Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2384214]Angkor what is the best thing I have seen on this planet.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dinghy;2384270]You cannot do it all in 1 day if it is your first trip. Way too much to see and photo. Well worth the trip.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ChristianG;2384274]In my experience 3 days and 2 nights are better for visit all the best temples around Angkor Wat.[/QUOTE]MrE, Dinghy, Christian thank you very much for the input! I will definitely put Angkor on my bucket list, but for the next trip.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2384279]A problem arises, however, if you only have 2 weeks travel time.
If I were contemplating my 1st 2 week trip to LOS, I would concentrate on BKK & Pattaya. Angkor... and so much more can and should be considered as quality addendums on all subsequent trips.[/QUOTE]Natty, thanks a lot for the detailed explanation considering my limited time! I will follow and will concentrate on BKK and Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Franga;2384205]Try Koh Samet (island) which is fairly close to Pattaya. Water is fairly clean there with nice beaches, but better to go between Mon and Fri rather than a weekend to avoid crowds.[/QUOTE]Franga, thanks for the idea! Will go there as a substitute for Phuket LOL.

Can anybody please answer my second question:

[QUOTE=VsebudetNY;2383382]Also need advice on accommodations do we need to book 2 hotel rooms or look for AirBnB with 2 bedrooms.[/QUOTE]I probably need to provide more details: I'm traveling with long time friend who was with me on multiple mongering trips to DR and the same activity in states. In DR we usually rented 2+ BR villa and were taking 2 girls and swap and / or had fun all together it's like happy hour for each of us (of course everything was discussed and agreed with the girls beforehand) or took 2 girls and 1 room in Field of Dreams (now Oasis). Of course we did it separately also, but 2 x 2 more fun. I did RTFF but couldn't find anything except stories about 4 Indian guys sharing one girl.

So, do we need to book 2 hotel rooms or look for AirBnB with 2 bedrooms in Pattaya and Bangkok?

Thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=VsebudetNY;2384024]Thank you for the advice! Is "1 night 2 full days trip to Siem Reap, Cambodia" worth the hassle?[/QUOTE]I booked a group bus tour from Pattaya, so we saw the temples, a dance show, visited the lake etc. Took a hooker from a house, she brought me back to the hotel on her motorbike. 2 days were packed with events. It all depends on your attitude. If you're interested in details, in discovering a new weird place on a map, then yes, worth a visit.

I have it on some reasonable authority, though I have not been able to verify it myself, that there are hidden spy cameras installed in each of the Tipp Plaza Short term rooms used by Beach Rd hookers. In some sort of box next to the TV. If you don't want to be filmed then just turn the box around apparently. It seems that the manager is a fan of the action going on in these rooms.

I cannot verify this personally but it is my impression that Koh Samet has been overrun with Chinese tourists. I had trouble booking there 6 months ago and changed my plan because of that. Chinese are in full force in Pattaya even though "numbers are down'. Take the Chinese out and Pattaya would be nearly empty. Place where I play pool near Soi 5 2nd road had 5 fairly busy beer bars 6 months ago. Only 1 still open. Went to Red Car last night about 11:30. Maybe 6 women in the place and 4 were taken. Bamboo was filled to the rafters with old peeps like me but I kept going to another favorite up a ways from Kiss Food place. 3 ladies, no customers. A small sampling true.

Whilst not directly related to the (predominantly Hindu) Temples of Angkor for which Pattaya is famed, members who ride or drive in and around the city might like to know that the local plod seems to be having a fund raiser at the moment.

Target seems to be primarily driving / riding under the influence, with not having the correct paper (plastic) work as a consolation prize, rather than the usual "no helmet, pay fine or come police station to pay bigger fine".

