American Politics

[QUOTE=RunMann;2558058]Yes, You don't even have to wait two weeks, sometimes its just a post or two below and despite being presented with proof, indoctrinated warriors will continue to push their talking points. The vote recount and the election was stolen is now up there with Benghazi fire-fight loop shown on Fox. As to the illogical conclusion below, If America is terrible racist place why are people "breaking their necks to get there. " I will answer that for you oh uninformed one, they are doing so because they percieve it as a land that will offer them better financial opportunities than the one they are currently living in. Going there that does not negate the fact that the place is racist or that they know it is.[/QUOTE]Simplistic fallacious arguments, as the above loaded question you obliterated is a non-sequitur and black and white thinking error / false dilemma wrapped up into one. Such is typically the product of watching too much Fox on the night shift.

Bottom line though is that they thought they were the majority but they are not. Their only hope in national elections is low voter turnout and are willing to lie, cheat, and steal to try and get it. The response is to continue to turn out the vote.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2558026]Finally a sentiment I can agree with.

For "good reason" indeed.

Because the GOP, or its bigger part anyway, is not a political party anymore. It's a cult.[/QUOTE]From day one the cult has been about targeting black and brown folks and wooing racists. It's backlash to the first black president, and thanks to an unpopular candidate in Hillary and her poorly run campaign, Trump was able to squeak in by conning midwesterners. And he was crying "rigged" in advance of that election just as the recent one, as the twerp lacks the cajones to admit it when he loses. We'd have gone through the same nonsense in 2016 had he lost. But yea even now the black and browns are being targeted with the stolen election lies and voter suppression efforts in state legislatures. The good news is that we are identifying it and calling it out, and on a much larger scale than in a monger forum. We are also winning, having taken back the WH, Congress, and the Senate inside of four years. That's why the fake patriots are squirming like toads. Wink.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2558063]Firstly, o ye of low information, there are now so many ghettos in various US cities that the illegals can live entirely among their own people, speak their own language, and barely even see or interact with any of the "racist" gringos. (The fact that they have a racist term..[/QUOTE]"Gringo usually refers to a foreigner, especially from the United States. Although it is considered an offensive term in some Spanish-speaking countries, in most Spanish-speaking countries and in Brazilian Portuguese, the term simply means "foreign."

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2558065]No attempt to rebut the arguments as usual, because you cannot. Just boring, unoriginal, low-information flailing.

Let's take one issue which I already explained to you a few weeks back but you don't seem to have grasped yet. Election integrity. As I showed, the vast majority of democracies across the world require photo ID to ensure election integrity, and ban mail-in ballots because they are not secure and easy to rig. Why do you think that is? Are they all "racist"? (Hint: many of them are in majority-black countries![/QUOTE]Kind of hard to rebut when you didn't say which quote you were talking about.

Was it her January 6th "Stop the Steal" speech to the House? USA Rep. Elise Stefanik explained why she objected to electors from four states the in a speech on the House floor Wednesday night.

The irregularities alleged in her speech and a press release included some falsehoods and omissions, but also some true statements.

This came after the Electoral College vote was interrupted by a violent occupation of the Capitol building by pro-Donald Trump rioters who demanded Congress "stop the steal," a common Trump phrase since the Nov. 3 election won by Joe Biden.

Stefanik said voting irregularities in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Wisconsin and Michigan led to her objections. She said she hopes that further investigation would allow Americans to have greater faith in elections.

Three of her statements on irregularities were mentioned in the New York Times' live fact-checking of the session, and all were deemed "false."

Trump, his family and his political circle have alleged voter fraud and irregularities long before the November election, spending the past few years leading up to this election casting doubt on the electoral process and telling supporters to look for evidence to support their claims. Trump had said before the election that he might not accept the results if he lost.

Trump has pitched a myriad of allegations of voter fraud and election stealing on the part of Democrats. While some constitute legitimate critique, most have been based on a lack of understanding of data, unverifiable accounts and deliberate misinformation.

Stefanik said several of these irregularities were "unconstitutional." Most of them are legal through state law, which in some cases was changed due to the COVID-19 pandemic and verified by state election officials and each state's electors.

Pennsylvania.

In Pennsylvania, Stefanik said the state Supreme Court and secretary of state rewrote election law eliminating signature matching requirements. She said making this change without the state legislature was "unconstitutional."

The action described is true. Pennsylvania's Supreme Court ruled that mail-in ballot envelopes require a voter's signature but do not require that signature to be matched.

However, case law has set precedent for the constitutionality of the executive branch to change state election law and for the courts to interpret it.

Next, Stefanik wrote "they arbitrarily allowed late arriving ballots to be counted even though doing so explicitly ignored and broke state election law."

