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[QUOTE=Fun And Sun]I definitely second that opinion (except maybe the point about mongerer homicides being common?). [/QUOTE]
Did not say "mongerer's homicides were common" although it is under-reported. That homicide reference was about the general populous.
[QUOTE=Bonzo1] Vibing with the girls, however, was a big issue. I found Pattaya girls to be too hardened for my taste.
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I agree. They've become a lot harder in the last couple of years. Tourists (not seasoned mongers) have spoiled them!
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2. The sex scene, though massive, is very homogenous - despite the many options for places to meet girls, it all feels very much the same after a few days...primarily because the girls tend to be (and say and do) all the same (things).
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I agree. It's starting to feel like Patong, IMO.
[b]Galaxy Bar, Walking Street - "European women".[/b]
I checked this place out briefly a few months ago, but decided to check it out again again because I couldn't believe a previous poster who said the barfine was US$1,000. I sat and ordered a drink and watched the pole-dancing Russian girls - some hotties. Within 2 minutes a hot blonde Ukranian girl was all over me, trying to get lady-drinks from me. At 1000Bt minimum, I said no thanks, I'm leaving soon. Next a topless Russian brunette started lap-dancing on me while Blondie kept stroking me with a smile. The 3-minute lap-dance finished, and Brunette asked for tips to be stashed in her garter belt. I said no thanks. At that moment, Blondie and Brunette looked at me with disgust, got up and left and targeted some Arab guys.
I asked the Thai waitress about barfines, and she confirmed - US$1,000, plus whatever is negotiated with the girl for sex!!! I laughed and said she must be joking - I can get a girl with no barfine, or at most, US$20. She said "But these are European girls". I replied "Yes, for rich stupid guys". She winked and laughed in agreement. The Galaxy Club drink list made me cough up my Jack D - some bottles of expensive whiskey or champagne for 75,000Bt. That is not a misprint. I left after my drink and went next door to Polo Club (same owner).
[b]Polo Club[/b]
At Polo Club next door I watched the fun floor show, got a great back, arm and neck massage by two girls while I watched the show, and an hour later I barfined the cuter girl massaging me - for 500BT (the cutie in the photos).
[b]Performing Vaginas[/b]
Cutie and I left Polo Club, and I asked her to take me somewhere fun. She took me to a small hidden upstairs bar in Walking Street where her room-mate works as a waitress (Play Bar), and we watched the bizarre show for about 30 minutes. It was a series of two-minute acts, with various girls getting onto the stage, doing interesting things involving their vaginas (can I say "vaginas" on ISG?).
The performing vagina acts involved sharp-shooting with ping-pong balls, sucking up boiled eggs from the outer-labia towards the cervix, cigarette-smoking vaginas, etc. One skilled girl managed to shoot darts from a tube in her pussy and burst a balloon she asked me to hold up. Another girl showed how she could pull a long string with about 20 razor blades attached from deep within her pussy. There were only three guys in the tiny bar, including me. I had more fun watching the two young guys' faces of horror than I did watching the acts.
After showing the girls a few of my own amateur magician tricks to their laughter, they threw me the razor blades - fake of course, but still sharp enough to be dangerous.
My girl for the night said it's the first time she had been at her room-mate's club - maybe she was being honest - she's new from Isaan, and looked shocked at the acts.
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Another photo of Cutie - more in photo gallery.
[QUOTE=Piper1][b]Galaxy Bar, Walking Street - "European women".[/b]
I asked the Thai waitress about barfines, and she confirmed - US$1,000, plus whatever is negotiated with the girl for sex!!! ...The Galaxy Club drink list made me cough up my Jack D - some bottles of expensive whiskey or champagne for 75,000Bt - that is not a misprint. I left after my drink and went next door to Polo Club (same owner). [/QUOTE]
Excellent report. But who are the whackos paying these prices? Ordinary Japanese and Arabs aren't, I am sure. Also, someone posted about Craigslist prices and said something about supply and demand.
Although it takes all types, yet you were able to get a better deal and probably service from a LBFM for 500bt next door in a joint run by the same clows. Only in Thailand?
