Medellin would be very interesting...
RTW,
I would love to visit Medellin with you. But, one question...this is what keeps me close to home more than I would like. I have Cingular cell phone service what works in Mexico, quite well actually. I can return calls, make calls to the USA, etc...Do you know what the situation is in Medellin with regard to Cingular cell phone service? If my phone works well there, then I would seriously consider going with you. I will probably use some frequent flyer miles on Continental, which means I would fly into Houston from my home town, and then on to Medellin. I think Continental has regular service to Medellin, and that, logistically, it's the best schedule for visiting Colombia. I have been to Cartegena before, but I flew through San Jose, Costa Rica, then on to CTG through Panama. That works pretty well, but last time I went to Colombia, I was stopping off in San Jose for a day before I continued on to CTG because it broke-up the amount of time in the air. Plus, back a couple of years ago when I was visiting Costa Rica and CTG, I also had a HOT stripper girl in San Jose that I liked to visit. Anyway, if we go to Medellin, the direct flights from Houston make the detour to San Jose unnecessary. I don't know about Cali. I think there may be more direct flights available to Cali these days too through Continental. I hear that Cali has a pretty good outcall and "terma" scene, similar to Rio, but slightly different. So, Cali might be interesting as well.
I know this is the Mexico forum, but give me your impressions of Medellin to peak my interest further.
[QUOTE=Round the World]USB, I've got a ticket booked for Medellin, Colombia for May 7-10. It'll be my second trip and I be more than happy to show you the ropes, mi amigo.
Wasted, I was kidding about the Au Pair route. But it is actually a legit route. In my neighborhood, an au pair just arrived from Mexico. There are five or six licensed agencies in the US that source girls from Mexico, Thailand, Brazil etc. (hmm that is a conspicuous combination of countries isn't it?)
If you ever want to contemplate the possibilities check it out... NAAAT! It cracks me up when X says that, which she does... a lot.
As for my most recent trip, last week, I had a mixed time. The previous trip was too great (meeting the three amigos, hanging with Wasted's girls at Taboo, and meeting my Obsession girl) I should have known this would be a let down.
It wasn't a total loss however. Carlos kindly let my Obsession girl know I was coming back to town for a night and tentatively arranged another unofficial salida. I arrived ahead of schedule so Carlos picked me up and we headed to Obsession. There Carlos sat with his A girl and I with my girl. I tried to get her to stay out late, but she said she couldn't. We chatted some more, and after a while her face lit up and she said, ok she can stay out late. My plan was to take her out for dinner and maybe dancing in Barrio Antiguo per Wasted's suggestion before retreating to my hotel suite for a blissful night. We agreed on a time a place to meet and Carlos and I bid the girls adieu.
Carlos dropped me at Infinito to while away the hours until my rendezvous. I wanted to see the girls I had fun with last week. Many were there, J, X, I, P, S, etc. I didn't really want to mess around with the girls since I already had a date planned. Bu tI did want to chat. So I said hi to X, who surprisingly was nicer to me this week than she was last week. She of course said she missed Wasted (who wouldn't?) and we sat and had a couple beers. I really wanted to see her friend P, whom I think is super hot. But P had the guys lining up and I only got to chat with her briefly. Too bad, I had to run to meet my date.
We met and headed off to Barrio Antiguo and found one of the few restaurants there. Lots of clubs, but few restaurants. This was on the corner from the park separating the Barrio from the Sheraton part of town. It was decent food and had a live band. I was having fun learning about my girl, her family life, her pre-club life etc. This girl is very pretty, fantastic body, and an honest person. She's new to the club business and retains a good girl attitude. After dinner we walked back to the Sheraton and had some nice chocolate fresas that the staff had delivered to my room.
Then I called her over to the desk where my computer sat, and asked her to choose the music. As she leaned over, we kissed, then embraced, then kissed some more and then the clothes started flying. Eventually I cleared the desk and feasted on her nude form atop the desk. After maybe 30 minutes, I picked her up and carried her to the bedroom and laid her down. At this point she saw the clock and looked a little panicked and said that she had to get home to her dad in 10 minutes (12:30am). I was stunned. I had assumed we had plenty of time. I trusted her enough not to bullshit me, but this was over the top. She looked really sorry, but dressed quickly. At the door, she said next time would be gratis. I think I still had a frown on my face and kissed her goodbye.
