Jakarta

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2926018]If your last visit to Thermae was last year your information is very outdated in terms of price if you only pursue the TOP looking girls at Thermae. TOP Thermae girls ask more than gogo girls now (3500 vs 3000 baht). ... [/QUOTE]

Yes I heard, Thermae girls are asking more now. But I guess I would still prefer that over GoGo bars.

Also I had 1 great Brazilian I found on Seeking, she lives in Bangkok and had lot of Brazilian friends, so we had blast at one rooftop bar last year and she rockes in bed as compare to Thai girls.

Very open and ready for everything.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2926018]As for talking to girls in Jakarta. Keep in mind most teenagers don't speak much English in Jakarta so talking isn't really a thing. ... [/QUOTE]
Yes, I realized that readign the forums, so I am also checking Seeking girls with English filter and found 4 girls I connected. Hopefully it will be a good experience.

Thank you for your response. The hotties that I saw; if the pics are genuine and speak decent English, 3 mil is fine if the chick spends the entire day or a night as long as you get a good seeking experience. I crave and love that kind of stuff. Do report if you happen to meet any SA chick, the damages and experience. I do not need the contacts or their IDs at all. The hotties that I matched on dating apps and connected in CJs were ok to come to my room in 1 mil for one hour but since this was my first trip was trying to learn and understand. So IMHO, the 5 Mil chicks will be ok with your 3 mil offer for full day or night. Have fun.

Have fun.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Pk099;2926144]I have talked to 4 girls on Telegram, they quoted me 3 mil to 6 mil based on the looks I guess.

My first requirement is speaking English, so maybe I will have to pay more for that.

One thing to mention that I am not looking to go cheap, I am ok to pay little more but need good experience. So I am targeting SA girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2926040]Haven't used it in many years but back when SESTA / FOSTA was a big thing many USA sex sites were inaccessible from US locations. I used Nord VPN and found it cheap easy and reliable. Online reviews seem to indicate it still is. Good luck![/QUOTE]I now use Nord after Mullvad downgraded their service. Occasional glitches with them, but nothing too serious.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2925528]So back for another quick 3 day visit. On the strong recommendation of another ISG bro I went to Emporium for the first time. You can see the reason why its more expensive (1. 2 M /1. 4 M). Almost every girl there was over an 8. Facilities looked nice and upscale. A session is 90 min (not 60) and includes some playtime in the jacuzzi. I went with Papa-san recommendation and had pretty good sex with everything I desire with a very hot girl. Total bill with drinks etc all included was 100 USD.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with EA about Emporium. My first trip I balked at the prices there compared to Classic, but it really is like another level of quality and experience. Their MO is you arrive and you take the elevator to go upstairs and there's a big room with girls on one side and customers on the other side. There's an early shift that starts around 2 pm and then the main shift that starts around 6 pm more or less. There's two main couch areas with the 1. 2 M girls on the right side and the 1. 4 M on the left. Honestly I couldn't tell a major difference between the two, but I think the 1. 4 M were still marginally better. Anyways once you pick your girl, your 90 timer starts. Your options are you can drink with her there in the main room but it's part of your time. You can go downstairs to the spa and she will join you in the giant jacuzzi pool for about 30 minutes and give you a lap dance or massage you. Or you can go straight to the room for the full 90 minutes. There is also an option for a nicer room for a little extra, I forgot how much but it was less than 500.000 and it was worth it to me as the room seemed much larger and nicer. I'd also recommend getting the Papasan's whatsapp, they will post the list of girls who will be working that day to their daily stories if you are looking for a particular girl. And you can also message the papasan to reserve a girl for you before you arrive, and they will send photos of the girls if you ask politely. Also note that the jacuzzi is sometimes closed because it can be booked for a private party. That's on my bucket list but you basically pay for something like 4 bottles and it includes 3 or 4 girls and you get the whole spa area for yourself or your group for maybe 2 hours and also time in the room. I remember the cost being about just under 1,000 USD but it seemed reasonable if you're splitting it between a few people. Also just FYI, BBFS seemed harder to come by here than a place like Classic. Maybe that was just my limited experience but the girls here are either more strict or not as desperate for the extra money.

Quick question for more experienced Emporium mongers: what would be your standard tip here for BBFS? One girl was quoting me a seemingly extraordinary amount after giving her what I thought was already a very generous tip (she initially said the tip value was up to me).

Took a while to get back to ISG, was on a work trip.

I've used Nord, Express, Surfshark. All has many servers in a lot of countries. Only issue is, when it fails meaning server goes down, if you don't notice on time, you are pretty much SOL. So, I ended up with Norton which came in as a bundle. Haven't failed me yet! Doesn't have 100+ servers like the others has but works flawlessly and it has its own reputation.

[QUOTE=Jshah23;2925836]Thanks for responding bro, will definitely give them a try & I will be kept on posting here just need to figure out VPN arrangement as soon as I land there.

Which VPN peoples generally use over there for ISG browsing? Any idea.

Terima kasih.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MSanchez;2926662]I have to agree with EA about Emporium. My first trip I balked at the prices there compared to Classic, but it really is like another level of quality and experience. Their MO is you arrive and you take the elevator to go upstairs and there's a big room with girls on one side and customers on the other side. There's an early shift that starts around 2 pm and then the main shift that starts around 6 pm more or less. There's two main couch areas with the 1. 2 M girls on the right side and the 1. 4 M on the left. Honestly I couldn't tell a major difference between the two, but I think the 1. 4 M were still marginally better. Anyways once you pick your girl, your 90 timer starts. Your options are you can drink with her there in the main room but it's part of your time. You can go downstairs to the spa and she will join you in the giant jacuzzi pool for about 30 minutes and give you a lap dance or massage you. Or you can go straight to the room for the full 90 minutes. There is also an option for a nicer room for a little extra, I forgot how much but it was less than 500.000 and it was worth it to me as the room seemed much larger and nicer. I'd also recommend getting the Papasan's whatsapp, they will post the list of girls who will be working that day to their daily stories if you are looking for a particular girl. And you can also message the papasan to reserve a girl for you before you arrive, and they will send photos of the girls if you ask politely. Also note that the jacuzzi is sometimes closed because it can be booked for a private party. That's on my bucket list but you basically pay for something like 4 bottles and it includes 3 or 4 girls and you get the whole spa area for yourself or your group for maybe 2 hours and also time in the room. I remember the cost being about just under 1,000 USD but it seemed reasonable if you're splitting it between a few people. Also just FYI, BBFS seemed harder to come by here than a place like Classic. Maybe that was just my limited experience but the girls here are either more strict or not as desperate for the extra money.

Quick question for more experienced Emporium mongers: what would be your standard tip here for BBFS? One girl was quoting me a seemingly extraordinary amount after giving her what I thought was already a very generous tip (she initially said the tip value was up to me).[/QUOTE]I wasnt aware your time starts at the drinks. I consider that the interview stage and off the clock. Time should start at the pool when she comes out in her bikini. Anyway the second girl I had at Emporium was super relaxed. At each step it was I who said lets go to the pool and I said lets go to the room and in the end I had to say okay we can leave the room now. The girl was completely unhurried and the house didn't bother us either. It was a slow night and I think they didn't care. I think Emporium is well worth the Price difference with Classic. This last trip Classic Spa collection was very mediocre at 5 pm. I found my regular so it was fine for me but otherwise there was maybe one or two other girls I could have picked. While at Emporium there were probably 30 to 40 girls and I could have easily done over 25 of them.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2927010]I wasnt aware your time starts at the drinks. I consider that the interview stage and off the clock. Time should start at the pool when she comes out in her bikini. Anyway the second girl I had at Emporium was super relaxed. At each step it was I who said lets go to the pool and I said lets go to the room and in the end I had to say okay we can leave the room now. The girl was completely unhurried and the house didn't bother us either. It was a slow night and I think they didn't care. I think Emporium is well worth the Price difference with Classic. This last trip Classic Spa collection was very mediocre at 5 pm. I found my regular so it was fine for me but otherwise there was maybe one or two other girls I could have picked. While at Emporium there were probably 30 to 40 girls and I could have easily done over 25 of them.[/QUOTE]Sent you a PM, buddy.

Hello Everybody.

Today at Classic there were very nice dancers.

Someones know if they do sex or just dancing and drinking? Price?

I never see their mamasan, so I never know who to ask. I be back to Classic in the next days. I will try to ask ti someone's.

For sure they cannot dance at all, there are here because are sexy.

Sure man, I will report back my Jakarta experience from Seeking. I have good success rate on Seeking in other cities, and hoping same.

[QUOTE=DevSagar;2926174]Thank you for your response. The hotties that I saw; if the pics are genuine and speak decent English, 3 mil is fine if the chick spends the entire day or a night as long as you get a good seeking experience. I crave and love that kind of stuff. Do report if you happen to meet any SA chick, the damages and experience. I do not need the contacts or their IDs at all. The hotties that I matched on dating apps and connected in CJs were ok to come to my room in 1 mil for one hour but since this was my first trip was trying to learn and understand. So IMHO, the 5 Mil chicks will be ok with your 3 mil offer for full day or night. Have fun.

Have fun.

Regards.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GiovanniVolo;2927412]Hello Everybody.

Today at Classic there were very nice dancers.

Someones know if they do sex or just dancing and drinking? Price?

I never see their mamasan, so I never know who to ask. I be back to Classic in the next days. I will try to ask ti someone's.

For sure they cannot dance at all, there are here because are sexy.[/QUOTE]Be very careful around the dancers. They are like vultures surrounding prey and will see that you are a newbie, surround you, molest you, put your hands on their boobs and the next thing you know you are buying 5 shots for each dancer.

I don't know if they participate in sex but after that experience I did not want anything to do with them.

Went there last night about 7 PM. Maybe 80 girls, most of them not fuckable. Found one and went to the room with her, after showing her on my phone what I wanted in the session and she agreeing to it. The session was OK and at the end she asked for a tip. Based on posts here, I gave her a 100 K note. She insisted on 200 K so I offered her 50 K more. She repeatedly refused the extra 50 K, insisting on 100 K, until she gave up and we left the room. I thought the 200 K tip was for BBFS, not just regular service. Has the tip requirement changed for the latter or was she just being greedy and trying to take advantage of a me?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2927543]Went there last night about 7 PM. Maybe 80 girls, most of them not fuckable. Found one and went to the room with her, after showing her on my phone what I wanted in the session and she agreeing to it. The session was OK and at the end she asked for a tip. Based on posts here, I gave her a 100 K note. She insisted on 200 K so I offered her 50 K more. She repeatedly refused the extra 50 K, insisting on 100 K, until she gave up and we left the room. I thought the 200 K tip was for BBFS, not just regular service. Has the tip requirement changed for the latter or was she just being greedy and trying to take advantage of a me?[/QUOTE]Locals give 50 k as a tip. I give the same and I get BBFS as well. My money my rules.

I don't care what the girl says or if she complains. How can she force me to give more tip? It s not going to happen in this life.

Many simps give 200 or even more because they are weak and dumb so of course girls try to get more now.

Just be firm. Easy.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2927543]Went there last night about 7 PM. Maybe 80 girls, most of them not fuckable. Found one and went to the room with her, after showing her on my phone what I wanted in the session and she agreeing to it. The session was OK and at the end she asked for a tip. Based on posts here, I gave her a 100 K note. She insisted on 200 K so I offered her 50 K more. She repeatedly refused the extra 50 K, insisting on 100 K, until she gave up and we left the room. I thought the 200 K tip was for BBFS, not just regular service. Has the tip requirement changed for the latter or was she just being greedy and trying to take advantage of a me?[/QUOTE]Did you go to the same Classic I did? At 7 pm there should be way more than 80 girls. There are 15-20 girls per sofa and there are 8 to 10 sofas. Did you walk around? And each sofa has at least a few hotter girls. Or are you going to expect 100% 10's in a brothel where you fuck a 19 yo for $25? As for tip 100 K is reasonable if no special service. But is it that hard to be generous with another 6 bucks? Out of your 375 K to the house, she gets less than 100. She spread her legs and sucked your dick for 6 bucks. I'm not one of those who think we should pay US prices in third world countries. But at the same time I'm okay being generous with small sums to make a girl who made me happy feel good. Now if she had a bad attitude or something, then its a different story. That's just how I do it though and I have not had a bad experience at Classic yet.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2927579]Did you go to the same Classic I did? At 7 pm there should be way more than 80 girls. There are 15-20 girls per sofa and there are 8 to 10 sofas. Did you walk around? And each sofa has at least a few hotter girls. Or are you going to expect 100% 10's in a brothel where you fuck a 19 yo for $25? As for tip 100 K is reasonable if no special service. But is it that hard to be generous with another 6 bucks? Out of your 375 K to the house, she gets less than 100. She spread her legs and sucked your dick for 6 bucks. I'm not one of those who think we should pay US prices in third world countries. But at the same time I'm okay being generous with small sums to make a girl who made me happy feel good. Now if she had a bad attitude or something, then its a different story. That's just how I do it though and I have not had a bad experience at Classic yet.[/QUOTE]It was a guess. There could have been more, I wasn't counting, but some couches had only 10 or less girls.

I wasn't expecting 10's but maybe more than just a few 7'.

I thought that they got 175 K of the 365 K. Why are they even there to get less than 100 K for an hour?

I certainly could afford the extra 50 K that she wanted but I didn't want to be the simp that ruins the market for other foreigners.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2927627]It was a guess. There could have been more, I wasn't counting, but some couches had only 10 or less girls.

I wasn't expecting 10's but maybe more than just a few 7'.

I thought that they got 175 K of the 365 K. Why are they even there to get less than 100 K for an hour?

I certainly could afford the extra 50 K that she wanted but I didn't want to be the simp that ruins the market for other foreigners.[/QUOTE]It is my understanding there is at least a four way split of the fee you pay. But I don't know the exact breakdown.

Part goes directly to the lady.

Part goes to pay the debt her or her family borrowed.

Part goes to the house.

A small commission goes to the mamasan.

Anything you tip should be kept directly by the lady.

One lady told me she clears 20 million a month. (For comparison. An office worker I met on Bumble told me her monthly salary was 7 million and she went to university and had a degree.) I will let someone else do the math on how many guys a month that may be based on any assumed breakdown of the fee or tips.

Also consider that the lady can be "booked" to a table for the hour. This costs 1 voucher and is the same as the room price for sex, but she will just sit and drink with the customer for that hour or two before going to the room to fuck. So that is 3 vouchers she gets for 2 hours of drinking downstairs with the customer and 1 hour of fucking in the room. She gets paid the same either way for 1 voucher. Whether she is sitting and drinking or in the room fucking. This is not my vibe. But many of our Asian friends love to sit and drink with their buddies while they fondle a beautiful lady. This is also why many of the ladies gain weight during the course of their career as they drink their calories from sitting with the customer on a booked table/voucher.

Here are a few reports from locals on what they actually tip.

If you tip 100 you are tipping like a local for standard service with no extras. 50 seems like the low end of the range while 150 seems to be the upper end of the range.

Noticed the covered BJ in one of the reports could be why the 50K tip.

See attachments below.

DC means Damage / Cost I believe and where amount they paid is located. Red is obviously 100 K and blue is 50 K.

There is a price for everything and that's being said, they may look stunning and energetic on stage, tends to be quite the opposite on bed. If you must insist, trick is to get one of the Mama to negotiate for you for a finders fee for the mama aka tips.

Have fun and hope you enjoy your dancer.

[QUOTE=GiovanniVolo;2927412]Hello Everybody.

Today at Classic there were very nice dancers.

Someones know if they do sex or just dancing and drinking? Price?

I never see their mamasan, so I never know who to ask. I be back to Classic in the next days. I will try to ask ti someone's.

For sure they cannot dance at all, there are here because are sexy.[/QUOTE]

You are reading too much into the forum post about tips. There is no set on stone rules to not to ruin the market. If you are happy with the service give 100 or 150 or even 200. You won't be ruining anything. That will actually motivate the girls to provide better service. Now, if service was horrible and she depends tips, well I don't know about other but she won't be getting a dime from me and I will make sure to tell that to her on her face and to mama because that mama will be back to my table before I finish my beer.

When it comes to making a deal for BBFS, that I don't know because I don't do that in a *****house like classic. That's just me.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2927627]It was a guess. There could have been more, I wasn't counting, but some couches had only 10 or less girls.

I wasn't expecting 10's but maybe more than just a few 7'.

I thought that they got 175 K of the 365 K. Why are they even there to get less than 100 K for an hour?

I certainly could afford the extra 50 K that she wanted but I didn't want to be the simp that ruins the market for other foreigners.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2927543]Has the tip requirement changed for the latter or was she just being greedy and trying to take advantage of a me?[/QUOTE]Tip is 100 k for good service. Girl was being greedy. I never go for girls begging for more than 100 k and imo they better appreciate that 100 k I gave her cause that doubles up on the amount she just made in that session. Now if you want to give more then that's ok too. But in your case you didn't really want to so her begging worked.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2927579]Did you go to the same Classic I did? At 7 pm there should be way more than 80 girls.[/QUOTE]I found the numbers to be fairly inconsistent at Classic last month. On a couple of nights there really were only around 80 girls at 7 pm and good nights had WAY more. Luckily most nights there were way more.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99;2927627]I wasn't expecting 10's but maybe more than just a few 7'..[/QUOTE]

I found this to be the same as quantity. There were a few very pretty girls I saw on night 1 of my trip and didn't see again until up to 10 days later even though her mamasan was working. I asked where they were the past 5+ days and they said working so unless someone booked them for hours at a time every time I was there she was lying. You barely see the best girls on the floor. Regulars like me have already told mamasan I want "Angela" so even if you see "Angela" momentarily on the main floor you won't get her over me. Stand by the VIP doors if you want to try to catch a girl. Doesn't always work cause sometimes they're just popping up for a pee break or something.

Yes, the talent level now has dipped over the years and there are nights when finding a '7' can even be difficult but there are also those nights when you are blown away by the talent especially given the price level. How many nights have you gone to Classic so far, JB? Will be interested to hearing what your thoughts are going at least 4 or 5 nights, not in a row, You can never judge any big bar on 1 night, not even a top gogo bar in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2927739]Tip is 100 k for good service. Girl was being greedy. I never go for girls begging for more than 100 k and imo they better appreciate that 100 k I gave her cause that doubles up on the amount she just made in that session. Now if you want to give more then that's ok too. But in your case you didn't really want to so her begging worked.

I found the numbers to be fairly inconsistent at Classic last month. On a couple of nights there really were only around 80 girls at 7 pm and good nights had WAY more. Luckily most nights there were way more.

I found this to be the same as quantity. There were a few very pretty girls I saw on night 1 of my trip and didn't see again until up to 10 days later even though her mamasan was working. I asked where they were the past 5+ days and they said working so unless someone booked them for hours at a time every time I was there she was lying. You barely see the best girls on the floor. Regulars like me have already told mamasan I want "Angela" so even if you see "Angela" momentarily on the main floor you won't get her over me. Stand by the VIP doors if you want to try to catch a girl. Doesn't always work cause sometimes they're just popping up for a pee break or something.

Yes, the talent level now has dipped over the years and there are nights when finding a '7' can even be difficult but there are also those nights when you are blown away by the talent especially given the price level. How many nights have you gone to Classic so far, JB? Will be interested to hearing what your thoughts are going at least 4 or 5 nights, not in a row, You can never judge any big bar on 1 night, not even a top gogo bar in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]She never took the extra 50 K. She just left with the 100 K. That's why I asked the question. I was wondering if she was so insulted that I wouldn't give her a 200 K tip because that is the normal tip she just walked out. However, you would think she would have taken the extra 50 K even if she was pissed off.

Only went there once. Arrived Tuesday midnight, went on Wednesday, wasn't up for a visit Thursday. Will check again tonight.

Looking forward to reading your reports from your trip especially with the Empo girl at your pad. How was the overall experience, and who was it.

Simply amazing, great move at the rodeo. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Jshah23;2927148]Hye buddy, had a BBFS with a super hot girl in emporium & the tip I paid was 300 k only no cigarette or no hidden charges that too by the main bill so in short the answer to your question is yes emporium girls do BBFS & if you can negotiate better it will be as little as 200 k minimum & maximum 1 m. In my case girl was much impressed with my move that she happily accepted 300 k & she is now sleeping with me in my apartment for right now only for 1 m for a night. Go & try it's worth it. The full FR on my trip since 4 night journey will be posted by me soon. Maybe it help you or others.

Tarima kashis.[/QUOTE]

I personally have always tipped 100 k or 150 k and that includes BBFS + CIP. Nobody has ever complained.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2927739]Tip is 100 k for good service. Girl was being greedy. I never go for girls begging for more than 100 k and imo they better appreciate that 100 k I gave her cause that doubles up on the amount she just made in that session. Now if you want to give more then that's ok too. But in your case you didn't really want to so her begging worked.[/QUOTE]I keep checking the conversion rate. Just to confirm, a 100,000 IDR tip equals about US $6.00. Is that correct?

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2927547]Locals give 50 k as a tip. I give the same and I get BBFS as well. My money my rules.

I don't care what the girl says or if she complains. How can she force me to give more tip? It s not going to happen in this life.

Many simps give 200 or even more because they are weak and dumb so of course girls try to get more now.

Just be firm. Easy.[/QUOTE]I am confused about the prices. You guys talk about tips, but is that in addition? In addition to what?

I have never been in Asia, but I am considering Jakarta. How much does a girl cost there? And where I can find girls? I don't like sex clubs, I don't like professionals. Does Tinder work there, or maybe other apps? Or I should use Facebook?

I have a smoking fetish, and I saw a lot of videos of Indonesian girls smoking. Is that quite common?

I am planning my first trip to Jakarta.

Is there a difference between Jakarta and CGK?

Or is it negligible like Narita and Haneda?

All the international flights go to CGK which is located in Tangerang a little north west of Central Jakarta. HLP is mostly a domestic airport served by three Indonesian airlines and for the president and visiting dignitaries. You will fly in to CGK.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2927992]I am planning my first trip to Jakarta.

Is there a difference between Jakarta and CGK?

Or is it negligible like Narita and Haneda?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2927932]I am confused about the prices. You guys talk about tips, but is that in addition? In addition to what?

I have never been in Asia, but I am considering Jakarta. How much does a girl cost there? And where I can find girls? I don't like sex clubs, I don't like professionals. Does Tinder work there, or maybe other apps? Or I should use Facebook?

I have a smoking fetish, and I saw a lot of videos of Indonesian girls smoking. Is that quite common?[/QUOTE]Tips are paid, typically direct to the girl, in addition to the establishments' fees. Normally paid to girls who are employees rather than freelancers and it's not a large amount: 100 to 200 k.

Jakarta has one of the largest ranges of prices anywhere in Asia. 300 k isn't hard to find nor is a girl asking 3 million in a 5 star hotel's bar. RTFF for what to pay where.

Girls are everywhere: malls, online, bars, massage houses, bordellos, the list is endless. The only thing that Jakarta does not have is bars with barfineable gogos. Girls in bars are typically freelancers making their own arrangements.

Many civilians in Jakarta and girls are generally very approachable is you have the smallest amount of Game.

Tinder works but scammers of lady boys abound.

Lots of Indo girls smoke (cigarettes).

Enjoy. G.

You did right Jshah. My first and only trip to Jakarta; I fucked 2 chicks in Emporium. 1st girl I tipped 200 K. She Went happy, took her number and agreed to meet me in my private room. Yeah, good tip works; she made me happy and vice versa. 2nd girl, I tipped 100 K but she made a sorry face; gave her another 50 K. Same took her number and she too agreed to meet me privately. All these exercises were done for my next trip to Jakarta. I do repeat my chicks if I like them. Classic, I didn't go as was mighty pleased with my experience here. I look forward to catch up on your adventures and another Punter's SA reports of this city.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Jshah23;2927148]Hye buddy, had a BBFS with a super hot girl in emporium & the tip I paid was 300 k only no cigarette or no hidden charges that too by the main bill so in short the answer to your question is yes emporium girls do BBFS & if you can negotiate better it will be as little as 200 k minimum & maximum 1 m. In my case girl was much impressed with my move that she happily accepted 300 k & she is now sleeping with me in my apartment for right now only for 1 m for a night. Go & try it's worth it. The full FR on my trip since 4 night journey will be posted by me soon. Maybe it help you or others.

Tarima kashis.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;2928002]All the international flights go to CGK which is located in Tangerang a little north west of Central Jakarta. HLP is mostly a domestic airport served by three Indonesian airlines and for the president and visiting dignitaries. You will fly in to CGK.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the quick reply. Much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2927932]I am confused about the prices. You guys talk about tips, but is that in addition? In addition to what?

I have never been in Asia, but I am considering Jakarta. How much does a girl cost there? And where I can find girls? I don't like sex clubs, I don't like professionals. Does Tinder work there, or maybe other apps? Or I should use Facebook?

I have a smoking fetish, and I saw a lot of videos of Indonesian girls smoking. Is that quite common?[/QUOTE]If you have never been in Asia, I suggest going to Thailand instead. The scene is made for foreigners. Jakarta is a very local scene. You may or may not enjoy it. Many Westerners expect Thailand and then are disappointed. If you have never been to Asia, go to Bangkok and Pattaya. While they are not as good as they used to be, for a first timer they will blow your socks off. Jakarta not as much.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2927878]I keep checking the conversion rate. Just to confirm, a 100,000 IDR tip equals about US $6.00. Is that correct?[/QUOTE]It s always a mistake to do the conversion in your own currency. It makes you overpay easily. Think local.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2927830]I personally have always tipped 100 k or 150 k and that includes BBFS + CIP. Nobody has ever complained.[/QUOTE]Nobody complains if you just tip 50 k neither.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2927932]I am confused about the prices. You guys talk about tips, but is that in addition? In addition to what?

I have never been in Asia, but I am considering Jakarta. How much does a girl cost there? And where I can find girls? I don't like sex clubs, I don't like professionals. Does Tinder work there, or maybe other apps? Or I should use Facebook?

I have a smoking fetish, and I saw a lot of videos of Indonesian girls smoking. Is that quite common?[/QUOTE]RTFF dude. This has been answered 100 times.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2928009]Tips are paid, typically direct to the girl, in addition to the establishments' fees. Normally paid to girls who are employees rather than freelancers and it's not a large amount: 100 to 200 k.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]200 k tip in a place like Classic or Travel is way too much. A tip should be 10% max not 50 % anyway. And tip is not mandatory in Indonesia. If service is normal I don't tip. I tip for specific service only. Locals don't tip at a restaurant or a cafe. This is not North America here!

I never tip for FLs and they always come back to me.

Went back to the 2nd floor brothel at Classic about 7 PM last night. Counted 125 women (135 at 8 PM) so probably 150 in total (including the ones who were in the room or doing something else). Wasn't bothered by the mamasans too much this time as they knew I was going to take my time in choosing a girl. Circled the room a couple of times, trying to find someone I liked. One couch had some young ones I could do, so mamasan brought them up to me, I showed them on my cell phone my program, they agreed, so chose one, paid the mamasan the 365 K, went to the room. OK session, including um-requested BBFS. Gave her 150 K tip. She smiled and said thank you, so apparently the previous night's girl thought I was a sucker. Paid the 5 K entry fee and left.

Around 11 PM went to the Classic Club on the first floor. Dark as a cave, deafening sound volume, some dancers on stage. Asahi beer 110 K a bottle. Probably 65 girls, around 40 of them sitting in the back sofas, the rest sitting with customers and drinking. Not any better quality than the second floor. About half the girls sitting would occasionally get up to be presented to customers sitting in the dark. Don't know how they could even tell what the girls looked like given how dark it was. No reason to stay, so paid the 5 K entry fee and left after 10-15 minutes.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2928009]Tips are paid, typically direct to the girl, in addition to the establishments' fees. Normally paid to girls who are employees rather than freelancers and it's not a large amount: 100 to 200 k.

Jakarta has one of the largest ranges of prices anywhere in Asia. 300 k isn't hard to find nor is a girl asking 3 million in a 5 star hotel's bar. RTFF for what to pay where.

Girls are everywhere: malls, online, bars, massage houses, bordellos, the list is endless. The only thing that Jakarta does not have is bars with barfineable gogos. Girls in bars are typically freelancers making their own arrangements.

Many civilians in Jakarta and girls are generally very approachable is you have the smallest amount of Game.

Tinder works but scammers of lady boys abound.

Lots of Indo girls smoke (cigarettes).

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Prices are very good indeed. Looks as cheap as Africa. What is the English level? Can have a basic conversation? Any other countries I should consider in Asia?

Hello everybody.

Yesterday I been in Mulia disco, and sound and everything was amazing. But price is high to go often. But the place has a crazy big value, price is understandable.

I would ask if in Jakarta they are place where you can meet all the same nice freelance, less 5 star, but still fun and safe. With girls more easygoing, but young all the same, g and with good price for the night.

I also will be back to Mulia another time for sure, music is crazy, But ai also looking for cheaper alternative.

I am also looking for other bar with just live music for the night, cheaper.

I'm not a Tinder user, but might try it on my trip.

Any tips how to use it best?

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2928048]..And tip is not mandatory in Indonesia. If service is normal I don't tip. I tip for specific service only. Locals don't tip at a restaurant or a cafe. This is not North America here!

I never tip for FLs and they always come back to me.[/QUOTE]Agreed.

Upto you. It's your money.

Ditto.

Correct 90% of the time.

Really? I wouldn't know. I'm not American.

See the second sentence of my original post.

Enjoy. G.

Prices are very good indeed. Looks as cheap as Africa.

Depends where in Africa but if you convert with USD then yes it's cheap.

What is the English level? Mostly novice to beginners level.

Can have a basic conversation? Mostly no unless you found a Pro FL. Basic level is stuck at very basic levels with use of common wording.

Any other countries I should consider in Asia? - Hell yeah, like others suggested, Go to Bangkok and Pattaya. Those pro will educate you and harden you for other Asian countries. Also, you will learn basic mongering rules of engagement there.

Jakarta is amazing and it has its own caveats but definitely not for first timer in Asia.

Another thing about Jakarta, 80% of its mongering scene is based on Massage, Spa, Sex club. Rest 20% is mixed of online and regular clubs with FL.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2928080]Prices are very good indeed. Looks as cheap as Africa. What is the English level? Can have a basic conversation? Any other countries I should consider in Asia?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2928060]Went back to the 2nd floor brothel at Classic about 7 PM last night. Counted 125 women (135 at 8 PM) so probably 150 in total (including the ones who were in the room or doing something else). Wasn't bothered by the mamasans too much this time as they knew I was going to take my time in choosing a girl. Circled the room a couple of times, trying to find someone I liked. One couch had some young ones I could do, so mamasan brought them up to me, I showed them on my cell phone my program, they agreed, so chose one, paid the mamasan the 365 K, went to the room. OK session, including um-requested BBFS. Gave her 150 K tip. She smiled and said thank you, so apparently the previous night's girl thought I was a sucker. Paid the 5 K entry fee and left.

Around 11 PM went to the Classic Club on the first floor. Dark as a cave, deafening sound volume, some dancers on stage. Asahi beer 110 K a bottle. Probably 65 girls, around 40 of them sitting in the back sofas, the rest sitting with customers and drinking. Not any better quality than the second floor. About half the girls sitting would occasionally get up to be presented to customers sitting in the dark. Don't know how they could even tell what the girls looked like given how dark it was. No reason to stay, so paid the 5 K entry fee and left after 10-15 minutes.[/QUOTE]I was there yesterday also. Got there around 9 pm and few mamasan were pushy and would call.

Random girls. I kept pushing back and said no. Most girls were young in 20's. For some reason my mind was playing tricks and only girls sitting with customers looked attractive. As they were laughing and carrying on. On the sofa it's were sitting looking bored. Being the first time found it hard to choose. I asked fe girls who were walking past but they would ignore you. Finally one agreed to go. Then there was waiting as she look for her mamasan, then the room voucher. This one was little curvy. Her name was Tristian. She had smoothin skin. Since she did not have to any effort to get me she was little subdued. She did not drink either. In the room.

She had huge boobs but they were not firm. She allowed touching. Little bit of kissing but was mostly starfish. After one round she got dressed and.

Said only one round. Well next time I will try two girls. Ok experience for the first time.

I had been to Royal VIP before classic as it was closer to my hotel. There must be 50 odd girls but they were sitting in the tables on the side.

Hard to see anyone. I did not ask for a lineup. This place was more expensive also. Asking 900 k instead of 365 k in classic. I found the girls in Classic no diffeeent than Royal. Only things is the Royal girls were dressed little better.

Thanks to the members here. The information was spot on and allowed me to taste the Jakarta night life. Will report back.

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen;2928187]I'm not a Tinder user, but might try it on my trip.

Any tips how to use it best?[/QUOTE]Do some prep work about a week before you go. Get a Tinder Gold subscription so you can set yourself up as being in Jakarta from wherever you are living. Yeah it's 40 $, but how much are you spending on your trip, and if you are going elsewhere use it for there as well. Put a proper picture in off yourself. Remember, you are only being seen in Jakarta. Put an honest comment in there. Visiting Jakarta, looking for some company / fun. I have a comment talking about traveling regularly to Jakarta, looking for dinner dates and fun. Start swiping and picking whatever meets your fancy. Remember to delete the account before you leave Jakarta, or suspend it until you want to use it again. You will get hit upon by plenty of lonely hearts. Lot's of ladies who have gone thru the Bule marriage grinder and are now back in Jakarta. I start to chat with the ones I liked and filtered out the out and out P4P - pretty easy to spot, they basically talked money from the start. Met some really interesting ladies who had fleeced their hubbies, set up in houses in places like Pondok Indah, not going to get anywhere with local guys so visiting expats provide their fun.

Haven't used it for a while as I picked up a nympho "freebie" student, that kept me more than satisfied for a long time. Thought there was zero chance, I'm in my 50's and just swiped right on a picture of an extremely fit looking 23 year old in a bikini. But she had a real daddy complex and replied immediately! Unfortunately she is now married to a Bule and popped out a couple or kids, and even then she still wanted to meet up. But it was becoming way to weird and the nympho sex drive had changed to the married mother drive which is probably why a lot of us are here. I'll be back on it (Tinder that is) on my next trip in, which will hopefully be next month.

Just a general enquiry- if one had only 4 nights in Jakarta would the Classic Hotel be a good option to stay?

And how far is the Classic Hotel from the good nightclubs?

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2928234]Just a general enquiry- if one had only 4 nights in Jakarta would the Classic Hotel be a good option to stay?

And how far is the Classic Hotel from the good nightclubs?[/QUOTE]I am planning to stay at the Luminor Hotel Pecenongan which is next door to Emporium. It's about a 10-minute walk to Classic per Google Maps.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2928060]Around 11 PM went to the Classic Club on the first floor. Dark as a cave, deafening sound volume, some dancers on stage. Asahi beer 110 K a bottle. Probably 65 girls, <snip> No reason to stay, so paid the 5 K entry fee and left after 10-15 minutes.[/QUOTE]I know your review of The Bunker was a negative one but it's actually convinced me to try it next trip before leaving Classic. Guess it doesn't hurt to pay 31 cents US to go check out 65 girls. That's half a penny per girl.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2928254]I know your review of The Bunker was a negative one but it's actually convinced me to try it next trip before leaving Classic. Guess it doesn't hurt to pay 31 cents US to go check out 65 girls. That's half a penny per girl.[/QUOTE]I went to the Classic Cub on the 1st floor. The Bunker is in the basement but there is nothing there except a huge sign saying what is supposed to be there. Either it closed or never opened. There is also supposed to be the equivalent of the 2nd floor brothel on the 5th floor but everything above the 2nd floor is closed and there is no access to floors 3-5.

Went to Sari Ayu and most of the clubs in that street, including Royal VIP, about 8:30 PM last night. No entry fee so no problem checking them out. Pretty much the same as Classic Club except maybe half the girls at Classic Club and girls either in the dark or packed into such a small area that you couldn't really check the girls out. Also, nothing special about Royal VIP. Don't know why they charge more.

Way too noisy to stay so just walked in, did a quick tour, and left each club. No need to return.

Then went to Travel Hotel. 14 K entry fee. Club on the ground floor, girls sitting on couches on the second floor. Lots of guys drinking in the club and watching the dancers. Drinks were cheaper than Classic Club. Only half the girls of the 2nd floor brothel in Classic and the same number as Classic Club. Saw one cute one as she was leaving the second floor with a guy. Might go back for her.

Came back to Classic since I am staying here and decided to check out the 2nd floor around 10 PM. Packed with guys. Almost the same number of girls as on Friday at 7 PM. However, fewer girls sitting on the couches, as they were either drinking with customers or in the rooms. Some couches were completely empty. Go before the drinkers arrive if you want to select from the full roster.

It's a decent hotel. I've stayed there many times but not longer than 2-3 days. It's cheap, clean, decent breakfast and literally 50 step's away from the Terminal 2. I couldn't stand the not enough sunlight atmosphere for long.

In terms of night club, if you are looking for strictly clubbing experience then it's bit far. If you are looking for club with working girls. There several options within 20 minutes grab ride.

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2928234]Just a general enquiry- if one had only 4 nights in Jakarta would the Classic Hotel be a good option to stay?

And how far is the Classic Hotel from the good nightclubs?[/QUOTE]

Indeed it's 10-15 min walk but do factor in heat humidity and traffic leading to a sweaty discomfort unless you live in in Asia and used to the weather.

Luminor puts you within stone throw range with emporium but I don't exactly recall what else is there.

Do tell about your Luminot experience. I'm in need of 3 hotel change for my upcoming and so far I have 2.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2928240]I am planning to stay at the Luminor Hotel Pecenongan which is next door to Emporium. It's about a 10-minute walk to Classic per Google Maps.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2928254]I know your review of The Bunker was a negative one but it's actually convinced me to try it next trip before leaving Classic. Guess it doesn't hurt to pay 31 cents US to go check out 65 girls. That's half a penny per girl.[/QUOTE]I checked out the bunker. Its not as good as the upstairs brothel. You can't see the girls easily and need to have mama sans bring a line up. Also loud and smokey. Girls have tiered pricing. A lot of the Spa girls come up after midnight to work there. ID rather fuck them in the Spa rather than upstairs after midnight when they are tired out and used up for the day.

I been to Lokasari squadre today, following this post.

Around 9 pm a mamasan show me some girls. 400 k for 1 hour, plus 130 k hotel. 1. 5 million all the night in my hotel.

I like two and I took one.

Local hotel was disgusting. Just one towel for two. I ask for condom before pay. They told they look for it, but after nobody give me. Mamasan told to do not use condom finally.

I was disappointed.

I do everything because I already paid, but with no penetration.

Girls was nice. Room was too hot, air conditioner was working to less.

I like a lot the girl, also for habits. I am evaluating to take one in my hotel, with rela shower and condom.

What do you think about?

Better experience?

In your view I can just take girl for all the night, or also just 1 hour?

From tomorrow I am staying in Classic hotel for 4 night, then I will see.

The fact is that I like a lot the girl today, I think these are not really prof. But I will use condom for sure.

I also would try to go before, around 5 pm.

Not tomorrow: I would try therme of classic.

Went to Classic Spa around 5:30 PM. Asked if I could check the lineup to decide whether I wanted to stay and pay the 125 K entry fee. Reception said OK but just 5 minutes. Walked in to where the girls were and there were only about 8-10 (even less than when I went Wednesday night and left because there were such few girls). Asked if there were going to be more available but apparently not, so left.

Walked to Emporium Hotel and went to the spa. Asked the same question there. Was told entry was 200 K but waived if I did a session. Wasn't going to pay 200 K just to see the lineup so left, which apparently surprised them.

Had dinner at a Vietnamese restaurant halfway between Emporium and Classic and then went to the 2nd floor at Classic. Not very many girls, maybe 1/2 to 2/3 of the number of girls the previous nights. Apparently a lot of them take off on Sunday. Did my walk around the club a couple of times and decided on a girl. Showed her my program. She agreed, so paid the 365 K and went to the room for an hour session.

She was very active and responsive in the session, especially during DATY. BBBJ but not BBFS. Seemed to enjoy being fucked, saying "yes baby, yes baby" while I was fucking her (she might have been faking it but if you can't tell the difference, it doesn't matter). Phone rang that time was up (15-20 minutes early appears to be the norm there). Since I was enjoying fucking her, I asked her if she wanted to stay another hour. She said yes, so she told reception we would be another hour.

We continued fucking, rested a bit when she got tired and chatted, then fucked some more when the phone rang (again 20 minutes early). She said time was up but I told her the time we arrived in the room and that we had 20 minutes left. She agreed and we fucked some more and I then had her try to suck me to completion but it didn't happen so we showered, I gave her 250 K tip and some chockolates, and we kissed goodbye.

Walked around the club and there were very few girls sitting on the couches, most of them at tables with customers. Again, get there early for a fuller selection.

When I went to pay my bill for the extra hour plus the entry fee, they gave me a copy of it (see attached). If I am reading it correctly, apparently the girls do only get about 90 K for the hour.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2928233]Do some prep work about a week before you go. Get a Tinder Gold subscription so you can set yourself up as being in Jakarta from wherever you are living. Yeah it's 40 $, but how much are you spending on your trip, and if you are going elsewhere use it for there as well. Put a proper picture in off yourself. Remember, you are only being seen in Jakarta. Put an honest comment in there. Visiting Jakarta, looking for some company / fun. I have a comment talking about traveling regularly to Jakarta, looking for dinner dates and fun. Start swiping and picking whatever meets your fancy. Remember to delete the account before you leave Jakarta, or suspend it until you want to use it again. You will get hit upon by plenty of lonely hearts. Lot's of ladies who have gone thru the Bule marriage grinder and are now back in Jakarta. I start to chat with the ones I liked and filtered out the out and out P4P - pretty easy to spot, they basically talked money from the start. Met some really interesting ladies who had fleeced their hubbies, set up in houses in places like Pondok Indah, not going to get anywhere with local guys so visiting expats provide their fun.

Haven't used it for a while as I picked up a nympho "freebie" student, that kept me more than satisfied for a long time. Thought there was zero chance, I'm in my 50's and just swiped right on a picture of an extremely fit looking 23 year old in a bikini. But she had a real daddy complex and replied immediately! Unfortunately she is now married to a Bule and popped out a couple or kids, and even then she still wanted to meet up. But it was becoming way to weird and the nympho sex drive had changed to the married mother drive which is probably why a lot of us are here. I'll be back on it (Tinder that is) on my next trip in, which will hopefully be next month.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for all that! Really helpful!

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2928389]Went to Classic Spa around 5:30 PM. Asked if I could check the lineup to decide whether I wanted to stay and pay the 125 K entry fee. Reception said OK but just 5 minutes. Walked in to where the girls were and there were only about 8-10 (even less than when I went Wednesday night and left because there were such few girls). Asked if there were going to be more available but apparently not, so left.

Walked to Emporium Hotel and went to the spa. Asked the same question there. Was told entry was 200 K but waived if I did a session. Wasn't going to pay 200 K just to see the lineup so left, which apparently surprised them.

Had dinner at a Vietnamese restaurant halfway between Emporium and Classic and then went to the 2nd floor at Classic. Not very many girls, maybe 1/2 to 2/3 of the number of girls the previous nights. Apparently a lot of them take off on Sunday. Did my walk around the club a couple of times and decided on a girl. Showed her my program. She agreed, so paid the 365 K and went to the room for an hour session.

She was very active and responsive in the session, especially during DATY. BBBJ but not BBFS. Seemed to enjoy being fucked, saying "yes baby, yes baby" while I was fucking her (she might have been faking it but if you can't tell the difference, it doesn't matter). Phone rang that time was up (15-20 minutes early appears to be the norm there). Since I was enjoying fucking her, I asked her if she wanted to stay another hour. She said yes, so she told reception we would be another hour.

We continued fucking, rested a bit when she got tired and chatted, then fucked some more when the phone rang (again 20 minutes early). She said time was up but I told her the time we arrived in the room and that we had 20 minutes left. She agreed and we fucked some more and I then had her try to suck me to completion but it didn't happen so we showered, I gave her 250 K tip and some chockolates, and we kissed goodbye.

Walked around the club and there were very few girls sitting on the couches, most of them at tables with customers. Again, get there early for a fuller selection.

When I went to pay my bill for the extra hour plus the entry fee, they gave me a copy of it (see attached). If I am reading it correctly, apparently the girls do only get about 90 K for the hour.[/QUOTE]Hi thanks for your reviews. It helps to have the upto date information. I left Jakarta for a customer visit and will be back. Maybe we will bump into each other on Wednesday. Planning to go back to Emporium and Classic as they are so close to each other. I wanted to try Emporium as reports say the girls are 8-9 there but not sure paying 3 times it will be fun also as it depends on the girl. My first experience at classic was literally a dud for me. Maybe I was tired from my long flight a lack of sleep. Partly she did not understand much English so no flirting happened except me telling her she is hot and pretty. That you can understand in any language. Haha But will see.

Can I ask you two questions. First one have you tried picking girls for the night club. My only problem is they get busy late after 11 pm. If it's going to be hard for someone over 50 yr to pick a college chick in 20. I rather go to either of the joints.

Secondly I am getting interested the thing on your phone that you show girls. Is it what you expect out of the girls translated in Indonesian.

First of all thanks to all the contributors. This thread has helped me use my first night in Jakarta well. Although I did not meet the right girl at Classic I am hopeful for the next visit. Could I ask for some advice to the more experienced Jakarta experts.

My hotel is in South Jakarta in Simatupang as I booked one close to the customer office. All the action is up north and the google maps shows Classic and Emporium over 45 min. Is there another place one can visit in the evening like 8 ish and save the taxi ride. I can see Jenja Jakarta and CJs, Dragonfly are closer. Immigrant is maybe next. So is it worthwhile trying to pickup a freelancer at one of those places.

Mars Spa Pandok is also not too far off. Would they have decent girls there. If it's pussy we are after and it's more how the girl perform then is it worth spending literally 2 hours in traffic.

I know it depends on personal preference. Since I am only get literally 3 more nights in Jakarta trying to best use my time.

Thanks, much appreciated.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2928389]Went to Classic Spa around 5:30 PM. Asked if I could check the lineup to decide whether I wanted to stay and pay the 125 K entry fee. Reception said OK but just 5 minutes. Walked in to where the girls were and there were only about 8-10 (even less than when I went Wednesday night and left because there were such few girls). Asked if there were going to be more available but apparently not, so left.

Walked to Emporium Hotel and went to the spa. Asked the same question there. Was told entry was 200 K but waived if I did a session. Wasn't going to pay 200 K just to see the lineup so left, which apparently surprised them.

Had dinner at a Vietnamese restaurant halfway between Emporium and Classic and then went to the 2nd floor at Classic. Not very many girls, maybe 1/2 to 2/3 of the number of girls the previous nights. Apparently a lot of them take off on Sunday. Did my walk around the club a couple of times and decided on a girl. Showed her my program. She agreed, so paid the 365 K and went to the room for an hour session.

She was very active and responsive in the session, especially during DATY. BBBJ but not BBFS. Seemed to enjoy being fucked, saying "yes baby, yes baby" while I was fucking her (she might have been faking it but if you can't tell the difference, it doesn't matter). Phone rang that time was up (15-20 minutes early appears to be the norm there). Since I was enjoying fucking her, I asked her if she wanted to stay another hour. She said yes, so she told reception we would be another hour.

We continued fucking, rested a bit when she got tired and chatted, then fucked some more when the phone rang (again 20 minutes early). She said time was up but I told her the time we arrived in the room and that we had 20 minutes left. She agreed and we fucked some more and I then had her try to suck me to completion but it didn't happen so we showered, I gave her 250 K tip and some chockolates, and we kissed goodbye.

Walked around the club and there were very few girls sitting on the couches, most of them at tables with customers. Again, get there early for a fuller selection.

When I went to pay my bill for the extra hour plus the entry fee, they gave me a copy of it (see attached). If I am reading it correctly, apparently the girls do only get about 90 K for the hour.[/QUOTE]250 k is way too much a tip.

[QUOTE=JohnIsFun;2928417]Snip.

Can I ask you two questions. First one have you tried picking girls for the night club. My only problem is they get busy late after 11 pm. If it's going to be hard for someone over 50 yr to pick a college chick in 20. I rather go to either of the joints.

Secondly I am getting interested the thing on your phone that you show girls. Is it what you expect out of the girls translated in Indonesian.[/QUOTE]I don't frequent night clubs so have no idea.

What I want in the session: shower together, kissing with tounge, give her massage, DATY, BBBJ, 69, covered fucking until time over.

[QUOTE=JohnIsFun;2928421]First of all thanks to all the contributors. This thread has helped me use my first night in Jakarta well. Although I did not meet the right girl at Classic I am hopeful for the next visit. Could I ask for some advice to the more experienced Jakarta experts.

My hotel is in South Jakarta in Simatupang as I booked one close to the customer office. All the action is up north and the google maps shows Classic and Emporium over 45 min. Is there another place one can visit in the evening like 8 ish and save the taxi ride. I can see Jenja Jakarta and CJs, Dragonfly are closer. Immigrant is maybe next. So is it worthwhile trying to pickup a freelancer at one of those places.

Mars Spa Pandok is also not too far off. Would they have decent girls there. If it's pussy we are after and it's more how the girl perform then is it worth spending literally 2 hours in traffic.

I know it depends on personal preference. Since I am only get literally 3 more nights in Jakarta trying to best use my time.

Thanks, much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Taxi to North Jakarta and back: 150 K. 19 yo slim Classic girl with BBFS including tip-600 K. Or YMMV with a 30+ hooker from CJ $1-$2 M. Your choice.

[QUOTE=AresZ;2928443]250 k is way too much a tip.[/QUOTE]Did you notice in the bill that the girl gets not even $5 for the session (and that's probably before the mamasan's cut). The Jakarta brothels are apparently on the American restaurant system program: pay your employees minimum wage or less and let them depend on tips to actually make a decent living. Not leaving a good tip in a Jakarta brothel is the same as undertipping the server in an American restaurant. When I saw the bill I actually felt that I should have given her more.

[QUOTE=JohnIsFun;2928421]First of all thanks to all the contributors. This thread has helped me use my first night in Jakarta well. Although I did not meet the right girl at Classic I am hopeful for the next visit. Could I ask for some advice to the more experienced Jakarta experts.

My hotel is in South Jakarta in Simatupang as I booked one close to the customer office. All the action is up north and the google maps shows Classic and Emporium over 45 min. Is there another place one can visit in the evening like 8 ish and save the taxi ride. I can see Jenja Jakarta and CJs, Dragonfly are closer. Immigrant is maybe next. So is it worthwhile trying to pickup a freelancer at one of those places.

Mars Spa Pandok is also not too far off. Would they have decent girls there. If it's pussy we are after and it's more how the girl perform then is it worth spending literally 2 hours in traffic.

I know it depends on personal preference. Since I am only get literally 3 more nights in Jakarta trying to best use my time.

Thanks, much appreciated.[/QUOTE]8-ish is way to early to visit anywhere you mentioned above. CJ's isn't open till 9 pm and will have low volume of girls until much later. BATS in Shangri-la is open as it is also a general bar / restaurant, but FL not allowed in untill about 9:30 - 10 pm, then it's fun watching the parade of girls coming in from a seat at the bar opposite the stairs. If you are going to either and are not there at the weekend, then go Wednesday. Ladies night.

[QUOTE=AresZ;2928443]250 k is way too much a tip.[/QUOTE]I agree and giving chocolates is even more shocking IMHO.

Why not a red rose next time?

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2928502]8-ish is way to early to visit anywhere you mentioned above. CJ's isn't open till 9 pm and will have low volume of girls until much later. BATS in Shangri-la is open as it is also a general bar / restaurant, but FL not allowed in untill about 9:30 - 10 pm, then it's fun watching the parade of girls coming in from a seat at the bar opposite the stairs. If you are going to either and are not there at the weekend, then go Wednesday. Ladies night.[/QUOTE]Thanks Irish Mongrel for the reply. Agree night clubs only get busy late. I am back in Jakarta on Wed may try Emporoum or Classic Hotel.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2928471]Taxi to North Jakarta and back: 150 K. 19 yo slim Classic girl with BBFS including tip-600 K. Or YMMV with a 30+ hooker from CJ $1-$2 M. Your choice.[/QUOTE]Great advice Expat American. Thanks more risk with FL. At classic of the one girl does not work could go back for second.

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2928520]I agree and giving chocolates is even more shocking IMHO.

Why not a red rose next time?[/QUOTE]I thought I was a Cheap Charlie but I am no match for you and AresZ.

[QUOTE=AresZ;2928443]250 k is way too much a tip.[/QUOTE]It is not!

I tip IDR 300 K or 400 K for excellent service and if the girl meets my expectations.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2928240]I am planning to stay at the Luminor Hotel Pecenongan which is next door to Emporium. It's about a 10-minute walk to Classic per Google Maps.[/QUOTE]Hotel Luminor is a solid 3 stars.

The location is A+. You can walk to Hotel Travel in 10 minutes.
If you are interested in streetwalkers, this is the best place to stay. Lokasari Plaza is next door.

Correction: Emporium is 3 Kms from Luminor. It is NOT next door. Short Taxi ride.

~BKK

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2928617]Hotel Luminor is a solid 3 stars.

The location is A+. You can walk to Hotel Travel in 10 minutes.
If you are interested in streetwalkers, this is the best place to stay. Lokasari Plaza is next door.

Correction: Emporium is 3 Kms from Luminor. It is NOT next door. Short Taxi ride.

~BKK[/QUOTE]That is not correct. It is literally right next door.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Emporium[/URL]+Hotel+-+Karaoke,+Club+%26+Griya+Pijat,+Pecenongan+Street,+RT. 1%2 FRW. 3,+Kebon+Kelapa,+Central+Jakarta+City,+Jakarta,+Indonesia / Luminor+Hotel+Pecenongan,+Pecenongan+St+No. 35,+Kebon+Kelapa,+Gambir,+Central+Jakarta+City,+Jakarta+10120,+Indonesia / at -6. 1646869,106. 8237548,17 z / data=!3 m1!4 b1!4 m14!4 m13!1 m5!1 m1!1 s0 x2 e69 f5 da58 eb7 f55:0 x938 d6 cd43 f7 ee6 d1!2 m2!1 d106.8263597!2 d-6. 1648186!1 m5!1 m1!1 s0 x2 e69 f5 da5 ecda557:0 x231 ad86 e140 e0 b89!2 m2!1 d106.8260866!2 d-6. 1645715!3 e2?entry=ttu.

You are pretty much 40 min away from any action direction. I was going to suggest Bekasi or Cibinong but those are just massage places with action.

You are better off biting the bullet and head to north Jakarta.

[QUOTE=JohnIsFun;2928421]First of all thanks to all the contributors. This thread has helped me use my first night in Jakarta well. Although I did not meet the right girl at Classic I am hopeful for the next visit. Could I ask for some advice to the more experienced Jakarta experts.

My hotel is in South Jakarta in Simatupang as I booked one close to the customer office. All the action is up north and the google maps shows Classic and Emporium over 45 min. Is there another place one can visit in the evening like 8 ish and save the taxi ride. I can see Jenja Jakarta and CJs, Dragonfly are closer. Immigrant is maybe next. So is it worthwhile trying to pickup a freelancer at one of those places.

Mars Spa Pandok is also not too far off. Would they have decent girls there. If it's pussy we are after and it's more how the girl perform then is it worth spending literally 2 hours in traffic.

I know it depends on personal preference. Since I am only get literally 3 more nights in Jakarta trying to best use my time.

Thanks, much appreciated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GiovanniVolo;2928381]I been to Lokasari squadre today, following this post.

Around 9 pm a mamasan show me some girls. 400 k for 1 hour, plus 130 k hotel. 1. 5 million all the night in my hotel.

I like two and I took one.

Local hotel was disgusting. Just one towel for two. I ask for condom before pay. They told they look for it, but after nobody give me. Mamasan told to do not use condom finally.

I was disappointed.

I do everything because I already paid, but with no penetration.

Girls was nice. Room was too hot, air conditioner was working to less.

I like a lot the girl, also for habits. I am evaluating to take one in my hotel, with rela shower and condom. <snip> [/QUOTE]If you like visiting Lokasari, you should stay in Hotel Luminor.
It is a 3 minute walk from Hotel to Lokasari.

You can bring the girl back to your Room. No time is wasted in Taxi ride and traffic.

Always bring the girl back to YOUR Hotel Room and stick to one hour.
The local Hotel you mentioned is disgusting and a mood killer.

~BKK

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2928621]That is not correct. It is literally right next door.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Emporium[/URL]+Hotel+-+Karaoke,+Club+%26+Griya+Pijat,+Pecenongan+Street,+RT. 1%2 FRW. 3,+Kebon+Kelapa,+Central+Jakarta+City,+Jakarta,+Indonesia / Luminor+Hotel+Pecenongan,+Pecenongan+St+No. <snip> [/QUOTE]Sorry, my bad.

I was referring to Luminor Hotel Kota on Jalan Mangga Besar.
From Luminor Kota (Mangga Besar) it is 3 Kms.

You are correct: Luminor Pecenongan is next door to Emporium.
Great choice if Emporium is your preferred destination.
You can walk to Emporium whenever you get the urge!

~BKK

[QUOTE=JohnIsFun;2928421]First of all thanks to all the contributors. This thread has helped me use my first night in Jakarta well. Although I did not meet the right girl at Classic I am hopeful for the next visit. Could I ask for some advice to the more experienced Jakarta experts.

My hotel is in South Jakarta in Simatupang <snip> .[/QUOTE]Mr. Braid Bar and Lounge is in South Jakarta. You can read the Reviews on Google.
If you visit, please post your experience.

~BKK

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2928610]It is not!

I tip IDR 300 K or 400 K for excellent service and if the girl meets my expectations.[/QUOTE]

250 k is a more than normal.
300-400 k is wayyy more than normal.

Ask any local dude in the bar next time how much they tip.
Its usually 50 k - 100 k.
Tell them you regularly tip 300+ and they will either get pissed at you or laugh at you.

Obviously you are going to do what you want with your money.
But it wouldn't surprise me when the girls start asking foreigners regularly for 300 k tips.

[QUOTE=JSmithJ88;2928713]250 k is a more than normal.
300-400 k is wayyy more than normal.

Ask any local dude in the bar next time how much they tip.
Its usually 50 k - 100 k.
Tell them you regularly tip 300+ and they will either get pissed at you or laugh at you.

Obviously you are going to do what you want with your money.
But it wouldn't surprise me when the girls start asking foreigners regularly for 300 k tips.[/QUOTE]The 250 K was for a 2 hour session.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2928608]I thought I was a Cheap Charlie but I am no match for you and AresZ.[/QUOTE]What? You trying to be a savior, giving out above standard tip to save their asses? Don't let your fking sympathy ruin the market.

When asking for a big tip becomes the norm, people like you will be ones to be crucified.

Did a session last night at Classic 2nd floor. When the girl and I arrived in the room I showed the room attendant the time on my cell phone. The phone rang after about 50 minutes, the usual time to finish up, shower, and get dressed, not at about 40 minutes as before, so it seems showing them the time you enter gets you the full time.

Has anyone sessioned at Emporium? How many girls available when you went there. The girls worth the price difference? Thanks.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2928774]Has anyone sessioned at Emporium? How many girls available when you went there. The girls worth the price difference? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Can you not even read a few pages back in the forum? I have posted recent TR of Emporium as has Super Love. But to answer you Yes, about 30 and Yes.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2928777]Can you not even read a few pages back in the forum? I have posted recent TR of Emporium as has Super Love. But to answer you Yes, about 30 and Yes.[/QUOTE]My bad. I have read back to the end of May but with so many posts I forgot the Emporium posts. However, rather than asking if there were posts about Emporium, I should have done a search for them and would have found your and Super Love's, as well as other posters, posts, and not needed to ask. Will keep this in mind for the future.

Went to Classic Terminal on the 2nd floor about 6:30 PM. Found a girl but had to wait about 10 minutes for a room as they were all full. Apparently there is a rush of customers around 5:30 PM to get the girls while they are still fresh for the day.

Again the reviews other members have posted helped and I knew what to expect. My experience was great and would recommend at least visiting the place once. For me the biggest was the quality of girls and the setup.

Went to Emporium on Thursday. There were good 50 girls. The prices have gone up by 50 k. Now girls are 1. 25 m and 1. 45 m. The higher girls were are gorgeous except one or two. The 1. 25 were maybe had couple I would ignore. Mind you when you are sitting in front of 50 girls in red dresses all.

On their 20's it's hard to choose also. If any of these girls walked past in a mall definitely my eyes would follow. Couple girls had large boobs. I am not a big boobs guy so was not interested. Choose one young girl from the 1. 25 sofa. Her name was Kania. She was 20 and said she started working 4 months ago. She was not smiling before but when mama's a called her she was happy and giggling. We chatted for a while. The mamas an explained there is 30 min for the spa and 90 min for the room. I thought that was great as I don't like to rush and usually the 60 min session feels that way. The girl was happy to drink beer so we ordered one for her also. After 10 odd minutes decided to go to the Spa. There was a locker which opened from the sensor on the arm band. Changed into shorts and off we went to the pool which was heated. The water was warm and comfortable. They girl moved to a darker area and jumped in my lap. She squeezed by dick and was joking. Then she said it's big and wanted to see. She pulled my shorts down to have a look and giggled. I told her I also wanted to check her out and she pulled the top to side to show her perky boobs the way I liked. Then she said she does not have any hair in the pussy area and I asked to check. In the water I pushed the bikini to the side and felt the pussy, then touched her pussy lips. She was starting to get wet. I thought it was a good sign. Ticked her clitoris and had the tip of finger in. She then wanted to go to the room. I had to tell her it's 30 min for the spa and I want to enjoy. After another couple of minutes we decided to head to the room. Has a shower again and changed into a dry shorts. They seem to look after you. We went and the girl handed a voucher and was given a room. The room was pretty small. Just a doable bed and a large shower. There was a large mirror on the opposite side of the bed. Like most brothels. The girl cleaned herself in the shower. She may not have taken one after the spa. The sex was pretty standard. Except this girl said she could not take the dixk in the mouth as it was too big. So I told her she could just lick and kiss it. Which she did. She also sucked on the balls. I was tempted but did not do DATY. But I finger fucked her. She was so tight I could only get one finger in first. She was moaning and got excited. After coup of minutes I had the second fingers in and going fast. She was enjoying it and moaning louder now. I kept doing but she did not come. So after maybe 5 minutes got tired and stopped. We kissed for a while and then put the condom and did her in doggy. She was tight and I had to go slow. I asked her to stand next to the mirror as I wanted to watch her. She was tiny so this was probably not a good idea. The angle was not right for me. Any how pumped her for a while and I came. She said she was happy. Perhaps because I was gentle and not one of those guys who go hard. We changed after cleaning ourselves. All together it was a nice experience. The girl asked for a tip and I gave her 100. She was happy and left. I would recommend people going to Jakarta to try this place. Worth the extra.

After Emporium I was feeling fresh and thought of visiting the FL clubs. So here is my report. I did not want to pick but went for the experience.

Bats.

Entrance was 200 k and this get you a drink. I took the Bintang draft. There were about 20 girls. Mostly mid 30's. Band was playing. Fairly lively place. But talent was ordinary. Some girls were worth doing but not at the price they want. Will speak to few and see what they want. The band stopped after 10 min.

Tried to park myself in front of stairs and people watch. The talent was ordinary so left.

Went to Cj. Again entrance was 200 k which got you a drink. There was a pretty girl walking to the club so followed her and chatted to her. She was very present and would have takwn her of the balls were not empty. She sled for 3 m but would have come down to nearly half. She was with a friend who was more mischievous and wanted 4 m for both.

Then talked to an other girl Bianca who was in her 30 and said she is botiqur owner. There were good 5-10 girls doable. But not sure how enthusiastic they would be once inside the room.

Left around 1:10. The freelancer really try hard. Most girls would give you a smile. While others just ignore you.

For me if I had to pick up a freelancer I would fife Bats a miss. CJ was better. But again in a place like Jakarta when there is option of Classic and Emporium and the others does not pay to get a freelancer. You may be lucky and get one who is fun. But more chances of an ordinary experience.

The the last night in Jakarta. I was thinking of doing partying but since I had already seen the two clubs I thought going to Classic again. The price I paid to get into Bats and CJ's 200 k each would pay for 1 HR with a girl at Classic.

Went to Hotel Classic again. Got there 6:30. The place was full of girls and fewer customers. Second visit understood what was happening. Went in and ignored the first mama san. Told her need to have a drink first. One understood and offered a seat and sat next to me. These women must be on commission as they pounce on you before you know. She wanted me to pick girls from her lot. I did not like anyone so told her I am picking the girl from the other sofa. She went to call the mamasan for that group.

Finally they call the girl. Straight away the girl asks if we can two girls. The mamasan also chips in. I told them only one. This girl starts to get cosy. She was happy to come close. Since she was friendly I told her to call her friend. Doing threesome was on the bucket list and Classic only cost 500 k for two. The second girl was bit shy. I should have read the red flags as it was a bat choice to allow the girl get her friend. As we went in the room they both starting doing girl talk. Slow in staking shower. The language barrier did not help. The second girl was crazy, she pored disinfectant on paper towel to clean me and also had the condom in there.

In the bed they explained that one will be down giving blow job while the other kisses. Now the second girl refused to kiss. So I put the condom and sid the girl in doggy. Took a break asked both to massage me which was hopeless again. Then did the first girl in cow girl, missionary and doggy. Washed myself and walked out. The girls asked for tip and I gave 100 k to each. They may not get much out of the 500 that went to the club.

On the way out thought of popping in Club Classic on the ground floor. They had nearly 80 to 100 girls. The sitting area for the girls is like a cinema. The seats at the back are raised which allows to look at the girls to select. There were two girls dancing on the stage. I could not stand the loud thumping music so walked out. Took the grab back to the hotel at 8:40. Overall took longer to get there than my session. Ticked 3 some of the list but it was very ordinary.

Mentioned several times on the forum, Not all girls do all services. Always check with mamasan first and then select a girl. You paid the price of being a newbie.

It's not the money that hits the monger, the opportunity cost is his time and energy (in this case his finish).

[QUOTE=JohnIsFun;2929516]In the bed they explained that one will be down giving blow job while the other kisses. Now the second girl refused to kiss. So I put the condom and sid the girl in doggy. Took a break asked both to massage me which was hopeless again. Then did the first girl in cow girl, missionary and doggy. Washed myself and walked out. The girls asked for tip and I gave 100 k to each. They may not get much out of the 500 that went to the club.

On the way out thought of popping in Club Classic on the ground floor. They had nearly 80 to 100 girls. The sitting area for the girls is like a cinema. The seats at the back are raised which allows to look at the girls to select. There were two girls dancing on the stage. I could not stand the loud thumping music so walked out. Took the grab back to the hotel at 8:40. Overall took longer to get there than my session. Ticked 3 some of the list but it was very ordinary.[/QUOTE]

Hey folks,

I'm a decent looking native English speaking 40 yo white guy and am planning to visit the region for several weeks around September / October. I am specifically looking to visit a couple of cities (3 max) where I can meet local girls (non pro) via dating apps like Tinder / Bumble / Hinge. I'd like to visit cities where the girls are sexually liberal and not too conservative i. e. Where I have a shot at sleeping with them after say a couple of dates (I understand no guarantees in this regard). I also like visiting massage places from time time but only seek HJ ending and not full service.

Would Jakarta be a good suggestion or is more suited to guys are looking to pay for FS at venues such as Classic? I read that Jakarta can be a good hunting ground for Uni students and MILFS looking for some action from white foreigners. I'm also considering places like Manilla, Bangkok, KL and Taipei.

Any recommendations on where I should head based on the above would be much appreciated.

Many thanks!

Needs some tweaking on your engagement rules. Tell mami what you desire and tell that to your girl / girls before closing the deal. 90% of the time, you would want your prime girl to choose her parted because if they are not comfortable being naked in front of each other, your entire session will be wasted.

Have a translated version of BJ or CBJ, FK or DFK ready to show it to the girl with a sentence stating " if I am happy with your services and you do what I desire, I will give you good tip".

Always worked for me. Hope these helps and better luck next time.

Another option if you really want a good 3 sum, explore those massage places that offers that. Massage gills tends be more friends with each other yielding in better chemistry throughout the session.

(not mamma san. Jakarta is not in freakin Thailand).

[QUOTE=JohnIsFun;2929516]The the last night in Jakarta. I was thinking of doing partying but since I had already seen the two clubs I thought going to Classic again. The price I paid to get into Bats and CJ's 200 k each would pay for 1 HR with a girl at Classic.

Went to Hotel Classic again. Got there 6:30. The place was full of girls and fewer customers. Second visit understood what was happening. Went in and ignored the first mama san. Told her need to have a drink first. One understood and offered a seat and sat next to me. These women must be on commission as they pounce on you before you know. She wanted me to pick girls from her lot. I did not like anyone so told her I am picking the girl from the other sofa. She went to call the mamasan for that group.

Finally they call the girl. Straight away the girl asks if we can two girls. The mamasan also chips in. I told them only one. This girl starts to get cosy. She was happy to come close. Since she was friendly I told her to call her friend. Doing threesome was on the bucket list and Classic only cost 500 k for two. The second girl was bit shy. I should have read the red flags as it was a bat choice to allow the girl get her friend. As we went in the room they both starting doing girl talk. Slow in staking shower. The language barrier did not help. The second girl was crazy, she pored disinfectant on paper towel to clean me and also had the condom in there.

In the bed they explained that one will be down giving blow job while the other kisses. Now the second girl refused to kiss. So I put the condom and sid the girl in doggy. Took a break asked both to massage me which was hopeless again. Then did the first girl in cow girl, missionary and doggy. Washed myself and walked out. The girls asked for tip and I gave 100 k to each. They may not get much out of the 500 that went to the club.

