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[QUOTE=World Travel 69; 1182386]Judging by your posts, all of you have not traveled much.

Two or three countries at most.

So Sad. How are helping the not so fortunate?

How can you offer good advice to them?[/QUOTE]With all due respect Sir, I must disagree with you. You have to realize that this thread is specifically for Colombia. There are many, many, many experienced, long-time, dedicated gentlemen who have either lived or traveled here for a long time over the years. They have accumulated a 'world' of information, past and current about Colombia, and I, for one, can not say 'thanks' enough to them, and have learned so much from reading their reports. Even though (as your handle indicates) you have gone to many places and countries in the world, and maybe even 'boldly goes when no man has gone before' (love that line from 'Star Trek'. LOL) , I doubt it you have more experiences, information, tips, the dos and the donts about Colombia than the likes of John Gault, Frank Casio, Aussie Greg, and a whole slew of others. Just my two cents and never meant to discredit anyone.

Good days gents.

EZ

[QUOTE=Hioctane; 1182293]Of course don't come out and say you want an open relationship in the beginning. Say you want to take things slow and you just want to be "friends" for now. It's easier if you don't live there. Use that as an excuse. IMO, saying you love someone and fuck around on them is just being scum. Here and abroad! No girl wants that. Saying that they tolerate is is bullshit! My friend who's married and mongers on the side uses the same rationalization.

That's why you need many FWBs at once. And if they all busy or no sex you have p4p to fall back on.

I'm not sure what you mean by Colombianas not being easy conquests. If you can fuck her within 3 dates, I think that's easy. No? It's not like the US where it can take months.

I agree with sticking with p4p in the beginning. Let it evolve. You don't want to fall for their charm so fast and get suckered into marriage or whatnot![/QUOTE]With all due respect, I think that you are confusing commitment with love. Saying that you love someone, and having sex with another is not being a "scum" but just an acknowledgment that there is no commitment. Folks, you can certainly love someone, but still enjoy sex with another girl. This whole notion of monogamy based on any relationship short of marriage is really foreign to me. Sex is not love, and love is not sex. Having written that, nothing is better than great sex with a girl that you love.

And, if it takes anyone months, anywhere, to get into an intimate sexual relationship, I say ditch the *****. That kind of behavior is just negoiating sexual pleasure for promises of happy ever after. Everything is ephemeral. The real problem comes with, as Bango alluded to, that men come to Colombia both starved for sex and for intimacy. You won't find intimacy with the prepagos. And you won't find intimacy without some kind of interest and care for the girl with whom you want to have an intimate relationship. Want sex? It's easier to find in Colombia than a diet coke. Want intimacy? Then you are going to have to give some love. Love is a verb. Simply doing whatever you can and whatever you want to make her life better. We all know by instinct that if you give, you get, or you move on. It's not rocket science.

Yes, again as Bango wrote, in South America, especially, women will tolerate sexual excisions as long as you don't "rub it in their face." What all women want, unless they are fucking nuts, is security and protection. It's biology. It's worldwide. It's the human condition.

Finally, the whole notion of someone getting "played" or "suckered" is foreign to me. I don't do anything that I don't want to do. Now, sometimes I find myself in the position of realizing that I said that I would do something that I wished that I hadn't said, but I do what I say I'm going to do. Take responsibility for your decisions. If anyone perceives himself as being sucked or played, then he is simply failing to accept responsibility for his decisions.

I didn't think anyone could disagree with what Bango wrote. It was right on and obviously the product of years of experience with Colombian women, Colombian history, and society.

Hioctane, I appreciate and respect your point of view, but I respectfully think you're missing the boat.

Only good energy!

Very well articulated! After a few trips of getting all the sex I needed, I realized I needed something more, intimacy! However, like you said, you aint going to find it with the prepagos! This is where I started meeting girls on CC, and Latin Cupid, trying to screen them so as not to "get played". But as you stated, I can't get played, I can only make good ar bad decisions. Man up and own your decisions! Church! LOL!

