughing when i undress because you usually don't do it.

please help.

by the way, it was 800 baht[/quote]firstly at a real bj bar you should be able to get a super blow-job, otherwise the staff member that gives a bad one is pretty useless. i have only ever met once at a blow job bar one girl whose bj was rather ordinary and who wouldn't go topless. now i am not a frequent attender either but hopefully only a small percentage of girls are really poor performers even if their looks are very plain.

as for dress, if you are in a private cubicle or curtained off, you can certainly take all your clothes off no problem at all. if you are in a public area, then it depends on the local rules. e. g. in some bars, like star of light, kangaroo, rose, in former times (i haven't been for a long time) you could molest girls and get their clothes off in the bar. sometimes, if they were shy, they would ask to go to back room to actually fuck.

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] has very strict rules with no playing up in the bar area downstairs, but once go upstairs then serious playing up is allowed. this fails to make [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] into a high class place. high class and bj bars is a contradiction in terms really.

i recently looked into dr. bj and was pleasantly surprised that the place wasn't too shabby looking at all (well decorated), and the "consultant" lineup were better looking than i expected, without being quite like models of course. aey (annies manager / owner) was managing from about 9pm onward that day. standard of the girls looks in general was significantly better than other blow-job bars i have experienced. most bj bars have maybe just one or two acceptable looking girls that are usually busy. dr bj was better than that. my assessment was that its a quite good set-up and good for a guy needing a quick release. in my case, i received 3 phone calls from the gf during the bj and she was non the wiser that i was playing up. we arranged to meet for dinner at a restaurant in 25 mins time. i was able to get the bj done and make it to the restaurant before her easily, by motorcycle. the girl asked me just how i liked it and she delivered exactly and followed any instructions well. she wasn't quite a deap throat specialist, but i would give high marks anyway. she was willing to get topless and i didn't ask her to take everything off (i have been known to). as i had already had longish sex session earlier, i was feeling a bit lazy, so bbbj with cim was just perfect. i nearly forgot to mention that each cubicle seems to have its own washing up facilities which is better than most places (if not all).

when i am looking for stunners, i will go to other places, but a bj bar can still fit a special purpose when time is very limited, or i need the flexibility to finish up quickly. i feel the owners are looking at making good money and at the same time doing a good social service by providing a way for girls to make good money to support their child or family, without being absolutely top shelf in looks, or maybe that they are unable to sell full sex due to medical issues, etc. the same girls in an ordinary mp giving bj may really struggle to make enough money simply because there are hundreds of mps and countless girls doing that. the competition is immense. but for dr. bj, the serious competition is rather limited.

most of you know i am not an overly critical writer and i don't look for lots of things to criticise. if something really strikes me as bad i would say so though. having seen the worst of the worst before, i would have to say dr. bj would currently be my first choice for a bj bar. if it wasn't good enough, i would have simply left and moved on to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] most likely.

however i am not sure if it provides for exhibitionists. for fucking in the public bar, probably sol is probably going to be the place (i never wanted to go in the cramped back room there).

next time at dr. bj i will probably step up and take more than one girl, to get an even more special service. i like to be licked and sucked concurrently and most girls have only one mouth unfortunately ;) its a lot cheaper than taking two girls out from a gogo bar. :)

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Yes, OTH was an old asian hand by virtue of having resided in the Kingdom for many years. He contributed to ISG and had many supporters.

But at the same time, he was too arrogant, and a constant whiner. He finally got caught with his hands in the cookie jar too many times and made himself 'persona non-grata' with the same hands that fed him all these years.[/QUOTE]OTH was very knowlegable but spoiled it at times with extreme vitriolic negativity that made him appear just a little psycho to me. It was hard to understand how he could tolerated to remain here in Thailand based on what he wrote. The hate seemed strong. I don't claim to know what happened in the end, other than he seemed to be ejected from ISG for his writings going beyond the regulator's boundaries, or did he wish to go himself?

Of course taking money to do a job, doesn't mean have to be an absolute yes man and bow down. We all break the rules, its simply a matter of being careful not to get caught easily.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1280539]Big deal. Another of your silly screen shots that mean nothing.

More meaningless drivel to add to your 3, 600 other posts of holier than thou nonsense[/QUOTE]When you are as long in business as NF is, then you will see it with different eyes. NF is doing this already long time and we all can share from his experience, so please be patiened with your comments on others experienec.

Maybe you not get the advises and comments you like, so better try to communicate in the forum and let us know about your experiences and adventures

[QUOTE=Oidar; 1280701]Ok, we all agree there is no such thing as free pussy.

My apartment gets me laid. Period.

Anybody can lure a girl to thier place once, the key is getting them to come back. If you are living near Khoa San Road with a bunch of hippies and meth addicts walking around or worse like the 24-7 traffic jam that is Nonthaburi, your chances of some repeat action are not that good.

Secondly, if you do get a regular girlfriend, and the only place either one of you can get some privacy is the shitter, the relationship is doomed. I speak from experience. I know guys who think they are so clever because they choose to live in some dump and have money for mongering on a daily basis. Hell, I used to be the same.

Roof top pools, exercise rooms, a couple of flat screens tvs, plenty of parking, and no assholes hanging around will get you more trim in the long run than daily trips to some massage shop or bar.[/QUOTE]Why bother with bringing a girl in to spoil that type of paradise with her bloody stinky vag and her dirty feet?

Just stay home alone and swim in your pool and then make sweet love to your sofa cushions.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1280662]When everything was going down two years ago, I was a supporter of OTH, and I gave my many reasons to Jackson. During that period I spend hours reviewing all of OTH post and exchanges with other members. Sure he might have been arrogant but who isn't from time to time on this board?[/QUOTE]FWIW, my opinion of OTH has nothing to do what transpired with the events that led Jackson to ban him from ISG. As I mentioned in my earlier post, he was a major contributor, both with his comments and his many pictures of the more fair skinned non P4p gals he conquered. However, I was just never one of his fans from day 1. And I'm sure many feel the same about me!

[QUOTE=Werqweq; 1280640]Well, for what it's worth, the guy at.

[url]http://www.livingthai.org/[/url]

, who, like NicFrenchy I understand, also appears to be able to both speak and read / write Thai, has an approach that sounds much closer to NicFrenchy's than to your friend's. It does not sound like the guy has much experience or interest in bonking fat, ugly, or 25+ year old girls either. So I don't think it's logical to say that NicFrenchy's approach is uterly wrong. Clearly it works well for both him and at least one other person, who are somewhat unique in that they can read / write Thai. The livingthai-guy also indicates that the Thai online-world is full of young girls looking for sex, so I'm currently doing my best to learn Thai.

My own online-dating experience goes a couple years back, but has for the most part been a waste of time. Unfortunately, I do not know Thai, so am limited to the English-language sites. The one or two handful of times I have actually met somebody, I have however always either sexed them the the first night, or when they turned up they also turned up to be somebody I would not want to sex. In all cases where I did sex them the first night, repeat performances were available, so having sex with me on the first night does not seem to have carried any noticeable stigma. I thus see no value in your friends "holding out" on sex until the second time. What is he trying to accomplish by that? Make them think he is gay, scarred of women, or not interested? Or does he spin some fable about how the woman is "too special to him" for him to have sex with her on the first night? Why not take it a step further even, and on the second night, instead of having sex, just lay in bed holding hands and kissing lightly? Perhaps on the third night they could get naked, and on the fourth finally have sex? Really, I don't understand the point of this.[/QUOTE]Weeweq, I am not surprised it was a waste of time for you. What this guy is saying is basically exactly the same as what I am saying:

Hos words below.

"Where To Meet.

The first meeting is always the most important but it's not a time to wow and impress the girl, it should be very casual. If your the kind of guy that isn't good at getting a girl into bed on the first date then I suggest you make the first meeting a meet and greet and make it as short as possible.

Never and I mean never let her tell you where to meet, always and I can't stress this enough make sure she meets you where you tell her to meet. Thai girls are hopeless at giving directions so if she tells you where to meet it's likely you'll get lost, but the real reason you want to tell her where to meet is because Thai girls like it when a guy takes charge and tells them where and what to do. Decision making is not part of the Thai makeup.

Like I said you don't need to impress the girl on the first date by taking her to some fancy restaurant or spending a mint. It should simply be coffee or a bowl of noodles say hi if your feeling it try to get her home but if you think she won't and needs more time then take her to.

Internet Date to the bedroom.

Thai's can be pretty conservative when they talk about taboo subjects like sex but just because they don't talk about it and act like they don't like it they still do. Saying to a Thai girl that you want to take her home and fuck her brains out isn't going to get you anywhere. BUT the classic 'come back to my place and watch a movie' always works. She knows what's going to happen and if she says 'Just watch a movie right? ' then you still need to be a little conservative and with a smile say 'watch the movie but we may kiss and cuddle but no sex'. She will feel more comfortable about you saying this and will likely go along with you and have sex with you regardless.

Like I mentioned earlier Thai girls like a guy who takes charge so make sure you've got the balls to actually be straight up with her. Don't ask her tell her, see how I said 'come back to my place' it wasn't a question it was an order, give a girl a question and she'll find an answer you don't want to her. Limit the amount of choices she has to make by telling her how it is.

Best of luck guys if you have any questions please use the comments section below"

I doubt very much that Nic reads, writes and speaks Thai. If he did he would of spouted endlessly about it long before now, he is that kind of guy by the look of his posts.

My Internet System.

This is what I wrote on this forum 14 months ago that is still correct now. Follow this and you will unlimted FREE pussy on tap (there absolutely IS such a thing as 100 % free pussy in Bangkok, DEFINITELY).

I have 3 preset message templates. 1st Message, Reply to First Message, Third Message.

If I haven't got the phone number and agreement to meet for coffee by message 3 then I abandon that prospect (there is a right way to ask for the phone number and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!

I never talk about sex or anything remotely like that in the messages.

I tell them I don't have time to msn or chat but much prefer to meet in person (there is a right way to ask and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!

Arrange to meet for coffee (never lunch or dinner, too big a commitment and too expensive and no easy bail out)

Choose a cheap coffee shop very close (3 minutes walk) to your apartment (Starbucks too expensive if pursuing many leads).

Never think about sex on the first date (unless it is blindingly obvious). Meet for coffee only and be super nice and super polite (I used to aim for sex on first date but the strike rate is low compared to the long term benefits of the patient approach. Aiming for sex on first date is for amateurs and everyone is trying that. Possible 5 years ago but game has changed now).

Tell them you have a really nice apartment and would love to show them your place next time you meet.

Send a thank you sms and other occasional sms messages (but not too many, just have a nice day and so on to stay on the radar).

Next date tell them you are feeling very lazy but would love to see them and invite them to your apartment (there is a right way to ask them to your apartment and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!

If they come then its game on (always assume they will be late for all dates by the way, which is why it's important the coffee shop you meet at be near your place. Only stop what you are doing and proceed to rendevous when they have confirmed their arrival).

I have a large sofa with an additional small one seater. When they come to your apartment ensure the one seater is full of cushions so they can't sit there (they will be isolated and you can't get them out of that seat).

Once they are sat on the sofa, you sit on the one seater and they start to relax. Put on music make them laugh a bit talk for a while and so on.

Get up and get them a drink or go to the toilet and then sit on the sofa next to them and hold their hand.

If they don't object out then its game on! If they object then apologise and be super polite and move back to your seat (they love this as they know they are safe in your hands and these are the ones that crop up later as referenced below).

The approximate stats.

Send 20 messages.

Get 10 replies.

From those replies get 6 numbers.

From those 6 numbers meet 4.

2 will come to your apartment.

You will bang 1 that comes to your apartment (but many more later as per below).

Now here is the interesting part and the BEAUTY of Thailand and Thai girls. The above may all sound like a lot of effort but there is a compounding effect that kicks in around the 6 to 8 week mark assuming you have been disciplined in sending 10 to 20 messages per day.

What happens is that you never come on or off a Thai girls radar you simply move up and down their priority list. All of a sudden you will start getting random calls at all hours from girls you met weeks ago that now want to meet and when you tell them fine but only for sex they always agree (that's why they are calling you anyway).

It is more or less a pure numbers game and if you religiously follow the discipline of sending messages every day then in 6 to 8 weeks you will be banging more Thai girls (and I mean office workers and so called real girls) than you know what to do with. Your head will be spinning and you can have sex two to three times a day with different girls. I cannot stress enough that this will NOT happen straight away. It takes discipline and perseverance but the dividends are phenomenal. You simply will not be able to keep up after the 6 to 8 week mark. Fortunately many people haven't worked this out and give up in the first week after not getting laid.

Surprisingly (or actually no surprise at all) the BEST online hunting hours are Monday to Friday from 9am to 5pm (although 3pm to 5pm is prime time). Office girls busy in the office!

I am only interested in so called 'office' or 'real' girls (I call them civilians) and here are some tips for identifying non real girls:

Works in Salon.

Can play pool.

Knows Gullivers on Soi 5.

No Job.

Have Own Business – Question Mark.

Knows Q Bar and Spassos.

Knows Climax in Soi 11.

Under no circumstances do I pay any of the girls and I beleive they would be offended if I did. If they look like the type who want payment or commitment I abandon that prospect.

Hope this helps. Be warned you will need spreadsheets and detailed descriptions on your phone as things spiral out of control (I am 100% serious about that).

Happy Hunting

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1280820]FWIW, my opinion of OTH has nothing to do what transpired with the events that led Jackson to ban him from ISG. As I mentioned in my earlier post, he was a major contributor, both with his comments and his many pictures of the more fair skinned non P4p gals he conquered. However, I was just never one of his fans from day 1. And I'm sure many feel the same about me![/QUOTE]T1234,

My response to you was not so much on him being banned or that you weren't a fan of his from day 1, and I'm sure many feel the same as you noted and I respect that! My main point was he was being attacked by unknowns for expressing his views that was just recently expressed as " extreme vitriolic negativity " after reviewing his post I never saw his post as being such. He was a normal inidvidual who was living in a different country like so many of us and expressing his opinion as to those experiences. Others who didn't agree with him (maybe not you) instead of dealing with it went complaining or whining to Jackson. He's label a whiner but he never did what those who called him a whiner and went to Jackson. People get frustrated and express them in different ways and when he got backstabbed in his job he expressed them on this forum better that than what I did a few years back using physical force on a Thai and his family because I was so pissed. See! Why is it so hard for others to understand that a foreigner living in Thailand or any other country have the right to speak out even if it is negative. Some seem to firmly believe just because we weren't born here have no right to express anything negative when we are getting backstabbed! OTH, lived and experience life in Thailand some good some bad and many accused him of being less and said he couldn't make it in his own country and to go back!

As you noted he got his hand caught in the cookie jar too many times? He never said anything that required being force out! Remember it takes two to tangle and he tangle the big difference others went running to the Jackson. I could name you a dozen or so members who have posted much more hateful contribution and never had they been pushed aside like OTH.

Agree or disagree, OTH made good contributions and had his fans and non-fans like yourself and it should have been left at that instead a few wanted him banned and got their way! Because of that it was the start of this forum looking the way it does when one logs on and so many members now are complaining to Jackson when they don't hear things exactly the way they want it or the topic isn't just right! Today, the Internet is a great tool but at the same time made so many cowards?

LBM

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1280672]No need to get your panties in a bunch about it. I wasn't asking for your life story, and by the way I was defending you in case you didn't notice that.[/QUOTE]Mate, it wasn't for you, I know you didn't say that in a negative way. It was for the Boy and his Germans. Next time I'll make a nice Spreadsheet for him.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1280662]OTH never went to Jackson because he couldn't get others to agree with him. Those are the whiners who didn't have the balls to identify themselves instead ask Jackson to do the dirty work for them they attack him personally the first opportunity they got or went to Jackson.[/QUOTE]Yes, you're absolutely right, would love to know who these whiners were, but we'll never know.

[QUOTE=Oidar;1280701]Roof top pools, exercise rooms, a couple of flat screens tvs, plenty of parking, and no assholes hanging around will get you more trim in the long run than daily trips to some massage shop or bar.[/QUOTE]I think it's 2 different things. I don't really mix regular girls with P4P.

For me, my first 5 years in Thailand were all about P4P, I tried every possible shop and bedded many many girls that you see in the Oilies today. Got tired of that after a while, and a buddy of mine (an Old Asia Hand) introduced me to the Online dating.

Didn't really care for it at first but grew to like the game and came up with a system that got me the results I needed. (no spreadsheets required).

Grew tired of that. Mostly because once I bedded these girls, they wanted to come back but unless they were really good, I did not want to see them again. I don't want a relationship and not looking for a steady GF. I then decided that maybe P4P is better for me.

It's a matter of perspective, but I would not mix the 2.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1280852]I think it's 2 different things. I don't really mix regular girls with P4P.

For me, my first 5 years in Thailand were all about P4P, I tried every possible shop and bedded many many girls that you see in the Oilies today. Got tired of that after a while, and a buddy of mine (an Old Asia Hand) introduced me to the Online dating.

Didn't really care for it at first but grew to like the game and came up with a system that got me the results I needed. (no spreadsheets required).

Grew tired of that. Mostly because once I bedded these girls, they wanted to come back but unless they were really good, I did not want to see them again. I don't want a relationship and not looking for a steady GF. I then decided that maybe P4P is better for me.

It's a matter of perspective, but I would not mix the 2.[/QUOTE]Nic why don't you share with us your exact online system. I mean how do you do it and your success rate. What works, what doesn't etc.

It would be nice to see something useful for others.

For the record I do not know anyone who has been here 5 years plus, who has had success with "civilians" and then goes back to P4P (perhaps with the exception of those now in a serious relationship). I suspect your system targets the WRONG girls which is why you have the issues you mention.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1280853]Nic why don't you share with us your exact online system. I mean how do you do it and your success rate. What works, what doesn't etc.

It would be nice to see something useful for others.[/QUOTE]I am actually impressed with that post of yours! For once you ask the right questions without any spiteful remarks. You asked so nicely that I will share it.

[quote]For the record I do not know anyone who has been here 5 years plus, who has had success with "civilians" and then goes back to P4P (perhaps with the exception of those now in a serious relationship). I suspect your system targets the WRONG girls which is why you have the issues you mention.[/QUOTE]It's all a matter of perspective, where you believe one needs to contact 20 girls to bed 1, I believe one needs to work on the 3 girls one wants to bed, and Thailand being Thailand, your chances are high (well, provided one does not look like Quasimodo).

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1280853]I mean how do you do it and your success rate[/QUOTE]One more thing, Success rate? I never look at things this way. But if I look at your post, message 20 and get 1 to bed, that is a 5% conversion Ratio (that's how you like to look at it right?) I think this is pretty low. In fact if you count all 20 messages go to the 3rd message to get the girl's number, that's 60 messages which brings down the conversion to 1. 6%

At that rate, many here would just go running to Tulip, Mango or the likes.

Different strokes for different folks, there is no BETTER system. The thing is one has to go with what system suits him. It's that simple.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1280853]Nic why don't you share with us your exact online system. I mean how do you do it and your success rate. What works, what doesn't etc.

It would be nice to see something useful for others.[/QUOTE]Why should he share his secrets with a bunch of strangers who will go out and ruin the game? If I find a real hottie I never reveal her identity, especially to an Internet sex forum full of misfits and psycho's.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1280853]For the record I do not know anyone who has been here 5 years plus, who has had success with "civilians" and then goes back to P4P (perhaps with the exception of those now in a serious relationship). I suspect your system targets the WRONG girls which is why you have the issues you mention.[/QUOTE]I've been here six years; am an old man, but still got plenty of sex from young girls on the Thai Love Links site. It's a fun game for awhile. But the fact is that, for me, p4p is better because I don't like lying to women and don't want a girlfriend.

Nic explained it perfectly:

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1280852 ]Grew tired of that. Mostly because once I bedded these girls, they wanted to come back but unless they were really good, I did not want to see them again. I don't want a relationship and not looking for a steady GF. I then decided that maybe P4P is better for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IloveTits; 1280633]Is that only in these cheap Bar like that? How is it in the upper class BJ Bars like Dr. BJ, Lollitas, Lollipop?

Do you get naked there? T-Shirt on or off? Jeans just down or put if off? The girls, do they get naked or put the T-Shirt off? I don't want to end up that the girls in one of these places start laughing when I undress because you usually don't do it.

Please help.

By the way, it was 800 Baht[/QUOTE]ILT,

Check my review of D at Dr BJ's, yesterday around 1205pm. I think it is on the 3rd or 4th page now. I have also gone with EE and will recommend either one. Strip right down at the Dr's.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1280843]T1234, My main point was he was being attacked by unknowns for expressing his views that was just recently expressed as " extreme vitriolic negativity " after reviewing his post I never saw his post as being such. Today, the Internet is a great tool but at the same time made so many cowards? LBM[/QUOTE]LBM.

Agree with you on two things:

1. Many lurkers on ISG that never contribute but always complain.

2. Equal number of cowards who back stab.

But remember, OTH was warned by Jackson and they did trade emails / pm. OTH for whatever reason decided to fall on the sword. Regardless, before he was banned, he had already decided to leave the Kingdom. Giotto and a few others know the truth. But listen, OTH is gone. Let's leave the past behind us bro!

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1280824]Weeweq, I am not surprised it was a waste of time for you. What this guy is saying is basically exactly the same as what I am saying:

I doubt very much that Nic reads, writes and speaks Thai. If he did he would of spouted endlessly about it long before now, he is that kind of guy by the look of his posts.[/QUOTE]I don't really want to get into a silly discussion on how to interpret what some other guy says, but I've enjoyed that guys site for a while, and if you read a little more of it, including his references to misc. Thail-language dating sites, I think you too will see that he is definitely a "sex on the first date" kind of guy.

Anyway, it seems you have found a system that works for you and which you seem happy with, and which you have not minded to share with us here. My respect for that.

I can see your point about the language abilities of the poster in question, but will give him the benefits of at least my doubt.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234; 1280889]LBM.

Agree with you on two things:

1. Many lurkers on ISG that never contribute but always complain.

2. Equal number of cowards who back stab.

But remember, OTH was warned by Jackson and they did trade emails / pm. OTH for whatever reason decided to fall on the sword. Regardless, before he was banned, he had already decided to leave the Kingdom. Giotto and a few others know the truth. But listen, OTH is gone. Let's leave the past behind us bro![/QUOTE]To close the OTH Subject and be fair to Jackson, he Did reinstate OTH Back to full member but OTH asked to be removed, in the end, it was His choice.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1280831]My Internet System.

This is what I wrote on this forum 14 months ago that is still correct now. Follow this and you will unlimted FREE pussy on tap (there absolutely IS such a thing as 100 % free pussy in Bangkok, DEFINITELY).

I have 3 preset message templates. 1st Message, Reply to First Message, Third Message.

If I haven't got the phone number and agreement to meet for coffee by message 3 then I abandon that prospect (there is a right way to ask for the phone number and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!

I never talk about sex or anything remotely like that in the messages.

I tell them I don't have time to msn or chat but much prefer to meet in person (there is a right way to ask and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!

Arrange to meet for coffee (never lunch or dinner, too big a commitment and too expensive and no easy bail out)

Choose a cheap coffee shop very close (3 minutes walk) to your apartment (Starbucks too expensive if pursuing many leads).

Never think about sex on the first date (unless it is blindingly obvious). Meet for coffee only and be super nice and super polite (I used to aim for sex on first date but the strike rate is low compared to the long term benefits of the patient approach. Aiming for sex on first date is for amateurs and everyone is trying that. Possible 5 years ago but game has changed now).

Tell them you have a really nice apartment and would love to show them your place next time you meet.

Send a thank you sms and other occasional sms messages (but not too many, just have a nice day and so on to stay on the radar).

Next date tell them you are feeling very lazy but would love to see them and invite them to your apartment (there is a right way to ask them to your apartment and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!

If they come then its game on (always assume they will be late for all dates by the way, which is why it's important the coffee shop you meet at be near your place. Only stop what you are doing and proceed to rendevous when they have confirmed their arrival).

I have a large sofa with an additional small one seater. When they come to your apartment ensure the one seater is full of cushions so they can't sit there (they will be isolated and you can't get them out of that seat).

Once they are sat on the sofa, you sit on the one seater and they start to relax. Put on music make them laugh a bit talk for a while and so on.

Get up and get them a drink or go to the toilet and then sit on the sofa next to them and hold their hand.

If they don't object out then its game on! If they object then apologise and be super polite and move back to your seat (they love this as they know they are safe in your hands and these are the ones that crop up later as referenced below).

The approximate stats.

Send 20 messages.

Get 10 replies.

From those replies get 6 numbers.

From those 6 numbers meet 4.

2 will come to your apartment.

You will bang 1 that comes to your apartment (but many more later as per below).

Now here is the interesting part and the BEAUTY of Thailand and Thai girls. The above may all sound like a lot of effort but there is a compounding effect that kicks in around the 6 to 8 week mark assuming you have been disciplined in sending 10 to 20 messages per day.

What happens is that you never come on or off a Thai girls radar you simply move up and down their priority list. All of a sudden you will start getting random calls at all hours from girls you met weeks ago that now want to meet and when you tell them fine but only for sex they always agree (that's why they are calling you anyway).

It is more or less a pure numbers game and if you religiously follow the discipline of sending messages every day then in 6 to 8 weeks you will be banging more Thai girls (and I mean office workers and so called real girls) than you know what to do with. Your head will be spinning and you can have sex two to three times a day with different girls. I cannot stress enough that this will NOT happen straight away. It takes discipline and perseverance but the dividends are phenomenal. You simply will not be able to keep up after the 6 to 8 week mark. Fortunately many people haven't worked this out and give up in the first week after not getting laid.

Surprisingly (or actually no surprise at all) the BEST online hunting hours are Monday to Friday from 9am to 5pm (although 3pm to 5pm is prime time). Office girls busy in the office!

I am only interested in so called 'office' or 'real' girls (I call them civilians) and here are some tips for identifying non real girls:

Works in Salon.

Can play pool.

Knows Gullivers on Soi 5.

No Job.

Have Own Business – Question Mark.

Knows Q Bar and Spassos.

Knows Climax in Soi 11.

Under no circumstances do I pay any of the girls and I beleive they would be offended if I did. If they look like the type who want payment or commitment I abandon that prospect.

Hope this helps. Be warned you will need spreadsheets and detailed descriptions on your phone as things spiral out of control (I am 100% serious about that).

Happy Hunting[/QUOTE]If I wanted to put that much effort into it I would have stayed in the US.

My system-

1. Read ISG and others reports on Oily gals.

2. Go to Tulip, Mango, or Snow White (will try Cherry in a few weeks).

3. Choose girl.

4. Finish twice in 90 minutes.

5. Go have lunch.

6. Return home and nap.

Done!

[quote=ilovetits;1280633]was yesterday at patpong and wanted to try a bj-bar, did never before.[/quote]you should have done a bit more research here (using the search function). the only decent bj place in patpong is sol (the star of light).

here's my first s. o. l experience from 2006:

[i]here i am walking towards sol and one thing strikes me right away. the ladies are all dressed in white. being a monday and all, i would have thought that they would sport the yellow shirt in tribute to his majesty the king. the second thing that strikes me is that there are about 8 or 9 ladies outside, eating, chatting, applying makeup. and oh my god! 5 of the 9 girls were solid 7 or 8's (in my book anyways). what a very pleasant surprise. anyhow, i go inside and there's already a man there. mid 50s i would say.

as soon as i enter, he decides to move and goes to the bathroom area.

i order a drink and take a few sips, next thing you know, the man comes out. 5 minutes! undressing and re-dressing included. damn, that's big time skills points for the performer.

it is my first visit here but i already feel "at home". i can't describe the feeling, i feel relaxed. of course, this only will make my experience better.

so i am sitting at the bar sipping, taking my time and no less than 6 girls come see me. rub my dick and balls, send me an inviting wink. i decide to take an older lady (she says she's 33 but i would give her 38 easily) with big hooters and we go in the bathroom (i'm not much of an exhibitionist so the couch is not for me. not yet anyway).

there is a girl in the bathroom and when she sees me, she clears her stuff ready to leave. but before doing so, she rubs my balls and winks (i'm starting to think this is a sol trademark lol).

i undress and sit in the little corner area, my girl gets right down to business (no cleaning of little nic like they do at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]) , she hasn't even been sucking for a 10 seconds that a couple of girls come inside and offer a helping hand (or mouth) but i decline the offer. the bar is not busy but none of the girls stick around, they leave the bathroom. my girl (sorry, as usual am very bad with names.) starts slowly and rubs, licks, sucks. all is perfect. already a good 10 minutes have passed and she took her top off already starting a nice tit fuck, she is very well endowed and has nice long nipples.

15 minutes and she now sucks like a vacuum cleaner, to be honest, i am amazed at the speed at which she is sucking up and down my shaft. it feels weird but good.

20 minutes have passed and she starts to get tired. she now handles my dick as if it is a deodorant spray bottle. you know, except it's not written "shake well before use" on my dick lol. you guessed it, she gives me the fastest hj i've ever experienced and after a few more minutes of tit fuck, she resumes her "hoover" technique.

it's been a good 25mn already and at this point i suggest a second lady join us because i don't think that i'll be able to finish if we pursue the "one on one".

in the split of a second, my lady gets completely naked and starts dfk while another stats to suck me off. it feels good, i am being attended to by 2 ladies. one taking care of little nic and the other taking care of big nic. i have tits in my mouth, fingers up a warm pussy and getting a very skillful bj.

not even 5 minutes and i explode in #2's mouth. #1 want a piece and sucks my cum covered pecker.

i go over the sink and start to wash it and it's all red. #1 lady comes over and helps me wash it. she suggests next time i come and fuck her instead of a blowjob. (i make a mental note of that).

so i'm all cleaned up and exit the bathroom, sit on couch 2 and get the ladies to massage my back a little, we chit chat and ladies #1 & #2 want to know where i live so that they can come see me tonight.

i sit there for a while and think about the "magic" these girls just did to me. they put a big smile on my face and that smile can't seem to go away. i probably look stupid smiling at everything. but i feel great.

total damage : 1560 (2 ladies and 2 drinks)

tipped 200 each on top (not sure if that's enough but they seemed happy).

another lady said she was jealous because the girls got to suck a "boy" so young. (i don't know if i should be happy or offended by that. i'm not 18 anymore lol).

i will definitely go back and visit sol again. and rather sooner than later. this place is highly addictive.

not so much the seedy theécor and ambience. but you have to give credit where credit's due: the girls make the place what it is.[/i]

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1280831]My Internet System.

Knows Q Bar and Spassos.

Knows Climax in Soi 11.[/QUOTE]You can include Bed Supperclub too. Well, you might as well include entire the entire Soi 11 as its known as a place where the rich falang hang out at. Some Thai girls have a special skill set where they can smell the big money falang miles away in her 3500 baht / month condo like a shark smells blood in the water.

BTW- Interesting that you use templates, that can save time. I generally look at their profile and go off of that and try to say something funny or witty. The hotter the chick the more daring I'll be because these gals get a zillion of messages of "hi you so beautiful" and crap like that.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1280900]If I wanted to put that much effort into it I would have stayed in the US.

My system-

1. Read ISG and others reports on Oily gals.

2. Go to Tulip, Mango, or Snow White (will try Cherry in a few weeks).

3. Choose girl.

4. Finish twice in 90 minutes.

5. Go have lunch.

6. Return home and nap.

Done![/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with that! But sometimes the hunt is as thrilling as the prize. The mentality and mindset one has to go on these dates is actually not to go expecting to get laid, but just to have fun and make sure the girl has a good time and everything else falls into place. Not always but sometimes. Tbh, if I had the bankroll of a Tiger Woods, I'd buy me one of those Nissan GTR and plush condo and have me a nice, steady rotation of g-club girls. Since I'm a loser, I have to strengthen my seduction skills and sell these girls dreams LOL

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1280924]Since I'm a loser, I have to strengthen my seduction skills and sell these girls dreams LOL[/QUOTE]You really had me laugh there! Hehe

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1280749]OTH was very knowlegable but spoiled it at times with extreme vitriolic negativity that made him appear just a little psycho to me. It was hard to understand how he could tolerated to remain here in Thailand based on what he wrote. The hate seemed strong. I don't claim to know what happened in the end, other than he seemed to be ejected from ISG for his writings going beyond the regulator's boundaries, or did he wish to go himself?

Of course taking money to do a job, doesn't mean have to be an absolute yes man and bow down. We all break the rules, its simply a matter of being careful not to get caught easily.[/QUOTE]Wow! Looks like I missed some major drama in my time away. Was not a big fan of OTH, but there are a lot worse than him. I just always had the feeling that he was not a happy person. He chose a path, got locked into that path, and did not have a way out. I hope he finds what he is looking for. My longest stretch away from the LOS, but looking forward to getting back to my old schedule of annual visits. Seems like not too much has changed on the surface.

AT2

[QUOTE=Nick Depalma; 1280450]Are G-Clubs like Forte, Pent, Sherbet worth the while for mongering action, or is it a keep-you-company kinda place?

Looks fun though[/QUOTE]Nick,

I enjoyed the G-Clubs, during my visits. I got bashed for spending too much money, but I thought it was a great change of pace. One of the ISG members took me to Pent, for my first experience at a G-Club many years ago. Not set up for mongering action from what I could tell, but met up with a couple of girls from Pent after getting their digits. I was a frequent visitor to LOS for many years, but I don't consider myself an expert on G-Clubs, so maybe someone else can chime in.

AT2

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1280857]I am actually impressed with that post of yours! For once you ask the right questions without any spiteful remarks. You asked so nicely that I will share it.

It's all a matter of perspective, where you believe one needs to contact 20 girls to bed 1, I believe one needs to work on the 3 girls one wants to bed, and Thailand being Thailand, your chances are high (well, provided one does not look like Quasimodo).[/QUOTE]Did I miss something? Is that your system? If so, a bit of a letdown. Also your stats section leaves a bit to be desired."Chances are high"? I guess 1 out of 3 would be "low" and 3 out of 3 would be "guaranteed", so I guess you mean you'd get 2 out of 3? Seems a bit vague and unscientific compared to Bowerboy's. Maybe you meant to write up this system later or something but if this is it, doesn't seem like what I'd call a system, more just a generality with no supporting detail, testing out.

At least the Indians have a chance with her LOL




No money no honey and friend. 55555==

Stop ask my msn or skype!

Becoz I not use ok, thank you.

And don't contect me black guy,

Because I hate,

Thank you

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1280983]At least the Indians have a chance with her LOL.

No money no honey and friend. 55555==

Stop ask my msn or skype!

Becoz I not use ok, thank you.

And don't contect me black guy,

Because I hate,

Thank you[/QUOTE]Logged in my spreadsheet. Created a new column entitled "Hates black guys y/n".

[QUOTE=GentleBoner;1280985]Logged in my spreadsheet. Created a new column entitled "Hates black guys y/n".[/QUOTE]LMAO. Shit I almost pissed myself.

How about this one from Craiglist: I am sure a crapload of losers contacted her:

[i]Holiday Time. 32.

Date: 2012-05-13, 2:58PM ICT.

Reply to: crvmh-3012607413@pers.craigslist.org

Hello single guys,

Are there anyone free this month? I am looking for a gentleman to pamper me. I would love to do some trips either escape to the beach or mountain explorer.

If you are single and travel alone who want someone to join you trip. I would love to travel with you. Although I am very down to earth person, I expect a good treat while we travel.

I do not like a cheap guy because the living cost is already cheap here. You would be able to take care our expenses.

The ideal of travelling is just like we are out dating. You are single as well as mine. We travel and enjoy our company. If we are click, we may continue our relationship. If not we remain friendship.

Kindly send your pic and detilas of yourself. I will do the same. Prefer tall guy below 50

It's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests.

PostingID: 3012607413[/i]

[QUOTE=Wendella;1280970]Did I miss something? Is that your system? If so, a bit of a letdown. Also your stats section leaves a bit to be desired."Chances are high"? I guess 1 out of 3 would be "low" and 3 out of 3 would be "guaranteed", so I guess you mean you'd get 2 out of 3? Seems a bit vague and unscientific compared to Bowerboy's. Maybe you meant to write up this system later or something but if this is it, doesn't seem like what I'd call a system, more just a generality with no supporting detail, testing out.[/QUOTE]Nic I wouldn't normally press the point like this but since you love to big note yourself so much why not share your system (or if not a system then tell us how you do it).

Telling us what you do is not exactly revealing state secrets. Also don't say you can't be bothered because clearly you can be bothered to write a lot of stuff on the forum.

I never had any girls hanging on or girls that I didn't want to see. And I never lied to any of them. The exit system is extremely simple. You simply say that you like group sex and will she sleep with you and another girlfriend together. Clearly a no lose situation for obvious reasons, if she says no then she will never contact you again and if she says yes then of course you end up a winner.

I find the thrill of the chase much more exciting than paying a prostitute for her services but each to their own. And I still do pay prostitutes for their services by the way and am not morally opposed or anything like that.

So come on, share some useful info.

Monday is a Mon day. LOL. After spending a few hours at MBK Mall and finding out what I wanted was the same price back home I said f*k it and decided I would head to Soi 24. I got off the BTS at the right station and in a few minutes was spinning on my heels trying to decide – EZ Massage, Pink Massage or Mango Massage. I didn't have a wish list with me but I remembered more girls from the Mango website so into Mango I went. The lady at the desk explained the prices for me and I said I wanted 1. 5 hours oil massage. I had a look through the book while glancing at the girls sitting on the couches and decided on Mon.

