Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2369275]Just something I will have to get used to and adjust like everything in life? It has only been 3 weeks since I last visited WS. Maybe it was this night or things changed quickly? As usual, I walked up and down WS. To check out what's new particularly clubs opening and closing what I noticed were more Indians younger and dressed more Western. One thing hasn't changed like the Chinese tour groups they walk ahead bumping into everyone never making an attempt to avoid.
[/QUOTE]Its not in Chinese culture to wait your turn, so hence pushing and shoving is the norm. Worst manners in the world possibly. Chinese tour groups definitely to be avoided (Singapore Chinese culture is very different I think). Unfortunately has been seen in Thailand also when people supposed to be queueing for tickets at Mor Chit bus station before Chinese new year, as example, but pushing and shoving to get to counter. I don't know if many were Chinese, mostly Thai I guess.

Even in Germany people do not seem to have learned from childhood to watch where they are going. All to common for someone to step into your walking path and stop dead there, or cut in front. A German crashed into me at Frankfurt airport, and he had absolutely no interest that his sharp edged suitcase had gouged and cut my arm. I was stationary at the time. No thought of others walking at all. Bicycles on the footpath turning corners or coming out of driveways very dangerous. Cyclist abused me as I crossed on a pedestrian crossing for not getting out of his way but pedestrian has right of way. Pedestrian crossings in Thailand do not cause motorists to stop unless you force them. One wonders why they painted the stripes there at all.

So we are continually amazed that different cultures create a very different expected norm of behaviour in different nationalities. I think reasonable behaviour is taught to people by their parents when they are children, so should be automatic without thinking as adults.

Only in some countries, as children, we are taught to watch where we are going. If cut someone off or bumped into someone, our parents would immediately teach us the right thing. "Watch where we are going!" My culture tends to promote having a space between people and not being in their face. Groups of Indians in bars, seem to party almost right in your face high fiving each other with no suitable space maintained. It is probably totally normal for them. However some of us feel uncomfortable having view blocked, or will drink be knocked over, etc. Okay Bar has no spare seats we are used to touching those that sit side by side, but standing guys jumping around in front of me is disturbing. Drunk Farang guys insisting on standing but lacking the balance to avoid crashing into others is also a problem.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2369310]...Bicycles on the footpath turning corners or coming out of driveways very dangerous. Cyclist abused me as I crossed on a pedestrian crossing for not getting out of his way but pedestrian has right of way...[/QUOTE]Haha, I've been going to Germany every year for the past 15 or so years. It happens every time, either a cyclist runs into me, or I unintentionally walk into a bicycle path and get yelled at. They don't seem to care if you are foreigner or not. I am just glad my German is not good enough to understand what the hell they were saying.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2369324]Haha, I've been going to Germany every year for the past 15 or so years. It happens every time, either a cyclist runs into me, or I unintentionally walk into a bicycle path and get yelled at. They don't seem to care if you are foreigner or not. I am just glad my German is not good enough to understand what the hell they were saying.[/QUOTE]If you are a pedestrian in a crowded walkway, you will notice the difference also, how people will slide / jump into the place you are about to step to. They don't really look to the side, intent on what they are doing only. Not a care in the world about any others.

Bicycle path is fair enough to ding (ring the bell) for pedestrians loitering. However in many places where there is no bicycle lane, they refuse to ride on the road but try to use the footpath.

Thailand is famous for motorcycles riding on the wrong side off the road in opposite direction to the normal traffic, and guys with push carts blocking the traffic.

As a pedestrian in Thailand, I cross many small Sois where Thais are not game to, fearing the cars turning into the Soi will not give way. I force cars to stop on zebra crossings too, sometimes if they have ability to stop. Otherwise one pedestrian might never cross at all when traffic is busy. Do pedestrians have any official rights at all?

[QUOTE=Coriolan89;2369268]As for the bars - 99% of bars worldwide make money on food and drinks, so I see no reason why Thai bars would suddenly go bust without bar fines. The way I look at it, bars and WGs can cooperate in a symbiosis. Bars need WGs, as they attract tourists who order drinks / snacks. WGs need bars, as this is the perfect venue to chat, offer services etc.[/QUOTE]If you look at the bars in Pattaya, Soi Cowboy, Nana, etc. None of them would survive on drinks and food. Most don't have kitchens and just buy off other places. Nobody would go to these bars if they didn't have girls in them. During the low season there are a lot of girls who would not get even 1ST a night.

