2006 Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Meaty]You sound like a decent guy, who did what most do in Thailand....did you send her money to help with her sickness ?? I'm guessing it will have been a lot if it was a heart operation ?? and now she's nowhere to be found ??
I'm sure theres a perfectly reasonable explanation. Sorry dude, i hope Giotto proves me wrong.[/QUOTE]

Operations are dirt cheap in Thailand so at least he's not going to be out much. I know a girl that had hear entire uterus removed due to cancer and that was just 80,000 Baht.

[QUOTE=1Ball]Meaty, you are a cynic.
...I beleive she is in her village, recuperating from her heart surgery. She must have been in bad shape to need it at such a young age. And as soon as she is strong enough, she will finally be able to go off dialysis, and have her much needed kidney transplant.[/QUOTE]

That's not what I heard. I heard she met a really nice farang that told her to go home to her village and wait for his phone call. He gave these intructions because he felt it necessary for her to prove herself to him, so he gave her enough money for the bus fare home and now . . .

The poor girl, she's all alone waiting for his call. ;)

post . . .

[QUOTE=Meaty]You sound like a decent guy, who did what most do in Thailand. Did you send her money to help with her sickness ?? I'm guessing it will have been a lot if it was a heart operation? And now she's nowhere to be found?

I'm sure theres a perfectly reasonable explanation. Sorry dude, I hope Giotto proves me wrong.[/QUOTE]No man, I never sent her a cent. She didn't seem to be the goldigger type at all. Even when she was low on cash, she was too prideful to ever ask for help.

I have PMed Giotto. Hopefully I'll find out something.

Thanks for the responses guys.

Cheers!

me and my mate.

day 1 = the joys of the los

it’s always a pleasure arriving in the los. where we come from you have to look long and hard to find a girl that gives you a hard-on by just by looking at her. i sometimes play this game called “1 2 3 go” with my mate where we sit in a bar overlooking the sidewalk and we “have to” pick a girl from the first 10 that walk by. let me assure you, sometimes all 10 are disastrous. in bkk the girl at the immigration desk can give me a hard-on and i could jump her right there. but anyway, first things first, get some cash from the airport atm. 20k bht should do the trick. clime into a car “700bht” and get to the hotel. i know we could take a taxi for 350bht but who cares. at the hotel, check-in as fast as possible and try to hide the boner the receptionist is giving us. in the room, change into shorts & shirt and get into st mode. in this case st stands for sex-tourist. there is no need beating around the bush , that’s what we are. and it’s fun. i also ask for 4 extra towels, as i know i’ll need them. by now it’s around 12:30 so of we go to soi 7 the food hall opposite the bg. there waiting for us is nong and her brother. she’s a real cute girl who judging by her emails misses me a lot. but i have not and will continue to never touch her. her brother, i am pretty sure is playing for the other team. we order tyk, steamed fish in lime sauce with garlic and veggies. plus two jugs of singha. as always no complaints. total bill 700bht.

it’s beergarden time. but just for 2 more beers. the usual suspects are there. we can see bee, june, pat, anm, lee & mon (the waitress). my mate swears bee is fantastic except for the smoking. but i just can put my dick anywhere i know his has been first. nope can’t do it. all you guys can fuck your brains out with her, but that’s ok because i don’t know any of you. june is v nice and wild in bed, but that might have something to do with the cocaine. pat and anm are your regular bg girls, they give good bbbj with cim. and lee & mon, well we will get to them later. in the back corner is who i call the “teacher”. she looks like she wants to spank me with a ruler and make me beg for it. i get a boner just thinking about her. but we don’t talk to any of them or anybody else for that matter yet.

we’re moving on to ann’s parlor for some facial treatment, pedicure, manicure and haircut. and no, we are not playing for the other side. i just like having 5 girls work on me for and hour and half. total cost 700bht. i notice with delight ahe is back. guys if you get the chance go there get to know her and take her out after work. my dick still hurts now. talk about wild thing.. but do note she’s not a go-go or bar girl, so you’re going to have to work on her.