On the way out thought of popping in Club Classic on the ground floor. They had nearly 80 to 100 girls. The sitting area for the girls is like a cinema. The seats at the back are raised which allows to look at the girls to select. There were two girls dancing on the stage. I could not stand the loud thumping music so walked out. Took the grab back to the hotel at 8:40. Overall took longer to get there than my session. Ticked 3 some of the list but it was very ordinary.[/QUOTE]

Five days at Holiday Inn Gajah Mada. Very nice hotel included breakfast and dinner. Went to Classic twice to see the same girl, Fita, a spinner with big boobs for $27/ pop bareback. Girls at Emporium much better like everyone says but more expensive ($74). Got a beautiful busty one named Mega who spoke good English and was a really good lover so I had her spend the night with me at Holiday Inn for 2 M ($124) well worth it. Also went to Travel and had a slim busty for very cheap but she was unenthusiastic. Mustafa Inn is near Holiday Inn (walking distance) so I also had a massage there but not that great. I think Indonesian girls are very nice and many are quite attractive.

Considering what you are looking for.

Jakarta has all that and added bonus majority of girls are pretty. May encounter some language barriers though. Also, plenty of massage places who would be happy to give a HJ for any package you pick.

Pinay loves to date blues and very active in dating apps. Though not sure how would be the quality of HJ massage places but I wouldn't be surprised if you could score that at a legitimate massage shop. Also, pinays are not as pretty as Indonesian.

Thailand would be third, plenty of HJ places and Thai women's are decent to date. Just watch out for ladyboys as they comes in disguise.

If this is your first time in South East Asia, have an open mind to embrace the traffic and women's asking you for money telling most heartbreaking stories you could possibly write a script for next Hollywood blockbuster.

[QUOTE=Doggus;2929829]Hey folks,

I'm a decent looking native English speaking 40 yo white guy and am planning to visit the region for several weeks around September / October. I am specifically looking to visit a couple of cities (3 max) where I can meet local girls (non pro) via dating apps like Tinder / Bumble / Hinge. I'd like to visit cities where the girls are sexually liberal and not too conservative i. e. Where I have a shot at sleeping with them after say a couple of dates (I understand no guarantees in this regard). I also like visiting massage places from time time but only seek HJ ending and not full service.

Would Jakarta be a good suggestion or is more suited to guys are looking to pay for FS at venues such as Classic? I read that Jakarta can be a good hunting ground for Uni students and MILFS looking for some action from white foreigners. I'm also considering places like Manilla, Bangkok, KL and Taipei.

Any recommendations on where I should head based on the above would be much appreciated.

Many thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnIsFun;2929516]T

In the bed they explained that one will be down giving blow job while the other kisses. Now the second girl refused to kiss. So I put the condom and sid the girl in doggy. Took a break asked both to massage me which was hopeless again. Then did the first girl in cow girl, missionary and doggy. Washed myself and walked out. The girls asked for tip and I gave 100 k to each. They may not get much out of the 500 that went to the club.

.[/QUOTE]I have had many 3 somes. The trick is to not let the girls decide the script. You have to direct the action. Once you take charge, the girls will almost always comply with your directions. The problem with a lot of western men is that they are too timid. If you let the girls set the pace or decide on what to do, you will never get the best experience. Women (especially in Asia) are wired to respond to a mans lead in bed. This advice applies to all aspects of mongering as well as dating. Before I get flamed, this does not mean in any way to be coercive. No still means No. But most often you will not hear a No once you get going.

[QUOTE=Doggus;2929829]Hey folks,

I'm a decent looking native English speaking 40 yo white guy and am planning to visit the region for several weeks around September / October. I am specifically looking to visit a couple of cities (3 max) where I can meet local girls (non pro) via dating apps like Tinder / Bumble / Hinge. I'd like to visit cities where the girls are sexually liberal and not too conservative i. e. Where I have a shot at sleeping with them after say a couple of dates (I understand no guarantees in this regard). I also like visiting massage places from time time but only seek HJ ending and not full service.

Would Jakarta be a good suggestion or is more suited to guys are looking to pay for FS at venues such as Classic? I read that Jakarta can be a good hunting ground for Uni students and MILFS looking for some action from white foreigners. I'm also considering places like Manilla, Bangkok, KL and Taipei.

Any recommendations on where I should head based on the above would be much appreciated.

Many thanks![/QUOTE]Not really. The English level of most girls is not great. If you do meet some upper crust educated women, the English will be good but very low chance of bedding. The Philippines is the best country in the region for dating for a short term visitor. I have often found non paid hook ups and dates without too much effort. Taiwan is great if you live there like I did for two years, but it takes time and not suitable for a short visit.

These are pure facts about Asian women. No reason to be flamed for laying it out bluntly. Timidness won't yield much success unless plan is to be submissive to a WG. I've met those odd ones (normal girl) who would just walk off for saying no but then the scene changes at places like classic or similar joint. That's why I came up with the strategy of laying out rules of engagement before hands both with Mami and the girl before paying. One thing I must mention, don't add RAW / BBFS to this strategy of pre-payment negotiations though, try luck in room for a decent tip. 99.9% of the time mami and girl won't buzz for BBFS simply because it's against their rules at most places.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2929925]I have had many 3 somes. The trick is to not let the girls decide the script. You have to direct the action. Once you take charge, the girls will almost always comply with your directions. The problem with a lot of western men is that they are too timid. If you let the girls set the pace or decide on what to do, you will never get the best experience. Women (especially in Asia) are wired to respond to a mans lead in bed. This advice applies to all aspects of mongering as well as dating. Before I get flamed, this does not mean in any way to be coercive. No still means No. But most often you will not hear a No once you get going.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DCups;2929871]Also went to Travel and had a slim busty for very cheap but she was unenthusiastic. [/QUOTE]The story of Travel these days it seems. Has anyone here had better sessions at Travel lately than the other options in Jakarta? I don't mean only because they do BBFS I mean for a Travel girl to be a better fun session than say KI, Classic, Emporium, etc.

Quick report on the bar scene as I rarely visit massage a bit to untidy for me blok m is not quite the same.

Not much happening and ladies are more 5/6 quality.

I did try an ojek friend he was located by the Chinese area on hayam wuruk.

Quality was 8/9 friendly but lots of restrictions which is.

A turnoff ojek 500 k tip 100 k.

One suggestion don't give out your number to them.

As now they constantly SMS for rent money.

Bad move on my part. Anyway off to BKK and.

Hopefully the 9 on soi 23 sukhumvit.

More to post later.

First day.

This is my first post. First of all let me start by thanking all the members that have contributed to this forum.

I would have never been able to monger the way I had mongered on my recent trip to Jakarta.

I'm a regular In Thailand, the scene there is so easy because everything is out in the open but in Indonesia (Jakarta) it's a little different. *.

Without ISG I would have never known about the places like Classic and Travel and how they are set up. *.

So I felt obligated to write a report to help others planning a trip to Jakarta. *.

My first day in Jakarta I already had a rough idea how my day would be. Checked in Holiday Inn hotel, pretty good hotel with a gym, pool, good breakfast and in the center of the activities. Approx 10-15 min taxi ride to Hotel Classic, Travel and the same the north to RoyalVIP, Royal, Starmoon bar. Anyway took a shower went to a restaurant in City walk (shopping center) which is right next to Holiday Inn hotel and then took a little nap because I was exhausted from my trip. After that it was time for some play time.

Arrived at Hotel Classic at around 7 pm with Grab 40 k, walked in the lobby of the hotel on the right hand side you have classic ground floor aka the bunker (which I've never been in after reading the forum) In the lobby I was looking for the elevators to take me to the second floor on the back side of the lobby, but on the second day I found that taking the 2 escalators up on the left was much easier to reach the club on the second floor.

At the entrance they give you a little bracelet with a number on it so when you go with a girl or order drinks they know on which tab they put it on. *.

So here comes the fun part, when you are entering the premises, look I have RTTF so many time and I kinda knew what tot expect with the Mamas there and I was prepared to move a certain way dogging them, but say bye bye to my theories and knowledge from reading the forum LOL. It was very overwhelming for a first timer, they were fighting over me, pulling me left and right to meet their girls. I tried to sit down at one of the tables before you knew it a mama brought 10 of her girls for the line up, keep in mind I haven't even looked at the girls on the couches I was only fighting to get rid of the mamas LOL. *.

Well rookie mistake number 2, mama told me one girl 365 k (odd number but whatever) and 2 girls 500 k. Cute girls, but I think I would never picked them after seeing what was available in the club. Since a trio is like almost on every mans bucket list and also on mine I took 2 girls from that lineup. Paid mama 500 k on the spot and she disappeared with the girls. That was the only time I had a change to look at the talent in the building, ordered a coke and after the drink arrived the girls came back with their purses and we went to a room, the rooms were downstairs from the club, not big just a bed and a shower no toilet and ac. My first trio so I was excited one of the girls spoke a little English the other 0. I took a shower first and after that they took turn showering one was young, slim perky tits, the other clearly had a baby, with boobs beginning to sagg but still doable because she had a lovely ass. I was already hard at that point and ready, but then one of them started whipping me down with mouthwash on a paper towel which was weird and also a turn off. One started licking my nipples while the other was licking around my dick. After that she gave me a covered BJ for a couple of minutes after that showed pain in the jaw which indicates she's tired of sucking. I was like ok then let's f then. I did that for a couple of minutes while the other one was looking and touching my nipples (do men really get aroused by that? I know I don't LOL). So I ask to switch girl, but the other one said condom, so we switched condoms and I took her doggy for a couple of minutes and busted a load in the condom. After that we took separate showers and I gave them each 100 k tip they wanted more but 100 k looked to be a fair amount. *.

My take on the trio, it's good to get it checked off the bucket list and for that price I say yes. But my experience wasn't what I had in mind, maybe if you know the girl or if the girls are friends it's ok who are willing to touch and kiss each other. But here in this case 3 total strangers with no chemistry isn't really fun. *.

We went up and I walked a little on the floor and scoped the talent, I wasn't bothered by mamas this time. I saw a lot of beautiful ladies also some laying half dead (sleeping) on the couches but the jet lag was also taking a toll on me so I decided to go my hotel. Before you leave the place, you need to go to the counter and give them your bracelet and they will check if you have a open balance to you number. I only had a coke so I paid that and they will give you some kind of plastic board thing and now you can walk out and give it to the ladies at the front of the entrance. *Overall it was a decent night but journey will continue.

The next day. *.

Thanks both for the intel.

Flying into BKK seems to work well from a price & logistics perspective and so I will probably spend a week or two there first. I think Manila sounds like a good bet to spend 2-3 weeks where I can hopefully find some joy from using the dating apps with massage+HJ places as a fallback option.

Cheers.

Of course at any time. Keep an eye on Jakarta and Manila forums. I will be in Asia around September-October. I will try and test some non-regular joints on my upcoming trip and post FR here.

Just a food for thought, Why not make a short trip to Jakarta from Manila for 4/5 days just to test the water. By then, you will have some sort of idea of how things work in that part of the world. Cebu Pathetic (Pacific) has daily flights from Manila to Jakarta. Budget airline but not bad compared to PAL / Garuda.

[QUOTE=Doggus;2930026]Thanks both for the intel.

Flying into BKK seems to work well from a price & logistics perspective and so I will probably spend a week or two there first. I think Manila sounds like a good bet to spend 2-3 weeks where I can hopefully find some joy from using the dating apps with massage+HJ places as a fallback option.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DCups;2929871]Five days at Holiday Inn Gajah Mada. Very nice hotel included breakfast and dinner. Went to Classic twice to see the same girl, Fita, a spinner with big boobs for $27/ pop bareback. Girls at Emporium much better like everyone says but more expensive ($74). Got a beautiful busty one named Mega who spoke good English and was a really good lover [B]so I had her spend the night with me at Holiday Inn for 2 M ($124) well worth it. [/B]Also went to Travel and had a slim busty for very cheap but she was unenthusiastic. Mustafa Inn is near Holiday Inn (walking distance) so I also had a massage there but not that great. I think Indonesian girls are very nice and many are quite attractive.[/QUOTE]Did you both leave and go to your hotel together?

Does Emporium frown upon girls going to a customer's hotel?

[QUOTE=Doggus;2930026]Thanks both for the intel.

Flying into BKK seems to work well from a price & logistics perspective and so I will probably spend a week or two there first. I think Manila sounds like a good bet to spend 2-3 weeks where I can hopefully find some joy from using the dating apps with massage+HJ places as a fallback option.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]You're welcome. I am curious though about why straight P4 P is out of the question for you? Dating "nice" girls is dangerous if you lead them on with false promises (not saying you will). And the line between normal girl and prostitute is very thin in Asia. Money in exchange for sex is a well established tradition, and even the civilian girls are hoping for some financial gain. Sometimes its easier to fuck them, pay them and leave them with no drama. Just something to think about.

Woke up went to the gym and had a good breakfast at the Holiday Inn.

I thought it would be a good idea to hit up a massage parlor to start the day. Around 12 I found the number of Sugar and Spa massage and GLOW and send them both a message.

They send me a message with the available ladies for that day and the options:

-Sensation blow.

VIP 60' IDR 435 k (pm, blow, topless).

-Jackpot Express.

VIP 60' IDR 545 k (massage sensual, eksekusi).

-Full package.

Suite 90' IDR 645 k (massage tradisional, pm, blow, eksekusi).

-Double Jackpot.

Suite 135' IDR 905 k (standing massage, blow, eksekusi).

-NURU Black.

Suite 135' IDR 905 k (body massage, sensation nuru, eksekusi).

Also got a response back from Glow massage and lounge.

-GP IDR 360 k (90 min) : Massage, BJ, Topless, MMC, MK, CIM.

-Silver IDR 470 k (60 min) : ALL IN.

-Boom IDR 500 k (90 min) : Massage + ALL IN.

-BFJ IDR 540 k (90 min) : Massage + ALL IN + BM.

-BL IDR 340 K (60 min) : BJ, Topless, MMC, MK, CIM.

-3 Some IDR 770 k (120 min) : Massage, ALL IN, 1 Crot.

-All you can eat IDR 800 k (120 min) : ALL YOU CAN EAT, 2 Crot.

-NORMAL IDR 280 K (90 min): Massage + HJ.

-BENG2 IDR 400 K (80 min): Massage, BJ, Nacked, MMC, MK, FK, FF, 69.

I decided to go to GLOW. When I arrived at 1 pm the dude at the desk showed me the available ladies on a tablet, there were only 4 available at that time.

I choose short blonde girl with big tits and I went for the GP option. I was shown to a room, decent size. When my lady arrived we got undressed (my option said topless but she got fully naked). We got to talk a little bit, she didn't spoke much English but enough for some small talk. I laid flat on my stomach and got a pretty good massage from her after a while I turned around and she started massaging me on the front and then she slowly followed with a good no cover blowjob at that point we where already 1 hour in the session and busted a load in her mouth, which I think caught her by surprised, she immediately went to spit it out in the shower LOL. She didn't complained after that so I think it was ok for not warning her in advance. We cleaned up after, I gave her a little tip and took a grab to my hotel. Had something to eat and took a rest.

Later that day around 18:00 pm, I ordered Grab and went to hotel Travel. Walk around a bit, didn't see anything special, walked to the back where most of the ladies sit on caughes, got 2 line up from Mama but still wasn't impressed with the talent. So decided to leave, I paid 14 k on my way out.

Ordered a Grab and went to RoyalVIP, Starmoon, Royal and 1 other bar there can't remember the name all in the same square walkig distance from each other, but nothing that caught my eyes. I found that in RoyalVIP the ladies are dressed a little bit nicer and look a little more mature. If I'm not mistaken I was quoted prices of 900 k for a lady.

I ordered a Grab again to hotel Classic.

This time at classic I felt like I got hang of it, walked in the lobby, took the escalator on the left hand side and then the second escalator and reach the club. Took my bracelet at the entrance and walked in like I owned the place. Mamas came rushing to me but I politely shooked them off, sat down at a table and checked out the talent. My eye caught a pretty young slim girl with braces, don't remembered her name. Mama saw I was checking her girl out so she lazerd her to me (funny how the mamas point lazers to the girls to call them). She came to me real with real GFE hugged me, kissed me, rubbed against me all that right on the floor it felt good. It didn't took long for me to know this was the right girl for me and I gave mama the 365 k and we went to the room. P.S. Some mamas bring the change back to you, others keep it and don't say anything. It isn't a big deal only 35 k =2 euro. In the room she continued with the GFE, kissing, hugging me etc. We took a shower together and then went to bed. This time no whipping down with mouth wash (that's a fucking turn off). She continued kissing and gave a no cover BJ. I put on a condom and went all sort of positions, at some put she said no condom and I was like did I hear you correctly are you sure? Usually I don't go BB but the chemistry was there, she looked clean and smelled good so I went in without a rubber. Didn't took me long and I pulled out and busted on her stomach. Now that I think of it, it might've been a tactic of her to finish me quicker LOL (I don't care I loved every moment of it). We cleaned up and we laid a little on the bed before going back upstairs. I gave her a 200 k tip and she was happy she kissed me goodbye and we walked our separate ways. I think it was one of my best experience in classic.

To be continued.

Hello Gents,

I am flying into CGK airport in a few days. Anyone fly in recently and can comment on their expereince with Immigration, Customs, Visa on Arrival, blah, blah, blah?

I heard because of cyber attack on immigration, there are maybe long lines for foreigners to come to Jakarta airport.

Thanks and appreciate.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2930252]Did you both leave and go to your hotel together?

Does Emporium frown upon girls going to a customer's hotel?[/QUOTE]She met me there after her shift.

[QUOTE=United1;2930380]I heard because of cyber attack on immigration, there are maybe long lines for foreigners to come to Jakarta airport.[/QUOTE]You didn't say which country you're from so I can't tell you exactly how things will go for you. Your first line up will be to purchase a Visa on Arrival if that is required by your country. That line up is never long. They collect your money and you get your Visa on Arrival. The next line is likely the one you are referring to. You will see signs that say Foreigners. That line is super slow and can be very long. There are also many machines to your left. I lined up for nearly an hour once in the Foreigner line cause I figured I'm not from Indonesia so I'm a foreigner. When I got to the front of the line the IO just rolled his eyes at me. He pointed to the automatic machines and laughingly tells me to not waste his time because I didn't need to line up in the Foreigners line. I assume it's because I got a VoA. My advice is always try to use the machines first.

Now here is the sucky part. If you end up lining up for an hour in the Foreigners line up you will notice your luggage will be missing when you try claiming it. You have to walk back to a room at the BEGINNING of the baggage carousels and prove that they have a piece of your luggage. I didn't know where it was so walked around and around until I found it.

[QUOTE=DCups;2930381]She met me there after her shift.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your response. Much appreciated.

[QUOTE=United1;2930380]Hello Gents,

I am flying into CGK airport in a few days. Anyone fly in recently and can comment on their expereince with Immigration, Customs, Visa on Arrival, blah, blah, blah?

[/QUOTE]You can buy the evisa online before you arrive. Else, you will have to stand in queue and pay in USD / EURO / IDR (Viet Dong Etc are not accepted). If you have a e-visa already with you, move to immigration directly which can be late sometimes. Also, there is a customs declaration that you have to make digitally. Connect to the Wifi CUSTOMS DEC, scan the QR code that is displayed all over the place, fill up your details and keep the screen shot of the QR code that is generated after submission. Scan this QR code at the customs exit post baggage collection.

Download GRAB app before you go or after your arrive for local transport, Food delivery which is very convenient.

[QUOTE=WhoCaresReally;2930505]You can buy the evisa online before you arrive.[/QUOTE]Has anyone else had problems with the evisa, I took many photos and tried to load and all got rejected. I tried for hours. The following day I tried again with the same photo and it read it successfully, I got through most of the screens and then it rejected me saying my email address wasn't a valid one and sent me back to the start again. I just got a VOA.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2930488]You didn't say which country you're from so I can't tell you exactly how things will go for you. Your first line up will be to purchase a Visa on Arrival if that is required by your country. That line up is never long. They collect your money and you get your Visa on Arrival. The next line is likely the one you are referring to. You will see signs that say Foreigners. That line is super slow and can be very long. There are also many machines to your left. I lined up for nearly an hour once in the Foreigner line cause I figured I'm not from Indonesia so I'm a foreigner. When I got to the front of the line the IO just rolled his eyes at me. He pointed to the automatic machines and laughingly tells me to not waste his time because I didn't need to line up in the Foreigners line. I assume it's because I got a VoA. My advice is always try to use the machines first.

Now here is the sucky part. If you end up lining up for an hour in the Foreigners line up you will notice your luggage will be missing when you try claiming it. You have to walk back to a room at the BEGINNING of the baggage carousels and prove that they have a piece of your luggage. I didn't know where it was so walked around and around until I found it.[/QUOTE]I can confirm that US passport with VOA is eligible for automated gates. No need to stand in line. Also, I have never had a line for VOA either. For me CGK has always been a smooth experience flying in. Flying out with Air Asia though is a confusing mess. Multiple flights from the same gate at the same time, no clear announcements etc.

I had problems renewing last week. It was scary because a delay of 24 hours meant overstaying. There was a big hack of imagrasi late June and they just announced they just moved their data to Amazon severs last week. I went to Kantor imagrasi to deal with it. Some offices will give you visa same day if you go there in person but not all of them do that. So you have to find out which ones are nearest to you that do that.

[QUOTE=Jingo10;2930523]Has anyone else had problems with the evisa, I took many photos and tried to load and all got rejected. I tried for hours. The following day I tried again with the same photo and it read it successfully, I got through most of the screens and then it rejected me saying my email address wasn't a valid one and sent me back to the start again. I just got a VOA.[/QUOTE]

This is a freaking mongering forum and not visa counselling services. Get over this loser and move it to a different field.

One more reason why this forum has become uninteresting. Google your visa services needs and requirements elsewhere. Go get a life dude!

[QUOTE=Lumens;2930549]I had problems renewing last week. It was scary because a delay of 24 hours meant overstaying. There was a big hack of imagrasi late June and they just announced they just moved their data to Amazon severs last week. I went to Kantor imagrasi to deal with it. Some offices will give you visa same day if you go there in person but not all of them do that. So you have to find out which ones are nearest to you that do that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=United1;2930380]Hello Gents,

I am flying into CGK airport in a few days. Anyone fly in recently and can comment on their expereince with Immigration, Customs, Visa on Arrival, blah, blah, blah?

I heard because of cyber attack on immigration, there are maybe long lines for foreigners to come to Jakarta airport.

Thanks and appreciate.[/QUOTE]1. Get 500,000 Rupiah ($30.50 USD) for Visa on Arrival. ATMs at airport. 2. Wait in line at VOA. 3. Wait in line at Immigration. If anyone has a better way to do it please advise.

Jshah, you have literally screwed my happiness with your excellent feedback and FR of your experience's. At least, for me; you have raised the bar and added on to the forum. You have lit it up. This is what we strive for; pleasurable, memorable and fulfilling experience's of a lifetime which will be buried with you in your grave. Superb report.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Jshah23;2930223]HI all,

As some of you know I had my first trip to Jakarta from 29 -7 of this month, I must say it's one of mongering paradise which have pretty much for every monger out there.

This forum is super helpful hat off to you guys for your contributions. Without the lights of Super, BB, Devsagar & many others this trip wasn't possible & maybe my soul will then be never unearthed heheh. So as promised here are the details & tips for this heaven.

First, ISG is banned so anyone trying to use it need to have a VPN, I used secure VPN as it was for free & worked great use banned sites like ISG.

Day 1. Travel.

Reached CGK airport at afternoon, did payment for VOA & got my passport stamped & proceeded to custom clearance which was smooth because of advance e-declaration which I did prior to my departure. Took a sim from airport, chit chatted with the girl on the counter a bit, asked her private number for further meeting & she helped me book a grab for my apartment near glodok mall. Tell you brother that feels great to hit the bull's eye on first strike. Any ways got in grab & changed my tinder location to Jakarta & chatted sim-girl all the way to my bnb in glodok. Took some rest, freshen up & went to travel as it was the closest destination. By 9 pm I was at travel, the setup is same as most of the brothers described sitted for some time in main hall sipped the beer & let mamas to show the lineup, unfortunately didn't like any from the lot so decide to move to the backroom where girls were sitting on sofas & punter were walking around to have a look. Selected a girl Wulan, slim & young & in her early 20's, proceeded to the room & cleaned up for the action. She cleaned up & came to the bed, started kissing & have lots of oral fun, she got aroused much by my finger actions & needed the penetration. She came up to me & started rubbing her clits on my tool & I felt the wetness of her, suddenly to my surprise she slipped tool inside her without using cover. This was new to me as from where I belog having a BBFS is dilemma for most of the girls. But she didn't shown any such issue & continued riding me on top. It was the time I lost control of decency & started fucking her wildly she enjoyed it & after a good 15-20 minutes of intense pounding / fucking I finally came inside her & she took it as champ & didn't complained. We got up cleaned up chatted for some time, exchanged contacts & I handled her a tip of 50 K which she took happy & kissed me to say bye.

It was 10.45 pm now & the jet lack made me call up for the night. Chatted some of the matches from tinder, also tried someone from MIchat to accompany me for night but option didn't worked up as most of the MIchat were bait & switch (Not matching in vdocall as per there pics) or tinder matches which were far from my location mostly south Jakarta.

Wulan.

Face 6.

Be**BS 7 small but firm & pressable.

Fig 8 slim & thin frame.

Attitude 8 friendly.

Exp 8.

WIR Nah many fish in pond.

Day 2.

Got up at around 10 am & hit the gym at bnb society to loosen up a bit, took my breakfast & started scrolling online option for monger as in day offline options are all dried up. Connected with some profile on tinder, MIchat & bumble most of the profile didn't want to come to outcall to my place or need advance to come up to my place without having any vdocall. I tried to filter out all of them as mongering first rule lies no advance and suddenly to my surprise a super-hot pic profiled messaged me & said 300 K for an hour in call with no advance but I need to visit to her hotel which was as per there saying Holiday Inn GM, for me it was next door to me so I said why not I reached Holiday at around 1 pm & called on the number provided on MIchat. Call picked by girl & saying she wants to meet me for fixed price (300 K an hour) but her handler needs to have some guarantee so that I don't do any harm to her as first time user of this service provide LOL. I was shocked & said this is not what I expected but with her sober story of safety & willingness to meet me I agreed. She messaged me a number whom I need to confirm my attendance to her & have to pay advance & so-called refundable guarantee money. I messaged & received a PDF of the service & guarantee money of 600 k refundable after deed within a minute. I suspected it which got more refrained after I sent my selfie standing near sign board of holiday inn hotel as asked by them. It was then I stopped any further commutation & started heading to my apartment, I received continues calls from the handler & the girl number and number of times which I ignored & reached my apartment. Settled down & was happy to not to be a victim of this trap, received a message of threat from girl number sending me my own selfie & telling me to send money or they will go to polisia (police). It was now confirmed that it was a MIchat spam to me. I didn't frightened-up & as an experienced monger I knew the things already & said the girl number & handler number to go & fuck themselves, next blocked them. No further communication & I think they got what they needed hehehe. After which I took bath & headed to Glow spa just infront of hotel travel just because a monger follower recommended it somedays back & it opens early at around 12 am. Reached there by 2. 30 pm & guy at counter shown me option in his mobile which I didn't got convinced so he said to get in to the main hall & he will call the lineup. Got the lineup & selected tall, young & puffy Putri. & headed for a 90 minutes package for 560 k. Had a good experience with her in the room & spent good 75-80 minutes with her before cleaning up.

Putri.

Face 7.

Be**BS 8 good size & round.

Fig 7 no belly & meat at right place.

Attitude 9 friendly.

Exp 7 (didn't liked the room ambience even though girl was new & too much submissive).

WIR no it's not a place for foreign monger it's a cheap setup for locals with only 5-6 selection & below average rooms.

Also, that was a covered FS as per girl insistence & no tip from me.

Got back to apartment & had my lunch ordered from grab & at around 5 pm reached Emporium.

Met David at 1st floor entrance & headed to see the lineup. There were around 11 girls in the room 5 in 1. 2 M & 6 in 1. 4 M category. Selected a 1. 2 M girl form the lot just because of her short appearance & larger than life smile.

That time I didn't knew this girl will rock my whole trip guys. Let's call her Miss be.

She took me to the pool with lots of kissing DFKs & of course boobs sucking, fingering all her holes & then after 30 minutes we proceeded towards room which was spacious & clean. We both got cleaned up with each other's lips locked together & after that jumped on the bed, she started kissing me all over & I enjoyed pressing & fingering her with all these long DFKs. I got to know that she is young & her V is smell free & fairly tight with super hygiene it was then I made her lay down & kissed her all along & started enjoying DATY, which made her so much horny & excited at the same. I must say she enjoyed it much & was about to cum when she stopped me for giving me a great sloppy BJ. It was all looking fantastic watching her sucking my tool in the wall / roof mirrors & letting her bounce her spotless glowing body all over me. Literally buddy that was an experience of lifetime for me. Anyways had the usual wild stuff but in the middle of it I thought to give it a try for BBFS & while stroking I stopped & took out the cover, started doing it bare from behind, she first got little uncomfortable but didn't stopped me as she also was enjoying it on the pick. Got the stuff done & both of us shattered on the bed, it was then she shared we that she didn't get DATY that often & her willingness to like it much. We exchanged contacts cleaned up & I started to leave when she asked me have a tip as it was BBFS. She had a receipt paper on which we have to mark the tip if we want to give which starts from 200 k, 300 k,500 k & 1 M. I ticked 200 k which she made sad face so I ticked 300 k as I was super happy with the experience. Got out & settled the bill of 1. 6 k including the 300 k tip & a beer.

Miss be.

Face 9 (natural cute face).

Be**BS 8.

Fig 9 right amount of meat at right place.

Attitude 10.

Exp 9.

WIR I already did repeat her.

Got out at around 7. 30 pm had some food next door as there are some good restaurants near EMP. Booked my grab & reached Royal bar in KI (next door to starmoon) at around 9. It has good ambience have around 40-50 girls around, I settled down & ordered my beer, mama came, discussed the type of girl I am looking & after 10 minutes came with a cute & tall girl named Nani or Nancy I guess. Tried to communicate with her through translator, she ordered a pack of cigarette & I continued with my beer, Mama told me it will be 400 k for a hour & I decided to go & settled the bill maybe around 570 k. Got in room, both cleaned up & proceeded to bed in which she started putting her tantrums of not letting her touched, only namesake BJ. I got the message that it will not be enjoyable one so I told her put the cover & started thrusting as much as quickly as I can. 5-10 mints of pounding & I was done, cleaned up & said no tip because of your bad attitude & she accepted her fault, came downstairs & started to leave, Mama got me on the bar door to ask about exp. I said it was not good & she apologized & said next time she will try to give good girl. Anyways its part of mongering You hit some good ones along with bad too.

Then headed to starmoon, similar setup but prices are 350 K & 400 K for FLs. Selected a girl from 350 K Anya, short slim girl with good assets, chitchatted her over the beer & proceeded to the room. Same routine of cleanup & the deed, I must say she was very friendly & great response in bed, DFK, BJ, DATY, multiple positions everything was great. After the deed, we spent some good 15 minutes cuddling each other in bed she wanted to stay with me more & said if can buy 5 vouchers (I. E. 350 kx5) for her she wants to join me in my room for night. I was exhausted & needed to rest as it was already around 2 am, told her will try to take her next night which she understood, exchanged contacts tipped her 50 k she got delighted & parted away.

Called for night & took a good sleep.

Day 3 Classic spa, EMP, MTR.

Got up at around 1 pm ordered my breakfast from grab & got freshen up. Today my plan was clear to burn calories / money to classic spa & 2nd floor, then hit to starmoon & take last night girl out to my apartment for night. Reached classic spa in basement at 3 pm, took badge enjoyed sauna & got sitted in main hall for having look on the available girls while slipping my beer. It was a bit early that time 8-9 girls that time & girls were still coming as it was nearing 4 pm only, mama called the lineup didn't liked any sent them back. Waited for some time & seen a new girl Venia waking in & sitting on the couch of 600 k tag called mam & selected her. Chatted with her for some time through translator & went to room. It was on the room when she took off her clothes I released I got a pearl there. She was not less then a 9 with 165 cm having DD on slim waist she was a rare found in classic, but shy as she was new there as she told. It was a blissful 50 minutes or so & I enjoyed it whole. Got contacts exchanged & tipped her 50 K on which she laughed so I added 50 k more & we parted with kiss. Got out & settled the bill & stopped on the ground floor to eat. It was around 5 pm & received a WA from Emporium girl which I met yesterday, she was interested in meeting me too for tonight if I want. I said why not deal fixed for 2 M from 7 pm to 8 am. I reached my apartment & waited for her she reached around 7. 30 pm, OMG she is was looking so cute in normal attires. It was a wonderful experience we drunk, ate danced & of course the intense love making in between, mind you it was all BBFS & it felt more like exchanging emotions not just stocks a pure GFE. I find out that she is very much fond of sex & likes it much if her partner knows how to play properly with tongue & fingers, it makes her so much wild & horny I just can't put that in words brothers. Anyways as all things needs to end the night ended & in morning we both didn't want to get away, but she needs to reach to EMP for work & I need to have some serious sleep we parted away.

It was a hell of experience which I will take to my grave, kind of makes me horny whenever I remembered it.

Day 4.

After last thrilling night took some rest got up at 2 pm, got ready & reached classic spa as it's the one which starts earliest for the action. Selected a girl from 600 k pool & she was a small size bomb in the room, small built but see cups & a tiny waist with cute face unfortunately I forget her name (my mind was still in shock of last night exp.) , refused to BBFS but it was fine for me stocked her properly & after some cuddling with 100 k tip for her performance & digits exchanged. Settle the bill & just before I was going upstairs to 2nd floor received the wa from last night / EMP. Girl again. She liked it so much she wants to meet me today also, but she can't come for night as her boss in EMP. Will not allow so she wants to come around 7 pm & will leave at 12 am midnight. I was thrilling from inside, but I told her babes we just spend last night doing the same stuff on which she offered she will bring her friend from EMP. With her if I want. A proper 3 some in my apartment, now that's what was new to me I said ok & deal set for 7 pm, frankly speaking I was a bit worried because of the reported 3 sum experiences of classic in this forum by some of the follow mongers. But it was all fumed away.

Girls reached my place on time & her friend named venicia was also pretty sexy with DDs & fair skin & nice figure little tummy but she was young & meat at right places must be a 8 or at least solid 7. In room we drink little bit chatted watched some videos & then I took the initiative & started kissing both of them, her goes the dress & motions getting intense & I started licking & finger action on Veni & got her aroused mean while my fav was working on me giving be a great sloppy BJ, kissing all over. Then I took attention of be. Made her horny & told her friend to play with other also which she first shy but was on toes after arousing. Pulled V. Down & inserted in her & kept on playing with be. She was already wet & I can feel it by my tool. Took turn & inserted in be. & stroked her. Next 25-30 minutes was intense sex in all possible position & manner. It was wild, it was wet & was amazing. We all shattered on the bed to catch up our breaths & laughing seeing each other face. Ordered sushi & had some more beer with cigs, enjoyed food & we all were ready for another round. It was an experience brother seriously no cover or any restriction I can simply pull out from one & insert in other no stopping or any consideration just wild fucking. Finished the deed, we all got cleaned up with our lips in each other. Dressed up & ready to part at around 12 am. They booked grab for themselves & I handed 1 M each to both of them (they didn't ask any amount from me, but I thought its worth tipping them).

I took a short nap to come over this mesmerizing encounter. Booked grab at around 1 am to MTR. Check out the collection & atmosphere which is better then others in KI. 400 k for 1 hour same here also but more girls like I guess 100-150 minimum & quality of girls is slightly better than royal or starmoon. Asked mama for a tall & slim girl, she shown line up selected one young girl with the cups bazookas just because she was smiling & hinting me to take her. Didn't remember the name but is was great in bed & attitude was much submissive & friendly, was ok with BBFS even I didn't bothered t ask just inserted the tool she didn't complained. Enjoyed for some time then finished in her, we cleaned up I tipped 50 k she was happy with it.

Came down to bar had another beer & called for night.

The FR is getting long brothers so needs to split it in another part. Will post it soon as I get time from workaholic lifestyle.

& yes I generously wants to share one tip with the fellow monger here that as far as I have observed girls in here are very much in sex & are truly very horny & they didn't get enough of it as much as they want not even WGs. Most of the girls didn't have a good DATY or someone them even don't know about it. But all these girls love it so much & that's the only reason I think most of them were very much involved in the act with me & that's the key of success here I guess.

Bro, if it smells good, looks good, feels good then why not do DATY & make her mad for you. I do it if girl is clean & smell good & I love it all this tongue action whether lips or p**sy.

Finally, I just loved Jakarta, it's a must go destination for all the monger. Yes things are not open as much open in BKK or Phil but girls over here are very much different they are shy in public but wild in bed & are very involved / generous towards the act, not like other destinations where most of the girls are too much mechanical.

Until next time have fun & fuck buddies.

& feel free to ask any query if I am able to help will feel grt.

Terima kasih.[/QUOTE]

Great detailed report. Thank you. I am visiting next week, will try to post as much as possible.

[QUOTE=Jshah23;2930223]HI all,

As some of you know I had my first trip to Jakarta from 29 -7 of this month, I must say it's one of mongering paradise which have pretty much for every monger out there.

This forum is super helpful hat off to you guys for your contributions. Without the lights of Super, BB, Devsagar & many others this trip wasn't possible & maybe my soul will then be never unearthed heheh. So as promised here are the details & tips for this heaven.

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[QUOTE=SuperLove;2930662]This is a freaking mongering forum and not visa counselling services. Get over this loser and move it to a different field.

One more reason why this forum has become uninteresting. Google your visa services needs and requirements elsewhere. Go get a life dude![/QUOTE]What's with the aggressive post dude, way out of line. Just ignore if you ain't interested. He responded to my query which the mods could move to the general thread but relates to a post here. I assume you ain't one of the mods? No need to respond as this thread is for one purpose only in your eyes.

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After breakfast I did a couple of touristy things and walked around in China town which isn't really that far from Holiday inn. Sinds Holiday Inn is one of the hotels that is mentioned a lot by ISG members I write this report. Went back to the hotel and saw some flyers for in-house massage so I made a appointment for 90 min Aroma Therapy. Traditional massage 60 min 250 k, 120 min 400 k, Aroma therapy 60 min 300 k, 90 min 325 k). The massage would take place in my room (the spa at the hotel was closed I assumed it usually takes place there). Either way I was fine with that, so went to my room and took a shower before the massage. After 15 min my doorbel ringed and a masseuse was standing at the door. Nice lady I think she was in her late 40's dressed nicely not to sexy but she looked good. Maybe in her prime years I would've totally do her, but not now. Any way I got fully naked, she didn't, and I laid face down (by the way the massage setup was just with a blanket on my bed). I got a real good back and leg massage after a while she asked me to turn and massages me on the front, I got a semi hard on and she noticed it then she asked if I wanted a HJ for 1 million, I think that would be the total price 325 k massage + 675 k for the extra service I laughed and said no thank you, she lowered her price to + 500 k for the extra service but still I declined. In the back of my head I thought there are 50+ young 20 year olds waiting for me in hotel classic or travel who provide more for less. So why waste my holly water on this? LOL. She finished the normal massage, gave her a little tip and of she went. So for those who are staying in Holiday Inn there is an extra option to bust a load if the price is ok for you and the masseuses are your type. I must admit it is very convenient to do it in your own room right on the spot (maybe on a rainy day) P.S. Sometimes some masseuse stand in front of the elevators in the early evening looking for clients.

Part2 at Hotel Classic.

[QUOTE=MrMiyaG;2930935]Part1.
<snip>
I got fully naked, she didn't, and I laid face down (by the way the massage setup was with a blanket on my bed). I got a real good back massage after a while she asked me to turn and massages me on the front, I got a semi hard on and she noticed it then she asked if I wanted a HJ for 1 million, I think that would be the total price 325 k massage + 675 k for the extra service I laughed and said no thank you, she went to + 500 k for the extra service but still I declined. <snip> [/QUOTE]Good to know about the In-Room massage and the price drop to 500K for the "extra" service. LOL!
For 500K, I would expect her to get fully naked and allow me to touch her private parts etc.

Did she use oil OR just do a dry massage?

Thanks,
~BKK

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2931104]Good to know about the In-Room massage and the price drop to 500K for the "extra" service. LOL!
For 500K, I would expect her to get fully naked and allow me to touch her private parts etc.

Did she use oil OR just do a dry massage?

Thanks,
~BKK[/QUOTE]Yeah the price she quoted me wasn't worth it since I know what talent is out there. Maybe if I'the agreed to it she also would get naked and I would have acces to her? Guess we will leave that part for other ISG members to find out.

The massage on its own was a good oil massage (Aroma Therapy) with good pressure.

I was at grand hotel mercure harmoni and they had in room massage as well. I went to their fitness level and the manager showed me some 20-25 photos on the iPad and asked me for top 3. I did and selected one. Paid about 600 k-800 k. And she came to room and I asked her to undress immediately and she quote 1-1. 2 juta and I said no. She continued with massage but when she realised I wasn't falling for it she reduced the asking and offered HJ and undressed. I enjoyed but did not finish as I saved my holy cum for classic and emporium. She was of course not happy but I did give her some tip. Bucket list ticked off, but in my eyes not worth it. Better to go for a professional massage nearby unless you are really horny and cannot hold on. Girl was mid to late 30's and not worth the spending. To do or not to do your call. For me city has so much to offer, One advise for punters. Make your finish count because this city has endless opportunities and options. Enjoy and report.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2931104]Good to know about the In-Room massage and the price drop to 500K for the "extra" service. LOL!
For 500K, I would expect her to get fully naked and allow me to touch her private parts etc.

Did she use oil OR just do a dry massage?

Thanks,
~BKK[/QUOTE]

It's becoming more and more common these days. I had once, a FUGLY 50+ quoted 800 k for HJ. I was like, I would take the money out from my right pocket and put it in left and give myself one. Won't say no to a young good looking one though.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2931104]Good to know about the In-Room massage and the price drop to 500K for the "extra" service. LOL!
For 500K, I would expect her to get fully naked and allow me to touch her private parts etc.

Did she use oil OR just do a dry massage?

Thanks,
~BKK[/QUOTE]

Reached there just around 6 pm. There were 10-15 girls of both 1. 25 and 1. 45 m variety. Couldn't get myself to pick any in the lower priced category. In higher priced, only found 2 girls beautiful. The one who knew english refused to give BBBJ so I took a chance with the other one. I was in hurry, so skipped the spa. In the room, hhe told me her name is kelly and she is 20. Her boobs were large and natural, but service wise she turned to be horrible. Gave me BBBJ but it was very light. She allowed me to kiss her lips, but no where else on the face or neck, stating that her makeup will go bad.

When we started the main act, it was clear BBFS not even an option. She had trouble in missionary positioning after 5-7 minutes of fucking. There was some pre-cum in the condom and when I wanted to switch, she said I am done. It was a struggle explaining that I was not. I said I will finish in mouth, but there again after a minute of BJ, she said I am too big for her mouth. She did not have more than 1 condom, so we were at an impasse. She again insisted I was done. I was totally turned off by now and it did not make sense to argue further. Left the room, paid 1. 45 m and told mamasan that I was not happy.

Compared to Bangkok, I liked that girls are all natural boobs. Language is also an issue it seems. I know this was a single bad incidence, but I cannot convince myself to leave Bangkok and come to Jakarta for mongering.

Quick one. Thanks everyone for inputs. I can confirm that Jakarta airport allows foreigners with EVOA to use the automatic gates. Just need the QR code (either on the mobile or the print out).

Does anyone know from what time of the day are there enough girls here for a visit?

[QUOTE=TempStories;2931331]Does anyone know from what time of the day are there enough girls here for a visit?[/QUOTE]From my experience there is no set answer. Believe they open at 2 pm, girls come in different shifts, 2,4,5 and maybe 6 and later. If you are lucky you might find your dream girl at 2 pm sometimes you can't even find a girl that is ticking of all your boxes at the peak of the night. For me the sweet spot is between 4 and 6, when the girls are still semi "fresh", not to many other customers, not so much sig smoke in the room (I'm not a smoker) and music isn't that loud yet. Only downfall is the mamas will be little more aggressive pushing their girls because there aren't many customers yet.

You acted like a rookie. I mentioned on the forum many times not all girls will give all services and this happens everywhere classic travel emporium 1001 Jakarta Bangkok Manila. I think you acted like a newbie or played over smart, in either case this didn't help you. You should have read the forum and flipped a few pages, expected you'll get super par services in just a walk in. Most guys out here are extremely satisfied. Girl sensed you are a rookie punter and you got played. PM me. Cheers.

[QUOTE=TempStories;2931286]Reached there just around 6 pm. There were 10-15 girls of both 1. 25 and 1. 45 m variety. Couldn't get myself to pick any in the lower priced category. In higher priced, only found 2 girls beautiful. The one who knew english refused to give BBBJ so I took a chance with the other one. I was in hurry, so skipped the spa. In the room, hhe told me her name is kelly and she is 20. Her boobs were large and natural, but service wise she turned to be horrible. Gave me BBBJ but it was very light. She allowed me to kiss her lips, but no where else on the face or neck, stating that her makeup will go bad.

When we started the main act, it was clear BBFS not even an option. She had trouble in missionary positioning after 5-7 minutes of fucking. There was some pre-cum in the condom and when I wanted to switch, she said I am done. It was a struggle explaining that I was not. I said I will finish in mouth, but there again after a minute of BJ, she said I am too big for her mouth. She did not have more than 1 condom, so we were at an impasse. She again insisted I was done. I was totally turned off by now and it did not make sense to argue further. Left the room, paid 1. 45 m and told mamasan that I was not happy.

Compared to Bangkok, I liked that girls are all natural boobs. Language is also an issue it seems. I know this was a single bad incidence, but I cannot convince myself to leave Bangkok and come to Jakarta for mongering.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TempStories;2931286]
When we started the main act, it was clear BBFS not even an option. She had trouble in missionary positioning after 5-7 minutes of fucking. There was some pre-cum in the condom and when I wanted to switch, she said I am done. It was a struggle explaining that I was not. I said I will finish in mouth, but there again after a minute of BJ, she said I am too big for her mouth. She did not have more than 1 condom, so we were at an impasse. She again insisted I was done. I was totally turned off by now and it did not make sense to argue further. Left the room, paid 1. 45 m and told mamasan that I was not happy.

Compared to Bangkok, I liked that girls are all natural boobs. Language is also an issue it seems. I know this was a single bad incidence, but I cannot convince myself to leave Bangkok and come to Jakarta for mongering.[/QUOTE]In recent times, this is the first reported negative experience in Emporium.
If I paid 1.45 Juta, I would be pissed too.

You selected this girl on your own without consulting Mamasan. Is this correct? When you complained to Mamasan, what was her reaction?

The language barrier is a HUGE issue in Indonesia. For some reason, it does not get much coverage in this forum. Without Google Translator, I would not even bother visiting Indonesia.
Conversely, if you can speak Indonesian, you will be in the drivers seat.

Jakarta is NOT Bangkok. Not everyone will like Jakarta. This has been posted here multiple times.
Jakarta, as a city, is classic 3rd world: broken sidewalks, open sewers and perennial traffic jams. For those who love to walk, Jakarta is not for you.

~BKK

Yes I did select on my own. Mamasan just smiled when I told her. May be I should have shown more disappointment. Most of my conversation with the girl was on google translate only, but language does create a big barrier in Jakarta.

I am sure both BKK and Jakarta are mongering heavens. I compared the two since I was seriously thinking of shifting my target to Jakarta after reading all the reports on the forum, but as you rightly said, Jakarta is not my cup of tea.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2931376]In recent times, this is the first reported negative experience in Emporium.
If I paid 1.45 Juta, I would be pissed too.

You selected this girl on your own without consulting Mamasan. Is this correct? When you complained to Mamasan, what was her reaction?

The language barrier is a HUGE issue in Indonesia. For some reason, it does not get much coverage in this forum. Without Google Translator, I would not even bother visiting Indonesia.
Conversely, if you can speak Indonesian, you will be in the drivers seat.

Jakarta is NOT Bangkok. Not everyone will like Jakarta. This has been posted here multiple times.
Jakarta, as a city, is classic 3rd world: broken sidewalks, open sewers and perennial traffic jams. For those who love to walk, Jakarta is not for you.

~BKK[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2931376]In recent times, this is the first reported negative experience in Emporium.
If I paid 1.45 Juta, I would be pissed too.

You selected this girl on your own without consulting Mamasan. Is this correct? When you complained to Mamasan, what was her reaction?

The language barrier is a HUGE issue in Indonesia. For some reason, it does not get much coverage in this forum. Without Google Translator, I would not even bother visiting Indonesia.
Conversely, if you can speak Indonesian, you will be in the drivers seat.

Jakarta is NOT Bangkok. Not everyone will like Jakarta. This has been posted here multiple times.
Jakarta, as a city, is classic 3rd world: broken sidewalks, open sewers and perennial traffic jams. For those who love to walk, Jakarta is not for you.

~BKK[/QUOTE]He paid 1. 45 he should have got top service. I don't see how consulting mama or papasan before picking would make any difference in this instance. The girls remain seated if they don't want to go with you.

He should have got a Decent service.

[QUOTE=Delbo1;2931444]He paid 1. 45 he should have got top service. I don't see how consulting mama or papasan before picking would make any difference in this instance. The girls remain seated if they don't want to go with you. [/QUOTE] Please read Post# 18122 from SuperLove.

Honestly, my experience's at this place have been one of my best ones in my mongering journey. I was crystal clear cut and specific with my requirements openly stated to Mamasan what I was looking for and my message was conveyed to the chick in her native language. She delivered and made it a memorable and fulfilling experience. I do not know why you did not convey your needs to the Mamasan before finalizing the chick. I am damn sure if you would have, certainly it would not have happened what happened. I am truly amazed to see your FR of negative experience.

Regards.

[QUOTE=TempStories;2931286]Reached there just around 6 pm. There were 10-15 girls of both 1. 25 and 1. 45 m variety. Couldn't get myself to pick any in the lower priced category. In higher priced, only found 2 girls beautiful. The one who knew english refused to give BBBJ so I took a chance with the other one. I was in hurry, so skipped the spa. In the room, hhe told me her name is kelly and she is 20. Her boobs were large and natural, but service wise she turned to be horrible. Gave me BBBJ but it was very light. She allowed me to kiss her lips, but no where else on the face or neck, stating that her makeup will go bad.

When we started the main act, it was clear BBFS not even an option. She had trouble in missionary positioning after 5-7 minutes of fucking. There was some pre-cum in the condom and when I wanted to switch, she said I am done. It was a struggle explaining that I was not. I said I will finish in mouth, but there again after a minute of BJ, she said I am too big for her mouth. She did not have more than 1 condom, so we were at an impasse. She again insisted I was done. I was totally turned off by now and it did not make sense to argue further. Left the room, paid 1. 45 m and told mamasan that I was not happy.

Compared to Bangkok, I liked that girls are all natural boobs. Language is also an issue it seems. I know this was a single bad incidence, but I cannot convince myself to leave Bangkok and come to Jakarta for mongering.[/QUOTE]

Later that day around 3 pm I ordered Grab and went to hotel Classic. When I arrived the couches on the left hand side where basically empty with just a hand full of girls. Most of the girls where sitting on the right side of the entrance. Mamas came running to me but I ignored them and sat on one of the barstool to scan the talent. Ordered a drink and one mama called her girls for a line up. Without asking me what I'm looking or what my type is these line up are dumb and I decline most of them. Sometimes these poor girls have to walk all across the room in their heels (like recently born calves) just to walk back because the customer don't want them. Anyway with my drink I walked the room and got a little closer to the girls but couldn't find anything that I was looking for and sat down again (maybe I was to picky that day). One mama came to me and told me I think I have a girl for you, you would like. Her name was Kiki young, I think she said 19, slim, no baby showed me a picture of her on her phone but I couldn't see her clearly so I said ok let me meet her. Mama said she is still in the dressing room getting ready to start her workday, mama walked in a couple of times to check up on her and she send her straight to me. I was happy when I saw her, very cute girl ticked all of my boxes, "talked" (google translate) a little bit paid mama the 365 k and left her the change and went to the room. In my experience Kiki is the type of girl that knows she hot and act a certain way, a little full of herself checking herself out in the mirror playing with her hair, fixing her dress etc. Either way we got undressed got in the shower, nice slim body I played a little with her little tits and pussy she didn't mind. We went to bed got a little listerine wipedown and she gave a good no condom BJ. She put on the condom and went on top and rode me a good couple of min, I took control again and I fucked her this time in all other positions. Went to doggy she was loving it looking at herself in the mirror being rammed. I also liked the view, it's like watching your own porno movie. I finished in that position, we cleaned up, gave her a little tip and we walked our separate ways. Back on the floor I sat on one of the barstools again mama saw me and came back to me and asked me how Kiki was, I said she's good and I'm happy. I gave mama a 50 k tip. I talked a little with her she ended up giving me her WhatsApp number telling me when a new girl comes or one that is my type she will message me. I also asked her about taking girls out to my hotel. She said it is possible she then took out her phone calculator and wrote 6*365 k= 2190 k. That is the working time the girl has left on her shift that day. I don't know how much of that money goes to the girl. She did gave me a deal and removed one session and the take out price would have been 5*. I declined but it's good to know what is possible.

I did arranged something with a girl from classic but that is for another report.

[QUOTE=MrMiyaG;2931122]Yeah the price she quoted me wasn't worth it since I know what talent is out there. Maybe if I'the agreed to it she also would get naked and I would have acces to her? Guess we will leave that part for other ISG members to find out.

The massage on its own was a good oil massage (Aroma Therapy) with good pressure.[/QUOTE]Just wanted to add some info I have regarding this. I try this every time when there is an in-room massage option at the hotel as I prefer MILF type women. Trust me, Indonesian women are too soft when are aged. These hotel masseuses are mostly 35+ or 40+. Maybe they move to these chain hotel after they are too old and kicked out of sexy massage places. What I have tried is a handjob from these masseuses. I have never asked for sex so I am not sure if they offer it.

First time I in 2017 when I was in Bali, I had to re-route my return flight via Surabaya as there was a volcano eruption and flights were being cancelled from DPS. I was staying at Ibis Surabaya Airport Hotel. They did not have a in-room massage and said it is a separate place. When I visited their spa, it was a surprise. It was a normal guest room which they use solely for spa purpose. I was shy and did not initiate any talks but she asked if I want a "Special Service" for 2 mill. I was asking for 600 K but later negotiated it down to 800 k (Don't get angry. I know it is too high for a HJ. I was too young and did not know the local prices). I initially rejected the offer thinking it was 800 K+400 K spa fee. Later she was mourning that out of 800 K offer she gave, 400 k goes to hotel for the massage. That is when I knew it was including massage fee. Anyways it was a basic experience and I had less knowledge in mongering and more excited which led to lots of mistakes.

With respect to Jakarta, I have been twice so far. First time I stayed in Ibis Styles (Tanah Abang. Dec 2022) and the second time it was Holiday Inn (Gajah Madah. Mar 2024). Both hotels had this in-room massage option. Being an extreme introvert (sorry for my personal sob story), I was shy to ask the masseuse at Ibis but she initiated the talks when I turned around during the massage. The prices are always including the massage cost. At ibis, she undressed her top and gave me top access, BBBJ and HJ. She used some random jasmine oil.

Fast forward a year later (2024 March) I visited Jakarta for a short 3 day trip. This time I stayed at Holiday Inn and I was well prepared to ask straight away.

Day 1, when the masseuse arrived at the door I had my requirement written and translated on google translate. As soon as she entered, I confirmed her if she does extra service. My plan is not to proceed explaining or showing translation if they don't understand "extra service" in any country but so far it has never failed in any of the in-room massages because mostly they understand this word. She said yes, and I immediately showed her my translation of what I want on the app. They always quote 2 mil to start with. This time I had my negotiation arguments ready as I was following this forum before my second trip. I countered her offer saying Classic and Travel do everything including sex for 350 k-400 k. So I am not doing anything more than 400 k. She countered back saying 500 k (this is again including the 90 minute hotel spa fee). Deal accepted and I was excited as it was my first day of my trip. Fully naked, showered, hugged, kissed a lot, gave nice BBBJ and then a handjob to finish. There was time still left, so she did a basic massage using hands (no oil) while being naked. Job done. Tipped her extra 50 k as I liked it. Nice experience as I like such women with a comfort of my own room.

Day 3 of the same trip, I requested for another in-room service. Same process. This time there was some drama by the masseuse with negotiations starting with 2 mil which I rejected. So she started with massage first and almost 15 minutes later she kept asking for 1 mil. I repeated the same classic, travel - 350 k story to her and she was arguing back saying that is different and this is different. I did not care. I also told her that 2 days back even at Holiday Inn I did it for 400 k (I did for 500 K but I lied, haha) and later she was OK to do it at 500 k (again including 90 minute hotel spa fee). She was a drama queen. She did what I wanted but I did not like the negotiations and drama. Also, she did not allow me to kiss as good as the previous lady. So no tip. So in both cases at Holiday Inn, it was fully naked, BBBJ, HJ.

The experience is a hit and miss and depends on the girl but basic needs are sorted. I also collected numbers from both these ladies at Holiday Inn. When I texted the Day 1 lady (as I liked her experience a lot than the Day 3) if she was available to visit outside her work hours, she said she will be interested to visit but not while I was at Holiday Inn. My trip was a short one and I did not stay outside of Holiday Inn. So it was not possible for me. Next time I am planning to book mercure or some other hotel for one or two nights to try and invite her all included for a night. Lets see if it works.

I understand that there is an option to get a full on sex experience in Classic, Travel, Emporium but maybe there are someone like me who will find this useful as I prefer comfort of in-room options. Also, I am yet to visit Classic, Travel. I really want to visit but the experiences I read about these places make me feel that it will be overwhelming for me with mamasans forcing to pick their girl. Maybe I will get some courage to visit these places in my next trip soon.

If you go to a high end spa you expect a real professional massage for everyone that walks through the door. The same good service for a high end brothel. The same for a high end restaurant you expect plates and metal utensils and not styro foam plates and plastic utensils. But SuperLove and BKKguru you believe TempStories bad service is because he was a newbie? Unreal.

She seems like she gives bad service to most guys except the few she likes. Kind of like the "quiet quitting" working scenario. I had a girl a few days ago who did not want me to unzip her dress (red flag). She undressed in the shower (red flag). Came out with the towel on and her bra still on (red flag). Pulled her bra down like I was supposed to suck on them with her bra on (final straw). I got dressed quickly and ran downstairs to talk to the mamasan. They gave me a new girl with no additional payment. I have had 30 girls by this time so I know what I am doing. So my question for SuperLove and BKKguru. If I was a newbie this would be ok and be my fault?

Talking to the mamasan is mostly a useless endeavor with only a 20% success rate. They are always pushing girls with few customers or who need money and I do not want. I make motions of slim with big boobs like I am playing charades. You would have to be retarded to not be able to understand. No language or customs understanding required. When I reject the girl they send me they always say "good service, good service".

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2931376]In recent times, this is the first reported negative experience in Emporium.
If I paid 1.45 Juta, I would be pissed too.

You selected this girl on your own without consulting Mamasan. Is this correct? When you complained to Mamasan, what was her reaction?

The language barrier is a HUGE issue in Indonesia. For some reason, it does not get much coverage in this forum. Without Google Translator, I would not even bother visiting Indonesia.
Conversely, if you can speak Indonesian, you will be in the drivers seat.

Jakarta is NOT Bangkok. Not everyone will like Jakarta. This has been posted here multiple times.
Jakarta, as a city, is classic 3rd world: broken sidewalks, open sewers and perennial traffic jams. For those who love to walk, Jakarta is not for you.

~BKK[/QUOTE]Mr. BKK is correct. I'm a long-time resident and typically use tinder to identify girls to come to me. Let them deal with the traffic. Always VC beforehand and am clear about expectations (my Indonesian is good). Nonetheless, I still get a dud now and again, but my success rate is still well over 90%. I would not want to be a new visitor trying to negotiate the traffic in this megacity on my own. Bangkok is much easier to deal with even if you don't know much Thai.

This is how Jakarta is different or at least emporium. The Mamasan knows you are paying good money and would want good service so if you ask them in advance it always helps and they will go the extra mile to make sure you are satisfied. I said not all girls will provide all services. Some are happy to provide BBFS and some don't, those who don't may offer anal. It's upto you what you want, don't be an expert I say just check with mama before you select and take her to room. Trust me Jakarta is different to thailand and mongers need to realise this. Don't let ego come in your way. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Delbo1;2931444]He paid 1. 45 he should have got top service. I don't see how consulting mama or papasan before picking would make any difference in this instance. The girls remain seated if they don't want to go with you.

He should have got a Decent service.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2931528]This is how Jakarta is different or at least emporium. The Mamasan knows you are paying good money and would want good service so if you ask them in advance it always helps and they will go the extra mile to make sure you are satisfied. I said not all girls will provide all services. Some are happy to provide BBFS and some don't, those who don't [B]may offer anal. [/B]It's upto you what you want, don't be an expert I say just check with mama before you select and take her to room. Trust me Jakarta is different to thailand and mongers need to realise this. Don't let ego come in your way. Cheers.[/QUOTE]I will be visiting Jakarta soon. I've mongered all over. I presume anal is rare in Jakarta. Am I correct? Also, if a girl declines BBFS, will she provide bareback anal?

If I may add few bullet points SuperLove.

1. Whatever the hunting and punting experience one has, should not be compared to Jakarta. Of course utilize that experience but what's the point of comparing to Apple with Orange. Won't be the same. Treat Jakarta like it likes to be treated.

2. Jakarta is unique its own way, we are not their major source of bread and butter, unlike Thailand Cambodia Laos Vietnam, Jakarta scene is dominated by locals. We only chip in a small percentage.

3. Most importantly, like SuperLove said, clarify your desire with Mami / Handler, specially if it's an High End place like Emporium KC Malio. People seem to overlook this part while reading reports.

4. Another key factor is timing. Thursday Friday Saturday some cases Sunday tends to be more full house compared to the rest of the week. Not saying any of these places are closed during weekdays but less quantity leading to decline in quality but then could be the opposite due to desperation of money.

5 lastly, there will always be a starfish whom you may get stuck with, that can happen in anywhere. Factor this in before shelling out cash.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2931528]This is how Jakarta is different or at least emporium. The Mamasan knows you are paying good money and would want good service so if you ask them in advance it always helps and they will go the extra mile to make sure you are satisfied. I said not all girls will provide all services. Some are happy to provide BBFS and some don't, those who don't may offer anal. It's upto you what you want, don't be an expert I say just check with mama before you select and take her to room. Trust me Jakarta is different to thailand and mongers need to realise this. Don't let ego come in your way. Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2931528]This is how Jakarta is different or at least emporium. The Mamasan knows you are paying good money and would want good service so if you ask them in advance it always helps and they will go the extra mile to make sure you are satisfied. I said not all girls will provide all services. Some are happy to provide BBFS and some don't, those who don't may offer anal. It's upto you what you want, don't be an expert I say just check with mama before you select and take her to room. Trust me Jakarta is different to thailand and mongers need to realise this. Don't let ego come in your way. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Not at all don't get me wrong I don't have ego I accept when I'm wrong, I'm trying to help it didn't make sense to ask the papasan, I'm definitely not an expert and always keen to learn.

I see your point now about asking what girl he would recommend. I wasn't aware you could ask the papasan which ones do anal, without condom etc I thought that was frowned upon.
I think you got me mixed up with replying to superlove69 post.

[QUOTE=DevSagar;2931452]Honestly, my experience's at this place have been one of my best ones in my mongering journey. I was crystal clear cut and specific with my requirements openly stated to Mamasan what I was looking for and my message was conveyed to the chick in her native language. She delivered and made it a memorable and fulfilling experience. I do not know why you did not convey your needs to the Mamasan before finalizing the chick. I am damn sure if you would have, certainly it would not have happened what happened. I am truly amazed to see your FR of negative experience.

Regards.[/QUOTE]Forgive me for asking but what are your requirements when you talk to the mamasa? Do you ask for bare, anal etc? I was under the impression you can't ask for that as it's not allowed.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2931528]This is how Jakarta is different or at least emporium. The Mamasan knows you are paying good money and would want good service so if you ask them in advance it always helps and they will go the extra mile to make sure you are satisfied. I said not all girls will provide all services. Some are happy to provide BBFS and some don't, those who don't may offer anal. It's upto you what you want, don't be an expert I say just check with mama before you select and take her to room. Trust me Jakarta is different to thailand and mongers need to realise this. Don't let ego come in your way. Cheers.[/QUOTE]I think you got me mixed up with loveithere69.

My first and foremost requirement is DFK; in fact, that's a need for me because without it I simply cannot perform. I have rejected many beautiful chicks including models during my travels, SA chicks and a lot of spa girls where I reside. My belief is that DFK is a first stage of intimacy. DFK, BJ without condom; I never do bareback as I am scared and never will. No anal as well as I am not a big fan of it. I convey this where ever and whomsoever I fuck. Basically, without DFK, it is not a GFE experience.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Delbo1;2931629]Forgive me for asking but what are your requirements when you talk to the mamasa? Do you ask for bare, anal etc? I was under the impression you can't ask for that as it's not allowed.[/QUOTE]

Sorry mate, I replied to you already but forgot one line to add. I also convey to the mamasan that I do not need a petite, small, tiny or a slim girl, I like reasonably figured girls, big boobs and I was not disappointed with what was recommended to me. Post the recommendation, the girl was brought over to me, message conveyed to her and I did see the chicks nodding her head and off we went. So, no reason to drop her when I saw her saying yes to my desires and physically seeing her in front of me. How I wish Delhi had a better connectivity with Jakarta, Damn.

[QUOTE=Delbo1;2931629]Forgive me for asking but what are your requirements when you talk to the mamasa? Do you ask for bare, anal etc? I was under the impression you can't ask for that as it's not allowed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2931577]if a girl declines BBFS, will she provide bareback anal?[/QUOTE]I certainly hope not.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2931577]I will be visiting Jakarta soon. I've mongered all over. I presume anal is rare in Jakarta. Am I correct? Also, if a girl declines BBFS, will she provide bareback anal?[/QUOTE]Yes, it is very rare. 90% of the girls in Jakarta will decline Anal.
They will not even allow you to touch the Anus.

Note: This is a general statement based on my own experience.

~BKK

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2931481]If you go to a high end spa you expect a real professional massage for everyone that walks through the door. The same good service for a high end brothel. The same for a high end restaurant you expect plates and metal utensils and not styro foam plates and plastic utensils. But SuperLove and BKKguru you believe TempStories bad service is because he was a newbie? Unreal.

[/QUOTE]I will give you an analogy. Upscale Restaurants add a mandatory Tip of 18 or 20% to your bill.
As a Customer you expect A+ or excellent service. But many times, you do not get the service you expected or deserved.

Same with this high-end Spa. You are paying Top Dollar. However, there is NO guarantee you will get the best service. This can happen anywhere including Thailand, Phillipines, Venezuela, Peru and Colombia. By the way, I have been to ALL of these countries. But I digress.

You also missed the point in my last post. He used his instincts to select the girl and this is always hit or miss. If he would have consulted David (Papasan), it would have been a different outcome.

~BKK

Hey community!

Sitting now on my balcony on the 20th floor, enjoying the amazing view of the sunrise over Jakarta with a cup of coffee, I realized that I am living not only the best years of my life but also a life that millions of men around the world cannot afford for one reason or another and can only dream about. For me, it is also not 100% possible to devote a lot of time to our hobby, so I really appreciate those short periods when I have the complete freedom to do what I want. This usually happens when my family and I are apart for a couple of months each year. The rest of the time, when we are together, the hobby is less accessible, but let's say, still doable in a "soft," safer mode. However, many men, even with such desires and freedom, don't pursue it due to moral principles or because they are too indecisive to take the first step toward trying our hobby. Thus, they miss out on a vast world of pleasure, freedom, and joy, with a relatively small community of participants in which we have chosen to be a part.

These thoughts visited me over a morning cup of coffee at the end of my trip to Jakarta, and I realized that I need to become a more active member of the community and share my experience too. In Southeast Asia, this is already the fourth country where I practice this hobby, and it comes close to first place in my ranking, primarily in terms of the quality of the girls, and second in terms of the price / quality ratio.

I flew here from Bangkok two weeks ago, having read on the forum about the huge selection of available women in Classic and Travel hotels.

Week 1:

I decided to start with the Classic Hotel since it was the first one I read about on the forum about Jakarta. The first time it was a bit uncomfortable going there, expecting that many mamasans would not let you look around calmly and choose your "pearl. " Having arrived on a Grab bike for 10 k (less than 1 dollar, hehe, for a trip of 3 km) at 6 pm on Sunday, I asked the security how to get into the club, and they immediately directed me to the 2nd floor, where loud music was coming from. Before entering the hall, they gave you a bracelet at the counter. There were about 7 mothers standing right outside the door, who, yes, attacked, but after a polite "thank you," I stepped aside and none grabbed my hands, as they wrote on the forum. Only one mamasan followed me, pointed to a table to sit at, and sat near me. I ordered a cola to spend some time and exchanged a few words with her. Then she asked - "Want a girl?" - I said, give me 10 minutes to decide. After that, she continued to sit with me, but I was not against it.