Pennsylvania's Supreme Court decided in September to let the state accept mail-in ballots received up to three days after Nov. 3 due to the COVID-19 pandemic, high rates of main-in voting and concerns over whether the USA Postal Service could deliver ballots on time.

"And duly credentialed election observers were not allowed to observe voting and the counting of the vote — another unconstitutional act," Stefanik wrote.

This is not true. Poll watchers were allowed to watch the processing of mail-in ballots, according to a court complaint from the Trump campaign. However, they were not close enough to see the writing on the ballots, which witnesses complained about. The state Supreme Court has ruled that poll watchers do not need to be close enough to see writing and stated that their view was "sufficient" in the 2020 election.

Georgia.

In Georgia, Stefanik said the secretary of state "unilaterally gutted signature matching for absentee ballots and in essence eliminated voter verification required by state election law."

This is false. Georgia required two signatures for absentee ballots. One given with a request for a ballot is compared to voter registration signatures. Another signature on the outside of the ballot envelope is then checked against both the absentee ballot application and voter registration.

This is a process Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows witnessed on Dec. 22 when he visited an audit site in Cobb County, Georgia, where 35 Georgia Bureau of Investigation agents and 15 state elections investigators conducted a 10% sample audit of ballots.

"In addition, more than 140,000 votes came from underage, deceased and otherwise unauthorized voters — in Fulton County alone," Stefanik wrote.

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said after investigation, only two illegal votes from dead people have been confirmed by the state. The Trump campaign alleged specific cases of dead voters in November, only for it to be revealed that these were several instances of two people sharing the same name, one dead and the other alive and voting.

State officials said they are investigating 74 potential felons who may have voted and three cases where someone voted in Georgia and another state. State officials said no unregistered or underage people voted. Four individuals requested a ballot before turning 18, but all four turned 18 before Election Day.

Trump called Raffensperger Jan. 2 and in an hour-long harangue asked him to "find 11,780 votes" and threatening him with criminal prosecution, which legal experts say may constitute election fraud or extortion.

Stefanik has not answered questions about this call.

Wisconsin.

In Wisconsin, Stefanik said state officials circumvented a state law that required absentee voters to provide photo identification before obtaining a ballot.

"Wisconsin's very own Supreme Court reprimanded the officials for issuing 'legally incorrect' guidance," Stefanik wrote. That is true.

Wisconsin election law requires photo ID with exceptions for voters "indefinitely confined" by illness or disability. These voters are verified by signatures on their ballots. The definition of "indefinitely confined" was expanded this year because of the coronavirus.

In March a Wisconsin Supreme Court ruling indeed found that this expansion was "legally incorrect."

"It is also a fact that Wisconsin state law specifies absentee ballots may only be returned by mail or delivered in person to the clerk's office — but the City of Madison illegally held events at multiple locations to collect more than 17,000 ballots anyway," Stefanik wrote.

This citywide "Democracy in the Park" event was objected to by the Trump campaign but was upheld in state Supreme Court, with the majority opinion judges saying to invalidate these ballots would "disenfranchise" voters.

Michigan.

In Michigan, Stefanik said "many individuals signed affidavits documenting the unconstitutional irregularities they witnessed. " These allegations included officials physically blocking poll watchers from observing vote counts, the counting of late ballots and hand-stamping ballots with the previous day's date.

Signed affidavits are presented as evidence in courts where they are considered by judges and juries. Many of these affidavits Trump's legal team presented were not admissible in court because they relied on secondhand allegations, also known as hearsay. Some were not admissible because the individual had relied on miscalculations for their allegation, such as the case of a man who though a mathematical error believed the city of Detroit had a 139.29% turnout.

Though lying on a sworn affidavit is a crime, it is hard to prove as false in cases of hearsay or misunderstanding.

Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has lambasted the Biden administration for USA Financing of an anti-corruption group in the country after a bilateral meeting with Vice President Harris on Friday.

Obrador alleged that the USA Is financially supporting a group called Mexicans Against Corruption and Impunity, a group of "coup plotters" that he claims are trying to undermine and overthrow the government.

"It's treason," Obrador declared. "It's meddling, it's interventionism and it's promoting coup-plotting. ".

(Excerpt) Read more at [URL]conservativebrief.com[/URL] .

Comments: I remember reading years ago that the Chicago politicians—dominated eventually by Obama—traditionally had strong ties to the Sinaloa cartel. If this really is Obama's third term, and if what I read previously was true, it wouldn't be surprising.

Fast and Furious 2 coming up? Guns for the Sinaloa Cartel in exchange for donations to Hunter?

(Is it drug money?

Yes! All for Hunter. (And 10 percent for the Big Guy. . .)

