Thai Women - Opinions & Advice

No, Joe, don't believe the nay-sayers1

She loves you, she truly does!
Making her an "honest woman" will change her.
She told me so, as she gave me a heavenly blow job -
"you cock too big Gentleman - but Joe has perfect small cock, I love it immensly!
I be his number 1 wife and business partner - it true love, like Romeo and Juliette (Marquis de Sade version)"

So abandon your wife and young child - go to your bargirl and save her!
Invest in her business proposition prosper and live happily ever after...

Best wishes,

GT

[QUOTE=Joe Cose]Need some advice. I am getting deeply involved with a bar girl. She is 40, classy and works out of one of the better bars in Pattaya. She has several regular customers who barfine her for blocks of time when they visit LOS. This is my fifth trip to LOS and the last couple of trips I have found myself more inclined to go back to my regulars. I met this particular girl in trip 2 and had a sensational time with her, superb GFE. She wanted more but I said I needed to butterfly, she said she understood. Ditto trip 3. On trip 5 I saw her and sparks flew. I took her to Isaan for a trip and every moment was bliss. I ended up going with her for 8 days straight. Now I am on a business trip out of LOS for 2 weeks but have arranged to see her on my return. She says she has given me her heart and it sure feels like it. One day she said those little words that go straight to a man's heart, 'I want you fuck me no condom'. Her bar makes her check every month so not a bad risk for me, maybe more for her? Anyways I did and it was totally sublime, she has the most beautiful tight pussy. I go straight to heaven.

I have been thinking I need some pretext to visit Thailand more often and she owns some land she bought 5 years before in Ayutayah. She wants to build a hotel for migrant workers on it. I am thinking this could make a good business partnership. I am planning to visit the land with her and make some investigation about the profitability of the whole thing. I would not need to put in a significant part of my wealth. She has a good strong character for business but very inexperienced. BTW, I have a wife and young kid at home but right now I have half a mind to just up sticks and go live with her in LOS.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Joe Cose]Need some advice. I am getting deeply involved with a bar girl. She is 40, classy and works out of one of the better bars in Pattaya. She has several regular customers who barfine her for blocks of time when they visit LOS. This is my fifth trip to LOS and the last couple of trips I have found myself more inclined to go back to my regulars. I met this particular girl in trip 2 and had a sensational time with her, superb GFE. She wanted more but I said I needed to butterfly, she said she understood. Ditto trip 3. On trip 5 I saw her and sparks flew. I took her to Isaan for a trip and every moment was bliss. I ended up going with her for 8 days straight. Now I am on a business trip out of LOS for 2 weeks but have arranged to see her on my return. She says she has given me her heart and it sure feels like it. One day she said those little words that go straight to a man's heart, 'I want you fuck me no condom'. Her bar makes her check every month so not a bad risk for me, maybe more for her? Anyways I did and it was totally sublime, she has the most beautiful tight pussy. I go straight to heaven.

I have been thinking I need some pretext to visit Thailand more often and she owns some land she bought 5 years before in Ayutayah. She wants to build a hotel for migrant workers on it. I am thinking this could make a good business partnership. I am planning to visit the land with her and make some investigation about the profitability of the whole thing. I would not need to put in a significant part of my wealth. She has a good strong character for business but very inexperienced. BTW, I have a wife and young kid at home but right now I have half a mind to just up sticks and go live with her in LOS.[/QUOTE]You are either a TROLL or a complete fool.

Thanks for the belly laugh.

[QUOTE=Joe Cose]She says she has given me her heart and it sure feels like it. One day she said those little words that go straight to a man's heart, 'I want you fuck me no condom'. Her bar makes her check every month so not a bad risk for me, maybe more for her? Anyways I did and it was totally sublime, she has the most beautiful tight pussy. I go straight to heaven.[/quote]

Dude, please oh please, WAKE the fuck up!!!
I have been living in Bkk for about 4 years and have heard these same words coming out of girls mouths countless times.

1. she does not love you, sorry. You are a customer and a potential dumb one from whom she will be able to extract money when needed (sick buffalo, motorbike repair, mother in hospital...)

2. the No condom issue, hahaha, this makes me laugh because 99% of the P4P girls in LOS do it with no condom with all their regular (unless the man refuses). They have no idea about STDs. And the monthly checks? well they can easily walk into a crooked doctor's office and ask for a fake exam.
Not many places actually pay for their own doctor.

[quote]I have been thinking I need some pretext to visit Thailand more often and she owns some land she bought 5 years before in Ayutayah. She wants to build a hotel for migrant workers on it. I am thinking this could make a good business partnership. I am planning to visit the land with her and make some investigation about the profitability of the whole thing. I would not need to put in a significant part of my wealth. She has a good strong character for business but very inexperienced.[/quote]

Careful... be very very careful. This is Thailand you are investing in. All the papers will be on her name (the Land for sure) so you must be very cautious.
As far as the hotel is concerned, she could wait until it is built, maybe a few years later ask for astronomical rent. This will drive the business to the ground and one of her "cousins" will buy it cheap. then you'll be out the picture.

Be very careful and no matter what you do, hire a lawyer to look at all the papers (all will be in thai)

Good luck anyway

[QUOTE=Joe Cose]Thank you everyone for your help, I already feel much better and wiser.[/QUOTE]

In case you missed it, Joe said he's got it.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]great advice although I'm not too sure about the 2 wives bit being truly workable. You might find it comes with far too many problems. [/QUOTE]e.g. two mothers-in-law. ;)

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]( 100 square meter or 2,500 sq. ft. )[/QUOTE]

Not. A meter is 39 inches or 3-1/4 feet or 13/4 feet. Square both the numerator and the denominator = 169/16 = 10.5625 square feet per square meter. Ergo 100 square meters is 1,056.25 square feet.

I feel so much more manly now that I have a 15.24 centimeter dick instead of a six inch one. The metric system rocks!

Thanks for the math lesson Dickhead. Not being good with numbers I read this somewhere so I used it for a quick quote to my post. For a while you were BigDickhead!

LBM

Personally, I don't know how the Thai guys do it? The guy across the street from me is fat and ugly which I should talk when it comes to looks. But I found out the Thai soap opera on this guy. I always though he had 1 wife which is the one I always see but now I find out the young white skin cutie I have seen many times isn't really part of the family but his second wife on top of that he drives up one day in his nice Toyota Hilux and his windows are broken in the back like 2 bricks or rock were throw through them. The story now is that he just got another women pregnant which came over to his house and all hell broke through. Where the fuck was I? I was home all day and missed on the excitment!

LBM

I met a girl in Pattaya last month. She worked at a legit massage place (if there is such a thing in Pattaya). Very sweet girl, great english, nice bod. Took her out after seeing her for massages for a few days, and had a great time at the disco, and back at the hotel. We are still emailing and talking - nothing serious, just bs. She is definitely great to take my mind off my current life and semi-girlfriend and does a very nice gfe, but I know the routine, been there before.

I'll give her the benefit of the doubt for now, she hasn't asked for a dime, but did hint at some bad luck she was having. I know whats next, and that will be the quickest way for me to get over her.

I do want to go back to see her though. Don't want to lie too much, but not sure how to play it and still have other fun. Thinking of coming in for 3 weeks and only telling her I am there for a week. Take her on a trip or something. I really enjoy a mix of gfe and short timers I can kick out, so she fits the gfe very nicely. I get bored of bar girls after a while, and look for more of a connection.

Like I said, she is very nice, so I am not looking to screw her over or leave her bitter - just want to have my cake and eat it too. Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=Spivey24]I met a girl in Pattaya last month. She worked at a legit massage place (if there is such a thing in Pattaya). Very sweet girl, great english, nice bod. Took her out after seeing her for massages for a few days, and had a great time at the disco, and back at the hotel. We are still emailing and talking - nothing serious, just bs. She is definitely great to take my mind off my current life and semi-girlfriend and does a very nice gfe, but I know the routine, been there before.

I'll give her the benefit of the doubt for now, she hasn't asked for a dime, but did hint at some bad luck she was having. I know whats next, and that will be the quickest way for me to get over her.

I do want to go back to see her though. Don't want to lie too much, but not sure how to play it and still have other fun. Thinking of coming in for 3 weeks and only telling her I am there for a week. Take her on a trip or something. I really enjoy a mix of gfe and short timers I can kick out, so she fits the gfe very nicely. I get bored of bar girls after a while, and look for more of a connection.

Like I said, she is very nice, so I am not looking to screw her over or leave her bitter - just want to have my cake and eat it too. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]

So you are sick of Bar girls and think you'll get more of a connection with a massage girl? that's a little Funny :D

Anyway, keep it simple and please don't send her money. I am always amazed about these guys who fall in love with the first P4P girl they meet.

Good luck with your trip

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]So you are sick of Bar girls and think you'll get more of a connection with a massage girl? that's a little Funny :D

Anyway, keep it simple and please don't send her money. I am always amazed about these guys who fall in love with the first P4P girl they meet.

Good luck with your trip[/QUOTE]


Na, no plans to send money. Nothing good can come of that. Not exactly a P4P girl either, and hardly the first.

Spivey24,

Break it all down slowly and it becomes clear! Many girls who can't or don't like working in Bars or go go's learn how to do massages. Since massages are such a big think in Thailand the government even gives free lessons for Thai Nationals with license certificates. She might be working in a legit massage place now but where she learn how to speak English and use the Internet well. In general, most Thai women who never has worked in a Bar or GoGo etc.. or have had little interaction with Farangs would hesitate somewhat before going off with you. She has done this in a different scale before.

In my earlier days, I use to take out some of the massage girls down Soi 4, from Nana for dinner etc... during my foot massage within the conversation if they are interested they strike up ' where you go " I would meet them for dinner etc.. and they always never had a problem coming back to my room. In the morning I usually give them money just like a bar girl etc... except I say here is some money for shopping. Personally, I have no problem as I said before that everyone deserves a second chance in life people have to do what they have to do to get by.. but at times a massage place is just another venue to work out and set things up. If she shows her colors she will eventually head down the road asking for the same things a bargirl will!

Guys beware of this line too! Oh I have been doing this for only 1,2,3 days!

Good luck and take it slow! LBM

[QUOTE=Spivey24]Na, no plans to send money. Nothing good can come of that. Not exactly a P4P girl either, and hardly the first.[/QUOTE]

ok, I hope it works well for you mate.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]
Break it all down slowly and it becomes clear! Many girls who can't or don't like working in Bars or go go's learn how to do massages. Since massages are such a big think in Thailand the government even gives free lessons for Thai Nationals with license certificates. She might be working in a legit massage place now but where she learn how to speak English and use the Internet well. In general, most Thai women who never has worked in a Bar or GoGo etc.. or have had little interaction with Farangs would hesitate somewhat before going off with you. She has done this in a different scale before.
[/QUOTE]

Well put LBM. Good points to consider.

[QUOTE=Spivey24]Like I said, she is very nice, so I am not looking to screw her over or leave her bitter. Just want to have my cake and eat it too. Any suggestions? [/QUOTE]It depends on the girl, but most are looking for a long term relationship not just a week of fun. So, if you don't want to screw her maybe you should speak with her about this.

Anyway, many bar girls are going to give you a genuine GFE if you choose then right, and you'll have peace of mind because you're paying them for their time. So really no need to be bothering yourself too much about this.

I don't think a relationship is necessary bad, but you need to have quite good pockets to start something like this, and be willing to dump all the money that you invest on her.

right, now with all these p4p stories i thought it would be a nice change to write about my encounter last night.

for those interested in the story, it starts here:

an ex-gik of mine whom i still see as a friend (or let’s say we no longer fuck) wanted to introduce me to another friend of hers, a 19 years old, very good looking girl. i was not so sure what the deal was but i have the feeling that the lady is still a virgin and that her friend wanted to introduce me as being a “nice guy”.
i wasn’t very interested to be honest but the girl’s face was so cute that i could not really resist. her body was ok (nothing fantastic, if anything she is way too thin for my taste and has no tits).

we got to talking and her english is good, she tried to be intriguing and this actually made things interesting enough for me to want to pursue things further. now this lady isn’t very shy in the sense where she gets very comfortable in the presence of men but i could not guess if that confidence would continue in the bedroom (only time will tell).

yesterday we met at siam paragon and she was hungry so we went to have dinner at some posh thai place that was very expensive (for thai standards) and the food was very blend. surprisingly she had a glass of wine (i stayed with soda) and during dinner started talking about politics: what do i think about the actual situation, what is my view as a farang about the monarchy situation, what do i think of thailand in general compared to my home country… i clearly told her i was a guest in this country and that it was not my place to judge how things are done. i was never treated badly so i had nothing to complain about. however, in response to the question about comparing thailand to france, well, let’s just say that there is so much shit going on in france that i am not sure thailand will ever be able to catch up with our mess lol.

after a while i got the conversation to drift toward more sexual topics and i could sense that for the first time she was getting a little uncomfortable. i talked about relationships and the drama of my past relationships which she jumped on and blamed the cultural differences, asking if i made all the efforts to try and see things from the thai lady’s point of view. when things got more about “her” she said she was in a 2 years relationship with a thai man but that they were just going out only. so basically she was a virgin.

i pushed things asking her why she did not have sex with her boyfriend and explaining that guys need to feel the lady is ready to make sacrifices for them. plus, we need sex on a regular basis. she was funny, arguing that if a guy was really in love with her then he would be willing to wait as long as she wanted.
i had to smile and told her that women often think that they are the queens of the relationship, that the men always have to do what the ladies want and that it was not fair. this meant that the ladies don’t love their man as much then because if they loved us, they would do their best to help satisfy us.

i continued with the following question: “so you would be ok with a guy that does not have sex with you for 2 years because he loves you and is ready to wait, meanwhile he is getting his sex from another woman?” she did not really know how to respond to that and was kind of cornered so i decided to not press the issue.

we went back to talking about food and some other crazy topics before it was time to go to the movies. we were not really in the mood for movies anymore and she asked me where i live, if my condo is big? how is it decorated? (she was waiting for me to ask her back to my place?)
after her speech and now that i knew she was a virgo, there was no real interest anymore (apart from the fact that she had such a beautiful face)
i thanked her for her time and told her i was really tired and had to wake up early. she said she wants to see me again but i think i will pass. got a weird feeling about this one, the kind of girl that you sleep with once and then can’t get rid of any longer.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Got a weird feeling about this one, the kind of girl that you sleep with once and then can’t get rid of any longer.[/QUOTE]Good move. A cute, but spoiled, self serving child. Why bother? PITA waiting to happen.

How many death star queens like that in Thailand? Millions. As far as I can tell anyway. But then again, in the last 3 generations of Thais, not many reach learning basic 6th grade tenets of "If/Then" axioms of human behavior, and they are not taught even the slightest idea about the subject in the home.

Thai women often falsify multi-targeted grandiose ideas for themselves, then create their way of life around the self modified corruptions, then suddenly find themselves living within a large scope of dire negative consequences as a result. And this, generally inherent, Thai cycle of ignorance, spins and spins ad nauseum, for both Thai men and women.

TIT, move away from the fire before it burns you. And this one sounds like a real piece of work.

[quote=nicfrenchy]...an ex-gik of mine whom i still see as a friend (or let’s say we no longer fuck) wanted to introduce me to another friend of hers, a 19 years old, ... after her speech and now that i knew she was a virgo, there was no real interest anymore ... [/quote]
maybe your ex gik was trying to get even with you for something, but i'm wondering what the fact that the girl was a virgo has to do with anything. are you superstitious?

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Maybe your ex gik was trying to get even with you for something, but I'm wondering what the fact that the girl was a virgo has to do with anything. Are you superstitious?[/QUOTE]
Ooh I was once married to a Virgo. Definitely very bad! even if I'm not superstitious. :D

[QUOTE=Daddy07] Are you superstitious?[/QUOTE]

Not at all, I just don't like virgins, that's all.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Not at all, I just don't like virgins, that's all.[/QUOTE]
Oh, "virgo" means virgin, not the astrological sign, now I understand.

I agree with you 100% about not wanting a virgin. I have one after me and I've vowed not to lay a hand on her. The last thing I want to do is break the heart of a little 22 year old virgin.

Yes, you should run like hell in the opposite direction IMHO.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Oh, "virgo" means virgin, not the astrological sign, now I understand.

I agree with you 100% about not wanting a virgin. I have one after me and I've vowed not to lay a hand on her. The last thing I want to do is break the heart of a little 22 year old virgin.

Yes, you should run like hell in the opposite direction IMHO.[/QUOTE]
Girls that are still virgins at 22 are just not horny enough.

When selecting a GF these days, I would NOT consider any girl who did not at least start masterbating herself from a young age. My ex-wife was a virgin when we met (and co-incidentally a virgo as well :) but not a Vegan), never played withself, did not know what an orgasm was like. Makes for a disaster girl on the bed!

Horny girls with experience are a much better idea. A girl you never have to ask for sex, she is ready for it at all times.

I mean us horny guys all starting wanking young, didn't we?

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]When selecting a GF these days, I would NOT consider any girl who did not at least start masterbating herself from a young age.[/QUOTE]

That puzzles me... so what do you do then? ask them on the first date? hahaha

I see the conversation go like this: So darling, what do you think about the chicken? nice eh? an dby the way, at what age did you start to play with your "special place?"

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]That puzzles me... so what do you do then? ask them on the first date? hahaha

I see the conversation go like this: So darling, what do you think about the chicken? nice eh? an dby the way, at what age did you start to play with your "special place?"[/QUOTE]
I don't get that far ahead of myself.
That question comes much later.
One day she has to pass the drunk test as well.
Sometimes a hidden evil horror comes out when people get drunk.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]One day she has to pass the drunk test as well.
Sometimes a hidden evil horror comes out when people get drunk.[/QUOTE]This one was good. A subconscious check.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]...cut....
One day she has to pass the drunk test as well.
Sometimes a hidden evil horror comes out when people get drunk.[/QUOTE]

I have now dumped two LT tgf's based on the outcome of their behavour after seeing them not once but after a couple of tries (forgiveness) on my part - they can turn truly ***ness. Now it has become part of my SOP(standard operating procedure) before I would even consider her to be a tgf!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]So you are sick of Bar girls and think you'll get more of a connection with a massage girl? That's a little Funny: D

Anyway, keep it simple and please don't send her money. I am always amazed about these guys who fall in love with the first P4P girl they meet.

Good luck with your trip[/QUOTE] 12 years ago my dad who hadn't had sex with another woman since my mom had divorced him a year earlier went off to Thailand went straight to Pattaya and met the hideous bargirl he married within 6 months. He then brought to England for a couple of years where she would get drunk and abusive but he couldn't see the warnings, there were even talks of having his vasectomy reversed.

He then moved her back to central Thailand where he bought land from her family and proceeded to build an air conditioned mansion all financed on credit cards for the last 10 years he has done six months there and six months grafting on building sites to pay for it all.

She is a total ***** and is now infected HIV so she was obviously fucking someone behind his back and he is still paying for the good US drugs to keep her going even though she rarely lives in the house.

Last year he was working in England on freezing building sites and gets a call from the missus to say she need money! It works out that her 25year old thai waste of space son had stolen bt40k from the house and had spent it.

After all that he has bought more land from the family who come across as nice people but at the end of the day he doesn't own a bean of it.

The stupid thing is he can't even move another bird in because all the neighbours are her family.

I would trust one as far as I could throw one, even if you got one who is naive she will be soon infected by her friends.

Fellows I'm back in the Land of the Free again for a brief visit and even being here for a few weeks has put me into a state of shock - its not unlike a tour of an abattoir. I forgot how bad it was!

I would like to apologize to anyone I ridiculed for their gullible behaviours with Thai girls. I think I understand now - coming fresh from this place I suppose anything seems better.

[QUOTE=Meepmeep99]
She is a total ***** and is now infected HIV so she was obviously fucking someone behind his back and he is still paying for the good US drugs to keep her going even though she rarely lives in the house.

[/QUOTE]


Then Dad should get himself tested too.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Fellows I'm back in the Land of the Free again for a brief visit and even being here for a few weeks has put me into a state of shock - its not unlike a tour of an abattoir. I forgot how bad it was!...[/QUOTE]
I'm also back in the USA for 2 whole weeks, and after the first day I started missing the LOS. Songkran doesn't even seem like such a bad thing to me now, though I chose this time to avoid it.

If it weren't for family, I'd never come here again.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]I'm also back in the USA for 2 whole weeks, and after the first day I started missing the LOS. Songkran doesn't even seem like such a bad thing to me now, though I chose this time to avoid it.

If it weren't for family, I'd never come here again.[/QUOTE]

Same here exactly. Only here because of songkran and family. And maybe it is good to remind ourselves a) how lucky we are, and b) how strenuously we should strive to avoid having to return to the horror of our origin.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]If it weren't for family, I'd never come here again.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Opebo]Same here exactly. Only here because of songkran and family. And maybe it is good to remind ourselves a) how lucky we are, and b) how strenuously we should strive to avoid having to return to the horror of our origin.[/QUOTE]A long time ago I used to have a t-shirt that had a kid with a flatop, flipping off and saying, "Quit yer whinin'". Still applies.

You are there. It's oppressive, it's a police state, the citizens are el bloato drones from some another planet. It's cold. It sucks. (Man oh man, except for family, it SUCKS.)

[b]OLTL*[/b], and you ain't in Thailand.

So? Hey! You ARE there! Do the shit you can't do anywhere else in the world!: Take a photography class in Yosemite. Kayak with alligators in Florida. Do the private horseback ride with local Indians down the Havasupai in the Grand Canyon. Snowboard Snowbird, Utah. Go tow in surfing at the Cortez Banks, California (or, for the extremely life-challenged: learn how to surf.) Take flying lessons or a parachute class (Yeah, you can do that almost anywhere now.) This is all easily obtainable totally ordinary stuff, but it's way COOL ordinary stuff! (DO NOT go to a casino, do not go fishing with your high school buddies, do not go to the local stripper bar, and do not go to McDonalds.)

Also, if you are pissed about not being to get some 'tang while you're there, all you have to do is go to any Asian massage place in the USA, they'll take care of you. Doesn't matter if you are in Pittsburgh, Spokane, Port Arthur or Algodones, they are there waiting for you.

Sitting around sniffling and waffling? Get away from the computer. Get away from the boring bullshit. Get your freakin ass out there and DO SOMETHING that you will remember for the rest of your lives. That's how you got to Thailand in the first place. RIGHT GUYS?

(*One Life to Live)

[QUOTE=Barko]...Get your freakin ass out there and DO SOMETHING...[/QUOTE]

Thank you for the pep talk, Barko. First thing tomorrow I will call the airline and try to move up my return date!

Honestly I am beginning to have nightmares that the airport will get closed again and I'll be stuck outside here.

There's always Kuala Lumpur or Phnom Penh A bus ride or train ride away. November I went to PP to get out (thru Singapore)

[QUOTE=Dinghy]There's always Kuala Lumpur or Phnom Penh A bus ride or train ride away. November I went to PP to get out (thru Singapore)[/QUOTE]
No No! Most of us want to get stuck in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]No No! Most of us want to get stuck in Thailand.[/QUOTE]

I agree, the Phuket airport closing, the Suvarnabhumi closing Nov / Dec were both a sexual god send for me... Even the passing of the Kings sister last Jan gave me extra time to explore and enjoy...

It's a shame I'm not due back for three more weeks as the protests are starting too early... Hopefully they will calm down then reogranize then start up with a flourish in a few more weeks ;)

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I agree, the Phuket airport closing, the Suvarnabhumi closing Nov / Dec were both a sexual god send for me... Even the passing of the Kings sister last Jan gave me extra time to explore and enjoy...

It's a shame I'm not due back for three more weeks as the protests are starting too early... Hopefully they will calm down then reogranize then start up with a flourish in a few more weeks ;)[/QUOTE]

I realize that guys on here have a common agenda. But, let's hope that the protests don't continue. Trust me. Enough damage has already been done that they'll be plenty of girls eagerly looking for any business they can get, as tourism all but dies.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I realize that guys on here have a common agenda. But, let's hope that the protests don't continue. Trust me. Enough damage has already been done that they'll be plenty of girls eagerly looking for any business they can get, as tourism all but dies.[/QUOTE]

Actually my agenda is not what you think. My work is greatly affected by the uprisings. However it is also a time to capitalize due to the unrest as others are pulling out and going away or not coming we are increasing our work inside the kingdom. Even our relationship with the government itself during all the turmoil over the past year or so has grown stronger.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I realize that guys on here have a common agenda. But, let's hope that the protests don't continue. Trust me. Enough damage has already been done that they'll be plenty of girls eagerly looking for any business they can get, as tourism all but dies.[/QUOTE]
I was only making a joke. Of course all these things are very bad for the Thai economy and even just for working people to get to work, is a big problem.
But many of us will come to Thailand anyway, with or without protests and even airport problems would not deter all of us.
This doesn't mean we see protests as desirable at all.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I realize that guys on here have a common agenda. But, let's hope that the protests don't continue. Trust me. Enough damage has already been done that they'll be plenty of girls eagerly looking for any business they can get, as [b]tourism all but dies[/b].[/QUOTE]

Yep, and these REd shirted idiots, with their actions, just did cost another thousand people (if not more) their jobs. People in the Tourism Business will face very difficult times now that most countries have issued warnings that Thailand was not safe. Some Airlines (Cathay Pacific at least) said that people who cancel their Thailand Flights would not incur any cancellation Fees.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Yep, and these REd shirted idiots, with their actions, just did cost another thousand people (if not more) their jobs. People in the Tourism Business will face very difficult times now that most countries have issued warnings that Thailand was not safe. Some Airlines (Cathay Pacific at least) said that people who cancel their Thailand Flights would not incur any cancellation Fees.[/QUOTE]
So what? Much less UK guys in their football shirts or singlets as there are only 50 Baht left in a Pound. Hardly any Americans to be seen as they already cancel trips when only the Prime minister let a farth. In the end it is much more choice for less money, in hotel rooms and girls! Life cannot be any better.

I really do not see the issue!

[QUOTE=Titanio]So what? Much less UK guys in their football shirts or singlets as there are only 50 Baht left in a Pound. Hardly any Americans to be seen as they already cancel trips when only the Prime minister let a farth. In the end it is much more choice for less money, in hotel rooms and girls! Life cannot be any better.

I really do not see the issue![/QUOTE]

You, mister, are a complete moron. Not even worth posting here. So what you say? thousands might lose their job again and all you think about is the choice you will get when you will come here to dip your small dick?

Grow up

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]You, mister, are a complete moron. Not even worth posting here. So what you say? thousands might lose their job again and all you think about is the choice you will get when you will come here to dip your small dick?

Grow up[/QUOTE]
Calm down Nic. Buddhist principals include not fretting over bad stuff that already happened and bad stuff that we have no control over, and each person doing the right thing without worrying about what every one else is doing.
But I'm not trying to get religious here. Just mentioning some useful ideas as I am not a religious person.

Mongers can proceed normally after Songkran. But not the best time to be really stingy.

Spend spend spend will help Thailand.
Think of all those girls, really desperate for sex (and money) after a long Songkran break. Those girls returning late to their bars or MPs, will face fines as well.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Think of all those girls, really desperate for sex (and money) after a long Songkran break.[/QUOTE]Uh oh. Do you have to out every secret here Mick? Hand holding is one thing, but man you gotta tell 'em everything?

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]Calm down Nic. [/QUOTE]

Either you missed his point or I missed it. From what I understand, the bloke was happy that less "Brits" would come to Thailand resulting in more Pussy choice for him.

These style of comments are apalling and Buddhism has nothing to do with it.

Spend spend spend, you say, but if people are not coming in the first place? and don't forget that Thailand's sex tourists are not the majority of Arrivals in the country.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Either you missed his point or I missed it. From what I understand, the bloke was happy that less "Brits" would come to Thailand resulting in more Pussy choice for him.

These style of comments are apalling and Buddhism has nothing to do with it.

Spend spend spend, you say, but if people are not coming in the first place? and don't forget that Thailand's sex tourists are not the majority of Arrivals in the country.[/QUOTE]
I am not so upset by his comments. He is writing on a sex forum, not for your average tourists. O.K. he is not interested in who will lose their jobs. He doesn't care if tourism is down. So what Nic? Maybe you know some people who will lose their jobs?

All we can do is promote Thailand as a fun place and not dangerous despite what the media blowups.

[QUOTE=Titanio]So what? Much less UK guys in their football shirts or singlets as there are only 50 Baht left in a Pound. Hardly any Americans to be seen as they already cancel trips when only the Prime minister let a farth. In the end it is much more choice for less money, in hotel rooms and girls! Life cannot be any better.

I really do not see the issue![/QUOTE]Call out the dumbshit squad, we got a live one.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]I am not so upset by his comments. He is writing on a sex forum, not for your average tourists. O. K. He is not interested in who will lose their jobs. He doesn't care if tourism is down. So what Nic? Maybe you know some people who will lose their jobs?

All we can do is promote Thailand as a fun place and not dangerous despite what the media blowups.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. Everybody should relax. Tourism will rebound for this Thailand is a too beautiful country. Mongers will also come to Thailand the question is just how much. IMHO Thailand is the place which offers the best bang for the buck. Prices are clearly regulated at least in the shops, you don't have to haggle and everything is pretty much standard and girls are in general of a decent standard. I also have been mongering in a couple of asian countries lately. And nothing beats Thailand, so far what I have experienced.

Bad thing currently is you have the economic crises. + the political crisis and nobody knows how it will play out in the end. It is a bit much. I know for a fact that business travels at certain foreign companies have been cancelled for the time being. And even that now everything is quiet again. It always takes a bit more time to come back to normal.

Does anyone know of a school called "The Bangkok College of Business Administration"? My TGF wants to attend this school and I was wondering if anyone knows about this school, does it exist, where is it located?

Is it a real school or one of those money for useless degree popup schools? Any other thoughts would be helpful.

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88]Does anyone know of a school called "The Bangkok College of Business Administration"? My TGF wants to attend this school and I was wondering if anyone knows about this school, does it exist, where is it located?

Is it a real school or one of those money for useless degree popup schools? Any other thoughts would be helpful.[/QUOTE]

You mean Bangkok College of Business Administration and Tourism on Liabkhlongsong?

[url]http://www.bcbat.ac.th/[/url]

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88]Does anyone know of a school called "The Bangkok College of Business Administration"? My TGF wants to attend this school and I was wondering if anyone knows about this school, does it exist, where is it located?

Is it a real school or one of those money for useless degree popup schools? Any other thoughts would be helpful.[/QUOTE]

I think it's more of a vocational school. I don't believe they give degrees. But, I could be wrong. However, it's pretty low down on the ladder, as far as schools go, which is saying something in a country where there aren't any really decent colleges or universities.

I recently went on my second trip to BKK, I stayed there something like 10 days.
The main purpose of my stay was girls, but I must say I became bored by the end of my trip.

In fact, I met 2 very different type of girls:

-Crazy BGs, had a lot of fun with some of them. But everytime it means heavy drinking and partying. I had a couple of entertaining nights but when you take them to MBK in the daylight you regret it a bit.

-Others girls met at various places (Semi-pros or Non-pros). They instantly call you their BF. It seems more socially acceptable to stroll the mall with them, but still they put you through a lot of bullshit.

I was looking for something in between those two types of girls, more casual and relaxed: I didn't reallly found. But maybe I was looking at the wrong place.

Anyway, I'm on my plane back home (France), and this cutie seats next to me. She says she comes to France to visit her sister who is married with a french man. She cuddled with me during the whole flight.

Now she calls me and wants to hang out.

I take this as a good opportunity to practice my thai.

But in the end, I feel bad, let me tell you why.

All the Thai girls I met (20 or so), once they see you are nice (I mean not a freak), they always get into romance.

For me, all this is going nowhere, since there is too much of a cultural gap between me and TGs to make any comitment, and it is really not what I'm looking for anyway.
They clearly have hopes for a better life.

So you know, I am going to screw her but I feel I am taking advantage of her in an unfair way.

Ever felt that way, guys?

The quote that follows was a response to the question, Why are White girls charging a lot more than the Asian girls in Vancouver?

How does Thailand compare to China in the posters' 4 points? It seems to me there is a lot of similarity.

[QUOTE]As a person of Chinese descent, here's my view:

First off, it's what we're used to. I don't know about South Korea, but for an SP to make $100 CDN in China, that is considered A LOT of money. In fact most SPs would have to spend the whole day with you and then some, just to make that kind of money. That's why they see places like Hong Kong and North America as lands of opportunity... they can pump out clients $120 per hour. So why not charge more? That leads to point two...

Point two: The Chinese mentality to business is "charge less, attract more clients." It's a numbers game, and the Chinese are just playing the numbers. From a business standpoint, there is no risk to charging less... someone is always looking for a better deal, so your clientele flow is steady. But there is a risk to charging more, which is you will definitely attract fewer clients. So why take a risk on something which you can directly control?

And Chinese consumers are always looking for the best deal... haven't you guys watched Russell Peters? If the Chinese consumer is not convinced he is getting the best deal, he will continue looking for what he considers is the best deal until he finds it. And China has a population of over 2 billion people, versus Canada which has about 33 million. 33 million? As of writing this, China has give birth to 33 million babies since January of this year! That means Canada's population is only about 1.5% of China's. Or to put it in another perspective, for every Canadian, there are 66 Chinese. The population keeps competition high, and therefore value low. Which leads to...

Point three: The sad truth is life in China is cheap... and by life, I don't just mean "quality of life", but life itself. Remember, China for the most part is still a third world nation, which means the poor are very poor, and there are a lot of them living in the countryside who feel they are getting shafted by the government. So most of them head to the big cities to look for work, and there are a lot! They mill about certain street corners, until some businessman comes along in a big truck, and goes, "You, you and you, come with me. I don't know who you are, I don't know your name, and I don't know your life story... nor do I care. This is what I pay. Hop in or I'll just find someone else." And as for girls working in prostitution, the real truth for many of them isn't because some human trafficker came along and kidnapped them away. The girls "willingly" enter prostitution because it's either their way out of the village, or they have some obligation to the family (parental medical bills and gambling debts are common, hence "willingly").

Point four: North Americans are brought up with the mentality, "You're worth it!"... even if the truth is you may not be. Chinese are brought up with the mentality, "You're not special", which sounds like a downer, but it does do one of two things... either it instills in you to work harder to prove that you are special, or you accept your lot in life and mill about your day... but you are not instilled with any false claims of worthiness.

Anyway, these are just some of my thoughts.[/QUOTE]

Where do the BGs go once they retire? Travelled to LOS a few times and often thaught where my part time girlfriends end up.

[QUOTE=] Redheaded Asians. Hmmm, that's a first.

My take on uniqueness. To be harsh and blunt, Asians come in one variety and one variety only. Black hair, black eyes. What's unique about that, when everyone has the same basic look? Compare that to caucasian women. You can have blonde hair, brown hair, black hair, red hair, strawberry hair. Blue eyes, brown eyes, green eyes, grey eyes, hazel eyes, etc. See where I'm going with this? [/QUOTE]If you had ever perused CL, let alone been to Bangkok or various other places in Asia, you'ld know that there are Asian ladies with hair colours other than black. From your previous comments I suspect you may not have even been aware that there are white skinned Asian women. In Bangkok it is quite easy to find a white skinned redhead, and even easier to find a redhead SP to bang.

Some of these Thai ladies, if I saw them walking in Vancouver and didn't know they were Asian, I could easily mistake them for Caucasians with a bit of a suntan:

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I find several of them quite attractive, & this one may be my fav:

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To me this Thai girl {TG} looks more Hispanic than Asian:

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As for eye colour, that rates near the bottom of the list of physical attributes that I look for in a woman. Even when it cums to the eye itself, that is not what I'd consider most important.

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[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]The link originally included with this report was to a photo on another website, and thus it was deleted in accordance with the Forum's Photo Guidelines prohibiting links to photos on other websites. If you have photos you wish to share with the Forum Members, then please post them here. Please read the Forum's Photo Guidelines for further information. [i]Thank You.[/i][/blue][/size][/QUOTE]My apologies. Here it is without a link.

Previously mentioned photos were from:

http hotthaigirls dot com forward slash 2007 forward slash 09 forward slash miss-maxim-thailand-2007 dot html

The one that to me looked more Hispanic than Asian was number 9.

The one that may be may fav for being most attractive was the 7th from the top.

[QUOTE=Neil Flanders]Anyway, I'm on my plane back home (France), and this cutie seats next to me. She says she comes to France to visit her sister who is married with a french man. She cuddled with me during the whole flight.

Now she calls me and wants to hang out.

I take this as a good opportunity to practice my thai.

But in the end, I feel bad, let me tell you why.

All the Thai girls I met (20 or so), once they see you are nice (I mean not a freak), they always get into romance.

For me, all this is going nowhere, since there is too much of a cultural gap between me and TGs to make any comitment, and it is really not what I'm looking for anyway.
They clearly have hopes for a better life.

So you know, I am going to screw her but I feel I am taking advantage of her in an unfair way.

Ever felt that way, guys?[/QUOTE]Of course, many times, but you must realize that they are having a good time with you (I hope), that you treat them well, maybe spoil them a little etc, . That's what I do anyway.

So they always hope for more, and will likely be disappointed and sad when it's over, but at least they get a nice experience, maybe learn english nitnoy, get some presents, pocket (or more) money for school/ family. Etc. And of course they have quite a few other options to fall back on. Just in case!

So don't feel too bad about it. I know I do however, but them it fades away.

And by the way, I would very much like to practice my passa-thai with your new acquaintance in Paris too!

That way she gets another option when you get tired of her, or when she starts talking commitment BS. It's clearly a win win win situation, isn't it?

As I said before I am a middle aged man . and I am tired from the p4p seen in Thailand and since I have some extra time to make all the preparation I find many pretty young non pro girl that looking for Farang husbands and willing to do any thing to make you love them. This is a first time I chat with 20 year old that claims to be Virgin,following is the copy of our first conversation.



me----hi
her---are you hapant
her---hello
her---hi
me---why you closed
her---sorry my internet not good sometime
)me---: u internet shop now
her---i take internet from bloothoot
her---no i am home
me---oh u have web cam
): her---not have now
me---so i asked u if u like me
her---but i think i will buy new 1 for next mont because i have money from work
her---i like to talk with you
her---we can meet for know more
me---u can come to Bangkok
her---yes but why you not come to meet me in Udonthani
me---because i come for buisnes and i have many meetings in the day
her---yes i understand you
me---not possible for me to go first time
me---maybe later if have time
her---not worry i will go to meet you in bkk
me--- you have familly in bangkok or you stay with me??
her--- what do you want
me---i like if stay with me we have more time to know each other
her---yes up to you
her---i hope you not play game
me--- what game
her--- i am seriuos
me--- me to i think u very good girl
her---thank you than i hope you will like me
me---only we have to see if we can talk together
her---yes
me--- you think you can have sex with me??
her---why?
me---because if we want to stay together boy friend girl friend have to know about se.
me---): also you tell me you virgin
her---yes very thing must from in sind
me--- is truth or noth
her---yes not worry
me---you can send me email and also for msn email is ................
her----are you can add me?

[QUOTE=Daddy07 – (3/31/09)]About a month ago, I learned from her close friend that a very lovely 24 year old Thai go-go girl, who used to be one of my regulars, found an American farang, flew to California with him, and got married there.

At first I felt happy for her because I knew that was exactly what she was looking for, but on second thought, I also knew her quite well, and guessed that I would be seeing her again sooner or later. I had told her more than once that she wouldn’t like the US, as she is a poor Isaan girl through and through who would feel like a fish out of water outside the LOS.

Sure enough, last night the friend told me that my girl is at home back in Thailand, the short marriage apparently didn’t work out, and she’ll be coming back to work in the bar soon.

I can hardly wait to hear her story.[/QUOTE]

Last night I walked into the bar where I had met her three years ago on my first visit to Thailand. She was my very first Thai girl infatuation. Mamasan approached me with a wide smile on her face, her hand pointing up toward the stage. I turned to look up. There she was!

What a lovely sight. Dancing and smiling down at me, she looked as beautiful as ever. I knew this moment would come and had waited for it patiently with great anticipation. Soon she was sitting beside me sipping her lady drink and massaging my thighs. Several other girls had also gathered around the happy reunion, (no doubt looking for lady drinks which were not forthcoming, though I did tip one of my other favorites 50 baht).

She had returned to Pattaya only two weeks ago from Isaan, she told me, having worked three days at Peppermint, two days at Super Baby, two days at Airport, and another three days at Shark, before returning to this bar four days ago in order to “be with my friends.” Friends are far more important to her than the prospect of paying customers. “I don’t like those other bars,” she explained, “because I have no friend there.”

I resolved to bar fine her saying I wanted to hear her complete story, and she happily agreed to tell me all. Off we went down Walking Street, first to visit her good friend at Heaven Above, (the one who had confided the situation to me), where I bought them drinks as they sat yakking like two magpies together for an hour. Then it was on to Shark where there was more drinking and more yakking until I was quite tired, full, and ready to go. We stopped at a street stand where she bought some Isaan vegetables with sauce and then rode the motorbike to my condo on Jomtien Beach.

“I was lonely,” she confessed when I finally asked her what had happened. Some time ago, while working in her bar, she had found a sponsor, a 54 year old man from America, who was sending her upwards of 40K baht per month, which she used to well support her mama, papa and baby sister. The guy came back to Thailand, asked her to marry him, and the happy couple tied the knot in Isaan, much to the delight of her fawning parents who stood much to gain by the arrangement. He didn’t like Pattaya and had family and business in Los Angeles California, so off they flew to live in the States.

The honeymoon lasted all of two months. She became desperately lonely and unhappy in America. Her husband had 4 children, all near her own age, and two of them living at home looking to him for support for their lifestyle and education. She had no friends in the USA and only two Thai television channels to watch on a home satellite dish. She could buy Thai food at a nearby Thai market and cook it for herself. She hated farang food. Her husband left her alone in the house everyday to tend to his business. She had little to do; could not drive a car, and had no means to get out of the house or meet people for society and conversation.

Then the economic crisis in the US adversely affected his business, his health was failing, and money became scarce. Eventually, she begged him to let her go back to Thailand, and he relented. Back she came to Isaan, her home and family. He promised to continue sending her money but couldn’t keep his word. She tried to call him but he soon wouldn’t answer his phone.

All throughout her sorry tale of woe she had not one bad word to say about her husband, nor did she cry a tear or whine about her plight. She was simply relieved and happy to be back in Thailand with her family and friends. And, now she’s back at her old bar out of financial necessity to make enough money to support her family. She doesn’t like being a bar girl but takes it all in stride. She’s a real sweetheart! I told her how sorry I am for her.

Then she took care of me in her usual manner and was off into the night as I went to sleep. She can count on me again from time to time to contribute a little for her support. It’s the least I can do.

We often don’t appreciate what we have until it is lost. LBFMs are something like that. They take it in the mouth for us. Many of them take it up the ass for us. They rim our ass for us and kiss us on the cheek before moving on to the next guy. And yet we are unhappy and look for faults with these little rice guzzlers.

Contrast that with a recent Chamber of Horrors experience of mine which could, in fairness, be posted in several sections. I hired a bbb lady. When she unrobed, it was looking at an ocean of blubber. She then proceeded to swig cheap white wine to “get in the mood”, as she called it. Then she produced a box of mint chocolates, placed it on her mammary glands and started wolfing them down something like the wolf did when it was in the bed of Little Red Riding Hood’s granny. At some point, she doused me with lotion. When I started to drop the paw on her, she told me she had a dick. She was so fat I didn’t know whether to believe her or not. On balance, I figured she was a woman and that that was her little joke or a further attempt to dampen my fire.

The best thing about the whole affair was the second skin flik she put on. This consisted of a short skirted Asian lady performing fellatio etc on a big black stud. The Asian knew her place, swallowed, spread her [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] flaps and her butt cheeks as the occasion demanded. My fat friend, in contrast, gave me far and away the worst sexual p4p experience of my life. For the first time in my life, I had to keep focused on the flik and not the job in hand.

The moral of this story? Count our blessings. We have been blessed with an abundance of LBFMs to use and abuse as we see fit. These creatures will perform any service we want for a pittance. Their competitors, in the main, would, if my fat friend was anything to go by, be more at home in horror movies than wrapped around our private parts.

They say, once you go black, you never go back. I, at least, will never go back to black. If she is anything to go by, no wonder our black brothers prefer white pussy. For me and for many others, there is nothing as comforting as the snug fit of a moist yellow pussy with modest miles on the clock. Certainly, if I were to give out performance medals, LBFMs would take the lion’s share of them. Until white and black women relearn the respect the male phallus deserves, I will continue to tunnel away in yellow beaver and I would expect all fair minded men to do the same.

PS: Thank you Daddy for that excellent report. I always like stories with a happy ending.

On the Thai Channel 9 News tonight (I saw via internet).

A Thai man is in hospital covered by a sheet hiding his face and most of his body but he is not dead.
Seems his wife and daughter went up country (Isaan) for 10 days. He got a bit horny and had a young girl come to the house. Wife came home unexpectly and caught them.
But she bided her time.

One night he was absolutely out of it (drunk) and sleeping. She sharpened the appropriate cleaver and grabbing his cock had it cut off with one stroke. He woke not knowing what was happening but finding his cock replaced by pool of blood. She was already gone.
He went searching but was unable to locate his missing member and she wouldn't tell what happened to it.
Couldn't quite tell if he lost the eggs too.

He could now be contemplating becoming a lady boy ;)

This could be no laughing matter for one of us one day. :eek:

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]
She sharpened the appropriate cleaver and grabbing his cock had it cut off with one stroke. [/QUOTE]
These stories have been told many times, and IIRC, only in Thailand.

Does anyone know if this is a common occurence in any other country?

[QUOTE=1Ball]These stories have been told many times, and IIRC, only in Thailand.

Does anyone know if this is a common occurence in any other country?[/QUOTE]Excellent question. Google gave me this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_removal[/url] but I have yet to see anywhere elsewhere it is so widespread. I have had LBFMs joke to me they would cut off my tool. Not funny in my case but I did get a chuckle from Soap Fan's report. Maybe there is a snowball effect as the cock cutting gets a lot of publicity in the local press.

It sure is funny - from a distance.

[QUOTE=1Ball]These stories have been told many times, and IIRC, only in Thailand.

Does anyone know if this is a common occurence in any other country?[/QUOTE]

Well, I remember what Lorena Bobitt [sp?] did to her husband many, many years ago. Fortunately, for Mr. B., the police located the member, and the hospital was able to reattach the same.

[QUOTE=1Ball]Does anyone know if this is a common occurence in any other country?[/QUOTE]

Yes my long lost brother, in my country there are be-headings of both heads. One real head got cut off last week and on little head went off about three weeks ago.

But we have long been a place of machetes without guns per see. So knife attacks are common place. Be-headings of the larger head are actually more common.

These are some of the things we don't put in our visitors information :D

[QUOTE=Daddy07]All throughout her sorry tale of woe she had not one bad word to say about her husband, nor did she cry a tear or whine about her plight. She was simply relieved and happy to be back in Thailand with her family and friends. And, now she’s back at her old bar out of financial necessity to make enough money to support her family. She doesn’t like being a bar girl but takes it all in stride. She’s a real sweetheart! I told her how sorry I am for her.[/QUOTE]Interesting to hear the end of the history. This girls really don't seem to be able to advance, get a new life, a new work and move on. Pretty sad for them.

Anyway, what has impressed me more is how you talk about her. She has been receiving a lot of money for thai standards from this man, if anything her bussiness have been rocking this last months or whatever this relationship lasted.

Many Thai women I have been around including my wife has mentioned something like this.. The key I guess is to never do it in front of them which is the impression I get from the Thai. It is saving face for them.

Just the other day, I was at Carrefour minding my own business on the escalator when all of a sudden this Thai women rush passed me and starting punching and smacking this Farang that was in front of me. She was screaming and punching him knocking his glasses off. I pretty much put it together that he was being a butterfly cause the other women was right next to him and she took off as there was no tommorow. In the end, he was sitting outside the parking lot while she was laying it into him like there was no tomorrow, crying, etc... and I have to give the Farang credit! he just sat there and took it all in while everyone was staring and laughing. Maybe this is the same guy! When he went home and fell asleep she got even!

LBM

[QUOTE=1Ball]These stories have been told many times, and IIRC, only in Thailand.

Does anyone know if this is a common occurence in any other country?[/QUOTE]
The Swedes have been known to do it to themselves. Check out the video.
[url]http://www.uselessjunk.com/article_full.php?id=12689[/url]


Other documented cases of penis chopping:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_removal#Documented_cases[/url]

Apologies regarding my previous question.Read the last 12 months of info about thai woman as well as Private Dancer.It scared the shit out of me.

I am right now planning what will be my third trip to BKK.

And since I became kind of fed up with the P4P girls during my last visit, I'm doing some research on Thailovelinks.

I found a few cuties, we did video-conferences.

They seem a bit more educated than the typical bargirl, they basically are middle-class workers (receptionnist, sales woman.)

But I wanted to ask you guys some advice on this.

I have never been BFing regular Thai girls before, and I heard that their shy smile can sometimes hide a pretty psychopatic behaviour.

I don't want to get my penis chopped up while I'm on holiday, that would ruin it all.

But on the other side, I'm sick of bargirls who won't go to Paragon.

The food court is so nice there (especially that japanese restaurant where they do charcoal grilled fish).

Thanks again for the replies to my post of April 4 when I asked for advice. I have just posted a report in the Pattaya thread if you're interested to see how it turned out.

[quote=neil flanders]i am right now planning what will be my third trip to bkk.

and since i became kind of fed up with the p4p girls during my last visit, i'm doing some research on thailovelinks.

i found a few cuties, we did video-conferences.

they seem a bit more educated than the typical bargirl, they basically are middle-class workers (receptionnist, sales woman.)

but i wanted to ask you guys some advice on this.

i have never been bfing regular thai girls before, and i heard that their shy smile can sometimes hide a pretty psychopatic behaviour.

i don't want to get my penis chopped up while i'm on holiday, that would ruin it all.

but on the other side, i'm sick of bargirls who won't go to paragon.

the food court is so nice there (especially that japanese restaurant where they do charcoal grilled fish).[/quote]

first of all, you shouldn't want to take a bargirl to paragon, anyway. she doesn't belong there, would stick out like a sore thumb and feel incredibly out-of-place and uncomfortable. and, you would look like a knob, as well for taking her there. ditto for emporium. i went to see "the international' at emporium on sunday and the film was chock a block full of farang geezers, acting like love-struck, first-date romantics with their rent-a-humps. guys like this are perpetually in a fog when it comes to understanding what these girls really want to do. except for me and all these "loving" couples, the theatre was practically empty. why? because the film is far too serious and requires far too much thought for even educated thais. films like this wither on the vine here. thais prefer mindless comedies, and cartoons. therefore, on exiting the film, as expected, i saw a lot of glum, bored-off-their-faces bar tarts dying to get away from these clueless gits, yammering at them in english, while all the while, these girls longed for a thai soap opera, a plate of som tam, sticky rice and kai yang and a good chin-wag in isaan with their mates.


thailovelinks:

having had considerable experience with thailovelinks over the last 6 years, my first and best advice is not to get your hopes up and most certainly not to believe everything these girls tell you. it's true that at one time you might have found attractive, middle-class and even higher women on there. but, those days are generally gone. i'd say that the quality both in looks and class of these girls has dropped drastically over the last 2-3 years. most of these girls are definitely not middle-class, but much lower. it's true that many seem to have some sort of job, including office worker or shopgirl, but at the most basic level. that isn't middle-class in thailand. few truly middle-class girls would actually go on a site like this, now because they would be perceived in a very negative light, if found out. tll has a bad rep, these days. in any case, it's highly unlikely that a solidly, middle-class thai girl is going to hook up with a farang on holiday, unless he's an adonis and willing to take her somewhere a little more substantial than the food court at paragon.

i'm always skeptical of the education the girls on tll claim to have. they know that farang are generally better educated than thais and therefore think that putting this on their profile adds to their own desirability. but, if you scrape the surface, many generally have some sort of mediocre vocational college education or less, at best. p4p girls discovered online dating sites, particularly thailovelinks, and began joining with a vengeance a few years ago. upcountry villages have an english-speaking broker "mamasan" who for a fee chats on behalf of the girls, most of whom have rudimentary english skills at best. the girl might be on the webcam, but may not be doing the typing.

also, more than a few of these girls are p4p in one form or another, even if they try to disguise it. discussions of money often enter the "relationship" at some point or other. i was still active on tll up until december, until i got fed up with the low quality. the last 4 girls i met all wanted money and were willing to shag to get it. all, except one were ugly, desperate dogs. i did end up shagging the last one, because she was a reasonably cute 20 y.o. student from ramkhamhaeng u. and was very up front about "needing help" for school. i saw it as nothing more than another form of p4p, even if she deluded herself, that the money i gave her wasn't connected to the sex, but was just my being "jai dee" for helping her with her school fees.

the "unkindest cut"...

it is true that thai girls are often psycho, when they feel that they've been slighted in one of a thousand mysterious ways. but, i doubt that most would cut off your dick. i've never heard of this happening to any farang. while there are certainly incidents of it in the general population in thailand, i think the frequency is subject to gross exaggeration bordering on urban myth. there are lots of jokes about it. but, i think in most cases, that's as far as it goes.

if you don't have unrealistic expectations about tll, you may have some fun and find someone to eat japanese food with at paragon. although, to tell you the truth, if you really like japanese food, there are many far better, more authentic and cheaper japanese restaurants around.

btw...imo, the food court at paragon is a mess, noisy, overcrowded and overpriced. the more upmarket food hall on the 5th floor of mbk, or better yet, the one on the top floor of central chidlom are a better bet, if you like having a choice of food in one locale. the food and the ambience are a lot better, especially at central chidlom, where you often have the added bonus of some a-list thai actress and model eye-candy.

Dear OTH,

I would like to thank you for all your wise advices on how to handle thai girls.
TLL is not so great, you are definitely right.

But when you say I should not take a bargirl to Paragon, it does not make much sense to me.

Coming from a socialist culture (France), I have trouble understanding why a bargirl can feel un-at-ease at Paragon. After all it's a mall and whatever your social status is, you are a customer.

In general, I am very uncomfortable with the way rich thai people look at people from lower classes.

There are big social gaps in my country too, but rich people do not despise poor people the way they do in Thailand.

This always pissed me off.

Thanks for you restaurant recommandations, I'll try them on my next trip!

[quote=old thai hand]i went to see "the international' at emporium on sunday and the film was chock a block full of farang geezers, acting like love-struck, first-date romantics with their rent-a-humps. [/quote]

hahahahahahaha... this is so funny because i often go to the movies and see exactly the same thing :d


[quote]btw...imo, the food court at paragon is a mess, noisy, overcrowded and overpriced. the more upmarket food hall on the 5th floor of mbk, or better yet, the one on the top floor of central chidlom are a better bet, if you like having a choice of food in one locale. the food and the ambience are a lot better, especially at central chidlom, where you often have the added bonus of some a-list thai actress and model eye-candy.[/quote]

we agree here. food courts at paragon (and emporium) are a disgrace in my opinion: expensive and tasteless food. that's basically all the little shops you would find in a thai foodcourt, minus the taste and double the price.

as far as food courts go, yes, the food lofts (central chidlom or central world) are good bets. some restaurants at central world are also very decent.

the only place i would consider eating at paragon is tony romas because their ribs aren't bad at all (almost as good as great american rib company soi 36).
forget the pseudo italian restaurants who serve you dry pasta with tasteless sauces, viavai sukh soi 8 is a nice place (especially good after a bj @ [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]) :d

It is strange that a person would be alienated from a temple to crass materialism (a mall) just because she was a prostitute. One would think that this would make her the perfect denizen!