I sat around for a while feeling the blues. Then reflexively headed out for Matehuala, Givenchy and Infinito to waste the rest of the night away. I was in a dark mood and thought of the Billy Strayhorn song, Lush Life.
Romance is mush
Stifling those who strive
I'll live a lush life
In some small dive
And there I'll be
while I rot with the rest
Of those whose lives are lonely too...
We'll see where things lead next time with girl.
RtW[/QUOTE]
I knew you would be disappointed in me...
I know it's foolish for them to know too much, but when they snap your picture because they want to gaze upon your handsome face and chiseled muscular (clothed) physique (hardy har har), and you're standing across the room, unaware of their intentions, there isn't much you can do. I couldn't very well back hand her across the face and snatch the phone out of her hand, verdad! :-)
And, when your luggage has your name plasted all over it, and she just looks at it out of curiosity, what can you do? Plus, she is sure that I know her full name, taking great pains that I remember her full name, hinting that we have some kind of lasting bond...and, foolishly, I guess we do...at least for now.
Of course, your advice is correct, and I agree with it completely. I just hope I won't live to regret trusting "G." She has hidden things from me, things that I have discoverd were...well, not lies, but deceptions. They were deceptions designed to keep me from being jealous of her, and to maintain my lofty opinion of her. Deceptions that she eventually had to explain fully. I believe her, but with tempered judgemnt. I never totally accept the explanations of a bar girl as being 100% truthful.
I think she really does value our "relationship," at least at this juncture. But, the lesson I've learned from Angry Girl is just how quickly things can turn ugly...then what??? right?
I hope my "relationship" with "G" will last a while, but I have this feeling she will possibly become disenchanted with putting legitimate effort into a deadend relationship, even if we both have deep affection for each other.
In an effort to keep from hurting her, and because she is my close friend, I have already set her straight as to the potential for any future anything with me.
I already sense that she is weighing the wisdom of time invested with no potential legitimate payback. She has already told me that she believes that she herself is crazy, but that she can't help it. It's kind of nice being the object of such legitimate affection, but I do not expect this to last much longer.
On the other hand, were I in a position to legitimize what we have, I would be extremely reluctant to do so, for no other reason than her work history at El Infinito, and her willingness to get what she needs in life by selling her body. But, were she a legitimate "good girl," with no bar girl background, she would be one hell of a great girlfriend. I have never received quite the level of affection from any other bar girl, not Worldwide. So, when it ends, I will feel the loss.
Que Lastima...but, on the other hand, if it ends, I am free once again, right? I have everything to gain, and nothing to lose, unless of course she is setting me up, which I doubt. I just hope when it's all over and done with, we will be good friends, and that things will not go as they did with Angry Girl.
But, honestly, I don't want it to end...I like it too much!
[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]What the hell is this????
Iam really dissapointed to read this:
"Take "G" for example. She knows my full name, and has my photo on her cell phone, knows the City and State where I live, etc...She knows these things not because I gave them to her. She just saw my name on my luggage tags, took my photo with her cell phone, and has certain information about me through innocent conversation, etc..."
My friend, I know you trust G but you know quite well that in this day and age every bit of information can not be left to random possibilites just like that.
You have an idea of how many times the bar girls lose their phones???
You have an idea how they exchange information between themselves?
Just yesterday I got to the Infinito... one of the girls I say hello too, told me the following: "wow, "B" told me you are hot, f***g hot... and look at you, who would ever think that you had so many girlfriends, blah blah etc etc..."
I went on the spot and told my "B" girl why in hell did she tell all that to that run-of-the-mill girl... she just answered "just idle chat on the lineup".
IDLE CHAT!!!
My friend USB, I thought we already had I nice chat about that... you pretty well know how information flies within the walls of the Infi....[/QUOTE]
We are absolute beginners ....
But we're absolutely sane. That's what David bowie said. One of my favorite songs.
