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[QUOTE=Spam Hog]Seasons are ass backwards in this hemispehre and they really are not like what you experience in the US or Europe. Heat index wise I cant tell the difference although my spouse and her filipina counterparts can, complaining of the "cold" right now, only about 85.

Thing you have to worry about here (and it is NOT a major worry) is Typhoon season. They come off the Pacific every so often and bash into the eastern side of Mindanao, bounce off the mountains and head north to smash into Leyte, samar then tear ass though the flater central Visayas. CEBU does not get much of the battering the costal area get. It translates into rain, heavy at times, some flooding in the streets where the sewer drains are stuffed up with garbage but really nothing to worry about. I wouldn't plan any sail boat trips during September. October but I've ridden the commerical ferru back and forth to Mindano a lot without any probelems other than some heavy rain.

The weather turns hotter in March and remains so until about June, which is when the kids go back to school.

Look into staying in the lahug area temporarily from which you can hit all the major shopping centers and most things we foreigners like to do. (Mongering sites and go go bars are close by). You can rent a place for under $300 a month but most landlords want a one year lease.

Also look into moving across the line to Mandau city or Lapu Lapu, personally I think its cheaper to buy property in those areas than Cebu city proper.

Regards


Spamhog[/QUOTE]


Great description of the weather!

With respect to AIDS the problem is that the pope says NO CONDOMS and cebu is VERY Catholic. Bargirls are quite smart about condoms, though. I'm sure a person could manipulate a newbie to a bar out of it. But they do not want BB sex.

One of the biggest probs with the poverty is so much sex with poor people and they can't use condoms. Waaaaay too many kids, and with all the phil guys fucking around as much as they can I'm surprised there is not more HIV

Wander (et al); check out my post on the Davao board and my discussion on
STD tracking efforts in the Davao area. I can only guess at Cebu and I don't have any hard stats, it seems that where you have a more international population you tend to have more HIV, every once in awhile the papers make a big deal out of some Phil Overseas worker who returns HIV positive. I beleive from what I have heard/read that Angeles and Manila to be more HIV cases and recently on this board (I can't remember what thread) one of the bretheren post a link to an article on HIV (inq7????) which is the Phils inquirer newspaper link. My general impression is that HIV IS NOT the problem here as it is in Thailand. Most bars/bar girls require a condom use as a condition of continued employment and the girls are checked once a week IF they have a GRO license that allows such employment.

You are spot on concerning the attitude of the Phils towards condoms, the Catholic church says they are a sin and thats that. Most Phils dont spring for condoms anyhow, too cheap and the macho attitude towards it, ergo a high incidence of pregnancy. THAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY!!!!
Overpopulation, people having more kids than they can support or as they say here "no family planning". Most of the continuing efforts here are from various Govt health orgs backed up by WHO and even missionaries.

I would NOT bareback anybody!!! I know a lot of guys do it but you run the risk of disease with the bar girls even if the odds are against it, then of course pregnancy. I'll be the first to admit that when I was mongering I got a lot of BBBJ's, from pros, semi pro's, non pros and regular girls, never got the drips, but most of that was in the Davao area, CDO, Surigao and some in Cebu where the odds are against it.

Also you may PM me if you wish more info on retiring/living in Cebu

Regards

Spamhog

What's all this talk about bar girls and this illusional idea of only having sex with a condom?

I've been to PI a number of times and I never found a bar girl who cared about using one.

[QUOTE=Sloth]What's all this talk about bar girls and this illusional idea of only having sex with a condom?

I've been to PI a number of times and I never found a bar girl who cared about using one.[/QUOTE]

And where is that? In 12 months here, over a 2 year period, I've been with over 40 bar girls in JUST Cebu-- never another part of the country where I par-took in bars (usually brought my own if went).

Of those 40 there was not one that did anything to lead me to think she expected we would bareback. ALL these girls are from bars where Phil guys are the minority.

As for "normal" relationships, condoms are NOT common. Anyone who's spent time in Cebu knows it is like pulling teath trying to buy them. Sometimes you wind up waiting in line to get them from a pharmasist while others are getting there medince bottles filled. And what is really stupid is some pharmacies don't even carry them.

Vitaman V on the other hand...guess the pope would have no prob with that...easy enough to buy from a upstanding pharmacy (-:

[QUOTE=Spam Hog]My general impression is that HIV IS NOT the problem here as it is in Thailand.[/QUOTE]
Yes you are correct because I believe the Phil. is more isolated and has far less tourists in general. What is more of a problem and does not get much attention is hepetitis-c. It is much more contageous than HIV and is endemic to S.E. Asia. Most people never know the have it until it is too late. With the limited research I've done, it is possible to get inoculated with a regimen of shots over a period of time. Maybe someone here in the know can shed more light on this subject.

Several years ago on my first visit to Cebu, I generally hung out with women I met on the net except for a SW I picked up only receiving a BBBJ. With the regular women (3 of them) I would do lots of DFK and foreplay before sticking it to them. When I returned home I came down with mono. It knocked me out for about three weeks and it was the sickest I have ever been. I was very careful about STD's and look where it got me. LOL
[QUOTE=Sloth]I've been to PI a number of times and never found a bar girl who cared about using one[/QUOTE]
Yeah your right about that. When I was in AC earlier this year, I barfined a gal and after the first round with a condom she tells me to forget about the condom for the second round! I suppose it boils down to lack of basic sex education that is the norm in the P.I.

[QUOTE=Mattrick]What is more of a problem and does not get much attention is hepetitis-c. It is much more contageous than HIV and is endemic to S.E. Asia. Most people never know the have it until it is too late. With the limited research I've done, it is possible to get inoculated with a regimen of shots over a period of time. Maybe someone here in the know can shed more light on this subject.[/QUOTE]

There's no vaccine available for HepC as of now, but it's on the way.

Meanwhile, make sure you get your HepA/B shots. It's a very good & cheap insurance if you visit SE Asia frequently!

[QUOTE=Spam Hog]Somewhere else on this board I told one of the brethern who I thought was interested in moving to the Phils permanently that one could live like a "fuedal warlord", I was quite suprised at his response which included vilification heaped upon yours truly and others, but since I appear to be dealing with sane ration people here let me repeat:

In the Philippines and in most of Asia one with a western "income" be it pension, 401 K or just doing well in business can live like a Fuedal warlord. Servants, high walls, security subdivisions, people treating you like you are special even though your just another Joe average.

Just a note, the Spamhog lives on a generous US pension, dabbles in "consulting" here and there and sometimes plays the US stock market (Experimenting in the Philippines stock exchange lately also). Of all the worries I have, those financial are the LEAST, how many of the brethern living in the Western world can say that??? I have a very good lifestyle indeed. Just finished a tour of Hong Kong and Macau with my lady, had a great time, now thinking about Thailand after the first of the year.

But as Cebu local says, it aint all a bed of Roses, there IS A DOWNSIDE. Having lived, worked and mongered in Davao, Cagayan De Oro and now living in CEBU I must say there are things I miss about the good ol US, so it is a trade off.

Yes the ladies are the main atttraction and dont take this wrong but after a while the mongering lifestyle appeals to those who first arrive here but after awhile the novelty wears off and you will be looking for some stability. But first you must play around so Wander luster and the rest of you guys by all means visit and enjoy the PI but also use it as a central base from which to launch your mongering operations to Thailand, Singapore and Hong kong.

PS Wander luster if you do get to the Phils and want to have a sit down, just PM me and I'll give you my digits, I now reside in Cebu and I suggest you look into the place, better by far than Manila, lots of growth potential for new businesses of ANY sort and an international airport, cost of living cheaper than Manila too.

PPS You guys are EXACTLY what Im am talking about when I say ....Swashbucklers!!!

To HORSE! HAHHAHAHA! (Or is it "horse style"???)


The Spamhog[/QUOTE]

Yes i have reached this stage in my life i am 50 have fucked about ac for 2 years ( 7 visits) now, but now want to settle down with one lady only for some stability in my life, and phillipines compared to england is so cheap!

[QUOTE=Wander Luster]And where is that? In 12 months here, over a 2 year period, I've been with over 40 bar girls in JUST Cebu-- never another part of the country where I par-took in bars (usually brought my own if went).

Of those 40 there was not one that did anything to lead me to think she expected we would bareback. ALL these girls are from bars where Phil guys are the minority.

As for "normal" relationships, condoms are NOT common. Anyone who's spent time in Cebu knows it is like pulling teath trying to buy them. Sometimes you wind up waiting in line to get them from a pharmasist while others are getting there medince bottles filled. And what is really stupid is some pharmacies don't even carry them.

Vitaman V on the other hand...guess the pope would have no prob with that...easy enough to buy from a upstanding pharmacy (-:[/QUOTE]I am not doubting your expertise on the Cebu scene in any way. I have never been to Cebu thus I have no first hand information to provide on it.

But, I find it odd that the Bar girls there are different than their AC or Manila counterparts when it comes to sex education and condom use. I'm supposed to believe that the education level of these girls are better than anywhere else in PI? That just sounds strange to me. Were these girls brought up in the West and had access to a Western education?

[QUOTE=Sloth]What's all this talk about bar girls and this illusional idea of only having sex with a condom?

I've been to PI a number of times and I never found a bar girl who cared about using one.[/QUOTE]All of my experience has been with bargirls from the Manila metro area but I've found that the girls don't seem to care one way or the other about me wearing a condom. In fact, I get the impression that they would rather NOT use one if they had a choice. IMHO

Guinness

Gayness wrote:

"All of my experience has been with bargirls from the Manila metro area "

If you substitute the word "bakla" (Filipino for Transvestities) for "bargirls" I have no doubt his statement is true. He ALWAYS talks about dicks, never about pussy. Read his other posts and you'll see what I mean.

We all know that the GRO's are STD tested prior to obtaining their licence to work in the bar. But I'm unclear on two things.

1) How often are they tested (weekly, bi-monthly, monthly)?
2) What exactly are they tested for?

I know this has been discussed in the past but any additional info on this topic would be appreciated.

Guinness

[QUOTE=Guinness]We all know that the GRO's are STD tested prior to obtaining their licence to work in the bar. But I'm unclear on two things.

1) How often are they tested (weekly, bi-monthly, monthly)?
2) What exactly are they tested for?

I know this has been discussed in the past but any additional info on this topic would be appreciated.

Guinness[/QUOTE]It's weekly for syph, clap, etc which the doc takes a swab from their beaver for testing. They only get an HIV test once per year. However if they get barfined by Bareback Bill then they get quarantined for 30 days until a full battery of tests are completed. :)

[QUOTE=J Boy]Well I wasn't actually in the examination room. For all I know the Dr may put on a glove and stick a finger inside but there is NO lab work done. This information is second hand but I have heard it from several long time AC guys.[/QUOTE]I'll assume that the tests performed in Manila are the same as they are in AC (visual). A visual test would only catch a herpes outbreak or genital warts but it's surprising that they wouldn't test for Gonorrhea, Chlamydia, Syphilis, etc. Quite disturbing actually.

Guinness

[QUOTE=Guinness]Please say it's NOT true...
[/QUOTE]
Tak boleh. I would say it's true. Imagine there are 2000+ girls and all go for a weekly test. How much time does the doc can take for each girl? Usually those tests are done within 5 minutes a girl told me.
So better safe than sorry.
Cheers!

Hi, I am going to be in PI from Dec 2-17. I am going to spend the first 3 nights in Angeles, but then want to head off for some scuba diving in various locations. I plan to go to Subic and Puerto Galera, but am looking for another location down near Cebu/Bohol region. Possibly Dumagette. I am looking for good dive spots with some strong possibility for action. I have searched the boards and came up with a few suggestions, but nothing definitive. Any ideas? I am 37, average looking at best, and in decent shape, if that matters.

[QUOTE=Spivey24]Hi, I am going to be in PI from Dec 2-17. I am going to spend the first 3 nights in Angeles, but then want to head off for some scuba diving in various locations. I plan to go to Subic and Puerto Galera, but am looking for another location down near Cebu/Bohol region. Possibly Dumagette. I am looking for good dive spots with some strong possibility for action. I have searched the boards and came up with a few suggestions, but nothing definitive. Any ideas? I am 37, average looking at best, and in decent shape, if that matters.[/QUOTE]


combing diving with mongering is a great way to spend your vacation, plenty of both here! Anyhow, Check into Cebu pacific web site for flights directly to Cebu, once here you have many options for diving, you can take a bus to Moalboal or Malapasqua, both terrific sites with a lot of underwater scenery these places are not over run with tourists like Boracay and reasonably priced. You can also take the jet boat to Bohol plenty of Dive action.

Just a note, there is not much Mongering available in those three locales, oh you can usually find companionship if you look hard enough but there just isn;t much. You can always "bring your own" from Cebu, many of the bar queens will jump at the chance to be your personal guide to these areas or you might find a "regular" girl.

Last, also look into going to Davao for some real interesting diving, one of the leading guides runs a resturuant calle "de bonte cow" A few old WW2 wrecks and some great coral formations near Samal island. Also Davao mongering will be more acessible for you so you dont have to BYOB.
Good Luck

Spamhog

Reminds me when i was in Moalboal, brought a girl with me but soon was bored and wanted to try one of the regulars there. You can find girls there across from the dive club sitting on the wall looking for foreigniers. Stay at the resort across the st. and the manager will help you. No you don't have much of a selection but getting laid should'nt be a problem.

SH,

How long is the bus ride to these places on Cebu Island? I'm not a diver, so are they also good for beaches/swimming/snorkeling? Any hotel recommendations?

SH also mentioned Davao and Bohol. I'm not a diver, but both places have reasonable beaches and snorkeling. Panglao, Bohol has great beaches and can be reached by 90 min from Cebu by ferry plus a short taxi ride. I stayed at ISIS on Alona beach and I brought a regular lady with me. She went along with everything I wanted.
Typical day:wake up ...sex...shower...more sex...swimming... shower...lunch...sex... relax on...beach....snorkel...shower ...sex...etc.

The original poster suggested Dumaguete. One idea is to fly to Dumaguete, dive and play, then ferry to Bohol, dive (byob). You could fly out of Taclibaran, or ferry 90 min back to Dumagute, or 90 min on to Cebu where there is a lot of p4p action.

[QUOTE=Spam Hog]combing diving with mongering is a great way to spend your vacation, plenty of both here! Anyhow, Check into Cebu pacific web site for flights directly to Cebu, once here you have many options for diving, you can take a bus to Moalboal or Malapasqua, both terrific sites with a lot of underwater scenery [/QUOTE]

What is the name of the place "across from the dive club"?

Thank you.

soon was bored and wanted to try one of the regulars there. You can find girls there across from the dive club sitting on the wall looking for foreigniers. Stay at the resort across the st. and the manager will help you. No you don't have much of a selection but getting laid should'nt be a problem.[/QUOTE]

In my one visit to Moalboal way back in 1998 there was a pretty healthy bar girl scene. From talking to guys who have been there it looks like it´s still the same or maybe even better.

As far as combining diving with full-on brass pole bargirl stuff your options are somewhat limited. Puerta Galera comes to mind first. Also, there´s the Subic and Barrio Baretto area. It has a so so bar scene and World War 2 wreck dives out in the bay. There´s also an old, old Spanish-American war ship that´s barely recognizable now.

Mactan is another possibility but I always found the diving lackluster. Also, if you´re staying at the Mactan beach resorts it´s a long way into the city to hit the bars and even a bit of a drive just to get to what there is in Lapu Lapu.

Davao has pretty good diving. But the bargirl scene is limited, as numerous posts on the Davao thread will tell youl.

Dumaguete has even better diving, but even less of a bargirl scene. There are a few desultory bars near the airport. The Why Not bar or trolling the seafront park MAY sometimes turn up something. The trike drivers usually brought good semipro student types to me for reasonable prices. Davao and Dumaguete are both better for hunting regular girls.

Bohol has really good diving but really is a bring your own place. I hear that Malapascua (which I haven´t been to yet) is something similar.

Duka Bay Resort, between Cagayan de Oro and Butuan, has good diving at a small underwater preserve. The nearby towns of Gingoog and Medina don´t really have girlie bars but they do supply lots of girls to the internet dating sites.

agree with Mahku that Puerto Galera has easy combo of BOTH varietals of diving (SCUBA & MUFF). General Santos supposedly too, though lkess newbie friendly (I have not been there). Dapitan/Dipolog area has nice diving too but not much girl action I saw (although I stayed at Dakak Resort with a GF and did not cruise town at night).

Bohol has excellent diving and is so easily accessed from Cebu you can find one there to bring along.

[QUOTE=X Man]SH,

How long is the bus ride to these places on Cebu Island? I'm not a diver, so are they also good for beaches/swimming/snorkeling? Any hotel recommendations?

SH also mentioned Davao and Bohol. I'm not a diver, but both places have reasonable beaches and snorkeling. Panglao, Bohol has great beaches and can be reached by 90 min from Cebu by ferry plus a short taxi ride. I stayed at ISIS on Alona beach and I brought a regular lady with me. She went along with everything I wanted.
Typical day:wake up ...sex...shower...more sex...swimming... shower...lunch...sex... relax on...beach....snorkel...shower ...sex...etc.

The original poster suggested Dumaguete. One idea is to fly to Dumaguete, dive and play, then ferry to Bohol, dive (byob). You could fly out of Taclibaran, or ferry 90 min back to Dumagute, or 90 min on to Cebu where there is a lot of p4p action.[/QUOTE]


Two ways to do it, one is go to "north terminal" near Sm mall and get the bus to "Da'an Bantayan" before you reach that "City" you will stop at the pier to take you to Malapasqua. About 3 & half hrs to four depending. Bantayan Island a little longer. Moalboal less a short distance but more stops it seems. All three a bargain at les than P100 one way.

Option two is to go to the "Van terminal" also nearby, here private vans wait until they get the fill of passengers and contract out to all of those places, fast as less stops (usually one for lunch) so cut an hour or more off the times. Fares vary but "make tawad" for about P300 to Da'an Bantayan. vans are a little cramped, make sure your the first one there and then jump in the "shotgun" seat.

regards

Spamhog

Great info from Spam Hog as always, just to add to his comments.

Another option, especially if you have a girl with you, is to hire a private van to take you to your destination. I went to Moalboal by this way, driver was asking P2000, negotiated to I think P1700. Benefit is it's direct, comfortable, just you and your girl and whatever stuff you are bringing. Driver will stop if you want to buy snacks or drinks or whatever. You get transport directly to your hotel. If you are on a bus or shared van, you are going to end at some standard stopping point. Then have to take some other local transport to your hotel.

Personally, I like travelling a bit more like the locals. So, I try to use the shared vans whenever time allows. One thing to be aware of, they try to pack 'em in. If the van should hold 10, you'll have at least 15 to be considered full. I don't mind at all if the extra person practically sitting on my lap is a cute Filipina. But you might have her overweight , didn't take a shower today (or yesterday) uncle instead. Sometimes I get around that by paying for an extra seat. Cost per person on these shared trips is really cheap (around P100 to P150 for most of the ones I've taken). So you get a lot more comfort if you just pay for an extra seat.

CS

Thanks for the advise everyone. I'm not quite sure where I'll head to, but this gives me some leads. Should be an adventure!!

Billpsu,

The name of the resort is Pinagsami Bch. resort and they make great mango shakes, popular over there. Also is an outdoor bar close by where you can find locals. From Cebu takes about 3 hrs. drive.

Been a long time since I did any kind of real “report”. This one really belongs somewhere in both the Thai boards and here.

Have spent 12 of last 28 months in Cebu. ALL other months in USA.

For 3 weeks I've escaped to LOS and found that the ol' "boring" discussion of thai compared to Phil woman is actually NOT boring and is interesting.

They are truly a different breed. And their backyards are very different places.

True, in the Phils I'm JUST in cebu, having never stepped foot in a bar in Manila or AC. Therefor, Cebu is a puddle and as I write here from Bangkok, well it is certainly an ocean.

Prices: The costs are about 2,150 B here ST and in Cebu it’s about the same price for most places. The dollar is about 1::35 here and 1::50 in Cebu. I discuss performance and experience below, but the sheer amount of choice here makes the deal much better then the numbers sound. On some nights in Cebu it’s a lot of work to find someone that’s an 8+ or 9. Here it should be do-able any night at Nana or Soi Cowboy. You can cherry pick easier (no pun intended). And to me, Cherry picking is what sets a good monger apart from a great one. Only problem is that the beers and especially the ladies drinks really add up here. I think they are a good ½ or even 2X more here. If in Manila is prob more similar for all prices. In AC, Bangkok must be easy 2X more for everything monger related.

I've stayed at a couple places here. And I did a lot of research. I want too give a huge thumbs up to "Drop Inn" on Soi 30 Suk. It’s only 1-2 years old and rocks for the money. This place is about 23 USD, within a long stone’s throw (5 minute walk) of Soi Cowboy and a quick hop on the skytrain to Nana. It's a 3 star hotel with a lot of class, FREE wireless and land-line access, etc.

After boning countless women in Cebu, LOS is such a massive breath of fresh air. And the biggest difference I see here is one that others don't bring up as much. I think IF you are the type that girls can feel that special GF feeling for, this is in some ways better. That is harder to find here! In Cebu and the Phils in general all the girls want a damn ticket to the USA and it is on there mind 24/7. They are so into the heaven that is the US (Heaven compared to life in a shack, hell in ways they don’t know about) that they really don't care if the person they are with is a corpse.

Here I don't see that as much. The worship of the USA is missing and what a relief! This country has a lot to be proud of. They have a religion that may have even "got it right" better then we have in US and Europe. I am also sick of the worship of the overseas worker that is found in Phils. What a dumb idea for the head of a country to encourage all best and brightest to go away…especially at a time when outsourcing can make the Phils stronger in a lot of ways if they play that game 110% now.

I am on the verge of middle age so it’s not as easy to find the GF experience here as it was on the other 4 visits I did here, all of which were in my late 20s and early/mid 30s. I've been with 4 girls here. 2 of the 4 were very good in bed but it was not a true GF "I like it too" experience. I hate if girls are faking it, and I'm damn good at knowing at least to some extent. One of those was at a message place, so that’s to be expected. She certainly did her job well. No complaints about that.

But the 2 that stepped out of there "job" while with me, wow, they had passion that is just not the same as Phil girls. I think they are more seductive. They are in less of a rush, which I like. Most, not all, girls in the Phils have that Latin passion which says "let's fuck like jack-hammers" quick, quick. But the 2 here that were into it...wow, really slow and seductive sex that went on and on and on. Nothing wrong with the “faster, quicker, harder”, but for me I like it slow and very long building up to a bigger bang.

I also learned, after 4 other trips to LOS, that beer bars may be better than dance bars if you’re looking for what I mention above. A lot of the girls dancing that are new speak NO English. For me that's a turn-off.

My theory has always been if you want to be with someone who you pay but who actually enjoys it because you enjoy if they do...well it should not be someone in the biz for too long.

So the beer bars...they have to talk! The first of the 2 that were true GF experiences (and who I only did on one night) spoke zero English and I was her first white guy. But, she had been fucking for money with Thai guys previously. What a great attitude and just so FUN.

Second girl was one of the best fucks I've had in 2 years. Been with her 2 nights, but now I'm off for another location. She spoke very, very little but was a beer bar girl from Nana (3 weeks) and soi one (3 months), so had to learn Eng fast. She had a real job in a retail store prior…nice to be with someone that’s finished high school and knows things like “Africa is a continent, not a country”.

She was going to come with me down south to beaches, but it came out on the second night with her (which was free, although I gave her my dress shirt she’d worn to sleep the night prior) that a dude from Germany sent her 1000 euro, emails and calls her every day, and claims he’s coming for her and will be getting her a visa. Chump.

She quit her bar the second night I went with her…most or entirely because she had 1000 euro given to her 2 weeks prior by the German guys friend who delivered it to her in person, wrapped up, for her to open in front of all her co-workers at the bar… so she was actually no longer a bar girl my second night with her (she went AWOL).

He was with her ONE night. He then paid her like 100 Euro for that, had her drive to the airport with her and thinks he knows her because of all this and 2 weeks of emails and phone chats even though her English is almost nothing at this point. But, I don’t blame her for being afraid to go to a southern beach with me. She’s afraid he’ll dump the whole idea, and seems he is a decent catch (sucker might be a better word although she’s not the type to fuck him over in a nasty way…she BELIEVES 2 people can meet this way), as she says he treats her well and is in his 30s (she’s 22).

Guess that's part 1. Not sure what thread to put this/these in, but will do a part two from next destination if the action and the response from anyone warrants it.

wander Luster: Your post was a nostalgic stroll down memory lane for me, you have captured the essence of the Thai experience, my acessment has always been the best sexual partners in the world is a Thai woman (or two), they simply do do have the reservations sexually that Phils (or western women) do. They are also very nationalistic as you seem to have figured out and THAT is the problem.

You will learn as time goes by that it is an "us vs, them" the "them" being you or any other non Thai. You say the average bunny cant speak very much english, that is part of it,l they dont see any need to, other than to get by or get at your wallet. I learned to speak Thai fairly well and always played dumb, interesting to hear what they really say about you when you can understand them.

Bangkok was a place I always went for a slice of the fast life. Hard to compare it with Angeles or Manila, it is so different. Try to spend some time in the provinces, I would suggest Chaingmai (the train trip is facinating) or hop on a plane and head south to Phuket, my old home and see what they did with the reconstruction. Pattaya is okay but almost a mini Bangkok.

Also wait a bit longer for comparisons between Thai and Phil ladies, you will see what Im talking about, NEVER TRUST A THAI. Even the Educated ones.

Looking forward to part 2

Good Luck

Spamhog

[QUOTE=Wander Luster]Been a long time since I did any kind of real “report”. This one really belongs somewhere in both the Thai boards and here.

Have spent 12 of last 28 months in Cebu. ALL other months in USA.

For 3 weeks I've escaped to LOS and found that the ol' "boring" discussion of thai compared to Phil woman is actually NOT boring and is interesting.

They are truly a different breed. And their backyards are very different places.

True, in the Phils I'm JUST in cebu, having never stepped foot in a bar in Manila or AC. Therefor, Cebu is a puddle and as I write here from Bangkok, well it is certainly an ocean.

Prices: The costs are about 2,150 B here ST and in Cebu it’s about the same price for most places. The dollar is about 1::35 here and 1::50 in Cebu. I discuss performance and experience below, but the sheer amount of choice here makes the deal much better then the numbers sound. On some nights in Cebu it’s a lot of work to find someone that’s an 8+ or 9. Here it should be do-able any night at Nana or Soi Cowboy. You can cherry pick easier (no pun intended). And to me, Cherry picking is what sets a good monger apart from a great one. Only problem is that the beers and especially the ladies drinks really add up here. I think they are a good ½ or even 2X more here. If in Manila is prob more similar for all prices. In AC, Bangkok must be easy 2X more for everything monger related.

I've stayed at a couple places here. And I did a lot of research. I want too give a huge thumbs up to "Drop Inn" on Soi 30 Suk. It’s only 1-2 years old and rocks for the money. This place is about 23 USD, within a long stone’s throw (5 minute walk) of Soi Cowboy and a quick hop on the skytrain to Nana. It's a 3 star hotel with a lot of class, FREE wireless and land-line access, etc.

After boning countless women in Cebu, LOS is such a massive breath of fresh air. And the biggest difference I see here is one that others don't bring up as much. I think IF you are the type that girls can feel that special GF feeling for, this is in some ways better. That is harder to find here! In Cebu and the Phils in general all the girls want a damn ticket to the USA and it is on there mind 24/7. They are so into the heaven that is the US (Heaven compared to life in a shack, hell in ways they don’t know about) that they really don't care if the person they are with is a corpse.

Here I don't see that as much. The worship of the USA is missing and what a relief! This country has a lot to be proud of. They have a religion that may have even "got it right" better then we have in US and Europe. I am also sick of the worship of the overseas worker that is found in Phils. What a dumb idea for the head of a country to encourage all best and brightest to go away…especially at a time when outsourcing can make the Phils stronger in a lot of ways if they play that game 110% now.

I am on the verge of middle age so it’s not as easy to find the GF experience here as it was on the other 4 visits I did here, all of which were in my late 20s and early/mid 30s. I've been with 4 girls here. 2 of the 4 were very good in bed but it was not a true GF "I like it too" experience. I hate if girls are faking it, and I'm damn good at knowing at least to some extent. One of those was at a message place, so that’s to be expected. She certainly did her job well. No complaints about that.

But the 2 that stepped out of there "job" while with me, wow, they had passion that is just not the same as Phil girls. I think they are more seductive. They are in less of a rush, which I like. Most, not all, girls in the Phils have that Latin passion which says "let's fuck like jack-hammers" quick, quick. But the 2 here that were into it...wow, really slow and seductive sex that went on and on and on. Nothing wrong with the “faster, quicker, harder”, but for me I like it slow and very long building up to a bigger bang.

I also learned, after 4 other trips to LOS, that beer bars may be better than dance bars if you’re looking for what I mention above. A lot of the girls dancing that are new speak NO English. For me that's a turn-off.

My theory has always been if you want to be with someone who you pay but who actually enjoys it because you enjoy if they do...well it should not be someone in the biz for too long.

So the beer bars...they have to talk! The first of the 2 that were true GF experiences (and who I only did on one night) spoke zero English and I was her first white guy. But, she had been fucking for money with Thai guys previously. What a great attitude and just so FUN.

Second girl was one of the best fucks I've had in 2 years. Been with her 2 nights, but now I'm off for another location. She spoke very, very little but was a beer bar girl from Nana (3 weeks) and soi one (3 months), so had to learn Eng fast. She had a real job in a retail store prior…nice to be with someone that’s finished high school and knows things like “Africa is a continent, not a country”.

She was going to come with me down south to beaches, but it came out on the second night with her (which was free, although I gave her my dress shirt she’d worn to sleep the night prior) that a dude from Germany sent her 1000 euro, emails and calls her every day, and claims he’s coming for her and will be getting her a visa. Chump.

She quit her bar the second night I went with her…most or entirely because she had 1000 euro given to her 2 weeks prior by the German guys friend who delivered it to her in person, wrapped up, for her to open in front of all her co-workers at the bar… so she was actually no longer a bar girl my second night with her (she went AWOL).

He was with her ONE night. He then paid her like 100 Euro for that, had her drive to the airport with her and thinks he knows her because of all this and 2 weeks of emails and phone chats even though her English is almost nothing at this point. But, I don’t blame her for being afraid to go to a southern beach with me. She’s afraid he’ll dump the whole idea, and seems he is a decent catch (sucker might be a better word although she’s not the type to fuck him over in a nasty way…she BELIEVES 2 people can meet this way), as she says he treats her well and is in his 30s (she’s 22).

Guess that's part 1. Not sure what thread to put this/these in, but will do a part two from next destination if the action and the response from anyone warrants it.[/QUOTE]It's nice to get a comparison of the PI girls to the LOS girls. It's true what you say about the PI girls, you never know if they want to be with you because they simply hate the PI and/or Pinoys and want to get to the promised land or because they truly love you. My guess is, it's not the latter.

Guinness

Does anyone know if there are boat connections from the Pilippines to the near Malaysia or Indonesia?

I mean inexpensive options like 4-20 dollar connections of Malaysia/Singapore to Indonesia.

If there are, do the ports have visa on arrival?

[QUOTE=King Dong]Does anyone know if there are boat connections from the Pilippines to the near Malaysia or Indonesia?

I mean inexpensive options like 4-20 dollar connections of Malaysia/Singapore to Indonesia.

If there are, do the ports have visa on arrival?[/QUOTE]

You can get to (Sabah) Malaysia or Borneo from the Philippines via the infamous "backdoor" You would have to go to Zamboanga and get ferry service to tawi-Tawi hence to Malayasia/ Indonesia, only problem is that place is a "no mans land" over run with Pirates, smugglers and Moro Rebels, prime Abu Sayeef Territory.

You might get a ride on a freighter leaving Davao for Manado Indonesia near Sulawesei, I been to those places and beleive me you dont want to be there.


Get a plane

Good luck

Spamhog

[QUOTE=Spam Hog]You can get to (Sabah) Malaysia or Borneo from the Philippines via the infamous "backdoor" You would have to go to Zamboanga and get ferry service to tawi-Tawi hence to Malayasia/ Indonesia, only problem is that place is a "no mans land" over run with Pirates, smugglers and Moro Rebels, prime Abu Sayeef Territory.

You might get a ride on a freighter leaving Davao for Manado Indonesia near Sulawesei, I been to those places and beleive me you dont want to be there.
[/QUOTE]Outsch, reading that hurts. The activitys writen about in the following wikipedia entry really sound bad:

[url]http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Sajaf[/url]

If you talk about the northeast of Malaysia and Sulawesi. I find it quite difficult to find good information about that area. I just loved Java and it s people, I also had very nice expiriences in sumatra, although i have been nearly beaten to death in a small village there, and i somehow want to get to know the mentioned area of malaysia and sulawesi aswell.

But I don't really have a wish for a violent death. So after your post I won't try it without a lot of reading beforehand or simply not at all.

Gentlemen,

Just a quick note.

On ,my trip a month ago, I had the pleasure of traveling by ferry from Cebu to Manila. I enjoyed it. If you can spare the time (about 24 hrs), it's a very relaxing trip.

I made my reservation at an office in the mall. Apparently, the best accomodations you can reserve there is a "cabin". Don't think cruise ship here, more like WW II liberty ship. The cabin had four bunks, two per side, none of which were large enough for me (6 ft, 220lbs). Plus the "head" would have scared most submariners.

So I went to check about upgrades. No sweat, got a clean, comfortable room with carpets, two twin beds, TV, good AC and a stocked refer. 2,700 p. The first cabin was 1800. Spend the money. Simple buffet meals were included.

Didn't see much in terms of available ladies, but then we departed Cebu at about 9:00 PM. By the time I got settled into my second room, crashing in the AC sounded the best. There was a kariokee (sorry spell) bar that seemed to have a little action, for locals.

The views from deck during the following day were very nice.


Later, FD.

PS: Really enjoyed Bohol (actually Panglao Island) as well. Great diving. Alona Beach is where you want to stay. Will be going back.

Thanks FD,

I thought about doing this. It's really reasonable since you save the price of one night in a hotel. Were you already with someone? Hmmm, I can imagine going down to steerage and trying to find someone who wanted to see what the suites looked like!

What do you mean about the 1800? Is that for one bunk or for the whole cabin with four bunks?

X



[QUOTE=Firedick]

The cabin had four bunks, two per side, none of which were large enough for me (6 ft, 220lbs). Plus the "head" would have scared most submariners. .[/QUOTE]

Hey X,

That was kind of nebulous. I had insisted on a private cabin (security reasons, dive gear) and was qouted the 1800 p. But upon arrival I was told that the aircon in the area of the ferry that had unoccupied cabins, was not working well, so I would be sharing space. Vetoed that and took the "warm" cabin. Then changed my mind again and went for the upgrade. So I'm not sure if they were accommodating me since they had the space or if the 1800 was for the whole cabin. On my upgraded ticket for the suite, there was a stamp that said: "good for one px only". Maybe an additional fee for other px.
Hope this helps.

FD

PS: I gotta say that the ferry staff went out of their way to make me happy. A word of warning: put on a smile and a "patience hat" when you get to the terminal. Absolute zoo with the usual porter attitudes at both ends.

Ok, first some generalizations:

- Asian women tend to have small breasts (except for FF's findings which skew the curve in a lovely way...but he's in a class by himself).

- Pinay, IMO, more often wear a B to C cup size than their other, Asian counterparts, though still not too frequently.

- All women like to 'feel good' about their breast size and be comfortable with their appearance.

That being said, am I just really unlucky? Every pinay I've dated, those with attractive bodies and apparently nice-sized fun bags, wears a padded bra to 'create something from nothing.' Underneath what looks like a solid B cup is an A waiting to be discovered.

Now to each his own but I like some decent sized titties to play with...and I don't like being fooled into thinking that's what's on the menu.

Invariably during dates, foreplay and general grab-ass sessions, she discovers the size of my manhood well before I see her naked. Now I do know a padded bra when I feel one but my curiosity presses forth regardless of what I 'think' I'm going to find.

I don't want my eyes to deceive me or, better said, I want what my eyes see to be the real thing.

So the question to all pinay-loving bro's:

In your experience, if a pinay looks like she's packing some B cups, do you generally find a B cup? At least an A cup with a bullet?

I ask because I'm going to meet a very nice woman in Davao next year and she's really looking good all over: good upbringing, decent education, hard working, good attitude, not greedy, etc,, etc., and a very nice set of susus(SP).

We've been chatting for almost a year now and we ask each other about anything. She swears she's a 34 B but I see what surely looks like a padded, if not 'lift-n-squish', bra under her neat, attractive appearance.

She's in good physical shape and has no kids so I don't expect her 33 y.o. figure to have but some slight gravity affect by now. And this could turn into a long-term thing if all goes well. That's the hope anyway.

And lastly, the more I write here the more I think this is so unimportant in the big picture. But, ya know, I just don't want to meet her, end up in the sack only to find she's wearing some 'Lee Strap-On Boobs' (for those who remember the finger nail commercials from days gone by). I'll live if she is, just not as happily.

I appreciate any input offered.

Thanks.

Mr. P.

Here in the states I use a verizon broadband card to access the internet anywhere.

I will be going back to the PI soon and was wondering if any of the cel providers have this service there yet.

Also, since I will spending time in the provences, does this service work there? This would be great since it will get me better access when I'm not in a hotel.

Thanks for your help!

i am beginning to think hard what is the best way to get protected ourselve for taking gals out of the bar. she can report that she being raped the next day. what can you do?

its still good to go through a mamasan so she can be a witness in case things go bad.

who wants to chime in here and give the correct answer?i surely do not have any safeguards built in here.

i guess i will take first stab at the question,and i am also quite sure the legal braintrust here will also give there words of wisdom here in reference to there views on this matter.

i would tell anyone take your chances and always be nice polite and respectful of the gal and others.please remember the gal was drunk as were the 4 guys in the case.keep your self straight and remember how many beers and shots does it take to get a 80-100lb gal drunk.not very many so why go there.maybe get a hotel room and do not try and get some ass in a back alley or car,van.use your head for something other than a hat rack.

i have seen many drunken heeps of shit here that should have been in jail for there actions and never hit the place.so the answer is take a chance and be nice and respectful and you should be ok.remember all the gals here want to find a guy that will take them out of this god forsaken shit hole. so why would they risk there chance on a better life over a bogus [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] charge?why???this shit could happen anywhere on the planet and i am sure does on a regular basis.i know a guy that had an **** gf here and when they had a problem she came back to his business wanting to make some big trouble for him.that was ok when the police asked him about the deal he looked at her and said"sweetheart i want you to be my asawa and i will bring you to my country and be with me forever)the cops looked at her and she said forget about my complaint and i will stay here now with my husband.that called fast thinking on your feet and beating the birdbrain all in one motion.she was 2 months before her 18th birthday and yes they are still a couple as far as i know.again why put yourself in anykind of a legal jackpot here.you are not at home.

play safer,be nice.

b.b...

[quote=thepest1998]i am beginning to think hard what is the best way to get protected ourselve for taking gals out of the bar. she can report that she being raped the next day. what can you do?

its still good to go through a mamasan so she can be a witness in case things go bad.[/quote]seriously, there are ways to protect oneself, barfining or otherwise. once again, i dont know all the in and outs of the case in question, from what i hear on tv and read in the newspapers everyone on both sides of the equasion are lying, but i would imagine that something occured (if not [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]) tooo [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] her off, either somebody didn't pay up or perhaps they made fun of her or muscled her around a bit or a combination of such practise, young gi's (having been one) do dumb shit like that. anyhow here goes.

most guys who get their ass in a jam in the pi (and other asian countries like thailand etc.) do so by being absolutely stupid, they make an issue out of 200 to 500 pesos which is what???? 10 bucks...chump change. i know principal of the thing, so you want to go to the wall over 10 bucks for some shopworn 'ho? moral of the story, pay your pussy debts and make sure you work out the price in front of mama san before you bring her ass outside. tell her up front what you are willing to pay and the services you expect, then live up to your part of the bargain, if she doesn't live up to hers, pay her what you agree and get her out of the room, walk her downstairs and let the bell man/guard see you (this is why i urge all to be generous with these guys, tip once in awhile or bring em some food). if you must have a pound of flesh then tell her you will inform mama san asap of her lousy service & perhaps your buddies etc. but do this tactfully, not yelling or screaming. under no circumstances do you get violent, physical, insult her/the country etc. chalk it up to experience.

you have to be more careful with "freelancers", a word to the wise, the younger they appear or say they are (18) the more likely they are **** make 'em show proof of id if you have any doubts.

this needs to be adddressed too, most foreigners i know of who have been in the shit with udnerage girls etc almost to a man follow this track.

charlie the retired guy decides to live in the pi for a few months and hires the youngest prettiest maid he can find, a few weeks later said "catulong" is threatening to tell the police he grabbed her budding boobies and felt her skinny ass and offered money for sex...hardest thing in the world to prove or disprove, the laundress now wants p25,000 or she yelps to the police. now the shit really starts, even if the guy is innocent he still gotta pay a lawyer and pay off the cops etc etc to make things go away. if he actually did the deed double or triple the pay off.

this is one reason i do not allow mrs spamhog to hire live in helpers, maids etc, all of them must be older women and they go home when my wife isn't around...period.

moral of the story, do not hire young pretty girls for domestic service.

use common sense, if some bimbo seems arguementative, complains etc, stop things right there, take her back or give her cab fare and end it before it gets worse.

regards

spamhog

SH,

I have a hard time beleaving the forum has come to this HOW DO I ACT AND SAFEGUARD MYSELF WITH A LADY.I know you give out great info and your MRS is a great person also.Why would a guy want to know how to keep himself from harms way with a gal?This is one case,and is not yet a done deal so lets see.

Like I said before most people here think the gals are a piece of trash that they can use any whitch way they want.Not true,they are people and treat them like you would a pay for pussy deal at home.They are not like the gals at home watching the clock,looking to get streetside to pay a pimp,OR SHOVE A POINT IN THERE ARM FOR THE NEXT FIX! they are trying to get money to send back home in most cases.Do the gals lie,steal,do whatever they can for money?the answer is yes,some do but not all.

This situation is not only with bargals,its the nature of the beast for most here.You have to think and stay sharp and see the shit starting before it gets there.On my second day in CEBU, I had a taxi driver befrend me or so he thought.He wanted me to go all over the city sightseeing.He shows up in a taxi with another driver and wants me to pay him plus the cab for a rest and relaxing day in the aircon vehicle.Well,that shit did not happen! After they dropped me off at the travel agent they left and after I did the deal with the agent I got into another taxi.This asshole went to the first light and wanted to take me back to my hotel.He was told the name of the hotel and said he knew the place but was heading in the wrong direction.I asked him if he was gonna turn right to go back and he said NO I GO LEFT THIS WAY.I knew the shit was on and so I sat back with my gal and enjoyed the ride.Up the hillside and down,and yes I saw places I had never seen in the great city of CEBU.

After the 20 minute ride and all the sights my gal asked him if he could find my hotel,he said ok.Now please remember the first ride took all of 5 minuted with traffic from my hotel and this guy was closing in on 30 minutes to get me back to the same place.My lady did the talking when we got to the hotel,he said the meter was 145-p and he got the 45-p that it cost for the original trip.He was not happy but drove away knowing he fucked the wrong gal.

GENTLEMEN,AGAIN USE YOUR HEAD, AND LOOK,LISTEN, AND THINK, AND YOU WILL DO OK WHEREVER YOU GO.

B.B...

gentlemen:

it is true that the tale is not yet told, but guys should not hit the panic button coz of this case. it never hurts to remind people the nature of the beast, there are lots of little scammers out there. i like to think that most guys come here looking for advise, pointers and in telling our little rebald tales one learns a lesson (i often do). i hope that whatever info i provide might save some poor hump a lot of grief, i hate seeing the brethern whatever country they hail from getting jammed!!!

now, sports fans lets examine some statistics:

how many bar girls, ktv hostesses, massage girls and licensed gro's are there in the pi??? add in angeles, manila, cebu, cdo, davao, i probably left out a lot of places but agree/disagree those have the highest concentration of "pros". so outta all those "pros" how many get barfined each night? by filipinos/foreigners/japanese/koreans the world...okay got to be in the thousands, now how many of those bar fined go running to the cops and cry "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]"? now go back since the inception of this 4 gi's and the vicitm, been going on for what? almost two years? how many bar fines by how many guys on how many girls in two years? how many reports of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]? actual, pretended or otherwise? the odds are against it that anyone will be vicitm of a set up or a "false calm"

bottom line, my point is that most guys who get in trouble and end up facing a deportment order or a jail cell probably deserved it coz they slapped some kitty around coz she didn;t suck a cock good enough, and if such is the case i have absolutely no mercy for somebody who wants to beat on women, no reason for it.

weigh all of this against some of the scams people use in this country, some that have been reported here. how about the one with the girl in your room who wants to call her freind over to watch tv or treat you to a double team?
the "friend" shows up & asks to take a shower or use the cr whatever and next thing you know a knock at the door is two "cops" or pimps pretending to be cops and the girl is **** and naked in your room.

they did that number in cebu not long ago, lapu lapu city to be exact.

recently i saw a guy on the cebu board who posted about being approached in the mall by two "massage" girls, (i thought that old scam went out with the charleston). all these girls do is give a massage and one rubs your back while the other rubs your wallet. if you take only one girl and bring her to your room later you only get a half assed massage, for which she demands like p1000 or some shit. now i'm man enough to admidt i fell victim to this one and i reported it, and a discription of the girl (she had really big tits) which is what got me all stupid it was awhile ago and i felt like a fool but goes to show even experienced mongers do stupid things when they get around great looking pussy. btw i gave her p200 and walked her down and set her ass in a cab when she started making noises like police/barangay captain i want p1000 etc.

so one must use caution and common sense and we continually need reminders of what can happen

regards

spamhog

This from the national news which is reporting the summit is moved to january of 07 due to impending typhoons.

Might be a good time to see if you can get room at a bargain.



Spamhog

[quote=spam hog]gentlemen:

it is true that the tale is not yet told, but guys should not hit the panic button coz of this case. it never hurts to remind people the nature of the beast, there are lots of little scammers out there. i like to think that most guys come here looking for advise, pointers and in telling our little rebald tales one learns a lesson (i often do). i hope that whatever info i provide might save some poor hump a lot of grief, i hate seeing the brethern whatever country they hail from getting jammed!!!

now, sports fans lets examine some statistics:

how many bar girls, ktv hostesses, massage girls and licensed gro's are there in the pi??? add in angeles, manila, cebu, cdo, davao, i probably left out a lot of places but agree/disagree those have the highest concentration of "pros". so outta all those "pros" how many get barfined each night? by filipinos/foreigners/japanese/koreans the world...okay got to be in the thousands, now how many of those bar fined go running to the cops and cry "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]"? now go back since the inception of this 4 gi's and the vicitm, been going on for what? almost two years? how many bar fines by how many guys on how many girls in two years? how many reports of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]? actual, pretended or otherwise? the odds are against it that anyone will be vicitm of a set up or a "false calm"

bottom line, my point is that most guys who get in trouble and end up facing a deportment order or a jail cell probably deserved it coz they slapped some kitty around coz she didn;t suck a cock good enough, and if such is the case i have absolutely no mercy for somebody who wants to beat on women, no reason for it.

weigh all of this against some of the scams people use in this country, some that have been reported here. how about the one with the girl in your room who wants to call her freind over to watch tv or treat you to a double team?
the "friend" shows up & asks to take a shower or use the cr whatever and next thing you know a knock at the door is two "cops" or pimps pretending to be cops and the girl is **** and naked in your room.

they did that number in cebu not long ago, lapu lapu city to be exact.

recently i saw a guy on the cebu board who posted about being approached in the mall by two "massage" girls, (i thought that old scam went out with the charleston). all these girls do is give a massage and one rubs your back while the other rubs your wallet. if you take only one girl and bring her to your room later you only get a half assed massage, for which she demands like p1000 or some shit. now i'm man enough to admidt i fell victim to this one and i reported it, and a discription of the girl (she had really big tits) which is what got me all stupid it was awhile ago and i felt like a fool but goes to show even experienced mongers do stupid things when they get around great looking pussy. btw i gave her p200 and walked her down and set her ass in a cab when she started making noises like police/barangay captain i want p1000 etc.

so one must use caution and common sense and we continually need reminders of what can happen

regards

spamhog[/quote]

who could say anything more,you said it all and you are right.guys this is a good report from a stand up guy just read the report and do what you want from here.

keep them straight sh,

b.b...

A very close friend of mine wants to bring his Philippine girlfriend to Colombia, however we have no idea how to go about doing this.

Since there are many seasoned travelers here. I thought perhaps someone here could give us an idea of what steps to take, costs etc.

Any serious input would be much appreciated.

Peter Solano
Barranquilla, Colombia,South America.

[QUOTE=Peter Solano]A very close friend of mine wants to bring his Philippine girlfriend to Colombia, however we have no idea how to go about doing this.

Since there are many seasoned travelers here. I thought perhaps someone here could give us an idea of what steps to take, costs etc.

Any serious input would be much appreciated.

Peter Solano
Barranquilla, Colombia,South America.[/QUOTE]As everybody here knows,I am a Travel Agent in real life so Here goes,There is no Columbian Consulate in the Philippines,Just an an Honorary Consulate under Stella Araneta,A Columbian married to one of the rich Araneta Clan.But they might be able to provide basic Information on a Columbian Visa for her. Consulate of Columbia 63-2-9113101 18/F Aurora Tower,Araneta Center Quezon City.Hope this helps

Thanks that is a start, could you give us an idea what a plane ticket would cost and what the itinerary would be? Peter.[QUOTE=Cebu Local]As everybody here knows,I am a Travel Agent in real life so Here goes,There is no Columbian Consulate in the Philippines,Just an an Honorary Consulate under Stella Araneta,A Columbian married to one of the rich Araneta Clan.But they might be able to provide basic Information on a Columbian Visa for her. Consulate of Columbia 63-2-9113101 18/F Aurora Tower,Araneta Center Quezon City.Hope this helps[/QUOTE]

You could use Continental Airlines,Manila-LA-Houston- Columbia,But She will need a US transit Visa.So If it looks like She cannot get one,You Can Try Accesing Latin America using other Carriers,Like MAS go Manila-KL-Buenos Aires-connect to Columbia.Good luck.Budget about 1,200-1,400 Dollars since this is a longer way Cheers

If US visa is difficult take Iberia and go to Mexico City and then fly to Columbia.

Thanks guys, big help. I can see the road is long and difficult.Lets hope she is really serious about coming here and is willing to go through all this. Peter.

Cebu Local,
How difficult is it for a Native to obtain an International Passport?

What would she require, and how much would it cost?

Where would she apply for one? This girl is in Zamboanga city. Thanks again, Peter.

[QUOTE=Peter Solano]Cebu Local,
How difficult is it for a Native to obtain an International Passport?

What would she require, and how much would it cost?

Where would she apply for one? This girl is in Zamboanga city. Thanks again, Peter.[/QUOTE]If her papers like Birth certificate are in order very easy 3-5 Days,A Philippine Passport is about 800-1000 pesos depending if you want it rush or not,She can pick up an Application form in the Department of Foriegn Affairs Regional Office in Zamboanga City.

[QUOTE=Cebu Local]If her papers like Birth certificate are in order very easy 3-5 Days,A Philippine Passport is about 800-1000 pesos depending if you want it rush or not,She can pick up an Application form in the Department of Foriegn Affairs Regional Office in Zamboanga City.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, how much is $1.000 Pesos in US$ Dollars?

$1 US=Approx 50 pesos
Exact rate could be between 49 to 51 depending on the foreign exchange fluctuation.

[QUOTE=Peter Solano]Thank you, how much is $1.000 Pesos in US$ Dollars?[/QUOTE]
It's about $20 USD give or take.

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In Philippines it takes a minimal of two weeks to get a Passport. The girl needs a birth certificate and also Baptismal certificate and a permanent address so that the police can verify. Ofcourse if she knows some influencial person can be done faster.

[QUOTE=Peter Solano]Cebu Local,
How difficult is it for a Native to obtain an International Passport?

What would she require, and how much would it cost?

Where would she apply for one? This girl is in Zamboanga city. Thanks again, Peter.[/QUOTE]

The details on what she must do to get a passport can be found here

[url]http://www.gov.ph/faqs/passport.asp[/url]

Basically, if she is in Manila, she needs to appear at the Department of Foreign Affairs main office at Roxas Blvd corner Libertad, Pasay City and present

(a) A completed passport application form (attached)
(b) Her official birth certificate
(c) Three copies of a passport photo
(d) A P500 fee

The process is similar in other areas. Just read the instructions. It will probably take them a few weeks to prepare a passport.

Thanks again for all your help. One last question, is $1.000 Pesos a lot of money in Philippines?

[QUOTE=Peter Solano]Thanks again for all your help. One last question, is $1.000 Pesos a lot of money in Philippines?[/QUOTE]

Others may be better-informed than me, but here's what I think I know...

A girl in Manila area (e.g. Ste Mesa) may pay 1000 PHP/month to live in a dormitory with 3-4 girls/room. I'm not sure if that includes food. Price may be higher in more central locations.

A girl working in a cantina/restaurant may earn 2000 PHP/month working full time and not have to pay any taxes (or get any benefits).

A student can get a meal in a cantina/restaurant for about 25 PHP. A jeepney ride costs about 6 to 7.5 PHP/person. Internet access can be had in little out-of-the-way shops for only 15 PHP/hour; in the big airconditioned malls, it will cost about 60 PHP/hour.

A girl working in a shop at a mall may earn 2000-3000 PHP/month working full time, but she'll probably lose her job within 6 months (because the employer won't want to start paying benefits and would just prefer to hire someone else).

A freelance girl working in LA Cafe (central Manila) will earn about 1000 PHP if a monger takes her out. That fee will certainly cover short-time and may occasionally cover long-time (overnight) services.

So, yes... I would say that 500-1000 PHP is a "a lot of money" to most girls in the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Yankee 617]Others may be better-informed than me, but here's what I think I know...

A girl in Manila area (e.g. Ste Mesa) may pay 1000 PHP/month to live in a dormitory with 3-4 girls/room. I'm not sure if that includes food. Price may be higher in more central locations.

A girl working in a cantina/restaurant may earn 2000 PHP/month working full time and not have to pay any taxes (or get any benefits).

A student can get a meal in a cantina/restaurant for about 25 PHP. A jeepney ride costs about 6 to 7.5 PHP/person. Internet access can be had in little out-of-the-way shops for only 15 PHP/hour; in the big airconditioned malls, it will cost about 60 PHP/hour.

A girl working in a shop at a mall may earn 2000-3000 PHP/month working full time, but she'll probably lose her job within 6 months (because the employer won't want to start paying benefits and would just prefer to hire someone else).

A freelance girl working in LA Cafe (central Manila) will earn about 1000 PHP if a monger takes her out. That fee will certainly cover short-time and may occasionally cover long-time (overnight) services.

So, yes... I would say that 500-1000 PHP is a "a lot of money" to most girls in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]
Thanks a lot Yankee 617, your report clearly shows true knowledge of the area. I guess now we will just have to wait, as the ball is on her court.

You here lots of gals telling about there foreign bf sending 50,000 a month support thats bullshit in most cases.And if the guy is that stupid,yes stupid to send his little brown princess that much he is verry fucked up.The gals here tell each other about big money and they don't know the first thing about what big money is.

You can send 10,000 a month to most gals here and they can make it work ok.The problem is when they start lending the cash to the RELATHIEVES and they get on the ATM.Thats when you could send all you make a week and they would ask for more. Be careful what you send and what they know about your finances.

