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[QUOTE=Bob Bowie]Often yes, You take them both to Jollybee for lunch, "to prove you are not some creepy guy from the internet".

Then you take them her out the next night and most likely have a fun time.[/QUOTE]I always refuse. But because I know some ladies can be obstinate if they can't bring their friend, then I allow them to think they can bring their friend, but as soon as I meet them, I give the friend P100 and tell her to go to Jollibee. Whisk the girl to my car and off for jollies. All stakeholders happy.

[QUOTE=Kornada]
I met another girl on dia, and she brought along her friend. Normally, I'd say no, but I didn't have anything else lined up for that day, so I agreed. How do you guys deal with that? So the girl was cute, but she was a virgin, and too naive and innocent. But the friend, I could tell she was fun. She drank, she smoked, and she laughed at my sexual jokes. So the first date we just went out and drank and she blabbed on about how she wants a serious relationship and all that before she has sex. When she texted me the next day for another date, I declined. Oh, and she didn't have a phone, she was using her friend's. So I slipped it in there that her that she was too pure, and her friend was more "mature" and "fun". Hahaha the friend took the bait and came over to my hotel. She was unbelievable, one of the best lays I've ever had. So I guess the moral is to let the friend come along? Is this common here?[/QUOTE]



Filipinas are surprisingly shy, it is unusual for them to go alone to meet a foreigner they have never met in person before, they usually want a friend along for moral support if nothing else. I would say that first time meets with tag alongs like the friend are more of the rule. Now what you need to avoid or limit is her bringing the entire clan along for a free feast courtesy your wallet. This is more common in certain rural areas and with younger Filipinas, the family of course have legitimate concerns about what type of horny, axe murdering drunken he-beast you are but mostly they want a chance to freeload.

I wouldn't be opposed to the immediate family member or friend or even two but I would walk away from a gathering of the clan.

Also remember, take them to Jollibee's or chow king which has awful food but they seem to like, it is also cheap, you are wasting your time taking them to the fanciest resturaunt in town where they will not like the same food as you.


Spamhog

[QUOTE=Spam Hog]
Also remember, take them to Jollibee's or chow king which has awful food but they seem to like, it is also cheap, you are wasting your time taking them to the fanciest resturaunt in town where they will not like the same food as you.


Spamhog[/QUOTE]
So true, I learned on my first trip that it was a waste of money to take them to anthing above fast food. Most of the time they would order rice, for every meal, even when offered something they could never afford.

Except Mango drinks, for some reason Pinays love it. I guess they can not justify the $1.25 cost of the drink for themselves. But if you order if for them, they think you have a heart of gold.

[QUOTE=Bob Bowie]So true, I learned on my first trip that it was a waste of money to take them to anthing above fast food. Most of the time they would order rice, for every meal, even when offered something they could never afford.

Except Mango drinks, for some reason Pinays love it. I guess they can not justify the $1.25 cost of the drink for themselves. But if you order if for them, they think you have a heart of gold.[/QUOTE]I also learned the hard way not to take them out for meals. I took one that I had seen for 3 months to the Mall 0f Asia and I asked her and her friend where they wanted to eat and they said Jollybee's. I told them let's try this Japanese and they went along. Big mistake, they couldn't use chopsticks and only picked at their food. On the way out of mall, it was Jollybee's to go:(

[QUOTE=Bob Bowie]
Except Mango drinks, for some reason Pinays love it. I guess they can not justify the $1.25 cost of the drink for themselves. But if you order if for them, they think you have a heart of gold.[/QUOTE]
Agreed and I also drink it as I tell the ladies it makes my come taste sweeter ....it does so I am reliably informed ;). Also I use that line to see how 'naughty' they are. :)

[QUOTE=Spam Hog]Also remember, take them to Jollibee's or chow king which has awful food but they seem to like, it is also cheap, you are wasting your time taking them to the fanciest resturaunt in town where they will not like the same food as you.[/QUOTE]SH, what do you eat in Jolibee's? You suck it up and eat awful food, or sip on ice tea? Went there once and have no intention to come again.

