[QUOTE=Luvtorim]Anyway, I look forward to writting a few FR as well.[/QUOTE]Welcome! and waiting for your reviews ;)
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[QUOTE=Luvtorim]Anyway, I look forward to writting a few FR as well.[/QUOTE]Welcome! and waiting for your reviews ;)
This is where seniors get to act like lazy newbies ROFLMAO
Has anyone tried Pleasure tours.com or love tours.com they go to Thailand and also to the Philippines I would like to go but don't want to geted riped off.
Thanks,
Tom
I haven't heard Camfrog mentioned yet, but I've found it's a great way to chat with and watch girls from Thailand, the Philippines, China and Japan on their webcams. In fact, there are so many Thai girls on there, they've had to establish their own webcam server. lol! So far, I haven't come across any from Singapore or Indonesia yet though. And amazingly, I haven't come across any pro webcam sex girls yet either. Some get naked, some just dance around and tease and some just sit there. It's a free download from the website of the same name and you don't have to have a webcam yourself, although it obviously helps in getting the girls to talk to you, cam to cam. Beware of the fat pasty white bitches on the North America server, although the most naked-getting Thais and Pinoys frequent there too in search of "foreign talent." :-)
I've lined up several possibilities for my next trip to Thailand so we'll see how it goes.
The program is free to download and sign up but you can only watch one cam at a time with the free registration. You CAN, however, pay for a more powerful Camfrog program that allows you to watch as many cams as you want simultaneously. I haven't done that yet...still having quite enough fun one cam at at time at this point.
Anybody else using camfrog?
[QUOTE=Gaijin Gigolo] The program is free to download and sign up but you can only watch one cam at a time with the free registration. You CAN, however, pay for a more powerful Camfrog program that allows you to watch as many cams as you want simultaneously. I haven't done that yet...still having quite enough fun one cam at at time at this point.
Anybody else using camfrog?[/QUOTE]I got the infamous "blue screen" on my computer (VISTA, 2Gb RAM, 3.0MHz) after providing information to allow viewing of larger images. Otherwise, it worked okay prior with the limiting single view. Needless to say, CamFrog is no longer on my HDD. OH, got a bunch of malware and spyware but can't say for sure it come because of CamFrog.
Just made another posting – sitting here bored so I thought I would pass on another story about all the prices in Thailand are negotiable. Many of the other contributors are always talking about what they got for what price. It is very good basic information for newbies. But understand these are only guidelines. The price is very flexible. Anyway story: I was in Phuket recently. It was about 11 pm-still early by mongering standards. Was with a friend and went into one of the small open bars on Bangler. Was really not in the mood to do anything. We both had decided to sit down and have a few beers to watch the people. Girl behind bar kept trying to start conversation. We kept blowing her off because just was not in mood to get into buying girl drinks that night. After awhile her happy infectious attitude got to the 2 of us and we told her come on around and we would buy her a drink. A few beers later her happiness finally infected us so I decided to ask if she wanted to go home for LT and if so what price. She responded bar fine and 100B. Needless to say my mouth dropped. Questioned her a little more to be sure if we were understanding each other correctly. She agreed 100B was enough. Asked why so little she replied hungary. Now I am talking about what I would consider a 7/10 on looks. So not some nastiness. Anyway took back to room and found her the most fulfilling pleasing thing I had my last 2 trips. Woke up the next morning and we went at it again. Now I know what you are thinking-must be some young stud. Wrong, I am in my late 50’s, over weight but nice personality. Anyway on with my story. I opened my wallet and pulled out the 100B we agreed on and showed her. She accepted without a blink and got ready to go with a pleasant smile on her face. Now that I felt our original agreement had been fulfilled I pulled my wallet back out and handed her 2,000B. Before anyone starts complaining I believe in luck. I could basically afford this small amount and felt my generosity and goodwill would pay off in the future. The memory of this particular event will remain along time in my mind - well worth the money.
[QUOTE=RetiredForever]Questioned her a little more to be sure if we were understanding each other correctly. She agreed 100B was enough. Asked why so little she replied hungary. Now I am talking about what I would consider a 7/10 on looks. So not some nastiness. Anyway took back to room and found her the most fulfilling pleasing thing I had my last 2 trips. Woke up the next morning and we went at it again. Now I know what you are thinking-must be some young stud. Wrong, I am in my late 50’s, over weight but nice personality. Anyway on with my story. I opened my wallet and pulled out the 100B we agreed on and showed her. She accepted without a blink and got ready to go with a pleasant smile on her face. Now that I felt our original agreement had been fulfilled I pulled my wallet back out and handed her 2,000B. Before anyone starts complaining I believe in luck. I could basically afford this small amount and felt my generosity and goodwill would pay off in the future. The memory of this particular event will remain along time in my mind - well worth the money.[/QUOTE]
RF,
Sounds like a sweetheart! Good for you!
Peace,
AT2
Retired Forever,
I'm sure some mongers won't agree with you about paying more but I think it is great that you did that. I really believe in building the goodwill. Also the girl was really hungry and you helped her out so you also built some good karma. It also showed a lot of class. Happy mongering!!
I am planning my first visit to Thailand (en route to visit friends in Laos) and made extensive use of the site to prepare (thanks for all useful info) the few days in BKK
I also plan to spend a few days on West Coast and found that PhiPhi might give best combination of mongering, nature and seafun - correct ?
I would be grafeful for info on decent (up to 70 80 USD) but mainly GF hotels on Phi Phi - its nightlife seems to concentrate around Ton Sai - should I book in that area ? or is the island to small to bother. GF is a must
Thanks
[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/read.php?newsid=30037097[/url]
Coliform bacteria have contaminated utensils at many food shops around tourist attractions, according to the Health Department.
"The contamination can cause diarrhoea and food poisoning," the department's academic Anocha Charoenpornkijwattana said Sunday.
According to her, the information came from the Health Department's study on hygienic standards at 12 attractions across the country. As more than half of food shops in these attractions have participated in the department's Clean Food Good Taste project, the study focused on the non-participating food shops only.
"We have detected coliform-bacteria contamination on their plates, ice tongs, cooks' hands and waiters' hands," Anocha said.
[QUOTE=Belkis]I am planning my first visit to Thailand (en route to visit friends in Laos) and made extensive use of the site to prepare (thanks for all useful info) the few days in BKK.
I also plan to spend a few days on West Coast and found that PhiPhi might give best combination of mongering, nature and seafun - correct ?
I would be grafeful for info on decent (up to 70 80 USD) but mainly GF hotels on Phi Phi - its nightlife seems to concentrate around Ton Sai - should I book in that area ? or is the island to small to bother. GF is a must
Thanks[/QUOTE]Belkis,
There is no P4P girl action action on Phi Phi island. You need to bring your own. Do some scouting in Phuket and take a girl from Patong Beach with you.
As far as hotels on Phi Phi, I can recomend the Banyan Villa. Great location. Rooms are decent. Prices (except for peak season in December and January) are reasonable. Pay a few extra bucks and book a room in their garden wing. It's not so noisy there.
Pffff.... it's nothing new.
What do you people expect from shops that don't have running water?
You'll get Diarrhea for a day or 2 and then your Stomach will be immune. I've been in Thailand some time now and got sick the second time I ate on a Food Stall. Since then, my body's used to it.
[QUOTE=Nuff Said][url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/read.php?newsid=30037097[/url]
Coliform bacteria have contaminated utensils at many food shops around tourist attractions, according to the Health Department.
"The contamination can cause diarrhoea and food poisoning," the department's academic Anocha Charoenpornkijwattana said Sunday.
According to her, the information came from the Health Department's study on hygienic standards at 12 attractions across the country. As more than half of food shops in these attractions have participated in the department's Clean Food Good Taste project, the study focused on the non-participating food shops only.
"We have detected coliform-bacteria contamination on their plates, ice tongs, cooks' hands and waiters' hands," Anocha said.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Barrister]Belkis,
There is no P4P girl action action on Phi Phi island. You need to bring your own. Do some scouting in Phuket and take a girl from Patong Beach with you.
As far as hotels on Phi Phi, I can recomend the Banyan Villa. Great location. Rooms are decent. Prices (except for peak season in December and January) are reasonable. Pay a few extra bucks and book a room in their garden wing. It's not so noisy there.[/QUOTE]Thanks Barrister
use your head folks - anti-virus software and firewalls are out there for a REASON. Whether camfrog or some other programme is the responsible party, it will generally be BLOCKED by most of the programs. Spybot, Spyware blaster, others can stop the junk before it gets onto your machine. Use a ROUTER and eliminate the random "pop-up" crap. The computer needs a rubber, too.
[QUOTE=Dinghy]The computer needs a rubber, too.[/QUOTE]Yes, true. But if you have a MAC, you can also go bareback ;)
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Pffff.... it's nothing new.
What do you people expect from shops that don't have running water?
You'll get Diarrhea for a day or 2 and then your Stomach will be immune. I've been in Thailand some time now and got sick the second time I ate on a Food Stall. Since then, my body's used to it.[/QUOTE]
Folks, I used to have the same attitude as Frenchy. I got loose a few times, and twice got some 24 hour bug that made me get violently ill, but quickly passed.
Then I learned my lesson.
Two days in hospital, five more in and out of consciousness in a hotel bed with a girl (fortunately an honest, caring one) taking care of me, and two weeks of extreme weakness and discomfort.
I strongly suggest you maintain a diligent attitude about food and drink safety when you travel in Asia, especially in the tropics.
With food, as with barebacking, you might be lucky.
You might not.
[QUOTE=Nuff Said][url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/read.php?newsid=30037097[/url]
Coliform bacteria have contaminated utensils at many food shops around tourist attractions, according to the Health Department.
"The contamination can cause diarrhoea and food poisoning," the department's academic Anocha Charoenpornkijwattana said Sunday.
According to her, the information came from the Health Department's study on hygienic standards at 12 attractions across the country. As more than half of food shops in these attractions have participated in the department's Clean Food Good Taste project, the study focused on the non-participating food shops only.
"We have detected coliform-bacteria contamination on their plates, ice tongs, cooks' hands and waiters' hands," Anocha said.[/QUOTE]
It's true but can be found anywhere and everywhere around the world, even at the restaurants of 5-star hotels, restaurants with Michelin stars or your local supermarket.
You never have a guarantee if the cook, waiters, dishwashers or anybody else who comes in contact with the plates or food did wash their hands after visiting the restroom or didn't grab anything dirty. I personally rather prefer a small foodstall where I can see the "chief" and what's going on than a restaurant where I don't know how clean/dirty it is or if anybody is coughing or sneezing on my food.
[QUOTE=Gaijin Gigolo]I haven't heard Camfrog mentioned yet, but I've found it's a great way to chat with and watch girls from Thailand, the Philippines, China and Japan on their webcams. In fact, there are so many Thai girls on there, they've had to establish their own webcam server. lol! So far, I haven't come across any from Singapore or Indonesia yet though. And amazingly, I haven't come across any pro webcam sex girls yet either. Some get naked, some just dance around and tease and some just sit there. It's a free download from the website of the same name and you don't have to have a webcam yourself, although it obviously helps in getting the girls to talk to you, cam to cam. Beware of the fat pasty white bitches on the North America server, although the most naked-getting Thais and Pinoys frequent there too in search of "foreign talent." :-)
I've lined up several possibilities for my next trip to Thailand so we'll see how it goes.
The program is free to download and sign up but you can only watch one cam at a time with the free registration. You CAN, however, pay for a more powerful Camfrog program that allows you to watch as many cams as you want simultaneously. I haven't done that yet...still having quite enough fun one cam at at time at this point.
Anybody else using camfrog?[/QUOTE]
I downloaded Camfrog and looked around a little but I don't have a cam so I found I wasn't welcome in a lot of the rooms.
I might get a cheap cam and check it out some more.
Thai hairdressers are notoriously known for not knowing how to cut farang hair.
Here is a recommendation which is somewhat expensive but very worthwhile:
MOGA Tokyo, Emporium, 3rd floor, 700Bt.
Just a question to fellow mongers who like myself also enjoy the LOS since multiple decades:
Does the now readily available farang food in BKK (fast food, cheese, pizza and such) makes the girls get bigger?
It seems to me that overall the stungingly slim bodied Thai girl of the past is now somewhat in a minority, even in places jknown for young (and Japanese looking) performers, such as Rainbows in NP.
[QUOTE=Frankfurter]Thai hairdressers are notoriously known for not knowing how to cut farang hair.
Here is a recommendation which is somewhat expensive but very worthwhile:
MOGA Tokyo, Emporium, 3rd floor, 700Bt.[/QUOTE]For that price, better go to the 2nd floor, Sisheido. Even better.
I go to a little local salon: 300 thb and perfect service ;)
[QUOTE=Frankfurter]Just a question to fellow mongers who like myself also enjoy the LOS since multiple decades:
Does the now readily available farang food in BKK (fast food, cheese, pizza and such) makes the girls get bigger? [/QUOTE]Yes it does. but Thais don't eat Farang Food very often. Keep in mind most Thais are obsessed by their weight and figure.
[QUOTE=Frankfurter]It seems to me that overall the stungingly slim bodied Thai girl of the past is now somewhat in a minority, even in places jknown for young (and Japanese looking) performers, such as Rainbows in NP.[/QUOTE]What are you basing this on? only P4P or overall?
There are still plenty of very slim girls in Thailand, most don't work in P4P anymore because there are plenty of Jobs that pay well available.
You should see the girls I work with, Young slim Stunners, but expensive (50-60k per month).
What has happened overt the last decade is that Thai's have increased their daily milk intake. Which is largly due to the success of Yakoult (the little pink milk bottles sold everywhere). If you consider that Asians demonstrate a higher lactose intolerance compared to westerners, the company has done an excellent job.
Add general junk food now available, yes Thai girls have grown in size. Mind you, boobs are still petit.
JB
[QUOTE=Frankfurter]Just a question to fellow mongers who like myself also enjoy the LOS since multiple decades:
Does the now readily available farang food in BKK (fast food, cheese, pizza and such) makes the girls get bigger?
It seems to me that overall the stungingly slim bodied Thai girl of the past is now somewhat in a minority, even in places jknown for young (and Japanese looking) performers, such as Rainbows in NP.[/QUOTE]
JB and NicF:
Yes, it seems that the greater consumption of milk and milk related products in all of Asia (certainly also due to the changing Chinese market) has increased the price also significantly over the last years.
Nic: I envy you for your slim office girls.
Planning to visit Thailand with a friend of mine. Only plan is to relax in on the beach at Pattaya & hook up with some thai babes.
I plan to spend at least 3 nights there, & i'm sure once I hit the streets I'd be to busy looking for some action.
Want to ask you more experienced mongers about how to prepare for this trip, budget, which best places to visit for some action & tips on how to pick these babes.
Definitly would appreciate you advise!
Thanks in advance
FatherFig:
Best advice to you:
Do your homework before you set foot in a plane,
and:
Read the f**** forum!
[QUOTE=Frankfurter]Nic: I envy you for your slim office girls.[/QUOTE]They sure are a sight to behold, and they know it. They are very flirty but as I am the boss, I never mix business and pleasure with my employees. Unfortunate, but BKK is full of cuties.
[quote=father figure]want to ask you more experienced mongers about how to prepare for this trip, budget, which best places to visit for some action & tips on how to pick these babes.[/quote]ff,
helping you will be a very difficult task. we are not really travel agents.
you need to be more specific in regards to the following:
1. where do you come from?
2. how long are you staying? and which period are you coming?
3. how many nights do you plan to stay in each city? which are these cities?
4. what would you like to achieve exactly with the girls? (threesome, anal, gfe, pse...)
once you are clear about what you like and don't like, it will be easier for us to help you out.
if there is information you want kept private, use the pm function.
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now, on a more general note, these are things you must do while in thailand:
1. visit the [b]eden club[/b] on sukhumvit soi7. some people love it, some hate it, but it is one place you really must experience.
2. try a [b]blowjob bar[/b] (star of light or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]). this is a concept that again, not everyone likes, but we only live once and it is great to try these places at least once in a lifetime.
3. get a [b]balls massage[/b]. lots of places offer it, but make sure you read the massage forum and go to the place where experienced providers will make you happy (rin @ hana massage, some girls at teen massage....)
4. get a [b]body slide mattress soapy[/b] experience. not all soapies offer it (cupidy does)
of course there are regular bar girls and escort agencies and the rest, but i think the above 4 distinct things will give you a taste of what thailand can offer
good luck and don't forget to write reports of your trip
[QUOTE=Father Figure]Planning to visit Thailand with a friend of mine. Only plan is to relax in on the beach at Pattaya & hook up with some thai babes.
I plan to spend at least 3 nights there, & i'm sure once I hit the streets I'd be to busy looking for some action.
Want to ask you more experienced mongers about how to prepare for this trip, budget, which best places to visit for some action & tips on how to pick these babes.
Definitly would appreciate you advise!
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]Always happy to help F. F. , If you will only be in Pattaya for 3 days I might suggest a hotel right smack dab in the middle of the shit. The Queen Victoria on Soi 6 has received some fine reviews. I have never stayed there but have eaten there many times (GREAT FOOD) and a friend has stayed there and liked it. Soi 6 is a street of bars that open at 1 pm daily. A good place to start the daily ritual of chasing Thai girls. Start at the top of the street (second road) and just take a stroll down the street. Stop in T. G. 's (see attached photos) for a beer and check out what they have to offer. Nothing to your liking? Continue to stroll down the street toward Beach Road. Trinity Arch is another spot that has yielded some quite lovely Thai's. Stop in Halifax bar and say Hello, to Thip, she is the cashier and quite a cutie (doesnt go with clients though).
To be continued.
Thanks alot for the information guys!
Well it will be either Bangcock or Pattaya & yes I know that you guys are not travel agents. But al in all the infrmation youve posted is very helpfull indeed.
Like I said, my only intention of travelling to Thailand is for the chiks. Just Relax & go on a babe hunt of my own! & yes would really love one of them threesomes. Would be spending at least 3 or 4 nights.
Can any of you guys give a decent budget to put together before I travel. I know that hotels would cost around 35. 50 $ per night!
Till then, Aurevoir a bien tot
FF
Hey all;
This is the gal that caused me to take a hiatus from the boards, the 'mongering', yadda yadda.
I had been around Thailand for 15 years since my 20's, spoke the language, and basically thought I would never become involved with someone in the business.
In 2004, a good friend delivered the news he was diagnosed with metastatic colon cancer. I was part of his first (and last) trip to Thailand. I only bring this up because on the way I met Om, the working gal I fell for.
It was a combination of things. I was ready to change some things about me, and of course, a good Thai chameleon will accomodate those who are unwilling to listen to their instincts. At the same time she had this hold on me. Yes, she was a hottie (see pics) but it wasn't that. She was a fighter, a scrapper. I loved her fierce spirit.
I didn't bring up marriage first, but I guess the imminent death of my friend jarred something loose and I had this feeling of "If not now, maybe never".
After years laughing at dudes that sent money to their women, here I was letting myself get in the same boat. The only thing I did different is have my friend's Thai wife (who didn't trust her at all) set up the account. She had access to the receords as well, unbeknownst to Om.
I also got a great deal on school and my friend's wife also insisted we be able to check on attendance.
Yeah, lotta love goin' on.
[b][I]Every[/I][/b]single friend of mine hated her. I have a nice Thai woman who lives in the US who has always had something nice to say about someone. After she'the talked to my fiance for an hour I asked her what she thought. "Oh, I don't really know her enough to give an opinion". I felt a chill. The kiss of death.
She was going to school and getting straight A's for the first year. For the first six months she spent the money I sent her with the amount sent to mom.
She called me regularly and we had long conversation mostly in Thai, but she rapidly got better with her English. When I came back I was amazed at her progress. Her school confirmed she had perfect attendance.
I made three trips to Thailand and other than my friend who owns Misty's in Pattaya freaking out on me and insisting I take a twosome before I was irretrievably lost I was monogamous.
Then, I got the call from my friend's wife that for the last 60 days Om had been taking out the entire amount on me.
I called her, cut off her funding, told her we were through. When I showed up I had a copy of the bankbook and confronted her.
The thing I love about some Thai women (and many in society) is that you can have the bloody knife, the arm and the sticky fingerprints and the person will still say "Not me! ". I think they feel after the 5000'th time they've repeated the same lie it becomes truth.
So, I patted her on the head (huge insult) told her 'later' and walked out straight to Pattaya.
You'the think I'the have learned my lesson. But of course, 'experts' need a far greater fall LOL.
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So true Zarnon
Many years back friends of mine observed past Thai g/f frolicking on the beach with another guy. They described her swim wear, towel carried to the beach and loads of other details.
She insisted on denying she was ever there.
Mind you, I leaned from that. Yes, always deny. Other side will simply give up asking after a while.
JB
[QUOTE=Zarnon]The thing I love about some Thai women (and many in society) is that you can have the bloody knife, the arm and the sticky fingerprints and the person will still say "Not me! ". I think they feel after the 5000'th time they've repeated the same lie it becomes truth.[/QUOTE]
Anyone knows a website where to find info about Farang buying propoerties in Thailand ? Not Estate agents offers, just general info about rules, laws and tips.
Thanks.
Erik,
I have provided lots of infos about the legal issues involved in buying some property in LOS. Just search the forum.
[Quote=Erik]
Anyone knows a website where to find info about Farang buying properties in Thailand ?
[/Quote]
Try [url]www.thailandguru.com[/url]
On the left hand side under the “Houses, Apartments, Condos, Regions” menu, go to Property Ownership for a long and informative article.
Thanks for the links. Do you know if it is possible for a Thai national to get a mortgage to buy a propoerty if she/he is not rich ? Thai banks don't seem to have a morgage policy as their counterparts in the West, who would lend money and offer free credit card to a beggar.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Erik]Thanks for the links. Do you know if it is possible for a Thai national to get a mortgage to buy a propoerty if she/he is not rich ? Thai banks don't seem to have a morgage policy as their counterparts in the West, who would lend money and offer free credit card to a beggar.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
It is very easy to get credit for middle class Thais. I know many people buying million to two million baht houses on incomes of around 15 to 30,000.
Hello,
My Thai GF works as a nurse practitioner at Mahidol university. Her salary is not just moderate like most officers. She will ask for money sometimes but I will usually refuse just pay a ticket to come to Europe. The problem is that they think all westerners are wealthy. NO they are wealthy during their stay in Thailand. I think a lot of Thai people cannot deal with money properly. Buy a new phone because marketing predicts that without even having paid the last one. (they say a lot of Americains are living on credit too) If their parents or sister ask for some money she will help because it will give her something like good '' karma''. I will help if I can but not if she gets into financial trouble because her loved ones did get these troubles just because they know they can rely on their sister. They just spent their money to quickly before actually having it. I will save the money for my trip before going not pay it afterwards. A lot of the beerbar girls go shopping after their first customer instead of a deposit in the bank. I am afraid it is just a question of common sense. They live from day to day. Instead of buying some english grammar to improve their marketing skills they will just buy jeans nr 28 or get tattoo nr 13. Another reason not to pay to much for p4p Just pay standard price and bring them a book the next day Greetings Frits.
Frits,
You pretty much provide an accurate account on how the lower class girls deal with money.
Additionally, they fall for numerous other unwise financial dealings, i.e. gambling, lottery (Try to expain to the girl, that the lottery is actually a tax for people who are not good at math. You will have a blast when you see her total incomprehension!), and other scams any western girl with a normal IQ would never in her right mind go for.
Some of the Isan working girls also buy into questionable real estate deals for their efficiency apartments in Pattaya (I only know of such cases in that city) without having ANY clue what they are actually signing.
I always wondered how the transition to the “real” life in a foreign country works out, both for the girl and also for her husband.
Girls from the Thai upper class sometimes are exceptions, however, but only 1 in 10,000 farang ever has a chance to meet somebody like that. Their money is typically handled by the family; but even they can blow $10,000 on a single long weekend shopping trip to London.
I miss Bernhard Trink's wise "lifestyle" column in the Bangkok Post. Does anybody knows what happened to him?
[QUOTE=Frankfurter]I miss Bernhard Trink's wise "lifestyle" column in the Bangkok Post. Does anybody knows what happened to him?[/QUOTE]Ultimately he became an anachronism and a while after being dropped by the Post he had an "I Don't Give A Hoot" web site in 2004. Featuring weekly updates same same the newspaper column it fizzled out after about 7 months. He was unwilling to use a PC and someone had to actually key in text from his typed hardcopy (same as at the Bangkok Post). The website at one stage were actually seeking somebody to carry on doing it. His site started as subscription-only but there weren't many takers and it became gratis which may have influenced matters.
The BBC interviewed Trink prior to his shunt from the Post and commented how he looked like he was at death's door.
He was reportedly seen around BKK for a while but wasn't receptive to being approached. He'll be in his mid to late 70's now.
[QUOTE=Frankfurter]I miss Bernhard Trink's wise "lifestyle" column in the Bangkok Post. Does anybody knows what happened to him?[/QUOTE]
Most people who liked Trink (as did I) will like this: [url]www.bangkokeyes.com[/url]
It's good, but monthly instead of weekly. Not competitive with this forum so I think Jackson will leave the link in here.
[QUOTE=Frankfurter]I miss Bernhard Trink's wise "lifestyle" column in the Bangkok Post. [/QUOTE]
Yo Frankfurter,
Yes, I miss Trink as well. It's a sad story if Artisan2's report is correct. He was a nice guy and is hopefully OK. He had a sort of unique position among farangs (or just readers of the Post) and did a very good job with a lot of style. His posts just seemed to get more and more irrelevant as time went by and the Post couldn't justify having his column on a lot of different levels.
Bangkok has changed a lot on the last 25 years; the last thing that the Post would want to run now is a prostitution update by a foreigner.
There was a time when I first went to Thailand (a long time ago) when his column ran on friday and we'd wait and read it to figure out where to go, and it was always good. In his last years his columns just sort of lost it with announcements of bar openings and denials of the existence of HIV; he sort of bacame an embarassment.
I think he was really a very nice man who didn't get the realities of the changing scene; although I agree with him that Bangkok has never been the same since the Thermae moved.
Cheers
Sean
Sean Double, A2, Naughty,
Guys, thanks a bunch for the heads-up.
I appreciate the memories this brings back.
Yes, BKK has changed and the Post with it, in a not good way.
They now want to be politically correct, like the deplorable U.S. press who is trying to win the price for self-censoring and journalism prostitution.
Although Trink had -as you mentioned- his weak spots, like his stubborn refusal to recognize the fact that a man CAN actually contract HIV/Aids from a lady.
But I still miss the old geezer, let’s wish he is OK. As far as I know he was married to a Thai, right? I hope she is still around and takes care of him.
P.S.
The other day I had to laugh (or cry?) when the Post wrote an essay about some older ladies who were being observed selling their bodies to guys on the streets in the outskirts of the city, and how outrageous and unheard off this is. Man, what does this writer think about himself in the morning when he looks into the mirror I wonder?
A fairly interesting book on Trink, which gives his background and has excerpts from the old columns:
"But, I Don't Give a Hoot! The Life and Times of Bernard Trink, Bangkok's 'Nite Owl' " by Jennifer Bliss, Post Books, published in 2000.
i just pulled this following report from the phillipines general forum by (?) 617. there had been a discussion in the thailand photo gallery on this topic, but overwhelmed the purpose of the photo gallery......photos, not chat. however, that said, this is an interesting report.
as follows:
be careful about what you carry across a border
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what's in a laptop? court ponders legality of border searches
ryan singel 06.20.07 | 2:00 am
is your laptop a fancy piece of luggage or an extension of your mind? that's the central question facing a federal appeals court in a case that could sharply limit the government's ability to snoop into laptop computers carried across the border by american citizens.
the question, before the 9th u.s. circuit court of appeals, arose from the prosecution of michael timothy arnold, an american citizen whose laptop was randomly searched in july 2005 at los angeles international airport as he returned from a three-week trip to the philippines. agents booted the computer and began opening folders on the desktop, where they found a picture of two naked women, continued searching, then turned up what the government says is child pornography.
in june 2006, a judge from the u.s. district court for the central district of california threw out the evidence, finding that customs officials must have at least "reasonable suspicion" to begin prying into the contents of an electronic storage device, a decision the government is now appealing.
"electronic storage devices function as an extension of our own memory," judge dean pregerson wrote. "they are capable of storing our thoughts, ranging from the most whimsical to the most profound. therefore, government intrusions into the mind -- specifically those that would cause fear or apprehension in a reasonable person -- are no less deserving of fourth amendment scrutiny than intrusions that are physical in nature."
while it's not clear how many laptops are searched at the border each year, both business and recreational travelers are increasingly toting computers with them, complete with hard drives full of personal pictures, confidential corporate documents and revealing internet logs. an october 2006 survey of business travel executives revealed that some companies were rethinking rules on proprietary information being stored on traveling laptops, and 1 percent of the respondents reported they had, or knew someone who had, a laptop confirep001ed at the border.
the reach of such searches will likely widen as more and more people opt for smartphones, such as apple's upcoming iphone, which combine elements of traditional computers with the voice capabilities of a cell phone.
the california decision is the first to challenge that trend, and it makes laptops, and even usb memory sticks, very different from every other item brought across the border, including luggage, diaries, prescription drug bottles and sexual toys -- all of which customs and border agents have been allowed to search without cause for years under the "border exception" to the fourth amendment.
the government says the rationale behind that exception -- that border agents are responsible for protecting the safety of the nation and enforcing copyright and obscenity rules -- logically extends to laptops. "for constitutional purposes nothing distinguishes a computer from other closed containers used to store highly personal items," the department of justice argues in its appeal brief.
moreover, requiring government agents to have a reasonable suspicion before searching a laptop will invite smugglers and terrorists to hide contraband and evidence there, the government argues. "if allowed to stand, the district court's decision will seriously undermine the nation's vital interest in protecting its borders by removing the significant deterrent effect of suspicionless searches," reads the filing.
arnold's lawyers, kevin lahue and marilyn bednarski, disagree, arguing that it's not very difficult for law enforcement agents to come up with "reasonable suspicion."
"no ordinary traveler would expect their private files to be searched at the border without any reasonable justification," they told the appeals court. "the government's argument that a traveler can simply avoid exposure by leaving the laptop at home is an oversimplification of its function and role in daily life."
lahue has support from the association of corporate travel executives and the electronic frontier foundation. the two groups submitted a friend-of-the-court brief tuesday arguing that suspicionless searches of laptops are overly invasive, and that prior to the california ruling, the government had no limits on what it could do when it seizes a laptop and makes a copy of the hard drive.
already travelers have reported customs agents seizing laptops, making copies of the hard drive and returning the computers weeks later. that practice scares the travel execs' association and the eff, which argue that under the government's reasoning, border authorities could systematically copy all of the information contained on every laptop computer and cell phone that crosses the border, without any court oversight.
"a suspicionless unrestricted search of a laptop computer is simply electronic eavesdropping after the fact," the groups told the court. "(it) is distinguishable from the forbidden general searches of colonial times only by the technologies involved."
the case's outcome is far from clear-cut, according to lahue.
"a lot will depend on whether the court decides it's like searching a piece of luggage or like a body-cavity search," lahue told wired news. "a diary, even one that is labeled 'my secret sexual fantasies,' has always been fair game."
the government's reply brief is due june 26, and the case will likely be argued sometime in the fall.
source: [url]http://www.wired.com/politics/law/n.../laptopsearches[/url]
Hi,
Still here in Thailand!
I've run into a bit of trouble at internet cafe's that use AVG free virusscanner.
Here's what happens:
On plugging in my usb drive with compact flash card, I get a virus message: Info.exe is hostile and needs treatment. If I 'heal' the virus, in fact a file gets written onto the card. This is in fact more like a virus - the device won't work on any computer!
If I don't heal, but ignore, i have no access to the card.
But wait, there is more!
What to do to save the card and files?
Well unplug the device, replug it and choose 'open files and show content' (or something to that extend) from the USB-pop up window. Do NOT choose ' no action' or any other possibility - you will have no access..
The files will now show - there is NO virus, NOTHING is lost. After you close the window, and still want to access the card, you need to go through the procedure again...!
If you accidently 'healed' access as shown and simply delete the file that AVG wrote on it. It is in the root section of the card.
The above only happens when AVG (must stand for AVeraGe) and the CF-card get together! It does not happen when I plug in a USB-flash drive a a mobile hard disk. Or with a decent virus scanner.
If you use AVG at home, throw it out, get Norton instead and back it up with Zone alarm pro.
Freeler
BTW I am happily fucking my way through Isaan and Central Thailand. Life is so good!
[QUOTE=Freeler]
BTW I am happily fucking my way through Isaan and Central Thailand. Life is so good![/QUOTE]
How about some reports in that case? I'm stuck in Isaan and finding precious little. Also can you fill me in on some cheap options in Phuket for girls and hotel? I'm considering my first visit there.
[QUOTE=Opebo]How about some reports in that case? I'm stuck in Isaan and finding precious little. Also can you fill me in on some cheap options in Phuket for girls and hotel? I'm considering my first visit there.[/QUOTE]
Khon Kaen has a website. I hear the prices are lower there. Older geezers go there. Pattaya is better than Phuket.
Opebo,
I don't do much in the way of reprting, correct. That's mainly due to the simple fact that nothing much is any different from previous visits at all.
New ladies cum, old ladies get older. Some disappear.
What can I say?
Freeler
[QUOTE=Freeler]Opebo,
I don't do much in the way of reprting, correct. That's mainly due to the simple fact that nothing much is any different from previous visits at all.
New ladies cum, old ladies get older. Some disappear.
What can I say?
Freeler[/QUOTE]
Alas it is impossible to access very old reports, Freeler. I would love to know what is going on in those towns.
Not sure where to post this, so here it goes:
I am looking into spending some time in Thailand (my first time there) and I have an offer to be relocated in either Chiang Mai or in Ban Phe. Which of these 2 cities would you recommend as being overall the best in terms of natural beauty of the place, safety, nightlife and for the hobby as well?
Thanks for any feedback.
[QUOTE=Sprite13]Not sure where to post this, so here it goes:
I am looking into spending some time in Thailand (my first time there) and I have an offer to be relocated in either Chiang Mai or in Ban Phe. Which of these 2 cities would you recommend as being overall the best in terms of natural beauty of the place, safety, nightlife and for the hobby as well?
Thanks for any feedback.[/QUOTE]
Chiang Mai is the second biggest city in Thailand next to Bangkok so there is plenty of nightlife and for the hobby. Ban Phe is a port city where people use to go to Ko Samet and is more laid back. Might be a little too quiet unless that is what you want.
[QUOTE=Horntoad]Chiang Mai is the second biggest city in Thailand next to Bangkok so there is plenty of nightlife and for the hobby. Ban Phe is a port city where people use to go to Ko Samet and is more laid back. Might be a little too quiet unless that is what you want.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the reply.
How easy is it to travel within Thailand? Is safety a concern in Chiang Mai in particular and in Thailand in general?
Thanks for the replies guys.
[QUOTE=Sprite13]Thanks for the reply.
How easy is it to travel within Thailand? Is safety a concern in Chiang Mai in particular and in Thailand in general?
Thanks for the replies guys.[/QUOTE]
You will always get the few who spoil it for the rest of the people like any where in the world.
In the south by the Malaysia border they have problems with rebels.
Just keep your wits about you, if you are unsure then go by other means.
[QUOTE=Sprite13]Not sure where to post this, so here it goes:
I am looking into spending some time in Thailand (my first time there) and I have an offer to be relocated in either Chiang Mai or in Ban Phe. Which of these 2 cities would you recommend as being overall the best in terms of natural beauty of the place, safety, nightlife and for the hobby as well?
Thanks for any feedback.[/QUOTE]
I have been to Chiang Mai 3 times in the past 2 years, and have spent a total of 7 months living there is a rented condo. In my 7 months of venturing around the city, I never once felt unsafe. However, that said, I am not one to stay out until the late hours at night...midnite..2pm..etc., when you are more likely to be a target. Be "street smart" and keep your eyes open for what piques your intuition about certain situations that look questionable. I would say that ANY city has its potential dangers, but Chiang Mai, to me, is a safe city.
The thing I always try to remind people is that (with a couple of exceptions due to political strife) pretty much anywhere in SE Asia is probably safer than where you come from - assuming you are from a Western country.
Ewan McGregor did a series, 'The Long Way Home', and they calculated their odds of being hurt whilst riding motorcycles around the word (Edinburgh to NY if I recall correctly). The most dangerous part of the trip by a very long way was camping on the side of the road in the US (yes, I know they didn't go through SE Asia).
We live in the most dangerous peacetime places in the world - everywhere else is safer than what you are used to - you just might be subject to a bit more non-violent petty theft.
[QUOTE=Sprite13]Thanks for the reply.
How easy is it to travel within Thailand? Is safety a concern in Chiang Mai in particular and in Thailand in general?
Thanks for the replies guys.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Blunderer]pretty much anywhere in SE Asia is probably safer than where you come from - assuming you are from a Western country.[/QUOTE]Now I have to disagree with that strongly!
Indonesia and Malaysia are about as dangerous (if not more) than most European countries.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Now I have to disagree with that strongly!
Indonesia and Malaysia are about as dangerous (if not more) than most European countries.[/QUOTE]
In Capetown, Bogata, or Baltimore you might get robbed at gunpoint, and in Bangkok you might get your teeth knocked out during a mugging but the pooyings will figure out a way to clean you out of EVERYTHING eventually.
It is the Thai national sport. They even had a parody of it on Thai MTV.
[QUOTE=Oosik1]I have been to Chiang Mai 3 times in the past 2 years, and have spent a total of 7 months living there is a rented condo. In my 7 months of venturing around the city, I never once felt unsafe. However, that said, I am not one to stay out until the late hours at night...midnite..2pm..etc., when you are more likely to be a target. Be "street smart" and keep your eyes open for what piques your intuition about certain situations that look questionable. I would say that ANY city has its potential dangers, but Chiang Mai, to me, is a safe city.[/QUOTE]
The Hill Tribe Treks are a blast!!
You might not read about HTTs on ISG as this is a booty oriented site, but The Hill Tribers are a natural treasure of Thailand. His Majesty has the Tribers as a sort of protected species he went to great lengths to keep intact. The night Market in Chaing Mai is a blast and very safe. The food is as good as Bangkok (contrary to what the BKKers tell you). Forget about the train ride between BKK as it is at night so there is no scenic stuff. Always fly instead. The P4P scene is not in-your-face like elsewhere in Thailand. Nearby is Chaing Rai. All kinds of waterfalls, hot springs, and natural splendor nearby in all directions. Chaing Mai is actually prefferred by many to Bangkok. The biggest danger is not armed robbery but hooking up with a regular Thai woman and buying property. Smoking "o" on a hill tribe trek is a right of passage. Just don't take any with you!!
i can't speak to indonesia, but kl, bangkok and london are all cities i know very well.
in london, out late at night, particularly with a few drinks under your belt, getting robbed/beaten up is (in my opinion) a matter of when, not if. it has happened to me a few times, once after drinking in north london, i had my mobile phone snatched at lunch time at knife point in a park near embankment, had money snatched at a shop, been robbed at what i think was gunpoint at an atm - all this is over several years.
in kl, it becomes more of a maybe - i got hassled once by a gang of indonesian lads in the outer suburbs (near rawang) late at night while walking home for (from what i could work out) being white. fortunately a policeman drove past and they rep001tered, otherwise, i think i might have been in real trouble. the only trouble i've had there in about 3 years of living there.
never had the slightest trouble in thailand (except petty theft), certainly never come close to anyone becoming violent towards me - that's over 2 years living in bkk and doing a lot of drunken staggers home in the wee hours through various little side streets.
you can of course disagree, but i stand by my original assertion. many people view the dangers that exist disproportionately when away from home... my feeling is the equation runs something like:
'percieved danger' = 'distance from home' x 'actual danger'
[quote=nicfrenchy]now i have to disagree with that strongly!
indonesia and malaysia are about as dangerous (if not more) than most european countries.[/quote]
First time going to Phuket but general question about bar girls and etc. Aren't you afraid that they will steal your money or worst while you are asleep? I do want to have fun but once it's over I'm kicking her out in a nice way of course.
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]... but the pooyings will figure out a way to clean you out of EVERYTHING eventually.
It is the Thai national sport. They even had a parody of it on Thai MTV.[/QUOTE]
BuleDaddy,
this only applies to the stupid guys, but stupidity can be dangerous and expensive everywhere around the world like The Philippines, Brazil, Carribean ...
Bangkok is for sure one of the safest places in Asia with at the top of the list the Japanese city’s, I have been in most mayor city’s around the world and the least 15 years at least 30 times in BKK, I never had any problem with violence at night at BKK but I don’t search it at night either. (lets not talking about African or other Muslim country’s as that will take another 10 pages to tell you all the bad experiences) When I leave Soi 33 area towards my hotels near Soi 8 or so this after 23. 00 I take a cab instead of walking that short distance and being a cheap Charly to myself.
I only had one problem in BKK with a " fake " police men in the middle of Soi 9 in the dark area, I came from the back end and was " fast walking " towards Sukhumvit, the guy was on a small motorcycle and approached me, was wearing beige shirt, jacket and trousers like a police but no badges and he showed me a small card wile driving beside me, I thought it was a pimp with a business card in his hand but after a wile he get aggressive and blocked my way on the step walk and told me he was a police men and showed a plastic ID in Thai, I stopped, I had nothing to hide and a bit afraid also. I would not take the risk of running away and get shot if it was a undercover or real police guy
He asked for my ID and to empty my pockets, asking me 5 times if I was smoking (no) or taking drugs (no) and why I was running there etc and other questions in reasonable English.
He kept on sniffing in my reading glasses box and sniffing trough my Thai money bill’s in the leather clip this one by one at the same time he asked again to take my ID copy again out of my back pocket (pointed to it) and at that moment I must have bend my head down for a second, later on he gave everything back and told me it was OK but told me he thought I was a dealer.
I crossed Suk towards Soi 12, when I came later on at Darling and wanted to pay for the soapy massage I saw that all my 500 Thb bill’s are gone. The bastard had removed them in a fraction of a second just like Copperfield can do wile I was taking my ID from the back pocket. Good lesson again.
Always had big problems in South America city’s, example in Rio De Janeiro few years ago, I get raid in front of the Copacabana Palace 5 star hotel wile waiting for a Cab and Security in the near. Yes I always take a Cab and the next day wile sitting in a old VX Jetta taxi, waiting in the Rio traffic jam, a guy jumped in to the taxi next to me, pointed a knife on my throat and wanted my money, I was shaking like a leaf and gave him what I had in my right pocket and he ran off,
The advice is to keep your money spread over different pockets and make sure the taxi doors are locked, not the first time that at traffic light guys trying to open the door, even in BKK. Believe me, Bangkok is very safe compared to the rest of the world
John Euro
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[QUOTE=Mauldid]First time going to Phuket but general question about bar girls and etc. Aren't you afraid that they will steal your money or worst while you are asleep? I do want to have fun but once it's over I'm kicking her out in a nice way of course.[/QUOTE]
Don't want to be rude, but is this the first time you have traveled abroad?
Practice safety. It is unlikely but possible. So read the reports of safety in this forum ( RTFF) and there are plenty.
Anyway, lock up your valuables like passport, money, jewelry, etc in the room or hotel safe. Carry around only just what you need. Then you can have a LT (long time) experience.
[QUOTE=Mauldid]First time going to Phuket but general question about bar girls and etc. Aren't you afraid that they will steal your money or worst while you are asleep? I do want to have fun but once it's over I'm kicking her out in a nice way of course.[/QUOTE]Yes, I am afraid. Unless I feel safe with the girl, I kick her out before
I go to sleep.
[QUOTE=Sprite13]Is safety a concern in Chiang Mai in particular and in Thailand in general?[/QUOTE]Not to the extent that it will keep me from travelling there, though the Canadian government does not recommend travel to certain Southern
Provinces, and non-essential visits to Bangkok:
"You are advised against non-essential travel to the capital, Bangkok. On December 31, 2006, a series of bombs exploded in the city, killing three and wounding over 30 people. There exists the possibility of further attacks. The Thai government has ordered security services to be on high alert and has set up traffic checkpoints around Bangkok. Canadians are reminded that public and commercial areas such as shopping centres, public transport, government buildings, bars and hotels may be subject to terrorist attacks. Canadians currently in Bangkok should maintain a high level of personal security awareness at all times, avoid unnecessary travel within the city, monitor local news reports and follow the advice of local authorities."
[url]http://www.voyage.gc.ca/dest/ctry/reportpage-en.asp[/url]
[url]http://www.voyage.gc.ca/dest/report-en.asp?country=290000[/url]
My large sum wire transfer was completed yesterday and when I called Bangkok Bank from the US to verify, I was advised that all the money is safely in my account. Hopefully it will stay there long enough for me to use it. The exchange rate was 33.62 Bhat to the $, which is slightly better than the rate paid in Thailand for US high denomination notes.
Some years ago I was working in Taiwan and through visa trips to Thailand I met and married a Thai girl, yes she was a bar girl and yes the marriage failed, but that is not what this post is about.
She came to live with me in Taiwan after we married in Bangkok. The marriage failed after about ten months (sooner to be honest). We agreed to get divorced and yes it involved a money settlement from me. The divorce was done at the Thai trade and economic office, a sudo embassy because of the legal position of Taiwan as a country. All the papers were signed and she went back to Thailand and I eventually returned to England, yes I'm English and this has a bearing on the main point of the story.
This was in 2001
I now wish to marry again and have put my divorce papers to the registras office, they were refered to the registra generals office as they were from another country.
Now the main point. They do not recognise the divorce in the UK!!!!!!!!
The reason stated was that I should have got a taiwanese divorce.
You may be able to guess how I felt, so the questions started, well it seems that she is not maried to me but I'm not married, I'm not single and I'm not free to marry. Work that one out.
They are making further enquieries but I may have to go to court to prove my status. This will not be done in time for my wedding date.
So if you are getting a Thai divorce make sure its legal in your own country
Daddy07, write you in a day or so! Sorry LBM
[QUOTE=The Traveler]BuleDaddy,
this only applies to the stupid guys, but stupidity can be dangerous and expensive everywhere around the world like The Philippines, Brazil, Carribean ...[/QUOTE]
Per capita, and especially considering they make little or no attempt to speak English, and therefore are socially like bumps on a log, the pooyings are #1 at getting guys that were smart enough to make a ton of money to part with it ALL!! I mean, stud looking guys that lived over there that fell for narly ex bargirls. I think they get with their friendly monk and put spells on these guys unwitting guys. They are 1000x more cunning than Cariocas, or Pinoys. I can't name one story without a tragic ending that involved a Thai woman, but know many happy ones with Pinoys and a few with Paulistas (Sao Paulo girls). So many airmen stationed in Khorat during 'Nam lost stripes because of their underworldly pooying wives. Cariocas (Rio Girls) are either too rough or too snotty. I love the rough ones, but after an hour or two with one I have to lay down for awhile. I'd rather suck up to an ugly french girl than a snotty Carioca.
The truth is, the crime rates in Bangkok and Thailand are pretty high, especially murder. Motor vehicle accidents are very common, farangs will be normally found at fault. If you are injured when on a motorcycle taxi, the moto driver will likely head for the hills. 12,000 people die here each year from alcohol-related accidents - about 10 times the Euro rate and Canada, OZ, NZ. Life is considered pretty cheap here, and compensation for wrongful death is pretty meagre.
On the crime aspect, while it is true that most of the killing is among Thai who know each other, people, a lot of it is random as well. Disputes here quickly turn violent and fights are not under any sportsmanship considerations, people will join into an attack against a foreigner very quickly, even if they were initially unaffected by the dispute that lead to the violence,
If you are arrested by Thai police, for most any reason, you should expect to be beaten to some extent, but that is becoming somewhat less popular. You have few civil rights here, and those you do have do not matter to the Thai police.
Outside of Bangkok, gun ownership is very high and shootings are very common. Aclohol is almost always involved and revenge seems to be the biggest motive, along with highway shootings, although feeling that you have been cheated and interference in a romantic triangle are common sources of deaths. All of these are vividly illustrated in the photos on the front pages of all Thai newspapers, but none of the English language dailies.
What you may be saying, is that you "feel" safe in Bangkok. If you go to the right parts of the city, especially as a tourist, it is very easy to feel that you are safe. With the bombs and the increasing terrorist activity in the city, that sense of safety is starting to erode.
When to you talk about relative "safety" of big Asian Cities, you would have to highly rank most of the large Chinese cities, Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan and KL if you were to measure them by statistical means. As a tourist, or as a resident, they are even more safe than BKK.
The "feeling safe"benefit has attached to the foreigners visiting here, but the real safety of Bangkok and Thailand is somewhat below the perception level. Loads of web sites have these crime statics, but if you read Thai, the newspapers give the grisly side of life here.
It seems that I am out 19, 000 Baht from two attempted ATM withdrawals that gave me no money but I was still charged for by my bank. The first attempt was at Nana Square on the first floor. The second was on the same block at the first outdoor machine on the way to KFC. In both cases I got to the point of submitting a withdrawal amount when the message appeared, something along the lines of, that there was a temporary service interruption. I was then offered the choice to try another transaction or not. Upon choosing the latter my card popped out with no receipt paper & I left.
Back in Canada a teller at my bank {BOM} told me she could refund the ATM fees on the two transactions. Beyond that she offered no assistance except the recommendation to call the ATM's in question. Though I doubt it will help get my money back if anyone can provide these phone numbers I would appreciate it. When we get together for a cool one in BKK you will recieve your reward;
I see from receipts from other transactions I made at NanaSquare that their is a web ady. [url]www.bangkokbank.com[/url]. On every receipt at the top is also the same number after some Thai words: 3 101 024777. A phone number, perhaps?
One day I had another problem with an ATM on the other side of the street in the mall where McDonalds & Villa Market are. On the floor where the latter is, the ATM told me I had insufficient funds. I knew that was wrong and made another attempt for 300 Baht which was successful. Later several blocks away I tried another machine & had no problem getting 10, 000.
Maybe I will use traveller's checks in future vacations.
[QUOTE=Biz99]The truth is, the crime rates in Bangkok and Thailand are pretty high ...[/QUOTE]Biz99,
Good report, hits the nail on the head.
Bangkok is basically a safe city, if you don't get involved in any serious trouble with Thais.
Last case I heard of, it happened last week in front of Grand President Hotel: A customer came down from his room with his TG / BG, where two Thais were already waiting for him. He was attacked with bottles and ended up with cuts at his face / head bleeding like hell - a friend of mine sent him to a hospital.
The two men disappeared with the screaming woman in a car. Nobody helped the farang, though many people were watching the fight.
Giotto
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]One day I had another problem with an ATM on the other side of the street in the mall where McDonalds & Villa Market are. On the floor where the latter is, the ATM told me I had insufficient funds. I knew that was wrong and made another attempt for 300 Baht which was successful. Later several blocks away I tried another machine & had no problem getting 10, 000.Maybe I will use traveller's checks in future vacations.[/QUOTE]Just a reminder that sometimes the ATMs themselves can be out of money and the same message will usually appear, "insufficient funds." Some of them will not let you get this far, but some of them will.
Sid
How far are the red light districts (Nana,Soi, and Patpong) from the airport and from each other? Which district do you prefer? Heading there this Sept for 6 days. Any help would be great.
Is it illegal in Thailand to look at porn on your personal PC in the privacy of your hotel room? Can sex toys be brought with you to LOS?
On Sukhumvit i am sure i saw a sign saying "porn" for sale with nude DVDs. And at more than one shop w/i a block of NEP i could buy magazines with nude TGs on the cover. And yet i read about this crackdown:
[url]http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070718-051927-4034r[/url]
Another general question...when is a picture a porn picture?
Does having pics of your wife constitute porn?
Is it true if only ONE of those girls shows her nipples on your screen, then you committed a crime and will be subject to deportation.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Is it illegal in Thailand to look at porn on your personal PC in the privacy of your hotel room?[/QUOTE]What? of course not! what do you think Thailand is?
[QUOTE]Can sex toys be brought with you to LOS?[/QUOTE]Yes.
[QUOTE]Is it true if only ONE of those girls shows her nipples on your screen, then you committed a crime and will be subject to deportation.[/QUOTE]Hahahahaha. Are you for real? How old are you?
Either you are a Teenager or you must live in some Arab country where everything is banned. Stop worrying.
I have plenty of porn on my HD and it's not illegal at all.
Nana and Soi cowboy are 2 stops away from each other on the BTS skytrain. You can walk it in 20 minutes. Patpong is a 20 minute BTS ride from Nana or a 20 minute subway ride. Driving times are impossible to estimate due to heavy traffic. In general, the three areas are near each other. Learn to ride the BTS skytrain because it will save you time. There are (English speaking) information booths at each station. BTS is fast, cheap, and easy to use. It is an absolute must during high traffic times.
I would strong suggest finding a hotel in the Sukhumvit area near Nana. From there you can easily reach the other places. I would also suggest going to Nana the first night, Patpong the second night, and Soi Cowboy the third night. After experiencing these three places, you better can allocate the remaining three nights among the three areas. I like Nana best.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]It seems that I am out 19, 000 Baht from two attempted ATM withdrawals that gave me no money but I was still charged for by my bank. The first attempt was at Nana Square on the first floor. The second was on the same block at the first outdoor machine on the way to KFC. In both cases I got to the point of submitting a withdrawal amount when the message appeared, something along the lines of, that there was a temporary service interruption. I was then offered the choice to try another transaction or not. Upon choosing the latter my card popped out with no receipt paper & I left.
Back in Canada a teller at my bank {BOM} told me she could refund the ATM fees on the two transactions. Beyond that she offered no assistance except the recommendation to call the ATM's in question. Though I doubt it will help get my money back if anyone can provide these phone numbers I would appreciate it. When we get together for a cool one in BKK you will recieve your reward;
I see from receipts from other transactions I made at NanaSquare that their is a web ady. [url]www.bangkokbank.com[/url]. On every receipt at the top is also the same number after some Thai words: 3 101 024777. A phone number, perhaps?
One day I had another problem with an ATM on the other side of the street in the mall where McDonalds & Villa Market are. On the floor where the latter is, the ATM told me I had insufficient funds. I knew that was wrong and made another attempt for 300 Baht which was successful. Later several blocks away I tried another machine & had no problem getting 10, 000.
Maybe I will use traveller's checks in future vacations.[/QUOTE]
Same thing happened to me when I tried to withdraw an amount other than the Fast Cash amounts listed on the screen. I called my credit card and they told me to call the bank. It took a while to find someone who spoke English but I was successful and eventually got my money back. The banks are basically honest and they know when the ATMs are out of balance and will work to correct the problem. Try calling the number on the receipt and see what happens.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Is it illegal in Thailand to look at porn on your personal PC in the privacy of your hotel room? Can sex toys be brought with you to LOS?
[/QUOTE]
Porn is technicall illegal in Thailand which is why you don't see porn shops on every corner. However it is widely available on the street and in Pantip Plaza. Sex toys are available but hard to find and expensive. It's best to bring your own.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl] Is it illegal in Thailand to look at porn on your personal PC in the privacy of your hotel room? Can sex toys be brought with you to LOS?
On Sukhumvit i am sure i saw a sign saying "porn" for sale with nude DVDs. And at more than one shop w/i a block of NEP i could buy magazines with nude TGs on the cover. And yet i read about this crackdown:
[url]http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070718-051927-4034r[/url]
Another general question...when is a picture a porn picture?
Does having pics of your wife constitute porn?
Is it true if only ONE of those girls shows her nipples on your screen, then you committed a crime and will be subject to deportation.[/QUOTE]
Retired Army may answer best to the subject, however even if it is a general question I wonder the following:
In Thailand nice girls are available for any kind of private fun.
Therefore I doubt there is any need to look for porn movies, unless it would be illegal stuff, which I wouldn't assume here. So why bother with this.
There is plenty of legal Thai porn available in the internet from models presentations up to reality type stuff like 'Bargirls in Action' or such.
Maybe its better to make your own movie if you bring along a Video camera, some nice dresses and some toys. It has the advantage to be in the middle of the action.
regards
Brain666
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Is it illegal in Thailand to look at porn on your personal PC in the privacy of your hotel room? Can sex toys be brought with you to LOS?
On Sukhumvit i am sure i saw a sign saying "porn" for sale with nude DVDs. And at more than one shop w/i a block of NEP i could buy magazines with nude TGs on the cover. And yet i read about this crackdown:
[url]http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070718-051927-4034r[/url]
Another general question...when is a picture a porn picture?
Does having pics of your wife constitute porn?
Is it true if only ONE of those girls shows her nipples on your screen, then you committed a crime and will be subject to deportation.[/QUOTE]
I had many WCP, and Devilsfilms shortpornflicks on my laptop and when I was in the shower the girls would be watching two bruthahs double penetrating some cute biker girl and they'd tell me they didn't get off on it, but their lower jeem would be dripping. This is stuff you can download from established, Legal US Websites. I told the customs guys about it when I got back after they asked what I had on the laptop and they smiled and shook their head at me and scolded me, saying I could get in serious trouble in other countries, and be detained, etc. No 'mo porn for the pooyings!! It definately got the girls going. I woke up hours after a nice session and this BKK girl was watching them. I reached over, up and under and she was foaming below. I would never want to give underpaid Asian cops a reason to sign me up as a provider for their pension plan. Pantip has quite a porn selection but who needs porn in Thailand?
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]I had many WCP, and Devilsfilms shortpornflicks on my laptop and when I was in the shower the girls would be watching two bruthahs double penetrating some cute biker girl and they'd tell me they didn't get off on it, but their lower jeem would be dripping. This is stuff you can download from established, Legal US Websites. I told the customs guys about it when I got back after they asked what I had on the laptop and they smiled and shook their head at me and scolded me, saying I could get in serious trouble in other countries, and be detained, etc. No 'mo porn for the pooyings!! It definately got the girls going. I woke up hours after a nice session and this BKK girl was watching them. I reached over, up and under and she was foaming below. I would never want to give underpaid Asian cops a reason to sign me up as a provider for their pension plan. Pantip has quite a porn selection but who needs porn in Thailand?[/QUOTE]
My straight-laced very proper Thai GF loves porn. Wonder why?
BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Thai police officers who break rules will be forced to wear hot pink armbands featuring "Hello Kitty," the Japanese icon of cute, as a mark of shame, a senior officer said Monday. Hello Kitty is not something "macho police officers want covering their biceps," a Thai police chief says. Police officers caught littering, parking in a prohibited area, or arriving late -- among other misdemeanors -- will be forced to stay in the division office and wear the armband all day, said Police Col. Pongpat Chayaphan. The officers won't wear the armband in public.
The striking armband features Hello Kitty sitting atop two hearts. "Simple warnings no longer work. This new twist is expected to make them feel guilt and shame and prevent them from repeating the offense, no matter how minor," said Pongpat, acting chief of the Crime Suppression Division in Bangkok. "(Hello) Kitty is a cute icon for young girls. It's not something macho police officers want covering their biceps," Pongpat said.
He said police caught breaking the law will be subject the same fines and penalties as any other members of the public. "We want to make sure that we do not condone small offenses," Pongpat said, adding that the CSD believed that getting tough on petty misdemeanors would lead to fewer cases of more serious offenses including abuse of power and mistreatment of the public by police officers. Hello Kitty, invented by Sanrio Co. in 1974, has been popular for years with children and young women.
[QUOTE=Run Mann]Thai police officers who break rules will be forced to wear hot pink armbands featuring "Hello Kitty"...
..."This new twist is expected to make them feel guilt and shame and prevent them from [b]repeating[/b] the offense, no matter how minor," [/QUOTE]I read "repeating" as "reporting" first time around. Guess I've been in Bangkok for too long.
To Biz99
You are absolutely right with what you are saying on that part of unsafe BKK but I would not go in to a discussion on that " dark alley " part as the subject was mainly on tourist or farang visiting areas.
I have been often in factory’s far outside BKK and have seen and hear all this kind of things as you mention and my local guy’s (drivers) have had most of the time a handgun in the car, wondered why? No. Remember the time that Min. Thaksin ordered to clean the streets from drug gangs and the police just shot the kid’s without any question, you should be in the line of fire at that time.
I mentioned only about the tourist areas and not the city’s backstreet district where we have nothing to search like in many other city’s. If one run’s in to trouble it is mostly his own fold, would you end up in the " BKK Hilton ", not me, I received something scaring this week, just click on this link below (play film) and see how they treat prisoners in Malaysia but it’s the same situation in Thailand (have the pictures)
[url]http://www.zv-magazine.be/sfw/lijfstraffen_maleisi[/url]
I have not seen tourists raided by Thai gangs in the BKK tourist areas (maybe I am blind) while it is common in other city’s like Jakarta, KL, HKG etc, not talking about London, Amsterdam, Brussels and others in Europe where the shopping street scene is daily dominated by Moroccan or black gangs.
I say safe Tokio, see how that is changing, I was there often till 6 years ago, great nightlife area’s where boy’s and nice dressed geishas girls welcome you to get in the clubs and places for fun, Last time I was there is 2 years ago with a interval of 4 years and the night scene is completely changed, just scaring now, 95% of the area is run by mainly black doorman, Nigerians and other black nationals, they pulling aggressive on your shirt to get you inside and fights between them for claiming which one his customer you are. Result, you just leave the area after a few bad experiences, like having to pay to leave the club again, why? Because we did not screw one of these Eastern block girls inside the club that charges you a fortune, calculated by the minute you spend with them. Behind the curtain. Don’t understand how these blacks all can stay there on expired or short term visa. Just bad to see how quick this can change and let’s hope that this will not happen in Thailand wher most things still working with a smile.
Keep it safe guy’s.
John Euro
There is a very interesting podcast at
[url]http://expatgirl.com/[/url]
from a Western woman living in Thailand giving her view of the sex trade.
It provides a different perspective than what we normally see on this site.
Too bad it appears that she gave up after the first podcast.
JPF,
She's not telling us anything we don't know.
Instead of whining on the internet, she should try and get herself a boyfriend. She claims it is hard for her to get one but I know hundreds of Thai Guys who would love to be with her LOL.
As far as I am concerned, I am young, single and have fun with Thai girls! The Day I'll want to enter a Serious relationship, then I will look for a western girl. I am sure a lot of guys here will disagree, but I have had 2 serious Thai Girlfriends and let me tell you the Headaches and Drama were the same (if not worse) than with a western girl.
One thing all Thailand visitors should remember. Never, ever insult a Thai in rude fashion. Spelling out the four letter word easily turns the nicest guy/girl into a gun, knife slinging lunatic, without any reasoning or common sense. And the scariest part is, they will not stop wanting to fight.
Thais are very emotional in all things, and overall lack a sense for reality as we - foreigners - know it. Every day gruesome murders take place for the most ridiculous reasons. This is hardly ever documented in the local English press. Shootings during daylight hours for minor traffic offenses are normal.
Case in point is the much documented recent story of the rich kid, who’s car cut off by a bus. He confronted the bus driver, smashed his face with a brick and after bus passengers made fun of him he got back in his car ran over a number of bystanders. One women died. The crowd then attempted to lynch him.
One last point. Not all Thai's like foreigners. This is probably the most common mistake tourists and expats make, assuming that its is ok to live here. For many Thai's it is not.
JB
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Not all Thai's like foreigners.[/QUOTE]
In fact, very few Thais like foreigners.
But they like the money we bring in !
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]In fact, very few Thais like foreigners.[/QUOTE]
I would have thought that this was exaggerating a little.
I like foreign women. I don't like Australian women much (my own country).
I know many Thai women you are fed up with Thai men and seem to prefer foreigners even though there are many arsehole foreigners around as well.
Some Thai men are a continual drain on the families resources always needing money for suspect purposes.
At least Foreigners are usually bringing money rather than draining/stealing it.
When I met my GF's daughter aged 7 we got on famously well. Seems she had no real prejudices about large Farangs. She is a sweet darilng.
I won't go into how Thai men find me in detail but have found some to be very friendly indeed beyond expectations.
Young children do not have any prejudices till life teaches them otherwise or bigot parents do it.
Yes, Thai people really love their country. I was in the movie theater with my GF. As usual everybody stands up when they show the king thing.
I am an american and will not stand for any king real or imagined.
My gf argued with me all the way home.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]In fact, very few Thais like foreigners.[/QUOTE]
I think maybe the Thais dislike only those foreigners who have access to all the generals, beautiful girls, and high salaried teaching positions in the kingdom. :)
[QUOTE=Sammon]Young children do not have any prejudices till life teaches them otherwise or bigot parents do it.
Yes, Thai people really love their country. I was in the movie theater with my GF. As usual everybody stands up when they show the king thing.
I am an american and will not stand for any king real or imagined.
My gf argued with me all the way home.[/QUOTE]
Sammon: I respectfully disagree. No flame intended but:
If your Thai GF went with you to a ballgame stateside, and they played Star Spangled Banner and she refused to stand, you'd be ok with that? :( :(
Or better yet, picture this: you're in Seattle for a Mariner's game and the Star Spangled Banner is played, and all the japanese visitors wanting to see Ichiro play remain seated, what would go through YOUR mind....be truthful!
When in Rome, do as the Romans do -- at least to show respect to your host country.
I think that you have come pretty close to nailing this. A lot of people put down the irrational acts of Thais to face issues, and sometimes that describes it. But the reason that face is so prominent, is the overall emotional immaturity of the majority of Thais.
Like you say, in the Thai press there are scores of daily examples of Thai people losing it over the smallest things. My favorite was the motorcycle taxi driver who agreed with his friends to bump up the fare when the oil price jumped. Then, he did not implement what he agreed with them, and they teased him a bit, saying, "Does your father own a gas station, or what?" He went home, got a gun, came back and shot his too friends. Killed a guy aged 26 and a girl 27 because he could not handle a slight teasing from his friends.
Periodically, the press will publish some new statistics from the national testing students here go through. IQ issues are really big, but they are also often talking about EQ, or emotional maturity. The popluation here has some huge issues with regard to emotional maturity, and many of the bizarre reactions of the people, often male, and often under 24, have a lot to do with this social problem. The gang wars between technical schools that are so prevalent are a symptom of this problem.
I would also agree that few Thais like foreigners. Everyone should be careful when you come across a Thai person with both sets of issues (EQ problems and anti-foreigner sentiment). Leave the scene quietly.
[QUOTE=Sammon]Young children do not have any prejudices till life teaches them otherwise or bigot parents do it.
Yes, Thai people really love their country. I was in the movie theater with my GF. As usual everybody stands up when they show the king thing.
I am an american and will not stand for any king real or imagined.
My gf argued with me all the way home.[/QUOTE]
The Thai King is one of the most revered Regents in History. Not because he is King but because of the great man he is. He is far superior to your President.
If you can't show some respect for the Thai ways, stay home.
I am sure you have lost much respect from your GF.
To enjoy Thailand we must try to fit in. This is not always easy but worth striving for. I must strive to be polite even when people annoy me, because its Thai to maintain good manners.
[quote=mick licker]the thai king is one of the most revered regents in history. not because he is king but because of the great man he is. he is far superior to your president.[/quote]
boy, you talk about setting a low bar. i should certainly hope the guy is far superior to our president. do you realize how many dregs we had to scrape from the bottom of old barrels to get our current president?
Sammon,
You being an American I assume that you have been to a ballgame like Football, Basketball, Baseball, etc... Do you stand up and take off your hat when the national anthem is played? Do you get mad when others don't or leave their hats on or backward?
Would it kill you to do what the locals do or are you one of those Americans that is so arrogrant that they think they can do no wrong! Maybe that's why we are still in Iraq!
Are you in Thailand to enjoy yourself and have a good time or are you there for political reasons? I met a American fellas who lives near me and found out that he hates Thai food, music, movies, and likes to beat his wife and now won't even support his own son. I ask myself WTF is he doing in Thailand and WTF is she staying around for?
I suspect your GF, after your disagreement won't be around long unless she see a pot at the end of the rainbow.
Just my 2 cents on your disrepect of the King.
LBM
[QUOTE=Daddy07]I think maybe the Thais dislike only those foreigners who have access to all the generals, beautiful girls, and high salaried teaching positions in the kingdom. :)[/QUOTE]
It was funnier when Duniawala said it.
False:There are 1,000 generals in the Thai army. I only know about half of them. Most of them dislike foreigners, except me. Only about 250 dislike me.
True: I do have access to the most beautiful girls, and they too dislike most foreigners, but love me...I'm the exception because I'm "jai dee and op oon".
True: I do have access to the highest salaried teaching positions, which makes Thai professors jealous and dislike most foreigners.
:) ;) :)
Interesting Discussions.
So who's got the bigger dick? LOL
In my short (2.5 years) living in Thailand, I have come to the conclusion (or assumption) that Thai people (Male or Female) don't necessarily "care" about us foreigners that much as long as we don't interfere in their everyday life. They will be very nice and go out of their way to help if we are nice to them.
It is funny how a simple smile can turn a difficult situation into a positive one.
[QUOTE=Sammon].....
Yes, Thai people really love their country. I was in the movie theater with my GF. As usual everybody stands up when they show the king thing.
I am an american and will not stand for any king real or imagined.
My gf argued with me all the way home.[/QUOTE]
Right she is and I think you lost your face.
It's definitely you who are lacking respect for the country you visit.
When I am in a foreign country and people stand up if they play the national hymn I stand up as well, regardless which country it is and regardless if I like the leader. This includes Stars and Stripes.
It is unfortunately your type of American arrogant behave which draws the picture of Americans around the world to the dislike of your American fellow mongers. Even if there are 100 nice other well educated Americans on each of you ignorant type, it’s the few of you who make people's mind of Americans globally (supported by your current president and his administration of course).
Stay home dude and let the nice ones of your country who can show a little respect come here.
Regards
Brain666
When in Rome... yes I agree. This does not mean that I have to like all things around me. Yes, I will do my best not to offend. That is standard courtesy.
But after all, I am a global citizen. I lived all over the world and as such my internal believes and attitude stand in sharp contrast to Thai values. Yes, Thai's can surely be the sweetest people. But the naivity people display to social, cultural and economic issues is just mind blowing at times.
For me this means to keep my mouth shut. And by god, am I tempted to just speak my mind at times. But why try, there is nothing to gain, other then trouble.
JB
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]The Thai King is one of the most revered Regents in History. Not because he is King but because of the great man he is. He is far superior to your President.
If you can't show some respect for the Thai ways, stay home.
I am sure you have lost much respect from your GF.
To enjoy Thailand we must try to fit in. This is not always easy but worth striving for. I must strive to be polite even when people annoy me, because its Thai to maintain good manners.[/QUOTE]
She's sorry she does not have all the power she use to when she lived in the west. Her life now is like mine has always been.
She talks about the typical sex pat as being fat, bald, old men being used by Thai Isaan girls for their money. First off she doesn't want men to be able to have this choice. They should only be able to pursue comparable western women on these women's terms. Second men that go this route and are used like that just shows me how desperate they are for affection. No doubt from a lifetime of dealing with western women. Third, she doesn't think women are using men for money in the west! How absurd! Money is one of the main factors in choosing men everywhere including the west, maybe especially the west. She just can't recognize it.
I tried to comment but apparently she is taking no more. I said I was tired of western women but would be willing for a relationship it just has to be on my terms now, not theirs. Show me what you are going to do for me. Impress me. Woo me. If they don't I have choices. I can have short time p4p in numerous countries in the world or I if I wanted something long term there are women in the Philippines that would stand in line to marry me right now. Choices the likes of her don't want me to have.
They hate us having alternatives. Be prepared for a lot more of women like her in the future. You're going to hear every lie in the world to curtail our freedoms. Just like whats been done in the west.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]In fact, very few Thais like foreigners.[/QUOTE]
Do you blame them? Look at the way we act in their country, e.g., refusing to stand at the National Anthem in a theatre; getting drunk and making fools of ourselves on Sukhumvit, Patpong, Soi Cowboy, etc.
Would we accept this kind of behaivor from foreigners in our own country? I think not.
[QUOTE=Fred C Dobbs]She's sorry she does not have all the power she use to when she lived in the west. Her life now is like mine has always been.
She talks about the typical sex pat as being fat, bald, old men being used by Thai Isaan girls for their money. First off she doesn't want men to be able to have this choice. They should only be able to pursue comparable western women on these women's terms. Second men that go this route and are used like that just shows me how desperate they are for affection. No doubt from a lifetime of dealing with western women. Third, she doesn't think women are using men for money in the west! How absurd! Money is one of the main factors in choosing men everywhere including the west, maybe especially the west. She just can't recognize it.
I tried to comment but apparently she is taking no more. I said I was tired of western women but would be willing for a relationship it just has to be on my terms now, not theirs. Show me what you are going to do for me. Impress me. Woo me. If they don't I have choices. I can have short time p4p in numerous countries in the world or I if I wanted something long term there are women in the Philippines that would stand in line to marry me right now. Choices the likes of her don't want me to have.
They hate us having alternatives. Be prepared for a lot more of women like her in the future. You're going to hear every lie in the world to curtail our freedoms. Just like whats been done in the west.[/QUOTE]
Ha Ha I have to say this time.
She is now at the very end of the pussy priority and notifies that, but doesn't seem to be willing to compromise yet. She may need a couple of more years still, but I guess she will go back and complain and complain and complain and try to enforce the home law that f....ng a foreign woman will be penalized by law (for being abusive).
Regards
Brain666
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Do you blame them? Look at the way we act in their country, e.g., refusing to stand at the National Anthem in a theatre; getting drunk and making fools of ourselves on Sukhumvit, Patpong, Soi Cowboy, etc.
Would we accept this kind of behaivor from foreigners in our own country? I think not.[/QUOTE]
You obviously have never lived in the UK!
My friend's tirak(Burmese) always has to go back to Mae Sai to make Identification card(IC). I think one year 2-3 times.
Actually they go back to extend or make a new one? Is this called temporary IC? How this works? When they can have a permanent IC?
Can any Bro who knows that help to answer these? Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Petemcc]You obviously have never lived in the UK![/QUOTE]
No, I haven't. Only traveled through Heathrow and that was enough.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Same thing happened to me when I tried to withdraw an amount other than the Fast Cash amounts listed on the screen. I called my credit card and they told me to call the bank. It took a while to find someone who spoke English but I was successful and eventually got my money back. The banks are basically honest and they know when the ATMs are out of balance and will work to correct the problem. Try calling the number on the receipt and see what happens.[/QUOTE]When I try calling the number on the receipt {3 101 024777}, with 1-66 preceding it, I get a message that this number is not assigned or cannot be completed as dialed. So I checked out the internet address on the slip, [url]www.bangkokbank.com[/url], and found an email address to contact them re this matter. Infoatbbl. Co. Th. Very early on August 8 they replied as follows:
"For your case , we strongly recommend you contact our phone banking center at +66-2645-5555 (from the overseas) or 1333 (from within Thailand), a 24/7 service to submit your request and we will investigate further. Thank you."
My response to this around 11 p.m. PST on August 10 said:
"Whenever i call this number {1+66-2645-5555 } it tells me this cellular customer is either
{1} out of my service area or {2} unavailable & to try later. Hopefully this matter can be resolved
before i return to your city in 2-3 weeks. Until then i will not be able to trust ATM machines
there, at least not those that are associated with bangkokbank.com, use traveller's checks,
and recommend the same to others i know personally & on internet forums."
Sorry to have to ask such a basic question, but are Western-branded condoms (eg Durex) in Thailand the same size as those in the West? I have to buy some more, and having seen those on display in Cabbages & Condoms, I am concerned there might be a size difference. I am large by Western standards (not bragging - arguably more problems than pleasure) and would hate to have to forego to more nights of fun over this issue.
Thanks
[QUOTE=PinkPearl] ... "Whenever i call this number {1+66-2645-5555 } it tells me this cellular customer is either {1} out of my service area or {2} unavailable & to try later. [/QUOTE]
Pink,
Next time try either 1-011, or just 011-66-2645-5555, and it should work. It works for me and I use 10-10-987-011-66-2645-5555.
Good luck,
Daddy
[QUOTE=Mouse1]Sorry to have to ask such a basic question, but are Western-branded condoms (eg Durex) in Thailand the same size as those in the West? I have to buy some more, and having seen those on display in Cabbages & Condoms, I am concerned there might be a size difference. I am large by Western standards (not bragging - arguably more problems than pleasure) and would hate to have to forego to more nights of fun over this issue.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
They are usually a little bit smaller. You would be better off and happier bringing in your supply.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]Pink,
Next time try either 1-011, or just 011-66-2645-5555, and it should work. It works for me and I use 10-10-987-011-66-2645-5555.
Good luck,
Daddy[/QUOTE]Yes, thank you, the 011 prefix did work for me on my landline phone,
though not on my cell.
I spoke to the ATM disputes department of Bangkok Bank and they said they cannot do anything since the card i used with their ATM that stole my money was not of their bank. The lady i spoke to said that my bank in Canada would have to contact Bangkok Bank on my behalf in order to try to resolve this.
Previously my bank had informed me that they could not do anything since the thieving ATM machine was not theirs. So i am getting the bank run- around here, & it's back to my bank again tomorrow.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]When I try calling the number on the receipt {3 101 024777}, with 1-66 preceding it, I get a message that this number is not assigned or cannot be completed as dialed. So I checked out the internet address on the slip, [url]www.bangkokbank.com[/url], and found an email address to contact them re this matter. Infoatbbl. Co. Th. Very early on August 8 they replied as follows:
"For your case , we strongly recommend you contact our phone banking center at +66-2645-5555 (from the overseas) or 1333 (from within Thailand), a 24/7 service to submit your request and we will investigate further. Thank you."
My response to this around 11 p.m. PST on August 10 said:
"Whenever i call this number {1+66-2645-5555 } it tells me this cellular customer is either
{1} out of my service area or {2} unavailable & to try later. Hopefully this matter can be resolved
before i return to your city in 2-3 weeks. Until then i will not be able to trust ATM machines
there, at least not those that are associated with bangkokbank.com, use traveller's checks,
and recommend the same to others i know personally & on internet forums."[/QUOTE]
Are you trying to call from Thailand or from outside the country?
If dialing in Thailand you would dial 02 645-5555 for a regular phone and 08 645-5555 if it's a cell phone. What I don't understand is why the bank would give you a cell number to call.
[QUOTE=Mouse1]Sorry to have to ask such a basic question, but are Western-branded condoms (eg Durex) in Thailand the same size as those in the West? I have to buy some more, and having seen those on display in Cabbages & Condoms, I am concerned there might be a size difference. I am large by Western standards (not bragging - arguably more problems than pleasure) and would hate to have to forego to more nights of fun over this issue.
Thanks[/QUOTE]We briefly touched upon this topic in the Bkk forum. Condoms are measured in mm DIAMETER, so check what size you usually use first, it should tell you on the box somewhere. Size is not really everything with condoms, it also has a lot to do with personal preference and your ability to mainitain hardness in the presence of a piece of rubber trying to strangle your member :) If you are "large" as you say then perhaps you use a larger size than usual in which case I would say bring your own. Most Durex varieties here are in the 52mm size range, and most girls carry that size (the most popular being the Durex strawberry ones which are 52mm). Another warning, if you ever have to get condoms brought to your room by the establishment then they are likely to me smaller and thicker local ones which are terrible! The largest size commonly available is the Durex Comfort which is 54mm. Having said that, the other day I bought a box of Comforts and was surprised to find they were 56mm in size. I found them in a 7-11 down Soi 5 near Gullivers, and have never seen them for sale anywhere else before.
[quote=mick licker]the thai king is one of the most revered regents in history. not because he is king but because of the great man he is. he is far superior to your president.
if you can't show some respect for the thai ways, stay home.
i am sure you have lost much respect from your gf.
to enjoy thailand we must try to fit in. this is not always easy but worth striving for. i must strive to be polite even when people annoy me, because its thai to maintain good manners.[/quote]
i actually enjoy it more when i don't like them because i take enjoyment in stiffing them, and kicking girls out when they start with the ultimatums or not performing good service. you can loath them and enjoy the place at the same time. i have blown my stack and caused deadbeats to lose face and have physically thrown unruly hoze out my door. i have refused to eat totally cooked meals because the mixed veg's w/the 200bht live snapper are 500bht ask to see your bill before you dig in. it may have gone up 100% at some bkk places. i've ridden cabs from nana to kao san road and if the fare ain't right and the meter ain't running, i just jump out. i haven't had an ass kicking yet. you need to totally avoid any interaction with thai males. keep them at arms length and have them maintain no higher than their station in life. if a dude tries to chat you up, pretend you are brazilian or czech, and don't bother tipping. always change drivers. they declared war on the us and built the bkk road called jap friendship fly over as a nice runway for the jap planes that wouldn't look like a runway to recon. the thai diplomat carried the declaration in his pocket and never delivered it. when the us dropped the bombs they declared war on the japs and seized their assets. they have a chip on their shoulder because the limeys and frogs took their territory and the frog's sank the entirethai navy with a little rag tag squadron of vichy boats out of saigon right by koh chang. the thais wanted the japs to punish the vichy frogs in saigon (a nice ww2 job) but they found out who the japs had more respect for. i have a great time because i sah-peek the language and i am totally hip to their scams. it is hard to keep a straight face while watching others get scammed and hearing people babbling at what a magical marvelous place it is. i am a new yorker and i sez thais are the rudest, pushiest people on earth.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Do you blame them? Look at the way we act in their country, e.g., refusing to stand at the National Anthem in a theatre; getting drunk and making fools of ourselves on Sukhumvit, Patpong, Soi Cowboy, etc.
Would we accept this kind of behaivor from foreigners in our own country? I think not.[/QUOTE]
It reminds me of the monkey park in Ubud, Bali. They DO get drunk, and they do act crazy. Some smoke Yah-bah while watching porn and drinking and do ting-tong things. There are some scary caucasian lady backpacker stories. A drunk ex-cop-bar-owner made a pass at a pretty British backpacker down by the River Kwai tour stuff and her Scouse Boyfriend beat the guy to a pulp. The ex-cop got his gun and shot them in the back then ran them over with his car while they begged for mercy This was a couple of years back and the dude is probably free now. Don't worry, in about 20-30 years the Asian sex tourists will be in the US far surpassing any of our antics that you are so ashamed of. They are like injunz when they get drunk.
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy] ... Don't worry, in about 20-30 years the Asian sex tourists will be in the US far surpassing any of our antics that you are so ashamed of.... [/QUOTE]
Good! They can have our good for nothing bitches to put up with while I'm enjoying Thai women. (On second thought, I'll most likely be dead in 30 years anyway)
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]It reminds me of the monkey park in Ubud, Bali. [/QUOTE]I recognize the similarities, but I will say that no drunken Thai has ever tried to steal my clothes, as happened to me once upon a time 21 years ago in the monkey forest in Ubud.
This notion that Thais despise foreigners may be as rule true enough to work as an operating principle. I've also made the following observations:
- Thais hate and despise Indians, a lot more than they do white people. Except for the Buddha.
-They also despise Laos, and even more so Khmens, and they REALLY hate Burmese.
They are none-too-fond of Malaysians, either. That pretty much covers the neighbors.
-Thais think Africans are sub-human.
-Thai women despise and sometimes hate Thai men.
-Chinese Thais despise anyone darker than a member of the royal family.
-Thais want to be Japanese, but it doesn't mean that they love or respect Ai Yun, necessarily, although they envy his money and the way he doesn't act all obsequious around white people.
I think the main thing to keep in mind is (and this is by no means an original observation) that envy and fear are the main driving forces in Thai social interaction. Thais have envied Europeans/Americans for a very long time; envied their spending power, their military might, their skin color- you name it. I'm afraid that whitey may have slipped off his pedestal a bit in recent decades, at least insofar as they (especially the Yanks) are perceived by people whose superficial thought processes cause them to deal mainly in stereotypes. As one might expect in Thailand, the loss of the perceived basis for envy can only inspire contempt.
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]
You need to TOTALLY avoid any interaction with Thai males. Keep them at arms length and have them maintain no higher than their station in life. If a dude tries to chat you up, pretend you are Brazilian or Czech, and don't bother tipping. Always change drivers. <cut>.[/QUOTE]
Its hard to imagine what sort of Thai girls would go with you, only the unsuspecting ones.
As for Thai guys, I found some of them real good to talk to, and got some good incite into puzzling things. Don't need to be thinking with your dick 100% of the time.
The way tourists behave and interact with locals in all parts of the world has been studied in great detail. That a certain amount of friction results during the course of these interactions is inevitable. In a study I did on beaches in my country I found that Russian tourists were the most critical but at the same time partook in activities which degraded the environment.
This apparant contradiction is plain to locals. I can assure you that the locals in Thailand discuss tourists' bevaiour in the same way that we discuss and try to understand them. I am also equally sure that there are times when farangs should know better. One can have a good time punting and at the same time behave in the right way. Every country has its customs. As guests we should respect these customs as we expect tourists who visit us to respect ours. That's the least we can do. I am also sure that there are a number of Farangs amongst you who help where help is needed. And please remember, people are individuals. Some are ok and some are just bastards.
Anyway will be in LOS on Tuesday and sincerely hope to meet some of you there for a chat and a beer.
Take care,
Taka
[QUOTE=Sammon]
Yes, Thai people really love their country. I was in the movie theater with my GF. As usual everybody stands up when they show the king thing.
I am an american and will not stand for any king real or imagined.
My gf argued with me all the way home.[/QUOTE]
Sammon,
don't forget, you are only a guest in that country and have to respect their rules and traditions.
I guess everything else that should be said about you was already said by others.
[QUOTE=Sammon]I am an american and will not stand for any king real or imagined. My gf argued with me all the way home.[/QUOTE]
Being an American has nothing to do with it. Standing during a country's national anthem is customary throughout the world. Not to do so is an insult. You'll be in a world of pain if a Thai cop sees you disrespecting the king or Thai national anthem. It's also a very quick way to get yourself kicked to death by a group of Thais. More than one foreigner has gone home as ashes in an urn because, in the eyes of Thais, he insulted Buddha or the king.
Evil
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]It's also a very quick way to get yourself kicked to death by a group of Thais. More than one foreigner has gone home as ashes in an urn because, in the eyes of Thais, he insulted Buddha or the king.[/QUOTE]There is some irony to be savored in the perpetrators of such violence not comprehending the lese majeste implicit in their own actions. And kicking someone to death for Buddha is comparable to torturing someone for Jesus.
In other news, Bangers seems kind of dead at the moment. I normally expect town to be a bit busier in August, but my mates and I had Midnight (Cowboy) nearly to ourselves not long after midnight. Not too bad, really, but it is nice to have a few other punters around to take the pressure off, otherwise it feels like everybody's talkin' at me. None of the lay-dees bore much scrutiny, unfortunately (although it does, nonetheless, save me money). Don't even seem to be that many Yamatoans fleeing the heat of their sweltering archipelago (37C in Tokyo yesterday). Is it unusually slow around town or is it my imagination?
Correct, it isn't a good idea to start an anti-monarchist revolution in a Thai movie theatre. Also, if you ever happen to meet the King in person, remember to address him correctly: Of course you can't call him by his name, but something like 'His Majesty' won't do either. The traditional way is not to directly address the King in his presence at all; instead you're supposed to refer to 'the dust beneath the august sole of your august feet'. Not that it's very likely that you'll have a chance to use that phrase, though ... ;)
YY
[QUOTE=Yin Yang]if you ever happen to meet the King in person, remember to address him correctly[/QUOTE]YY,
I highly doubt that one could ever "Happen" to meet the king, it is virtually impossible for you to ever meet the king in person.
I am of course speaking of an official encounter, where let's say you would be allowed to come within screaming distance to his majesty.
Just make sure you respect the Pictures, Anthems, Theatre Tribute Videos and the likes, I will guarantee you you will be fine.
On the subject of the BTS anthem (daily played at 8am and 6pm) I can see why some Farangs would not stop upon hearing it. I see Thais (daily) who continue walking while the Anthem is playing.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]YY,
I highly doubt that one could ever "Happen" to meet the king, it is virtually impossible for you to ever meet the king in person.
...[/QUOTE]NicFrenchy,
No, no, no, it is not impossible to meet the King. You have NO IDEA how many of the guests of Livingstone's have met the King !?! Many. A lot. Huge numbers!!!!
Some of them even showed me the presents the King gave to them! The presents the King gave to them. Yes! Yes, really. All Farang.
I am the only one who NEVER MET the King! What the hell is wrong with me?
BTW: I met Thaksin (really!). I am from hell, for sure :(:(:( .
Giotto
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Are you trying to call from Thailand or from outside the country?[/QUOTE]I was calling from outside Thailand.
As it turns out while my bank did charge me for the attempted ATM withdrawals of 19G baht that gave me no money, they also did reimburse me for the same on the same day. If I had examined the bank statements this should have been obvious and saved me quite a bit of trouble.
Giotto,
I don't believe a word. Even if the King handed out any presents to his visitors, they probably wouldn't be the kind of things desired by the typical Livingstone's customer!
And if you actually met Thaksin, why didn't he recruit you for the Man C team then? We all know you'd have the legs for that - and maybe you'd have more success on the pitch than at the pool table :)
YY
[QUOTE=Yin Yang]...
I don't believe a word. Even if the King handed out any presents to his visitors, they probably wouldn't be the kind of things desired by the typical Livingstone's customer!
And if you actually met Thaksin, why didn't he recruit you for the Man C team then? We all know you'd have the legs for that - and maybe you'd have more success on the pitch than at the pool table :)
..
[/QUOTE]Yin Yang,
You don't believe me? I never lie :):(:) !
Presents: Usually Thai silk shirts, Thai gold, other gems, golden watches (!) . I don't know whether the Livingstone's customers can use it or not...
Man C - shit, it was a business meeting. Years ago. And then afterwards some other meetings because we know each other. And - I AM OLD! I have the sexy knees from Rumminigge, for sure!!! But - I am too old for Man C, as well as Rumminigge .
BTW: Was I so bad at the pool table :) ?
Giotto
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]YY,
I highly doubt that one could ever "Happen" to meet the king, it is virtually impossible for you to ever meet the king in person.[/QUOTE]
I used to live right next to the Royal Palace in Hua Hin. So, we were neighbours.
But...