Mon does look a lot like her pics except she is tanned, not white. They whitened the pics of her a lot. She was dressed just like any other girl you would see on the street or in the mall, and if you saw her would think 'ooh, she's a cutie'. Pretty face and she has that 'girl next door' look. She didn't speak a lot of English but tried and always had a smile in her face.

Up the stairs we go and into the room. Small but clean, shower, single sized bed, and ac. I had a quick shower to get rid of the sweat, and Mon had a quick one as well when she back with her 'kit'.

Mon stripped down and proceeded to give me a really, really, good massage. It felt so good I almost didn't want her to stop. Yeah right! She would tease my balls during the massage, running her hands down my ass and giving them a good feel. She asked if I wanted body to body massage and I didn't want to deny myself of that pleasure so I said yes. I turned around and grabbed the oil from her and told her I would oil her body. I put some oil on my hands and various locations on her, then started slowly rubbing it all over her nice little body. Her tits are small and her nipples came erect as my tongue ran over them. I worked my way down her body, my hands trailing, continuing to spread the oil. No DATY and man did she have a hairy pussy. I haven't seen that much hair around a pussy in years! I could have flossed all my teeth at once! LOL. Once oiled up she put me on my back and started slowly rubbing herself all over me. She then grabbed (insert name of cock here) and gave me a decent BJ. Could have been longer but I wasn't going to complain as she slipped the condom on and put my cock in her. Went through all the usual positions and after all was said and done she cleaned me up in the shower, making sure to get all the oil off us both.

All in all a great massage and good sex. More GFE like than pornstar like.

Date of encounter: 14 May 2012.

Name: Mon.

Age: 20.

Languages: Thai, a little English but does try.

[B]Making Contact[/B]

How did I find her: Mango Massage website.

Link:

[url]http://www.mangomassagebkk.com/ladies/[/url]

Did she match her pics: Yes but her skin has been whitened a lot.

Percentage Photoshop: 25%

Was she on time: In house.

Neighborhood: Soi 24.

[B]Does she or doesn't she[/B]

Anal: Didn't try or ask.

Oral w or w / o: w / o but could have been longer in time.

Kissing: Yes, decent kisser.

Any restrictions: don't know.

[B]How would you rate her[/B]

Face: 7 pretty face, young looking and always smiling.

Tits: 6, small and she liked having them licked.

Ass: 6, spinner type butt.

Body: 7, all parts proportional to her size. A good looking girl.

[B]Level of Service[/B]

Enthusiastic or Business-Like: Enthusiastic and always smiling. Gives a great massage!

Clock Watcher: not in the least.

Her strong point: loved her massage.

Her weak point: BJ not very long.

$$$ & Time: 2100 baht plus tip. 1.5 hours.

Overall Rating of Encounter: 7, great massage and good sex.

Do you recommend: Yes, good GFE.

All this talk about Pick up and game is interesting, and I've also been successful at seducing girls I met online but what I really want is to be good at is day game. I failed every time when opening a set during the day.

Have you guys been able to close a girl you met in a mall, supermarket, 7-11 or any non pick up places like the subway etc?

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1281010]Nic I wouldn't normally press the point like this but since you love to big note yourself so much why not share your system (or if not a system then tell us how you do it).[/QUOTE]You're being so nice these days that I said I would. Just need the time to do it is all. I have a job so long reports are not for weekdays. I usually rant from my mobile phone so writing reports with that is not easy.

I will get around to it.

But mind you, I't now a system perse, I'm not german so no spreadsheet, statistics and all.

[QUOTE=Americanthief; 1281088]I failed every time when opening a set during the day.

Have you guys been able to close a girl you met in a mall, supermarket. 7-11 or any non pick up places like the subway etc?[/QUOTE]Hehehehehe you made me laugh so hard."Opening a SET" wow, that goes wayyy back to my days watching that pickup show, what was it called? With that tall dude and his weird hat? Pickup something. I liked that show, was very entertaining to watch but they canceled it after 2 seasons? Right? Guess not enough desperate dudes watching that crap.

Thai girls are not so difficult to approach when you know how to. It's different than in Europe or the US. I have been successful picking up girls in the BTS using the Old Map technique. So basic and yet pretty efficient.

Get a map, and ask a girl coming out the BTS "sorry but I have a meeting here in 30mn, I have to wait in a coffee shop, do you know one around?" (show her the map, this way it will look like she is helping you with directions and will not make her feel uncomfortable in the eyes of other Thais). Once she tells you where the coffee is, tell her that she is very kind and you would really like if she can join you for a coffee. This has worked for me (still pretty hard as the "yes" factor is low but worth trying)

SMILE, SMILE, SMILE, talk slowly and with a low tone of voice... and SMILE

I also picked up at the gym, I mean that is the easiest of all places. Girls are so happy to see a real guy there (non-gay I mean).

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1281108]Hehehehehe you made me laugh so hard."Opening a SET" wow, that goes wayyy back to my days watching that pickup show, what was it called? With that tall dude and his weird hat? Pickup something. I liked that show, was very entertaining to watch but they canceled it after 2 seasons? Right? Guess not enough desperate dudes watching that crap.[/QUOTE]That was Mystery. He goes by the Mystery Method. There was a pretty good book written about the entire loser PUA community, how they would transform nerds into Casanovas.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1280896]To close the OTH Subject and be fair to Jackson, he Did reinstate OTH Back to full member but OTH asked to be removed, in the end, it was His choice.[/QUOTE]Yes, I will let the subject close but. Before I do. I would just like to close with. When a guy gets blind sided and never should have been warned or moderated? So much he was accused of and although Jackson did offer to reinstate him in the end the damage was already done! There are something you just can't undo? The bridge was burn behind him there was no turning back and that is and was the true! As noted the man is gone I for one wish him well wherever he is?

LBM

[QUOTE=Harold444;1281150]Indians-try telling a girl on camfrog you are indian![/QUOTE]You trying to get FREE?

[QUOTE=LuvnLatinas;1281070]Do you recommend: Yes, good GFE.[/QUOTE]Great Report, you forgot her Shoe size. LOL

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1281329]You trying to get FREE?[/QUOTE]Looks like all this talk about Non-Pros got our H444 fired up to try his luck. Next thing you know, he's going to come here and tell people they're stupid to P4P when a lot of regular girls are available for Free. Now that would be creme-fucking-brulee. Hahaha

#$at$% knew I forgot something! LOL.

[QUOTE=Americanthief;1281088]Have you guys been able to close a girl you met in a mall, supermarket, 7-11 or any non pick up places like the subway etc?[/QUOTE]Just last week I rushed to get on a train before the door closes, got on, saw a girl I liked. I hoped to make eye contact but she never looked my way. Only one stop to Siam where I would transfer to Sukhumvit line and good odds she would get off too. Sure enough we both get off, followed her to the escalator, walked besides her and simply said "I think you are really pretty". That started off some small talk, introductions, missed train, and then off for a drink. This was around 4 in the afternoon. Too easy I thought so asked what she does in BKK. A dancer at Insomnia. I'm thinking goal! Drinks led to dinner led to the condo. After a couple drinks she admitted that she really wasn't a dancer. Just goes to Insomnia for "work". Good enough. So maybe this encounter really doesn't count.

I have had "real" success at food stands of all places. Walking on the sidewalk to MBK, I was curious to try one of those fried dough balls covered in sesame seeds. Pretty good. As soon as I bit in to it a Thai lady next to me looks and proclaims "my favorite, do you like it" in great English. Started talking, she's going to MBK too. Turns out she lives in Toronto, visiting BKK (her home) , exchanged numbers, met for dinner that night. She was a typically conservative Thai lady the 1st night out. Second night we go out again, back to the room, she asks to use the bathroom with her purse, and comes out in lingerie. This after proclaiming that she is not going to sleep with me. I've since learned she lives with a guy in Canada.

My favorite encounter involved yet another Thai sweet / desert. I had no idea what these deserts were. Like a coconut cream wrapped in banana leaf. I walk up to a good looking lady buying one at a street stall and I ask "what are they?". After looking at me like I was from another planet, she hands one to me and says "Here, try one", again in great English. She was curious what I (a farang) was doing in this farang free part of town eating street food. We talked, she took me in her car to a nice place for a drink, exchanged numbers, agreed to met again. Not even a parting goodbye kiss."too soon" she said. This young lady was a flight attendant for one of the larger Asian airlines. Low thirties in age, young daughter, Thai husband recently left her for a younger lady, her parents live with her in her home. A classic Thai woman, she was very cautious with me. After a few dates we closed the deal, traveled down south, spent more time together together. I messed up with this lady and still regret it. I got sidetracked by a young Isaan girl (an employee at my hotel). Live and learn.

I met my current fancy in the checkout line of a grocery store.

Still looking.

This time decided to go hunting, first in thermae, I'm not sure about the name but it's a place for Korean, this means they are used to small tools and big money. Could not find anything for my taste, either too professional or not so cute, anyway the request was 2k st. 4k lt, short time means whenever you have finished and lt all night, provided that you make clear you are going to pay after.

On the road again found a nice looking, called Mam. 32 yo, not a stunner but nice smile and not professional, the contract was signed for *1, 5k / 2 times.

Back in the room she showered me and her, on the bed she was very nice always smiling a part from when she could not, it's impolite to smile and talk when the mouth is full.

I let her do the job until the end and she accomplished her task with enthusiasm, then talking about the usual things. Time to recover and let her start again work me out with the tongue before covering and starting all different ways, I love doggy so this was the way to the end.

Talking again and relaxing on the bed, she is a good company and not time looking.

Body 7.

BBBJ 7 no cim.

Fk 7.

Second channel not asked.

I'll post a picture later in the gallery section.

Have the contact in case you like to taste her and give us a feedback, pm me

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1281102]You're being so nice these days that I said I would. Just need the time to do it is all. I have a job so long reports are not for weekdays. I usually rant from my mobile phone so writing reports with that is not easy.

I will get around to it.

But mind you, I't now a system perse, I'm not german so no spreadsheet, statistics and all.[/QUOTE]Ah ok, now I see. You should have mentoined that you would post it later, I made the wrong assumption that the system was contained in that same post. Look forward to hearing it.

Different guys have different styles of pursuit. I actually tend to be closer to NF's style. The idea of having to keep track of all these different girls, getting messages from them all the time, keeping it all straight, not to mention the things you would be required to say (I guess you can't just be open and honest about things if they start to ask whether you are seeing anyone, or what you're objective is).

But in terms of pursuit strategies, I notice there's some guys who like quantity over quality. They prefer to be with plenty of girls, getting their fun as frequently as possible, and to do that means setting the bar lower for the girls in terms of looks, etc. Then there's others who aren't into it unless the girls are especially hot, who consider it a waste of time to go after many of the ones the quantity guy goes with. They see him with one of those girls and think,"What does he see in her? I'd never go with that girl." But we all know which guy is having more sex. Different strokes.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1281389]Ah ok, now I see. You should have mentoined that you would post it later, I made the wrong assumption that the system was contained in that same post. Look forward to hearing it.[/quote]In that post I was quoting the system of Bowerboy, not mine.

I will post my way later int he week.

[QUOTE=LuvnLatinas;1281070]Monday is a Mon day. LOL.[/QUOTE]So I don't know if I would say I was a dumb ass or a stubborn ass LOL. I was out wandering around and found myself near Soi 24 so I decided to go and check out Pink Massage. Now I usually make a 'wish list' from the website but I hadn't planned on doing an early session today so I had no list. Into Pink I go, the mamasan has a big smile and is talking a mile a minute in thai. She put a price list on the counter and I pointed out what I wanted. 2 hour massage, regular room. She then put a book on the counter and I started to flip through it, seeing some girls I remembered from the website. I asked if I could see the girls in person but with no thai language skills I didn't get the point across. I ended up picking Ploy out of the book, the mamasan went to the wall of mirrors and opened a sliding panel for Ploy to come out. Out comes Ploy, dressed nice, looking good, but no smile and didn't look happy. Uh oh I'm thinking, this doesn't look good. A brief 'sawadee', then she started to the stairs motioning me to follow. I did not get a good vibe at all and thought about canceling her and asking for someone else. This is where I don't know if I was being a 'the' or a 'SA', as I quickly decided I wanted to see if I could somehow turn Ploy around and it would get better.

The room was fairly small, single bed, small shower with a round wood tub to stand in. Ploy showered us up, not very talkative and I thought maybe she didn't speak English. I discovered later she speaks decent English when she wants to. We got on the bed and she did give me a decent massage but it seemed mechanical. I tried to draw out some conversation but ended up thinking 'screw it' and just relaxed and enjoyed the massage. I saw her check her watch on the table beside the bed and asked how much time was left. 'Little more 1 hour' she replied. I said ok and flipped so she would massage my front a bit and then do the 'boom boom'. While she massaged my front she asked where I was from and I told her. She said 'you not American? ' I said no. She said she didn't like American because the always try to fuck the ass. She also didn't like Indian. I'm thinking 'this isn't something you should be saying to a customer' but her demeanor seemed to get better and she was friendlier. She started massaging my balls, the dick was hard, and it was time to pick up the pace of this encounter.

Her BBBJ was ok but she kept stopping and starting. I told her not to stop so much and she did for a minute or 2, then back to her technique again. After a bit when she stopped I sat up, grabbed a condom, and got her on top. Only a couple of minutes passed and she started getting into it. She was grinding round and round, up and down, some doggie moving back and forth against me, and side by side. I pulled out and popped on her tits while she fingered her box and my balls.

Jumping into the shower she did a good job of cleaning me up, all the while chatting away in decent English. Why she wasn't like this at the start I have no idea. What I thought would be a crappy session turned out ok in the end. Not good or great, but ok. So I think I lucked out and was only a stubborn ass LOL.

Date of encounter: 15 May 2012.

Name: Ploy. &12503; &12525; &12452; &12385; &12419; &12435; – 11th down on website.

Age: 22.

Languages: Thai, decent English if she wants to.

[B]Making Contact[/B]

How did you find her: at the MP.

Link:

[url]http://pinkmassage2.com/girls.htm[/url]

Did she match her pics: very little.

Percentage Photoshop: 60, skin whitened about 20, face changed to look younger, tits enhanced on pic – they are not that 'full'

Was she on time: on location.

Neighborhood: Soi 24.

[B]Does she or doesn't she[/B]

Anal: don't know.

Oral w or w / o: w / o but not that great, always stopping and starting.

Kissing: didn't try.

Any restrictions:

[B]How would you rate her[/B]

Face: 6, about an average looking girl, not a dog but not a stunner.

Tits: 5. 5, tits were ok but nothing like in her pic.

Ass: 7, butt gets a good mark, nice not saggy.

Body: 6, overall an ok body, good but nothing to separate her from others.

[B]Level of Service[/B]

Enthusiastic or Business-Like: business-like at first, better once the dick was in her.

Clock Watcher: Looked at her watch once.

Her strong point: nothing really stood out.

Her weak point: started out very business-like, no smile, totally professional.

$$$ & Time: 2470 baht 2 hours.

Overall Rating of Encounter: 6, I can only give a 6 due to her actions at the start.

Do you recommend: no, didn't get a good vibe from the get-go even though it got better

Nice review of Ploy, For me at PINK it's very simple: It's Keaw or nothing.

Brothers, I will be staying at hotel four seasons as I will be attending a conference. As this is my first time alone to Bangkok, I need advise as to whether the place is near any great entertainment areas. I have tried to find information on this hotel from this forum but was not able to do so. There is far too much info on the bars / areas and I am totally confused. Assuming that I don't have time to experiment, whats the best option for me to get a nice girl and have a meaningful 2 hour GFE session! I don't want to go too far from the hotel.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Juggie

Bowerboy had a soulution in his earlier post here about suggest group sex to get rid of a lady (or if she into it it is a win win sit.).

I have been e-mailing and chatting (msn) with a girl working in a restaurant in Soi 11. A nice little stunner from Rayong. We had some fun times together and she is into everything (had to work quite a lot to enter the backdoor but that is history now). Lately I get the feeling though that she has become rather serious about our situation and that is not a good thing in my book. I thought I might, upon my arrival the 17. May, try to scare her away about suggestion a 3some. I even asked her if she had a friend willing to participate in such an event.

I got a sms from her now and her manager (also a cute little stunner that I have seen and talked to on previous occations) will participate on Thursday before they start working. Suites me fine as I have an early morning arrival. OMG so it did not scare her at all but I feel like a bit successful despite my initial wish. Well I think I might end this at a later stage then.

Kamagra here we go.

[QUOTE=Juggie2006; 1281598]Brothers, I will be staying at hotel four seasons as I will be attending a conference. As this is my first time alone to Bangkok, I need advise as to whether the place is near any great entertainment areas. I have tried to find information on this hotel from this forum but was not able to do so. There is far too much info on the bars / areas and I am totally confused. Assuming that I don't have time to experiment, whats the best option for me to get a nice girl and have a meaningful 2 hour GFE session! I don't want to go too far from the hotel.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Juggie[/QUOTE]If you do not want to venture far Spasso might work for you. It is in the lower level of the Hyatt, almost next door to the 4 Seasons, and less than a five minute walk. It's a disco type place but 80+ percent of the girls in there are working. Some nice and some not so nice. Really depends on who shows up. Most girls will ask for a lot of money. 5K or so, but are usually flexible. Most ladies show up after 11.

Was in Phuket, celebrating the fact Man City won (I'm not a fan but I am in the anybody but MUFC camp ). That led to a few hearty beers followed by a lady from one of the many bars there.

Woke up to find said lady licking my balls rather nicely, but I noticed I'm already late so that curtailed that activity.

Headed to airport, arrived in BKK mid afternoon.

One of my old favourites, Ms G arrived in hotel about 30 mins later. Ms G is Thai, married, mid 20's with a husband working in Singapore. He doesn't seem to visit often but does provide Ms G and daughter with a nice apartment near Plaza Athenee. Anyways Ms G drove to my hotel and then joined me. After lots of dancing around we ended up in bed (yes honey, just for a nap, LOL) , and from there to bonking. I see her every BKK trip I have. I think she's quite lonely as she doesn't work Anyways who wouldn't want a young slim tall married Thai lady in their bed. Oh and when I said tall, omitted the fact that she arrived wearing very tall high heels. I think she ended up at 6ft, and my Chinese colleagues sitting in the lobby were suitably impressed. Oh an of course Ms G was free.

Anyways, she arrived at 3 and left at 6 as I had a busy agenda.

I wasnt sure who I would be meeting at 11pm that night, as one girl I know had said she was trying to travel from Petchaburi but had to do overtime at work.

Another was a definate. And the massage girl I had from 6-7pm had indicated she would be very happy to join me at 11 for drinks and evening joy.

Anyways the massage was in the normal curtained off place. Nothing special but the girl was cute but as all other curtained areas were occupied she wouldn't play. No matter. I said maybe we meet at 11.

Off for drinks in Nana. Always enjoy Spankies, and Erotica. Like the small titties on the girls in Erotica.

From there I realised I needed some release but didn't want to go thru the whole massage again (Hi I'm here for a massage but can you give me a nice oily HJ instead now!). Anyways found Lolliop for a 15 min blow which was fine, rather pedestrian and run of the mill but just what I needed.

When I arrived there the best looking girl was wearing a tshirt and not the stafff uniform. I had asked her to give me my BJ but turns out she was a friend just visiting. Shame, she was cute.

Anyways blow over, headed to Cowboy. Normal look in Dollhouse upstairs, onto Rawhide where a lady came and basically sat on my fingers. Sure you can get a drink honey LOL.

From there, after much texting, I met a BKK lady I had met one year ago. I think she's about 40, tall, skinny legs, impressive rack. I figured when we met a year back she would forget me but didn't, and I in turn remembered her very impressive body. Anyways we met near Cowboy in a Sheffield themed pub (being a yorkshireman that worked for me!). Had a few too many drinks, managed to get to the sex by 2am I think then up at 8 for flight.

She was free to, except for a little taxi fare.

And that was that. One night in BKK.

Was wondering if the massage places all have rubbers / raincoats on hand?

Else, I'm assuming a nearby drug store has a good selection at a reasonably cost?

Does anyone have a reliable chemist for the blue diamonds?

Thanks brothers!

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1281634]Bowerboy had a soulution in his earlier post here about suggest group sex to get rid of a lady (or if she into it it is a win win sit.).

I have been e-mailing and chatting (msn) with a girl working in a restaurant in Soi 11. A nice little stunner from Rayong. We had some fun times together and she is into everything (had to work quite a lot to enter the backdoor but that is history now). Lately I get the feeling though that she has become rather serious about our situation and that is not a good thing in my book. I thought I might, upon my arrival the 17. May, try to scare her away about suggestion a 3some. I even asked her if she had a friend willing to participate in such an event.

I got a sms from her now and her manager (also a cute little stunner that I have seen and talked to on previous occations) will participate on Thursday before they start working. Suites me fine as I have an early morning arrival. OMG so it did not scare her at all but I feel like a bit successful despite my initial wish. Well I think I might end this at a later stage then.

Kamagra here we go.[/QUOTE]While I don't agree on lying to women (har ingen fortalt deg at det er galt å lyve?) , and lose out on a lot of women due to that, I'm sure we are all here scratching our heads on how to help you with this problem.

Hope to see a followup in the photos thread.

[QUOTE=Werqweq; 1281787]While I don't agree on lying to women (har ingen fortalt deg at det er galt å lyve?) , and lose out on a lot of women due to that, I'm sure we are all here scratching our heads on how to help you with this problem.

Hope to see a followup in the photos thread.[/QUOTE]Yes, lying is really bad (however everyone does it and the girls also) , I suggest you tell her you tried do "do it" with a guy and you are now 100% Gay. Hahahahaha

How do you tell a Thai girl she has a smelly poos without having her "lose face"? This chick is attractive and has a nice body, spends a ton on skin care products and treatment services, yet doesn't appear to be aware that her poos stinks. Its to the point where I don't like having sex with her now.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1281634]Bowerboy had a soulution in his earlier post here about suggest group sex to get rid of a lady (or if she into it it is a win win sit.).

I have been e-mailing and chatting (msn) with a girl working in a restaurant in Soi 11. A nice little stunner from Rayong. We had some fun times together and she is into everything (had to work quite a lot to enter the backdoor but that is history now). Lately I get the feeling though that she has become rather serious about our situation and that is not a good thing in my book. I thought I might, upon my arrival the 17. May, try to scare her away about suggestion a 3some. I even asked her if she had a friend willing to participate in such an event.

I got a sms from her now and her manager (also a cute little stunner that I have seen and talked to on previous occations) will participate on Thursday before they start working. Suites me fine as I have an early morning arrival. OMG so it did not scare her at all but I feel like a bit successful despite my initial wish. Well I think I might end this at a later stage then.

Kamagra here we go.[/QUOTE]Try learning the phrase about old buffalo and green grass.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1281803]How do you tell a Thai girl she has a smelly poos without having her "lose face"? This chick is attractive and has a nice body, spends a ton on skin care products and treatment services, yet doesn't appear to be aware that her poos stinks. Its to the point where I don't like having sex with her now.[/QUOTE]I'm no doctor, but isn't this usually caused by an infection? Quite common and most women seem to get it now and then, so just tell her it smells like she might have an infection down there and that perhaps she should see a doctor about it to make sure.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;1281815]I'm no doctor, but isn't this usually caused by an infection? Quite common and most women seem to get it now and then, so just tell her it smells like she might have an infection down there and that perhaps she should see a doctor about it to make sure.[/QUOTE]Yep, I was thinking the same

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1281803]How do you tell a Thai girl she has a smelly poos without having her "lose face"? This chick is attractive and has a nice body, spends a ton on skin care products and treatment services, yet doesn't appear to be aware that her poos stinks. Its to the point where I don't like having sex with her now.[/QUOTE]God I hate that. What a turn off. I have to admit I have never had a Thai girl with a stinky pussy. They are always taking showers. The Hispanics usually stink from my experience.

I would tell her though. If not, stick some Vicks in your nose before you eat it and fuck it. It will kill the stink from her pussy.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1281908]God I hate that. What a turn off. I have to admit I have never had a Thai girl with a stinky pussy. They are always taking showers. The Hispanics usually stink from my experience.

I would tell her though. If not, stick some Vicks in your nose before you eat it and fuck it. It will kill the stink from her pussy.[/QUOTE]Man, the [b]worst pussy of my whole LIFE[/b] was in Thailand. Here's the review I wrote back then:

It was at [b]GARDEN SPA. Washington Square[/b] (now defunct)

[i]

Have not posted anything interesting in a long time and wanted to share with you a nice and surprising experience that happened last year.

I was eating at Bourbon Street (cajun Restaurant) on Washington Square, reading the newspaper and really felt I needed to relax / nap.

Sazanka is next door but I did not want anything with Extras so I headed towards that legit looking massage place across Sazanka. The one that looks like an old Sauna (I think it is actually). Not sure about the name of the place but for those of you who have been to Sazanka, you will know which place I am referring to.

I went inside and they have an old looking counter with price list and an old lady smiling behind it. Place looked dodgy but I was only after a TTM so it did not really matter.

I saw they had TTM at less than 200 thb and 250 thb in VIP Room. Great, if it is cheap, it usually is a legit joint.

I point towards the 250 in VIP Room and the lady gives me a great smile. She asks me to follow her.

We go to an elevator and up to the 3rd or 4th floor. She opens the door to a big room with 2 mattresses on the floor, a sofa with coffee table and a TV.

She opened the TV and asked me to change into the TTM Clothes.

I did so but switched off the TV as I wanted to sleep. I sat on the Sofa plating with my phone until the masseuse showed up. The room was very dark and I wasn't interested who was gong to do the massage so I did not even look at her.

I laid down on my stomach and went to sleep. She must have sensed that I was tired and did not give a strong massage because I did not feel a thing. Maybe she did not even massage me and watched TV for half an hour LOL. I was so sound asleep.

Time to turn over, I woke up a little and dozed off again. I am not sure how long had passed but something woke me up. I felt the lady was massaging my cock through the TTM Pants. I wanted to have a better look and tried to get my head up but the lady pushed me back down "ok, you sleep".

I laid back down but couldn't sleep anymore, just closed my eyes and enjoyed. She lowered my pants and started to stroke me slowly, then faster until I sensed a warm feeling around my cock: she had put me in her mouth.

As I opened my eyes, I saw that she was touching herself while blowing me. She was doing a pretty good job. As I was close to erupting, I got up, disrobed her and was ready to give her the rooting she wanted.

As I removed her panties, I had to take a few steps back! Some ladies have a strong Fishy smell "down there" but this girl's fish had died long ago and she probably left it inside to rot. The smell was almost so strong I was going to puke. The Thai masseuse (young, slim and not bad looking) seemed completely oblivious to the smell (could it be that she sniffs so many time on these inhalers that she lost every sense of smell?)

I needed to get out of there and FAST! I took a deep breath, apologised saying I had no condom. No way, she happily took out some from her purse.

I was sweating, trying to find a way to escape. My pecker was so scared it never looked that small, I think if it could hide inside my body, it would have.

To cut a long Story Short, My phone Rang and I was never so happy to hear it ring. I told her it is my boss and I have to run. She looked disappointed and begged me to come back for her.

Even though she got dressed there was still a lingering Stench in the room. I wonder what the Maid must have though when she entered the room to clean it.

I wanted to give my masseuse a tip but she only took 100thb and asked me to come back "I like you hansum, you come see me, I want you" yeah, right.

Shit, almost a year has passed and the smell is still tickling my nostrils.

Anyway, for those of you who always wondered, that Sauna joint looks like it is an FS friendly place since even the TTM girls carry condoms. [/i]

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1281803]How do you tell a Thai girl she has a smelly poos without having her "lose face"? This chick is attractive and has a nice body, spends a ton on skin care products and treatment services, yet doesn't appear to be aware that her poos stinks. Its to the point where I don't like having sex with her now.[/QUOTE]What is wrong with you? Dig yourself into the situation and think of it as a aging wheel of strong Italian cheese from your favorite deli? Dig in and get yourself some Thai Dorian don't you know it is in season? Or better yet you don't need to say a word? Just finger fuck her get a scope of that lovely smelly yeast infection and then while you are kissing her rub that same finger over her nose. She won't say a word but she will get the point and get it fix. Or last, you get just get busy with your tongue and dig in and clean up the mess yourself.

LBM

[QUOTE=Juggie2006;1281598]Brothers, I will be staying at hotel four seasons as I will be attending a conference. As this is my first time alone to Bangkok, I need advise as to whether the place is near any great entertainment areas.[/QUOTE]Juggie, search for "Four Seasons Bangkok" in Google Maps. See where you are? See the big orange expressway ("toll road")? Just to the east is a llabel "Nana Hotel." That's ground zero, and not a bad walk from your hotel.

[QUOTE=Juggie2006; 1281598]Brothers, I will be staying at hotel four seasons as I will be attending a conference. As this is my first time alone to Bangkok, I need advise as to whether the place is near any great entertainment areas. I have tried to find information on this hotel from this forum but was not able to do so. There is far too much info on the bars / areas and I am totally confused. Assuming that I don't have time to experiment, whats the best option for me to get a nice girl and have a meaningful 2 hour GFE session! I don't want to go too far from the hotel.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Juggie[/QUOTE]I think the best thing you can do is go to Mango's website: [url]http://www.mangomassagebkk.com/ladies/[/url] Or go to Snow white Website: [url]http://snowwhitesoi26.com/ladies.html[/url]

And call them, ask for a girl to join you in the room.

Easy peasy.

Or hop in the Rachadamri BTS (Silom Line) and go to Sala Daeng (Patpong) and there is a lot there to do. Oily, Soapy, BJ Bars, bars. Take your pick

[QUOTE=Nick Depalma; 1281747]Was wondering if the massage places all have rubbers / raincoats on hand?

Else, I'm assuming a nearby drug store has a good selection at a reasonably cost?

Does anyone have a reliable chemist for the blue diamonds?

Thanks brothers![/QUOTE]Best chemist I know is the big one next to Bulys Pub on Sukh close to entrance to Nana. Think gas station, pharma and Bullys. They have everything you want there, I've been buying there for several years. This year I aslo bought some Cappra, no idea if its good, but will try it this weekend. A member posted about it recently.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1281993]Nobodys perfect!

Just tell her she smells like an indian down under and leave.

Re-her losing her face. Were you planning on telling her in front of her friends. Hahahahahaha?

You live there mr Tony?[/QUOTE]Yes sir. I live here. Not exactly easy telling a girl smells like an Indian after she treats you to swensons LOL.

Hmmm just texted her she had an infection yesterday and haven't heard back yet.

Speaking of Indians in Thailand, I've noticed quite a few of them holding hands together, is this an indian custom, like Italians kiss each other on the cheek, or they gay? I have yet to see an Indian holding hands with a a Thai girl.. I guess I haven't been here long enough..

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1282118]Speaking of Indians in Thailand, I've noticed quite a few of them holding hands together, is this an indian custom? .[/QUOTE]That's a question that only someone who has never been to India could ask. Or someone who's world has taken him from the factory floor to lower Sukh, with no stops in between. Yeah, it's customary. Redirect your gaydar to tune in on LB's.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1282118]Yes sir. I live here. Speaking of Indians in Thailand, I've noticed quite a few of them holding hands together, is this an indian custom, like Italians kiss each other on the cheek, or they gay?[/QUOTE]Its quite acceptable in Thai culture for two guys to be holding hands, walk arm in arm, or even sleep in a double bed together while not being gay in the slighest. So it would not seem strange to me if two guys from another Eastern culture were doing the same, or even a Farang and an asian person. My SE Asian boss is a rather touchy person, and might grab my arm to take me over to his desk, but I take no offense because its just their culture.

Would not happen in my home country of course.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1281928]As I removed her panties, I had to take a few steps back! Some ladies have a strong Fishy smell "down there" but this girl's fish had died long ago and she probably left it inside to rot. The smell was almost so strong I was going to puke. The Thai masseuse (young, slim and not bad looking) seemed completely oblivious to the smell (could it be that she sniffs so many time on these inhalers that she lost every sense of smell?)[/QUOTE]Most Thai girls smell good. Older girls have tend to have pussy odour more than the young ones. Same goes for bad breath. I agree that odours are often caused by infections, lack of cleanliness, or "time of month".

I once met a half Thai half Jamaican girl who was clearly having a period, as the stench was so bad I was gagging and nearly passed out, and that was just from standing next to her. Was not normal BO. She looked slightly spaced out (drugs?) , so could be a lack of cleanliness as well. There was no thought of touching her pussy in any way, or getting close to it. Just to escape rapidly.

When girls stink this badly, I can smell it, even if they are fully clothed. The smell goes through underwear and jeans no problem.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1280726]we "ain't" going to change Thailand. Hopefully though, it will change us for the better. Thais have a great capacity for joy. Best thing about living with a Thai woman is that she wakes up happy almost every morning. Nice![/QUOTE]Beautifully said Goatscrot, I couldn't agree more. I've learned to be happier here, at the contact of Thais.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1282118]Speaking of Indians in Thailand, I've noticed quite a few of them holding hands together, is this an indian custo.[/QUOTE]I don't get to BKK that often sadly so when I do I always take a moment to look around and see whats changing and changed. Well on my last trip there were great gangs of Indians roaming around but none were actually entering any of the Cowboy bars.

On this trip, my hotel and a few ther hotels I stopped in were full of Indians. On Cowboy itself, they had learned to stop roaming around in gangs and had clearly learnt that groups don't realy get the girls. So inside Spankys, and Rainbow. They were happily sitting around in groups of two, or three or four guys. And true to Indian form, with one girl shared between them all. LOL. They are slowly getting there.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1282167]Most Thai girls smell good. Older girls have tend to have pussy odour more than the young ones. Same goes for bad breath. I agree that odours are often caused by infections, lack of cleanliness, or "time of month".

I once met a half Thai half Jamaican girl who was clearly having a period, as the stench was so bad I was gagging and nearly passed out, and that was just from standing next to her. Was not normal BO. She looked slightly spaced out (drugs?) , so could be a lack of cleanliness as well. There was no thought of touching her pussy in any way, or getting close to it. Just to escape rapidly.

When girls stink this badly, I can smell it, even if they are fully clothed. The smell goes through underwear and jeans no problem.[/QUOTE]That's just the black girl (and guy) smell. It's sort of musky like a horse or a barnyard. Some of them have it worse than others, but it can get bad when they're hot. Has something to do with their sweat glands.

I was all excited the first few times I had a black girl in the US, but then I had a Jamaican born girl in the summertime after she had played tennis, and the smell was so bad that I haven't been with a black girl since.

The Indian girls I've been with have not smelled however.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1282198]Indians roaming around but none were actually entering any of the Cowboy bars. full of Indians On Cowboy itself, they had learned to stop roaming[/QUOTE]Indians on Cowboy just doesn't sound right. What you've been seeing are either 'subcontinentals' or 'hindus' right

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1282167]Most Thai girls smell good. Older girls have tend to have pussy odour more than the young ones. Same goes for bad breath. I agree that odours are often caused by infections, lack of cleanliness, or "time of month".

I once met a half Thai half Jamaican girl who was clearly having a period, as the stench was so bad I was gagging and nearly passed out, and that was just from standing next to her. Was not normal BO. She looked slightly spaced out (drugs?) , so could be a lack of cleanliness as well. There was no thought of touching her pussy in any way, or getting close to it. Just to escape rapidly.

When girls stink this badly, I can smell it, even if they are fully clothed. The smell goes through underwear and jeans no problem.[/QUOTE]LOL that's one of the most hilarious things I've ever read. Up there with some of Giottos' posts.

"Come to Miracle Thailand where you can be clubbed by security guards in Bangkok, kidnapped by fake police and scammed at every corner in Pattaya, beaten up by the TukTuk mafia in Phuket, killed in Chiang Mai from the over use of pesticides in the hotel, murdered by the police in Pai, killed by a mini van on any road in the country, and catch drug resistant malaria, HIV, bird flu, and swine flu. And if you're really lucky, you'll be murdered violently and the police will rule it a suicide even thought your arms were tied behind your back and your head was found a kilometer away."

[QUOTE=GentleBoner;1282313]That's just the black girl (and guy) smell. It's sort of musky like a horse or a barnyard. Some of them have it worse than others, but it can get bad when they're hot. Has something to do with their sweat glands.[/QUOTE]No I was talking about menstrual period stench, which is very different, and can happen to girls who do not normally smell bad (throughout the whole month). I made that clear already. I do know the acrid pong of under-arm BO due to apocrine sweat glands breeding bacteria.

What's the deal with Sukhumvit being taken over by Indians, by the way? I mean half the businesses are indians tailors, indian restaurants, etc. I remember reading here that this wasn't the case 10 years ago. Anyone knows the reason of this change?

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1282397]Indians on Cowboy just doesn't sound right. What you've been seeing are either 'subcontinentals' or 'hindus' right[/QUOTE]Indians on Cowboy sounds perfect to an American as we have a long traditional fascination with "coyboys and indians," as any lover of old western movies will know.

GE

My second visit to the famous Eden Club in Bangkok.

