Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2861483]This statement is simply nonsense. There is no standard "PCR test". There are PCR tests for HIV, and different PCR tests for COVID, and different PCR tests for herpes viruses, etc. Each pathogen requires unique "primers", which are synthetic starter DNA molecules that are used for DNA amplification.

As for your second statement: The COVID PCR test is positive for about the first 14 days of infection, although rare (really rare) individuals have been positive for months (especially immunocompromised patients who lack an immune system). Many, many people who die of COVID are PCR (and rapid antigen test) negative before they die. Modern medical techniques can keep them alive for months, long after the virus has stopped replicating.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely correct. In the context of a discussion about PCR tests for Covid, I used the shorthand term "PCR test" instead of "PCR test for Covid".

Also, I should have stated that just about everyone who died of Covid had a positive PCR test (for Covid) prior to their demise.

A couple of weeks ago, I was staying at a new place, and woke up every morning with pain in my lower back. I chalked it up to a new bed.

I was also peeing frequently, which is not normal for me.

After it persisted, I put 2 and 2 together and realized that I probably had a kidney infection. I put myself on a regimen of amoxicillin and ciproflaxcin, which has cleared it up.

I suspect I got the infection from licking the pussy of a lady with a UTI.

Not much you can do to avoid that, except not lick pussy.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2897058]I think No condom ok HERE means BBJ. I asked a japanese friend who used to visit that place, he said it's not BBFS, just BBBJ.

Anal Suck for example in that shop means Rimjob.[/QUOTE]I wondered about that same thing when I first read about the "No Condom Ok" option there from other punters on this forum a few months ago. Then at least one poster here who frequented the Shop verified that it indeed means BBFS+CIP as confirmed by the mamasan there and by his personal experience with one of the girls who stipulated that service. Since then there have been other Field Reports posted in this forum that clearly stipulated that "No Condom Ok" meant BBFS+CIP on the menu of the girls booked and sessioned with.

Otherwise, if it is only referring to a BJ then that would mean fully 33+ of the girls working at Butterfly Massage require you to wear a condom for BJ unless they also include the "No Condom Ok" qualifier.

I would ask your Japanese friend if when he used to visit that shop did he ever book and session a girl who stipulated "No Condom Ok"? Up until a few months ago there were only 3-4 who did. And did the girls he booked and sessioned with who did not stipulate "No Condom Ok" really require him to wear a condom for a simple BJ, including the ones who listed "Mouth Finish" on their profile?

BTW:

ATTENTION: Some of you gents have sent me PMs asking for more information but I can't reply for whatever reason. Maybe you need to empty your mailbox.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2897216]I wondered about that same thing when I first read about the "No Condom Ok" option there from other punters on this forum a few months ago. Then at least one poster here who frequented the Shop verified that it indeed means BBFS+CIP as confirmed by the mamasan there and by his personal experience with one of the girls who stipulated that service. Since then there have been other Field Reports posted in this forum that clearly stipulated that "No Condom Ok" meant BBFS+CIP on the menu of the girls booked and sessioned with.

Otherwise, if it is only referring to a BJ then that would mean fully 33+ of the girls working at Butterfly Massage require you to wear a condom for BJ unless they also include the "No Condom Ok" qualifier.

I would ask your Japanese friend if when he used to visit that shop did he ever book and session a girl who stipulated "No Condom Ok"? Up until a few months ago there were only 3-4 who did. And did the girls he booked and sessioned with who did not stipulate "No Condom Ok" really require him to wear a condom for a simple BJ, including the ones who listed "Mouth Finish" on their profile?

BTW:

ATTENTION: Some of you gents have sent me PMs asking for more information but I can't reply for whatever reason. Maybe you need to empty your mailbox.[/QUOTE]My friend and myself were discussing the dangers of BBFS and that it's just a matter of time this careless habit is going to explode in the MP scene.

One person with some serious STD is going to fuck it up for the rest of us and Thai authorities are going to come hard on them.