[QUOTE=Opebo]It is strange that a person would be alienated from a temple to crass materialism (a mall) just because she was a prostitute. One would think that this would make her the perfect denizen![/QUOTE]

In my case, it's not the lady that amuses me but more the Farang who is (as OTH so adequately described) "acting like love-struck, first-date romantics".

[QUOTE=Neil Flanders]
But when you say I should not take a bargirl to Paragon, it does not make much sense to me.

Coming from a socialist culture (France), I have trouble understanding why a bargirl can feel un-at-ease at Paragon. After all it's a mall and whatever your social status is, you are a customer.[/QUOTE]

There are malls (Central Ladprao, The Mall Bangkapi, The Mall Bangkae, The Mall Ramkhamhaeng, Seacon Square) and then there is Paragon and Emporium - as different as night and day.

It is a class thing, to be sure. Look at the clientele of both Paragon and Emporium, then look at your average BG. See the difference? She's immediately marked as undesirable by her skin colour, facial features, clothes, and demeanor, and she knows it. It's not her milieu. Put her in a typical Thai street market, where she can buy clothes for 99 baht and somtam for 20 and she's as happy as a pig in shit.

This isn't exclusive to Thailand. How many African-Americans from the projects in southside Chicago are welcome in the shops on the Golden Mile of Michigan Ave. or from South Central LA, on Rodeo Drive?
How many Sicilian fishermen would feel comfortable if suddenly thrust among the glitterati on Via Monte Napoleone in Milan?

Thailand is a patriarchal, hierarchical, feudal society. "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" would be completely lost on most Thais.

There is a stunning show girl at one of the Walking Street Go-go bars with whom I’ve developed a friendly relationship. I won’t bar fine her because she wants too much for her services, and she also confided to me once that she doesn’t much like sex. Never-the-less, I often buy her a lady drink from time to time and enjoy talking to her about this and that.

A month had gone by since I had last seen her, and I was wondering if she found a sponsor, left the bar, and got married, but there she was on the stage last night weiing me with a big smile on her face and an even bigger set of tits on her chest then she ever had before.

Of course, I noticed her new acquisitions immediately. This girl has always sported rather large silicone enhancements, (which I don’t particularly like), but her new breasts are positively huge.

After her set, she came bouncing over to me wondering if I thought she looked any different. I told her “yes,” I sure did. She chuckled while I complimented her on her appearance, and squeezed the luscious new globes, which felt quite real by the way, and I told her so. I then asked her why she did it as I thought her old pair of tits were plenty large enough and beautiful too. “No they weren’t,” she said, “and I didn’t like the shape either,” she explained.

Well, I could hardly agree, because I don’t like fake boobs – especially the big ones -- but resisted the urge to tell her so. Instead I raved about them and she seemed very pleased.

“How much did they cost you?” I finally asked. “Sixty-two thousand baht,” she retorted.

“Oh, my!,” I exclaimed, “but they certainly are lovely, honey.”

Bar girls are crazy! I love ‘em though.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]There are malls (Central Ladprao, The Mall Bangkapi, The Mall Bangkae, The Mall Ramkhamhaeng, Seacon Square) and then there is Paragon and Emporium - as different as night and day.

It is a class thing, to be sure. Look at the clientele of both Paragon and Emporium, then look at your average BG. See the difference? She's immediately marked as undesirable by her skin colour, facial features, clothes, and demeanor, and she knows it. It's not her milieu. Put her in a typical Thai street market, where she can buy clothes for 99 baht and somtam for 20 and she's as happy as a pig in shit.

This isn't exclusive to Thailand. How many African-Americans from the projects in southside Chicago are welcome in the shops on the Golden Mile of Michigan Ave. or from South Central LA, on Rodeo Drive?
How many Sicilian fishermen would feel comfortable if suddenly thrust among the glitterati on Via Monte Napoleone in Milan?

Thailand is a patriarchal, hierarchical, feudal society. "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" would be completely lost on most Thais.[/QUOTE]
I concur... On my first visit to BKK, I made the mistake of taking a nice, older (in her 30's) Isaan honey to the Emporium. Yes she was a bargirl, but not dressed like one that night. She was dressed and made up like a professional office worker, but she still got the "what are you doing here?" stares. The honey was game, we went to dinner at one of the nicer places in the food court upstairs, but the waitress could not be bothered to give us the time of day even though the place was only a third full. I had to complain to the manager to have another waiter assigned to my table.

[QUOTE=Finrod]I concur... On my first visit to BKK, I made the mistake of taking a nice, older (in her 30's) Isaan honey to the Emporium. Yes she was a bargirl, but not dressed like one that night. She was dressed and made up like a professional office worker, but she still got the "what are you doing here?" stares. The honey was game, we went to dinner at one of the nicer places in the food court upstairs, but the waitress could not be bothered to give us the time of day even though the place was only a third full. I had to complain to the manager to have another waiter assigned to my table.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't put all the blame on your honey(especially if she was dressed nicely). Thais will size you up too!

I disagree.

You should take them anywhere, the poor debt ridden scum that make up the majority of Thai "middle class" need to be shown that their pathetic lives of snivelling up to the Hi-So, borrowing money like crazy to buy the latest fashions, borrowing money to buy expensive cars. Means very little.

I thoroughly enjoy wearing a pair of shorts and a T-shirt around Paragon and Emporium and the other places, safe in my own personal knowledge that I have a damn site more money and wealth than 99% of the people in there.

In fact I make it a must do to wear really "touristy stuff" when making big purchases. Nothing like just saying "I want one of them and here is the cash" and watch the other people in the shop look in awe as they waddle around window shopping and trying to look "rich" by being at the shopping mall.

The best way to enjoy Thailand is to stick your middle finger up at their class system and just do what you want, when you want and how you want.

Be crass.

If you think someone is ignoring you, create a stink about it (but with a smile on your face). Throw a 500 baht note at them and ask them if its money that drives them here is their biggest tip of the year. Insult the monetary system.

At the end of the day the whole system revolves around money, and if you have it you can dress how you want, do what you and take whoever you want wherever you want. Cause when Thai's know you have money, they will be bend over backwards to kiss your ass.

So enjoy Thailand and stick your middle finger up to the "pretend" rich middle class.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]There are malls (Central Ladprao, The Mall Bangkapi, The Mall Bangkae, The Mall Ramkhamhaeng, Seacon Square) and then there is Paragon and Emporium - as different as night and day.

It is a class thing, to be sure. Look at the clientele of both Paragon and Emporium, then look at your average BG. See the difference? She's immediately marked as undesirable by her skin colour, facial features, clothes, and demeanor, and she knows it. It's not her milieu. Put her in a typical Thai street market, where she can buy clothes for 99 baht and somtam for 20 and she's as happy as a pig in shit.

This isn't exclusive to Thailand. How many African-Americans from the projects in southside Chicago are welcome in the shops on the Golden Mile of Michigan Ave. or from South Central LA, on Rodeo Drive?
How many Sicilian fishermen would feel comfortable if suddenly thrust among the glitterati on Via Monte Napoleone in Milan?

Thailand is a patriarchal, hierarchical, feudal society. "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" would be completely lost on most Thais.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]"Liberté, égalité, fraternité" would be completely lost on most Thais.[/QUOTE]

It is also lost on the French... trust me :(

[quote=finrod]i concur... on my first visit to bkk, i made the mistake of taking a nice, older (in her 30's) isaan honey to the emporium. yes she was a bargirl, but not dressed like one that night. she was dressed and made up like a professional office worker, but she still got the "what are you doing here?" stares. the honey was game, we went to dinner at one of the nicer places in the food court upstairs, but the waitress could not be bothered to give us the time of day even though the place was only a third full. i had to complain to the manager to have another waiter assigned to my table.[/quote]

i bet she looked like an isaan girl, though, didn't she? dark skin? flat wide nose? listen, you could have draped her in dior and she would have been treated the same. i'm sure the waitress considered herself above your girl in status, and therefore wouldn't lower herself to wait on her.

emporium (like paragon) is a bastion of upper-class, white-skinned thais. if your date didn't look like them, she wasn't welcome, pure and simple.

one of the major topics of conversations and a great source of puzzlement with thais concerning farang seems to always focus on what they consider farang men's bad taste in women and especially a preference for dark-skinned isaan girls, which are considered ugly and at the bottom of the barrel, by thai standards. they also question why even young, good-looking farang guys here often prefer such ugly women.
a very hot, white-skinned thai student i know who's going to the states to study lamented she'd probably never get a date while there because she doesn't have dark skin and "look like an ugly isaan girl" and therefore nobody would like her. such is the perception here.

geez, haven't we had variations on this discussion a thousand times before?

why do many farang, especially visitors continue to try to fly in the face of thai social convention, as revolting as it may be to us, by traipsing their dates around in-appropriate venues where they are not welcome?

some on here in the past have expressed a perverse desire to stick it to snooty thai shop keepers and wait staff at places like emporium by forcing them to wait on their rent-a-hos. all one ends up doing in such a situation is making everyone feel uncomfortable. while farang may not agree with the many unsaviory aspects of thai culture, such as classism and racism, it is their culture, for better or worse. the farang, especially those who get so bent out of shape over this type of thing are largely visitors who don't really understand how to deal with the culture.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Why do many Farang, especially visitors continue to try to fly in the face of Thai social convention, as revolting as it may be to us, by traipsing their dates around in-appropriate venues where they are not welcome?[/QUOTE]

Because they like shopping there?

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]While Farang may not agree with the many unsaviory aspects of Thai culture, such as classism and racism, it is their culture, for better or worse. The Farang, especially those who get so bent out of shape over this type of thing are largely visitors who don't really understand how to deal with the culture.[/QUOTE]I'm a well-educated, 50ish, bald, fat white guy from North America (sound familiar?) I've traveled extensively in SE Asia with my Thai girlfriend from Kabinburi (which is in a province south of Isaan). With her generic pretty Asian country girl looks (darkish skin color, nose, smile), she easily passes for Vietnamese, Malay, Khmer, Indonesian, Lao, etc. Often times people will speak to her in their local language thinking she is one of their own. In Laos, it was great because she does speak Isaan, which is very close to Laotian, and we traveled [i]like locals[/i]. Everywhere we've gone she makes friends and people genuinely like her.

The only place where I felt a little uncomfortable was in Hanoi. I noticed lots of looks and sideways glances our way while strolling around. Hanoi is close to China, isn't it? Funny thing, in Macau I didn't notice a thing.

Recently, we saw a movie at Siam Paragon and stopped for dinner at the very busy ground level food court. I did not sense any animosity from anyone toward my girl. Granted, I was not paying that much attention to other folks in the shopping center. Why would I? And, go figure(?), the Yakisoba noodles were not all that bad for 65 baht.

So what I am thinking, (in the Rocky Mtn. redneck side of my brain), as I write this is: [i]Who gives a street rat's arse about what stuck-up, white skinned, Mercedes driving, Bangkok Thai-Chinese think anyway?[/i] They are only one sub-group in a very diverse country of many cultural origins.

I sure as hell don't, and I go everywhere in Bangkok and enjoy myself with my girl (if she wants to come along). Mainly, I don't get bent out of shape when I come into contact with ethnic-social ignorance, and that is how I deal with different cultures just fine. ;)

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I bet she looked like an Isaan girl, though, didn't she? Dark skin? flat wide nose? [/QUOTE]
All bigots and antagonists, take note, this is an example of how to promote your own clandestine ajenda under the guise of explainining Thai bigotry. Would it have made a difference if the Falang had a Thai tan/light/white skin girl on his arm? They would all get the same treatment so what’s with the emphasis on such bigoted descriptive? It may or may not be true but Thai women seen with falangs are generally thought to be from the P4P industry.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
Geez, haven't we had variations on this discussion a thousand times before?[/QUOTE]
Yes but this gets you excited no, the thought of having to explain it again? I mean you get in your cheap shots more subtly this way.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
Why do many Farang, especially visitors continue to try to fly in the face of Thai social convention, as revolting as it may be to us, by traipsing their dates around in-appropriate venues where they are not welcome?.[/QUOTE]
Do you adhere to all Thai Societal norms, if no why not? If we all only went to places we were welcome to many of would not even be in Thailand
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
Some on here in the past have expressed a perverse desire to stick it to snooty Thai shop keepers and wait staff at places like Emporium by forcing them to wait on their rent-a-hos. All one ends up doing in such a situation is making everyone feel uncomfortable..[/QUOTE]
You got this? A group of people have decided that they will make you feel uncomfortable, not because you broke the law but because of your skin color, you facial features, your national origin and the fact that you are with a Falang and in return you must do your best to not make them feel uncomfortable. Yeah Right!:eek: :confused:

If a visitor and his companion entered a public mall, as long as they are not breaking any laws and conducting themselves in a dignified manner, they have every right to and they should. Snobs will be snobs regardless of what you do. If they think you are below them, they won't think any better of you if you stay out of what they consider to be their turf. The people who make a difference in this world are the ones who have the courage to take on the absurdity of society, not the ones who cowardly complies but then again maybe that is one of the reasons this country is where it is in terms of its world status and humanities development.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
The Farang, especially those who get so bent out of shape over this type of thing are largely visitors who don't really understand how to deal with the culture. [/QUOTE]
You sure sound like you are as bend out of shape as the Thai elitist snobs by the Falang and his date who dare not to comply with their unofficial unenforceable proclamations. While I would never advocate entering relationship with P4P girls or even walk around with them, I certainly don’t have the same disdain for them you and some others do and am not offended by the presence of any visitor with his P4P date.

You have to be careful with Karma though, there may come a time when the same Thai elites (and maybe you) who are offended by the mere presence of the low class Thai woman may find themselves in a medical emergency (need a kidney, need blood, need mouth to mouth) and the only person readily available to render assistance is …yeah, you got it, the low class BG.

Is there a "Racism against Isaan dark skinned flat nosed rent a ho" thread here? if yes, I apologize for not posting in the appropriate thread.

What would the elitist Hi - So Chinese Thai "nose in the air" (for no apparent reason, considering she isn't quite Thai, and also not quite Chinese, so I guess mongrel would be a better term) do, if she needed a kidney transplant, and after searching the donor list, found the only match was indeed the " Isaan dark skinned flat nosed rent a ho " do? Gratefully accept the kidney, or whither away, with her nose still in the air?

Me thinks she would grab that kidney, so she can continue to look down on the likes of the nice person who saved her life.

People always talk about Thai culture. I have found more culture in yogurt.

My GF in Bali is fairly dark skinned, as some of you who have met her will attest to. I keep trying to rub olive oil on her when we go to the beach. The darker, the better. Guess that makes me a tourist.

[QUOTE=1Ball]Is there a "Racism against Isaan dark skinned flat nosed rent a ho" thread here? if yes, I apologize for not posting in the appropriate thread.

What would the elitist Hi - So Chinese Thai "nose in the air" (for no apparent reason, considering she isn't quite Thai, and also not quite Chinese, so I guess mongrel would be a better term) do, if she needed a kidney transplant, and after searching the donor list, found the only match was indeed the " Isaan dark skinned flat nosed rent a ho " do? Gratefully accept the kidney, or whither away, with her nose still in the air?

Me thinks she would grab that kidney, so she can continue to look down on the likes of the nice person who saved her life.

People always talk about Thai culture. I have found more culture in yogurt.

My GF in Bali is fairly dark skinned, as some of you who have met her will attest to. I keep trying to rub olive oil on her when we go to the beach. The darker, the better. Guess that makes me a tourist.[/QUOTE]

You are so wrong... The upper society would not search a donor list.

Instead they would offer to buy what they need from dirt poor Isaan folks then stiff them when it came time for payment.

I enjoy taking my TGF around (or any LBFM of the moment) and watching a bunch of "wanna be's" suffer as they have to kiss their feet in the shops. I don't care what they say or think, and neither does my TGF.

I come from a Caste Society and it's bull shit.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]...You {OTH} sure sound like you are as bend out of shape as the Thai elitist snobs by the Falang and his date who dare not to comply with their unofficial unenforceable proclamations...[/QUOTE]
Actually, OTH is just as much a victim of Thai elitist snobbery and bigotry as these Farang visitors and their Isaan bar girl dates wandering around the Emporium where they apparently "don't belong." He doesn't condone it, but just tells us like it is.

He, of course, recently found out that he apparently "doesn't belong" in his high paying, high status job, at a high falutin Thai University, didn't he? The bigoted Thai acedemic snobs declined to renew his teaching contract because of his (gasp!) Farang status. He's plenty pissed off about too, as he certainly has a right to be. I'd be a little bent out of shape too if it happend to me.

When I arrived at the dental clinic today, I kidded around with the flirty laughing receptionist for a minute, then turned around to take a seat in the waiting area, and suddenly noticed I wasn't alone. Sitting there was probably one of the most beautiful girls I've seen in ages. About 25 years old, smooth caramel skin, her hair tied back with flowers in it, not too skinny, big doey eyes, and a classic roman nose. Dressed in plain shorts and t-shirt, but still elegant. I couldn't take my eyes off her for a moment as I tried to work out her nationality. I'm pretty sure she is part-Thai/part Indian. She was just an angel. As I walked past her to take a seat, she looked up at me and gave me a beaming friendly smile. 'She's just being polite in the Land of Smiles', I thought, and I politely smiled back.

I picked up a newspaper to read while waiting, but noticed from my peripheral vision that she kept looking over at me. When I looked back at her she gave me another big beaming smile, I smiled back, then she looked away shyly. This sequence happened about 7 or 8 times in 10 minutes. I thought it was a pretty strong signal, so I decided to strike up a conversation, saying "Ah, waiting waiting" with my new cheeky smile. She laughed quietly and shyly but kept eye contact with me this time, and just then she was called into the dentist's room. She got up, walked towards the room and looked back at me with her big smile before disappearing into the room.

A little later she walked out of the dentist's room, and looked over at me again with that beaming smile as she went to the reception desk and paid her bill. I was thinking I should make a move fast before she leaves (nothing to lose in trying). But I hesitated, as it would have been awkward in front of the receptionist, and I wasn't even sure if the angel could speak English. My plan was to discretely signal to her to give me her phone number, by using my phone, hand movements and a wanting smile. But at the same time, I kept hesitating, thinking I must be having a middle-aged man's fantasy, as there's no way a young stunning woman like her would be interested in an average-looking middle-aged guy who looks sleep-deprived and a bit hung-over from too many late nights recently.

My hesitation won over so I didn't make a move. She turned to leave the clinic, looking back at me with her big smile as she opened the door and walked out. I watched her through the shop-front glass as she walked away. Yes, she looked back and smiled shyly at me again, before turning and walking into the crowds. I was sitting there kicking myself that I didn't at least try something

So, Dear Abby, what was that all about? Was I just having a middle-aged crisis, fantasizing that the young sweetheart was interested in me?

'Yes' I hear you saying.

But then why did she continually keep looking over and smiling sweetly and shyly then looking away? What should I have done?

[QUOTE=Piper1]But I hesitated, as it would have been awkward in front of the receptionist, and I wasn't even sure if the angel could speak English. My plan was to discretely signal to her to give me her phone number, by using my phone, hand movements and a wanting smile. [/QUOTE]

I have name cards with my Philippines, Thai and other cell numbers on it as well as one of my email addresses. It's worked well in situations like this.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Actually, OTH is just as much a victim of Thai elitist snobbery and bigotry as these Farang visitors and their Isaan bar girl dates wandering around the Emporium where they apparently "don't belong." He doesn't condone it, but just tells us like it is.
[/QUOTE]

Who decided that they don't belong in the Emporium and why should they comply? I just don’t get this.

Look, the elitist will be elitist regardless of what any of us do so why try to appease them or anyone else for that matter? As long as the snobs are not paying your bills, they should be irrelevant in terms of how you conduct your daily life.

As for telling it like it is, you may want to read his post again using the description "rent a ho" coupled the facial and skin color descriptive sure don't make him sound like he's being impartial but it’s only my opinion, for all I know he may be a great humanitarian.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I have name cards with my Philippines, Thai and other cell numbers on it as well as one of my email addresses. It's worked well in situations like this.[/QUOTE]Damn good advice, thanks. When she was about to leave, I quickly decided I'd write my phone number on a piece of paper and give it to her discretely. But then I realized I don't know what my new Thai number is!

I'll get some cards printed (in relevant languages) on my next overseas trip.

[QUOTE=Piper1]Damn good advice, thanks. When she was about to leave, I quickly decided I'd write my phone number on a piece of paper and give it to her discretely. But then I realized I don't know what my new Thai number is!

I'll get some cards printed (in relevant languages) on my next overseas trip.[/QUOTE]

Once in a while I have some good advice ;)

I have a few different cards like this and they've served me well all over Asia and Oceania.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]Who decided that they don't belong in the Emporium and why should they comply? I just don’t get this.

Look, the elitist will be elitist regardless of what any of us do so why try to appease them or anyone else for that matter? As long as the snobs are not paying your bills, they should be irrelevant in terms of how you conduct your daily life.

As for telling it like it is, you may want to read his post again using the description "rent a ho" coupled the facial and skin color descriptive sure don't make him sound like he's being impartial but it’s only my opinion, for all I know he may be a great humanitarian.[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm certainly not saying they don't belong, and that's why I put the phrase in quotes, to indicate that is what the Thai bigots are thinking. Personally, I'd have no problem taking any woman to the Emporium and could care less what some Thai asshole thought about it.

My point is that some Thais hate Farangs just as much as they hate other Thais, and OTH should know that as well as any of us because that hatred has caused him real damage -- not just injured feelings.

And while OTH might use catchy terms such as "rent-a-ho," and "rent-a humps," I doubt that it makes him a bigot, since he freely admits he has rented them himself many times in the past, and probably will again, now that his current Isaan girl has decided to move on.

His problem, I think, is that he lets it get to him, (not without justification), while the rest of us don't give a shit about Thai snob culture because it doesn't affect us personally.

I hope you don't kick yourself too much, Piper old chap.

Go get a nice tasty treat to ease your pain. :D

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Well, I'm certainly not saying they don't belong, and that's why I put the phrase in quotes, to indicate that is what the Thai bigots are thinking. Personally, I'd have no problem taking any woman to the Emporium and could care less what some Thai asshole thought about it.

My point is that some Thais hate Farangs just as much as they hate other Thais, and OTH should know that as well as any of us because that hatred has caused him real damage -- not just injured feelings.

And while OTH might use catchy terms such as "rent-a-ho," and "rent-a humps," I doubt that it makes him a bigot, since he freely admits he has rented them himself many times in the past, and probably will again, now that his current Isaan girl has decided to move on.

His problem, I think, is that he lets it get to him, (not without justification), while the rest of us don't give a shit about Thai snob culture because it doesn't affect us personally.[/QUOTE]

You may be right about motives but those are not "catchy terms" they are strategically chosen words used to make a point and in fairness I have been on this board too long because I have seen him used those and similar type phases repeatedly in numerous posts in the past and always in the same manner. While in other posts his phrasing and descriptions are innocuous because the intent of the posting is less purposeful.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]Who decided that they don't belong in the Emporium and why should they comply? I just don’t get this.[/QUOTE]

Interesting... I thought you were a LOS veteran? have you ever lived or worked here? with the above comment, it looks like you haven't.

No one decided they don't belong there, it's just the way things are. As OTH mentionned, they would stick out like a sore thumb adn get "looks" from other Thais. That's all. it's just about how comfortable they will feel being judged (or looked down upon) by other Thais.

Nothing a Farang's brain could understand because we aren't raised to think or feel like Thais.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Interesting... I thought you were a LOS veteran? have you ever lived or worked here? with the above comment, it looks like you haven't.

No one decided they don't belong there, it's just the way things are. As OTH mentionned, they would stick out like a sore thumb adn get "looks" from other Thais. That's all. it's just about how comfortable they will feel being judged (or looked down upon) by other Thais.

Nothing a Farang's brain could understand because we aren't raised to think or feel like Thais.[/QUOTE]

You are spouting off without the facts, go back and digest the entire discussion then respond. I posted that question in loosely rhetorical form to make a point not to generate a technical response. Do not take a response I made to another poster out of context to make suppositions about me.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]All bigots and antagonists, take note, this is an example of how to promote your own clandestine ajenda under the guise of explainining Thai bigotry. [/QUOTE]

No, it's not. I'm just explaining the situation as an answer to the original question/discussion. I can't be bothered to read through your whole post as I already know from previous exchanges your prejudice against me.

As a victim of the Thai elite, who've done untold damage to me in the last year, I'm hardly going to support their POV against anyone. So, perhaps, if I have any agenda, it would be as an anti-elitist. I'm just calling it as I see it.

Also, your remark that any Thai woman with a Farang is automatically seen as P4P is quite out-moded thinking. Mixed dating is much more widly practiced here, these days.

My maybe ex-GF (not sure, yet) has never been treated with anything but respect wherever we went together because she's white-skinned, wears good clothes, and speaks Thai properly, and therefore is assumed to be one of "them" (she's not, btw, she's from Isaan. But, she doesn't look like a typical Isaan girl - all illusion, as it turns out). So, whether or not, you want to accept that I'm just being specific, not racist, it still has everything to do with the things I described, which centre on appearance, deportment, the way they speak etc. Most importantly, this issue is about how the girls feel. It's immaterial whether the Farang guy doesn't give a shit or not how Thais think.

Also, I should point out that I speak from experience because at one time in the distant past, I too was one of those clueless guys at Emporium with a rent-a-ho going to a movie. I didn't actually know how people thought, (and I wouldn't have cared anyway) until I was eventually told by one girl from Buriram (the last BG I ever "dated") that she didn't like going there because people stared at her because she "wasn't the same" as the rest of the Thais there (i.e. she was very dark and didn't have nice clothes). So, I asked her where she wanted to go and what she wanted to do. I ended up with her at a outdoor market next to the Mall Bangkapi and then some modest, but excellent seafood restaurants near a small lake near the Mall - all very homegrown, authentic Thai. Here she was in her comfort zone and very happy. That, in the final analysis is the point - knowing what works and doesn't work within the framework of their culture.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]No, it's not. I'm just explaining the situation as an answer to the original question/discussion.

As a victim of the Thai elite, who've done untold damage to me in the last year, I'm hardly going to support their POV against anyone. So, perhaps, if I have any agenda, it would be as an anti-elitist.[/QUOTE]

As I wrote below to Daddy07, my objection was largely to the choice of words you used to describe the girls, (not that they are any angels) and the overall tone but only you know what is in your heart.


[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
Your remark that any Thai woman with a Farang is automatically seen as P4P is quite out-moded thinking.[/QUOTE]

I said generally not automatically and stand by that.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
My maybe ex-GF (not sure, yet) has never been treated with anything but respect wherever we went together because she's white-skinned, wears good clothes, and speaks Thai properly, and is assumed to be one of "them" (she's not, btw, she's from Isaan. But, she doesn't look like a typical Isaan girl - all illusion, as it turns out). So, whether or not, you want to accept that I'm just being specific, not racist, it still has everything to do with the things I described, which centre on appearance.[/QUOTE]

You don't know what they are thinking when they see you together so even if she is treated with respect it does not negate the fact that they may still think your relationship is the product of P4P.

[QUOTE=Piper1]
So, Dear Abby, what was that all about? Was I just having a middle-aged crisis, fantasizing that the young sweetheart was interested in me?

'Yes' I hear you saying.

But then why did she continually keep looking over and smiling sweetly and shyly then looking away? What should I have done?[/QUOTE]

:confused: That’s like the Bulls without Mike, China without rice, the Holy Bible without Ch….well you get the idea.

After this I am expecting America to catch Bin Laden tonight.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I can't be bothered to read through your whole post as I already know from previous exchanges your prejudice against me.
[/QUOTE]

You keep modifying your post but this is most ironic coming from you. I am prejudice against you because I don't share your view or dare to challenge what you wrote? You can surely dish it out so you should be able take it.

[QUOTE=Run Mann] It may or may not be true but Thai women seen with falangs are generally thought to be from the P4P industry.

[/QUOTE]
Thais know who is p4p and who is not. They don't generally "think" that if you are farang and have a girl that she is p4p. Thais will size YOU and your girl up in a matter of seconds and make their judgment based on what they see and how you interact.

I had a Bangkok non-p4p girlfriend for several years and we received nothing but respect in our daily interactions with all classes of Thai people.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]You don't know what they are thinking when they see you together so even if she is treated with respect it does not negate the fact that they may still think your relationship is the product of P4P.[/QUOTE]

You still don't get it. They can tell the difference because of how she acts, carries herself, dresses, and most importantly speaks.
P4P girls speak Thai and even Isaan like gutter-snipes, and it marks them as, at the very least uneducated and LoSo to other Thais.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]You keep modifying your post but this is most ironic coming from you. I am prejudice against you because I don't share your view or dare to challenge what you wrote? You can surely dish it out so you should be able take it.[/QUOTE]

It is NOT a POV. It's just a statement of fact. period.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]You still don't get it. They can tell the difference because of how she acts, carries herself, dresses, and most importantly speaks.
P4P girls speak Thai and even Isaan like gutter-snipes, and it marks them as, at the very least uneducated and LoSo to other Thais.[/QUOTE]

Not all P4P girls are from Issan and not all Issan BG girls act like or dress like hookers but since we will not convince each other this I will leave you to your beliefs and I will stick with mine.


[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]It is NOT a POV. It's just a statement of fact. period.[/QUOTE]
Of course once you say it, it is a fact in your mind, and you have used this same line on other posters who have disagreed with you before so this is nothing new. I am not the only one here who have accused you of being a bigot or making bigoted statements so I am in populous company with that line. However, I am not going to the fight club with you and since you are getting worked up I will bow out, this is not that personal to me. Peace!

[QUOTE=Run Mann]Not all P4P girls are from Issan and not all Issan BG girls act like or dress like hookers but since we will not convince each other this I will leave you to your beliefs and I will stick with mine.



Of course once you say it, it is a fact in your mind, and you have used this same line on other posters who have disagreed with you before so this is nothing new. I am not the only one here who have accused you of being a bigot so I am in populous company with that line. However, I am not going to the fight club with you and since you are getting worked up I will bow out, this is not that personal to me. Peace![/QUOTE]


me too. I'm not really that worked up. It's only ISG, after all. That's it for my current spurt of activity, for awhile. I'll go back into my hole, now, until the next time.

As always, it's been fun. cheers!

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]me too. I'm not really that worked up. It's only ISG, after all. That's it for my current spurt of activity, for awhile. I'll go back into my hole, now, until the next time. As always, it's been fun. cheers![/QUOTE]OTH: Before you sign-off for awhile would you check out my post on the Thai Politics thread.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=879237&postcount=1119[/url]

I am very interested in hearing your take on the current political situation [i]today,[/i] the post-Songkran situation, the Sondhi assassination attempt, the prospects for the UDD/Red Shirts causing more trouble, and what might come next in the LOS.

Among other new developments, [i]The Nation[/i] has been very anti-Abhisit lately ever since he brought up amending the constitution adopted during the Junta government. They seem to like Newin's camp a lot.

What do you think?

[quote=old thai hand]i bet she looked like an isaan girl, though, didn't she? dark skin? flat wide nose? listen, you could have draped her in dior and she would have been treated the same. i'm sure the waitress considered herself above your girl in status, and therefore wouldn't lower herself to wait on her.

emporium (like paragon) is a bastion of upper-class, white-skinned thais. if your date didn't look like them, she wasn't welcome, pure and simple.

one of the major topics of conversations and a great source of puzzlement with thais concerning farang seems to always focus on what they consider farang men's bad taste in women and especially a preference for dark-skinned isaan girls, which are considered ugly and at the bottom of the barrel, by thai standards. they also question why even young, good-looking farang guys here often prefer such ugly women.
a very hot, white-skinned thai student i know who's going to the states to study lamented she'd probably never get a date while there because she doesn't have dark skin and "look like an ugly isaan girl" and therefore nobody would like her. such is the perception here.

geez, haven't we had variations on this discussion a thousand times before?

why do many farang, especially visitors continue to try to fly in the face of thai social convention, as revolting as it may be to us, by traipsing their dates around in-appropriate venues where they are not welcome?

some on here in the past have expressed a perverse desire to stick it to snooty thai shop keepers and wait staff at places like emporium by forcing them to wait on their rent-a-hos. all one ends up doing in such a situation is making everyone feel uncomfortable. while farang may not agree with the many unsaviory aspects of thai culture, such as classism and racism, it is their culture, for better or worse. the farang, especially those who get so bent out of shape over this type of thing are largely visitors who don't really understand how to deal with the culture.[/quote]
what is so difficult to understand? well i can't seem to understand how a racist sex tourist cum sex expatriate can [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and moan about being a victim of thai racism and prejudice. one minute the guy is crying about the thai academics shitting on him because they didn't renew his teaching contract due to his low status as a farang in their society; the next minute he's taking pleasure in advocating compliance with racist thai attitudes towards dark skinned, wide flat nosed isaan girls. he heaps ridicule on his fellow farang for bucking against thai racial ignorance but whines when he becomes a victim of that very ignorance. i guess it is a case of the chickens coming home to roost. it is amazing how bigots cling to their beliefs even when they become victims of the same. thais will assume that any native female with a white guy, or any other foreigner, is a prostitute or in it for a visa. thais know why single male farangs come to their country. you can masquerade as an english teacher or whatever fits your fancy. they know you're there for the pussy just like all the others.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger] the next minute he's taking pleasure in advocating compliance with racist Thai attitudes towards dark skinned, wide flat nosed Isaan girls. [/QUOTE]
This has nothing to do with racism, it's more like "classism". If a Thai looks down on another Thai because he/she is dark it has nothing to do with race because they are all Thai. Try not to confuse the preference of white skin over black/dark skin in Thai society with racism. It has nothing to do with it.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger] Thais will assume that any native female with a white guy, or any other foreigner, is a prostitute or in it for a visa. [/QUOTE]
Do Thais feel the same way about the daughter of the big BOSS? Don't think she was a pro, or needed a visa!

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]I'm a well-educated, 50ish, bald, fat white guy from North America (sound familiar?)[/QUOTE]

They're going to love you in Pattaya then :D
(sorry... bad joke)

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Thais know why single male farangs come to their country. You can masquerade as an English teacher or whatever fits your fancy. They know you're there for the pussy just like all the others.[/QUOTE]

You're talking out of your ass

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]What is so difficult to understand? Well I can't seem to understand how a racist sex tourist cum sex expatriate can [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and moan about being a victim of Thai racism and prejudice.[/QUOTE]

I'm not, nor have I ever been a sex tourist or sexpatriate. Nor, do I consider myself a racist. I've dated Thai women of all shades and from all kinds of backgrounds. It seems whenever I report the attitudes of Thais, it's assumed I'm secretly advocating those attitudes, while in fact, I'm merely explaining them.



[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]the next minute he's taking pleasure in advocating compliance with racist Thai attitudes towards dark skinned, wide flat nosed Isaan girls. He heaps ridicule on his fellow farang for bucking against Thai racial ignorance.....[/QUOTE]

I was actually suggesting in all of this that Farang guys should consider how the BG feels in an environment where she's not welcome and should take her somewhere where she is.

I don't give a toss what other Thais think, especially the snobs who populate Emporium and Paragon.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Thais will assume that any native female with a white guy, or any other foreigner, is a prostitute or in it for a visa. Thais know why single male farangs come to their country. You can masquerade as an English teacher or whatever fits your fancy. They know you're there for the pussy just like all the others.[/QUOTE]

1/ a)Thais assume when they see a Farang with some tarted-up TG covered in tatoos, wearing cheap clothes and walking and talking like a ho, (even if she has white skin), that she's (quite rightly) a ho.

b)If they see a Farang with a well-dressed, well-bahaved, and well-spoken TG, they might still make those assumptions if she has dark skin and looks Isaan. That isn't my prejudice. That's theirs, and it's just a fact.

c)If they see a Farang with a well-dressed, well-behaved, and well-spoken TG with white skin, especially if she's Thai-Chinese, they would very unlikely assume she's a hooker (although, she still might be...just a high-class one).

With the proliferation of foreign students, especially from the West studying in International programs, most of whom are dating TGs, Thais have become far more accustomed to seeing mixed dating, without automatically assuming the girl is P4P.

2/ Not a lowly English teacher. I'd rather have a labotomy, than be one of those.

3/I came to Thailand to work. My first job here was at The Nation. I knew little, if anything about P4P here before I arrived. It has never been a factor in my staying. Although, my long-term relationships with regular TGs has been a factor and a legitimate reason to stay. BTW, none of them were P4P or in it for the visa.


Based on your declarative rant here, it would appear that you have a very narrow perspective on Thailand and are another example of several simple-minded morons who have recently taken up residence on ISG.

While we seldom agree, and I do think that he has it in for me sometimes, (but all's fair in love and war) I respect someone like Run Mann, as an intelligent and worthy opponent. Ditto for Opebo, although many on here don't like him.

Sadly, for every one of them, there are a dozen like you.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]They're going to love you in Pattaya then :D
(sorry... bad joke)[/QUOTE]Nic: That's funny. Did you stay up all night oiling your pet worm and thinking about me? ;)

Despite old age, a big stomach, and a chrome dome, I get plenty of love most places I go. And funny thing, some of it's free.

Never been to Pattaya, though! Might have to check it out one of these days.

You have a good weekend...

[QUOTE=Mortman]"The UK and Europe have loads of former bargirls married to (most often) working-class geezers providing them with a life, (far from the dream-life they expected) of loneliness, mediocrity and freezing their tits off in crappy weather."

Never a truer word spoken. I know several bar girls who married and moved over to the UK. It is not only the crap weather but the fact that these guys cannot support them in the way that the girls expected. What the bar girls fail to realise is that many of the tourists visiting them for an annual two week holiday spend the year before hand saving for the trip. They hold down low paid jobs with some living off welfare benefits (though how they afford to go to LOS is anyone's guess) To the girls these guys appear very affluent not realising that their escape to a better life means living on some council estate in a dingy apartment, where money is sparse and trips back to see their family few and far between. In fact quite a few of the thai ex WG's in the UK find themselves working back in their old trade just to make ends meet and many of the marriages do not last. That is not to say that some of the marriages do work, but they tend to be with guys who can afford to send their girl home a few times each year to visit family and who have a decent income/nice home. Having cable with Thai TV also helps![/QUOTE]
Statistically, UK marriage success/failure rates between Brits and Thais run at around 50%, which is the same as the national average for the [i]whole[/i] adult population.

I expect we all know a few stories of Brit marriages to Thai women in the UK going tits-up and some of the women returning to type and going working in knocking shops. But the notion of large numbers of Thai women working in the UK prostitution biz is an urban myth. My own experience of years of extensively using Greater Manchester's massage parlours (Manchester is the massage parlour capital of Europe due to a long-time police tolerance policy btw) was that there were never more than a few Thai women working in them at any given time and most of these tended to be the same faces over lengthy periods of that time. This in a city that has over 3000 Thai residents, mostly female.

I linked to an excellent report by the Runnymede Trust about Thais living in the UK in a similar discussion with OTH a couple of years ago. It covers most aspects, including how Thais adapt and settle. The conclusion seems to be that many do, but not without difficulties. It's a long report. But this type of info is how we become informed rather than just repeating what we heard down the pub, in the back of a taxi or from a couple of acquaintances:

[url]http://www.runnymedetrust.org/uploads/file/EmpoweringIndividualsCreatingCommunity-2008.pdf[/url]

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Statistically, UK marriage success/failure rates between Brits and Thais run at around 50%, which is the same as the national average for the [i]whole[/i] adult population.

I expect we all know a few stories of Brit marriages to Thai women in the UK going tits-up and some of the women returning to type and going working in knocking shops. But the notion of large numbers of Thai women working in the UK prostitution biz is an urban myth. My own experience of years of extensively using Greater Manchester's massage parlours (Manchester is the massage parlour capital of Europe due to a long-time police tolerance policy btw) was that there were never more than a few Thai women working in them at any given time and most of these tended to be the same faces over lengthy periods of that time. This in a city that has over 3000 Thai residents, mostly female.

I linked to an excellent report by the Runnymede Trust about Thais living in the UK in a similar discussion with OTH a couple of years ago. It covers most aspects, including how Thais adapt and settle. The conclusion seems to be that many do, but not without difficulties. It's a long report. But this type of info is how we become informed rather than just repeating what we heard down the pub, in the back of a taxi or from a couple of acquaintances:

[url]http://www.runnymedetrust.org/uploads/file/EmpoweringIndividualsCreatingCommunity-2008.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]

I agree with you because you've supplied empirical evidence in the past.

My original reference was general, although I actually was thinking more about Europe and had certain countries in mind, like Germany, for example. There's a park, (I believe in Frankfurt) that's quite well-known as a place where all the ex-BG wives of working-class Germans meet up to eat som tam and whinge about their miserable lives living in gray bunkers, having to deal with dour German mothers-in-law, all the while longing for home and warmer climes. Germany has miserable, cold winters, passable, but wet Springs, tepid summers, and gusty, rainy Autumns, not to mention the Germans themselves, who aren't exactly the most welcoming people on earth, (sorry Giotto). How, in God's name could a TG ever be happy there? There are worse places, of course for unsuspecting starry-eyed BGs to end up. Stockholm? (boring fucking city full of miserable, suicidal Swedes). Helsinki? (even more fucking boring than Stockhom and full of even more miserable, suicidal Finns). I once knew a TG who went to Finland (afterall, "isn't that where Nokia is?", she asked before she left) and it so undid her psyche, that after 3 years there, she was never the same happy-go-lucky girl, I knew before.

As miserable as England can be, at least the Brits are generally a fun lot and good for a laugh. But, any time I hear a TG say she's got a BF in Western Europe and wants to move there, I cringe. They simply have no idea what they're getting into.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
... I knew little, if anything about P4P here before I arrived....[/QUOTE]

Gosh, is this really true? Must have led a very sheltered life beforehand then to be one of the few guys in the western hemisphere to be unaware of the p4p scene in Thailand! Must have been a big shock when you arrived and discovered it:eek: Guess that you immediately joined ISG to protest!!


[QUOTE=Terry Terrier] My own experience of years of extensively using Greater Manchester's massage parlours (Manchester is the massage parlour capital of Europe due to a long-time police tolerance policy btw) was that there were never more than a few Thai women working in them at any given time and most of these tended to be the same faces over lengthy periods of that time. This in a city that has over 3000 Thai residents, mostly female.
[/QUOTE]

This is maybe because they all moved to Northampton to do business. Place is full of Thai hookers. I think that the council is thinking of renaming one of the main red light thoroughfares Sukhumvit, in their honour. Anybody unfortunate enough to be passing through that godforsaken place can enjoy a real thai soapy massage experience at [url]http://www.thaipalacemassage.co.uk/[/url]. Nikki is particularly to be recommended. But cheap it 'aint (about 6T for an hour).

[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Gosh, is this really true? Must have led a very sheltered life beforehand then to be one of the few guys in the western hemisphere to be unaware of the p4p scene in Thailand! Must have been a big shock when you arrived and discovered it:eek: Guess that you immediately joined ISG to protest!![/QUOTE]

Thailand's image as a sex tourist destination only really took off with the popularity of the Internet and sites like ISG in recent years. When I arrived in Asia in '96 few people, even in the US were using the Internet. While very marginally aware of what was happening here, I still doubt my ignorance was particularly exclusive, back then. Nobody in the West knew much about Thailand in any way in those days, even horny, sex-starved Western guys.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Thailand's image as a sex tourist destination only really took off with the popularity of the Internet and sites like ISG in recent years. When I arrived in Asia in '96 few people, even in the US were using the Internet. While very marginally aware of what was happening here, I still doubt my ignorance was particularly exclusive, back then. Nobody in the West knew much about Thailand in any way in those days, even horny, sex-starved Western guys.[/QUOTE]

Totally disagree with that statement. I'm not that old and live in a sheltered area in the middle of no where and even my society knew of Thai and other Asian countries where prostitution was liberal to say it kindly. We do not even have have good internet only dial up and very limited at that. So internet did nothing for that.

And if you were military then everyone knew of SE Asia as a good port of call.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Thailand's image as a sex tourist destination only really took off with the popularity of the Internet and sites like ISG in recent years. When I arrived in Asia in '96 few people, even in the US were using the Internet. While very marginally aware of what was happening here, I still doubt my ignorance was particularly exclusive, back then. Nobody in the West knew much about Thailand in any way in those days, even horny, sex-starved Western guys.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I must totally disagree with you there for your statement is utter nonsense. Thailand first took off as a well known sex destination during the Vietnam War when sex starved grunts took their R&R there way back in the 60's and 70's. When they left the vacuum was soon filled with sex tourists from the west and later East Asia. I had heard of Thailand's notoriety way back in the early 80's but didn't have the opportunity to visit until 1985, when like most first timers, I thought that I had died and gone to paradise. The only place missing then, in situ now, was Nana Plaza which first opened for business in 88 or 89. Everything else, Patpong (then the main p4p bar area), Soi Cowboy, Thermae, Beer Garden, Pattaya were all thriving and full of punters. Just the same as now although there was not the sheer numbers or the clinical professionalism of the girls that we find today. And we all went bareback:eek:

[QUOTE=Gamahucher] but didn't have the opportunity to visit until 1985...
And we all went bareback[/QUOTE]
I envy you! Sounds like the good ole days!

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I respect someone like Run Mann, as an intelligent and worthy opponent. Ditto for Opebo, although many on here don't like him.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for the kind thought, sir.

Actually I don't entirely disagree with your views, or your taste (I like various types, but the high-end white-skinned do have their appeal). And any skepticism I have regarding denials of sex-tourist status apply to all foreigners in this country, not just your good self.

[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Yes, I must totally disagree with you there for your statement is utter nonsense. Thailand first took off as a well known sex destination during the Vietnam War when sex starved grunts took their R&R there way back in the 60's and 70's. When they left the vacuum was soon filled with sex tourists from the west and later East Asia. I had heard of Thailand's notoriety way back in the early 80's but didn't have the opportunity to visit until 1985, when like most first timers, I thought that I had died and gone to paradise. The only place missing then, in situ now, was Nana Plaza which first opened for business in 88 or 89. Everything else, Patpong (then the main p4p bar area), Soi Cowboy, Thermae, Beer Garden, Pattaya were all thriving and full of punters. Just the same as now although there was not the sheer numbers or the clinical professionalism of the girls that we find today. And we all went bareback:eek:[/QUOTE]
Yes I can remember being in Bangkok in approx. 1984.
I managed to find some Soapy establishment with large fishbowl, possibly called the Golden Gate. I was very scared to fuck the Thai girl even though she was gorgeous, because I didn't have any condoms and wasn't sure if they had diseases or not like Herpes, Siphilis, Gonorreah etc.

Found another Soapy in Chiangmai and had my first body slide.

In Patong beach Phuket, we already had a street with a hundred bars. Old guys were going round with young girls hanging off the arm, some who wore singlets and no bra showing off dark nipples.
To say that there was little sex tourism would be ridiculous.

Some ladyboys on the beach in Patong too.

I guess sex tourism would have stepped up a lot after Vietnam war, but Soapy MPs were available for Thai customers for who knows how long.

About 17 years ago I commenced to study Thai Language.
Then started trips to Thailand with mongering at Soapies like the Thermae and bars of Soi Cowboy for many years before I ever used the internet in connection with Thailand or became aware of the ISG.

Got first non P4P Thai GF about 14 years ago. A great character girl, but was still sexually frustrated.

So the internet just didn't seem to be relevant.

OTH probably wasn't aware of that infamous dictionary that described Bangkok as a place with many hookers, many years back.

I stand corrected.

I did of course know of the impact of the Vietnam War on the sex industry in Thailand. I guess, I just never thought much about it, or of ever coming here because of it. It certainly was never discussed by anyone I knew in Canada. Cuba definitely was, however. Our orientation in Toronto was North-South, not East-West. So, Cuba and the DR were places to go, if one wanted to partake. Nobody, ever thought about Asia.

In the mid-90s, when I was 43, I had a 22 y.o. half-French-Canadian, half Mohawk Indian GF and therefore, it never occurred to me to go anywhere looking for young stuff, because I had it at home. Some things never change. Now, I have it here.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]While we seldom agree, and I do think that he has it in for me sometimes, (but all's fair in love and war) I respect someone like Run Mann, as an intelligent and worthy opponent. [/QUOTE]

I reciprocate in kind in my view of you OTH. I have nothing against you personally or anyone else on this board for that matter. There is also less disparity in our taste of women than you may know I just don’t highlight the issue of their skin color and I don’t gratuitously mention their facial features the way you do. One reason you get so much flack from these different posters is not so much for your message, because your message generally is on point but your editorializing and the separating of the messenger (you) versus the message (Thai culture/bigotry) is too often non-existent.

If you made the clear distinction that you are (only) reporting it instead of promoting, endorsing or even embellishing the message you would not get kind of responses you do. However, I think you purposely present the message the way you do. Why? Only you know the real reason you do it that way. Then again, if you start playing the role of the “straight man” or “just the facts” (man) there would be little reason to engage you which would make for a pretty boring ISG train ride.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]I reciprocate in kind in my view of you OTH. I have nothing against you personally or anyone else on this board for that matter. There is also less disparity in our taste of women than you may know I just don’t highlight the issue of their skin color and I don’t gratuitously mention their facial features the way you do. One reason you get so much flack from these different posters is not so much for your message, because your message generally is on point but your editorializing and the separating of the messenger (you) versus the message (Thai culture/bigotry) is too often non-existent.

If you made the clear distinction that you are (only) reporting it instead of promoting, endorsing or even embellishing the message you would not get kind of responses you do. However, I think you purposely present the message the way you do. Why? Only you know the real reason you do it that way. Then again, if you start playing the role of the “straight man” or “just the facts” (man) there would be little reason to engage you which would make for a pretty boring ISG train ride.[/QUOTE]

I'm ever the provocateur. ;)

Seriously, I will say this much. Few if any on here, even those proporting to be long-term expats and therefore self-styled experts ever really make an in-depth attempt to get into the Thai psyche in order to understand why Thais think and act they way they do. The vast majority on here are visitors and therefore, unfortunately have little if any opportunity to ever understand the culture, which is further exacerbated by the fact that they are engaged with a very narrow and culturally corrupt segment of the population (i.e. P4P girls). When I say, culturally corrupt, I just mean that by entering the P4P scene, the girls go through such a transformation that the "authenticity" of their cultural connection is almost completely corrupted to the point of being destroyed. This is why even lowly maids look down their noses at bargirls, even if they come from the same humble origins.

The other problem, to which I have often referred in the past is that many in the monger set put these girls on a pedestal, elevating them to a status that is antithetical to the reality of their place in Thai society. While these type of Farang may not give a damn what the Thais think, the problem is that they place the girl in an artificial and ultimately uncomfortable situation in which she is not meant to exist within the context of the culture, however flawed we may see this from our Western, egalitarian perspective.

Thai society is very much a stagnant strata of everyone having and knowing their place in the scheme of things, and not rocking the boat by having what is considered anti-social aspirations to go beyond where life puts them. The current political conflicts are not a challenge to this, as many think. The masses of redshirts have no aspirations to a higher status within Thai society. They would never be so presumptuous. The issues are more humble than that and have merely to do with improving the masses lot in life on a purely financial level.

The Thais are bound strongly by what is called SAKDINA (realm or field of power) which centres on the main social concept of "Obligation" to which they all, blindly adhere. The root of this is something quite distasteful to those of us from the West: unquestioning deference to the point of fawning obsequiousness to one's "betters".

As an aside, this is largely why I recently lost my job. Despite understanding completely this central aspect of Thai culture, I steadfastly refuse to adhere to it on principle, often to my own detriment. I had the nerve to challenge a dean, who was acting illegally, immorally and unethically. I was actually quite polite about it. But, the fact that I actually questioned someone, who had never been questioned before in his life by a "subordinate" (he'd never worked with Farang before) was enough to get me canned. This ingrained social ass-kissing is more than anything else holding the Thais back from ever progressing as a society.

However, this way of thinking is so firmly embedded in the Thai mind that trying to fight against it, as many unknowing Farang try to do - (even by such a seemingly innocent act as taking a girl to a place like Paragon to eat and being indignant when the girl is treated rudely, as she actually expects to be in such a situation) - is counterproductive and accomplishes nothing but perpetuating the image of the "ugly, insensitive Farang".

You're right that I perhaps don't clearly and objectively separate myself enough by my writing so pointedly (perhaps ad nauseum) about the Thai prejudice against skin colour, facial features, physical appearance, dress, and manner of speaking of people from the lower classes (seen as mainly from Isaan). But, that is partially me perhaps unduly prodding (for my own perverse pleasure and to stimulate discussion) those on here who are blind to the fact that the young lovelies with whom they traipse all over town, are (unjustly, but there it is) unwelcome in most places. The Thais are usually too polite to express this overtly. But, trust me, they feel it so strongly, that occasionally is leaks out in very unpleasant ways.

This is why I think that Pattaya is the best place for Farang who want to "let it all hang out" figuratively and literally. For the most part, the place is so far gone and cut-off from the norms of Thai society, that the "rules of engagement" are largely upside down. Walking around in the open, arm-in-arm with a hooker is greeted with a yawn of indifference by locals because it's the source of their bread and butter...or rice and chicken, I guess. Everyone from the highest HiSo business owner to the lowliest SW on beach road is so corrupted and at the same level, that the place is socially at least a relative bastion of equality and free-market aspirations, regardless of who you are. Money talks at such a deafening level in the crass commercial cesspit of Pattaya, that Thai culture is merely trotted out as window-dressing. As a result, what I've noticed there and why I have a sort of love-hate relationship with the place is that many of the girls have a level of arrogance, self-importance and confidence completely at odds with their true place in the scheme of things. I suppose on one level, this illusion is a good thing, as long as the girls don't leave town.

Pattaya is like Brigadoon, in that it's a complete anomally, that preserves its unique introspective identity and way of doing things in the face of external cultural and social pressures both reactionary and progressive. It may not, like Brigadoon rise out of the mists every hundred years. But, like Brigadoon its a place where both Farang and Thai can largely forget social convention, completely suspend reality and act with impunity.

Mr. OTH,

For years I have read your post, personally in my heart I refer to you as the Professor. I am one that just haven't had the time to learn or read many of the things you are referring to but in personal ways I have been learning them day by day by just living here in Pattaya.

When you refer to those that just come here on holidays I was one of those but I can tell you personally like yourself I hope and never wish for anyone to have to learn it first hand. So for those that can't understand what OTH, is talking about consider yourself lucky! Keep on Fucking and move on!

Now don't get me wrong! I don't live inside Pattaya itself near Walking St.. etc... you would never pick me out as a Farang even the locals can't. I never thought I would ever be living here but I have no regrets when it comes to my Thai wife and son. In the last few years I have gone through somethings that I would never wish it on anyone and from that experience it has really sour my way of thinking. Things as you say are just so backwards! and I can only speak for Pattaya. There are nights that I can't sleep and I have nightmares and vision of killing so many people that have wrong me here. These are visions that is bringing back some of my past which I have so long try to put behind me. I truly believe with my temper and personality if it wasn't for the love of my wife and son there would be bodies everywhere including many from my brothers wife family.