back to the bg and we are starting to hit the bottle rather hard and i am getting really horny now. my mate is once again chatting up mon the waitress. i think he’s got a boner. i in the meantime see this nice looking girl, i have had before, near the entrance. i can’t recall her name. ok face but big tits. i smile, she smiles back and over she comes. it takes maybe 10sec and we’re heading back to my hotel. my mate is still chatting up mon. seems to be working too. she’s flirting right back big time. back in my room we’re in the shower and i am getting my first bbbj of the trip. total deep throat, i can feel my balls hitting her chin. she takes me to the brink and stops. she does this 2 times on the third time, i say fuck this and use my own hand and cum all over her face. a minute later were on the bed and she slowly starts to blow and jerk me off. it takes about 3 min and i am as hard as a rock again.. she spreads her legs and i am getting my first fuck on for this trip. what i love about thai girls is they get so wet and fully let themselves go. this one likes to get pounded from behind and i happily oblige. by now she’s jelling, screaming, moaning you name it. she could be faking it off course but who cares. it’s like the old joke. why do woman fake their orgasms? because they think we care. anyway i can feel myself cuming so i pull out and she gets a warm sperm shower over her back. give her 1000bht and 100bht for a taxi. she smiles, giggles and ask if we can meet again tomorrow. i make no promises.

meanwhile back at the bg my mate decides to hit the can but guess what? mon’s there waiting for him, pushes him into one of the booths pulls down his pants and gives him his first bbbj of his trip. she swallows his entire load. then cleans his dick with her mouth. they exchange numbers and tentatively say they’ll get together later as her pussy is wet for him and she need to feel him inside her. i like it when girls say that. he makes no promisses.

it’s now 5pm, we meet up at the hotel and head of to soy cowboy. first stop is country road the first bar at the corner. it’s not a go-go bar and over the years has provided me and all my mates with some of the best times ever. we walk through the door and almost every girl shouts our names. we’re famous. if you can, try to find a place you like and become a regular. the service will be unbeatable. also try not be an asshole. we get the pool table in the corner and hook up with two of the new girls. bee and tik-ta or tik-da, i don’t remember. one of the guys there goes behind the bar and brings us two of the better cues. we start ordering singha and drinks for the girls. this time though we are both a little unhappy with the attentiveness of the girls. they seem preoccupied with something else. but it gets better the longer we stay. after a while it’s settled, bee wants to go with my mate and tik-ta with me. but now comes the surprise. not overnight, only st. that just won’t do and can’t be done. by now it’s 12:30am we are seriously drunk and horny so we pay our bill 2000bht and head up cowboy and see what’s around. nothing special really so we decide to head for soi 7 ½ and have a look around there. in the meantime bee and tuk-ta call my mate on the phone and say tomorrow she can stay overnight and please come back tomorrow. excellente!!! i have a longstanding girl in bkk, used to work near nana and now in 7 ½ ,. by the time we get there though it’s 1am and all closed down. shit! but not to worry. we get called over to the last pool bar on the road. small place with only one pool table, but there is a disco on the fourth floor. stays open until 8am and is highly illegal. me and my mate love that. we enter and order more beer. it’s bloody 170bht a bottle. fuck it! great looking girls here and very good music. so we really let loose. i am still horny for my thai girl though so i call her up and she agrees to come there. my mate has hooked up with this girl and is trying to remove her face with his lips. i am positive he has a hard on again. actually he is a walking hormone. she’s also not wearing any underwear. it turns out it is a great party place. we must be partying with 6 girls by now and they are all great lookers. by 2:15am my thai girl shows up and by 2:45 were in the shower. basically over the next 7 hours she [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] me 5 times. won’t let me sleep, says if a can drink & party all day i better be able to fuck all night. she’s 23 and will give me a heart attack. my mate heads back to the hotel around 4am with the girls who’s face he tried to lick off. she [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] him 4 times. i can hear it all the way down the hallway. she want’s him to fuck her bb up the ass. it took him 30min to recover from the shock. we don’t do bb. i must have at least 30 condoms in my bedside draw and i know he does as well. std? no thank you. by 9am we bring the girls down say our goodbyes and give them each 2000bht.

