Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1593397]Yes we just call it a "rumour" when its hearsay, and what you actually see are "experiences". I never saw girls in Crazy House wearing G strings so that was weird. Probably temporary measure. The line up can vary, and deteriorates when late. In general the line up has gone down hill over time in that there are some relatively ordinary girls and even a couple of ugly ones. Fortunately there are still some very superior looking girls there.

I don't BF girls there so often, but have sometimes. 2 were good, most average and one looked good but very poor. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Strictly speaking rumors and hearsay are two different things. A rumor is a piece of unverified information of uncertain origin usually spread by word of mouth. Hearsay is unverified information heard or received from another. The important difference is in one case the original source is known, in the other it is not. The person who made the claim about Crazy House's ownership is known to me, so my statement is hearsay. Because I am not going to disclose who told me this, if you repeat my statement you are spreading a rumor.

Even though I spent more time at Crazy House than in any other single venue, it was not my favorite hangout. On my first visit to Crazy House I enjoyed the delectable eye candy and ended up BFing one of the older ladies, on whom I will soon write a report. I think I kept going back hoping for another lineup like the one I saw the first time. I also spent time at Suzy Wong, Baccara and Doll House in Soi Cowboy; and Rainbows 1 & 4, Spanky's and Mercury in Nana Plaza. Mercury had the best drinks at the best prices and the friendliest, no pressure attitudes. The ladies were on par with those at the other venues. Frankly, other than my first visit to Crazy House, I didn't see huge variations in the quality of the lineups from one venue to the next. Each venue had some ladies whom I found unattractive and a couple whom I enjoyed looking at. At every venue I was indifferent to most of the ladies.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1593209]Will SC and NEP go gos remain open inspite of the no alcohol day tomorrow (Saturday)? I am not fussed about being served drinks (hardly drink) but it would be a bummer to see all of these places closed up.

P.s. What about Climax / Mixx etc? Can someone recommend any alternatives for tomorrow night in case both the Go-Gos or the clubs are likely to be closed.[/QUOTE]As a service to the community, I decided to pick up my boots and go check out the situation in the Nana area yesterday (Friday) night. Expect it will be the same tonight (Saturday) because it is also a religious holiday.

First, Nana Entertainment Plaza is closed. All the lights are off, there is nobody in, and there is a bored-looking guard sitting at the entrance preventing people from entering the Plaza. So no go-go bars!

However, there is still some action to be had. As you walk down Soi Nana, there are massage parlors with girls in uniform hanging out on the edge of the sidewalk offering their services. I did not partake, but I am pretty sure these include some sort of "release". You can easily tell the proper massage places from the naughty ones, and there weren't many proper ones.

Then there are plenty of streetwalkers lining up Soi Nana. On one side they are pretty much all real women (not ladyboys). These are not streetwalkers as much as streetstanders, because they do not move much. A guy who lives next door remarked that the offering was much better in quality and quantity than a normal day, probably because all the girls who normally work in go-go bars got thrown back on the street instead.

I actually picked up a cute one named Mii. I paid 1000 Baht for short time. While walking towards the hotel I asked her if she'd be willing to show her Identification Card to the hotel clerk. She frowned a bit at that and the vibe started to chill but I plowed through as if nothing had happened. Inside of course she did not show her I. The. Card, and I did not bring it up again, but she had gotten the message and was very respectful of my belongings, never being outside the shower without me. So I did the right thing in the end.

A skillful bit of finger-fucking her pussy soon evaporated the tension, and I had a great time. Towards the end I had her fuck me in the reverse cowgirl position. It looked like she would go on forever bouncing up and down my cock. Now that's unrushed service! Just the thought of banging her forever made my cock explode, of course, and forever turned into 30 seconds. But I'd banged her hard in 3 other positions before so I definitely got my money's worth. At the end she just collapsed on my shoulder and lay there unmoving, a touching display of exhaustion that no other hooker had ever done to me before. I must be getting better with age.

Anyway, if you want drinks, there are a couple of bars open on Soi Nana serving beer, albeit in a more discreet way than usual (plastic tinted glass, not bottle). So the ban on alcohol is only "selectively" enforced. There were also a lot of touts in their tuk-tuks handing out flyers about this place or that place being open, but I did not take them up on it, so I don't know the quality.