Hang in there OTH, you're not alone...

LBM

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...This is why I think that Pattaya is the best place for Farang who want to "let it all hang out" figuratively and literally. For the most part, the place is so far gone and cut-off from the norms of Thai society, that the "rules of engagement" are largely upside down. Walking around in the open, arm-in-arm with a hooker is greeted with a yawn of indifference by locals because it's the source of their bread and butter...or rice and chicken, I guess. Everyone from the highest HiSo business owner to the lowliest SW on beach road is so corrupted and at the same level, that the place is socially at least a relative bastion of equality and free-market aspirations, regardless of who you are...[/QUOTE]
So ... which form of social corruption is better from the point of view of a civilized fair minded human being, such as yourself and the rest of us hapless Farang in the LOS -- the one in which the status of an individual is determined by the irrational whims of the hi-born snobs and bigots, or the one allowing "at least a relative bastion of equality and free-market aspirations, regardless of who you are"?

The answer is a no-brainer IMHO. Pattaya, then is a shining egalitarian city on a hill, while the rest of Thailand is the social cesspit.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Totally disagree with that statement. I'm not that old and live in a sheltered area in the middle of no where and even my society knew of Thai and other Asian countries where prostitution was liberal to say it kindly. We do not even have have good internet only dial up and very limited at that. So internet did nothing for that.

And if you were military then everyone knew of SE Asia as a good port of call.[/QUOTE]Just like to ad. That was ther german tour operator in the 80 85 who started with mass charter flight to Thailand. Pattaya took off thanks the german business first. Only few hotels in that time royal cliff siam hotel (today named amari hotel)then follows the uk italian french swiss later only the scandinavian coutries. Then the japaneese. Korean. Later later only the Russian. Yes all off this has nothing to do with the internet. Was more the word mouth to mouth promotion.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]So ... which form of social corruption is better from the point of view of a civilized fair minded human being, such as yourself and the rest of us hapless Farang in the LOS -- the one in which the status of an individual is determined by the irrational whims of the hi-born snobs and bigots, or the one allowing "at least a relative bastion of equality and free-market aspirations, regardless of who you are"?

The answer is a no-brainer IMHO. Pattaya, then is a shining egalitarian city on a hill, while the rest of Thailand is the social cesspit.[/QUOTE]

Well, I don't know if I'd go that far. For the sake of relative brevity, I simplified, or perhaps over-simplified the concept. It's not merely the knobs lording it over the peasants. The masses are willing participants in this exercise, if only because for centuries it has been so relentlessly pounded into their brains, that they now enthusiastically contribute to its perpetuation. The whole concept of Puu yai - puu noi (literally, big man, little man) is not just the snobs and bigots at the upper echelon looking down on those below them. Those below them look down on those below THEM and so forth and so on, down the line. An example of this that I've noticed quite often in Bangkok are the ex-BGs married to expats, who often become quite insufferable, condescending c**ts when dealing with those they now perceive as below their newly acquired status. The girl next door to us, dresses to the nines (still a sow's ear, though) and is rude to the point of abuse to the maids in the building and the motor-cycle taxi guys outside the main door. It's proof positive that Thais, no matter where they are in the pecking order will, if opportunity presents itself find someone to look down on.

Anyway, I do think that a place like Pattaya, at least allows for a more level playing field for Thais from all walks of life. But, it's also a pretty fucked-up place full of fucked-up people in an even more incredibly fucked-up country that is as LBM describes it, "backward". "Backward" actually is IMO an understatement.

As a Torontonian I always knew about Thailand being a fun place for mongering, but flight time & costs to travel to Thailand seem too much for a man of my financial standing; especially, when Cuba WAS the western hemisphere 3hr flight away mongering destination between 1994-2004 as the majority of the women in the DR just didn't float my boat (too dark for my liking).

Cuba the past few years has done a complete 180; especially, if your language skills are not that good as a result I have made 5 trips to Thailand in the past 2. 5 years and I will coming back until I get it right.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I'm ever the provocateur. ;)

This is why I think that Pattaya is the best place for Farang who want to "let it all hang out" figuratively and literally. For the most part, the place is so far gone and cut-off from the norms of Thai society, that the "rules of engagement" are largely upside down. Walking around in the open, arm-in-arm with a hooker is greeted with a yawn of indifference by locals because it's the source of their bread and butter...or rice and chicken, I guess. Everyone from the highest HiSo business owner to the lowliest SW on beach road is so corrupted and at the same level, that the place is socially at least a relative bastion of equality and free-market aspirations, regardless of who you are. Money talks at such a deafening level in the crass commercial cesspit of Pattaya, that Thai culture is merely trotted out as window-dressing. As a result, what I've noticed there and why I have a sort of love-hate relationship with the place is that many of the girls have a level of arrogance, self-importance and confidence completely at odds with their true place in the scheme of things. I suppose on one level, this illusion is a good thing, as long as the girls don't leave town.

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I will say this in defense of Pattaya (God help me). Pattaya city is often times not given a fair shake in terms of what it has to offer. Many people believe Pattaya is nothing more than Walking Street, Beach Road, 1st 2d and 3rd Road, Jomtien, Naklua and the 24 hour nightlife. In truth it is much more than that. My taxi driver has a home in Pattaya (with just the most scenic and tranquil view). Travelling to his home we rarely see any visitors because we are not in the tourist areas. There are also a lot of support groups in Pattaya ran by and supported by expats like Pattaya Expats Clubs, Alcoholics Anonymous, Pattaya Old age Home, Pattaya Orphanage Trust, Fr. Ray Foundation and Plutaluang Homeless Animal Shelter; they along with other groups provide a host of valuable community service and family events and support network to expats and residents. Also if you like golf, Pattaya is this place to be with all the championship golf courses there. Pattaya does offer more for expats and they are better off living there but not all for the negative reasons you cited. There are some good people living there doing some good things.

Having said all that, I will say that the place does have its issues but so does BKK which has a lot of the same negatives you listed as being in Pattaya. In some respects lower Sukhumvit and Patpong are worst than Pattaya. The corruption and cesspit reference is also not exclusive to Pattaya and I know you know that, overall Bangkok is not exactly a model city for clean family oriented type living. While it’s true that BGs can become culturally corrupt by entering the P4P scene, the Thai culture itself is culturally corrupt. Maybe BGs become more culturally corrupt or some would say they see the light but strict adherence to the culture is problematic in that it is hypocritical and corrupt.

Sorry guys - but you're over-analyzing. Wherever you live, life is as good as you make it.

I'll tell you some interesting non-mongering Pattaya stories when I get the time and inclination (and if you're interested). Here's a quick one: My regular Pattaya cabbie proudly introduced me to his 18 year old son a couple of days ago, and we all had a long cab-ride to Bangkok, as he was bringing his son to Bangkok on the same trip to his university courses. Mr. Cabbie is working his butt off for very long hours in a stressful and poorly-paid job to pay his son's university fees. He's a very proud father, from Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]
Having said all that, I will say that the place does have its issues but so does BKK which has a lot of the same negatives you listed as being in Pattaya. In some respects lower Sukhumvit and Patpong are worst than Pattaya. The corruption and cesspit reference is also not exclusive to Pattaya and I know you know that, overall Bangkok is not exactly a model city for clean family oriented type living.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree. Bangkok is at times an absolutely horrible place. Any issue I have with Pattaya is as I've so often said, more to do with the type of Farang low-life you find there, than anything to do with the Thais. You're also correct that if you get away from the main areas, there's a lot to offer, especially just outside Pattaya in places like Bang Chang and further afield, Bang Saen.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]While it’s true that BGs can become culturally corrupt by entering the P4P scene, the Thai culture itself is culturally corrupt. Maybe BGs become more culturally corrupt or some would say they see the light but strict adherence to the culture is problematic in that it is hypocritical and corrupt.[/QUOTE]

You're absolutely correct here as well, especially concerning Thai culture being culturally corrupt. I've often said that Thais lack moral fiber. One of the biggest challenges I face in teaching Thais is ethics, particularly frustrating when I have to teach a course on 'Ethics'. They simply operate on a completely different wave-length than we do with regard to what they see as right and wrong, which is btw, per my previous comments directly tied into their notion of status.

Perhaps I spend too much time over-intellectualizing all of this. But, I write about it here because there are more than a few questions and remarks made by ISGers about why Thais think and act the way they do, to justify my attempts, still often not entirely on the mark, to explain the Thai mindset.

[QUOTE=Member #3200]As a Torontonian I always knew about Thailand being a fun place for mongering, but flight time & costs to travel to Thailand seem too much for a man of my financial standing; especially, when Cuba WAS the western hemisphere 3hr flight away mongering destination between 1994-2004 as the majority of the women in the DR just didn't float my boat (too dark for my liking).

Cuba the past few years has done a complete 180; especially, if your language skills are not that good as a result I have made 5 trips to Thailand in the past 2. 5 years and I will coming back until I get it right.[/QUOTE]

I guess I led a sheltered life in Toronto, back then. :)

I was in Toronto shagging Italian princesses from Little Italy, Brazilian chicks from Bloor West and Chinese chicks from Spadina, and then my half-half (Metis) 22 y.o. GF, so didn't think about hookers of any sort, really. As you and I both know, Toronto is a such a culturally diverse city, that one doesn't need to get stuck with one of those "white whales", that so many guys on ISG seem to be escaping from.

I think it was when I saw a production of "Miss Saigon", that I really became aware of SE Asia as a sex destination. Before that, I just never thought about Asia.

I want to clarify myself, but 1st I want to say I'm learning a lot from what is being said positive and negative!

One thing Thai's say to my wife and I know she understand this part about me is that although I 'm here in Pattaya. I don't consider myself a low life or loser as some have commented about Farangs being in Pattaya. Although I don't look like a Farang I'm am what I am period! Thai's say that I must been through a lot in my life because I really don't care what people have to say about me. I take a little here and there and try to learn something from it!

I don't want to give anyone the impression that I hate Pattaya now because I wouldn't have made this my home. Sure there are most likely places I can enjoy but Pattaya like my home has the ocean, lots of resources for Farangs, easy to get around, and you can nearly get everything that I have at home. I don't believe any one country, region of that country, or city has a consolidation of bad people but with my luck it seems I'm a magnet for bad things to come maybe because I have been around bad people nearly my whole life.

I wasn't born yesterday but I still believe in people and I refuse to believe that all people I am in contact with in Pattaya are bad but I am much more cautious and reserve now! Just this weekend before my son started school again today, I took the family and rented a small house on the beach at Ban Saray and just having no one around watching him play was the reason I came to Thailand and Pattaya. Today back to the real world!

LBM

I have a question for OTH (or Other Veterans),

I was at Emporium this weekend and noticed a lot of white/fair skinned girls, nicely dressed, but most of them were with a brown Thai guy.
Now why is that women would see men's color in a different light?

I mean, some of these guys were really dark compared to the girls. I guess the White/fair skin "standard" doesn't go both ways?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]I want to clarify myself, but 1st I want to say I'm learning a lot from what is being said positive and negative!

One thing Thai's say to my wife and I know she understand this part about me is that although I 'm here in Pattaya. I don't consider myself a low life or loser as some have commented about Farangs being in Pattaya. Although I don't look like a Farang I'm am what I am period! Thai's say that I must been through a lot in my life because I really don't care what people have to say about me. I take a little here and there and try to learn something from it!

I don't want to give anyone the impression that I hate Pattaya now because I wouldn't have made this my home. Sure there are most likely places I can enjoy but Pattaya like my home has the ocean, lots of resources for Farangs, easy to get around, and you can nearly get everything that I have at home. I don't believe any one country, region of that country, or city has a consolidation of bad people but with my luck it seems I'm a magnet for bad things to come maybe because I have been around bad people nearly my whole life.

I wasn't born yesterday but I still believe in people and I refuse to believe that all people I am in contact with in Pattaya are bad but I am much more cautious and reserve now! Just this weekend before my son started school again today, I took the family and rented a small house on the beach at Ban Saray and just having no one around watching him play was the reason I came to Thailand and Pattaya. Today back to the real world!

LBM[/QUOTE]

Of course you're not a low-life. I wasn't implying that ALL Farang in Pattaya are low-lifes. But, there are a disproportionate number of them there: from UK yobs, to Eastern European mafia-types, to Western white-trash. Go sit in the food court at Carrefour and check out the weirdos having lunch. Sit by the pool, at the one of the myriad of condos, especially in the Farang Ghetto around that area and listen and watch. There are a lot of strange characters populating the place. It's the only place where many Farang have more tattoos than the BGs. There is a lot of nefarious activity going on, because Pattaya is perceived, quite rightly, I think as a bit of a wild-west town where anything goes. A lot of the Thais are sketchy, too. It's what gives colour to the place. But, it's also what makes it somewhat distasteful.

Sure there are a lot of nice guys, who've just found a good place to live.

It's just that there is at least an equal number, if not far more than are sketchy, at best, if not far worse than that. I've met more than a few that are there because they had a "spot of trouble" back home...meaning what? They didn't pay their Visa bill? skipped alimony payments? did a runner on a drug charge? murder? mayhem? what? I've met two Brits, separately, who were running from a GBH (Grievous Bodily Harm) charge. Pattaya has had more than it's fair share of Garry Glitter wanna-be-s. Then there are the murderers, who make the news when they are finally discovered hiding out there and extradited back home.

At least, nobody can ever say that Pattaya is boring.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I have a question for OTH (or Other Veterans),

I was at Emporium this weekend and noticed a lot of white/fair skinned girls, nicely dressed, but most of them were with a brown Thai guy.
Now why is that women would see men's color in a different light?

I mean, some of these guys were really dark compared to the girls. I guess the White/fair skin "standard" doesn't go both ways?[/QUOTE]

Yes, I've noticed this too. I don't totally get it, either. But, I do know that the white skin preference doesn't go the other way, nearly as much. But, if you look at the popular male celebrities in the country, most of them are white-skinned Thai-Chinese or Luk Kreung. The other thing I've noticed is that the Thai guys that a lot of TGs go out with are incredibly ugly by our standards. They either look like whiskey swilling low-class toughs looking for a fight, or wimpy girly-men.

I'm constantly amazed when I see my hot, breath-takingly stunning female students with Thai guys who are such pathetic looking wankers and who act like belligerent, spoiled, immature wankers, too.

NicFrenchy and OTH,

I can't believe you two would say such low things about me! That brown guy was me!

I'm no spring chicken and certainly no Bruce Lee but I agree with your assessment that our western standard is that some of these Thai guys? One of my buddies a while back got took for a ride by his Bargirl, I saw a picture of this guy and I said "come on now" we can joke about it now but I told him how big is this guy dick? you must not have been fucking her right?

OTH, I know you didn't personally reference me directly as a low life so no worry! within my post I always joke somewhat. But you are right somewhat when you take a moment and take a look around but like your story about the cabbie, for every Thai scumbag there is another good one like the old cabbie guy that help you out.

LBM

[quote=old thai hand]... there are a lot of strange characters populating the place. it's the only place where many farang have more tattoos than the bgs. there is a lot of nefarious activity going on, because pattaya is perceived, quite rightly, i think as a bit of a wild-west town where anything goes... [/quote]

do you mean this sort of saddo, strange characters? saw an interesting crimewatch uk special recently (download at [url]http://www.mininova.org/tor/2573049[/url] or at uk nova, if you are a member), about the work of the child exploitation and online protection centre (ceop) in thailand, and particularly in pattaya. it appears that there are still flourishing **** and child procurement rings active in the pattaya area, particularly around the soi sunee area.

fortunately, this time, they were successful in catching 2 brits, 1 american and a german (last december, i believe), and they can all look forward to lengthy unpaid positions as anal/oral hoe’s in some godforsaken thai hellhole, as the guests of his royal majesty:d.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]NicFrenchy and OTH,

I can't believe you two would say such low things about me! That brown guy was me![/QUOTE]

LBM,

I did not mean for my post to sound racist, I was just surprised by this fact this weekend, especially after all the discussions here about thai guy's preference for White girls.

I can also Tell you that there is a Thai guy in my company that has a german girlfriend, and this guy is really considered a STUD now for having landed this white chick. the other Thai guys are really looking up to him.
Unfortunately, the guy's a drunkard, lazy, comes late... he must have a huge dick :D

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I did not mean for my post to sound racist, I was just surprised by this fact this weekend, especially after all the discussions here about thai guy's preference for White girls.

I can also Tell you that there is a Thai guy in my company that has a german girlfriend, and this guy is really considered a STUD now for having landed this white chick. the other Thai guys are really looking up to him.
Unfortunately, the guy's a drunkard, lazy, comes late... he must have a huge dick :D[/QUOTE]

The current girl I am seeing is at home for a funeral, she told me today that she was in the sun too much and she might be darker when she gets home. I said good I don't like white skinned and have told her before when she was putting on powder and such that I don't like it. She thought I was joking as according to her "all farang like white skin over dark skin." She was really offended that I was OK with her to get a darker skin color.

For the guys.. it's all about Baht-n-ality, social status / position etc... I know some real loser guys that have hot chicks for some dumb reason or another. Don't understand it and could care less.

Then again most the folks wonder why the current girl is with me and it sure ain't cuz of what little baht I have. ;)

NicFrenchy,

I think some of these conversations have been getting to all us. My post in no way was thinking racist in any manner to me! Now I can't speak for others. I was just joking around.

LBM

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]LBM,

I did not mean for my post to sound racist, I was just surprised by this fact this weekend, especially after all the discussions here about thai guy's preference for White girls.

I can also Tell you that there is a Thai guy in my company that has a german girlfriend, and this guy is really considered a STUD now for having landed this white chick. the other Thai guys are really looking up to him.
Unfortunately, the guy's a drunkard, lazy, comes late... he must have a huge dick :D[/QUOTE]

I've known quite a few expat women here over the years who've shacked up with Thai guys.

Two common elements that I've often noticed in these scenarios:

A/ The woman is often at best, mediocre and many times just coyote ugly, by our standards. If she's white, it doesn't seem to matter how homely she is. If she's blonde or ginger, she's a goddess in their eyes

B/ The Thai guy usually corresponds in looks to the Thai girls that the majority of Farang men go after.
The added feature here is that they often seem to fall into two main categories: Muay Thai Boxers or Motorcycle taxi guys or something similar

Lots of Farang women on holiday shag the cabana boys on the islands, or the boys that work on the various ferry boats.

At the universities, the Farang female students tend to favour a broader spectrum from HiSo Thai-Chinese to Isaan guys. But, many still like to aim low and slum with those, rough swarthy, tattooed Thai thugs.

A friend of mine, who was actually a very attractive strawberry blonde went against type and dated a Thai-Chinese guy, who turned into a psycho stalker, when she dumped him. She was forced to leave Thailand to get away from him.
The straw that broke the camel's back was when she discovered that he had clipped some of her ginger pubes while she was asleep and had made them into a key-chain that he showed to all his mates.

Are you guys talking about me again?

LBM

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Yes, I've noticed this too. I don't totally get it, either. But, I do know that the white skin preference doesn't go the other way, nearly as much. But, if you look at the popular male celebrities in the country, most of them are white-skinned Thai-Chinese or Luk Kreung. The other thing I've noticed is that the Thai guys that a lot of TGs go out with are incredibly ugly by our standards. They either look like whiskey swilling low-class toughs looking for a fight, or wimpy girly-men.

I'm constantly amazed when I see my hot, breath-takingly stunning female students with Thai guys who are such pathetic looking wankers and who act like belligerent, spoiled, immature wankers, too.[/QUOTE]Isn't this the case in the whole world? Everywhere you go you see gorgeous chicks with ugly, rude, uncivilized men that don't know how to dress properly. Nowadays it seems you have to be like this or else people think you are gay. I heard this often enough.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]

For the guys.. it's all about Baht-n-ality, social status / position etc... I know some real loser guys that have hot chicks for some dumb reason or another. Don't understand it and could care less.

[/QUOTE]
It's all about game! Guys who play good game get hot chicks. Same game in every country all around the world. Women fall in love with guys who play them like a toy. Some of these guys are ugly, poor, rich, , winners, losers, etc.

Never Bite Off More Than You Can Chew

[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/30102675/Thai-woman-bites-Belgian-tourists-organ[/url]

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Never Bite Off More Than You Can Chew

[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/30102675/Thai-woman-bites-Belgian-tourists-organ[/url][/QUOTE]
Almost makes you start to wax nostolgic for your mad cabbie, doesn't it? :D

Talking to some of my female staff last night at a party, 2 of them admitted having purchased the services of "Male" prostitutes.
Let me start by saying that these girls aren't in their 20s and that I would not even think of sex with them (even for free).

They then rambled on about how good the guys were. Of course, every other girls were interested adn immediately started to compare with their own Boyfriends/husbands.
These Male prostitutes are 2,000 for the night and guarantee a 5 shot session. One girl said that there is a guy which is more expensive (4,000) but apparently his dick does not go down the whole night... he can fuck/come, fuck/come until the early hours of the morning (I guess we have found the LOCAL Rabbit).

Another girl also started to say that her Farang Boyfriend was very good in bed and always horny & ready to fuck.
Many girls complained that their BF or Husbands were not so interested in sex and wished that they would jump them more often.
(that might be why so many good girls look for sex on the side)

Anyhow, at one point they all turned to me and asked me if Farang men think about sex all the time, hom many times a night can we have sex, how big is our "ding-dong" (the lady with the farang boyfriend assured them that we were BIGGER). Anyway, I was able to get away in one piece.

I can say one thing, for those of you who work in Thailand, and don't mind fucking your own staff (a no-no for me) here's what to do:

1. Go to a noisy restaurant ie: Sizzler, KFC
2. Order a lot of food
3. Order Pitchers of cocktails (no beer, most good TG hate it)
4. Talk about food for an hour
5. Start to ask sexy questions

With the effect of Alcohol, the girls will loosen their tongues adn get very horny... the rest is up to you
You will learn a lot about your staff's sex life.

LAst night, I learned that one girl I thought was very tame already got her ass stuffed by her Thai BF.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Talking to some of my female staff last night at a party, 2 of them admitted having purchased the services of "Male" prostitutes.
Let me start by saying that these girls aren't in their 20s and that I would not even think of sex with them (even for free).

They then rambled on about how good the guys were. Of course, every other girls were interested adn immediately started to compare with their own Boyfriends/husbands.
These Male prostitutes are 2,000 for the night and guarantee a 5 shot session. One girl said that there is a guy which is more expensive (4,000) but apparently his dick does not go down the whole night... he can fuck/come, fuck/come until the early hours of the morning (I guess we have found the LOCAL Rabbit).

Another girl also started to say that her Farang Boyfriend was very good in bed and always horny & ready to fuck.
Many girls complained that their BF or Husbands were not so interested in sex and wished that they would jump them more often.
(that might be why so many good girls look for sex on the side)

Anyhow, at one point they all turned to me and asked me if Farang men think about sex all the time, hom many times a night can we have sex, how big is our "ding-dong" (the lady with the farang boyfriend assured them that we were BIGGER). Anyway, I was able to get away in one piece.

I can say one thing, for those of you who work in Thailand, and don't mind fucking your own staff (a no-no for me) here's what to do:

1. Go to a noisy restaurant ie: Sizzler, KFC
2. Order a lot of food
3. Order Pitchers of cocktails (no beer, most good TG hate it)
4. Talk about food for an hour
5. Start to ask sexy questions

With the effect of Alcohol, the girls will loosen their tongues adn get very horny... the rest is up to you
You will learn a lot about your staff's sex life.

LAst night, I learned that one girl I thought was very tame already got her ass stuffed by her Thai BF.[/QUOTE]


Even for veterans, it's still sometimes surprising to find out just how secretly wild regular TGs are.

Your description reminded me of a similar party many years ago with the staff from The Nation. I still look at the columns of several female reporters and think, "If their readers only knew."

At a more recent party at an Italian restaurant with a group of female students, who were graduating, a lot of fairly lurid tales surfaced after several pails of Italian vino. These daughters of various Thai captains of industry get up to all kinds of mischief while Daddy's off earning millions.

I have viewed the last 10 pages or so of this thread and have not found the answer to my question.

How much is the average monthly stipend nowadays to support a TG and her family obligations?

OAH

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I have viewed the last 10 pages or so of this thread and have not found the answer to my question.

How much is the average monthly stipend nowadays to support a TG and her family obligations?

OAH[/QUOTE]
That's probably because so few of us who contribute to this thread are stupid enough to find ourselves obligated in that kind of situation. :)

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I have viewed the last 10 pages or so of this thread and have not found the answer to my question.

How much is the average monthly stipend nowadays to support a TG and her family obligations?

OAH[/QUOTE]Well I was stupid enough (blinded by TG magic) to support a girl for a few months, also in order to get her to come with me on a holiday (stupid I know).
They will try to get about 40k baht, with a minimum of 30k.

There's the car (10k), the baby / daddy / mummy / crumbling house in Isaan, the room in BKK, etc...of course when you try to get all the details on exact expenditures it gets fuzzy! But they will give you some details sometimes to make it realistic.
When you only give 10k ("it's ok, I'm happy you help me tilak"), be sure they will come back to you later in the month asking for the remaining 20k+.

Magic.

O.K. Daddy07, watch it.


OldAsiaHand,

Not being too stupid, that is a very hard question even for me to answer. But use your common sense and think about it first even for Thailand. It's going to depend on so many factors? How many in family, what are you supporting, house, car, etc... and what expectations does she have from you and you better watch out for the " up to you line " Thais like to use. If you get the wrong women you're in for a wild ride because no matter how much you give them it will never be enough since they don't have to pay for it.

LBM

Thank you Magic and LBM for your candid answers. Daddy07, I believe they are not all bad, just most of them.

It's a typical story so I won't bore you with the details. I know I should know better having lived in Thailand for over 10 years in the past, being fluent in the language and having heard so many horror stories in the past.

I've heard all of what Crazykf describles except there is no baby or car, but there is a brother, an auntie and a grandmother.

It never ceases to amaze me how strong a TG's desire is to support everybody in their family. And, to sacrifice their own well being to that end. Must we accept and pay for this if we as farangs want a relationship with a TG from a poor upcountry family?

Let's assume for the moment that we are not talking about the conniving bargirl that has been on the game forever and is receiving inward remittances from multiple fools overseas while continuing to work. Let's assume that we are not talking about the TG that stays with a farang but still has a Thai husband or boyfriend on the side. As rare as it may seem to many of you, let's assume we are just talking about a TG with that strong desire to do everything she can for her family that falls in love with a farang that obviously has more money than she does.

My question was intended for farangs married to or living with TGs from poor families in long term relationships. How much are you handing over every month? How much extra have you done for her and her family; bought a house, bought a car, rebuilt the house upcountry, bought a farm, paid off the loans, etc.?

It has been awhile since I contemplated getting involved again. Many friends tell me to run as fast as I can. Are there absolutely no TGs out there that are genuine and do not just consider a farang to be an ATM machine?

OAH

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Thank you Magic and LBM for your candid answers. Daddy07, I believe they are not all bad, just most of them.

It's a typical story so I won't bore you with the details. I know I should know better having lived in Thailand for over 10 years in the past, being fluent in the language and having heard so many horror stories in the past.

I've heard all of what Crazykf describles except there is no baby or car, but there is a brother, an auntie and a grandmother.

It never ceases to amaze me how strong a TG's desire is to support everybody in their family. And, to sacrifice their own well being to that end. Must we accept and pay for this if we as farangs want a relationship with a TG from a poor upcountry family?

Let's assume for the moment that we are not talking about the conniving bargirl that has been on the game forever and is receiving inward remittances from multiple fools overseas while continuing to work. Let's assume that we are not talking about the TG that stays with a farang but still has a Thai husband or boyfriend on the side. As rare as it may seem to many of you, let's assume we are just talking about a TG with that strong desire to do everything she can for her family that falls in love with a farang that obviously has more money than she does.

My question was intended for farangs married to or living with TGs from poor families in long term relationships. How much are you handing over every month? How much extra have you done for her and her family; bought a house, bought a car, rebuilt the house upcountry, bought a farm, paid off the loans, etc.?

It has been awhile since I contemplated getting involved again. Many friends tell me to run as fast as I can. Are there absolutely no TGs out there that are genuine and do not just consider a farang to be an ATM machine?

OAH[/QUOTE]

Short answer: DON'T GET INVOLVED WITH ANY POOR TG! Period.

Why in Gawd's name would you want to? What do you have in common? You are guaranteed to get involved in the minutae of her family's problems: the inevitable deadbeat brother, the younger sister who needs school fees, the house that's falling down and needs replacing. The sudden need for a new motorcycle, or truck, new appliances for the house etc. etc. The only reason Farang get involved with these tiresome drains on one's life and finances is because it really easy.

It may take more effort. But, get a middle class girl. If she wants any money, it will be modest. I used to give mine 7500/month, while she was studying. But, when she got a job, I stopped and she was fine with that, because she had her salary. She even started contributing to the household expenses, at least in terms of buying groceries. You certainly won't have to help with her family. They'll all have good jobs and income. My GF's brothers are all cops, her sister works for a 5-star hotel in Shianghai, her father was a district government minister and is now retired. He is building a brand new house in her village in Isaan, and I have never been asked, nor have I contributed one single satang to its construction.

It's all very normal.

I don't consider myself exceptional in this regard. All my friends have similar types of GFs or wives and similar experiences.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]B/ The Thai guy usually corresponds in looks to the Thai girls that the majority of Farang men go after.
The added feature here is that they often seem to fall into two main categories: Muay Thai Boxers or Motorcycle taxi guys or something similar[/QUOTE]

I've known quite a few farang girls (teachers of course) who had Thai boyfriends, and almost to a man those fellows were Southerners. Southerners are much bolder and more macho, as I understand it. But I have to say I've never met a farang female who dated any Thai guy who was below middle class...

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Thank you Magic and LBM for your candid answers. Daddy07, I believe they are not all bad, just most of them.

It's a typical story so I won't bore you with the details. I know I should know better having lived in Thailand for over 10 years in the past, being fluent in the language and having heard so many horror stories in the past.

I've heard all of what Crazykf describles except there is no baby or car, but there is a brother, an auntie and a grandmother.

It never ceases to amaze me how strong a TG's desire is to support everybody in their family. And, to sacrifice their own well being to that end. Must we accept and pay for this if we as farangs want a relationship with a TG from a poor upcountry family?

Let's assume for the moment that we are not talking about the conniving bargirl that has been on the game forever and is receiving inward remittances from multiple fools overseas while continuing to work. Let's assume that we are not talking about the TG that stays with a farang but still has a Thai husband or boyfriend on the side. As rare as it may seem to many of you, let's assume we are just talking about a TG with that strong desire to do everything she can for her family that falls in love with a farang that obviously has more money than she does.

My question was intended for farangs married to or living with TGs from poor families in long term relationships. How much are you handing over every month? How much extra have you done for her and her family; bought a house, bought a car, rebuilt the house upcountry, bought a farm, paid off the loans, etc.?

It has been awhile since I contemplated getting involved again. Many friends tell me to run as fast as I can. Are there absolutely no TGs out there that are genuine and do not just consider a farang to be an ATM machine?

OAH[/QUOTE]Staring off into the inky black rainy Phuket-Andaman Sea sky tonight, blinking my eyes a lot, thinking about this thing of yours a lot, a little too much maybe.

How many of us have been down the same road? Maybe all of us, (except for Daddy07 I suppose.) In my case it was Chiang Mai. Was doling out astronomical amounts, maybe 80-90K+ Baht/month.

One morning, after years of confusion and wistful clenched teeth pinched eyed agony, I just got out of bed, looked at myself in the mirror for a very long time, went outside, took a few deep drags off of Marlboro, flicked it into the road, and with absolute finality said to myself 'you are an idiot for trying to hold this thing together for so gadamm motherfucking long, fuck it', then, without looking back, I just left.

How many of us have done the same thing? Mai reu krup.

To answer directly? It's never the same, but I believe that there is a point between 20K and 25K that allows most Thai girls to simply nod out and leave you alone.

As opposed to what others may have said, I think that there are many of us out there that still feel that little twinge of pain, still get the little headaches off to one side, stlll feel the little confusions of the old hurts, and ultimately, understand the reasons why you are asking about this in the first place. It has nothing to do with stupid brother, nothing at all.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I've known quite a few farang girls (teachers of course) who had Thai boyfriends, and almost to a man those fellows were Southerners. Southerners are much bolder and more macho, as I understand it. But I have to say I've never met a farang female who dated any Thai guy who was below middle class.[/QUOTE]Shitballs, that's easy to explain. Northern Thai guys Are all gay. Seriously.

[QUOTE=Barko]Shitballs, that's easy to explain. Northern Thai guys Are all gay. Seriously.[/QUOTE]

You may be right but I don't see why you've felt it necessary to call me 'shitballs'. I mean it was just that one time...

;)

[QUOTE=Crazykf]Well I was stupid enough (blinded by TG magic) [/QUOTE]

Saying that there is "TG Magic" is the same as saying that Jesus Christ will come back to earth...

There is no such thing as TG Magic... all there is is dumb ass foreigner that come from abroad, only got laid with one white whale and get crazy once they see a tight pussy. They are not magicians, we are fools.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I've known quite a few farang girls (teachers of course) who had Thai boyfriends, and almost to a man those fellows were Southerners. Southerners are much bolder and more macho, as I understand it. But I have to say I've never met a farang female who dated any Thai guy who was below middle class...[/QUOTE]

Yes, I agree. Southern guys too. The girls like the aggressiveness, dark skin and Malay features. But, I stand by what I said. I've known loads of Farang women who have hooked up with tattoed rougnknecks from Isaan, many of whom are also bxers.

But, I've also known some who've dated middle-class and up Thai-Chinese. So, there is still some mixture of tastes.

[QUOTE=Barko]
How many of us have been down the same road? Maybe all of us, (except for Daddy07 I suppose.) In my case it was Chiang Mai. Was doling out astronomical amounts, maybe 80-90K+ Baht/month.[/QUOTE]

When you guys start talking about these large sums of money, which seem to take centre stage in the discussions, it should be a clear warning sign that you've gone down the wrong path with the wrong sort of Thai woman, whether "reformed" P4P, or impoverished, naiive, village girl.

IMO, guys like this all have a warped, screwed-up sense of the reality of Thai women, because they have narrowed their focus and experience to such an extent, they only know one type of girl, and from that incorrectly surmise that all Thai women operate on the same basis. Also, Isaan farmgirls, especially after what they've seen and heard about Farang from working in bars, or, in the case of the naiive girl, from the local matchmaker and on Internet dating sites, also have a fucked up (through need and pure desperation) view of Farang. It's a mutually poisonous situation. These girls aren't Thai, but pure Isaan and they think differently, than girls from the rest of the country.

If you always limit yourself to poor Isaan girls of one type or another, you're doomed to repeat the money cycle and the accompanying pain involved, over and over and over again.

Sorry. But, it IS STUPID!

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Sorry. But, it IS STUPID![/QUOTE]Whatever you say.

We had a 350 square meter house on 10 Rai with an unadulterated view of 30 kilometers of rice fields & Doi Suthep, 3 cars, and traveled to the US, China, Japan & Europe together. She was a university professor probably still is, whelped from a wealthy Chinese family, spoke 9 languages. And me, well OK sure, like you said, I was just a stupid fucking idiot.

Different train of thought here from what you may have assumed perhaps. ;)

At any rate, our relationship reflected the realities of the modernist 20th Century educated couple in Asia.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...If you always limit yourself to poor Isaan girls of one type or another, you're doomed to repeat the money cycle and the accompanying pain involved, over and over and over again.

Sorry. But, it IS STUPID![/QUOTE]

This is what often happens to Farang who fall in love with Thai women and start giving them money -- they end up insane living in a junk car: :D

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/news/2009/may/news_29_05_52.shtml[/url]

[QUOTE=Daddy07]This is what often happens to Farang who fall in love with Thai women and start giving them money -- they end up insane living in a junk car:[/QUOTE]Heh. That is the funniest shit I have seen all day. Am I warped or what?

Hope that isn't you someday Daddy0. :D

I am happy that this topic is being discussed here right now because I was just online talking to a lady friend of mine in Bangkok. Her sister just married a guy from the USA last month. She is 33 years old. Non-pro. I can say that I heard it first on ISG. Guys keep sending your money if you want to. Same game different day. Here is our convo:

(F) L (L) says (12:44 AM):
I REALLY PITTY DANIEL
mrenternational says (12:44 AM):
why?
(F) L (L) says (12:44 AM):
MY YOUNG SISTER NOT HONEST TO HIM
mrenternational says (12:44 AM):
what she say?
(F) L (L) says (12:44 AM):
SHE HAVE THAI MAN TOO
mrenternational says (12:45 AM):
normal. thai woman always do same like that
(F) L (L) says (12:45 AM):
HEY NOT ME. IM NOT LIKE THAT. but alots of thai women like that
mrenternational says (12:47 AM):
what else she do?
(F) L (L) says (12:48 AM):
daniel send money she give money to thai bf
mrenternational says (12:49 AM):
yes. normal for thai girl to do that
(F) L (L) says (12:49 AM):
not me. im honest
(F) L (L) says (1:06 AM):
can i ask u something?
mrenternational says (1:07 AM):
tell me
(F) L (L) says (1:08 AM):
do u think i have to tell daniel or let him find out ?
mrenternational says (1:09 AM):
let him find out. do not say anything
(F) L (L) says (1:09 AM):
ok. she stay with thai bf every night. she talk with daniel morning 9 am and evening 8pm then gone to her thai bf room. i ask her why u do like that
mrenternational says (1:15 AM):
what she say?
(F) L (L) says (1:15 AM):
she said she like. i hope daniel will open his eyes head soon
(F) L (L) says (1:34 AM):
******,
What happened to my wife? I tried to talk with her today I could not. Her phone finally got turned off. She is not on line for me to chat with. Have u seen her? Is she ok? Am very worried. I love her mak mak. Tell her to call me.
Daniel
(F) L (L) says (1:34 AM):
i cant help him
(F) L (L) says (1:34 AM):
like you said let him find out by him self

[QUOTE=Barko]Whatever you say.

We had a 350 square meter house on 10 Rai with an unadulterated view of 30 kilometers of rice fields & Doi Suthep, 3 cars, and traveled to the US, China, Japan & Europe together. She was a university professor probably still is, whelped from a wealthy Chinese family, spoke 9 languages. And me, well OK sure, like you said, I was just a stupid fucking idiot.

Different train of thought here from what you may have assumed perhaps. ;)

At any rate, our relationship reflected the realities of the modernist 20th Century educated couple in Asia.[/QUOTE]

Yes, a very atypical situation compared to the common story you hear. But, it begs the question: why were you giving her so much money, if she came from such a well-to-do background?

Or, am I missing something?

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Yes, a very atypical situation compared to the common story you hear. But, it begs the question: why were you giving her so much money, if she came from such a well-to-do background?

Or, am I missing something?[/QUOTE]Nope, you aren't missing anything. That is precisely the point.

I was shooting her a $2000+ USD monthly allowance (she made shit money as a teacher, but she seriously enjoyed the "ajahn" family face recognition factor) and soon I found that the money would disappear as fast as it was going into her bank account.

She was a Chinese blooded Thai, attractive, extremely high maintenance, and very caught up in the entire Hi-so thing. She lent money, bought tons of insanely useless baroque looking crap that I hated, was involved with so much local polysocial bullshit stuff that she was spending more time with her richy richy fucking old kindergarten girlfriends than she was me. I too had my own sphere of influence, more on the International level, and the juxtaposition of the intersection points with her had essentially dwindled into a virtual vacuum. Then, finally, the two of us simply became like oil and water, we just didn't mix. The relationship lasted six years, but it was indeed long enough. And yes, it was a long long time ago now.

I don't think she had another guy, even though over the years a few of her male students and some profs hit on her with some seriousness, but she didn't seem to try to hide anything really.

During my time with her, I learned a lot about the social levels and inner workings of the Thais, the way they manipulate and double deal, the way they sandbag on important issues, and the way they lie with abandon. But, I also did find, however, that they do it to themselves just as much as they they to it to farangs, if not more.

Now I wince a bit about it when I hear other guys trying to salvage their lives and getting themselves to a point of being able to move on. I try to turn a kind ear. I also throw up a great big red flag when I hear of someone about to fall into the pit.

Yeah, so, I basically went out that front door with my passport, my wallet, briefcase, the suit of clothes on my back, and the remains of what little pride I had left. I had essentially decided to give her everything, she just wasn't going to get the allowance to blow any more. No more of my money to fiddle fuck away.

And yeah, I had no idea at the time that I was really never going back, but I knew I wasn't going to find myself fighting with her family, haggling in and out of court over useless shit I really didn't want, nor was I going to waste my time listening to her trying to tell me that it was all my fault.

I just woke up one day, decided enough was enough, and walked.

I also said never ever again.

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OTH,

The more one has the greater the expense to keep what you have. Barko had a lot since he use the word "WE" I assume he purchase most of the items he mentioned. As you well know being a professor doesn't make you rich so I'm thinking she was no more than middle class maybe that explains why he was giving 80,000 baht a month.

Just a wild guess? LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]OTH,

The more one has the greater the expense to keep what you have. Barko had a lot since he use the word "WE" I assume he purchase most of the items he mentioned. As you well know being a professor doesn't make you rich so I'm thinking she was no more than middle class maybe that explains why he was giving 80,000 baht a month.

Just a wild guess? LBM[/QUOTE]

Obviously, in cases like this, each one is unique. I've known quite a few guys in a similar situation, who didn't spend that much.

As I said before, my gf is middle class. I usually gave her only 7500/month and never gave her more than 10,000. But, she lived with me and I paid all the household expenses, which I suppose should be taken into account, as well. But, even then it was never more than another 30,000 to run the house.

In both his case and mine, at least we weren't chumps living abroad sending tons of money to someone we weren't even with.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]If you always limit yourself to poor Isaan girls of one type or another, you're doomed to repeat the money cycle and the accompanying pain involved, over and over and over again.[/QUOTE]

Well, if a guy is intent on hooking up "long time" (more than week) with a girl from Isaan, I would recommend at least finding a nice Khmer girl. There is much better chance, though certainly no guarantee, that she'll at least have a soul (by which I mean she might not be a total sociopath).

As to the fascination of some other guys with the "hi-so" (what a contemptible arriviste locution) Teochew chickies, I really don't get it, other than the possibility that, having internalized the prejudices of modern Thai society, the company of the pale-skinned Thai Eloi relieves somewhat the sense of self-loathing that accompanies the perpetual outsiderdom of the permanent farang resident- "Look at me, I'm connected, I'm accepted." What's the difference between the Benz-flaunting whiter-than-Caucasian Thai rentier class and their Isaan slaves? The former have more money, plus the good manners to pick their noses in private (usually) and chew with their mouths closed (maybe a bit less than usually); good luck finding any difference in terms of morality, honesty, or empathy. They represent nothing more than the opposite ends of the income spectrum in a society staunchly proud of its inherent corruption and violence; scratch through the veneer, be it brand-name sophistication or charmingly insouciant vulgarity, and in either case find a tribalistic mercenary cryptofascist imp beneath.

So what choices does that leave the farang foolishly seeking something real in the Land of Illusion? (Leave aside the pointlessness of such attempts.) In my case, good fortune, although it has not always felt that way, has entrusted me to the care of a tall, very dark, square-shouldered, straight-nosed, emotionally uncomplicated, fiercely loyal, darkly jealous central Thai. She's the dedicated mother of our child, a mink in the sack, and a sorceress in the kitchen, intellectually curious yet more than a bit simple, with no fear of hard work and no concept of money management. She comes from a farming family with ample land, reliable crops, and never enough cash in a village of solid teak houses near the center of what I call the 3-P Triangle of Phitsanulok, Petchabun, and Phichit. Her family's treatment of me is diffident at best (that would also describe my own treatment of them), but there is no question that our half-caste child is a beloved member of their family. Our five years together, with the occasional crack-up and reconciliation, has been an education for both of us. I don't know how I would advise someone wishing to duplicate my somewhat dubious "success", and not sure how I would proceed were I miraculously offered a do-over. I know I would have been very unlikely to find such a deeply proud woman dancing in a bar or working as a hostess, which is not to say that she wouldn't have happily married for money or even settled for a mia noi role had the proper terms been on offer before she met me.

I'm not saying it is impossible to meet sincerely nice women in bars here, but to expect a girl from that setting to stop seeing you as a mark is akin to believing the used car salesman is your friend because you've had a beer or two together; he might honestly think you're a great guy when he is taking your money, but he is still not going to mention the cracked engine block. If you fall in love with one of the local pros by all means savor the emotion to the fullest, but take a cue from locals and find some detachment as true Buddhist would. Parting is sweet sorrow, much, much sweeter than the sorrow awaiting those don't depart. And here is some advice to those thinking of sending money post-departure; consider folding your $100 bills/50-pound notes into little paper airplanes and tossing them from a high window. Watching your money soar away on the wind is surely more thrilling than transmitting it down a wire, and brightening the day of anonymous passerby is at least as satisfying as buying a new TV for a mother in Isaan and keeping "uncle's" Mekong supply stocked up.

[QUOTE=Sanook D]Well, if a guy is intent on hooking up "long time" (more than week) with a girl from Isaan, I would recommend at least finding a nice Khmer girl. There is much better chance, though certainly no guarantee, that she'll at least have a soul (by which I mean she might not be a total sociopath).

As to the fascination of some other guys with the "hi-so" (what a contemptible arriviste locution) Teochew chickies, I really don't get it, other than the possibility that, having internalized the prejudices of modern Thai society, the company of the pale-skinned Thai Eloi relieves somewhat the sense of self-loathing that accompanies the perpetual outsiderdom of the permanent farang resident- "Look at me, I'm connected, I'm accepted." What's the difference between the Benz-flaunting whiter-than-Caucasian Thai rentier class and their Isaan slaves? The former have more money, plus the good manners to pick their noses in private (usually) and chew with their mouths closed (maybe a bit less than usually); good luck finding any difference in terms of morality, honesty, or empathy. They represent nothing more than the opposite ends of the income spectrum in a society staunchly proud of its inherent corruption and violence; scratch through the veneer, be it brand-name sophistication or charmingly insouciant vulgarity, and in either case find a tribalistic mercenary cryptofascist imp beneath.

So what choices does that leave the farang foolishly seeking something real in the Land of Illusion? (Leave aside the pointlessness of such attempts.) In my case, good fortune, although it has not always felt that way, has entrusted me to the care of a tall, very dark, square-shouldered, straight-nosed, emotionally uncomplicated, fiercely loyal, darkly jealous central Thai. She's the dedicated mother of our child, a mink in the sack, and a sorceress in the kitchen, intellectually curious yet more than a bit simple, with no fear of hard work and no concept of money management. She comes from a farming family with ample land, reliable crops, and never enough cash in a village of solid teak houses near the center of what I call the 3-P Triangle of Phitsanulok, Petchabun, and Phichit. Her family's treatment of me is diffident at best (that would also describe my own treatment of them), but there is no question that our half-caste child is a beloved member of their family. Our five years together, with the occasional crack-up and reconciliation, has been an education for both of us. I don't know how I would advise someone wishing to duplicate my somewhat dubious "success", and not sure how I would proceed were I miraculously offered a do-over. I know I would have been very unlikely to find such a deeply proud woman dancing in a bar or working as a hostess, which is not to say that she wouldn't have happily married for money or even settled for a mia noi role had the proper terms been on offer before she met me.

I'm not saying it is impossible to meet sincerely nice women in bars here, but to expect a girl from that setting to stop seeing you as a mark is akin to believing the used car salesman is your friend because you've had a beer or two together; he might honestly think you're a great guy when he is taking your money, but he is still not going to mention the cracked engine block. If you fall in love with one of the local pros by all means savor the emotion to the fullest, but take a cue from locals and find some detachment as true Buddhist would. Parting is sweet sorrow, much, much sweeter than the sorrow awaiting those don't depart. And here is some advice to those thinking of sending money post-departure; consider folding your $100 bills/50-pound notes into little paper airplanes and tossing them from a high window. Watching your money soar away on the wind is surely more thrilling than transmitting it down a wire, and brightening the day of anonymous passerby is at least as satisfying as buying a new TV for a mother in Isaan and keeping "uncle's" Mekong supply stocked up.[/QUOTE]


Nicely put.

If you born into a poor Thai family as a guy, you will either:

-sell drugs

-rob something or someone

-become a cabbie in Bkk to rob tourist or make measly commission convincing them to go to B-rated massage parlors, expensive seafood restaurants with bad food, and/or jewelry shop

-you will try to convince tourists that you're their friend by recommending that they buy gems at lower prices and making big money by selling the rocks for a profit in their home country

-you will introduce your pretty cousin from issan to your new tourist friends. Of course your "cousin" charges 3000B to spend the night, but you tell the tourist it cost 6000B.

If you are born as a girl in a poor Thai family, you will

-sell your body in a go-go bar, massage parlors

-fall in love with a loser Thai guy and give him money that you made on your back

-lie to your many sponsors, stating how much you love each one

-try to convince yourself that your "customer" is your lover

-bring your farang bf to issan and convince him to build you a house. You give the land and he has to build the house. It only seems fair..50/50 , right.

-tell your farang boyfriend that your Thai BF is your Brother / Cousin / Uncle

-send money back home to your parents, who will spend in on lucky numbers and Thai whisky

-pay for a Male prostitute to fuck you to make you feel like a pretty woman. ( sleeping with hairy old farangs everyday can be a little depressing).

-you will have one or two customers who really cares, but they will figure out the lies sooner or later.

-when your time is up at the bar. You will be force to stand on the street ( Suk) or under a coconut tree ( Pattaya).

Overall life is tough in a 3rd world country, where there are a bunch of temples and monks. Boys and girls go to school in uniforms and are taught not to lie and steal. But hey the Thais have to eat, too.

[QUOTE=Andybkk]
Overall life is tough in a 3rd world country, where there are a bunch of temples and monks. Boys and girls go to school in uniforms and are taught not to lie and steal. But hey the Thais have to eat, too.[/QUOTE]

You left out...end up working in a beauty parlour, or becoming a mammasan (if shrewd enough).

You're wrong. In, fact boys and girls are taught, at least indirectly that it's perfectly acceptable to lie and steal. It's central to the culture, whether rich or poor.

[quote=old thai hand]you left out. end up working in a beauty parlour, or becoming a mammasan (if shrewd enough).

you're wrong. in, fact boys and girls are taught, at least indirectly that it's perfectly acceptable to lie and steal. it's central to the culture, whether rich or poor.[/quote]correct. cheating, lying, pilfering (beginning with stealing shoes in school) is key to survival here. there is no understanding of "if/then" whatsoever. period.

oth and oah, can i ask you a question?

i mean i am about as caustic as they come as far as discussing thai people, i agree with both of you most of the time, but you guys both really do take the cake.

i know it's none of my business, so consider this purely as a hypothetical, no answer required, but: what in the holy fuck are you doing here?

did you lose all your dough on a bad roulette spin in vegas, are you running from the heat/boogie man/ex-wife in your home countries, or do you just love being bummed out and want to intimidate others into joining your company of pissed old fucks? at some point along the line have you looked into the possibilities, of say, malaysia or cambodia?

you sound like those geriatric walk-up apartment shut-ins in boston, sneakily peeping out their lace window curtains at 3:30pm and swearing under their breath at the jr high kids coming home from school every day. you know what? those kids can see you, they really can. guys, something else you should know, and doctors will tell you this. you get a brain tumor from that shit.

But considering some of the scum US and European men you see in Bangkok, really poor gits who have, it seems, no education, no morals and no sense of respect, it can actually make you like the poor Thai's...........at least they are in general "nicer people" than some of the trash you see in Bangkok and Pattaya on "holiday".

[QUOTE=Andybkk]If you born into a poor Thai family as a guy, you will either:

-sell drugs

-rob something or someone

-become a cabbie in Bkk to rob tourist or make measly commission convincing them to go to B-rated massage parlors, expensive seafood restaurants with bad food, and/or jewelry shop

-you will try to convince tourists that you're their friend by recommending that they buy gems at lower prices and making big money by selling the rocks for a profit in their home country

-you will introduce your pretty cousin from issan to your new tourist friends. Of course your "cousin" charges 3000B to spend the night, but you tell the tourist it cost 6000B.

If you are born as a girl in a poor Thai family, you will

-sell your body in a go-go bar, massage parlors

-fall in love with a loser Thai guy and give him money that you made on your back

-lie to your many sponsors, stating how much you love each one

-try to convince yourself that your "customer" is your lover

-bring your farang bf to issan and convince him to build you a house. You give the land and he has to build the house. It only seems fair..50/50 , right.

-tell your farang boyfriend that your Thai BF is your Brother / Cousin / Uncle

-send money back home to your parents, who will spend in on lucky numbers and Thai whisky

-pay for a Male prostitute to fuck you to make you feel like a pretty woman. ( sleeping with hairy old farangs everyday can be a little depressing).

-you will have one or two customers who really cares, but they will figure out the lies sooner or later.

-when your time is up at the bar. You will be force to stand on the street ( Suk) or under a coconut tree ( Pattaya).

Overall life is tough in a 3rd world country, where there are a bunch of temples and monks. Boys and girls go to school in uniforms and are taught not to lie and steal. But hey the Thais have to eat, too.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]In, fact boys and girls are taught, at least indirectly that it's perfectly acceptable to lie and steal. It's central to the culture, whether rich or poor.[/QUOTE]Where do they learn this? In Thai Culture 101?

I assume that there are laws against theft in Thailand just as there is in every other nation on earth.

One day I was walking around with a bag that I forgot to zip and a Thai woman went out of her way to inform me of it rather than help herself to something inside.

In the laundry sent out from my hotel room I've forgotten some valuables in a pocket of my clothing and had them returned rather than stolen.

I've found store workers, like those in grocers and 7-11's, to be so honest that I don't bother to count my change anymore.

Even with all the P4P ladies who've cum to visit me, I can't recall any item ever being pinched, not even the most insignificant thing.

The maids who cleaned my rooms every day I'd trust with five figures. In fact, BTW, I've even had a P4P regular repay me the same.

It would not surprise me at all if theft is more rampant in the West.

both old thai hand and andybkk are too cynical and jaded for their own good. if you are that disenchanted with thailand you have been here too long and it may be time to move on if you still have a country you can go back to. the thais are no worse than any other nationality and far better than some. it's a hard life in the sex trade and girls who don't grow a tough shell won't survive long. i don't live here, but have visited several times over the years and have lived in and visited many other poor countries in asia and africa. i have never met a working girl who tried to convince herself that any of the farang men she goes with love her. she knows the score. western men tend to treat women better than thai or indonesian or mongolian or kazakh or african men, and she knows that too.

i wouldn't want to be a prostitute and i wouldn't want my either of daughters to become one, and i know that life can be tough, especially at the lower end of the market (someplace few of us have ever been - ever seen the cages in mumbai or the truck stops on the south africa-zimbabwe border?). a lot of girls in thailand have no choice, having effectively been sold by their families to the bangkok pimps. the pay is low and the work can be hard. last week i was with a lovely girl in jakarta. of the $30 i paid the house, she got to keep $9. i gave her another $10 as a tip.

but working as a bar girl may be preferable to being married to a brute of a guy who [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] you and keeps you pregnant until your tits hang down to your knees and beats you when he is not out spending the money for the kids' food on women and drink. it's not the greatest set of choices in the world, but faced with a life like that i'm not sure i wouldn't start turning tricks. the girls form some true friendships among themselves, and some of the more enlightened bar owners and mamasans treat the girls reasonably well. as a farang client if you treat the girls with respect and tip them generously, you aren't making their lives worse and you may make them marginally better.

i have met a lot of local girls in a girlfriend-type relationship with farang men and have been in a few such relationships myself. i find that both parties get something positive out of it. the girl is treated well and gently and generously and the guy has someone who caters to his desires and takes care of him and can overlook his protruding belly and ear hair in a way that no american woman would. there is nothing sinister about this. it may not be love, but it ain't bad.

