Cali Reports

I am going to Cali in August so I appreciate the reports from palermo and bayboy. This thread was dead for a long time. Even though they were only there a few days you could get a sense of what it was like from reading their reports. Thank You.

I don't think anybody should be ridiculed for what they like to do. That isn't why most people joined this forum. IMHO people want somewhere to let it out. I like licking butts and would probably be open to getting shit on by the right girl. The only other guy I can tell that to is my party buddy.

I've learned a lot by reading this stuff. It opens you up to the reality of sexuality. We should act in a more progressive manner. We are all on the fringe.

The Colombia threads get weird no doubt. A lot of "paja" but people still want to contribute and give out information. Let them do it.

The mention of the word Colombia brings to life all sorts of reactions. Colombia is a reactionary subject matter. Maybe have a drink or a cigar before you post.

Wink Wink. Black Hawk the Serial Crybaby for the Good Ol Days in Colombia. Wink Wink. Still crying because things arent like the were 10 years ago in Colombia. Wink Wink. Still berating fellow mongers and Newbies. Wink Wink. By the way isn't that what those gay guys are into. Wink Wink

I want to make special mention of a couple of chicas that went the éxtra' mile, it was super. They stuck their lengua up my culo. Thats even better than a finger (culo) wave.

Sara and Sandra from the Red Light dist. In El Centro, in Medellin, stick out in my mind. Gracias to them.

[QUOTE=BayBoy;1137719]Caras Lindas appears to be closed.[/QUOTE]Nope. It's not closed. Open from 11 AM to 9 PM.

OK, I will not go to Cali. I visit Medellin one or two times every year. Is it worth spending money and time to go to Armenia and Pereira from Medellin for meeting pro-girls? Or would Medellin suffice?

[QUOTE=Palermo; 1137261]Over drinks with BayBoy last night we talked about what our general impressions of Cali were.

So far it's been extremely quiet on Av sexta, but I am sure that's because it is low season, it's been raining each night, and we have not hit the weekend yet.

I talked to a few touts, and they say Friday and Saturday will be very busy, but not even Thursday will see much action.

There are a few obvious prepagos sitting at tables in some of the patios along sexta, but sure nothing to write home about.

My general impression is that the women are the least attractive that I have seen in Colombia, in general. That's a huge surprise to me. But again, I haven't seen that many. But just in comparison to Armenia, where I saw a constant parade of hot women every day, Cali just doesn't cut it.

Still, there are always enough hotties to make it worthwhile, and I'm going to reserve final judgement until after the weekend. I also think some of the upscale clubs will be really good, judging by the quality in the cheap places. [/QUOTE]

Did you make a request or they voluntarily did? I am sure they "stick out" in your mind!!

[QUOTE=BayBoy; 1138920]I want to make special mention of a couple of chicas that went the éxtra' mile, it was super. They stuck their lengua up my culo. Thats even better than a finger (culo) wave.

Sara and Sandra from the Red Light dist. In El Centro, in Medellin, stick out in my mind. Gracias to them. [/QUOTE]

To the extent there is some type of discussion or argument between BlackHawk and ArtistyP, I preface my remarks by saying I have the utmost respect for both. ArtistyP, in particular, has contributed reports of remarkable color and utility. Again, I respect both guys, but if ArtistyP wants to be shit on, I say more power to him. In that event, however, I would ask that ArtistyP make a report, it may not be all it's cracked up to be. Keep on keepin' on, both guys!

Thanks. It's not a competition about who posts what. All I want is for people to feel comfortable about posting. There are girls who are just a freaky as some of us. Those girls are ok but guys who do it are not? That would be silly.

It is also interesting to hear what some of these women will do. Each country has their limitations. Ie. Getting a BBBJ in mexico is possible but not as easy as the DR. That type of info is pertinent to planning trips. If women are freaky enough to do that to bayboy then that might be someplace I would like to visit. Good to know.

One of my most memorable besos negros sessions was in Medellin on a Sunday. I met this girl in a centro casa who ate MY butt like a buffet brunch. That is what is possible in MDE. Pertinent information as far as I am concerned.

OK. I will not visit Pereira or Armenia. I will stick to Medellin. I can deal with non-pros in the USA. You saved my time and money. Thanks a lot.

[QUOTE=Palermo; 1139251]Matt,

After 3 months touring around Colombia (this being my 3rd or 4th 3 month trip) , staying in most places for at least 1 week, more than 1 month in Medellin, here's my opinion:

Medellin is the place to be for pros, and if you stay long enough for non pros.