No USB. I am crazy, yes. But in no way am I stupid. No, X will never enter my house. No way in hell. No, no y no.
To my surprise, someone is sending me a link on how to get an Au Pair. LOL. I laughed so hard. That is funny.
OK. Now back to your trip. Do I have the itch? Nope. Funny how things are shaping for me. When I think of MTY now, I think of my girls. I haven't started to miss them yet. Oddly, when I think of MTY, I have a line up. I no longer have a girl in the Obsession. I never had any in Prestige (Carlos, you are correct. No regulars for me there) and I had enough of my "S". I fulfilled my fantasy with "P" and it will be a while until I start missing "X". So there. I may start to get the itch soon. But for now, I am not looking at any dates. Although Mr. "L" is tempting me with his 'When' inquiries.
The solution would probably be getting me new girls. Remember our 'Familiarity and Addiction' discussion. It is way too much work to start a new relationship with those girls. I stick to the ones I know but now it is getting too old. I am dazed & confused.
USB, did you really think I would bring "X" to my hometown, yet alone to my house? You must be crazy to believe such and idea. Carlos never replied to my questions knowing fully well that the entire idea is just simply..... absurd.
And, I think you are worse than me. You are more frequently going down than I am. For a while, I thought I was the most frequent visitor to MTY but you've proved me wrong. I think the only one gaining here is Carlos. He is good company and I know he enjoys being with us because he is a good friend. I think you should slow down USB.
Wasted
[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]WastedG, perhaps you are joking about bringing your "X" girl here...If so, please disreagard my comments...but,
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Things were getting old...
No, WastedG, I figured that you were merely joking about your "X" girl. But, the potential that these girls could start to infiltrate into the States has very real potential as the job market and immigration policy continues to change between the US and Mexico. The politics of immigration in both countries is in a State of flux.
With regard to your title "We are absolute beginners...," I do not agree. Personally, I think we are growing tired of the environment because we are absolute veterans, old soldiers that are growing tired.
Regardling things growing a bit too familiar, and the same old girls becoming "old" for us. I was experiencing the same kind of thing before "G" came along. Until she came along a couple of months ago, I had started to grow a little bored with the girls in Monterrey. I used to look forward to returning because I had one or two particular girls in mind that I really wanted to see again. But, now, if it were not for "G," I would have none. Of course, I always looked forward to visiting with Carlos and my visting amigos in Monterrey. But, let's face it, we are there for the girls.
If the girl are having trouble holding our attention, they are all in for some austere times I fear. Remember, we are taking them on salida, contributing to their bank accounts with easy money, money they enjoy earning because they like being with us. If we leave the market for several months at a time, then they are back to giving their emotionless, cold, clinical table dances and full service in the privados. Remember, their regular clients, even the ones that take them on salida, do not treat them like we do. If we grow tired of them, they are the losers. We can go to any venue, and have any woman we want.
I have visited Monterrey almost every month now for the past five years, usually a week at a time. Of course, I always enjoy Carlos' company, and I thoroughly enjoy meeting new friends, and old ones, from the board.
But, the girls, at least until very recently, were starting to get kind of routine and stale for me. I had even told Carlos that I was going to cut back my visits to maybe once every two or three months, mostly a result of budgetary constraints, but also because I was growing a little tired of the environment.
There has been very little change in Monterrey lately. There aren't many new girls in the clubs. You will find a few now and then, but not too many. I also find the attitude of the girls in the clubs to have gradually changed slightly over the past five years. Maybe it's just me and my perspective on things after visiting so many years, but I thought they were more accomodating five years ago. Carlos says its a generational thing with the girls, and that things will go full circle eventually.
Porker and I were commenting on the very same circumstance when we were having lunch at Prestige last time. Porker actually brought it up, saying that he wished that he would see some new talent, but that every time he comes to the clubs, he sees the same old girls that have been working the bars for five years. I had to agree with him.
That's one reason I am entertaining the idea of going to another venue for a change. It's much more difficult for me to arrange the travel to Asia because of time constraints, and even travel to Central America has it's complications. But, I think a change of pace might be interesting, provided I can logistically arrange it on the home front with some degree of believability as an excuse to travel.
