Phnom Penh

Just about finished pcheum bunh, a huge holiday.

Missus out of town, me on the prowl.

Checked into the Flamingo just before the huge afternoon shower.

Waded to the Walkabou, watched the water outside washing around near the entry.

Talked to a couple of chaps newly arrived although oen had been here a few years ago and had some khmer.

They told me that everywhere they had been asked for fifty bucks, even at the Cyrcee.

I had spotted nothing suitable, at the WA and then had a beer at blackcat and walked to the riverside and 104.

Later went to 104 and found an apparent enthusiast.

I paid her short time $20 and then went back to the WA and found a real enthusiast.

I paid her $25 in the morning for very good service.

Speaking khmer seems to be quite important even in these quiet times.

[QUOTE=Asianpussylover]Yeah, there was some action back in december. I posted an article that i found online about some daring yanks that went there. Go back through the threads and you will find it. Unless you have your own transportation it will be extremely difficult for you to get transportation to the pak. Taxis and motos are avoiding the place. And even if you go, you are taking a chance that is not worth the while. Do some research. Their is a neighboring country where NGOs aren't allowed. This place has a replica of svay pak just in case you miss the fun, or missed out on all the action and want to re-live it all. I am sure you will find this place.

I read some of the posts about Flamingos. I went there to avoid the walkabout and found it to be a pleasant experience. That was back in November of '09. The rooms were clean, food ok, and not far away from the action. What I did not like was the creepy barang with the cell phone and a suspicious look. Every time i turned around this $#@! was there.[/QUOTE]After doing some searching I found that all 3 countries allow NGO's (to a limited degree in Laos). May I ask what country you are talking about?

Since Asianpussylover cannot receive any pm's I am posting this here. If anyone would like to pm me with information or questions please feel free to do so.

Betong, you are totally correct. Disruptive forces like a new class of providers entering the market can drastically change the pricing structure, as could things such as new laws and regulations. And yes, the Koreans and Japanese are IMO the single greatest factor in the price increases in S.E. Asia over the past 5-10 years, as they compete directly with the westerners for the same girls in many cases. The Chinese and Malaysians have so far had much less effect, as they prefer the places that the locals go, for the most part.

Neufie, an excellent post also. The pricing in Thailand has gone through the roof in the last few years, thanks in no small part to the Japanese and the Internet. You are right that some guys have to pay more than the going rate and some less, but they tend to be either regulars, as you mentioned, or extreme cases, especially in Cambodia. A guy has to be pretty unattractive (usually either smelly or unclean or similar) or obnoxious to have girls refuse to go with him for the going rate. A sweaty 300 pound chain smoker with brown teeth who is drunk and groping girls won't even qualify for a higher price in most cases. Similarly, a guy has to be quite young and attractive to get a discount, and it is more likely he will get it for free--or have a ST turn into a LT at the same price--than at a reduced price.

Phil Istine, I suspect the guys you were talking to came off as inexperienced to get quoted $50 "everywhere" and they probably started by asking "How much?" I have no trouble believing the Cyrcee girls tried this, as unlike most bars, the girls are there to make money, not find a boyfriend. I would not say speaking Khmer is important, but it certainly doesn't hurt. I really should learn more.

Shadow, you are correct. It is more accurate to say the brothel price for Cambodian men was (and presumably still is) 10,000 riel than $2.50. At current exchange rates, that makes it more like $2.35

One of these chaps had been here years ago and did speak some khmer,his mate was telling the girls that he had never been to cambodia before.

He agreed that he should wise up and claim to have visited previously.

I did tell them though that many girls in bars ask for $50 hoping to snag a mug.The best looking girls make enough from lady drinks that they dont need to go home with the customers.

[QUOTE=Marrow]Useless research my friend hehe. Maybe what he meant was if u hang around other countries, u could find a local place where barang are unexpected and not surrounded of NGOs, and price is good with a lot of girls, sometimes with good quality. Well, everywhere in S/E asia is like this hehe. Just luck to find this places, so start to walk. Either in japan u can find an awesome high perf girl for 100-200$ instead of the usual 500$ expected, just hanging around choosing randomly a non-tourist tokyo station. And price and location change from the day to the night, obiouvsly. Silly post, my friend, Pak was more like the symbol of "large number of girls, young and beautiful". Nowadays just a police trap hehe, no more girls.[/QUOTE]In other words you don't know either.