to be continued……with……day 2 = the torment of the prima donna

[size=-2][b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]click here[/url] for directions for posting a link to a specific report.[/blue][/size]

this is a small story from my visit to bkk in february. it is not the typical report but reflects one of the situations i found my self in.

i strolled into nana plaza around 1100 pm, did the "walkabout", and settled in one of the central bars in the courtyard. the girk who took my order and chatted me up was not really my type so after a while she left seeking her luck elsewhere. by the bar i saw a stunning girl with a fantastic smile, long jet black hair, jeans, t-shirt, laughing. simply charming. i looked at her, flirted and she was smiling, laughing, talking to the mamasan, but she didn't approach me. after some more flirting i motioned her to come over and she reluctantly came. her name was miaw, and the reason that she didn't come over was that she wasn't working that night as she was going home to see her daughter the next morning. her daughter was being taken care of by the baby's paternal grandmother and the biological father and his new wife. not a good situation, but better than nothing. that didn't scare me off so i bought her a drink and we talked for a while. i was really impressed with her so i asked if i could barfine her. she went and talked to the mamasan, who was reluctant as the other girls, on duty, in principle was loosing out, but eventually she agreed. miaw, politely told me that she had a scar on her left thigh from a motorcycle accident - if that turned me off. before we went. she told me that she didn't have her id with her as she just had returned from pattaya the same day where she had been with some friend and had forgotten her id there. as my hotel required id, she gave it some thought and remembered that she had her passport at her place on soi 16 some where. so we went to get a taxi, and drove "into the back of the suk soi's". on the way she spent 200 bath on flowers from a street vendor. she lived alone in a small room with a small "bathroom". as she was going away to see her daughter she had to close it down. clean up so to speak. for her that meant making sure that her buddha's had fresh flowers, fresh water in the correct bottles, the right pictures in the right places. i was truly impressed. she told me that she had been sharing the place with a friend, but that her friend had stolen her bankcard with pincode and had taken 40. 000 bath from her. she showed me the policereport. at last she found the passport and off we went. at this time i was taken by her. but felt actually sorry for her. actually she made me kind of sad. we walked for a while to get a taxi. when at last we got one i placed 2. 000 bath in her hand, she exclamed "you don't pay me now? ! ". going alone into the taxi i told her that i couldn't take her with me - and went home alone.

so what happened? - well she was so honest and i got to see sides of her life that i shouldn't have seen. she truly made me sad. and that is not the feeling i wanted in bkk. the context beeing that during my two week stay i barfined two girls, was at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] three times, at eden once, and at three massage placed i don't remember. and consider myself a experienced monger. but this was too much.

the next night i went to the same bar to see if she was there. but i knew that she was with her daughter.

i simply love bkk - no other place can get me "high on emotion" as this place. i probably deserve some of the more sharp responces from the isg readers, but i thought that this episode deserved its place.

[size=-2][b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]click here[/url] for directions for posting a link to a specific report.[/blue][/size]

this is a small story from my visit to bkk in february. it is not the typical report but reflects one of the situations i found my self in.