No...I am returning to Monterrey to see "G." She is a good GFE, and she delivers what I like. I figured it will not last forever, so I am returning to capitalize on it while it lasts. Once it's over, or once she tires of me, or visa versa, then I will probably cut back my travel to Monterrey. But for now, I have March and April booked. The month of May might find me in Colombia with RTW, provided I can swing it on the home front.
[QUOTE=Wastedgman]But we're absolutely sane. That's what David bowie said. One of my favorite songs.
No USB. I am crazy, yes. But in no way am I stupid. No, X will never enter my house. No way in hell. No, no y no.
To my surprise, someone is sending me a link on how to get an Au Pair. LOL. I laughed so hard. That is funny.
OK. Now back to your trip. Do I have the itch? Nope. Funny how things are shaping for me. When I think of MTY now, I think of my girls. I haven't started to miss them yet. Oddly, when I think of MTY, I have a line up. I no longer have a girl in the Obsession. I never had any in Prestige (Carlos, you are correct. No regulars for me there) and I had enough of my "S". I fulfilled my fantasy with "P" and it will be a while until I start missing "X". So there. I may start to get the itch soon. But for now, I am not looking at any dates. Although Mr. "L" is tempting me with his 'When' inquiries.
The solution would probably be getting me new girls. Remember our 'Familiarity and Addiction' discussion. It is way too much work to start a new relationship with those girls. I stick to the ones I know but now it is getting too old. I am dazed & confused.
USB, did you really think I would bring "X" to my hometown, yet alone to my house? You must be crazy to believe such and idea. Carlos never replied to my questions knowing fully well that the entire idea is just simply..... absurd.
And, I think you are worse than me. You are more frequently going down than I am. For a while, I thought I was the most frequent visitor to MTY but you've proved me wrong. I think the only one gaining here is Carlos. He is good company and I know he enjoys being with us because he is a good friend. I think you should slow down USB.
Wasted[/QUOTE]
If I were you, I would always be looking over my shoulder...
Good Advice again...but, I do not trust any of them with my true circumstances. It is one of the reasons I keep that informaton close to the vest. As for phone numbers, she only has my "GO" phone number. But, of course, with familiarity, they can, if they are of a devious mind, find out all they want about us. You are in the most danger however because you live in MTY...but, you knew that.
[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]USB says: "Of course, your advice is correct, and I agree with it completely. I just hope I won't live to regret trusting "G." "
Mmmm... trust.
You don't have an idea what is for a working girl calling you home. It happened to me once some 23-25 years ago.
Not just one, several.
I was a bachelor yet, but I had something worse at home, a mother that nearly cut off my balls when she learned what the girls were and what realationship I had with them.
How were they able to reach me? Remember this is a time there were no cell phones so I foolishly gave my number to a couple of them.
This is going to sound not so good, but the word "trust" is not part of the vocabulary I use with the club girls.[/QUOTE]
We are absolute beginners ....
I repeat and I insist .. We are absolute beginners. But we're absolutely sane.
We maybe veterans compared to others, true. But when it comes to knowing it all, I think we have much to learn.
Carlos says: "This is what is happening also to Wasted, but in his case it is ONE GROUP of girls he's stuck with and it has already started to get on his nerves." .. I never really used the phrase 'getting on my nerves'. But now that I think about it. I guess it's true. I know for a fact now that I need me a new line up. It can be from the same place, and why not, but a totally new line. I started going that route a few visits ago, but it did not work out. I was not disappointed, but I was satisfied so I stayed with what I had. Now is the time to get a new flock, if I may use Carlos' word. I have my eyes on 2 girls at the "I" place that I already know and sampled but never fully perused. Although "X" girl is still hot and I have not had my fill with her yet. But I did have my fill with "P" and "S".
And how much do we know? The question is 'How much do we NOT know'? I will never claim that I am an authority on this subject nor will I expect others to be. Although Carlos has got it down to an art. I may not share his taste of women, but he knows how to handle the girls and how to play their games. I think we are far from being the experts and the proof is all the dilemmas we go through. Each one of us has different approach and we all have limited time to bake our cake and eat it. With such limitations, add to it the language barrier, we are still children in a candy store. We do not know what's bad for us. It all looks great on the outside. But we still chose to bite whatever comes our way only to find out that what looked sweet turned out to be sour. Then again, we all have different goals. The 'fun of the experience' is one of my goals but I only hope that biting the wrong apple will not end me up in hell.
