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There is something not right about that place. I do think there is a lot of drug dealing going on there, plus as bad as the Italians behave at times, the Israeli's are worse.
And if what I saw of the Israeli's in CTG in September, the young people, if they are typical of Israel today, then israel is doomed, what a bunch of slobs. No wonder Iran is pushing the envelope, not that American youth is much better.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]His name is Jim, a great role model for us all. He generally will not pay more than 40K. We call the area in front of Playa Mar our office.[/QUOTE]I spent a lot of time hanging with Jim in front of Playa Mar when I stayed in Tom33s place. He knows a lot of the ladies of la calle, so he is a great resource for anyone looking for cheap chicas. He is a talker, no doubt about that! I don't think I've seen so many ladies looking for work than this trip.
On an aside, just for something different, I had one the taxistas that hang in front of Playa Mar take me on a tour of some of the poorest neighborhoods in Cartagena. We went to the commercial district, just outside of La Popa, then headed southest along the road that hugs the bay in barrio San Francisco. Now, I've spent a bunch of time in India, and have seen things you would not believe, but the all consuming poverty of many of these neighborhoods is really something to behold. You should see what passes for a bathroom. In any case, it gives you an understanding why these ladies spend time in Laguito - otherwise the situation is fairly hopeless, an endless life of poverty in hot, sometimes stinking conditions. Mi taxista said that about 65% of CTG lives in various degrees of poverty, and a significantly small percentage escape to the middle class.
Jim also mentioned to me that because CTG was relatively safe during the height of the FARC civil wars, people would just send their children to live in CTG to escape the violence, further adding to the economic stress of CTG. If you have time to kill and want to do something different, check out the poor barrios. Barrio San Francisco was relatively safe midday from the safety of the main road, but the neighborhoods below La Popa were a touch more dicey. But it's fine if you're rolling in a taxi - it seems these places are too damn poor to afford guns. But not machetes. In any case, it may give you an appreciation for the residents of CTG if you see their places. And there are poor places than barrio San Francisco, and more dangerous, further southeast.
BTW, if you meet up with Jim ask him what a Cartegana Ankle Pull is. He loves to tell anyone!
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I made the mistake of inviting Alba up to my room my very first few hours after arrival. Big mistake. She didn't take anything, but for days on end kept showing up at the Playa Mar lobby trying to be allowed up. Very annoying, especially when I had another chica in my room! She also needs to seriously lose the gut. One too many Aguilas methinks. It's annoying walking to the Hilton trying to avoid her. Unfortunately she was my only contact point to Sandra, who lost her cellphone.
Sandra, OTOH, never looked better, in fact she looked surprisingly healthy and pretty, even coming off la grippe (which I think she gave to me, crap). I've always liked her, she is a mellow chica and is good, but not profound, in la cama. Of course, their friends C and T in the apartment across from Playa Mar were as usual fantastic, including a new friend M, a gorgeous spinner, smaller than C.
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]But also at times God damm Sandra and Alba and company would come by and not leave. In Fact I saw our old friend talking to both of them one night during my last trip.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hang Low 69]We met at the beach in Sept when my buddy and I called you over and we got the chica to join us. Did you ever take her? She was older but had a rocking pornstar body. Hope every thing is good in SF.[/QUOTE]Hey Hang Low, good to hear from you! Hope all is well with you also. Yes, I did go out with her, and thus began a three day soap opera that I'll certainly not forget. She's a 35 yr old Paisa with a smoking bod, a part-time professional salsa teacher, obviously voluptuous with a flat belly.
Unfortunately, she was very inexperienced emotionally - I was the 4th man in her life, her first gringo, and it showed. Now, I don't have a great game, but she apparently was w/o sex for a while and I ignited her. She fell for me hard, and it was also freaky how much we had in common - a few more days, we would have been able to finish off each other's sentences. But I was not interested in any kind of LT relationship, and she was gaga, telling me how much she loved me every hour. She was already making plans to buy web cameras, visiting me in the US, meeting her family, etc. She introduced me to her friends by cell phone. It's started getting ridiculous. CTG is a romantic place, and it can do that to a person!