A good job in Makati might only yeald a good educated employee around 8-12 thousand -p per month so what ever the Dizzy gals spit out of there rice eating mouth you can be quite sure is BULA BULA (LIES).

The crab mentality kicks in and they all are working on trouble for each other.So never trust a statement from a gal here as the honest truth because it may be just the other way around.

B.B...

[QUOTE=Bill Buxton]You here lots of gals telling about there foreign bf sending 50,000 a month support thats bullshit in most cases.And if the guy is that stupid,yes stupid to send his little brown princess that much he is verry fucked up.The gals here tell each other about big money and they don't know the first thing about what big money is.

You can send 10,000 a month to most gals here and they can make it work ok.The problem is when they start lending the cash to the RELATHIEVES and they get on the ATM.Thats when you could send all you make a week and they would ask for more. Be careful what you send and what they know about your finances.

A good job in Makati might only yeald a good educated employee around 8-12 thousand -p per month so what ever the Dizzy gals spit out of there rice eating mouth you can be quite sure is BULA BULA (LIES).

The crab mentality kicks in and they all are working on trouble for each other.So never trust a statement from a gal here as the honest truth because it may be just the other way around.

B.B...[/QUOTE]
You brought up a pretty good point. Another friend of mine got taken for US$120 for a web cam, from a Filipina girl.

This warning could very well be applied for every Country in the world, Colombia, Russia, Cuba, but I know it is a big issue in the Philippines. A lot of Internet girls looking for a sucker to wire them money. Peter.

[QUOTE=Bill Buxton]You here lots of gals telling about there foreign bf sending 50,000 a month support thats bullshit in most cases.And if the guy is that stupid,yes stupid to send his little brown princess that much he is verry fucked up.The gals here tell each other about big money and they don't know the first thing about what big money is.

You can send 10,000 a month to most gals here and they can make it work ok.The problem is when they start lending the cash to the RELATHIEVES and they get on the ATM.Thats when you could send all you make a week and they would ask for more. Be careful what you send and what they know about your finances.

A good job in Makati might only yeald a good educated employee around 8-12 thousand -p per month so what ever the Dizzy gals spit out of there rice eating mouth you can be quite sure is BULA BULA (LIES).

The crab mentality kicks in and they all are working on trouble for each other.So never trust a statement from a gal here as the honest truth because it may be just the other way around.

B.B...[/QUOTE]

Do not send money to Internet 'strangers'. Crazy.
Even sending money to girls once you know them is also very tricky.
Money disappearing is very common even when offshore Filipinos send money to their own family (the risks are far greater when sending money to an Internet 'stranger').
I met a very nice girl who worked in Japan and sent her money on loan to her relatives. She told me that it is now all gone and she will never get it back. She said all her work in Japan was wasted. Husbands and relatives who receive money from their wives overseas usually spend it on San Miguels and flesh. Even if the recipient is honest, there are sharks surrounding them.
Also remember, most girls on Internet have a man in the shadows who is on the food chain! Same with most bar girls. These guys are drawn to girls receiving foreign money like flies to a poo.

I will caution that again I am going to cross post some of this in the Bangkok forum.
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I did not do much hobbying after all while in LOS, but I was there for about 18 days....this was due to having to handle work problems more then having vaca time and some of the work problems meant I want to come back in 6 months when my finances are 4X what they were.

Someone mentioned that Filipinos are more reserved than thais because they are catholic. There is MAYBE something to that, but the best comparison is to Catholics in Latin America. Same idea. Came from what may have been "Animist" religion and then the Spanish forced Catholicism on them. So you have a mix. In that mix for the girls in the PHILS are famous the world over for wanting to please their man. Just spend 20 hours on the dating sites as I have and you'll see that. I don't really know how much the Thai women have this huge urge to please there man.

But the Thai girls know the concept FUN ...no question about that. There was a "playfulness" I found with girls there that is not as common in the Phil’s. I only sampled 3-4 of the fruit of Thailand on this trip (another 8-15 on 3 trips 5-15 years ago). But there FUN attitude was just what I needed given my work is at a very high stress place right now.

I spent my last 10 days on phucket. My God I had no idea the place had changed so much. It looked NOTHING like when I was there about 6 years ago. Honestly, I much preferred the Patong of 6 years ago. But what you do have now is more selection. There are slews of working girls in Patong ...not tough to find your diamond. And I was able to do just that.

What a dream...I just couldn't believe she was new to the game, but she proved it. I don't like girls that are working in bars for too long. Her English was close to zero and for me that just killed the comparison to girls in the Phils. She stayed long term at my hotel, Patong Resort-- which sucks-- and then spent the entire next day with me “free”.

Was such a bummer because of 6 girls I might have met in Cebu she would be #1. And I am very picky and am very good at digging for those hard to find diamonds. But we couldn't talk! I tried to convince her she should try to model...but with no language skills...well. Of the last 20 girls I've boned in the Phils only one did I mention about modeling….but I think that is because I’ve become accustomed to Phils beauty but Thai beauty is new (refresher: this was my first time back to LOS in about 5 or 6 years). Telling a bar girl to try modeling….that’s a topic of a whole other post.

There are a LOT of average looking girls in phuket and to a lesser extent BKK. So if you are a newbie to this hobby, you must learn restraint. Promise yourself to let at least 2 girls that are attainable THAT NIGHT make you harder then you've felt in ages before you choose where to put the hardness where it belongs.

And if you follow my MO, PRETEND as if you are picking these girls up at a disco. Pretend—to yourself—that it really matters what they think of you (and also that you treat them like someone you pick-up in your own country in a disco…not anything less). The more you have to offer, the more any girl will reciprocate. Yes, money is what most want in the offer and may be 99.0% of what matters, but if they really like you and there is a chance you will get to know them then money may be 25% I look at it as if they are not much different than the girl that sleeps with a guy on the 2nd date because for whatever reason she thinks that she’ll enjoy it and that it will be a good thing for remaining a longer term prospect to him if she is really keen on staying with him.

For me, I love BKK because it is NOT Christian and I do like so much of Buddhism stands for. BKK is just a very fun city to explore if you like such things. And I don't just mean seedy exploration. But I love Cebu even more. The phils are simply cheaper in the P4P world and girls are easier to find that are looking for BF experience.

I am going to make a bigger effort to stay away from p4p because I do see too much BS here in Cebu with the way the Mama Sans treat the girls. I thought girls had full discretion about turning down a guy that wants to barfine here...at the places I like...but just from last nights girl I took out here I've seen more of what a hard sell girls get about going with ANYONE that will pay a barfine (this is dancers I'm talking about, the BARS in LOS don't make much from a barfine since it's small). That's only sometimes the case, but when I hear about a girl being roughed up by a guy from the middle east who think women in bars can be treated like dogs and the Mama San does nothing but playing mouth service to looking into it or calling the hotel, as I heard about last night ...well the whole p4p loses some luster.

My work will involve a lot of travel starting 3 months from now. When I can, Russia and it's girls are top of my list (too expensive in W. Europe I think other then the FKK clubs which I don't quite "get" yet) and then when I have the time for some adventure...back to Cambodia and maybe a first time trip to Mongolia. I LOVE tall girls and B+ pr C cups are a must.

This was not as much an inspired post...hope the next one will be.

wander luster, i for one enjoy the phils/thai comparison, i also worked in phuket for a while and found the "local" variety of "southern" girls so much beter and more refreshing than the imported issan peasant girls that primarily populate bkk bars etc. the problem is (i hate to say this) most of the issan girls are... well...stupid. they are also looked down upon by most of bbk even the local "have nots" as their guteral speech and "country ways" are very amusing to the class concious thais.

that to me is one major difference, the intelligence level, not just because filipinas speak english, but on a whole they tend to be better educated than the average thai. of course communication helps but as you pointed out thai girls are much more open about sex and sexual matters and some things need no translation. buddism recognizes no "sin" in the christian concept, there is only merit and karma, one achieves merit by doing good and karma rewards... or punishes, buddah has a sense of humor, screw over too many people and you come back as a toad or something.

can't wait to hear more, brings back a lot of memories...some not all that good...beware the thai!


spamhog

[QUOTE=Fastpiston]Do not send money to Internet 'strangers'. Crazy.
Even sending money to girls once you know them is also very tricky.
Money disappearing is very common even when offshore Filipinos send money to their own family (the risks are far greater when sending money to an Internet 'stranger').
I met a very nice girl who worked in Japan and sent her money on loan to her relatives. She told me that it is now all gone and she will never get it back. She said all her work in Japan was wasted. Husbands and relatives who receive money from their wives overseas usually spend it on San Miguels and flesh. Even if the recipient is honest, there are sharks surrounding them.
Also remember, most girls on Internet have a man in the shadows who is on the food chain! Same with most bar girls. These guys are drawn to girls receiving foreign money like flies to a poo.[/QUOTE]

gentlemen:

Trust me on this one, the girls working the internet are doing just that, working, they dont give a damn about you as much as their business. Many of these girls are supporting their families, and you are correct in some cases the "family" is her husband/BF.

You want horror stories? here are a few from the Spamhog files:

Guy who is sending his common law wife $600 as month plus "packages" from the Us every month, she was screwing a filipino neighbor and a local US expat as well, I think the expat was paying her also, "freind" of the Husband.

This bimbo was also working the internet, putting on titty shows for money.

The infamous Judy Altracha, Siren of Davao who was the queen of the internet scamsters, she amassed a fortune from "fiances" all over the world.
She owns several houses and properties all over Davao and some in Cebu. She was on CB until the kicked her off, she reappears on the chat lines every now and then one of a hundred alias'.

The Byot who bilked dozens of men out of money for his "sick" mother. Lives in Davao. This guy was very fine boned and had long hair, wouldn't know he was a guy unless you saw him in person, he was also using the photods of a Philippinnes beauty queen stolen from her web site.

One thing is common gentlemen, these scamsteresses CAN NOT EXIST WITHOUT SOME SAP SENDING THEM MONEY!!!!! You should hear how these girls talk about you and how they brag about how much they make, If some guy sends a hundred bux US they Triple or quadruple the ante.

Nuff said

Spamhog

[QUOTE=Why Me]It’s been a year since my operation for Colon Cancer which left me with a Colostomy bag attached to my belly. As a result my wife will not come near me with my bag-o-shit hanging next to my cock.

In my younger days I spent a few vacations in Manila and thought this would be a good time to go on a “business trip” to Asia. I must say I had the time of my life. Thanks to all the guys on ISG for the helpful information which allowed me to prepare on where to go, where to stay, how much to pay, etc.

With the exception of one girl who became quite hysterical when she saw my little friend hanging on my side, most of them were quite understanding and accommodating. In summary, I’d like to suggest to any monger’s who happen to have a disability and can’t get laid in their home country to hop on a plane and get their ass to the P.I.. You will be glad you did. I’ll post a more detailed report later when I have time which I hope is useful to somebody.[/QUOTE]


I have a suggestion. The Phils has tons of cute nurses. I'm sure you can find plenty of company. Tell them it will be great training for them. They can examine you and you can examine them.

Ah, just returned to the states from a 2 week vacation in the Philippines. Im suffering from major jet lag and serious depression and can think of nothing except how I am going to get back there!! Please help... I'm 37, white, single, average looking, make a good living, and now hate American girls even more...

I spent 4 nights in Angeles, 4 in Puerto Galero, 2 in Manila, and 5 in Alona Beach on Panglau Island in Bohol. It started out to be a scuba diving trip with a little Pilipina action on the side. It turned into a trip with a lot of Pilipina action and a little scuba on the side. (-;

All the girls I met in Angeles were some of the sweetest and nicest girls. Never had a single problem. Barfined 1 or 2 at a time, took them barhopping, had great fun in the bars and a great time back in the room. Tipped them very well and am still in contact with a few. Actually took a cherry girl the last night because I was so worn out and just wanted to cuddle. (ahhhh (-; ) She was a true sweetheart though. These girls are in a strange town sleeping with strange men for basically very little money, so give them a break...

Barfined a few very cute, 18/19 yo girls in Puerto Galera. 5 or 6 discos there. They were good and had nice bodies, but didn't stick around long. 2k/barfine there though. Some freelance action there too, but didn't try it. Got a few decent dives in, but got hit with the typhoon, so no more diving. Its a fun town to hang out in the bars and play pool, and I highly rocommend a massage at the castle looking place - the best I ever had (legit though). The beach isn't very good there though - rooms are pretty cheap and right on the water.

I had 2 fantastic girls in Manila that I met at the LA Cafe. That is a very cool place - all freelance. One had the best body of a girl I have ever been with! I tried to hook up with her again but never connected. The other was this 19 yo, that I spent the last 5 days with in Alona beach, that stole my heart.

I had taken this girl for the night from LA Cafe. She was very cute, spoke very good English, and was relatively intelligent, so conversation was good. She wanted to go to Alona with me really bad. So on a whim, I said ok, since there wasn't going to be any action there. I had to get her a later flight, so I bought her a ticket. I figured if she shows up, great, if not I'm only out 50 bucks - better to find out now rather than later that she is a scammer. She wasn't a pro by any means, but I also doubt that was her first time in LA. She was down in Manila from her north Luzon province for a week doing some paperwork for her travel visa she is trying to get. She wanted to make some money for the bus, her room, and to take back with her. Her story really did check out and she is back in her province now. She's trying to get to the US to live with her aunt there. She was a lot of fun, took very good care of me with the cabs and any bullshit we encountered, and never once gave me any bula-bula. She is somewhat infatuated with marrying a foreigner, so intentions are more about looking for a boyfriend. The sex was good, but not the best I've had. She definitely had a bit of a jealous streak and a temper, but I like a girl with a little spunk. The only problem was that I was not allowed more than 50 feet from her at any time!

But anyway, we had a good time, toured Bohol, and went out on the dive boats daily, and of course shopping. She took me to the airport (to make sure I was actually getting on the plane I'm sure), and she even cried when I left which was cute. I'm still in contact with her via SMS over Yahoo Messenger, and she is bored back in her province. She sends me very sweet messages a lot. She wants to know when I'm coming back, and I can think of nothing else.

My only question is what is real and what isn't? I feel like a kid coming home from Disney World trying to figure out if the Pirates of the Carribean were actually robots. (-; But seriously, she is half my age, and a world apart. I would like to see her again, but would also like to sample other Pilipinas. I'm not sure where I go at this point. I just know I am so depressed at this point and miss her a lot.

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You sound like a big tipper...scarry to most of us...

Just breath man! Chat with her, tell her the truth that it will be X months before you get back there and NO you can't send her any money for the sick hamster, and see what happens...

[QUOTE=Spivey24]She definitely had a bit of a jealous streak and a temper, but I like a girl with a little spunk. The only problem was that I was not allowed more than 50 feet from her at any time![/QUOTE]A Jealous filipina? What are the odds? LOL

Spivey24 - Enjoyed your post. I don't think you're alone in experiencing PPD (Post-Pinay Depression) syndrome. Unfortunately, there is no cure that I'm aware of other than the next trip to PI.

You asked the question "what is real and what isn't?" The answer is everything you experienced was real even though it might seem more like fantasy now that you're back home to whatever your normal reality is.

I had a similar experience on a previous trip - after hitting the bars for a while I found one particular girl that I hit it off with more than others (although some others were great also). She was about half my age (19), gorgeous & seemed thrilled to be around me - something that would never happen to me in the U.S. She would have married me in an instant. I was more cautious and once back to reality in the U.S. could think things through a bit more. Even if I was sure I wanted to get married, how practical would this be? If I brought her here to the U.S. , she would not know anyone but me & I work a lot. Filipinas areren't used to being alone & family and friends are much more important there. So I think it would be a difficult adjustment for most. We kept in touch over the Internet & phone for over a year, but I made her no promises & she ended up finding someone else & getting married. Even so she still emails me once in a while to ask how I'm doing. Btw, she never once asked for money from me so there are some girls there that aren't only interested in finding a money-ko. While some mainly want your money, I think others mostly want a way out of poverty (and maybe the bar scene) to a better life with a decent guy. As for the girl you met, keep in touch with her if you really like her. Be honest with her though - if you're not interested in getting married anytime soon, let her know that & just see how things go. If you want to sample more Filipinas, I'd suggest doing that first when you go again & although I generally believe in honesty, this would be an exception -Don't tell your girl since she'll likely be very upset that you want to be with anyone but her.

Anyway, in the meantime, just try to look forward to your next trip. I don't think there will be a shortage of great girls in the PI anytime soon.

I have one question for you - Can you give any more information on Alona Beach? I like to dive a bit & like a nice beach in general. I've considered visiting Bohol on my next trip. How was it there? Is there much to do there other than diving? I'd appreciate any advice or info. you can share.

Alona Beach on Panglao Island has a few basic restaurants and beer places.But Its strictly a bring your own type of place.You can take Day Trips to see the other Bohol attractions like Tarsiers,Loboc River Cruise and Chocolate Hils.Tagbilaran the Provincial Capital is a 30 minute Drive away from Alona Beach.Cheers

Hey Mongers,

After spending hours and sometimes even day reading and relishing your reports, I'm finally ready to take the plung. But due to my work schedule, I can only travel between Dec29 to Jan 15, and I know that P.I. is a catholic country and so the girls usually go home to spend time with their families. I would appreciate any feedback or heads up any of you PI veterans can give me about traveling at this time.

P.S. My deepest appreciation to all of you, who take your time and effort in posting here, so that novices, like me, can save alot of time, money, and hard ache.

[QUOTE=Spivey24] She sends me very sweet messages a lot. She wants to know when I'm coming back, and I can think of nothing else.

My only question is what is real and what isn't? I feel like a kid coming home from Disney World trying to figure out if the Pirates of the Carribean were actually robots. (-; But seriously, she is half my age, and a world apart. I would like to see her again, but would also like to sample other Pilipinas. I'm not sure where I go at this point. I just know I am so depressed at this point and miss her a lot.
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Dude!...You just described the Disneyland of poontang. Even Disneyland gets very old if ride the same ride everyday.

[QUOTE=Indianno]Hey Mongers,

After spending hours and sometimes even day reading and relishing your reports, I'm finally ready to take the plung. But due to my work schedule, I can only travel between Dec29 to Jan 15, and I know that P.I. is a catholic country and so the girls usually go home to spend time with their families. I would appreciate any feedback or heads up any of you PI veterans can give me about traveling at this time.

P.S. My deepest appreciation to all of you, who take your time and effort in posting here, so that novices, like me, can save alot of time, money, and hard ache.[/QUOTE]

If you are planning to strickly monger then I would hang in Manila/Makati/Ermita/Malate, or Angles however if you want to see the rest of the country well,,,just avoid Cebu from the first week of January on, the ASEAN summit is then and things go nuts a week beforehand, plus Sinulog festival starts 14th. Possible you might get a good hotel room NOW before the stuff starts and Cebu is a nice area with truckloads of available women. However, you may wish to check out Davao or Cagayan De Oro. Mongering is different in those areas not so commercialized but better luck with meeting a cutie working in the store or waitressing.

As far as the Girls "disappearing" over the holidays don't worry, still plenty of 'em around, plus if you go to the provinces (Davao/Cagayan etc. thats where a lot of the Manila/Angeles pros are from.

Good luck

Spamhog

Hi,

Can somebody tell to me, in a few words of course, how is the mongering situation in Borocay?

I already tried to search on the forum but I did not find what I look for.

Be patient with me please.

Hi Spivey, has the barfine really gone up to 2k in Sabang or is it still 1k for the bar and 1k for the girl? I'm looking forward to gettimg back there in April.

[QUOTE=Giannibella]Hi,

Can somebody tell to me, in a few words of course, how is the mongering situation in Borocay?

I already tried to search on the forum but I did not find what I look for.

Be patient with me please.[/QUOTE]

You can find reports on Boracay under the "other areas" section, I did one in June (?) and a little later you will see one by a guy called Mahklu, who has a PHD in mongering. Boracay is not really all that good for mongering, normally it is a place you take your special girl for a honeymoon or a few days alone but, as everywhere in the Phils, one can always find something. You might try Cocomangas Shooters bar or a disco called "the wave" but the locals "working" the places aren't all that great looking, you might get real lucky and score one of the dozens of Korean or Japanaese tourist girls, but a wing man is advisable as they usually show up in twos threes and fours.

Good Luck

spamhog

I am not getting any respond on my email to manila from the US is anyone else got the same problems ,I know email system in pi is very slow and the
earth quak in Taiwan is not helping .

fast eddie 48

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]I am not getting any respond on my email to manila from the US is anyone else got the same problems ,I know email system in pi is very slow and the
earth quak in Taiwan is not helping .

fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]


There is a Philippines wide problem with Yahoo, Google and many other search engines, been going on for several days, probably coz of the Taiwan situation but also everybody is on the internet trying to get into those systems which is making everything slow, hard for me to pull up this site(SLOOOOOWWWW) and can only read my PM in the morning


regards

Spamhog

[QUOTE=Spam Hog]You can find reports on Boracay under the "other areas" section, I did one in June (?) and a little later you will see one by a guy called Mahklu, who has a PHD in mongering. Boracay is not really all that good for mongering, normally it is a place you take your special girl for a honeymoon or a few days alone but, as everywhere in the Phils, one can always find something. You might try Cocomangas Shooters bar or a disco called "the wave" but the locals "working" the places aren't all that great looking, you might get real lucky and score one of the dozens of Korean or Japanaese tourist girls, but a wing man is advisable as they usually show up in twos threes and fours.

Good Luck

spamhog[/QUOTE]Many tanks for informations, I'll try the same because some friends told me that the place is wonderfull, so I am going for 4 or 5 days, maybe alone, and I'll sure report to all guys.

[QUOTE=Spam Hog]There is a Philippines wide problem with Yahoo, Google and many other search engines, been going on for several days, probably coz of the Taiwan situation but also everybody is on the internet trying to get into those systems which is making everything slow, hard for me to pull up this site(SLOOOOOWWWW) and can only read my PM in the morning


regards

Spamhog[/QUOTE]
Along those lines, international telephone connections are hit or miss right now, mostly miss for me. I'm in California and I have only been able to get through to the Phils by phone once since the earthquake and the connection was terrible. Also my Smart SIM roaming ain't. Yahoo IM seems to work, but audio sucks and webcam mostly freezes. Pity the poor scammers who are probably starving.

At the moment, I am hearing at least 3 more weeks before service will improve.

[QUOTE=Finrod]Along those lines, international telephone connections are hit or miss right now, mostly miss for me. I'm in California and I have only been able to get through to the Phils by phone once since the earthquake and the connection was terrible. Also my Smart SIM roaming ain't. Yahoo IM seems to work, but audio sucks and webcam mostly freezes. Pity the poor scammers who are probably starving.

At the moment, I am hearing at least 3 more weeks before service will improve.[/QUOTE]

I always have problems getting through to Phils around New Years and Christmas. It must be all the offshore Filipinos calling their relatives to wish them Merry Christmas and the Happy New Year. Add to that severed Internet cables and you have a real problem.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston]I always have problems getting through to Phils around New Years and Christmas. It must be all the offshore Filipinos calling their relatives to wish them Merry Christmas and the Happy New Year. Add to that severed Internet cables and you have a real problem.[/QUOTE]
Trust me, I own a techie company there...it is not the holidays...the typhoon has skrewed up internet connections and phone lines big time. It's cost me 1000s USD.

Also having problems with Chika. My Smart Sim stopped roaming. Any ideas when all this will be fixed? GF she is pissed.

[QUOTE=Joe Banana]Hi Spivey, has the barfine really gone up to 2k in Sabang or is it still 1k for the bar and 1k for the girl? I'm looking forward to gettimg back there in April.[/QUOTE]It was 2K, half goes to the girl. It was the same at all the discos.

[QUOTE=Wander Luster]Trust me, I own a techie company there...it is not the holidays...the typhoon has skrewed up internet connections and phone lines big time. It's cost me 1000s USD.[/QUOTE]Wander Luster, I'm looking for info on tech compnies in PI - looking for consultants. Do you have any contacts or info? I am a paid member on this site, but it won't let me PM.

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Hi Spivey24,

I checked the forum's membership and subscription records. There's no record of you ever having been a subscriber, and there's no record of you ever having paid for a subscription.

Please don't tell people that you're a paid member but your PM isn't working. This suggests to other members that the PM system won't work even if they buy a subscription.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Kiowa53]Also having problems with Chika. My Smart Sim stopped roaming. Any ideas when all this will be fixed? GF she is pissed.[/QUOTE]
I have some connections to the telecom/ISP companies involved. The initial public estimates were 7 days, but that was too optimistic considering the logistics. Then they said 2 weeks in official notices, but I was hearing 3 weeks on the side. My best guess is 1 to 2 more weeks. It shouldn't take longer than that as there is a lot of pressure to get it done.

So hang in there is all I can say. If they get it fixed up sooner, that would be great for all as lots of companies and people are losing money because of the poor connectivity.

Kiowa, if your GF doesn't understand it's out of your control, perhaps you need to find another GF.

Thanks for the info Finrod. GF is undercontrol, she understands. Just pissed off at Smart.

Kiowa, it's out of Smart's control as well. Not that your GF will understand that, she has to lash out at something and I get that.

On to the news update: there's been a setback in the repair efforts. One of the cable laying ships pitched a fit and had to go back to Taipei for repairs that will last at least a week. That is public news somewhere. So now I am hearing January 16 as the due date to get half of it fixed and January 30 for complete restoration of service for the set of cables that was disrupted by the earthquake.

There has been considerable rerouting through Europe so that is helping some: my Smart SIM started roaming again today. But Yahoo Messenger audio and webcam still sucks; only IM is OK.

[QUOTE=Spivey24]Ah, just returned to the states from a 2 week vacation in the Philippines. Im suffering from major jet lag and serious depression and can think of nothing except how I am going to get back there!! Please help... I'm 37, white, single, average looking, make a good living, and now hate American girls even more.

I spent 4 nights in Angeles, 4 in Puerto Galero, 2 in Manila, and 5 in Alona Beach on Panglau Island in Bohol. It started out to be a scuba diving trip with a little Pilipina action on the side. It turned into a trip with a lot of Pilipina action and a little scuba on the side. (-;

All the girls I met in Angeles were some of the sweetest and nicest girls. Never had a single problem. Barfined 1 or 2 at a time, took them barhopping, had great fun in the bars and a great time back in the room. Tipped them very well and am still in contact with a few. Actually took a cherry girl the last night because I was so worn out and just wanted to cuddle. (ahhhh (-; ) She was a true sweetheart though. These girls are in a strange town sleeping with strange men for basically very little money, so give them a break.

Barfined a few very cute, 18/19 yo girls in Puerto Galera. 5 or 6 discos there. They were good and had nice bodies, but didn't stick around long. 2k/barfine there though. Some freelance action there too, but didn't try it. Got a few decent dives in, but got hit with the typhoon, so no more diving. Its a fun town to hang out in the bars and play pool, and I highly rocommend a massage at the castle looking place - the best I ever had (legit though). The beach isn't very good there though - rooms are pretty cheap and right on the water.

I had 2 fantastic girls in Manila that I met at the LA Cafe. That is a very cool place - all freelance. One had the best body of a girl I have ever been with! I tried to hook up with her again but never connected. The other was this 19 yo, that I spent the last 5 days with in Alona beach, that stole my heart.

I had taken this girl for the night from LA Cafe. She was very cute, spoke very good English, and was relatively intelligent, so conversation was good. She wanted to go to Alona with me really bad. So on a whim, I said ok, since there wasn't going to be any action there. I had to get her a later flight, so I bought her a ticket. I figured if she shows up, great, if not I'm only out 50 bucks - better to find out now rather than later that she is a scammer. She wasn't a pro by any means, but I also doubt that was her first time in LA. She was down in Manila from her north Luzon province for a week doing some paperwork for her travel visa she is trying to get. She wanted to make some money for the bus, her room, and to take back with her. Her story really did check out and she is back in her province now. She's trying to get to the US to live with her aunt there. She was a lot of fun, took very good care of me with the cabs and any bullshit we encountered, and never once gave me any bula-bula. She is somewhat infatuated with marrying a foreigner, so intentions are more about looking for a boyfriend. The sex was good, but not the best I've had. She definitely had a bit of a jealous streak and a temper, but I like a girl with a little spunk. The only problem was that I was not allowed more than 50 feet from her at any time!

But anyway, we had a good time, toured Bohol, and went out on the dive boats daily, and of course shopping. She took me to the airport (to make sure I was actually getting on the plane I'm sure), and she even cried when I left which was cute. I'm still in contact with her via SMS over Yahoo Messenger, and she is bored back in her province. She sends me very sweet messages a lot. She wants to know when I'm coming back, and I can think of nothing else.

My only question is what is real and what isn't? I feel like a kid coming home from Disney World trying to figure out if the Pirates of the Carribean were actually robots. (-; But seriously, she is half my age, and a world apart. I would like to see her again, but would also like to sample other Pilipinas. I'm not sure where I go at this point. I just know I am so depressed at this point and miss her a lot.

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]Ok, I have had a week plus to decompress now and ease back into reality. I survived another Christmas, and get to drink myself stupid for New Years in a couple of days. The Philippines seem like a dream now, but I awake every morning with a smile thinking about it.

I wasn't quite prepared for what that place can do to you. I've been to other non-asian mongering locals like Costa Rica, Curacao, and others, but there were language barriers there and the girls were sweet, but just looking to make some quick money to take back home. The Filipinas are quite a different experience. The whole GFE thing is definitely fun - whether they are looking for a boyfriend, someone to father their kids, or just looking for return business, it doesn't matter - its still good and real as it gets. After 20 years of mediocre response from American women at best, to get that kind of attention and sex, rocks! I've had plenty of American girlfriends, and have one too many at the moment, but I will definitely return to the Phillipines for more Filipina “love”.

As for my little 19yo I spent 5 days with in Alona, asking me for money 5 times in one week got me over her real quick! Oh well, she wasn't that great in bed anyway and I was getting really tired of texting about nothing. (-; I'm just not interested in supporting someone, and getting nothing in return - I already have that right here in the USA (-; Oh well, here is a little more info about my trip that might be useful to others...

Due to the typhoon, my flight got screwed up on Cebu Pacific from Hong Kong to Manila. Cebu Pacific has great flights, but their reservation system sucks! I wanted the hell out of Hong Kong, and the only flight guaranteed out was a way over-priced ticket on Philippine Airlines, so I took it and away I went. The only problem was I arrived way too early for my private car, so I had to get alternate transport to Angeles. I didn't have the fly-the-bus schedule with me and didn't want to be stuck at the Swagman, so I remembered reading about the Victory Liner bus. So I took a cab to the bus terminal and grabbed a bus to Dao. The cabbie jacked me even with a meter somehow. The Victory bus is clean and comfy and I felt relatively safe. I was the only white dude on there, but got lots of smiles from the young ladies traveling. I would not recommend Victory if you are not an experienced traveler or have a lot of luggage, but otherwise it is fine (and cheap). A door-to-door car would have been easier of course. So a trike ride from the bus terminal in Angeles to my hotel, and the adventure begins. If its your first time in Angeles, I would recommend arriving during daylight. It was a bit overwhelming to arrive there at night – a shock to all the senses to say the least. I was booked at the Pacific Breeze hotel, which was supposed to have opened just a few days earlier. Well it didn’t. (-; It looks like a nice place and is owned by the same people as the Central Park and has rooms for $50. So the girls at the Cetral Park hotel called around and got me a room at the Hana hotel. It’s a decent place, but all the way up on Perimeter. It has a very nice pool and the suites are nice rooms and the front desk staff were great – otherwise nothing special.

So my first night out, I stopped in a couple of smaller bars, but just had a beer at each. Then I found Pasha. This place had a ton of girls working – wow! I went to the bar and had a few drinks with the manager – really nice guy – indonesian-dutch or something. A cute waitress came over and I had some drinks with her and her friend. After a while, I bar-fined them both, and we went bar-hopping and playing pool, and had a lot of fun. I ended up cutting her friend loose – she was a lot of fun to hang out with but not so hot, so I just took the one cute one back to the room. We had some great bareback sex, got a great bbbj in the morning, and we stayed in bed and at the pool most of the next day, screwing every couple of hours. I had to finally make up an excuse for her to leave at around 3pm – I don’t think she would have left on her own accord. The second night, the jet lag kicked in and I slept most of the night, woke up at 4am, went down to Mo’s and watched football til the sun came up, got some breakfast then took a walk down Santos St. Ended up short-timing an 18yo cute cherry girl at a place across the street from Wild Orchard and got an incredible bbbjcim, all for 1100 pesos – gotta love it! Highly recommend trying these “bj bars”. The third night I met some guy while drinking at Mo’s and we went to Nero’s because he wanted to meet up with this girl there. We ended up having a LOT of fun with the naughty officers there. We had them doing tequilla shots off of each other’s bare nipples. It got quite wild back in the corner and much clothes came off the girls. I had moved to the Cetral Park hotel at this point, so I took 2 of the officers back to the room after a little barhopping. We had a great 3some and they stayed til morning, we went to breakfast and sent them on their way after exchanging phone numbers. I had brought a Cingular phone with me that I had unlocked, and got a sim card there. I really recommned this, so you can text the girls and stay in contact with the good ones. Its fun getting messages all the time. The forth night was uneventful, then came leaving Angeles for my next stop (after another trip to the Santos bars and another bbbjcim from a different 18yo!). This was very hard to pull myself away from Angeles, but I had to go scuba diving and I knew there would be more pussy there.

I took the fly-the-bus down to Manila and stayed overnight at the Swagman. The bus to Puerto Galero wasn’t leaving til 8am. The Swagman is a decent hotel – the lobby is nice and they had some good live music, but I didn’t care for the rooms much. Its very convenient for taking the fly-the-bus though. I decided to try the LA Café I read about. This place was hopping with 60+ girls or so – its all freelance there. I had a few beers and had to brush off a few annoying girls, but overall I liked the place. Then this one girl walked over - she was very good looking, so we had some drinks and she agreed to come back to my place for 1500p + tip. She wanted to walk back to the hotel instead of taking a cab. I didn’t really like that, but we got there safe. She ended up having an amazing body, and I was in complete heaven the whole time doing her. The second time around she told me to sperm in her mouth, so I obligued! She left after about 4 hours as we had agreed – had to get home early for something. I wanted her so bad the rest of the trip, but never could hook up with her again. She was so hot!

The next day I caught the bus and ferry to Puerto Galero/Sabang (via Swagman fly-the-bus). It took about 4 hours all together, but wasn’t too bad. The people from Swagman were really good and made sure everything went smooth and we got on the boat safely. I found a little hotel called Seashore or something and got a nice room right on the beach for 1300 a night. Hot water was an issue at times, but overall a good, quiet place. Power and cable tv are not a given on this island! Most places have to run partially off of generators. Puerto Galero is an interesting town. The scuba diving was good, but due to the full moon, the currents were running fast. The best diving is a longer trip to Verde island. Due to the storms coming through, no dive shop was going there unfortunately, so I never saw it, but still got some local dives in that were nice. I found a good dive shop owned by a Belgium guy. Go to a bar called the Divers Den (I think) a block off the beach - it has big murials on the wall. He also sponsors paint ball games. There is not much of a beach in Sabang, but they have some nice resorts, good restaraunts, and good bars right on the beach. I spent a couple of days in the bars playing pool with some ex-pats and Aussies, and had a great relaxing time drinking some San Miguels. Had a fantastic legit massage a couple of times at this castle looking hotel up the street from the beach area. Actually the girl doing it wanted to meet me after work, but she didn't get off til 11pm. Wish I had, but didn't because I had another girl by then. There are about 6 discos with girls in this town. There is a decent selection with some cuties – not like Angeles but still good. I found plenty of talent in the discos - I didn't see much freelance action that looked any good, but there was plenty around. The mamasans are a little pushy in the discos but they will find you anything you like, so use them. I took a hottie back to the room each night after barhopping – the barfine was 2000p, half for the girl. One didn’t stay, but I was too tired to care. I got stuck there an extra day because of the storms and no boats were running. I finally got off on the only boat leaving that day, but the trip back was from hell due to the waves and chop – never again will I take a boat in PI in bad weather!!

I got back to Manila at the Swagman, but after the extended boat ride, I was too late to catch a flight out. So I decided to try another hotel called Lotus Garden. It was very nice for PI standards and cost $50. Much more professional and clean than any other place I stayed, but not much personality either. I hadn’t done much research on Manila as I only expected to be there one night, so after a long sleep, I headed back to LA Café at 4am. I was a little worried it would be dead, but to my surprise, it was packed and hopping! I stayed a little while drinking, not having much luck, but then came in this little 19yo cutie at 5am. She was good looking, had a nice body, spoke great English, and was relatively intelligent. So we talked for a while, ate some french fries, then headed back to the room. Never once discussed money. Her story was she was down in Manila to do some paperwork for her visa. The story seemed to check out, but who knows. I had told her I was heading down to Alona beach the next day, and she was very interested in coming, but I was a little weary of bringing a girl that I had known for a few hours. I was having some serious indecision about this, but decided in the morning to bring her. I checked out, we got in the cab, stopped by her place to pick up a few things, paid her landlord 2K for rent which I gave the landlord directly because she wouldn’t let her leave without paying (-; Then of course got stuck in Manila traffic. By the time I got to the airport, I was very late, and ended up having to get my girl a ticket on a later plane. I made the flight by the skin of my teeth on Cebu and off I went on a good flight.

In Taglibaran I arranged transport for my girl to the hotel since she was coming in later. I made my cabbie take me a few places in Alona beach before I found one I liked – ended up at a place called Alona Divers – nice place but a little overpriced at 3000p for beach front with no hot water. They had garder view rooms for 1500p too. You can get rooms a few blocks from the beach for as little as 800p. They happened to be doing a twighlight dive that night, so I went straight out for dive. I honestly didn’t know if my girl was going to show, but wasn’t that pressed, since I would only be out 50 bucks if she scammed me. I had a good feeling about her though. I came back to my room after the dive, and to my surprise she was there. But unfortunately she had major ear problems on her very bad flight and was in a lot of pain. So much for the perfect trip… I gave her some sudafed and tylenol and hoped it would clear, but it never did get much better. And I heard about it plenty the whole trip! )-; We spent four days there, went out on the dive boat each day. She would snorkel or just hang on the boat while I dove. I thought she might get bored but she seemed fine. The diving was really good – excellent corals and lots of palagics, and not much current. Dive boats go mostly to Balicasag island and local dives each day, but a few will go to Cabilao island which is woth the trip and extra cost. Just ask around. Alona beach is kind of sleepy – its nice with restaurants right on the beach serving the catch of the day grilled. Its mainly about 7 or 8 large resorts in a row with some shops here and there and a nice beach, and a bunch of smaller outdoor bars. Great to relax and do some diving, but not much nightlife. I didn’t see much action going on, but I didn’t look too hard either.

We went into town in Taglibaran a few times to eat or kick around town. Somehow we always ended up at the mall though. She was quite happy to shop if I was paying, of course. She had her eye on a new cel phone. I explained to her it was coming out of the money I had planned to give her for Christmas at the end of the trip, so she still got it. (-; They will get the better of you eventually, but I took it out in trade that night though (-;. Overall, it was nice to have someone to go out with and eat with and sleep with and kick around with and shower with. I saw a lot more being with her because she was really good at getting around, and took no shit from anyone, especially when it had to do with money. She got in a fight with every cab driver, because they always tried to jack us and she wouldn’t put up with it – it was pretty funny though. Quite a temper on that little one. We went on a tour the last day around Bohol and saw the chocolate mountains and other things – it was good to play tourist for a day.

Overall, I liked the experience of traveling with a girl. Its kind of a risk, because you really don’t know how they will be. My girl was very sweet and very trustworthy so it worked out (for the most part). But they are your responsibility there since you took them. The down side was I was never allowed more than 50 ft from her at any one time, seriously - she had some major jealousy and trust issues (for good reason with me (-;). So I didn’t get to play as much as I would have liked – I’m used to a lot of “me” time at home, so it took some getting used to.

We flew back to Manila and said our crying goodbyes at the Manila airport and I had an uneventful trip home – 30 hours door-to-door from Alona Beach to Washington DC! But I survived and it was SO worth it. Singapore airlines rock if you ever get a chance to take them.

The only problem now, is that I can think of nothing but going back. I am scheming and plotting, and shall return!

Guys;

This is a problem some of us have learned the hard way and yes me also.The gals at your hotel are looking for a free ride anywhere as we all know.I have fallen VICTOM yes thats the right wording for this scamm.You check in and get to know the staff and after a while they use the devel in the red dress deal.What I am saying is they take and meet you at another hotel and fuck your brains out and yes this is great but,the downside is they have a roster of others ahead and behind you they have also played.

They have a great job,they know who,what,when the guys is getting into town and then they work the magic.They lie and have many others sending cash and some as close as 2-3 rooms away helping them along.Watch the magic and yes I have even had them finish (resign)there work and go with me.And after 2-3 weeks I find out they are KEBET "MISTRESS" To another guy who is married with a family.They are getting money from others they meet at hotels in the daytime and fucking me whenever they can get back from all the other shit they are doing.

YES, THE BEST LITTLE SCAMMERS IN THE WORLD ARE HERE LOOKING FOR A FREE RIDE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY.AND YES, WHEN THAT LITTLE BROWN HONEY HAS YOUR MANHOOD IN HER MOUTH IT'S HARD TO BELEAVE YOU ARE NOT "THE ONE AND ONLY".

This has happened to me 2 times in 5 months and after a week or two the game is over and some peso's are spent so what right?Wrong they are off after the next guy.In most hotels the management would fire out anyone doing this, but some save the practice for there older emplyees to work there deals inhouse without any danger of loosing there job.What a way to run a business ha.When in the P.I. be ready for anything and yes you can get whatever you see you like from where I stand.Never think just because you know a gals sister that the other is a great gal because the joke could be on you.


And on another note never think the gal is not a pro great if she asks if you can insert the bottom end of a sam,mig light bottle in her PUSSY and she wants more after 3/4 of it is inside.Yes she wanted the beer bottle and then after 10 minutes wanted what I had to offer,UNREAL!!! Now thats a gal I want to take back to meet MOM.I have never seen a gal do that here, and only 1 other time back home.And she also told me she was not good in bed before I did the deed with her the first time.She was a sex crazed anamal yes it was good but the 3 kid the ex boyfrend(who punched her teeth out who she still is supporting) The german guy giving her money and others after trips to manila did not make me feel I had much of a prize.And the mothers American bf had no Idea all this was going on behind his back with his girlfrends daughter who is at the ripe age of 28.This guy has lived and supported all this shit knowing and not knowing all the shit that was going on within his about to be step children.I guess after 2 years not knowing whats up this guy should take notice and wonder what kind of shit are they pulling on him.After all when the mom's 3 little angels need somthing they run to her and him to save the day.And as we all know it's hard to say no when it cames to a dog and his meat.

Fools come in all shapes and sizes and yes even after staying here for a long time we all can fall at the feet of the little brown gal with a regular job who wants to project the image of I AM AN ANGEL TAKE PITTY ON ME.

B.B...

Yes all this drama went on 100 feet apart from one hotel to the other.

KEEP IT IN THE FAMILY RIGHT.


B.B.

Be careful when entering the US of A with your laptop

[url]http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/24/business/laptop.php[/url]

Eaglestar,

That was a great link ye gave and I would like tae see a LOT maere like it. Just tae give ye the lowdown laddie: when ye enter the United States, even as a US citizen, ye have NAE rights whatsover. Ye get that? They can do wtf they like. That is the law. You enter your own country as a privilege not as a right. I am sure there are good reasons for it but it is the law. So the customs cops can do anything either at the airport or later.

In many EU countries, if ye try to bring in a contraband CD or whatever and get caught, yer in deep shit laddie. And ye cannae argue becasue ye have nae rights.

On a personal level, I would like tae see maer posts like that and the stuff about cops shaking down gullible punters. Generally speaking wehn we travel to the Philippines or wherever, we are vulnerable. I would like more posts on howe to be less vulnerable.

Although I thimk the La Cafe shakedown is scarier, yer post is good as waht is tae stop a corrupt customs man doing ye over? Fuck all is and thats a sobering thought so it is.

way I look at it, you have nothing to hide, not a big thing

George Bush, if you are reading this, Alqeada won't do any with planes again.
Yes there will be other major attacks but their thinking is not as elementary as yours.

the last several reports deal with various land mines one encounters in this country and i guess in my native land. well a few things for the lot of ye blocklishes who would adventure 'mongst an alien people in the hot devil lands.

be real careful around mongering areas, the no ham for lunch bunch has threatened to do a fine olde dooblin style bombin' where a bunch of ye foreign devils rut, angeles city and makati are real targets, easy to do, come by on a motorbike, bust out a window and lob a grenade through the hole when everybody be full o' the guiness. look at this crap in thailand, that is a warning, my money is on a bomb at nanaplaza next. maybe somewhere here during the asean summit.

as far as ye highlander being shaken doon by the old bill, unless ye do something real stupid (nothing personal) you dont have too many a worry.
some common ones i've seen the room tempature iq crowd perpetrate:

the ever popular punch up on a trull for poor service, lack of, or stealin yer treasures, usually while drunk. second to this is thinkin yer such a badass from street boppin' in glasglow, the bronx or possumfuck tennesse and getting put on your ass by a 140lb filipino. i always enjoy seeing the later.

**** anything (you deserve this one)

smuggling things in or out of the country, like pornography on cd's, hustler mags etc,(a minor fine)smuggle something out like counterfeit treasury notes or travelers checks, expect jail, they catch one idiot a month doing this.

anything to do with drugs, death penalty is still on the books for this one. usually catch some moron backpackers at boracay/palawan but i've seen a few guys get busted scoring street shabu and marijuana, dont trust your girls or street pimps on this one, also hilarious to see.

trying to stiff the locals for a bill, you are gonna get caught so don't try it.

last, the most common "stings" you will run into are the things that bill b mentions in his report, yes gentlemen the little heart breakers get you "cumming" and going. if it happens, dont get pissed, dont try to get even, chalk it up to experience and move on, anything else will bring the law and a load of problems you dont need.

do not try to beat hustlers at their game.

enjoy


spamhog

Going to AC, Baguio, and Makati for a total of 10 days.

How much cash is needed for everything including mongering?

Thanks

depends on your taste

the average room is about 30 us per night. typical meal with drinks = 7 x 3
girl overnight + tip = 30 in AC, bar hopping = (if not alcoholic) 20

I advise you not to follow your set itinerary unless it is business
Stay in Manila and most in AC if you are there just for mongering.
good luck and have fun

Thanks for the advice. It will be my first trip. So yes nervous but I will hopefully run into some ex pats who will steer me right!! I get a feeling that I will write a bigger thanks to you when I get back. I get into Manila on 2/7 at 11 PM. I wont get into AC till early morning.

Noticed in your post you will be getting into Manila @ 11pm. If you are staying overnight in Manila get a taxi at the "Nissan Stand" (on the left as you leave the terminal doors). At 11 pm I would not go down (incline) to the arrivals hall unless someone was picking me up. Had some pretty weird experieces there.

A cab from the Nissan Stand will cost you a little more, but at 11 pm in Manila it is worth it. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Dcand4]Thanks for the advice. It will be my first trip. So yes nervous but I will hopefully run into some ex pats who will steer me right!! I get a feeling that I will write a bigger thanks to you when I get back. I get into Manila on 2/7 at 11 PM. I wont get into AC till early morning.[/QUOTE]

To each his own but this is my economical way

Book the Swagman hotel, not the greatest hotel, but this is why it is good for greenhorns. For about $40 for a standard room, the van will pick you up from the airport for free. Taxi ride to the hotels in the vicinity will cost you about 300+ pesos which I usually don't like to use at that hours. Check in, let the jetlag does it think until 11 am given that you don't want to monger yet. Check out, buy the 500-peso hotel bus ticket, which leaves around 1130. Get on it sleep some more, two hours later you will be in AC. While on the bus, tell the asistant where you are staying and they will take you to the front door of the hotel.

I still do this after all these years because I know that the furthest I will have to haul my luggage between the plane and AC is only in the terminal.
It cuts cost and head ache.

For anyone interested in learning the language(s) of the Philippines...

[url]http://www.seasite.niu.edu/Tagalog/Tagalog_mainpage.htm[/url]

I will also post this in the "Living in the Philippines" thread.

Thanks for the info. As stated, I get in at 11PM. Am I better off taken the Swagman taxi or the taxi at the Nissan stand? Also am I committed to staying at the Swagman if I take there ride?

Sorry BB, but I don't understand the part about the hotel. I don't understand "fire out". Also, I thought you were talking about working girls, so not sure how the hotel could fire them. Do you mean, "kick them out / ban them from the hotel"?

As for the beer bottle part, are you sure that wasn't some dream you had - or nightmare?

I would appreciate some clarification.

X

[QUOTE=Bill Buxton]Guys;
In most hotels the management would fire out anyone doing this, but some save the practice for there older emplyees to work there deals inhouse without any danger of loosing there job.What a way to run a business ha.When in the P.I. be ready for anything and yes you can get whatever you see you like from where I stand.Never think just because you know a gals sister that the other is a great gal because the joke could be on you.


And on another note never think the gal is not a pro great if she asks if you can insert the bottom end of a sam,mig light bottle in her PUSSY and she wants more after 3/4 of it is inside.Yes she wanted the beer bottle and then after 10 minutes wanted what I had to offer,UNREAL!!! Now thats a gal I want to take back to meet MOM.
B.B...[/QUOTE]

Although I have the intention (or rahter, wish) to go visit an Asian country for a couple of weeks, I'm a bit worried about the language barrier. Can I expect the (working) girls to be able to have at least some skills in English? Asian languages are way to difficult for me, an Indo-European language speaker, to master even if it's just a little so it is critically important. Considering my interest in the language factor, what are countries to go to and which to avoid? For the former I have always heard that Thai and Philipine girls speak English well, is this also the experience here? And maybe those countries that receive less tourists, like Burma or Cambodia and perhaps even Vietnam, should be avoided? I'm curious as to how people here feel about the language barrier.

[QUOTE=Van Velen]Philipine girls speak English well, is this also the experience here?[/QUOTE]Yes the Philippines are a good choice to visit because many people speak english. Most people that have completed high school have rudimenary english skills because english is a required subject. Those that are in the hospitality and tourist industries as well as business people can speak great english. Hong Kong and Singapore also have many english speakers since they were former British colonies.

[QUOTE=X Man]Sorry BB, but I don't understand the part about the hotel. I don't understand "fire out". Also, I thought you were talking about working girls, so not sure how the hotel could fire them. Do you mean, "kick them out / ban them from the hotel"?

As for the beer bottle part, are you sure that wasn't some dream you had - or nightmare?

I would appreciate some clarification.

X[/QUOTE]

The term fired out is terminate the persons employment.This is a term used here I never herd that phrase at home.How long you stayed here man,I am sure you have herd this before.Working hotel staff,not working bar girls.Please know that this unsavory practice is not tolerated in any other country that I have visited.Most any hotel will not let the staff have relations with guests unless it's outside of the hotel.So the answer is most employees will not date long time guests staying where they work, and if they do its verry quietly done.On the other hand most gals working for a hotel at the front desk will not ask guests for money for sexual favors eather.This happened at two locations in A/C and both properties are less than 100 feet apart.So who the fuck knows.


Also yes the beer bottle is true and no I have no picture to prove it but please,Why would anyone every think that sober or souced.

B.B...

So Bill B, care to list some of the scammer hotels you refer to in your previous post?
TIA
Daring Mood

[QUOTE=Bill Buxton]The term fired out is terminate the persons employment.This is a term used here I never herd that phrase at home.How long you stayed here man,I am sure you have herd this before.Working hotel staff,not working bar girls.Please know that this unsavory practice is not tolerated in any other country that I have visited.Most any hotel will not let the staff have relations with guests unless it's outside of the hotel.So the answer is most employees will not date long time guests staying where they work, and if they do its verry quietly done.On the other hand most gals working for a hotel at the front desk will not ask guests for money for sexual favors eather.This happened at two locations in A/C and both properties are less than 100 feet apart.So who the fuck knows.


Also yes the beer bottle is true and no I have no picture to prove it but please,Why would anyone every think that sober or souced.

B.B...[/QUOTE]

marquis hotel,bluefieldshotel.These are the 2 I stayed at and lost items at and also scamms from the staff.

B.B...

I have heard of the marquis, but where is the " bluefieldshotel?"

[QUOTE=Bill Buxton]marquis hotel,bluefieldshotel.These are the 2 I stayed at and lost items at and also scamms from the staff.

B.B...[/QUOTE]

bb tends to send messages in a "train of thought" method. Sometimes it takes me several reads to figure out what he's saying.

And in this case....he's got my attention.

I just been dating a lady I met at the hotel front desk a year ago. Now she says I'm her soulmate. Yikes....bb....has made me slam on the brakes...

BTW, what does a hotel lady make?

X


[QUOTE=Bill Buxton]
You check in and get to know the staff and after a while they use the devel in the red dress deal.What I am saying is they take and meet you at another hotel and fuck your brains out and yes this is great but,the downside is they have (an agenda)
B.B...[/QUOTE]

Depends on what she does at the hotel, where it is, how much class the place has, obviously a maid at a five star hotel is gonna make more than a pillow at the local "short time". I get the impression that the hotels BB is talking about are "family run" clip joints, that is why the girls are getting away with that crap. In any case I dont think they make much above minumin wage which in the PI is about P140 a day. Depending on the arrangement, if they room there, etc. they may not even make that much.

FYI most of the girls you meet in Gaisano make about that, P135, six days a week ten hour days, they normally only keep them six months as after that benefits attach, they hire a new bunch and turn 'em all over. Only the managerial staff are "permanent". I knew a lady who worked as a maid in Davao's Apo view hotel years ago, she made P90 a day 'course that was a few years back.

With such conditions you can understand why they resort to all sorts of chicanery, some of them are humping the boss and can keep their jobs no matter what.


Regards


Spamhog

(1) Where is Burgos Street?

(2) Has anyone taken a bus from Manila to AC? Where is the bus station and how much does it cost?

(3) Could someone recommend a low cost, girl friendly inexpensive hotel in the Malate area?