There were about 5-10 tables occupied in the hall, most of which were occupied by groups of locals, smoking like locomotives. Behind the rest sat lonely tramps. I expected to see them in the company of ladies, but no, everyone was sitting alone. Around the perimeter of the hall, there were sofas on which girls were clustered; I think there were more than 120 of them in all. Of course, I was shocked by the number, for the first time I saw such a number of women in evening dresses, each of which could end up on my arm in 5 minutes. Although most of them were not my type. I like thin, tall, and small-breasted girls, this atmosphere wildly excited me, and I decided not to linger here any longer and get to action.

I told his mamasan what I cherished, "show me your girls. " It was a little funny when she took out a laser and started shining it at the opposite end of the hall, at the sofa on which about 15 girls were sitting, who immediately perked up, came up and lined up in a line. Of the entire line, there were about 5 that were quite to my taste, and 2 real gems that more than met my criteria, one of which I chose as she seemed more welcoming. I gave mamasan 400 k rupees, and welcomed a girl who, as it turned out, did not speak a word of English, but this was not a problem for me.

She took me by the hand and led me across the hall to the stairs. Funny fact, walking through the hall with a bunch of girls, I had the feeling that I was walking with freshly caught prey hehe, and everyone seemed to envy me, although in fact, everyone was looking and envying her that she had a client, and the rest continued to be bored on the sofas. Going downstairs, the staff showed the room, and then extended their hand and said, "tip" This puzzled me a little and upset me, but I gave the 10 k that were in my pocket, it was clear that they were unhappy, but I didn't care.

I want to describe this time in detail so that you understand all the emotions that I felt in the room. I closed the door, the girl took off her shoes, sat down on the bed and that was it. This, guys, is where all the magic ends. For the next 40 minutes, she did not show any initiative at all, did not make any movements on her part. Okay, I thought, I think she's just started and is shy, reminded me of my first girl in school. Despite the fact that she did not react in any way to my hugs and caresses, she was wearing a very sexy dress, and to my taste, which turned me on very much. Slowly undressing her, I love to undress the girl myself, play with her body in her underwear and then slowly take it off. I gestured to her towards the shower, she shook her head. I didn't go either, since I washed myself in the room half an hour ago.

After that, I put her on the bed, spread her legs and caressed her for 10 minutes. All this time she didn't even touch me. I was still in shorts, I put her hand on my penis, which was noticeably protruding, in the hope that she would understand that she needed to start caressing me, take off my shorts, etc. But no, she just left her hand there, without any movement. I even began to think that she was some kind of weak-minded or something like that. If she were not so beautiful, I would immediately turn around and go for another one, but I just couldn't leave her pussy, which looked like just a strip on the body, without the slightest hint of protruding labia.

So, I took the phone and wrote in the translator, saying, let's do something, otherwise, you will be left without a tip at all. In response, she wrote "condom?" I nodded my head affirmatively, the first time I saw a working girl ask such questions herself. She gave me a condom, which I had to put on myself (the first time in my career myself). At this time, she lubricated herself and lay on her back with her legs spread. Okay, let's get started. She was very tight inside, which couldn't help but please me, and I could barely restrain myself from cumming after a week of abstinence. I thought that since she was so passive and asked about the condom, it would be possible to negotiate with her and dump my week's supply into her mouth, which I really love. I took out and motioned for her to go doggy style, she obeyed. I started fucking her, and she didn't move at all, although this position is very suitable for two people to move. Well, ok, I thought, I'll enjoy it this way.

And so, admiring her ass, the most epic of all fucked up began. A persistent, strong smell began to reach me, and it was not the smell of her pussy, which I had completely examined before, but the smell of working girl shit. I spread her buns and saw that everything was fucking brown there. And she * should have understood this before and refused to take a shower before the act! In general, it's hard to express my emotions in words, but I still decided to finish quickly, which took 15 seconds for me (I'm good at controlling this process after taking half of the pill of the Super Kamagra bought in BKK). Without saying a word, I went into the shower, quickly got dressed, and left, leaving her there alone. Went out into the hall, walked around it in search of my mamasan to scold her for the whole situation, but did not see her there. After sitting at the table for 10 minutes, I still didn't see her. I went to the cashier, paid about 30 k for entry and a coke, and left.

The first impression of Jakarta was a complete failure. After all this, I was depressed all week, I didn't want to go to such places anymore and was haunted by the thought that the best sex is sex with wife.

So, after losing a week of freedom, I decided to go to Emporium, which became one of the best experiences of my career, and made me go there every fucking day, during my second week in Jakarta.

To be continued.

Honestly I can't say if its rare or not. I can say I got it at classic & emporium. And monger friend, it was just analogy. I mean there may be some girls out there who are more comfortable and prefer anal to BBFS. Mind you I know a fair no of girls in middle east who will go anal and would prefer to keep their pussies covered for marriage. Better to PM me, cheers.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2931577]I will be visiting Jakarta soon. I've mongered all over. I presume anal is rare in Jakarta. Am I correct? Also, if a girl declines BBFS, will she provide bareback anal?[/QUOTE]

Bro, don't go around asking mama / mami as to who gives anal or BBFS, not on and you might just upset them. Alternatively, just ask who is more 'open minded', for example I told my guy I want a top girl with a great attitude and service levels must be a sure shot 9. And I leave it to him (in this case) to choose for me. So if she doesn't perform I can come back to him and complain. I remember, only that one time I selected and he just smiled back and let me be. Her attitude and performance was just ordinary in room and when I came back and told him, his reply 'what can I do mr you selected her, I knew she is not your type'. Conclusion, for me. At high end places leave it with mamis.

[QUOTE=Delbo1;2931626]Not at all don't get me wrong I don't have ego I accept when I'm wrong, I'm trying to help it didn't make sense to ask the papasan, I'm definitely not an expert and always keen to learn.

I see your point now about asking what girl he would recommend. I wasn't aware you could ask the papasan which ones do anal, without condom etc I thought that was frowned upon.
I think you got me mixed up with replying to superlove69 post.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2931676]Yes, it is very rare. 90% of the girls in Jakarta will decline Anal.
They will not even allow you to touch the Anus.

Note: This is a general statement based on my own experience.

~BKK[/QUOTE]Japanese girls are similarThey don't even like rimming.

[QUOTE=DevSagar;2931650]Sorry mate, I replied to you already but forgot one line to add. I also convey to the mamasan that I do not need a petite, small, tiny or a slim girl, I like reasonably figured girls, big boobs and I was not disappointed with what was recommended to me. Post the recommendation, the girl was brought over to me, message conveyed to her and I did see the chicks nodding her head and off we went. So, no reason to drop her when I saw her saying yes to my desires and physically seeing her in front of me. How I wish Delhi had a better connectivity with Jakarta, Damn.[/QUOTE]How did you communicate with the mamasan and girl? Via google translate on your phone? And how did you say / write "DFK"?

Reading through the last pages it seems that Emporium is getting some good traction these days.

I was wondering why the Spa scene in general seems to be a bit under the radar on this forum, since in principle there are plenty of options from low end (where "spa" / "massage" may be an overstatement) to medium and upscale locations which usually offer a wide range of services / packages with some spas specialising in specific service offerings (e. G. Double Bjs, CIM / BJ only, "Fire and Ice", "honey", .).

Often there is a low entry fee to the facilities (if the location offers them), maybe around IDR 200 k which would be waived if you proceed with a massage package. Those depend on location, but often again there are base packages (which usually include a handjob to finish) and most locations would also have some kind of "all in" package which would then include BJ and sex. Instead of the all in package it can also be negotiated directly with the lady instead which may save you a few bucks, but I usually don't bother. If my memory servces me well, then last year the all in package at the place I was ended up something like 800-850 k for 60-90 min in the room.

Having left Jakarta a decade ago, I am not that close to the current scene, but as far as I know there are still plenty of options around (which to be fair should all be similar to what you get also in Classic Spa etc.).

I know that information is fairly generic and may not be extremely helpful, but was just surprised to see (at least it feels like it) so little communication around that part of the market.

Best regards.

[QUOTE=Thommy84;2931763]I was wondering why the Spa scene in general seems to be a bit under the radar on this forum [/QUOTE]I agree that the spa scene in the past year plus has not been reported on much. My first few visits to Jakarta I had to go the south and hit up a few spas out of convenience. Good experiences and around the price point you mention. The biggest drawback is that the five spots I have been to, the girls are chosen via photo on a device. Compare that to the many bars and clubs with a choice of between a dozens to well over a hundred girls right in front of you. So yeah, massage reports do seem vanilla to the other flavors Jakarta offers. Maybe if I lived there I would visit the spas but do not want to waste a punt by choosing a girl on a phone during the short time I am there.

I spend 4 months in Bali and 2 months in Jakarta.

I went to Kota Indah, Classic and often tried my luck on MiChat.

By far, Jakarta is the best spot for mongering I've been to.

Kota Indah is a bit dirty, I went to Royal quite often at the beginning, but the girls were not that good and the management is terrible as well.

I read about Classic here and for a good month I went there almost every day, to the extent that I even took the cutest mamasan back home (who turned out to be married. Outch!

I like the quantity of girls and among the 100 or 120 girls, there is always a handful of girls that I really like. Sometimes you have to wait until they come back from their previous booking. I would recommend to go around 5 or 6 pm, later than that is going to become more uncomfortable: more smoke, louder & shittier music, as well as fewer girls.

I always paid 365 k for the girl, 5 k for the club. And if the girl did a good service I always gave a tip as well. Overall, best experience I've had in Jakarta!

This is just a Thank you note for the all the mongerers who posted reviews and comments for Jakarta. Just had a visit.

I am completely sold on how everything is setup at Hotel Classic. 19 y old muslim chicks + a nice room with full size mirrors / shower for just 365 k IDR! This is the Best Value for Money Mongering destination hands down.

Will return and also explore other clubs discussed here.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2931699]Bro, don't go around asking mama / mami as to who gives anal or BBFS, not on and you might just upset them. Alternatively, just ask who is more 'open minded', for example I told my guy I want a top girl with a great attitude and service levels must be a sure shot 9. And I leave it to him (in this case) to choose for me. So if she doesn't perform I can come back to him and complain. I remember, only that one time I selected and he just smiled back and let me be. Her attitude and performance was just ordinary in room and when I came back and told him, his reply 'what can I do mr you selected her, I knew she is not your type'. Conclusion, for me. At high end places leave it with mamis.[/QUOTE]Understood thanks for the tip in future I will also ask the mamasan for heat service girl.

The mamasan knew English. I use the exact word - "TONGUE TO TONGUE KISSING" because a lot of chicks and their agents do not understand the full meaning of DFK. Some educated girls know deep French kissing but not these uneducated ones. But, still I do not take a chance and clarify in advance. In Jakarta, I wrote my message to Mamasan both in English and native language through google translate. I did not have to communicate with the girl as my message was clearly rubbed into her brain by mamasan though the girl knew a bit of English but not much; they do not hide this handicap.

This is my modus operandi wherever I travel outside my country. I even have a pic downloaded of a couple doing DFK with both their tongues locked up and send that pic across to independent chicks before meeting them of course after a bit of conversation on chat and they understand the message post my clarification. I do not take a risk regarding this service because without it I make a sorry sad face. Can compromise on everything but not this.

Hope it helps.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2931748]How did you communicate with the mamasan and girl? Via google translate on your phone? And how did you say / write "DFK"?[/QUOTE]

Here is a fun fact, sometimes Dr Google alter the English word meaning to Bahasha Indonesia yielding in funny and confusing meanings. For example, I google big boobs and it's translated to payudara besar. I kid you not, every single mama I said that word, they burst out laughing. To this date, I don't understand the irony of it. I ended up messaging my local friend and after much laughter, he said the right term of describing big boobs is pabrik susu which literally translates to milk factory. Another word of big boobs is susu segar which translates to fresh milk.

Now, try that literal word in English in Western countries, best you are getting is a jug / jar / bottle of milk from the fridge.

[QUOTE=DevSagar;2931873]The mamasan knew English. I use the exact word - "TONGUE TO TONGUE KISSING" because a lot of chicks and their agents do not understand the full meaning of DFK. Some educated girls know deep French kissing but not these uneducated ones. But, still I do not take a chance and clarify in advance. In Jakarta, I wrote my message to Mamasan both in English and native language through google translate. I did not have to communicate with the girl as my message was clearly rubbed into her brain by mamasan though the girl knew a bit of English but not much; they do not hide this handicap.

This is my modus operandi wherever I travel outside my country. I even have a pic downloaded of a couple doing DFK with both their tongues locked up and send that pic across to independent chicks before meeting them of course after a bit of conversation on chat and they understand the message post my clarification. I do not take a risk regarding this service because without it I make a sorry sad face. Can compromise on everything but not this..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DevSagar;2931873]The mamasan knew English. I use the exact word - "TONGUE TO TONGUE KISSING" because a lot of chicks and their agents do not understand the full meaning of DFK. Some educated girls know deep French kissing but not these uneducated ones. But, still I do not take a chance and clarify in advance. In Jakarta, I wrote my message to Mamasan both in English and native language through google translate. I did not have to communicate with the girl as my message was clearly rubbed into her brain by mamasan though the girl knew a bit of English but not much; they do not hide this handicap.

This is my modus operandi wherever I travel outside my country. I even have a pic downloaded of a couple doing DFK with both their tongues locked up and send that pic across to independent chicks before meeting them of course after a bit of conversation on chat and they understand the message post my clarification. I do not take a risk regarding this service because without it I make a sorry sad face. Can compromise on everything but not this.

Hope it helps.[/QUOTE]Helps a LOT. Thanks for taking the time to write.

[QUOTE=AttilaTheHun;2931794]I
I read about Classic here and for a good month I went there almost every day, to the extent that I even took the cutest mamasan back home (who turned out to be married. Outch![/QUOTE]Haha I wonder which one. I was also kinda play flirting with one Mama named Jeny she gave me her WhatsApp. She told me yeah you like slim, petite girls I said yes like you (she is also petite with glasses) I told her jokingly come to my room, then she replied what hotel and what time you want me. I didn't reply back because I was joking but I think the possibility was there if I wantend to.

Some Mamas are a real pain in the ass, but I have bonded with a few in classic and when they see me they know what I like and call their best girl to meet me.

[QUOTE=Charlies4;2931824]This is just a Thank you note for the all the mongerers who posted reviews and comments for Jakarta. Just had a visit.

I am completely sold on how everything is setup at Hotel Classic. 19 y old muslim chicks + a nice room with full size mirrors / shower for just 365 k IDR! This is the Best Value for Money Mongering destination hands down.

Will return and also explore other clubs discussed here.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you on this. I'm also thankful to ISG members because without this forum I wouldn't be able to enjoy Jakarta the way I did, it's not like Thailand where everything is out in the open. I hope it won't become a popular mongering destination and be ruined by mass tourist (I doubt that will happen, but let's enjoy while we can).

I just returned home and I'm planning my next trip to Jakarta again LOL.

Bro, I don't agree. Most girls I was with allowed me to touch caress and lick this 'no entry' zone, LOL. And in some bold cases I did finger or fuck them. Just treat them well, with love respect.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2931676]Yes, it is very rare. 90% of the girls in Jakarta will decline Anal.
They will not even allow you to touch the Anus.

Note: This is a general statement based on my own experience.

~BKK[/QUOTE]

Agree zippos completely, I just feel Jakarta is a special mongering destination and needs to be explored continuously and more regularly. Poor flight connections (as compared to Thailand) and weak infrastructure allows thousands of tourists to give it a miss, which is where us mongers pitch it. I am glad we are not their main source of bread & butter otherwise it becomes too commercial, look Thailand is a prime example, its gone southwards for me. One will experience a reluctant & passive girl in bed but the idea is to avoid it as much as possible. An experienced punter will always have less of it if his guard is up, that was my whole point.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2931608]If I may add few bullet points SuperLove.

1. Whatever the hunting and punting experience one has, should not be compared to Jakarta. Of course utilize that experience but what's the point of comparing to Apple with Orange. Won't be the same. Treat Jakarta like it likes to be treated.

2. Jakarta is unique its own way, we are not their major source of bread and butter, unlike Thailand Cambodia Laos Vietnam, Jakarta scene is dominated by locals. We only chip in a small percentage.

3. Most importantly, like SuperLove said, clarify your desire with Mami / Handler, specially if it's an High End place like Emporium KC Malio. People seem to overlook this part while reading reports.

4. Another key factor is timing. Thursday Friday Saturday some cases Sunday tends to be more full house compared to the rest of the week. Not saying any of these places are closed during weekdays but less quantity leading to decline in quality but then could be the opposite due to desperation of money.

5 lastly, there will always be a starfish whom you may get stuck with, that can happen in anywhere. Factor this in before shelling out cash.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for great report. Heading to Jakarta tonight, looks like Classic may be hit or miss and hygiene quality of girls is not great.

I will be trying Emporium and other spas. I will try Classic just for sake of experience but with very low expectations.

Where is the best place to convert USD to IDR?

[QUOTE=MichaelGrandus;2931695]Hey community!

Sitting now on my balcony on the 20th floor, ... [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MichaelGrandus;2931695]Hey community!

I want to describe this time in detail so that you understand all the emotions that I felt in the room. I closed the door, the girl took off her shoes, sat down on the bed and that was it. This, guys, is where all the magic ends. For the next 40 minutes, she did not show any initiative at all, did not make any movements on her part. Okay, I thought, I think she's just started and is shy, reminded me of my first girl in school. Despite the fact that she did not react in any way to my hugs and caresses, she was wearing a very sexy dress, and to my taste, which turned me on very much. Slowly undressing her, I love to undress the girl myself, play with her body in her underwear and then slowly take it off. I gestured to her towards the shower, she shook her head. I didn't go either, since I washed myself in the room half an hour ago.

After that, I put her on the bed, spread her legs and caressed her for 10 minutes. All this time she didn't even touch me. I was still in shorts, I put her hand on my penis, which was noticeably protruding, in the hope that she would understand that she needed to start caressing me, take off my shorts, etc. But no, she just left her hand there, without any movement. I even began to think that she was some kind of weak-minded or something like that. If she were not so beautiful, I would immediately turn around and go for another one, but I just couldn't leave her pussy, which looked like just a strip on the body, without the slightest hint of protruding labia.

So, I took the phone and wrote in the translator, saying, let's do something, otherwise, you will be left without a tip at all. In response, she wrote "condom?" I nodded my head affirmatively, the first time I saw a working girl ask such questions herself. She gave me a condom, which I had to put on myself (the first time in my career myself). At this time, she lubricated herself and lay on her back with her legs spread. Okay, let's get started. She was very tight inside, which couldn't help but please me, and I could barely restrain myself from cumming after a week of abstinence. I thought that since she was so passive and asked about the condom, it would be possible to negotiate with her and dump my week's supply into her mouth, which I really love. I took out and motioned for her to go doggy style, she obeyed. I started fucking her, and she didn't move at all, although this position is very suitable for two people to move. Well, ok, I thought, I'll enjoy it this way.

And so, admiring her ass, the most epic of all fucked up began. A persistent, strong smell began to reach me, and it was not the smell of her pussy, which I had completely examined before, but the smell of working girl shit. I spread her buns and saw that everything was fucking brown there. And she * should have understood this before and refused to take a shower before the act! In general, it's hard to express my emotions in words, but I still decided to finish quickly, which took 15 seconds for me (I'm good at controlling this process after taking half of the pill of the Super Kamagra bought in BKK). Without saying a word, I went into the shower, quickly got dressed, and left, leaving her there alone. Went out into the hall, walked around it in search of my mamasan to scold her for the whole situation, but did not see her there. After sitting at the table for 10 minutes, I still didn't see her. I went to the cashier, paid about 30 k for entry and a coke, and left.

The first impression of Jakarta was a complete failure. After all this, I was depressed all week, I didn't want to go to such places anymore and was haunted by the thought that the best sex is sex with wife.

So, after losing a week of freedom, I decided to go to Emporium, which became one of the best experiences of my career, and made me go there every fucking day, during my second week in Jakarta.

To be continued.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. That is just nasty but sometimes shit happens (literally). The frequent mongers we all have experienced a girl that isn't willing to do work or hygiene wise isn't there. It's all part of the game, I do feel sorry for you experiencing this on your first girl at classic. I've had my fare share of girls at classic and from all of them only one had a funky odor coming out of her vagina, but I only could smell it when doing doggy (not a shit smell). She noticed it also that I smelled something and then she replied with that it is the condom that has the smell. Yeah right "condom", I couldn't finish but I was already 40 min in the session and took my lost. The beauty of classic is if the girls good in the room, just pay for another girl it's only 365 k. But in your case I would have definitely waited and searched for mama and told her because that is just gross. I'm glad you did find something good in another place, but you really should give classic another try.

[QUOTE=Pk099;2931955]Thanks for great report. Heading to Jakarta tonight, looks like Classic may be hit or miss and hygiene quality of girls is not great.

I will be trying Emporium and other spas. I will try Classic just for sake of experience but with very low expectations.

Where is the best place to convert USD to IDR?[/QUOTE]Use an ATM if you have a no foreign fee debit card. Be sure NOT to select the ATM bank's conversion option, as it offers a poor exchange rate. There's an ATM right outside the Holiday Inn Suites Gajah Mada. Most hotels also have ATMs nearby, often right at the hotel or just across the road. Don't forget to collect your card after the transaction. Once, with all the exchange rate calculations and handling large numbered IDR notes, I forgot to take my card back from the ATM. Fortunately, I had a backup card, but it was still a bad experience.

When I stayed at the Ibis Tanah Abang almost two years ago, I exchanged GBP cash at Chandraprima, which offered a good exchange rate. I found two options through a quick Google search, and Chandraprima was conveniently close to the Tanah Abang hotel. However, it's quite far from the usual Holiday Inn Suites Gajah Mada area, which this sub tends to prefer.

Just make sure to bring only clean and unfolded currency notes, as most money exchangers in Thailand and Indonesia prefer brand-new notes I have no idea why. Hope this helps.

Thanks my friend, I will search for exchange close to my hotel. I do not have bank card, just taking credit cards, so may be I will have to pay lot of fees, so avoid it.

[QUOTE=Scarer;2932011]Use an ATM if you have a no foreign fee debit card. Be sure NOT to select the ATM bank's conversion option...Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pk099;2932013]Thanks my friend, I will search for exchange close to my hotel. I do not have bank card, just taking credit cards, so may be I will have to pay lot of fees, so avoid it.[/QUOTE]Keep in mind most ATM in Indonesia have a small withdrawal amount you can take per transaction. BCA was for me the best with max 2.500.000 IDR per transaction. The ATM that is in Holiday Inn hotel BNI max 1.250.000 IDR per transaction and CIMB the max was 3.000.000 IDR but I paid 75.000 IDR fee. If members have better alternatives place share.

[QUOTE=Pk099;2931955]
Where is the best place to convert USD to IDR?[/QUOTE]First building to the left of Classic Hotel. Supposed open 7 am and closes 3 am. I have used many times. Example, if [URL]www.xe.com[/URL] says the rate is 16,200 IDR to 1 USD, you will receive roughly 16,000. Pretty sure is better than the airport rate.

[QUOTE=GraniteSt8;2931777]I agree that the spa scene in the past year plus has not been reported on much. My first few visits to Jakarta I had to go the south and hit up a few spas out of convenience. Good experiences and around the price point you mention. The biggest drawback is that the five spots I have been to, the girls are chosen via photo on a device. Compare that to the many bars and clubs with a choice of between a dozens to well over a hundred girls right in front of you. So yeah, massage reports do seem vanilla to the other flavours Jakarta offers. Maybe if I lived there I would visit the spas but do not want to waste a punt by choosing a girl on a phone during the short time I am there.[/QUOTE]You are right. The picture / number based selection can be a disadvantage. I have however done well (in line with the recent discussion here related to classic) to build a bit of rapport with the GROs of some locations (both in person and via telegram where the locations often have groups where pictures / attendance lists etc. Are shared. Having said that, I guess it supports your statement that the SPA scene may be most suitable for residents / regular visitors. I usually like to at least get 1-2 SPA visits in though even during short trips, since I like the combination of hot / cold pool, sauna etc. To relax and then being pampered with a nice massage and more. If I was still living in Jakarta it would most likely be at least a weekly visit.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2931938]Bro, I don't agree. Most girls I was with allowed me to touch caress and lick this 'no entry' zone, LOL. And in some bold cases I did finger or fuck them. Just treat them well, with love respect.[/QUOTE]You, my friend. Are a god to me!!

Definitely an unfortunate event. Not saying I have never had a starfish at Classic but then how the girls will act in room can't be controlled by mami. Surely they can be motivated or simply put to a different purpose. Give it another try.

Classic is not comparable to Emporium in any degree but classic is classic. Sadly, I'm seeing more and more of this types of negative Add your list of desires and translate that to Bahasha Indonesia and make sure to add shower in the list. Clarify with Mami, if girl doesn't do as asked, you would change the girl. Truth to be told, change may not happen but it will emphasize your level of seriousness.

By the way, if you liked Emporium, you will like KC and 1001 Colosseum.

Enjoy Jakarta, don't let that shitty starfish leave a dent on your Jakarta memorable experience.

[QUOTE=MichaelGrandus;2931695]Hey community!

although this position is very suitable for two people to move. Well, ok, I thought, I'll enjoy it this way.

And so, admiring her ass, the most epic of all fucked up began. A persistent, strong smell began to reach me, and it was not the smell of her pussy, which I had completely examined before, but the smell of working girl shit. I spread her buns and saw that everything was fucking brown there. And she * should have understood this before and refused to take a shower before the act! In general, it's hard to express my emotions in words, but I still decided to finish quickly, which took 15 seconds for me (I'm good at controlling this process after taking half of the pill of the Super Kamagra bought in BKK). Without saying a word, I went into the shower, quickly got dressed, and left, leaving her there alone. Went out into the hall, walked around it in search of my mamasan to scold her for the whole situation, but did not see her there. After sitting at the table for 10 minutes, I still didn't see her. I went to the cashier, paid about 30 k for entry and a coke, and left.

The first impression of Jakarta was a complete failure. After all this, I was depressed all week, I didn't want to go to such places anymore and was haunted by the thought that the best sex is sex with wife.

So, after losing a week of freedom, I decided to go to Emporium, which became one of the best experiences of my career, and made me go there every fucking day, during my second week in Jakarta.

To be continued.[/QUOTE]

Thanks I will check. Just landed in Jakarta and converted some in airport, got rate 15890 for USD.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2932065]First building to the left of Classic Hotel. Supposed open 7 am and closes 3 am. I have used many times. Example, if [URL]www.xe.com[/URL] says the rate is 16,200 IDR to 1 USD, you will receive roughly 16,000. Pretty sure is better than the airport rate.[/QUOTE]

If I have a good time with an Emporium girl and she would like to go to my hotel for overnight, is she free to leave Emporium right away or is she committed to stay until a certain time?

[QUOTE=MrMiyaG;2932027]Keep in mind most ATM in Indonesia have a small withdrawal amount you can take per transaction. BCA was for me the best with max 2.500.000 IDR per transaction. The ATM that is in Holiday Inn hotel BNI max 1.250.000 IDR per transaction and CIMB the max was 3.000.000 IDR but I paid 75.000 IDR fee. If members have better alternatives place share.[/QUOTE]I may have posted it before, but my solution for those who visit Jakarta regularly is as follows. You need a friend with an account and debit / credit card at one of the bigger banks (BCA, CIMB etc). Let him / her put 1000 dollars worth of rupiahs in that bank. Use the card during your stay. At the end of your stay, do the maths. At least you will not have to pay fees at ATM's.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2932284]I may have posted it before, but my solution for those who visit Jakarta regularly is as follows. You need a friend with an account and debit / credit card at one of the bigger banks (BCA, CIMB etc). Let him / her put 1000 dollars worth of rupiahs in that bank. Use the card during your stay. At the end of your stay, do the maths. At least you will not have to pay fees at ATM's.[/QUOTE]Or you could just get an account with Charles Schwab or Fidelity Cash Management (which reimburse all foreign ATM fees) and use that card to withdraw IDR at ATMs in Jakarta.

I am planning to stay at park hyatt Jakarta for 4 nights. Is it girl friendly.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2932275]If I have a good time with an Emporium girl and she would like to go to my hotel for overnight, is she free to leave Emporium right away or is she committed to stay until a certain time?[/QUOTE]Mine had to work til 10 PM.

[QUOTE=MichaelGrandus;2931695]Hey community!


And so, admiring her ass, the most epic of all fucked up began. A persistent, strong smell began to reach me, and it was not the smell of her pussy, which I had completely examined before, but the smell of working girl shit. I spread her buns and saw that everything was fucking brown there. And she * should have understood this before and refused to take a shower before the act! In general, it's hard to express my emotions in words, but I still decided to finish quickly, which took 15 seconds for me (I'm good at controlling this process after taking half of the pill of the Super Kamagra bought in BKK). Without saying a word, I went into the shower, quickly got dressed, and left, leaving her there alone. Went out into the hall, walked around it in search of my mamasan to scold her for the whole situation, but did not see her there. After sitting at the table for 10 minutes, I still didn't see her. I went to the cashier, paid about 30 k for entry and a coke, and left.

The first impression of Jakarta was a complete failure. After all this, I was depressed all week, I didn't want to go to such places anymore and was haunted by the thought that the best sex is sex with wife.

So, after losing a week of freedom, I decided to go to Emporium, which became one of the best experiences of my career, and made me go there every fucking day, during my second week in Jakarta.

To be continued.[/QUOTE]Ugh, what a disaster. I've never been to Indonesia, but was was hoping personal hygiene was somewhat similar to Thailand (which is great, as we all here know).

I'm maybe on my way to Jakarta from Bangkok myself in a week or two (or Japan. It's either that or spend half a day to extend my Thailand entry stamp for another 30 days), so looking forward to your next report.

This was just an odd and disastrous case. I'm yet to find one Indonesian girl who lacks in hygiene. It's pretty standard for them to shower or at least wash up entire body before getting involved into act and same rituals after the act. I hope no one else experience such nightmare.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2932422]Ugh, what a disaster. I've never been to Indonesia, but was was hoping personal hygiene was somewhat similar to Thailand (which is great, as we all here know).

I'm maybe on my way to Jakarta from Bangkok myself in a week or two (or Japan. It's either that or spend half a day to extend my Thailand entry stamp for another 30 days), so looking forward to your next report.[/QUOTE]

I banged a chick on her first day at work, she was unbelievably good and I finished with her around midnight and asked mamasan if I could take her till morning. He quoted some figure of 4 mn and I said, thanks but no thanks. So I don't think its a good idea to check with emporium. Better if you strike a deal with her privately for the next day.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2932275]If I have a good time with an Emporium girl and she would like to go to my hotel for overnight, is she free to leave Emporium right away or is she committed to stay until a certain time?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xoxo999;2932338]I am planning to stay at park hyatt Jakarta for 4 nights. Is it girl friendly.[/QUOTE]I'm thinking I should copy Nuttin Serious's reply from the hotels board into this. And maybe embellish it with the new laws about sex outside marriage and the trouble you can get into, and then you might get really worried. Maybe if you actually did a bit of research and not just put a question like this up for your first post. A quick search of the forum will very quickly answer your question. And yes, I could answer it for you. But then as the old saying goes "give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, tell him there's a search function - well you know where I am going with this " Even Dr. Google will give you the answer.

[QUOTE=Xoxo999;2932338]I am planning to stay at park hyatt Jakarta for 4 nights. Is it girl friendly.[/QUOTE]This is your first post. You couldn't even take the time to do read this f'in forum?

Many of us have posted field reports. The worst user is the one with one post who doesn't RTFF, receives positive responses to his question (s), goes to Jakarta and NEVER returns the favor by posting a field report. Are you that user?

I'm going to Jakarta soon for vacation and I'm going to be there at least 3 full days. Is there a guide or list somewhere for what the best clubs or hotels are for mongers? When I read others' reviews, sometimes they use abbreviations or shorthand names for certain places and I can't make out what they are supposed to be.

Also, best place / way to pay for a threesome?

Much appreciated, thanks!

Did you take the mamasan from classic terminal (2 floor) or classic spa in basement. Mamasan in basement spa are young & super hot, to the extent I have told one that I wish to bang her at my pad couple of times. Both times she said no but was willing to share her no. Do you guys think fucking her was a real possibility, I wasn't willing to spend time on her on the trip but hell yeah she was super hot and way better than the girls sitting in the fishbowl.

[QUOTE=AttilaTheHun;2931794]I spend 4 months in Bali and 2 months in Jakarta.

I went to Kota Indah, Classic and often tried my luck on MiChat.

By far, Jakarta is the best spot for mongering I've been to.

Kota Indah is a bit dirty, I went to Royal quite often at the beginning, but the girls were not that good and the management is terrible as well.

I read about Classic here and for a good month I went there almost every day, to the extent that I even took the cutest mamasan back home (who turned out to be married. Outch!

I like the quantity of girls and among the 100 or 120 girls, there is always a handful of girls that I really like. Sometimes you have to wait until they come back from their previous booking. I would recommend to go around 5 or 6 pm, later than that is going to become more uncomfortable: more smoke, louder & shittier music, as well as fewer girls.

I always paid 365 k for the girl, 5 k for the club. And if the girl did a good service I always gave a tip as well. Overall, best experience I've had in Jakarta![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2932422]Ugh, what a disaster. I've never been to Indonesia, but was was hoping personal hygiene was somewhat similar to Thailand (which is great, as we all here know).

I'm maybe on my way to Jakarta from Bangkok myself in a week or two (or Japan. It's either that or spend half a day to extend my Thailand entry stamp for another 30 days), so looking forward to your next report.[/QUOTE]I can not imagine, ever (!!) what has happened to MichaelGrandus. In every toilet in Indonesia, be it in a house or elsewhere, there will be bottle or other means with water to clean your butt. (I'm born-Indonesian, that's why I am sure) I think it was an accident that happened during the action.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2932513]I can not imagine, ever (!!) what has happened to MichaelGrandus. In every toilet in Indonesia, be it in a house or elsewhere, there will be bottle or other means with water to clean your butt. (I'm born-Indonesian, that's why I am sure) I think it was an accident that happened during the action.[/QUOTE]Is it really even a big deal what happened to him? I have had plenty of times where I am doing BBFS-anal on a girl and shit ends up all over my dick. One time in Tijuana at hotel paraiso, I left the sheets and pillow on a bed all covered in shit after an hour long anal session with the chica named dulce. The smell didn't bother me in the least, I kept on going until I finished and got my nut.

I'm sure if I was in the same situation as Mr Grandus, it wouldn't have bothered me at all, I probably would have tried to Butt-fuck her, using her shit as lube. And I for damn sure wouldn't be wearing a condom. I think the fact that she made him wear a condom is much more annoying than the shit smell.

At any rate I for damn sure wouldn't be depressed and stuck in my hotel room for a week of an only 2-week-long trip because of it, that is just dumb. We must have different standards, but the starfish performance and condom are the two biggest problems I see, not the shit smell.

-Gabacho Out.

Awesome experience. Jakarta is destination of my next trip.

[QUOTE=Jshah23;2930223]Got back to apartment & had my lunch ordered from grab & at around 5 pm reached Emporium.

Met David at 1st floor entrance & headed to see the lineup. There were around 11 girls in the room 5 in 1.2 M & 6 in 1.4 M category. Selected a 1.2 M girl form the lot just because of her short appearance & larger than life smile.

That time I didn't knew this girl will rock my whole trip guys. Let's call her Miss be.

She took me to the pool with lots of kissing DFKs & of course boobs sucking, fingering all her holes & then after 30 minutes we proceeded towards room which was spacious & clean. We both got cleaned up with each other's lips locked together & after that jumped on the bed, she started kissing me all over & I enjoyed pressing & fingering her with all these long DFKs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AttilaTheHun;2931794]I spend 4 months in Bali and 2 months in Jakarta.

I went to Kota Indah, Classic and often tried my luck on MiChat.

By far, Jakarta is the best spot for mongering I've been to.

Kota Indah is a bit dirty, I went to Royal quite often at the beginning, but the girls were not that good and the management is terrible as well.

I read about Classic here and for a good month I went there almost every day, to the extent that I even took the cutest mamasan back home (who turned out to be married. Outch!

I like the quantity of girls and among the 100 or 120 girls, there is always a handful of girls that I really like. Sometimes you have to wait until they come back from their previous booking. I would recommend to go around 5 or 6 pm, later than that is going to become more uncomfortable: more smoke, louder & shittier music, as well as fewer girls.[/QUOTE]Excellent report. I plan to be there soon. I'm excited to check out Classic (terminal). Everyday for a month straight? Who are some of the girls there that you would recommend?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2932518]Is it really even a big deal what happened to him? I have had plenty of times where I am doing BBFS-anal on a girl and shit ends up all over my dick. One time in Tijuana at hotel paraiso, I left the sheets and pillow on a bed all covered in shit after an hour long anal session with the chica named dulce. The smell didn't bother me in the least, I kept on going until I finished and got my nut.

I'm sure if I was in the same situation as Mr Grandus, it wouldn't have bothered me at all, I probably would have tried to Butt-fuck her, using her shit as lube. And I for damn sure wouldn't be wearing a condom. I think the fact that she made him wear a condom is much more annoying than the shit smell.

At any rate I for damn sure wouldn't be depressed and stuck in my hotel room for a week of an only 2-week-long trip because of it, that is just dumb. We must have different standards, but the starfish performance and condom are the two biggest problems I see, not the shit smell.

-Gabacho Out.[/QUOTE]When doing anal, getting feces on your dick is part of the risk you take, and it does not happen too often fortunately.

Nobody expects to be knocked out by the smell of shit while fucking a girl's pussy, look down, and see what appears to be strong signs the girl is not even toilet-trained, or indeed has some retardation.

We all have our own fetishes, and I'm not one to look down on yours, but that's just a scat-type fetish of yours, obviously not shared by the OP.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2932513]I can not imagine, ever (!!) what has happened to MichaelGrandus. In every toilet in Indonesia, be it in a house or elsewhere, there will be bottle or other means with water to clean your butt. (I'm born-Indonesian, that's why I am sure) I think it was an accident that happened during the action.[/QUOTE]That she shat herself while being fucked, and did not notice? Come on, man. Relieved to hear it's unusual enough for you to be so surprised too, however.

[QUOTE=OohxTasty10;2932492]I'm going to Jakarta soon for vacation and I'm going to be there at least 3 full days. Is there a guide or list somewhere for what the best clubs or hotels are for mongers? When I read others' reviews, sometimes they use abbreviations or shorthand names for certain places and I can't make out what they are supposed to be.

Also, best place / way to pay for a threesome?

Much appreciated, thanks![/QUOTE]Classic hotel 500 k for 2 girls 90 minutes.

Hotel travel 510 k for 2 girls 90 minutes.

Kota indah bar area, many bars offer 2 girls for 400 k *2.

Here is the map.

[URL]https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/zh-tw/map/indonesia-night-life_378341[/URL]#10/-8. 6740/115. 1381.

What are the abbreviations you are unable to decipher? Put a list down and we will try our best to clarify that.

To answer your other questions, utilize the same "search thread" button, make a list of places and ask specific questions regarding that.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=OohxTasty10;2932492]I'm going to Jakarta soon for vacation and I'm going to be there at least 3 full days. Is there a guide or list somewhere for what the best clubs or hotels are for mongers? When I read others' reviews, sometimes they use abbreviations or shorthand names for certain places and I can't make out what they are supposed to be.

Also, best place / way to pay for a threesome?

Much appreciated, thanks![/QUOTE]

I'm no expert on Jakarta (yet), but I've been there once and I remember going to Kings Cross and thinking it was the best place I've ever mongered in my life. A lineup of about 10 girls, 8 of them hot and a few of them super hot. Costs the equivalent of $25 usd if I remember correctly. I'm surprised it's not mentioned here more often.

Are all the other places even better? I look forward to finding out.

It's unfortunate that there's not much else to do in Jakarta. Traffic is terrible and I don't like spicy food so I don't think it could ever be a place I stay longer-term like I can in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Xoxo999;2932614]Classic hotel 500 k for 2 girls 90 minutes.

Hotel travel 510 k for 2 girls 90 minutes.

Kota indah bar area, many bars offer 2 girls for 400 k *2.

Here is the map.

[URL]https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/zh-tw/map/indonesia-night-life_378341[/URL]#10/-8. 6740/115. 1381.[/QUOTE]There's no way I got 90 minutes for 2 girls in classic felt like 30 minutes.

[QUOTE=Delbo1;2932667]There's no way I got 90 minutes for 2 girls in classic felt like 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]You can do 2 shots in 30 minutes! I am too old for that.

I am a big fan of anal and sometimes have gone BB too and you should be ready to face shit (pun intended, LOL). It becomes easy if you tell your chick to empty her stomach before the session. I say 50-50 success rate, I know won't work at classic. Knowing my love for her ass, one of my ex girls from Euro suggested we use this regularly, keeps the tool clean and prevents unwanted odour diseases. Good for he & she.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2932583]When doing anal, getting feces on your dick is part of the risk you take, and it does not happen too often fortunately.

Nobody expects to be knocked out by the smell of shit while fucking a girl's pussy, look down, and see what appears to be strong signs the girl is not even toilet-trained, or indeed has some retardation.

We all have our own fetishes, and I'm not one to look down on yours, but that's just a scat-type fetish of yours, obviously not shared by the OP.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xoxo999;2932677]You can do 2 shots in 30 minutes! I am too old for that.[/QUOTE]You misunderstand me, the ph Be started ringing at 30 minutes to vacate the room.

[QUOTE=Delbo1;2932667]There's no way I got 90 minutes for 2 girls in classic felt like 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]Then you got royally hosed because sessions at Classic are for 1 hour from when the housekeeper lets you in the room. What likely happened is while walking to the room one of the girls said to the cleaning staff or whoever to call the room in 30 minutes ie. they didn't want to be with you more than 30 minutes.

I don't find Classic girls to cheat me on time. In fact, the opposite is quite true. If they like you (or are after a bigger tip) many don't care at all if that phone rings and stay over an hour or answer the phone and you keep fucking for 10+ minutes after. That phone ringing doesn't mean the session ends rather it's a reminder to shower and get dressed. All the girl has to say is that her customer took 20+ minutes to shower and dress.

Set a countdown timer on your phone and show it the room attendant when entering.

They rang the phone once 30 min in session I told my girl to convey the message of we got more time left. When coming out of the room, I saw attendant standing there smiling asking for tip. I took out the stash of cash, looked at her and said " I don't tip for a wake up call". My girl was laughing and I just put that cash back in my pocket. Never got a wake up call again during that week. Sometimes you need to teach them a lesson.

Also, just because they ask for a tip, you necessarily don't need to tip her for cleaning the room.

[QUOTE=Delbo1;2932667]There's no way I got 90 minutes for 2 girls in classic felt like 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AttilaTheHun;2931794]…
I read about Classic here and for a good month I went there almost every day, to the extent that I even took the cutest mamasan back home (who turned out to be married. Outch!

I like the quantity of girls and among the 100 or 120 girls, there is always a handful of girls that I really like. Sometimes you have to wait until they come back from their previous booking. I would recommend to go around 5 or 6 pm, later than that is going to become more uncomfortable: more smoke, louder & shittier music, as well as fewer girls.

I always paid 365 k for the girl, 5 k for the club. And if the girl did a good service I always gave a tip as well. Overall, best experience I've had in Jakarta![/QUOTE]I have RTFF-ed the last 15-20 pages.

I understand some Classic girl are not allowed to leave Classic. But if I find one that may leave, may she leave to meet me right after our session?

It appears every now and then. It's a must visit place for me on each trip to Jakarta. Reason why it's not heavily mentioned because, KC is in Kelapa Gading which is bit far away and can take between 30 min to an hour depending on the traffic. Also, besides KC and Summo, I think there is couple more spots there. Not as much happening place as Kota Indah or Classic area. Most guys tends to stay closer to more varieties of choices.

But yes, indeed they got some good collection at any given time. I saw more 8 at KC than I saw in Emporium.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2932629]I'm no expert on Jakarta (yet), but I've been there once and I remember going to Kings Cross and thinking it was the best place I've ever mongered in my life. A lineup of about 10 girls, 8 of them hot and a few of them super hot. Costs the equivalent of $25 usd if I remember correctly. I'm surprised it's not mentioned here more often.

Are all the other places even better? I look forward to finding out.

It's unfortunate that there's not much else to do in Jakarta. Traffic is terrible and I don't like spicy food so I don't think it could ever be a place I stay longer-term like I can in Thailand.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2932762]Then you got royally hosed because sessions at Classic are for 1 hour from when the housekeeper lets you in the room. What likely happened is while walking to the room one of the girls said to the cleaning staff or whoever to call the room in 30 minutes ie. they didn't want to be with you more than 30 minutes.

I don't find Classic girls to cheat me on time. In fact, the opposite is quite true. If they like you (or are after a bigger tip) many don't care at all if that phone rings and stay over an hour or answer the phone and you keep fucking for 10+ minutes after. That phone ringing doesn't mean the session ends rather it's a reminder to shower and get dressed. All the girl has to say is that her customer took 20+ minutes to shower and dress.[/QUOTE]How to make sure we get the time we paid for? Any good strategies for dealing with the cheaters, other than cutting the loss and moving on.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2932513]I can not imagine, ever (!!) what has happened to MichaelGrandus. In every toilet in Indonesia, be it in a house or elsewhere, there will be bottle or other means with water to clean your butt. (I'm born-Indonesian, that's why I am sure) I think it was an accident that happened during the action.[/QUOTE]This seems more like the girl doesn't want to be in this business and is being forced by family maybe. She is finding "shit" ways so that the customers will complaint and they fire her from work.

[QUOTE=Scarer;2932858]This seems more like the girl doesn't want to be in this business and is being forced by family maybe. She is finding "shit" ways so that the customers will complaint and they fire her from work.[/QUOTE]I read that most of the girls are working off some debt.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2932785]I have RTFF-ed the last 15-20 pages.

I understand some Classic girl are not allowed to leave Classic. But if I find one that may leave, may she leave to meet me right after our session?[/QUOTE]I haven't done it but I assumed it is possible for all the girls. Because I once asked a Mama after my session about taking the girl out to my hotel she brought up her phone calculator and wrote 6*365 k= 2190 k IDR. The 6 was the worktime she had remaining on her shift.

Personally I wouldn't go that route. If you have the time and the girl likes you, just handle it with her directly and ask her to come on her day off. I did that and the girl asked me 1 juta.

[QUOTE=Scarer;2932858]This seems more like the girl doesn't want to be in this business and is being forced by family maybe. She is finding "shit" ways so that the customers will complaint and they fire her from work.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a plausible theory.

[QUOTE=Xoxo999;2932795]How to make sure we get the time we paid for? Any good strategies for dealing with the cheaters, other than cutting the loss and moving on.[/QUOTE]From Zippos Post 18201.

"Set a countdown timer on your phone and show it the room attendant when entering. ".

[QUOTE=Delbo1;2932667]There's no way I got 90 minutes for 2 girls in classic felt like 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]I have not been to Classic for months. I just visited and I too believe I was shorted on time by around 20 minutes. I am pretty consistent on walking out the door at the 40-45 minute mark. The phone rang at I am guessing the 25 minute point. It even rang again on our way out which I felt was at the 40 minute mark. The next day I told one of the mamasans about it but think she did not understand or give a crap. I told the guy leading us to the room and turning on the aircon that I was shorted time last time and showed him the time. Guess what? We walked out the door at the 45 minute mark. Not sure if there are certain girls telling them to ring to the phone early, or mamasans telling the girls to do this to certain customers (but this mamasan has seen me many times before), or if it is a new company BS thing they are trying out.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2933119]Not sure if there are certain girls telling them to ring to the phone early, or mamasans telling the girls to do this to certain customers (but this mamasan has seen me many times before), or if it is a new company BS thing they are trying out.[/QUOTE]Damn that's not a good trend. Thanks for the update, LoveitHere. Was this a mamasan who "knows" you?

Are others on the ground getting the same crap? Time to start setting our phone timers from when the door closes. I always used the start time for my session once the housekeeper checks your number and you close the door. Kind of wish I was there now so I could have a few sessions and report back.

Shrinkflation has hit Classic.

[QUOTE=D Cups;2932903]I read that most of the girls are working off some debt.[/QUOTE]

None of us know what the real truth is but yes the most common story is girls end up at these places to pay off their father's or their own gambling debt.

[QUOTE=MrMiyaG;2932924]I haven't done it but I assumed it is possible for all the girls. Because I once asked a Mama after my session about taking the girl out to my hotel she brought up her phone calculator and wrote 6*365 k= 2190 k IDR. The 6 was the worktime she had remaining on her shift.

Personally I wouldn't go that route. If you have the time and the girl likes you, just handle it with her directly and ask her to come on her day off. I did that and the girl asked me 1 juta.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply.

2 million IDR! That a savvy mamasan!

[QUOTE=Jshah23;2930223]HI Day 3 Classic spa, EMP, MTR.

Got up at around 1 pm ordered my breakfast from grab & got freshen up. Today my plan was clear to burn calories / money to classic spa & 2nd floor, then hit to starmoon & take last night girl out to my apartment for night. Reached classic spa in basement at 3 pm, took badge enjoyed sauna & got sitted in main hall for having look on the available girls while slipping my beer. It was a bit early that time 8-9 girls that time & girls were still coming as it was nearing 4 pm only, mama called the lineup didn't liked any sent them back. Waited for some time & seen a new girl Venia waking in & sitting on the couch of 600 k tag called mam & selected her. Chatted with her for some time through translator & went to room. It was on the room when she took off her clothes I released I got a pearl there. She was not less then a 9 with 165 cm having DD on slim waist she was a rare found in classic, but shy as she was new there as she told. It was a blissful 50 minutes or so & I enjoyed it whole. Got contacts exchanged & tipped her 50 K on which she laughed so I added 50 k more & we parted with kiss. Got out & settled the bill & stopped on the ground floor to eat. It was around 5 pm & received a WA from Emporium girl which I met yesterday, she was interested in meeting me too for tonight if I want. I said why not deal fixed for 2 M from 7 pm to 8 am. I reached my apartment & waited for her she reached around 7. 30 pm, OMG she is was looking so cute in normal attires. It was a wonderful experience we drunk, ate danced & of course the intense love making in between, mind you it was all BBFS & it felt more like exchanging emotions not just stocks a pure GFE. I find out that she is very much fond of sex & likes it much if her partner knows how to play properly with tongue & fingers, it makes her so much wild & horny I just can't put that in words brothers. Anyways as all things needs to end the night ended & in morning we both didn't want to get away, but she needs to reach to EMP for work & I need to have some serious sleep we parted away.[/QUOTE]What's EMP?

[QUOTE=Macau81;2933420]What's EMP?[/QUOTE]Hi!

If you read just the entire post that you quoted to ask this question, it should be rather obvious what EMP is an abbreviation for.

[QUOTE=Macau81;2933420]What's EMP?[/QUOTE]Emporivm Spa on Jalan Pecenongan. Guys on here call it Emporium Spa.

[QUOTE=Member#3088;2931519]Mr. BKK is correct. I'm a long-time resident and typically use tinder to identify girls to come to me. Let them deal with the traffic. Always VC beforehand and am clear about expectations (my Indonesian is good). Nonetheless, I still get a dud now and again, but my success rate is still well over 90%. I would not want to be a new visitor trying to negotiate the traffic in this megacity on my own. Bangkok is much easier to deal with even if you don't know much Thai.[/QUOTE]What prices I am expecting to pay for Tinder girls? I am currently in Uganda, and I think the next stop could be Jakarta. I don't speak the language, but there is ChatGPT, which is much better than Google Translate. I don't like brothels, that is why I am asking. Also I would like to know what kind of service they do offer. And if some do bareback as well.

I returned to Kota Indah for the second time to visit this girl. Her name is Lenta, about 22 years old from Banten.

The first time we met, she was okay, nothing special other than GFE and willing to serve. At the end of the session, she promised a lot of things if I came back to see her. From taking naked selfie, filming her when we fuck, bareback, cum in mouth, everything and anything except anal.

So I came to see her again two days ago. In my mind, I had nothing to lose if that didn't happen. I can move from one bar to another and keep looking.

Turn out she was a beast, end up with two sessions, and she sucked me dry until the last drop.

The problem is I didn't ask her mobile number or can't remember the name of the shop. But it was the one at the end, MRT or Grand MRT I think.

I just checked in on Monday at Holiday Inn Gajah Mada at around 6 PM and opened this site. I had read about it being blocked but experienced it now personally. In June, had no issues with the working of this platform but now, yes I have faced it. The message that comes is that the site is blocked due to trust issues by the government.

Any one here in Jakarta who would like to catch up as I am here for a couple of days, PMs welcome.

Regards.

[QUOTE=DevSagar;2933577]I just checked in on Monday at Holiday Inn Gajah Mada at around 6 PM and opened this site. I had read about it being blocked but experienced it now personally. In June, had no issues with the working of this platform but now, yes I have faced it. The message that comes is that the site is blocked due to trust issues by the government.

Any one here in Jakarta who would like to catch up as I am here for a couple of days, PMs welcome.

Regards.[/QUOTE]You say it's blocked. Is it still blocked when using hotel wi-fi? It was working with holiday inn Wi-Fi last time I was there.

Same here mate; last time it worked like a breeze. I am able to use it but got to refresh the page again and again when I get the message. As of now, it is working but does hang up. I too read about it in the past but never faced the trouble till the time I personally faced it. As of now, I am sorted.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Delbo1;2933738]You say it's blocked. Is it still blocked when using hotel wi-fi? It was working with holiday inn Wi-Fi last time I was there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Delbo1;2933738]You say it's blocked. Is it still blocked when using hotel wi-fi? It was working with holiday inn Wi-Fi last time I was there.[/QUOTE]He can just use a VPN. I use one called Windscribe that works well. Alot of times on public Wi-Fi like for example at Dennys or Applebee's here in the states it will block ISG then I just turn on the Windscribe app and reload the page and it works like magic. Same thing with Pirate Bay too a website for downloading movies and TV shows.

Looks like a gem to me, kickass body looks and that ass is amazing. Hope she got a decent pounding. Looks like she was up for almost everything BB too. Great going and especially the pictures.

[QUOTE=ZachyBoy;2933575]I returned to Kota Indah for the second time to visit this girl. Her name is Lenta, about 22 years old from Banten.

The first time we met, she was okay, nothing special other than GFE and willing to serve. At the end of the session, she promised a lot of things if I came back to see her. From taking naked selfie, filming her when we fuck, bareback, cum in mouth, everything and anything except anal.

So I came to see her again two days ago. In my mind, I had nothing to lose if that didn't happen. I can move from one bar to another and keep looking.

Turn out she was a beast, end up with two sessions, and she sucked me dry until the last drop.

The problem is I didn't ask her mobile number or can't remember the name of the shop. But it was the one at the end, MRT or Grand MRT I think.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2933779]He can just use a VPN. I use one called Windscribe that works well. Alot of times on public Wi-Fi like for example at Dennys or Applebee's here in the states it will block ISG then I just turn on the Windscribe app and reload the page and it works like magic. Same thing with Pirate Bay too a website for downloading movies and TV shows.[/QUOTE]Thanks!

I just downloaded Windscribe and am learning how to use it. Do you pay for a subscription or are you able to view ISG without a subscription?

I stay 14 days in Jakarta in July and I would live a report useful for future travelers.

Classic.

Ground floor: disco with girls around 30 year hold. You pay the entrance, very little, the drink, normal price, and the girls, I never take it.

Therme: old. I never suggest it. You can also get a girl here, nothing special.

Terminal: girls around 19-23 years old. Some very beautiful. Service change a lot secodn the girls. 1 hours 365 k. 2 girls 500 l.

Girl in hotel all the njght: after 2 hours invented her mother died. Not suggested.

Mulia.

Free lance around 2. 5 - 3. 5 million for a night. Nice music.

Terminal.

Girls nice, lower level than classic. But with 500 k you can get 90 minutes with two girls.

Kota Indiah.

I take 1 nice girls for 3 hours at price of 2 hours, around 800 k.

19 years old, but nothing special. And room not clean. I never be back for hygiene.

Lokasari.

400 k nice free lancer offer by a old lady. 18 years old.

Hotel terrible.

After I was in the room women told she have not condom and to do without. Girl accepted I no.

To avoid for hygiene and safety.

City in general.

Ugly, disgusting. Aside some area, commercial center and hotel. Look safe at least. And good food everywhere.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2933828]Thanks!

I just downloaded Windscribe and am learning how to use it. Do you pay for a subscription or are you able to view ISG without a subscription?[/QUOTE]You get 2 gb free per month and 10 gb free per month if you register your email address. No need to pay unless you want access to the premium servers but the free ones work just fine for basic stuff like accessing ISG, geolocked websites or downloading torrents.

[QUOTE=ZachyBoy;2933575]I returned to Kota Indah for the second time to visit this girl. Her name is Lenta, about 22 years old from Banten.

The first time we met, she was okay, nothing special other than GFE and willing to serve. At the end of the session, she promised a lot of things if I came back to see her. From taking naked selfie, filming her when we fuck, bareback, cum in mouth, everything and anything except anal.

So I came to see her again two days ago. In my mind, I had nothing to lose if that didn't happen. I can move from one bar to another and keep looking.

Turn out she was a beast, end up with two sessions, and she sucked me dry until the last drop.

The problem is I didn't ask her mobile number or can't remember the name of the shop. But it was the one at the end, MRT or Grand MRT I think.[/QUOTE]Excellent report brother. I was already planning on checking out Kota Indah when I get there, specifically Starmoon, Royal and Royal VIP. Now I will have to check out your new place as well. I like how she was open to taking pics that is awesome. How much IDR was this session?? Did you tip for the BBFS or pics or was that included in the base price?

[QUOTE=GiovanniVolo;2933928]
Lokasari.

400 k nice free lancer offer by a old lady. 18 years old.

Hotel terrible.

After I was in the room women told she have not condom and to do without. Girl accepted I no.

To avoid for hygiene and safety.

City in general.

Ugly, disgusting. Aside some area, commercial center and hotel. Look safe at least. And good food everywhere.[/QUOTE]I too am interested in these Lokasari freelancers. Good price and always seems to be BBFS is the norm. Thanks for your report.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=ZachyBoy;2933575]I returned to Kota Indah for the second time to visit this girl. Her name is Lenta, about 22 years old from Banten.

The first time we met, she was okay, nothing special other than GFE and willing to serve. At the end of the session, she promised a lot of things if I came back to see her. From taking naked selfie, filming her when we fuck, bareback, cum in mouth, everything and anything except anal.

So I came to see her again two days ago. In my mind, I had nothing to lose if that didn't happen. I can move from one bar to another and keep looking.

Turn out she was a beast, end up with two sessions, and she sucked me dry until the last drop.

The problem is I didn't ask her mobile number or can't remember the name of the shop. But it was the one at the end, MRT or Grand MRT I think.[/QUOTE]I found it on the map Grand MTR last bar on the north end exactly like you mentioned. Thanks for the info. We need more info and reports on all the bars in the kota Indah complex.

I just finished my first time doing the rounds of some of places frequently mentioned in this forum. This is report is going to be a little different.

Classic.

I had read that lately the rooms get busy at 5:30 ish and so I decided to see what was going on there at 5. When I got here there was only about 50 girls. MS kept trying to get my attention. From reading this forum I expect this and told I want to drink a beer first to get my bearings. Their touting was slightly intrusive but mostly amusing. If you are not in a hurry the MS routine is no big deal. A The girls looked lively. However, the few really good looking ones seemed less lively so I left. I will add this. On a previous trip to Jakarta I vistied the ground floor space around 7 on a weekday. At that point I did not know there was an upstairs and I was just curious to see the infamous Classic. There were only 3 other dudes there at that time of day. I thought the girls there on the whole were consistently better looking than what I saw 2 floors above at around 5 ish. I did not partake as I had to be somewhere that evening. I will have to go back to terminal later in the evening to see if the overall selection improves into the night.

Emporium.

So I ended up at Emporium after Classic which is a short walk. Before I paid the entrance fee they they explained the pricing. Somehow 200.000 tip for the girl was part of the pricing which knew from reading this is BS. But do I really want to put a negative cast on this visit for the price 2 coffees in America? They should just be honest and say the entrance fee is 1. 8 and 1. 6. Before I paid entrance I asked how many girls and the MS said there are 28 and I said but how many available right now? She replied 20. When the line up came out there were maybe 10. Three of these were on the "higher" price range. There were a few that had certifiably amazing bodies. Faces not so much. I picked the tallest most hour glass shaped and she met me in the spa. One definite thing about this place is everything is very clean and classy. That alone made the higher price point worth it. The lady I was with definitely had a smoking body, we chit chatted in the pool. There was a lot of touching but according to her things can not get too freaky in the pool area. Shower 1 near the pool. We got to the room. Shower 2 in the room 3 minutes from the end of the first one because why? We do the deed. Body is smoking but she was just adequate action wise. Did just enough BJ and was not into receiving. After the deed she told me that usually there are more girls working. She asked me for tip which seemed silly as all my shit is obviously in the locker. This is after she told me she has been working there 2 years. I suspect if I try a newer girl there might be a little more passion. Either that I should just say tip at my discretion upfront. I will go back with adjusted expectations. Overall it was about 1. 8 with the "mandated" tip.

Kota Indah.

Went there and saw there are many more spots than are discussed on this forum. I could tell my gocek driver was kind of grossed out by me getting out there. I hit up Starmoon first. Fish bowl situation. Most of them looked really bored but were mostly sitting up and presentable. I was told it was happy hour and if I understood correctly it is 250 or 200 an hour during happy hour. Eventually I found out that happy hour starts most days at 2 and ends at 8 . MS kept shining the pointer on different girls asking if I want that one, or that one or that one. She was hitting them in the face with the laser and I kept telling her to stop. After a while I decided I could do better and moved on to Royal and got there at 8. Royal is f'ing insane. It is one part sports bar 2 parts brothel and one part flop house. Because they are not set up for fishbowl all the girls are sitting in one part of the bar in booths and at tables packed like sardines. They were so many packed so tightly with so little light I could barely see who was worth my time and money. Unlike the other places they were mostly in street clothes. Some are sleeping, most are on their phone, all of them look bored as hell. Very uninspiring. MS got in front of me and said this one. Out of reflex and general revulsion I automatically said no but then did a double take. The girl I initially said no to was cute as hell. Super charming, could really flirt, was dressed to impress and shaped like the number 8. We sat down drank a beer in another area and then took care of business in one of the squalid rooms upstairs. She was pretty good. Although the place is a dump this specific girl made it worth it. 450 + 50 tip.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2933983]Excellent report brother. I was already planning on checking out Kota Indah when I get there, specifically Starmoon, Royal and Royal VIP. Now I will have to check out your new place as well. I like how she was open to taking pics that is awesome. How much IDR was this session?? Did you tip for the BBFS or pics or was that included in the base price?[/QUOTE]I will start my reply with "don't get your expectations too high". To me that punting quality was very rare, more rare than the blue unicorns in mars. TBH, most of my experience at Kota Indah quite the opposite. She is extremely rare breed, YMMV tho. On the first session, I tip her 100 k idr. But I spent time after our session, drinking couple beers and pull her next to me. We talked, I asked a lot of questions about her, her family, etc. Kinda build connections. The fact that I'm asian who speak fluent bahasa really helps.

Second meet up, I tip her 400 k IDR. Since I took two vouchers, we end up use the full two hours, purely I'm no longer spring chicken. Spent 30-40 hours in between fuck where I massage her to make her relax, and eat her again to start round two.

Like I said, YMMV, she might not be open to anyone but good luck as you never know until you try.

3 days, 3 chicks and 3 outstanding experiences.

After a harrowing flight; waiting of 5. 5 hours for connecting flight to Jakarta in Saigon and then horrible customs clearance at Terminal 2 of Jakarta airport, my nightmare ended when I was informed that I had been upgraded to a premium 527 square feet room on 18th floor of Holiday Inn Gajah Mada. Awesome corner room with plenty of natural light and a wide window in washroom as well.

Monday checked in at 6. 30 PM. I was dead tired and sleep deprived; so, pinged my old chicks. One of them came at 10.15 PM and left at 10.45 PM, job done and me a happy satisfied man. I asked her do you want to go and she said up to you. I said leave and off she went.

2nd day, where else but Emporium. Reached at 4. 30. Very few girls on Tuesday. Mamasan knew my choice and suggested 2 girls. Brought them over to me. One was damn beautiful, sexy, and curvaceous but he was not sure of service as she was a new joiner. I wanted to take her but noticed the hesitation on Mamasan face. The 2nd chick name if I recall correctly was Risa, slim 20-year-old with big boobs and was constantly smiling. He said take her and obviously I knew from her demeanour that she was very friendly girl. I am not into petite girls but she was the best at that point of time. Mamasan explained to her my needs and when he said CIM, she laughed and used the word "CARE" twice and she nodded her head. I can only inform my colleagues here that we extended our 90-minute session and out of that time our tongues never moved away from each other. If I was tired of DFK, she simply did not give up and did her best to make me cum but ultimately had a CIM. She tried to take her face away but I did not allow her and held her face. She gave me a shower and was still playing with my dick from behind and kissing my body. No complaints and gave her a tip of 200 K. My legs were shaking as I fucked her in all positions, was dead tired; had zero energy and juice left in my body. Came to hotel, had a cup of coffee and Dunno when but dozed off for an hour to wake up at 10.15 PM. Got up, had my shower, and reached Bat's at 11.30 PM with the sole intention of enjoying the live band with a couple of drinks and no chick for the night.

Not many chicks in Bat's but I specifically counted that 5 were very cute and beautiful. One chick was being approached by a lot of punters, she was very cute and naughty but my guess was correct. Met a punter who had approached her and he told me she is asking 300 USD. A few approached me too but I politely said no. I left the club at 1. 30 am and saw one very beautiful girl sitting in lobby while I was waiting for my cab. Called her and took her number. I called her to my room today afternoon and what can I say, outstanding and wonderful experience with her. She is tall and typically the woman I like. Tall, Sweet, beautiful, wifey looks and humble with wow service. She also likes DFK and our tongues were inter locked forever. I could not cum in pussy but had a very wet, sensual, long, and loving BJ with CIM. She kept looking at my face even after I had discharged in her mouth to ensure that I was satisfied and nodded my head off to indicate that not even a drop left in my system. Wiped my dick with a tissue before her shower. We had a chat post my shower that she is 35 years old and has a 11-year-old son. I have no issues with that as she left me a satisfied and a contended man. Lovely woman indeed. The pics for your perusal Gents. Isn't that ass to die for?

Till my next Jakarta FR, Ciao.

Regards.

Hallo. Any [URL]seeking.com[/URL] users on this chatt? I have using the site for 3 years and in last year I beieve to be going downhill. Anyone else with similar expereinces? There are very few options and many of the girls are old timers. One suspect is many are on Tinder or other dating apps. I also got the intel that many of girls now post in Singapore because there is more money there and lads are flying girls up for the weekend. Damm rich people.

Any insights to shares? I check Bali and its stunning european girls who thereby charging so much money.

Time to delete app?

[QUOTE=Lumens;2934045]I just finished my first time doing the rounds of some of places frequently mentioned in this forum. This is report is going to be a little different.

Classic.

I had read that lately the rooms get busy at 5:30 ish and so I decided to see what was going on there at 5. When I got here there was only about 50 girls. MS kept trying to get my attention. From reading this forum I expect this and told I want to drink a beer first to get my bearings. Their touting was slightly intrusive but mostly amusing. If you are not in a hurry the MS routine is no big deal. A The girls looked lively. However, the few really good looking ones seemed less lively so I left. I will add this. On a previous trip to Jakarta I vistied the ground floor space around 7 on a weekday. At that point I did not know there was an upstairs and I was just curious to see the infamous Classic. There were only 3 other dudes there at that time of day. I thought the girls there on the whole were consistently better looking than what I saw 2 floors above at around 5 ish. I did not partake as I had to be somewhere that evening. I will have to go back to terminal later in the evening to see if the overall selection improves into the night.

Emporium.

So I ended up at Emporium after Classic which is a short walk. Before I paid the entrance fee they they explained the pricing. Somehow 200.000 tip for the girl was part of the pricing which knew from reading this is BS. But do I really want to put a negative cast on this visit for the price 2 coffees in America? They should just be honest and say the entrance fee is 1. 8 and 1. 6. Before I paid entrance I asked how many girls and the MS said there are 28 and I said but how many available right now? She replied 20. When the line up came out there were maybe 10. Three of these were on the "higher" price range. There were a few that had certifiably amazing bodies. Faces not so much. I picked the tallest most hour glass shaped and she met me in the spa. One definite thing about this place is everything is very clean and classy. That alone made the higher price point worth it. The lady I was with definitely had a smoking body, we chit chatted in the pool. There was a lot of touching but according to her things can not get too freaky in the pool area. Shower 1 near the pool. We got to the room. Shower 2 in the room 3 minutes from the end of the first one because why? We do the deed. Body is smoking but she was just adequate action wise. Did just enough BJ and was not into receiving. After the deed she told me that usually there are more girls working. She asked me for tip which seemed silly as all my shit is obviously in the locker. This is after she told me she has been working there 2 years. I suspect if I try a newer girl there might be a little more passion. Either that I should just say tip at my discretion upfront. I will go back with adjusted expectations. Overall it was about 1. 8 with the "mandated" tip.

Kota Indah.

