Bangkok Reports

[quote=syzygies;1582801]ha ha! usa needs to learn to mind its own business, only helping peoples of other countries that desperately want and deserve help. i don't think that exists in pattaya.

girls trafficking themselves all the way from isaan to pattaya, perhaps being "trafficked" by a thai "boyfriend"/ exploiter. lol. girls have the right to support whoever they like, even if it is stupidity. certainly plenty of **** girls exist. they want the right to work too and to not be discriminated against based on age. plenty of 16 year old single mothers need to make a living and support their child, maybe their parents etc. i am not interested to buy, but i feel sympathy for their plight.

its hardly the same thing as the real [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] in other countries where girls are transported to another country and are not free to decide their own fate, imho.

the first thing needed to reduce the prevalence girls forced to work against their will, is to legalise prostitution and introduce better controls, and have police protect girls from unwanted boyfriends or pimps, instead of turning a blind eye.

what percentage of thai hookers, are not making their own decision to do this? i don't know. however i am not meeting a lot of girls that are clearly forced to do it, other than because they decide they need the money.

there are reasons to expel illegal immigrant workers. of course naturally people from cambodia, laos, and myanmar want to work here, as the situation in their own country is much less desirable.[/quote]the definition of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] has gotten broader and broader. it does not have to be cross-border. if you go by this official definition it covers a lot of ground depending on your interpretation. i understand that a similar crackdown is going on in angeles city.

"article 3, paragraph (a) of the protocol to prevent, suppress and punish trafficking in persons defines trafficking in persons as the recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation. exploitation shall include, at a minimum, the exploitation of the prostitution of others or other forms of sexual exploitation, forced labour or services, slavery or practices similar to slavery, servitude or the removal of organs".

exploitation covers a lot of stuff. i would agree that nearly every girl in the go-gos and beer bars and freelancers are doing it of their own free will (as best as we can tell; mothers and boyfriends aside) but it could also be argued that girls who are brought into bars for the purpose of prostitution and enrichment of their employees is exploitation. i have seen nothing about crackdowns going on in the thai brothels which is most definitely [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] as many of them are shipped in from outside thailand. so i think this is being done mainly for foreign eyes.

My Dr. BJ girl is not available for VIP service for 1 month. Darn it! Seems she has had a procedure to make her a "virgin" again. Not sure I am looking forward to extra tight pussy. I was happy before. As she is one of my favourite fucks, I will have to wait and see. In meantime only BJ available, something I am not used to, as am not such a lazy fucker. Could not even DATY, as managed to strike her period as well. Maybe will be allowed DATY next time if no risk of damaging the healing process.

She said the upside is that I will be able to economise. BJ only is much cheaper than VIP. However I really miss the body slide. Maybe I can negotiate for VIP with no fucking.

This guy has no clue.

Terminal 21 will get you 30-40 baht meals.

BJ bars start at 700.

Freelancers are 1,000.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1582620]I will let the figures speak for themselves:

"normal" massage: 200 to 400 baht.

Western food: 250 to 500 baht PER MEAL! (why you want to eat Western food in Bangkok goes beyond my comprehension). Thai food will cost you 100 to 150 baht per meal in a food court like at Terminal 21. Halve that price if you eat from a food cart on the street.

Blowjob bar: I guess about 1000 baht (never went there myself yet).

Soapy massage: at least 2500 baht.

Clubbing: ??? It will depend on how much you drink and how many drinks you give away.

Freelancer (ST): at least 1500 baht.

5000 baht won't be enough for all your activities, but do you really need all these activities every day? A soapy massage offers you two pops, so we are looking at 4 to 5 pops every day. Respect to you if you can keep that up that tempo! Perhaps you should think of adding the cost of some "Vitamin V" to your budget.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DenSloeber;1582461]Hello everyone,

I'm planning to visit BKK (Sukhimvit area) for the first time and I wondered how much money per day is needed to have a fun time there. With fun time, I mean: get a normal massage with no happy ending, eat 3-5 times a day (western food), visit a blowjob bar, hit a soapy massage parlor during day and, and at night go to a club and hook up a freelancer (or just outside in the nana area or beerbar).

Given all these, is 5000 baaht a day sufficient for all of these activities?[/QUOTE]I take it the 5000 is for "these activities" & you have extra money for hotel room, transport, etc.