Check point was set up on Pattaya-Naklua Road early this week, and across all lanes of Second Road just south of Central Festival 2 nights ago.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2384801]Chinese are in full force in Pattaya even though "numbers are down'. Take the Chinese out and Pattaya would be nearly empty. [/QUOTE]So how current is this? Today or a few weeks ago? I'll be in Pattaya in two weeks after a few days in Bangkok. I've been building up a list on contacts on TF in case Soi 6, LK Metro and around Soi Pothole let me down. So I should be good.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2384964]So how current is this? Today or a few weeks ago? I'll be in Pattaya in two weeks after a few days in Bangkok. I've been building up a list on contacts on TF in case Soi 6, LK Metro and around Soi Pothole let me down. So I should be good.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You won't be disappointed. No shortage of working women, as usual. My comments are boots on the ground fresh.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2384801]Place where I play pool near Soi 5 2nd road had 5 fairly busy beer bars 6 months ago. Only 1 still open.[/QUOTE]If you mean the beer bars on Second Road near Soi 5 Beach Road, the bars have shut because the landlord is redeveloping. As of 11 O'clock today they were merrily knocking out the beer bars, although the one remaining was still stubbornly open and getting covered in dust. Running down the lease? Hoping to sell remaining stock? Taking over the whole area? Who knows?

There appear to be no beer bars near Soi 5 Second Road, which is roughly opposite Hard Rock Hotel. Certainly I don't recall any there in the last 5 years since I first stayed at Twin Palms near there.

Bars don't necessarily close for want of trade. Landlords may have other plans, sell the land or just get plain greedy with rent reviews (typically every 3 years in Thailand) if they see their tenants business doing OK. Owners retire up-country, die, etc.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2384801]Take the Chinese out and Pattaya would be nearly empty.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Downandup;2384964]Soi 6, LK Metro and around Soi Pothole [/QUOTE]Downandup,

In the areas that you mention there is certainly no Chinese invasion, indeed hardly any Chinese presence at all, yet they are by no means empty as C4 T seems to assert. Plenty of harmless high jinks to be had.

Walking Street would be the exception. It is a couple of years since I bothered to go there and the Chinese tour groups playing "follow the leader" and blocking the Street every 100 metres to ensure none of the party had wandered off was bad then, and I would imagine worse now. I understand that some of the Gogos are definitely targeting the Chinese money, but the huge majority of them stick with the tour groups and about as far as they get off the leash would be getting dumped at Terminal 21 for 2 hours.

Also kind of live, soi 6 is full of girls and there are also plenty of girls hanging around LK metro and in the massage shops on soi Honey (near my hotel) and soi pothole. This early afternoon the electricity at the end of solli 6 fell out. So it appears the nightwish girls moved to some other clubs from the group. As I kissed my latest girl goodbye in Pussy club, I had two girls from earlier in the week standing next to us and shaking their heads disapprovingly.

Service is all over the place, some great, some really bad. It took me a while to realize that making out during the LD in de soi 6 bars is kind of normal. Normal because girls don't find it weird and go with it (or not really, which should have been a giveaway for the bad session that followed), only "kind of" because I literally only have seen 1 other dude kissing his girl. I personally don't really get what these punters are getting out of sitting next to girl for a few lady drinks, while playing a child's game or looking at phones. I'm typically "done" with the foreplay, when they have half their drink left. Maybe because I go to soi 6 to fuck and usually directly go to the baht bus when I'm done.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2384964]So how current is this? Today or a few weeks ago? I'll be in Pattaya in two weeks after a few days in Bangkok. I've been building up a list on contacts on TF in case Soi 6, LK Metro and around Soi Pothole let me down. So I should be good. Thanks.[/QUOTE]No need to worry. I was there last week and both LK Metro and soi6 is going strong. I cannot really understand why someone would say that Pattaya would be dead without the Chinese. Yes, maybe the walking street parade would be slightly different. But Chinese punters does not make up a large proportion of the go-go bars or soi 6 customers. There are Japanese and Koreans of course, but fewer Chinese. LK Metro is predominantly farang area. Very seldom to see Chinese and Indians there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2381962]But those prices were for bars and gogos. You are still good with 1000-1500 for discos like iBar, although some guys like to pay more.[/QUOTE]I spent couple of nights in Pattaya. Being lazy, only worked out in Tinder and Wechat and got so many matches in Tinder.