The money from bar fines also goes to cover the girl medical insurnace (yes, they do have that) plus other costs for the bar.

[QUOTE=Coriolan89;2369268]I probably don't know enough about it, but I don't think what you say adds up. According to uncle Google, an average salary in Thailand is 15.000 baht. If a bar girl works 20 days a month, does just one ST a day, 1000 baht each, that's 20.000 baht a month. More than enough to pay for a place to live, food etc. Ergo: bar girls don't need any support from bar owners, they can have a decent life using just the money they earn.
[/QUOTE]Bar girls don't work for themselves. They work for their families. Parents, grandparents, children, siblings. They need to buy a better house, a motorbike, a sack of rice, gas for cooking, clothes, pork, education supplies, medical needs, cellphones, cable TV, etc all for their Isaan families. Having 20 k baht in their pocket each month does not mean that it is there for their own discretionary spending.

Also, as far as I know bargirls work everyday, not 20 days each month. They don't have 10 days off per month so that they can flit around the mall with all their excess discretionary funds that you might think that they have.

[QUOTE=AssAddict;2369097]Why so many here care about what the Indians say or do with prostitutes? You know these girls? It's their business to deal with all these men. If they want they accept, if they not want, they just say no and finish.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you. What is this phenomenon? I have been told by chicks that Indians pay the most while White brothers only want to get drunk, watch sports, argue, and at the end of it all, cheat them out of the money they are owed.

Funny how in this thread it is said Indian brothers are not good mongers because they don't pay enough etc (this while the several Indian discos on Walking Street are packed to the rafters with chicks), and in the Angeles thread it is said the Korean brothers are not good mongers because they pay too much and take all the good girls.

I personally do not care what anyone else is doing with their hookers. I just get the one I am going to get and walk off into the sunset a happy man.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2369208]The bar fine makes perfect sense. The bars pay the girls a bit of a salary. They often provide a place for the girls to sleep at night, though some rent their own apartment and share with co-workers.[/QUOTE]I fucked a massgae chick the other day that sleeps in the shop. She said that she has to pay 1000 baht/month for this privilege. I had always assumed chicks were staying at these places of employment for free. Maybe the bar girls also have to chip in to sleep at the bar. I have never bothered to ask.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;2369225]The additional barfine over the cost of the independent internet girl is worth it to me since it allows me to audition pretty bar girls without making any commitment in a friendly environment.[/QUOTE]When someone auditions, they are doing it in the same capacity as the job they will be performing. When you are sitting drinking with a bar girl it is not telling you anything of how she will be in the fucking department. It is like sitting down talking to a roofer about flowers then saying okay you are a great candidate to put a new roof on my house.

You might break a little ice, but you do not know how a chick from a bar or a chick from the internet will perform in the bed until you get them there. Because she laughed at a couple of your jokes and let you touch on her titties in a public setting, does not mean she polishes a knob with perfection.

[QUOTE=Franga;2369390]Bar girls don't work for themselves. They work for their families. Parents, grandparents, children, siblings. They need to buy a better house, a motorbike, a sack of rice, gas for cooking, clothes, pork, education supplies, medical needs, cellphones, cable TV, etc all for their Isaan families. [/QUOTE]Good catch! Don't forget about the loanshark that father owes. And their families are constantly calling and nagging about when said money is going to be in the bank ready for pickup.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2369413]
Good catch! Don't forget about the loanshark that father owes. And their families are constantly calling and nagging about when said money is going to be in the bank ready for pickup.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I banged a Soi 6 regular last week and after I gave her the 1000 baht, she said that she was going to go to the bank the next day and deposit it into the ATM. Then, in Isaan her mother would withdraw the 1000 baht to pay whatever expense that she had to pay.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2369310]Its not in Chinese culture to wait your turn, so hence pushing and shoving is the norm. Worst manners in the world possibly. Chinese tour groups definitely to be avoided (Singapore Chinese culture is very different I think). Unfortunately has been seen in Thailand also when people supposed to be queueing for tickets at Mor Chit bus station before Chinese new year, as example, but pushing and shoving to get to counter. I don't know if many were Chinese, mostly Thai I guess.

