Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=Questner;2934015]Satellite images of the Olenya airbase after the recent Ukrainian drone strike attempt.

As you can see, there is no visual confirmation of the Tu-22 M3 being hit or even traces of the drone flying in the vicinity of the airbase, despite the stories being spread by the Ukrainian Intelligence.

[URL]https://t.me/milinfolive/127108[/URL][/QUOTE]"As you can see" says Questner and links to a pro-Putin Telegram channel, which is as "reliable" as Questner himself.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2933970]Yeah, they are a joke but I am not laughing. This was literally something that scared the shit out of me today.

Go to around the 12 minute mark in this video. [URL]https://www.bitchute.com/video/9gHlVNJ1Pu9P/[/URL].

You got a former American colonel saying a Russian supersonic bomber was destroyed by drones and the drones were launched from Finland which is NATO country.[/QUOTE]Is there any bullshit story in this world that you and your Trump cult brethren wouldn't believe, sigh.

The Ukrainian drones flew 1,100 miles and successfully hit the Olenya airfield having damaged at least one Russian TU-22 M3 strategic bomber.

The end.

[URL]https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-27-2024[/URL]

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2933911]No Russian official ever said that, dumbass.

Do you know who actually said that? General Mark Milley. Google who he is if you don't know, and there's a lot you don't know.[/QUOTE]Before running away from that discussion with your tail between your legs.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2934302]Before running away from that discussion with your tail between your legs.[/QUOTE]You have an IQ of 22 so it is very easy to own you.

Here you go. This is the man who said 'Kiev in 3 days'. The Chairman of the you. S Chief of General staff, Mark Milley.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/us/gen-milley-says-kyiv-could-fall-within-72-hours-if-russia-decides-to-invade-ukraine-sources[/URL]

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2934355]You have an IQ of 22 so it is very easy to own you.

Here you go. This is the man who said 'Kiev in 3 days'. The Chairman of the you. S Chief of General staff, Mark Milley.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/us/gen-milley-says-kyiv-could-fall-within-72-hours-if-russia-decides-to-invade-ukraine-sources[/URL][/QUOTE]That's fine. If there existed a self-respect measuring score, you'd get a cool number of zero.

Alexander Lukashenko, dictator of Belarus.

[QUOTE]This war will last 3-4 days, at the most[/QUOTE]Vladimir Soloviev, top Putin's propogandist.

[QUOTE]We'll raise an eyebrow and Ukraine will understand everything.[/QUOTE]Artem Sheinin, Russian propagandist and executive of the state-controlled Channel One.

[QUOTE]And Kyiv will be taken so quickly -- 1.5-3 days [/QUOTE]Olga Skabyeeva, lead TV propagandist, AKA "Iron Doll of Putin TV".

[QUOTE]Two days, then the fall of the city. [/QUOTE]Margarita Simonyan, media executive and head of the Russian state-controlled RT and the state-owned Rossiya Segodnya.

[QUOTE]In a hot war we will defeat Ukraine in 2 days; what's there to defeat, Jesus -- that's Ukraine![/QUOTE]And of course, the cherry on top:

Vladimir Putin:

[QUOTE]If I wanted to, I could take Kiev in two weeks.[/QUOTE][URL]https://twitter.com/i/status/1649011513259175937[/URL]

[URL]https://time.com/3259699/putin-boast-kiev-2-weeks[/URL]

Then again, why let the facts stay on the way of your narrative. Carry on.

As Russia advances on the New York front, litte rat Zelensky is gwetting desperate. But how desperate are Ukraine's female "refugees"? How amenable are they to be buggered and do "things" to each other? Are their prices holding up?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2934756]
Vladimir Putin: If I wanted to, I could take Kiev in two weeks.

[URL]https://time.com/3259699/putin-boast-kiev-2-weeks[/URL]

[/QUOTE]At the risk of being repetitive, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights estimated the number of Ukrainian civilian deaths during the first two years of the war, to February 24,2024, at 10,582. The number of civilians in Gaza killed by Israel in 10 months is over 30,000. And Ukraine has almost 20 X the population of the Gaza Strip.

Russia must be going out of its way to avoid civilian casualties. Putin could capture Kiev in a lot less than 2 weeks if he really set his mind to it. Your estimate of 3 days is closer to the mark. It took 4 days from the time the USA dropped the bomb on Hiroshima for the Japanese to propose surrender. Russia has the largest nuclear armory in the world.

Hamas does not have sophisticated weapons to.

Shoot down jets bombing Gaza into rubble. But yes, Putin is trying to.