Offering BBFS like this is going to encourage others to offer the same services and before you know it Thai authroties are going to issue a blanket ban on all these establishments for a few months.

What my friend assured me that one girl she took who was seen offering no condom services replied to him that it was just for bbj.

I don't know about the other things. If they do offer BBFS so openly, I am not goin to enter that place. These guys are going to cause some serious problems.

That said, many massage girls were sometimes so horny they tried to shove my dick in them with no condoms and it was me who resisted and put the cover back on.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2897216]I wondered about that same thing when I first read about the "No Condom Ok" option there from other punters on this forum a few months ago. Then at least one poster here who frequented the Shop verified that it indeed means BBFS+CIP as confirmed by the mamasan there and by his personal experience with one of the girls who stipulated that service. Since then there have been other Field Reports posted in this forum that clearly stipulated that "No Condom Ok" meant BBFS+CIP on the menu of the girls booked and sessioned with.

Otherwise, if it is only referring to a BJ then that would mean fully 33+ of the girls working at Butterfly Massage require you to wear a condom for BJ unless they also include the "No Condom Ok" qualifier.

I would ask your Japanese friend if when he used to visit that shop did he ever book and session a girl who stipulated "No Condom Ok"? Up until a few months ago there were only 3-4 who did. And did the girls he booked and sessioned with who did not stipulate "No Condom Ok" really require him to wear a condom for a simple BJ, including the ones who listed "Mouth Finish" on their profile?

BTW:

ATTENTION: Some of you gents have sent me PMs asking for more information but I can't reply for whatever reason. Maybe you need to empty your mailbox.[/QUOTE]Ok, Last week, mid afternoon.

Lined Butterfly, requested Zacha for outcall, no condom + anal. The answer came "available 4500 + 1000 + 2000".

The girl I got was quite attractive even though she didn't bear any resemblance with the one on the web site.

Great action, DT, Vaginal, Anal, CIA all BB.

I'd repeat right now if I was in still in Bangkok.

Maybe better to try, instead of pointless speculation.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2897277]My friend and myself were discussing the dangers of BBFS and that it's just a matter of time this careless habit is going to explode in the MP scene.

[/QUOTE]I've been on this forum over a decade and this comment still managed to take my breathe away. This gentleman seriously deserves an award. Sir, I hate to break it to you: you are literally amongst the most hopelessly naive 0. 01% of the world population.

Since time immemorial the BBFS rate has probably been 20-50% without fail in Thailand and actually all SE Asia plus Korea and Japan.

I've participated in raw gangbangs in Germany and Belgium for over ten years now, some with 100 participants.

If you seriously think what you do. You need to get out there and try to get a grip on reality, People don't use condoms. Period.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2897437]I've been on this forum over a decade and this comment still managed to take my breathe away. This gentleman seriously deserves an award. Sir, I hate to break it to you: you are literally amongst the most hopelessly naive 0. 01% of the world population.

Since time immemorial the BBFS rate has probably been 20-50% without fail in Thailand and actually all SE Asia plus Korea and Japan.

I've participated in raw gangbangs in Germany and Belgium for over ten years now, some with 100 participants.

If you seriously think what you do. You need to get out there and try to get a grip on reality, People don't use condoms. Period.[/QUOTE]Ok, that's fine. But bareback doesn't mean that one doesn't protect himself by other means: TENO-them (PREP), Doxy (PREP and / or PEP), Cefixime + Azythromycin (PEP).

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2897437]I've been on this forum over a decade and this comment still managed to take my breathe away. This gentleman seriously deserves an award. Sir, I hate to break it to you: you are literally amongst the most hopelessly naive 0. 01% of the world population.

Since time immemorial the BBFS rate has probably been 20-50% without fail in Thailand and actually all SE Asia plus Korea and Japan.

I've participated in raw gangbangs in Germany and Belgium for over ten years now, some with 100 participants.