Even in Germany people do not seem to have learned from childhood to watch where they are going. All to common for someone to step into your walking path and stop dead there, or cut in front. A German crashed into me at Frankfurt airport, and he had absolutely no interest that his sharp edged suitcase had gouged and cut my arm. I was stationary at the time. No thought of others walking at all. Bicycles on the footpath turning corners or coming out of driveways very dangerous. Cyclist abused me as I crossed on a pedestrian crossing for not getting out of his way but pedestrian has right of way. Pedestrian crossings in Thailand do not cause motorists to stop unless you force them. One wonders why they painted the stripes there at all.

So we are continually amazed that different cultures create a very different expected norm of behaviour in different nationalities. I think reasonable behaviour is taught to people by their parents when they are children, so should be automatic without thinking as adults.

Only in some countries, as children, we are taught to watch where we are going. If cut someone off or bumped into someone, our parents would immediately teach us the right thing. "Watch where we are going!" My culture tends to promote having a space between people and not being in their face. Groups of Indians in bars, seem to party almost right in your face high fiving each other with no suitable space maintained. It is probably totally normal for them. However some of us feel uncomfortable having view blocked, or will drink be knocked over, etc. Okay Bar has no spare seats we are used to touching those that sit side by side, but standing guys jumping around in front of me is disturbing. Drunk Farang guys insisting on standing but lacking the balance to avoid crashing into others is also a problem.[/QUOTE]Believe or not, I know about the Chinese even when I visited China in the late 80's 90's but I never really noticed or pay any attention maybe because I did pushing on my own. Although I'm Chinese made in the USA brand I come from the largest Chinese community so pushing was part of growing up in Chinatown I never complain if they were older that is how I was taught good or bad. On this particular bus line, it is free for all.

I have nothing against Indians only know one or two that I work with and they weren't really Indian born and raised in England but had some shortcomings may be from their old school parents?

My reference with them here is really based on what I read here and what I've seen around town for a number of years even before they got here in the large numbers.

I get it with the Chinese on the tour groups but the Indians it isn't the pushing it is like they are clueless and refuse or demand the street or road. On a number of occasions, I'm walking in a straight path they seem to walk straight at you and intentionally bump into you as if looking for a fight. Last, week on Soi Baukhao a heavily used road no sidewalks I was pulling my bike out of the parking spot, had to wait for traffic to clear a group of Indians was walking toward me talking to each other it was a minute or two before they even got to me yet when they did the group the largest guy in front just walked right into me as he was blind. I put out my hand and held the big guy from walking full force into me and the bike. He just looked at me and I said motor and tailpipe is hot!

Never been to Indian from what I hear most likely never well unless I need some cheap medical treatment? I know the Soi is tight and no sidewalk but how do they just walk down the middle without any caution even considering there might be a vehicle behind or in front of them. Go down Soi Honey or Soi 21 where PP massage is located they are clueless?

As for the Thais maybe they are more Chinese than they think? My wife jokes around all the time about my culture but I've pointed out often that Thais are just as bad! With Thais they think they are perfect like to criticize other races and stereotype but they aren't far off from others!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2369410]I totally agree with you. What is this phenomenon? I have been told by chicks that Indians pay the most while White brothers only want to get drunk, watch sports, argue, and at the end of it all, cheat them out of the money they are owed.

Funny how in this thread it is said Indian brothers are not good mongers because they don't pay enough etc (this while the several Indian discos on Walking Street are packed to the rafters with chicks), and in the Angeles thread it is said the Korean brothers are not good mongers because they pay too much and take all the good girls.

I personally do not care what anyone else is doing with their hookers. I just get the one I am going to get and walk off into the sunset a happy man.[/QUOTE]People like to believe that their own shit does not stink. Personally I don't give a shit about what the other guy is doing or what he is getting. I usually get what I want and that is all that ever matters to me.

And this goes not just for behaviour but also prices. I pay what I think is fair and what is affordable to me. Impact on market means nothing to me.

[QUOTE=Ebauche;2369265]My only "beef" (closest I can get to a sacred cow joke) with Indians in mongering environments is how I've repeatedly experienced posses of them creating an unpleasant situation for other mongers..............[/QUOTE]Indians behave remarkably well in FKKs in Germany.