A normal massage a few years ago was 200 baht per hour. I haven't been for one for years so haven't been paying attention to the prices around NEP, but I can't imagine it has gone up beyond 300 baht.

Eating 5 times a day times 100 baht costs 500 baht.

Blowjob bars have been quoted here as low as 700 baht. Alternately you could try to negotiate a BBBJ with a street FL for even less.

Soapy massage. Let's say the 1700 baht someone else listed. Or take a 1000 baht FL to your hotel room for a bubble bath.

Freelancer outside on Nana Hotel parking lot. Price has been 1000 baht since 2007. If any quote higher you might want to try to bargain down to at least 1200, or choose one of the other street girls who will accept 1000 or less or say "up to you" what you pay. Bargaining in Thailand is quite normal so you could even try to pick up a girl for 500 baht ST, especially since times are tough & it's the low season.

So, adding it all up, your cost is about 4200 baht, leaving you 800 to spare, well under the 5000.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1582818]The definition of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] has gotten broader and broader. I have seen nothing about crackdowns going on in the Thai brothels which is most definitely [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] as many of them are shipped in from outside Thailand. So I think this is being done mainly for foreign eyes.[/QUOTE]Yeah they also need to save face internally and internationally.

Maybe a lot of girls do this job with some regret and surely not all like it but it doesn't mean they are forced to it.

Unless, and this can be a point, they are forced by circumstances, socially and economically.

This you don't resolve with police, law and NGO's.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1582818]
"Article 3, paragraph (a) of the Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish Trafficking in Persons defines Trafficking in Persons as the recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability.[/QUOTE]I think most bars I go to, the girls, in general, are not being clearly forced or abducted. The position of vulnerability is purely they have no money and they want a possible way to make thousands of Baht in a day instead of in a month. The money problem is urgent. Are the bar owners exploiting them? Maybe so, but the girls can leave the bar. They don't have to work there.

They fail to show up for work, merely because it is raining and they feel lazy today. What other job can girls show up for work merely whenever they please? They can go missing for months and return when they feel like it.

Now in places like Nataree, the girls may well be coming close to the definition of "trafficked". There are girls kept under very close supervision by minders / agents etc. They may well have very limited levels of freedom to do as they please. They may well not receive any of the customers money. Nataree is not a place I like. I prefer other Soapies where girls seem to have more freedom. I think can get better service out of girls who are really under less stress and want to be there.

About Bar Row in Yokota Japan.

To show you how much the US brain washes their military members.

He referred to prostitutes on Bar Row as "human traffic".

[QUOTE=Taboc;1582677]On a lowest scale this is what I saw recently. Unless you are lucky, expect no beauty, service should be alright if you play it well.

Massage - 300 bhat (Soi 7/1).

BJ Bar - 700 bhat (Dr. BJ Bar).

Soapy - 1500 bhat (China town, if you try near Rarchada the cheapest was at Colonze may cost around 1700 a while back, not sure how much now, but check them out as they were the cheapest).

Freelancer - 1500 bhat (Nana parking).

Total = 4000 bhat.

So you are left with 1000 bhat for a room, food, drink and transportation.

If you manage it, it would be a record. Post it here.[/QUOTE]Hahaha, I already factored in the hotel room, so its 5000 spending money.

Thank you all for for the helpfull reactions.

I'm 26 years old and I can manage 6-8 'pops' a day (a bit of a sex addict too, can never get enough). I might ease up a day or 2, so I can spend 10000-15000 for a crazy day I guess. I'm planning 2 weeks in BKK and 2 weeks in koh chang where I'm guessing I won't spend as much as in BKK.

And I will surely write detailed reports soon, starting from 26 June.

"What percentage of Thai hookers, are not making their own decision to do this? I don't know. However I am not meeting a lot of girls that are clearly forced to do it, other than because they decide they need the money".

It exists in Thailand but you won't find it in Susie Wong's, or other venue's that cater to tourists and ex pats. While quite a lot have "boyfriends" who sponge off them by and large these girls are free to work where they want and keep what they earn. This is not the case in smaller towns in karaoke bars that cater to locals. Here lots of the girls are trafficked in from Myanmar Cambodia and Laos with some locals from hill tribes in the north and work under the usual conditions of having to pay back the brokers. It's not on the scale it was back in the bad old days but it's there, we just don't come across it in lower Sukhumvit.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1582482]Some of the girls in Dr. BJ are also quite acceptable looking and I think I am pretty fussy. Of course any BJ bar cannot be full of beauties.

