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[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1603331]Are working girls not people, and worth some human consideration? Paying them for sex does not entitle you to pass them an incurable disease such as HIV, wittingly or not. Yes, they may agree to your BBFS request, but you could get reckless people in need of money to agree to all sorts of stuff.

As for the next monger, he's 2-degrees separated, but even with a condom, mongering in an environment where 10% providers are HIV+ is 10 x more dangerous than one where 1% are HIV+. Moreover, you might snag another barebacker, which isn't a good thing either.[/QUOTE]I don't believe I implied that working girls aren't people worth human consideration. As for me, I strictly limit my BB sex to BJ's. I've never asked a girl for BBFS so don't point your finger at me.

The point of my post was that if a monger uses protection it doesn't really matter much whether the guy who went before did it bareback. The girl's Thai boyfriends don't wear condoms. You can't change that reality. No amount of bitching and nagging on this forum is going to prevent bareback sex. The only practical things a monger can do to avoid STD's is to abstain altogether or use a condom, which in the vast majority of situations will protect him from being a victim of the risky behavior of the barebacker who proceeded him. Worrying about what other mongers do is a total waste of time.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1603331]Are working girls not people, and worth some human consideration? Paying them for sex does not entitle you to pass them an incurable disease such as HIV, wittingly or not. Yes, they may agree to your BBFS request, but you could get reckless people in need of money to agree to all sorts of stuff.............[/QUOTE]That's exactly what riled me. The woman demanded condom but she was persuaded most likely because of her economically weaker position. Certainly not out of goodness of her heart. And then the audacity of boasting about it as if it was a good thing. Thanks Croc for recognizing my position.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1603331]Are working girls not people, and worth some human consideration? Paying them for sex does not entitle you to pass them an incurable disease such as HIV, wittingly or not. Yes, they may agree to your BBFS request, but you could get reckless people in need of money to agree to all sorts of stuff.
[/QUOTE]Daddy07 asks a question of purely logical nature, failing to see the logic in someone else's rant. Your reply is emotional and unrelated to his text that you quote. Daddy07's text that you quote is not advocating anything. Its just a question.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1603388]That's exactly what riled me. The woman demanded condom but she was persuaded most likely because of her economically weaker position. Certainly not out of goodness of her heart. And then the audacity of boasting about it as if it was a good thing. Thanks Croc for recognizing my position.[/QUOTE]Dude, you are getting all Lacan and Foucault on us here. She was persuaded because she was persuaded. It was her choice to let him "skin it. " He did not force himself on her. She also made the choice to go into the biz. So please, let's not start with the poor pity prostitute tale.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1603207]I understand your argument that bareback sex can be dangerous for the monger engaging in it, but what I don't understand is how his risky behavior will affect the next monger, such as yourself, for example, if you use protection? Isn't that the purpose for using a condom; to protect yourself against any STD's the girl might have contracted from other mongers? Why should you worry about or become disgusted by what other mongers are doing and the risks they are taking as long as you continue to use protection?[/QUOTE]If your girl is more likely to have HIV or other STI because she allows babebacking with customers, then you are more likely to get such from her than if she practiced safer sex. Your protection is fallible. When it fails or you fail to use it properly, then you too are having bareback sex with her. Which exposes you to what she has done with her other customers & picked up from them.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1603388]The woman demanded condom but she was persuaded most likely because of her economically weaker position. [/QUOTE]Most likely? No, that's the only reason. To make cold cash, period. Why else would she be there? Certainly not "out of the goodness of her heart", hornyness, boredom or any humanitarian concern. Same for him – he's buying what he wants not giving to the March of Dimes.

The system is working as it should.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1603388]And then the audacity of boasting about it as if it was a good thing. That's exactly what riled me.[/QUOTE]Audacious boasting? I think not. This is a sex board and BBFS is sex. Maybe not safe sex but its sex. If you're riled then perhaps E-Harmony is a better fit since you rarely post anything about sex anyway.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIliB436370[/URL]

Self explanatory. Compare that to some saggy, argumentative she-man from the USA.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1603541]If your girl is more likely to have HIV or other STI because she allows babebacking with customers, then you are more likely to get such from her than if she practiced safer sex. Your protection is fallible. When it fails or you fail to use it properly, then you too are having bareback sex with her. Which exposes you to what she has done with her other customers & picked up from them.[/QUOTE]So you think that bitching and whining on this forum about guys, including Thai boyfriends, who go bareback with the girls you fuck using protection is going to help to reduce your risk? Fat chance of that.

Of course, there are risks associated with shagging hookers whether one uses protection or not. Hell, you face the same risks fucking your wife or girlfriend even if you use a condom. That's life.