Went there and saw there are many more spots than are discussed on this forum. I could tell my gocek driver was kind of grossed out by me getting out there. I hit up Starmoon first. Fish bowl situation. Most of them looked really bored but were mostly sitting up and presentable. I was told it was happy hour and if I understood correctly it is 250 or 200 an hour during happy hour. Eventually I found out that happy hour starts most days at 2 and ends at 8 . MS kept shining the pointer on different girls asking if I want that one, or that one or that one. She was hitting them in the face with the laser and I kept telling her to stop. After a while I decided I could do better and moved on to Royal and got there at 8. Royal is f'ing insane. It is one part sports bar 2 parts brothel and one part flop house. Because they are not set up for fishbowl all the girls are sitting in one part of the bar in booths and at tables packed like sardines. They were so many packed so tightly with so little light I could barely see who was worth my time and money. Unlike the other places they were mostly in street clothes. Some are sleeping, most are on their phone, all of them look bored as hell. Very uninspiring. MS got in front of me and said this one. Out of reflex and general revulsion I automatically said no but then did a double take. The girl I initially said no to was cute as hell. Super charming, could really flirt, was dressed to impress and shaped like the number 8. We sat down drank a beer in another area and then took care of business in one of the squalid rooms upstairs. She was pretty good. Although the place is a dump this specific girl made it worth it. 450 + 50 tip.[/QUOTE]I've read many reports over the years. Your report made me laugh out loud. Place is a dump. One part flop house. One of the squalid rooms.

Thanks!

I am going to Jakarta next week.

I'll be in Jakarta next wk for the first time. I'm a seasoned monger (USA Mexico Ukraine Asia).

I used SA before. Its expensive. US $130 a month. Sometimes its easy to meet girls but one problem is they message you after wanting to meet up again. I currently don't have a paid subscription so I can only browse and not send / read messages.

There's quite a few good looking Jakarta girls. See attached pics. I'm only going to be in Jakarta for maybe 3 full days before I go to Thailand. I really want to check out Emporium and Classic and give a shot of meeting girls in malls during the day. I feel like that's a better way to spend my time than hooking up with a SA girl (s). What are your thoughts?

Entirely depends on what you prefer. Whether you want to occupy yourself with SA girls or go to the clubs and massage places. Only difference would be the price point. SA will definitely cost you more than any of these clubs guys usually resort to.

If 1/2 SA girls a day for longer periods of time satisfy your needs, then go for it. On the other hand, you want to be with as many girls possibly as you can get, go with massage for day game and clubs for evening. Alternatively, try both. What to loose!

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2934279]I'll be in Jakarta next wk for the first time. I'm a seasoned monger (USA Mexico Ukraine Asia).

I used SA before. Its expensive. US $130 a month. Sometimes its easy to meet girls but one problem is they message you after wanting to meet up again. I currently don't have a paid subscription so I can only browse and not send / read messages.

There's quite a few good looking Jakarta girls. See attached pics. I'm only going to be in Jakarta for maybe 3 full days before I go to Thailand. I really want to check out Emporium and Classic and give a shot of meeting girls in malls during the day. I feel like that's a better way to spend my time than hooking up with a SA girl (s). What are your thoughts?[/QUOTE]

I'm trying to put together some local wording / sentences which would benefit all here. Since you speak bahasa fluently, maybe you can help with the translation of below terms. I'm more curious to know the local terms / phrases / Slang for the below words. You don't need to translate word for word like google does and sometimes locals looks at us with confusion or simply don't understand what we are trying to say.

BBBJ. Bare Back Blowjob -.

BBFS. Bare Back full sex -.

DFK. Deep French Kiss -.

CIM. Cum in mouth -.

AFS. Anal sex.

Make love -.

Big Boobs -.

Small boobs -.

Spinner -.

Full Figured -.

Others feel free to chime in if you think of any other particular words.

[QUOTE=ZachyBoy;2934061]I will start my reply with "don't get your expectations too high". To me that punting quality was very rare, more rare than the blue unicorns in mars. TBH, most of my experience at Kota Indah quite the opposite. She is extremely rare breed, YMMV tho. On the first session, I tip her 100 k idr. But I spent time after our session, drinking couple beers and pull her next to me. We talked, I asked a lot of questions about her, her family, etc. Kinda build connections. The fact that I'm asian who speak fluent bahasa really helps.

Second meet up, I tip her 400 k IDR. Since I took two vouchers, we end up use the full two hours, purely I'm no longer spring chicken. Spent 30-40 hours in between fuck where I massage her to make her relax, and eat her again to start round two.

Like I said, YMMV, she might not be open to anyone but good luck as you never know until you try.[/QUOTE]

Long time lurker, tried to register on here many times but it's strange as I don't get the activation email or other issues.

My report on Jakarta last week:

Day 1.

Touched down at lunchtime, checked into Classic Hotel. Got a great deal and it's not a bad hotel actually, a bit tired tho. Went straight to 2nd floor & surrounded by mamasans, a bit pushy but it's fine really. Really had a ball, must've been introduced to 10 girls or more. Chose 2 girls with 1 girl being really hot & spoke English, the other in miniskirt & curvier but not much English. I actually rejected the first friend she suggested, wasn't my type but made sure both girls fine with DFK. In the end I wished just gone for the 1st girl, the 2nd girl had a slight belly & without English skills she looked a bit bored. And she want skilful at BBJ at all.

Day 2.

Went to Classic again, just had a beer & talked to a few ladies but wasn't really feeling it.

Day 3.

Checked out Mali club, arrived at 715 but told its open at 8. They searched my bag and said I had to finish my drink which I did but tbh the vibes weren't great. Then when I went to reception they said the entry fee is 154 k but it's free if I take a lady my gut just told me to turn back. Maybe just a bit paranoid but with how the security guards acted I half expected them to say that I already came inside and couldn't turn back but they let me out.

In general Jakarta is very liberal, I found the dating apps pretty good tbh. Obviously Muslim ladies have to marry Muslim but for dating they are free to date as they please which kinda implies flings. And this was what I was told and felt when I met up with some dates. But obviously ymmv.

If you are goings to sign up, make sure to use promo code. You can finds them online. Just search. You can finds 33% off discount plus plus.

Yes, there are the stunning ladies on SA in Jakarta. But they knows their worth, and are hired by rich Indos or rich expats. So the prices can range from 2. 5-5 M per hour. I have found models, actresses that in the 10 M range. So the YMMV.

My original points is that in Jakarta it has changed from 2 years ago. But for me, I prefer civil ladies vs the spas. But that is me.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2934279]I'll be in Jakarta next wk for the first time. I'm a seasoned monger (USA Mexico Ukraine Asia).

I used SA before. Its expensive. US $130 a month. Sometimes its easy to meet girls but one problem is they message you after wanting to meet up again. I currently don't have a paid subscription so I can only browse and not send / read messages.

There's quite a few good looking Jakarta girls. See attached pics. I'm only going to be in Jakarta for maybe 3 full days before I go to Thailand. I really want to check out Emporium and Classic and give a shot of meeting girls in malls during the day. I feel like that's a better way to spend my time than hooking up with a SA girl (s). What are your thoughts?[/QUOTE]

Tell me how it goes. I'm heading to Jakarta soon too and will probably check out SA and maybe Tinder. SA has been excellent in London / Europe but strangely not so great in Thailand / Vietnam since the volume of girls is rather small and too many of them are just toe-dipping. IMO SA girls (the top tier ones) are usually hotter and more interesting than girls at the bars / clubs in SE Asia and often their English is OK or evengood.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2934279]I'll be in Jakarta next wk for the first time. I'm a seasoned monger (USA Mexico Ukraine Asia).

I used SA before. Its expensive. US $130 a month. Sometimes its easy to meet girls but one problem is they message you after wanting to meet up again. I currently don't have a paid subscription so I can only browse and not send / read messages.

There's quite a few good looking Jakarta girls. See attached pics. I'm only going to be in Jakarta for maybe 3 full days before I go to Thailand. I really want to check out Emporium and Classic and give a shot of meeting girls in malls during the day. I feel like that's a better way to spend my time than hooking up with a SA girl (s). What are your thoughts?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JonnySutton;2934625]Tell me how it goes. I'm heading to Jakarta soon too and will probably check out SA and maybe Tinder. SA has been excellent in London / Europe but strangely not so great in Thailand / Vietnam since the volume of girls is rather small and too many of them are just toe-dipping. IMO SA girls (the top tier ones) are usually hotter and more interesting than girls at the bars / clubs in SE Asia and often their English is OK or evengood.[/QUOTE]So, I decided not to use SA. Girls look expensive. A few Europeans (why would I go to Jakarta to fuck a Rusky? Also, I don't like meeting girls that have pics from trips to Sydney, Singapore, Dubai, Paris, KL, etc.

My plan is visiting malls during the day and EMP and Classic in the evening. Will provide a report.

I arrive at CGK, 1:20 pm on Friday. I estimate I'll arrive at Luminor at 5.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2934279]I'll be in Jakarta next wk for the first time. I'm a seasoned monger (USA Mexico Ukraine Asia).

I used SA before. Its expensive. US $130 a month. Sometimes its easy to meet girls but one problem is they message you after wanting to meet up again. I currently don't have a paid subscription so I can only browse and not send / read messages.

There's quite a few good looking Jakarta girls. See attached pics. I'm only going to be in Jakarta for maybe 3 full days before I go to Thailand. I really want to check out Emporium and Classic and give a shot of meeting girls in malls during the day. I feel like that's a better way to spend my time than hooking up with a SA girl (s). What are your thoughts?[/QUOTE]All your excamples are, by looking at their face, ice cold gold diggers.

Poor chap who has to pay $$ for those decoration girls.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2934545]I'm trying to put together some local wording / sentences which would benefit all here. Since you speak bahasa fluently, maybe you can help with the translation of below terms. I'm more curious to know the local terms / phrases / Slang for the below words. You don't need to translate word for word like google does and sometimes locals looks at us with confusion or simply don't understand what we are trying to say.[/QUOTE]Hi Zippos,

Not sure you will get what you looking for. Indo is a very diverse and Muslim country; they don't have the exact Bahasa for the above. Slang is different for every district or people who come from different backgrounds. Slang words for girls who come from Bandung will be different from the girls who come from Manado. For example, Make Love is 'Ngewe' or 'Ngentot' or 'Naek', or 'Maen', but 'Maen' is the same word that the locals use for playing 'Main'.

BBFS, is 'engga pake kondom' or if you translate it back to English means No condom. But like I said, the local might say 'terjun bebas' which is doesn't make sense if you translate it back to English.

Because 'terjun bebas' is jumping without parachute.

That's the first challenge, the other challenge is even if you know the word, you still can't pronounce it like a local does. If let's say you can, they still know that you are a blue / foreigner from your appearance and treat you as a non-local resident. My suggestion is to organise meet up with locals, organise / invite them as a tour guide. They will open a lot of doors for you.

I would like to contribute by reporting my discovery. By doing a search on telegram and cross-referencing it with the data from the map posted here a few pages ago I discovered the telegram account of the De Momo spa hotel. The account is called "DE FAMS" and refers to the two sister SPAs De Momo and De Nattsu. There are photos of the girls with rates for 90 min "full service" (all included), and at first glance the price seems excellent. I looked at the photos and the girls are all young and beautiful. They also have a 3 in 1 promotion, which if I understood correctly you save by paying for 3 services in advance to use with 3 different girls or as you prefer. I was also contacted by someone from the Maxwell hotel spa who showed me the photos of the Maxwell girls, also very young and beautiful, always 90 min full service but slightly higher price (contact found within the DE FAMS account [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]).

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2934710]All your excamples are, by looking at their face, ice cold gold diggers.

Poor chap who has to pay $$ for those decoration girls.[/QUOTE]"Ice cold gold diggers. " Exactly!

When I see a pic of a girl in Dubai, KL, in business class on a plane, suite in a nice hotel, or holding a bouquet of flowers or Chanel shopping bag, etc, I just click "next. "

Like I wrongly posted in the general forum, my first day I went to
Emporivm, and had a great experience.

Next day, Friday, I took the 10 minute walk from Redtop hotel to Classic.
Traffic and bad sidewalks not withstanding, it's walkable, but keep your
eyes on the road, not your phone. I'd not want to walk there at night
if it was the first time though, as sidewalks are really bad and you
can step into something bad and hurt yourself.

I was going to post a description
of classic, but then I saw Nuttin Serious's post
(http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=2757727&viewfull=1#post2757727),
and he says it a lot better than I could, and what he says about the
procedure is still as it is today, so I'll just add a few details about
my experience.

As Nuttin Serious says, there are several mamasans in the room, and each
seems to have her own herd of girls. My first day, Friday, I happened
to only deal with one mamasan, Cha-Cha she told me her name was the
next day, and I kinda liked her. A bit brusque and business-like, but
friendly enough and with some humour. The next day I got to experience
the other mamasans, and they were all annoying, pushy, and had trouble
understanding "no". So I recommend asking for mamasan Cha-Cha if
you want to get a good start.

So on Friday I entered at around 5pm, and the immediate impression,
after last nights evening at Emporivm, was that I was no longer flying
first class. If Emporivm is a luxury train moving at a comfortable
pace, Classic is a low-cost airline getting you to your destinations
more quickly, but also less comfortably. But: there are many more girls
at Classic. Easily 3-4 times as many as at Emporivm.

Mamasan Cha-Cha asked me what kind of girl I wanted, listing some
general terms for me to get the drift (thin, big boobs, no baby, etc.)
Thin and no baby was my answer, and she herded up 6-7 girls, none of
which I like much.

I'd rate the girls in general as something between "high-end" Bangkok
bar-girls, or low-end Bangkok go-go bar girls.

So I told mamasan to show me other girls, and she herded up another
10-12 girls. One quickly stood out to me, and after asking mamasan
to again use the flashlight on her phone so I could see something
in this dark and dingy hall, her light confirmed my choice
and eye contact indicated she was ok about me too.

I told mamasan I was interested in this girl, who turned out to have a
name starting with L. I'd rate her as a weak 8. Mamasan told the girl
something, I guess, "step up to this guy and be friendly". She didn't
speak much English at all, but I could test the waters for a few minutes
while she was standing between my legs.

Being satisfied, I indicated to mamasan I'd like to go with this girl,
and you can read in Nuttin Serious's excellent post how that procedure is.

L and I went down to the rooms, took a shower, and I laid down on the bed.
She started sucking my dick. After she had sucked my dick long enough,
I like the day before pulled her on top of me, but did not enter her
pussy. Instead we just grinded against each other.

Like the day before I was curious about whether condoms would be required
or not. I kept grinding against her, with her on top of me, and my
dick sometimes almost entering, and her moving away when it happened.
After a few more minutes of this, she said "condom", but I told her to
wait, and continued grinding, trying to arouse her a bit too. A few
minutes after that my dick entered her without any objections, and I
also came inside her without any objections.

Unlike the Emporivm girl, who was shocked/surprised when I did that,
and I had to calm her down by telling her I'd had a vasectomy, so not
to worry, the Classic girl did not react, and no explanation was needed.

After finishing, it was obviously time to leave, unlike the Emporivm
girl who seemed to expect that we lay in bed until time was up.

Anyway, service was good, girl was friendly, and I don't know if I got
extra good service or not with the BBFSCIM, but I tipped her 100,000,
which seemed to be enough based on her reaction.


Next day, Saturday, I again went to Classic, arriving there around 17:30.
I was beset on by another mamasan, showing me her herd. There were no-one
amongst her 10-12 girls I was shown that I thought were pretty enough,
so I moved to another area, and another mamasan repeated the procedure
with her herd.

I thought there was here one or two who I might want to bang, if nobody
better, but even they were no more than a weak 7 to me, so I again
moved to another area, which happened to be the area of the mamasan from
yesterday, Cha-Cha. She remembered me, and this time also introduced
herself. She then introduced her herd again, and I noticed L from
yesterday too.

I hadn't planned on taking L again, as I wanted a different girl for
variation, but sad fact is she was the most pretty. She could see I
wasn't planning on taking her, so just smiled and laughed a bit when
mamasan apparently remembered I took her yesterday, and tried to bring
her forward to me, hoping I'd take her again.

Anyway, L came up to me and we exchanged hello's. I was a bit unsure
about what to do. Yes, she was the most pretty one, but I didn't want
to take the same p4p girl twice in a row as it's a bit boring for me.

I had been thinking a bit about threesomes earlier today. The mamasans
at Classic are really pushing taking two girls.

I know any lesbian action will be virtually impossible, but even
without that, I imagine a random threesome will for sure involve a lot
of condom changes and tissue wipes for junior, which will of course ruin
the experience, as for many other brothers here, and I will be left with
thinking I should have taken just one girl.

But, being unsure about taking L again, or looking at more girls, I
started talking with her if she had any good friend amongst her group
of girls. After a bit back and forth she understood what I meant, and
pointed at a girl. I was not sure which one she meant as there were
about 15 girls sitting closely together, so she asked her friend to come
up to us. I'd rate her friend as a 6, so told L "no", and she sent her
friend back. I asked L what about girl X, a girl who I liked quite
a bit more. L was not sure who I meant, but mamasan could understand,
and brought the girl up to us.

I asked L, "what about this girl" as X was coming down, but L said she
did not know that girl. L and mamasan exchanged some words, not sure
what. I think I'm a decent judge of communication and body language,
even when I don't understand a word that was said, so when L said it was
up to me while laughing, it did not feel like she was being pressured
to do this by mamasan, but that in truth she did not know this girl
well and it would probably be a bit akward.


My instinct was however that this would then probably end up with a
lot of condom swapping and tissue cleaning between two girls that were
not friends. So I told mamasan to send X back, and again asked
L what other girl she liked. She again pointed to her 6' friend, again
talking with her and her getting up. Her 6' friend was frowning at us
quite a bit, but L indicated she smiles a lot and it was her best friend.

Well, I could not see much smiling, but L insisted the 6 was a happy
girl, so I thought perhaps the 6 is the type of girl who frowns more
than she smiles and laughs, which turned out to be true. In the end I
said to L ok, we go with your friend. I was thinking a good experience
with L and her 6 friend was better than a condom swapping tissue wiping
experience between L and X (who I'd rate slightly below L in looks).

I then paid mamasan just 150,000 more for two girls than for one girl
(total of 500,000, as I've read in other reports). That's really a
bargain compared to Thailand, were two girls are simply the price of one
girl multiplied by two.

In the room, while the other girl was showering and could not see, L
brought up two condoms, showing me we should use them, but I just turned
my head side to side for a no while laughing. She repeated this a few
times and I said no in various semi humorous ways, took the condoms out
of her hand and hid them under the towel.

When her friend came out of the shower L started a conversation with
her friend about this. I of course understood nothing of the words,
but it was pretty clear L was telling her friend I did not want to use
condoms, and her friend being a bit pissed about this, and L convincing
her friend to not use condoms.

I had been trying to get L's friend to warm up a bit up until now, and
pulled her down on the bed next to me, while I pulled L's head down on
my dick. I then started fondling L's friend (lets call her 6), while L
was sucking my dick. After a while I indicated for L and the 6 to swap
positions, which involved a little bit of tissue wiping which I quickly
stopped, pushing my dick into 6's mouth, while fondling L. L and
6 then swapped positions a few times, with me in a laughing way
throwing away any tissue they wanted to wipe junior with when
changing positions.

A bit later I pulled L on top of me and entered her pussy, while I pulled
6 next to me on the bed. After fucking L for a while with her on top
of me, I pulled L of, and entered 6, fucking her. At this point I was a
happy camper, and swapping back and forth between L and 6 was no problem.

I tried to get L to suck my dick after pulling out of 6, but that was
no go unfortunately. Same with pulling out of L and putting my dick in
6's mouth: no go, had to wash in shower first.

But ok, I could at least swap pussys without problems, which was the
most important thing, and enough to make me a happy camper.

In the end I finished in 6, which she was not happy about, and I then had
to explain to them both about the vasectomy. The 6 did not understand
my explanation it seemed, so L then explained it to her in Indonesian.

I was planning on fucking them both again, this time finishing in L.
The girls were ok about this, but I guess old age is starting to catch
up with me, and I would have needed more than the 60 minutes allotted me
for Junior to get ready again.

Anyway, the experience was really good for me, being able to
fuck them both without any condom swapping. I'm pretty sure
this was due to L persuading her friend, so in the end I tipped
L's friend 100,000, and L herself 200,000.

A few hours later I met a girl from online dating at shopping mall, but
she did not want to go to bed with me, so when back I instead went to
Emporivm, where I again fucked the girl from my first night. I had
brought with me some K-Y as I planned to finish in her pussy once,
and then try to do anal with her as an encore, but unfortunately it
seems I'm still struggling to adapt expectations to my new reality.
After finishing in her pussy again, junior did not wake up for a second
session withing the 90 minutes allotted.

Tomorrow/Sunday will be my last day here, as Monday I'm going back to
Bangkok for another month.

I'll probably go to Classic again around 5pm as today. I asked L
if she had other friends, and she said she had four good friends.
I think it will be a bit boring for Junior if I take L three days in
a row, even with a friend, so will probably try to find another girl.
When exiting with L and 6 today, I did notice there were more girls at
18:30 then when I arrived at around 17:30, and I saw some I liked.

For the evening, unless I happen to meet a regular girl via online dating,
I'm not sure if I'll go to Emporivm again, or Classic a second time in
the same day. Or maybe just work.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2934898]

I was planning on fucking them both again, this time finishing in L.
The girls were ok about this, but I guess old age is starting to catch
up with me, and I would have needed more than the 60 minutes allotted me
for Junior to get ready again.

[/QUOTE]A great report!!

Just so I'm clear, does the two-fer deal at Classic and Travel include two shots in the hour? My understanding was girl 2 came at a discount but only one shot was included.

Sounds like you got a great deal.

Cheers. G.

So it has been awhile for me. More than 10 years ago I went to Kota Indah? There was a club there that also had a location in kelapa gading as well. They were like a chain business at the time.

Could that club have been sari ayu? If it was, is sari ayu still located in kelapa gading?

What would be a list of bars / spots you would go to in kelapa gading aside from the following:

1. kings cross.

2. the' Heaven.

Sumo is also in the same Kelapa Gading complex as King Cross. It's also a high end spa where you can get full service.

The bar you are thinking of is MTR2. The prices are more expensive there though. I believe around the 550 K range and I am pretty sure it has different owners now and is not affiliated with MTR any longer. But the setup is similar to what you would see in the KI places although with less ladies.

There is also another Spa in the complex called Vermouth where you can get a massage and full service. I don't think there is a the'heaven there. But there is a Delta Spa for a regular massage.

Just north of the King Cross complex is another complex that I believe has several spas that specialize in BJs. I can't recall all of their names. But one spa is named Blitz. I think there is a Glow Inc branch close to the Blitz as well.

[QUOTE=Wahoowhit;2934969]So it has been awhile for me. More than 10 years ago I went to Kota Indah? There was a club there that also had a location in kelapa gading as well. They were like a chain business at the time.

Could that club have been sari ayu? If it was, is sari ayu still located in kelapa gading?

What would be a list of bars / spots you would go to in kelapa gading aside from the following:

1. kings cross.

2. the' Heaven.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2934912]A great report!!

Just so I'm clear, does the two-fer deal at Classic and Travel include two shots in the hour? My understanding was girl 2 came at a discount but only one shot was included.

Sounds like you got a great deal.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]Thanks. It's only one shot I believe. I think they get the condoms from management, so two girls, two condoms, and you can swap girls once, while also swapping condoms at the same time.

However, as always, the more the girl tolerates you, the better the experience, especially when a tip is included. I had tipped L 100,000 the day before, which I guessed is an ok tip for good service, but anyone with more Jakarta-experience please correct me if I'm wrong. She was GF-like enough to not mention anything about extra money, but I'm sure she expected there to be a decent tip for good service today also, which I'm sure was the reason for her minor arguments with her friend about condoms and sex twice.

L asked me at the beginning, while holding up the two condoms if I wanted to finish once or twice, and I tried to indicate once in 6, once in L. She laughed a bit about this, asking me if I was that strong, to which I responded not sure, will see. One or two times. She and 6 then had some minor argument about this, but it was all friendly, and it was at this time I found out that 6 was simply the type of girl who frowns a lot more than she smiles, even though she's a good enough sport when it comes to actually doing things. In the end, even though L on my request tried to wake up junior with a BJ for round two (after forcing me to wash him in the shower since I had been fucking 6 last), it was a no go due to my own fault.

6 and L were obviously good friends and were chatting and laughing a lot. I could force them playfully to some minor girl-girl interaction, but it was limited to them rubbing each others pussy or breasts in a playful manner, one girl smacking the ass of the girl I was fucking from behind, etc. They made sure to do all of that in a joking manner so there could be no confusion they were actually into each others in a lesbian way, and L a couple of times also said "no lesbian" while laughing.

Like I said, I also did have a fantasy of fucking one girl in the pussy, then the other girl in the mouth, and swapping back and forth a bit like that, but that was a definite no go, joking or not unfortunately. As I'm writing this I'm thinking if I had offered up an extra tip for that there and then, maybe they'd go for it. I however did not think about it at the time as I was happy enough swapping pussys back and forth freely.

Thanks ZachyBoy for detailed explanation. I did ran into similar issues where meaning changes and differs from region to region. I do have local friends whom I hangout with once or twice per trip but due to timing and their family commitments, doesn't really happens every day. For the shits and giggle, I might try the jumping without parachute.

[QUOTE=ZachyBoy;2934789]Hi Zippos,

Not sure you will get what you looking for. Indo is a very diverse and Muslim country; they don't have the exact Bahasa for the above. Slang is different for every district or people who come from different backgrounds. Slang words for girls who come from Bandung will be different from the girls who come from Manado. For example, Make Love is 'Ngewe' or 'Ngentot' or 'Naek', or 'Maen', but 'Maen' is the same word that the locals use for playing 'Main'.

BBFS, is 'engga pake kondom' or if you translate it back to English means No condom. But like I said, the local might say 'terjun bebas' which is doesn't make sense if you translate it back to English.

Because 'terjun bebas' is jumping without parachute.

That's the first challenge, the other challenge is even if you know the word, you still can't pronounce it like a local does. If let's say you can, they still know that you are a blue / foreigner from your appearance and treat you as a non-local resident. My suggestion is to organise meet up with locals, organise / invite them as a tour guide. They will open a lot of doors for you.[/QUOTE]

Hey G,

In reality, if you can pop 2 x within the allotted time, 2 it is given girl is friendly and willing to go extra mile for some extra tip. I usually tip 100-200/ girl depending on her willingness and performance and they would always ask if I want to go second time or add more time. Never had an issue with that. I will clarify with Mama and my buddy there next month when I am in classic.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2934912]A great report!!

Just so I'm clear, does the two-fer deal at Classic and Travel include two shots in the hour? My understanding was girl 2 came at a discount but only one shot was included.

Sounds like you got a great deal.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]

Just a suggestion, perhaps buy more time on your next trip to full-fill your fantasies. Extra always comes handy for a fraction of price.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2934987]Thanks. It's only one shot I believe. I think they get the condoms from management, so two girls, two condoms, and you can swap girls once, while also swapping condoms at the same time.

However, as always, the more the girl tolerates you, the better the experience, especially when a tip is included. I had tipped L 100,000 the day before, which I guessed is an ok tip for good service, but anyone with more Jakarta-experience please correct me if I'm wrong. She was GF-like enough to not mention anything about extra money, but I'm sure she expected there to be a decent tip for good service today also, which I'm sure was the reason for her minor arguments with her friend about condoms and sex twice.

L asked me at the beginning, while holding up the two condoms if I wanted to finish once or twice, and I tried to indicate once in 6, once in L. She laughed a bit about this, asking me if I was that strong, to which I responded not sure, will see. One or two times. She and 6 then had some minor argument about this, but it was all friendly, and it was at this time I found out that 6 was simply the type of girl who frowns a lot more than she smiles, even though she's a good enough sport when it comes to actually doing things. In the end, even though L on my request tried to wake up junior with a BJ for round two (after forcing me to wash him in the shower since I had been fucking 6 last), it was a no go due to my own fault.

6 and L were obviously good friends and were chatting and laughing a lot. I could force them playfully to some minor girl-girl interaction, but it was limited to them rubbing each others pussy or breasts in a playful manner, one girl smacking the ass of the girl I was fucking from behind, etc. They made sure to do all of that in a joking manner so there could be no confusion they were actually into each others in a lesbian way, and L a couple of times also said "no lesbian" while laughing.

Like I said, I also did have a fantasy of fucking one girl in the pussy, then the other girl in the mouth, and swapping back and forth a bit like that, but that was a definite no go, joking or not unfortunately. As I'm writing this I'm thinking if I had offered up an extra tip for that there and then, maybe they'd go for it. I however did not think about it at the time as I was happy enough swapping pussys back and forth freely.[/QUOTE]

Most girls survive on tips and that's what keeps them going. I believe if you get good service tip them well, helps the next monger as well. I believe each girl needs to do 5-6 sessions a day, so they make about 300 k that's nothing.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2934987]Thanks. It's only one shot I believe. I think they get the condoms from management, so two girls, two condoms, and you can swap girls once, while also swapping condoms at the same time.

However, as always, the more the girl tolerates you, the better the experience, especially when a tip is included. I had tipped L 100,000 the day before, which I guessed is an ok tip for good service, but anyone with more Jakarta-experience please correct me if I'm wrong. She was GF-like enough to not mention anything about extra money, but I'm sure she expected there to be a decent tip for good service today also, which I'm sure was the reason for her minor arguments with her friend about condoms and sex twice.

L asked me at the beginning, while holding up the two condoms if I wanted to finish once or twice, and I tried to indicate once in 6, once in L. She laughed a bit about this, asking me if I was that strong, to which I responded not sure, will see. One or two times. She and 6 then had some minor argument about this, but it was all friendly, and it was at this time I found out that 6 was simply the type of girl who frowns a lot more than she smiles, even though she's a good enough sport when it comes to actually doing things. In the end, even though L on my request tried to wake up junior with a BJ for round two (after forcing me to wash him in the shower since I had been fucking 6 last), it was a no go due to my own fault.

6 and L were obviously good friends and were chatting and laughing a lot. I could force them playfully to some minor girl-girl interaction, but it was limited to them rubbing each others pussy or breasts in a playful manner, one girl smacking the ass of the girl I was fucking from behind, etc. They made sure to do all of that in a joking manner so there could be no confusion they were actually into each others in a lesbian way, and L a couple of times also said "no lesbian" while laughing.

Like I said, I also did have a fantasy of fucking one girl in the pussy, then the other girl in the mouth, and swapping back and forth a bit like that, but that was a definite no go, joking or not unfortunately. As I'm writing this I'm thinking if I had offered up an extra tip for that there and then, maybe they'd go for it. I however did not think about it at the time as I was happy enough swapping pussys back and forth freely.[/QUOTE]

First off I finally got hit by a motorcycle. Facing 2 lanes of traffic trying to cross to the median so I can then cross the other 2 lanes. Motorcycle going along the side of the street going the wrong way can see me because he is behind me. I see an opeing and start to cross at the same time he reaches me and tries to go around me which puts him in my path to cross. He hits me and he and his motorcycle fall over. No damage to either of us or the motorcycle. A few guys nearby start to get a little close. The guy on the bike is mad but the others seem to feel that it was his fault so do not get involved (luckily). I try to cross again and he zooms his bike in front blocking me 2 times. I get angry telling him he fucked up. I cross and take a scenic route in case he gets any buddies nearby.

FYI I have not been showing the time on my phone or talking about shorted time to the cleaning crew of Classic and have had no more issues.

Mama Cha Cha (light brown / dark blnde hair) gave me new girl and she was pretty and friendly as we talked for a few minutes. Mama went to get the condom and room number. My girl got a mirror out of her bag and was checking herself out in the dark main room. Weird. Get to the bedroom and she takes off her shoes and mentions BJ. I said no need. Not my thing. She then brought it up 2 more times and I told her it is nearly impossible for me to cum that way so I bypass most times. Bad vibe begins. I start stripping. I have my not tight but not super baggy boxer shorts on. She says I am big and I show her my little finger and say no. She again says it is big. She has not even seen it and I am not hard. FYI I am not a big guy and my junk matches my size. Huge bad omen which always results in girls complaining after just 5-10 minutes of pain. She takes her mirror out of her bag and admires herself again as I jump into the shower. Bad mojo. I take a quick shower. Get out and she mentions BJ yet again. SOB! I dry off quickly. She has not taken any clothes off. WTFFFFF! The witch must think she will give me a BJ with her clothes on and jet out the door or something. She may be new to Classic but she has lots of experience in trying to give the least amount of service possible because she thinks she is a Princess. She was not new to the game what-so-ever. I grab my clothes and get dressed and out the door. Tell mama about the stupid witch. She gets me a new girl who was great. No extra fee. Just change of girls.

I wish I could have seen her walk of shame. I took many girls there with few problems. So the cleaning crew probably asked her what happened, then the girls she sits with asked her the same, and lastly the mama. Haha.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2934987]Thanks. It's only one shot I believe. I think they get the condoms from management, so two girls, two condoms, and you can swap girls once, while also swapping condoms at the same time.

However, as always, the more the girl tolerates you, the better the experience, especially when a tip is included. I had tipped L 100,000 the day before, which I guessed is an ok tip for good service, but anyone with more Jakarta-experience please correct me if I'm wrong. She was GF-like enough to not mention anything about extra money, but I'm sure she expected there to be a decent tip for good service today also, which I'm sure was the reason for her minor arguments with her friend about condoms and sex twice.

L asked me at the beginning, while holding up the two condoms if I wanted to finish once or twice, and I tried to indicate once in 6, once in L. She laughed a bit about this, asking me if I was that strong, to which I responded not sure, will see. One or two times. She and 6 then had some minor argument about this, but it was all friendly, and it was at this time I found out that 6 was simply the type of girl who frowns a lot more than she smiles, even though she's a good enough sport when it comes to actually doing things. In the end, even though L on my request tried to wake up junior with a BJ for round two (after forcing me to wash him in the shower since I had been fucking 6 last), it was a no go due to my own fault.

6 and L were obviously good friends and were chatting and laughing a lot. I could force them playfully to some minor girl-girl interaction, but it was limited to them rubbing each others pussy or breasts in a playful manner, one girl smacking the ass of the girl I was fucking from behind, etc. They made sure to do all of that in a joking manner so there could be no confusion they were actually into each others in a lesbian way, and L a couple of times also said "no lesbian" while laughing.

Like I said, I also did have a fantasy of fucking one girl in the pussy, then the other girl in the mouth, and swapping back and forth a bit like that, but that was a definite no go, joking or not unfortunately. As I'm writing this I'm thinking if I had offered up an extra tip for that there and then, maybe they'd go for it. I however did not think about it at the time as I was happy enough swapping pussys back and forth freely.[/QUOTE]It seems you may have got the two girls I also had. The friend was she a smaller young girl. I was only there for couple of days and managed to only get to classic twice. First time was single girl on the first night after a 9 hour flight. The second time I went there to try the double. Unfortunately I also asked the first girl.

To pick a friend which was a mistake. I should have clarified with the second girl on what I like. So this girl was not cooperative. Did not want to kiss, did not give blow job. She had a very tight pussy though and nice small firm boobs. I had taken my own condom and pplaced all four the table. They took two and placed in their bag. The other two opened and placed between the paper towel which was dipped in mouth wash. They also wiped my dick with the same mouth wash. The first girl was great and kissed, gave a decent blow job and allowed me to fuck her also. They did not object to the second round.

I think I read in one of the other reports of you take two girls the time is 90 min. Not sure of this was the case. But it was still fun having two girls. But the one choose did not perform like we see in the porns. Maybe I will have better luck next time.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2934898]
Tomorrow/Sunday will be my last day here, as Monday I'm going back to
Bangkok for another month.

I'll probably go to Classic again around 5pm as today. I asked L
if she had other friends, and she said she had four good friends.
I think it will be a bit boring for Junior if I take L three days in
a row, even with a friend, so will probably try to find another girl.
When exiting with L and 6 today, I did notice there were more girls at
18:30 then when I arrived at around 17:30, and I saw some I liked.

For the evening, unless I happen to meet a regular girl via online dating,
I'm not sure if I'll go to Emporivm again, or Classic a second time in
the same day. Or maybe just work.[/QUOTE]To follow up on that, this afternoon I had a surprise date with a tinder girl (online dating app) who in all her tinder photos were wearing a hijab. When I first started checking out tinder / bumble here in Jakarta I saw that a lot, perhaps even a majority, of the girls are wearing those hijabs. Apart from not being able to see much of their body type, I've been a bit uncertain about whether there's any point in trying to even match with them, or whether Allah will prevent them from having any interest in meeting an infidel like me. So mostly I've been swiping "no" on them, but occasionally there's been one with a face cute enough for me to by accident swipe "yes".

Let me for other ignorant infidels like me confirm that it does not seem to mean all that much whether the girl is posing in hijab in all her photos or not, as we met at 1 pm, and at 2:40 pm (I had to keep track of time as she said she had to leave for work at 3 pm) I was banging her in my room. Supposedly I was the first infidel to bang her (believe it or not. I'm not sure, but maybe?), and the experience, for her at least, was so magnificent that she did not want to leave until I'd finished banging her a second time at 3:30.

So: hijab is apparently not the red flag I imagined, and I might have been wrong to swipe "no" on a lot of hijab-babes who would otherwise have been happy to experience some love from a visiting infidel.

For others staying in the area of Redtop / Emporivm / Classic and into dating apps, this area is apparently called "Jakarta Pusat", as that's what everyone you're talking with will ask you about to find out whereabouts you are staying.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2934898]

Anyway, the experience was really good for me, being able to
fuck them both without any condom swapping. I'm pretty sure
this was due to L persuading her friend, so in the end I tipped
L's friend 100,000, and L herself 200,000.

[/QUOTE]Well played. This is exactly how I got great BBFS swapping with two girls in Classic my very first trip to Jakarta. The key is to keep good humor and also take control. Its a delicate balance but if done well you will get a 80 to 90% success rate. Some girls may be firmly adamant on the condom but it will be a small minority, especially in classic when offered a reasonable tip.

Wow NoGermphobe; thanks alot for helping me out. Ok 10 years ago I went to kings cross and then a couple hours later to what you say is / was MTR2. But MTR2, as I remember was not in the same complex as kings cross. Also MTR2 had no fish bowl, was more like a bar in the normal sense. I had a pretty good time at MTR2. I sure would like to know what MTR2 is called now and its location?

I mispelled the' Heaven. Is that in Kelapa Gading as well?

It was a laborius hour journey on motorbike to kelapa gading; any hotels in kelapa gading you would recommend? Thanks a bunch.

After banging this hijab girl in the afternoon, I wasn't sure about what
I'd do in the evening.

I saw Expat American's recommendation of a Japanese steak house on the
second floor of Citiwalk Gaja Meda mall, so thought I'd go there after
finishing in the gym at Redtop hotel around 7 pm, but Google indicated
that mall closes at 7pm, so no go.

For those who enjoy a daily workout, I can recommend Redtop hotel btw. Gym
is as good as a low-end standalone gym, which is of course pretty good as
far as hotel gyms are concerned. Pool is also long enough for swimming
laps (around 20m I guess), and pretty empty most of the time.

Next up was Banana Boi's Holy Cow steak house, walking distance from
Redtop, and not far from Classic, so thought that sounded like a good
alternative, and I could drop by Classic on the way back if I wanted.

I agree with Banana Boi. My steak was cooked perfectly (medium raw),
and quality was decent. 255,000 for 400g of decent quality striploin,
so no complaints. Not sure if prices here are cheaper or more expensive
than Bangkok. My gut feeling it's the latter, but I haven't really
quantified it.

Hijab girl from earlier today messaged me while I was at Holy Cow,
as she had previously wanted to come over after work. She wanted to
come over and spend the night after finishing work, but she's not so hot
that junior would enjoy banging her a third time the same day, so I had
politely indicated while she was here that I could not. She was obviously
hoping I would change my mind, but alas, I was not in the mood for that.

Instead I slowly walked over to Classic after my dinner, got a bracelet
to keep around my arm and later pay 5,000 for, and entered the dimly
lit club. I entered around 9pm, and I'd say it's not the best time.
Some girls were half a sleep, mamasan Cha-Cha I could not see, and
instead I was set upon by a gaggle of other mamasans, one more annoying
than the other. At least this Sunday night at 9pm, the mood in the club
was rather sleepy. Better the other two days when I was there around
6 pm.

I rotated myself from spot to spot to have a look at all the girls,
each time being beset upon by the annoying mamasan guarding that
particular flock. I saw L again too, but she was too busy chewing on
a chicken bone to notice me in the dark. Her herd was rather thin at
the moment, with just 6-7 girls, and I could not see any mamasan to herd
them up in a standing position for me to have a better look at either.
Never mind that however, as I could easily see that apart from L, which
I would certainly not take for a third day in a row, there were nobody
there attractive to me.

I even did the round twice, and hung around for a bit, but could not
see anyone I liked enough to want to bang at the moment, so I went up to
the cashier, paid my 5,000, got some piece of wood to give the doormen
so they would not beat me up upon leaving, and exited the club.

On the ground floor of Classic there is another place, right by the
entrance. You can hear the music pumping. I've read some reports here
indicating it may possibly be a rip-off place, but the reports were
uncertain. I was therefor a bit wary, but went up to the reception
and asked what the price to enter was, and the girl pointed at the sign
directly in front of me saying 30,000. So 6 times the price of entering
two floors up.

I was not sure what kind of place this was, and asked the doorman if
it was the same type of place as upstairs, to which he indicated yes,
as I'm sure he would do if it was a rip-off joint too.

Anyway, I thought I'd enter and if nothing else, I could warn off other
brothers if indeed it was a rip-off joint, so I indicated I wanted
to enter, and got the same type of bracelet around my arm.

Upon entering I saw that the place is similar to the place upstairs
indeed, but a tiny bit more classy perhaps? Like flying coach, but
getting metal utensils with your food, rather than one-time plastic utensils
perhaps?

There was also some crappy live band playing crappy music, and a
group of annoying Chinese entered, displaying their uncouth manners.
Including one particular young idiot, who appeared to be treating his friends
to a girl each, putting his hand down every possibly candidate's bra to check
if her bra was padded and how big her breasts were.

The organization on this floor is more effective however, with all
the girls sitting in one location, and one or two mamasans handling
all of them. Mamasan told me the price was either 600,000 or 650,000,
depending on the girl. No idea what differentiates the girls.
For the price you get one hour, one shot. Like upstairs.

The mamasans here are laid back and not annoying and pushy like upstairs,
which is good, so you can just sit by yourself and have look while
enjoying a drink (I did not order anything, and that was fine too).

The mamasan all use some laser pen that they shine into the girls face
to indicate what girl they want to stand up however, which annoys the
girls every time and you can almost hear them swearing, even with no
sound or understanding of the language.

I was having some trouble understanding why the girls here cost twice as
much as upstairs. Upstairs at that time there were around 50-60 girls
I'd guess, and downstairs here around 30-40. After looking for a while,
I guess I'd agree the quality was on average perhaps slightly better, but
I'd not start a fight with anyone saying there is no difference between
the girls here and upstairs. I'm thinking if I'm going to pay double,
the difference should be pretty obvious, but to me it was very slight.

You can call for a lineup, which will bring all the girls up in front
of you in groups of 10-15 at a time. I did not ask for that, but other
guys did a few times while I was there, so I moved over to look when
that happened. I didn't notice anyone I wanted to bang all that much
in the beginning, but after a while I did notice on girl. Perhaps because
she was not bothering to join the multiple line-ups.

She did not want to make eye contact with me, nor get up for most of
the lineups, though she did get up once or twice and I thought, ok,
I'll go with her. Alas, it was not to be.

I asked mamasan a bit about the girl (age, baby or no baby), and then
told mamasan I'd like to talk with her. At that same time a new lineup
was called, and that girl also joined, walking over to the other side
of the club. Mamasan exchanged some words with the girl as she was
walking past us. What they said I do not know, but mamasan said the girl
was scared of me. I'm not sure if she meant scared of how ugly I was,
or of the huge dick she could perhaps see through my pants with her
x-ray vision, but mamasan was positive it was the latter and not the
former.

I suggested mamasan talk a bit with the girl, and that my dick was
rather small and it would not be a problem, while I hung around waiting.

Unfortunately it ended with mamasan telling me the girl was scared and did
not want to go with me, and that she could not force her (a good thing,
that, of course). But mamasan had many other girls I could choose from,
why I not choose someone else? Had I not banged hijab girl
twice that day already, I would probably have chosen another girl,
as there were one or two other girls there I thought also looked ok,
but I was not in the mood. Instead I went up to the cashier, paid my
30,000, and got a similar piece of wood to show the doormen upon exit.
So no problems experienced.


I could have walked over to Emporivm then, but it was already 10 pm, so
it would apparently be too late for me to combine banging a girl there
with relaxing half an hour in the pool first (as was the case yesterday
too, to my sad surprise), and I was too tired to spend around 1.5M, +/-,
with the tip included, to just bang a girl there. I'd probably have
gone over if I could have relaxed in the pool too. Not sure what time
it closes, but the girl yesterday, when we went to the room at 10:30,
said the pool was closed already, but did not know when.

Instead I just went back to Redtop and wrote this undoubtedly interesting
fieldreport. :-/

[QUOTE=Zippos;2935002]Just a suggestion, perhaps buy more time on your next trip to full-fill your fantasies. Extra always comes handy for a fraction of price.[/QUOTE]How does that work? AFAIK, two hours is double the price of one hour, or? At least that is what I was told by the mamasan.

Or do you mean the girls themselves will handle it some way? While they were joking around a bit and putting on their makeup the "get out" phone started to ring also, so not really sure what they could do.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935041]To follow up on that, this afternoon I had a surprise date with a tinder girl (online dating app) who in all her tinder photos were wearing a hijab. When I first started checking out tinder / bumble here in Jakarta I saw that a lot, perhaps even a majority, of the girls are wearing those hijabs. Apart from not being able to see much of their body type, I've been a bit uncertain about whether there's any point in trying to even match with them, or whether Allah will prevent them from having any interest in meeting an infidel like me. So mostly I've been swiping "no" on them, but occasionally there's been one with a face cute enough for me to by accident swipe "yes".

Let me for other ignorant infidels like me confirm that it does not seem to mean all that much whether the girl is posing in hijab in all her photos or not, as we met at 1 pm, and at 2:40 pm (I had to keep track of time as she said she had to leave for work at 3 pm) I was banging her in my room. Supposedly I was the first infidel to bang her (believe it or not. I'm not sure, but maybe?), and the experience, for her at least, was so magnificent that she did not want to leave until I'd finished banging her a second time at 3:30.

So: hijab is apparently not the red flag I imagined, and I might have been wrong to swipe "no" on a lot of hijab-babes who would otherwise have been happy to experience some love from a visiting infidel.

For others staying in the area of Redtop / Emporivm / Classic and into dating apps, this area is apparently called "Jakarta Pusat", as that's what everyone you're talking with will ask you about to find out whereabouts you are staying.[/QUOTE]Did you pay hijab girl? Did you lead with that, or did you frame it more as a normal date initially?

[QUOTE=JohnIsFun;2935026]It seems you may have got the two girls I also had. The friend was she a smaller young girl. I was only there for couple of days and managed to only get to classic twice. First time was single girl on the first night after a 9 hour flight. The second time I went there to try the double. Unfortunately I also asked the first girl.

To pick a friend which was a mistake. I should have clarified with the second girl on what I like. So this girl was not cooperative. Did not want to kiss, did not give blow job. She had a very tight pussy though and nice small firm boobs. I had taken my own condom and pplaced all four the table. They took two and placed in their bag. The other two opened and placed between the paper towel which was dipped in mouth wash. They also wiped my dick with the same mouth wash. The first girl was great and kissed, gave a decent blow job and allowed me to fuck her also. They did not object to the second round.

I think I read in one of the other reports of you take two girls the time is 90 min. Not sure of this was the case. But it was still fun having two girls. But the one choose did not perform like we see in the porns. Maybe I will have better luck next time.[/QUOTE]

Not sure. If you remember their names, you can message me, and I can confirm.

The friend was indeed a smaller girl, but not younger. I think mamasan said L was 23. I did not ask what age 6 was, but based on looks it would be the same IMO, +/- one year. Also, if what L said is true (not sure), she started working there a month ago. May or may not be true, as she later said she and her friend had had many threesomes. Not sure how many threesome a girl there would normally have in a month.

I suspect you had bad luck, and IMO, unless the friend is too ugly (e.g, , had she been a 5), it's better to let your girl pick her own friend. But I think you kind of need to have fucked at least one of the girls first and built some rapport. Even better if you've fucked both of course.

And like in a porn? No, I was not expecting that, so therefor I was also not disappointed. They'd have to be bona fide lesbians, or at least bisexuals, for that I suspect. There was one guy on the Thailand forum before who had some luck with that, by getting to know which girls actually liked having sex with other girls, and then arranging it that way.


AFAIK, it's the same time regardless of number of girls, and indeed the phone started ringing after one hour.

Motorcycle in Asia are literally hell on wheels to me. They are a risk to them and to others. One of the reason why I pretty much never walk on the streets except going to the dolarindo from classic or alfamart. Thankfully you were unharmed. Which would've been a different level of disaster on your sexpedition.

In regards to dumping the Blair witch, great work. Others should learn from this. These girls definitely needs to be put in to their places. Two thumbs up for you.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2935021]First off I finally got hit by a motorcycle. Facing 2 lanes of traffic trying to cross to the median so I can then cross the other 2 lanes. Motorcycle going along the side of the street going the wrong way can see me because he is behind me. I see an opeing and start to cross at the same time he reaches me and tries to go around me which puts him in my path to cross. He hits me and he and his motorcycle fall over. No damage to either of us or the motorcycle. A few guys nearby start to get a little close. The guy on the bike is mad but the others seem to feel that it was his fault so do not get involved (luckily). I try to cross again and he zooms his bike in front blocking me 2 times. I get angry telling him he fucked up. I cross and take a scenic route in case he gets any buddies nearby.

FYI I have not been showing the time on my phone or talking about shorted time to the cleaning crew of Classic and have had no more issues.

Mama Cha Cha (light brown / dark blnde hair) gave me new girl and she was pretty and friendly as we talked for a few minutes. Mama went to get the condom and room number. My girl got a mirror out of her bag and was checking herself out in the dark main room. Weird. Get to the bedroom and she takes off her shoes and mentions BJ. I said no need. Not my thing. She then brought it up 2 more times and I told her it is nearly impossible for me to cum that way so I bypass most times. Bad vibe begins. I start stripping. I have my not tight but not super baggy boxer shorts on. She says I am big and I show her my little finger and say no. She again says it is big. She has not even seen it and I am not hard. FYI I am not a big guy and my junk matches my size. Huge bad omen which always results in girls complaining after just 5-10 minutes of pain. She takes her mirror out of her bag and admires herself again as I jump into the shower. Bad mojo. I take a quick shower. Get out and she mentions BJ yet again. SOB! I dry off quickly. She has not taken any clothes off. WTFFFFF! The witch must think she will give me a BJ with her clothes on and jet out the door or something. She may be new to Classic but she has lots of experience in trying to give the least amount of service possible because she thinks she is a Princess. She was not new to the game what-so-ever. I grab my clothes and get dressed and out the door. Tell mama about the stupid witch. She gets me a new girl who was great. No extra fee. Just change of girls.

I wish I could have seen her walk of shame. I took many girls there with few problems. So the cleaning crew probably asked her what happened, then the girls she sits with asked her the same, and lastly the mama. Haha.[/QUOTE]

Picking a friend is not a mistake because you want both of them to be cooperative in action. It gets awkward for both if they are not comfortable with each other but yes, all the terms and conditions needs to be clarified and agreed before payment.

I don't think anyone of us ever have or will see porn type girls action at places like classic. Sure, I have seen some action in Maasage / Spa where girls are already paired for twin massage packages and sits together and hangs out together while waiting for clients. Perhaps explore that alley next time.

[QUOTE=JohnIsFun;2935026]It seems you may have got the two girls I also had. The friend was she a smaller young girl. I was only there for couple of days and managed to only get to classic twice. First time was single girl on the first night after a 9 hour flight. The second time I went there to try the double. Unfortunately I also asked the first girl.

To pick a friend which was a mistake. I should have clarified with the second girl on what I like. So this girl was not cooperative. Did not want to kiss, did not give blow job. She had a very tight pussy though and nice small firm boobs. I had taken my own condom and pplaced all four the table. They took two and placed in their bag. The other two opened and placed between the paper towel which was dipped in mouth wash. They also wiped my dick with the same mouth wash. The first girl was great and kissed, gave a decent blow job and allowed me to fuck her also. They did not object to the second round.

I think I read in one of the other reports of you take two girls the time is 90 min. Not sure of this was the case. But it was still fun having two girls. But the one choose did not perform like we see in the porns. Maybe I will have better luck next time.[/QUOTE]

Indeed it was interesting to know more about bunker. Don't ask me where that name bunker was invented because I don't know. I agree 100% with you on girls standard / quality compared to terminal 2. I've been there handful of times and I think only reason they are still alive is because any newbie PRC contributors walks straight in upon entering the building. To me, it's simply a punters trap. Yes they do move those spa girls after it closes but then if you decide to compare dollar for a dollar, you still would find similar value in terminal 2 for half the price. End of the day, I would still venture to terminal 2 and deal with smaller losses if my girl turns out to be a starfish.

Great report on bunker 😁.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935106]After banging this hijab girl in the afternoon, I wasn't sure about what
I'd do in the evening.

I saw Expat American's recommendation of a Japanese steak house on the
second floor of Citiwalk Gaja Meda mall, so thought I'd go there after
finishing in the gym at Redtop hotel around 7 pm, but Google indicated
that mall closes at 7pm, so no go.

For those who enjoy a daily workout, I can recommend Redtop hotel btw. Gym
is as good as a low-end standalone gym, which is of course pretty good as
far as hotel gyms are concerned. Pool is also long enough for swimming
laps (around 20m I guess), and pretty empty most of the time.

Next up was Banana Boi's Holy Cow steak house, walking distance from
Redtop, and not far from Classic, so thought that sounded like a good
alternative, and I could drop by Classic on the way back if I wanted.

I agree with Banana Boi. My steak was cooked perfectly (medium raw),
and quality was decent. 255,000 for 400g of decent quality striploin,
so no complaints. Not sure if prices here are cheaper or more expensive
than Bangkok. My gut feeling it's the latter, but I haven't really
quantified it.

Hijab girl from earlier today messaged me while I was at Holy Cow,
as she had previously wanted to come over after work. She wanted to
come over and spend the night after finishing work, but she's not so hot
that junior would enjoy banging her a third time the same day, so I had
politely indicated while she was here that I could not. She was obviously
hoping I would change my mind, but alas, I was not in the mood for that.

Instead I slowly walked over to Classic after my dinner, got a bracelet
to keep around my arm and later pay 5,000 for, and entered the dimly
lit club. I entered around 9pm, and I'd say it's not the best time.
Some girls were half a sleep, mamasan Cha-Cha I could not see, and
instead I was set upon by a gaggle of other mamasans, one more annoying
than the other. At least this Sunday night at 9pm, the mood in the club
was rather sleepy. Better the other two days when I was there around
6 pm.

I rotated myself from spot to spot to have a look at all the girls,
each time being beset upon by the annoying mamasan guarding that
particular flock. I saw L again too, but she was too busy chewing on
a chicken bone to notice me in the dark. Her herd was rather thin at
the moment, with just 6-7 girls, and I could not see any mamasan to herd
them up in a standing position for me to have a better look at either.
Never mind that however, as I could easily see that apart from L, which
I would certainly not take for a third day in a row, there were nobody
there attractive to me.

I even did the round twice, and hung around for a bit, but could not
see anyone I liked enough to want to bang at the moment, so I went up to
the cashier, paid my 5,000, got some piece of wood to give the doormen
so they would not beat me up upon leaving, and exited the club.

On the ground floor of Classic there is another place, right by the
entrance. You can hear the music pumping. I've read some reports here
indicating it may possibly be a rip-off place, but the reports were
uncertain. I was therefor a bit wary, but went up to the reception
and asked what the price to enter was, and the girl pointed at the sign
directly in front of me saying 30,000. So 6 times the price of entering
two floors up.

I was not sure what kind of place this was, and asked the doorman if
it was the same type of place as upstairs, to which he indicated yes,
as I'm sure he would do if it was a rip-off joint too.

Anyway, I thought I'd enter and if nothing else, I could warn off other
brothers if indeed it was a rip-off joint, so I indicated I wanted
to enter, and got the same type of bracelet around my arm.

Upon entering I saw that the place is similar to the place upstairs
indeed, but a tiny bit more classy perhaps? Like flying coach, but
getting metal utensils with your food, rather than one-time plastic utensils
perhaps?

There was also some crappy live band playing crappy music, and a
group of annoying Chinese entered, displaying their uncouth manners.
Including one particular young idiot, who appeared to be treating his friends
to a girl each, putting his hand down every possibly candidate's bra to check
if her bra was padded and how big her breasts were.

The organization on this floor is more effective however, with all
the girls sitting in one location, and one or two mamasans handling
all of them. Mamasan told me the price was either 600,000 or 650,000,
depending on the girl. No idea what differentiates the girls.
For the price you get one hour, one shot. Like upstairs.

The mamasans here are laid back and not annoying and pushy like upstairs,
which is good, so you can just sit by yourself and have look while
enjoying a drink (I did not order anything, and that was fine too).

The mamasan all use some laser pen that they shine into the girls face
to indicate what girl they want to stand up however, which annoys the
girls every time and you can almost hear them swearing, even with no
sound or understanding of the language.

I was having some trouble understanding why the girls here cost twice as
much as upstairs. Upstairs at that time there were around 50-60 girls
I'd guess, and downstairs here around 30-40. After looking for a while,
I guess I'd agree the quality was on average perhaps slightly better, but
I'd not start a fight with anyone saying there is no difference between
the girls here and upstairs. I'm thinking if I'm going to pay double,
the difference should be pretty obvious, but to me it was very slight.

You can call for a lineup, which will bring all the girls up in front
of you in groups of 10-15 at a time. I did not ask for that, but other
guys did a few times while I was there, so I moved over to look when
that happened. I didn't notice anyone I wanted to bang all that much
in the beginning, but after a while I did notice on girl. Perhaps because
she was not bothering to join the multiple line-ups.

She did not want to make eye contact with me, nor get up for most of
the lineups, though she did get up once or twice and I thought, ok,
I'll go with her. Alas, it was not to be.

I asked mamasan a bit about the girl (age, baby or no baby), and then
told mamasan I'd like to talk with her. At that same time a new lineup
was called, and that girl also joined, walking over to the other side
of the club. Mamasan exchanged some words with the girl as she was
walking past us. What they said I do not know, but mamasan said the girl
was scared of me. I'm not sure if she meant scared of how ugly I was,
or of the huge dick she could perhaps see through my pants with her
x-ray vision, but mamasan was positive it was the latter and not the
former.

I suggested mamasan talk a bit with the girl, and that my dick was
rather small and it would not be a problem, while I hung around waiting.

Unfortunately it ended with mamasan telling me the girl was scared and did
not want to go with me, and that she could not force her (a good thing,
that, of course). But mamasan had many other girls I could choose from,
why I not choose someone else? Had I not banged hijab girl
twice that day already, I would probably have chosen another girl,
as there were one or two other girls there I thought also looked ok,
but I was not in the mood. Instead I went up to the cashier, paid my
30,000, and got a similar piece of wood to show the doormen upon exit.
So no problems experienced.


I could have walked over to Emporivm then, but it was already 10 pm, so
it would apparently be too late for me to combine banging a girl there
with relaxing half an hour in the pool first (as was the case yesterday
too, to my sad surprise), and I was too tired to spend around 1.5M, +/-,
with the tip included, to just bang a girl there. I'd probably have
gone over if I could have relaxed in the pool too. Not sure what time
it closes, but the girl yesterday, when we went to the room at 10:30,
said the pool was closed already, but did not know when.

Instead I just went back to Redtop and wrote this undoubtedly interesting
fieldreport. :-/[/QUOTE]

Two ways to get it done.

1. Double time for double price with mama.

Or.

2. Tell mama, you will extend the session to double time if you like girl / girls. Make sure to get mamma to pass that message to the girls and insist them on providing much better cooperation and service. Once your time is nearly up (infamous phone ring) you just tell the girl to tell the room attendant, you will be extending the session to double time. Sometimes, you would get a in room call from mama to confirm or not. Your second slots gets added to your bill.

Don't worry, your room attendant won't come to you for money while you are naked, however they might come to the room to deliver more condoms unless it's not required.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935113]How does that work? AFAIK, two hours is double the price of one hour, or? At least that is what I was told by the mamasan.

Or do you mean the girls themselves will handle it some way? While they were joking around a bit and putting on their makeup the "get out" phone started to ring also, so not really sure what they could do.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935041]To follow up on that, this afternoon I had a surprise date with a tinder girl (online dating app) .[/QUOTE]I have the tinder app but never used it. Was the Tinder girl a freebie or did you agree on a price ahead of time? And why were you somewhat disappointed with her looks?

I'm not sure where does this confusion of timing originated, as far as I remember, 1 girl 1 hour, 2 girls 90 minutes. It's always has been like that and I don't expect it to be different when I'm there next month. This timing structure is pretty standard thought not just Jakarta but right across the country. Yes, some places will let you add 30-45 min for 40-80 k but that's optional when booked for 90 min to a longer session but not in classic.

Sure, the phone will ring as a wake up call / reminder to get ready to vacate the room but other than that, no one is going to break in to kick you out and if you decide to pump until the last minute. You just need to shower quickly and leave. There are countless of times girls has answered the phone out of breath while I'm pumping her and would get back in to the action.

If you feel awkward / guilty / uncomfortable while exiting the room, give that fugly room attendant 50 k, she will overjoyed over the moon.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935116]


AFAIK, it's the same time regardless of number of girls, and indeed the phone started ringing after one hour.[/QUOTE]

Hi Werqweq. Thanks for your contributions and reports.

Historically, Sunday is the worst day to hobby in Jakarta. Sunday is usually the slowest night in terms of customers and availability of ladies.

This is because Sunday is usually "family day. " Most locals are spending time and the day with their families and they have less time to go out and party. That being said, I still often go out Sundays and its fine for me. But just be advised the atmosphere and selection will be more muted compared to any other day of the week.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935106]

Instead I slowly walked over to Classic after my dinner, got a bracelet
to keep around my arm and later pay 5,000 for, and entered the dimly
lit club. I entered around 9pm, and I'd say it's not the best time.
Some girls were half a sleep, mamasan Cha-Cha I could not see, and
instead I was set upon by a gaggle of other mamasans, one more annoying
than the other. At least this Sunday night at 9pm, the mood in the club
was rather sleepy. Better the other two days when I was there around
6 pm.

I rotated myself from spot to spot to have a look at all the girls,
each time being beset upon by the annoying mamasan guarding that
particular flock. I saw L again too, but she was too busy chewing on
a chicken bone to notice me in the dark. Her herd was rather thin at
the moment, with just 6-7 girls, and I could not see any mamasan to herd
them up in a standing position for me to have a better look at either.
Never mind that however, as I could easily see that apart from L, which
I would certainly not take for a third day in a row, there were nobody
there attractive to me.

I even did the round twice, and hung around for a bit, but could not
see anyone I liked enough to want to bang at the moment, so I went up to
the cashier, paid my 5,000, got some piece of wood to give the doormen
so they would not beat me up upon leaving, and exited the club.

/[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935106]After banging this hijab girl
:-/[/QUOTE]Great report thank you. I'm hoping to visit Jakarata again in a couple of months, hVe put Emporium and club 1001 top of the list.

Just to add my experience on tinder in Jakarta, I managed to get 3 freebies so it's definitely pretty good for that in Jakarta. You do have to have some kind of game obviously but they're really liberal & like directness. I was going to have a 4th but I fell asleep when the girl was coming round (it was like 130 am in my defence). I was only there for 8 days.

But it's also a strange dynamic where if you meet them for dinner, choose a place which is at least somewhat presentable then the cost of that could be pretty close to getting 1 girl from Classic Hotel where that is guaranteed and obviously with the date far from it. So you have to weigh up your options but one things for sure, you will definitely be satisfied 1 way or the other. Which is a far cry from what I can say about even Bangkok these days with either tinder or the other options which are quite a lot more than the ones in Jakarta.

Excellent, you switched the be* and most importantly did not pay again, great. Mamas need to be told when a girl over or underperforms, if its latter she must stand behind in the queue for the next monger. Well done!

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2935021]First off I finally got hit by a motorcycle. Facing 2 lanes of traffic trying to cross to the median so I can then cross the other 2 lanes. Motorcycle going along the side of the street going the wrong way can see me because he is behind me. I see an opeing and start to cross at the same time he reaches me and tries to go around me which puts him in my path to cross. He hits me and he and his motorcycle fall over. No damage to either of us or the motorcycle. A few guys nearby start to get a little close. The guy on the bike is mad but the others seem to feel that it was his fault so do not get involved (luckily). I try to cross again and he zooms his bike in front blocking me 2 times. I get angry telling him he fucked up. I cross and take a scenic route in case he gets any buddies nearby.

FYI I have not been showing the time on my phone or talking about shorted time to the cleaning crew of Classic and have had no more issues.

Mama Cha Cha (light brown / dark blnde hair) gave me new girl and she was pretty and friendly as we talked for a few minutes. Mama went to get the condom and room number. My girl got a mirror out of her bag and was checking herself out in the dark main room. Weird. Get to the bedroom and she takes off her shoes and mentions BJ. I said no need. Not my thing. She then brought it up 2 more times and I told her it is nearly impossible for me to cum that way so I bypass most times. Bad vibe begins. I start stripping. I have my not tight but not super baggy boxer shorts on. She says I am big and I show her my little finger and say no. She again says it is big. She has not even seen it and I am not hard. FYI I am not a big guy and my junk matches my size. Huge bad omen which always results in girls complaining after just 5-10 minutes of pain. She takes her mirror out of her bag and admires herself again as I jump into the shower. Bad mojo. I take a quick shower. Get out and she mentions BJ yet again. SOB! I dry off quickly. She has not taken any clothes off. WTFFFFF! The witch must think she will give me a BJ with her clothes on and jet out the door or something. She may be new to Classic but she has lots of experience in trying to give the least amount of service possible because she thinks she is a Princess. She was not new to the game what-so-ever. I grab my clothes and get dressed and out the door. Tell mama about the stupid witch. She gets me a new girl who was great. No extra fee. Just change of girls.

I wish I could have seen her walk of shame. I took many girls there with few problems. So the cleaning crew probably asked her what happened, then the girls she sits with asked her the same, and lastly the mama. Haha.[/QUOTE]

Here it is, possibly most completed TERMS AND ABBREVIATIONS IN THE WORLD OF SEXPEDITION Indonesia. Special thanks to fellow mongers, Kimochi, Classic, Segitia and KUY group to add their input and define most common words that can be understood by different regions of Indonesia.

1. BJ: Oral Sex. Seks oral.

2. HJ: Onani / Masturbation. Masturbasi.

3. FJ: Having Sex. Bersetubuh.

4. ML: Make Love (Having Sex) - Bersetubuh.

5. FK: French Kiss / Fucking Kiss. French Kiss / Fucking Kiss.

6. FF: Finger Fuck (Putting Fingers Into Vagina) - Masukkin Jari Ke Vagina.

7. MOT: Man On The Top. Co Di Atas.

8. WOT: Woman On The Top. Cw Di Atas.

9. DS: Doggy Style. Doggy Style.

10. DC: Damage Cost. Damage Cost.

11. GFE: Girl Friend Experience. Girl Friend Experience.

12. WP: Female Entertainer. Wanita Penghibur.

13. NPWP: Female Call Number. Nomor Punggung Wanita Panggilan.

14. PP: Massage Parlor. Panti Pijat.

15. SSI: Speak Speak Iblis. Speak Speak Iblis.

16. ST: Short Time. Short Time.

17. *LT*: Long Time. Long Time.

18. Polda: Kitchen Police (wife) - Polisi Dapur (Isteri).

19. *CT*: Classic Terminal.

20. *Blok T*: Travel Hotel.

21. *Blok see*: Classic Hotel.

22. *Blok A*: Alexis Hotel (RIP. A great loss to the punters).

23. *BB*: Bintang Baru Hotel.

24. *HS*: Hill Side Hotel.

25. *CIF*: Cum In Face. Keluar di Muka.

26. CIM: Cum In Mouth (Out in Mouth) - Keluar di Mulut.

27. Corn Fur: WP who is still a teenager. Bulu Jagung*: WP yang masih abg.

28. Panlok: WP of Chinese descent. Panlok*: WP Keturunan Chinese.

29. *BM*: Body Massage.

30. LC: Lady Companion (Usually found in karaoke places) -*LC*: Lady Companion (Biasanya ada di tempat2 karaoke).

31. BD: Back Door (Anal Sex).

32. *SHS*: Sex History Speak (don't know what that means!

33. Kondie / Caps / Tameng: Condom. Kondom.

34. *Toge*: Good. Toge*: baik.

35. Tobi: good Savage. Tobi*: baik Biadab.

36. Nocan: Beautiful Number (wp cellphone number / masseuse number at PP) - Nomor Cantik (no hp wp / no pemijat di PP).

37. Therapist: Female masseuse at PP. Therapis*: Wanita pemijat di PP.

38. RO: Repeat Order (FJ with the same girl at different times) -*RO*: Repeat Order (FJ dengan cewe yang sama dalam waktu berbeda).

39. *MMC*: Mimik mimik Cucu.

40. Good -.

41. FOC: Free of Charge (free ML) - ML gratisan.

42. TO: Operation Target. Target Operasi.

43. Red sheet = Rp 100,000 - lembar merah*= Rp 100.000.

44. Blue sheet = Rp 50,000 - lembar biru*= Rp 50.000.

45. Green sheet = Rp 20,000 -*lembar hijau*= Rp 20.000.

46. BSH = Barisan Sakit Hati. Barisan Sakit Hati.

47. PK*= Oversleep hero / loser who likes to report. Pahlawan Kesiangan / pecundang yg suka melapor.

48. *Mimin*= mindik-mindik.