i strolled into nana plaza around 1100 pm, did the "walkabout", and settled in one of the central bars in the courtyard. the girk who took my order and chatted me up was not really my type so after a while she left seeking her luck elsewhere. by the bar i saw a stunning girl with a fantastic smile, long jet black hair, jeans, t-shirt, laughing. simply charming. i looked at her, flirted and she was smiling, laughing, talking to the mamasan, but she didn't approach me. after some more flirting i motioned her to come over and she reluctantly came. her name was miaw, and the reason that she didn't come over was that she wasn't working that night as she was going home to see her daughter the next morning. her daughter was being taken care of by the baby's paternal grandmother and the biological father and his new wife. not a good situation, but better than nothing. that didn't scare me off so i bought her a drink and we talked for a while. i was really impressed with her so i asked if i could barfine her. she went and talked to the mamasan, who was reluctant as the other girls, on duty, in principle was loosing out, but eventually she agreed. miaw, politely told me that she had a scar on her left thigh from a motorcycle accident - if that turned me off. before we went. she told me that she didn't have her id with her as she just had returned from pattaya the same day where she had been with some friend and had forgotten her id there. as my hotel required id, she gave it some thought and remembered that she had her passport at her place on soi 16 some where. so we went to get a taxi, and drove "into the back of the suk soi's". on the way she spent 200 bath on flowers from a street vendor. she lived alone in a small room with a small "bathroom". as she was going away to see her daughter she had to close it down. clean up so to speak. for her that meant making sure that her buddha's had fresh flowers, fresh water in the correct bottles, the right pictures in the right places. i was truly impressed. she told me that she had been sharing the place with a friend, but that her friend had stolen her bankcard with pincode and had taken 40. 000 bath from her. she showed me the policereport. at last she found the passport and off we went. at this time i was taken by her. but felt actually sorry for her. actually she made me kind of sad. we walked for a while to get a taxi. when at last we got one i placed 2. 000 bath in her hand, she exclamed "you don't pay me now? ! ". going alone into the taxi i told her that i couldn't take her with me - and went home alone.

so what happened? - well she was so honest and i got to see sides of her life that i shouldn't have seen. she truly made me sad. and that is not the feeling i wanted in bkk. the context beeing that during my two week stay i barfined two girls, was at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] three times, at eden once, and at three massage placed i don't remember. and consider myself a experienced monger. but this was too much.

the next night i went to the same bar to see if she was there. but i knew that she was with her daughter.

i simply love bkk - no other place can get me "high on emotion" as this place. i probably deserve some of the more sharp responces from the isg readers, but i thought that this episode deserved its place.

[size=-2][b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]click here[/url] for directions for posting a link to a specific report.[/blue][/size]

Valevincent,

Good story and there are thousands of more stories out there in Bangkok and elsewhere. The life of a hooker is not glamorous and you will find most of the girls have some kind of emotional scar. Some with more visible ones than others but some girls know how to hide it well. Don't dig in too deep into their lives as it could get depressing.

I think your gesture was a good one. Sometimes you have to walk away by doing something to make a difference that can go a long way. What goes around comes around. Eventually. Maybe.

juices

[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]...What goes around comes around. Eventually..[/QUOTE]
So true, i had a very similar experience 7 yrs ago in LOS, admittedly i wasn't an experienced monger back then, but i've been married to the same girl in that experience for 6yrs now !

Vale, nice story, don't feel bad about doing something nice. Something similar hapened to me in Bali a couple of years back. Girl on the side of the road flagged me down, with a small child next to her. She wanted 5US$ to take care of business. Brought her and her daughter to a small street food stand, bought them food and soda, and left.
Hey it feels better than busting a nut sometimes..........

Meaty, you are married and you monger? I don't get it ;)

[QUOTE=1Ball]Meaty, you are married and you monger? I don't get it ;)[/QUOTE]
You got the right words, just need to mixemup, "I am married, and i monger, [b][i]because[/b][/i] I don't get it" :D
She's a wonderful woman actually, but i am a believer that some things are for those you love, and others are for those you lust. ;)

valevincent, excellent post and your action was the right thing for you to do at the time.

I hear some sad stories from the girls, but I have a built in bullshit detector, kind of a personal firewall. I freely give kindness, concern, and empathy. But my personal firewall prevents me from giving them any significant sum of money. Be kind and understanding but always, always think before you give them your money unless its payment for sex. For every nice guy that helps somebody there is a chump foolishly wasting his money.

I thought a lot of the mongers in here were married??? Hence mia noi's etc etc.... ????

[QUOTE=SidTheSexist]I thought a lot of the mongers in here were married??? Hence mia noi's etc etc.... ????[/QUOTE]SidTheSexist,

Married? Mia Noi's? What the hell are you talking about :) ?