[QUOTE=Robbaf]I also learned the hard way not to take them out for meals. I took one that I had seen for 3 months to the Mall 0f Asia and I asked her and her friend where they wanted to eat and they said Jollybee's. I told them let's try this Japanese and they went along. Big mistake, they couldn't use chopsticks and only picked at their food. On the way out of mall, it was Jollybee's to go.[/QUOTE]I think I found the middle ground in Cebu, Gerry's Grill, don't know how big the franchise is, but there is one in Ayala Mall. Local food, but for example the grilled chicken at 225 PHP beats the hell out of Jolibee's Spicey Ckicken. The 3 of us got stuffed for 1000 PHP, and yes!, they have mango shakes.

[QUOTE=Travelfun]SH, what do you eat in Jolibee's? You suck it up and eat awful food, or sip on ice tea? Went there once and have no intention to come again.[/QUOTE]Well if you are spending any length of time in Phils you wil be sure to come across them again and again. They have 1, 800 outlets and are adding 200 this year.

Have you guys noticed this? When I was in Manila, most of the girls I met online agreed to meet that day, and we banged that night. In Cebu, it's taken me longer, mostly because of the friend that tags along. It's just a day or two, but still, it takes longer. I'm talking about regular girls, not *****s. Just a coincidence?

TF was responding to SH, but I'll add my 2 centavos.

If I have to do cheap or simple, I do the food court in the mall. At least I can find something interesting or new or even healthy. If she brings along a friend or three it's no problem since everything is extremely cheap.

That being said, I was at Ayala mall yesterday with a chat friend. She came alone and seemed eager to try something new when I suggested Thai. We went to the place called Siam. She acutally found something on the menu that was basically fried chicken and rice. Sigh... It did have a spicy sauce on the side.

Anyway the food / service was good, the atmosphere was great.

Still no Ratskys at Ayala. For a while there was a sign saying it would be reopened, but now I don't even see the sign. Too bad.

X

[QUOTE=Travelfun]SH, what do you eat in Jolibee's? You suck it up and eat awful food, or sip on ice tea? Went there once and have no intention to come again.

I think I found the middle ground in Cebu, Gerry's Grill, don't know how big the franchise is, but there is one in Ayala Mall. Local food, but for example the grilled chicken at 225 PHP beats the hell out of Jolibee's Spicey Ckicken. The 3 of us got stuffed for 1000 PHP, and yes!, they have mango shakes.[/QUOTE]

You didn't say how large your sample group is, but I suspect coincidence. I've had it go both ways in both places.

You might even think that a gal that lives with her parents might take extra work, but even there I've had wildly different results with different women.

The one I had yesterday in Cebu, showed up alone, lives with aunt, sat close to me in the taxi, etc. I thought the stars were aligned. But after she answered a few text messages I joked that maybe it was her bf. She says "aunt". Auntie was monitering things apparently and the gal made an early exit.

Stopped at TGIF Ayala which has ice cold beer. When terraces opened, I though this would be pickup central, but not so sure now. On the 2nd deck I had a gal give me the usual lines, "hello. Where are you going". I wasn't interested but a few minutes later down near the Mariott side, I came across another, cuter, prospect. We stopped for a drink at Giligans on the third deck which quickly became packed with women. This may be a place to keep your eye on.

Anyway, less than 90 minutes after my chat friend bailed out, I had a lady orally attached to my genitals. This girl deserves a longer description, because of her bola...but that will have to wait for another day. I've alread digressed enough.