He never came over for coffee, always avoided weekend BBQs and generally was pretty stand-offish.
I did see him in the distance once, sailing his boat. I shouted, "Yo, King!!" But, he never responded.
So, yes, it is hard to meet the King.
Meeting the King is not as hard as you might think. It happened to me simply because I stopped loving my dog.
I know it's not normal for a falang to stop loving his dog, but after living in Thailand for a couple of years it's hard to avoid emulating their society.
As with most falang men, the first step in emulating Thai society is to get yourself a girlfriend or two. After that comes the wives and the mia noi's and it wasn't until I had my first wife and my first mia noi that the slow downhill spiral began.
Most people don't know this, but the reason why there are so many stray dogs in Thailand is because the average man has a wife and at least one mia noi.
After a man has the pressure of a wife and a mia noi or two on his back for a while, he begins to do things he thought he'd never do. And one of those things is taking all the pressure and misfortune of his wives and mia noi's out on his dog.
Believe me! It's true! My wife was f-u-c-k-i-n-g some other man and all my mia noi's were asking for more money. One day the pressure of it all became so unbearable I thought my dog was laughing at me.
So I slapped him across the face and kicked him in the ribs just before kicking him in the a-s-s while screaming at the top of my lungs, "Don't let the door hit you on the way out b-i-t-c-h!"
The next day I was incredibly sad. I couldn't believe I'd kicked my dog out on the street. My best friend, (man's best friend), was alone without shelter or food because my d-i-c-k had d-i-c-k-t-a-t-ed the course of my life and the course of my vengeance.
I began to cry as I edged toward my balcony and climbed up on the rail. I was contemplating the feeling of bone crushing into cement when a long black Mercedes limousine parked on the street below me. A small man climbed out of the limo with my dog in his arms. I was overjoyed!
I jumped from the rail and ran across my apartment. Just as I reached the front door my phone rang. It was the receptionist calling to tell me I had a visitor and ask if it would be all right if she sent him up. "Yes ma'am, please do", is all I remember saying before hanging up the phone.
The little man shoved a piece of paper in my hand and asked if he could come inside. I looked at the paper and it was the paper I had put into my dog's dog collar. After all, even though I kicked my dog out on the street, I was still a falang. And all falang (or most of us), put our dog's name and address in a little capsule that is attached to their collar.
The little man informed me that my dog was now the KING'S dog. And then he said, "HOWEVER, THE KING IS A VERY GENEROUS AND LOVING MAN, therefore, HE has extended an invitation to you to see your ex-dog whenever you like. Just come to the Grand Palace with this card." And he thrust a card in my hand without saying another word.
I looked at the card in awe. It had the KING'S royal seal on it. I was so dumbfounded that I didn't realize the small man was gone until I heard the elevator bell ring. I looked up just in time to see him vanish.
As it turns out, the night I kicked my dog out on the street is the very night THE KING OF THAILAND decided he needed a new dog. The KING wanted to make a statement when choosing a new dog, so he chose a stray dog off the street. In fact, he chose my dog!
I still have my wife, but I've gotten rid of all my mia noi's and life is much better now. Me and my wife can visit my dog (I mean our dog) whenever we want and we are happy together.
In the end, I just have two things to say:
1) It's not as hard as you might think to meet the KING
2) No one can love you unless they love your dog, including yourself!
:)
poster . . .
Poster,
Drugs aren’t doing you any good, you should stop taking them, especially this last one, whatever you took before typing these latest badly written ramblings.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mean that your posts when sober are well written, I just mean that when on drugs they are even worse, which is a lot to say.
Last, but not least, it would be best to leave the King out of your drunken fantasies when posting – some guys here post and read from the field, and my guess is that they would like to continue doing so.
[QUOTE=PosterLion] ... In the end, I just have two things to say:
1) It's not as hard as you might think to meet the KING
2) No one can love you unless they love your dog, including yourself!
:)
poster . . .[/QUOTE]
Marvelous piece of fiction, Poster, and, as usual, wonderful writing style leading to a moral of the story which is timeless and abosolutely true. (I know you are not the type of guy who could kick a dog.) BTW -- mine will be flying with me in the cabin on Thai Airways this coming October all the way to LOS where we will retire together in paradise. I wouldn't trade him for a king's ransom, and if he doesn't like a pooying I bring home, HER ass will be kicked out the door to the curb. :)
Regards,
Daddy
P.S. Don't listen to Gladiator. He's just jealous and doesn't appreciate dogs.
Daddy,
Thanks . . . I have not had a dog since I was 11 years old. My story was and is indeed, fiction.
Gladiator,
You're obviously talkin' out your ass as usual, because I can see you have no idea what life on drugs is like.
That said, I've been off drugs since February 22nd, 2007. That story is indeed, not fiction.
cheers mates!
poster . . .
Poster,
I know the ‘story’, as you call it, was just one more of your brain farts - druggies lack the necessary commitment to have a dog.
My point was that, after a couple of years without reading anything from you, I expected your writing skills to be more polished, which doesn’t seem to be the case. Not to mention the desperate use of Him for a higher, though unsuccessful, literary impact.
[QUOTE=Gladiator]Poster, ... I know the ‘story’, as you call it, was just one more of your brain farts - [/QUOTE]
The brain farts of an artist are as gold when compared to the brainless brass of his critic.
Got this from a friend over the internet. Up to you to decide if it is credible or not.
Greetings:
Everyday reading the local paper and Bangkok News at breakfast is an adventure in reading how a country can shoot ones self in the foot and wonder why their bleeding:
Bangkok Post Reports: that the controlling military government paid 100 to 300 Thai Baht per person for 10,000's of thousands of Thai's they truck to Bangkok to demonstrate "FOR" the new constitution to be voted on in 2 weeks ......hmmmmmm, the very reason the coupe was held almost a year ago was to outs corruption and those that paid for votes for a certain party. History repeats is self and very quickly now with thee opposition party !!!!
Bangkok Post Reports: The common Thai's know little or nothing about the constitution they are voting about, yet are being told if they do not cast a vote they loss their right to vote in the future. hmmmmm, very democratic !!
Bangkok Post Reports: There is no other option but a "YES" or "NO" vote as to whether, Thai's except this constitution written by the Military leadership that over threw a democracy 11 months ago..... Take it or leave it !!! IF....the vote is "NO"...then there shall be no voting to elect a Prim Minister or government in the future. ...hmmmmmm! Talk about putting a gun to one's head!!
Pattaya Mail Reports: Police now have thee authority to, without a search warrant or court order ......go into any home, business or anywhere and take any or all computers. If they do not like what they find on ones computer, you could be jailed up to 3 years and a 100,000 Baht fine. Will they torture us to get our password to our e-mail address ????
Pattaya Mail Reports: Government censorship of tech messaging, e-mails and all communications. I, and others here, have had some research on the web blocked and some emails blocked. Can you say:"Hale Hitler!!"
Pattaya Mail Reports: The rules now governing any foreign workers to include volunteer and aid workers, as so strict, regulated and time consuming to adhere to, that most companies and/or agencies empolying or having foreigners at their establishments will not wish to endue the addition expense and scrutiny by the government and thus remove and foreign help, aid workers, and/or employees.
Today: I drove by 2 dear friends, that are English gentleman, having separate businesses in Jomtien, but on 1 small street. They had clean wonderful little restaurants and nice Thai wifes and 2-4 Thai's working for them each....both have closed shop in just the last day ...and businesses are up for sale, but no one shall buy. ....and that is JUST on my small street to the beach. Other streets have ...same-same happening. There is becoming a mass exit of good people due to very questionable governement hatred for foreigners..... The common Thai people love foreigners, but the government wishes to shift the focus off them and their mistakes ...and blame foreigners for all their wooo's.
Many, many good, hard working and loyal Thai's are recently without employment, or soon to be without employment, factories are closing down, tourism is off by 40%, and foriegners scrambling to sell and cut their looses before the preverble hand wrting on the wall hits harder. AND..that is all fact not embellished. Pattatya Mail today is full of businesses up for sale, (more then triple 3 weeks ago) ....some of which boast good profits, but owners are jumping ship. The manure is hitting the fan just as it did in Haiti 12-15 years ago. .....when will anyone learn from history and stop shooting themsleves in the foot?
Haiti had a reasonably good thing for a while with some tourism, some factories. although admittedly, light years behind Thailand, but they in Haiti drove it all away and now only caose rules. Although, this is years later and a more modern country here in Thailand .....forcing the hand the feeds you (tourists, foreign investment, foriegn businesses and aid workers) to go away, is not the answer......Frankly, it is going to create a huge problem and I believe what we are wittnessing is the start of the downfall of a wonderful, wondeful country with the most caring, gracious and loving people ....and beginning of many years of suffering and heartache for the common Thai ahead.
IF....you do not think this effects you where you live.... remember what Dr. Martin Luther King once said:
"Injustice anywhere, is: Injustice everywhere!!"
If there are any of you wishing to visit Thailand, come now!! (actually, now to December is the best weatherwise and pricewise to tour Thailand) You shall see all the sights, meet the most loving & caring people, spend hopefully 2 days next door touring Angkor Wat only a hours flight away and cheap to visit, plus you can do all in relative peace, but if things continue....as they have been, then in 6 months, or soon there after, you may not wish to visit.
"life is an adventure" ...to which a very dear & loving Missionary reminds me ...so come join the thee excitment, before you look back and wished you had.
[QUOTE=Happy Bigamist] ... Daddy, how long was your dog in quarantine for?[/QUOTE]
Happy,
According to the rules published on the web site of the Royal Thai Consulate General office in Chicago, at the BKK airport animal control desk, I need only produce recent health and vaccination certificates for my dog, signed by a licensed vet here in the US, and he will be released to my custody without the necessity of any quarantine.
Regards,
Daddy
On Sukhumvit there are many selling DVD movies for around 100 Baht {$3 USD} that would cost up to $20 or more in the USA or Canada.
One can buy many of the hottest new releases, some even before they are on sale in North America.
I've heard these are copies. Can anyone verify that, and if they are in English with Thai subtitles?
I was also wondering if these would be considered "pirated" materials and a problem {e.g. illegal} to bring back across the Atlantic.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]...Many, many good, hard working and loyal Thai's are recently without employment, or soon to be without employment, factories are closing down, tourism is off by 40%, and foriegners scrambling to sell and cut their looses before the preverble hand wrting on the wall hits harder.
...
[/QUOTE]Retired Army,
Hmmm ... I would say that at least this part of the report is not really credible. Tourism is NOT down 40 %, the number of arrivals are slighly up from the year before. And hard working Thai people find easily jobs in Thailand, it is worse than ever to find hard working and highly motivated staff.
The growth rate of the second quarter was higher than estimated (4.7 % I think I remember this number, but not sure).
Giotto
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]On Sukhumvit there are many selling DVD movies for around 100 Baht {$3 USD} that would cost up to $20 or more in the USA or Canada.
One can buy many of the hottest new releases, some even before they are on sale in North America.
I've heard these are copies. Can anyone verify that, and if they are in English with Thai subtitles?
I was also wondering if these would be considered "pirated" materials and a problem {e.g. illegal} to bring back across the Atlantic.[/QUOTE]
These are considered pirated and sometimes customs will take them especially if you don't declare them. The quality of the newest releases are very mediocre with some being filmed inside the theatre with a camcorder.
Most of them are in english but you need to read the label. Some are in asian languages with english subtitles. Panthip plaza is a much better option to look for DVD's but again, the newest releases are not copied from a master copy.
I think one cursory glance at the degree to which hotel rates have risen in the past year will dispel the theory that tourism is down substantially in Thailand.
to pinkpearl,
i only can say, from my bad experience that these cd’s are just crap, years ago i bought a few new movie realises and they turned out having bad picture and colour quality, i told myself never again but i bought again a few last february thinking the quality would be better now (the honest shop guy told me so lol) and for those 3€ or 4€ no risk no fun, will see, and they have been even worst than before. tested also the new adobe photoshop cs copy’s, many tools and key’s are missing, it just don’t work.
when entering europe, customs looking specially for this kind of things, they confirep001e them and you get a fine and other shit on top, my advice, don’t buy
john euro
[quote=pinkpearl]on sukhumvit there are many selling dvd movies for around 100 baht {$3 usd} that would cost up to $20 or more in the usa or canada.
one can buy many of the hottest new releases, some even before they are on sale in north america.
i've heard these are copies. can anyone verify that, and if they are in english with thai subtitles?
i was also wondering if these would be considered "pirated" materials and a problem {e.g. illegal} to bring back across the atlantic.[/quote]
i always buy my movies from the same girl in panthip plaza. she tells me which are good copies and which are not. i have been buying from her for over 5 years so i probably get more reliable information then you would from someone on the street.
generally the newer the movie the less likely it is to be good qualtity. if you want good quality in the latest movies you may have to wait a few weeks after its release.
still you always want to ask if the movie is copy from the master or a zoom movie. zoom movies are taken with a video camera in the theater and the quality really sucks. if they say dvd 9, that generally means it is a good copy from a master. most steet vendors will be somewhat honest about it, if you ask nicely. of course if you don't ask, they don't tell.
i have never been stopped or asked about my movies by us customs. i usually put them some place in my bag where they are covered up. if i am buying a lot of movies, i will buy a cd case and sandwich them in there between some blank cd's. i know one guy who did get questioned about them by us customs. they told him as long as he only had a few and they were all different, no problem. they were looking for people bringing in large numbers. but remember, it is illegal and they have every right to confirep001e them if they spot them.
i got stopped at customs with a few cd's, they asked me where i had bought them and after i told them at the video store they lectured me they were copies. i asked how they could tell and the answer was because they were not in jewel cases. i shrugged and said i never take them because they are bulky. i got to keep everything though including the vodka since they are mostly interested in my camera's picture as they must have the idea i'm a ****. i get pulled over everytime at us customs. quite a nuisance. now i just carry the cd's without any packaging which doesn't give away where you got them without screening which takes too much time.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]On Sukhumvit there are many selling DVD movies for around 100 Baht {$3 USD} that would cost up to $20 or more in the USA or Canada.
One can buy many of the hottest new releases, some even before they are on sale in North America.
I've heard these are copies. Can anyone verify that, and if they are in English with Thai subtitles?
I was also wondering if these would be considered "pirated" materials and a problem {e.g. illegal} to bring back across the Atlantic.[/QUOTE]
Definitely illegal or "pirated" material. How else could you explain paying US$3 for something that retails for US$20? On Suk yesterday I bought 7 seasons of South Park (21 discs), Rush Hour 3, and a music CD for 1800 baht. In a legit store in Pattaya I saw the South Park 9 season box set (27 discs) for 4580 baht. Anyway, I just popped the Rush Hour 3 in and it has the picture and sound quality of someone recording with a video camera in a movie theater. The South Park discs look to be copies of the original, which is excellent. With both you can choose subtitles or not and/or which language. I think with older movies or the box sets you get good quality because they are copied from the disc that is already on the market. However, for something brand new they have to make it the bootleg way. The music CD would not register on my computer. It says no disc. However, on a portable CD player and my clock radio it works fine. I have not tried it yet in the car.
As a veteran hobbyist I have been to many of the worlds great locations. However, since I live in the New york area, I keep experiencing this problem when I return from Thailand. Imigration at JFK or Newark always pulls me aside for an "interview."Nothing ever comes out of it, but it is stressful and annoying. This never happens to me when I return from other less infamous locales. Any thoughts? Does it happen to others on this board? How do you deal with it?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Namesty1]As a veteran hobbyist I have been to many of the worlds great locations. However, since I live in the New york area, I keep experiencing this problem when I return from Thailand. Imigration at JFK or Newark always pulls me aside for an "interview."Nothing ever comes out of it, but it is stressful and annoying. This never happens to me when I return from other less infamous locales. Any thoughts? Does it happen to others on this board? How do you deal with it?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
It is their job to protect the borders of the country and collect any duty that may be due. It is only a few minutes of your time. You said nothing ever comes of it, so if you have nothing to hide then why worry? Just grin and bear it. Think of the good time you just had on your trip.
[QUOTE=Thor93]I always buy my movies from the same girl in Panthip Plaza. She tells me which are good copies and which are not. I have been buying from her for over 5 years so I probably get more reliable information then you would from someone on the street.
[/QUOTE]
Do you ever shop in PJ or KL when in Malaysia and patronizing 6-Star (:D)? I've been buying from two shops in PJ for last 4 yrs with incredible success...again same as you, owner gives me straight story re quality, etc. I pay around RM$10-12 per DVD
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Do you ever shop in PJ or KL when in Malaysia and patronizing 6-Star (:D)? I've been buying from two shops in PJ for last 4 yrs with incredible success...again same as you, owner gives me straight story re quality, etc. I pay around RM$10-12 per DVD[/QUOTE]
I have never bought DVD's in KL. Anytime I am in KL, BKK is also on the trip.
Having been burned too many times when I buy elsewhere, I always wait to visit my regular supplier.
[QUOTE=Namesty1]As a veteran hobbyist I have been to many of the worlds great locations. However, since I live in the New york area, I keep experiencing this problem when I return from Thailand. Imigration at JFK or Newark always pulls me aside for an "interview."Nothing ever comes out of it, but it is stressful and annoying. This never happens to me when I return from other less infamous locales. Any thoughts? Does it happen to others on this board? How do you deal with it?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
All of my trips end at either JFK or Newark and I have never had any problems. I do often get asked the purpose of the trip which I always answer by telling them the name of the company I work for. That usually ends the questions and gets me a wave through. It has been years since my bags have been inspected upon arrival.
[QUOTE=Thor93]All of my trips end at either JFK or Newark and I have never had any problems. I do often get asked the purpose of the trip which I always answer by telling them the name of the company I work for. That usually ends the questions and gets me a wave through. It has been years since my bags have been inspected upon arrival.[/QUOTE]
This has been discussed over the years. SFO and a couple of other west coast airports are infamous for checking laptops, hard drives, cameras, etc. - as reported by fellow ISG members.
However, as Thor points out, if you're on business and not 'vacation', immigration knows (remember they ask on the form whether you're on business trip or not), and then of course customs will react accordingly also.
I'm been in/out of states 4-5 times a year for many decades and my only real problem was at the age of 21 when some red neck customs officer hassled me in LA. I might add my usual return ports are also either JFK and Newark.
If you're on business, the checking is perfunctory. If they identify you as single male on holiday, and visiting certain places, they will give you a good looking over.
Anyone know if a Vietnamese National needs anything more than a plane ticket for a week in Thailand? Do they need a Thai visa or permission from the Vietnamese government?
As a thank you I am attaching a pic of a hottie wearing my favorite "fuck me" skirt that I bought for her.
Don't know about Thailand but i had a friend fly from HCMC to Singapore to meet with me for a few days. No problems or need for visa or permission in VN. The girl just needs a passport! and not so many of them have that. Of course, there is the question, why bring a girl to Thailand?.....
Ozirob
[QUOTE=MrMeyers]Anyone know if a Vietnamese National needs anything more than a plane ticket for a week in Thailand? Do they need a Thai visa or permission from the Vietnamese government?
QUOTE]
I do not think there are special requirements.
A friend of mine living in HCMC and having a holiday house in Thai, once brought along his Vietnamese maid (a very cute and good looking gal) together with his Thai wife.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Definitely illegal or "pirated" material. How else could you explain paying US$3 for something that retails for US$20? On Suk yesterday I bought 7 seasons of South Park (21 discs), Rush Hour 3, and a music CD for 1800 baht. In a legit store in Pattaya I saw the South Park 9 season box set (27 discs) for 4580 baht. Anyway, I just popped the Rush Hour 3 in and it has the picture and sound quality of someone recording with a video camera in a movie theater. The South Park discs look to be copies of the original, which is excellent. With both you can choose subtitles or not and/or which language. I think with older movies or the box sets you get good quality because they are copied from the disc that is already on the market. However, for something brand new they have to make it the bootleg way. The music CD would not register on my computer. It says no disc. However, on a portable CD player and my clock radio it works fine. I have not tried it yet in the car.[/QUOTE]
Mr Enternational,
I found something interesting, and maybe someone else can confirm what's happening. The Rush Hour 3 played fine in my hotel room DVD player and looked liked the real deal. Same with another DVD. Back home, these did not play well at all. Other movies looked good in the hotel room and played well back home. Format issue?
AT2
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Mr Enternational,
I found something interesting, and maybe someone else can confirm what's happening. The Rush Hour 3 played fine in my hotel room DVD player and looked liked the real deal. Same with another DVD. Back home, these did not play well at all. Other movies looked good in the hotel room and played well back home. Format issue?
AT2[/QUOTE]
AT2,
Same thing happens to me every so often. You probably have a higher end DVD player that has region specific software attached. If you put it into those cheaper thirty dollar dvd players, most likely they will play.
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2],
The Rush Hour 3 played fine in my hotel room DVD player and looked liked the real deal. Same with another DVD. Back home, these did not play well at all. Other movies looked good in the hotel room and played well back home. Format issue?
AT2[/QUOTE]
Surely something to do with the World Region.
Genuine DVD always carry an icon showing the globe with an overprinted number (1....2....3.....4), even if sometime it is so hard to detect as it is a super small icon:
DVD players bought in your country (one of the world regions) will red only DVD made (= sold) for that specific region.
Very few DVD are marked ALL (regions).
Laptops DVD readers will give you 4 chances to set the world region.
Once you set it for the 4th time, that region will stay locked for ever: no matter if you change the DVD reader device, if you reformat your Hard-disk. No way!
You are married with that region till the laptop breathes.
That is the other side of globalization! Something antitrust agencies should work on.
As a consumer I do not see why in the world of free trade, a free trade market and corporate has to impose such restrictions.
Surely they will start to shout about copyrights etc etc.
But if I buy a legitimate and genuine movie in a DVD in USA (and copyrights paid there), why can't I watch it at home in Europe?
Nevertheless it is all ok if I bring along in any country my own dvd on my own laptop, so where's the point?
Still there are dvd player that can be preset to ALL regions, with some little tricks in the setting when you install the player for the first time. But they just cost 3 to 4 times the cost of a normal reader.
B.
[QUOTE=Ozirob]Don't know about Thailand but i had a friend fly from HCMC to Singapore to meet with me for a few days. No problems or need for visa or permission in VN. The girl just needs a passport! and not so many of them have that. Of course, there is the question, why bring a girl to Thailand?.....
Ozirob[/QUOTE]
Well, if it were that girl in the photo with the "fuck me skirt", I don't think I would have any question about bringing her ANYWHERE.
There are many sites that you can download the latest DVD's for free or for a small membership fee.
Why do you bother buying them and carry them illegally to USA?
Here is one for porno.
[url]http://www.iroke.org/[/url]
There are others for normal movies.
Sorry that I don't share. I don't want them closed. Just do some research.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Well, if it were that girl in the photo with the "fuck me skirt", I don't think I would have any question about bringing her ANYWHERE.[/QUOTE]Actually it is that girl I am taking. I have mongered all over Asia and sometimes it is more fun just to relax and bring a girl along if she is hot and easy to be with.
Thanks guys for your help.
[QUOTE=Bionicman]Surely something to do with the World Region.
Genuine DVD always carry an icon showing the globe with an overprinted number (1....2....3.....4), even if sometime it is so hard to detect as it is a super small icon:
DVD players bought in your country (one of the world regions) will red only DVD made (= sold) for that specific region.
Very few DVD are marked ALL (regions).
Laptops DVD readers will give you 4 chances to set the world region.
Once you set it for the 4th time, that region will stay locked for ever: no matter if you change the DVD reader device, if you reformat your Hard-disk. No way!
You are married with that region till the laptop breathes.
That is the other side of globalization! Something antitrust agencies should work on.
As a consumer I do not see why in the world of free trade, a free trade market and corporate has to impose such restrictions.
Surely they will start to shout about copyrights etc etc.
But if I buy a legitimate and genuine movie in a DVD in USA (and copyrights paid there), why can't I watch it at home in Europe?
Nevertheless it is all ok if I bring along in any country my own dvd on my own laptop, so where's the point?
Still there are dvd player that can be preset to ALL regions, with some little tricks in the setting when you install the player for the first time. But they just cost 3 to 4 times the cost of a normal reader.
B.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.dvdunlocker.com/movies/?afl=19294&aflcampaign=OTHERS[/url]
....and there are many free hacks to get a lot of dvd players region free....just use google
hello,
i'm in bkk now and yesterday in nana plaza i saw a nice and pretty girl who wanted to go with me for long time. she's 18 years old and i'm not sure if could have problems going with her to my hotel due her age.
i had other experience in pattaya when i took a 19 y.o. thai girl going to hotel, reception desk told me only was possible to enter girls from 20 y.o.
can anybody tell me what is the legal age for girl in thailand to avoid problems (**** problemes).
thanks,
[quote=mastorr]
can anybody tell me what is the legal age for girl in thailand to avoid problems (**** problemes).
thanks,[/quote][i]thailand
the age of consent in thailand is 15 (with the below caveat) as specified by article 279 of the thai criminal code. the current legislation applies to both men and women, although it is a common misconception that it applies only to women. [citation needed]
however parts of the prevention and suppression of prostitution act which disallow any sexual contact with prostitutes under the age of 18, are widely interpreted by some local authorities to cover sexual acts classed as "obscenity for personal gratification". also from the penal code amendment act of 1997 section 283bis, having sex with child under 18 is a compoundable offense even with the consent of that person. the parent or the child may file charge against the other side if he or she later regrets his or her own action. this ostensibly makes the thai unfettered age of consent 18.
a high profile example of this application of the law was a statutory [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] charge filed against the lead singer of the thai band big ass for allegedly having had sex with a (then) 16 year old girl. the charge was filed by the girl after the singer refused to take responsibility for her baby. the singer has since been cleared of being the baby's father due to the results of a paternity test and he received 2 years suspended sentence.[8] &[9][/i]
from this site: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ages_of_consent_in_asia[/url]
[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2][url]http://www.dvdunlocker.com/movies/?afl=19294&aflcampaign=OTHERS[/url]
....and there are many free hacks to get a lot of dvd players region free....just use google[/QUOTE]
The DVD Player software on my Mac laptop allows me to open DVDs from any region. So Mac users don't need to worry.
[QUOTE=Bionicman]Surely something to do with the World Region.<cut>[/QUOTE]
That was my first thought, but the DVD's play through and are audible, but appear in black and white. I always thought the Region coding, distorted the picture or would not play at all. The sound also comes through clearly.
AT2
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]That was my first thought, but the DVD's play through and are audible, but appear in black and white. I always thought the Region coding, distorted the picture or would not play at all. The sound also comes through clearly.
AT2[/QUOTE]
The region code simply usuall shows nothing at all on your player or a clear message on your laptop to warn you that the DVD is of a different region code than the one set in your laptop. If you change the setting you use one of the 4 chances..
So your problem might well be a badly produced disc.
I had a legitimate CD that showed completely different titles and songs through the internet check: an encoding mistake made a the factory (or a wrong pairing on the internet archives).
Shit happens!
Write it off in the "bad deals" account!
[QUOTE=mastorr]Hello,
I had other experience in Pattaya when I took a 19 y.o. thai girl going to hotel, reception desk told me only was possible to enter girls from 20 y.o.
Thanks,[/QUOTE]
That's correct.
I experienced something similar with girls not being allowed in some disco if not over 20.
Then you see kids (even below teens, I'd say) hanging around go-go bar areas, selling goods, and surviving the daily challenges of a life in a poor country, at any time of the day and night.
Contradictions of these countries.
An expatriate friend told me once to be careful about thai women:
when they are young (meaning under legal age) they often look old (= doable in "western terms").
And when they are old they look young...(and this is not necessarily a bad thing as they add experience to a nice young look).
[QUOTE=Giotto]Retired Army,
... And hard working Thai people find easily jobs in Thailand, it is worse than ever to find hard working and highly motivated staff.
[/QUOTE]
Giotto,
I wonder how and where you get your so called "infos".
I know a couple of Thais - with and without university diplomas - who are willing to and already did work hard (e.g. double shifts) but can't find a job, or at least none that is paid well. You obviously don't know much about the problems involved with finding a good job and rather prefer to repeat prejudices instead of dealing with this subject in a proper manner.
You would largely increase the motivation of your staff by paying better salaries. How hard would you work for a few thousand baht ?
[QUOTE=Bionicman]The region code simply usuall shows nothing at all on your player or a clear message on your laptop to warn you that the DVD is of a different region code than the one set in your laptop. If you change the setting you use one of the 4 chances..
So your problem might well be a badly produced disc.
I had a legitimate CD that showed completely different titles and songs through the internet check: an encoding mistake made a the factory (or a wrong pairing on the internet archives).
Shit happens!
Write it off in the "bad deals" account![/QUOTE]
Bionicman,
Yeah, something in the production is not quite right. Play perfectly in the DVD player in the hotel and not back home. It would not even fall into the "bad deals" category. Most work fine. Just thought it was interesting.
AT2
A few years ago I was working on a managment project in a, mainly Italian owned factory near Ayuthaya, we thought to motivate the 300 workers " the European way " with given them a nice bonus at the (Thai) new year. (Thai partner told us not to do so? ) and you know what happen, 50% of them did not show up the following week as they did have money enough to survive a bit without working.
The company limousine driver received a big tip from my partner for bringing his, in the car lost wallet and documents back to his hotel (to catch a early flight next morning), and. You guess what happen, he didn’t came back to work the following two weeks as the tip was more than his pay check, Our Thai partners told us that this was the Thai way of thinking about having more money than needed. Or usual Paying more seems to be (here) not always a option as they don’t save it.
The advice for not over tipping to P4P girls must be based on the same experince
J. E.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]You would largely increase the motivation of your staff by paying better salaries. How hard would you work for a few thousand baht ?[/QUOTE]Really? then this shows You obviously don't know much about the problems involved with finding good people in the Tourism industry. Paying higher Salaries than the Market average is Foolish, it will not make people work any harder, it will help you find staff, sure, but they won't be loyal to you and might leave whenever someone will offer them more money.
I am not blaming the people, it is their right to move around, after all, they are in a good position since there are less employees than jobs available.
Some people I know even have to hire Burmese staff because they can't find Thais.
The Couple of persons you refer to are not reflecting the majority at all.
Thanks a lot mates .....
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Giotto,
I wonder how and where you get your so called "infos".
I know a couple of Thais - with and without university diplomas - who are willing to and already did work hard (e.g. double shifts) but can't find a job, or at least none that is paid well. You obviously don't know much about the problems involved with finding a good job and rather prefer to repeat prejudices instead of dealing with this subject in a proper manner.
You would largely increase the motivation of your staff by paying better salaries. How hard would you work for a few thousand baht ?[/QUOTE]
TT
I'd like to know what extensive experience you've had working with Thais, working for Thais and having Thais work for you that allows you to pass judgement on Giotto? I know you've been here a million times, speak the lingo and are expert on many things Thai. But, that's not the same as being here in the day-to-day grind of dealing with these people and their major lack of of a proper work ethic.
So, please enlighten us.
In a few weeks I going to LOS (BKK and Pattaya) for 2 weeks, and I'm looking for any good and cheap electronic store, I like to buy a few lenses for nikon camera.
Any recommendation please?
How is the price in Thailand compared to US prices?
Prices generally lower in USA.
[QUOTE=Noman2]In a few weeks I going to LOS (BKK and Pattaya) for 2 weeks, and I'm looking for any good and cheap electronic store, I like to buy a few lenses for nikon camera.
Any recommendation please?
How is the price in Thailand compared to US prices?[/QUOTE]
Norman2
For sure much cheaper in the US, the VAT that you can recuperate when leaving Thailand is only 4% with the high risk having to pay duty when entering your own country, the risk on VAT to be paid when entering the EEC is between 16% and 21% depending on the country, some even more + maybe a fine etc. Singapore is much better, HKG pricing is ok but a big problem with only one week warranty and uncompleted sets, they don’t open the new box in front of you, when all is paid then they tell you to buy extra the charger and the other items that are normally provide in the box from the factory. A real scam there.
I am a camera / photo maniac and have been checking most shops in BKK several times and it’s not worth to buy there or spend time on it, pocket cameras are sometimes OK in pricing but SLR and lenses like Nikon & Canon are even more expensive than Europe and US pricing is at least 40% cheaper than the Europe prices.
A few good stores if you like :
The best one is in the MBK shopping centre ,on the 3th floor
Sunny Camera , sometimes bargains ,and all good brands ,
Another good and better one at MBK is Photo Thailand (bigger & all brands )
The best one at MBK is Foto File Co. on the first floor ( Canon & Nikon )
Look at there site for pricing , [url]http://www.fotofile.net/index.php?lang=en[/url].
Check at MBK also the 2e hands camera shops if you are interested .
Both have all mayor brands on bags , cards , tripods etc .
For all kind of electronics , Ipods etc go to Pantip Plaza on Petchaburi Rd.
Hope this is helpful for you
Don’t take any risk on warranty etc , buy in the US
John Euro
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Paying higher Salaries than the Market average is Foolish, it will not make people work any harder, it will help you find staff, sure, but they won't be loyal to you and might leave whenever someone will offer them more money.[/QUOTE]
Nic, with all due respect, your quoted sentence reads as nonsense to me. Of course an employee will be temped to leave if somebody offers them more money. In what way is this behaviour any different in Thailand to employee behaviour in any other business in any other country? Or are you suggesting that it's common practice to overpay the locals in Thailand (and outbid the overpayers for their employees, and outbid the outbidders.....)?
Whatever.....the best quality employees will generally work for the best employers as Thailand's economy drags itself kicking and screaming into the 21st century. Or are you suggesting that the only way to keep things progressing is to keep Mr & Mrs Average Thai on third world salaries?
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Nic, with all due respect, your quoted sentence reads as nonsense to me. Of course an employee will be temped to leave if somebody offers them more money. In what way is this behaviour any different in Thailand to employee behaviour in any other business in any other country? Or are you suggesting that it's common practice to overpay the locals in Thailand (and outbid the overpayers for their employees, and outbid the outbidders.....)?
Whatever.....the best quality employees will generally work for the best employers as Thailand's economy drags itself kicking and screaming into the 21st century. Or are you suggesting that the only way to keep things progressing is to keep Mr & Mrs Average Thai on third world salaries?[/QUOTE]
To equate Thai workers with workers elsewhere is foolish to say the least. The amount of salary or the quality of the employer has little to do with the effectiveness of your average Thai worker. The vast majority of Thais are under-achievers and have no real ambition; at least ambition that goes hand-in-hand with hard work to achieve a goal, personal or otherwise. I've never seen such a collective mind-set anywhere wherein, the average person feels a sense of entitlement, without earning it, has no sense of loyalty or responsibility, and generally expects the most for the least effort. Thais will quit a job at the drop of a hat without any reason and are in that regard, the most mobile and fluid workforce I've ever witnessed.
After 11 years of working with these people, I have little respect left for them.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] I've never seen such a collective mind-set anywhere wherein, the average person feels a sense of entitlement, without earning it, has no sense of loyalty or responsibility, and generally expects the most for the least effort. Thais will quit a job at the drop of a hat without any reason and are in that regard, the most mobile and fluid workforce I've ever witnessed.[/QUOTE]
OTH,
I totally agree with you, although thankfully there are the exceptions.
The part of your post that I quoted made me laugh; don't you think it could also describe the value system metrics taught at Harvard Business School?
Cheers,
Sean
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]it's common practice to overpay the locals in Thailand (and outbid the overpayers for their employees, and outbid the outbidders.....)?[/QUOTE]
Yep, especially in areas where it is difficult to find good people (Not Bkk, Chiang Mai adn the other big cities)
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Whatever.....the best quality employees will generally work for the best employers as Thailand's economy drags itself kicking and screaming into the 21st century.[/QUOTE]I agree. But if you assume the best employer is the one that pays the highest Salary, then we may agree to disagree (is that English? LOL)
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Or are you suggesting that the only way to keep things progressing is to keep Mr & Mrs Average Thai on third world salaries?[/QUOTE]I am not suggesting anything, you read too much into what I wrote. Just a question, have you worked in Thailand before? have you ever been in a position where you had to hire a Thai? how many people do you have to manage on a daily basis?
I manage over 50 people on a daily basis and they are all loyal to our company. We pay them the normal Market Salaries for their position, but then they get Bonuses, we treat them well,they have a nice adn friendly working environment, get "Leave of absence" when needed, we invite them for treats (lunches, dinners) on a weekly basis, we have monthly outings (Bowling, Pool, PaintBall, Movies), we help them when they have kids, we have Birthday parties, we help them when they have Family problems, etc...
This is how you can build loyalty and trust with the Thais. I am not saying we are perfect, far from it, but of all the employees who have left us for better paid jobs, a lot asked if they could come back.
My mate (who is with a Big Corporation) pays his staff really well, but then if they don't produce or perform to satisfaction, they get the boot.
Third world country Salaries? compared to what?
John Euro,
Thanx for advice
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Giotto,
I wonder how and where you get your so called "infos".
I know a couple of Thais - with and without university diplomas - who are willing to and already did work hard (e.g. double shifts) but can't find a job, or at least none that is paid well.
...
You would largely increase the motivation of your staff by paying better salaries. How hard would you work for a few thousand baht ?[/QUOTE]The Traveler,
Funny comment, don't really understand it, I did not even use the word "infos" in my report. And how do you know how much we pay our staff, whether we pay "better" or "worse" salaries?
Anyway, I simply wrote about my experiences with hiring staff here in Thailand, which is a permanent process when you run a hotel / restaurant / bar in Bangkok. And to the discussions with customers doing the same for their companies here in Thailand. And with other hotel managers, with which we exchange information, even exchange staff for training pruposes etc. etc. . Nearly everybody I talk to made the same experience.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]...
You obviously don't know much about the problems involved with finding a good job and rather prefer to repeat prejudices instead of dealing with this subject in a proper manner.
...[/QUOTE]LOL, you will never change :) . I am not Thai, and I have a [some] job[s] :). And I don't think that I repeat prejudices when I simply write about my own experiences with hiring staff for my company. It's the reality I am dealing with here on a daily basis.
Giotto
I was planning on posting some general information, but it looks like I jumped into the Fight Club thread by mistake! My bad!
AT2
OTH
What most foreigners don't comprehend is that Thais work as a collective and not as individuals. Most task are done in a team and group consensus is much appreciated. So like Nic Frenchy correctly stated team building like parties etc helps. But only to a point.
I must admit, when people are most happy in my office, I start to worry as its usually indicates that little is accomplished.
Maybe just my experience. JB
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]To equate Thai workers with workers elsewhere is foolish to say the least. The amount of salary or the quality of the employer has little to do with the effectiveness of your average Thai worker. The vast majority of Thais are under-achievers and have no real ambition; at least ambition that goes hand-in-hand with hard work to achieve a goal, personal or otherwise. I've never seen such a collective mind-set anywhere wherein, the average person feels a sense of entitlement, without earning it, has no sense of loyalty or responsibility, and generally expects the most for the least effort. Thais will quit a job at the drop of a hat without any reason and are in that regard, the most mobile and fluid workforce I've ever witnessed.
After 11 years of working with these people, I have little respect left for them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]OTH
What most foreigners don't comprehend is that Thais work as a collective and not as individuals. Most task are done in a team and group consensus is much appreciated. So like Nic Frenchy correctly stated team building like parties etc helps. But only to a point.
I must admit, when people are most happy in my office, I start to worry as its usually indicates that little is accomplished.
Maybe just my experience. JB[/QUOTE]
I completely understand the group dynamic of Thais. But, a lot of that has to do with a lack of individual initiative tempered by the fear of doing something wrong and being singled out and punished. It's better to fuck up as a group than take the heat for something, individually. Thais can't think for themselves even in a group. It's all about pleasing somebody above, never stepping out of line, doing what you're told and certainly never challenging something or someone, even if competely assinine. This begins in the Thai education system where a student risks serious repercussions if he ever thinks for himself, or questions a teacher, especially if he spots a teacher making a mistake, which often happens. Students have been beaten and/or expelled for asking a teacher to explain something further or for pointing out a mistake a teacher has made. An example of this type of repression was the story recently of a student who was disciplined severely for telling his teacher that the English word for รถบรรทุก (rot ban took) could be also be translated as "truck",according to American English, when she insisted that the only acceptable translation was the Brit-English "Lorry".
When talking about Thai workers, I wasn't just talking about underlings, but co-workers and bosses. Thai bosses are among the most incompetent I've ever encountered. Shit truly does float to the top here. My first boss at The Nation (and still there 11 years later) married into his position (his wife is the owner's sister). He was and still is a fucking babbling idiot.
I'm curious what experience you've had working with Thais above you in your office. Or, are you the boss?
OTH
Yes, I am the boss and the master over a small army :-) Over the years we hired and fired quite a number of individuals, the very product of the fine institution you work at. Their skin was a bit whiter, the English a bit better, yet I must admit not all were necessarily smarter.
For years I been asking WHY. Why people can't do this or that... or simply why Thais do things so very different from what I call logic or common sense.
My answer to the why: first of all in the interest of my personal health and mental condition I still teach myself not to look to close.
Then, they are 2 ways to run a business in Thailand (as a foreigner).
1.) be nice to your staff, have parties, let them listen to music at work, create relaxation zones, encourage the easy life and in return pay small salaries and learn to live with max 40% productivity.
2.) be strict, place limited pressure on your staff, reward performance and pay higher salaries and learn to live with 75% productivity.
JB
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I completely understand the group dynamic of Thais. But, a lot of that has to do with a lack of individual initiative tempered by the fear of doing something wrong and being singled out and punished. It's better to fuck up as a group than take the heat for something, individually. Thais can't think for themselves even in a group. It's all about pleasing somebody above, never stepping out of line, doing what you're told and certainly never challenging something or someone, even if competely assinine. This begins in the Thai education system where a student risks serious repercussions if he ever thinks for himself, or questions a teacher, especially if he spots a teacher making a mistake, which often happens. Students have been beaten and/or expelled for asking a teacher to explain something further or for pointing out a mistake a teacher has made. An example of this type of repression was the story recently of a student who was disciplined severely for telling his teacher that the English word for รถบรรทุก (rot ban took) could be also be translated as "truck",according to American English, when she insisted that the only acceptable translation was the Brit-English "Lorry".
When talking about Thai workers, I wasn't just talking about underlings, but co-workers and bosses. Thai bosses are among the most incompetent I've ever encountered. Shit truly does float to the top here. My first boss at The Nation (and still there 11 years later) married into his position (his wife is the owner's sister). He was and still is a fucking babbling idiot.
I'm curious what experience you've had working with Thais above you in your office. Or, are you the boss?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Yep, especially in areas where it is difficult to find good people (Not Bkk, Chiang Mai adn the other big cities)
I agree. But if you assume the best employer is the one that pays the highest Salary, then we may agree to disagree (is that English? LOL)
I am not suggesting anything, you read too much into what I wrote. Just a question, have you worked in Thailand before? have you ever been in a position where you had to hire a Thai? how many people do you have to manage on a daily basis?
I manage over 50 people on a daily basis and they are all loyal to our company. We pay them the normal Market Salaries for their position, but then they get Bonuses, we treat them well,they have a nice adn friendly working environment, get "Leave of absence" when needed, we invite them for treats (lunches, dinners) on a weekly basis, we have monthly outings (Bowling, Pool, PaintBall, Movies), we help them when they have kids, we have Birthday parties, we help them when they have Family problems, etc...
This is how you can build loyalty and trust with the Thais. I am not saying we are perfect, far from it, but of all the employees who have left us for better paid jobs, a lot asked if they could come back.
My mate (who is with a Big Corporation) pays his staff really well, but then if they don't produce or perform to satisfaction, they get the boot.
Third world country Salaries? compared to what?[/QUOTE]
Nic, thanks for your informative reply. Your company clearly operates good management of employees using similar techniques to companies in Western Europe. But I'm still baffled by your original comment about wages and poaching of employees.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]... a lack of individual initiative tempered by the fear of doing something wrong and being singled out and punished. It's better to fuck up as a group than take the heat for something, individually. Thais can't think for themselves even in a group. It's all about pleasing somebody above, never stepping out of line, doing what you're told and certainly never challenging something or someone, even if competely assinine. This begins in the Thai education system . . .[/QUOTE]You could substitute "Japanese" for "Thai" above and still be pretty close to the mark. The cultural similarities are astonishing, and what is especially astonishing to me is the radical difference in outcome. The Thais really are like the Japanese- like lazy Japanese on Prozac (thankfully the Thais don't show so much interest in killing themselves). A bit overly broad, I know, but I wonder what accounts for the most salient differences- I. E. , work ethic and competitiveness- against a fairly similar cultural background (including the strikingly similar synthesis of Buddhism and animism found in both cultures). Could it be the difference in environments? Thailand being quite fertile and forgiving in comparison to the perpetually hostile environment of the Japanese archipelago (earthquakes, volcanoes, typhoons, snowstorms, etc.); it is easy to be lazy in a place where if you drop a seed you get a plant, throw a net get a fish, eat mangoes in the mango season and durian in the durian season, etc. (Of course, back when much of Thailand was covered in jungle it probably wasn't all that gentle a place to live.) Or is that Thailand never experienced an overarching military dictatorship like that of the Tokugawa shogunate, ruling Japan with an iron fist for 200 years, dominating all aspects of politics and economy while ruthlessly suppressing any dissent?
Just thinking out loud here, enjoying the conversation and wanted to try to contribute something.
Not sure how you can compare Thais to Japanese. During a recent Tokyo visit I did not see phone wires hanging in the trees :-)
JB
[QUOTE=Sanook D]You could substitute "Japanese" for "Thai" above and still be pretty close to the mark. The cultural similarities are astonishing, and what is especially astonishing to me is the radical difference in outcome. The Thais really are like the Japanese- like lazy Japanese on Prozac (thankfully the Thais don't show so much interest in killing themselves). A bit overly broad, I know, but I wonder what accounts for the most salient differences- I. E. , work ethic and competitiveness- against a fairly similar cultural background (including the strikingly similar synthesis of Buddhism and animism found in both cultures). Could it be the difference in environments? Thailand being quite fertile and forgiving in comparison to the perpetually hostile environment of the Japanese archipelago (earthquakes, volcanoes, typhoons, snowstorms, etc.); it is easy to be lazy in a place where if you drop a seed you get a plant, throw a net get a fish, eat mangoes in the mango season and durian in the durian season, etc. (Of course, back when much of Thailand was covered in jungle it probably wasn't all that gentle a place to live.) Or is that Thailand never experienced an overarching military dictatorship like that of the Tokugawa shogunate, ruling Japan with an iron fist for 200 years, dominating all aspects of politics and economy while ruthlessly suppressing any dissent?
Just thinking out loud here, enjoying the conversation and wanted to try to contribute something.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Not sure how you can compare Thais to Japanese. During a recent Tokyo visit I did not see phone wires hanging in the trees :-)
JB[/QUOTE]Hahahahaha quite right.
Not really sure where to post this (Sorry Jackson); but this is for all newbies that don't know or can't be bothered to RTFF and whining there is too many posts to read.
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Hey, I'm thinking of taking my first trip to Asia (Thailand) soon. I am ready to do my own research, but I'm just trying to figure out where to start. Can anyone give me their opinion on the 2 top cities in Thailand (and why) so I can go from there? I'm not typically into Asian women, so I'the prefer an area where I can find Asian (or other) girls with some meat on their bones. Not fat, but just nice juicy assess and tits, like the Colombianas and Dominicans I have become so fond of in Latin America! Also, if there is a place in Thailand that has girls from all over the world, that would be great too. Thanks! By the way, I always pay back info provided with great reports. Check out my reports on Bogota and Panama City, Panama!
Rodeo
[QUOTE=Rodeo9112]Hey, I'm thinking of taking my first trip to Asia (Thailand) soon. I am ready to do my own research, but I'm just trying to figure out where to start. Can anyone give me their opinion on the 2 top cities in Thailand (and why) so I can go from there? I'm not typically into Asian women, so I'the prefer an area where I can find Asian (or other) girls with some meat on their bones. Not fat, but just nice juicy assess and tits, like the Colombianas and Dominicans I have become so fond of in Latin America! Also, if there is a place in Thailand that has girls from all over the world, that would be great too. Thanks! By the way, I always pay back info provided with great reports. Check out my reports on Bogota and Panama City, Panama!
Rodeo[/QUOTE]
Rodeo9112,
You may end up disappointed, if you are not into Asian woman and are into the Latin American woman. They are so different, that if you like one type, you may not like the other. I'm the other way around. I love Asian woman and only spend minimal time in Central and South America. I prefer the Asian models! Sleek, shy, but very lovable and loving. LOL!
There are some options, so I hope someone with that expertise can help you out.
AT2
Hi Rodeo,
I have travelled in SE Asia and S. America quite a lot over the last 20 years or so and love them both.
Yes the countries and girls are very different and almost impossible to compare but even within S. America it is allmost impossible to compare Chile with say Brazil or Venezuela!.
Please do not think that ALL Thai girls are very slim with few curves. There are many with “outstanding” figures, either real or silicone so I do not think you will have problems finding ones that meet your specification.
Of course you will not find many blue eyed blondes in Thailand but then again there are now quite a few Eastern European girls working there, mostly to satisfy the Asian punters.
Regarding the best cities for a first visit I would recommend Bangkok and Pattaya. Not that I think that these are necessarily the best cities in Thailand but as a first timer it will give you a good insight into the Thai scene with minimal traveling!
For a relaxing few days Chang Mai and the north can be interesting. Chang Mai is Thailand’s 2nd city but only around 1/40th the size of Bangkok.
My advice is go with an open mind and I will take a bet that you will enjoy Thailand just as much as S. America. I know I do!!
Enjoy,
Hotman.
If you are not prepared to try a different world Thailand will not be good for you.
There is not comparison between Latinas and Thais. If you prefer the only one being that both are having tits and pussies.
Latinas are energetic, enthusiastic, full of fun and they will not only fuck your body but your brains too if they like you.
Thais, as AT2 said, are mostly on the shy side. You have to be initiative but will treat you as an emperor at times. eg getting with you in the bathtub, washing you, giving you a massage and full service afterwards in the soapies.
Something you can not easily get in Latin America.
But they are very clean and have perfect skin and nice & clean saved pussies.
Also not black or blond pussies there unless you hit an eastern European beauty somewhere.
My two centavos amigo.
El Greco
Hey Rodeo,
Saw your post and this and wanted to give you some info since you helped with me with Panama. First off, I've never been to Thai but spent lots of time in HK, KL and Singapore (many Thai's there too). I too am most fond of Colombianas/Venezolanas/Equadorianas. I still think they are the hottest women on the planet -- both physically and performance wise.
But Asians have their own special appeal. If you go to HK or Sing, you will see some absolute Thai hotties. Some of them will be really curvy, full figured and voluptious. Also, two of the best chicks I've ever had were a Vietnamese and a Cambodian. I've heard Pattaya is just a ***** party everywhere, plus you have beach in the daytime.
Now Asian chicks may be more subdued before boning, but if you connect they will go wild in bed and take care of your needs 200%. Just treat em nice and they will more than return the favor. BTW, its really important that you know that Thai's are big into 'preserving face', thus don't embarass a girl in front of other girls or you will miss out big time. Let us know how you make out in Thai! Must get a soapy massage.
Thanks alot guys for not giving me the typical RTFF newbie responses. Great insight and now I have a couple of jumping off points. I may use Thailand as my first trip with one of my buddies. He's Asian and has been trying to explain to me the finer qualities of his women. I'm definitely going, just for the experience, so, we'll see. I'm looking forward to it and thanks again for your help!
Rodeo
The beach is much better over in Jomtien. 10B ride on the bahtbus from the corner of South and Second - if they are going that way - get one that's "going" - the guys sitting there try to stick you for 50
I suppose there are more ways than one to acquire a Thai long-stay non-immigrant type “O-A” retirement visa, but after much thought and consideration, I decided to apply for one in my home country at the Royal Thai Consulate General’s office in Chicago. It’s a good thing I started my planning early because I encountered frustrating bureaucratic problems at every turn. Let me explain:
The Pattaya Expats Club has excellent information and advice about Thai visas on their web site: [url]http://www.pattayaexpatsclub.com/[/url]. They invite inquiries by e-mail, but don’t bother trying because if you have any questions they will not be answered. I discovered that after contacting them several times but receiving no replies. The site suggests that the Thai Consulate in Denver is the most helpful for obtaining visas, but they wouldn’t help me because I don’t reside in Colorado. So I finally ended up on the Chicago web site: [url]http://www.thaichicago.net/[/url] where I found rather cryptic and contradictory information along with downloadable visa forms and applications. They invite questions by e-mail as well but never reply.
So I copied all the instructions, information, and downloaded the forms. First, I needed to fill them out properly with my personal information, including the name of a “sponsor” in Thailand. WTF, I don’t know anyone in Thailand except bar girls and I don’t even know their real names. What to do? Luckily, I remembered the American guy who owned the hotel where I stayed at last time. I e-mailed him and he gave me permission to use his name. I also had to list an address where I would be living in Thailand. Geez, I didn’t know where in the hell that would be and I still don’t know yet. So I just listed that same hotel’s address.
Now I had to go to Wal-Mart and get 3 passport sized photos taken. No problems with that --piece of cake. Next, I had to come up with a notarized certificate from my local police authority to the effect that I have no criminal record. After calls to the county prosecutor’s office, the district court, and finally the state police department, I was told that I would have to come down to the station in person to be fingerprinted and fill out an application to be sent to the state capitol central office for a records search. What a fucking indignity! I’ve never been fingerprinted before. Now I have. I asked the cop how much this would all cost, and he said, “There is no fee.” Gee, that’s nice, I thought.
So I sent the stuff to the state capital, and eight days later it all came back to me, with no certificate, but only a notice that: “There is a $30 fee for this service.” Shit. (They couldn’t have just held it and called me about sending them the money … oh no, they had to send it all back and make me send it to them again just to satisfy their irrational bureaucratic bullshit). So I wrote out the check, stuffed it all back in a new envelope, paid the postage again and sent it off. Eight days later I had my notarized certificate from the director of state police that says I’m not a crook.
Meanwhile, I was also required to come up with another notarized sealed certificate from a medical doctor proclaiming that I’m not afflicted with “elephantitus, third stage syphilis, tuberculosis, or any other disgusting disease.” So I called my family Dr.’s office and the nurse told me to send in the form and he would sign it, have it notarized, sealed, and send it back to me without having to come in for a visit. Gee, that’s nice and convenient, I thought, as I sent him the form. A week later the nurse is on the phone telling me the “Dr. will sign this form but he wants to see me first.” “Oh, come on,” I protested. “He’s been treating me for years, and now he has to see me again just to certify that I don’t have any disgusting diseases?” “I’m afraid so,” she replied, “Sorry I told you different before,” and then she scheduled the appointment two weeks hence. “Dr. will sign it then and you’ll have it before you leave,” she insisted. Shit, I thought. I know why he needs to see me. How else is he going to collect his $70 for an office visit? So two weeks later, I go see my Dr, who pats me on the back, laughs and jokes about my wanting to go to Thailand, takes my blood pressure, and signs the form, which essentially says that I am not a public health hazard to the kingdom of Thailand.. Then he goes to get it notarized and comes back and says: “Guess what? The person who notarizes stuff for me is not here today. It’s her day off. I’ll give it to her to notarized next Monday, and then she’ll send it to you in the mail, OK?” “Yeah, OK,” I said. (Shit!) A week later I had the certificate.
Next, I had to come up with certified copies of my latest brokerage statements together with a notarized and sealed letter of guarantee from the financial institution that I have the required amounts of money in my accounts to qualify for a retirement visa. So I e-mailed my brokerage firm with the request. No reply. I e-mailed them again. No reply. Again, and finally a response advising that “We’ve never done that before and can’t do it.” (Shit!) So, after several desperate calls, they tell me that they can send me copies of my statements but they have no form for a guarantee letter so their attorney advises them not to do it. The Thai Consulate provided no such form either. What to do?
Well, I just drafted my own form. I just made it up to look like an official form from the Thai Consulate complete with blanks to be filled in with all the necessary information, etc., then scanned it and sent it as an e-mail attachment to the brokerage with another request. A week later… Viola!!! They call and tell me they will fill it out, notarize it, seal it and send it to me. Ten days later, I have the documents.
OK. Now I’m finally ready to send my application with all the necessary documentation as well as my passport to the Thai Consulate with the appropriate $50 fee in the form of a money order or certified cashiers bank check. (They don’t take personal checks or credit card orders like most civilized businesses … Oh, no … they are a bureaucracy. And, twice on the web site they said the fee is $50 for this visa). Oh yes, and it must be sent by certified mail, return receipt requested along with a self addressed envelope for the return of the documents to me with all the required pre-paid postage for certified mail. So, I get it all together and take it to the post office. Off it goes. After all that has gone wrong so far I’m mighty queasy about sending my passport away in the mail. I might not ever see it again, and there goes my trip to LOS. This should only take about 10 days, I figured – no more than 5 business days at the Thai Consulate according to the information on the web site plus mailing time.
Two weeks elapse -- nothing in the mail. So I go to usps.com in the Internet to track the letter, and find that it took 6 days for a certified letter just to go the 250 miles to Chicago. Six fucking days!! Oh, well, I thought – It’ll be here any day now. Another week goes by – nothing in the mail. Just as I’m about to call the Consulate, my phone rings, and it’s a secretary at the Thai Consulate. “We have your visa application,” she politely intoned, “however; the fee for this visa is $60.” “But your web site says $50 twice,” I replied. “It’s $60” she said. “OK,” I answered, “If you just hold it there for me, I’ll send you a certified check for $10 immediately tomorrow morning by priority mail. “We can do that,” she said. “Thank you,” says I. (Shit! But at least I know my application has been approved, all is in order, and I’m sure to get the visa now, I thought) So the next day I’m at the post office again, spending another $6.42 to send a $10 check after a visit to my bank make sure it is certified. Five days later – 28 day after sending for it -- I finally have my visa.
Now, I suppose I could have just shown up in Thailand with no visa at all on a 30 day entry permit, and applied for a long stay visa in Pattaya. That was one option. But then I would have been required to show the immigration officer a return airline ticket within 30 days and I would not have had that. I might have been denied entry into Thailand right then and there at the airport, and I was not about to take that risk. I would also have to show immigration that I had sufficient money in the bank in Thailand for at least three months, and I could not do that either. So my application in Thailand might have been denied. What then? Perhaps I could have applied for a simple 60 day tourist visa in the US, and then changed it to a long stay visa in Pattaya. So many choices. So much red tape. So much to think worry about. So many potential problems and pitfalls. That’s government for you. There here to help us they always say.
But now at least I have the peace of mind to know that I can go to Thailand in just 3 more weeks and stay as long as I like. It’s been a long and painful odyssey. Sure hope my experience will save some of you guys some of the same trouble. Now I simply need to relax. I need some pussy. I’m sure it will all be worth it.
Regards,
Daddy
[QUOTE=Msands]<cut>
Now Asian chicks may be more subdued before boning, but if you connect they will go wild in bed and take care of your needs 200%. Just treat em nice and they will more than return the favor. BTW, its really important that you know that Thai's are big into 'preserving face', thus don't embarass a girl in front of other girls or you will miss out big time. Let us know how you make out in Thai! Must get a soapy massage.[/QUOTE]
I always hear Asians and the concept of "losing face" brought up as a Golden rule. In my experience, "losing face" is a universal concept. I see it applied in Japan, China, Thailand and Korea and I also see it applied in the U.S., Europe and South America. Have you seen anyone anywhere who enjoyed losing face? How about your bosses, loved one's, business associates, and friends?
I understand these concepts get passed on from person to person and they become some unwritten rule, but most often, I find people are people. We all have pride, we all love sex and we all love money. At least to some degree. Keep an open mind where ever you go, treat people like individuals and not a stereotype, and you will have a good time and make new friends.
AT2
at2
feel the need to comment here. yes no one likes to be embarrassed, particularly not in front of others.
however, i found thai's tend to interpret the loss of face however it fits their current agenda. not sure how long you 've been in thailand, but you will find that lower class thai's in particular, are thick as wood when it comes to emotional intelligence.
yes, all nice enough people, but by god, when they are upset, i.e. the no speech treatment, it may take month for them to somewhat return to 'normal'.
also need to be careful. at times these type of people make it their mission, as a response, to hurt you bad. newspapers are full of documented crime of passion.
i've given up long ago to ask the big 'why'. it's part of thai character so best is to try to avoid any confrontation.
jb
[quote=asiatraveler2]i always hear asians and the concept of "losing face" brought up as a golden rule. in my experience, "losing face" is a universal concept. i see it applied in japan, china, thailand and korea and i also see it applied in the u.s., europe and south america. have you seen anyone anywhere who enjoyed losing face? how about your bosses, loved one's, business associates, and friends?
i understand these concepts get passed on from person to person and they become some unwritten rule, but most often, i find people are people. we all have pride, we all love sex and we all love money. at least to some degree. keep an open mind where ever you go, treat people like individuals and not a stereotype, and you will have a good time and make new friends.
at2[/quote]
[quote=jungle bluebird]yes, all nice enough people, but by god, when they are upset, i.e. the no speech treatment, it may take month for them to somewhat return to 'normal'.
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lol! i have seen the "no speech treatment" by many people and all races, and for longer than a month. i do understand that everyone's experiences are different. we can also look at the same event and have very different interpretations, since bias/perception affects what we see. i don't think it's good to put anyone of any race, in a position where they lose face. so it's really a non issue for me.
appreciate the comment.
thanks!
at2
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Not sure how you can compare Thais to Japanese. During a recent Tokyo visit I did not see phone wires hanging in the trees :-)
JB[/QUOTE]
Oddly enought, when visiting Bangkok for the first time (after many years of Japan) one of the first things that occured to me was "OMG, they seem to have got their utility wire laying techniques from the Japanese", i.e. string it all (telecoms, power) up on a pole and hope it doesn't fall down.
Thailand reminded me of what Japan might have been like if, after WWII, they'd said "screw the high-intensity economic growth, let's sit back and party!".
Losing face! I have spent many years traveling in China, and because I'm Chinese maybe I'm just more aware of the what it takes for a Chinese to lose face. Being married and living in Thailand it is a whole new ballgame for me! From my experience so far I think the Thai's are more sensitive and it doesn't seem to take much for them to lose face. One slip of the tongue and I find myself sleeping on the crouch or getting the silent treatment for a hour.
Concerning friends of my wife one moment they seem to be friends the next thing no one is speaking! but no one let's me in on the matter! next thing I know I'm getting a tongue full of heat for talking to that person!
It's hard but have pretty of time to learn!
LBM
Hello,
Once I did order some vegetarian food in a non vegetarian restaurant but I just pointed at the items I would like to eat. Some Thai food looks a little strange to me and after eating I realized I have been eating some chicken instead of a new vegetable. I did eat here many times and the waitress has allways been friendly. This time when paying I did make a complaint and told her that working in a restaurant where 80 % is tourist you should at least understand them and I allways will ask for a kind of confirmation to be sure. Probably the old lady standing next to her was her boss. WOW she loses her Thai smile every time I even come close. Maybe this year she wil not recognise me when I stay in the hotel next door and will walk inside for a meal. Thai people do expect us to understand and respect their culture but the other way round they don't seem to have a clue. BUT all of us complaining will still try to return there every year so it has to okay taking everything in consideration.
LittleBigMan-
It will be interesting to see how your views form over time here. Your understanding of face in China is going to be useful, but I think that Thais complain about loss of face when in fact it is a maturity issue. Here, people react to some things like children, often with devastating results. The way that Thais deal with conflict (ignore, ignore, ignore, EXPLODE!) is a maturity issue - not a face issue.
There is a real issue in Thailand regarding IQ and EQ (emotional maturity). As an educator, I see some of the incoming test scores from all over the country. The level of emotional maturity among Thai people generally is very low compared to many other Asian groups as well as the west.
IQs (and you can say what you want about the validity of IQ tests) are very low. Fifteen year old Thai students have average IQ scores of between 12 and 17 points lower than kids in the west. This is not an issue in China.
Look forward to hearing your comments as you settle into a marriage with a Thai and good luck!
Will be in SE Asia for 3 months starting some time in November. Will be in Pattaya and Phuket part of time. Does any one know good oral surgeon for Branemark System teeth implants? Also need a basil cancer spot removed from cheek. Any one know a good surgeon. Your assistance and suggestions would be appreciated. You can send a PM if you prefere.
Biz99,
I believe what you are saying about IQ and EQ, most of the Thai's, which are my wife friends are in their 30's, and I will make a assumption that they have limited education like my wife which comes from the country so they are somewhat linked. Being somewhat of a joker and a tester of people feelings and reaction I get myself in real hot water at times but they let it go because they know I'm a farang and forget. I truly have to watch myself with Thai's but they seems to be overly sensitive to little things that as you say might be childish to us.
Thanks, LBM
Brothers,
Which country do you think offers the best combination of scuba diving and pussy? Thailand? Philippines? Indonesia? Elsewhere?
Interesting thought to combine both, screwing and diving.
Friends of mine once rented an entire live aboard cruise and brought their Thai sweet heart entourage along. Surface intervals were sweetened by massage. Evening parties were a riot.
But hey, you know what they say...: no sea to rough, no muff to tough :-)
JB
[QUOTE=Intransit]Brothers,
Which country do you think offers the best combination of scuba diving and pussy? Thailand? Philippines? Indonesia? Elsewhere?[/QUOTE]
RetirerForever,
Since you will be in Pattaya, I believe from what you described that would fit both of your needs is the Pattaya/Bangkok " The International Hospital " Try to contact them on this website.. [url]www.pattayahospital.com[/url] E-mail [email]inquiry@bgh.co.th[/email]
Good Luck,
Even my GF, who is a very modern girl, was somewhat disgusted by the latest fad.
Its all the rage in the News that gangs of Thai Schoolgirls have taken to wearing no knickers under their skirts (probably idea lifted from Japan).
Apparently the knickers, spoil the appearance of the skirt (when viewed from the outside).
Of course while being carried on a motorbike these skirts may be prone to ride up.
Whats more, is boring to have black pubic hair ("moi") so this can be dyed various colours for better fashion.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Even my GF, who is a very modern girl, was somewhat disgusted by the latest fad.
Its all the rage in the News that gangs of Thai Schoolgirls have taken to wearing no knickers under their skirts (probably idea lifted from Japan).
Apparently the knickers, spoil the appearance of the skirt (when viewed from the outside).
Of course while being carried on a motorbike these skirts may be prone to ride up.
Whats more, is boring to have black pubic hair ("moi") so this can be dyed various colours for better fashion.[/QUOTE]
this is one fad I can get behind
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]RetirerForever,
Since you will be in Pattaya, I believe from what you described that would fit both of your needs is the Pattaya/Bangkok " The International Hospital " Try to contact them on this website.. [url]www.pattayahospital.com[/url] E-mail [email]inquiry@bgh.co.th[/email]
Good Luck,[/QUOTE]You better stay away from the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital. It overcharges in comparison to other private hospitals (also in my own experience) and has an extremely bad reputation with the foreign community. THey pay the local ambulance services bribes so that accident victims and others are delivered to them exclusively. Then an administrator determines if the catch is profitable enough and only if so, you will receive treatment. For such reasons they have sent a severely insured local teacher away to a hospital in chonburi alleging that they had not the right blood type on hold and that it was easier to take the man out of intensive care, put him in an ambulance and ship him off. The man died.
The hospital even acknowledge in writing their police and basically warned all foreigners to register in order to avoid same handling by them.
The stories about that place are man. At the moment, the hospital is engaged in a concerted campaign with advertisements on pattaya beach, in malls, and with private practitioners. Moreover, the hospital enjoys enough leverage with various forums to censor any critical publicity. It also helps that one old fart , Dr. Ian, works with Pattaya Mail TV. So dont expect too much coverage from the local news outlets.
In short, they are the local non-health mafia.
You might like to try the hospital in Si Racha some 30 kilometers north that enjoys an excellent reputation.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]RetirerForever,
Since you will be in Pattaya, I believe from what you described that would fit both of your needs is the Pattaya/Bangkok " The International Hospital " Try to contact them on this website.. [url]www.pattayahospital.com[/url] E-mail [email]inquiry@bgh.co.th[/email]
Good Luck,[/QUOTE]You better stay away from the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital. It overcharges in comparison to other private hospitals (also in my own experience) and has an extremely bad reputation with the foreign community. THey pay the local ambulance services bribes so that accident victims and others are delivered to them exclusively. Then an administrator determines if the catch is profitable enough and only if so, you will receive treatment. For such reasons they have sent a severely insured local teacher away to a hospital in chonburi alleging that they had not the right blood type on hold and that it was easier to take the man out of intensive care, put him in an ambulance and ship him off. The man died.
The hospital even acknowledge in writing their police and basically warned all foreigners to register in order to avoid same handling by them.
The stories about that place are man. At the moment, the hospital is engaged in a concerted campaign with advertisements on pattaya beach, in malls, and with private practitioners. Moreover, the hospital enjoys enough leverage with various forums to censor any critical publicity. It also helps that one old fart , Dr. Ian, works with Pattaya Mail TV. So dont expect too much coverage from the local news outlets.
In short, they are the local non-health mafia.
You might like to try the hospital in Si Racha some 30 kilometers north that enjoys an excellent reputation.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Even my GF, who is a very modern girl, was somewhat disgusted by the latest fad.
Its all the rage in the News that gangs of Thai Schoolgirls have taken to wearing no knickers under their skirts (probably idea lifted from Japan).
Apparently the knickers, spoil the appearance of the skirt (when viewed from the outside).
Of course while being carried on a motorbike these skirts may be prone to ride up.
Whats more, is boring to have black pubic hair ("moi") so this can be dyed various colours for better fashion.[/QUOTE]
Sorry. But this is old news. I have mentioned it in the past quite often. Thongs, or nothing at all have been increasingly apparent for years because the skirts are get shorter and shorter and tighter and tighter (the current trend for uni skirts is a mere 22 cm or about 8 3/4 inches). Students have told me that they don't want "VPL", visible pantyline. This trend has trickled down to high school girls as well, even though they wear quite loose skirts.
I can't tell you how often I've been flashed in class. It's an occupational hazzard. ;)
Hey! it's my 1,000th post. Good that it's about something near and dear to my heart. Enjoy the pic.
thaifun,
i'm not pushing pattaya/bangkok hospital and your story concerning the american teacher that was hit by a speeding trucker and left to die and then taken to the pattaya/bangkok and then ship to chon buri and die on the way has been well discussed in the farang community.
nevertheless, regardless of the politics this hospital is top notch from my experience. it's unforturnate that it's become big business! the hospital has grown and somebody got to pay for all the improvements! i don't have insurance but i use it regularly outpatient and i know if you have insurance they suggest all kinds of test and try to keep you overnight.
yes, if you have time sri racha is a great hospital so is the one in sattahip which both are much cheaper. if you have time shop around but if you don't i still sugguest pattaya/bangkok.
lbm
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Thaifun,
Nevertheless, regardless of the politics this hospital is top notch from my experience. It's unforturnate that it's become big business! The hospital has grown and somebody got to pay for all the improvements!
LBM[/QUOTE]
I have no complaints about the treatment, etc, but as you say it is now big business and it is primarily the farangs who have to pay for the improvements.
Ever since they opened 13/14 years ago (maybe more) the farangs were always charged more. Now when you go, there are tables full of fresh fruit, plus tea coffee and ovaltine.. This is invariably consumed by all the extended Thai families who accompany a Thai patient, and who pay a cheaper treatment fee. Farangs are just happy to see a doctor and get out quickly.
Sure we need good doctors, but we don't need a hospital to resemble a 5star deluxe hotel, charging farangs 5 star prices. Look at how the room prices have more than doubled! Nursing fees are 50% more for farangs than for Thais. My luk kroung daughter (Thai citizen) queried this with them a few years ago, and upon presentaton of her ID card immediately had the charge reduced.
There are enough farangs in the Pattaya area who need good medical treatment that they should stage a peaceful protest in the hospital, to get changes made.
I gave up going there a long time ago. Fortunately I now live out in Isan, where I can see a good doctor for 40bt as against 500bt at the Bangkok Pattaya, plus of course the additional fee for just being there.
Take a look at the financial results of the Bangkok hospital group. You will see that of the dozen or so hospitals in the group, Bangkok Pattaya contribute over 80% of the group profit - read Farangs contribute over 80%..................!!!
I have been told that some doctors have left because they are embarrassed at the overcharging of farangs!
GIVE BANGKOK-PATTAYA A WIDE BERTH! GIVE YOUR HEALTH PROBLEMS OVER TO SATTAHIP OR SR RACHA!
[QUOTE=Bumholes1] ... GIVE BANGKOK-PATTAYA A WIDE BERTH! GIVE YOUR HEALTH PROBLEMS OVER TO SATTAHIP OR SR RACHA![/QUOTE]
Thanks for the advice. I thought that my dental care at Bangkog Pattaya was excellent and very reasonable in price, but I would not be too happy to learn that Thais would be charged half of what I paid.
I also received good outpatient service at the Pattaya hospital located on Soi 4, and am wondering what your opinion is about that place.
Regards,
Daddy
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Everything everyone is saying about Pattaya Bangkok is 100 plus percent correct! But when you are in a emergency situation do you think about price or about your health. As noted I don't have insurance coverage in the U.S. and in Thailand I have now insurance for accident and limited for overnight stay and pay out of pocket for Medical visit outpatient. Anything major which time is not a factor I surely will go to Sattahip or Sirracha since it has been discussed that the doctors are same.
Recently, my wife and I took my son to the Pattaya/Bangkok to have a check up and the price was less than 50.00 bucks now I'm not sure being Asian and looking and dressing somewhat Thai has to do with it but I usually don't say shit and let my wife handle everything!
Your right, I will not debate with your opinions since they are correct but there is a balance that one has to take for every given situation.
LBM
9-30-07 11:41:20
BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) - A bomb exploded outside army headquarters in the Thai capital on Sunday night, injuring two police officers, authorities said.
The officers had been alerted that someone planted a suspicious package in a phone booth near the army compound, Police Col. Saranyu Prathumraj said. As the officers were attempting to diffuse the device, it went off and injured them, Saranyu said.
No one claimed responsibility for the bomb which exploded a day before Gen. Anupong Paochinda was set to replace outgoing army chief and coup leader Gen. Sonthi Boonyaratglin.
While the motive remained unclear, Thailand has been rocked by both political instability following a military coup in September 2006 which ousted Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, and a bloody Muslim insurgency in its southernmost provinces.
Nine bombs exploded in the Thai capital on New Year's Eve, killing three people and wounding more than 40. Authorities have yet to unravel the motives behind the attacks or arrest the perpetrators but it is generally believed that politics rather than the insurgency were responsible for the bombings.
The military-installed government also has said that followers of the exiled ex-prime minister are trying to create an atmosphere of instability in the country which could facilitate his return to power.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press.
Daddy,
The Pattaya International Hospital is OK in my experience, I only get check ups there. I save as a rule some 30-40% on identical service if compared with the Bangkok Pattaya pricing. Sure the setting is not that flush but the International Hospital is much more convenient if you're in Pattaya. So as a rule of the thumb it is the International. For anything more serious say involving surgery etc. I definitely would use the hospital in Si Racha where all facilities are available (and again about 25-35 % below the Bangkok Pattaya rates for IDENTICAL service).
So it is a pretty upfront situation. If you have to stay at the hospital etc. You easily look at savings well over 1000 US or Euros.
Now that the Canadian dollar is worth more than the American dollar, which currency is the best option 2 use while in Thailand?
My trip isn't till January, but what is the exchange per $100 bill
33-1 for a US$?
33. 1-1 for the CDN$?
Does anyone have a guess if the thai bhat is getting stronger or weaker versus other currencies?
[QUOTE=Member #3200]Now that the Canadian dollar is worth more than the American dollar, which currency is the best option 2 use while in Thailand?
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You will still get a better rate with the U.S. Dollar since rthe Canadian Dollar is not considered a major currency. Sorry, nothing against Canada, but that's just the way it is.
If you bring $100 bills make sure they are the new style of bills. Many exchange places won't take the older style because of counterfitting. You will probably do just as well using your ATM.
Here a story from Stickman Bangkok, interesting to learn how things work here in Thailand, and to avoid problems.
Giotto
He Says, She Says
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There are a few things that guys in Thailand should learn fairly fast. Don’t touch girls under the age of 18. If you get yourself in trouble, take the very first opportunity to pay your way out of it. And if you do have to deal with a problem, deal with it yourself, or pay those who help you deal with it.
Today’s epistle looks at a young American who ignored all of the rules...
There once was a young American English teacher plying his trade in Bangkok. He had discovered Thailand, and was enjoying all that it had to offer, availing himself of its many pleasures. Life couldn’t be better. He had secured a job teaching in a pleasant neighbourhood, well away from the madness of downtown Bangkok. And he shared a nice apartment with an American pal of his, also a teacher.
Not bad in the looks department, he had a steady stream of genuinely attractive women pass through his apartment. He had discovered the trick to meeting regular Thai women, and the women who shared his bed were the sort that most guys dream about. Young, nubile and not in it for the money.
He wasn’t looking for a steady girlfriend and he led a number of girls on. Knowing that girls often "give sex", in the hope of "getting love", he played the game well, from his viewpoint, but once the girls realised that he was only interested in them in the bedroom, they soon moved on.
In fact he wasn’t always described as the nicest guy in the world with women, making them pay their way, even if they were just catching a movie, or a light meal. Romantic evenings out and small gifts, the sort of things that Thai women absolutely lap up, were not in his armoury.
Over time he developed something of a reputation. The staff in his apartment got so sick of him bringing in so many different women and later seeing them walk out of his apartment almost in tears that they would gossip about him at a volume for all to hear when he brought a new one back. Their comments included such favourites as “Oh, that’s the third this week”, or the one that put more than a few girls off, “What sort of girls is he picking up and just where did he find them?” - inferring that they were money women. They weren’t, but they soon got the picture about his exploits!
He did have one girlfriend, sort of on and off for a while, but he slept around on her constantly, and apparently the poor, innocent thing never caught on.
So one day, our hero takes a swim in the swimming pool at his apartment building. He notices a new member of staff, a young lady. Perhaps it was her exotic Isaan look, or perhaps it was the uniform, but our hero decides that he wants to kiss her. He approaches her, says hello, takes her hand and kisses her! She squeals and gives an awkward smile, exactly as you would expect a Thai woman to. But this is a Thai smile, not a Western smile. A western smile conveys content, happiness or pleasure, but the Thai smile can convey any of a thousand meanings, and in this instance it was one of great discomfort.
Our hero thinks he has charmed another local maiden and goes in for a swim. When he comes out of the pool, he approaches the little lady, and he grabs her hand. Now this is where things get interesting...
Already scared from his brazen exploit of kissing her - which would have many Thais aghast - she runs downstairs to the main security desk on the ground floor where she tells the shift supervisor that he had tried to pull her hand down on to his crotch.
This is a serious complaint. The girl is just 16, and for a man to attempt to touch a 16 year old girl is an offence, a very serious offence.
Security approaches our hero and state that what he did was wrong. He asks just what the alleged problem is and they explain that he had tried to force the girl to put her hand on his you-know-what. He denies the claim saying that that was not what he had done. He claims that he was just being friendly.
Nice guy. He has a girlfriend but he seems to have momentarily deleted her from his mind. Not a first.
Security explains that he cannot behave like this and he must pay the girl in question 5,000 baht in compensation.
His response is not unexpected and he erupts, refuses and tells security to get lost.
The police are called and a complaint is made.
Now our hero has a real problem. Sexual contact with a woman aged between 15 and 18 is only allowed in Thailand with the consent of her parents. (That many Westerners believe that sexual contact is allowed with someone of this age in the absence of a commercial transaction is absolutely wrong!)
It is now a case of he says, she says. She claims that he made an unwanted sexual advance towards her in a public place including sexual assault and he claims that he was just being friendly.
While it is impossible to know just what happened, my feeling is that the girl exaggerated the story and I'll tell you why. This guy may have been a bit of a sleaze, but he didn't care for women from Isaan. Dark skin was not his thing. Added to that, the security girl was said to not set the world alight in the looks department.
But this is Thailand and the guy is now in serious trouble. He doesn’t know what to do, so he goes and calls his (sic) girlfriend. He explains the situation to her and somehow she accepts what has happened and offers to help. She calls a lawyer friend of hers and they discuss the problem.
Our hero is summoned to appear at the police station where the police will establish what has happened and what, if any, charges will be laid (or monies paid!). The 16 year old girl gets in contact with her family up in Isaan and they sign a declaration stating that they absolutely did not give permission for our hero to have any sexual contact with their daughter.
Our hero's girlfriend has all the contact with the police and after consulting with her lawyer friend, she explains to our hero that he now must pay 20,000 baht compensation to the girl. He goes berserk, screaming and yelling that he did no wrong.
It is then put to him that failure to pay will result in charges being laid and the case going to court. The expected outcome would be compensation for the girl in the range of 30,000 baht, and a jail stint of up to 10 years.
Facing such a predicament our hero finally does the right thing and says he will pay the 20,000 baht. He is then told that he will also have to leave the apartment building and stay away from the girl, to which he agrees. He gives the ok, and the 20,000 baht is paid by his girlfriend on his behalf.
He later moves out of the apartment building, dumps his girlfriend and doesn’t pay his long suffering girlfriend back!
He might have been hard done by with the security girl seizing the opportunity to make some cash, but he was out of line in the first place. Flirting with a young Thai woman in a public place - and kissing her - was just plain dumb. Given the chance to smooth the situation over easily, he declined. He then gets his poor girlfriend to help him out and doesn’t pay her back.
Is it any wonder Westerners in Thailand have such a bad rap when the locals see this sort of carry on?
This story represents a few of the very basic rules that Westerners should learn about life in Thailand. Keep your grubby mitts off young girls.
If you have a chance to pay your way out of a situation where you are genuinely at fault, or the cost of prolonging it might be almost unbearable, take it at the first opportunity.
And always remember, the security guards at your apartment see everything! And if they see things they don't like, they might just say something.
These are the real basics of living in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Giotto].......................
These are the real basics of living in Thailand.[/QUOTE]
No G, these are the basics of living in any country which are not Westernized. The farang was just lucky he did not get thrashed up or even worse, get killed.
Farangs, listen up. Lip locking is a no-no in an South or South East Asian countries, unless you do it with prior consent and that too in private. (exceptions are always there but is a very minute percentage.)
Just recall the brouhaha that Richard Gere caused when he kissed a starlet in India, a few month ago.
The story reminds me of some mongers on this board.
About the story from Stickman Bangkok, it rings true for me in at least one respect: Traditional Thai girls are not into public displays of affection, not even from their boyfriends or husbands, let alone strangers. Friend of mine has been married to a Thai girl (not a BG) for 9 years now. I had not yet been to Thailand when I saw them together for the first time. They had been married about 5 years at the time, but there wasn't a single touch of affection between them though they talked easily and smiled. So I asked my friend in private if there was a problem between them and they were being nice for company, he said no, don't worry, that's how Thai girls are in public and he had no problem with her in the bedroom. A vital lesson in Thai culture...
There's 1st the horror stories of being ripped off/shortchanged when taking money out of a thai ATM & 2ndly, the services charges for using a debit card are a ballbusting joke, it's all about stretching your dollar to the maximum.
It boggles my mind the services charges banks charge & as a cheap charlie, I find it foolish for anyone 2 use their ATM card, but 2 each their own.
If the canadian dollar is such a minor currency then why is it now worth more than the US dollar & every online exchange website the canadian dollar is listed as 1 of the top 10-20 currencies listed.
All I want 2 know was the current exchange given at the 1000s of exchange booths in BKK & Pattaya based on the exchanging of a US or CDN $100 bill, just looking 4 a guideline/help when I come back in January
As well as coming in January, I hope 2 make a quick 10 day trip in April, does anyone know when Songkran is in 2008?
Thank you
Hello everybody,
Does anyone know if and where there is any action to be found in Krabi?
ATM's are probably the best way to get cash. In all my seven trips to Thailand over the past several years I have never been short changed by an Thai ATM.
I also have a US based no fee ATM card and have never charged a fee for using an ATM in Thailand or Europe or anywhere. If the ATM does charge a fee the fees are rebated back to my account.
As far as exchange rates my ATM card charges no foreign currency exchange fees or percentages. I get spot on the interbank rate and the exchange rate. I've never been able to get a better rate using cash.
The fact that the Canadian exchange rate is more than the US dollar has nothing to do with anything. It's still a minor currency on world markets. When Oil is traded in Canadian dollars that would signify it's becomre a major currency.
[QUOTE=Member #3200]There's 1st the horror stories of being ripped off/shortchanged when taking money out of a thai ATM & 2ndly, the services charges for using a debit card are a ballbusting joke, it's all about stretching your dollar to the maximum.
It boggles my mind the services charges banks charge & as a cheap charlie, I find it foolish for anyone 2 use their ATM card, but 2 each their own.
[/QUOTE]
Mr. Hoffy
Care to give us the name of your bank in the U.S. because I haven't found one yet that doesn't find a way to charge you in some form!
LBM
the thing about ATMs is that the rate is the "real" international rate. Whether they charge you an "fee" or not it based in how they calculate the exchange - I use a credit union and they do a 1% charge for the service - now what happens when you use a CREDIT card is that the charges are about 2% plus whatever the card company gets as a "fee" - seems to be about 1% - so 3% (then there's the little matter of what the MERCHANT charges YOU - usually 3% MORE so you wind up paying 6% or so) IF oyu have a debit card, oyu can make a "point of sale withdrawal (same as an ATM withdrawal) from the BANK directly (go in, take passport, sign papers, get money - no additional 3%) just remember that little way to save a few $$
I think that "Capitol 1" was offering the "no additional fee" cards but I'm not sure
I'll be using my ATM card from Bangkok Bank for getting cash and hopefully it will also be like a debit card for purchases and paying bills. Does anyone know if I'll be charged a fee everytime I use it at an ATM machine, and if so, how much? If that happens, I won't like it.
Daddy
[QUOTE=Dinghy]
I think that "Capitol 1" was offering the "no additional fee" cards but I'm not sure[/QUOTE]
Capital One Visa does not charge any fees.
Daddy07
Banks in Thailand have never charged me yet for using their ATMs. Usually it has been Siam Bank's ATMs that I have used. However, I have used a few others but they haven't charged either. However, your bank in your home country may have a charge. Check with them before you use.
[QUOTE=Duniawala]Capital One Visa does not charge any fees.
Daddy07
Banks in Thailand have never charged me yet for using their ATMs. Usually it has been Siam Bank's ATMs that I have used. However, I have used a few others but they haven't charged either. However, your bank in your home country may have a charge. Check with them before you use.[/QUOTE]
Duni,
All my money for that ATM card is already in Bangkok Bank so there shouldn't be any charges then.
Thanks, Daddy
Here's the scoop on using ATMs.
You get a better rate that the money changers, but you usually have to pay a fee of 1 to 3% to the bank. So everything being equal it all works out about the same. ATMs are just easier and more convenient.
I have used ATMs in Thailand hundreds of times. Only once did I have a problem and when I called the bank they took care of the problem within a couple of days with absolutely no arguement.
RA
just a brief and single post from an old asia hand regarding trends, ongoings and a warning.
i'll not reply nor engage other isg folks as a 30+ year resident vetran of the night scene in asia and especially thailand i've nothing to prove. a few credentials. i've been very lucky as my vantage point of being a very highly paid european executive and entreuprener has allowed me to experience asia's nightlife without regard to financial concerns. i've married several times into both high and lo so as it's called here on isg and am fluent in several asia languages. i've lived in the pricey penthouses as well as "thai style" in thai neighborhoods. indeed most of my experience comes from living amongst the working girls not from the gilded/shielded elite housing. having kept a diary, i stopped counting "encounters" after several thousand. and sorry i can never share pictures.
the good.
thailand and other parts of asia still offer a counter balance to the unchecked feministic power in the west. many men beaten down by the west's preferential treatment of women can still come here and get a new perspective on relationships the old asian way. what so many never understand (or forget) is asia is still all about "face". a facet of which means most of what you see hear and enjoy is for fun, enjoyment, but mostly money.
as an old fart, well into my fifties, fat and bald, i can still walk into any bar and walk out with the best on offer much to the chagrin of the young turks. i continue to have poor and even middle class thai's offer me their daughter for marriage. in their eyes a well respected wealthy foreigner is much prefered to her running off with the local motorcycle taxi casanova. sorry i will not share how.
nana, patpong, soi cowboy and their sprawl continue to evolve and segment as they mature. nana is going japanese and transexual as prices have sky rocketed (drinks 4-5x in the last 6-7 years) and the number of katoeys achieves parity with the "sow's" or girls. patpong is fighting back with lower bar fines, drinks prices but continues to lose market share. soi cowboy, the longtime favorite of the expat community seems to still offer the best value of lots of skin and cheap drinks. the economics of the bars will continue to drive the girls onto the streets and free-lance arenas.
pattaya is always recommended for newbies as but bangkok's shear numbers of girls can't be matched anywhere.
the bad.
the poor here are still poor and in for a bleak future. so cut them some slack. china's cheap labour will continue to close factories around the globe, especially here in south east asia. most of these girls live from hand to mouth and the good ones usually support their kids, spouses and parents. and yes most (80-90%) have thai husbands, many of whom work hard for 2-300 baht per day.
if you are an oldster like me, many of your favorites are no longer around. many are dead from aids. more are sick and not getting treatment. and here's the warning i promised:
many working girls here are hiv positive. indeed in one of the thai apartments, 80% of the residents are working girls and at least half are hiv positive. i know because i've read their "visa denial letters" to them or via the local thai grapevine.
kidding yourself that it doesn't exist is the same delusional thought category that a twenty year old hard body really does love a 50 year old fart. do not be "reassured" by claims that monthly checks via the "establisments" is a defense. it is not. i'm hiv positive, for 8 years now, and know (thanks to the diary) it had to have come from either a nana rainbow dancer or an annies massage girl. i do not say this to diss either, indeed many girls on soi 33, and everwhere else have it too. and yes i still patronize rainbow bars and even annies (although my last visit was such crap for the money i'll probably not return. sorry aey). i have always worn a condom and will leave the possible explanantions to the medical folks on isg.
the ugly.
if you are a jabba-the-hut or buff turk type, take a shower!
the number one complaint from the girls is falang smell bad, to which i can only agree.
dress accordingly!
you do not see thai men running around in short pants and singlets for a reason---that's what coolies wear.
the most abhorrent are the pricks who cheat the girls.
if you are one of them beware you will get yours someday (tahm dee dai dee, tahm cheau, dai cheau). a most recent example was an asian from an english speaking country who picked up one of my favorites from the beer garten promising 1000 baht. this girl is very honest and works hard to please a customer. well, the bananna (thai name for folks that are yellow on the outside and white on the inside) only paid her 600 baht after the deed, saying he was short of funds only to be seen cavorting about the other bars in the sukhumvit area. you may think you were clever and saved yourself 400 baht but you are beneath the dirt on a thai's shoes as they say.
most falang will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] away 400 baht ( $12usd) without thinking twice but to this thai girl, and many like her hard working husband it takes him 3 days to earn that amount! as they say there is a special room in hell waiting for you. and by the way, the girls like to take our pictures too---so they can tell their friends which dickhead cheated them (or which is a great customer)!
whether or not isg will post such a controversy is yet to be seen. personally, i would post the bastard's face at the entrance to the bg. and before any start claiming i'm a "capt-save-a-hoe"" that is hardly the case. i pay similar rates to what's typically posted here (1k st) and flatly refuse to pay more for play, even to the rainbow superstars. and yes i eventually get them too as a, very longtime customer, a good reputation always pays off, especially now during rainy season when the bars are at the seasonal low.
in closing.