49. *Anjelo*= pick-up and drop-off for housemaids. Antar jemput pramuria.

50. *BBW*= Big Beautiful Woman. Wanita Cantik dan Besar.

51. *Benerin tile*= going upstairs (entering the room with the WP) -*Benerin genteng*= naek ke atas (masuk ke kamar bersama sang WP).

52. *Big "O"*= orgasm. Orgasm, orgasme.

53. *Binor*= someone's wife. Bini orang.

54. *BU*= needs money (like a sales and buy) -*BU*= butuh uang (kayak iklan jual beli).

55. *Buang tai macan*= throw away / expel sperm or semen. Buang tai macan*= buang / keluarin sperma atau sperma.

56. *Maize hair*= smelly teenager who has just started growing hair. Bulu jagung*= abg bau kencur yg baru mulai tumbuh bulu.

57. *Diesel*= sucked until annoyed. Diisep sampe kesel.

58. *GRO*= Guest Relation Officer. Guest Relation Officer.

59. *MK: Cat Bath. Mandi Kucing.

60. *JM: lick miss v. Jilat miss v.

61. *LD*: Ladies Drink.

62. *STW*: Half Old -*STW*: Setengah TuWa.

63. *MILF*: Mom I'd like to fuck.

64. *PM: Pick Mango (either combined with massaging other vital parts around the penis) - Petik Mangga (baik yang dikombinasikan dengan mengurut bagian vital lainnya di sekitar penis).

65. *Kutilang*: THIN Tall SLIMMING. KUrus TInggi LANGsing.

66. *PHP*: Giver of False Hope. Pemberi Harapan Palsu.

67. *FL*: Free Lancer.

68. *SD*: Sexy Dancer.

69. *KC*: King Cross.

70. *MS*: Healthy Massage. Massage Sehat.

71. *JM*: Lick squid. Jilat cumi.

72. CK: Wash Under, lick the anus. Cuci Kolong jilat lobang anus.

73. Bookingan, Bispak, Bokep, Bisyar (basically hookers).

74. ABG (Anak Baru Gede: young girl).

75. Jak Sel (selatan: south), Pus (pusat: CBD).

76. Include / exclude (hotel cost).

77. DP (Deposit, NOT Double Penetration!

Happy Safe Mongering, Zippo.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935106]Snip. On the ground floor of Classic there is another place, right by the
entrance. You can hear the music pumping. I've read some reports here
indicating it may possibly be a rip-off place, but the reports were
uncertain. I was therefor a bit wary, but went up to the reception
and asked what the price to enter was, and the girl pointed at the sign
directly in front of me saying 30,000. So 6 times the price of entering
two floors up. Snip./[/QUOTE]I was there early last month and I remember paying 5,000 the 3 times I went. Guess they jacked up the price.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2931938]Bro, I don't agree. Most girls I was with allowed me to touch caress and lick this 'no entry' zone, LOL. And in some bold cases I did finger or fuck them. Just treat them well, with love respect.[/QUOTE]I'm not that frequent a monger in Indo, but of the 20 or so Indo girls that I've had, there were only 2-3 that did not let me kiss or lick their anus. All the others were perfectly comfortable in letting me do what I wanted. There were some who were even quite turned on by it and kept moving their hips up and down on my tongue while I tongue fucked their assholes. If you're into it, you should knock on the door anyway. You don't have anything to lose.

OK no worries. I also avoid the girls with photos from Dubai or on yachts etc and always prefer the cute student types (in Europe too, not just Asia). I may also try Tinder and see what's available, or the Malls as you say. Have fun in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2934703]So, I decided not to use SA. Girls look expensive. A few Europeans (why would I go to Jakarta to fuck a Rusky? Also, I don't like meeting girls that have pics from trips to Sydney, Singapore, Dubai, Paris, KL, etc.

My plan is visiting malls during the day and EMP and Classic in the evening. Will provide a report.

I arrive at CGK, 1:20 pm on Friday. I estimate I'll arrive at Luminor at 5.[/QUOTE]

Most girls had never experienced this before and some went ecstatic. I remember that one time a girl actually didn't allow me to stop and take my tongue off, after a while I was gasping for breathe. But it had its rewards too, she allowed bb anal and asked me not to share this with her friends. Once you go back (ass) you don't come back LOL!

[QUOTE=OldFogey;2935265]I'm not that frequent a monger in Indo, but of the 20 or so Indo girls that I've had, there were only 2-3 that did not let me kiss or lick their anus. All the others were perfectly comfortable in letting me do what I wanted. There were some who were even quite turned on by it and kept moving their hips up and down on my tongue while I tongue fucked their assholes. If you're into it, you should knock on the door anyway. You don't have anything to lose.[/QUOTE]

I have banged 6 chicks in Emporium on my 2 trips so far. There was a report by a fellow traveler that a minimum tip of 200 K is mandatory to the chick. I was not aware of it as even on my this trip; I have been paying 200 K willingly so far without knowing this rule as I was mighty delighted with the chicks performance in the room.

Now, the chick that I banged today was greedy; ordered a corona despite me telling her No that neither I drink nor I smoke. She wanted to order fags also but did not, still went ahead with beer. The bill came to me and I had a polite discussion with the Papasan that I was not happy with the service as well. My 3 points raised were; the first one that you did not inform me of giving me a 1.4 M chick. I did not ask and he did not tell. Don't know, whose mistake it is. In his defense, he said I chose the best chick for you as per your need. I told him you should have informed me about the price point. I gave the chick 100 K as tip and she demanded more. I could not understand as we had a communication problem due to the language. My 2nd point was I am not happy with chicks service in room and I pay tip as per my choice and not as her matter of right. Then he informed me that the management changed the rule one month ago that it is mandatory. I said WTF. He said last time when you were here it was your wish but now it isn't. I called the chick down to the reception and gave her another 100 K. My third point was I told her that I do not drink or smoke and dissuaded as her as well but when I came out of shower post the swimming pool session she was holding a bottle of corona. She carried it with her to the room and drank it after our 90 minute session was over while I was having my shower. I conveyed all of this to Papasan and again the same excuse that she does not understand English language; she has been working there since a year. Offered me a 3 sum too in the room which I declined. So, overall an expense of 1.8 K today with an a polite argument at the end to just kind of be a spoiler of my mood. It is not about the money which has bugged me but as a matter of principle being a customer I should be informed first. I have made my displeasure known to the Papasan today.

I have had my share of wonderful and a few disappointing experiences here; picked chick from Bats and CJs, banged a chick from tinder, repeated my last trip chick, repeated a chick of this trip as well and 2 wow experience's at Emporium except today. My lips and tongue are hurting but still thirsty as I have done so much of DFK. My dick is angry at me and is expecting me to stop and let it rest for a while but it will happen when I am back in my hometown in a few days. It has been a learning experience.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2935139]I'm not sure where does this confusion of timing originated, as far as I remember, 1 girl 1 hour, 2 girls 90 minutes. It's always has been like that and I don't expect it to be different when I'm there next month. This timing structure is pretty standard thought not just Jakarta but right across the country. Yes, some places will let you add 30-45 min for 40-80 k but that's optional when booked for 90 min to a longer session but not in classic.

Sure, the phone will ring as a wake up call / reminder to get ready to vacate the room but other than that, no one is going to break in to kick you out and if you decide to pump until the last minute. You just need to shower quickly and leave. There are countless of times girls has answered the phone out of breath while I'm pumping her and would get back in to the action.

If you feel awkward / guilty / uncomfortable while exiting the room, give that fugly room attendant 50 k, she will overjoyed over the moon.[/QUOTE]Well, I will bow to your experience and apologise for what is probably my error then. I don't think I asked the mamasan (Cha-Cha, which I kind of liked) if two girls at Classic gave more time, but instead for some reason just assumed it did not. Probably this was due to two girls costing just 150,000 more than one girl, while two hours instead of one hour costs 700,000. So it doesn't really make any sense that paying 150,000 more will give you both an extra half hour and an extra girl, while paying 350,000 more gives you just one more hour. I mean, wtf?

When the phone then started to ring after one hour, I just took that as confirmation. At that time I was already showered and dressed anyway, as I assumed time was running out and I'm not going to fuck them again in whatever few minutes are left. Had I known there were half an hour left, I might have played it differently.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2935219]Just to add my experience on tinder in Jakarta, I managed to get 3 freebies so it's definitely pretty good for that in Jakarta. You do have to have some kind of game obviously but they're really liberal & like directness. I was going to have a 4th but I fell asleep when the girl was coming round (it was like 130 am in my defence). I was only there for 8 days.

But it's also a strange dynamic where if you meet them for dinner, choose a place which is at least somewhat presentable then the cost of that could be pretty close to getting 1 girl from Classic Hotel where that is guaranteed and obviously with the date far from it. So you have to weigh up your options but one things for sure, you will definitely be satisfied 1 way or the other. Which is a far cry from what I can say about even Bangkok these days with either tinder or the other options which are quite a lot more than the ones in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]LOL. I never meet them at any fancy, or even presentable dinner, unless I've already banged them enough times to have started to like them.

The girl I mentioned that did not come back with me I met for coffee and cake, while the hijab girl I met for swimming in the pool of my hotel, after telling here there were changing rooms by the pool so she did not have to go to my room to change. She had earlier in the conversation said was not going to come to my hotel while we were trying to figure out what coffee shop to meet at during the three hours she had left before she had to leave for work. After we'd been in / around the pool for almost an hour I suggested she might want to try the non-alcohol soda (Singha lemon soda) I had brought with me from Thailand, which was in my room.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2935219]
But it's also a strange dynamic where if you meet them for dinner, choose a place which is at least somewhat presentable then the cost of that could be pretty close to getting 1 girl from Classic Hotel where that is guaranteed and obviously with the date far from it. So you have to weigh up your options but one things for sure, you will definitely be satisfied 1 way or the other. Which is a far cry from what I can say about even Bangkok these days with either tinder or the other options which are quite a lot more than the ones in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]And just to add: at least to me there's a world of difference in banging a girl because she wants me to bang her, and banging a girl because I pay her to let me bang her. Girls that want to meet at some fancy restaurant for the first date I have fortunately rarely experienced, and I would just label them as gold diggers and suggest we meet at the cheapest noddle stand I can think of instead.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2935138]I have the tinder app but never used it. Was the Tinder girl a freebie or did you agree on a price ahead of time? And why were you somewhat disappointed with her looks?[/QUOTE]I don't think I said I were disappointed with her looks?

And no, I did not pay here any money, but I did book a taxi via the Grab app (I set it up in Thailand long time ago, and fortunately it also works in Indonesia.) for her to come to the hotel. When she left, I offered to do the same (bike in this case, as she was in a hurry). It was just a normal "date", except usually girls arrange their own transport rather than asking me to book / pay it for them. Not sure I've ever been asked that before, but I thought ok, I've never met a hijab girl either, so who knows? It was just 5-6 km each way I think and cost the equivalent of a cup of coffee or something like that, so not even sure why she asked. Guessing it made her feel better for some reason that I was paying for her to come.

We all learn at some point and somewhere. As far as I can tell, you did pretty well for being new to classic.

In regards to timing, it doesn't make sense but if you look at a different perspective, they are not dealing with 2 different rooms-cleaning and getting a bonus of 150 by giving you 1 girl who pretty much would sit on the couch staring at her phone. Also, classic isn't really loosing much after paying girls (few changes) whatever they are getting.

So, trick here as stated before, have mamma drill these key words in to the girls mind, "good service good tips" possibly "double time if they perform well". End of the day, they are there to make money for whatever financial constraints they are in and we are there to give them that in exchange of something they possess. Don't forget to show the countdown timer to the room attendant as you walk in 😁.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935347]Well, I will bow to your experience and apologise for what is probably my error then. I don't think I asked the mamasan (Cha-Cha, which I kind of liked) if two girls at Classic gave more time, but instead for some reason just assumed it did not. Probably this was due to two girls costing just 150,000 more than one girl, while two hours instead of one hour costs 700,000. So it doesn't really make any sense that paying 150,000 more will give you both an extra half hour and an extra girl, while paying 350,000 more gives you just one more hour. I mean, wtf?

When the phone then started to ring after one hour, I just took that as confirmation. At that time I was already showered and dressed anyway, as I assumed time was running out and I'm not going to fuck them again in whatever few minutes are left. Had I known there were half an hour left, I might have played it differently.[/QUOTE]

Here my friend, you made an historic milestone. Getting Tinder girls in exchange of Grab. Lucky you and happy for you.

I have had Badoo and Cupid girls for free but then I paid for their taxi and dinner but never a tinder. One of them actually accompanied me to Bangkok. My luck with Tinder being all high-fly golden pussy syndrome infected girls.

Keep her in loupe bud, will come in handy on a rainy day 😁.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935355]I don't think I said I were disappointed with her looks?

And no, I did not pay here any money, but I did book a taxi via the Grab app (I set it up in Thailand long time ago, and fortunately it also works in Indonesia.) for her to come to the hotel. When she left, I offered to do the same (bike in this case, as she was in a hurry). It was just a normal "date", except usually girls arrange their own transport rather than asking me to book / pay it for them. Not sure I've ever been asked that before, but I thought ok, I've never met a hijab girl either, so who knows? It was just 5-6 km each way I think and cost the equivalent of a cup of coffee or something like that, so not even sure why she asked. Guessing it made her feel better for some reason that I was paying for her to come.[/QUOTE]

Looks like Emporium is trying to up their game as well. When you say Papasam / Handler, are we talking about David? As long as I've known him, he is very transparent and listens to what client desires.

[QUOTE=DevSagar;2935317]I have banged 6 chicks in Emporium on my 2 trips so far. There was a report by a fellow traveler that a minimum tip of 200 K is mandatory to the chick. I was not aware of it as even on my this trip; I have been paying 200 K willingly so far without knowing this rule as I was mighty delighted with the chicks performance in the room.

Now, the chick that I banged today was greedy; ordered a corona despite me telling her No that neither I drink nor I smoke. She wanted to order fags also but did not, still went ahead with beer. The bill came to me and I had a polite discussion with the Papasan that I was not happy with the service as well. My 3 points raised were; the first one that you did not inform me of giving me a 1.4 M chick. I did not ask and he did not tell. Don't know, whose mistake it is. In his defense, he said I chose the best chick for you as per your need. I told him you should have informed me about the price point. I gave the chick 100 K as tip and she demanded more. I could not understand as we had a communication problem due to the language. My 2nd point was I am not happy with chicks service in room and I pay tip as per my choice and not as her matter of right. Then he informed me that the management changed the rule one month ago that it is mandatory. I said WTF. He said last time when you were here it was your wish but now it isn't. I called the chick down to the reception and gave her another 100 K. My third point was I told her that I do not drink or smoke and dissuaded as her as well but when I came out of shower post the swimming pool session she was holding a bottle of corona. She carried it with her to the room and drank it after our 90 minute session was over while I was having my shower. I conveyed all of this to Papasan and again the same excuse that she does not understand English language; she has been working there since a year. Offered me a 3 sum too in the room which I declined. So, overall an expense of 1.8 K today with an a polite argument at the end to just kind of be a spoiler of my mood. It is not about the money which has bugged me but as a matter of principle being a customer I should be informed first. I have made my displeasure known to the Papasan today.

I have had my share of wonderful and a few disappointing experiences here; picked chick from Bats and CJs, banged a chick from tinder, repeated my last trip chick, repeated a chick of this trip as well and 2 wow experience's at Emporium except today. My lips and tongue are hurting but still thirsty as I have done so much of DFK. My dick is angry at me and is expecting me to stop and let it rest for a while but it will happen when I am back in my hometown in a few days. It has been a learning experience.

Regards.[/QUOTE]

Forgot to respond on ChaCha, she is one of the nice ones there and doesn't work on a vulture style. Another one I like and trust is Jeni. Last one is Henni, she listens to me and finds what I desire even if she needs to get it from other Mamma. Only thing I don't like about her is her shark syndrome. She would sit in my table and ask for lady drink, smoke and anything else you can think off! I in-fact once told her, "let me take you to the room and milk you 😁.

Offer chacha if you desire, you never know, she might surprise you 😉.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935347]Well, I will bow to your experience and apologise for what is probably my error then. I don't think I asked the mamasan (Cha-Cha, which I kind of liked) if two girls at Classic gave more time, but instead for some reason just assumed it did not. Probably this was due to two girls costing just 150,000 more than one girl, while two hours instead of one hour costs 700,000. So it doesn't really make any sense that paying 150,000 more will give you both an extra half hour and an extra girl, while paying 350,000 more gives you just one more hour. I mean, wtf?

When the phone then started to ring after one hour, I just took that as confirmation. At that time I was already showered and dressed anyway, as I assumed time was running out and I'm not going to fuck them again in whatever few minutes are left. Had I known there were half an hour left, I might have played it differently.[/QUOTE]

Just got my E-Visa in 10 min after a bit of a hiccup. If you have one of those new passport with a privacy protection film on the photo page, just know, while taking picture of it to upload, glare will distort the image quality to a degree that uploading process will reject it. Only way around is to take a black and white picture then upload unless you have access to one of those high end photo scanners but you would have to reduce the file size.

Also, just to confirm, if your country is eligible to E-visa, you will have access to e-gate at immigration. It should say at the bottom of the e-visa page.

Hope this helps everyone.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2935228]Here it is, possibly most completed TERMS AND ABBREVIATIONS IN THE WORLD OF SEXPEDITION Indonesia. Special thanks to fellow mongers, Kimochi, Classic, Segitia and KUY group to add their input and define most common words that can be understood by different regions of Indonesia.

1. BJ: Oral Sex. Seks oral.

2. HJ: Onani / Masturbation. Masturbasi.

3. FJ: Having Sex. Bersetubuh.

4. ML: Make Love (Having Sex) - Bersetubuh.

5. FK: French Kiss / Fucking Kiss. French Kiss / Fucking Kiss.

6. FF: Finger Fuck (Putting Fingers Into Vagina) - Masukkin Jari Ke Vagina.

7. MOT: Man On The Top. Co Di Atas.

8. WOT: Woman On The Top. Cw Di Atas.

9. DS: Doggy Style. Doggy Style.

10. DC: Damage Cost. Damage Cost.

11. GFE: Girl Friend Experience. Girl Friend Experience.

12. WP: Female Entertainer. Wanita Penghibur.

13. NPWP: Female Call Number. Nomor Punggung Wanita Panggilan.

14. PP: Massage Parlor. Panti Pijat.

15. SSI: Speak Speak Iblis. Speak Speak Iblis.

16. ST: Short Time. Short Time.

17. *LT*: Long Time. Long Time.

18. Polda: Kitchen Police (wife) - Polisi Dapur (Isteri).

19. *CT*: Classic Terminal.

20. *Blok T*: Travel Hotel.

21. *Blok see*: Classic Hotel.

22. *Blok A*: Alexis Hotel (RIP. A great loss to the punters).

23. *BB*: Bintang Baru Hotel.

24. *HS*: Hill Side Hotel.

25. *CIF*: Cum In Face. Keluar di Muka.

26. CIM: Cum In Mouth (Out in Mouth) - Keluar di Mulut.

27. Corn Fur: WP who is still a teenager. Bulu Jagung*: WP yang masih abg.

28. Panlok: WP of Chinese descent. Panlok*: WP Keturunan Chinese.

29. *BM*: Body Massage.

30. LC: Lady Companion (Usually found in karaoke places) -*LC*: Lady Companion (Biasanya ada di tempat2 karaoke).

31. BD: Back Door (Anal Sex).

32. *SHS*: Sex History Speak (don't know what that means!

33. Kondie / Caps / Tameng: Condom. Kondom.

34. *Toge*: Good. Toge*: baik.

35. Tobi: good Savage. Tobi*: baik Biadab.

36. Nocan: Beautiful Number (wp cellphone number / masseuse number at PP) - Nomor Cantik (no hp wp / no pemijat di PP).

37. Therapist: Female masseuse at PP. Therapis*: Wanita pemijat di PP.

38. RO: Repeat Order (FJ with the same girl at different times) -*RO*: Repeat Order (FJ dengan cewe yang sama dalam waktu berbeda).

39. *MMC*: Mimik mimik Cucu.

40. Good -.

41. FOC: Free of Charge (free ML) - ML gratisan.

42. TO: Operation Target. Target Operasi.

43. Red sheet = Rp 100,000 - lembar merah*= Rp 100.000.

44. Blue sheet = Rp 50,000 - lembar biru*= Rp 50.000.

45. Green sheet = Rp 20,000 -*lembar hijau*= Rp 20.000.

46. BSH = Barisan Sakit Hati. Barisan Sakit Hati.

47. PK*= Oversleep hero / loser who likes to report. Pahlawan Kesiangan / pecundang yg suka melapor.

48. *Mimin*= mindik-mindik.

49. *Anjelo*= pick-up and drop-off for housemaids. Antar jemput pramuria.

50. *BBW*= Big Beautiful Woman. Wanita Cantik dan Besar.

51. *Benerin tile*= going upstairs (entering the room with the WP) -*Benerin genteng*= naek ke atas (masuk ke kamar bersama sang WP).

52. *Big "O"*= orgasm. Orgasm, orgasme.

53. *Binor*= someone's wife. Bini orang.

54. *BU*= needs money (like a sales and buy) -*BU*= butuh uang (kayak iklan jual beli).

55. *Buang tai macan*= throw away / expel sperm or semen. Buang tai macan*= buang / keluarin sperma atau sperma.

56. *Maize hair*= smelly teenager who has just started growing hair. Bulu jagung*= abg bau kencur yg baru mulai tumbuh bulu.

57. *Diesel*= sucked until annoyed. Diisep sampe kesel.

58. *GRO*= Guest Relation Officer. Guest Relation Officer.

59. *MK: Cat Bath. Mandi Kucing.

60. *JM: lick miss v. Jilat miss v.

61. *LD*: Ladies Drink.

62. *STW*: Half Old -*STW*: Setengah TuWa.

63. *MILF*: Mom I'd like to fuck.

64. *PM: Pick Mango (either combined with massaging other vital parts around the penis) - Petik Mangga (baik yang dikombinasikan dengan mengurut bagian vital lainnya di sekitar penis).

65. *Kutilang*: THIN Tall SLIMMING. KUrus TInggi LANGsing.

66. *PHP*: Giver of False Hope. Pemberi Harapan Palsu.

67. *FL*: Free Lancer.

68. *SD*: Sexy Dancer.

69. *KC*: King Cross.

70. *MS*: Healthy Massage. Massage Sehat.

71. *JM*: Lick squid. Jilat cumi.

72. CK: Wash Under, lick the anus. Cuci Kolong jilat lobang anus.

73. Bookingan, Bispak, Bokep, Bisyar (basically hookers).

74. ABG (Anak Baru Gede: young girl).

75. Jak Sel (selatan: south), Pus (pusat: CBD).

76. Include / exclude (hotel cost).

77. DP (Deposit, NOT Double Penetration!

Happy Safe Mongering, Zippo.[/QUOTE]Thank you Zippo. Just a note that 'toge' does not mean 'good' in a literal sense, but rather 'toket besar' or 'big tits'. Not listed here is 'tobrut', which means 'toket brutal' or even bigger tits. Both are good, I suppose! SHS likely means 'Senior High School' or SMA in Indonesian.

Yes and I do not blame him. It's the trust and faith factor between the client and Handler. Always have gone by his recommendation and only one time in the past I chose a 1. 4 M chick but he had clarified in advance with reference to her rate. Yesterday, too had pinged him in advance about my arrival and he had kept 2 chicks in mind for me but both of them were 1. 4 M chicks. I was not informed of the price and I just chose one out of them. Then the misunderstanding regarding the tip as I was not aware of the rule change. I have always paid 200 K but that was my choice not out of compulsion. Yesterday got to know of this rule so came as a bit of surprise. I had a polite discussion with him on the reception counter that I did not know all this hence the confusion. Called the chick down and handed her another 100 K as her tip. I will not be surprised if other clubs or bars also adopt the same strategy of minimum tip to the chicks. All in all, still a nice trip with a few minuses; part of mongering journey. It happens, so it's fine. Just wanted other members to be aware of before they take the call.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2935392]Looks like Emporium is trying to up their game as well. When you say Papasam / Handler, are we talking about David? As long as I've known him, he is very transparent and listens to what client desires.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zippos;2935391]Here my friend, you made an historic milestone. Getting Tinder girls in exchange of Grab. Lucky you and happy for you.

I have had Badoo and Cupid girls for free but then I paid for their taxi and dinner but never a tinder. One of them actually accompanied me to Bangkok. My luck with Tinder being all high-fly golden pussy syndrome infected girls.

Keep her in loupe bud, will come in handy on a rainy day 😁.[/QUOTE]LOL, thank you.

I recommend giving tinder another go. IME, most of the girls on there in Jakarta are normal girls. As a white guy, I also got considerably more attraction in Jakarta on the dating apps than I do in Bangkok.

I recommend the Bumble app too.

It was difficult to meet these regular girls when I only had a few days though, since I'm not really handsome perhaps. The back and forth messaging goes on for days usually, and many just fizzle out, perhaps before contacting you again several days later. Like today and yesterday I got messages from several girls who I had been talking to while in Jakarta, but now there's no point.

[QUOTE=DevSagar;2935317]I have banged 6 chicks in Emporium on my 2 trips so far. There was a report by a fellow traveler that a minimum tip of 200 K is mandatory to the chick. I was not aware of it as even on my this trip; I have been paying 200 K willingly so far without knowing this rule as I was mighty delighted with the chicks performance in the room.

Now, the chick that I banged today was greedy; ordered a corona despite me telling her No that neither I drink nor I smoke. She wanted to order fags also but did not, still went ahead with beer. The bill came to me and I had a polite discussion with the Papasan that I was not happy with the service as well. My 3 points raised were; the first one that you did not inform me of giving me a 1.4 M chick. I did not ask and he did not tell. Don't know, whose mistake it is. In his defense, he said I chose the best chick for you as per your need. I told him you should have informed me about the price point. I gave the chick 100 K as tip and she demanded more. I could not understand as we had a communication problem due to the language. My 2nd point was I am not happy with chicks service in room and I pay tip as per my choice and not as her matter of right. Then he informed me that the management changed the rule one month ago that it is mandatory. I said WTF. He said last time when you were here it was your wish but now it isn't. I called the chick down to the reception and gave her another 100 K. My third point was I told her that I do not drink or smoke and dissuaded as her as well but when I came out of shower post the swimming pool session she was holding a bottle of corona. She carried it with her to the room and drank it after our 90 minute session was over while I was having my shower. I conveyed all of this to Papasan and again the same excuse that she does not understand English language; she has been working there since a year. Offered me a 3 sum too in the room which I declined. So, overall an expense of 1.8 K today with an a polite argument at the end to just kind of be a spoiler of my mood. It is not about the money which has bugged me but as a matter of principle being a customer I should be informed first. I have made my displeasure known to the Papasan today.

I have had my share of wonderful and a few disappointing experiences here; picked chick from Bats and CJs, banged a chick from tinder, repeated my last trip chick, repeated a chick of this trip as well and 2 wow experience's at Emporium except today. My lips and tongue are hurting but still thirsty as I have done so much of DFK. My dick is angry at me and is expecting me to stop and let it rest for a while but it will happen when I am back in my hometown in a few days. It has been a learning experience.

Regards.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I had top customer service at Emporium. I tipped 200 K as my my normal tip for good service. The first girl seemed a little disappointed (because she gave me BBFS) but didn't make a fuss. The second girl was more than happy with the amount. But I don't like the idea of it being mandatory. Then just raise the price. Tips should be incentive for service. I'm hoping your case is not the typical and something just got lost in translation. Otherwise we should assume the price to be 1. 4/1. 6 which is still cheaper than Thailand and even Philippines for equivalent quality girls so still not a deal breaker.

Thanks much for the input. I will update the list.

Let me know if you think of anything else.

[QUOTE=Member#3088;2935407]Thank you Zippo. Just a note that 'toge' does not mean 'good' in a literal sense, but rather 'toket besar' or 'big tits'. Not listed here is 'tobrut', which means 'toket brutal' or even bigger tits. Both are good, I suppose! SHS likely means 'Senior High School' or SMA in Indonesian.[/QUOTE]

I sure will give it Tinder a try this time as well bumble. I will just have to free up some time between meeting my both milfs and a very good friend. I think I can mange out of 2 weeks.

I think it was Westcoast or G or someone said, Indonesia always seems to be behind by a certain period. I guess same goes for Tinder girls too 😁. Like you said, there is absolutely no pint right now since you aren't even in the country.

Here is a fun fact, Indonesia is quoting IDR1,500,000 for 5 years tourist evisa. That's literally $930 and if you break it down that's equivalent to applying for 33 evisa! Whomever came up with that idea. Must be on some sort of special pills.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935456]LOL, thank you.

I recommend giving tinder another go. IME, most of the girls on there in Jakarta are normal girls. As a white guy, I also got considerably more attraction in Jakarta on the dating apps than I do in Bangkok.

I recommend the Bumble app too.

It was difficult to meet these regular girls when I only had a few days though, since I'm not really handsome perhaps. The back and forth messaging goes on for days usually, and many just fizzle out, perhaps before contacting you again several days later. Like today and yesterday I got messages from several girls who I had been talking to while in Jakarta, but now there's no point.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935355]I don't think I said I were disappointed with her looks?

And no, I did not pay here any money, but I did book a taxi via the Grab app (I set it up in Thailand long time ago, and fortunately it also works in Indonesia.) for her to come to the hotel. When she left, I offered to do the same (bike in this case, as she was in a hurry). It was just a normal "date", except usually girls arrange their own transport rather than asking me to book / pay it for them. Not sure I've ever been asked that before, but I thought ok, I've never met a hijab girl either, so who knows? It was just 5-6 km each way I think and cost the equivalent of a cup of coffee or something like that, so not even sure why she asked. Guessing it made her feel better for some reason that I was paying for her to come.[/QUOTE]Oops. You are correct. I reread your hijab post and you didn't say you were disappointed with her looks. I am very interested with hijab girls We all have our kinks!

[QUOTE=Zippos;2935399]Just got my E-Visa in 10 min after a bit of a hiccup. If you have one of those new passport with a privacy protection film on the photo page, just know, while taking picture of it to upload, glare will distort the image quality to a degree that uploading process will reject it. Only way around is to take a black and white picture then upload unless you have access to one of those high end photo scanners but you would have to reduce the file size.

Also, just to confirm, if your country is eligible to E-visa, you will have access to e-gate at immigration. It should say at the bottom of the e-visa page.

Hope this helps everyone.[/QUOTE]I second that. Seems there were some questions from guys in posts from recent months about logistical items re Jakarta. My experience getting set up last week was super easy and getting into / around Jakarkta is a lot easier than some posts led me to believe.

Getting set up and settled has been covered in various ways, but I think an occasional update helps for the un / less initiated:

1. Airport immigration and customs.

*eVoa.

- account. Set up an account at the Immigration website, but note that your information doesn't all transfer directly from account to eVOA application, and application has its own required information.

- application. Get your passport, passport-sized photo, and return / onward ticket docs ready in advance and you'll save time, but system seems stable now.

- I used Onward Ticket (US $16) for uploading an eTicket reservation and it worked no problem for getting eVOA; since the eVOA allows you to use the eGate at immigration; no one asked to see my onward ticket, but I had it printed and ready in case.

- definitely get eVOA in advance, there was a LONG line of people applying for VOA at airport around midnight, must have been 60-minute wait at least for them; I walked right past them and was out through eGate in seconds.

*eCustoms. I also filled out eCustoms form before I got on my flight; scanned me straight through at airport.

2. ATM. Used the HSBC ATM for my HSBC card before immigration, easy and less than 2 $ fee.

3. sim card and phone.

- Don't know what all the earlier fuss was about this. It works exactly the same as in Bangkok, Manila, etc. , super easy to set up.

- Around 5 sim card providers just outside arrival after customs, open 24 hours, got me set up with 65 GB for $30.

- Staff set up physical sim in my own phone, no special registration needed for 30 day stay (though they had to do the IMEI registration for the sim card only).

- Works immediately and I have exactly same data / calling in Jakarta as other major SE Asian locations.

4. Grab from airport. Super easy, convenient, and good service;.

- Grab has its own special stand (past Bluebird stand) to the left a ways out of airport exit; could add the highway toll in with the credit card payment, super nice staff and driver.

5. Traffic. Not as bad as some guys say; its like other Asian cities when they were building mass transit systems.

- Air is bad; recommend buying masks.

- Grab bike is easy, fun, and saves you half the time; usually arrives within 2 minutes; but your clothes will smell of exhaust.

6. Walking. Also not as bad as some guys say (wtf dudes); just walk on the edge of the street; exploring areas and smaller streets on foot has been fun and easy, but make sure you keep eyes in all directions for traffic, which is not difficult to adjust to.

7. ISG access. Easy access, same as everywhere (but with VPN). Using hotel wifi with my regular VPN.

My flight arrived at gate at 11:50 pm and I was checked into hotel room by 1:30 am. Imo smoother than Bangkok. These are my experiences coming in end of July. I'm enjoying city so much I'm giving dick a needed rest from July in PH before fully diving into Indo snatch.

[QUOTE=DevSagar;2935442]Yes and I do not blame him. It's the trust and faith factor between the client and Handler. Always have gone by his recommendation and only one time in the past I chose a 1. 4 M chick but he had clarified in advance with reference to her rate. Yesterday, too had pinged him in advance about my arrival and he had kept 2 chicks in mind for me but both of them were 1. 4 M chicks. I was not informed of the price and I just chose one out of them. Then the misunderstanding regarding the tip as I was not aware of the rule change. I have always paid 200 K but that was my choice not out of compulsion. Yesterday got to know of this rule so came as a bit of surprise. I had a polite discussion with him on the reception counter that I did not know all this hence the confusion. Called the chick down and handed her another 100 K as her tip. I will not be surprised if other clubs or bars also adopt the same strategy of minimum tip to the chicks. All in all, still a nice trip with a few minuses; part of mongering journey. It happens, so it's fine. Just wanted other members to be aware of before they take the call.

Regards.[/QUOTE]Surprised to hear that. I've only been to Emporivm twice, both last week, but I did not see any indication that a tip is mandatory, and indeed it would suck if it now is. I'm surprised because:

1) Neither David, nor the mamsan I dealt with two days later, as David was not working, mentioned any tip.

2) The girl I went with, she asked me at the end how I wanted to give her her tip (LOL, who says I am going to give you a tip, honey? Via coupon, or cash). At first I had no idea what coupon meant, but she showed me a small slip of paper that had four options for "tipping for service" that you could tick: 100,000, 200,000, 500,000, 1000,000. And I did not notice any mention of it being mandatory either, so had service been bad I would have tipped nothing (and perhaps then found out it is mandatory at the counter later? Dunno).

As it was, I banged the girl twice without condom during our 90 minutes, so I guesstimated that a 500,000 should be a decent enough tip for that. Next time I, purely by coincidence, tipped 200,000 (happened to be the same chick). Service was good (the same), but only banged her twice.

[QUOTE=DevSagar;2935442]Yes and I do not blame him. It's the trust and faith factor between the client and Handler. Always have gone by his recommendation and only one time in the past I chose a 1. 4 M chick but he had clarified in advance with reference to her rate. Yesterday, too had pinged him in advance about my arrival and he had kept 2 chicks in mind for me but both of them were 1. 4 M chicks. I was not informed of the price and I just chose one out of them.
[/QUOTE]This particular point I don't think there's any reason to blame the papasan / David for. I don't see why you had any more reason to assume the girls were 1. 2 M girls than 1. 4 M girls, so you should simply have asked IMO.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935564]but only banged her twice.[/QUOTE]Only banged her once, that should have said.

No, it is not a typical case and is mandatory; no backing out. I have fucked 6 girls there and have given all 5 of them 200 K because I was super happy with the service. I do not do BBFS but was mighty pleased with what I got. The 6th girl attitude in the room and outside was not that warm; wouldn't call it cold as well but found her to be too commercial kinda chick. I gave her 100 K and that's how Papasan came to me at the counter and explained the rule to me that it has been changed only a month ago. Tips cannot be forced out of me if not informed earlier in advance. Honestly, it's not 100 K that bugged me as God's been kind but the rule change or no prior info that irritated me. Nothing got lost in translation as me and Papasan both can converse and understand English Language.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2935457]Interesting. I had top customer service at Emporium. I tipped 200 K as my my normal tip for good service. The first girl seemed a little disappointed (because she gave me BBFS) but didn't make a fuss. The second girl was more than happy with the amount. But I don't like the idea of it being mandatory. Then just raise the price. Tips should be incentive for service. I'm hoping your case is not the typical and something just got lost in translation. Otherwise we should assume the price to be 1. 4/1. 6 which is still cheaper than Thailand and even Philippines for equivalent quality girls so still not a deal breaker.[/QUOTE]

I wrote that I do not blame him. In my business, my customers trust me and I work on Pan country basis and likewise we share the same faith factor. It's the goodwill and faith. The only time he gave me a 1. 4 K girl in my last 5 sessions but not for the sixth chick, I was informed in advance about her price but not this time. I had taken the 1. 4 M chick as he chose it for me but when she came and sat with me, I observed she had a kind of a slight moustache and I sent her back before choosing a 1. 2 M chick. That was on my last trip. So, me or him assuming does not arise. He assumed that I would go with his choice which I did and I assumed that he would like a one time before inform me of 1. 4 M chick which he did not. So, that's my point but nevertheless, it's been a learning trip. He pinged me yesterday again to come but by that time I had emptied my juice in a Bumble chick. Sorry but my opinion is that as a customer I should be informed if the chick is of 1. 4 M. Have fun and enjoy. I depart.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935566]This particular point I don't think there's any reason to blame the papasan / David for. I don't see why you had any more reason to assume the girls were 1. 2 M girls than 1. 4 M girls, so you should simply have asked IMO.[/QUOTE]

Please allow me to correct you. If my memory serves me right, there is no column of 100 K tip on that coupon which the girl presents to the client. It starts with 200 K, 300 K and so on and so forth. I have always been paying cash. Also, let me clarify that last time my colleague also went there on my last trip with me as he did not know about this place; he gave a tip of 150 K cash to the chick and took a food bill as he paid by credit card and debited the account to his company. That MF has a huge travelling budget and I pointed it out to him, you lucky bastard you fuck chick on company expense. Also, allow me to inform all gents here that Papasan specifically came to meet me at my time and preponed his visit to the dentist. He also informed me if he's not there, other Mamasans would take care of me as now they know me well too as in less than 2 months I have been there 7 times, one time with my colleague. Since, you paid 200 K or more; you were not informed of this rule but I gave the chick 100 K hence how it unfolded to me. Tip is for service; great or bad that's my luck and between me and the customer but how much I give is my choice not to be forced out of me till I know the rule. It's fine as now I know all the rules.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2935564]Surprised to hear that. I've only been to Emporivm twice, both last week, but I did not see any indication that a tip is mandatory, and indeed it would suck if it now is. I'm surprised because:

1) Neither David, nor the mamsan I dealt with two days later, as David was not working, mentioned any tip.

2) The girl I went with, she asked me at the end how I wanted to give her her tip (LOL, who says I am going to give you a tip, honey? Via coupon, or cash). At first I had no idea what coupon meant, but she showed me a small slip of paper that had four options for "tipping for service" that you could tick: 100,000, 200,000, 500,000, 1000,000. And I did not notice any mention of it being mandatory either, so had service been bad I would have tipped nothing (and perhaps then found out it is mandatory at the counter later? Dunno).

As it was, I banged the girl twice without condom during our 90 minutes, so I guesstimated that a 500,000 should be a decent enough tip for that. Next time I, purely by coincidence, tipped 200,000 (happened to be the same chick). Service was good (the same), but only banged her twice.[/QUOTE]

Zippos, check again please. IDR1,500,000 is $93 and not $930 unless you wanted to type IDR 15,000,000 and made an error. If its just $93 I am game.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2935462]Here is a fun fact, Indonesia is quoting IDR1,500,000 for 5 years tourist evisa. That's literally $930 and if you break it down that's equivalent to applying for 33 evisa! Whomever came up with that idea. Must be on some sort of special pills.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DevSagar;2935631]Please allow me to correct you. If my memory serves me right, there is no column of 100 K tip on that coupon which the girl presents to the client. It starts with 200 K, 300 K and so on and so forth. ... Since, you paid 200 K or more; you were not informed of this rule but I gave the chick 100 K hence how it unfolded to me. Tip is for service; great or bad that's my luck and between me and the customer but how much I give is my choice not to be forced out of me till I know the rule. It's fine as now I know all the rules.[/QUOTE]

One of us obviously remembers the listed tip possibilities wrong, and it may very well be me.

I agree with you. Tip should be for service, and it is unfortunate if that is not the case. So the price is then in practice 1. 433 or 1. 633 at Emporivm now, depending on the girl, + plus whatever extra tip-on-tip you want to give.

IMO this is a bad thing, as it removes incentive for the girls to provide good service if they are now guaranteed a "tip" regardless of their service. In your case, with that one girl, I would probably have given a tip of zero. It would certainly have left a sour taste in my mouth if I had then been forced to pay her a tip of 200 k by management.

(nNrth side).

Glow Spa 500 k 1 hour.

Across from Travel Hotel. Opened early June and I went there late June. I walked into the entrance room 1.5 m x 1.5 m with a desk and 3-4 guys standing there making it very small. I did not like that. They have a list of 5-6 offerings (HJ, BJ, sex.). But I can get 2 girls for that across the street so I walked out.

Mari Enjoy 300 k 13 girls.

Three streets north of Burger King. Across from Paragon Mall. You are on the correct street when you turn around and see Abuba Steak sign across the street. Bar is on your left. Someone will greet you outside most times. Place is a dump. 1 towel. No tissue to clean up. I took a nice 5 foot girl there, an Oriental face tall girl who had baby damage but firm boobs and laughed a lot, and one other. They get up from sitting rather slowly so I thought they did not want me, but in the room they were fine. All 3 either liked sex or were great actresses that was the thing for me. It was like they had not had any for a while. There is a massage place just past it is just a massage place. The karaoke across is just a karaoke place.

Classic 1st floor club has indeed increased entrance fee from 5 k to 30 k. Communication issue so still unsure of girl costs.

XXX.

(South side) Pondok Indah.

Mr. Braid 350 k and 450 k 30 girls.

Across from Gandaria Mall (my favorite mall). Big sign. Girls upstairs Yellow tag 350 k and red teg 450 k. They sat in their colored groups when I was there. Not too dark so you can see the girls. The girls seemed a little thick. The girl I took kept looking at her boobs like I was leaving marks on them, tried to drive (which I hate), and moaned too much. I corrected her and was able to finish.

New Vins Spa 300 k and pricier levels.

Straight south on the same street as Mr. Braid. Walked past and did not see it twice. Third time was a charm. Dark small sign. Mamasan April nice and speaks English. Wanted to show pictures but I said show me the girls in real. Took a girl and she put her phone in a locker next the rooms. I think she asked me if I wanted to do the same. That would have been tremendously stupid of me! The girl I took spoke very little English yet she kept trying to talk every 3 minutes so could never concentrate. She also said condom twice before even undressing which is not a good sign. She checked her boobs like I was leaving marks on them and also checked the condom was on when trying to do doggie. The door did not lock and was a sliding door which would make it easy for someone to reach in and grab something. Midway all the lights turned off. I had my phone so turned on the flashlight. Lights out for 3 minutes. Kind of odd that the air conditioner light stayed on. The whole thing made my spider sense tingle so I could not get hard but twice for just a few minutes. At the end she asked if she was good and I shook my head no and put two thumbs down. No tip.

Mars Spa 455 k and pricier levels.

Never made it there.

XXX.

(west side) Just west of Royal Taruma Hospital. Info taken Friday starting 7:15 pm.

Hot Pants 350 k 0 girls.

Girls were supposed to be upstairs. There were 4 guys. 1 employee. 1 possible employee. 2 customers. No girls in the room.

Cahaya Arwana 350 k 4 girls.

5 second walk next door. 4 girls in the dark all sitting in different areas playing on their phones showing no interest. Mamasan motions more upstairs getting ready. I leave and she gets a little bitchy.

Wijaya 77 350 k 3 girls.

Another 5 second walk next door. 3 older little heavy / chubby sitting outside.

New Medika 400 k 35 girls.

Next street over closer to the hospital. Two entrances. One entrance across from Indramaret. The second on the back side which has the girls. It was two rooms connected with a hallway. Mamasan approaches me and I tell her what I want. She shows me the 2 girls closest to us. They were ok. I might have taken one but I said no because I am pissed off on how they just grab the first girl rather than what I asked for. She then yells out I want thin with big boobs which of course makes them shy. I walk away and look down the rows of girls. I see 2 with big boobs. Not sure if skinny or not. They are hiding form me. I make eye contact but they are shy now from the big mouth mamasan or just not interested. Wonderful damn start. I walk into the far room and sit down for 15 minutes to watch a few girls walk by. They show no interest and no mamasans come to talk to me so I leave.

I will return again next year on a Saturday night at 8:00 pm and see what happens.

XXX.

(east side) Kelapa Gading.

Almost straight east of Classic Hotel when looking on a map.

There is a street that runs in front of Mall of Indonesia with the brothel girls on the other side. I like to walk but it is near impossible to walk across that street. There are no stop lights for about 2 kilometers so everything is flying past you. So you have to walk 3 kilometers or more around just to cross the street!

One the right (east) side of the street all within a group like the girls on the other side in a group. I got the prices but not always the times and no idea how many girls. I was tired, got a late start, and the places closed earlier than expected. This info was taken on a Wednesday night.

550 k 90 minutes Mango Three Massage.

750 k D'Heaven.

430 k 1 hour Bro & Sis Massage (formerly Bosses).

315 k 1 hour Blow Art (BJ only). 10 pm only one girl who was small but sexy. I should have asked her if she would have had sex but didn't.

? Happy Massage across from Blow Art (HJ only).

The left (west) side of the street.

84 k entrance fee Kings Cross. I asked how much the girls were and she said I had to ask the mamasan. I do not know if the entrance fee includes free drink or can be applied to the cost of the girl if I take a girl. So many other places with free or super cheap fees and since she was stupid not knowing the cost of the girls I left. That was all I needed to know.

645 k 90 minutes Vermouth Lounge and Spa. There were 2 cashiers. I returned 20 minutes later and only the one sexy cashier was there. She was hot. I asked her if I could take her and she said no. I left crying.

570 k 1 hour MTR2. 7 girls at 10:45. I did not take inventory of their looks. Midnight is closing time so mentally they have already checked out and will rush it. They had 2 papasans rather than mamasans which I am not particularly fond of. Also, they asked me if I wanted a drink first versus the norm I am used to with asking me if I want a girl first.

500 k 1 hour Permata Karaoke and Spa. At 11:00 there were only 6 girls and none that I wanted. Closing at midnight. I asked where all the girls were and he said they went home already.

Sumo Spa told me no girls for fun, only massage. I do not believe.

Delta Spa. No damned idea. Place was already closed at 11:00.

Crossed "The Street" at 11:15 pm and still dangerous.

Seems as if Kelapa Gading all closes by 11 and midnight. All info gained in one day. I gave up rather quickly. Five cockroaches ran away when I turned on the light to my room at MP Hotel. I left the next day even though I paid for 2 nights. I ordered onion rings and calamari from the hotel restaurant but no calamari. I went to the mall and walked past a restaurant with several signs. One was orange chicken which I have not had forever. Can you guess what was out of stock? There was a 24 hour KFC and Taco Bell. Went there around midnight and of course the Taco Bell I wanted was closed but the KFC I did not want was open. Then there was the insanely impossible street I could barely cross. Higher prices of the girls with earlier closing times of the bars / spas. Everything screamed "get out" so I did. But before I left I scored my calamari at Master Squid in Mall of Indonesia. Thin strips in powder of seaweed, cheese, BBQ, or salt and pepper that they baked rather than battered and fried.

XXXXX.

Some guys say you will not be refused. BS. I have been refused 9+ times and even more silent rejections where I can tell they do not want to go with me. Several because I can take a long time to finish and they do not want to go through the same ordeal again. I get that and totally understand. They tell some of their friends and the friends refuse to go with me. I had trouble with a few girls and the friends believe her of course. Two (maybe more) yelled out I wanted thin with big boobs so that is demeaning and embarrassing so the girls hide like in New Medika happened to me. Some see me butterfly and refuse to see me again and the list goes on. Several I rejected because they never smiled or made eye contact. No words needed. I can read the signs.

Some guys say all the girls go no condom. BS. I have had several street girls and many spa girls demand it. In fact, there is a bar that demands it. Kota Indah 'V Four Club' nearest the entrance to the complex with door facing the street. Go to pay for the girl and the mamasan and female boss both say "cap" to me. What is that? That is their word for condom. Never heard that used anywhere else. Took another girl the next day and two of the mamasan types say "cap" to me again. I never tried to not use the condom so I do not know if the girl would let me or not. But if they are saying it to me twice each visit then they surely have most of the girls trained.

Some guys say the mamasans are so helpful. BS. Pay attention. Best seen at Kota Indah bars where the girls sit 6 deep. The mamas always grab the girls sitting at the customer tables or the closest girls meaning the first 1-3 deep. Never had them pull a girl from the back sitting at position 4, 5, or 6 in the very back.

Mama Cha Cha told me the girl I wanted to repeat with would be there at 4:00 the next day. Walked in at 4:10 to give her a few more minutes. Excuse is the girl is putting on her makeup. I said great I hate all the makeup. She can put it on after we are done. Mama says she is not ready and does not want to come out not looking pretty. I told her she (the mama) is lying. Now the story is the girl is at the salon. I was pissed and let her know it. Took a girl from a different mama.

[QUOTE]LoveItHere69.[/QUOTE]Thank you for all the research and honest report.

What day of the week were you at Kepala Gading? Wondering if some nights close later than others.

Landing around August 18.

PM me if anybody wants to meet up.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2935674]Zippos, check again please. IDR1,500,000 is $93 and not $930 unless you wanted to type IDR 15,000,000 and made an error. If its just $93 I am game.[/QUOTE]The fee for the Multiple Visa is IDR 15,000,000 (15 Million).

~BKK

I definitely missed Zeros somewhere down the line 😁. Here the is screenshot.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2935674]Zippos, check again please. IDR1,500,000 is $93 and not $930 unless you wanted to type IDR 15,000,000 and made an error. If it’s just $93 I am game.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2935754](nNrth side).

Glow Spa 500 k 1 hour.

Across from Travel Hotel. Opened early June and I went there late June. I walked into the entrance room 1.5 m x 1.5 m with a desk and 3-4 guys standing there making it very small. I did not like that. They have a list of 5-6 offerings (HJ, BJ, sex.). But I can get 2 girls for that across the street so I walked out.

Mari Enjoy 300 k 13 girls.

Three streets north of Burger King. Across from Paragon Mall. You are on the correct street when you turn around and see Abuba Steak sign across the street. Bar is on your left. Someone will greet you outside most times. Place is a dump. 1 towel. No tissue to clean up. I took a nice 5 foot girl there, an Oriental face tall girl who had baby damage but firm boobs and laughed a lot, and one other. They get up from sitting rather slowly so I thought they did not want me, but in the room they were fine. All 3 either liked sex or were great actresses that was the thing for me. It was like they had not had any for a while. There is a massage place just past it is just a massage place. The karaoke across is just a karaoke place..[/QUOTE]Thanks for those new places, I didn't ever go to Pondok Indah and places close to Taruma Hospital. It will change from Classic, Travel and KI.

In Kelapa Gading, I recommend you Blow Art where you get blow without condom, not the hottest girls, but cool girls, and very good experience! It is just so far away.

Arrived 10 pm Thurs night. It's just one small room with loud music bumping, 15-20 girls sitting on a bench on one side and a few large booths across from them. There were a few large groups and dudes just lined up on the remaining wall bench space. Had a junior high school dance feel with all the girls on one side and the dudes on the other and nobody dancing yet. I repeated with a girl from last year so didn't have to stand on the sidelines to check out the talent. Quality of girls are nice but I would come early as it's not conducive to sit and hang if busy since it is a small spot. Session includes massage first, rooms are decent, 450 k.

You will be surprised to see the atmosphere hasn't changed when returning next year. Even local Jakartan struggled sometimes. If you are drinking, watch what you are paying for! I guess only reason they are still in business is a good percentage of 7/8 standard girls and it's more of a pub setup for you to eat drink and have fun with the companion of a pretty girl. And yes, you are paying for the time.

Sumo definitely offers full meal deal considering you get there noon to evening. I guess any later than that, their girls status goes to "Battery about to die ".

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2935754](nNrth side).


New Medika 400 k 35 girls.

Next street over closer to the hospital. Two entrances. One entrance across from Indramaret. The second on the back side which has the girls. It was two rooms connected with a hallway. Mamasan approaches me and I tell her what I want. She shows me the 2 girls closest to us. They were ok. I might have taken one but I said no because I am pissed off on how they just grab the first girl rather than what I asked for. She then yells out I want thin with big boobs which of course makes them shy. I walk away and look down the rows of girls. I see 2 with big boobs. Not sure if skinny or not. They are hiding form me. I make eye contact but they are shy now from the big mouth mamasan or just not interested. Wonderful damn start. I walk into the far room and sit down for 15 minutes to watch a few girls walk by. They show no interest and no mamasans come to talk to me so I leave.

I will return again next year on a Saturday night at 8:00 pm and see what happens.


Sumo Spa told me no girls for fun, only massage. I do not believe.


Please do not tell long yellow fruit child I am here! Just kidding. I am not here.[/QUOTE]

Returning the favor to those that provided field reports.

Visa.

I tried several times to obtain the evisa but could not figure out how to pay. So arrived at CGK with no evisa and expected to wait one hour in the VOA line. It took about 8 minutes and I had my visa. Don't forget to follow up by scanning the QR code. You'll know what I mean when you arrive.

Grab / Taxi.

I read a recent post about finding Grab past the "Bluebird stand. " I had no idea what is Bluebird so I found a taxi stand outside. 360,000 to my hotel in Central. Not a bad price. I then realized I was at the Bluebird stand LOL.

Hotel.

I checked into the Luminor Pecengognongogngognognnananan about 2 hours from deplaning. I saw a massage services sign in the lobby. Checked into my room and showered and then called for massage.

15 min later, knocking on my door. I expected a granny but was surprised to find a pretty 30's lady. I could tell her ass was about 10 pounds heavy. The massage was very good. Then she offered an HJ. I overpaid because I let the little head do the thinking.

Emporium.

After my massage I went to Emporium. It is literally next door to Luminor. I was introduced to David and he had me take a seat and sat with me to discuss what I liked. There were about 10 girls each for the 1. 2 and 1. 4 groups. I really could not tell the difference. I selected a thin and beautiful girl.

Locker. Pool. Then off to a room. Fun times!

I noticed: They have a very large staff. They are very organized. The facilities are very clean. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

Tinder.

Later that night, Tinder1 arrived at my hotel for an overnight. She was tight! I needed a running start to bottom out my nuts. Sweet girl. I may see her again.

Saturday, met up with Tinder2. Age 22 but later when naked, her body looked older. If you take away the fake lashes, fake dyed hair, lipstick, etc, I think she was probably a 5.

Then I followed up with Tinder3. I thought it was strange she messaged me on Tinder and asked if I want a massage. I should have gone with my instincts and deleted her but the little head told me otherwise.

Then I thought it was strange that she asked for my name and room number instead of accepting my offer to meet her outside the hotel. Little head, again.

She texted me and said she was waiting in the lobby in front of the elevators. She wore a mask. Told her remove mask. Catfish! She said she was with an agency and then called them. I needed her to leave and I needed to avoid getting stabbed so I gave her some IDR and told her bye bye.

Then later I get a whatsapp from a "girl" that texted "Hi. Do you remember me?" Her whatsapp name is "Massage Traditional. " I replied "how did we meet?" She wrote back and said she saw my Tinder location was Jakarta. It must have been same scamming agency! So I blocked that a-hole.

The End.

I went back about 100 pages but the info I needed was not cut and dry. I was wondering if one of you kind gents could answer a question for me please. When it comes to Hotel Classic or the massage places and the like, is it possible to pay for all the services by card or better yet a mobile wallet app? Minus tips of course being in cash.

Considering the low amounts you can withdraw per transaction, I want to minimize my trips to the ATM.

Classic, Emporium, KC, MTR, 1001, Malio all takes cards. I remember seeing card options in other places like Kimochi, Groovy, Orchid too but I wouldn't use my card in Kota Indah or similar type places. You are better off using Visa instead MC / Amex. Go with Google Pay if you have that option. Unfortunately no Apple Pay available in Indonesia yet.

Don't just handout the card to hostess / receptionist. Ask to hand over the machine itself so that you can do the swipe or insert.

[QUOTE=TrueGent;2936498]I went back about 100 pages but the info I needed was not cut and dry. I was wondering if one of you kind gents could answer a question for me please. When it comes to Hotel Classic or the massage places and the like, is it possible to pay for all the services by card or better yet a mobile wallet app? Minus tips of course being in cash.

Considering the low amounts you can withdraw per transaction, I want to minimize my trips to the ATM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2932308]Or you could just get an account with Charles Schwab or Fidelity Cash Management (which reimburse all foreign ATM fees) and use that card to withdraw IDR at ATMs in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]To follow up on some of the ATM options, HSBC across and down from Grand Paragon Mall allowed 3 million withdrawal with US $2. 50 fee and no conversion. I suspect it might even allow a larger withdrawal if you have any HSBC affiliated account. It's about 10 minute walk from HI hotel.

[QUOTE=TempStories;2931331]Does anyone know from what time of the day are there enough girls here for a visit?[/QUOTE]A few guys already replied to this post, and loads of reports have covered Classic in detail, but from discussion several weeks ago it seems that there was still some confusion about specific names, times, and locations of the different Classic venues. The photo below is from the listing just inside the hotel lobby. I suspect most guys don't have any reason to venture to that back entrance unless they stay at the hotel. I popped the pic at 1 pm on an early Aug weekday and everything was absolutely empty. All the guards were saying come back after 2. There were a few hungry looking mongers seated about in different lobby spots, but cafes weren't even open yet.

The second pic below was a very small sign on the reception desk laying out Classic Spa prices.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2936431]Returning the favor to those that provided field reports.

Visa.

I tried several times to obtain the evisa but could not figure out how to pay. So arrived at CGK with no evisa and expected to wait one hour in the VOA line. It took about 8 minutes and I had my visa. Don't forget to follow up by scanning the QR code. You'll know what I mean when you arrive.

Grab / Taxi.

I read a recent post about finding Grab past the "Bluebird stand. " I had no idea what is Bluebird so I found a taxi stand outside. 360,000 to my hotel in Central. Not a bad price. I then realized I was at the Bluebird stand LOL.[/QUOTE]I guess the eVOA lines vary according to airline arrival traffic. They seem to arrive in batches at different times and on different days. The night I arrive I was surprised to see so many midnight arriving flights. I wasnt even sure anything would be open at that time, but much of the airport operated as usual after midnight. The eVOA was horribly long when I saw it. Glad you didn't need to wait.

Yeah the Bluebird stand is the Bluebird taxi. Its the first thing you see out of the exit. I think they use meters, 360 k seems a bit expensive. Its only around 200 k to HI with toll, give or take 20 k, and even though Luminor is a little farther than HI, it should only be an extra 30-40 k. So maybe its worth walking an extra minute down to Grab to get a lower price, but I'm not sure about that.

[QUOTE=TrueGent;2936498]I went back about 100 pages but the info I needed was not cut and dry. I was wondering if one of you kind gents could answer a question for me please. When it comes to Hotel Classic or the massage places and the like, is it possible to pay for all the services by card or better yet a mobile wallet app? Minus tips of course being in cash.

Considering the low amounts you can withdraw per transaction, I want to minimize my trips to the ATM.[/QUOTE]Yes it is. Mamasan may prefer cash in Terminal but if you say you are out of cash and want to pay by card they will take you to the cashier to do that. In Classic Spa, Emporium etc the entire bill is settled at the end with your card or cash. Girls prefer tips in cash but will take them any which way. I've used my CC regularly and had no issues.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2936517]A few guys already replied to this post, and loads of reports have covered Classic in detail, but from discussion several weeks ago it seems that there was still some confusion about specific names, times, and locations of the different Classic venues. The photo below is from the listing just inside the hotel lobby. I suspect most guys don't have any reason to venture to that back entrance unless they stay at the hotel. I popped the pic at 1 pm on an early Aug weekday and everything was absolutely empty. All the guards were saying come back after 2. There were a few hungry looking mongers seated about in different lobby spots, but cafes weren't even open yet.

The second pic below was a very small sign on the reception desk laying out Classic Spa prices.[/QUOTE]Damn. There's more places on there than I was aware of! I guess I need to go through the posts again.

Many thanks.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2936431] I saw two old white guys walk in. I felt sorry for the girls they chose. Yuck!
.[/QUOTE]Nice report, but be careful what you write. There is a huge chance those are ISG members LOL. Yikes.

[QUOTE=MrMiyaG;2936532]Nice report, but be careful what you write. There is a huge chance those are ISG members LOL. Yikes.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Enjoyed the report but bad comment.

Jakarta really is a place that drains you out, not only arguably the best value punting in Asia but another post mentioned Tinder a few times. Girls are pretty direct, there are quite a lot of freebies to be had.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2936431]

I noticed: They have a very large staff. They are very organized. The facilities are very clean. I saw two old white guys walk in. I felt sorry for the girls they chose. Yuck!

[/QUOTE]Hopefully most of us will live to become old white / black / brown / yellow guys some day. You too my friend.

[QUOTE=TrueGent;2936498] When it comes to Hotel Classic or the massage places and the like, is it possible to pay for all the services by card or better yet a mobile wallet app? Minus tips of course being in cash.[/QUOTE]Card. Yes.

Mobile wallet? Maybe. Or maybe not.

This ended up way longer than planned due to minimum characters.

Hi Vendelo, so you had 3 sessions on the first day post landing. And similar number or one less if I can understand from your post. Right is it? I am not even mid 50's and lead a healthy lifestyle and eating habits and look 10 years young but the body does not give me the desired result; my refractory period is long. Daily basis, I cannot sustain it. Mind sharing your age as I do wish to hit at least 2 or 3 next time when I am there. My problem I know is that I need intimacy and not slam bang thank you maam kind of sessions. Am I missing something? I did not go to classic or any other similar kind of places on my 2 trips to this city, spent nearly 20 days in totality. Stuck with only Emporium, Tinder and a few pick ups from bars like Bat's and CJs.

I did go to Sariayu once, spent approximately 2 hours and had my drinks of whiskey there and paid by Credit card. The chick price also I could have paid by card but did not muster enough guts to choose a girl and fuck in their room upstairs. No one bothered and disturbed me as I was simply sitting on the sofa and enjoyed my drinks.

Regards.

[QUOTE=DevSagar;2936656]Hi Vendelo, so you had 3 sessions on the first day post landing. And similar number or one less if I can understand from your post. Right is it? I am not even mid 50's and lead a healthy lifestyle and eating habits and look 10 years young but the body does not give me the desired result; my refractory period is long. Daily basis, I cannot sustain it. Mind sharing your age as I do wish to hit at least 2 or 3 next time when I am there. My problem I know is that I need intimacy and not slam bang thank you maam kind of sessions. Am I missing something? I did not go to classic or any other similar kind of places on my 2 trips to this city, spent nearly 20 days in totality. Stuck with only Emporium, Tinder and a few pick ups from bars like Bat's and CJs.

I did go to Sariayu once, spent approximately 2 hours and had my drinks of whiskey there and paid by Credit card. The chick price also I could have paid by card but did not muster enough guts to choose a girl and fuck in their room upstairs. No one bothered and disturbed me as I was simply sitting on the sofa and enjoyed my drinks.

Regards.[/QUOTE]DS, I will send you a PM.

Update for what it is worth:

Tinder: This is my first time using Tinder. Indo girls will reply unlike Thai girls on TF. BUT! They are unreliable. You will be messaging a girl back and forth for a few minutes and then she disappears for days (as described recently by another poster). Be cautious, I was engaged by two Catfish. The sign: she will ask you right away if you want a massage and provide her WA. Ask her to vchat and I guarantee she will never contact you again.

Bakso: Evidently, bakso is a meatball dish you must try. Five! People have told me to eat Bakso and to visit Bali.

ATM: Previous poster was correct when he wrote ATM max withdrawal in 2,000,000.

Sidewalks: Prev poster was correct. Expect to sprain ankles and get run over.

Hello Honorable Gents.

Thanks for all the advice shared on this forum. I've done my RTFF over 100-200 pages and it helped get me ready for Jakarta touchdown. Even with all the info, there are still some things that creep up. I have a comment and question for those of you who have been posting about your Jakarta mobile app hookups in recent months.

Like some of you, even with all the cheap and accessible girls at the bars and spas in Jakarta, the wham bam thing isn't my first choice. ID prefer go go bars, but theyre not available here and going out of style. I'm old fashioned and would rather chat up girls at wild loud music bars, but those are nearly extinct too. Even though I f'ing hate texting, online meetups are more interesting for me for banging out 2-3 shots over a longer term session.

I've been hooking up with with civvie and PPM girls via mobile apps (Tdr / Wechat / TF) around Asia since they came out around a decade ago. It's bagged me some amazing freebie / WG Asian pussy in varying flavors, but it has not come without its risks, especially for WGs. I've had encounters that I barely squeezed out of: swarms of catfish; girls agreeing to one price upfront then changing the terms & conditions / price back at the room (even when naked); fights over paying before or after the deed; pre- and post-op LB shocks; runners, you name it.

Even as all the great sex has fed the addiction, the frequent bad experiences have really made me paranoid about taking strangers to my room. I now screen pretty heavily, insisting on video call first and then meeting nearby hotel for a 2nd check of the goods, still cautious until we get down to biz.

My comment is that in Jakarta, you get blasted with matches. On tdr, I limited my search to 18-27 yo within 5 miles and got 175 matches in 3 days. Around 25 of those pinged me immediately sending / asking for whatsapp and offering to come to my room. Same with MiChat People Around Me I couldn't even keep up with all of them. One whatsapp girl just flat out told me "I'm coming to your hotel" before I even said anything (I told her no and blocked). As Vendelo mentioned, requesting video calls will make most disappear. For me, once on whatsapp I requested video calls and all but 2 went silent. Of those 2, I had 1 good video call with potential freebie but she was a bit chubby for my taste, and another who just gave me visual but no audio then hung up. I blocked her because I insist on hearing voice in case of LB. (In PH there were LBs trying to fake a high pitched girls voice on the video call, fucking joke.).

Based on all the successful reports from bros doing mobile app mongering in this forum, the risks don't seem to be as high in Jakarta as in places like PH or TH, and even with all the catfish, there seems to be a pretty good balance between risk and return in Jakarta.

My questions:

- Specifically, a big question with pulling mobile FLs and WGs in many countries is when to pay? Business practices vary widely from place to place and can cause major probs. Of course I aint going to send any digital money and will only give tip at the end, but what is standard MO in Jakarta for cash transaction: to pay when she enters the room or when she leaves? I presume all payment is made just as she leaves, but I want to hear it from you fuckers mouths. And for the guys who will want to boast "I never pay up front anywhere", we all know its more complicated than that, so ID appreciate some practical advice here. I don't do much PM so preferably on discussion forum.

- And in general, would you guys who have done Tdr / Bumbl / Michat hookups in Jakarta say that risk level is lower for really bad shit happening than in TH / PH, or do you still need airtight security?

Thanks for advice men.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2936679]ATM: Previous poster was correct when he wrote ATM max withdrawal in 2,000,000.[/QUOTE]Was told by my friend who lives there that ATM's at the malls for certain banks usually allow you to take out more money.

Looked at some old bank receipts. In early 2024 I took out 3,000,000 From CIMB Niaga in the Harris Vertu Harmoni mall. In summer, 2024 took out 2,500,000 from BCA at Grand Indonesia mall.

No big deal even if it's 2,000,000 max you can do multiple transactions consecutively to load up like I do.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2936516]HSBC across and down from Grand Paragon Mall allowed 3 million withdrawal with US $2. 50 fee and no conversion. [/QUOTE]

Good to know. Thanks. Convenient for those who stay at Santika which seems popular here.

Here is my SOP for meeting FL / Tinder / Bumble / Cupid / Badoo.

1. Find out what is she offering and if she is expecting any money in exchange if so, how much.

2. Do a video call is a must. I used to give out my main WhatsApp number before but ended up finding spammers. Now a days I would open second WhatsApp with local number and only give that one. Also, I prefer telegram over WhatsApp. Easy to manage. Any girl who would not want to show herself full on video and speak, that's a catfish, Simple. If she says, she is shy, well good for you, find a different trade.

3. Definitely meet in a public place such as mall. Excuse is to grab a bite. More options for you to ditch that girl if that's not what you were expecting. Yeah, on occasions some might cause a racket, just walk away. Also, you can bring them to your hotel lobby if you are comfortable with the video chat. I simply never give room number despite they pull the "security" card.

4. I always make an agreement of payment at end of the session with an option of tips if good service is provided. "If you are expecting a payment upon entering the room, please don't come", that's my simple answer. Some might say, I don't have money to book a grab, simple solution is, either you book it for them or pay grab driver once she arrives but do check / ask how much would the fair.

5. Needless to say, keep your valuables in safe and don't have a stack of cash handy for her to pull any stunts. Just enough to pay her and some tips money just to keep her motivated.