Biden financing a Mexican Anti. Corruption probe is like El Chapo financing "Just Say No to Drugs" campaign with ads. . . LOL.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2558141]From day one the cult has been about targeting black and brown folks and wooing racists. It's backlash to the first black president, and thanks to an unpopular candidate in Hillary and her poorly run campaign, Trump was able to squeak in by conning midwesterners. And he was crying "rigged" in advance of that election just as the recent one, as the twerp lacks the cajones to admit it when he loses. We'd have gone through the same nonsense in 2016 had he lost. But yea even now the black and browns are being targeted with the stolen election lies and voter suppression efforts in state legislatures. The good news is that we are identifying it and calling it out, and on a much larger scale than in a monger forum. We are also winning, having taken back the WH, Congress, and the Senate inside of four years. That's why the fake patriots are squirming like toads. Wink.[/QUOTE]You actually think we are winning with Biden, Bernie, AOC and Harris? What are we winning? USA isn't respected in world politics. We have a crises at the border. Biden has pledged to increase refugees by 400%. History is being cancelled. Wokeness has become the new norm. No one wants to work just collect welfare or unemployment. Businesses are moving out of USA. Taxes are going up. Inflation is increasing rapidly. Crime is up in every major democrat city. Homelessness is up in all the democratic cities. Biden administration lowering learning standards at schools so blacks can keep up. What are we winning at? You are either are a Russian or Chinese citizen to say you are winning because that is who is winning.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2558001]You and Canada both should apply as "on air" talent for Fox "News" because you can spread manure faster than almost anyone other than Carlson.

But it is easy to be a trump supporter. All you need to do is bloviate about Fake news.[/QUOTE]What is fake here?

There is a crises at the border drugs and criminals crossing the border. Fox say yes. CNN says no.

All the riots by BLM and Antfisa are peaceful protests. Businesses destroyed and Billions of dollars of damage. Fox say riots. CNN says peaceful protests for a worthwhile cause.

Iran agreement should be reinstated because Iran is not making nuclear weapons. Fox says no. CNN says yes.

Which news is real? Which news is fake?

[QUOTE=Canada;2558267]...There is a crises at the border ...[/QUOTE]"Crises" is the plural of crisis. So either, there are crises, or there is a crisis. Kind of strange plural because of the classical Greek etymology.

[QUOTE=Canada;2558267]What is fake here?

There is a crises at the border drugs and criminals crossing the border. Fox say yes. CNN says no.

All the riots by BLM and Antfia are peaceful protests. Businesses destroyed and Billions of dollars of damage. Fox say riots. CNN says peaceful protests for a worthwhile cause.

Iran agreement should be reinstated because Iran is not making nuclear weapons. Fox says no. CNN says yes.

Which news is real? Which news is fake?[/QUOTE]Truth Canada. A lot of us are getting real tired of left wing corporate media Propaganda, outright lies and omissions. CNN parent organization AT&T. MSNBC, NBC parent organization Comcast. ABC parent organization Disney. Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos. All different news outlets, but somehow they always have the same voice, the same talking points, the same catch phrases day in and day out.

Check this video out. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Zg023J-ok&t=44s[/URL] and guess who has begun a hate campaign against this legendary artist.

Spot on.

Well said.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2557932]I think you'll find from the last election that the Republican party is in control of the majority of state legislatures and governorships; very nearly won back the House and is 50/50 in the Senate and will win back both in 2022; and "lost" the White House due to unconstitutionality and fraud which is currently being unpicked, first in Arizona and soon elsewhere.

The GOP is the party of the American people. The only way the democrats can defeat it is by letting in millions of illegals in addition to the 30 million already in the country and allowing them all to vote illegally, which is of course the reason they want to ban all voter ID and other election integrity measures.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2558138]Bottom line though is that they thought they were the majority but they are not.[/QUOTE]When you remove illegals, foreigners and felons, we are a large majority. The GOP is the party of the American people. Even despite the vast majority of the fake news media, Marxist academia and Washington Deep State bureaucracy churning out endless propaganda against us, we were still set to win the election by some distance.

Hence the establishment needed to engineer the steal by using the laughably corrupt mass mail-in voting system, whereby hundreds of millions of ballots were sent out to whoever, wherever, and received back from whoever, whenever, in whatever number was required to overcome Trump's lead. Case in point: Detroit, where the count was inexplicably stopped with Trump well ahead; GOP observers kicked out, windows boarded up, then at 6 am 150,000 ballots found their way in, 96% of which were for Biden. Robert Mugabe would have blushed.