X


[QUOTE=Kornada]Have you guys noticed this? When I was in Manila, most of the girls I met online agreed to meet that day, and we banged that night. In Cebu, it's taken me longer, mostly because of the friend that tags along. It's just a day or two, but still, it takes longer. I'm talking about regular girls, not *****s. Just a coincidence?[/QUOTE]

i have read in a couple of posts on the forum about a place called "jonquerra." so one night i hop in a taxi and direct the driver to take me there. jonquerra, i learned, is a street in cebu and a certain strip on that street has girls ready, willing, and able. well at our destination, the taxi gets mobbed by a band of pinoy touts who are yanking at the door and trying to get inside. what the flip is going on? this must be the place. i have read on the forum that those westerners who come here do so with trepidation so i have the driver go a bit farther and i start to negotiate with the driver to have him accompany me. but his english is not so good and i alight from the cab a block beyond the commotion and begin to investigate for myself. i can't find anything on my own. so i move back slowly to the group of touts i had previously encountered. again they were all over me like a cheap suit but they promised to take me this "jonquerra" place. we all started walking together: six of them and one of me. the streets got narrower until we were in skinny alleys. i began to remember the trepidation that was expressed by previous westerners who counseled never to go to "jonquerra" alone. however the alleys were peopled with ordinary philipinos, walking, playing and living nearby so i did not feel alone. i was certainly vigilant and cautious. then we hit about thirty girls hanging out where the alley abutted on a regular thoroughfare called jakosalem street. i survived unrep001hed but i do not think that i was really ever in any danger. a mamason (pimpesse) named rose manages these girls. cars regularly stop on jakosalem st. and shoppers sort through the girls and make a selection. a fee is paid, the girl jumps in the car, and off to merriment they all go. i was there by myself for about 45 minutes talking to the girls, the mamasan, and the touts. some of the girls were resolute about not going with westerners but preferred pinoy, korean, or japanese "clients." i could not get the mamasan to go lower than 1000 pesos. i believe my bargaining position was weak in that i had come on foot and and had become too familiar with the mamasan. in any event some, not all, of the girls were really attractive and as i left in a taxi, the touts had their hand out looking for a finder's fee. i told them to get it from the mamason and off i went into the night for an adventure with my new friend. i made this trip to jonquerra by myself and i don't believe i was ever in harm's way. i was completely sober and always polite.

[quote=pompetus]i have read in a couple of posts on the forum about a place called "jonquerra." so one night i hop in a taxi and direct the driver to take me there. jonquerra, i learned, is a street in cebu and a certain strip on that street has girls ready, willing, and able. well at our destination, the taxi gets mobbed by a band of pinoy touts who are yanking at the door and trying to get inside. what the flip is going on? this must be the place. i have read on the forum that those westerners who come here do so with trepidation so i have the driver go a bit farther and i start to negotiate with the driver to have him accompany me. but his english is not so good and i alight from the cab a block beyond the commotion and begin to investigate for myself. i can't find anything on my own. so i move back slowly to the group of touts i had previously encountered. again they were all over me like a cheap suit but they promised to take me this "jonquerra" place. we all started walking together: six of them and one of me. the streets got narrower until we were in skinny alleys. i began to remember the trepidation that was expressed by previous westerners who counseled never to go to "jonquerra" alone. however the alleys were peopled with ordinary philipinos, walking, playing and living nearby so i did not feel alone. i was certainly vigilant and cautious. then we hit about thirty girls hanging out where the alley abutted on a regular thoroughfare called jakosalem street. i survived unrep001hed but i do not think that i was really ever in any danger. a mamason (pimpesse) named rose manages these girls. cars regularly stop on jakosalem st. and shoppers sort through the girls and make a selection. a fee is paid, the girl jumps in the car, and off to merriment they all go. i was there by myself for about 45 minutes talking to the girls, the mamasan, and the touts. some of the girls were resolute about not going with westerners but preferred pinoy, korean, or japanese "clients." i could not get the mamasan to go lower than 1000 pesos. i believe my bargaining position was weak in that i had come on foot and and had become too familiar with the mamasan. in any event some, not all, of the girls were really attractive and as i left in a taxi, the touts had their hand out looking for a finder's fee. i told them to get it from the mamason and off i went into the night for an adventure with my new friend. i made this trip to jonquerra by myself and i don't believe i was ever in harm's way. i was completely sober and always polite.[/quote]