Comparison: I find Indo risk factor is definitely lower than PH / TH / Malaysia. I have had many surprises in TH / PH. TH girls are not necessarily a scammer but more tricky with a percentage of being LB. PH are pure scammers with an odd percentage being real. I once told a LB, why impersonate as a woman and turn into a chaos, he / she answered, because they have needs and most cases people would pay just to get rid of them! I guess it works for them. In respect to airtight security, never let your guard down, doesn't matter if you are meeting the same person for 3rd time. Always keep your cellphone with you even if you are going to the washroom.

Often these girls would say, she is hungry and didn't eat anything. Game is to waste more of your time and money. Happened to me many times. My simple answer is, I have some leftovers or cookies or whatever I have and you can eat it. If she complains about the food, well "I am not a restaurant and you can have if you don't have energy to perform". 90% of the time this will solve the problem.

Another scenario is, girl would give you an impression of liking you a lot and would like to stay lover / overnight with you! Solution one, you are feeling sick / exhausted and you want to sleep peacefully and you will meet her again tomorrow. Solution 2, clearly get your expectations and number straightened out before accepting her offer. Now, some may say they really like you and won't need anything! Not saying it never happens but treat it as "too good to be true" and simply quote a number that you are comfortable with and clearly tell her that, you only have that much to give her in the morning as Taxi money. I had a girl insisted of going to ATM / money exchange to give her remaining, I simply told her let's go eat something and once out of my place in a mall, I simply told her to meet on a later time as I'm not feeling well and just walk away.

Hope these helps.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2936746]Hello Honorable Gents.

My questions:

- Specifically, a big question with pulling mobile FLs and WGs in many countries is when to pay? Business practices vary widely from place to place and can cause major probs. Of course I aint going to send any digital money and will only give tip at the end, but what is standard MO in Jakarta for cash transaction: to pay when she enters the room or when she leaves? I presume all payment is made just as she leaves, but I want to hear it from you fuckers mouths. And for the guys who will want to boast "I never pay up front anywhere", we all know its more complicated than that, so ID appreciate some practical advice here. I don't do much PM so preferably on discussion forum.

- And in general, would you guys who have done Tdr / Bumbl / Michat hookups in Jakarta say that risk level is lower for really bad shit happening than in TH / PH, or do you still need airtight security?

Thanks for advice men.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Volterra;2936746]My questions:

- Specifically, a big question with pulling mobile FLs and WGs in many countries is when to pay? Business practices vary widely from place to place and can cause major probs. Of course I aint going to send any digital money and will only give tip at the end, but what is standard MO in Jakarta for cash transaction: to pay when she enters the room or when she leaves? I presume all payment is made just as she leaves, but I want to hear it from you fuckers mouths. And for the guys who will want to boast "I never pay up front anywhere", we all know its more complicated than that, so ID appreciate some practical advice here. I don't do much PM so preferably on discussion forum.

- And in general, would you guys who have done Tdr / Bumbl / Michat hookups in Jakarta say that risk level is lower for really bad shit happening than in TH / PH, or do you still need airtight security?

Thanks for advice men.[/QUOTE]If you truly have been playing the game in Asia as you say, you should know that you always pay after. If the girl asks for money up front worst case she's a total scammer and best case is she's a hardened pro. A true civvy will not mention any kind of money and will not even look at how much you hand her or discretely place in her purse. A decent FL will also accept payment after the deed but will discuss the price upfront. But honestly, why go all the way to Jakarta to just sit and scroll on a phone and hope for the best? The bars and brothels and Spas have thousands of girls you can actually see, talk to, touch and assess before turning over your $30 to go fuck them. You are missing the best of the city but to each their own. I would use Tinder etc strictly for non pros and on site venues for paid fucks. But to each their own I suppose.

I'd say Jakarta is even more like the Wild West than Bangkok but in reality it's pretty fine. You are much more likely to get run over than anything else bad happen to you in all honesty.

There are many Muslim girls who are wanting some fun, as they can only marry Muslim but can date anyone. Which kinda opens up the door for flings. On the downside typically out of every 100 girls I would swipe Left on probably 90% of them, I'm not super fussy but I do like an athletic build and vast majority do not have anything like that shape. But I also got quite a few matches with those that did.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2936746]
My comment is that in Jakarta, you get blasted with matches. On tdr, I limited my search to 18-27 yo within 5 miles and got 175 matches in 3 days. Around 25 of those pinged me immediately sending / asking for whatsapp and offering to come to my room. Same with MiChat People Around Me I couldn't even keep up with all of them. One whatsapp girl just flat out told me "I'm coming to your hotel" before I even said anything (I told her no and blocked). As Vendelo mentioned, requesting video calls will make most disappear. For me, once on whatsapp I requested video calls and all but 2 went silent. Of those 2, I had 1 good video call with potential freebie but she was a bit chubby for my taste, and another who just gave me visual but no audio then hung up. I blocked her because I insist on hearing voice in case of LB. (In PH there were LBs trying to fake a high pitched girls voice on the video call, fucking joke.).
[/QUOTE]Wow, you must be one handsome devil. I didn't count the number of matches I got during my four-five days, but I don't think it was much above 20, which is rather good for ugly me.

Of those I think only 3-4 were p4 p girls, who I did not engage with. Two I met. One at a shopping mall (first time I went away from my hotel area during my stay, so though that was interesting enough), where we walked to a coffee shop and had some cake. Spent an hour together I guess, but she was immune to my charm and did not go back with me. One turned up at my hotel before work, rather ready to bang.

The rest of the matches just fizzled out. One actually messaged me some days ago, one week after I last messaged her. No idea what she's thinking, but I'm thinking I'll just keep those matches on my phone, unless they unmatch me. If I visit Thailand and Jakarta again in December, I'll just message them again like half a year did not pass between my message and their message.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2936746]

My questions:

- Specifically, a big question with pulling mobile FLs and WGs in many countries is when to pay? Business practices vary widely from place to place and can cause major probs. Of course I aint going to send any digital money and will only give tip at the end, but what is standard MO in Jakarta for cash transaction: to pay when she enters the room or when she leaves? I presume all payment is made just as she leaves, but I want to hear it from you fuckers mouths. And for the guys who will want to boast "I never pay up front anywhere", we all know its more complicated than that, so ID appreciate some practical advice here. I don't do much PM so preferably on discussion forum.

- And in general, would you guys who have done Tdr / Bumbl / Michat hookups in Jakarta say that risk level is lower for really bad shit happening than in TH / PH, or do you still need airtight security?

Thanks for advice men.[/QUOTE]I have mongered asia, USA, mexico, ukraine.

Only a few times has the girl asked to be paid upfront. And yes, I paid upfront and was not ripped off.

Its my first time to Jakarta and day 1 was quite amazing.

Landed early at 7. 45, EOAV was quite quick, it took only three minutes to clear it and waited a bit to catch the Crab taxi to the Redtop hotel. Since its early, the room will be ready after 12. I decided to take the massage from the hotel. Went to the 5th floor and picked a girl who is quite tall compared to any local ones. They have converted a few rooms for massage. I waited in the room, she came and straight asked me any services do you want I said except sex. Where I was just landed thought to relax a bit to hold my energy for the evening. After a negotiation agreed 400 k one HJ and one solid BJ. She went outside and come back undressed and huddle for a few minutes, she was asking me to fuck for the same price, but I was not in a mood. After a few minutes HJ done in a standing position I like that. Then right after washed and started sucking my boy for a few minutes with various techniques, almost 10-12 minutes she was tired took a break and started again finally with some techniques she used on my balls and I cum in her mouth. She was shocked and didn't say anything. Paid the counter 350 k. Its bit expensive but I want to cover the time. Came down the room was ready.

I went to Classic hotel around 7 pm. They said only on 2nd floor. There were two girls sitting opposite to each other before entering the room. On the right side the girl put some robe with a number on my hand Then entered, a few old women came to me and try to impress with their girls. One of the women brought two young girls to my table without any questions. I liked both of them from the group. She quoted 500 k for both and its my long wish to spend time with two girls I decided to go with that option. Paid the fees and both of the grils took me to the basement one of the rooms. Angie and Abel (not sure real names) Angie have a baby and Able was 19 years old and has a tight pussy, it took me a few minutes to insert my dick to her. Undressed and one by one showered with me. Then came to the bed try to interact but couldn't be due to communication challenges. Angie was set the plan, First Able (young one) will suck my dick and Angie will suck my nipples to create mood then I fuck Abel and the change the position for the second round. Abel was started sucking my dick (my third time release) after a few minutes she put a condom (I insisted) and the came on top. Her pussy was tight, and it took a lot of challenges and put enough of gel on her and finally somewhat I inserted she was riding on top and other side Angie was sucking my nippes after a few minutes I came in her. Cleaned again and came to the bed and rested for a minute and the second round started with Angie, I decided to give a full BJ with her mouth if she can. She started sucking my balls and then dick, Abel was sucking my nipples and my hands were on Abel's body allover, After a solid 10 minutes she was tired and gave up, I asked Abel to swap and she cleaned my dick with wet tissue and started sucking for a while and went a below than my balls and I decided to fuck her again, put a condom and started doggy for a few minutes and removed the condom and put my dick to Angie's mouth who was watching us fucking, and cum in her mouth giving HJ to myself. Entire session took almost 50 minutes and gave some tips and left the room happily. The I went to counter paid the bills and got a boarding pass (yes boarding pass) to go out.

If you have two right girls and threesome is just magic It happened to me and they were requested to come again today.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2936802]If you truly have been playing the game in Asia as you say, you should know that you always pay after. If the girl asks for money up front worst case she's a total scammer and best case is she's a hardened pro. A true civvy will not mention any kind of money and will not even look at how much you hand her or discretely place in her purse. A decent FL will also accept payment after the deed but will discuss the price upfront. But honestly, why go all the way to Jakarta to just sit and scroll on a phone and hope for the best? The bars and brothels and Spas have thousands of girls you can actually see, talk to, touch and assess before turning over your $30 to go fuck them. You are missing the best of the city but to each their own. I would use Tinder etc strictly for non pros and on site venues for paid fucks. But to each their own I suppose.[/QUOTE]Another reason why a girl may ask for payment first is she may have been ripped off in the past. I've heard / read numerous stories like this.

You sir is a master gambler. I envy your luck. Me on the other hand got ripped of several times on my beginners sexpedition stage that led me to draw a conclusion of not worth the risk despite how small the amount is.

Nonetheless happy for you.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2936865]I have mongered asia, USA, mexico, ukraine.

Only a few times has the girl asked to be paid upfront. And yes, I paid upfront and was not ripped off.[/QUOTE]

Finally another positive report on Classic. Glad you enjoyed your session and luck was definitely on your side. Have fun on your remaining days.

[QUOTE=KennyWu;2936882]Its my first time to Jakarta and day 1 was quite amazing.

Landed early at 7. 45, EOAV was quite quick, it took only three minutes to clear it and waited a bit to catch the Crab taxi to the Redtop hotel. Since its early, the room will be ready after 12. I decided to take the massage from the hotel. Went to the 5th floor and picked a girl who is quite tall compared to any local ones. They have converted a few rooms for massage. I waited in the room, she came and straight asked me any services do you want I said except sex. Where I was just landed thought to relax a bit to hold my energy for the evening. After a negotiation agreed 400 k one HJ and one solid BJ. She went outside and come back undressed and huddle for a few minutes, she was asking me to fuck for the same price, but I was not in a mood. After a few minutes HJ done in a standing position I like that. Then right after washed and started sucking my boy for a few minutes with various techniques, almost 10-12 minutes she was tired took a break and started again finally with some techniques she used on my balls and I cum in her mouth. She was shocked and didn't say anything. Paid the counter 350 k. Its bit expensive but I want to cover the time. Came down the room was ready.

I went to Classic hotel around 7 pm. They said only on 2nd floor. There were two girls sitting opposite to each other before entering the room. On the right side the girl put some robe with a number on my hand Then entered, a few old women came to me and try to impress with their girls. One of the women brought two young girls to my table without any questions. I liked both of them from the group. She quoted 500 k for both and its my long wish to spend time with two girls I decided to go with that option. Paid the fees and both of the grils took me to the basement one of the rooms. Angie and Abel (not sure real names) Angie have a baby and Able was 19 years old and has a tight pussy, it took me a few minutes to insert my dick to her. Undressed and one by one showered with me. Then came to the bed try to interact but couldn't be due to communication challenges. Angie was set the plan, First Able (young one) will suck my dick and Angie will suck my nipples to create mood then I fuck Abel and the change the position for the second round. Abel was started sucking my dick (my third time release) after a few minutes she put a condom (I insisted) and the came on top. Her pussy was tight, and it took a lot of challenges and put enough of gel on her and finally somewhat I inserted she was riding on top and other side Angie was sucking my nippes after a few minutes I came in her. Cleaned again and came to the bed and rested for a minute and the second round started with Angie, I decided to give a full BJ with her mouth if she can. She started sucking my balls and then dick, Abel was sucking my nipples and my hands were on Abel's body allover, After a solid 10 minutes she was tired and gave up, I asked Abel to swap and she cleaned my dick with wet tissue and started sucking for a while and went a below than my balls and I decided to fuck her again, put a condom and started doggy for a few minutes and removed the condom and put my dick to Angie's mouth who was watching us fucking, and cum in her mouth giving HJ to myself. Entire session took almost 50 minutes and gave some tips and left the room happily. The I went to counter paid the bills and got a boarding pass (yes boarding pass) to go out.

If you have two right girls and threesome is just magic It happened to me and they were requested to come again today.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zippos;2936774]Here is my SOP for meeting FL / Tinder / Bumble / Cupid / Badoo.

1. Find out what is she offering and if she is expecting any money in exchange if so, how much.

2. Do a video call is a must. I used to give out my main WhatsApp number before but ended up finding spammers. Now a days I would open second WhatsApp with local number and only give that one. Also, I prefer telegram over WhatsApp. Easy to manage. Any girl who would not want to show herself full on video and speak, that's a catfish, Simple. If she says, she is shy, well good for you, find a different trade.

3. Definitely meet in a public place such as mall. Excuse is to grab a bite. More options for you to ditch that girl if that's not what you were expecting. Yeah, on occasions some might cause a racket, just walk away. Also, you can bring them to your hotel lobby if you are comfortable with the video chat. I simply never give room number despite they pull the "security" card.

4. I always make an agreement of payment at end of the session with an option of tips if good service is provided. "If you are expecting a payment upon entering the room, please don't come", that's my simple answer. Some might say, I don't have money to book a grab, simple solution is, either you book it for them or pay grab driver once she arrives but do check / ask how much would the fair.

5. Needless to say, keep your valuables in safe and don't have a stack of cash handy for her to pull any stunts. Just enough to pay her and some tips money just to keep her motivated.

Comparison: I find Indo risk factor is definitely lower than PH / TH / Malaysia. I have had many surprises in TH / PH. TH girls are not necessarily a scammer but more tricky with a percentage of being LB. PH are pure scammers with an odd percentage being real. I once told a LB, why impersonate as a woman and turn into a chaos, he / she answered, because they have needs and most cases people would pay just to get rid of them! I guess it works for them. In respect to airtight security, never let your guard down, doesn't matter if you are meeting the same person for 3rd time. Always keep your cellphone with you even if you are going to the washroom.

Often these girls would say, she is hungry and didn't eat anything. Game is to waste more of your time and money. Happened to me many times. My simple answer is, I have some leftovers or cookies or whatever I have and you can eat it. If she complains about the food, well "I am not a restaurant and you can have if you don't have energy to perform". 90% of the time this will solve the problem.

Another scenario is, girl would give you an impression of liking you a lot and would like to stay lover / overnight with you! Solution one, you are feeling sick / exhausted and you want to sleep peacefully and you will meet her again tomorrow. Solution 2, clearly get your expectations and number straightened out before accepting her offer. Now, some may say they really like you and won't need anything! Not saying it never happens but treat it as "too good to be true" and simply quote a number that you are comfortable with and clearly tell her that, you only have that much to give her in the morning as Taxi money. I had a girl insisted of going to ATM / money exchange to give her remaining, I simply told her let's go eat something and once out of my place in a mall, I simply told her to meet on a later time as I'm not feeling well and just walk away.

Hope these helps.[/QUOTE]Excellent strategy, Z. Thanks for closely reading my post and to you & other bros for replying. Different Asian destinations have different mixes of civvie-WG culture With so many different mongering tastes / experiences and unpredictability of FL behavior from country to country, its useful to have a SOP like this that's tailored to Jakarta. I think I blew a couple good Tdr freebie opportunities in Jakarta this month because I went overboard on security measures. Shit.

Like Z & V show in the last couple posts, its not as simple as just saying that you should always pay afterwards. Its really more that even though you know you should pay after, a lot of the FLs are not as decent as they should be. V mentions that some girls may have been ripped off in the past. This is the #1 reason they give me when they ask for money up front. For some its true and others it's a BS excuse for them to rip me off. So then what the fuck do you do when they don't want to leave quietly and won't accept anything less than the extorted amount, now without sex? I'm glad for you guys that never faced such a situation in any of your Asian adventures and hope you never do.

In addition to strategy, some guys must have good fortune, charm, or some kind of natural skill and agreeable manner in person or online. I have none of that. Werqweq, I'm just an average mid 50 ish looking guy starting to slouch. I don't even have a profile pic on MiChat. But I spent a few $ for a 30 minute Tdr boost during evening rush hour, so that must have put my profile to the front of the line in Jakarta. I just swiped right on everything that wasn't obvious LB or chubby, so I guess a few bucks paid off. But of the 175, only about 25 really looked good and most of them probably photoshopped.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2936968] So then what the fuck do you do when they don't want to leave quietly and won't accept anything less than the extorted amount, now without sex? I'm glad for you guys that never faced such a situation in any of your Asian adventures and hope you never do.
[/QUOTE]I have fortunately never experienced that, but if I did, I would call reception and ask them to send security. Tell them there is a person in your room that refuses to leave.

Sorry to hear you may have lost some regular girls that just wanted to get laid due to being perhaps overly paranoid. Assuming it's a proper hotel, I wouldn't particularly worry about meeting anyone downstairs in the lobby, sans any possible embarrassment. If it there turned out to be a ladyboy or something else strange I'd either just go alone back to the elevator, or if the creature decided to follow me, up to security and say the person is following me. That is a very real benefit of a hotel vs an airbnb rental, and is what I would have done if the girl who came to my Redtop hotel (the hijab girl, though not dressed in hijab when she arrived at my hotel) had turned out to be something strange.

A much bigger problem is that most regular girls aren't all that interested in meeting a guy for the first time at his hotel, though in my life I have experienced many exceptions, including a really hot 24 year old nurse babe last year in Bangkok, with some of the prettiest boobs I've seen (I"m 49 BTW, though perhaps unlike you I enjoy exercise and keeping in shape, which does give me an advantage). Showed up outside my condo at midnight for the first time, and I kept on banging her twice a week for the remaining four or so weeks I had left in Thailand.

So: don't automatically rule out girls willing to come to your hotel for the first meeting, just be a extra vigilant and know that most, but not all girls, will not want to admit to themselves they are meeting a guy for what is obvious, without any doubt whatsoever, getting banged. Amongst those who do, there are probably more than a few scammers.
One key tell-sign is if they appear to be eager to come to your room/hotel/apartment. No regular girl will appear eager, possibly unless you look like Henry Cavill. Fortunately, with experience it gets easier to make a judgement, and I'd bang my head against the wall the rest of my life I'd knew I'd lost the chance to bang nursebabe twice a week due to being overly paranoid.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2936885]Another reason why a girl may ask for payment first is she may have been ripped off in the past. I've heard / read numerous stories like this.[/QUOTE]True, that. Sometimes it helps to show her the money, so she can see that yes, at least you have it ready for her.

Glad to be in assistance. Needless to say, you didn't blew any but it wasn't meat to happen. Simple is that.

Don't put your self in that corner alone. We all been subject of scam to a degree. If I start writing my list of griefs, it would fill up the entire page. We live and learn and evolve.

Next time a girl tells you she was ripped off in past, tell her, she can take a chance of meeting you in person or she can look for the next one. Ball is in her court. Even if she gets paid in advance, what's the guarantee of her not becoming a victim of force. They are in a profession by choice and risk comes with it. If she is at risk of losing her money, you are no different there either.

Lastly, you don't need special skills or charm when it comes to FL. For a non-pro local, you have the upper hand when they knows you are not just a regular horny man. Your biggest advantage is privacy and money that you are offering to them where locals can't.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2936968]Excellent strategy, Z. Thanks for closely reading my post and to you & other bros for replying. Different Asian destinations have different mixes of civvie-WG culture With so many different mongering tastes / experiences and unpredictability of FL behavior from country to country, its useful to have a SOP like this that's tailored to Jakarta. I think I blew a couple good Tdr freebie opportunities in Jakarta this month because I went overboard on security measures. Shit.

Like Z & V show in the last couple posts, its not as simple as just saying that you should always pay afterwards. Its really more that even though you know you should pay after, a lot of the FLs are not as decent as they should be. V mentions that some girls may have been ripped off in the past. This is the #1 reason they give me when they ask for money up front. For some its true and others it's a BS excuse for them to rip me off. So then what the fuck do you do when they don't want to leave quietly and won't accept anything less than the extorted amount, now without sex? I'm glad for you guys that never faced such a situation in any of your Asian adventures and hope you never do.

In addition to strategy, some guys must have good fortune, charm, or some kind of natural skill and agreeable manner in person or online. I have none of that. Werqweq, I'm just an average mid 50 ish looking guy starting to slouch. I don't even have a profile pic on MiChat. But I spent a few $ for a 30 minute Tdr boost during evening rush hour, so that must have put my profile to the front of the line in Jakarta. I just swiped right on everything that wasn't obvious LB or chubby, so I guess a few bucks paid off. But of the 175, only about 25 really looked good and most of them probably photoshopped.[/QUOTE]

I missed this part, if I may chime in werqweq.

Almost all the hotels would require you to get to the lobby to bring your guest up or if you insist, girl will be accompanied by security. As I said on my previous post, don't bother give them your room number. Tell her to msg you once she is in lobby or even better meet her at a public place.

Another trick I would use is sit on the couch next to front desk and tell front desk to call my room despite me being right there. If I intervene, no issues. If I don't, front desk will just have to say, sorry he is not in the room. A hateful text involving my mother is much more convenient to deal with instead of dealing with a LB aka creature (love the name W. Now, to many of you, this may sounds dramatic or too much of an hassle but it does gets entertaining once you spot the scammer. You aren't pulling that stunt on a normal girl.

This juggles the memory of my first visit in Manila. As always, I had lined up several girls plus backups. I think it was day 6/7 when my MILF left and I was bored out of my mind messaged my backup who was in Antipolo. She immediately responded saying she can't wait to me and she is on her way to manila right now which was almost midnight! As you all know, if it's too good to be true, it's mostly not true! I didn't respond to her right away but kept her waiting and did a video call, I guess she wasn't expecting that but at the same time eager to come over, answered my call, what I saw was a very pretty creature without much of a makeup and camera filter you can guess the rest.

Unless I have met the girl before, I never tell them my room number and don't meet them in my hotel. Always in a mall or a restaurant. Safer and easier to ditch them without causing any scene.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2937051]I have fortunately never experienced that, but if I did, I would call reception and ask them to send security. Tell them there is a person in your room that refuses to leave.

Sorry to hear you may have lost some regular girls that just wanted to get laid due to being perhaps overly paranoid. Assuming it's a proper hotel, I wouldn't particularly worry about meeting anyone downstairs in the lobby, sans any possible embarrassment. If it there turned out to be a ladyboy or something else strange I'd either just go alone back to the elevator, or if the creature decided to follow me, up to security and say the person is following me. That is a very real benefit of a hotel vs an airbnb rental, and is what I would have done if the girl who came to my Redtop hotel (the hijab girl, though not dressed in hijab when she arrived at my hotel) had turned out to be something strange.

A much bigger problem is that most regular girls aren't all that interested in meeting a guy for the first time at his hotel, though in my life I have experienced many exceptions, including a really hot 24 year old nurse babe last year in Bangkok, with some of the prettiest boobs I've seen (I"m 49 BTW, though perhaps unlike you I enjoy exercise and keeping in shape, which does give me an advantage). Showed up outside my condo at midnight for the first time, and I kept on banging her twice a week for the remaining four or so weeks I had left in Thailand.

So: don't automatically rule out girls willing to come to your hotel for the first meeting, just be a extra vigilant and know that most, but not all girls, will not want to admit to themselves they are meeting a guy for what is obvious, without any doubt whatsoever, getting banged. Amongst those who do, there are probably more than a few scammers.
One key tell-sign is if they appear to be eager to come to your room/hotel/apartment. No regular girl will appear eager, possibly unless you look like Henry Cavill. Fortunately, with experience it gets easier to make a judgement, and I'd bang my head against the wall the rest of my life I'd knew I'd lost the chance to bang nursebabe twice a week due to being overly paranoid.[/QUOTE]

I decided to go to Emporium hotel and connected to David, thanks one of the members shared his number. Its around 6 pm on Tuesday. Due to some party the pool was occupied. I sat with David and looking all the girls far from using binoculars After a few minutes selected a girl from 1. 4 range name Nelly (not sure how to pronounce) Got into the room. I would say all 1. 4 range grils are pretty compare to Classic. EMP is mostly for mid to high level customers and Classic is for low and local to hangout without using the girls. Also, EMP is cleaner and neater and no harassing by the folks. You sit and relax and find a girl to go to the room. So the cost is 1. 4 for one range that includes 90 minutes in the room with a girl that you can do twice cum I guess, I did that. 1. 2 grils are bit old its kind of Okayis compared to 1. 4. Threesome they are charging extra 250 k for bigger room. And there is a mandate tips of 200 k to the girls and the drinks are expensive and don't even drink from the room.

I guess enough of the details to visit. Once you paid they give a boarding pass to let you out.

In the room, we got in and she brush and cleaned herself. After a few minutes naked and laydown interacted a lot with translations app. She is tall around 5. 6 and good structure and big very big boobs I love those and almost 40 minutes my hands were there and she was insisting to suck her boobs continuously. She liked to have a French kiss I was bit hesitate and just a kiss. After 25 minutes sucking and huddling, she gave entrance BJ and missionary and doggy finished my first round. Washed and laydown again for the second round. After a few minutes, I insisted to give a BJ with CIM. It took a few minutes hard to give a full strength and then fucked her mouth, she was asking me to slow down and stopped, she took charge of giving deepthroat to finish and ended on her mouth. Its a great session and gave her tips and left the place.

Overall its a great experience. Next time will spend more time in EMP rather than Classic.

I became extremely bored of Angeles City really quickly. So decided to pop over to Jakarta for the first time in 5 years. VOA and Immigration were a breeze at midday. I would recommend filling out the customs form prior to departure and sending a screen capture of the QR code to your phone.

Booked 1 night in Classic Hotel. A bit run down but comfortable enough.

Went outside to the nearby BNI bank and had a pleasant surprise. I could only withdraw up to 1,200,000 per transaction in 100 k or 50 k notes, but was not asked about fees or exchange rates. After I took out 1. 2 I checked my bank and it was spot on the general Mastercard exchange rate. I am using a Starling Bank card so I don't know if it will be the same for everyone.

Popped into classic about 5:30. Same as described. I was expecting to be fighting off the mamasans, quite the opposite. When I came through the door the group just inside seemed to step towards me and then just stop or scatter. Strangest thing. I took a seat just outside the girls' locker room. I must say that sofa had the most appealing ladies and you can watch the others come and go. One MMS did come and sit with me and asked if I knew the prices, she had a list of 4 numbers written on the back of the pad. I just said yes. I saw the 365 mark and the 500 k but failed to ask about the other 2 higher numbers. Every now and again a MMS would trot up to me with a young lady they were never the bottom barrel ones that others have mentioned all very lovely. No matter how many times I asked them to not bring me girls one MMS kept going. I stayed for a while with one large bintang and left, the bill was 120 k.

As I was on recon I went to the Kota Indah area to check out those bars. Popped in and had a drink in pretty much all of them. Nothing has changed there apart from Starmoon now having a horseshoe double stacked sofa in place of the behind glass fishbowl.

Have now moved down south a bit to a condo near Kalibata City. Can actually see a bit of blue in the sky here. Right next to the commuter rail so Classic, Travel and Kota Indah are just a 20 minute jump away.

Sorry no details on the action as did not partake last night. I will take a look at Travel today.

Oh man, I have done this so many times. Instead of asking receptionist to call in the room I tell the girl I am in the coffee shop and so she would step in. I would glance at her in the lobby itself and decide to take her to room or not. Another one I pulled out was when I was in pattaya last year, I told the online girl I was in a coffee shop which was opposite my hotel. She reached and tried calling me and when I saw her I almost didn't recognize her, so much so for the filters. I felt really bad for the girl for wasting her time but I prefer it that way than to have a horrible time in the room.

And guys never share your room no first screen them and then take them up. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2937146]
Another trick I would use is sit on the couch next to front desk and tell front desk to call my room despite me being right there. If I intervene, no issues. If I don't, front desk will just have to say, sorry he is not in the room. A hateful text involving my mother is much more convenient to deal with instead of dealing with a LB aka creature (love the name W. Now, to many of you, this may sounds dramatic or too much of an hassle but it does gets entertaining once you spot the scammer. You aren't pulling that stunt on a normal girl.

Unless I have met the girl before, I never tell them my room number and don't meet them in my hotel. Always in a mall or a restaurant. Safer and easier to ditch them without causing any scene.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TrueGent;2937213].......

Went outside to the nearby BNI bank and had a pleasant surprise. I could only withdraw up to 1,200,000 per transaction in 100 k or 50 k notes, but was not asked about fees or exchange rates. After I took out 1. 2 I checked my bank and it was spot on the general Mastercard exchange rate. I am using a Starling Bank card so I don't know if it will be the same for everyone.

.........[/QUOTE]1) CIMB Niaga is 3 juta (100 k notes).

2) Maybank Indonesia is 1. 5 juta (50 k notes).

3) BNI is 2 juta (100 k notes).

4) Mandiri is 1. 25 juta (50 k notes).

5) BCA is 2. 5 juta (100 k notes).

There is an extra charges by bank, but I can not remember the amount. Each bank charged differ amount.

Other Credit Card might had differ withdrawal limits or depend on bank / ATM.

That's the exact reason why I tell them upfront, if you don't look like the picture, I am sending you back and I won't pay for your transportation so be honest with me. Usually by then the girl will either send a real picture or just block me 😁 which I'm fine either way. Out of thousandss of girls, it's not difficult to find the next one.

Speaking of pattaya, I have a good friend who used to be WG then turn her life around and runs clothing business in BK, Pattaya and KL. I was taking to her few nights back, apparently Pattaya scene is heavily infested with tricksters and lowballers from both sides. As per her, she thinks it has becoming a mechanical meat market.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2937214]Oh man, I have done this so many times. Instead of asking receptionist to call in the room I tell the girl I am in the coffee shop and so she would step in. I would glance at her in the lobby itself and decide to take her to room or not. Another one I pulled out was when I was in pattaya last year, I told the online girl I was in a coffee shop which was opposite my hotel. She reached and tried calling me and when I saw her I almost didn't recognize her, so much so for the filters. I felt really bad for the girl for wasting her time but I prefer it that way than to have a horrible time in the room.

And guys never share your room no first screen them and then take them up. Cheers.[/QUOTE]

Just a general Question, why don't you guys bring cash? Or even use western union transfer to yourself form your bank accounts in US or other countries. If you factor in the bank withdrawals fees, that western union transfer is much cheaper. Also there is Remitly whose rates aren't too bad either. Just a thought.

[QUOTE=Cgk19;2937389]1) CIMB Niaga is 3 juta (100 k notes).

2) Maybank Indonesia is 1. 5 juta (50 k notes).

3) BNI is 2 juta (100 k notes).

4) Mandiri is 1. 25 juta (50 k notes).

5) BCA is 2. 5 juta (100 k notes).

There is an extra charges by bank, but I can not remember the amount. Each bank charged differ amount.

Other Credit Card might had differ withdrawal limits or depend on bank / ATM.[/QUOTE]

Nice FR and good positive experience. Glad to hear you had double fun. So, 200 k tip has become mandatory now. Looking at girls with binoculars part was definitely hilarious.

[QUOTE=KennyWu;2937159]I decided to go to Emporium hotel and connected to David, thanks one of the members shared his number. It’s around 6 pm on Tuesday. Due to some party the pool was occupied. I sat with David and looking all the girls far from using binoculars After a few minutes selected a girl from 1. 4 range name Nelly (not sure how to pronounce) Got into the room. I would say all 1. 4 range grils are pretty compare to Classic. EMP is mostly for mid to high level customers and Classic is for low and local to hangout without using the girls. Also, EMP is cleaner and neater and no harassing by the folks. You sit and relax and find a girl to go to the room. So the cost is 1. 4 for one range that includes 90 minutes in the room with a girl that you can do twice cum I guess, I did that. 1. 2 grils are bit old its kind of Okayis compared to 1. 4. Threesome they are charging extra 250 k for bigger room. And there is a mandate tips of 200 k to the girls and the drinks are expensive and don't even drink from the room.

I guess enough of the details to visit. Once you paid they give a boarding pass to let you out.

In the room, we got in and she brush and cleaned herself. After a few minutes naked and laydown interacted a lot with translations app..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zippos;2937427]Just a general Question, why don't you guys bring cash? Or even use western union transfer to yourself form your bank accounts in US or other countries. If you factor in the bank withdrawals fees, that western union transfer is much cheaper. Also there is Remitly whose rates aren't too bad either. Just a thought.[/QUOTE]Carry cash for the whole trip is not really smart. Have an amount secured stash away in case of emergencies.

To use transfer to you is an option if you are near places where you can pick up the cash. For the procedure you need internet, time and is is not for free.

Using ATM's is easy, on the go wherever you are even for small amounts and the rates are similar to the fees from WU or others.

Travelling without credit cards is backward. You need them at airlines, hotels, rent-a-car. So, why not use it at an ATM?

Don't count pennies when you travel. Make it easy and safe and enjoy your time.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2937427]Just a general Question, why don't you guys bring cash? Or even use western union transfer to yourself form your bank accounts in US or other countries. If you factor in the bank withdrawals fees, that western union transfer is much cheaper. Also there is Remitly whose rates aren't too bad either. Just a thought.[/QUOTE]For me I have been travelling all over for years so bringing my own currency is difficult. I have a Starling Bank account that gives me no charges for any foreign transactions including ATM withdrawals. The only costs are with the local bank ATM fees.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2937427]Just a general Question, why don't you guys bring cash? .[/QUOTE]I think the main reason is safety. Would you have the amount that you plan to bring, on you, even back home?

Hi I'll be in Jakarta in September and was wondering if anyone can advise. I would like to try some quite taboo stuff, in addition to the more vanilla stuff. Classic ect. I was wondering what the best way of doing this would be, I have spoken to a couple of girls on tinder and they seem relatively happy to go along with the stuff I want to try. Has anyone ever had a "GF" who spends time with them and other girls, and could you take a "GF" to somewhere like classic, and have a threesome? Sorry if this sounds mad, but I checked the forum and can't find any information. Probably cause no one is as weird as me. It's my first time in Jakarta and relatively new to this although I have travelled to Latin America before. I'm also wondering if there's much of a BDSM scene in Jakarta and also, what's the best way to get Kamagra and poppers. If anyone could offer any advice it would be really appreciated.

I've been traveling with cash all these years and knock on wood, no issues so far. Just needs to be cautious and to make sure there is a safe in hotel room. I would rather bring cash than compromise my bank card at one of the rigged ATM machines. Damages would be just too high if that happens.

Other downside of it is, my bank only allows 4 international transactions per month and after that it changes $5/ per transactions plus local bank transactions fees! So far Jakarta, once I withdraw approximately 6/7 million my free transactions will be maxed. Not enough for a week long sexpedition in Jakarta if I want to visit places like Emporium, KC, MTR.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2937456]I think the main reason is safety. Would you have the amount that you plan to bring, on you, even back home?[/QUOTE]

On my last trip I got some fraudulent charges on one of my major CC's. First time this has ever happened in nearly 10 continuous years of travel. I can pinpoint who got hold of this CC number as it's a card I rarely use. The charges were under "Uber Eats" on my CC and I never used Uber or Uber Eats on this CC for my last 3 trips at least. I thought it was just a mistake at first but every 2nd day I got another "Uber Eats" charge each one more than the last. By the 3rd charge I called my CC who blocked any more charges from "Uber Eats", immediately issued me all my charges back, and sent me a replacement card within a few days.

I primarily use my Wise wallet to take out money and pay as a CC. I transfer money online to Wise prn. This frees up my CC from being exposed as often. Like Zippos I carry cash in different currencies around.

Call me paranoid but this stems from a trip I made to Las Vegas many years ago. Found out when I arrived that none of the 6+ CC and bank cards I had on me worked. Lucky I knew a dancer in Vegas who let me borrow money from her.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2937476]I've been traveling with cash all these years and knock on wood, no issues so far. Just needs to be cautious and to make sure there is a safe in hotel room. I would rather bring cash than compromise my bank card at one of the rigged ATM machines.
[/QUOTE]I don't know how long your trips are but bringing your whole budget in cash is wild. Bringing a little bit cash for emergency is ok, but for the hobby that we have a quick 2 week trip you should have at least $2000 on you. If you are paranoid about using your credit card (which you shouldn't) because you are protected by the bank.

Try using a debit card most of them are free (for the basic service) and load up what you plan to spend that day. Most of them also have a phone app and you can see the transaction immediately, you can also change the PIN numbers daily. Banks like Wise, Revolut, N26 to name few I don't know what you Americans have over there.

So yeah Debit Card is the way to go if you travel imo.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2937476]I've been traveling with cash all these years and knock on wood, no issues so far. Just needs to be cautious and to make sure there is a safe in hotel room. I would rather bring cash than compromise my bank card at one of the rigged ATM machines. Damages would be just too high if that happens.

Other downside of it is, my bank only allows 4 international transactions per month and after that it changes $5/ per transactions plus local bank transactions fees! So far Jakarta, once I withdraw approximately 6/7 million my free transactions will be maxed. Not enough for a week long sexpedition in Jakarta if I want to visit places like Emporium, KC, MTR.[/QUOTE]Note that if you bring cash you still have to get the cash from somewhere and that will usually be from some ATM machine where the risk of losing your credit card is not zero. Of course losing your credit card and having it compromised is not the same but it is a hassle too depending on your travel plans and where the replacement card is sent to.

I can see the point of bringing cash though. If I could withdraw 9 million I'd bring only emergency cash, but 3 million rupiah is peanuts. It's not so much a question of fees, it's having to do multiple cash withdrawals every day, with each withdrawal carrying its own risk of the card being swallowed. ATMs doling out puny amounts is definitely a serious downside in any mongering destination.

On all my travels; business or personal and even on my last Jakarta trip all expenses were prepaid except the chick prices which I paid in cash. I carry much more than enough as I kind of feel secure with having money in hand just in case. Kind of a mindset thing or where I come from where cash is king though things are changing fast. Hotel stay pre-paid, linked my credit card with grab and my Bank always used to send OTP to authorize the transaction when driver stopped the trip, Clubbing in BATs / CJs all expenses CCs, could have paid EMP bill too by CC but preferred to pay by cash. Did not want to show that transaction in my statement. Dollar mart the exchange shop is hardly 5 minutes where I stayed in, in fact there are two just next to each other so no problems in converting currency. Of course, keep my cash and passport in my room locker.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2937476]I've been traveling with cash all these years and knock on wood, no issues so far. Just needs to be cautious and to make sure there is a safe in hotel room. I would rather bring cash than compromise my bank card at one of the rigged ATM machines. Damages would be just too high if that happens.

Other downside of it is, my bank only allows 4 international transactions per month and after that it changes $5/ per transactions plus local bank transactions fees! So far Jakarta, once I withdraw approximately 6/7 million my free transactions will be maxed. Not enough for a week long sexpedition in Jakarta if I want to visit places like Emporium, KC, MTR.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XXL;2937554].....
I can see the point of bringing cash though. If I could withdraw 9 million I'd bring only emergency cash, but 3 million rupiah is peanuts. It's not so much a question of fees, it's having to do multiple cash withdrawals every day, with each withdrawal carrying its own risk of the card being swallowed. ATMs doling out puny amounts is definitely a serious downside in any mongering destination.[/QUOTE]Daily 9 million is Very possible if you had a local trusted friend, (trusted friendX3), very important that had to mention 3 times. But be very careful of your monies, trust nobody.

My thief beat your thief to it BB.

Mine was very highly ambitious. He / she was ordering Apple products from apple site. Highest was 5 k lowest was 600. I'm guessing he was gunning for entire Apple lineup until fraud department caught it and they called me. Luckily I was reimbursed for every penny but they couldn't recover the amount from apple due to some steps they had to follow. It's the worst thing to happen specially when traveling overseas. And I know exactly where it was compromised. Even cops knew the source but couldn't find out who was exactly. Lesson learned.

Another issue with ATM I read is, depending on the time, you can be a target of organized mugging. They moment you step in, group will follow and get money out of your card forcefully. I've seen that happen in India and friend of mine was subjected to similar incident. Never heard that happening in Indonesia, Malaysia or Philippines but wouldn't be surprised if that happens.

I definitely wouldn't call it paranoid but be cautious, we may not find the one friend in a place to help us out in similar situation. That's why cash is the king as long as it's kept safely and securely.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2937516]On my last trip I got some fraudulent charges on one of my major CC's. First time this has ever happened in nearly 10 continuous years of travel. I can pinpoint who got hold of this CC number as it's a card I rarely use. The charges were under "Uber Eats" on my CC and I never used Uber or Uber Eats on this CC for my last 3 trips at least. I thought it was just a mistake at first but every 2nd day I got another "Uber Eats" charge each one more than the last. By the 3rd charge I called my CC who blocked any more charges from "Uber Eats", immediately issued me all my charges back, and sent me a replacement card within a few days.

I primarily use my Wise wallet to take out money and pay as a CC. I transfer money online to Wise prn. This frees up my CC from being exposed as often. Like Zippos I carry cash in different currencies around.

Call me paranoid but this stems from a trip I made to Las Vegas many years ago. Found out when I arrived that none of the 6+ CC and bank cards I had on me worked. Lucky I knew a dancer in Vegas who let me borrow money from her.[/QUOTE]

I get my cash straight from teller before leaving country. I rarely use ATM machine. I don't even remember when was the las time I used one.

And you are correct on ATM"s dolling out punny amounts, imagine you went to Emporium and had few drinks and banged one for 1. 4 m, now that one session with drinks will consume your entire withdrawal. For next round, you would have to run to ATM while girl sits there waiting or went with someone else 😁.

[QUOTE=XXL;2937554]Note that if you bring cash you still have to get the cash from somewhere and that will usually be from some ATM machine where the risk of losing your credit card is not zero. Of course losing your credit card and having it compromised is not the same but it is a hassle too depending on your travel plans and where the replacement card is sent to.

I can see the point of bringing cash though. If I could withdraw 9 million I'd bring only emergency cash, but 3 million rupiah is peanuts. It's not so much a question of fees, it's having to do multiple cash withdrawals every day, with each withdrawal carrying its own risk of the card being swallowed. ATMs doling out puny amounts is definitely a serious downside in any mongering destination.[/QUOTE]

Several of my CC's, including Wise which is perhaps the best (unless you are one of the the lucky ones who in the USA seem to be able to get cards that will refund ATM fees), allow you to easily turn off the card via a phone app. So if you want to be really careful, you'll keep that card disabled most of the time, and only temporarily enable it via your phone a few seconds before you are going to pay for something, and then disable it again. A bit unpractical, but that is usually the trade-off for security.

Another tip is to scratch out the CVC code at the back of all your cards (those 3 extra digits online shops asks you to provide when you buy something online), after writing it down somewhere for yourself. This will make it quite a bit harder for someone to do online purchases (but only online purchases) with your CC, even if they have all your other details because they copied them when you paid for something at their counter. Those digits are needed for online buying, but not for in-store purchases.

Had I know I could pay at Emporivm and Classic with CC and no extra fees (at least that's what I was told at Emporivm), sans Wise's fees, I would not have bothered to exchange a bunch of Thai baht to Indonesian and carry it with me.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2937645]...

Had I know I could pay at Emporivm and Classic with CC and no extra fees (at least that's what I was told at Emporivm), sans Wise's fees, I would not have bothered to exchange a bunch of Thai baht to Indonesian and carry it with me.[/QUOTE]Now wait a minute, this could be a game-changer. Can anyone confirm you can pay with CC at no surcharge at those venues? Hopefully you can use you credit card contactless and they don't grab your CC to stick it into the machine.

Sticking a piece of paper over the 3 additional digits at the back of the CC may be a better idea than scratching it altogether.

Paying Grab Taxi by credit card is also interesting. Paying Ueber in Brazil with CC was a breeze. I tried paying Bolt in Thailand with CC but it failed because the taxi scammers told me during the ride they couldn't accept credit card payment, so I had to pay cash and recoup the amount from Bolt. Can someone confirm paying Grab by credit card in Jakarta goes smoothly?

One last question: do you guys go places in Jakarta with your passport? Or is it better to keep it under lock and key and possible pay off the police if there's a road block?

[QUOTE=Zippos;2937427]Just a general Question, why don't you guys bring cash? Or even use western union transfer to yourself form your bank accounts in US or other countries. If you factor in the bank withdrawals fees, that western union transfer is much cheaper. Also there is Remitly whose rates aren't too bad either. Just a thought.[/QUOTE]I always travel with a $1000 dollars in fresh 100 $ bills and a bunch of smaller bills. Have traveled all over the world and always had cash on me for that just in case time. We travel in a world that is wired to a cashless future. The problem occurs when your card does not work. Earthquakes, major power outages, revolutions anything is possible in some of the countries I travel in. If I need to get somewhere quickly I'll have the cash that will solve that, compared to somebody scratching their head wondering why the ATM isn't working. Just have to be able to get ti my hotel room. Some of that money will get used to P4 P, but I just restock before my next trip.

Credit card is used for everything else under normal situations. If it gets hacked, so what, the bank sends me a new digital card that I can use immediately via google pay and refunds all the purchases. I use WISE for personal purchases and bank credit card for company expenses. Probably had cards hacked 5 times in 30+ years in Asia. Once in Hong Kong in 1991, twice in Australia (1 x skim at an ATM), and WISE card done twice from god knows where, but purchases where attempted in the US (I now have the freeze feature activated unless making a purchase).

[QUOTE=XXL;2937686]Now wait a minute, this could be a game-changer. Can anyone confirm you can pay with CC at no surcharge at those venues?

Can someone confirm paying Grab by credit card in Jakarta goes smoothly?

One last question: do you guys go places in Jakarta with your passport? Or is it better to keep it under lock and key and possible pay off the police if there's a road block?[/QUOTE]Yes, Classic, Travel and all the higher end places accept card. You can even add girls' tips at the better places.

Yes, I've added Wise to my default payment on Grab and Gojek without issue.

If you hand over your passport to anyone stopping you without cause ie fishing for bribes, what do you think your chances are of getting it back without payment? Never, ever, hand over your passport and there is no need to travel with it for regular daily activities, certainly not half tanked, with three hookers in the taxi, at 4 am.

Just a general comment that I was amazed at how little cash I went through on my last trip. Sure there are some cash only businesses & purchases but the level of credit card penetration is much broader now. I have no problems paying the majority of my expenses online (travel, hotels etc) or card (90% of daily expenses) and just withdraw cash as required. Bringing over several thousand, easily lost or stolen, dollars makes no sense to me.

Enjoy. G.

There is definitely a surcharge at all the main places that take CC like Travel / Classic / KI. I can't speak to Emporium. It is usually small. But it is there and most times they will ask you or inform you before you pay with CC. At KI it is 20 K I believe. At Travel, they add a charge called "biaya. " I forget the exact amount though. I think it's like 5 K per voucher?

Grab and GoJek with CC is a breeze and my preferred method now. Sometimes food delivery though is cash on arrival only. I think it depends on the place.

It is actually quite hilarious to see a whole bunch of $1.00 or less transactions for when I use Grab Bike or GoJek Bike for short motorcycle hop. The drivers don't seem to care and there is no surcharge even though the transactions are small. Just hop off the bike and say thanks.

I am still in the habit of carrying my passport in Jakarta. In the early to mid 2000's, checkpoints were quite frequent and I got dinged a few times for "not carrying your passport" and had to pay a couple of reds for "coffee. " But honestly, I haven't seen one or been stopped in a checkpoint now in at least 10-15 years. (Touch wood.) But old habits die hard.

[QUOTE=XXL;2937686]Now wait a minute, this could be a game-changer. Can anyone confirm you can pay with CC at no surcharge at those venues? Hopefully you can use you credit card contactless and they don't grab your CC to stick it into the machine.

Sticking a piece of paper over the 3 additional digits at the back of the CC may be a better idea than scratching it altogether.

Paying Grab Taxi by credit card is also interesting. Paying Ueber in Brazil with CC was a breeze. I tried paying Bolt in Thailand with CC but it failed because the taxi scammers told me during the ride they couldn't accept credit card payment, so I had to pay cash and recoup the amount from Bolt. Can someone confirm paying Grab by credit card in Jakarta goes smoothly?

One last question: do you guys go places in Jakarta with your passport? Or is it better to keep it under lock and key and possible pay off the police if there's a road block?[/QUOTE]

Maybank also is 3 juta (100 k notes) without bank charge.

[QUOTE=Cgk19;2937389]1) CIMB Niaga is 3 juta (100 k notes).

2) Maybank Indonesia is 1. 5 juta (50 k notes).

3) BNI is 2 juta (100 k notes).

4) Mandiri is 1. 25 juta (50 k notes).

5) BCA is 2. 5 juta (100 k notes).

There is an extra charges by bank, but I can not remember the amount. Each bank charged differ amount.

Other Credit Card might had differ withdrawal limits or depend on bank / ATM.[/QUOTE]

Allow me to clarify and add that except my punting expenses all my payments were through cards. The clarification is that all clubbing at BATS, CJs, my daily needs a few from Alfamart were through my debit card, bought whiskey from Jakarta Airport too as well on Debit card. The idea of buying liquor was that I could save a bit of money if the Chick wishes to drink in Club because the cost of 2 drinks in CJs? BATs is roughly equal to the cost of full bottle. The addition is that Grab; later on downloaded Bluebird as well and attached my credit card with it and with both taxi operators it worked like a breeze. Although, I used Grab for 90% of my trip and Bluebird in case of Grab not responding or ride cancelled. No hassle as I do not know local language and the drivers cannot converse in English. Also, I have shared before earlier; my colleague fucked in EMP and paid through his company CC and took a food bill. No surcharge. EMP you can pay the tip of the girl as part of the bill by card. I did not visit any other places for punting hence no comments. Bolt too my CC is linked and worked well during my last trip to Thailand. Kota Indah Sarivayu I went but did not fuck and had my drinks only and the option of paying 400 K for chick by card was available.

I did not carry my passport anywhere except for the currency exchange which they told me next time even a photo copy would work if I had it with me. The currency exchange shop was only a max 10 minute leisurely walk from the hotel.

Cannot get Jakarta out of my head.

Regards.

[QUOTE=XXL;2937686]Now wait a minute, this could be a game-changer. Can anyone confirm you can pay with CC at no surcharge at those venues? Hopefully you can use you credit card contactless and they don't grab your CC to stick it into the machine.

Sticking a piece of paper over the 3 additional digits at the back of the CC may be a better idea than scratching it altogether.

Paying Grab Taxi by credit card is also interesting. Paying Ueber in Brazil with CC was a breeze. I tried paying Bolt in Thailand with CC but it failed because the taxi scammers told me during the ride they couldn't accept credit card payment, so I had to pay cash and recoup the amount from Bolt. Can someone confirm paying Grab by credit card in Jakarta goes smoothly?

One last question: do you guys go places in Jakarta with your passport? Or is it better to keep it under lock and key and possible pay off the police if there's a road block?[/QUOTE]

Hi Guys.

I just applied for the online Evisa, filled out all the forms and paid the 1. 5 juta only to have my application dissapear, googled up on it and apprently its quite common, be careful yeah, on that note how easy is it to extend a 30 day VOA in Jakarta? Thanks.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;2937809]There is definitely a surcharge at all the main places that take CC like Travel / Classic / KI. I can't speak to Emporium. It is usually small. But it is there and most times they will ask you or inform you before you pay with CC. At KI it is 20 K I believe. At Travel, they add a charge called "biaya. " I forget the exact amount though. I think it's like 5 K per voucher?

Grab and GoJek with CC is a breeze and my preferred method now. Sometimes food delivery though is cash on arrival only. I think it depends on the place.

It is actually quite hilarious to see a whole bunch of $1.00 or less transactions for when I use Grab Bike or GoJek Bike for short motorcycle hop. The drivers don't seem to care and there is no surcharge even though the transactions are small. Just hop off the bike and say thanks.

I am still in the habit of carrying my passport in Jakarta. In the early to mid 2000's, checkpoints were quite frequent and I got dinged a few times for "not carrying your passport" and had to pay a couple of reds for "coffee. " But honestly, I haven't seen one or been stopped in a checkpoint now in at least 10-15 years. (Touch wood.) But old habits die hard.[/QUOTE]Indeed in the first decade of the century you would get stopped by police late at night one day out of three in the area Ayam Wuruk / Lokasari / Stadium. On one night I swear the Prestasi cab taking me back did a turn on purpose so that we would get stopped by police. The cabbie most probably got a cut of the baksheesh.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2937645]Several of my CC's, including Wise which is perhaps the best (unless you are one of the the lucky ones who in the USA seem to be able to get cards that will refund ATM fees), allow you to easily turn off the card via a phone app. So if you want to be really careful, you'll keep that card disabled most of the time, and only temporarily enable it via your phone a few seconds before you are going to pay for something, and then disable it again. A bit unpractical, but that is usually the trade-off for security.

Another tip is to scratch out the CVC code at the back of all your cards (those 3 extra digits online shops asks you to provide when you buy something online), after writing it down somewhere for yourself. This will make it quite a bit harder for someone to do online purchases (but only online purchases) with your CC, even if they have all your other details because they copied them when you paid for something at their counter. Those digits are needed for online buying, but not for in-store purchases.

Had I know I could pay at Emporivm and Classic with CC and no extra fees (at least that's what I was told at Emporivm), sans Wise's fees, I would not have bothered to exchange a bunch of Thai baht to Indonesian and carry it with me.[/QUOTE]Classic Spa charges a 3% surcharge for CC. But my bill is usually less than $100 so the extra couple of bucks for the convenience and reduced risk from carrying a large amount of cash is well worth it to me. I don't remember such a charge at Emporium. Grab works totally fine on my Singapore cards. Don't know about US cards. For cash I draw about 1 M per day for tips and misc and never really run out. Usually come back with a few hundred K for the next trip.

Here is another quick tip about Cash.

When getting USD100 bills, make sure to get 2009 or 2013 series. I know it doesn't make sense in perspective of what year bills were printed but I came across some money exchange specifically in Bali, Jak, KL, BK that they tend to offer a significant lower amount for any bills that's older than 2009 series.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2937696]I always travel with a $1000 dollars in fresh 100 $ bills and a bunch of smaller bills. Have traveled all over the world and always had cash on me for that just in case time. We travel in a world that is wired to a cashless future. The problem occurs when your card does not work. Earthquakes, major power outages, revolutions anything is possible in some of the countries I travel in. If I need to get somewhere quickly I'll have the cash that will solve that, compared to somebody scratching their head wondering why the ATM isn't working. Just have to be able to get ti my hotel room. Some of that money will get used to P4 P, but I just restock before my next trip.

Credit card is used for everything else under normal situations. If it gets hacked, so what, the bank sends me a new digital card that I can use immediately via google pay and refunds all the purchases. I use WISE for personal purchases and bank credit card for company expenses. Probably had cards hacked 5 times in 30+ years in Asia. Once in Hong Kong in 1991, twice in Australia (1 x skim at an ATM), and WISE card done twice from god knows where, but purchases where attempted in the US (I now have the freeze feature activated unless making a purchase).[/QUOTE]

Only time I would actually show my passport to anyone is at Airport and that to for Check-in and Immigration and Customs. Besides that, I keep a pick of my passport on my phone and that to strictly for money exchange in case they want to see it.

I was stopped at a roadblock many times while traveling late night in Havana, São Paulo, Cancun, Bali, Jakarta, Bangkok, Delhi and Kathmandu. Each time they asked me for my passport, my simple answer is "it's in my hotel room, want to come with me to verify! They kinda figured, there is no point shaking this tree and just let me go.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2937713]Yes, Classic, Travel and all the higher end places accept card. You can even add girls' tips at the better places.

Yes, I've added Wise to my default payment on Grab and Gojek without issue.

If you hand over your passport to anyone stopping you without cause ie fishing for bribes, what do you think your chances are of getting it back without payment? Never, ever, hand over your passport and there is no need to travel with it for regular daily activities, certainly not half tanked, with three hookers in the taxi, at 4 am.

Just a general comment that I was amazed at how little cash I went through on my last trip. Sure there are some cash only businesses & purchases but the level of credit card penetration is much broader now. I have no problems paying the majority of my expenses online (travel, hotels etc) or card (90% of daily expenses) and just withdraw cash as required. Bringing over several thousand, easily lost or stolen, dollars makes no sense to me.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

Trying to refresh my memory to prepare for an upcoming trip.

On my last trip I decided to check out Delta Spa. There are a chain of these and I don't remember which location it was.

I think I checked in at the counter and maybe they gave me some wristband or other way to identify me. I'm not sure if I chose the options (such as massage "plus plus") at this point or if that is negotiated with the girl. I think it's normally included in the price?

I entered a lounge area with a bar where you can get a drink. Then, I talked to the mamasan type lady who correctly guessed that I wanted someone "young" and "slim". She produced a girl who was in fact very cute, who led me up to the room.

The room had a bed, a tub with shower, and a urinal. While I was naked, the girl remained clothed and gave me a massage for an hour. Then, she asked if I wanted to extend the time. I guess anything beyond just a standard massage will take extra time.

She left the room for about 15-20 minutes and came back. Then, if I remember correctly, took off her clothes and then took a shower? She was shy about her "small boobs". The festivities amounted to a HJ from a very cute naked girl.

I think the price for a normal hour long massage was something like 500 k, but my bill came to over 1 m, I guess because of extending the time. Not sure why she was gone 15-20 minutes or if this is part of some delay tactic to run up the clock further. I don't know if I paid any tips directly to the girl. Maybe it's expensive by Jakarta standards but it's way cheaper than I could get at home.

Next time I'd like to see if the girl will get naked for the massage part as well, and if that costs extra.

Anybody have any advice with this place?

[QUOTE=Zippos;2938010]When getting USD100 bills, make sure to get 2009 or 2013 series. I know it doesn't make sense in perspective of what year bills were printed but I came across some money exchange specifically in Bali, Jak, KL, BK that they tend to offer a significant lower amount for any bills that's older than 2009 series.[/QUOTE]In general, money changers want the most recent issued bills, clean, untorn, unwrinkled. Bills prior to 2009 lack some of the security features and are more prone to being counterfeited. They prefer clean, untorn, unwrinkled bills as when giving them out, they are less likely to be rejected by the customer. Brand new bills have a very distinct look and feel; overly worn and dirty bills can also be harder to notice if counterfeit.

Getting a lower exchange rate just reflects the higher cost of business in taking in those less than ideal bills. On the flip side, when you accept local currency for your bills, you should insist on clean, new bills for the same reasons.

Since my last trip to Jakarta was brief just three days and had a great time—I've decided to spend five days in October and another five days in November during my stopover from USA to Sri Lanka. I'm curious if anyone has recommendations for places worth visiting beyond Jakarta for girls.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;2938130]Since my last trip to Jakarta was brief just three days and had a great timeI've decided to spend five days in October and another five days in November during my stopover from USA to Sri Lanka. I'm curious if anyone has recommendations for places worth visiting beyond Jakarta for girls.[/QUOTE]Maybe just stick with Jakarta I would say. It's such an enormous place in itself that for girls it's the best place if you only have 5 days x2.

[QUOTE=XXL;2937937]Indeed in the first decade of the century you would get stopped by police late at night one day out of three in the area Ayam Wuruk / Lokasari / Stadium. On one night I swear the Prestasi cab taking me back did a turn on purpose so that we would get stopped by police. The cabbie most probably got a cut of the baksheesh.[/QUOTE]I can't remember getting stopped, going to or from Jalan Hayam Wuruk or the Lokasari Plaza area. But then we roll differently. I would have been returning alone before 10:30 PM, with no more than a beer buzz. You on the other hand were likely traveling lit, with three or four hotties. Your adventures, especially at Stadium were among the most epic in the annals of ISG. The police probably smelled you coming a couple of kilometers away.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2937977]Classic Spa charges a 3% surcharge for CC. But my bill is usually less than $100 so the extra couple of bucks for the convenience and reduced risk from carrying a large amount of cash is well worth it to me. I don't remember such a charge at Emporium. Grab works totally fine on my Singapore cards. Don't know about US cards. For cash I draw about 1 M per day for tips and misc and never really run out. Usually come back with a few hundred K for the next trip.[/QUOTE]At 3% surcharge, considering Visa and Master give a better exchange rate on your CC than you get when changing cash, the nett loss reduces to less than 3%.

I suppose with Grab you enter your CC once and for all and it charges the CC on autopilot from then on. 2FA verification after each ride would be too much of a hassle.

Grab, Goiek is set once and changes occur on each ride / food order. My CC has this feature of approving a merchant as Trusted merchant and it will continue thereafter to a set limit. Anything over that limit, it would ask me for approval.

When it comes to using of physical CC for any purchase, often others don't pay attention is to what currency to select! Most cases it will ask for local currency being option one which in this case IDR, which is set by merchants bank at a very high exchange rate, second option is USD which is also set by merchants bank at a higher exchange rate and third option is home currency where CC is from. It's always best to choose home currency that way home bank does the conversion based on mid-day exchange rate. That way you won't loose much in the process.

Another great option is, no international transaction fees CC, otherwise that puts a huge dent on the total amount. If grab ride is to be $1 then it will be $1 for CC with no international transaction fees, otherwise it could be $1. 05 to $1. 15.

Many won't care about a small amount but it will make a big difference when paying hotel bills, airfare.

[QUOTE=XXL;2938183]At 3% surcharge, considering Visa and Master give a better exchange rate on your CC than you get when changing cash, the nett loss reduces to less than 3%.

I suppose with Grab you enter your CC once and for all and it charges the CC on autopilot from then on. 2FA verification after each ride would be too much of a hassle.[/QUOTE]

Starling does not charge you any fee, no matter where you are, if the card is supported, you just pay the Mastercard conversion rate, but you have to pay a local fee, if the bank charges that. In Indonesia the cheaper is BCA, at least this is what I have found out:

[B]Bank Central Asia (BCA)[/B]

BCA is one of the largest banks in Indonesia, and their ATMs are widespread. They typically charge a fee of around 30,000 IDR (approximately £1. 50) per withdrawal with a foreign card, which is on the lower end of the spectrum.

[B]Bank Mandiri[/B]

Bank Mandiri also has a large network of ATMs, and the fee is usually around 30,000 to 50,000 IDR (approximately £1. 50 to £2. 50). Mandiri ATMs are reliable and widely available.

[B]CIMB Niaga[/B]

CIMB Niaga often charges a fee similar to other major banks, around 30,000 to 50,000 IDR. However, some users have reported slightly lower fees at CIMB Niaga ATMs.

[QUOTE=Cgk19;2937389]1) CIMB Niaga is 3 juta (100 k notes).

2) Maybank Indonesia is 1. 5 juta (50 k notes).

3) BNI is 2 juta (100 k notes).

4) Mandiri is 1. 25 juta (50 k notes).

5) BCA is 2. 5 juta (100 k notes)..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zippos;2938423]
When it comes to using of physical CC for any purchase, often others don't pay attention is to what currency to select! Most cases it will ask for local currency being option one which in this case IDR, which is set by merchants bank at a very high exchange rate, second option is USD which is also set by merchants bank at a higher exchange rate and third option is home currency where CC is from. It's always best to choose home currency that way home bank does the conversion based on mid-day exchange rate. That way you won't loose much in the process.
[/QUOTE]Hey Zippo, sorry, but the opposite is true. If you chose the local currency, wherever you are (e.g., IDR in Indonesia), exchange rate will be set by card provider (i.e., visa or mastercard). The mechant in Indonesia will have nothing to do with that, so the exchange you get is the best possible. After that, your own bank usually tacks on an invisible currency conversion fee (around 2 percent is typical).

If you select anything other than the local currency, the merchant in Indonesia (or rather, whoever handles the transaction for them) will themselves decide the exchange rate to use for conversion to USD or your local home currency, and your home bank will not be involved. This will always be a rate way worse rate than the visa / mastercard rate, and usually much worse than the 2% currency conversion fee your own bank tacks on.

There are some cards that do not impose this conversion fee I've read, but those are not available to me unfortunately. I instead use Wise, which has a lower fee than most.

This is the correct answer. Always select the local currency and reject DCC (Dynamic Currency Conversion) to your home currency. Whether using a credit card or an ATM. Reject the automatic conversion to your home currency. Don't take my word for it either.

[URL]https://www.us.hsbc.com/international-banking/should-you-pay-in-local-currency-outside-the-us/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.americanexpress.com/en-us/credit-cards/credit-intel/should-you-pay-in-local-or-home-currency-when-traveling/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/travel/foreign-travel-pay-local-or-home-currency/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2938644]Hey Zippo, sorry, but the opposite is true. If you chose the local currency, wherever you are (e.g., IDR in Indonesia), exchange rate will be set by card provider (i.e., visa or mastercard). The mechant in Indonesia will have nothing to do with that, so the exchange you get is the best possible. After that, your own bank usually tacks on an invisible currency conversion fee (around 2 percent is typical).

If you select anything other than the local currency, the merchant in Indonesia (or rather, whoever handles the transaction for them) will themselves decide the exchange rate to use for conversion to USD or your local home currency, and your home bank will not be involved. This will always be a rate way worse rate than the visa / mastercard rate, and usually much worse than the 2% currency conversion fee your own bank tacks on.

There are some cards that do not impose this conversion fee I've read, but those are not available to me unfortunately. I instead use Wise, which has a lower fee than most.[/QUOTE]

Let's say you pay Classic with CC, how do you go about avoiding the "currency conversion"? If you stick your CC into the machine (and enter your PIN) you have control over what happens and can deny the currency conversion. On the other hand, sticking your CC into the machine increases the risk of cloning etc. If you pay contactless, you may have no control over the currency conversion, indeed you may systematically get screwed by the house like what seems to happen in Brazil clubs (see Sao Paulo thread). If someone knows the Indonesian idiom for "currency conversion" I'd be interested.

Meanwhile the following school translation can be useful:

"Ku tidak mau konversi mata uang, ku ingin bayar dalam rupiah" ("I don't want a currency conversion, I want to pay in rupiah").

Sweet Jesus mother of God!

Your are telling me I've been doing this wrong all along! No wonder why my departments finance team were asking for clarification on actual receipts. Time to change my cabbage head financial advisor.

Thanks much Werqweq and NoGermaphobe. I will stick to local currency moving forward. I'm going to send those links to my Branch Manager and ask her to advise that dumb Financial Advisor.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2938644]Hey Zippo, sorry, but the opposite is true. If you chose the local currency, wherever you are (e.g., IDR in Indonesia), exchange rate will be set by card provider (i.e., visa or mastercard). The mechant in Indonesia will have nothing to do with that, so the exchange you get is the best possible. After that, your own bank usually tacks on an invisible currency conversion fee (around 2 percent is typical).

If you select anything other than the local currency, the merchant in Indonesia (or rather, whoever handles the transaction for them) will themselves decide the exchange rate to use for conversion to USD or your local home currency, and your home bank will not be involved. This will always be a rate way worse rate than the visa / mastercard rate, and usually much worse than the 2% currency conversion fee your own bank tacks on.

There are some cards that do not impose this conversion fee I've read, but those are not available to me unfortunately. I instead use Wise, which has a lower fee than most.[/QUOTE]

I guess we have the possibility of getting screwed regardless what menthol we employ. I had my CC compromised while using Tap / Contactless paying at a Chinese restaurant. As per Apple, Apple Pay is the most secure and it's paid using a different code. I guess whoever had my info from Tap, must've been very good at it. I ended up buying those NFC blocking sleeve for my cards.

And thanks XXL for the Bahsha translation. It will come in handy when I use it at duty free next month.

Speaking of duty free, anyone knows if Jakarta Airport Terminal 2 F (Cebu pacific and other budget airlines fly from) has duty free shops? Need to get some Tulamore Dew (if they have it) before my flight to Manila.

[QUOTE=XXL;2938677]Let's say you pay Classic with CC, how do you go about avoiding the "currency conversion"? If you stick your CC into the machine (and enter your PIN) you have control over what happens and can deny the currency conversion. On the other hand, sticking your CC into the machine increases the risk of cloning etc. If you pay contactless, you may have no control over the currency conversion, indeed you may systematically get screwed by the house like what seems to happen in Brazil clubs (see Sao Paulo thread). If someone knows the Indonesian idiom for "currency conversion" I'd be interested..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XXL;2938677]Let's say you pay Classic with CC, how do you go about avoiding the "currency conversion"? If you stick your CC into the machine (and enter your PIN) you have control over what happens and can deny the currency conversion. On the other hand, sticking your CC into the machine increases the risk of cloning etc. If you pay contactless, you may have no control over the currency conversion, indeed you may systematically get screwed by the house[/QUOTE]Regardless of chip, swipe or pay wave (contactless) I always what will be charged to my card before tapping / inserting / swiping. And yes, always pay in local currency (and travel with a credit card that does not charge foreign transaction fees).