[quote=joe friday 60]both old thai hand and andybkk are too cynical and jaded for their own good. if you are that disenchanted with thailand you have been here too long and it may be time to move on if you still have a country you can go back to. the thais are no worse than any other nationality and far better than some. it's a hard life in the sex trade and girls who don't grow a tough shell won't survive long. i don't live here, but have visited several times over the years and have lived in and visited many other poor countries in asia and africa. i have never met a working girl who tried to convince herself that any of the farang men she goes with love her. she knows the score. western men tend to treat women better than thai or indonesian or mongolian or kazakh or african men, and she knows that too.

i wouldn't want to be a prostitute and i wouldn't want my either of daughters to become one, and i know that life can be tough, especially at the lower end of the market (someplace few of us have ever been - ever seen the cages in mumbai or the truck stops on the south africa-zimbabwe border?). a lot of girls in thailand have no choice, having effectively been sold by their families to the bangkok pimps. the pay is low and the work can be hard. last week i was with a lovely girl in jakarta. of the $30 i paid the house, she got to keep $9. i gave her another $10 as a tip.

but working as a bar girl may be preferable to being married to a brute of a guy who [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] you and keeps you pregnant until your tits hang down to your knees and beats you when he is not out spending the money for the kids' food on women and drink. it's not the greatest set of choices in the world, but faced with a life like that i'm not sure i wouldn't start turning tricks. the girls form some true friendships among themselves, and some of the more enlightened bar owners and mamasans treat the girls reasonably well. as a farang client if you treat the girls with respect and tip them generously, you aren't making their lives worse and you may make them marginally better.

i have met a lot of local girls in a girlfriend-type relationship with farang men and have been in a few such relationships myself. i find that both parties get something positive out of it. the girl is treated well and gently and generously and the guy has someone who caters to his desires and takes care of him and can overlook his protruding belly and ear hair in a way that no american woman would. there is nothing sinister about this. it may not be love, but it ain't bad.[/quote]
oth and andybkk are too cynical and jaded for their own good. you got that bit right. but the rest.....what relevance do the prostitution networks in mumbai and southern africa have to the ones in thailand? and families selling their offspring into prostitution in bangkok? do you have any proof of this? it never used to be like that, but i rarely punt there anymore.

[quote=barko] you get a brain tumor from that shit.[/quote]

maybe or maybe not, actually sporadic ranting can be therapeutic. andy rooney has been ranting on 60 minutes for ages and it seems to have worked out well for him. however, i agree this is way over the top. what started off as honest analysis has turned into (falang and) thai bashing 101, to make matters worse, others are now joining the band. you just have to wonder where this is going and just what is the ultimate point of it as it relates to this sex board?

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Where do they learn this? In Thai Culture 101?

I assume that there are laws against theft in Thailand just as there is in every other nation on earth.

One day I was walking around with a bag that I forgot to zip and a Thai woman went out of her way to inform me of it rather than help herself to something inside.

In the laundry sent out from my hotel room I've forgotten some valuables in a pocket of my clothing and had them returned rather than stolen.

I've found store workers, like those in grocers and 7-11's, to be so honest that I don't bother to count my change anymore.

Even with all the P4P ladies who've cum to visit me, I can't recall any item ever being pinched, not even the most insignificant thing.

The maids who cleaned my rooms every day I'd trust with five figures. In fact, BTW, I've even had a P4P regular repay me the same.

It would not surprise me at all if theft is more rampant in the West.[/QUOTE]

I've been robbed a couple of times by bargirls in the past, who've lifted what amounted to trinkets from my apartment. But, generally, Thais a honest when it comes to the situations you describe.

So, "steal" as such was probably the wrong word to use. More accurately, Thai students are taught that getting things the easy way; through corruption or stealing someone else's work or ideas is a perfectly normal thing to do. I encounter this attitude on a daily basis. For example, it's nothing for a dozen students to hand in the identical assignment (word for word) in class, which one copied from the Internet, while the rest copied from him. I see them sitting in class copying out another student's work, oblivious to the ethical issue. They are so blatant and uncreative about it, that they are easily caught. But, when caught, and given a '0', they don't understand what they did wrong. This way of thinking extends all the way up to Thai academics who steal research and publish it as their own. If you think of the huge amount of intellectual property rights violation in this country, it shows that it's considered perfectly acceptable to 'steal' (in that sense). This isn't just the shady guys on the street copying DVDs and Prada bags. The Thai media industry routinely use creative material without paying royalties, or images of Western celebrities, without permission.

They hate thinking. So, if they can avoid it by stealing someone else's hard work and efforts, they'll do it without any guilt, whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Joe Friday 60]Both Old Thai Hand and Andybkk are too cynical and jaded for their own good.

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I don't live here, but have visited several times over the years and have lived in and visited many other poor countries in Asia and Africa. [/QUOTE]

Right, so you're a tourist. It does not really matter how many times you have visited, as long as you do not have to Put up with Thai People at work on a daily basis, you will never know.

I have been here for 4 years working and socializing with them and trust me, I see things very differently than even 2 years ago. OTH adn AndyBKK might sound jaded, but they're not very far from the truth

No one starts out anywhere being jaded, coming to anyplace within the world and take the attitude that I going to fuck this bastard over. But like anywhere else shit happens right! and we always ask why me?

I didn't come to Thailand to be ripped off and with my damn luck that is exactly what happen not once but twice. Now did I come here thinking yeh I'm a ATM, kick me and the money will come out? Fuck No!

But something is funny, I get ripped off, try to get it back the legal way and people look at me and treat me like what the fuck are you doing? I go after them too hard and they treat and look at me like I'm the criminal. Then I do it my way the hardway the way I think they would understand it. I bring 6 guys to the guy house at 9PM at night, knock on the door, and the family starts crying. We pick the guy up nicely sit him down in front of the family and explain how the real world works. The family starts telling my family why is he doing this he doesn't need the money! I just shake my head thinking I guess I came to Thailand to to be fucked over like I'm the criminal. I just came here to take care of the my family!

People like myself and OTH, whatever our reason our choice come here to take care of business we didn't go looking for the problem. Now you guys that are on vacation or tourist that come here and blast us for bitching better look in the mirror first and realize that your own life is not perfect otherwise you wouldn't be doing what you yourself is doing across the Pacific or Atlantic! If we want to vent let us vent and if you want to hear it come to this thread. If you don't click to another thread but don't try to take our right away!

LBM

LBM

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]One girl said that there is a guy which is more expensive (4,000) but apparently his dick does not go down the whole night... he can fuck/come, fuck/come until the early hours of the morning (I guess we have found the LOCAL Rabbit).[/QUOTE]

Who said I was local?

There is a local place in Pattaya, somewhere near Soi 13/4 near the New Orleans haven't been there and I can't get a job there because the job can only be filled by a Thai National. The place is staff with Bi-sexual or Gay Thai's to service horny housewives or ugly or big Mammas that aren't getting it from their husband etc.. These Thai guy keep it up cause they load up on Viagra and other keep you going drugs that in the long run are harmful to ones health at those levels. They don't care as long as they get paid for it.
Now this is all hearsay from a couple of local Thai's!

I was thinking shit I would do it for free but I in no way would be keeping it up on day and night.

LBM

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Who said I was local?[/QUOTE]

No one.. you are the Overseas RABBIT
the Thai guy that fucks all night is the Local RABBIT ;)

and according to my lady staff, his dick stays hard the whole night (maybe he is pill-assisted?)

i was laughing my ass off last night while at the supermarket of emporium.

here was this young 40some farang (clearly a tourist) with his evening purchase.

the guy was good looking and i really think he could have found a much much better looking "lady for the night".

looking at some fruits, she was shouting at every expensive ones (cherries, strawberries, grapefruits, peaches) "i want try this, i want that" and when the man questionned her about "are you going to eat this?" she was giving him a nasty look.

she clearly had the upper-hand and i felt bad for what looked like a nice guy being played like a puppet by a heavily tatooed, ugly face 40kg tg.

the 3 thai guys wrapping the fruits were amused and probably made fun of him because when they caught my eye they could not help but chuckle.

that guy probably ended up buying 10k of groceries.

maybe she wanted to make him pay for the fact that he had bargained her fee from 3k to 1k lt?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]The guy was good looking and I really think he could have found a much much better looking "lady for the night".[/QUOTE]

I am still amazed at the type of girls that guys are going out with in public. Granted I've picked some girls that were not beautiful but seriously some guys really go out with some butt ugly ladies and they seem happy to do so.

I keep looking at the ladies guys are pulling, looking at the girl I am with, and wonder if folks think she is butt ugly also in their mind. At least in my mind the current girl has all her teeth (straight ones too), no tattoo's, goes to a real university, and has a life plan.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]...She clearly had the upper-hand and I felt bad for what looked like a nice guy being played like a puppet by a heavily tatooed, ugly face 40kg TG...[/QUOTE]
In his mind, she's probaby an angel in heaven compared to the fat ugly shrew he keeps back at home with the kids in Farang land. :D

[quote=nicfrenchy]i was laughing my ass off last night while at the supermarket of emporium.

here was this young 40some farang (clearly a tourist) with his evening purchase.

the guy was good looking and i really think he could have found a much much better looking "lady for the night".

looking at some fruits, she was shouting at every expensive ones (cherries, strawberries, grapefruits, peaches) "i want try this, i want that" and when the man questionned her about "are you going to eat this?" she was giving him a nasty look.

she clearly had the upper-hand and i felt bad for what looked like a nice guy being played like a puppet by a heavily tatooed, ugly face 40kg tg.

the 3 thai guys wrapping the fruits were amused and probably made fun of him because when they caught my eye they could not help but chuckle.

that guy probably ended up buying 10k of groceries.

maybe she wanted to make him pay for the fact that he had bargained her fee from 3k to 1k lt?[/quote]

she could have perhaps been his wife, which is even sadder.

i witness this type of spectacle on a weekly basis at carrefour. it astounds me the butt-ugly, not to mention rude, old hags some guys marry and what's worse have children with. the majority of thai shoppers at carrefour stare at these couples with a mixture of extreme bewilderment, slight trepidation and mild contempt. my gf and i sometimes get the same stares, but in reverse. thais look at us, and i'm sure wonder what a girl who looks like she does is doing with such a butt-ugly, not to mention rude, old geezer like me.

the farang guys look at me, then my gf, then their butt-ugly, rude hags and i'm sure think, "i drank too much singh-a and settled too quickly for the first thing that looked my way, that first night i arrived in bangkok. damn! where can i get me one of those?" at which point, his lovely wife, seeing him oggling my gf, screeches at him to hold their howling mutt of a kid.

[quote=daddy07]in his mind, she's probaby an angel in heaven compared to the fat ugly shrew he keeps back at home with the kids in farang land. :d[/quote]

oh, i don't know...some of these thai "brides" that i see guys stuck with could really make them wax nostalgic for the "white whale" they left back home.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]They hate thinking. So, if they can avoid it by stealing someone else's hard work and efforts, they'll do it without any guilt, whatsoever.[/QUOTE]Just an aside, I was in Long Gun about three months ago, hooked up with a very hot little spinner. Bought 2 drinks each and one chaser Heine for myself, that's it.

Turns out the little spinner's older sister was a bartender, 180 degree difference from the little one, dog fucking ugly, hard to look at her without turning my head with a wince and coughing a "whoa" out of the side of my mouth. And, obviously, she not liking that I was doing her little sister, not one bit.

Quickly barfined the spnner short time. Got her out and upstairs fast, ready to bang the holy living shit out of this one I was thinking to myself. Well. The fucking chick didn't do anything! I mean absolutely NOTHING, no taking off shoes, no taking off clothes, no shower, no nothing! I pleaded and prodded, teased and cajoled, but started feeling really fucking strange (reported here on ISG.) After ten minutes of watching the girl sit on the bed, looking at her cell phone, and stare at me, rolling her eyes from time to time and obviously waiting for something, I, without saying a word, woozily threw a grand on the bed and stumbled out the door then literally fell into the back seat of a taxi.

I was fucked up for three days. Slept, dizzy as shit, hard to hold head up. Couldn't eat anything, just laid in bed in the condo wondering if I was going to die.

Went back to LG the following weekend, walked straight to the back and asked mama if the same two sister chicks were there. In Thai, I told her that I thought I had been drugged and related the episode. She quietly sat me down in the upper booth type area, big smiles everywhere, told me that those girls were now gone, sent a waitress over, then wandered back over to her hang out spot to plant her elbow on the bar and talk to one of the waitresses. Looking back at her a minute later, I saw that she was giving me the hardest pinched eyed devil stare I have ever seen in Thailand. I had obviously fucked by saying something, and, I left. Pronto.

I know that there are members here that are close with the people that run that place. Any comments?

No matter what they tell you in the bars, magazines, online or otherwise, this shit still does happen in Thailand, and I was lucky enough to have been a very very bad boy in my youth and seemingly could handle the dose without quickly passing out. BTW, there is a major upsurge of this in Tokyo and Seoul lately, I wonder if the trend is making its way here.

OK: If it's easy, they will do you. If it's not, they just move on to the next mark. Don't make it easy for them, or you very well may suffer the consequences. East to say, and it's been a long time since I got hit (camera in Chiang Mai) but I have never forgotten. Thievery of any kind here, from some kid stealing your flip flops, to that HiSo dude taking the 10 million Baht you paid for your condo then running out of the country. The stuff is ingrained, seemingly acceptable, and a major part of the landscape.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] More accurately, Thai students are taught that getting things the easy way; through corruption or stealing someone else's work or ideas is a perfectly normal thing to do. I encounter this attitude on a daily basis. For example, it's nothing for a dozen students to hand in the identical assignment (word for word) in class, which one copied from the Internet, while the rest copied from him. I see them sitting in class copying out another student's work, oblivious to the ethical issue. They are so blatant and uncreative about it, that they are easily caught. But, when caught, and given a '0', they don't understand what they did wrong. This way of thinking extends all the way up to Thai academics who steal research and publish it as their own. If you think of the huge amount of intellectual property rights violation in this country, it shows that it's considered perfectly acceptable to 'steal' (in that sense). This isn't just the shady guys on the street copying DVDs and Prada bags. The Thai media industry routinely use creative material without paying royalties, or images of Western celebrities, without permission.

They hate thinking. So, if they can avoid it by stealing someone else's hard work and efforts, they'll do it without any guilt, whatsoever.[/QUOTE]

Isn’t also the case that in Thai society appearance matters, not substance? You get a prominent wealthy situation because of who you are, from what family you were born etc. You only need to go through the moves of attending the right university and getting a degree not because you need to learn much but because it is an important social rite.

I guess that Thai academics need to have work published under their name. It does not matter that they write it themselves or pilfer it from somebody else. Hardly anybody will read it anyway.

It is really still a medieval society. There is a ruling class that is defined by blood line, not by ability and certainly not by merit. What I find amazing in this context is that there are still Thai companies that are run by Thai people, that there are Thai surgeons, Thai airline pilots, Thai central bankers, etc. Some of them at least seem to know what they are doing and do not appear to be completely phoney.

[QUOTE=Seydlitz]What I find amazing in this context is that there are still Thai companies that are run by Thai people, that there are Thai surgeons, Thai airline pilots, Thai central bankers, etc. Some of them at least seem to know what they are doing and do not appear to be completely phoney.[/QUOTE]

I think that there are some very hard-working, competent, self-made, (if heartless and ruthless) Thais, especially running Thai businesses. The problem is that the gene pool has become drastically weaked with their children.

Having had everything handed to them on a silver platter, having never had to work a day in their lives, having never had to face the consequences for sometimes unethical and immoral actions (being caught cheating at school and having Daddy bride the administrators) will guarantee they are a generation of ineffectual, spoiled lay-abouts. Just look at Taksin's son. He was so bad, that he got thrown first out of Chula, and later out of the lowly Ramkhamhaeng University for cheating on exams (in this case Daddy was told to "stuff it" when he tried to bribe the university chancellor). How did Taksin discipline his son on the immorality of his actions? He threw a load of money at him and set him up as an instantly successful photographer.

I teach a lot of these kids, and many have such a complete lack of basic morality and ethics, and a total disregard for working hard to achieve something, that it makes the current corruption endemic in the society seem tame.

There's no such thing as "Pride in a job well-done" here. It's more like gloating when you manage to pull the wool over somebody's eyes and win something for nothing.

OTH
I am inclined to agree with you in some instances but not all Thais are like this. In some respects the lower socioeconomic level of Thai society does not have a choice but to work hard. Also some of the things you say are universally applicable - Fall of the Roman Empire, the Happsburgs and American in the 21st Century!
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[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I think that there are some very hard-working, competent, self-made, (if heartless and ruthless) Thais, especially running Thai businesses. The problem is that the gene pool has become drastically weaked with their children.

Having had everything handed to them on a silver platter, having never had to work a day in their lives, having never had to face the consequences for sometimes unethical and immoral actions (being caught cheating at school and having Daddy bride the administrators) will guarantee they are a generation of ineffectual, spoiled lay-abouts. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Barko]
OK: If it's easy, they will do you. If it's not, they just move on to the next mark. Don't make it easy for them, or you very well may suffer the consequences. [/QUOTE]

Yep, that's why, even in Gogos, I order bottled water and I want to open the bottle myself.
The problem is, these cats are smart, the lady could well be rubbing the "substance" on her tits so that when you take a whiff: you're fucked ;)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Yep, that's why, even in Gogos, I order bottled water and I want to open the bottle myself.
The problem is, these cats are smart, the lady could well be rubbing the "substance" on her tits so that when you take a whiff: you're fucked ;)[/QUOTE]

The only time I suspect I was drugged in a bar was when my buddy and I took rather heavy swigs (upon being offered) or two of what a couple of the girls were drinking at a bar in Nana. It was mixed concoction, tasting of Mekhong, Red Bull, and Buddha knows what else. I was already in my cups, so to speak, or I wouldn't have done it. At any rate, it had the opposite effect of a knock-out drink; I wound up staying up all night, couldn't have slept if I'd wanted. Whatever was in there was much stronger than Red Bull. The night was followed by a two-day hangover, probably the result of my body taking that long to sweep up the dead neurons (my friend, who drove himself home, experienced the same effects). Most unpleasant, and needless to say, I from then on I've stuck with what's on the menu.

[QUOTE=Joe Friday 60]Both Old Thai Hand and Andybkk are too cynical and jaded for their own good.[/QUOTE]Yes, you're right. But like a fellow member stated I am not too far from the truth. I was told by a local girl how much you love me and how she will love me forever. I was young at the time (22), dumb, and full of cum, so I believed this Hi-So hottie, who was a virgin.

Well, to make a long strong short. After I worked my ass off, brought 2 homes in here, land, and stash away quite a bit of money. My angel decides to leave me for a local loser, whose passions are gambling and playing lucky numbers.

Of course, I was stupid enough to put everything in her name because the stupid ass Thai laws state that I can not put it in mine, so she ran away with a lot of my hard work, but above all else she ran away with my dream.

Now I am not a old ugly beer belly guy. I am 30, good looking guy. Maybe even better looking then the guy she ran off with.

Now I am leaving with a former Nana bar girl, turned university student, and future lawyer. She is a hottie too, but I get bored with her at times and she has given me the green light to go fuck around and have even gone with me to go-go bars and karaoke places. I don't give her any money, but pay for her schooling which comes out to 50,000B ever term ( 5 months).

She has attempted to get additional money from me but I tell her to not go down that path in on way or another.

She wakes up every morning and the first thing she does if I'm having morning glory is drain my juices.

She will either suck me or fuck me whenever I am horny, which happens about 5-10 times everyday. And besides from the above-mentioned all she gets from me is multi-O s each day.

Also she was an anal virgin, but has since given the pleasure of filling that hole.

I routine play mind games with her by telling her that I will be leaving her. I have on 3 different occasions dumped her, but after a lot of crying and pleading from her I stayed.

Recently her younger sister (19) from up north, who is just as hot as her, broke up with her Thai BF and need a place to stay. The sister was thinking about her various options of employment in Bangkok and I was asked to give my opinion. One of the options for the sister was to go work at Nana.

In the end, I've decided to take the younger sister in.

As far as additional expenses are concern, there really isn't much because she eats what we ( the two of us) eat. And is a rather simple her for being so hot. The sister doesn't complain about anything and doesn't ask for anything either.

I went down to Pratunam, wholesale clothing district and purchased some jeans and shirt for both of them. ( my first gift after saying with the older sister, 20, for a year and a half.) The prices were amazingly inexpensive. Jeans that would normally go for 300-500B where 150B.

Anyway, I just realized that I am rambling on on. So I will get to the point. Should I have sex with the younger sister? ( the older one has in one way or another hint that it was ok for me to make her sister a mia noi Lol)

Should I leave? Should I thank my lucky stars that I am living with two hot girls from Issan? Give me some inputs.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]
I routine play mind games with her by telling her that I will be leaving her. I have on 3 different occasions dumped her, but after a lot of crying and pleading from her I stayed.
[/QUOTE]

I think this is the key to the relative success of this relationship for you - ill treatment is almost always what wins hearts with the fair sex.

(this is true in any country or culture, not just Thailand)

[QUOTE=Opebo]I think this is the key to the relative success of this relationship for you - ill treatment is almost always what wins hearts with the fair sex.

(this is true in any country or culture, not just Thailand)[/QUOTE]Since my recent break up with my ex, I am using the fuck with their mind approach and it gets them off so badly, they crawl back asking for more of my liquid vitamin. I would recommend you guys try it if you are planning on staying here for a while or maybe you can do it into your home country.

This is the same approach that many dating coach teaches. The pull and push routine, will keep them wanting to win you over. The direct results of this is deep throat, anal sex, threesomes with your girl, and pretty much anything else you have on your mind because to her the precious few moments spent with you can end at anytime. I think this is why so many ugly broke guys back home ends up with the hotties chicks or the high school thug is able to hook up with the pretties cheerleader.

Oh, what a sad world we live in when all we do is play games. :)

When In doubt use the 4 F approach -

Find them
Finger them
Fuck them
Flee

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]Yes, you're right. But like a fellow member stated I am not too far from the truth. I was told by a local girl how much you love me and how she will love me forever. I was young at the time (22), dumb, and full of cum, so I believed this Hi-So hottie, who was a virgin.

Well, to make a long strong short. After I worked my ass off, brought 2 homes in here, land, and stash away quite a bit of money. My angel decides to leave me for a local loser, whose passions are gambling and playing lucky numbers.

Of course, I was stupid enough to put everything in her name because the stupid ass Thai laws state that I can not put it in mine, so she ran away with a lot of my hard work, but above all else she ran away with my dream.

Now I am not a old ugly beer belly guy. I am 30, good looking guy. Maybe even better looking then the guy she ran off with.

Now I am leaving with a former Nana bar girl, turned university student, and future lawyer. She is a hottie too, but I get bored with her at times and she has given me the green light to go fuck around and have even gone with me to go-go bars and karaoke places. I don't give her any money, but pay for her schooling which comes out to 50, 000B ever term (5 months).

She has attempted to get additional money from me but I tell her to not go down that path in on way or another.

She wakes up every morning and the first thing she does if I'm having morning glory is drain my juices.

She will either suck me or fuck me whenever I am horny, which happens about 5-10 times everyday. And besides from the above-mentioned all she gets from me is multi-O s each day.

Also she was an anal virgin, but has since given the pleasure of filling that hole.

I routine play mind games with her by telling her that I will be leaving her. I have on 3 different occasions dumped her, but after a lot of crying and pleading from her I stayed.

Recently her younger sister (19) from up north, who is just as hot as her, broke up with her Thai BF and need a place to stay. The sister was thinking about her various options of employment in Bangkok and I was asked to give my opinion. One of the options for the sister was to go work at Nana.

In the end, I've decided to take the younger sister in.

As far as additional expenses are concern, there really isn't much because she eats what we (the two of us) eat. And is a rather simple her for being so hot. The sister doesn't complain about anything and doesn't ask for anything either.

I went down to Pratunam, wholesale clothing district and purchased some jeans and shirt for both of them. (my first gift after saying with the older sister, 20, for a year and a half.) The prices were amazingly inexpensive. Jeans that would normally go for 300-500B where 150B.

Anyway, I just realized that I am rambling on on. So I will get to the point. Should I have sex with the younger sister? (the older one has in one way or another hint that it was ok for me to make her sister a mia noi LOL)

Should I leave? Should I thank my lucky stars that I am living with two hot girls from Issan? Give me some inputs.[/QUOTE]You don't need any "inputs" mate, just look in the mirror a bit more often and try to pump a little more hot air into that underinflated ego.

Reading stuff like this really makes me wish I could believe in karmic payback.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Yep, that's why, even in Gogos, I order bottled water and I want to open the bottle myself.

The problem is, these cats are smart, the lady could well be rubbing the "substance" on her tits so that when you take a whiff: you're fucked ;)[/QUOTE]Do you also drink straight from the bottle, or use the potentially drug laced glass they provide you?

Have there been any cases of people being fucked from just taking a whiff, or is it necessary to lick the drug?

If just a whiff would do it, I'd have to wonder if the girl with the stuff on her breasts would be susceptible to its influence.

Having read the reports about being rendered unconscious by licking the substance on a breast, I avoid that practice unless I know the lady has just had a shower and washed that area.

I have invited girls who spend the night at my place to go out and most of politely decline and so I got to the bottom of it. ( FYI:I am not a old fat ass monster)

Here's a list of reason working girls don't like to go out during the day. In no particular order. Source: A Thai working girl

- Afraid to get tan ( being of Tan skin tone is a big no no and look down upon by the Thais)

- Have a Thai boyfriend

- Afraid that friends would see them with a man because they have lied about having a regular job working as night manager of some company, etc.

- Embarrass to be seen with a white guy in public

- Their clothes is suitable for night time wear only. If they are seen in the day time they look like *****s in public. ( ironic isn't it)

- They did not sleep last night, but lay next to you while you snored away. So they want to go home to sleep

- They think your either old, fat, ugly, retarded, or all of the above and will be embarrass to be seen with you in public.

- They look like shit without the 2cm thick layer of make-up on.

- They're just plain old lazy and would rather doing everything on their back ( just joking I had to throw this one in there.)

I can't say I blame them there, AndyBkk. I can think of few things more tiresome than 'hanging out' with a hooker. Well I don't mind a 15 minute chat afterwards but anything beyond that is pointless.

Regarding the nipple-drugging that some of the well-heeled seem to fear - just don't bring any more money than one sex act costs, plus extras. In my case this means I normally don't go about with more than around 1,200 baht on me.

As a caveat - everyone does make mistakes, and just a few weeks ago I forgot and had something like 3,000 with me, and it was pilfered in a Soi Six upstairs while I was in the shower.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Do you also drink straight from the bottle, or use the potentially drug laced glass they provide you? [/quote]

In a Gogo? forget it mate, if you order bottled water, you get no glass ;)

[quote]Have there been any cases of people being fucked from just taking a whiff, or is it necessary to lick the drug? [/quote]

Well, these are things I have heard of, but my guess is that is happends more in the outdoor bars rather than Gogos

[QUOTE=Old Asia Hand]That's a very unfortunate linking, in my view. One appears to be both erudite and reflective, the other sounds like a halfwitted kid living his sex tourist fantasies. You decide which is which.[/QUOTE]

I haven't been called a 'kid' since my 87 y.o. mum died. Thanks. ;)

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]If you born into a poor Thai family as a guy, you will...[/QUOTE]

Actually, while your list was very entertaining, the vast majority of poor Thais, just like working class people anywhere, toil their whole life for their owners (and, strangely, with a high degree of conscienciousness, effort, and 'pride', pathetic though that may be).

[quote=Old Thai Hand]... it's nothing for a dozen students to hand in the identical assignment ... But, when caught, and given a '0', they don't understand what they did wrong. [/quote]

I'm just curious, why do you give them a '0'? I find it is better to go along with what is the norm in the mileiu in which one is a guest, particularly if one is being paid for the visit.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]I have invited girls who spend the night at my place to go out and most of politely decline and so I got to the bottom of it. ( FYI:I am not a old fat ass monster)

Here's a list of reason working girls don't like to go out during the day. In no particular order. Source: A Thai working girl

- Afraid to get tan ( being of Tan skin tone is a big no no and look down upon by the Thais)

- Have a Thai boyfriend

- Afraid that friends would see them with a man because they have lied about having a regular job working as night manager of some company, etc.

- Embarrass to be seen with a white guy in public

- Their clothes is suitable for night time wear only. If they are seen in the day time they look like *****s in public. ( ironic isn't it)

- They did not sleep last night, but lay next to you while you snored away. So they want to go home to sleep

- They think your either old, fat, ugly, retarded, or all of the above and will be embarrass to be seen with you in public.

- They look like shit without the 2cm thick layer of make-up on.

- They're just plain old lazy and would rather doing everything on their back ( just joking I had to throw this one in there.)[/QUOTE]

I would add couple of reasons.
- They know very well she is a barfine and not your GF.
If it is your Thai GF she would go out with you all the time.
- You are on vacation. She has been everywhere and done everything.
You maybe excited to see the temples which she has seen many times.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]I have invited girls who spend the night at my place to go out and most of politely decline and so I got to the bottom of it. ( FYI:I am not a old fat ass monster)

Here's a list of reason working girls don't like to go out during the day. In no particular order. Source: A Thai working girl

- Afraid to get tan ( being of Tan skin tone is a big no no and look down upon by the Thais)

- Have a Thai boyfriend

- Afraid that friends would see them with a man because they have lied about having a regular job working as night manager of some company, etc.

- Embarrass to be seen with a white guy in public

- Their clothes is suitable for night time wear only. If they are seen in the day time they look like *****s in public. ( ironic isn't it)

- They did not sleep last night, but lay next to you while you snored away. So they want to go home to sleep

- They think your either old, fat, ugly, retarded, or all of the above and will be embarrass to be seen with you in public.

- They look like shit without the 2cm thick layer of make-up on.

- They're just plain old lazy and would rather doing everything on their back ( just joking I had to throw this one in there.)[/QUOTE]


Ok. Now, you're just writing rubbish. I also suggest that you differentiate and say "BG report", as I somehow suspect you've never had any interaction with anyone but hookers from Isaan. I doubt you know anything at all about normal women here.

Also, as the new expert on everything, learn to differentiate between "North", which you keep referring to, when you mean Northeast".

Isaan, where you seem to get all your girls is Northeast. They are not Thai but Isaan-Lao or Isaan-Khmer with a smattering of Isaan-Vietnamese. They speak Isaan-Lao,(about 18 dialects), Isaan-khmer, or Passaa-Korat (a mixture of Isaan-Lao and central Thai). They have a different culture than the Thais. They also look different than Thais.

North is Lanna (Chiang Mai, Lampang, Kamphaeng Phet, Mae Hong Song, Chiang Rai etc.). They speak Northern dialect ("Sawasdee dee jaow"). Their culture is Lanna, not Thai. They also look different than Thais and are universally considered within the country to produce the most beautiful women.

You've been writing all these lists based on your "extensive" research into Thai culture. I would suggest the only Thai culture that you know is between Sukhumvit soi 4 and sukhumvit soi 23. The rest is a deep dark mystery to you.

Are you sure you're 30? You write like a 15 y.o. having a wet dream.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I'm just curious, why do you give them a '0'? I find it is better to go along with what is the norm in the mileiu in which one is a guest, particularly if one is being paid for the visit.[/QUOTE]

Actually, you're right. I just started a new semester and I've decided to just go with the flow. In the face of the overwhelming tendency to simple pass all students through regardless of effort, I decided that life is too short to try to instill anything approaching academic standards. I still get paid the same amount and everyone is happy.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Ok. Now, you're just writing rubbish. I also suggest that you differentiate and say "BG report", as I somehow suspect you've never had any interaction with anyone but hookers from Isaan. I doubt you know anything at all about normal women here.

Also, as the new expert on everything, learn to differentiate between "North", which you keep referring to, when you mean Northeast".

Isaan, where you seem to get all your girls is Northeast. They are not Thai but Isaan-Lao or Isaan-Khmer with a smattering of Isaan-Vietnamese. They speak Isaan-Lao,(about 18 dialects), Isaan-khmer, or Passaa-Korat (a mixture of Isaan-Lao and central Thai). They have a different culture than the Thais. They also look different than Thais.

North is Lanna (Chiang Mai, Lampang, Kamphaeng Phet, Mae Hong Song, Chiang Rai etc.). They speak Northern dialect ("Sawasdee dee jaow"). Their culture is Lanna, not Thai. They also look different than Thais and are universally considered within the country to produce the most beautiful women.

You've been writing all these lists based on your "extensive" research into Thai culture. I would suggest the only Thai culture that you know is between Sukhumvit soi 4 and sukhumvit soi 23. The rest is a deep dark mystery to you.

Are you sure you're 30? You write like a 15 y.o. having a wet dream.[/QUOTE]You're right I do write like a horny 15 y.o. and I think like one too. ( all I think about is sex)

And I should have titled the report better, but I guess I was thinking that the majority of the discussions on this forum is about working girls. If I was on a dating forum, I would have written reports differently because then the majority of the info would be on non-working good girls. Sorry!

I am merely relaying the info that was given to me by various girls that have slept at my place and decline to go out in the day light, but have no problem going out at night. And yes, the majority of them are working girls.

Would you prefer I not write my rubbish comments, which some viewers might read and think wow, he's right.

Disclaimer: I am living here, I like to pay for sex with a lot of girls, I like to write rubbish reports so that the newbies and those wishing to come to Thailand can get a glimpse of the real side of Bangkok. I know I have a crappy writing style couple with terrible grammar and spelling. My posts are the results of talking to Thai girls, Thai guys, university girls, and a result of my 1.5 years here.

If you love Thailand and think it's a perfect paradise and disagree with my posts then you can simply ignore them, otherwise you can comment about them and call me all the names you want. :) Thanks for reading.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]

Isaan, where you seem to get all your girls is Northeast. They are not Thai but Isaan-Lao or Isaan-Khmer with a smattering of Isaan-Vietnamese. They speak Isaan-Lao,(about 18 dialects), Isaan-khmer, or Passaa-Korat (a mixture of Isaan-Lao and central Thai). They have a different culture than the Thais. They also look different than Thais.

[/QUOTE]

You do write a lot of crap sometimes!

"They are not Thai" Of course they are!

They may speak with different dialects, they may have been brought up in rural villages rather than polluted cities and they may have darker skin than your preferred Bangkok girls but Thai they most certainly are. And as regard to culture, yes it is different, but in my opinion preferable!

Throughout the UK, people speak with different dialects depending on where they live. Even the Geordies, the Liverpudlians and the Scots all of whom are difficult to understand if you come from London and the south are 100% British. The same is probably true with all western countries.

[QUOTE=Bumholes1]You do write a lot of crap sometimes!

"They are not Thai" Of course they are!

They may speak with different dialects, they may have been brought up in rural villages rather than polluted cities and they may have darker skin than your preferred Bangkok girls but Thai they most certainly are. And as regard to culture, yes it is different, but in my opinion preferable!

Throughout the UK, people speak with different dialects depending on where they live. Even the Geordies, the Liverpudlians and the Scots all of whom are difficult to understand if you come from London and the south are 100% British. The same is probably true with all western countries.[/QUOTE]

No. You're wrong. I'm not expressing opinion here. I'm reporting factual information.

They are NOT ethnically Thai. The Thais only come from the central region of the country and originated as the Tai in China. They also exist as the Tai or Dai in North Vietnam. The concept of "Thainess" was imposed on the country by the ruling Thais, in the 1940s in order to suppress cultural identity, and homogenize the people into one artificially-created identity in order to better control them. This has been one of the main causes of Thai racism in the last 60 years. This is why there is a strong move afoot to change the name of the country back to Siam, in order to, in fact recognize the ethnic and cultural diversity of at least 35 distinct groups.

I can tell you that my GF, who comes from Isaan does not consider herself Thai, and considers the Thai culture that was forced on her in school, and as depicted in the Thai media, to be alien to her real culture. Isaan is not a dialect of Thai, it is a separate language that few people in the rest of the country can understand. Go to an Isaan movie like "Yam Yasothon", and you'll note that there are Thai subtitles for everyone else in the country.

As for the Lanna culture in the north: They view themselves as completely different from anyone else in the country. They routinely speak a language that is maybe at best understood only about 50% by most Thais. They were forced militarily to become part of the country less than 100 years ago when King Rama V sent death squads to assassinate the Lanna Royal Family, who managed to escape into exile to Luang Prabang in Laos.

My comments, as you mistakenly imply are not meant to demean Isaan, but in fact to recognize its uniqueness as a completely separate entity within what is in fact a cultural polyglot, and not one disitinct culture called "Thai".

Your comparison to the dialects of England is not valid. The comparison might only begin to become valid, if you looked at Britain at around the 6th-11th centuries, when it was made up of ethnically and culturally distinct groups which have long since melded, more or less together. As an aside, I very much doubt if the Scots consider themselves as part of Britain, except politically and economically.

You can think of Thailand more like the former Yugoslavia. That would be a more accurate comparison.

Also, your comment about darker skin shows either a prejudice, a generalization and/or a lack of in-depth knowledge about the diversity of Isaan people. Darker skin is prevalent in Khmer-dominant Buriram, and Surin and sourthern parts of Udon Thani, for example. But, if you go to places like Nakhon Phanom, or Mukdahan, you'll find people who are quite light-skinned or even white. The lighter they are the purer Lao they are. Although, in Mukdahan, you also get some very light-skinned people who have Vietnamese blood in them. The various looks of just Isaan people, alone shows quite a varied influx of different ethnicities over the centuries.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]
And I should have titled the report better, but I guess I was thinking that the majority of the discussions on this forum is about working girls. If I was on a dating forum, I would have written reports differently because then the majority of the info would be on non-working good girls. Sorry![/QUOTE]

That would be fine except that, firstly there are many on this forum who are interested in Thailand beyond the very limited scope of your experience and the experience of the P4P scene. Secondly, you recklessly refer to things as if they are generally true, when in fact they may be true only in that same narrow sphere of experience.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]
Disclaimer: I am living here, I like to pay for sex with a lot of girls, I like to write rubbish reports so that the newbies and those wishing to come to Thailand can get a glimpse of the real side of Bangkok.[/QUOTE]

Again, this is what I'm talking about. What you write about is not the "real side of Bangkok", but about a narrow corridor between Nana and Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]
My posts are the results of talking to Thai girls, Thai guys, university girls, and a result of my 1.5 years here.
[/QUOTE]

1.5 years? Dude, you're still in stage one - The "I can't wait to get down to the bars and pick up another new slapper" stage. I was here 2 1/2 years before I finally got bored with and out of that opening phase of the expat experience. There's a big world out there, beyond the P4P scene.

I wouldn't mind any of your posts at all, as some are quite entertaining, if you had said initially that you were only writing about one very small portion of life in Bangkok of interest to newbies etc. Except that you have arrogantly set yourself up as some broad expert on Thailand and Thai girls, when in fact you know shit about either.

University girls? Where? Ramkhamhaeng? (poor girls, "reformed" bargirls and the like - no money) Silpakorn, Mahidol, King Monghut? (upper middle class - mix of new and old merchant class money), Bangkok U? (rich girls - new money) Chula, Thammasat, (rich girls - old money)

There are university girls and then there are "UNIVERSITY GIRLS"?

I've spent about 9 hours with about 50 UNIVERSITY GIRLS this week. Very informative.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]You've been writing all these lists based on your "extensive" research into Thai culture. I would suggest the only Thai culture that you know is between Sukhumvit soi 4 and sukhumvit soi 23. The rest is a deep dark mystery to you.[/QUOTE]Please do not discriminate against soi 33.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...I can tell you that my GF, who comes from Isaan does not consider herself Thai, and considers the Thai culture that was forced on her in school, and as depicted in the Thai media, to be alien to her real culture. Isaan is not a dialect of Thai, it is a separate language that nobody in the rest of the country can understand...[/QUOTE]I always enjoy it when my Isaan girlfriends refer to their home turf as "my country..."

And of course, for the benefit of those of us who understand a little Thai, the crafty [i]daughters of Isaan[/i] often conduct telephone conversation in [i]paasa Isaan[/i] to guarantee their privacy.

Thanks Prof. OTH, it's like a Social Geography lesson! Interesting discussion all around.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]And of course, for the benefit of those of us who understand a little Thai, the crafty [i]daughters of Isaan[/i] often conduct telephone conversation in [i]paasa Isaan[/i] to guarantee their privacy.[/QUOTE]

Which is why they really get pissed off if you understand Isaan. It's their "secret code" and the last bastion of privacy. Even Thais can't understand them.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Which is why they really get pissed off if you understand Isaan...[/QUOTE]I just as soon not know what a [i]paasa isaan[/i] conversation is about if a woman doesn't want me to. Letting her blow off steam or hatch a plan is one way of keeping her half sane around the apartment. There's an amazing pacifying effect that a mobile phone conversation, and/or a cable television show, can have on a busy, and/or tired, Thai "working" woman.

I think these women put up with a lot of crap from their customers (if P4P), their bosses (at work, mamasans, etc.), and their families (ma & pa, "sisters," etc.), and need a little space from time to time. I'm not tying to gloss over the fact that most of them are constantly cooking up something aimed at self-enrichment, but if it doesn't involve grabbing me [i]too[/i] hard, I don't especially care.

There was a post by a ISG member named PosterLion back in March of this year that made me look at my bargirl friends in a different light. It's entitled, "I could be playing rummy but I’d rather be pensively reflective". I think I'll read it again.

the link: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=855082&postcount=243[/url]

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...Ramkhamhaeng? (poor girls, "reformed" bargirls and the like - no money) Silpakorn, Mahidol, King Monghut? (upper middle class - mix of new and old merchant class money), Bangkok U? (rich girls - new money) Chula, Thammasat, (rich girls - old money)[/QUOTE]

There are actually quite a few middle class people (well, more like very upper-middle class or local capitalist class), and Isaan people who attended Chula or Thammasat. Most of my Thai friends are this type, some from Isaan, some Central, but none are [i]really[/i] rich. They're just the extremely bright, nerdy types, so it seems they can worm their way in, just like a few climbers do at Harvard and Yale.

But I do agree with your list, in general. Just that I end up knowing a lot of exceptions.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]University girls? Where? Ramkhamhaeng? (poor girls, "reformed" bargirls and the like - no money) Silpakorn, Mahidol, King Monghut? (upper middle class - mix of new and old merchant class money), Bangkok U? (rich girls - new money) Chula, Thammasat, (rich girls - old money).[/QUOTE]

You work in this field so you know most so I got some questions...

Rangsit is also decently expensive for thai standards from what I understand, it's private is it not (non govt.)? And while Ramkhamhaeng is dirt cheap and anyone who can breathe can get in, some of their studies are hard to finish. Meaning it's a piece of cake to get in but hard to finish and complete some of their programs. That's a Govt. run university is it not?

Mahidol is one of the higher govt schools yes or no? That is where I have lectured at times and do some work at as well as Mekong Institute. Ramkhamhaeng I've done some items with the Sports Authority of Thailand over that way so I know some about that one on a larger scale and they are completing a whole new business building now.

I've just dated girls from Rangsit and Ramkamhaeng. :D

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]You can think of Thailand more like the former Yugoslavia. That would be a more accurate comparison.[/QUOTE]
:eek: are you suggesting that things may be about to move beyond the control of the local mafiosa/old money? There doesn't appear to be any faction pushing for this inside Thailand. The push in Yugo came from the outside. What are you suggesting?

I am looking for a good way to find nice and good freelancer women in BKK. Internet would be great because I could try to reach them before I come to BKK next weekend.

Can somebody recommend websites of give other help to me???

Many thanks in advance.

3 is of another thai girl talking to a "boyfriend/sponser" while with another guy

And 4 is hidden cam video of the girl in the room before.

[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPmeih9522s[/url]

[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW96esh1ZVA[/url]

Interesting stuff about what Thai chicks do

[QUOTE=Carsten71]I am looking for a good way to find nice and good freelancer women in BKK. Internet would be great because I could try to reach them before I come to BKK next weekend.

Can somebody recommend websites of give other help to me???

Many thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

Right, what exactly are you looking for? Prostitutes or the occasional dating site with (supposedly) good girls?

If you want your garden variety Prostitute freelancing then here you go:

- Beergarden Soi 7
- New Wave Pool Bar soi 7
- Gullivers soi 5
- Thermae
- CM2
- Nana hotel Parking lot
- Macdonalds at the bottom of Robinsons soi 19

If you want a dating site:

- Thai love Links [url]http://www.thailovelinks.com[/url]
- Thai Friend finder [url]http://asiafriendfinder.com[/url]
- bangkok matching [url]http://www.bangkokmatching.com[/url]

But the above websites are worthless unless you pay for the gold package where you are able to send adn receive messages.
Be careful as many prostitutes also use these sites

You can also try your luck with Hi5, Facebook, Camfrog

[QUOTE=Opebo]There are actually quite a few middle class people (well, more like very upper-middle class or local capitalist class), and Isaan people who attended Chula or Thammasat. Most of my Thai friends are this type, some from Isaan, some Central, but none are [i]really[/i] rich. They're just the extremely bright, nerdy types, so it seems they can worm their way in, just like a few climbers do at Harvard and Yale.

But I do agree with your list, in general. Just that I end up knowing a lot of exceptions.[/QUOTE]

I think very much the exception, rather than rule.

When I used to teach at Chula, I had exactly 2 students from Isaan, out of perhaps 600+ students over 3 years.

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier] are you suggesting that things may be about to move beyond the control of the local mafiosa/old money? There doesn't appear to be any faction pushing for this inside Thailand. The push in Yugo came from the outside. What are you suggesting? [/QUOTE]You got IT ALL WRONG. Check the facts of history first before speaking up. The former republic of Yugoslavia did break up because of the independence declaration of Slovenia that got borders with Italy and Austria, very soon after followed by Croatia and the wish of Macedonia to leave the union of Yugoslavia. If not check a bittorrent download like tpb and download the BBC squeal of six documentary of the breakup of Yugoslavia to sort out the facts.

And yes, OTH, are not completely wrong on this issue. My wife have been watching it too. All six. And her conclusion as a High School teacher are the same. She says this could be Thailand one day.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]You work in this field so you know most so I got some questions...

Rangsit is also decently expensive for thai standards from what I understand, it's private is it not (non govt.)? And while Ramkhamhaeng is dirt cheap and anyone who can breathe can get in, some of their studies are hard to finish. Meaning it's a piece of cake to get in but hard to finish and complete some of their programs. That's a Govt. run university is it not?

Mahidol is one of the higher govt schools yes or no? That is where I have lectured at times and do some work at as well as Mekong Institute. Ramkhamhaeng I've done some items with the Sports Authority of Thailand over that way so I know some about that one on a larger scale and they are completing a whole new business building now.

I've just dated girls from Rangsit and Ramkamhaeng. :D[/QUOTE]


The saying about Ramkhamhaeng is that it's easy to get in, but hard to finish. I'd say that has more to do with the personal motivation of their students, than the difficulty of the coursework. It is a government open university.

Rangsit is private and a middle ranked school. Many of its Thai programs, especially in Communication Arts are quite good.

Mahidol, a government university is in the top 5 unis and is very difficult to get into. It has probably the best medical school in Thailand.

All government universities are moving towards becoming autonomous, which is scaring the shit out of a lot of the Thais because suddenly they will leave the safety of lifetime government employment and will now be held accountable (to a point). A lot of incredibly incompetent people who shouldn't go anywhere near a university are now likely going to lose their jobs because they can't hide anymore.

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier] are you suggesting that things may be about to move beyond the control of the local mafiosa/old money? There doesn't appear to be any faction pushing for this inside Thailand. The push in Yugo came from the outside. What are you suggesting? [/QUOTE]You got IT ALL WRONG. Check the facts of history first before speaking up. The former republic of Yugoslavia did break up because of the independence declaration of Slovenia that got borders with Italy and Austria, very soon after followed by Croatia and the wish of Macedonia to leave the union of Yugoslavia. If not check a bittorrent download like tpb and download the BBC squeal of six documentary of the breakup of Yugoslavia to sort out the facts.

And yes, OTH, are not completely wrong on this issue. My wife have been watching it too. All six. And her conclusion as a High School teacher are the same. She says this could be Thailand one day.

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]:eek: are you suggesting that things may be about to move beyond the control of the local mafiosa/old money? There doesn't appear to be any faction pushing for this inside Thailand. The push in Yugo came from the outside. What are you suggesting?[/QUOTE]You got IT ALL WRONG. Check the facts of history first before speaking up. The former republic of Yugoslavia did break up because of the independence declaration of Slovenia that got borders with Italy and Austria, very soon after followed by Croatia and the wish of Macedonia to leave the union of Yugoslavia. If not check a bittorrent download like tpb and download the BBC squeal of six documentary of the breakup of Yugoslavia to sort out the facts.

And yes, OTH, are not completely wrong on this issue. My wife have been watching it too. All six. And her conclusion as a High School teacher are the same. She says this could be Thailand one day.

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]:eek: are you suggesting that things may be about to move beyond the control of the local mafiosa/old money? There doesn't appear to be any faction pushing for this inside Thailand. The push in Yugo came from the outside. What are you suggesting?[/QUOTE]

No. I merely meant that like Yugoslavia, Thailand is an artificial entity made up of ethnically diverse peoples and what were, not that long ago either semi-autonomous regions or completely independent kingdoms.

The central Thais, like the Serbs in Yugoslavia hold it together by 1/ money and economic control, 2/ military power, 3/ political control 4/ educational control.

There exists a considerable undercurrent of resentment among the groups who are not part of the ruling class. The recent unrest is only the tip of the iceberg.

But, there is also considerable antipathy between ethnic groups and regions.

The most obvious example is the on-going war in the south: Muslim, ethnically Malay vs. Buddhist, ethnically Thai elite. Part of the root of this war goes back centuries to the old southern kingdoms like the Kingdom of Pattani, forceably subjugated by the current Chakri dynasty.

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]:eek: are you suggesting that things may be about to move beyond the control of the local mafiosa/old money? There doesn't appear to be any faction pushing for this inside Thailand. The push in Yugo came from the outside. What are you suggesting?[/QUOTE]You got IT ALL WRONG. Check the facts of history first before speaking up. The former republic of Yugoslavia did break up because of the independence declaration of Slovenia that got borders with Italy and Austria, very soon after followed by Croatia and the wish of Macedonia to leave the union of Yugoslavia. If not check a bittorrent download like tpb and download the BBC squeal of six documentary of the breakup of Yugoslavia to sort out the facts.

And yes, OTH, are not completely wrong on this issue. My wife have been watching it too. All six. And her conclusion as a High School teacher are the same. She says this could be Thailand one day.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] Mahidol, a government university is in the top 5 unis and is very difficult to get into..[/QUOTE]

Both of my 'real girlfriends' in Thailand studied at this one.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]The saying about Ramkhamhaeng is that it's easy to get in, but hard to finish. I'd say that has more to do with the personal motivation of their students, than the difficulty of the coursework. It is a government open university.

Rangsit is private and a middle ranked school. Many of its Thai programs, especially in Communication Arts are quite good.

Mahidol, a government university is in the top 5 unis and is very difficult to get into. It has probably the best medical school in Thailand.

All government universities are moving towards becoming autonomous, which is scaring the shit out of a lot of the Thais because suddenly they will leave the safety of lifetime government employment and will now be held accountable (to a point). A lot of incredibly incompetent people who shouldn't go anywhere near a university are now likely going to lose their jobs because they can't hide anymore.[/QUOTE]

I teach at two of the (perceived superior) Bangkok universities. While I would like to think that there is this amount of change coming, I just don't see it.

Likewise with the comment that there is "an undercurrent of resentment" among the disenfranchised. Maybe I am spending my time with "the haves" but I see little change coming in Thailand. I wish I felt otherwise, but the peasants here are pretty conservative.

More likely, in my view, is the other countries in the region will leave Thailand further and further behind as development and change happen there. I hope that my sense of things is wrong, but Thailand and change do not fit in my mouth at the same time.

[QUOTE=Biz99]I teach at two of the (perceived superior) Bangkok universities. While I would like to think that there is this amount of change coming, I just don't see it..[/QUOTE]

I don't get why you and OTH are so eager to see your workplaces become more demanding. Working for the government, in a bureacracy, with little accountability is [i]a dream job[/i].

[QUOTE=Biz99]More likely, in my view, is the other countries in the region will leave Thailand further and further behind as development and change happen there. I hope that my sense of things is wrong, but Thailand and change do not fit in my mouth at the same time.[/QUOTE]
No worries about the Philippines leaving Thailand behind. It's more corrupt and, with 7,000+ islands, there are huge difficulties in mobilizing any sustained political movements. The people are equally or perhaps more passive, poverty more rampant, and nothing ever changes.
GE

[QUOTE=Opebo]I don't get why you and OTH are so eager to see your workplaces become more demanding. Working for the government, in a bureacracy, with little accountability is [i]a dream job[/i].[/QUOTE]


If you can leave your standards behind, it is a dream job. The big problem is when you measure things against what they could be, as opposed to what they are, and if you set the bar at any height you will be frustrated.

[QUOTE=Biz99]I teach at two of the (perceived superior) Bangkok universities. While I would like to think that there is this amount of change coming, I just don't see it.

Likewise with the comment that there is "an undercurrent of resentment" among the disenfranchised. Maybe I am spending my time with "the haves" but I see little change coming in Thailand. I wish I felt otherwise, but the peasants here are pretty conservative.

More likely, in my view, is the other countries in the region will leave Thailand further and further behind as development and change happen there. I hope that my sense of things is wrong, but Thailand and change do not fit in my mouth at the same time.[/QUOTE]

I basically agree with you. I've spent far too much time with the 'haves', as well, in the last 5 years, to believe that major change will come anytime soon. But, nevertheless, there still is "an undercurrent of resentment" and it's huge. There isn't the harmony in this country that the 'haves' would have everyone believe, despite their best efforts to keep the masses sedated and under control through mind-numbing pseudo-nationalism. There's also a lot of regional and ethnic racism and resentment despite the best efforts of the institutions of this country to create a national identity. The whole notion of "Thainess" is just a facade.

[QUOTE=Biz99]If you can leave your standards behind, it is a dream job. The big problem is when you measure things against what they could be, as opposed to what they are, and if you set the bar at any height you will be frustrated.[/QUOTE]

You also have to swallow your pride and kiss a lot of Thai ass, never rock the boat and watch quietly as they take credit for your accomplishments.