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1182596]With all due respect, I think that you are confusing commitment with love. Saying that you love someone, and having sex with another is not being a "scum" but just an acknowledgment that there is no commitment. Folks, you can certainly love someone, but still enjoy sex with another girl. This whole notion of monogamy based on any relationship short of marriage is really foreign to me. Sex is not love, and love is not sex. Having written that, nothing is better than great sex with a girl that you love.

And, if it takes anyone months, anywhere, to get into an intimate sexual relationship, I say ditch the. That kind of behavior is just negoiating sexual pleasure for promises of happy ever after. Everything is ephemeral. The real problem comes with, as Bango alluded to, that men come to Colombia both starved for sex and for intimacy. You won't find intimacy with the prepagos. And you won't find intimacy without some kind of interest and care for the girl with whom you want to have an intimate relationship. Want sex? It's easier to find in Colombia than a diet coke. Want intimacy? Then you are going to have to give some love. Love is a verb. Simply doing whatever you can and whatever you want to make her life better. We all know by instinct that if you give, you get, or you move on. It's not rocket science.

Yes, again as Bango wrote, in South America, especially, women will tolerate sexual excisions as long as you don't "rub it in their face." What all women want, unless they are fucking nuts, is security and protection. It's biology. It's worldwide. It's the human condition.

Finally, the whole notion of someone getting "played" or "suckered" is foreign to me. I don't do anything that I don't want to do. Now, sometimes I find myself in the position of realizing that I said that I would do something that I wished that I hadn't said, but I do what I say I'm going to do. Take responsibility for your decisions. If anyone perceives himself as being sucked or played, then he is simply failing to accept responsibility for his decisions.

I didn't think anyone could disagree with what Bango wrote. It was right on and obviously the product of years of experience with Colombian women, Colombian history, and society.

Hioctane, I appreciate and respect your point of view, but I respectfully think you're missing the boat.

Only good energy![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Latin Lover77;1181991]Don't flame me for this. I've read some of the general reviews on Colombian women and especially those in Barranquilla. I met a girl online that lives in Barranquilla and we've hit it off. She has not once asked for money which is great because that is my first sign to split from further talking. For months now she never asked for money, gifts, talked about a sick child / family member, or hinted to me that she wants anything monetary from me. She does however want me to plan a short trip to spend a few days with her. I am looking at November 14th for 3 days.[/QUOTE]Do not put all of your eggs in one basket. Do not go out of your way for one chick who may or may not show. If you do this I guarantee you will spend most of your time alone. NEWSFLASH: There isn't shit to do in Barranquilla. You said she didn't even have a cell phone. I don't know of any Colombiana who does not have a phone. But if this is truly the case then it is safe to assume she lives with family. If she lives with family the chances are slim that she will be able to stay with you. She will have to be home by a certain time. Say 10pm. And she will show up to see you about 1pm. So you will spend 9 hours a day with her. You will be alone the other 13.

What I am suggesting is that you instead buy a ticket to Medellin. Now I have never been to that city but we all know it is the place to go for foreigners who want to have fun. You tell your girl you will buy her a bus ticket from Barranquilla to Medellin* This will solve 2 problems. 1. She will be forced to stay with you the whole time. 2. If by chance she doesn't show up you can still have all the fun you want with working girls.

*I live in the south of Thailand. Last week I asked a girl of mine who lives in the north when she was coming to visit. She said she would come when I bought her a ticket. I'm a quick thinker. I said okay. I will go buy you a bus ticket tomorrow. She said no it has to be a plane ticket. I'm not riding the bus. Can you believe it? A beggar trying to be a chooser. Biotch when you get some money that is when you can decide what type of ticket you are getting.