Giotto

Sorry G,
I meant, hence the NEED for mia nois. :D
Sid

Anyone with a heart has it touched now and then. You did the right thing Vv. It happened to me once.

However, if she was that beautiful, you might have got some lovin. Your feelings for her might have made it that much more passionate. I think I might have boned her and given her an extra 2000 tip.

[QUOTE=Valevincent]I probably deserve some of the more sharp responces from the ISG readers, but I thought that this episode deserved its place.
[/QUOTE]
Valevincent,

you definitely don't deserve any sharp response and I am glad to see that none of the below posters did.
You took a short look at her real life, even if you just scratched at the surface.
You acted like a gentleman and proved your good heart. You got my sympathy for doing so.

i was in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] on sunday, strange thing happened though, as i approached the door, a girl 'picked me' very quickly and almost as if she knew i would pick her, to be honest i may have but there were also others i would have picked. anyway the place was packed, all rooms upstairs, 2nd and 3rd floor, were busy, so i sat downstairs and had a coke, 10 minutes passed and it was out turn to go up, we went to the 3rd floor, a big room, couches all around the outside and a toilet, apparently this is a back up room and we had it all to ourselves, so i started getting my kit off, i'm not into the jeans and pants round my ankles, i like to relax :d whilst i am doing this, the 'lady' pulls her knickers off, takes off her shirt and bra, bends over the sofa, sticks a finger right up her arse and turns to face me ???? but this is a bj bar i think, she see's my surpirse and says, "you are khun ******* right ?" huh ? how did she know my name ? i hadn't told her, "yes, i am" "well when you came here the other night, you were really drunk and you said you like this" !!!!!!! wow, note to self, slow down on the drink and at least remember what you get up to ! anyway, i explain that must have been the alcohol, so asked her to spin round, and get on with the bj, but to leave her finger where it was ! great girl, great fun, nice time, must of had at least 30 minutes, not because i'm a stud and lasted, but because she was a pro and made me wait :d i gave her the usual 700 for the bj, and a small tip. don;t remember the name, but doesn't appear i need to !

by the way, rumours of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] opening in hua hin are totally true, 1st of august is the planned date.

[quote=meaty]i was in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] on sunday,,,
must of had at least 30 minutes, [/quote]
meaty, i bet you really had to peel yourself hard off of those plastic sofas after 30 mins on the thing. my usual is 15-20 and thats hard enough!!! :d:d:d
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] first stop, next saturday!!!
sid

[quote=sidthesexist]...i bet you really had to peel yourself hard off of those plastic sofas after 30 mins on the thing...[/quote]
usually yes, but this time my 'lady' laid a bath towel on the sofa for me to plonk my fat, hairy ass on :d

This report is from June 2006. Sorry for the delay and please excuse my memory if the info is slightly off.

Wow! Bangkok is definitely one hell of an entertaining city. My friend, Chris, and I were originally only suppose to stay for six days, but we ended up extending our vacation for another six days because we were having a ball. I now understand why some of you guys have decided to move to the LOS.

After arriving at BKK, I exchange $40 USD into THB at an FX vending machine in the baggage claim area. There are also FX counters staffed by people outside in the arrival area (with the same FX rate). These two places offered competitive FX rates. The reason why I only exchanged $40 USD was I thought I would get a better rate withdrawing money directly from my HSBC account, but it turned out the rates were roughly the same.

Chris and I shared a room at the Majestic Grande. It's a pretty decent place to crash for 2900 THB and to my surprise, we didn't have any problems bringing two girls into our room at night! Breakfast was included in the price and it's only a five minute walk to the action at the NEP. My only complaint is the pool is small and poorly situated if you're interested in getting a tan.

It was close to 12 AM after checking into the hotel and freshening up a little after a very long flight from NYC. However, Chris and I agreed that we couldn't goto sleep until we at least checked out the NEP. We were completely surprised by the scene of all the SWs roaming around and after only five minutes, we were approached by a decent looking girl called Lai Lan. We spoke for a few minutes and after a little haggling, we got her to agree to accompany the two of us for 1000 (we had less than 1500 on us) for LT plus another 500 tomorrow morning in exchange for a ride to the HSBC since she had a car and knew where it was located.