Upon entering, only a few ladies were present, but in less time than it took to take a sip from my drink, about 20 ladies filed in.

One immediately caught my eye. Nice face, little bit curvy, not too small, not too big. As is customary she choose the second lady and her choice was a chubby gal. Mai pen rai. It doesn't always have to be skinny and small.

At the room it turned out my choice was new to Eden club and her "friend" really was her mentor / trainer.

I got a *very* good cleaning in the shower. The student wanted to show the teacher how well she remembered all lessons it seems. I don't think I have ever been so clean!

Then on to the bed. Both taking turns in sucking and licking me, with the teacher finishing me in her mouth.

Next came massage time. I got a really good Thai style massage from both of them. I guess it took about 20 minutes and that allowed me to recover. So after the massage, I was ready again and put both ladies on their backs so I could have a good look at their pussies. The student's pussy looked the most cute to me, so I gave that a good licking. The teacher joined in and kissed the student and licked her nipples. By now my little friend was fully ready and the teacher put the condom on him. I asked if she could take care of her own pussy whilst I fucked the student and obligingly she grabbed a dildo and started fucking her own pussy.

I pounded away in the student's pussy: it was smooth going, moist and hot. She had no problem taking all my length in missionary position. I did not even bother to change position as this felt very good. Meanwhile the teacher continued playing with the dildo. When the student pinched my nipples, I came.

Wow, this was a great session. Much better than last time when the action was good but rather "scripted". This seemed more "natural" and "spontaneous".

Costs: 4000 baht plus 2 x 200 baht tip.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1282531]What's the deal with Sukhumvit being taken over by Indians, by the way? I mean half the businesses are indians tailors, indian restaurants, etc. I remember reading here that this wasn't the case 10 years ago. Anyone knows the reason of this change?[/QUOTE]Most these Indians are Born in Thailand, they are Thai-Indians so they are in their own country I guess.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1282531]What's the deal with Sukhumvit being taken over by Indians, by the way? I mean half the businesses are indians tailors, indian restaurants, etc. I remember reading here that this wasn't the case 10 years ago. Anyone knows the reason of this change?[/QUOTE]And freedom of movement within the Sub Asian continent. Don't know where you from, however, more than likely your country is home to numerous Aliens who are entrenched in the fact that they will not adopt their new language, refuse to change their cultural beliefs. Where I live, UK, we have people who cannot speak English and present themselves unashamedly Alien. Believe it or not. Within my Company we have people in responsible positions, English language skills at about 40 percent. We the workforce do not understand them.

NWO, Wheather we like it or not, constitutions were toilet paper to the Shadow Masters a very long time ago.

The aim is to break down your Nationalism, patriotism and stymy your free speach. Say anything out of turn: The big 'R' word, the minorities love to cry along with political opportunists and apologists. The Sheople have a duty to take it all back, but no, they continue watching TV.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1282557]Most these Indians are Born in Thailand, they are Thai-Indians so they are in their own country I guess.[/QUOTE]There's a lot of Thais with Indian ancestry. Sikhs, Hindu, Buddhists, Jains, etc, are all in the mix. You can visit Bangkok districts such as lower Silom, or Pahurat, to see this.

Indians, or Thai-Indians, play a large role in the growing local hotel industry. Plus, a lot of Indian families travel to Thailand to have lavish weddings at the 5-star hotels along the Chao Phraya River.

And, despite the convenient stereotype, many of the tailor shop guys are actually from Nepal.

Yes but according to other reports here, the take over by indians in terms of presence in the streets and businesses etc is recent. I can't confirm this as I wasn't hanging out in BKK 15 years ago, but that's what I read.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1282572]Yes but according to other reports here, the take over by indians in terms of presence in the streets and businesses etc is recent. I can't confirm this as I wasn't hanging out in BKK 15 years ago, but that's what I read.[/QUOTE]Indians have been active in Thailand business for centuries.

"Historical Ties India And Thailand" - [url]http://www.esamskriti.com/essay-chapters/Historical-Ties-India-and-Thailand-1.aspx[/url]

More on the Nepalis:

"Nepalis in Thailand" - [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepalis_in_Thailand[/url]

"Nepalese in Bangkok " - [url]http://www.ecs.com.np/feature_detail.php?f_id=166:[/url]

[QUOTE=Iowaska; 1268642]Hi all, I'm going to Thailand end of May, for two weeks, with my gf and two other couples (6 in total. All friends)

We arrive in Bangkok spend 3nights then travel to coh Chang spend 5 nights, then back to Bancok for another 3 nights (don't ask why the gf booked it! LOL).

I desperately wanted to go without the Mrs but because she's already been, there was no way she was gona let me go alone so we ended up in this group situation. Being as its 3 boys and 3 girls, the lads will Defo have a boys night out (a few if its up to me!)

My friend at work says pattya is a must for one night at least and we also intend to attend a moon party whilst were in co Chang one of the neighbouring islands are hosting one, just needed some advice on how best to punt and manouver to get the best possible experiences given the situation as I would want to slit my wrists if I came back to London without adequate exploration. Thanks.

Hi all, ima taking a verything is already pre booked and paid. Were arriving in Bangkok sat 26th may and are [email]staying@glow[/email] Trinity hotel, on 29th we take private minibus to Trat. Ferry to koh Chang, once in koh Chang were [email]staying@aana[/email] Resort until 6th June then back to Bangkok by minibus / ferry to stay at sky tower hotel leaving Bangkok for London on the 8th June. I understand there are loads of small islands surrounding coh Chang so I want to visit as many of them as possible, just looking for maximum experience out of a limited situation, I think I may have to feint argument just before holiday to gain some freedom / leverage. Hehe. Will also have to explore areas surrounding Bangkok for some fun, my friend went in the 90's and paid £80 and had 4 wgs for 8hrs fully at his disposal, what's the going rYe for services so I know I ain't Gona get ripped off?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Wow man. I couldn't think of anything worse than coming to Thailand in the above scenario.

You will have plenty of chance to get out wide though either in KC or BKK.

Good luck

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1282569]And, despite the convenient stereotype, many of the tailor shop guys are actually from Nepal.[/QUOTE]Very interesting indeed, Thank you, I have learned something today

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1282569]There's a lot of Thais with Indian ancestry. Sikhs, Hindu, Buddhists, Jains, etc, are all in the mix. You can visit Bangkok districts such as lower Silom, or Pahurat, to see this.

Indians, or Thai-Indians, play a large role in the growing local hotel industry. Plus, a lot of Indian families travel to Thailand to have lavish weddings at the 5-star hotels along the Chao Phraya River.

And, despite the convenient stereotype, many of the tailor shop guys are actually from Nepal.[/QUOTE]Thai Language comes from Sanskrit and Pali. Which are old Indian Languages and they happen to be the mother language of all modern Indian Languages (BTW India has around 20 Languages, all different from each other)

Buddism comes from India too. Around 97% of Thais are Buddhists.

Go figure the "indian" influence which has been there for centuries.

[QUOTE=Iowaska;1268642]my friend went in the 90's and paid £80 and had 4 wgs for 8hrs fully at his disposal[/QUOTE]Those were the days I guess.

Do not go to Pattaya. It is not "a must" and you do not have enough time to justify going there.

For going rates and places, RTFF.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1282531]What's the deal with Sukhumvit being taken over by Indians, by the way? I mean half the businesses are indians tailors, indian restaurants, etc. I remember reading here that this wasn't the case 10 years ago. Anyone knows the reason of this change?[/QUOTE]You want to know, ask them. Some are Bangladeshi, Muslim. Some Hindu. Some not subcontinentals at all.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1282591]Do not go to Pattaya. It is not "a must" and you do not have enough time to justify going there.[/QUOTE]I agree, you will waste your time going to Pattaya.

Also, as your GF will be with you adn she has been to Thailand before, I'd say your chances of a "Boys night out" is very very unlikely.

My advice to you would be to find a nice place (SPA would be good) where you know Extras are offered (This forum can help you) and where your wife will not suspect anything.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1282198]On this trip, my hotel and a few ther hotels I stopped in were full of Indians. On Cowboy itself, they had learned to stop roaming around in gangs and had clearly learnt that groups don't realy get the girls. So inside Spankys, and Rainbow. They were happily sitting around in groups of two, or three or four guys. And true to Indian form, with one girl shared between them all. LOL. They are slowly getting there.[/QUOTE]Well, Indian middle class is getting rich. Disposable income is increasing. Bangkok remains a near and easy spot to get to. In terms of prices it is also cheap for Indian to buy a return ticket and stay in Hotel. For eg taking a return flight to Goa from Delhi at most time is more costly than a Delhi. BKK flight. Secondly hotel prices in Goa are way over the top even for three-four star properties. Considering that it remains a good option to fly out to Thailand for 4-5 days have some fun with the boys, bang some pussy and return hope with cheap stuff for everyone!

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1175559]Sorry about this thread. I posted it by mistake one night when downloading some photos. I immediately e-mailed Jackson and asked him to delete it, but he appears to be asleep at the wheel (except for ladyboy references).

I'm surprised it has any legs at all.[/QUOTE]Since the other Bangkok thread has been fucked for some time and recently renamed, it seems convenient for this one to take over Bangkok Mongering reports.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1282617]I agree, you will waste your time going to Pattaya.

Also, as your GF will be with you adn she has been to Thailand before, I'd say your chances of a "Boys night out" is very very unlikely.

My advice to you would be to find a nice place (SPA would be good) where you know Extras are offered (This forum can help you) and where your wife will not suspect anything.[/QUOTE]Nics right, since your wife is with you. Stay in Bangkok, it is for families, sightseeing, fancy and expensive food and of course shopping etc.

Pattaya is a "shithole" and once your wife see it, you will be in a load of shit!

LBM

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1282586]Thai Language comes from Sanskrit and Pali. Which are old Indian Languages and they happen to be the mother language of all modern Indian Languages (BTW India has around 20 Languages, all different from each other)

Buddism comes from India too. Around 97% of Thais are Buddhists.

Go figure the "indian" influence which has been there for centuries.[/QUOTE]Thai language script (and Laos script) is influenced by Khmer script and maybe Sanskrit although Sanskrit appears to have no script of its own. While some Thai words are borrowed from Sanskrit and Pali languages, its a stretch to say that Thai comes from them. Modern Thai has probably more English related words than Pali words, excepting possibly in religious type of speach. I speak Thai, but when I hear Pali spoken by monks at the temple, I don't understand any of it at all. I can read it with no understanding since they use Thai script (a subset of it), for convenience of the Thais.

Its really quite different to Thai and has a very limited vowel sound set compared to Thai. Basically it has A, U, and I sounds, both short and long, but E and O probably only short. Thai has over 20 vowel sounds.

I do understand a fair bit of the Laos language as its close to Thai and bits of some other dialects in the near regions.

I don't believe Pali and Thai are considerd to be in the same language families. Sanskrit and Pali are from the Indo-Aryan family according to Wikipedia (just checked) , but Thai is not.

Forms of Buddhism have spread to many countries, like the spread of Islam and Christianity. Is my home country (Christian dominant) influenced by Palestine / Israel? I don't like to think so.

Yes Thai culture is influenced by Buddhism, but they also believe in pagan spirits. The 5 main Buddhist precepts are broken happily by Thais on a daily basis. Mai Pen Rai

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1282531]What's the deal with Sukhumvit being taken over by Indians, by the way? I mean half the businesses are indians tailors, indian restaurants, etc. I remember reading here that this wasn't the case 10 years ago. Anyone knows the reason of this change?[/QUOTE]Indians were originally brought in by one of the former Kings to collect taxes, he knew thais would just pinch the bloody lot and he would see none of it, the British staffed most of the public services of their former colonies with Indians also. The indians stayed, and they own a lot of land around the Sukhumvit (lower) area, all of the hotels from the railway near the JW Marriott down to the Westin at Soi 19 are owned by indians, even the Amaris. They have done very well for themselves and good luck to them. But the thai people hate their guts, in fact thai people hate just about everybody else, they are super xenophobic.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1282572]Yes but according to other reports here, the take over by indians in terms of presence in the streets and businesses etc is recent. I can't confirm this as I wasn't hanging out in BKK 15 years ago, but that's what I read.[/QUOTE]I was here on and off since 20 years ago and I can't say that the change is that dramatic. Perhaps the Muslim and Sikh/Indian influence in the lower Sukhumvit odd numbered Sois has increased, but it was always there I think.

In general, Thais don't eat Indian food (at least the ones I know), but they will eat other types of food. When I was in Singapore I noticed that the Indians in IT only ate Indian food at the food courts. They didn't seem to want to try anything else. Possibly most were vegetarians.

[QUOTE=Iowaska; 1268642]Will also have to explore areas surrounding Bangkok for some fun, my friend went in the 90's and paid £80 and had 4 wgs for 8hrs fully at his disposal, what's the going rYe for services so I know I ain't Gona get ripped off?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Yes in the early 90s I remember getting a Soi Cowboy girl for all night for 400 Baht (10 Euros). Nowadays the bar-fine is higher than that. After a very long LT was very hard to get rid of her. She tended to show up to my Hotel uninvited. I also took 3 girls from Pussy Galore to Koh Chang for about 3 days for very low cost in early 90s. Two of three were included almost for free. One was a bit too butch for my taste but other two were hot. In those days Koh Chang was not developed, had no roads (only tracks) , and huge amounts of pot were being smoked since could be obtained very cheaply from Cambodia. 100 Baht for a big bag of seed heads and no police on the Island. I don't smoke at all so the gancha was a waste on me.

If your mate paid 80 pounds for 4 girls for 8 hours he may have been paying at least double the going rates, or more, in early 90s. :D Times have certainly changed. In old days it was very hard to justify sleeping alone when a naked sexy fuck buddy was so incredibly cheap. I also recall a newbie bar-girl from some where in the 90s that enjoyed the sex so much, that she kept waking me up during the night for another round. Don't seem to meet so many insatiable girls these days.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1282640]Thai language script (and Laos script) is influenced by Khmer script and maybe Sanskrit although Sanskrit appears to have no script of its own. While some Thai words are borrowed from Sanskrit and Pali languages, its a stretch to say that Thai comes from them. Modern Thai has probably more English related words than Pali words, excepting possibly in religious type of speach. I speak Thai, but when I hear Pali spoken by monks at the temple, I don't understand any of it at all. I can read it with no understanding since they use Thai script (a subset of it) , for convenience of the Thais.

Its really quite different to Thai and has a very limited vowel sound set compared to Thai. Basically it has A, U, and I sounds, both short and long, but E and O probably only short. Thai has over 20 vowel sounds.

I do understand a fair bit of the Laos language as its close to Thai and bits of some other dialects in the near regions.

I don't believe Pali and Thai are considerd to be in the same language families. Sanskrit and Pali are from the Indo-Aryan family according to Wikipedia (just checked) , but Thai is not.

Forms of Buddhism have spread to many countries, like the spread of Islam and Christianity. Is my home country (Christian dominant) influenced by Palestine / Israel? I don't like to think so.

Yes Thai culture is influenced by Buddhism, but they also believe in pagan spirits. The 5 main Buddhist precepts are broken happily by Thais on a daily basis. Mai Pen Rai[/QUOTE]1. Sanskrit is the mother of almost all languages including Latin.

2. Sanskrit was written in the Devnagari script. Most North Indian languages (except Urdu) are written in that script. Pali is a derivative of Sanskrit. BTW India has 24 major languages and over 1000 dialects.

3. If you look at Thai script is is very much the same as the Tamil script of South India (from where most Indians in earlier centuries went to Siam).

4. Indians were not brought to collect taxes. The Indian traders loaned money to the Thais and took their land as collateral. That's how they came to own so much land and the resentment of Thais.

5. Yes a lot of tailor shops are owned by Indians but also by bangladeshis and nepalese. Guess we all look the same, huh.

6. A large chunk of Thai names are of Indian origin.

7. Although Buddhism is by far the majority religion, you can see pockets where Hinduism is also followed.

[QUOTE=Kenny Rogers; 1250813]Hi Folks,

I remember some genial guy had posted places of action marked on Google maps some years ago (2009). Searched for that but couldn't find it. Does anyone know if its still online?

Thanks, Kenny[/QUOTE]It looks like its no longer fully maintained but things don't change that much, except perhaps the prices and girls:

[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?msid=211157051689439137713.00044836624e9b986acc9&msa=0[/url]

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1282663]1. Sanskrit is the mother of almost all languages including Latin.[/QUOTE]You made some good points, but forgive me if I don't swallow that one, as a skeptical type.

[QUOTE]3. If you look at Thai script is is very much the same as the Tamil script of South India (from where most Indians in earlier centuries went to Siam).[/QUOTE]Yes Thai script is vaguely similar to Tamil but closer to Laos and Khmer scripts. Of course the languages were spoken long before they had any scripts at all. Scripts were an afterthought.

Quoting Wikipedia:

"The Thai alphabet is derived from the Old Khmer script (akkhara khamen) , which is a southern Brahmic style of writing called Vatteluttu. Vatteluttu was also commonly referred to as the Pallava script by scholars of Southeast Asian studies such as George Coedes.

According to tradition it was created in 1283 by King Ramkhamhaeng the Great "

I do know that many Thai words, especially Khmer influenced, are similar to some Indian language words. e.g. Wat Arun "The Temple of Dawn". Arun or a very similar word appears in some Indian languages, right? I recall meeting an Indian named Arun, I think. Arun is a not a commonly used Thai word, its more of a stylistic alternate one. Thai has borrowed words from several origins, including many English words. Khmer is one of the strongest due to Khmer dominance of the region in times long gone by. The Thai numbers sound very similar to some Cantonese numbers.

I have tried two techniques to have sex during daylight hours. These shoiuld work well.

1. Put on my sneakers for a long run. Run (or taxi) to a massage place.

2. Arrange a tour guide to a cool place far from your hotel. The next morning, have a pained look on your face, tell everyone you have diarrhea and intend to stay in bed. As long as your gf / wife decides not to play nurse, you are free. Be certain to leave your room phone off the hook so she can't check on you.

Getting a free night off is impossible. I would welcome suggestions.

By the way, this works in Brazil. I have never brought a girlfriend/wife to BKK.

Bringing your wife to Bangkok is like bringing a sandwhich to a banquet.

Syzygies, I hate you for that 90s post ;) It definitely puts things into perspective. Where does one go these days for such an experience, Laos? Birma?

All this Indian history is great, and for the most part they're decent people. HOWEVER, it still does not explain why they smell so bad. the OP really opened a can of worms LOL

I would guess that the manners of the people from India, which includes pushing, shoving and other behavior are part of their culture. I am not from there, but you ever been to New York City or around some of those from "the city". At home for them it is standard procedure. They think it is normal. However many cultures don't like it. This is just a guess.

As far as smell, it is my understanding that it is due to the curry they eat. You do smell of what you eat. Perhaps a good meal of garlic would be a way to get even with them. LOL.

Where I live the people from India are like the rest of us as far as smell. Nothing different from what everybody else smells like.

Just my 2 baht's worth.

[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1282642]But the thai people hate their guts, in fact thai people hate just about everybody else, they are super xenophobic.[/QUOTE]Blah, everyone's xenophobic. I find most Thais likable and friendly, I think they use the word "hate" loosely and more of an ignorant statement; whereas a redneck in the deep woods really hates minorities and jews, and the rich fellow in the burbs who pays a mint for NBA tickets would be appalled if those same NBA dudes were banging his daughter

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1282707]HOWEVER, it still does not explain why they smell so bad.[/QUOTE]We don't need to find the reason. All they need to do is invest in some deodorant. Even, many Indians who have spent a considerable amount of time in the US seems oblivious to their BO.

[QUOTE=Mackin; 1282719]I would guess that the manners of the people from India, which includes pushing, shoving and other behavior are part of their culture. I am not from there, but you ever been to New York City or around some of those from "the city". At home for them it is standard procedure. They think it is normal. However many cultures don't like it. This is just a guess.[/QUOTE]You are right, When Indians form a queue to get movie tickets or at any event, they tend to stand as close to the person in front, infact touching the other person. This happened to me in NY, I just politely asked the man to step back and to give me some space. Indians in general are a boisterous bunch. I guess when you have about 25 million people living in an area similar to NY, ones got to be boisterous.

[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1282642]Indians were originally brought in by one of the former Kings to collect taxes[/QUOTE]It was the Chinese who did tax-farming back in the day. Got them mixed up.

[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1282642]But the thai people hate their guts, in fact thai people hate just about everybody else, they are super xenophobic.[/QUOTE]I don't know of a nation less xenophobic than Thais.

Perhaps the exact opposite of xenophobic. In Isan they prefer Farang to their own kind for marriage and such (in other parts a not as much, but still not close to hate). Money is a factor, but if they were really xenophobic, it wouldn't help us. If they really hated everybody else, we couldn't pay to shag 95% of working girls. If you want to know what xenophobic really looks like, go to Korea or Japan. In RLDs of Seoul (all except Itaewon) , hookers woo Korean guys, and turn away their glance in disgust whenever a white beast walks by.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1282784]It was the Chinese who did tax-farming back in the day. Got them mixed up.

I don't know of a nation less xenophobic than Thais.

Perhaps the exact opposite of xenophobic. In Isan they prefer Farang to their own kind for marriage and such (in other parts a not as much, but still not close to hate). Money is a factor, but if they were really xenophobic, it wouldn't help us. If they really hated everybody else, we couldn't pay to shag 95% of working girls. If you want to know what xenophobic really looks like, go to Korea or Japan. In RLDs of Seoul (all except Itaewon) , hookers woo Korean guys, and turn away their glance in disgust whenever a white beast walks by.[/QUOTE]Really? How long have you lived here? Do you do business here? If a Thai woman can find a Thai man that treats her well and has money, she would normally rather be with them. Spent much time in Bangkok? Thais with money want to have very little to do with Farang. This people here are very xenophobic. Perhaps not as much as the Japanese or Koreans, but not trailing by much.

If they were not xenophobic it would be far easier to do business and far easier to get citizenship. In Isaan they love the farang because he has money, no doubt about it. When driving through an Isaan village you see hovel, hovel, hovel, farang house, hovel. Believe me, if there were no money there would be no love. I was in Udon a few weeks back and was amazed at the number of "ex-working girls" at Mr Tong's that drive up in their new cars and trucks and pick up younger guys while hubby or boyfriend (who bought the house and car) are off earning money.

How many "girlfriends" have Thai guys on the side? A lot.

Thanks to NicFrenchy, Etaoin2003 & Ivanba for your response and suggestions!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1282070]I think the best thing you can do is go to Mango's website:

[url]http://www.mangomassagebkk.com/ladies/[/url]

Or go to Snow white Website:

[url]http://snowwhitesoi26.com/ladies.html[/url]

And call them, ask for a girl to join you in the room.

Easy peasy.

Or hop in the Rachadamri BTS (Silom Line) and go to Sala Daeng (Patpong) and there is a lot there to do. Oily, Soapy, BJ Bars, bars. Take your pick[/QUOTE]

From [url]http://www.thephuketnews.com/thailand-no-1-for-indian-travellers-30725.php[/url]

"For the calendar year 2011, the Tourism Authority of Thailand has revealed that a record number of 917, 832 Indians travelled to Thailand in comparison to 791, 185 in 2010, making it the number one destination for Indians with a growth rate in excess of 16 per cent in 2011. In 2012, this growth is continuing with 210, 722 Indians visiting Thailand from January to March, representing an increase of 1. 64 per cent over the same period in 2011."

The "smell" thing comes up frequently. You smell like what you eat. If you eat meat, vegetarians can smell your stench. You can't, because you're used to it.

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;1283140]The "smell" thing comes up frequently. You smell like what you eat. If you eat meat, vegetarians can smell your stench. You can't, because you're used to it.[/QUOTE]If this were true, not many koreans would have friends if they all smelled like Kim Chee

I thought Insomnia was more a place to pick up free girls but boy was I wrong, seems most girls were on the clock, so to speak. I guess this explains why no Thai guys go here LOL.

Also had the unpleasant experience of a creepy farang, who looked like Sting, staring at me while ordering a drink at the bar. Seems quite a few creeps in these places!

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1283261]Also had the unpleasant experience of a creepy farang, who looked like Sting, staring at me while ordering a drink at the bar. Seems quite a few creeps in these places![/QUOTE]You must be hansuman :)

Hi to all Senior / Junior members,

I will be in Bangkok on 5th June 2012. If any of you would like to meet up for some drinks and fod, PM me please and I will reply.

[QUOTE=CerealKiller; 1283297]Hi to all Senior / Junior members,

I will be in Bangkok on 5th June 2012. If any of you would like to meet up for some drinks and fod, PM me please and I will reply.[/QUOTE]I think there is a Travel Announcement Thread for this no?

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1282694]Syzygies, I hate you for that 90s post ;) It definitely puts things into perspective. Where does one go these days for such an experience, Laos? Birma?[/QUOTE]Nope. Paraguay.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1282694]Syzygies, I hate you for that 90s post ;) It definitely puts things into perspective. Where does one go these days for such an experience, Laos? Birma?[/QUOTE]I don't really know, but I heard that Phnom Phen (I can't even spell it) is significantly cheaper than Thailand. The story was that the English speaking girls in town were not cheap enough for a very tight retiree. He would go outside town and find non-English speaking girls to fuck for about $5 or so. Not my own experience so I can't confirm if its really true, but basically its still way cheaper than Pattaya. The English speaking girls are able to charge more.

In the 90s here in Thailand I was just starting to learn Thai but I preferred to spend time with girls who had very little or no English, and they would teach me Thai that I hadn't obtained from the class room. One of those girls is still in contact with me. She is about 45 now and was about 25 back then. She married a Yank long ago but split years later and returned to Thailand. She wants me to settle down with her, but of course she is not as exciting as 20 years ago. Has bad smoker's breath too, although says she is willing to quit or change to a mild brand. She was the one who started the training of me up to become expert in DATY, claiming that I was pretty ordinary at it back then, even though I tried hard and thought I was doing well. I never did DATY on my Farang ex-wife because her pussy didn't taste nice, so I didn't have that much practice. Anyway apparently a small percentage of guys do it very well, and detailed training doesn't go amiss. Its a pity most girls are too shy to become detailed instructresses.

As Nic says, the are few Thai girls who don't like a really expert DATY session, unless they just don't want to orgasm or have a good time in any way, just like we appreciate a really expert blow-job. There are always a few exceptions, particularly girls whose clit is ultra sensitive and orgasm so easily that DATY is just too much for them to cope with.

Sorry I have diverged from the point, but I owe my DATY training to that girl 20 years ago, and a significant part of my early colloquial Thai language practice and training. She confirms I am much better on the bed than 20 years ago, and now able to satisfy her well, which just shows that young guys don't necessarily make the best lovers. They need to have technique and experience (with different girls with different needs) to go with their hot body and stamina.

[QUOTE=Forest; 1282682]I have tried two techniques to have sex during daylight hours. These should work well.

1. Put on my sneakers for a long run. Run (or taxi) to a massage place.

2. Arrange a tour guide to a cool place far from your hotel. The next morning, have a pained look on your face, tell everyone you have diarrhea and intend to stay in bed. As long as your gf / wife decides not to play nurse, you are free. Be certain to leave your room phone off the hook so she can't check on you.

Bringing your wife to Bangkok is like bringing a sandwhich to a banquet.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately my GF lives here. Just a few points, based on my experience.

Its wise to have a fairly trusting wife who is not worried about checking where you are too much. Always prepare a very convincing story in advance so you don't stumble when telling it, and make sure that its impossible to check. The background noise or lack of it during any phone conversion needs to be consistent with your story. In the massage shop, make sure the girl turns off the shower / water before you answer the phone. My story about answering the phone while in a toilet won't wash if it happens too often. Don't involve other people in the fake story or your wife might ask you to pass the phone to them to say hello.

Time is too short and Bangkok is full of traffic jams. You need to catch a motorcycle to the playing up venue that is not too far away. That way you could rush back in a few minutes in an emergency situation. Try to pick a Hotel in Sukhumvit that is close to massage places but not right in middle of a mongering zone.

If you have a very limited time, like 30 mins available, a BJ place might be the only viable option for a very short session. However 1 hour sessions at Mango, Tulip, Snow White are certainly possible, and you can leave before time if necessary.

Be aware that after showering in a massage place, that you may smell a bit too nice. Perhaps go for a short fast run to get suitably sweaty to disguise that. Also take a shower just before you leave home, so that you start off smelling nice when you leave, to reduce the difference when you get home. Anyway shower and get clean in Thailand more than you normally do, at least twie a day, but perhaps more times when its very hot.

I often arrive home with some stuff like large paper coffee cup to help explain that I could have wasted time reading the newspaper in the Coffee shop.

Despite all these things my GF is not stupid and knows that if I am not getting enough at home, I am certainly likely to have some naughty recreation. Use condoms and reliable massge places so you don't get the clap. Wash hands and other parts properly afterwards. No one would go home to wife smelling of pussy, surely, no matter how clean the girl seemed?

[QUOTE=Forest;1282682]Bringing your wife to Bangkok is like bringing a sandwhich to a banquet.[/QUOTE]I would say it is like bringing fork and knife at a finger food dinner. No need!

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;1283140]The "smell" thing comes up frequently. You smell like what you eat. If you eat meat, vegetarians can smell your stench. You can't, because you're used to it.[/QUOTE]This is only partially true. Most bad BO is caused by bacteria, growing in glands for those whose gland outlets are large allowing bacteria easy entry, or for those who just don't wash often enough.

Thai people often eat large amounts of garlic but their bodies don't smell like garlic even if their breath sometimes does a little bit. This is confusing to me since some westerners smell very heavily of garlic, the day after eating, say Indian food, as an example. I think its because Thais just don't have the same glands that let the smells out.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1282784]I don't know of a nation less xenophobic than Thais.

Perhaps the exact opposite of xenophobic.[/QUOTE]That's just got to be total rubbish. Any one with lots of experience here, would never make such a claim.

Racial predudice abounds, but somewhat less with working girls who get used to many nationalities.

Its not surprising that certain generalisations get made though, e. G. Certain countries don't understand tipping or just don't tip,

Certain nationalities tend to be more stingy and are a waste of bar space, as will sit on one drink all night, and so get turned away,

Etc.

Japanese are highly desired customers in most places, as they will spend significant money. A jewelery shop will usher out all the other customers if a group of Japanese arrive.

[QUOTE=Mackin;1282719]I would guess that the manners of the people from India, which includes pushing, shoving and other behavior are part of their culture. I am not from there, but you ever been to New York City or around some of those from "the city". At home for them it is standard procedure. They think it is normal. However many cultures don't like it. This is just a guess.[/QUOTE]Pushing and shoving is not uncommon right throughout Asia and including Thailand. Did you ever queue to buy a bus ticket up country at Chinese new-year? Probably not. If so, you would know, there is no queueing. Its every man for himself. Fortunately guys like you and I are tall, and can still get air to breath when in a pushing throng. I pity the very short ones. Hong Kong is the worst place I have ever experienced for pushing and shoving and same aplies to Hong Kong tourists here in Thailand. They push and shove to get off a boat, rather than just waiting sensibly for their turn, for example, as everything is absolutely urgent in their culture. I haven't been to all Asian countries but wouldn't be surprised if many do not have orderly queueing allowing some space.

When standing in a fairly orderly queue of foreigners waiting to exchange money in Bangkok, I have been forced to leave the queue because I just couldn't cope with the BO of the group of Arabs / middle-eastern guys right behind me in the queue. Unfortunately I'm just not used to it. I don't believe its caused by what they eat.

I get BO myself after heat and activity, but the big difference is that I can smell it, and am aware of it, and therefore I am quick to do something about it. Regular rigourous washing under arms and a good deodorant works for a fair time for me. Maybe this is not enough for all. Some may need to seek medical advice to deal with bacteria breeding in the glands.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1283372]Etc.

Japanese are highly desired customers in most places, as they will spend significant money. A jewelery shop will usher out all the other customers if a group of Japanese arrive.[/QUOTE]Not only do they spend money, but they tend to be more passive and when things don't go their way, they might not put up a big stink as others would. Just like the scene in Revenge of the Nerds where Booger tells the Asian nerd that a two pair beats his "frush" and rather than question if a two pair beats a frush, he just says,"oh. Saank you". LOL.

[QUOTE=GentleBoner;1282313]That's just the black girl (and guy) smell. It's sort of musky like a horse or a barnyard. Some of them have it worse than others, but it can get bad when they're hot. Has something to do with their sweat glands.[/QUOTE]Black girl and guy smell? Seriously? I've had European, Indian, Thai, Japanese, Chinese, Filipina, American, Iranian and African girls. None of them smell any worse than the others based on their ethnic background. I've had just as many Asian or white girls with a bad smell as I've had African girls with a bad smell. All people have the propensity to emit a foul odor the difference is whether or not it's in their culture to use products to cover that odor. I can state from experience that a large percentage of people from Africa and India don't use these products as extensively as westerners do. This is why we sometimes perceive a strong odor from these groups, not some genetic predisposition from them to stink more than others.

Two nights ago I was sitting, having a beer, at a table on the outside terrace at Livingstone's Lodge. The table was immediately outside the Sportsman's bar. At about 9 o'clock a "team" of seven 30ish Indian guys walked up to the door of the bar. Their postures and their verbal behavior was quite aggressive. One of the ladies working at the bar came outside, waied the newcomers and welcomed them, whereupon they started to verbally assault her. First, they demanded to know why there weren't more women, since: "We are seven and there aren't enough for all of us." Then, their spokesman, loudly demanded to know the price of a beer and immediately retored: "That's too much. We are seven. You should give us a discount." Once told that no discount would be coming in the foreseeable future, the spokesperson demanded to know the price of a lady's drink, and again demanded a discount, which was of course refused. The argument continued for maybe 5-10 minutes, with the Indian voices-both English (of a sort) and Hindi-raised to levels generally considered boorish in Thai culture. Eventually, the guys stormed off, I supposed to attempt to intimidate someone else at another bar.

What these morons thought they would gain from their loutish, unacceptable behavior is a mystery to me. By the time they left, they had thoroughly alienated every customer and all of the hotel staff working in the vicinity of the argument. I've read a lot on this board about Indians being turned away from some clubs and bars in Thailand, and if the incident I witnessed is somehow characteristic of a larger population, I can understand the Thais' revulsion at such behavior. In my decades of living as an expatriate, this would make my top 5 on my list of vignettes of thoroughly unacceptable conduct. Of course the Thai staff, being Thai, handled the entire thing with grace and humor, without ever raising their voices.

GE

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1283261]I thought Insomnia was more a place to pick up free girls but boy was I wrong, seems most girls were on the clock, so to speak. I guess this explains why no Thai guys go here LOL.

Also had the unpleasant experience of a creepy farang, who looked like Sting, staring at me while ordering a drink at the bar. Seems quite a few creeps in these places![/QUOTE]Maybe FREElancers?

Has anyone noticed that the Help & Info thread is gone and the Bangkok Reports thread has returned?

Wonder what the story is behind it.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1283530]Has anyone noticed that the Help & Info thread is gone and the Bangkok Reports thread has returned?

Wonder what the story is behind it.[/QUOTE]Well. Jackson fixed it.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1280528]THAI Pickup website. Works wonders[/QUOTE]Could you please share the link for this website.

Well well,

LEt's lighten up a little.

THAI GIRLS: UNITE.

Gone are the days when your Sorry ass "Farang of the night" (or of a couple hours) comes up with that shitty excuse: "oh, I have only 1500 on me." instead of the agreed 2k earlier?

Now, seeing as the majority of you TGs in the GoGo bars have iphones, wouldn't it be interesting to use this? That way, your dumbass farang can even get miles on his cc.

[url]http://www.swiffpay.com/[/url]

If, Like me you are a Die Hard BK Fan and think MickeyD is Shit in a Bun, well, Burger King now delivers its delicious Whopper right to your door.

For the Newbies: 1112 is the number for Pizza Company so don't panic if they answer "Pizza Company" when you call

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1283709]Well well,

LEt's lighten up a little.

THAI GIRLS: UNITE.

Gone are the days when your Sorry ass "Farang of the night" (or of a couple hours) comes up with that shitty excuse: "oh, I have only 1500 on me." instead of the agreed 2k earlier?

Now, seeing as the majority of you TGs in the GoGo bars have iphones, wouldn't it be interesting to use this? That way, your dumbass farang can even get miles on his cc.

[url]http://www.swiffpay.com/[/url][/QUOTE]Nothing new. Lots of girls, the shaved ones, already have the swiff device and unit built in. Swipe your credit card "there" and you can then access it.

The technology guru are still trying to work out the abouts for micro-chip cards and how to digit the PIN code, if and when required.

The last haircut here in BKK was a near disaster, the lady had no idea what she was doing, kept asking me is this ok as she was cutting it, and eventually the owner came in for guidance. I asked her how long she been cutting hair, expecting an answer of no more than a few months or years......"30 years"! WTF? Unbelievable she been cutting hair all these years and is clueless..lol

Can anyone recommend a place to get a good haircut? It's important because I got some internet dates lined up for free girls this week, and I don't want to look like a clown.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1283804]The last haircut here in BKK was a near disaster, the lady had no idea what she was doing, kept asking me is this ok as she was cutting it, and eventually the owner came in for guidance. I asked her how long she been cutting hair, expecting an answer of no more than a few months or years."30 years"! WTF? Unbelievable she been cutting hair all these years and is clueless. LOL.

