Tptp76's experience is surely a welcome input for me as I am also going to be scouting in FL bars for ST / LT. Will definitely keep the prices suggested by members in mind while engaging with women.
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Tptp76's experience is surely a welcome input for me as I am also going to be scouting in FL bars for ST / LT. Will definitely keep the prices suggested by members in mind while engaging with women.
Baccara is full of avg to way below avg. Looking girls. Of the big 4 it comes in at number 4. WOW!
Will be curious to find out your experience at the FL bars / clubs as I don't find a lot of that mentioned in the forum. Its mainly the Go Gos and the MPs. I really enjoy the whole selection process and prefer to make my choice from these clubs.
Looking forward to your FRs.
[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1637102]Tptp76's experience is surely a welcome input for me as I am also going to be scouting in FL bars for ST / LT. Will definitely keep the prices suggested by members in mind while engaging with women.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1637082]Re your sentence on one with "superstar looks", I get plenty of those off the street for a fraction of your 4 k, though I have little interest or ability to converse with them & engage in risky constricted visits to the Greek Islands, either mine or theirs.[/QUOTE]A girl with superstar looks would be a fool to work the street.
1. Customers are cheep.
2. Its a lot more dangerous.
Sorry, these are no spectacular new insights, rather than a compilaton of what I experienced during my main stream" stay. So this is not going to be a sophisticated field report, I just want to give back to the forum the little that I can.
Arrived in the afternoon and took a taxi using the public taxi booth at level 1, yet the driver did not know my hotel and could not locate it on his GPS map, luckily I had the phone number of the place.
I stayed Two Tree Mansion for 5 nights and was quite pleased, centrally located close to Asoke BTS on a side soi of soi 23, very quiet place, not plush, but spacy, clean room for 1500 Bht / night. Disadvantages: you pay for WIFI, good signal but broke down more than once, only a few TV channels (for whom it matters I appreciated the girls not looking TV); guest IDs are not checked.
The girls.
Most time I did soi Cowboy, nude dancing at several places I. E. Dollhouse, Crazy house, Suzie Wong and Long Gun, one of the last two had a good show as well. Generally the prettier girls were biased towards asian customers lots of them featuring the asian barbie style" what is not my cup of tea anyway I prefer slim, but don't mind darker skin and a little bit mature woman as long as they show some interest at stage and are well manored (ie. NOT agressive Tequila hunters). I usually detest ladies coming uninvited to your seat that think your supposed to buy them a LD just because they could not entice a customer during there shift aaaand you are rich falang. SW had not that pretty girls but pushy staff.
Barfine was 6-700 Bht with exception being Dollhouse that had an early BF (before 2300) of 1500 Bht.
At a massage place the lady tried to convince me of extras while giving me the traditional massage and told me BF would be 1000 Bht. I don't know if this is common but found it ridiculous especially because of massage business being slow obviously, told her I can get a sexy Gogo Dancer for less this being Thailand not sure if she got the message. BTW the massage was mediocre and I doubt she learned a program lasting more than 30 minutes.
Most of the ladies that passed the interview confessed to do ST only. This tendency is already discussed extensivly on this thread, imo they were not looking for another ST afterwards (usually barfined after 2300) but just had made enough money and prefered to sleep at home because of BF, baby, second job; you name it. Always payed ST 2 hours 2000 Bht the exception being Crazy House where it was 2500, unnegociable 500 going to the mamasan.
In the hotel usually the ladies were willing to please and doing BBBJ. So over all a good experience but missing the morning romp.
Soi 7 Beergareden went there several days in the afternoon when I had some time to spend. Weekdays slow business, regular to plain looking ladies only, Thursday 2 better looking girls with good english skills, sorry no test drive for being too early 1600. Friday 1800 really busy, both ladies and customers and again some better looking girls but already talking to customers, did not stay long. Saturday 1800 less busy one goodlooking girl together with 2 friends obviously looking for a couple of young guys taking them out for party not the one in the bedroom.