We got her into our room without any problems whatsoever. Once we were in the room, we had a little disagreement on when the payment should be made. She, of course, wanted it immediately and we, of course, wanted to pay it in the morning. But we eventually yielded to her considering how little we were paying. I won't bore you with the usual details, but we took turns banging her over the next hour. She kept telling us how horny she was but when we asked her if we both could do her at the same time, she said no because she was too shy. Hehe, yeah right, Chris and I are also very shy and had there been another friend with us, this little porno would have been a no go.

Despite being tired as a dog, I managed to get one pop out. I tried for a second pop a few minutes later, but it wasn't happening so I decided to let Chris keep her on his bed and goto sleep. I was awoken an hour later because her left. I asked Chris what happened and he said she wanted to leave so he let her go since her departure made more room on his bed. Oh well, 500 saved. All in all, she was a nice girl and kind of fun. Definitely worth 1000 between two people.

Even though we walked around the NEP a couple of more times during our stay, we only bit the bait from the SWs one more time because we liked the action at the MPs more (a FR will appear in the BKK MP section very soon). So on the second time that we bit, it must have been a slow night or something because there weren't that many girls walking around. We bumped into Lai Lan again and since I was feeling pretty horny and the pickings were slim, I decided to take her to the room. Chris also found someone by the name of Be (5'3", blond curly hair, nice tits and a tight ass -- yeah, I know, this description fits about twenty some odd girls). We negotiated 1500 for LT for each of them. We didn't have any problems bringing both of them into the hotel. But unfortunately for Chris, another kind of problem was about to find him soon. LOL.

So once we got back into our room, Lai Lan and I decided to shower first. When we got out of the shower, we saw Chris and Be making out on his bed. I kicked them into the shower because I wanted to get busy with Lai Lan. After only five minutes of sucking on Lai Lan's titties, my buddy comes out of the bathroom with a blank stare on his face. I asked him what the hell was wrong and he just answered by asking Lai Lan, "Why didn't you tell me? " Lai Lan and I looked at each other, confused. She said, "Tell you what? " Chris then points into the bathroom and said, "Why didn't you tell me she's a boy? "

I guess I shouldn't have, but I started to crack up like hell. I guess I sort of got some pleasure out of his misery because right up to this point on our trip, he kept on insisting that he could tell the lady boys from the real thing, just like he could tell black from white. After awhile, Be comes out and said she was going to leave. I told my buddy to give her. Ugh, him, 200 for his trouble and he left.

Chris said that while they were in the bathroom, he wanted to take a shower with Be but Be insisted that he showered alone because he was shy. But after persistently asking, Be finally came forward with the truth and revealed that he was a lady boy. My buddy said that his fun with Be included some serious DFK and ass and titty grabbing. He even said that Be was an awesome kisser. I really can't blame my friend for making this mistake because I also had absolutely no clue that Be was a lady boy (Lai Lan also didn't know Be was a lady boy). As a matter of fact, I saw her a couple of night before she came to our room and I had told Chris that I wanted to bang her. Luckily for me, we were walking the opposite way and by the time I wanted to ask her up to my room, she had already walked too far and I was too tired to chase. So gents, unless you've been in BKK for some time, don't go making claims like my buddy or else you might just follow Chris' faith.

I'm going to post separate posts on the go-go bars in Patpong and CM2 soon as this one is getting too long.

I went to Patpong's go-go bars a few times during my first trip in BKK. The one I hung out at the most was one of the King's Castles.

At first, I was a slightly disappointed that no clothing came off, but I quickly grew to like it a lot. There was something very special about watching 20+ girls dressed in white binikis and the standard issue, black knee high King's Castle boots, twirl their legs, hips and arms around oh so sensually.