Pereira sucks for pros IMO. More expensive than Medellin, only 1 worthwhile high end club. If you like adventure and risk and low end chicas, pereira could be a goldmine.

Armenia and Manizales are kind of cool places to visit, but very little pro action. Non pros could be great, but you'd need to spend weeks in either place, and I just can't see it. A short trip to either is not worth it unless you really just want to see some sights (Manizales is kind of nice, and Armenia is close to salento).

Cali is great for non pros. I was just there 6 days and didn't get to see a lot of P4P places as non pros kept me busy, and happy. I actually didn't have time for all the non pros (met on LatinAmericanCupid)

But I was quite shocked at the lack of hot women just wandering around that you get in almost any colombian city.

Could be that I stayed in the north near sexta, and all the girls and action seems to be in the south, nearer the jardin plaza mall.

Medellin is the clear winner though, too bad it's a bit boring. [/QUOTE]

Palermo, with all due respect, I would like to know just how is MDE the place to be for pros? My take on the matter is that in MDE, one usually overpays for the experience of what can be obtained with the same type of provider for a fraction of the costs in another Colombian city. Don't get me wrong, there's real high quality P4P action available in MDE but mostly in what could be considered to be at US-comparable prices. $200K COP ($106. 10 USD) for one hour of fun with a pro in Medellin is not so far from something that can be had in the USA through backpage or something similar for anywhere between $100 . $150. If you asked me, the difference isn't so great when factoring in the costs for travel. In fact, they might add up to about the same. True, the travelling experience down there could be great. Especially if you can pick something on a non-P4P basis. But then again, one would usually need far more than a month to get anywhere with a regular, non-pro chica in MDE. The exception to the rule would of course be that you're good looking, rich, and especially in Medellin, white. Then again, wouldn't the same thing be true in Sex Prison USA?

I do agree with you in that Cali is great for non-pros. I actually really enjoyed the availability of casas and providers throughout the city. I made a terrible mistake on having changed Cali for Medellin. Don't really know what was going through my mind at the time. In fact, I met a cool, young, prosperous, and good looking white dude who had given-up on MDE because he couldn't land a non-pro chica he was so interested in landing. He switched to Cali and last I knew of him, he was very happy and settled there. In Cali there's never a shortage of great looking gals everywhere. And not only that, but they sure are far more approachable, less complicated, more fun, and with a lot less bad attitude and be. S. Than the chicas in MDE tend to have.

Besides, Medellin is full of gringos (no offense) and mafiosos. Think overpriced (and over-rated) for just about everything. I haven't been to Cali in a couple of years, but I sure hope it doesn't become another Medellin anytime soon. If it weren't for the (mostly overpriced and over-rated) P4P action in MDE, it could easily be considered a semi-sex prison type of city. At least in terms of non-P4P action, it very much has already become another semi-sex prison type of city if you asked me. Why travel to a place that differs very little with the USA when you can go a little further south to a whole different environment (and experience) altogether?

[QUOTE=Palermo; 1139251]Matt,

After 3 months touring around Colombia (this being my 3rd or 4th 3 month trip) , staying in most places for at least 1 week, more than 1 month in Medellin, here's my opinion:

Medellin is the place to be for pros, and if you stay long enough for non pros.

Pereira sucks for pros IMO. More expensive than Medellin, only 1 worthwhile high end club. If you like adventure and risk and low end chicas, pereira could be a goldmine.

Armenia and Manizales are kind of cool places to visit, but very little pro action. Non pros could be great, but you'd need to spend weeks in either place, and I just can't see it. A short trip to either is not worth it unless you really just want to see some sights (Manizales is kind of nice, and Armenia is close to salento).

Cali is great for non pros. I was just there 6 days and didn't get to see a lot of P4P places as non pros kept me busy, and happy. I actually didn't have time for all the non pros (met on LatinAmericanCupid)

But I was quite shocked at the lack of hot women just wandering around that you get in almost any colombian city.

Could be that I stayed in the north near sexta, and all the girls and action seems to be in the south, nearer the jardin plaza mall.