Can anyone recommend a place to get a good haircut? It's important because I got some internet dates lined up for free girls this week, and I don't want to look like a clown.[/QUOTE]Try August, Sukhumvit between Soi 5 and 7. Has been mentioned here. The salon is all steel and mirrors, you can't miss it.

They do also manicure or pedicure.

I also used the Nana Hotel Massage parlor where (ladies) they do barber jobs.

Nothing to complain about.

Wondering what the hell happened to you and which place did you go (an alert for ISG fellows)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1283734]If, Like me you are a Die Hard BK Fan and think MickeyD is Shit in a Bun, well, Burger King now delivers its delicious Whopper right to your door.

For the Newbies: 1112 is the number for Pizza Company so don't panic if they answer "Pizza Company" when you call[/QUOTE]WTF? Never heard of MickeyD. For a really good burger, the stand on Soi 23 end of Cowboy, for a burger made to your specs.

This has obviously gone back to being the Misc. Off Topic thread.

The place was somewhere in Siam Square, I can't really remember where it was. I'm not really good with directions.. I was looking for any ol place to get a haircut. She was an elderly lady maybe in her late 50's early 60's, and the one thing I distinctly remember about her was that she was a mouth breather

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1283836]WTF? Never heard of MickeyD.

This has obviously gone back to being the Misc. Off Topic thread.[/QUOTE]I am assuming Nick was refering to McDonalds!

[QUOTE=Horny Landoora;1283847]I am assuming Nick was refering to McDonalds![/QUOTE]okay I believe the only edible thing at Mackas is a cup of coffee, but depending on who made it, and that was only because late at night in my home country, all other coffee shops were closed. At least Mackas had an espresso machine.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1283804]Can anyone recommend a place to get a good haircut? It's important because I got some internet dates lined up for free girls this week, and I don't want to look like a clown.[/QUOTE]Go to the 3rd floor of Ploenchit plaza. I think it is called Scissors.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1283804]The last haircut here in BKK was a near disaster, the lady had no idea what she was doing, kept asking me is this ok as she was cutting it, and eventually the owner came in for guidance. I asked her how long she been cutting hair, expecting an answer of no more than a few months or years."30 years"! WTF? Unbelievable she been cutting hair all these years and is clueless. LOL.

Can anyone recommend a place to get a good haircut? It's important because I got some internet dates lined up for free girls this week, and I don't want to look like a clown.[/QUOTE]Dude, don't go to Nana or any of these places if you want a Great Haircut. I suggest you go to Emporium or Paragon to a REAL Hair Salon. Sure, the price will give a heart Attack to many here, but if you want no surprises.

[QUOTE=Horny Landoora;1283847]I am assuming Nick was refering to McDonalds![/QUOTE]Yes I was, I thought MickeyD was a widely known nickname for McDonalds. I mean, Even us French know about it hahaha

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1283950]Dude, don't go to Nana or any of these places if you want a Great Haircut. I suggest you go to Emporium or Paragon to a REAL Hair Salon. Sure, the price will give a heart Attack to many here, but if you want no surprises.[/QUOTE]A decent haircut can be had in Pattaya on Soi Buakhow for 60 baht; no surprises.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1283951]Yes I was, I thought MickeyD was a widely known nickname for McDonalds. I mean, Even us French know about it hahaha[/QUOTE]Yeah, the hysterical French government wanted to prevent the spread of McDonalds restaurants in France because they think it "diminishes French culture." Hahahaha!

Hell, Burger King will diminish it just as much.

Anything American diminishes French culture. But I agree with the French. Disney World sucks!

Burger king is OK, but that Burger King dude in the commercials is dodgy!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1283950]Dude, don't go to Nana or any of these places if you want a Great Haircut. I suggest you go to Emporium or Paragon to a REAL Hair Salon. Sure, the price will give a heart Attack to many here, but if you want no surprises.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Yes, it will set you back 600-1k baht, but you will get a good cut.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1283985]A decent haircut can be had in Pattaya on Soi Buakhow for 60 baht; no surprises.[/QUOTE]This is new? A flaming war of words over a price of a haircut? 600/1, 000 baht for a haircut hell the Nic and Goat must have one hell of a head of hair? Looking good boys?

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1284148]This is new? A flaming war of words over a price of a haircut? 600/1, 000 baht for a haircut hell the Nic and Goat must have one hell of a head of hair? Looking good boys?

LBM[/QUOTE]Truth be told. You get a point of diminishing returns spending big money on haircuts if you have simple, short hair, and are male. There's no reason anyone moderately skilled could not give me a good haircut. I pay $15 for an excellent haircut in the US, and have paid more a long time ago at a place like Jean Jaurez for like $40 and it was no better than a Great Clips cut.

The only problem in Thailand is there seems to be a plethora of unskilled stylists who have no business having a pair of scissors in hand. I'd say anything up to 550-600 baht is acceptable. 1000 baht and you're just paying for fluff. Still. 550-600 is really pushing it in the 3rd world. Anyways, I gambled and hit up the Thong Lor BTS salon for 100 baht, it was actually OK, but they still need a little guidance, which I'm not used to giving since in the USA, they're skilled enough to use their own discretion.


truth be told, i think its easier getting sex for free than getting a good haircut in BKK!

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1284216]Truth be told. You get a point of diminishing returns spending big money on haircuts if you have simple, short hair, and are male. There's no reason anyone moderately skilled could not give me a good haircut. I pay $15 for an excellent haircut in the US, and have paid more a long time ago at a place like Jean Jaurez for like $40 and it was no better than a Great Clips cut.

The only problem in Thailand is there seems to be a plethora of unskilled stylists who have no business having a pair of scissors in hand. I'd say anything up to 550-600 baht is acceptable. 1000 baht and you're just paying for fluff. Still. 550-600 is really pushing it in the 3rd world. Anyways, I gambled and hit up the Thong Lor BTS salon for 100 baht, it was actually OK, but they still need a little guidance, which I'm not used to giving since in the USA, they're skilled enough to use their own discretion.

Truth be told, I think its easier getting sex for free than getting a good haircut in BKK![/QUOTE]Actually found a cool place today. 250 Baht (plus 50 baht tip). Called Never Say Cutz. Suk 51. Think it is owned by the guy from Thaitanium. I am very pleased with the result and a lot less than I usually pay.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1284216]Truth be told. You get a point of diminishing returns spending big money on haircuts if you have simple, short hair, and are male. There's no reason anyone moderately skilled could not give me a good haircut. I pay $15 for an excellent haircut in the US, and have paid more a long time ago at a place like Jean Jaurez for like $40 and it was no better than a Great Clips cut.

The only problem in Thailand is there seems to be a plethora of unskilled stylists who have no business having a pair of scissors in hand. I'd say anything up to 550-600 baht is acceptable. 1000 baht and you're just paying for fluff. Still. 550-600 is really pushing it in the 3rd world. Anyways, I gambled and hit up the Thong Lor BTS salon for 100 baht, it was actually OK, but they still need a little guidance, which I'm not used to giving since in the USA, they're skilled enough to use their own discretion.

Truth be told, I think its easier getting sex for free than getting a good haircut in BKK![/QUOTE]I have some experience in this area regarding training in salons but of course only in Pattaya. But at the same time if Pattaya is any indication it is most likely the same in Bangkok.

I have found that many shops open that the workers are self trained and aren't licensed. And if they aren't self trained they haven't or can't afford the cost of a good school therefore their training is only limited. A good school cost will run you 45, 000 baht just to enroll and doesn't include all the material one needs to complete the course. A good women school takes at least 2 years which trains you for all salons needs and a train one to do hairstyles for weddings. Within that training they are also required to cut hundreds of women / mens hair at local festivals for free.

In Pattaya, there aren't any restriction that I can see that does not allow a shop from opening that is why there are so many shops opening and closing on the same Soi. Many seem to get a sponsor and decide to open without much training. Just like a Thai massage shop you rarely see a license on the wall. I'm lucky at my age I have a crew cut look clean and simple and the ladies here still call me handsome man? It requires just a slap on #1 in ten minutes I'm done but in most salons I worry that she doesn't know how to handle a razor? This is the reason I go to a men Barber, whether they have gone to a good school I'm not sure. Many places I have gone to I know the guy doesn't have a license but through experience is now very skilled. For 70 baht, I like the old fashion Barbers, a haircut, shave and a short neck and shower massages. Most women salons I know don't do enough men cut therefore the lack of experience in style cutting for men/women and of course if they haven't gone to a school wouldn't know how to cut with the newest techniques.To end, going to places as NicFrenchy suggested might charge you more but the workers are most likely licensed. These stylist get a montly wage in general of 15, 000 baht, I know two women from Bangkok who now work at Central Festival in Pattaya.

LBM

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1284216]Truth be told. You get a point of diminishing returns spending big money on haircuts if you have simple, short hair, and are male. There's no reason anyone moderately skilled could not give me a good haircut. I pay $15 for an excellent haircut in the US, and have paid more a long time ago at a place like Jean Jaurez for like $40 and it was no better than a Great Clips cut.

The only problem in Thailand is there seems to be a plethora of unskilled stylists who have no business having a pair of scissors in hand. I'd say anything up to 550-600 baht is acceptable. 1000 baht and you're just paying for fluff. Still. 550-600 is really pushing it in the 3rd world. Anyways, I gambled and hit up the Thong Lor BTS salon for 100 baht, it was actually OK, but they still need a little guidance, which I'm not used to giving since in the USA, they're skilled enough to use their own discretion.

Truth be told, I think its easier getting sex for free than getting a good haircut in BKK![/QUOTE]Tony, one reason I think is the difference between Farang and Thai hair. We tend to have much finer hair than Thais and that requires a ver different approach to styling. Stylists here get little practice with fine hair.

I pay 300 thb (+100 tip) and have been going to the same shop for years, the girl knows me and I don't even have to ask anything.

I enter the shop, shampoo, she cuts, shampoo again and I'm out.

I go every 2 weeks though.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1281441]

[QUOTE=Wendella;1281389]Ah ok, now I see. You should have mentioned that you would post it later, I made the wrong assumption that the system was contained in that same post. Look forward to hearing it.[/QUOTE]In that post I was quoting the system of Bowerboy, not mine.

I will post my way later int he week.[/QUOTE]Gentle reminder. I want to see this system, man!

I studied thai script, they look a little different from other scrips based on sanskrit but they are pronounced the same e. G. SA RE A, SA RE E, etc. And the scripts share the same constructs. The Thai vocabulary has a large of number of its words borrowed from Sanskrit, therefore, many thai words sound familiar to a South Indian speaker of Hindi, Bengali, etc. For example:

SAAMI Which is HUSBAND SWAMI (HINDI)

PANRYA WIFE PREEYA (HINDI) (BTW, the literal pronunciation of the written form PANRAYA is actually PREEYA)

MAHAWITHYALAY SCHOOL / COLLEGE MAHABITHYALAY (HINDI)

As for Sanskrit's European connection, just google "Lithuania and Sanskrit"

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1282672]You made some good points, but forgive me if I don't swallow that one, as a skeptical type.

Yes Thai script is vaguely similar to Tamil but closer to Laos and Khmer scripts. Of course the languages were spoken long before they had any scripts at all. Scripts were an afterthought.

Quoting Wikipedia:

"The Thai alphabet is derived from the Old Khmer script (akkhara khamen) , which is a southern Brahmic style of writing called Vatteluttu. Vatteluttu was also commonly referred to as the Pallava script by scholars of Southeast Asian studies such as George Coedes.

According to tradition it was created in 1283 by King Ramkhamhaeng the Great "

I do know that many Thai words, especially Khmer influenced, are similar to some Indian language words. E. G. What Arun "The Temple of Dawn". Arun or a very similar word appears in some Indian languages, right? I recall meeting an Indian named Arun, I think. Arun is a not a commonly used Thai word, its more of a stylistic alternate one. Thai has borrowed words from several origins, including many English words. Khmer is one of the strongest due to Khmer dominance of the region in times long gone by. The Thai numbers sound very similar to some Cantonese numbers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1283359]Be aware that after showering in a massage place, that you may smell a bit too nice. Perhaps go for a short fast run to get suitably sweaty to disguise that. Also take a shower just before you leave home, so that you start off smelling nice when you leave, to reduce the difference when you get home. Anyway shower and get clean in Thailand more than you normally do, at least twie a day, but perhaps more times when its very hot.

I often arrive home with some stuff like large paper coffee cup to help explain that I could have wasted time reading the newspaper in the Coffee shop.

Despite all these things my GF is not stupid and knows that if I am not getting enough at home, I am certainly likely to have some naughty recreation. Use condoms and reliable massge places so you don't get the clap. Wash hands and other parts properly afterwards. No one would go home to wife smelling of pussy, surely, no matter how clean the girl seemed?[/QUOTE]I second all the above. Also:

• If you go to oilies, make sure you use very hot water in the after shower to get it all off. New girls in particular tend to use too much oil and it can linger on the skin. Nothing worse than trying to explain how you got lubed up all over.

• The soaps (at soapies or oilies) have cheap and distinctive fragrances. Take a wrapped bar from your hotel and ask the girl to use that instead.

• Being very loving and considerate, arrange a tour for both of you to something really chick friendly and boring, like a dancing school or yoga class. Then, when the time comes, tell her you're a bit sick, but, being selfless and concerned for her happiness, tell her bravely that you'll be OK, go by yourself.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1284447]Gentle reminder. I want to see this system, man![/QUOTE]Yeah, it's not on top of my priority list but eventually I'll get to writing it.

Was with a Badoo girl last weekend and even though she messages me every day, she's not "repeat material"

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1284403]Tony, one reason I think is the difference between Farang and Thai hair. We tend to have much finer hair than Thais and that requires a ver different approach to styling. Stylists here get little practice with fine hair.[/QUOTE]Finer Hair and bigger cocks.

Regular girls here also get little practice with bigger cocks.

LOL.

(Sorry couldn't help myself)

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1282640]I don't believe Pali and Thai are considerd to be in the same language families. Sanskrit and Pali are from the Indo-Aryan family according to Wikipedia (just checked) , but Thai is not.

Forms of Buddhism have spread to many countries, like the spread of Islam and Christianity. Is my home country (Christian dominant) influenced by Palestine / Israel? I don't like to think so.

Yes Thai culture is influenced by Buddhism, but they also believe in pagan spirits. The 5 main Buddhist precepts are broken happily by Thais on a daily basis. Mai Pen Rai[/QUOTE]If everything was left to your belief, you would have loved to believe that ancient Indian culture, language, or religion had absolutely no influence on the SE Asian region of Thai, Khmer, Myanmarese, Laotian, Indonesian.

Thankfully no one can believe in your beliefs because FACTS WILL REMAIN FACTS.

Just to add fire to your Anti Indian Tirade.

Indian Origin Pali and sanskrit is still taught in schools here,

Indian Origin Buddhism and Hinduism is still actively practised by Thais everyday.

Ramakian (Epic from India called Ramayana) is a revered Epic in Thailand, with many kings having names of Rama.

Go figure and STFU with your half baked beliefs.

Put knowledge and facts before your so called "beliefs".

I got the question the other day from a bloke who asked if I could let him know where Pink Massage was. He was affraid to not see it and go too far down the soi.

Now I am not expert but don't people use google maps properly?

In less than a minute, I got right at PINK Massage's doorstep using google maps.

1. Make sure you type the approximate address or area properly: Bangkok sukhumvit soi 24 (see Image 01)

2. You see that Yellow dude in the top left? Drag his ass to the spot where you want to look (See image 02)

3. Browse the streets as if you were walking there! And find what you are looking for (See image 03)

Easy no?

[QUOTE=Harold444;1284251]Please tell us more! What lines (lies) do you use to get free chicks?[/QUOTE]I tell them I'm an English teacher. Weeds out the ones who are strictly after money!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1284470]Finer Hair and bigger cocks.

Regular girls here also get little practice with bigger cocks.

LOL.

(Sorry couldn't help myself) [/QUOTE]555555 + Great one!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1284486]I got the question the other day from a bloke who asked if I could let him know where Pink Massage was. He was affraid to not see it and go too far down the soi.

Now I am not expert but don't people use google maps properly?

In less than a minute, I got right at PINK Massage's doorstep using google maps.

1. Make sure you type the approximate address or area properly: Bangkok sukhumvit soi 24 (see Image 01)

2. You see that Yellow dude in the top left? Drag his ass to the spot where you want to look (See image 02)

3. Browse the streets as if you were walking there! And find what you are looking for (See image 03)

Easy no?[/QUOTE]Well as you know, you can't drag his arse down little Sois, but you can see to the end of Soi. I tried some time ago and guess from your pics, its still the same. Obviously many ISGers are not compentent to use the internet though. That's why we get a lot of silly questions.

You could paste a link to the Google Maps view, then would be clearer than your snapshots.

[url=http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=Sukhumvit+Soi+24+Pink+Massage+Bangkok&hl=en&ll=13.729609,100.569384&spn=0.000042,0.014226&sll=-25.335448,135.745076&sspn=31.154942,58.271484&hq=Sukhumvit+Soi+24+Pink+Massage&hnear=Bangkok,+Thailand&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=13.729706,100.569425&panoid=YhzJmCq0_r5DPzPbvv3aqg&cbp=12,130.29,,2,1.74]Dragged his arse to get this view[/url]

Sorry I don't write American. An Ass is like a donkey.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1277411]Mango isn't really a soapy and when I stopped in the other day, nothing to write home about in the looks department so I left. Check out dream heaven on 33 and opt for nuru massage. They usually have a hot one or two available.[/QUOTE]I decided to follow Tony's advice and stopped by Dream Heaven in Soi 33 about 5 days ago, wanting to try the Nuru gel massage.

I rather pretty girl with a very nice slender body greeted me, and we agreed on the 90 minute Nuru treatment.

In the room, she said she was 22 years old, and I think she said her name was 'Nam'. I could not find her picture on their web site. She had the most gorgeous breasts I have seen in a long time. Natural, firm, perky, absolutely perfect young girl's breasts. The rest of her body was delightful too, no stretch marks, no scars, no sagging anywhere. My hopes were high.

But, there were to be several disappointments. While she did clean me thoroughly there was no play in the shower. She was very timid, maybe inexperienced, or maybe the chemistry between us just didn't work. Even worse, I don't think the Nuru gel they use is real Nuru. It dries up and becomes semi-sticky rather quickly, so the whole Nuru experience was not what I expected. There was a few minutes of body-to-body sliding which was enjoyable, but when we then went for the intercourse, there was no gel left. Just a slightly sticky film on our bodies.

So for those wanting a real Nuru experience I would not recommend Dream Heaven.

[QUOTE=Harry Dude; 1284847]I decided to follow Tony's advice and stopped by Dream Heaven in Soi 33 about 5 days ago, wanting to try the Nuru gel massage.

So for those wanting a real Nuru experience I would not recommend Dream Heaven.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. If someone is looking for a nuru massage then Dream Heaven seems to be the worst option. One time I opted the nuru at DH Soi 33 and it was one of the biggest mistakes I ever done in BKK. After the session I complained to mamasan and her only one answer was: 'come tomorrow, I will train the girls'. I just think, DH is a place for sex, not for nuru. Colonze seems to be only one place (correct me if I'm wrong) where we can have a real nuru massage.

Cheers.

T. 72

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1284878]don't comdem the place. Its all about the girl.

Although your description LEFt out what her face looked like. Many times I walk that area looking for a decent looking light skin girl 4 an afternoon massage-still haven't found one. Hahahahaha![/QUOTE]Well, in this case it wasn't just about the girl. What they advertise as Nuru gel is not really Nuru gel, hence it follows that the Nuru massage isn't really Nuru massage. So my conclusion is still that DHM33 is not a good option for Nuru massage, even if the girl had been skilled in the art.

Her face was not unattractive. She had a small piercing with a small diamond-ish stud in her right nostril. Light skin. I don't remember much more about her face. I was literally focusing on her breasts. She might very well fit your requirements for "a decent looking light skinned girl".

[QUOTE=Tabasco72]I just think, DH is a place for sex, not for nuru.[/QUOTE]I was looking for both. Lots of hot, fun, slippery, body-to-body "massage" first, immediately followed by equally juicy, wet, slippery sex.

Got some questions for anyone who's frequented Pink massage on sukhumvit. Was looking into trying it out (not interested in PSE places).

Not in the mood right now for FS, maybe just a massage + a HJ or two.

Does any pink massage regulars know what the services are and how much? I don't want to pay for a FS session if I can just pay for a cheapie HJ or two. Any a la carte service I suppose? Do they also do 2 girl HJ?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1282833]If a Thai woman can find a Thai man that treats her well and has money, she would normally rather be with them. Spent much time in Bangkok? Thais with money want to have very little to do with Farang. This people here are very xenophobic. Perhaps not as much as the Japanese or Koreans, but not trailing by much.[/QUOTE]Xenophobia is active dislike towards foreigners. Just having racial prejudices is not the same thing. Being a Farang in itself is not a disadvantage in Thailand (unless you're doing business, in which case being non-Chinese and not having connections is a handicap). It is quite often an advantage.

For lower-class Thai girls, we're sort of saviors, both in terms of money, and in liking the type of looks that desirable Thai guys don't care much for. As for Thais with money, they are far less enthusiastic about Farang, but closer to indifference than to active dislike.

A Thai princess used to be married to an American. At least one of the women from the CP Group family (richest in Thailand) is married to an American (of an appropriate social status). Xenophobic? Hardly.

To be blunt, many, if not most of us expats here are NOT cream-of-the-crop in any society. And tend to go for ugliest women within the underclass of the Thai society (who are still better than what they could get in the West). Farang also have an objective language / communication style disadvantage. However, with Thai women, being a Farang is not a disadvantage at all if you speak Thai and develop some cultural sensitivities. Very few Thai women of comparable social status would reject you as a suitor just based on being white. NOT the case in most other countries.

[QUOTE=Harry Dude;1284847]But, there were to be several disappointments. While she did clean me thoroughly there was no play in the shower. She was very timid, maybe inexperienced, or maybe the chemistry between us just didn't work. Even worse, I don't think the Nuru gel they use is real Nuru.[/QUOTE]Ahahahahahaha Sorry I missed that original post, I could have to ld you right oft To Avoid Dream Heaven 33 altogether, not only for Nuru. There are so many better places in BKK.

If you want Real Nuru Gel Massage in BKK, check this out (use Google Translate caus its in Thai)

[url]http://www.thainuruclub.com/nuruplace.php[/url]

Colonze2 and Emmanuelle (soapys) also have a Real Nuru Gel offer

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1284878]don't comdem the place. Its all about the girl.

Although your description LEFt out what her face looked like. Many times I walk that area looking for a decent looking light skin girl 4 an afternoon massage-still haven't found one. Hahahahaha![/QUOTE]Come on man, you know ya got to leave sukhumvit for the light skinned babes. Might as well be like Linus waiting for the Great Pumpkin to appear lol

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1285110]Ahahahahahaha Sorry I missed that original post, I could have to ld you right oft To Avoid Dream Heaven 33 altogether, not only for Nuru. There are so many better places in BKK.[/QUOTE]Hmmm. I never had a bad experience here. I guess YMMV

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1285216]Hmmm. I never had a bad experience here. I guess YMMV[/QUOTE]Well, it isn't about YMMV if you go for NURU and they don't even have real NURU Gel. It's call false advertizing. But this is Thailand so I'm not even surprised.

[QUOTE=Darislnd; 1285049]Got some questions for anyone who's frequented Pink massage on sukhumvit. Was looking into trying it out (not interested in PSE places).

Not in the mood right now for FS, maybe just a massage + a HJ or two.

Does any pink massage regulars know what the services are and how much? I don't want to pay for a FS session if I can just pay for a cheapie HJ or two. Any a la carte service I suppose? Do they also do 2 girl HJ?[/QUOTE]I don't suggest you do that. PINK Massage is a FS Place or at least a Body to Body with BJ. If you go there asking for a HJ, the girl will be pissed as this is a loss of income for her.

You will take her out of the available lineup for a couple hours and she's only going to make 500. (unless you're ready to compensate with at least 1, 000)

PS: I am not taking the side of the MP, I am just saying what the girl will think.

There is a nice HJ Place around Thonglor Called JJ Massage and that offers a Special Oil MAssage with 2 HJ included. [url]http://raku2.tv/?p=294[/url]

Or you can go to a nice Massage Shop like Apsorn in soi 24 and the girls give HJ and BJ there.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1285255]I don't suggest you do that. PINK Massage is a FS Place or at least a Body to Body with BJ. If you go there asking for a HJ, the girl will be pissed as this is a loss of income for her.

You will take her out of the available lineup for a couple hours and she's only going to make 500. (unless you're ready to compensate with at least 1, 000)

PS: I am not taking the side of the MP, I am just saying what the girl will think.

There is a nice HJ Place around Thonglor Called JJ Massage and that offers a Special Oil MAssage with 2 HJ included.

[url]http://raku2.tv/?p=294[/url]

Or you can go to a nice Massage Shop like Apsorn in soi 24 and the girls give HJ and BJ there.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update Nic. Whats your opinion of the girls at those two places vs Pink? To me, having good girls is the most important, I don't mind paying a little extra for service from someone higher end looking. Also, are all these places pretty clean STD wise?

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1284485]If everything was left to your belief, you would have loved to believe that ancient Indian culture, language, or religion had absolutely no influence on the SE Asian region of Thai, Khmer, Myanmarese, Laotian, Indonesian.

Thankfully no one can believe in your beliefs because FACTS WILL REMAIN FACTS.

Just to add fire to your Anti Indian Tirade.

Indian Origin Pali and sanskrit is still taught in schools here,

Indian Origin Buddhism and Hinduism is still actively practised by Thais everyday.

Ramakian (Epic from India called Ramayana) is a revered Epic in Thailand, with many kings having names of Rama.

Go figure and STFU with your half baked beliefs.

Put knowledge and facts before your so called "beliefs".[/QUOTE]Facts remain facts. Pali may be taught in schools but its not very close to Thai language at all.

Its a fact that Pali is from Indo-Aryan family and Thai is not. I looked up information to confirm that.

As I explained the Pali vowel structure is greatly simpler than Thai and Tones are either not use or not important in Pali.

What "Anti-Indian Tirade". It seems like you are the one launching into a tirade. I work with Indians and one is a close friend. I don't have anything against Indians.

I accepted that Buddhism influences Thai culture. Do you really think Indian Culture is similar to Thai? Thais seem to disagree. Ancient history is not so relevant today.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1284646]Ok. Whatever you said. But why the nefarious odor so common to the natives?[/QUOTE]I don't know but I am sure that while in Thailand the natives find plenty of opportunity to get laid for money. Thank god for the sympathetic Thai girls.

[QUOTE=Darislnd;1285276]Thanks for the update Nic. Whats your opinion of the girls at those two places vs Pink? To me, having good girls is the most important, I don't mind paying a little extra for service from someone higher end looking. Also, are all these places pretty clean STD wise?[/QUOTE]Nic only likes one girl at Pink, same as me, but not everybody's taste is the same. Why not have a look at the pics and decide for yourself. Pink is not the place for Massage and HJ unless you want to pay for FS anyway, without getting it. The best top end girls are making big money. 6000 Baht per day and up, so they don't want to waste valuable time on a 500 Baht HJ. Nic kindly recommended some place suited for HJ. I wouldn't know, as I never wanted just a HJ.
No one really knows the STD situation. Can't rely on rumours. Wear a condom. Chlamydia is not unusual and very easy to catch, without precautions. Gonorreah was caught by my buddy recently within first couple of days in Thailand (no condoms). He knows how to pick 'em.

[QUOTE=Dan Key; 1284463]I second all the above. Also:

• If you go to oilies, make sure you use very hot water in the after shower to get it all off. New girls in particular tend to use too much oil and it can linger on the skin. Nothing worse than trying to explain how you got lubed up all over.

• The soaps (at soapies or oilies) have cheap and distinctive fragrances. Take a wrapped bar from your hotel and ask the girl to use that instead.

• Being very loving and considerate, arrange a tour for both of you to something really chick friendly and boring, like a dancing school or yoga class. Then, when the time comes, tell her you're a bit sick, but, being selfless and concerned for her happiness, tell her bravely that you'll be OK, go by yourself.[/QUOTE]Its safer to get a lotion massage.

At MPs they often use Shokubutsu liquid soap, or other similar brands. I don't like the Ginkgo scented one.

I invite my GF to certain functions that I know she will refuse, and then I can skip the function also or leave early.

[QUOTE=Darislnd;1285276]Thanks for the update Nic. Whats your opinion of the girls at those two places vs Pink? To me, having good girls is the most important, I don't mind paying a little extra for service from someone higher end looking. Also, are all these places pretty clean STD wise?[/QUOTE]Picking / liking a girl is very subjective, I may love a girl and you may hate her because contrary to what people think, these girls don't give the same level of service to every customer.

Making the girls comfortable, joking, laughing, teasing will be "Sanook" for the girl and she will let herself go into the session.

If you just go there, tell your name, go shower and go lay there waiting for your massage and then wait for her to flip you over and offer extras, she's going to be bored and go through the motions like a robot.

I'd say if all you want is a HJ by a very cute girl, then you have to go to a THAI massage joint (one where the Thai guys go).

You'll have very pretty girls, but the MO is different.

You go there, you get a so so massage by a very cute girl and at the end she gives you a HJ. You need to tip her to take her clothes off.

Some places, TOP is 1000 and bottom is another 1000. Can be pricey.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1285405]Whats the boots on the ground report of USA dollar to baht exchange rate? On web I see you get 31 plus now.[/QUOTE]Last night 31.5 THB = 1 USD

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1285296]Facts remain facts. Pali may be taught in schools but its not very close to Thai language at all.[/QUOTE]I asked the 12 year old daughter of GF about Pali Language. They recite / chant it in prayers to the Buddha. Does she understand its meaning? Only slightly, because monks at the temple often say something in Pali and then say it again in Thai so that the Thais understand. Also Thai may have borrowed a few words from Pali, just like it borrows words from English. It has never been taught to her at school. At school she studies Thai, English and Chinese. Its a middle class school. Not free, but not the most expensive exclusive school with Farang students. Maybe some higher level schools teach Pali as an optional subject. The structure of Pali words is very unlike Thai according to my internet research.

Sorry to be off topic but this is the "Miscellaneous Off Topic" thread, right? We rarely have good mongering reports here these days.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1285393]
I invite my GF to certain functions that I know she will refuse, and then I can skip the function also or leave early.[/QUOTE]

LMAO. You guys are evil ;)

Went to Nana last night. Why I'm not sure?

Rainbow 4 had very few really pretty girls at 8PM but improved as it got later. I would rate 10% of the girls as really good looking (I'm talking about the face) , and the remainder as average. Most girls there do have reasonable bodies though. Girls with great tits, only about 10% too. The 10% of girls with silicones don't impress me, but luckily is just 10% or so.

One pretyy girl with great tits, was quickly called out off the podium by a Japanese customer (I'm guessing). She was quickly bar-fined and back there within an hour max. Probably less (I didn't have a stop-watch handy). Although I have had a nice girl long time from RB4, I see the pattern that top girls there are looking for very quick turn-over STs to make as much money as possible.

I get much better enthusiastic sex from girls at Soi Cowboy, particularly from girls at Baccarat, Suzi Wong, Shebas, Doll's House. Not sure why. Maybe RB4 is not the best place at Nana to find girls that are enthusiastic fuckers and will give a good 2-3 hour ST.

Had a quick look at Nana Car Park girls. Was early but a couple of reasonable lookers. Most very ordinary. The big difference from Rainbow 4 and Nana car park is that car park girls often have poor bodies. High percentage were either over weight or well under weight. A small percentage looked okay No one stunning of course.

Such behaviour cannot be condoned. These people should have been reported to the police or the appropriate authorities so that they be banned from entering Thailand. They create bad opinion on foreigners in Thailand.

However, I don't think all Indians are like these morons. There might be others who are genuine gentlemen, whose behaviour would be exemplary.

We have morons in all countries.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1283509]What these morons thought they would gain from their loutish, unacceptable behavior is a mystery to me. By the time they left, they had thoroughly alienated every customer and all of the hotel staff working in the vicinity of the argument.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dan Key;1284463]If you go to oilies, make sure you use very hot water in the after shower to get it all off.[/QUOTE]Ever tried to get *real* hot water out of a Thai shower? Most, at best, manage only a little warm. So you will have to use lots of soap to get the oil off and you always miss some hard to reach spots. Finally you end up both lubed and scented. Try to explain that at home.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1285546]Ever tried to get *real* hot water out of a Thai shower? Most, at best, manage only a little warm. So you will have to use lots of soap to get the oil off and you always miss some hard to reach spots. Finally you end up both lubed and scented. Try to explain that at home.[/QUOTE]The most common mistake made by guys is that they think the problem is the oil scent. It's not.

You don't have to smell clean, you need to smell like usual. Your missus will smell it immediately if you used another soap.

Bring your own soap so that you smell like you always smell at home. THAT is the way to fly under the Radar.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1285521]Went to Nana last night. Why I'm not sure?

One pretyy girl with great tits, was quickly called out off the podium by a Japanese customer (I'm guessing). She was quickly bar-fined and back there within an hour max. Probably less (I didn't have a stop-watch handy). Although I have had a nice girl long time from RB4, I see the pattern that top girls there are looking for very quick turn-over STs to make as much money as possible.[/QUOTE]A win win situation for the bar too, cashing multi-BF in the same evening through the same girl. Her, being a gogo, gets also more cash per round than not coming back to the bar and act as a FL around, since it is perceived that a gogo girl can ask far more money than a FL staying a few meters away in Nana car Park. Regardless of performances as we know YMMV.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1285099]Xenophobia is active dislike towards foreigners. Just having racial prejudices is not the same thing. Being a Farang in itself is not a disadvantage in Thailand (unless you're doing business, in which case being non-Chinese and not having connections is a handicap). It is quite often an advantage.

For lower-class Thai girls, we're sort of saviors, both in terms of money, and in liking the type of looks that desirable Thai guys don't care much for. As for Thais with money, they are far less enthusiastic about Farang, but closer to indifference than to active dislike.

A Thai princess used to be married to an American. At least one of the women from the CP Group family (richest in Thailand) is married to an American (of an appropriate social status). Xenophobic? Hardly.

To be blunt, many, if not most of us expats here are NOT cream-of-the-crop in any society. And tend to go for ugliest women within the underclass of the Thai society (who are still better than what they could get in the West). Farang also have an objective language / communication style disadvantage. However, with Thai women, being a Farang is not a disadvantage at all if you speak Thai and develop some cultural sensitivities. Very few Thai women of comparable social status would reject you as a suitor just based on being white. NOT the case in most other countries.[/QUOTE]You have a the typical view of a lot of the expats I meet in Thailand. Your view is somewhat informed but still heavily flawed. You say that foreigners are the saviors of lower class Thai girls because only we like the way they look? So how exactly do all those Thai to Thai marriages happen here? All those full blooded Thai babies running around? Thai guys are attracted to all types of Thai women. You are taking the preferences of maybe the top 1% of Thai men and then using that to determine what beauty is. I really don't care what rich Thai guys want, that's as stupid as me going back home and then assuming that the only beautiful women there are the girlfriends of big shots, movie stars and other members of the top 1% at home. Have you ever gone out of the tourist zones like Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket and such, and had a look around at the Thai couples? Can you really say that the Thai guys are only with girls who are tall, white and slim with straight noses? I'll answer that for you. No. And also can you really say the girls that they are with are all ugly because they don't fit the spec?

You say Thais with money are indifferent to foreigners and my first thought when I read this is where are you from, my second thought was how much money is the cutoff to become a "Thai with money"? Because wherever it is that you are from I can guarantee that rich people there will be indifferent to you as well, if you aren't rich of course. It's safe to say that if you don't mingle with rich people back home then you won't do it here in Thailand either. It has nothing to do with the culture, it's just that monied people stick together for the most part.

You say most westerners here are not the cream of the crop of our societies but guess what? Most Thais here aren't the cream of the crop in their own societies. If you or the people you know here go for ugly women then that is their decision. I can state from my end that me and my friends and colleagues here do not spring after ugly women. Have some of the women been outside of the specifications that the the top 1% of men seem to like? Yes. But they were definitely not ugly. But seems to reason that if the people you associate with are older foreigners then they will accept a girl who may not be the best looking simply because they are happy just to be having sex with a woman half their age. You made a lot of references to social status. I'm not sure if you were saying that because you actually believe in such a thing or if you just mean income level. I'm not white or Asian and have zero issues going after women that I find attractive regardless of whether or not they know about my "social status".

To any guys who read your post and started thinking that everything is predetermined by social status or income level I would just like to add this. If you have no problems getting a good woman back home then you will no problems doing the same here. If you have difficulties getting women back home then you won't be able to come here and get the top non-workin girls but you will be able to spend a few baht and spend some time with some perfectly fine working girls until you evaluate what's holding you back.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca; 1285632].