One thing I noticed is that at 2 am when the bars closed there were some stunning girls appearing from nowhere on the street trying to get paying customers. So that maybe a good plan, if you can stay sober that long. There was one in particular who was eye-fucking me, and I almost gave in, but amazingly reason (or tiredness?) prevailed.

In summary, it's not a regular night, but if you come to Nana something always happens.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1593400]I share your preference. The 1000 baht price has not changed, but in 2007 it was a no-negotiation price that got you a good looking under-30 streetwalker who'd usually perform well, for 2 shots if you asked. These days, 1 k is the rock-bottom price at Sukhumwit, taken by uglier girls, and only reluctantly after they try to negotiate, realize their prospects are grim and ain't getting more. The scene has gone down the drain in terms of average quality and numbers too.

Comparison only holds for sex deserts like the US / UK / Saudi Arabia. The West includes places like Frankfurt where 30 euro (1200 baht) gets you laid, although for something decent you need to shell out 2-4 times that. To be honest, Sukhumwit freelancers are not even close to good looking, so looks are not a major sticking point, though service is still usually better in Thailand.

Of course you can still get it from the repeats or oilies. But it used to be the 90% chance of getting it from any girl you pick, and some mongers like me have a penchant for trying out new girls. If I wanted to stick to the same few girls over and over, the giks would do the job just fine (though this route takes more time and is not viable past a certain age).[/QUOTE]Croc, spot on. Agree 100%. Back "then" I hardly ever repeated with girls. Took two or three new gals every week and almost everyone of them was great. Did not have to cultivate anything. Now I am hesitant to take new gals even at the oilies as it is really YMMV now.

BKK is a shadow if its former self compared with 10 years ago. I don't think anyone who lives here would disagree.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1593392]And Pink, have a look at tptp76's description of sex with Cheer a few posts below. That pretty much sums up experiences with the vast majority of gals I took "back in the day. " It also sums up my expectations of every gal that I take with the exception of A levels. As I stated, maybe one in ten were not up for that type of sex. FLs, gogo gals, etc. Now you have to go to the oilies to have the same percentage chance of getting it. I was a FL guy back then as well. Had hundreds of gals out of Thermae pre-'07 before the complete Japanese takeover. There were none there till late '01.[/QUOTE]That poster's report was exactly what I was thinking about in remarking that what interests you can be easily found in 2014.

Moreover experienced guys living in LOS for many years should have had little trouble hooking up with hotties for great service at bargain basement prices, as is regularly reported on these forums.

Regarding Thermae, some recent reports indicate it is making a come back.

Although if it's the 1990's you want to relive & time travel back to, with clingy GFE everywhere & LTs & always cheaper than LOS, you might consider some other SEA destinations.

Personally I'll stick with LOS as the best place on the planet for the last 7 years & into the forseeable future. But if there's somewhere else you think is better, or even similar, please do tell.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1593209]Will SC and NEP go gos remain open inspite of the no alcohol day tomorrow (Saturday)? I am not fussed about being served drinks (hardly drink) but it would be a bummer to see all of these places closed up.

P.s. What about Climax / Mixx etc? Can someone recommend any alternatives for tomorrow night in case both the Go-Gos or the clubs are likely to be closed.[/QUOTE]What I've seen in the past when places are closed (and sorry I cannot tell you either way but my guess is yes, they are closed) is that the hotel bars remain open. On Soi 4 Golden Bar at the Nana Hotel looks like a beacon in the dark. Not that you are looking for alcohol, but the number of freelancers on the street seems to multiply as they have no where else to go either. The massage places are open too and that gives you much to choose from. Oilies, soapies and knock shops masquerading as massage shops.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1593400]Of course you can still get it from the repeats or oilies. But it used to be the 90% chance of getting it from any girl you pick, and some mongers like me have a penchant for trying out new girls. If I wanted to stick to the same few girls over and over, the giks would do the job just fine (though this route takes more time and is not viable past a certain age).[/QUOTE]My experience this afternoon is a perfect example. Went to Cherry and tried one of the new gals. It was meh at best. No rimming, lackluster BJ with poorly developed skill set, did not even want a finger in her tuchus. No action in the shower, fake moaning, urgh, need I go on? And this is at a PSE place!