This is why I've switched to part-time from being full-time at these "venerable" (tongue firmly placed in cheek) institutions. You can just go in, teach and leave without getting dragged down by the pettiness, gossiping, and back-stabbing politics. You make more money this way, as well and as long as the students like you, they pretty much leave you alone.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I basically agree with you. I've spent far too much time with the 'haves', as well, in the last 5 years, to believe that major change will come anytime soon. But, nevertheless, there still is "an undercurrent of resentment" and it's huge. There isn't the harmony in this country that the 'haves' would wish for in order to keep the masses sedated by pseudo-nationalism and under their control. There's also a lot of regional and ethnic racism and resentment despite the best efforts of the institutions of this country to create a national identity. The whole notion of "Thainess" is just a facade.[/QUOTE]

Shoot, there is huge resentment and racism going on. Basically I think it is more of a powder keg then you folks do. The High Society and Bangkok Elites will do what they can to hold onto power but as some stated, maybe it was FonTok, most isaan people consider up north a separate country. Down south is a totally different story and country in itself. NorthWest is a totally separate issue.

With the work I do, I see thailand holding together on a shoe string and we are afraid to enter into any agreements for the last year, and when we are close to any agreements there is a change in political leadership so we have to start all over. Look at the turmoil in the government over the past two years to see who can remain in control, there is way too many interests for one group to run the country right now.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I don't get why you and OTH are so eager to see your workplaces become more demanding. Working for the government, in a bureacracy, with little accountability is [i]a dream job[/i].[/QUOTE]

While I cannot speak for OTH and the other Thai univ profs, it can be rather disappointing for those who love working in academia to be stuck in universities that lack standards and support students who feel entitled to degrees their low-achieving records notwithstanding. Now, I would rather work at a univ than not; however, I have had my share of the student who should not be there. Also, you learn much when you work with good students who want to learn and share their knowledge. This is a universal thing, not limited to Thailand. Believe me.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]You also have to swallow your pride and kiss a lot of Thai ass, never rock the boat and watch quietly as they take credit for your accomplishments.

This is why I've switched to part-time from being full-time at these "venerable" (tongue firmly placed in cheek) institutions. You can just go in, teach and leave without getting dragged down by the pettiness, gossiping, and back-stabbing politics. You make more money this way, as well and as long as the students like you, they pretty much leave you alone.[/QUOTE]You can quote me on this OTH.

The Thais fuck up everything, yes everything.

So, think about it, all business is simply wrapped around "Find a need and fill it", right? So, the Thais try to have the Thais fix it, but then it just gets much worse. After letting them try to fix it 3 times, it is totally FUBAR.

Therefore, if you are the REAL "fixer", you become god. Get in, fix it, get out. Don't make friends, don't let them call you in the middle of the night, and make sure they pay you at least 50% in a bank transfer up front. Cash ain't nothin but trash, they never cough up what they say they are. Also, make sure that you can fuck the thing up again real fast if they don't pay the rest, and, make sure that they know it too.

Learn how to make that face with a tight brow like you feel so sorry for them, and that tight little smile, you know, like: Jeezuz you people are sooo fucking retarded, I want to laugh at you, but I really just want your money. If you want it done right, shut up, pay up, and stay the fuck out of my way." Yeah, you know, THAT look. Just remember NOT to roll your eyes when they start with all of their lame motherfucking money excuses. Just say, "Oh, excuse me, I have a call about another contract, shall we talk again in a month or two? " Walk away and get in your car, then watch what happens. They'll call, they always do. They might hate you, but they will call.

Thais WILL NEVER EVER figure out that it's far better (and cheaper) to do it right from the beginning.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]No. I merely meant that like Yugoslavia, Thailand is an artificial entity made up of ethnically diverse peoples and what were, not that long ago either semi-autonomous regions or completely independent kingdoms.

The central Thais, like the Serbs in Yugoslavia hold it together by 1/ money and economic control, 2/ military power, 3/ political control 4/ educational control.

There exists a considerable undercurrent of resentment among the groups who are not part of the ruling class. The recent unrest is only the tip of the iceberg.

But, there is also considerable antipathy between ethnic groups and regions.

The most obvious example is the on-going war in the south: Muslim, ethnically Malay vs. Buddhist, ethnically Thai elite. Part of the root of this war goes back centuries to the old southern kingdoms like the Kingdom of Pattani, forceably subjugated by the current Chakri dynasty.[/QUOTE]
OK, I agree with you about the disparity within Thailand. I just interpreted (maybe mistakenly, I concede) that you were likening the current situation in Thailand to the one ten-or-so years ago in the former Yugoslavia, Buddha forbid!

[QUOTE=Gamle]You got IT ALL WRONG. Check the facts of history first before speaking up. The former republic of Yugoslavia did break up because of the independence declaration of Slovenia that got borders with Italy and Austria, very soon after followed by Croatia and the wish of Macedonia to leave the union of Yugoslavia. If not check a bittorrent download like tpb and download the BBC squeal of six documentary of the breakup of Yugoslavia to sort out the facts.

And yes, OTH, are not completely wrong on this issue. My wife have been watching it too. All six. And her conclusion as a High School teacher are the same. She says this could be Thailand one day.[/QUOTE]
We are discussing the similarity between the ethnic disparities of the former Yugo and the current Thailand. The Serbian mafia's subsequent brutally obscene, genocidal control of the fractured Yugo is only relevant to this discussion if we think that events in Thailand could pan out in a similar way in Thailand's regions.

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]We are discussing the similarity between the ethnic disparities of the former Yugo and the current Thailand. The Serbian mafia's subsequent brutally obscene, genocidal control of the fractured Yugo is only relevant to this discussion if we think that events in Thailand could pan out in a similar way in Thailand's regions.[/QUOTE]

Given that large segments of the country, especially south of Bangkok are run by various mafia warlords, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that turf wars couldn't break out that could escalate to full-blown factional violence in the right circumstances.

Does anyone have any Thai sites with listings of p4p girls? I saw a thing on the Thai news about these sites, but my Thai is not to the point where I can find these sites, so can you longer term resident help me out?

An interesting dialogue in response to my post about the current cost of sponsorship.

OTH's comment about a middle class girl is sound, however, how many 26 yo, hot, middle class girls want to have anything to do with a 50+ yo farang? How many want anything to do with a farang period? When they walk down the street with a farang, what do the locals think? IMHO, this is why most farang take the easy route with bargirls or naive poor country girls.

I do believe that TGs have a certain "magic" about them. The Isarn girls actually do practice a form of black magic to keep their men although this is surely hocus pocus. However, why do so many farang fall into the trap? IMHO, the TGs are probably the best actresses in the world.
I monger all over Asia and other parts of the world and Thailand by far has the highest incidence of this sponsorship albeit also a lot in China by overseas Chinese guys.

I would like to know why these girls have such a strong desire to support the whole family and why the families take advantage of this. How many of you would want your daughter or sister selling her ass in Pattaya?

I've been around awhile and not stupid enough to fall into the same trap that you "jaded" contributors on this thread warn us about. That said, I must say that I was very tempted recently by what I would also describe as TG magic. I want to believe that there are some genuine and sincere, poor TGs out there somewhere in the country. Is this not the case?

Just my POV.

OAH

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]..., how many 26 yo, hot, middle class girls want to have anything to do with a 50+ yo farang? How many want anything to do with a farang period?[/url]

Perhaps, but when they're 36, or 46, they'll be desperate for any male, even the despised farang. Women's sellable date is not more than 30 at the very maximum in Thailand (to Thai guys).

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]...why do so many farang fall into the trap? IMHO, the TGs are probably the best actresses in the world.[/quote]

No doubt. But it is important to remember [i]how bad it is in the rest of the world[/i]. In much of the world, men over 45 or 50 can no longer hope to inseminate young women - thus, they really have no reason to live, biologically or emotionally. So acting aside, the sex and paid girlfriend industry in Thailand is offering a service that is both in incredibly high demand and incredibly rare.

So basically the majority of guys come here in a state of desperation, and are thus easily duped or just confused.

Contrary to what many farangs think. It is acceptable for an educated Thai woman from a good family to marry a farang. As long as he has class, a good job or a lot of money, and status.

Take a look at Miss Universe 1988 Poy (a Thai) she married one of the Simon brothers (the family that owns the Mall of America in bloomington, MN. They had a huge wedding here in Thailand and no frowned on this.

There are many actors and actress who are mixed. Yes, babies of farangs and Thai are highly regarded because of their white skin and foreign looks.

In a conversation I had with a regular non working Thai girl, she told me that she and her friends are open to the idea of marrying a farang.

Everyone has to keep in mind that the majority of the population does not know about a go go bar, Nana, soi cowboy, or soapie massages. So they do not have the negative image of farang coming to Thailand only to buy sex. There are many people here on work visas working for large multi-nationals companies, so the majority of the Thai's think you're here for the forces of good.

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]
OTH's comment about a middle class girl is sound, however, how many 26 yo, hot, middle class girls want to have anything to do with a 50+ yo farang? How many want anything to do with a farang period? When they walk down the street with a farang, what do the locals think?
[/QUOTE]

When I arrived here 13 years ago, it was most definitely true that generally all Thais would assume a Thai girl with a Farang was a hooker.

But, as far more expats have come here to work and more significantly in my view, more Western students have come here to study, I think this automatic assumption is not the case anymore. But, it depends largely on how the Farang looks and acts, and more importantly, how the girl looks and acts.

While it may still be somewhat unusual for a regular 20-something TG to willingly want to be with a 40-50+ Farang guy, it happens more frequently than one would imagine. I'm a case in point and I don't think I'm atypical.

Still, it is true that the vast majority of young girls you see with older Farang are P4P or ex-P4P, because you're right, it's just easier for most guys. It's a challenge getting a regular Thai GF, and thus P4P is definitely the path of least resistance.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...It's a challenge getting a regular Thai GF, and thus P4P is definitely the path of least resistance.[/QUOTE]
Yes, perhaps it is quite a significant challenge for an older man getting a 20-something regular Thai GF, (yet even an old geezer like me can get it easily).

Surely it is also a major challenge to his finding much in common with her; a challenge putting up with all her juvenile nonsense; a challenge to the balance of his bank account; and a challenge to keep from being, (apart from the sex), bored to complete distraction in her constant presence.

So, of course, p4p is definitely the path of least resistance, as well as the path of least aggravation, the path of least financial loss, and the path to greater overall happiness and satisfaction in the LOS. :)

OTH,

To quote an old Bob Dylan tune, times change. Thais will often tell you that they can spot a TG WG immediately.

When I lived in Thailand, 1985-1995, I had a middle class Thai girlfriend. We lived together for 4 years. She worked for a foreign company and I did not give her any money every month albeit I did pay for everything else. She wanted the "better things in life", e.g. branded handbags, her own car (I paid the downpayment, she paid the installments), etc. and since she was with a farang that could afford these things, she expected them for face. We finally broke up since I would not agree to marry her. I was 40, she was 26.

Now, I find myself 14 years later, over 50, falling in love (or lust) with a TG from a poor upcountry family, also 26 yo. She has a normal job and Thai boyfriend in Bangkok which she leaves for Pattaya in seach of fortune to support her whole family. She arrives during the peak season and makes very good money. Although it has only been a few months, she has already become accustomed to the easy money, WG comradery and partying every night. Although I tried to convince her otherwise from the very beginning, I doubt she will ever go back to a normal life and job even though she is a college graduate. I offered her the same deal as I had before, find another normal job and I will pay everything else. She refused. She will continue to work in Pattaya and support her family until she finds a farang to do it for her at the income level she has become accustomed to or the going rate, whichever is greater. I passed.

OAH



[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]When I arrived here 13 years ago, it was most definitely true that generally all Thais would assume a Thai girl with a Farang was a hooker.

But, as far more expats have come here to work and more significantly in my view, more Western students have come here to study, I think this automatic assumption is not the case anymore. But, it depends largely on how the Farang looks and acts, and more importantly, how the girl looks and acts.

While it may still be somewhat unusual for a regular 20-something TG to willingly want to be with a 40-50+ Farang guy, it happens more frequently than one would imagine. I'm a case in point and I don't think I'm atypical.

Still, it is true that the vast majority of young girls you see with older Farang are P4P or ex-P4P, because you're right, it's just easier for most guys. It's a challenge getting a regular Thai GF, and thus P4P is definitely the path of least resistance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]OTH,

To quote an old Bob Dylan tune, times change. Thais will often tell you that they can spot a TG WG immediately.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely, at least in terms of the stereotypical ones. However, Thais likely wouldn't spot the occasional student/office-girl part-timer, as they generally look and act "normal".

Opebo,

Thais often refer to women that are approaching the age of 30 as on "the last train". This applies pretty much all over Asia. There is no shortage of girls over 30 that do not require any financial aid whatsoever. I have one or more of these relationships in nearly every country I travel to. That said, they are not in the stunner category and often come with baggage.

Just my POV.

OAH


[QUOTE=Opebo][QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]..., how many 26 yo, hot, middle class girls want to have anything to do with a 50+ yo farang? How many want anything to do with a farang period?[/url]

Perhaps, but when they're 36, or 46, they'll be desperate for any male, even the despised farang. Women's sellable date is not more than 30 at the very maximum in Thailand (to Thai guys).



No doubt. But it is important to remember [i]how bad it is in the rest of the world[/i]. In much of the world, men over 45 or 50 can no longer hope to inseminate young women - thus, they really have no reason to live, biologically or emotionally. So acting aside, the sex and paid girlfriend industry in Thailand is offering a service that is both in incredibly high demand and incredibly rare.

So basically the majority of guys come here in a state of desperation, and are thus easily duped or just confused.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Thais often refer to women that are approaching the age of 30 as on "the last train". This applies pretty much all over Asia. There is no shortage of girls over 30 that do not require any financial aid whatsoever. I have one or more of these relationships in nearly every country I travel to. That said, they are not in the stunner category and often come with baggage.[/QUOTE]What kind of a relationship is this? Do these ladies have regular jobs and are in it just for the sex? So a fuck buddy type of thing? If that is the case, why wouldn't they get it on with those of their own kind, culture and age instead of an elderly foreigner? Are they hoping for marriage?

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]What kind of a relationship is this? Do these ladies have regular jobs and are in it just for the sex? So a fuck buddy type of thing? If that is the case, why wouldn't they get it on with those of their own kind, culture and age instead of an elderly foreigner? Are they hoping for marriage?[/QUOTE]

Why would a Thai guy do an old lady like that? They have much better options. The vast majority of Thai guys have no interest in old women, and demand (and easily get) sweet young stuff. Basically if it weren't for foreigners or a few oddball Thais who like older women these ladies would never get laid.

I know several ladies of this sort, and they virtually never get any interest from Thai guys. On the rare occasion they do, it would only be a married guy, and only the most fleeting and humiliating of associations. Really their situation is pretty awful.

Of course the one caveat is that each and every Thai woman will only (very strictly) give it up to a man who is her social superior or equal. These old middle class broads in their 30s and 40s could of course easily get poor men to service them, but such an arrangement has no appeal to women anywhere, least of all Thais.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]What kind of a relationship is this? Do these ladies have regular jobs and are in it just for the sex? So a fuck buddy type of thing? If that is the case, why wouldn't they get it on with those of their own kind, culture and age instead of an elderly foreigner? Are they hoping for marriage?[/QUOTE]

Opebo has hit the nail on the head. These ladies do not have many options with their own kind.

Yes, they have regular jobs or are business women but I think most are looking for more than the sex. I am not sure I would describe them as only a "fuck buddy". These are women that I have met over the years in my travels around Asia. Most of them I've met through my business rather than in clubs or bars. They are between 30-40 yo. When I am in country, we spend time together in and out of the bedroom. I guess you would call it dating. I imagine they are hoping for marriage but I try to avoid the subject. One of them in Japan and another in China did get married last year. I need to find replacements. In most of Asia, an age difference of 15-20 years is not a big deal to a lot of women. When it is over 20 years difference or if the girl is younger than 30, it can become an issue.

Just my POV.

OAH

Hi everybody,

Just thought that I would share some experience with you. Also this is off course a reminder to all to take all the stories of "bad" girls seriously. As I did not. I have been had by an escort girl.

I met a beautiful young girl last August that I immediately fell for. She was working as on of the hottest escorts for bangkokgoldescorts. She was very different from any thai girl I had ever met. Never asked for money, denied to give money to her family when we met (yes they all tried.) and she stopped working the first day we met. Wow. Was this really love? I myself come from denmark. So when I say love, I really mean it. But was I to learn that "love" in thai has many other meanings! I visited her for 10 days every month from August to December last year. Everyday we talked on either webcam or phone. I decided to hire a detective to track her for about 1 month. Surprisingly there were no lies. Everything she did and told me was like she said. Wow. I had found a good girl! So I asked her if she wanted to come live with me. Yes this she really wanted as she felt that we already were like husband and wife. I managed to get her a longterm visa to denmark and she moved here January 5th. Everything was great, we have travelled in most of europe together, she started going to language school and we had passionate sex 2.3 times a day (no bullshit! ) The perfect life. We even visited Thailand (Bangkok) and her family and thai friends 4 times during January to may. Then the shit hit the fan. Her grandfather died 2 weeks ago. Her grandfather was the only family member that she was close to. I told her that I wanted her to go to the funeral but she didn't want me to come with her. Understanderble. So she left a Wednesday morning. She only packed for 7 days. She didn't call me back when she arrived. 1 day goes, 2 day goes by. And finally I text her to make sure that everything is ok. She replies that she is busy right now and that she will call me back. Ok. She doesn't. I call to ask her what the fuck is going on. I can feel something is wrong. I start looking at the website that I found her on and BAM! She is on it again. I confront her with it and she finally gives in and says that he started working escort again. Ok. She doesn't love, that I can respect. Goodbye. Then a couple of days go by and she texts me and she is obviously very upset with me and tells me that she loves me but she is working now as a prostitute and she cannot return. I think. That she is totally fucked up in the head. I try to tell her that if she really loves me, then she should return and we will work things out (inside I in fact was hoping that she would say no. But at the time I thought that it was the only really gentleman thing to offer.) She flips out and starts crying and then she hangs up. A couple of days later she says that she doesn't care about me and that she now has what she wanted. Curiously I have to ask. What that was? She was pregnant for the last 2 weeks and I was the father! Goddamn! She was just out of my system and now she returns again with this bomb. Well (gentleman and stupid) I again tell her that I think she should come back and we could start over together. She says that she doesn't care anymore. She will work escort and earn money and then she will go to her grandfathers farm in Phuket and become a farmer (hey. She is a pure bangkokgirl and university student. Farmer? ! ) So what is there left for me to do? I think that I have tried everything. Why does she need to tell me all this? . How come she cannot return when I offer it to her? Why the fuck are thai women so crazy fucked up in their head?

And last. Did this REALLY happen to me? !

Ps. For those of you who don't want to risk getting a girl pregnant doing bareback. She is still quite hot and she did me bareback first time we met. So hurry up before she becomes a phuket farmer!

How to get fucked by a thai girl - I never thought that it would happen to me! LOL!!

[quote]Hi everybody,

Just thought that I would share some experience with you. Also this is off course a reminder to all to take all the stories of "bad" girls seriously. As I did not. I have been had by an escort girl.

I met a beautiful young girl last August that I immediately fell for. She was working as on of the hottest escorts for bangkokgoldescorts. She was very different from any thai girl I had ever met. Never asked for money, denied to give money to her family when we met (yes they all tried.) and she stopped working the first day we met. Wow. Was this really love? I myself come from denmark. So when I say love, I really mean it. But was I to learn that "love" in thai has many other meanings! I visited her for 10 days every month from August to December last year. Everyday we talked on either webcam or phone. I decided to hire a detective to track her for about 1 month. Surprisingly there were no lies. Everything she did and told me was like she said. Wow. I had found a good girl! So I asked her if she wanted to come live with me. Yes this she really wanted as she felt that we already were like husband and wife. I managed to get her a longterm visa to denmark and she moved here January 5th. Everything was great, we have travelled in most of europe together, she started going to language school and we had passionate sex 2.3 times a day (no bullshit! ) The perfect life. We even visited Thailand (Bangkok) and her family and thai friends 4 times during January to may. Then the shit hit the fan. Her grandfather died 2 weeks ago. Her grandfather was the only family member that she was close to. I told her that I wanted her to go to the funeral but she didn't want me to come with her. Understanderble. So she left a Wednesday morning. She only packed for 7 days. She didn't call me back when she arrived. 1 day goes, 2 day goes by. And finally I text her to make sure that everything is ok. She replies that she is busy right now and that she will call me back. Ok. She doesn't. I call to ask her what the fuck is going on. I can feel something is wrong. I start looking at the website that I found her on and BAM! She is on it again. I confront her with it and she finally gives in and says that he started working escort again. Ok. She doesn't love, that I can respect. Goodbye. Then a couple of days go by and she texts me and she is obviously very upset with me and tells me that she loves me but she is working now as a prostitute and she cannot return. I think. That she is totally fucked up in the head. I try to tell her that if she really loves me, then she should return and we will work things out (inside I in fact was hoping that she would say no. But at the time I thought that it was the only really gentleman thing to offer.) She flips out and starts crying and then she hangs up. A couple of days later she says that she doesn't care about me and that she now has what she wanted. Curiously I have to ask. What that was? She was pregnant for the last 2 weeks and I was the father! Goddamn! She was just out of my system and now she returns again with this bomb. Well (gentleman and stupid) I again tell her that I think she should come back and we could start over together. She says that she doesn't care anymore. She will work escort and earn money and then she will go to her grandfathers farm in Phuket and become a farmer (hey. She is a pure bangkokgirl and university student. Farmer? ! ) So what is there left for me to do? I think that I have tried everything. Why does she need to tell me all this? . How come she cannot return when I offer it to her? Why the fuck are thai women so crazy fucked up in their head?

And last. Did this REALLY happen to me? !

Ps. For those of you who don't want to risk getting a girl pregnant doing bareback. She is still quite hot and she did me bareback first time we met. So hurry up before she becomes a phuket farmer! [/quote]Of course it didn't really happen to you. This is the biggest load of crap I've seen in a long time. First, why in god's name (yes, god should always be lowercase, because I'm never sure whose god I'm referring to) would she not want you attend her grandfather's funeral. You say it was the only family member she was close to. I would think that she would have insisted on your being there. What confirms that this is a fantasy is that there is no Thai girl that would forego a possible middle class life for life on a farm. The farm is what they are trying to escape.

[QUOTE=Chaz]How to get fucked by a thai girl - I never thought that it would happen to me! LOL!!

Of course it didn't really happen to you. This is the biggest load of crap I've seen in a long time. First, why in god's name (yes, god should always be lowercase, because I'm never sure whose god I'm referring to) would she not want you attend her grandfather's funeral. You say it was the only family member she was close to. I would think that she would have insisted on your being there. What confirms that this is a fantasy is that there is no Thai girl that would forego a possible middle class life for life on a farm. The farm is what they are trying to escape.[/QUOTE]Yes exactly my point! , but things have evolved since last. I managed to talk to some of her friends and family during the week. There wasnt any funeral. She had planned this even before she left. She had not been at all with her family. She had stayed with her partyfriends. That leaves the question. Why did she not bring back more of her stuff? I also managed to talk to her fro 30 secs on the phone to confirm this. And her answer was simply."I found out that I was pregnant and then I knew I got what I wanted. Can you send me my stuff."

Yeah and you are right. Isn't it what all thai girls want to get out of. The farm? . But let me tell you. I am sure that she really meant that part, because she has been talking about all the time, because it reminded her of the only place she ever was happy as a child.

So I am sorry to disappoint you. My story is true. Although it also took 3 days before I beleived it myself!

[QUOTE=Chaz]How to get fucked by a thai girl. I never thought that it would happen to me! LOL!

Of course it didn't really happen to you. This is the biggest load of crap I've seen in a long time. First, why in god's name (yes, god should always be lowercase, because I'm never sure whose god I'm referring to) would she not want you attend her grandfather's funeral. You say it was the only family member she was close to. I would think that she would have insisted on your being there. What confirms that this is a fantasy is that there is no Thai girl that would forego a possible middle class life for life on a farm. The farm is what they are trying to escape.[/QUOTE]Yeah I know this is my second answer to Chaz's post, but I must write more reports so that I can edit my own post quickly.

This is just an addendum to my former post, because I started to think about why Chaz didn't beleive me. I still really don't know why. But. I was only telling this story so that you guys could have a good laugh on my behalf. So why lie?

Well anyway, I need to clarify some things about my ex-thai-girlfriend.

- She NEVER lived on a farm (except holidays)

- She IS from a middleclass Bangkok family (her father and mother are divorced, but both live in their own fairly big townhouses in the city center)

- They STILL ask for money. Even at middleclass level. They must have thought that I was ULTRA rich.

- She has lied about almost everything about her past.

- She was married to another farang when I met her

- She has told me that she was thrown out by her mother when she was 15 and therefore has difficulties in committing to other people.(which I now beleive)

- She works in a highclass escort agency, so her income is slightly higher than the average prostitute.

- She still thinks as a 14 year old although she is 23.

And if you still have your doubts Chaz, I can tell that I am NOT a wifebeater, I am NOT an abuser, I am NOT an alkoholic or drug addict. I would say that I am quite an average family man. BUT I AM still a BIG questionmark on all what happened!

That is why I am sharing my story so I hope that some of you guy still are laughing about lifes small mysteries.

[QUOTE=Mbx0710]
- She NEVER lived on a farm (except holidays)
- She has lied about almost everything about her past.

still a BIG questionmark on all what happened!
[/QUOTE]

Have a close look at the quote, from your post, above. the bullet points weren't directly following each other, but they were in the same set of bullet points. All should become clear through the fog of love.


Ozirob

[QUOTE=Mbx0710]Hi everybody,

Curiously I have to ask. What that was? She was pregnant for the last 2 weeks and I was the father! Goddamn! She was just out of my system and now she returns again with this bomb.[/QUOTE]


Congratulations Dad to be! So what's your next move?

[QUOTE=Mbx0710]She was pregnant for the last 2 weeks and I was the father! Goddamn! She was just out of my system and now she returns again with this bomb. Well (gentleman and stupid) I again tell her that I think she should come back and we could start over together. She says that she doesn't care anymore. She will work escort and earn money and then she will go to her grandfathers farm in Phuket and become a farmer (hey. She is a pure bangkokgirl and university student. Farmer? ! ) So what is there left for me to do? I think that I have tried everything. Why does she need to tell me all this? . How come she cannot return when I offer it to her? Why the fuck are thai women so crazy fucked up in their head?

And last. Did this REALLY happen to me? ![/QUOTE]

There exists a book entitled, "My Name LON. You Like Me?" It is a good read.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]Congratulations Dad to be! So what's your next move? [/QUOTE] Hey Run Mann,

Thanks a lot! LOL. I am already decorating my soon-to-be-born's room. But I don't ever think I will see him/her.

So what do I do now? Well, I am really hoping that it is bs and that she just said it to hurt me. (the pregnancy) I will hopefully find out during the week. Oddly enough. The family and friends that I managed to contact are very friendly and almost apologetic. So I will have to see what comes out of that.

In fact my first thought was rather egoistic. I was going to book a long weekend trip to BKK and then I would try to bang as many thai women as possible in 3 days, just to make a point of it for myself.(about thai women and money). But. There must be better girls out there.! ? ! Right?

In fact I ended up driving 900 km's to a german FKK and spent the weekend there. Not bad at all, but thats a different story.

[QUOTE=Mbx0710]So what is there left for me to do? I think that I have tried everything. [/QUOTE]
Nothing. You have done everything and more- too much, really. She holds the cards at this point. You sound like a decent guy, don't let this make you crazy. If you want to meet a good woman here and have a kid it is certainly possible to do so, but trying to raise a kid here with someone so "so crazy fucked up in their head" is an invitation to an 18+ -year nightmare.

[QUOTE=Mbx0710]Why does she need to tell me all this?[/QUOTE]
You are being manipulated. Turn away. She will come to you because you can be useful to her.

[QUOTE=Mbx0710]risk getting a girl pregnant doing bareback. She is still quite hot and she did me bareback first time we met.[/QUOTE]

Sorry to be indelicate, but you and who else? My instincts and my experience in Thailand tell me that at some point in the future she will be back asking for money to support the child you assume is yours. That is when you start playing hardball, first by demanding a paternity test and, if the child is yours (or even if you don't care about that) visiting rights.

By showing your sensitivity and concern to this woman you seem to be attempting to appeal to her like you would a Western woman. Western women (particularly educated, cultured Scandanavian women) claim to prize men who show sensitivity and are willing to show weakness, but I think this runs counter to female instincts generally, and when it comes to Thais you should realize that they show little pretense in this regard- they don't respect any display of weakness, and will misinterpret sensititivity as weakness, the way farangs misinterpret Thai tolerance as approval. This sounds like the kind of woman for whom a display of weakness has the same effect as an offer of the jugular does to a wolf. You may not realize it, but you are in a battle. Either retire from the field or pick up a weapon.

[QUOTE=Mbx0710]Hey Run Mann,

Thanks a lot! LOL. I am already decorating my soon-to-be-born's room. But I don't ever think I will see him/her.
[/QUOTE]
Sadly there is a growing trail of abandoned bastards in Asia and all over the world. Let’s hope there is no baby, but if you do turn out be Dad, you not only get to see your baby but you also get to decorate his/her room and more.

[QUOTE=Sanook D]Nothing. You have done everything and more- too much, really. She holds the cards at this point. You sound like a decent guy, don't let this make you crazy. If you want to meet a good woman here and have a kid it is certainly possible to do so, but trying to raise a kid here with someone so "so crazy fucked up in their head" is an invitation to an 18+. Year nightmare.

You are being manipulated. Turn away. She will come to you because you can be useful to her.

Sorry to be indelicate, but you and who else? My instincts and my experience in Thailand tell me that at some point in the future she will be back asking for money to support the child you assume is yours. That is when you start playing hardball, first by demanding a paternity test and, if the child is yours (or even if you don't care about that) visiting rights.

By showing your sensitivity and concern to this woman you seem to be attempting to appeal to her like you would a Western woman. Western women (particularly educated, cultured Scandanavian women) claim to prize men who show sensitivity and are willing to show weakness, but I think this runs counter to female instincts generally, and when it comes to Thais you should realize that they show little pretense in this regard- they don't respect any display of weakness, and will misinterpret sensititivity as weakness, the way farangs misinterpret Thai tolerance as approval. This sounds like the kind of woman for whom a display of weakness has the same effect as an offer of the jugular does to a wolf. You may not realize it, but you are in a battle. Either retire from the field or pick up a weapon.[/QUOTE]Hey Sanook,

You could'nt be more right. I also think this is why I in the first place wanted to tell you guys my story. I guess I am the product of my mother's damn "be-a-man-like-a-girl-thinks-a-man-should-be" upbringing. LOL

But really, I also think that thai women (well most) should not be treated the same way as educated scandinavian women. I don't mean that you have to hit them, but you have to be hard/harsh to be respected, and don't ever ask for their opinion about something. In fact a man should be egoistic. I must learn to apply this attitude before my next ThaiGirl adventure.

And you are not indelicate. My first thought after I heard that she had returned to her old job was in fact." DAMN. I need a STD test! NOW! "

Well anyway, she is out of my internal system now and for now I will retire from the battlefield, but I will be ready to fight all the way. Not for visiting rights. But for denial! Haha.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]Sadly there is a growing trail of abandoned bastards in Asia and all over the world. Let’s hope there is no baby, but if you do turn out be Dad, you not only get to see your baby but you also get to decorate his/her room and more.[/QUOTE]Yes! I finally got it confirmed. She is not pregnant!

I finally had a long talk with her and made her calm down and she admitted that it was all (the pregnancy part) a desperate lie from her.

She is so fucking stupid. She made a contract with the escortagency that will bind her for years and years with the threat of them (escortagency) exposing her work to family, friends and normal work colleagues if she does not fulfill the contract. She said something about that she got 40000 baht up front to sign a contract that she would at least bring back 1.500.000 baht to the agency the next year or two. Wow. That is a LOT of spreading her legs!

Apparently a lot of these so-called "intelligent" university attending girls are conned into this kind of contract. I also dated another escort from another of the 2 most talked about agencies here on the Thailand board. It was the same with her. She could not commit to a monogamous relationship because she was bound by a similar type of contract. (when you "date" an escort, you don't pay money to the agency for sex.! , but don't worry. You WILL use the same amount on food and gifts and cashloans. LOL)

What the hell are they thinking about? And how can they be so naiive. I mean. EVERYBODY knows that a normal job in Thailand cannot give them money enough so they can buy all that clothes, jewelery and cell phones that these girls use, so either they are sponsored by one or more foreigners or they are selling their bodies. Can't thai people see this? It is SO OBVIOUS! I mean also where I come from here in scandinavia, it is obvious that young single girls who have a gigantic shopping budget can be either in one of two situations. Either their family are filthy rich or they are selling their bodies. And when it is obvious that the family's most expensive active is the trailer they live in. Well.

Is it isaan black magic that makes the women fear the escortagency more than death? Or is a Thai escort agency just another eastern european [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] setup? !

I know a really beautiful girl (not sexually) who worked in a french company in BKK. She was engaged to a young, rich and succesfull arkitekt from germany whom she has just married (1.000.000 baht Sin Sot!. Plus a wedding with 383 thai guests! )

Everything is laid out for her. No worries. She has a normal office job at 20000 baht/month. But she gets extra 5000 baht/month to be available for the Thai CEO. In fact she is in love with the french daily manager. Same time she will go home with you from Spicy if you offer her 5000 baht, if not you can meet her as an escort.

So here we have a situation were this drop dead gorgeous girl (25 yrs) with all possibilities in her future.

1. Is married, everything in Thailand paid for by her husband (30000 baht appartment on upper Suk and a lot of spending money on top).

2. 25000 Baht salary. And she fucks her Thai boss 2-3 times a month.

3. She is passionately in love with her french daily manager, who she also fucks on a regulary basis.

4. She will take home anyone who offers her 5000 baht at Spicy and fuck you crazy.

5. You can order her as an escort.

I asked her. What are you saving up for? LOL! She didn't have any savings. She used every baht each month on herself!

Just my thoughts.

Have a great weekend!

I will go again to Frankfurt and live in a FKK for the next 2 days!

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[QUOTE=Mbx0710]Yes! I finally got it confirmed. She is not pregnant!

I finally had a long talk with her and made her calm down and she admitted that it was all (the pregnancy part) a desperate lie from her.[/QUOTE]Maybe that's a lie too. Can you trust anything she says.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Maybe that's a lie too. Can you trust anything she says.[/QUOTE]Ha..ha... Thank you PinkPearl for making me nervous again! LOL..

But you are so right about that anything coming out of her mouth is probably a fat lie.

so I in fact did some research also on the subject.

One of my friends were in Bangkok 1 week ago and he ordered a session with her from bangkokgold. He made a private deal with her to meet her next day for some dating. (with money involved off course) He did her bareback a couple of times and at the end of the day she was desperately looking for a pharmacy to get a "the-day-after-pill" (I don´t really know the medical name for this pill) So...my thoughts are....why would she be desperate to get a birthcontrol pill if she was already pregnant?

I know that I maybe went a little bit over the line by this method of proof. But as I needed to get real confirmation I could not think of any other way. She earned money, my friend got laid (paid by me) and I got an answer.

Mbx0710,

Just my 2 cents, first thanks for sharing your experience and laying yourself out on the road to be run over by other members. Since you have been run over already let me take a shot at you too.

If you don't know already, aside from her bedside manners she is a loose canon ready to go off. The way she is going it wouldn't surprise me she gets pregnant once she finds the right sucker who will fall for her lines or she comes down with a STD. Regardless, aside from her having the baby which will be the innocent one just for the security of a Farang, like hitting the lottery for a Thai. I really feel sorry for that Farang because if he isn't strong enough mentally I most likely will see him in the news shooting him in the head or being broke and living out of a car, or stealing Ramen noodles from a 7/11 like we have been reading the last few months. With what you told us god help the Farang that ends up with her! The baby is the last thing he has to worry about.

Personally I have a simple method that determines how a girl is going to be. It's called the high maintenance test. This is just a game for me and I play it with my buddies when they ask my opinion. Of course it just a generalizaton! How does she dress, how much makeup, listen when she talks and you will learn! If she has a cellphone, what kind how much? Where does she like to eat? Does she drink coffee? Does she drink alcohol and if so, what type or brand? I could go on and on, the best one is how long does it take her to get ready to go out? Everything has a story! Even with all this one can be wrong!

As for her contract with the Escort service I have my doubts. Most escort service from my experience is owned and operated by the Thai Mafia, although a contract for this long time period is possible it wouldn't be to their advantage to do such a long term contract especially in Thailand. Cause anything can happen and usually 1 years is the normal unless she has done something in her past. Most contracts if they are free to enter into usually requires the person to put money up since that business want insurance that they are going to show up for work and be available. Now this might not be always the case especially for a Escort service.

Last, if you are going to call a bluff, if the women tells you she is pregnant you might use this line especially if it is P4P, " it can't be mines because I can't have kids " It work for my buddy which was really true! when he told her there was a moment of silence and she confused that she had been seeing a Thai guy behind his back. This was his wife, he hanged up the phone, cut the ATM card, and never went back to Thailand. Today she hooked another Farang loaded, has 5 kids, 2 from Thai guys and 3 from this Dutch Farang. Her thinking is the more I have the more security? She might be right since the money is rolling in and she still is horny as hell!

Don't believe everything you hear in Thailand!

[QUOTE=Mbx0710]Ha..ha... Thank you PinkPearl for making me nervous again! LOL..

But you are so right about that anything coming out of her mouth is probably a fat lie.

so I in fact did some research also on the subject.

One of my friends were in Bangkok 1 week ago and he ordered a session with her from bangkokgold. He made a private deal with her to meet her next day for some dating. (with money involved off course) He did her bareback a couple of times and at the end of the day she was desperately looking for a pharmacy to get a "the-day-after-pill" (I don´t really know the medical name for this pill) So...my thoughts are....why would she be desperate to get a birthcontrol pill if she was already pregnant?

I know that I maybe went a little bit over the line by this method of proof. But as I needed to get real confirmation I could not think of any other way. She earned money, my friend got laid (paid by me) and I got an answer.[/QUOTE]Wow, you treat your friends pretty good!

I guess you can trust that he is not lying either.

Yet maybe some TGs are so stupid that they think after they are already pregnant that they can get pregnant again. So it may have been the imaginary second pregnancy that she was trying to stop. LOL

Maybe have your friend check on her again in 3-6 months and see how big she is. Although if she is pregnant an abortion is a possibility, so that idea isn't going to work, either. In fact, who can say if she had not already had the abortion before she saw your friend?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Mbx0710,

Just my 2 cents, first thanks for sharing your experience and laying yourself out on the road to be run over by other members. Since you have been run over already let me take a shot at you too.

If you don't know already, aside from her bedside manners she is a loose canon ready to go off. The way she is going it wouldn't surprise me she gets pregnant once she finds the right sucker who will fall for her lines or she comes down with a STD. Regardless, aside from her having the baby which will be the innocent one just for the security of a Farang, like hitting the lottery for a Thai. I really feel sorry for that Farang because if he isn't strong enough mentally I most likely will see him in the news shooting him in the head or being broke and living out of a car, or stealing Ramen noodles from a 7/11 like we have been reading the last few months. With what you told us god help the Farang that ends up with her! The baby is the last thing he has to worry about.

Personally I have a simple method that determines how a girl is going to be. It's called the high maintenance test. This is just a game for me and I play it with my buddies when they ask my opinion. Of course it just a generalizaton! How does she dress, how much makeup, listen when she talks and you will learn! If she has a cellphone, what kind how much? Where does she like to eat? Does she drink coffee? Does she drink alcohol and if so, what type or brand? I could go on and on, the best one is how long does it take her to get ready to go out? Everything has a story! Even with all this one can be wrong!

As for her contract with the Escort service I have my doubts. Most escort service from my experience is owned and operated by the Thai Mafia, although a contract for this long time period is possible it wouldn't be to their advantage to do such a long term contract especially in Thailand. Cause anything can happen and usually 1 years is the normal unless she has done something in her past. Most contracts if they are free to enter into usually requires the person to put money up since that business want insurance that they are going to show up for work and be available. Now this might not be always the case especially for a Escort service.

Last, if you are going to call a bluff, if the women tells you she is pregnant you might use this line especially if it is P4P, " it can't be mines because I can't have kids " It work for my buddy which was really true! when he told her there was a moment of silence and she confused that she had been seeing a Thai guy behind his back. This was his wife, he hanged up the phone, cut the ATM card, and never went back to Thailand. Today she hooked another Farang loaded, has 5 kids, 2 from Thai guys and 3 from this Dutch Farang. Her thinking is the more I have the more security? She might be right since the money is rolling in and she still is horny as hell!

Don't believe everything you hear in Thailand![/QUOTE]Hey LittleBigMan,

Thanks for your comments. As I wrote in my first posting about this incident, I posted my story so that the forum members could have a good laugh at "another-sucker-in-the-trap". So I welcome any comments

And really. I am starting to beleive that I should NOT beleive everything I hear in Thailand. And that I should NEVER beleive anything a p4p thai says. No matter how genuine/honest she seems to be.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Mbx0710]Hey LittleBigMan,

Thanks for your comments. As I wrote in my first posting about this incident, I posted my story so that the forum members could have a good laugh at "another-sucker-in-the-trap". So I welcome any comments

And really. I am starting to beleive that I should NOT beleive everything I hear in Thailand. And that I should NEVER beleive anything a p4p thai says. No matter how genuine/honest she seems to be.

Cheers[/QUOTE]
I've met a couple of Thai P4P ladies who got pregnant from doing it bareback with their customers. And I know it for sure. Because one of the ladies keeps getting pictures of her son from his adoptive parents in Germany. The other lady I've met while she was still trying to solicit customers during her pregnancy. She got fired from her bar hostess job for getting pregnant. And she needed the money for her hospital care to deliver the baby and to take care of things after the birth.

I suppose some men don't care that their biological child might end up in very difficult and unpleasant circumstances. Or perhaps they do care. And that's why they are trying to deceive themselves that things like that don't happen.

[QUOTE=Dan7373]I've met a couple of Thai P4P ladies who got pregnant from doing it bareback with their customers. And I know it for sure. Because one of the ladies keeps getting pictures of her son from his adoptive parents in Germany. The other lady I've met while she was still trying to solicit customers during her pregnancy. She got fired from her bar hostess job for getting pregnant. And she needed the money for her hospital care to deliver the baby and to take care of things after the birth.

I suppose some men don't care that their biological child might end up in very difficult and unpleasant circumstances. Or perhaps they do care. And that's why they are trying to deceive themselves that things like that don't happen.[/QUOTE]

I can't understand why P4P ladies are not on the pill.. I really thought everbody in the buisness used that, just in case...

[QUOTE=Dextro Sol]I can't understand why P4P ladies are not on the pill.. I really thought everbody in the buisness used that, just in case...[/QUOTE]
Some ladies rely on the condoms, because they are cheaper. Some ladies forget to take their pill. And some ladies end up relying on luck, when they are under the influence of alcohol and pressure from the customer to do it bareback.

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Hey Mbx0710,

You perfectly summed it up!

Money is the root cause of evil!

All thai p4p always feel they are expensive, probably got to do with the thai dowry system. They dream that a knight in shining armour will pick them up and ride them to their castle of desire.

They will also make statements saying that this is the thai way and that is not! If you meet a non p4p lady they will never say that! They are normal and they need a partner for life as is normal school of thought be it man or woman.

With the current economic situation in BKK this will drive only more of those p4p's into the trade rather then save them.

As for the escort agency you talked about its a con Job! Names are interchanged, pictures and p4p's. Its all on ad hoc and availability of that p4p desperatley seeking cash basis run by a yankee who will go head over heels for the greenbacks!

All of their P4p's are stone hearted, smooth talkers and play actors, even helping them with a good intention is a big NO NO.

They will always find innocent men! Most of that agency's escorts come with a background of early broken marriage with kids cases, marriage of convenience cases (mostly married to falang's) just to get that VISA or passport and the rest is obvious.

Its always worth going the soapy way where variety is always present.

As they say, the only thing constant in life is change! Thats what real life is about and thats whats the philospohy of a p4p is also sadly about!

Keep the fire burning!

Cheers

[QUOTE=Mbx0710]Hey LittleBigMan,

Thanks for your comments. As I wrote in my first posting about this incident, I posted my story so that the forum members could have a good laugh at "another-sucker-in-the-trap". So I welcome any comments

And really. I am starting to beleive that I should NOT beleive everything I hear in Thailand. And that I should NEVER beleive anything a p4p thai says. No matter how genuine/honest she seems to be.

Cheers[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Soapy Fuk]Hey Mbx0710,

You perfectly summed it up!

Money is the root cause of evil!

All thai p4p always feel they are expensive, probably got to do with the thai dowry system. They dream that a knight in shining armour will pick them up and ride them to their castle of desire.

They will also make statements saying that this is the thai way and that is not! If you meet a non p4p lady they will never say that! They are normal and they need a partner for life as is normal school of thought be it man or woman.

With the current economic situation in BKK this will drive only more of those p4p's into the trade rather then save them.

As for the escort agency you talked about its a con Job! Names are interchanged, pictures and p4p's. Its all on ad hoc and availability of that p4p desperatley seeking cash basis run by a yankee who will go head over heels for the greenbacks!

All of their P4p's are stone hearted, smooth talkers and play actors, even helping them with a good intention is a big NO NO.

They will always find innocent men! Most of that agency's escorts come with a background of early broken marriage with kids cases, marriage of convenience cases (mostly married to falang's) just to get that VISA or passport and the rest is obvious.

Its always worth going the soapy way where variety is always present.

As they say, the only thing constant in life is change! Thats what real life is about and thats whats the philospohy of a p4p is also sadly about!

Keep the fire burning!

Cheers[/QUOTE]Hey Soapy Fuk,

You are right. The hunt for cash is the main issue here. Both from the yankee owner and the girls. And the girls are stoneheartet actresses and with only one thing in their primitive minds. Of the 6 girls I have tried from bkkgold, 5 (yes FIVE) had no problem to continue the session next day as a "date" with them, where all the money (minus a negotiated discount)went directly into their personal spending account. Only one of the five I needed to order 2 times through the agency before she gave in. And really. Beleive me. I did not put any pressure on them. They would suggest it themselves. So I could only laugh when their phones next day (the p4p phone. Not the personal one) rang rang and rang knowing that the yank was being cheated by his girls. My bad luck and judgement was that I tried to "save" the last one. Well and that is an old story now LOL

This I later found out also was quite easy to do with the soapy/massage girls. So I guess even in THAT business the employees would fuck their employers as quickly as a horse can run.

I agree with you on that it is better to go to a soapy/massage place to pick out the girl, as I only use escorts for the convienience (my laziness) and because usually their english skills are a little bit better.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Dextro Sol]I can't understand why P4P ladies are not on the pill.. I really thought everbody in the buisness used that, just in case...[/QUOTE]
A dumb bargirl once tried to explain to me why she wasn't on the pill but used a sponge as backup in case the condom broke.

I am allergic to sponges ;) If dick won't go in properly and feeling is not smooth, then it soon looses interest.

She tried to make out that, if she was on the pill, her parents might find the pack and think she was having sex with some Thai guy, which was probably true anyway.

Could have been a bullshit story as it did not make a lot of sense to me.

As I walk with my Thai GF on Suk, I am wondering if everyone thinks she is a hooker. She does dress not exactly the most modestly. She is lucky to be pretty and have a good body and likes to dress a bit trendy and sexy.

As I check out other farangs walking with Thai girls (many will be P4P - some not), I notice that in 90% of cases the girl is not particularly pretty to my taste, and some downright ugly. Its not often that the Farang is with a girl I would like to screw. But when I see Asian guys (not Thai) with very young Thai girls, many of these girls are quite pretty to my taste. This seems strange to me as I don't go for roundish faced Chinese looking girls nor do I prefer very white skinned girls, so I know my taste is very different to a Thai man's taste.

So have Asian Guys got better taste or higher standards than Farangs? I am guessing the girls are not selected for their wonderful character, but I could be wrong.

Perhaps some would think my GF is not pretty with a narrower face.

How do Farangs really select the girl? If the looks are ordinary, is it just they take any girl willing and who gives them a good time in the sack?

Do some Farangs think all asian girls look the same? and any girl will do?

There was a Farang, maybe Spanish, with a quite stunning girl in the lift today, so obviously some Farang's taste matches mine.

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[QUOTE=Myx Tical]How do Farangs really select the girl? If the looks are ordinary, is it just they take any girl willing and who gives them a good time in the sack?[/QUOTE]

Yes I think you've hit the nail on the head there. Many visitors are here for only a short time and select very quickly. To find beauties is much rarer than it used to be and would require a lot more time and effort.

[QUOTE=Dan7373]I've met a couple of Thai P4P ladies who got pregnant from doing it bareback with their customers. And I know it for sure. Because one of the ladies keeps getting pictures of her son from his adoptive parents in Germany. The other lady I've met while she was still trying to solicit customers during her pregnancy. She got fired from her bar hostess job for getting pregnant. And she needed the money for her hospital care to deliver the baby and to take care of things after the birth.

I suppose some men don't care that their biological child might end up in very difficult and unpleasant circumstances. Or perhaps they do care. And that's why they are trying to deceive themselves that things like that don't happen.[/QUOTE]

Those who bareback usually do not know who the father is. Father maybe one night only with no exchanging phone numbers or contacts. If it is a long time relationship I am sure the father will accept responsibility and atleast send money every month for the welfare of the child if he does not want any more contact other than that.
These things happen quite a lot. Many working girls are not bothered to use protection. Sometimes they really want a farang baby. I remember few young girls told me they would like to have a baby with me and they would not want me to do anything to support them. What they do not understand is when they get older the money making opportunity diminishes with their age.
These girls have never seen that kind of money they are making as bargirls.
Compared to struggling girls who have a job. They also think life is a big party with meeting lots of wealthy people and in some cases wined and dined and given lots of money. It is like noveau rich and does not know what to do with their money. In western countries they usually develop drug problems.
They think bringing up a baby is a cakewalk with the money they make.
Once they have the baby they realize many punters do not want them because of the child with the percieved or true realization that their pussy is not tight anymore. Even some of the classy bars do not like to hire girls with baggage. The reason is they feel these girls are unreliable and customers will not like them. Asian girls feel that the having a child will complete their life whether they are ready or not.
Atleast one thing going for them is their father and mother are willing to bring up the child with loving care.

Hi mate,

Buddha preached that there are four different types of women:

Those who become angry for slight causes, who have changeable minds, who are greedy, jealous of other's happiness, and who have no sympathy for the needs of others.

Those who grow angry over ordinary affairs, who are fickle and greedy, but who do not envy others their happiness and who are sympathetic for the needs of others.

Those who are more broad-minded and who do not become angry very often, and who know how to control a greedy mind, but who are not able to avoid feelings of jealousy and who are not sympathetic.

Those who are broad-minded, who can restrain feelings of greed and retain a calm mind, who do not envy others their happiness, and who are sympathetic for the needs of others.

The thai P4P's or any lady in real life can be categorized into any of these 4 types.

The next time you want to have a thai P4P a taste of their own medicine , then tell them this! they will go pale.

Its simple no shortcuts in life for success !!!

Keep the fire burning!

[QUOTE=Mbx0710]Hey Soapy Fuk,

You are right. The hunt for cash is the main issue here. Both from the yankee owner and the girls. And the girls are stoneheartet actresses and with only one thing in their primitive minds. Of the 6 girls I have tried from bkkgold, 5 (yes FIVE) had no problem to continue the session next day as a "date" with them, where all the money (minus a negotiated discount)went directly into their personal spending account. Only one of the five I needed to order 2 times through the agency before she gave in. And really. Beleive me. I did not put any pressure on them. They would suggest it themselves. So I could only laugh when their phones next day (the p4p phone. Not the personal one) rang rang and rang knowing that the yank was being cheated by his girls. My bad luck and judgement was that I tried to "save" the last one. Well and that is an old story now LOL

This I later found out also was quite easy to do with the soapy/massage girls. So I guess even in THAT business the employees would fuck their employers as quickly as a horse can run.

I agree with you on that it is better to go to a soapy/massage place to pick out the girl, as I only use escorts for the convienience (my laziness) and because usually their english skills are a little bit better.

Cheers[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Soapy Fuk]Hi mate,

Buddha preached that there are four different types of women:

Those who become angry for slight causes, who have changeable minds, who are greedy, jealous of other's happiness, and who have no sympathy for the needs of others.

Those who grow angry over ordinary affairs, who are fickle and greedy, but who do not envy others their happiness and who are sympathetic for the needs of others.

Those who are more broad-minded and who do not become angry very often, and who know how to control a greedy mind, but who are not able to avoid feelings of jealousy and who are not sympathetic.

Those who are broad-minded, who can restrain feelings of greed and retain a calm mind, who do not envy others their happiness, and who are sympathetic for the needs of others.

The thai P4P's or any lady in real life can be categorized into any of these 4 types.

The next time you want to have a thai P4P a taste of their own medicine , then tell them this! they will go pale.

Its simple no shortcuts in life for success !!!

Keep the fire burning![/QUOTE]Hey Soapy Fuk,

I was laughing my ass off when I read this post.

How do you explain this to a p4p girl? She would get lost when you start talking about buddha, because you are a falang and what do falangs know about buddha? You can only know about buddha if you are thai and practise it actively. The p4p way. Thats what all these thai p4p girls say when you start questioning their knowledge of buddha, right? LOL

Try telling them that Thai buddhisme actually comes from India. Well be sure to say that AFTER the act. Otherwise I would fear for my dick when putting it in their mouth!

Cheers

[QUOTE=Myx Tical]As I walk with my Thai GF on Suk, I am wondering if everyone thinks she is a hooker. She does dress not exactly the most modestly. She is lucky to be pretty and have a good body and likes to dress a bit trendy and sexy.

As I check out other farangs walking with Thai girls (many will be P4P - some not), I notice that in 90% of cases the girl is not particularly pretty to my taste, and some downright ugly. Its not often that the Farang is with a girl I would like to screw. But when I see Asian guys (not Thai) with very young Thai girls, many of these girls are quite pretty to my taste. This seems strange to me as I don't go for roundish faced Chinese looking girls nor do I prefer very white skinned girls, so I know my taste is very different to a Thai man's taste.

So have Asian Guys got better taste or higher standards than Farangs? I am guessing the girls are not selected for their wonderful character, but I could be wrong.

Perhaps some would think my GF is not pretty with a narrower face.

How do Farangs really select the girl? If the looks are ordinary, is it just they take any girl willing and who gives them a good time in the sack?

Do some Farangs think all asian girls look the same? and any girl will do?

There was a Farang, maybe Spanish, with a quite stunning girl in the lift today, so obviously some Farang's taste matches mine.[/QUOTE]

I think perhaps the Asians have higher standards. I was on a forum for a popular bar in Walking Street, where they post pictures of the girls there on a regular basis. The comments from the board members there were unbelievable to me. The guys were saying the girls were so hot and sexy, and they couldn't wait to meet with them, etc.

When I saw tem, I thought "wow, these girls are just not attractive at all". I'm an American-born Korean, by the way. I also showed the pictures to some Asian (Korean and Japanese) friends, and they agreed that the girls were not attractive, even calling many of them downright 'ugly'.