To any guys who read your post and started thinking that everything is predetermined by social status or income level I would just like to add this. If you have no problems getting a good woman back home then you will no problems doing the same here. If you have difficulties getting women back home then you won't be able to come here and get the top non-workin girls but you will be able to spend a few baht and spend some time with some perfectly fine working girls until you evaluate what's holding you back.[/QUOTE]I think all that was well said and I mostly agree, particular with the last part. I would just add the, perhaps minor point, that at least in my experience (and if I understand you correctly, you would not be in a position to easily confirm this) , as a whitey you do more or less automatically move up a notch on the 1 to 10 looks scale from some (but far from all) women's point of view. A considerable amount of women here are attracted to white skin and western style noses, which gives guys like me a slight bonus in the meeting game here in Thailand, while that is no bonus to me where I come from, as the majority of men have those features.

All Upper-Class Thais went to school Overseas so they have been exposed to White skin already.

One common mistake many expats make is that they think they know Thailand and thai people, well, I know only a few expats that know Thais extensively (they speak Thai, Lao, Issan.) and even they would tell you that there is no way for a Farang to be treated / Accepted fully by a Thai Family.

As far as I am concerned, I don't give a shit about all that. I have money, I am happy with my job and my life here, that's all that matters.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;1285649]A considerable amount of women here are attracted to white skin and western style noses, which gives guys like me a slight bonus in the meeting game here in Thailand, while that is no bonus to me where I come from, as the majority of men have those features.[/QUOTE]Women are the same the world over. What is so hard to understand. They can spot a loser no matter what shape or size or color of the nose. Alpha females attracted to alpha males. IF you're living in a swollen out of shape or spindly dessicated body, cheap bad-fitting clothes, a lifetime lowlife prole you will attract the same quality women no matter where in the world you are. Some women may be attracted to a two-thousand-a-month pension, which gives guys like this a slight bonus.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1285692]Does anyone think agogo girls are not in it 4 the money?

You got to be freaking insane.[/QUOTE]Pardon me? Where did you read that?

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1285296]Facts remain facts. Pali may be taught in schools but its not very close to Thai language at all.

Its a fact that Pali is from Indo-Aryan family and Thai is not. I looked up information to confirm that.

As I explained the Pali vowel structure is greatly simpler than Thai and Tones are either not use or not important in Pali.

What "Anti-Indian Tirade". It seems like you are the one launching into a tirade. I work with Indians and one is a close friend. I don't have anything against Indians.

I accepted that Buddhism influences Thai culture. Do you really think Indian Culture is similar to Thai? Thais seem to disagree. Ancient history is not so relevant today.[/QUOTE]Yes I totally agree with you that Buddhism influences Thai culture but for you information lord Buddha was Indian. You will find temples of lord Ganesha, Vishnu and Ram in Thailand. I am not an expert but here what I find on Wikipedia. Buddhism is a religion and philosophy indigenous to the Indian subcontinent and encompasses a variety of traditions, beliefs, and practices largely based on teachings attributed to Siddhartha Gautama, who is commonly known as the Buddha (meaning "the awakened one" in Sanskrit and P&257; li). The Buddha lived and taught in the eastern part of Indian subcontinent some time between the 6th and 4th centuries BCE. [1] He is recognized by Buddhists as an awakened or enlightened teacher who shared his insights to help sentient beings end ignorance (avidy&257, craving (ta&7751; h&257, and suffering (dukkha) , by recognizing dependent origination and sunyata, and attain Nirvana.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1285713]No offense but it can't be the NOSE of the farang. Not once have I heard a thai mother or thai father put type of nose as a major positive factor.[/QUOTE]It is your nose and skin. Smile and teeth. Most people from the west had braces as children. Girls want a man, they might make a baby with.

In my 30 years of living in America, not one person ever told me they like my eye lashes. Not my mom, grandmother, no one. I never even thought about it myself. But here in Thailand, almost any girl I meet will comment on the length of my eyelashes. They will giggle and say I look like a doll.

I look like a average falang.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1285713]You forgot. MaNY thai girls types that marry farang also like the western concept of social security paychecks. Hahahahaha!

No offense but it can't be the NOSE of the farang. Not once have I heard a thai mother or thai father put type of nose as a major positive factor.

Do all of you post in jest or are you guys really serious?[/QUOTE]Nose is DEFINITELY a factor. That is fairly common knowledge.

Why you think so many Thai girls have nose jobs?

Dear BKK mates, Its been nearly 4 years I didn't go Bangkok.

I'm from KL and will be visiting BKK in mid June and will be staying at silom.

Any good or popular places for a massage+HJ or FJ?

Or I don't mind going some where out of silom but make sure its easy to reach by cab.

I can remember years ago when some of my thai friends brought me to a place called tarawadee. Is this place still exist?

[QUOTE=Bowling32; 1285812]Dear BKK mates, Its been nearly 4 years I didn't go Bangkok.

I'm from KL and will be visiting BKK in mid June and will be staying at silom.

Any good or popular places for a massage+HJ or FJ?

Or I don't mind going some where out of silom but make sure its easy to reach by cab.

I can remember years ago when some of my thai friends brought me to a place called tarawadee. Is this place still exist?[/QUOTE]You have got to be kidding me? RTFF man, its all there.

Tarawadee is still there. The base sideliner price might be higher than it was when you last went. Was it 3700 Baht the last time you visited, that's what it's at now?

Quality still decent as it's out of the way and has a pretty solid client base of business owners and players from that area.

[QUOTE=Bowling32;1285812]Dear BKK mates, Its been nearly 4 years I didn't go Bangkok. I'm from KL and will be visiting BKK in mid June and will be staying at silom. Any good or popular places for a massage+HJ or FJ? Or I don't mind going some where out of silom but make sure its easy to reach by cab. I can remember years ago when some of my thai friends brought me to a place called tarawadee. Is this place still exist?[/QUOTE]Surawong Road has a lot of massage shops between Soi Thaniya and Silom Soi 6. Good prices and big staffs (women and men).

There are a number of shops along lower Silom, past Narathiwas Road. Check between the Pullman Hotel (old Sofitel) and the Narai Hotel. Diamond, Happy and Lisa Massage all have willing practitioners.

There are even a few new "legit" looking massage shops on Patpong 1.

I like to go to "Money Massage." It's in the little shopping complex next to the Thai Airways office on the corner of Silom and Naratiwas. Good prices and clean.

For FS, try Plaza on Patpong 2, Versailles near Wat Hualamphong, Ben Ten on Silom Soi 6, JC on Surawong. Most of the oilies will do FS, too, if you pick the right girl (just ask).

"Oil" massage is almost universal for HJ happy ending, but you might ask just in case. I can't help you with recommendations for FJ? You'll have to ask at the shops about this. ;)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1285663]All Upper-Class Thais went to school Overseas so they have been exposed to White skin already.

One common mistake many expats make is that they think they know Thailand and thai people, well, I know only a few expats that know Thais extensively (they speak Thai, Lao, Issan.) and even they would tell you that there is no way for a Farang to be treated / Accepted fully by a Thai Family.

As far as I am concerned, I don't give a shit about all that. I have money, I am happy with my job and my life here, that's all that matters.[/QUOTE]Correct. There is no assimilation here. That one of the things that separates Thailand from the West.

As far as education is concerned many upper class Thais go to school overseas and it has a positive effect on a FEW of them. Many, even when overseas, hang out with TThais only and never attempt much exploration of another culture. This tends not to be true with the kids educated in an International School here. They are taught in English and tend to be far more switched on. Some of them don't want to return to Thailand after Uni in the West as they like not being constrained by their rigid social system and their parents.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1285663]
One common mistake many expats make is that they think they know Thailand and thai people, well, I know only a few expats that know Thais extensively (they speak Thai, Lao, Issan.) and even they would tell you that there is no way for a Farang to be treated / Accepted fully by a Thai Family.[/QUOTE]
No different from anywhere else in the world really. No matter who you marry back home your family will never really think of them as being as much a part of the family as you are. Sure they will be nice and cordial with your spouse but that's just good manners basically. If the marriage ends very seldom would contact with the family continue unless there were kids involved.
A lot of people have skewed views on this subject because most of them only come in contact with marriages between foreigners and Thai women who are half their age. Of course the Thai family will never fully accept that. Because on one hand they don't want their daughters to be stuck in a relationship with someone twice their age and possibly uniformed about Thai culture/language however, they tolerate it because they do want their daughter (and them) to be well taken care of.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1285663]All Upper-Class Thais went to school Overseas so they have been exposed to White skin already.[/QUOTE]Any Thais that live around or have been to an area with tourist have been exposed to white skin. It's really a myth that if you are white you are automatically more attractive to Thais. Sure there are some differences that Thais notice and may like. Eye color is a big one. But don't think that if you are white with blue or green eyes that it will automatically place you in the "most attractive males" category. People are full packages so if you have those sparkling azure eyes but you weigh about 150kg on a 170cm frame then girls will most likely comment on your eyes because that's the only thing they find attractive about you.

There are definitely Thai women that prefer foreigners just as there are westerners that prefer Asian women but, it's not a given.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;1285649]I think all that was well said and I mostly agree, particular with the last part. I would just add the, perhaps minor point, that at least in my experience (and if I understand you correctly, you would not be in a position to easily confirm this) , as a whitey you do more or less automatically move up a notch on the 1 to 10 looks scale from some (but far from all) women's point of view. A considerable amount of women here are attracted to white skin and western style noses, which gives guys like me a slight bonus in the meeting game here in Thailand, while that is no bonus to me where I come from, as the majority of men have those features.[/QUOTE]I can comment as I work in quite a mixed environment and go out with friends of all shapes, sizes, colors and nationalities. You do move up but not necessarily on the looks scale. You move up because prosperous western countries are predominately white. So some Thais will automatically assume that you are also prosperous and therefore deserve a higher spot on the "worthy mate" scale.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;1285871]But don't think that if you are white with blue or green eyes that it will automatically place you in the "most attractive males" category. People are full packages so if you have those sparkling azure eyes but you weigh about 150kg on a 170cm frame then girls will most likely comment on your eyes because that's the only thing they find attractive about you.[/quote]I disagree, you cannot generalize on this. Different girls like different things.

[quote]There are definitely Thai women that prefer foreigners just as there are westerners that prefer Asian women but, it's not a given.[/QUOTE]I think Thai girls always like their own kind first. Until they get burned and change to liking Foreigners, thinking they will be better than Thai guys. Nothing to do with skin color, eye color or dick size here.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;1285871]There are definitely Thai women that prefer foreigners just as there are westerners that prefer Asian women but, it's not a given.[/QUOTE]And of course on this forum, there will be a majority of members that favour Asian women of the flat-nosed, tanned-skin, smaller frame variety. On the other hand; the women we meet and discuss here, will most likely have a bias for farang (for all the well known good and wrong reasons: looks, position, perceived wealth, manners, ...). But just as "Asian lovers" are a minority in our world, "farang lovers" will be a minority in Thailand.

Saying that Thai women will -given the chance- always prefer Thai men, is as wrong as claiming that all the Members of this forum have chosen Thai girls as a poor "second choice" because none of us can get a Western woman.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1285809]Nose is DEFINITELY a factor. That is fairly common knowledge.

Why you think so many Thai girls have nose jobs?[/QUOTE]Damn, and all this time I was thinking it was the nose below the belt.

Went out with a friend and his mate to Route 66, who are professional pickup artists. Despite the eye candy, this has to be the worst place in BKK trying to pickup girls. On Saturday nights, its too crowded, too loud, and the girls are often in groups, not really wanting to venture outside their little clique, or the girls just looking for Thai guys and not into foreign guys. I was surprised to see quite a few black fellows in this place, but they seemed well groomed and dressed, not shady like the ones on lower sukhumvit. Probably not long before seeing an uptick in half black / thai babies running around. Pretty much got no action, a few smiles here and there but that's about it. The other dude, professional pickup artists got clever and rubbed an ice cube on a girls bare shoulder and she immediately put her hand up saying stop.

At closing time, we went our separate ways, I still felt energetic and slightly buzzing, then took a cab to Climax. I saw a a girl was walking out and she said she's going to Spicey. I've never been there and decided what the hell. She said we could take a cab there and then had the driver pick up one of her girlfriends nearby. She was bragging to me how she has MANY sponsors, one American seeing her in a month, another guy from England in 2 months, and an Italian in a few weeks. This chick wasn't even all that too, amazing how these sharks can lure so many guys for sponsorship!!!

Arived to Spicey and at the Entry, the 2 girls assumed I would pay their entry fee of 300 baht each and I told the cashier I wasn't with them. I told her sorry that's more than my momma allows me to spend in one night. The nerve of some of these gals just to share a cab ride and they expect me to pay entry fee! She was a bit miffed and said to pay for the taxi and I said sure I'll pay my share and threw her 40 baht. This place reminded me of a warehouse that was renovated for Halloween time. It seemed like a decent place with a mix of good girls and freelancers. Got a free Heineken with the 300 fee and walked around and saw a hot girl in a miniskirt standing there with her 3 friends. Danced a little and then went to the lobby to chat, she started to get a bit distant, so we went back in and parted ways, walked around some more and then ran into her again she grabbed my arm then started to dance some more, this girl was a hot little tan skinned girl, said she was from Hat Yai I think. I'm fairly certain it was, but don't hold me to it.

It was getting late (early) and I started to tire, I thought the chemistry started to click again, and thought I'd just get her number, weather she was p4p or not, I still wanted to see her again for sex play. To my surprise, she said she would come with me and I was pretty happy about that. Once we arrived to my condo, we drank some more vodka, then started getting frisky, and things were about starting to heat up. Or so it thought haha. She started to complain she was drunk and tired and then said she had to go home. LOL She left, offered to exchange numbers, but I declined. I think in hindsight I should have exchanged, but her abrupt change of demeanor really turned me off and maybe when its all said and done its not a big deal.

I end up passing out drunk and just ordered some McDonalds for breakfast LOL

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1285896]The other dude, professional pickup artists got clever and rubbed an ice cube on a girls bare shoulder and she immediately put her hand up saying stop.[/QUOTE]That got me laughing out loud. Professional pickup artist? From which league? What's the salary like? As an amateur, I'm interested.

Also, looks to me that the professional who "Got Clever" was just as dumb as the next guy. Rubbing ice on a Thai girl's bare shoulder in public? Mmmhhhh I'm not surprised the girl gave him a cold shoulder.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1285880]I think Thai girls always like their own kind first. Until they get burned and change to liking Foreigners, thinking they will be better than Thai guys. Nothing to do with skin color, eye color or dick size here.[/QUOTE]

This is a key point. Thai girls get fed up with selfishness of Thai men and are then prepared to try Farangs, if they seem more considerate and more honest. Others are just looking for a guy with money I guess. Some girls just become very wary of all men in general. There are good guys out there to be had. A mate of mine was an extremely good guy, but lacking great ability to charm the girls in his home country. He got snapped up very quickly by the female manager of the Bungaloes (with daugther already) where he stayed in his 2nd day in Thailand. They are long married now. I don't particularly like his wife (too stingy and too sarcastic) but she was a great judge of male character and gave him little chance to escape, I guess.

One massive problem with Thai men, is they like to get a girl pregnant (or don't care is she gets pregnant) and then they dissappear, and get a new girl. I know one Thai man who made babies with 4 different girls (not concurrently) but he was a serial deserter. Not sure why Thai girls are so dumb as to have a baby early in the relationship.

I guess professional pickupartist is my dream to become or what I try to pretend I am, hehe. No offence.

Atleast sometimes I manage to pick up girls (not all the the time hitting a freebie / or "normal" girl will succeed. I sometimes get turned down in Thailand, Norway or anywhere else for that matter. Same same). What I have learned, and this especially goes for Thailand, is that you never touch a girl in public without her permission. In Thailand this means loose face if she is with other people.

Rubbing a little ice on her shoulder is ofcourse not worth killing (and most certanly will the girl treat is as a irritating gesture. Atleast I am pretty sure it did not drew any positive attention whatsoever. In Norway we sometimes, atleast when we were younger, slapped some womens arses in public, discoes and such. No problem. I don't think I would try that one in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1285964]This is a key point. Thai girls get fed up with selfishness of Thai men and are then prepared to try Farangs, if they seem more considerate and more honest. Others are just looking for a guy with money I guess. Some girls just become very wary of all men in general. There are good guys out there to be had. A mate of mine was an extremely good guy, but lacking great ability to charm the girls in his home country. He got snapped up very quickly by the female manager of the Bungaloes (with daugther already) where he stayed in his 2nd day in Thailand. They are long married now. I don't particularly like his wife (too stingy and too sarcastic) but she was a great judge of male character and gave him little chance to escape, I guess.

One massive problem with Thai men, is they like to get a girl pregnant (or don't care is she gets pregnant) and then they dissappear, and get a new girl. I know one Thai man who made babies with 4 different girls (not concurrently) but he was a serial deserter. Not sure why Thai girls are so dumb as to have a baby early in the relationship.[/QUOTE]Last year in the Bangkok Post there was a article regarding a topic sucha as this being discussed. Particular how useless Thai men were and how sick and tired and they better start to step up. The article also revealed that with the increase number of Korean soap operas being showed on Thai T. V. That many are fascinated and have a romance derived from watching these soaps that Koreans and others Asian men like Japanese and Chinese are becoming more popular. Many feel they look like us and have money to spend and seem to take care of business.

A few month back a similar conversation was going and someone said something to let this " better looking and stronger " it got me thinking and when I'm at some of the popular gogos I watch the girls with the Asian guys. Although there are old one I see a lot of the girls having a pretty good time with these other Asian who seem to be in the same age group as the girls working? Are they ugly I don't know but when one thinks about the article and can see a Thai women point that we look like them and seem to have money to spend. In essence they are halfway there, right!

The article goes on and state that it's not all wine and roses and many who have traveled abroard, like Korea have found out that that Koreans are pretty big butterflies themselves and can be abusive towards their women. Many have return disillusion! Being Asian I believe that women in Asia would rather stay with their own kind. If a situation arised Thai man and money staying in Thailand or Thai women and Farang I would Thai man with money!

In the end, it still the money! As for myself being asian and speaking some Thai and live here they all seem happy to meet me and say I'm nearly 100%Thai, but when I tell them my priority before they get any ideas I'm left with a empty glass and no girl. This is good and bad I don't have to buy more than one drink but I have to work harder to get them to stay?

Its not your white skin and good looks with your perfect nose it begins and ends with the $$$$$$

LBM

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1285964]One massive problem with Thai men, is they like to get a girl pregnant (or don't care is she gets pregnant) and then they dissappear, and get a new girl. I know one Thai man who made babies with 4 different girls (not concurrently) but he was a serial deserter. Not sure why Thai girls are so dumb as to have a baby early in the relationship.[/QUOTE]Love blinds people. It's that same blindness that leads guys (often foreigners) to buy property in a local gal's name only to be burned a few years down the road, often dumped for another foreign fellow or in many cases another local fellow.

To each his own I suppose.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1285964]One massive problem with Thai men, is they like to get a girl pregnant (or don't care is she gets pregnant) and then they dissappear, and get a new girl. I know one Thai man who made babies with 4 different girls (not concurrently) but he was a serial deserter. Not sure why Thai girls are so dumb as to have a baby early in the relationship.[/QUOTE]This happens all over the world. Poor [insert nationality] girls are no different from [insert another nationality] in this regard.

[QUOTE=Professor 1;1285974]This happens all over the world. Poor [insert nationality] girls are no different from [insert another nationality] in this regard.[/QUOTE]It is no different with regard foreign mongers who visit. They too make babies with local girls (BAR as well as NON-BAR ). And run away.

Girls are used to it. I am sure they are dissappointed but it is fact of life. Very few girls request to wear condom in Thailand, Cambodia and Philippines.

Chinese, Vietnam girls always do. So do south American girls.

[QUOTE=Professor 1;1285974]This happens all over the world. Poor [insert nationality] girls are no different from [insert another nationality] in this regard.[/QUOTE]In western countries it happens very little compared to here in Thailand. Perhaps in the west, the girls get abortions.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1285552]The most common mistake made by guys is that they think the problem is the oil scent. It's not.

You don't have to smell clean, you need to smell like usual. Your missus will smell it immediately if you used another soap.

Bring your own soap so that you smell like you always smell at home. THAT is the way to fly under the Radar.[/QUOTE]Well I suppose Nic would have oiled up skin every day, so nothing unusual. ;)

Its the oiliness of the oil. It is different to sweat.

I do agree that some MP soaps are going to make you smell strange though, that's why I would like to be able to get some sweaty / stinky spray to mask it, were it available. Its not very practical to take my shower gel with me, although possible if transferred to a very small container, given I have taken lube with me on occasions, and take condoms if going to a Thai oriented soapy where the girl's condoms may be too small (49s are rather uncomfortable) or too thick.

Fortunately my GF doesn't come up to me sniffing. I take showers very often so that any given shower at home after going out won't seem strange. Get rid of unusual smells quickly is the point.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1285546]Ever tried to get *real* hot water out of a Thai shower? Most, at best, manage only a little warm. So you will have to use lots of soap to get the oil off and you always miss some hard to reach spots. Finally you end up both lubed and scented. Try to explain that at home.[/QUOTE]You must be referring to Hotel showers. My home shower is certainly capable of hotter than I can stand. The heat dial is always on very low. Many MPs have a similar on wall electric instant water heater. It should be capable of quite hot if adjusted.

No matter, I recommend lotion rather oil, as its easier to get off to point where won't be noticed.

In the west, its the opposite, especially if the dude's wealthy its like hitting the lottery. Its no accident many athletes have multiple kids from multiple mothers.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1286040]No matter, I recommend lotion rather oil, as its easier to get off to point where won't be noticed.[/QUOTE]I recommend to start playing with your girl right in the shower and then continue on the bed. No oil, Lotion or whatever! You'll smell like pure sex. Haha

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1286045]I recommend to start playing with your girl right in the shower and then continue on the bed. No oil, Lotion or whatever! You'll smell like pure sex. Haha[/QUOTE]Your right. I haven't actually had much lotion lately. I usually say to forget the massage, unless she wants to brush over me with nice soft tits. Certainly the "special" comes before any attempt at semi-real massage for me, and then often we run out of time.

I am not paying for a massage. My favourite girls soon get used to not bothering with massage. I have no real use for a massage. If I did I might go to a spa.

I will be heading to Thailand in a few days. I'm planning on staying in Bangkok for a couple days before heading to Pattaya. I was trying to find out which money exchanger can I get the best rate. A local girl in Pattaya showed me a place off of 2nd road that have a better rate then most exchanger in that area. I was checking if anyone knows a similar place in Bangkok.

Thanks,

EJ

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1286045]I recommend to start playing with your girl right in the shower and then continue on the bed. No oil, Lotion or whatever! You'll smell like pure sex. Haha[/QUOTE]That must be the reason my Thai GF always sniffs me out (rather than kissing) when I meet her.

[QUOTE=Ej2208;1286072]I was checking if anyone knows a similar place in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]At Sukhumvit Soi 3 there's a indian tailor about 50m into Soi 3 (coming from Sukhumvit Road). Inside the tailor there is or at least there was a couple of years ago a chinese money changer who offered slightly better rates then a regular bank

[QUOTE=Harold444;1285713]MaNY thai girls types that marry farang also like the western concept of social security paychecks. Hahahahaha![/QUOTE]Living off your social security pay (?) checks. What a concept. Hahaha. And getting offers of marriage from many thai girl types. Yes, we can picture what these ladies look like.

Instead of asking bar girls or changing money in the back room of a tailor shop I recommend a more scientific approach.

Fire up your favorite web browser and surf over here for the latest rates:

[url]http://bankexchangerates.daytodaydata.net/default.aspx[/url]

Pick the location closest to you.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1285896]Went out with a friend and his mate to Route 66, who are professional pickup artists. Despite the eye candy, this has to be the worst place in BKK trying to pickup girls. On Saturday nights, its too crowded, too loud, and the girls are often in groups, not really wanting to venture outside their little clique, or the girls just looking for Thai guys and not into foreign guys. I was surprised to see quite a few black fellows in this place, but they seemed well groomed and dressed, not shady like the ones on lower sukhumvit. Probably not long before seeing an uptick in half black / thai babies running around. Pretty much got no action, a few smiles here and there but that's about it. The other dude, professional pickup artists got clever and rubbed an ice cube on a girls bare shoulder and she immediately put her hand up saying stop.

At closing time, we went our separate ways, I still felt energetic and slightly buzzing, then took a cab to Climax. I saw a a girl was walking out and she said she's going to Spicey. I've never been there and decided what the hell. She said we could take a cab there and then had the driver pick up one of her girlfriends nearby. She was bragging to me how she has MANY sponsors, one American seeing her in a month, another guy from England in 2 months, and an Italian in a few weeks. This chick wasn't even all that too, amazing how these sharks can lure so many guys for sponsorship!

Arived to Spicey and at the Entry, the 2 girls assumed I would pay their entry fee of 300 baht each and I told the cashier I wasn't with them. I told her sorry that's more than my momma allows me to spend in one night. The nerve of some of these gals just to share a cab ride and they expect me to pay entry fee! She was a bit miffed and said to pay for the taxi and I said sure I'll pay my share and threw her 40 baht. This place reminded me of a warehouse that was renovated for Halloween time. It seemed like a decent place with a mix of good girls and freelancers. Got a free Heineken with the 300 fee and walked around and saw a hot girl in a miniskirt standing there with her 3 friends. Danced a little and then went to the lobby to chat, she started to get a bit distant, so we went back in and parted ways, walked around some more and then ran into her again she grabbed my arm then started to dance some more, this girl was a hot little tan skinned girl, said she was from Hat Yai I think. I'm fairly certain it was, but don't hold me to it.

It was getting late (early) and I started to tire, I thought the chemistry started to click again, and thought I'd just get her number, weather she was p4p or not, I still wanted to see her again for sex play. To my surprise, she said she would come with me and I was pretty happy about that. Once we arrived to my condo, we drank some more vodka, then started getting frisky, and things were about starting to heat up. Or so it thought haha. She started to complain she was drunk and tired and then said she had to go home. LOL She left, offered to exchange numbers, but I declined. I think in hindsight I should have exchanged, but her abrupt change of demeanor really turned me off and maybe when its all said and done its not a big deal.

I end up passing out drunk and just ordered some McDonalds for breakfast LOL[/QUOTE]Why did you not offer her to sleep in your bedroom?

As being a gentle man you could have offer that she sleeps in your bed and that you would take the sofa.

I had that several times and. If the girl is tired (too) next morning you could give this another try.

What I did not understand is that you simple let her go?

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1285981]It is no different with regard foreign mongers who visit. They too make babies with local girls (BAR as well as NON-BAR ). And run away.

Girls are used to it. I am sure they are dissappointed but it is fact of life. Very few girls request to wear condom in Thailand, Cambodia and Philippines.

Chinese, Vietnam girls always do. So do south American girls.[/QUOTE]I wonder if you are basing these claims on personal experience, or what girls have told you, or something else.

According to the "Thailand AIDS Response Progress Report 2012" the "Percentage of sex workers reporting the use of condom with their most recent client", in particular the venue based female sex workers (FSW) , was 95. 7 percent in 2011.

[url]http://aidsdatahub.org/en/reference-librarycols2/surveillance-situational-analysis-assessments[/url]

In Bangkok I've found that at least 50 percent of street walkers will go without a condom for sex. But they never volunteered to do so, and only agreed if asked, sometimes requiring a tip or large bonus.

Freelancers in Bangkok were reported in 2007 to have an HIV positive rate of 19 percent. Venue based P4P TGs in Thailand, OTOH, had less than a 2 percent HIV infection rate in 2011. Freelancers, BTW, means street walkers or other independent sex workers, for example those who go to Beergarden and Thermae in BKK.

Re making babies, they can be made from farangs who use condoms, too. Even with perfect condom use 1 in 50 couples will experience a pregnancy per year with condoms as the only means of birth control. Real world use is at least 10% or 5 in 50 re the pregnancy rate. Moreover, working girls often have more sex than the average couple, so their rates would be even higher.

BTW, coitus interruptus, pulling out before ejaculating, with bareback vaginal sex, is about as effective as condoms in preventing pregnancy. It is also obviously much safer for the lady as regards STIs than unloading within her.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coitus_interruptus[/url]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1286045]I recommend to start playing with your girl right in the shower and then continue on the bed. No oil, Lotion or whatever! You'll smell like pure sex. Haha[/QUOTE]My few posts have been in the Philippine threads. On my last trip I met a very attractive slim professional 40 old separated MILF in Cebu. It was our first meeting and we had chatted on DIA and YM. She flew herself from Cagayan de Oro so we could meet in a place where there were no prying eyes. I told her when we meet "your the boss". Tell me your fantasy about our first meeting. It was to meet outside the hotel, got straight into the room, shower together, soap each other up and a teaser about. Then to the bed. She was "the boss" and she lived it as she explained it.

She later told me foreigners often smell bad so part of her plan was to get all cleaned up for a memorable experience. Very cool and she was "the boss" throughout the first about. Once she realized I kept myself clean and showered at least once a day and before getting dirty with her she totally relaxed. After that I introduced her to BBBJ and cim and finally a s. W all of which she said she had never tried. She said the reason she had not done this was that her ex and the one foreigner she dated never bothered to get the cheese off the front and the skids off the back. Her whole focus was that we both were clean smelling and after that the sky was the limit.

Filipinas love Dove soap. Bring a supply of small bottles to leave with them and they will tell you every time they shower that they think of you. (smiley please).

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1286041]In the west, its the opposite, especially if the dude's wealthy its like hitting the lottery. Its no accident many athletes have multiple kids from multiple mothers.[/QUOTE]Very true? And some are just like Thais men too? Just ask Terrel Owens a spoil selfcenter American football althlete who has multiple kids by multiple mothers who is broke now and was living under a freeway overpass and behind years in his child support! Or look at Holofield the former Heavweight boxing champion and Mike Tyson who is also hanging by his hang nail?

LBM

[quote=pinkpearl; 1286128]btw, coitus interruptus, pulling out before ejaculating, with bareback vaginal sex, is about as effective as condoms in preventing pregnancy.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/coitus_interruptus[/url][/quote]for someone so into stats, you could at least used a credible source like a taxi driver or a farmer to support your argument. no one should use wikipedia to advance their claim as not much of anything there is peer reviewed or verified. to their credit they tell you this in their disclaimer and they also wrote that this area needs further research but you ran with it anyway. the best advice on wiki is the one below from their page.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wikipedia:general_disclaimer[/url]

not professional advice.

if you need specific advice (for example, medical, legal, financial, or risk management) please seek a professional who is licensed or knowledgeable in that area

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1286089]That must be the reason my Thai GF always sniffs me out (rather than kissing) when I meet her.[/QUOTE]Hahaha no. Every thai girls does this, it's a cultural thing, not about smelling if you have had a shower recently or not.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1285966]I guess professional pickupartist is my dream to become or what I try to pretend I am, hehe. No offence.[/QUOTE]Picking up women and trying to be a pickup artist is one thing, Claiming to be a Professional is another.

You are a professional Pickup artist only when you make a living out of it. Guys like "Mystery" or "David DeAngelo" can say they are professionals because they actually sell their Art for money. And they maks quite a Killing at it.

While "Mystery" has a 500$ per person training, David De Angelo invites you to his 24 hours presentation for $1500. And his presentations are attended by around 50 prs / up each time.

Books, DVDs, TV Programs. These guys get paid to teach others how to pickup, techniques. How to open a set.

Guys like us, people who enjoy doing it but not making a living off it, are just Amateurs.

And rubbing ice on a girls shoulder? Seriously? That's a no-no in Thailand. Any pro would have known this.

Nic, there are some junior pro coaches who work for the big companies who live in BKK part time. They'll go do some seminars in the US, make some money over one or two months, and then come here to chill.

According to Tony, they didn't have much success at Route 66. Maybe their skills aren't calibrated for Thailand.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1285809]Nose is DEFINITELY a factor. That is fairly common knowledge.

Why you think so many Thai girls have nose jobs?[/QUOTE]And how ridiculous is that? Just last month a good friend of mine with a beautiful model quality face went ahead and got a nose job (implant for a fake nasal bone). I, in jest as I dislike those too, suggested she would be much better off getting a boob job, but my advise was ignored.

[quote=run mann; 1286244]for someone so into stats, you could at least used a credible source like a taxi driver or a farmer to support your argument. no one should use wikipedia to advance their claim as not much of anything there is peer reviewed or verified. to their credit they tell you this in their disclaimer and they also wrote that this area needs further research but you ran with it anyway. the best advice on wiki is the one below from their page.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wikipedia:general_disclaimer[/url]

not professional advice.

if you need specific advice (for example, medical, legal, financial, or risk management) please seek a professional who is licensed or knowledgeable in that area[/quote]no one said wikipedia is infallible like the pope. neither are those you recommend, such as in the medical field. a doctor i saw recently didn't even know what a p24 antigen test is. and, obviously, you didn't post anything contrary to the article i referred to, so you've provided no reasons to dismiss it's conclusions.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1286282]No one said Wikipedia is infallible like the Pope.[/QUOTE]Latest vaticanleanks prove that also 'he' is not so infallible.

[QUOTE=Ej2208;1286072]I will be heading to Thailand in a few days. I'm planning on staying in Bangkok for a couple days before heading to Pattaya. I was trying to find out which money exchanger can I get the best rate. A local girl in Pattaya showed me a place off of 2nd road that have a better rate then most exchanger in that area. I was checking if anyone knows a similar place in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]In the Arab section off Suk between Soi 3 and Soi 5 (behind the Grace Hotel) there are private money exchangers whose rates for buying [U]pristine[/U] $100USD bills are better than the bank booths in the area, or ATM withdrawals for that matter. Talking around 1% better (plus or minus) just show them the bills first to get the best quote.

SunLover

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1286354]Latest vaticanleanks prove that also 'he' is not so infallible.[/QUOTE]Even in his own church he is not considered infallible, except when he speaks excathedra.

As for Wikipedia, it often cites credible sources in support of its claims, like scientific studies & research that can be read online. Just follow the supporting references at the end of each article for online links or books.

I haven't seen anything out there that disagrees with what I posted about the similarity in pregnancy rates. There are plenty of sites that post numbers like the Wikipedia article has, e. G. The Mayo clinic.

Also many sites or businesses that speak about health issues have to make disclaimers in order not to get sued. That doesn't mean the info provided isn't accurate.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1286282]No one said Wikipedia is infallible like the Pope. Neither are those you recommend, such as in the medical field. A doctor I saw recently didn't even know what a p24 antigen test is. And, obviously, you didn't post anything contrary to the article I referred to, so you've provided no reasons to dismiss it's conclusions.[/QUOTE]No need to, the article discredited and dismissed it's own conclusions by telling you that more researched is needed and that the info posted there was not verified which is why it is worthless information.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1286364]In the Arab section off Suk between Soi 3 and Soi 5 (behind the Grace Hotel) there are private money exchangers whose rates for buying [U]pristine[/U] $100USD bills are better than the bank booths in the area, or ATM withdrawals for that matter. Talking around 1% better (plus or minus) just show them the bills first to get the best quote[/QUOTE]This is accurate information. Arabs on Silom likewise consistently offer the best rate in town.

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1286396]No need to, the article discredited and dismissed it's own conclusions by telling you that more researched is needed and that the info posted there was not verified which is why it is worthless information.[/QUOTE]LOL. That is ridiculous. The comment on "more research being needed" only referred to one small point in the article, not the entirety of it!

Studies have already concluded that pregnancy rates for condom use are not that different from coitus interruptus (bareback vaginal sex without cumming inside the female vagina). For example, the article stated that for "couples that use coitus interruptus correctly at every act of intercourse, the failure rate is 4% per year." And "the condom has a perfect-use failure rate of 2 percent". BTW, female condoms, as distinct from other types of condoms, have been given a failure rate of 5 percent.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coitus_interruptus[/url]

Furthermore, if a man's precum has no sperm in it, as a number of studies have found, then the perfect use rate of coitus interuptus would be even less than 4 percent, and be zero percent.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precum[/url]

The Mayo clinic, commonly cited as an authoritative source, says re coitus interruptus:

"As many as 22 out of 100 women who practice the withdrawal method for one year will get pregnant."

[url]http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/withdrawal-method/MY01050/DSECTION=risks[/url]

Compare that to the almost identical rate with condom pregnancies of up to 18%:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coitus_interruptus[/url]

And I have to conclude, do you have any clue regarding this subject? Evidently not.

For those who complain that there are no sex shops in Thailand. Go to Seacon Square in Bangkok

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1286128]BTW, coitus interruptus, pulling out before ejaculating, with bareback vaginal sex, is about as effective as condoms in preventing pregnancy.[/QUOTE]That may be a slight exaggeration, but I found it effective, in combination with watching days since last period, for close to one year with ex Philipine GF. She did not get pregnant. Some would downrate condoms due to danger of slip or break. However if condom slips off or breaks, rather than hoping for the best, the girl can follow up with the morning after Pills.

Apart from the various options at pad pong & other areas, I explored the outcall options to my hotel. Though staying a 5* hotel, there were extremely GF friendly. I did not even have to step out from my room and she arrived to my door. Only thing hotel does is to call and check if we are expecting a guest!

I went through some escort websites, looked up options and most of the cases the owner said that the girl I am referring to from the websites is available. I also noticed that we can negotiate and on 2 occasions I was able to get a discount of 500-1000 baht. Picked up this girl (pic attached) from a website, got a deal. A good 2 hour session included a erotic shower together, thai massage and a full GFE service. Most of them are not clock watchers.