We did a bunch of fun stuff together, and I like her, she's a buena, but there is always the dark side - she thought of me as her walking ATM. This unspoken expectation: that I was going to pay for everything she desired or wanted was quite the shock. She even had the gall to ask to go to Studio F on the way to the airport (a ticket that I paid for to send her off), and began to buy about 5 things as if I was her narcotraficante millionaire boyfriend. I had to pull her aside and say knock it off. I almost walked out of Studio F and left her there.
In any case, when I broke it off, then came the tears. In realidad, she was my first non-pro Latina and I've come to realize that the non-pros are way more expensive. And dangerous. Never again. After I dropped her off at the airport, she called me every 4 hours for several days later. She even called Tony to track me down at the beach. I gotta give her an 'A' for resourcefulness. She was heart-broken, and I felt bad for doing that. But it had to be done.
There's an spanish saying, that in the world of love, men are the poets, and women are accountants. We're simpler creatures emotionally, and women do a cost-benefit analysis in their heads or with their girlfriends. In any case, I felt like the accountant this time, knowing that this was a short romantic fling in CTG. In another time, place, universe, maybe, but not now.
In any case, I learned my lesson: Stick.To.The. Pros.
BTW, just before you and your friend left that day, Tony pulls me aside and asks me if I wanted to see a chica. My curiosity piqued, I go with him and meet up with a chica that could be described as Giselle Bundchen's younger sister, about 5'8", blonde, hot. But the first words from her mouth were '300,000 por dos horas'. My first words were 'Chau!' Stick with the pros, but not ones with dollar signs for pupils in their eyes.
In any case, it was good to meet you, and since you're a regular in CTG, if by any chance you run into my non-pro on the beach, you never heard from me again! Apologies for the long report, I guess in needed to vent.
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]Moral of the story for you guys who are, or will be traveling to Cartagena, keep your eyes on Alba, and do not leave anything of value where it can be taken. It is easy to let your guard down when you are having fun, no matter who you are with, and where you might be at.[/QUOTE]This is true of nearly every hooker that you will find in Cartagena and probably anywhere. I have had cleaning ladies and non-hooker female friends steal money from me. The bottom line is this: if you never tempt an honest person, you will always have an honest person.
And I agree that Alba's nipples are incredible. She was much more photogenic before putting on those extra kilos.
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]There is something not right about that place. I do think there is a lot of drug dealing going on there, plus as bad as the Italians behave at times, the Israeli's are worse.
And if what I saw of the Israeli's in CTG in September, the young people, if they are typical of Israel today, then israel is doomed, what a bunch of slobs. No wonder Iran is pushing the envelope, not that American youth is much better.[/QUOTE]Virtually all of those young Israelis party hard. I do not party with them, but I have spent time with several of them. They all speak pretty good English. They look and behave as goofy as I did when I was their age. And they will grow up. Maybe I will too.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]His name is Jim, a great role model for us all. He generally will not pay more than 40K. We call the area in front of Playa Mar our office.[/QUOTE]I have spent many late afternoons staying late at "the office" speaking with Jim. Tom33 a few years ago, I appreciated your input and wisdom. I now call it my fishing hole. I just sit there and throw out a line and then reel them in.
I have had both Alba and Sandra with Alba being the more aggressive. She wanted to go upstairs for three different days, but I passed. On the fourth day, I told her I was short on Pesos, but I offered her a beer. We were drinking a couple of beers and talking, when she decided she would push for sex. She slid off my shorts and gave a great BJ. As she was working, I reminded her that I had only a few Pesos on me, she kept on going. When I gave her 10K, she said that is good, but I need to give her more on our next encounter. I said fine and said good bye. Of course I had about 300K in the safe. Sometimes when someone is just too aggressive, I try to get them to leave by stating I have little pesos on me. I guess Alba decided, what she could get would be fine since she was not doing much business at that time.