1. treat the girls with respect.
2. do not patronize the ripoff's, learn to turn a blind eye to the touts, even aggressive beggar brigades (half of which own cars and have mobile phones).
3. for god's sakes learn to differentiate between a women and a katoey
4. always wear a condom, and forget about giving oral (too risky)
5. pay a fair price
have fun!
[size=-2][b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]click here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]
obviously you have contact with the medical community based on your status...and your "status". how do they explain your contraction of hiv while using a condom?....why leave it to a medical expert here in isg. maybe this should be moved to the "safe sex" area?
[quote=yett muat]just a brief and single post from an old asia hand regarding trends, ongoings and a warning.
i'll not reply nor engage other isg folks as a 30+ year resident vetran of the night scene in asia and especially thailand i've nothing to prove. a few credentials. i've been very lucky as my vantage point of being a very highly paid european executive and entreuprener has allowed me to experience asia's nightlife without regard to financial concerns. i've married several times into both high and lo so as it's called here on isg and am fluent in several asia languages. i've lived in the pricey penthouses as well as "thai style" in thai neighborhoods. indeed most of my experience comes from living amongst the working girls not from the gilded/shielded elite housing. having kept a diary, i stopped counting "encounters" after several thousand. and sorry i can never share pictures.
the good.
thailand and other parts of asia still offer a counter balance to the unchecked feministic power in the west. many men beaten down by the west's preferential treatment of women can still come here and get a new perspective on relationships the old asian way. what so many never understand (or forget) is asia is still all about "face". a facet of which means most of what you see hear and enjoy is for fun, enjoyment, but mostly money.
as an old fart, well into my fifties, fat and bald, i can still walk into any bar and walk out with the best on offer much to the chagrin of the young turks. i continue to have poor and even middle class thai's offer me their daughter for marriage. in their eyes a well respected wealthy foreigner is much prefered to her running off with the local motorcycle taxi casanova. sorry i will not share how.
nana, patpong, soi cowboy and their sprawl continue to evolve and segment as they mature. nana is going japanese and transexual as prices have sky rocketed (drinks 4-5x in the last 6-7 years) and the number of katoeys achieves parity with the "sow's" or girls. patpong is fighting back with lower bar fines, drinks prices but continues to lose market share. soi cowboy, the longtime favorite of the expat community seems to still offer the best value of lots of skin and cheap drinks. the economics of the bars will continue to drive the girls onto the streets and free-lance arenas.
pattaya is always recommended for newbies as but bangkok's shear numbers of girls can't be matched anywhere.
the bad.
the poor here are still poor and in for a bleak future. so cut them some slack. china's cheap labour will continue to close factories around the globe, especially here in south east asia. most of these girls live from hand to mouth and the good ones usually support their kids, spouses and parents. and yes most (80-90%) have thai husbands, many of whom work hard for 2-300 baht per day.
if you are an oldster like me, many of your favorites are no longer around. many are dead from aids. more are sick and not getting treatment. and here's the warning i promised:
many working girls here are hiv positive. indeed in one of the thai apartments, 80% of the residents are working girls and at least half are hiv positive. i know because i've read their "visa denial letters" to them or via the local thai grapevine.
kidding yourself that it doesn't exist is the same delusional thought category that a twenty year old hard body really does love a 50 year old fart. do not be "reassured" by claims that monthly checks via the "establisments" is a defense. it is not. i'm hiv positive, for 8 years now, and know (thanks to the diary) it had to have come from either a nana rainbow dancer or an annies massage girl. i do not say this to diss either, indeed many girls on soi 33, and everwhere else have it too. and yes i still patronize rainbow bars and even annies (although my last visit was such crap for the money i'll probably not return. sorry aey). i have always worn a condom and will leave the possible explanantions to the medical folks on isg.
the ugly.
if you are a jabba-the-hut or buff turk type, take a shower!
the number one complaint from the girls is falang smell bad, to which i can only agree.
dress accordingly!
you do not see thai men running around in short pants and singlets for a reason---that's what coolies wear.
the most abhorrent are the pricks who cheat the girls.
if you are one of them beware you will get yours someday (tahm dee dai dee, tahm cheau, dai cheau). a most recent example was an asian from an english speaking country who picked up one of my favorites from the beer garten promising 1000 baht. this girl is very honest and works hard to please a customer. well, the bananna (thai name for folks that are yellow on the outside and white on the inside) only paid her 600 baht after the deed, saying he was short of funds only to be seen cavorting about the other bars in the sukhumvit area. you may think you were clever and saved yourself 400 baht but you are beneath the dirt on a thai's shoes as they say.
most falang will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] away 400 baht ( $12usd) without thinking twice but to this thai girl, and many like her hard working husband it takes him 3 days to earn that amount! as they say there is a special room in hell waiting for you. and by the way, the girls like to take our pictures too---so they can tell their friends which dickhead cheated them (or which is a great customer)!
whether or not isg will post such a controversy is yet to be seen. personally, i would post the bastard's face at the entrance to the bg. and before any start claiming i'm a "capt-save-a-hoe"" that is hardly the case. i pay similar rates to what's typically posted here (1k st) and flatly refuse to pay more for play, even to the rainbow superstars. and yes i eventually get them too as a, very longtime customer, a good reputation always pays off, especially now during rainy season when the bars are at the seasonal low.
in closing.
1. treat the girls with respect.
2. do not patronize the ripoff's, learn to turn a blind eye to the touts, even aggressive beggar brigades (half of which own cars and have mobile phones).
3. for god's sakes learn to differentiate between a women and a katoey
4. always wear a condom, and forget about giving oral (too risky)
5. pay a fair price
have fun!
[size=-2][b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]click here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/quote]
Reads like you should participate more in this forum. Not all members are Thailand newbie’s and tourists.
Figure quite a number of weathered expats are keen to explore different facets of Thailand, well beyond the boring blah blah often found under the Thailand section. A different take on Thai realities is surely appreciated.
Looking forward to more posts...
JB
[QUOTE=Yett Muat]Just a brief and single post from an old Asia Hand regarding trends, ongoings and a warning...[/QUOTE]
JB
You actually found something new and interesting in this post? I think that anybody who read the forum could cobble together this info. There's nothing really new here.
There's something about the post that's not quite right. But, I'm not sure what it is. I wonder why someone with limitless money would bother to still be going to the bars, or why he thinks it's some accomplishment to "walk into any bar and walk out with the best on offer much to the chagrin of the young turks". With enough money, the Elephant Man could get the "best on offer", for fuck's sake!
Or, if he really has been married many times to HiSo and LoSo...(which by the way is not an ISG designation, Yett Muat, but a Thai one - if you were so well versed in Thai culture, you'd know that) why would he still be "living amongst the working girls not from the gilded/shielded elite housing".
And this gem..."I continue to have poor and even middle class Thai's offer me their daughter for marriage. In their eyes a well respected wealthy foreigner is much prefered to her running off with the local motorcycle taxi casanova. Sorry I will not share how." Well, big whoop. Poor Thais would line up around the block to have a shot at this guy's wealth and would gladly sell their daughters to get it. However, I somehow doubt a middle class Thai father would be rushing to offer his daughter to even a respected wealthy foreigner unless he was really well-connected within Thai culture. Therefore, this statement I find a little suspect.
Lastly, his handle "Yett Muat" is I think taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], a little. While it's an attempt to put two Thai words together, it is not a Thai expression. It could mean "Fuck Division" as in "I'm a soldier serving in the Fuck Division", except that the word order is wrong. It should be Muat Yett. Or, he could be saying "Fuck the Classes", in which case 'fuck' is a verb and the word order is correct. In that case, I guess he's a socialist, then.
The whole of the HIV stuff is wild speculation without any hard facts whatsoever.
Yes, there is some bullshit going on here. But, I'm not sure what it is.
[QUOTE=Yett Muat]Thailand and other parts of Asia still offer a counter balance to the unchecked feministic power in the West. Many men beaten down by the west's preferential treatment of women can still come here and get a new perspective on relationships the old Asian way.[/QUOTE]
Enjoy this while it lasts. I've noted that todays sitcoms usually become tomorrow's normal-way-of-life if they haven't yet become todays-way-of-life. I've been watching a helluvva lot of Thai sitcoms lately and it looks as if the East is quickly reaching parity with the West regarding all things feministic.
You can find a pretty decent theory about why this is happening by reading a website called socionomics. In a nutshell, socionomics posits that women are most powerful during times of great wealth creation. If you haven't noticed yet, Asia is now creating millionaires faster than any other region of the world.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]There's something about the post that's not quite right. But, I'm not sure what it is.[/quote]
I always consider handles with a single post as suspect and this one is no different. I completely agree that it's no great accomplishment to walk out of any pay-for-play situation with the best girl or the pick-of-the-litter if you have the money for it.
However, accumulating the wealth to pay for the cream of the crop whenever you want it is an accomplishment. In fact, I'd say it is probably the most sought after accomplishment in all of Thailand. Therefore, I say, "Give credit where credit is due."
That said, suspect post or not, my experience here tells me that there's not much I'd change with his post. I see things mostly as he does. Luckily I have not acquired HIV and I hope his problem does not develop the progression. I've had friends that lived with HIV for years and are still alive today.
Hmmm . . . I wonder if the guy ever lived in a wooden shack with a tin roof in Khlong Toei. I did for six months and I can assure you that doing so will get you very acquainted with Bangkok's "poor folk." It was a Dostoyevskian experience.
Cheers and good tidings to all,
poster . . .
[QUOTE=Yett Muat]
Thailand and other parts of Asia still offer a counter balance to the unchecked feministic power in the West. Many men beaten down by the west's preferential treatment of women can still come here and get a new perspective on relationships the old Asian way. What so many never understand (or forget) is Asia is still all about "face". A facet of which means most of what you see hear and enjoy is for fun, enjoyment, but mostly money.
[/QUOTE]
At least this part is true and written like someone who has experienced both sides.
In a book at Jasmine Mansion in Pattaya there was a quote from a TG -
"If money talks in the rest of the world, in Thailand it SCREAMS!"
It's all about money in Pattaya ...
"Hello hansum man... welcum...WELCUM!!"
(as she yells in my ear over the din on Soi 8 last nite. Ever watch them carve up a roast pig? Now if the Thai would only learn to B-B-Q TEXAS style...)
Now if the Thai would only learn to B-B-Q TEXAS style...)
Hopefully they keep their food just the way it is. Too many western restaurants already in a country of great food.
Apologies for breaking my promise not to post again nor respond but I feel I was not clear enough on a key point----that might save a life.
Yett Muat is local slang for "fucked them all". I'm not a professional linguist and would appreciate a better understanding, why in this instance the words are reversed as say in "Muatt wella" or time's up. My transliteration is poor so sorry.
Those looking for "proof" clearly don't understand. If you know when you got it it's a simple case of looking at the log. In my case I was outsdide Thailand for an extended period so know precisely (within 2 girls) who gave it to me. Neither is now working at their respective places but their pictures are on the web. And no I cannot share with the identities as the stigma here is still huge.
Further, to say there is nothing new misses 2 points of my message---1. We are all playing Russian roulette and the gun is indeed loaded. The short medical explantion is that one can develop micro fissures on the skin of your dick which allow transmission as well as a girl with cancer sores giving you head. Any cuts abrasions etc in the mouth or dick and you've got a point of entry. Further a lot of the girls like to use babay oil or lotion rather than KY which compromises the intergrity of the condom. I too engaged in denial of risks of the "game". Since I now have children I saddened I won't be around as long as I could have been. 2. For those thinking something is just not right, please understand I have to protect my identity. Screwing with someone's rice bowl here in Asia often results in death by the offended party. The things I reported are true but an Asian will never say so. To do so is asking for him or loved ones to snuffed out. I have had to wrap things in an opaque wrppaer if you will to remain anonymous for safety and livelihood sake.
Classify the entry anyway you like but I hoped the general reports would reach the widest audience. And yes I am very impressed by the experience level found on ISG. Having arrived in Asia before fax machines, this would have saved me a ton of time and money! One last note, I didn't mean to brag about being to walk out with the best. I was trying to convey to the other older guys on ISG they can compete and win out over the younger guys:.) And it is not done with money! Good old fashioned sweet talking still works. Remeber smiles are free.
On a personal side to OTH. Been wher you've been, where you've reached a tipping point and get jaded with things in Asia. The best cure is to spend a few weeks in say Japan or another country to refresh your self and reason for being here. And no I wasn't in a shack in Klong Toei (but a tip of the hat to you for being able to endure).
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]
Oh well, what do you expect. Pattaya is all about pussy, so yes, it's all about money.
Pattaya and for that matter Patong, Phuket are slums open to the public. I say this as usually slums are no go areas and not tourist attractions.
In fact it would be easy to draw a fence around Patong, Phuket and charge entrance fees. Tall wooden fence, just like Jurassic Park, guarded by huge Katoys dressed up like Neanderthals. Hey, they just don't have to shave their legs anymore and voila.
What amazes me - still - is that Thailand prides itself on cultural aspects while maintaining slums of sleaze. But then again, Pattaya and Patong do in a way represent what Thailand is most known for overseas, cheap pussy.
Ok, anger vented LOL. Rant over, can go back to work now.
JB
[QUOTE=Dinghy]In a book at Jasmine Mansion in Pattaya there was a quote from a TG -
"If money talks in the rest of the world, in Thailand it SCREAMS!"
It's all about money in Pattaya ...
"Hello hansum man... welcum...WELCUM!!"
(as she yells in my ear over the din on Soi 8 last nite. Ever watch them carve up a roast pig? Now if the Thai would only learn to B-B-Q TEXAS style...)[/QUOTE]
[quote=old thai hand]jb
there's something about the post that's not quite right. but, i'm not sure what it is.
the whole of the hiv stuff is wild speculation without any hard facts whatsoever.
yes, there is some bullshit going on here. but, i'm not sure what it is.[/quote]
interesting that you should feel this way, as i feel exactly the same.....and thought about this for a full day before commenting (as his post is not a common "troll" post and is fairly well written in some respects). there is something that doesn't ring true...but what is it? here are some thoughts;
just a brief and single post from an old asia hand regarding trends, ongoings and a warning. (wsg has been around for quite some time and was proceeded by some other form of it…that was taken over by jackson. you are a guy with amazing bad luck…..but this is the first post on the subject….where you tell all mongers that you acquired hiv using a condom due to “micro fissures”. anything is possible, but this whole thing doesn’t sound right based on my own research. as you know, there are women on the sperm receiving end who have sex with hiv positive men and do not contract it. obviously everyone here feels your pain, but it appears <on the face of it>…that something is very wrong here)
i'll not reply nor engage other isg folks as a 30+ year resident vetran of the night scene in asia and especially thailand i've nothing to prove. a few credentials. i've been very lucky (yeah right!!!!!!...i don’t think so!!!!.....you got hiv using a condom) as my vantage point of being a very highly paid european executive and entreuprener has allowed me to experience asia's nightlife without regard to financial concerns (yet you go to annie’s???????). i've married several times into both high and lo so as it's called here on isg and am fluent in several asia languages. i've lived in the pricey penthouses as well as "thai style" in thai neighborhoods. indeed most of my experience comes from living amongst the working girls (you are an “executive and entreuprener <sic> but live among the working girls…what are you thinking??) not from the gilded/shielded elite housing. having kept a diary, i stopped counting "encounters" after several thousand (what does this mean??....you certainly are compulsive keeping a diary of encounters) and sorry i can never share pictures (who asked for any from you?…we have quite a few here).
the good.
thailand and other parts of asia still offer a counter balance to the unchecked feministic power in the west. many men beaten down by the west's preferential treatment of women can still come here and get a new perspective on relationships the old asian way. what so many never understand (or forget) is asia is still all about "face". a facet of which means most of what you see hear and enjoy is for fun, enjoyment, but mostly money.
as an old fart, well into my fifties, fat and bald, i can still walk into any bar and walk out with the best on offer much to the chagrin of the young turks. i continue to have poor and even middle class thai's offer me their daughter for marriage. in their eyes a well respected wealthy foreigner is much prefered to her running off with the local motorcycle taxi casanova. sorry i will not share how.
nana, patpong, soi cowboy and their sprawl continue to evolve and segment as they mature. nana is going japanese and transexual as prices have sky rocketed (drinks 4-5x in the last 6-7 years) and the number of katoeys achieves parity with the "sow's" or girls. patpong is fighting back with lower bar fines, drinks prices but continues to lose market share. soi cowboy, the longtime favorite of the expat community seems to still offer the best value of lots of skin and cheap drinks. the economics of the bars will continue to drive the girls onto the streets and free-lance arenas.
pattaya is always recommended for newbies as but bangkok's shear numbers of girls can't be matched anywhere.
the bad.
the poor here are still poor and in for a bleak future. so cut them some slack. china's cheap labour will continue to close factories around the globe, especially here in south east asia. most of these girls live from hand to mouth and the good ones usually support their kids, spouses and parents. and yes most (80-90%) have thai husbands, many of whom work hard for 2-300 baht per day.
if you are an oldster like me, many of your favorites are no longer around. many are dead from aids. more are sick and not getting treatment. and here's the warning i promised:
many working girls here are hiv positive. indeed in one of the thai apartments, 80% of the residents are working girls and at least half are hiv positive. i know because i've read their "visa denial letters" to them or via the local thai grapevine. (why the fu ck would you live here…..it just doesn’t make sense)
kidding yourself that it doesn't exist is the same delusional thought category that a twenty year old hard body really does love a 50 year old fart. do not be "reassured" by claims that monthly checks via the "establisments" is a defense. it is not. i'm hiv positive, for 8 years now, and know (thanks to the diary) it had to have come from either a nana rainbow dancer or an annies massage girl. i do not say this to diss (european business executive speak?) either, indeed many girls on soi 33, and everwhere else have it too. and yes i still patronize rainbow bars and even annies (although my last visit was such crap for the money i'll probably not return (this really makes no sense all….you are a wealthy guy and give a shiite about a fee at annie’s?????). sorry aey) (damn right “sorry”….you just penetrated her ass as far as her business goes and you say “sorry”…are you joking?). i have always worn a condom and will leave the possible explanantions to the medical folks on isg (this has already been commented on…….the medical folks here mean nothing…..why wouldn’t you provide proper info in your first post…instead of the second…now going with “micro-fissures”…..as stated, we all feel bad for you…but the way you have approached this does not seem “right”.
the ugly.
if you are a jabba-the-hut or buff turk type, take a shower! (?????....this seems trite after getting hiv at annie’s or rainbow…….maybe this comedy is not called for in a serious post where you have contracted a deadly disease)
the number one complaint from the girls is falang smell bad, to which i can only agree.
dress accordingly! (thanks for the info….but next time i enter a den of hiv…i think i will wear a hazmat suit…..i’m not concerned about my brooks brothers suit anymore!)
you do not see thai men running around in short pants and singlets for a reason---that's what coolies wear.
the most abhorrent are the pricks who cheat the girls.
if you are one of them beware you will get yours someday (tahm dee dai dee, tahm cheau, dai cheau). a most recent example was an asian from an english speaking country who picked up one of my favorites from the beer garten promising 1000 baht. this girl is very honest and works hard to please a customer. well, the bananna (thai name for folks that are yellow on the outside and white on the inside) only paid her 600 baht after the deed, saying he was short of funds only to be seen cavorting about the other bars in the sukhumvit area. you may think you were clever and saved yourself 400 baht but you are beneath the dirt on a thai's shoes as they say.
most falang will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] away 400 baht ( $12usd) without thinking twice but to this thai girl, and many like her hard working husband it takes him 3 days to earn that amount! as they say there is a special room in hell waiting for you. and by the way, the girls like to take our pictures too---so they can tell their friends which dickhead (not a common european “wealthy guy” word) cheated them (or which is a great customer)!
whether or not isg will post such a controversy is yet to be seen (what’s the controversy?) personally, i would post the bastard's face at the entrance to the bg. and before any start claiming i'm a "capt-save-a-hoe""(hoe or ho?……i never heard a wealthy european use that word????...i’m confused) that is hardly the case. i pay similar rates to what's typically posted here (1k st) and flatly refuse to pay more for play, even to the rainbow superstars (you go back there after 50% contracting hiv there?). and yes i eventually get them too as a, very longtime customer, a good reputation always pays off, especially now during rainy season when the bars are at the seasonal low.
in closing.
1. treat the girls with respect.
2. do not patronize the ripoff's, learn to turn a blind eye to the touts, even aggressive beggar brigades (half of which own cars and have mobile phones).(yeah…i saw the lepper on the suk. overpass driving a mercedes the other night…was quite funny!)
3. for god's sakes learn to differentiate between a women and a katoey (that is a great tip……you can get hiv by being plunged in the anus by a man…….one to live by)
4. always wear a condom (why…it obviously is a completely false economy), and forget about giving oral (too risky)
5. pay a fair price (yeah…that would be the biggest thought/problem on my mind after acquiring hiv from a micro fissure)
have fun! (how?....now that we know that we are all doomed?)
yes, there is definitely something very wrong here.
note to jackson……i have been here a long time and always follow the rules/tos….however, this post is very wrong…it has many earmarks of a complete troll…or at least a guy with an agenda. he keeps a diary, knows where he contracted hiv (the girls are still on the websites according to him), never notified the establishment, gives the names of the places where this happened, etc., etc. please allow for some latitude, as i feel something is amiss.
Yett Muat's reports are well written and informative.
His writing style (confidence bordering on arrogance; references to personal wealth; better than average command of the English language) reminds me of our old "friend" Domino. His reference to being fat and in his fifties doesn't fit, but you never know. Could be cover. Also, he actually sounds rather kind and helpful which is not Domino-like, but even that comes from a position of superiority; and Domino could certainly affect a "kind and helpful style for cover purposes.
Hmmm.... Could it be?
Yett Muat
Those looking for "proof" clearly don't understand. If you know when you got it it's a simple case of looking at the log. In my case I was outsdide Thailand for an extended period so know precisely (within 2 girls) who gave it to me. Neither is now working at their respective places but their pictures are on the web. And no I cannot share with the identities as the stigma here is still huge.
You see...this is another problem. This disease takes time to develop the markers that are read by the tests and these markers do not develop immediately. Are you saying that you had sex with a Rainbow girl, then an Annie's girl......then didn't have any sex for six months...then tested positive? Even this is no good because what did you do before these two?....were you not having sex for 6 months before these two? The only way this would make any sense is if you had unprotected sex (giver or taker)...and then developed HIV/pos. results within 6 months of that experience. Or did you get DNA tests and have the DNA linked to these two girls?...that doesn't match the original story......also this guy claims many conquests...and abstaining from sex for a year does not make sense based on his own comments.
"For those thinking something is just not right, please understand I have to protect my identity. Screwing with someone's rice bowl here in Asia often results in death by the offended party. The things I reported are true but an Asian will never say so. To do so is asking for him or loved ones to snuffed out. I have had to wrap things in an opaque wrppaer if you will to remain anonymous for safety and livelihood sake".
This is the internet...you are anonymous...what are you talking about? The more I think about it...there is something very wrong here.
Lover Boy. Let me correct you here. The internet is not anonymous as you might think. IP addresses can be traced, leased lines or dial up, by geo location or fixed DNS. Not by members but the site owner. Some people are just cautious. Plus the local (Bangkok) expat community is quite small. Easy to locate individuals by the references made in their posts.
I think what feels not right is the very fact that all of us want to believe that there is some magical protection against AIDS. Russian Rolette it is. Just think back how many times that condom broke... You can research and turn the facts anyway you want, truth is, AIDS kills.
What is odd though how Yett Muat times the infection. Incubation periods vary and detection would not allow for an accurate timeline. However if he only screwed with those 2 girls over a 6 month period it would be easy to trace back.
The slum thing is another wicked one. But then again, some white boys come here with little and actually make money while being here.
I found best is to take things for what they are - at first that is.
JB
[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2] This is the internet...you are anonymous...what are you talking about? The more I think about it...there is something very wrong here.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]...
But then again, some white boys come here with little and actually make money while being here.
...[/QUOTE]Jungle Bluebird,
I always thought it is the other way around :) ...
Giotto
[QUOTE=Hermescali]Now if the Thai would only learn to B-B-Q TEXAS style...)
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There is a good BBQ joint on Suk 36 and a pretty good one up in Chiang Mai.
Lover Boy
I agree with you agreeing with me...(LOL) I've read this post again and his follow-up and am even more convinced that there are a number of glaringly obvious things that are wrong, not least of which is the writing style and vocabulary, which I would bet is not possible even by the most eloquent, high-born, well-established European businessman.
Sorry, Yett Muat, but on checking with a number of Thai friends, not to mention my girlfriend, the supposed slang expression your handle proports to represent doesn't exist.
The one gem that I liked the most was the image of middle class fathers offering their daughters in marriage to YM to save them from running off with a motorcycle taxi lothario. Gawd! The chances of a middle class TG falling for someone beneath her in status, with no money, no future, even if he was a stud (which few I've ever encountered are) is as likely as snow in BKK.
Rich businessmen do frequent gogo bars. But, I doubt an old Asian hand such as YM would still be doing this after all these years unless he's a complete loser with self-esteem issues, which judging by his arrogance seems unlikely. Lastly, in the same vein, what Farang in his right mind, and with money would ever live among working girls? That's just bullshit, pure and simple...
...and Daddy 07 gave the guy a RoD.
Note to Daddy
Daddy, while I admire your gee-whiz enthusiasm about your big move to the Land o' Skanks, you'd better grow up fast and learn the realities of living here. If it's too good to be true, (like the supposed mega-conquests of dozens of nurses and female doctors at Bangkok Pattaya Hospital recently reported by Bill Miami, that you enthused so much about) it probably is.
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Yett Muat is local slang for "fucked them all". I'm not a professional linguist and would appreciate a better understanding, why in this instance the words are reversed as say in "Muatt wella" or time's up. My transliteration is poor so sorry.
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Your code name confused me at first due to slightly unusual spelling.
Thai word "yett" (high tone I think) means "fuck" as you said.
Thai word "mot" (low tone) is pronounced a little differently to English so hence your slightly unusual spelling "muat". Perhaps thats how it sounds to you, so no complaint. There is NO correct spelling in English. Its all approximation.
This Thai word is a verb or adverb and means "all gone","all used up", or "none remaining"
Hence "mot weylah" means "used up the time" or "there is no time left".
"yett mot" or "yet muat" then means "fucked them all till none left" or "fucked every last one of them".
Hope you mean't girls rather than members of the Forum.:-)
I liked your disertation and I don't care how you got HIV, since we will never know for sure. Its not worth debating. The lesson is that nothing is certain.
Fucking girls will always have certain risks.
I wore a condom but contracted Clamydia in the eye.
Still can't keep my fingers off the pussy, but will be a little more careful.
A recent Nobel Prize winner (Al Gore) and myself invented the internet......so no correction is necessary. If OP was worried about IP, geo location, fixed DNS or tracing by Jackson.....then all he has to do is visit one of thousands of internet locations in Thailand and around the world. There would be other ways to mask location, but this would be the best.....don't you think? As to your second point, OP is the one that mentioned his age, physical description, name of the places where he caught the dreaded disease, etc. Maybe he has a death wish, as I would imagine he has done the best job (himself) of giving himself up to the "small" BKK expat community. (By the way, I don't agree with this as there is a definite strata in this community and further division by nationality and job type).
As to your second paragraph....I agree "AIDS kills". Let's all be careful out there. Guys who bareback all the time will eventually run into a major problem without any doubt. Nuff said.
The timing and the blame are a joke. It is impossible to time this the way he has and then to place the blame, is what alerted me in the first place. If a guy had no sex for a year....had a test (PCR DNA pref.)....tested negative.....had sex with an Annie's girl and a Rainbow dancer after that test...then had another test after 6 months of no other sex.....then I would say that the suspects are from Annie's and Rainbow. There would still be other possibilities as to what happened.....but at least this would sound logical. The way he has it set up...it makes no sense at all. Based on his own comments, there are conquests all over the place. This part of his explanation is the most suspect. (But there are other things, as noted below).
Then you go into the "white boy" thing. I'm not quite sure where you are going with this or what this means. Maybe some introspection is in order? In fact, with the use of the English language that the OP used (dis, ho, etc.), I was starting to think he was a North American black boy.
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Lover Boy. Let me correct you here. The internet is not anonymous as you might think. IP addresses can be traced, leased lines or dial up, by geo location or fixed DNS. Not by members but the site owner. Some people are just cautious. Plus the local (Bangkok) expat community is quite small. Easy to locate individuals by the references made in their posts.
I think what feels not right is the very fact that all of us want to believe that there is some magical protection against AIDS. Russian Rolette it is. Just think back how many times that condom broke... You can research and turn the facts anyway you want, truth is, AIDS kills.
What is odd though how Yett Muat times the infection. Incubation periods vary and detection would not allow for an accurate timeline. However if he only screwed with those 2 girls over a 6 month period it would be easy to trace back.
The slum thing is another wicked one. But then again, some white boys come here with little and actually make money while being here.
I found best is to take things for what they are - at first that is.
JB[/QUOTE]
While I am enjoying the debate, and tend to agree that there seems to be more than just the smell of charred human flesh in the state of Texas, you do realize that endless discussion is going to encourage him even more.
If it was a troll (and I think it was), it was a damned good one - look at the reaction! One must admire his original post on its with an artist's eye if nothing else.. like any good art, its flaws add to its intrinsic worth.
If you are going to be in Thailand for a while, I'd recommend the kleenex brand of tissue rather than the useless, garbage Thai brands. In using the latter that I wet with water for bunghole washing for the TGs and my butt plug, there were many pieces of tissue stuck all over my arsehole. It was a pain in the ass to get it off. That is, the tissue, not the water.
Speaking of water I've had no problem drinking the free Nana hotel brand or the Nelson {Neilson? } label. The latter is available from 7-11, Foodland and Villa Market. Do not drink the tap water which often looks like something you see in your toilet.
Speaking of the toilet, you can get coffee for only 10 Baht at 7-11. But at Starbucks, the hotel & other places you are typicly looking at 50-60 Baht per cup. Then I tip 20 baht more. After 4-5 cups a day that adds up. By shopping at 7-11 before long I'll have saved enough for a pussy.
Very true......but it makes me think of something else....to even encourage him....... even more. This person knows he has HIV....yet he continues to experiment at the local venues where he caught the disease. So, does he now wear a condom for all contact.....or is he still looking for some BBBJCIM? He seems to feel that his last visit to Annie's was total shiite and not worth the small amount this wealthy business exec. paid. Was the girl a starfish....or did she possibly see some marks on his body...and thought it better to do everything with a condom? (making him feel that his less than 50E was poorly spent...and never wanting to return to the place that he 50% got the dreaded disease in the first place). If this guy is on the level and trying to infect the girls where he feels he was wronged.....then surely a bullet up his ass would certainly be in order.
After all is said and done, the greatest wisdom on this subject is offered by the member known as PinkPearl when he says;
"If you are going to be in Thailand for a while, I'd recommend the kleenex brand of tissue rather than the useless, garbage Thai brands. In using the latter that I wet with water for bunghole washing for the TGs and my butt plug, there were many pieces of tissue stuck all over my arsehole. It was a pain in the ass to get it off. That is, the tissue, not the water".
If you had listened to this Yett Muat......everything would have been ok in the universe.
[QUOTE=Blunderer]While I am enjoying the debate, and tend to agree that there seems to be more than just the smell of charred human flesh in the state of Texas, you do realize that endless discussion is going to encourage him even more.
If it was a troll (and I think it was), it was a damned good one - look at the reaction! One must admire his original post on its with an artist's eye if nothing else.. like any good art, its flaws add to its intrinsic worth.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Speaking of water I've had no problem drinking the free Nana hotel brand or the Nelson {Neilson? } label. The latter is available from 7-11, Foodland and Villa Market. Do not drink the tap water which often looks like something you see in your toilet.[/QUOTE]Correction, that is the Nestle brand of water, not Nelson.
And, yes, Alzheimers has arrived.
After a long absense of more than three years, so far, only positive thing of this trip is to encounter very good exchange rate. On the net, prior to the trip, I was seeing quotes of mid 31 Baht to one USD. In reality, at the airport, I got 33.42, around NANA Plaza, 33.8. The best I got is at the TMC Bank exchange place in Soi 11, about 200 ft from Sukumbhit Road towards Ambassador hotel. The rate was consistantly 33.90 for all the days. Hope this helps.
Bandy
[QUOTE=Yett Muat]Apologies for breaking my promise not to post again nor respond but I feel I was not clear enough on a key point----that might save a life.
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I will not get into the debate about the veracity of your post but have one simple question. If what you say is 100% true and your warning on the simplicity of getting AIDS, shouldn't you take your own advise?
Saving of a life (or lives) can come about by you abstaining from the sex scene, wouldn't it?
The risk I am talking about is the condom breaking when you are cumming which is a very real risk. Isn't that a risk you should be concerned about in saving lives?
I had a friend who had a condom break on a Thai girl and 6 mths later found out she had AIDS. Luckily he later tested negative.
[QUOTE=Hk Dog]I had a friend who had a condom break on a Thai girl and 6 mths later found out she had AIDS. Luckily he later tested negative.[/QUOTE]I have heard that it is more likely you get struck by lightning or run over and killed while crossing the street.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]I have heard that it is more likely you get struck by lightning or run over and killed while crossing the street.[/QUOTE]
Yes i have heard that is quite unlikely to get aids caused by condom break, but i am not an expert .....
[QUOTE=Bandy]After a long absense of more than three years, so far, only positive thing of this trip is to encounter very good exchange rate.
Bandy[/QUOTE]
Having been away all of 8 months and returning in January I think of a GOOD exchange rate as somewhere around 40. Return I will but plan to spend a lot of time in Cambodia where a buck is still a buck.
[quote=yett muat]just a brief and single post from an old asia hand regarding trends, ongoings and a warning.
...blah, blah, blah............i've married several times into both high and lo so as it's called here on isg and am fluent in several asia languages. [/quote]
........"as it's called here on isg"?????........here is an article appearing in conde nast traveler (certainly not isg)....note the references;
i go through some fabrics with victor, looking for a summer suit, passing the material through my fingers, turning them against the light. it is hard to wear a suit in bangkok, the world's hottest city, unless you speed from air-conditioned bar to air-conditioned bar. i need something tropical but lined—an ultralightweight italian weave that will allow me to spend a few minutes on the street without suffering cardiac arrest.
so we pick a light, subtle pale-gray herringbone wool, and the measurements begin. i am starting to enjoy the ritual more and more: the passing of hands over my limbs, the nips and tucks, the order to stand straight and throw the shoulders back. every tailor creates a suit particular to him, and rajawongse suits are indefinably different from raja's suits. there is something beautifully clean and old-fashioned about mine when i finally put it on: a suit my grandfather could have worn suavely while taking the water at lourdes in the fifties. the night i pick it up i wear it to a "hi-so" (high-society) party at the q bar thrown for the birthday of one of thailand's innumerable crown princes. i feel like a bit of a shark in this shimmering ice-gray costume, and i immediately realize that no one else is wearing a suit.
instead, they are dressed as characters from batman (the ever-frivolous crown princes and their hangers-on enjoyed these sorts of theme parties even through a tumultuous year that included the army's bloodless coup in september). the crown prince arrives dressed as batman himself. he glances at me as he enters the bar and registers a slight surprise. the only man in a suit, and a farang, to boot! but bespoke clothes make you feel invulnerable, and among all the robins and penguins and catwomen i feel a tremendous calm. the prince later comes up to me, dead drunk, and asks if i am with the cia. "what does it look like?" i reply, and the bodyguards laugh.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Speaking of the toilet, you can get coffee for only 10 Baht at 7-11. But at Starbucks, the hotel & other places you are typicly looking at 50-60 Baht per cup. Then I tip 20 baht more. After 4-5 cups a day that adds up. By shopping at 7-11 before long I'll have saved enough for a pussy.[/QUOTE]
We spend money on lifes pleasures while in Thailand.
Therefore the Hotel only needs cost enough to be very confortable while sleeping and screwing.
You can also eat very cheaply in Thailand and you can screw very cheaply.
Unfortnately alcohol and coffee are not proportionally cheaper than Farang countries. If you enjoy them, then why not indulge a little.
But no need to stoop to super cheap stuff (like white spirit rice liquor or crappy coffee like at some "Black Canyon" stores where the staff are untrained).
Save money on food and accomodation instead.
If coffee is one of lifes pleasures, you can get a really good one for half the starbucks price. Is the 7-11 coffee really that good at 10 Baht? Perhaps it is good (I haven't tried it yet). You could save more money and be healthy by drinking only water bought by the big flagon.
[QUOTE=Montecristo]Yes i have heard that is quite unlikely to get aids caused by condom break, but i am not an expert .....[/QUOTE]Neither am I. In 100's of sessions I cannot recall a condom ever breaking, though quite a few times I've had it cum off inside the lady. Fortunately I never unloaded any babies on those occasions, and now I am mindful to check the cap regularly during extended sessions, if the lady does not. And especially just before I cum, though I prefer not to release that way due to the risk of pregnancy. For the same reason I dispose of any seed myself, down the toilet. Never trust anything that bleeds for three days and does not die.
BTW earlier this week I stuck it in a TG, forgetting the rubber. Though she immediately brought that to my attention.
[QUOTE=AncientFornicatr]Having been away all of 8 months and returning in January I think of a GOOD exchange rate as somewhere around 40. Return I will but plan to spend a lot of time in Cambodia where a buck is still a buck.[/QUOTE]
Those of us who live here, hope you enjoy Cambodia, while we enjoy the fact that the baht is almost back to where it was in '97....bring on 25/$ !!!!!!!
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Those of us who live here, hope you enjoy Cambodia, while we enjoy the fact that the baht is almost back to where it was in '97....bring on 25/$ !!!!!!![/QUOTE]
Actually, for most of us who live and work in Thailand, the strong baht is a negative. The reason is that one makes so little in Thailand that even at 25/$ it would not make sense to spend it in the US - one could probably never save up enough for the plane ticket anyway.
Personally, though I can just barely get by on the 35K typical farang salary, those occasional inputs from home still mean more to me. So, this expat is praying for 50/$, as much as I know that is not in the cards. Perhaps if burd-flu really gets going someday.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Actually, for most of us who live and work in Thailand, the strong baht is a negative. The reason is that one makes so little in Thailand that even at 25/$ it would not make sense to spend it in the US - one could probably never save up enough for the plane ticket anyway.
Personally, though I can just barely get by on the 35K typical farang salary, those occasional inputs from home still mean more to me. So, this expat is praying for 50/$, as much as I know that is not in the cards. Perhaps if burd-flu really gets going someday.[/QUOTE]
That one confused me... what is the advantage to you in the baht losing value?
As far as I can see, most expats are better off with a strong baht:
We still get paid the same in baht terms.
Foreign goods are effectively cheaper (foreign foods, pretty much all electronics etc etc)
Our money is worth more when we do cross the border - I accept that all farangs don't have the money to go to Europe/US, but I'd think most could take a trip to Laos/Cambodia/Malaysia on occasion. Laos a bit baht based, but Cambo as someone else mentioned is strongly dollar based, so the baht is worth a lot more there.
Also, as far as I know, the Malaysian Ringgit (RM) is no longer fixed against the dollar, but tends to follow it up and down (probably by virtue of being an oil based economy), so Malaysia gets cheaper the stronger the baht gets.
Ooh.. Burma as well - dollar based economy as far as I know.
The only disadvantages I can see for expats to a strong baht is:
1) If your money comes from exports you'll be making less
2) There'll be less tourists, so if you make money from them, you'll struggle a bit (that's effectively the same as exports I guess)
3) If you are not paid in baht, your salary will effectively decrease - live with it, you're probably making a packet anyway :)
[QUOTE=Blunderer]That one confused me... what is the advantage to you in the baht losing value?[/QUOTE]
Brother, I'm saying that most of us expats make so little and are so unlikely to ever go back to the US on our paltry salaries that a strong dollar for those occasional checks from home (from the family, etc.) is far more important.
That brought a huge grin to my face.
I hadn't considered that side of it.
For years every letter and email to my parents finished with 'please send money'.
They never did!
(To be fair to my wonderful parents, my including that was a running joke, if I had ever seriously asked them for money, they would have given me some).
[QUOTE=Opebo]Brother, I'm saying that most of us expats make so little and are so unlikely to ever go back to the US on our paltry salaries that a strong dollar for those occasional checks from home (from the family, etc.) is far more important.[/QUOTE]
NOTHING in Thailand is as important as the King making a full recovery as soon as possible hopefully in time for his 80th birthday celebrations.
We are pleased to hear in the news he is doing well.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Neither am I. In 100's of sessions I cannot recall a condom ever breaking, though quite a few times I've had it cum off inside the lady. .[/QUOTE]
Condom breakage is not that unusual.
Major causes are fingernail scratches (sometimes guys do this on purpose)and friction against sponges that some girls wear indside them.
Its much less likely for short sex sessions of course.
Faulty manufacture is rare I believe.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Actually, for most of us who live and work in Thailand, the strong baht is a negative. The reason is that one makes so little in Thailand that even at 25/$ it would not make sense to spend it in the US - one could probably never save up enough for the plane ticket anyway.
Personally, though I can just barely get by on the 35K typical farang salary, those occasional inputs from home still mean more to me. So, this expat is praying for 50/$, as much as I know that is not in the cards. Perhaps if burd-flu really gets going someday.[/QUOTE]
Opebo. You're a chump if you're working for 35K. I don't know what you're doing for so little, but there are lots of jobs that pay more. Personally, I don't know any Farang making less than 60,000/mo minimum and even that's low.
[quote=piper1]i could never move to thailand to be a salary worker on such a pitiful wage. that's ridiculous.
i guess most westerners in thailand don't have a family to support (or don't support an ex-family).
dubai - minimum 300,000 baht/month (tax-fee) for western professionals with a higher degree.
cost of living is higher than thailand, but we get by.[/quote]
we've discussed this before and you're absolutely right. but, not all farang are losers like mr. 'o' scraping by on 35k. there are lots of farang making 100,000+ and even 200,000+. anybody working for less, unless a young guy (or girl) in their 20s here for an adventure and to get some experience should think about what they're doing with their lives.
even at 125-150,000 (depending on the month) i only accept that i'm doing 'ok' because i don't have any kids (except my gf ;) ) to support.
btw, dubai is in the cards for me in a year or two to make a last chunk of dosh before i retire.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Opebo. You're a chump if you're working for 35K. I don't know what you're doing for so little, but there are lots of jobs that pay more. Personally, I don't know any Farang making less than 60,000/mo minimum and even that's low.[/QUOTE]
Where? I've not been locally employed in Thailand, but have had plenty of farang friends who are/have been - usually teaching English, but, some of them have switched to some sort of stocks based telesales and brokerage thing in recent years - I don't know what they make. The teachers have all been in the 35-50k region - some of them get a few benefits chucked in. All of them make at least half as much money again with private lessons.
If you know of places where degree educated farangs can easily get 60k jobs, I know some folks who would be absolutely delighted to hear about it. Further, I am sure Opebo the chump wouldn't mind almost doubling his income after a quick couple of words of advice from you.
[QUOTE=Blunderer]If you know of places where degree educated farangs can easily get 60k jobs, I know some folks who would be absolutely delighted to hear about it. Further, I am sure Opebo the chump wouldn't mind almost doubling his income after a quick couple of words of advice from you.[/QUOTE]
He's already had plenty of advice from me. Even third-tier International schools pay at least 60,000 base salary. First-tier schools pay double or more plus bonuses. I know some international school teachers making close to 200,000.
As has been posted on here ad nauseum, I'm a university professor, teach about 20 hours per week (including overloads) and make roughly 135,000+/month. Even adjunct faculty can make a lot more than Opebo is apparently making in his full-time job. My university pays 2,000 baht/hour to part-time faculty. My other university pays 1350/hour. I have part-time faculty working for me who are making 48,000/month teaching 2 days/week.
Just in education alone, there are loads of opportunities even outside of teaching including consulting, special lectures, and writing manuals. You just need to get into the system.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]NOTHING in Thailand is as important as the King making a full recovery as soon as possible hopefully in time for his 80th birthday celebrations.
We are pleased to hear in the news he is doing well.[/QUOTE]
Hopefully the care he gets at Siriraj Hospital is better than that obtained by the American teacher turned away from Pattaya Bangkok Hospital when they could not confirm his insurance status. PBH claimed they did not have enough blood for him...then transporting the dying man by truck to a hospital that they claim had the blood and of course with different admission requirements. He died before reaching the second hospital.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I'm a university professor, teach about 20 hours per week (including overloads) and make roughly 135,000+/month. [/QUOTE]OTH,
135k/month (I assume it's after all taxes) for 20 hours workweek is not bad at all.
I have a very comfortable salary, the only downside for me is the Travelling and the sometimes never ending work hours.
I don't know how one can live (let alone Monger) on a 35k salary! My rent and utilities are almost double that (fortunately, the company pays the bills)
Hello,
Sometimes I wonder what will happen if the KING will die when I am having my annual holiday in Thailand. It is likely that HE will die pretty soon. Probably it will paralyze the nation for a long time. I know the future KING is not loved by a lot of Thai but he will become KING anyway. I really hope that the present KING is able to come up with a good solution but I am afraid chaos will be there. Just wondering what all the experts are thinking.
Best regards,
Frits
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Opebo. You're a chump if you're working for 35K. I don't know what you're doing for so little, but there are lots of jobs that pay more. Personally, I don't know any Farang making less than 60,000/mo minimum and even that's low.[/QUOTE]
Brother, it does seem a bit harsh to call someone a 'chump' for working for the salary which is by far the most common one. Virtually all Thai public schools as well as most private English schools, and 'English centers' at universities pay 30,000-35,000 baht. I know you like to refer to those that pay more, OTH, but please try to understand that these are a small minority of employers of foreigners in Thailand.
Anyone considering teaching in Thailand should understand that the salaries that OTH mentioned, while they certainly are not fiction, are extremely rare. Don't count on it. Think about it - every Thai I meet considers my salary 'big money', and these are all middle class people making 16-25K, making payments on houses and new cars. Why would they pay more than they have to?
Keep in mind also that for most of us this is not that much less than we could make at home. I like so many am essentially unemployable in the US, as it is far more difficult to get a job there, so $1,100 or a bit more is great money for me, particularly in a country where rent is around $100. It sure beats making $8/hour in a land where rent is 500-600.
Opebo
While this may not be of concern to you, (I don't know your age), I can't understand 50+ y.o. English teachers without a pot to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in stuck here making 30,000/mo. at some third rate teaching job, with no thought of what's going to happen when they hit retirement age and can't work anymore. Thailand is full of these types.
Stuck in a job that makes you a virtual prisoner of Thailand because you can't afford to fly home makes you a fool, in my books.
I can tell you that, unless you've got savings when you aren't employable anymore, you'll be tossed out on your ass as the Thais won't let you stay here even if you have put in years and years of trying to teaching their little rug-rats how to speak English.
Using Thais as a comparison as you did is misleading. Firstly, Thais obviously can stay here and can live on a lot less than we do (They can buy a house with little down payment and can get 30 year mortgages, for example). They have a social safety net of sorts (their families and a somewhat inadequate social security/old age pension scheme). In stark contrast, most Farang are left to their own resources and therefore need to make more money and plan for the future. In my case, I'm fortunate that I'm in a job that pays relatively well, and has a very healthy co-op pension fund that actually pays dividends every year. I also am about to become a civil servant which means I won't be subject to the usual crap faced by most Farang. If I'm still here in 10 years, I'll be able to retire on a lousy Thai government pension, but thankfully with a reasonable uni pension. As a former government employee, I won't have to have whatever the current required bank account is for Farang retirees. Understandably, in this regard I am fortunate, as this is extremely rare for Farang.
So, I just wonder why you chose to stay here, in a dead-end job with little prospect of any kind for a decent future, and with no way home.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Opebo
While this may not be of concern to you, (I don't know your age), I can't understand 50+ y.o. English teachers without a pot to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in stuck here making 30,000/mo. at some third rate teaching job, with no thought of what's going to happen when they hit retirement age and can't work anymore. Thailand is full of these types.
Stuck in a job that makes you a virtual prisoner of Thailand because you can't afford to fly home makes you a fool, in my books.
I can tell you that, unless you've got savings when you aren't employable anymore, you'll be tossed out on your ass as the Thais won't let you stay here even if you have put in years and years of trying to teaching their little rug-rats how to speak English.
Using Thais as a comparison as you did is misleading. Firstly, Thais obviously can stay here and can live on a lot less than we do (They can buy a house with little down payment and can get 30 year mortgages, for example). They have a social safety net of sorts (their families and a somewhat inadequate social security/old age pension scheme). In stark contrast, most Farang are left to their own resources and therefore need to make more money and plan for the future. In my case, I'm fortunate that I'm in a job that pays relatively well, and has a very healthy co-op pension fund that actually pays dividends every year. I also am about to become a civil servant which means I won't be subject to the usual crap faced by most Farang. If I'm still here in 10 years, I'll be able to retire on a lousy Thai government pension, but thankfully with a reasonable uni pension. As a former government employee, I won't have to have whatever the current required bank account is for Farang retirees. Understandably, in this regard I am fortunate, as this is extremely rare for Farang.
So, I just wonder why you chose to stay here, in a dead-end job with little prospect of any kind for a decent future, and with no way home.[/QUOTE]
OTH,
I most certainly agree with you with respect to the Thai's being able to stretch less a lot further - you omitted the oft mentioned dual tier pricing which is another point in favour of that argument.
I've met several bar girls with my english speaking teacher friends who are utterly amazed by what they pay for rent etc..... (this doesn't apply so much to BKK I admit). Farangs have a particularly hard time negotiating a good deal... non Thai speaking farangs, even more so.
On the other hand, I do think you are laying it on a bit thick with respect to the salary thing. I am delighted for you that you draw a nice salary and have found the life you want, and, I have indeed heard of English teaching jobs that pay what you suggest.
Now, my Thailand circle of farang friends is mostly English teachers. About 2/3rds of them are university educated. About 2/3rds of them have TEFL qualifications. As far as I know, one of them has made it to 50k a month (salary only), and probably makes about the same in private lessons (are you including private lessons in the numbers you mention?).
I know of noone (not one person!) who is making more out of teaching English than that, and, she has worked her way up to that over the last 6 or 7 years.
Are you really saying that just about every farang (in my little sphere of experience, and, while I don't wish to speak for him, it sounds like Opebo's as well) has underestimated their financial worth to Thai schools by 100% or more?
If you can point me in the direction of some companies who offer high paying jobs which are fairly easy to get to foreigners, I'd be delighted (PM me if you like). Do note that if the jobs are not easy to get, then, you are talking about something entirely different. Every country in the world has very high paying jobs in every industry - they are just v difficult to come by.
I know one girl who has just done her TEFL and has been doing a little private tutoring in Europe who would be positively moist at the prospect of 60k+ monthly!!!
Blunderer
Actually I don't teach English.
Having a highly marketable specialty outside of English is the key. I've taught over 40 courses across a range of disciplines. I have almost 30 years experience in teaching concurrent with about 20 years in the private sector. You need qualifications, and the right qualifications beyond a BA and a TEFL or you're not going to get much.
But, having said that, I still think that you can work your way up even in English teaching and make connections and therefore the salary I'm talking about. But, you don't just get off the plane and get such a job unless you have good qualifications. But, that's true anywhere. If you've got a Masters in linguistics, or TESOL, for example you can easily get more than 60,000. If you have an MBA and especially a DBA or PhD you can get considerably more and work multiple jobs quite easily.
People with a TEFL, a useless BA or even a useless MA who whine about only making 35,000 don't understand that like anywhere, it's simply market forces. I know someone with only a BA, but in Design Technology, a high demand area who easily gets 65,000 and is in demand for part-time work in a variety of places.
Many unversities have international programs with a wide variety of disciplines all looking for foreign expertise. But, like anywhere, an MA in psychology or sociology or comparative literature, for example isn't exactly what they're looking for. But, if you've got a decent business degree, a degree in technology, or a design area you can easily get a good job here.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Blunderer
But, that's true anywhere. If you've got a Masters in linguistics, or TESOL, for example you can easily get more than 60,000. If you have an MBA and especially a DBA or PhD you can get considerably more and work multiple jobs quite easily.
People with a TEFL, a useless BA or even a useless MA who whine about only making 35,000 don't understand that like anywhere, it's simply market forces. I know someone with only a BA, but in Design Technology, a high demand area who easily gets 65,000 and is in demand for part-time work in a variety of places.
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OK, now I understand... you started by saying Opebo is a chump for working for 35k.
The big magic secret you had is that if you get a PhD or get into a specialised higher paying industry, you can make more money than in an industry with a relatively low educational barrier to entry.
You are of course quite right. Opebo you fat tossing loser, your priorities are massively screwed up... I don't understand why you haven't thought of this yourself. If you went somewhere and got trained as an astronaut you could make a fucking fortune on the Thai lecture circuit.
Sorry OTH, I am probably being a bit unnecessarily abrasive, but I actually thought this conversation could possibly end with some of us finding out something we didn't know before, only to turn a corner and walk under a tree and find that Captain Bleeding Obvious is sitting above me with a laser guided anvil aiming mechanism.
sorry for butting in, but I have a newbie question.
Haven't been to LOs for a while, and can't remember if they make a fuss about the year, serial number, cleanliness etc of US hundred dollar bills. So many SE Asia countires do, I just plain forget.
Can anyone enlighten me please?
[QUOTE=1Ball]sorry for butting in, but I have a newbie question.
Haven't been to LOs for a while, and can't remember if they make a fuss about the year, serial number, cleanliness etc of US hundred dollar bills. So many SE Asia countires do, I just plain forget.
Can anyone enlighten me please?[/QUOTE]
Don't know about dollars, 1Ball, but my experience of sterling is that older is better. The Bank of England introduced a new Ł20 note earlier this year, and I had serious problems getting it changed on my holiday in March/April. Even with the old-style notes on previous holidays, the newer ones were sometimes rejected. Thais seem nervous about new foreign currency.
Thanks TT, but in Indonesia and the Phils, they don't even accept US100 bills issued in 1996. So it might be the other way around. But I am not sure.
anyone?
Blunderer
What did you expect?
There are no magic set of beans, here. I never said that. If you've got the goods, you can make money here. If your qualifications are as common as muck, you can't. Unfortunately, Opebo falls into the second category. Yet he moans about making a paltry salary. As the Thais would say...sohm nahm naa.
English teachers worldwide make lousy money because their qualifications are considered of little value, comparatively speaking.
But tack on another degree that is marketable and then you can make money. For instance, I have a friend here who had a BA in English and a TEFL. He used to make only about 40,000 teaching English at a university, until he did an online MA in Education Technology. Now, suddenly he's making well over 100,000/month. He's currently doing an online MBA which will raise his value even more.
Also, common degrees in the US are still of value here. So a Farang with an MBA (especially from a good school like Thunderbird, Wharton, Kellogg, Harvard) can do very well here teaching, but would more likely be teaching at the community college level in the US, if he could get a teaching job at all.
The point is that there are lots of higher paid jobs teaching here for people with qualifications. The only reason that people like Opebo go on about the common salary for Farangs being around 30-35,000 is because the vast majority of Farang here can't make any more because they're not qualified to do so, not because the jobs and the salaries aren't there.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Blunderer
There are no magic set of beans, here. I never said that. If you've got the goods, you can make money here. If your qualifications are as common as muck, you can't.
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Yep - my fault, I thought you were implying that you knew of some sort of network of recruitment agencies or something that finds better paying jobs for decent English teachers. You never alluded to anything that was especially Thailand, I thought it was implicit that a discussion on a board about Thailand, would allude to something Thai specific, not just generally "in Thailand if you find a better job, you'll get more money", which, as far as I know, is true of everywhere on the planet.
I get the sense there's a bit of frustration or exasperation coming through from conversations the 2 of you may have had before, and, my misreading of that sentiment lead me to believe there were some nuggets of the non obvious variety lurking in the shadows waiting to be coaxed out.
To be honest though, I got such a childish kick out of my Caption Obvious metaphor, I will remember this whole discussion with absolute delight :D
[QUOTE=Blunderer]Yep - my fault, I thought you were implying that you knew of some sort of network of recruitment agencies or something that finds better paying jobs for decent English teachers.[/QUOTE]
There are websites that list jobs in Thailand for English teachers that give a full gambit in terms of salaries available. The best is [url]www.ajarn.com[/url]. The more general one for worldwide recruitment is Dave's ESL cafe, [url]www.eslcafe.com[/url].
You actually can't get a good English teaching job through an agency unless it's one of the agencies that recruit specifically for international schools here. Most of these agencies are in the UK. It's better to just do it yourself.
I actually do know where most of the best paying teaching jobs are here, even English teaching jobs. But, again at the risk of repeating myself, it's all about qualifications. At my uni English teachers have a terrible base salary of 25,000. But, most actually make well over 100,000 because they are assigned to courses in international programs which pay 2,000/hour tax free beyond their base salary. As well, many are doing consulting work for the Ministry of Education which pays obscene amounts of money for useless projects. These are the connections, "the Network" to which I alluded in one of my earlier posts. One needs to work the system and get connected. You just don't arrive and fall into this. Most of this extra work is tax free. Of my salary, I only pay taxes on less than half. The rest is viewed as tax-free government consulting.
With regards to Opebo; I might have helped him get something better, as he asked me once. But, he's a smart mouth who has pissed me off one too many times. So, as far as I'm concerned let him suffer in his little 2-bit job.
[QUOTE=1Ball]Thanks TT, but in Indonesia and the Phils, they don't even accept US100 bills issued in 1996. So it might be the other way around. But I am not sure.
anyone?[/QUOTE]
My experience with US$100 bills is in HK, the Phils and Europe, but I should think it applies to LOS too. Anything from before 2000 is highly likely to get turned down. Turns out some of these (like the 1996 series) are allegedly easier to forge. So when you're taking out US$100 bills at your local bank in the US, go over them closely and reject anything from before 2002 to be safe. Then from what's left, reject anything that's worn, marked, torn or otherwise defaced. Hope that helps.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...I can't understand 50+ y.o. English teachers without a pot to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in stuck here making 30,000/mo. at some third rate teaching job, with no thought of what's going to happen when they hit retirement age and can't work anymore. Thailand is full of these types.
Stuck in a job that makes you a virtual prisoner of Thailand because you can't afford to fly home makes you a fool, in my books.
So, I just wonder why you chose to stay here, in a dead-end job with little prospect of any kind for a decent future, and with no way home.[/QUOTE]
OTH, you imply that being poor is 'a choice'. It is not. People work for 30,000 - or whatever amount - because they must. I wonder if you, conversely, credit the wealthy as 'intelligent' for the fortune of their position in the hierarchy, just as you deride the workers for their misfortune.
I can assure you that going home would lead to even more dire financial conditions - life in America is no picnic.
You also stress that 'people with [x or y] qualification' can get such and so amount of money'. Well, that may be so. But it is a fact that the vast majority of farangs in Thailand work for 30-35K. I have never denied that a very small number make other amounts, but I do feel that it provides dangerous misinformation to suggest to prospective expats that they can expect to be in that top few percent.
[QUOTE=Opebo]
You also stress that 'people with [x or y] qualification' can get such and so amount of money'. Well, that may be so. But it is a fact that the vast majority of farangs in Thailand work for 30-35K.[/QUOTE]
O
They make that amount because the vast majority of Farang here are not qualified to make more.If you have the goods, you can make more. It's that simple.
The least I've ever made here was 50,000/mo and that was in 1997 when the baht was 25/$. For that, I worked 10-2 everyday.
Ok, now I do live in California where the salaries are higher, but if you are saying it is difficult to find a job in the U. S. (even if you are over 50) for over 1, 000 USD a year, I think you are wrong.
There are tons of jobs that pay 35-50k that require little or no education.
I make about 90k USD, and it's a decent salary, but I certainly know many, many people who make a lot more. Some aren't educated at all. I have an M. A. But it's not related to my field.
Perhaps you are underestimating yourself?
[QUOTE=Opebo]OTH, you imply that being poor is 'a choice'. It is not. People work for 30,000 - or whatever amount - because they must. I wonder if you, conversely, credit the wealthy as 'intelligent' for the fortune of their position in the hierarchy, just as you deride the workers for their misfortune.
I can assure you that going home would lead to even more dire financial conditions - life in America is no picnic.
You also stress that 'people with [x or y] qualification' can get such and so amount of money'. Well, that may be so. But it is a fact that the vast majority of farangs in Thailand work for 30-35K. I have never denied that a very small number make other amounts, but I do feel that it provides dangerous misinformation to suggest to prospective expats that they can expect to be in that top few percent.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Opebo]But it is a fact that the vast majority of farangs in Thailand work for 30-35K. [/QUOTE]Wow, I never realised that these Salaries were paid to the vast majority of Farangs. A lot of my thai employees make more than that.
Now, correct me if I am wrong but, no matter what Salary you earn (low level
5k to 50k) and declare, you need to pay taxes based on your home countrie's base minimum taxes right? isn't that what they ask you for during your visa claim? (before you start flaming me, it was just a question, I am not claiming to know this first hand)
Nic
I don't know much about US taxes, other than they do need to file every year. There is a minimum amount they have to make overseas before they have to pay tax in the US. But, I don't remember what it is.
As far as Canada goes, I haven't filed since 1996, nor do I have to because I am not a resident. I pay taxes in Thailand and Thailand, only.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Nic
There is a minimum amount they have to make overseas before they have to pay tax in the US. But, I don't remember what it is.
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You are allowed to exclude about 80K a year of foreign earned income. That amount might have gone up in the past few years, as I don't study US tax anymore.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Wow, I never realised that these Salaries were paid to the vast majority of Farangs. A lot of my thai employees make more than that.
Now, correct me if I am wrong but, no matter what Salary you earn (low level
5k to 50k) and declare, you need to pay taxes based on your home countrie's base minimum taxes right? isn't that what they ask you for during your visa claim? (before you start flaming me, it was just a question, I am not claiming to know this first hand)[/QUOTE]
NicFrenchy,
Most of my long term resident farang friends are English teachers. They are all in that range. Some work as foreign consultants for other industries and make a lot more (one mate of mine was on about 350k a month for his 2 year contract which was a very nice lifestyle for him indeed).
As for taxes - I am guessing you are American? I am not aware of the full ins and outs of it, but, American expats are massively disadvantaged compared to those from other countries. As I understand it, they are required to pay normal US income tax on any money they earn outside the country for as long as they are citizens (and for 10 years after they drop their citizenship I think - or that may just be for bequeathing stuff, not sure). I say 'normal' tax, but they are given tax credits for any local tax paid.... the thrust of this means that tax-wise, the very best deal you can get is to pay US level taxes. If local taxes are higher, then you have to pay them. If local taxes are lower, you pay them, then pay the difference to the US government. Other nations don't have these rules. If I were American, I would just not tell them about my foreign earnings in a foreign country that have absolutely nothing to do with the US government, and each night I would whisper very very quietly, stick that up your [b]festering clacker valve[/b] Mr Bush, then, I'd sleep very very well.
Short answer to your question: Yes if American, no if from anywhere else.
Actually, your literal question hasn't been answered at all. I've not heard of any country basing your tax liability on what your tax liability would be in your nation of citizenship, and, if you think it through, I doubt any country ever would:
a) it'd be a nightmare to administer and to keep up with all the foreign tax rates
b) tax law/rebates/what is taxable under what mechanism is complex enough in any one nation, can you imagine trying to effectively evaluate liability under individual foreign tax systems just to determine one individuals local liability.
c) Why would they care which country you are from unless there is a special trade agreement or something?
d) How would they deal with dual-citizenships? Charge you the average liability?
There are some countries that have different tax structures for non-citizens, but to my knowledge they are implemented across the board for all non-citizens irrespective of where they are from (with the exception of the aforementioned trade agreements and the like).
[QUOTE=Blunderer]NicFrenchy, As for taxes - I am guessing you are American? [/QUOTE]
Would that be the dumbest assumption ever?!
I think the UK also taxes expats too. Both the US and UK have tax treaties with many other countries for income taxes and a smaller number of countries for Social Security (NHS in the UK) taxes. You can find them on their respective web sites. Just google for them. I know that HK, the Phils and Thailand are included in the US list of tax treaties.
Some years ago I met this waitress in the 4-star fortune hotel BKK and had some ''nice experience'' with her. Just wandering if other people also had some nice moments with staff from this hotel?
[QUOTE=Finrod]I think the UK also taxes expats too.[/QUOTE]
OK, this one I know the answers to - but the question is a bit ambiguous.
The UK taxes expats within the UK exactly the same way as they tax citizens. Basically, the UK taxes residents regardless of their citizenship.
Tax treaties are a different kettle of fish altogether.. as far as I know they are designed to avoid double taxation. Say you own a house in Singapore that you decide to sell. You are in Australia working, but have been in the UK working earlier that same financial year. You were tax resident in the UK and are tax resident is Oz (tax residency is a funny subjective legal thing that is based around either your state of mind - ie, where you intend to live for the next three years, or, where you have lived for the past 3 years).
Now, you sell that house. As far as the UK government is concerned, you need to pay them tax for the money you made on the house because it is profit you realized whilst tax resident in the UK. The Australian government takes exactly the same position as the UK government. The tax treaty means that you can pay the British, then present a receipt for that payment to the Australians to have that amount deducted from your tax bill (only for that particular liability obviously). The same exact thing would happen if you worked half a year in Oz, then went to the UK and worked.. the UK would say, well, you earnt that this financial year, and so woult the Ozzies.
Tax treaties work in your favour in this respect. I think they work against you by allowing foreign powers to investigate you finances a bit more than they would otherwise be able to if you are doing something dodgy.
The situation with Americans is as far as I know unique. Say a German goes to the UAE - tax free earnings, laughing all the way to the bank. An American with the same job would need to pay tax to the IRS at the same rates as he would pay if the job were in America (? - I am not sure that the rates are the same, but it is something like that), even if he/she were to live in the UAE for 20 years.
Sorry to disappoint you all, but I am just a simple French guy, not American LOL.
My observation about taxes had nothing to do with a Foreign Government. I must have not been clear enough (English is my 3rd Language so vocabulary fails me Sometimes).
A friend of mine was in the Following Situation: He was applying for a non-immigrant Visa (B I think) in order to get his work permit and his Salary at the time was something around 20k per month. (He Is American).
Immigration told him that it was too low for taxes sake and that no matter what Salary he was getting, his company had to prove they could pay 50k taxes for him (which was the absolute minimum taxes to be paid to the Thai Government for a Person from his Country).
He did not go into much Details, but his company agreed to pay the minimum Taxes required (which were much higher than he would have had to pay if calculated on the Pro-rata of his Salary).
As far as I am concerned, I never really cared since my company pays my taxes, I get a fix Salary (after taxes). This is good for me because the day the Thai government decides to raise the Taxes Foreigners have to pay, I'll still have the same amount in my pocket.
[QUOTE=Blunderer]
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The situation with Americans is as far as I know unique. Say a German goes to the UAE - tax free earnings, laughing all the way to the bank. An American with the same job would need to pay tax to the IRS at the same rates as he would pay if the job were in America (? - I am not sure that the rates are the same, but it is something like that), even if he/she were to live in the UAE for 20 years.[/QUOTE]
For US citizens the first $80K earned overseas is tax free. The balance is taxable. Any taxes paid to the local government is deductible.
1. Tuesday 1 January New Year Day
2. Thursday 21 February Makha Bucha Day
3. Monday 14 April Songkran Festival Day
4. Tuesday 15 April Songkran Festival Day
5. Wednesday 16 April Substitution for Songkran Festival Day
6. Thursday 1 May National Labour Day
7. Monday 5 May Coronation Day
8. Monday 19 May Visakha Bucha Day
9. Thursday 17 July Buddhist Lent Day
10.Tuesday 12 August H.M. the Queen's Birthday
11.Thursday 23 October Chulalongkorn Day
12.Friday 5 December H.M. the King's Birthday
13.Wednesday 31 December New Year Eve
Giotto
Giotto, if you do not mind some small amendments :-)
1. Tuesday 1 January New Year Day -
meaning Thai employees will not show for work on Monday.
2. Thursday 21 February Makha Bucha Day
meaning Thai employees will not show for work on Friday.
3. Monday 14 April Songkran Festival Day
4. Tuesday 15 April Songkran Festival Day
5. Wednesday 16 April Substitution for Songkran Festival Day
meaning Thai employees will not work the entire week.
6. Thursday 1 May National Labour Day
meaning Thai employees will not show for work on Friday
7. Monday 5 May Coronation Day
meaning Thai employees will take Friday off
8. Monday 19 May Visakha Bucha Day
meaning Thai employees will take Friday off
9. Thursday 17 July Buddhist Lent Day
meaning Thai employees will not show for work on Friday
10.Tuesday 12 August H.M. the Queen's Birthday
meaning Thai employees will not show for work on Monday
11.Thursday 23 October Chulalongkorn Day
meaning Thai employees will not show for work on Friday
12.Friday 5 December H.M. the King's Birthday
13.Wednesday 31 December New Year Eve
ok, forget Thursday.
By some strange coincidence Thai public holiday mostly fall on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
JB
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]...11.Thursday 23 October Chulalongkorn Day
meaning Thai employees will not show for work on Friday
...[/QUOTE]I don't know what year you are in, but you are right, if it is not a thursday it must be a tuesday. And I enjoyed the ride from the airport downtown on monday in almost no traffic.
[QUOTE=Giotto]1. Tuesday 1 January New Year Day
2. Thursday 21 February Makha Bucha Day
3. Monday 14 April Songkran Festival Day
4. Tuesday 15 April Songkran Festival Day
5. Wednesday 16 April Substitution for Songkran Festival Day
6. Thursday 1 May National Labour Day
7. Monday 5 May Coronation Day
8. Monday 19 May Visakha Bucha Day
9. Thursday 17 July Buddhist Lent Day
10.Tuesday 12 August H.M. the Queen's Birthday
11.Thursday 23 October Chulalongkorn Day
12.Friday 5 December H.M. the King's Birthday
13.Wednesday 31 December New Year Eve
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Not a national holiday...but a good festival:
[url]http://www.loikrathong.net/EN/[/url]
[QUOTE=Duniawala]For US citizens the first $80K earned overseas is tax free. The balance is taxable. Any taxes paid to the local government is deductible.[/QUOTE]That's not quite how it works. Some details that need to be considered: US Citizens must spend 330 out of 365 in the calendar year outside the US for this to work. Under 330 days, it may be pro-rated. You will pay taxes on your salary, there is an 80K ADJUSTMENT to gross income made.
If you are in the tax bracket known as "highly compensated", your federal withholding will be significant.
I began working in Iraq the last week in March of this year. I will not reach 330 days out of country before the end of the calendar year, and will need to file an adjusted return to make use of this adjustment.
This exclusion or adjustment only applies to federal taxes, you will still be on the hook for your home state, check with a tax expert in your state to get the skinny.
Regards,
Matthew
Please forgive me gents for not RTFF about the following question:
A friend informed me you can purchase good custom made shoes in Bangkok. Can someone please provide some details and recommendations.
Just a quick question to those who are in Thailand right now.
I need the info as I will need to do a major transaction involving Thai bahts, the difference could be quite a lot.
What is the current exchange rate for Canadian dollar with Paper Notes (NOT traveller's cheques) at the local Thai banks and street money changers?
With online currency exchange websites, the current rate is about $1 cdn to 33.2 baht. But I know from past experience that the actual rate may be higher once you're in Thailand?
thanks in advance for your replies guys.
Tonedog
Today at breakfast with the GF in Grand President, in walks a past Australian boxing world champion "Jeff Fenech" now a boxing and perhaps Muay Thai trainer, and a lot heavier than his boxing days. Of course he can't be compared to Thai hero Khaosai Galaxy and his career came to an early end due to consistent broken hand injuries. Jeff lost his world title to Azuma Nelson.
However he brings back memories of the nightmare fight for Thais.
In 1987 Jeff challenged WBC's world Jr. Featherweight champion, Samart Payakaroon (Thai). Samart struggled to make the weight and was down on power. Samart managed to run away from Jeff somewhat in the early rounds, but in the 4th round Jeff mauled him againsts the ropes and knocked him out taking another world title in a higher weight class than his previous world title, all too easily.
Unfortunately Samart was held is disgrace by the Thai people and never really forgiven. But Jeff had many early round wins in his career.
One evening went to posh garden restaurant with the GF and spent 2500 Baht including one cocktail drink each.
The food was generally very ordinary (not Thai food). Must have a new chef as was previously better. Won't go back of course. I must have been crazy to waste this much money.
Last night we got food off the street.
BBQ'd Chicken leg, 4 porks sticks, 2 chicken gizzard sticks, Hor mok pork (a curried pork jelly set with egg), nam prik (chilli dip), some green vege., Som Tam salad, and a lot of fruit for the grand total of 140 Baht. The two of us coudn't eat it all. Had left overs for next day.
It was far more delicious than the expensive restaurant and under 10% of the price (although missing drinks as drinks were in the fridge already). Food suitable for keeping the weight down also.
[QUOTE=Tonedog]Just a quick question to those who are in Thailand right now.
I need the info as I will need to do a major transaction involving Thai bahts, the difference could be quite a lot.
What is the current exchange rate for Canadian dollar with Paper Notes (NOT traveller's cheques) at the local Thai banks and street money changers?
With online currency exchange websites, the current rate is about $1 cdn to 33. 2 baht. But I know from past experience that the actual rate may be higher once you're in Thailand?
Thanks in advance for your replies guys.
Tonedog[/QUOTE]Rate at the exchange booth next to nana plaza last night was 34. 2 for canadian dollers but I got my best rate for Sterling at the airport, maybe worth a look for your dollers.
[QUOTE=Tonedog]Just a quick question to those who are in Thailand right now.
I need the info as I will need to do a major transaction involving Thai bahts, the difference could be quite a lot.
What is the current exchange rate for Canadian dollar with Paper Notes (NOT traveller's cheques) at the local Thai banks and street money changers?
With online currency exchange websites, the current rate is about $1 cdn to 33.2 baht. But I know from past experience that the actual rate may be higher once you're in Thailand?
thanks in advance for your replies guys.
Tonedog[/QUOTE]The rate is higher here in LOS.
On Soi 11 today you could get 3512 Baht for 100 CDN$ in bank notes from
one money changer.
On the same street, w/i a block of the first, another was giving 3490 baht.
BTW, the rates for travellers checks were 3547 and 3551 Baht. So if you can
get TCs before leaving Canada it seems you'll get a better rate here. My bank
in Vancouver issues them to me at no charge.
Thanks guys for the info on the local exchange rate for Canadian $$
I will make it a point to exchange Bahts once I'm in LOS.
Tonedog
Got another question to you fellow travellers...
It's been a few yrs since I have been to Thailand. With the new airport, I know there have some changes...
1. In the past, the Airport busses that left DM airport were about every 20-30 mins interval.
--With the new AE3 leaving Suvarn Airport, how frequent is the bus, 30mins, hourly??
--And how long is the ride from the airport to about Asoke/Nana area on Sukhumvit?
--When about is the last bus leaving the airport?
2. I read on this forum that one can take a metered taxi from Suvarn Airport to about Nana area for about 200 Baht. Can anyone else confirm this--going either way, from the airport or to the airport?
thanks fellas.
Tonedog
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]The rate is higher here in LOS.
On Soi 11 today you could get 3512 Baht for 100 CDN$ in bank notes from
one money changer.
On the same street, w/i a block of the first, another was giving 3490 baht.
BTW, the rates for travellers checks were 3547 and 3551 Baht. So if you can
get TCs before leaving Canada it seems you'll get a better rate here. My bank
in Vancouver issues them to me at no charge.[/QUOTE]
But you also need take into consideration that by using TC there is an extra charge of, I think, 30 baht per transaction.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]One evening went to posh garden restaurant with the GF and spent 2500 Baht including one cocktail drink each.
The food was generally very ordinary (not Thai food). Must have a new chef as was previously better. Won't go back of course. I must have been crazy to waste this much money.
Last night we got food off the street.
BBQ'd Chicken leg, 4 porks sticks, 2 chicken gizzard sticks, Hor mok pork (a curried pork jelly set with egg), nam prik (chilli dip), some green vege., Som Tam salad, and a lot of fruit for the grand total of 140 Baht. The two of us coudn't eat it all. Had left overs for next day.
It was far more delicious than the expensive restaurant and under 10% of the price (although missing drinks as drinks were in the fridge already). Food suitable for keeping the weight down also.[/QUOTE]
Mick
Thanks for allowing us to live through your experiences! The food at the garden was good last year, But Expensive! Across from GP is a german biegarten down the street 50 yards towards Suk is a street vendor thats excellent. The favorite place to eat when staying in that area. Very Clean as well.
Many things you report on and do are similiar to my experiences there in BKK.
I really appreciate your reports. Hows the GF friend thing going? Sure seems to be alot of free time based on your reports throughout the forum!
Did you get a chance to look at the KEY on Soi 19? Just concerned about my next 30 day stay and the conditions of this hotel.
Keep up the good reports and enjoy
[QUOTE=Rikusa]Mick
Thanks for allowing us to live through your experiences! The food at the garden was good last year, But Expensive! Across from GP is a german biegarten down the street 50 yards towards Suk is a street vendor thats excellent. The favorite place to eat when staying in that area. Very Clean as well.
Many things you report on and do are similiar to my experiences there in BKK.
I really appreciate your reports. Hows the GF friend thing going? Sure seems to be alot of free time based on your reports throughout the forum!
Did you get a chance to look at the KEY on Soi 19? Just concerned about my next 30 day stay and the conditions of this hotel.
Keep up the good reports and enjoy[/QUOTE]
The garden restaurant that has gone downhill badly (food-wise) is "Zanzibar". Definitely not recommended.
I should have been at the German restaurant. Its looks popular although most customers are drinking more than eating I think.
Alternatively there is Italian and Japanese nearby, that might be worth trying.
I didn't try "The KEY" after some reports of not girl friendly, and I wanted to use it for mongering.
But GP here at 2199 Baht per night including breakfast for 2 is quite O.K. with free internet, a kitchenette and a swimming pool and girl friendly.
Grand Business Inn (also Soi 11) is a little cheaper, but beds a bit hard and no swimming pool, and breakfast not included. So GP is a really good deal, I think.
[QUOTE=OldHarry]Rate at the exchange booth next to nana plaza last night was 34. 2 for canadian dollers but I got my best rate for Sterling at the airport, maybe worth a look for your dollers.[/QUOTE]Old Harry,
Can you believe the damn canadian dollar is stronger than the USD if you tell me 6 yr ago when the $ 1 USD is to the Can $ 1.6 I will never believe you .
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Tonedog]Got another question to you fellow travellers...
It's been a few yrs since I have been to Thailand. With the new airport, I know there have some changes...
1. In the past, the Airport busses that left DM airport were about every 20-30 mins interval.
--With the new AE3 leaving Suvarn Airport, how frequent is the bus, 30mins, hourly??
--And how long is the ride from the airport to about Asoke/Nana area on Sukhumvit?
--When about is the last bus leaving the airport?
2. I read on this forum that one can take a metered taxi from Suvarn Airport to about Nana area for about 200 Baht. Can anyone else confirm this--going either way, from the airport or to the airport?
thanks fellas.
Tonedog[/QUOTE]I used the ae3 on my last visit, took 90 mins in morning rush hour traffic to get to nana skytrain stop. I think they run about every 30 mins, but are well air conditioned. Don't know when the last one leaves but I got a bus back which arrived at the swamp around 23. 00 after a much quicker jorney in the evening traffic.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Old Harry,
Can you believe the damn canadian dollar is stronger than the USD if you tell me 6 yr ago when the $ 1 USD is to the Can $ 1.6 I will never believe you .
Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]Changing sterling for us dollars I can now get almost 2. 1 dollars / pound. That will make my next us trip very nice considering it was only a few years ago I could only get 1. 6 dollars / pound. Not so nice for those going the other way.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Old Harry,
Can you believe the damn canadian dollar is stronger than the USD if you tell me 6 yr ago when the $ 1 USD is to the Can $ 1.6 I will never believe you .
Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]Almost all currency had been going stronger compare to the U. S. But the cdn dollar had simply skyrocketed because of the huge petroleum reserve in western Canada that are now being extracted (2nd proven reserve in the world)
1$ cdn = 1. 07$ U. S. Today and predicting it will reach 1. 10 by the end of the year
Guess I might cross the border and be mongering in the states if the trend continue.
[QUOTE=Tonedog]
2. I read on this forum that one can take a metered taxi from Suvarn Airport to about Nana area for about 200 Baht. Can anyone else confirm this--going either way, from the airport or to the airport?
[/QUOTE]
Leaving the airport, there is an extra 50 Baht charge. But use a metered public taxi, pay the tollways (if you choose to use them), and the extra 50 Baht, and a small tip if you choose.
Should be able to get to the airport by metered taxi for about 200 Baht (and possibly less) I guess assuming start at say Nana and enter expressway. but still have tollway charges.
In the end the exact price doesn't matter except to compare an all inclusive price offered by someone. I probably wouldn't accept an offer over 300 Baht for going to the airport, unless in a big hurry. Of course most offers will be much higher so its easier just to use the meter.
[QUOTE=Tonedog]2. I read on this forum that one can take a metered taxi from Suvarn Airport to about Nana area for about 200 Baht. Can anyone else confirm this--going either way, from the airport or to the airport?
thanks fellas.
Tonedog[/QUOTE]The meter usually says less than 200, but you are told to pay the driver an extra 60 baht on top of that, for the 2 tolls I guess. I give them about 300 which also covers the tip.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]One evening went to posh garden restaurant with the GF and spent 2500 Baht including one cocktail drink each.
The food was generally very ordinary (not Thai food). Must have a new chef as was previously better. Won't go back of course. I must have been crazy to waste this much money.
Last night we got food off the street.
BBQ'd Chicken leg, 4 porks sticks, 2 chicken gizzard sticks, Hor mok pork (a curried pork jelly set with egg), nam prik (chilli dip), some green vege., Som Tam salad, and a lot of fruit for the grand total of 140 Baht. The two of us coudn't eat it all. Had left overs for next day.
It was far more delicious than the expensive restaurant and under 10% of the price (although missing drinks as drinks were in the fridge already). Food suitable for keeping the weight down also.[/QUOTE]
Personally, I think you're taking your life in your hands eating street food. I'm not concerned so much with food poisoning as just the residue from car exhaust, pollution and the like - Carcinogenic, man! I stopped eating it years ago.
There are plenty of inexpensive restaurants selling Thai food indoors, or at least out of harm's way, that almost rivals street food in terms of price and are in most cases actually better in taste.
For good Isaan food, try Papaya restaurant on Rama IX. It is outside. But, at least the food is all freshly prepared, very tasty and relatively inexpensive. It has a nice upcountry feel to it and is always fairly busy with Thais. My GF loves this place. Another good bet is the Isaan chain, Yum Saap which is also a fav of my GF. We eat there at least once a week. They have lots of variations on Som Tam, as well as other common dishes like Phad Thai. The bill for the 2 of us rarely goes past 300 baht for a big meal. There are dozens of branches all over Bangkok, including at MBK and on Silom across from Patpong. You can also order for home delivery.
If buying Som tam off the street cart turns your crank, I can fully understand it: authenticity and all that. But, I just think it's too dangerous in the long run - slow death in my book.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Personally, I think you're taking your life in your hands eating street food. I'm not concerned so much with food poisoning as just the residue from car exhaust, pollution and the like - Carcinogenic, man! I stopped eating it years ago.
There are plenty of inexpensive restaurants selling Thai food indoors, or at least out of harm's way, that almost rivals street food in terms of price and are in most cases actually better in taste.
For good Isaan food, try Papaya restaurant on Rama IX. It is outside. But, at least the food is all freshly prepared, very tasty and relatively inexpensive. It has a nice upcountry feel to it and is always fairly busy with Thais. My GF loves this place. Another good bet is the Isaan chain, Yum Saap which is also a fav of my GF. We eat there at least once a week.
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[/QUOTE]
I have been eating off the street for years but not all the time.
I'm clearly not a person who has a lot of phobias about microbes, but I take your point about potential bad chemicals.
I guess weighing up the risks is similar to the "passive smoking" deal.
Thanks for the suggestied places. I can probably use them at times.
Today I ate at a nice Italian Restaurant in the Korean square.
The fish was absolutely magnificent so I didn't mind paying a little more when its really good. Was still way less than the Zanzibar in Soi 11.
[QUOTE=Rikusa]Mick
Thanks for allowing us to live through your experiences! The food at the garden was good last year, But Expensive! Across from GP is a german biegarten down the street 50 yards towards Suk is a street vendor thats excellent. The favorite place to eat when staying in that area. Very Clean as well.
Many things you report on and do are similiar to my experiences there in BKK.
I really appreciate your reports. Hows the GF friend thing going? Sure seems to be alot of free time based on your reports throughout the forum!
Did you get a chance to look at the KEY on Soi 19? Just concerned about my next 30 day stay and the conditions of this hotel.
Keep up the good reports and enjoy[/QUOTE]Hi,
I've been staying in a small decent new hotel "Ever Rich Inn" this is between Soi 5 & Soi7. No problem with GF's. Nice, simple & decent clean rooms at B1500. No fancy resturant but the rooms are clean & good. Just a walking distance to all the action places.
Cheers
[QUOTE=OldHarry]I used the ae3 on my last visit, took 90 mins in morning rush hour traffic to get to nana skytrain stop. I think they run about every 30 mins, but are well air conditioned. Don't know when the last one leaves but I got a bus back which arrived at the swamp around 23. 00 after a much quicker jorney in the evening traffic.[/QUOTE]To Old Harry,
The AE3 bus take too long Suhumvit is hell with traffic jam you better off going to the bus terminal take the bus to the bts skytrain station and take the train to Nana take less than one hr or just take the taxi and use the expressway.
Fast Eddie 48
Thanks again for all the feedback.
After doing some research and reading the different postings, I've come to these conclusions.
1. The AE3 bus now cost 150 Baht (friggin steep, I say.), and takes up to 90 mins from the airport to about the Nana area (from the old airport DM, it took about 40 mins, half the time). So, if I could find a fellow passenger who is heading to Suk area, then us 2 could split the "less than 300 Baht" taxi ride. Costs the same for each person, but much faster.
Same thing for going to the airport (but I imaging it would be harder to find someone going to the airport at the same time.)
2. If I'm alone, I would take the advice of the other member by taking the bus to On Nut BTS station and then skytrain it down to Nana area. This is not only cheaper (maybe some 70 Baht or so), but much quicker, as quite often one is stuck on a bus somewhere along Sukhumvit for hours.
On a different subject. Has anyone taken the Air-con bus to Pattaya from the Bus Terminal off the Suvarn Airport? From what I have read, there are 2 different companies offering the service from this bus terminal.
Can anyone confirm the service (s), and the most recent departure times?
Thanks.
Tonedog
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[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]To Old Harry,
The AE3 bus take too long Suhumvit is hell with traffic jam you better off going to the bus terminal take the bus to the bts skytrain station and take the train to Nana take less than one hr or just take the taxi and use the expressway.
Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]Have to agree with you, I took the bus last time only because I got fed up with the taxi touts and the queue at the taxi desk was very long. Nearly got off at on nut sky train but was not in a hurry that day. On this trip I got a taxi and was at the landmark within 40 mins, arrived on a Sunday so traffic was not an issue.
I had to be in Khoi Samui for half a day, up on arrival I took a taxi for a 10 minute ride to my meeting place and I know quite well where it is (I normally rent a car), when in the taxi I told the driver 3 times " put the meter on " as I know there tricky games there out there. Btw his meter was covered with a little paper. He told me " we do not put meter on in Samui " and the discussion started, I asked him how much to that place as I explained him and showed it also on the map, he told 500Thb, what no way, I told him that I was living in BK and could drive half a day on the meter for 500Tb (see km / rate display in most taxi’s) but no way. He get angry, me to, I showed him that I have noted his licence and car number and I would inform the police but it did not help at all. He throw me out of the car and ran off as quick as possible.
I took another taxi a bit farther and the same game started, he asked me 400 and no way to discuss it, since I had only a few hours no much spare time to loose I took him. The same price with another one the ride back for max 10min. I spoke to an American guy in the meeting later on, he took the same taxi ride and he paid 700thb.
There as been recently a police crack down on taxi drivers on Khoi Samui, police as send some 130 drivers to jail and they get presented a high fine, taxi drivers have attacked some European tourists with a machete in a discussion about the high "ripp off " taxi fare they have to pay up on arrival at there hotel, they have to be taken, heavy wounded, to the hospital but all this does not change these taxi drivers there bad attitude they keep on going.