Medellin is the clear winner though, too bad it's a bit boring. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cyberdas; 1139389]Palermo, with all due respect, I would like to know just how is MDE the place to be for pros? My take on the matter is that in MDE, one usually overpays for the experience of what can be obtained with the same type of provider for a fraction of the costs in another Colombian city. Don't get me wrong, there's real high quality P4P action available in MDE but mostly in what could be considered to be at US-comparable prices. $200K COP ($106. 10 USD) for one hour of fun with a pro in Medellin is not so far from something that can be had in the USA through backpage or something similar for anywhere between $100. $150. If you asked me, the difference isn't so great when factoring in the costs for travel. In fact, they might add up to about the same. True, the travelling experience down there could be great. Especially if you can pick something on a non-P4P basis. But then again, one would usually need far more than a month to get anywhere with a regular, non-pro chica in MDE. The exception to the rule would of course be that you're good looking, rich, and especially in Medellin, white. Then again, wouldn't the same thing be true in Sex Prison USA?

I do agree with you in that Cali is great for non-pros. I actually really enjoyed the availability of casas and providers throughout the city. I made a terrible mistake on having changed Cali for Medellin. Don't really know what was going through my mind at the time. In fact, I met a cool, young, prosperous, and good looking white dude who had given-up on MDE because he couldn't land a non-pro chica he was so interested in landing. He switched to Cali and last I knew of him, he was very happy and settled there. In Cali there's never a shortage of great looking gals everywhere. And not only that, but they sure are far more approachable, less complicated, more fun, and with a lot less bad attitude and be. S. Than the chicas in MDE tend to have.

Besides, Medellin is full of gringos (no offense) and mafiosos. Think overpriced (and over-rated) for just about everything. I haven't been to Cali in a couple of years, but I sure hope it doesn't become another Medellin anytime soon. If it weren't for the (mostly overpriced and over-rated) P4P action in MDE, it could easily be considered a semi-sex prison type of city. At least in terms of non-P4P action, it very much has already become another semi-sex prison type of city if you asked me. Why travel to a place that differs very little with the USA when you can go a little further south to a whole different environment (and experience) altogether? [/QUOTE]I have been to Cali twice. I have found it to have a huge number of P4P places. The key to this city is at first you have to find a good guide. On my first trip we found a great taxi driver who we hired for the whole day. He took us to so many places that our heads were spinnig. We had to call it a night as we were so overloaded with info that my head hurt. Not only was there much action, it was also very deverse with any kind of action most men would dare to try.

On my last trip there last Feb. I was visiting a non pro who I was taking to San Andres. One night after dropping her off at her house for the night I quite by accident stumbled on to a women eating at a outdoor food spot. After a little conversation we made a night of it. This is rare for me to get non pros without using a online srevice. In MDE I have yet to get a non pro, and I have been there many more times than Cali.

As for prices compared to MDE, I found not much difference.

To wrap it up the only reason for me to choose MDE over Cali is that MDE has better weather. Of course if it continues to keep raining all the time in MDE than maybe Cali will be my new base of operations in Colombia.

Please don't PM me for intel on Cali as it was 13 months ago since I was there and I did not keep the taxi drivers phone number. (dumb and dumber ).

I have been going to Medellin since 1999-Cali 2005.

Medellin was awesome in 1999 but so was places like Caracus.

Medellin in like 2008 was good.

Medellin now I only give an OK rating. I feel like some of the guys that experienced Cuba in good old days but only to see its decline.

First trip to Medellin Feb 99 I nailed chic that looked like Cindy Crawford but with blonde hair and bigger set of tits-total bill with room 8 bucks. I haven't seen anything that looked like her in long time in Medellin casas. Then I could have any girl I wanted married or not. Now shit-LOL But then Medellin was most dangerous city on planet, highest murder rate, highest kidnapping rate, Colombia was most dangerous country and Medellin was most dangerous city for Americans and there I was partying in Centro at night by myself. Its changed no doubt I still go there couple times a year but I don't go to Casas or clubs the girls have gotten too frickin ugly to frickin fast. The girls are too mobile now leaving Medellin first chance they get for greener pastures if things aren't going well for them there. Medellin won't turn into Asia the prices there in 10 years will be staggering and will join Rio. 8 bucks 12 years ago to what now 200us if you can find one like that? You guys do the math-not good.

Cali was great not awesome first trip in 2005 and is still great if I have a good gameplan. The not so wonderful ease of travel keeps me out and I don't want to spend 24 hours going one way-I have been waiting patiently for Spirit to fly me in quickly but to no avail. The girls in Cali still want to get the fuck out of Cali for the most part whereas girls in Medellin now want to stay there in general. Things have changed all of Latin America has went downhill in last 10 years Asia is the last frontier but the ease of travel going there for me is 25 hours one way.screw that.