I really enjoy Sandra because of that great flat stomach and nice ass. Her attitude is good and I enjoy talking to her. She gave me one of the best BJs I have ever had.
Two years ago in December, I was at the fishing hole when I saw a young guy with two great looking girls about 18. It was obvious they were tourists and were stay at the Torre Centauro next door. One of the girls came out of the building and headed to the small store across the street. So I decided to take a look see. When I saw her face, it was difficult to gauge her age and was worried about her being under 18. She had blonde hilights and was about 5'5 100 lbs and was wearing her pants very low. In the store I grabbed some beer and some snacks and said hello. She smiled and had no problem talking to me. I invited her over for a beer out front of the Playa Mar. She said she needed to take something to her room, but met me fifteen minutes later. After 30 minutes passed and a few beers disappeared, I finally asked her how old she was and she showed me her cedulla which indicated she just turned 18 the week before. I asked if she wanted to go upstairs and she had no problem. The security guard checked her ID and gave me the thumbs up. The people she was with was her brother and his girlfriend and were visiting from Pierria (sic). We spent the next few hours sitting on the balcony talking and drinking some Chivas before heading to Risguisimo for dinner. Eventually we ended up in the room for a couple of hours enjoying her body. She did not ask for money which surprised me, so I decided to spend a few days with her taking her to Rosario and to centro at night for dancing, drinks, and food. This was a nice three day experience which I have not been able to duplicate. Sometimes the best experiences are not planned.
Thanks to Jim and Tom33, I have found my "Holy Grail" and promised myself to spend at least an hour a day fishing.
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[quote=gonzo]on an aside, just for something different, i had one the taxistas that hang in front of playa mar take me on a tour of some of the poorest neighborhoods in cartagena. we went to the commercial district, just outside of la popa, then headed southest along the road that hugs the bay in barrio san francisco. now, i've spent a bunch of time in india, and have seen things you would not believe, but the all consuming poverty of many of these neighborhoods is really something to behold. you should see what passes for a bathroom. in any case, it gives you an understanding why these ladies spend time in laguito - otherwise the situation is fairly hopeless, an endless life of poverty in hot, sometimes stinking conditions. mi taxista said that about 65% of ctg lives in various degrees of poverty, and a significantly small percentage escape to the middle class.
jim also mentioned to me that because ctg was relatively safe during the height of the farc civil wars, people would just send their children to live in ctg to escape the violence, further adding to the economic stress of ctg. if you have time to kill and want to do something different, check out the poor barrios. barrio san francisco was relatively safe midday from the safety of the main road, but the neighborhoods below la popa were a touch more dicey. but it's fine if you're rolling in a taxi - it seems these places are too damn poor to afford guns. but not machetes. in any case, it may give you an appreciation for the residents of ctg if you see their places. and there are poor places than barrio san francisco, and more dangerous, further southeast.[/quote]all of the housing in colombia is divided into estratos. estrato 6 is the best and 1 is the worst. laguito, of course, is a 6. about 75% of the people in cartagena live in estrato 1.
most people are better off staying in the tourist zone. it can get hairy outside. i dated a girl for several years who lived in foco rojo. that is roughly the area north of la avenida before you get to the big sports complex. the streets are not paved. there is no running water in the houses. you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] in a bucket in the back yard. she could not go home after dark.
there are several very bad areas in cartagena. foco rojo is only one. if you don't know where the others are, you probably should stay in the tourist zone. you are safe in a taxi that you get in the tourist zone. the taxista will not go where it is not safe.
Yes, I agree sandra did not look bad last month, But Alba to me is just gross. That gut needs to go.
I did not partake with Sandra on this trip, maybe I should have had here for a round, she does suck a mean cock.
But even when I first encountered both these street urchins, I always locked up my money in the apartment, there was always a "vibe" about Alba, that she was sneaky.