When will this farang ripp off stop, it just keeps tourists and business away there but there are always people on holiday with a holiday budget that are paying this rate to these bastards.
John Euro
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Yes there are 2 companies - they both leave from the public transportation terminal (lower level "ordinary route" bus - takes a few minutes longer - gets there the just same as the "express route" on the second (I think) level but "detours" thru the duty / tax free zone. - FREE ride to the terminal)
Anyway - the 2 bus companies serve slightly different routes - one is the "blue/white" (same as the bus from Ekkamai or Morchhit and delivers you to the North road bus station. The other is a "better" bus (actually) that runs down Suk (stops at North, Central, South, Jomtien Lotus and then on down to almost to BEACH ROAD JOMTIEN (about 50m to the road from "the end of the line") Ticket office - stand at the "Pattaya" bus sign and face toward the seats - it's just to the right of where the security guys sit. 106B I've done both companies - the Jomtien buses seem cleaner route almost identical but better IF you are going to South Pattaya because of the extra distance covered down Suk. Jomtien bus is the first out at 645AM - right at a 2 hour run.
IF you are going to Jomtien, take the Jomtien bus (easier ride, then get a songtaew on Jomtien beach road - right about Soi 30 IIRC - lower soi numbers as you go back toward Pattaya - to the "right" as you approach the road from the bus station) otherwise, you will need to cross Suk to get to Pattaya N, S, or Central and get a songtaew into town from there (still 10B right now, Thai price always has been 5B but they are expecting for that to go up for Thai as well BTW)
Dinghy.
Thanks for the info on the AC bus to Pattaya.
If they both cost the same and do the same route, I will most likely take the 'blue/white' one so to get off at the North Road Bus Station, as I will be staying around Central Pattaya Rd.
Can anyone confirm the latest daily departure times for the "blue/white" AC bus going to Pattaya from Suvarn Airport bus terminal? Just so I can plan my schedule accordingly once I arrive at the airport.
Thanks
Hi Gents. I need to buy a couple of pieces of silver jewelry on my next trip. I know where to go for gold, of course, but is there an area that sells good quality made silver jewelry at a good price?
thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=1Ball]Hi Gents. I need to buy a couple of pieces of silver jewelry on my next trip. I know where to go for gold, of course, but is there an area that sells good quality made silver jewelry at a good price?
thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
I don't know an area, as such, but Chatuchak has several vendors selling silver, as does MBK and their are actually a few silver jewelry wholesalers on Khao San Road that aim a Farang vendors buying for resail. It depends on whether you're just looking for silver or higher-end designer jewelry.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Leaving the airport, there is an extra 50 Baht charge. But use a metered public taxi, pay the tollways (if you choose to use them), and the extra 50 Baht, and a small tip if you choose.[/QUOTE]If you go up two levels to the arriving flights, you can catch a taxi very quickly when they are dropping people off... and they do not charge you the 50 baht airport fee. Just tell them where you want to go and say meter? If ok, then jump in. Best to have them take the expressway, but you pay the two tolls.
[QUOTE=Mark17]If you go up two levels to the arriving flights, you can catch a taxi very quickly when they are dropping people off... and they do not charge you the 50 baht airport fee. Just tell them where you want to go and say meter? If ok, then jump in. Best to have them take the expressway, but you pay the two tolls.[/QUOTE]
You used to be able to do this at Don Muang, but I don't think they will let taxis pick up departing passengers on the arrival level at the new airport. At least they weren't the last time I was there.
You walk out of departures, top floor, walk accross the street where departing passengers are being dropped off. Empty taxis are happy to take you into town.
It is not the savings of 50 bt, as much as no waiting whatosever, which I like.
I did it twice last week, and will do it again next week.
Never a problem.
I will most likely be taking Air Asia (for the first time), flying out of Macau and into BKK in December. Has anyone flown with them?
My concern is not so much the flight itself or the service. I can endure a 2. 5 hr flight, regardless how cramped the seats are. My question is. How is Air Asia online ticketing service/procedure? Has anyone ever experienced any snags, problems or unexpected surcharges?
Thanks.
Tonedog
[QUOTE=Retired Army]You used to be able to do this at Don Muang, but I don't think they will let taxis pick up departing passengers on the arrival level at the new airport. At least they weren't the last time I was there.[/QUOTE]
I do it all the time. My GF flies home a lot and when I'm heading back to town, I simply go up to departures and catch a cab dropping someone off. There are always loads, some even parked and waiting. The security cops don't seem to rush them out of there all that quickly. So, it's quite easy to do.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I do it all the time. My GF flies home a lot and when I'm heading back to town, I simply go up to departures and catch a cab dropping someone off. There are always loads, some even parked and waiting. The security cops don't seem to rush them out of there all that quickly. So, it's quite easy to do.[/QUOTE]
Just to be absolutely clear, are you refering to Suwanaphuum or Don Meuang?
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Just to be absolutely clear, are you refering to Suwanaphuum or Don Meuang? [/QUOTE]I am referring to the new airport. It works just like it did at the new airport. Sometimes the police are active trying to move the cabs out, so you have to be quick. One time, the police gave my driver a hard time, after I got in, but the driver just slipped the policeman a few baht, and exchanged words and he let him go.
[QUOTE=Mark17]I am referring to the new airport. It works just like it did at the new airport. Sometimes the police are active trying to move the cabs out, so you have to be quick. One time, the police gave my driver a hard time, after I got in, but the driver just slipped the policeman a few baht, and exchanged words and he let him go.[/QUOTE]
Why go to this much trouble to save 50 Baht and a few minutes in the taxi que? I've never waited more than five minutes for a taxi. All the tourists and those who don't know any better are siphoned off by the limo touts in the arrival hall.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Just to be absolutely clear, are you refering to Suwanaphuum or Don Meuang?[/QUOTE]
Suwanaphuum.
RA
I've seen quite long queues at the taxi stand. Running upstairs to departures, I'm out of there in a couple fo minutes.
[QUOTE=Tonedog]I will most likely be taking Air Asia (for the first time), flying out of Macau and into BKK in December. Has anyone flown with them?
My concern is not so much the flight itself or the service. I can endure a 2. 5 hr flight, regardless how cramped the seats are. My question is. How is Air Asia online ticketing service/procedure? Has anyone ever experienced any snags, problems or unexpected surcharges?
Thanks.
Tonedog[/QUOTE]I used Air Asia for a VISA run to Penom Penh recently. Since the online booking price {about 1600 Baht} initially quoted an amount much lower than that {3300 Baht} after I had gone through several steps to reserve a flight, I opted to use a travel agent instead for about the same price. Bangkok Airlines online, BTW, charged me less than half of what the agent would have, and was much easier to use, besides not changing the price midstream.
I took Bangkok air for the return flight in order to return the same day, since otherwise I would have had to stay in Cambodia overnight. To my surprise the 45 minute flight offered a full meal. Air Asia did not.
I am wondering if now is a good time to buy some, or maybe a lot, of Thai Baht, in particular with the Canadian dollar. Today you could get roughly 36 Baht for one loonie, or 36, 000 for $1000 CDN.compared to earlier this year when one would recieve only about 28, 000 Baht for the same, that is 8000 Baht more. Or eight more short time sessions in BKK for 1000 Baht each.
Do you expect Canadian dough will get more valuable soon, or drop in value vs the Baht? I am guessing it will drop, and the USD will also continue to slide.
According to Yahoo currency info in the last 5 years the USD has been at a high of 44 Baht and a low of 30 Baht to the dollar. And has, more or less, steadily continued to decline.
The CDN buck over the same period has ranged from about 28 to 36 Baht. And is presently in a general upswing.
[url]http: //finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?amt=1&from=CAD&to=THB&submit=Convert[/url]
As one who is planning to spend a lot of time in Thailand in the near future, I'd suggest an investment in Thai Baht now via the loonie.
Not feeling comfortable about keeping this large of an amount of cash in my hotel room or security box, I guess the only alternate is to open one or more bank accounts in Thailand.
From there I suppose it could be put in a savings account, GICs, or stocks, etc, as one prefers.
One bank I inquired at said a letter from my embassy in LOS would be required to open an account. Is this standard procedure for Farang?
Alternately, I don't know if my homeland bank allows accounts in Baht, or if I will be able to obtain as good an exchange rate in Canada as here.
i've never been to thailand myself, but this article that i just stumbled across could serve as a word of warning to any us resident on isg regardless of his travel destination. what i don't get is how they could determine that the photos were of "**** and teenage girls in bangkok". anyway, photos may be fun -- but they can also be dangerous.
yankee
[b]constable faces new child porn charges[/b]
by hilary russ
staff writer
october 24, 2007
nantucket — a former volunteer high school sailing instructor charged in barnstable with possessing sexually explicit videos of himself with adolescent girls was arraigned on similar charges on the island yesterday.
william h. "howe" constable, 53, pleaded not guilty to five counts of possession of child pornography in nantucket district court yesterday, according to court clerk roxana viera.
the new charges were filed after a search of constable's madaket cottage, where police seized nearly 67 dvd-r discs, 71 mini video cassettes, two computer memory sticks, paperwork, two video cameras, a folder of photographs, and two apple computers in his bedroom, the nantucket inquirer and mirror newspaper reported.
about 30 grams of marijuana were also allegedly seized from the home, the inquirer reported. constable pleaded not guilty to possession of marijuana yesterday, viera said.
constable was arrested friday in hyannis after leaving behind a digital camera at a hotel. the camera was reportedly laden with sexually explicit pictures and videos of constable engaged in sex acts with **** and teenage girls in bangkok, thailand. he has no prior criminal record, according to the inquirer.
constable was released after posting $25,000 cash bail monday in barnstable district court. yesterday, he was put on an electronic monitoring bracelet and released on his own recognizance. he'll be fitted with a global positioning system that can monitor his movements once it becomes available, viera said.
constable will have to check in with a probation officer twice a day, will be allowed to work from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., may not leave the state, and may not go near schools or come into contact with minors. his passport has already been surrendered to the barnstable police.
he is scheduled to appear again in nantucket district court on oct. 29 for a pre-trial hearing and appearance of counsel.
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okay. i found this additional article and i guess its pretty easy to identify someone as young as 8 as being ****. now what surprises me is the implication that the us has a law against sex tourism. am i being naive? does this law only apply to sex with **** girls (which i never engage in) or does this apply to any commercial sex arrangement (as the article seems to imply)?
yankee
[b]fbi nabs island child porn suspect[/b]
by hilary russ
staff writer
october 26, 2007
nantucket — the local man already arraigned in barnstable and nantucket on child pornography charges was arrested by federal agents yesterday and taken to boston.
federal bureau of investigation agents arrested william h. "howe" constable, 53, at 7:30 a.m. without incident at his c street home in madaket, according to an fbi spokeswoman.
the former volunteer high school sailing coach was then taken to boston, where he made an initial appearance before a federal judge in u.s. district court. he likely will be held in federal custody until a nov. 1 detention hearing on a charge of producing child pornography outside the united states.
barnstable police arrested constable oct. 19 after he returned to a hyannis hotel to retrieve a digital camera he left behind. it contained graphic photos and video of him and other men engaged in sex acts with dozens of adolescent girls in bangkok, thailand, and possibly other asian countries, police said.
police also seized computers, more than 100 computer discs and mini video cassettes, photographs, hand-held video recorders, travel documents and other items from constable's nantucket home after he allegedly told police he had more graphic images stored on computers there.
in an affidavit for a search warrant of constable's computers and discs, fbi special agent sarah de lair described in detail one of an estimated 40 videos on the sony camera found in the hyannis hotel. in one clip, a naked girl no older than 8 is raped by a man on a bed as she cries and screams. the man in the video is constable, according to de lair's affidavit.
also on the camera were 10 other videos "which clearly depict constable having sexual intercourse with children under the age of 18" and "numerous" still images of constable performing sex acts with children, de lair wrote.
constable allegedly told police he made many of the recordings on trips to bangkok, and de lair's affidavit also mentioned travel to hong kong. bangkok is widely considered a center for so-called "sex tourism."
sex tourism involves travel from a person's own country to a foreign land for the purpose of engaging in commercial sex acts, according to a u.s. department of state web site.
prison sentences for sex tourism and producing child pornography oversees for import to the united states were increased with the passage of federal legislation in 2003. such crimes now carry a minimum sentence of 15 years and a maximum sentence of 30 years in prison, and up to a $250,000 fine. since the new law passed, prosecutors have secured more than 20 indictments and more than a dozen convictions of child sex tourists, according to the state department web site.
since oct. 19, the investigation into constable's alleged "sex tourism" and child pornography production and possession has expanded to include more than a half dozen agencies: barnstable and nantucket police departments, state police detectives assigned to the cape and islands district attorney's office, the fbi, the attorney general's office, the u.s. attorney's office, and immigration and customs enforcement.
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okay. still further investigation seems to indicate that the law only applies to sex with anyone under 18 years old. specifically, this link
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/sex_tourism[/url]
says
[i]legal issues in the united states
federal law (see protect act of 2003) prohibits united states citizens or permanent residents to engage in international travel with the purpose or effect of having commercial sex with a person under the age of 18, or any sex with a person under the age of 16; facilitating such travel is also illegal. arrests by immigration and customs enforcement are becoming common, however prosecutions under this law are still very rare.[/i]
see also
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/protect_act_of_2003[/url]
Hi everyone,
I'm planning on travelling to Bangkok, Thailand early next year and I have a bit of an odd question.
I'm quite young, 19, and was wondering how I would be treated at all the bars. Just to clarify what I mean, it's my understanding that most of the girls target mature men as perhaps they would be more wealthy.
I don't mean any disrespect by this question, just something I hoped somebody could shed some light on. Thanks guys.
Thanks for your feedback regarding Air Asia.
I do find the online prices on Air Asia flights tend to be very reasonable. My only concern is that I have seldom used online booking for flights. So I'm being a little more careful.
Certainly, if I could find a ticket from an agent at a similar price, I will opt for that. It just feels much more secure when you have a tix in your hand with a confirmation
[quote=yankee 617]i've never been to thailand myself, but this article that i just stumbled across could serve as a word of warning to any us resident on isg regardless of his travel destination. what i don't get is how they could determine that the photos were of "**** and teenage girls in bangkok". anyway, photos may be fun -- but they can also be dangerous.[/quote]what's your point yankee?
if you're a kid fucker, be more careful where you leave your video camera? or just fuck them but don't take pix?
sex with children is just not acceptable. not. ever.
[QUOTE=Mmggg]Hi everyone,
I'm planning on travelling to Bangkok, Thailand early next year and I have a bit of an odd question.
I'm quite young, 19, and was wondering how I would be treated at all the bars. Just to clarify what I mean, it's my understanding that most of the girls target mature men as perhaps they would be more wealthy.
I don't mean any disrespect by this question, just something I hoped somebody could shed some light on. Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]
Make the rounds and spend a bit of cash and you'll probably be mobbed by the girls, if for no other reason than your youth (they are young women afterall) because I'm sure they'd like a change of pace from all the old farts they have to shag.
on the other hand, Old Thai Hand, (hehehe), I have heard the girls prefer the old farts. They go to bed early, don't boom2 all night, (except for me, of course), and the girls don't have to work so hard.
A young stud might drag the girl out drinking all night, then take her back to his cave and "slam" her for hours, when all she wants to do is sleep.
[QUOTE=Tonedog]Thanks for your feedback regarding Air Asia.
I do find the online prices on Air Asia flights tend to be very reasonable. My only concern is that I have seldom used online booking for flights. So I'm being a little more careful.
Certainly, if I could find a ticket from an agent at a similar price, I will opt for that. It just feels much more secure when you have a tix in your hand with a confirmation[/QUOTE]
Speaking from someone who has booked online numerous times with Air Asia (and other carriers), I'd dare say its mostly psychological. By the way, you do get a confirmation number when you book online with them.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]I am wondering if now is a good time to buy some, or maybe a lot, of Thai Baht...[/quote]
I know nothing of such things, but my middle class Thai friends say the baht has reached its peak and should decline over the next year or so. Factors to which they refer include the election/political change, and the bad economy in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Tonedog]Thanks for your feedback regarding Air Asia.
I do find the online prices on Air Asia flights tend to be very reasonable. My only concern is that I have seldom used online booking for flights. So I'm being a little more careful.
Certainly, if I could find a ticket from an agent at a similar price, I will opt for that. It just feels much more secure when you have a tix in your hand with a confirmation[/QUOTE]
i find it easier to book on line you do not get any hassle of the agent trying to sell you something else
[quote]what i don't get is how they could determine that the photos were of "**** and teenage girls in bangkok". anyway, photos may be fun.- but they can also be dangerous.[/quote]it’s a good point to consider
if you get caught with sex explicit pictures with " **** looking girls " include possession of drugs at the same time your in big trouble of course, at least for the drugs and mainly in the us, it is not with disrespect for us guy’s but my question is how can these hypocrite us cops judge from the pictures only if the girls are **** or whatever if they have no knowledge of asian culture or never been there, having your laptop full with sexy or porn pictures is no problem in europe or at customs as long if they don’t catch you for something else that is not allowed and then use these picture as additional evidence that you are a criminal or bad guy. a question also is what is the difference between a sexy picture or porn? i have hear and widely read enough story’s from guys having a search trough there laptop when entering the us after being in asia, never hear about that in europe and never experienced myself.
asian girls look a lot younger then they really are we all know that. i have had during my years in asian country’s many surprises in this field, thinking the kid looks like 18 or so, asking there id and they turn out to be 23 or 25.
age prove example, chinese girls can look very young and they always lie about there age (even thai) they telling you they are older than they actually are to get access to clubs and job’s and they can play with two years differ at it, i keep a little horoscope calculation list with me and ask them under which chinese horoscope she is born to make sure, and they don’t lie about that one: if she say’s she is 20 y and is born under the snake, that’s 1989 so she is only 18 and so on. i don’t know if that kind of calculation exist for thai also, not easy to prove there age as not all girls are carry a id with them all the time or difficult to read, embarrassing to ask it the first moment you meet. last week, i have seen several girls in spice girls at soi cowboy, looking so petit and skinny, they could have been by looks easily 12 or 14 years old.
the big problem is that if you are on the picture together with the young kids how can you prove to the cops at home she is 23 and its mainly hard when the shot is taken under sexy circumstances.
my point of view is, i never take pictures with to young looking kids, even with our without your own face on it.
john euro
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I've used Air Asia several times and have never had any problems with the booking or ticketing process.
One thing to bear in mind is that it is essentially a point-to-point airline, and it has several separate companies under the name, ie, it has Thai, Malaysian and Indonesian components and you have to book each sector separately.
I would use them again for a point-to-point flight, but never again between Bali and Bangkok return. It was a giant hassle trying to figure out connections.
I had to fly Bali. KL, clear customs and immigration in KL, check in again with all that hassle for the KL. Bangkok leg. The same coming back.
What's more the connections are not that great. A four hour layover in KL on the outward trip and a seven hour stop coming back. It just wasn't worth the hundred bucks or so I saved rather than fly direct with either Thai or Garuda.
Also, be warned, that they are really fierce with the 15kg baggage allowance and you WILL get charged if you're over, even by a kilo or two. Or anyway, that was the experience of all the people I was queuing with.
[quote=lama di bali]what's your point yankee?
[/quote]
i'm neither condoning nor condeming the accused in this article.
my point is that one should be cautious. it seems that one can be prosecuted in the us under us law for actions in a foreign country even if those actions are legal in that foreign country. moreover, i was amazed to see that they are trying to make the creation or possession of certain fake images illegal. at that rate, doodling on a napkin could be a crime. talk about the long arm of the law! anyway, i know that lots of guys on isg enjoy taking photos and posting them... i'm just suggesting that they be very careful. if someone finds your photos and takes offense, you could find yourself before a judge who says "yup, sure looks **** to me. lock him up!" and all your protests that she's really 19, you saw her id, will be worthless. is the photo really worth it?
personally, i do not own a camera and articles like this help reduce my desire to buy one. if i can't simply remember my experiences, i guess i'll be forced to repeat them :-).
[quote=john euro]asian girls look a lot younger then they really are we all know that. i have had during my years in asian country’s many surprises in this field, thinking the kid looks like 18 or so, asking there id and they turn out to be 23 or 25.
the big problem is that if you are on the picture together with the young kids how can you prove to the cops at home she is 23 and its mainly hard when the shot is taken under sexy circumstances.
my point of view is, i never take pictures with to young looking kids, even with our without your own face on it.
john euro
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what we need is a mongers model release form.
you could also take a picture of her id and have it available if ice wants to hastle you.
i would love to see that play out.
ice: these girls look ****, i think we have a problem here.
me: sorry to bust your bubble, yes im a perve who like to take pictures, however the id of the girl you see naked says she is 23 years. step off!
[QUOTE=Lama Di Bali]Sex with children is just not acceptable. Not. Ever.[/QUOTE]
I guess I would take a more nuanced view.
When I was 15-16, I was enjoying sex with girls my age (14-16 mostly, but one was 18) and I don't feel that I was being exploited, nor do I feel that I was exploiting anyone. In fact, I don't feel that what I was doing is wrong.
How did it come to be that 18 is the magical age at which sex would be okay?
A few centuries ago, people were marrying at 13 (and typically dying at 30). This had some basis in the biological fact of puberty. Somehow, as our health care improved (control of sewage & drinking water, antibiotics) our life span grew as did the time we spent in school. Along with this came the idea that teenagers (since they were no longer middle-aged) were too irresponsible for many things: like drinking, driving, voting, soldiering, and sex.
Yeah, I don't think is cool for some 50-year-old fart to be screwing around with some 6-year-old tot... I think its downright wierd for the 50-year-old to have such desires and the 6-year-old probably needs protection. But in 10 years time its not surprising or wierd to me that the now-60-year-old would be attracted to the now-16-year-old... and while some 16-year-old kids may need protection, others do not as they are quite capable of making adult desisions. I know I felt capable of making adult decisions when I was 15... even now as an over-50-year-old guy I think I was capable of adult decisions when I was 15.
I don't think its possible to name a single age that applies well for everyone, in every culture, throughout the world. But if I were to name a single age that I think is appropriate in the majority of cases, I would say that 15 seems about right and 18 seems too high. I just don't know how 18 came to be the magical age.
That said, I personally have no interest in girls younger than about 19... and 21-25 would probably be my most preferred age range for a short-term relationship. For a longer-term relationship, I'd want a somewhat older young woman -- perhaps about 30. But I can see how others could be attracted to at least some 15-year-old girls... its the same simple biology that makes post-menopausal women less appealing: guys are attracted to girls/women that can bear children.
[quote=yankee 617]
my point is that one should be cautious. it seems that one can be prosecuted in the us under us law for actions in a foreign country even if those actions are legal in that foreign country.[/quote]
the us has a bit of a reputation for that sort of thing... in a thread recently in the philippines section, someone was asking 'why do all korean's hate all us citizens - they owe us etc' * that is as may be, but, the americans will be rarely thanked for going somewhere and imposing their will by either economic or military might, whether what they are doing it for what they judge to be moral reasons or not. (even as a child we were all taught that might does not make right). this arrogance (and i think we can safely call it arrogance - defiance of the un, extraordinary rendition... not to mention further back, the cia being instrumental in overthrowing certain governments) has now spread to its own citizens (i mean the government is arrogant, not all the citizens). as far as i know, there is only one western country in the world that restricts where its own people can travel - and that is the us (cuba). that the electorate puts up with it is a constant source of amazement to me. howard marks had a bit of a rant about it in his book - something to do with passports, and something about (paraphrasing) 'the us government prosecuting a non us citizen for doing naughty things with non us passports on non us territory, and not planning to use said passports for traveling to the us" - the subtext was, anything connected to the drug trade anywhere was ultimately for our big us brothers to sort out.
all that being said, ****philia is a bit of a different fish to all that, and, without googling at all, i recall an agreement from a while back between the cambodian and various western governments (including but not limited to germany, uk, us, australia). the logic behind it was that the cambo police might have the ability to sniff out some ****philia, but lack the funding to properly prosecute it. they would stamp the offender's passport with "deported for sexual deviancy" and leave the foreign government to deal with it. i assume the programme is still running, but i've no idea how the details work - ie, collection of evidence etc. i don't think of this as an altogether bad idea.
i'd also be fascinated to know how this whole photo thing at us customs works. photos of someone who might be under 18 in a possibly compromising position that just happen to be in someone's possession can hardly constitute anything beyond reasonable doubt - so what happens? are you then bound over while further investigations take place? how long can you be held for?
with regard to being prosecuted for actions in a foreign nation that weren't illegal there, but would be in the us, i've never heard of american's doing that (as policy anyway). if an american goes to amsterdam and smokes it up, then comes back with lots of photos of themselves smoking, can they be prosecuted for it? is it only select laws that the us gov't tries to enforce amongst its citizens outside its own borders? if i am a foreign citizen and got to a country where the age of consent it 16, do the business then fly to the us can i be prosecuted for statutory [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]? if a us citizen does the same
can they? what if it is a 16 yo prostitute where 16 yo's are allowed to be prostitutes?
* my first thought after reading that was, it probably isn't all americans that they hate, just the ones who go around with the attitude that they are owed something. americans, like any other group, are a mix of absolute fuckstains and the best people you could ever hope to meet. koreans, like any other group, are a mix of absolute fuckstains and the best people you could ever hope to meet.
i realize these are touchy subjects, so no offense is intended for anyone unless they happen to be a fan of current us policy, but i've not met anyone who's been outside the us who is a fan, so, my guess is i am pretty safe in that respect :)
[QUOTE=Yankee 617]How did it come to be that 18 is the magical age at which sex would be okay?[/QUOTE]U.S. law is very clear on this topic. A U.S. citizen cannot engage in relations with anyone younger than 18 while outside the U.S. As a practical matter, one would be advised not to take pictures if age may be at issue. Even if you win at trial, you will lose thousands of dollars in your defense.
[QUOTE=Opebo]I know nothing of such things, but my middle class Thai friends say the baht has reached its peak and should decline over the next year or so. Factors to which they refer include the election/political change, and the bad economy in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I was wondering with the election upcuming it might coincide with a decline in the Baht and a good time to exchange Canadian dollars. A couple days ago I got about 35 to the loonie, yet did not buy much since I could not open a bank account to stash it, not having the required work permit or letter from a consulate.
once again the mongers with a predilection to ****philia cry foul!
it is they, the deviates, who are the victims of laws designed to protect children from men like them.
i have no problems with sex with girls who are old enough to make the decision whether they sell themselves or not.
you can debate the age of consent until you are blue in the face (my country for example it's 16) but don't go trying to tell me an 8 year old is fair game.
Good to know that a few of you had flown with Air Asia, and found the ticketing process satisfactory. I will make sure my carry-on does not exceed the 15 kg limit.
I will be flying directly (from what I understand on the website) from Macau to BKK, so there's no transfer/transit, so it should be an easy and relatively quick 2. 5 hr plane ride to Suvarn Airport, then directly to Pattaya on the AC bus. Can't wait. He he he
The only thing is, I will be there in Dec, which means shit-load of other tourists and fellow "hunters", so the picking must be thin and prices at the upper end, hence no chance for bargains. Oh well
Tonedog
Tone,
"....so the picking must be thin and prices at the upper end, hence no chance for bargains."
No way! There are still 5 girls for every guy, even in high season.
[QUOTE=Tonedog]The only thing is, I will be there in Dec, which means shit-load of other tourists and fellow "hunters", so the picking must be thin and prices at the upper end, hence no chance for bargains. Oh well
Tonedog[/QUOTE]I have read that more P4P ladies are in P4P cities this time of year also.
If that is due to the increased tourism or an end to rice season or better
weather, I cannot say with 100% certainty.
Tone,
You don't have to fear that you will miss out, there will be more than enough to go round.
Reinforcements will be rushed in from every village in the country.
[quote=lama di bali]once again the mongers with a predilection to ****philia cry foul!
it is they, the deviates, who are the victims of laws designed to protect children from men like them.
i have no problems with sex with girls who are old enough to make the decision whether they sell themselves or not.
you can debate the age of consent until you are blue in the face (my country for example it's 16) but don't go trying to tell me an 8 year old is fair game.[/quote]
i normally try not to be critical of other posts, but i really felt the above wasn't helpful at all. i don't recall anyone in this discussion being pro-****philia. what was being discussed was more along the lines of how to avoid **** girls, and, how to avoid customs etc thinking you'd been with **** girls.
asserting that a discussion that touches on ****philia implies that it participants are ****s is not only insulting, but, leaves the impression that there are certain topics that should not be discussed.... the more things are boxed up, not discussed and dissected and hidden from public view, the more scary they become. suppressing discussion of a subject is something we tend to condemn governments for these days - yet, you'd seek to do it voluntarily!
****philia is a real problem. avoiding accidentally becoming a **** (because the girl lies, or through some scam) is a worthy aim. avoiding the appearance of a **** is also a pretty damned handy thing to do if you don't want to get locked up.
i didn't see any claims that an 8 year old is fair game, in fact the tone is one of vehement opposition to that sort of thing. grow up.
[quote=blunderer]i normally try not to be critical of other posts, but i really felt the above wasn't helpful at all. i don't recall anyone in this discussion being pro-****philia. what was being discussed was more along the lines of how to avoid **** girls, and, how to avoid customs etc thinking you'd been with **** girls.
asserting that a discussion that touches on ****philia implies that it participants are ****s is not only insulting, but, leaves the impression that there are certain topics that should not be discussed.... the more things are boxed up, not discussed and dissected and hidden from public view, the more scary they become. suppressing discussion of a subject is something we tend to condemn governments for these days - yet, you'd seek to do it voluntarily!
****philia is a real problem. avoiding accidentally becoming a **** (because the girl lies, or through some scam) is a worthy aim. avoiding the appearance of a **** is also a pretty damned handy thing to do if you don't want to get locked up.
i didn't see any claims that an 8 year old is fair game, in fact the tone is one of vehement opposition to that sort of thing. grow up.[/quote]looking back on what i wrote i can see why someone might think that i tarred all of the contributors with the **** brush. my apologies.
i was pissed that it quickly devolved into a discussion on age of consent, and how to avoid being embarrassed by over zealous customs officers, who, i agree, are not qualified to determine if a girl is under 18 or not.
but i do think that they have enough smarts to know that an 8-year-old is ****.
by the way, unknowingly fucking a girl under the age of consent does not make a man a ****. it may make him a criminal in the eyes of whatever jurisdiction he should find himself in, but not a ****.
a **** is someone who gets his sexual jollies with children.- because they are children, so i repeat my original assertion.
fucking kids is not acceptable. ever.
[QUOTE=Stephen Olson]Picking is thin in Canada. I am glad that there are 5 girls to 1 man in Thailand. How about a vast immigration of just nice beautiful women into Canada would get the girls back home to smarten up a little with their prudish attitudes.[/QUOTE]
Stephen, why don't you just go away?
[quote=lama di bali]looking back on what i wrote i can see why someone might think that i tarred all of the contributors with the **** brush. my apologies.
[/quote]
rarely do people seem to admit to their wrongs these days. apology accepted and kudos to you sir for offering it. i'd tip my hat to you if i was a hat wearing sort of fellow.
[QUOTE=Stephen Olson]Picking is thin in Canada. I am glad that there are 5 girls to 1 man in Thailand. How about a vast immigration of just nice beautiful women into Canada would get the girls back home to smarten up a little with their prudish attitudes.[/QUOTE]
I doubt you could get laid in the Bier Garten at closing time with a $100 bill stuck on your forehead.
[QUOTE=Stephen Olson]Not if the American travelled to Canada. In Canada, the legal age of consent is 14. But greek is forbidden until 18.[/QUOTE]
I do not think this is true. It appears that the Canadian law is irrelevant for the American travelling in Canada. Specifically, this link
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_tourism[/url]
says
[i] Legal issues in the United States
Federal law (see PROTECT Act of 2003) prohibits United States citizens or permanent residents to engage in international travel with the purpose or effect of having commercial sex with a person under the age of 18, or any sex with a person under the age of 16; facilitating such travel is also illegal. Arrests by Immigration and Customs Enforcement are becoming common, however prosecutions under this law are still very rare. [/i]
See also
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_Act_of_2003[/url]
could someone please post one or two links to a full coverage report on [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s in bkk. (or any average blowjob bar for that matter) i'm curious how these blowjob bars work. i always wonder things that i have never heard covered. stuff like do you sit in a chair at a table and the women blows you out in the open, or do you go into a closed booth? how much are they? do all the women blow? what do guys think about having a women who just sucked off a stranger now sucking off them? do they use mouthwash in between? things like that. :) thanks.
Deep,
Let me just say this: Forget about 'specialized' bj bars.
If you want a bj in a bar - ie not in a room - head for Soi 6, Pattaya and gently move the the head of the lady that follows you inside to your crotch. She may be from Isaan and, according to OTH's friends, a bit thick in the head, but believe me, she understands. And soon enough her head is boppin' and your jaw is droppin'.
Has anyone done this? any ideas how possible and how long it would take? Also what taxes would be payable etc
DeepInTexas,
Run a search on a member named NicFrenchy and make sure you change the 'show results as' tab to 'reports'. He has some very detailed recent reports on blow job bars.
[quote=deepintexas]could someone please post one or two links to a full coverage report on [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s in bkk. (or any average blowjob bar for that matter) i'm curious how these blowjob bars work. i always wonder things that i have never heard covered. stuff like do you sit in a chair at a table and the women blows you out in the open, or do you go into a closed booth? how much are they? do all the women blow? what do guys think about having a women who just sucked off a stranger now sucking off them? do they use mouthwash in between? things like that. :) thanks.[/quote]you need to do a search and you can find detailed information.
at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, when you approach, there are alot of girsl sitting outside. if yu do not pick one, one will follow you in. order a beer, she asks you if you want to go up stairs. not sure of the going rate, have not been there only once a while ago. if you do not like the girl, she will offer another to you.
upstairs, curtained off little are, towel down, drop your drawers and she goes to work.
star of light in patpong, similar, but has one or two rooms. slide the door closed.
in pattaya, there are bars where you can sit at the bar and drink a beer, and the girl give you head thru a cu out under the bar.
not sure you question about a girl giving bj to a perfect stranger after she just sucked off another guy. same could be true for any girl you pick up. but from what i remember, yes they do use mouthwash after. most do not swallow, but spit.
[quote=deepintexas]could someone please post one or two links to a full coverage report on [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s in bkk. (or any average blowjob bar for that matter) i'm curious how these blowjob bars work. i always wonder things that i have never heard covered. stuff like do you sit in a chair at a table and the women blows you out in the open, or do you go into a closed booth? how much are they? do all the women blow? what do guys think about having a women who just sucked off a stranger now sucking off them? do they use mouthwash in between? things like that. :) thanks.[/quote]or go to pomp station on soi 13/2 you can get bbbj for 630bt.
[quote=noman2]or go to pomp station on soi 13/2 you can get bbbj for 630bt.[/quote][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s is good, from what i remember it's about 700 baht, i went in and a girl followed me, went upstairs, washed her mouth out, then sucked me off. ended up paying a extra 200 baht and fucked her doggy over the chair while other people were getting bj's behind the curtains etc, kinda weird to be honest, lol
[QUOTE=FreakFunk]Has anyone done this? any ideas how possible and how long it would take? Also what taxes would be payable etc[/QUOTE]I don’t suggest it, if you look on the world map you will see that you have to drive trough to many " trouble making " country’s. Some of my friends have been driving with 4WD’s till China ‘s coast, took a few weeks and have then shipping the car’s back to a Europe port. Told me having to many troubles at the borders with the " carnet ", missing stamps, visa’s and other border corruption.
For the same amount of money that your trip will cost, you can drive in the BKK taxis for years.
The only reason you would do this is because your UK car as also the steering Wheel on the " wrong " side? LOL,
John Euro
Thanks for all the great info guys. Doesn't sound like I'd be suited for getting blown in a bar. Sounds to business like for me. It probable doesn't help that I don't drink much and I imagine it loses a bit of it's charm when your fully sober. :)
I understand that if I spend the year outside of Canada I do not have to pay any taxes there.
If I spent that year split between Thailand and Cambodia and then returned to Canada, how would those former two cuntries make me pay taxes if I never returned there?
Would Canada want to know and make me pay the other two?
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]I understand that if I spend the year outside of Canada I do not have to pay any taxes there.
If I spent that year split between Thailand and Cambodia and then returned to Canada, how would those former two cuntries make me pay taxes if I never returned there?
Would Canada want to know and make me pay the other two?[/QUOTE]
If you still have a residence in Canada, even if you are away for more than a year, you have to pay taxes. In fact, if you have furniture in Canada, even in storage you have to pay taxes. Basically, to avoid taxes in Canada as a Canadian citizen, you have to sever all ties to the country, not even have a bank account. I have nothing in Canada and only pay taxes here.
BTW, Thailand has a tax treaty with Canada, although I think the Thais would be very reluctant to relinquish tax paid here by a Canadian, to Canada.
PP:
Store all your goodies across the line in Point Roberts and fly in and out of SeaTac. Pin a note to your underwear with your Canadian address so that if you get real sick (not Opebo sick, real sick) someone can ship you back to Canada to be looked after.
Just a quick question.
Will most likely be flying with Air Asia into BKK. And as far as I know with this budget airline, as well as others like it, they give you an "e-ticket", meaning just a confirmation number, not an actual paper ticket.
Has anyone experienced any problems at the airport customs when the officer ask "where is your ticket? ", and all you have is just a confirmation number in your head?
In the past I've always purchased an airfare with an actual paper ticket, hence, the enquiry.
Furthermore, if there is no problem with "e-ticket" with the Customs, then in theory, one do not necessarily need an already purchased "return ticket". Meaning. I could buy just a "one-way" ticket into Thailand, then tell the Custom Officer that my "return ticket" is an "e-version", which he/she would have to believe you (I could just spew out some random number/code). Then once in Thailand, I can go and purchase a "one-way" ticket out of Thailand.
Can this be done? Has anyone done it?
Thanks for your feedback.
Tonedog
I use Air Asia for most of my domestic flights in Thailand.
You book online and print your "ticket" or voucher yourself. So you have the paper to show to anyone who ask for it. No problem at all.
Ken
[QUOTE=Tonedog]Just a quick question.
Will most likely be flying with Air Asia into BKK. And as far as I know with this budget airline, as well as others like it, they give you an "e-ticket", meaning just a confirmation number, not an actual paper ticket.
Has anyone experienced any problems at the airport customs when the officer ask "where is your ticket? ", and all you have is just a confirmation number in your head?
In the past I've always purchased an airfare with an actual paper ticket, hence, the enquiry.
Furthermore, if there is no problem with "e-ticket" with the Customs, then in theory, one do not necessarily need an already purchased "return ticket". Meaning. I could buy just a "one-way" ticket into Thailand, then tell the Custom Officer that my "return ticket" is an "e-version", which he/she would have to believe you (I could just spew out some random number/code). Then once in Thailand, I can go and purchase a "one-way" ticket out of Thailand.
Can this be done? Has anyone done it?
Thanks for your feedback.
Tonedog[/QUOTE]
Tone,
Customs won't ask for your ticket. Immigration might. But... Only if you don't have one! Your airline has to report to Thai immigration what kind of ticket you have - that's how immigration know who to ask for a ticket.
If you don't have a round trip ticket you must have a visa from a Thai embassy or consulate (outside Thailand).
E-tickets have a great advantage over paper tickets: You can't lose them. All you have to do is keep the information in your e-mail. You can print out the details if and when you need them.
[QUOTE=Tonedog]Just a quick question.
Will most likely be flying with Air Asia into BKK. And as far as I know with this budget airline, as well as others like it, they give you an "e-ticket", meaning just a confirmation number, not an actual paper ticket.
Has anyone experienced any problems at the airport customs when the officer ask "where is your ticket? ", and all you have is just a confirmation number in your head?
In the past I've always purchased an airfare with an actual paper ticket, hence, the enquiry.
Furthermore, if there is no problem with "e-ticket" with the Customs, then in theory, one do not necessarily need an already purchased "return ticket". Meaning. I could buy just a "one-way" ticket into Thailand, then tell the Custom Officer that my "return ticket" is an "e-version", which he/she would have to believe you (I could just spew out some random number/code). Then once in Thailand, I can go and purchase a "one-way" ticket out of Thailand.
Can this be done? Has anyone done it?
Thanks for your feedback.
Tonedog[/QUOTE]Tonedog,
The only country in asia check for a oneward ticket is indoneasia when I was getting my visa at jakarta airport they ask to see my onward ticket i just show them my copy itenary print out and I travel through out asia only been check once .
I know that airasia warn you about purchase round trip ticket if you purchase on line and might be safe to do that .
Fast eddie 48
Thanks Freeler.
I was thinking maybe just getting a one way tix into Thailand. Reason being, not sure if I want to go and visit Cambo overland, in which case, I will want to fly "out" of Cambo. Hence, not needing a return ticket in my name as I enter LOS.
That's all.
I'm a Canadian, so I get a free stay of 30 days (I believe) in LOS, so I really don't want to spend unnecessary $$$ on a visa, when I'm not even sure of my travel.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Tonedog]Just a quick question.
Has anyone experienced any problems at the airport customs when the officer ask "where is your ticket? ", and all you have is just a confirmation number in your head?
Can this be done? Has anyone done it? [/QUOTE]I have been flying a lot in to BKK without a return ticket not knowing exactly where business would take me from there or when exactly, back to Europe or another destination, I have just returned from BKK to Europe with a one way E ticket I bought in BK, so I came in without. I have been buying over the years many ticket at the famous travel shop in Patong, mainly a round trip ticket from BKK-Europe-and back to BKK, why, great deals, they selling a business class ticket for almost the same price as some flexible economy tickets will cost in Europe, so when I arrive in BKK I have no return ticket. Customs or immigration have never asked me before where my paper ticket was but I agree with the new E tickets and the quick data exchange before arrival from the Airlines they will know (maybe) if you have one or not. You can also fly back out BK with another airline than the one you flew in with and they don’t know that. On the departure card I fill out a day that I think I will leave and I mainly ask for a 2 month stay minimum (standard is 30 day’s), so far no problem.
What could they do up on arrival without a return ticket? Send you back home, don’t think so.
John Euro
[QUOTE=Tonedog]Thanks Freeler.
I was thinking maybe just getting a one way tix into Thailand. Reason being, not sure if I want to go and visit Cambo overland, in which case, I will want to fly "out" of Cambo. Hence, not needing a return ticket in my name as I enter LOS.
That's all.
I'm a Canadian, so I get a free stay of 30 days (I believe) in LOS, so I really don't want to spend unnecessary $$$ on a visa, when I'm not even sure of my travel.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Only problem I have had getting into Thailand was saying I was staying in BKK and not writing the name of my hotel on the entry form. Did get asked by Tiger airways in Singapore if I had an onward ticket out of BKK, I said I did but they did not check.
This question is for Freeler or anyone else who may know:
When I take the third class ('tamada') trains in Isaan they consist of the older carriages, which have comfortable padded seats. However when I have attempted to travel third class out of Bangkok it has been in the third class cars of a train which includes other classes, and this form of third class is truly awful - hard plastic seats close together, like a subway car.
So how about getting the better third class car out of Bangkok? Is it possible? What about if one takes a third-class-only train, if there are such out of Bangkok?
Thanks in advance, I'm trying to plan some trips.
Im setting up a trip to Thailand in 2008 and I was thinking which is the best months to go right now Im looking at between October-November or maybe even earlier like June-August any advice and opinions I would like to hear. Im a DR vet and also have been to Brasil and have been all over Europe when I was in the service. Im looking to make my 1st visit out to Asia and Thailand is the mongering mecca of the East and its time for me to make a pilgramage out there.
Opebo,
BKK-Pilok, dep from BKK at 09.25 (201) and 20.45 (203) have padded seats in some carriages.
The good old Tammadaa trains in the 4** number range don't travel out of BKK anymore.
The commuter trains in the 3**s all have plastic seats, as does the tammadaa to Hua Hin.
Time tables:
[url]http://www.railway.co.th/English/[/url]
[url]http://www.railway.co.th/English/Time_HTML.asp[/url]
Many trains not included!
Bob,
I can't fly out of AMS without the check-in staff checking my visa. Apparently the airline has to pay a hefty fine for passengers without proper visa/tickets. One way ticket requires visa, so does a round trip ticket with return trip outside 30 days. I can't immagine that this would be different for travellers from the US.
Thanks for the information, Freeler. So those schedules on the website (and the paper ones I have) only show trains which connect to Bangkok. There are also various 'ordinary' trains travelling in the hinterlands which do not go there, and those are the good ones, if I understand correctly. And those shedules are not so easy to find out.
Opebo,
The railway folks gladly give out the paper ones with the express and special trains on 'em. Apparently they think that farangs don't want to travel 3rd class. In certain cases that may be so (- think OTH:D. Imagine him gettin' an eyeful of the country side... Oh my Buddha!). You otoh should ask for the ones with trains numbered 300 and 400 on them as well. Trevlig resa!
[QUOTE=Freeler]Opebo,
think OTH:D. Imagine him gettin' an eyeful of the country side... Oh my Buddha[/QUOTE]
LOL
Trust me. I've seen more than enough of the countryside. I've even spent time getting down with the unwashed in an Isaan hovel in some bumfuck village in the middle of nowhere.
What's the attraction?
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
Trust me. I've seen more than enough of the countryside. I've even spent time getting down with the unwashed in an Isaan hovel in some bumfuck village in the middle of nowhere.
What's the attraction?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't know. There are many large towns and a few small cities in Isaan, at least by my demographic schema.
That said, I have been to a few small villages, morlam concerts, and that sort of thing. Not that interesting. Very like small town or rural life in america, though Thailand's rural areas are depopuating rather than already depopulated.
For me the attraction of upcountry are cities like Udon Thani, Khon Kaen, Korat, and Ubon Ratchathani; also big towns like Surin, Sisaket, Buriram, Maha Sarakham, Sakhon Nakhon, and Roiet. In those four cities listed one can have pretty much anything that one has in Bangkok, but at a cooler temperature, and staying in hotels that cost about one quarter as much. Even those smaller towns above can be fun for two or three days.
[QUOTE=Opebo]I wouldn't know. There are many large towns and a few small cities in Isaan, at least by my demographic schema.
That said, I have been to a few small villages, morlam concerts, and that sort of thing. Not that interesting. Very like small town or rural life in america, though Thailand's rural areas are depopuating rather than already depopulated.
For me the attraction of upcountry are cities like Udon Thani, Khon Kaen, Korat, and Ubon Ratchathani; also big towns like Surin, Sisaket, Buriram, Maha Sarakham, Sakhon Nakhon, and Roiet. In those four cities listed one can have pretty much anything that one has in Bangkok, but at a cooler temperature, and staying in hotels that cost about one quarter as much. Even those smaller towns above can be fun for two or three days.[/QUOTE]
Yes. But, by your own admission, one can't make a decent wage there. So, what's the point of living hand to mouth, traveling 3rd class and watching your satang?
The advantage of living in BKK is good accomodation, a variety of things to do, a good infrastructure and good money that allows me to escape anytime and anywhere I want to.
BTW, while I certainly traveled around the country a lot by train and bus in my early years here, I never traveled 3rd class. The tickets were so cheap, I always traveled 1st class. Now I fly everywhere. Although I hate Air Asia. Their motto, "Now Everyone Can Fly" is literally true. So, one is often saddled with sitting next to some granny from Nakhon Nowhere, smelling of pra-ra on her first ever airplane trip. Thankfully, the in-country trips are short.
Of course I would not make any more in Bangkok, OTH, relative to the cost of living. The 'good money' you recieve is not available to most expats.
As for traveling third class, it is far more interesting than any other way. The key is that it is an open carriage - no windows between you and the bucolic vistas or the smells of nature. One may even lean out the windows in stations to buy delicious foods! Some second class sleepers are also open cars, and I often take those.
I certainly would never consider flying anywhere within Thailand - I've been in the boring aluminium tube all too often before, and it holds no charms for me. And first class train tickets are very expensive - usually well over 1,000 baht.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Now I fly everywhere. Although I hate Air Asia. Their motto, "Now Everyone Can Fly" is literally true. So, one is often saddled with sitting next to some granny from Nakhon Nowhere, smelling of pra-ra on her first ever airplane trip. Thankfully, the in-country trips are short.[/QUOTE]
If you hate this socially inferior granny so much, and really desire exclusivity, Mr. Moneybags, don't fly AirAsia - fly Thai or whatever. I've never actually flown AirAsia as one must have a credit card to book the tickets.
Opebo,
OTH hates the country he lives in, he hates the people and he despises the way the vast majority of them live - as do many expats.
Thankfully he makes heaps of money (looking up schoolgirls' skirts...), his friends are all upper class - much like himself - so he has no reason to deal with all that. Which is good for him; he wouldn't know how to deal with that anyway.
[QUOTE=Freeler]Opebo,
OTH hates the country he lives in, he hates the people and he despises the way the vast majority of them live - as do many expats.
Thankfully he makes heaps of money (looking up schoolgirls' skirts...), his friends are all upper class - much like himself - so he has no reason to deal with all that. Which is good for him; he wouldn't know how to deal with that anyway.[/QUOTE]
LOL. Funny. I love you socialists getting down with the common man. Good on ya!
However, don't make assumptions about someone (meaning me) you don't know anything about.
[QUOTE=Opebo]
As for traveling third class, it is far more interesting than any other way. The key is that it is an open carriage - no windows between you and the bucolic vistas or the smells of nature.[/QUOTE]
Well, you're a veritalbe 'Thoreau', aren't you? I grew up in farm country in Canada. I don't need any more "smells of nature", thank you very much. Although, I do like living near the sea which I did here for 4 years. That's where I'll ultimately end up when I retire.
You can have Isaan.
Guys,
Anyone know when the elections are going to be held here? Are mongering places closed during that time?
Appreciate the advise.
Cheers,
Ice
[QUOTE=Freeler]Bob,
I can't fly out of AMS without the check-in staff checking my visa. Apparently the airline has to pay a hefty fine for passengers without proper visa/tickets. One way ticket requires visa, so does a round trip ticket with return trip outside 30 days. I can't immagine that this would be different for travellers from the US.[/QUOTE]I get a visa on arrival 30 days. I never spend more than 3 weeks at a time in the LOS. Also I am not American. Yes Airlnes do get penalised for flying passengers to countries that require visas, if that passenger does not have correct paperwork to enter the country. I always thought Americans can get a visa on arrival?
[QUOTE=Ice Raj]Guys,
Anyone know when the elections are going to be held here? Are mongering places closed during that time?
Appreciate the advise.
Cheers,
Ice[/QUOTE]Ice Raj,
The general elections are on 23.12.2007 . The bars will be closed the day before already, and most likely the same day until midnight. This is how it was last time.
The massage parlours are open, but many girls go to their hometown for the elections.
Giotto
Americans get visa on arrival - yes, it's been that way for years 30 days, no visa necessary. I thought most Europeans got one on arrival, too
opebo - try one of the AFRICAN airlines where your seatmate might be a GOAT (literally - the people in the window seat brought a goat and put it in the middle seat. Ah yes, the smell of the goat...) or maybe a cage of chickens, Usually my decision to fly is based more on conservation of TIME than anything else (being on a time limited trip...)
[QUOTE=Giotto]
The massage parlours are open, but many girls go to their hometown for the elections.
[/QUOTE]
I never realized that MP Ladies were that concerned about democratic ideals. This is very heartening news, and even more reason to patronize ladies who add civic responsibility to their already amazing skills at pleasing their customers.
[QUOTE=Dinghy]Americans get visa on arrival - yes, it's been that way for years 30 days, no visa necessary. I thought most Europeans got one on arrival, too
[/QUOTE]Same, same for the Europeans (EU member countries).
You get the 30 days visa upon arrival.
[QUOTE=Seydlitz]I never realized that MP Ladies were that concerned about democratic ideals. This is very heartening news, and even more reason to patronize ladies who add civic responsibility to their already amazing skills at pleasing their customers.[/QUOTE]Seydlitz,
I knew that this would come from somebody :) ... I don't believe that they are in any way concerned about the democracy, they do this for complete different reasons. One reason is - it's a reason to go home. Another one are the kids, some girls seriously believe that it could have a negative impact on the career of their kids if they don't participate in the elections.
I have observed during the past elections, that at Livingstone's at least 1/3 of the girls go upcountry / home.
Giotto
Yes, yes, yes!
Visa on arrival but ONLY for trips of 30 days or less AND when you're in posession of a RETURN ticket.
I read here that many Farang teachers in LOS make 30G Baht/month.
How does that compare with 7-11 & factory workers in BKK?
[QUOTE=Freeler]Yes, yes, yes!
Visa on arrival but ONLY for trips of 30 days or less AND when you're in posession of a RETURN ticket.[/QUOTE]
I like to have a return ticket when I travel, that's just me. But I have a friend that always buy's his return ticket a couple of days before leaving Thailand. Come to think of it, I flew from Philippines to Kuala Lumpur and on to BKK in May this year on Air Aisa. But don't recall them ever asking me for a return ticket, never been asked by Thai immigration for a return ticket either. Or how long I will be staying in the LOS for that matter.
When I was waiting to get through immigration a couple of weeks ago I got talking to a guy and he takes two to three months at a time starting in Thailand and working his way north so I dare say he didn't have a return ticket on him either. And he has done this for years. I think he is not due home until late January. Maybe it is just the Airlines that you are travelling with?
[QUOTE=Bob Down]I flew from Philippines to Kuala Lumpur and on to BKK in May this year on Air Aisa. But don't recall them ever asking me for a return ticket, never been asked by Thai immigration for a return ticket either. Or how long I will be staying in the LOS for that matter. [/QUOTE]As far as I know, it is the responsibility of the airline to ensure you have a return ticket - if not they get fined or have to bear the cost of flying you out of Thailand if the authorities deem it necessary. The immigration dont seem to check this though. As for Air Asia, when booking a journey to Thailand, you will find that a small pop up appears during the online booking process that basically contains a whole bunch of small print and ensuring you have an onward tocket out of Thailand is in there as a condition of buying the ticket.
[QUOTE=Bob Down]IBut don't recall them ever asking me for a return ticket, never been asked by Thai immigration for a return ticket either. Or how long I will be staying in the LOS for that matter.
I dare say he didn't have a return ticket on him either [/QUOTE]This is actually what I was saying in my report here a few day’s ago, I am a EEC country passport holder and most of the time I enter in to BK from different country’s without a return ticket (or a open), I fill out the date on the departure card I possibly will leave within 30 day’s and I receive a 30 day stay permission, When I want / have to stay longer than 30 day I fill out a date like 6 weeks later than the arrival date and ask immigration a 2 month permission telling them I am not sure because I travel around etc. They never asked for return a ticket or made additional questions, of course when they scanning your passport they see all your records of previous staying time and your actual granted time and I have never overstayed in LOS. (you get a fine per day when overstay). There is a lot of 1 day border crossing with visa runners to create longer staying periods, they will see it on your passport and that’s what Immigration don’t like You can have also up till 90 day at the airport, For EEC countries and few others its actually a "tourist entering permission " you receive and not a real visa. Citizen from most other country’s need a real VISA up on arrival, note: there are new regulations from Oct. 01.
A look at these websites will make things more clear .
[url]http://www.mfa.go.th/web/12.php[/url]
[url]http://www.thai-info.net/info/imigvisa.htm[/url]
To make it clear: " passport holders from 40 countries are not required to obtain a visa when entering Thailand for tourism purposes and will be permitted to stay in the Kingdom for a period of not exceeding 30 days on each visit. Foreigners who enter the Kingdom under the Tourist Visa Exemption category may re-enter and stay in Thailand for a cumulative duration of stay of not exceeding 90 days within any 6-month period from the date of first entry. "
Hope this as been helpful
John Euro
Thanks Giotto, on the election dates and info.
Cheers,
Ice
[QUOTE=L A Guy]As far as I know, it is the responsibility of the airline to ensure you have a return ticket - if not they get fined or have to bear the cost of flying you out of Thailand if the authorities deem it necessary. The immigration dont seem to check this though. As for Air Asia, when booking a journey to Thailand, you will find that a small pop up appears during the online booking process that basically contains a whole bunch of small print and ensuring you have an onward tocket out of Thailand is in there as a condition of buying the ticket.[/QUOTE]
Yes you are right about the pop up, I just tend to skip over that and don't think twice about it as I have no plans to overstay in any country. Another thing I forgot was filling out your departure details on the entry permit, something I do as I have a return ticket. If you do not fill out your departure details I believe immigration will ask for lenght of stay.
[QUOTE=John Euro]
A look at these websites will make things more clear .
[url]http://www.mfa.go.th/web/12.php[/url]
[url]http://www.thai-info.net/info/imigvisa.htm[/url]
To make it clear: " passport holders from 40 countries are not required to obtain a visa when entering Thailand for tourism purposes and will be permitted to stay in the Kingdom for a period of not exceeding 30 days on each visit. Foreigners who enter the Kingdom under the Tourist Visa Exemption category may re-enter and stay in Thailand for a cumulative duration of stay of not exceeding 90 days within any 6-month period from the date of first entry. "
Hope this as been helpful
John Euro[/QUOTE]
Yes I know about the 3 months with 2 visa runs, Freeler was asking the questions and I was just trying to help.
Will write up a few snippets from my last trip shortly, but in the meantime:
Managed to avoid all the 1000Bht taxi touts at the airport, but I couldn't find usual meter taxi stand (down one level at end of departure hall). Seems to have been replaced by minibus / coach service, or did I just miss it?
Took advice from this forum and went to arrivals, and immediately had 2 taxis fighting over me. Agreed 300Bht + tolls and he took off like a bat out of hell. Tempted to give him a tip for fast driving.
Incidentally, had landed about 6. 30am, and there was no major congestion, so arrived at hotel about 8am, and room available straightaway. Can't complain.
[QUOTE=Mouse1]Will write up a few snippets from my last trip shortly, but in the meantime:
Managed to avoid all the 1000Bht taxi touts at the airport, but I couldn't find usual meter taxi stand (down one level at end of departure hall). Seems to have been replaced by minibus / coach service, or did I just miss it?
Took advice from this forum and went to arrivals, and immediately had 2 taxis fighting over me. Agreed 300Bht + tolls and he took off like a bat out of hell. Tempted to give him a tip for fast driving.
Incidentally, had landed about 6. 30am, and there was no major congestion, so arrived at hotel about 8am, and room available straightaway. Can't complain.[/QUOTE]You still overpaid at least 100 Baht as compared to the meter.
Please correct me if I'm wrong!
The taxi stand use to be on the last level, but when I was at the airport in late November I noticed that the taxi stands now have been moved to the mid level ( one level below arrival ). The whole setup was different but there was still a stand and a 50 baht charge slip. I got to Nana in 1/2 hours 65 baht tollway meter indicated 187 baht. Since he was good and fast I gave him 300 baht, since I was splitting it with a buddy.
Please confirm that the taxi stand has moved to the mid-level?
Mouse1,
I arrived on Dec 1st and I also went upstairs to Arrivals. I just ignored the ones who offered fix prices , went to the next ans asked 'Meter?' and he argeed.
Those taxi guys can't stay there long time , as there are cops arround. If they don't agree to use meter , they have to drive back to Bangkok without passenger.
Fare was 190 B , plus 65 toll .
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]...Please confirm that the taxi stand has moved to the mid-level?[/QUOTE]LittleBigMan,
That is correct.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]You still overpaid at least 100 Baht as compared to the meter.[/QUOTE]Yes, and I gave the bell boy 50Bht tip. And I gave the free hotel tuctuc guy 40Bht. Yesterday the shoeshine boy 'didn't have change' so I lost 10Bht. The waiter at Vertigo lent gf his jacket so I gave him 100Bht tip. Couldn't be bothered to haggle at Chatuchak over small trinket - another 20Bht.
Add them all up and in the course of 4 days I easily overspent by Ł10 at the very least.
Not sure why there is confusion re where to get a taxi....i landed around 2 pm on a sunday afternoon couple of weeks ago, walked lesiurely out of customs and 'followed' the taxi signs at the same level, got on line, told dispatcher Soi 33 sukhumvit, told driver take Rama IX route and 20 minutes later checked into G's place?
Is the taxi toll price always the same for the two tolls or does it change depending on the time one goes through the tolls? The taxi drivers seem to want to hide the toll charge from you. And maybe add a bit on to it.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Not sure why there is confusion re where to get a taxi....i landed around 2 pm on a sunday afternoon couple of weeks ago, walked lesiurely out of customs and 'followed' the taxi signs at the same level, got on line, told dispatcher Soi 33 sukhumvit, told driver take Rama IX route and 20 minutes later checked into G's place?[/QUOTE]
Then they must have just moved it a couple of weeks ago - because it's now at mid level, and there are no signs, as of Nov. 28
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Then they must have just moved it a couple of weeks ago - because it's now at mid level, and there are no signs, as of Nov. 28[/QUOTE]Who needs signs? Simple, follow staircase upstairs to departures. Walk outside and jump straight into any of the taxis who have just dropped off and enjoy a metered journey with no need to queue and none of these silly 50bht surcharges. At the most, the driver may haggle a price, but so long as you have an idea, it will still be cheaper than the rank.
Sid
[QUOTE=Redfield10]Is the taxi toll price always the same for the two tolls or does it change depending on the time one goes through the tolls? The taxi drivers seem to want to hide the toll charge from you. And maybe add a bit on to it.[/QUOTE]
Not sure what you are worried about most taxi drivers will ask you to pay for the toll up front, and the girls at the toll booth will give them a receipt. Again most taxi drivers then give that receipt to you with the charge clearly marked on it. All you need to remember is that there are two toll charges. One is 40 baht and the other is 25 baht, and if you are really lucky you'll get a taxi that knows how to get around the tolls without much difference to the meter.
I say if a taxi is willing to use the meter give him a tip, give those other guys nothing more than the agreed price.
I asked a taxi driver once would he lose money once the BTS Skytrain to the airport was up and running. He just laughed and said that there was always farang willing to give him there money.
[QUOTE=SidTheSexist]Who needs signs? Simple, follow staircase upstairs to departures.
[/QUOTE]You mean 'arrivals', I think?
Departures is correct, think about it.
[QUOTE=Mouse1]You mean 'arrivals', I think?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Run Mann]Departures is correct, think about it.[/QUOTE]You're right of course. Just me being stupid :-(
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Then they must have just moved it a couple of weeks ago - because it's now at mid level, and there are no signs, as of Nov. 28[/QUOTE]
Hmmmmm....I landed Sunday Nov 18th and got taxi on same level. Meter said B175 to Livingstone, B50 surcharge from airport, gave driver total B250 and he was satisfied.
If you are new to mongering a small piece of advice.
Has she had a child?
Is she separated or divorced with abit of paper to prove it.
How old is she? She tells you 25 but her ID card says 32!!!!! ( This year is 2550)
Has she paid someone to post her internet profile.
How good is "speaks English a little"
Check you are speaking to the girl you think you are.
Never send money
10000bht for one month + board and lodging is about right.
The odd gift is OK.and expected.
Anymore is madness. Most with poor jobs get much less than that.
Is she a she or had surgery?
Where does she live? With mother her boyfriend in digs etc..
How many dependants does she have.
When you meet her assume she is pregnant and get her on the pill if you want to ride bareback. The pill a low dose one is ok to start with a nd she should start on the firt day of her period. watch her take the pill each day until you can?trust her.
Tell her all this in advance and hget her to agree or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off.
There are thousands looking for Mr Right.
Oh yes Mr Right means the one she can fleece the most.
The uglier the safer but they want chilkdren and a yellow band on her finger.
ME I'm not married, I rent my house, I own my pickup, I keep my cards to my chest when possible. I;m having a great time. I fuck the young thing every day, which she likes and I'm over 60.
What have I missed here?
Any Questions?
Lock up valuables,She could leave in the night with all you have.
[QUOTE=Ham Yai]If you are new to mongering a small piece of advice.
Has she had a child?
Is she separated or divorced with abit of paper to prove it.
How old is she? She tells you 25 but her ID card says 32!!!!! ( This year is 2550)
Has she paid someone to post her internet profile.
How good is "speaks English a little"
Check you are speaking to the girl you think you are.
Never send money
10000bht for one month + board and lodging is about right.
The odd gift is OK.and expected.
Anymore is madness. Most with poor jobs get much less than that.
Is she a she or had surgery?
Where does she live? With mother her boyfriend in digs etc..
How many dependants does she have.
When you meet her assume she is pregnant and get her on the pill if you want to ride bareback. The pill a low dose one is ok to start with a nd she should start on the firt day of her period. watch her take the pill each day until you can?trust her.
Tell her all this in advance and hget her to agree or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off.
There are thousands looking for Mr Right.
Oh yes Mr Right means the one she can fleece the most.
The uglier the safer but they want chilkdren and a yellow band on her finger.
ME I'm not married, I rent my house, I own my pickup, I keep my cards to my chest when possible. I;m having a great time. I fuck the young thing every day, which she likes and I'm over 60.
What have I missed here?
Any Questions?
Lock up valuables,She could leave in the night with all you have.[/QUOTE]
GAWD! I just wonder; to what type of Thai girl are you referring?
[QUOTE=Ham Yai]If you are new to mongering a small piece of advice. . .
Any Questions?
Lock up valuables,She could leave in the night with all you have.[/QUOTE]Also, learn to sleep with one eye open, like Tarzan.
Or, maybe just stick to bargirls until you've spent a bit of time here; you can't expect to be able to sort wheat from chaff without a reasonable amount of linguistic and cultural knowledge. Guys who get burnt here generally fall into two categories: honest suckers and would-be con artists feigning affection toward (apparently) decent women so as to get freebies. It takes a fair amount of study and experience to be a proper shitheel in one's treatment of the women here, and newbies should leave such contemptible behavior to the experts.
Greetings! I am a new monger to the board and have never been to Asia before. Have read much of the Thailand forums and a good number of Singapore postings. I am leaning toward going on vacation to Bangkok to monger, but I just conducted some crazy calculations tonight comparing Singapore to Bangkok (I probably would like the CITY of Singapore better than Bangkok) and came up with a somewhat surprising conclusion. I threw in some guesstimate numbers for both locations as to the cost of mongering and am now very surprised that Singapore appears to be cost-competitive with Bangkok as far as mongering costs are concerned. Please review the following and let me know where I may have gone wrong so that I can have a sense of how accurate I have been and whether I should strongly consider going to Singapore. I am willing to pay a small premium to go to Singapore but not if it is overly expensive. My guess on Bangkok is for the ladies in the Soi 33 area, good looking, inexperienced negotiation, speaking only English and includes the barfine.
ST = 2000-3000 Baht in BKK 80-120 SGD in Singapore (OT, perhaps)
LT = 4000-5000 Baht in BKK 200-250 SGD in Singapore (OT perhaps)
Is it fair to compare Soi 33 area with Orchard Towers? In any event, here is the translation to USD:
ST= 65-100 USD in Bangkok or approx. 60-85 USD in Singapore
LT= 133-166 USD in Bangkok or approx. 142-175 USD in Singapore
Let the fireworks begin and thanks again for all your suggestions, corrections, and even your loyalties! :-)
Sincerely,
Michael
Hoboken, your Bangkok prices are about double the going rates. I have never in my life paid over 1500 for ST there, and generally spend 1000-1200 with the occassional 800 in the mix.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Hoboken, your Bangkok prices are about double the going rates. I have never in my life paid over 1500 for ST there, and generally spend 1000-1200 with the occassional 800 in the mix.[/QUOTE]
Point of clarification. Hoboken said Soi 33. Member#2041 you will be hard pressedto find the prices you quote on 33 and as experienced as you are I expect you would know that and just missed that HOBOKEN specificially said 33 girls.
Bar Fines on 33 are about 1,000 on up. Girls will ask for 4,000 on up on 33 for LT.
HOBOKEN, just cuz girls work on 33 does not mean they speak english, does not mean they are inexperienced (I would bet majority of them have danced the pole someplace sometime) and they sure as heck know how to hussle for drinks and such. And some of the hottest girls I've seen are not on 33. Don't get me wrong there are some great ladies on 33 but you put some make up on a beer garden girl, put her in a dress, teach her some basic words and she's a 33 girl.
Maybe nicer settings on 33, I do think the bars are nicer and more relaxed and laid back but by no means are they upscale bars, maybe higher end clientel, but by no means the high end clientel in BKK, but by no means does 33 girls mean they are better then Beer Garden or such.
And I say this as a person who enjoys 33 and hangs there often.
800 - 1,500 for short time is found all over BKK in my experience, from Nana to Cowboy to just about everywhere EXCEPT 33.
[QUOTE=Hoboken Michael]My guess on Bangkok is for the ladies in the Soi 33 area, good looking, inexperienced negotiation, speaking only English and includes the barfine.[/QUOTE]
Why are you limiting this to Soi 33??? And I repeat, if you think Soi 33 girls are inexperienced negotiation then you can get fleeced by them.
And again, I enjoy and frequent 33.
Hoboken... just re-read your post, you've never been to BKK. Singapore is more expensive city to me, my airfare, my hotel, my food and such is much higher then BKK. I'm sure I could find better but work pays things and just the receipts I have from Singapore are huge.
BKK is cheaper for me, even serviced apartments are cheap in BKK and other hotels are very cheap from western standards and much higher class and standards. I find Thai girls friendly and nice and enjoyable, rarely do you not have a GFE in thai.
You can not go wrong in either place but you really should join up here at ISG and read more about BKK. If you join up you can PM folks and ask questions and get advice. BKK is so many options for mongering that Soi 33 is only one tiny small section compared to what is out there.
Hoboken Michael stated that he had never been to Asia before. So I simply assumed that he has no knowledge of the local market, and naively selected prices from one venue, Soi 33, as being representative, when they are nothing of the sort.
My Bangkok prices of 1000-1500 with the occassional 800 for ST are representative of the market overall. It is meaningless if not downright misleading to pick one of the few venues where prices are anomalously high in Bangkok and use them as a basis for comparison with anywhere else. Especially when the person doing the picking has acknowledged that they have never even been to Asia before, and thus he has no concept of whether the premium for the specific area he chose has any qualitative basis.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Hoboken Michael stated that he had never been to Asia before. So I simply assumed that he has no knowledge of the local market, and naively selected prices from one venue, Soi 33, as being representative, when they are nothing of the sort.[/QUOTE]
Yup, just corrected the other post as I saw that too. Soi 33 is definitely not a good representation of what is found in BKK.
[QUOTE=Hoboken Michael]...
Is it fair to compare Soi 33 area with Orchard Towers? In any event, here is the translation to USD:
...
[/QUOTE]Hoboken Michael,
Long long time ago I lived in Singapore, for more than 3 years, and I still (have to) go there at least once every 3 month. I also know Soi 33 a bit :).
Soi 33 in Bangkok has NOTHING in common with the Singapore Orchard Tower Bars. Since Top Ten is closed you can basically forget the Orchard Tower Bars. Ipanema is good for a drink, but I rarely see an attractive girl there.
The prices in Singapore are much higher than even in Soi 33, and the Soi 33 prices are higher than elsewhere in Bangkok. You can better compare the Spasso / CM2 / Hard Rock Cafe girls with those running around in Orchard Tower Singapore.
In Soi 33 you can find some nice Thai women. Some. Not too many, but some. And they are worth those Singapore prices, believe me.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Hoboken Michael]Greetings! I am a new monger to the board and have never been to Asia before. Have read much of the Thailand forums and a good number of Singapore postings.
Michael[/QUOTE]You received already some good comments from other brothers on this but you can’t compare apples with oranges, SIN is a big difference with BK and not only city wise about the cleanness and the traffic but mainly about your question on P4P and nightlife.
I can tell you that from my experience in the past at SIN, it’s more expensive than BK in every way and your calculation or comparison on girls does not make much sense, the chose and way to monger in BK is easier, I understand its difficult to get a picture of the scene if you have never been in Asia. My last time in SIN is more than a year ago but I have been there often over the years mainly for business with sufficient spare time to monger, flying from SIN in to BKK was for me like arriving in men’s haven beside the fact that I like SIN.
Singapore: few massage parlours or BBS with a HJ, I used to have massage in 5 star hotels with HJ but that’s all over now. I would not go there for a holiday, so what else to do? A stop over and maybe for some shopping but HKG is better and cheaper now. Girls & quality, all kind of nationality’s if that is where you are looking for and real Singaporeans are great looking girls. 90% from the P4P game is picking up a girls at a nightclubs or few at Orchard Rd and take them to your room, it takes time, discussing and bargaining, a hit or miss. 10% is escort, good quality company’s, I had some stunning escorts in my room there for a fair or low price acc. To Intl. Standards. I don’t know the today’s pricing for P4P but it hasn’t been surly not going down.
Bangkok:
Lots of massage parlours at every level and pricing with good quality and great looking girls even at the lower end for a lot less money, you get extra’s everywhere till FS and 4 hands, except at 4 or 5 star Spa’s, many bars to pick up the girls not only Soi 33, hundred of soapys to chose from (see Mick his new list), just fulfil all your dreams here. BK is without any doubt the best place so far, beside a few Russian or Chinese every girl is pure Thai talent and provides a great service, just RTTF a bit and you will be convinced.
John Euro
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It seems that prostitution in LOS is as much an institution as eating food,
and not only for farangs:
"Thai Government Support For Prostitution
"Support of prostitution is pervasive in political circles, as the BBC News reported in 2003 that "MPs from Thailand's ruling Thai Rak Thai Party are getting hot under the collar over plans by the party leadership to ban them from having mistresses or visiting brothels"..."One MP told The Nation newspaper that if the rules were enforced, the party would only be able to field around 30 candidates, compared to its more than 200 sitting MPs."[7]
"Attitudes towards women can be described by MP Thirachai Sirikhan, informing The Nation newspaper, "To have a mia noi (mistress) is an individual's right. There should be no problem as long as the politician causes no trouble to his family or society".[7] Having many wives was a common attribute of Thai culture in the past, but because prostitution is so pervasive a common attitude among women is that they expect their husbands to cheat, and don't believe them if they deny it.
"Both politicians and police has been supporting and indulging in the prostitution industry openly. Tavich, a veteran politician at 76 years was under fire in 2005 for impregnating a 14 year old girl, who worked across the street from the congressional building.[8]
"After a police raid on some Bangkok parlours where policemen had sex with prostitutes, "Acting Suthisan Police chief Colonel Varanvas Karunyathat defended the police action, saying that the (police) officers involved needed to have sex with the masseuses to gain evidence for the arrest."[9] Apparently, this is standard practice as a separate police force did the same in Pattaya in May 2007.[5]
"Even more evidence of politicians supporting prostitution industry and the sexual habits of elderly Thai men in general is how Viagra is being given to elderly voters in exchange for their votes in an election drive.[10] The general attitude of Thai politicians towards the sex industry can be inferred by the incident where an unidentified member of the Cabinet who had a penis enlargement was called upon to support a lawsuit. When asked to inspect one by one the Cabinet members to find out who did it, Deputy Public Health Minister Anutin Charnveerakul implied jokingly to reporters that all of the male Cabinet members have had the operation at one time or another, so it would be impossible to know. [11]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand#Thai_Government_Support_For_Prostitution[/url]
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Why the fuck should PinkPearl's post on out-of-date news reports from the BBC get an ROD? Will the numbnut administrators turn off the auto-pilot on that stupid blue print at the bottom and in the future reserve it only for truly worthy posts? Better yet. Get rid of it. RODs are meaningless and stupid.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] Better yet. Get rid of it. RODs are meaningless and stupid.[/QUOTE]
Many posters have echoed these same sentiments but like many other threads on this board you have to read through them to find the real informative ones.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Why the fuck should PinkPearl's post on out-of-date news reports from the BBC get an ROD? Will the numbnut administrators turn off the auto-pilot on that stupid blue print at the bottom and in the future reserve it only for truly worthy posts? Better yet. Get rid of it. RODs are meaningless and stupid.[/QUOTE]
OTH,
Pink's report did not get an "ROD." It was only recommended for one. 99% of Jackson's recommendations are completely ignored, and the fact is that the overwhelming majority of reports that do get ROD's have not been recommended by Jackson, but linked the the ROD thread by discriminating members. The system works.
(Edit) Oops, I just noticed that Runn Man did give Pink's report an ROD, but, of course that was done just to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you off -- not because there is anything distinctive about the report. Why clog up a good thread just for spite I cannot figure out.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]OTH,
(Edit) Oops, I just noticed that Runn Man did give Pink's report an ROD, but, of course that was done just to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you off -- not because there is anything distinctive about the report. Why clog up a good thread just for spite I cannot figure out.[/QUOTE]
You should be able to figure this out quite easily but since you cannot, I will help. Jackson's definition of a ROD is certainly different from the general (senior) membership of this board. A (ROD) report only has to be longer that a standard post and have some information that someone will find useful, by that definition Obepo's post about a 300B BB/anal hooker could be given a ROD and Pinkpearl's post also met the requirement per the board rules.
In terms of clogging up a good thread, where have you been? The biggest culprit that clogs up board is the aforementioned OTH. He goes on and on about Hi-so girls, how he does not date P4P, all the contacts he has, he is the most knowledgeable poster about Thailand and how much he hates Issan dark skin girls and how he only likes the light/yellow skin girls/how much better he has it than most. He even recently admitted that he post reports to get a simply to get a rise out of some posters. If that isn't clogging up the board with redundant crap, what is? Hey where is The Traveller? We need his consistent arguing/posting to counter some of this stuff.
[QUOTE=Run Mann]You should be able to figure this out quite easily but since you cannot, I will help. Jackson's definition of a ROD is certainly different from the general (senior) membership of this board. A (ROD) report only has to be longer that a standard post and have some information that someone will find useful, by that definition Obepo's post about a 300B BB/anal hooker could be given a ROD and Pinkpearl's post also met the requirement per the board rules. [/QUOTE]
Oh, I think I've got it figured out all right and therefore I really don't need your help, but if you know so much, why don't you tell us why some of the very best reports by senior members such as Mick Licker, Evil Penevil, Poster Lion, Nic Frenchy, The Traveller, and yes, especially OTH, (probably the most knowledgeable person on this board when talking about Thailand), and many others who contribute great reports loaded with useful information do not get a ROD recommendation from Jackson, but instead are linked to the ROD thread by discriminating members who know what is good and want isn't?
Why, if what you say is true, does Jackson never recommend an ROD for any of Opebo's, or That Asshole's fine informative and entertaining reports? The fact is that Jackson has a habit of recommending lots of mediocre stuff for the ROD thread and then no one bothers to link the crap there until you (much to my surprise) did it today?
[QUOTE=Daddy07]Oh, I think I've got it figured out all right and therefore I really don't need your help[/QUOTE]
Are you really that slow or is it your old age? The posts Jackson recommends are mostly those of Regulars members whose reports he moderates. He also uses an program that recommends most reports that appear to be a few paragraph in length. However I have seen some senior member posts that Jackson has recommended although he does not moderate them. If he did a lot of stuff on this thread would be deleted/edited, perhaps this dialogue would be included.
Obvioulsy you don't have it figure out as you claim since you are still asking elementary questions. Again, because you missed this part too, Jackson's ROD classification is not the same as most posters, so your suprize is not suprizing, keep cheering!
[QUOTE=Run Mann]Are you really that slow or is it your old age? The posts Jackson recommends are mostly those of Regulars members whose reports he moderates. He also uses an program that recommends most reports that appear to be a few paragraph in length. However I have seen some senior member posts that Jackson has recommended although he does not moderate them. If he did a lot of stuff on this thread would not be deleted/edited, perhaps this dialogue would be included.
Obvioulsy you don't have it figure out as you claim since you are still asking elementary questions. Again, because you missed this part too, Jackson's ROD classification is not the same as most posters, so your suprize is not suprizing, keep cheering![/QUOTE]
Well, If I'm slow then you aren't moving forward at all since you have not told me anything about Jackson or his methods I didn't already know and you've not explained why he almost never recommends the best reports for an ROD.
You can't seem to answer even the elementary questions you are whining about. The last sentence of your first paragraph, for example ... what the fuck are you talking about? You can't even put a sentence together correctly let alone explain the fine points of the ROD thread. Perhaps when you get a little older like me you'll be a bit wiser and hopefully more articulate.
Of course Jackson's classification for an ROD is not the same for most posters. Thats the point, isn't it? And it's also the problem with the ROD thread. Can you get your tiny mind around that thought?
Daddy, Run Mann, you guys are boring. Take it to the fight club.
Nobody gives a shit about Jackson's ROD suggestions. they are more than probably automatically generated anyway.
thanks.
[QUOTE=Daddy07] but instead are linked to the ROD thread by discriminating members who know what is good and want isn't?
[/QUOTE]
Does a typo make you inarticulate? If so join the club. Btw, the word "not" should not have been in my last sentence you referenced, it was a typo.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]Well, If I'm slow then you aren't moving forward at all since you have not told me anything about Jackson or his methods I didn't already know and you've not explained why he almost never recommends the best reports for an ROD.
[/QUOTE]
If you were aware of the ROD process why did you bother to ask? The only whining is coming from you about puzzlement/objection of the RODs and the one I gave the poster. Obviously senility is in full effect with you old timer so I will not repeat myself. If you don’t get it, I sure it won’t be the last time in your advance years this happens.
You are exactly what Pattaya needs, another old angry expat with a temper drifting around town, you will fit right in handsum man.
[QUOTE=Run Mann] You are exactly what Pattaya needs, another old angry expat with a temper drifting around town, you will fit right in handsum man.[/QUOTE]
1Ball is right. This is boring. And I don't like to fight. So you can have the last word.
Enjoy,
Daddy
Ive been thinking of going to thailand for some time now. What has been keeping me from going is the 17 hour flight from new york city.
Can anyone give me a suggestion on how I can break up my flying time? I thought I could spend one night in amsterdam at an airport hotel. However after looking at expedia.com it seems to be 19 hrs away.
I have sleeping pills and all that but I still dont think I could last 17 hours.
Thank you. Im a latin america person who knows nothing about asia.
Artisttyp
Flight time from London is about 12 hours, so Amsterdam should be the same or less. If it is quoted as longer there must be a stopover.
That's 2 or 3 films, read a few magazines, eat, drink, sleep. Time flies...
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Ive been thinking of going to thailand for some time now. What has been keeping me from going is the 17 hour flight from new york city.
Can anyone give me a suggestion on how I can break up my flying time? I thought I could spend one night in amsterdam at an airport hotel. However after looking at expedia.com it seems to be 19 hrs away.
I have sleeping pills and all that but I still dont think I could last 17 hours.
Thank you. Im a latin america person who knows nothing about asia.
Artisttyp[/QUOTE]
If I were going to Thailand for the first time, I probably wouldn't sleep. I would be too crazy with anticipation.
That said, maybe you are a smoker, which is why you want break up the trip? my advice is to go the most direct route, and chew on some gum. ( i am not a smoker, but I know 17 hours can be a killer if you want a fix).
Or maybe that is not the reason. Regardless, 17 hours non stop, versus 7 hours to AMS then overnight, then 12 hours to BKK. No brainer. Or you could fly Turkish airlines. Istanbul has to be pretty much the half way mark.
[QUOTE=Mouse1]Flight time from London is about 12 hours, so Amsterdam should be the same or less. If it is quoted as longer there must be a stopover.
That's 2 or 3 films, read a few magazines, eat, drink, sleep. Time flies...[/QUOTE]
Ok that helps. Would you recommend a specific airlines from amsterdam ?
Thanks again. I will now rtff.
Artisttyp
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Ok that helps. Would you recommend a specific airlines from amsterdam ?
Artisttyp[/QUOTE]
SQ (#25?) flies to Singapore in 12 hours so any non-stop from there to Bkk should be about the same - check with your local TA or go on-line, no?
Artisttyp,
AMS-BKK
China Airlines:
14.25-07.10 (mext morning) - fly time 10 hrs 45 mins
EVA:
appr 12.00-05.00 (next morning) - fly time appr 11 hrs
BKK-AMS
CAL(=China Airlines): 02.40-09.00 (same day)
EVA: 03.00-09.30 (same day)
For me, EVA arrives in BKK too early in the morning and they carry a 'lower' class of people. Flew them once, will never do so again! But if I were in your situation, I would try to limit stop-over time as much as possible and they might work!
KLM sucks even more. I wouldn't let them fly my dead parrot:(!
SAS and Finnair may fly the shortest routes (Nordic hubs) but don't appear to connect well. SAS requires two stop overs (Copenhagen and Stockholm). Finnair fly New York-Helsinki and Helsinki-Bangkok, but they don't list the combined journey on their website.
Should you need a hotel near AMS, might I suggest (strongly recommend!) Haarlem? PM for details if needed.
Well, I hope this adds to your confusion:).
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Ok that helps. Would you recommend a specific airlines from amsterdam?
Artisttyp[/QUOTE]Good flights and good rates from AMS to BKK are China Airlines and EVA airlines direct to BKK , EVA as a semi buss. Class with big seats for a few 100$ more , KLM will be to expensive and Singapore air as a stop over, look also at a Frankfurt stop over if you really want to travel via Europe.
I have been flying in to USA from BKK and SIN to San Francisco why not flying to BKK with a connection JFK (or stop over) in LAX or SFO ?
John Euro
I appreciate everyones help..thank you. Yes I am familiar with haarlem and amsterdam in general.
I guess china air sounds good. I couldnt understand what the other initials stood for but I could probably figure it out.
Ill get back to the forum when I do my homework.
Thanks again,
Artisttyp
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Ive been thinking of going to thailand for some time now. What has been keeping me from going is the 17 hour flight from new york city.
[/QUOTE]
I fly trans pacific for work about every month and I can tell you two things:
1) drugs... valium or ambien or such, pop a pill and you can be asleep for 8 hours and that really helps if you are a smoker, almost any doctor will prescribe for long haul trips. And even if you are not a smoker if you have the long haul flights you can have a nice long sleep.
2) Noise Cancelling Headphones... bose are name brand but Able planet are better sound quality however audio technica block out the most noise and are the cheapest, others like panasonic and what you get at sam's club or such stink. Put those on with your MP3 player with something soothing that you can rest to and it blocks out all children, engine, FA's, etc...
I wake up rested and ready to go.... Don't let the flight stop you from going.
[QUOTE=Freeler]Artisttyp,
For me, EVA arrives in BKK too early in the morning and they carry a 'lower' class of people. Flew them once, will never do so again! .[/QUOTE]Watch who you are calling "lower".
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I appreciate everyones help..thank you. Yes I am familiar with haarlem and amsterdam in general.
I couldnt understand what the other initials stood for but I could probably figure it out.
Artisttyp[/QUOTE]In addition to Artisttyp his question on initials he could not figure out. This site can be very helpful for everybody flying around the globe – site with all airport and airline codes + flight time between airports etc .
[url]http://www.airportcitycodes.com/aaa/CCDBFrame.html[/url]
With pleasure
John Euro
Freeler,
Like other things everyone has a opinion on everything. I have traveled on Northwest, Eva, China, Cathay, United, Singapore, Thai, and it really depends on the city that it is departing and connecting from. Two years ago I went to Thailand for San Francisco on Cathay ( voted the number 1 Airline in the world ) as you know that would be SFO/HKG/BKK, going was no problem, but returning I took the last flight out of BKK/HKG/SFO, (11:30am) the flight was late into BKK, which had me worry because the connection to SFO from HKG was real short! When I boarded I noticed that this flight was from India and the back was nearly full! It was already 1/2 pass the departure time and everyone was standing or roaming around the airplane. I got up and went to the back to ask the attendant when do we plan to leave? Passengers were standing outside the back galley having beer and waiting for the bathroom and many didn't have their shoes or socks on! When the flight was departing people was still roaming around I never in my 30 years in the Airline industry saw anything like this and to top that when I went to the bathroom in the back the floor was flooded with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] but the Indian passengers didn't care they came in and out without shoes or socks. The Fight attendants didn't give a shit or they just gave up. I too and since have never booked another flight on Cathay. I just let my 75,000 miles expire last year!
Since gave up on Northwest, just couldn't stand going thru Narita and another 6.5 hours to BKK way to long. Since then for the last year I have been traveling on Eva, people seem o.k. they don't seem too low to me? Now that I have figure out their system I usually book on a heavy flight in coach and they will upgrade you to Deluxe coach for free to free up the oversold coach, if you carry a Silver card. Most people who travel on Eva out of SFO are usually in large groups and aren't member of their miles club.
So far Eva has been good to me!
LBM,
It's obvious that the team up of KLM and Northwest has done either airline any good:(.
You might have cracked the bad smelling Indians conundrum. O jeez, did I say something that pisses some people off:)?
Lord,
I watched them and decided that they were the lowest class of traveling drunks I ever encountered. I haven't met a lower class of travelers since. The folks at Pattaya's The Dog Bollocks are extremely well behaved compared to the human waste on that EVA flight. Satisfied?
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Freeler,
Since then for the last year I have been traveling on Eva, people seem o.k. they don't seem too low to me? Now that I have figure out their system I usually book on a heavy flight in coach and they will upgrade you to Deluxe coach for free to free up the oversold coach, if you carry a Silver card. Most people who travel on Eva out of SFO are usually in large groups and aren't member of their miles club.
So far Eva has been good to me![/QUOTE]I have over 500,000 miles with EVA. I have never seen any "drunks" on any of the flights that I have been on. Mostly just people going to TPE to go home, or to SFO to visit folks, little old grannies and the like. In all of the flights that I have been on, there has been only one cancellation, and I cannot recall them ever being over 15 min late, usually they are early. In my experience the airline bends over backwards to take care of their "regular" customers, even if we are low class
AVOID!
Sid
I once flew China Air from BKK to Newark with a stop in TPE and another in Anchorage. Just about every passenger had a wheeled carry-on, and each of them ran over my feet with it at least once during the trip, and those who didn't had the chance to make up for it while hanging around the luggage carousel in EWK. As far as no-class people on an airline flight goes, that was it for me. The hicks in the hinterlands of Thailand have more class when riding in rickety buses.