[QUOTE=Amjeck]It's just a matter of money. You probably didn't offer enough for the LT. Stunners are now getting 3000-5000 LT. I don't now if your girl was a stunner, but these prices just show where the market is headed. Pattaya, unfortunately, is falling apart! [/QUOTE]Your comment is. Sorry to say. Just nonsense. The girls are laughing at the stupid guys paying such silly amounts of money! Probably you are one of those tourists who just stay a few days and are not patient enough to choose a nice one.
[QUOTE=The Departed][QUOTE=Dans Asia]QUOTE]Dan: Fist fuckees are a niche market. For example, less than 10% of Pattaya hos will do ass fucking. Many are opposed to it on ideological reasons and other have tried it with the wrong guy. I always get them to open up like they are having a crap and ease into my dick. Not all of them want that.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I get that. So where and how do you find these girls willing to do it. How / what do you ask.
Even more important - what do you pay?
I have been visiting LOS for the past 10yrs been to many places in LOS and just booked my next trip in October. I am considering Pattaya as my last visit was a blast.
What I was hoping for from you fellow mongerers was a "real" opinion of Pattaya of late. From the reports here it goes from one extreme to another ie Totally dead, no tourists, costs 500bht to 1500bht to very expensive, many tourists, low quality 3000 bht+
On all my visits I would average between 1000-2000bht regardless of venue ie GoGo, beer bar, disco with very very little refusal, quality 6/7 to 9. That said experience of GoGos not as much as bars/discos etc
Please could someone provide an unbiased view as there seems to be alot of conflicting opinions here as in the past there did not seem to be so much focus by type/venue/quality eg Spinners getting 3000bht+, you simply made an offer of what you were willing pay regardless of venue/type and got an answer. More often than not its accepted. It seems there are so many variables now as to what a monger should/should not pay or where to go etc
I would be very greatful to anyone who can provide the "real" lowdown in simple terms
The average going rate?
Is it really busy/dead for tourist/mongering numbers?
General opinion of quality and type of girls. One shot, GFE (usually hit and miss)
Some of the quality places (vary over time/management)
General opinion of Pattaya vs 2/3 yrs ago
Anyone who can provide this I would definately buy a pint in appreciation even if only virtual for now, unless your in Patts in October.
Above aside, as always this is still a great site and ground zero for mongering all over the world so keep up the great info guys.
Roy
[QUOTE=Tom Mabuhay]Your comment is. Sorry to say. Just nonsense. The girls are laughing at the stupid guys paying such silly amounts of money! Probably you are one of those tourists who just stay a few days and are not patient enough to choose a nice one.[/QUOTE]
I never pay those amounts, but lots of people do. And, I agree the girls are laughing at the guys who pay those prices. They are succeeding in getting away with this more and more now. These prices are only quoted by gogo girls, not freelancers.
Lately, I've heard on the opening: 2000 ST 3000LT from most gogo girls. I never pay that amount, but they try to stab me with it, even though they know i'm a local and speak Thai.
I'm just relating what I see and hear, and I've never heard prices like this until this year.
[QUOTE=Piper1][b]Galaxy Bar, Walking Street - "European women".[/b]
I checked this place out briefly a few months ago, but decided to check it out again again because I couldn't believe a previous poster who said the barfine was US$1,000.
I asked the Thai waitress about barfines, and she confirmed - US$1,000, plus whatever is negotiated with the girl for sex!!! I laughed and said she must be joking[/QUOTE]
$1000 for a fucking bar fine? Man I have died and gone to hooker heaven and monger hell.
amjeck - thai mentality - business is DOWN, raise prices to make up for it
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[QUOTE=Illogic]$1000 for a fucking bar fine? Man I have died and gone to hooker heaven and monger hell.[/QUOTE]
Galaxy has been a big clip joint for as long as I remember. The ONLY time I went in, they actually charged me 150 baht for ice! The girls went around doing little lap dances and insisted you tip them for their little (and I do mean little) bump and grind like in the USA (cash in the garter) and really coped an attitude if you tipped less than a 50 baht note. Saw the reaction of one person, waved off the rest and got the hell out of there!!
There is another place closer to the entrance of Walking Street called Moulin Rouge. I'm presuming it operates under the same premise. The economy has hit Walking Street hard. The girls from the clip joints are now on the street trying to hustle customers upstairs (never saw that before).
If you really are looking for a taste of Europe in Pattaya, I noticed enough freelancers on Beach Road and Walking Street to satisfy any urge. Mostly 5-6.s's but a sprinkling of 7's and up. Good hunting!!