On my first visit, I realized that there were a few lady boys among the dancers. I mentally tagged and ignored them and concentrated on the good looking girls. However, by my last visit, I was really confused if any of the good looking girls I had separated out the first time were really girls at all! They were just too perfect... beautiful faces with big eyes and cheeks, slender necks (no adam's apple), long and slender arms, slim bodies and just the right amount of booty, perfect camel toes, etc. But in the end... something just didn't feel right about them! Oh well, I gave up at my futile attempt at figuring it out after awhile and just sat back with my beer and enjoyed the wiggles.

The pretty ones that came over wanted 3000 THB for ST. I tried negotiating it down to 2000, but they were firm with their offer. Since I had already spent myself at a MP most of days I was at these bars, I decided to pass on the offers. I really didn't feel like paying 3000 + bar fine only to find out my junior can't handle the action.

All in all, I had a great time just chilling out here.

BTW - does anyone know where I can pick up some of the Thai house/trance/techno music the DJs play? Names of CDs would be very helpful!

[QUOTE=Meaty]Wow, note to self, slow down on the drink and at least remember what you get up to ![/QUOTE]

I just sent myself a similar note. Will be chuckling about this for a while....

Hi gents, congratulations for the great work on this thread!

This is a subject directed mainly to the BKK-residents: did the new Suvarnabhumi airport get started its operations? Will the domestic flights also be operated from the new airport, or from Don Muang (old one), or from both? Are the transfer means i.e. skytrain/metro already set up?

I've already bought my international and domestic tickets for the next winter and my travel agent in Europe couldn't give any details on this matter.

Thx & keep safe!

Adimondo....

Read the following article from the Post regarding the airport:

[url]http://www.bangkokpost.net/Business/29Jul2006_biz43.php[/url]

juices

i found this report dated march 2006 in the banker's forum and thought it is worth posting here. vasu is a money changer on the corner of soi 7/1 and sukhumvit. if you need to change large amounts, play safe and stay with superrich. they have the best rates anyway. pm me for a namecard if needed[quote=mr. shagmeister]
...i had to change $20,000 into pounds sterling and i wanted to get the best rate possible. i called around the banks and money changers in pattaya and then phoned vasu, an exchange office near skvt soi 9 in bkk that i had used many times before for much smaller transactions. when i did the calculations i was going to save 15,000 baht by going to bangkok, and also they promised that getting hold of english 50 pound notes was no problem. when i arrived at vasu with my girlfriend we were ushered into a small side office. a clerk that i had seen many times before took my $20,000 and started to count it. i myself had counted the cash 3 times and had put it in elasticated bundles of $1000. after a couple of minutes and with the cash now all lumped together the clerk looked up from across the desk and said quite calmly that there was only $16,000. he pushed the money back over to me and indeed there was only $16,000. however, i knew it was a con and i wasn't going mad because 20 elastic bands remained on the desk. i got a terrible sinking feeling in my gut but didn't outwardly show anything. i suddenly realised that the whole buisiness is a set up to get unwitting customers, making large transactions, into that purpose built office. i noticed for example that the desk was much wider than usual and it went wall to wall so nobody could easily cross to the other side. people that carry out this type of sting in thailand are organised and dangerous. i quickly decided that trying to use force would be unwise, they must be prepared for that eventuality. i and my girlfriend could end up injured or shot and maybe i would lose the rest of the money. i decided that the best policy was to get out of there with as much as i could. the clerk counted out the english pounds and handed them to me. i counted the money twice and then examined each note as best i could for signs of forgery. thankfully the pounds were genuine.
so it was that i lost $4,000. wonderful! before anybody slags me off too much i want to explain why this con worked with me. first, this buisiness has operated for many years and i and many friends had used it without problems many times. second, the clerks were not obvious in trying to get my buisiness. they did not offer an unbelievable rate but rather what i had expected, about 1/2 baht better per dollar/baht and the same per baht/pound. third, it was going to be impossible to get a lot of 50 pound notes from the banks in pattaya. i have since been introduced to a chinese money changer in pattaya that could probably of handled the transaction. if i had not been in thailand as long as i have i would definitely have started a fight, but where might that have got me? like i said they must of run this scam many times and they must have all angles covered. if the police were called, and let's face it they are probably in on the con anyway, they would probably confirep001e the $16,000 for some bs reason. they would want to know why a british man was in thailand in possession of so many dollars, even though there was a good explanation i would of had difficulty proving it. when i told a thai friend of mine about this he said that among thai criminal gangs this is a well known scam. the perps would only try it with people that could not make them a serious problem. he added that the gang could have been wanting me to start a fight so that they could steal the rest of the money.
for the record the clerk in question is skilled in counting the money so that some of the notes pile up into a ball in the palm of one hand. he then discreetly pulls this cash a short distance back over the desk's edge. below an accomplice, often a small child, scoops up the money and disappears back under the desk, and possibly through a short tunnel into the next office. to a normal (but cynical) person the slight of hand would be very difficult to detect.[/quote]