totally agree. scariest place ever when i was first there at 2 am one morning and i was with a 6'6" wingman who weighs around 260 pounds. however a few expats and locals have insisted that it is one of the safest places in cebu at night time. a westerner getting robbed or assaulted would attract the reluctant attention of police and business for everyone (mafia and police) would be adversely affected. other more experienced members will no doubt have their own view.
i think they were also trying to overcharge you. i paid 500 for a real cute girl just off the boat from bohol and she stayed from 3am until 9am. i am in cebu later this month again and will no doubt venture back to jonquerra at least once or twice. i just love the rough seediness of the place and it is a complete contrast to the other more comfortable ways of finding a companion for the night

Gentlemen, just a few things, you have to remember that the Phils IS NOT
like the USA south Los Angeles, the Bronx New York or Philadelphia's east side,And Cebu is just another world all together

You have to work at getting yourself in the sh*t in the RP, oh it can be done
and often is if you are too drunk, too careless or too foolish. But Jonquerra is not the wild west. You have people milling around there at all hours of the day and night all hustling to make a peso common for ANY area of the phils.

As soon as you enter onto the scene the bamboo telegraph goes off initiating an intelligence system that would be the envy of the CIA, some of the first people who find out about it are the cops. You see, all those hustlers pay a
"street tax" to the local barangay Captain, his underling "tanood" the Cops etc which works its way up through the chain to the Mayor himself.

They know who you deal with, what you paid (foreigners ALWAYS pay more)
and they are coming around for their cut later. You mention taxi drivers....you know how many off duty cops drive a cab? You know how many non police cabbies are police informants? It starts when you get off the plane Joe.

Anyhow, if somebody molests a foreigner (squeezes the golden goose) he has to answer to the chain of command that wants their cut and will double tax him or them for their folly. Now it does happen, usually wandering 'Bugoys' (Hoods) who are alien to the neigborhood, that is why when strange faces show up everybody is on the alert. The pimps most of all, they want a chance to get your money before these guys can steal it.

Best way to handle the touts and hangers on is with a hand full of coins, pass a few out quickly while on the move and you get these flys away from you, you might even use Spamhogs old trick of throwing some coins or small denom peso notes on the ground and hoofing it while they scramble and fight for the lucre.

Good luck, be careful, always be polite and remember, negotiations are ALWAYS proceeding.

Spamhog

[QUOTE=Travelfun]SH, what do you eat in Jolibee's? You suck it up and eat awful food, or sip on ice tea? Went there once and have no intention to come again.

I think I found the middle ground in Cebu, Gerry's Grill, don't know how big the franchise is, but there is one in Ayala Mall. Local food, but for example the grilled chicken at 225 PHP beats the hell out of Jolibee's Spicey Ckicken. The 3 of us got stuffed for 1000 PHP, and yes!, they have mango shakes.[/QUOTE]



I usually don't eat anything, I just get a coke and sip it or a piece of fried chicken and gag it down if I'm hungry, now what is worse is chow king. YUK!

spamhog

[QUOTE=Kornada]Have you guys noticed this? When I was in Manila, most of the girls I met online agreed to meet that day, and we banged that night. In Cebu, it's taken me longer, mostly because of the friend that tags along. It's just a day or two, but still, it takes longer. I'm talking about regular girls, not *****s. Just a coincidence?[/QUOTE]

I got over that by telling who I am meeting this: come alone, we'll meet in a public place, spend a few hours talking, etc. And go from that point. If you bring someone along, I am gone. If you have to constantly yak/text on your cell phone, I am gone. You're an adult after all!