V nice report Bonzo. I particularly agree with your distinction between 'sex' and 'mongering' destinations and, yes, Pattaya definitely falls in the former category.
However, I don't agree that Pattaya isn't for singles. I don't really see why it's worse than, say, Bangkok, both of which I've been to as a single.
Anyway, nice report.
[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Spent a couple weeks in Pats recently. Here's my take, in no particular order.
First, a general comment. Pattaya is a serious, hardcore, sex city. I differentiate between sex and mongering. For me, mongering is an experience of the entire thing, from leading up to the sex to after the sex. Pattaya, in my view, ranks pretty low on the experience category. Partly because it's so pushy, partly because the major sex areas are pretty gross (I mean filthy), and partly because it's a place where most people go to have as much sex as possible, and not much else.
It's not at all uncommon for a girl to promise LT and then run out after the first pop. You'll also hear, "what's your name? Where are you from?" more times than you can count. Most of the girls have little more to offer conversationally than that, and if they did they wouldn't really bother anyway. It's all about the score, for both sides.
The discos are packed, loud, dark, and 100% WG's. Not the Bangkok type where some of them might be open to it but not full-time WG's - these are all 100% WG's on a mission. I also found that the disco girls can actually be fairly picky, which is a bit odd. An interesting dichotomy at least. Some of the girls in the discos can be a bit more interesting (and sometimes hotter) at least, and for people on a budget it avoids the barfines. Also, I found pulling girls out of discos to be both the best and the worst experiences (in a variety of ways, including some real headcases) - maybe partly because you have a hard time seeing and learning what you are getting in those dark, loud places. But YMMV.
The go go's break down into three categories:
1. Pretty, boring girls (Super Baby and Super Girls, Heaven Above (though this one can be a bit more fun), Diamond, etc.)
2. Mix of girls, mostly not very good looking but a few diamonds in the rough (the vast majority), and environment varies but pretty much just "pick a girl" because you're not really gonna have much more fun than that in there.
3. Places with short-time rooms.
The girls will mostly expect to be barfined or push you to do it pretty fast, though it can be a fun delay or deny the barfines and just have fun with them for a while. This is a LOT more fun with friends than solo.
Which brings me to a point - amazingly, or ironically, I didn't find Pattaya to be a good place for single guys at all. It can be a really lonely place after a few days.
However, if you want as much sex as humanly possible in a short amount of time, Pattaya can definitely satisfy that!
I didn't do too much in beer bars (or "bar beers"), although I felt that might have been a mistake. However, the few times I did go in I got immediately bored by the same shtick as I'd heard a million times elsewhere - "what's your name? Where you from? You barfine me?".
I enjoyed the BJ and short-time bars a bit more than most places. They are certainly not really what I'd call a great night out, but there was a lot less BS and some of the girls were actually pretty good looking and talented. Much less trouble too. Bringing a good one home is always the best (and sometimes off the hook), but the bad ones are pure headache, or worse. And I'd put odds of getting a really bad one at about 1 in 3 or 1 in 4. Again, YMMV.
There are exceptions, and there is definitely fun to be had here. Some of the performances at my hotel were pretty spectacular. Also, some of these things might appeal to others. I'm not judging. To each his own. But overall I did not find Pattaya to be a really fun place - just a place for massive amounts of fairly cheap sex.
Hope that's of use to you all.
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[QUOTE=Artful]
However, I don't agree that Pattaya isn't for singles. I don't really see why it's worse than, say, Bangkok, both of which I've been to as a single.
[/QUOTE]True - and you don't have to stay single in either place anyway. For example, I had a new girlfriend last night in Pattaya for two hours for 1,000BT.
[QUOTE=Big Daddy 1906]Galaxy has been a big clip joint for as long as I remember. The girls went around doing little lap dances and insisted you tip them for their little (and I do mean little) bump and grind like in the USA (cash in the garter) and really coped an attitude if you tipped less than a 50 baht note. [/QUOTE]Insist inshmist - I didn't ask for the lapdance, and I didn't tip. You're right - I copped an attitude as result, but my attitude was "who cares?" I had a laugh and moved on next door for real fun.
I still wonder if anyone pays their ridiculous prices. $1000!