What do I expect? A PSE experience. A gal that pins my legs in the air and rims me like a starving sea lamprey. A gal that shoves her tongue down my throat when we first kiss. A gal that gets that hungry crazed look in her eye and revels in making me squirm. I don't care if she is just a good actress. A gal who can take me up and down several times before I shoot my first load. A gal who even though I am spent is bound and determined to get a second or third shot out of me. A gal that knows how to use her body in every which way. In short a gal who has sex like she is making a porn flick or is screwing a boyfriend she is hot for.

Harken back to the days of Barons and then Tulip. Saeng said, "All girls do everything. " And she meant it. If you booked a gal at Tulip then you knew what you were in for. No guessing, no wondering, no exceptions. Gals that did not perform did not last.

Today those gals are few and far between. Why? Because most punters accept what they get. If the service is sub-par they won't tell the owner and many times won't even comment to the gal. Add to it owners who don't train the gals properly and this is what you get. Mediocrity.

[quote=paulkausch;1593417]strictly speaking rumors and hearsay are two different things. a rumor is a piece of unverified information of uncertain origin usually spread by word of mouth. hearsay is unverified information heard or received from another. the important difference is in one case the original source is known, in the other it is not. the person who made the claim about crazy house's ownership is known to me, so my statement is hearsay. because i am not going to disclose who told me this, if you repeat my statement you are spreading a rumour.
[/quote]yeh yeh, the person who told you may have been told by someone else.

splitting straws doesn't matter. you get information from another person, you still don't "know" it. labelling it a "rumour" certainly makes it clear its not a fact in one concise word. i am not criticizing your story by the way. it is probably / possibly quite true. i have seen certain establishments like crazy house flout the alcohol rules too. as of ****, that is real common in the bars. anyway if someone told me something, i am quite happy to call it a "rumour" with no problem. e. g. the rumour i heard, from a possibly reliable source in cowboy bar management, is that there is strong suspicion that the "arab" runs his coyote bars to launder money as they have no hope of making a real profit. sounds more reasonable than the other rumour that he is trying to stamp out prostitution. lol. i have been into one of his bars on occasion, but they were never busy, so was hard to see hope of reasonable money coming in even if drinks were expensive.

some guys in bars are very talkative and tell me some very far fetched stories at times. some of the most unbelievable could easily be close to the truth. one would never know.

nothing we read on the forum can be considered fact, even if some writers are fairly reliable. so rumours, hearsay, whatever are acceptable. what i don't particularly like is when someone reads something controversial some where else and then re posts it, just to stir up trouble, then claims they don't necessarily agree with it.

one guy sees a girl leave somewhere on a motorbike driven by a young thai man. some have the imagination to make wonderful speculation of what that all means, how often he gets sex, etc. for me its just girl left on motorbike driven by someone else. i don't care if he is a boyfriend, a gay, a cousin, a paid driver, or whatever.

[quote=syzygies;1593502]yeh yeh, the person who told you may have been told by someone else.[/quote]my eyes told me there were very young girls on the stage; my source was one of crazy house's managers, who told me to take one of them upstairs if i was interested. otherwise i would not have bothered repeating the story. my main point isn't who the real owner is, it is that the girls there who look **** apparently are ****.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1593548]My eyes told me there were very young girls on the stage; my source was one of Crazy House's managers, who told me to take one of them upstairs if I was interested. Otherwise I would not have bothered repeating it.[/QUOTE]Sure. No disagreement. I thought the topic was the possible ownership by the Police. The age issues are very well known.

My last girl at CH was "19" and her tits still seemed to be growing, as definitely looked bigger than a few months earlier, increased from B+ cup to a C++ cup. I did not check Id, but she did not ask me to go upstairs. I hope she really was 19. I would like to go again.