[QUOTE=Roginho;1603253]I don't think that having FS without condom is something to be proud of and telling everyone here. It's an unfair situation anyway. A lot of girls there aren't intelligent enough, don't know enough about HIV and other sexually transmissible diseases. You exploit shamelessly that situation only because you have a psychological problem with condoms. You are too lazy to confront that problem. You put yourself, other guys and women in danger. You should know better and not pretend that it's okay and make them believe that it's okay. You've got a responsibility. It's wrong and selfish to believe only because you pay for sex that you can command. It would be a cheap excuse to answer that she could have said no.[/QUOTE]For sure your English is much better then mines and I fully agree and support your message!

" Forum Members wishing to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread. Members may not comment upon, criticize or confront other members on this subject in the general discussion threads"'

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1603408] She was persuaded because she was persuaded. It was her choice to let him "skin it. " He did not force himself on her. She also made the choice to go into the biz. So please, let's not start with the poor pity prostitute tale.[/QUOTE]How 'about a little pity tale for the poor, old things that can't get it up, in, and over with in a condom.

[QUOTE=Roginho;1603253]I don't think that having FS without condom is something to be proud of and telling everyone here. It's an unfair situation anyway. A lot of girls there aren't intelligent enough, don't know enough about HIV and other sexually transmissible diseases. You exploit shamelessly that situation only because you have a psychological problem with condoms. You are too lazy to confront that problem. You put yourself, other guys and women in danger. You should know better and not pretend that it's okay and make them believe that it's okay. You've got a responsibility. It's wrong and selfish to believe only because you pay for sex that you can command. It would be a cheap excuse to answer that she could have said no.[/QUOTE]I don't agree with you. In my experience the majority of the girls say no when I'm asking them for BBFS. I've never counted them but I would say that something like 90% says no. And usually they say NO in a resolute way. No discussion! And they are often making remarks that they are scared and that it's too dangerous. Some of them even start to preach me.

This is 2014. Eg. internet and social media have spread the word by now and the majority of the girls know damn well what the risks are. Still some of them say yes to BBFS. And I'm not commanding them or trying to persuade them. Just like me they are simply willing to take the risk. Or maybe just like me they know the risk is not that high as most people think. The safe sex discussion is based on fear and not on facts most of the time (talking about a psychological problem!).

It is quite easy for a man to infect a woman with HIV. All he has to do is squirt his cum or even his pre-cum in her pussy. But... this man has to be infected by somebody else in the first place.
Women are not squirting anything into a man usually so it's not easy for them to infect a man with HIV (this is a fact!). It's much more likely that a man gets infected by another man in a homosexual encounter or by a dirty needle when he's an intravenous drug user.

How many homosexual (or bisexual) men or intravenous drug users will there be out there amongst us mongerers? OK, maybe quite a substantial number of bisexual men but even if they would infect the working girls then it is still unlikely that these working girls pass it on to other men (as already explained above).

But how about other STD's like gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes etcetera you might ask? Well yes, I admit that the risks of spreading these are high when you're barebacking. Personally I've only been infected 2 times with gonorrhea / chlamydia in 10 years of heavy mongering but I suppose that doesn't make me a good benchmark, LOL.

But hey, before AIDS emerged in the late seventies / early eighties the whole world was barebacking and didn't care much about STD's. They were just part of life.
AIDS has made a lot of people terrified for ALL STD's and suddenly barebacking was 'not done' anymore. That is understandable but again it's based on fear and not on facts.

[QUOTE=Western787;1603699]" Forum Members wishing to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread. Members may not comment upon, criticize or confront other members on this subject in the general discussion threads"'[/QUOTE]Thank you for pointing this out!! BBFS is definitely a divisive issue, and I hope the preachy backlash against barebacking will not dissuade other members from providing detailed reports, which are far too few in this forum.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1603644]So you think that bitching and whining on this forum about guys, including Thai boyfriends, who go bareback with the girls you fuck using protection is going to help to reduce your risk? Fat chance of that.

Of course, there are risks associated with shagging hookers whether one uses protection or not. Hell, you face the same risks fucking your wife or girlfriend even if you use a condom. That's life.[/QUOTE]Rather than what you mention I prefer to disseminate info, knowledge, facts, advice & what people do with them is up to the forces that control them.

I'm more of the sentiment that it's all good, that fate will determine your life & destiny, and all's well as everything will end well.

If people didn't post junk then we'd never hear or learn half of the useful stuff we do via those who respond to it. So, again, it's all good.

As an aside has anyone been to Mixx club in Bangkok & seen girls like these:

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[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1603862]As an aside has anyone been to Mixx club in Bangkok & seen girls like these:

[URL]https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10299081_707094049352742_671235265568778562_n.jpg[/URL][/QUOTE]Not all gals at Mixx are P4 P. I would doubt those are.