Sooner later a 22 year old girl said she likes Indians and I immediately invited her to go with me. She said she is fine with 500ST and 800 for LT. I drove near to walking street and picked her up. She stayed with me 2 days and finally I paid her 1500 and she was happy. We went to walking street clubs and she is a popular girl there, her friends come and joined me for dancing and couple of them kissed me and I would take it as bonus.

Whenever a friend asks me when they should come to Pattaya, I always say from mid October to end of November is the best time. Girls start flooding back with a bunch of rookies and the droves of guys have not started yet. It beats out May only since it's not as hot.

I remember one night in late October in the now closed Kiss Club on 3rd Road near Lengkee there were over 40 girls almost all good looking and just me. Thai men don't like going to Thai bars early but the girls were there early.

[QUOTE=FreeDude;2385169]Also kind of live, soi 6 is full of girls and there are also plenty of girls hanging around LK metro and in the massage shops on soi Honey (near my hotel) and soi pothole. This early afternoon the electricity at the end of solli 6 fell out. So it appears the nightwish girls moved to some other clubs from the group. As I kissed my latest girl goodbye in Pussy club, I had two girls from earlier in the week standing next to us and shaking their heads disapprovingly.

Service is all over the place, some great, some really bad. It took me a while to realize that making out during the LD in de soi 6 bars is kind of normal. Normal because girls don't find it weird and go with it (or not really, which should have been a giveaway for the bad session that followed), only "kind of" because I literally only have seen 1 other dude kissing his girl. I personally don't really get what these punters are getting out of sitting next to girl for a few lady drinks, while playing a child's game or looking at phones. I'm typically "done" with the foreplay, when they have half their drink left. Maybe because I go to soi 6 to fuck and usually directly go to the baht bus when I'm done.[/QUOTE]Hopefully Thailand has more or less lived up to your expectations.

Thailand is naturally far more prudish than attitudes in Germany, but Pattaya is special, where almost anything goes, proper Thai girls could turn slutty (in a good way). Bangkok behind closed doors can also be naughty, especially Pat Pong. In former times, fucking a girl in the public bar was possible. Gross molesting very normal. Maybe in decline unfortunately. Unfortunately, I found that fucking in the public bar wasn't really my thing, the girls were looking to finish after 10 minutes or less, so fucking in the World FKK Kino (with cheering Italians) was better. As you know short sessions are not my thing.

It seems to me, that there were much less "really bad" girls in Thailand 25 years ago, but certainly plenty of wayward ones, but hard to say why definitively. I guess some of us just get much harder to please.

I think for 30 minutes with a girl, German FKK is good value, but in Thailand the girl becomes good value when taking 1 to 2 hours or best of all, all night. I believe you should try Cambodia as well, if still looking for better value girls (they should be cheaper). However I note most guys prefer Pattaya over Cambodia.

I mostly do private bookings with regular girls, these days, so avoiding buying drinks, paying barfines, or shop overheads, however I am maybe strange in that I can be satisfied with quite a small number of different girls (at least looks and service levels are known and no risks). Even in Germany, I mostly did regulars (but cost more).

[QUOTE=Franga;2384205]No, it is not worth it unless you really have to see it. Try Koh Samet (island) which is fairly close to Pattaya. Water is fairly clean there with nice beaches, but better to go between Mon and Fri rather than a weekend to avoid crowds.[/QUOTE]Koh Samet beaches (at least some of them) can be overrun with debris dropped from tree blossoms or similar depending on the season (my photos will tell. Seems it was September), making beech swimming a bit unpleasant. I was there for that time once. Snorkelling well out from the beech was still good. Would be wise to find out the best seasons for any beech resort visits. E. g. December / Jan is great for Phuket, and February great for Samui. Not always easy to find out though.

Samet is supposed to have clearer water than Pattaya and Hua Hin, but can depend on the season. I think late October to Feb is likely best. I have read complaints about garbage getting into the sea and some seeing Samet as too touristy and expensive.

Thailand has some great tourist attractions for those that have time. Some great places a little difficult to get to. In a 5 week trip, I toured many provinces in my early days. Even took a girl with me on some side trips.