I am not normally a BJ guy, but I can contemplate it, especially if I have very limited time.[/QUOTE]I think you need to 'adjust' your attitude re BJ's by living for a prolonged period in the west again.

BTW was it EE you were referring to having the surgery? I think she has a son so maybe she's a bit self-conscious regarding tightness but I'm looking forwarding trying her out again in December.

[QUOTE=DenSloeber;1582461]I'm planning to visit BKK (Sukhimvit area) for the first time and I wondered how much money per day is needed to have a fun time there.[/QUOTE]The prices and advice posted already were accurate. Adding my two cents:

There is a small massage shop in the narrow ally between Suk Soi 5 and 7 that charges 200 baht for a 70 minute Thai or foot massage. I give them a 40 Bath tip and they seem happy.

I had luck last month picking up NPL ladies for 1200 or 1300 Baht. It helped that I was staying at Nana Hotel, and when they asked where I was staying I pointed right there. Time is money, so IMO they are flexible on price for the convenience. If you have to taxi somewhere that takes time and cost them money to get back. I avoid that situation by staying at ground zero. Friday and Saturday nights have the best selection looks wise.

SunLover.

I try to be friends with locals where ever I go. First day I tried with the food stall guy, it did not work. Also tried it with few others, it did not work. Now, keep in mind, I do not try to befriends with those who want to be friends with tourists (taxi drivers, touts), rather find someone that looks and sounds amateur. On my way strolls, I see this guy standing next to a luggage shop and reaching out to people to come in. One day I was walking after getting a box of beer, and gave him one, he was pleasantly surprised. Next day on he would smile and greet, and we had small talks. He is from Burma, and works here for over 8 years. He said his family is back home, and that gave me the opening. I asked him how he manages his sex life here in BKK, he certainly does not make enough to get even the ugly freelancers that line up the streets. He said he goes to China town the day he gets paid, or when he gets a big tip from a customer. I asked him how much he pays for sex, and what he said blew me away, 200 bhats. He asked me whether I want to try, I said no, thinking I would rather put my dick in a snake pit.

Back at my massage place, and kept thinking about what he said, and I wanted to see who he gets for 200 bhats, plus it would be an opportunity to see seedy parts of China town with a personal body guard. I tell him that we could go tonight after his work, and all cost is on me.

I think everyone should see China town atleast once. First there is good cheap Chinese food, if you are fed up with thai. I got pork fried rice and tea for 30 bhats. We went to a place no too far from the gate, side street of Yaowarat and Soi Texas. It was seedy as expected. The guy stops by a metal door, and shouts in his language, an younger girl open the door which leads to upstairs. It looks like a residential home, there were atleast 8 girls, mostly less than 25. They are all from the north I hear. He chooses one and seem to be very happy, I was not too keen as the environment does not look very entertaining, I felt like I could be mugged any time. I choose a girl finally, I was only looking for big lips for a BJ. We can not have sex there, so we goto a cheap hotel, and it costs 100 bhats for me, and 50 for him. The room is not the worst I have seen, but 90% of you will walk away, I would think. We goto our adjacent rooms, and I do not even feel like sitting on the bed, so start playing with the girls boobs standing, mount he from behind, nothing seem to work good for me. Meanwhile I guy shouts from the other room, 'you ok'. I say no. As a good friend he comes to my room and asks why, I say it is ok, and ask him to continue. I ask him whether he could bring his girl to my room and do her. He was ok, and brings her. The two girls do not protest, they giggle, may be normal for them. He is already hard, and puts his denims down a bit and fucks the girl real nice. I tell him at somepoint to stop and fuck the other girl, he is more than happy. After few seconds he switches to the other one, I hear later that she is his regular and likes her a lot. I get my hand job, and happy.

One thing I realize is that everything is possible in BKK, all the fantasies. I am starting to think that getting one girl from a gogo and fuck her alone is pretty lame for BKK.

So, try China town. Walk the side alleys of Yaowarat, there are too many ladies sitting there and look at you. Don't keep too much money, or anything expensive with you. Behave like you are in BKK for long time, and show confidence. Get a BJ, HJ. For 200+100 bhats it is an experience to remember. Who knows you might even see a good looking one for your eyes.