Thanks in advance for your help.

i've just read the rules and can't see any reason not to paste this in here - there is no copyright info on the page it came from - if i have missed a rule that prevents it being here, please moderate away and accept my apologies.

it is an awesome report on various places in the philippines from 11th feb 2004. i've been looking for something like this for quite a while now - even a lot of reading on this forum hasn't made prices really clear (is barfine all inclusive etc), and i've not *yet* been to find out for myself.

if someone with lots of pi experience wants to add to this so it can be made into a full pi guide, that'd be pretty damned groovy.

without further ado, none of the work that follows is mine.




metro manila

these days virtually everyone arrives in the pi by air, and most people land at the messy ninoy aquino international airport in metro manila. (arranging a hotel pickup at the airport in advance is a very good idea). so, metro manila is a good place to start.

legally, in terms of governmental organization, metro manila is really a collection of separate municipalities and towns. the actual city of manila is just one of the various local governments within metro manila. among some of the others are paranaque, where the airport is located, and makati, which is the business and banking center of the pi. the structure of local government is important for our purposes because different municipalities and towns have different rules about what sort of bars can operate within their respective jurisdictions.

manila

currently, manila proper has no gogo bars although there are gogo bars elsewhere in metro manila. back in the 1980s, the ermita and malate neighborhoods of manila apparently used to be a strong rival to the big mango. indeed, i have heard from a number of different western men including a very successful farang bar owner in the kingdom who all claimed that manila in its heyday used to be even wilder than bangers at the time. since my first trip to the republic only took place in late 2000, i cannot personally verify that point, but manila during the 80s must have been something to witness if even only half the stories i’ve heard about that era were true. incidentally, some bars in thailand and the pi have similar names, but i am not sure if there is any connection or who exactly might be copying whom.

well, manila’s glory days are over due to a populist mayor who tried to “clean up” the city. sound familiar? the go-go bars are gone now and parts of the old strip remain weedy vacant lots more than a decade later. apparently, the crumbling spanish colonial architecture of intramuros has not been enough to pull in vast numbers of western tourists to manila. that should serve as a cautionary tale for certain political forces in contemporary siam.

yet, fear not, all is not lost. even within manila there are other forms of naughty nightlife. my personal favorite is the freelancer scene. one of the best places to find filipina freelancers is a combination, bar, restaurant, and night club called “l.a. cafe” located in ermita. more exactly it is on m.h. del pilar a little north of pedro gil.

expressed in bangkok terms, manila’s l.a. cafe plays a role similar to that of classic pro (and semi-pro) pick-up joints like thermae, the two coffee shops in the grace hotel, and so on. yet, i prefer l.a. cafe over any of the various freelancer venues that i have been to in thailand or anywhere else in asia for that matter.

l.a. cafe serves passable food as well as good cold drinks including san miguel on tap. it has several pool tables and a dance floor. live music is featured on a regular basis in the evenings. the total effect is a fun spot * certainly a lot more fun in my book than your average hard rock cafe whose name and logo were presumably known to the founder of l.a. cafe. in terms of atmosphere, again in bangkok terms, it is something of a cross between the blue wave and guillver’s on sukhumvit soi 5. yet, since it is on two levels and has taken over its former neighbor diamondhead, l.a. cafe probably has more total floor space than the blue wave and guillver’s combined.

how much do manila-based freelancers want? and, more importantly, how much would they finally accept? these days many freelancers will quote a rate of one thousand pesos (about seven hundred baht at the current exchange rate) or so for just short-time. however, some of the gals might settle for one thousand pesos or even less for long-time. keep in mind that the one grand peso bill is the highest philippine banknote and thus 1,000 pesos represents a significant sum of money to many filipinos. in other words, try not to think in terms of us dollars, euros, japanese yen, etc. please don’t distort the market.

the freelancers in the pi operate much like their counterparts in the land of smiles. so, if you are used to dealing with thai freelancers then it should be an easy transition to interact with their filipina sisters. indeed, the much higher average level of english should make things run smoothly. of course, the standard precautions should be taken with any pay-for-play gals.

rep001tered around manila proper are countless bars. yet, for a first time visitor, l.a. cafe is as good a place as any to start looking for your “honey ko.”

in the ermita and malate areas there are a number of hotels in different price ranges. room rates are roughly comparable to those of bangkok, but generally the hotels aren’t quite as nice. one of my pet peeves about manila is how hardly any mid-range hotels have swimming pools despite the ideal climate.

elsewhere in metro manila

within metro manila, gogo bars aimed at foreign men can be found in makati and in pasay city. the gogos in makati are concentrated around p. burgos street. being next to the financial district, the bars tend to be upscale or, at the very least, have dancers who view themselves as being worthy of a sizeable fee. and, it must be stated that some of the dancers in makati are very hot. as a result, prices here can be very dear. indeed, if you are not careful, an evening in makati could work out costing more than even a night on the town in sukhumvit soi 33. bring a thick wallet!

a slightly cheaper alternative exists in pasay city. a sort of indoor pi version of nana plaza can be found in pasay city’s edsa complex. edsa stands for “epifanio de los santos avenue,” which runs in front of the complex. some of the bars in the edsa complex have cool themes like the firehouse where the dancers slid down a pole to reach the stage. a real treat for the eyes!

elsewhere in pasay city there are some freestanding bars like “chaos niteclub” * great name for a bar in metro manila! chaos is located on loudres street near roxas boulevard. actually, most metro manila taxi drivers know where the main bars and massage parlors are, but you should naturally avoid relying on their recommendations.

beyond metro manila

there is certainly a lot more to the philippines than just metro manila. the tourist ads are true. there are literally thousands of islands. but, luzon, on which manila is located, is the biggest and has a lot to offer. unless you are just in manila on a very short trip, then you really should check out at least one other destination in the pi.

the pi is a sizeable country. so, even though i have made several trips to the republic, there are many places that haven’t been to yet including spots in the muslim regions that i am in no hurry to see. below, then, is a brief description of a few destinations that might appeal to those looking for nightlife outside of metro manila.

angeles city

if you want real value for your money, then a good bet is to get out of metro manila completely and head for angeles city or just plain angeles to many regulars. located north of manila, depending on traffic angeles is usually about two and a half to three hours by either bus or taxi. a couple of different bus lines serve the route, but the easiest one for a first-time visitor to deal with would be the “fly the bus” service that leaves from in front of the australian-run swagman hotel, which is located not too far from the u.s. embassy.

one of my earliest impressions of angeles was that it was simply pattaya without the beach! here is a town that has gogo bars geared towards western males as one of its major industries. but, relatively speaking, the bar scene is probably even more important economically to angeles than it is to pattaya. here you will see very few, if any, white women or foreign families on vacation. this is hardcore sex tourist territory.

the center of the action in angeles is in the balibago section around fields avenue, which runs near the site of clark, the former american air force base. depending on the weather, fields avenue can be either dusty or muddy. and, the side streets tend to be even worse!

unlike what is often the case in pattaya, the gogo bars in angeles will charge an all-inclusive bar fine. in other words, the girl’s cut is fully included. the comprehensive bar fine is typically about one thousand pesos and is good for the entire night. assuming you have selected an appropriate gal, that is quite a deal. some dancers might ask for a little “taxi money” in the morning. anything above one hundred pesos would be silly and anything below twenty pesos would be an insult. of course, you might like to treat the lady nice and take her out to dinner. but, that’s up to you.

besides the dancers, one can also sometimes bar fine a waitress, a greeter (“hello girl”), or perhaps even a mama-san, if that’s your thing. personally, i tend to stick to the dancers even though the waitresses are often better looking. frankly speaking, on average, i just seem to have better experiences with dancers for some reason.

one thing to look out for in angeles is the strange phenomenon of so-called “cherry girls.” the cherry girls appear to be more common in a few of the larger and flashier bars that need to employ a lot of dancers to keep the party mood in high gear. how many of these girls are true virgins is unclear. regardless of whether or not they are really untouched, some of the younger dancers will simply not have sex with customers, but they will surely push ladies’ drinks. thus, if you are thinking of bar fining a girl especially one who looks relatively young, then make it clear beforehand that she is not a self-proclaimed cherry. if you do take a cherry girl out of a bar, then she will probably just want to go bar hopping in order to chat with her friends or cousins in other bars. that’s probably not what you want from angeles.

angles is also home to a number of bj bars. most are located on a. santos street, which is off of fields avenue near kokomo’s, is known to many punters as “blow row.” the bars here are mostly easy-going and open pretty much all the time. hence, a visit to blow row can be a good way to start your day. the going rate for an onsite short-time seems to be five hundred pesos, which is less than four hundred baht at the present exchange rate.

a. santos street has a definite third world feel. the rooms in the back of the bj bars are a bit rough even if many of the employees are sweet. as an alternative, one can usually bar fine a girl from a bj bar and bring her back to your hotel room instead. my impression is that few guys do that. so, if you do bar fine a girl from the row, then she is likely to view it as a bit of a treat.

believe it or not, a few of the gals on blow row claim to be cherry girls just like some of the dancers on fields avenue. in such cases, they will provide oral services, but that’s all. strange, but true...

bars on the row mostly employ natural-born females, but there sometimes a few lady boys lurking about. one of the other streets, the name of which i forget at the moment, is full of lady boys. so, that’s another good reason to seek oral relief in the daytime. mercifully, lady boys have been largely kept out of the mainstream bars.

although gogos are the main attraction, fields avenue also has a number of karaoke or “videoke” joints along with a rather uncomfortable disco and other establishments including some decent restaurants and a few internet cafes offering long hours and fairly fast connections by pi standards.

at least a few girls in town do freelance, but that seems to be more on a part-time basis to supplement working in a karaoke or gogo bar than pure freelancing. margarita station (a/k/a the ville) functions partly albeit not entirely as a pick-up joint.

the hotels in angeles tend to be basic. but, then again, most guys just need a place with a bed, shower, sink, toilet, and perhaps a tv. rates for air con rooms start at around five hundred pesos per night. thus, hotels in angeles are typically cheaper than comparable hotels in manila. a few even feature small pools. naturally, having a visitor or two in a guest’s room is not a problem!

while i have enjoyed all of the trips that i have made up to angeles, i do get bored with the place after a couple of days of serious partying. to an even greater extent than in pattaya, one can be at a loss as to what to do other than drink, shag, eat, and sleep. yet, some older western men actually choose to retire in angeles.

puerto galera

just a few kilometers south of luzon lies puerto galera on the north shore of the island of mindoro. a combination bus and ferry journey puts puerto galera within easy striking distance of manila.

puerto galera has several beaches, but some of the beaches are more for diving or snorkeling than for swimming. sabang beach is the most developed as well as the only one with any nightlife worth mentioning. there are a handful of self-described discos in the sabang beach area that are, in fact, go-go bars. the selection is much more limited than in angeles. but, being near the ocean is a big plus. some of the restaurants have nice views. and, walking along sabang beach on a peaceful night with a pretty young thing is downright romantic. of course, you could always bring a girl with you from out of town. more than a few manila freelancers have been down to puerto galera at some point during their career.

hotels tend to be quite cheap in puerto galera, but the rooms often just have fans. tvs are not common, but then getting away from tv for a few days can be relaxing by simply forgetting about the rest of the world for a while.

cebu

cebu is the name of an island, a province, and a city with a busy harbor. as a city, cebu is the center of the visayas, and it provides an urban alternative to metro manila. in fact, there are a number of flights from other parts of asia that go direct to cebu’s international airport on mactan island, which is connected by a modest bridge to the island of cebu. the airport is much smaller and somewhat less disorganized than manila’s. however, some flights into cebu do arrive late at night. so, one should seriously consider having transport along with a hotel room for at least the first night arranged well in advance.

even though it is a fairly large city, cebu is generally more relaxed than manila. folks in cebu seem a bit friendlier to foreign tourists. for example, unlike manila, a significant percentage of cebu taxi drivers will actually use the meter without having to be told to do so beforehand. nevertheless, one should continue to exercise big city caution. one of the memories of cebu that stands out in my mind was the bizarre sight of a donut shop that had an armed guard outside! all that dough must have needed serious protection…

some asian tourists never seem to get much beyond mactan island. although there are a few so-so beaches on mactan, it would be a shame not to explore the city of cebu, which has a number of historical and cultural sites to visit by day. the nightlife is also more in the city than on mactan.

cebu has a number of bars patronized by foreign men generally south of fuente osmena (a large traffic circle). these are located on or near osmena boulevard, which is one of cebu’s main thoroughfares. honestly, it has been quite a while since i was in cebu, but i do recall being in what was apparently a branch of the “firehouse” from the edsa complex. at the time there was also a “papillion” go-go bar nearby. cebu doesn’t have quite the range of nightlife as metro manila and the cost of female companionship in cebu tends to be a bit more expensive than in angeles, but cebu does make for a nice change of pace.

the variety of restaurants is not quite as great as that of manila. yet, one needn’t starve in cebu. even a vegetarian can find something if he looks hard enough.

hotels in the city can be cheaper than the resorts on mactan. and, staying in the city keeps one close to the bars. the main drawback with many of the hotels in town is that they lack swimming pools.

conclusion

the philippines, on the whole, provides a reasonable alternative to thailand for western (and asian) men who enjoy the paid company of asian women. to me, the advantages of the pi are that english is widely understood, the local beers are arguably better than those in thailand, closing hours for bars are later than in thailand, and the cost of many things is a bit lower. the disadvantages are that the local food tends to be less appealing than thai cuisine, the culture seems less exotic to many, and crime is more of a problem. moreover, it might be best to avoid the pi whenever election campaigns are in full swing. violence, both political and non-political in nature, seems to spike at such times.

be that as it may, if someday there is major decline in thailand’s naughty nightlife scene, then hopefully the gogo bars and related establishments of the pi will still be there to provide a roughly similar experience for the footloose male.

[QUOTE=Flying Sky High]I made a post yesterday but for some reason it never was posted. I am going to take 60 to 90 days off of my employment and one of the area's of the world I am considering relocating to for this time period is the P.I. I am just looking to relax and live in a tranquil lifestyle for a few months reflecting on some professional changes I am looking to make in my life. I have spent considerable time in the P.I but it has been in the Manila/A.C area with an occasional trip to the likes of Puerto Gallara, Boracay, Palawan, Subic, e.c.t. with my longest stay being 2 weeks. Looking at the economic side of my stay what area of the P.I would I get the most for my peso, referring to finding an apartment or hotel/apartment, occasional mongering, e.c.t.?. As far as living quarters go, I would be looking for cleanliness, air conditioning, and internet access. Thank you in advance for any suggestions or advice.[/QUOTE]

Have a look around here [url]http://www.piatnight.com[/url]

FSH,

Go to Thailand Mate, been to both PI and Thailand. I returned to the Mother land several weeks ago. What started out to be a two Week vacation turned into a 2 month quest of SE Asia's most beautiful women and Thailand won hands down!!! After spending the first 13 days in the PI it was off to Bangkok, Pattaya, and Phuket. This is where I truly found my paradise and inner tranquillity. Thailand will suit you well my friend! Much more infrastructure for one and the ability to travel around SE Asia is much easier.

What is your money situation? How much will you budget for lodging, traveling, food, and mongering? What level of comfort do you need i.e. Air Con, cable, internet, WiFi?

If the PI is your choice, may I suggest Cebu, Davao, Cagayan De Oro, or General Santos in that order.

PM me for more info if you would like.

AM

Thanks SH,

The lady I'm referring to works in MLA at a place that caters to foreigners. Last night she told me she makes 310 a day.

I don't know if you remember, but her and I were dancing at Sunflower one night when you were there.

X

[QUOTE=Spam Hog]Depends on what she does at the hotel, where it is, how much class the place has, obviously a maid at a five star hotel is gonna make more than a pillow at the local "short time". I get the impression that the hotels BB is talking about are "family run" clip joints, that is why the girls are getting away with that crap. In any case I dont think they make much above minumin wage which in the PI is about P140 a day. Depending on the arrangement, if they room there, etc. they may not even make that much.

FYI most of the girls you meet in Gaisano make about that, P135, six days a week ten hour days, they normally only keep them six months as after that benefits attach, they hire a new bunch and turn 'em all over. Only the managerial staff are "permanent". I knew a lady who worked as a maid in Davao's Apo view hotel years ago, she made P90 a day 'course that was a few years back.

With such conditions you can understand why they resort to all sorts of chicanery, some of them are humping the boss and can keep their jobs no matter what.


Regards


Spamhog[/QUOTE]

Tired to go to the girly bar in burgos or Malate, Girls are too aggresive.

Any recommendation of bar in Manila similar to Sticky Finger or Insomia in Hong Kong?

Thanks guy

Lazy to go so far away from Makati.

Tired by the aggresive girl in P.Burgos.

Does any guy know if it is any bar in Makati Area which is similar to Sticky Finger, Dusk till Dawn, or insomia in Hong Kong?

Thank you very much.

[QUOTE=Flying Sky High]I made a post yesterday but for some reason it never was posted. I am going to take 60 to 90 days off of my employment and one of the area's of the world I am considering relocating to for this time period is the P.I. I am just looking to relax and live in a tranquil lifestyle for a few months reflecting on some professional changes I am looking to make in my life. I have spent considerable time in the P.I but it has been in the Manila/A.C area with an occasional trip to the likes of Puerto Gallara, Boracay, Palawan, Subic, e.c.t. with my longest stay being 2 weeks. Looking at the economic side of my stay what area of the P.I would I get the most for my peso, referring to finding an apartment or hotel/apartment, occasional mongering, e.c.t.?. As far as living quarters go, I would be looking for cleanliness, air conditioning, and internet access. Thank you in advance for any suggestions or advice.[/QUOTE]


Fly:

I think your best bet is to look into pensione's these are like small hotels but
are furnished, usually have a small stove/fridge and are rented by the month or so, in CEBU these things run around P8,000 to P10,000, factor in more for MM. Most of what you and I would consider a conventional "apartment" in the PI are normally rented yearly, you MIGHT get six months but normally people want a year lease, period. 3 months deposit is required. Manila is probably the most expensive of all. You can cehck into the classifieds in Manila by pulling up [url]www.philnews.com[/url] open the various papers and go to work, you can also look up buy trade sell .com .ph(????) there was a link posted somewhere on this board but damn if I remember where.

Last, you might just want to get a rate from your hotel for a monthly rental
I did this before for a six week stay and a two month stay respectively.

For Apts, expect to pay somewhere in the neighborhood of P12000 to P15000 monthly or about 300 US for "foreigner class" ie anything decent, you'll see cheaper but these are holes in bad neighborhoods.

good luck


Spamhog

Thanks [i]Flying[/i] and Mattrick for the heads up for the Ph'pines. Does anyone know what it the best [as in cheapest] way to fly there from Europe?

Hi guys,

I am wanting to plan a trip to PI and was wondering where the best place for scuba diving and beautiful woman was located? Anyone who has experiance with this and will offer any information to me would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Blurr9]Hi guys,

I am wanting to plan a trip to PI and was wondering where the best place for scuba diving and beautiful woman was located? Anyone who has experiance with this and will offer any information to me would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]In Puerto Galera, you can find good diving site and street of bar with good quality girl.

[QUOTE=Blurr9]Hi guys,

I am wanting to plan a trip to PI and was wondering where the best place for scuba diving and beautiful woman was located? Anyone who has experiance with this and will offer any information to me would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]


I'm not a die hard diver, been down a few times but I have a few suggestions.
I would start in the south in Davao City, lots of Diving there and a personal friend of mine (Dutch National) is the best guy for a dive safari. He can PADL
you in three days. There are some old ships to go on that have not been fully "done" yet, including a Japanese WW2 supply ship at 300 ft full of goodies.
The dark eyed damsels of Davao are a delight, enough mongering there to keep you busy I suggest you scope the Davao board for specifics, go back a bit too.

Next I would think about Cagayan De Oro area (GREAT FOR MONGERING!!!) from there to Camiguin island, interesting place, you can dive in an old graveyard. From there go to Cebu. Now you have a choice, of course the mongering is well known but you can use that as a base of operation to plan your next move, compare prices etc. Go to Bohol, about 2 hrs by jet boat (Great diving) no mongering or go to Malpasqua or Bantayan (dive is great) by Bus about 3 to 4 hrs, again not much mongering but this is the Phils and its everywhere if you look hard enough. Also from Cebu look into Moalbol.

Great thing about Cebu is you can bring you own sweet little tour guide who will rub your back (or other parts of your anatomy) after a hard day diving in those areas where choice is sparse.

Good luck


Spamhog

[QUOTE=X Man]bb tends to send messages in a "train of thought" method. Sometimes it takes me several reads to figure out what he's saying.

And in this case....he's got my attention.

I just been dating a lady I met at the hotel front desk a year ago. Now she says I'm her soulmate. Yikes....bb....has made me slam on the brakes...

BTW, what does a hotel lady make?

X[/QUOTE]

Think about what I said.What better way to work your ass for cash than at a front desk at a hotel.You learn spending habbits and schedules and everything about a guest.What a great place to conduct monkey business.Please dont think I stay in clipp joints most here have nothing to crow about.After all someone told me about a hotel that was a complete shithole when I was in another city.If they thought the place was a deal They should think again.I think the hotel scamm is a true ANGELES in your face part of life.This place A/C is nothing but a scamm so be ready for anything from anywhere.The local doctors office staff get loaded up on redhorse nearby every night and will do the deal with anyone thats willing to buy the next round.Iam sure the dock gives them a smear test each week like the bar gals get also.Please tell me that this is also a bad dream I am having.ANOTHER DAY ANOTHER LESSION IN THE WAYS OF THE P.I.

B.B...

Yes I do think thank you, and Ifind this much better than a drunken stupor!

AS for general info, I have nothing to add but it is only 11 am so lets see what the day will bring.

STAY SHARP,HAVE FUN AND BE SAFE;


B.B...

I had a deal in the works for another hotel employee and nice gal as I thought.I hooked up with this gal and we went to visit her mom(her day off)

We visited the mom,sister and some verry nice frends for an hour or so.They wanted to do some cooking for me on sunday and I said, why not if you want. This was ok so knowing they had no money I gave 500-p because I wanted to take thet strain off the family who I know has verry little.I also will have my driver and his wife with me and they can also eat.They wanted pancet and I said ok the 500-p is enough for that.I also would bring a fish or two and some yard bird.

After the meeting the relathives and all, myself and the little honey went to meet the grandma where she lives.Along the way we had a plan that was backed up buy the mom moments before.I wanted to meet this gal for dinner,and she said sure and the deal was set.Or so I though.I had given her 300-p for a trike to get to the dinner and buy a load for her phone,"sure why not"You try and look out for your gal right.Thats wrong!!!! after dropping the little shit at her house and meeting the grandma things went sour.

Five minutes after getting in the trike and I was out of sight the games started.She texted me to say she was tired and would I mind if she met me the next time.Ok this was a game for cash they bated the hook and YES I TOOK THE BAIT.Yes only 16 dollars worth, no problem but this is how they work us.Smile at the face and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in the pocket thats the deal.She will be working at my hotel today and I am sure will not be wanting to see me!!I will be waiting to see her smiling face and I also will not be rude.What I will do however is run her ass ragged getting drinks,food,ice,and whatever else I can think of.She will get the full run your ass off treatment in a nice way.I hope she got lots of rest last night and today because she will need it.She also received no money yesterday from a guy that went home so I am sure I was the victom for the day.Fuck me up today,why not.Just wait until the next day when I get my shot.


B.B...

I thought I would put this one in General as there seems to be a great deal of discussion lately about rip offs and This one is in a class by itself;

Local news (Cebu) reported on (National News) Friday about an British national who was found dead in a Colon Street Hotel (read short time flop house). Autopsy reveals Guy died from an overdose of "sleeping potion" admininstered by a "girl he had met" (Read street hooker or freelancer). Of course all his worldly goods were missing. Speculation runs that the girl likely meant to only put enough of the draft in his drink to render him unconcious and then rob him, she miscalculated and gave him the big jolt.

She has not been caught yet but is believed to be working with a "male accomplice" (read pimp (Bugaw) boyfriend). Now one of the reasons I put this post in this thread is over the LA cafe and discussion herein, sounds about right, floosy looking girls being chauffered to "work" by B/F's to releive the cash laden brethern at this notorious pick up joint. Last time I went by La Cafe was in March of 2006, just dropped by to see the action, wouldn;t have touched any of the scags I saw. My impression of the place was the quality of female had dropped downhill a great deal from 2002 when I visitied regualrly there. (Dittos for the old "G spot" which was around the corner and called something else now). The "LA" girls I saw mostly had that beat out look that junkies get. I know for a fact there is a lot of Shabu being sold in the area. Point is these people have access to all sorts of drugs and are lowlifes to begin with, so heads up.

Disturbing gentlemen, as some of you may be aware druging robberies are VERY common in Thailand, with a commesurate amount of dead falangs. They show up in the PI from time to time but not as common, but here you go! Once again never leave a girl you DONT KNOW OR JUST PICKED UP (Freelancers) have free reign in your room, access to your open drinks/food or accept a prepared drink or any drugs from her Dead "Backpackers" by the score in Thailand over this one).

Another scam I've heard about that is making the rounds in Cebu is this one dubbed the "Help me" girl. Works like this:

Big tough foreigner goes to ATM no guards or anyone else around.
he uses the machine, withdraws a tidy sum and turns away to see a small, timid little cutie approach.

"Sir, can you HELP ME please? I dont know how to use ATM machine."

What Gallant could not resist eh?

"Of course my dear" We say, slyly thinking we can get her phone number for perhaps a demonstration of her appreciation later.

So here we go, hunced over the ATM teaching her the intricacies of modern
technology, eyeing her size 32 B chest all the while, completely distracted.
So much so that we dont see her male companion(s) sidle up behind us and
adriotly place a shiv to our kidneys and demand that swag you just withdrew.

Bang, zoom, gone.

My understanding is that the Koreans have been getting knocked over left and right on this one in downtown Cebu. BEWARE.


TO MR JACKSON:

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A THREAD STARTED ENTITLED SCAMS, SCHEMES, RIPS OFFS Etc. To act as a sort of clearing house for all the misdeeds directed at yon brethern in certain monger countries. I have tried to do so but am unsuccessful as not a paying member (Yeah i know a cheap bastard).

Anyone else who is care to take it on? I can supply plenty of material for it.
There we can name names and publish scammers photos, which hotels to avoid etc as a better way to safeguard ourselves.


Regards to All


Spamhog

I had a guard tell me at sannet tower in Makati there are gals doing the sleeping pill thing there also.I saw one guard there go get a gal that walked in to the hotel there.When I asked whats the problem after she left he said she was one of the ones doing the sleeping pill thing.The guards know who is up to what here and beleave me THEY ALL KNOW EACH OTHER!

The problem is they all get something from it I am sure.It's like a can full of cockroache's here and they get to full and spill out from time to time.They are shit and do shit to survive.Stay ahead of the shit watch your back!

B.B...

BB

What's with you? don't like it, get the hell out of there
You are getting darker and darker everyday!
If your boss or your wife isn't there, get out of there but don't ***** because you don't like it.

Many of us go there every year to get out of the stressfull working hell hole and we love it there. It's is a typical country with its + and -. People are poor and sometimes are desperate and would do anything to survive. You also get a ton of that where you are from, the great US of A. Why don't you ***** about that also.

This forum has been around for a long time and mongerers have enjoyed their experiences and wise enough to know what to avoid, but they don't need preaching. They don't need your generalization about things in the Philippines.
In general, Filippinos are great and hospitable people and that includes the majority of the Fields avenue girls and hotel staffs. Why don't you mention them and forget about the few bad apples. I have traveled there many years now and I see a lot of great things but not to be bothered by a few bad seeds.

I've met you once when you arrived and you were OK then. But you have changed with your attitude, something has eaten you up. Maybe you are right about the whole country of the Philippines but no one twisted your arms to be there. There are pussies in other places, try there and tell us about it.

[QUOTE=Bill Buxton]I had a guard tell me at sannet tower in Makati there are gals doing the sleeping pill thing there also.I saw one guard there go get a gal that walked in to the hotel there.When I asked whats the problem after she left he said she was one of the ones doing the sleeping pill thing.The guards know who is up to what here and beleave me THEY ALL KNOW EACH OTHER!

The problem is they all get something from it I am sure.It's like a can full of cockroache's here and they get to full and spill out from time to time.They are shit and do shit to survive.Stay ahead of the shit watch your back!

B.B...[/QUOTE]

Hotel Door guards are a "Must tip"! They are usually the ones that will keep you out of trouble if you select a bad girl. When I stay in AC it's usually at the same place, and I always tip my door guard and ask him to call my room if the girl I bought in was in anyway a bad apple. I mean really! What's p50 a few time during your stay for that type of 411.

Always on the Quest

Yella Man

Before taking a hotel taxi always ask the guard how much it will cost you, or you will find out they will set their own price. These guards are in charge of the taxi's and the drivers will do as they say. Don't leave it to the drivers.

I apologize for not PM you BB

But I just can't stand seeing the forum becoming a Filippinos target pratice place.

BB

So you are robbed by many Filippinos, and I'm robbed out of thousands of dollars by American Corporations. The difference is I leave that country for good and vowed to never return. If I'd stayed there that anger would've chewed me alive. You can do the same.
I was ticked off at your comment about cock roaches because I love that country and the people. They're no angels, but no worse than any of us. I don't trash talk about Americans because some white collar ass holes took my money. People appreciate reporting facts but the hatin' is something else.

I wish you peace brother!

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Does anyone know where Viagra or the other ED drugs could be bought in Manila, Cebu, or Davao. I have heard that some pharmacies will sell them over the counter am but not sure which ones. In previous visits I have been approaced by street vendors in Manila and Angeles selling what looks to be the real thing but I was always leary and never tried any. Possibly someone knows a doctor who sells it on the side and if so feel free to PM me with a contact number.

This post is not intended to slam anyone but merely as a summation of what several of you have been saying in different ways and probably actually agreeing with each other.

Gentlemen, no matter WHERE YOU GO IN THIS WORLD, you run into hustlers,
con men, card sharps, beaters cheaters, the fringe element and downright
criminals. Such persons are drawn by man's greatest foibles, gambling, substance abuse and of course what one chinese philisopher described as
"The Yang's constant hunger for the Yin". He also stated that "An unsatisfied Yang will upset the entire household, so all must acquience and cater to such need for WAH (Harmony) will be acheived only through satisfaction of lust" That guy was a genius.

At various times in history and various venues, certain enclaves were set up to "feed the need". Fuedal Japan established the Yoshiwara, a city made up of brothels, gambling dens and "tea houses" all manner of corteseans high and lo, as well as persons of "dubious integrity" were regulated to such area. Keep 'em in one place so they dont mix with polite society, smart.

The Mafia in a stroke of brilliance established Las Vegas as a place to launder money, look at that place today, or Atlantic city, talk about a place full of hustlers, you think you get a break there? HAH. Of course Mexico has such
hell holes as TIjuana and Ciudad Acuna. BKK its Nanaplaza, HK the Wanchai, we could go on an on but the point is, such enclaves are set up BY HUSTLERS, FOR HUSTLERS it attracts societies er...well...'coarser' elements, as you would expect. Now AC, is just one such place, there are others in The PI, but we'll limit it to that for this example.

Taking notice of what I just said about by and for hustlers, anybody going into that venue HAS to know what to expect, IF YOU RUN IN CERTAIN CIRCLES YOU HAVE TO EXPECT TO BE A MARK! Ie shmuck, dummy, rube, target. THE SYSTEM IS SET UP TO SEPERATE YOU FROM YOU CASH. YOU DONT GET A BREAK YOU DONT GET OVER, IF YOU BREAK EVEN YOU COME OUT AHEAD. If you dont see the danger signs and the pitfalls or ignore them you will surely weep tomorrow.

Generally they take girls from the province who HAVE NO CHOICE and put them under the wing of experienced HUSTLERS to teach 'em the tricks of the trade. They get so indoctrinated that any values they had are stripped away and flushed like old paint. Basically they are ruined. WE ALL KNOW THAT!

YET! Every once in awhile we hear horror stories of some guy who went to AC and fell in love or some crap, he ended up ripped off, fleeced, taken to the cleaners etc. WE DONT LISTEN (Go back to the Chinese Philosopher and the Yang, or thinking with your dick).
Coz see every once in awhile we think WE ARE gonna be the ones to change
Her or the system, that one in a million shot that makes it work. Unrealistic, hustlers, beaters, cheater, con men, junkies, thieves dont change, THEY CHANGE YOU. And usually ruin you in the process.

First time I heard this one was back in the day when I was a teenaged grunt
running down to the local skivy house and banging the 2 dollar 'ho's in some "nam shithole. It came from a crusty old Sgt.

"You can take a girl out of the bar, but you can never take the bar out of the girl".

As i enter my seven consecutive year in Asia, I've seen that statement proven correct again and again. DONT LOOK FOR A WIFE OR COMMITTED RELATIONSHIP IN A BAR OR WITH A HUSTLER.


To sum up, these little morality tales that have been posted serve to remind us of the hustlers creed. Sometimes we need to be brought back into reality.

Yes the Phils has its share of hustlers, you can find them real easy. But you also have a lot of terrific people. Ever hear about the cabbie who turned in a wallet full of money? Or the pedicab driver who turned in an expensive cell phone. That happens everyday.


regards


Spamhog

Respectfully meant. Understand some things about Asia, the system is set up
to serve MEN. You and I may be foreigners, falangs, Ang Mo, Gweilo or Gai Jin, but we are men. Act like it and develop some FACE and that will serve you better than rants, raves, losing your temper etc.

I been reading about this stuff over walking into a bar and having Mamasan or whomever DEMAND that you buy the girl a drink. How you handle that tells these folks alot. Are you some fool to be fleeced or someone who is not to be triffled with. You smile at Mamasan and tell her if that is the rule it is a foolish one, surely it doesn't apply to you and if it does you turn and walk out. Losing your temper, yelling and acting like a foreigner is silly, gets you nothing and will start trouble, YOU WILL LOSE, yet I recall in my mongering days guys doing that. This example someone cited about driving a harley to a bar and going ballistic when some girl sat on it, guy should of had his ass kicked. Talk about an opening? Hell, I would have offered to take her for a ride if she liked the bike so much, got her number then sniffed the seat later.
If the guy had a brain he would have grabbed some street kid and told him to guard his bike and gave the kid an outlandish tip.

Understand that Filipinos see those of us running the bars and playing with the "Boricut" as jerks, trampling on our own dignity and soiling ourselves with those beneath us. that is one reason they feel no onus about ripping you off if given the chance as you "deserve it". They enjoy making a fool out of you.

This was said to me by a Thai, but you can apply it in any country. Guy was a good friend and a straight shooter, one time he asked me why "We" behaved the way we did, going into bars are getting these low class upcountry Isan peasant girls with "monkey faces" for which we were over charged and made fools of? "Dont you understand is bad for you face?"
Get better class of girl and dont go in such low class bar.

Remember that the system is set up to SERVE you and to PLEASE you. HER JOB, WHOMEVER "SHE" IS IS TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE HAPPY. Anything or anyone that does not is disgarded IMMEDIATELY, no anger, no fuss, smile and demand (Politely) satisfaction and performance especially for anything you have paid for.

BB I read all about that girl and the Sunday feast with the family. Wished the hell it was me in that situation. I would have showed up at the house unannounced (Not bringing anything since I paid for it) with a certain amount of finesse but the firm message being "I dont care how tired YOU are, IM hungry and YOU invited me I paid for this and Im entitled to your hospitality and to be served, so where's my plate please? I would have laid a "mano Po' on grandma and made somebody go fetch something special from the bakery for her and maybe a snort of tanduay special for daddy. In Short, be charming, well mannered and polite win the family over and you trump the little strumpet. Afterwards i would have told her not to call me again, I decided I dont like you, never mind the reason.


Regards


Spamhog

All,

I will be in Phils in a few days, and for tax reasons have to return for the states at the [b]end[/b] of the month, not earlier. This means I will have to overstay my standard three week visa. I know I can go through the hassle of extending the visa in Manila, but what will they do if I just overstay a few days? In Nepal they just charged you a nominal fine and let you go your way.

My other option is to fly to JKT for a few days, but I already have a flight out of Phils back to the USA, and do not want to complicate things too much...

Thanks in advance... - 2J

Spam Hog,

Your last two post were spot on. It's all about how you carry yourself in the country you are visiting. Unfortunately, many foreigners live up to the expectations of the people of the host country they are visiting by continuously acting in ways that they normally wouldn't act in their on country...VERY STUPID! I'm American and I see it all the time here in Korea. The Koreans expect Americans to act arrogant, bullish and to start trouble when ever they arrive in clubs in large numbers, so they place a lot of clubs and other places off limits to us unless we have a Korean escort. Most of the time, rightfully so. Like I always say, "You can place 40 drunk Koreans on a bus for four hours without having any fights or problems, but take five drunk Americans and place them on the same bus for ten minutes and see what happens." I love my country, but in all fairness my countrymen have caused us to be resented around the world for our arrogant and sometimes childish or brutish behavior. Act like a gentlemen and you'll be treated as such. Once your behind closed doors with the lady of your dreams for that particular evening, you can make all the freaky requests that you like. If she likes you, she'll take you up on them, and then call or text you later for repeated sessions. Again, excellent posts Spam Hog.

Always on the Quest

Yella Man

[QUOTE=Spam Hog]Respectfully meant. Understand some things about Asia, the system is set up
to serve MEN. You and I may be foreigners, falangs, Ang Mo, Gweilo or Gai Jin, but we are men. Act like it and develop some FACE and that will serve you better than rants, raves, losing your temper etc.

I been reading about this stuff over walking into a bar and having Mamasan or whomever DEMAND that you buy the girl a drink. How you handle that tells these folks alot. Are you some fool to be fleeced or someone who is not to be triffled with. You smile at Mamasan and tell her if that is the rule it is a foolish one, surely it doesn't apply to you and if it does you turn and walk out. Losing your temper, yelling and acting like a foreigner is silly, gets you nothing and will start trouble, YOU WILL LOSE, yet I recall in my mongering days guys doing that. This example someone cited about driving a harley to a bar and going ballistic when some girl sat on it, guy should of had his ass kicked. Talk about an opening? Hell, I would have offered to take her for a ride if she liked the bike so much, got her number then sniffed the seat later.
If the guy had a brain he would have grabbed some street kid and told him to guard his bike and gave the kid an outlandish tip.

Understand that Filipinos see those of us running the bars and playing with the "Boricut" as jerks, trampling on our own dignity and soiling ourselves with those beneath us. that is one reason they feel no onus about ripping you off if given the chance as you "deserve it". They enjoy making a fool out of you.

This was said to me by a Thai, but you can apply it in any country. Guy was a good friend and a straight shooter, one time he asked me why "We" behaved the way we did, going into bars are getting these low class upcountry Isan peasant girls with "monkey faces" for which we were over charged and made fools of? "Dont you understand is bad for you face?"
Get better class of girl and dont go in such low class bar.

Remember that the system is set up to SERVE you and to PLEASE you. HER JOB, WHOMEVER "SHE" IS IS TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE HAPPY. Anything or anyone that does not is disgarded IMMEDIATELY, no anger, no fuss, smile and demand (Politely) satisfaction and performance especially for anything you have paid for.

BB I read all about that girl and the Sunday feast with the family. Wished the hell it was me in that situation. I would have showed up at the house unannounced (Not bringing anything since I paid for it) with a certain amount of finesse but the firm message being "I dont care how tired YOU are, IM hungry and YOU invited me I paid for this and Im entitled to your hospitality and to be served, so where's my plate please? I would have laid a "mano Po' on grandma and made somebody go fetch something special from the bakery for her and maybe a snort of tanduay special for daddy. In Short, be charming, well mannered and polite win the family over and you trump the little strumpet. Afterwards i would have told her not to call me again, I decided I dont like you, never mind the reason.


Regards


Spamhog[/QUOTE]

Although I would add that we are all the same regardless of nationality and, to a large degree, sex.

Sometimes we seem different but thats due to experiences and environment. If you grow up in the west you have it easier and don't have to hustle much if you don't want to. if you grow up in Asia, you don't have so many safety nets so do have to hustle more to survive.

The guys who complain about the girls they meet; how would YOU behave if you were that girl? How would YOU behave if you were treated as a cheap ***** just to be used?

If YOU were a girl from the provinces of PI, with not much education and with your looks and sex being possibly your greatest assets what would YOU do? Be all meek and just accept your poor situation hoping to meet that knight in shining armour? We all know he doesn't exist!

Hustling is just a part of life. If you're a salesman, have your own business, are self-employed, are trying to scale the corporate ladder, etc. don't you hustle as well?? Does that make you a bad person?

Being wise is essential but being cynical is not.

Expect the worse from someone and they will probably prove you right. Expect the best and they might just justify that expectation.

In my business, when someone thinks I'm hustling them I will get every cent I can from them. Otherwise I'm very fair.

Too many people go around with the attitude that they are victims and are just waiting to be proved right. They don't remember the years of fun and happiness thay got from a marriage but only remember now the messy divorce. And if there were no years of fun and happiness, then you were just acting as a victim and deserve all you got.

Too jaded

Around 50 at a travel agency would get you another month or two, don't waste your precious time running around. You need it to pick the right "melons."

Gentlemen

Sorry I started the whole thing. Let's get back to what this forum is for, and that is to share our good times. Most guys in this world would never dream of doing what we do, pussy huntin'.

[QUOTE=Too Jaded]All,

IT his means I will have to overstay my standard three week visa ... I know I can go through the hassle of extending the visa in Manila, but what will they do if I just overstay a few days?[/QUOTE]TJ:

My tiny little piece of advice would be, "never ever overstay in the Philippines"! Believe you me, some of the basically very friendly immigration officers might become very unpleasant when you stay too long in the promised land! That it was just for two short days or so does not really matter!

By the way, extending your visa in Manila is no big deal and certainly no hassle (anymore)! Simply pay the express fee and within 3 hours you have the visa in you passport. Or, go to a travel agency like Columpuss recommends. Maybe your hotel can do the needful as well! But, brother, please play safe and do not invite any useless trouble!

Have a great time!

Hesekiels

Spamhog, your advise seems sound, and you obviously speak from vast experience, you have me curious, if your willing to share, how your search/selection/settling down with Ms Spamhog came about?


[QUOTE=Spam Hog]Respectfully meant. Understand some things about Asia, the system is set up
to serve MEN. You and I may be foreigners, falangs, Ang Mo, Gweilo or Gai Jin, but we are men. Act like it and develop some FACE and that will serve you better than rants, raves, losing your temper etc.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dafacer]Spamhog, your advise seems sound, and you obviously speak from vast experience, you have me curious, if your willing to share, how your search/selection/settling down with Ms Spamhog came about?[/QUOTE]As the fairy tale princess said "You gotta kiss a lot of toads before you find your prince." I had been through some doozies, Thai and Filipina as well as others from al lwalks of life, and so had she. She was trying to meet Mr. Right on the chat lines and getting tired of the Yutz parade and guys asking to see her tits. We were introduced by a third party, guy I knew, also married to a Filipina and living in the Phils. It was a casual meeting and we were both only half interested, but we stayed in touch. Interesting to note, our "Romance" started as more of a friendship. I just got into it in another thread for X man who thinks he might have a special one. But some of the deciding factors was she was older (30), life had knocked her around a bit and made her into a somewhat strong woman, never hit me up for money, she was also the most honest person I ever met, that was proven to me many times in different ways, so out of character for me at the time, I was honest back. Refreshing as most Filipina usually told me a sack load of lies, even the "nice" ones, of course I lied right back so there ya go, a good lesson in itself.

regards

Spamhog

Yella man, one rarely sees the Web Scam girls working the Koreans, they aren't fools to part with their money coz sweetie needs tuition, has a sick pig or daddy needs a hemoroid operation. While you are correct about how brustish, silly and childish "we" sometimes act, I find it interesting about using Koreans as an example. In the USA Koreans are known for their upstanding law abiding hard work and integrity. But what I have noticed is that in the Phils, there is a distrubing amount of negative incidents involving Koreano. A local filipino attorney friend of mine claims that 50% of his practise is defending Koreans in court on shoplifting charges and those involved in drunken brawls. A few weeks before Xmas it was all over the news how two Koreans were arrested for strong arm robbing a local Cabbie. Last night Cebu news local reported on the arrest of a Korean national for possession of drugs and three firearms. I can recall several incidents in the news and otherwise of Koreans arrested for illegal recruitment, smuggling of various kinds and other mischief. No I'm not anti Korean but the moral of the story is, I suppose that being a jerk is not limited to westerners. Consider this also. When Westerners are involved in scams, hustles and grifting, it far outweighs any thing these little scheming jezebels come up with to nick you out of a few hundred pesos.

Some of the biggest crooks over here are my fellow Americans, with a goodly showing of Europeans et al thrown in. These are the characters who come up with the phony land swindles, cockeyed investments, selling the non existant bar or business or everyones favorite the so called "treasure hunters" whose primary product is often the infamous "Mindanao lead sandwich" a thin coating of gold over a lead bar "just unearthed" of course. Or the counterfeiters, hang around in a bar long enough you'll meet one a these characters. when they get you, they get you for thousands, not nickle dime stuff.

Compared to these dudes, give me a bar girl who suddenly develops her menses after fining or wants a lavish tip for a lackluster head job anyday.


Regards to all

Spamhog

Very good points again, Spam Hog.

When I worked in Bangladesh, I became friends with a European who lived there. He then one day (with his mates) tried to pull off a con trick on me (tried to steal money in a very clumsy way).

That's why I say that hustling isn't limited to any particular race or creed, but is just a normal way of life.

[QUOTE=Spam Hog]Compared to these dudes, give me a bar girl who suddenly develops her menses after fining or wants a lavish tip for a lackluster head job anyday.[/QUOTE]Amen to that!

Double standard

The guy in the suit robs you out of thousands, he's a good businessman.
The brown girl in AC does it for a few pesos, she's the scum of society.
I often observe this thinking in people, not racism, but human nature.

I traveled quite a bit to poor countries and always am generous and courteous to those around. Soon enough they will give you all the pointers about what to avoid as far as scams. They will watch your back also. The guard in one of the bars always reminded me to put my wallet in my front pocket instead of back. I listen but often disregard its importance until I heard that there is a gang of pick-pocketers roaming a mall in AC and I suddenly remember his words.

Being generous I mean not giving lavish tips and such. This is my gimmick of breaking the ice with people. I usually travel around with a huge bottle of tylenol pain killer, with tooth ache and minor cold are common with people there, these pills are great ambassadors.

Filipinos are friendly and not afraid to ask you for things once they know you. It is a shock for many reserved Westerners. Keep in mind that they don't hate you if you say no. It is as normal to them as Westerners not asking others for things.

Great points by spam hog and others, you guys can go anywhere in this world with that mind set.

Spam Hog,

Your absolutely right! It seems that some people in general from all countries lose their sense of honesty, integrity, and respect for others when they leave their own countries, and deplane in Manila or wherever else in the Phils. Acting as if none of the rules they have lived by previously apply anymore. I travel there repeatedly to monger and have fun...always watching my back, and never trusting very many people I meet. Fortunately, it has been a recipe for success because I've had no problems with the people, and I have never been scammed by a girl. Of course I get the occasional request for money for the sick family member, rent, food, tuition or whatever else they can think of, but mostly I politely decline to give it to them, while continuing to be the nice guy that I am as I extract myself from the situation. You live, you learn.

Always on the Quest

Yella Man

No I'm not anti Korean but the moral of the story is, I suppose that being a jerk is not limited to westerners. Consider this also. When Westerners are involved in scams, hustles and grifting, it far outweighs any thing these little scheming jezebels come up with to nick you out of a few hundred pesos.

Some of the biggest crooks over here are my fellow Americans, with a goodly showing of Europeans et al thrown in. These are the characters who come up with the phony land swindles, cockeyed investments, selling the non existant bar or business or everyones favorite the so called "treasure hunters" whose primary product is often the infamous "Mindanao lead sandwich" a thin coating of gold over a lead bar "just unearthed" of course.


Regards to all

Spamhog[/QUOTE]

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Couple of months ago had a gal meet me at Cafe Havana, she was coming from Cavite. The cab driver did not turn the meter on and tried to scam her for about 500p. She got out of the cab, raised hell, then threatened to call the police. The cab driver quickly settled on a reasonable fare.

I told her it happened to me a few times, she replied: "yea, but I am a Phillipino and he was trying to do it to me."

We (foreigners)are more of a target, but bottom feeders feed on anything.

BB,

No smoke blown! I can say without a doubt I have never been scammed. If your talking about the round eye tax and all the other shit that most foreigners have to put up with in this country, then your right. But I don't consider that being scammed because we all except the extra charges as a fact of life here. The longer you stay, the better off you are on dealing with the locals and getting a better rate on whatever it is you seek. Mostly it doesn't hurt us because the service, whatever it is, is still cheap. Your flame was unnecessary. If your so unhappy in this country, then get the hell out and go home. Me? I'll take the Phils any day over the good old USA! And don't forget William, your only one mans opinion...your not a friggin' scholar on the affairs and happenings of everything that goes on in the Philippines every day, although you do add some useful information from time to time. Mostly, I see your posts as negative and demeaning to the Filipino people. Like I said, don't like it? Then get the Hell out!

Always on the Quest

Yella Man

To start listing a litany of where the Philippines is more corrupt or less efficient than the US is like a Filipino going to the States and moaning over the way there are too many restrictive laws, too much tax or something else.

I was there for 3 weeks recently and never had a problem or argument with the locals. BUT I did TWICE with an European and an African. The European because he wanted to take up three seats on a long-distance bus for himself and his European girlfriend.

Maybe he thought that the bus makers shouldn’t have made the seats so narrow (after all, they are wider in HIS far-better-in-so-many-ways country), or maybe he thought they shouldn’t have allowed such over crowding on the bus (would have been totally illegal in HIS far-better-in-so-many-ways country), or whatever it was that made him think that despite there being so many people in the aisle that some had to hang out of the doors, he and his GF were entitled to an extra seat for themselves.

Due to the over-crowding, everyone was in great spirits on the bus. There was much laughter, the cracking of jokes and then cheering when we went round corners.

All of course except three people, myself and the other two westerners. The only three westerners on the bus and now having an argument over my insisting that the guy move over so that I could sit down and have my (Filipino) girlfriend sit on my lap (she was too intimidated by the guy to sit there herself, as were the others on the bus).

I never saw the locals have an argument in my three weeks.

So what the taxis SOMETIMES try to over-charge you? All you have to do is ask them to turn the meter on, and most will, or tell them to stop the cab and take the next one. SO WHAT?

The taxi fares are ridiculously cheap anyway while gas isn’t that much cheaper then the states. These guys are working for peanuts. You and I would laugh if anyone suggested we work for even twice that rate, even if we lived in the Philippines.

You feel hard done by because you get charged a bit more in places then the local sales girl who earns $6 a day. You are a jerk. Your Filipino girlfriend must be desperate, and I pity her.

Go back home ASAP and go back to moaning about your delivered newspaper getting wet or the local store changing the location of the tomato sauce bottles. Go and find another crusade.

You’re not helping anyone here. You’re just spreading negativity.

No one forces anyone to go to the Philippines or anywhere else. I wish to god that these jerks who have to shout and make a scene in the internet café because the connection is so slow, or just love the way they can throw their (considerable) weight around in foreign countries would get the heck home because I’ll take a local small time wannabe hustler any day over arrogant, aggressive, obnoxious and anti-social behavior.

Having been in Phils some time and knowing many Filipinos, I can say taxi drivers are generally honest. They will try and charge a bit extra if traffic is very bad and they have to pay for gas and taxi rental. Also if they have to go to remote areas and get no return fare. Those charging far too much do so as much to Filipinos as they do to foreigners. Just make sure meter is on. If traffic is very heavy (rush hour) then expect to pay say 20% more. If excessive, just get out and get another taxi. That is Common Practice. Ideally have a good idea of what the fare should be to your destination. Ask the hotel or others to get this info.

On hotels charging 8% on credit cards, that is done by those places trying to get paid in cash so they do not have to pay VAT and other taxes. Most established hotels in Manila don't do that and about 50% of private owned 'resorts' do so.

Scammed or not, it is life. Some get more than others and life sucks in general. Everyone here appreciate reporting and warnings about them just as we appreciate the reporting of pussy conquests.

Most of my expriences in the PIs are great but I don't dare posting my sunshine stories days in and days out, let alone, whine a about my mishaps.

BB, you mentioned about your lived and lost and that you're are reporting the cold hard facts from the frontline and that some of the mongerers here are blowing smoke.

Dude! everyone here have lived and lost, that's why we left it behind for some pleasures in life. AC is not Bahdag. It's pussy heaven. Some here see things more in positive manners than others but that's not blowing smoke guy. You are more fortunate than most of us here to have stayed there for months now and what the hell is so harsh about your life. You tell us what is so rough about staying in a hotel, not having to work for months and with the price of an oil change in the US, you can get a girl for the night.Try to whine about that to the men and women in Irag who have literally lived and lost or to the Filipinos who have dulled their fingernails from scratching out a daily living in AC. Be real and be in context dude!

Why is it that everyone there tried to steal from you or treat you unfairly? Because you bring the knife to the table every time. You gave us some useful information about visa extension, and that's great, but why do you have to be so defensive about that? You're losing it guy, and that's just a thread of evidence.

Has anyone seen or heard from brother Good Enough in this forum. Gone awol for a while now.

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Bill Buxton I understand what you are saying, I just wouldn't have put it as bluntly as you. People trying to cheat me seems to the norm there. I use to think I might want to retire there someday but I just can't see it now. I just don't think I could live in an atmosphere of this kind of corruption where nobody can be trusted. It reminds me of Mexico where I was once told that there is a Mexican price and a gringo price for everything and that's the way it is. This meaning that I have to understand and accept that I should and will be cheated. It seems the same in the Philippines. And as for people telling you that if you don't like it to stay home, you don't have to do that. It's a big world and you can simply go to another country. I made my first trip to northern Thailand last month and liked it very much. You might too.

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Now back to business, 2 pussies walking into a bar ..............

Tuesday, January 09, 2007
HIV-positive man sexually active?
By Grace L. Plata

EXTRA caution is being asked of the public after City Hall was alerted to the presence of a foreigner said to be positive of the Human Immuno-deficiency Syndrome (HIV), the virus responsible for AIDS, who is sexually active and refuses to use protection in his encounters with local women.

The City Hall received e-mail reports from police intelligence regarding this Caucasian man who is said to be a long-term resident of the Philippines with a tourist or balikbayan visa but who does not have a work permit or a marriage contract to support his balikbayan visa.

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The report said the man has at some periods stayed in Davao, Surigao, Butuan, Gingoog, and Cagayan de Oro.

The foreigner is described to be around 5'3" in height, in his mid-fifties, has brown eyes and a heavy body build, with short hair, and clean shaven. He has lots of tattoos and drives a motorcycle with a Philippine license.

The man is also said to be intelligent and manipulative with a history of pay-offs to the police and other Philippine authorities. Also, that he has a criminal record in his country.

Sightings of the said foreigner should be reported to the police and other local authorities.

That's funny BW, for we all know asian rain

They'll get who ever the guy is because there aren't too many 5'3" caucasian men walking around out there.

Before Xmas at SM mall Cebu, I noticed a Very short White guy, lots of tattoos, guy stood out as he was animated and well... kinda racous, reminded me of a "miniature biker" short stubble hair. Whoever this Guy is he's a menace out there spreading AIDES, this is what gives "us" a bad name among the locals.

Be careful

Spamhog

Please advise of legality of the below and potential success. I am NOT advocating this, just trying to find out the 411.

A mid 30s to mid 40s year old guy has spent about 1.5 years of the past 3 in the phils, well cebu to be precise.

He's sociable, well educated, "presentable", good looks in both Asia or the West.

He's spent a lot of money hanging out and bar-fining in Cebu. He pretty much knows how the girls in bars think there and how the whole scene operates there.

Question: What if he were to go to Bangkok where I guess you can say P2P is quasi-legal with 3 or 4 top choice bar-girls-- 9s-- from higher/very high end bars in cebu and then hang out in expensive hotel bars and help them hook up with costumers using his own ability to "connect" with the guys in these hotels.

You could think of some bad names for what this guy is doing. However, when it comes down to it he is seving the same function as:
1: a Westerner that opens and runs a bar in Bangkok
2: A Westerner that runs an Escort agency in any number of countries.

Thanks mates!

Ok, whatch-all think.

You could have something there Wander Luster. The only way you'll find out if it works is to actually put the plan into action. I know the Thai men are always interested in beautiful light skinned foreign women. But pussy is pussy. If it looks great in one country, then it'll probably look great to the men in another country. They went crazy over my Korean wife (ex) years back. You would probably have to worry about the local mafia/strongmen becoming aware of what your doing. I don't think they would take too kindly to being cut-out of the profits as you move in on their turf.

Always on the Quest

Yella Man




[QUOTE=Wander Luster]Please advise of legality of the below and potential success. I am NOT advocating this, just trying to find out the 411.

A mid 30s to mid 40s year old guy has spent about 1.5 years of the past 3 in the phils, well cebu to be precise.