PM me if any of you need more info but I am sure what I will share can be googled!

Cheers to Bangkok!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1286484]For those who complain that there are no sex shops in Thailand. Go to Seacon Square in Bangkok[/QUOTE]Been there a few times lately but failed to notice it. Supposed to be at Tesco Lotus end (south end) 2nd floor (foot bridge level).

[url]http://www.seaconsquare.com/eng/searchword.asp[/url]

Would be interesting to see they have any quality gadgets for ladies. What's available on Sukhumvit is really crap. Brought a rechargeable quality Vibe back from OS for an ex GF, just recently. She is horny, but doesn't live in a tourist area, and doesn't do Thai men any more. I have standing invitation to go live with her, but she isn't so hot and sexy as she was 20 years ago, and its a remote location.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1286496]She is horny, but doesn't live in a tourist area, and doesn't do Thai men any more. I have standing invitation to go live with her, but she isn't so hot and sexy as she was 20 years ago, and its a remote location.[/QUOTE]Good luck now dealing with the 100 PMs you will get from the Cream or the Crop of ISG. These Creepos that would just fuck about anything that moves.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1286307]For you non-believers.

The key to FREE thai girls is you have to offer or insinuate comepnsation is cumming their way.

Or in laymans terms- give them baht or make them think you will.

Thai girls are not interesed in a farang bf with nice eyelashes who only provides fun and companionship. Of course there are exceptions. LOL.[/QUOTE]Did you just say the key to getting a free hooker is to trick them into thinking you will pay them then rip them off? Never has there been a need for me to bait a non-pro like that, mainly because of the definition of non-pro itself.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1286503]Did you just say the key to getting a free hooker is to trick them into thinking you will pay them then rip them off? Never has there been a need for me to bait a non-pro like that, mainly because of the definition of non-pro itself.[/QUOTE]Shit, I have that asshole 444 on "Ignore" and can't see what the sucker writes unless someone quotes him. And by the look of what you quoted him saying, it looks like I am missing on some good laughs.

This guy has to be a 15 years old jerking off from somewhere in Mississipi.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1286506]This guy has to be a 15 years old jerking off from somewhere in Mississipi.[/QUOTE]More probably 55 and living in the basement of his mother's place. Or in a small clapboard shed behind her trailer.

just kiddin'

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1286502]Good luck now dealing with the 100 PMs you will get from the Cream or the Crop of ISG. These Creepos that would just fuck about anything that moves.[/QUOTE]I had the same thought (your thought, not the one of PM'ing the guy!). Someone would not believe his eyes by reading she is not young and she is horny! He can even put 50 baht on the table!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1286502]These Creepos that would just fuck about anything that moves.[/QUOTE]And perhaps for the creepiest of the Creepos, it doesn't even have to move anymore.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15; 1286113]Why did you not offer her to sleep in your bedroom?

As being a gentle man you could have offer that she sleeps in your bed and that you would take the sofa.

I had that several times and. If the girl is tired (too) next morning you could give this another try.

What I did not understand is that you simple let her go?[/QUOTE]Of course I offered, but she was being evasive so it wouldn't have mattered anyways.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1286502]Good luck now dealing with the 100 PMs you will get from the Cream or the Crop of ISG. These Creepos that would just fuck about anything that moves.[/QUOTE]Ha Ha! Fortunately I do not allow PM. She is fuckable, just not quite stunning any more. She won't just fuck anyone, she expects certain skills. I am indebted to her for training me how to give superior DATY, many years back. Apparently only a small percentage of guys do it really well. Taught me many things about colloquial (non-classroom) Thai language too.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1286434]LOL. That is ridiculous. The comment on "more research being needed" only referred to one small point in the article, not the entirety of it!

Studies have already concluded that pregnancy rates for condom use are not that different from coitus interruptus (bareback vaginal sex without cumming inside the female vagina). For example, the article stated that for "couples that use coitus interruptus correctly at every act of intercourse, the failure rate is 4% per year." And "the condom has a perfect-use failure rate of 2 percent". BTW, female condoms, as distinct from other types of condoms, have been given a failure rate of 5 percent.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coitus_interruptus[/url]

Furthermore, if a man's precum has no sperm in it, as a number of studies have found, then the perfect use rate of coitus interuptus would be even less than 4 percent, and be zero percent.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precum[/url]

The Mayo clinic, commonly cited as an authoritative source, says re coitus interruptus:

"As many as 22 out of 100 women who practice the withdrawal method for one year will get pregnant."

[url]http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/withdrawal-method/MY01050/DSECTION=risks[/url]

Compare that to the almost identical rate with condom pregnancies of up to 18%:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coitus_interruptus[/url]

And I have to conclude, do you have any clue regarding this subject? Evidently not.[/QUOTE]The further studies portion addressed the very portion of your original post that I quoted but ignoring facts and creating your own is the reason you're being called out by so many posters here. However, like an ostrich with your head in the sand you see only what you want to see so keep posting your dubious information and selective stats, one day even you will believe what you post.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1286523]And perhaps for the creepiest of the Creepos, it doesn't even have to move anymore.[/QUOTE]OMG. You gave me stomach cramps, I laughed really hard there and everyone in the office looked at me strangely

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1286539]Ha Ha! Fortunately I do not allow PM. She is fuckable, just not quite stunning any more. She won't just fuck anyone, she expects certain skills. I am indebted to her for training me how to give superior DATY, many years back. Apparently only a small percentage of guys do it really well. Taught me many things about colloquial (non-classroom) Thai language too.[/QUOTE]Ok so then I'll be the first Creepo in line: I am actually genuinely interested. I don't mind her age or her being a stunner, I just want to see where my DATY skills are at. That would be a Great thing to find a thai girl to actually tell me truthfully (and an expert one at that). Many of my non-pros tell me I am really good but I take it with a Grain of salt as they haven't had that many guys eat their pussy before.

It's like getting a BJ, they are all Great until one day you really get a GREAT one. Then all the other ones pale in comparison.

I am seriously interested in the Challenge.

By the way, I love how clusterfucked this Thread is.

There are talks of Pros, non pros, shops, STDs, viagra, racial stuff, money exchange. Even H444 (our resident comic) makes guest appearances

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1286561]. Many of my non-pros tell me I am really good but I take it with a Grain of salt as they haven't had that many guys eat their pussy before.[/QUOTE]Auntie Guido told me you are really good.


Giotto
PS: (especially with sausages)

My hiso GF walked right into my condo while I was having a few drinkies with an online girl I had brought over. (I forgot to lock the door) Beforehand she had called 10 times and messaged 7-8. Amazingly bad timing this is the first time she arrived unannounced or uninvited LOL. She was visibly shaken, went on to say how all thais know that girl is a bar girl and how ugly she was (dark skinned). I consoled her, but also had a few choice words for her for just showing up and walking into my condo. After a few minutes the online girl walked out, they had a fast conversation in thai, and she left. I asked her what she told her, and she said he's my boyfriend and not to contact him anymore, then we went along our merry way. She told me she will give me one more chance but not another!

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1286574]Beforehand she had called 10 times and messaged 7-8. Amazingly bad timing this is the first time she arrived unannounced or uninvited LOL.[/QUOTE]Well, if she had called 10 times and messaged 8 times, that's not really showing up unannounced.

Well, yeah it was because we had plans to meet up the next day and I told her I was going out to eat for the evening. She was waiting outside my condo for an hour till she decided to break and enter. I think she had a sneaky suspicion something was amiss.

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1286551]The further studies portion addressed the very portion of your original post that I quoted[/QUOTE]I'm aware of where your confusion was & have already corrected it.

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1286551]but ignoring facts and creating your own is the reason you're being called out by so many posters here. However, like an ostrich with head in the sand you see only what you want to see so keep posting your dubious information and selective stats, one day even you will believe what you post.[/QUOTE]It is highly doubtful, but perhaps one day you will read and, with lots of luck, even understand what is recognized by scientific studies, research & medical authorities.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1286564]By the way, I love how clusterfucked this Thread is.

There are talks of Pros, non pros, shops, STDs, viagra, racial stuff, money exchange. Even H444 (our resident comic) makes guest appearances[/QUOTE]More like our village idiot.

Is it mean to be low season at the moment or does this really only apply to Pattaya. I'll be arriving soon so I'm wondering if prices in general are lower or are more negotiable? Does it even make sense to think of it this way? It's hard to get a fix on the different aspects mongering in Bangkok as I really only know Pattaya.

I will read a shitload more on Gogos since I've never hit them up beofre

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1286485]That may be a slight exaggeration, but I found it effective, in combination with watching days since last period, for close to one year with ex Philipine GF. She did not get pregnant. Some would downrate condoms due to danger of slip or break. However if condom slips off or breaks, rather than hoping for the best, the girl can follow up with the morning after Pills.[/QUOTE]I think the withdrawal method is quite effective for those with a high degree of skill at it. Even with this method the morning after pill could be used in case of an "accident". But for the general public, like condoms, it is a poor means of birth control & should be combined with other methods. Even for myself, being able to avoid finishing inside the vagina 100% of the time, due to the possibility of sperm in precum I wouldn't rely on it alone & prefer the lady be fixed or using effective birth control.

Last night after months of anticipation (it was closed when I was last in Bangkok due to a death) I made it to Soi Cowboy. It took over 2. 5 hours and 4 bars before I finally found one that I wanted to take home. Perhaps I'm a bit of a dick but I tend to have rules about bar / go-go girls mainly pertaining to how greedy they act in the bar, I. E. If they ask for lady drinks instead of to be bar fined I pretty much walk away or if I buy them a lady drink and they ask for another I walk away. I was actually about to bar fine a chick who gave me a lap dance until she asked for a second drink and then started to pout and eventually make the I have to use the bathroom excuse when I told her no.

The main highlight was the parts of a live show I saw at Miss Wongs (I think that's the name). Sadly, I could barely see the stage from my seat but it is the one place I would go back to as long as I could get a high center seat or a seat at the stage. The biggest let down was the girls and their lack of dancing. The whole night I saw probably 100 girls dancing and less than 5 actually appeared to give a shit.

I ended up settling on number 66 at Shark Bar. She was the only one who politely asked for a drink and was forward about leaving with me. I've read so many stories of guy leaving go-go bars alone after dropping 1000+ baht on lady drinks that I like it when they are direct. In the bar I went through my checklist to make sure she would do everything I wanted and she even agreed to try to take it in the butt (I could not get it in but at least she tried). She also agreed to go LT for 2500 + 600 bar fine (I think I could have stayed firm at 2000 and she would have given in but I was really ready to go at that point). She even agreed that LT would be until I kicked her out, even if it was past noon when I did so. This was great because another girl in her bar wanted 4000 LT and to leave at 7am, when I told her it was already 1am she said okay she can leave at 8am as though that made it a good deal for me.

In the looks department she was a 7. 5/10, I knock off half a point for hair on the legs. She also has a nice set of natural tits with just enough hang to make them fun to play with. For those of you who like to DATY, she is definitely a fan. I generally loath to do it, especially with a sex worker, but I find it relaxes most girls enough to increase the chances of easy anal penetration and with her there was no odd taste or smell. The sex itself was also good; she remained fully engaged throughout the act and even afterwards. She wanted me to bar fine her again, but my spidey sense started tingling so I tipped her (which I rarely ever do) and sent her on her way. She was great, sans the hair on legs, but I got the impression she wanted to spend the day together which can become an expensive day and something just seemed off. I have had enough bad experiences to know that I would rather trust my instincts and miss out on a good time than ignore my instincts and have a bad time / something bad happen. She did say that I could pay the bar fine and call her when I was ready but I told her I would just come by the bar if I had time.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1286600]L I. E. If they ask for lady drinks instead of to be bar fined I pretty much walk away or if I buy them a lady drink and they ask for another I walk away.[/QUOTE]They are requested by the bar to ask this. You can make your decision quickly and barfine her without buying ladydrinks (that's usually what I do) . Or if you want to sit with her for 30 minutes, you buy ladydrinks. There is no way around it. Blaming the girls makes no sense. That's what the bar tells them to do.

And the girl does not have to be forward about being barfined. Most won't, in their mind if they sit with you that means they are open to go. They will wait for you to ask.

If you don't talk about barfine and don't want to buy ladydrinks, why would a girl sit with you? She makes no money. She loses potential customers who can't call her over. She gets in trouble with the mamasan for not getting ladydrinks. And she sits there with a guy whose intentions aren't clear, who might just leave in 30 minutes and she'll have nothing to show for it. These girls aren't there to chitchat for free.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1286600]I made it to Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]Nice report. I agree that SC is not really a preferred spot of mine (I prefer massage) but I still prefer SC than NANA.

Funny, we couldn't be more different you and I, I like to take things slow, let the girl talk and have a couple drinks before I decide if a BF is to be had. I never discuss price with Bargirls, I like the more "go with the flow" approach. I pay them at departure time and for services rendered.

If a girl comes and wants to leave after ST, I give them 1200. They look stunned but with the 300 they make from the BF makes it 1500.

If the girl stay LT, and is not a clock watcher, then it's 3k.

Everyone has a system, preferences and I think it's great that we are all different

[QUOTE=Dash Riprock; 1285830]Tarawadee is still there. The base sideliner price might be higher than it was when you last went. Was it 3700 Baht the last time you visited, that's what it's at now?

Quality still decent as it's out of the way and has a pretty solid client base of business owners and players from that area.[/QUOTE]Thanks bro Dash,

If I could recall the damage I paid was at THB3400. Means it has increased. Hope the quality is improving too. Anyway thanks bro for informing.

B32

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1285831]Surawong Road has a lot of massage shops between Soi Thaniya and Silom Soi 6. Good prices and big staffs (women and men).

There are a number of shops along lower Silom, past Narathiwas Road. Check between the Pullman Hotel (old Sofitel) and the Narai Hotel. Diamond, Happy and Lisa Massage all have willing practitioners.

There are even a few new "legit" looking massage shops on Patpong 1.

I like to go to "Money Massage." It's in the little shopping complex next to the Thai Airways office on the corner of Silom and Naratiwas. Good prices and clean.

For FS, try Plaza on Patpong 2, Versailles near what Hualamphong, Ben Ten on Silom Soi 6, JC on Surawong. Most of the oilies will do FS, too, if you pick the right girl (just ask).

"Oil" massage is almost universal for HJ happy ending, but you might ask just in case. I can't help you with recommendations for FJ? You'll have to ask at the shops about this. .[/QUOTE]Thanks Bro FT,

Since I will be staying in Centrepoint silom, Will wrote it down and hunt for it with effort.

Krop krun krap.

B32

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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1286642]Signup for Free and Enjoy access to most soapies, girls, pictures, prices:

[url]http://www.thaimassagemodel.com/home/home.php[/url][/QUOTE]Just wondering how many new sign-ups they will get tonight. ISG's a big Platform. And NO, I am not affiliated to this. Hell, I don't even fancy Soapies that much

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1286574]. She told me she will give me one more chance but not another![/QUOTE]Let her chose the girl for the next time LOL

Today I was helping my girlfriend figure out how much she had to charge a guy who wants to book her for a lot of hours.

I then realized for the first time than even a basic multiplication is too hard for her to handle.

Yet she is going to make 20, 000 baths (plus tip) in one afternoon when she meets said guy this weekend.

Amazing Thailand.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1286673]Let her chose the girl for the next time LOL[/QUOTE]I like my girl. But not even a day later, I was back online, lining up more girls to meet. Most rationale people would think I'm sick or something.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1286777]I like my girl. But not even a day later, I was back online, lining up more girls to meet. Most rationale people would think I'm sick or something.[/QUOTE]You are a pussy addict just like the rest of us! The more we get the more we want!

Here's my next Online Target, funny girl but limited English. And she wants a much younger guy than me, *****. Hahaha

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1286878]Here's my next Online Target, funny girl but limited English. And she wants a much younger guy than me, *****. Hahaha[/QUOTE]That's a very pretty girl. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1286765]Again for the uninformed. Pattaya is cheaper due to abundance of ugly, old, dark girls available. Exceptions duly noted![/QUOTE]Didn't you openly admit that you've never actually been to Pattaya and any knowledge you do have is second hand from other forums?

Taking advice from you is like asking a virgin who wacks off to porn what sex is like.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1286940]Taking advice from you is like asking a virgin who wacks off to porn what sex is like.[/QUOTE]You'd have to make sure he can locate his dick first.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1286940]Didn't you openly admit that you've never actually been to Pattaya and any knowledge you do have is second hand from other forums?[/QUOTE]This is a great point. I don't post anything on Pattaya specifics since I haven't been there for years. Its much better to read first hand reports of actual experiences. Too many times we have seen someone try to be expert on something without the first hand experience and it is usually not very useful. In particular, I hate to see comments on the character of girls, from guys who do not know the girl first hand.

For those who haven't been to a place, just read and learn something from those that did go there, but take everything with a grain of salt.

I have previously looked at some other forums e. G. The one starting with W. I was amazed that despite the amount of crap in this forum, that the competition was extremely weak (no competition at all). The W forum (as the worst example) , had mostly just smart arse one liners at the time, with actual mongering experience reports very few and far between. When I asked if they shouldn't shape and write some reasonable reports, just got abuse from those with superiority complexes.

Thai forums are very weak on reporting specifics too. They might recommend some girl number, but fail to say what they really liked about the girl. It could have been just the big silicones, who knows? Maybe they are too shy to be very direct. They love to right joking type one liners too, that seem rather useless to me.

Had a quick look in Sheba last night. Business is bad and standard of girls has dropped in last 2-3 months. All the girls I know were missing. Went to Suzi Wong and conversly found a big improvement in standard of the girls since 2 months ago, despite being a rainy Tuesday. Many more customers there. Not many girls with big natural tits though (maybe 2-3 with really nice tits).3 bad silicone jobs on display. Took two girls from the lesbian show. One had just returned to the bar a few days earlier after a long break and indicated that she hadn't had any sex for 9 months. She was very very tight (partly due to lack of sex) and really keen to get a good sex session in. Her real sister works there too so its possible to take the two sisters I guess. What's amazing is she reported that her mother (real mother) worked there also up to about 7 years ago. They reckoned that maybe I should remember the mother too although I didn't recognise the name.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1286878]Here's my next Online Target, funny girl but limited English. And she wants a much younger guy than me, *****. Hahaha[/QUOTE]Yes she is stunning, and I wouldn't care if the tits were small. I would give that face a 10 score. I speak Thai and am not too young like Nic. ;)

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1286954]Yes she is stunning, and I wouldn't care if the tits were small. I would give that face a 10 score. I speak Thai and am not too young like Nic. ;)[/QUOTE]Hehehe, She did a Strip for me and I have the VID, which will share with Mr Giotto later tonight.

What happen to your DATY Friend? I am up for that challenge, Seriously

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1286944]You'd have to make sure he can locate his dick first.[/QUOTE]"scrapping his head".

Oh well, what did you understand?

I mean. I am scrapping my head about this guy and used a figurative expression since there is emoticon. LMAO!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1286957]Hehehe, She did a Strip for me and I have the VID, which will share with Mr Giotto later tonight.

What happen to your DATY Friend? I am up for that challenge, Seriously[/QUOTE]She is now aged 45 and lives in a far province Satun. I am posting her a deluxe rechargeable vibe. She was hot 20 years ago or I thought so at the time.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1287004]She is now aged 45 and lives in a far province Satun. I am posting her a deluxe rechargeable vibe. She was hot 20 years ago or I thought so at the time.[/QUOTE]That's way south. Too far for me

Why would you be so eager to lick the pussy of a 45 years old you've never met?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1286878]Here's my next Online Target, funny girl but limited English. And she wants a much younger guy than me, *****. Hahaha[/QUOTE]Looks almost exactly like a chick who dances at Cowboy 2 on Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1286720]Today I was helping my girlfriend figure out how much she had to charge a guy who wants to book her for a lot of hours.

I then realized for the first time than even a basic multiplication is too hard for her to handle.

Yet she is going to make 20, 000 baths (plus tip) in one afternoon when she meets said guy this weekend.

Amazing Thailand.[/QUOTE]You don't mind your GF having sex with another guy?

That's her job. If I minded, I guess she wouldn't be my GF.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1287046]You don't mind your GF having sex with another guy?[/QUOTE]Can you spell P I M P?

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1287034]Why would you be so eager to lick the pussy of a 45 years old you've never met?[/QUOTE]If you're not too lazy to scroll down to the beginning of that conversation, you'll get your answer

Hello Bros,

Heading back to BKK and am looking for a serviced apartment type hotel that has a balcony, rooftop pool, and is close to the BTS preferably on Sukhumvit.

My price budget is around 2200THB.

I'm thinking of the Somerset near Asoke but I'm not sure if it has a balcony (really want a balcony.)

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1287131].

I see nic call ohers racist yet he is the most racist of all-JAPPOS- what is that?[/QUOTE]Yeah,

He is French. He is of course a fucking racist. I am a KRAUT. And if I say so that makes me a racist too, right? OK then.

At least. He contributes something to the forum. You don't. Just go away.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1287130]Negrows all look alike. Exceptions noted.

You can say 60% of bargirls also look alike. You know-that issarn look![/QUOTE]True, but we westerners look totally alike for them as well. Different criteria.

[QUOTE=Jbranch23; 1287121]Hello Bros,

Heading back to BKK and am looking for a serviced apartment type hotel that has a balcony, rooftop pool, and is close to the BTS preferably on Sukhumvit.

My price budget is around 2200THB.

I'm thinking of the Somerset near Asoke but I'm not sure if it has a balcony (really want a balcony.) [/QUOTE]Try Phachara Suites. Soi 6 Sukhumvite.price depending how long you want too stay

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1287180]Yeah,

He is French. He is of course a fucking racist. I am a KRAUT. And if I say so that makes me a racist too, right? OK then.

Giotto[/QUOTE]Get it right, funny sir. Giotto is Italian, not Nazi. And you make black olive pepperoni mosquito pizzas for a living in the sticks of Cambodia. Please stop this Lodge & sauerkraut nonsense.

"Italian Renaissance painting exercised a dominant influence on subsequent European painting (see Western painting) for centuries afterwards, with artists such as Giotto di Bondone, Masaccio, Piero della Francesca, Domenico Ghirlandaio, Perugino, Michelangelo, Raphael, Botticelli, Leonardo the Vinci, and Titian."

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Italy[/url]

BTW, what's the latest prognostication for the annual flood season? Is the Ark completed yet?

[QUOTE=Jbranch23; 1287121]Hello Bros,

Heading back to BKK and am looking for a serviced apartment type hotel that has a balcony, rooftop pool, and is close to the BTS preferably on Sukhumvit.

My price budget is around 2200THB.

I'm thinking of the Somerset near Asoke but I'm not sure if it has a balcony (really want a balcony.) [/QUOTE]If you had posted this in the correct Thread, I'd help you. But since you didn't bother looking, I won't bother helping.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1287180]Yeah,

He is French. He is of course a fucking racist. I am a KRAUT. And if I say so that makes me a racist too, right? OK then.

At least. He contributes something to the forum. You don't. Just go away.

Giotto[/QUOTE]YEs, I am racist, I don't like Black people, I don't like Asians, I don't like Latinos, I hate White people and most of all, I hate 15 years old white males jerking off to the picture Gallery and posting second hand information about a city they have never been in. H444, get a life.

Mr The Kraut, Sorry had a late worknight last night, couldn't come by but prepare the sausage tonight!

The bosses at Soi Cowboy bars seem to be talking as though Nana Plaza is going to close down in a 3 months or so. Like leases are not being renewed. Has anyone got the full story? Or is it just a vicious rumour?

Oh shit. Where will all those LBs go? I hate to see ladyboys arriving in force to Soi Cowboy. Having Cock-a-two is bad enough already. I would love to see most of the Arab's Coyote bars in Cowboy disappear too. Had a quick look in Cowboy 2 last night. Could only find one really pretty girl and didn't look like a fun type of girl. Most girls there were chubby, to my taste. Some other Coyote bars do have better girls.

[quote=tony hoeprano;1287046]you don't mind your gf having sex with another guy?[/quote]when your gf tells you that she never enjoys sex with other guys, its just work, you want to take that with a grain of salt. i find that many thai working girls are able to enjoy sex on occasions. if you are fine with that, then great.

i previously had a gf from a soapy (chao praya ii). i was not supporting her fully (no monthly payment), so knew that she had to have sex with plenty of guys, and that sometimes she was going to really like the guys and enjoy too. being a play up type myself, it was very fair. i didn't mind as long as she was performing adequately for me.

my regular bargirl from last night kept wanting more sex and more daty, well beyond the call of her normal duty, and yet the very first session i ever had with her, she was scared, reticent, and a bit difficult to fuck. things changed dramtically after she started to like my style. its not an act. she gets very horny at times, especially just before her period. i just about get raped. most guys will have seen how horny girls can be at the right time of month.

the other night a bargirl had not had sex for 9 months (been away from the bar long time). she was really hot for it too. even working girls have sexual desires or needs! it a great excuse for many that its just their job. hardened hookers that never allow themselves to enjoy, do not become my regular girls. i also like very natural girls. too much acting doesn't do it for me, unless they are so subtle and skilled that cannot tell, which is rare.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1287351]The bosses at Soi Cowboy bars seem to be talking as though Nana Plaza is going to close down . I would love to see most of the Arab's Coyote bars in Cowboy disappear too. Had a quick look in Cowboy 2 last night. Could only find one really pretty girl and didn't look like a fun type of girl. Most girls there were chubby, to my taste. Some other Coyote bars do have better girls.[/QUOTE]Sorry to not have R. T. F. F. And all, but I wonder if anyone would be so kind as to point out which of the Soi Cowboy and / or Nana places are Coyote bars. (I assume none of the girls can be barfined or just some?) Frankly, I'd rather just avoid the places altogether when I visit in late June.

Since I'm on, I'd also like to solicit some advice on whether I should hook up with a gogo dancer I had from the Dollhouse two years ago. (I'd guess some readers here might even know her if she's been there so long. Scary). Back then I had a great day with her at a floating market; really sweet GF feeling. Last Autumn I had sent her $200 US to help her family after the flooding (though not directly affected, her ahem "business" apparently had suffered). I posted about this way back and one fellow ISGer mentioned that perhaps she would repay my kindness. So, that's the gist of it: Ought I look her up or no?

She is still working in the same bar, pushing 30. Now I am to assume that she's going to want the barfine, or are the dancers permitted to take days off? (I doubt she's going to give it up without a money transaction; I am curious as to whether she'll broach the money issue before the deed.) Of course, I could just forget the whole thing, avoid her bar and enjoy Soi Cowboy on my own. I'm basically spending two nights (one full day) in BKK before another six days in Pattaya, so there will be no lack of opportunity for gogos and all that.

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1287363]I posted about this way back and one fellow ISGer mentioned that perhaps she would repay my kindness. So, that's the gist of it: Ought I look her up or no?[/QUOTE]The ISGer was probably pulling your leg. Chances of your kindness being returned are slim. Forget about her unless she excites you on more than the others. Certainly best forget about your help provided. Who knows how many guys are helping her.

Only 1 in a thousand girls would really try to repay you.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1287375]The ISGer was probably pulling your leg. Chances of your kindness being returned are slim. Forget about her unless she excites you on more than the others. Certainly best forget about your help provided. Who knows how many guys are helping her.

Only 1 in a thousand girls would really try to repay you.[/QUOTE]Ain't that the truth. Couldn't resist telling this story though. Some years ago I met a gal in the Thermae whom I saw a few times. Stunning body, not so stunning face, and a few times was more than enough, not to mention the sex wasn't above average. However she was a very pleasant gal and we became friends after that, she'd often call me up to ask for my opinion on this or that. One night, I came into the Thermae and she came over to show me her new camera that she had in her handbag, and on it was a video of her with legs spread doing naughty things. I told her that this would make a great marketing tool and she looked at me rather inquiringly. I told her to go show it to the next punter that walked in, and that I guaranteed that he'd be taking her home in a flash. She said,"really?" and went towards the next guy coming through the door. I saw her point to her bag, whip out the camera, saw the stunned look on his face, and a minute later, they were headed towards the door. She turned back to flash me a huge thumbs up.

Some years later, I had just put out a book, and was walking down Sukhumvit with a box of copies in my arms. This gal passed me on the street and called my name. It was her. She told me she'd moved back to Pitsanulok and started a small shop, was in town visiting her friends for a few days. She asked what I was carrying and I showed her, and she reached into her purse, pulled out 3000 baht, and bought ten copies! Of course I signed each and every one for her!

[QUOTE=Harold444;1287229]I provide Bangkok humour at its best.If you guys want to impress a girl-a good sense of humour goes a long way. A lot farther than a nice eyelash or a long penis! Humour works well with hookers so I'm positive it works with FREE girls too. Hahahaha.[/QUOTE]And do you think wew are hookers in here and you deem necessary to entertain us?

[QUOTE=Wildhawk; 1287363]Sorry to not have R. T. F. F. And all, but I wonder if anyone would be so kind as to point out which of the Soi Cowboy and / or Nana places are Coyote bars. (I assume none of the girls can be barfined or just some?) Frankly, I'd rather just avoid the places altogether when I visit in late June.

Since I'm on, I'd also like to solicit some advice on whether I should hook up with a gogo dancer I had from the Dollhouse two years ago. (I'd guess some readers here might even know her if she's been there so long. Scary). Back then I had a great day with her at a floating market; really sweet GF feeling. Last Autumn I had sent her $200 US to help her family after the flooding (though not directly affected, her ahem "business" apparently had suffered). I posted about this way back and one fellow ISGer mentioned that perhaps she would repay my kindness. So, that's the gist of it: Ought I look her up or no?

She is still working in the same bar, pushing 30. Now I am to assume that she's going to want the barfine, or are the dancers permitted to take days off? (I doubt she's going to give it up without a money transaction; I am curious as to whether she'll broach the money issue before the deed.) Of course, I could just forget the whole thing, avoid her bar and enjoy Soi Cowboy on my own. I'm basically spending two nights (one full day) in BKK before another six days in Pattaya, so there will be no lack of opportunity for gogos and all that.[/QUOTE]I'd say she certainly won't be repaying you a cash dividend, but the fact that you must be seen as one jai dee guy for sending her money means she will most likely give you a rocking good night. You could try meeting her halfway, call her and tell her straight up that you don't like paying barfines but would be happy to see her outside of work. She might want to keep you as a potential benefactor for the sure floods that will hit us this year, so maybe she drops the bar fine or else just comes after she finishes.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1287259]Get it right, funny sir. Giotto is Italian, not Nazi.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Italy[/url]

BTW, what's the latest prognostication for the annual flood season? Is the Ark completed yet?[/QUOTE]Wow. Do we have an history and art expert in here?

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1287363]Sorry to not have R. T. F. F.[/QUOTE]You put a lot of questions and you gave yourself a lot of answers too. Use common sense and you will realize it is better to move on to the next girl. But do not ocme back here in 6 months asking how to hook up with htat girl too. We pay girls to leave in the morning, and they should also get our of our brain too.

Wildhawk, I'm more optimistic than the others. If you spent a good time with her last time, she likes you and you like her, so why not go and see her again?

You might have to pay the barfine because that's for the bar. I wouldn't mention money and just see in the morning if she wants it or not.

From my experience it's not unlikely that she will say no as a thank you for helping her before. The odds are much better than 1:1000. If not, just pay her, you will have had a nice night with her anyway, so what's the big deal?

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1287351]The bosses at Soi Cowboy bars seem to be talking as though Nana Plaza is going to close down in a 3 months or so. Like leases are not being renewed. Has anyone got the full story? Or is it just a vicious rumour?[/QUOTE]The rumors in short:

- land was sold.

- wholesale lease contractor changed.

- retail leases to be prolonged in July are sharply rising, causing serious headaches for some bars / groups

Let's wait for the outcome.


Giotto

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1287271]YEs, I am racist, I don't like Black people, I don't like Asians, I don't like Latinos, I hate White people and most of all, I hate 15 years old white males jerking off to the picture Gallery and posting second hand information about a city they have never been in. H444, get a life.

Mr The Kraut, Sorry had a late worknight last night, couldn't come by but prepare the sausage tonight![/QUOTE]Equal opportunity bigot! I like it! Hate everybody! Me too! .

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1287405]Wildhawk, I'm more optimistic than the others. If you spent a good time with her last time, she likes you and you like her, so why not go and see her again?

You might have to pay the barfine because that's for the bar. I wouldn't mention money and just see in the morning if she wants it or not.

From my experience it's not unlikely that she will say no as a thank you for helping her before. The odds are much better than 1:1000. If not, just pay her, you will have had a nice night with her anyway, so what's the big deal?[/QUOTE]This is so unbelievably cheap.

She is a prostitute and she makes her living by sleeping with men for money. Pay her.

No matter how much she likes you, given the choice between being paid or not I can assure you she would take the money.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1287405]Wildhawk, I'm more optimistic than the others. If you spent a good time with her last time, she likes you and you like her, so why not go and see her again?

You might have to pay the barfine because that's for the bar. I wouldn't mention money and just see in the morning if she wants it or not.

From my experience it's not unlikely that she will say no as a thank you for helping her before. The odds are much better than 1:1000. If not, just pay her, you will have had a nice night with her anyway, so what's the big deal?[/QUOTE]As a pessimist I may have exaggerated slightly. Chances are reasonable to get some compensation but to get it all back, very slim.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1287259]Get it right, funny sir. Giotto is Italian, not Nazi.[/QUOTE]He's a Schnitzel Austrian is what he is! I think Giotto is not his real name, his name is Kurt Wagner.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1287425]He's a Schnitzel Austrian is what he is! I think Giotto is not his real name, his name is Kurt Wagner.[/QUOTE]He might be Swiss. Wilhelm Tell?


Giotto

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1286607]They are requested by the bar to ask this. You can make your decision quickly and barfine her without buying ladydrinks (that's usually what I do). Or if you want to sit with her for 30 minutes, you buy ladydrinks. There is no way around it. Blaming the girls makes no sense. That's what the bar tells them to do.

And the girl does not have to be forward about being barfined. Most won't, in their mind if they sit with you that means they are open to go. They will wait for you to ask.

If you don't talk about barfine and don't want to buy ladydrinks, why would a girl sit with you? She makes no money. She loses potential customers who can't call her over. She gets in trouble with the mamasan for not getting ladydrinks. And she sits there with a guy whose intentions aren't clear, who might just leave in 30 minutes and she'll have nothing to show for it. These girls aren't there to chitchat for free.[/QUOTE]I'm not expecting her to sit with me for my charm and with, but IMO there is a huge difference between the girl who wants you to keep the tequilla shots flowing and the one who orders something like whiskey / coke and sips it while she sits / talks with you. I know that it is prostitution and all about money but I hate being treated like an outright ATM. Be it a gogo or hostess bar, I've never had a girl sit with me without buying at least one drink. My problem is when they start asking for drinks for their friends or they knock the drink you buy back like it's water and they've been lost in the Sahara for days. At the risk of sounding like a cheap charlie I think that 1-2 drinks for me + 1-2 lady drinks + bar fine + what the girl gets is more than enough money for everyone.

I do appreciate your point about the forwardness. You are absolutely right, I should be more up front about what I want and not wait on the chick to do it. I guess I just have a special appreciation for women coming on to me.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1287422]This is so unbelievably cheap. She is a prostitute and she makes her living by sleeping with men for money. Pay her. No matter how much she likes you, given the choice between being paid or not I can assure you she would take the money.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree as she does that for money and for a living. Indeed the guy sent her a good amount of money but pretty much that money is gone. Since there are not paid holidays there, every day she has to put a stack of money in her pursue as that represents her earning. Bar fine has not much to do with earnings. She might discount part of the fee vs. Liking and good time, but would not be fair to ask for her Time with no compensation. It is like asking a taxi driver to drive you around for free in his working time. Might even be your brother but he can't have no earnings.

I had extra time to kill a couple of nights ago and went to Lookie Lookie because a guy I met in Udon recommended it. It was late and on a weeknight when I went, but there were less than 6 girls working and only 2 other customers over the hour I was there.

I did strike up a conversation with and ultimately decided to go home with a woman from Surin. To me she was absolutely beautiful and I enjoyed her company which is very important to me. After about 30 minutes of conversation (yes I bought her a drink and she slowly sipped it) I nutsacked up and asked about the bar fine. Much to my surprise she said it was 1500 before midnight and 1200 after. To put it mildly I was pretty taken aback so I had her repeat the numbers in Thai to make sure there was no confusion. She told me that I could wait for her to get off work, but since I had to leave for the airport around 8 the next morning I really wanted to get things going A. S. A. P.

At the risk of sounding cheap, those rates were way too high for me. She herself admitted that the barfine was high but told me that she would receive 500 from the barfine. As it was close to midnight. 700 bf seemed reasonable because the previous night at Soi Cowboy the range I found was 600-800, I asked if she would go LT for 1500 since she was going to get 500 from the bf. She agreed so I went to the cashier to verify the bf.

The cashier verified that the bf would be 1200 and when I told her it was expensive she said that it was because of the classiness of the ladies, I'm paying for a service not for class but whatever. The cashier also told me all the bars in that area have a similar bf.

Ae turned out to be a star performer in the bedroom and was personable the night of and in the morning before she left (she even asked for permission to leave instead of just saying that she was leaving).