However, back in Korea, at the red light district known as "Miari", I took several US servicemen who were stationed in Korea at the time. One was an old friend, so I took him along with his fellow military buddies. I recall we found one place where they had about 10 girls, and there were to my recollection, two women there who were much more attractive than the rest. I asked these guys which girl they wanted, and they all couldn't decide, and said they didn't care. I thought that was interesting.

I'm not sure why Asian guys have 'higher standards' (in terms of looks), but my opinion is that in Korea (and Japan), the average girl there is more attractive than the average Thai (esp. Isan) girl. I've dated girls in Korea that would be considered 'stunners' by the standards of some ISG members (based on pics I've seen uploaded with the description 'stunner'), but to me were only 'cute' or 'doable'.

Frankly, I was a bit disappointed when I went to Pattaya. I kept thinking, "where are the hotties?" And unfortunately the only real hotties I saw were the ladyboys! Of course, I don't swing in that direction, so I had to finally settle for 'doable' Thai girls, and I had such a difficult time cumming (often not being able to do so) due to my lack of physical attraction towards them. Contrast this with a Korean girl I had at an oil-massage parlor about a week after I left Pattaya: she was so hot that I came within two minutes. The fastest I came with a girl in Pattaya was I think 15 minutes, and typically it would be 30+ minutes with no cumming before finally giving up.

Now, was she really more physically attractive than the Thai girls I'd met?

Well, let's see: She was skinnier (I know TG are generally skinny, but a lot have babyfat). She also had smoother skin. She also had a very pretty face, which I find to be extremely rare on TG. She also applied her makeup well, which is also rare on TG, as most of them do it incorrectly with the wrong colors and just end up looking a bit clownish. She was also very professional, as in she knew how to take care of me. She showered me, and licked every inch of my body with her warm, wet tongue. She gave a fantastic BBBJ that I almost came from within 2~3 minutes, and it was just a totally different experience. However, this experience didn't cost 1,500 THB long time... this was a 90 minute experience that cost about 5,000 THB. So perhaps you get what you pay for.

I think many farang just have an Asian fetish (not that there's anything wrong with it), and since it's a fetish, apart from the girl being Asian, there's not much more to require on the girls part, whether it's big boobs, or pretty face, or whatever. For example, I have a fetish for Asian girls with a Latina ass. Of course, I hate fat girls, so it has to be a skinny Asian girl with a Latina ass. Those are very rare, but since I have such a fetish for 'itty bitty waist with a round thing in yo face', I will overlook other 'negative' things I might see in a girl if I happen to find one with that kind of ass. It's happened a few times.

As a side note: TG's would ask me where I was from. Technically it's America, but I just say Korea to avoid explaining my story. Then they would always mention to me how pretty Korean girls were. Anyway, the next time I go to Thailand, I'll also spend some time trying to pick up Korean tourist girls.

[QUOTE=Byung]
I think many farang just have an Asian fetish (not that there's anything wrong with it), and since it's a fetish, apart from the girl being Asian, there's not much more to require on the girls part, whether it's big boobs, or pretty face, or whatever. For example, I have a fetish for Asian girls with a Latina ass. Of course, I hate fat girls, so it has to be a skinny Asian girl with a Latina ass. Those are very rare, but since I have such a fetish for 'itty bitty waist with a round thing in yo face', I will overlook other 'negative' things I might see in a girl if I happen to find one with that kind of ass. It's happened a few times.
[/QUOTE]
I've found that Vietnamese girls tend to have the kind of ass that you describe while maintaining a skinny figure and a small waist. They also tend to have full round breasts too. Indonesian women are somewhat similar too in this regard.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]I've found that Vietnamese girls tend to have the kind of ass that you describe while maintaining a skinny figure and a small waist. They also tend to have full round breasts too. Indonesian women are somewhat similar too in this regard.[/QUOTE]

I live in Los Angeles, and the Vietnamese part of Southern California, the City of Westminster is about an hour away so I don't go there, but last year in May at a hostess bar in Los Angeles, I did meet a girl who I thought was Latina at first based on her face, but there was a hint of Asian in it, and she told me she was Vietnamese.

Wouldn't you know it? An ass to die for, and nice breasts, at least a full C. She had a slim and toned waist as well. Although her face was somewhat attractive, it was below my standard of what I want, but her ass made up for it.

I was also high on cocaine that night, and turns out she was a coke fiend as well. We ended up 'doing it' both coke and bedroom activities for the next month or so. BTW, it was due to her that I became such a coke junkie. Fortunately I stopped doing it after New Years Eve, but those of you who've never tried coke, don't ever do it!

Anyway, the attractive Thai girls I've seen tend to be the more Chinese-Thai, the light-skinned girls. Natt Chanapa is an example of a great Thai girl stunner. She's not exactly super pretty, but pretty enough, and her body is to die for.

[QUOTE=Byung]
Anyway, the attractive Thai girls I've seen tend to be the more Chinese-Thai, the light-skinned girls. Natt Chanapa is an example of a great Thai girl stunner. She's not exactly super pretty, but pretty enough, and her body is to die for.[/QUOTE]

I'd agree on her body, since it's slim with attractive breasts.

As for her face, IMO it's only average, not pretty. If i met her around NEP
or Siam Paragon i'd be seriously concerned that she might not be a lady.

I'd offer her 1000 Baht ST, while for those i consider to be hotter than her
or stunners with great performance i go to 1500.

As i see it quite a number of ladies on the Angel and Annies MP websites
are pretty or beautiful. Natt Chanapa is neither.

As the sayings go, to each their own, or beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
But i am really surprised you'ld consider this lady pretty or a stunner.

I'd be interested in other opinions on this, especially OTH's, as he has shown
IMO an above average taste in Thai women.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]...If i met her around NEP
or [b]Siam Paragon[/b] i'd be seriously concerned that she might not be a lady...[/QUOTE]It's amazing how many ladyboys are "mall rats."

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]I'd agree on her body, since it's slim with attractive breasts.

As for her face, IMO it's only average, not pretty. If i met her around NEP
or Siam Paragon i'd be seriously concerned that she might not be a lady.

I'd offer her 1000 Baht ST, while for those i consider to be hotter than her
or stunners with great performance i go to 1500.

As i see it quite a number of ladies on the Angel and Annies MP websites
are pretty or beautiful. Natt Chanapa is neither.

As the sayings go, to each their own, or beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
But i am really surprised you'ld consider this lady pretty or a stunner.
[/QUOTE]There is no accounting for taste!

Nearly everyone is surprised that you were surprised!

Very few people would agree with you, unless their spec is round faced pudgy girls. (Each to their own)

No Annies girl could compete with Natt in looks, even though Natt is not exactly my spec.

[url]http://www.chanapanatt.com/nattchanapasex02.jpg[/url]

Maybe Kristen at Angel (the one who seemed was never there).

As noted to each his own!

This picture of Natt, very very nice, somewhat thin, but the breast more than make up for it. Very very nice! Here face, also nice no makeup! which is always a plus for LBM. Into the natural look without all the powder cake!

Now I did some backtracking maybe I'm missing it.. Where does she work?

LBM

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]

It's amazing how many ladyboys are "mall rats."

[/QUOTE]

Are you sure they are all lady boys? I'd be in real trouble.

Slim

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]As noted to each his own!

This picture of Natt, very very nice, somewhat thin, but the breast more than make up for it. Very very nice! Here face, also nice no makeup! which is always a plus for LBM. Into the natural look without all the powder cake!

Now I did some backtracking maybe I'm missing it.. Where does she work?

LBM[/QUOTE]Natt used to be a celebrity pornstar in Thailand, but I believe quit a few years back. I saw her interviewed on TV tonight show by Sanyaa I think. May have restarted porn work or nude modelling for all I know.

Hey guys,

A few months ago I reported about my last trip to BKK. I was getting kind of bored with the P4P scene.

My next trip is coming up in a few weeks.

I have prepared it very much.

I have been chatting for two months with girls from a thai dating site.

This time I come to BKK with a dozen of girls waiting for me.

It's pretty cool but I'll probably wont have the time to see them all.

My question to you guys is :

"What are the DOs and DON'Ts when dating regular thai girls?".

Thanks in advance for your advices

MP Lover,

Is this who I think it is?

LBM

[QUOTE=Nvslim]Are you sure they are all lady boys? I'd be in real trouble...Slim[/QUOTE]In that particular photo, i.e, the previous group shot, yes.

Thai ladyboys communicate in a distinctive cackle that is probably one of the more obnoxious sounds known to man. You could hear these guys coming from 100 meters.

[QUOTE=Neil Flanders]Hey guys,

A few months ago I reported about my last trip to BKK. I was getting kind of bored with the P4P scene.

My next trip is coming up in a few weeks.

I have prepared it very much.

I have been chatting for two months with girls from a thai dating site.

This time I come to BKK with a dozen of girls waiting for me.

It's pretty cool but I'll probably wont have the time to see them all.

My question to you guys is :

"What are the DOs and DON'Ts when dating regular thai girls?".

Thanks in advance for your advices[/QUOTE]


Don't assume that all Thai women are *****s or prostitutes. There are "good" Thai girls that don't want to sleep with you on the first date.

[QUOTE=Retired Army]Don't assume that all Thai women are *****s or prostitutes. There are "good" Thai girls that don't want to sleep with you on the first date.[/QUOTE]

First Date? Shoot.. I've had some that go long long long time without getting any type of sexual action.

Neil, just go along on the principle these girls are no different than girls you might meet in your home country. They might be easy, they might not. If you like them, don't jump on them, take your time, and your efforts will rewarded 10 fold.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]First Date? Shoot.. I've had some that go long long long time without getting any type of sexual action.[/QUOTE]


Like my wife. Took me a long time to convience her that as a Farang I didn't have two heads and wasn't going to eat children.

I know many Thai women pushing forty that haven't encountered the 'one eyed trouser snake" yet and probably never will.

[QUOTE=Retired Army]Like my wife. Took me a long time to convience her that as a Farang I didn't have two heads and wasn't going to eat children.

I know many Thai women pushing forty that haven't encountered the 'one eyed trouser snake" yet and probably never will.[/QUOTE]

I agree 100% and 99.9999999% of the people that read this board do not get to know traditional thai women. I now know, after many years working and making mistakes in BKK, many women that share intimate details with me, we do things with, talk all the time, but no way are they putting out until after marriage and many are older already and are OK with working and staying single.

Now saying this there are many ladies on web sites that will put out first date no problem. But these I would not classify as traditional girls. If they are advertising on the web I would have a hard time as considering them normal or traditional thai girls still.

The problem for me, is that I'm a fucking horn dog / bastard and need a nympho. Looks are important but the nympho aspect is the most important. I haven't found a traditional thai girl that can hump all the time and haven't found a traditional girl I want to invest the time with to try to get into the sack. So I'm inclined to think I'm stuck with bar girls or ex bar girls in different countries for the rest of my life.

NOW... I do know a lot of ex bar girls that have been good wives, act like traditional wives, etc... But I know a lot more that cheat and ko hok to their sponsors. The older they get, the more they've learned and value a good guy so getting young bar girls as your TGF you are asking for trouble.

And shit but I like them young so I'm screwed no matter what I do. I admire you for finding a good wife and staying with it.

Hello Neil,

I wrote you a long reply about this last night, but somehow I clicked the wrong button and lost it.

But I suggest you go to [url]www.thailandguru.com[/url] there is lots of advice there.

Look on the left, towards the bottom, for Thai girlfriends or something like that.

For me, the rules are simple.

Treat them like you would treat a first date in your own country.

Dress well, I prefer to meet them in a neutral plac like a coffee shop or restaurant near my hotel.

Be courteous, be attentive. Many Thai women do not drink alcohol, so don't press it if she says no.

There gets to be a point in the meeting where conversation dies out, and you are both just sitting there. At this time I ask her "what do you want to do now?". Often she will say go to your room. or maybe if you think she is really interested, ask if she wants to watch some TV in your room. Move slowly, by this time she is pretty much committed, but will still be very nervous. Don't push her.

And Thai women tend to not take the initiatie - it is part of their culture. So you will have to initiate everything.

Remember, if she is a regular Thai woman, this is probably her first experience with a farang, so she is probably a bit nervous too. And she has heard all sorts of stories about farang monsters, or farangs eating babies, etc.

But I have had them come with me on the first date. very nervous about penis size, and if you will hurt them.

One spoke very little English, but I had been introduced by a friend, who came with us to dinner, and acted as interpreter for that evening. She came with me first time, and stayed overnight. It was lovely, once she got going, she was vry attentive. And we still get together when I am there in Thailand with some time to spare.

I have not had sex with a Thai virgin.

Oh, also, be prepared that she may turn up with a friend. This is part of their culture, a chaperone, so don't bag it. The second person may be a brother, a friend, sister, cousin. This person is there to protect her in situations of distress. be courteous, accept it. If you shape up as OK, this person will excuse themselves. If they do this, you know you have passed the test, and you are in. It is a good sign.

And remember, in Asia, "nothing is as it seems"

Good luck,

G

Thank you guys for your condescendent and useless advices like : "don't consider them as prostitutes".

Of course I won't, I have been with many thai prostitutes already.
The idea here is to get out of this scheme and date regular girls with a regular behaviour.

Anyway, thanks Gangles for giving me real advices.

So they are stories about farang eating babies, that's so hilarious.

You know, I'm really starting to love this country.

[QUOTE=Mbx0710]
Well anyway, I need to clarify some things about my ex-thai-girlfriend.

- She NEVER lived on a farm (except holidays)

- She IS from a middleclass Bangkok family (her father and mother are divorced, but both live in their own fairly big townhouses in the city center)

- They STILL ask for money. Even at middleclass level. They must have thought that I was ULTRA rich.

[/QUOTE]

Mbx0710,

Does the asking for money only apply to farangs? I asked my driver on the way from Pattaya to BKK airport last week if he sent any money to his in-laws. He is middle-aged, married with 2 grown kids. He told me that other than a few gifts he brings when he visits them upcountry, he has not given them any money since he paid the 40,000 baht dowry when he got married. He told me the in-laws are just OK financially so it is not necessary. And, he has not taken any money from his kids even though they are both working in good jobs.

I met up with LBM in Pattaya recently and he suggested that I read "Thailand Fever" since I am contemplating a relationship with a TG. Although I was already familiar with most of the content having lived in and visited Thailand for nearly 30 years, it offers good insight for a newbie on the scene. A lot of the book talks about the "generousity" concept and how family support is an integral part of any relationship with a TG. It was interesting to hear that my driver did not support his in-laws, build a house, put the brother-in-law in business, etc. I do not have many normal close Thai friends now since I am just in and out for the most part in recent years. I would be curious to know if the same applies in normal Thai society with Thai-Thai relationships nowadays.

OAH

Hi OldAsiaHand,

Aologise for answering but would love to read Mbx0710's views.

You truly have raised a keypoint when it comes to deciding on a close relationaship with a TG.

Have lived many years in the kingdom and can tell you there are only two classes of society in Thailand. The normal, hardworking, moderate and satisfied and the other being vulture culture, sanook, I. E live to have fun.(whatever that takes to get there)

There is nothing like Rich, middle or poor.

Family values exist but should be seen and learnt from the former and surely not from the latter.

The males are more docile, unfaithful and cold in the latter category and the males are responsible, caring and providing in the former category.

Probably decades of easy money via tourism has created an easy channel for the females in the latter class and they will take advantage of this to the hilt. Probably this economic downturn might give them a wakeup call but all said and done they will be back to their old ways when things get back to normal.

To get into a relationship with a TG (those that one encounters as freelancers or whatover) is like trying to make a horse drink water!

The horse could be guided to the water but will only drink when its thirsty!

Cheers

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Mbx0710,

Does the asking for money only apply to farangs? I asked my driver on the way from Pattaya to BKK airport last week if he sent any money to his in-laws. He is middle-aged, married with 2 grown kids. He told me that other than a few gifts he brings when he visits them upcountry, he has not given them any money since he paid the 40,000 baht dowry when he got married. He told me the in-laws are just OK financially so it is not necessary. And, he has not taken any money from his kids even though they are both working in good jobs.

I met up with LBM in Pattaya recently and he suggested that I read "Thailand Fever" since I am contemplating a relationship with a TG. Although I was already familiar with most of the content having lived in and visited Thailand for nearly 30 years, it offers good insight for a newbie on the scene. A lot of the book talks about the "generousity" concept and how family support is an integral part of any relationship with a TG. It was interesting to hear that my driver did not support his in-laws, build a house, put the brother-in-law in business, etc. I do not have many normal close Thai friends now since I am just in and out for the most part in recent years. I would be curious to know if the same applies in normal Thai society with Thai-Thai relationships nowadays.

OAH[/QUOTE]

OAH,

You should have ask me the question last week and I would have told you these two stories that I got from my wife just this year and I have known this two Thai guys for many years and sit with them at least once a week over a Leo beer.

Thai guy number #1, works in a body shop and has a wife from Issan, this is her second marriage she has already 1 kid. The kid is being raised by her mother and sister while she lives in Pattaya. Everytime she gets a small job or comes up with a idea to make some money for herself, the husband degrades her. That why waste your time doing this or that the job doesn't pay enough you should be getting more. They both sleep in a small room at the body shop and pay nothing. The place is so dirty you couldn't pay me to stay there even for one night. After his shift, he goes play snooker and drink beer everynight although he makes around 10,000 baht per month. Recently the wife had to return back to Issan to take care of the mother since she has cancer. The husband even before the mother got sick has never given his wife any money to help with her family. I was told he even complains that his wife isn't taking care of his manly needs instead left to take care of the mother. After a year of this she finally dumped him and he has a new girlfriend.

Thai guy number #2, This guy is the owner of the body shop and his wife runs a local snooker hangout and they both live in the back of the snooker parlor. This guy I have known for 8 years and I always felt he was a good straight up guy that I though was pretty responsible. They are our closest Thai friends their son is my son best friends and we share many outings together and he always pays his fair share. This April, when I was invited to visit the wife parents home I noticed some tension between the husband and his inlaws. I got this from the half ass Wat that the father-inlaw gave to his son-inlaw. I learn later that he got their daughter pregnant and refuses even today to marry her legally and the son doesn't even have his name. Everything he makes he keeps to himself and everything she makes from the snooker parlor she keeps and help her own family.

These two stories are just stories in general and I have been told that not all Thai's are like this but personally I have not met one!

From my own personal experiences I'm starting to think that helping out everyone in the family only applies to Farangs. There is a double standard going on here if a Farang say no and doesn't do it, they are cheap, and don't care about their family even if the Farang is telling the truth that their broke. When Farangs come to Thailand on holidays and ring up bar taps, have money for a nice cup of coffee at Starbucks, spend 500 baht at MK, just for lunch when the average poor Thai, average a 100 baht for meals a day! When you tell them you don't have money they just smile and deep down under their breath they're saying and thinking YEH RIGHT! YOU CHEAP FUCKING BASTARD!

LBM

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Mbx0710,

Does the asking for money only apply to farangs? I asked my driver on the way from Pattaya to BKK airport last week if he sent any money to his in-laws. He is middle-aged, married with 2 grown kids. He told me that other than a few gifts he brings when he visits them upcountry, he has not given them any money since he paid the 40,000 baht dowry when he got married. He told me the in-laws are just OK financially so it is not necessary. And, he has not taken any money from his kids even though they are both working in good jobs.

I met up with LBM in Pattaya recently and he suggested that I read "Thailand Fever" since I am contemplating a relationship with a TG. Although I was already familiar with most of the content having lived in and visited Thailand for nearly 30 years, it offers good insight for a newbie on the scene. A lot of the book talks about the "generousity" concept and how family support is an integral part of any relationship with a TG. It was interesting to hear that my driver did not support his in-laws, build a house, put the brother-in-law in business, etc. I do not have many normal close Thai friends now since I am just in and out for the most part in recent years. I would be curious to know if the same applies in normal Thai society with Thai-Thai relationships nowadays.

OAH[/QUOTE]Hey OAH and Soapy Fuk,

I don't have any Thai friends so I am not sure if the support thing is a purely farang-only feature. But with that said, I am sure that Farangs are viewed as being billionaires and therefore it is quite natural that we are cheeap charlies when we don't pay up what is expected of us.

Each time I was in BKK to visit my GF's family we went out to a restaurant the whole family, about 6-7 people, where the tab off course landed in front of me everytime. I didn't really care, cause the 7-8000 baht tab was nothing compared to a normal dinner for 2 in scandinavia. And the food was good, my GF was proud and happy and her family seemed happy. Her mother would constantly ask for money for her temple (1-2000 baht) and I payed her, well knowing that her mother would gamble the money away as soon as I turned my back to her. All this I considered payment to spend some "respect" time with her family and what the hell. I got to bang her 23 yr old daughter. So I guess I never thought further about that. Her father was more direct in demanding money (cash) from me. So I categorily declined. As a principle.

Her Thai friends also expected me to pay for entrance fees, booze and food when we entered nightclubs etc. But again a small cost, I thought, to bang her when we came home.

My GF never asked for money to send home to her family. And I never gave her any. She was also the youngest child of 4 so she did not have the big sister" responsibility, I guess.

The TGF I had before this one was quite different, because she was the big sister in her family and had to support her lazy father, grandfather, brothers and sisters. But she was open about this and told me too. I hate lazy people, so I could see my frustations in the future about sendning money to her family.

To sum up, with my very limited experiences, and what has said before many times on this board. TGF view farangs as ATM's and as lottery tickets with a guaranteed prize. Some of these girls have obligations to support their family, some don't. You can choose to accept that or not. So the point is probably that we (including me) kid ourselves by thinking that they really love us, but the truth is that they need the money for various reasons and they will love us "TGF style" to get it. (and not to get too generalizing about this type of relationship I would think this will almost apply to any relationship were the age difference is +10 yrs, no matter what country we are in? ! )

I once tried to explain simple scandinvian living costs to my TGF. Such as personal tax 58%, 25%VAT, gasoline prices, etc etc. It simply didn't get in. But if you were standing in a market in BKK it took 2 secs for her to calculate the price of 7 different items she had collected with and without discounts.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]OAH,

From my own personal experiences I'm starting to think that helping out everyone in the family only applies to Farangs. There is a double standard going on here if a Farang say no and doesn't do it, they are cheap, and don't care about their family even if the Farang is telling the truth that their broke. When Farangs come to Thailand on holidays and ring up bar taps, have money for a nice cup of coffee at Starbucks, spend 500 baht at MK, just for lunch when the average poor Thai, average a 100 baht for meals a day! When you tell them you don't have money they just smile and deep down under their breath they're saying and thinking YEH RIGHT! YOU CHEAP FUCKING BASTARD!

LBM[/QUOTE]Little Big Man,

That is the best opinion I have read about LOS allover ISG. I tried to marry a thai girl once and that was the same conclusion I arrived to

The kinds of Isan TG we punters are able to meet have -on average- maybe an IQ between 60 and 70. (Yes, you may give up the thought that an elderly Farang, even if educated, and neither too fat and ugly nor entirely poor, is able to hook up with a 29-32yr. old Bangkok CEO of an IT company. I know what you are trying to point out: That we won’t be able to meet the said roster of girls at Beergarden; but I once was spending my Saturday and Sunday afternoons as a pilot at the Thai Flying Club in Bang Phra, Sri Racha, meeting grounds of the Thai military, corporate and political elite. Still to no avail.)

This needs to be taken into consideration in case you intend to stay with one of the local lasses for longer than the recommended three days because inadvertently you will face a condition when she engages you in a heated argument, most likely because of unjustified jealousy. You will then find the mix of limited intellectual capabilities, entirely irrational behavior and a totally different thought process either amusing or, at worst and when alcohol plays a role, dangerous and nightmarish. Mutual language incapacities are added to the dangerous mix.

My best wishes go out to all the guys who –more or less successfully- are able to live together with a bar beer Isan girl with three or some more years of Buffalo University under her belt. I couldn’t, not because of a lack of education or intellect on her part but because of this latent and potentially violent irrationality which can be a result of a lack of culture and education.

Christopher G. Moore described it well in one of his books, I forgot which one: Spending the night with a TG is sleeping with a sharp knife at your throat.

[QUOTE=Frankfurter]The kinds of Isan TG we punters are able to meet have -on average- maybe an IQ between 60 and 70. (Yes, you may give up the thought that an elderly Farang, even if educated, and neither too fat and ugly nor entirely poor, is able to hook up with a 29-32yr. old Bangkok CEO of an IT company. I know what you are trying to point out: That we won’t be able to meet the said roster of girls at Beergarden; but I once was spending my Saturday and Sunday afternoons as a pilot at the Thai Flying Club in Bang Phra, Sri Racha, meeting grounds of the Thai military, corporate and political elite. Still to no avail.)

This needs to be taken into consideration in case you intend to stay with one of the local lasses for longer than the recommended three days because inadvertently you will face a condition when she engages you in a heated argument, most likely because of unjustified jealousy. You will then find the mix of limited intellectual capabilities, entirely irrational behavior and a totally different thought process either amusing or, at worst and when alcohol plays a role, dangerous and nightmarish. Mutual language incapacities are added to the dangerous mix.

My best wishes go out to all the guys who –more or less successfully- are able to live together with a bar beer Isan girl with three or some more years of Buffalo University under her belt. I couldn’t, not because of a lack of education or intellect on her part but because of this latent and potentially violent irrationality which can be a result of a lack of culture and education.

Christopher G. Moore described it well in one of his books, I forgot which one: Spending the night with a TG is sleeping with a sharp knife at your throat.[/QUOTE]

So true. This time in LOS I took a girl from a bar in a very quiet beach place I was staying at (not many bars, even fewer pretty girls). I barfined her every other day for a week, and she had come to think of me as a bf of sorts, becoming very jealous and upset when I mentioned I would be going back to my country soon. She would also send tons of SMS and called me every day etc,...She was very upset when she met me by chance at a disco when I was with some other TGs (she stormed away!) What a hassle! Those girls don't understand we like P4P because we don't want any emotional attachment, only fun! I experienced this "jealousy" from some other bar girls too and was not really prepared for it from reading ISG and being new to the bar scene...Maybe times have changed because there are fewer customers?
I also saw someone who was the direct victim of an unknown drunken bar girl who started to fight with her customer in a disco (accusing him of having too many girlfriends! the irony...) and became collateral damage and had to go to the ER to get his face stitched up. It could have been much worse...but what the hell? Sharp knives indeed!

It seems that with the bar girls it's difficult. If you meet a Thai lady outside the bar scene, I've noticed a lot of differences.

My, now, wife, was a teacher, married a Thai guy who brought her to the US. He died and we met.

She has worked two jobs (one full time, one part) until only recently, and has found time to go to school part time.

Her Mom does live with us, but does all the cooking, laundry and cleaning. We each give her $100 per month and of course take her when we go out to dinner (usually).

She pays part of our household bills, and times out, and buys stuff for the house.

She has gotten requests for some money from family in Thailand (Father, brothers) and has sent a few hundred a year from her money, not asking me for any.

When we go over to Thailand we do generally pick up joint meals, etc, but we do earn a lot more. Her family does pick up taxi fares, lunches, etc.

Now she has never been to a bar in Thailand until our visit last year when I finally convinced her to visit Nana (she was embarrased).

So guys it's easy to meet the Ladies from the bars, but if you are thinking long term relations, look around at regular businesses, etc.

Keep in mind also that there is the issue of loss of face, which is very important.

When she comes across you with other bargirls, it is major loss of face, because you choose someone else rather than her.

If she does not see you, then no loss of face.

G

To add to Gangles' post, this is a one way street.

She can be seen with as many men as she wants, after all it is her job.

But you cannot be seen with another girl, as that means she is no longer wanted by you, hence loss of face.

Amazing Thailand.

[QUOTE=Gangles]Keep in mind also that there is the issue of loss of face, which is very important.[/QUOTE]

You know what? who gives a fuck? as a tourist you should not care.
The "loss of face" is very convenient for her, she will play this card to make dumb punters feel bad! trust me, there is no such think as loss of face in Thai oriented venue... you know why? because they understand the concept of a purchased service ;)

I reckon there is no jealousy involved whatsoever and most bar girls could care less about face when it comes to punters. IMHO, the bar girl is only worried about losing your money. They are just plain selfish and do not want to share the money in your pocket with the other girls. And, they are worried that another bar girl may catch your fancy and you won't come back to give more to them.

Just my POV.

OAH

Do any of you experienced guys know how I would go about contacting uni students re sponsoring them at uni in exchange for favours. I am thinking about going to Chiang Mai for a year and would like to meet up with student girls there.

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I reckon there is no jealousy involved whatsoever and most bar girls could care less about face when it comes to punters. IMHO, the bar girl is only worried about losing your money. They are just plain selfish and do not want to share the money in your pocket with the other girls. And, they are worried that another bar girl may catch your fancy and you won't come back to give more to them.

Just my POV.

OAH[/QUOTE]

I concur. The best thing is to tell the girls you are a butterfly and they will leave you alone. In a bargirl's life I am sure she will differentiate who she likes and who she does not irrespective of the money earned. Ofcourse they will show you their jealousies if you try to take another girl from the same bar. It is no way connected to loosing face. All the people are under no illusion and they know what the mongers do and what the girls do. It is not like they work in a normal office and you are trying to hit on another girl in their office.

Some of you guys try obviously to simplify things since you -maybe unconsciously- recognize the complexity of it all, like:

Thai BG = Pro = Only after your money, no “face” and/or other concerns.

However, the situation with these girls is a little trickier than most of us think. And I am certainly not referring to the newby on his first trip to the LOS.

IMHO the formula is something like this:

Thai BG = (Lack of intelligence x education) x Total financial irresponsibility :/ jealousy, deeply ingrained + Overarching irrationality/sometimes really (and curiously) attached to a Farang. (A severe warning flag goes up when she starts buying things for you.)

No matter whether she is told by you that you are a butterfly (she doesn’t give a sh*%%), or that you are here only for P4P (she sure knows that) she is certainly afraid of losing you as a customer but she will still be seriously jealous, unpredictable at times, and yes, she will protect “face”, even more when she likes a guy and he is good to her, can fuck well and doesn’t kick her around like her former husband who she get divorced from when she was 20. The chance that she will also get physically violent depends, but there is a good possibility for that.

Those of you who are somewhat new to this scene and are from the West try to understand a few things, it’s not just screwing and paying for it.

Crazykf:

You have a point there: It gets really bad for the Farang -when attacked by the TG- if he defends himself and she carries some clearly visible signs of this. Under not circumstance that should happen, otherwise you're in for trouble. let's hope it doesn't to us.

Don't over-anayze this bargirl shit... Fuck her, pay her and kick her out. Tomorrow is a new day!

NicF:

I like that! Cheers to you!

[QUOTE=Frankfurter]IMHO the formula is something like this:

Thai BG = (Lack of intelligence x education) x Total financial irresponsibility[/QUOTE]

Please excuse me for saying so, Franfurter, but this is both offensive and inaccurate.

I suppose the reason many punters like to tell themselves that prostitutes are unintelligent is related to misogyny and moralism, ('only a stupid girl would do that', or 'fucking for money is bad, therefore only a dumb would resort to it'), but of course in reality it is a reasonable choice, and not in any way a sign of bad character, lack of intelligence, or irresponsibility.

I might even go so far as to say its the height of hubris to think we have the right to judge them - we pay to fuck them, not patronize them.

To take this line of thinking a bit further, I'll tell a story:

I have a regular, for some three years now. She used to get on my nerves a lot because her behavior was erratic and seemed unreasonable, but there were few girls in my small town who were good in bed, so I put up with it. I suppose it was related to drug use and/or a troublesome boyfriend.

Anyway, I was just remarking today as I lay in bed with the girl after a session, that she had mellowed out tremendously. I knew she had long ago left working at the local brothels or for any mamasans, just keeping a few regulars. She related that she doesn't even drink much anymore, much less take drugs, and holds down a regular job making 13 baht per hour in an internet shop.

I relate this only to say that her life is as complex as any of ours, and more difficult than most (though hardly some tragic tale). I only ever saw the tip of the iceberg, and to categorically expect her to be able to insulate me from the other parts of her life may have been asking too much.

The way she dealt with things wasn't always perfect, but was far from unintelligent or irrational. I could totally relate over the years when she tried to pry more money from my tight hands - made me think of conversations I'd had with the family back home. And, finally, as she gets older she seems, like all of us, to give up a little, accept the normal defeat, boredom, and hopelessness of working class life, and just arrange things for a little comfort and predictability (I can only wonder if this will adversely effect her sack-ability).

Anyway, I know I'm no better than her.

Good view point and good report, Opebo, I respect your opinion yet tend to stick to mine until I -hopefully- find somebody more permanent who at least somewhat meets acceptable criteria. Hard in the BB scene, unfortunately.

[QUOTE=Frankfurter]Good view point and good report, Opebo, I respect your opinion yet tend to stick to mine until I -hopefully- find somebody more permanent who at least somewhat meets acceptable criteria. Hard in the BB scene, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]
Your POVs have a fair amount of merit Frankfurter, and nobody here is suggesting that you should go out of your way to marry a bargirl. But Opebo is right to flag up the moronic view that people who work in the Thai sex industry are across-the-board stupid. If you can speak Thai, have a few conversations with some 'normal' Bangkokians to learn how to dumb down your take on the bigger picture in Thailand. You may be lucky and find one or two who actually think for themselves, but they will be the exceptions to the rule.

[QUOTE=Frankfurter]Good view point and good report, Opebo, I respect your opinion yet tend to stick to mine until I -hopefully- find somebody more permanent who at least somewhat meets acceptable criteria. Hard in the BB scene, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]I didn't see BB on the abbreviations list and am wondering what it means.
I guess bareback.

Babyback... Petite, young, attractive Asian.
Bait and Switch... Person who shows up is a different one than advertised.
Baja Sur Genitals... From the spanish "the low south".
Balloons Breast... implants.
Bareback... Without condom.
Barracuda... A professional prostitute who's only purpose is to separate you from your money as quickly as possible, preferably without giving you anything in return.
Batin... (Malaysia) Groin massage, but sometimes means Handjob.
BBBJ... Bare Back Blow Job (oral sex without condom)
BBBJTC... Bare Back Blow Job to Completion (oral sex to orgasm)
BBBJTCWS... Bare Back Blow Job to Completion with Swallowing
BBBJWF... Bare Back Blow Job With Facial
BBFS... Bare Back Full Service (sex)
BBS... Barber Shop
BBW... Big Beautiful Woman

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1897[/url]

[QUOTE=Frankfurter]Some of you guys try obviously to simplify things since you -maybe unconsciously- recognize the complexity of it all, like:

Thai BG = Pro = Only after your money, no “face” and/or other concerns.

However, the situation with these girls is a little trickier than most of us think. And I am certainly not referring to the newby on his first trip to the LOS.

IMHO the formula is something like this:

Thai BG = (Lack of intelligence x education) x Total financial irresponsibility :/ jealousy, deeply ingrained + Overarching irrationality/sometimes really (and curiously) attached to a Farang. (A severe warning flag goes up when she starts buying things for you.)

No matter whether she is told by you that you are a butterfly (she doesn’t give a sh*%%), or that you are here only for P4P (she sure knows that) she is certainly afraid of losing you as a customer but she will still be seriously jealous, unpredictable at times, and yes, she will protect “face”, even more when she likes a guy and he is good to her, can fuck well and doesn’t kick her around like her former husband who she get divorced from when she was 20. The chance that she will also get physically violent depends, but there is a good possibility for that.

Those of you who are somewhat new to this scene and are from the West try to understand a few things, it’s not just screwing and paying for it.[/QUOTE]

With all due respect to your opinion, after 30 years of being a resident and frequent visitor to LOS, I have come to the following conclusion:

Most bar girls have two basic goals:

1) To make as much money as possible selling their bodies.
2) To catch a Farang to look after them long term in the same easy lifestyle they have become accustomed to by working in the bar.

IMHO, they will do and say anything to you including jealousy, violence, buying gifts, etc. to achieve these goals. And, they are the best actresses in the world.

My formulas look like this:

"He is good to her" = More money
"Can fuck well" = Pops fast

I agree that many bar girls are uneducated and financially irresponsible, however, one I've gotten to know pretty well recently has a college education and saves 95% of what she makes on the game. That said, her goals and attitudes are still in line with what I mentioned above.

Just my POV.

OAH

Pink: Sorry, BB is my abbrev. for Bar Beer.

OAH:

I envy you!

In 20 yrs. of coming to LOS I've never come across a higher ed BG who saves her money. Great. But I am still alive and looking. I once was invited to KMUTT in BKK though, but these girls at the faculty there are as much in reach as the moon! (But they sure speak English well)

Thanks guys for being patient with me but I just had a somewhat heavy occurence with a girl I liked and who liked me. It's all good now, only minor injuries.

I think the conversations amongs "oldtimers" like us on ISG is also meant as some sort of enlightenment for firsttimers who think coming to Thailand is some uncomplicated free-for-all porn playground thing with no questions asked.

Take care.

[QUOTE=Frankfurter]Pink: Sorry, BB is my abbrev. for Bar Beer.[/QUOTE]Ok. No problem & thanks. That was my #2 guess :D

[QUOTE=Frankfurter]In 20 yrs. of coming to LOS I've never come across a higher ed BG who saves her money.[/QUOTE]Why would that be? Does a higher education correspond to being stupid with one's finances?

[QUOTE=Frankfurter]The kinds of Isan TG we punters are able to meet have -on average- maybe an IQ between 60 and 70....

...you will face a condition when she engages you in a heated argument, most likely because of unjustified jealousy. You will then find the mix of limited intellectual capabilities, entirely irrational behavior and a totally different thought process either amusing or, at worst and when alcohol plays a role, dangerous and nightmarish. Mutual language incapacities are added to the dangerous mix....

...this latent and potentially violent irrationality which can be a result of a lack of culture and education.[/QUOTE]Very astute observations. Alcohol just adds gasoline to the fire in the world of the emotionally immature Thai woman (and not just bargirls).

You can't completely fault poor people for their low intelligence. A poor diet and lack of early childhood education stunts intellectual growth. And rarely do the poor get a chance to improve on this as they get older. Except of course, possibly through the money earned on their backs (again rarely, though).

It's best to get away from any volatile situation with a Thai woman as soon as you can. Your life and extremities are at risk!

They sure know their cell phones and fake designer bags, though! :)

Thailand? Not interested of AIDS.

The arrogance is getting thick in this thread. People always want to dehumanize those beneath them on the social scale by claiming they are 'less intelligent' or in some way lacking in character. You fellows are falling into an age old trap with manifold aspects - enslavement by hubris.

[QUOTE=Opebo]The arrogance is getting thick in this thread. People always want to dehumanize those beneath them on the social scale by claiming they are 'less intelligent' or in some way lacking in character. You fellows are falling into an age old trap with manifold aspects - enslavement by hubris.[/QUOTE]
Hear hear. And it's one of the silliest forms of idiocy, closely related (the other side of the coin) to the mentality that results in naiive farang being fleeced by wily bargirls

[QUOTE=Opebo]The arrogance is getting thick in this thread. People always want to dehumanize those beneath them on the social scale by claiming they are 'less intelligent' or in some way lacking in character. You fellows are falling into an age old trap with manifold aspects - enslavement by hubris.[/QUOTE]

Was it not OTH who said that all Thai people are idiots, especially P4P ladies?
As i recall he claimed to back up some of his claims with "facts".

[QUOTE=Opebo]The arrogance is getting thick in this thread. People always want to dehumanize those beneath them on the social scale by claiming they are 'less intelligent' or in some way lacking in character. You fellows are falling into an age old trap with manifold aspects - enslavement by hubris.[/QUOTE]I think you've characterized this discussion correctly. But I also think, based on many of your "reports," that you purposely do not venture beyond P4P relationships with Thai women. Why is this?

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]But I also think, based on many of your "reports," that you purposely do not venture beyond P4P relationships with Thai women. Why is this?[/QUOTE]

I'm not that interested, and prefer P4P for the variety and ease. But I have often also had girlfriends and giks in Thailand. Its just not as appealing - a lot of work for less reward.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I'm not that interested, and prefer P4P for the variety and ease. But I have often also had girlfriends and giks in Thailand. Its just not as appealing - a lot of work for less reward.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. I was just curious as I enjoy your reports, especially the ones from Isaan. What you write makes perfect sense.

Me? I have two Thai GFs and when I venture out occasionally for P4P it just feels hollow to me. The P4P sex is OK, sometimes very good, but with no "relationship," (however casual), it just an act for me. Of course, though, with two GFs, my life can resemble a bad Thai soap opera at times.

On the flip side, I was back in the states recently for a month, and having no women available, or at least not knowing where to even start, was a stark reminder of how lucky I am to have a life in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I'm not that interested, and prefer P4P for the variety and ease. But I have often also had girlfriends and giks in Thailand. Its just not as appealing - a lot of work for less reward.[/QUOTE]Or maybe just over your budget?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Or maybe just over your budget?[/QUOTE]

No. By my definition girlfriends or giks are those I spend little or no money on. Mostly in those types of relationships we do things by 'American shares' as the Thais call it. If you're paying a lot for your 'girlfriends' or 'giks' then I'd say they're just P4P, Nic.

[QUOTE=Frankfurter]OAH:

I envy you!

In 20 yrs. of coming to LOS I've never come across a higher ed BG who saves her money. Great. But I am still alive and looking. I once was invited to KMUTT in BKK though, but these girls at the faculty there are as much in reach as the moon! (But they sure speak English well)
[/QUOTE]

Frankfurter,

OK, so she did not graduate from Chula but she does have a 4 year degree from a Central Thailand university. As is typical, her English reading and writing skills are far better than speaking. I speak with her in Thai.

She tries to save all her money but like most she is an easy touch for the family which frequently sets her back somewhat. That said, she spends nearly nothing on herself.

She is only the second college grad BG I have met in 30 years. The first one I met in Bangkok I ended up living with for 4 years. She saved nothing and spent every baht that she could get her hands on but she had no family obligations. She just wanted gold, designer clothes and bags, a car, etc. Finally, she left me for another farang with more money.

My point is that education does not necessarily result in financial responsibility and vice versa.

Just my POV.

OAH

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Frankfurter,

obligations. She just wanted gold, designer clothes and bags, a car, etc. Finally, she left me for another farang with more money.

OAH[/QUOTE]JUst the money? Give the lady some credit man. If it just was for the money, and you stayed with her for 4 yrs? I would rather say your looks, performance in bed, your ability to give her sanuk on general basis and of course dosh.

You seem a little bitter and blame it on cash. Well, get a better job man. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Kunden Geil]JUst the money? Give the lady some credit man. If it just was for the money, and you stayed with her for 4 yrs? I would rather say your looks, performance in bed, your ability to give her sanuk on general basis and of course dosh.

You seem a little bitter and blame it on cash. Well, get a better job man. Good luck.[/QUOTE]

Of course, there were other factors. She kept pushing me to marry her which I was not ready to do at the time. They guy she left me for did. I am not sure if he had more money than me, but he was willing to give her more anyway.

Just my POV.

OAH

Here's my story.

The virgin: I met and married a virgin when I was 24. After seven years of marriage she left me and took more than half of my money. During the time she was with me she constantly sent money to her parents.

They built a plain new 4 stories house with my "our" money. She held no job during that time because she was too busy flying back home to see her parents.

I loved her a lot and trusted her 100%, which is why I put a lot of money into her name via land purchases. A lot of our investments went up, but I did not see any of those gain. I was simply content and lucky enough to get my principal back.

After the divorce I moved to Thailand and have been living here with a girl I met at Nana. Although, I don't express any love for her or buy her new things like I did my ex. At times I have been a complete A-hole to her, she still loves me. I have also told her that I will not marry her because once is enough for me, so continues to take care of me.

She has stop working for over a yr to live with me while going to college and is making decent grades. She in her 2nd yr now.

I give her nothing in the way of money, so she has little to no money.

The moral of the story is girls are different. Treat each circumstance different and never be stupid like I was.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]...She has stop working for over a yr to live with me while going to college and is making decent grades. She in her 2nd yr now.

I give her nothing in the way of money, so she has little to no money...[/QUOTE]
So how is she paying for her college? Is she performing tricks?

AndyBKK,

No PM for you... so I'm curious.. was your first wife a virgin Thai?

LBM

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]Here's my story.

The virgin: I met and married a virgin when I was 24. After seven years of marriage she left me and took more than half of my money. During the time she was with me she constantly sent money to her parents.

They built a plain new 4 stories house with my "our" money. She held no job during that time because she was too busy flying back home to see her parents.

I loved her a lot and trusted her 100%, which is why I put a lot of money into her name via land purchases. A lot of our investments went up, but I did not see any of those gain. I was simply content and lucky enough to get my principal back.

After the divorce I moved to Thailand and have been living here with a girl I met at Nana. Although, I don't express any love for her or buy her new things like I did my ex. At times I have been a complete A-hole to her, she still loves me. I have also told her that I will not marry her because once is enough for me, so continues to take care of me.

She has stop working for over a yr to live with me while going to college and is making decent grades. She in her 2nd yr now.

I give her nothing in the way of money, so she has little to no money.

The moral of the story is girls are different. Treat each circumstance different and never be stupid like I was.[/QUOTE]Andybkk,

For us oldtimer here how can we believe this a nana girl going to college. Learning what? How can you join college after YOU FINISH JUST NORMAL SCOOL; my daughter gos to technic scool similar college and don t know yet x what she will learning for a job. Have a look in this and at least college cost one day 100 baht without transportation. No fees no uniform included. One month college need 4000 baht at least

There is a lot of discussion on this forum about guys getting used by their Thai girlfriends. The fact is that a lot of us like to be used, and want to be used. Whether we admit it or not.

I've always been a very submissive guy, and the kind of relationship I can get into with a Thai girl is perfect for me. However the problem is that I still have no focus or desire to stay together long term, so I end up with some problems.

For example I was recently visiting a girl in one of the soapies (I won't say which one) a lot, and from the start I developed a very 'sub' routine with her. She was very young and pretty, a thin 19 year old, and very haughty too. I wasn't allowed to have sex with her, just to kiss her feet (she would stand over me on the bed and shove them in my face, while she showed off her pussy to me from above. I wasn't even allowed to lick her pussy, though she did sit on my neck as I lay on my back, and look down at me laughing. This position cuts off your air. Also she would grip my neck in a scissors grip and cut of my air. She also slapped my face a LOT. So while this happened I was masturbating and finally in the end I come from her grabbing my balls ver hard while I'm masturbating.

I have to tell you guys that when this is your taste in sex, a lot of girls really jump on it and want you for a bf. To be fair to them I do carry on a lot when I'm being submissive. Like I say I love them and they own me and that kind of talks.

Some are weirded out by it and don't want to see you again, but others catch on fast. For example this girl that I was talking about demanded a big tip (1000 baht) in addition to the soapy fee the first time. Then every time I went back it went up. First to 2, 000, then 5, 000. She then got into the 'sex' a lot more. But she always had some excuse for the increases. It was her birthday or she had her rent due, etcs.

But then she proposed that I be her 'fan' or boyfriend, and that I have to go to her hometown with her, and buy her some jewelry. I can't, cause I'm already 'married' to a Thai woman (not a working girl), and anyway I can't get into any more expense than maybe 10, 000/month or so or my real girlfriend will know.

I really wish I could keep seeing this girl (she's great), but I can't go back now, and I have stopped receiving her phone calls. This has happened to me before. Ecalation and then I have to just cut it off. Have any of you guys experienced like this?

[QUOTE=Lordberners]I really wish I could keep seeing this girl (she's great), but I can't go back now, and I have stopped receiving her phone calls. This has happened to me before. Ecalation and then I have to just cut it off. Have any of you guys experienced like this?[/QUOTE]

I don't know about the submissive stuff.... But the escalation and cutting off of contact is what most guys go through with girls in South East Asia.

True some make contact and stay together forever. But the vast majority is a quick relationship. They know it and try to siphon off as much as they can as fast as they can from you.

[QUOTE=Jeff46]Andybkk,

For us oldtimer here how can we believe this a nana girl going to college. Learning what? How can you join college after YOU FINISH JUST NORMAL SCOOL; my daughter gos to technic scool similar college and don t know yet x what she will learning for a job. Have a look in this and at least college cost one day 100 baht without transportation. No fees no uniform included. One month college need 4000 baht at least[/QUOTE]Must be Ramkhamhaeng open university where they have those three month open program modules for around 800 Baht fee. So yeh, it is possible.

And apart from the US, you can also call this a college.

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]An interesting dialogue in response to my post about the current cost of sponsorship.

OTH's comment about a middle class girl is sound, however, how many 26 yo, hot, middle class girls want to have anything to do with a 50+ yo farang? How many want anything to do with a farang period? When they walk down the street with a farang, what do the locals think? IMHO, this is why most farang take the easy route with bargirls or naive poor country girls.

Just my POV.

OAH[/QUOTE]Honestly what % of those 50+ farangs or even 30-40 y/o around bangkok fall into the middle aged "rock star/actor" like category?

Michael Douglas wife is how many years younger, Cathy Zeta Jones.

Mick Jagger is what 60, but no beer belly.

OK, yes the rock stars and actors have money BUT they also have a persona and physical appearance(Meatball excluded) that younger women are attracted to. Sorry but I have yet to see a similar persona in the expat population.

From a fat old guy like me.

[QUOTE=Humilde]Honestly what % of those 50+ farangs or even 30-40 y/o around bangkok fall into the middle aged "rock star/actor" like category?

Michael Douglas wife is how many years younger, Cathy Zeta Jones.

Mick Jagger is what 60, but no beer belly.

OK, yes the rock stars and actors have money BUT they also have a persona and physical appearance(Meatball excluded) that younger women are attracted to. Sorry but I have yet to see a similar persona in the expat population.

From a fat old guy like me.[/QUOTE]Do not forget here in Thailand a girl once she is 30 and have no boy friend or thai Husband ist over for her. So once 26 you will hear them already saying oh oh I am very soon 30 old already. So 26 30 with farang 50+ no problem for them. Depends may be on the outlook and money of farang 50+ but generaly here in Thailand for a 26 30 thai girl 50+ farang is ok. Even in up country. IMHO 65+ no go. But have also some depends here on the money. Then is money wise only.

[QUOTE=Jeff46]Do not forget here in Thailand a girl once she is 30 and have no boy friend or thai Husband ist over for her. So once 26 you will hear them already saying oh oh I am very soon 30 old already. So 26 30 with farang 50+ no problem for them. Depends may be on the outlook and money of farang 50+ but generaly here in Thailand for a 26 30 thai girl 50+ farang is ok. Even in up country. IMHO 65+ no go. But have also some depends here on the money. Then is money wise only.[/QUOTE]

Many years ago when I was living in Thailand, a very good friend said to me, "It's all about money or its all about nothing".

Just an update on my sponsorship question a few months ago...

The reason I had asked about sponsorship is that I had met a girl in a bar in Pattaya the first day on the job. I am relatively certain it was really her first day. Just broke up with Thai b/f and had an aunt working in Pattaya.

I think I got hooked because of the fantasy of the first farang scenario.
As LBM told me when we had breakfast in Pattaya last month, every farang always says, "My girl is different".

Fortunately, I never made the mistake of sending any money, but I did visit every month or so since January and paid her when I was with her at normal rates.

When I first met her, she would have accepted 10k per month. After the first month in Pattaya, she wanted 20k per month. Now, she wants 30k per month, plus a new house for mom, etc. It is based on her earning potential Evidently, she prefers to sleep with a different guy every day for the same amount of money hoping she will meet a "fool" in shining armor to give her everything she wants.

As expected, the longer she stays in Pattaya, the more hardcore and cunning she gets. The last time I was with her was not very enjoyable.

As the relationship comes to an end, I have learned again that they are all the same and consider farangs to be nothing more than an ATM machine. This has been posted too many times to count, however, we will always have those that think, "My girl is different". The truth is that we are fooling ourselves.

Just my POV.

OAH

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]"My girl is different". The truth is that we are fooling ourselves. OAH[/QUOTE]

Can I ask how old she was? I agree with what you write especially the longer on the job the worse it gets. BUT... I know some older ladies who are or were in the game that have gotten out and really taken care of their guy.

I"m starting to think there is an age line... before this line they are mercenary and after that line there is hope and after another line they can be great girls.

Just my POV but I'm finding some older girls lately that are spectacular. And by older I mean over 28. Mostly 28-30 year olds...

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Can I ask how old she was? I agree with what you write especially the longer on the job the worse it gets. BUT... I know some older ladies who are or were in the game that have gotten out and really taken care of their guy.

I"m starting to think there is an age line... before this line they are mercenary and after that line there is hope and after another line they can be great girls.

Just my POV but I'm finding some older girls lately that are spectacular. And by older I mean over 28. Mostly 28-30 year olds...[/QUOTE]

Tansak KTV,

She is 26. I agree that the older they get, the more practical. Case in point is another good friend of mine that retired in Pattaya at 65. He had a good savings and a nice pension. He met a girl over 30 and asked her to live with him. She stayed and took great care of him until he died at 76. That said, he bought her a house, a car and invited her teenage son to stay with them. I am not sure how much he gave her every month.

I still think it is up to earning potential. There was another girl in the same bar where my girl worked that was also 30+. She found her shining knight from the USA, quit working, and went back to the farm to wait for him for 10k per month. When I asked my girl why she agreed to such little money in comparison, she said that that 10k was the same as this girl was earning in the bar since she was not that attractive and did not get barfined as often.

When it comes to regular girls, the driver I use in Thailand offered to set me up with a "normal girl" in Bangkok. She owns a small hair salon but wanted to meet a farang. He told me she was only 29 so I agreed. She came to my hotel bearing fruits. She was plain looking and a bit chunky but I figured for free what the hell. I took her to dinner and we headed back to my hotel. She was drinking pretty heavily at dinner so I figured I had a good chance. A couple of beers later and we were fooling around and she had her hand in my pants. When I started to make the move for the bed, she asked me for 3,000 Baht. I asked her what kind of girl she was. She felt guilty and finished me off with a HJ. I gave her taxi fare (120 Baht) and sent her on her way. I reckon she just figured that farangs were ATM machines and if she was going to let me do her on the first date, I should pay her for it.

I draw the line at 30. If the girl is over 30, I reckon I should not have to pay or support. There are plenty of freebies out there in this category.

Just my POV.

OAH

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]..."It's all about money or its all about nothing".

....she wanted 20k per month. Now, she wants 30k per month, plus a new house for mom, etc. It is based on her earning potential ...they are all the same and consider farangs to be nothing more than an ATM machine. This has been posted too many times to count, however, we will always have those that think, "My girl is different". The truth is that we are fooling ourselves.[/QUOTE]

I guess its fairly obvious that this is true of bar girls, but I've had a few relationships with middle class girls where no money whatsoever passed from me to her, and in general we went 'dutch-treat'. And they were getting older (29-30 at the beginning), and only average in appearance.

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I draw the line at 30. If the girl is over 30, I reckon I should not have to pay or support. There are plenty of freebies out there in this category.[/QUOTE]

That age group are not the girls I bar fine..... Just girls I've found that will come over at 3 am and bang the hell our of me, wash my clothes, make my food, etc....

28-30 year olds are kind of becoming very very very enjoyable for me after I hunt for the 23 to 25 year olds.

[QUOTE=Opebo]I guess its fairly obvious that this is true of bar girls, but I've had a few relationships with middle class girls where no money whatsoever passed from me to her, and in general we went 'dutch-treat'.[/QUOTE]I've also heard this referred to as "American share."