On an Eva flight I once had some Filipino guy in a down parka sitting next to me and I was ready to strangle the bastard after three minutes, his jacket rubbing against me whenever he moved, but I managed to find an empty row all to myself in the back of the plane. Nice looking flight crew, too. You get a lot of Filipinos doing the trans-Pacific leg on Eva.
So you will lose 2 days of Thailand because of the stop-overs roughly right?
My guess is, you will regret it once back home.
If you could fly from the West Coast of the USA like SFO, and plot a direct flight from SFO or LAX to BKK you will see a plane would have to fly over North Korea and much of China which is not allowed. All flights entering asian air space when flying to BKK have to avoid North Korea and skirt China. China is too paranoid about the West snapping spy photos. WHen I did a checked the shortest path from SFO-HKG-BKK vs SFO-NRT-BKK I saw only an 8 mile difference. In reality the SFO to HGK will be longer because the later half of the direct flight would have to fly over China. The requirement of skirting China makes the flight longer than the option of connecting thru Narita. The real issue with these flights is the time the Airline departs from SFO and whether ones likes a 14 hour 3 hour flight vs a 10 hour and 7 hour split. The Asian bases airlines depart just after midnight and land at noon while the US based airlines fly around 1pm and and land at BKK at 11 pm.
The NRT to BKK flights are usually closer to 7 hours.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Freeler,
Since gave up on Northwest, just couldn't stand going thru Narita and another 6.5 hours to BKK way to long.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SidTheSexist]AVOID!
Sid[/QUOTE]Who is China Air? If you mean China Airlines (Taiwan), then yes avoid. Air China (PRC) is ok.
I fly China airlines avery month.
I think they are great.
I mentioned them through sheer frustration over the multiple times I have used them to fly PEK>BKK. Hopefully their long haul jumbo's aren't as bad but I wouldn't like to test it on my own expense.
I will also wind my neck out here and say that travelling on a plane full of chinese has got to go down as one of my least memorable travel experiences ever.
[QUOTE=Lord Farquard]Watch who you are calling "lower".[/QUOTE]Lord,
I have to agree with freeler I fly eva air a few time from US to BKK ,Tawianese are rude and loud and they have short temper I saw 2 guy in front of me got in to a flight about little thing .
I prefer to fly with Singapore air or Cathay Pacific stop in HKG and easy connection with much better service.
Fast eddie 48
Airlines,
When it comes to airlines getting together in a code share agreement whether we like it or not and whether it seems to benefit each airline the reality it does or they wouldn't continue the agreement. The estimates after the 1st year with USAirways and United code share agreement and this came out of of the corporate office of US Airways was that they made 250 million from this agreement the first year. In SFO, They spend over a million dollars a year contracting a bus company to transport passengers to and from the US Airways terminal to the United.
I think we can all agree that there is a big difference in service between the U.S. base airlines and Asian Airlines. I flew NW, because I had a friend that worked for them and was able to get cheap fares and upgrade to Business class when I traveled but when they went into bankruptcy that all ended. Going thru Narita was always a pain in the ass because the security lines were so long. They seem to be the only country that turn up the screeners to maximum voltage that it picks up everything including your pubic hair! and when you finally depart on NW to BKK on their schedule time you were stuck on the tar mat for 45 minutes prior to take off. Just too much!
Eva, out of SFO, gives me a shorter wait and have 2 flights to BKK, back to back ( 8:30/9:20) gets me into BKK at 11:05am, and there is also a flight on certain days at 4:10pm out of SFO that get you in at 01:40am in the mornin if you don't like leaving after midnight.
Personally I don't like China Airline (CI) either, in TPE the wait seem too long and there was never anyone to help you in the Boarding area while you were waiting.
That is just my experience everyone has their own about their own airline. Next years is the Olypmics in China so I share prices will be going up again so book now. LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Airlines,
When it comes to airlines getting together in a code share agreement whether we like it or not and whether it seems to benefit each airline the reality it does or they wouldn't continue the agreement. The estimates after the 1st year with USAirways and United code share agreement and this came out of of the corporate office of US Airways was that they made 250 million from this agreement the first year. In SFO, They spend over a million dollars a year contracting a bus company to transport passengers to and from the US Airways terminal to the United.
I think we can all agree that there is a big difference in service between the U.S. base airlines and Asian Airlines. I flew NW, because I had a friend that worked for them and was able to get cheap fares and upgrade to Business class when I traveled but when they went into bankruptcy that all ended. Going thru Narita was always a pain in the ass because the security lines were so long. They seem to be the only country that turn up the screeners to maximum voltage that it picks up everything including your pubic hair! and when you finally depart on NW to BKK on their schedule time you were stuck on the tar mat for 45 minutes prior to take off. Just too much!
Eva, out of SFO, gives me a shorter wait and have 2 flights to BKK, back to back ( 8:30/9:20) gets me into BKK at 11:05am, and there is also a flight on certain days at 4:10pm out of SFO that get you in at 01:40am in the mornin if you don't like leaving after midnight.
Personally I don't like China Airline (CI) either, in TPE the wait seem too long and there was never anyone to help you in the Boarding area while you were waiting.
That is just my experience everyone has their own about their own airline. Next years is the Olypmics in China so I share prices will be going up again so book now. LBM[/QUOTE]LBM,
Cathay pacific have 2 flight a day from SFO 12.30 am flight arrive 6.30 am in HKG 14 hr and HKG to BKK at 9.00am arrive around 11.am at BKK , they also have a afternoon flight from SFO now arrive BKK very late at night cost is about 900 usd included tax with stop over in HK .
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Freeler]Artisttyp,
For me, EVA arrives in BKK too early in the morning and they carry a 'lower' class of people.[/QUOTE]The behaviour from the people on the plain mainly depends on the destination or route and I know exactly what you mean when you say " low class people ", I have been using EVA twice from AMS and that kind of passengers are not he best looking guys, how older the better and dressed in T-shirts and plastic shorts, my wife will never allow me to wash my car in the backyard in that outfit, and yes, they are going all to BK on a low budget with hard earned money for a 2 week sex holiday, low cost flights from FRA are sometimes pretty the same, but you can think " low class " but you don’t say it or write it down. It’s just up to us to avoid this kind of routes and maybe pay a bit more and get a better airline or clean connection.
Flying to BKK from wherever in Europe is normally not a problem when it comes to passengers with bad behaviour or standards behind our western culture.
I know LBM his kind of Indian passenger story, I had same experiences but suggest you to try flights out off some black African country’s or Morocco (lucky me I don’t have to do this anymore), sitting next to locals that haven’t seen a shower for the last 6 Mont’s, with a terrible smell, bringing mosquitoes and flea’s with them, they have different habits and culture and mainly no education but you can’t say " low class " at least TMHO
If you like to avoid that kind of experiences on risky flight, just avoid these destinations or fly business class.
John Euro
Gentleman, as I indicate I think depending where the origination and destination everyone is going to have a bad experience from time to time. What might happen in Europe might not happen in SFO!
In our world there are the have's and have not! If we can afford it I think everyone would dress better, try to obtain a better education for themselves and their kids, and certainly travel in first or business class if the money was available. I'm sure the guys in First are thinking the guys in Business are low class too and of course some pilots are thinking F--K them all.
When it comes to dress each airline has their policy and it's up to them to enforce or address them if a passenger is dress improperly or smell!
When I pay money whether I travel Business, Deluxe, or coach depending on my budget at the time I'm just happy to get home to Pattaya without a hitch but for example, if a passenger behind me is sticking his bare feet from behind my seat I don't find it rude to turn around and politely point that out to him or her. But when I travel on a Airline discount I have to bit the bullet!
I am well aware of the schedule out of SFO, with Cathy Pacific but right now I haven't gotten over my last experience and which they also screw me over my program miles so right now will not use them again. I don't particularly care about companies that do not respond to a legitimate complaint.
Regardless of my opinion which is just that if you are happy with your airline I say stick with them!
Enjoy,LBM
john,
"but you don’t say it or write it down""
i'm glad to see that you're all for freedom of speech.
you said " low class ". i didn't.
lbm,
i really prefer business now. i flew business only on miles before. but seeing the long rows at sub airport... a no brainer.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Gentleman, as I indicate I think depending where the origination and destination everyone is going to have a bad experience from time to time. What might happen in Europe might not happen in SFO!
In our world there are the have's and have not! If we can afford it I think everyone would dress better, try to obtain a better education for themselves and their kids, and certainly travel in first or business class if the money was available. I'm sure the guys in First are thinking the guys in Business are low class too and of course some pilots are thinking F--K them all.
When it comes to dress each airline has their policy and it's up to them to enforce or address them if a passenger is dress improperly or smell!
When I pay money whether I travel Business, Deluxe, or coach depending on my budget at the time I'm just happy to get home to Pattaya without a hitch but for example, if a passenger behind me is sticking his bare feet from behind my seat I don't find it rude to turn around and politely point that out to him or her. But when I travel on a Airline discount I have to bit the bullet!
I am well aware of the schedule out of SFO, with Cathy Pacific but right now I haven't gotten over my last experience and which they also screw me over my program miles so right now will not use them again. I don't particularly care about companies that do not respond to a legitimate complaint.
Regardless of my opinion which is just that if you are happy with your airline I say stick with them!
Enjoy,LBM[/QUOTE]LBM,
I flight with cathay about 12 time a yr they alway listen and respond to my complain , last yr on my flight to HKG they fly to incheon to refuel and I miss my connection to Manila for my meeting they send me 100 usd flight coupon for inflight shopping but they do take a long time to respond something like 2 week after .
Fast eddie 48
Sometimes, Brains and money just don't go hand in hand. If you can afford it I say go for it. I'm not that big so as long as I get a isle seat I'm find. I do a lot standing and stretching in the back. But I know what you mean about Business class even on Northwest Airline when I got those free upgrades, for a American Carrier the food and service was pretty good.
Good for it! LBM
I bought a Rado copy some years ago in Pattaya at a taylor who hided the watches under his cloths and just showed them on request. Those copies were much better the the ones you can buy at the street stands. You don't see it's an immitation and it's still well working after 5 years.
Does anybody know such a place in Bangkok? Don't wanna buy the cheap immitations on Sukhumvit stands.
[QUOTE=Bamboo Pete]I bought a Rado copy some years ago in Pattaya at a taylor who hided the watches under his cloths and just showed them on request. Those copies were much better the the ones you can buy at the street stands. You don't see it's an immitation and it's still well working after 5 years.
Does anybody know such a place in Bangkok? Don't wanna buy the cheap immitations on Sukhumvit stands.[/QUOTE]
This is something I know alot about. The best quality copies can be found in the stands that set up at Patpong 1 at night. I recently picked up a few very high quality copies of a Vacheron Constantin, a Jaeger LeCoultre, a Breguet, and a Patek Phillippe there. You have to ask to see the really good copies, as most of the stands will not have their best copies out for public viewing. My experience is that they will start out asking between 3500 and 4200 baht for the good copies, and will take between 1600 and 1800. Everyone has Breitling, Omega, & Rolex copies of varying quality, and usually some lousy Patek Phillippes. Lange & Sohne and IWC copies are also easy to find. The good ones of the brands I bought are much tougher to get than these.
FYI, in addition to the stands at Sukhumvit, I have also checked out the night markets at Hua Hin, Chiang Mai, and MBK and Sun Luam Night Bazaar in Bangkok. Several of the Patpong vendors have the best variety of the best quality fakes among the vast quantities of mediocre fake watches that you will find, although a few of the vendors at MBK have some high quality fakes as well, if you ask them to show you them (they are not displayed among their general wares). The Sun Luam vendors, as well as those on Sukhumvit, were almost uniformly selling crap, with the exception of some decent Rolex and Breitling fakes if that's what you want.
But, I would observe, if you have near term plans to go to Beijing, Saigon, or Shanghai, those cities have more better copies, generally available for less.
Can't believe you guys waste money on business class while traveling to Asia for cheap mongering? Save your ticket expenses and get double the amount of girls during your stay. Biz class is such a waste unless you are 120kg+, I mostly just watch a movie and sleep. And then a cutie wake me up and tell me to wake up cause I am the only one left as we landed 30 mins ago.
[QUOTE=Richo Stevens]Can't believe you guys waste money on business class while traveling to Asia for cheap mongering? Save your ticket expenses and get double the amount of girls during your stay. Biz class is such a waste unless you are 120kg+, I mostly just watch a movie and sleep. And then a cutie wake me up and tell me to wake up cause I am the only one left as we landed 30 mins ago.[/QUOTE]
Not all airlines and routes are the same. In some parts of the world and on some carriers, Biz Class is only a little higher then a full fare, can be achieved by usage of few airline miles in your airline of choice, and / or is often given free of charge as an automatic upgrade if you stick with one carrier and fly them often enough and have high enough status. So tell me why Biz Class is a waste?
For my routing and my airlines you'd have to be crazy not take Biz Class over coach. My last trip had me in BKK for 12 days and some other asian cities, totaled over 30,000 actual flight miles, and I had some automatic upgrades built into the routing. But the total ticket cost was 2,500 USD for coach and 2,570 USD for first class. Guess which one I picked?
My next assignment in two weeks takes me to five countries including two weeks in BKK and is over 40,000 miles and costed 4,100 USD but all in first class, coach class was 3,800 USD. Guess which one I picked?
I think many folks would pay that difference to fly up front over the back and I don't think it's a waste at all.
Ive been checking out different airlines and I noticed that thai airways only allows economy passengers one 44 lb bag and one 15lb carry on. This is insane. Is this common for trips to asia ?
Also some tickets from amsterdam to bangkok are way more than nyc to bangkok. I assume thats the euro coming into play or are flights just more costly leaving from europe?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Ive been checking out different airlines and I noticed that thai airways only allows economy passengers one 44 lb bag and one 15lb carry on. This is insane. Is this common for trips to asia ?
Also some tickets from amsterdam to bangkok are way more than nyc to bangkok. I assume thats the euro coming into play or are flights just more costly leaving from europe?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
That's common for many foreign airlines, and some weigh your carry on too so be careful who you fly (Thai has never weighed my carry on however). US Legacy carriers allow the 50 to 70 lbs two pieces etc....
If you work, shop, or do recreational sports (scuba) it's just another reason to fly biz class as you get up to 80kg of luggage no matter the size. For me any extra weight charges vary from 8 USD to 18 USD a kg lately depending on the airline.
But most guys here on this site going to Thailand don't need much more then a change of underware and some not even that :)
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Ive been checking out different airlines and I noticed that thai airways only allows economy passengers one 44 lb bag and one 15lb carry on. This is insane. Is this common for trips to asia ?
Also some tickets from amsterdam to bangkok are way more than nyc to bangkok. I assume thats the euro coming into play or are flights just more costly leaving from europe?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Just a side note, watch the contract of carriage, for example if you fly to Manila on Continental and you have a 12 hour layover to catch a Philippine airline or Thai flight over to BKK, you can check your two bags at 50 lbs (70 lbs each if you have status with Skyteam), and the forwarding airline HAS to take your bags if you can check them all the way through (less then a 24 hour layover in Manila) even if you are violating their 20 kg rule.
However on return, departure out of BKK, you are stuck with what that carrier out of BKK's rules are. So if their rules are 20 kg then that's it.
If you have airline status with Star or One World etc... then you get a higher weight litmit for those airlines also over the 20 kg for coach class.
Unless you are carrying diving or climbing gear, or professional computer setups for sales purposes, there is no reason to exceed the 20K + 7 KG carry on weight limitations, and over the course of the trip, you will be glad you did stay within those weight limits - especially if you want to take a domestic Thailand flight to Phuket, Samui, Chiang Mai, etc. Everywhere in Thailand, there are inexpensive places to have laundry done, so you really only need to take a week's worth of clothes. And you won't need any cold weather clothing either.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Ive been checking out different airlines and I noticed that thai airways only allows economy passengers one 44 lb bag and one 15lb carry on. This is insane. Is this common for trips to asia ?
Also some tickets from amsterdam to bangkok are way more than nyc to bangkok. I assume thats the euro coming into play or are flights just more costly leaving from europe?
Thanks[/QUOTE]If you come from/go to the US these limits don't apply. In Asia overweight charges are not very high (100 Baht a Kg from BKK to HKG), and an excess of up to 5 Kg is almost always and up to 10 Kg many times ignored. Thai airways on trips to/from the US allow 2 Pieces with the normal US size restrictions and a weigh of 32 Kgs a piece. But they will be going to change that to 23 Kgs a piece.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Unless you are carrying diving or climbing gear, or professional computer setups for sales purposes, there is no reason to exceed the 20K + 7 KG carry on weight limitations, and over the course of the trip, you will be glad you did stay within those weight limits - especially if you want to take a domestic Thailand flight to Phuket, Samui, Chiang Mai, etc. Everywhere in Thailand, there are inexpensive places to have laundry done, so you really only need to take a week's worth of clothes. And you won't need any cold weather clothing either.[/QUOTE]
I can barley get by the 50lb rule on american carriers. I usually take only one bag of 50lbs and a fold up duffle bag for shopping. I would also be bringing photography equipment weighing more than 15 lbs. not counting my cell phone ipod etc. etc. Im not a two pair of underwear one shirt person.
Thai airways stated first class can bring up to 88 lbs. Thats still lower than what we complain about.
I did nwa/ luthansa to turkey and yes I remember the weight limit was the same as US airlines because I started out on nwa. Turkish airlines was 40 lbs.
I could book an american based carrier but then my flying time would go through the roof with connections etc.
Asia and brazil have always been complicated for me to plan. I hope I can overcome the obstacles. Im so used to laid back south america I forget about the rest of it.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]If you come from/go to the US these limits don't apply. In Asia overweight charges are not very high (100 Baht a Kg from BKK to HKG), and an excess of up to 5 Kg is almost always and up to 10 Kg many times ignored. Thai airways on trips to/from the US allow 2 Pieces with the normal US size restrictions and a weigh of 32 Kgs a piece. But they will be going to change that to 23 Kgs a piece.[/QUOTE]
I was on the thai airways website. What I saw listed was 44lbs one bag economy. I didnt see any pricing for excess so Im not sure I can pay if I wanted too.
I would like to take the non stop thai airways flight but not with those restrictions.
Packing light is a discipline many folks simply don't have. But it's one that is well worth developing, as tighter and tighter weight restrictions are certainly the wave of the future in air travel.
According to the Omaha World-Herald, the stepfather of the mall shooter in Omaha was vacationing in Thailand at the time.
Do you suppose he is one of us?
DB
Published Friday | December 7, 2007
Hawkins' stepfather, owner of rifle, was in Thailand Wednesday
BY LYNN SAFRANEK AND KARYN SPENCER
WORLD-HERALD STAFF WRITERS
[url]http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10203759[/url]
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I can barley get by the 50lb rule on american carriers. I usually take only one bag of 50lbs and a fold up duffle bag for shopping. I would also be bringing photography equipment weighing more than 15 lbs. not counting my cell phone ipod etc. etc. Im not a two pair of underwear one shirt person.
Thai airways stated first class can bring up to 88 lbs. Thats still lower than what we complain about.
I did nwa/ luthansa to turkey and yes I remember the weight limit was the same as US airlines because I started out on nwa. Turkish airlines was 40 lbs.
I could book an american based carrier but then my flying time would go through the roof with connections etc.
Asia and brazil have always been complicated for me to plan. I hope I can overcome the obstacles. Im so used to laid back south america I forget about the rest of it.[/QUOTE]
Thai isn't the cheapest but it is very nice service. Going from America on Thai all the way will get you the higher luggage. Going from America on Philippine Air will get you the higher luggage. If you switch carriers then that is where you have a problem. Even going other airlines through Hong Kong can get you the higher classification of luggage.
Don't let it put you off, it is easy to work out the routing. You can easily get the higher luggage limitations out of the mainland.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I was on the thai airways website. What I saw listed was 44lbs one bag economy. I didnt see any pricing for excess so Im not sure I can pay if I wanted too.
I would like to take the non stop thai airways flight but not with those restrictions.[/QUOTE]Once more, this does not apply to flights with origin/destination US. Call them. And the 44 lbs restrictions apply for all carriers with all destinations except the US. Some low cost carriers even only allow 15 Kgs.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]Once more, this does not apply to flights with origin/destination US. Call them. And the 44 lbs restrictions apply for all carriers with all destinations except the US. Some low cost carriers even only allow 15 Kgs.[/QUOTE]
It's on their web site.
For travel To/from Canada and the U.S.A., the following regulations apply:
Passengers in all classes of service, from First to Economy, are allowed two pieces of luggage. The sum of the three dimensions (length + height + width) for each piece cannot exceed 158 cm. (62 inches) and the weight of each piece cannot exceed 32 kgs. (70 lbs).
[url]http://www.thaiair.com/Travel_Destination_Information/FAQs/Check_in_faqs.htm#How%20much%20luggage%20am%20I%20allowed%20to%20check?[/url]
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]It's on their web site.
For travel To/from Canada and the U.S.A., the following regulations apply:
Passengers in all classes of service, from First to Economy, are allowed two pieces of luggage. The sum of the three dimensions (length + height + width) for each piece cannot exceed 158 cm. (62 inches) and the weight of each piece cannot exceed 32 kgs. (70 lbs).
[url]http://www.thaiair.com/Travel_Destination_Information/FAQs/Check_in_faqs.htm#How%20much%20luggage%20am%20I%20allowed%20to%20check?[/url][/QUOTE]
I made an enquiry to Thai airlines last week to find out if I can get an extra piece for my gold membership. They said yes, and the weight limit is 23/32 Kg. When I asked what that means they said that the weight can be either 23 or 32 (Thai logic) at present, but as soon as IATA approves the new rule it will be reduced to 23 Kg.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]I made an enquiry to Thai airlines last week to find out if I can get an extra piece for my gold membership. They said yes, and the weight limit is 23/32 Kg. When I asked what that means they said that the weight can be either 23 or 32 (Thai logic) at present, but as soon as IATA approves the new rule it will be reduced to 23 Kg.[/QUOTE]
Some pats of thai airline site already tell you 23 kg which makes sense as most legacy carriers are going to the 50 lb limitation away from the 70 lb limitations as an effort to reduce fuel consumption. You will get a greater leaway with your status, flying without status will get a total different answer and it's like this with a few carriers right now not just Thai. In august on Thai there was one weight limit out of the mainland and another out of BKK even though I was on the same class of ticket so go figure.
As far as IATA goes... and not busting chops here just FYI, IATA doesn't implement rules, it suggests and tries to work as a conduit between all the different airlines and freight companies to get a standard going but they will never set any rules as they are really powerless. One item I have is an IATA agency.
Thai Australia web site already says you can only have the 23 kg over the 32 kg so it depends your market and makes it difficult for agents....
[url]http://www.thaiairways.com.au/thai_luggage_child.asp?id=3[/url]
4 tee shirts, 3 pairs of shorts, 2 long paint, 3 polo shirts. What more do you need. Take out all your old cloths leave them out there and buy new.
If you are flying on from BKK, Air asia has a 15kg limit! Cebu Pacific is 20KG.
Not sure about tiger not flown them for some time!
With long haul flight I generally fly mid week. Mostly empty, I either ask for Emergency exit (I try to get there 4 hour before check in) or just as doors shut, I scout out a empty row and lay down. Out of 12 flights was successfull about 8 times. Last time I flue with Oasis airline Ł315 return from london. I think bussines was Ł1000 more. That gets a lot of pussy in Pattaya!
[QUOTE=Member #2041]This is something I know alot about. The best quality copies can be found in the stands that set up at Patpong 1 at night. I recently picked up a few very high quality copies of a Vacheron Constantin, a Jaeger LeCoultre, a Breguet, and a Patek Phillippe there. You have to ask to see the really good copies, as most of the stands will not have their best copies out for public viewing. My experience is that they will start out asking between 3500 and 4200 baht for the good copies, and will take between 1600 and 1800. Everyone has Breitling, Omega, & Rolex copies of varying quality, and usually some lousy Patek Phillippes. Lange & Sohne and IWC copies are also easy to find. The good ones of the brands I bought are much tougher to get than these.
FYI, in addition to the stands at Sukhumvit, I have also checked out the night markets at Hua Hin, Chiang Mai, and MBK and Sun Luam Night Bazaar in Bangkok. Several of the Patpong vendors have the best variety of the best quality fakes among the vast quantities of mediocre fake watches that you will find, although a few of the vendors at MBK have some high quality fakes as well, if you ask them to show you them (they are not displayed among their general wares). The Sun Luam vendors, as well as those on Sukhumvit, were almost uniformly selling crap, with the exception of some decent Rolex and Breitling fakes if that's what you want.
But, I would observe, if you have near term plans to go to Beijing, Saigon, or Shanghai, those cities have more better copies, generally available for less.[/QUOTE]Member #2041,
Thanks, many good hints, but as long as a don't have a fix adress, it's still difficult. Do you have the skill to distinguish between the good and bad ones? Do you ask the seller to open the back of the watch to see the clock work?
Most carrier ( Coach ) U.S., 2 checkin's 50lbs a piece 1 carry-on but like most carrier it is inconsistent since it is never enforced consistently so passenger take what they want until someone stops them. This is just a general comment based on my experience working at the airport International like (Eva) 2 pieces ( Coach ) 70 lbs each and 1 carry-on 15lbs limit. In SFO they do check surprise! On my last trip in coach I have a Executive card they told me this card allows me to check in 3 pieces and the use of their club. This was a nice touch since it save me $15.00, didn't have to buy food prior to departure.
Airlines like Thai, are trying to regroup because of higher fuel cost. The more weight the more gas they need to burn. When it comes to weight and balance on a aircraft they have it down to how many cans of coke is on the aircraft right down to the bar of soap. They are going to nickel and dime the passenger in coach and give extra to those in Business and First. So depending how much you have and how much you travel it is surely more privileges in Business and up!
LBM
[QUOTE=Bold Focker] I think bussines was Ł1000 more. That gets a lot of pussy in Pattaya![/QUOTE]
In fact, well over 100 pussies if you shop on price.
[QUOTE=Bamboo Pete]Member #2041,
Thanks, many good hints, but as long as a don't have a fix adress, it's still difficult. Do you have the skill to distinguish between the good and bad ones? Do you ask the seller to open the back of the watch to see the clock work?[/QUOTE]
The good ones almost invariably have a clear back so that you can see the movement. And I can't give you a fixed address - it's a bazaar, with something like 100 booths along the Patpong 1 street, perhaps a quarter of which sell mainly watches. Perhaps 1/4 of those booths had access to the better stuff - usually hidden somewhere out of sight - and shown only when you asked for something specific that they don't have out for showing. As for being able to tell the good from the bad, you are on your own - however, here's some hints - look for reasonably thin, mechanical (as opposed to quartz) watches with a clear back that you can see the movement. And look for very upscale brands - i.e. MORE upscale than Rolex, Tag/Heuer, Omega, and Breitling. Some will be automatic, some will be manual wind. Hence the ones I bought: Patek Phillippe, Vacheron Constentin, Breguet, Jaeger LeCoultre. The real things of those brands sell for $8K to $20K each.
Oh, BTW, the quartz movement watches work fine and are reliable, and thin - they are just not convincing counterfeits of the name brands.
It looks like all the Wise Travellers have invaded this section with Airline rubbish, I was not aware ISG also offered Travel agency services.
Can someone book a flight for me then? or can we go back to some more Appropriate conversations?
I believe if you are looking for "Air" advices, the net is not short of Airline specific Forums that can help you better.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]The good ones almost invariably have a clear back so that you can see the movement. And I can't give you a fixed address - it's a bazaar, with something like 100 booths along the Patpong 1 street, perhaps a quarter of which sell mainly watches. Perhaps 1/4 of those booths had access to the better stuff - usually hidden somewhere out of sight - and shown only when you asked for something specific that they don't have out for showing. As for being able to tell the good from the bad, you are on your own - however, here's some hints - look for reasonably thin, mechanical (as opposed to quartz) watches with a clear back that you can see the movement. And look for very upscale brands - i.e. MORE upscale than Rolex, Tag/Heuer, Omega, and Breitling. Some will be automatic, some will be manual wind. Hence the ones I bought: Patek Phillippe, Vacheron Constentin, Breguet, Jaeger LeCoultre. The real things of those brands sell for $8K to $20K each.
Oh, BTW, the quartz movement watches work fine and are reliable, and thin - they are just not convincing counterfeits of the name brands.[/QUOTE]Thanks , Member 2041 ,
I'm still hesitating , but will go for it on my next Bangkok trip. I'll be in Philippines in March , would that be a better place to buy (I don't think so).
You mentioned good Rolex immitations in Sukhumvit . Around which soi should I look? Do they also have a clear back?
Hello everyone! A few minutes ago, I looked at Bangkok's current weather as well as 5 day forecast and am stunned to see that the city apparently is. And will be. Scorching under unusually high temps. For December. If you are reading this and are currently there or are considering going, I am curious to know what your thoughts are about this? I am on the verge of canceling my vacation to Bangkok. With a few days in Pattaya. Because I would hate to see what the weather might have in store for me in early-mid Feb. 2008.
Sincerely,
Michael
Hoboken, NJ resident
[QUOTE=Member #2041]The good ones almost invariably have a clear back so that you can see the movement. And I can't give you a fixed address - it's a bazaar, with something like 100 booths along the Patpong 1 street, perhaps a quarter of which sell mainly watches. Perhaps 1/4 of those booths had access to the better stuff - usually hidden somewhere out of sight - and shown only when you asked for something specific that they don't have out for showing. As for being able to tell the good from the bad, you are on your own - however, here's some hints - look for reasonably thin, mechanical (as opposed to quartz) watches with a clear back that you can see the movement. And look for very upscale brands - i.e. MORE upscale than Rolex, Tag/Heuer, Omega, and Breitling. Some will be automatic, some will be manual wind. Hence the ones I bought: Patek Phillippe, Vacheron Constentin, Breguet, Jaeger LeCoultre. The real things of those brands sell for $8K to $20K each.
Oh, BTW, the quartz movement watches work fine and are reliable, and thin - they are just not convincing counterfeits of the name brands.[/QUOTE]2041,
Of the brands that you mentioned "Patek Phillippe, Vacheron Constentin, Breguet, Jaeger LeCoultre" do they have much selection. I was looking at the Breguet TOURBILLON MARINE, damn that is a sweet watch, would they have something like that? What are the names of the watches that you have seen there?
Thanks
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]It looks like all the Wise Travellers have invaded this section with Airline rubbish, I was not aware ISG also offered Travel agency services.
Can someone book a flight for me then? or can we go back to some more Appropriate conversations?
I believe if you are looking for "Air" advices, the net is not short of Airline specific Forums that can help you better.[/QUOTE]I believe there is a Travel Plans and Announcements thread at this site for the cuntry of Thailand. Perhaps that would be more appropriate for the topic? BTW, I will assume by the A word that weddings and halloween parties are excluded, but rear end reports are always welcome. Speaking more generally from BKK, my ass was sore last week but feels ok now.
Jackson has made it quite clear in various forums in response to various posts of the type you've written below, that the intent of this forum is also to provide travel information. Good travel information is a critical part of the hobby. This would also include photographs not directly connected to girls.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]It looks like all the Wise Travellers have invaded this section with Airline rubbish, I was not aware ISG also offered Travel agency services.
Can someone book a flight for me then? or can we go back to some more Appropriate conversations?
I believe if you are looking for "Air" advices, the net is not short of Airline specific Forums that can help you better.[/QUOTE]
As a tourist, can you buy Prepaid SIMs in Thailand for cash, i.e. without a local bank account or local address?
What are the denominations?
How much is a local call to a mobile?
Where are the SIM sold?
Reason for asking is, that in some countries in Europe, one needs a bank account and an address, in order to purchase the first one, i.e. the phone number. (Before someone flames me, I do know that there are workarounds, but they are bothersome)
[QUOTE=Bamboo Pete]Thanks , Member 2041 ,
I'm still hesitating , but will go for it on my next Bangkok trip. I'll be in Philippines in March , would that be a better place to buy (I don't think so).
You mentioned good Rolex immitations in Sukhumvit . Around which soi should I look? Do they also have a clear back?[/QUOTE]
I have no experience with the Philippines, so I can't help you there. As far as decent Rolex copies - Rolex copies are all over the place. Which ones are good and which ones are bad varies - and I haven't shopped for fake Rolexes in over a year - so I can't offer you any specifics. I can say that there are more vendors with more stock in Patpong than anywhere else, so the odds of finding the better copies are higher there - but a range of fake Rolexes of varying quality can be found pretty much anywhere. But, again, you need to know what you are looking for.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Not all airlines and routes are the same. In some parts of the world and on some carriers, Biz Class is only a little higher then a full fare,
I think many folks would pay that difference to fly up front over the back and I don't think it's a waste at all.[/QUOTE]I agree for 100% with you, specially on the so called multiple city combination or " around the world " ticket. If you check out several Buss. Class pricing you always find good deals. Long time ago when I started my business I was searching always for the cheapest economy ticket to fly to US or Asia, arrived most of the time there like a wreck after a long flight between the smokers etc. Stupid me but that was at the beginning. When I checked my company tax bill on profit at the end of the year I quickly changed over to Buss. Class and afterwards the tax men was paying my B. C. Tickets and I arrived always in good shape.
The advantage is also that you earn so much miles that you fly on a free or on a upgrade ticket when going on holiday.
Buss. C. Ticket are much cheaper when buying in BK, I recently came back from BK to London on Ethiad Airlines on a one way ticket, I paid only 52300 Thb for a B. C. Ticket include 2% for paying by Amex. , great flat bed seat like first class, they leave in the morning and arr. The same day at evening with cutting the 12h difference, price is just a bit more than some economy tickets, it all depends on how much time you spend to figure it out and your travel agent his market position.
Another advantage, no hassle with overweight or surcharge for your golf bag or heavy hand luggage, not talking about the extra service and priority’s everywhere.
John Euro
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Ive b,
Also some tickets from amsterdam to bangkok are way more than nyc to bangkok. I assume thats the euro coming into play or are flights just more costly leaving from europe?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Ticket pricing is Internationally calculated in US$ and as nothing to do with the Euro.
All flight from Europe to Asia are mainly fully booked, why should Airlines or agents reduce there prices then when they are the king? When competition is high or some Airlines that are starting new routes will discount to take customers from other company’s.
JE
Richo Stevens,
"Can't believe you guys waste money on business class while traveling to Asia for cheap mongering? Save your ticket expenses and get double the amount of girls during your stay."
I could not possibly have twice the pussy. Exhaustion would kill me.
BTW At today's ticket prices staying at home and screwing the Colombian ladies at the local RLD would be cheaper anyway.
Bold Focker,
"I think bussines was Ł1000 more. That gets a lot of pussy in Pattaya!"
My business ticket is only 400 Euros (Ł285) more - that's both ways, not a one way upgrade! Great seats, good food, airport lounge, no queueing, seat pre-select and reservation and pretty damn good cabin service too.
Just thought of one restriction: 20 kg luggage max. No prob, I'll be damned if I carry more than 10 kg!
And I get more pussy than you no matter what:D!
Now that's the problem with having so many Threads, last time I look
"General" could include any one of the current Threads on the Board. So if someone ask a question it is usually, someone will answer it.
LBM
i just came back from the bookstore where i was reading roughguides' bangkok. i will certainly buy a copy of it before i leave. it had everything i wanted to know and alot more.
the one thing which stood out to me was the paragraph on police searching tourists for drugs. the book mentioned they look for it.
i would never do drugs in thailand or most places i go. if i do its a joint in jamaica or mexico......i dont do anything else.
the paragraph went on to say that they even go as far as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] tests in some cases.
they would find weed in my [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] for sure...no chance of that not showing up.
i look a little edgy with a few tattoos but im 38 years(look 27) and wear decent clothes. what are my chances of a random search ? i usually only keep a lamenated photocopy of my passport.
thanks
first timers planning a trip to bangkok should read roughguides' bangkok
Artisttyp,
Police do random checks (or at least they appear to be random...) in gogos and bars.
When they do EVERYBODY inside gets tested on the spot.
You should find reports of such searches on
[url]http://www.pattayamail.com/[/url]
on a regular basis.
Here are some search results:):
[url]http://www.google.com/custom?domains=PattayaMail.com&q=tested&sitesearch=PattayaMail.com&client=pub-8611171753819704&forid=1&channel=8672446947&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23008000%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23FFFFFF%3BVLC%3ABF0000%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BALC%3ABF0000%3BLC%3ABF0000%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BLH%3A75%3BLW%3A276%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.pattayamail.com%2Fpmsearch_logo-sm.gif%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.pattayamail.com%2F%3BLP%3A1%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=en&sa.x=9&sa.y=9[/url]
[QUOTE=Freeler]Artisttyp,
Police do random checks (or at least they appear to be random...) in gogos and bars.
When they do EVERYBODY inside gets tested on the spot.
You should find reports of such searches on
[url]http://www.pattayamail.com/[/url]
on a regular basis.
Wow it is very true. I cant knock another culture but man that is brutal. I wonder if the 100 people who tested positive in one article will all face brutal prison sentences ?
Maybe I should stick to latin america.
By the way is this common in asia ?
[QUOTE=Member #2041]I have no experience with the Philippines, so I can't help you there. [/QUOTE]
My experience is the best place is China, after that Hong Kong, then Bangkok but I had some nice experiences in Korea.
Philippines.... don't waste your time, you'll be over priced and the quality is poor, trying to find decent fakes is hard.
My advice to Bamboo Pete, is if you find a good P4P girl who you get along with and such, then see if she'll take you to Patpong and start the negotiations. Usually that helps break the price down lower and get's some better quality if you are with thai over just being a lone farang walking around. That is if you are unsure about Patpong, not sure about the stalls, etc... There's a farang price and a thai price in everything and if a local girl starts the work it helps me. But I usually have a GF I'm with anyways. Just don't trust touts or tuk tuk or taxi drivers to help you get best quality IMHO.
They are all over, two main brands 12 go or something like that and another, 50 baht got me a sim over at MBK but sim's can be found all over. refill cards for 12 are found at every 7-11 and other stalls all over the place. The other refill they charge it up for you electronically or such. Refil places for loads are all over also.
[QUOTE=Daddy San]As a tourist, can you buy Prepaid SIMs in Thailand for cash, i.e. without a local bank account or local address?
What are the denominations?
How much is a local call to a mobile?
Where are the SIM sold?
Reason for asking is, that in some countries in Europe, one needs a bank account and an address, in order to purchase the first one, i.e. the phone number. (Before someone flames me, I do know that there are workarounds, but they are bothersome)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]They are all over, two main brands 12 go or something like that and another, 50 baht got me a sim over at MBK but sim's can be found all over. refill cards for 12 are found at every 7-11 and other stalls all over the place. The other refill they charge it up for you electronically or such. Refil places for loads are all over also.[/QUOTE]One 2 Call is the one that I use. Refill cards for the number can be purchased almost everywhere; 100,200,300,500 B. The nice thing about the refills is that it updates the time remaining to expire in 1 year. Some of the others only give you 3 months, I think that you have to get a 300b card to extend for the year. You might want to check on that.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]My experience is the best place is China, after that Hong Kong, then Bangkok but I had some nice experiences in Korea.
Philippines.... don't waste your time, you'll be over priced and the quality is poor, trying to find decent fakes is hard.[/QUOTE]
The selection I found of fakes in the main central market in Saigon was at least as good as that in the Silk market in Beijing, and those are probably the two best places in the world for buying a high end fake watch. Although, I haven't shopped in Hong Kong for several years, it would not surprise me if that is just as good. Bangkok is not as good as those places, and the prices are higher - i.e. the same fake watches that had a walk away price of $25-30 in Beijing and Saigon, required paying $40-50 in Bangkok.
BTW. walk away price is the lowest price offer where the vendor will not try to keep you from walking away after he counters with something higher. In my experience, it doesn't matter if you are Farang or local - the price where they will still make money making the sale is the lowest price you can get if you know how to negotiate. The initial asking price will surely be higher for a Farang, but the walk away price never changes - there is a price point at which the vendor doesn't wish to lose the sale, and a lower one at which they will let you walk, irrespective of whether you are white, black, yellow, green or purple. Before I ever buy a watch or anything else at one of these night bazaar-tyoe markets, I make sure that I have found out through low-ball bidding, what that walk price is.
I would also emphasize, as Tansak has, that following a tout is a GUARANTEE that you did not get the best price or quality for your baht.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]BTW. walk away price is the lowest price offer where the vendor will not try to keep you from walking away after he counters with something higher. In my experience, it doesn't matter if you are Farang or local - the price where they will still make money making the sale is the lowest price you can get if you know how to negotiate. The initial asking price will surely be higher for a Farang, but the walk away price never changes - there is a price point at which the vendor doesn't wish to lose the sale, and a lower one at which they will let you walk, irrespective of whether you are white, black, yellow, green or purple. Before I ever buy a watch or anything else at one of these night bazaar-tyoe markets, I make sure that I have found out through low-ball bidding, what that walk price is.
[/QUOTE]
As this might relate to girls as well, what is your initial counter when dealing with these folks. Some folks go 50%-75% below but try to go for paying 50% below what original asking price is. Granted 90% of the time we're talking one or two USD difference and I could care less so I never fight it that hard, but when going for higher end items I do care.
I know what I pay for girls, I know what I pay for at markets as well for goods. But what are others doing just out of curiosity.
And I'm surprised the number of P4P girls, and old GF's, that won't bargain when they are shopping with my money :) :)
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]As this might relate to girls as well, what is your initial counter when dealing with these folks. Some folks go 50%-75% below but try to go for paying 50% below what original asking price is. Granted 90% of the time we're talking one or two USD difference and I could care less so I never fight it that hard, but when going for higher end items I do care. [/QUOTE]
It depends on whether I have already established what the walk away price is. What I try to do ideally is find the same item at more than one vendor, and use one vendor for price research, and maybe buy at the other vendor.
before I have any information, I will normally counter the first asking price with between 1/4 and 1/3 of the price asked, and then I hold to it in the face of numerous progressively lower offers from the seller. I will then see how low they go, and how quickly they go low, to gauge what the walking price will be. And after the first time, I will generally walk, listening very carefully to how low the offer gets as I am walking away. At this point, I will have in my mind just how low I can get the item for, especially at another vendor. I will later return, and offer EXACTLY that price, and hold firmly to it, in the face of the vendor's counters. I might then go up SLIGHTLY if I feel that it is necessary to get the vendor to actually close, but only after they are clear that I am about to walk again, and they have gone as low as they will go without me moving on my offer.
This strategy I only use when buying material items. I don't use it with P4P women for two reasons: 1st, it can leave hard feelings with the seller (and if I'm buying an item, I don't care, but when buying companionship, I don't want that) and secondly, sometimes when negotiating P4P, the lower head takes over the negotiation process.
[QUOTE=Lord Farquard]One 2 Call is the one that I use. Refill cards for the number can be purchased almost everywhere; 100,200,300,500 B. The nice thing about the refills is that it updates the time remaining to expire in 1 year. Some of the others only give you 3 months, I think that you have to get a 300b card to extend for the year. You might want to check on that.[/QUOTE]
If that's true then I get screwed as 300 baht only updated it for one month each time. Not a problem as I'm there every month it seems like and refill it often but I think it's only one month atleast the 300 baht cards i was buying.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]If that's true then I get screwed as 300 baht only updated it for one month each time. Not a problem as I'm there every month it seems like and refill it often but I think it's only one month atleast the 300 baht cards i was buying.[/QUOTE]The cards that last 1 year have much higher calling rates per minute (I think it is 4 Baht). So if you heavily use it, you would want to make a calculation. For me the 1 year card does it because I don't stay in LOS for more than a week at a time (I prefer to be able to buy my beer at the time of the day that I want to buy it - I don't drink during the day but that rule is ridiculous). I paid 250 baht and it was charged with about 350. You might even be able to switch the plan on your card. Just ask a shop at MBK for example. Or at BIGC in Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]The cards that last 1 year have much higher calling rates per minute (I think it is 4 Baht). So if you heavily use it, you would want to make a calculation. For me the 1 year card does it because I don't stay in LOS for more than a week at a time. I paid 250 baht and it was charged with about 350. You might even be able to switch the plan on your card. Just ask a shop at MBK for example. Or at BIGC in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]
I end up using the free wifi in places and using fring on my phone to use skype for most calls and skype out of the room on the computer. So it's not that bad. I spend two weeks or so at a time there for work. Basically it was replying via calls and sms to the recent manila GF that i was being good in BKK that ate up most my cards this last trip.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I end up using the free wifi in places and using fring on my phone to use skype for most calls and skype out of the room on the computer. So it's not that bad. I spend two weeks or so at a time there for work. Basically it was replying via calls and sms to the recent manila GF that i was being good in BKK that ate up most my cards this last trip.[/QUOTE]If you are in the reach of internet, you could subscribe to voipcheap.com and initiate calls through the browser. Thailand is US$ 0,01 per minute, your home country most probably free, and the connection charge is 0,05 per call. You will receive a call back onto your Thai mobile and reciving calls on the mobile in Thailand is not charged airtime. So you could call another mobile in Thailand for 0.7 Baht instead of 4. Plus the connection charge of 1.7 Baht. This goes also very well for the few crazy internet cafes that charge you a 20 Baht per minute fine if you use VoIP like Skype (I know of one in Pattaya).
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]Thailand is US$ 0,01 per minute, your home country most probably free, [/QUOTE]
Excellent site, thank you, but I wish... my country is so out there no one has heard of us. For us it would be 23 cents a minute and skype is cheaper. My country can't even do interantional SMS messenging and doesn't even have roaming with our telecom provider.
Plus work, big brother tries to watch me a lot, and they do take care of the skype charges, the voice mails and all the forwarding numbers and such. So I'm kind of stuck with it.
But I know what you mean, I've taught many girls how to use the phones better with other services.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp][QUOTE=Freeler]Artisttyp,
Police do random checks (or at least they appear to be random...) in gogos and bars.
When they do EVERYBODY inside gets tested on the spot.
You should find reports of such searches on [url]http://www.pattayamail.com/[/url]
on a regular basis.
Wow it is very true. I cant knock another culture but man that is brutal. I wonder if the 100 people who tested positive in one article will all face brutal prison sentences ?
Maybe I should stick to latin america.[/QUOTE]Just stay out of the bars. The streets are full of meat.
I know if i need to buy computers ect that i should go to pantip plaza. Can anyone advise where i should go to buy Jeans ECT in european sizes. This may be a stuip question in light of all the stalls which Hauk these things around, just wondering if theres any place better.
Thanks in advance.
I know if i need to buy computers ect that i should go to pantip plaza. Can anyone advise where i should go to buy Jeans ECT in European sizes. This may be a stupid question in light of all the stalls which Hauk these things around, just wondering if theres any place better.
Thanks in advance
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]The cards that last 1 year have much higher calling rates per minute (I think it is 4 Baht). So if you heavily use it, you would want to make a calculation. For me the 1 year card [/QUOTE]
I paid B300 at the Mall for a one year card and added B100 for safe measure. Last trip, 3 days only, used it for local as well as international calls to states, HK and Taiwan and still have B100 left, one year term. For a brief 2-3 minute international call, not sure exactly what they charge but a lot cheaper than using your 'home' number.
Steve, I dont know where you live, but I found, when shopping for a computer a couple of years ago, that the models for sale at Pantip were models which were already discontinued. When asking the salespeople about international warranties, they were very vague. You can buy a laptop online, and have it shipped to you. I just bought a new IBM 2 weeks ago, it was a very good price, and the warranty is excellent.
For jeans, I would go to the week end market. There must be over 500 vendors who sell jeans, so you are bound to find something for you.
Good luck
[QUOTE=SkmSteve]I know if i need to buy computers ect that i should go to pantip plaza. Can anyone advise where i should go to buy Jeans ECT in European sizes. This may be a stupid question in light of all the stalls which Hauk these things around, just wondering if theres any place better.
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]
Actually, it should read 'etc' ;)
In answer to your query, I usually get that sort of stuff at MBK. Easy to get to, jam packed with just about everything, and less bargaining required than the markets (still bargain though).
As a side note, it is also where I go to get phones unlocked (the place is HUGE).
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBK_Center[/url]
[QUOTE=SkmSteve]
[b]Sorry..should read " good Value Jeans ECT "[/b]
I know if i need to buy computers ect that i should go to pantip plaza. Can anyone advise where i should go to buy Jeans ECT in European sizes. This may be a stupid question in light of all the stalls which Hauk these things around, just wondering if theres any place better.
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]
I have a phone, sim, purchased in Pattaya (1-2 calling ) I load the phone with 300 minute cards at 7-11 stores. Each time after I load the phone I check the status and it always show that the minutes are now good for another year. Exactly 1 year from the day I loaded that particular card.
When I call the U.S. on this card, it is approximately 10 baht a minute still cheaper than other plans if you don't talk long.
LBM
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]The cards that last 1 year have much higher calling rates per minute (I think it is 4 Baht). [/QUOTE]
The plan I am on is 1 Bhat/min and a text message is also 1 Bhat. Unless you are in the States, then it is like 20 Bhat for a text message-------ouch!
Art,
Most SE Asian countries aren't exactly in favor of drugs and drugs should be avoided at all times.
Sing and Malaysia have a solid hang-em-high policy on drug possession in order to sell (I believe 10 grams of 'hard' drugs is a neck snapper). 'Soft' drugs: caning and prison...
Freeler
I don't know if it is still there (I remember it from over 20 years ago now), but when you took the train across from Malaysia, there used to be a big sign when you come into Thailand that read:
[i]The penalty for drug trafficking is [color=red]DEATH[/color][/i]
Where [i][color=red]DEATH[/color][/i] was written in big red letters that were dripping with blood.
Say what you will, but you can hardly claim the warnings are so subtle you didn't pick up on them :)
I'm too lazy to look it up now, but don't they still execute by machine gun in Thailand? Not fun!!
Seriously, you'd have to be a moron wouldn't you. Every now and again there's the big stink in the news about a <insert random western nationality here> who gets caught and faces death. This stuff is hardly unforseeable - I think of it as a simple manifestation of Darwinism.
[QUOTE=Freeler]Art,
Most SE Asian countries aren't exactly in favor of drugs and drugs should be avoided at all times.
Sing and Malaysia have a solid hang-em-high policy on drug possession in order to sell (I believe 10 grams of 'hard' drugs is a neck snapper). 'Soft' drugs: caning and prison...
Freeler[/QUOTE]
The preceding reports are true - Thailand, like most Asian countries, implements even more horrific human rights abuses regarding drugs than Western nations. There are still, for the moment, two exceptions - Cambodia and Laos. There you may still buy and smoke marijuana without much chance of being murdered, etc. Last I was there two or three years ago one could even still order pizzas with marijuana on top - I wonder if that amazing freedom yet exists?
[quote=opebo]the preceding reports are true - thailand, like most asian countries, implements even more horrific human rights abuses regarding drugs than western nations. there are still, for the moment, two exceptions - cambodia and laos. there you may still buy and smoke marijuana without much chance of being murdered, etc. last i was there two or three years ago one could even still order pizzas with marijuana on top - i wonder if that amazing freedom yet exists?[/quote]
the odd thing is i actually have a legal prescription for "marinol" (dont ask) which are pot pills.
if i had a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] test done marijuana would show up for sure. i could always show them the prescription but it would take alot of explaining. also i dont know if marinol is legal in thailand since its only sold in the states and canada.
asian culture and i have always clashed thats why ive been avoiding asia for so long.
im actually now looking into a photography trip to egypt.
glad i found out about it this early.
[QUOTE=Blunderer]
I'm too lazy to look it up now, but don't they still execute by machine gun in Thailand? Not fun!! .[/QUOTE]
At the Bangkok Hilton they have switched to injection. (but not that long ago)
Art,
I won't ask, but I would leave them at home!
I do bring XTC tho - on my mp3 player:D!
If you can't get a fair deal in the U.S. I would never take a chance or put myself in a situation to deal with the legal system in any country regarding drugs especially in Thailand. It's so funny that countries like Thailand, Cambodia and Laos make a big stink about drugs and hanging and shooting people when they allow the Golden Triangle to exist. If they didn't enjoy the benefits of the drug lord payoff's and wasn't so scared the drugs lords had a bigger Army maybe just maybe they would have done something along time ago in regards to drugs.
But personally, I don't go near or ever put myself in a position to have to deal with the local policy. Just being stop on my motorbike for making a right turn had me nearly going in my pants!
LBM
I've found Fortune to be better for most things then at pantip, plus easier to get to. It's a hike off the bts to pantip and the traffic around it is a bear for taxi's and such. Fortune is right off the subway. And that's for electronics and such obviously. But I have two good vendors at Pantip that I see for some specialty items. If you want warranty items at Pantip the top floor (fifth), IT city will warranty items and have international brands and such.
For jeans... weekend market is a friggin zoo. If you're into wandering around and wasting day then go for it. You sound like you obviously not want to spend the higher end money in Siam's and Zen's and such. MBK has a clothing stall area at the far end of the third floor that you can bargain down and get jeans at, there is a big jeans store right in front at on the left hand side as you look at the area but wander around they are all over back inside that maze.
[QUOTE=Blunderer]Jackson has made it quite clear in various forums in response to various posts of the type you've written below, that the intent of this forum is also to provide travel information. Good travel information is a critical part of the hobby. This would also include photographs not directly connected to girls.[/QUOTE]Yes, he sure did, and he even created specific sections for it so that all this Airline talk does not clog the "General Bangkok" Thread.
Or maybe I am mistaken?
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan] It's so funny that countries like Thailand, Cambodia and Laos make ... when they allow the Golden Triangle to exist.
LBM[/QUOTE]WTF are you talking about?
[QUOTE=Blunderer]I don't know if it is still there (I remember it from over 20 years ago now), but when you took the train across from Malaysia, there used to be a big sign when you come into Thailand that read:
[i]The penalty for drug trafficking is [color=red]DEATH[/color][/i]
Where [i][color=red]DEATH[/color][/i] was written in big red letters that were dripping with blood.
Say what you will, but you can hardly claim the warnings are so subtle you didn't pick up on them :)
I'm too lazy to look it up now, but don't they still execute by machine gun in Thailand? Not fun!!
Seriously, you'd have to be a moron wouldn't you. Every now and again there's the big stink in the news about a <insert random western nationality here> who gets caught and faces death. This stuff is hardly unforseeable - I think of it as a simple manifestation of Darwinism.[/QUOTE]
When landing in Malaysia on any airline, it is bluntly announced that possession of drugs is a capital offense subject to the death penalty.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Yes, he sure did, and he even created specific sections for it so that all this Airline talk does not clog the "General Bangkok" Thread.
Or maybe I am mistaken?[/QUOTE]
Nic,
I assumed that the "Bangkok" thread was for Bangkok mongering topics outside of MPs which has its own thread, and that "General Reports" probably was intended for stuff a little bit off the Mongering theme, i.e. Airlines, shopping, and all that stuff that might bore many mongers, like myself.
But is there anywhere that actually states the purpose of a thread???
On the 1/1/06 Admin simply announced "Thread Starter" for General Reports.
So I suppose your guess is as good as mine what the topic really means.
wtf, get off the crack! richo stevens! look down and rtff, responding to comments made by freeler and o****.
lbm
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Yes, he sure did, and he even created specific sections for it so that all this Airline talk does not clog the "General Bangkok" Thread.
Or maybe I am mistaken?[/QUOTE]
You are mistaken. There is a separate Bangkok thread, it is well worth a look - there's lots of the type of information you sound more interested in in there. This is the 'General Reports' thread - maybe it'd be simpler if it were renamed to the 'everything that doesn't fit under any of the other categories' thread, but it doesn't roll off the tongue in the same way ;)
How many members have been involved in a bar raid while visiting Bkk or Pattaya? In reading it looks like most of the time it is at closing late nite and it also seems like a lot of time involved if the club is busy to check all people with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] tests?
[QUOTE=Blunderer]You are mistaken. There is a separate Bangkok thread, it is well worth a look - there's lots of the type of information you sound more interested in in there. This is the 'General Reports' thread - maybe it'd be simpler if it were renamed to the 'everything that doesn't fit under any of the other categories' thread, but it doesn't roll off the tongue in the same way ;)[/QUOTE]
Actually you guys saved my ass so Im VERY thankful that this information exists.....yet another reason to give jackson his $19.95
Thanks again guys.
It looks like I will be going to egypt. I have a hardcore fetish for arab women. Im not expecting much in forms of mongering but it will be intresting to say the least.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Actually you guys saved my ass so Im VERY thankful that this information exists.....yet another reason to give jackson his $19.95
Thanks again guys.
It looks like I will be going to egypt. I have a hardcore fetish for arab women. Im not expecting much in forms of mongering but it will be intresting to say the least.[/QUOTE]Artisttyp - Marinol - sounds interesting. I will ask - what's it subscribed for?
As for Egypt - I'm booked in for mid-February - a couple of nights in Cairo for fun and a few nights in Sharm for work and fun. I wouldn't expect Arab girl action unless you get very lucky, or you know people - and I live in Arabia. I've been lucky with Arab girls a few times, but it takes work and persistence. My research shows that apart from photography, diving etc, the pleasures of the feminine kind in Egypt will be CIS and Chinese.
[QUOTE=Blunderer]You are mistaken. There is a separate Bangkok thread, it is well worth a look - there's lots of the type of information you sound more interested in in there. This is the 'General Reports' thread - maybe it'd be simpler if it were renamed to the 'everything that doesn't fit under any of the other categories' thread, but it doesn't roll off the tongue in the same way ;)[/QUOTE]Got it. Thanks to you and Mick for the explanation.
And, I know what's to expect from the Bangkok Thread, believe it or not, I posted a couple of one liners there LOL
Cheers Guys.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to catch up on my writing. I'm 4 reports behind.
My trip to BKK is now set over the new year's week. Can't wait!
I booked a hotel on Internet. This is what happeded.
I selected a hotel on Sukhumvit. It took me to the payment page (thinking I am lucky to book one in this area considering the high season). Naturally I followed the instruction and typed in all the card details and hit "OK" with a big grin on my face. All's done.
But no. I got an email from the operator, saying the room I booked was not available, and ask me to choose another one listed in the email. Am I going to be shafted here?
What can you do in this situation?
1/ cancel it?. They have probably held (not taken) the amount on your credit card already. Now you are stuck with them. Imagine the hassle you would get to get the refund. And you would be paying a fee anyway.
2/ choose an alternative hotel from the list in the email? A bit fishy here. Why only these? Why can't I choose one other than these? But you don't want to take a risk of messing all up. So I follow to choose one from the list. None is near the actions, but not too far away. So I inform them of my new choice. A choice at a slightly higher price range.
Is this booking process here the normal practice by internet hotel booking? Compare this with airline booking. As far as I know, they do not take you to the payment page unless there is a seat available for you.
Furtunately my alternative hotel was confirmed ok, but still feel they had me over a barrel.
Has anyone had similar experience?
[QUOTE=Need More Gas]My trip to BKK is now set over the new year's week. Can't wait!
I booked a hotel on Internet. This is what happeded.
I selected a hotel on Sukhumvit. It took me to the payment page (thinking I am lucky to book one in this area considering the high season). Naturally I followed the instruction and typed in all the card details and hit "OK" with a big grin on my face. All's done.
But no. I got an email from the operator, saying the room I booked was not available, and ask me to choose another one listed in the email. Am I going to be shafted here?
What can you do in this situation?
1/ cancel it?. They have probably held (not taken) the amount on your credit card already. Now you are stuck with them. Imagine the hassle you would get to get the refund. And you would be paying a fee anyway.
2/ choose an alternative hotel from the list in the email? A bit fishy here. Why only these? Why can't I choose one other than these? But you don't want to take a risk of messing all up. So I follow to choose one from the list. None is near the actions, but not too far away. So I inform them of my new choice. A choice at a slightly higher price range.
Is this booking process here the normal practice by internet hotel booking? Compare this with airline booking. As far as I know, they do not take you to the payment page unless there is a seat available for you.
Furtunately my alternative hotel was confirmed ok, but still feel they had me over a barrel.
Has anyone had similar experience?[/QUOTE]
It happened to me last September with Asiarooms. I ignored them and nothing happened. No charges at all.
But the practice of giving up your credit card info in advance is totally unfair and can be dangerous too.
El Greco
[QUOTE=Need More Gas]But no. I got an email from the operator, saying the room I booked was not available, and ask me to choose another one listed in the email. Am I going to be shafted here? [/QUOTE]
Trying not to clog this up and upset Nic... And this should be in the hotel forum BTW, From my experience...
It depends on the site you were using.
Kind of sounds like you were using a consolidator. Firms buy up rooms at discounted rates, for example i buy up 50 nights in hotel X at this price for the year and i buy up 50 nights in hotel Y at this price for the year etc... You book your room, they go to the hotel and the hotel says sorry we are full or that classification of room is sold out. So they go to next hotels and that is what you got offered.
Others companies have sites on the net where they post their contract rate with the property. You book your room, they go to the hotel and hotel tells them sorry that contract rate is full up go someplace else, so they go to the next group of hotels.
A third option is that the hotels are managed by the same company and they move you around to where they have availability. There are many management firms in Asia that represent a large number of hotels.
In almost all cases you put up your CC number at time of booking or the rooms will not be reserved but they rarely charge it unless you are a no show or till the room is confirmed at least and the room was not confirmed. If you used some fly by night company to book your room then yeah you could be fleeced but in most cases it is no issue. Standard practice in travel industry in my neck of the woods to take CC upfront before even looking at working with someone.
No they did not have you over the barrel you could have gone to any number of online reservation firms to get a room and you might have gotten the hotel you wanted at the price you wanted. You just took what they wanted, you picked from their list instead of surfing the net and trying others.
Yes you had an option of that list only as that is the list of hotels they obviously work with and they do not work with the others, or the others were full up or the othes already filled their contract quota.
Sorry Nic... know you hate this crap. ;)
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Trying not to clog this up and upset Nic...
Sorry Nic... know you hate this crap. ;)[/QUOTE]Nah mate, that's all good! It's actually my fault and I apologise to all for having misunderstood the Thread Topic.
In regards to Hotel Rooms, why are you guys under the impression that you can get a better deal on the internet?
Most times, the best thing to do is to shop around on the web and then call the Hotel directly. Hotels give these Website a Commission so you can almost always get away with the Website's price + a rebate of 5% by just calling the hotel.
Let's say you want to book the Davis Hotel on Soi 24, and you see it on Expedia.com for 4,000 thb per night. Expedia is knowned to ask for 20%+ commission from Hotels for sending business so, from the 4,000 you pay expedia, the Hotel only gets 3,200.
Call the hotel, explain calmly to the manager that you know the hotel roughly makes 3,200 on the Expedia Booking, then offer to pay directly 3,500.
Sometimes it will work and sometimes not, but 3,500 sounds like a win-win for both you and the hotel !
Anyhow, sorry too for Clogging the Thread.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Trying not to clog this up and upset Nic... And this should be in the hotel forum BTW, From my experience.
It depends on the site you were using.
Kind of sounds like you were using a consolidator. Firms buy up rooms at discounted rates, for example i buy up 50 nights in hotel X at this price for the year and i buy up 50 nights in hotel Y at this price for the year etc... You book your room, they go to the hotel and the hotel says sorry we are full or that classification of room is sold out. So they go to next hotels and that is what you got offered.
Others companies have sites on the net where they post their contract rate with the property. You book your room, they go to the hotel and hotel tells them sorry that contract rate is full up go someplace else, so they go to the next group of hotels.
A third option is that the hotels are managed by the same company and they move you around to where they have availability. There are many management firms in Asia that represent a large number of hotels.
In almost all cases you put up your CC number at time of booking or the rooms will not be reserved but they rarely charge it unless you are a no show or till the room is confirmed at least and the room was not confirmed. If you used some fly by night company to book your room then yeah you could be fleeced but in most cases it is no issue. Standard practice in travel industry in my neck of the woods to take CC upfront before even looking at working with someone.
No they did not have you over the barrel you could have gone to any number of online reservation firms to get a room and you might have gotten the hotel you wanted at the price you wanted. You just took what they wanted, you picked from their list instead of surfing the net and trying others.
Yes you had an option of that list only as that is the list of hotels they obviously work with and they do not work with the others, or the others were full up or the othes already filled their contract quota.
Sorry Nic... know you hate this crap. ;)[/QUOTE]I thought this was the right place for my post. Cleary this is not about a hotel, but about booking of a hotel.
But thanks for the info. Now I know how it works. The point is whether or not you trust them/their system. BTW the latter part of your comments are by someone who had known how it worked.
BTW I used hotels2thailand. El Greco mentions asiarooms which I came across, and noticed they clearly state up front that they will not take money unless a room you requested is booked and confirmed. In this case you are free to surf and find what you want. When I got the email saying the room was unavailable, I tried to locate the similar statement, but I could not find it in hotels2thailand website (maybe hidden somewhere?).
Anyway, it's now done and dusted.
Cheers
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]In regards to Hotel Rooms, why are you guys under the impression that you can get a better deal on the internet?.....Call the hotel, explain calmly to the manager that you know the hotel roughly makes 3,200 on the Expedia Booking, then offer to pay directly 3,500..[/QUOTE]
Yes and no. Commissions range from 5% to 10% on average, the more business you give them or the higher you are known (Expedia) you get more commission.
I agree with what you are saying about calling direct; however my history in dealing in BKK is that maybe 70% of hotels return emails, many are run by management companies that make these decisions so going to the hotel is useless in some cases, how much time are you spending calling different hotels and I will estimate over 98% of the people here don't speak a word of thai and getting to the right person or the right area is often difficult. So good luck calling most hotels directly in Bangkok.
Plus some hotels like Dusit are famous for quoting you 60-90 US dollars over what the average internet rates are if you go to them direct and they won't bargain down on the phone. Accor who runs some good chains runs travel industry discounts up to 75% off published rates if you can get those and they have some good corporate rates but they are going non guest friendly in some places in BKK. Other firms in asia have good corporate rates, but the marriott travel industry and corporate rates for JW in BKK sucks so it's hit and miss.
Now other operators buy up XXX days a year at certain hotels. We pay the hotels about 1/3 the average rate but we buy up over 60-90 days a year minimum (sometimes more) and we pay cash up front at the begining of the year. Then we have the rest of the year to sell off the number of days we bought up and we can sell those much lower then other folks including expedia so expedia is not the best operator out there in all countries. Especially Asia, there are stronger Internet hotel booking engines in Asia then expedia.
Then you have places like latestays that is like a priceline in USA or such and they offer two week in advance discounts on rooms and you can find some good prices there which beat even industry rates. Some hotels would rather dump excess inventory at terrible low rates then having them sit empty. The revenue management aspect of the travel industry has gone out the window lately.
Basically, BKK is priced so low in hotel rates (compared to other asian cities) what are people fighting for? A few dollars? After a while it doesn't make much sense to spend the effort. Go where you are comfortable and takes care of you. The personalized service and atmosphere and such is what seperates the places in BKK IMHO. Probably most peope using these Internet booking sites are still new(er) to BKK.
Cheers !!
[QUOTE=Need More Gas]I thought this was the right place for my post. Cleary this is not about a hotel, but about booking of a hotel....But thanks for the info. Now I know how it works....Anyway, it's now done and dusted Cheers[/QUOTE]
Nah mate, maybe I was frustrated, it's been three weeks since I was in BKK and I have two weeks left till I return. ;) Enjoy your time !
Happy Pizza (restaurant by that name in PP, SR and SV Cambodia) The happy part is green vegetable oregano like material Yup, still exists
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Nah mate, maybe I was frustrated, it's been three weeks since I was in BKK and I have two weeks left till I return. ;) Enjoy your time ![/QUOTE]Thanks Tansak.
As this trip is my first in the scene, so it would be of a reconnaissance. I've got 5 days, and my plan is to try different things; MPs (a few variations in this, incl. legit one to rekindle the imeptus), go-gos, FLs, and possibly Eden club. I would be needing the enhancer to keep it up.
I am also keen to try GFE as well, either from a pro or a non-pro.
I am not sure if I can cram everthing into a 5 days though.
Thanks for all the info in this forum.
I shall report.
[quote=need more gas]mps (a few variations in this, incl. legit one to rekindle the imeptus), go-gos, fls, and possibly eden club. i would be needing the enhancer to keep it up. i am also keen to try gfe as well, either from a pro or a non-pro. i am not sure if i can cram everthing into a 5 days though.[/quote]
as i was a cranky bastard earlier i'll try to give you my two cents, but everyone has a different opinion.
mp's: micklicker posted a list of soapies that is in report of distinction section that is a great guide to soapies in various areas and will guide you and help you pick the place for you. same token, giotto posted a mp listing as well but in a different area that will guide you where to go as well. that's in the reports of distinction as well. plus it was recently updated.
i won't bother with my choices as everyone is different but what they write has been pretty accurate in my opinion as well, if they report it is good then it is generally good so they should be your guide to help you choice where to go on your first visits in your limited days, don't just walk into a place you've never seen or heard about would be my advice. take their reports and use them.
eden: it's been written and talked about to death but imho everyone should try it once in their life if they go to bkk. just my pov.
fl: beer garden, bamboo beer, gullivers, flamingo moe's, etc... standing around nana or late night thermane just take your pick.... even ball in hand and regular bars have picked up fl. fl's can give you great service for the best price.
enhancer to keep it up: pharmacy between king tailor and bully's on suk (between nana and jw if you need wider frame of reference), you can't miss them, there are two of them, both have enhancer.
gfe: hard not to have that even in a mp. it's hit and miss of course but if you pick correct you'll have gfe all the time. granted you can pick wrong but just get back in the saddle and try again ;)
locations: nep is unique not sure wild is the term but it is more something then cowboy is and soi 33 is more higher cost but more laid back then the other two.
5 days.... go for short time, don't fall in love with one no matter how much you enjoy so don't go lt if you want to experience it all, go for 15 different ones and experience it all. and you still will have only scratched the surface of what some of these long time experts here have done as it takes months and months if not years to sample it all.
oh... [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s and sol are unique, not for everyone but again it's something that everyone should experience once in their life, afterschool in cowboy also can be interesting in the same general style.
enjoy !!! and happy holiday....
[QUOTE=Need More Gas]Thanks Tansak.
As this trip is my first in the scene, so it would be of a reconnaissance. I've got 5 days, and my plan is to try different things; MPs (a few variations in this, incl. legit one to rekindle the imeptus), go-gos, FLs, and possibly Eden club.[/QUOTE]The first Report of Distinction was based on a 5 day junket to LOS - if you follow Phuquar's steps, albeit some of the places have either changed name or closed down, you won't go wrong. Don't consider it a recon trip - you can get a real good cross section of what's available in Bkk in 5 days.
If you read further in the ROD thread, you might even find interesting alternatives.
As far a hotels go, stay at Livingstone's on Soi 33 (see Giotto's thread) or Majestic for your first visit.
Enjoy your trip and happy holidays.
[quote=traveler1234]the first report of distinction was based on a 5 day junket to los. if you follow phuquar's steps, albeit some of the places have either changed name or closed down, you won't go wrong. don't consider it a recon trip. you can get a real good cross section of what's available in bkk in 5 days.
if you read further in the rod thread, you might even find interesting alternatives.
as far a hotels go, stay at livingstone's on soi 33 (see giotto's thread) or majestic for your first visit.
enjoy your trip and happy holidays. [/quote]thanks t1234, tansak,
re: hotels, it was too late to book a hotel along suk, so i opted for a one at petchburi road, near pantip plaza i think.
i have just read phuqer's report about his 5 day itinerary; i must say its quite comprehensive. my plan almost follows his ideas except shopping and sightseeing.
mps
i have put 5, 6 mps at various sois on sukhumvit in my "must-try" book. i've got to try angels. why? i tell the forum later. i am not sure sazanka is an mp, anyway i want a good scrub there. i am looking forward to the ball and dick manages from some of these mps. suzie wong. is this an mp?
fls
i definitely try bier garten to see if i can hit it off with someone nice.
phuqer mentions grace hotel coffee shop, i would pop in to see if i can score there, or just for titillation.
suk street itself. i like walking as long as its not too hot. maybe i bump into some totties. go-gos. patpon/soi cowboy/nep
i don't think this is my scene. but i want to see how a pinpong ball is popped and how a pussy can puff out the smoke.
nana carpark
again this is not my scene, but i am curious and try what happens.
tansak, you mention [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]/sol, i initially listed sol for my must-visit book but now i realised it is conducted out in open in the bar area? so i pass that.
enhancer
i noted that there are some chemists along suk. as the backup, i am taking some cs from vietnam where i work at the moment.
gfes
thank for the heads up on not falling in love. hope not. but if it happens, i can take it i think.
i am not bothered with lts. to me it is not only physically exhausting but mentally draining. i must save some gas for the following day as well
almost forgot, can anyone tell me when i can get the "inside massage"
cheers
Hello,
Can anyone help?
I need a sim for my mobile.
I understand that I can get one at MBK.
But until what time this place open?
My flight arrives at 8pm.
Or is there a place in Airport (new one) where I can buy one?
Thanks
Gas, you can get a SIM card with a new Thai number at any 7-11, and there are several in the Nana and Biergarten area of Sukhumvit road. I paid 50 Baht for a 1-2-Call SIM card having 15 baht of time on it, and another 100 Baht for an refill time card, and that was all I needed for the 18 days of my trip. Grand total, under $5. No need to trek over to MBK just for a SIM card and a time refill card, any 7-11 will do fine.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Gas, you can get a SIM card with a new Thai number at any 7-11, and there are several in the Nana and Biergarten area of Sukhumvit road. I paid 50 Baht for a 1-2-Call SIM card having 15 baht of time on it, and another 100 Baht for an refill time card, and that was all I needed for the 18 days of my trip. Grand total, under $5. No need to trek over to MBK just for a SIM card and a time refill card, any 7-11 will do fine.[/QUOTE]#2041, Thanks a lot for the info. It'd save lots of hassles if I can get it at a 7-11.
But 50 Baht for a sim card, that's incredibly cheap.
Thanks
7-11 at new BKK airport is at the bus plaza. Free shuttle to there from the terminal
[quote=need more gas]thanks t1234, tansak,
re: hotels, it was too late to book a hotel along suk, so i opted for a one at petchburi road, near pantip plaza i think.
i have just read phuqer's report about his 5 day itinerary; i must say its quite comprehensive. my plan almost follows his ideas except shopping and sightseeing.
mps
i have put 5, 6 mps at various sois on sukhumvit in my "must-try" book. i've got to try angels. why? i tell the forum later. i am not sure sazanka is an mp, anyway i want a good scrub there. i am looking forward to the ball and dick manages from some of these mps. suzie wong. is this an mp?
fls
i definitely try bier garten to see if i can hit it off with someone nice.
phuqer mentions grace hotel coffee shop, i would pop in to see if i can score there, or just for titillation.
suk street itself. i like walking as long as its not too hot. maybe i bump into some totties. go-gos. patpon/soi cowboy/nep
i don't think this is my scene. but i want to see how a pinpong ball is popped and how a pussy can puff out the smoke.
nana carpark
again this is not my scene, but i am curious and try what happens.
tansak, you mention [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]/sol, i initially listed sol for my must-visit book but now i realised it is conducted out in open in the bar area? so i pass that.
enhancer
i noted that there are some chemists along suk. as the backup, i am taking some cs from vietnam where i work at the moment.
gfes
thank for the heads up on not falling in love. hope not. but if it happens, i can take it i think.
i am not bothered with lts. to me it is not only physically exhausting but mentally draining. i must save some gas for the following day as well
almost forgot, can anyone tell me when i can get the "inside massage"
cheers[/quote]
suzi wong is a gogo bar in soi cowboy. great for the oil show or the lesbian shaved pussy licking shows (be sure to get a front seat right at the gogo floor well before 10pm, so your view won't be blocked, and glasses if you are long sighted and might be too close to focus :d).
pussy smoking show is available at long gun nearby. might have to go to patpong for the pingpong (i don't know where as these shows don't turn me on at all).
yes sol is for the experienced monger like me who has seen (and been seen) everything. you can go to the back but its too cramped and awkward in my opinion. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] has curtains so you won't be on display.
not sure if the "grace coffee" shop is valuable way to spend time. i wouldn't bother, personally.
its worth experiencing a good body-slide massage at a soapy massage parlour in my opinion. it really turns me on but many mongers are over it for some reason. but i'm a wimp. i like the soft stuff. i wouldn't dare go to sazanka for a salt rub :eek:
What is the TG's attitude towards photos?
Some of the pics in the Photo Gallery are downright 'open minded', with even the girls face showing aside from some other interesting parts of their anatomy.
Some obvously even enjoy showing off and being photographed.
Clearly, one must ask the girl's permission first, but will they generally consent or not?
Will they expect an extra tip and if so, what is appropriate?
Thanks for your input.
[QUOTE=Dinghy]7-11 at new BKK airport is at the bus plaza. Free shuttle to there from the terminal[/QUOTE]Beer is available at the Burger King there, but not in Hong Kong.
Soi 19 McDonald's has a Samurai Pork Burger.
For those wondering if there will be anything to eat in BKK.
[QUOTE=Dinghy]7-11 at new BKK airport is at the bus plaza. Free shuttle to there from the terminal[/QUOTE]Thanks Dinghy,
It woudl be perfect if I can get it at 7-11 at Airport.
This means I can contact my girl and to arrange a meet from Airport straight away. I emailed this girl from Angel's and she responded with her mobi number. Let's see what happens :D
[quote=mick licker]suzi wong is a gogo bar in soi cowboy. great for the oil show or the lesbian shaved pussy licking shows (be sure to get a front seat right at the gogo floor well before 10pm, so your view won't be blocked, and glasses if you are long sighted and might be too close to focus :d).
pussy smoking show is available at long gun nearby. might have to go to patpong for the pingpong (i don't know where as these shows don't turn me on at all).
yes sol is for the experienced monger like me who has seen (and been seen) everything. you can go to the back but its too cramped and awkward in my opinion. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] has curtains so you won't be on display.
not sure if the "grace coffee" shop is valuable way to spend time. i wouldn't bother, personally.
its worth experiencing a good body-slide massage at a soapy massage parlour in my opinion. it really turns me on but many mongers are over it for some reason. but i'm a wimp. i like the soft stuff. i wouldn't dare go to sazanka for a salt rub :eek:[/quote]mick, yeah, funny.
of course, suzi wong, famous isnt it. (it must of slipped my mind) in fact i am short sighted. so i would go as close as i am allowed to. :d
these shows must be very mechanical, so i dont expect any turn-on. i just want to reminisce later on in my life "yeees, i have seen it and have a t-shirt to prove it" :)
sol and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] - pass
i had a korean massage a long time ago. it was very relaxing and soothing if i remember correctly.
As someone who has not travelled much around the world, my upcoming trip to Bangkok will serve as the first time that I will really have to worry about electricity differences (charging MP3 player, Playstation Portable). Research on the internet has shown me adapters and even transformers to buy but is not clear in addressing issues specifically about Thailand. I am wondering what all experienced mongers have brought to Thailand as far as voltage/adapters or possibly a small transformer.
I understand that the Electrical Specifications in Thailand: Voltage: 220 Volts
(U.S. voltage is 110-120 volts)
Frequency: 50 Hz
(U.S. frequency is 60 Hz)
What have you brought on your trips to Thailand to deal with both the voltage and the frequency difference? Also, any warning I should know about the non-polarized outlets in the country?
Thanks,
Michael
HB,
I got kit from a chain store call Brookstone many years ago. It's like a Sharper Image Store. The unit is call a Dual wattage Travel Converter been using it for years never had a problem with the unit. Not sure whether you need one for a computer?
LBM
[QUOTE=Hoboken Michael]What have you brought on your trips to Thailand to deal with both the voltage and the frequency difference? Also, any warning I should know about the non-polarized outlets in the country?[/QUOTE]
No issues...all phones (4 of them), all MP3 players, all computers, even my hair clippers, battery chargers, camera equipment, video equipment, etc... can all take dual voltage. Read your plugs or the converter on your equipment, they will say input ... if input is 110 - 220 then you don't need squat. I have only had a beard trimmer not be dual volatage ever. If... if... for some reason where you stay will not take your plug, you can buy some plug adapters for a few baht and I have never stayed at a place in BKK that would not take US style plugs.
Just check any power transformer you currently use for the electrical device that you plan on bring on your trip. They will almost always have a power input rated for 100-240 volts, so it'll work anywhere in the world as long as you have the correct plug adapter for that country. For Thailand they use mainly the blade like plugs we use in the US. I have taken my laptop, cellphones, and many other electronic devices and I have no problem what so ever.
Here is a link to information to power voltage around the world...
[url]http://kropla.com/electric.htm[/url]
and a list of countries around the world and what their voltage rating is...
[url]http://kropla.com/electric2.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=Hoboken Michael]As someone who has not travelled much around the world, my upcoming trip to Bangkok will serve as the first time that I will really have to worry about electricity differences (charging MP3 player, Playstation Portable). Research on the internet has shown me adapters and even transformers to buy but is not clear in addressing issues specifically about Thailand. I am wondering what all experienced mongers have brought to Thailand as far as voltage/adapters or possibly a small transformer.
I understand that the Electrical Specifications in Thailand: Voltage: 220 Volts
(U.S. voltage is 110-120 volts)
Frequency: 50 Hz
(U.S. frequency is 60 Hz)
What have you brought on your trips to Thailand to deal with both the voltage and the frequency difference? Also, any warning I should know about the non-polarized outlets in the country?
Thanks,
Michael[/QUOTE]
Almost every Western style hotel has a 110/220 volt shaver plug in the bathroom. If you have something that isn't auto or dual voltage then just plug it into the 110 side of the shaver plug. It has enough power to charge a cell phone, MP-3 player or computer.
Hi,
This is not just a moneysaver, it's the convenience I like the most.
Remember juggling your cash quickly enough to get it in the slot before your credit went to zero while on a pay phone?
None of that no more!
And it's easy as 123 (and 4).
Here's how it goes:
Dial 1234 before the full telephone number.
Example:
Call to BKK, dial 1234-02-7654321
I made a five minute call from Isaan to BKK this morning and instead of tossing in one coin after the other,greatly disrupting the flow of the conversation, I had to throw in just one ten baht coin. Smooth as silk!
Giotto has drawn my attention to the latest sad news in Thailand, and indicated bars [b]may[/b] close for a period.
Nation Multimedia News web site reports:
[quote] Government declares 15-day mourning
State officials and employees will mourn the death of HRH Princess Galyani Vadhana for 15 days and government offices and schools to lower flags at half mast in the same period. [/quote]
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Giotto has drawn my attention to the latest sad news in Thailand, and indicated bars [b]may[/b] close for a period.
Nation Multimedia News web site reports:[/QUOTE]
Considering the fact that I land in less then two days for two weeks of work, I'm already in route to BKK, and my work is WITH some areas that will be closed (just verified), I wonder WTF I'm going to do.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Considering the fact that I land in less then two days for two weeks of work, I'm already in route to BKK, and my work is WITH some areas that will be closed (just verified), I wonder WTF I'm going to do.[/QUOTE]
The MP girl said that the Mps and bars would stay open. Hope she is right. The Thais will apprciate it if you wear all black, or very dark, or black and white. Bright colours not recommended.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]The MP girl said that the Mps and bars would stay open. Hope she is right. The Thais will apprciate it if you wear all black, or very dark, or black and white. Bright colours not recommended.[/QUOTE]
Atleast there will be MP's, and it's reasons like this why it's always best to keep some phone numbers handy. As far as colors go, well that's all my suit's are (and I really only have suits packed), except of course I do have my red Ohio State University shirt just in case they win the college football game :)
I'll be there tomorrow, one more night in Philippines ;).
To OTH and other resident experts
I've followed the posts on the Thai thread for awhile and noticed that references are often made about so-called class. Some of the classifications are no-brainers (the girls you see all around Ptya). But what really distinguishes the various non rice farmer/bargirl classes from each other?
- Is it mainly education, family net worth, family name, ethnicity (Central, Southern, Northern Thai, Thai Chinese, Issan natives, etc? ), schools attended, or some combination of these?
- How do you distinguish middle class Thais from the so-called Hi-Sos? What percentage of the Thai population falls into each of these two catagories and what is a typical family net worth range (low to high) for each?
- If a student attends Chul or Bankok U, are they automatically HiSo?
- Maybe someone could suggest a framework to figure out a local's class standing within Thailand.
- Also, if a Thai person born into the middle class showed initiative, studied hard, worked smart, and eventually amassed a fortune (whatever that is by Thai standards), would he/she and his/her future family automatically graduate to Hi So status? Now I realise this doesn't work for bargirls but what about the others?
[QUOTE=Taiwan Laowai]To OTH and other resident expertsI've followed the posts on the Thai thread for awhile and noticed that references are often made about a local person's class. * Some of the classifications are no-brainers (the girls you see all around Ptya). * But what really distinguishes the non rice farmer/bargirl classes? * Is it education, family net worth, family name, ethnicity (Central, Southern, Northern Thai, Thai Chinese, Issan natives, etc? ), schools attended, or some combination of these? * How do you distinguish middle class Thais from the so-called Hi-Sos? * What percentage of the Thai population falls into the Hi So category and what percentage in the middle class category? * What would be a typical net worth range for a Hi-so family and for a middle class family? * Maybe someone could suggest a useful framework to figure out a local's class standing within Thailand. * Also, if a person born into the middle class showed initiative, studied hard, worked smart and hard, and eventually created a fortune (whatever that is by Thai standards), would he/she and his/her future family automatically graduate to Hi So status? * Now I realise this doesn't work for bargirls but what about the others?[/QUOTE]
Why do you want to know and why do you care? Just curious
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Why do you want to know and why do you care? Just curious[/QUOTE]I would find it interesting, so if you have the time.
In the non P4P arena, I think it is very useful to understand your counterparty so to speak. Reading between the lines of what's been said in this forum, it seems that the possibilities with non-pros are influenced a lot by the girl's standing in society with Hi So girls presenting the greatest challenge. I'm sure average and even below average looking Hi So girls exist as do smoking hot light skinned middle class girls. If one could easily distinguish between the two, then they might decide to approach the very attractive middle class girl (less rejection risk with great upside) while passing up the average looking Hi So (high rejection risk just to be with a plain girl).
Also, this is one area which I'm sure still confuses many a farang who want to better understand the society. I've had western friends in Thailand tell me about great experiences they've had with so called Hi So girls. But when I ask them what that mean by Hi So, they say things like she's light skinned, drives her own car, has a good job, etc, etc. I'm sure many of the Hi So girls we hear farangs talk about are in fact from modest backgrounds or even posers from the P4P arena.
A lot of other Thai cultural aspects have been discussed before in detail here. While these discussions may sometimes not appear to be directly related to mongering, I do believe they are useful and interesting to those of us who consider pursuing the mainstream girls. Also, I realise my questions were perhaps overly focused on details. Please excuse this. If nothing else, I'm just curious.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Why do you want to know and why do you care? Just curious[/QUOTE]I consider this a very interesting question too.
I'm been lambasted in the past for setting myself up as some big authority on all of this and now tend to shy away from this topic.
I'll think about it and perhaps write something up. But, it would be interesting th hear from someone else, first, on their interpretation of all of this.
I will say that the assessment: having light-skin, having a good job and driving one's own car probably indicates a girl of more modest background rather than HiSo is probably correct. I will also say that this kind of girl, if accessable is a much better 'object of one's desire' than a HiSo girl because she at least may appreciate something resembling a honest day's work for wages, rather than unlimited access to daddy's Platinum card.
Perhaps, more later.
Taiwan-Laowai,
I'll take a shot at this but remember I'm not OTH, when it comes to putting things in perpective. I'm no damn professor!
I'm not going to comment much on the skin color or the ethnicity of a Thai as the determinating factor on whether that will make them mid or high SO! Because it doesn't. And I don't have any income stats of Thailand that would give anyone any indication what status would place a Thai in either catagory.
For myself, if I give it a common sense approach I would say education, family net worth versus against how much debt, and family name. When it comes to family name if they are part of the Kings family yes I would guess they would also have money and assets to be in the Hi-So catagory! If I was meeting a Thai family and had no idea what that status might be I would be looking for car, size and location of house, business if any, profession of members of family. Combination of the above and particularly the larger the house and visiable assets and adult toys would give me a impression of their status. This would be a start in my book but certainly not a factual guide for anyone with any brain.
As to the answer to your question " Middle Class showed initiative, studies hard, worked smart and hard and eventually created a forture " my answer would be....
If it is the desire of someone who came from low or middle class and has amased a fortune and want to move up to Hi-So, they certainly can by obtaining enought materialistic property to indicate that they are in fact Hi-So. You can meet a Hi-So girl and even pay a large diary to marry her but how do you hide the fact that your parents and family are bare foot rice farmers so Hi-So doesn't look down on your family!
In the end if the girl comes from a Hi-So family and is not self-center nor materialistic and loves you for who you are and so does her family then you have a great women. In my opinion you can always buy your way into Hi-So but don't forget who put you on this earth and don't forget where you came from?
In my years of staying in Pattaya when I use to live in a small room my next door neighbor was this old man and women who came to our mini-mart to drink Chang beer. They live in a Tin can roof house and cook food to sell in the market every morning. He had a old side cart motorbike and a used pickup truck over 20 years old. He dressed in old Thai culture clothing and his land was below grade so when it rained hard his house would be flooded and usually saw him at night with a small light looking for snakes in the water. Many a nights I saw a friend of his who owned a old Toyota Hilux come over for dinner similiar dress and ate dinner with them and later came to my mini-mart to drink beer. I found out years later that the old man that live next door was one of the riches guys in Pattaya. He owned more land out towards the Reservoir than the eye can see! His friend I found out own the land and the room complex that I was renting along with thousand of Rai of land. He opened one of the biggest Car showrooms in Pattaya next to the International Language School and invited me and my wife to his opening. We all arrived in my neighbors old pickup truck and I only then found out that this was a huge event. While we sat under the tents I saw all his guest drive up getting out of BMW, Lexus, Bends, etc...with valet parking. HI-SO if I ever saw a event. Two rows in front of me was the Governor of Chon Buri, The Mayor of Pattaya, Chief of Police... T.V. Stations that was focus on Thai movie stars and singers. Here I was sitting with shorts and a dress shirt, thinking only in America! After having a big dinner and dancing it was time to leave. While everyone was waiting for their cars to be valet back. My wife and I walked quietly down Sukhumvit and when we were out of sight. Went to a motorbike Taxi stands and got our ride home with a laugh and smile on our faces.