I can only imagine what those early days must've been like. Too bad that globalization has taken with it to other places a lot of the stuff so many of us, especially in this forum, are trying to avoid in Sex Prison (I. E. Americanized Women). I totally agree with you in that Bogota has become another semi-Sex Prison. Making it two with Medellin. Who knows which other city will be next in Colombia? I agree with you in that it is hard to compare one place to another since YMMV and factors such as age, language, game, luck, looks, personality, financial status go heavily into play. I find that this has become overwhelmingly true in the countries in Latin America that I have visited.

I guess what drew me to MDE was the Southern California type of weather, albeit, with a ton of rain. The south of the city is spectacular. No denying that either. As it's also where most gringos and mafiosos end up hanging out or living at. This will inevitably drive up prices anywhere such combination exists (think Costa Rica, Panama, etc.).

My beef with Medellin, aside from what I consider to be stratospherically high levels of drama, be. S, head games, self-centered behavior (a la American / Americanized women style) by its no doubt and otherwise beautiful women. Is the amount of racism that takes place there. Given how, for the most part, its inhabitants are of mostly European descent, where in many ways they seem to resemble the white tourists themselves (particularly in the south side of the city which is really the only place most members of this board would be interested in visiting aside from las casas in el centro). This adds a bit of disadvantage when one is not of equal skin color standings. Unless you are Asian or African American, where by association, you will be counted and considered to be an Americano.

So you have people in Medellin thinking that they are God's gift to Colombians much the same way Cuban Americans in Miami and Argentinians elsewhere believe to be to mankind as well. I know that its people have come a long way from the days of Pablo Escobar but Medellin is still by no means compared to other, bigger and more modern cities in Latin America as Sao Paulo, Santiago de Chile, and Buenos Aires are. But don't tell them that! LOL.

Bottom line is that when I leave Sex Prison for greener pastures, I certainly don't want to end up in a semi-Sex Prison type of city like Medellin, San Jose, Panama City, or Caracas are. Instead, I want to go to the lands of milk and honey (if such places still exist) where being a regular guy (granted, not too overweight or unkept) can still land you a non-pro with relative ease, costs, and time. These conditions are crucial given our mostly limited time and resources when traveling abroad. I mean, who has seven months to be trying to hook-up with a local chica when one can only travel for no more than a few weeks out of the year? Unless otherwise, Medellin and Bogota are certainly out of the question, if you asked me.

[QUOTE=Palermo; 1139519]Cyberdas, I don't disagree with a lot of what you said (and I sure am not offended, I have no skin in the game of one place vs another).

It's always hard to compare one place to another, so much depends on what you are looking for, how old you are, how good your spanish is, and pure luck / timing.

But I think for the average guy coming from the USA for a week, MDE is nicer city, easier to meet pros, more choice, better looking women.

I have to repeat I missed getting to the higher end places in Cali, and maybe if I had seen them I would change my mind? But even so, it's like MDE is set up for the average guy to have a good time, and Cali you have to work at it, and you need to be more careful too, IMO and experience.

In MDE I only once paid a girl 200k, the rest I paid under 150k, and that's for several hours at my place. That's a pretty good deal for girls I'd rate as '8's more or less.

Of course there are all kinds of much cheaper places in MDE and in Cali, and even in Bogota, but I don't usually frequent those places other than to see if I am missing something.

The bottom line for me is the question, would I go back? So, sure, I'd go back to Cali, mainly for the non pros, but I am not dying to get back there.

I do agree the MDE women are starting to get like the women from Bogota, which is a bad thing. Prices are bound to follow too I suppose. Maybe we can both agree Bogota now officially sucks and is more expensive than back home? (at least at any of the north places).

In the end, I think the debate about which place to go is fun and interesting, but really, it all depends on so many factors that you never know who will enjoy which place more.

My main conclusion is, if you want to have a good time in the smaller towns, you need to stay a lot longer, and then you could have the time of your life. But most guys here only have a short time, so the bigger cities are more set up for that.

I also miss the early days in Cuba, and in Bogota. Ah well still have some good memories.

Not sure where the 'next' place is boys, but I'll keep looking, cheers.

(P. S. Just arrived in Iquitos, Peru, will probably post something there soon) [/QUOTE]