If you seriously think what you do. You need to get out there and try to get a grip on reality, People don't use condoms. Period.[/QUOTE]What you don't really get is that men from countries with High rates of HIV infections and other STDs are increasingly finding it easy to travel to Thailand nowadays. These guys won't be able to afford to travel to Europe, which is why things are a bit better in Central and West Europe. HIV infections in East Europe on the other hand is skyrocketing along with other STDs.

I was merely typing a part of the conversation we had and you are not the only person who has smashed chicks with no protection.

The difference is that intelligent men know when and where to do these things with the right women.

Save your sarcasm for someone else, go Fuck around and find out.

I got to say, I agree too. In my long years of being alive, condom use doesn't seem all that common to me. I'm old enough to remember the years when it was not needed at all, with any chick, pro or amateur. But those were also the days when chicks didn't shave down there. Sheesh. Man, I had some crazy times in South East Asia during the war. Nowadays, in Bangkok, I use it just cause. But I'm so old now, I wonder if I should even bother anymore and try BBFS again, I miss the feeling of going into pussy raw. When did I become such a chicken shit coward? Why am I afraid of BBFS? Not even almost, but literally every dude I've ever spoke to who hobbies on a regular basis, says when they go bareback, days and weeks later they check back in and doctor clears them of anything. It's always consequence free. I know I don't have that kind of luck, cause I'm not a lucky person, that's why if I go bareback, my dick would probably fall off the next week. Ha!

[QUOTE=Zam007;2897277]My friend and myself were discussing the dangers of BBFS and that it's just a matter of time this careless habit is going to explode in the MP scene.

One person with some serious STD is going to fuck it up for the rest of us and Thai authorities are going to come hard on them.

Offering BBFS like this is going to encourage others to offer the same services and before you know it Thai authroties are going to issue a blanket ban on all these establishments for a few months.

What my friend assured me that one girl she took who was seen offering no condom services replied to him that it was just for bbj.

I don't know about the other things. If they do offer BBFS so openly, I am not goin to enter that place. These guys are going to cause some serious problems.

That said, many massage girls were sometimes so horny they tried to shove my dick in them with no condoms and it was me who resisted and put the cover back on.[/QUOTE]I know if that happened to me, I'd never be able to resist. It never happens to me, cause I'm a shriveled old guy with a barely functioning dick even with penis pills. All that being said, I do wonder about going bareback. I miss it. I'm so old now, what have I got to lose? I say you lucky fucks there in Bangkok now, just go crazy, and do whatever, until something really bad makes it way thru the chicks, then you can feel like you dodged a bullet. At least you're there. I'm stuck here, not knowing if I will ever be able to go to Thailand to even take such an awesome risk. Beelzebub, I'd sell my soul right now.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2861492]Bizarrely enough they don't seem to, in my limited experience. Sheer stupidity IMO, so best to keep a few packets of the morning-after pill in the house and the girl can swallow it before leaving.

I'm guessing most of those guys simply don't care. Here this week, gone next week, not their problem.[/QUOTE]This was decades ago, but I creampied a hooker here in the shithole northeast city I'm in now, no guesses which city. But a few days later I thought to myself, what if she gets pregnant? Then weeks later, I thought, what if she is pregnant, and with my kid? Years later, I forgot that I even forgot about it. But I still think about how awesome it was to cum insider her. That's all that matters guys. Don't worry about it. Just fuck, cum, and split. That's what the money's for! I'd give anything for more cash now, just so I can spill some seed back in Bangkok.

If they don't know you're real name, you're set. NEVER tell them who you really are.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2897277]My friend and myself were discussing the dangers of BBFS and that it's just a matter of time this careless habit is going to explode in the MP scene.

One person with some serious STD is going to fuck it up for the rest of us and Thai authorities are going to come hard on them.

Offering BBFS like this is going to encourage others to offer the same services and before you know it Thai authroties are going to issue a blanket ban on all these establishments for a few months.

What my friend assured me that one girl she took who was seen offering no condom services replied to him that it was just for bbj.