He's sociable, well educated, "presentable", good looks in both Asia or the West.

He's spent a lot of money hanging out and bar-fining in Cebu. He pretty much knows how the girls in bars think there and how the whole scene operates there.

Question: What if he were to go to Bangkok where I guess you can say P2P is quasi-legal with 3 or 4 top choice bar-girls-- 9s-- from higher/very high end bars in cebu and then hang out in expensive hotel bars and help them hook up with costumers using his own ability to "connect" with the guys in these hotels.

You could think of some bad names for what this guy is doing. However, when it comes down to it he is seving the same function as:
1: a Westerner that opens and runs a bar in Bangkok
2: A Westerner that runs an Escort agency in any number of countries.

Thanks mates!

Ok, whatch-all think.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wander Luster]Please advise of legality of the below and potential success. I am NOT advocating this, just trying to find out the 411.

A mid 30s to mid 40s year old guy has spent about 1.5 years of the past 3 in the phils, well cebu to be precise.

He's sociable, well educated, "presentable", good looks in both Asia or the West.

He's spent a lot of money hanging out and bar-fining in Cebu. He pretty much knows how the girls in bars think there and how the whole scene operates there.

Question: What if he were to go to Bangkok where I guess you can say P2P is quasi-legal with 3 or 4 top choice bar-girls-- 9s-- from higher/very high end bars in cebu and then hang out in expensive hotel bars and help them hook up with costumers using his own ability to "connect" with the guys in these hotels.

You could think of some bad names for what this guy is doing. However, when it comes down to it he is seving the same function as:
1: a Westerner that opens and runs a bar in Bangkok
2: A Westerner that runs an Escort agency in any number of countries.

Thanks mates!

Ok, whatch-all think.[/QUOTE]

I think your problem would be is that you could be seen as a procurer and that is generally quashed in most countries. That is why the barfined system is used, is it not?

[QUOTE=Wander Luster]Please advise of legality of the below and potential success. I am NOT advocating this, just trying to find out the 411.

A mid 30s to mid 40s year old guy has spent about 1.5 years of the past 3 in the phils, well cebu to be precise.

He's sociable, well educated, "presentable", good looks in both Asia or the West.

He's spent a lot of money hanging out and bar-fining in Cebu. He pretty much knows how the girls in bars think there and how the whole scene operates there.

Question: What if he were to go to Bangkok where I guess you can say P2P is quasi-legal with 3 or 4 top choice bar-girls-- 9s-- from higher/very high end bars in cebu and then hang out in expensive hotel bars and help them hook up with costumers using his own ability to "connect" with the guys in these hotels.

You could think of some bad names for what this guy is doing. However, when it comes down to it he is seving the same function as:
1: a Westerner that opens and runs a bar in Bangkok
2: A Westerner that runs an Escort agency in any number of countries.

Thanks mates!

Ok, whatch-all think.[/QUOTE]



That advice from one who has lived, worked and of course mongered in Thailand. There are, in fact, a number of westerners in this "business". Some of them are Russians (read mobsters) who pimp blond women to Asian men. I knew of some Nigerians who, along with running golden triangle drugs, were supplying top quality girls to police and officials as "payment" to look the other way, Asians and Blonds/redheads. What all this means is there are westerners who are doing this and they are not the "friendly business atmosphere" types nor do they like competition. They are boy scouts compared to the Thai syndicates that have a lock on such matters. So you would be doing this at your own peril.

Technically, prostitution in Thailand is ILLEGAL, just as it is in the Phils. You would be fracturing all kinds of international laws about "trafficking" the U.N is on a crusade about. YOU WILL BE FOUND OUT OR RATTED OUT as That is Thailand and you can expect the BKK police to take a hefty share, or, if working with any of the aforementioned bad guys they will enact a "Thai solution". You might get away with it if you kept it to a small circle of clients whom you trust with girls whom you trust (Yeah right).

Personally, I would go with a bar in Pattaya or go down to Phuket and
see if you can rent a place and work out it out of there, I lived in Phuket for awhile and ran a small boat service, considered buying a resturaunt and having a few girls work for me, hefty payoffs to police but they are not as bad as the BKK bandits with badges. big hassel IMHO.

Think about doing the same in Hong Kong or better yet Macau with all the gambling places opening up.

Be careful out there

Regards

Spamhog

Agree with SH, You HOPE the police or NGOs get you before the Russian mobsters. LOTS of guys have had delusions of funding their mongering lifestyle by working in the sex industry but very few succeed. Just like drugs, where there is big money there is also big danger.

I wish you luck, but be VERY careful.

Good or not the info I post is straight on. I will tell you no one guy here has all the right info. The place is up to the guy driving the car, the girl, the boat. Each experence here is a little different. Just like people, you never get the same anywhere.

I would like to say spend your own money and time here and make your own decision about this country. You will be the judge and jury after you live it here more than a week.

Bar fines, need I say anything more than it's a wonderful thing. You will find there are differences in service in the gals. I had a bf last week 7-8 is the right total number. The thing is only 1 was worth the repete session. She was wonderful and got compensated 2000-p for her performance thats a tip. She did everything she said she would do and she was great. She was happy, passionate, loving a great gf experence. The others went out of the bar layed down did the deal and wanted to go home. Thats what I am saying you never know what you get when you get the smiling gal from the bar. They all want the cash but often times do not want to give us what we are paying for.

I would also like to say 85% of the bf gals are hands down better than the ones at home gf or not. We pay 300 plus dollars per hour at home and they just barely get the job done most of the time. Could be I have stayed here too long complaning about bad service for 25 dollars for the whole night. Could be that all I am looking for is good service and simply doing at the hotel they said they would do. Thats all I don't ask for anything more than just what is agreed on prior to the deal. Asking too much? I don't think so, Just getting what I am paying for.

One gal got a great tip and some others got trike money thats the difference in me, thats the difference in them.

FACTS 101.

You can get a gal good or bad anywhere here. The service is all in what you as the customer wants. You and I both know what we want so you work your own deals. The gals all get half the price of the bf without a tip in the morning when they go home. I have found that a good tip 10-20 us is a shoe in fore a repete performance. No tip is a not a sure thing for a second time. Ladies drinks get you conversation with the perspective honey and I allways ask the questions about what I want for the night. If they agree they get the night out and dinner and vip treatment by me. Please know that the gal gets 50-p and the bar 100-p for each ladies dring we buy. I generaly ask before I buy a drink if she wants a bf and if no gets on drink or only one. No bar or gal will make us buy a drink before the gal goes bf thats a fact. Remember that after you get the gal for bf you need to check the bill for what you are paying for drink prices. The price for adrink is then a local price not a ladies drink. This meens you and the gal drink the same as what joe blow pays off the street. I would like to say that for safety reasons meening service safety, I after the bf would go directly to the hotel for service. If the service is good then go bar hopping or to dinner with your one pop out of the way. Many times they want the barhop first and after they ae drunk the service is bad or none at all.

I am giving my pearls here and if you all get some helpful tips here ok if not thats ok also. After all you all know what you can and do spend so you be the judge if you are prepared to spend the long dollar or get to the point as cheep as possable.

B. B.

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Bill B, you summed it all up man - 100%! All the world over, people are different and each experience varies to some degree from the previous one, and there is no such thing as a free lunch! Bargirls or not, if you treat them well and tip or pay reasonably, it will come back to you with bonuses as a great GFE. If you treat them bad or are extra cheap, you have only yourself to blame if the night is not to your liking.

Enjoy your insights Bill! Keep up the good work!

Cheers,

Pete

[QUOTE=Spam Hog]That advice from one who has lived, worked and of course mongered in Thailand. There are, in fact, a number of westerners in this "business". Some of them are Russians (read mobsters) who pimp blond women to Asian men. I knew of some Nigerians who, along with running golden triangle drugs, were supplying top quality girls to police and officials as "payment" to look the other way, Asians and Blonds/redheads. What all this means is there are westerners who are doing this and they are not the "friendly business atmosphere" types nor do they like competition. They are boy scouts compared to the Thai syndicates that have a lock on such matters. So you would be doing this at your own peril.

Technically, prostitution in Thailand is ILLEGAL, just as it is in the Phils. You would be fracturing all kinds of international laws about "trafficking" the U.N is on a crusade about. YOU WILL BE FOUND OUT OR RATTED OUT as That is Thailand and you can expect the BKK police to take a hefty share, or, if working with any of the aforementioned bad guys they will enact a "Thai solution". You might get away with it if you kept it to a small circle of clients whom you trust with girls whom you trust (Yeah right).

Personally, I would go with a bar in Pattaya or go down to Phuket and
see if you can rent a place and work out it out of there, I lived in Phuket for awhile and ran a small boat service, considered buying a resturaunt and having a few girls work for me, hefty payoffs to police but they are not as bad as the BKK bandits with badges. big hassel IMHO.

Think about doing the same in Hong Kong or better yet Macau with all the gambling places opening up.

Be careful out there

Regards

Spamhog[/QUOTE]


The key with this is Trust. Any number of people on here could do something like what I propose. But it's true that if you have nasty guys on the fringes that could do bad to you and it could be twisted so that you are "trafficking" when that is not quit what I have in mind, then this is just a BAD idea.

Then their is of course trust with a paying guy. There is trust with girls from the Phils.

I'm a risk taker, not doing well financially right now, but not will to be stupid for money and fun. If I grew up in poverty, and was desperate for money, this risk might be more conceivable. But part of the point is that I don't look like a drug trafficer or a guy from Africa involved in shady trade. And I do look educated and am someone that's held good jobs. I can "fit in" with guys that are willing to pay big bucks for the best of the best right at their doorstep-- in a hotel bar.

The only way I could see this working is:
I do not handle money from a guy. He can pay a girl in a room. BUT when she gives me money then I'm part of a transaction. That seems like a problem! There is not much I have to trust her for if I know her in the Phils enough to know her family. I don't think she would stiff me too easily if I ask for a portion of the money upon return. Then there is the chance that a girl tries to turn against me and makes up some story. But it would be my word against hers. She wouldn't do it in BKK-- it's more foreign to her than to me.

As far as someone that I introduce to a fabulous babe from the Phils, I think I would have to make it clear that the person is just a traveling companion and I am no more or less (which is not exactly true). What is my obligation to the girls so if the guy is a Psycho I can help them out? Maybe she can text me if she's in a really bad situation and I am just the traveling friend that comes to be whatever help I can. And he would know that he really should behave him self because these girls deserve it (my attitude in general with ANY P2P situation).

BKK is such a big place. If I make trips there with 3 girls for 3 weeks at a time, and I DON'T have regular costumers for them who could start telling "bad guys" in the city about me and I DON't frequent the same places, well maybe then it's safe-ish.

The only reason I even think of BKK first is that it SEEMS most lax with it's P2P, but I don't know a lot about what goes on behind the scenes there. In Cebu, for example, if you are caught (and it usually happens from the guys you DON"T pay off who come down from Manila and the Federal this or that law agency) you will be in jail for a VERY long time. By "caught" I'm thinking of Mama Sans who I know of who are or were going to be sentenced to massive jail terms, but I think all bar owners know enough to pretent they know nothing of any of the girls working for them doing P2P. They would never let themselves be drawn in as "conected". My guess is they can say a "bar fine" is not for sex.

Singapore? I don't want to guess the penalty. Hong Kong, again I have no idea what the Chinese would do if they decide you have indeed been involved in P2P.

But when I was in BKK not too long ago, it seemed that freelancers were everywhere and not at all concerned about the cops. So if that's the case, and I am merely acting as a friend introducing them ...and they later ask for money...well that's why BKK seemed logical.

I would never invest in a bar. Everyone is doing that, and this has advantages that bars don't.

More advice, even just for arguments sake...appreciated.

I sometimes get email messages from someone who is doing something similar to what you mention here. I delete the mail, but if you PM me with your email address, I'll forward it to you the next time it comes.

X


[QUOTE=Wander Luster]
guys that are willing to pay big bucks for the best of the best right at their doorstep-- in a hotel bar.

The only way I could see this working is:
I do not handle money from a guy. He can pay a girl in a room. BUT when she gives me money then I'm part of a transaction.
[/QUOTE]

Hi Guys,

Thinking about going to Boracay from Manila for a couple of days and perhaps stay at the Boracay Tropics Resort.

Could anyone tell me if

1) There is much action in Boracay in the way of girlie bars i.e any problem picking up a cutie for the night OR should we bring a girl with us from Manila?

2) Can anyone recommend a cool and nice place to stay in Boracay preferably near the beach or somewhere a nice cutie would enjoy staying?

Hope someone can help.

Thanks,

Jon

[QUOTE=Johnny Wynne]Hi Guys,

Thinking about going to Boracay from Manila for a couple of days and perhaps stay at the Boracay Tropics Resort.

Could anyone tell me if

1) There is much action in Boracay in the way of girlie bars i.e any problem picking up a cutie for the night OR should we bring a girl with us from Manila?

2) Can anyone recommend a cool and nice place to stay in Boracay preferably near the beach or somewhere a nice cutie would enjoy staying?

Hope someone can help.

Thanks,

Jon[/QUOTE]Hi Johnny,

I am sorry but there isn't much action in Boracay. I just came back from Boracay 20 days ago. I strongly suggest you to bring a girl from Manila.

[QUOTE=Johnny Wynne]Hi Guys,

Thinking about going to Boracay from Manila for a couple of days and perhaps stay at the Boracay Tropics Resort.

Could anyone tell me if

1) There is much action in Boracay in the way of girlie bars i.e any problem picking up a cutie for the night OR should we bring a girl with us from Manila?

2) Can anyone recommend a cool and nice place to stay in Boracay preferably near the beach or somewhere a nice cutie would enjoy staying?

Hope someone can help.

Thanks,

Jon[/QUOTE]

No Girlie Bars, just pick up places. The girls I have seen are not up to par, bring your own.

Don't stay at expensive place to impress the girl. She should be happy just getting to go. Don't stay directly on beach, but a little off. Trust me. Try Cocomangas, it is fine. You can usually get room for 1500 pesos. Nice garden atmosphere. Romantic in a Robinson Caruso type way. Read other post on these subjects.

Remember guys the real law here states prostitution is illegal here in the whole country as it is not in other countries. Just keep that in mind when you involve a third party in a transaction here you never know who is who. Or one better who is related to who, you anin't in Kansas anymore, Dorathy.

[QUOTE=Henderson]Although I would add that we are all the same regardless of nationality and, to a large degree, sex.

Sometimes we seem different but thats due to experiences and environment. If you grow up in the west you have it easier and don't have to hustle much if you don't want to. if you grow up in Asia, you don't have so many safety nets so do have to hustle more to survive.

The guys who complain about the girls they meet; how would YOU behave if you were that girl? How would YOU behave if you were treated as a cheap ***** just to be used?

If YOU were a girl from the provinces of PI, with not much education and with your looks and sex being possibly your greatest assets what would YOU do? Be all meek and just accept your poor situation hoping to meet that knight in shining armour? We all know he doesn't exist!

Hustling is just a part of life. If you're a salesman, have your own business, are self-employed, are trying to scale the corporate ladder, etc. don't you hustle as well?? Does that make you a bad person?

Being wise is essential but being cynical is not.

Expect the worse from someone and they will probably prove you right. Expect the best and they might just justify that expectation.

In my business, when someone thinks I'm hustling them I will get every cent I can from them. Otherwise I'm very fair.

Too many people go around with the attitude that they are victims and are just waiting to be proved right. They don't remember the years of fun and happiness thay got from a marriage but only remember now the messy divorce. And if there were no years of fun and happiness, then you were just acting as a victim and deserve all you got.[/QUOTE]This post brings up a good point about service. I have never had bad pussy here and that is not what I am saying. The thing is after how many hundreds barfines you tend to get picky about what you want from the provider. Not kinkey sex just a good night out. When you interview the gal in the bar and ask her if she will stay all night fuck 2-3 times and be nice, you want what you asked about, and what she agreed to do thats all. You wine and dine and treat the little thing as you would a babby and then when the door closes in the room you get the "I don't want! I have a headache or what ever else they think up.

Please remember they are working in the bar to make money! For what ever the reason. As a business person they have to think smart thats why some gals have money and some do not its the thought process. Bad service always ends up with a fuck or two but good service is a night and a gal you wou would be happy to do over and over. Or even tell a friend about and knowing she will do what she said and not take his gold teeth when he is sleeping.

You do everything you say and they, "not all" do nothing they say they will do for us. This is a problem here now in high season not like when there are no foreign guys here. They want the cash and a tip for express service. It is a hazard that we all have to work with here. They will try, and some win, but when you get a gal that will stay the night smile laugh and give great service you reward her! With a good tip and are happy to see her again. And she will want to see aryone of us again because she knows who did what they said also.

Play straight with them and SOME NOT ALL will make the A-LIST and the others give them trike money and smile at them when you see them the next time. After all they made there bed let them lay in it.

I say give him a medal!

A bigger problem: newbies comes around, asks a bunch of questions, apparently go on their vacation, and then never make any kind of followup posts. So much for sharing....

X

[QUOTE=Guinness]Chronic posters have a tendency to dominate the forum discussions and inhibit the diverse opinions of other ISG members. For example: Surfer has posted over 40+ times in the first week of February alone. And if you look at his history, he often times posts over 10 times in the same day. Over the last few weeks, Surfer has expressed his expert opinion in the following 9 forums: Western Africa, The Philippines, Thailand, Ecuador, Peru, Indonesia, Tijuana, Nicaragua and Columbia. Seems a bit stifling to me...

Guinness[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Johnny Wynne]Hi Guys,

Thinking about going to Boracay from Manila for a couple of days and perhaps stay at the Boracay Tropics Resort.

Could anyone tell me if

1) There is much action in Boracay in the way of girlie bars i.e any problem picking up a cutie for the night OR should we bring a girl with us from Manila?

2) Can anyone recommend a cool and nice place to stay in Boracay preferably near the beach or somewhere a nice cutie would enjoy staying?

Hope someone can help.

Thanks,

Jon[/QUOTE]I did a couple of posts on Boracay back in June/July under "Other areas" I think. I would bring my own, other than that you find your own Clara Belle in cocomangas shooters bar at night, not very much selection...but.... Also check out the red coconut hotel or cocomangas resort (Native huts with AC/TV etc.)


Spamhog

[QUOTE=Wander Luster]The key with this is Trust. Any number of people on here could do something like what I propose. But it's true that if you have nasty guys on the fringes that could do bad to you and it could be twisted so that you are "trafficking" when that is not quit what I have in mind, then this is just a BAD idea.

Then their is of course trust with a paying guy. There is trust with girls from the Phils.

I'm a risk taker, not doing well financially right now, but not will to be stupid for money and fun. If I grew up in poverty, and was desperate for money, this risk might be more conceivable. But part of the point is that I don't look like a drug trafficer or a guy from Africa involved in shady trade. And I do look educated and am someone that's held good jobs. I can "fit in" with guys that are willing to pay big bucks for the best of the best right at their doorstep-- in a hotel bar.

The only way I could see this working is:

I do not handle money from a guy. He can pay a girl in a room. BUT when she gives me money then I'm part of a transaction. That seems like a problem! There is not much I have to trust her for if I know her in the Phils enough to know her family. I don't think she would stiff me too easily if I ask for a portion of the money upon return. Then there is the chance that a girl tries to turn against me and makes up some story. But it would be my word against hers. She wouldn't do it in BKK-- it's more foreign to her than to me.

As far as someone that I introduce to a fabulous babe from the Phils, I think I would have to make it clear that the person is just a traveling companion and I am no more or less (which is not exactly true). What is my obligation to the girls so if the guy is a Psycho I can help them out? Maybe she can text me if she's in a really bad situation and I am just the traveling friend that comes to be whatever help I can. And he would know that he really should behave him self because these girls deserve it (my attitude in general with ANY P2P situation).

BKK is such a big place. If I make trips there with 3 girls for 3 weeks at a time, and I DON'T have regular costumers for them who could start telling "bad guys" in the city about me and I DON't frequent the same places, well maybe then it's safe-ish.

The only reason I even think of BKK first is that it SEEMS most lax with it's P2P, but I don't know a lot about what goes on behind the scenes there. In Cebu, for example, if you are caught (and it usually happens from the guys you DON"T pay off who come down from Manila and the Federal this or that law agency) you will be in jail for a VERY long time. By "caught" I'm thinking of Mama Sans who I know of who are or were going to be sentenced to massive jail terms, but I think all bar owners know enough to pretent they know nothing of any of the girls working for them doing P2P. They would never let themselves be drawn in as "conected". My guess is they can say a "bar fine" is not for sex.

Singapore? I don't want to guess the penalty. Hong Kong, again I have no idea what the Chinese would do if they decide you have indeed been involved in P2P.

But when I was in BKK not too long ago, it seemed that freelancers were everywhere and not at all concerned about the cops. So if that's the case, and I am merely acting as a friend introducing them ...and they later ask for money...well that's why BKK seemed logical.

I would never invest in a bar. Everyone is doing that, and this has advantages that bars don't.

More advice, even just for arguments sake...appreciated.[/QUOTE]Lets look at things from a purely TACTICAL/PRACTICAL and FINANCIAL POINT OF VIEW.

Okay for some reason we're are concentrating on BKK in this case, maybe coz of the free wheeling pussy there, Logical, but stop and think why a lot of guys go to Thailand....right... THAI WOMEN. There are LOADS of 'em from all strata and not just THAI, but CHINESE,WHITE (Russian and Chezch) etc. You can go into the bars and find Issan peasant girls that westerners get stupid over (I did) You can find Thai freelancers who drive a car, has a Degree from Chula U and wears diamonds. (I did) You can go into exclusive clubs and
get the most beautiful and talented and expensive women of various races IF YOU GOT THE MONEY AND THE CONNECTIONS (I did NOT) most guys DONT coz it is EXCLUSIVE, that means you are known and invited by someone important, and HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT.

Now with all that wonderful poon floating around, why would anyone want a FILIPINA???? I'm sure somebody would perhaps for sheer communication, IF SHE were exceptionally pretty, or a super kinky type, did three ways or whatever, BUT she would have to compete with the Thai version, that AINT EASY from a purely sexual standpoint. Take a pole on this forum or the Thai one and see if SEXUALLY Gentlemen prefer Thai or Filipina, ever discussion I can remember here gives the Thai her oscar in that catagory, somebody correct me if im wrong.

Now, who ever is footing the bill for this traveling panty show better have his ducketts in a row. Consider the cost of getting a Filipina a passport, now a plane ticket. Now put them up in a hotel, food, dresses, shoes (Working clothes) makeup, hairstyle, Food, cell phones. Are you gonna get 'em a visa or just stay the thirty days? Add all that up and add a few things I forgot and multiply by how many ladies you intend to bring. Give you some idea what you need to break even or even afford the payoffs to whomever.

So financially it wouldn't be feasible IMHO, unless you had some guys lined up ready to pay a couple hundred US a throw. (short time).

Now as I said before, I lived in LOS, worked out of the resort town of Phuket and went to BKK and other places often. I NEVER SAW A FILIPINA WORKING GIRL!!!!! Now I heard of two Filipina sisters down in Krabi (I think) who ran a bar and had a couple of Phils working it but I never confirmed it.

Last but not least I ask: has this Hypothetical person EVER been to LOS BKK and spent any time there? I mean other than mongering, does he know the language? The customs? Can he read Thai?

Its a nice fantasy, one I had, I was going to BUY a bar in Phuket and be a pimp daddy just like my Idol (The Dutch guy who runs the Club Eden bar on soi 7 1/2). But I decided it wasn't worth the hassle.

Good luck.

The Spamhog

Again you can own nothing here as a foreigner in your own name so why take the risk. Not a bar, a business of anykind or a house. SO never never never Buy in, or be part of this game they sell here. There is no investments here that are good until we (foreigners) can OWN here. This was brought on by a overheard conversation in my hotel reataurant tod between a local and a foreign guy. I don't want to sound like a broken record here but it's an old song they are playing here. And there will be no place for you to sit when the music stops.

You will be on a plane home crying in your tea I am very sure of it. Power of attourney, trust, corps, Its all shit. Remember you spend 60 thousand american or same in pounds and who here will buy that? What local person here can get that kind of cash? There is a small market here and it the foreigner who has the cash not the locals never forget that. You can but a property at home and a guy and his wife can get a morgage to pay you and you will make dollars or pounds not pesos. Buy and book your tickets on line not a the fleecing travel agents here. Just take a 5 minute break and check the price yourself could be you can keep the jingle in your pocket and not buy a family a sack of rice today.

Also get the girls and have some fun why buy when you can rent. You stay here and fuck for a month whatever tickles your fancy. Iam sure you have had more ass than any 10 guys at home get in a year. So be happy and just come here for what you heard about, THE PUSSY.

BB

I know the pharmacy's carry Azithromycin in the Philippines. But do they carry Doxycycline and Cefixim (Tricef) over the counter as well without a prescription? I like to have all on hand in case of STD emergencies while I'm mongering around the country. Any info would be helpful. I just can't stay away from those BBBJ's!

Always on the Quest

Yella Man

[QUOTE=Yella Man]But do they carry Doxycycline and Cefixim (Tricef) over the counter as well without a prescription?
Yella Man[/QUOTE]
Yes, they do... always best to check with the doc though.. Zithromax and Ciproxin/ciprofloxacin are available too. Cheers.

Thanks for the quick reply Joel G. I can build an emergency STD kit when I get there. I'm gonna venture off the beaten path for a few days this next trip.

Always on the Quest

Yella Man


[QUOTE=Joel Goodsen]Yes, they do... always best to check with the doc though.. Zithromax and Ciproxin/ciprofloxacin are available too. Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Yella Man]Thanks for the quick reply Joel G. I can build an emergency STD kit when I get there. I'm gonna venture off the beaten path for a few days this next trip.

Always on the Quest

Yella Man[/QUOTE]Is it illegal to bring them back into the country if you purchased them legally overseas? Will customs treat you like a drug smuggler? If anyone kows the answer please let me know.

Thanks,

Guinness

i have visited a bar for the last several weeks and found out some great intel on the inner circle. seems the puppasan in a bar here is wacking a gal and not paying her the bf. yes is that a surprise i am sure not. the real story is the gal is only 16 years old! first he skipps out on his bosses cut of the proffit then wacks an **** gal. and the bestquestion here is who hired the fucking gal in the first place ha?

this is not a new thing going on here but please remember if the gal looks to young i am sure she is! there is no one i repete no body gonna help you or me for this problem here. if thats your bag great don't expect anyhelp from the peanut gallery here! gentle this is a big problem and is widespread here with the gals. they get a fake id from a sister friend or whoever and go dancing. if caught you will pay here and also when you touch ground in your perspective countries!

this is going on in a/see and should i post it there who knows you be the judge. i just wanted you to know it's not a safe bet if she looks to young. there are too many gals here that are drop dead beautiful to have without going down for this!

who did i get my info from? a relative of the gal herself. she is working under a different name and birth record with no license in a large bar. if the puppasan is in on the deal what does this say to you about them protecting us? make sure the gal has a work license and if she does not pass the gal by. this might be ****, new but not gone for a hygene check or many other potential problems for us.

please feel free to pm me for the bar location and info.

bb

[QUOTE=Bill Buxton]Again you can own nothing here as a foreigner in your own name so why take the risk. Not a bar, a business of anykind or a house. SO never never never Buy in, or be part of this game they sell here. There is no investments here that are good until we (foreigners) can OWN here. This was brought on by a overheard conversation in my hotel reataurant tod between a local and a foreign guy. I don't want to sound like a broken record here but it's an old song they are playing here. And there will be no place for you to sit when the music stops.

You will be on a plane home crying in your tea I am very sure of it. Power of attourney, trust, corps, Its all shit. Remember you spend 60 thousand american or same in pounds and who here will buy that? What local person here can get that kind of cash? There is a small market here and it the foreigner who has the cash not the locals never forget that. You can but a property at home and a guy and his wife can get a morgage to pay you and you will make dollars or pounds not pesos. Buy and book your tickets on line not a the fleecing travel agents here. Just take a 5 minute break and check the price yourself could be you can keep the jingle in your pocket and not buy a family a sack of rice today.

Also get the girls and have some fun why buy when you can rent. You stay here and fuck for a month whatever tickles your fancy. Iam sure you have had more ass than any 10 guys at home get in a year. So be happy and just come here for what you heard about, THE PUSSY.

BB[/QUOTE]

At last, someone who is putting running a business / buying property in Philippines into true perspective! Push the brakes on VERY HARD if you see yourself 'investing' in the Philippines. RENT RENT RENT!

If the idea is only running a business, before you do that check out Philippine company law (especially if you are going into the recruitment of Philippine labor) as well as very difficult general trade union problems. A few years ago HSBC threatened to pull out of Philippines and most foreign companies have a non-stop trade union problem. Typically each year, next year trade union negotiations last 6-9 months!!!!

[QUOTE=Yella Man]I just can't stay away from those BBBJ's![/QUOTE]
Hey YM,

Have you ever caught anything from a BBBJ?

Just curious

M

Guinness,

I never have problems bringing meds into Korea. I have brought Zitromax and Cialis/Viagra back many times. I just stuff them into an empty or at the bottom of partially filled Vitamin bottles. But I have never been questioned about the meds yet.

Mattrick,

Once upon a time in the Philippines I caught a dose of something thru a BBBJ. It only happened that once...and believe me, I've had a my fair share of BBBJ's since then. But, it's better to be prepared then to get caught with your pants down holding a sore dripping dick while your on a mongering vacation!

Always on the Quest

Yella Man

[QUOTE=Guinness]Is it illegal to bring them back into the country if you purchased them legally overseas? Will customs treat you like a drug smuggler? If anyone kows the answer please let me know.

Thanks,

Guinness[/QUOTE]

I've copped some flac on this board and others over my recent trip report to Manila where i disclosed that i had paid some of the LA Cafe girls 3000 pesos for an all night session. I don't have any regrets over my payments as in each instance I had a great time and when I have gone to Burgos or EDSA i have been paying 1000 or more for a barfine and at least another 1000 or more for the girls tip, so i didn't think it was such a big difference. I prefer the girl not the bar to have my money anyway.
Should we have a thread with comparable prices etc of others experiences? I know lots of blokes think that by only paying 500 or 1000 pesos they are getting a bargain but what if you are after a more complete GFE where you know you will probably see the girl the next night but may not want to be with her or might take her again in a couple of nights? Surely a little generosity can go a long way? I know on my next trip I am planning the same approach as it worked well for me - all this talk about inflating prices etc doesn't wash with me as if you want quality in anything you have to pay for it.

Does anyone know what these girls, bargirls or freelancers, make on average cos simple maths tell us that there are heaps of girls for each guy and there is no way that these girls make money every single night - there's just not enough guys to service all the girls!!

No big deal - each to their own - I was just wondering about it, thats all.

Cheers

Pete

[QUOTE=Fastpiston]At last, someone who is putting running a business / buying property in Philippines into true perspective! Push the brakes on VERY HARD if you see yourself 'investing' in the Philippines. RENT RENT RENT!

If the idea is only running a business, before you do that check out Philippine company law (especially if you are going into the recruitment of Philippine labor) as well as very difficult general trade union problems. A few years ago HSBC threatened to pull out of Philippines and most foreign companies have a non-stop trade union problem. Typically each year, next year trade union negotiations last 6-9 months!!!![/QUOTE]

Not so sure I would say you can "own nothing". I own an outsourcing company 99.5%. I'm the president and I have a work visa 'cause it's registered with PEZA.

By the way, the company is failing, in part because the "sevice" nature of it in the IT area meant that the Phils way of doing things did cause a lot of cultural problems for my companies costumers (this is not a call center or something like that),

It's true that the majority shareholders must be from the Phils, but their ownership is token.

As far as trust, my conclussion after running this company is that it is true that there are more people "jaded" because their country is so fucked up than if you looked in the US or Europe. they are more willing to take advantage of someone regardless of where he is from.

But on the other-hand, Filipinos are famous for their loyalty. And man have I seen that. I've had employees working for me for almost 3 years who I trust far more than anyone I've worked with in the US all my life.

One thing I will also share is my experience that filipinos are lacking in "rational common sense" that we are used to in the west and don't ever over look that as a cliche. It is VERY real. That is a general trait in SEA, especially Thailand. But doing biz in the Phils can drive a Westerner crazy because people can do so many things that are clearly irrational. Even some of the ethnic Chinese who are very rational businessman will say the same.
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Regarding the idea of going to BKK with Phil girls.

I find it very interesting, very, that there are not more girls going over there own there. I've been there with 3 of my employees for biz (all women) and it was very interesting how they were as clueless about LOS as a westerner would be the first time. RT flight from cebu is only 180 USD.

I do think my idea is do-able, but risky. The key is that it is I who help break the ice for these girls to meet guys. Sure, there's a trillion other girls, but they may not have someone as a very effective go-between.

I posted roughly the same idea in the BKK thread and in my 12 years of being online have NEVER been flamed so badly. Part of that is the mob mentality on that thread. And part of it is that they saw me as "invading their turf" by trying something like that.

"Asia Hand" who's got a record of 100s of posts on the board told me to "fuck off" which gave me a chuckle.

Anyway, it's all academic now, because I'm not going to do that. As far as the "traditional routes" of getting into the P4P industry, I've talked to enough bar owners to not even dream of ever wanting to own a bar.

It's true that Thai's in GENERAL are for sure better in bed. I've slept with at least 25 of them, and lost count in the 100s for Filipinas. But when you hand select, I think girls from Cebu come out hands down winners. That is largely due to the fact that even girls that are not too "hardened" can speak some English. That's the type I and many others like. But in BKK, many/most girls like that other than providing great sex ...it's just sign language...which I don't find as fun nor do many other guys.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Wander Luster]Not so sure I would say you can "own nothing". I own an outsourcing company 99.5%. I'm the president and I have a work visa 'cause it's registered with PEZA.

By the way, the company is failing, in part because the "sevice" nature of it in the IT area meant that the Phils way of doing things did cause a lot of cultural problems for my companies costumers (this is not a call center or something like that),

It's true that the majority shareholders must be from the Phils, but their ownership is token.

As far as trust, my conclussion after running this company is that it is true that there are more people "jaded" because their country is so fucked up than if you looked in the US or Europe. they are more willing to take advantage of someone regardless of where he is from.

But on the other-hand, Filipinos are famous for their loyalty. And man have I seen that. I've had employees working for me for almost 3 years who I trust far more than anyone I've worked with in the US all my life.

One thing I will also share is my experience that filipinos are lacking in "rational common sense" that we are used to in the west and don't ever over look that as a cliche. It is VERY real. That is a general trait in SEA, especially Thailand. But doing biz in the Phils can drive a Westerner crazy because people can do so many things that are clearly irrational. Even some of the ethnic Chinese who are very rational businessman will say the same.
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Regarding the idea of going to BKK with Phil girls.

I find it very interesting, very, that there are not more girls going over there own there. I've been there with 3 of my employees for biz (all women) and it was very interesting how they were as clueless about LOS as a westerner would be the first time. RT flight from cebu is only 180 USD.

I do think my idea is do-able, but risky. The key is that it is I who help break the ice for these girls to meet guys. Sure, there's a trillion other girls, but they may not have someone as a very effective go-between.

I posted roughly the same idea in the BKK thread and in my 12 years of being online have NEVER been flamed so badly. Part of that is the mob mentality on that thread. And part of it is that they saw me as "invading their turf" by trying something like that.

"Asia Hand" who's got a record of 100s of posts on the board told me to "fuck off" which gave me a chuckle.

Anyway, it's all academic now, because I'm not going to do that. As far as the "traditional routes" of getting into the P4P industry, I've talked to enough bar owners to not even dream of ever wanting to own a bar.

It's true that Thai's in GENERAL are for sure better in bed. I've slept with at least 25 of them, and lost count in the 100s for Filipinas. But when you hand select, I think girls from Cebu come out hands down winners. That is largely due to the fact that even girls that are not too "hardened" can speak some English. That's the type I and many others like. But in BKK, many/most girls like that other than providing great sex ...it's just sign language...which I don't find as fun nor do many other guys.

Cheers[/QUOTE]

Gentlemen, no matter who I talk to over here they all say the same thing.

The Phils is GREAT for mongering, and GREAT to live her IF YOU GOT A PENSION< 401 K or means of support other than a business. COZ everybody, TO A MAN will say the same things Wander L has just said.
The businesses usually fail...

Regading that, I recently tried to invest in the Philippine stock market, wanted to buy PLDT and San Mig among some others, WHAT A FREAKIN HASSLE!!!!! For a foreigner to buy Phil stock you have to get a Phil business license and TIN, all stock certificates MUST be held in BPI which you have to open an account in. I dont have a problem with TIN or the bank holding the certificates but getting a "business" license????BS! IT'S AN INVESTMENT IN A PHIL COMPANY, that is yet another reason why people dont want to invest in the Phils, difficult to do even through legitimate channels, however, you can purchase several Phil company stocks through your US broker as several are traded internationally...and you dont need a business license.

Regarding teh BKK idea WL, it doesn;t suprise me that you got the reaction you did from the BKK board, I knew you would, be glad you didn;t lay out all that cash and get the same reaction when you and the three lovelies stepped off the plane, trust me, you wouldn't have been around to post on it.

good Luck


Spamhog

Pete, If I recall correctly, you suspected you paid too much from the very beginning. I was one of a few who confirmed that, but some people made a big fuss and whined about "driving up the prices". Hmmmm

After your girl told all her province girlfriends about making 3k in a night, they all hopped on a bus and made their sweet way to LA cafe, driving down prices for those who followed in your footsteps. Thanks -- you're the man.

I don't think we need a seperate thread for money talk. I also disagree with your point about paying extra to ensure the GFE. If she feels any genuine attraction, you'd be better off giving her a small amount of "spending money / taxi money", rather than a large amount of "I know you're a w.... money".

Also, the hot women often do make money every night, and also get an allowance from "fiances" or other repeat customers. Two of the hottest and most GFE ladies I've ever had are now married and living in the West. I gave them 1k per night. Go figure.

I do have a friend who pays extra as kind of a hardship allowance. His thinking is that he's 3X her age, fat and terribly ugly. Therefore he tips more. This makes perfect sense to me. Lucky for me, I'm only 2X her age, chubby, and moderately ugly.

*** One LA cafe girl took me to her place which was a tiny room not much bigger than her bed. This was a block away from LA and cost her 7,500 a month. At 1,500 a pop, she needs five customers just to pay the rent. Of course most ladies pay a lot less for the rent.

Keep posting Pete....always good to hear from you.

X

[QUOTE=Pete The Beat]I've copped some flac on this board and others over my recent trip report to Manila where i disclosed that i had paid some of the LA Cafe girls 3000 pesos for an all night session. I don't have any regrets over my payments as in each instance I had a great time and when I have gone to Burgos or EDSA i have been paying 1000 or more for a barfine and at least another 1000 or more for the girls tip, so i didn't think it was such a big difference. I prefer the girl not the bar to have my money anyway.
Should we have a thread with comparable prices etc of others experiences? I know lots of blokes think that by only paying 500 or 1000 pesos they are getting a bargain but what if you are after a more complete GFE where you know you will probably see the girl the next night but may not want to be with her or might take her again in a couple of nights? Surely a little generosity can go a long way? I know on my next trip I am planning the same approach as it worked well for me - all this talk about inflating prices etc doesn't wash with me as if you want quality in anything you have to pay for it.

Does anyone know what these girls, bargirls or freelancers, make on average cos simple maths tell us that there are heaps of girls for each guy and there is no way that these girls make money every single night - there's just not enough guys to service all the girls!!

No big deal - each to their own - I was just wondering about it, thats all.

Cheers

Pete[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man]After your girl told all her province girlfriends about making 3k in a night, they all hopped on a bus and made their sweet way to LA cafe, driving down prices for those who followed in your footsteps. Thanks -- you're the man.[/QUOTE]
Sweet!

[QUOTE=X Man]I don't think we need a seperate thread for money talk. I also disagree with your point about paying extra to ensure the GFE. If she feels any genuine attraction, you'd be better off giving her a small amount of "spending money / taxi money", rather than a large amount of "I know you're a w.... money".

Also, the hot women often do make money every night, and also get an allowance from "fiances" or other repeat customers. Two of the hottest and most GFE ladies I've ever had are now married and living in the West. I gave them 1k per night. Go figure.[/QUOTE]
I agree wholeheartedly with this. But not because I'm a cheap charlie. Instead, it's because many of the women do not think of themselves as w....s so if you treat them well and are patient, it's not necessary to spend a lot more for the GFE. If you got the GFE, you can give her a little too much for the taxi in the morning. And she will probably take the jeepney back to her place.

[QUOTE=X Man]I do have a friend who pays extra as kind of a hardship allowance. His thinking is that he's 3X her age, fat and terribly ugly. Therefore he tips more. This makes perfect sense to me. Lucky for me, I'm only 2X her age, chubby, and moderately ugly.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I get that.

[QUOTE=X Man]*** One LA cafe girl took me to her place which was a tiny room not much bigger than her bed. This was a block away from LA and cost her 7,500 a month. At 1,500 a pop, she needs five customers just to pay the rent. Of course most ladies pay a lot less for the rent.[/QUOTE]
I bet dollars to donuts she wasn't paying that much for the room. She just told you that so you might feel sorry for her and separate yourself from a little more cash.

[QUOTE=X Man]Keep posting Pete....always good to hear from you.

X[/QUOTE]
Likewise, Pete, I like reading your posts.

[QUOTE=Finrod]I bet dollars to donuts she wasn't paying that much for the room. She just told you that so you might feel sorry for her and separate yourself from a little more cash.[/QUOTE]

Of course, P 2500 is probably closer to the truth than 7500.

Let's face it - it is a true market economy. Supply and demand will determine the price for the product in question. Fact is we are competing heavily now with the japanese and koreans who pay large amounts - 5000+pesos is not uncommon - so who do you think the girls will favor? Only a matter of time before the japanese and koreans start to gravitate towards cheaper AC and the same thing will happen there. Think outside the square and look for girls in the malls etc - takes a bit more effort but they are there and a great GFE can be found with a little patience. And lets face it, 2000 or 3000 pesos for an all night encounter is not that expensive if the girl is worth it. Back in Oz you pay that just for a few drinks trying to chat up a girl without any promise of more goodies to come!
IMHO patience is the answer and there are so many good looking girls you can't miss out so whats an extra $20 if it means a great night?
Enjoy while you can
Cheers
Pete

Most of the time the gals ask for much more than the actual price on whatever they are buying. The longer you stay the better you are at giving the right amount. A general rule is give half of what they want and it seems like they always make that amount work. You will here stories of big money here so take what you here with a grain of salt. Remember, they will always try for more its just part of life here. When they know in there mind you are the one then they will start helping your wallet. Like many here say, its, only 1 or two dollars, yes thats right but what about when its bigger money. The longer you stay the better you are on knowing whats up with prices.

BB

[QUOTE=Pete The Beat]I've copped some flac on this board and others over my recent trip report to Manila where i disclosed that i had paid some of the LA Cafe girls 3000 pesos for an all night session. I don't have any regrets over my payments as in each instance I had a great time and when I have gone to Burgos or EDSA i have been paying 1000 or more for a barfine and at least another 1000 or more for the girls tip, so i didn't think it was such a big difference. I prefer the girl not the bar to have my money anyway.
Should we have a thread with comparable prices etc of others experiences? I know lots of blokes think that by only paying 500 or 1000 pesos they are getting a bargain but what if you are after a more complete GFE where you know you will probably see the girl the next night but may not want to be with her or might take her again in a couple of nights? Surely a little generosity can go a long way? I know on my next trip I am planning the same approach as it worked well for me - all this talk about inflating prices etc doesn't wash with me as if you want quality in anything you have to pay for it.

Does anyone know what these girls, bargirls or freelancers, make on average cos simple maths tell us that there are heaps of girls for each guy and there is no way that these girls make money every single night - there's just not enough guys to service all the girls!!

No big deal - each to their own - I was just wondering about it, thats all.

Cheers

Pete[/QUOTE]"Generosity" has nothing to do with it. If a girl likes you/or mistakenly thinks she has a future with you, she will see you again. I know bargirls that barfine almost every night and they don't work on Fields. I know bargirls that never barfine, but sleep with a foreign guy for free. I know a bargirl that was receiving $1700 USD a month from some moron until he found out she was fucking the DJ in her club. I know a bargirl who is pregnant by one of the bar owners, but she keeps whispering to my girlfriend that she want to do a 3 some with us.

The money doesn't "guarantee" anything, but that you are seen as a soft touch, if anything. Its okay to do what you do, but try to not be seen as predictable.

I was reading a thread on PI at Night.com regarding the increased bf prices at EDSA and Burgos - anyone here know about this? The thread stated that barfines are now up at the 3000 peso mark which seems to be a steep hike. Is this the influence of the Japanese and Koreans? Or just inflation catching up like everywhere else?

Cheers,

Pete

Pete,

You post that you voluntarily overpay by about double because you think it gets you better service (and I will bet that it doesn't but that's a separate argument), and then you worry about inflation and BF going up. You see a connection there?

I here all the time say you ruin things for the rest, and guys ay this to each other. Live the way you want andpay what you want who cares. What I call good service the other guy will say its just ok. There are no set prices on anything in this place so if you pay more they win. The thing is we all pay more one way or another at one time or another so thats the way it is. The smart guy pay less after he gets wind of he payed to much. And if he is smart will not repete the same mode of operation again. Live and learn.

Some gals want a guy and others think that gal is loko loko. Everyone likes different things here the gals also. The best thing is they all like cash.

B. B.

Pasante Unique

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I got my Pasante Unique's in the mail a few days ago and decided to try them on this 20yr old Filipina I've have been doing for a while now. My first dislike was the packaging. Although nice enough to fit securely into your wallet without worrying about rupturing the condoms, the packaging caused problems when I reached for it and tried to get a condom out for use. I got so frustrated I had to turn on the lights just to open the damn pack.

The second problem with the packaging is that they package three condoms in one credit card sized container. They can't be separated into individual condoms. This is ok if your fucking the same girl over and over again. Not too cool though if your fucking more than one girl, because one of them will ultimately ask, "What happened to the other two condoms?"

The feel of the condom in your hand is exactly like that of plastic wrap you would place over food. Putting the first one on was a slight challenge specifically because of that feeling. However, there is a green label on the condom itself directing you on how to put it on. When you finally do have it on, your dick looks like it has a price tag on it because of the label.

I slapped some Liquid KY (it's already lubricated with a petrolatum USP which is oderless and tasteless) on the outside of this contraption and started to fuck away. I didn't notice this "Real feeling" the company Pasante was talking about. It felt like I had wrapped my dick in plastic wrap and was attempting to fuck my hott 20yr old. I didn't like the feeling much. My Ultra Thin Lifestyles with the pleasure tip, and a little liquid KY squirted inside before putting it on felt much more natural then this contraption.

I pulled the condom off and finished bareback. Later, when I was ready to go again, I put another Unique on and asked my 20yr old to give me a BJ...all for the sake of the experiment. I have to say, it felt pretty real. She liked it because it had no smell or taste like regular condoms. So I guess I'll be using them for CBJ during my next trip to the Philippines, while I'll still use the LifeStyles for actual penetration. Just my two cents. I'm interested to know if there are other super thin condoms that may be good to try.

Always on the Quest

Yella Man


Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorenzo
How, exactly, did you find this out? Is this information reliable? If so, I'm going to try them. This means that the Durex Avanti is more than 3 times thicker than the Pasante. So far the best condom I've used is the Trojan Supra, at least as far as feeling that you're doing it bareback; I'd like to know it's thickness, if you know. The Durex Avanti is a close second.

After reading your post. I went to the Pasante website, [url]www.pasante.com[/url]. It appears that they can be ordered from the UK. I went to Undercover Condoms, my usual source, but they don't carry them.

Thanks for providing valuable information.

Lorenzo

Hi everyone,

Who can tall me how mach about LA CAFE girl for shirt time and for long time?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Gtogt]Hi everyone,

Who can tall me how mach about LA CAFE girl for shirt time and for long time?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Pay what you want start at 1000-p and go up from there. Like I have said you might get it for 500-p who knows.

B.B.

[QUOTE=Gtogt]Hi everyone,

Who can tall me how mach about LA CAFE girl for shirt time and for long time?

Thanks[/QUOTE]There are two schools of thought about paying freelancers. One is to negotiate up front and the other to act like its a date and pay after. If you negotiate up front it will probably be 1000p to 1500p for either ST or LT [they don't make much of a distinction between the two]. If you pay after just give them 1000p and they will very seldom ask for more.

I know Gtot did not mean to ask a provocative question but that one is a doosie that may start a flame war as people have VERY different opinions on the matter. The one bit of advice I would give him or any Philippine newbie is to agree on everything IN ADVANCE.

I understand JBoy's point, and sometimes I will NEVER discuss money until time for her to go, but that is NOT adviseable for those unaccustomed to the Philippines. If you PROVE you really know the "going rate", you are MUCH less risk of being overcharged.

The safest bet of all for a newbie is the all inclusive price structure in Angeles. Nowhere in Manila has that system to my knowledge (as if they do it is almost a GUARANTEED ripoff!; like taxi fares, a fixed fare is NEVER less than a metered fare as drivers KNOW what the metered fare would be and are not going to take less).

[QUOTE=J Boy] If you pay after just give them 100p and they will very seldom ask for more.[/QUOTE]Giving them 100p and they will chase you for more. I think you meant to say 1000p.

Hehehehehe - I can't help myself! Just love the LA Cafe and can't wait to get back there! What do you pay for ST or LT there? Like they say in the Phils - Up to you!!
Don't sweat it too much Gtogt! You will work out what it is worth to you pretty quick depending on how hot is the girl you meet - and you will meet plenty!
Just enjoy
Cheers
Pete

Thank everybody for everybody's answer.

I will come and is expected to go on March 23 this year in Manila to China.

But this is my first time to go to Manila.

It is gentle very well that I have.

So I think that does not understand very much in information on a lot of webpages If ask some dull-witted questions Excuse me.

I wonder what the price which side LA CAGE is it.

Short time.

For a long time.

Saboteurs that I do not want to act as the price.

Please inform me.

Range of the price of LA CAFE The materials on the network are in a mess.

Even someone says that one night may exceed 3000P.

In addition:

Do not know whether there is a friend of China.

Can answer my question in Chinese.

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Thank you very much.

Hope everybody has a crazy night.

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I'm not sure where to post this question, so I will post it here and also on the Thai and Phils threads as well so I can get the maximum answers/viewpoints. I hope the moderator will allow this.

My scenario and question is this. .

I have not been to either Indonesia or Thailand (only to the Phils), but have read many threads on this and other message boards. From what I have read, Thailand seems the best all around place. The Thai women seem more fit (generally) and it appears they are more willing to do threesomes and other such episodes then their Filipina counterparts. The Filipinas seem to be generally less fit with small bellies and do not seem eager to engage in threesomes or any other out of the ordinary episode if you know what I mean. The Indonesian women's looks are not the most appealing to me and it appears mongering there might be a little more challenging then either the Phils or Thailand, but I have noticed in the trip reports and pictures that the the Indonesian women seem a lot wilder. I have seen more toys and threesomes in the Indonesia photo galleries then in any of the others. More anal and other such episodes in the Indonesia area.

The looks of the women is important to me, however, the willingness and general sexual energy of the women is most important.

So my question is, which destination offers the wildest and most sexually willing women?

I also have one more question on Indonesia. The pictures of the Jakarta women show unshaved women where as the Batam women seem shaved. What are the general differences in the women from Batam and Jakarta? What can I expect if I go to either location?

The main reason why I pose this question is I do not get to go on these trips often. When I do go, I spend valuable vacation time and more then a few grand of my cash. I don't want to waste any time and want to maximize my experience. Hopefully, I will receive some insightful information so I can make my decision.

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Giving them 100p and they will chase you for more. I think you meant to say 1000p.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it was a typo. They would cut your titi off if you gave only 100p! :D

[QUOTE=Gtogt]Thank everybody for everybody's answer.
..So I think that does not understand very much in information on a lot of webpages If ask some dull-witted questions Excuse me.I wonder what the price which side LA CAGE is it.
..[/QUOTE]
Yeas, might be a problem since much info.
Going rate at LA Cafe seems to be a hot girl LT 2000 peso and ST 1500 peso, more regular one slightly lower. This is 500-700 peso above level 2-3 year ago. If you agree LT, also agree what time she leaves in the morning. And pay after, not before. And make a report here, please!

I agreed LT and 8 hours for 2000 peso. She soon started talking about her little son home and bla bla and she left after only 3 hours. So I gave here only 1000 peso, which I felt was ok since she lied to me and could not stay LT.

[QUOTE=GoodTimes2]I'm not sure where to post this question, so I will post it here and also on the Thai and Phils threads as well so I can get the maximum answers/viewpoints. I hope the moderator will allow this.

My scenario and question is this. .

I have not been to either Indonesia or Thailand (only to the Phils), but have read many threads on this and other message boards. From what I have read, Thailand seems the best all around place. The Thai women seem more fit (generally) and it appears they are more willing to do threesomes and other such episodes then their Filipina counterparts. The Filipinas seem to be generally less fit with small bellies and do not seem eager to engage in threesomes or any other out of the ordinary episode if you know what I mean. The Indonesian women's looks are not the most appealing to me and it appears mongering there might be a little more challenging then either the Phils or Thailand, but I have noticed in the trip reports and pictures that the the Indonesian women seem a lot wilder. I have seen more toys and threesomes in the Indonesia photo galleries then in any of the others. More anal and other such episodes in the Indonesia area.

The looks of the women is important to me, however, the willingness and general sexual energy of the women is most important.

So my question is, which destination offers the wildest and most sexually willing women?

I also have one more question on Indonesia. The pictures of the Jakarta women show unshaved women where as the Batam women seem shaved. What are the general differences in the women from Batam and Jakarta? What can I expect if I go to either location?

The main reason why I pose this question is I do not get to go on these trips often. When I do go, I spend valuable vacation time and more then a few grand of my cash. I don't want to waste any time and want to maximize my experience. Hopefully, I will receive some insightful information so I can make my decision.[/QUOTE]

I have lived in Thailand, been to indonesia and now dwell in phils, having experienced an appropriate amount of mongering et al from those women I suppose I have some sort of qualification to say this. Thai women are the ultimate SEX TOYS, if what you want is simply sexual adventure, diversity and willingness to engage in 3 somes, 3 holing or experimentation etc. Not just the prostitutes either. I suppose the key to this is the religion of the respective countries. Thai's are strick Bhuddists, a religion which acknowledges no "sin' but only karma for good deeds or bad. Sexual pleasure gratification is like eating when you are hungry, drinking when thristy, no big deal. Thai women do 'cheat' more often, our concept of cheating not theirs. So two things one is NEVER trust a Thai woman for anything other than sex, second: THAI WOMEN HAVE MUCH MORE INCIDENCE OF AIDES than do Phils or Indonesia or most other Asian countries, beware.

Indonesia I flat out don't like,back a few years ago I just missed the big "purges" by the extremist Muslim idiots in Yogyakarta when they burned bars and went after westerners for promoting "vice" etc. Every once in awhile they blow up a bar or throw a molotov cocktail in Jakarta as well, same shit. To some extent, this was their reason for blowing up Bali, ie westerners are turning their country into a ***** house. A WORD OF CAUTION AGAIN, one of these days they are going to do the same with Batam and a few other "resort" islands off Singapore where westerners and Singa's go to hump Indo girls. I found Indo girls so-so, some of them are hairy, depends what tribe they are from. I recall some pretty ones in Jakarta among mixed chinese, they do NOT compare to Thais sexually IMHO. You can find Indo girls in Singapore (Maids) and in Kuala Lumphur Malaysia, a much less hostile place than Indo.