[QUOTE=Latin Lover77;1181991]Lastly, I want to send a cell phone to her before I get there. Again, she didn't ask for one or hint that she needed one but I told her that I wanted to send it to her so we can talk. Unless someone on here thinks I should just buy a international calling card (prepaid) which was have many in the area I live. Would she be able to use the calling card on a pay phone or is there no payphone in Barranquilla.[/QUOTE]You are trying to create a problem where there isn't one. She can go to an internet cafe and you both can use Skype or an instant messenger program that has video and voice.

[QUOTE=Latin Lover77;1181991]Is there anything I should know before I travel besides registering my trip with the US consulate and to basically have fun?[/QUOTE]As Reef said, do you really think they give a damn? Hell, didn't even know it could be done. And what are the effects of doing it? You are a grown man and shouldn't need a babysitter.

Let me also add that I have been in your shoes before. My first time to Colombia was because I had met a girl on a website. She was a lawyer from Cucuta. I didn't speak any Spanish and she didn't speak any English. But I did speak Portuguese so that made it easier. I bought a translator from Target (which was not worth a damn so I ended up taking it back) and a pocket dictionary. She rode the bus 14 hours to Bogota, leaving the night before my flight. We spent 3 good days together. We went to the Cathedral of Salt and all that shit. The night before I was to go back home she was hinting at me buying her a plane ticket to go home but I kept blowing it off acting like I didn't understand. The next morning when I was leaving she started asking about the ticket again and jumping up and down pulling on my arm as I was leaving out the door. If I would have known then what I know now I would have bought it. It was probably no more than $70 but I didn't know that at the time. I told her I didn't have any money. She said but you have credit cards. LOL. I told her there was one flight out of Colombia per day to where I was going and I wasn't about to miss it dealing with her. Then I walked out. She only spoke to me once after that and that was to tell me off. Since then I have learned to build better relationships with Colombianas. After being to more than 100 countries, to me Colombianas are the best women all-around on the planet.

Now I have to get back to my $30 TLN who has already been here 12 hours! Amazing Thailand.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender;1182596]With all due respect, I think that you are confusing commitment with love. Saying that you love someone, and having sex with another is not being a "scum" but just an acknowledgment that there is no commitment. Folks, you can certainly love someone, but still enjoy sex with another girl. This whole notion of monogamy based on any relationship short of marriage is really foreign to me. Sex is not love, and love is not sex. Having written that, nothing is better than great sex with a girl that you love.[/QUOTE]I think you misunderstood what I said."Saying you love someone". Aka "leading her on" to get her in the sack (meanwhile you are fucking every girl under the sun) is a scumbag move. This leads to the argument of always paying. P4p. So there is no pretense as to the type of relationship you have. However, p4p lacks the intimacy that some crave. All I'm saying is "DON'T BE A SCUMBAG!" Don't use commitment as a weapon to get sex.

[quote=latin lover77; 1181991]don't flame me for this. i've read some of the general reviews on colombian women and especially those in barranquilla. i met a girl online that lives in barranquilla and we've hit it off. she has not once asked for money which is great because that is my first sign to split from further talking. for months now she never asked for money, gifts, talked about a sick child / family member, or hinted to me that she wants anything monetary from me. she does however want me to plan a short trip to spend a few days with her. i am looking at november 14th for 3 days. i do have some concerns though. 1. my spanish sucks. 2. i am not familiar with barranquilla and the localities. if someone is familiar with the place shoot me a pm with what hotels are clean and secure near the airport. should i basically stay glued to my hotel or venture out on my own during daylight hours with or without my girl? will anybody at the airports / hotels speak any english? my flight will be from washington dc in the us to panama for a short layover and then straight to barranquilla. prices range between $500-$600 american for roundtrip. anybody know of a better deal? lastly, i want to send a cell phone to her before i get there. again, she didn't ask for one or hint that she needed one but i told her that i wanted to send it to her so we can talk. unless someone on here thinks i should just buy a international calling card (prepaid) which was have many in the area i live. would she be able to use the calling card on a pay phone or is there no payphone in barranquilla.