I did notice a lot of signs in Japanese and Korean in the area so maybe the bars cater to those guys and expect higher prices? I've read through a lot of Bangkok posts here but don't recall seeing a bar fine that high, is this common?

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1287443]I'm not expecting her to sit with me for my charm and with, but IMO there is a huge difference between the girl who wants you to keep the tequilla shots flowing and the one who orders something like whiskey / coke and sips it while she sits / talks with you.[/QUOTE]You may not be her type at all and she wants to knock back a few Tequilas in order to be drunk enough to go to your room. A lot of guys here think they are Casanovas and that the girls will love them and go with the first punter that shows his face. Not quite.

Some girls cope by drinking, some do drugs. They need that to keep fucking the lot of us. We are not a "Grade A" bunch per se.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1287450]asked about the bar fine. Much to my surprise she said it was 1500 before midnight and 1200 after. To put it mildly I was pretty taken aback so I had her repeat the numbers in Thai to make sure there was no confusion. She told me that I could wait for her to get off work, but since I had to leave for the airport around 8 the next morning I really wanted to get things going A. S. A. P.[/QUOTE]BF are quite expensive at soi 33 Bars. Ladies put on a dress and all of a sudden, they are "better". It's a matter of perspective.

Cheapos go to the Nana Parking, Gullivers, BG7.

Regulars go to Nana and Cowboy.

Rich Expats go to 33.

Idiots go to Patpong

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1287446]I tend to agree as she does that for money and for a living.[/QUOTE]I am singling no one out in particular, just the most recent poster on my solicitation of advice. Prolly a mistake to ask such a question here.

As if I don't realize she's a hooker. Sheesh. The issue was not about my trying to recoup a donation (a one-off, sheer philanthropy. Fuck, I'd rather give money to a WG than to the United Way so its C. E. O. Can live like a cunting king; yet I am not an idiot sponsor).

I am very poor at communicating. So, let's try again: Has anyone been in this situation (having given money "altruistically", ahem) and gotten better sexual performance / attention afterward, whether a paying situation or not? I certainly expect to be laying out cash, one way or the other, if I see this girl. And two years ago she was fantastic. In bed and beyond. Rephrased: What is the likelihood of the girl having a brain bigger than a squirrel's, and ya think she might remember the generosity?

Secondly, some people take postings here as a personal affront. If you are so offended, shit, don't answer! Easy. Just imagine, asking questions! And since I'm returning the snarkiness, I'll probably not be getting an answer on the coyote bars and thus will have to do a thorough investigation of Soi Cowboy on my own. A terrible chore it will be!

Anyhow, peace, love and understanding. Cheers,

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1287454](snip)So, let's try again: Has anyone been in this situation (having given money "altruistically", ahem) and gotten better sexual performance / attention afterward, whether a paying situation or not? I certainly expect to be laying out cash, one way or the other, if I see this girl. And two years ago she was fantastic. In bed and beyond. Rephrased: What is the likelihood of the girl having a brain bigger than a squirrel's, and ya think she might remember the generosity? (snip)[/QUOTE]I remember when you asked about the "donation."

I've gone back to bars, reconnected with old BFs, and had excellent repeat performances.

In your case, I think she will remember you. A lot of Thai women have an uncanny ability for this.

If she was good the first time she'll probably be good again. If you want to see her again, go to her bar and see if she's there. If so, have the mamasan call her over, buy her a drink, and see if she remembers you. If she does, then she'll be sweet to you.

If not, either remind her, or not, and then decide whether you want to move on. If she does remember you, as you wrote, I wouldn't expect a "freebie." But, if you treat her right, she will probably do the same for you, as she did the first time.

Don't fret about the cacklers on here. A lot of them get off on peckering their keyboards rather than actual mongering.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1287453]BF are quite expensive at soi 33 Bars. Ladies put on a dress and all of a sudden, they are "better". It's a matter of perspective.

Cheapos go to the Nana Parking, Gullivers, BG7.

Regulars go to Nana and Cowboy.

Rich Expats go to 33.

Idiots go to Patpong[/QUOTE]Froggies go to soi 24. LOL

I remember Frenchy saying he paid a girl tens of thousands to help during the flood, and she wanted to pay him everything back. That was not a pro I think. But in my experience Thais girls (even pros) are very decent if you have connected and helped them. They want to do the right thing.

Anyway unless you need the money I wouldn't ask for it back or try to get a freebie. But just go see her and see what happens, you may be surprised.

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1287454]Has anyone been in this situation (having given money "altruistically", ahem) and gotten better sexual performance / attention afterward, whether a paying situation or not? I certainly expect to be laying out cash, one way or the other, if I see this girl. And two years ago she was fantastic. In bed and beyond. Rephrased: What is the likelihood … she might remember the generosity?[/QUOTE]It depends on the girl. I guarantee you she remembers your cash gift. How she values that gift in her own mind is another matter. There is only one way to find out; see her again. If you had that good a time with her in the first place, the chances are you will have an even better time with her when you see her again. Reunion sex is great! I have two Go Go girls that I have been seeing since 2010. I have never sent them money, but every time I see them again, after a 10 month absence; the sex is great. Since our last reunion in March, I have been keeping in contact with one of the girls through YM and I look forward to seeing her again in October.

Just walk into her bar unannounced and she how she reacts to you. The odds are much better than 50:50 that she will be very happy to see you and she will show you a real good time. Do not mention the gift. Ask how her family is. Expect to pay her for her services especially if you bar fine her during her working hours. She is a working girl. You were very kind to send her the cash. I am sure it helped her out. If she is a good girl, she will show you just how appreciative she is in and out of bed. If you really like her after your reunion, make dates to see her before or after her shift at the bar. Always give her a tip. Having a bargirl GF or favorite is a good thing as long as you can keep your head straight, not get serious, and not fall in love or become her sponser.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking; 1287450].

The cashier verified that the bf would be 1200 and when I told her it was expensive she said that it was because of the classiness of the ladies, I'm paying for a service not for class but whatever. The cashier also told me all the bars in that area have a similar bf.[/QUOTE]That indeed seems to be the ongoing rate in soi 33. A bit too much according to my opinion and I am not a cheap Charlie. No wonder why the bars (and the Soi) get a bit passed over by the regulars and don't sell too many drinks.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1287481]It depends on the girl. .as long as you can keep your head straight, not get serious, and not fall in love or become her sponser.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the words, guys, much more constructive information than probably deserved after me gittin' all bristly and all. I am inclined to give it a try and will report back. Of course, whether that information is constructive. Depends on the girl, of course. And of course Wildhawk knows the score and will not fall for a WG or become a "sponsor." And talk about stoopid sex, did anyone see that report on that fucking Bo Xilai, ex-Chongching boss deadmeat asswipe in China, paying Zhang Ziyi, the marginally untalented Chinese actress, a million pounds per fuck. What a cyunt. Obviously didn't R. T. F. F. On pricing.
(Now, Gong Li, in her prime ... I'd a saved up my nickels for a piece of that!)

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1287422]This is so unbelievably cheap.

She is a prostitute and she makes her living by sleeping with men for money. Pay her.

No matter how much she likes you, given the choice between being paid or not I can assure you she would take the money.[/QUOTE]By that same logic if my girlfriend is a maid and she cleans my house then I should pay her. But what about the girlfriend who isn't a maid that cleans my house. Should I pay her as well? Just because she is a hooker by trade doesn't mean that she is not entitled to have an unpaid relationship with someone. Membership Has Its Privileges.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGflKvCwRLo[/url]

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1287405]Wildhawk, I'm more optimistic than the others. If you spent a good time with her last time, she likes you and you like her, so why not go and see her again?

You might have to pay the barfine because that's for the bar. I wouldn't mention money and just see in the morning if she wants it or not.

From my experience it's not unlikely that she will say no as a thank you for helping her before. The odds are much better than 1:1000. If not, just pay her, you will have had a nice night with her anyway, so what's the big deal?[/QUOTE]Ultimately women are attracted by money or similar.

Be it cash in the hand, be it you paying her nightclub entry and thousands of baht for drinks (for those idiots who say they never "pay" for sex) , be it you buying her an expensive dinner and drinks, be it diamonds, be it a new house, a new car, a buffalo or whatever. These girls fuck for money.

If she likes you she might after a few times tell you to pay her less money per fuck. But she will be expecting cash in the hand at bye bye time.

Some girls will not ask for money each morning if they know they will be with you for a few days. But again, at bye bye time they expect however many days cash in hand.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1287130]Negrows all look alike. Exceptions noted.

You can say 60% of bargirls also look alike. You know-that issarn look![/QUOTE]Not really. I've been out here over 10 years and I can tell these girls apart pretty easily by now. But the 2 girls I mentioned look very similar. I actually think it may be her in both cases.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1287501]By that same logic if my girlfriend is a maid and she cleans my house then I should pay her. But what about the girlfriend who isn't a maid that cleans my house. Should I pay her as well? Just because she is a hooker by trade doesn't mean that she is not entitled to have an unpaid relationship with someone. Membership Has Its Privileges.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGflKvCwRLo[/url][/QUOTE]What? Your analogy is silly. Didn't make sense first time and its so silly I can't be bothered reading it a second time.

The point is Chill Out's underhanded approach is not on. She probably wouldn't ask for payment under the circumstances but she sure would appreciate it.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1287501]By that same logic if my girlfriend is a maid and she cleans my house then I should pay her.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGflKvCwRLo[/url][/QUOTE]If your maid GF is performing maid duties at your home during her usual working hours, ie not going somewhere to work and earn money, I think it'd be appropraite she gets paid. If you GF, beinga go-go girl or an MP girl or a FL usually not working in the morning and having nice and pleasant sexual activities with you at that time. You should not pay. But if you take her out for a few nights, paying the bar fine, she might expect a compensation. She might either do it for free as part of the GF relationship (taht also means she might be earning sufficiently ok)

Of course this is all down to clinic math.

Just a side note. It was damned decent of the original poster to help the girl out during the floods. That is a nice touch regardless of anything else.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1287527]Just a side note. It was damned decent of the original poster to help the girl out during the floods. That is a nice touch regardless of anything else.[/QUOTE]Agreed! And you misunderstood me, I'm not suggesting anything underhanded. I disagree that girls want payments all the time. Sometimes they just want to give you something nice, or have fun, and that's more important to them than 2,000 baths. It depends of her financial situation. A broke girl needs to hustle, a girl who does well also wants to have sanook and feel good and dropping her fees in the right situation is not impossible.

As you know, it's not unheard off for a pro to go for free with an absolute stranger in Spicy at 5 AM. In fact it's not unheard off for pros to PAY guys money to fuck them. Ever been in a "boy bar"? I have quite a few times. Most of the clients are female hookers, buying guys to talk to them and fuck them, for money. Why? Because sometimes feeling good is more important than money.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1287546]As you know, it's not unheard off for a pro to go for free with an absolute stranger in Spicy at 5 AM. In fact it's not unheard off for pros to PAY guys money to fuck them. Ever been in a "boy bar"? I have quite a few times. Most of the clients are female hookers, buying guys to talk to them and fuck them, for money. Why? Because sometimes feeling good is more important than money.[/QUOTE]Taht is another side of the story, of course. The girls pay money to fuck by using what earned by cashing it from other fucks. But they do in their free time. I think this is the point: how you spend your free time (fun and spending) and how you spend your working (earning) :)

But hookers don't think like that. They will leave the bar and go for free, for the right guy. And they will also cancel their dinner with friends and go to a paid gig, if the money is right. It's not a nine to five job. It's about how they feel in the moment.

[Secondly, some people take postings here as a personal affront. If you are so offended, shit, don't answer! Easy. Just imagine, asking questions! And since I'm returning the snarkiness, I'll probably not be getting an answer on the coyote bars and thus will have to do a thorough investigation of Soi Cowboy on my own. A terrible chore it will be!

Anyhow, peace, love and understanding. Cheers, [/QUOTE]Well as for the coyotes I have no experience about them in SC or NP. But I did try to hook up with one simular dancer in MIXX CLUB (not far from Intercontinental). The problem is they make quite a lot of money from their dancing, and from getting you to drink expensive drinks (yes the usual stuff) and they are not expected to go with anyone. From their boss point of view atleast not until after closing time (they have to dance all night until the venue closes) then I guess he does not give a shit what they do. But I managed to get her to meet me on her day off but I had to work quite hard for it. Somethings are worth put up a little fight for.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1287556]But hookers don't think like that. They will leave the bar and go for free, for the right guy. And they will also cancel their dinner with friends and go to a paid gig, if the money is right. It's not a nine to five job. It's about how they feel in the moment.[/QUOTE]That is also a reasonable POV. I agree, it is not nine to five (maybe more five pm to nine am, LOL)

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1287463]I remember Frenchy saying he paid a girl tens of thousands to help during the flood, and she wanted to pay him everything back. That was not a pro I think. But in my experience Thais girls (even pros) are very decent if you have connected and helped them. They want to do the right thing.

Anyway unless you need the money I wouldn't ask for it back or try to get a freebie. But just go see her and see what happens, you may be surprised.[/QUOTE]TRUE. I was dating this non-pro, she has no Family and was very affected during the floods. She had to vacate her appartment for 2 months and her company did not do anything to help.

She called me in tears, not knowing what to do. I booked a hotel and paid 2 months. Cost me several Thousands as it was a good hotel.

I gave her the money out of kindness and never expected the money back. She has tried Several times to give it back (bit by bit) but I always refuse.

I know she is very grateful.

When I arrived in Thailand was during the Tsunami, and many Thais opened their houses / fridges / wallets to help-out people. It's not just about the money, it was just the right thing to do.

[QUOTE]Looking for a serviced apartment type hotel that has a balcony, rooftop pool, and is close to the BTS preferably on Sukhumvit. My price budget is around 2200THB.[/QUOTE]Admiral Premier, near Soi Cowboy.

Phachara Suites, near Nana.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1287556]But hookers don't think like that. They will leave the bar and go for free, for the right guy. And they will also cancel their dinner with friends and go to a paid gig, if the money is right. It's not a nine to five job. It's about how they feel in the moment.[/QUOTE]Yes, I believe Justin Bieber could get a freebie. Maybe even an under 30 guy from what's left at 5 AM. Or if a TG is drunk or high enough, or thinks the farang is, for easy pickings. Or maybe she'd be happy with merely an air conditioned room, or a free meal or two, or some drinks. Then there's always the tactic of the long play, gold diggers, etc. Or you might think it's a freebie and incur her wrath when she finds no dough in her purse.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1287462]Froggies go to soi 24. LOL[/QUOTE]And who goes to Soi 22 and Soi 23 Massage? Soi 23 girls are really desperate for customers right now. Many girls but no business. I don't see anything interesting there at all.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking; 1287450]The cashier verified that the bf would be 1200 and when I told her it was expensive she said that it was because of the classiness of the ladies, I'm paying for a service not for class but whatever. The cashier also told me all the bars in that area have a similar bf.

Ae turned out to be a star performer in the bedroom and was personable the night of and in the morning before she left (she even asked for permission to leave instead of just saying that she was leaving).[/QUOTE]In general I find that although Soi 33 girls cost more for bar fine, girls that dance nude in cowboy are better in bed. Lower class but better fucks. There will always be exceptions on Soi 33 of course. Guys maybe looking for potential girlfriend / wife on Soi 33. So often the best Soi 33 girls have regular customer a fair portion of the time.

Dear All,

Have stay in BKK for 4 nights. Stay in Davis Hotel, Nice room and clean but a bit inconvenine as compare to MG in Soi 2.

Visit some bar in Soi Cowboys, pick girls from sharks and Bacara.

I have a bad time in Bacara not with the girl but with the waitresses, they seems to be too pushy for customers to take more drinks. Yes, they are normally with a lots of customers but their being so pushy for customers to drink more are the most down side. Girls are OK.

Also visit Susue wong. But the talent is not so good although totally nude.

In nep, went to the usual Raibows 4, pick a girl there also and have try angelwitch but not able to find any talent I like.

In the Massage portion: I have visited Natree, take girls sit outside the fish bowls charge 2600 (basic one) but they also have 4000 or even 6000 too.

Well in 4 nights of stay, total BF is 3 girls and 2 visit for massage girl (natree and Mango massage)

cheers,


MD

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1287720]And who goes to Soi 22 and Soi 23 Massage? Soi 23 girls are really desperate for customers right now. Many girls but no business. I don't see anything interesting there at all.[/QUOTE]Soi 22 massage is underestimated. There are a lot of small shops there that have good providers (For me anyway). Just regular Foot massage girls that go the extra mile if they like you. I have had good success in many shops there.

I'm not talking about HANA or LAVENDER, I'm talking about the smaller shops passed the IQP Hotel.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1287785]Soi 22 massage is underestimated. There are a lot of small shops there that have good providers (For me anyway). Just regular Foot massage girls that go the extra mile if they like you. I have had good success in many shops there.

I'm not talking about HANA or LAVENDER, I'm talking about the smaller shops passed the IQP Hotel.[/QUOTE]What time do they start accepting customer? I'm looking for a late morning early afternoon quicky so I can recharge my batteries to 100% capacity at night, so to speak.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1287805]What time do they start accepting customer? I'm looking for a late morning early afternoon quicky so I can recharge my batteries to 100% capacity at night, so to speak.[/QUOTE]Call HANA and book Rin's Balls Massage. She'll have you not only Shoot a load that you would not even suspect you could shoot, but also you will have a HARD Hard-on for the next 2 days. Recommended.

Hi All,

A friend of mine told me that NEP is closing down this year for redevelopment.

Any ideas if this is true or not?

Cheers,

BB

[quote=nicfrenchy;1287816]call hana and book rin's balls massage. she'll have you not only shoot a load that you would not even suspect you could shoot, but also you will have a hard hard-on for the next 2 days. recommended.[/quote]highly. i keep her on the speed dial.

[QUOTE=Macho Dik; 1287752]Dear All,

Have stay in BKK for 4 nights. Stay in Davis Hotel, Nice room and clean but a bit inconvenine as compare to MG in Soi 2.[/QUOTE]There's an MG in Soi 2? Where? I thought the MG Mansion was in Soi 1?

Davis is a Great Hotel, soi 24 and a few mn free tuk tuk away from Mango, Pink, Sakura, Orient, EZ, TL2

Guys,

I am assuming everyone knows that Monday is a Public Holiday?

In Thailand it can Lead to 2 things:

- No Alcohol for sale on that Day.

- Bars and Sex Places CLOSED on that Day.

Stock up the beers in the Fridge on the weekend and order your pussy Online.

there are quite a few bj bars now in bkk:

[b]sukhumvit[/b]

[b]dr bj salon bangkok[/b]

location: sukhumvit soi 7/1.

prices: 700, 1.700 (nurse) .1, 000-2, 500 (consultant)

[url]http://bjbarbangkok.com/[/url]

[b][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s bangkok[/b]

location: sukhumvit soi 8.

price: 700 baht.

[url]http://www.lolitasbangkok.com/[/url]

[b]lollipop bangkok[/b]

location: sukhumvit soi 10.

price: 700 baht.

[b]patpong[/b]

[b]rose bar bangkok[/b]

location: patpong soi 1.

price: 700 baht.

[b]kangaroo club bangkok[/b]

location: patpong soi 1.

price: 800 baht.

[b]mikes place bangkok[/b]

location: patpong soi 2.

prices: 800 baht. 1,500 baht.

[url]http://www.mikesplacebangkok.com/[/url]

[b]kob's place bangkok[/b]

location: patpong soi 2 (above star of light and pink panther)

price: negotiable.

and i saved the best for last:

[b]star of light bangkok[/b]

location: patpong soi 2.

price: 700 baht

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1287867]There's an MG in Soi 2? Where? I thought the MG Mansion was in Soi 1? Davis is a Great Hotel, soi 24 and a few mn free tuk tuk away from Mango, Pink, Sakura, Orient, EZ, TL2[/QUOTE]Majestic Grande is in Soi 2, past JW Marriott, you exit the hotel and you have Annie's just crossing the Soi, on your right. Stay there, book a girl at Annie's for outcall and you save on the taxi! Needless to say that Soi 4 is just past the parking lot (not the famous Nana Parking lot) where there are a few bars, the Rajiv hotel on your right (where reports mention CIS on offer).

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1287520]What? Your analogy is silly. Didn't make sense first time and its so silly I can't be bothered reading it a second time.

The point is Chill Out's underhanded approach is not on. She probably wouldn't ask for payment under the circumstances but she sure would appreciate it.[/QUOTE]His analogy is not silly, it just ignores the fact that maids and hookers are not the same thing. You hope but don't expect your girlfriend to cook or clean, especially if she does not live with you; however, you do expect your girlfriend to have sex with you. That said, if your girlfriend is a maid and cleans for you or an accountant and does your taxes you should do something special for them (in a true relationship something special is rarely a fistful of cash because she makes her own). Rather or not to pay for someone's companionship is all a matter of expectations. If a woman expects to be treated like a girlfriend then you don't pay for her time, you do nice things for her. If a woman wants to be treated like a prostitute you fuck her, period. If she chooses the prostitute route then spend your day alone until you are ready to fuck. I've found that many SE Asian women who like you will let you do nice things for them but will never take your money no matter what their job is. That said, if the first time you meet a woman you pay for sex how do you think she will view you? There is a reason these women go to night clubs and boy bars to get fucked instead of calling the guys who regularly see them.

You don't really pay for time, you pay for a service. If you consider her spending the day a service, then you meust pay. IMO this is only acceptable when she does something, for example takes you on a tour of a city in her car. However, it is stupid to essentially pay twice (I've heard of men giving 6000+ baht in addition to food and other things to women who spend the day / night with them).

At the risk of going off on a bit of a rant. One of the reasons for the greed and the attitude that some girls have is the fact that too many men blur the lines between a girlfriend and a hooker. Let's be clear, that bar girl you pay for sex is not your girlfriend so you don't need to treat her like one. That means no fancy dinners and no taking her out on extravagant dates. It also means that men should cut out the sponsorship bs and avoid sending money no matter what circumstances they claim.

Although my experience is limited compared to many members, I have often been amazed at the expectations that some of these girls have. There have been many cases where a girl has, after I have given or committed to giving her more than most Thais make in a week, told me she was hungry in hopes that I would buy her food and t when I make moves to keep from buying the food I get the song and dance about how other customers take them out and give them gifts. What's more amazing are the stories women tell me about men who pay often 10s of 1000s of baht / month to have them on call. What's most amazing is that most of these men walk around thinking they are paying a premium for exclusivity despite the fact that the girl has several men.

I met a bar girl in Cambodia who went to a beach for a week with a customer. This guy not only took her, but her daughter as well. When I asked how much he paid I was shocked. Women at her bar go LT for 35-50USD and she was charging him 100 / day. This was on top of him paying for an extra room and everything else on the trip. When I asked if she liked him her response was that he is a nice man. When I asked why she did not give him a discount she said why should she. He treated a prostitute like a girlfriend and was taken advantage of.

I met a retired man who lives several months of the year in the Philippines but ventures to other parts of SE Asia. He told me that if he wants female companionship outside of the bedroom or over a longer period of time he finds a girl who will spend the time with him in exchange for gifts and not cash payments. Gifts means that he pays for food, drinks, activities, sometimes pays a months rent and generally takes them shopping on his last day. He said that he also gives them their own time during the day and will sometimes give them a small amount of cash for the day. He told me that he gets better results doing this because when he does they treat him like a boyfriend and on the overall he saves money compared to the alternative. He also confided that in the past he would bar fine a chick and pay her per day, but the results were often less than desirable. Essentially when he tried to treat hookers like girlfriends they became more demanding with him and generally showed very little appreciation, after all he's an ATM in that situation and not someone they do or have to like.

[quote=friar tuck; 1230315]howdy.

i have a regular thai gf, working in an office. she is a sweet gal. 28, very nice body and quite pretty. we have great sex, i feel no need to stray. however, she is very reluctant to provide oral to completion. she gives it a token effort each time, the level of service never improving. we have talked about it, she just does not like it. so, every now and then i feel the need for a decent bj.

last week i went to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s around noon. reasonable line up, all seemed keen to clean my wizzer. picked a lady called som, she had the nicest body and a gorgeous mouth. straight upstairs, no other customers. after a clean, she was down to business, very slow deep strokes, lovely! i began playing with her breasts, she stood up and removed all but her panties, i pulled those down for her. what a lovely trimmed fanny. gave the clit a few tweaks and she turned around and began to, i thought, lower herself onto me bb. whoa i thought, but no, she just slid her fanny up and down my wizzer. felt pretty damn good and her arse looked beautiful. minute or two went by and she said "you want to fuck". no thanks sweetie, just the blowy. back to the real business, didn't take too long before i blew my load. she slowed it right down after i came, concentrating on the underside of the head, wow, top work. made sure she got every drop and then discreetly emptied her mouth into a tissue. damn, that was good.

downstairs. 700 to the bar and tipped her 500. told her i would be back for round two after lunch.

back to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s after lunch at bully's.

som was not there. some dirty thief had taken her out to his room!

looked at the girls again, picked a midget called vew. tiny girl but nicely proportioned. upstairs, clean and commence.

oh dear. she was, well her mouth was, making a very odd noise. i just could not stop listening to this noise, like a dripping tap when you are trying to sleep. damn.

stood her up and asked her to remove her clothes, naked in a flash! spent sometime playing with her, she was up for anything. what you want she said? she climbed up onto the couch onto her hands and knees and backed in towards me. now, i hadn't even considered fs until that point, i swear her fanny was winking at me. how much i asked for fs, seeing my gf's face in my minds eye? 1100 pay downstairs she says. hmmnn. that sounded very reasonable. ok i said, she capped me and was back on her knees. i am not sure whether she had the perfect fanny, or, the angle of attach was spot on, but i blew into that rubber in 2 minutes flat! wtf? she laughed when i commented on that.

downstairs. 1100 to the bar. 400 to her. what a good day so far!

next day i was off to sol. around noon again. not sure if i picked a bad time or a bad day, but, there was nothing there i could get hard over. 5 guys on the stools and couch, all drinking and not looking for action i would say. very disappointed, off i went.

decided to go to lollipop 1.

around 8 girls, heavily made up with the whitener. picked a young tall girl, sorry but i can't recall her name.

i was the shops 1st customer for the day. after swallowing a litre of listerine, she got down to business. no wash? didn't allow clothing removal but allowed touching through clothing. good performance and unusually, swallowed my load.

paid my bill, they asked for 800? said it should be 7, ok. 300 to the girl.

didn't rate lollipop, not sure why, just don't like the vibe.

2 days later, my gf had to overnight at her parents place. long story, never mind.

decided on my maiden trip to dr bj's.

was ushered in and show the girls up on the mezzanine floor. nurses and consultants. couldn't see the difference.

one of the nurses was quite fat but had a great smile. i hummed and harred, but my eye kept returning to her. am i losing my mind i thought? she is huge! bugger it, chose her.

once again, no washing?

she was down to business, quite proficient and happy in her work. i started stroking her ample neck, so she stopped and removed all her clothes. not quite so bad in the buff, in fact, her breasts were lovely! began working on those and fingering her. very wet very quickly and started to moan loudly. heard a lady from another room laugh and ask her to keep the noise down. she pushed me back in the reclining chair and sort of fell on me! luckily i am not a small guy! unfortunately she had impaled herself on me and was humping like crazy. i said stop, no condom, stop! she said no stop, she hadn't cum in a long time and i had a nice cock. are you kidding me! now i am serious in saying she had me pinned on that chair, and damn, that fanny was gloriously tight and wet. i thought, let her go for a few minutes and then force her off with some brazilian jujitsu move i was trying to think up. suddenly she starts bellowing and grinding her groin into me, then collapses onto me further, crushing the life out of me. she starts kissing me every where, this lady is seriously grateful. my wizzer is still standing, is it bent i am thinking, as she finishes me off with a very good blowy.

she cleans me up and still wants to kiss me all over, she must be considering round 2, so i stand up and begin to dress. gives me her ph number and address!

downstairs, think it was 1700? not sure actually what i paid come to think of it. she refuses a tip, saying i made her sooo happy. a lot of laughing and whistling from the other ladies. off i go.

this is a great town, you never know what you will find or what you will do. never intended to do what i did, just hope that fatty was not a carrier.

guess it is check up time. oh dear!

ciao.[/quote]sounded like a good ride you had there. lol, there's nothing like a good bj to start the day right. hope your check up turns out good though!

[QUOTE=Joe Looking; 1287924]His analogy is not silly, it just ignores the fact that maids and hookers are not the same thing. You hope but don't expect your girlfriend to cook or clean, especially if she does not live with you; however, you do expect your girlfriend to have sex with you. That said, if your girlfriend is a maid and cleans for you or an accountant and does your taxes you should do something special for them (in a true relationship something special is rarely a fistful of cash because she makes her own). Rather or not to pay for someone's companionship is all a matter of expectations. If a woman expects to be treated like a girlfriend then you don't pay for her time, you do nice things for her. If a woman wants to be treated like a prostitute you fuck her, period. If she chooses the prostitute route then spend your day alone until you are ready to fuck. I've found that many SE Asian women who like you will let you do nice things for them but will never take your money no matter what their job is. That said, if the first time you meet a woman you pay for sex how do you think she will view you? There is a reason these women go to night clubs and boy bars to get fucked instead of calling the guys who regularly see them.

You don't really pay for time, you pay for a service. If you consider her spending the day a service, then you meust pay. IMO this is only acceptable when she does something, for example takes you on a tour of a city in her car. However, it is stupid to essentially pay twice (I've heard of men giving 6000+ baht in addition to food and other things to women who spend the day / night with them).

At the risk of going off on a bit of a rant. One of the reasons for the greed and the attitude that some girls have is the fact that too many men blur the lines between a girlfriend and a hooker. Let's be clear, that bar girl you pay for sex is not your girlfriend so you don't need to treat her like one. That means no fancy dinners and no taking her out on extravagant dates. It also means that men should cut out the sponsorship bs and avoid sending money no matter what circumstances they claim.

Although my experience is limited compared to many members, I have often been amazed at the expectations that some of these girls have. There have been many cases where a girl has, after I have given or committed to giving her more than most Thais make in a week, told me she was hungry in hopes that I would buy her food and t when I make moves to keep from buying the food I get the song and dance about how other customers take them out and give them gifts. What's more amazing are the stories women tell me about men who pay often 10s of 1000s of baht / month to have them on call. What's most amazing is that most of these men walk around thinking they are paying a premium for exclusivity despite the fact that the girl has several men.

I met a bar girl in Cambodia who went to a beach for a week with a customer. This guy not only took her, but her daughter as well. When I asked how much he paid I was shocked. Women at her bar go LT for 35-50USD and she was charging him 100 / day. This was on top of him paying for an extra room and everything else on the trip. When I asked if she liked him her response was that he is a nice man. When I asked why she did not give him a discount she said why should she. He treated a prostitute like a girlfriend and was taken advantage of.

I met a retired man who lives several months of the year in the Philippines but ventures to other parts of SE Asia. He told me that if he wants female companionship outside of the bedroom or over a longer period of time he finds a girl who will spend the time with him in exchange for gifts and not cash payments. Gifts means that he pays for food, drinks, activities, sometimes pays a months rent and generally takes them shopping on his last day. He said that he also gives them their own time during the day and will sometimes give them a small amount of cash for the day. He told me that he gets better results doing this because when he does they treat him like a boyfriend and on the overall he saves money compared to the alternative. He also confided that in the past he would bar fine a chick and pay her per day, but the results were often less than desirable. Essentially when he tried to treat hookers like girlfriends they became more demanding with him and generally showed very little appreciation, after all he's an ATM in that situation and not someone they do or have to like.[/QUOTE]You said it. Problem is guys come to Thailand to date hookers not to fk hookers.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1287924]At the risk of going off on a bit of a rant. One of the reasons for the greed and the attitude that some girls have is the fact that too many men blur the lines between a girlfriend and a hooker. Let's be clear, that bar girl you pay for sex is not your girlfriend so you don't need to treat her like one. That means no fancy dinners and no taking her out on extravagant dates.[/QUOTE]Spot-on. If you're paying for services, there's zero obligation to pay for anything else.

However, the coveted GFE has two sides, and we should treat service providers as humans, not sex machines. If the working girl I'm with is hungry, I feed her (100-150 baht worth of Thai food, max). If she delivers more than just mechanical sex, I might be nice and throw in a tip, and generally make some effort to make her feel good as well (but never amounting to any inconvenience or notable expense for me). In all this, it's important to have boundaries. I find Thais are very perceptive about such cues, and rarely press hard for more than appropriate, unless we show them we're too needy and clingy.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1287997]You said it. Problem is guys come to Thailand to date hookers not to fk hookers.[/QUOTE]Fine comment but did you have to quote the whole post?

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1288122]Fine comment but did you have to quote the whole post?[/QUOTE]You took the words out of my mouth BionicMan, why does one need to requote the entire post to drive home a one line statement, eh?

RM

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1287997]You said it. Problem is guys come to Thailand to date hookers not to fk hookers.[/QUOTE]What problem? Its only a problem in your mind. Escort services can be for guys who want a date. I don't use them but I don't have a problem. Guys can take a girl on holiday in Thailand and its a lot better than taking a wife since the sex is pretty much guaranteed.

I am highly motivated by the sex part, but doesn't mean that is the only thing I can do with a girl.

You have to allow for the diversity of what different guys are looking for. If some guy is getting ripped off, its not your problem. That is the real world. Some guys want to pay more because they can afford it.

There is also diversity in what working girls are looking for. For some its just money. Others are looking for a good guy to become boyfriend / husband etc. It doesn't seem like the greatest method to look for that guy, but its still the case.

Bar girls tell me that some guys barfined them and took them out but didn't fuck them. Its mysterious to me that the guy didn't want sex, but I don't find it to be a problem.

In the end we pay for a girls time and for sex. We get much better supply of hot girls to fuck than from normal sources, and if the girl is not exciting, any more, we move to next one.

I like to return to the most exquisite fucks, as my super experience is virtually guaranteed. I have to watch out though for girls that are getting too attached to me. I am not looking for new GFs.

Took two girls from the bar other night. Quite normal for me. I like the extra sensation of interacting with more than one girl. However one girl J had never been on a double booking before. She was prepared to go however despite her shyness re the other girl N. Turned out that N was drunk and ready to pass out, so was lucky I had the spare one J. Fabulous sex from J. She was not very inhibited because N was sleeping. However at the end N woke up and assisted somewhat. Both girls stayed till morning and got to do more with N next day.

Was J's 2nd last night in the bar. She explained that an american guy was going to sponser her to study Computing and English. So I asked why she showed up? Money? She claimed no but she was looking for a "good" guy prospective BF (surely not me). I asked about the guy sponsering, and she said that she wasn't really sure if that guy was "the one" yet (or maybe she wanted more than one). She claimed the yank knew she was at the bar for 2nd last night. The whole story didn't really seem to make a lot of sense to me.

Next night N's friend N2 returned to the bar and I remembered she was not only great looking but exquisite fuck. So I thought to take all three girls N, N2, and J. However J declined despite the good money. She wanted to go only if she could have me all to herself. She seemed peaved that altough the sex with her was fab, that I would actually want extra girls. She did give her phone number for future liasons though.

No matter. I had a great session with N and N2. N2 was a little shy (only one tequilla) but still an exquisite feeling sex session as before. Its many months since I had a poor session with a Cowboy bar girl. I'm feeling lucky. Its quite a while since I had a poor session at Oilies too. Nana Plaza was source of all recent weak sessions I think, so I am happy to forget Nana again.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1288176]Took two girls from the bar other night. (---) Its many months since I had a poor session with a Cowboy bar girl. I'm feeling lucky. Its quite a while since I had a poor session at Oilies too. Nana Plaza was source of all recent weak sessions I think, so I am happy to forget Nana again.[/QUOTE]Does that mean you picked the 2- 3-somes from Soi cowboy or?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1288166]What problem? Its only a problem in your mind. Escort services can be for guys who want a date. I don't use them but I don't have a problem. Guys can take a girl on holiday in Thailand and its a lot better than taking a wife since the sex is pretty much guaranteed.[/QUOTE]Wow, we agree!

So what if guys want to date hookers? I don't see the problem. I hate men who think that because a lady is a Hooker she's not a good GF Material. Well if you don't like hookers, what the fuck are you doing on this forum then?

Girls are "rented" for their time. What you do in that time is up to you: not everyone wants 5 shots, Anal and BBBJCIM.

Thanks Nic,

You're providing an invaluable service here.

Any particular recommendations at these establishments?

When I was in BKK in December I tried Dr BJ's and took a tall silicon enhanced consultants who had the most fluent english I've heard a Thai speak. University educated and all who did not disappoint in the customer service department. I keep kicking myself that I didn't take the full service option at the time because the big head was taking charge for a change and I didn't really believe that she would follow through on her performance.

[quote=nicfrenchy; 1288237]wow, we agree!

so what if guys want to date hookers? i don't see the problem. i hate men who think that because a lady is a hooker she's not a good gf material. well if you don't like hookers, what the fuck are you doing on this forum then?

girls are "rented" for their time. what you do in that time is up to you: not everyone wants 5 shots, anal and bbbjcim.[/quote]a.

girls from bars are rented for their time. if you want to take them to a movie rather than draping them over the kitchen table, that is your prerogative. but i would say that your average guy in this world wants a girlfriend who does not sleep around on him, who does not use him as an atm, and who goes out with him usually because he makes her feel good slightly irregardless of money. the girls here that i go out with who have jobs and don't expect sponsorship, i may pay for their dinner, i most certainly don't pay for sex, and they are "dates." the girls that i pay for sex are prostitutes, and i might take one to dinner or buy her a meal, but she is not a date, and she most certainly is not good gf material whatsoever, a lesson that has been well learned.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick; 1288261]Thanks Nic,

You're providing an invaluable service here.