As far a Filipinas go you can find different atttitudes among them, some will do 3 somes, 3 holing and other off the wall things. Sometimes they will experiment sexually. I've found that women from the Bukidnon region and other parts of Mindanao to be more sexually diverse. Once again not just prostitutes. ALSO I've found a lot of Filipinas to be hairy, which I dont like, kind of a joke here among expats but you see lots of lovely ladies and then look at their legs...aggghh she forgot the razor.


Good Luck


Spamhog

in this case, about Indonesian women whom I adore. They are BY FAR the most honest of the three, and scams are much less prevalent than in the PI & LOS. Way less foreign sex tourists too, meaning much less HIV and other STDs (PI being much lower than LOS but Indo being the lowest of all). Homosexuality is very rare so virtually zero katoeys/baklas either, so those who wish to avoid gender benders may prefer Indonesia for that reason.

Indonesian mongering is more challenging, as it is more subtle, but I vehemently disagree about the girls being any less attractive but taste is a personal thing.

Hey Guys,

What would be the best resort in Boracay to stay. Not for mongering or to impress someone. Just want a first class place by the beach.

Well, if mongering is "more challenging", then that could explain SH's comments. But I have to agree with Surfer. Some of the photos I've seen at ISG Indonesia seem to indicate that very attractive women can be found.

And as for Thai women, what I miss most is finding adult women who naturally have little or no pubic hair. What a treasure!

X


[QUOTE=Surfer]in this case, about Indonesian women whom I adore. They are BY FAR the most honest of the three, and scams are much less prevalent than in the PI & LOS. Way less foreign sex tourists too, meaning much less HIV and other STDs (PI being much lower than LOS but Indo being the lowest of all). Homosexuality is very rare so virtually zero katoeys/baklas either, so those who wish to avoid gender benders may prefer Indonesia for that reason.

Indonesian mongering is more challenging, as it is more subtle, but I vehemently disagree about the girls being any less attractive but taste is a personal thing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hobby Knob]Hey Guys,

What would be the best resort in Boracay to stay. Not for mongering or to impress someone. Just want a first class place by the beach.[/QUOTE]
Friday's is one of the best in Boracay, it's also the best for the beach. It's located to north of the beach, if I remember well it's the last one.

[QUOTE=Hobby Knob]Hey Guys,

What would be the best resort in Boracay to stay. Not for mongering or to impress someone. Just want a first class place by the beach.[/QUOTE]


Check out Cocomangas if you like a short walk to the shooters bar and all its freelancers (which you can walk back to your room in 2 minutes). It gets a little noisy though. If you want something a little more traditional check out Red coconut hotel. Somebody also said good things about a place called "hey Joe" small rooms but god food.

All these places are across the street(100 meters) from the beach.

Good Luck

Spamhog

[b]The good news[/b] is that there really does seem to be a very low incidence of AIDS in The Philippines and also a fairly low rate of other STDs.

This is despite the PI having all the ingredients for an AIDS explosion- low condom use, migrant workers coming home and bringing back diseases, low health care budget, etc.

The unusual situation is referred to as the Philippines Paradox and has got the experts at a loss to explain it. They tend to support the belief that the PI is just going through a lucky phase and that an epidemic could still happen.

The amazing thing to me is that during a mass screening in Angeles last year only five girls showed up positive for HIV. That to me just sounds TOO good to be true and makes me wonder whether the clinics are carrying out the tests properly.

[b]The bad news[/b] is that if a girl has been found to be HIV positive then she is officially (by the clinic/hospital that diagnosed it) encouraged to carry on plying her trade and working as a prostitute, [b]even though[/b] some/most of her clients will request not to use condoms! In Europe this would be illegal and she would probably end up in jail. In the Philippines she is advised to carry on working whilst being "encouraged" to use condoms!

Here is today’s New York Times report;

[url]http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9B0CEFDC123AF933A15757C0A9659C8B63&n=Top%2fNews%2fHealth%2fDiseases%2c%20Conditions%2c%20and%20Health%20Topics%2fAIDS[/url]

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The New York Times report I referred to in my previous post is actually 2003 and the mass screening in Angeles happened in 2002.

However, according to the latest United Nations report of December 2006 the number of reported HIV cases are still low.

Here is the section that deals with the Philippines:

[Quote]In the Philippines, where HIV is being transmitted primarily during unprotected sex (National Epidemiology Center, 2006), national adult HIV prevalence remains well under 0.1% (UNAIDS, 2006).

About one third of HIV infections diagnosed since 1984 have been in returning overseas Filipino workers (mostly in seafarers and domestic workers) (National Epidemiology Center, 2006).

Efforts to screen and treat sex workers for sexually transmitted infections, along with other prevention efforts initiated since the early 1990s have possibly helped contain the spread of the virus during paid sex (Mateo et al., 2003). Less than 1% of sex workers are infected with HIV, according to successive sentinel surveillance rounds since 2002 (Department of Health Philippines, 2005).

HIV prevalence higher than 1% has not yet been detected among men who have sex with men, either (Department of Health, 2005). There is no guarantee this situation will continue.

Condom use is not the norm during paid sex (when surveyed in 2002, just 6% of sex workers said they used condoms with all their clients in the previous week) (MAP, 2005b), and the use of non-sterile injecting equipment among injecting drug users is a common practice in some areas (such as Cebu City) (Wi et al., 2002; Mateo et al., 2003; Department of Health Philippines, 2003). In such light, the apparent complacency among young Filipinos about the epidemic (three in five 14–20-year-olds believe they cannot contract HIV) gives cause for concern.

UNAIDS/WHO AIDS Epidemic Update: December 2006 .[/quote]

[url]http://www.unaids.org/en/HIV_data/epi2006/default.asp[/url]

Anyone here staying here longer than 6 months in the P. I. Will need to get an exit clearence fron the M. B. I. In manils. You can get the one page paperwork at local immigration and also bring two photos passport style with you also. The pics will have to be two inch by two inch color and also the charge is 500-p for the transaction at the office. this should be done two weeks before you flight home and you will be good to go. I am not sure if this is a requirement of all foreigners or just the U. S. I would say all staying over six months.

They also want thumb prints of each hand to have on file. The processing time is not more than 3-4 days in most cases.

B. B.

Even though 1 in 100 seems like a rather low number, we all have to think about the number of women we have sex with when we do get there.

When I go, I have sex with as many ladies as I can in the time I have. One time I had sex with over 25 women in a 10 day period. The more women you have sex with the more the odds increase...

[QUOTE=Henderson]The New York Times report I referred to in my previous post is actually 2003 and the mass screening in Angeles happened in 2002.

However, according to the latest United Nations report of December 2006 the number of reported HIV cases are still low.

Here is the section that deals with the Philippines:



[url]http://www.unaids.org/en/HIV_data/epi2006/default.asp[/url][/QUOTE]

I had another guy ask where he could cash in travelers checks here.I for one had no idea and told him to try other banks and a local moneychanger. I am well aware that most or all hotels and other places here do not want them and they are considered almost worthless.

CASH IS KING, and debit and credit cards number two and three on the best leagal tender list here.Do any other members here have any experence with t-checks.I know this has been asked before but who wants to see a guy on vacation not having access to his money.

B.B.

Travelers Cheques (SM MEGA MALL TAKE AMERICAN EXPRESS)

If you’re planning on taking Travel Cheques to Manila, make sure they are American Express.

If you take Visa Travel Cheques your holiday will be ruined!

I had 2 weeks of stress and grief with Visa Travel Cheques I even swapped banks because of them.

If your unlucky and have Visa Travel Cheques I think there are only 2 places in the whole of Manila which take them, so check out the website of the Visa Travel Cheques!

Take your American Express travel Cheques to Sm Mega Mall, use the MRT, or ride a Taxi. Once inside Sm Mega Mall go to the Top floor, there is a travel agency who take them, near Globe Cell Phone Shop!

Tip!!!!! Only ride in MGE Taxi’s for your safety and insurance. They are marked with a Big Green Stripe! Also the Yellow Striped Taxi’s but I forgot the company name.

Travelers Cheques. (SM MEGA MALL TAKE AMERICAN EXPRESS)

If you’re planning on taking Travel Cheques to Manila, make sure they are American Express.

If you take Visa Travel Cheques your holiday will be ruined!

I had 2 weeks of stress and grief with Visa Travel Cheques I even swapped banks because of them.

If your unlucky and have Visa Travel Cheques I think there are only 2 places in the whole of Manila which take them, so check out the website of the Visa Travel Cheques!

Take your American Express travel Cheques to Sm Mega Mall, use the MRT, or ride a Taxi. Once inside Sm Mega Mall go to the Top floor, there is a travel agency who take them, near Globe Cell Phone Shop!

Tip!!!!! Only ride in MGE Taxi’s for your safety and insurance. They are marked with a Big Green Stripe! Also the Yellow Striped Taxi’s but I forgot the company name.

dangers & safety advice philippines

i have been to the philippines 5 times. i am 21 years old.

i would like to share my knowledge with u.

whenever i went out i would carry money in 3 different places on my body, i prepared my wallet every day as though it was going to be stolen. keep your debit card in a separate pocket. not in your wallet.

my second visit to manila i had a knife pulled on me, broad daylight! loads of people around me! it happens so quickly, you have to make your choice, do you give? or do you fight?

giving money to the poor

never! never! never! give money to the poor it’s illegal! and you put yourself in big danger! you also put other tourists in danger! don’t be small minded, think about the bigger picture, its hard yes, but its bad news. you get your wallet out to give some money and you’re asking for trouble, you also show that tourists are rich and have money on them. bad news!

tips

giving tips can get you killed, sounds crazy but it’s true, you give a taxi man a big tip say p500 he might tell his friend who is a gangster ‘hey this white guy gave me p500 i think he’s rich and he’s staying at this address’ you could get kidnapped! extreme example but it can happen!

maximum tip you should give is 25php – 50php maximum 100php!

i am a member of a gun range in the philippines, because these stupid americans would keep giving tips, they now have a foreigners price which is 20php a bullet! when the filipino pays 3php a bullet!

your not mr. big man giving out tips, stop it.

scams

a few scams. .

• you leave your friend jerwyn to do some shopping on your own, a person comes up to you and says "hello,, john, your friend jerwyn told me he wants you to buy this picture for him" how does he know your name? how does he know your friends name? because he has been following you!

• you exchange your money on the street, they count it out, your happy, you walk away, you count your money, there’s money missing! magic!

pick-pockets

the world’s best pickpockets live in manila, i stayed with a filipino who makes a minimum of 3000php a day by targeting mobile phones, and he cuts peoples pockets with a razor! he targets the mrt day and night.

girls hanging around near hotels

don’t pick up girls directly outside your hotel, you will take them to your room, they will cry [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], the police will come, you will have a case put against you, will take 4 months to process, you need to get home for work, so you pay $4000 to have the case dropped. another reason to wear condoms.

boats

pirates are active in the southern islands, and over crowed boats in the peak season can make it dangerous.

kidnappers

10 years ago there were about 40 active groups, now only 3, they target rich chinese business man. there operations are planned.

they can target foreigners because they want to blackmail there government for money.

change your routine frequently, the risk is very low, but if you flash the cash you’re asking for trouble.

check your receipts

don’t be surprised to find the odd extra item placed on your bill.

taxis

stick with mge, your insured, there a big company; they have a green stripe down the side with mge in big black letters.

can anyone eles add to this?

[size=-2][b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]click here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]

perhaps this seems useful to those who have never been to to the pi, but i find much of it utter nonsense. i've been there way more than 25 times and am way older than 21 (lol!) yet never got held up at knifepoint, pickpocketed or otherwise scammed. use big city common sense, of course, and odds are you will be fine. yes the lrt is famous for pickpockets but what foreigner takes the lrt anyway?

he says it is "illegal" to give money to the poor; please cite the statute (as this is pure bollocks as they say in england). most times your wallet should be locked in your hotel safe anyway, and having coins and small notes in a pocket with no wad of 1000piso notes is a good idea. of course you never flash loads of cash (but that obvious piece of common sense hardly justifies report of distinction treatment imho!)

travelers checks are way less convenient than an atm card or cash.

as for his aversion to tipping, he can go f himself as i will tip whomever i want and if he does not like it too bad. that said, i would not tip a taxi 500piso but this mantra of "you tippers are ruining it for us koriput [cheapskates]" gets so old.

i hate guns, but i have half a mind to gun find his gun range and give bigger tips (so next time they charge foreigners 100 piso per bullet lol!)
the prevalence of guns is one of the biggest problems facing the pi (along with overpopulation for which the church is largely to blame, but i digress).
girls hanging outside hotels will accuse you of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]? never had a problem but of course it is possible. but bar girls, streetwalkers from away from your hotel and la cafe indies will never make such accusations? give me a break.

while taking blue bird taxis in jakarta makes sense as they are both reliable and prevalent, i have never seen this taxi company the guy is shilling for. there is no equivalent of blue bird group in manila.

as anybody who has ever been in manila knows, getting a driver to accept the meter without negotiation can be a challenge at times, but i have flagged taxis off the street thousands of times and the worst that happened was he whined about traffic and wanted a few extra piso at the end. while there may be isolated anecdotes of robbery by taxi drivers, like anywhere, this is not a persistent problem for foreigners imho.

yes kidnappers have targeted chinese businessman but that has nothing to do with foreigner sex tourists. ditto pirate boats in the sulu sea. i bet dollars to donuts this guy has never been outside luzon (where there are no "pirates"

)

Ok, Just thought it would help someone.

I also get a kick out of what gets recommended for distinction.

The EDSA LRT can actually be worth considering if you're staying at Dusit, Intercontinental or one of the nearby places at Glorietta and you want to go to EDSA Entertainment complex. The station is right there at Glorietta between those two hotels. You can take it to the end of the line and then it's a shortish walk to the girlie bars. It could be a good idea if the traffic is gummed up along EDSA, which it often is in the early evening or weekend nights. Of course you could be jammed on the train Tokyo style so it's not for everybody. You can also take it the other way to SM Megamall, if Glorietta/Greenbelt wasn't already enough malling for you.

I used travelers checks in my first few visits to the Philippines in the early 90s. It wasn't unusual to take close to an hour while they fussed, called superiors and looked at the checks and the receipts every which way. And the rates are also bad.

The way to go now is to bring cards and a few hundred dollars contingency cash.

I've never had any problem with violence in my 25 or so trips. I've had money stolen from my room once. And there was one attempted pickpocketing by an old man-little girl team. That's the extent of my law and order troubles in the Philippines in 15 months or so in country.

Taxis: Mostly they're a Manila problem. I rarely have issues in other cities. Insist on the meter or grab another one. Get to know the approximate fares for certain distances. Then give him the fare, get out and shut the door whether he's bitching or not. In nicer hotels you'll have to go outside to get a meter taxi to avoid the overpriced hotel limos.

Asheron,

Although I do amd have seen some of what is said here the facts seem jaded in most of what is said here.The illegal part on giving cash is not what I have found to be true.You can give what, and whatever, you like to anyone, its your choice.

The tip part could be people tip out of working on a budget, and some never tip so to each his owne.Others spoiling things for others, I think not.I never knew that some countries are not required to tip, its a social thing so thats why some dont fall in line with this when they visit other places.

Taxi rides yes they try and scamm but they all do it, so knowing this just be ready for the deal at hand.

Always count your cash at the window.Who would ever take cash even from your mom without counting it first.I would say that this is a general rule we all have learned from childhood and common sense.

Knifepoint well somepeople have bad days I guess, and I have heard and never seen this and yes I am sure it can happen.

I think the person reporting has a thing for the U.S. because he uses the refrence in some of his post.I think there are more people from other places here in the P.I. other than americans.And I would like to say that most here are not BIG TIME CHARLIES there people spending there money the way they want, where they want.Most of the working guys her are just that, working blue collar guys.The others are retired guys spending there retirement here.They live on a fixed budget and do what they can with what they have to work with.

I myself at the age of 21 would have never had the cash to come here on a vacation so this person is very lucky in my opinion.He is also lucky he was able to escape with his hide in the knife wealding city of manils right.Could be hewould have been safer walking the family dog at home.

Most of what is in the quote is COMMON SENSE no more no less in any metropolitan city anywhere on this planet.You go and take precautions when you travel an unknown place.You use what you have in your head and what mommy and daddy taught you as a child.You never flash and act like a bigshot thats just how it is.Lowprofile is much better even at home.I am sure at 21 and having the ability to travel the world I also would have looked at the business end of aknife or two because of my age and ability to act that age.Could be this was a good experence for a young guy thinking trrough 21 year old glasses.Could be next trip over he will have a wonderful quiet vacation here or in another place of his choice.

This is just my observation and noy ment to disrespect the person writing the original report.Nice to see people of all ages having some woorld wide travel under there belt.


B.B...

I have good experience in BKK and other cities in Thailand and in some Eastern Europe countries too (I have posted not too much reports BUT if you need some information please post me).

I travel often to Thailand and now planning a visit to Philippines, probably Manila or Angeles City and have no experience in this country. However, I have read some reports (positive and negative) but just want to try if the quality, services and prices are attractive too for mongering, hotels or shopping.

Probably I will fly from BKK to Manila. I have no idea about distances from Manila to Angeles City (Km and hours for bus, taxi, train, bus or flight?)

How is the action in both cities? Manila and Angeles City? Can I compare them with BKK and Pattaya?

Are these danger cities in matters like criminality? Food quality and girl services or any further recommendation would be much appreciate. Thanks

do not let talk of pirates, laws against giving money to the poor, accusations of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and the like deter you from visiting the pi. use common sense and you are as safe there as most anywhere else (is anywhere completely "safe"?).

angeles is 2 to 3 hours from manila, depending on traffic, but you can fly direct to angeles (crk) on a few carriers. tiger is probably best, but you need to change planes in singapore. cebu pacific flies bkk to mnl but in the middle of the night and their customer service is the worst you will ever encounter (although the planes are quite new). thai air is best but pricey (if you have luthansa or united miles use 20,000 for an award on thai).

angeles is the equivalent of pattaya in some respects (i.e it is sin city with little other industry), but for pure debauchery pattaya is better imho (though i admit not having been back to angeles in almost 10 years). manila is much better than bkk for nonpros imho. as a whole, nonpro action is much more available in pi than los.

but the best thing about the pi is that you can score in most any town because most people speak english (unlike rural areas of thailand). the best thing about the pi is that 99% of the people think foreigners are better than filipinos, whereas 99% of thais think foreigners are inferior to thais.

the infrastructure is better in thailand and patience is a necessity in the pi (get used to incompetence that will make your head spin!). but at the end of the day, it is the warmth of the girls that outshine their mercenary thai sisters and make visiting the pi so much more fun than thailand.

[quote=surfer]do not let talk of pirates, laws against giving money to the poor, accusations of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and the like deter you from visiting the pi. use common sense and you are as safe there as most anywhere else (is anywhere completely "safe"?).

angeles is 2 to 3 hours from manila, depending on traffic, but you can fly direct to angeles (crk) on a few carriers. tiger is probably best, but you need to change planes in singapore. cebu pacific flies bkk to mnl but in the middle of the night and their customer service is the worst you will ever encounter (although the planes are quite new). thai air is best but pricey (if you have luthansa or united miles use 20,000 for an award on thai).

angeles is the equivalent of pattaya in some respects (i.e it is sin city with little other industry), but for pure debauchery pattaya is better imho (though i admit not having been back to angeles in almost 10 years). manila is much better than bkk for nonpros imho. as a whole, nonpro action is much more available in pi than los.

but the best thing about the pi is that you can score in most any town because most people speak english (unlike rural areas of thailand). the best thing about the pi is that 99% of the people think foreigners are better than filipinos, whereas 99% of thais think foreigners are inferior to thais.

the infrastructure is better in thailand and patience is a necessity in the pi (get used to incompetence that will make your head spin!). but at the end of the day, it is the warmth of the girls that outshine their mercenary thai sisters and make visiting the pi so much more fun than thailand.[/quote]surfer,

thanks a lot for your kind response and valuable information.

i guess that manila would be my choice however, if you have information about the current prices would be nice. i use to pay thb 2000-3000 usd 60-90 for long time in bkk. difficult to qualify the girls according to the standards in this forum, i can only say that i am mostly happy and satisfied with the whole service (mostly with condom, but good oral and massage and seldom willing anal sex in bkk)... are the rates and service in manila similar?

and what about hotels like majestic suites in bkk? any updated experience regarding prices for the pros and non pros and hotels and places of action in manila (like soi nana or soi cow boy)?

thank you again and if you need information regarding bkk please let me know too

Pricing is a controversial topic as YMMV, so I will give you RANGES (and your post talks ST rates so I assume that is you preference):

1. BKK has nothing like LA Cafe where you can get freelancers for ST as low as 500, more likely 1000, and never more than 1500. No bar fine.

2. EDSA Complex: Barfine=1,000 Piso and for ST between 1K & 2K tip to girl.

3. Makati/PBurgos: have not been up there in almost as long that I have not been back to Angeles, but generally 50% higher than EDSA if not more.

4. Internet: join either Cherryblossoms or Filipinaheart for a month BEFORE you go, then line up girls than run the gamut from HCH (hard Core Hos) to virgins seeking a husband to EVERYTHING in between. You can do Yahoo messenger for free BUT WAY more scams and less lucrative (this is secondhand though as I have never done it as I do SO well on the other two).

5. Shopping malls: freelancers abound.

6. Get AWAY from tourist areas and you'll see TONS of possibilities. Get hooked up with a good local procurer and you'll have more than you can handle.

I agree with Surfer.

Reading some posts on PI (and other foreign lands) is enough to put one off from going there.

I’ve only been to the PI once, for 3 weeks, but I walked around by myself at all hours of the night and morning in Manila (especially Ermita), Cebu and Davao, spoke to anyone who spoke to me, girls or guys went to local places where I was the only foreigner and never felt the hint of trouble or animosity (except twice with two other foreigners, but that’s a different issue).

I found the place very friendly and safe and fun. The guys there are very easy going- more than I would be in their place. The tiny little scams they sometimes try (like taxi meters, etc.) are absolutely nothing. I can’t believe anyone could really make an issue out of it. Maybe these complainers never go out in their own cities or maybe they live a paradise somewhere.

I’ve also been to India, Indonesia, Thailand, Singapore and worked in Bangladesh. In all these places, except for a few of minor instances that were quickly diffused, I’ve never had any real problems. Being the adventurous type, I’ve always done things that some people might consider dangerous and sought out areas and venues where I was the only foreigner.

I nearly always give something to the poor or people who ask me (unless they come across as aggressive), I talk to street people and usually leave tips (unless the service/attitude was crap).

Obviously, sometimes things will happen. But this is regardless of where in the world you are in and is rare.

What I do find is that it’s easy to get into an argument with other foreign guys. Some guys seem to go to Asia and suddenly think they are the BIG guy. I can’t believe they act like that at home because that sort of behaviour would get them a smack (at least in the UK).

But then again, I find it’s much easier (and quicker) to get into arguments/fights in the UK then in Asia.

[quote=surfer]perhaps this seems useful to those who have never been to to the pi, but i find much of it utter nonsense. i've been there way more than 25 times and am way older than 21 (lol!) yet never got held up at knifepoint, pickpocketed or otherwise scammed. use big city common sense, of course, and odds are you will be fine. yes the lrt is famous for pickpockets but what foreigner takes the lrt anyway?

he says it is "illegal" to give money to the poor; please cite the statute (as this is pure bollocks as they say in england). most times your wallet should be locked in your hotel safe anyway, and having coins and small notes in a pocket with no wad of 1000piso notes is a good idea. of course you never flash loads of cash (but that obvious piece of common sense hardly justifies report of distinction treatment imho!)

travelers checks are way less convenient than an atm card or cash.

as for his aversion to tipping, he can go f himself as i will tip whomever i want and if he does not like it too bad. that said, i would not tip a taxi 500piso but this mantra of "you tippers are ruining it for us koriput [cheapskates]" gets so old.

i hate guns, but i have half a mind to gun find his gun range and give bigger tips (so next time they charge foreigners 100 piso per bullet lol!)
the prevalence of guns is one of the biggest problems facing the pi (along with overpopulation for which the church is largely to blame, but i digress).
girls hanging outside hotels will accuse you of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]? never had a problem but of course it is possible. but bar girls, streetwalkers from away from your hotel and la cafe indies will never make such accusations? give me a break.

while taking blue bird taxis in jakarta makes sense as they are both reliable and prevalent, i have never seen this taxi company the guy is shilling for. there is no equivalent of blue bird group in manila.

as anybody who has ever been in manila knows, getting a driver to accept the meter without negotiation can be a challenge at times, but i have flagged taxis off the street thousands of times and the worst that happened was he whined about traffic and wanted a few extra piso at the end. while there may be isolated anecdotes of robbery by taxi drivers, like anywhere, this is not a persistent problem for foreigners imho.

yes kidnappers have targeted chinese businessman but that has nothing to do with foreigner sex tourists. ditto pirate boats in the sulu sea. i bet dollars to donuts this guy has never been outside luzon (where there are no "pirates")[/quote]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread.

[quote=surfer]perhaps this seems useful to those who have never been to to the pi, but i find much of it utter nonsense. i've been there way more than 25 times and am way older than 21 (lol!) yet never got held up at knifepoint, pickpocketed or otherwise scammed. use big city common sense, of course, and odds are you will be fine. yes the lrt is famous for pickpockets but what foreigner takes the lrt anyway?

he says it is "illegal" to give money to the poor; please cite the statute (as this is pure bollocks as they say in england). most times your wallet should be locked in your hotel safe anyway, and having coins and small notes in a pocket with no wad of 1000piso notes is a good idea. of course you never flash loads of cash (but that obvious piece of common sense hardly justifies report of distinction treatment imho!)

travelers checks are way less convenient than an atm card or cash.

as for his aversion to tipping, he can go f himself as i will tip whomever i want and if he does not like it too bad. that said, i would not tip a taxi 500piso but this mantra of "you tippers are ruining it for us koriput [cheapskates]" gets so old.

i hate guns, but i have half a mind to gun find his gun range and give bigger tips (so next time they charge foreigners 100 piso per bullet lol!)
the prevalence of guns is one of the biggest problems facing the pi (along with overpopulation for which the church is largely to blame, but i digress).
girls hanging outside hotels will accuse you of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]? never had a problem but of course it is possible. but bar girls, streetwalkers from away from your hotel and la cafe indies will never make such accusations? give me a break.

while taking blue bird taxis in jakarta makes sense as they are both reliable and prevalent, i have never seen this taxi company the guy is shilling for. there is no equivalent of blue bird group in manila.

as anybody who has ever been in manila knows, getting a driver to accept the meter without negotiation can be a challenge at times, but i have flagged taxis off the street thousands of times and the worst that happened was he whined about traffic and wanted a few extra piso at the end. while there may be isolated anecdotes of robbery by taxi drivers, like anywhere, this is not a persistent problem for foreigners imho.

yes kidnappers have targeted chinese businessman but that has nothing to do with foreigner sex tourists. ditto pirate boats in the sulu sea. i bet dollars to donuts this guy has never been outside luzon (where there are no "pirates"

)[/quote]

best check the us and uk embassy travel advisories first, then look at some of the old hands experts on this board. the embassies are heavily involved in the real problems and update their advisories carefully and regularly.
most filipinos will be the first to warn foreigners of the safety record as they themselves have to put up with 'incidents'. hold-ups in buses, jeepneys, banks, hotels, murders are common. drugs are the cause of most problems, or just sheer poverty. if one is still unconvinced on the need for great care, check out the philippine tv, example the tv patrol program. be especially careful during election time as police are detailed off regular duty to protect candidates, leaving the door open for general crime opportunists.

[QUOTE=Mahku]The EDSA LRT can actually be worth considering if you're staying at Dusit, Intercontinental or one of the nearby places at Glorietta and you want to go to EDSA Entertainment complex. The station is right there at Glorietta between those two hotels. You can take it to the end of the line and then it's a shortish walk to the girlie bars. It could be a good idea if the traffic is gummed up along EDSA, which it often is in the early evening or weekend nights. Of course you could be jammed on the train Tokyo style so it's not for everybody. You can also take it the other way to SM Megamall, if Glorietta/Greenbelt wasn't already enough malling for you.[/QUOTE]
I've ridden the LRT and MRT a few times. More out of a sense of adventure than anything else, but I don't plan on riding again. Two things about it: It's dang cheap, I mean really dirt cheap. And I never saw another kano there. Good reason for that, as Makhu says, it's almost always crowded Tokyo style. One day, it took me 3 trains before I could shove my way on board, Tokyo style. When it's that crowded, you really have to watch the pickpockets. I denied them at least twice. Never saw their faces, just slapped their hands away when I detected them getting too close. So I stick to taxis when traveling about by myself, but I may use a jeepney for short rides if I'm with a local.

Hi, I am currently in Korea and I'm trying to find out the price range to fly one way from Manila to San Francisco if I purchased my ticket in the PI. If anyone can recommend me a travel agency in Angeles or Manila for this purpose, that would be helpful as well. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston] Hold-ups in buses, jeepneys, banks, hotels, murders are common. Drugs are the cause of most problems, or just sheer poverty. If one is still unconvinced on the need for great care, check out the Philippine TV[/QUOTE]

Last nite TV showed pictures from a crime scene where 2 snatchers had been killed by the police in QC. Good. At least the filipinos have the good taste to kill off these lowlifes. Recurrent targeted campaigns against holdappers often produce similarly positive results.

In so many meek western countries (esp in W. Europe) the criminals are treated with soft gloves, getting cable TV in their cells and what not.

gentlemen there are many things in asheron's post that i agree with one hundred percent. he is correct concerning manila being the razor artist capitol of the world, they are noted for this and usually get vicitms who sit on the curb side of a jeepney it takes them a few seconds to slit a rear pocket and collect a wallet, if anyone is foolish enough to carry his wallet there, same with the cell phone snatchers and chain grabbers, they mainly target women and smaller kids. and he is correct about the beggars, many cities have enacted ordinance against this due primarily to the fact that most organized beggars use children (they train them and "rent' them out for the day in different parts of the city.) the reason is the u.n. made a big stink over this. i know for a fact that in davao, mr. dirty harry himself told beggars he would arrest any of them he saw using children and he ordered people not to give them money. however i have never heard of any one getting arrested for giving them money. in cebu they tried to clean them up, for the asean summit, the ones who stop traffic and ask for money, once the summit was over they came back, every once in awhile i see the citcom guys run them off.

as far as ho's shouting [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], this is an old scam, it is done a lot by the lower class ones who are ****, sometimes they are in cahoots with the cops, i also know that in vietnam this is a big time con, more so than the pi.

the post illustrates a few things i've been harping on for some time, the first is that manila is much more dangerous per se to foreigners than anywhere else in the phils. the second is that it depends where you go and who you run with being more of a determining factor regarding your being a vicitim of a crime, that goes for the pi, thailand, jakarta, los angles nyc or wash d.c., any country. it sounds like asheron was running with a frisky crowd, i also wonder if any of this took place in tondo, probably the highest crime rate in the pi, controlled by armed gangs sort of like compton in la.

as far as piracy he is right, sailing your yacht in the sulu sea is a good way to find how many pirates operate there. back about three years ago the imo weekly piracy report named the sulu and north celebes sea as the third most incidence of piracy, the straits of malacca the first and west coast of africa second. pirates in that region were targeting the tuna fleets out of gen santos, putting armed guards on the boats seems to have lessened the problem. the sulu is also home to the abu sayeff, who once operated with impunity there, they also kidnapped several foreigners from malaysia, an italian priest in marawi and the celebrated los palmas raid which captured two american missionaries and a guy with his fiance. (oddly enough these foreigners were not the target but rather a chinese businessman was). once again gentlemen pinoy kfr gangs target chinese businessmen, primarily because they pay, at present, the talk among the bad guys is that if you kidnap a foreigner, you can expect guys in dark jump suits and mp 5's to come knocking on your door.

outside of those incidents, i know of two, count 'em two cases in the last six years in which a foreigner was kidnapped in mindanao, one canadian was set up by his wife as he met with his hooker gf for an all night tryst in a digos beach front hotel, she had some toughs carry him off to teach him a lesson,(remember that one guys, never [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off a filipina wife too much) they got raided two days later and shot full of holes by police commandos. the other was some idiot korean guy who went into milf territory with a suitcase full of money to buy "yamashita treasure". not real smart. i could go on about foreigners being robbed, beat up or being vicitms of crime and in each case they were doing something illegal, being stupid or being in a place they shouldn't have been.

i defy anyone, the u.s. embassy included to produce statisical or factual accounts where foreigners were kidnapped on a such a scale as to warrant
some of the mass hysteria over the matter.

anyhow, every once in awhile we need to be aware of such things, what can really happen and does, who it happens to and what they were doing at the time it happened, if you research it, get the facts and not give in to hysteria and listen to paranoid, easily frightened filipinos you will see what i'm talking about.

use common sense, dont get too drunk and if you do dont be a tough guy get back to your room (alone) and sleep it off.


regards

spamhog

thanks for flushing out the details. SO true what you said about Manila being the most dangerous place in the PI for foreigners, despite their PERCEPTION that Mindanao is where the real risks lie. Also not surprising that most foreigners who got themselves into trouble with criminals were doing something they shouldn't have been or otherwise showed poor judgment.

Re the begging thing, correct me if I'm wrong but I think the syndicates that use children are mostly in Manila, Cebu and Angeles (where the foreigners are as Filipinos tend not to be overly generous with beggars). Re an ordinance banning GIVING (as opposed to begging), that is both constitutionally unsound (not that that stops them in the PI as Mayor Lim proved time and again) and of VERY dubious morality. I do not give to the kids or mothers holding babies, but I do give to amputees or others with obvious physical deformities or disabilities. Believing in the principle of ethical egoism (everything we do is really for ourselves despite any appearance of philanthropy), I confess to feeling better about my own privileged station in life when I do this. I will SEEK OUT the disabled, rather than responding to those who approach me, and give them a pocketfull of coins. If anybody, including Mayor Duterte or Asheron, is bothered by that charity too bad because I know I have the angels on my side.

[QUOTE=Surfer]thanks for flushing out the details. SO true what you said about Manila being the most dangerous place in the PI for foreigners, despite their PERCEPTION that Mindanao is where the real risks lie. Also not surprising that most foreigners who got themselves into trouble with criminals were doing something they shouldn't have been or otherwise showed poor judgment.

Re the begging thing, correct me if I'm wrong but I think the syndicates that use children are mostly in Manila, Cebu and Angeles (where the foreigners are as Filipinos tend not to be overly generous with beggars). Re an ordinance banning GIVING (as opposed to begging), that is both constitutionally unsound (not that that stops them in the PI as Mayor Lim proved time and again) and of VERY dubious morality. I do not give to the kids or mothers holding babies, but I do give to amputees or others with obvious physical deformities or disabilities. Believing in the principle of ethical egoism (everything we do is really for ourselves despite any appearance of philanthropy), I confess to feeling better about my own privileged station in life when I do this. I will SEEK OUT the disabled, rather than responding to those who approach me, and give them a pocketfull of coins. If anybody, including Mayor Duterte or Asheron, is bothered by that charity too bad because I know I have the angels on my side.[/QUOTE]

You have a good heart. Please do not go to India where you will really feel bad, where kids are actually maimed purposely to become beggars. Very Very Sick, but true. I truly do not think that happens in the Philippines.

never been to india, and never felt any great urge to go frankly. i would doubt intentional maiming to increase donations would occur in the pi (but anything is possible).

cambodia was plenty depressing. the killing fields and kr torture center tuol sleng were bad, but the worst was climbing the stairs of wat phnom and seeing a different malady or amputee. cambodia's land mine problem has created the largest proportion of amputees in the world. truly like peering into the gates of hell it was.

if india is even worse, that would tax my capacity for seeing people suffer.

[QUOTE=Surfer]thanks for ......

Re the begging thing, correct me if I'm wrong but I think the syndicates that use children are mostly in Manila, Cebu and Angeles (where the foreigners are as Filipinos tend not to be overly generous with beggars). Re an ordinance banning GIVING (as opposed to begging), that is both constitutionally unsound (not that that stops them in the PI as Mayor Lim proved time and again) and of VERY dubious morality. I do not give to the kids or mothers holding babies, but I do give to amputees or others with obvious physical deformities or disabilities. Believing in the principle of ethical egoism (everything we do is really for ourselves despite any appearance of philanthropy), I confess to feeling better about my own privileged station in life when I do this. I will SEEK OUT the disabled, rather than responding to those who approach me, and give them a pocketfull of coins. If anybody, including Mayor Duterte or Asheron, is bothered by that charity too bad because I know I have the angels on my side.[/QUOTE]I agree with you on the begging and giving. I have 4 or 5 beggers I give to everyday. I make sure they get enough money from me to have at least one meal. Normally I give them 20peso but If I have not been around for a few days I will give 50 or more to make up. All of these have deformities. They are old timers here. Meaning I have seen them for over a year. They see me, and smile and do not ask anything else from me that day, even though I have never asked them to leave me alone.

I know that they make more than the average wage earner does, but they also miss out on most of what is good in life.

We have a great deal of new beggers show up for awhile and then vanish. One has to wonder why there is this constant turn over of beggers. I can only suspect, but believe it is controled begging for someone's profit. I can not prove this, and giving is up to one's conscience. My standard is to give only to those who I clearly see have a deformity, never to the kids unless they seem extremely dirty and hungry. If there is someone making profit, kids would be the way to scam us.

That being said, several times at Sub Delicious I have offered a begging kid my left over food, such as half a sub or my rice, and everytime, the kid or kids ate the food as if they were starving. Several times when this has happen, I have ordered cokes for them, and I always rethink my position on giving to kids. So far I am sticking to my guns and not give money. I am never sure I am right and it does bother my conscience to the point of wet eyes sometime. Food yes sometimes, money not yet anyways.

[QUOTE=Congerww]I agree with you on the begging and giving. I have 4 or 5 beggers I give to everyday. I make sure they get enough money from me to have at least one meal. Normally I give them 20peso but If I have not been around for a few days I will give 50 or more to make up. [/QUOTE]

Thanks a million. So you're one of the soft hearts feeding this disgusting industry. This ensures that we will have so many beggars living the "meaningful lifes" in the polluted cesspool called Fields, instead of doing something useful in their hometown. Only because congerww and his friends simply pay better for their Fields freak show.

The good news is that Lazatin has announced that the beggar kids will be taken off the street and put in detention centers, where their parent/s can pick them up. Repeat offenders will face charges. Let's see how well this will be implemented, the PNP and "props police" (police aids) are not doing much at all, except touting guns and riding their motorcycles and van with flashing lights. Both soliciting (mostly done by baklas, who often double as poor pickpockets) and begging are criminal acts in the Phils.

I have never ever given one single peso to beggars in the Philippines, but I gladly buy stuff from ambitious street hawkers (who are not too makulit). Check out the hard working flower lady walking around Balibago for instance. Flowers Sir? Looks like she's at it for almost 24/7.

I guess Im a soft touch, coz I DO GIVE TO BEGGARS occassionally. I dont always give them money, for example I usually get hit up by some of the old women in the market place. I usually give them some produce I've bought, a mango or two, once in awhile a coin if that makes me a chump so be it. I sometimes give to the blind guys in the street being led around by a kid when the come to my car usually my change or something. Surfer is correct about the syndicates using the kids, but it is NOT limited to Manila, it was getting out of hand in Davao so the big D stepped in. I dont see that many in Cebu. I've got mixed emotions about handing out to kids, I have at times given them some of my food if I'm coming out of McD's (At my age I shouldn't be eating fries anyhow) or a roll or two if I'm coming out of the bakery, but I balk at money, Mrs spamhog assures me they spend it for rugby.

Regards tipping I usually DO tip, maybe not much but I usually leave something. I'm a great believer in spreading the wealth around. Of course most of that is in places most of the brethern don''t go and the people are shy and even embarassed to ask or take it. The strong exception I have is with an obvious hustler or somebody trying to play me for a fool. Of course during my mongering days I tipped sweetie according to performace/technique etc.

I have never heard of intentional maiming of children in the PI, there are enough polio vicitms and amputees due to lack of antibiotics for normally easily treated infections. However, I have seen some examples of this in Thailand where they have well organized beggar clans and a "king". But you must understand the Thai and the Cambodians have a totally different atitude towards the issue. One makes merit (Tham boon) in the eyes of Bhudda even if its a scam (like those guys in front of the Wat who have the birds you pay to release, then the little prick is trained to fly back in its cage).

regards

Spamhog

[quote=surfer]cambodia was plenty depressing. the killing fields and kr torture center tuol sleng were bad, but the worst was climbing the stairs of wat phnom and seeing a different malady or amputee. cambodia's land mine problem has created the largest proportion of amputees in the world. truly like peering into the gates of hell it was.
[/quote]

the depressing thing about cambodia, surfer, is not poverty, genocide, or amputations, but that the forces of social control closed k11.

personally i give only to one begger - the old man at soi yamoto and beach road in pattaya who pretends to have an amputated hand. it is obviously fake, which i like. i only give him less than five baht for the gag though.

[QUOTE=Spam Hog]I guess Im a soft touch, coz I DO GIVE TO BEGGARS occassionally. I dont always give them money, for example I usually get hit up by some of the old women in the market place.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, OK I have to admit I sometimes give a little food to the kids, if I'm munching on something. This way they can't use is for rugby etc.

As for tipping I usually tip P20 for good service w/ a smile. If they screw up (which is pretty often) or if they are just lazy and ignorant (often too) they get zip, period.

Case in point. The waitress screwed up my order at Salvatores, despite my asking her "have you completely understood my order?" (providing her with an excellent opportunity to re-check anything not clear, and of course any further explaining by me after her affirmative answer equals calling her dumb).

When the pizza arrives it's messed up with the wrong ingredients in the right place or vice versa lol. No apology, no discount, no free drink, no nothing (I asked, mostly to prove my point that PI businesses enjoys screwing their customers and get away with it). The waitress suggested they'd "rework" the pizza (no thanks). Zero tip and just another "costumer service" experience in PI ;)

[QUOTE=Surfer]Pricing is a controversial topic as YMMV, so I will give you RANGES (and your post talks ST rates so I assume that is you preference):

1. BKK has nothing like LA Cafe where you can get freelancers for ST as low as 500, more likely 1000, and never more than 1500. No bar fine.

2. EDSA Complex: Barfine=1,000 Piso and for ST between 1K & 2K tip to girl.

3. Makati/PBurgos: have not been up there in almost as long that I have not been back to Angeles, but generally 50% higher than EDSA if not more.

4. Internet: join either Cherryblossoms or Filipinaheart for a month BEFORE you go, then line up girls than run the gamut from HCH (hard Core Hos) to virgins seeking a husband to EVERYTHING in between. You can do Yahoo messenger for free BUT WAY more scams and less lucrative (this is secondhand though as I have never done it as I do SO well on the other two).

5. Shopping malls: freelancers abound.

6. Get AWAY from tourist areas and you'll see TONS of possibilities. Get hooked up with a good local procurer and you'll have more than you can handle.[/QUOTE]

Hello Surfer

I have seen your fight in the Thailand Forum and I can only say that you have my support and try to forget this fighting guy.

Thanks again for you valuable info regarding Manila / PHI. For sure you are much better member than this guy in this Forum. Bye

[QUOTE=Pute Nut]Thanks a million. So you're one of the soft hearts feeding this disgusting industry. This ensures that we will have so many beggars living the "meaningful lifes" in the polluted cesspool called Fields, instead of doing something useful in their hometown.[/QUOTE]Let me see if I understand you. All the Girls are here in Angeles because they rather fuck an old guy like me than live the full rich useful life back home. Wow, Now I really feel great. Did not know I was such a good lover!

[QUOTE=Congerww]Let me see if I understand you. All the Girls are here in Angeles because they rather fuck an old guy like me than live the full rich useful life back home. Wow, Now I really feel great. Did not know I was such a good lover![/QUOTE]

Good on you if you feel great, but I am afraid you are mixing up working girls and beggars here. I know AC can do these things to you, but I certainly hope you do not fuck the beggars.

[QUOTE=Pute Nut]Thanks a million. So you're one of the soft hearts feeding this disgusting industry. This ensures that we will have so many beggars living the "meaningful lifes" in the polluted cesspool called Fields, instead of doing something useful in their hometown. Only because congerww and his friends simply pay better for their Fields freak show.[/QUOTE]

He was talking about people with deformities and disabilities. How can you expect those people to lead a meaningful life. Most of them can't hold or do a regular job. Or aren't hired by any employers. And as there is no system in place in the phils to help these people they don't have any real choice. I don't like beggars that look like they can work a normal job, but feel pity for those that are deformed and sometimes give to them.

[QUOTE=White Wolf]He was talking about people with deformities and disabilities. How can you expect those people to lead a meaningful life. Most of them can't hold or do a regular job. Or aren't hired by any employers. And as there is no system in place in the phils to help these people they don't have any real choice. I don't like beggars that look like they can work a normal job, but feel pity for those that are deformed and sometimes give to them.[/QUOTE]

Actually, there is a lot you can do with what you've still got. Your life certainly doesn't end with your deformation, accidental or deliberate. I know first hand of one guy who is blind and makes an OK living selling cellphone loads, for instance.

The beggars are in Fields because the soft hearts simply pay them better to lie in the gutter dirty asking for handouts than doing something more productive elsewhere.

Moreover, by steering your funds to amputees and deformed beggars you certainly provide economic incentive for various schemes that are very unpleasant. I am not claiming this is common in Phils, but it certainly is elsewhere. I don't want to feed such an industry. Never, ever.

[QUOTE=Congerww] I have 4 or 5 beggars I give to everyday. I make sure they get enough money from me to have at least one meal. Normally I give them 20peso but If I have not been around for a few days I will give 50 or more to make up. [/QUOTE]

Congerww:

Kudos to you! But why only 4 or 5 beggars instead of 14 or 15, or, even better, 40 to 50? And why did you feed just Jhun, Eduardo, Maria Ana and Beth, but not Carla, Ruby, Gemma and Ramon - who are all getting jealous with the others now?! No offense, just curiousity!

Cheers - Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Hesekiels]Congerww:

Kudos to you! But why only 4 or 5 beggars instead of 14 or 15, or, even better, 40 to 50? And why did you feed just Jhun, Eduardo, Maria Ana and Beth, but not Carla, Ruby, Gemma and Ramon - who are all getting jealous with the others now?! No offense, just curiousity!

Cheers - Hesekiels[/QUOTE]

Can we please move off beggars and get back to the subject of this forum...

[QUOTE=Fastpiston]You have a good heart. Please do not go to India where you will really feel bad, where kids are actually maimed purposely to become beggars. Very Very Sick, but true. I truly do not think that happens in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]



Sure, Fastpiston, excellent idea, let's move on quickly to another topic (the beggars stuff is indeed so depressing, isn't it!?)! Any proposal? Your choice!

Cheers - Hesekiels

cute girl at MNL airport who escorted me to gate (Biz class on Asiana)

[QUOTE=Surfer]cute girl at MNL airport who escorted me to gate (Biz class on Asiana)[/QUOTE]Certainly very cute - almost fit in the hand luggage!

Just got back this afternoon from a trip to the PI. I'll marshall my thoughts in the next few days and write a decent report. But what a homecoming present....I'm talking about Surfer of course!

Funny thing about serial antagonists; they seem to draw the latent/nascent 'serial antagonist' out of otherwise normal posters. But lets not gloat.

Later,

Don

We'll all be looking forward to a report from dashin dick.

Didn't see you at edsa, dick. You described yourself, but whe I went there, I didn't see anyone like how you described.....unless you are a Korean guy.

Why did surfer get banned?

X

[QUOTE=X Man]We'll all be looking forward to a report from dashin dick.

Didn't see you at edsa, dick. You described yourself, but whe I went there, I didn't see anyone like how you described.....unless you are a Korean guy.

X[/QUOTE]

Hi X and thanks for the warm salutation.

No, I'm not Korean. Pure caucasian actually. Sorry to disappoint.

Funny how its not apparent to you why Surfer was canned, because when Junior was banned, you also voiced your incomprehension--and pain. Maybe it has to do with your difficulty distinguishing between flames and actual reports? Ergo this recent post of yours.

Now, DD, you really disappoint me. You suggest I'm flaming you, yet that was just a good natured response to your little dig earlier in the month.

As for Junior and Surfer, both were giving contributions in the Philippine threads. Apparently they had problems on other threads. With Junior in particular, it seemed his detractors came to the Philippine threads just to provoke him.

And I see the same thing with you. You gloat just because someone you dislike was banned. How is that a useful contribution to the list?

Anyway, the lady you pulled out of Cotton Club -- is that why Meann wasn't there when I went? I hate you dude! Fortunately, I found little Ching who turned out to be quite satisfactory in the bed and personality department.

I might put up some pictures later.

X

[QUOTE=Dashing Don]Hi X and thanks for the warm salutation.

No, I'm not Korean. Pure caucasian actually. Sorry to disappoint.

Funny how its not apparent to you why Surfer was canned, because when Junior was banned, you also voiced your incomprehension--and pain. Maybe it has to do with your difficulty distinguishing between flames and actual reports? Ergo this recent post of yours.[/QUOTE]

Ok X, here she is, in all her glory. She looks great and walks great; very sexy. Gets barfined about twice a week she tells me, often by Japanese, who pay a lot. I paid 2K which I though was right.

Well, that wasn't Meann, so who knows who was boinking her that night.

x

[QUOTE=X Man]Well, that wasn't Meann, so who knows who was boinking her that night.

x[/QUOTE]From what I can see of her, this girl has an exceptional looking body.
Just my type. [i](Hope you have more of her to post!)[/i]

Check out the article, click on the business section of yahoo and see for yourself.

Spamhog

Malaria tablets, do you take them?

Is the risk really that high?

Anyone know of a good reasonable car van service in "Tacloban" With service to Naval area?

Would like to have the info if anyone has it.

Also what money changers are a good honest deal in the LA,CAFE area?I have never used any In this area.I would like more info on a good one here and also in the Makati area also.I have seen an old post months back on a money changer in the greenbelt mall area that had some good reviews.

Thanks,

B.B.

[QUOTE=Asheron]Malaria tablets, do you take them?

Is the risk really that high?[/QUOTE]


I have taken quinine before for to safeguard against malaria, correct me if I am wrong but that is the only medicine I'm aware of unless something new is on the market. I took them in east Timor but never here as they Make me sick as hell.

Just my shanty Irish opinion but unless you are going to be spending a lot of time in the "bush" (the jungle kind, not the other he he) I don't see the need for it. Dengue is prevelant in some areas, especially Mindanao where a number of children die each year, mostly in the provenices but some cases in Davao/Toril area where kids play in stagnant water.


Regards

Spamhog

I forgot to mention in my trip report about Penrex tablets. I had met a chatmate in Cebu who worked at a Watsons Pharmacy there and we got on the subject of Viagra and other ED drugs. She told me they could not be bought without a prescription but that they sold a product called Penrex which a lot of her older male customers bought. It is made in China and comes 2 tablets per pack witha price of 250 P. Its non prescription but is behind the counter so you do have to ask for it. I tried it and felt it was benificial so maybe others here can comment on it if they have also used it.

[QUOTE=Nightrider1]I forgot to mention in my trip report about Penrex tablets. I had met a chatmate in Cebu who worked at a Watsons Pharmacy there and we got on the subject of Viagra and other ED drugs. She told me they could not be bought without a prescription but that they sold a product called Penrex which a lot of her older male customers bought. It is made in China and comes 2 tablets per pack witha price of 250 P. Its non prescription but is behind the counter so you do have to ask for it. I tried it and felt it was benificial so maybe others here can comment on it if they have also used it.[/QUOTE]


Penerex is indeed available at most Pharmacies and is purportedly "Natures" Viagra and Ciala (???) However, please note, Penerex relies on a healthy dose of vitamin E and some ginsing. I have never used penrex as
I use Centrum silver and regular gel caps of Vitamin E (400 IUE) cost is P8 and P4 respectivly, Korean Ginsing tea which I drink every morning is P 10 or P8 a pack. So you can substitute those components save a lot of money and have your little soldier standing at attention, yes it works, I am a great believer in ginsing since I began taking it two years ago.

I'm not against viagra, never tried it, but I'm leery of the side effects at my age, Tried Ciala once (gave me a high fever along with a raging hard on) I see both being sold on the street everywhere and I would caution anyone against relying on such, you never know exactly what the hell it is and judging from some of the low lifes hawking this stuff probably some kinda "rip".

regards
Spamhog

Juat finished Vietnam, China, Cambodia, And Thailand for 3 months. NOW I AM HOOKED ON ASIA. The scenery, the people, culture, food, etc.

Oh yes and the girls.

SO where to next FALL for one month, late Oct/Nov: Indonesia or Philippines?

THIS TRIP will primarily be about the sex, I admit. Been in a dry spell blast few years and I am now UNLEASHED by these delightful gals over there. Wanna keep my expenses down to about $1200 for the month, excluding RT travel. I sleep, eat, and bus cheaply no problem.

I need to balance expenses with worthwhile sightseeing. Seems Indonesia is way prettier than Philippines, but Philippines cheaper (incl airfare).

I need this while I save up for a big year long trip in 2 years. I'll hit both on the big trip, especially exploring Indonesia for a good couple months methinks,

If you search the Vietnam thread you'll see a humorous first time travel experience I had. They'll be more.

I will be in Manila in May, I want to see my GF in Angeles. What is the best way to get there from Manila with 2 bags? I am not sure of the best safest way to travel. Any advise would be appreciated.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Asheron]Malaria tablets, do you take them?

Is the risk really that high?[/QUOTE]

Malaria is not a problem in Phils., unless you go deep in jungles in which case guys with guns are a greater danger than the tiny mosquitoes!
Dengue fever in towns a far greater problem during the rainy season. Just use anti mosquito spray / cream, readily available in supermarkets in Phils and cover up with light colored cloths. Spray hotel room in mid afternoon after room is made up, then keep un-netted windows, doors closed if there is a local Dengue outbreak.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston]Malaria is not a problem in Phils.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm...Rey Langit may have a contradictory opinion on that...

As for malaria prevention, one doxy a day might work.

Dengue is a problem, true. But if you're otherwise healthy you will (most likely) survive. I think it's said that one in about 200.000 mosqitoes carry Dengue in PI. Count your bites ;)

[QUOTE=SixteenVolt182]I will be in Manila in May, I want to see my GF in Angeles. What is the best way to get there from Manila with 2 bags? I am not sure of the best safest way to travel. Any advise would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
If you cannot fly directly into Clark, then Swagman's "Fly The Bus" is a safe alternative.