Fortunately, America still has great patriots who will not back down to media smears and deep state threats. They are pushing ahead with the Arizona audit despite democrats trying to get it stopped at every turn (why? Surely the dems should want to prove to the skeptical majority that their "victory" was legit. Unless they know it wasn't). More good news is coming from Michigan. We will not back down, and the majority of Americans are with us despite the best efforts of fake media and hollyweird distortion.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2558196]Kind of blablabla[/QUOTE]Copypasting leftist fake news wordsludge. Great.

PA: "case law has set precedent for the constitutionality of the executive branch to change state election law and for the courts to interpret it"

No, the constitution was broken. If we allow left-wing activist judges to "set precedent" by issuing whatever orders they feel like regardless of the constitution, we no longer have a constitutional republic.

WI: "Wisconsin election law requires photo ID with exceptions for voters "indefinitely confined" by illness or disability. These voters are verified by signatures on their ballots. The definition of "indefinitely confined" was expanded this year because of the coronavirus. In March a Wisconsin Supreme Court ruling indeed found that this expansion was "legally incorrect."

Great, so you accept Wisconsin was fraudulent and unconstitutional. We're making progress.

Michigan, we've already been through the hilariously obvious fraud of stopping the count, kicking out the GOP observers, boarding up the windows, then getting a 6 am shipment of 150,000 votes, 96% of which were for Biden.

Georgia: that was too obviously stolen to even bother with. Deep South. Had to evacuate the entire stadium in Atlanta because a toilet backed up, then only the local democrat operatives were allowed back in. LOL.

Arizona: being dealt with now.

So there we have it. A huge Trump victory. Don't even need to bother with Nevada, although hopefully some patriots are working there too.

[QUOTE=Travv;2558224]Mexican President Andrs Manuel Lpez Obrador has lambasted the Biden administration for USA Financing of an anti-corruption group in the country after a bilateral meeting with Vice President Harris on Friday.

Obrador alleged that the USA Is financially supporting a group called Mexicans Against Corruption and Impunity, a group of "coup plotters" that he claims are trying to undermine and overthrow the government.

"It's treason," Obrador declared. "It's meddling, it's interventionism and it's promoting coup-plotting. ".

(Excerpt) Read more at [URL]conservativebrief.com[/URL] .

Comments: I remember reading years ago that the Chicago politiciansdominated eventually by Obamatraditionally had strong ties to the Sinaloa cartel. If this really is Obama's third term, and if what I read previously was true, it wouldn't be surprising.

Fast and Furious 2 coming up? Guns for the Sinaloa Cartel in exchange for donations to Hunter?[/QUOTE]Biden is probably trying to install Hunter on the board of the Sinaloa cartel (with 20% for the Big Guy).

[QUOTE=Canada;2558267]What is fake here?

There is a crises at the border drugs and criminals crossing the border. Fox say yes. CNN says no.

All the riots by BLM and Antifa are peaceful protests. Businesses destroyed and Billions of dollars of damage. Fox say riots. CNN says peaceful protests for a worthwhile cause.

Iran agreement should be reinstated because Iran is not making nuclear weapons. Fox says no. CNN says yes.

Which news is real? Which news is fake?[/QUOTE]Amen. The sheer and glaring hypocrisy between the fake news description of BLM / antifa violent riots which have, as you say, cost billions of dollars (and several lives) as "peaceful", while describing people walking into the Capitol through open doors with no damage or casualties (except for Ashli Babbitt, an unarmed protester killed by a cop who will face no charges) as "the greatest violent insurrection since the civil war" - it is just openly ludicrous.

Just the other day a bunch of leftists invaded a state capitol somewhere. Exactly the same as the Jan 6 protesters did, and yet it got limited, positive coverage. None of them arrested, just like the antifa / BLM rioters who all get out and charges dropped. Yet they locked up Trump supporters for months on BS trespassing charges, and now trying to sentence them to several years. It is politically biased bullshit and it will not stand. The Tree of Liberty is getting thirsty.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2557932]I think you'll find from the last election that the Republican party is in control of the majority of state legislatures and governorships; very nearly won back the House and is 50/50 in the Senate and will win back both in 2022; and "lost" the White House due to unconstitutionality and fraud which is currently being unpicked, first in Arizona and soon elsewhere.

The GOP is the party of the American people. The only way the democrats can defeat it is by letting in millions of illegals in addition to the 30 million already in the country and allowing them all to vote illegally, which is of course the reason they want to ban all voter ID and other election integrity measures.[/QUOTE]Still waiting on the proof. Every official recount, failed. Every court case, failed. All the race baiting, failed. And in your case, all the Jew baiting, failed. Sounds like you're a loser, and the American people, by way of democracy and legal precedents and procedures, winners. See ya at the polls in 2022.