Jim is a legend. That is the office, and I started sitting outside in the office this trip right after dark, and yes you can real them in.
Evening 2: Invited a couple of non-pro amigas over to enjoy a few shots of the Patron I brought with me from the duty-free shop at MIA. We then to dinner in the Old City I enjoy their company and with their English skills the conversation is more lively and fluid. Also, with there being a definite class recognition going-on in Cartagena, we are not subject to the certain looks, etc. , that one might receive when patronizing the better establishments in the city with an Estrato 1 or 2 girl on his arm.
They want to try the Cubano restaurant that is 30 yards or so down the street from Plaza de Santo Domingo. We enter and are seated and I notice that there aren't really any other patrons in the establishment. The only people at sitting at a table appear to be either employees or family of the owner.
I pick-up a definite chill in the air; something just doesn't seem right. No one is smiling in this place. The staff isn't giving me a good vibe. Two of us order a beer a piece, which is 4 mil pesos on the menu. We continue to look over the menu and I feel odd sitting there with the staff and the other table glaring at us.
I tell my amigas that we better confirm that they accept Mastercard before we order (I had enough pesos with me, but with my ATM problem related to not remembering PIN still unresolved, I figured I better conserve those). The waitress indicates that they do not accept MC, only Visa. No problem, I apologize, but we'll have to eat somewhere else. I'd like to pay for the two beers and leave. I give the waitress a 20 mil bill to pay for the tab and request change please.
The waitress brings back 10 mil change in the billfold holder. I indicate that there is a shortage. With the two beers being 4 mil each, I expected more. Our conversation is not going well. The waitress is not making me feel warm and fuzzy, but I insist (in my non-fluent Spanish) that I expect to receive more change and by the way, where is my ticket that shows the total charge for the two beers. This has turned into a small "scene" now, with my persistence and the waitresses refusal to oblige.
Finally, the guy from behind the counter/bar brings my ticket along with a 1 mil peso bill. I look at the ticket and it totals 8, 800 pesos, with a 10% service charge being added, but no IVA. Well, after what just took place, I of course don't feel like they deserve an 800 peso tip and the extra 200 peso shortage, but sometimes you even have to let the principal of the matter go----so I did. I just gave 'them a sly wink to let them know that I didn't appreciate their attempt at the extra self-tip.
Am I worried about 1, 200 pesos. Am I a tightwad? No, but this place gave me bad vibes from the start and I'm not overly fond of people blatantly trying to extract extra money from me because I'm a non-native. At least have a little polish with your game and a smile if you're going to do that.
Well, we end-up at Paco's after confirming that they accept MC. By now I'm a little edgy, but still ready for an enjoyable dinner and a night out on the town with some wonderful amigas. Of course I'd appreciate it if the two guys standing in the Plaza would turn around and not stare at us through the open air window. The vendors are now coming-up to the open air window, but I deftly handle them with a no gracias. The lady selling flowers does not heed my no gracias, not my second, nor my third. She just knows that I want flowers for my two beautiful amigas----wrong! I have to take it a step further than "no gracias" and that does the trick.
Now I expect this when I'm dining out in the Plaza, but my preference is to do without the vendors coming up to the open air window since we are inside of the restaurant. I can usually have fun with them, but after my chilly experience at the Cubano restaurant, I'd just really like to have an enjoyable private dinner with my two amigas. I know, I know. What am I doing at a restaurant in Plaza de Santo Domingo if those were my desires, LOL.
We enjoy drinks/beers, an appetizer and dinner for three, with the total coming to around $60. $70 USD. While everything was good, I can't give it a glowing report. I've had much better in Cartagena for the same price or less.
After dinner we head to a small bar down the street from the Plaza. The bar is called Via Apia Tapas. It's Karoke night, with a stunner sponsering Jose Cuervo giving away a couple of bottles of Tequila. We enjoy a bottle of Tequila (buy the whole bottle, way cheaper than paying for shots, even if you only drink half the bottle) and have some fun with the crowd. Of course, in the back of my mind, I sure would like a GF for the night.