[quote=mountain peep]juat finished vietnam, china, cambodia, and thailand for 3 months. now i am hooked on asia. the scenery, the people, culture, food, etc.

oh yes and the girls.

so where to next fall for one month, late oct/nov: indonesia or philippines?

this trip will primarily be about the sex, i admit. been in a dry spell blast few years and i am now unleashed by these delightful gals over there. wanna keep my expenses down to about $1200 for the month, excluding rt travel. i sleep, eat, and bus cheaply no problem.

i need to balance expenses with worthwhile sightseeing. seems indonesia is way prettier than philippines, but philippines cheaper (incl airfare).

i need this while i save up for a big year long trip in 2 years. i'll hit both on the big trip, especially exploring indonesia for a good couple months methinks,

if you search the vietnam thread you'll see a humorous first time travel experience i had. they'll be more.[/quote]


sounds like you been having yourself a time! some years ago before getting married and settling in the phils, i too roamed the pacific rim in search of the
universal cosmic hump. thailand and singapore being my favorite hunting grounds, i did monger in indonesian (having worked in e. timor) and on occassion ran up to "civilization" ie yogyakarta and jakarta for carnal persuits (bali is great for drunken japanese tourist girls). however, having just missed having my hide scorched by islamic militants (ala jamaya islameel) in yogyakarta who were on some sort of "lets burn down the bars where the white men hump our women" campaign, i decided i would persue poon in safer environs such as the pi.

the main point i am trying to make is despite what the us embassy (an other nations) caution on "travel warnings" and "dont go there's" the phils is still much safer and more monger friendly compared with indonesia where various
14th century thinking potentates just might declare fatwah's again should they see too many white guys humping brown skinned women. trust me on this one, the indo is a more hostile environment to westerners and is gonna get worse.

then there is the communication thing, you have probably experienced this in the various countries you visited, yeah you can always get the message across, point to her mouth, your dick and ask how much, they all understand that, but the filipina is better "english" articulate than her scarlet sisters in various countries, this means you will be able to have a rudimentary conversation that contributes to the gfe that we all like, where as i find the thai more mercenary and the viets totally cold.

you can easily keep your expenses down in your budget range, spamhogs help[ful hint says find a local honey who can help you get to point a from point b on a shoestring budget, find the right one and you can save a bundle letting her do the negotiation with van drivers etc.

good luck

spamhog

[QUOTE=Pute Nut]Hmmm...Rey Langit may have a contradictory opinion on that...

As for malaria prevention, one doxy a day might work.

Dengue is a problem, true. But if you're otherwise healthy you will (most likely) survive. I think it's said that one in about 200.000 mosqitoes carry Dengue in PI. Count your bites ;)[/QUOTE

Risk exists in areas below 600 meters (1,969 feet). No risk in the provinces of Aklan, Bilaran, Bohol, Camiguin, Capiz, Catanduanes, Cebu, Guimaras, Iloilo, Leyte, Masbate, northern Samar, Sequijor, and metropolitan Manila. No risk in urban areas. Basically keep away from rural N.E. Luzon, Palawan and Mindinao.

Things are getting riskier all the time - see article in full below:

Sex disease turns into a 'superbug'

* A correspondent in Atlanta
* April 14, 2007

HEALTH officials in the US have recommended nationwide use of a new drug to treat gonorrhoea because the sexually transmitted disease, now considered a superbug, is steadily becoming resistant to the long-time standard antibiotic.

The disease has grown increasingly resistant to fluoroquinolones, the most common treatment for the bacterial disease since the early 1990s.

The US federal Centres for Disease Control and Prevention recommended yesterday that a different class of antibiotics, cephalosporins, be used instead.

"Gonorrhoea has now joined the list of superbugs for which treatment options have become dangerously few," Infectious Disease Society of America president Henry Masur said.

"To make a bad problem even worse, we're also seeing a decline in the development of new antibiotics to treat these infections."

The CDC made the recommendation after discovering that nearly 7 per cent of gonorrhoea cases among heterosexual men in a survey of 26 US cities last year had drug-resistant strains of the disease. In 2001, only about 0.6 per cent of gonorrhoea cases among heterosexual men were drug-resistant.

"That leaves us with a single class of highly effective antibiotics," said John Douglas, director of the CDC's division of STD prevention.

Other experts called the situation perilous.

It is the first time cephalosporins have been recommended to treat gonorrhoea for the entire US population, though the CDC recommended the antibiotics to treat drug-resistant gonorrhoea in California and Hawaii in2002.

In 2004, the CDC made the same recommendation to treat the bacterial infection among American men who had sex with men.

The new antibiotics included the generic drug ceftriaxone, also known under the brand name Rocephin, which must be injected and worked "very well", Dr Douglas said, although the drug was not commonly stocked in doctor's offices. Fluoroquinolones were more commonly available and easy to use because they could be taken orally in a single dose.

Ceftriaxone must be given as a shot and costs about $US20 ($24).

More than 700,000 people in the US caught gonorrhoea each year through sexual contact, the CDC said. It was the second most commonly reported infectious disease in the US.

The highest rates of infection were among sexually active teens, young adults and African-Americans. Because many people did not have obvious symptoms, they could unknowingly spread it to others.

Though treatable, gonorrhoea put people at greater risk of catching the AIDS virus, the CDC said. In women, it could cause pelvic inflammatory disease. In men, it could cause epididymitis, a condition of the testicles that could lead to infertility if untreated.

In the survey of 26 cities last year, Philadelphia had the highest percentage of drug-resistant cases, at almost 27per cent, followed by areas in California and Hawaii where health officials have long known about drug resistance.

A quarter of gonorrhoea cases among heterosexual men in Honolulu, San Diego and Orange County, California, were drug-resistant, followed by 22.5per cent of cases in San Francisco and 22 per cent in Long Beach, California. More than 15 per cent of cases in Miami were drug-resistant to the bacteria, the CDC said.

San Francisco's drug-resistant cases more than doubled between 2004 and last year, from 10.3 per cent to 22.5per cent. During the same period, Miami's cases spiked from 2.1 per cent to 15.3 per cent and Atlanta's climbed from 1per cent to 5.7per cent.

Consistent and proper use of condoms would stop the disease's spread, experts said.

AP

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S SUGGESTION[/u]:[/b] [blue]This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it under the [u]Safe Sex[/u] topic in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/size]

I was just wondering how difficult it is to find the Plan "B" contraceptive pills (the morning after pill) in Manila or Cebu?

On my last trip, I had to bring my own from the home country, but am hoping to get them over there for my next trip.

Any idea?

Anyone with any idea on this?

[QUOTE=Diver69]I was just wondering how difficult it is to find the Plan "B" contraceptive pills (the morning after pill) in Manila or Cebu?

On my last trip, I had to bring my own from the home country, but am hoping to get them over there for my next trip.

Any idea?[/QUOTE]

Is it true asia and europe has the latest style of cell phones and the US is the last to get the latest phone? If so is it cheaper to buy the coolest latest cell phone in phili? I'm planning to go back to phili sometime soon, I want 2MP camera video phone, speakerphone, with quad band, So would I save money buying a cell phone in phili vs usa? If phili is cheaper which phone you recommend that has good quality ect.

Thanks!

Does anybody know if that 24 hour pharmacy near Quickie Stomach on Makati Ave. In Makati still open? If not, does anybody know where else I can get some Viagra in Makati or Manila?

[QUOTE=Bumbo]Is it true asia and europe has the latest style of cell phones and the US is the last to get the latest phone? If so is it cheaper to buy the coolest latest cell phone in phili? I'm planning to go back to phili sometime soon, I want 2MP camera video phone, speakerphone, with quad band, So would I save money buying a cell phone in phili vs usa? If phili is cheaper which phone you recommend that has good quality ect.

Thanks! [/QUOTE]I think Malaysia tend to get new stuff before the P. I. Prices are cheaper because you don't have to buy a service contract. But it's not cheap enough to fly here just for a phone. Still, you can haggle. Best prices are from phones superseded by newer models. New models are always high. Be careful, some stores will remove accessories like headphones and substitute items with cheaper stuff like smaller memory cards. There are authorized dealers for certain brands like Nokia. I would advice to check them out 1st because they will tell you what to watch out and what for though their prices will be higher. Once you paid for it refunds are difficult to get. If you pay via credit card, you'll have some recourse. As for brand recommendations, just find one with the features and looks you like. I started with Nokia, switched to Moto for it's thinness than back to Nokia for the simple fact that I can enter multiple phone-numbers with one addressee which was not possible with my moto unless I enter his more than once in the adressbook. Also, make sure the phone you pick can be used in the USA ! Goodluck

[QUOTE=Bumbo]If so is it cheaper to buy the coolest latest cell phone in phili? [/QUOTE]
I usually don't go for the latest phones, but I think with the depreciating USD it's not worth it.
Cheers!

[QUOTE=Darth Sushi]I think Malaysia tend to get new stuff before the P. I. Prices are cheaper because you don't have to buy a service contract. But it's not cheap enough to fly here just for a phone. Still, you can haggle. Best prices are from phones superseded by newer models. New models are always high. Be careful, some stores will remove accessories like headphones and substitute items with cheaper stuff like smaller memory cards. There are authorized dealers for certain brands like Nokia. I would advice to check them out 1st because they will tell you what to watch out and what for though their prices will be higher. Once you paid for it refunds are difficult to get. If you pay via credit card, you'll have some recourse. As for brand recommendations, just find one with the features and looks you like. I started with Nokia, switched to Moto for it's thinness than back to Nokia for the simple fact that I can enter multiple phone-numbers with one addressee which was not possible with my moto unless I enter his more than once in the adressbook. Also, make sure the phone you pick can be used in the USA ! Goodluck[/QUOTE]I'm not going to phili just for the phone Lol! I'll be going back, once my wife to be visa is approved! I was wondering if they have LG phones? well anyways she will help me out to find better authorized dealer with lower price once I find the phone I like I will use her sim card to test the phone before I buy, The reason I want to get the phone in phili if I find good price on phone, I don't want to plan to sign up a new contract with my provider because I get a new phone from them.

[QUOTE=Bumbo]I'm not going to phili just for the phone Lol! I'll be going back, once my wife to be visa is approved! I was wondering if they have LG phones? well anyways she will help me out to find better authorized dealer with lower price once I find the phone I like I will use her sim card to test the phone before I buy, The reason I want to get the phone in phili if I find good price on phone, I don't want to plan to sign up a new contract with my provider because I get a new phone from them.[/QUOTE]Surprisingly, I haven't noticed a lot of LG phones (though lots of LG appliances are available), especially with the top of the line models. Nokia and Moto are commonplace. Sony-Erickson and Samsung will have a few models.

I will be headed to Phil in Sept for 40 days and would like to bring my new Dell laptop to use for e-mail and yahoo chat and not have to deal with the internet cafe scene. Does anyone know specifically what I will need to do once I am there in Cebu to get hooked up? I have heard both SMART and GLOBE have this service so maybe I would just need to take my laptop to the SM and go to their store? Do you get a load like a cell phone or is a long term contract necessary? Is it necessary to buy any hardware? It's not necessary to respond on the forum so a PM will do unless you feel the information would be helpful to more techno challeneged mongers like myself.
Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Nightrider1]I will be headed to Phil in Sept for 40 days and would like to bring my new Dell laptop to use for e-mail and yahoo chat and not have to deal with the internet cafe scene. Does anyone know specifically what I will need to do once I am there in Cebu to get hooked up? I have heard both SMART and GLOBE have this service so maybe I would just need to take my laptop to the SM and go to their store? Do you get a load like a cell phone or is a long term contract necessary? Is it necessary to buy any hardware? It's not necessary to respond on the forum so a PM will do unless you feel the information would be helpful to more techno challeneged mongers like myself.
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

Just as you can buy cell phone cards at hundreds of locations, so can you purchase Internet cards in various denominations. Once you scratch off the back, you'll find a user name and a password. All that you need is a Wifi location, and you're in business. There are dozens of Wifi hotspots, including the Starbucks cafes, hotel lobbies and assorted other restaurants and coffee houses. If you're only going to be in country for a short time, there's no need to purchase a subscription.

I don't think that type of service is available where you can be anywhere and get internet wireless. Depending on your hotel you can buy minutes for their wireless network. It will be more expensive than what you can get at a cafe of course. I don't know if their are hotels like in AC where the service is free in Cebu.

[QUOTE=Key Master]I don't think that type of service is available where you can be anywhere and get internet wireless. Depending on your hotel you can buy minutes for their wireless network. It will be more expensive than what you can get at a cafe of course. I don't know if their are hotels like in AC where the service is free in Cebu.[/QUOTE]

As I said, it's available in all Starbucks Cafes, in many hotel lobbies, and in several restaurants; at least that's true in Davao, CDO, Zamboanga and Manila. The services available through hotels tend to be more expensive, though more and more hotels are offering the service. Wireless service is also widely available in several of the country's airports. I know this because I use the service frequently.

GE

what's in a laptop? court ponders legality of border searches

ryan singel 06.20.07 | 2:00 am

is your laptop a fancy piece of luggage or an extension of your mind? that's the central question facing a federal appeals court in a case that could sharply limit the government's ability to snoop into laptop computers carried across the border by american citizens.

[b] the question, before the 9th u.s. circuit court of appeals, arose from the prosecution of michael timothy arnold, an american citizen whose laptop was randomly searched in july 2005 at los angeles international airport as he returned from a three-week trip to the philippines. agents booted the computer and began opening folders on the desktop, where they found a picture of two naked women, continued searching, then turned up what the government says is child pornography. [/b]

in june 2006, a judge from the u.s. district court for the central district of california threw out the evidence, finding that customs officials must have at least "reasonable suspicion" to begin prying into the contents of an electronic storage device, a decision the government is now appealing.

"electronic storage devices function as an extension of our own memory," judge dean pregerson wrote. "they are capable of storing our thoughts, ranging from the most whimsical to the most profound. therefore, government intrusions into the mind -- specifically those that would cause fear or apprehension in a reasonable person -- are no less deserving of fourth amendment scrutiny than intrusions that are physical in nature."

while it's not clear how many laptops are searched at the border each year, both business and recreational travelers are increasingly toting computers with them, complete with hard drives full of personal pictures, confidential corporate documents and revealing internet logs. an october 2006 survey of business travel executives revealed that some companies were rethinking rules on proprietary information being stored on traveling laptops, and 1 percent of the respondents reported they had, or knew someone who had, a laptop confirep001ed at the border.

the reach of such searches will likely widen as more and more people opt for smartphones, such as apple's upcoming iphone, which combine elements of traditional computers with the voice capabilities of a cell phone.

the california decision is the first to challenge that trend, and it makes laptops, and even usb memory sticks, very different from every other item brought across the border, including luggage, diaries, prescription drug bottles and sexual toys -- all of which customs and border agents have been allowed to search without cause for years under the "border exception" to the fourth amendment.

the government says the rationale behind that exception -- that border agents are responsible for protecting the safety of the nation and enforcing copyright and obscenity rules -- logically extends to laptops. "for constitutional purposes nothing distinguishes a computer from other closed containers used to store highly personal items," the department of justice argues in its appeal brief.

moreover, requiring government agents to have a reasonable suspicion before searching a laptop will invite smugglers and terrorists to hide contraband and evidence there, the government argues. "if allowed to stand, the district court's decision will seriously undermine the nation's vital interest in protecting its borders by removing the significant deterrent effect of suspicionless searches," reads the filing.

arnold's lawyers, kevin lahue and marilyn bednarski, disagree, arguing that it's not very difficult for law enforcement agents to come up with "reasonable suspicion."

"no ordinary traveler would expect their private files to be searched at the border without any reasonable justification," they told the appeals court. "the government's argument that a traveler can simply avoid exposure by leaving the laptop at home is an oversimplification of its function and role in daily life."

lahue has support from the association of corporate travel executives and the electronic frontier foundation. the two groups submitted a friend-of-the-court brief tuesday arguing that suspicionless searches of laptops are overly invasive, and that prior to the california ruling, the government had no limits on what it could do when it seizes a laptop and makes a copy of the hard drive.

already travelers have reported customs agents seizing laptops, making copies of the hard drive and returning the computers weeks later. that practice scares the travel execs' association and the eff, which argue that under the government's reasoning, border authorities could systematically copy all of the information contained on every laptop computer and cell phone that crosses the border, without any court oversight.

"a suspicionless unrestricted search of a laptop computer is simply electronic eavesdropping after the fact," the groups told the court. "(it) is distinguishable from the forbidden general searches of colonial times only by the technologies involved."

the case's outcome is far from clear-cut, according to lahue.
"a lot will depend on whether the court decides it's like searching a piece of luggage or like a body-cavity search," lahue told wired news. "a diary, even one that is labeled 'my secret sexual fantasies,' has always been fair game."

the government's reply brief is due june 26, and the case will likely be argued sometime in the fall.

source: [url]http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2007/06/laptopsearches[/url]

I'll be in country for all of August, then back to work in South Korea (I'm an American in my mid-40's).

My main objective is to find a young(ish), attractive Pinay to marry and bring back to South Korea, where I'll finish up my work contract next March. Then back to the states to work (more than likely).

I don't care what her background is (bar girl, farm girl, etc. is OK). In fact, I prefer someone from a poorer, less sophisticated background - lower expectations, if you get my drift. Therefore, I have avoided chat rooms and the like.

What area, province, town or city would be best for my purposes? Any advice as to where I should concentrate?

Oh, by the way, I've visited AC and Boracay a few times in the past and always had a ball there.

Many thanks.

[QUOTE=MikeSaw]
My main objective is to find a young(ish), attractive Pinay to marry and bring back to South Korea, where I'll finish up my work contract next March. Then back to the states to work (more than likely).

I don't care what her background is (bar girl, farm girl, etc. is OK). In fact, I prefer someone from a poorer, less sophisticated background - lower expectations, if you get my drift. Therefore, I have avoided chat rooms and the like.


[/QUOTE]

Don't assume that a girl from poor background is going to have lower expectations. If anything, you should look for a girl that knows you have to work hard for your money. Find one who works and has good work ethic, that will translate into the bedroom. Cebu is good place for wife material.

Mike -

I live in ROK and have a Pinay wife as do many of my friends and your quoted timeline is quite short with respect to all that you will have to go through to get your bride to ROK, much less than the states... Would suggest that you look into the VISA and passport process first... My thing would be to try to find a chickie that already has a passport.

N_R

[QUOTE=MikeSaw]I'll be in country for all of August, then back to work in South Korea (I'm an American in my mid-40's).

My main objective is to find a young(ish), attractive Pinay to marry and bring back to South Korea, where I'll finish up my work contract next March. Then back to the states to work (more than likely).

I don't care what her background is (bar girl, farm girl, etc. is OK). In fact, I prefer someone from a poorer, less sophisticated background - lower expectations, if you get my drift. Therefore, I have avoided chat rooms and the like.

What area, province, town or city would be best for my purposes? Any advice as to where I should concentrate?

Oh, by the way, I've visited AC and Boracay a few times in the past and always had a ball there.

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]

Aloha...

Just curious if there are any strict regulations about shipping adult entertainment and/or toys to PH. I hope someone can help me with this.

I want to send something to a friend of mine in PH. I have an address which her family works at a University.

Suggestions?

Thanks.

Mike,

It's gonna be a little difficult to do the marriage thing. You can't do it as easily as your post states. I don't know what the requirements are for Korea but if you're planning to bring her to the US you have to go through the process of getting her a K1 Visa and that takes quite a long time at the moment. Some basic requirements for the US:

You must be a US citizen
You and your fiance are legally free to marry (have proof of your divorce)
You knew your fiance in the previous 2 years
You have the intention to marry within 90 days of her coming to the US.

You can marry her there in the PI but getting her to Korea requires at the minimum a passport and then it will be conditional for her to travel and stay with you there. Coming to the US is even more strict, she will need to return to the PI and wait for her Visa application to be approved first then she will have an interview "if" she gets the approval from USCIS. You also need to have pics/video of you guys together, or some form of documentation showing you knew her.

Costs to bring her to the US run from application fees of $175 to up to $1500 for the full complete process. I recommend you get an attorney to handle everything for you, plus it will be much faster since they have the knowledge of the processes. I may be missing some minor things but those are the basics. Good luck!

Ol' Timer

[QUOTE=Kim Chee Kane]Aloha...

Just curious if there are any strict regulations about shipping adult entertainment and/or toys to PH. I hope someone can help me with this.

I want to send something to a friend of mine in PH. I have an address which her family works at a University.

Suggestions?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]
There is a company online there that has Adult toys, so you don't have to do that. Asia Toys

Any of you guys think immigration targets guys returning from Thailand or the Philippines cause they know both are sex tourist destinations. The 1st time I came back to Canada I never got the search and question thing. I was picked out of the crowd this time. I know they have to random check some of the people. I never had anything to hide, but the dude was really interested in my negatives(photos). There were a few pictures of my sweetie's young sister and her cousin that he kept asking about. I thought like, " FUCK OFF MAN, DON'T EVEN GO THERE". Absolutely nothing wrong with the pics, just normal shots of smiling kids.

I'm wondering now if I'll be searched every time I go. A 40ish male going solo, you think "profiling", the same way they profile Muslims. Anyone have any experiences with immigration on their return home?

I am bringing my electric shaver and my cell phone recharger to the phillipines. Do I need a converter for the outlets? I am staying at the Apartelle if that makes any difference.

[QUOTE=Imperial521]I am bringing my electric shaver and my cell phone recharger to the phillipines. Do I need a converter for the outlets? I am staying at the Apartelle if that makes any difference.[/QUOTE]

Check your chargers. It is 220v here so if your phone charger says 100-240v (which it probably does), you don't need a transformer. If your electric shaver says 110v (which it probably does), you need a transformer for it. You can buy one at Ace Hardware or any hardware store for about 250-350 pesos.

[QUOTE=Imperial521]I am bringing my electric shaver and my cell phone recharger to the phillipines. Do I need a converter for the outlets? I am staying at the Apartelle if that makes any difference.[/QUOTE]Converter for outlets, and voltage. Go to any hardware at any mall they can fix you up cheep.

B.B.

[QUOTE=Tungsten Chef]Any of you guys think immigration targets guys returning from Thailand or the Philippines cause they know both are sex tourist destinations. The 1st time I came back to Canada I never got the search and question thing. I was picked out of the crowd this time. I know they have to random check some of the people. I never had anything to hide, but the dude was really interested in my negatives(photos). There were a few pictures of my sweetie's young sister and her cousin that he kept asking about. I thought like, " FUCK OFF MAN, DON'T EVEN GO THERE". Absolutely nothing wrong with the pics, just normal shots of smiling kids.

I'm wondering now if I'll be searched every time I go. A 40ish male going solo, you think "profiling", the same way they profile Muslims. Anyone have any experiences with immigration on their return home?[/QUOTE]I think they ask questions but why would they bother you again? I think it's random and you got the luck of the draw.Canada I have been told is different than the states but I have also heard stories from guys from the U.S. I amself have never traveled anything but solo many times now and never had a problem.

If you look like an unmade bed you might attract attention but clean shaven and somewhat neet, I have never had a cross eye on any trip over or back.

B.B.

[QUOTE=Tungsten Chef]Any of you guys think immigration targets guys returning from Thailand or the Philippines cause they know both are sex tourist destinations. The 1st time I came back to Canada I never got the search and question thing. I was picked out of the crowd this time. I know they have to random check some of the people. I never had anything to hide, but the dude was really interested in my negatives(photos). There were a few pictures of my sweetie's young sister and her cousin that he kept asking about. I thought like, " FUCK OFF MAN, DON'T EVEN GO THERE". Absolutely nothing wrong with the pics, just normal shots of smiling kids.

full I'm wondering now if I'll be searched every time I go. A 40ish male going solo, you think "profiling", the same way they profile Muslims. Anyone have any experiences with immigration on their return home?[/QUOTE]

Yes, I think that you are correct; they are profiling. I was singled out from a full plane on a trip back from Singapore/Sumatra. Generally I'm not a very clued-in individual, and at first I was surprised that the woman agent was only interested in my digital camera. She wasn't interested in my luggage -only if I was carrying any more chips. I let her go through 250 snaps, mostly of repetitive jungle and beach scenery. When she asked if I travel alone, I growled back, "I always travel alone!" I wanted to add *****. Her only comment after she was through was "You took a lot of pictures." Pretty inane comment, but one can't afford to challenge these guys.

Of maybe 50 countries whose borders I've crossed over the years, only four have even looked in my luggage: Canada, New Zealand, Israel and the States.

What you really have to watch out for nowadays is that you declare all your cash upon entry. A fellow worker had his seized when he inadvertently forgot to declare an amount in travellers cheques just over $10,000. It took a visit to his MP and several months to get some, not all, of the money back. This guy is a meek working stiff, totally legitimate, returning from a family visit to SEA. They grilled him for three hours. He said they were "very rude."

Right now I'm searching for a friendlier police state in which to retire. Wish me luck.

[quote=john dust]yes, i think that you are correct; they are profiling. . . .

of maybe 50 countries whose borders i've crossed over the years, only four have even looked in my luggage: canada, new zealand, israel and the states.

what you really have to watch out for nowadays is that you declare all your cash upon entry.[/quote]on a return trip from costa rica, i got "light" questions from the border enforcement agent. she asked my purpose for visiting cr. i said, "to see a beautiful country, practice my spanish, and meet nice people." i volunteered that i took "lots" of pictures, and asked if she wanted to see all of them. it should only take a few hours. she declined with a wacked smile. generally, i do not take any pictures of little people, unless in a market scene or the like.

now, israel, i can understand. you should expect a full luggage search. i got one while in high school on a "sponsored trip" with my congressman as the patron.

with respect to the money. the u.s., and most countries, are very, very serious about moving large amount of currency over national borders. one should have a serious reason for having more than $10k in cash on yourself at any point in time. even local police will confirep001e such during a search, and you will need counsel to get it back.

Chaps,

There are loads of books about or set in the bar scene in Thailand (No Money No Honey, Thai Private eye, Stephen Leather does a lot of good stuff etc) there is certainly 10s and probably hundreds of them. I've even read a book set in the various mongering areas of Singapore.

I've been searching for literature fictional or otherwise that explores the Philippino bar culture in a similar fashion and have been unable to find a single book.

Can anybody recommend any books/authors that I can search for? If there aren't any of these sorts of books for the Philippines, why do you think that would be the case?

Cheers,

Blunderer

I've never read it but it's been in my favorites for awhile now. I was going to get it but never got around to it. So if you do get this book let everybody know if it's worth buying.

The authors name is " Amsterdam Rios " , HaHa great name!

Books called BARGIRLS, "BOOZE, SEX AND THE SINGLE MALE! Angeles City, Philippines"

Oh yea its a E-Book so no reading it in barns n nobles , darn

[quote=john dust]yes, i think that you are correct; they are profiling. i was singled out from a full plane on a trip back from singapore/sumatra. generally i'm not a very clued-in individual, and at first i was surprised that the woman agent was only interested in my digital camera. she wasn't interested in my luggage -only if i was carrying any more chips. i let her go through 250 snaps, mostly of repetitive jungle and beach scenery. when she asked if i travel alone, i growled back, "i always travel alone!" i wanted to add *****. her only comment after she was through was "you took a lot of pictures." pretty inane comment, but one can't afford to challenge these guys.

of maybe 50 countries whose borders i've crossed over the years, only four have even looked in my luggage: canada, new zealand, israel and the states.

what you really have to watch out for nowadays is that you declare all your cash upon entry. a fellow worker had his seized when he inadvertently forgot to declare an amount in travellers cheques just over $10,000. it took a visit to his mp and several months to get some, not all, of the money back. this guy is a meek working stiff, totally legitimate, returning from a family visit to sea. they grilled him for three hours. he said they were "very rude."

right now i'm searching for a friendlier police state in which to retire. wish me luck.[/quote]why would anyone carry over 10, 000 in cash on a vacation? and why when you know about the rules about the amount would you add yourself to that jackpot? like i have said before, think before you act. i never spent 10, 000 in less than 3-5 months with an extended stay here. things are cheeper here and where you gonna hide the cash or are you stupid enough to carry that much here or anywhere on the planet for that matter. the limit is 10, 000 and who needs that much cash? unless you are gonna set up shop for good here. get a wire trans or set up a bank account here and do it right. remember, everyone here needs cash and if they get the chance to seperate you from yours they will. you can get someone wasted here for less than 100. 00 dollars so what do you think they will do for a thousand or more?

laptops, cameras, and the like are checked on a regular basis by immigration and they should be. there is a large ammount of fucked up people here and all over the world today doing nasty things so get up to speed. whats the problem? if they want to check who cares unless you got something to hide! they have a job to do and if they did not do it here at home whereever what kind of shape would we be in then?

just make sure the stuff is in a restricted p[lace if you do not want them to see the pics you took. take out the card, add info to a disk i hopeyou don't think they will sit you down and check every disk they find. they on the other hand just might if they find a link to a reason off another source.

why push the buttons or give them a rope if you don't want to get held up.

b. b.

Joe,

Thanks for that, unfortunately, I've hunted through that site ad naseum and cannot find a click here to buy type link. I left a message so we'll see what happens, but he must lose a lot of customers this way.

Anybody got any other books they can suggest?

I've emailed him on both of the addresses on the site, but one has been rejected due to a full mailbox. If anyone does work out a way to buy this, please let me know.

Hmmm.. I hacked up the source of one of his pages such that the paypal link works again, paid my $4.95 and was sent to the download page, but downloading the book leads to a 404/File not found.

Bummer $4.95 and nada to show for it.

[QUOTE=Joe Island]I've never read it but it's been in my favorites for awhile now. I was going to get it but never got around to it. So if you do get this book let everybody know if it's worth buying.

The authors name is " Amsterdam Rios " , HaHa great name!

Books called BARGIRLS, "BOOZE, SEX AND THE SINGLE MALE! Angeles City, Philippines"

Oh yea its a E-Book so no reading it in barns n nobles , darn[/QUOTE]

[quote=bill buxton]why would anyone carry over 10, 000 in cash on a vacation? and why when you know about the rules about the amount would you add yourself to that jackpot? like i have said before, think before you act. i never spent 10, 000 in less than 3-5 months with an extended stay here. things are cheeper here and where you gonna hide the cash or are you stupid enough to carry that much here or anywhere on the planet for that matter. the limit is 10, 000 and who needs that much cash? unless you are gonna set up shop for good here. get a wire trans or set up a bank account here and do it right. remember, everyone here needs cash and if they get the chance to seperate you from yours they will. you can get someone wasted here for less than 100. 00 dollars so what do you think they will do for a thousand or more?

laptops, cameras, and the like are checked on a regular basis by immigration and they should be. there is a large ammount of fucked up people here and all over the world today doing nasty things so get up to speed. whats the problem? if they want to check who cares unless you got something to hide! they have a job to do and if they did not do it here at home whereever what kind of shape would we be in then?

just make sure the stuff is in a restricted p[lace if you do not want them to see the pics you took. take out the card, add info to a disk i hopeyou don't think they will sit you down and check every disk they find. they on the other hand just might if they find a link to a reason off another source.

why push the buttons or give them a rope if you don't want to get held up.

b. b.[/quote]

well bill, the question asked was "are middle-aged single male travelers being profiled?" my answer was yes. i found my own experience surprising and especially annoying after being awake 50 hours or so. if they had searched every single one of the passengers, they would have found many undeclared or illegal products: expensive jewelry, electronic equipment, clothing, maybe even the odd banned animal product. this used to interest customs in the old days, i.e. they used to be interested in items; now they are only interested in information.

i for one, was oblivious to the law concerning declaration of cash in excess of $10,000. i'm sure that it's written down on some leaflet, but not considering myself a money-launderer, it just didn't register, just as it didn't with my co-worker. there never used to be "currency controls" in canada. it's kind of a joke because billions of dollars are laundered daily by the big banks for big profits, and no government seems too interested in these bad guys. the international system is set up for this.

it may surprise you that some people don't consider $10,000 a large vacation expenditure. the person mentioned was carrying t-cheques, not cash; he was visiting a rich sea country, not a poor one. apart from human and animal trafficking, there is nothing that customs should bother about.

personally, i don't carry cash, as credit cards are handier nowadays in most countries. as you pointed out, it saves a bit of worry.

bye

I think that is odd, too. I thought the $10000 rule was in CASH.

[QUOTE=John Dust]Well Bill, the question asked was "are middle-aged single male travelers being profiled?" My answer was yes. I found my own experience surprising and especially annoying after being awake 50 hours or so. If they had searched every single one of the passengers, they would have found many undeclared or illegal products: expensive jewelry, electronic equipment, clothing, maybe even the odd banned animal product. This used to interest Customs in the old days, i.e. they used to be interested in items; now they are only interested in information.

I for one, was oblivious to the law concerning declaration of cash in excess of $10,000. I'm sure that it's written down on some leaflet, but not considering myself a money-launderer, it just didn't register, just as it didn't with my co-worker. There never used to be "currency controls" in Canada. It's kind of a joke because billions of dollars are laundered daily by the big banks for big profits, and no government seems too interested in these bad guys. The international system is set up for this.

It may surprise you that some people don't consider $10,000 a large vacation expenditure. The person mentioned was carrying T-cheques, not cash; he was visiting a rich SEA country, not a poor one. Apart from human and animal trafficking, there is nothing that Customs should bother about.

Personally, I don't carry cash, as credit cards are handier nowadays in most countries. As you pointed out, it saves a bit of worry.

Bye[/QUOTE]Suprise what? They fucking tell you to declare your cash if it's more than 10, 000 on the plane! I am not thinking that ten grand is big jack, but why travel with that much or more cash?

At home I feel safer with the cash than I do there because the cops smell the cash they just might charge you with a bogus trumped up fine. I don't think any le I have ever met here would dare to seperate me from the green but who knows. With atm's all around I am sure that will never be a big thing for me to wonder about. And yes, changing cash here, is not my kinda thing to do on a regular basis. Never had a problem, could be I never will, but, why take chances over paper when plastic gets the job done just as easy. Again the trans fee is not that hard on the wallet. After all some guys never give a gal taxi or trike cash the next day say nothing about a tip.

Like I said before, "if you think 50 peso's is lots of money you have stayed here too long"

Could be they never bother me because who knows why? Mid fortys white clean cut travel alone most of the time. Stay several months at a time. Who knows why I sure have no answer for it. Could be I have an honest face, or only 6-8 jailhouse tats glowing off my upper body and head could be they don't check until you have 10 or more showing. Just another good luck story I can tell ha.

B. B.

Changing the subject slightly, in the past we have discussed outsourcing programming work on here before and setting up an outsourcing office in a PEZA. This got me thinking about how I could wangle myself a holiday to the Philippines and I have come up with ingenious idea of travelling there on the pretense of doing some computer training. Ideally I would like to attend a bootcamp where I can master advanced object oriented techniques and PHP frameworks but failing that, a shorter holiday with just a 4 or 5 day UML course would suffice.

Therefore has anyone ever travelled to the Philippines and been on this type of training course? The alternative is India but I am not really fan of that type of lady.

Not sure about the Phils, but you could certainly find what you are looking for in Kuala Lumpur (where there are plenty of Philippinas, but no gogo scene) and I think I've seen something of the type in Bangkok as well.

If it were me, I'd bullshit, buy an O'Reilly, spend a couple of days playing on the laptop and have a bodgy certificate printed up when you get to the Phils.

You might want to give this crowd a ring, they have Zend course and whatnot so they may have OO stuff as well.

[url]http://www.activelearning.ph/courses/221_php_training_philippines.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Diet Cola]Changing the subject slightly, in the past we have discussed outsourcing programming work on here before and setting up an outsourcing office in a PEZA. This got me thinking about how I could wangle myself a holiday to the Philippines and I have come up with ingenious idea of travelling there on the pretense of doing some computer training. Ideally I would like to attend a bootcamp where I can master advanced object oriented techniques and PHP frameworks but failing that, a shorter holiday with just a 4 or 5 day UML course would suffice.

Therefore has anyone ever travelled to the Philippines and been on this type of training course? The alternative is India but I am not really fan of that type of lady.[/QUOTE]

Right, I have just finished reading this guy's ebook. He certainly seems to be a fan of AC!

First things first - does anybody know of any other adult books about the Phils?!

Essentially it reads much the same as a fairly lengthy field report. There's very little in there you wouldn't find here in a few minutes and there are a few photos that aren't brilliant.

That being said, I don't wanna bag the guy, he's obviously tried to get some notes together that would be useful to the first time visitor with some success.

It's probably worth the 5 bucks, but if you were to choose between that and a forum subscription, the latter would be a far better deal.

If you want a copy of the book, his website appears broken, but if you email him , I'm sure he'll get back to you telling you how to pay and will email a copy over... as I said, 5 bucks - you can't go too far wrong, but if you've been to AC before, you'd know everything in there already.

I think the rules prohibit me from posting his email address, so PM me for it or find it on his website.



[QUOTE=Joe Island]I've never read it but it's been in my favorites for awhile now. I was going to get it but never got around to it. So if you do get this book let everybody know if it's worth buying.

The authors name is " Amsterdam Rios " , HaHa great name!

Books called BARGIRLS, "BOOZE, SEX AND THE SINGLE MALE! Angeles City, Philippines"

Oh yea its a E-Book so no reading it in barns n nobles , darn[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Diet Cola]Changing the subject slightly, in the past we have discussed outsourcing programming work on here before and setting up an outsourcing office in a PEZA. This got me thinking about how I could wangle myself a holiday to the Philippines and I have come up with ingenious idea of travelling there on the pretense of doing some computer training. Ideally I would like to attend a bootcamp where I can master advanced object oriented techniques and PHP frameworks but failing that, a shorter holiday with just a 4 or 5 day UML course would suffice.

Therefore has anyone ever travelled to the Philippines and been on this type of training course? The alternative is India but I am not really fan of that type of lady.[/QUOTE]

Why not do the opposite and set up a training seminar in programming. You could offer "scholarships" to exceptionallly skilled young ladies there. If you found some talented undividuals you could set up that outsourcing company you talked about.

[QUOTE=Diet Cola]Changing the subject slightly, in the past we have discussed outsourcing programming work on here before and setting up an outsourcing office in a PEZA. This got me thinking about how I could wangle myself a holiday to the Philippines and I have come up with ingenious idea of travelling there on the pretense of doing some computer training. Ideally I would like to attend a bootcamp where I can master advanced object oriented techniques and PHP frameworks but failing that, a shorter holiday with just a 4 or 5 day UML course would suffice.

Therefore has anyone ever travelled to the Philippines and been on this type of training course? The alternative is India but I am not really fan of that type of lady.[/QUOTE]My 2 cents. Do not even think about India. You could find a course but will not find any extra curricular activities unless you are very lucky indeed. Going to the Phillipines is the right idea but I've no idea about courses. However, I'm off to set up my own training school as soon as I can raise the funds!

I several months ago I e mailed Steven Yang who has published several books on his travels and "play" in Southeast Asia. He has a book that can be bought at Amazon called "Butterfly". It is great reading and really helped me alot when I first got started mongering. He did tell me he is writing a book about his travels and adventures in Philippines and some "tricks" of the trade as they say. The Book "Butterfly talks about how he had just finish his mongering in manila and heading to Cambodia and Thialand and ends with him back in Manila again. Stenen Yang is well knowledgeable and writes a column regularly in one of the Asian Adult magazine. Can not remember which one but his column title is Always noted on the cover of the magazine as Ying and Yang. Reports of travel in southeast asia.

[QUOTE=John Dust]Yes, I think that you are correct; they are profiling. I was singled out from a full plane on a trip back from Singapore/Sumatra. Generally I'm not a very clued-in individual, and at first I was surprised that the woman agent was only interested in my digital camera. She wasn't interested in my luggage -only if I was carrying any more chips. I let her go through 250 snaps, mostly of repetitive jungle and beach scenery. When she asked if I travel alone, I growled back, "I always travel alone!" I wanted to add *****. Her only comment after she was through was "You took a lot of pictures." Pretty inane comment, but one can't afford to challenge these guys.

Of maybe 50 countries whose borders I've crossed over the years, only four have even looked in my luggage: Canada, New Zealand, Israel and the States.

What you really have to watch out for nowadays is that you declare all your cash upon entry. A fellow worker had his seized when he inadvertently forgot to declare an amount in travellers cheques just over $10,000. It took a visit to his MP and several months to get some, not all, of the money back. This guy is a meek working stiff, totally legitimate, returning from a family visit to SEA. They grilled him for three hours. He said they were "very rude."

Right now I'm searching for a friendlier police state in which to retire. Wish me luck.[/QUOTE]

Yes I do believe they are profiling. I have never been stopped coming back from 8 trips to the Phil until my last one. I think the red flag was when I was asked how many times i have been there and do i have famlily there. I said no family in Phil and then the next question was why I have gone so many times do I have business there. After I answered no I just go for vacation I was told to go to the inspection area and wait. Soon 2 guys start going through my luggage but mostly interested in my digital camera pics. I had taken about 180 pics and they looked at all of them on the memory card. I asked them why I was picked for " special inspection" and they said it was all just random.. YA RIGHT..lol..

Hello,

Where do I begin?

I'm 24, I've been speaking with a girl from Cavite city for over a year that I met from cherry blossom. I'm finally going to meet her, but the thing is I need to make sure she doesn't know about me geeting some pinoytang.

So the first several days she doesn't know I'm going to be there. I need a tip from a pro of how to arrive back at MNL and appear to be coming off a flight meeting a beauty from the 'greeters area'? This would be greatly appreciated.

So I've booked a hotel at the Century Citadel, which I hear is very close to LA CAFE, which seems to be the spot to hang for a few nights.

Questions;

Do I need to bring a power outlet converter. I am coming from North America for. Cell phone charges, laptop charger, etc?

What are the requirements to rent a car? And what company do you suggest? I saw someone mention going up into the mountains and driving taking picturees, and I concur; this sounds excellent.

Where do you suggest a Western mid twenties to hang out during the day about Makati? Cool, hip places? Starbucks with internet?

Thanks a lot in advance!

[QUOTE=Saphire Tonic]Hello,

Where do I begin?

I'm 24, I've been speaking with a girl from Cavite city for over a year that I met from cherry blossom. I'm finally going to meet her, but the thing is I need to make sure she doesn't know about me geeting some pinoytang.

So the first several days she doesn't know I'm going to be there. I need a tip from a pro of how to arrive back at MNL and appear to be coming off a flight meeting a beauty from the 'greeters area'? This would be greatly appreciated.

So I've booked a hotel at the Century Citadel, which I hear is very close to LA CAFE, which seems to be the spot to hang for a few nights.

Questions;

Do I need to bring a power outlet converter. I am coming from North America for. Cell phone charges, laptop charger, etc?

What are the requirements to rent a car? And what company do you suggest? I saw someone mention going up into the mountains and driving taking picturees, and I concur; this sounds excellent.

Where do you suggest a Western mid twenties to hang out during the day about Makati? Cool, hip places? Starbucks with internet?

Thanks a lot in advance![/QUOTE]

If you want to appear as a new arrival in Manila, I suggest you arrange to meet at the coffee shop in the NAIA airport (at left side of airport, arrivals area. Just say that it is a more civilized place to meet as one can sit down and relax there while waiting - just in case your flight is late.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston]If you want to appear as a new arrival in Manila, I suggest you arrange to meet at the coffee shop in the NAIA airport (at left side of airport, arrivals area. Just say that it is a more civilized place to meet as one can sit down and relax there while waiting - just in case your flight is late.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, mistyped - the coffee shop is inside the airport building, on extreme left side entrance of NAIA as you look at it, on DEPARTURES upper level. There is no coffee shop on arrivals level inside airport building. Just take a taxi to NAIA departures level. The coffee shop is open to non-flyers.

[QUOTE=Saphire Tonic]Hello,

Where do I begin?

I'm 24, I've been speaking with a girl from Cavite city for over a year that I met from cherry blossom. I'm finally going to meet her, but the thing is I need to make sure she doesn't know about me geeting some pinoytang.

So the first several days she doesn't know I'm going to be there. I need a tip from a pro of how to arrive back at MNL and appear to be coming off a flight meeting a beauty from the 'greeters area'? This would be greatly appreciated.

So I've booked a hotel at the Century Citadel, which I hear is very close to LA CAFE, which seems to be the spot to hang for a few nights.

Questions;

Do I need to bring a power outlet converter. I am coming from North America for. Cell phone charges, laptop charger, etc?

What are the requirements to rent a car? And what company do you suggest? I saw someone mention going up into the mountains and driving taking picturees, and I concur; this sounds excellent.

Where do you suggest a Western mid twenties to hang out during the day about Makati? Cool, hip places? Starbucks with internet?

Thanks a lot in advance![/QUOTE]


Number One: Do not even consider renting a car and driving yourself.

Number Two: Make sure you keep all your travel docs and passport at front desk. Filipinas are little detectives.

Number 3: Why aren't you coming up to Angeles City?

I think your plan is an excellent one, and you'll have a great time at LA Cafe. While you're there, don't forget to check out GPoint as well. It's about a ten minute walk from LA and sometimes it can be an excellent pick up spot.

I suggest that you don't bother with the whole airport subterfuge. It gets too complicated. Instead of doing that, when it's time to meet the CB lady, change hotels first. That way, there's no chance of an offhand remark that would suggest that you arrived earlier. Second, tell the girl to meet you at your new hotel, and just explain that the hotel offered you transportation from the airport and you, being new to Manila, didn't want to cope with the crowds and confusion at the airport. Or tell her you met a really nice guy on the plane who had a car and offered you a ride to the hotel.

As to your other questions, you don't need converters for the lap top or the cell phone as they will work on the current here. Most of the plugs are American style, but some are British, so you may want to bring some plug adapters to be safe.

Do not think about renting a car in Manila. For one thing, you won't have any idea of where you're going. For another, the driving behavior is much different here, and for still another, there's no place to park, ever. Just take taxis which are plentiful and cheap or, if you want to take a day trip, hire a car and driver, which any hotel can arrange for you.

During the day, try the Starbucks at Greenbelt 2. There's Wifi, and it's a terrific place to pick up ladies. Also, Starbucks is next door to Cafe Havana, which is a magnet for the hip crowd in the evening, and for ladies looking to find some new friends.

Have a great time.

GE

[QUOTE=Saphire Tonic]Hello,

Where do I begin?

I'm 24, I've been speaking with a girl from Cavite city for over a year that I met from cherry blossom. I'm finally going to meet her, but the thing is I need to make sure she doesn't know about me geeting some pinoytang.

So the first several days she doesn't know I'm going to be there. I need a tip from a pro of how to arrive back at MNL and appear to be coming off a flight meeting a beauty from the 'greeters area'? This would be greatly appreciated.

So I've booked a hotel at the Century Citadel, which I hear is very close to LA CAFE, which seems to be the spot to hang for a few nights.

Questions;

Do I need to bring a power outlet converter. I am coming from North America for. Cell phone charges, laptop charger, etc?

What are the requirements to rent a car? And what company do you suggest? I saw someone mention going up into the mountains and driving taking picturees, and I concur; this sounds excellent.

Where do you suggest a Western mid twenties to hang out during the day about Makati? Cool, hip places? Starbucks with internet?

Thanks a lot in advance![/QUOTE]

Hi,
GE is right dont drive for urself and forget the airport bola2, meet your honey at ur hotel, change hotel if you want. If you got to know her from CB Im sure she also have somebody else meeting before or after you, no offense but I have my experiance and those gurls used to get bola or get dumped, they know the game also. Besides after one week in Manila you might see things different, many many many gurls there. I suggest you to visit also Angeles city, belive me in your age you will have a lot more fun, despite its cheaper there, better air, not that noisy like in a big city (even ermita is ok) and hotels are cheaper. You should go there. Im there the whole august, PM me and I can help you out with what I know.


Enjoy

Happy hunting!

Blink

People,

I'm planning on taking an extended trip to the Phils next year and am currently engaged in heavy research.

I am wondering if anybody knows of anywhere with hang gliding instruction in The Philippines, any websites, companies, phone numbers etc? I've found some references to the fact that it can be done in Cebu, but can't find anything specific.

Many thanks,

Blunderer

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]I think your plan is an excellent one, and you'll have a great time at LA Cafe. While you're there, don't forget to check out GPoint as well. It's about a ten minute walk from LA and sometimes it can be an excellent pick up spot.

I suggest that you don't bother with the whole airport subterfuge. It gets too complicated. Instead of doing that, when it's time to meet the CB lady, change hotels first. That way, there's no chance of an offhand remark that would suggest that you arrived earlier. Second, tell the girl to meet you at your new hotel, and just explain that the hotel offered you transportation from the airport and you, being new to Manila, didn't want to cope with the crowds and confusion at the airport. Or tell her you met a really nice guy on the plane who had a car and offered you a ride to the hotel.

As to your other questions, you don't need converters for the lap top or the cell phone as they will work on the current here. Most of the plugs are American style, but some are British, so you may want to bring some plug adapters to be safe.

Do not think about renting a car in Manila. For one thing, you won't have any idea of where you're going. For another, the driving behavior is much different here, and for still another, there's no place to park, ever. Just take taxis which are plentiful and cheap or, if you want to take a day trip, hire a car and driver, which any hotel can arrange for you.

During the day, try the Starbucks at Greenbelt 2. There's Wifi, and it's a terrific place to pick up ladies. Also, Starbucks is next door to Cafe Havana, which is a magnet for the hip crowd in the evening, and for ladies looking to find some new friends.

Have a great time.

GE[/QUOTE]Gents,

Thanks a lot for the feedback. This helps alot. Though I appreciate the candor, I'm willing to take the risk of doing the whole airport facade. I hear there is a 'greeters area' outside the airport where they all hang out. This is true right? I should be all set if that is the case. She already asked me a while back for flight details and such, so I've sent this to her already, and she's already got all her arrangements to get up to manila with her mom to meet me a the airport. So I'm screwed. Luckily the confirmation I sent her has my 'new' dates!

To be continued.

PS- Sounds like you guys have experience with CB? Tell me more about what you think goes on. And if you have had any experiences with these girls. Good / Bad?

[QUOTE=Fastpiston]Sorry, mistyped - the coffee shop is inside the airport building, on extreme left side entrance of NAIA as you look at it, on DEPARTURES upper level. There is no coffee shop on arrivals level inside airport building. Just take a taxi to NAIA departures level. The coffee shop is open to non-flyers.[/QUOTE]Oh I see-- so is there anyway whatsoever to get into the arrivals section?

When you get to airport departure which is on the upper level you will need to head along side walkgoing left facing the terminal where peaple actually are checked first before actually going into the building. Just head down sidewalk until you hit stairs going down. Go down the stairs and you will then be in arrivals! Someone will ask you if you need help (airport security) Just tell them you made wrong turn and they will tell you that your in arrivals. If you been in airport there you will know where your at and where to go once you go down stairs. The bottom of Stairs are about 50 feet away beyond where you would meet the taxi stand where you meet your party that will be on other side of rode. Make sure you get to airport before she gets there though. I have done this 3 times and worked everytime. If you have question further ask!

[QUOTE=Saphire Tonic]Oh I see-- so is there anyway whatsoever to get into the arrivals section?[/QUOTE]
Hello ST,

Welcome to the board! Yes there is a way to appear that you walked off a plane. This has worked for me a few times in the past. Here is what you do:

Get dropped off at the airport early (departure level) with your luggage of course. Staying outside, walk down to the end of the terminal building (left side as you face the building). Go down the stairs toward the arrival area. There may or may not be a policeman there. Tell him you are meeting someone who is flying in (if you are a westerner, there should be no problem) and if he refuses to let you pass, give him 100 pesos.

They will not let you in the terminal building but there is an area outside where ground transportation picks passengers up. This is before the fenced in area where the locals wait (parking lot). Have a seat at one of the benches there and set a spell. Then at the appropriate time, walk through the gate and your home free! Please report back and let us know how things worked out.

As far as CB goes, I have met about two dozen women from there and 90% have been very sweet and sincere. Although some of the women tend to stretch the truth in their profiles, this can work to your advantage.

ST, just a word of caution. The fact that she's bringing her mom is not necessarily great news. They may be expecting you to fete the entire family and you may wind up paying for two hotel rooms; one for yourself and one for mom and the lady who is meeting you. I'm not saying this is necessarily going to be the case, but based on the evidence of hundreds of other people, it could be.
GE

I am somewhat claustaphobic and cannot fly 17 hours! The most I can do is 4-6 hours. Is there a way to hopscotch across Pacfic islands to get there? Like Hawaii, Tahiti, Fiji on to Indonesia ideas?

Thanks,

Don

[QUOTE=Desert Don]I am somewhat claustaphobic and cannot fly 17 hours! The most I can do is 4-6 hours. Is there a way to hopscotch across Pacfic islands to get there? Like Hawaii, Tahiti, Fiji on to Indonesia ideas?[/QUOTE]
Hello DD,

From the west coast you can fly LA > Honolulu > Guam > Manila with NWA and/or Continental but the second leg is close to 8 hours. PAL might have a similar route but I would never recommend anybody fly them. You might be SOL.

That's an unfortunate problem.

I've a few suggestions for you:

1) If you have the time and cash, take a cruise that gets you to somewhere in the region, the fly.
2) Go see your Doctor, explain the problem and he'll give you some tablets to knock you out. A couple of temazapam can turn a 14 hour flight into a 4 hour flight.
3) Fly business/first the extra space (due to the lack of boxes of money around ;)) should help your symptoms.
4) Hypnotherapy/meditation could help you deal with your symptoms.
5) If you are really loaded, come in a private jet/yacht - hell, I'll fly over to wherever you are to keep you company if you do that :D

[QUOTE=Desert Don]I am somewhat claustaphobic and cannot fly 17 hours! The most I can do is 4-6 hours. Is there a way to hopscotch across Pacfic islands to get there? Like Hawaii, Tahiti, Fiji on to Indonesia ideas?

Thanks,

Don[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Desert Don]I am somewhat claustaphobic and cannot fly 17 hours! The most I can do is 4-6 hours. Is there a way to hopscotch across Pacfic islands to get there? Like Hawaii, Tahiti, Fiji on to Indonesia ideas?

Thanks,

Don[/QUOTE]

So am I,but I still go. Sleep Deprivation is the only thing I use. Get up really early in morning and stay up till flight. When I am sleeping, it is a big world.

[QUOTE=Desert Don]I am somewhat claustaphobic and cannot fly 17 hours! The most I can do is 4-6 hours. Is there a way to hopscotch across Pacfic islands to get there? Like Hawaii, Tahiti, Fiji on to Indonesia ideas?

Thanks,

Don[/QUOTE]If you can manage 7 hours. Los Angeles to Hawaii to Guam to Philippines. The longest leg is Hawaii to Guam about 7 hours. Continental does have an island hopper between Hawaii to Guam so that 7 can be broken up if you want.

[QUOTE=Desert Don]I am somewhat claustaphobic and cannot fly 17 hours! The most I can do is 4-6 hours. Is there a way to hopscotch across Pacfic islands to get there? Like Hawaii, Tahiti, Fiji on to Indonesia ideas?

Thanks,

Don[/QUOTE]
Hi,
here is what you can do. get a seat near the emergency exit, or if not avaible (cause that are the most wanted seats) isle seat or row. so if u dont feel gud u can go to cr take ur pills or whatever u do whe u alone to relax.
Consult a doc and get urself some medicine, try before if it works.

Happy hunting!!

Blink

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]ST, just a word of caution. The fact that she's bringing her mom is not necessarily great news. They may be expecting you to fete the entire family and you may wind up paying for two hotel rooms; one for yourself and one for mom and the lady who is meeting you. I'm not saying this is necessarily going to be the case, but based on the evidence of hundreds of other people, it could be.
GE[/QUOTE]

Hi,
yes bringing the mom is alarm bell ring. Expect the unexpected LOL.

I suggest you forget the whole aiport set up. Im sure u do when you allread one week in Philippines LOL after you met tons of pretty gurls u dont worry bout that gurl so much any more, belive me.

I don tmeet any gurls I havent met before for airpirt pick up, cause aftr a 24 hours flight I need to adjust a bt, go to my hotel, freshing up and have a beer with my friend and have the FUN I LIKE!! Cause you neevr know what they up to. Filipinas think to have a gud time they bring their friends so u feel happy and enjoy, thats their wy of thinkin of havin fun and privacy. May way of thinkin havin fun , is get the gurl to my room and screw her :D.