Make a point, regardless of the toll of blood & Treasure on his own country.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2934869]Russia must be going out of its way to avoid civilian casualties. Putin could capture Kiev in a lot less than 2 weeks if he really set his mind to it. Your estimate of 3 days is closer to the mark. It took 4 days from the time the USA dropped the bomb on Hiroshima for the Japanese to propose surrender. Russia has the largest nuclear armory in the world.[/QUOTE]While disagreeing with you politically on a number of issues, I used to considered you an intelligent and independent thinker. Well, too bad. Parroting such unfathomable falsehood after thousands of rapes, tortures, and executions of civilians in Bucha and other formerly occupied regions of Ukraine; after murdering tens of thousands of civilians in Mariupol; after knowing Russians' MO (bombing whole cities to the ground) is dumb, unconscionable, or both.

Your "nuclear" argument is also dumbfounded. First, yes, Russia has plenty of nuclear warheads, but it's not the only country that does (unlike America in 1945, so your analogy is faulty). Second, China -- the country Russia can't afford to upset -- has no interest in nuclear escalation. Third, god only knows how many Russia's warheads are fully operational, considering they're losing regular payloads over their own territory like pigeon droppings.

"Going out of its way," yeah, aha!

[B]2 years after the horrors at Bucha, some families struggle to come to terms with atrocities[/B]

[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/2-years-after-the-horrors-at-bucha-some-families-struggle-to-come-to-terms-with-atrocities[/URL]

[B]Russia obliterates Ukraines front-line towns with hacked bombs and expanded air base network[/B]

[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/russia-obliterates-ukraines-front-line-towns-with-hacked-bombs-and-expanded-air-base-network[/URL]

[B]Russia's devastating glide bombs keep falling on its own territory[/B]

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/01/russia-glide-bomb-belgorod-fab[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2934756]That's fine. If there existed a self-respect measuring score, you'd get a cool number of zero.

Alexander Lukashenko, dictator of Belarus.

Vladimir Soloviev, top Putin's propogandist.

Artem Sheinin, Russian propagandist and executive of the state-controlled Channel One.

Olga Skabyeeva, lead TV propagandist, AKA "Iron Doll of Putin TV".

Margarita Simonyan, media executive and head of the Russian state-controlled RT and the state-owned Rossiya Segodnya.

And of course, the cherry on top:

Vladimir Putin:

[URL]https://twitter.com/i/status/1649011513259175937[/URL]

[URL]https://time.com/3259699/putin-boast-kiev-2-weeks[/URL]

Then again, why let the facts stay on the way of your narrative. Carry on.[/QUOTE]Pay attention, dumbass. I said no Russian official ever said that. Lukashenko is not a Russian official. The links you posted are not proof that Putin ever said that, because he never did. Neither did any Russian government official. It's a lie the pathetic western mainstream media came up with that dipshits like you ran with.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2934869]At the risk of being repetitive, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights estimated the number of Ukrainian civilian deaths during the first two years of the war, to February 24,2024, at 10,582. The number of civilians in Gaza killed by Israel in 10 months is over 30,000. And Ukraine has almost 20 X the population of the Gaza Strip.

Russia must be going out of its way to avoid civilian casualties. Putin could capture Kiev in a lot less than 2 weeks if he really set his mind to it. Your estimate of 3 days is closer to the mark. It took 4 days from the time the USA dropped the bomb on Hiroshima for the Japanese to propose surrender. Russia has the largest nuclear armory in the world.[/QUOTE]Exactly, Russia has gone out of their way to avoid targeting civilians. Look at what the Zionists are doing and have done in Gaza, they have FLATTENED the place, the topography of Gaza is like a pancake now. Kiev still has bars, restaurants and clubs open and people that can afford to are enjoying themselves.

That's right. Putin only occasionally bombs a church, hospital or school full of white orthodox Christians or threatens to use nuclear weapons.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2934956]That's right. Putin only occasionally bombs a church, hospital or school full of white orthodox Christians or threatens to use nuclear weapons.[/QUOTE]Got it. It's OK though to bomb mosques and hospitals full of brown Muslims thousands of miles away from your borders.

[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/18/middleeast/human-rights-watch-report-syria-mosque-bombing/index.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5930682/[/URL]

Or to indirectly kill millions with sanctions and the like.

[URL]https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/papers/summary[/URL]
[URL]https://www.tni.org/en/article/how-to-kill-an-entire-country[/URL]

That said, you have an interesting point. White orthodox Christians, who can speak the same language, are killing each other. It would be like the USA going to war against Canada, or France against Belgium. You would lay the blame entirely on Putin, and absolve the West. That's just not right. If not for neoconservatives and the like, Russia might today be a member of NATO and the EU. Yeah, maybe it would have a president who thinks more like Viktor Orban than Emmanuel Macron, but maybe that's not so bad. This war never should have happened.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2934910]While disagreeing with you politically on a number of issues, I used to considered you an intelligent and independent thinker. Well, too bad. Parroting such unfathomable falsehood after thousands of rapes, tortures, and executions of civilians in Bucha and other formerly occupied regions of Ukraine; after murdering tens of thousands of civilians in Mariupol; after knowing Russians' MO (bombing whole cities to the ground) is dumb, unconscionable, or both.