Any particular recommendations at these establishments?

When I was in BKK in December I tried Dr BJ's and took a tall silicon enhanced consultants who had the most fluent english I've heard a Thai speak. University educated and all who did not disappoint in the customer service department. I keep kicking myself that I didn't take the full service option at the time because the big head was taking charge for a change and I didn't really believe that she would follow through on her performance.[/QUOTE]For Comfort, maybe Dr BJ is the best spot as it's new but I am still puzzled by the difference between the Nurses and Consultants (apart from the Price).

Best BJ and Service Overall is at SOL (Star of Light).

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1288186]Does that mean you picked the 2- 3-somes from Soi cowboy or?[/QUOTE]Yes. Cowboy bars with fully nude dancers is a good source. You need experienced girls that are used to seeing each other naked at the very least. They need to be very unjealous types, preferrably good friends, preferrably experienced in doing 3-somes, etc. They should be girls that are into sex and aren't looking for a quick turnover.

Girls that do lesbian shows usually qualify on a lot of the selection criteria. Then you are going to pick girls whose body or face appeals to you. Call a girl over for a drink to see if interaction between you and her is working well. Consult with the experienced girl on who she would like to work with too.

Don't ask the mamasan for recommendation! She wouldn't really know who is good on the bed, although she should know which girls get a lot of repeat business. Mamasan recommendations are often made for commercial reasons rather than really considering which girl has the right attitude to suit the customer. Mamasan will often recommend a very young girl with little experience, or a newbie, when I might prefer a more experienced girl.

In my early years I thought I would never get a great 3-some. These days its no problem. It helps that I am well known at certain bars and have a good reputation apart from being "Jao Chuu" (butterfly).

In SuziWong, Bo (very small tits but otherwise good body) is a very experienced nice girl that can set up a great 3-some. She even lusts after some girls. Just an example

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1288237]Wow, we agree!

So what if guys want to date hookers? I don't see the problem. I hate men who think that because a lady is a Hooker she's not a good GF Material. Well if you don't like hookers, what the fuck are you doing on this forum then?[/QUOTE]Yes it has to happen sometimes that we are both being logical. ;)

Not all hookers are really bad girls. Some are only part time hookers. Sometimes is just economic necessity. Some girls like sex, so why not get paid too. Free lance bar girls or special dancers can refuse customers and only go with guys that appeal to them. At pick up joints I used to see plenty of girls refuse the guy (haven't been lately) , and it wasn't purely to do with the price. They wanted a guy they liked, to go LT.

Having said all that, some great sex Bargirls would make absolutely terrible GFs. One of my favourite bargirls smokes, drinks too much, gambles, does mild drugs, talks too much, is too loud, etc. I. E. A shocker for a GF but has a sexy body and good for sex and 3-somes. Doesn't have Thai BF sponger! That's important. We don't have to lie to each other!

When considering a hooker for a GF, you need to choose very wisely.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1288284]Best BJ and Service Overall is at SOL (Star of Light).[/QUOTE]You didn't say if you have tried several girls at Dr. BJ? I don't recall the specific reports.

I understand that SOL is where you got the most reliable experiences. I haven't been to SOL for a long time. Its not very convenient location for me.

Free time is a bit limited. So in a BJ bar I look for convenience when available time is very short. Otherwise I would be doing FS at an oily.

I always find it difficult to comment on places giving the best service, but rather just specific girls that were good for me. I never get to try many girls at the same venue.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1288302]You didn't say if you have tried several girls at Dr. BJ? I don't recall the specific reports.[/quote]I don't post all my experiences here, if I did, I'd have 15, 000 posts already.

[quote]I understand that SOL is where you got the most reliable experiences. I haven't been to SOL for a long time. Its not very convenient location for me.[/quote]Well, he asked [b]me[/b] To give recommendations so obviously they are based on my experiences. When he'll ask you, I guess you can tell him your story (hehehe) (can't put smileys anymore in this fucking forum)?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1288309]...
(can't put smileys anymore in this fucking forum)?[/QUOTE]Can :):):) !


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1288311]Can. !

Giotto[/QUOTE]I guess I missed the memo then.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1288284]For Comfort, maybe Dr BJ is the best spot as it's new but I am still puzzled by the difference between the Nurses and Consultants (apart from the Price).

Best BJ and Service Overall is at SOL (Star of Light).[/QUOTE]The difference is consultants aren't 100% sure as to how to handle the problem or situation. Nurses know and they take care of the problem as soon as they see it!

I always pick the nurse first and think about the consultation later.

LBM

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1288309]I don't post all my experiences here, if I did, I'd have 15, 000 posts already.[/QUOTE]Ha Ha LOL. Very true and you would have been fired from lack of time to do any work. ;)
When you go back and re-edit the post, smilies can be put in and it doesn't try to make corrections any more.

Recommendation. When making a post, can just put in one sentence first up. Then put your real stuff in under edit, without that annoying spelling correcter and reformatter wreaking havoc with your post.

On forums, answers get critiqued without any request for that service. It's just because some of us are skeptics. However no one would doubt your massive levels of experience. I could never get that many monger sessions in no matter how hard I tried, and I have this bad habit of repeating my favourite girls a lot. I have tried Dr BJ once, but don't yet feel fully qualified to give overall assessment on girls abilities. My one girl did a good job without being deep throat. Her looks were acceptable. Now I know SOL has been a great source of Deep Throat girls over the years and I don't recall any girls that were really bad at it.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1288314]The difference is consultants aren't 100% sure as to how to handle the problem or situation. Nurses know and they take care of the problem as soon as they see it!

I always pick the nurse first and think about the consultation later.

LBM[/QUOTE]Sooooo, you pay 300 thb more for a girl that has no idea what to do with your cock? Sounds rather odd.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1288321]Sooooo, you pay 300 thb more for a girl that has no idea what to do with your cock? Sounds rather odd.[/QUOTE]That is the difference between us Nic, you're what I call white collar, and I'm rather blue collar? A consultant might know the situation and know what to do in theory? then tells someone else to do the dirty work. But a nurse like in hospital is the heart of the operation. She get down and dirty! For that I'll pay more since she is the one doing the swallowing LOL.

LBM

[QUOTE=Oldian;1288281]The girls that I pay for sex are prostitutes, and I might take one to dinner or buy her a meal, but she is not a date, and she most certainly is not good GF material whatsoever, a lesson that has been well learned.[/QUOTE]Many guys have not learned that lesson and married bargirls. I don't say they were wrong to do so either, but making a choice too fast is always a bad idea.

I don't find bar-girls to be great potential as a GF, but not sure why this should be so, other than:

"It's easy to take the girl out of the bar, but not easy to take the bar out of the girl".

Hookers from other sources seem to be better possibilities, and again I'm not sure why. I have seen marriages to hookers work out very well, and have seen marriages to non-hooker Thais work out very poorly. Its very hard to generalise. Its only the specific girl that really counts. If the girl has always been looking for a way to get out of being a hooker, she has some possibilities.

Having accepted money to screw does not automatically magically change a girl from being good to very bad. Some guys have to take whatever girl they can get. I could not go back to my home country and take a girl my own age. It just would not interest me. Finding the right non-P4P girl is probably the best option, if she is still great in bed and likes sex a lot.

Not sure why mongers expect to get 100% faithful GFs. Seems hypocritical. I don't expect to control a girl absolutely. I'm not of one of those religions where a girl is my property.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1288330]That is the difference between us Nic, you're what I call white collar, and I'm rather blue collar? A consultant might know the situation and know what to do in theory? Then tells someone else to do the dirty work. But a nurse like in hospital is the heart of the operation. She get down and dirty! For that I'll pay more since she is the one doing the swallowing LOL.

LBM[/QUOTE]I don't get it, why are consultants 300 thb more? If they have no clue what to do? :/

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1288321]Sooooo, you pay 300 thb more for a girl that has no idea what to do with your cock? Sounds rather odd.[/QUOTE]You pay more for consultants probably because they are younger and supposedly better looking. Must go now. My girls will arrive shortly.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1288166]What problem? Its only a problem in your mind. Escort services can be for guys who want a date. I don't use them but I don't have a problem. Guys can take a girl on holiday in Thailand and its a lot better than taking a wife since the sex is pretty much guaranteed.[/QUOTE]I don't think anyone is saying it is a problem to go on a date with a hooker. I have been known to spend a few hours, on my dime, with a girl that I liked the next day. The problem is that some guys spend so lavishly on what are essentially bar girls they feel that it should become the norm. I met a girl in Udon who because she had been sponsored was reluctant to sleep with any man who was not a potential sponsor. She has also developed the opinion that take care of means that she does nothing all day but sit around and you pay her a monthly salary because when you come to town she will spend time with you.

I also understand that as men we can have a variety of needs. For example, one man may not want sex but just to spend a couple of hours in the company of a beautiful girl. That's all well and good and I would never deride anyone for that. The service I generally want is sex, but if the service another man wants is time that is perfectly fine.

Again I was mainly referring to profligate spending in the form of sponsorship and things like gifts for you favorite bar girl. It's just opinion but I really don't like it when I see men treating the women like queens and then the women turn around and talk shit about them, which I have found is very common because Thai women seem to draw a weird line between a man who is generous and one who is stupid with money.

Because of this board and the wisdom of a lot of older mongers I have met through my travels I have been able to avoid tons of would be expensive lessons. If just one guy reads this discussion and thinks twice about sponsoring a girl or overpaying because she says how much she likes him, I will feel like I have accomplished something.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1288285]Yes. Cowboy bars with fully nude dancers is a good source. Just an example[/QUOTE]Thanks for the added value information that other will benefit of. Effective overview that can answer a lot of future questions if the newbies will only RTFF

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1288313]I guess I missed the memo then.[/QUOTE]You are too busy reaching the 15000 f* score.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1288341]Many guys have not learned that lesson and married bargirls. I don't say they were wrong to do so either, but making a choice too fast is always a bad idea.

Having accepted money to screw does not automatically magically change a girl from being good to very bad. Some guys have to take whatever girl they can get. I could not go back to my home country and take a girl my own age. It just would not interest me. Finding the right non-P4P girl is probably the best option, if she is still great in bed and likes sex a lot.[/QUOTE]Sufficient common sense in all the post. There are bar girls who are not hardened hookers and they take the sex services as part of their job not as the main and only part. Of course the customer has to be attracted first. They look for better money than a 9 to 5 job in an office, they are not confined at a desk. There are GF material if one carries on, but he has to be aware of her expectations in general terms (not necessarily money money or visits to the gold shop). They might look for variety of life, for some fun and leisure (again, it doesn't mean they are lazy ones expecting you hire a maid and a cooker). Lets say they are GFE material for a few days of fun and everything, sex included. I know one who doesn't like a steady job, prefers part time ones plus having a range of regular customers taking her for LT, including few days. She gets the chance of traveling here and there with the customer as a companion. And she defineteky has less $$$ expectations than a "one off" from NEP or cowboy gogo's. As she factors the repeated business. But she NEP gogo material either. She enjoys it and she is well aware of what she does and what her job is. How long will that last? Will she be able to do this over 40's or more, when age will start to take the toll. True that a 20yo will win, but we know that Asian women, in general, have their bodies looking better when aged than the western counterparts (generalization is a must in this elaboration, don't flame back listing the dogs around Soi 3 or whatever). So they still have a chance to to turn from GFE into GF and ultimately into a potential wife. Certainly not much at 25/30 vs. A 50yo farang. But a 10/15 years difference will be acceptable at both ends. Can't see that much in the western world, housewife, single, divorcee, widow, woman next door, BG, hooker or escort or whatever the lady is. Matter of the fact is that Asian women are less obsessed, for a reason or the other, by age differences and by the look of the man. And less obsessed about preserving their pussies with spidernets.

This conversation on Asian GF's is all good, pros vs. Amateurs, which nationality makes the best steady girl, and the like. Just remember, no matter what, it is a huge mistake to take your Asian GF back to the hard land of the winter. The USA, EU, Canada will ruin your girl as she assimilates and adjusts to your culture. Your lovely Asian flower will wither and die. A happy long term relationship with an Asian girl is only possible if the man can move to Thailand, the PI, or some other part of South Asia. I wish I could make the move. Unfortunately I have obligations that keep me here inside the Empire and I can only escape a few months a year.

I just finished reading an interesting sci-fi book set in Thailand in the future. It is called 'The Windup girl. ' It is a good book to read while waiting for your next trip.

[quote=syzygies; 1288341]many guys have not learned that lesson and married bargirls. i don't say they were wrong to do so either, but making a choice too fast is always a bad idea.

i don't find bar-girls to be great potential as a gf, but not sure why this should be so, other than:

"it's easy to take the girl out of the bar, but not easy to take the bar out of the girl".

hookers from other sources seem to be better possibilities, and again i'm not sure why. i have seen marriages to hookers work out very well, and have seen marriages to non-hooker thais work out very poorly. its very hard to generalise. its only the specific girl that really counts. if the girl has always been looking for a way to get out of being a hooker, she has some possibilities.

having accepted money to screw does not automatically magically change a girl from being good to very bad. some guys have to take whatever girl they can get. i could not go back to my home country and take a girl my own age. it just would not interest me. finding the right non-p4p girl is probably the best option, if she is still great in bed and likes sex a lot.

not sure why mongers expect to get 100% faithful gfs. seems hypocritical. i don't expect to control a girl absolutely. i'm not of one of those religions where a girl is my property.[/quote]i think you have hit the nail on the head. i would agree that it is an incredible mixed bag when it comes to each and every girl out there, and sure there are some gems. but the reality is that a huge number of the girls, and especially the less hardened and "sweeter" ones actually have a major lack of confidence and low self esteem, and over the course of time this comes to wreak havoc on the relationship. in the west or developed world or whatever you want to call it, even in relatively less class based societies, most people end up having relationships with their peers. so you'd think that the average guy over here, who is middle class on up, has a university education on up, is professional or else retired with money, would probably get along best with a thai woman who has an education, has traveled abroad, speaks good english or other, has friends, hobbies, and interests, et al. in terms of something over time, that sounds far more sustaining than a girl with a third grade education who has had almost no exposure to the outside world other than farang cock. but as we know, it is a heck of a lot easier to go find something sweet to bang in a bar rather than making the time and effort to meet someone else not to mention the commitments involved. and that's where huge numbers end up finding the girl in the bar that they say "she's different" about, and yes, maybe she is not a gold digger, maybe she is polite, maybe she makes an effort to further herself in the world, but i'd guess that the percentages are a heck of a lot higher that in the end, she is just looking for a sponsor. in thai society and thai eyes, most of these girls are considered to be the bottom of the barrel, and this attitude doesn't make it any easier for them to move completely away from the bar and all its connotations. one realizes after awhile that they make fantastic one night or once a week stands, they can be fun, and yeah, why not take one on a date here or there. but gf? you should probably buy yourself a lot of beers if you are good enough to go the distance with one.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1288341]Having accepted money to screw does not automatically magically change a girl from being good to very bad. Some guys have to take whatever girl they can get. I could not go back to my home country and take a girl my own age. It just would not interest me. Finding the right non-P4P girl is probably the best option, if she is still great in bed and likes sex a lot.[/QUOTE]One of the wonderful things about Thailand is that you could find the right non P4P girl and it wouldn't necessarily have to matter whether she was an LBFM or not. You stay with her for a hundred great things other than that, and then you pop down to wherever once or twice a week and act out your porn fantasies!

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1288455]This conversation on Asian GF's is all good, pros vs. Amateurs, which nationality makes the best steady girl, and the like. Just remember, no matter what, it is a huge mistake to take your Asian GF back to the hard land of the winter. The USA, EU, Canada will ruin your girl as she assimilates and adjusts to your culture. Your lovely Asian flower will wither and die. A happy long term relationship with an Asian girl is only possible if the man can move to Thailand, the PI, or some other part of South Asia. I wish I could make the move. Unfortunately I have obligations that keep me here inside the Empire and I can only escape a few months a year.

I just finished reading an interesting sci-fi book set in Thailand in the future. It is called 'The Windup girl. ' It is a good book to read while waiting for your next trip.[/QUOTE]For the most part you are correct, however, I have several friends who have married gals from LOS and taken them to the states and are having very successful relationships there, but they all have one thing in common; the gals were all degreed professionals here who have gotten very good jobs in the states.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1288237]Wow, we agree!

So what if guys want to date hookers? I don't see the problem. I hate men who think that because a lady is a Hooker she's not a good GF Material. Well if you don't like hookers, what the fuck are you doing on this forum then?

Girls are "rented" for their time. What you do in that time is up to you: not everyone wants 5 shots, Anal and BBBJCIM.[/QUOTE]Nic, I love hookers. That is not the point. Guys come over here and tend to throw their standards out the window when it comes to choosing someone for a long term relationship. They grab a good looking hooker with a sixth grade education, BF her, and is six seconds they are in love and willing to mortgage the farm for her.

Really, WTF? Is that the way you want to choose a mate or the potential mother of your children? What is she bringing to the table? Can she provide anything else but open legs and hands? Again, hookers are hookers, and I love 'them! That is one reason to live here, but choosing an uneducated poor girl with leeches for family members is not smart. In the US, it would be like going to poorest holler of West Virginia and choosing your wife there. You would not even think of doing that in the states, so why do it here? For fun, it does not matter of course, that is all about skill set.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking; 1288349]I don't think anyone is saying it is a problem to go on a date with a hooker. I have been known to spend a few hours, on my dime, with a girl that I liked the next day. The problem is that some guys spend so lavishly on what are essentially bar girls they feel that it should become the norm. I met a girl in Udon who because she had been sponsored was reluctant to sleep with any man who was not a potential sponsor. She has also developed the opinion that take care of means that she does nothing all day but sit around and you pay her a monthly salary because when you come to town she will spend time with you.

I also understand that as men we can have a variety of needs. For example, one man may not want sex but just to spend a couple of hours in the company of a beautiful girl. That's all well and good and I would never deride anyone for that. The service I generally want is sex, but if the service another man wants is time that is perfectly fine.

Again I was mainly referring to profligate spending in the form of sponsorship and things like gifts for you favorite bar girl. It's just opinion but I really don't like it when I see men treating the women like queens and then the women turn around and talk shit about them, which I have found is very common because Thai women seem to draw a weird line between a man who is generous and one who is stupid with money.

Because of this board and the wisdom of a lot of older mongers I have met through my travels I have been able to avoid tons of would be expensive lessons. If just one guy reads this discussion and thinks twice about sponsoring a girl or overpaying because she says how much she likes him, I will feel like I have accomplished something.[/QUOTE]Well stated. Want to have a relationship in Thailand? Find a girl who has a degree, has a real job and has been at it for awhile, and comes from at least a middle class family that can take care of themselves.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1288533]Nic, I love hookers. That is not the point. Guys come over here and tend to throw their standards out the window when it comes to choosing someone for a long term relationship. They grab a good looking hooker with a sixth grade education, BF her, and is six seconds they are in love and willing to mortgage the farm for her.[/quote]We agree here, some guys really get suckered. In the Bars (at the beginning) everything is all Glitters and Gold, guys barfine the first girl that sits on their lap and fall in love with them. These girls are slick and they can smell a newbie a mile away.

[quote]Really, WTF? Is that the way you want to choose a mate or the potential mother of your children? What is she bringing to the table? Can she provide anything else but open legs and hands? Again, hookers are hookers, and I love 'them! That is one reason to live here, but choosing an uneducated poor girl with leeches for family members is not smart. In the US, it would be like going to poorest holler of West Virginia and choosing your wife there. You would not even think of doing that in the states, so why do it here? For fun, it does not matter of course, that is all about skill set.[/QUOTE]Getting away from P4P, If you love a lady I don't see why social status should matter.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1288534]Well stated. Want to have a relationship in Thailand? Find a girl who has a degree, has a real job and has been at it for awhile, and comes from at least a middle class family that can take care of themselves.[/QUOTE]Will she find an interest on the average farang (who initially came to Thailand to bang girls as available for cheap, are much younger than him and are, due to the nature of the generic asian women DNA accomplishing and serving the man)?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1288536]Getting away from P4P, If you love a lady I don't see why social status should matter.[/QUOTE]You still need a degree of mutual interests (that includes education and in a way understanding the cultural differences). A very low class girl (just by birth environment) can still blossom in a sophisticated lady, but one out of a million.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1288536]We agree here, some guys really get suckered. In the Bars (at the beginning) everything is all Glitters and Gold, guys barfine the first girl that sits on their lap and fall in love with them. These girls are slick and they can smell a newbie a mile away.[/QUOTE]Well, that guy is then quite an idiot and doesn't deserve anything else. He doesn't have the capacity to understand his environment. The only pity is for the kids that eventually come out these relationships, the real victims.

Last night this pretty Thai girl is asking me (only because I know her girlfriend very well) about can she go to the Embassy of Peter's home country and ask if she can legally get him to submit to a DNA test so that he will take some responsibility for her child (now 3-4 years old). Meanwhile he is married and living in his home country. He sends 10K to her each month but never mentions or asks after the child. Good Luck! He certainly doesn't want it proved that he is the father, but was very happy to fuck her without a condom, this young naive girl and many others.
Sorry if its a bit off topic.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1288534]Well stated. Want to have a relationship in Thailand? Find a girl who has a degree, has a real job and has been at it for awhile, and comes from at least a middle class family that can take care of themselves.[/QUOTE]I once knew a girl who worked Nana car park who had completed her degree at Ramkhamhaeng in something to do with Language Interpreter. I think she wanted to become a tour guide, but finding the right job was tough.
No doubt several ISGers have been with "Nit" a couple or more years back.

I agree with Goatscrot. I have a bargirl GF now, and it's fun, but I'll certainly not marry her (and she knows it) for the reason Goatscrot mentions.

I do have an older friend who has been married for 15 years to an ex bargirl and they do fine, and she is in France with him.

But it also depends on what you want in a wife; for some guys they just need a fun, nice, sexy girl who cooks. For that, an ex bargirl will do fine.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1288612]I have a bargirl GF now, and it's fun, but I'll certainly not marry her (and she knows it) for the reason Goatscrot mentions.[/QUOTE]Not as a flaming, but do you have some sort of monetary compensation with her, apart the usual paying for meals etc? Or is she keeping her job and therefore has her steady income?

The 'we're not getting married' or 'not staying together' mindset often changes when the babies begin to arrive.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1288621]Not as a flaming, but do you have some sort of monetary compensation with her, apart the usual paying for meals etc? Or is she keeping her job and therefore has her steady income?[/QUOTE]I've explained it before (a few pages ago) ; no compensation and I don't pay for meals. We pay 50/50 just like any boyfriend-girlfriend do. She keeps her job.

Re:babies, that's why I use condoms!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1288343]I don't get it, why are consultants 300 thb more? If they have no clue what to do? :/[/QUOTE]We been chat about this befor hear.

And there seam to be all consultants there an maybe 1 nurse. To make you pay more?

Just my own opinion but I think marrying or seriously dating a bar girl or hooker is a terrible state of affairs.

Firstly there is just absolutely no need to do so as you can find whatever you need among the civilian ranks including the porn star experience.

Secondly how would it make you feel to unequivocally KNOW your entire life that without the money coming she would not be with you. Constantly having the hand out for money and the way those requests will start to come with contempt and expectation like it is their right. Knowing that you are nothing to her apart from a means of income and she would drop you like a turd in a punch bowl the moment the money stops.

OF COURSE there are exceptions to every rule and I fully accept that yes you could find a diamond in the rough. But why even bother when there is simply NO reason too. Surely if you can choose non prostitute over prostitute and get exactly the same benefits without the negatives then wouldn't you just do that.

Nothing turns my stomach more than seeing the triumphant bar girl going to the bar with the farang in tow and the new born baby. And what do you tell your kids anyway when they get older?

Again I say all this in the context of KNOWING that it is just not neccessary to take a prostitute for a wife or girlfriend. Morally I am not opposed but it just baffles me as to WHY you would do it. It is just such an utterly false and completely unfullfilling solution.

There is a very famous ex bar owner (I don't know him but his kids go to the same school as my wifes cousin who fills us in on the gossip) and he is loaded now but always wanted kids. A wealthy and handsome guy who speaks good Thai and has been a bar owner for years. Instead of taking the time to find a nice girl and start a family he has (I guess) become so jaded that he put out word that he wanted to meet any woman to have his kids and he would pay an agreed amount of money per month to her (100, 000 baht per month, plus a nanny to take care of each kid).

So the chosen lady is pure trash in my opinion. Comes into the deal already pregnant but doesn't tell him. Kid is born and he accepts this. Second kid he thinks is his. Kid is born and obviously its not his (proven by paternity test). Third kid finally is his. He loves all 3 kids and takes care of them which is nice. The girl is out every night at Q Bar fucking loads of other guys. No interest in the kids who all have their own nannies and she lives rent free with 100, 000 to spend per month.

I see that story and it indicates everything wrong about spending too long around the bar scene in Thailand. Totally jaded and not prepared to even try and so decides to just buy what he needs because that is what he has come to know. I guess he is happy but certainly that situation wouldn't work for me.

Stay in Thailand too long and the biggest mistake you can make is to lose touch with reality and whats "normal". The most "succesful" (as in well integrated and happy) people I know here are the ones who never lost touch with reality and maintain certain standards in their work and personal life.

Again to be clear, I am only saying this because there is simply NO good reason (with some exceptions as in all things) to go down the hooker relationship road. For a couple of hours of fun yes. For anything more then its just insane. It takes such minimal effort to pursue nice girls here. There are just SO many more girls here than guys and all the girls know it.

Its such an utterly superficial world. In 7 or 8 years here I have never even come close. I don't even like long time!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1288533]Guys come over here and tend to throw their standards out the window when it comes to choosing someone for a long term relationship. They grab a good looking hooker with a sixth grade education, BF her, and is six seconds they are in love and willing to mortgage the farm for her.[/QUOTE]Most guys I see don't grab "good looking hookers" for girlfriends. Most I see grab dogs! No wonder why Thais laugh at foreigners.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1288636]There are just SO many more girls here than guys and all the girls know it.[/QUOTE]What do you mean with this?

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1288686]What do you mean with this?[/QUOTE]The old rule of economics: offer and demand ratio (should) determine the selling price and the level of service / quality.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1288632](snip)We pay 50/50 just like any boyfriend-girlfriend do.(snip)[/QUOTE]You must be Dutch! ;)

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1288686]What do you mean with this?[/QUOTE]There is a gender imbalance in Thailand with women far outnumbering men. Here is one statistic:

"At birth the gender ratio is 50. 49% males and 49. 51% females but in the adult age group the gender ratio is 49. 2% males and 50. 8% females. Based on these figures there are potentially 680, 267 Thai women who will not be able to marry / partner with Thai men"

Add in the sheer amount of total dead beat Thai guys and the sheer amount of gays and lady boys and you are probably looking at 1, 500, 000 women with no prospect of marriage. Any office girl here will point that out and its becoming a real issue amongst girls (one reason why the whole mia noi thing just has to be accepted to survive. You can't beat the statistics).

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1288699]Any office girl here will point that out and its becoming a real issue amongst girls[/QUOTE]I believe the stats; it's hard to believe girls think about it consciously or take that into account in their daily life though, do they really?

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1288705]I believe the stats; it's hard to believe girls think about it consciously or take that into account in their daily life though, do they really?[/QUOTE]ABSOLUTELY. I assure you they do. Speak to any single "office girl" about it.

It is one of the first things that struck me when I got to Thailand. I mean even just on the skytrain, in the shops, in the office. You just see SO MANY more women than men. Seriously.

Well; I learned something new thanks to you two. :)

Hi, has any one stayed in the privacy suites at soi 20. I have seen the websites and looks good. I gave them a email regarding the guest joiner fee and got a reply from the hotel that they don't charge anything. Has anyone stayed recently? I have rtff but found nothing. They have a 50 square meter junior suite with a jacuzzi that I m intrested in. Any help would be appreciated regarding the location and rooms.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1288636]Just my own opinion but I think marrying or seriously dating a bar girl or hooker is a terrible state of affairs.

Firstly there is just absolutely no need to do so as you can find whatever you need among the civilian ranks including the porn star experience.

Secondly how would it make you feel to unequivocally KNOW your entire life that without the money coming she would not be with you. Constantly having the hand out for money and the way those requests will start to come with contempt and expectation like it is their right. Knowing that you are nothing to her apart from a means of income and she would drop you like a turd in a punch bowl the moment the money stops.[/QUOTE]You are fucking right dude. I must admit that a couple of weeks ago when Nic put up that post about Craig's List I decided to do some researching of my own. I went on and saw one chick who wanted a serious relationship and even posted pictures on the site. I thought that nobody is going to put their real pictures up on CL. When she finally wrote me back she asked for pictures and after that started writing me from an alternate email address. I was damn near sure it was a scam then. But lo and behold she came to see me yesterday when she got off work just like she said. She has a university degree (saw the graduation pics) , a good job, and a new car (walked her to it). She just wants a serious relationship. All I got yesterday was a couple of pecks on the lips. I think she is trainable though. She wrote me today and sent a picture that we had taken together. Hello How aer you? Where are you now. Bangkok / Pattaya. I go home ____ city. I nice to meet you. And you? Tack care

Mr. E,

Trainable? I think not no more than you yourself can be trainable? Just remember it doesn't come free? There is always pain? Just remember no choking!

LBM

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1288536]We agree here, some guys really get suckered. In the Bars (at the beginning) everything is all Glitters and Gold, guys barfine the first girl that sits on their lap and fall in love with them. These girls are slick and they can smell a newbie a mile away.

Getting away from P4P, If you love a lady I don't see why social status should matter.[/QUOTE]Nic, I think that a bit of common ground when it comes to value systems is a must. People tend to gravitate to folks from their own social class for that reason. I'm not sure if I consider that social status.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1288585]Will she find an interest on the average farang (who initially came to Thailand to bang girls as available for cheap, are much younger than him and are, due to the nature of the generic asian women DNA accomplishing and serving the man)?[/QUOTE]I think you have to be realistic. If you are in your 40s or 50s you can probably land a nice looking educated gal in her 30s. There are lots out there who are career minded and have not taken the time for relationships. Being a "working woman" is becoming quite popular in Thailand, eschewing relationships for a career. But, then the nesting instinct hits in the 30s and at that point a Thai guy is out of the question. Having a gal that is self-sufficient, is educated, and can hold her own in a conversation has its merits. They are still Thai though.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1288636]Just my own opinion but I think marrying or seriously dating a bar girl or hooker is a terrible state of affairs.

Firstly there is just absolutely no need to do so as you can find whatever you need among the civilian ranks including the porn star experience.

Secondly how would it make you feel to unequivocally KNOW your entire life that without the money coming she would not be with you. Constantly having the hand out for money and the way those requests will start to come with contempt and expectation like it is their right. Knowing that you are nothing to her apart from a means of income and she would drop you like a turd in a punch bowl the moment the money stops.

OF COURSE there are exceptions to every rule and I fully accept that yes you could find a diamond in the rough. But why even bother when there is simply NO reason too. Surely if you can choose non prostitute over prostitute and get exactly the same benefits without the negatives then wouldn't you just do that.

Nothing turns my stomach more than seeing the triumphant bar girl going to the bar with the farang in tow and the new born baby. And what do you tell your kids anyway when they get older?..[/QUOTE]Indeed, the above relationship sounds crazy, and it is difficult to understand what the guy might be thinking.

As to your question of "why", I would offer the possible explanation that some times things "just happen".

Here I am not talking about pregnancy, but sometimes relationships that start out as quite superficial end up becoming more. E.g., the girl is one of several you see now and then. There is no sponsorship or pay for services involved, but sometimes when you go to the cinema, or to a restaurant, you might give one of the girls a ping and hear if she wants to go with you, if you want some company. When she's free, perhaps she gives you a ring to hear if she can come over. Or are you hungry? She's around your place and buying some take-away. She can pick up some fish for you if you want.

Perhaps you're pretty clear regarding that the relationship will never progress further than that, due to whatever reasons. As you keep seeing different girls however, perhaps you start to enjoy the company of one more than the others, and perhaps you start to weigh the pros and cons of things you like about her and things you do not. At this point, you're obviously quite a bit past the "we only meet for sex" stage, and you might even start referring to her as your gf. Continue down on that slope for another year or two, perhaps combined with your own desire to have a family and children eventually, and you might end up becoming married, with children, to somebody who is pretty far from what you thought you would ever marry.

Planned? No. But some times things just happen, albeit slowly.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1288636]Just my own opinion but I think marrying or seriously dating a bar girl or hooker is a terrible state of affairs.

Firstly there is just absolutely no need to do so as you can find whatever you need among the civilian ranks including the porn star experience.

Secondly how would it make you feel to unequivocally KNOW your entire life that without the money coming she would not be with you. Constantly having the hand out for money and the way those requests will start to come with contempt and expectation like it is their right. Knowing that you are nothing to her a.

Nothing turns my stomach more than seeing the triumphant bar girl going to the bar with the farang in tow and the new born baby. And what do you tell your kids anyway when they get older?

Again I say all this in the context of KNOWING that it is just not neccessary to take a prostitute for a wife or girlfriend. Morally I am not opposed but it just baffles me as to WHY you would do it. It is just such an utterly false and completely unfullfilling solution.

There is a very famous ex bar owner (I don't know him but his kids go to the same school as my wifes cousin who fills us in on the gossip) and he is loaded now but always wanted kids. A wealthy and handsome guy who speaks good Thai and has been a bar owner for years. Instead of taking the time to find a nice girl and start a family he has (I guess) become so jaded that he put out word that he wanted to meet any woman to have his kids and he would pay an agreed amount of money per month to her (100, 000 baht per month, plus a nanny to take care of each kid).

So the chosen lady is pure trash in my opinion. Comes into the deal already pregnant but doesn't tell him. Kid is born and he accepts this. Second kid he thinks is his. Kid is born and obviously its not his (proven by paternity test). Third kid finally is his. He loves all 3 kids and takes care of them which is nice. The girl is out every night at Q Bar fucking loads of other guys. No interest in the kids who all have their own nannies and she lives rent free with 100, 000 to spend per month.

I see that story and it indicates everything wrong about spending too long around the bar scene in Thailand. Totally jaded and not prepared to even try and so decides to just buy what he needs because that is what he has come to know. I guess he is happy but certainly that situation wouldn't work for me.

Stay in Thailand too long and the biggest mistake you can make is to lose touch with reality and whats "normal". The most "succesful" (as in well integrated and happy) people I know here are the ones who never lost touch with reality and maintain certain standards in their work and personal life.

Again to be clear, I am only saying this because there is simply NO good reason (with some exceptions as in all things) to go down the hooker relationship road. For a couple of hours of fun yes. For anything more then its just insane. It takes such minimal effort to pursue nice girls here. There are just SO many more girls here than guys and all the girls know it.

Its such an utterly superficial world. In 7 or 8 years here I have never even come close. I don't even like long time![/QUOTE]For some people they do not distinguish bargirl and normal girls. The fact that a perticular girl has fucked for money do not bother them. In fact even after marrying if the girl contues to fuck other people do not bother them either. It is not difficult some some people to fall in love with bargirls. So they marry. Some succeeds and some fail like regular relationships.

As to the guy who got rich and wanted kids, this is what he wants. There are numerous people who have adopted kids (Angelins Jolie?) and support them and treat like their own kids. It is not like this guy has to work hard to feed the mother and kids.

In your mind this may not be a ideal situation but as long as the guy is happy about it it is fine.

Two posts of a few lines as an answer or a comment have been quoting the whole message they refer to. No wonder why sometime people skip to RTFF if he hsa to go through pages of quotes taking so much (useless) space. Guys, please do cancel most of the quoted message and leave the esential, if ever needed. There is even a quick link function on top of the quote for thsoe who want to read the whole quoted message.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1288772]I think you have to be realistic. If you are in your 40s or 50s you can probably land a nice looking educated gal in her 30s. They are still Thai though.[/QUOTE]Maybe I am confused by the average farang I see strolling in sukhumvit with a girl in tow. And wodnering what can such a gal (the one you refer to) possibly find in those chaps, those eventually looking for a thai wife. Definetely we also talk in a very generic way, no doubt.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1288786]For some people they do not distinguish bargirl and normal girls. The fact that a perticular girl has fucked for money do not bother them.[/QUOTE]Why would it bother them? Weren't they customers of the said bar when they met the girl? Probably fucked her a couple times too. There is NO difference between a Bargirl and a Customers! One fucks for money and the other pays to fuck: SAME SAME.

How can a guy look down on the girl after that? After all, he also most likely fucked a lot of girls himself.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1288699]There is a gender imbalance in Thailand with women far outnumbering men.[/QUOTE]The initial numbers don't matter. It's gays LBs and Monks slightly balanced by guys with multiple wives. Plenty of girls left over for Farangs Japanese etc. However need to consider the lesbians too.