Wasted
[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]No no no..
"Maybe it's just me and my perspective on things after visiting so many years, but I thought they were more accomodating five years ago. Carlos says its a generational thing with the girls, and that things will go full circle eventually.
This is what is happening also to Wasted, but in his case it is ONE GROUP of girls he's stuck with and it has already started to get on his nerves.
You guys get it????[/QUOTE]
Things have been stale for a couple of years...
Well, most of those girls working in the Prestige, and yes, even in the Infinito, Matehuela, etc...have been there quite a long time. And, of course, the girls move between clubs as well.
Maybe you are correct with respect to it being less than five years between a transition of girls. And, yes, perhaps it just seems like five years because some of them have been at it a very long time.
I do watch for all my options when I am in the clubs, but frankly, there just aren't too many others that fit my criteria, none that I am particularly interested in. Of course, perhaps you are right, perhaps I need to broaden my horizons. I am open to that, but only where I feel reasonably certain that I will be able to acheive the desired effect without spending gobs of money on girls trying to find out if they are "my" type.
I will admit that even when I traveled to some other venues, the selection in Monterrey with respect to looks was superior. Perhaps the format of the venue, the cost, the attitudes toward todo la noche were not as good, but generally the selection was actually quite good compared to anything worldwide.
With respect to openly dealing with more than one girl. Remember, it is the single damaging element in my "fight" with Angry Girl, who is no longer available to me as a consequence. The initial altercation between us would not have exacerbated into its present form had I not started taking hords of other girls upstairs and bar fining them right under her nose. So, it can backfire. In her case, it doesn't matter to me, but it can cause you to lose the one you are particular "satisfied" with, depending on the girl.
Plus, I realize about myself, that I have certain criteria for "exceptional" GFE that some of you may not seek out, and some of you may not even realize what you may be missing. My problem is that I have sampled and experienced what the world has to offer, in formats where todo la noche is common, and where the girls are significantly more attentive for a lot less money.
I can tell you from first hand experience that Monterrey does not approach this same level of experience compared to other world famous venues with respect to GFE and attitude of the girls, not withstanding price. So, for me, I think I have been spoiled, always seeking out an anomaly within a venue that has few of my "preferred" types of girls and experiences for the money.
[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]No no no..
"Maybe it's just me and my perspective on things after visiting so many years, but I thought they were more accomodating five years ago. Carlos says its a generational thing with the girls, and that things will go full circle eventually.
Porker and I were commenting on the very same circumstance when we were having lunch at Prestige last time. Porker actually brought it up, saying that he wished that he would see some new talent, but that every time he comes to the clubs, he sees the same old girls that have been working the bars for five years. I had to agree with him. "
This is completly wrong.... this is not true. Seldom does a club girl has a lifespan of more than 2 years, with some exceptions. 5 years and more yes, but those are girls that never had our attention in the first place.
The thing is that we close ourselves so much on one certain type of girl, that when we find it and make it ours, we tend not to look for more.
And USB is more of a witness to this in my case and Wasted and USB are also witness to my pledge that I would not stick to just one girl as I used to do.
You guys have seen me deal dynamicly with more than one now at the clubs, opposed to what I used to do 2 years ago, when I only had a total of one or 2 girls in all the clubs, girls that got my exclusive undivided attention.
Now I tell them openly "I go everywhere and you'll won't be my only girlfriend... take it or leave it".
USB tends to stick to one and doing that, others go past you right in front of your eyes. When you try to get to them it is already too late to try to reach them.
In this case familiarty is your enemy.
One case in mind is Linda from the Harem... I always craved for Linda, but she was so popular that she never ever was free and only high rollers got her.
Now that she is past her time and no longer the novelty, and pay attention boys, I don't want her any more or I can't be with her any more cause we have seen each other so many times and she know that I go for other girls (even if we don't speak, the girls always case you) that there could be no sparks between each other.