I come-up with a reason that I need to get home for some rest and head back to mi apartamento en Laguito. It's somewhere close to 3 or after, so I call a girl I had met on my trip in July. She answers and sounds excited that I called. And she's coming over. Yes!
She shows-up in 15-20 minutes. Hmmmm, did LDV just close, LOL. Wow, she looks damn good. What a freakin' body this chica has. When I met her in July, she was dressed very plainly, actually kind of homely. When I got her back to my place and out of her clothes in July, she had what I call a "surprise body". In a very good way. She's a hard body with a great ass. Chica either works out or received a fantastic gift from God.
Now two months later, she's not dressed so plainly, in fact she's had her hair done-up, is wearing new clothes and shoes that are most definately from a better store than she'd shopped at before, etc. Everything about her said "I've come into some money", LOL. Hmmmm, new gringo boyfriend who frequents Western Union? LOL
Well, we enjoy the night together. She has a great personality, great body and is fun in bed. After pleasuring each other with much foreplay and covered BJ and dental jam DATY (LOL), we explore several different of my favorite positions. After reaching full satisfaction, the sun has now come out and the tequila has taken its toll. I crank-up the air and the fan, she gets under the cover and curls up next to me.
We awake several hours later around 11 and enjoy some fun in the shower together. She needs to go (has a daughter). After she gets dressed and is heading out the door, I hand her 135 mil pesos folded-up. She doesn't count it, just puts it in her purse, gives me a kiss with a smile and heads out the door.
Damn that was great. But I tell myself, don't go there. She's not your future wife. In fact you need to drink some coffee and get some breakfast to re-charge so you can go hunthing this afternoon, LOL.
Well I'll have to do the Day 3 report later. Time to get some work done.
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I sometimes need to remind myself to let the little things go when I am down there. It does get tiresome being the tourist gringo, it starts at the airport when I arrive with the street guys grabbing my bag wanting a tip to open the taxi door! The touts on the beach are annoying. But it's all in the experience I guess. One tip I will pass on to newbies is always ask the taxista how much to your destination. After you get there is not a good time to learn the ride that was 5k yesterday is 10k today. Just by asking you are sending a message you probably already know the fare. It works for me.
Hi to all CTG experts:
I am planing a trip to CTG for about 4 days. I dont speak spanish.
Can some one suggest me how to spend 4 days of mongering in CTG, like what to do and where to go in the morning, afternoon and night.
I also like to stay in a hotel which is in $ 50-75 range close to the action. Please sugeest a couple of hotels in this range.
I will really appreciate all your help in making my trip full of fun.
Thanks in advance.
Player2
[QUOTE=Gonzo]Hey Hang Low, good to hear from you! Hope all is well with you also. Yes, I did go out with her, and thus began a three day soap opera that I'll certainly not forget. She's a 35 yr old Paisa with a smoking bod, a part-time professional salsa teacher, obviously voluptuous with a flat belly.
Unfortunately, she was very inexperienced emotionally - I was the 4th man in her life, her first gringo, and it showed. Now, I don't have a great game, but she apparently was w/o sex for a while and I ignited her. She fell for me hard, and it was also freaky how much we had in common - a few more days, we would have been able to finish off each other's sentences. But I was not interested in any kind of LT relationship, and she was gaga, telling me how much she loved me every hour. She was already making plans to buy web cameras, visiting me in the US, meeting her family, etc. She introduced me to her friends by cell phone. It's started getting ridiculous. CTG is a romantic place, and it can do that to a person!
We did a bunch of fun stuff together, and I like her, she's a buena, but there is always the dark side - she thought of me as her walking ATM. This unspoken expectation: that I was going to pay for everything she desired or wanted was quite the shock. She even had the gall to ask to go to Studio F on the way to the airport (a ticket that I paid for to send her off), and began to buy about 5 things as if I was her narcotraficante millionaire boyfriend. I had to pull her aside and say knock it off. I almost walked out of Studio F and left her there.