[QUOTE=Marrow]Useless research my friend hehe. Maybe what he meant was if u hang around other countries, u could find a local place where barang are unexpected and not surrounded of NGOs, and price is good with a lot of girls, sometimes with good quality. Well, everywhere in S/E asia is like this hehe. Just luck to find this places, so start to walk. Either in japan u can find an awesome high perf girl for 100-200$ instead of the usual 500$ expected, just hanging around choosing randomly a non-tourist tokyo station. And price and location change from the day to the night, obiouvsly. Silly post, my friend, Pak was more like the symbol of "large number of girls, young and beautiful". Nowadays just a police trap hehe, no more girls.[/QUOTE]There really is a near by country where NGO's will have their asses literally kicked, if they even try to set up shop there. Sorry for being cryptic, but anyway the NGOs already know where they are not welcomed, allowed. The internet ruined Svay Pak, so I am going to keep quite and let you find this place yourself. It's not too hard to do find it; you just need to do some digging. The garage doors and beautiful girls are there. It's identical to the Pak. So what are you waiting for? Get to work and go there before it becomes famous and bus loads of Japanese tourist start to show up. Oh and by the way, if you are scared of guns, and guerillas, etc. Just stay home and watch tv.

It's safer for you.

[QUOTE=Marrow]Uh? No, I meant was misinterpreted the post about NGO and neighbour countries. The same huge number of girls of Pak, no, I never met again a replica nor similar, if you was asking.[/QUOTE]There really is a nearby country wherein the NGOs will literally have their asses kicked if they even try to set up shop. The garage door shops and beautiful girls are there also. What are you waiting for? Better get there before it is discovered and permanently ruined. Like Svay Pak. Sorry for being cryptic but the best things in life are really secret. Oh, and if you are scared of guns and guerillas then stick to present day Cambodia as this place is like Cambodia 20 years ago. And if you really want to be safe, just stay home and watch tv. Seek! You will find.

[QUOTE=Asianpussylover]There really is a nearby country wherein the NGOs will literally have their asses kicked if they even try to set up shop. The garage door shops and beautiful girls are there also. What are you waiting for? Better get there before it is discovered and permanently ruined. Like Svay Pak. Sorry for being cryptic but the best things in life are really secret. Oh, and if you are scared of guns and guerillas then stick to present day Cambodia as this place is like Cambodia 20 years ago. And if you really want to be safe, just stay home and watch tv. Seek! You will find.[/QUOTE]
You are obviously speaking of Myanmar, but how do you handle money in a country without ATM ? You keep it all in your pants ? You trust the hotel reception ? Where do you put your pants when you go to a brothel ?

So. Are you speaking about Burma? Where exactly is there a place like Svay Pak? I have been there, but never saw "garage doors", etc. I would really appreciate some specific information. Thanks a lot!. A fellow monger.

Yes it sounds like Burma, but Burma is a large country.

I suppose one could venture into the golden triangle, the most likely spot for an activity something the government would not sanction. It certainly could be dangerous to say the least.

I've read that the UN secretary general is/will be in PP, plus US secretary of state also visiting. My guess is that is causing the great gov't of Cambodia to cleanup the streets, which is probably why this forum is so g.d. quiet the past week!
I hope things will pick up after they're gone.

Spaceman

[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]the UN secretary general

Spaceman[/QUOTE]Well he's coming here to bangkok too and everything is still norbal.

[QUOTE=Mealticket]Well he's coming here to bangkok too and everything is still norbal.[/QUOTE]

The different is that Thailand does not need UN handouts.

Spaceman

Yea just my luck, you see I should have visited Cambodia about 3 years ago but the timing did not work.

So fast forward to last week when my Cambodian friend from NY invites me to visit him in PP in December and travel around Camb/Vietnam/Thailand - but wait a moment, I now read that the P4P scene is weak. He promises to set me up as he speaks fluent Cambodian and knows my likes (we partied in TJ a few times).

Say it aint so!

The Tall Man

I will be in Phnom Penh next week and would like to top up my supply of Levitra. Can anyone recommend a pharmacy where I could obtain a genuine supply as opposed to the local copies.

Thanks