To make a long story short both of these old men families all have grown up Hi-SO, but yet they haven't forgotten who they are and where they come from. The owner of the car dealership told me he can't stand his family because he feels he doesn't connect with them anymore. So he comes nightly to his old friend house to sit on the dirt floor and eat. I have lots of adimiration for these 2 olds guys they are dirt rich but haven't forgotten where they came from and their old friendship. Now that is rich and Hi-So to me!
How one views Hi-So and Lo-So, is to each his own and whatever makes you happy! Another of LBM, simple outlooks!
Thailand class system.
Huge number of relatively poor people. About 60 million. Many of these people live on 20,000 THB a year! This is also the never ending source for all P4P talent.
Middle class, people with credit cards, loans, 2nd generation rural roots, having moved to the cities.
Very small group of super rich. Cost of a Ferrari is THB 22.5 million!
Girls: P4P girls come from the low end of Thailand society. Middle class girls usually marry middle class guys and do not end up hooking unless it’s under the GiG scheme. Marriage at @ 25 years of age is what the parents want and usually get. Increasingly though sweet, white skinned middle class girls may not marry at all - to the horror of their parents.
Hi so girls, offspring of the small number of super rich hardly go with foreigners. They do screw around, get caught on tape and make headlines but do not marry foreigners, unless loads of money is to be gained. Or call is social compatibility.
A note on the P4P girls. Uneducated, yet street smart. Due to upbringing and social back ground, they only chance for a proper job would be the super market or being a maid. Screwing at THB 30-50K a month obviously beats cleaning floors.
JB
JB has is distilled pretty well.
There is lots to add, of course. For one thing, I would say external shows of wealth are not always an indication of anything. There was a celebrated story a couple of months ago of a guy living large, who for years everyone thought was loaded, but who turned out to be living on credit and so in dept, that he killed himself when the creditors came knocking. The Thais have one of the largest credit-card debt per capita in the world.
The HiSo label is eagerly sought-after, but only held by a very select few. While there are plenty of wealthy people who may claim to be HiSo, they are in fact merely indulged at best by the truly HiSo - Old money vs. new money.
An example would be Taksin and his brood. Most Thais would consider him HiSo. But, in fact truly HiSo old money Thais consider him a HiSo wannabe. It would still cost you about a 6-10 million baht dowry to marry of one of his brats. But, he and his family are considered somewhat declasse by those that exist way up in the Thai ether.
As JB indicates, it would be highly unlikely that a Farang, unless extremely wealthy would ever get a shot at a HiSo girl, rich, HiSo wannabe or nearly HiSo, even for a fling.
Everything is about status in this country. Since Farang already carry a negative stigma, especially among the rich, one would have to be a celebrity (Leonardo di Caprio) or rich (Bill Gates) or royal (Princes William or Harry) or all three to get into this circle.
Taiwan-Laowai asked if there was some way to tell HiSo. Well, unfortunately they don't have it tattoed on their butts:D (or maybe some do, I don't know). So, it is hard to tell. If you know anything about family names, that would help. For, example if a girl has a last name 'Bunnag', she at least comes from a very old family, even if she personally may not be that rich. There are lots of economically, middle-class Bunnags (it's a huge family). But, they are still HiSo by association with this family. HiSo Thai-Chinese all have very long names, that often contain elements of the original Chinese name. This was in fact a racist policy put in place about 100 years ago to mark these people as different from Thais. Thai names usually have only 2 or sometimes 3 syllables, whether HiSo or not. Thai-Chinese names tend to be a minimum of 15 letters and some can have anywhere from 4-7 syllables. Often more recently arrived (since WWII) Chinese who have made their fortunes here in the last 60 years may still retain their Chinese name or at least have a shorter Thai name that they have adopted. A good example of this is the Sae-thong family. 'Sae' means clan. So, they are the Thong clan. Then there are the near royalty and there are lots of these around. If a girl has a 'Na' + the name of a place in her name - Na Songkhla, or Na Ayuthaya for example - then she's decended from royalty. Below I've attached a pic of the actress Benz...Pornchita Na Songkhla, whose grandfather was a minor prince. Note that she has darker skin and is not even remotely Thai-Chinese - pure ethnic Thai.
Light skin colour, while generally a pre-requisite to being HiSo is not absolute. True Thais, from the central region (Bangkok north to Ayyuthaya) are dark-skinned and some of these are old money HiSo Thais. The Chakris (The King and his family) are somewhat darker skinned than what is thought of as the 'normal' pallid HiSo complexion. I had a student a couple of years ago who was from Nakhon Sawan and quite dark, as is everyone from that region. Her family were filthy rich, and old money (going back at least 200 years). These Thais, while being darker tend to have very fine, distinct features that differ from other Thais.
HiSo Thais speak Thai differently, just a the HiSo in England speak English differently. There are different class accents here, just like anywhere. But, those can be acquired, like wealth - there's an ex-BG in my building who because she has a rich Farang bf, fancies herself HiSo and puts on the accent, especially when she talks to the "help". My Gf finds it quite off-putting because as she says, her family are probably as low if not lower than the maids to whom she is so condescending. Fortunately nobody is fooled, if for no other reason than she still dresses like and looks like a hooker - too much gold, for example is the dead give-away...HiSo Thai rarely wear much jewelry and certainly not the big Run DMC rapper chains that BGs wear.
If one wants to see HiSo girls and be sure that they are at least close to the genuine article, one need look no further than uni girls at the following universities: Chulalongkorn, Thammasat, Mahidol, Bangkok, Silpakorn, or go to Parragon and watch all the "Dek-noo" ( a slang term meaning children that don't have to do anything because they're so rich) shopping on the weekend.
The middle class girls - upper and lower - make up the lion's share of girls one encounters in some sort of educated professional life: whether, in some capacity well-above secretary in a company (although being a secretary still usually requires a university degree), their own business (shopowner etc.), teacher, entertainment business, and so forth. A lot of these tend to be Thai-Chinese of more modest means, or Thais from the better families in urban areas all over the country, even Isaan (not everyone in Isaan is a poor farmer).
IMHO, middle-class girls are the best chance a Farang has of finding a good TG, who isn't a gold-digger (either by temperment or necessity), because she has her own money, comes from a good family, but who lacks pretensions.
But as JB says, these type of girls often marry middle-class Thai guys. The only chance a Farang has of accessing one of these is to be here a long time, stay away from the P4P venues (at least be discreet), move in the same kind of circles, have a good job and speak some Thai.
If you're a visitor, forget it.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]IMHO, middle-class girls are the best chance a Farang has of finding a good TG, who isn't a gold-digger (either by temperment or necessity), because she has her own money, comes from a good family, but who lacks pretensions.
But as JB says, these type of girls often marry middle-class Thai guys. The only chance a Farang has of accessing one of these is to be here a long time, stay away from the P4P venues (at least be discreet), move in the same kind of circles, have a good job and speak some Thai.
If you're a visitor forget it.[/QUOTE]
Of course why would a visitor be interested in such persons? No time to waste with tiresome experiences.
But I will point out that I have as a previous long-stayer and now as a permanent whatever had several 'middle class' girlfriends - basically I consider these people who have at least a BA, though more typically an MA, a professional job, drive a car, are afraid to ride on my motorbike, and whose family own at least one house that meets the 'western' standard. Most of my gf's have actually had lots and lots of real estate in the family, however. Some of my gf's have been of Isaan origin middle class (though 'chinese looking'), and some central Thai (dark, long nose).
The key as in any where else is that if she is very physically attractive she will probably already be married or will not be interested in a farang. If she's average or below average, she'll be very easy to get, particularly if over 30 and still unmarried. It is actually very common for professional women to be unmarried in Thailand as Thai men can't stand this type of woman. For me its never been necessary to have a 'good job', or any job at all, or even to speak much Thai as many girls speak some English. It helps of course to be below 40 and attractive.
However I can state that such involvements are a huge mistake for any farang - stick to P4P, its so much better.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]There is lots to add, of course. For one thing, I would say external shows of wealth are not always an indication of anything. There was a celebrated story a couple of months ago of a guy living large, who for years everyone thought was loaded, but who turned out to be living on credit and so in dept, that he killed himself when the creditors came knocking. The Thais have one of the largest credit-card debt per capita in the world.[/QUOTE]That's how I'm going to go at the end, full of cancer or whatever cums my way. Max out 20 credit cards and live it up at NEP with no condom like Opebo. Finish in a blaze of ecstasy with white powder in the jugular. Yahoo!
[QUOTE=Opebo]Of course why would a visitor be interested in such persons? No time to waste with tiresome experiences.
But I will point out that I have as a previous long-stayer and now as a permanent whatever had several 'middle class' girlfriends - basically I consider these people who have at least a BA, though more typically an MA, a professional job, drive a car, are afraid to ride on my motorbike, and whose family own at least one house that meets the 'western' standard. Most of my gf's have actually had lots and lots of real estate in the family, however. Some of my gf's have been of Isaan origin middle class (though 'chinese looking'), and some central Thai (dark, long nose).
The key as in any where else is that if she is very physically attractive she will probably already be married or will not be interested in a farang. If she's average or below average, she'll be very easy to get, particularly if over 30 and still unmarried. It is actually very common for professional women to be unmarried in Thailand as Thai men can't stand this type of woman. For me its never been necessary to have a 'good job', or any job at all, or even to speak much Thai as many girls speak some English. It helps of course to be below 40 and attractive.
However I can state that such involvements are a huge mistake for any farang - stick to P4P, its so much better.[/QUOTE]I would take it further than that, I for one have had plenty of middle class Thai's, either owning, or their parents owning, their own house, who drive nice Honda Civic's or Accords and have good jobs, or who were finishing their degree's at University.
Time is the key of course (as well as your ability to be discrete if required as some of these girls are shy about being "seen" with a farang too much in the open), if you are here long term the fruits that can ne enjoyed are endless, but as has been said, this is not for short term tourists to try, there is no point wasting time.
The old school are getting increasingly frustrated by all this behaviour, which is why they are more and more "concerned" over falling moral standards. But it is inevitable that change will come, and as much as the old school fights it, it cannot prevent it happening, and in time the lines that presently divide people will become more and more blurred.
Old money hates new money, thats a common theme in Asia, but old money is also falling into new hands, hands that nowadays do not care about the history or the future. Look at Indonesia, you'll see nearly every third generation is pissing away the money the first two generations worked hard to make...............but such is life :)
Hello, guys,
Years ago there was the famous bangkokchat very powerful and perfectly crowded. It was funny to chat from europe, find new girls from abroad and then meet for real, I add some good expereiences (in addition to the numerous other possibilities) nowadays bangkokchat has changed, it is empty and in spite of many searches I didn't found any good chat with a lot of people.
If you have some good technical idea I would appreciate.
[QUOTE=Opebo]However I can state that such involvements are a huge mistake for any farang - stick to P4P, its so much better.[/QUOTE]
You're entitle to your POV. But, since the origin of this topic was a sincere desire on the part of Taiwan Laowai to pursue NON-P4P TGs and wanting to know how to differentiate HiSo from those that may merely be MidSo, a comment about P4P being "better" is irrelevant.
Opebo, there are plenty of guys even on here who want a relationship; something that appears to scare you and/or bore you to distraction. The 3F philosophy is perfectly acceptable if one lives one's life as a perpetual teenager in a constant cycle of empy P4P experiences, as you do.
But, mature men ultimately prefer something a bit more substantial.
Greetings!
I have done a couple of searches of the Thailand forum and cannot quite find a clear answer to this question. Upon my first vacation trip to Bangkok in February, what can I expect from customs officials if I only have a binder with selected reports from this forum and various pics of girls from a couple escort agencies in Bangkok? If I say I am on vacation, I know that I am going to get questioned much more than another who says business and if the binder is not in my checked bags it might be less suspicious. Still, is there a chance that a customs official will actually peruse the binder and see that I am on a mongering vacation (whether or not he sees the pics or the reports)?
Thanks ahead of time for assistance.
I know this probably doesn't add much to this thread, but it may help. I work with a Thai nurse. She's very light skinned, from Bangkok, and her English is perfect. She told me she learnt English at school, and did her nursing qualification in Thailand. She is a wee bit chunky, though tall, but cute as, and a lovely girl as well. She lives here in Oz and has a boyfriend-lucky bastard. So it seems that there are middle class, well educated, English speaking Thai girls out there who like farangs. Just an observation.
Cheers
Pete
[quote=hoboken michael]greetings!
i have done a couple of searches of the thailand forum and cannot quite find a clear answer to this question. upon my first vacation trip to bangkok in february, what can i expect from customs officials if i only have a binder with selected reports from this forum and various pics of girls from a couple escort agencies in bangkok? if i say i am on vacation, i know that i am going to get questioned much more than another who says business and if the binder is not in my checked bags it might be less suspicious. still, is there a chance that a customs official will actually peruse the binder and see that i am on a mongering vacation (whether or not he sees the pics or the reports)?
thanks ahead of time for assistance.[/quote]hi,
i woud advice not to carry the pic's & info., in a worst case if the customs go thru your bags, chances are remote, if there in doubt they tell you to put your bags thru the xray.
once they lay there hands with pics they will surely know that you have come to mongering and also you will looking for sex with **** girls, which is serious.
why carry with you.. just upload them to your emails and then go thru them in the netcafes, a far safe way. i am frequest vistor to thai & se for the past 10 yrs.
i don't know from which country you are from, even these could land you in trouble with the imigration / customs if your are flying out us. in case your are us national, my advice is alo not to take back any of pic's back home. the guys luv to screw back the vistors coming back from bkk, vet or combodia as they know these places are sex paradise. they go thru your lap top & digi cameras also.
cheers
Hoboken Michael:
You did not indicate if you are smuggling the info into Thailand or into the U.S. I would worry more about U.S. customs than Thai. I would suggest e-mailing the reports and photos to yourself using g-mail, hotmail, yahoo, excite, etc.
I think that Thailand Customs won't do anything more then just stamp your passport and call for the next person in line after you tell them you are a tourist on vacation. With the amount of people who visit Thailand, customs doesn't have time to question anyone who is a tourist that is coming into their country. And there are hundreds of thousands that visit Thailand each year. I have been to Thailand for the past three years and when I get to the customs desk at Bangkok airport and show my American passport he stamps it and I'm on my way to pick up my luggage and find my driver. The biggest delay is getting to the customs desk as there are usually hundreds of other people waiting in line with you. As long as your passport is in order and you've filled out the entry/exit card properly, you will be fine. I carry onto the plane my backpack with my laptop, digitial camera, cellphone and video camera and reading material and they haven't ever looked at it once.
Unless you hit him on the head with your binder they are never going to look at it or care about it!
I'd stay away from the escort services in Bangkok as they are all way over priced. If you've visited the Thailand forum websites they will suggest you go to the beer bars or go-go or pick up the girls from the Nana hotel parking lot rather call for escorts.
The following are Pattaya forum websites that I visit but they all have information on the action in Bangkok and other Thailand cities...
[url]http://www.pattaya-addicts.com[/url]
[url]http://www.**************.com[/url]
[url]http://www.pattayatalk.com[/url]
[QUOTE=Hoboken Michael]Greetings!
I have done a couple of searches of the Thailand forum and cannot quite find a clear answer to this question. Upon my first vacation trip to Bangkok in February, what can I expect from customs officials if I only have a binder with selected reports from this forum and various pics of girls from a couple escort agencies in Bangkok? If I say I am on vacation, I know that I am going to get questioned much more than another who says business and if the binder is not in my checked bags it might be less suspicious. Still, is there a chance that a customs official will actually peruse the binder and see that I am on a mongering vacation (whether or not he sees the pics or the reports)?
Thanks ahead of time for assistance.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Maphrao]Hello, guys,
Years ago there was the famous bangkokchat very powerful and perfectly crowded. It was funny to chat from europe, find new girls from abroad and then meet for real, I add some good expereiences (in addition to the numerous other possibilities) nowadays bangkokchat has changed, it is empty and in spite of many searches I didn't found any good chat with a lot of people.
If you have some good technical idea I would appreciate.[/QUOTE]Ah yes, the good old days of BangkokChat. It was wonderful and I used it exclusively for a period of time, you could find working girls looking for a fix up, and also normal girls looking for fun, and students looking to find money on the side. I used to get a couple of new girls every week, one for Sat and one for Sun.
However, certain idiots decided they would be abusive on it, and the Police in the end listed it as a site to be watched owing to reports in the media about chat sites being used for P4P purposes, and the owners got shut down and yes, now its back but its completely useless.
Never mind, you have given me a quick reminder of how wonderful it used to be, so many nice memories.
It needs someone to start it up again, on a site hosted outside Thailand, and back to the old way, no registration, no real rules and chat about what you want.
[QUOTE=Owl_]I think that Thailand Customs won't do anything more then just stamp your passport and call for the next person in line after you tell them you are a tourist on vacation. [/QUOTE] I have never seen customs stamping a passport. And they don't check most of the crowds, but they do pick people at random. I might be wrong, but I think they are more after the second bottle of Spirits or the excess cigarettes.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]1. You're entitle to your POV. But, since the origin of this topic was a sincere desire on the part of Taiwan Laowai to pursue NON-P4P TGs and wanting to know how to differentiate HiSo from those that may merely be MidSo, a comment about P4P being "better" is irrelevant.
2. Opebo, there are plenty of guys even on here who want a relationship; something that appears to scare you and/or bore you to distraction. The 3F philosophy is perfectly acceptable if one lives one's life as a perpetual teenager in a constant cycle of empy P4P experiences, as you do.
But, mature men ultimately prefer something a bit more substantial.[/QUOTE]1. I would offer IMO that it is relevant for the sake of any farang reader including the best interests of TL. Even more so in light of the constantly hilarious remarks claiming ladies at Siam are so much more hot than those at Nana, & other such drivel. The integrity of this site demands a response.
2. More food for comedy here. From one who comes across as quite miserable in so many posts, why should anyone take you seriously? You claim Grumpy is an online persona you invented, and in real life you are a mild manered Clark Kent, or Opebo, but I believe we get the real you.
This forum allows you to vent about the hypocrisies of Thai culture which you can only dream of doing in the classroom.
[QUOTE=Hoboken Michael]Greetings!
I only have a binder with selected reports from this forum and various pics of girls from a couple escort agencies in Bangkok?
is there a chance that a customs official will actually peruse the binder and see that I am on a mongering vacation .[/QUOTE]You would not have a problem with customs when entering in Thailand but this is how Mr. Jackson thinks about your binder with copy’s from his website. LOL? Or maybe not?
"ALL images, text, and graphics are COPYRIGHTED material!. However, you MUST have our express written consent before proceeding. So, please don't copy, steal or alter any images or graphics from this web site.
J. E.
I have been introduced to a thai woman via a mutual friend. Although she did not talk about her situation, I insisted on visiting her family house to find out about her. Turns out that her father has a successful business, large family house, all mod cons, couple of cars, couple of motor cycles, 2 trucks etc.
So she is independent, and has not asked me for a thing.
She dotes on me, and we always have wonderful times together. At first, she was very reserved about sex, but once she had her first orgasm, and her first daty, she has blossomed, not insatiable, but always ready for more.
This is something I have also found in the Philippines, their men either do not know how to sexually satisfy their women, or don't care, or both.
And I have been told quite a few times that both filipina and Thai women know that falangs take care of their sexual needs, and this certainly adds to the attraction. So in some ways, we have an advantage over the local men.
john - I have no idea of whether your post was in jest or not - but it's like this - "copyright" ONLY applies to "reuse" - YOU can COPY anything YOU want and as long as YOU don't sell it or republish it (it's for YOUR PERSONAL USE) YOU have no problem with copyright laws. it's what's called "fair use" and it's what has the music industry so up in arms - IF you were to make it available other than thru the originating site, YOU would have a problem. A binder of clips and printouts is OK
[QUOTE=Hoboken Michael]Greetings!
Still, is there a chance that a customs official will actually peruse the binder and see that I am on a mongering vacation (whether or not he sees the pics or the reports)?
Thanks ahead of time for assistance.[/QUOTE]
Entering LOS won't be a problem, but I would be careful when you return stateside. If LOS is your only stop, others have reported customs searching their hard drive, etc.
Enjoy
Look buddy, you are going to be mongering in Thailand not doing a case study you must work for IRS, othewise you wouldn't be so somwhat anal in my opinion to putting yourself in a situation with the U.S custom.
If you can't remember things make some note on a notepad and if you are interested in a photo some other member placed on the Photo thread make a copy and tug it away. I have a excellent memory and have printed a copy of a girl picture before and when I got to the go-go bar, even with the picture I could'nt point her out. What are you going to do walk around with the binder. Save yourself the aggrevation and trouble and go to a internet shop and log on to ISG and bone up!
In Thailand immigration you have a 2 step process the last step is half ass. When you get off the airplane after a long walk you will get to Immigration they will check you passport and stamp it. After you pick up your luggage as you are going out there is a check point. I believe there is a area for paying duty and a area that you don't have any duty. Most tourist would be this area. You will see a few guys in uniform standing around and a X-ray machine. You will seldom be searched if your luggage is a normal looking like a suitcase, etc... and just walk pass them with everyone else. Don't pay mind to them. But if you have large boxes and coolers and rubbermaid tubs from my experience you are going to be 99% stop. I have on a regular bases arrived at the airport with boxes of supplies from the U.S. instead of the normal luggage each time I was pulled over and had my boxes inspected or X-ray. I just let them know that I married to a Thai and that everything is for them and the house. Garbage bags and all!
When you come home to the U.S. As soon as you hit immigration the first one you hear out of the guys is " What was you doing in Thailand " This itself is a red flag! They are thinking were you there for the little Boys ? So whatever the chances leave the binder at home.
That's just my opinion! LBM
I use Ambien to sleep on planes. I would like to bring it into Thailand with me. It will be in a small cardboard box, not a pill bottle. The box is written in Spanish and it says in Spanish that this is a prescription drug. But, I don't have a prescription (because in reality many pharmacies here will sell it without a prescription). So:
1) Maybe they sell it in Thailand and there is no point to bringing it in but then could somebody tell me what the fuck it is called over there?
2) What is the chance they will search my luggage?
3) If they do, what is the chance these pills will upset them?
4) If the pills upset them and I play dumb and say, "Well, just throw them away then; I did not know there was a problem," will I do years and years in a Thai penitentiary?
5) Would I be better off with the box in my pocket or in my luggage?
[QUOTE=Dickhead]I use Ambien to sleep on planes. I would like to bring it into Thailand with me. It will be in a small cardboard box, not a pill bottle. The box is written in Spanish and it says in Spanish that this is a prescription drug. But, I don't have a prescription (because in reality many pharmacies here will sell it without a prescription). So:
1) Maybe they sell it in Thailand and there is no point to bringing it in but then could somebody tell me what the fuck it is called over there?
2) What is the chance they will search my luggage?
3) If they do, what is the chance these pills will upset them?
4) If the pills upset them and I play dumb and say, "Well, just throw them away then; I did not know there was a problem," will I do years and years in a Thai penitentiary?
5) Would I be better off with the box in my pocket or in my luggage?[/QUOTE]Just get a small Advil or Tylenol bottle and put them in there with the other pills. Always works for me.
I bring a few Xannax and Percocets with me when ever I travel and have never had a problem with TSA.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]I use Ambien to sleep on planes. I would like to bring it into Thailand with me. It will be in a small cardboard box, not a pill bottle. The box is written in Spanish and it says in Spanish that this is a prescription drug. But, I don't have a prescription (because in reality many pharmacies here will sell it without a prescription). So:
1) Maybe they sell it in Thailand and there is no point to bringing it in but then could somebody tell me what the fuck it is called over there?
2) What is the chance they will search my luggage?
3) If they do, what is the chance these pills will upset them?
4) If the pills upset them and I play dumb and say, "Well, just throw them away then; I did not know there was a problem," will I do years and years in a Thai penitentiary?
5) Would I be better off with the box in my pocket or in my luggage?[/QUOTE]
Take whatever you wish with you. I have been many-many times to Thailand and they never stoped me for inspection.
Go through the green, nothing to declare, channel.
I use Stilnox and I always carry them with me on long flights.
They might stop Thais but not the tourists. Dont't worry.
The only thing that the immigration officer might ask you is how long do you intend to stay.
Suerte
El Greco
Gracias griego. Normally when I go through immigration I present my return ticket along with my passport. I have a ticket out of the country 15-16 days after I arrive.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Gracias griego. Normally when I go through immigration I present my return ticket along with my passport. I have a ticket out of the country 15-16 days after I arrive.[/QUOTE]
If you like going to the beach try the very popular Jomtien to the south or the Wongamat to the north.
Have fun.
You have never seen the customs official stamp your passport??? Do you mean that you do not watch the customs official as he stamps your passport with the date upon which you enter their country? When they stamp your passport upon entering Thailand, they use a stamp to mark your passport and it will have the date when you arrived and the date your stay is good until, which is usually 30 days from the time you arrive. When you enter Hong Kong, they stamp your passport with the date you arrive and another stamp which states that you are allowed to stay in Hong Kong for 90 days. You should be right there standing at the customs desk looking right at the official doing his job stamping your passport! I really don't understand what you mean that you have never seen customs stamp a passport! You should alway be watching what anyone is doing with your passport if it leaves your hand.
And the likelihood of customs stopping a person because he has a binder with information in it is highly unlikely as I stated. I didn't say that people did not get stopped by customs. I said that if his passport was in order and he filled out his entry/exit papers were in order that he would make it thought customs with his binder without any problem.
Read what LittleBigMan wrote about his experience and advice entering Thailand below. If you look like a tourist and have normal tourist looking stuff and baggage, then you are going to walk right on through with out customs ever giving you a second glance. If you have it in a backpack to put the binder in they will never even see it As i think that this person has never traveled out the the country before and he is worrying about nothing. As for having references information to places to go while in Thailand, be it massage parlors and go-gos and beer bars or night clubs, there is no law in Thailand against having it that I know of! Unless of course it child porn! But he only talked about...
"selected reports from this forum and various pics of girls from a couple escort agencies in Bangkok?"
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]I have never seen customs stamping a passport. And they don't check most of the crowds, but they do pick people at random. I might be wrong, but I think they are more after the second bottle of Spirits or the excess cigarettes.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Owl_]You have never seen the customs official stamp your passport??? Do you mean that you do not watch the customs official as he stamps your passport with the date upon which you enter their country? When they stamp your passport upon entering Thailand, they use a stamp to mark your passport and it will have the date when you arrived and the date it is good until which is usually 30 days from the time you arrive. When you enter Hong Kong, they stamp your passport with the date you arrive and another stamp which states that you are allowed to stay in Hong Kong for 90 days. You should be right there standing at the customs desk looking right at the official doing his job! I really don't understand what you mean that you have never seen customs stamp a passport![/QUOTE]to Tiger and OWL
Yes they do stamp your US passport and my are full of it some country in Europe are using computer scaning system ,I just receive my new passport it have a RFID micro chip in it it can hold info like eyes scan and finger print but country like thailand are a little behind in high tech.
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Owl_]You have never seen the customs official stamp your passport??? Do you mean that you do not watch the customs official as he stamps your passport with the date upon which you enter their country? When they stamp your passport upon entering Thailand, they use a stamp to mark your passport and it will have the date when you arrived and the date your stay is good until, which is usually 30 days from the time you arrive. When you enter Hong Kong, they stamp your passport with the date you arrive and another stamp which states that you are allowed to stay in Hong Kong for 90 days. You should be right there standing at the customs desk looking right at the official doing his job stamping your passport! I really don't understand what you mean that you have never seen customs stamp a passport! You should alway be watching what anyone is doing with your passport if it leaves your hand.
And the likelihood of customs stopping a person because he has a binder with information in it is highly unlikely as I stated. I didn't say that people did not get stopped by customs. I said that if his passport was in order and he filled out his entry/exit papers were in order that he would make it thought customs with his binder without any problem.
Read what LittleBigMan wrote about his experience and advice entering Thailand below. If you look like a tourist and have normal tourist looking stuff and baggage, then you are going to walk right on through with out customs ever giving you a second glance. If you have it in a backpack to put the binder in they will never even see it As i think that this person has never traveled out the the country before and he is worrying about nothing. As for having references information to places to go while in Thailand, be it massage parlors and go-gos and beer bars or night clubs, there is no law in Thailand against having it that I know of! Unless of course it child porn! But he only talked about...
"selected reports from this forum and various pics of girls from a couple escort agencies in Bangkok?"[/QUOTE]
Customs officials should have fuck all to do with your passport, it's the immigration officials who do that in every country I have been to. There is a difference believe it or not.
Thank you for pointing out my mistake in grouping the two department together as one, since they work together seamlessly. But if you cannot make it through customs into a country, then they do have a say on what happens in immigrations with your passport.
[QUOTE=Petemcc]Customs officials should have fuck all to do with your passport, it's the immigration officials who do that in every country I have been to. There is a difference believe it or not.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]A note on the P4P girls. Uneducated, yet street smart. Due to upbringing and social back ground, they only chance for a proper job would be the super market or being a maid. Screwing at THB 30-50K a month obviously beats cleaning floors.
JB[/QUOTE]Has anyone found some P4P ladies to be showing signs of possible drug use? For example, eyes often pop up towards the top of the head, so that only the white of the eye is seen. Or eating lots of sugary junk food like heroin addicts do? Or tweaking?
[QUOTE=Owl_]Thank you for pointing out my mistake in grouping the two department together as one, since they work together seamlessly. But if you cannot make it through customs into a country, then they do have a say on what happens in immigrations with your passport.[/QUOTE]Whether they work seaminglessly together or not, Immigration don't care what you smuggle and customs don't give a sh.. on how long you overstay. And in Thailand you go through immigration first, then get your luggage and then go through custroms. Completely separate procedures.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]I use Ambien to sleep on planes.
1) Maybe they sell it in Thailand and there is no point to bringing it in but then could somebody tell me what the fuck it is called over there?
2) What is the chance they will search my luggage?
3) If they do, what is the chance these pills will upset them?
4) If the pills upset them and I play dumb and say, "Well, just throw them away then; I did not know there was a problem," will I do years and years in a Thai penitentiary?
5) Would I be better off with the box in my pocket or in my luggage?[/QUOTE]
All non-issues in LOS to customs when entering the country
Hello friends,
I have RTFF the thread here and also seen the much suggested 5 day report in the distinctions section by Phaquer (or something like that).
I also came across posts which said that the gals in BKK are pure prostitutes and very ugly. That kinda concerned me because I am used to the beautiful (or so I feel) babes from Ipanema in OT (Singapore) and do not want to settle with any ugly ones on my first ever monger-trip to BKK next month.
One thing that I still find unanswered is that how to get the better looking gals, and not the roadside cheap prostitutes (I often read about the Nana hotel parking lot) - not sure how those gals are but from the pics in the Photos section they do not look all that beautiful.
Please do not come back asking me to RTFF the thread, if you can help me - please suggest where to stay so that I am closer to the beautiful gals pick up joint and where to look for the beauties.
I ain't expecting JLos or Tata Young kinds... but if you have seen some of the very cute and good looking Viet babes from Ipanema in Sing, you would know...
One more thing that I intend to try out is the soapy massage... have dreamt about it for a long time now :)
Suggestions / comments welcome!
-R.
You can find beautiful girls all over SE Asia. I have picked up a few stunners in OT Singapore, and quite a few in BKK. The big difference for me is cost/attitude, where BKK wins hands down IMHO. The other difference is make-up - and you are more likely to be 'seduced' by a girl wearing full war-paint in Ipanema than a secretay earning some extra cash by working at the Beergarden or Nana car-park. If you want the full glamour look try the discos and the go-go bars. But as many reports will tell you, the most beautiful girls will not always provide the best experience (in fact usually the opposite). But in any case, you will not have to settle with ugly ones if you don't want to.
[QUOTE=Rbamane]I am used to the beautiful (or so I feel) babes from Ipanema in OT (Singapore) and do not want to settle with any ugly ones on my first ever monger-trip to BKK next month.
-R.[/QUOTE]
I could not help but laugh at your post. If you think the Ipanema babes are 'beautiful', what makes you think LOS will be different? They all come from the same stock.
Relax, find a nice place in Sukhumvit area and have a good time.
I ran across this article in the New York Times concerning the latest court cases going on about US customs checking laptops. Basically it sounds like if you do have any kind of pictures on there, keep them encrypted and don't offer up the password if asked. I have never been checked in all my many years and trips, but you never know when "big brother" will take an interest in you.
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January 7, 2008
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If Your Hard Drive Could Testify ...
By ADAM LIPTAK
A couple of years ago, Michael T. Arnold landed at the Los Angeles International Airport after a 20-hour flight from the Philippines. He had his laptop with him, and a customs officer took a look at what was on his hard drive. Clicking on folders called “Kodak pictures” and “Kodak memories,” the officer found child pornography.
The search was not unusual: the government contends that it is perfectly free to inspect every laptop that enters the country, whether or not there is anything suspicious about the computer or its owner. Rummaging through a computer’s hard drive, the government says, is no different than looking through a suitcase.
One federal appeals court has agreed, and a second seems ready to follow suit.
There is one lonely voice on the other side. In 2006, Judge Dean D. Pregerson of Federal District Court in Los Angeles suppressed the evidence against Mr. Arnold.
“Electronic storage devices function as an extension of our own memory,” Judge Pregerson wrote, in explaining why the government should not be allowed to inspect them without cause. “They are capable of storing our thoughts, ranging from the most whimsical to the most profound.”
Computer hard drives can include, Judge Pregerson continued, diaries, letters, medical information, financial records, trade secrets, attorney-client materials and — the clincher, of course — information about reporters’ “confidential sources and story leads.”
But Judge Pregerson’s decision seems to be headed for reversal. The three judges who heard the arguments in October in the appeal of his decision seemed persuaded that a computer is just a container and deserves no special protection from searches at the border. The same information in hard-copy form, their questions suggested, would doubtless be subject to search.
The United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, in Richmond, Va., took that position in a 2005 decision. It upheld the conviction of John W. Ickes Jr., who crossed the Canadian border with a computer containing child pornography. A customs agent’s suspicions were raised, the court’s decision said, “after discovering a video camera containing a tape of a tennis match which focused excessively on a young ball boy.”
It is true that the government should have great leeway in searching physical objects at the border. But the law requires a little more — a “reasonable suspicion” — when the search is especially invasive, as when the human body is involved.
Searching a computer, said Jennifer M. Chacón, a law professor at the University of California, Davis, “is fairly intrusive.” Like searches of the body, she said, such “an invasive search should require reasonable suspicion.”
An interesting supporting brief filed in the Arnold case by the Association of Corporate Travel Executives and the Electronic Frontier Foundation said there have to be some limits on the government’s ability to acquire information.
“Under the government’s reasoning,” the brief said, “border authorities could systematically collect all of the information contained on every laptop computer, BlackBerry and other electronic device carried across our national borders by every traveler, American or foreign.” That is, the brief said, “simply electronic surveillance after the fact.”
The government went even further in the case of Sebastien Boucher, a Canadian who lives in New Hampshire. Mr. Boucher crossed the Canadian border by car about a year ago, and a customs agent noticed a laptop in the back seat.
Asked whether he had child pornography on his laptop, Mr. Boucher said he was not sure. He said he downloaded a lot of pornography but deleted child pornography when he found it.
Some of the files on Mr. Boucher’s computer were encrypted using a program called Pretty Good Privacy, and Mr. Boucher helped the agent look at them, apparently by entering an encryption code. The agent said he saw lots of revolting pornography involving children.
The government seized the laptop. But when it tried to open the encrypted files again, it could not. A grand jury instructed Mr. Boucher to provide the password.
But a federal magistrate judge quashed that subpoena in November, saying that requiring Mr. Boucher to provide it would violate his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. Last week, the government appealed.
The magistrate judge, Jerome J. Niedermeier of Federal District Court in Burlington, Vt., used an analogy from Supreme Court precedent. It is one thing to require a defendant to surrender a key to a safe and another to make him reveal its combination.
The government can make you provide samples of your blood, handwriting and the sound of your voice. It can make you put on a shirt or stand in a lineup. But it cannot make you testify about facts or beliefs that may incriminate you, Judge Niedermeier said.
“The core value of the Fifth Amendment is that you can’t be made to speak in ways that indicate your guilt,” Michael Froomkin, a law professor at the University of Miami, wrote about the Boucher case on his Discourse.net blog.
But Orin S. Kerr, a law professor at the George Washington University, said Judge Niedermeier had probably gotten it wrong. “In a normal case,” Professor Kerr said in an interview, “there would be a privilege.” But given what Mr. Boucher had already done at the border, he said, making him provide the password again would probably not violate the Fifth Amendment.
There are all sorts of lessons in these cases. One is that the border seems be a privacy-free zone. A second is that encryption programs work. A third is that you should keep your password to yourself. And the most important, as my wife keeps telling me, is that you should leave your laptop at home.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]I could not help but laugh at your post. If you think the Ipanema babes are 'beautiful', what makes you think LOS will be different? They all come from the same stock.
Relax, find a nice place in Sukhumvit area and have a good time.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, but I understand that your relaxed attitude comes from your prior experiences at BKK - it will be my first... so thats why it concerns me :)
[QUOTE=Mouse1]You can find beautiful girls all over SE Asia. I have picked up a few stunners in OT Singapore, and quite a few in BKK. The big difference for me is cost/attitude, where BKK wins hands down IMHO. The other difference is make-up - and you are more likely to be 'seduced' by a girl wearing full war-paint in Ipanema than a secretay earning some extra cash by working at the Beergarden or Nana car-park. If you want the full glamour look try the discos and the go-go bars. But as many reports will tell you, the most beautiful girls will not always provide the best experience (in fact usually the opposite). But in any case, you will not have to settle with ugly ones if you don't want to...[/QUOTE]
So should I assume that within the lot of all of them, I should be able to find the good ones pretty easy?
[QUOTE=Rbamane]So should I assume that within the lot of all of them, I should be able to find the good ones pretty easy?[/QUOTE]
Here is a hint, go into most any bar, take out a couple of 1000 baht notes and wave them around. The best looking girls will materialize in front of your eyes.
Seriously, in Bkk it is absolutely no problem to find top notch girls. You just may have to pay a bit more for the very best, but then most Thai girls in the P4P venues are pretty decent to start with.
There are few places in the world where good looking women are as readily available as they are in Thailand. Of course you have to like Asian women, not many big breasted blondes available in Thailand.
I have spent a lot of time in Ipanema and the old Top Ten in Singapore. There are places in Bkk where the selection is better. Go top dollar and head to Spasso's or CM2. You will pay more, but the girls are made up and dressed to kill. Of course they are no different then what you get down at the go-go bars. You just have to pay for the make-up and clothes.
Another option is to head on down to Livingstones or the other bars on Soi 33. You will pay more but the quality is theorectically better. Real life though is you can find top quality in a lot of different places. Just go and look.
[QUOTE=Rbamane] One thing that I still find unanswered is that how to get the better looking gals, and not the roadside cheap prostitutes (I often read about the Nana hotel parking lot) - not sure how those gals are but from the pics in the Photos section they do not look all that beautiful. -R.[/QUOTE]
You're absolutely correct - they're mostly all ugly. I suggest you stay home, or keep frequenting those other venues you are used to, and leave the ugly Thai ladies for all of the rest of us.
Thor - with 8gb flash drives out there for $50 or so and given that they are "tiny" (pocket sized - about the size of a pack of chewing gum) and easily encrypted as well, why would someone keep pix on the hard drive? They can look at my laptop anytime they want - my pix are actually on a card in my pocket (and it's also encrypted). You don't carry anything on the computer you don't want them to see. Better yet give them something mundane
In the case of Ickes - what if he stands up and says "I don't remember it any more". He shouldn't have "refused" - just have taken the lawyer's approach of "not to my recollection - I don't remember". Then they can go [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] up a rope
[QUOTE=Rbamane]Thanks, but I understand that your relaxed attitude comes from your prior experiences at BKK - it will be my first... so thats why it concerns me :)[/QUOTE]
Actually, as I get older (and older), I am less picky with looks and more concerned with service. If you're uptight about getting 9/10's, you'll end up jacking off rather than having fun.....
If you are really worried, suggest you go to some of the upscale private clubs or escort services....you'll get your 9/10 lookers but for a price. I can't guaranee service....maybe others might be more helpful
:D
[quote=dinghy]thor - with 8gb flash drives out there for $50 or so and given that they are "tiny" (pocket sized - about the size of a pack of chewing gum) and easily encrypted as well, why would someone keep pix on the hard drive? [/quote]
it's so easy to set up email accounts for free...gmail, yahoo, etc have virtually unlimited storage capacity - upload and keep out of sight. if something happens to you, your email disappears from the public forever!
ps - above assumes you're not some fucking pervert hiding child porn or other shit. and slightly off topic - us laws now say that if you engage in **** sex/prostitution overseas, you can and will be prosecuted in us courts. be good boys ;)
every month or so the topic of hard drive searches are brought up. i can never help but wonder what the fuck some of you guys are so scared of getting caught with. surely so long as you are not doing anything wrong, ie **** boys etc, then what can be so bad that a customs official is going to bang you up for. as long as the girls in the pictures clearly willing and do not look as though they have been forced into the shots, who gives two shits about where you store the images. and for christ sake, you have managed to sign up to an internet forum to ask these questions, why does it take trav1234 to tell you to set up a hotmail add with 10gb storage, every time the question is asked.
sid
Thanks buddy - that was really what I wanted to know. It helps :).
Is Livingstones bar the same as the Livingstone Lodge or is it different from it?
Good luck!
[QUOTE=Thor93]Here is a hint, go into most any bar, take out a couple of 1000 baht notes and wave them around. The best looking girls will materialize in front of your eyes.
Seriously, in Bkk it is absolutely no problem to find top notch girls. You just may have to pay a bit more for the very best, but then most Thai girls in the P4P venues are pretty decent to start with.
There are few places in the world where good looking women are as readily available as they are in Thailand. Of course you have to like Asian women, not many big breasted blondes available in Thailand.
I have spent a lot of time in Ipanema and the old Top Ten in Singapore. There are places in Bkk where the selection is better. Go top dollar and head to Spasso's or CM2. You will pay more, but the girls are made up and dressed to kill. Of course they are no different then what you get down at the go-go bars. You just have to pay for the make-up and clothes.
Another option is to head on down to Livingstones or the other bars on Soi 33. You will pay more but the quality is theorectically better. Real life though is you can find top quality in a lot of different places. Just go and look.[/QUOTE]
[quote=sidthesexist]every month or so the topic of hard drive searches are brought up. i can never help but wonder what the fuck some of you guys are so scared of getting caught with. surely so long as you are not doing anything wrong, ie **** boys etc, then what can be so bad that a customs official is going to bang you up for. as long as the girls in the pictures clearly willing and do not look as though they have been forced into the shots, who gives two shits about where you store the images.
sid[/quote]
you've obviously never been hassled by a over-zealous customs agent who is looking for evidence of child pornography and finds pics of perfectly legal but young looking girls. not fun, and potentially devastating. which is why some people do indeed give two shits.
[QUOTE=Shomohin]You've obviously never been hassled by a over-zealous customs agent who is looking for evidence of child pornography and finds pics of perfectly legal but young LOOKING girls. Not fun, and potentially devastating. Which is why some people do indeed give two shits.[/QUOTE]To avoid ANY kind of hassle (from customs, wifey and any other inquisitive folks), I simply encrypt the containers with my whoring files using PGPdisk. TrueCrypt is just as good. DON'T use Windiws file encryption. This automatically decrypts all files as soon as you log in (or so I believe).
[QUOTE=Rbamane]Thanks buddy - that was really what I wanted to know. It helps :).
Is Livingstones bar the same as the Livingstone Lodge or is it different from it?
Good luck![/QUOTE]
Yes, it is technically the Livingstones Sports Bar which is located in the Livingstone Lodge. You can even put the girls bar fine on your hotel bill. For those of you on an expense account it shows up as an innocent looking charge from the bar. It might even be more generic than that.
It it possible to go there and spend a week or two and never leave the hotel and have a different girl every night, although I suspect that might cause some problems with the girls. You would be pegged as the ultimate butterfly.
[QUOTE=Thor93]Yes, it is technically the Livingstones Sports Bar which is located in the Livingstone Lodge. You can even put the girls bar fine on your hotel bill. For those of you on an expense account it shows up as an innocent looking charge from the bar. It might even be more generic than that.
It it possible to go there and spend a week or two and never leave the hotel and have a different girl every night, although I suspect that might cause some problems with the girls. You would be pegged as the ultimate butterfly.[/QUOTE]
Rbamane
Besides the bar in livingstone's lodge, there are a plethora of bars up/down Soi 33. Two of my favorites are Monet and The Office. If you do decide to patronize these 'upscale' bars, first do your homework on which ones to avoid, etc. Giotto did a good summary of these bars on his thread.
Plus the barfines and ST/LT costs are substantially higher on Soi 33 than say Nana or Soi Cowboy (but less than escort services or private 'clubs').
As far as being a butterfly, don't listen to Tho; 93 - first, he's being overly modest; second, the girls at Livingstones luv butterflies, especially those that carry a lot of green :D
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Rbamane
As far as being a butterfly, don't listen to Tho; 93 - first, he's being overly modest; second, the girls at Livingstones luv butterflies, especially those that carry a lot of green :D[/QUOTE]
LOL, true enough. They love the money, but there is the whole issue of losing face. It is probably more of a problem if you take one girl for a day or two and then take another one. I imagine if you spread the word from day one you were taking a different one every night, that would not be a problem.
Always remember though - Thai girls are among the most jealous women on the face of the earth, even the working girls. As long as you keep it straight business, no problem, but express anything more and even though you are paying, they think they own you.
[QUOTE=Thor93]LOL, true enough. They love the money, but there is the whole issue of losing face. It is probably more of a problem if you take one girl for a day or two and then take another one. I imagine if you spread the word from day one you were taking a different one every night, that would not be a problem. [/QUOTE]
You're 99% correct, I was merely injecting some humor. Unless you tell them it's purely 'business', one should not jump from girl to girl at L's bar. In fact, I seldom BF from there, usually buy them drinks, help my clients and/or friends find the 'right' gal, and get my own take-out elsewhere.
OT, did you get an email from our favorite escort service in KL....did he raise prices again?
Hope to hook up sometime in 2008.
I have RTFFed and, other than an influx of Chinese (which I find strange since you're supposed to spend it in your ancestral home) I don't see much about the Lunar New Year. Do Thais observe it and, if so, is there much impact on the mongering?
I spent it in Beijing last year and I'll be damned if I'm doing it again. I was extremely relaxed after two weeks in Thailand and then I couldn't sleep for two weeks due to fireworks 24 hours a day.
Just spent nine nights at Livingstones over the New Year time.
I entered a report under the Lodge area the night before I left. I got the eight consecutive nights for the price of six plan, and one of the requirements is that you do a post on the Lodge. I originally didn't take this real serious - only thought they wanted to encourage you to post. I was pretty busy, and I was planning on doing my posts after I got back and had some time. To my surprise, when I was looking to settle up my bill the night before I left, Guido asked about my post. He said I needed to post and PM Giotto to get him to okay my discount. I went to the computer and made a post that focused only on the positives (of course, given the circumstances), and then sent a PM to Giotto to check it out.
I had to wait around about fifteen minutes or so afterwards to get Guido to come over for the okay on the discount. I had to call my friend and tell him I would have to move our dinner meeting time a hour later, so I wasn't real happy about that.
I'm posting this because I think newbies or others who have never been there need to be aware of the positive posts under the Lodge section. Although my post was not false, it only focused on positives. If you are looking for a critical analysis of the Lodge, I think it will be hard to find. I certainly felt coerced in my post for a discount that evening, and I think you need to look at the posts in that area with a critical eye.
BR,
The Thai observe every possible New Year, except Jewish.
They do Western:
Leaving BKK for their homelands upcountry, killing hundreds in the proces. This is right after Christmas, which the Thai observe just to take another holiday:
Leaving BKK for their homelands upcountry, killing hundreds in the proces
They do Chinese:
Leaving BKK for their homelands upcountry, killing hundreds in the proces
And they do Thai (Buddist):
Leaving BKK for their homelands upcountry, killing hundreds in the proces
All this BS starts up to a week in advance and lasts until up to a week afterwards. During this time, travel in the Kingdom is only for the hardy or the stupid.
[quote=jak]just spent nine nights at livingstones over the new year time.
i entered a report under the lodge area the night before i left. i got the eight consecutive nights for the price of six plan, and one of the requirements is that you do a post on the lodge. i originally didn't take this real serious - only thought they wanted to encourage you to post. i was pretty busy, and i was planning on doing my posts after i got back and had some time. to my surprise, when i was looking to settle up my bill the night before i left, guido asked about my post. he said i needed to post and pm giotto to get him to okay my discount. i went to the computer and made a post that focused only on the positives (of course, given the circumstances), and then sent a pm to giotto to check it out.
i had to wait around about fifteen minutes or so afterwards to get guido to come over for the okay on the discount. i had to call my friend and tell him i would have to move our dinner meeting time a hour later, so i wasn't real happy about that.
i'm posting this because i think newbies or others who have never been there need to be aware of the positive posts under the lodge section. although my post was not false, it only focused on positives. if you are looking for a critical analysis of the lodge, i think it will be hard to find. i certainly felt coerced in my post for a discount that evening, and i think you need to look at the posts in that area with a critical eye.[/quote]
mr. peeved,
if you are felling bribed, then there is no reason you must accept the discount. some don't. you could have written a completely honest view of the lodge including negatives. if fact why don't you go back and ammend your post if 24 hours haven't passed, or alternatively put in another review and admit that the previous one was time pressured?
the discount for forum members requires you to make a post. if you didn't do a proper post, why would you expect the discount?
i didn't claim a discount on my recent stay, because i had been too lazy to put in a review at the time also. to busy posting on other things.
so many people are expecting a big discount for doing nothing at all.
too mnay forum members are lazy to post, so unless the posting rule is enforced, they just won't bother. and so defeats the the purpose of having an active thread with lots of reviews about the lodge.t
you are not required to be positive. only honest and hopefully constructive. many guests have pointed out some weaknesses in their view and this helps the lodge improve by attempting to address problems that can be rectified. of course if someone complains that its not a 4 star hotel, its difficult to fix that as depends on what facilities are provided.
no one is being asked to lie about their expereince. the major purpose is really just to show that forum members are continuing to stay at the lodge and to see if they are having fun.
despite this, its true that some reporters may be influenced to ignore some negatives about their stay. it depends on their personality.
the lodge is not a perfect hotel. what hotel is, when employs thai staff, some of whom are reliable and others not? i can't find any hotel in thailand that is perfection and in my price bracket.
Jak,
I would love to see your honest post about the lodge and Im sure I wouldn't be the only one. Having stayed at the Livingstones and also visited purely for the bar, I am very curious to hear what you find negative about the place!
Sid
[QUOTE=Jak]Just spent nine nights at Livingstones over the New Year time.
I'm posting this because I think newbies or others who have never been there need to be aware of the positive posts under the Lodge section. Although my post was not false, it only focused on positives. If you are looking for a critical analysis of the Lodge, I think it will be hard to find. I certainly felt coerced in my post for a discount that evening, and I think you need to look at the posts in that area with a critical eye.[/QUOTE]
Giotto is a big boy and can take criticisim. As has been said, his place is not perfect and is not for everyone. He can be quite stubborn on some things which you can see by reading through the posts about the Lodge. I think he wants people to be honest in their posts. I know they respond to valid complaints.
I think for a newbie, it is probably one of the best places in Bkk to go to. If you can find Giotto there (remember to only ask for the boss) and appear to be lost in the ways of BKK, he will take the time to talk to you very openly and honestly about what your options might be. Try doing that at any other hotel in Bkk.
The offer of a discount for a post is genuine and I don't think there is any presumption or demand that it be positive. I realize it may be intimidating to write something negative while you are still there and might have to actually face him before you check out, but anyone who plays in this world should be man enough to be able to stand behind their words, positive or negative.
Here's Jak's original report (reproduced without permission. ;)) Actually sounds pretty accurate from my experiences staying at the Lodge.[QUOTE=Jak]My last night at Livingstones Lodge. Had a nice time here, and I'm glad I chose this place for my first stay in Bangkok. As it's been mentioned before, this place is like an oasis. My room was large and comfortable, and the king-sized bed was excellent (important for me since I have problems with my back sometimes). The bathroom was spacious and the shower was large with plenty of hot water when I felt like taking a long shower. I really liked the large safe in the room, and the air conditioner worked so well I had to get up in the middle of the night to turn it down a few times.
The pool area is very comfortable to hang out in, and your free breakfast can be had late in the afternoon if you are a late riser (had mine one day at 4:30PM). There is a computer for free internet use off of the pool area. The staff was always friendly, and Guido is an excellent host and always makes you feel welcome.
Since I was hanging out with a friend who lives here, I didn't use the services of the girls that hang out here. But I was very tempted. Several of them stick in my mind and I would have liked to satisfy my curiosity. But no problem, this is a nice place to stay even if you have another agenda than hanging out here at night. I was busy with visits to Thai families, invitations to parties, and various explorations of Bangkok.
I strongly recommend a stay here, especially if you are new to Bangkok. It's definitely worth checking out.[/QUOTE]
Thor is spot-on in his post. Couldn't have said it beter myself:
[QUOTE=Thor93]Giotto is a big boy and can take criticisim. As has been said, his place is not perfect and is not for everyone. He can be quite stubborn on some things which you can see by reading through the posts about the Lodge. I think he wants people to be honest in their posts. I know they respond to valid complaints. ...
I realize it may be intimidating to write something negative while you are still there and might have to actually face him before you check out, but anyone who plays in this world should be man enough to be able to stand behind their words, positive or negative.[/QUOTE]
I always speak highly of the place and recommend it to my friends, because I genuinely enjoy it there on my lay-overs. It's a friendly place with genuine personalized service. However, Jak, remember that it is a business also, not a charity. I'm a great advocate of the Lodge, but I don't expect discounts that I'm not entitled to (and I don't get them :( ).
In my several stays, I haven't had any complaints. One time the receptionist made a mistake on the final bill due to a misunderstanding (it wasn't a big amount). When I pointed it out to Giotto, he checked it out and fixed it. On a layover last year, Giotto proudly showed me my room in the new section of the lodge, which was nice, but I've since pointed out to him I prefer not to have that room again, as I'm a night-owl and a light sleeper (and usually sleep-deprived, jetlagged, shagged and hungover when I stay :)). It turned out that the maids' utility room was near the room, and I was woken by the maids chatting in the morning.
As Thor said, Giotto is a big boy and takes genuine feedback on board and fixes the problems.
[QUOTE=Jak]
...To my surprise, when I was looking to settle up my bill the night before I left, Guido asked about my post. He said I needed to post and PM Giotto to get him to okay my discount. I went to the computer and made a post that focused only on the positives (of course, given the circumstances), and then sent a PM to Giotto to check it out.
I had to wait around about fifteen minutes or so afterwards to get Guido to come over for the okay on the discount. I had to call my friend and tell him I would have to move our dinner meeting time a hour later, so I wasn't real happy about that.
I'm posting this because I think newbies or others who have never been there need to be aware of the positive posts under the Lodge section. Although my post was not false, it only focused on positives. If you are looking for a critical analysis of the Lodge, I think it will be hard to find. I certainly felt coerced in my post for a discount that evening, and I think you need to look at the posts in that area with a critical eye.[/QUOTE]Jak,
There are some rules to get the discount, there is a report in the Giotto's Lodge section in which these rules are listed, here the link:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=662806&postcount=14[/URL]
If you knew about the discount you should have read the rules too, then there were no surprise about writing a report. One of the rules is to write a report, for the main reason to support Jacksons forum. He gave me the opportunity to run the Giotto's Lodge forum within is site, and I want to give something back to him.
This reports do not necessarily need to be posted in the Giotto's Lodge forum, many members post about their adventures in Bangkok, when they stay at the Lodge. And - the reports also don't need to be positive about the Lodge, it is also necessary for us to get reasonable feedbacks that we can work on the issues to increase the quality levels of the Lodge.
I then need a PM for the report, because our hotel computer DOES NOT KNOW that you posted a report, and I cannot check all threads permanently. I somehow then have to connect your handle with your real name and room number to make sure that the discount is entered in your bill.
So if you only wrote a positive report about the Lodge to get the discount I would now like to encourage you to write your real opinion in the Bangkok Hotel thread. That would be helpful for other members to make up their mind during the selection process of a hotel - and if there are negatives it would help us to work on the issues.
Sorry for letting you wait 15 min., and causing a delay for your dinner.
Giotto
Hi guys,
Thanks for the feedback. Yes, Giotto, your rules are very clear about the discount process. I'll back down on my feelings expressed about the posting situation. I should have taken them more to heart and accepted them in the more strict manner that they are applied.
I still say that the process probably leaves many to be only focused on the positive about their experiences. If I had never visited and I knew the conditions under which many have posted, I would be leery of what to expect.
That said, I really don't have much to say in any negative critical manner. As I said in my post, my comments were all positive and not false. Big safe in the room, top quality king-size bed, etc. My issue is only with the business decision of what is required for posters getting the discount.
I have repeatedly stayed at many places promoted on the board - Aussie Greg's place in Medellin, Kenn and Gringo Management in Rio, and Jackson's apartment this past summer in B.A. I've never gone negative and got into petty bashing. I work in a service business and deal with people all the time. I know there are people that will just have problems no matter what. Actually, in the interest of being fair, I used the services of Gringo Management this summer with the intent of giving an objective posting of my experiences of the service since they are being bashed all the time on the board.
Anyhow, my post was not to convey that I had a bunch of grievances to air - I had a good experience and would consider staying there in the future or recommending it. Yes, no place is perfect, and I roll with little stuff, so I wouldn't even bother to nit-pick. I would just be leery of any business I'm considering using that has a model that has clients posting for the management before getting a discount.
Jak,
You can't let it go as you posted! You are quoted in your first paragraph " I'll back down on my feelings about posting situation " but yet the remainder of your post suggest otherwise!
" My issue is only with the business decision of what is required for posters getting discount "
"I would just be leery of any business I'm considering using that as a model that has clients posting for the management before getting the discount "
Being in the service industry my whole life before retiring I went beyond the level of service required in my job and took shit because I had to believe that the customer was always right! But the rules are very cleared, you stay 9 days and pay for 6 I believe! at 2500 baht a night I say you got more than a discount Jak!
What really should have matter is whether you had a good time? Instead your harping on and on because you were a little late for lunch or dinner and that wasn't because of Giotto rule. Look in the mirror and you will see the problem buddy! If I had the money to stay at Giotto place. I would have check-in picked up a lady at his bar, snag her left and right and in between go downstairs to do my post and end of story!
LBM
I was more interested in finding out what wasnt up to scratch at G's place, however, I have inadvertently fell upon this discount he is offering, in the mean time! WOW! 3 nights free? I'd gladly write a post on an internet forum for 7500bht! Thats more than 100quid!!! I cant imagine (well actually, I can:D ) what I'd do in BKK with a saving like that!!
Sid
Hello friends,
3 questions -
1) Heard the Chinese new year is starting from Feb 7 or sometime around then and the celebrations will go on for 2 weeks... does it impact the prices / quality / quantity of gals available in BKK? Am concerned coz it looks like I may be down there during that period.
2) If using protection, is mongering safe in BKK?
3) Is HCM city (Vietnam) cheaper for mongering or do you get the bang for your buck better in BKK?
Thanks,
-R.
[QUOTE=Jak]...
I still say that the process probably leaves many to be only focused on the positive about their experiences. If I had never visited and I knew the conditions under which many have posted, I would be leery of what to expect.
...[/QUOTE]Jak,
Thanks for your feedback.
It is not the first time that we have this problems with the discount administration rule - I simply don't know how to do that a better way than we try it at the moment.
I still want that guests applying for the discount support this forum, and after having given the discount many times for guests which promosed to "write the report later" (and it never happened) we are today a bit more strict with the rules.
Thanks anyway, for staying at Livingstone's Lodge and your report, I think it was worth the discussion and helps others to write a report early and avoid the problems.
Hope to see you again at the Lodge one day.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Rbamane]
3) Is HCM city (Vietnam) cheaper for mongering or do you get the bang for your buck better in BKK?[/QUOTE]
Not qualified to answer #1 and #2, but can tell you that Thailand (BKK and PTY) is definitely a huge step up from HCMC for what you want. It's possible to find a little available in Saigon for about the same price, but there is nothing even close to the volume or selection available in Thailand. No go-gos, no discos packed with working girls, no massage parlors like those in Thailand, it just doesn't compare at all. Dead, in comparison.
And if you are traveling at Chinese New Year, Vietnam is a tough place to travel to then -- it's Tet holiday, and room rates get raised, as they get fully booked, and it's tough to get seats on planes, trains and buses.
Excellent... good response
[QUOTE=Member #2041]You're absolutely correct - they're mostly all ugly. I suggest you stay home, or keep frequenting those other venues you are used to, and leave the ugly Thai ladies for all of the rest of us.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rbamane]2) If using protection, is mongering safe in BKK?[/QUOTE]Oh God, yes. Ninety-nine point nine nine percent.
At least better than the SW crack *****s in Canada.
Do you practice DATY, use no condom for BJ?
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Oh God, yes. Ninety-nine point nine nine percent.
At least better than the SW crack *****s in Canada.
Do you practice DATY, use no condom for BJ?[/QUOTE]
I don't practice DATY
I prefer BBBJCIM [no condom, cum in mouth] (luved that from Viets in Singapore) - is that advised against in BKK?
[url]http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/01/11/asia/AS-GEN-Thailand-No-Smoking.php[/url]
Can't wait!
Not everybody's taste - but anybody who can advise how to find pregnant girls in thailand - dont believe they can be found in bars? Appreciate your input.
[QUOTE=African Guru]Not everybody's taste - but anybody who can advise how to find pregnant girls in thailand - dont believe they can be found in bars? Appreciate your input.[/QUOTE]
Two nights ago, walking on Sukhumwit Road at about 1.30AM, hanging around approx. Soi 19, was a dark skinned girl with big belly, but looked doable (not ugly in my opinion). Either pregant or fake pregancy gimmick. I nearly stopped to see if she was truelly pregent. But how to test without touching?
Presumably she was looking for a pick up.
[QUOTE=African Guru]Not everybody's taste - but anybody who can advise how to find pregnant girls in thailand - dont believe they can be found in bars? Appreciate your input.[/QUOTE]If Opebo is around or any other barebackers brave enough to post info, they can probably advise. I think he haunts Chinatown when he's in BKK,
so that would be a good place to start.
[QUOTE=Rbamane]I don't practice DATY. I prefer BBBJCIM [no condom, cum in mouth] (luved that from Viets in Singapore) - is that advised against in BKK?[/QUOTE]
I don't personally practice this or know if ladies here are willing to let you do it, although had one offer CIM. Maybe check out the HIV STD thread. I've recieved many BBBJs from crack *****s and was lucky to never get a disease. If anything I think LOS would be safer, so you are probably ok, but not 100%.
as a "virgin" traveler to your country, i am wondering how many of you have passed through customs into thailand with medicines - heart/mental health (anti-depressants)/legal patches/liquid supplements (fish oils, etc.) when the customs department of thailand appears to be so strict on this issue.
in particular, several key bulleted points on the offical website for thai customs state that:
• dangerous drugs and psychotropic substances such as opium heroin, cannabis, lsd, ketamine, ecstasy, and etc;
• prosecution and confirep001ion of the prohibited/controlled items if they fail to produce a valid licence for the goods.
• plants and animals;
• medicines and chemical products;
so hypothetically, if i am carrying exactly all of the following: klonopin (anti-seizure med), valerian root (tranquilizer pills for sleeping), prozac, imodium, benadryl and no license/prescriptions for any of what i am carrying, what risk do i have at thai customs before exiting the airport and what exactly needs to be noted or not noted on the customs form that is handed to me earlier?
thanks,
michael
Friends,
I wanted to know where to find the best looking / best servicing gals in BKK, someone suggested Monet & The Office (or something like that)...let me know if you have more options.
Could someone give me a decent estimate on the latest price trend, I do not want to sound stupid trying to bargain at a very low rate nor a bigger stupid - agreeing to something ridiculously high! This being my first time to BKK - I want to be thoroughly prepared. Please tell me bar fine / ST / LT rates.
Thanks,
-R.
[QUOTE=Rbamane]I wanted to know where to find the best looking / best servicing gals in BKK, someone suggested Monet & The Office (or something like that)...let me know if you have more options.
Could someone give me a decent estimate on the latest price trend, I do not want to sound stupid trying to bargain at a very low rate nor a bigger stupid - agreeing to something ridiculously high! This being my first time to BKK - I want to be thoroughly prepared. Please tell me bar fine / ST / LT rates.
Thanks,
-R.[/QUOTE]
Monet and Office are just two of the many bars on Soi 33. They are not the best. Price does not give you best looking or best service. I will agree Monet and Office are two of the better places on Soi 33 IN MY OPINION ONLY, but there are some good places on 33 including Livingstones Green Parrot and others. Some you better watch your bill and your total and your change.
Bar fines ranged from 1,000 to 1,500 baht last I checked and girls ranged from 3,000 to 10,000 baht for Long Time, yeah 10,000 baht if you can imagine that. In GENERAL I have to tell you that girls on 33 will want 4,000 to 5,000 on average for LT. But you better clear it up ahead of time before you leave. For the most part, they have a set basic structure and won't try to rip you off. Not cheap for sure. Some girls, late at night or who are desperate you can try to pull for less. Drinks are averaged priced I find as cowboy and other places seem to have raised their drink prices.
Do not equate price with BEST. You can find what you want other places and for much lower if you like. However personally I am more of a fan of 33 as it is more laid back, not as crowded, not as pushy, etc.... But you can get a 1,000 to 2,000 baht girl from Gullivers who is great looking and of great quality. Depends what you want and where you are comfortable.
[QUOTE=Rbamane]Friends,
I wanted to know where to find the best looking / best servicing gals in BKK, someone suggested Monet & The Office (or something like that)...let me know if you have more options.
Could someone give me a decent estimate on the latest price trend, I do not want to sound stupid trying to bargain at a very low rate nor a bigger stupid - agreeing to something ridiculously high! This being my first time to BKK - I want to be thoroughly prepared.
-R.[/QUOTE]
I think it's time to [b] RTFF [/b]....you've been on this thread long enough now to learn how to read the previous FAQ post as well as the Report of Distinction.
Thanks maite, that would help :).
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Monet and Office are just two of the many bars on Soi 33. They are not the best. Price does not give you best looking or best service. I will agree Monet and Office are two of the better places on Soi 33 IN MY OPINION ONLY, but there are some good places on 33 including Livingstones Green Parrot and others. Some you better watch your bill and your total and your change.
Bar fines ranged from 1,000 to 1,500 baht last I checked and girls ranged from 3,000 to 10,000 baht for Long Time, yeah 10,000 baht if you can imagine that. In GENERAL I have to tell you that girls on 33 will want 4,000 to 5,000 on average for LT. But you better clear it up ahead of time before you leave. For the most part, they have a set basic structure and won't try to rip you off. Not cheap for sure. Some girls, late at night or who are desperate you can try to pull for less. Drinks are averaged priced I find as cowboy and other places seem to have raised their drink prices.
Do not equate price with BEST. You can find what you want other places and for much lower if you like. However personally I am more of a fan of 33 as it is more laid back, not as crowded, not as pushy, etc.... But you can get a 1,000 to 2,000 baht girl from Gullivers who is great looking and of great quality. Depends what you want and where you are comfortable.[/QUOTE]
I agree, but its possible that things may have changed recently - so was looking for some latest info from those who may have been there recently... and it doesn't hurt to ask for more participation... :)
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]I think it's time to [b] RTFF [/b]....you've been on this thread long enough now to learn how to read the previous FAQ post as well as the Report of Distinction.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rbamane]Friends,
I wanted to know where to find the best looking / best servicing gals in BKK, someone suggested Monet & The Office (or something like that)...let me know if you have more options.
Could someone give me a decent estimate on the latest price trend, I do not want to sound stupid trying to bargain at a very low rate nor a bigger stupid - agreeing to something ridiculously high! This being my first time to BKK - I want to be thoroughly prepared. Please tell me bar fine / ST / LT rates.
Thanks,
-R.[/QUOTE]
Why don't you chjeck out the BKK Escort Agency thread?
[quote=hoboken michael]as a "virgin" traveler to your country, i am wondering how many of you have passed through customs into thailand with medicines - heart/mental health (anti-depressants)/legal patches/liquid supplements (fish oils, etc.) when the customs department of thailand appears to be so strict on this issue.
in particular, several key bulleted points on the offical website for thai customs state that:
• dangerous drugs and psychotropic substances such as opium heroin, cannabis, lsd, ketamine, ecstasy, and etc;
• prosecution and confirep001ion of the prohibited/controlled items if they fail to produce a valid licence for the goods.
• plants and animals;
• medicines and chemical products;
so hypothetically, if i am carrying exactly all of the following: klonopin (anti-seizure med), valerian root (tranquilizer pills for sleeping), prozac, imodium, benadryl and no license/prescriptions for any of what i am carrying, what risk do i have at thai customs before exiting the airport and what exactly needs to be noted or not noted on the customs form that is handed to me earlier?
thanks,
michael[/quote]
unless you are bringing in large quanties of the above mentioned items thia customs isn;t going to say anything. just make sure you have a prescription bottle if possible. not in plastic bags which looks suspisous. most of the stuff you have mentioned can be bought at the local corner drugstore without a prescription.
[QUOTE=Rbamane]I agree, but its possible that things may have changed recently - so was looking for some latest info from those who may have been there recently... and it doesn't hurt to ask for more participation... :)[/QUOTE]
Define recently...mine is 'being lazy'
Define participation....mine is 'ignore list'
:(
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV] But you can get a 1,000 to 2,000 baht girl from Gullivers who is great looking and of great quality. Depends what you want and where you are comfortable.[/QUOTE]I think its important to reconfirm here that the girls work multiple bars. Some girls work two, some three or four bars, and so therefore don't think by picking up in one place she's only from there, or indeed limit your choices.
Some girls work Gullivers Soi 5 and Beer Garden Soi 7 (you'll see them alternate between the two, couple of hours in one, and if not luck then move to the other for a couple of hours, then back again etc..)
Some girls work Gullivers Soi 5, Beer Garden Soi 7, Absolute Soi 7/1.
Some girls work Gullivers Soi 5, Beer Garden Soi 7, Thermae.
And so on and so forth with a few other freelancer places thrown in. Very few girls work exclusively in one place, they may do this for a month or so, and then be exclusive in a different bar for a month or so.
I often hear people say the girls in "x" bar are better than "y" bar.......but at the end of the day the freelancers are generally not exclusive, and will work a lot of different bars. Different bars have different clients, and thats the important thing for a freelancer, exposure to potential customers.
My bad buddy... I did not intend what you interpreted... but my impression after reading through about 20+ pages was that this thread discusses a lot of interesting things other than just the BF/ST/LT prices... which is awesome! I am not complaining at all.
Don't get me wrong that I did not want to RTFF - just that the estimates I got did not make me feel comfortable enough mentally about the prices.
Don't be mad at me - we are all a community and have to learn from each others' experiences ... so peace! I need all the help and advice from experienced folks like yourself... and thanks for being around - it certainly helps :)
Take care and have fun,
-Rakesh.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Define recently...mine is 'being lazy'
Define participation....mine is 'ignore list'
:([/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Easy2007]I think its important to reconfirm here that the girls work multiple bars. [/QUOTE]
Goes without saying, just like we hit a few places so do the FL. I've seen many the same ladies all over Nana area from soi 3 to soi 8 this past week and a half. Not just one place, if an area is dead they move on, just like we do. There were some absolutely stunners on the walk from Soi 4 to Soi 8 today.
[QUOTE=Rbamane]My bad buddy... I did not intend what you interpreted... but my impression after reading through about 20+ pages was that this thread discusses a lot of interesting things other than just the BF/ST/LT prices... which is awesome! I am not complaining at all.
Don't get me wrong that I did not want to RTFF - just that the estimates I got did not make me feel comfortable enough mentally about the prices.
Don't be mad at me - we are all a community and have to learn from each others' experiences ... so peace! I need all the help and advice from experienced folks like yourself... and thanks for being around - it certainly helps :)
Take care and have fun,
-Rakesh.[/QUOTE]
If you read 20+ pages from all the threads you would have a very, very good idea about all the prices and things to do and places to visit.
Come back with specific questions and we will help you.
So RTFF.
I agree, I have read only the 20 pages or so from one of the Thailand threads... need to do it in all of them, thanks!
[QUOTE=Duniawala]If you read 20+ pages from all the threads you would have a very, very good idea about all the prices and things to do and places to visit.
Come back with specific questions and we will help you.
So RTFF.[/QUOTE]
Do any of you have reports/stories to offer of bringing "furry handcuffs" from your local sex shop while on your vacation to Thailand. I have a pair of furry cuffs that are tempting to bring in Feb. And have used them on a gal who I recently had an affair with in NYC who loved to wear them while being picked up and screwed hard. Cowgirl. Against a mirror. This took place in a NYC short-time hotel. Expensive at $60 per hour when I had visited and she got a real kick the couple of times that we broke the mirror and there may have been consequences.
Luckily, I had signed my name "Mickey Mouse" at the front desk upon registration and could not be tracked once having left the hotel. And when we went back to the hotel, we had different front desk clerks most of the time.
Any stories? Lucky for me, she loved the "M" in "S&M"!
I just found that Superrich in Bangkok who give by far the best exchange rates have them online.
Here is the link. You need to register (its free) to see them.
[url]http://www.superrich1965.com/node/40[/url]
Attached: an example Ratesheet for Jamuary 19, 2008. Just compare it with Bangkok Bank.
Nope Tiger, in person, both places are buying a $100 USD bill for 3285 baht. Exactly the same rate.
My experience is that, absent a clerical error, i.e. one place has yet to update their daily rate sheet, and the other has, that the best and the worst banks in Bangkok won't vary by more than around 5 baht (~15 cents) per $100 USD.
I did once stumble across a branch of a bank with a day-old rate sheet posted that didn't comprehend an overnight 0.36% drop in the dollar, so that morning, I changed $500 there. Another branch of the same bank 3 blocks away had the correct (12 baht/$100 USD lower) rate.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Nope Tiger, in person, both places are buying a $100 USD bill for 3285 baht. Exactly the same rate.
My experience is that, absent a clerical error, i.e. one place has yet to update their daily rate sheet, and the other has, that the best and the worst banks in Bangkok won't vary by more than around 5 baht (~15 cents) per $100 USD.
I did once stumble across a branch of a bank with a day-old rate sheet posted that didn't comprehend an overnight 0.36% drop in the dollar, so that morning, I changed $500 there. Another branch of the same bank 3 blocks away had the correct (12 baht/$100 USD lower) rate.[/QUOTE]It's not the buying rate I talk about. It's the spread. I manged to buy USD (20 bills) from Superrich at a rate 10 Satang less than their selling rate of 100s. Now go and compare that with any money changer. The rate BKK Bank publishes at 32.85 is for wires not cash.
Never been to Thailand, but I have a question about something I was reading elsewhere:
"Thailand has legal prostitution yet many Thai prostitutes were trafficked from Burma or Cambodia and live squalorous lives like animals--many contract aids, they are not permitted to say no to men who don't want to wear condoms--they suffer even under legalized prostitution."
To what extent is this true, or does this pertain only to certain segments of the market like brothels that cater to Thai men, or is it general.
Please don't reply and say this is not true unless you have fairly detailed knowledge of Thai society that goes beyond the tourist experience.
[QUOTE=Frannie]..."Thailand has legal prostitution...[/QUOTE]Who said that? not only is prostitutin illegal in Thailand, neither does it happen. Read the Thai newspapers, they will proof. Even barfines have nothing to do with Sex and Bars are no brothels!!!! Ask Giotto when in doubt.
[QUOTE=Frannie]Never been to Thailand, but I have a question about something I was reading elsewhere:
"Thailand has legal prostitution yet many Thai prostitutes were trafficked from Burma or Cambodia and live squalorous lives like animals--many contract aids, they are not permitted to say no to men who don't want to wear condoms--they suffer even under legalized prostitution."
To what extent is this true, or does this pertain only to certain segments of the market like brothels that cater to Thai men, or is it general.
Please don't reply and say this is not true unless you have fairly detailed knowledge of Thai society that goes beyond the tourist experience.[/QUOTE]
You repeat a scurrilous accusation from some unnamed news source and then say not to rebut it except from fairly detailed knowledge. I would suggest you should not repeat the accusation unless you have fairly detailed knowledge that it is true.
Nothing I have read supports your assertion, except obvious propaganda from anti-prostitution groups. That being said I don't know.
Horatio
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]Who said that? not only is prostitutin illegal in Thailand, neither does it happen. Read the Thai newspapers, they will proof. Even barfines have nothing to do with Sex and Bars are no brothels!!!! Ask Giotto when in doubt.[/QUOTE]
Yes, technically prostitution has been illegal in Thailand since 1960, but the prohibition is not enforced, and the "Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act of 1996" which outlaws the hiring of prostitutes under the age of 18, seems to tacitly admit that hiring prostitutes over the age of 18 is more kosher. In any case both laws seem to have been enacted because of foreign pressures rather than any internal desire to enforce them. It is widely known that a large proportion of Thailand's tourism industry is sex tourism related, even if Thai authorities prefer not to publicly acknowledge such.
[QUOTE=Horatio]You repeat a scurrilous accusation from some unnamed news source and then say not to rebut it except from fairly detailed knowledge. I would suggest you should not repeat the accusation unless you have fairly detailed knowledge that it is true.
Nothing I have read supports your assertion, except obvious propaganda from anti-prostitution groups. That being said I don't know.
Horatio[/QUOTE]
No it is not an official news source, and I feel that it is almost certainly inaccurate, so I am looking for first hand information that would help to rebut it, or at least help me to understand better where this idea might come from.
For example, I know that the official position in Thailand is that condoms must be used at all times in all brothels, on pain of closure, but has anyone first hand experience of being told that they must use a condom? Or first hand experience of being offered sex without a condom?
[QUOTE=Frannie]Thailand has legal prostitution.[/QUOTE]
Not true. Prostitution was outlawed around 1960. Yet, of course it persists, like it does in the US, Canada and any number of other countries where it is also illegal.
[QUOTE=Frannie]many Thai prostitutes were trafficked from Burma or Cambodia and live squalorous lives like animals--many contract aids, they are not permitted to say no to men who don't want to wear condoms--they suffer even under legalized prostitution. To what extent is this true, or does this pertain only to certain segments of the market like brothels that cater to Thai men, or is it general.[/QUOTE]
Again, this is mostly not true. While there are Burmese and Cambodia prosititutes along the Thai border, mostly in truck-stop brothels, catering to Thai men, and while certainly most would prefer not to be there, few have been trafficked there in the strictest sense (i.e. abducted), but were probably brought in illegally. The "squalorous" situation you describe was quite prevalent 20 years ago in some areas along the border. But, even then it was as not pervasive or widespread as your quote supposes and has improved extensively in recent years. These type of places represented a very small percentage of prostitution in Thailand. If you read this board it becomes obvious that the prostitution business is mostly above-board, and quite sophisticated. The vast majority of mainly Thais women (not Burmese and Cambodia, as you suppose) are in it by choice. While the use of condoms is apparently rather slapdash in the Thai border brothels, I would say that, women are not forced to have unprotected sex, except by the pressures of economics (i.e. they get more money if they go bareback) and by their own ignorance. There has been a huge public education and AIDS awareness program in Thailand over the last 10 years and while still a problem, especially in rural areas, AIDS has been checked and is slowly declining.
[QUOTE=Frannie]Please don't reply and say this is not true unless you have fairly detailed knowledge of Thai society that goes beyond the tourist experience.[/QUOTE]
I've lived here 11 years. A university colleague of mine did a very in-depth research project on every aspect of prostitution in Thailand, from street hookers trolling around Sanam Luang and under Pinklao Bridge in BKK to Farang-oriented GoGos to truck-stop brothels in the north. Besides my personal experience of P4P and what I have heard and read over the years, my knowledge of the business comes from him.
Addendum:
I am curious as to why you are asking these questions? Your posts have the faint undercurrent of some pious, Christian-right do-gooder operating on incredibly spurious information.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Not true. Prostitution was outlawed around 1960. Yet, of course it persists, like it does in the US, Canada and any number of other countries where it is also illegal.
Again, this is mostly not true. [/QUOTE]
Thanks, very helpful.
I really hate to contribute to chatting with what appears to be a female religious, but I do have to comment:
[QUOTE=Frannie]
For example, I know that the official position in Thailand is that condoms must be used at all times in all brothels, on pain of closure, but has anyone first hand experience of being told that they must use a condom? Or first hand experience of being offered sex without a condom?[/QUOTE]
I have had innumerable and quite discouraging experiences of being told that I must use a condom. In some cases I can persaude the provider otherwise, but more often than not, in brothels, I simply lose my pre-payment and have to go home completely unrequited.
As for being 'offered sex without a condom', this is very rare in a brothel. Sometimes if you just go with the flow you luck out and it just happens that way, but usually condomless sex has to be had through begging, pleading, persuasion, and tipping (often quite heavy).
I include these comments more for the general information of fellow mongers than to banter with this religious.
[QUOTE=Hoboken Michael]Do any of you have reports/stories to offer of bringing "furry handcuffs" from your local sex shop while on your vacation to Thailand. I have a pair of furry cuffs that are tempting to bring in Feb. And have used them on a gal who I recently had an affair with in NYC who loved to wear them while being picked up and screwed hard. Cowgirl. Against a mirror. This took place in a NYC short-time hotel. Expensive at $60 per hour when I had visited and she got a real kick the couple of times that we broke the mirror and there may have been consequences.
Luckily, I had signed my name "Mickey Mouse" at the front desk upon registration and could not be tracked once having left the hotel. And when we went back to the hotel, we had different front desk clerks most of the time.
Any stories? Lucky for me, she loved the "M" in "S&M"![/QUOTE]
Michael, Thai ladies love a customer on Prozac with handcuffs in his pocket. See if you can sneak in an inflatable doll.
[QUOTE=Jak]Hi guys,
Thanks for the feedback. Yes, Giotto, your rules are very clear about the discount process. I'll back down on my feelings expressed about the posting situation. I should have taken them more to heart and accepted them in the more strict manner that they are applied.
Anyhow, my post was not to convey that I had a bunch of grievances to air - I had a good experience and would consider staying there in the future or recommending it. Yes, no place is perfect, and I roll with little stuff, so I wouldn't even bother to nit-pick. I would just be leery of any business I'm considering using that has a model that has clients posting for the management before getting a discount.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree with jak, and there is no way I would do what jak was asked to do. Giving a review of an establishment before receiving the dependent discount and with the possibility of the boss turning up so having to have a confrontation in the reception with your bags round you, I don't think so, I doubt people from this board would go to that hotel and not post but if they failed to, a quick PM, failing that a name and shame. Mind you if I had a prob I wouldn't of made it to the end of the week anyway I'd be gone. Meepmeep!
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Not true. Prostitution was outlawed around 1960. Yet, of course it persists, like it does in the US, Canada and any number of other countries where it is also illegal.[/QUOTE]Prostitution is legal in Canada.
"This is a little known fact that most Canadian's don't know."
[url]http://mer[/url] b.ca/vbulletin/archive/index.php/t-534.html
"Prostitution is legal in all of Canada it has been part of the Federal Criminal Code since at least mid 1800s. It is similar to British law and laws in much of Europe."
[url]http://www.sexwork.com/montreal/law.html[/url]
[url]http://www.sexwork.com/coalition/whatcountrieslegal.html[/url]
"As a matter of fact, prostitution is not illegal, and you cannot be charged for 'prostitution.'
"However 'soliciting' is illegal which as such creates a chicken or the egg situation since in order to do acts of prostitution you have to 'solicit' it first. But the actual act of prostitution is as legal as crossing the street on a green light in the sense that you cannot be charged for it." {my comment added in brackets}
[url]http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question13460.html[/url]
If you are going to walk on Sukhumvit, I'd suggest the NEP Nana Hotel side of the street. The pedestrians on either side are all idiots, but on the wrong side, with its constricted space, they resemble the Zombies in The Night of the Living Dead. Then there are the motobike drivers on the sidewalk, but that's another story. Just remember to be on 100% alert at all times in every direction. I have had several near death experiences already when I got distracted looking at bare legs, red heads, and small round bums with tight clothing over them.
Hello folks,
I will be going to BKK and will certainly sample Thai pussy... but has anyone had luck with Arabic and/or Russian babes?
Where do I sample those in BKK? Any tips?
Any idea how good or bad they are in the service they provide?
Thanks,
-R.
[QUOTE=Rbamane]Hello folks,
I will be going to BKK and will certainly sample Thai pussy... but has anyone had luck with Arabic and/or Russian babes?
Where do I sample those in BKK? Any tips?
Any idea how good or bad they are in the service they provide?
Thanks,
-R.[/QUOTE]I think you can forget about Arabic, unless you want to randomly approach any couple on the street and offer the guy a price on his wife, of whom the only body part you may be able to see is her eyeballs. Be prepared, however, for an immediate Jihad vs yourself by a fanatical mob. On the other hand these guys have a rep among the TGs as cheap charlies, so maybe he'd go for it. And since he's likely the boss, that's the only opinion that counts.
As for USSR girls, they are connected with the Russian mafia in LOS, and charge ridiculous prices, but I believe you can find some HIV infected ones around the Grace Hotel. Good luck with that.
If you decide to take one for the team, and live through it, let us know how it goes.
Rbamane and I are probably committing a stoneable offence by asking about non-Thai pussy on this forum, but how about Indian and Iranian(Persian) ladies.
Any venue where those congregate?
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]I think you can forget about Arabic, unless you want to randomly approach any couple on the street and offer the guy a price on his wife, of whom the only body part you may be able to see is her eyeballs. Be prepared, however, for an immediate Jihad vs yourself by a fanatical mob. On the other hand these guys have a rep among the TGs as cheap charlies, so maybe he'd go for it. And since he's likely the boss, that's the only opinion that counts.
As for USSR girls, they are connected with the Russian mafia in LOS, and charge ridiculous prices, but I believe you can find some HIV infected ones around the Grace Hotel. Good luck with that.
If you decide to take one for the team, and live through it, let us know how it goes.[/QUOTE]
You can find Russians (from different former republics) in CM2 for around 5000B, maybe even less, as it gets late, which is still ridiculous - I didn't see any great beauties in there. The ones around Grace Hotel or Bamboo, across the street, do look like they're on the last leg of life's journey. As for arab women, cracking the sidewalks of Bangkok, wouldn't mind sticking my tool in that narrow opening in their long black dress, just for the kink of it, but I don't feel like getting hurt in the Mecca-like stampede.
Rbamane,
You must have Alzheimer's or short term memory loss mate!
You asked that same question a week or so ago.
Not sure who has Alzheimer's... me or you - find me that earlier post where I asked about Arabic ladies - bet you cannot find it in this lifetime!
Guess, you should pay some more attention while RTFFing the thread... :)
Good luck!
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Rbamane,
You must have Alzheimer's or short term memory loss mate!
You asked that same question a week or so ago.[/QUOTE]
I presumed that BKK is cosmopolitan enough to have pussies from different corners of the world... but from the responses it doesn't look like...
I guess Macau is the place to be for international pussies... BKK doesn't shine there... so to all those who were hurt by my query about non-Thai pussies - I beg your pardon(s) and will enjoy Thai and only Thai pussies while in BKK.
I rest my case in peace here.
-R.
[QUOTE=Rbamane]I presumed that BKK is cosmopolitan enough to have pussies from different corners of the world... but from the responses it doesn't look like...
I guess Macau is the place to be for international pussies... BKK doesn't shine there... so to all those who were hurt by my query about non-Thai pussies - I beg your pardon(s) and will enjoy Thai and only Thai pussies while in BKK.
I rest my case in peace here.
-R.[/QUOTE]The only case you can rest here is the fact that you can't use the Search function. BKK has Plenty of Non-Thai Pussies available: Russian, Uzbeks, Nigerian, Indian and more.
I could tell you where to find them, but I just dont want to.
[QUOTE=Rbamane]I presumed that BKK is cosmopolitan enough to have pussies from different corners of the world... but from the responses it doesn't look like...
-R.[/QUOTE]
It's not that there are no choices from other countries and cultures. It's just that they are nowhere near as good as the Thais - in terms of attitude relative to what you'll need to pay.
Hello bro,
I presume you are passing on a suggestion to me in an unusual manner - but I already tried using the Search function (having been a designer of Search functions myself, I try that the first everywhere) - but could not find anything worthwhile on those non-Thai pussies, ex. for some mentions to Grace hotel.
Nothing personal against you mate, just want to find out what my options are... and hence diggin'
Chill!
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]The only case you can rest here is the fact that you can't use the Search function. BKK has Plenty of Non-Thai Pussies available: Russian, Uzbeks, Nigerian, Indian and more.
I could tell you where to find them, but I just dont want to.[/QUOTE]
Has anyone ever gotten a hot tea treatment in BKK? (The lady fills her mouth with hot tea while giving a BJ)
Please do not ask me to RTFF because there is no info about it in the thread - and hence posing the question here.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]The only case you can rest here is the fact that you can't use the Search function. BKK has Plenty of Non-Thai Pussies available: Russian, Uzbeks, Nigerian, Indian and more.
I could tell you where to find them, but I just dont want to.[/QUOTE]
Nic - this guy is a total loser. Just put him on your ignore list.
Can anyone recommend which places have the best sex shows in BKK. Strange as it may sound I have never been to one. A friend of mine coming to BKK for the first time asked me and I had no answer. Many thanks.