Will be in Bangkok and Pattaya beginning July I would like to get freelance but not girls on the street Usually I like pick up in club but I was wondering if any of you can help me suggesting which internet social works better Do you have any idea if in Bangkok is better to use craiglist, date in asia or Others? Thanks to members who will help me to find GFE freelance.

[QUOTE=DenSloeber;1582461]Given all these, is 5000 baaht a day sufficient for all of these activities?[/QUOTE]As some people have suggested, there are ways to save money. I'll give you a few suggestions since I'm at a loose end waiting for the next World Cup match to start.

1. Western food is comparitively expensive in Thailand, even fast food. If you eat the local cuisine, you'll save a lot of money. There is a place on Soi 4 a little down from Nana Plaza (on the opposite side of the street) called Bus Stop which serves cheap and tasty food. If you're unfamiliar with Thai food, Thai green curry, spicy tom yam soup and pad thai are all delicious. You could save even more money if you eat at one of the road-side stalls. My favourite meal I've had in Thailand was when I was sat on a plastic stool at the side of the road in Chiang Mai.

2. Don't rely on taxis. It's very quick, easy and cheap to get around Bangkok using public transport. For example, save yourself money by getting the train in to Bangkok from the airport. You'll probably arrive at your hotel quicker than taking a taxi because you avoid all of the traffic. It's straightforward too. Go to the lower level of the airport and pay 90 baht to take the Phaya Thai train. It takes 20 minutes and from Phaya Thai you can take the Skytrain to Nana. It's five stops on the Bearing line and costs 25 baht. Total cost 115 baht (saving you about 300 baht, including tolls). Also you said that you wanted to try soapy massages. Note that some of the massage parlours charge taxi commission, which means that if a taxi driver drops you off, you will pay an inflated price.

3. If you are on a budget, utilise the freelancers, for example those in front of Nana Hotel car-park. The majority won't win beauty pageants but some are pretty (I think the best get picked quickly from guys from the surrounding beer-bars). Some of the younger ones may try to charge 1500 baht for ST but 1000 seems to be the going rate (or cheaper perhaps?) . I might be wrong as I haven't taken any for a few years but in the past I have had success along Soi 4, towards Rajah Hotel. A tactic that worked for me is to approach a pretty freelancer late at night, say for example after 2 or 3 am, by which time she might be thinking that she won't get any more business. If you say "1000 baht for one hour" she is unlikely to refuse.

4. Collect phone numbers. If you fuck a girl from a gogo bar you will pay 600 BF + 2000ST, plus lady-drinks. It's not cheap. However if you take her number (which she will be more than happy to give you if you treat her well), you can arrange to meet up during the afternoon before she starts work in the bar, or at 3 am when she finishes. You won't have to pay the bar-fine and can probably negotiate her price down. I've met up with lovely looking girls by texting them 'would you like to meet at 4 pm? 1500 for 1 hr? ' Effectively I got very pretty gogo girl for nearly half price.

5. Be a bit more realistic with your expectations. Like others, I think you are being a bit too ambitious, perhaps going for quantity over quality. Do you really need to go to a blow-job bar every day for example? You could meet a freelancer during the afternoon for a few hours for 1000 baht and she will give you a blow-job as well as sex.

6. Last but not least consider going to Pattaya. Massage is cheaper there, soapies are more prevalent and the beer-bars are a rich source of pretty girls available for cheap prices. Soi 6 is a must-see and there are lots of freelancers on Beach Road.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1582960]The prices and advice posted already were accurate. Adding my two cents:

There is a small massage shop in the narrow ally between Suk Soi 5 and 7 that charges 200 baht for a 70 minute Thai or foot massage. I give them a 40 Bath tip and they seem happy.

I had luck last month picking up NPL ladies for 1200 or 1300 Baht. It helped that I was staying at Nana Hotel, and when they asked where I was staying I pointed right there. Time is money, so IMO they are flexible on price for the convenience. If you have to taxi somewhere that takes time and cost them money to get back. I avoid that situation by staying at ground zero. Friday and Saturday nights have the best selection looks wise.

SunLover.[/QUOTE]The expected tip is 100 baht. I would imagine they are smiling to be polite.