Thank you for reading, next stop Samui.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1637082]I think if you've begun recieving sexual services & then leave as you described, one day you may be hearing from the girl's friends, BF or "handlers" re what you owe her. OTOH if she has agreed to do only one specific thing, say BBBJ, but refuses in your room or tries to do something different, then I've felt free to immediately dismiss her from my hotel room without any payment. No need for taxi fare as her work location was within 5 minutes walk.
A girl shouldn't agree to something if she doesn't understand English well enough to know what she's agreeing to or has no intention of doing it. I've never had a problem dismissing such a girl, all ladies of the street, from my hotel room & can count on about 2 fingers the number of times I've done it in hundreds of sessions.
If I haven't negotiated services, but only price at 1000 baht, then once sexual services have begun even if things don't go to my liking & I dismiss the TG, I feel obligated to take the high road & pay what was agreed upon. That's not much to risk re the very rare event of service being so lame that I want her to leave. Thai sex workers would want to avoid the loss of face with her coworkers that may involve. They also want to get paid & feel religiously obligated to make the man happy or cum. But it's easy to just throw a rare lame one back into the pond & take another. Those who perform to my satisfaction, which is the vast majority of cases, I generally tip well above that basic street girl standard price.
Re your sentence on one with "superstar looks", I get plenty of those off the street for a fraction of your 4 k, though I have little interest or ability to converse with them & engage in risky constricted visits to the Greek Islands, either mine or theirs.[/QUOTE]Pink, I have lived here for 15 years and I have never had a problem when ending a session. Why? Because I am always very polite about it. In English or Thai depending on the case, I tell the girl that I don't want her to do anything that she does not want to do or is uncomfortable with. With FLs I always ask about services I want up front. I am demanding. I expect a PSE performance. A+ is the only thing that I don't insist on. Rimming, BBBJ, DFF, DATY, fingering, etc. All a must. I tell them, again in Thai or in English, I want them to act like they are in a "sex movie" or with their boyfriend. Many gals promise the world and then decide they don't want to deliver. Hey, no harm no foul. Up to her. I don't get mad. I get dressed and leave. I would never have a P4 P gal to my place. Now that is asking for potential trouble.
And if services are not delivered or it is lackluster and I call it off then I don't feel obligated to pay what was agreed upon. On all but one occasion the gal has left without a fuss. Later I even talked and joked with that one out on the street. Again, it is all about attitude. Smile and be nice. I imagine there are lots of dudes who get angry and aggressive when they don't get what they want.
BTW, If a repair man did not fix my washing machine I would not pay him either. And sorry, I do consider 1 k real money. That is over three times the required daily wage in Thailand. And no I don't tip. Never have. Not to FLs, GoGo gals, nor massage parlor gals.
And again, I have never paid 4 k. I have never paid over 1. 5 k for a FL. Why? Guess I have never met one that meets the criteria of looks and performance.
[QUOTE=Smily59;1637449]. Disadvantages: you pay for WIFI, good signal but broke down more than once, only a few TV channels
.[/QUOTE]Reminds me that I used the Au Bon Pain coffee shop in BKK recently. Breezed up to counter and got my latte and asked for the wifi password. " no sir, you have to pay for wifi ".
Interesting business model, to pay for what every one else gives for free. Actively avoided the place thereafter both in BKK and Pattaya.
And wifi in Bangkok airport. Equally messed up. Theres a form whereby you have to supply lots of pertinent information and only when its complete can you maybe get wifi. Makes Manila airports look reasonably advanced in that regard. LOL. OK wifi rant over.
[QUOTE=Smily59;1637449]Most of the ladies that passed the interview confessed to do ST only. This tendency is already discussed extensivly on this thread, imo they were not looking for another ST afterwards (usually barfined after 2300) but just had made enough money and prefered to sleep at home because of BF, baby, second job; you name it. Always payed ST 2 hours 2000 Bht the exception being Crazy House where it was 2500, unnegociable 500 going to the mamasan..[/QUOTE]So you pay CH girl 2500 and she kicks back 500 to momma?