This is what is happening also to Wasted, but in his case it is ONE GROUP of girls he's stuck with and it has already started to get on his nerves.
You guys get it????[/QUOTE]
It is the venue that confounds us...
I accept your premise that you believe yourself to be an absolute beginner, but in my eyes, you do not conduct yourself like anything but an expert, nor does the quality of your sessions reveal that conclusion.
I still contend that we are veterans, experts, whatever, and vastly ahead of the game compared to the hords of Gringos that come to Monterrey. In my case, I have Carlos to thank, and of course, observations of the various tactics, successes, and failures of my amigos, not to mention my own successes and failures.
WastedG, we visit Monterrey, the both of us, so frequently, that we are almost a fixture in the clubs. So, because of our frequency, I consider us to be almost as "enlightened" as some of the locals. Plus, many of the locals do not participate in salidas. We are probably some of the most experienced in that area. Salidas are not common in Monterrey.
WastedG says, "And how much do we know? The question is 'How much do we NOT know'? I will never claim that I am an authority on this subject nor will I expect others to be. I think we are far from being the experts and the proof is all the dilemmas we go through."
I don't mean that we have nothing to learn. Certainly, we all have something to learn, if for no other reason that to understand the female mind, which for most males is incomprehensible. But, with respect to the Monterrey venue, the games, etc...I think we understand, in expert terms, what is generally going on. Whether we choose to act on that knowledge in a certain way is merely a matter of differing styles.
With respect to the dilemmas you mention...
Most of the dilemmas I go through are because of my expectations for the Monterrey venue, expectations that I have projected onto a venue that does not compare to what I have experienced elsewhere. It is the fault of the venue, and not a fault of ours that we are experiencing these issues.
Ask anyone that regularly visits worldwide venues. Ask them to compare TJ or Monterrey, or anything to be experienced in Mexico compared to other worldwide venues, and they will tell you in harsh terms of comparison just how poor Mexico is.
In my case, I have been able to find a similiar quality of experience to the preferred worldwide venues, but only after a signficant amount of searching, and loads of money. Yes, we have a lot to learn in order to make things happen in Monterrey the way we want them to happen. But, there is an old saying..."you can not make a silk purse out of sows ear." Monterrey is still Mexico, and attitudes, relative affluence compared to other third world venues, format, etc...are all contributing against us.
If we experience "issues" in Monterrey, it is on account of the venue itself, and not neccessarily something we ourselves are contributing to. This, all this harsh criticism, coming from a guy that loves MTY.
[QUOTE=Wastedgman]I repeat and I insist .. We are absolute beginners. But we're absolutely sane.
We maybe veterans compared to others, true. But when it comes to knowing it all, I think we have much to learn.
Carlos says: "This is what is happening also to Wasted, but in his case it is ONE GROUP of girls he's stuck with and it has already started to get on his nerves." .. I never really used the phrase 'getting on my nerves'. But now that I think about it. I guess it's true. I know for a fact now that I need me a new line up. It can be from the same place, and why not, but a totally new line. I started going that route a few visits ago, but it did not work out. I was not disappointed, but I was satisfied so I stayed with what I had. Now is the time to get a new flock, if I may use Carlos' word. I have my eyes on 2 girls at the "I" place that I already know and sampled but never fully perused. Although "X" girl is still hot and I have not had my fill with her yet. But I did have my fill with "P" and "S".
And how much do we know? The question is 'How much do we NOT know'? I will never claim that I am an authority on this subject nor will I expect others to be. Although Carlos has got it down to an art. I may not share his taste of women, but he knows how to handle the girls and how to play their games. I think we are far from being the experts and the proof is all the dilemmas we go through. Each one of us has different approach and we all have limited time to bake our cake and eat it. With such limitations, add to it the language barrier, we are still children in a candy store. We do not know what's bad for us. It all looks great on the outside. But we still chose to bite whatever comes our way only to find out that what looked sweet turned out to be sour. Then again, we all have different goals. The 'fun of the experience' is one of my goals but I only hope that biting the wrong apple will not end me up in hell.
Wasted[/QUOTE]