is there anything i should know before i travel besides registering my trip with the us consulate and to basically have fun?[/quote]board members did already give you valid information. if your spanish "sucks" i wonder how you communiate with her. now some more info for you: barranquilla airport is not in a nice neighbourhood, just the opposite malambo can be considered as a quite dangerous place apart from it is an ugly place. so no hotel in that area that in adition is far from the center (taxi ride about 16 k cop). for a 3 day stay the hotel recommended is ok, for a longer stay i would recommend an appartment which gives more privacy. in any case stay in the better neighbourhoods in the north of the city. indeed your girl should be able to pick you up at the airport upon arrival. this is the normal and all my colombian friends do it. she may even await you with some family members. she has no cellphone. as mentioned by others quite strange becaus almost all colombianas even from the poorest urban families do have one. do not send one from the us. if you like and in order to speed up future communication you can buy her one in colombia. best offers with prepaid card about 40 k cop. of course she may ask for a more fency model. blackberry is state of the art, but i do not recommend to buy such a device. a simple cellphone is good enough to enable you to call her at any time. some more about the city. it sucks to my opinion. very hot climate, windy nevertheless and as a consequence very dusty. my family used to clean the house at least once a day. close the airport you have the city of soledad which seems to be a part of barranquilla. de facto it is, but from an administrative view it is another city. soledad is ever more dirty than barranquilla and you should not go to some neighbourhoods there, for example avoid soledad 2000 in any case (even if your girl lives there). my ex-wife and friends are from soledad so i do always have some locals with me, but nevertheless we avoid to pass trough certain areas. if you tell me from which neighbourhood "barrio" you girl is, i may be in the position to give more information. as others already warned, there is almost nothing to do in barranquilla if you are on your own, and it is far from any suitable beach. you may which to go to the swimming pool of hotel prado which used to be open for public against fee of course for non-hotel guests. as this hotel is under renovation i do not know the present situation. nevertheless good luck.

I am talking about the few that have not been helping others. The ones that jump on some guys, because they ask questions that seem simple to some, but need a little more information.

[QUOTE=Ezyngo; 1182594]With all due respect Sir, I must disagree with you. You have to realize that this thread is specifically for Colombia. There are many, many, many experienced, long-time, dedicated gentlemen who have either lived or traveled here for a long time over the years. They have accumulated a 'world' of information, past and current about Colombia, and I, for one, can not say 'thanks' enough to them, and have learned so much from reading their reports. Even though (as your handle indicates) you have gone to many places and countries in the world, and maybe even 'boldly goes when no man has gone before' (love that line from 'Star Trek'. LOL) , I doubt it you have more experiences, information, tips, the dos and the donts about Colombia than the likes of John Gault, Frank Casio, Aussie Greg, and a whole slew of others. Just my two cents and never meant to discredit anyone.

Good days gents.

EZ[/QUOTE]

I am wondering if it is possible to find a nice apartment around

Medellin or surrounding areas fir about 300 dollars amonth.

I live the weather ther but I hope to fine a nice place near Medellin or maybe Bello

Thanks alot

Tom

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1182760]Do not put all of your eggs in one basket. Do not go out of your way for one chick who may or may not show. If you do this I guarantee you will spend most of your time alone. NEWSFLASH: There isn't shit to do in Barranquilla. You said she didn't even have a cell phone. I don't know of any Colombiana who does not have a phone. But if this is truly the case then it is safe to assume she lives with family. If she lives with family the chances are slim that she will be able to stay with you. She will have to be home by a certain time. Say 10pm. And she will show up to see you about 1pm. So you will spend 9 hours a day with her. You will be alone the other 13 .[/QUOTE]Hey, this guy (Mr E) speaks from experience.