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]...As expected, the longer she stays in Pattaya, the more hardcore and cunning she gets. The last time I was with her was not very enjoyable...[/QUOTE]I've also noticed that the longer a young woman stays in the game and the more successful she is, her physical appearance and mannerisms start to dramatically change. Often she starts to look sexier in a "commercial" way, but the funny thing, for me, is that women like this all start to look and act alike. That's why it is so easy to spot a P$P girl out in the daylight.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]I've also heard this referred to as "American share."[/QUOTE]

Yea that's what its called up here in Isaan, for sure. No one will know what you're talking about if you say 'Dutch Treat'.

I have been writing in Bangkok Reports about a girl I meet. I think she has dumped me. No calls from her and no answers on my calls.

I used to know how to play my cards, but im not that guy anymore. I guess I was to pushy and to interested in her. Damn, I really wanted her. Damn stupied farang I am. Or maybe it was the best anyway, but I think Im a little in love and will regret this. I guess she was a regular girl and not after my money (only), because then she would not have dumped me so fast huh? Or she thinks Im a complete idiot heh.

Now I move on from Bangkok, I think =)

[QUOTE=Kid Icarus]I have been writing in Bangkok Reports about a girl I meet. I think she has dumped me. No calls from her and no answers on my calls.[/QUOTE]

Kid it not matter what you did or not do. One day love, one day hate. Just when you think you are doing everything right they'll get mad at you, when you treat them like dirt they can love you, it's amazing and unpredictable and when you think you know everything or figured things out you will ultimately realize that you actually know jack shit.

The guys that think they know all the answers are usually the ones that live in their own fantasy world. If you figure out thai women (besides buying them completely) you'll probably be the first guy on this board to figure them out.

I can find the girls, I can fuck the girls, but don't ask me to figure out the way their fucking mind works. Welcome to thailand.... For some reason I think you will be back over and over and over....

From the way it sounds, be thankful you are out of it with her. Grab the next piece of ass and nail her all night long.

Kid,

The only thing that you might have done on your last date was not pay enough attention to her. Maybe while you were with her you might have bad habits like one of my good buddies ( Big Butterfly ) while the girl is talking to him he has his neck stretched out looking at every other girl. We once rode a Songthaw from Walking St. to Big C, and he claim that this girl was the one but during the ride up 2nd Rd. while holding her hand and she looking at him I never saw a guy exercise his neck in that manner. The next day the girl stop answering his calls!

Sometime Thai girls just turn off their phones, for whatever reason I don't know and this might fall in the catagory of a lie to you but isn't to them. She might tell you no battery or left it or misplaced the phone. My same friend yesterday said he had to bring some soup to this girl he met at a salon, he was suppose to be there at 10:30 am at her shop, he decided to call her before leaving no answer so he just went over to the shop, shop close no answer for the whole day and she requested the soup! Thai's in general have no consideration!

Wait another day or so and since you know where she works go to the restaurant, she wouldn't do this to you, she had your picture up on the wall next to the King, her sister is with a Danish and you being Swiss that was a match made in heaven! Don't give up, but in the meantime do as Tansak suggested before she calls up or maybe she is stalking you outside your hotel.

LBM

Thanks for all advice and input. All I can say for now is that it feels like im in the movie Bladerunner...

[QUOTE=Kid Icarus]I have been writing in Bangkok Reports about a girl I meet. I think she has dumped me. No calls from her and no answers on my calls.[/QUOTE]

She did you a BIG favor.

You're not even fucking 30 yet so no point to fall in love now and especially not from a girl whose language and culture you do not understand.

Have fun, you're in BKK for fuck's sake! go around, fuck the honeys and when you're done, fuck them again. what else are you going to do? visit the temples or museums? you have time for that, trust me, that's a good part of being an old fart, you can't fuck all day so it lets you time to read, visit adn shit.

HAVE FUN !!!

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]what else are you going to do? visit the temples or museums? [/QUOTE]

Are there temples in Thailand?

Ran into a former Regular massage girl and we chatted a bit...

She asked me why I did no longer go to see her and I told her that I was busy with work (yeah, like she believed it! LOL).

She confessed being in love with a German guy and that his mum was completely against it. She did not like Thailand, Thai people and certainly not massage ladies. The son is planning a move to Thailand and they were geting married.

She has totally quit the "Kinky" massage business and now works in some upmarket spa that does not offer extras.
She however told me that no matter how many guys were demanding it, she wasn't even doing HJs anymore. Good for her.

She also said that many men had "Smelly" dicks and that Thais were the worst. She also said that sometimes even though foreigners hit the shower, their dicks were still smelly and they were getting angry when she wanted to only do Cover BJ.

She assured me that many thai girls love the feeling of a dick in their mouth but guys need to be very clean adn also very patient as some girls want to try but it takes time for them to be comfortable with it.

Anyhow, I just thought I would share this with whoever is interested.

Dear Mr. The Pro,

Thank you for visiting. I remember when you first came on the board and make a long response to OTH, regarding the experience he had with his taxi driver mishap. Your had a long list of things you would have done if you were in his shoes. I myself went through that list and responded and it was a good list but we just agree to disagree on some items. But through the months something change in your post from giving good information and experiences to just lately disagree to just get a rise out of the others. Our experience are just that and we would never be able to change a individual experience just because we didn't experience the same thing. This is what many try to do with OTH. But your post now no matter how accurate the information is provided you find the need to go the opposite way. If I say and everyone agrees that the the distant is 1.5, you will disagree and say it is 1.6 actually!

Even when you agree you disgree for the sake of getting on everyones nerve.
As many have said to you " you don't practive what you preach " You wrote on the General Thread for others to write regarding LL, and yet you continue on the General Thread doing what you ask others not to do! You have done this on other threads!

Someone said you are the Former "The Traveler" and I could always be wrong! but recently I did lots of research and you come real close to at guy name " Domino " that got banned for being a Serial Antagonist. If people go back and read some of the exchanges between the Domino and The Traveler I would say you are Domino simply because of your ability to just disagree even when you have no defense for your position! You sound like a guy that just wants to stir it up and see your post but really have nothing constructive or informative to contribute. I ask What happen? You get invitations to meet with other posters and certainly can make a simple booking to LL, under another name and then state your opinion and many would respect that opinion as good or bad but you go on and on about something you never experience just because you don't like the location. Give me and others something more? maybe by staying there yourself and giving us a factual experience instead of just getting on peoples nerve and contradicting yourself.

Your starting to lost creditebility and sounding very " UNPRO"


Thank you for your time! LBM

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]She also said that many men had "Smelly" dicks and that Thais were the worst. She also said that sometimes even though foreigners hit the shower, their dicks were still smelly and they were getting angry when she wanted to only do Cover BJ.[/QUOTE]
Sorry can't speculate about smelly dicks, but it does make me recall pussies with different smells or tastes. I'm not a doctor but I have stayed at the Holiday Inn Chit Lom and it is obvious that diet and smoking habits play a big part. Ladies that are heavy smokers seem to have a certain smell oozing from their skin and other sweaty crevises. Not a turn-on. For thai ladies eating a steady diet of hot peppers seems to result sometimes in a hot-favored Y. All of this is not always true however, and I can only speculate that showering 2 or more times a day can greatly neutralize these odors and tastes. That said, there is reallly nothing better than a fresh smelling pussy . . .You are what you eat!

[QUOTE=Westsider]Sorry can't speculate about smelly dicks, but it does make me recall pussies with different smells or tastes. I'm not a doctor but I have stayed at the Holiday Inn Chit Lom and it is obvious that diet and smoking habits play a big part. Ladies that are heavy smokers seem to have a certain smell oozing from their skin and other sweaty crevises. Not a turn-on. For thai ladies eating a steady diet of hot peppers seems to result sometimes in a hot-favored Y. All of this is not always true however, and I can only speculate that showering 2 or more times a day can greatly neutralize these odors and tastes. That said, there is reallly nothing better than a fresh smelling pussy . . .You are what you eat![/QUOTE]


Westsider,

That is good and dandy regarding pussy! but I'm still unclear as to what is causing someone from having a smelly dick aside from someone not bathing regularly? If that was the case it would be more than just their dicks smelling?

Personally, I bath several times a day and keep LBM nicely trimmed and happy since you just don't know when the little soldiers is going to be called to duty?

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Personally, I bath several times a day and keep LBM nicely trimmed and happy since you just don't know when the little soldiers is going to be called to duty? LBM[/QUOTE]

It's amazing what a little trimming and grooming can do for the soldiers. :D :D

I attribute my good hygiene for the soldier in bathing, trimming and Hanes boxers!

LBM

I've been chatting with a Pattaya girl on DIA. Just very preliminary polite stuff. Sent her some of my travel pics and she refered me to her photo site. Long story short: She had a beautiful collection of pictures of her in various vacation spots such as Macau, HK, PHuket, etc.

Here's the transcript of our short conversation:

ME: Wow, You have a great collection of photos. I've also been to several of those places: Hong Kong, Macau, Phuket, Kata Beach, Karon Beach. Are you a professional model? If you are not a model, you should be one. The pictures are certainly very high quality. Who ever took them should be congratulated. I need some time to go through all of your pics. Thanks for the link.

HER:No, i am not a model. i just like to take photos and keep it for the future when my beauty start to fade

next email:
ME:Your boyfriend or photographer has done a beautiful job with the pictures. :)
Very tastefully done....

HER:u know my BF?
Who is that? U like to judge people?
Good to not know u


OK Guys. Did I say something wrong? I'm generally the sensitive type. Why did she slam me?

[QUOTE=Xdentx]I've been chatting with a Pattaya girl on DIA. Just very preliminary polite stuff. Sent her some of my travel pics and she refered me to her photo site. Long story short: She had a beautiful collection of pictures of her in various vacation spots such as Macau, HK, PHuket, etc.

Here's the transcript of our short conversation:

ME: Wow, You have a great collection of photos. I've also been to several of those places: Hong Kong, Macau, Phuket, Kata Beach, Karon Beach. Are you a professional model? If you are not a model, you should be one. The pictures are certainly very high quality. Who ever took them should be congratulated. I need some time to go through all of your pics. Thanks for the link.

HER:No, i am not a model. i just like to take photos and keep it for the future when my beauty start to fade

next email:
ME:Your boyfriend or photographer has done a beautiful job with the pictures. :)
Very tastefully done....

HER:u know my BF?
Who is that? U like to judge people?
Good to not know u


OK Guys. Did I say something wrong? I'm generally the sensitive type. Why did she slam me?[/QUOTE]

Obviously the BF comment set her off and only she would know why. Here's an idea, if you truly want to know the reason, write her back and ask her why she reacted the way she did telling her you meant no harm. Sometimes the most harmless comments can set these girls off, in real life it's worse but there are many others on DIA, might be time to move on.

[QUOTE=Xdentx]...OK Guys. Did I say something wrong? I'm generally the sensitive type. Why did she slam me?[/QUOTE]Typical crazy Thai woman BS. Once they're mad and have decided they don't like you it's a waste of time. I think it's even worse on DIA. There's some serial crazy women on there. Forget about it and move on.

My thinking: I'll just move on. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Xdentx]

OK Guys. Did I say something wrong? I'm generally the sensitive type. Why did she slam me?[/QUOTE]

Xdentx

I also contact this girl on DIA a while ago and chatted with her on MSN. In both her initial reply on DIA and the following chat she was very interested to know if I had been to Thailand before. And I have, quite frequently, which seemed to make her loose interest. I can only speculate in her motives, but I found her a bit weird to be honest, so I left it there. She seems to be immensely popular among guys on her various net communities, which I can understand.

[QUOTE=Tim Bone]Xdentx

I also contact this girl on DIA a while ago and chatted with her on MSN. In both her initial reply on DIA and the following chat she was very interested to know if I had been to Thailand before. And I have, quite frequently, which seemed to make her loose interest. [/QUOTE]

I can totally understand that. A lady I know is also popular on DIA site and she would NEVER meet a guy who visited LOS before because she just assumes he came here for sex.
The mere fact that guys use prostitutes makes them lowlives persons in the regular girl's eyes. It's a fact. So better tell the ladies you have never been to LOS.

Yes, it might be a lie, but who gives a crap? you're not looking for a wife right? so no point to care ;)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I can totally understand that. A lady I know is also popular on DIA site and she would NEVER meet a guy who visited LOS before because she just assumes he came here for sex.[/QUOTE]Or just possibly, they think that a newbie might be easier to fleece?

It's all about the money with most of these girls, except for the ones who want a [i]hansum man[/i] to carry their purse around while they shop! LOL!

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]It's all about the money with most of these girls, except for the ones who want a [i]hansum man[/i] to carry their purse around while they shop! LOL![/QUOTE]

Absolutely... a toy boy.
You see a lot of older Thai ladies with these young 20-25 year old studs... but it's all about money... the stud's not free ;)

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Or just possibly, they think that a newbie might be easier to fleece?

It's all about the money with most of these girls, except for the ones who want a [i]hansum man[/i] to carry their purse around while they shop! LOL![/QUOTE]

I was also thinking more in that direction

[QUOTE=Tim Bone]I was also thinking more in that direction[/QUOTE]My GF, a sometimes bargirl, told me last night that most Thai women, (P4P I assume), prefer [i]farang[/i] who don't live in Thailand, or haven't been here many times. She said in Thai, "man on holiday don't care and spend more money," or something to that effect.

I thought this was an interesting comment as I hadn't asked her about it. But then a little later in the evening, she got really mad at me about something I said, packed up all her things, and left. I know she is expecting several old clients to come to town soon, so maybe the first statement was a little hint of what was to come later. I normally don't give her a lot of baht, but she never goes hungry, or lacks for new clothes or shoes.

You just never know with these women as their logic often works in a backward, and/or, sideways fashion. But I've found this to be somewhat true with women throughout the world, not only in Thailand!

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]My GF, a sometimes bargirl, told me last night that most Thai women, (P4P I assume), prefer [i]farang[/i] who don't live in Thailand, or haven't been here many times. She said in Thai, "man on holiday don't care and spend more money," or something to that effect. [/QUOTE]

That's what she said... but what she meant was: Farangs that live in Thailand know too much ;)
which means the ladies won't be able to manipulate you that easily...

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]That's what she said... but what she meant was: Farangs that live in Thailand know too much ;)
which means the ladies won't be able to manipulate you that easily...[/QUOTE]

She probably meant both - the great majority of farang living in Thailand make far less than the tourist visitors. Teachers are a majority of working expats, and make only around 30-40 thousand baht per month. Most of the rest are retirees, whose wealth is of course highly variable from one to the next.

I had been e-mailing her about 1 1/2 years ago on DIA. I think she is looking for "THE Boyfriend" who will take care of her. I went to Thailand to try and meet up with her and it never happened. Got the "I am busy", "I am busy", "I am busy" routine. No worries, time to move on to the next.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I can totally understand that. A lady I know is also popular on DIA site and she would NEVER meet a guy who visited LOS before because she just assumes he came here for sex.
The mere fact that guys use prostitutes makes them lowlives persons in the regular girl's eyes. It's a fact. So better tell the ladies you have never been to LOS.

Yes, it might be a lie, but who gives a crap? you're not looking for a wife right? so no point to care ;)[/QUOTE]In my opinion it would be better to tell her that you have been in a few SEA countries before and also in Thailand and just toured around the country as you like the culture and would to get to know local people, but is a little hard to get in tough. Mention a few places but avoid Pattaya. She will ask. My standard answer is that I have heard about Pattaya but never went, even more avoid it, as it is a place where only the loosers of the western world make their holiday. That always has worked quite well as that subject was never discussed thereafter.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]My GF, a sometimes bargirl, told me last night that most Thai women, (P4P I assume), prefer [i]farang[/i] who don't live in Thailand, or haven't been here many times. She said in Thai, "man on holiday don't care and spend more money," or something to that effect.

I thought this was an interesting comment as I hadn't asked her about it. But then a little later in the evening, she got really mad at me about something I said, packed up all her things, and left. I know she is expecting several old clients to come to town soon, so maybe the first statement was a little hint of what was to come later. I normally don't give her a lot of baht, but she never goes hungry, or lacks for new clothes or shoes.

You just never know with these women as their logic often works in a backward, and/or, sideways fashion. But I've found this to be somewhat true with women throughout the world, not only in Thailand![/QUOTE]An expat is far less likely to "fall in love," to send 25,000 baht a month to someone he doesn't even live with in a foreign country, to accept any kind of an attitude, and to believe that a bowl of noodles costs 100 baht. He also tends not to be "on holiday," so the idea of blowing a whole lot of cash just isn't usually on the agenda.

[QUOTE=Taloha]I had been e-mailing her about 1 1/2 years ago on DIA. I think she is looking for "THE Boyfriend" who will take care of her. I went to Thailand to try and meet up with her and it never happened. Got the "I am busy", "I am busy", "I am busy" routine. No worries, time to move on to the next. [/QUOTE]Let's see, living in Pattaya, looking for a farang on a dating website, has photos from trips to nice spots in Macau and HK. I think that would send a few warning signals. I don't know, I find DIA has a real mix. I meet many ladies who obviously are out to be taken care of, a good number who perpetually lie (I have a 9-5 office job, but can be found online every night at 2-4am). Then there are others who are nice, just looking for a serious boyfriend. I would say there are just as many who are interested in someone who has been to Thailand before as there are those who aren't. I'd say the former are far more trustworthy then the latter.

OK I have this non P4P Uni Masters Student who happens to have an identical twin. I've gotten to them both but one is getting married so I'm left with just one.

I was going to take her off to a conference in Hanoi after I come to bkk next week but me and big mouth... she happens to mention to me that she is not happy at her Asset management part time work and wanted something in HR (her masters is in HR) and something in tourism.

My big mouth opens and I say, hey I'm chatting with the Executive Director of XXXX hotel (probably one of the top 5 hotels in BKK) hold on a minute... she gets an introduction, she gets an interview, she gets friggin hired and starts today.

She calls me today with the GREAT news, not only is she a trainee but she's getting PAID (in this economy??? as a trainee are you kidding me) and meals and laundry but they will also let her work around her masters class schedule.

Bye bye week long holiday with her in Hanoi but as she says... she'll love me forever and never forget me for helping her...

FUCK................

Hello any bar girls with passports wanna go to Hanoi?????

Note to self... I do myself no good when I talk... just shut up and screw em...

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]OK I have this non P4P Uni Masters Student who happens to have an identical twin. I've gotten to them both but one is getting married so I'm left with just one.

I was going to take her off to a conference in Hanoi after I come to BKK next week but me and big mouth. She happens to mention to me that she is not happy at her Asset management part time work and wanted something in HR (her masters is in HR) and something in tourism.

My big mouth opens and I say, hey I'm chatting with the Executive Director of XXXX hotel (probably one of the top 5 hotels in BKK) hold on a minute. She gets an introduction, she gets an interview, she gets friggin hired and starts today.

She calls me today with the GREAT news, not only is she a trainee but she's getting PAID (in this economy? As a trainee are you kidding me) and meals and laundry but they will also let her work around her masters class schedule.

Bye bye week long holiday with her in Hanoi but as she says. She'll love me forever and never forget me for helping her.

FUCK.

Hello, any bar girls with passports wanna go to Hanoi?

Note to self. I do myself no good when I talk. Just shut up and screw them. [/quote]You did a good thing. I'm sure she will more than make up for you in the long run.

If you guys are into students, My Thai colleague told me that there is a BIG game now among uni girls... the more they fuck, the more points they accumulate.
Points are attributed according to some rules (age, situation, location of the fuck... ).
He promised he would send me the Blog where they post all this shit.

That would explain why a lot of UNI students were giving me "looks" today at central world... and some of them are absolutely gorgeous!

TIT

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]If you guys are into students, My Thai colleague told me that there is a BIG game now among uni girls... the more they fuck, the more points they accumulate.
Points are attributed according to some rules (age, situation, location of the fuck... ).
He promised he would send me the Blog where they post all this shit.

That would explain why a lot of UNI students were giving me "looks" today at central world... and some of them are absolutely gorgeous!

TIT[/QUOTE]Thats a good one. How would you start a conversation this them. If you cross some or one in central worl or mbk. Hello, how are you or what?

I mean you look her in the eyes. And then say what?

Approch technic. Any suggestion. Welcome

[QUOTE=Jeff46]Thats a good one. How would you start a conversation this them. If you cross some or one in central worl or mbk. Hello, how are you or what?

I mean you look her in the eyes. And then say what?

Approch technic. Any suggestion. Welcome[/QUOTE]

Very easy to approach them... you have to play it very natural.
If at Central world, just smile, excuse yourself for disturbing and ask them where is Starbucks coffee (or some other seated shop). Joke that the mall is too big and you are kind of lost :)
they will either tell you they don't know or point you to the right direction.
Once that is out of the way, thank them and tell them they are invited to join you if they want.
That way, they know where you will be and know you are interested.
surprisingly, some might accept. :D

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Very easy to approach them. You have to play it very natural.

If at Central world, just smile, excuse yourself for disturbing and ask them where is Starbucks coffee (or some other seated shop). Joke that the mall is too big and you are kind of lost.

They will either tell you they don't know or point you to the right direction.

Once that is out of the way, thank them and tell them they are invited to join you if they want.

That way, they know where you will be and know you are interested.

Surprisingly, some might accept..[/QUOTE]Another approach would be to register on some thai dating sites where a lot of uni girls are and just send them a message like "Do you want to score some points? ".

Pretty Quiet here so I thought I'd post this from my email box this morning. This girl, has changed her story so many times it is funny and why and how she needs 5,000 baht, but it is always only 5,000 baht (less then the cost of dinner and the cost of a suite for a day or two so not much). I've known this girl for a few times, nailed her and her sister, she keeps asking for funds but just doesn't seem to understand that she will get funds only for services provided.

The first request was for move back home and stop work bar because she love me mak mak jing jing, the second request was for move to pattaya to make more money then at home, the third request was for money for apartment, the fourth request was for send kids to hospital in bkk for make them healthy as they are sick, the fifth request was for dead brother, the sixth request was for medicine for kids, the seventh request was apartment again and not worry about sick kids they are healthy and back at home, now the eight request is for one child who died and needs to pay for medicine and funeral only 5,000 baht but not worry the other child is OK and healthy and mom will come pay me....

I should note that mom is getting 100,000 baht from bank on Dec 22 for sure Jing Jing and they pay me back for sure... And I should further clarify that the girls she works with are telling me all about this lady, how she sells yaba and owes everyone money and that her kids are NOT dead and she's still working bar....

Very creative stories from some girls... enterprising for sure...

""i sorry about phone and not come see you . because i have to take care my baby mak mak in hospital jing jing . my beby have mak mak sick 2 day ago but now 1 beby nt stay with me now them dead now docter cannot help them 1 beby be ok now but you know how i feeling i cannot eat cannot sleep now . how many my family dead now i feel bad jing jing have mak cry . honey but i not want and ask you about it but i don no what can i do now. befroe i ask you about money for room you not help me i be ok mai pan rai but now can you help me please for take 1 beby dead go back to home make them go sky please i need 5000b because i have nit noy money now .1 have to paly for beby dead 1 have to paly hospital for med . i no have money jing jing because bank paly to mom 22 dce please you have to holp me now. my mom say not worry jing jing we will paly you for money back jan mak mak mom will go with me for paly to you and she want to say thank you mak mak for help we everything about porblem. honey help we please i not feel good jing jing so bad mak mak sure . and if you cannot help me i don no what can i do for about it. and i need take care you in jan but if you want i take care friend i can do if you be ok happy about it honey i can do everything for you want now you tell me i will do everything sure . i no who can help me i need only 5000b. but i know i ask you mak mak about money please 1 more time please i will not do not ask again jing jing sure . i wait to you let me know ro phone please i no time sorry mak for not see you and ask you about money , honey not mo ho me nana i not feel good jing jing take care love you mak mak""

The Rabbit KTV,

Very interesting... and I think this shows one thing :D

Even The Rabbit "14 fucks a day" KTV can't make a honey love him so mutt... proves that even if you screw then 1 or 14 times, they'll love you just the same LOL

Ok, Joking aside, thanks for the good laugh.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]The Rabbit KTV,

Very interesting... and I think this shows one thing :D

Even The Rabbit "14 fucks a day" KTV can't make a honey love him so mutt... proves that even if you screw then 1 or 14 times, they'll love you just the same LOL

Ok, Joking aside, thanks for the good laugh.[/QUOTE]

I love opening my monger email account, the drama from the various girls is always better then coffee in the morning. And yes, of course the girls love me (as long as my wallet is open). :)

After last trip, I had 3 girls (the one who wrote the email was one) stay with me the last night as they wanted to kiss me good bye (one from pats, one from isaan / bkk, one from lao). But there was a 4th girl and I really like this one, smoking hot body and incredible in the sack with the best pussy I've had in a long long long time.

She also came up to BKK to kiss me goodbye, we ended up only screwing 7 times before I left, and the other girls were happy videographers and did join in for a few times also so I was well relieved leaving BKK. And hell if the Thai First Class Check in ladies didn't give me some shit and bad looks for having four obvious bar girls with me kissing me and holding each other (even some nice fake tears from them, i'm sure sorry to see the wallet leave thailand). The thai agents acted like it's the first time they ever see a monger fly first class but they know me on a first name basis, so maybe it was taking 4 girls to the airport this time :)

Anyways the girl I really enjoy nailing, she said since she knows I'm coming back and will violate her so many times that she surely will not be able to work when I am around, she asked if she could have partial payment up front. When I stalled she said, she would go home for new year and if she is at home she would give her pussy a rest as she knows I'm coming right after new year so she'd make sure her pussy was fresh and relaxed (whatever that means for a working girl). :D

But it was a creative argument and approach so I fronted her a little advanced payment :) I'm not totally heartless .... I'm just a wh@re....

I cant decide if I want to be you or not..

But, how does it feel to first have a letter about that her child is sick, and now one that has ended up dead? If shes lying, it's pretty sick, if not, well.. it's sad her baby died but sad she plays (try) with your conscience.

[QUOTE=Kid Icarus]I cant decide if I want to be you or not..

But, how does it feel to first have a letter about that her child is sick, and now one that has ended up dead? If shes lying, it's pretty sick, if not, well.. it's sad her baby died but sad she plays (try) with your conscience.[/QUOTE]

Kid, I am really not sure Thailand is for you.
Or should I say "mongering" isn't.
You need to take a more laid back approach, don't be so paranoid, fuck as many honeys as you can, have a good time and always assume Bargirls are lying b*tches that would say anything to get some Baht out of you.

Worked well for me, 5 years working here, hundreds of TG under my belt and the only worries I get is that my business doen't make enough money to buy me a ferrari. :D

Joking aside, Stop Worrying and start having fun.

[QUOTE=Kid Icarus]I cant decide if I want to be you or not..

But, how does it feel to first have a letter about that her child is sick, and now one that has ended up dead? If shes lying, it's pretty sick, if not, well.. it's sad her baby died but sad she plays (try) with your conscience.[/QUOTE]

Kid I swear to god you gotta get laid more... If anyone needs to get his ashes hauled it is you my friend....

I know she is lying about the funeral OK because I had sex with one of her relatives and still talk to her.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Kid, I am really not sure Thailand is for you.
Or should I say "mongering" isn't.
You need to take a more laid back approach, don't be so paranoid[/QUOTE]

Haha thats maybe a real true one. I think I can get a little paranoid sometimes yes, I admit that. I mean, I cant even be 100% sure the girls I nail is real women and not operated ones sometime. But, in Kuala Lumpur I met a girl in a "Health Center" that made me scream "this is the best fuck in my life wohooo". When we finished she started this typical for ladyboys (what I think) "oh handsome honey, oh honey, honey honey honey lets get married tomorrow oh honey". But at this point I did not care, the fuck was good and in my eyes she was a lady.

So sometimes I win over the paranoia :D

[QUOTE=Kid Icarus]Haha thats maybe a real true one. I think I can get a little paranoid sometimes yes, I admit that. I mean, I cant even be 100% sure the girls I nail is real women and not operated ones sometime. But, in Kuala Lumpur I met a girl in a "Health Center" that made me scream "this is the best fuck in my life wohooo". When we finished she started this typical for ladyboys (what I think) "oh handsome honey, oh honey, honey honey honey lets get married tomorrow oh honey". But at this point I did not care, the fuck was good and in my eyes she was a lady.

So sometimes I win over the paranoia :D[/QUOTE]

Hahaha, wow, there are a lot of things going through your mind while having sex LOL

In a not so distant past, our friend OTH wrote that while being Fucked, a Thai lady would not think about anything other than what she was going to have poo pra ra in her next som tam or not.

How long are you in thailand for? if it is more than 10 days, then it is more than enough to line up several non-P4P girls (without Falling in love).
get 10 dates and you might manage to fuck 3 of them. that's a pretty good number.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Hahaha, wow, there are a lot of things going through your mind while having sex LOL[/QUOTE]
I'm raised with catholic valuations and were put in a catholic ortodox school first 6 years until I'm were 14 and managed to quit. You had to confess every time you had masturbated as one example. Top with that I have always been (very much) interested in sex, porn etc so maybe thats why some conflicts sometimes appears in my head..

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]
In a not so distant past, our friend OTH wrote that while being Fucked, a Thai lady would not think about anything other than what she was going to have poo pra ra in her next som tam or not.

How long are you in thailand for? if it is more than 10 days, then it is more than enough to line up several non-P4P girls (without Falling in love).
get 10 dates and you might manage to fuck 3 of them. that's a pretty good number.[/QUOTE]
Maybe if I were a WB I would do that too, maybe all do but sometimes they manage them self to enjoy for real.

I'm trying all the time when I see a doll in the mall or were els I go. I'll update you in this mission for sure =)

[QUOTE=Kid Icarus]I'm raised with catholic valuations and were put in a catholic ortodox school first 6 years until I'm were 14 and managed to quit. You had to confess every time you had masturbated as one example. Top with that I have always been (very much) interested in sex, porn etc so maybe thats why some conflicts sometimes appears in my head.[/QUOTE]Well, believe it or not, I was also raised a Catholic and sent to Catholic School, except, I never gave a fuck what they were trying to tell/teach me. Somehow, the idea of a man born by immaculate conception and whose father is an invisible man living in the sky never really rang true to me.

[quote]I'm trying all the time when I see a doll in the mall or were els I go. I'll update you in this mission for sure[/QUOTE]If you're young and decent looking, then you aren't trying hard enough. Many many girls are game for talking.

Just go to any girl with a map, a magazine or something, tell them you have an appointment at a place but you are early, you would like to have a coffee and if they can recommend a place. Then invite them to join you. You'd be surprised how well such a dumb approach works.

Also, going to Paragon or Emporium, some sales girls are really up for grabs. Pretend to go shopping, ask her questions about the garments and then start to get more personal, tell them they are very cute and that their boyfriend are very lucky to have such a pretty girl. You'd be surprised how many will lie and tell you they don't have a boyfriend (that's your entry point) so take the opportunity and take them somewhere. Of course, if you ask them to take a drink at your hotel, better be a nice one, they won't fuck a guy who stays in a shack worse than the ones they live in.

They won't let you go to their place because 1, they might not live alone and 2, they live in places where Farangs aren't really abundant so everyone would take her as a hooker if seen with you.

Good luck

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Well, believe it or not, I was also raised a Catholic and sent to Catholic School, except, I never gave a fuck what they were trying to tell/teach me. Somehow, the idea of a man born by immaculate conception and whose father is an invisible man living in the sky never really rang true to me.

If you're young and decent looking, then you aren't trying hard enough. Many many girls are game for talking.

Just go to any girl with a map, a magazine or something, tell them you have an appointment at a place but you are early, you would like to have a coffee and if they can recommend a place. Then invite them to join you. You'd be surprised how well such a dumb approach works.

Also, going to Paragon or Emporium, some sales girls are really up for grabs. Pretend to go shopping, ask her questions about the garments and then start to get more personal, tell them they are very cute and that their boyfriend are very lucky to have such a pretty girl. You'd be surprised how many will lie and tell you they don't have a boyfriend (that's your entry point) so take the opportunity and take them somewhere. Of course, if you ask them to take a drink at your hotel, better be a nice one, they won't fuck a guy who stays in a shack worse than the ones they live in.

They won't let you go to their place because 1, they might not live alone and 2, they live in places where Farangs aren't really abundant so everyone would take her as a hooker if seen with you.

Good luck[/QUOTE]Hi,

May sound stupid. But if pick up girls in these places, do you need to pay them if they do spend a night with you?

Thanks

[QUOTE=David D]... But if pick up girls in these places, do you need to pay them if they do spend a night with you? ...[/QUOTE]


Usually no, but before they spend the night (or a few hours in your room) with you, you will probably have to do some shopping (new mobile phone, clothes, bags, shoes, perfume, etc.) with them and it might cost you a lot more in "gifts" than in cash with "real" P4P girls. It's not very different than with a regular girlfriend in most Western countries, then...

[QUOTE=Goyave]Usually no, but before they spend the night (or a few hours in your room) with you, you will probably have to do some shopping (new mobile phone, clothes, bags, shoes, perfume, etc.) with them and it might cost you a lot more in "gifts" than in cash with "real" P4P girls. It's not very different than with a regular girlfriend in most Western countries, then...[/QUOTE]

Yes, you do not pay them but offer gifts.

Let's put it this way, if you would ask a sales girls out for a date in your country, would you tip her at the end for her company? ;)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Yes, you do not pay them but offer gifts.

Let's put it this way, if you would ask a sales girls out for a date in your country, would you tip her at the end for her company?.[/QUOTE]Of because I will. Just having difficulty how to give them the money. Like, thanks for the company, this is for your cab etc? You know. Sorry I am not good at pick up gals. Usually go straight to P4P gals. But once awhile do like to have some challenges.

Thanks

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Yes, you do not pay them but offer gifts.

Let's put it this way, if you would ask a sales girls out for a date in your country, would you tip her at the end for her company? ;)[/QUOTE]Of cos I will pay them. Just don't know what to say when give them money. Like, here, thanks for you company and these are for you cab etc?

I am not good at picking up gals. Usually I go straight to paid gals. But once awhile I do like the challenges.

Thanks again.

Brother, I just can't stand reading this anymore!

I am 62 and have picked-up Thai ladies. Not Pros. I have ONLY taken them shopping IF we had an ongoing "relationship". Example: Several nights together and enjoying each others company. Read: Girlfriend. Don't worry, she will give you "hints" anyway.

To "offer gifts" prior to the "first act" would be culturally offensive to the girl
and would make you look like another Dumb Farang. IMHO you would be "groveling". Not that any true monger has a problem with that, LOL.

Cheapy

[QUOTE=David D]Of cos I will pay them. Just don't know what to say when give them money. Like, here, thanks for you company and these are for you cab etc?

I am not good at picking up gals. Usually I go straight to paid gals. But once awhile I do like the challenges.

Thanks again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cheapy]Brother, I just can't stand reading this anymore!

I am 62 and have picked-up Thai ladies. Not Pros. I have ONLY taken them shopping IF we had an ongoing "relationship". Example: Several nights together and enjoying each others company. Read: Girlfriend. Don't worry, she will give you "hints" anyway.

To "offer gifts" prior to the "first act" would be culturally offensive to the girl
and would make you look like another Dumb Farang. IMHO you would be "groveling". Not that any true monger has a problem with that, LOL.

Cheapy[/QUOTE]

Actually, for me it is the opposite. I found that, with non P4P Thai ladies, if you treat them to a nice time (read: spend a little cash) then chances are very high you will fuck on the first date. And, by gifts, it really doesn't have to be that expensive.

She sees a 300thb tank top she likes, you buy it for her, she will be very happy with the gesture, will peg you as a "jai dee" and from then on, no problem getting into her sweet box.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Actually, for me it is the opposite. I found that, with non P4P Thai ladies, if you treat them to a nice time (read: spend a little cash) then chances are very high you will fuck on the first date. And, by gifts, it really doesn't have to be that expensive.

She sees a 300thb tank top she likes, you buy it for her, she will be very happy with the gesture, will peg you as a "jai dee" and from then on, no problem getting into her sweet box.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps the line between P4P and non-P4P ladies isn't that clear-cut. I know of one example where a lady who worked at a clothing store met a British guy who was buying things for her and having sex with her. He didn't give her any cash. And after a while she left him without saying good-bye to him. She didn't want to see him anymore. And this guy had some trouble understanding why she was so upset with him.

My Thai lady happened to be on friendly terms with his former girlfriend. And she knew what happened. His girlfriend was upset because he didn't give her any cash for sex. And that's what my Thai lady told him, when we met him on the street.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy

Worked well for me, 5 years working here, hundreds of TG under my belt and the only worries I get is that my business doen't make enough money to buy me a ferrari. :D.[/QUOTE]G-dam recession strikes again! Will there be no end to the pain and suffering?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Actually, for me it is the opposite. I found that, with non P4P Thai ladies, if you treat them to a nice time (read: spend a little cash) then chances are very high you will fuck on the first date. And, by gifts, it really doesn't have to be that expensive. .[/QUOTE]I agree with NicFrenchy. My experience with non-P4P girls is that 80%-plus of them will fuck you on the first date. The hardest part is getting them to go out with you. Even that, however, isn't that hard.

I probably ask out 5-10 Thai chicks a week. I'm not a young stud by any means but I only ask out 9's and 10's in their 20's. I would estimate that about 25% of the Thai chicks I hit on give me their phone number and 80% of those will fuck me on the first date.

What's my pick up line? "Hello, my name is? And I want to be your boyfriend. " (accompanies by a big, big friendly smile)

Yup, that simple and that stupid. It works for me.

[QUOTE=Xdentx]I've been chatting with a Pattaya girl on DIA. Just very preliminary polite stuff. Sent her some of my travel pics and she refered me to her photo site. Long story short: She had a beautiful collection of pictures of her in various vacation spots such as Macau, HK, PHuket, etc.

Here's the transcript of our short conversation:

ME: Wow, You have a great collection of photos. I've also been to several of those places: Hong Kong, Macau, Phuket, Kata Beach, Karon Beach. Are you a professional model? If you are not a model, you should be one. The pictures are certainly very high quality. Who ever took them should be congratulated. I need some time to go through all of your pics. Thanks for the link.

HER:No, i am not a model. i just like to take photos and keep it for the future when my beauty start to fade

next email:
ME:Your boyfriend or photographer has done a beautiful job with the pictures. :)
Very tastefully done....

HER:u know my BF?
Who is that? U like to judge people?
Good to not know u


OK Guys. Did I say something wrong? I'm generally the sensitive type. Why did she slam me?[/QUOTE]I know Vic too! She must have 100 different bikinis and been in a 100 different resorts. She lots of photos on hi5 too.

I am staying at Pattaya right now and I am not a regular writer here. I stayed here for 5 months so I can say I am " experienced ". They would not easily trick me

Nevertheless 4 days ago I took my number so and so from Beach road and she succeeded at late night in a flash of a moment (15 seconds not being attentive is enough)to put something in my drink. Being unconscious. " sleep " for 10 hours and my apartment was robbed by 3 rats from beachroad. (the two assistents came later as the video showed later)

I just tell it here to warn all of You!. And don't say that it will not happen to you because I can tell you I am not an old tart or something. And I it happens a LOT.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]If you guys are into students, My Thai colleague told me that there is a BIG game now among uni girls... the more they fuck, the more points they accumulate.

Points are attributed according to some rules (age, situation, location of the fuck... ).
He promised he would send me the Blog where they post all this shit.

That would explain why a lot of UNI students were giving me "looks" today at central world... and some of them are absolutely gorgeous!

TIT[/QUOTE]You ever found out if this was true? Is there a site good for picking up uni girls?

[url]http://www.cleveresource.com[/url]

I have been doing the usually prep for work/vacation here is states before getting to were the real fun is and bumped into this site on CL. Really I figure it is BS or even worse someone trying to cash in on what people give freely here.

If anyone can vouch I might consider but still too much shadiness.

[QUOTE=Johnfits]I am staying at Pattaya right now and I am not a regular writer here. I stayed here for 5 months so I can say I am " experienced ". They would not easily trick me

Nevertheless 4 days ago I took my number so and so from Beach road and she succeeded at late night in a flash of a moment (15 seconds not being attentive is enough)to put something in my drink. Being unconscious. " sleep " for 10 hours and my apartment was robbed by 3 rats from beachroad. (the two assistents came later as the video showed later)

I just tell it here to warn all of You!. And don't say that it will not happen to you because I can tell you I am not an old tart or something. And I it happens a LOT.[/QUOTE]
A long time ago, on my first trip to Thailand and Pattaya, I also went out with some Thai ladies I've met on the walking street in Pattaya. I trusted them. And eventually they put something in my drink, and I passed out. But luckily for me, they didn't put enough of that stuff in my drink. And I didn't pass out where they could easily take things from me. I passed out later in a public place where other farangs were present. And these Thai ladies didn't take anything from me.

I've learned my lesson. And ever since then the only Thai ladies I went out with were those who worked at some establishment, such as a bar, a go-go club, or a massage parlor.

And I'm happy to say that my adventures in Thailand have been relatively trouble-free ever since I've learned that lesson.

When you meet a lady at an establishment where she works. Then you know where to go and where to complain, if the lady does something bad with you. The lady knows this too. And she has a good reason to be on her best behavior with you.

[QUOTE=Dan7373]... I've learned my lesson. And ever since then the only Thai ladies I went out with were those who worked at some establishment, such as a bar, a go-go club, or a massage parlor...

... When you meet a lady at an establishment where she works. Then you know where to go and where to complain, if the lady does something bad with you. The lady knows this too. And she has a good reason to be on her best behavior with you.[/QUOTE]

If you do what I suggested several times (for instance, here: [post]1002906[/post]), you should not have any problem either (never had a single one in more than eleven years of mongering in Thailand), even with freelancers.

My rule is simple when I'm with an FL/SW. If the drink leaves my sight, I order a new one. Not that expensive, I take my toilet breaks between drinks and I never let anyone order drinks for me. Never had anything happen to me so far. Sure there's always a first time, but it pays to make yourself a difficult target.

Maybe I'm Mr. Vanilla and just don't know it.

Sitting in the biergarten, slight commotion couple chairs down. Had overheard a young punter assessing the potential of a girl across the bar, saying that as she was not rail thin, he'd play on her insecurities during contract negotiations (which assumes an English comprehension level that may, or may not, be there). Retreated to a table where he could conduct the job interview in private. Seems that negotiations failed, as 30 minutes later, she was back at her bar seat. He had started to interview another candidate when both parties exited the area, and not in a good way (think management/union).

He was complaining to some friends about how Thai women were so bossy, controlling (huh?), and then she started going off on him, along the lines of "You think you can touch me because you such hansum man" ... Though I do think hers was partially fueled by some artificial stimulants, the way she was bouncing around earlier.

I don't know, maybe I've just led a sheltered life, but, to me, just business... If the contract negotiations fail, well, always more potential candidates around. No reason to get upset. And bossy? Maybe I've just never been able to break through their pleasing facade...

[QUOTE=Finrod]My rule is simple when I'm with an FL/SW. If the drink leaves my sight, I order a new one. Not that expensive, I take my toilet breaks between drinks and I never let anyone order drinks for me. Never had anything happen to me so far. Sure there's always a first time, but it pays to make yourself a difficult target.[/QUOTE]

Very well said! It always pays to be careful. Never give a stranger the opportunity to take advantage. But then again... she has your dick in her mouth at one point of the night so she could jolly well go for a big Bite that you might regret your whole life

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]she has your dick in her mouth at one point of the night so she could jolly well go for a big Bite that you might regret your whole life[/QUOTE]Well, that's a thought that will keep me awake tonight... :)

Caan somebody tell me what Ham Kang means?

TIA

[QUOTE=Tro Pro]Caan somebody tell me what Ham Kang means?

TIA[/QUOTE]

Not sure with your transliteration (it's more likely "ham kaeng", I guess), but if it's what I think (หำแข็ง, in Thai script), that means "hard balls" (testicles).

[QUOTE=Finrod]My rule is simple when I'm with an FL/SW. If the drink leaves my sight, I order a new one. Not that expensive, I take my toilet breaks between drinks and I never let anyone order drinks for me. Never had anything happen to me so far. Sure there's always a first time, but it pays to make yourself a difficult target.[/QUOTE]That is true about the FL's. Had one doing tequila shots with her, back at the hotel, and I catch her taking bathroom breaks to puke them up while she was trying to get me drunk enough and passed out. Nice try on her part. Don't ever turn your back on one, no matter where you find her.

[QUOTE=Goyave]Not sure with your transliteration (it's more likely "ham kaeng", I guess), but if it's what I think (หำแข็ง, in Thai script), that means "hard balls" (testicles).[/QUOTE]I thought it meant 'Erection.' Ham = Dick and Kaeng = Hard.

Did I get it wrong again? Does 'hard balls' mean erection in ISG slang?

[QUOTE=Saint Mint]I thought it meant 'Erection.' Ham = Dick and Kaeng = Hard...[/QUOTE]

You're right on this one. I know another expression where "หํา" (ham -> dick) is used instead of "ไข่หํา" (khay ham -> testicles), but here, it's more likely "strong dick" than "hard balls", indeed. In my limited knowledge of Thai slang, "ควย" (khwuai) is more often used for speaking about the penis (cock, dick, etc.).

Not doing much of the p4p scene these days, but have a serious thai gf and been living with her for about a year. She has a large peacock tattoo on her back, and one of a chain on her belly. I read somewhere that almost all thai women who have tattoos are p4p. Is that true?

She is ultra-secretive and even has a second FB page that I am nowhere on, but I have doubts that she is a pro, just because she doesn't seem like the type. Meaning, she would be the worst hooker ever. I do suspect she is cheating on me, and I live in korea, so difficult for me to find out for sure. Any advice on how to find out about cheating Thai gfs?

[QUOTE=Martinbluther69]Not doing much of the p4p scene these days, but have a serious thai gf and been living with her for about a year. She has a large peacock tattoo on her back, and one of a chain on her belly. I read somewhere that almost all thai women who have tattoos are p4p. Is that true?

She is ultra-secretive and even has a second FB page that I am nowhere on, but I have doubts that she is a pro, just because she doesn't seem like the type. Meaning, she would be the worst hooker ever. I do suspect she is cheating on me, and I live in korea, so difficult for me to find out for sure. Any advice on how to find out about cheating Thai gfs?[/QUOTE]There seem to be a contradiction with your remarks " been living with her for about a year" "and I live in Korea" where are you living and where is she living? Use some common sense here and think how you met her and where you met her? Generally, in my opinion a person with Tattoos weren't born yesterday and have a little adverture in them. Not a P4P you would know better than anyone. But being secretive in any person any country is just basically dishonest and your a second FB account?

[QUOTE=Martinbluther69]I do suspect she is cheating on me, and I live in korea, so difficult for me to find out for sure. Any advice on how to find out about cheating Thai gfs?[/QUOTE]

Simple, I have in my limited experience here slept with many thai girls "Sponsored" by idiot farangs sending money to LOS and not even living there.

Give out her details and surely someone will be able to tell you if she is open for a relationship or not.

As for the tatoo, forget it, I have a lot of my staff who have tatoos, it is trendy and inno way means they are hookers. The person who told you that is an idiot.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Simple, I have in my limited experience here slept with many thai girls "Sponsored" by idiot farangs sending money to LOS and not even living there.

Give out her details and surely someone will be able to tell you if she is open for a relationship or not.

As for the tatoo, forget it, I have a lot of my staff who have tatoos, it is trendy and inno way means they are hookers. The person who told you that is an idiot.[/QUOTE]Cool. I am keenly aware of the situation, I. E. Idiot farangs, and I appreciate your reply. Thanks. I wondered about the tattoo thing. What do you mean when you say give out her details? Email, etc? Or just find a farang friend who can contact her and see if she is on the up-and-up?

[quote=martinbluther69] I do suspect she is cheating on me, and I live in korea, so difficult for me to find out for sure. Any advice on how to find out about cheating thai gfs?[/QUOTE]I had a thai gf and also suspected she was cheating. I was away from her for a long time (about 6 months) and strongly told her. "okay. I know what you've been doing. I hired a person to watch you and I know you were in a restaurant. Then a hotel with someone. "

I was saying total bullshit! I had no idea!

She said. 'what are you talking about? " I said. "you know what I am talking about. Either tell me or we are finished! "

This was a total guess on my part but cheaper than actually hiring a detective. Well she confessed to one thing. Then another. Then I got a complete story. (or maybe I didn't but I knew she had cheated).

This may work for you or maybe it won't. I did a total bluff and it worked.

Now the other side of the story. I was away from her for 7 months. I said I would come back soon and I didn't. She probably thought I was bullshitting her. Obviously many farangs do. So she was not at total fault. She sent me postcards, emails, and letters almost daily. She shipped me candy and I didn't send her a dime except for a $50. 00 birthday gift yet she still kept in close correspondence. Many emails included pictures and special signs with my name.

So who is wrong? I pose this question for all? She had seen 2 other men over an 7 or 8 month period. I think I have to take some fault. We cannot expect these women to be loyal and wait for us. Especially if we do not help them financlailly. Which I did not! I only gave promises!

I was very pissed off at her but I also found out she did not introduce the other men to her family. She had shown me to all including her children and close friends.

So again, I pose the question. Who is wrong or is anyone wrong? Was I a dick? Yes sometimes I think so. We have to look closely at both sides and particularly the differences in cultures!

Other opinions welcome!

[QUOTE=Martinbluther69]What do you mean when you say give out her details? Email, etc? Or just find a farang friend who can contact her and see if she is on the up-and-up?[/QUOTE]

Well, if you really want to know, then you can PM me her details (email won't work).

- Picture, place of work is a good start... or where she eats... then I can try to help you. All I need is about 1 hour to tell you if she fucks around. No sex. Just will see if she is open for a drink and some kinky talk.
If you want to know whether she has sex, i'm not your guy, I no longer do that but surely another ISG member will step up.

[QUOTE=Martinbluther69]Not doing much of the p4p scene these days, but have a serious thai gf and been living with her for about a year. She has a large peacock tattoo on her back, and one of a chain on her belly. I read somewhere that almost all thai women who have tattoos are p4p. Is that true?

She is ultra-secretive and even has a second FB page that I am nowhere on, but I have doubts that she is a pro, just because she doesn't seem like the type. Meaning, she would be the worst hooker ever. I do suspect she is cheating on me, and I live in korea, so difficult for me to find out for sure. Any advice on how to find out about cheating Thai gfs?[/QUOTE]99. 9% of the Thai girls with farang man are in it for the money. The more the better. And they lie and cheat and have absolutely no poblems doing so. If you are in doubt you can be pretty sure she is cheating. The only way to have your suspicion confirmed is to hire a private eye to follow her closely while you are away. But why waste that money. Don't fall in love. Instead, enjoy life and hire them by day, week or month. You cannot buy a Thai girl, you can only hire her.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Actually, for me it is the opposite. I found that, with non P4P Thai ladies, if you treat them to a nice time (read: spend a little cash) then chances are very high you will fuck on the first date. And, by gifts, it really doesn't have to be that expensive.

She sees a 300thb tank top she likes, you buy it for her, she will be very happy with the gesture, will peg you as a "jai dee" and from then on, no problem getting into her sweet box.[/QUOTE]
Can you describe a typical first date and what you spend on? Also, what age is girl?

[QUOTE=Triplehans]You cannot buy a Thai girl, you can only hire her.[/QUOTE]
This is kinda true. Thai women will always pick family first. So no matter how much money you throw out, it's very difficult/impossible to make her love you more than her family. If you "hit and run" in Thailand, you'll win almost everytime. If you invest, then that's another story!

...for one of the Hill Tribes people to get a legitimate Thai National ID card?

I imagine it would involve some greasing of the officials' palms. Mordida to be paid, etc.

Gentlemen, why is it important to know whether your hired hoe is cheating on you when you are thousands of miles away? Please get real. Just like you are a butterflying monger, she is a girl who does it for money. With you and everyone else.
I met this nice (but eventually boring) TG at the old Thermae years ago. She took me home where above her bed was a nice miniature Norwegian ryija rug done in the traditional style. She had gotten it from a Norwegian boyfriend, who had made a couple of trips to Bangkok to see her. As I kept banging her, I tried to understand what it said: "Välkom store eller små, alla som här bankar på" or some shit like that in Norwegian (mine is a lousy attempt at Swedish).
I finally figured out that her Norwegian boyfriend well understood what his girlfriend was all about. For the text on the traditional ryija read: "Welcome big and small, her bang all."
I am not saying that serious flings cannot lead to permanent unions with bargirls, but there is no chance for them to succeed if you add long distance to the many other complications. FFF is a smarter policy if you cannot be there with her.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Can you describe a typical first date and what you spend on? Also, what age is girl?[/QUOTE]

I usually fork about 3 to 5k (depending on the number of friends she brings on that first date). I pick them usually between 25/35, younger than that I am not interested to do babysitting.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I usually fork about 3 to 5k (depending on the number of friends she brings on that first date). I pick them usually between 25/35, younger than that I am not interested to do babysitting.[/QUOTE]
Spend on dinner and shopping? If she is with friends, how do you separate her from the friends at the end of the date to get her in bed? What is success rate/percentage on bedding her on first date?

[QUOTE=Vittu]Gentlemen, why is it important to know whether your hired hoe is cheating on you when you are thousands of miles away? Please get real. Just like you are a butterflying monger, she is a girl who does it for money. With you and everyone else.

I met this nice (but eventually boring) TG at the old Thermae years ago. She took me home where above her bed was a nice miniature Norwegian ryija rug done in the traditional style. She had gotten it from a Norwegian boyfriend, who had made a couple of trips to Bangkok to see her. As I kept banging her, I tried to understand what it said: "Välkom store eller små, alla som här bankar på" or some shit like that in Norwegian (mine is a lousy attempt at Swedish).

I finally figured out that her Norwegian boyfriend well understood what his girlfriend was all about. For the text on the traditional ryija read: "Welcome big and small, her bang all. "

I am not saying that serious flings cannot lead to permanent unions with bargirls, but there is no chance for them to succeed if you add long distance to the many other complications. FFF is a smarter policy if you cannot be there with her.[/QUOTE]I can't say I disagree. We should celebrate our position to buy a few at a time and have fun, but certainly do not expect she is obligated to you, in fact you would probably be pretty naive in most cases (notice I said most not all), to think that even if she says she loves you till death, you are anything other than #243 for that year.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Spend on dinner and shopping? If she is with friends, how do you separate her from the friends at the end of the date to get her in bed? What is success rate/percentage on bedding her on first date?[/QUOTE]

You are the Farang, you are the richest person of the group, you should pay for everything, Period.
Dinner is on me for the whole group, but then I am the one who decides the pace of the evening, if I suggest we go somewhere after dinner, then usually the "Party of friends" becomes thinner. Girls will never go alone with you on the first date, they will bring friends for safety (and also to ask their opinion).

Once the dinner is over, some friends would want to go their own way if they know you are a nice guy and it is safe to let their friend alone with you.

Bedding a Thai girls on the first date isn't easy, at all, but you can get lucky.
A good think is that if it does not work out with the girl, maybe a friend will be interested.

The best girls are the Married ones, or the ones already in a relationship because they are only interested in sex.
Usually older women (28+).
My Thai Friends always make fun of the 25 year old Thai single ladies in the office, telling them they are too old now and will never find a man.