Yes mate, Jakarta Terminal 2 F has a duty free shop; I bought my whiskey bottle from there as I landed by VietJet Air. The shop is just close by opposite to conveyer belts before you exit.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2938771]I guess we have the possibility of getting screwed regardless what menthol we employ. I had my CC compromised while using Tap / Contactless paying at a Chinese restaurant. As per Apple, Apple Pay is the most secure and it's paid using a different code. I guess whoever had my info from Tap, must've been very good at it. I ended up buying those NFC blocking sleeve for my cards.

And thanks XXL for the Bahsha translation. It will come in handy when I use it at duty free next month.

Speaking of duty free, anyone knows if Jakarta Airport Terminal 2 F (Cebu pacific and other budget airlines fly from) has duty free shops? Need to get some Tulamore Dew (if they have it) before my flight to Manila.[/QUOTE]

Rodney. Sorry to hears about yours experince with the elec visa.

Your Visa might still be there, the website is not intusitive. So sometimes you needs to exit, reload, or click on the email that was sent to you. Its a pain, but it will be there. You just need to make payment. And for everyone else, make sure you screenshot everythings, becaause yes there is not guaratee you will find the PDF again or can downlad. Just be safe.

Also, some of you will have issues taking photo of your passport due to glare. It so annoyings.

EXTENSION is quite easy. Everying is done online. I suggest you do 7 days in advance of expiry to be safes. But same issue as above. You will think it did nothing, but then you will have to go back to website (reload, exit and relogin, something!) and you will find it has been apporoved. Again, screenshot everything just to be safe.

The nice thing about eVisa is you can NOW use the Electronic gates. Just scan your passport. We are amazings. No need to deal with mean immigration people who sometimes gives hard time.

Goood luck.

[QUOTE=RodneyRude;2937894]Hi Guys.

I just applied for the online Evisa, filled out all the forms and paid the 1. 5 juta only to have my application dissapear, googled up on it and apprently its quite common, be careful yeah, on that note how easy is it to extend a 30 day VOA in Jakarta? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Gents,

Can anyone recommend the higher class happy massage place near SCBD area in Central Jakarta? I have some times to kill between meeting and late dinner and very interested for relax and fun.

I have been to Fortune Spa on Sudirman. Nicer facilities, but expensive (starts at 1. 4 M, ok attractive women) and always government cars park outside. I have been to the'Heaven near Dharam area, but that place is too run down. Malio and classics to further for me.

[QUOTE=MrMiyaG;2931925]Haha I wonder which one. I was also kinda play flirting with one Mama named Jeny she gave me her WhatsApp. She told me yeah you like slim, petite girls I said yes like you (she is also petite with glasses) I told her jokingly come to my room, then she replied what hotel and what time you want me. I didn't reply back because I was joking but I think the possibility was there if I wantend to.

Some Mamas are a real pain in the ass, but I have bonded with a few in classic and when they see me they know what I like and call their best girl to meet me.[/QUOTE]Dude, that's the same one. Hahaha. Her (ex?-) Husband even wrote me. It's messed up! Hahahah.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2932509]Did you take the mamasan from classic terminal (2 floor) or classic spa in basement. Mamasan in basement spa are young & super hot, to the extent I have told one that I wish to bang her at my pad couple of times. Both times she said no but was willing to share her no. Do you guys think fucking her was a real possibility, I wasn't willing to spend time on her on the trip but hell yeah she was super hot and way better than the girls sitting in the fishbowl.[/QUOTE]

No. The one from 2nd floor.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2932566]Excellent report. I plan to be there soon. I'm excited to check out Classic (terminal). Everyday for a month straight? Who are some of the girls there that you would recommend?[/QUOTE]

376k for a pop? Ofc you go every day. Best price-performance ratio in the world!!!

I don't remember the names, but if you give it some time walking around you find them quickly!

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2932785]I have RTFF-ed the last 15-20 pages.

I understand some Classic girl are not allowed to leave Classic. But if I find one that may leave, may she leave to meet me right after our session?[/QUOTE]Idk, I never met any of the girls outside of classic. They surely want 3 x the price (that's at least how much they wanted in kotah inda) and it's just not worth it if a short moto ride is only 30 k.

Will be in town for about a week if anybody is down to meet up.

[QUOTE=AttilaTheHun;2938922]
Idk, I never met any of the girls outside of classic. They surely want 3 x the price (that's at least how much they wanted in kotah inda) and it's just not worth it if a short moto ride is only 30 k.[/QUOTE]It will depend on the chick and their situation.

Many of them are living in a group and are watched over.
So leaving to meet up with anybody off hours is GENERALLY not possible.

With that being said, I did have a chick meet up with me while in that scenario.
She told her "guardian" she was going to get cigarettes but came to my hotel for a quickie.
The chick was dressed in her PJs. LOL.

[QUOTE=JSmithJ88;2938933]It will depend on the chick and their situation.

Many of them are living in a group and are watched over.
So leaving to meet up with anybody off hours is GENERALLY not possible.

With that being said, I did have a chick meet up with me while in that scenario.
She told her "guardian" she was going to get cigarettes but came to my hotel for a quickie.
The chick was dressed in her PJs. LOL.[/QUOTE]Depends on the girl. I have had nice relaxed sessions in my room with Classic girls on their day off. Paid the same as I would in Classic but no tip. So cheaper for me in the end and more relaxed. Of course this is with girls who know me and I have repeated in Classic first.

[QUOTE=RodneyRude;2937894]Hi Guys.

I just applied for the online Evisa, filled out all the forms and paid the 1. 5 juta only to have my application dissapear, googled up on it and apprently its quite common, be careful yeah, on that note how easy is it to extend a 30 day VOA in Jakarta? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Not sure which URL you used. Below is the official immigration site and they charge IDR 519,000. The eVisa was instantaneous at least in my case. When the payment transaction completed I got an email with the eVisa pdf file.

[URL]https://evisa.imigrasi.go.id/[/URL]

[QUOTE=WildInstincts;2938961]Not sure which URL you used. Below is the official immigration site and they charge IDR 519,000. The eVisa was instantaneous at least in my case. When the payment transaction completed I got an email with the eVisa pdf file.


[URL]https://evisa.imigrasi.go.id/[/URL][/QUOTE]Which visa option did you choose? I don't see an option for tourist / vacation visa??

[QUOTE=AttilaTheHun;2938922]
376k for a pop? Ofc you go every day. Best price-performance ratio in the world!!!

I don't remember the names, but if you give it some time walking around you find them quickly!
[/QUOTE]Fuck yes!! I'm currently in Thailand and Indonesia (Jakarta) is going to be the next stop on my Southeast Asia itinerary. Looking forward to sampling the goods on offer at Classic Terminal. I understand the mamasan named Cha Cha has the best girls.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=AttilaTheHun;2938922]

Idk, I never met any of the girls outside of classic. They surely want 3 x the price (that's at least how much they wanted in kotah inda) and it's just not worth it if a short moto ride is only 30 k.[/QUOTE]Jakarta is not the venue to meet girls "outside working hours" in order to avoid "barfines". This is not Thailand. Girls in clubs are indentured labourers. If she comes to your hotel a mamasan will accompany her to collect the money. And when the paid time is over the phone will ring.

If you want free agents you can get them only at places like Bats.

Does anyone have any recent updates on the bars in Blok M, particularly on Jalan Melawai and Jalan Falatehan? Is it worth staying in this area for a change? Most of the nightlife seems to be concentrated on the North side, including Kota Indah, Jalan Pangeran Jayakarta, Kelapa Gading. My favorites are New Royal, Starmoon, Kings Cross, Hotel Classic in these areas.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2938974]Fuck yes!! I'm currently in Thailand and Indonesia (Jakarta) is going to be the next stop on my Southeast Asia itinerary. Looking forward to sampling the goods on offer at Classic Terminal. I understand the mamasan named Cha Cha has the best girls.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]Cha cha is a pushy mamasan she sulks if you choose another girl from another mamasan. She deliberately crashes into you when walking past to let you know she's not happy. I just laugh it off to defuse it. But she always gets in your face if you're not picking one of her girls. I have to keep telling her to slow down I need to recharge my dick. Hahaha.

The girls on the sofa on the right hand side of the door before exiting downstairs they look stuck up they don't want to go with me a white guy 35 average looking. Full sofa everyone one of them knocked me back. Said to mamasan she didn't seem bothered just shrugged her shoulders. Not sure what that's all about. Other sofas seemed more willing.

Now Cha Cha becomes famous here.

Not necessarily she has the best girls but she does have decent stock. Best girl is the one that you find and choose and how you mould her to be the best for that hour. Definitely Cha Cha is there for as long as the pillar stands and would pull some tricks on you but main goal is to not to let her dictate the game rather you tell her how it's going to be. Remember, you are the one with money. I once punished her by not taking any girls just because she was pushing me to take skeletons from her. Many guys will fancy that but I need some meat on my bones paired with big boobs.

If you want her to orship you, give her the change after paying for the girls, she might offer to give you a lap dance for that. All jokes aside, go early, grab a cold one and take your time. You can ask Cha Cha to follow you along if you want a particular girl. She won't hesitate to go on a witch fight with other Mami. Most importantly, have fun.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2938974]Fuck yes!! I'm currently in Thailand and Indonesia (Jakarta) is going to be the next stop on my Southeast Asia itinerary. Looking forward to sampling the goods on offer at Classic Terminal. I understand the mamasan named Cha Cha has the best girls.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Delbo1;2939102]
The girls on the sofa on the right hand side of the door before exiting downstairs they look stuck up they don't want to go with me a white guy 35 average looking. Full sofa everyone one of them knocked me back. Said to mamasan she didn't seem bothered just shrugged her shoulders. Not sure what that's all about. Other sofas seemed more willing.[/QUOTE]I think I (50's stall cracker) have taken 3 girls from that side (left side coming in / right side going out) towards the pool tables. I do not understand why the mamas try to give those girls when the girls say no. I have been refused 5 times. I go on that side to look but that is about all.

Hello fellow mongers!

Will be spending a few days in Jakarta & Yogyakarta starting from tomorrow, and have been eagerly RTFF these past few days. I did have a couple of questions:

1. From what I've read it seems like Sundays are not a good day to be hitting a lot of the places recommended here. Unfortunately Sunday seems like the best day for me in terms of schedule, although I might be able to get away on Saturday. Any recommendations for places / timings if I do have to go on Sunday, so I can make best of the situation?

2. I haven't seen a lot of reports on Yogyakarta in the "Other Areas" thread. Any suggestions for places there or links to FR's?

[QUOTE=Zippos;2939110]Now Cha Cha becomes famous here.

Not necessarily she has the best girls but she does have decent stock. Best girl is the one that you find and choose and how you mould her to be the best for that hour. Definitely Cha Cha is there for as long as the pillar stands and would pull some tricks on you but main goal is to not to let her dictate the game rather you tell her how it's going to be. Remember, you are the one with money. I once punished her by not taking any girls just because she was pushing me to take skeletons from her. Many guys will fancy that but I need some meat on my bones paired with big boobs.

If you want her to orship you, give her the change after paying for the girls, she might offer to give you a lap dance for that. All jokes aside, go early, grab a cold one and take your time. You can ask Cha Cha to follow you along if you want a particular girl. She won't hesitate to go on a witch fight with other Mami. Most importantly, have fun.[/QUOTE]Some of you guys are being ridiculous. A while back everyone was chasing some particular girl and now everyone will go to classic chasing a particular mama san. Guys, there are dozens of bars, each bar has dozens of mama sans and each mama san may have dozens of girls. All of which change on a daily basis. Just go there and choose and enjoy. And one persons experience with a girl or mama or bar can be totally different than someone else. Its like sports. If every play and outcome is predictable what's the point in playing? The fun is in the discovery. While chasing another mongers experience you are missing your own amazing ones.

Delbo, totally man. Those girls in the extreme corner don't care a fuck and are least bothered / interested in customers. Some of them seem to be good, all said, I have never seen them going down with customers and don't know which mamas look after them. Has anyone ever selected from this line up, I am actually curious to know.

[QUOTE=Delbo1;2939102]Cha cha is a pushy mamasan she sulks if you choose another girl from another mamasan. She deliberately crashes into you when walking past to let you know she's not happy. I just laugh it off to defuse it. But she always gets in your face if you're not picking one of her girls. I have to keep telling her to slow down I need to recharge my dick. Hahaha.

The girls on the sofa on the right hand side of the door before exiting downstairs they look stuck up they don't want to go with me a white guy 35 average looking. Full sofa everyone one of them knocked me back. Said to mamasan she didn't seem bothered just shrugged her shoulders. Not sure what that's all about. Other sofas seemed more willing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2938972]Which visa option did you choose? I don't see an option for tourist / vacation visa??[/QUOTE]Screenshot attached.

[QUOTE=WildInstincts;2939173]Screenshot attached.[/QUOTE]Terima kasih. I didn't even think of selecting "family" for tourism visa.

Thanks again,

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2939162] now everyone will go to classic chasing a particular mama san <snip> While chasing another mongers experience you are missing your own amazing ones.[/QUOTE]Agree. Guys seem to be overthinking Classic and all other bars in Jakarta. If you see a girl, approach her and ask her who her mamasan is. She will happily point out who her mama is. Doesn't matter where the girls are sitting. If she doesn't want you she will say she's busy. If she really was busy guaranteed she will remember your face and come back to you after she's done.

[QUOTE=Shinggo;2937838]Maybank also is 3 juta (100 k notes) without bank charge.[/QUOTE]Went there today. 1.5 juta in 50 k notes. Too small amount of money. Fee unknown.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2938502][B]CIMB Niaga[/B]

CIMB Niaga often charges a fee similar to other major banks, around 30,000 to 50,000 IDR. However, some users have reported slightly lower fees at CIMB Niaga ATMs.[/QUOTE]Went there today. Took out max 3 juta 100 k notes 75 k / $5 fee.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2939234]Went there today. 1.5 juta in 50 k notes. Too small amount of money. Fee unknown..[/QUOTE]Remember now. Fee 50 k. Not free.

In my experience, each ATM (even from the same bank) can be different in terms of the maximum withdrawal limit and the denominations of bills it has. 50 K /100 K.

It's basically a crap shoot everywhere you go. Unless you have a regular rotation of known ATMs that you use.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2939234]Went there today. 1.5 juta in 50 k notes. Too small amount of money. Fee unknown.

Went there today. Took out max 3 juta 100 k notes 75 k / $5 fee.[/QUOTE]

For the sake of naming the side, let's call it Exile side as it seems girls in exile or time out tantrums.

TBH I've had several gem pulled from that side including a couple Threesome. I've never enquired to why girls are from exile side reluctant to spread their legs open but will definitely find out this time.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2939163]Delbo, totally man. Those girls in the extreme corner don't care a fuck and are least bothered / interested in customers. Some of them seem to be good, all said, I have never seen them going down with customers and don't know which mamas look after them. Has anyone ever selected from this line up, I am actually curious to know.[/QUOTE]

Just read this elsewhere. I didn't know it. But it makes sense.

50 K note ATMs will be 1.25 mil or 1.5 mil maximum withdrawal. Basically either 25 or 30 banknotes.

100 K note ATMs should be either 2.5 mil or 3 mil max withdrawal. With 30 banknotes being the max.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;2939310]
It's basically a crap shoot everywhere you go. Unless you have a regular rotation of known ATMs that you use.[/QUOTE]True. Plus, some guys are using credit versus debit cards at the ATM.

I tried an ATM app off Google Play. It was a joke. Only listed 3 different banks and only the ones at the bank locations from what I could tell. Not showing stand alone ATMs.

Not much but I have posted in other areas so that others can benefit from it.

[QUOTE=AverageGeek;2939157]

2. I haven't seen a lot of reports on Yogyakarta in the "Other Areas" thread. Any suggestions for places there or links to FR's?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;2939310]In my experience, each ATM (even from the same bank) can be different in terms of the maximum withdrawal limit and the denominations of bills it has. 50 K /100 K.

It's basically a crap shoot everywhere you go. Unless you have a regular rotation of known ATMs that you use.[/QUOTE]Yes, very confusing. Not standardised.

I had shown with attachment file whereby BNI is 2. 0 jt for my WISE prepaid card. (20 pieces of notes).

You are right, in very generally the ATM dispensed 25 or 30 pieces of notes.

If you ask around, most people in Jakarta shall tell you 2. 5 jt or 1. 25 jt or they even do not know about this limit.

For them, they mostly only know BCA and will not do the maximum withdrawal at the ATM machine.

For amount of 2. 5 jt, mostly go to counter.

My experience of max ATM withdrawal is very bad. CRAPPP.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2939337]Not much but I have posted in other areas so that others can benefit from it.[/QUOTE]Will take a look again. A lot of the reports seemed quite old which is not a great sign I guess.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2939223]Agree. Guys seem to be overthinking Classic and all other bars in Jakarta. If you see a girl, approach her and ask her who her mamasan is. She will happily point out who her mama is. Doesn't matter where the girls are sitting. If she doesn't want you she will say she's busy. If she really was busy guaranteed she will remember your face and come back to you after she's done.[/QUOTE]I also think that mamas aren't as bad for newbies as some guys have said, and that superstar Cha Cha has been overblown. (She seems to know that theres a buzz about her with foreign newbies.). On my first Classic visit, the mamas weren't nearly as aggressive as I expected. True, they were waiting like a wolfpack at the Terminal entrance and the past reports recommending that you walk immediately past them were good advice. They give up on you after 1. 5 seconds if you move fast enough and they even leave you alone for a good while if you don't look eager. Once they started approaching me, they were playfully pushy and would just move on if I didn't respond or directly but politely told them not right now.

In my brief experiences thus far, Cha Cha was the most aggressive, bringing new girls to my table every 5 minutes or so and even setting a couple down with me, but I just asked them to leave and they did. She tried to push them on me in pairs, some undesirables, which I usually declined. I only took her up on one of her 21 yo girls that I found to my taste but didn't agree to all my terms so left.

Other mamas also shifted between fine and annoying from moment to moment, so I find it hard to generalize for other new guys. I think you just need to go and get into it a few times, if you like it. My thing with Classic is that I just didn't find it that fun. The band is too loud but theres no good rocking going on because everyone just sits around. Then as others have said, its too dark to see what the girls really look like quickly. Yeah, you got to learn to weed them out, but it can be hit or miss like other parts of Asia, even when you think you got a gem, when you get down to the room you still see the baby damage, pear shape, sagging tits, or tooth misplacement that you swear wasn't there a minute before.

And the Terms & Conditions negotiation is much the same as anywhere I've been. Take a couple girls I went with for 3 some from mamasan Diamond (Inzan, not sure of spelling, but looks very masculine). Yuki is from countryside was 20 and F from Jakarta 22. F tried to tell me I would only get 60 minutes and 1 shot even though 2 girls BS, but when I told her that Mama confirmed 2 shots 90 minutes for the 500 k she changed her tune. Even then, once we got downstairs it was Nestles Quick and Instant Coffee. Yuki was somewhat lame attitude. She did get wet as I fingered her while F did BBBJ and BBFS cowgirl and she gave me decent BBBJ with aggressive ball sucking, but she wasn't much fun and rode a robotic cowgirl CFS. F wanted CFS but agreed to BBFS for an undefined tip (later gave her 150 k). Both had babies: F had baby damage but seriously fine ass to marvel at while pumping her from behind.

Neither allowed DATY in the end though both said it would be ok back at the table upstairs (wtf). This initially broke my heart LOL but Yuki was a bit smelly so no prob in the end. Their lack of interplay and mixed enthusiasm (F was fun and wild, but Yuki wasn't) stunted my growth so only did 1 shot and didn't want 2nd. I finished early by my choice, because the room was kind a rancid and they felt hurried. I gave 50 k tip to Yuki (she didn't deserve it) and 150 tip to F (well deserved). There was also an altercation in the room next door as I went back upstairs. A Chinese guy was having a major fight with mamasan. Thought it might escalate so I bolted.

I wouldn't repeat these 2, and sorry to say that I aint as mesmerized with Indo girls as a lot of guys are. IMHO, the real hotties are a small minority and fucking full of themselves. Classic and other downscale joints aren't really my thing either. Its just a bit chaotic without the crazy fun IMO, hit or miss with the girls, and then too rushed. I know most dudes don't care about the atmosphere, but I don't like fucking with mamasans clock ticking. However, I got to admit that the damage is very cheap, so nothing lost. Only cost me under USD100 over several hours for both Spa facility with food and drink and also Terminal threesome with 3 beers, bad nasi goreng dinner, water, 2 packs of cigs and tips.

Also, note that the basement Spa has suddenly upped its prices. New price list below. I protested like an SOB when they showed me but gave up after several tries and went upstairs, because wasn't impressed by spa girls.

"I also think that mamas aren't as bad for newbies as some guys have said, and that superstar Cha Cha has been overblown. (She seems to know that theres a buzz about her with foreign newbies.). On my first Classic visit, the mamas weren't nearly as aggressive as I expected. True, they were waiting like a wolfpack at the Terminal entrance and the past reports recommending that you walk immediately past them were good advice. They give up on you after 1. 5 seconds if you move fast enough and they even leave you alone for a good while if you don't look eager. Once they started approaching me, they were playfully pushy and would just move on if I didn't respond or directly but politely told them not right now.

In my brief experiences thus far, Cha Cha was the most aggressive, bringing new girls to my table every 5 minutes or so and even setting a couple down with me, but I just asked them to leave and they did. She tried to push them on me in pairs, some undesirables, which I usually declined. I only took her up on one of her 21 yo girls that I found to my taste but didn't agree to all my terms so left.

Other mamas also shifted between fine and annoying from moment to moment, so I find it hard to generalize for other new guys. I think you just need to go and get into it a few times, if you like it. My thing with Classic is that I just didn't find it that fun. The band is too loud but theres no good rocking going on because everyone just sits around. Then as others have said, its too dark to see what the girls really look like quickly. Yeah, you got to learn to weed them out, but it can be hit or miss like other parts of Asia, even when you think you got a gem, when you get down to the room you still see the baby damage, pear shape, sagging tits, or tooth misplacement that you swear wasn't there a minute before. ".

Also noticed the mamasans were less aggressive when I was there early this month. Maybe management got the word.

I always walk pass them and check out the inventory before I sit down tell, them I want to have a drink first.

Thanks for the report!

[QUOTE=Cgk19;2939355]Yes, very confusing. Not standardised.

I had shown with attachment file whereby BNI is 2. 0 jt for my WISE prepaid card. (20 pieces of notes).

You are right, in very generally the ATM dispensed 25 or 30 pieces of notes.

If you ask around, most people in Jakarta shall tell you 2. 5 jt or 1. 25 jt or they even do not know about this limit.

For them, they mostly only know BCA and will not do the maximum withdrawal at the ATM machine.

For amount of 2. 5 jt, mostly go to counter.

My experience of max ATM withdrawal is very bad. CRAPPP.[/QUOTE]You can do this: insert card. Withdraw limit (whatever it is). Repeat transaction. Withdraw limit. Etc.

The 'limit' is per withdrawal, but you can make multiple withdrawals at the same visit.

Strange. But true.

[QUOTE=WildInstincts;2938961]Not sure which URL you used. Below is the official immigration site and they charge IDR 519,000. The eVisa was instantaneous at least in my case. When the payment transaction completed I got an email with the eVisa pdf file.

[URL]https://evisa.imigrasi.go.id/[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes that was the site I used, it took 4 days to come through for me.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;2939011]Does anyone have any recent updates on the bars in Blok M, particularly on Jalan Melawai and Jalan Falatehan? Is it worth staying in this area for a change? Most of the nightlife seems to be concentrated on the North side, including Kota Indah, Jalan Pangeran Jayakarta, Kelapa Gading. My favorites are New Royal, Starmoon, Kings Cross, Hotel Classic in these areas.[/QUOTE]Onkly the dregs left in blok M and only 2 bars open well 3 if you count obamas, there empty most nights, Blok M has had its heyday unfortunatly.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2939334]True. Plus, some guys are using credit versus debit cards at the ATM.

I tried an ATM app off Google Play. It was a joke. Only listed 3 different banks and only the ones at the bank locations from what I could tell. Not showing stand alone ATMs.[/QUOTE]Didn't try in Jakarta, but other places I've been google maps works ok. Just enter "ATM near me".

[QUOTE=Member#3088;2939546]You can do this: insert card. Withdraw limit (whatever it is). Repeat transaction. Withdraw limit. Etc.

The 'limit' is per withdrawal, but you can make multiple withdrawals at the same visit.

Strange. But true.[/QUOTE]This is not strange, they want to make you pay multiple ATM fees. When the ATM is of a kind where you can swipe the card instead of feeding it inside machine, I don't mind so much. It only takes a 2-second power cut or a random malfunction for your card to be lost inside an ATM.

If you actually rent a hotel room at Classic is it possible to bring girls from Classic Terminal back to your room or do you still have to use the short time rooms?

[QUOTE=XXL;2939593]This is not strange, they want to make you pay multiple ATM fees. When the ATM is of a kind where you can swipe the card instead of feeding it inside machine, I don't mind so much. It only takes a 2-second power cut or a random malfunction for your card to be lost inside an ATM.[/QUOTE]I don't know if this works in Indonesia, but what worked in Thailand 10-15 years ago or so, when Thailand too introduced a similar fee for using ATMs with foreign cards, was to go inside the bank itself and say you want to do a "cash advance" at the counter with your foreign credit / debit card. They'd then swipe your card on their local machine, and I think I had to present my passport too, and sign the copy they made of it at the counter.

The benefits of this was two-fold (or three if you include your fear of the ATM swallowing the card): 1) no ATM fee. 2) no withdrawal limit as far as I could tell, except the one your own bank imposes.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2939234]Went there today. 1.5 juta in 50 k notes. Too small amount of money. Fee unknown. [/QUOTE]You go to Novotel Jakarta Gajah Mada hotel, and next to it, there is a Maybank Bank. There are two ATMs there where you can withdraw 3 juta! The address is as follows:

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/xk1EqntGdPpRFd9U7[/URL]

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2939269]Remember now. Fee 50 k. Not free.[/QUOTE]I used Wire debit Card in last week. 3,000,000 no fee.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2939269]Remember now. Fee 50 k. Not free.[/QUOTE]Get Schwab or Fidelity.

Yes. Very much possible. Been there done that and no issues. As long as you book your room for 2. Classic front desk really doesn't care much as long as there isn't any issues raising from it such as aggressive behavior or fighting. However you may be unsuccessful to bring in a mama if you fancy one.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2939666]If you actually rent a hotel room at Classic is it possible to bring girls from Classic Terminal back to your room or do you still have to use the short time rooms?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2936431]Returning the favor to those that provided field reports.

Visa.

I tried several times to obtain the evisa but could not figure out how to pay. So arrived at CGK with no evisa and expected to wait one hour in the VOA line. It took about 8 minutes and I had my visa. Don't forget to follow up by scanning the QR code. You'll know what I mean when you arrive.

….
Then later I get a whatsapp from a "girl" that texted "Hi. Do you remember me?" Her whatsapp name is "Massage Traditional. " I replied "how did we meet?" She wrote back and said she saw my Tinder location was Jakarta. It must have been same scamming agency! So I blocked that a-hole.

The End.[/QUOTE]I was in Jakarta from a Friday to a Tuesday. Just a first time visit to satisfy my curiosity. Here's a brief report on Days 3-5.

[B]TINDER[/B]

Tinder in Jakarta works very well. It was my first time using Tinder so I bought a one week subscription. I received many unsolicited messages immediately upon activation.

Some girls would abruptly stop replying while you're engaged in back and forth messaging. I already was aware of this based on FRs here so it didn't bother me. Lots of filtering so the 3 girls I met sort of looked like their pics.

Be careful of catfish and girls who 1) immediately offer a massage or 2) immediately ask to whatsapp or 3) ask for your name and hotel room number.

[B]EMPORIUM[/B]

Highly recommend. Girls are higher quality than Classic. Couldn't real differentiate between the 1. 2 and 1. 4 groups. Only went once. Saw 1 girl. Got her WA. She came over to Luminor for a sleepover. I paid 3 M because 1) she's a 9. 5 in my book and 2) I don't like to take advantage over the currency exchange. Bad karma.

[B]CLASSIC[/B]

Only one visit. Glad I went. Deliberately arrived at 5. Saw girls in first floor getting hair and makeup in hotel salons.

Went to Terminal 5 on 5th FL since they open at 3 pm. Backpack searched. Got a wristband. Entered. Immediately engaged by aggressive mamasan. Told her I wanted to walk around. She gave me hissy fit. Walked around. Many sofas. Maybe 90+ girls. Only 10% were worthy to me.

Re-engaged hissy fit mamasan. She brought me a thin and very good looking girl. She asked if I'm interested in a 3-some. Fuck yeah I am, lady! Brought another girl. Cute enough and thin. I pointed upwards indicating lets go to the fuck room.

When entering room, showed staff timer on my phone: ticking downward from 90 min.

Small room w shower and bed. Got nekkid. Showered w cute girl. Laid on bed and let her do her routine. Very sterile. Wiped me down. Condom was tight. Asian men must have really small dicks LOL.

Jammed her. Then swapped to jam Cute Enough Girl. Both fake moaning hoping I'the finish early. That ticked me off so hammered Cute Enough Girl while Cute Girl was fake moaning and tapping my ass.

More fake moaning from both. Continued jam session. Cute Enough Girl's fake moans turned to legit moans. More "are you finished?" which made me hammer harder LOL.

Done. They asked for tips. I said "you girls wanted me to finish early!" just to mess with them. They asked for 100 K each (US $6) so I acquiesced. Would I repeat? Yes. So cheap.

[B]CIVIES[/B]

Many beautiful civies. I casually said Hi to a few. Not enough time to engage and groom.

[B]WIR[/B]

Jakarta is not a beautiful city like Prague, Paris, etc. But since its cheap and easy to monger, I probably would repeat. However, I'the like to visit Bali even tho too touristy. I like beaches.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2939760]Yes. Very much possible. Been there done that and no issues. As long as you book your room for 2. Classic front desk really doesn't care much as long as there isn't any issues raising from it such as aggressive behavior or fighting. However you may be unsuccessful to bring in a mama if you fancy one.[/QUOTE]Thank you zippos for your response. I wonder why more guys don't do it that way. So in other words you can turn it into a set up not too dissimilar from the infamous mansion in Medellin. In which I have an on-site room and I can just go down (or up) to the terminal, find a girl I like, pay the 376 k IDR take out fee and then bring her back to my own personal hotel room to have my way with her for an hour.

The only difference being that Classic Terminal has what about 250 working girls (12 mamasans each with about 20 girls?) vs mansion has like 15 to 20 old hags that charge way more than 100 mil pesos (376 k equivalent over there).

And​ there is classic spa and a restaurant built into the same building as well?? And I wouldn't even need to take a gojek anywhere unless if I wanted to check out a different venue.

Staying at Classic Hotel sounds like a no-brainer to me.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2939837]Thank you zippos for your response. I wonder why more guys don't do it that way. So in other words you can turn it into a set up not too dissimilar from the infamous mansion in Medellin. In which I have an on-site room and I can just go down (or up) to the terminal, find a girl I like, pay the 376 k IDR take out fee and then bring her back to my own personal hotel room to have my way with her for an hour.

The only difference being that Classic Terminal has what about 250 working girls (12 mamasans each with about 20 girls?) vs mansion has like 15 to 20 old hags that charge way more than 100 mil pesos (376 k equivalent over there).

And​ there is classic spa and a restaurant built into the same building as well?? And I wouldn't even need to take a gojek anywhere unless if I wanted to check out a different venue..[/QUOTE]Classic is like an all-inclusive Fuck Resort. Outstanding business model.

Short report from a trip in August 2024:

- Travel Hotel did it for me twice (390 k FS +100 k tip), around 30 girls, last table from entrance had a few stunners of which I took one. Rooms are clean. You need "book" the package at the entrance and then tell the Mamasan that you have done so.

- Checked out Lokasari twice. Only spotted some girls whom I would never touch (looked like under age / drug addicts).

- Tinder is full of freelancers who ask you to pay for the trip into town (which might get more expensive due to traffic, blah, blah). I did this nevertheless for bareheaded GF experience. Girl (expectedly) was not as beautiful as in Tinder pics. Still enjoyed the time with her at my hotel and sent her home after the deed. Total damage same as in Travel (including her Grab bike), but you may well end up paying a lot more. Tinder also has a lot of girls who look for sugar daddies.

- Otherwise be. A. t. S. Seems to be the place for freelancers, but I didn't go.

Thanks for all the advice that I found in this forum.

[QUOTE=RodneyRude;2939568]Yes that was the site I used, it took 4 days to come through for me.[/QUOTE]Was immediate for me.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2939837]Thank you zippos for your response. I wonder why more guys don't do it that way. So in other words you can turn it into a set up not too dissimilar from the infamous mansion in Medellin. In which I have an on-site room and I can just go down (or up) to the terminal, find a girl I like, pay the 376 k IDR take out fee and then bring her back to my own personal hotel room to have my way with her for an hour.

The only difference being that Classic Terminal has what about 250 working girls (12 mamasans each with about 20 girls?) vs mansion has like 15 to 20 old hags that charge way more than 100 mil pesos (376 k equivalent over there).

And​ there is classic spa and a restaurant built into the same building as well?? And I wouldn't even need to take a gojek anywhere unless if I wanted to check out a different venue..[/QUOTE]That's not how Classic works. But go ahead and try and let us know what you find. There's a reason the very most experienced mongers never stay at Classic hotel.

Let me clarify few things before you pull the trigger.

Pros:

1. No questions asked it's a 1 stop shop / mall. I remember, my first trip (many moons back) I didn't leave Classic for good 4 days! Because they had everything I needed both for day game and night game.

2. Room: As I stated many times, it's basic room with king bed, safety deposit box, TV (shitty channels), it's clean and good water pressure in shower. Strong Air Conditioning and each room has exhaust if you are a smoker.

3. In room massage: I call it ugly massage. A good friend of mine who used to work there told me, our masseuse are ugly and that's why it's cheap (last time it was 150 k for an HR I think) compared to classic spa. Despite the sarcasm, these 30-40 yrs ages masseuse can give a decent to very good massage with an option of extra. You need to utilize your negotiation skills though. They would demand 1 million for extra. I usually get 3 hrs long massage with extra for 800 k.

4. Also beside the 2 in house restaurant, there is a Thai restaurant within Classic compound. Very good food.

Cons:

1. Room: yes I know, I just said it's decent room but the same room doesn't have source of day light. There are windows but only thing you can see is the next building and alley. It gets you eventually and make you feel like you are stuck in a dungeon. Now that's just me, I have friends who stayed there for week and longer and never felt like that. For that, I suggest to go out and spend more time outside.

In terms of bringing classic girls to your room, do know that, not every girl would want to come to your room simply because it's out of their comfort and safety zone. Most girls that I have taken to my room was for overnight and they knew me already. I'm not too sure if you can just pay for 1 service / HR plus the take out fee and go do your deeds. May not exactly happen that way but you never know. Chances of taking them out for a longer time has brighter possibilities rather than just 1 HR. But, since this topic appeared, I will explore that next month when I'm there. And yes, you can take the dancers out too but after closing for a hefty price (not worth it).

Medellin: you are absolutely spot on, Latina and Asian are 2 different breeds in shapes and sizes. Also, what each kind has on plate to offer. I have had Latinas who would offer A-level to start with where is in Asian, it requires a lot of convincing and most cases a big NO.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2939837]Thank you zippos for your response. I wonder why more guys don't do it that way. So in other words you can turn it into a set up not too dissimilar from the infamous mansion in Medellin. In which I have an on-site room and I can just go down (or up) to the terminal, find a girl I like, pay the 376 k IDR take out fee and then bring her back to my own personal hotel room to have my way with her for an hour.

The only difference being that Classic Terminal has what about 250 working girls (12 mamasans each with about 20 girls?) vs mansion has like 15 to 20 old hags that charge way more than 100 mil pesos (376 k equivalent over there)..[/QUOTE]

I once asked David jokingly "what's the difference between 1.2 and 1.4". He said, prices are set based on look, appearance and service provided by girls." I told him bullshit, it's determined based on what her pussy feels like.

David choked on the drink as he was laughing with me.

To this date I, I honestly couldn't tell the difference. Sometimes 1.2 looks more appealing than the 1.4.

Bottom line, you enjoyed and had fun and that's what it matters.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2939779]I was in Jakarta from a Friday to a Tuesday. Just a first time visit to satisfy my curiosity. Here's a brief report on Days 3-5.

[B]EMPORIUM[/B]

Highly recommend. Girls are higher quality than Classic. Couldn't real differentiate between the 1. 2 and 1. 4 groups. Only went once. Saw 1 girl. Got her WA. She came over to Luminor for a sleepover. I paid 3 M because 1) she's a 9. 5 in my book and 2) I don't like to take advantage over the currency exchange. Bad karma.
[/QUOTE]

Bro, you got a Tinder babe at a great price, 400 k is awesome, most girls ask anywhere between 1. 5 mn - 2 mn, and I do understand most of them are not going to be close to their pics they uploaded. How was Travel for you, can you share what all you got, I was unlucky at travel the last time. Almost all girls said no to DFK and BBBJ straight away and mamas didn't push them either.

[QUOTE=Paul1969;2939925]Short report from a trip in August 2024:

- Travel Hotel did it for me twice (390 k FS +100 k tip), around 30 girls, last table from entrance had a few stunners of which I took one. Rooms are clean. You need "book" the package at the entrance and then tell the Mamasan that you have done so.

- Checked out Lokasari twice. Only spotted some girls whom I would never touch (looked like under age / drug addicts).

- Tinder is full of freelancers who ask you to pay for the trip into town (which might get more expensive due to traffic, blah, blah). I did this nevertheless for bareheaded GF experience. Girl (expectedly) was not as beautiful as in Tinder pics. Still enjoyed the time with her at my hotel and sent her home after the deed. Total damage same as in Travel (including her Grab bike), but you may well end up paying a lot more. Tinder also has a lot of girls who look for sugar daddies.

- Otherwise be. A. t. S. Seems to be the place for freelancers, but I didn't go.

Thanks for all the advice that I found in this forum.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2939678]I don't know if this works in Indonesia, but what worked in Thailand 10-15 years ago or so, when Thailand too introduced a similar fee for using ATMs with foreign cards, was to go inside the bank itself and say you want to do a "cash advance" at the counter with your foreign credit / debit card. They'd then swipe your card on their local machine, and I think I had to present my passport too, and sign the copy they made of it at the counter.

The benefits of this was two-fold (or three if you include your fear of the ATM swallowing the card): 1) no ATM fee. 2) no withdrawal limit as far as I could tell, except the one your own bank imposes.[/QUOTE]Yes I remember doing that some 20 years ago in Jakart. That was before ATMs, when credit cards were used only to pay for goods and services.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2940019]That's not how Classic works. But go ahead and try and let us know what you find. There's a reason the very most experienced mongers never stay at Classic hotel.[/QUOTE]Zippos just told me that you can bring girls from terminal back to your room and there's no problem with it unless if you are violent or fighting. Are you saying he was lying?

[QUOTE=Zippos;2940020]
In terms of bringing classic girls to your room, do know that, not every girl would want to come to your room simply because it's out of their comfort and safety zone. Most girls that I have taken to my room was for overnight and they knew me already. I'm not too sure if you can just pay for 1 service / HR plus the take out fee and go do your deeds. May not exactly happen that way but you never know. Chances of taking them out for a longer time has brighter possibilities rather than just 1 HR. But, since this topic appeared, I will explore that next month when I'm there. And yes, you can take the dancers out too but after closing for a hefty price (not worth it).[/QUOTE]What if I explain to the mamasan, in Bahassa Indonesia, that I want the service in my own room and offer her a 100 k tip to convince the girls to go with me to my room and / or ask the mamasan to only bring me girls who would be comfortable going to my room?

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;2940279]The options are:

1. 1 voucher at 365 for service in the on site rooms only.

2. 6 or 7 vouchers, called "booking out" (depending on the time and your negotiation skills) at 365 each and the lady goes to your hotel room till 8 am the next morning.

There is no option for 1 voucher in your own room, even if it is the Classic Hotel. Regardless of what you tip or how you ask. At least I have never seen it or heard about it. I imagine Zippos confused your wanting ST in your room with the booking out option.

If you book out. I would recommend that you have at least tried 1 on site session with the lady so she knows you and you can see how she performs.[/QUOTE]I just don't understand why people can't come to a place like Classic and enjoy it for it is. A large brothel with many cute girls with on site service at a ridiculously affordable price. Why must you try to turn it into a Thai gogo bar which it is not? If you want take away to your room, there are other options. Tinder or one of the expat bars like BATS and CJs. I have got Classic girls to my hotel, but on their off days and after I have repeated with them multiple times. But I don't go to a business and try to have them change their business model to suit me. If you want LT, Jakarta is not the best place. Just go to Pattaya.

I also stayed at Classic Hotel & curious why more bros don't do the same. It's actually pretty easy to get there from the airport entirely by public transportation if that's your thing & obviously to get around in general. And I read that many people ask you for tips but it's easy to brush off.

Main bad thing for me was that I was running a tinder civvie game & when they found out where I stayed they were asking me if I knew it's basically a brothel.

[QUOTE=United1;2938916]

EXTENSION is quite easy. Everying is done online. I suggest you do 7 days in advance of expiry to be safes. [/QUOTE]So I have my eVOA on my mobile phone. For an extension I'll have to scan a QR code at the bottom of that document. How to do that with the only mobile phone available?

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2940293] when they found out where I stayed they were asking me if I knew it's basically a brothel.[/QUOTE]If it was good enough for Feynmann, it's good enough for me!

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2940282]I just don't understand why people can't come to a place like Classic and enjoy it for it is. A large brothel with many cute girls with on site service at a ridiculously affordable price. Why must you try to turn it into a Thai gogo bar which it is not? If you want take away to your room, there are other options. Tinder or one of the expat bars like BATS and CJs. I have got Classic girls to my hotel, but on their off days and after I have repeated with them multiple times. But I don't go to a business and try to have them change their business model to suit me. If you want LT, Jakarta is not the best place. Just go to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Please quote me where I said I was looking for LT?

I never said I was looking for LT I actually prefer ST. I just simply wanted to know if it was possible to bring the girls back from terminal to your own hotel room if you are staying in the on-site rooms there at Classic. I have my reasons for preferring to do the deed at my own place rather than in the short time rooms, mainly being if I don't use up the full 60 minutes I often like to ask the girl for a back massage and I have several different massage oils and balms for this and in my mind it would be easier to just keep those things in my room and pull them out when she does the massage rather than to lug them around with me in my pockets Every time I go to classic terminal.

Thanks for your response though, apparently Zippos misunderstood what I was asking about Classic. Although now I kind of don't see the purpose of staying in a hotel room at Classic if the best reason for staying there is something they do not allow. It's just another brothel in this case and it would make sense to stay in a regular hotel more centrally located between different venues maybe closer to the Kotah Inda Complex for more variety.

Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2940326]So I have my eVOA on my mobile phone. For an extension I'll have to scan a QR code at the bottom of that document. How to do that with the only mobile phone available?[/QUOTE]Download this QR Code scanner app from Google Play store and then take a screen shot of the QR code you want to scan and then open up the scanner app and it has an option to scan a QR code from a saved picture. Click that option and select the screenshot from your gallery that it opens up and then it will scan the QR code from the picture and give you options to open the linked website.

Here's a screenshot of what app to look for:

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;2925709]If you want freelancers or independents, CJs, Bats or Eastern Promise are probably your best bet.[/QUOTE]Are these located in the kotah Inda complex?

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2940293]I also stayed at Classic Hotel & curious why more bros don't do the same. It's actually pretty easy to get there from the airport entirely by public transportation if that's your thing & obviously to get around in general. And I read that many people ask you for tips but it's easy to brush off.

Main bad thing for me was that I was running a tinder civvie game & when they found out where I stayed they were asking me if I knew it's basically a brothel.[/QUOTE]Because for a few bucks more you can stay at a 4 or 5 star hotel that is not a brothel and doesn't smell of smoke and have stained bed sheets. And get a decent breakfast. How hard is it to get a 10 min grab from Gaja Medah to Classic anyway?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2940346]Are these located in the kotah Inda complex?[/QUOTE]Not at all. Bats is within Shangri-La Hotel, CJ is within another 5-star hotel (Mulia).

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2940293]I also stayed at Classic Hotel & curious why more bros don't do the same. It's actually pretty easy to get there from the airport entirely by public transportation if that's your thing & obviously to get around in general. And I read that many people ask you for tips but it's easy to brush off.

Main bad thing for me was that I was running a tinder civvie game & when they found out where I stayed they were asking me if I knew it's basically a brothel.[/QUOTE]LOL. What did you answer?

[QUOTE=JSmithJ88;2938933]It will depend on the chick and their situation.

Many of them are living in a group and are watched over.
So leaving to meet up with anybody off hours is GENERALLY not possible.

With that being said, I did have a chick meet up with me while in that scenario.
She told her "guardian" she was going to get cigarettes but came to my hotel for a quickie.
The chick was dressed in her PJs. LOL.[/QUOTE]

Hahah, good trick, let me try that next time I am back in Jakarta. And next time I want to be close to Classic, rent a room right across the street. Sadly classic hotel itself has shitty internet.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2938974]Fuck yes!! I'm currently in Thailand and Indonesia (Jakarta) is going to be the next stop on my Southeast Asia itinerary. Looking forward to sampling the goods on offer at Classic Terminal. I understand the mamasan named Cha Cha has the best girls.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]

Ahw man, I had enough of thailand, just fucking trannies everywhere! And re classic mamas It doesn't matter which mamasan, as others here have already alluded to. Just walk in there early evening (later the good girls are all busy) and take enough time to look at all of them. The mamasan is only there to finalize the transaction. I know they like to think different. LOL.

[QUOTE=XXL;2939003]Jakarta is not the venue to meet girls "outside working hours" in order to avoid "barfines". This is not Thailand. Girls in clubs are indentured labourers. If she comes to your hotel a mamasan will accompany her to collect the money. And when the paid time is over the phone will ring.

If you want free agents you can get them only at places like Bats.[/QUOTE]

I agree.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2940214]What if I explain to the mamasan, in Bahassa Indonesia, that I want the service in my own room and offer her a 100 k tip to convince the girls to go with me to my room and / or ask the mamasan to only bring me girls who would be comfortable going to my room?[/QUOTE]

Just go every day for a week and everyone knows you there and everyone is comfortable with you. Problem solved. If you see one girl a day for a week and each girl for 375 k IDR / pop, you are only down $170.

You sure can try. Mind though, Classic is setup to enjoy punters time at their establishment. I only took girls out at end of their shift when terminal 2 was closing and that too with mutual agreement between me-girls-mama.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2940214]What if I explain to the mamasan, in Bahassa Indonesia, that I want the service in my own room and offer her a 100 k tip to convince the girls to go with me to my room and / or ask the mamasan to only bring me girls who would be comfortable going to my room?[/QUOTE]

Very much true. Not just a Tinder FL but I could never get my kimochi and Orchid girls agree to come to Classic.

That's one of the reason why I change hotels between FL and Milfs.

For some reason, grips are not from classic don't want to enter the premises.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2940293]I also stayed at Classic Hotel & curious why more bros don't do the same. It's actually pretty easy to get there from the airport entirely by public transportation if that's your thing & obviously to get around in general. And I read that many people ask you for tips but it's easy to brush off.

Main bad thing for me was that I was running a tinder civvie game & when they found out where I stayed they were asking me if I knew it's basically a brothel.[/QUOTE]

Landed in Jakarta almost two weeks ago.

Hit the BNI in front of my hotel.

Looks: 7 Nice and clean. Air conditioned. Buttons worked good.

Service: 7 - I pushed the right buttons and satisfaction. 1. 25 juta in 50's.

Entrance: I don't remember. Maybe 50 k.

Recommend / Return: Works in a pinch but I wouldn't return unless I had to.

CIMB in Grand Indo 3 LT.

Looks: 10. I got a line up and I picked number 3 from the left. Clean, smelled nice.

Service: 10 Professional. Be careful, almost stole my ATM card. Make sure you pay attention. Also, don't go for the upsell. I declined the conversion paket and went full service baby! 3 juta.

Entrance: 70 k.

Recommend / Return: Yes and yes.

CIMB in Plaza Indonesia LG.

Looks: 8. Lined up with a bunch of others, I picked this one because I heard of good reputation. But CATFISHED!

Service: 3. I pushed the buttons really good, but reached a point where I wasn't getting any response. Kept getting annoyed response "Are you done or do you need more time?" I didn't understand and just finished the session.

Entrance: 0.

Recommend / Return: NO, but I changed my mind later. See below for explanation.

BCA in Serinah:

Looks 8: In a dirty room, filled with mosquitos. Hard to concentrate and focus. Total turnoff!

Service: 5. I just jammed in my stiff one, pushed the buttons hard, got my 2. 5 jt and booked out as quickly as I could. Of course I declined the conversion. Tidak paket!

Entrance: I don't remember. Was trying to leave as quickly as possible.

Recommend / Return: Good deal but just have to pay attention to the blood suckers in the room.

CIMB in Plaza Indonesia LG:

Looks: See above. I came back to this one because I remembered how to stroke and push the buttons! You see, this one is all about touch. But there's no indication WHERE to touch after asked if you want the conversion paket. It's HIDDEN! Just keep touching around the right about 60% down and eventually, she'll release everything you were trying to get!

Service: Success! 3 jt.

Entrance: 70 k if you don't use the conversion paket.

Recommend / Return: Went back twice already. Would not recommend unless you have the magic touch.

There are two standing in front of Classic lobby, but I usually don't go to them.

Good luck! Happy Hunting!

My next post will be how to get Visas.

Went to be-Fashion first. Last time, I had the BEST session there. This trip, my sessions were so bad, I am going to BAN be-Fashion for a long time.

I won't bother even naming girls, because you know by the time you go there, to coordinate shifts and if she's busy and all that, you'll likely never see the same girl anyways. But for some reason, be-Fashion girls are dropping service. I don't know if they are rich or something, but the attitude sucks.

Picked a tall Freelancer.

L: 8. 5 face, body 8. 5. She's slim and tall, huge natural boobs, tiny tiny nipples. Not my favorite way to stack a young lady. Can't remember the age, but somewhere from 19 to 22.

A: 7 Decent attitude but the service wasn't at the level to keep me turned on.

S: 20 minute massage was nothing to remember. Amazing cat licking skills all over. No DFK, actually not much kissing. She was upset whenever my nose touched her nose and told me to not mess up her make-up. BBBJ was ok. CFS just wasn't working out for me. Wouldn't take upsell to go BBFS. When my 60 minutes was up, I couldn't finish. So I got dressed, thanked her, ready to leave.

E: 1. 1 jt + 100 k. She kept trying to give me back the 100 k because she felt bad that she couldn't go BB and left me unfinished. I gave her the 100 k anyways for good cat skills. But I was ready to give her MORE if she would just go BBFS.

RR: No.

Went straight to KI. I think Grand. It's the one across the alley from Starmoon, but not LA. They changed names too. It's the one NEXT to LA.

L: 8 face 8. 5 body. Slim, short, mid but perky boobs. Small nipples. Bushy down there. Smooth skin. 19.

A: 9 No complaints, she must have liked me.

S: 9 Sensual DFK, responded well to DATY, best BBBJ ever. I had to slow her down she was going to make me pop in BBBJ within minutes. Ready for the task, she slid onto me with a naughty look.

E: 350 k earlybird special, 300 k tip.

Are: Yes, and Yes, but I have no idea what her name is and I don't even remember what she looks like. She was wearing cat ears in her hair. Duh, that's 15% of the girls in the fishbowl.

Several Trips to KI. Several Trips to Classic. Too many to review but I'll give the breakdown below:

1) I'm banning be-Fashion. At 800 k for Therapist and 1. 1 jt for Freelance, I had a 0 out of 2 sessions there. Cannot recommend anyone go to take the risk for that price point. If you like CFS, then you should check it out because there are beauties there. But everyone seems to be very arrogant and far too strict on their rules.

2) Classic. This place really turned out well on this trip. If you show up at 3:00 PM, there are about 50 girls working. I would say 5 out of 50 caught my eye. Most of the rest are your skinny young Indo cuties. I had 2 out of 3 good sessions here. The bad one was a girl that had a baby and her body was wrecked. Cute face, but wouldn't kiss, wanted to do a CBJ, when I told her BBBJ, it was a bad one. Of course, she wouldn't even let me near her without putting on a cover. So I just got dressed and walked out 10 minutes into session. I picked another girl and had a great time. Both times I went to Classic, I walked out at 5 PM and holy shit there are 400 girls lined up and so many are so hot! I walked outside and the girls were coming in to start their shift wearing their street clothes. They were riding in on a scooter. One male driver, 3 girls, all on one scooter. Scooter after scooter they were getting delivered to start their shift. So I imagine the place really starts to bounce at 6:00 PM. Really very pretty girls just based on sheer numbers game. Can't go wrong with 400 girls in one room. Oh, I forgot to mention, this was at Terminal 2. LT 5 is closed until December. Also, there is no more minimum 40 k charge now. It's a flat 5 k entry ticket that you have to pay even if you went to the room with a girl.

3) KI. For some reason, I didn't have a great time here this trip. All the girls seem so stuck up now. No DFK, only very light LFK, no response to DATY, some girls were just dry and couldn't even respond to the session. They had to pour the lube on just to make it through the session. Had 4 sessions and none were very memorable except for the first girl first night. I never go to V-Four. I ban that place from over a year ago. I downgrade KI for this session. Yeah, before I used to get smiles and winks and the girls had a crazy sexual time upstairs. Deep kissing, no restrictions on anything, crazy good sessions. This time, every girl had attitude. Still was able to BBFS all of them, but still it wasn't a fun time.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2940326]So I have my eVOA on my mobile phone. For an extension I'll have to scan a QR code at the bottom of that document. How to do that with the only mobile phone available?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2940338]Download this QR Code scanner app from Google Play store and then take a screen shot of the QR code you want to scan and then open up the scanner app and it has an option to scan a QR code from a saved picture. Click that option and select the screenshot from your gallery that it opens up and then it will scan the QR code from the picture and give you options to open the linked website.

Here's a screenshot of what app to look for:[/QUOTE]Google Lens can do this.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2940033]Bro, you got a Tinder babe at a great price, 400 k is awesome, most girls ask anywhere between 1. 5 mn - 2 mn, and I do understand most of them are not going to be close to their pics they uploaded. How was Travel for you, can you share what all you got, I was unlucky at travel the last time. Almost all girls said no to DFK and BBBJ straight away and mamas didn't push them either.[/QUOTE]Seems like the days of the Tinder freebie are long gone. Picked up an absolute cracker Uni Student in 2018 who I ended up taking all over Asia with me when I travelled, even though she was in a relationship with a bule (didn't know about that initially). Fit as anything, played sport to a high level, all demure on the outside, absolute porn star on the inside, up to threesomes and more. Covid then got in the way. First time we met after Covid she rocked up at my hotel about 5 months pregnant! She had married the bule but I knew nothing about the wedding at the time (was a shotgun arrangement). Punted her at the beginning of the year after she became pregnant with her second kid. Was just coming way to strange.

She is a bit fucked up, literally, even found a video of her on a well know porn site. Guessing she doesn't know about that as she would freak considering what she does now. Wondering if I should break the news to her gently. It's not her husband in the video with her and it is certainly after she had her first kid.

Personally I'd be surprised if some of the senior members in here haven't come across her, she was definitely getting around, and her overseas bule boyfriend / hubby was is very naive. Maybe you're one of the stars int he video. But hey, it was strange fun when it lasted, nothing like banging a girl in a hotel room knowing her husband is working just across the road.

Now it's time to keep it simple. So BATS & CJ's for LT, Classic for the quickie.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2940793]Seems like the days of the Tinder freebie are long gone. Picked up an absolute cracker Uni Student in 2018 who I ended up taking all over Asia with me when I travelled, even though she was in a relationship with a bule (didn't know about that initially). Fit as anything, played sport to a high level, all demure on the outside, absolute porn star on the inside, up to threesomes and more. Covid then got in the way. First time we met after Covid she rocked up at my hotel about 5 months pregnant! She had married the bule but I knew nothing about the wedding at the time (was a shotgun arrangement). Punted her at the beginning of the year after she became pregnant with her second kid. Was just coming way to strange.

She is a bit fucked up, literally, even found a video of her on a well know porn site. Guessing she doesn't know about that as she would freak considering what she does now. Wondering if I should break the news to her gently. It's not her husband in the video with her and it is certainly after she had her first kid.

Personally I'd be surprised if some of the senior members in here haven't come across her, she was definitely getting around, and her overseas bule boyfriend / hubby was is very naive. Maybe you're one of the stars int he video. But hey, it was strange fun when it lasted, nothing like banging a girl in a hotel room knowing her husband is working just across the road.

Now it's time to keep it simple. So BATS & CJ's for LT, Classic for the quickie.[/QUOTE]If it was a girl I was banging for free, as in a friend, I'd definitely help her get the video of the pornsites.

Tinder freebies are not gone. It's just us getting older. Most 20 year old girls would prefer to bang a fit 30 year old guy, rather than a 50+ guy, and who can blame them.

Just out of curiosity, does she goes by the name of Tasya or Maya by any chance I met a freak show once matches the characteristics, took my nerve pain medicine mistakenly thinking it's a regular painkiller mixed with alcohol! Was running around naked in my hotel room at Ascot for several hours, nearly trashed that place. Fun girl with very high ambitions that doesn't get anywhere!

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2940793]

She is a bit fucked up, literally, even found a video of her on a well know porn site. Guessing she doesn't know about that as she would freak considering what she does now. Wondering if I should break the news to her gently. It's not her husband in the video with her and it is certainly after she had her first kid.

[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2940664]
2) Classic. This place really turned out well on this trip. If you show up at 3:00 PM, there are about 50 girls working. I would say 5 out of 50 caught my eye. Most of the rest are your skinny young Indo cuties. I had 2 out of 3 good sessions here. The bad one was a girl that had a baby and her body was wrecked. Cute face, but wouldn't kiss, wanted to do a CBJ, when I told her BBBJ, it was a bad one. Of course, she wouldn't even let me near her without putting on a cover. So I just got dressed and walked out 10 minutes into session. I picked another girl and had a great time. Both times I went to Classic, I walked out at 5 PM and holy shit there are 400 girls lined up and so many are so hot! I walked outside and the girls were coming in to start their shift wearing their street clothes. They were riding in on a scooter. One male driver, 3 girls, all on one scooter. Scooter after scooter they were getting delivered to start their shift. So I imagine the place really starts to bounce at 6:00 PM. Really very pretty girls just based on sheer numbers game. Can't go wrong with 400 girls in one room. Oh, I forgot to mention, this was at Terminal 2. LT 5 is closed until December. Also, there is no more minimum 40 k charge now. It's a flat 5 k entry ticket that you have to pay even if you went to the room with a girl.
[/QUOTE]

Excellent report. I went Classic once around 2-3 pm, a Saturday or Sunday, but it looked empty except for the staff cleaning up, so surprised to hear it was so busy when you went there at 3 pm.

Are there any similar places open earlier?

I liked Jakarta a lot as far as p4p went for my first time, so thinking about spending some time there again next time, even though Thailand is my main destination (everything except p4p is much better in Thailand for me).

I'd like to know if there are places with plenty of girls (not just a few that arrived early) that are open around noon too, as it will probably affect how many days I'll devote to Jakarta on my next trip.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2940654]Landed in Jakarta almost two weeks ago.

Hit the BNI in front of my hotel.

Looks: 7 Nice and clean. Air conditioned. Buttons worked good.

Service: 7 - I pushed the right buttons and satisfaction. 1. 25 juta in 50's.

Entrance: I don't remember. Maybe 50 k.

Recommend / Return: Works in a pinch but I wouldn't return unless I had to.

CIMB in Grand Indo 3 LT.

Looks: 10. I got a line up and I picked number 3 from the left. Clean, smelled nice.

Service: 10 Professional. Be careful, almost stole my ATM card. Make sure you pay attention. Also, don't go for the upsell. I declined the conversion paket and went full service baby! 3 juta.

Entrance: 70 k.

Recommend / Return: Yes and yes.

CIMB in Plaza Indonesia LG.

Looks: 8. Lined up with a bunch of others, I picked this one because I heard of good reputation. But CATFISHED!

Service: 3. I pushed the buttons really good, but reached a point where I wasn't getting any response. Kept getting annoyed response "Are you done or do you need more time?" I didn't understand and just finished the session.

Entrance: 0.

Recommend / Return: NO, but I changed my mind later. See below for explanation.

BCA in Serinah:

Looks 8: In a dirty room, filled with mosquitos. Hard to concentrate and focus. Total turnoff!

Service: 5. I just jammed in my stiff one, pushed the buttons hard, got my 2. 5 jt and booked out as quickly as I could. Of course I declined the conversion. Tidak paket!

Entrance: I don't remember. Was trying to leave as quickly as possible.

Recommend / Return: Good deal but just have to pay attention to the blood suckers in the room.

CIMB in Plaza Indonesia LG:

Looks: See above. I came back to this one because I remembered how to stroke and push the buttons! You see, this one is all about touch. But there's no indication WHERE to touch after asked if you want the conversion paket. It's HIDDEN! Just keep touching around the right about 60% down and eventually, she'll release everything you were trying to get!

Service: Success! 3 jt.

Entrance: 70 k if you don't use the conversion paket.

Recommend / Return: Went back twice already. Would not recommend unless you have the magic touch.

There are two standing in front of Classic lobby, but I usually don't go to them.

Good luck! Happy Hunting!

My next post will be how to get Visas.[/QUOTE]Can someone translate this FR into English?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2940823]If it was a girl I was banging for free, as in a friend, I'd definitely help her get the video of the pornsites.

Tinder freebies are not gone. It's just us getting older. Most 20 year old girls would prefer to bang a fit 30 year old guy, rather than a 50+ guy, and who can blame them.[/QUOTE]Coincidentally, on my recent trip (see my two FRs), I asked one of my girls about indo girls' feeling about age difference. The response I received was not good for old guys. Indo girls are different than Thai girls. Thais don't care about age nor age gap. I've dated Thai girls 40 years younger than me. Indo girls from what I learned, don't like big age gaps.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2940420]LOL. What did you answer?[/QUOTE]Could've sworn I replied to this yesterday but this forum is a bit annoying, seems 20% of my posts are not approved or lost in a black hole. I would just plead ignorance and swear blind that I'm still a virgin too.

On the subject of tinder dates, very much a thing getting with civvies. I was in Jakarta for 8 days, had 3 freebies and could've had a 4th but fell asleep when she was wanting to come round (she gets off work at 1 am). Whereas I was in Bangkok recently, met up with 5 and was firing blanks. Another thing Thailand is great but I'm getting sick of Thai food and Indonesian food is more interesting / tasty.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2940849]Can someone translate this FR into English?[/QUOTE]I think he's talking about ATM machines.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2940849]Can someone translate this FR into English?[/QUOTE]The report is funny.

If I understand correctly, he's reporting his cash withdraw from ATM experience but writing like punting experience.

[QUOTE=Kctt1;2940922]The report is funny.

If I understand correctly, he's reporting his cash withdraw from ATM experience but writing like punting experience.[/QUOTE]LOL. The first time it went straight over my head and I wondered wtf he was smoking, but re-reading it now, yeah, it's funny. Good job BenderOver.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2940850] Indo girls from what I learned, don't like big age gaps.[/QUOTE]This is bad news. Can other Jakarta veterans provide feedback?

Vendelo, you learned this from ONE girl? Or multiple girls told you this?
I am trying to understand the sample size of this information.

~BKK

[QUOTE=Zippos;2940839]Just out of curiosity, does she goes by the name of Tasya or Maya by any chance I met a freak show once matches the characteristics, took my nerve pain medicine mistakenly thinking it's a regular painkiller mixed with alcohol! Was running around naked in my hotel room at Ascot for several hours, nearly trashed that place. Fun girl with very high ambitions that doesn't get anywhere![/QUOTE]Nah, first name began with a B, surname with a P, that's about as far as I will go.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2940850]Coincidentally, on my recent trip (see my two FRs), I asked one of my girls about indo girls' feeling about age difference. The response I received was not good for old guys. Indo girls are different than Thai girls. Thais don't care about age nor age gap. I've dated Thai girls 40 years younger than me. Indo girls from what I learned, don't like big age gaps.[/QUOTE]In contrary, I found they didn't mind. Actually the one I was talking about preferred older guys as they paid her more attention and just weren't interested in the gym and a quick fuck. We know what foreplay is. Her words, not mine. Anyway, she is probably 2 to 4 weeks away from dropping number 2, will keep the Internet surprise till later.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2940882]... Another thing Thailand is great but I'm getting sick of Thai food and Indonesian food is more interesting / tasty.[/QUOTE]Quite right. Problem is, depending on the venue you're ten times as likely to get food poisoning (bacteria) in Indonesia. I stopped eating the delicious "masakan padang" (Padang cuisine) in Indonesia for every time I did so I had 50% chance of spending the night on the shitter. In Padang cuisine people eat with their hands. By the way, do hotels like Hyatt, Meridien, Shangri-La ... still offer superb buffets at give-away prices like they did in the first decade of the century?

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2940927]This is bad news. Can other Jakarta veterans provide feedback?

Vendelo, you learned this from ONE girl? Or multiple girls told you this?
I am trying to understand the sample size of this information.

~BKK[/QUOTE]In Jakarta the mamasan calls the shots. If the mamasan doesn't care about age gaps, chances are the girl doesn't care either.


[QUOTE=Vendelo;2940850]Coincidentally, on my recent trip (see my two FRs), I asked one of my girls about indo girls' feeling about age difference. The response I received was not good for old guys. Indo girls are different than Thai girls. Thais don't care about age nor age gap. I've dated Thai girls 40 years younger than me. ...[/QUOTE]Really? If only that were true. Living in TH I find Thai girls to care a hell of a lot about age gaps these days. Many girls on ThaiFriendly make in clear upfront they don't want older men (screenshot below). Note there's no reason why indonesian girls should be much different. However in many Indonesian venues girls may seldom be able to afford rejecting older customers. In our hobby this matters more than the frame of mind of today's teenage generation. And yes, this may be one more reason to ignore the online market when mongering in Indonesia.

All good bud. At least you had fun.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2940929]Nah, first name began with a B, surname with a P, that's about as far as I will go.[/QUOTE]

Depends on what is your goal and what you are looking for and who you get!

If you are after ONS with regular Tinder or any social media girls with no money exchange terms, probably not much of luck as Indo girls do tend to look for younger / less age gaps.

Now if it comes to P4 P, 90% would careless about the age as long as they get paid for it. Honestly I haven't come across any situation like that but any regular girl I would come across, would always ask for my age. I have had girls with age differences between 10-15 yrs and never had any issues.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2940927]This is bad news. Can other Jakarta veterans provide feedback?

Vendelo, you learned this from ONE girl? Or multiple girls told you this?
I am trying to understand the sample size of this information.

~BKK[/QUOTE]

Never been to Indonesia but by accident on my you tube a vlooger by the name Cam Nakal6.

A69 came up. He rides around Jakarta om motorcycle and shows all these girls working. Kinda of poor looking place but intet4 stnj. Any comme.

Nt on price.

[QUOTE=XXL;2940942]Quite right. Problem is, depending on the venue you're ten times as likely to get food poisoning (bacteria) in Indonesia. I[/QUOTE]On my only trip to Jakarta, I took one bite of the "porridge" they served at hotel breakfast. Immediately I felt nauseous and vomited it back in the bowl. Who knows what my vomit reflex saved me from.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2940932]In contrary, I found they didn't mind. Actually the one I was talking about preferred older guys as they paid her more attention and just weren't interested in the gym and a quick fuck. We know what foreplay is. Her words, not mine. Anyway, she is probably 2 to 4 weeks away from dropping number 2, will keep the Internet surprise till later.[/QUOTE]It really depends on the girl & if you look your age / look younger & keep fit in my experience.

In Bangkok I was recently with a 21-year old for a month or so.

In Jakarta was with 22-25 range & even an 18- year old who worked at a hotel but I fell asleep when she wanted to come round as it was 2 am. These are civvies not FL, I'm telling you bros that Jakarta girls are gagging for it compared to Bkk ladies.

Hey,

I've spent a while reading the forums, and it looks like there's plenty of freelancers to be found in expat bars. I'll only be in town for a couple of days, and I'll be in business meetings all day, then staying at a hotel (don't know which one yet) provided by my employer. I'm not sure if I'll have time to get out to the bars and bring a girl back.

Are there agencies who can provide delivery girls to hotels? I'm hoping for a threesome.

I checked Smooci and there are a handful of girls on there, none with reviews, so it seems maybe Smooci hasn't hit Jakarta yet?

Any advice is appreciated.

Chili.

So it's my first time in Indonesia and wanted to get some advice; what are my best options. I am chatting to a number of girls on Seeking but wondered how they compared to tinder girls over there and to the girls at the clubs. I prefer the longer meets with dinner etc and Seeking has always been good for this (in Europe at least), but as I don't have loads of time I need tp prioritise and was wondering how the tinder girls and the girls at BATS / CJ might compare, and also, in terms of looks how do the club / spa girls at Emporium / Classic compare?