[QUOTE=Franga;2369390]Bar girls don't work for themselves. They work for their families. Parents, grandparents, children, siblings. They need to buy a better house, a motorbike, a sack of rice, gas for cooking, clothes, pork, education supplies, medical needs, cellphones, cable TV, etc all for their Isaan families. Having 20 k baht in their pocket each month does not mean that it is there for their own discretionary spending.

Also, as far as I know bargirls work everyday, not 20 days each month. They don't have 10 days off per month so that they can flit around the mall with all their excess discretionary funds that you might think that they have.[/QUOTE]At Secret's bar, they get a couple of days off each month. And last month when I was in Pattaya I am sure there were many ladies that went days without a BF. Several of the ladies seemed quite desperate for a BF. The more attractive girls may do fairly well in lean times, but many of the girls are not raking in the cash by any means. But if girl goes into the business to pay off a family debt, they may need to work months or years to do so, and once they pay it off, then the mother tells the girl they could use a new car (been told that by one). So how many customers will a girl have to endure to buy that new car?

For many, they want to get out, but the demands of the family and their sense of responsibility to their family keeps them in it. Spending some time with a BG talking real talk can result in some eye opening realizations.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2369512]Indians behave remarkably well in FKKs in Germany.[/QUOTE]FKKs also employ very Germanic security. If you misbehave or cause problems, you will be dealt with.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2369558]But if girl goes into the business to pay off a family debt, they may need to work months or years to do so, and once they pay it off, then the mother tells the girl they could use a new car (been told that by one). So how many customers will a girl have to endure to buy that new car?[/QUOTE]Watched a documentary a few years back about Filipino domestic workers. One had been working as a singer for 8 years overseas, sending money back so she could start her own business. Eventually went home to find that her father and brothers and drunk / gambled every cent she sent back AND sold her car. Thailand is no different. All the money that get sent back just gets spent.

I have a friend in Thailand (not p4 p) who makes ok money, 25 k / month, and her family back on the family are always asking for her to send back more money. She doesn't ask me for money and I don't give her any. I buy her things and take her out for nice dinners and lunches, but tht's something I like doing.

This is more of a general report of my most recent visit to Pattaya, the second in as many years. This time it was a short 3 day trip.

Mad Rush.

The goal was basically to have sex with as many women as possible. I banged 9 chicks in 3 days, mostly during day time as I regularly hit the bed at 9 pm. So my options were quite limited but Pattaya has enough options for such types too, love you Pattaya. On average I spent about 6 k daily on mongering out of my 10 k budget. I am sure if I hit WS I could have exhausted the budget. I did not bother haggling anywhere as it made no sense to save 10% or whatever.

Honey 2.

Had the best fucks here, in terms of looks actually. Chose the 4 k Baht girls. One was not keen but was a 8/10 in looks so I basically fucked her purely for looks alone. Another was a 7/10 and was very friendly and cooperative. The only problem was it was impossible to hold for long since the girls were quite hot. And the worst part is after fucking these beautiful dolls, I could hardly get a boner from Soi 6 girls. Being an Indian with restricted entry to bars on WS plus hitting the bed early meant I had to walk aorund Soi 6 a lot to find the one that piqued my interest. Though I visited rasputin, Sabai etc, Honey 2 had the best ones for my taste.

LK Metro.

Easy to find better than average girls, but since I stayed right next door to Soi 6, this was not my preferred hunting ground. But I did pick up couple of girls form bars here and both experiences were quite good. Girls shared their Whatsapp numbers and even messaged next day to come back.

Soi 6.

Girls were average except for a few good ones and finding that diamond in the rough takes time and patience and lot of walking. The below average and average experiences were from girls who did not speak a word of English. In fact, 2 times I stopped in the middle of the act since I couldn't finish because either the girl had terrible baby damage or she was just a robot or both. I had no time to waste so I simply dressed up, did not tip though they were paid in full and left the room while they were sitting there like duh. With time being precious I did not want to waste a pop. Simply walked over to another bar and found another chick to drain my balls. My takeaway is to find girls who are cute and can converse with you in English, these ones gave the best company.

Hotel massage.

The hotel where I stayed near Soi 6 also offered in-room massages. Though the massage was good with a happy ending, the young and hot ones did not provide extras no matter if I offered a 2 k or 3 k tip while the older ones did for much much less. Sigh! Also if you are the type who likes to be pampered from head to toe at a real massage place don't forget to try the nantika spa on beach road.

Happy hunting.