I don't know about the other things. If they do offer BBFS so openly, I am not goin to enter that place. These guys are going to cause some serious problems.

That said, many massage girls were sometimes so horny they tried to shove my dick in them with no condoms and it was me who resisted and put the cover back on.[/QUOTE]Butterfly Massage has been shut.

I saw this coming. For sure other MPs would have complained because of the pressure it put on them to offer the same services so openly and discussed in multiple forums.

I am surprised it lasted this long.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2901174]I know if that happened to me, I'd never be able to resist. It never happens to me, cause I'm a shriveled old guy with a barely functioning dick even with penis pills. All that being said, I do wonder about going bareback. I miss it. I'm so old now, what have I got to lose? I say you lucky fucks there in Bangkok now, just go crazy, and do whatever, until something really bad makes it way thru the chicks, then you can feel like you dodged a bullet. At least you're there. I'm stuck here, not knowing if I will ever be able to go to Thailand to even take such an awesome risk. Beelzebub, I'd sell my soul right now.[/QUOTE]I have barebacked a lot of times, but most of them were not hookers.

I don't enjoy covered sex as much as bareback, but I want to enjoy sex as long and healthy as I can.

It's only a matter of 1 or 2 more decades when I will also find myself in your situation, until then, I will try and play but also be as safe as I can.

I am glad you enjoyed whenever you could back in the day, but things have changed a lot these days.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2901600]Butterfly Massage has been shut.

I saw this coming. For sure other MPs would have complained because of the pressure it put on them to offer the same services so openly and discussed in multiple forums.

I am surprised it lasted this long.[/QUOTE]OK, everybody can relax.

Not only is the website for Butterfly Massage on Soi 24 just a short walk from Sukhumvit Road and turn left at The Bibimbab restaurant fully functioning:

[B]Butterfly Massage[/B]

[URL]https://butterflymassage.x.2nt.com/english-page/lady_page-e.html[/URL]

But my Boots On The Ground eye witness to the shop tonight at 8 pm confirmed it is Open and Thriving. There are tons of happy, smiling young ladies sitting outside just waiting for business.

Note to any other Massage Shop and / or similar P4P venue in Thailand; I have never seen as much worry and concern that a Sex Shop might be "closed" as I have seen on this site for Butterfly Massage. Its happy customers and potential customers really want that business to stay open, do very well and thrive.

I'm guessing that is because the enlightened, wise and up-to-date owners and management of Butterfly Massage Soi 24 have decided the most profitable, free and fair option is to allow their ladies an easy opportunity to increase their customer traffic and income by simply choosing to check and include BBFS+CIP as "No Condom OK" on their service list profile or not, it being entirely up to each lady.

Moreover, they have not required that any customer must go Bareback / BBFS+CIP with any girl there or anywhere else for any act of sex a girl there or elsewhere agrees to engage in with you. Really. Wear a condom even for DFK and a Handjob every time with every lady at that shop and elsewhere if it makes you happy.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2901669]OK, everybody can relax.

Not only is the website for Butterfly Massage on Soi 24 just a short walk from Sukhumvit Road and turn left at The Bibimbab restaurant fully functioning:

[B]Butterfly Massage[/B]

[URL]https://butterflymassage.x.2nt.com/english-page/lady_page-e.html[/URL]

But my Boots On The Ground eye witness to the shop tonight at 8 pm confirmed it is Open and Thriving. There are tons of happy, smiling young ladies sitting outside just waiting for business.
[/QUOTE]I've been monitoring that website for a few months. At first there were only 1 or 2 girls who allowed no condom. At my last count, it was 11 of 42 girls allowing no condom. I'm old as dirt and BBFS has become the only sex where I can reliably finish. If they want my money, that's what I need.

On a side note, I've had a vasectomy so I'm not worried about pregnancy. For bacterial STDs, I use doxycycline as PrEP. I do worry about viral STDs but have been unaffected so far, perhaps post-sex washing and pissing has saved me so far. I get tested both before and after my semi-annual sexcations.