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2940672]Google Lens can do this.[/QUOTE]As far as I know Google Lense (which is a function of the Google Translate App) is for using the camera of the phone to take a picture of something written (a restaurant menu for example) in another language / script (Such as Thai, Japanese, Mandarin, etc) and Google lense then translates the foreign text in the picture into English and overlays it on top of the original text. It has become quite here in Thailand where I currently am. However Google Lense is not capable of reading a QR code. For that he needs to use a QR code scanner such as the one I had mentioned in my previous post.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2941107]As far as I know Google Lense (which is a function of the Google Translate App) is for using the camera of the phone to take a picture of something written (a restaurant menu for example) in another language / script (Such as Thai, Japanese, Mandarin, etc) and Google lense then translates the foreign text in the picture into English and overlays it on top of the original text. It has become quite here in Thailand where I currently am. However Google Lense is not capable of reading a QR code. For that he needs to use a QR code scanner such as the one I had mentioned in my previous post.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]Quite helpful

Quick question: Is mid to late October a bad time to visit Jakarta / Bandung in terms of rainfall? I don't want to get caught up in monsoon rains and floods in the city. Google gives me conflicting answers.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2941107]As far as I know Google Lense (which is a function of the Google Translate App) is for using the camera of the phone to take a picture of something written (a restaurant menu for example) in another language / script (Such as Thai, Japanese, Mandarin, etc) and Google lense then translates the foreign text in the picture into English and overlays it on top of the original text. It has become quite here in Thailand where I currently am. However Google Lense is not capable of reading a QR code. For that he needs to use a QR code scanner such as the one I had mentioned in my previous post.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]Google Lens doesn't only translate text. It can read / scan QR codes.

I've done it on my phone.

Check the internet.

Gonz0.

Unfortunately, I have to cancel my mongering trip to Jakarta and Bandung scheduled for mid-Sep. Considering postponing it to mid-Oct.

Is this a good time to visit? Will there be heavy rains and flooding? I'm getting conflicting info about this on the internet. Please clarify. Thanks.

[QUOTE=JoeBrooklyn;2941350]Unfortunately, I have to cancel my mongering trip to Jakarta and Bandung scheduled for mid-Sep. Considering postponing it to mid-Oct.

Is this a good time to visit? Will there be heavy rains and flooding? I'm getting conflicting info about this on the internet. Please clarify. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hi Joe,

Only certain parts of Jakarta that would normally have regular flooding during heavy rain. However, they have improved significantly lately. Worst case scenario, you could always organise the girls to meet you at your hotel.

[QUOTE=Goofy123;2941357]Hi Joe,

Only certain parts of Jakarta that would normally have regular flooding during heavy rain. However, they have improved significantly lately. Worst case scenario, you could always organise the girls to meet you at your hotel.[/QUOTE]Hmm. That doesn't sound too good. I may just cancel my trip altogether, instead of rescheduling it, and go in June or July maybe in a year or 2.

I've been in Jakarta for the whole of August with work, flying back to the USA tomorrow. A friend of mine recommended Couchsurfing for finding college / uni girls in Indonesia as it's really popular with young people looking to make friends with foreigners and practice their English.

I hit the jackpot within 2 days of making an account. Put an advert out seeking a "tour guide" to show me around Jakarta, and in return I'd offer free meals and a chance to practice their English. Just kept it simple like that.

Received 17 replies (3 were from guys. Nothing homosexual, my advert was totally innocent and looking to meet anyone who wanted to practice their English). I was quite selective and picked the prettiest looking girl. She also had a great sense of humour chatting (we switched to Whatsapp after exchanging numbers). 19 years old, in a full-time minimum wage job as an office assistant, bored and looking to have some fun. Very curvy (but not fat), exactly 5 foot tall, model-esque face, massive natural knockers, full Bush (but I later got her to shave).

We met in a shopping mall for our first "date" and she could barely keep her hands off me. Went straight back to my hotel after dinner and fucked her all night. From then on she basically lived in my hotel, only going home to her family on the weekend. She still lived at home with parents so had to be creative about staying out during the week, told her family she was on some kind of training course just outside the city and the company were letting them sleep in the office to avoid commuting.

The first week the sex was pretty vanilla but she quickly became a sexual freak. I got her the birth control pill from a pharmacy, they take a week to start working so we waited, but the last 2 weeks have been creampie galore. I introduced her to anal, the first attempt was painful and put her off but she wanted to try again a few days later and it was amazing. Some of the things she did really surprised me, after 2 weeks she nervously asked "Can I try licking your ass, I've seen it in porn and I want to try. " needless to say that was music to my ears! She loved CIM and would literally wake up begging me to allow her to suck me off and drink my "milk".

The real highlight was 3 days ago though, I bought her some expensive gifts as we're parting ways soon, and in return she promised me a surprise before I left. She came back from work to my hotel with her best friend (not as good looking, but still 8/10 and bangable) and told me they wanted to try a threesome. Her friend was already on birth control so it was a total night of debauchery, I made them slurp my creampies out of each others' pussies. Finally fell asleep around 4 am with one girl sleeping either side of me. Heaven.

I'm going to miss Indonesia. I'm wondering whether to keep her contact details in case I return again, but thinking I'll just take the happy memories and walk away, otherwise I won't stop thinking about her and she may start asking for money.

Ultimately it's your decision on how to proceed but if this helps, I was stuck in middle of one of the worst flood Jakarta had experienced during 2019 Christmas to New year and I was still able to do my deeds without much issues. Yes, there were certain part that was affected but places we visit, not so much.

[QUOTE=JoeBrooklyn;2941427]Hmm. That doesn't sound too good. I may just cancel my trip altogether, instead of rescheduling it, and go in June or July maybe in a year or 2.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Seattle29;2941433]I've been in Jakarta for the whole of August with work, flying back to the USA tomorrow. A friend of mine recommended Couchsurfing for finding college / uni girls in Indonesia as it's really popular with young people looking to make friends with foreigners and practice their English.

I hit the jackpot within 2 days of making an account. Put an advert out seeking a "tour guide" to show me around Jakarta, and in return I'd offer free meals and a chance to practice their English. Just kept it simple like that.

...

I'm going to miss Indonesia. I'm wondering whether to keep her contact details in case I return again, but thinking I'll just take the happy memories and walk away, otherwise I won't stop thinking about her and she may start asking for money.[/QUOTE]I was getting ready to ask her to marry before I was halfway through that story.

Couchsurfing, eh? Sounds interesting.

[QUOTE=Seattle29;2941433]I've been in Jakarta for the whole of August with work, flying back to the USA tomorrow. A friend of mine recommended Couchsurfing for finding college / uni girls in Indonesia as it's really popular with young people looking to make friends with foreigners and practice their English.

I hit the jackpot within 2 days of making an account. Put an advert out seeking a "tour guide" to show me around Jakarta, and in return I'd offer free meals and a chance to practice their English. Just kept it simple like that.

Received 17 replies (3 were from guys. Nothing homosexual, my advert was totally innocent and looking to meet anyone who wanted to practice their English). I was quite selective and picked the prettiest looking girl. She also had a great sense of humour chatting (we switched to Whatsapp after exchanging numbers). 19 years old, in a full-time minimum wage job as an office assistant, bored and looking to have some fun. Very curvy (but not fat), exactly 5 foot tall, model-esque face, massive natural knockers, full Bush (but I later got her to shave).

We met in a shopping mall for our first "date" and she could barely keep her hands off me. Went straight back to my hotel after dinner and fucked her all night. From then on she basically lived in my hotel, only going home to her family on the weekend. She still lived at home with parents so had to be creative about staying out during the week, told her family she was on some kind of training course just outside the city and the company were letting them sleep in the office to avoid commuting.

The first week the sex was pretty vanilla but she quickly became a sexual freak. I got her the birth control pill from a pharmacy, they take a week to start working so we waited, but the last 2 weeks have been creampie galore. I introduced her to anal, the first attempt was painful and put her off but she wanted to try again a few days later and it was amazing. Some of the things she did really surprised me, after 2 weeks she nervously asked "Can I try licking your ass, I've seen it in porn and I want to try. " needless to say that was music to my ears! She loved CIM and would literally wake up begging me to allow her to suck me off and drink my "milk".

The real highlight was 3 days ago though, I bought her some expensive gifts as we're parting ways soon, and in return she promised me a surprise before I left. She came back from work to my hotel with her best friend (not as good looking, but still 8/10 and bangable) and told me they wanted to try a threesome. Her friend was already on birth control so it was a total night of debauchery, I made them slurp my creampies out of each others' pussies. Finally fell asleep around 4 am with one girl sleeping either side of me. Heaven.

I'm going to miss Indonesia. I'm wondering whether to keep her contact details in case I return again, but thinking I'll just take the happy memories and walk away, otherwise I won't stop thinking about her and she may start asking for money.[/QUOTE]Share 1 face photo.

Lucky you for finding such companion. Does that mean you didn't get to visit any of those joints that we frequent?

Your happy memories will always be there whether you make a clean slate now or after many moons down the road. As long as you don't send her money and she ending up blocking you, which may indeed will turn into to bitter one.

I often say this, "once you open an account, you can always do transactions" why not just keep her in loop. Will definitely come in handy in future.

[QUOTE=Seattle29;2941433]


I'm going to miss Indonesia. I'm wondering whether to keep her contact details in case I return again, but thinking I'll just take the happy memories and walk away, otherwise I won't stop thinking about her and she may start asking for money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Seattle29;2941433]I've been in Jakarta for the whole of August with work, flying back to the USA tomorrow. A friend of mine recommended Couchsurfing for finding college / uni girls in Indonesia as it's really popular with young people looking to make friends with foreigners and practice their English.

[/QUOTE]You posted pretty much the same report seven years ago. So was this your first time couchsurfing in Jakarta or the previous one. Sounds a little too good to be true.

[QUOTE=Janna81;2941578]You posted pretty much the same report seven years ago. So was this your first time couchsurfing in Jakarta or the previous one. Sounds a little too good to be true.[/QUOTE]My second time but I'd long forgotten about the previous time and my account on there was no longer active. Had to create a new one.

No face photos to respect her privacy, but here's a photo of her pussy. To be honest I hardly took any pics, and didn't take any videos of our sexcapades. Not my thing. I'm sure she'd have been up for it though.

[QUOTE=Seattle29;2941605]No face photos to respect her privacy, but here's a photo of her pussy. To be honest I hardly took any pics, and didn't take any videos of our sexcapades. Not my thing. I'm sure she'd have been up for it though.[/QUOTE]Really pretty pussy. Looks like she waxes. Am I right?

[QUOTE=Seattle29;2941433]... I'm wondering whether to keep her contact details in case I return again, but thinking I'll just take the happy memories and walk away, otherwise I won't stop thinking about her and she may start asking for money.[/QUOTE]I've been there. Keep the contact. I didn't bc I thought this will never work and have regret.

[QUOTE=Seattle29;2941605]No face photos to respect her privacy, but here's a photo of her pussy. To be honest I hardly took any pics and didn't take any videos of our sexcapades. Not my thing. I'm sure she'd have been up for it though.[/QUOTE]Actually, it's difficult to get a good vagina lip (labia) for Indonesian women since they do female castration when they are born due to religious reason. I have seen many women has literally lost whole vaginas and looks very odd.

PSA for those interested. I have it on good authority that Classic Terminal 5 will re-open on Wednesday, 4 September, 2024.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;2941745]PSA for those interested. I have it on good authority that Classic Terminal 5 will re-open on Wednesday, 4 September, 2024.[/QUOTE]Vendelo posted a week ago (see below) that it was already open and there were 90+ girls on 5th floor.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2939779][B]CLASSIC[/B]

Only one visit. Glad I went. Deliberately arrived at 5. Saw girls in first floor getting hair and makeup in hotel salons.

Went to Terminal 5 on 5th FL since they open at 3 pm. Backpack searched. Got a wristband. Entered. Immediately engaged by aggressive mamasan. Told her I wanted to walk around. She gave me hissy fit. Walked around. Many sofas. Maybe 90+ girls. Only 10% were worthy to me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2941748]Vendelo posted a week ago (see below) that it was already open and there were 90+ girls on 5th floor.[/QUOTE]Interesting. So either the poster just confused Terminal 2 with Terminal 5. Or the Classic Marketing department is actively promoting a soft opening on September 4th for something that is already open. Guess I'll just check it out myself later.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2940850]Coincidentally, on my recent trip (see my two FRs), I asked one of my girls about indo girls' feeling about age difference. The response I received was not good for old guys. Indo girls are different than Thai girls. Thais don't care about age nor age gap. I've dated Thai girls 40 years younger than me. Indo girls from what I learned, don't like big age gaps.[/QUOTE]I think like every situation, your mileage may vary. I'm pretty old and I don't get any issues from the under 20 crowd. I get that people look at me with the younger crowd and possibly think the H. A. risun Fyurd (spelling intentional) vibe. I get that I'm not everyone's flavor, but I haven't ever gotten flack for having salt pepper greys and mall dating of legal age.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2941748]Vendelo posted a week ago (see below) that it was already open and there were 90+ girls on 5th floor.[/QUOTE]No, I was there a week ago and LT5 wasn't opened yet.

I wonder if maybe it was a confusion on what he's calling Terminal 2. You walk into the lobby, and you go up like 3 escalators to get to Terminal 2. I think lobby is G, then UG, then 1, then 2.

To get to 5, you can't take the escalators, it's elevators only. And the front counter ladies and security guys all told me that LT5 is closed and will open after the remodel is done.

Spa would be going down one level to LG I think. Which I did also check out. 400 for 90 min massage, 300 for HJ extra. I paid the full 700 just to try it out. Pretty decent massage on a really shitty massage bed. I'll describe the situation I thought was funny:

Funny Classic Spa Forum Review.

When I showed up at 1 PM there was no choosing any provider. One just got sent to me. She was a 7 in looks and built like a street walking line backer. I mean, think of athletic, but with broad shoulders, strong muscular legs, not fat, but big boned. I like indo girls very skinny, and my masseuse had to be at least 15 kg heavier in a blend of mostly muscle and fat to be considered skinny.

Walk into a room, maybe 10 ft by 10 ft. Shower enclosed by glass in the corner. Bed takes up literally the rest of the space, like 7 ft by 10 ft. WALL TO WALL. Imagine a faux leather massage table about 2 feet above the ground, surrounded by more similar tabletops also of the same faux leather, just completely making up the rest of any open space.

The masseuse tells me to lie down face down, and removes the pillow to reveal a "face hole" in the massage table. Now, in the dark, this oval shaped hole in a huge wall to wall bed just simply looks like a toilet from an ancient roman outhouse. The room is not well lit, and in the hole, which basically goes into the "under the table" area, is pitch black. I'm supposed to put my face into there? I do, and basically peer into darkness wondering if anyone turned on the light, I might have an Indiana jones moment with me staring at cockroaches or rats basically running all over the place. The light does go on during the massage and thankfully, it's just very clean floor tile underneath. Though I didn't much care for the smell in that face hole. It smelled like some older indo man who smoked a lot and had chronic bad breath was just there prior to me.

The massage was very decent, though 400 k for a 90 min massage is quite overpriced in Jakarta. The extra service was 300 k and didn't cost me any more money in regards to time extension. I chose to enjoy the edging which was quite good, and before I got to the point where I started to build up, I asked her to stop and thanked her. I really didn't want to shoot the moon during my Spa session and wanted to have some fun upstairs. I left the Spa after my session around 3 PM and went up to LT2, where I think my other post might have taken over as far as a review goes.

As a note, I did ask her about BBBJ and FS even though I didn't have any intention of trying to keep or use her as my session. Just curious what she would say. She said exactly what I guessed before hand based on most of the previous forum posts. Only massage and HJ.

[QUOTE=Kctt1;2940922]The report is funny.

If I understand correctly, he's reporting his cash withdraw from ATM experience but writing like punting experience.[/QUOTE]After about 7 pages regarding eVOA and ATM machines, I thought the board was losing interest in girls.

After spending July in PH and August in Jakarta, I've moved on to my next Asian point of conquest. I wanted to add some reports about my first Indo sexpedition in addition to the Classic post I already made on August 23: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=2939441&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2939441.

First off, I'm a Jakarta convert. Once I adjusted to the scene and took my time searching for the right one from night to night, I was damned impressed by the 20 yo offerings at the various clubs and spas. And even taking into account the more expensive clubs and extra tips, its still amounts to relatively little in dollar terms. My first Classic visit turned out to be the lowest quality of the entire month, and on one of the weeks I had 3 youngins over a 4-night span that were among the best ever in my book.

I shifted all my attention toward clubs and spas through the month and gave up on chasing online pussy after dozens of chicks disappeared when I insisted on video calls. Only 3 were willing to chat on video first and only 1 of those looked good but was a weirdo. This is much the same as in PH and TH. In my estimation, guys who dig texting have a knack for pulling online FLs and I aint 1 of them. But I broke the ice with lots of decent Indo civvies and will keep in touch for future benefits.

I haven't cracked the Classic nut yet. I understand its appeal to dudes because its big, accessible and cheap. But it's too crazy for me. I think having a bunch of different mamasans running their own dens and competing with each other in one big room under the same roof is fucked up. I much preferred places where multiple mamas help you pick from the same general set. I liked 1001 and EMP because they had calmer atmosphere and better chance of picking stunners (slim evening gowns and good stage lighting). Don't get me wrong, I love to party too, and for that I thought Royal was greasy good. It was the first time I recall having enjoyed fucking with music and partiers rocking just feet below me. But I aint giving up on Classic yet and will go back there to work on making it more fun next time too. The main challenge there is getting a knack for pulling out quality girls from the hordes of average ones who just look good at first glance in the dark but fail to impress in the downstairs rooms.

My top 10 on the August Jakarta charts is the following, ordered best to worst:

1. 1001 The Pool.

2. Royal (New Royal Bar).

3. Emporium.

4. Starmoon.

5. Classic Terminal and Spa.

6. Royal VIP.

7. Kings Cross.

8. Travel.

9. Hotel Mustika (massage).

10. Online apps Tdr / Wechat / Michat waste of time with catfish and princesses.

Every guy has their own tastes, so I aint sayin this should be the order for anyone else. Just that when guys do their RTFF through hundreds of pages and senior dudes bitching at them when they can't make heads or tails of the millions a bits of info, maybe it helps to see how other guys' tastes may align with or rub against your own as you plot out and prioritize your limited mongering time.

My individual reports from some (not all) August adventures coming in the next couple days. Revel on mates.

1001 Pool has gotten good reviews here and it got the gold medal for my visit. I went mid August on a weeknight around 8 pm. Going past the more expensive Colosseum club and into the hotel entrance beyond it, the security and reception staff is very professional. It's a bit of a maze getting up to The Pool up elevator and through corridors. (The reception / cashier desk noted that the minimum entrance fee was 200 k inclusive of 1 Corona beer, but I guess the fee gets waved if you take a girl and then you pay for the drink separately. The 1001 cost structure became confusing to me later between what ID read on ISG forum, what mamasan and reception told me, and what was listed on my final bill.).

On the way up, I accidently got in the elevator with the head mamasan, who was professionally dressed and good balance of proactive but not pushy. (Kind of wish I hadn't because I think she charged me higher for girls.) Once I stepped inside I knew it was exactly my style. Unlike the f'ing craziness of Classic, Travel, and other more budget friendly joints, it was more chill with music lite in the background, good ambience of darker guest area and well lit fishbowl. It was almost empty at 8 (got busier after 9) and I was the only 1 at the front tables facing around 50 stunning young fishbowl girls. They all dressed in slinky, tightly fitted black evening gowns so I could really get a good look at their figures.

Mamasan first escorted me to tables then fucked off when I told her I wanted time to myself to enjoy my drink and the view, but she repeated her name to me several times to make sure she got the call when I was ready to move. When I called mama back to discuss girl fees, she quoted me 1. 55 juta, which is higher than ISG reports from months back. I don't know if prices have gone up, or maybe she quotes higher because she's a lead mama, or she just took advantage of it being my first visit (and me being a horny green dumb shit).

When I pointed out to her that it should be 1. 2-1. 4, she then said it was 1. 2 for girl + 300 k + 50 k in some incomprehensible fees. (Foreign girls were quoted between 3-4 million, ridiculously expensive.) Stupidly, I was half focused on which girl I wanted and made an error in not politely but firmly pushing for details. The invoice from that night is equally mysterious because these places itemize things differently on paper than in person. I sure as hell couldn't tell and wasn't going to start pushing my first visit, so I went along for the ride with the knowledge I would try to clarify on ISG and prepare for billing the 2nd time around.

Fees aside, fuck the girls were steaming. I would put the 50 stage girls into 3 groups: 15 were extremely hot dreamgirls, 25 were very good and ID fuck any of them anyday, and another 10 had a few minor bulges and body / face blemishes but still acceptable in a horny stupor. They are not allowed to have mobile phones with them in the bowl which is a big plus for me, and I think this makes a big difference. They are more energetic (frequently getting up and coming back) and more focused. Really an amazing sight to see on one stage.

I also got a few looks at the foreign lineups that came out from nowhere a few times. They dress in their own fashions, mostly from Vietnam and noticeably tall. IMHO the foreign chicks were not as hot. They seemed fleshier and not really such beautiful faces when you see them up close. Back to the local girls, the big problem is narrowing it down to what you want with so many amazing distractions. One thing to note is how many of the local girls were slender but fucking busty, a couple couldn't even keep their cleavage in their gowns, their nipples kept popping out.

I'm a notorious tit squeezing boob maniac, but I wanted slender, sleek and beautiful that night. I had a working shortlist and when mama came back I ordered up Mali, a 20 yo, 155 cm, 42 kg girl from Sumatra. She came to Jakarta at the age of 16 to work a "normal job" in her words before joining the bar 6 months ago. She said an agency recruits girls for the bar. The Pool is open from 2 pm-1 am. Girls work 2-11 or 4-1 shifts, and she can work and take leave any days she wants. She's a really bright girl, picking up good English on her own and practicing with customers in Jakarta. She was a perfect spa companion: warm, professional, fun and friendly, sexy lite until she gets into bed then turns into adolescent tigress. We chatted on the couch around 20 minutes, and once she smiled and confirmed that she loved lots of DFK and DATY, off we went to the back and down.

You have to walk through the pool area before going to the very nice rooms downstairs. The pool is big and I enjoyed a swim and whirlpool later after the sex. It also has lots of empty cabanas at poolside and nobody was using them. I will take my girl to one of those for pre-pounding chat next time and highly recommend them. Mali also mentioned the private pool rooms available for extra fee "where you can do anything" but she said you can only get those if you take a threesome. She and I agreed that threesome is not for us, preferring 1 on 1 intimacy.

Fuck the next hour was your favorite JAV porn fantasy. Mali's face, makeup, hair, and honey-milky white body make her look Japanese. When the night gown dropped she had a fucking outrageous porn star body holding that lingerie in place. She was 9. 5 in my book from head to toes. Everything was right on skin, hair, face, shoulders, back, tits, ass, belly, pussy, arms, legs, hands, feet. She was an unbelievable shag and a perfect professional. The 1 hour was expertly utilized long BBBJs with tons of licking and ball sucking, DATY, 69, CFS (she wouldn't agree to BBFS but good thing I brought my own Magnum Bareskin, one of the few times I functioned normally with the dom) in many hot positions. It was PSE lite, but as she got more into it, she started rubbing her clit while I drilled her. I maintained myself unusually well and I finally blew at the 50 minute mark as I watched myself grabbing her thighs and pounding her lifted ass and arched belly in the mirror, with her nipples pointed slightly back and ankles dangling over my shoulders. And she really followed through with cordial service. I was still sweating when the 5 minute call came and she told me to take my time to catch my breath. No hurries at all and I tipped her graciously.

She went back to stage and I took a whirlpool and swim. Fucking nice as hell. After my swim, I was too love struck at the checkout cashier on my way out and made the mistake of not asking for detailed itemized rundown when the fee structure came up again. Looking at the final bill, it appears that the 200 k entrance fee was waived since I took a girl, and the Corona was then charged individually. But that obscure 350 k mentioned earlier by mama showed up as 300 k "RA Std 251" fee and 50 k "HTM The Pool fee". I paid 1. 9 juta in total. The bill showed 1. 2 juta for girl, 350 k unexplained fees, 250 k for 3 drinks, 100 k drink taxes.

Through August, I overpaid a few times, but only costing me an extra $30 or so in total, which I'll chalk up to experience. Would be good to hear from any of you recent 1001 veterans what the accurate current girl fee is. 1. 55 seems a bit high but in fact cheaper than top EMP girls and better quality / selection. But if it should be 1. 4 then be prepared to push when you go in. For me, 1001 still hits the mark for ST venues. In USD terms the $100+ I paid for 2. 5 hours with 1 goddess at 1001 was much better spent than the $95 for 3 hours for an unsatisfying threesome and food / drinks at Classic. Quality over quantity here. Ill do 1001 regularly alternating with other joints, but with longer recovery periods (2-3 days) between visits since I can't fuck 3 times everyday like the other randy a-holes on this forum.

At Jonny. INMO, seeking has gone down last 3 years I come to Jakarta. Is same girls, so after 1 week you will encounter everyone. All the hots are in Baii or Singapore. But at least expectations are clear. Tinder has a lot quanity, and they will find you. But you will probably spend a lot of time scan through fake profiles and fake photos. BATS / CJs full of 30-40 age washed out hags. That's not a good alternatives.

If I was in your shoes. I would try seeking (look for 33% promo code on googles) and if you have the local sim card, Tinder can be cheap. I usually pay 2. 5 M for seeking girls per sessun.

[QUOTE=JonnySutton;2941099]So it's my first time in Indonesia and wanted to get some advice; what are my best options. I am chatting to a number of girls on Seeking but wondered how they compared to tinder girls over there and to the girls at the clubs. I prefer the longer meets with dinner etc and Seeking has always been good for this (in Europe at least), but as I don't have loads of time I need tp prioritise and was wondering how the tinder girls and the girls at BATS / CJ might compare, and also, in terms of looks how do the club / spa girls at Emporium / Classic compare?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2941778]No, I was there a week ago and LT5 wasn't opened yet.

I wonder if maybe it was a confusion on what he's calling Terminal 2. You walk into the lobby, and you go up like 3 escalators to get to Terminal 2. I think lobby is G, then UG, then 1, then 2.

To get to 5, you can't take the escalators, it's elevators only. [/QUOTE]Only Vendelo can confirm this for us. When I originally read his post I was shocked to read there were 90+ girls at 3 pm on Level 5. I rarely go to Level 5 and haven't been since maybe 2017 or 2018 so never questioned the post.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2941820]1001 Pool has gotten good reviews here and it got the gold medal for my visit. I went mid August on a weeknight around 8 pm. Going past the more expensive Colosseum club and into the hotel entrance beyond it, the security and reception staff is very professional. It's a bit of a maze getting up to The Pool up elevator and through corridors. (The reception / cashier desk noted that the minimum entrance fee was 200 k inclusive of 1 Corona beer, but I guess the fee gets waved if you take a girl and then you pay for the drink separately. The 1001 cost structure became confusing to me later between what ID read on ISG forum, what mamasan and reception told me, and what was listed on my final bill.).

On the way up, I accidently got in the elevator with the head mamasan, who was professionally dressed and good balance of proactive but not pushy. (Kind of wish I hadn't because I think she charged me higher for girls.) Once I stepped inside I knew it was exactly my style. Unlike the f'ing craziness of Classic, Travel, and other more budget friendly joints, it was more chill with music lite in the background, good ambience of darker guest area and well lit fishbowl. It was almost empty at 8 (got busier after 9) and I was the only 1 at the front tables facing around 50 stunning young fishbowl girls. They all dressed in slinky, tightly fitted black evening gowns so I could really get a good look at their figures.

Mamasan first escorted me to tables then fucked off when I told her I wanted time to myself to enjoy my drink and the view, but she repeated her name to me several times to make sure she got the call when I was ready to move. When I called mama back to discuss girl fees, she quoted me 1. 55 juta, which is higher than ISG reports from months back. I don't know if prices have gone up, or maybe she quotes higher because she's a lead mama, or she just took advantage of it being my first visit (and me being a horny green dumb shit)..[/QUOTE]Great report, I'm looking forward to reading the rest of them!

During the month did you hit up Malio or was it not worth it?

Prices are insane, even compared to Thailand. 1. 5, 2, 3 millions IDR? That is crazy! I don't know if you guys are totally incompetent or if you are so ugly that you need to pay so much to get laid. Indonesia is cheap, and yet you pay prices that are absurd. You must be all dumb, with all due respect.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2941820]Through August, I overpaid a few times, but only costing me an extra $30 or so in total, which I'll chalk up to experience. Would be good to hear from any of you recent 1001 veterans what the accurate current girl fee is. 1. 55 seems a bit high but in fact cheaper than top EMP girls and better quality / selection. But if it should be 1. 4 then be prepared to push when you go in. For me, 1001 still hits the mark for ST venues. In USD terms the $100+ I paid for 2. 5 hours with 1 goddess at 1001 was much better spent than the $95 for 3 hours for an unsatisfying threesome and food / drinks at Classic. Quality over quantity here. Ill do 1001 regularly alternating with other joints, but with longer recovery periods (2-3 days) between visits since I can't fuck 3 times everyday like the other randy a-holes on this forum.[/QUOTE]Volt, great reports. Its been a decade since I was in Indo. So many fond memories. A few throwback pics for the gents.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2941817]

My top 10 on the August Jakarta charts is the following, ordered best to worst:

1. 1001 The Pool.

2. Royal (New Royal Bar).

3. Emporium.

4. Starmoon.

5. Classic Terminal and Spa.

6. Royal VIP.

7. Kings Cross.

8. Travel.

9. Hotel Mustika (massage).

10. Online apps Tdr / Wechat / Michat waste of time with catfish and princesses.

Every guy has their own tastes, so I aint sayin this should be the order for anyone else. Just that when guys do their RTFF through hundreds of pages and senior dudes bitching at them when they can't make heads or tails of the millions a bits of info, maybe it helps to see how other guys' tastes may align with or rub against your own as you plot out and prioritize your limited mongering time.

My individual reports from some (not all) August adventures coming in the next couple days. Revel on mates.[/QUOTE]Great reports bro, I'm definitely a Jakarta convert too.

On the tinder / civvie game I find that video call probably is unnecessary, I normally call a girl out to a nice coffee shop near my place. If she is a catfish, no damage done & I tell her I have to go back to my hotel urgently to wash my hair or sth. Conversely if a girl asks me for a video call I would probably reject them as well because it's just a bit heavy before first meeting.

My favourite was Classic, I wouldn't worry too much about the MMS. I just sit there and chill & they don't bother me too much.

To each their own.

I'm not saying what one should or must do but personally I would video call before meeting any FL / online date considering the factors of pushing through Jakarta traffic, time and the awkwardness at scene! Don't forget, if someone is catfishing you, she or he-she very much comes prepared to lure you into the trap.

I've been catfished many times and not taking a second chance. Do know though, with all the fillers that's available on those cheap Chinese phones, we can be very much misled believing the person is in her 20's, not the actual 40's and the greatest miracle of 21st century, padded bra!

I personally don't blame those Chinese punters when I see them feeling up the boobs before taking girls! I don't do it and wouldn't do it, in-fact it's kinda sickening to see that but I can certainly see the point of doing it.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2941985]Great reports bro, I'm definitely a Jakarta convert too.

On the tinder / civvie game I find that video call probably is unnecessary, I normally call a girl out to a nice coffee shop near my place. If she is a catfish, no damage done & I tell her I have to go back to my hotel urgently to wash my hair or sth. Conversely if a girl asks me for a video call I would probably reject them as well because it's just a bit heavy before first melting.

My favourite was Classic, I wouldn't worry too much about the MMS. I just sit there and chill & they don't bother me too much.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TropicanGeorge;2941862]Great report, I'm looking forward to reading the rest of them!

During the month did you hit up Malio or was it not worth it?[/QUOTE]I didn't hit Malio this trip. Recent reports kind a turned me off to its prices and service. I'll probably try it next time.

Just a short one here.

For down and dirty partying, I was more partial to Kota Indah. My first visit there was a flyby some of the joints before landing in Starmoon. I liked Royal the most (separate Royal report coming later) because I thought it had a real party vibe. Yeah it was loud but rockin loud and everyone havin a good time, without the pushy mamasans. The girls are stuffed in one corner so you can't see them but they come out for lineups and shit they are freaking good looking, nice and slutty. I wanted to check out Starmoon the same night, so didn't take a Royal girl but wish I had now.

Starmoon was relatively dead near midnight on a weeknight. But it was good and sleazy too. Mama was nice there, but yeah most girls were lazy and just sitting around, and they seem to have some belly. I told mama I wanted young, slim, and no babies, and she immediately pointed to a pretty girl I'the been eyeing and who was eyeing me. Eve was 23 and from Sumatra. She was very good looking, with an amazing ass and flesh, a bit of a belly but it was surprisingly tight and no baby damage. But she turned out to be a fucking starfish, friendly at the table but awful in bed. She wouldn't do BBFS but was still pushing for a tip through Google translate even as she refused no condom. She only grudgingly gave BBBJ so it wasn't hot at all, but she did enjoy getting her pussy licked a lot. Her pussy was awesome and DATY was the only positive of the punt. The ass pounding would have been phenomenal with its firm round shape if she wasn't such a fucking dead fish, just kind of stared off into imaginary space, so my little bro kind of faded away too.

This was my 2nd punt of the day, and I have unpredictable performance habits. If I'm with 1 girl all night I tend to be non-stop like 4-7 times in 1 night stand. If I have civvy dates, I can manage an early evening shag and go out and do it again with date number 2 the same night but that 2nd shag is iffy at best. But I can't seem to manage multiple punts at different establishments in a given day like a lot of the dynamo dudes on ISG can. Fuck I wish I could. Anyway I had to piss in the middle of the session and put a new Magnum Bareskin on but gave up during the 2nd condom as I couldn't cum and quickly left with no tip. Only 400 k for the shag and beer, so no loss at all. There were a couple sexy solo dancers up as I walked out, so I will visit next trip to try other slutty looking milfs there when I'm in the mood.

EMP has gotten lots of good coverage here. I had high hopes for my first visit. It delivered in terms of good atmosphere, professional service & transparent pricing. But it fell far short in overall girl offerings. Still, I was able to pull a phenomenal beauty and made EMP one of my top choices for the future.

EMP is similar to 1001 The Pool in many ways and at the same general price point. Both EMP and 1001 Pool customers are mainly Chinese, Japanese, Taiwanese, Singaporean & Malaysian. EMP also adds a sticker to phone camera when you arrive. The EMP pool is smaller than 1001 but much busier not for swimming but for getting into major foreplay with other couples all around you. The EMP girls are also employed through an agency and they work in 2 shifts 12-10 and 3-1. In general you can feel sex in the air more at EMP than at 1001 (where sex seems more reserved for privacy of the downstairs rooms). Experiencing hot 20 yo girls from EMP and 1001 just a few nights apart along with a few hot Indo asses from other bars in the same week was memorable to say the least.

I showed up around 8 on a weeknight and there were only a few guests in the fishbowl room but I later found that was because lots of customers were already in the KTV rooms, pool, and private rooms. It seems that David is the EMP papasan of the hour at ISG, but he wasn't around on my first visit. Instead I got a mamasan who I thought was very good also. She was very nice and calm, not at all pushy. She politely explained the 2 tiered pricing system including mandatory 200 k tip - 1. 433 juta girls on the right and 1. 633 girls on the left all wearing tight red evening gowns. She told me there was no entrance fee at all. ID get 30 minutes in the pool and 90 minutes in room, with larger room available at an extra 275 k.

Fortunately, the gowns exposed their bodies in detail and lots of them were busty. Unfortunately, there were only about 20 total and most were showing bulging bellies. Some were pretty, but I really had to scan quickly as they came and went. Strangely they all got called away to a KTV room so the bowl was completely empty for 10 minutes, and I strained to find even 2-3 that fit my specs as they reentered. Predictably, the 2 I homed in on were immediately snagged by 2 Indo dudes next to me just as I was ready to call Mama. Shit.

As recent reports have mentioned, there isn't much quality difference between price categories. If anything, most of the expensive ones had big bellies. I was about to give up and started to tell mamasan that I would come back another night when I decided to call over the 1 remaining possibility who had a super cute smiling face and tight belly.

So Mama called up Vita, this 20 yo half Chinese half Indo chick from a small town a couple hours outside Jakarta, to my table. When called, Vita at first grimaced so I thought maybe she didn't want me, but from then was all big smiles. (She said she was surprised because I was her first white flesh experience, who knows). Standing in front of me changed everything. She was f'ing dynamite tall at 163 cm (over 170 with heels), very cute Chinese face, with long full hair and nice figure that was both athletic and slender. Her looks were top tier top to bottom: face, hair, smell, teeth, skin, big tits, amazing ass and long shapely legs. Some guys on another forum say you can tell the hotties from their arms. Yeah, she had good ones and a good belly, but I've noticed that Vita and some other hot Indo girls had some especially nice feet as a sign of extra premium quality. Those high heels made Vita almost as tall as me, fucking hot for kissing and standing positions.

Vita was definitely fresh off the bus, only a few months in Jakarta (she used to work at KFC and wear a hijab) and still nave enough to have her guard down (gave me her Instagram and whatsapp). She seemed excited, so I took her right away. For the next 2 hours it was fantastic GFE and endless DFK, starting immediately in the pool, where she dry mounted me and sucked on my tongue while she stroked little bro. The EMP pool is fucking wild because you got all these other bros around you doing their thing with their gals and nobody gives a fuck. Hell yeah. Got me so hot I had us go to the room after 15 minutes, and Vita had to go get me a towel before I stood up from the pool to hide my erection LOL.

I went with a large room for the extra fee. Not seeing the regular room, it didn't seem like anything special though really nice inside. ID only get it again if I wanted a bath together. This time we just showered each other. Before stepping in, she held her towel on her body an extra few seconds and then, tadaa, let it fall as my f'ing jaw dropped at what I saw. This amazing amazonian figure.

Back on the bed, there was no hurry at all. But hell even if you have 90 minutes theres no way you can hold it with such a goddess. I tried to go slow. She did a fairly nice BBBJ with major ball sucking. The best part was watching her amazing ass / legs / face in all the different mirrors from different angles. BBFS was absolutely refused, which I expected, but the 1 big letdown was she also rejected DATY that I live for. Her pussy was so fine, and no matter how long I tried to convince her to let me, she just wouldn't let me go down. Good thing I slipped a couple of my Magnum Bareskins into my robe. These are better than the tight condoms issued by the clubs, and theyre the closest I've found to feeling natural.

She got on top and looked like a dream in cowgirl. It was good but unfortunately she lacked stamina, so I had to take the lead after a few minutes. She arched her back nicely in mish and took it like a champ from behind, where I shot at about the 30 minute mark. We kept up the GFE and DFK for the remaining hour, chatting through google translate. We almost got going again near the end with my BB lb rubbing her genitals, but she said no. Overall the body and GFE were exceptional, but she could have been more adventurous with PSE. (She said she was going drinking at the upscale H Club after work with 3 of her hot fds. I later saw the video of her doing whiskey shots at H Club on Instagram, holy fucking hot. I think she was auditioning for H Club job.).

When we finished, she showed me her tip card and asked if I wanted to give her one, but I told her that I was taking care of it upstairs with the bill, so didn't give extra tip to her. It seems that the tip card is in addition to the mandatory 200 k tip on everyone's bill. That's the only sketchy part I noticed at EMP. But she didn't push it. Also, we had a couple beers in the room that were expensive at 135 k each, so avoid those unless you really need them. The total bill came to 2. 1 juta including 3 beers and room upgrade worth it for an amazing girl like that.

In the end, I had a very good experience with EMP even if most of the beauties were already fucking in rooms. I saw lots of them in the hallway around 10 and could see that there are plenty of good options if you happen to arrive at the correct moment. The place is classy and professional. I will make it a regular stop but it needs more hot girls to fill the ranks.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2942076]EMP has gotten lots of good coverage here.[/QUOTE]Another fantastic detailed report, thank you sir for taking the time.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2942073]If I'm with 1 girl all night I tend to be non-stop like 4-7 times in 1 night stand. Anyway I had to piss in the middle of the session and put a new Magnum Bareskin on but gave up during the 2nd condom as I couldn't cum and quickly left with no tip. [/QUOTE]Most girls around the planet are 1-2 pops and no more. You act as if you get 4-7 pops regularly. I have to call BS on that even of you are paying a lot of money.

Why on earth do you feel the need to keep mentioning Magnum Bareskin? Are you a sales rep or think guys here are impressed?

No idea how long you with the girl but if you could not cum because you were tired you should have given at least a little money. If she was being difficult then good for you. Rare I do not tip but happened last week when she was doing a bunch of little stupid stuff to kill the mood and flow of the game. Like on purpose.

As the joke goes: 2 female friends are having a chat about their sexual skills, and Girl 1 asks Girl 2 for advice:

Girl 1 - "How do you give a good handjob?

Girl 2 "Use your mouth. "

I'm not into happy ending massages at all, so just a quick report here on seeking out a non sexual massage in Jakarta.

Early August I tried an in room massage at HI because the hotel spa next to the gym is still closed. I guess HI has the same spa ladies doing in room massages. I got a short, thin and very pretty Javanese MILF, can't recall the name, to do a one hour massage. The massage was just gentle oil rubbing with no pressure and didn't really satisfy my muscle needs. As expected after every PH and Indo massage from the past 2 months, she made add-on services available at the 45 minute point. But I don't respond at all to hand tugging, so I said no and she quickly changed the subject and got back on to the veggie massage, which turned out to be poor IMO.

I was doing lots of city walking and gym workouts in Jakarta and badly needed a real massage. I tried Hotel Mustika next to HI, only wanting veggie massage for 150 k. I was tempted however when my 24 yo masseuse named Fifi arrived at the dumpy room. She was freaking cute and nice features except for some belly blubber. She had some promising real massage skills and had the potential to be the real deal, but she was disinterested and kept texting with one hand while massaging with the other throughout, until I finally told her to put the fucking phone away, which she did. She offered extra services, including FS, but negotiations broke down for some reason I can't remember. I think she wanted 500 k fuck that. And she wouldn't do BB. Things went cold and I ended up leaving disgruntled with no tip. There were some cute receptionists at the hotel desk, one super flirtatious. Would rather have done her. Anyways wouldn't waste my time with either HI (expensive 400+k) or Mustika (cheap) massages.

And between PH and Indo, all in room massages were a joke, same lame massage and predictable offer of extra services with the curtains closed and "don't tell anyone. " I did get one damned good legit massage at Kokuo (varous locations but need to travel). Ended up with a dude masseuse and not gay. No shenanigans and came away fully recovered. I would go back to Kokuo for real massages, and call ahead to make sure they got space. Around 300 k.

I went exploring on a weekend evening, intending to just settle for a Kings Cross shag but ended up visiting 4 spots that night.

Kings Cross & Travel Fly By.

Sat eve traffic is a be*itch (why the fuck can't we just write the words normally on this site, wtf), but it ended up taking only an extra 15 minutes to get to Kelapa Gading. I had high hopes for KC from all the glowing reports I have seen. But getting there around 8, I found it to be a total joke. At reception, they told me the entrance fee is now 140 k, only payable if you don't take a girl, waived if you take a girl, no drink included. That sounds higher than other reports and I'm an easy newbie target, so I went in. The ground floor lounge was dead and I found the layout to be stupid. The 30 girls are all just sitting at tables in an unlit back area and the customer sofas face away from them, wtf. There were a few Chinese and Korean dudes at a couple tables so I got a chance to see their lineups and was unimpressed from the start. The girls in all 4 price levels were homely. They have a couple mamasans there now, and the one was fairly nice to me but no English. She brought me 3 lineups of different levels and I only saw 1 girl that was even a maybe for me. You know you're in the wrong place when you start feeling sorry for the girls you hope to abominate when they lineup for you. The Chinese / Korean guys ran off with freakin fuglies. But at least KC had good cold Carlsberg draft on tap, so it wasn't all lost. The 3rd floor band was going to start at 9 but it was completely empty so I left KC after 15 min. Total was 210 k (140 k entrance plus 70 k beer). Total waste of time and funds.

It was still before 9 and I wanted to check out other spots so swung past Travel. I was hoping for a quiet joint like 1001 or EMP but at the entrance of Travel I heard the crazy techno music thumping and wasn't in the mood, so hopped a Grab bike on to Royal VIP, thinking that would be quiet. Weaving through the lanes just above Loksari was quite cool, and I saw plenty of FLs standing on the side, some not unattractive.

Royal VIP.

To my surprise, Royal VIP lounge turned out to be f'ing loud too (didn't go to KTV floors) with DJ music pounding and girls just sitting at high tables in the corner. 25 girls sitting around. There really wasn't much to choose from and you can't get a good look when they just sit hovering over their devices. 1 table of Chinese gents called a couple lineups and ran off with some almost attractive girls. Mamasans were completely ignoring me and it took me a long time to realize that here you just got to be bold and walk straight up to the den of hens, walk around and survey them. I only discovered this when I saw some Chinese guys walk into VIP and dive straight into the crowd without even blinking.

I myself lost out on the one nice shorty I saw at Royal VIP because another guy just walked up and pointed her out to Mama in a flash. Fuck some of you guys have grown antennae! I don't know how you do it so fast. Yeah guess I'm just a dumb shit. Chinese and Korean guys don't have any problem with it. They just jump right into the pack and unabashedly survey the talent up close, then walk away or call one out as they feel. Following their lead, I dove into the flock once but didn't find my jewel and fled. Royal VIP had small bottles of Hoegaarden at 108 k, so I just finished a couple and left, no entrance fee, wanting to check out Royal again on the other Kota Indah street.

Royal (New Royal Bar).

Seems there is a little confusion about names and locations for this place. Some dudes refer to a Royal and some to a New Royal Bar. It looks to me like they are one in the same. Someone said before the New Royal is across from Travel, which is not right. But if you google New Royal Bar, it shows a different location 5 minutes from the Royal at KI complex, half way between Royal & Travel and up a bit. I think that is a Google Maps error, unless someone here knows of a 2nd New Royal Bar. (If you look at the photos of the New Royal Bar on Google Maps you'll see it's the same bar as Royal inside.) Anyway the receipt I got from Royal clearly says "New Royal" on top, so I guess these names are interchangeable for the same place.

Royal VIP was a joke but New Royal was fucking hot. So many girls, must have been 50, and lots of decent lookers, bodies, and spinners. On Saturdays the Royal girls wear uniform, very slinky black nightgowns, but short and cutoff just below the waist. Super hot and revealing. The thing with Royal and Royal VIP is that you got to be proactive and can't be shy. There were lots of younger Indo dudes in the place that were too shy to do that. The girls are all packed in one spot and aren't doing much to show themselves. Mamas won't bug you but then they don't approach you and lead the way either.

My first request for a petite spinner turned me down. Would not even look at me wtf. But lots of others were inviting me with eyes the longer I stayed. Tons of local dudes there but few acted. Maybe they were waiting for late night bargains?

Waited, dove into the pack, walked back to my stool, eyed some more, and did this over a few times and must have passed an hour. Then, BOOM! OMFG this 20 yo, 163 cm, 45 kg hottie with not an ounce of fat on the body was standing and smiling at me. Big smile with nice teeth. She was the only girl in the group smiling at all. I invited her to my spot and she was very nice. When I asked her at the table if I could kiss her everywhere she just smiled and nodded. I knew it was going to be fun, so off we went upstairs, and it was unforgettable.

Went to a room just above the bar. Quite a trip to fuck with the music pounding downstairs. In the past I couldn't really concentrate in those kinds of places (like Pattaya soi 6), but at Royal this was the first time it didn't bother me. Her body was so fucking amazing and she loved DATY. Skinny with huge jugs. 5 of her 45 kg must have been tits alone. Natural firm huge, tiny waistline almost put my hands around while fucking her later from behind. After my tongue and BBBJ got us going, she said get a condom. And when I asked for BBFS she said she would only do it for a 500 k tip. I said fucking hell yeah and IDGAF what any bros here think it was out of this world hot. Ramming away in so many positions and hearing her squeaking above the loud music below. Was a bit drunk too, so we both really let go.

Chatted away after shooting. She's been in Jakarta 3 months from Central Java. Her English actually could manage and she will be good at it later. When the 10 minute call came I started licking her buttocks and back and she got super horny again. She started gyrating hips into my little bro and wanted me to pronebone her. But I needed more time and it was late and already slightly drunk so didn't ask for session 2. (I was guessing it would have been 900 more for BBFS and bar fee. I didn't want to discuss it at that moment but it would have been worth it if I could have managed.) Total bill 710 K for 1 HR of fantastic kicking / scratching / biting / squealing sex (400 k), 2 beers, this pitcher of crazy Yakult and Soju mix she ordered (fucking good and strong) (310 k) plus 500 k BBFS = 1. 2 or $75 for an amazing girl. Royal, or New Royal, or whatever the fuck its called will be at the top of my budget and party joint list next time.

Thats all my reports for August. More to come on the next sexpedition.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2942317]

Chatted away after shooting. She's been in Jakarta 3 months from Central Java. Her English actually could manage and she will be good at it later. When the 10 minute call came I started licking her buttocks and back and she got super horny again. She started gyrating hips into my little bro and wanted me to pronebone her. But I needed more time and it was late and already slightly drunk so didn't ask for session 2. (I was guessing it would have been 900 more for BBFS and bar fee. I didn't want to discuss it at that moment but it would have been worth it if I could have managed.) Total bill 710 K for 1 HR of fantastic kicking / scratching / biting / squealing sex (400 k), 2 beers, this pitcher of crazy Yakult and Soju mix she ordered (fucking good and strong) (310 k) plus 500 k BBFS = 1. 2 or $75 for an amazing girl. Royal, or New Royal, or whatever the fuck its called will be at the top of my budget and party joint list next time.

Thats all my reports for August. More to come on the next sexpedition.[/QUOTE]FYI, you can take a girl to your hotel for 800 k for 3 hrs.

Same deal should apply for LA, sari ayu, not sure for starmoon or MTR.

Hi.

I'm planning to visit Jakarta in October.

Can you please share pickup bars or nightclubs where you can take the girls back to the hotel similar to Bangkok Pattaya?

What are the ST and LT costs?

Thanks.

Planning to visit in October.

Are there any Pick up bars and nightclubs where the freelancers hangout and can be taken back to the hotel? Similar to Bangkok and Pattaya.

What are the ST and LT costs?

[QUOTE=JSmithJ88;2942385]FYI, you can take a girl to your hotel for 800 k for 3 hrs.

Same deal should apply for LA, sari ayu, not sure for starmoon or MTR.[/QUOTE]Good to know, thanks. I guess that earns you extra rewards, as well? So you get 2 or 3 shots in those 3 hrs? That's an added incentive for Kota Indah in my book.

Forgot to mention in my report for New Royal and Starmoon, I had to pay up for girl / drinks / tax at the cashier before heading upstairs, unlike Classic /1001/ EMP where you pay as you leave. This might slip through in the info gathering for other new dudes.

Also want to add to the discussion of cash vs. Credit card, I only paid cash at one joint the entire month and took extra security precautions. Just checked my credit card and hotel group rewards points: earned double the normal amount for payments made while traveling abroad. Shit did my rewards points rack up this summer. Its going to pay for an extra week of debauchery somewhere. Maybe ISG should sponsor a new Visa Platinum card earning 5 X points at participating brothels with a marketing campaign: "Mongering has its privileges. " LOL.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2941985]Great reports bro, I'm definitely a Jakarta convert too.

On the tinder / civvie game I find that video call probably is unnecessary, I normally call a girl out to a nice coffee shop near my place. If she is a catfish, no damage done & I tell her I have to go back to my hotel urgently to wash my hair or sth. Conversely if a girl asks me for a video call I would probably reject them as well because it's just a bit heavy before first meeting.

My favourite was Classic, I wouldn't worry too much about the MMS. I just sit there and chill & they don't bother me too much.[/QUOTE]I hear you. I have done your trick with coming up with an excuse when meeting them out too. I would just say I need to go to the loo or make a quick phone call outside then run for it. Fuck they know its their fault for sending bogus pics, so no apologies needed.

Just that I have gotten so skeptical about catfishing (which I now regard as the overwhelming norm rather than the exception) that I can't even be fucked to schedule the meeting at the nearby coffee shop. And its the same everywhere. Just in the last 2 days in my new Asian location a few girls agreed to video call right away and fuck they were like 20 years older than their profile pics. 1 almost made me f'in puke, and she was disgusting, kind of picking her boogers out of her nose. She had almost fooled me with photos of a hot 28 year old. Others were the same, just about 25 pounds heavier than profile pics. So the balance has tipped for me and I am happy to agree to a brief video call if they request it.

I also prefer the video call also because the moment I see they bear no resemblance to photos I can just click the call off with my thumb, block them in a matter of seconds and forget them in less than a minute.

But I will say that I think Indo girls in Jakarta deserve a better chance than I gave them, so I plan to ease up next visit and give the tdr / michat game a proper try. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2942540]New Royal and Starmoon, I had to pay up for girl / drinks / tax at the cashier before heading upstairs, unlike Classic /1001/ EMP where you pay as you leave. [/QUOTE]This must be new at Classic. I have always paid the 400k up front at Classic and Travel before I take a girl to the room. You pay for your drinks when you leave. I prefer it this way especially if I take a few girls in a night. Don't need some additional charges when I leave. Likely won't happen at Classic or Travel but start going to some of the smaller local bars that aren't reviewed on here and you likely don't want to run a tab.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2942540]Good to know, thanks. I guess that earns you extra rewards, as well? So you get 2 or 3 shots in those 3 hrs? Thats an added incentive for Kota Indah in my book.

Also want to add to the discussion of cash vs. Credit card, I only paid cash at one joint the entire month and took extra security precautions. Just checked my credit card and hotel group rewards points: earned double the normal amount for payments made while traveling abroad. Shit did my rewards points rack up this summer. Its going to pay for an extra week of debauchery somewhere. Maybe ISG should sponsor a new Visa Platinum card earning 5 X points at participating brothels with a marketing campaign: "Mongering has its privileges. " LOL.[/QUOTE]

I have read where dudes got multiple shots off.
But ultimately, that's between you and the girl.
I've taken 2 different chicks for the 3 HR sessions.
Both chicks, I had multiple sessions prior to having them come to my room.
Each time it was just 1 shot for me and that's all I wanted.
For one of the chicks we spent the rest of the time eating, talking and had a fun photoshoot.
The other chick fell asleep and ended up staying till morning.

When I first arrived in Jakarta, I didn't know you could pay with credit.
So I always had a giant wad of cash on me.
Once I started using credit, I just carry some cash for tips.

I think what he meant was the drink, smoke, lady drink bills to pay before exiting at Classic and Travel. We still got to pay upfront for the girls before taking them upstairs.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2942601]This must be new at Classic. I have always paid the 400k up front at Classic and Travel before I take a girl to the room. You pay for your drinks when you leave. I prefer it this way especially if I take a few girls in a night. Don't need some additional charges when I leave. Likely won't happen at Classic or Travel but start going to some of the smaller local bars that aren't reviewed on here and you likely don't want to run a tab.[/QUOTE]

Attached a photo of mega ayu pricing, which is probably broadly representative of what you get across KI.

BTW, Classic Terminal 5 is reported as open. Same pricing as T2.

[QUOTE=NuttinSerious;2942782]Attached a photo of mega ayu pricing, which is probably broadly representative of what you get across KI.

BTW, Classic Terminal 5 is reported as open. Same pricing as T2.[/QUOTE]Do you know what this Include/Xclude charade is about? Are the prices room inclusive or not?

[QUOTE=JSmithJ88;2942641]I have read where dudes got multiple shots off.
But ultimately, that's between you and the girl.
I've taken 2 different chicks for the 3 HR sessions.
Both chicks, I had multiple sessions prior to having them come to my room.
Each time it was just 1 shot for me and that's all I wanted.
For one of the chicks we spent the rest of the time eating, talking and had a fun photoshoot.
The other chick fell asleep and ended up staying till morning.

When I first arrived in Jakarta, I didn't know you could pay with credit.
So I always had a giant wad of cash on me.
Once I started using credit, I just carry some cash for tips.[/QUOTE]In that case, I would want to get the number of shots clearly negotiated with both girl and mama beforehand if 800 k is paid to bar. Otherwise, I can't see the immediate benefit of 3 hours, unless you're dying for GFE and prefer a quiet room. If the girl is hot enough its too easy to cum in the first 30 minutes, and then what do you do. (Photoshoot would add to the fun.).

On the other hand, GFE and slower motion in a quiet, private space would be extremely appealing if it involved 2 shots. Then you can empty balls, eat / chat / recover and go for another teeth gnashing session the final hour. That 2nd session could well be the highlight of the century. But I'm not likely to have multiple sessions elsewhere throughout the day beforehand, so I get it that you wanted to have a chill 3 hours.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2942601]This must be new at Classic. I have always paid the 400k up front at Classic and Travel before I take a girl to the room. You pay for your drinks when you leave. I prefer it this way especially if I take a few girls in a night. Don't need some additional charges when I leave. Likely won't happen at Classic or Travel but start going to some of the smaller local bars that aren't reviewed on here and you likely don't want to run a tab.[/QUOTE]I double checked my Classic invoice and it was all paid together as I left. I dunno if this was normal or not.

Agreed that it was nice at Starmoon and Royal to just walk back downstairs and straight out the door after the deed without having to deal with bill.

[QUOTE=NuttinSerious;2942782]BTW, Classic Terminal 5 is reported as open. Same pricing as T2.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information.

You say that pricing is the same, but is T5 a copy of the T2 setup, or is there some difference between T2 and T5 other than the location?

I read an old post that said that the girls had uniforms in T5.

Gonz0.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2941826]Only Vendelo can confirm this for us. When I originally read his post I was shocked to read there were 90+ girls at 3 pm on Level 5. I rarely go to Level 5 and haven't been since maybe 2017 or 2018 so never questioned the post.[/QUOTE]Sorry guys. I took the elevator so I guess I went to T2?

Appearance was bit different but it's the same group of girls that rotates bet T2 & T5. T2 being the highest in number.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2942834]Thanks for the information.

You say that pricing is the same, but is T5 a copy of the T2 setup, or is there some difference between T2 and T5 other than the location?

I read an old post that said that the girls had uniforms in T5.

Gonz0.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XXL;2942796]Do you know what this Include/Xclude charade is about? Are the prices room inclusive or not?[/QUOTE]From looking at the price structure it looks like the xclude part at the bottom is probably outcall especially since it shows times from late night to 10 am with higher prices for more hours.

My guess is the top section is in-call and bottom section is out-call.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2942870]Appearance was bit different but it's the same group of girls that rotates bet T2 & T5. T2 being the highest in number.[/QUOTE]A lot of the girls rotate from Spa to the ground floor club also after midnight. There are only so many girls and mamas working in Classic. Illusion of choice only. There are still hundreds of girls, it doesn't really matter where you find them. Your experience is going to be the same more or less, depends mostly on the girl, not the venue you find her.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2942842]Sorry guys. I took the elevator so I guess I went to T2?[/QUOTE]Based on the sign I am attaching, I went to T2 because I took the escalator and I went at 4:19 pm based on pic metadata.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2942953]My guess is the top section is in-call and bottom section is out-call.[/QUOTE]4 juta (258 USD) for 24 hours. That's a good price. I have no one at KI I would do that with but definitely have one at Classic I wouldn't get bored of over 24 hours.

Notice the outcall hours (except 24 hours) all say the girls need to be back at the bar by 10 am the following morning. Guess that way they can get a few hours sleep before starting work again at 3 pm.

If you didn't go up like 3 small steps to get in and didn't see the USS Enterprise-D mural on the wall when exiting, you were in T2.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2942842]Sorry guys. I took the elevator so I guess I went to T2?[/QUOTE]

Spot on. A large quantity brings more choices leads to expected better quality, hopefully! IMHO, nothing beats the Terminal 2 form all aspects.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2943078]A lot of the girls rotate from Spa to the ground floor club also after midnight. There are only so many girls and mamas working in Classic. Illusion of choice only. There are still hundreds of girls, it doesn't really matter where you find them. Your experience is going to be the same more or less, depends mostly on the girl, not the venue you find her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2942953]From looking at the price structure it looks like the xclude part at the bottom is probably outcall especially since it shows times from late night to 10 am with higher prices for more hours.

My guess is the top section is in-call and bottom section is out-call.[/QUOTE]Thats how I read it too. Top section is on site, bottom section is takeaway off site. For onsite they don't care if you go to a room or just hangout and discuss crypto investments over bintang, price is per hour.

[QUOTE=NuttinSerious;2943242]Thats how I read it too. Top section is on site, bottom section is takeaway off site. For onsite they don't care if you go to a room or just hangout and discuss crypto investments over bintang, price is per hour.[/QUOTE]I'm going to be there pretty soon, I'm starting to get a little bored here in Thailand LOL. Anyways I've now decided against staying at classic hotel and I think I want to stay in a girl-friendly hotel or airbnb that's walking distance to Kotah Inda Complex but still close enough to take a gojek moto to classic and travel. I also think I want to be close to an MRT station as I'm going to want to hop on the metro and explore the city while I'm there too.

I'm looking forward to Jakarta.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2942834]I read an old post that said that the girls had uniforms in T5.[/QUOTE]No uniforms.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2943233]IMHO, nothing beats the Terminal 2 from all aspects.[/QUOTE]Wrong for me. Terminal 2 I have to move to 4 different tables to see all the girls versus 2 different tables in Terminal 5. Most T5 tables you can see the girls. Though many are at a far distance. About 40% of the tables in T2 you can not see any girls at all (near the bar). T5 the lights are a bit brighter on the girls so better viewing. T5 no billiards. T2 I think there are 5 billiard tables. I am there for the girls so the billiard tables mean nothing to me. Bonus! T5 has all new towels and bed / pillow cases.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2941826]Only Vendelo can confirm this for us. When I originally read his post I was shocked to read there were 90+ girls at 3 pm on Level 5. [/QUOTE]Wrong. I can confirm this. I was there opening night (Wednesday 4th) and the next night and today. All the girls handing out the numbered bracelets say T2 opens 2:00 PM and T5 opens 6:00 PM.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2942317]Weaving through the lanes just above Loksari was quite cool, and I saw plenty of FLs standing on the side, some not unattractive.[/QUOTE]You saw girls standing along a street so that makes them FLs? The FL are near impossible to spot driving by. They are not lined up against a wall facing you or dressed in sexy tight clothes or high heels. They are dressed like everyone else in everyday clothing. You did not see them near KFC Locasari because that area is gated for paid parking. The few girls that sometimes are out along the busy road in front are not along the road. You would have to be able to see through street vendors and parked cars to see them. Even walking past it is not very easy to tell if they are FL or if they are pretty. I have walked from Indah Kota to Lokasari many times taking different routes and not seen any other locations with FL. The most FLs I saw on the main street and near the KFC was 15 total during Ramadan. After Ramadan most of the girls on the main street disappeared with only the KFC girls remaining. You are full of it!

XXXXXX.

StarMoon girl screwed me over. She was making "oww" sound like was hurting her almost immediately and lasted 5 minutes before I said fine let's do doggie. Tells me she can not do doggie it hurts her side. So I said fine let's do missionary and she says hurry it hurts before I even got near her again. Jumped up. Threw the condom on the ground and started to get dressed. She grabbed me several times saying "sorry sorry" but I was pissed. The way she was grabbing at me I assume she will get into some kinda of trouble. I am a small guy and it was only 7:20 so doubt she had had a lot or any customers that day. Continuing even with her saying "please" would still feel a bit rappy / rapish to me. I picked out another girl. No free girl replacement or discount when I spoke to the manager so I sent the new girl back. I explained the next girl can do the same thing to me. 5 minutes of sex and complain I am hurting her. I told him, "FKKK this place!" and left. She is the smallest or one of the smallest girls in the group sitting on the right side.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2943355]Wrong. I can confirm this. I was there opening night (Wednesday 4th) and the next night and today. All the girls handing out the numbered bracelets say T2 opens 2:00 PM and T5 opens 6:00 PM.[/QUOTE]Why did you quote me? I wasn't the one who made the post! I was only stating what another poster said. Why not quote him?

My post states I was surprised that T5 was open early because I know in the past it opened later than T2. You confirmed my initial reaction so thank you for stating I was right.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2943126]4 juta (258 USD) for 24 hours. That's a good price. I have no one at KI I would do that with but definitely have one at Classic I wouldn't get bored of over 24 hours.

Notice the outcall hours (except 24 hours) all say the girls need to be back at the bar by 10 am the following morning. Guess that way they can get a few hours sleep before starting work again at 3 pm.[/QUOTE]Really? For $250 all night (4 jt) you can get really hot girls who speak english and are educated from sites like SA. I wouldn't know what to do with a Classic girl for 2 hours, let alone 24!

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2943355]No uniforms.

You saw girls standing along a street so that makes them FLs? The FL are near impossible to spot driving by. They are not lined up against a wall facing you or dressed in sexy tight clothes or high heels. They are dressed like everyone else in everyday clothing. You did not see them near KFC Locasari because that area is gated for paid parking. The few girls that sometimes are out along the busy road in front are not along the road. You would have to be able to see through street vendors and parked cars to see them. Even walking past it is not very easy to tell if they are FL or if they are pretty. I have walked from Indah Kota to Lokasari many times taking different routes and not seen any other locations with FL. The most FLs I saw on the main street and near the KFC was 15 total during Ramadan. After Ramadan most of the girls on the main street disappeared with only the KFC girls remaining. You are full of it![/QUOTE]Thanks for implanting loads of your own subjective presumptions into my report. I can't find anything from my original text that says anything about KFC / clothing / parking gate or being lined up against a wall. Where the f*ck did I say that? If you are unable to find any of the specific references you made in my report, then who is full of it?

I just made an (overly) casual comment "and I saw plenty of FLs standing on the side, some not unattractive. " It was on Jl. Mangga Besar IX in the area before and after Lokasari square. It was night, I was on the back of a bike and there were street vendors. But there was plenty of light and plenty of space for them to stand apart from the vendors. I saw probably a total of 10 girls (didn't count, but you yourself said you saw 15 during Ramadan in exactly that area.) spaced out between vendors within the range of a block or 2. They were standing alone or in pairs alongside the lane doing nothing but looking at mobile phones. No lineups, sexy tight clothes, or high heels, as your own fantasy suggests. They were wearing decent casual clothes (just as you say they would be wearing) and some did look pretty (the main reason they caught my horny attention) as I slowly passed within a few feet of them. (Your expertise should confirm that it is a narrow lane.).

Am I sure they were FLs? Fuck no. The first few did not strike me as anything special, and they might have just been waiting for their boyfriends. It wasn't until I kept seeing more of them as I passed that I thought they might be FLs since other than the vendors, there were no grannies, dudes, school kids or other civilians standing along the road at that time.

So I will go ahead and correct myself: I saw a number of girls standing on the side who looked to me like they might be FLs, some not unattractive. But I do not have experience picking up FLs from Jakarta streets.

Yeah I am full of shit but in the bigger picture of the report I filed it doesn't seem all that critical.

I still can't understand why everyone insists on posting reviews almost exclusively on Classic and Emporium when there are dozens and dozens of places in Jakarta, many of which are of higher quality and often lower cost. Browsing Telegram and Instagram I found dozens of Bars, lounges and spas with prices ranging from 500 to 800 IDR for 90/120 minutes of fun with young and beautiful girls, but here you read almost exclusively about Classic and Emporium and this leaves me somewhat perplexed. I wouldn't want us to be in the presence of "hidden sponsors".

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2942275]Most girls around the planet are 1-2 pops and no more. You act as if you get 4-7 pops regularly. I have to call BS on that even of you are paying a lot of money.

Why on earth do you feel the need to keep mentioning Magnum Bareskin? Are you a sales rep or think guys here are impressed?

No idea how long you with the girl but if you could not cum because you were tired you should have given at least a little money. If she was being difficult then good for you. Rare I do not tip but happened last week when she was doing a bunch of little stupid stuff to kill the mood and flow of the game. Like on purpose.[/QUOTE]Further clouding of facts from LIH69. Lets take a look at what I really said in the original post:

"This was my 2nd punt of the day, and I have unpredictable performance habits. If I'm with 1 girl all night I tend to be non-stop like 4-7 times in 1 night stand. If I have civvy dates, I can manage an early evening shag and go out and do it again with date number 2 the same night but that 2nd shag is iffy at best. But I can't seem to manage multiple punts at different establishments in a given day like a lot of the dynamo dudes on ISG can. Fuck I wish I could. Anyway I had to piss in the middle of the session and put a new Magnum Bareskin on but gave up during the 2nd condom as I couldn't cum and quickly left with no tip."

Who the fuck said anything about 4-7 pops with the girl at Starmoon? I was describing basically the same shitty situation that LIH describes in his own post "StarMoon girl screwed me over. " Read your own shit and get past your f'ing hypocrisy. I needed to take a leak in the middle of the 1 hour session I paid for because of the beer I paid for and was drinking in the bar. 1 minute break. But as I said I left early because she was a starfish with a shitty attitude (just like your Starmoon debacle).

Let me translate for LIH: I have serious inconsistency with my sexual performance. In some situations I can perform like superman and in lots of others I have a weak dick. I envy all the guys on ISG who can perform like dynamos anytime / anywhere with any kind of condom and many times a day. I cannot. I have mentioned in another posts that I am only medium size but still bigger than most condoms that Asian WGs have on hand allow comfort for. Magnum Bareskin is the one I prefer to carry because it is more comfortable in size and sensitivity.

Does LIH think this might be relevant for any other dudes on ISG who may not have tried this condom before? Does LIH try to make helpful suggestions to other bros on this site? Yeah he often does, and so do I. I would rather not use condoms at all or wish that a completely natural feeling condom could be developed because condom use severely affects my sexual performance and enjoyment.

LIH said in his latest post: "I am a small guy". Neither I nor any ISG bros are responsible for your size big or small, so spare us the Napoleonic complex and pay attention to details and nuance. Or you might take advantage of ISGs "Ignore" function, as I am doing more of these days.