Last time I met a gurl with her mom to pick me up started to pay 50 US for the "hired boyfren cabdriver" then we went to a place called the sigin cooks, bakla resto..stupid singing with gays...yeah that was the right thing I need after 24 hours flight heheehe. I pay again for them, they eat like they havent eaten since weeks. After one day I got bored with the gurl, other gurls were more hot and her mom allway s txt her to meet me up again to see also her husband cause her daughter is cherry...Thats another problem u have to consider, if she is innocent or she pretend to be innocent u in trouble.

Thats why I prefer to meet my dates in a place I like. anoher thing, dont wait for the gurls to met you up, some come late, some dont come at all and you there waisting ur time. And time is precious when you there.

So do your thing and txt the gurls or beter let them txt you. Meet them in a time here u dont monger, morning, lunch time etc. Evening is ur primetime, thats hwere u met up chicks or u already in ur hotel havin fun.

TRY Angeles CITY!! If you there, Im sure u give the airport thing a total miss and Im sure u even wont go back to Manila to met her up LOL.

If your first timer in PI you will see the real meaning of TRAFFIC :D.

So my advise for you, explore Manila for a night or 2, you find plenty of info where to go and where to stay budgetwise.
Then go to swagman hotel ermita and take fly the bus to Angels city. What to do there and where to stay also plenty of info on the board.

If you do this, you allways in control of things and not the gurls. for most of them ur a walking ATM, thats ok, cause most of the gurls for me are just for fun also. I treatthem gud and with respect, but if my bola2alert rings, Im off in a secound, cause time is money :D

I also will met gurls from sites. I met her with her auntie in mall of asia, one day after I arrive. Not been there yet so its agud thing. She is a stunner, thats why its ok to show up with her auntie. if she wants only shopping, I will disappear :D

Happy hunting!!

Blink

"just like you can take the girl out of the bar but you cannot take the bar out of the girl"
I would add you can take the girl away from the family but cannot keep the family away from the girl.
1. It is a bad idea to meet the family if you not serious in settling in philippines.
2. It is bad enough the girl thinks of you as a walking , fucking ATM but the whole family thinking of you as an ATM is worse.
3. The whole cultural experience of meeting the local people is nothing to write home about.
4. The girls consider it a priviledge to tell their family everything about you like how much money you give her, presents you bought etc. They already know all this before you meet them.
5. Never ever socially bond with the family and if you do you will be sorry with all kinds of demands which i will leave it to your imagination.
6. your welfare is secondary as far as the girl is concerned.

[QUOTE=FireWalker]I think that is odd, too. I thought the $10000 rule was in CASH.[/QUOTE]
The $10000 can be any combination of US currency, foreign currency, travelers checks, etc. It is legal to be carrying sums over $10k, they just want you to report it. That reporting information will be forwarded to the IRS for determination whether you owe taxes on it. Of course you should be prepared to explain it to both the Border people and to the IRS. But it's legal as long as you report it.

If you go to [url]http://help.cbp.gov[/url], you will see a list of common questions. Type "currency" into the search field to narrow the questions down, you will see that the first question that comes up is "How much currency / money / monetary instruments can I bring into the U.S.?"

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[QUOTE=Sammon]"just like you can take the girl out of the bar but you cannot take the bar out of the girl"

I would add you can take the girl away from the family but cannot keep the family away from the girl.

1. It is a bad idea to meet the family if you not serious in settling in philippines.

2. It is bad enough the girl thinks of you as a walking , fucking ATM but the whole family thinking of you as an ATM is worse.

3. The whole cultural experience of meeting the local people is nothing to write home about.

4. The girls consider it a priviledge to tell their family everything about you like how much money you give her, presents you bought etc. They already know all this before you meet them.

5. Never ever socially bond with the family and if you do you will be sorry with all kinds of demands which i will leave it to your imagination.

6. your welfare is secondary as far as the girl is concerned.[/QUOTE]Well this sure doesn't apply to me, unless it's in the future. I have 2 girlfriends in Phils, both in Mindanao. 1, I've known since 2002. The other I just visited in April, but have known her since December. Never yet have I had monetary demands made on me. Ate some bad food last trip and wound up in the hospital with amoeba. My honey was always by my side. Her mom and auntie would take turns staying over night also. They had to sleep on a lousy slab of wood.

If you're there just to "sleep around", it would be best to find girls who travel solo. We all know the younger 1's(well most of them) have chaperones. It's the Filapina way.

[QUOTE=Finrod]
If you go to [url]http://help.cbp.gov[/url], you will see a list of common questions.[/QUOTE]

Going waaaaay offtopic - sorry.

It is worth noting that if you click on that link directly, in the cbp.gov webserver logs, there will be a record of the fact that you went to their site from [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.org[/url]

I am guessing with the way big brother is over there you might not want any government agency to know you were looking at this site.

For reference, this is a general rule, if website 1 has a link to website 2 and you click on that link, the guys who run website 2 will be able to see that you came to them from website 1.

The way around this is to copy the link, then paste it into your browser (thereby going to it directly rather than clicking on a link to get there).

I'm going to Philippines a first time, so my question is, how safety is Manila and AC to walking around with digital camera, not the small compact, but big Nikon D200.

Thanx for advice

[QUOTE=Noman2]I'm going to Philippines a first time, so my question is, how safety is Manila and AC to walking around with digital camera, not the small compact, but big Nikon D200.

Thanx for advice[/QUOTE]

It depends. Look, don't take anything that you can't afford to lose. The KISS principle is in play at all times.

My suggestion is to not bring it at all, it is overkill. If you must bring, have it in safe unless you are using it.

Myself and 3 friends once did a night with 8 girls. Switching, fucking everywhere for 7 hours. We had cameras ready (Video and still), WHAT HAPPENDED? We totally forgot.

Well would not be the wisest thing to do. Its bad enough that if your a white guy you already stand out in the crowd. Showing expensive camera just go by a t shirt that says rob me I am rich.

If you have any street smarts this is the country you want to use them. If you use common sense most likely nothing will ever happen to you. Just like anywhere else. If the area does not feel right, look right, or seem right then move on to a safer area. ALSO remeber Taxi drivers, police, and politicians here are the sometimes the biggest crooks. Better idea is get compact camera and put it in Front pocket.

[QUOTE=Blunderer]Going waaaaay offtopic - sorry.

It is worth noting that if you click on that link directly, in the cbp.gov webserver logs, there will be a record of the fact that you went to their site from [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.org[/url]

I am guessing with the way big brother is over there you might not want any government agency to know you were looking at this site.

For reference, this is a general rule, if website 1 has a link to website 2 and you click on that link, the guys who run website 2 will be able to see that you came to them from website 1.

The way around this is to copy the link, then paste it into your browser (thereby going to it directly rather than clicking on a link to get there).[/QUOTE]
Blunderer, your point is *very* well taken. Everyone should watch out for this. ISG converts links by default. For the newbies, the easy way to copy the link is to right click it, then "copy link location" in Firefox or something similar in Internet Explorer.

[QUOTE=Noman2]I'm going to Philippines a first time, so my question is, how safety is Manila and AC to walking around with digital camera, not the small compact, but big Nikon D200.

Thanx for advice[/QUOTE]


Yo Noman,

Thats a nice camera! Dont worry..I'll personally show you around and protect you. You'll be safe, never fear. Where you gonna be at? Lets meet. PM me with details.

Don

[QUOTE=Dashing Don]Yo Noman,

Thats a nice camera! Dont worry..I'll personally show you around and protect you. You'll be safe, never fear. Where you gonna be at? Lets meet. PM me with details.

Don[/QUOTE]I'm planning to be there between Oct10 and Oct19, but I'm not shure yet.

[QUOTE=Noman2]I'm going to Philippines a first time, so my question is, how safety is Manila and AC to walking around with digital camera, not the small compact, but big Nikon D200.

Thanx for advice[/QUOTE]Ostentatious displays of wealth invite trouble in any big city but most especially third world ones.

I have a Sony K800 cell phone which incorporates a 3.2 megapixel camera & xenon flash - more than enough for holiday snaps/mongering memories - and can be slipped out of sight into a pocket.

I live in the Phils half the year & have family here, none of us will advise you to tote around flashy expensive items in full public view.

C'Ya & happy memories

Just to give another point of view, I've met many many people who have avoided bringing their expensive cameras to SE Asia for fear of theft, only to find they really regret not doing so.

What's the point of having a nice camera if you aren't going to use it when you most want high quality pictures. I rarely take pictures during day to day life, but (try) to take lots when wandering around - seems silly to have an expensive cam and only use it rarely.

Make sure you've got good travel insurance (which you'll want in case you are in a traffic accident or something anyway - touch wood) and the worst case is you'll be up for the excess, and, you be able to get a newer model :)
[QUOTE=Noman2]I'm going to Philippines a first time, so my question is, how safety is Manila and AC to walking around with digital camera, not the small compact, but big Nikon D200.

Thanx for advice[/QUOTE]

Anybody know if this can be bought in PI w/o prescription and how much does it cost?

I already been in SE Asia a few times with this camera (Thailand, Malaysia, Cambodia) and no problem at all, even in Phnom Penh I was walking around with camera in my hand, and nobody bother me.

But thanx for advice.

[QUOTE=Sleepy Floyd]Anybody know if this can be bought in PI w/o prescription and how much does it cost?[/QUOTE]You can buy over the counter at almost any pharmacy. Reckon on about p40 for a 500mg capsule.

Sleepy Floyd,

I have never had a problem of walking up to a pharmacy counter and simply telling them what you want, as long as you have the cash they will sell.

Although, all of my pharmacy purchases have been in Angeles, I don't know if pharmacies are more strict about selling without prescription in other areas.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Sleepy Floyd]Anybody know if this can be bought in PI w/o prescription and how much does it cost?[/QUOTE]

If you can spell it, you can buy it. Just fill in the scrap of paper at the counter of the local Mercury Drug with the name of the what you want, the dosage you want and number of tablets. The person behind the counter will handle the rest. I have never needed a doctors note for any antibiotic or pecker pill.

Hi mate

Is antone know what is my risk if a girl sure that she is carring a baby from me. can I visit manila and meet her? can she do to me something????

I have no problem to support her when she will proove me thats its MY baby. but at the mean time can she go to court or something?

ESSI

Essi,

If someone files a dispute against you, they can prevent you leaving the country untill the problem has been resolved.

Which can take many months.

Hi

thanks for your advice... I am not sure if I can trust her that I am the one.

But its better to be careful and not show up.... am I right?

ESSI

[QUOTE=Noman2]I'm going to Philippines a first time, so my question is, how safety is Manila and AC to walking around with digital camera, not the small compact, but big Nikon D200.

Thanx for advice[/QUOTE]

I have been here three months and I have only have had one instance where two young teenage boys tried to get my wallet.

I walking down the sidewalk in Manila around 1600 and the boys came over and got on each side of me. The one on my left put his head against my chest, under my arm and his right hand in front of me asking for money. He was pushing me toward his friend on the right. He was pushing hard enough that he stuck his hand in my back pocket to get my wallet...SHOCK, it wasn't there and I felt it. I snap back and grabbed his arm and yell, "What the fuck are you doing!" he jumped like I shot him and two security guards came over and took him away. Everyone around was laughing so hard that I caught them.

Maintain your situation awareness and you will be fine.

Stay safe,
Robb

[QUOTE=Essi]Hi

thanks for your advice... I am not sure if I can trust her that I am the one.

But its better to be careful and not show up.... am I right?

ESSI[/QUOTE]

Hi,
read ur posts and concerns.

This what I do: if I have barfined a gurl from bar I use condoms, comon sense, they might have another customer evry night and I don t like to get STD or any other things.

if that gurl stays with me for longer and I know her better I might run aids testing and then screw her without condom.

If I do that, she takes pills or I make sure my little friend is outside before he finish.

If I date normal gurls with job or colegue gurls I know longer I screw them without condoms, same I do with my gf I know longer and her family, but if I do I don tmake them prgnt.

So, as I read ur posts you dont know this gurl for sure neither met her family.

If she is a hooker, just stay in touch with emails, dont let her know you in PI, if she insists tellin you its ur chid, ask for proof. DNA testing can be done also in US, just ask her when the child is born for babys split ( no need to get blood frm the baby) and let it have send to your adress.

if you love the gurl ,meet her again, but be prepared to meet her family and get confronted with marriage etc etc etc.

Next time use condoms. I know not allways easy, you go out drink, get the gurl home,etc, but if Im talkin now to a matured guy not to an 18 year young guy you should know things better.

trust your instincts, if you smell trouble, walk away.


happy hunting

Blink

[QUOTE=Sagramore]Sleepy Floyd,

I have never had a problem of walking up to a pharmacy counter and simply telling them what you want, as long as you have the cash they will sell.

Although, all of my pharmacy purchases have been in Angeles, I don't know if pharmacies are more strict about selling without prescription in other areas.

Cheers![/QUOTE]

Mercury Drug will give you what you need.
Watsons, I guess because it is a Hong Kong company and has to play by the rules in the Phils., insist on a prescription.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston]
Watsons, I guess because it is a Hong Kong company and has to play by the rules in the Phils., insist on a prescription.[/QUOTE]

Interestingly, Watsons Phils is a joint venture with SM Prime Holdings. That's why no other pharmacy is allowed to set up shop in the SM malls.

In addition to the country's number one, Mercury, runner-up Manson Drug will do just fine and is usually marginally cheaper. There is one right on Fields.

Very interesting comment because there is a Rose's and Mercury at SM Cebu.

I've been looking for a company to charter a helicopter. I'm starting to think that this is not a usual request in PI. Still I want to see all these islands from the birds eye view.

[QUOTE=Joe Island]I've been looking for a company to charter a helicopter. I'm starting to think that this is not a usual request in PI. Still I want to see all these islands from the birds eye view.[/QUOTE]
You are probably better off hiring a small plane. What area are you interested in? There are only 9,000+ islands in the Philippines. I know of a pilot in AC if your interested.

[QUOTE=Mattrick]You are probably better off hiring a small plane. What area are you interested in? There are only 9,000+ islands in the Philippines. I know of a pilot in AC if your interested.[/QUOTE]Mattrick,

I don't have any specific plans yet. I'm in the process of making a itinerary. definitely going to put AC on my list to do for atleast for 3 days. This is my newbie trip so I will be doing some exploring of the major hot spots Manila,Makati,AC,etc. This forum has priceless information. I think Jackson should print a monthly magazine I would subscribe.

Anyway about the plane charter. Well I just want to get some info. on it first. I was assuming there was an established company with set prices and routes they fly. Come to think of it AC would give me the perfect operatunity to join the "Mile High Club" if I can find a girl to join me.

How much would a lady charge for a session in a plane?

You are the man! Thank you!

[QUOTE=Dcand4]When you get to airport departure which is on the upper level you will need to head along side walkgoing left facing the terminal where peaple actually are checked first before actually going into the building. Just head down sidewalk until you hit stairs going down. Go down the stairs and you will then be in arrivals! Someone will ask you if you need help (airport security) Just tell them you made wrong turn and they will tell you that your in arrivals. If you been in airport there you will know where your at and where to go once you go down stairs. The bottom of Stairs are about 50 feet away beyond where you would meet the taxi stand where you meet your party that will be on other side of rode. Make sure you get to airport before she gets there though. I have done this 3 times and worked everytime. If you have question further ask![/QUOTE]

Haha Thanks for the tip, but if thats the case, I will sleep on the floor and let them take the beds.. the mom, sister and my girl. I will say I really want to feel comfortable with my new family, let's stay together!

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]ST, just a word of caution. The fact that she's bringing her mom is not necessarily great news. They may be expecting you to fete the entire family and you may wind up paying for two hotel rooms; one for yourself and one for mom and the lady who is meeting you. I'm not saying this is necessarily going to be the case, but based on the evidence of hundreds of other people, it could be.

GE[/QUOTE]

Lots of guys here say they've withdrawn cash from ATMs in AC.

I have a Bank of America/Visa check card that's compatible with Interlink, Plus and Star. Will I be able to use it in AC?

[QUOTE=Unknown9398]Lots of guys here say they've withdrawn cash from ATMs in AC. I have a Bank of America/Visa check card that's compatible with Interlink, Plus and Star. Will I be able to use it in AC?[/QUOTE]

Not trying to be rude, but RTFF. If you go the Angeles page and RTFF you would have already known the answer. Plus, if you are going to Angeles, if I were you, I would have already read Everything on that forum to ensure that I was ready as I could be.

Have a safe trip and thanks for flying ISG.

Robb

Robbaf. Every time I use the search function, I receive a message that the server is being backed up. This happens *every* time I try to search, regardless of time of day or night. I assure you that I do RTFF and ask questions only when necessary.

I do my homework before I go anywhere, so thanks for the advice. But if I need a new mommy, I'll let you know.

Wow, is Robbaf having a bad day? It happens to all of us.

I'm not sure what a "visa check card" is, but a standard VISA card / bank card can be used at the ATMs -- I'm pretty sure both Plus and STAR are represented in the Philippines.

Always have a backup. For example take cash and a backup card. The pickpockets are most prevelant on the jeepneys and also SM -- apparently they use a crowding /distraction technique at SM mall.

X Man

[QUOTE=Unknown9398]Lots of guys here say they've withdrawn cash from ATMs in AC.

I have a Bank of America/Visa check card that's compatible with Interlink, Plus and Star. Will I be able to use it in AC?[/QUOTE]

Thanks, Xman. "Check card" is just another term for ATM card.

Does anyone know where I can buy some Black and Milds here in the Philippines?

Thanks
Robb

My sweety's been told we have to go to Manila embassy and get proof that I have never been married. I said, "I doubt it". Anyone know if this is true?? The documents should come from your own country, not from Phils or is it just another cash grab. Thanks for any/ all replies.

[QUOTE=Tungsten Chef]My sweety's been told we have to go to Manila embassy and get proof that I have never been married. I said, "I doubt it". Anyone know if this is true?? The documents should come from your own country, not from Phils or is it just another cash grab. Thanks for any/ all replies.[/QUOTE]

When I married a Filipina I had to show proof, as in my divorce papers, that I was single. I married in Japan, but had to produce the papers to register the marriage in the Philippine Embassy.

Good Luck
Robb

[QUOTE=Robbaf]When I married a Filipina I had to show proof, as in my divorce papers, that I was single. I married in Japan, but had to produce the papers to register the marriage in the Philippine Embassy.

Good Luck

Robb[/QUOTE]Ok, I checked out a site and it had a few more things to add. Need to go to a marriage or family seminar first. Also the registration process, it says takes 10 days to get the license. Man isn't there an easier way? It's gonna eat up lots of time.

The easiest way to get married here is to grab your prospective bride and get yourself to another country in ASEAN for which she does not need a visa. This is true for two reasons: (1) there's altogether less bullshit about the process of getting married and, most importantly (2) there's no divorce in the Philippines, which means you are fucked for life. Sure, if the marriage does not work out, you can buy an annulment, but that's gonna cost you $1,000 or so and takes a lot of time. Better to avoid the entire thing and go to Singapore for a civil ceremony on which the Catholic church cannot get its fingerprints.

You can always register your marriage, regardless of where it was performed, at the US Embassy. It's a simple process. I strongly recommend to guys thinking of having the actual ceremony performed here to think several times about it and then, if you're still committed to it, seek intensive psychological counseling.

GE

Sounds like great information, but if you were in a foreign country other than Philippines, I imagine you'd have to deal with a language other than English. Any specific country recommendation? I guess the obvious place would be Thailand.

Probably not a good idea to tell your lady that you don't want to get married in the Philippines because you want the option of divorce. Just stating the obvious....

Nevertheless, sounds like good strategy. And thanks for the chuckle at the end.

X Man


[QUOTE=GoodEnough]The easiest way to get married here is to grab your prospective bride and get yourself to another country in ASEAN for which she does not need a visa. This is true for two reasons: (1) there's altogether less bullshit about the process of getting married and, most importantly (2) there's no divorce in the Philippines, which means you are fucked for life. Sure, if the marriage does not work out, you can buy an annulment, but that's gonna cost you $1,000 or so and takes a lot of time. Better to avoid the entire thing and go to Singapore for a civil ceremony on which the Catholic church cannot get its fingerprints.

You can always register your marriage, regardless of where it was performed, at the US Embassy. It's a simple process. I strongly recommend to guys thinking of having the actual ceremony performed here to think several times about it and then, if you're still committed to it, seek intensive psychological counseling.

GE[/QUOTE]

GE,

Are you speaking from experience or just providing information that you have gained through others? I often hear you speak of your lady in your posts as your "wife" and then other times its your "gf". Did you get married there in the PI or go somewhere else? Or maybe you're not married at all?

Also, if you register the marriage through the US Embassy does one still need to go through the process of getting a visa to bring her to the US?

Just curious.

Ol Timer

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]The easiest way to get married here is to grab your prospective bride and get yourself to another country in ASEAN for which she does not need a visa. This is true for two reasons: (1) there's altogether less bullshit about the process of getting married and, most importantly (2) there's no divorce in the Philippines, which means you are fucked for life. Sure, if the marriage does not work out, you can buy an annulment, but that's gonna cost you $1,000 or so and takes a lot of time. Better to avoid the entire thing and go to Singapore for a civil ceremony on which the Catholic church cannot get its fingerprints.

You can always register your marriage, regardless of where it was performed, at the US Embassy. It's a simple process. I strongly recommend to guys thinking of having the actual ceremony performed here to think several times about it and then, if you're still committed to it, seek intensive psychological counseling.

GE[/QUOTE]Ok I will opt for the counseling.

I'm still thinking about this. If you are living in the Philippines and do things this way, you aren't recognized as married in the Philippines. Then, if you have children.... and then divorce....well, it could get complicated.

And, why are you "fkd for life"? You mean that you could never marry a 2nd Filipina? When I was in the US Navy, some of the Filipino guys had a wife in the US and a "wife" in the Philippines. That was a long time ago and I'm not sure if the Philippine marriage was "on the books".

Anyway, I'm enjoying single life!

X Man

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]The easiest way to get married here is to grab your prospective bride and get yourself to another country in ASEAN for which she does not need a visa. This is true for two reasons: (1) there's altogether less bullshit about the process of getting married and, most importantly (2) there's no divorce in the Philippines, which means you are fucked for life. Sure, if the marriage does not work out, you can buy an annulment, but that's gonna cost you $1,000 or so and takes a lot of time. Better to avoid the entire thing and go to Singapore for a civil ceremony on which the Catholic church cannot get its fingerprints.

You can always register your marriage, regardless of where it was performed, at the US Embassy. It's a simple process. I strongly recommend to guys thinking of having the actual ceremony performed here to think several times about it and then, if you're still committed to it, seek intensive psychological counseling.

GE[/QUOTE]

Actually, you are recognized as being married here; you're just not recognized by the church as having been married, but then, who cares? Do you honestly think that Filipinas who go to the US or elsewhere on Fiancee Visas and get married overseas are not recognized as married when they return with their husbands? I assure you that they are.

You're fucked for life if you marry here because you cannot get divorced....ever. Of course, you can go back to the States or elsewhere and get some sort of quickie divorce, but that will not be recognized here, so you can never marry a Filipina in country. Also, I strongly suspect (but I do not know for sure) that an in-country marriage carries more legal weight in the event of an eventual dispute with your spouse-for-life than a marriage performed outside of the country.

The risks of in-country marriage are not worth taking to me, and it's not something that I would ever do, but that's just one person's opinion and others may not share it.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]You're fucked for life if you marry here because you cannot get divorced....ever. Of course, you can go back to the States or elsewhere and get some sort of quickie divorce, but that will not be recognized here, so you can never marry a Filipina in country.[/QUOTE]If a Filipina marries a foreigner in another country but the foreigner (not the Filipina) subsequently obtains a divorce in that country, the divorce WILL be recognized in the Philippines, and the woman WILL be free to remarry, whether in the Philippines or elsewhere.

I know this kind of question has been asked in one form or another, but i just feel STUCK and in disbelief that the answer has to be so difficult.

I want a girlfriend from the Phils to visit me on a tourist visa. In fact, I may want her sister or friend to come along as well.

She worked in a bar and is doing nothing now (I know....be cynical...ok, she's fucking guys right and left and is for sure a no good lieing ***** that is taking advantage of me (-: )

So, the fact that she can show no consecutive employment is a strike against her getting a visa. Even if she were working in a bar for 12 straight moinths, would that help? If she could put on the application she worked or "Papion" and say it is a "restaurant"?

Then she has to have a ton of money in her bank account to get this visa. No, I don't trust her with 1000s, so I don't want to give her access to 1000s of USD in an acct. I could go to the Phils and fly with her or we could fly seperate.

Then....she can stay for, what 60 days MAX with all extensions?

Bottom line is I read that one should just FORGET bringing a girl over on a tourist visa. Could it really be that bad?

I own a "LLC" company in the US. Would it be a better route to try to apply for the most limited work visa possible? This company has no employees in usa, just me, and her skills? ....well they are indeed very SPECIALIZED and DIFFICULT TO FIND in the US, but not quite what us imigration has in mind i think.

How the hell do I get her over here? I was looking at these "sugar daddy" websites and all these girls want $5000 to spend a couple days a week with you + be showered with gifts. I want a live in situation like I can have in the Phils! In a world of outsourcing this should be possible!

Hey WL,
I sent you a PM. I've had the same idea to bring a Filipina over to the states on a tourist visa.

I tried it about 6 months ago, but she was denied. She had never worked in a bar, had no "negatives". From everything I've heard, getting a tourist visa for a young Filipina is nearly impossible. She needs to show a hefty bank balance at the minimum. The criteria is based on the applicants ties to their home country. If she doesn't own property and / or have a very high paying job and have a significant long term bank balance, she will most likely be denied.

If anyone has an alternative or an approach that would work, I'd also be interested.

The work visa idea sounds more promising to me, but I expect that would get complicated.

Good luck WL.

CS

I researched this too. Outside of the wealthy class, business owners with at least 700k pesos in the bank for at least a year stand the best chance of getting a tourist visa. For everyone else, it is virtually impossible as it is assumed the filipino is going to go TNT. The burden is on the filipino to prove otherwise, and the bar is set too high for most of them.

I got the 700k figure from someone I ran into who runs a visa service. That's over US$15k which is more than most filipinos will see in their lifetimes.

You can try looking into student visas if she has enough secondary education to qualify, but that requires getting admitted somewhere stateside. Or you could try finding a nurse for a gf: if she is bright enough to pass the exam, she may be able to get a visa for nursing job.

I am in similar situation but live in the UK. My "girl" says I should come with her to the Visa service place as otherwise she will be denied. Anybody know the chances of her getting tourist visa to visit UK?

WL,
We've tried for many years to get my wife's sister(s) over here. but no dice.
From what I know it sounds like a fiance visa may be your best route.
Of course, that would only work for your girl, not all three of them.
;-(

[QUOTE=Wander Luster]
... I want a girlfriend from the Phils to visit me on a tourist visa. In fact, I may want her sister or friend to come along as well ...[/QUOTE]

WL:

With all due respect, why do you wanna invite somebody from the Philippines? Wouldn't it be wiser (and more economical) to spend that money for your own trips to Manila?

Of course it is your money and your private decision, so no insult, just curiousity! However, I am eager to understand the reasons for such kind of charity, but I have to admit, until now without the slightest success! Maybe you can enlighten me?


Cheers - Hesekiels

[QUOTE=BigSmile]I am in similar situation but live in the UK. My "girl" says I should come with her to the Visa service place as otherwise she will be denied. Anybody know the chances of her getting tourist visa to visit UK?[/QUOTE]

It is a right pain in the arse!

A friend of mine wanted to bring her Thai boyfriend over to meet the parents etc a while back and it was a bloody nightmare. He had to provide all sorts of paperwork, financials, his father's will (to prove he would inherit some land) etc etc.

Further, my friend had to provide payslips for the last umpteen months from both herself and her mother.

After months (and her having to take a couple of trips out there to help out) the interview finally rolled round. The 2 of them walk in, are immediately separated and with no further preamble "Are you pregnant?"

Eventually (I seem to recall the whole process took at least 4 months) he was granted a 6 month tourist visa. The odd thing was, the embassy also gave him a letter and told him he had to present it to the BKK embassy within 3 months of departure or he'd never get a visa from them again - so effectively he wound up with a 3 month visa. I've no idea why the embassy took that approach.

Frankly, this could all be made a lot easier. They could have the current system, but have a fast track bond system - hand em £10k along with maybe a criminal records check or something and you are all good. You don't get your £10k back until she's left the country. I read Australia has a scheme like that somewhere, but only for family members.

Ah shite, just realized this is a Philippines thread and I've spouted off about the British embassy in Thailand. Don't worry, I am sure that the embassy in Manilla will expend considerable energies making sure that noone in there will be any happier than anyone in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Hesekiels]
Wouldn't it be wiser (and more economical) to spend that money for your own trips to Manila?
[/QUOTE]

I'd say the primary advantage is that you don't have to take any holidays from work. Most of us only get 4 weeks a year - 6 if you are lucky.

[QUOTE=Blunderer]I'd say the primary advantage is that you don't have to take any holidays from work. Most of us only get 4 weeks a year - 6 if you are lucky.[/QUOTE]Hesekiels,

Blunderer is spot on. That's exactly why. And as for more than one girl, why not spread the wealth and help out another PH girl and a male friend of mine in the US who would also like the idea. I'm job hunting right now, and expect to soon take a job with THREE weeks vaca. Very normal vaca time or usa.

I had an interesting instant messaging chat with the former GM of my company in Cebu last night. She got some sort of short term Visa through the US company she works for in Manila and is going to the LA. Not a big company.

Interestingly, she told me that others from her office who are also college educated and in her words "look like models" were denied (she is only a 7 looks-wise).

She seemed to think it was her superior communication skils-- which she does have-- that got her past the US official. I got a laugh out of that. Also, don't know why "attractiveness" would HELP get a visa.

To me there's one thing that this very smart young woman overlooked: she's married with a PH husband also in a good job and 2 young kids. Her co-workers are SINGLE.

So, clearly they are worried about the risk if a SINGLE girl from phils going to usa.

Clearly, this is all not worth it I think!

I wonder if it's any different with tourist visa's for citizens of South American countries (a 25 year old live in girlfriend from Columbia is sounding very good right now). Or what about the Ukraine or Russia? My guess is that US will treat all girls coming from poor countries the same.

Oh, and I read a post on another site by a guy that had a girlfriend that was a student and from a non Western country and had FINISHED her US education time and still had time on her visa. Hmmmm, maybe I should hang out at a college with a lot of international students (some from Phils for example). Trouble is, most of those students are rich even though from poor country and don't need a helping hand from an American.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Blunderer]I'd say the primary advantage is that you don't have to take any holidays from work. Most of us only get 4 weeks a year - 6 if you are lucky.[/QUOTE]Yes, Blunderer, that's indeed a valid and convincing argument!

Cheers,

Hesekiels

I will be in philippines in a couple of month so i am looking for a hotel to stay in. I have read alot about Pension Houses and hotels but what is the difference?

Thanks for all you help guys

Good question and I'm not sure I have the right answer. I'd say the pensions are simpler, cheaper and more likely to NOT allow ladies of the night.

Some of the pensions in Cebu have a sign in the lobby that says no guests, but someone once asserted this is simply to avoid having a bunch of guys having a drinking party or card game late at night.

The pension in Malate, Manila that has a Starbucks next door is not girl friendly. This is unfortunate because it has a certain charm about it.

X Man

[QUOTE=Professional]I will be in philippines in a couple of month so i am looking for a hotel to stay in. I have read alot about Pension Houses and hotels but what is the difference?

Thanks for all you help guys[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man]Sounds like great information, but if you were in a foreign country other than Philippines, I imagine you'd have to deal with a language other than English. Any specific country recommendation? I guess the obvious place would be Thailand.[/QUOTE]Singapore!

Thank you!

[QUOTE=X Man]Good question and I'm not sure I have the right answer. I'd say the pensions are simpler, cheaper and more likely to NOT allow ladies of the night.

Some of the pensions in Cebu have a sign in the lobby that says no guests, but someone once asserted this is simply to avoid having a bunch of guys having a drinking party or card game late at night.

The pension in Malate, Manila that has a Starbucks next door is not girl friendly. This is unfortunate because it has a certain charm about it.

X Man[/QUOTE]

Regarding procedures for getting her to the U.S., etc.

[url]http://www.everlastinglove.com/visa.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=X Man]Good question and I'm not sure I have the right answer. I'd say the pensions are simpler, cheaper and more likely to NOT allow ladies of the night.

Some of the pensions in Cebu have a sign in the lobby that says no guests, but someone once asserted this is simply to avoid having a bunch of guys having a drinking party or card game late at night.

The pension in Malate, Manila that has a Starbucks next door is not girl friendly. This is unfortunate because it has a certain charm about it.

X Man[/QUOTE]Interesting because I have stayed at Malate Pension house 2 x in the last year I did not have any problems with bringing ladies in or (girl friendly). My last stay there was December 06.

[QUOTE=Professional]I will be in philippines in a couple of month so i am looking for a hotel to stay in. I have read alot about Pension Houses and hotels but what is the difference?

Thanks for all you help guys[/QUOTE]

If you try hard and REALLY want to save money you may be able to stay in an "upscale" boarding house. I know that the owner of the Sun Star owns one and a 30 year old highly educatate filapina friend of my stayed for a couple months.

Very tough to find discount on shourt term. 6 months is usually shortes.

One trick I learned is to check out some of the hotels near downtown (Colon). They will protect you like a prince and just don't walk around at night. I actually stayed at one near the famous streat near the basketball courts Z.... that was like $12 for a very clean, great room. Just take taxis...you'll save a lot from being uptown.

I have NEVER heard of ANY hotel or pension that would turn away a girl that is with you. MY MO is always to walk quickly past the reception while joking with the girl and she may as well be a friend..they don't know or care. I've stayed in at least 10 of the medium to inexpensive hotels in uptown. Brought girls back over 100 times.

Brothers,

Which country do you think offers the best combination of scuba diving and pussy? Thailand? Philippines? Indonesia? Elsewhere?

[QUOTE=Intransit]Brothers,

Which country do you think offers the best combination of scuba diving and pussy? Thailand? Philippines? Indonesia? Elsewhere?[/QUOTE]

All of the above, depending where you go in each country.

If you want GFE and diving then definitely Philippines !

Best place I have found for both types of diving is Sabang, Mindoro, Philippines. It should show up on a search here.

[QUOTE=Joe Banana]Best place I have found for both types of diving is Sabang, Mindoro, Philippines. It should show up on a search here.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I agree, it is pretty awesome. Diving probably betting in Sulawesi, but better bring your own GF. Thailand, diving ok but long boat rides (Phuket). Bali is also a good possibility, but the diving is a bit of an expedition. Especially if you want the best which is quite far from the main tourist areas.

I would also be interested if others had some opinion.

My friend wants to go to Thailand again. He has been 5 times already and I have never been. He is up for other trips. So here is the problem. I see sooo many cute pinay chicks at work I want to go try and talk him into going there plus I been dying to go to Vietnam which is another flight (how much from PI? ). He seems to think/talk like nothing compares to Pattaya and Na Na district and BKK again I have not been. Hell maybe I should go there. He talks of considering other places and would listen to other ideas. I will go anywhere but am steering towards PI. I really like the pics of the girls there and again here at work. I have looked and would Manila and then ANgeles CIty then maybe 3rd stop somewhere in PI compare like Cebu? Maybe throw in Vietnam even. I tell him of other adventures and he just keeps going back to how cheap it is in Thailand.

Can you all point me to a slam dunk trip? It would be nice to be around some beaches at least part of the trip. Part time p4p college girls would be what I am looking for. I like a tastey clam mmmmm.

What do you all think. I will keep reading. The OTHER AREAS reports look promising. Is there really p4p everywhere? Just have to look harder in some resort or sleepy areas?

I like the idea of speaking english too. Not looking forward to hotties eating crickets either. They do that in PI? LOL if you can help thanks.

Hello Friends. I have a friend who wants to bring his Filapina to the US. After almost 2 years of trying to arrange a Fiance Visa, which for some reason has gone nowhere, he is now trying to get her a tourist visa. His story is this; she says she knows someone who is somehow connected to the US Emabassy, or has connections there. This agent can get her a tourist visa for $1200. She must also have $2000 in her bank account.

My friend has already been sending her money every month for the past two years, and now this.

I have already warned him that she might be scamming him and this could be another scam, but he says "I want to marry her, and how can I get her a visa if I don't trust her"?

My friend doesn't have much money and this has already been financially difficult for him.

He said he will marry her as soon as she arrives in the US and then she can stay. I told him I think she will have to leave when her visa expires.

Is it possible she can get a tourist visa for $1200? She is just another typical Filapina without a higher education or special skills.

Also, if she arrives in the US with ony a tourist visa, can he then marry her and somehow keep her in the US legally?

Please keep your replies polite and remember that my friend will be reading your answers.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Santa]Hello Friends. I have a friend who wants to bring his Filapina to the US. After almost 2 years of trying to arrange a Fiance Visa, which for some reason has gone nowhere, he is now trying to get her a tourist visa. His story is this; she says she knows someone who is somehow connected to the US Emabassy, or has connections there. This agent can get her a tourist visa for $1200. She must also have $2000 in her bank account.

My friend has already been sending her money every month for the past two years, and now this.

I have already warned him that she might be scamming him and this could be another scam, but he says "I want to marry her, and how can I get her a visa if I don't trust her"?

My friend doesn't have much money and this has already been financially difficult for him.

He said he will marry her as soon as she arrives in the US and then she can stay. I told him I think she will have to leave when her visa expires.

Is it possible she can get a tourist visa for $1200? She is just another typical Filapina without a higher education or special skills.

Also, if she arrives in the US with ony a tourist visa, can he then marry her and somehow keep her in the US legally?

Please keep your replies polite and remember that my friend will be reading your answers.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

If the girl can get into the U.S. with a tourist Visa then she can stay if he marries her, this have done a lot including my my brother who brought his wife (She is from Taiwan) into the U.S. on a tourist Visa. The problem is that I think either she or somebody is scaming him. There is no way that you can buy a tourist visa for $1200. Philippine, Thailand and China are some of the most difficult countries to get tourist visa.

If she can not even get a finance visa then there is no way she can get a tourist visa.

Sorry for the bad news however if you friend is really serious about his girl, I think the best thing for him is to move to Philippines and stay with her for a year or so, make sure that he document everything (travel date, photos, phone records, expenses) and then apply for a finance visa again. This way, he will have a chance to really get to know her plus the chances of her getting a finance Visa will be increased.

Hey guys,

I may have missed this information but does anyone know how many cartons of cigarettes you can take out of the Phills and back to the good old USA?

[QUOTE=Santa]Hello Friends. I have a friend who wants to bring his Filapina to the US... [/QUOTE]If he wants to marry her as soon as she arrives in the states, then why doesn't he already marry her in the PI? Wouldnt this give the woman an very easy and fast acces to a Visa?

I would say the best thing for your friend is to go to Manila and go the U.S. embassy and find out why she was refused fiance visa. It is better to know the situation first hand before sending money. While it is possible in many countries to get a tourist visa with the right connections paying total of more than $3000 does not sound right. If she was refused a fiance visa it will be extremely difficult to get a tourist visa.
It is possible that this girl probably does not want to marry your friend especially he professes to her he is not sound financially. Many PHI people know the hardship people they face in U.S if their partner does not have money. Believe me love can fall in and out very quickly. Even if the girl wants to marry your friend she knows she has to stay with him for 2 years before she is eligible for permanent residency. In other words she has to basically put up with him .
Having said that not all PHI girls are ready to jump to U.S. They are well aware of U.S. PHI is a english speaking country, unlike other non english speaking country girls, they know more about U.S than us.

[QUOTE=Sammon]Having said that not all PHI girls are ready to jump to U.S. They are well aware of U.S. PHI is a english speaking country, unlike other non english speaking country girls, they know more about U.S than us.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for the insight into what many, some or most Philippinese seem to know. Sadly this knwoledge hasn't arrived everywhere yet. The social injustice works wonderful in the US. But the needed 2 years for the permanent residence doesn't sound so bad compared to my country (5 years and langauge and culture test). Does anybody know how other countrys fare in this comparison?

If anyone is interested, Manny Paquiao won every round if you ask me. It was not the action round for round of the first fight, but when they did clash Paquiao won 98% of the clashes.

Even in the 11th when Paquiao was beating Barrera soundly and while the ref was separating them from a clinch Barrera, like a true warrior who knew he was losing, took the opportunity to hit Paquiao during the break with a hard hook to the head that landed square on the chin. The hit maybe surprised Paquiao more than anything and Barrera had a point taken away for his late hit. If Barrera still had any power it should have floored Paquiao, or maybe any other fighter. That Paquiao can take a punch.

Barrera certainly did not come to fight. Berrera's corner man, who is his brother, kept telling him between every round from round 1 - 6 that he was winning. Not sure what he was watching. Then started telling him to push the action in the later rounds. Something you could tell Barrera did not want to do.

The PAC MAN moves on to fight the next challenger. Paquiao did show much better boxing skills this fight, which shows the respect they had for Berrera's abilities, even though those abilities are fading or faded. This will surely help Pacquiao in the future as in the past he really was the best banger in the ring for every fight he won.

I should have used my Sling Blade device to allow you guys in the Philippines to watch the fight live via the Internet. You could have rented out an Internet cafe there and charged 100 peso per Filipino and service provided per Filipina who wanted to see the fight. Heck we could probably still do it now as I taped it on my digital video recorder.

FF

[QUOTE=Frequent Flier]Heck we could probably still do it now as I taped it on my digital video recorder.

FF[/QUOTE]Boxing is THAT big in the PI?

[QUOTE=Santa]Is it possible she can get a tourist visa for $1200? She is just another typical Filapina without a higher education or special skills.Thanks.[/QUOTE]
In my opinion, based on knowing many of the US Embassy people, I would say that this is absolutely impossible. The controls imposed on the granting of visas and the multiple checks by multiple people before a visa is granted mean that it's simply not feasible to influence the decision about whether or not to grant a visa. If your friend did not or cannot show sufficient financial strength to warrant the granting of a fiancee visa, it's doubtful that the situation will be any different in the case of a tourist visa. Remember that the US Embassy has instant Internet access to all of the credit reporting agencies in the US and can and does easily check on the financial viability of any proposed sponsor.

This request for $1,200 and an additional $2,000 in the bank sounds suspiciously like a scam to me, and I would encourage your friend to be very careful before complying with the request. Coming over here to marry the lady and then requesting a spousal visa offers no additional benefits since the same financial requirements apply. I do not believe that this story is going to have a happy ending unless or until US requirements become less stringent. He might want to consider sending her to school for training in health care or another profession considered vital by US Immigration officials and then having her apply for a work visa once she's completed training. There are lots of 6 and 12 month health care training programs available in the Philippines that would provide the lady with a credential.

GE

[QUOTE=Sammon]find out why she was refused fiance visa. . If she was refused a fiance visa it will be extremely difficult to get a tourist visa.
.[/QUOTE]

She was not refused a fiancee visa because it never got that far.

My friend thinks it will be quicker and easier to get a tourist visa. The main question is this, how difficult is it for a young and single filapina to get a tourist visa into the USA?

When you are dealing with the embassy they will try to deny her a visa by telling your fiance that if she has tried drugs it will show up in her blood test. So if you have tried drugs write it down and be honest about it. This will disqualify her visa. Everything the medical doctor will ask her she must always say no. The doctor is trying to get her visa denied and is instructed to do this from the embassy. So even if she has passed the drug test she could still fail the Medical and this gives the embassy reason to deny which makes them happy. They are very crooked at this embassy. They lie all the time to get what they want. They will give misinformation etc. because they answer to no one.

And the answer is that it's almost impossible. Young filipinas, without substantial assets are typically not viewed as good risks by the Immigration officials and are considered likely to "disappear" when they get to the US. That's why sponsors with substantial assets are required and even then the granting of the visa is no sure thing.

[QUOTE=Santa]She was not refused a fiancee visa because it never got that far.

My friend thinks it will be quicker and easier to get a tourist visa. The main question is this, how difficult is it for a young and single filapina to get a tourist visa into the USA?[/QUOTE]

Much, much more difficult to get a tourist visa than a fiancee visa.

[QUOTE=Csun213]Much, much more difficult to get a tourist visa than a fiancee visa.[/QUOTE]


... and both is nonsense anyway! I am always wondering why should one bring a pinay to our home countries? The much, much better deal is to save this money in order to spend it later for a great time in Angeles City.

And before I am getting grilled here, gentlemen, that's of course just MHO!


Cheers - Hesekiels

Santa,
I have to agree with GE, he stated the chances of your friend getting a tourist visa for his girl more eloquently than I could. One point I have to clarify, there is no option of sponsorship for a tourist visa (this applies only to fiancee and spousal visas).

Tourist visa is almost impossible to get for a Filipina. I have tried it once myself and found it very frustrating. The criteria are simple. The girl has to have compelling reasons to return to the Philippines. This includes criteria like verifiable long term, high earning employment. Significant verifiable assets, especially real estate owned in the girls own name, high long term bank balances (can't just deposit $5000 in her account the week before the visa appointment).

GE also probably knows a lot more about the embassy employees and the process than I do. What I saw was that the interviewers are Americans (long term career State department employees). While a Filipino could easily be bribed for $1000, my view is it would take a lot more money to bribe one of these American staff. There are several steps and reviews in the process, too many chances that even if a bribe was passed, a red flag would cause the application to be rejected.

The purpose of a tourist visa is to allow someone to visit for a holiday, then return to their home country. Most Filipinas who apply for a tourist visa have no intention to return, and the embassy is keenly aware of this.

Is there a reason your friend initially was looking to do the fiancee visa and now wants to go a different route? If he really wants to bring the girl and to marry her, this is the fastest route.

Fiancee visa is not that difficult to obtain, if the relationship is real and is serious. The key criteria are reasonable and the timeframe, while a bit long is faster by far than the spousal visa.

1) Both parties must be eligible to marry (ie, either single or divorced/annulled).
2) The parties must have met in person within a reasonable time (I think it's within the past 2 years).
3) There must be a bonafide relationship and intent to marry. (Meaning, not just for a Green card).
4) The sponsor must have sufficient income to support his fiancee. Even with this, if the sponsor's income is below the requirement he can obtain a co-sponsor.

The timeframe for the fiancee visa approval does vary, but seems to be around 6 to 9 months from the first submission of application (provided all forms are in order). Note that from what I've read, it's more like 1 - 2 years for a spousal visa.

CS

[QUOTE=Cebu Steve]The purpose of a tourist visa is to allow someone to visit for a holiday, then return to their home country. Most Filipinas who apply for a tourist visa have no intention to return, and the embassy is keenly aware of this.[/QUOTE]So very true! Folks, be honest, actually we cannot be thankful enough that our embassies protect mongers like us in a way like that! :)

Why? Simply answer the following questions:

1. Is your age 40 plus?
2. Are you rather homely, or even ugly?
3. Is your Filipina 22 years young and damn pretty?

If your answer is three times 'yes' then you have a fair chance that you will be ripped off earlier or later! Either you will be dumped when she has the American passport after a couple of years (spouse visa), or she disappears after 10 weeks, leaving her seat on the plane back to Manila empty (tourist visa).

Since the only target of any pinay is to stay in the promised land such a
result was/is undoubtfully more the rule than the exception. Again, I highly appreciate that our embassies save us from such a trouble. Or is there anybody here who likes to be abused? :)

IMHO, of course!

Cheers - Hesekiels

I researched this too. My findings correspond with GE's and Cebu Steve's. But I'll add my $0.02 that they haven't mentioned:

What I have heard is not only that business and/or real estate owners have the best chance, but also that they need at least 700,000 pesos in the bank for a long time (about US$15,500). And they need to show a long term history as a business and/or real estate owner. The slightest hint of BG/GRO work will kill the application.

With the average wage less than 10,000 pesos per month, the bar is set far too high for ordinary pinays to even think about it. Or their potential benefactor to do something about it. Sure, someone will say they know a fixer for this. Sorry to burst your bubble, it ain't happening. As mentioned below, too many eyes are going to see the application before it can get approved.

So a pinay's best chance of getting into the US is via fiance or work visa. Cebu Steve speaks of the fiance visa. I'll mention what I found about the work visa: the most easily available work visa is for nurses. But the really hard part is for the pinay (or pinoy) to satisfy the prerequisites of obtaining a nursing school degree and passing the exam. Here, there are not that many pinays who have high enough educational level, are smart enough and have enough money to make it that far. Which again leaves out your typical BG or village girl.

Thanks for your excellent posts. If my friend does not learn from them, maybe other readers will.

I was reading up on all the info here about tourist visas to U.S.. Is it any easier for Filipinas working over-seas, say in Hong Kong or Canada to obtain one?

I have a gf in Canada working under the Live in caregiver program there, shes been there about a year now. Shes in her 30's has 2 kids at home in the Phils and is separated or technically married still. Her passport is still Phils though and she has very little money saved. I also have another "friend" that wants to visit me here in U.S. as well and she is 36 single no kids. My guess is they are considered same until they have Permanent residence status in Canada in a few years time.

Or maybe I should move to Canada

I've actually did a search on this and I don't think anyone has asked this before.

Am I allowed to bring Viagra or generic viagra with me to the Philippines, will I be stopped at the airport? Do I need a prescription with me?

[QUOTE=King Dong]Boxing is THAT big in the PI?[/QUOTE]
AFP silences guns for Pacquiao fight
By Marichu Villanueva
Sunday, October 7, 2007
Today, there is only one battle that matters.

The Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) is observing an “undeclared” nationwide ceasefire with all rebel groups to lead the Filipino nation in cheering for Manny Pacquiao in his World Boxing Council (WBC) International superfeatherweight title defense against Mexican boxer Marco Antonio Barrera in Las Vegas, Nevada.

AFP chief of staff Gen. Hermogenes Esperon Jr. has, in fact, opened to the public the AFP Theater in Camp Aguinaldo in Quezon City to accommodate the pay-per-view airing of the fight, the proceeds of which will go to a fund-raising campaign for the benefit of enlisted AFP personnel.

Esperon told The STAR yesterday that all AFP camps would observe the “unwritten SOMO” or suspension of military operations even for a brief period to enable troopers in camps all over the country to watch and root for Pacquiao, an Army reservist with the rank of duty sergeant.

“There is unwritten SOMO, undeclared SOMO to give way to the Pacquiao fight and to cheer for Pacquiao,” Esperon said.

But just the same, troops in the frontlines are under orders not to let their guard down.

Unlike before, most troops deployed in advance command posts, like the battalions, companies and platoons, including those in the far-flung mountains of Basilan and Sulu, already have their own television sets.

The AFP traditionally declares SOMO with communist insurgents during the observance of religious holidays to enable soldiers to spend these occasions with their families.

The AFP has an existing ceasefire agreement in Mindanao with the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) while the government is conducting peace negotiations with it.

Esperon pointed out that even rebels would surely watch the fight and cheer for Pacquiao in this boxing match that would be aired live via satellite on cable TV. GMA Channel 7 will also carry the fight live.

The AFP put up a wide screen for the Dream Cable TV at the air-conditioned AFP Theater, and those who wish to watch the bout without any commercial interruptions will have to pay P300.

Esperon said other military camps have their own cable TV systems where soldiers can watch the match with their families in the comforts of their homes.

[QUOTE=Styles12]I've actually did a search on this and I don't think anyone has asked this before.

Am I allowed to bring Viagra or generic viagra with me to the Philippines, will I be stopped at the airport? Do I need a prescription with me?[/QUOTE]

Why bring it with you. You can find it it any Mercury Drug store, just ask at the counter and tell them which dosage (25, 50 or 100mg) you want and how many tablets.

[QUOTE=Member #2718]Why bring it with you. You can find it it any Mercury Drug store, just ask at the counter and tell them which dosage (25, 50 or 100mg) you want and how many tablets.[/QUOTE]

Pfizer doesn't make 50 or 100 mg dosages.

You can buy fake C that works just the same (I've used both) for really cheap in AC. One 20 mg pill in Mercury will set you back 1000 pesos, You can get 30 pills @ 50 mg. for 500 pesos in AC off the street.

[QUOTE=Cebu Steve]Note that from what I've read, it's more like 1 - 2 years for a spousal visa.

CS[/QUOTE]

I don't think so, it is probably only a few months longer than Fiancee Visa. It also starts the clock faster for being eligible to work in US and receiving her Provisional Visa. I've done it before by marrying over seas and it took about less than a year.

I would appreciate a little more explanation on this topic. I've bought C at bars in AC and it worked fine. How do you know if it's "fake" or not? What do you mean by "fake"? Do you mean it's a generic version?

Is the stuff in the bars the same stuff as on the streets of AC?

I think I paid 3 or 400 for a box of 4 pills. Well, I thought it was money well spent since it every time I brushed up against the lucky lady, I sprang to attention.

X

[QUOTE=FireWalker]Pfizer doesn't make 50 or 100 mg dosages.

You can buy fake C that works just the same (I've used both) for really cheap in AC. One 20 mg pill in Mercury will set you back 1000 pesos, You can get 30 pills @ 50 mg. for 500 pesos in AC off the street.[/QUOTE]

Listen up mongers. I always bring some blue steel or Cialis from the states when I cum to the PI. When you see the doc stateside for some other problem, just tell them you are going to visit PI and need some help for your junior. If you are fun about it the Doc will usually hook you up (give) you plenty. Be a cheap charlie and get free (and guaranteed genuine) pookie help from the PharmaCorps.

Luvulooongtime

[QUOTE=FireWalker]Pfizer doesn't make 50 or 100 mg dosages.
[/QUOTE]

That would be news to Pfizer, check their website at [url]www.pfizer.com[/url] and look up their product list for viagra.

Cialis on the other hand is in dosages of 5, 10 and 20 mg

[QUOTE=Luvulooongtime]Listen up mongers. I always bring some blue steel or Cialis from the states when I cum to the PI. [/QUOTE]


I do the same, but the more interesting question is: does the much cheaper stuff from the vendors in AC work as well? Some mates say 'yes', others say 'no'! Folks, is there a chemist around who can make a proper analysis in order to enlighten us? :)


Cheers - Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Hesekiels]I do the same, but the more interesting question is: does the much cheaper stuff from the vendors in AC work as well? Some mates say 'yes', others say 'no'! Folks, is there a chemist around who can make a proper analysis in order to enlighten us? :)


Cheers - Hesekiels[/QUOTE]

There is two kinds of cheap V + C on the street in the phils.

First type is generic version of the drug. This works exactly the same as the stuff you pay dearly for in your home country. Yes it works.
Second type is totally fake & contains nothing at all resembling an any active ingredient to treat erectile dysfunction.

How do you tell the difference?
Pot luck Im afraid...

I have never had the need to try any of this stuff before but my current crop of GF's are sorely testing my stamina so I may have to join the blue steel club soon he he. :-)
I'll post a road test on my next trip november 12 if I do.

Happy mongering
Amavida

I was in EDSA last Monday and I was offered V and C in the bathroom of one of the clubs. He offered both for a 1000P each and I only wanted V and I got him down for 200P. I don't know if it was fake...but it worked great :cool: for my unexpected threesum. FR to follow soon :D

[QUOTE=Robbaf]He offered both for a 1000P each and I only wanted V and I got him down for 200P. I don't know if it was fake...but it worked great[/QUOTE]

Robbaf:

200 pesos and it worked well, brother, that was indeed a great deal! Congrats!

Cheers - Hesekiels

Can't speak knowledgeably about AC, but the vendors on Burgos will, after about 2 minutes of bargaining, let you have either viagra or cialis for PhP200 per four pill box. One of the guys selling to stuff told me that it's all counterfeit from India, but that it's made according to the same formulas and specifications as the real thing. I'm not a laboratory chemist and I have no idea if this was bs or correct, but it does seem to work the same as the stuff sold in the pharmacies.
GE

Some of the bars sell the stuff and it worked fine. I assumed the bar folk went to the pharmacy and got the real stuff, but now I'm thinking they are selling the same stuff that GE found on the streets.