I guess because CH hires prostitutes who are un-employable elsewhere she can get away with it.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1637451]Pink, I have lived here for 15 years and I have never had a problem when ending a session. Why? Because I am always very polite about it. In English or Thai depending on the case, I tell the girl that I don't want her to do anything that she does not want to do or is uncomfortable with. With FLs I always ask about services I want up front. I am demanding. I expect a PSE performance. A+ is the only thing that I don't insist on. Rimming, BBBJ, DFF, DATY, fingering, etc. All a must. I tell them, again in Thai or in English, I want them to act like they are in a "sex movie" or with their boyfriend. Many gals promise the world and then decide they don't want to deliver. Hey, no harm no foul. Up to her. I don't get mad. I get dressed and leave. I would never have a P4 P gal to my place. Now that is asking for potential trouble.
And if services are not delivered or it is lackluster and I call it off then I don't feel obligated to pay what was agreed upon. On all but one occasion the gal has left without a fuss. Later I even talked and joked with that one out on the street. Again, it is all about attitude. Smile and be nice. I imagine there are lots of dudes who get angry and aggressive when they don't get what they want.
BTW, If a repair man did not fix my washing machine I would not pay him either. And sorry, I do consider 1 k real money. That is over three times the required daily wage in Thailand. And no I don't tip. Never have. Not to FLs, GoGo gals, nor massage parlor gals.
And again, I have never paid 4 k. I have never paid over 1. 5 k for a FL. Why? Guess I have never met one that meets the criteria of looks and performance.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% with your view.
Sadly I am shy enough not to be able to even politely stop a session. Next time should go together!
[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1636948]At clubs and FL bars, if we even talk price ahead of time, I will only offer 1000-1500 k (that goes for Bangkok and Pattaya). Why? Because that my price. Straight and simple. I don't care how much she wants or what others may have given her before. If she doesn't want my money another lady does.[/QUOTE]Solid advice. In addition, it's a good idea to name your price, instead of asking her for the price. That way, you show you know the deal, and she doesn't feel that she lost out if she has to go down sharply from her initial stratospheric offer. If it's "take it or leave it", you won't appear to be pleading (as you would if she made the first offer), and if you end up bargaining, you just set a low base, so any increase is a win for her (it's called anchoring).
[QUOTE=Tptp76;1637395]Will be curious to find out your experience at the FL bars / clubs as I don't find a lot of that mentioned in the forum. Its mainly the Go Gos and the MPs. I really enjoy the whole selection process and prefer to make my choice from these clubs.
Looking forward to your FRs.[/QUOTE]Sure mate. Will post my experience once back, don't carry tablet / laptop with me hence becomes difficult to post anything from phone. Only use it to refer to any recent posts on the relevant threads where I am travelling. But the way weathers forecasted for the weekend hope it dosent end up wetting my body and drying up my trip. Had my fill of monsoon for this year already. No more rains plsssss.
Any additional inputs welcome from seniors especially for rainy days in BKK. Reading up on posts from last year same time might not be relevant with the speed at which the city seems to be changing.
TIA
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1637696]Solid advice. In addition, it's a good idea to name your price, instead of asking her for the price. That way, you show you know the deal, and she doesn't feel that she lost out if she has to go down sharply from her initial stratospheric offer. If it's "take it or leave it", you won't appear to be pleading (as you would if she made the first offer), and if you end up bargaining, you just set a low base, so any increase is a win for her (it's called anchoring).[/QUOTE]Amen. I agree 100%. Tell her what you will pay. If she doesn't want it, walk.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1637451]BTW, If a repair man did not fix my washing machine I would not pay him either. And sorry, I do consider 1 k real money. That is over three times the required daily wage in Thailand. And no I don't tip. Never have. Not to FLs, GoGo gals, nor massage parlor gals.
And again, I have never paid 4 k. I have never paid over 1. 5 k for a FL. Why? Guess I have never met one that meets the criteria of looks and performance.[/QUOTE]You'd be owing the repair man if he was working by the hour & you kicked him out after a few.