Duni
[QUOTE=Rbamane]I presumed that BKK is cosmopolitan enough to have pussies from different corners of the world... but from the responses it doesn't look like...
I guess Macau is the place to be for international pussies... BKK doesn't shine there... so to all those who were hurt by my query about non-Thai pussies - I beg your pardon(s) and will enjoy Thai and only Thai pussies while in BKK.
I rest my case in peace here.
-R.[/QUOTE]Hi,
In and around the Grace Hotel in Sukh. soi 3 you can find Russian, Uzbeki and Thai ladies. I don't know about Arab ladies but I have seen some girls in the Grace who seem very Arab to me. I haven't seen any Indian ladies.
There are some real stunners out there. Just have a look there yourself.
(b.t.w.: Singapore is also a good place for international p.ss.)
[QUOTE=Duniawala]Can anyone recommend which places have the best sex shows in BKK. ...
[/QUOTE]Sir,
Nana: Angel Witch.
Cowboy: Long Gun, Suzy Wong
Patpong: Socalled Ping-Pong shows, in various places, ripp-off.
[b](THIS IS A JOKE):[/b] Soi 33, Livingstones: Room No. xxx (the Vice President stays there :) ).
Giotto
[QUOTE=Rbamane]...
Please do not ask me to RTFF because there is no info about it in the thread - and hence posing the question here.[/QUOTE]Rbamane,
Besides asking questions - 69 reports - just give us a short overview about your [b]CONTRIBUTIONS[/b] to the forum.
Please.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Giotto]Sir,
Nana: Angel Witch.
Cowboy: Long Gun, Suzy Wong
Patpong: Socalled Ping-Pong shows, in various places, ripp-off.
[b](THIS IS A JOKE:)[/b] Soi 33, Livingstones: Room No. xxx (the Vice President stays there :) ).
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Sir Duni:
Since you've never visited, I suggest we change our meeting place from Sports Bar to Long Gun or Suzy Won :)
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Sir Duni:
Since you've never visited, I suggest we change our meeting place from Sports Bar to Long Gun or Suzy Won :)[/QUOTE]Mr. Marketing Director,
Besides the fact that this is not the right forum for this discussion - is it your understanding about MARKETING and creating PROFITS for the Lodge :) to arrange meetings at other places :) ?
BESTARD!!!
Giotto
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Sir Duni:
Since you've never visited, I suggest we change our meeting place from Sports Bar to Long Gun or Suzy Won :)[/QUOTE]
Sounds good to me. But let's see the shows in the Lodge first. The VP's room, is it? :) Dr. G is buying the first round I heard.
Recently i read that USA considered that Tailand was no longer in their blacklist of piracy.
They considered street selling was no longer a problem.
Does this mean, than in Sukhumvit and near Patpong, street vendors of DVD's disappeared ?
Thanks in advance
Monte Cristo
[QUOTE=Montecristo]Recently i read that USA considered that Tailand was no longer in their blacklist of piracy.
They considered street selling was no longer a problem.
Does this mean, than in Sukhumvit and near Patpong, street vendors of DVD's disappeared ?
Thanks in advance
Monte Cristo[/QUOTE]
No, and the DVDs you can't find on the streets can most likely be found in Pantip Plaza.
[QUOTE=Montecristo]Recently i read that USA considered that Tailand was no longer in their blacklist of piracy.
They considered street selling was no longer a problem.
Does this mean, than in Sukhumvit and near Patpong, street vendors of DVD's disappeared ?
Thanks in advance
Monte Cristo[/QUOTE]
You mean that the DVD's I have been buying at Pantip aren't legitimate? Why those lying bastards....
My friend,
People luv calling others as losers and question them for contributions - look for my reports in Mumbai (Bombay) and Singapore threads if you want to check my contributions - and yeah - this aint a classroom for me to prove something or get grades... I have as much right to ask questions here as you do to read the posts... !
Since this is my first time in BKK - all I am doing is asking questions to make the most of my time there, which I feel is very appropriate to do.
All you seniors and knowledgeable folks out there are living under the assumption that everyone is as experienced as you - but thats not the case! If someone is being as specific as possible and asking something that is not popularly discussed in the thread - it doesn't mean you call him a loser! You may not be interested in the same thing - but respect others' interests.
Guido - do you think you will gimme a room at LL?
Thanks,
-R.
[QUOTE=Giotto]Rbamane,
Besides asking questions - 69 reports - just give us a short overview about your [b]CONTRIBUTIONS[/b] to the forum.
Please.
Giotto[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rbamane] ... Guido - do you think you will gimme a room at LL?
Thanks, -R.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure he will, and while you are at it, be sure to ask him about the special discount for which essentially all you have to do is stay a small number of days and then make a CONTRIBUTION to this forum. :)
[QUOTE=Rbamane]My friend,
People luv calling others as losers and question them for contributions - look for my reports in Mumbai (Bombay) and Singapore threads if you want to check my contributions - and yeah - this aint a classroom for me to prove something or get grades... I have as much right to ask questions here as you do to read the posts... !
Since this is my first time in BKK - all I am doing is asking questions to make the most of my time there, which I feel is very appropriate to do.
All you seniors and knowledgeable folks out there are living under the assumption that everyone is as experienced as you - but thats not the case! If someone is being as specific as possible and asking something that is not popularly discussed in the thread - it doesn't mean you call him a loser! You may not be interested in the same thing - but respect others' interests.
<cut>
Thanks,
-R.[/QUOTE]
Rbamane,
Not sure why this happens so often, and the BKK thread is not alone. Why Veteran members feel the need to ridicule or harass innocent questions, seems to be rude and arrogant to me. The type of bullying most of us have out grown after grade school (or highschool for some).
I think they forgot how it was when they first started, or have not been to any new mongering destinations lately and have not had the same flaming treatment lately on other threads, or maybe they just forget that newbies are new customers of Jackson's site and they just want to hurt his business. Duh! Just my thoughts. I believe if they remember that you are in Jackson's house as his guest, then maybe the treatment will improve a bit.
Just to let you know, this question has been raised before and has always been met with the same response. There have been a few answers that might help you and the other poster. Click on the search and enter "Russian" as the key word. Getting too specific will not get you the desired results. Be sure to select "Thailand" in the "Search in Forum(s)" box. Finally, be sure to check the "Reports" option in the "Show Results as" option in the lower left hand corner of the screen.
You should end up with about 100 prior postings, including the most recent flamming postings. There were some good answers previously, that might help you. Sorry I can't answer your question directly, since CM2 is the only place I can think of off hand. I don't look for non-Thai's in Thailand, but I can understand why others might. Good luck with your search.
AT2
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Rbamane,
Not sure why this happens so often, and the BKK thread is not alone. Why Veteran members feel the need to ridicule or harass innocent questions, seems to be rude and arrogant to me. The type of bullying most of us have out grown after grade school (or highschool for some).
Just to let you know, this question has been raised before and has always been met with the same respoGood luck with your search.
AT2[/QUOTE]
When he asked his first question, we answered, when he asked his 2nd, 3rd, we also answered. When he starting asking his 10th question without reading the fucking forum, I put him on my ignore list. When he asked his 15th question, I did a quick read of his other posts, and then called him a loser.
Nicfrenchy is a nice guy and never flames anyone - even he lost patience and asked if the guy had alzhemier's?
Even Giotto got on the band wagon, he's certainly not a bully but rather a pimp :D
He is a loser - maybe I'm an asshole or boring or arrogant or even worse, but I certainly am not a bully ;)
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]When he asked his first question, we answered, when he asked his 2nd, 3rd, we also answered. When he starting asking his 15th question without reading the fucking forum, I put him on my ignore list. When he asked his 20th question, I did a quick read of his other posts, and then called him a loser.
He is a loser - maybe I'm an asshole or boring or arrogant or even worse, but I certainly am not a bully ;)[/QUOTE]
Errr.....so you did a quick read of his other posts while you had him on ignore?
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]When he asked his first question, we answered, when he asked his 2nd, 3rd, we also answered. When he starting asking his 10th question without reading the fucking forum, I put him on my ignore list. When he asked his 15th question, I did a quick read of his other posts, and then called him a loser.
Nicfrenchy is a nice guy and never flames anyone - even he lost patience and asked if the guy had alzhemier's?
Even Giotto got on the band wagon, he's certainly not a bully but rather a pimp :D
He is a loser - maybe I'm an asshole or boring or arrogant or even worse, but I certainly am not a bully ;)[/QUOTE]
Traveler1234,
I agree, he's asked a lot of questions. Some, very naive, like Condoms. He could be 20 years old and green. I don't recall him asking the same question twice. Just 20 or so different questions. Yeah, it might be a bit annoying, like a puppy dog trailing your every move. I still think it's his right to ask and for us to answer or ignore.
I do think he needs to better understand the search funtion. It works fine, if you just don't get too specific. Lack of effort on his part? Yeah, probably. But loser? Just green to me. Many years ago, I had a friend in the same situation. Adventuresome guy, surfs, great with the woman, but when it came time for international travel, he balked. He asked a 100 questions and it took months to convince him. Once he got over the initial fear of the unknown, he's been out traveling me to Bangkok and the Phillipines. LOL!
Rbamane,
Things have not changed much over the past 2 years. Find any post that's no more than 2 years old and you can use it as a guide. See the other Bangkok threads. A lot of your answers are also in the Bangkok reports, Massage Parlor Reports and the Hotel Reports. Do a google search of Bangkok Models, Bangkok Massage, Bangkok Bar Girls and there are more than enough pics to give you an idea of what's in store for you. Do NOT use the Bangkok Photo Gallery in the Bangkok thread as a guide. There are too many posters throwing up pics just to scare people, I think.
Re-phrasing your questions might show you did some work. For example, I understand that the ST rates are about 1,000 to 2,000 baht. Is this still true? Just a starting point. Type in ST/LT or ST or ST rate and do a search. Lot's of info there. Reading the thread (at least 30 to 40 pages in each of the 3 main threads) will be worth your time. You will get your answers and alot of info you did not even think about.
Do you know about the Sky Train and the Subway? Do you know the key stops? Do you know where to exchange your money? Do you know the best way to get from the airport? Do you know about the traffic grid lock that BKK is famous for? Do you know where the best places to eat? etc., etc., etc. It does sound like you have traveled internationally, so it won't be very different if you have.
One last thought. Read the reports of distinction thread. Some fluff, but lot's of good stuff too.
Peace,
AT2
[QUOTE=Rbamane]...
... question them for contributions ...
All you seniors and knowledgeable folks out there are living under the assumption that everyone is as experienced as you - but thats not the case!
...
Guido - do you think you will gimme a room at LL?
[/QUOTE]Rbamane,
With all due respect, I was quite serious with my question.
It is possible to take the time to read the forums, and to use the search function. Many questions are then answered. And it is also not good for the quality of a forum if the same questions are repeated again and again, and the same responds added - makes the forum boring on the longer term.
Guido, who is Guido? Anyway, of course you can get a room at LL, and we will also answer your questions when you are here...don't worry :) . Here we can do that for each single customer without getting others bored.
Peace!
Giotto
[QUOTE=Rbamane]Has anyone ever gotten a hot tea treatment in BKK? (The lady fills her mouth with hot tea while giving a BJ)
...
[/QUOTE]AsiaTraveler2,
Point taken, trying to finish grade school :) ...
Hot tea / iced water treatment: Not easy to get that here in Bangkok. I knew one provider (met by chance) who was specialized in this kind of service, but she retired (with a Singaporean boyfriend).
What I would do is to talk to the papa/mamasans of Darling, Annies, Tulip or even Eden, and I am quite sure they know a few girls in their establishment who provide that service.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Giotto]Rbamane,
With all due respect, I was quite serious with my question.
It is possible to take the time to read the forums, and to use the search function. Many questions are then answered. And it is also not good for the quality of a forum if the same questions are repeated again and again, and the same responds added - makes the forum boring on the longer term.
Guido, who is Guido? Anyway, of course you can get a room at LL, and we will also answer your questions when you are here...don't worry :) . Here we can do that for each single customer without getting others bored.
Peace!
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Rbamane,
I would highly suggest that you do stay at Livingstones. Great for everyone, but especially for a newbie. Girl friendly, Girls on site!, Soi 33 bars and massage places, close to the BTS and easy to get to Soi Cowboy or Nana Plaza from there. Good bar and food on premises, nice rooms, etc. Link provided below. There are also many experts on premises (management and customers) that may steer you in the right direction. Akane Massage is also on that Soi (street).
Also go to Asoke Station to catch the MRT Subway to Hwai Kuang Station and try out one of the Soapy Massage places (Nataree, Casaers, Emmanuelle) or taxi from that station to Utopia. The stop after Hwai Kuang is Suthisan and has the well know Poseidon complex near by.
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th/[/url]
Take the suggestions to heart. While it is a forum to exchange ideas and knowledge, you also need to be sure that you are not expecting others to do all of the work for you.
Have fun,
AT2
[QUOTE=Giotto] And it is also not good for the quality of a forum if the same questions are repeated again and again, and the same responds added - makes the forum boring on the longer term.[/QUOTE]Maybe something to consider: a Thread called NEWBIES QUESTIONS? that way, we would go in there ready to answer the same questions and not clog the regular Bkk Threads?
Thanks AsiaTraveler2, Giotto and others for understanding my PoV and the explanation on Search feature... looks like I was missing something there - was being more specific than what works!
I do wish to say that I have not asked 15 questions about BKK on this forum, whoever feels that way isn't perhaps doing a good "quick read" of my posts.
AT2, I do travel internationally but not very frequent - just about a couple times a year... and since BKK is the first time, I sure don't know about things that you have listed - like the train stops, places to eat, money exchange places, etc. I am reading through the pages these days from other BKK threads also to get a good idea of those things - it comforts to know that things haven't changed much in 2 years... from the place I come - it changes every 2 days - hence my suspicion on the validity of the posts (which I mention about in my first question-post).
Just as an aside, I have always gotten the best exchange rate while using my ATM card at the ATM machines rather than those manned booths - they give their "selling rate" for the local currency which is worse than the bank-to-bank rate for the local currency that you get when using the ATM. You can try this in any country where you land - I have tried it with UK Pound, Singapore $, Canadian $, New Taiwan $, etc.
Giotto - I will make the booking for my room very soon, stay tuned to hear back from me.
Meanwhile, PEACE with everyone around - I should get busy with my RTFFing.
Thanks buddys!
-Rocky.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Maybe something to consider: a Thread called NEWBIES QUESTIONS? that way, we would go in there ready to answer the same questions and not clog the regular Bkk Threads?[/QUOTE]NicFrenchy,
I created a thread for that some months ago, after we had another RTFF escalation in the Thailand forum. In that thread I answer questions from Bangkok rookies even if they were answered here in the forum before.
Thread: Rookies questions about Bangkok
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2615[/URL]
Giotto
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]
Do you know about the Sky Train and the Subway? Do you know the key stops? Do you know where to exchange your money? Do you know the best way to get from the airport? Do you know about the traffic grid lock that BKK is famous for? Do you know where the best places to eat? etc., etc., etc. It does sound like you have traveled internationally, so it won't be very different if you have.
One last thought. Read the reports of distinction thread. Some fluff, but lot's of good stuff too.
Peace,
AT2[/QUOTE]
I had the chance to discuss with Jackson, over a couple of dinners, issues like that about the forum.
I do believe that every city should have some kind of "check list" as I call it. Meaning specific info from the time you touch ground to the time you are leaving that city. E.g. how to get to/from the city, where to stay, where to eat and mostly where to party and monger. Places, prices what to avoid etc
In order to get an idea pls read a little "Bubba boy's" guide to Rio de Janeiro.
Mick Licker did an excellent work recently but I am afraid it will be soon lost in between the other reports.
Jackson was thinking of hiring someone to do that but I think he will eventually need the help of the experts of every city.
Meanwhile we can all contribute by answering some questions.
I am planning my next trip to SE Asia visiting new places that I have never been before and I can understand how all newbies are feeling about going to a place for the first time. eg "Dickhead" is a veteran poster in south america having about 2.000 posts but was going to Thailand for his first time and was asking if he can pass his sleeping pills through customs. If you visit Thailand once you know that this is not an issue but if it is your first time you simply don't.
Thanks
El Greco
[QUOTE=El Greco]I had the chance to discuss with Jackson, over a couple of dinners, issues like that about the forum.
I do believe that every city should have some kind of "check list" as I call it. Meaning specific info from the time you touch ground to the time you are leaving that city. E.g. how to get to/from the city, where to stay, where to eat and mostly where to party and monger. Places, prices what to avoid etc
In order to get an idea pls read a little "Bubba boy's" guide to Rio de Janeiro.
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Thanks
El Greco[/QUOTE]
El Greco,
Well put. We do need a "Bubba Boy's" guide for each city, but at the very least, one for Bangkok (due to volume). A just the facts thread might also work in the interim. Rates, places and very brief descriptions. No questions, comments or backslapping allowed type of thread. Possibly a sticky note concept? With "Bubba Boy's" guide, I did not even need to ask any questions, so I am very familiar with it.
So often, the simple questions appear dumb upon first glance, but in fact have a very good basis. Even a BKK vet like Duni had a newbie question, but he was answered appropriately due to his "fame" and contributions on the thread.
Thanks for the feedback.
AT2
[QUOTE=Rbamane]<cut>
Just as an aside, I have always gotten the best exchange rate while using my ATM card at the ATM machines rather than those manned booths - they give their "selling rate" for the local currency which is worse than the bank-to-bank rate for the local currency that you get when using the ATM. You can try this in any country where you land - I have tried it with UK Pound, Singapore $, Canadian $, New Taiwan $, etc.
[/QUOTE]
Rbamane,
You are correct. Use an ATM card or use one of the Banks. You may need to get some currency at the airport, for the taxi and basic pre-check in stuff.
Good luck!
AT2
Rbamane
There is one. It is a little off the regular venue. Walk down Soi 13 for about 800 meters, past the small convenience store. You will come to a small soi on your right. There is a laundry shop on that corner. Go 200 meters and you will see the sign HT Massage.
I found it by accident, and it caters to local Thais. Not sure if it caters to farangs, though. Good Luck.
Thanks Duniawala, appreciate that info - will check it out.
BTW, do you know what your nick means in Hindi? Are you Indian?
[QUOTE=Duniawala]Rbamane
There is one. It is a little off the regular venue. Walk down Soi 13 for about 800 meters, past the small convenience store. You will come to a small soi on your right. There is a laundry shop on that corner. Go 200 meters and you will see the sign HT Massage.
I found it by accident, and it caters to local Thais. Not sure if it caters to farangs, though. Good Luck.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Maybe something to consider: a Thread called NEWBIES QUESTIONS? that way, we would go in there ready to answer the same questions and not clog the regular Bkk Threads?[/QUOTE]
Nic:
There is a already Rookies thread on Giotto's forum for exactly that....[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2615[/url]
Rhabame needs to exert a little effort. The LOS forum is the most written on ISG, has the most bullshit (eg information), and yes sometimes take a little bit of time to read.
I mean - like when you're in a bar, is your wingman suppose to negotiate for you or shouldn't you do a little heavy lifting yourself. From reading the replies by others, Rbamane hasn't even taken the fucking time or effort to navigate over to Giotto's thread.
AT2 -
He can't be both a newbie and at the same time, claim he's contributed on other country forums, right? Which one is he - maybe just a lazy loser :D
IMHO :)
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]
AT2 -
He can't be both a newbie and at the same time, claim he's contributed on other country forums, right? Which one is he - maybe just a lazy loser :D
IMHO :)[/QUOTE]
Traveler,
I will give him the benefit of the doubt. He can be a veteran in his country and a complete newbie in another country. I know if I went to Russia to monger, I would ask a hell of a lot of questions. Duni's a BKK veteran and he had a newbie question and he could have done a search. Sex shows have been discussed before. We all have our "lazy" moments and sometime's it's not knowing where to start.
Hopefully, he gives back to others down the line. Then it will be worth while. Pay it forward kind of deal. I do a lot of work on the computer anyway, so it does not take very much time to answer what I can.
Peace,
AT2
[QUOTE=Duniawala]Can anyone recommend which places have the best sex shows in BKK. Strange as it may sound I have never been to one. A friend of mine coming to BKK for the first time asked me and I had no answer. Many thanks.
Duni[/QUOTE]
Duni, Duni,
You were very lucky that you weren't told to RTFF. A very experienced member as well!
You could have merely pulled down the Search this Thread box and entered:
sex+shows
or
erotic+shows
An intellgent man can come up with something to search on ;) unless too lazy?
[QUOTE=Traveler1234], I put him on my ignore list. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Traveler1234] really sorry to advise that you're one of the 'lucky' few on my 'ignore list'. No need to reply as I won't be able to see your posts anymore.
Cheers ;)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]And Cheap Meat gets another award for the most idiotic posts in 2007 - grand total of 30+ ramblings.
Another for the ignore list ;)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Define recently...mine is 'being lazy'
Define participation....mine is 'ignore list'([/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]TT - welcome back and happy new year. Missed your insightful posts.
For non-moderators, we all have the freedom to turn others off with the ignore button - I've chosen to stay away from this by simply putting Pete on that list. Maybe you should put Giotto on your ignore list :)[/QUOTE]
Traveller, Rbamane, Petemcc, Cheap Meat and others are all on your ignore list. I suppose I will be next after this post but you need to give this ignore list stuff a rest. Soon the entire board will be on that ignore list and you won't be able to attack anyone. Still don't know why any one feels compelled to answer questions or posts they don't like, simply IGNORE the posts. I know I should have ignored your repeated ignores too but you did open the door. :cool:
[QUOTE=Run Mann]Traveller, Rbamane, Petemcc, Cheap Meat and others are all on your ignore list. I suppose I will be next after this post but you need to give this ignore list stuff a rest. Soon the entire board will be on that ignore list and you won't be able to attack anyone. Still don't know why any one feels compelled to answer questions or posts they don't like, simply IGNORE the posts. I know I should have ignored your repeated ignores too but you did open the door. :cool:[/QUOTE]
I'm honored you actually went through my recent BS posts. Your point well taken and will take your suggestion (both of them). Sorry if you thought it was an 'attack'....:cool:
[QUOTE=Run Mann]Traveller, Rbamane, Petemcc, Cheap Meat and others are all on your ignore list. I suppose I will be next after this post but you need to give this ignore list stuff a rest. Soon the entire board will be on that ignore list and you won't be able to attack anyone. Still don't know why any one feels compelled to answer questions or posts they don't like, simply IGNORE the posts. I know I should have ignored your repeated ignores too but you did open the door. :cool:[/QUOTE]
Don't be silly man! T1234 is promoting a very useful function of the list that people should make a lot more use of.
I have used it when someone tries to take over a thread with a lot of attacking behaviour or irritating behaviour, or just plain crap. If everyone ignored the idiots, it woul spoil their fun, as no-one would answer them.
But go ahead and put him on your ignore list, if you are so easily irritated already.
The purpose of the forum is not for attacking people. Some of us want to exchange useful information.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]I'm honored you actually went through my recent BS posts. Your point well taken and will take your suggestion (both of them). Sorry if you thought it was an 'attack'....:cool:[/QUOTE]
It was a coltish post but am honored that you took my suggestions, both of them :)
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Don't be silly man! T1234 is promoting a very useful function of the list that people should make a lot more use of.
I have used it when someone tries to take over a thread with a lot of attacking behaviour or irritating behaviour, or just plain crap. If everyone ignored the idiots, it woul spoil their fun, as no-one would answer them.
But go ahead and put him on your ignore list, if you are so easily irritated already.
The purpose of the forum is not for attacking people. Some of us want to exchange useful information.[/QUOTE]
Speaking of "silly man", you need to re-read my post as it totally escaped you given your response here, even 1234 (see below) got the point that went completely over your head.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]I'm honored you actually went through my recent BS posts. Your point well taken and will take your suggestion (both of them). Sorry if you thought it was an 'attack'....:cool:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Don't be silly man! T1234 is promoting a very useful function of the list that people should make a lot more use of.
The purpose of the forum is not for attacking people. Some of us want to exchange useful information.[/QUOTE]
I know, I know, I should just drop this. But it irritates me when someone accuses me of attacking someone without getting his facts straights.
Just for the record, here are my replies to that loser earlier this month:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=692114&postcount=1670[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=691654&postcount=1663[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=691468&postcount=1656[/url]
As you can see, they were informative, although brief, with the last suggesting he spend some time reading everyone's posts/contributions.
This doesn't include replies from others (including Thor, Member 2041, et al) who tried to help this guy out , nor did I bother to count how many follow-up questions he posted, sometimes asking the same fucking thing (in a different way).
Apologies to everyone for wasting their time with this.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Nic:
There is a already Rookies thread on Giotto's forum for exactly that....[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2615[/url][/QUOTE]I knew that, but let's not kid ourselves, you honestly think that a bloke who can't type "russian" in the search function will figure out how to go to Giotto's Forum? and even see the Rookie Thread?
Unless it's in the Thailand Forum, few newbies will see it I think.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]I know, I know, I should just drop this. But it irritates me when someone accuses me of attacking someone without getting his facts straights.
Just for the record, here are my replies to that loser earlier this month:
[/QUOTE]
While I appreciate responses to my questions, I still have the right to ask more questions on this public forum. You have the right to IGNORE them if you don't like it. This forum ain't owned by one single person...!
For records, this escalation started with me asking for Arabic ladies and Hot Tea BJ - both of which are infrequently discussed on this thread.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]
As you can see, they were informative, although brief, with the last suggesting he spend some time reading everyone's posts/contributions.
This doesn't include replies from others (including Thor, Member 2041, et al) who tried to help this guy out , nor did I bother to count how many follow-up questions he posted, sometimes asking the same fucking thing (in a different way).[/QUOTE]
Looks like someone has stopped thinking in life - he never has followup questions to anything (and doesn't want others to have either) - how can one be that way man!
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Apologies to everyone for wasting their time with this.[/QUOTE]
I don't think I am wasting people's time. This may be entertaining to some while it may be "IGNORE" material for some, this is e-life for me!
Enough of calling me a loser, I am not yet calling anyone a whiner!
PS: AT2 has tried to convey the point across a few times - but still someone seems to not have gotten it - you could be the King Monger in Mongolia but a noob in Egypt!
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Duni, Duni,
You were very lucky that you weren't told to RTFF. A very experienced member as well!
You could have merely pulled down the Search this Thread box and entered:
sex+shows
or
erotic+shows
An intellgent man can come up with something to search on ;) unless too lazy?[/QUOTE]
Mick, I know there are sex shows all around. My question was "which was the best one". The vets of the sex shows can hopefully point out the right one.
Believe me, I do RTFF as I did on my recent trip to CR. That reminds me. I need to make a FR on that one.
[QUOTE=Rbamane]Thanks Duniawala, appreciate that info - will check it out.
BTW, do you know what your nick means in Hindi? Are you Indian?[/QUOTE]
Just on the spur of the moment I asked an acquaintance of mine in BKK to check if the MP was still there. Sorry to disappoint you, but the place looks closed.
Yes to both of your questions.
[QUOTE=Duniawala]Can anyone recommend which places have the best sex shows in BKK. Strange as it may sound I have never been to one. A friend of mine coming to BKK for the first time asked me and I had no answer. Many thanks.
Duni[/QUOTE]
LongGun has a good show just watch your eyes when they fire the darts.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234] But it irritates me when someone accuses me of attacking someone without getting his facts straights.
[/QUOTE]
Repeteadety calling him a loser is an attact.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234] I did a quick read of his other posts, and then called him a loser.
He is a loser - maybe I'm an asshole or boring or arrogant or even worse[/QUOTE]
It may be complementary in your mind to call someone a loser but clearly this is an un-provoked attacked. You did not have to answer his any of his questions
Freud will have to return from his grave and explain the phenomena that triggers grown men to lose their senses/temper (like below) because someone asked a question (they did not have to answer) they don’t like.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Iurl]
sometimes asking the same fucking thing (in a different way).
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[QUOTE=Duniawala]Mick, I know there are sex shows all around. My question was "which was the best one". The vets of the sex shows can hopefully point out the right one.
Believe me, I do RTFF as I did on my recent trip to CR. That reminds me. I need to make a FR on that one.[/QUOTE]
So go to BKK thread and search for:
best+shows
Its all been covered before.
My favourite is Suzie Wong. Its [red]hot, [b]hot, [size=+1]HOT[/size][/b][/red]
but never boring.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]So go to BKK thread and search for:
best+shows
Its all been covered before.
My favourite is Suzie Wong. Its [red]hot, [b]hot, [size=+1]HOT[/size][/b][/red]
but never boring.[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree 100% with Mick, Suzie Wong's Lesbian Show (4 girls) is excellent.
If you want milder shows, I suggest Angelwitch in NEP.
The ones I do not like are the Lon Gun or Rawhide Pussy Darts or Pussy Smoking Shows, it grosses me out.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]So go to BKK thread and search for:
best+shows
Its all been covered before.
My favourite is Suzie Wong. Its [red]hot, [b]hot, [size=+1]HOT[/size][/b][/red]
but never boring.[/QUOTE]Agree. Was at Suzie Wong last week. Superb lesbian show with 5 girls. Took one in show with me for 1,500 baht. Excellent service. Barfine was 500 or 600, can't remember.
Although it isn't official yet, there are indications that they will shortly be tightening tourist visa rules.
Tourist visas will only be issued to those who have ongoing international tickets (outside the region) - meaning that if you have an ongoing ticket to, say Cambodia, this isn't good enough.
Basically, it is becoming more evident that they don't want outsiders here for any length of time unless they are working legally, or over 50 and can meet the retirement criteria.
You could always buy an onward ticket but not take that flight... am I missing something? Probably...
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Although it isn't official yet, there are indications that they will shortly be tightening tourist visa rules.
Tourist visas will only be issued to those who have ongoing international tickets (outside the region) - meaning that if you have an ongoing ticket to, say Cambodia, this isn't good enough.
Basically, it is becoming more evident that they don't want outsiders here for any length of time unless they are working legally, or over 50 and can meet the retirement criteria.[/QUOTE]
I can retire there if I am over 50?????? I have to go earn more money now!
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Although it isn't official yet, there are indications that they will shortly be tightening tourist visa rules.
Tourist visas will only be issued to those who have ongoing international tickets (outside the region) - meaning that if you have an ongoing ticket to, say Cambodia, this isn't good enough.
Basically, it is becoming more evident that they don't want outsiders here for any length of time unless they are working legally, or over 50 and can meet the retirement criteria.[/QUOTE]
All about tourist visas so far. Watch out for any future changes.
I don't think there will be any for European Union citizens though.
[url]http://www.thaiembdc.org/consular/visa/visa.htm#Visa%20type%20&%20purpose[/url]
[url]http://www.mfa.go.th/web/2482.php?id=2489[/url]
El Greco
Got into BKK after a 40+ hour ordeal from Buenos Aires. I did spend an entire day resting in LA, the best $94 I ever spent (maybe). I ended up with a lot more luggage so just wandering around like I said I would do was not an option and I got a hotel near the airport for 2000 baht (negotiated down from 3000 when I said I would just put my bags in "left luggage" and go into town) including the ride (they also claimed they would take me back in the morning but I did not wait to find out if this were true). Brand-new hotel. I was the first person to stay in that room. Took a sleeping pill at 0200 and woke up at 0830 and headed to the "transportation centre," arriving at 0930, just in time to wait an hour and a half for the Pattaya bus. The bus was 5 minutes late leaving which was convenient since beer sales start at 1100. 109 baht, nice bus, not crowded, mostly Europeans. Then another 20 baht for the tuk tuk to Soi 13 but they let me off at Soi 13-1 instead which confused me, and I had to ask about 30 pot bellied Germans where the Whitehouse Condotel was before I found one who knew.
Rested a bit, hooked up with my two friends, and headed to Walking Street. What a zoo. I described it as equal parts Disneyland, Las Vegas, and Gomorrah. We proceeded to a number of "go gos" and it was quickly evident that I am way too old for that kind of scene. Too fucking loud. Total sensory overload. Finally at about the fifth go go we ran into a problem when my friend wanted water, they told him he couldn't drink water and had to order booze, we wanted to leave, and they wanted us to pay for the drinks the other guy and I had ordered even though we had not received them. While attempting to negociate this, 15 Thai dudes appeared out of the woodwork, we paid, and I left disgusted. My friends continued but did not achieve their goals
The next day we went on a soapy tour of Soi 2. Started at the one on the far side from the beach. My friend took one for the team to find out the routine. 1700 baht for massage, smoke, and boom boom. He came out happy. We went across the street (caddy corner) and the problem became evident: the sewers. Most disgusting smell of my life, bar none, and I had to run or vomit. Finally we made it inside. This place was more comfortable and was starting to fill up (we got to the first place very early, like 1430). This time I went. Again 1700 for whatever. My back was messed up and I did not want some gal contorting herself on me so I reversed the courses: smoke then boom boom and then my back was more relaxed and I got a nice massage. I don't give a fuck about massages but it was a different experience. Nice gal, liked to kiss, name of (shit I forget but it was a Chinese name although she was not Chinese), number 101 on your scorecard.
Went to the place to the right (towards Soi 1), where our other friend partook and enjoyed. This place was bigger and had a lot of gals, maybe 40 by this point (4 or 5 PM). That night we returned to Walking Street where we especially liked Living Dolls, which had strong AC and some nice bathtub action. Worked our way deeper and deeper into Walking Street as it got later and later and things got weirder and weirder. Finally we were in some place fairly close to the end of the street, off to the left, and upstairs, and I saw the grossest thing I have seen in my entire mongering career, bar none.
This was another bathtub place but then they started a lesbian show and they had this huge dildo with a little tickler thing on the front, looked like a bong. It has a technical name that I forget. Anyway the gals are fooling around and one is getting ready to put the dildo in when a guy walks up and starts trying to put the dildo in the other gal (the one on top). All of a sudden this dude just buries his face in this hooker's ass hole and starts eating out her ass hole. That was pretty bad but then he jams his finger up her ass, spins it around, pulls it out, shoves it in his mouth and starts sucking on it, then pulls it out with a big smacking noise.
So that grossed us out the door. I don't know if this guy even knew her or what. At that point I knew for sure I was not in Kansas any more. We had been getting quotes of 2000 all night and plus we were satiated from the soapies. My friends are not into negociating and I knew I would never pay 2000 so we went home, pretty darn drunk. I did not bother negociating since I had no need for services but we sure did not see very many women leaving with clients, anywhere we went.
More to follow but I do recommend the hotel for I believe it was 1450 baht per night.
What was the name of the go go where the would not serve you any water?
Thats notvery good .
I don't remember but it is very near where the three Estonian guys got beat up a few days later (I think one of them died), maybe even the same place. As you are walking from Beach Road to Walking Street it is one of the first lefts on Walking Street, and then it is one of the first places on the left.
The gal from the soapy was Ming, and maybe her number was 110 and not 101. Then the next day we went back to the third and largest soapy. Whereas the first day they were very chill and friendly, this day they were saying "OK come on come on pick someone." I attribute this to the fact that only one of us went with someone the day before. This day all three of us went and none of us were happy. My gal was totally bored and mechanical, although I did come in her mouth (covered). Then they were nagging for tips and were not happy with 100 baht. Fine, you don't like a 100 baht tip, you get zero. Ming did not ask for a tip and seemed very happy. So, put soapies under the heading of been there, done that.
We liked the Thai food at Molly Malone's quite well and ate there a couple of times. Actually all the food in Pattaya was good. Then we went back to Soi 2 and went to Easy Riders on Drinking Street, which had a nice rock band and some cute gals. Went there two nights in a row, went to some beer bars, nothing memorable. We went to some go-go on Soi 2 which had soapy tubs and I pulled a nice gal from there for 1000 plus the bar fine of 600. Still this seems like too much money to me, but she was fun. After I showed her out, there were two fat drunk English women in the hotel bar so I chatted them up to see if maybe they would buy a Mick a drink which they did. They were there to see one of their sons marry his Thai girlfriend. They asked me if the woman they had seen was my Thai girlfriend. I was drunk so I said, "No, she is a prostitute. I never met her before." This did not faze them and shortly thereafter their nephew came down with his gay prostitute. Whatever.
On the final day we went into what was supposed to be the first go-go in Pattaya, the Tahitian Queen. The fat madam took a shine to me for some reason and we had many beers and then I pulled some 40kg spinner from there and bounced her around for a while. Again 1000 plus the BF. I liked this place. It is on Beach Road right by Soi 13 (although not that exact block). That night I was walking down Walking Street and some Chinese guy was yelling, "Marijuana! Marijuana!" so I bought four little envelopes of it for 1000 baht which was probably too much but I did not give a shit. First strong pot I smoked in years. Felt great. Smoked on the beach until sunrise.
The next day we left for Bangkok. My friends absolutely refused to consider taking the bus and we ended up paying 1700 baht to rent a silly, uncomfortable little car with weak ass AC. My friends had way more luggage than I had so why did I have to ride with my backpack on my fucking lap the whole way? Thanks a lot guys. Lesson learned. The bus would have been way more comfortable with better AC. Plus the Indian driver stopped for lunch at some shit hole rest area where he undoubtedly got a commission and the food was terrible. I thought I was going to be sick from it but it just kind of sat there festering in my gut for hours, leading me to have no enthusiasm to go out that night, plus I was tired. I had booked the Ever Rich Inn but instead I got "walked" to the Grand Mercure on Soi 22, which was a fabulous hotel for the 1600 baht I paid but rather far from the action.
More to follow.
Hi guys,
I have a fetish for nylons, pantyhose and uniforms (schoolgirl, air stewardess, nurse, maid, etc.). I am aware that there are supposedly take-out bars that cater to these types of places. Would you know of any in Pattaya, BKK and Phuket?
Thx in advance!
PS: I've heard that Afterskool in Soi Cowboy could fit my desire. Is that true?
[QUOTE=Dickhead]I don't remember but it is very near where the three Estonian guys got beat up a few days later (I think one of them died), maybe even the same place. As you are walking from Beach Road to Walking Street it is one of the first lefts on Walking Street, and then it is one of the first places on the left.
The gal from the soapy was Ming, and maybe her number was 110 and not 101. Then the next day we went back to the third and largest soapy. Whereas the first day they were very chill and friendly, this day they were saying "OK come on come on pick someone." I attribute this to the fact that only one of us went with someone the day before. This day all three of us went and none of us were happy. My gal was totally bored and mechanical, although I did come in her mouth (covered). Then they were nagging for tips and were not happy with 100 baht. Fine, you don't like a 100 baht tip, you get zero. Ming did not ask for a tip and seemed very happy. So, put soapies under the heading of been there, done that.
We liked the Thai food at Molly Malone's quite well and ate there a couple of times. Actually all the food in Pattaya was good. Then we went back to Soi 2 and went to Easy Riders on Drinking Street, which had a nice rock band and some cute gals. Went there two nights in a row, went to some beer bars, nothing memorable. We went to some go-go on Soi 2 which had soapy tubs and I pulled a nice gal from there for 1000 plus the bar fine of 600. Still this seems like too much money to me, but she was fun. After I showed her out, there were two fat drunk English women in the hotel bar so I chatted them up to see if maybe they would buy a Mick a drink which they did. They were there to see one of their sons marry his Thai girlfriend. They asked me if the woman they had seen was my Thai girlfriend. I was drunk so I said, "No, she is a prostitute. I never met her before." This did not faze them and shortly thereafter their nephew came down with his gay prostitute. Whatever.
On the final day we went into what was supposed to be the first go-go in Pattaya, the Tahitian Queen. The fat madam took a shine to me for some reason and we had many beers and then I pulled some 40kg spinner from there and bounced her around for a while. Again 1000 plus the BF. I liked this place. It is on Beach Road right by Soi 13 (although not that exact block). That night I was walking down Walking Street and some Chinese guy was yelling, "Marijuana! Marijuana!" so I bought four little envelopes of it for 1000 baht which was probably too much but I did not give a shit. First strong pot I smoked in years. Felt great. Smoked on the beach until sunrise.
The next day we left for Bangkok. My friends absolutely refused to consider taking the bus and we ended up paying 1700 baht to rent a silly, uncomfortable little car with weak ass AC. My friends had way more luggage than I had so why did I have to ride with my backpack on my fucking lap the whole way? Thanks a lot guys. Lesson learned. The bus would have been way more comfortable with better AC. Plus the Indian driver stopped for lunch at some shit hole rest area where he undoubtedly got a commission and the food was terrible. I thought I was going to be sick from it but it just kind of sat there festering in my gut for hours, leading me to have no enthusiasm to go out that night, plus I was tired. I had booked the Ever Rich Inn but instead I got "walked" to the Grand Mercure on Soi 22, which was a fabulous hotel for the 1600 baht I paid but rather far from the action.
More to follow.[/QUOTE]
Be very careful doing drugs In Thailand they are not easy going, I would not like to spend time in one of there jails. You would spend a long time there.
1700bht for a taxi to bangkok you paid way too much next time just go up to a stand in pattaya and you can pay 800-1000 bht to Bangkok . There is even a chap Mr Tom who will do it for 1200bht
Dickhead, I have read many of your posts in the Argentina Private section. Is this your first trip to Thailand?
Great reports. Looking forward to your BKK adventures.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]<cut>
Rested a bit, hooked up with my two friends, and headed to Walking Street. What a zoo. I described it as equal parts Disneyland, Las Vegas, and Gomorrah. <cut>[/QUOTE]
Well nice reports, but you can post about Pattaya mongering in the Pattaya Thread, so that people in the future doing searches of the Pattaya Thread will be able to find your stuff.
Hi All,
My first post here (I'm a senior member in the USA Guide Florida) I am planning my first trip to Thailand this summer. I have read up on both Pattaya & Bangkok and I have a question. Which place would people recommend for my first time experience. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Looking1964]Hi All,
My first post here (I'm a senior member in the USA Guide Florida) I am planning my first trip to Thailand this summer. I have read up on both Pattaya & Bangkok and I have a question. Which place would people recommend for my first time experience. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Pattaya by far...all action have shifted to pattaya from bangkok..
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Pattaya by far...all action have shifted to pattaya from bangkok..[/QUOTE]I've read alot about the ST and LT and other aspects of the trip. Recently, I was reading the ladyboys have been segreated to certain areas. Is this still true or has it reverted back to old days of "buyer beware".
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Pattaya by far...all action have shifted to pattaya from bangkok..[/QUOTE]???
Giotto
[QUOTE=Looking1964]Hi All,
My first post here (I'm a senior member in the USA Guide Florida) I am planning my first trip to Thailand this summer. I have read up on both Pattaya & Bangkok and I have a question. Which place would people recommend for my first time experience. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Florida...you bring back memories...the old Tamiami Trail....
Anyways, depends really, why not both? They are close to each other, easy access via bus or cab or car or whatever. All action has not shifted to Pattaya, there is plenty in Bangkok. But if you are going from South East Coast USA to LOS I would think you are going to spend more then 3 days. So if you have the time, look at doing both.
In my opinion only.... I think Pattaya has cheaper prices in general, more girls in general, and the locations and hotels have cleaned themselves up some. Not sure how to say the last part really but I guess now there are some nice(r) hotels in Pattaya, or more of them. With the airport it's almost as close as BKK is, the new airport is more inbetween Pattaya and BKK. If you land the airport and head to BKK you are going opposite direction of Pattaya and the same in reverse.
BKK, it's easy, still plenty of girls, plenty of choices, definitely no shortage of girls, no hassels really, etc... Personally I like BKK over Pattaya but I have other items to do in Thailand other then just mongering. And trust me, there is plenty of action in BKK. You won't be disappointed in either place.
[QUOTE=Looking1964]Hi All,
My first post here (I'm a senior member in the USA Guide Florida) I am planning my first trip to Thailand this summer. I have read up on both Pattaya & Bangkok and I have a question. Which place would people recommend for my first time experience. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks[/QUOTE]You are going to get a wide variety of responses. I prefer Bangkok. Pattaya is more "in your face sex". Women all over. And the chief reason for going there, imo, is "sex. "
Bangkok, on the other hand certainly has women. And it can be in your face in parts such as Sukhumvit, etc. But there's also just much more to do, etc.
I think it depends on what you prefer. Do you want to see what a big city in Asia is like and also see some women? Then it's Bangkok. If you only want to go for the women, then maybe Pattaya. If you have time, do both, then you will know which you like.
[QUOTE=Looking1964]Hi All,
My first post here (I'm a senior member in the USA Guide Florida) I am planning my first trip to Thailand this summer. I have read up on both Pattaya & Bangkok and I have a question. Which place would people recommend for my first time experience. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Looking,
I think you should spend a few days at both city , it is only 2 hr bus ride each city are different go to bangkok first then pattaya if you like big city better than pattaya you can always leave and go back to bangkok.
Fast eddie 48
Of course I know 1700 was too much to pay to go from Pattaya to Bangkok. We DID just go up to a stand, a couple of them. It would have been 1500 with only one stop. But anyway my friends just flat were not into negotiating anything or looking for the best price. Also it was important to them to have a newer car, and we arranged it at the last minute. I think I was pretty clear that I would have just taken the bus.
Yes, it was my first trip to Thailand, and probably my last unless there was some other reason to be there. OK, so where were we? In Bangkok, I believe. So the second morning I had to go to the Ever Rich from the Mercure to which I had been walked. By this time I had already located the Ever Rich and determined it was too far to walk with luggage. So, I had the hotel write the address in Thai and I got a cab at the hotel. All you have to do is go down Soi 22 to Sukhumvit and turn left and you go right there. I knew I was in trouble when the cab turned right on Soi 17 or so. I asked him what he was doing but he spoke zero English (which is why I had the address written in Thai). To make a long story short he drove around and around and somehow became convinced I was going to the Landmark, which is across the street, but you cannot cross the street there. He kept making U turns and I was getting more and more pissed off (he had long since turned the meter off). I ended up having to just throw the door open in traffic, reach forward, turn his ignition off, and threaten to grab his keys. I got my luggage out of the trunk, gave him his keys and the 50 baht it should have cost. He would not take the money. I think he lost face. He certainly wasn't trying to screw me; he just did not know what the fuck he was doing.
Anyway, the lesson I learned from that is not to take a cab that just dropped someone off at your hotel because he might not know the neighborhood. Checked into the Ever Rich which was fine but not great for 1600 baht. What I did like was that the AC stayed on even when you were not in the room, none of this key card bullshit. They sell beer for 40 baht. It is run by Indians. If you stay there, do not bother trying to use the internet there as it is ridiculously slow.
My friend I met in BA showed up around 2 PM and we went first to Soi 7 and ate across from the beer garden which was very good. Then we went to the beer garden which reminded me of Cafe Exedra in Buenos Aires but with cheaper beer (70 baht). But no AC. It was a bit warmish but not really that hot. Tons of women. Moved on to Nana which I expected not to like and I did not. After Pattaya it was just too weird. So then we went on the Metro to Soi Cowboy and to a place my friend referred to as the "petting zoo." The name is After School.
As soon as I came in, three women were all over me, reaching down my pants and up my shirt. I was paranoid about getting my pocket picked so I went in the men's room and put most of my money in my sock. I am not a big fan of hand jobs but then again I do not have six hands. Soon they had my dick out which I am not accustomed to in public but my dick seemed happy so I went with the flow. I ended up buying them each 2 drinks for 80 baht and one worked on my balls while one had the shaft and the third had miscellaneous duties such as nipples and DFK. I was not really looking to waste a nut with a hand job but they were fairly persuasive. As the saga continued I wondered about the mess but at an appropriate time a handful of napkins appeared and splat. So 80 x 2 x 3 + (3 x 100) in tips plus a tip for the waitress equated to about 850 baht for a hand job. WNR but it was fun. Getting jacked off in public, check off my list and no need to do again.
Later I went back to this same place and went to Naughty Boy Corner and got a fairly public BJ from one of the original three culprits. She wanted 700 and I offered 400 and she said okay, but it would be "short time." She blew me for about 10 minutes, I bought her one drink, and left without finishing. Getting blown in public, already been there and did that in Buenos Aires by far more skilled practitioners. But hey, it was fun. Good clean fun and the gals were all pretty nice.
More to follow. And yeah Mick I could put the reports in sections like Pattaya, etc., but this section is for general reports so I feel it is appropriate to put it all here. So far I am finding the visit interesting but really I like the food better than the pussy so far, as compared to Buenos Aires. I realize that is a tough comparison. Next report will start with some general observations on Bangkok.
What drugs are good for killing pain in Thailand? Any of these that
killed Heath Ledger.
"oxycodone, hydrocodone, diazepam, temazepam, alprazolam and doxylamine"
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]What drugs are good for killing pain in Thailand? Any of these that
killed Heath Ledger.
"oxycodone, hydrocodone, diazepam, temazepam, alprazolam and doxylamine"[/QUOTE]
It is easier to get illegal drugs in Thailand than legal ones. The dentists in Bangkok General Hosital do not even know what Vicodin is????? They prescribe Tyenol. Upon later reserach I found out that Thailand is so parnoid about their drug image that they banned all opiates like Codine, Vicodin even for medical purposes. Idiots! Always a constant reminder that you are living in a third world country. This is why you do not see deaths by overdose here. The illegal drugs easily obtained is pot, yaba, coke, crystal meth, but not downers or pain killers. Hence, people have to jump from condo balconies.
[QUOTE=Thaid Up]It is easier to get illegal drugs in Thailand than legal ones. The dentists in Bangkok General Hosital do not even know what Vicodin is????? They prescribe Tyenol. Upon later reserach I found out that Thailand is so parnoid about their drug image that they banned all opiates like Codine, Vicodin even for medical purposes. Idiots! Always a constant reminder that you are living in a third world country. This is why you do not see deaths by overdose here. The illegal drugs easily obtained is pot, yaba, coke, crystal meth, but not downers or pain killers. Hence, people have to jump from condo balconies.[/QUOTE]I requested T3s and Morphine from Bumrungrad Hospital, Soi 3, but got only extra strength Tylenol 500 and Celebrex. Not sure how potent the latter is vs T3s even though I used it, for the first time, since the pain was not too bad. I think I got a bit of a buzz from it, like from drinking coffee, but not as strong as taking a couple T3s.
Last trip a BKK pharmacist gave me a combination of two drugs to take that he claimed was like T3s. I got these in case my supply of T3s ran out, but have not tried them yet.
Can someone recommended good tailor shop in Bangkok or Pattaya?
Thanx in advance
[QUOTE=Noman2]Can someone recommended good tailor shop in Bangkok or Pattaya?
Thanx in advance[/QUOTE]I have my suits made at Ambassador Tailor Sukhumvit Soi 19, Great Quality! My suits are expensive though as I usually use Super 120 and prefer fabrics from England rather than Italian.
Talk to Kenny, he is a great bloke and won't overcharge you.
While waiting for your suits, go to Luxury Massage across the Street ;)
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Although it isn't official yet, there are indications that they will shortly be tightening tourist visa rules.
Tourist visas will only be issued to those who have ongoing international tickets (outside the region). Meaning that if you have an ongoing ticket to, say Cambodia, this isn't good enough.
Basically, it is becoming more evident that they don't want outsiders here for any length of time unless they are working legally, or over 50 and can meet the retirement criteria. [/QUOTE]Although it isn't infallibly true as to what the future holds, there are indications "they" will "shortly" be lightening visa rules.
The BKK post of February 8, 2008 reported that the new Tourism and Sport minister, Weerasak Kowsurat, plans to "amend relevant laws to boost the tourism industry".
[url]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080211.BCTHAILAND11/TPStory/TPInternational/Asia/[/url]
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I have my suits made at Ambassador Tailor Sukhumvit Soi 19, Great Quality! My suits are expensive though as I usually use Super 120 and prefer fabrics from England rather than Italian.
Talk to Kenny, he is a great bloke and won't overcharge you.
While waiting for your suits, go to Luxury Massage across the Street ;)[/QUOTE]I can highly recommend Majestic Tailors Sukhumvit (Soi 4), owned by the same family that runs Majestic Suites (actually the tailor shop is in the same building). Excellent quality!
[QUOTE=Kurt1962]I can highly recommend Majestic Tailors Sukhumvit (Soi 4), owned by the same family that runs Majestic Suites (actually the tailor shop is in the same building). Excellent quality![/QUOTE]
I thought I was in Soi 2 when staying at the Majestic Suites. :confused:
So where are you saying the tailor is?
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I thought I was in Soi 2 when staying at the Majestic Suites. :confused:
So where are you saying the tailor is?[/QUOTE]
Mick, I believe you stayed at the Majestic Grande.
Majestic Suites is on Suk, about 50m from Nana. The tailor shop, which IMO, is highly overpriced, is next door.
[QUOTE=1Ball]Mick, I believe you stayed at the Majestic Grande.
Majestic Suites is on Suk, about 50m from Nana. The tailor shop, which IMO, is highly overpriced, is next door.[/QUOTE]
Yeh I'm getting old. Thanks for clearing that up.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Yeh I'm getting old. Thanks for clearing that up.[/QUOTE]
Maybe getting old, ML, but still "The Undisputed King Of The Soapies".
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330489,00.html[/url]
Interesting article for me, since I read about the pony tail bandit in the news when she robbed one of the banks and it funny that they ended up in Thailand!
[QUOTE=Padrote][url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330489,00.html[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Last trip a BKK pharmacist gave me a combination of two drugs to take that he claimed was like T3s. I got these in case my supply of T3s ran out, but have not tried them yet.[/QUOTE]To elaborate on this, these two drugs I bought in Thailand are ULTRACET and something with PML1 written on the pills. I was told to take 2 tablets of ULTRACET, containing 37. 5 mg tramadol HCL and 325 mg paracetamol, with one tablet of the other {with PML1 written on it}. The latter pills say on the back of the container they are in, PHARNAX 1MG and Alprazolam 1 mg. It seems that there is no codeine, and one of the pharmacists I spoke to said I would have to go to the hospital to get codeine.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramadol[/url] (like opiates, but about 10% as strong)
325 mg paracetamol is 325mg TYLENOL (another name for the product)
Alprazolam and Pharnax are identical - (again a different name for the identical drug) - used to treat anxiety (so you will still hurt but it won't make you upset)
so a synthetic low grade opiate, tylenol, and an anti-anxiety drug.
Your call. When I travel I take about 10 vicodins along for emergency use (in a labeled pill bottle - prescription) knocks out most pain quite well enough
Not really sure where to post this, Sorry, so I'll post it here.
I used to have Camfrog version 3.93 with a Crack that enabled me to sort, have a bigger Video Screen and have access to Pro Member Rooms only.
I still could not open multiple videos but the Crack was working well until a few days ago.
Now, Version 3.93 is no longer supported so I had to install the newer version 4.1.82.
Now I can't really do anything except the very basic (which sucks).
My questions are as follows:
1. Is there a new Crack available out there that I do not know about?
2. If I were to upgrade to PRO (which I am considering), can I see other countries than Thailand? (Thai Government blocked other Countries to ensure people using Camfrog do not see the Sex that happends elsewhere)
Thank you for your comments
I really expected a lot more noise, chaos, and traffic. It was a lot more orderly than I figured it would be. The biggest issue to me was the lack of sidewalks. Not really a good walking city at all.
The food was great and Thais eat the way I want to eat: five or so small meals a day, no big huge ones. That is much better for mongering too. I stuck pretty much to the Beer Garden on Soi 7 after some initial forays at Soi Cowboy. Nana was not for me.
I think the tuk-tuks are just silly and dangerous since they really are not much cheaper than the cabs. I used bus 551A, I believe is the number, to get to the airport (maybe it is 521A, but the information booths at the airport will know all of this). Metro to On Nut by the train station. I think that was 30 baht from Nana. You can leave bags at the train station for 10 bhat a day. Then the bus takes about an hour (it is air conditioned) and costs 32 baht. It goes to the "transportation centrr" and then you take a free shuttle to the actual eairport. I was amazed that you cannot buy beer there between 2PM and 5 PM or before 11 AM (applies to both the airport and the transportation centre) I also used a bus to get from the old airport to the new one when I came back from Phuket (and was going to Cambodia) and that was 32 baht as well.
When I was there I did hear that they are going to integrate the Metro and the MTA so that you can buy a single ticket, and that they are going to reduce fares to increase ridership. Now there is a concept, decreasing price to increase demand. Here in Latin America they raise prices when business is slow which is so far beyond stupid I cannot begin to comment. The Metro seemed expensive to me for the length of the trip and it appeared to be used more by gringos than by locals, and was seldom full so all of this makes good sense.
One last airport tip: Once you go through security at the new airport there are no more concessions so I bought some cold beers at the duty free. They seal the bag and you can bring it through security. Then, open the bag and bottoms up! Cheaper than buying beers at the bars. Even cheaper is the 7-11 in the entrance lobby but then you have the no beer sales during certain hours thingy to deal with; this does not apply to the duty free.
The cheapest place I found for beer, bottled water, and cheap eats was the Food King (or some such name) on Soi 5 a block from Sukhumvit. 27 baht for a Singha and 5 baht for water. Lots of cute cashiers there too. You can eat at the food counter and BYOB if you pay a corkage fee and this will still be cheaper than buying your booze at the counter.
The pool hall on Soi 7 before you get to the Beer Gardens has very good food, as does the larger place across the street caddy corner from the Beer Garden. I stayed at the Ever Rich Inn and it was okay but seemed a bit pricey at 1600 baht. They sell beer there for 40 baht or the pharmacy next door sells it for 30. It is run by Indians who speak good English, and are helpful, but yell and scream at the Thai help. I was able to leave my bigger bag there when I went to Cambodia. I stashed my last joint in the curtain rod and then requested the same room when I came back so that worked out well. Try for the rooms at the end of the hall as they are quieter. I was in 206 and it was nice and quiet. The hotel has in-room safes but no mini-fridge (at least 206 does not have one). That is where the 40 baht beers come in handy. I never tried the food there.
Probably I will never be back in Bangkok but I did enjoy it. Go to the electronics market in Chinatown, and also the flower market.
What a terrible place. Worst attitudes I ever encountered on the trip. The first afternoon we pulled some gals from the one big place that opens up early, on the right side of Bangla as you walk towards the water. We asked them how much they wanted and they said, "Up to you." Then when we gave them 1000 baht they went ballistic. I had also offered mine 100 baht for a taxi even though we were four blocks away. She said I was "stupid" and "Phuket and Pattaya not same." Too bad. Do you want the 100 or not? She proceeded to tell me she had "her own car and everything" and did not need my money. So WTF are you bitching about? After buying them a couple of drinks and paying the 600 baht bar fine I thought 1000 was just fine and that is what we were paying in Pattaya.
Another time I was in one of the gogos in Soi Charlie and I offered the bartender a 20 baht tip for a 90 peso bill and she said "That is for the toilet." No, 5 baht is for the toilet. Then the gal I had been playing the dice game with and buying drinks for told me that the 20 baht tip I offered her was "toilet PAPER" so I stuck it back in my pocket and left.
The tuk-tuks that were 20 baht in Pattaya wanted 200 baht! Not going to happen so we basically walked everywhere. Nobody wanted to negotiate anything. No place had air conditioning. I bought a beer at the convenience store by my hotel and the clerk (cashier) asked me to buy him a beer! I thought this was such an outlandish request that I actually did it. Finally we found a pretty cool place which was called, I believe, Bar One. We had fun shooting pool with the girls and playing the dice games but when I finally took one home she was a complete starfish who would not do oral. So avoid her. She looks Chinese, always wears a hat, like a bowler hat, and is left-handed. A very good pool player.
I think Islam is fucking up this part of the country and I was disgusted to see the Muslim men wearing shorts while their wives were completely covered in the searing heat, and walking seven steps behind.
I would rather rip my tonsils out with a fish hook than ever go here again, and the food was not as good as it was in Pattaya or Bangkok. And, the place stinks to high heaven. I don't really understand why this place even exists and I think it needs a bigger tidal wave next time.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Not really sure where to post this, Sorry, so I'll post it here.
I used to have Camfrog version 3.93 with a Crack that enabled me to sort, have a bigger Video Screen and have access to Pro Member Rooms only.
I still could not open multiple videos but the Crack was working well until a few days ago.
Now, Version 3.93 is no longer supported so I had to install the newer version 4.1.82.
Now I can't really do anything except the very basic (which sucks).
My questions are as follows:
1. Is there a new Crack available out there that I do not know about?
2. If I were to upgrade to PRO (which I am considering), can I see other countries than Thailand? (Thai Government blocked other Countries to ensure people using Camfrog do not see the Sex that happends elsewhere)
Thank you for your comments[/QUOTE]
It's a one time fee of $49.95. Why not pay it? It's not much. Then you can see everything from everywhere.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]What a terrible place. Worst attitudes I ever encountered on the trip.[/quote]Let me guess, you only stayed in Patong right?
[quote]I would rather rip my tonsils out with a fish hook than ever go here again, and the food was not as good as it was in Pattaya or Bangkok. And, the place stinks to high heaven. I don't really understand why this place even exists and I think it needs a bigger tidal wave next time.[/QUOTE]You obviously have not been out of the *****s Districts then. Phuket has some beautiful sceneries and beaches. Next time you go there, get out of Patpong, you might find some very friendly people.
last but not least, regarding the comment about the tidal wave, better shut your pie hole on the subject at least out of respect for the people who died and their Families.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]It's a one time fee of $49.95. Why not pay it? It's not much. Then you can see everything from everywhere.[/QUOTE]Actually price isn't the issue, I have money, it's the credit card I am missing.
But working on that so, soon I'll have one :)
Okey, I've been pondering about this for a while and hope some of you could enlighten me (and others). Here in Chiang Mai the Karaoke places has been popping up rapidly the past year, nice small outlets which 5-20 girls hanging around outside in their bar stool's.
As I have one just a few hundred meters down the street I've been watching it and can't figure it out. Some guys stop in their car, the girls run over and chat and sometimes they jump in and off they go. But most of the guys pop in and stay there for some hours, and leave (happy? ).
So how does it work, can you take these girls with you if you pay a fine? (loss of profit for the place) or are those guys mentioned in the cars some VIP's which has some exclusive privilege? And in the karaoke itself, do they have short time rooms, or can you do the deed in the actual room? And how much (approx) do you think that would cost? I've found some posts from some Bangkok report, mentioning very high prices. But I can guarantee you that some of these guys who go there don't have 10k to spend.
So the reason for asking, some of these chicks are d#! "¤ hot, and I would love to swipe some of them up and drive away to a close by motel:.-) And return them in a stirred but no shaken state
Thanks for any hints!
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Probably I will never be back in Bangkok but I did enjoy it. Go to the electronics market in Chinatown, and also the flower market.[/QUOTE]
So, when all is said and done......you would say Argentina is a lot better place? Can you make some direct comparisons?
[QUOTE=Dickhead]What a terrible place.
I would rather rip my tonsils out with a fish hook than ever go here again, [/QUOTE]I'm so glad to know this now. I have my newbie trip booked for Pattaya in May and was thinking about a side trip to Phuket for 3-4 days. Not now.
[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]So, when all is said and done......you would say Argentina is a lot better place? Can you make some direct comparisons?[/QUOTE]
Lover Boy,
There's no way to really compare the two. It's like comparing seafood to steaks. Some guys like both, some only like steaks and others only like seafood. You need to try them both and decide for yourself. The starting point is the woman of course. Do you like Asian woman or South American woman or both? From there, the environment, culture, food, everything is very different. Even the venues have a different approach.
Dickhead has his views and I'm sure he has his reasons for not liking certain parts of Thailand and why he probably has no plans to return to BKK. It is just one view and I hope you understand why there could be huge differences of opinion. Dickhead is clearly in the pro South America corner. That does not make him a bad guy or wrong in his assessment. Thailand does not meet his tastes or possibly it may be too far to go and he has other options closer to home. If you compare the activity on the threads, you will see all of these locations have many posters, so that means there are fans in all of these places.
I have been to both and will stick with Asia. I am Asian, born in the U.S. and I could be biased. But there are many fans of Thailand who are not Asian and they still love it just the same. Just wanted to add my thoughts.
AT2
[QUOTE=Twice Divorced]I'm so glad to know this now. I have my newbie trip booked for Pattaya in May and was thinking about a side trip to Phuket for 3-4 days. Not now.[/QUOTE]
Really? You would let one guy's opinion sway you that much? Your decision, but I would never understand letting one person's opinion swaying a decision to that degree. Unless, you have known him since childhood and know for a fact that you share the same opinions and taste.
Pattaya, Phuket and Bangkok are very different in many ways. You need to ask yourself why these places interested you in the first place and what you believe are the differences and others on these threads will be able to confirm it for you or give you a different view.
AT2
Well, I love Thailand, but I am going to be going to Argentina during the last half of April. I will be sure to let everyone know how I think that the places stack up. Keep in mind that my last encounter in LOS was my favorite lady from the whole trip - a passionate, playful 22 year old ultra GFE who was around an 8.5 in looks, and on whom I spent 600 baht for ST, and 1000 for LT.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]What a terrible place. Worst attitudes I ever encountered on the trip.[/QUOTE]You had some bad luck in Phucket, which could happen in BKK, Pattaya
or anywhere in the world.
On the street in BKK one night I picked up a very pretty slim redhead from Phucket. For only 1200 Baht ST she sucked and fucked me very well. Price was not prearranged, BTW, and she was appeared happy with it.
[QUOTE=Twice Divorced]I'm so glad to know this now. I have my newbie trip booked for Pattaya in May and was thinking about a side trip to Phuket for 3-4 days. Not now.[/QUOTE]All of this because a dickhead said so? What exactly do you go to Phuket for? if it's for the *****s, then staying in Pattaya will be cheaper, if it's for the Beaches or even Surfing then you might want to go to Phuket or Trang or Koh Yao.
If you love Diving, then I suggest Koh Tao.
[QUOTE=Twice Divorced]I'm so glad to know this now. I have my newbie trip booked for Pattaya in May and was thinking about a side trip to Phuket for 3-4 days. Not now.[/QUOTE]
Don't just go on one persons say so give it a go, yes I know it is more expensive then pattaya but the beach is nice and there is plenty of exploring to be done.
I have only been once in Setember 2006 so things may have changed but give it a go you may love the place.
You get the annoying stuck up fuckers every where, why let the few spoil it for the rest.
I find it hard to believe that anyone would think the beach in Phuket was nice, at least not the main one. But then I have been to a lot of world-class beaches (so many I never want to go to another one again). Certainly we got out of Phuket and saw some nice things but they were not related to the purpose of this board. In fact, I think when in Phuket that is the best thing to do: get out of it!
Comparing Argentina and Thailand would be like asking if you drive to work or pack a lunch. It would be like comparing Ronaldo to Minnesota Fats. There is no overlap among the two. Definitely I like the food better in Thailand. In fact, the food in Argentina is way overrated. Definitely I like the women better in Argentina but that is just me. I am sort of funny in that I like my women to move a little bit so that I am sure they still have a pulse.
Overall people in the stores and restaurants are friendlier in Thailand and the service is better. The drivers are not nearly as insane in Thailand; in fact they were surprisingly polite.
Don't get me wrong. I would go back to Thailand if I had some reason to, although I would not go back to either Pattaya or Phuket. All three of us hated Phuket so it was not just me. Bangkok is very interesting. However, I don't think it compares with Buenos Aires as a place to live simply because in Buenos Aires you get two months a year of lousy weather and in Bangkok you get maybe 4 months of acceptable weather. But again, that is just me; I could never live in the tropics unless I was at significant altitude.
My guess is that average hobbyist who takes one or two vacations a year would probably prefer Thailand just because of the sheer quantity that is thrown in your face at all times. Argentina has a tremendous quantity of hookers but the presentation venues are more subtle and would be hard to find for someone who did not speak Spanish.
I am in Patagonia now and it was carnival last night. This drove home another important difference, which is that Buddhists frown on public displays of affection whereas there were hundreds of adolescent Argentinean girls walking around virtually naked, hugging everyone in sight.
Soon I will report on Cambodia although I did not monger there very much. Strange place.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]What a terrible place. Worst attitudes I ever encountered on the trip. The first afternoon we pulled some gals from the one big place that opens up early, on the right side of Bangla as you walk towards the water. We asked them how much they wanted and they said, "Up to you." Then when we gave them 1000 baht they went ballistic. I had also offered mine 100 baht for a taxi even though we were four blocks away. She said I was "stupid" and "Phuket and Pattaya not same." Too bad. Do you want the 100 or not? She proceeded to tell me she had "her own car and everything" and did not need my money. So WTF are you bitching about? After buying them a couple of drinks and paying the 600 baht bar fine I thought 1000 was just fine and that is what we were paying in Pattaya.
[/QUOTE]
Just shows a thorough lack of understanding of the going rate, etc.
If had RTFF, then would have better undertsood what goes on.
I plan to return to Phuket for the 4th or 5th time (lost count) in a few weeks.
Its not such bad place at all if you know where to stay and where to monger.
Mind you I'm taking my GF there, so not visiting Phuket for its mongering prowess.
What would reading the forum (which, of course, I did) have to do with a barmaid telling me that a 22% tip was toilet paper? And would reading the forum have prevented the entire town from smelling like sewage?
But then on the other hand the city I live in is filled with litter and sometimes smells like garbage. So nothing is perfect.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]What would reading the forum (which, of course, I did) have to do with a barmaid telling me that a 22% tip was toilet paper? And would reading the forum have prevented the entire town from smelling like sewage?[/QUOTE]Just means you most probably sticked to Patong or Phuket town and never got to experience the Real Phuket beaches. I have been there many times and find the people to be quite Friendly and always helpful.
[QUOTE=Dickhead] Comparing Argentina and Thailand would be like asking if you drive to work or pack a lunch. It would be like comparing Ronaldo to Minnesota Fats. There is no overlap among the two.[/QUOTE]
I dunno - In recent years, it seems that there was A LOT more in common between Ronaldo and Minnesota Fats than Ronaldo would care to admit. I am fairly amazed at how Ronaldo can continue to pull top-tier super models despite the substantial extra girth that he's been carrying around. It certainly has done a job of slowing his first step to the ball that defensive fullbacks had not been able to accomplish on their own previously in Ronaldo's career.
Yes, NF, my reports on Pattaya and Phuket pertain only to the actual cities themselves and not to any of the outlying areas. For example, we never went to Jomtien. Maybe I should have made that more clear. I have no doubt some of the outlying areas are better since it would be hard to imagine them being any worse.
One more thing: I got a hell of a grilling from US Customs when I went back through LA. First I got a lot of questions about why I was there, what I did for a living, where I was going next, etc. Then I was directed to "Line B," where they wanted to see my laptop and my camera. I had deleted all the nude pictures from my laptop before I left Argentina and I never ended up using it in Asia anyway. But when I turned on the camera, the batteries were dead because it had turned itself on in my bag (a design flaw with that model of Canon), and that made the agent deeply suspicious. He point blank asked me if I had "naked pictures of girls." Fortunately I had some more batteries in my bag. After seeing a bunch of pictures of Buddhist temples and tuk tuks he calmed down (I am not into porno or taking pictures of chicas). I had a bunch of pictures from a trip to Chile with a woman friend of mine and she was fully clothed in all of them.
The funniest thing was when he saw pictures of the train tracks and the train cars in Chile. He wanted to know why I took pictures of empty train tracks, and I explained to him that my friend was from Argentina and had never seen train tracks or train cars that weren't totally full of litter.
I expected a lot of litter in Bangkok and was pleasantly surprised in that regard. In fact, my friend got fined 1000 baht for throwing a cigarette butt on the ground, which I thought was just excellent although I kept my mouth shut about it. Problem is, though, there are very few trash cans.
Anyway, be careful in this regard. He looked at all 200 and some pictures in my camera and was very suspicious that I had absolutely no pictures at all on my computer. I told him I was interested in history and architecture but not photography (this is true), and that I only took pictures on my trips because my Argentinean friends who were too poor to travel ask me to do it (also true). I had a bunch of Xanax and sleeping pills and Viagra and I did not have prescriptions for any of them so I was hoping he would not search my luggage, and he didn't. I was nervous but did a good job of not showing it, probably because I was still full of Xanax from the flight.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]One more thing: I got a hell of a grilling from US Customs when I went back through LA. First I got a lot of questions about why I was there, what I did for a living, where I was going next, etc. Then I was directed to "Line B, " where they wanted to see my laptop and my camera. [/QUOTE]Which begs the question, how does one get their photos home safely nowadays? Anyone care to educamate me? (I'm on my way over to LOS this Friday, and would love to bring home some memories! )
[QUOTE=Dobinator1]Which begs the question, how does one get their photos home safely nowadays? Anyone care to educamate me? (I'm on my way over to LOS this Friday, and would love to bring home some memories! )[/QUOTE]I'm curious; when did the US become worse than Nazi Germany? If I end up encountering these type of Gestapo tactics I'll probably end up on the nightly news. Land of the Free my ass!
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I have my suits made at Ambassador Tailor Sukhumvit Soi 19, Great Quality! My suits are expensive though as I usually use Super 120 and prefer fabrics from England rather than Italian.
Talk to Kenny, he is a great bloke and won't overcharge you.
While waiting for your suits, go to Luxury Massage across the Street ;)[/QUOTE]
I went to Ambassador Tailor based on this recommendation. Kenny was late that day but got good service from Bob. I saw Kenny the next day when I came back for a second fitting and I told him he blew a commission. He's young. Hopefully he will learn.
The 120s cost $350 per suit fully-tailored. Try to pay in baht as there is a credit card surcharge of 4%.
You can buy 120s in the garment district in LA for $400-$500. If you add the 8.25% sales tax and $100 for tailoring in LA buying suits in BKK is a good deal.
I also had dress shirts made to order. Shirts are $35. The shirts in LA are $42 for high quality in the garment district so this is not as great of a deal.
[QUOTE=Dobinator1]Which begs the question, how does one get their photos home safely nowadays? Anyone care to educamate me? (I'm on my way over to LOS this Friday, and would love to bring home some memories! )[/QUOTE]Try yousendit ;)
Download your pics to a computer, upload in Yousendit and send to your Email (any email) and then download them again from Yousendit once safe and sound at home.
[url]www.yousendit.com[/url]
[QUOTE=Big Boss Man]I went to Ambassador Tailor based on this recommendation. Kenny was late that day but got good service from Bob. I saw Kenny the next day when I came back for a second fitting and I told him he blew a commission. He's young. Hopefully he will learn.
The 120s cost $350 per suit fully-tailored. Try to pay in baht as there is a credit card surcharge of 4%.
You can buy 120s in the garment district in LA for $400-$500. If you add the 8.25% sales tax and $100 for tailoring in LA buying suits in BKK is a good deal.
I also had dress shirts made to order. Shirts are $35. The shirts in LA are $42 for high quality in the garment district so this is not as great of a deal.[/QUOTE]It all depends on the Fabric you choose. If you know a little bit about Suits, you will see the difference between an Italian and Brittish Fabric, Taylor made and Off the rack Suit.
I have some Very expensive Hugo Boss and Armani Suits but None of them are as nice as the ones From Ambassador Taylor.
Also, As I mentionned, my suits are expensive (16,000 was the cheapest, $500) but they last long, I had 4 suits made 3 years ago when I arrived in Bangkok and they haven't moved, not even a little bit.
One tip though, always make sure you ask them to make 2 pairs of Pants for the suit as Pants get used much faster than the JAckets.
Shirts are around 850-900 thb per piece depending on what you want (I always ask for French Cuffs).
As far as I am concerned, price is not the Issue: I want a good suit that looks good on me. My job requires to meet a lot of customers and I can't afford to meet them wearing a suit or Shirt that has too long sleeves or too large Collar. You want to look good? This has a price.
[QUOTE=Dobinator1]Which begs the question, how does one get their photos home safely nowadays? Anyone care to educamate me? (I'm on my way over to LOS this Friday, and would love to bring home some memories! )[/QUOTE]
There are too many free places. All you need is google them.
Here is one
[url]http://www.easyshareonline.com/[/url]
I would pay 7 euros for one month at
[url]www.rapidshare.com[/url]
Would upload them there and download them once at home and then delete them from their site.
It's the best of them all.
El Greco
What was more interesting was the following quote, wonder what exactly those lifestyles preferences are.
"There are personal reasons they are there," said Arevalo. While he would not detail them, Arevalo said, the two had "individual lifestyle preferences" that led them to Thailand where the drug and sex scene is well-known.
[QUOTE=Owl_]Interesting article for me, since I read about the pony tail bandit in the news when she robbed one of the banks and it funny that they ended up in Thailand![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dobinator1]Which begs the question, how does one get their photos home safely nowadays? Anyone care to educamate me? (I'm on my way over to LOS this Friday, and would love to bring home some memories! )[/QUOTE]1. Go to an internet cafe, download the pics into the computer, have them attached them to a email message and send them to yourself. Many pics? Do it many times.( Better still, get yourself more email addresses, all free.)
2. buy yourself one or more flash drives, the latest I got was 8gig each. Load the pics on it(or them??) and dump the drives in your luggage. Make sure to clear your camera.
Regards,
Dooley
Ok, as you can see from my sign-on I'm a big fan of DEEP THROAT. It's gotta be bareback for it to be any good. I'm planning a trip of 2-3 weeks for January/Feb. 2009 and am trying to decide where to go. Thailand, Cuba, Cambodia, or Dom Republic. If I choose Thailand then I gotta decide between BK, Pattaya, and Phuket. Biggest problem I have is that some friends of mine know of my "sexual addiction" and think I'm in recovery, which is no longer true. If I tell them I'm going to Thailand, especially BK, they'll be all over me about it. How does one decide where to go for great BJ's, and how do you explain it to family and friends so they don't suspect you're going for sex tourism? For example, I'm thinking that if I go to Thailand I'll tell everyone I'm going to some remote beach area that's not known for sex. And. Are there any nice beaches in Pattaya?
Any and all information and recommendations would be appreciated.
[QUOTE=Jeremy]...
2. buy yourself one or more flash drives, the latest I got was 8gig each. Load the pics on it(or them??) and dump the drives in your luggage. Make sure to clear your camera.
Regards,
Dooley[/QUOTE]
Not a good idea. Customs will ask you if you have any USB with you. If you lie, and they find them, you are in deep doo-doo.
Emailing them to yourself is the best way.
If you really want to hide data while you travel, use something like TrueCrypt.
[url]http://www.truecrypt.org/[/url]
[QUOTE=1Ball]Not a good idea. Customs will ask you if you have any USB with you. If you lie, and they find them, you are in deep doo-doo.
Emailing them to yourself is the best way.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=1Ball]Not a good idea. Customs will ask you if you have any USB with you. If you lie, and they find them, you are in deep doo-doo.
Emailing them to yourself is the best way.[/QUOTE]
Just put them in your pocket (the ones with nude images) keep one with touristy pictures with the laptop. Never had any custom officer to ask me, in my years of travel, to empty my pockets.
however, emailing is a better idea,
I've NEVER had customs ask if I had any USB with me (which I do, usually 1 or 2 sticks) - but I'm not used to coming in thru LAX either (the Thai air non-stop) so this trip might be different.
With 4gb SD cards out there (and MICRO SD as well) that CAN fit into a wallet, they would need to be VERY interested in my system to even CARE.
This trip I'm trying a new 7mb camera that takes up to 4gb SD so we'll see if they care (camera is about the size of a pack of cigs)
[QUOTE=Dinghy]I've NEVER had customs ask if I had any USB with me (which I do, usually 1 or 2 sticks) - but I'm not used to coming in thru LAX either (the Thai air non-stop) so this trip might be different. [/QUOTE]
FWIW... Las Vegas, LAX, San Fran are the only places customs have ever given me more then a quick question and look over. IAH, EWR, Miami, JFK, GUM, HNL, and others have never ever done anything more then pass me through. Only a few times have they attempted to open my computer, phones, camera and such and only at those first three airports. And they did ask for all drives and memory sticks.
I have been asked to empty my pockets, at SFO. They ask their questions very well.
"Is this the ENTIRE contents of your pockets"
If you say yes, and they search you and find something other than an old mint, well................I wouldn't risk it.
If the customs officer has a bug up his ass, you can bet he wants to look for yours too. :(
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]FWIW... Las Vegas, LAX, San Fran are the only places customs have ever given me more then a quick question and look over. IAH, EWR, Miami, JFK, GUM, HNL, and others have never ever done anything more then pass me through. Only a few times have they attempted to open my computer, phones, camera and such and only at those first three airports. And they did ask for all drives and memory sticks.[/QUOTE]
Besides my laptop, carry digital camera, 3 compact flash cards, couple of mobile phones, 3 memory sticks for music/pictures on mobile phone, and of course couple of thumb drives. But I always wiped them clean before landing and anything worth saving is uploaded to a gmail or yahoo account. And fortunately I have never been stopped.
This time home, TG non-stop flight to JFK landed 6:25 am, took 10 min to get door open, 5 minute walk to immigration - literally 5 minutes later I'm outside, free and clear and on my way home. Immigration never said a word except 'welcome home', customs took my card, waved me through ;)
[QUOTE=Deep Throat]Ok, as you can see from my sign-on I'm a big fan of DEEP THROAT. It's gotta be bareback for it to be any good. I'm planning a trip of 2-3 weeks for January/Feb. 2009 and am trying to decide where to go. Thailand, Cuba, Cambodia, or Dom Republic. If I choose Thailand then I gotta decide between BK, Pattaya, and Phuket. Biggest problem I have is that some friends of mine know of my "sexual addiction" and think I'm in recovery, which is no longer true. If I tell them I'm going to Thailand, especially BK, they'll be all over me about it. How does one decide where to go for great BJ's, and how do you explain it to family and friends so they don't suspect you're going for sex tourism? For example, I'm thinking that if I go to Thailand I'll tell everyone I'm going to some remote beach area that's not known for sex. And. Are there any nice beaches in Pattaya?
Any and all information and recommendations would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
Woldn't say that Thailand is a good deep throat destination. Even in blow job bars I didn't got a dt. I made good experience in that regard in Brazil and Eastern Europe.
Well, why do you tell your friends that you are going to Thailand at all. Why not tell them you are on a business trip or training course and some weeks not at home?
Wasn't sure where to post this , so I'll post this here...should we be very alarmed about this??
"Gentlemen, we have a situation here. Sponsored by Tom Lantos 10/18/2007 new anti-sex work legislation H.R.3887 passes the House. Section "Sex tourism" prohibits sex with consenting adults even in countries where this is legal. For example, an American who buys sex in legal brothel in Amsterdam, Tijuana, Rio, Thailand, Germany would be subject to Federal prosecution back in the US - link [url]http://bppa.********.com/2007/12/new-federal-anti-sex-work-legislation.html[/url] Contact your Congress person ASAP and tell them NO on H.R.3887 link [url]http://espu-ca.org/wp/?page_id=161[/url] "
[QUOTE=1Ball]I have been asked to empty my pockets, at SFO. They ask their questions very well.
"Is this the ENTIRE contents of your pockets"
If you say yes, and they search you and find something other than an old mint, well................I wouldn't risk it.
If the customs officer has a bug up his ass, you can bet he wants to look for yours too. :([/QUOTE]
Maybe you happen to be particularly shifty looking. :D Are you swarthy and sweaty like Nixon? He always looked quilty of something.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Maybe you happen to be particularly shifty looking. :D Are you swarthy and sweaty like Nixon? He always looked quilty of something.[/QUOTE]
I am 1.55m, 154 kg, I look a bit like "Carrottop", with a lazy eye and buck teeth.
But as I walk down the street in my Singha tank top, the TGs call me hansum man, so I think I am doing OK.
[QUOTE=Deep Throat]Ok, as you can see from my sign-on I'm a big fan of DEEP THROAT. It's gotta be bareback for it to be any good. I'm planning a trip of 2-3 weeks for January/Feb. 2009 and am trying to decide where to go. Thailand, Cuba, Cambodia, or Dom Republic. If I choose Thailand then I gotta decide between BK, Pattaya, and Phuket. Biggest problem I have is that some friends of mine know of my "sexual addiction" and think I'm in recovery, which is no longer true. If I tell them I'm going to Thailand, especially BK, they'll be all over me about it. How does one decide where to go for great BJ's, and how do you explain it to family and friends so they don't suspect you're going for sex tourism? For example, I'm thinking that if I go to Thailand I'll tell everyone I'm going to some remote beach area that's not known for sex. And. Are there any nice beaches in Pattaya?
Any and all information and recommendations would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
BKK has many bj bars, some better than others. As a cover, you will be going through some stop on the way to Thailand and back. Spend a day or two there on the return. Buy some gifts and souvenirs to take back home and take some pics. Spending a day or two, will give you some cover stories. Of course, hopefully, it's not a mongering destination. My stop overs go through Japan, China, Korea or Taiwan.
You can also tell them I'm going to New York, France, some city you are already familiar with. Business or pleasure, depends on your situation. You would have a good cover story, but may have problems explaining why you don't have any gifts/souvenirs in hand.
If you are serious about the sex addiction problem, you may want to think this over and put this trip off a while and ask yourself if it's worth it.
Good luck!
AT2
[QUOTE=Deep Throat]Ok, as you can see from my sign-on I'm a big fan of DEEP THROAT. It's gotta be bareback for it to be any good. I'm planning a trip of 2-3 weeks for January/Feb. 2009 and am trying to decide where to go. Thailand, Cuba, Cambodia, or Dom Republic. If I choose Thailand then I gotta decide between BK, Pattaya, and Phuket.[/QUOTE]Mate, you will find some Deep Throaters in BKK or Pattaya without any problem. What I don't like in Thailand is that a lot of girls are totally uneducated/unexperienced when it comes to BJ or HJ, they just think that quickly sucking the tip or a simple up and down motion will suffice and we both know it is not the case. Having said that, SOL has a few girls that can suck the life out of you, same for Tulip.
Best thing to do when over there is to ask and they will point you towards the right girl.
Recently I had a Great Experience at Annies and the girl sure did know how to suck! ;)
Regarding your Addiction, no worries, just have a good time and have no regrets! ;)
[quote=deep throat]ok, as you can see from my sign-on i'm a big fan of deep throat. it's gotta be bareback for it to be any good. i'm planning a trip of 2-3 weeks for january/feb. 2009 and am trying to decide where to go. thailand, cuba, cambodia, or dom republic. if i choose thailand then i gotta decide between bk, pattaya, and phuket. biggest problem i have is that some friends of mine know of my "sexual addiction" and think i'm in recovery, which is no longer true. if i tell them i'm going to thailand, especially bk, they'll be all over me about it. how does one decide where to go for great bj's, and how do you explain it to family and friends so they don't suspect you're going for sex tourism? for example, i'm thinking that if i go to thailand i'll tell everyone i'm going to some remote beach area that's not known for sex. and. are there any nice beaches in pattaya?
any and all information and recommendations would be appreciated.[/quote]
is noi (the slightly chubby early 30s one) still working at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] bkk? if she is, she will suck you inside out.
Thanks Nic, that's exactly what I hoped to hear. Anyone with specific recent luck regarding mind-blowing BJ's (and deepthroat in particular) please report! And no worries about the sex addiction dude. Thanks for the advice though.
Deepthroat
[QUOTE=Redfield10]Wasn't sure where to post this , so I'll post this here...should we be very alarmed about this??
"Gentlemen, we have a situation here. Sponsored by Tom Lantos 10/18/2007 new anti-sex work legislation H.R.3887 passes the House. Section "Sex tourism" prohibits sex with consenting adults even in countries where this is legal. For example, an American who buys sex in legal brothel in Amsterdam, Tijuana, Rio, Thailand, Germany would be subject to Federal prosecution back in the US - link [url]http://bppa.********.com/2007/12/new-federal-anti-sex-work-legislation.html[/url] Contact your Congress person ASAP and tell them NO on H.R.3887 link [url]http://espu-ca.org/wp/?page_id=161[/url] "[/QUOTE]
But mongering is usually cheaper than having a regular GF or wife.:)
Thankfully I'm not stuck in a puritanical country.
Although Australia has legalised sale of sex, I don't buy here as its just not good value.
[QUOTE=Redfield10]Wasn't sure where to post this , so I'll post this here...should we be very alarmed about this??
"Gentlemen, we have a situation here. Sponsored by Tom Lantos 10/18/2007 new anti-sex work legislation H.R.3887 passes the House. Section "Sex tourism" prohibits sex with consenting adults even in countries where this is legal. For example, an American who buys sex in legal brothel in Amsterdam, Tijuana, Rio, Thailand, Germany would be subject to Federal prosecution back in the US - link [url]http://bppa.********.com/2007/12/new-federal-anti-sex-work-legislation.html[/url] Contact your Congress person ASAP and tell them NO on H.R.3887 link [url]http://espu-ca.org/wp/?page_id=161[/url] "[/QUOTE]
But mongering is usually cheaper than having a regular GF or wife.:)
Thankfully I'm not stuck in a puritanical country.
Although Australia has legalised sale of sex, I don't buy here as its just not good value.
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Biggest problem I have is that some friends of mine know of my "sexual addiction" and think I'm in recovery, which is no longer true. If I tell them I'm going to Thailand, especially BK, they'll be all over me about it. How does one decide where to go for great BJ's, and how do you explain it to family and friends so they don't suspect you're going for sex tourism?
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The ones that know you for sex addiction will suspect no matter what you tell them.
But join the club. We are all sex addicts here. LOL
My sex addiction is under some control.
I don't monger in my home country any more.
I save it for places where the girls are fantastic or value for money exceptional and mainly while on hoildays or weekends in Germany.
I once did table-top clubs back home but realised too much money for not enough fun.
Trying the German FKK clubs convinced me that almost everything back home was poor quality. and so I was cured of mongering in my home country.
In Thailand can still get quality girls for a good price.
In general I like Air Asia, I have had 3 round trip flights with them and another coming soon. The problem is when I try to book online when it comes time to use my credit card it always tells me that the card has been declined. I call my cc company (Capital One card) to find out wtf and they say it should be no problem they are not declining it. I even tried a different card and a debit card with the same result. I call Air Asia and they say it has to be a card issued in Thailand. OK, well now I have to book with the agent and now I pay a lot more because the low fares on the website are only available if you book online. The fares with the agent are much higher! ARRRGG
The card won't work online but it works perfectly fine when the agent runs the card.