In any case, when I broke it off, then came the tears. In realidad, she was my first non-pro Latina and I've come to realize that the non-pros are way more expensive. And dangerous. Never again. After I dropped her off at the airport, she called me every 4 hours for several days later. She even called Tony to track me down at the beach. I gotta give her an 'A' for resourcefulness. She was heart-broken, and I felt bad for doing that. But it had to be done.
There's an spanish saying, that in the world of love, men are the poets, and women are accountants. We're simpler creatures emotionally, and women do a cost-benefit analysis in their heads or with their girlfriends. In any case, I felt like the accountant this time, knowing that this was a short romantic fling in CTG. In another time, place, universe, maybe, but not now.
In any case, I learned my lesson: Stick.To.The. Pros.
BTW, just before you and your friend left that day, Tony pulls me aside and asks me if I wanted to see a chica. My curiosity piqued, I go with him and meet up with a chica that could be described as Giselle Bundchen's younger sister, about 5'8", blonde, hot. But the first words from her mouth were '300,000 por dos horas'. My first words were 'Chau!' Stick with the pros, but not ones with dollar signs for pupils in their eyes.
In any case, it was good to meet you, and since you're a regular in CTG, if by any chance you run into my non-pro on the beach, you never heard from me again! Apologies for the long report, I guess in needed to vent.[/QUOTE]I knew she was going to be that way... She looked like she wanted to fuck and I am glad I passed on her. I meet the girl that Tony wanted to hook you up with 2 weeks ago. I passed at the beach with her but then caught her on the street about an hour later and got all that ass for 120K for 3 hours. Tony is very hit and miss but have had good luck with him if you can bear with his bullshit. I have been back to Colombia 2 times since Sept 1st and will spend 10 days in Nov. in Cartagena. It's growing on me virsa Medellin. Now Medellin has much hotter chics but laying on the beach with a hot girl rubbing oil on you and drinking beers beats hanging out in Medellin going to the zoo and the mall and chasing chicas on the Casa hunt. DID you happen to get any photos of her body? Take care and lets hook up on your next trip.
[quote=tom 33]most people are better off staying in the tourist zone. it can get hairy outside. i dated a girl for several years who lived in foco rojo. that is roughly the area north of la avenida before you get to the big sports complex. the streets are not paved. there is no running water in the houses. you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] in a bucket in the back yard. she could not go home after dark.
there are several very bad areas in cartagena. foco rojo is only one. if you don't know where the others are, you probably should stay in the tourist zone. you are safe in a taxi that you get in the tourist zone. the taxista will not go where it is not safe.[/quote]can't speak to ctg, but i've spent quite a lot of time in the bottom estratos in bog. they're not for the faint-hearted, the unaccompanied, nor those without their wits about them.
i only once had good cause to go to a lower estrato barrio in ctg and, as tom says, we were warned off in no uncertain terms.
[QUOTE=Player2]Hi to all CTG experts:
I am planing a trip to CTG for about 4 days. I dont speak spanish.
Can some one suggest me how to spend 4 days of mongering in CTG, like what to do and where to go in the morning, afternoon and night.
I also like to stay in a hotel which is in $ 50-75 range close to the action. Please sugeest a couple of hotels in this range.
I will really appreciate all your help in making my trip full of fun.
Thanks in advance.
Player2[/QUOTE] Your best bet is to contact Juan Ventura for an apartment in Laguito.It will cost from 50-80 a night and it is where you want to be(Laguito).Daytime action is the beach in front of the big pink hotel in Boca grande(Tony beach).Night time is La Dolce Vida in Laguito near the apartments ..just ask anyone. Also the casas at night .Not speaking spanish is not fatal but it will present problems,especially with the chicas.