Read his post twice, and remember, one of the main rules of the game; always have a backup plan, always.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1182760]Let me also add that I have been in your shoes before. My first time to Colombia was because I had met a girl on a website. She was a lawyer from Cucuta. I didn't speak any Spanish and she didn't speak any English. But I did speak Portuguese so that made it easier. I bought a translator from Target (which was not worth a damn so I ended up taking it back) and a pocket dictionary. She rode the bus 14 hours to Bogota, leaving the night before my flight. We spent 3 good days together. We went to the Cathedral of Salt and all that shit. The night before I was to go back home she was hinting at me buying her a plane ticket to go home but I kept blowing it off acting like I didn't understand. The next morning when I was leaving she started asking about the ticket again and jumping up and down pulling on my arm as I was leaving out the door. If I would have known then what I know now I would have bought it. It was probably no more than $70 but I didn't know that at the time. I told her I didn't have any money. She said but you have credit cards. LOL. I told her there was one flight out of Colombia per day to where I was going and I wasn't about to miss it dealing with her. Then I walked out. She only spoke to me once after that and that was to tell me off. Since then I have learned to build better relationships with Colombianas. After being to more than 100 countries, to me Colombianas are the best women all-around on the planet.

Now I have to get back to my $30 TLN who has already been here 12 hours! Amazing Thailand.[/QUOTE]Mr E, a girl just spent 3 days with you and all she asked you for (begging) was a $70 plane ticket so she didn't have to take the 14hr bus ride? Chichipato LOL. Common bro most air travel with Colombia itself is rather inexpensive. As for Colombianas being the "best all around women" Is painting with the broadest of brushes. Just THIS comment MINE, that they are also the biggest liars, cheats, thieves, scammers. How do you know a Colombiana is lying? Her mouth is moving. They will look you directly in the eye and tell you everything you want to hear to satisfy you and then try to change the subject. P. S. To the original poster Mr E. Is right. I don't know any Colombiana without a cell phone. If she starts asking for Blackberrys or Iphones Run for the hills.

[QUOTE=Optic Guard; 1182945]I am wondering if it is possible to find a nice apartment around

Medellin or surrounding areas fir about 300 dollars amonth.

I live the weather ther but I hope to fine a nice place near Medellin or maybe Bello

Thanks alot

Tom[/QUOTE]Bello IS PART of Medellin, just the very north end. For sure you will find something there for 550k (Nice room) but it is not the safest of areas. You need to have your wits about you. Have you noticed the putas? Most of them are from this area. A plus There is a real nice mall and Exito right next to the the Metro station in Bello (Niquia) You will see the "se arrienda" signs everywhere.

I was called a misogynist yesterday because I say that about ALL women, not just colombianas! Also, in relation to cellphones, it is weird a chica does not.

Have one. I have been in el centro casas with some of them, and half the time the damn thing goes off. Probably she wants the guy to buy her one,

Bberrys are out of style, the least she should expect is a top of the line Iphone

I think Bello is not part of Medellin but a separate city like Envigado. I am pretty sure of this but may be wrong. Still good information MHL.

DP

[QUOTE=Dpilzbo; 1183043]I think Bello is not part of Medellin but a separate city like Envigado. I am pretty sure of this but may be wrong. Still good information MHL.

DP[/QUOTE]I concur with DP. Bello is a municipality like sabaneta, itagui, and envigado, and the like. It is not part of Medellin. And Yes. I can't tell you how many putas I met are from Bello.

EZ

[QUOTE=Ezyngo; 1183122]I concur with DP. Bello is a municipality like sabaneta, itagui, and envigado, and the like. It is not part of Medellin. And Yes. I can't tell you how many putas I met are from Bello.

EZ[/QUOTE]Here is a quote from Wikipedia and while I agree the wording is just semantics we are both right. "Bello is a town and municipality in Antioquia Department, Colombia and is a suburb of Medellin, the department capital. Bello is part of the Metropolitan Area of Medellin." [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bello[/url], _Antioquia