That was before, now I am trying to change a fight so I try to do it online. I am able to get to the screen to change the flight and when I submit it it says that the system is down. So now I have to change the flight with an agent which will cost me 1050B and an international phone call instead of 600B.
Has anybody had this problem with Air Asia? I can't help but think that maybe this is a scam to get more money out of us. Otherwise I like the airline.
[QUOTE=Southbound69]In general I like Air Asia, I have had 3 round trip flights with them and another coming soon. The problem is when I try to book online when it comes time to use my credit card it always tells me that the card has been declined. I call my cc company (Capital One card) to find out wtf and they say it should be no problem they are not declining it. I even tried a different card and a debit card with the same result. I call Air Asia and they say it has to be a card issued in Thailand. OK, well now I have to book with the agent and now I pay a lot more because the low fares on the website are only available if you book online. The fares with the agent are much higher! ARRRGG
The card won't work online but it works perfectly fine when the agent runs the card.
That was before, now I am trying to change a fight so I try to do it online. I am able to get to the screen to change the flight and when I submit it it says that the system is down. So now I have to change the flight with an agent which will cost me 1050B and an international phone call instead of 600B.
Has anybody had this problem with Air Asia? I can't help but think that maybe this is a scam to get more money out of us. Otherwise I like the airline.[/QUOTE]The card doesn't have to be issued in Asia. I've book many flights with them and never had a problem. Maybe it's which screen you are using to start from. I'm not sure.
[QUOTE=Southbound69]In general I like Air Asia,. I call Air Asia and they say it has to be a card issued in Thailand.
The card won't work online but it works perfectly fine when the agent runs the card.
Has anybody had this problem with Air Asia? I can't help but think that maybe this is a scam to get more money out of us. Otherwise I like the airline.[/QUOTE]
Not sure why you are having these issues but I have used AA three times over the past two years traveling from Bangkok to Chaing Mai and Phnom Penh and booked online with a U.S. based credit card. Never had an issue with them and they did not rip me off. I registered with the Air Asia site and the booking became easier the seond and third time. I don't think they have some universal policy of scamming customers via their credit cards.
Can some one give me an unbiased opinion of which is better Manila or Bangkok? Price wise which is cheaper? Which has the best looking? Any other comments or reccomendations. Which is easlier to travle in. I will be traveling April 1 thru 8th so I need to decide where I want to go soon.
Southbound69,
I've booked several flights on Air Asia the last few years and I do remember an instance when my credit card was declined. When I called customer service in Malaysia, they suggested I use another card. The second card was accepted so I then called the issuing company of the first card. I found out that there was a recent security flag against the card for a large number of foreign charges (I'd been booking flights and hotels for an upcoming trip) but unfortunately I hadn't received any notification of such. I think Air Asia's credit card processing picked up this anomaly and therefore declined the first card I had used to book the flight. This may not be your scenario but it wouldn't hurt to confirm this from your end.
Just saw this article on bug eating in my local online newspaper:
Thais eat more than 150 insects, including crickets, silk worms and dung beetles. Canned crickets are sold in supermarkets, and vendors selling bugs are a common sight in Bangkok.
[url]http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/02/24/bugs_0225.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Just saw this article on bug eating in my local online newspaper:
Thais eat more than 150 insects, including crickets, silk worms and dung beetles. Canned crickets are sold in supermarkets, and vendors selling bugs are a common sight in Bangkok.
[url]http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/02/24/bugs_0225.html[/url][/QUOTE]And that's news to you?
Have you been to Thailand Before?
Stephen Colbert interviews bug-eating scientist David Gracer:
[url]http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/index.jhtml?ml_video=156551[/url]
Sponsored by Nabisco Wheat Thins! Now we know the secret ingredient to that crunchy goodness.
[QUOTE=Southbound69]The problem is when I try to book online when it comes time to use my credit card it always tells me that the card has been declined. I call my cc company (Capital One card) to find out wtf and they say it should be no problem they are not declining it.[/QUOTE]
I have had problems booking Air Asia and Nok Air with some credit cards. I've also had problems on the ground in some parts of the world getting a card to work in a restaurant, etc.
Solution: Use a different card. I would not travel abroad with only one card.
In particular NEVER rely on American Express being accepted. That's a good way to go hungry and sleep in a bus station.
It would be great if customer service reps (for the airline, or for the credit card company) actually knew what they are talking about but in my experience they tend to just make shit up to get you off the phone.
I had a similar problem with Air Asia not accepting my credit card on their website last year. Just waited and booked at the airport when I arrived, credit card worked fine.
Cactus J
A lot of "online" processing companies have "blacklists" of IP addresses. If you are trying to use your credit card on line from a "blacklisted" IP address, the company that processes the on line transaction will not authorise it, the transaction will not even go so far as to be sent to your credit card company, it will fail the IP address check.
Therefore, it could be to do with where you are trying to buy on line from, and what ISP you are using.
Given you tried many cards and they all fail, it tends to suggest to me its your IP address from the ISP thats the problem.
[QUOTE=Southbound69] I call my cc company (Capital One card) to find out wtf and they say it should be no problem they are not declining it. I even tried a different card and a debit card with the same result. [/QUOTE]
as to eating bugs - "If it can't outrun them it's food".
BE CAREFUL with most of the bugs - it's been reported that they knock down a lot of them with insecticide and then gather them.
Japanese seem to be the customers for the large scorpions.
I've seen centipedes pickled in bottles of yeow ngern and then served up like tequila with the worm in the bottle (but you don't eat the bug I guess)
Bugs, snakes, exotic animals (there's a restaurant in Pattaya on 2nd road near Apex that sells a meal of ostrich, hippo and alligator <- those aren't too exotic, though)
[QUOTE=Southbound69]In general I like Air Asia, I have had 3 round trip flights with them and another coming soon. The problem is when I try to book online when it comes time to use my credit card it always tells me that the card has been declined. I call my cc company (Capital One card) to find out wtf and they say it should be no problem they are not declining it. I even tried a different card and a debit card with the same result. I call Air Asia and they say it has to be a card issued in Thailand. OK, well now I have to book with the agent and now I pay a lot more because the low fares on the website are only available if you book online. The fares with the agent are much higher! ARRRGG
The card won't work online but it works perfectly fine when the agent runs the card.
That was before, now I am trying to change a fight so I try to do it online. I am able to get to the screen to change the flight and when I submit it it says that the system is down. So now I have to change the flight with an agent which will cost me 1050B and an international phone call instead of 600B.
Has anybody had this problem with Air Asia? I can't help but think that maybe this is a scam to get more money out of us. Otherwise I like the airline.[/QUOTE]
I have heard other had a problem with Nok air I think it was but not air asia
[QUOTE=Dinghy]I've seen centipedes pickled in bottles of yeow ngern and then served up like tequila with the worm in the bottle (but you don't eat the bug I guess)
[/QUOTE]There is a mexican Spirit called MEZCAL, they put a worm in the bottle and tradition wants that the person who finishes the Bottle eats the Worm.
Some Mezcal also have scorpions in it.
Hey, thanks guys for all the suggestions on my Air Asia credit card problems. I now suspect that maybe it is an IP address issue that Easy2007 suggested since I did use different cards with the same result but works fine when the agent runs the card over the phone. Next time I will try booking with a different internet connection.
Southbound69
[QUOTE=W20415]Can some one give me an unbiased opinion of which is better Manila or Bangkok? Price wise which is cheaper? Which has the best looking? Any other comments or reccomendations. Which is easlier to travle in. I will be traveling April 1 thru 8th so I need to decide where I want to go soon.[/QUOTE]
Imho, Phils is more expensive. Barfine is much higher and side costs (Hotel, food, internet, supermarket is also more expensive)
Girls in Phils:
Average phil girls are less beauty than average thai girs. Thai girls are usually firmer and also taller.
Good looking phil girls are more beauty than good looking Thai girls. Sounds wired, but in other words. In Thailand you have a higher niveau, but the in the phils there are some stunner (mostly mixed blood) whose you find not so easy in Thailand.
ya know Nic, I knew that TEQUILA doesn't have the worm but I didn't think that "others" here would be quite as up on the Mexican firewater. BTW - if you are ever IN Tequila, take the Sauza tour and get to see how they make it (up close and personal - including the "tasting bar" at the end of the tour)
Most of the time I drink the "better" tequilas (reposado or antigue) and only occasionally drink the lesser stuff (even venturing into "aguardiente" at times - which is what I generally bring to Thailand)
Air asia and other low cost auirlines do not accept all the credit cards online.
You have register either mastercard secured or visa verified systems.
Not all banks participate in this program.
First check whether your card issuing bank is on their list.
Go to mastercard secured or visa verified website to check.
If your issuance bank is listed you can sign up. It is free.
After signing up you will have no problem booking online using those cards.
Apart from online booking your card will work anywhere else just fine even if you do not sign up.
The reason for starting this program is many people booked their flights using stolen credit cards. When the airline presented the transaction for payment the banks refused saying the charge is not authentic. Airlines lost lot of money.
Ok, sometimes I'm a little slow, but I just realized that in sometimes "oil massage" means "balls massage. " Is this always the case?
[QUOTE=Otimo]Ok, sometimes I'm a little slow, but I just realized that in sometimes "oil massage" means "balls massage. " Is this always the case?[/QUOTE] Not at all, oil massage means either a body massage using oil, or an all out brothel like Tulip, Angel, Teen or Euro etc. Balls massage is a specific massage concentrated on...yep...you guessed it...your balls, there is typically a small surcharge on the menu of places claiming to offer this service but invariably, Rin excluded, it is simply a lure to get you to part with more cash at the counter and not professionaly administered.
Guy's is it possible to have a short report on the prices in Thailand .
If the rates are different from city to city please include .
Thanks ,
John Jr
What is the best method of transportation to get from Bangkok to Pattaya?
My goal is to spend the first two days after arrival in Bangkok and then move over to Pattaya for 4-5 days before and then back again to the airport.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Bronx Prowler]What is the best method of transportation to get from Bangkok to Pattaya?....[/QUOTE]
By road :D
Best would be private limo with a couple of eden girls, next just a limo, next a taxi, and if on a p*ss poor budget get the bus.
I disagree that a taxi is better than the bus. I took the bus one way and a taxi the other way and the bus was much more comfortable. More leg and head room, better AC. It is safer, better from an environmental standpoint, and you see much more since you are higher up (not that there is all that much to see). That's regardless of cost.
[QUOTE=Bronx Prowler]What is the best method of transportation to get from Bangkok to Pattaya?
My goal is to spend the first two days after arrival in Bangkok and then move over to Pattaya for 4-5 days before and then back again to the airport.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]If staying near Nana, take the Metro one stop to Ekamai Station exit. Walk one block to the Ekamai Bus Station. 120 Baht to Pattaya Bus station. Nice bus with AC. About a 2 hour ride.
Just to add to problems of booking online, I read on another forum that your IP address must be from the country that issued the credit card. That means booking from inside Thailand with foreign credit card is not possible. This was for NokAir I think, might not be for other airlines/online sites..... (could also be still credit card specific of course).
I have credit cards issued in the USA, and have booked online with Air Asia while in Indonesia.
Never had a problem.
To all of you experienced mongers,
I'm new to the scene in Thailand, and looking to take my first trip soon. I have a few questions, and I hope you have a few answers. My thanks in advance, and I'll try to keep it quick.
1. I speak NO Thai, how big of a problem is that?
2. I speak a ton of Japanese, is that going to help?
3. If I'm f***ed on the language barrier, are guided tours just scams, or are there a few jewels out there that are either reasonably price or worth the money?
4. For a first-timer in Thailand, what is the best city to hit up (if I can only make one)?
5. If I can make two cities?
Thanks again to anyone who can help mw out with this.
Anonmyous
[QUOTE=Anonmyous]1. I speak NO Thai, how big of a problem is that?[/QUOTE] no probem at all, basic English is widely understood.
[QUOTE=Anonmyous]2. I speak a ton of Japanese, is that going to help??[/QUOTE] Are you serious ? What on earth makes you think it might help you in Thailand ?
[QUOTE=Anonmyous]3. If I'm f***ed on the language barrier, are guided tours just scams, or are there a few jewels out there that are either reasonably price or worth the money? [/QUOTE] see answer to point 1
[QUOTE=Anonmyous]4. For a first-timer in Thailand, what is the best city to hit up (if I can only make one)? [/QUOTE] are you coming solely for pussy ? Pattaya or Bangkok will suffice
[QUOTE=Anonmyous]5. If I can make two cities?[/QUOTE] see answer to point 4
Meaty,
Thanks. I'm going mainly for pussy, but wouldn't mind having a few other experiences as well. If you've got time, I have a few more questions.
1. For pussy, which do you think is better: Bangkok, or Pattaya?
2. If I'm interested in seeing some other stuff on the side?
Thanks a bunch.
- Anon
[QUOTE=Anonmyous]Meaty,
Thanks. I'm going mainly for pussy, but wouldn't mind having a few other experiences as well. If you've got time, I have a few more questions.
1. For pussy, which do you think is better: Bangkok, or Pattaya?
2. If I'm interested in seeing some other stuff on the side?
Thanks a bunch.
- Anon[/QUOTE]1. That depends on you. I like Bangkok better. But I am not as price sensitive as others.
2. Definately Bangkok. Much more to do in and around Bangkok than in and around Pattaya.
I am traveling to Thailand next week. Will spend a week in Bangkok, close to a week in Koh Chang and 2 days in Pattaya. But these are just my choices.
[QUOTE=Anonmyous]To all of you experienced mongers,
I'm new to the scene in Thailand ...
1. I speak NO Thai, how big of a problem is that?[/QUOTE]
While I agree somewhat with what Meaty said, "widely spoken" is pushing it. Many speak basic english and enough to point you in the right direction, but it is a 2nd language for them. Don't expect much conversation other than "where you from", "You holiday?", "You sex now?", etc. You will find some that break the mold, so they are gems when you find them. But you can get by just fine with just English. In this regard, though, the Phillipines is better.
[QUOTE]2. I speak a ton of Japanese, is that going to help?[/QUOTE]Yes, some. I actually find some girls in Nana and obviously the J-Bars that speak much better Japanese than they do english. It may help, if you choose those venues. You can also mix English and Japanese with those girls, to hold a decent and fun conversation (yeah, I know some are saying "conversation! WTF"). You need to be Japanese or Chinese\Korean (w/Japanese language skills) to get into many of the J-Bars.
[QUOTE]3. If I'm f***ed on the language barrier, are guided tours just scams, or are there a few jewels out there that are either reasonably price or worth the money?[/QUOTE]
Do your homework and learn where the cool places are. The girls can be your company, but they only know the bar circuit and are not generally very good guides. There are some legitimate tours, but BKK is not very hard to navigate. You get more done on your own.
[QUOTE]4. For a first-timer in Thailand, what is the best city to hit up (if I can only make one)?[/QUOTE]
I would say Bangkok and Pattaya 2nd. I'm not a big Pattaya guy, and find Bangkok much better if you want a great overall experience (girls, but also live music, touristy things, good restaurants, etc.). There are other great cities in Thailand, but it's your first visit, and based on your line of questions I would suggest Bangkok. Pattaya is cheaper, though.
Have fun,
AT2
I arrived in BKK last night at midnight. Of course all of the taxi stands want 900 baht to go to the Nana. I went to the fourth floor. Outside and across the first driveway to where the taxis had already dropped off their fares.
Well, by the meter I paid 150 baht to go to the Nana + 2 tolls for 65 baht (25 + 40). The taxi fare would have been a little less but the driver had to pass soi 4 and go all the way up around soi 20 something to make the u-turn to get back to soi 4.
Right now I am in the process of looking for a van to go to Pattaya tonight. I have more friends coming in at BKK tonight. The lowest price I am able to get has been 2500. Not bad split 7 ways for a van. Last time me and 1 wingman paid a taxi 900 baht from Nana to Pattaya.
Sorry for the off topic question, but does anyone know if IBM laptop batteries are available at Pantip plaza?
Feel free to PM response, rather than clutttering things up hrere.
thank you very much.
I find fortune better (plus easier to get to, u can take the mrt) for things like batteries when i was looking for my USA market Toshiba battery replacement.
[QUOTE=1Ball]Sorry for the off topic question, but does anyone know if IBM laptop batteries are available at Pantip plaza?
Feel free to PM response, rather than clutttering things up hrere.
thank you very much.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=1Ball]Sorry for the off topic question, but does anyone know if IBM laptop batteries are available at Pantip plaza?
Feel free to PM response, rather than clutttering things up hrere.
thank you very much.[/QUOTE]
I would be astonished if they weren't available in the shops at the back of the plaza. Quality and newness are 'buyer beware' of course.
[QUOTE=1Ball]Sorry for the off topic question, but does anyone know if IBM laptop batteries are available at Pantip plaza?
Feel free to PM response, rather than clutttering things up hrere.
thank you very much.[/QUOTE]
I would have thought the "General Thread" was the place for any question lacking a specific thread and including even non-mongering topics.
So no apology needed! :)
Now not referring to 1Ball here, but making a general observation:
PMs are best for secrets or things relating to personal business, particularly personal contact information.
But I think PMs are overused as often the question and answer can be of interest to others on the Forum.
PM Questions to me sometimes make me wonder why the entire forum couldn't be asked the exact same question, as the forum will know the answer better than me, and I don't always have time to respond immediately. Are members getting scared to be told to RTFF?
[QUOTE=1Ball]Sorry for the off topic question, but does anyone know if IBM laptop batteries are available at Pantip plaza?
Feel free to PM response, rather than clutttering things up hrere.
thank you very much.[/QUOTE]
One of the guys I work with needed a Thinkpad battery on one of my trips and we found one in Pantip, but the price was outrageous compared to what we could get it for in the US so he passed. The problem was that it was probably a real Thinkpad battery. Like everything else there you have to double check to see if you are buying the real thing or a fake. Real things are not always so good a price.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I would have thought the "General Thread" was the place for any question lacking a specific thread and including even non-mongering topics.
So no apology needed! :)
Now not referring to 1Ball here, but making a general observation:
PMs are best for secrets or things relating to personal business, particularly personal contact information.
But I think PMs are overused as often the question and answer can be of interest to others on the Forum.
PM Questions to me sometimes make me wonder why the entire forum couldn't be asked the exact same question, as the forum will know the answer better than me, and I don't always have time to respond immediately. Are members getting scared to be told to RTFF?[/QUOTE]
I agree the general thread should be for non mongering questions. However, it sometimes gets misused, hence my apology.
I think some do feel they might be hit up with a RTFF. I also think a long time member has a better chance of getting a response versus a RTFF, than a new member. I mean, if someone with 3 posts asked this, he probably would not get a response. Or he would get blasted.
So, my thanks to all who have responded, in the thread, and by PM. Thor, good point, I have sometimes found prices in LOS are higher than other countries.
LOS can be addicitive ;), but this is desperately friggin stupid, shame on you fool :o
[b][i]Expelled Frenchman arrested for trying to sneak into Thailand[/b]
A Frenchman was arrested yesterday in Sa Kaew's Aranyaprathet district while trying to breach through a border fence between Thailand and Cambodia.
Checking immigration records, police later found that Levy Gilbert Gille, 55, had been expelled from Thailand for his theft conviction and overstaying Thai visa in April 2006. Gille, a certified assistant engineer, was sentenced to a suspended one-year prison term for stealing and overstaying Thai visa in Pattaya by the Chon Buri court, which ordered his expulsion.
Gille has been charged with illegal entry and violating expulsion order and is now in custody of Khong Luek police.
[b]The Nation[/b][/i]
[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/read.php?newsid=30067746[/url]
[QUOTE=Meaty]LOS can be addicitive ;), but this is desperately friggin stupid, shame on you fool :o
Gille has been charged with illegal entry and violating expulsion order and is now in custody of Khong Luek police.
[b]The Nation[/b][/i]
[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/read.php?newsid=30067746[/url][/QUOTE]Well he wanted Sex in Thailand didn't he? he will get plenty of that in a Thai Prison, though his asshole might bleed a little LOL.
[QUOTE=1Ball]I agree the general thread should be for non mongering questions. However, it sometimes gets misused, hence my apology.
I think some do feel they might be hit up with a RTFF. I also think a long time member has a better chance of getting a response versus a RTFF, than a new member. I mean, if someone with 3 posts asked this, he probably would not get a response. Or he would get blasted.
So, my thanks to all who have responded, in the thread, and by PM. Thor, good point, I have sometimes found prices in LOS are higher than other countries.[/QUOTE]
So when I get a PM question that is not really personal, I should reply ATFF, "Ask the fucking forum", or if I am in a good mood, just ignore it. :)
The big news story in the USA recently is a sex scandal involving NY governor Elliott Spitzer,a former star federal prosecutor, who was caught by the feds in a high priced prostitution sting operation. He made himself famous by prosecuting several similar operations and sending the hapless participants to jail.
The word ‘hypocrisy’ is hardly adequate to describe this man’s personality. Last word is that 70% of his constituents what him to resign or be impeached. His wife and kids are mortified. His political career is shattered. He is the object of derision and ridicule on late night TV. He might well be charged with serious crimes. No one likes him anymore. People are angry.
On top of all that, it appears that the fool paid upwards of $5,000 USD for just one pop. Well … I don’t give a damn about his mongering proclivity. I don’t care if he loves the ladies. I won’t even quarrel with his desire to pay for sex.
What pisses me off about this idiot is that he paid too much.
Regards,
Daddy
[QUOTE=Daddy07]What pisses me off about this idiot is that he paid too much.[/QUOTE]He wanted bareback. It costs more in DC!
What does a guy like this say to his wife? "Sorry?"
[QUOTE=Daddy07]The big news story in the USA recently is a sex scandal involving NY governor Elliott Spitzer,a former star federal prosecutor, who was caught by the feds in a high priced prostitution sting operation. He made himself famous by prosecuting several similar operations and sending the hapless participants to jail.
The word ‘hypocrisy’ is hardly adequate to describe this man’s personality. Last word is that 70% of his constituents what him to resign or be impeached. His wife and kids are mortified. His political career is shattered. He is the object of derision and ridicule on late night TV. He might well be charged with serious crimes. No one likes him anymore. People are angry.
On top of all that, it appears that the fool paid upwards of $5,000 USD for just one pop. Well … I don’t give a damn about his mongering proclivity. I don’t care if he loves the ladies. I won’t even quarrel with his desire to pay for sex.
What pisses me off about this idiot is that he paid too much.
Regards,
Daddy[/QUOTE]
But what is really bad here in the US now is the rhetoric being used to describe any man that uses a prostitute. The media is in a feeding frenzy and spewing forth venom that is designed to get women ready to castrate any man that gets caught paying for sex. Basically those of us who frequent this forum would be considered among the lowest of the low in society. We are debasing these poor women and deserve only contempt.
Basically now would not be a good time for any US guy to get caught by his wife playing around. If she listens to any of this crap, she will be in a very unforgiving mood.
It would be interesting to hear the reaction of a Thai hooker when she finds out that some guy in the US paid US$5000 for short time. I doubt if she would think she was the victim under those circumstances.
What does this have to do in the Bangkok Section?
Is the USA Forum closed?
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]What does this have to do in the Bangkok Section?
Is the USA Forum closed?[/QUOTE]
Nic,
This is not the Bangkok Section. This is the General Reports Section.
I cited it only as an example of how some mongers pay too much for sex. I think it is applicable to Thailand, the USA, or anywhere else in the world.
To close the subject here, and for those who might be interested in prices, I went to Fortune today, on Ratchada. I found a IBM OEM thinkpad battery for my computer, price 165 US$. I can buy the same online, and have it delivered for under 80$. I am going to be ordering it this week.
Prices are not always better in Asia.
[QUOTE=1Ball]To close the subject here, and for those who might be interested in prices, I went to Fortune today, on Ratchada. I found a IBM OEM thinkpad battery for my computer, price 165 US$. I can buy the same online, and have it delivered for under 80$. I am going to be ordering it this week.
Prices are not always better in Asia.[/QUOTE]
Actually most material consumer goods are almost always cheapest in the US regardless of where it is made. I can buy a German car much cheaper in the US then I can in Germany. Swiss chocalate is cheaper in COSTCO than anywhere in Switzerland. I shopped for a Japanese camera in Japan and found that the shops in Tokyo could not come close to what I could buy it for in the US. Real ADDIDAS or NIKE sportswear, is usually cheaper in the US than even Thailand. And when it goes on sale in the US there is no comparison.
Sex unfortunately is the one great exception. The cheapest Thai working girl transplanted to the US still commands what would be a stratospheric price in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Thor93]Actually most material consumer goods are almost always cheapest in the US regardless of where it is made. I can buy a German car much cheaper in the US then I can in Germany. Swiss chocalate is cheaper in COSTCO than anywhere in Switzerland. I shopped for a Japanese camera in Japan and found that the shops in Tokyo could not come close to what I could buy it for in the US. Real ADDIDAS or NIKE sportswear, is usually cheaper in the US than even Thailand. And when it goes on sale in the US there is no comparison.
Sex unfortunately is the one great exception. The cheapest Thai working girl transplanted to the US still commands what would be a stratospheric price in Thailand.[/QUOTE]
My experience is that most stuff costs less in Hong Kong and in Vietnam than in the U.S.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]My experience is that most stuff costs less in Hong Kong and in Vietnam than in the U.S.[/QUOTE]
I have priced a lot of electronic goods in Hong Kong and almost always found that it was cheaper in the US. A couple of trips ago I priced a Panasonic FX series camera that I had bought for the TGF. I could not find any shop that could beat the US price of the same camera in COSTCO in the US.
During my last trip I wandered through a couple of the ADDIDAS and NIKE shops in Kowloon and basically they were selling everything at the same undiscounted price as I could get it in the US. Bangkok was the same story. The difference was that there are a lot more sales and discount places you can go in the US to find the same stuff.
My TGF has been after me to buy her a plasma TV, but when I look at the prices in Bangkok compared to the US, I can't bring myself to pay that much more. I think the difference is that the competition in the US is just so much more. You just don't have that many different places to go buy those kinds of goods in Bangkok.
I suppose over time the "big box" stores will also proliferate in Bangkok and the rest of the world.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]My experience is that most stuff costs less in Hong Kong and in Vietnam than in the U.S.[/QUOTE]
I humbly disagree, unless you're talking about something like expensive high end watches or low end electronic accessories. Most regular product, electronics and camera included can be gotten on-line stateside.
[quote=traveler1234]i humbly disagree, unless you're talking about something like expensive high end watches or low end electronic accessories. most regular product, electronics and camera included can be gotten on-line stateside.[/quote]
guys your right, prices for most consumer goods are cheaper in the us.
why? because of the failing dollar. most americans have no idea what the environment is really like outside of the safe fold. the us has thrown perfect propaganda out for years, but when you fly into lax or jfk and see what those airports look like compared to thailand, hong kong etc, you will be shocked at the state of the states. the us infrastructure is crumbling and the rest of the world is now coming to the states for oursourceing. the corporate greed and politicians behind them are not concerned about the us people or the country. only [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url]!!
the only reason things are cheap is the states for now, is that the population would revolt if they really understood what their dollar is worth in the open market. ignorance is bliss though, and walmart is the haven for it.
oh
cheers
mates
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]I humbly disagree, unless you're talking about something like expensive high end watches or low end electronic accessories. Most regular product, electronics and camera included can be gotten on-line stateside.[/QUOTE]
I was talking about high end stuff. Also high quality fakes are cheaper in HK and Vietnam than in the U.S. For example, I can get high quality fake mechanical Patek Philippe or comparable watches for $30 or less in HK or Vietnam, whereas the cheapest that the same fakes can be gotten in the U.S. is off the internet for prices of around $150 or so.
Camera gear is the exception, where the U.S. prices are definitely the lowest in the world. 10 years ago, Hong Kong was cheaper, but not anymore.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]I was talking about high end stuff. Also high quality fakes are cheaper in HK and Vietnam than in the U.S. For example, I can get high quality fake mechanical Patek Philippe or comparable watches for $30 or less in HK or Vietnam, whereas the cheapest that the same fakes can be gotten in the U.S. is off the internet for prices of around $150 or so.
Camera gear is the exception, where the U.S. prices are definitely the lowest in the world. 10 years ago, Hong Kong was cheaper, but not anymore.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you on the fake or bootlegged stuff. No better place than Thailand or China. I prefer to deal with the guys in Thailand over China though for fake watches or bootleg movies. I use the same girl at Pantip plaza for my movies and she warns me which movies aren't good quality. I have a watch guy down in Patpong who is only out during the day and he also warns me which watches are best and which to avoid.
I have never been able to find any similar "honest" sellers like that in China. But then I do spend a lot more time in Thailand than China.
[QUOTE=Thor93]I agree with you on the fake or bootlegged stuff. No better place than Thailand or China. I prefer to deal with the guys in Thailand over China though for fake watches or bootleg movies. I use the same girl at Pantip plaza for my movies and she warns me which movies aren't good quality. I have a watch guy down in Patpong who is only out during the day and he also warns me which watches are best and which to avoid.
I have never been able to find any similar "honest" sellers like that in China. But then I do spend a lot more time in Thailand than China.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I think that Ho Chi Minh City is the best of all for the high quality fakes - prices similar to China, but vendors looking for longer term business, similar to Thailand.
[QUOTE=Thor93]I agree with you on the fake or bootlegged stuff. No better place than Thailand or China. I prefer to deal with the guys in Thailand over China though for fake watches or bootleg movies. I use the same girl at Pantip plaza for my movies and she warns me which movies aren't good quality. I have a watch guy down in Patpong who is only out during the day and he also warns me which watches are best and which to avoid.
I have never been able to find any similar "honest" sellers like that in China. But then I do spend a lot more time in Thailand than China.[/QUOTE]Care to share who your guy is in PP? I'd like to pick up a few watches before I head home.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Actually, I think that Ho Chi Minh City is the best of all for the high quality fakes - prices similar to China, but vendors looking for longer term business, similar to Thailand.[/QUOTE]
Didn't realize you were talking about high end fakes :)
Shenzhen for watches - according to my son.
I land in HCMC in 24 hours, will see what's being sold and report back!
[QUOTE=Thor93]I agree with you on the fake or bootlegged stuff. No better place than Thailand or China. I prefer to deal with the guys in Thailand over China though for fake watches or bootleg movies. I use the same girl at Pantip plaza for my movies and she warns me which movies aren't good quality. I have a watch guy down in Patpong who is only out during the day and he also warns me which watches are best and which to avoid. [/QUOTE]
My watch guy is in the Nana area. I always give him 1200 Baht for the best supercopies on the market. Sometimes he tries to jack the price up on me like he did yesterday when I returned to buy two more. He gave me a price of 3600. I reminded him that I always give him 1200 each and that I had just bought 3 for 3600 a few days ago while his brother was manning the store. I told him that I am going to have to start bringing my receipts to remind him. There is never a problem returning for exchange or repair and I always use my credit card.
DVDs are another matter. I have found it best to get them on the other side of the globe in Lima, Peru for $1 each, case included.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]My watch guy is in the Nana area. I always give him 1200 Baht for the best supercopies on the market. Sometimes he tries to jack the price up on me like he did yesterday when I returned to buy two more. He gave me a price of 3600. I reminded him that I always give him 1200 each and that I had just bought 3 for 3600 a few days ago while his brother was manning the store. I told him that I am going to have to start bringing my receipts to remind him. There is never a problem returning for exchange or repair and I always use my credit card.
DVDs are another matter. I have found it best to get them on the other side of the globe in Lima, Peru for $1 each, case included.[/QUOTE]
Can we keep this site clear of shopping gossip, I personally can speak to the wife regarding this!!!
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]My watch guy is in the Nana area. I always give him 1200 Baht for the best supercopies on the market. Sometimes he tries to jack the price up on me like he did yesterday when I returned to buy two more. He gave me a price of 3600. I reminded him that I always give him 1200 each and that I had just bought 3 for 3600 a few days ago while his brother was manning the store. I told him that I am going to have to start bringing my receipts to remind him. There is never a problem returning for exchange or repair and I always use my credit card.
DVDs are another matter. I have found it best to get them on the other side of the globe in Lima, Peru for $1 each, case included.[/QUOTE]
The fakes I was looking for were not available in the Nana area - only Patpong. I'm talking about thin, mechanical high quality copies of brands like Patek Philippe, Jaeger LeCoultre, Breuget, and Vacheron Constantin - not the widely available stuff like big clunky fake Rolexes, Omegas and Brietlings and the like, or quartz copies.
Here are examples of the caliber of fake I'm talking about - I actually got these three watches for $80 TOTAL for the 3 in the central marketplace of Ho Chi Minh City, negotiated down from an asking price of $80 EACH - note the thinness and the beautiful, completely mechanical movements:
[url]http://www.replicahause.com/patek-philippe-grand-complications-replica-watch-p-1651.html?osCsid=389a0e20293c4e9540cb440ac2cbcab2[/url]
[url]http://www.hotreplica.com/product_info.php?cPath=6&products_id=3957&prname=Breguet_Classique_Manual_Winding_replica_[/url]
[url]http://www.hotreplica.com/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=2626&prname=Jaeger_Le_Coultre_Master_Reveil_Small_Hours_Hand_replica[/url]
This similar quality fake Vacheron Constantin set me back 1600 baht in Patpong, negotiated down from 4500:
[url]http://www.replicahause.com/vacheron-constantin-minute-repeater-replica-watch-p-1654.html?osCsid=389a0e20293c4e9540cb440ac2cbcab2[/url]
I'm quite sure that 1600 baht was the best price on this caliber of fake in Patpong, as several vendors let me walk at 1500 before they took 1600. So that's still substantially higher than the same quality fakes sold for in Ho Chi Minh City ($27 vs $48). In China, the same fakes could be had for $25 to $30 as well.
What is with the extended home shopping network banter. This is an APB-
PLEASE put up some photos of: babes, prices, locations hours. performance, etc.
Hummer Bird, this is the General Information thread. You will find plenty of Pussy information in the sections on Bangkok, Pattaya, and any other Thai locale threads that you search.
[QUOTE=Thor93] I use the same girl at Pantip plaza for my movies and she warns me which movies aren't good quality. [/QUOTE]
Me too. I buy from "Bow" at KB Video on the ground floor next to escalator coming down. They are very fair, will replace movies, and tell which are the master quality, since I am a regular customer and buy a lot of movies. They only stock shoddy new movies because the competition places have latest movies filmed off the Cinema screen. But KB don't sell any crap to me, and will replace anything I am not happy with.
Hullo,
This may be a question to BKK residents.
I am planning for a trip to BKK in mid April. I understand between 12 and 15 April is Songkrun.
Among other things, I want to buy a pair of glasses. Are shops open? Are opticians / optometrist working during this peiod?
TIA
WUERZBURG, Germany -
Brother Niklaus, a 49-year-old Benedictine monk was arrested in Germany for stealing erotic movies from a sex shop. He was regularly sent to town by the abbey on church business.
He was only caught when an assistant at a sex-shop in Wuerzburg -- 150 miles from the abbey -- spotted him trying to hide a selection of movies under his habit.
After the assistant spotted the miscreant monk, he chased him through the streets of Wuerzburg, during which time Brother Niklaus tried to dump the stolen films in a trash bin. Police later discovered he had stashed almost 40 erotic movies in his cell at the abbey.
Among the films he was stealing when he was caught were "Ladyboys do Bangkok" and "Nuns in Heat".
Need More Gas,
Yes and Yes!
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Need More Gas,
Yes and Yes![/QUOTE]Thanks LBM.
Now I can go ahead and book flights etc.
[QUOTE=Duniawala]WUERZBURG, Germany -
Brother Niklaus, a 49-year-old Benedictine monk was arrested in Germany for stealing erotic movies from a sex shop. He was regularly sent to town by the abbey on church business.
He was only caught when an assistant at a sex-shop in Wuerzburg -- 150 miles from the abbey -- spotted him trying to hide a selection of movies under his habit.
After the assistant spotted the miscreant monk, he chased him through the streets of Wuerzburg, during which time Brother Niklaus tried to dump the stolen films in a trash bin. Police later discovered he had stashed almost 40 erotic movies in his cell at the abbey.
Among the films he was stealing when he was caught were "Ladyboys do Bangkok" and "Nuns in Heat".[/QUOTE]
Sexual repression = bad acts
I have managed to squeeze in a short 1 night stop over in BKK during my upcoming trip this weekend.
Can anyone suggest the best way to get the maximum mileage in 1 day in BKK, i've been to LOS a few times before but never on such a short trip so i guess wont be able to head off to Pattaya.
1:- Need suggestion's on a decent hotel where i can find some girls as soon as i land , thts about 1400 Hrs.
2:- A good MP , preferably in or near the hotel.
3:- I'm super horny mood after my recent Dubai trip , can anyone suggest best place to pickup girls fast...Guess Nana would be the best option but i would'nt mind exploring another destination this time round.
4:- Is getting escorts worthwhile? Any suggestions on some hot escorts around?
Thanks in advance pals
[QUOTE=SesameKing]I have managed to squeeze in a short 1 night stop over in BKK during my upcoming trip this weekend.
Can anyone suggest the best way to get the maximum mileage in 1 day in BKK, i've been to LOS a few times before but never on such a short trip so i guess wont be able to head off to Pattaya.
1:- Need suggestion's on a decent hotel where i can find some girls as soon as i land , thts about 1400 Hrs.
2:- A good MP , preferably in or near the hotel.
3:- I'm super horny mood after my recent Dubai trip , can anyone suggest best place to pickup girls fast...Guess Nana would be the best option but i would'nt mind exploring another destination this time round.
4:- Is getting escorts worthwhile? Any suggestions on some hot escorts around?
Thanks in advance pals[/QUOTE]
Majestic Suites....or Grande or Dynasty depending on budget......right out to Eden or Annies....or grab the rail to Rachada.
[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]Majestic Suites....or Grande or Dynasty depending on budget......right out to Eden or Annies....or grab the rail to Rachada.[/QUOTE]
Thanks mate...
[QUOTE=SesameKing]1:- Need suggestion's on a decent hotel where i can find some girls as soon as i land , thts about 1400 Hrs.[/quote]Nana Hotel or Majestic Suites
[quote]2:- A good MP , preferably in or near the hotel.[/quote]Annies
[quote]3:- I'm super horny mood after my recent Dubai trip , can anyone suggest best place to pickup girls fast...Guess Nana would be the best option but i would'nt mind exploring another destination this time round.[/quote]
Nana Parking Lot, BG7, Sukhumvit Road Freelancers, M2N Bar
[quote]4:- Is getting escorts worthwhile? Any suggestions on some hot escorts around?[/quote]No. Unless you value your privacy?
Escorts will cost you an average of 5,000 ST up to 10,000ST for Stunners. Not worth the money.
Need a good spa for girl and guy to go and get a scrub and facial work etc... GF wants to do an afternoon type thing getting pampered and such and wants to drag my ugly butt along with her. Staying at Soi 8 but can go anywhere in town. Any guys send their wives off to a good place. PM me or post either way. Did RTFF some but am not seeing what I am looking for.
Definitely she does not want a Thai massage.. more of a spa type thing then anything else.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Need a good spa for girl and guy to go and get a scrub and facial work etc... GF wants to do an afternoon type thing getting pampered and such and wants to drag my ugly butt along with her. Staying at Soi 8 [/QUOTE]TV,
I believe "The King & I" at the beginning of Soi 12 is a Great and Legit Spa.
Tansak, what kind of a "facial" are you really looking for?
;)
[QUOTE=1Ball]Tansak, what kind of a "facial" are you really looking for?
;)[/QUOTE]
I give facials and massage so receiving is not my style... I leave that to you, you are my guide and teacher oh brother of mine. Too bad you skipped out, I was hoping for an excuse to go back to beer garden, I guess telling her it's a good restaurant will have to do.
Thanks Nic... See U Friday??
[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]Sexual repression = bad acts[/QUOTE]
Do not ever come to the USA!
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Need a good spa for girl and guy to go and get a scrub and facial work etc... GF wants to do an afternoon type thing getting pampered and such and wants to drag my ugly butt along with her. Staying at Soi 8 but can go anywhere in town. Any guys send their wives off to a good place. PM me or post either way. Did RTFF some but am not seeing what I am looking for.
Definitely she does not want a Thai massage.. more of a spa type thing then anything else.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.healthlandspa.com/spamenu.html[/url]
This is the place you want. You will see mostly Thai's with BMW/Mercedes outside.....a nice professional place...and I have been there many times.
[QUOTE=Hummer Bird]Do not ever come to the USA![/QUOTE]
I have been to the US many times and went to school there for years. The prostitution scene is repressed, but if you can socialize with the right people, there can be a very good sex scene found in larger cities. The "easy sex" availabilty where no play is required to get the girls is absoloutely horrible....and the place can be no fun if you don't plan right. Also, the cost of moving a relationship from "dating" to great sex can be very expensive as far as time and money go. I do agree that the USA can be one of the toughest places to operate. I hold my head up with pride in that I have never had p4p sex in the USA.....not for moral reasons.......but what a fuck ing hassle!!
Hi all,
This is a post of mine from the Melbourne, Australia forum. Thought you guys could add some input. Cheers.
I've came upon an interesting scenario and would like some feedback and thoughts on the issue.
I have been visiting a Thai working girl multiple times now and its now at the point where I'm seeing her 'outside of the shop' as she says, as in dating with no money changing hands. I have spent some nights with her at my place and at hers once while in Bangkok. I actually like this girl and would like for something to happen.
She is here as a student, which she does during the day, but essentially here illegally as her student visa doesn't allow her to work anywhere, let alone a brothel.
Anyway, recently she has been dropping hints that she wants to stay permantly in Australia, yada, yada, yada and I'm like, ok here we go. Having visited Thailand 10 times in the past 6 years I know enough to know that you can't trust 99% of Thai girls when it comes to genuine relationships and the like.
Then, she said something that stopped me in my tracks. SHE will pay ME $20000 if I marry her. Whats going on here? Apart from being illegal (de-frauding the government in some way) I have never heard of this arrangement taking place. Usually its the guy fighting through the red tape and costs to secure the girl a visa......isn't it?
The funny thing is, I would consider doing it for nothing since I liike her, but I have this vison of her doing the runner after its all said and done.
Anyway, thought it was interesting and worth a post. Have also posted it in the Thai forum for responses.
Take care everyone.
[QUOTE=Sainter21]. I have been visiting a Thai working girl [in Australia] multiple times now and its now at the point where I'm seeing her 'outside of the shop' as she says, as in dating with no money changing hands. I have spent some nights with her at my place and at hers once while in Bangkok. I actually like this girl and would like for something to happen.
She is here as a student, which she does during the day, but essentially here illegally as her student visa doesn't allow her to work anywhere, let alone a brothel.
Anyway, recently she has been dropping hints that she wants to stay permantly in Australia, yada, yada, yada and I'm like, ok here we go. Having visited Thailand 10 times in the past 6 years I know enough to know that you can't trust 99% of Thai girls when it comes to genuine relationships and the like.
Then, she said something that stopped me in my tracks. SHE will pay ME $20000 if I marry her. Whats going on here? Apart from being illegal (de-frauding the government in some way) I have never heard of this arrangement taking place. Usually its the guy fighting through the red tape and costs to secure the girl a visa. Isn't it?
The funny thing is, I would consider doing it for nothing since I liike her, but I have this vison of her doing the runner after its all said and done. [/QUOTE]Hi Sainter,
Last year I spent about 12 months in a similar setup with a TG working in London (increasingly small payments, and then free for some time). Eventually though I began to get hints at her family needing money and (having been a member of ISG for a while) immediately realised what was probably going on. She suggested we go into business together and pay to bring a couple of TGs over to the UK, with them working to pay off their loans the same way she was (which I thought was traffiking? Only I'd not realised it can be done without the associated. And despicable. Violence and criminality). Anyway, it's still wrong and not something I would entertain. I had a long holiday coming up, and with no interest on my part our relationship sort of fizzled out. That was about 6 months ago. I still have feelings for her (I just recently found out she's still working here) but I know in my head it would be a bad idea to get involved again, and just hope my groin doesn't make me do something stupid in the coming days.
I can't imagine what convoluted scheme your girlfriend has in mind to 'pay' you $20, 000, but I am ABSOLUTELY 100% SURE that you won't be $20, 000 richer at the end of it. The inevitable broken heart won't sweeten the deal either.
I don't like to assume the worst of anybody. Particularly not an entire section of society. But I cannot ignore the overwhelming and constant advice against getting too deeply involved with Thai girls. I don't even believe their intentions are always malicious, I think they simply don't have a moral problem with manipulating generous foreigners.
I hate to side against your GF who is probably a sweet and wonderful person, but I can't help remembering the often-quoted fable of the Scorpion and the Fox. (If you'll indulge me.)
A scorpion was wandering along the bank of the river, wondering how to get to the other side. Suddenly he saw a fox. He asked the fox to take him across the river.
The fox said, "No. If I do that, you'll sting me and I'll drown. "
The scorpion assured him, "If I did that, we'd both drown. "
The fox thought about it and finally agreed. So the scorpion climbed up on his back and the fox began to swim. But halfway across the river, the scorpion stung him.
As the poison filled his veins, the fox turned to the scorpion and said, "Why did you do that? Now you'll drown too. "
"I couldn't help it, " said the scorpion. "It's my nature. "
Good luck with your predicament.
[QUOTE=Sainter21]Hi all,
This is a post of mine from the Melbourne, Australia forum. Thought you guys could add some input. Cheers.
I've came upon an interesting scenario and would like some feedback and thoughts on the issue.
I have been visiting a Thai working girl multiple times now and its now at the point where I'm seeing her 'outside of the shop' as she says, as in dating with no money changing hands. I have spent some nights with her at my place and at hers once while in Bangkok. I actually like this girl and would like for something to happen.
She is here as a student, which she does during the day, but essentially here illegally as her student visa doesn't allow her to work anywhere, let alone a brothel.
Anyway, recently she has been dropping hints that she wants to stay permantly in Australia, yada, yada, yada and I'm like, ok here we go. Having visited Thailand 10 times in the past 6 years I know enough to know that you can't trust 99% of Thai girls when it comes to genuine relationships and the like.
Then, she said something that stopped me in my tracks. SHE will pay ME $20000 if I marry her. Whats going on here? Apart from being illegal (de-frauding the government in some way) I have never heard of this arrangement taking place. Usually its the guy fighting through the red tape and costs to secure the girl a visa......isn't it?
The funny thing is, I would consider doing it for nothing since I liike her, but I have this vison of her doing the runner after its all said and done.
Anyway, thought it was interesting and worth a post. Have also posted it in the Thai forum for responses.
Take care everyone.[/QUOTE]
Please, please....take the cash if you can supply the papers she needs....then get some sort of annulment after she does the runner. It would be the first time a guy on these boards made some money off one of these scheme merchants.
I've recently started taking Thai lessons and my instructor lives near Phrom Pong station. Usually before class I head into the food court at Emporium and review my upcoming lesson.
Is has occurred to me that this might be far more fun in the company of a few Thai ladies. I have noticed that when ever I take out my workbook and practice writing the Thai people around me get a huge kick out of it and are always eager to help.
I haven't spent much time on soi 33 so I'm unfamiliar with the area. Are any of the bars open during the day as my class starts at 4:00PM.
It is obvious that she wants to be legal to stay and work in australia and make money, lots of it. The studying is just a means to an end. If you marry her you might never see the cash and love will not be in the air either. The 20 000 is meant as a business investment.
Better for you to hold out and let her dangle, don't feel bad about it since she is not square with you either and enjoy while it lasts.
Just my opinion of course but based on some real life experience.
No money.no honey.
Sainter21,
I've done what you're considering but there was no money involved except that I ended up supporting someone for a year and a half. Several years back I married a pretty Chinese national, a mature student, who needed to extend her visa to complete her studies. Wanting to help someone is a weak basis for marriage, and I knew that, but sometimes rational thinking takes a back seat. ;)
Anyway, long story short, after she graduated, we got divorced, she cleaned my meager bank account and returned to China. A year later she came back and eventually married another local. But here's the kicker: when she applied for landed immigrant status as my wife, I had to sign a letter of sponsorship. The sponsorship period in Canada nowadays has been amended to 3 years but mine is retroactively binding for 10 no matter what her status during that entire time. That means if she gets into any sort of trouble, I'm still legally responsible for compensating any aggrieved parties; if she has financial problems, I can be mandated to send her a monthly stipend even if the divorce itself was free of alimony; and if she draws welfare, social assistance, etc, at any time, I have to reimburse the federal government. All this falls on me, not her current husband!
Luckily she's a decent, independent sort so there's little chance of being corralled into court. Or so I thought. A couple years ago after I moved to America, I got a call at the office out of the blue from her parole officer. This person was gathering background info on my ex and wouldn't divulge what felony charge was involved. After the call, my first thought was, crap, I have another 6 years of this hanging over my head.
Where am I going with this? If you want to take the $20K for marrying this girl I strongly suggest that you first check your local immigration laws governing sponsorship of foreign nationals. A divorce/annulment may not automatically absolve you of the attached legal and financial responsibilities. Then you can better decide if the benefits outweigh the risks. FWIW.
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Things are not that simple in Australia any more.
Due to an increase in the number of these "scam" marriages over the past 30 years or so, it now takes around 4 years for the girl to get a permanent residence visa. She has to be able to prove an "ongoing relationship" with the "sponsor" during this period. Just a marriage certificate doesn't cut it anymore.
I've put some details in the Australia/Melbourne forum.
Visited recently opened club at RCA, called [i]Overtones: Music Cave [/i]. On the main RCA strip, half way in, big orange sign board. Very nice place, includes mezzanine seating, huge wall tv, nice stage, professional lighting, sound, cameras.
Saturday night, starting around 11 pm is "Pro Jam" - local rockers invited to play till up to 3 am. Last night, local stars and one visitor from Germany with sets that included a hard rock version with long guitar jams of Superstition (yes, Stevie Wonder), Jimi H's Voodoo Child (highlight of nite), songs from Queen (great vocalist did the honors), and Pink Floyd. I fell in luv with this young babe who played the saxe and sang ;)
Many know the 5 Star at Cowboy Soi for their music, this place is heads above 5 Star. My hosts had to resort to plugging their ears - too loud for them or maybe we were too close to the stage. Definitely will return in future.
PS - last month Jimmy Paige of Led Zeppelin dropped in and jammed with the locals.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Visited recently opened club at RCA, called [i]Overtones: Music Cave [/i]. On the main RCA strip, half way in, big orange sign board....Last night, local stars and one visitor from Germany with sets that included a hard rock version with long guitar jams of Superstition (yes, Stevie Wonder), Jimi H's Voodoo Child (highlight of nite), songs from Queen (great vocalist did the honors), and Pink Floyd...PS - last month Jimmy Paige of Led Zeppelin dropped in and jammed with the locals.[/QUOTE]For me, nothing beats live music played well. This place sounds like my type of venue. I usually visit a small club across the main drag from Asia Hotel but this one looks like it has enough drag to attract some heavy hitters (Jimmy Page!!). Thanks for the heads up!
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Visited recently opened club at RCA, called [i]Overtones: Music Cave [/i]. On the main RCA strip, half way in, big orange sign board. Very nice place, includes mezzanine seating, huge wall tv, nice stage, professional lighting, sound, cameras.
Saturday night, starting around 11 pm is "Pro Jam" - local rockers invited to play till up to 3 am. Last night, local stars and one visitor from Germany with sets that included a hard rock version with long guitar jams of Superstition (yes, Stevie Wonder), Jimi H's Voodoo Child (highlight of nite), songs from Queen (great vocalist did the honors), and Pink Floyd. I fell in luv with this young babe who played the saxe and sang ;)
Many know the 5 Star at Cowboy Soi for their music, this place is heads above 5 Star. My hosts had to resort to plugging their ears - too loud for them or maybe we were too close to the stage. Definitely will return in future.
PS - last month Jimmy Paige of Led Zeppelin dropped in and jammed with the locals.[/QUOTE]
This is great news, but was is the RCA strip? Wouldn't be difficult to top the 5-Star, I personally found that place VERY mediocre.
[QUOTE=Pak Mike]This is great news, but was is the RCA strip? [/QUOTE]
29/70-72 RCA, Zone D
[url]http://www.prartmusic.com/overtone[/url]
[url]www.overtone.tv[/url]
Tel: 02 203-0423/5
According to their schedule, Saturday March 28th is Jimi Hendrix tribute by The Pop (?) group/band. I'm heading off Wed morning but might try to sneak back for this show :)
PS
I believe there is a minimum two drink B$150 coverage charge but not sure.
I'm not sure if this is the appropriate thread to post this but here it goes.
I'm thinking of coming in June to Thailand for the first time to experience this wonderful place. I was wondering what is the weather like in June? I realize this might be during the monsoon heavy rain, so how much of a hinddrance can the heavy rains be in that period of the year? Is it all realistic to be able to enjoy the beaches during that time or should I forget about June and reschedule it for a later time?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]29/70-72 RCA, Zone D
[url]http://www.prartmusic.com/overtone[/url]
[url]www.overtone.tv[/url]
Tel: 02 203-0423/5
According to their schedule, Saturday March 28th is Jimi Hendrix tribute by The Pop (?) group/band. I'm heading off Wed morning but might try to sneak back for this show :)
PS
I believe there is a minimum two drink B$150 coverage charge but not sure.[/QUOTE]
Jimi Hendrix stuff was friday March 28.
Sat is "Apartment Khun Paa" (Rock, Funk, Jazz, Blues, and Hip hop)
[QUOTE=Sprite13]I'm not sure if this is the appropriate thread to post this but here it goes.
I'm thinking of coming in June to Thailand for the first time to experience this wonderful place. I was wondering what is the weather like in June? I realize this might be during the monsoon heavy rain, so how much of a hinddrance can the heavy rains be in that period of the year? Is it all realistic to be able to enjoy the beaches during that time or should I forget about June and reschedule it for a later time?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]June to September is the rain season. I have been to BKK in June. There are heavy showers that's for sure, but it last like 1 hour. Which is enough to fill the street. (that's quite impressive). However 1 hour of rain leaves 23 useful hours.
You'll have cheaper prices in June, and as it's the low season less competition to get girls, and cheaper airfaires!
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Jimi Hendrix stuff was friday March 28.
Sat is "Apartment Khun Paa" (Rock, Funk, Jazz, Blues, and Hip hop)[/QUOTE]
Yea, just landed and saw the same on their website :(
Check your pm
Arrived in Bangkok the other day and checked into the lodge. As usual the service was wonderful and checking in was a breeze. Was asked if I wanted a drink upon arrival and ater 25 hours I needed one. The beer was cold and was quickly brought to me.
Because it was close to closing I asked about a friend who worked there last fall. Sure enough she was there and came running over when she spotted me. Ater the initial greetings it was decided she would like to spend the rest of the evening talking and what ever.
The lodge had not changed since I last was here. So far the service has been good, dinner was excellent, and the breakast has been tasty. I am happy I decided to stay here again.
I will add reports as things happen on this holiday, but for now lets say things are of to a great start.
Mackin
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Jimi Hendrix stuff was friday March 28.
Sat is "Apartment Khun Paa" (Rock, Funk, Jazz, Blues, and Hip hop)[/QUOTE]
Yep, royally screwed up and mixed up the day/date.
But stopped over anyway with my country manager, place fairly full but fortunately we had booked front row table. Mick and his gorgeous TG were up on the mezzazine sipping cocktails.
After the first one hour, place was jammed, our front row seats became the mish pond - people dancing, drinking, raising hell. Although I didn't understand a word of the music, it was good. Lot of local rap music, several guest appearances, including a farang older couple - she played the sax and he the harmonica.
Left at 12:30 to return to Giotto's pool party.
[QUOTE=Sprite13]what is the weather like in June? [/QUOTE]
Spri'13, June is fine. The weather is better then than it is now (or in March or even May) in my opinion; the heat in April flat out sucks, it really is the cruelest month. July might be even better than June. It gets rainy in August, but not so much that it is a problem- it is actually cooler here in July/August than in some cities in temperate zones, like Tokyo or NYC.
For seasonal comparisons of weather in BKK check out this Wunderground link: [url]http://*******.com/8srdj[/url]
Surprised to see that it rains more on average in May than in June. I think I'll leave next week and come back in. . .June.
Thanks people for the feedback. Much appreciated.
Good to know that June is low season and less competition and better prices. However, airfare is not cheap all year round to Thailand. Where's the best airfare deal from the east cost of Canada to Thailand?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Aussiegaigin]Things are not that simple in Australia any more.
Due to an increase in the number of these "scam" marriages over the past 30 years or so, it now takes around 4 years for the girl to get a permanent residence visa. She has to be able to prove an "ongoing relationship" with the "sponsor" during this period. Just a marriage certificate doesn't cut it anymore.
I've put some details in the Australia/Melbourne forum.[/QUOTE]
You must know something the Australian Immigration office don't, permanent residency takes 2 years, lots of paperwork, statements etc..
A friend of mine married to a thai woman 2 years ago just got her permanent residency approved.
[QUOTE=Smoke & Mirrors in the Photo gallery]Na & her family own a chain of [u]outdoor[/u] tanning salons in Northeastern TL. Lot's of locals have that deep dark tan you guys ask about. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand in the photo gallery]Smoke and Mirrors - tanning salons??? in Thailand??? :D good one![/QUOTE]
OTH, as I understand his post he refers to the rice fields.
You found me a new proverb: "It's like opening a tanning salon in Thailand"
Putting this here to say that I am back in UK and will start to document all the ins and outs of my trip to LOS
Bits will appear in:
Bangkok
Phuket
Hotels
Bangkok MPs
and some items of general info as well
Great meeting some of the ISG crew in my stay at LL, but after 20hrs travelling need to unpack/unwind and my reports will fall like "leaves from the trees" when I am conscious again!
Just doing a budget for my up coming trip to the LOS.
Anyone got any intel on the best place to buy a made to measure suit in BKK?
Most of the info on these forums seems a little old.
Any idea what I should pay? Would I be better buying one in Hong Kong?
Thanks.
S.
[QUOTE=Stykler]Just doing a budget for my up coming trip to the LOS.
Anyone got any intel on the best place to buy a made to measure suit in BKK?
Most of the info on these forums seems a little old.
Any idea what I should pay? Would I be better buying one in Hong Kong?
Thanks.
S.[/QUOTE]
With the current rates I personally feel that Hong Kong is a better value right now.
In BKK I like Hermann's on the corner of Suk Soi 3. But there are way way way too many good tailors in BKK. I use a very special fabric due to where I live so my price is not valid to this conversation. The reason I ended up with them is they were willing to get the right material. Plus pricing is very dependent on the material you want, lining and other items so it's hard to judge. If you want to pay 200 USD for two suits and five shirts... then you get what you pay for.
Alterations and ordering items to be mailed out to me and such has never been an issue with these folks. They have a web site and they do answer emails.
[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2][url]http://www.healthlandspa.com/spamenu.html[/url]
This is the place you want. You will see mostly Thai's with BMW/Mercedes outside.....a nice professional place...and I have been there many times.[/QUOTE]
Thanks... didn't get to check this out but we will next trip.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]TV,
I believe "The King & I" at the beginning of Soi 12 is a Great and Legit Spa.[/QUOTE]
This place was actually very good. The TGF enjoyed it very much and I had an OK time on the scrub. Went back for also just a foot massage later and that was much better then other shops around Suk.
There was a regular Thai massage place off of Soi 22 before Queens park that was legit and very good thai massage as well that Giotto advised me to go to.
Never got beyond Aviva, Tulip and Eden for the other kind of massages so not much new to report on those ends. Just a happy camper at all three places so no reason to write up a massage report.
Thanks for you help Nic...
I can recommend either Raja's in Soi 4 or New Royal Fashions in Soi 11. One of the good things about NRF is that Mr Sam travels the world each year and you can be measured up for suits in your own country and have them mailed.
Hi
I am not a friend of Analsex, but i have tried it 2 times at Edens.
Is it common in Thailand ?
How many girls offer this service
10% ?
Buttlover
For a firstimer to Thailand, where would be the best place to have the most fun with both girls and the beach for say in June?
Any feedback would be appreciated.
[QUOTE=Sprite13]For a firstimer to Thailand, where would be the best place to have the most fun with both girls and the beach for say in June?
Any feedback would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
June is the off season. Probably no beach will be that good in June, as it's the start of rainy season. Since the monsoon comes up diagonally from the southest towards the northwest, somewhere on the west cost would be the best to take girls. If you're looking for a beach town with girls, then Phuket might be a safe bet. Although, there's no guarantee that you won't have rain even there.
Something totally different that I found on the internet and wanted to share with you guys.
It looks like more of you shoud stay on the golf course and stop going to MP's or bars.
Despite all that you hear, having sex with a TG isn't that good an exercise after all.
[b]Calories Burned for Activity:[/b]
Sexual Activity, Passive (Light Effort, Kissing, Hugging) 1.17 calories per Minute (70 per hour)
Sexual Activity, General (Moderate Effort) 1.52 calories per Minute (91 per hour)
Sexual Activity, Active (Vigorous Effort) 1.75 calories per minute (105 per hour)
Next time you get a Starfish Experience, think about how many more calories you are going to lose! LOL
But what amazes me is that this same source is also saying that:
Sitting - Card Playing, playing board games 1.75 calories per minute (105 per hour)
Or
Golfing (Using Power Cart ) 4.08 calories per minute (245 per hour)
This will be my 5th trip to Thailand and I am a Pattaya addict I love the place.
Where else should I go it will only be one of the following
Bangkok only explored once (Nana,Cowboy,Eden,Beer Garden) even though I have been there twice.
Phuket explored Patong beach once Bangla road area visited the Kick boxing when I went which was excellent.
Chang Mai never been.
Any thoughts or advices would be great.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Stykler]Just doing a budget for my up coming trip to the LOS.
Anyone got any intel on the best place to buy a made to measure suit in BKK?
Most of the info on these forums seems a little old.
Any idea what I should pay? Would I be better buying one in Hong Kong?
Thanks.
S.[/QUOTE]For the past 8 years I have been having suits made at Versaces on the corner of Sukhumvit Road and Soi 7. Their tailoring is very good and they have good quality materials. I believe that you get what you pay for, so I always request their highest quality materials. There are a minimum of two fittings. After these several years I can attest to their quality--they keep their shape and wear well. Originally these were 12, 800 Baht (around U. S. $400) for a three-piece suit, but with negotiating plus buying suits every year, the price is presently 4, 480 Baht (around U. S. $140). Do not be afraid to negotiate!
[QUOTE=Stykler]Just doing a budget for my up coming trip to the LOS.
Anyone got any intel on the best place to buy a made to measure suit in BKK?
Most of the info on these forums seems a little old.
Any idea what I should pay? Would I be better buying one in Hong Kong?
Thanks.
S.[/QUOTE]
A lot of the people who work for embassies in BKK recommend Raja's on Suk Soi 4, across from the Nana Hotel. There are cheaper places, but Bobby gives personal service and stands behind his work forever. I had a couple of blazers made there and am happy with the fabric and workmanship. I wear them almost everyday and have no problems. I also have had about 10 pairs of pants made and they are fine. Don't care much for the shirts made in Thailand. Don't know why, but seems like the ones in Hong Kong are better.
RA
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Don't care much for the shirts made in Thailand. Don't know why, but seems like the ones in Hong Kong are better.
RA[/QUOTE]
Sure, if you order the cheap shirts @ 800 or 900 a piece, then you will get to choose from the bottom of the line fabrics (single ply). there are Tailors who offer shirts for 1,800 a piece (2 ply and TOP Quality), buy 6 get 2 free. that brings it to 1,350 per shirt which is quite cheap for a superior quality 2-ply shirt (strong and soft).
Has any expat in BKK a Dentist for me, just ordinary tooth polishing.
Odd request, I know, but not where I am coming from.
Regards,
[QUOTE=Neufie]Has any expat in BKK a Dentist for me, just ordinary tooth polishing.
Odd request, I know, but not where I am coming from.
Regards,[/QUOTE]
Try this [url]http://www.bangkoksmiledental.com/price/price.html[/url]
Cheers
Nic
[QUOTE=Neufie]Has any expat in BKK a Dentist for me, just ordinary tooth polishing.
Odd request, I know, but not where I am coming from.
Regards,[/QUOTE]
The Dental Hospital. Sukhumvit soi 49 across from Villa grocery store. It was started by the King's dentist and is 100% state-of-the-art.
[url]http://www.dentalhospitalbangkok.com/[/url]
there seems to be a pipeline of thai's coming into hawaii, who have suddenly started to open up massage establishments. strictly legit, with only very rare reports of play, but of interest since it's so recent. there's a large military presence, but only a handful can be explained by prior marriages to guys in the military.
it started with one a few years ago and now there are six. it added a new twist, to a highly competetive massage market. we already had many from japan, korea, phillipines and china in addition to the normal influx from other parts of the u.s. many of these thai girls are very open to dating (all races and loving it). this is just a blip, compared to the many thai girls who are working in europe and throughout asia, but a nice new addition to hawaii. we have all of the other races covered quite nicely, but thai's have been very few in number. the great thing is that of the 25 to 30 therapists, there are only two or three that would rate below a 7 and a couple are very hot.
of course, there's always been the hostess bars (primarily korean, japanese & vietnamese). there's also a few thai bars, but none of these girls have worked there. with rates of $60 per hour and tips averaging $15 to $20, i'm sure the financial rewards are very good for them, but the cost of living expenses may put a dent in that. they do probably see four customers or more per day, so i'm sure they are doing fine.
just thought i would pass this on. maybe others may have noticed this happening in their parts of the country. given the passport/visa issues the girls face, this is a welcome surprise.
at2
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]It started with one a few years ago and now there are six. [/QUOTE]
Not only that, the number of Thai restaurants have gone through the roof as well. Some are getting in through Saipan where there is still a Thai garmet factory operating and they are getting in through the CNMI route... But that doesn't explain the explosion you and I see in HNL....
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Not only that, the number of Thai restaurants have gone through the roof as well. Some are getting in through Saipan where there is still a Thai garmet factory operating and they are getting in through the CNMI route... But that doesn't explain the explosion you and I see in HNL....[/QUOTE]
LOL! Shit Tansak .. I did not realize we were playing in the same backyard! Check out Darla at Thai Spa! Not sure if this is the infamous Chantay that everyone is talking about (name change?). Of course, there's always the AMP's!.
Peace,
AT2
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]The Dental Hospital. Sukhumvit soi 49 across from Villa grocery store. It was started by the King's dentist and is 100% state-of-the-art.
[url]http://www.dentalhospitalbangkok.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
OTH - I do agree with you, up to a point. I have been going to The Dental Hospital for about 7 years now. Even when I was living in Beijing and now that I am back in Oz, I used to go to this place for treatment. The service and treatment has always been first class.
However I have had my concerns since my last two visits. Firstly I was advised that I was in great need of a teeth whitening procedure as my teeth were changing colour at different rates. I had never heard of that before, and I was a little worried that my understanding of the issue was lacking due to a communication breakdown. They speak very good English by the way. Never the less I decided to pass on their suggestion.
Then this year I was advised that I had a cracked tooth at the back of my mouth and that I would need a whole root canal, 3 visits and 30000 baht to rectify the problem. Something didn't seem right so I decided to hold off until could see my family dentist back in Oz.
Back home I told her (my dentist) the story and she just laughed. 1) The only reason I had a tooth colour problem was because one tooth is a crown, and no matter what whitening procedure they used it would have been useless for that, and 2) I have zero cracked teeth at the back of my mouth or anywhere else in my head!
The only reason I mention it is because I now recommend a second opinion if getting any major work done in BKK.
S.
PS. I note from the framed degrees on the walls of the treatment rooms at The Dental Hospital, that most of the dentists completed their degrees in Sydney or Melbourne :-)
[QUOTE=Stykler]OTH - I do agree with you, up to a point. I have been going to The Dental Hospital for about 7 years now. Even when I was living in Beijing and now that I am back in Oz, I used to go to this place for treatment. The service and treatment has always been first class.
However I have had my concerns since my last two visits. Firstly I was advised that I was in great need of a teeth whitening procedure as my teeth were changing colour at different rates. I had never heard of that before, and I was a little worried that my understanding of the issue was lacking due to a communication breakdown. They speak very good English by the way. Never the less I decided to pass on their suggestion.
Then this year I was advised that I had a cracked tooth at the back of my mouth and that I would need a whole root canal, 3 visits and 30000 baht to rectify the problem. Something didn't seem right so I decided to hold off until could see my family dentist back in Oz.
Back home I told her (my dentist) the story and she just laughed. 1) The only reason I had a tooth colour problem was because one tooth is a crown, and no matter what whitening procedure they used it would have been useless for that, and 2) I have zero cracked teeth at the back of my mouth or anywhere else in my head!
The only reason I mention it is because I now recommend a second opinion if getting any major work done in BKK.
S.
PS. I note from the framed degrees on the walls of the treatment rooms at The Dental Hospital, that most of the dentists completed their degrees in Sydney or Melbourne :-)[/QUOTE]
Well, I was stressing the service and quality of facilities. It is expensive and it's a business where they sometimes recommend unnecessary treatments. Therefore, it does pay to get a second opinion. Afterall, it's Thailand.
Found a good dentist in pattaya - soi 5
ABC dental 100m toward beach off 2nd road on the left (5 is one way coming at you)
Hi Guys,
Longtime reader, I have actually been to Thailand a few times this year, found a cool, fun girl, her english soso my thai soso. All in all thinking of having her come visit me here in U. S. For a few weeks I have spoken to a friend and he advised they will not give her a visa on grounds of "why would she return to Thailand" is this true as I have been told that only students get approved for visas to U. S? I have looked at the Thai Visa website and does not seem that any restricitions really, As I plan on going back soon and am wondering if I should book her ticket or not (No refunds).
Also how tuff is it to uproot from the U. S and move to Thailand, I have seen a large demand for English teachers but do not have a teaching degree (Is it really needed) is it easy to find work as my US based Sal 80K, how much money can you bring into Thailand, what is the least you would recommend. Any bank reccomendations, job websites any and all responses would be greatly appreciated.
Thnx
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Sure, if you order the cheap shirts @ 800 or 900 a piece, then you will get to choose from the bottom of the line fabrics (single ply). there are Tailors who offer shirts for 1,800 a piece (2 ply and TOP Quality), buy 6 get 2 free. that brings it to 1,350 per shirt which is quite cheap for a superior quality 2-ply shirt (strong and soft).[/QUOTE]In Hong Kong Sam's Taylors charge 300 HK$ per shirt, which is 1200 Baht for a good quality. A shirt from one of the few top tailors would cost 500. Thailand is getting way to expensive for what you get there.
[QUOTE=Luvnlife1970]Hi Guys,
Longtime reader, I have actually been to Thailand a few times this year, found a cool, fun girl, her english soso my thai soso. All in all thinking of having her come visit me here in U. S. For a few weeks I have spoken to a friend and he advised they will not give her a visa on grounds of "why would she return to Thailand" is this true as I have been told that only students get approved for visas to U. S? I have looked at the Thai Visa website and does not seem that any restricitions really, As I plan on going back soon and am wondering if I should book her ticket or not (No refunds).
Also how tuff is it to uproot from the U. S and move to Thailand, I have seen a large demand for English teachers but do not have a teaching degree (Is it really needed) is it easy to find work as my US based Sal 80K, how much money can you bring into Thailand, what is the least you would recommend. Any bank reccomendations, job websites any and all responses would be greatly appreciated.
Thnx[/QUOTE]In terms of moving from the U. S. To Thailand, it is pretty easy. I have been here over a year now. Even moved my household goods. Minimal duty. You can teach English here without having a degree if you get a TESOL certificate (from Chichester College, Chiang Mai Univ for example). However, teachers are underpaid, getting approximately 300-500 Baht per hour. My opinion is that you will not make $80K equivalent here unless you have at least a Master's Degree and highly skilled experience. I make that kind of money here, but I have a Ph. D. And significant job skills. In terms of banks, Bangkok Bank is the largest; if you have a long-term visa, no problem getting an account. Most money transactions in Thailand are done electronically; there is a service charge of approximately $35 to cash a check. I routinely transfer funds back and forth to my U. S. Bank with no glitches. Hope that this info helps.
[QUOTE=Taumaoe]In terms of moving from the U. S. To Thailand, it is pretty easy. I have been here over a year now. Even moved my household goods. Minimal duty. You can teach English here without having a degree if you get a TESOL certificate (from Chichester College, Chiang Mai Univ for example). However, teachers are underpaid, getting approximately 300-500 Baht per hour. My opinion is that you will not make $80K equivalent here unless you have at least a Master's Degree and highly skilled experience. I make that kind of money here, but I have a Ph. D. And significant job skills. In terms of banks, Bangkok Bank is the largest; if you have a long-term visa, no problem getting an account. Most money transactions in Thailand are done electronically; there is a service charge of approximately $35 to cash a check. I routinely transfer funds back and forth to my U. S. Bank with no glitches. Hope that this info helps.[/QUOTE]Thanks, that does help. I will find somewhere in NJ that teaches the Teso I understand it's a pretty short course, I will probably have better luck in Philadelphia as it is just as close. Pay seems low (300-500 Baht), but not much is needed to live day to day in Thailand; are these 7/8 hour days or one on one teaching or variouse offered? I am guessing that I will not be able to setup a bank account at "Bangkok Bank" until I have obtained a long term visa (is that the 12 month visa) that you reapply for each year? Any idea about "ING" savingscan you transfer funds back and forth to Bangkok Bank. I am about a year out I think from my move if all goes well. Any idea on how much CASH you can carry/bring in to Thailand (Selling off my misc possesions).
During my times spent in Thai I have made my way around various parts via foot, Tuktuk, and cab which I beleive I would be able to do on a daily basis if living in Thai; Is there really a need to own a vehicle (As in the U. S. You must have)?
Thank you again.
[QUOTE=Taumaoe]In terms of moving from the U. S. To Thailand, it is pretty easy. I have been here over a year now. Even moved my household goods. Minimal duty. You can teach English here without having a degree if you get a TESOL certificate (from Chichester College, Chiang Mai Univ for example). However, teachers are underpaid, getting approximately 300-500 Baht per hour. My opinion is that you will not make $80K equivalent here unless you have at least a Master's Degree and highly skilled experience. I make that kind of money here, but I have a Ph. D. And significant job skills. In terms of banks, Bangkok Bank is the largest; if you have a long-term visa, no problem getting an account. Most money transactions in Thailand are done electronically; there is a service charge of approximately $35 to cash a check. I routinely transfer funds back and forth to my U. S. Bank with no glitches. Hope that this info helps.[/QUOTE]
Am I to understand you make $80K with your PhD, as a teacher in Thailand? Where for God's sake???? If that is indeed the case, that kind of salary is news to me. That's nearly 250,000 baht/month. I suppose it's possible. But, you'd have to be working your ass off to get that kind of money - I'd say 6 days/week at a top university like Chula with a teaching load of about 35 hours/week; an almost impossible thing to do, given that for every hour taught, you need to prep 1 1/2 to 2 hours, and most Thai universities require you also do about 20 hours of non-academic work per week. Only a first-tier international school administrator would perhaps make 250,000/month and there are less than 6 of those in the country. If you're one of those, you're very atypical.
If you're working for some multi-national, the salary would be plausible. But, teaching, I doubt it.
Just curious.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Am I to understand you make $80K with your PhD, as a teacher in Thailand? Where for God's sake???? [/QUOTE]
Maybe he's talking in Thai Baht? 80k THB?
[QUOTE=Luvnlife1970]Thanks, that does help. I will find somewhere in NJ that teaches the Teso I understand it's a pretty short course, I will probably have better luck in Philadelphia as it is just as close. Pay seems low (300-500 Baht), but not much is needed to live day to day in Thailand; are these 7/8 hour days or one on one teaching or variouse offered? I am guessing that I will not be able to setup a bank account at "Bangkok Bank" until I have obtained a long term visa (is that the 12 month visa) that you reapply for each year? Any idea about "ING" savingscan you transfer funds back and forth to Bangkok Bank. I am about a year out I think from my move if all goes well. Any idea on how much CASH you can carry/bring in to Thailand (Selling off my misc possesions).
During my times spent in Thai I have made my way around various parts via foot, Tuktuk, and cab which I beleive I would be able to do on a daily basis if living in Thai; Is there really a need to own a vehicle (As in the U. S. You must have)?
Thank you again.[/QUOTE]
The average salary for an English teacher is about 30,000 baht/month ($12,000 US/year). If you were in Bangkok, you'd starve on so little and would merely be able to survive on it it upcountry.
I've been teaching here for nearly 11 years. I do not teach English, but a variety of other highly specialized subjects. I have a terminal degree, work 4 days/week at the best universities (2 of them) in the country and make between $42,000 and $50,000/year depending on overloads. I am quite wired into pretty well all that is available in the teaching field in Thailand. So, I am pretty confident that you couldn't make much more than I do and more likely would make a lot less.
Unless you have considerable savings, or are young and looking for a bit of adventure, I'd strongly advise against pulling up roots and coming here to teach English. You'll barely make enough to live on, won't be able to afford anything but a small studio room in which to live, and certainly won't be able to get such things as a credit card or loan to buy a car, if you want one. Before you know it, you'll be financially trapped and won't be able to leave. The country is full of burned-out English teachers in their 40s, 50s and even 60s struggling on meagre salaries and unable to even find the airfare to go home.
I suggest you stay where you are, save your money and retire here when you're older.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Maybe he's talking in Thai Baht? 80k THB?[/QUOTE]
I hope it was a typo and he meant 80,000 baht/month. Otherwise, I doubt what he's saying.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Maybe he's talking in Thai Baht? 80k THB?[/QUOTE]
80 K baht a year... that's funny....
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]The average salary for an English teacher is about 30,000 baht/month ($12,000 US/year). [/QUOTE]
Working girls make double that, triple if they are good.
Pull up roots to make 1/2 of what probably an average working girl makes in a poor country and people think you can live an easy life in Thailand?
Good luck... wish them the best....
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]T I have a terminal degree, work 4 days/week at the best universities (2 of them) in the country and make between $42,000 and $50,000/year depending on overloads.[/QUOTE]
I think it's obvious that I've always taken a dim view of western expat workers in LOS (mostly losers who couldn't cut the mustard in a first world country imo). But five hundred quid a week at the peak of your profession? I spend at least that much on a decent night out in farangland. No wonder you expats hate the bargirls so much: They're all earning more than you.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]80 K baht a year... that's funny.... [/QUOTE]
Argh... I didn't mean to be funny LOL
Sorry for the confusion, I was thinking 80k per month (960k/year)
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]I think it's obvious that I've always taken a dim view of western expat workers in LOS (mostly losers who couldn't cut the mustard in a first world country imo). But five hundred quid a week at the peak of your profession? I spend at least that much on a decent night out in farangland. No wonder you expats hate the bargirls so much: They're all earning more than you.[/QUOTE]
Interesting POV Terry.
I am not sure I can say how much a bargirl earns (maybe you can enlighten us?) but I can tell you that some of us moved to Thailand because the money and living conditions were fairly decent.
I worked in Europe and the US before being offered a position in Thailand, I first refused it because I knew nothing about Asia and wasn't really interested about it at that time as my life in the US was quite comfortable.
The company came up with a "package" I couldn't refuse: Good Salary, Rent and utilities paid for. I am 30 and single so I finally decided that maybe relocating to SEA wasn't such a bad idea.
I have been living here for a little over 3 years now and life is so good that I am planning on staying a few more years.
[quote=luvnlife1970]longtime reader, i have actually been to thailand a few times this year, found a cool, fun girl, her english soso my thai soso. all in all thinking of having her come visit me here in u. s. for a few weeks i have spoken to a friend and he advised they will not give her a visa on grounds of "why would she return to thailand" is this true as i have been told that only students get approved for visas to u. s? i have looked at the thai visa website and does not seem that any restricitions really, as i plan on going back soon and am wondering if i should book her ticket or not (no refunds).[/quote]
don't book her ticket unless she has the visa. don't look at the thai visa website, look at the us visa website...
regarding us visitor visas, i have some firsthand experience dealing with this in the philippines and i am not surprised to see the same situation in thailand. the us embassy assumes that everyone applying for a visitor visa from the philippines is a potential immigrant so the burden of proof is on the applicant to show that they *will* return home following the visit. proof generally consists of family ties, real estate holdings, business ownership or very good job, and cash in the bank. any hint of sex work is usually grounds for automatic rejection. in the philippines, this criteria shuts out all but the upper class from consideration. have to imagine it is not much different in thailand.
so how do thais (and filipinos) make it to the us? they have family already there petitioning for them. or they get engaged/married to a us citizen. or they are nurses (much more common in the philippines due to the english speaking requirement). or they are students.
so you ask, "can i sponsor her? can i post a bond for her return?" the answer in the us is no because there is still the potential of (illegal) immigration in that scenario. so the burden is strictly on her to show she's going home again.
hate to be a party pooper, but there it is.
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]I think it's obvious that I've always taken a dim view of western expat workers in LOS (mostly losers who couldn't cut the mustard in a first world country imo). But five hundred quid a week at the peak of your profession? I spend at least that much on a decent night out in farangland. No wonder you expats hate the bargirls so much: They're all earning more than you.[/QUOTE]
Are we being a provocateur?:)
TT. You are obviosuly a rich man. But, given the cost of living in the UK, 500 quid isn't all that much. Average salaries there remain a lot lower compared to cost of living, than in the US, for example. And, you live in northern England, for Gawd's sake! Unless you're in some posh locale like Durham, I can't think of a worse place to spend 500 quid on a night out. In fact, it would take a lot more than that kind of spending money to keep me from killing myself, if I had to live in the UK, at all. It used to be a lovely country. But, it's a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]-hole, now.
If I had the misfortune to be in the UK, I'd be making about 25 to 30K quid/year as a uni teacher, which is about what I make here. In the US at a top uni I'd maybe get 60K-70K, in Canada 60K-90K CDN. So, given the cost of living in BKK, it's more than comparable.
Maybe I just picked the wrong profession because I'm just not a high roller like you.
But, I don't consider myself a loser. I got a couple of offers in the States and the Caribbean 3 years ago and left for awhile to teach in the Bahamas. Then I decided to come back, as I didn't like the west any more. Now, I'm thinking again about going home because I'm sick of it (again) here.
There are lots of expat losers here making peanuts.You're right about that. But, there are also many making a decent living that's more than enough for Thailand. But, while I'm not rolling in dosh, I think I make a respectable salary for my profession. For me, it's not all about the money. I worked in IT and advertising for many years and made good money. But, after 20 years of 15 hour days, I got burned out.
Also, for someone like me, there's always more opportunities here, which tempt me to hang in. I just got offered an extra class today, that pays 2,000 baht/hour or about $60 US. You'd be hard pressed to get $60/hr in the US for a part-time uni class. It would be more like $30-40. I have a 60 y.o. friend in California making $28.50/hour teaching college. So, in the context of teaching, it's not that bad here, if you get the right kind of job.
And then, there's the life-style here, which is quite enjoyable even for an impoverished "loser" such as me.;)
Oh and BTW...I don't hate bargirls. I just know I can do a lot better, that's all. cheers.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Am I to understand you make $80K with your PhD, as a teacher in Thailand? Where for God's sake???? If that is indeed the case, that kind of salary is news to me. That's nearly 250,000 baht/month. I suppose it's possible. But, you'd have to be working your ass off to get that kind of money - I'd say 6 days/week at a top university like Chula with a teaching load of about 35 hours/week; an almost impossible thing to do, given that for every hour taught, you need to prep 1 1/2 to 2 hours, and most Thai universities require you also do about 20 hours of non-academic work per week. Only a first-tier international school administrator would perhaps make 250,000/month and there are less than 6 of those in the country. If you're one of those, you're very atypical.
If you're working for some multi-national, the salary would be plausible. But, teaching, I doubt it.
Just curious.[/QUOTE]Old Hand: sorry if I misled you. No, here I am not a teacher. The market is too depressed economically. Although I taught uni for 10 years and have good edu quals, candidly, I could not find one here that pays enough? No, I work in an executive position with a multinational firm.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Maybe he's talking in Thai Baht? 80k THB?[/QUOTE]No, it's U. S. $80K. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I did not wish to imply that I made that kind of money teaching. I intended to provide the original poster info concerning the teaching environment here is Thailand, then digressed to say what I made in contrast to teaching. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Am I to understand you make $80K with your PhD, as a teacher in Thailand? Where for God's sake???? If that is indeed the case, that kind of salary is news to me. That's nearly 250,000 baht/month. I suppose it's possible. But, you'd have to be working your ass off to get that kind of money - I'd say 6 days/week at a top university like Chula with a teaching load of about 35 hours/week; an almost impossible thing to do, given that for every hour taught, you need to prep 1 1/2 to 2 hours, and most Thai universities require you also do about 20 hours of non-academic work per week. Only a first-tier international school administrator would perhaps make 250,000/month and there are less than 6 of those in the country. If you're one of those, you're very atypical.
If you're working for some multi-national, the salary would be plausible. But, teaching, I doubt it.
Just curious.[/QUOTE]Hi OTH
Depends on the International School, but there is one in central Suk area where the teachers (at the top of the scale) are on ~ 175000K Bht per month.
With bonus (paid yearly) the salary is a tick under 190000 K Bht per month. These are teachers with extensive experience, high level of qualification etc etc (not your TESOL english teacher) and at one particular school (there is no salary scale across schools) but .....
Skeeter
[QUOTE=Luvnlife1970]Longtime reader, I have actually been to Thailand a few times this year, found a cool, fun girl, her english soso my thai soso. All in all thinking of having her come visit me here in U. S. For a few weeks I have spoken to a friend and he advised they will not give her a visa on grounds of "why would she return to Thailand" is this true as I have been told that only students get approved for visas to U. S? I have looked at the Thai Visa website and does not seem that any restricitions really, As I plan on going back soon and am wondering if I should book her ticket or not (No refunds).[/QUOTE]You haven't indicated how far your relationship has progressed but if you feel ready for it, you might consider sponsoring her on a fiancee visa which would lessen the burden on her side. This BKK-based [URL=http://www.mythaifiancee.com/]law firm[/URL] seems to have a solid reputation. I've contacted the proprietor and although I decided not to use his firm's services, he was very direct and immediate with his response to my query.
As far as relocating to Thailand, if you already have the wanderlust and your girlfriend, then, is a catalyst who will merely pull you through the door you had already opened, then by all means, go for it. You'll have a blast. Conversely, if you're basing your decision to relocate solely on the blossoming relationship you have with this girl, then are you willing to uproot your current life, sacrifice a much higher standard of living, even briefly, on the chance that something may develop between the two of you?
When I was in my mid-20s, I did the latter for a girl in Seoul. I don't regret my decision but in hindsight I made life a bit more challenging than was necessary. ;)
In your case, why not bring her over first and then if things work out, head over to Thailand with the support of a solidified relationship (or marriage)?
I realize this is short on practical suggestions about actually living in Thailand, but hopefully the questions will spur you towards decisions that will make the most of your current situation. Cheers.
[QUOTE=Skeeter]Hi OTH
Depends on the International School, but there is one in central Suk area where the teachers (at the top of the scale) are on ~ 175000K Bht per month.
With bonus (paid yearly) the salary is a tick under 190000 K Bht per month. These are teachers with extensive experience, high level of qualification etc etc (not your TESOL english teacher) and at one particular school (there is no salary scale across schools) but .....
Skeeter[/QUOTE]
First of all, I teach university, not at an international school.
I'm quite aware of salaries available at international elementary/high schools. The school(s) in question that pay top salaries(more around 90,000-120,000 except for the long-term, highly qualified teachers) are NIST, RIS, ISB and Bangkok Pattana. All teachers making the top salary are recruited outside the country. But, for that you have a shit-load of work (much more than I have to do at the uni level) - easily 60++ hours/week. Also, those jobs require PCGE teaching qualification as well as a minimum BA. Jobs like this are generally few and far between. Therefore, they're not really worth mentioning for most who are thinking about teaching here. Most international schools (elementary and high school level) require the same qualifications and workload and pay, on average 60,000-80,000/month. For me, it's simply not worth it, unless you really like teaching bratty, rich kids.
[QUOTE=Taumaoe]Old Hand: sorry if I misled you. No, here I am not a teacher. The market is too depressed economically. Although I taught uni for 10 years and have good edu quals, candidly, I could not find one here that pays enough? No, I work in an executive position with a multinational firm.[/QUOTE]
OK. That makes sense, then.
[QUOTE=Orange Sunshine]You haven't indicated how far your relationship has progressed but if you feel ready for it, you might consider sponsoring her on a fiancee visa which would lessen the burden on her side. This BKK-based [URL=http://www.mythaifiancee.com/]law firm[/URL] seems to have a solid reputation. I've contacted the proprietor and although I decided not to use his firm's services, he was very direct and immediate with his response to my query.
As far as relocating to Thailand, if you already have the wanderlust and your girlfriend, then, is a catalyst who will merely pull you through the door you had already opened, then by all means, go for it. You'll have a blast. Conversely, if you're basing your decision to relocate solely on the blossoming relationship you have with this girl, then are you willing to uproot your current life, sacrifice a much higher standard of living, even briefly, on the chance that something may develop between the two of you?
When I was in my mid-20s, I did the latter for a girl in Seoul. I don't regret my decision but in hindsight I made life a bit more challenging than was necessary. ;)
In your case, why not bring her over first and then if things work out, head over to Thailand with the support of a solidified relationship (or marriage)?
I realize this is short on practical suggestions about actually living in Thailand, but hopefully the questions will spur you towards decisions that will make the most of your current situation. Cheers.[/QUOTE]I have to admit the prior threads have been most interesting, and open, and honest which I APPRECIATE, this is the information that I am really looking for from those who are actually living in Thailand. I do think that all in all its worth it, I love the country, the people, the food, the lifestyle. And I say to those who are burned out, you can get burned out anywhere, you really need to look inside and just ask yourself if this (teaching) is really what you want to do. I am in sales and could sell a 3 leg camel in a desert, but that is neither here nor there. Its about what you enjoy doing, and I Hope everyone her e is doing just that. Cheers and hopefully we will enjoy a pint or two! As I will be going for it.