I wonder if Bill Gates is crying about a lost 1000 baht or 30 USD. I expect at the end of his life 30 dollars less won't be the straw that broke the camel's back or put him out of business.
The minimum wage is 300 baht a day or 10 USD. So about a dollar an hour. That's fair? Or a ridiculous joke?
In a high risk profession like sex trade work one is worthy of a far higher wage than the typical job. That is often the norm around the world. They make as much as lawyers, doctors & the like. And justly so.
You don't tip & have only a 50 percent success rate in sessions with freelancers. I typically tip hugely, am known by the freelance ladies of the street to do so & have over a 95 percent satisfaction clip with sessions. I think I'll stick to my way of doing things.
You've never paid a FL over 1500? That narrows your options considerably, as the more stunning ladies can easily make more than that or the same amount without being required to do all the services you demand. Thermae coffee shop, for an example.
No wonder you've practically given up on freelancers. Since they're about the cheapest around, how much do you pay where you go? Hot gogo girls will generally set you back at least 2000 plus a 600 bar fine & not want to work hard for it. For that much dough you'd get much more bang for your buck, services and enthusiasm out of a street girl.
[QUOTE=Steve7777;1637611]So you pay CH girl 2500 and she kicks back 500 to momma?
I guess because CH hires prostitutes who are un-employable elsewhere she can get away with it.[/QUOTE]Well, this is what she told me andsemms likely because the mamasan cashed the money in the bar. I usually pay when the girl leaves. What makes you believe they are un-employable elsewhere? They had some stunners.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1637850]You'd be owing the repair man if he was working by the hour & you kicked him out after a few.
I wonder if Bill Gates is crying about a lost 1000 baht or 30 USD. I expect at the end of his life 30 dollars less won't be the straw that broke the camel's back or put him out of business.
The minimum wage is 300 baht a day or 10 USD. So about a dollar an hour. That's fair? Or a ridiculous joke?
In a high risk profession like sex trade work one is worthy of a far higher wage than the typical job. That is often the norm around the world. They make as much as lawyers, doctors & the like. And justly so.
You don't tip & have only a 50 percent success rate in sessions with freelancers. I typically tip hugely, am known by the freelance ladies of the street to do so & have over a 95 percent satisfaction clip with sessions. I think I'll stick to my way of doing things.
You've never paid a FL over 1500? That narrows your options considerably, as the more stunning ladies can easily make more than that or the same amount without being required to do all the services you demand. Thermae coffee shop, for an example.
No wonder you've practically given up on freelancers. Since they're about the cheapest around, how much do you pay where you go? Hot gogo girls will generally set you back at least 2000 plus a 600 bar fine & not want to work hard for it. For that much dough you'd get much more bang for your buck, services and enthusiasm out of a street girl.[/QUOTE]Pink, Up until a few years ago my success rate with FLs was almost 100%. From 99 till about 07 about 75% of the gals I took were FLs, mainly from Thermae. Always paid 1 k baht. Never tipped and it was never an issue. Sadly dudes started paying much more and the market was quickly spoiled. And the higher the price has gotten the lower the service has become and the worse the attitudes have become. Why? In Thailand as self-worth is based on the baht. As is in many ways "face." You are taking girls fresh off the farm with very little status and piopping huge cash in their hands. Kind of like when Uncle Boochie and Cousin Weenie from West Virginia win the lottery. These are for the most part girls with a 6th grade "edumacation." The mentality is pure West Virginia "holler" but the gals have all their teeth.
How much do I pay where I go? Well, that would be the oilies. Gal gets 1500 baht. House gets 400,600, or 800 depending on the length of the session. 1900 baht for an hour and that include the room. With a FL I have to pay 350 for the ST room. So for 50 baht more I can pop as many times as I want in that hour and all services are included. And there is no guessing and no drama.
And no, its not a joke; up until two years ago the min wage was 180 baht per day.
Pink, the repair man would complete the job, or he would not get paid and would be in trouble with his company. P4P sex is a service like any other.
Of course we are not talking about Bill Gates. We are talking about the average monger who comes to Thailand because the tang and living are good and not so expensive.