One bar started at 500, and I got it down to 300. After reading GE's post I realize I have to bargain a little harder.

X

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Can't speak knowledgeably about AC, but the vendors on Burgos will, after about 2 minutes of bargaining, let you have either viagra or cialis for PhP200 per four pill box. One of the guys selling to stuff told me that it's all counterfeit from India, but that it's made according to the same formulas and specifications as the real thing. I'm not a laboratory chemist and I have no idea if this was bs or correct, but it does seem to work the same as the stuff sold in the pharmacies.
GE[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough], I'm not a laboratory chemist and I have no idea if this was bs or correct, but it does seem to work the same as the stuff sold in the pharmacies.
GE[/QUOTE]I had bought some counterfeit C here in Canada, been told that it came from asia, was sold by pack of 100 in a plastic bag (baggies) I do not remember the price but it was probably around 150-200$ a lot cheaper that what you can buy at the pharmacy (50$ for a pack of 4) but it is not the same thing, it worked well as it give you a good erection, except the side effect where a bit more severe and I was feeling a bit stoned, took a few then throw the rest of it to garbage.

[QUOTE=Member #2718]Why bring it with you. You can find it it any Mercury Drug store, just ask at the counter and tell them which dosage (25, 50 or 100mg) you want and how many tablets.[/QUOTE]Does Mercury Drug store have the reall v with the pfizer stamped logo? What is the cost of a doctor visit and a valid prescription for the med?

OK, this subject is a little off the beaten path, but I hope you guys can steer me in the right direction. :)

I have a long-hair fetish. Obviously, southeast Asia will be heaven, as most girls appear to average their long-hair length to at least mid-back.
But the ones I seek are ones with very long hair.

So, the questions: Any spottings of ladies fitting that description that come to immediate mind? And is there a place in southeast Asia I should be sure and visit that's not on my list for November (Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, Singaore)?

Believe me, I've scoured the forums and the search engine -- the boolean search method or the brackets around "very long hair" don't seem to work for me.

Many thanks for any and all advice you guys can offer -- and the beers are on me!!

pet peeves time:


first: do some of you guys really believe that lifting some little filipina girl over your head is some sort of proof of your strength and manliness? believe me it isn't. any of us can do that. and if you think that the girl is impressed, think again. her thoughts are not "impressed", they're "annoyed" and "embarassed". although she probably won't voice those thoughts as some great beast heaves her skyward.

second: keep your shirts on guys. we don't come to the bars to see half naked men! i walked out of two bars on mango in cebu, last night, because of this. i have no problem with boisterousness and fun, we're all here to party. but the moment you make yourself the centre of attention, your ruining it for the rest of your comrades. and if you think that the girls are impressed, you have a great deal to learn about the sense of decorum and propriety of filipinas.

that's my rant for the day!

you are spot on mr. g, but unfortunately you can't change the world. those you describe may have been too drunk. or, they may not care what other's think. some of them can't even read, so your post is going unnoticed...

my observations are that a good many of the westerners that make it to se asia are less than model citizens. i suppose i'm not either....although i like to think i've matured a lot since i was unleased at olongapo's adult disneyland way back in the early 80s.

x

[quote=genghois]pet peeves time:

first: do some of you guys really believe that lifting some little filipina girl over your head is some sort of proof of your strength and manliness? believe me it isn't. any of us can do that. and if you think that the girl is impressed, think again. her thoughts are not "impressed", they're "annoyed" and "embarassed". although she probably won't voice those thoughts as some great beast heaves her skyward.

second: keep your shirts on guys. we don't come to the bars to see half naked men! i walked out of two bars on mango in cebu, last night, because of this. i have no problem with boisterousness and fun, we're all here to party. but the moment you make yourself the centre of attention, your ruining it for the rest of your comrades. and if you think that the girls are impressed, you have a great deal to learn about the sense of decorum and propriety of filipinas.

that's my rant for the day![/quote]

[QUOTE=X Man]since I was unleased at Olongapo's adult disneyland way back in the early 80s
[/QUOTE]

Unleased: [i]Bargirl-ese for divorced[/i]



I know it was a typo, but a damned funny one given the context.

[QUOTE=Montrose]Does Mercury Drug store have the reall v with the pfizer stamped logo? What is the cost of a doctor visit and a valid prescription for the med?[/QUOTE]Yes Mercury drug store located inside the Robinsons mall does sell the real Viagra and also Cialis. The Viagra is imported usually from the U.K and the Cialis is usually imported from Australia.

A doc visit and prescription will usually run you less that P500 (and usually includes a full physical exam)

Be careful out there

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071019/ap_on_re_as/philippines_explosion[/url]

ES

I got the v from 2 different places one from mercury drugs near the g point i think. No doctor needed 500 pesos 25mg one pill. Then got the v from La cafe was in those gel types first time i saw that it worked. How everyones experience with the stuff sold on the street. Also la cafe was a better deal 3 pills for 500 pesos

I will retire young to the phils in the next 8 years.

An option to do that even earlier is to take a job , full or part time, at a good Uni as a prof. A woman that is going to be a prof said she's sure I could work at her Uni and there are other ex-pats there (she was 2nd in line to my GM when I ran a small IT company in phils) and it sounded like it's not too tough if you're from the west. All you need is a Masters, not Phd.

Some of you must know guys that do this. This would seem to be the ULTIMATE honey pot for attracting young beauties. Can't fuck the students, but their friends... (-:

In cebu i know for a fact that a lot of girls from the good universities go to the most scanky freelance/pimp run places from time to time to get extra for pay for college.

And the "culture" of ex-pat professors seems like it might be an enjoyable one.

Pay in Cebu was about P40,000K a month but the work sounds less then 40 hours a week. Harder work= a lot more pay....may also open biz opps.

Escape from the USA!

[QUOTE=Eaglestar]Be careful out there

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071019/ap_on_re_as/philippines_explosion[/url]

ES[/QUOTE]

I was in the Glorietta mall when the bomb went off. Fortunately the 2 honeys escorting me had just guided me down a hallway away from the location of the explosion. One of them told me later that she was planning on taking me up to Fridays, and that it was right where the blast was. I guess there was somebody besides those 2 little honeys looking out for me! Funny thing was it didn't seem like what I would expect a bomb to sound like. Sounded like something very heavy had been dropped. I turned to go check it out when my honeys grabbed me and yelled "Run! It's a bomb!" I read online that the death count was up to 11 as of Monday afternoon.

I'm just glad I wasn't part of the statistics of the blast. It would have been hard to explain back at home, why I was in the Philippines in the first place.

Keep mongering, but beware!

H.W.

[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder]One of them told me later that she was planning on taking me up to Fridays, and that it was right where the blast was.[/QUOTE]Sorry Hairy you are backwards. The bomb was on the other side (back) of the mall.

Stay Safe,
Robb

Gentlemen,

I was in Glorieta in 2003, 2004(cannot remember the year. LOL.) Mall with Filipinaheart young lady named M. Abu-whatever-sayeff bombed a bus on Valentines day next to the Mall. I was in the movie house with my young honey. When we came out (we did not hear the bomb, loud movie; )) we saw all the securtiy and I was concerned. Being from Mindinao, home of the muslim seperatists/freedom fighters/terrorists, M just shrugged her shoulders as if it was nothing! Just another day! I guess where she is from violence is not uncommon. So I took a hint from M and said whatever and kept partying.

P.S. M was a doll, screwed my brains out half a dozen times, no charge, no marriage plans. She had to stop seeing her because her sister threatened to cut off her college tuition if she continued to see me; )

P.S. P.S. Sometimes you can get a internet honey that just wants to fuck, so you get GFE and for free (well almost free, took M to movie and dinner, she would not even take taxi money! My cousins theorize she must be from wealthy family; )! I am flying to PI in December and will report my luck.

Luvuloongtime

Honey, I'm sorry for not telling you earlier, but I'm part of the CIA's covert terrorism counter intelligence unit. I was there investigating the possiblilty of a bomb attack. If it was not for my work, hundreds more would have died. President Arroyo has invited me back to the Philippines next month to give me an award. I hope you understand.

Agent 69

[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder]

I'm just glad I wasn't part of the statistics of the blast. It would have been hard to explain back at home, why I was in the Philippines in the first place.

Keep mongering, but beware!

H.W.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man]Honey, I'm sorry for not telling you earlier, but I'm part of the CIA's covert terrorism counter intelligence unit. I was there investigating the possiblilty of a bomb attack. If it was not for my work, hundreds more would have died. President Arroyo has invited me back to the Philippines next month to give me an award. I hope you understand.

Agent 69[/QUOTE]To Agent 69

Don't make me laugh no one will believe that stories , the philippines government and Arroyo will never give the CIA or the US any credit they will take all the credit and only thing they know is to pocket USD and take bribe .

Fast eddie 48

Good luck, but I don't think this is as easy as you've described. Professors in the PI make very little money compared to the U.S. and I think its pretty hard to get a job as a foreigner in the first place unless you're really in demand (but if you were, you'd probably be somewhere else that can afford to pay much more).

[QUOTE=Wander Luster]I will retire young to the phils in the next 8 years.

An option to do that even earlier is to take a job , full or part time, at a good Uni as a prof. A woman that is going to be a prof said she's sure I could work at her Uni and there are other ex-pats there (she was 2nd in line to my GM when I ran a small IT company in phils) and it sounded like it's not too tough if you're from the west. All you need is a Masters, not Phd.

Some of you must know guys that do this. This would seem to be the ULTIMATE honey pot for attracting young beauties. Can't fuck the students, but their friends... (-:

In cebu i know for a fact that a lot of girls from the good universities go to the most scanky freelance/pimp run places from time to time to get extra for pay for college.

And the "culture" of ex-pat professors seems like it might be an enjoyable one.

Pay in Cebu was about P40,000K a month but the work sounds less then 40 hours a week. Harder work= a lot more pay....may also open biz opps.

Escape from the USA![/QUOTE]

Is it just me or is something non sequitur about Fast Eddie's post?

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]To Agent 69

Don't make me laugh no one will believe that stories , the philippines government and Arroyo will never give the CIA or the US any credit they will take all the credit and only thing they know is to pocket USD and take bribe .

Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man]Is it just me or is something non sequitur about Fast Eddie's post?[/QUOTE]

No not just you, unless there is a double entendre I missed.

BTW I was in Glorietta Mall with a young lady at 13:30 last Friday and I have got to admit the question posed by Hairy Wonder passed through my mind as my wife thought I was in Hong Kong at the time.

[QUOTE=Robbaf]Sorry Hairy you are backwards. The bomb was on the other side (back) of the mall.

Stay Safe,
Robb[/QUOTE]

She could have told me anything, and I would have beleived it. That was my first time in the mall, let alone Makati. I was more concerned about the welfare of her cute cousin that she had just introduced me to in the center circle of the mall. Wouldn't want such a cute future possibility to be hurt! She was working a little donut stand there. Reports I have since received through chat says that the cousin got out without a scratch. Of course, I expressed my releif and concern for her health. ;) The cousin and a sister are lined up for me when I return again, so I am told.

The explosion worked to my benefit actually. The 2 girls I was with were from one of the clubs on P Burgos Street. I had talked with them over a beer early the evening before. After bar hopping a bit, I saw them on the street as they were going "home." They asked if they could meet me at 1 pm on Friday. Not being one to refuse a possible 3some freebie, I said yes. After the explosion, the girls told me that they had planned to just walk around in the mall with me. Instead, we went to the Star Central mall (another first for me), ate lunch, and then the more agressive girl suggested going back to my hotel room. After arriving in the room, both girls quickly stripped, quickly showered and hopped into bed with me. One of the girls was acting very shy, and would only give me a quick BBBJ and a reluctant DATY. The other one was open to almost anything, except anal. After the first round, the shy girl left, saying she had a baby at home to take care of. I'm hoping to see her again and get more action the next time. The other one jumped me several times that day and night. Even when we woke up the next morning, making me miss my scheduled flight. Total expenses with these 2 girls was less than P5k (not including the $50 penalty for rescheduling my flight).

Sorry I don't have any pics to go along with all of this. Next time I will have to buy a camera and familiarize myself with it before going.

H.W.

[QUOTE=Kalboman]Professors in the PI make very little money compared to the U.S.[/QUOTE]
That's true as I was thinking about doing the same and did some research.
Better you work as Professor in Hongkong or Singapore, get some real money for the job and travel from there as often as you want into the Phils.
Same what I'm doing now and I have buried the plans to work in Phils.

Cheers!

Will very likely visit PI at the end of the year (part of my trip to Asia which will include China). While in PI, I would like to get some major dental work done.

I have RTFF and there is very little info on the subject, not to mentioned out of date. Has anyone recently (within the past 12 months) had any dental work done in PI? If so, can you recommend any dentist either in Manila or AC?

Thanks in advance.

Tonedog

[QUOTE=Tonedog]Will very likely visit PI at the end of the year (part of my trip to Asia which will include China). While in PI, I would like to get some major dental work done.

I have RTFF and there is very little info on the subject, not to mentioned out of date. Has anyone recently (within the past 12 months) had any dental work done in PI? If so, can you recommend any dentist either in Manila or AC?

Thanks in advance.

Tonedog[/QUOTE]


Try this site [url]http://www.smilemakeoverdental.net/[/url]

I have read some good things about them on another write up about AC. The reviews are real as the same people posted the same info on another site that they wrote web site for the Dentist..

I hope this didn't violate Jackson's rules.

FF

Yes, this place has provided good service to X Man, but they were impeded by the crappy service that is offerred elsewhere in PI. I needed a crown, got good service, and later bad service, but only because... YOU SHOULD EXPECT THINGS TO BE LATE IN THE PHILIPPINES!!!

Kind of nice the dentist gave me and her hot assistant a ride back late into the night, since it took several hours for my crown to get a good fit. Dentist was nothing I would kick out of be for eating crackers either.

X

[QUOTE=Frequent Flier]Try this site [url]http://www.smilemakeoverdental.net/[/url]

I have read some good things about them on another write up about AC. The reviews are real as the same people posted the same info on another site that they wrote web site for the Dentist..

I hope this didn't violate Jackson's rules.

FF[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tonedog]Will very likely visit PI at the end of the year (part of my trip to Asia which will include China). While in PI, I would like to get some major dental work done.

I have RTFF and there is very little info on the subject, not to mentioned out of date. Has anyone recently (within the past 12 months) had any dental work done in PI? If so, can you recommend any dentist either in Manila or AC?

Thanks in advance.

Tonedog[/QUOTE]Honestly I'd get any dental work done in Bangkok instead. Philippine training in any health field is not tops. On the other hand denstistry in Bangkok is top notch with all the modern equipment you would expect in Europe or the US.

[QUOTE=Tbm Fan]Honestly I'd get any dental work done in Bangkok instead. Philippine training in any health field is not tops. On the other hand denstistry in Bangkok is top notch with all the modern equipment you would expect in Europe or the US.[/QUOTE]
Actually, that's not quite true. One of the conundrums, for me at least, of living here is why the medical care is third-rate but the dental care is excellent. My dentist, for example, received a large part of his training in the US, and his office is as modern as anything you would find in my hometown. He work too, is excellent and the price is about 20% of what you would pay in the US. Of course this is in Davao, and I have no names of good dentists in Manila or AC.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Actually, that's not quite true. One of the conundrums, for me at least, of living here is why the medical care is third-rate but the dental care is excellent. My dentist, for example, received a large part of his training in the US, and his office is as modern as anything you would find in my hometown. He work too, is excellent and the price is about 20% of what you would pay in the US. Of course this is in Davao, and I have no names of good dentists in Manila or AC.

GE[/QUOTE]

I used a Dr. Reyes who had a clinic in Makati several years ago when I lived in Manila. Excellent service by a US trained dentist. No idea if he is still there.

ES

[QUOTE=Tonedog]Will very likely visit PI at the end of the year (part of my trip to Asia which will include China). While in PI, I would like to get some major dental work done.

I have RTFF and there is very little info on the subject, not to mentioned out of date. Has anyone recently (within the past 12 months) had any dental work done in PI? If so, can you recommend any dentist either in Manila or AC?

Thanks in advance.

Tonedog[/QUOTE]I can recommend an excellent dentist in AC.

Dr. Cynthia Cabrerra,
Balibago Branch,
2nd. Floor Security Bank,
Mc Arthur Highway. (adjacent to Savers Mall)

She is the dentist's dentist.

PM me for phone no. Or other questions. Warren

Hey. Thanks to all of you who provided feedback to my request of a recommended dentist in AC or Manila.

I will definitely check out all the suggestions given. As for going to Thailand rather than PI. This is my take.

Yes, I agree that both the service and quality of work is 1st rate in Thailand (I had sought medical attention in LOS in the past) at a fraction of the cost to either the US or Canada. But after doing my homework and researching about medical and dental work in PI, I found that many people (including some of you fellow 'hunters') who have had work done in PI were very satisfied with the service and the quality. And here's the kicker, prices are about another 10-20% cheaper than Thailand. And you know what that means, even more $$$ for 'hunting' (he he he).

I was originally thinking about going to Thailand to get dental work, but I really want to visit PI (the reason is obvious. He he), AND I can save even more $$$ and still get high quality of work.

So. Unless someone can make a fair comparison btw dental work done in Thailand vs. PI, and put Thailand far better than PI in quality and cost, I will most likely see myself heading to PI at the end of the year for some 'fun'.

Looking forward to any additional feedback.

Thanks again.

Tonedog

Can anyone recommend this Dentist in Davao she has a good website. Debra Occeña-Sablada, Occena Dental Office, 31 Tionko Avenue, Davao. Her website looks encouraging. [url]http://web.mac.com/occena.dental/iWeb/Site/Welcome.html[/url]


GoodEnough, I did send you a pm last year but never got a reply I will be in Davao in a few months time and want to get some work done. I'd be interested in any dentists you could recommend if you are inclined.

If you don't already know it, Dragonslayer's thread has info about Davao and GE often posts there. I write this, because if you look at the main board it appears that no one is posting there.

Have you already emailed the Davao dentist? Did you get a quote for a crown? I think I paid 3500 or 4000 when I was in AC.

BTW, I'll probably be in Davao around the New Year.

X

[QUOTE=Bilbo Baggins]Can anyone recommend this Dentist in Davao she has a good website. Debra Occeña-Sablada, Occena Dental Office, 31 Tionko Avenue, Davao. Her website looks encouraging. [url]http://web.mac.com/occena.dental/iWeb/Site/Welcome.html[/url]


GoodEnough, I did send you a pm last year but never got a reply I will be in Davao in a few months time and want to get some work done. I'd be interested in any dentists you could recommend if you are inclined.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wander Luster]I will retire young to the phils in the next 8 years.

An option to do that even earlier is to take a job , full or part time, at a good Uni as a prof. A woman that is going to be a prof said she's sure I could work at her Uni and there are other ex-pats there (she was 2nd in line to my GM when I ran a small IT company in phils) and it sounded like it's not too tough if you're from the west. All you need is a Masters, not Phd.

Some of you must know guys that do this. This would seem to be the ULTIMATE honey pot for attracting young beauties. Can't fuck the students, but their friends.[/QUOTE]I would say this is a good option for retirement in the PI, but I would be wary of fucking your students. I would concentrate on the normal hobbyist action there. A friend of mine was a teacher there from the US and didn't mix biz with pleasure.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=Montrose]Does Mercury Drug store have the reall v with the pfizer stamped logo? What is the cost of a doctor visit and a valid prescription for the med?[/QUOTE]

In cebu, there are 2 drug stores in ayala. The one that has more than just a pharma counter (forget if that is mercury or the other) will sell you V with no prescription and is the real thing. Have done it many times. I'm fairly young, don't know if that makes a difference.

[QUOTE=X Man]If you don't already know it, Dragonslayer's thread has info about Davao and GE often posts there. I write this, because if you look at the main board it appears that no one is posting there.

Have you already emailed the Davao dentist? Did you get a quote for a crown? I think I paid 3500 or 4000 when I was in AC.

BTW, I'll probably be in Davao around the New Year.

X[/QUOTE]
Thanks X Man, I follow everything I can on Davao so I am aware and I find the information coming from those two exceptional characters very helpful as well as your own contribution. I can't contribute much because I'm not there yet. I was just going with the flow of this thread taking the opportunity as it presented itself. That Website states they don't give quotes until they have seen the damage.

I had planned on being in Davao earlier this year but got caught up in an acrimonious divorce settlement and couldn't leave the country for fear of being evicted while I was away. Once the dust settles I plan on being there sometime from February to April next year unless everything is signed before then.

Yes, good advice. Even if the original quoter sticks to "friends" of students, the "friends" will talk with each other, and then tell their friends...and the friends of friends... and eventually the whole school knows. I have a friend who teaches uni. After a party, two students announced that they had missed the last train. He put them up in an extra room. Two days later he was called into the dean's office.

X

[QUOTE=Hypo Luxa]I would say this is a good option for retirement in the PI, but I would be wary of fucking your students. I would concentrate on the normal hobbyist action there. A friend of mine was a teacher there from the US and didn't mix biz with pleasure.

Good luck![/QUOTE]

Hi all,

Long time lurker here, first off- thanks to everyone here for all the great info. It's helped me more times than I can count.

I'll be in Manila the weekend of November 16th (staying on Burgos that weekend.) I've also been in contact with a CB girl who wants to meet up- smoking hot, as she's sent me many pictures, 23 yrs old, etc.

I've RTFF on CB encounters, but wanted to get some opinions on one thing- What are the honest odds of fucking this girl? I'm decent looking, no problems there, but really when you talk to a CB girl over email, they're all looking for love, blah blah.

Honestly- in your experience, do they all fuck? If so, how quickly? How have you suggested / approached the subject? Idea for first meeting?

BTW- I plan on bringing back plenty of photos for posting and sharing, as it's my turn to return the favor.

Industrial

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Actually, that's not quite true. One of the conundrums, for me at least, of living here is why the medical care is third-rate but the dental care is excellent. My dentist, for example, received a large part of his training in the US, and his office is as modern as anything you would find in my hometown. He work too, is excellent and the price is about 20% of what you would pay in the US. Of course this is in Davao, and I have no names of good dentists in Manila or AC.

GE[/QUOTE]Well, if we are talking US trained then that is a whole different thing. If we are talking Philippine schools then you will need to look high and low. I am in the health field and have seen enough to make me pause. Most of my friends live there and have had hit and miss issues. Quality of fillings and especially bridge work and crowns can fall short. Of course, a lot of that is money driven seeing as how the locals more often than not get inferior work as compared to ex-pats who can be charged more. Still wouldn't hold my breath on that as what are you going to do when 2 years later your jaw is sore because the bridge fit was poor and it finally caught up to you.

[QUOTE=X Man]Yes, good advice. Even if the original quoter sticks to "friends" of students, the "friends" will talk with each other, and then tell their friends...and the friends of friends... and eventually the whole school knows. I have a friend who teaches uni. After a party, two students announced that they had missed the last train. He put them up in an extra room. Two days later he was called into the dean's office.

X[/QUOTE]

And you can be sure, the story gets exaggerated at every step of the gossip chain. Never be alone with a female either - stories can also be imagined...Act like a doctor! Remember:do not mix shit with your meal!

[QUOTE=Industrial]Hi all,

Long time lurker here, first off- thanks to everyone here for all the great info. It's helped me more times than I can count.

I'll be in Manila the weekend of November 16th (staying on Burgos that weekend.) I've also been in contact with a CB girl who wants to meet up- smoking hot, as she's sent me many pictures, 23 yrs old, etc.

I've RTFF on CB encounters, but wanted to get some opinions on one thing- What are the honest odds of fucking this girl? I'm decent looking, no problems there, but really when you talk to a CB girl over email, they're all looking for love, blah blah.

Honestly- in your experience, do they all fuck? If so, how quickly? How have you suggested / approached the subject? Idea for first meeting?

BTW- I plan on bringing back plenty of photos for posting and sharing, as it's my turn to return the favor.

Industrial[/QUOTE]
Industrial

All depends on the girl and how sweet you are. ay the right tings, see if she brings chaperon as they can be tasty or tastier :).

Read the FRs from some of us and you will see it is hit or miss....mostly hit :)

But if it is a miss plenty in Burgos to choose form and if non there try the malls, ESDA, go to AC...so much pussy around you will be in lust every 5 seconds (well OK that's me :))

PM or share her details on the Forum as we may have already trodden that road before you or know her as a scam.

Using Vista on a new computer and having problems...

Just saw Amavida gave a pretty good post to Industrial Waste (IW). I (of course) would not have been so generous.

IW claims to have done the rtff, but somehow this long term lurker has completely missed the "chat room" threads. Or worse, just decided the opinions were unbelievable. IW also seems to have benefitted from ISG... Does that mean IW has already been to the Philippines...yet has only two posts? Tell me it isn't true!

IW wants to know about fking the girl. Well, that may be the goal, but what he needs to pay attention to is how you get there. Read amavida's post.

Maybe I've been here too long...starting to wonder what is the purpose. Starting to understand why SH, CL went from prolific posters and then one day, completely disappeared.

Holding my X breath, waiting for Industrial to send in his notes...as he's promised.


[QUOTE=Industrial]Hi all,

Long time lurker here, first off- thanks to everyone here for all the great info. It's helped me more times than I can count.

I'll be in Manila the weekend of November 16th (staying on Burgos that weekend.) I've also been in contact with a CB girl who wants to meet up- smoking hot, as she's sent me many pictures, 23 yrs old, etc.

I've RTFF on CB encounters, but wanted to get some opinions on one thing- What are the honest odds of fucking this girl? I'm decent looking, no problems there, but really when you talk to a CB girl over email, they're all looking for love, blah blah.

Honestly- in your experience, do they all fuck? If so, how quickly? How have you suggested / approached the subject? Idea for first meeting?

BTW- I plan on bringing back plenty of photos for posting and sharing, as it's my turn to return the favor.

Industrial[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Industrial]Hi all,

Long time lurker here, first off- thanks to everyone here for all the great info. It's helped me more times than I can count.

I'll be in Manila the weekend of November 16th (staying on Burgos that weekend.) I've also been in contact with a CB girl who wants to meet up- smoking hot, as she's sent me many pictures, 23 yrs old, etc.

I've RTFF on CB encounters, but wanted to get some opinions on one thing- What are the honest odds of fucking this girl? I'm decent looking, no problems there, but really when you talk to a CB girl over email, they're all looking for love, blah blah.

Honestly- in your experience, do they all fuck? If so, how quickly? How have you suggested / approached the subject? Idea for first meeting?

BTW- I plan on bringing back plenty of photos for posting and sharing, as it's my turn to return the favor.

Industrial[/QUOTE]

Hi Ind,
I'll be there that week also but flying home on the week-end.
Now Bearing in mind this is based on my own personal experiences...
For example I value highy the GFE so I choose to meet girls that I genuinely like & feel some romance with. (If I just want PSE I go to a bar & have at it)

Ok in answer to your questions :

1) What are the odds of fucking (this) girl?
Unknown. You really never know until you meet them.
Some come on strong sexually on line but are often either just fantasizing or checking out your reactions eg if you come back with really lewd responses they just confirmed to themselves that you are just after sex.
Careful choice of girl by getting to know them is important.
Romance is a powerful aphrodisiac my friend.

2) do they all fuck?
Of course not. Ratio varies from trip to trip.

3) how quickly?
Depends entirely on the girl, if they genuinely like you & you don't scare them off they will engage in gfe type sex with you. usually by the second or third date. Few fuck on the first date.

4) How have you suggested / approached the subject? Idea for first meeting?
No! Never! Remember you're a decent chap there to meet them because you like them & want them to be your GF. If they get the slightest whiff that you want to treat them like a prostitute its all over.

My advise is to carefully pick the ones you want to meet, cultivate some friendship & romance. Then when you meet just enjoy the socialising, let them come to you, dont scare them off by being to forward. They will tell you with body language if they are secretly hot for you. Wait until you are both comfortable with each other in a private place before making a move (or they will).

if you don't get a root, don't worry you enjoyed the socialising anyway right? You can always go pick up a Bar girl or freelancer later & take out your carnal frustrations on them...

Happy mongering
Amavida

Indy: From my personal experience you will get laid on first date, 25% of the time. Only met 4 online girls before. One was scammer with fake photos, who I kicked out of my room. One was a genuine nursing student but no chemistry between us. One was a hottie who I could of scored but would have taken several dates, but I did not want to invest the time. And one cutey who screwed my brains out within 4 hours of meeting. Thats the odds on internet girls from my personal experience. I have had better luck with sales girls at the mall. I think Amivida advice is spot on.

Luvulooongtime

I have pretty much seen every acronym on all the mongering chat boards but what is RTFF?

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Wicked Roger, Amavida, Luvulooongtime: This is why I come here- excellent advice as usual. Thank you very much. I do promise to post on the results of this meeting- stay tuned.

X- holy hell dude. What to say, I apologize if I've cluttered the forum up with my post. Based on the other responses to my post, I'm not getting that vibe? In any event, yeah, first post for me. Gotta start somewhere right?

Let me define lurker- probably 18 months of RTFF, one visit to Manila, 3 to BKK, and left smiling each time. Do I regret not reporting these adventures here? I do. This time I will. I, as thousands of people around the world have before me, have saved countless mistakes by learning from the good people of ISG.

Lastly, OptimusPrime, damn my friend- I hope X man is easier on you.

(Read The Fuckin' Forum)

I

is it to find Filipinas of mixed Asian/black blood like the ones in California. It makes for a gorgeous combination but I dont see any in the Photos.I am strongly considering spending 2 weeks in AC but dont want to be completely dissapointed as I am a lover of dark skin ladies.I prefer the slim types w/nice asses. I hear the average Filipina has a flat rear but I may be able to make an exception.Doesnt Dennis Rodman's father have kids running around there? Maybe he has a hot daughter or sumpn?

[QUOTE=Curry]is it to find Filipinas of mixed Asian/black blood like the ones in California. It makes for a gorgeous combination but I dont see any in the Photos.I am strongly considering spending 2 weeks in AC but dont want to be completely dissapointed as I am a lover of dark skin ladies.I prefer the slim types w/nice asses. I hear the average Filipina has a flat rear but I may be able to make an exception.Doesnt Dennis Rodman's father have kids running around there? Maybe he has a hot daughter or sumpn?[/QUOTE]Lots of 2nd and 3rd generation bargirls working in AC. I.E. lot of mixed race girls. The mixed white girls are more top shelf and the asians love them. I love them all and they are easy to find in AC.

WHen I read Curry's post, there was someone special that came to mind. She wasn't mixed blood as far as I know...but...

It must have been a year or two, but the woman of your dreams was posted on the Thai photo thread. I don't think I dowloaded any of the pics, but she was a dark brown, skinny, supermodel fantastic. If anyone has those pics, send them to me...and to curry too if you think he's worthy.

There was a tall, half black, full booty, lady at EDSA...the arrows and ???...cowboys and indians bar..( I forgot the name)... Not slim by Asian standards, but pretty svelte nontheless.

X




[QUOTE=Curry]is it to find Filipinas of mixed Asian/black blood like the ones in California. It makes for a gorgeous combination but I dont see any in the Photos.I am strongly considering spending 2 weeks in AC but dont want to be completely dissapointed as I am a lover of dark skin ladies.I prefer the slim types w/nice asses. I hear the average Filipina has a flat rear but I may be able to make an exception.Doesnt Dennis Rodman's father have kids running around there? Maybe he has a hot daughter or sumpn?[/QUOTE]

What city would you recommend in the PI for the best GFE experience? Davao? An island I always swore I would never go to. Been to the PI several times over the last 20 years, but not in the last 6.

And why would you swear to never go to the island of Davao?

[QUOTE=Minnesota Peter]What city would you recommend in the PI for the best GFE experience? Davao? An island I always swore I would never go to. Been to the PI several times over the last 20 years, but not in the last 6.[/QUOTE]

Just for the sake of accuracy, Davao is not an island. It is the largest city on the island of Mindanao, which is the second largest island in the Philippines after Luzon.

C'mon GE, don't be a spoilsport. I was hoping to have some fun with that one.

X

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Just for the sake of accuracy, Davao is not an island. It is the largest city on the island of Mindanao, which is the second largest island in the Philippines after Luzon.[/QUOTE]

I will be getting married next year in Phils. My gf says I need a paper of some sort proving I am not married. She says I have to get it at the Canadian embassy in Manila. A co-worker told me this is wrong, only residents of Phils have to get this paper in Phils. Can I get the paper in Canada? I really don't want to go to Manila alone. Also someone said it can take hours to make it thru the line up. Others have said if you have a passport you can go right to the front of the line. Sounds like a cash grab if it's true. Should just be able to get this paper in Canada.

"It is the largest city on the island of Mindanao. "

REALLY? Boy the hobby has you guys pretty jaded. Davao doesn't really concern me but the island does (I have a brother-in-law living in Davao). Guess you "experts" don't know there are some upset Muslims on this island.

Can you tone down the smart a comments and answer the relevant question I asked, please.

[QUOTE=Tungsten Chef]I will be getting married next year in Phils. My gf says I need a paper of some sort proving I am not married. She says I have to get it at the Canadian embassy in Manila. A co-worker told me this is wrong, only residents of Phils have to get this paper in Phils. Can I get the paper in Canada? I really don't want to go to Manila alone. Also someone said it can take hours to make it thru the line up. Others have said if you have a passport you can go right to the front of the line. Sounds like a cash grab if it's true. Should just be able to get this paper in Canada.[/QUOTE]
Here is the Philippine Govt website with all the requirements for marriage
[url]http://www.gov.ph/faqs/marriage.asp[/url]

Short answer
Philippine law requires a citizen or subject of a foreign country to obtain a Certificate of Legal Capacity to Contract Marriage. It is issued by the diplomatic or consular offices of his or her country, prior to the issuance of a marriage license in the Philippines. This serves as a clearance or permit from the consul as an actual proof of the subject’s civil status and his/her eligibility for marriage.

There is a consulate office in Cebu

45 - L Andres Abellana Street
Cebu City 6000

Tel. (032) 256-3320; 254-4749

Fax (032) 255-3068

Email [email]Canada-Consulate-Cebu@Mozcom.com[/email]

Hope this helps

[QUOTE=Minnesota Peter]What city would you recommend in the PI for the best GFE experience? Davao? An island I always swore I would never go to. Been to the PI several times over the last 20 years, but not in the last 6.[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing here, I don't think it's the city as much as the individual girl who could be found anywhere. You don't specify if you are asking about p4p girls or normal girls.

Take the ribbing and you'll probably get all the help you need and some more. Just be clear with your questions.

I was the one with the "smart a" comment, which was based on your misuse of English implying that Davao was an island. Not sure why you quote and diss GE since he was just trying to clarify things. Furthermore, a question about Davao is probably best suited for the Davao thread rather than General Info.

What truly amazes me is that someone would use his 4th post to order GE and myself to "tone it down". I can't speak for GE, but have no plan to give you the time of day. Of course if you just went back and read my 900+ posts or GE's 1000+ posts you'll probably find the answer anyway.


Okay everyone, listen to expert Peter...there are upset Muslims on the island of Mindanao! Run for your lives!

X Man


[QUOTE=Minnesota Peter]"It is the largest city on the island of Mindanao. "

REALLY? Boy the hobby has you guys pretty jaded. Davao doesn't really concern me but the island does (I have a brother-in-law living in Davao). Guess you "experts" don't know there are some upset Muslims on this island.

Can you tone down the smart a comments and answer the relevant question I asked, please.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bilbo Baggins]I'm guessing here, I don't think it's the city as much as the individual girl who could be found anywhere. You don't specify if you are asking about p4p girls or normal girls.

Take the ribbing and you'll probably get all the help you need and some more. Just be clear with your questions.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply Bilbo:

Sorry... was asking about P4P. Understand, that each lady has her own preferences and exceptions, but what is the "norm" for the area was the just of my question.

And, you are right should have just let it go, not worth the reply. Besides sarcasm is tough in these forums.

[QUOTE=Minnesota Peter]

Sorry... was asking about P4P. what is the "norm" for the area was the jist of my question.

And, you are right should have just let it go, not worth the reply. Besides sarcasm is tough in these forums.[/QUOTE]
I kinda like X Man's sarcasm he doesn't put up with nonsense, I'm rather glad he hasn't directed it to me. No offense I was laughing when I read your reply to him and GE it was sorta like watching a man walking through quicksand. You see GoodEnough and X Man are probably the two best people to answer your question so it doesn't pay to alienate them there are others, not as good perhaps, but they are not posting or answering your question are they?

It is still not clear to me if you are asking about the Island of Mindanao and it's cities or the whole of the PI because you did ask? [B]"What city would you recommend in the PI for the best GFE experience?" [/B] And saying the "island of Davao" and "been to the PI several times " did raise red flags in my mind because a frequent traveler would know Davao was not an Island and so you did unintentionally open yourself up for a bit of sport.

I read recently that the Mayor of Cagayan De Oro has cracked down on prostitution so that would leave Davao as the best city in Mindanao for what you want of course my information is based on what GoodEnough has said in the past. He is the resident expert on Davao and Mindanao seeing he lives there and travels around the island, Muslim parts included. I have never been to Mindanao all my knowledge is second hand. I am interested in the place as I'm going there next year.

If you meant the whole of PI then I would say Angeles City by reputation, I went there once and didn't like it so don't ask my opinion, then Manila, then Cebu City, then Davao City. X Man would know for sure if he cares to make time for you.

I wouldn't get too put off by X Man even when he is dissing you and says "he wouldn't give you the time of day," he's still giving you good advice by advising you to post your question on the Davao forum where you are more likely to get a response from Davao travelers and to read through their posts where you will probably find your answers, he could have said nothing. Read and post in the Dragonslayers Forum on Davao he has good info too.

Bilbao, thanks for the kind words. While it's true that the Mayor of CDO has constrained the sex bars a bit, the only visible consequence is that the girls no longer get naked on stage, but strip to bras and panties. Other than that (which does diminish the enjoyment of watching somewhat), the ease of picking up women hasn't changed a bit, nor have the prices, nor has the selection narrowed at all. So, in relation to the question of GFE, nothing in CDO has changed. The girls are still plentiful. They're still beautiful. They're still available.

For my money, Gion is still the best place to for number and variety. However, I have a good friend who went to Gion last week and he left quickly because he said the mamasan kept trying to pressure him into buying drinks. That's not been my experience, but it's been a little while since I've been there. I will be in CDO during the last week of the month and I'll update the information as appropriate then.

In Davao, nothing much ever changes. It's easier here than in CDO to meet "normal" women if only because there are so many more venues here than in Cagayan de Oro and so many women who want to meet and establish relationships with foreign men. I was in SM mall over the week end with my wife, and I still got innumerable smiles that could have been followed up. I've never been to Angeles and there are lots of other places in the country to which I've never been, but Davao remains the best place I've ever seen to meet non-pro ladies.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Bilbao, thanks for the kind words. While it's true that the Mayor of CDO has constrained the sex bars a bit, the only visible consequence is that the girls no longer get naked on stage, but strip to bras and panties. Other than that (which does diminish the enjoyment of watching somewhat), the ease of picking up women hasn't changed a bit, nor have the prices, nor has the selection narrowed at all. So, in relation to the question of GFE, nothing in CDO has changed. The girls are still plentiful. They're still beautiful. They're still available.

For my money, Gion is still the best place to for number and variety. However, I have a good friend who went to Gion last week and he left quickly because he said the mamasan kept trying to pressure him into buying drinks. That's not been my experience, but it's been a little while since I've been there. I will be in CDO during the last week of the month and I'll update the information as appropriate then.

In Davao, nothing much ever changes. It's easier here than in CDO to meet "normal" women if only because there are so many more venues here than in Cagayan de Oro and so many women who want to meet and establish relationships with foreign men. I was in SM mall over the week end with my wife, and I still got innumerable smiles that could have been followed up. I've never been to Angeles and there are lots of other places in the country to which I've never been, but Davao remains the best place I've ever seen to meet non-pro ladies.

GE[/QUOTE]


I am not challenging you since you are like a scientific expert on Philippines and its ladies. I just wanted to add man it’s not hard to meet regular girls in PI period I don’t care where you are if you are a foreigner. That’s just my experience. Unless you venture into the Islamic dominated areas. When I was there I never been so flirted with in my life. I mean normal ladies working in the hotels, store clerks, college students it was utterly ridiculous.

Thanks for the replies.

The intent of my original question was to ask about the best city/area in the PI for a P4P GFE. That is why I posted it in the general area. The question was poorly worded and I apologize for that.

I agree, walking around SM and being friendly gets lots of smiles and giggles from the regular girls. I just do not have the heart, at the present, to reestablish a real relationship yet, and they are so sweet, can't play the player. It is an ego boast though. LOL.

Most of my time has been spent in the smaller cities of the Visayas.

Anyways, keep up the good work and info. Guess, I'm just gonna have to go back and experience it for myself again.

Peace

I've mongered in Thailand and Cambodia. Meat is pretty cheap there. Accomodation is especially cheap. How much should I bring to monger in the Philippines (angeles city & manilla), specifically, mongering for bargirls and freelancers? I spent about $120/day in Pattaya. How much money will get me a good time and a good lady for a low price? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Cheap Meat]I've mongered in Thailand and Cambodia. Meat is pretty cheap there. Accomodation is especially cheap. How much should I bring to monger in the Philippines (angeles city & manilla), specifically, mongering for bargirls and freelancers? I spent about $120/day in Pattaya. How much money will get me a good time and a good lady for a low price? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I spend $100 a day in AC + Hotel. In AC a good hotel can be had for around $30, but some pay way more (I don't know why). Overnight with a girl in AC is 1000-1500P. Tip up to you, but if girl does as agreed I give 500P. LA cafe in Manilia all nights are 2000-2500, some pay more, don't need too. No tip for the cafe girls as they get it all. In AC no need to do freelancers, in fact I say stay away from them (set-up or other problems). LA cafe is all freelancers in Manilia. Other clubs in Manilia are over priced.

Was in La Cafe a week ago tops I paid was 1500 pesos. Some 1000 pesos older ones some long time some short time. Be cool lots of gals there dosnt like your price then dosnt really like u. U can always ask another, girls in the mall make take home 300 pesos tops a day gals working in those other stores 100 pesos a day I know I couldn't believe it either so 1500 pesos for screwing with a white foreinger is great for them hey have you seen there ugly men they get it for free?

[QUOTE=Freetime]I spend $100 a day in AC + Hotel. Overnight with a girl in AC is 1000-1500P. Tip up to you, but if girl does as agreed I give 500P. [/QUOTE]
Very similar to my expenses. Roughly 4-5k per day.
Next trip 28 days and counting! :D
Cheers!

I wanted to book a flight originally from newark nj to Clark ( AC ) but the fare
was $2350. If I book the fllight from newark to Manila the cost is $1527.
How long will it take me to fly from manila to clark and what airline should I arrange it with ? the earliest I would land in manila is around 10pm
thanks to anyone that can help

I recommend you stay the night in Manila and then get a ride to AC the next day as it's less than a two hours by car. There is a bus service that has been mentioned in this thread a few times. You could also arrange a ride to AC the night of your arrival.

X

[QUOTE=IamLookin]I wanted to book a flight originally from newark nj to Clark ( AC ) but the fare
was $2350. If I book the fllight from newark to Manila the cost is $1527.
How long will it take me to fly from manila to clark and what airline should I arrange it with ? the earliest I would land in manila is around 10pm
thanks to anyone that can help[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IamLookin]I wanted to book a flight originally from newark nj to Clark ( AC ) but the fare
was $2350. If I book the fllight from newark to Manila the cost is $1527.
How long will it take me to fly from manila to clark and what airline should I arrange it with ? the earliest I would land in manila is around 10pm
thanks to anyone that can help[/QUOTE]

You'll most likely go by 4 wheel vehicle. You can hire a cab to take you for like 2500 pesos or get picked up by one of the services in AC for the same amount. Or as mentioned earlier maybe just stay in Manila one night and go to LA Cafe and EDSA and Makati or something. There are some bus services like Fly the Bus which will take you to your hotel in AC for 500 pesos that you can get at Swagman Hotel in Manila. There should be info somewhere about times in the PI section.

Hey, does anybody has an experince about finding MILFs in Manila and Cebu?
For me, a MILF would be a 40+ filipina.

I was just wondering if anyone had recently flown from Hong Kong to Manila or Clark Airbase had any luck in finding a cheap airline or travel agency to book an online ticket from?

I just checked Cathay's online site and the cheapest ticket they were offering was $287 return.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Bees11]I was just wondering if anyone had recently flown from Hong Kong to Manila or Clark Airbase had any luck in finding a cheap airline or travel agency to book an online ticket from?[/quote]BEES11

If you go to Macau take the ferry from Hong kong Tiger air have daily flight to Clark very cheap if you book online 3 week ahead is own by singapore airline use old plane ,I took it last yr it was ok flight but they will charge if you have alot of luggage so travel light .

Fast eddie 48

Cheapest flights from Hong Kong to Manila are usually on Philippine Air. Used to be about U.S. $200 round trip but prices seem to have gone up quite a bit lately I guess due to oil prices. The flight is under 2 hours & service is usually ok. Of course, after arriving in Manila, you have to either take a bus or rent or car to Angeles. I don't know if there's a cheaper way to go direct to Clark.

[QUOTE=Bees11]I was just wondering if anyone had recently flown from Hong Kong to Manila or Clark Airbase had any luck in finding a cheap airline or travel agency to book an online ticket from?

I just checked Cathay's online site and the cheapest ticket they were offering was $287 return.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

Hello, Asia newbie here, looking for website(s) to chat with the girls and/or see pictures of regular girls - similar to cybercupido or badoo for latin america. Thanks in advance.

PM me if you need info on Colombia.

[QUOTE=Sean EZ]Hello, Asia newbie here, looking for website(s) to chat with the girls and/or see pictures of regular girls - similar to cybercupido or badoo for latin america. Thanks in advance.

PM me if you need info on Colombia.[/QUOTE]Sean try these two watch out for scammers
[url]http://www.filipinaheart.com/[/url] and [url]http://www.blossoms.com/[/url]

also check out the forum "Chat Rooms and Pen Pals"

BB

[QUOTE=Kalboman]Cheapest flights from Hong Kong to Manila are usually on Philippine Air.[/QUOTE]
Actually, Cebu Pacific consistantly has the cheapest fares although PAL tries to match CP. It all depends on when you want to fly and how far in advance you by your ticket. It is very easy to buy a ticket on Cebu Pacific's website. Also cheaper if you buy your ticket on a thursday as the airlines adjust their fares.

The only advantage I can see by flying PAL is that they have their own spacious terminal in Manila. Otherwise, I would never recommend anybody fly them. Hong Kong Airways used to fly into Clark a few times a week but that route has been discontinued.

To get from Hong Kong to Clark you can go to Macau and get on the daily Tiger Airways flight direct to Angeles.
Round trip costs about 800 hkd if you buy it online at least 2 months in advance.

Beijing Lover

[QUOTE=Kalboman]Cheapest flights from Hong Kong to Manila are usually on Philippine Air. Used to be about U.S. $200 round trip but prices seem to have gone up quite a bit lately I guess due to oil prices. The flight is under 2 hours & service is usually ok. Of course, after arriving in Manila, you have to either take a bus or rent or car to Angeles. I don't know if there's a cheaper way to go direct to Clark.[/QUOTE]

last night me and the main squeeze hit up makati and danced the night away in one of greenbelt’s nice new clubs. for guys looking for some non mongering fun it is some real eye candy in this place. top of line filipinas with their own dough. worth a check out for those that don’t know. i got a little dough now but i still don’t feel comfortable around the yups. for some of you might be your speed.

I hope I am posting in the right area. I am planning my first trip to Manilla this year and need some guidance. I am stationed in Okinawa and I frequent the RLDs (Yoshihara & Maehara) rather frequently. I am not too fond of the prices of the soapies in Oki (Tsuji District). I also do not go to jack shacks because the prices are basically the same as the RLDs. I've only used an ES once and I thought it was good but rather high. I tend to stay away from the philipina "juicy girls" over here also because of the love motel fees..but I have messed around with philipinas over here. So I guess I am looking for FS and/or BBBJs in RLDs for a reasonable price. I have thought about trying ES again because I will be staying in a hotel, but I would rather go to the services. I've been reading around the Phillipines forums and you guys have posted a wealth of information..I still feel I need some guidance, so I don't get ripped off. Also the Phillipines is freakin' huge compared to what's available in Okinawa. I am all ears for suggestions, where to stay, etc. (I haven't booked tickets, hotel accommodations). I've also heard from a couple of friends about the scams and rip-offs (like the cabbies over-charging) which the Okinawans never do. One friend even told me about this kid that tried to pick pocket him and failed. Any advice you guys give would be great.

Many visitors to the Philippines have some plans about taking some local girl for vacation. Fantasies run high: enjoying a quiet retreat on a lost island somewhere or going to party with some friends in Borocay, having some candle-lit romantic dinners on the beach, then wild nights with the local girl who is so happy to enjoy this simple life.

I had personally a good similar experience, taking an AC girl to a remote island (Sangat) which is a divers paradise. I also witnessed a disaster at that same island with another couple. This is why I would like to share my experience, of what is IMHO what to do and not to do.

The disastrous couple was evident. Sangat is a beautiful, natural but simple resort, no AirCo, no TV, no disco. The girl was clearly an hardcore city girl, and she had not been informed about the lack of island facilities before boarding the plane. The guy (a Canadian) was with another Western couple who had arranged that perfect blind date. They were always speaking together about intellectual matters which were of no interest for the girl. They wanted to take her on hiking, but she had only flip-flops. The guy was nice, but lacked any sense of seduction. At the end everyone got angry, the Western couple gave $ 100 to the girl to leave, without preoccupying that all flights were fully booked at those dates, so the girl kept coming back asking for her additional travel costs until a flight was available. I must add that those guys did not want to speak to the girl, but went through the hotel Management, involving and pissing off everyone.

My own experience was excellent – so here are the rules for helping you to enjoy it:. I got my girl from the Carrousel at Angeles City: Php 1, 350 barfine, and a tip for the girl (who is so sweet she even does not want it.); payable in advance, but the Mama-sang was very cooperative (no over-charging for credit cards, allows the girl to stay longer.).

- I checked the girl for 3 nights before taking her for that one week stay on my island – she is cool, beginner on that job, sweet, not a pretentious one; you don’t need a perfect model for going on vacation, but someone who is adaptable.

- I clearly informed her about the island, no airco, no TV; I told her what to take (no city clothes), made sure that she was adequately dressed for the (wet) boat transfers.

- No, you won’t be able to have any intellectual conversation with such girl; diners are a quiet meeting; she was quite shy, especially with foreigners. So it requires some effort from your part: a lot of cuddling, make sure you give her enough attention even when all what you want to do is having a long political chat with another guy.

- And most important: medical check-up:

Indeed, the romantic atmosphere will bring you to some bare-back abandon, even if, like me, you are very strict with condoms. I had taken her for a preliminary AIDS test (hoping it’s not a scam), and a regular hygiene test, but be prepared: traces of Herpes are found on all girls, therefore. Welcome to the club. I also made sure about her contraception method (although in my own perspective, I am programmed to always ejaculate outside a pussy).

The rewards were great, a very good GFE, she did not complain at all, and we had great sex except the 3 days of course that she had her unexpected periods. We tried anal, but she is too tight and did not want to hurt her. I gave her her first oral sex, and nothing is more exciting than hearing her spontaneous moans as she has that first new experience.

Happy mongering, I hope some of those recommendations will help to avoid bad experiences as I have witnessed.

[QUOTE=Hawaiiflyo]Any advice you guys give would be great.[/QUOTE]The only advice that I can give you is to read the Philippine forum. I made my first trip to the PI three years ago and I read and re-read almost every post on here and I learned a lot.

Have fun!
Robb

Great post SWS,

Can you elaborate on your dealings with the bar? Did you pay that bar fine per day you were with the girl?

Carasoul? Were you humping my sweet little Jocelyn? That girl wore me out in two days, I don't think I could spend a week with her!

As for the other couple you described, was she also a bar girl? You seem to blame the guy for everything, but I have to think something else was going on there.... Nevertheless, SWS makes a very good point - always make sure the chemistry is right before you start making reservations.

I hope you can give more info about Sangat (Transportation, hotel, beaches, pics, etc) on the "other areas" thread. That is on Palawan, right?
[url]http://www.starfish.ch/dive/Sangat.html[/url]

And my own tip: If you are spending time with a lady (bar girl or not) give her the day's spending money and let her hassle with expenses (taxis, tips, bargaining, etc.). This makes things more stress free for me, and I suppose gives her the illusion that you are giving her money.

X Man


[QUOTE=SexWithSmile]Many visitors to the Philippines have some plans about taking some local girl for vacation. Fantasies run high: enjoying a quiet retreat on a lost island somewhere or going to party with some friends in Borocay, having some candle-lit romantic dinners on the beach, then wild nights with the local girl who is so happy to enjoy this simple life.

I had personally a good similar experience, taking an AC girl to a remote island (Sangat) which is a divers paradise. I also witnessed a disaster at that same island with another couple. This is why I would like to share my experience, of what is IMHO what to do and not to do.

The disastrous couple was evident. Sangat is a beautiful, natural but simple resort, no AirCo, no TV, no disco. The girl was clearly an hardcore city girl, and she had not been informed about the lack of island facilities before boarding the plane. The guy (a Canadian) was with another Western couple who had arranged that perfect blind date. They were always speaking together about intellectual matters which were of no interest for the girl. They wanted to take her on hiking, but she had only flip-flops. The guy was nice, but lacked any sense of seduction. At the end everyone got angry, the Western couple gave $ 100 to the girl to leave, without preoccupying that all flights were fully booked at those dates, so the girl kept coming back asking for her additional travel costs until a flight was available. I must add that those guys did not want to speak to the girl, but went through the hotel Management, involving and pissing off everyone.

My own experience was excellent – so here are the rules for helping you to enjoy it:. I got my girl from the Carrousel at Angeles City: Php 1, 350 barfine, and a tip for the girl (who is so sweet she even does not want it.); payable in advance, but the Mama-sang was very cooperative (no over-charging for credit cards, allows the girl to stay longer.).

- I checked the girl for 3 nights before taking her for that one week stay on my island – she is cool, beginner on that job, sweet, not a pretentious one; you don’t need a perfect model for going on vacation, but someone who is adaptable.

- I clearly informed her about the island, no airco, no TV; I told her what to take (no city clothes), made sure that she was adequately dressed for the (wet) boat transfers.

- No, you won’t be able to have any intellectual conversation with such girl; diners are a quiet meeting; she was quite shy, especially with foreigners. So it requires some effort from your part: a lot of cuddling, make sure you give her enough attention even when all what you want to do is having a long political chat with another guy.

- And most important: medical check-up:

Indeed, the romantic atmosphere will bring you to some bare-back abandon, even if, like me, you are very strict with condoms. I had taken her for a preliminary AIDS test (hoping it’s not a scam), and a regular hygiene test, but be prepared: traces of Herpes are found on all girls, therefore. Welcome to the club. I also made sure about her contraception method (although in my own perspective, I am programmed to always ejaculate outside a pussy).

The rewards were great, a very good GFE, she did not complain at all, and we had great sex except the 3 days of course that she had her unexpected periods. We tried anal, but she is too tight and did not want to hurt her. I gave her her first oral sex, and nothing is more exciting than hearing her spontaneous moans as she has that first new experience.

Happy mongering, I hope some of those recommendations will help to avoid bad experiences as I have witnessed.[/QUOTE]