Anyhow, I would say you have 20% chances... maybe 1 out of 5. It usually helps a lot if before the "date" you chat with her on msn or other chat systems, you will have already "bonded" and can move right to the: come to my room have a drink.

It's all a matter of Patience.... and luck.

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1284540/CUMBRIA-SHOOTINGS-Its-Thai-girls-text-Derrick-Bird.html[/url]

The Cumbria mass killer and ex taxi driver was sending money vto a Thai chick. It seems to be a common pattern. Hook up with a Thai hooker, get jilted, go on a killing spree.

[QUOTE=The Departed][url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1284540/CUMBRIA-SHOOTINGS-Its-Thai-girls-text-Derrick-Bird.html[/url]

The Cumbria mass killer and ex taxi driver was sending money vto a Thai chick. It seems to be a common pattern. Hook up with a Thai hooker, get jilted, go on a killing spree.[/QUOTE]
Er.....yes. Mass murderers, please form an orderly queue :confused:.

[QUOTE=Doublebogey]I can't say I disagree. We should celebrate our position to buy a few at a time and have fun, but certainly do not expect she is obligated to you, in fact you would probably be pretty naive in most cases (notice I said most not all), to think that even if she says she loves you till death, you are anything other than #243 for that year.[/QUOTE]
Let me try to remember the rest of the story in Bangkok years ago. What she told me indicated that she would never find a successful relationship. She said that her long-time friend, the Norwegian, was coming to town but she was fucking someone else and kept doing so. Needless to say, the Norwegian vanished from the picture.
Yes, these girls lead a tough life. Like trying to resolve the etiquette of who has bought first rights. Aside from the release, each encounter is rich as a learning experience. Can't buy a better sociology course than fucking in Thailand or the Philippines.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]You are the Farang, you are the richest person of the group, you should pay for everything, Period.

Dinner is on me for the whole group, but then I am the one who decides the pace of the evening, if I suggest we go somewhere after dinner, then usually the "Party of friends" becomes thinner. Girls will never go alone with you on the first date, they will bring friends for safety (and also to ask their opinion).

Once the dinner is over, some friends would want to go their own way if they know you are a nice guy and it is safe to let their friend alone with you.

Bedding a Thai girls on the first date isn't easy, at all, but you can get lucky.

A good think is that if it does not work out with the girl, maybe a friend will be interested.

The best girls are the Married ones, or the ones already in a relationship because they are only interested in sex.

Usually older women (28+).

My Thai Friends always make fun of the 25 year old Thai single ladies in the office, telling them they are too old now and will never find a man.

Anyhow, I would say you have 20% chances. Maybe 1 out of 5. It usually helps a lot if before the "date" you chat with her on msn or other chat systems, you will have already "bonded" and can move right to the: come to my room have a drink.

It's all a matter of Patience. And luck.[/QUOTE]Use the date to suss her out. If she's looking for you to buy her gifts straight away, or if her friends are encouraging you to spend big, this is a bad sign. That's impolite in any culture and you're better off cutting her loose and finding someone a little less mercenary.

I'm usually successful by the 3rd date but if I feel that there's not enough attraction from her part of if she's impolite, then it also becomes the final date.

In my experience, once they ask about details about where you're staying or what your place is like, you've done enough to invite her over for some fun.

Been on DIA for abit, mixed opinions really, alot of ladyboys and ladies im not sure are ladies. The latest women asked me to send her a picture of me, my cock, my cock beside a measuring tape. Fucked up if you ask me but it gets worse. She then asks for a picture of me beside a peice of paper that says her name, to confirm its me shes actually speaking to, could this be some kind of scam? or am I just being paranoid. I haven't sent it yet.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Dosto]... The latest women asked me to send her a picture of me, my cock, my cock beside a measuring tape. Fucked up if you ask me but it gets worse. She then asks for a picture of me beside a peice of paper that says her name, to confirm its me shes actually speaking to, could this be some kind of scam? ...[/QUOTE]

Looks like a game to me. Probably just kids or young students who have entered a contest in which each participant is trying to get the more numerous "trophies" of this kind from foreigners! Maybe do they also get bonus points with the picture of the longest dick... :D

By the way, the girl's picture is probably not the real sender's picture. Ask "her" to chat with you from a cybercafé where a webcam is on (if "she" pretends not to have one at home) and you will see with whom you are really dealing with.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I usually fork about 3 to 5k (depending on the number of friends she brings on that first date). I pick them usually between 25/35, younger than that I am not interested to do babysitting.[/QUOTE]

Good lord man, I always went Dutch with non-prositute women of that age range (admittedly I focus more on 30-40 and well-off). Sounds like you're setting your sights too low - you could probably [i]really[/i] freebie some of these women. As it is you're spending more than most of us do on P4P.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Good lord man, I always went Dutch with non-prositute women of that age range (admittedly I focus more on 30-40 and well-off). Sounds like you're setting your sights too low - you could probably [i]really[/i] freebie some of these women. As it is you're spending more than most of us do on P4P.[/QUOTE]

Well, I like Great Food and nice restaurants so even for 2 persons is rarely below 2,000 (wine alone is over 1,000).

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]Since my recent break up with my ex, I am using the fuck with their mind approach and it gets them off so badly, they crawl back asking for more of my liquid vitamin. I would recommend you guys try it if you are planning on staying here for a while or maybe you can do it into your home country.

This is the same approach that many dating coach teaches. The pull and push routine, will keep them wanting to win you over. The direct results of this is deep throat, anal sex, threesomes with your girl, and pretty much anything else you have on your mind because to her the precious few moments spent with you can end at anytime. I think this is why so many ugly broke guys back home ends up with the hotties chicks or the high school thug is able to hook up with the pretties cheerleader.

Oh, what a sad world we live in when all we do is play games. :)

When In doubt use the 4 F approach -

Find them
Finger them
Fuck them
Flee[/QUOTE]Bravo! I much appreciated what have been said above.

I am very very new in this forum, but I just dont know why on earth should I care about the discussion on Thai *****s but this topic is inevitable to ignore because what else could anyone expect in Thailand as tourists or temporary residents.

Tell you fellas, Thais thinking (ladies) r not the same as other people that you ever met especially those that we met as bar girls, *****s, models, just say anything what they are, but there are mere '*****s'.

They are from the rurals and life is hard over there. Not highly educated (mostly poor) but they could read their language well and to change their standard of life they have no other alternative except to sell their bodies so as to help their parents and family. And you will be astonished that some of them are married and venturing thei lives in urban areas to earn their living is just to support the husbands taking care of their children.

So what I am trying to highlight here is to those who just want to have fun with Thai women, then just give your money not your heart because they are talented in capturing your heart and when her destination is fullfilled they will just leave you as if they never met you before. Where they go?
back to their bveloved husbands and children.

Quite a number of foreigners married to these girls (I dunno why) married and stayed 10+ over years but they have to return to their homes and family again leaving you waiting for them to return but they will vanish for long.

So please bear in mind intimating yourself with those *****s, the best step you should follow is just like playing cricket: hit the ball and run.

Never play golf when you are there: hitting the ball but you have to follow and pick the ball again!

Your life will be ending in disaster.

There are many tricks that they will play you out but you cant detect until they bolted away from you then only you know you are being fooled by them all this while.

Their hearts and minds are always their homes and families in Thailand only.
but of course there are some isolated cases tat does nor correspond what have been said above and if you were to meet them, then you are very, very lucky!

[quote=repeedgid]

their hearts and minds are always their homes and families in thailand only.
[/quote]
this is so true!

[QUOTE=Dosto]Been on DIA for abit, mixed opinions really, alot of ladyboys and ladies im not sure are ladies. The latest women asked me to send her a picture of me, my cock, my cock beside a measuring tape. Fucked up if you ask me but it gets worse. She then asks for a picture of me beside a peice of paper that says her name, to confirm its me shes actually speaking to, could this be some kind of scam? or am I just being paranoid. I haven't sent it yet.

Cheers[/QUOTE]I've had those exact requests from couples on AFF more than once + your cock hard, your cock soft.

In that case I assumed it was shit testing and running compliance.

In the case of Thailand I guess it could be trannies.

But, some people are obsessed with the finer details of genitalia, and it's easier to let such obsessions play out online.

The sign pic is a perfectly reasonable request. Lots of people use fake pics on the Internets, and "take a pic where you are holding my name" is a common way around that.

From what you have described I would say just forget that target altogether.
(I get the impression you already have)

If you wanna proceed with caution, or for the sake of conversation, then here's what my paranoia tells me:

If the next series of requests are about your asshole, then yeah, probably a trannie.

If the next series of requests include "put shoe on head", then it's probably someone having a laugh at your expense.

If the next series of requests focus on getting your face and cock in pic at the same time and/or photos of where you live, then it could be someone trying to set you up for blackmail.

Been on the AFF, DIA, TLL, Camfrog scene and never had a lot of weird requests like these. As soon as you see that the girl and yourself hit it off... move to MSN or yahoo messenger. that way you can see each other and chat.

After getting more and more comfortable, you can strip on cam (both of you) and then finally agree to meet someday.
I have been quite successful with these even though I have not participated in a long time.

[QUOTE=Neil Flanders]Hey guys,

A few months ago I reported about my last trip to BKK. I was getting kind of bored with the P4P scene.

My next trip is coming up in a few weeks.

I have prepared it very much.

I have been chatting for two months with girls from a thai dating site.

This time I come to BKK with a dozen of girls waiting for me.

It's pretty cool but I'll probably wont have the time to see them all.

My question to you guys is :

"What are the DOs and DON'Ts when dating regular thai girls?".

Thanks in advance for your advices[/QUOTE]Let us know how many of the "regular girls" are actually regular girls.

This is scary!

[url]http://www.thaimedicalnews.com/thai-girls-cut-off-penis-video/2007/12/08/[/url]

I have often heard of the differences in thai population when it comes to looks. The Lao girls from Isaan are supposed to be different to the ones from the south to the Khmer influenced and so on and that many conaisseurs have told incredible stories about the women from Chiang Mai.

While normally I am totally happy with the so called Isaan looks (dark skin, tiny) I have to admit that the most beautiful girl I have ever met (not only in terms of asian women, met her 3 years ago) came from Phitsanulok in Central Thailand. I have never seen such perfect shaped (somehow big but all natural) tits and ass on a totally slim body before. She was taller than the average Thai and her eyes and mouth really were outstanding. I have to admit she somehow looked much more classy and inapprochably than the girls I usually had the pleasure to meet in Thailand or elsewhere.

Funny, later I found out that one the cutiest WG I ever had the pleasure to f_ck in my hometown also came from ... Phitsanulok.

Allthough she was not as perfect as my all time favourite she had similar features and would easily find a place in my top five ranking. That makes two out of five from Phitsanulok. Could it be there is a kind of secret Garden of Eden right in the middle of Phitsanulok?

I am by no means an expert when it comes to Asian women. I have been to Burma and Thailand, have some Vietnamese and Japanese friends but normally I am not even able to distinguish japanese from chinese people. But these Phitsanulok experience really made me think. So a question to the real experts: Is there a special population in Central Thailand/Phitsanulok that differs from the rest of the country. Or was it simply coincedence? I know personal tastes differ a lot and I am not expecting everybody to concur but please tell me about your personal experience concerning the different "tribes" of Thailand.

[QUOTE=Nullnull]Could it be there is a kind of secret Garden of Eden right in the middle of Phitsanulok?[/QUOTE]
It is true. Google Qj5toLB4lNA and look at the last minute. If hungry for more, go to 5:40

[QUOTE=Nullnull]I am by no means an expert when it comes to Asian women. I have been to Burma and Thailand, have some Vietnamese and Japanese friends but normally I am not even able to distinguish japanese from chinese people. But these Phitsanulok experience really made me think. So a question to the real experts: Is there a special population in Central Thailand/Phitsanulok that differs from the rest of the country. Or was it simply coincedence? I know personal tastes differ a lot and I am not expecting everybody to concur but please tell me about your personal experience concerning the different "tribes" of Thailand.[/QUOTE]

You are talking about hilly Central Thailand. While many people of other ethnic groups have migrated there (especially Isaan Laos to do the work) that area is the home of people who mostly consider themselves ethnic Thai (true ethnic origin of these people open to probably unresolvable dispute). Over the past 20 years I have come to the conclusion that in Thailand the most classically beautiful girls are from what I call the "3 P Triangle"- Phitsanulok, Phichit, Phetchabun. There is more Lao mixed in when you get closer to Phetchabun, while the other two are very much Thai cities (some Thais even reflexively place Phetchabun in Isaan, but it isn't). Phichit in particular seems to provide an inordinate number of really beautiful women who are, as you note, clearly different in appearance from Lao and Khmer women. They are also in my experience the most difficult, and Central Thais in general tend to be much more arrogant and mercenary than other Thais, save the Chinese.

On the hand, (also obviously just my opinion) I find the Khmer women to be the sexiest, most passionate and most honest. When actual Khmer native speakers their accents in English are much easier to comprehend than Thai or Lao speakers' accents (more clipped than sing-song, Khmer being a non-tonal language). They also face more prejudice than members of all but a few other ethnic groups, and the women, even those whom Westerners find incredibly alluring, are not considered pretty by the urban white Thai-dominated media; Khmer girls tend to have low self-esteem owing to their dark skin and often squarish faces. The Khmer are also thought to be in possession of strong black magic- when I left my long-time Central Thai girlfriend for a wonderful Khmer woman, I was informed by the former in all seriousness that I had been placed under a black magic spell; "You don't know those people, they are black!" She wasn't necessarily referring to skin tone, in fact like most Central Thais she is about as dark as any Khmer (but has the straight nose, full lips, oval face and athletic build that hallmarks Central Thai beauties). It may well be true, although I think a people possessing such magical powers would probably be using it for more practical purposes, rather than generally living in squalor. I am generalizing broadly here, of course, and am curious as to what others have found.

Sanook D, thanks for the insight. While I still think Isaan girls can be very alluring and at the same time will watch out for a sweet Khmer girl, I definitely have to go to Phitsanulok or the other "P"s one day.

[QUOTE=Sanook D]. I call the "3 P Triangle"- Phitsanulok, Phichit, Phetchabun. There is more Lao mixed in when you get closer to Phetchabun, while the other two are very much Thai cities (some Thais even reflexively place Phetchabun in Isaan, but it isn't). Phichit in particular seems to provide an inordinate number of really beautiful women who are, as you note, clearly different in appearance from Lao and Khmer women. They are also in my experience the most difficult, and Central Thais in general tend to be much more arrogant and mercenary than other Thais,. (but has the straight nose, full lips, oval face and athletic build that hallmarks Central Thai beauties).[/QUOTE]Oh yeah, arrogant she was but somehow this was so tempting. Aren't we men stupid sometimes.

[QUOTE=Sanook D]Over the past 20 years I have come to the conclusion that in Thailand the most classically beautiful girls are from what I call the "3 P Triangle"- Phitsanulok, Phichit, Phetchabun. [/QUOTE]
Can you provide some pics so we can see what you're talking about here?Thanks.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Can you provide some pics so we can see what you're talking about here?Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yeah, would be extremely helpful. On the following link you will find a lot of cover girls from a Thai-German magazin (NOT connected to any form of prostitution!). While many of the girls are definitely Isaan and some of them are of mixed German Thai heritage, there must be one or two Phitsanulok girls included.

The girl on cover of 11/2009 come closest to the ones I know from Phitsanulok but is not exactly that type (too much cheekbones).

[url]http://www.farang.de/Archiv/ARCHIV.html[/url]

Sorry, if this posting doesn't comply withe rules of ISG or is too much interfering the privacy of the pictured girls. If so please delete.

Email from a bar girl:

"thanks for pic ii will send you as well but I think you had many my photo honey but I didn't have photo myself funny!

I waiting for your coming back to me and always to waited you.

I want to see my teerak see your sweet eyes your smell this I remember never forget.

Honey when you come to Thailand don't forget buy parfume from there for me,

Miss you a lots and like you all the ways and like you alone, jub jub"

Such a cute email but yet it illustrates the bar girl mentality very well.

Woman lied to boyfriend over visit to fiancé

By Louise Dickson, Times Colonist February 9, 2011.

A Thai woman was already living with her new Canadian boyfriend in Bangkok when she visited her former fiancé in Los Angeles in December 2007, a B. C. Supreme Court trial in Victoria heard Tuesday.

Tensions were running high at David Goldberg's attempted murder trial as defence lawyer Ray Dieno began his cross-examination of Goldberg's exfiancée, Tatcha Aroonjaratsang.

Goldberg, a former Boeing engineer, is charged with the attempted murder of Aroonjaratsang and her husband, Jeremy Walsh, in Saanich on the night of Sept. 24, 2008. Goldberg is also charged with possessing explosive materials.

"You played Mr. Goldberg like a dupe," Dieno said, raising his voice."You took his money."

When prosecutor Nils Jensen objected to Dieno's treatment of the witness, Justice Geoffrey Gaul told Dieno that the loud voice was not necessary.

"You met Jeremy in November and you played Mr. Goldberg like a dupe," the defence lawyer continued.

Aroonjaratsang, a petite woman with long, dark hair, shook her head.

"No, I didn't do anything to him. I planned to have a good relationship with him and he showed me living with him wasn't good for me."

The court has heard that Aroonjaratsang and Goldberg met online in July 2007 and became engaged on Sept. 22, 2007, in a traditional ceremony in Thailand. Following Thai custom, Goldberg gave Aroonjaratsang's mother $27, 000 in gold bars as an engagement present.

Dieno suggested Aroonjaratsang was looking for a relationship to escape Thailand. He accused her of breaching her betrothal to Goldberg and continuing to take his money after she met Walsh in November.

"Yes, I took some. But not the big one," she replied.

In December 2007, Goldberg paid for her plane ticket to Los Angeles where she stayed at his apartment, went skiing and travelled to Hearst Castle. Goldberg also bought her a cat, said Dieno.

"And, all the while, Jeremy was back in Thailand waiting for you," Dieno said, throwing papers onto the defence desk.

At this point, Gaul interrupted the proceedings and told Dieno to refrain from throwing papers.

Aroonjaratsang testified she did not tell Walsh she was visiting Goldberg.

"We were really close. We were living together. I told him I was going to the USA to visit my mother's friend."

"You lied to Jeremy," said Dieno.

"Yes I did," she said.

Aroonjaratsang explained that she had told Goldberg she was seeing someone else, but he would not release her from the engagement.

"He insisted he wanted to see me in the States to make the decision. He wanted to make sure it was what I really wanted."

After visiting Goldberg, Aroonjaratsang broke off the engagement. She married Walsh in the spring of 2008.

As Dieno questioned Aroonjaratsang about a series of emails between her and Goldberg, the accused did not look up. He sat in the prisoner's box taking notes on a laptop computer.

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Taking a break from P4P and decided to mess around on DIA. I'm in my mid twenties and I decided to focus on "older" ladies. For some of them I'm too young. For others they already want a date. Well most of the girls who want a date are from Pattaya so no illusions there, I guess they are into the game as well. Some Isaan ladies too, willing to meet in their hometown. It gets more interesting because I'm in Isaan at the moment.

I don't really have any experience yet outside P4P with these ladies. I guess they know they can't expect a serious relationship with a younger guy so what's the rush?

I'll soon find out. Exciting.

Are a lot of TGs willing to have sex without a condom? Do they charge more or ask for a big tip if this is the service rendered? What about non P4P TG's, do they usually do it uncovered with Thai men and farang? When they do it BB is it because they want a child to take care of them when old, because it feels better, or just because they were in the moment of intimacy? Are female condoms available for sale in Bangkok?

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1126930]Are a lot of TGs willing to have sex without a condom? Do they charge more or ask for a big tip if this is the service rendered? What about non P4P TG's, do they usually do it uncovered with Thai men and farang? When they do it BB is it because they want a child to take care of them when old, because it feels better, or just because they were in the moment of intimacy? Are female condoms available for sale in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]They will do it so you barfine them again. They don't give their health much thought when moneys involved. The ones I have been with said ok to BB straight away.

[QUOTE=Chieftain;1124084]I don't really have any experience yet outside P4P with these ladies. I guess they know they can't expect a serious relationship with a younger guy so what's the rush?[/QUOTE]I feel for you. I am older than you are and also find it hard as Asian women want an older guy to take care and understand them.

One of my staff came in last week and told me French people are Kee-niao. She met a mid-20s guy and they went to the restaurant, she liked him and would have probably brought him back to her place for desert (if you know what I mean).

Thing is, the guy offered to split the bill. She paid half. When time to leave (they arrived in her car as the restaurant was far) , she told him he can take the bus, and left.

She showed me, the guy apologized many times but she did not answer.

All the other ladies (and gays) in the office told her. 35+ only as below that age, they don't know how to behave.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1133129]All the other ladies (and gays) in the office told her. 35+ only as below that age, they don't know how to behave.[/QUOTE]And of course by "they don't know how to behave" they mean "they don't give me their ATM card on the first date."

[apologies for double posting]

Sometime on this board we have great reports on the psychology of Thai women, be them SW or not. Often these are quite young (sub-30 let's say) , I have to say that by now I kind of know what I'm doing, what they really want, including the fact they don't want me at all times.

But as I grow older I'm getting more intrigued with matures, I'm talking the hot ones even well in their forties. Often I find them much more attractive especially when well dressed and produced. Altough I have to say that so far sex has been better with the young ones I have a feeling that for some kind of long term relationship, an older one may work better. By the way I'm 47 looking a bit younger (hopefully). You think that an older Thai woman psychology is much different from a younger one? Logic would say so but what's your experience? If we go for older non-pro shouldn't we expect a much higher success rate?

Discuss.

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1155039]Same thing for the local girls: a young tall slim fair-skinned university student originating from an upper-middle class family has much more value in Thailand than a mature dark-skinned undereducated mother coming from a poor rural village of Isaan. You might have more fun and better sex with the latter, but the former is higher placed on the local scale of girls' value, and it's obvious for everyone who has spent enough time in Thailand outside of the [url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1147000&viewfull=1#post1147000"]tourist-oriented zoos[/url][/QUOTE]

The debate was started whether a non-pro woman is more expensive than P4P. I can only speak for myself when I say that when the debate was started I was not aware that we were talking about high society non-pros versus whatever type of pro. I never dated rich women in my home country so why would I normally do it in Thailand. Sure we can agree that dating Angelina Jolie or Naomi Campbell we would spend more money than LT with #43 at Rainbow Bar. But how many farang in Thailand are dating or have dated a woman as such here or back home? When I entered into the debate I understood by "non-pro" we were talking about everyday office workers, nurses, schoolteachers, etc. I did not know the debate was to include college students who are driving their father's Rolls Royce or 25 year old corporate executives who are making millions of baht per year.

I am from an average middle class family and have noticed that for the most part people around the world date within their own socioeconomic group. I still hold fast to my observation, experience and hypothesis that a non-pro Thai woman is not as expensive as P4P. If a woman already comes from money why the hell would she need money and gifts from you? It seems to reason that whatever she wanted she could buy for herself or her family would provide for her.

Again, I have been coming to Thailand for 5 years and have been living here 1 year. I am not the settling down type, but of 3 non-pros who I have been involved with consistently over the last 4 years (one is in real estate, one is a school teacher, and one is a government worker) they have never once asked me for any money or any gifts, unless it was something small for their birthday. And even then they could care less what the present was. Sure they have told me many times that they want to marry me and I have told them just as many times that I don't want to get married. But I have never had any of them or any other non-pro ask me for money or gifts. I even have a friend who I have known for the same 4 years that wants me to make a baby with her, yet does not want me to support the baby, raise the baby or even see the baby thereafter.

To me asking for money or gifts is skating in P4P territory. And the several Thais that I have had this talk with have said the same. Maybe the guy starts off trying to play Mr. Big Money and is forced to stay the course. Maybe the girl is just a b*tch (read working girl) to begin with. If you run out of money and the woman is still with you then that is a non-pro. But if you run out of money or stop spending money and likewise went your Thai girl then she was never non-pro to begin with. She was with your money, not with you.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1155133]The debate was started whether a non-pro woman is more expensive than P4P...[/QUOTE]
My response is here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1155240&viewfull=1#post1155240[/url]

Is there a thai word for the farang who sponsors "his" bargirl, the so called walking ATM?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1155133]The debate was started whether a non-pro woman is more expensive than P4P. I can only speak for myself when I say that when the debate was started I was not aware that we were talking about high society non-pros versus whatever type of pro. I never dated rich women in my home country so why would I normally do it in Thailand.

I just read and agree with your report. Any girl that asks or expects money or gifts is just in her mind (and ours) repositioning herself apart from the straight up Pros.

By seeking gifts (typically they are not so subtle) they satisfy themselves that they are not Prostitutes and I think it makes some of us feel better AND for those of us that have walked both sides of that fence do they not actually EXTRACT more money this way?

So I think this new group called semi-pros are smarter and I would suggest typically employed and do see less pipe than a good old fashioned prostitute.

Like this fellow I lived in the Phils and had a couple of real girlfriends that expected nothing more than a normal relationship.

The entire class of semi-pros are created by us mongerers who wish to communicate in crude terms that we do not wish a true relationship but would rather rent their vagina on an "as needed basis".

The girls initially hurt adapt quickly as typically most of us are at least decent in bed as we fuck so much so they get well fucked and rewarded and frankly who would not want this.

Regular Grils.

Semi-Pros we made them and we love them.

Pros, thank god for poor economics!

PP

I live in Thailand. Unlike some other foreigners who do that, I have my (Thai) contacts mostly outside the bar scene and over the years have made a few very good Thai female friends. From all backgrounds, from the farm daughter from Isaan to a high-so ex GF.

They have told me many things about the Thai way of life and about how they see love, money, gifts, faith in a relationship etc.

Some of their comments can be eye openers for a few of you, so let me mention them. Mind you: this is NOT based on Thai woman with foreign man situations, but just on every day Thai life.

* Money and presents: in any relationship (love-sex or whatever) between a woman and (any-foreign or Thai) man, there are two options: or you go for the relationship or you go for the presents / money / taxi money whatever. In almost all cases, sex is not for free. The girl must always have some advantage from it.

Sex really for free happens only between two people of similar age and social status. The moment there is a difference in social status and the relationship is not the purpose, the something is expected. And mind you, if they do not ask for anything it is mostly out of modesty or shyness, not that it is not expected!

* Faith in a relationship: it is very hard to find here. They have a culture of having "gigs" (sex / fun partner without official relationship) many times besides the regular partner. It is very common for a Thai young girl to have an older (Thai) man to "take care" (meaning paying tuition, apartment or whatever) and one or more young guys for fun and love.

So the foreigner getting pissed off finding out his Thai GF has somebody else on the side."welcome to Thailand".

[QUOTE=Nullnull; 1214059]Is there a thai word for the farang who sponsors "his" bargirl, the so called walking ATM?

Thanks![/QUOTE]You mean other than "Stupid"? = &3650; &3591; &3656; (ngôh)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1268417]You mean other than "Stupid"? = &3650; &3591; &3656; (ngôh)[/QUOTE]The "= &3650; &3591; &3656;" was supposed to be Thai Characters. Oh well.

Western,

From your response I think we both can agree how large and complicated the problem has become. Within the conversation being thrown around and opinion I haven't heard any answers to my questions and that is why? Can't we come up with something better instead of saying we can't afford, criticizing other countries system, lost of constitutions and freedom, the excuses whatever one what to come up is is just that! It is a fact, that we all can agree that the cost is killing everyone including all business whether they are small or large!

We are non-important individuals discussing a topic yet those who we put in office (Congress / Senators) have a much clearer picture of the problem yet they have spent 2years complaining instead of working on a system that would address all the problems we ourselves are discussing. In the real world is it out of the question if you don't like something and have all the resources at your disposal come up with something that address all the problems including Tort reforms that would make everyone happy! But like Thailand government politician all I have heard is lip service instead of putting a plan on the table. Instead we spend taxpayer money to take the issue to the Supreme Court, regardless of the decision I ask What is the alternative? All these ideas Free market etc. Are ideas. Nothing more. Where is the alternative plan if you don't like OBAMACARE?

In 1994, Hillary Clinton tried she got the picture right or wrong she was shot down. But where was the alternative and where was the cry of Constitution the lost of freedom when she try? Twenty-Two years later with rising cost year after year we still have nothing because this is exactly the goal of our politicians. Maybe race really has something to do with it whether the good old boys want to admit or not. Maybe the truth hurts that although we are living in the 21st century we still have the 19th mentality? Western, when you say OBAMA LIE, give me one politician that hasn't and that certainly include the red neck Wilson! Regardless of their party every single one of them are professional liars and if you think for a moment you can elect someone who is clean and stay clean you are living in a dream world.

If we know what is so wrong please tell me why after 22 years we are still at square one? Now this time and moment the excuse is freedom, immigration, tort reform, criticism of other countries system, can't afford it and of course Constitution and Socialism. They got us all fighting and scared so everything stays the same! Sure OBAMA screwed up he should have just lay out a comprehensive plan instead he left it up to the good old boys who hasn't done a damn thing in 22 years!

People talk about how great this country use to be and we got to get back to those times? If they really meant it they would show some honesty, fortitude and that great American imagination and come up with a plan to show the world how it is done! But instead we have a new word " Entitlement " to label and blame us small guys for turning, explanding, and running every good intended program to the ground! While our polticians and Hawks continue to spend and lavish on tax payer dollars spending $18. 00 for a muffin, forgiving a 50 billion loan to Pakistan so we can fly over their country, the list goes on and on with bi oversight from current or prior adminitration and there isn't one politician who is running for President that hasn't been part of the problem! We seem to be able to help everyone in the world but when it comes to our own citizens we have nothing but excuses and they label you and I " Entitlement "!

The world look at the USA for leadership not just from our President. And this current issue makes us what a big joke! And this has nothing to do with whether one loves his country or not?

Thanks for your time for allowing me to vent and tonight regardless of Songkran, I will be prepare because a little water will not get in my way of seeing and tasting some good pussy!

LBM.

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1268952]a little water will not get in my way of seeing and tasting some good pussy!

LBM.

LBM[/QUOTE]Don't you fuck them in the shower? I thought girls love that? .

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1268954]Don't you fuck them in the shower? I thought girls love that? .[/QUOTE]I should have been more clear. I meant although many are scared to go out on Songkran it wasn't going to stop me!

I don't fuck them in the shower but I do like them sucking me while I seat on the toilet seat. In the shower I lke to soap them up and get that standup body massage.

Welcome back! Isn't it nice to be out of jail? LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1269263]Isn't it nice to be out of jail? LBM[/QUOTE]Wasn't really in Jail, just had enough of P4P and was doing so well on the non-P4P front that I did not miss the "game" at all

Good to be back.

What happened to your non-P4P girl?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1269287]Wasn't really in Jail, just had enough of P4P and was doing so well on the non-P4P front that I did not miss the "game" at all

Good to be back.[/QUOTE]I know you are French and a bit of a stiff shirt? But when I referrence "Jail" Non-P4P is what I meant! In the USA it can also be referrence your " Ball and Chain "

Like everything? Things goes in cycles?

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1269345]I know you are French and a bit of a stiff shirt? But when I referrence "Jail" Non-P4P is what I meant! In the USA it can also be referrence your " Ball and Chain "

Like everything? Things goes in cycles?

LBM[/QUOTE]Yep, Frenchie here and don't know what Stiff-Shirt means so I won't comment on that one.

Totally misunderstood your post then. You see, in France, We don't consider ourselves, how shall one say, At the mercy of our Women. We are in Control! If a girl tries to play too smart (like tries to leave the kitchen) she gets smacked immediately. If she shows unhappiness about being reprimanded, she gets the "Dick" Treatment.

But you Americans Can't handle it. DSK learned that the hard way. Hahahahaha

Ok, Kidding aside, no balls and chains, I am (and always was) a free man. Not doing P4P was my choice, not the GF or Gik asking for it.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1269263]I should have been more clear. I meant although many are scared to go out on Songkran it wasn't going to stop me!

I don't fuck them in the shower but I do like them sucking me while I seat on the toilet seat.[/QUOTE]I'm the opposite. I like them sucking me while THEY are on the toilet.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1269421]Yep, Frenchie here and don't know what Stiff-Shirt means so I won't comment on that one.

Totally misunderstood your post then. You see, in France, We don't consider ourselves, how shall one say, At the mercy of our Women. We are in Control! If a girl tries to play too smart (like tries to leave the kitchen) she gets smacked immediately. If she shows unhappiness about being reprimanded, she gets the "Dick" Treatment.

But you Americans Can't handle it. DSK learned that the hard way. Hahahahaha

Ok, Kidding aside, no balls and chains, I am (and always was) a free man. Not doing P4P was my choice, not the GF or Gik asking for it.[/QUOTE]You certainly have your method you French? We men all like to think we are in control? Don't we?

LBM

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1269568]I'm the opposite. I like them sucking me while THEY are on the toilet.[/QUOTE]I use to like that too when I was young like you? Now my legs go weak or I get a cramp?

LBM

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1269568]I'm the opposite. I like them sucking me while THEY are on the toilet.[/QUOTE]Never really tried that one, usually the girls kneel when they see my member.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1278954]Never really tried that one, usually the girls kneel when they see my member.[/QUOTE]French royalty?

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1279150]French royalty?

LBM[/QUOTE]I'm just so small, they got to kneel close and take a good look

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1279186]I'm just so small, they got to kneel close and take a good look[/QUOTE]Now that is refreshing! Finally a person that is honest and doesn't have a ego?

LBM

[QUOTE=ProfetaPk; 1308146]Hi mongers,

There is a well explain article wrote by a Thai guy born in USA but now living in Thailand and explain all the "thai secrets" that Foreigner will never have the chance to unveil.

[url]http://www.**************.com/what-farangs-ldquodonrsquot-getrdquo-about-thai-women.html[/url]

Cheers[/QUOTE]404. Page Not Found.

Sorry, the page you are looking for does not exist.

Can you cut and paste the text?

[QUOTE=TConor; 1310741]404. Page Not Found.

Sorry, the page you are looking for does not exist.

Can you cut and paste the text?[/QUOTE]I would not bother. The article was probably good enough to fool a newbie. A Thai guy Born in the USA and Raised in the USA is an AMERICAN. He's never going to be the same as a Local thai guy.

Hi Guys,

I have a question. Probably a bit unusual for here.

Actually I am not only looking for pretty thai girls and good sex but especially more. Namely a hot girl which I can meet over and over again. I wondered if anybody heared of girls accepting or looking for "sponsorship" in exchange of a "steady affaire" with a bit more privacy. Indeed I woul not even say no to have child there and continue sponsoring and regular visits!

Any experiences?

Cheers!

[QUOTE=AliGeeLi; 1348998]Hi Guys,

I have a question. Probably a bit unusual for here.

Actually I am not only looking for pretty thai girls and good sex but especially more. Namely a hot girl which I can meet over and over again. I wondered if anybody heared of girls accepting or looking for "sponsorship" in exchange of a "steady affaire" with a bit more privacy. Indeed I woul not even say no to have child there and continue sponsoring and regular visits!

Any experiences?

Cheers![/QUOTE]WOW. You are The Goose That Laid the Golden Eggs! They will love you and look after you so well. Thai ladies love monies and especially get easy money as sponsorship.

Are you coming over Thailand?

Happy mongering by Rocco.

Rocco

Apologies is this isn't placed in a suitable forum (looked and felt his was one was closest).

Do you have certain triggers which are the deciding factor for you 'not' to return to a BG / Massage Girl?

For me,. "When you Cum?" is the one that seals their fate, along with closing the eyes (I know that more than a few Women love to go 'inside' during the experience, but other times this just seems like she's getting off but picturing somebody else doing it LOL). Not only does the first utterance brutally highlight to me the customer that she's merely servicing cock in a pit stop (which is of course the case and no illusions here when not visiting, but I don't really want to be reminded of that in such a way during the deed thank you very much). It also signals to me that she isn't enjoying it ("when will this be over"?). I rarely every get both of these, but on occasion it does happen and to me game over. Wham, Bam, thank you but you won't be getting my custom again, Darling.

Went there last month, September. Name Shop is "Massage Club Mitu" you can find on google.

I must say the experience they offered is really an eye opener for me. I can never find this type of service in Singapore. Not sure its the same case for Thailand.

I really enjoy foreplay and the lady gives good foreplay and service. From inside the tub to the bed.

Honesty speaking, the lady reception is very friendly and gaves very good service. I don't even feel like going into a place for sex. After service, the receptionist asked for feedback and ask how I get to know of this place. She even walked me down the stairs and bid goodbye.

I must say the receptionist had very good figure.

Ok. My advise.

Use Thai women for sex and then forget it. All of them generally the pretty ones has a Thai bf or husband whom they deliver your money to. Some knew a Thai girls for years before they found out she cheats on him. Forget all about a western relationship with her.

The Thai men take the pretty ones when they are very young and then decide on them and own them and control them hard.

The Thai girls work hard. And go home with the money to the man who drink, fuck other girls even she know it .That's is in Thailand.

There is very dark side in Thailand and it can be very evil.

Thai men beat their women often. It is accepted. They scream after them and she obey . But if you raise your voice to your Thai girl. Oh my god. She will turn of and lose temper. And believe me they have temper.

Why us? Cause they are not afraid of us Europeans or us or so called farangs- they don't respect us.

It is the money they want and only the money.

Anything else with love and bla bla forget it for your own safety.

Don't fall in love with any hookers there. They are full of shit. But charming yes and they play their role good. Together with their Thai man or bf . To rip you off as much as possible and as long time as possible.

Los = land of scams.

I have a question. Probably a bit unusual for here.

Actually I am not only looking for pretty Thai girls and good sex but especially more. Namely a hot girl which I can meet over and over again. I wondered if anybody heard of girls accepting or looking for "sponsorship" in exchange of a "steady affaire" with a bit more privacy. Indeed I would not even say no to have child there and continue sponsoring and regular visits!

Any experiences?

Cheers!

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[QUOTE=Mitu33;1490591]Went there last month, September. Name Shop is "Massage Club Mitu" you can find on google.

I must say the experience they offered is really an eye opener for me. I can never find this type of service in Singapore. Not sure its the same case for Thailand.

I really enjoy foreplay and the lady gives good foreplay and service. From inside the tub to the bed.

Honesty speaking, the lady reception is very friendly and gaves very good service. I don't even feel like going into a place for sex. After service, the receptionist asked for feedback and ask how I get to know of this place. She even walked me down the stairs and bid goodbye.

I must say the receptionist had very good figure.[/QUOTE]Their services seem quite standard for any oilie or soapie massage place in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Ulfberth;1516715]Ok. My advise.

Use Thai women for sex and then forget it. All of them generally the pretty ones has a Thai bf or husband whom they deliver your money to. Some knew a Thai girls for years before they found out she cheats on him. Forget all about a western relationship with her.

(snip)

It is the money they want and only the money.

Anything else with love and bla bla forget it for your own safety.

Don't fall in love with any hookers there. They are full of shit. But charming yes and they play their role good. Together with their Thai man or bf . To rip you off as much as possible and as long time as possible.

[/QUOTE]I think you are reading too many internet postings. Such generalizations are never correct. I don't deny that scams do exist (as in any country in the world) and that hookers indeed are "in it for the money" (again, as everywhere else in the world), but to paint all Thai women with that same brush is pretty rough. Either you have had yourself a bad affair in Thailand (and are thus speaking from purely anecdotal evidence) or you don't know what you are talking about.

[QUOTE=CoconutCream;1404618]Apologies is this isn't placed in a suitable forum (looked and felt his was one was closest).

Do you have certain triggers which are the deciding factor for you 'not' to return to a BG / Massage Girl?

For me,. "When you Cum?" is the one that seals their fate, along with closing the eyes (I know that more than a few Women love to go 'inside' during the experience, but other times this just seems like she's getting off but picturing somebody else doing it LOL). Not only does the first utterance brutally highlight to me the customer that she's merely servicing cock in a pit stop (which is of course the case and no illusions here when not visiting, but I don't really want to be reminded of that in such a way during the deed thank you very much). It also signals to me that she isn't enjoying it ("when will this be over"?). I rarely every get both of these, but on occasion it does happen and to me game over. Wham, Bam, thank you but you won't be getting my custom again, Darling.[/QUOTE]I live here (retired now) and have heard this one, and a few other direct statements too! Even in polite society, in Thailand it is not seen as rude to point out anyone is fat (poumpooy) or for that matter, tall, thin, 'handsum' (it is not always a lie!) drunk (mau) loony (ting-tong) stupid (knorr) or worse. Usually, the women will announce these assessments loudly, actually shouting across the soi, it is part of everyday banter.

So, the moral of the story is be 'direct' back, let them know what your expectations are upfront, and (after the deed, if necessary) that their 'girls aloud' schtick is best kept out of the parlour. It may not help you recover the current situation to your advantage, but if enough mongers do it, everybody wins.

A lot of mongers are also afraid to ask for what they want here, you are likely to get 'it' if you ask. I have created a small thread here with monger 'sexy-time' words in thai anyone can use, Feel free to locate it, and comment there to keep it current, and therefore useful for all.

Trust me, these phrases can, and do, get your service improved, and your prices lowered, ESPECIALLY if you learn to count very basically in Thai, you can save thousands.
Last time I went to a basic oil massage joint, I tried my rudimentary beginner Thai out as much as possible, and near the end of the JO, when i was even by my own admission a little slow to finish, she offered (I swear) a prostrate massage "you wann finger you ass?"
Well. There can be few things more sexually intense than a cute spinner beating you off while also rythmically stroking your internal pleasure center and whispering urgent little breathless moans of 'cum, baby' which amounts to the same thing the OP commented about -but for all the right reasons!
Oh, and the cost of the HJ got her down from the usual Soi 4 B1000 (just for the happy ending!) to 'Haa Loi' Baht (500 and no tip, that was the tip! Id already paid for the hour 'oil massage' upfront, remember?) This is not 'boasting' it is what anyone can do if they can be arsed to learn a little Thai, not be too stinky, don't rush into groping her during the 'legit' massage -few will obey this rule, and you will regret it. Give respect, and you'll be amply rewarded in most cases, of course, if you do come across a bad attitude, well it happens, and I'm not immune either (I'm just sharing how i get the p4p dynamic to work best for me).
Still most 'two-week millionaires' won't care, or be too lazy to even try 'bar-room' thai, but you can't say you were not a little more enlightened in the ways of the ladies of the east after this post. .

Just a quick PS: I know the OP was not asking for 'advice' but asking if there were 'NO-triggers' with certain ladies. The thing is, try to discover these negative traits BEFORE you seal the deal. "Match up in haste, regret at leisure" I have done it too... I try, if possible, to have a chit-chat out the front of house before settling on a girl. beware too much charm, normally, they are all front and no delivery... it is difficult, look for genuine friendliness... i once chose a potential freelancer just because she actually shook my hand and said 'hello xxx' when i introduced myself, and she was outstanding GFE for weeks! :)
Another time some cute little spinner dropped 'you take good care of me' into the conversation.... Nope, honey, not in this lifetime... she was talking of course, about financial care, not respect, or being respectful (to me). So you see, these are the clues... if she is in any way dismissive, or too smooth, then, quiet your cock down, and give her a miss. But, be likeable, go out of your way to charm her, never forget they are women first, and will respond as a woman does when you compliment her dress, earrings, hair (not looks, or body parts, she hears that a million times, its meaningless). Be emotionally generous and you will not need to spend as much money to get what you want, and will likely get more than the average punter in return, its just human nature... of course, always try to find and choose a giver rather than a taker, as mentioned above. happy horing!

Does anybody out there has successfully married a bar girl or massage girl, settled in the country, and started a business?

Alternatively, if you did not yourself achieve this, do you know somebody who did?

I agree that we shouldn't generalize, but I think that short of actual marriage, Thai girls continue to expect we "take care" of them financially no matter how long it's gone on.

My regular gal who I met in an MP three years ago and to whom I return at least six times a year, including one trip overseas together, confines to expect I leave her with a couple K when we part. She has a loser son upcountry and a house and car, so our time together may be intimate but it isn't for free.

Whether she has other guys, I never ask, because she's always available and the time together always of high quality. Respect them, even love them, but continue to take care of them as well. I find it perfectly fair.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1587791]I think you are reading too many internet postings. Such generalizations are never correct. I don't deny that scams do exist (as in any country in the world) and that hookers indeed are "in it for the money" (again, as everywhere else in the world), but to paint all Thai women with that same brush is pretty rough. Either you have had yourself a bad affair in Thailand (and are thus speaking from purely anecdotal evidence) or you don't know what you are talking about.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chacal60;2240191]I agree that we shouldn't generalize, but I think that short of actual marriage, Thai girls continue to expect we "take care" of them financially no matter how long it's gone on.

My regular gal who I met in an MP three years ago and to whom I return at least six times a year, including one trip overseas together, confines to expect I leave her with a couple K when we part. She has a loser son upcountry and a house and car, so our time together may be intimate but it isn't for free.[/QUOTE]I am going to use some harsh words here, but bullshit. That is only the lady you met. I have been fucking plenty of women over time that have not so much as asked me to buy them an ice cream cone.

Under what pretenses did you meet this chick? Did you go out on a normal date with her? Did you fuck her then offer her money? Did she tell you before, during, or after that you need to give her money? From your post it was not clear. You said she expects that you leave her a couple of K. How did this expectation come about? Were those the words that came out of her mouth, or is that something you started and are afraid to stop?

I have always said, however you meet a woman then that is how you continue. I have met women that I have not had to give money to and I will not start now. I have met other women that I have had to give money to and I will not stop now. You know what you have from the beginning.

I have been dating ladies I meet online and having fun. Sometimes she says she will take care of me. Occasionally, she says she hopes I will take care of her. I am talking about "regular" ladies, not hookers or massage parlour ladies; I know they are all about money (and sometimes more).

What does it mean when she says she wants to take care of me?

What does it mean when she wants me to take care of her?

I know that [U]sometimes[/U] the answers are "have sex" and "give money", respectively. But I have been told a woman will "take care of me" and it does not mean sex; it could only mean she will go eat with me and take me around, etc. And while many ladies eventually want SOME money, some do not. When money is requested, sometimes it is for support (they are struggling). Of course, some women are doing it only for money.

I know the answer is: it varies; it depends on the girl. But I would like to hear your opinions and experiences, if you care to share them.

[QUOTE=SteveNaive;2265061]I have been dating ladies I meet online and having fun. Sometimes she says she will take care of me. Occasionally, she says she hopes I will take care of her. I am talking about "regular" ladies, not hookers or massage parlour ladies; I know they are all about money (and sometimes more).

What does it mean when she says she wants to take care of me?

What does it mean when she wants me to take care of her?

I know that [U]sometimes[/U] the answers are "have sex" and "give money", respectively. But I have been told a woman will "take care of me" and it does not mean sex; it could only mean she will go eat with me and take me around, etc. And while many ladies eventually want SOME money, some do not. When money is requested, sometimes it is for support (they are struggling). Of course, some women are doing it only for money.

I know the answer is: it varies; it depends on the girl. But I would like to hear your opinions and experiences, if you care to share them.[/QUOTE]Oh dear. To be naive like this one again. Life wold be so much easier in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2265073]Oh dear. To be naive like this one again. Life wold be so much easier in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Since you seem to have more experience, care to share some insight?

[QUOTE=SteveNaive;2265061]What does it mean when she wants me to take care of her?[/QUOTE]Wouldn't it be much easier to ask her that so that you will have a for sure answer?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2265172]Wouldn't it be much easier to ask her that so that you will have a for sure answer?[/QUOTE]Done that. They get very vague in answering, often leaving it as "up to you".

[QUOTE=SteveNaive;2265745]Done that. They get very vague in answering, often leaving it as "up to you".[/QUOTE]So be very vague when taking care of them. I have gotten the same results as you when I have asked. Last thing a chick wants to tell me about something is up to you.

[QUOTE=Ulfberth;1516715]Ok. My advise.

Use Thai women for sex and then forget it. All of them generally the pretty ones has a Thai bf or husband whom they deliver your money to. Some knew a Thai girls for years before they found out she cheats on him. Forget all about a western relationship with her.

The Thai men take the pretty ones when they are very young and then decide on them and own them and control them hard.

The Thai girls work hard. And go home with the money to the man who drink, fuck other girls even she know it .That's is in Thailand.

There is very dark side in Thailand and it can be very evil.

Thai men beat their women often. It is accepted. They scream after them and she obey . But if you raise your voice to your Thai girl. Oh my god. She will turn of and lose temper. And believe me they have temper.

Why us? Cause they are not afraid of us Europeans or us or so called farangs- they don't respect us.

It is the money they want and only the money.

Anything else with love and bla bla forget it for your own safety.

Don't fall in love with any hookers there. They are full of shit. But charming yes and they play their role good. Together with their Thai man or bf . To rip you off as much as possible and as long time as possible.

Los = land of scams.

[/QUOTE]I agree with all of that, from my own experience and from listening to others for decades.

I recently heard about a mutual friend, who's just built a house for 'his girl' somewhere off in the sticks.

I guessed, because I've heard the same story a million times, that he probably met her in Pattaya, she comes from Isaan, her parent's sent her to get some money and.

Maybe find a husband, he thinks she loves him, so he's sharing his pension with her and the family and he will never own the house and at some point, he'll lose it all.

He might work it out one day. Might not. He's a fat, beer drinking slob so maybe not.

You can buy the fantasy for a while, but that's all it is.

[QUOTE]Use Thai women for sex and then forget it.[/QUOTE]Here we go again. Another (compound profanity redacted) that came to Thailand and got got.

[U]Why does this continually happen?[/U]

Because western men (especially from [B]podunk[/B] countries forget to leave their values in the airport before they leave. I have said this more than once, western values do not serve your well in Thailand. In fact, they do not serve you well in any country. If you are going to Expat in a place then you have to learn how the locals do and think about things. Your ideas of the way something should be done or how to think about it don't mean jack.

[QUOTE]All of them generally the pretty ones has a Thai bf or husband whom they deliver your money to.[/QUOTE]Let's start with everyone who makes a consumer purchase. Do you generally care who your money gets delivered to? The answer is: No. Unless you have a problem with a certain vendor or provider.

[U]Example[/U]

[I]I wont buy [u]Sony[/u] products because I had a bad experience with a television built by them. If you dont care when you are making a consumer product purchase why do you care when you are making a consumer service purchase?[/I]].

[QUOTE]Some knew a Thai girls for years before they found out she cheats on him. Forget all about a western relationship with her. The Thai men take the pretty ones when they are very young and then decide on them and own them and control them hard. The Thai girls work hard. And go home with the money to the man who drink, fuck other girls even she know it. [b]Thats is in Thailand[/b].[/QUOTE][U]Yes, and who gives a fuck? [/U]

The OP gets and simultaneously he does not. Individuals should leave their western values at the airport they depart from. So by the time they arrive they can indeed understand that the country they are visiting is called THAI-Land!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2994258]I guess you haven't really become very Asian then. One of the things I've learned living in asia, which I must admit is fantastic, is the ability to compartmentalize. [u]Asian men and Asian women compartmentalize their lives[/u]. [b]For many men and women they have a spouse they dearly love, would not leave, and will take care of, however they may have someone or many someone's that they screw[/b]. [u]The two are completely mutually exclusive[/u]. For many Asian folks there is a don't ask don't tell policy. One thing we westerners never understand is that it is quite often the space you give each other in a relationship that makes it last. For many here that are married and still screw others, the extracurricular activities amount to nothing more than riding a roller coaster. I really believe we westerners have the wrong expectation of relationships.[/QUOTE]I have not read a better post explaining how western values have no place in Thailand.

[QUOTE]There is very dark side in Thailand and it can be very evil.[/QUOTE]Once again another judgement based on western values.

[QUOTE]Thai men beat their women often. It is accepted. They scream after them and she obey . But if you raise your voice to your Thai girl. Oh my god. She will turn of and lose temper. And believe me they have temper.[/QUOTE]Why are you raising your voice to to a Thai person in the first place (especially your Thai Girls)? It sounds to me like the OP has emotional maturity issues.

Doesn't the OP realize that causes them to lose face? I have never had to raise my voice to any Thai person the entire time I have been posted up here (especially my Thai Girls). Everything I have ever had to deal with has been resolved using eye contact and a low but firm no, followed by departure from the scene. That's why you will never see a video of a security person knocking me on my ass like you see done to so many farangs (of a certain color) that get out of pocket.

[QUOTE]Why us?[/QUOTE]That is a good question.

[QUOTE=Allover;2953794]When Japanese and Korean guys are present, the rest of us have problems competing with them too.[/QUOTE]Is this a good answer?

[QUOTE]Cause they are not afraid of us Europeans or us or so called farangs- they don't respect us.[/QUOTE]The OP needs to speak for himself. Men who cannot hold frame. Men who's word means nothing. Men who do not have an attitude of abundance. Those are the men who do not get any respect. I have NEVER had a problem with Thai Girls not respecting me the entire time I've been posted up here. Treating someone like a human being shouldn't be a problem unless you are sociopathic.

[QUOTE]It is the money they want and only the money.[/QUOTE]I disagree with this completely. The only way you could think this is because that is all you give. If you treat another human being with respect. They will respect you even if is just a business transaction. Have you ever heard the phrase: [I]It was a pleasure doing business with you[/I]? I've run a business. I've made business deals. I did not say that to everyone. Some of my clients and people I dealt with were true [I]mother fuckers[/I]. But I did business with them anyway because I needed the money. How is that any different from any business dealings with anyone in the world?

[QUOTE]Anything else with love and bla bla forget it for your own safety.[/QUOTE]Love is a powerful thing. Do we control who we love? Or do we control our actions with who we love?

[QUOTE]Dont fall in love with any hookers there. They are full of shit. But charming yes and they play their role good. Together with their Thai man or bf . To rip you off as much as possible and as long time as possible.[/QUOTE]I feel sorry for the OP that he has such bad attitude about prostitutes in Thailand.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3088144]Picture this scenario in Thailand: There is a non-descript building and venue located across the soi from a popular temple called Noi's Place. As you enter the door of Noi's Place you are asked for a 100 baht entrance fee. Then you are faced with a circular conveyor belt carrying twelve 18 year old ladies, laying naked and spread-eagle on that conveyor belt for your assessment of them. A manager approaches and answers any questions you might have about the sexual skills and specializes of each. No other entertainment, food or drinks are on sale in the place. You choose one young lady and, without exchanging a word, the two of you retreat to a room upstairs at Noi's Place, pay an additional 200 baht for the use of the room and after you have whatever style and amount of sex you and she agree to engage in you give your lady 2000 baht and leave Noi's Place a sexually satisfied and happy man.

Here's the reality; the Thai people in that neighborhood don't care what Noi and her ladies are doing or what her customers are doing on a moral point. From monks to the police, moms, dads, grandmothers, grandfathers, aunts, uncles, siblings, cousins, respected community leaders and other business owners, nobody gives a damn what is happening at Noi's Place or the consenting adults involved, their morals, the morals of anyone else in the neighborhood or Kingdom.

How do I know that? Aside from my decades of up close and personal contact with Thai people, being married to a Thai lady, years of engaging with her close family members who are well-educated, English-fluent, successful business owners with even uniformed police officers among them[/QUOTE][QUOTE]Los = land of scams[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear that you feel that way about Thailand. My experiences do not align at all with the OP's.

[QUOTE]If you having girl problems I feel bad for your son, I got 99 problems and a ***** ain't one. - [b]Jay Z[/b][/QUOTE]