[quote=paulkausch;1593548]my eyes told me there were very young girls on the stage; my source was one of crazy house's managers, who told me to take one of them upstairs if i was interested. otherwise i would not have bothered repeating the story. my main point isn't who the real owner is, it is that the girls there who look **** apparently are ****.[/quote]my eyes told me the same and that is why i have not returned.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1593489]What I've seen in the past when places are closed (and sorry I cannot tell you either way but my guess is yes, they are closed) is that the hotel bars remain open. On Soi 4 Golden Bar at the Nana Hotel looks like a beacon in the dark. Not that you are looking for alcohol, but the number of freelancers on the street seems to multiply as they have no where else to go either. The massage places are open too and that gives you much to choose from. Oilies, soapies and knock shops masquerading as massage shops.[/QUOTE]Beer Garden is busy this afternoon. The only difference is that you cannot get beer in a bottle. It has to be served in a glass. Go figure!

SW.

**** girls in ch? i don't believe it. it defies reason, logic and business sense. furthermore, it is one of those slanderous rumors that can never be 100% disproved. for what earthly reason would the owners with a large amount of invested capital venture to risk throwing it all away? ch is not some back alley shop in chinatown where that kind of thing may be available for an almost entirely asian clientele. sukhumvit soi 23 is times square. nobody could expect to get away with running a go go with a few **** girls for very long and there is no economic justification for it. i went to ch a number of times. no one came up to me and asked if i wanted an **** girl for 5000bt. all the girls were going for 2500bt st and all were over 18. business was booming. rumor, innuendo, slander; i don't care what you call it, unless you know for a fact there are **** girls there, it is very unwise to post such frivolous speculation. this web site has spies. just slinging a few of these words together probably captures a record mechanism. do we want cowboy go go's raided and harassed like ac bars? there is a huge damper on the vibe in ac at the moment. it is less fun there than it used to be. 99% of the raids failed to produce one **** girl. the raids were nothing more than extortion exercises and pr stunts. so please cut it out. a 19 year old can look mighty young. so what? her looks do not mean a damn thing.

i fear that this post is going to generate a response and this topic will live on for a few weeks. i wish that were not the case. let's try to be responsible in what we write. unless you have first hand info please refrain from adding to the speculation and rumor.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1593562]My eyes told me the same and that is why I have not returned.[/QUOTE]Yes, eyes can tell. Same thing with that (supposedly) "19 year old" massage girl that solicits me almost every time I exit Villa Market on Soi 11. Something very very fishy going on in that plaza.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1593157] On the other hand girls have been burned by customers who fuck and then mysteriously seem to have no money. [/QUOTE]Picture this: High season, 3 AM in the vicinity of NPL, a women's voice is heard yelling along with (apparent) distinct sound of fists contacting human flesh echoing down the Soi, the (sparse by that hour) "crowd" then moves toward the commotion which seems centered near the Tuk Tuk waiting area (to the right of the Nana sign) near where the (I believe) phone booth is, where a 5 ft petite pretty redhead FL is seen among other things dragging around a middle age Chinese bloke and at various times kicking him in the chins and smacking him in the face. The dude is beaten mercilessly for 20 minutes, has his glasses broken, and (wisely) does not respond in kind.

The particular girl is actually quite pleasant most times, although generally volitile even on a good day. Too much booze or yabba and watch out. She was obviously quite a stunner in her day, but is still fairly hot, and would certainly turn heads in London or other places where Ballbusting fems run the show. As it turns out, she she didn't appreciate not being paid, and decided to administer punishment right there and then.

Lesson: "FL's don't take checks."

On the other hand, maybe the dude is just a cheap ass S & M bloke looking for a free beating. NPL in the early AM hours is not exactly where The Chamber of Commerce goes to look to find its "Most Outstanding Citizen of the Year" recipient.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1593489]What I've seen in the past when places are closed (and sorry I cannot tell you either way but my guess is yes, they are closed) is that the hotel bars remain open. On Soi 4 Golden Bar at the Nana Hotel looks like a beacon in the dark. Not that you are looking for alcohol, but the number of freelancers on the street seems to multiply as they have no where else to go either. The massage places are open too and that gives you much to choose from. Oilies, soapies and knock shops masquerading as massage shops.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the suggestion, cowboy is closed tonight, I checked.

NEP only places open are Suckers, angelswitch and dc-10.