Your "nuclear" argument is also dumbfounded. First, yes, Russia has plenty of nuclear warheads, but it's not the only country that does (unlike America in 1945, so your analogy is faulty). Second, China -- the country Russia can't afford to upset -- has no interest in nuclear escalation. Third, god only knows how many Russia's warheads are fully operational, considering they're losing regular payloads over their own territory like pigeon droppings.

"Going out of its way," yeah, aha!

[B]2 years after the horrors at Bucha, some families struggle to come to terms with atrocities[/B]

[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/2-years-after-the-horrors-at-bucha-some-families-struggle-to-come-to-terms-with-atrocities[/URL]

[B]Russia obliterates Ukraines front-line towns with hacked bombs and expanded air base network[/B]

[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/russia-obliterates-ukraines-front-line-towns-with-hacked-bombs-and-expanded-air-base-network[/URL]

[B]Russia's devastating glide bombs keep falling on its own territory[/B]

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/01/russia-glide-bomb-belgorod-fab[/URL][/QUOTE]I've taken another look at civilian deaths in Ukraine, and the number I quoted doesn't include people who are missing. If you add in those and other excess deaths you may be able to get to 30,000 deaths or more. Still, the number of combatant deaths is multiples of civilian deaths. And, with a population that's almost 20 X larger and a war that's gone on for 20 months longer, Ukraine may very well have suffered fewer civilian casualties than Gaza. Israel presumably isn't targeting civilians.

The probability Russia will use nuclear weapons is very, very low. But, obviously, it does have them. And if Russia just started carpet bombing civilians, the death toll would be much higher than it is.

The takeaway from your first link, which focuses on the death of a Ukrainian civilian combatant near Kyiv, is that war is hell. All the more reason to bring this to an end, which will require Ukraine to give up territory it's already lost. Hopefully Ukraine will have some guarantee of independence and security going forward. That would have been a likely outcome if the West and Ukraine had come to the negotiating table 6 to 18 months ago, when the two sides were in a stalemate. Now that Russia's making gains, maybe not. Too bad the neoconservatives in the West and the Ukrainian leadership weren't inclined to negotiate back then.

The takeaway from your second link is that Russia is trying to make Kharkiv unliveable for civilians by bombing. But then the third link kind of negates that. Apparently a good number of the Russian bombs are landing in Russia. In many instances, the Russians don't appear to be targeting civilians. Rather, their weapons aren't accurate.

Sorry for calling you a neoconservative. You're not. That term should only apply to politicians and people who work in the defense and foreign policy establishment. I try to only criticize politicians and the like and not fellow board members, and fucked up on that score.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2934922]Pay attention, dumbass. I said no Russian official ever said that. Lukashenko is not a Russian official. The links you posted are not proof that Putin ever said that, because he never did. Neither did any Russian government official. It's a lie the pathetic western mainstream media came up with that dipshits like you ran with.[/QUOTE]Every individual in my links is a Putin's OFFICIAL mouthpiece. Just because he doesn't OFFICIALLY have a Ministry of Propaganda like his idol Adolf, doesn't mean that his propagandists are not Russian OFFICIALS. They all are.

The final link I provided is for Putin's own words. Even his so-called "press-secretary" Peskov admitted he said that. Denying something that obvious and verifiable is just silly.

Finally, trying to cover your lack of reasoning skills with rudeness and personal insults never works. It only makes you look bad. If I were your supervisor, I'd fire you on the spot.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2935038]I've taken another look at civilian deaths in Ukraine, and the number I quoted doesn't include people who are missing. If you add in those and other excess deaths you may be able to get to 30,000 deaths or more. [/QUOTE]30,000? Did you count Mariupol deaths in your estimate? Just add tens of thousands more.

We'll probably never know the exact number of Mariupol deaths because Russians are callously and feverishly building upon the bombed-out sites where thousands of bodies and body fragments are still lying entangled with the debris.

[QUOTE]The takeaway from your first link, which focuses on the death of a Ukrainian civilian combatant near Kyiv, is that war is hell. [/QUOTE]No, not the "death". Call it what it was: cold-blooded KILLINGS of Ukrainian civilians, often whole families. They were NOT combatants. Let's be more precise in our definitions, shell we?

And no! "Hell" is awfully non-specific. What Russia is doing in Ukraine is one special hell, a never-ending string of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

[QUOTE]The takeaway from your second link is that Russia is trying to make Kharkiv unliveable for civilians by bombing. But then the third link kind of negates that. Apparently a good number of the Russian bombs are landing in Russia. In many instances, the Russians don't appear to be targeting civilians. Rather, their weapons aren't accurate.[/QUOTE]First, it's not just Kharkiv. Every village, town or city that stands in their way is obliterated.

Second, while some of their weapons aren't accurate, others are plenty accurate. Gliding bombs are accurate. The KH-101 cruise missiles that they hit the children's hospital with is very accurate. You still can't get it into your head that that bombing was intentional, can you? Trying to find excuses where excuses simply don't exist.