One of my heart's secret desires (or not so secret...) is girls who have a bit of meat on their bones, and a biggish bust as well. Conversely, I don't like thin girls very much and I'm normally not willing to pay good money for their company. Now, the worst cliche of Bangkok girls is of course, petite, skinny, small framed, etc. but in my experience this does not have to be so.

During my last visit (separate post) I solved my "problem" by walking into some of the larger gogo bars in Soi Cowboy and telling the staff exactly what I was looking for. They accomodated me by lining up in front of me some of their chubbiest colleagues - usually bar staff and waitresses who, I suppose, had been relegated from dancing because most punters have a different taste from mine. The snag is/was, these girls were often not only chubby but unattractive in a more general sense of the word.

Another option for BBW lovers is hanging out in the bars of Patpong 2, where a small number of large-framed Isaan girls can be found at all times of the day. This, however, is very much hit-and-miss. So, I'd like to ask my fellow mongers: does anyone share my taste? And, if so, do you have any tips to share regarding the availability of young, chubby and busty ladies in BKK?

Priamos,

sorry, can't point to a certain location as chubby girls aren't my cup of tea, but more and more chubby ones can be found everywhere due to changes in food habits. McDonalds, Burger King, Dunkin Donuts and so on definitely already have an impact. Just look around.

[QUOTE=Priamos]One of my heart's secret desires (or not so secret...) is girls who have a bit of meat on their bones, and a biggish bust as well. Conversely, I don't like thin girls very much and I'm normally not willing to pay good money for their company. Now, the worst cliche of Bangkok girls is of course, petite, skinny, small framed, etc. but in my experience this does not have to be so.

During my last visit (separate post) I solved my "problem" by walking into some of the larger gogo bars in Soi Cowboy and telling the staff exactly what I was looking for. They accomodated me by lining up in front of me some of their chubbiest colleagues - usually bar staff and waitresses who, I suppose, had been relegated from dancing because most punters have a different taste from mine. The snag is/was, these girls were often not only chubby but unattrative in a more general sense of the word.

Another option for BBW lovers is hanging out in the bars of Patpong 2, where a small number of large-framed Isaan girls can be found at all times of the day. This, however, is very much hit-and-miss. So, I'd like to ask my fellow mongers: does anyone share my taste? And, if so, do you have any tips to share regarding the availability of young, chubby and busty ladies in BKK?[/QUOTE]

Was in Shark Soi Cowboy yesterday night. There was a very chubby girl on stage. And some others 'half chubby'. If you go later (I arrived =0:30 AM), they are easyer to spot, as the thinner beauties are barfined already.

Your taste is absolutely not mine, but I will keep an eye on this and will tell you if I see one. It might be hard to finde a chubby body with the face of a stunner so. Unfortunately the chubby type is pretty often combined with a less attractive overall.

Massage parlors/ soapies could be another opportunity for spotting your favourite type. Don't have much experience, but the fishbowl in Annie's (the only one I visited) could at least have some in direction of of your taste. And its reasonbable pricing (1500 + Tip), assuming you have limited budget as I understand your post.

regards

Brain666

[QUOTE=Priamos] So, I'd like to ask my fellow mongers: does anyone share my taste? And, if so, do you have any tips to share regarding the availability of young, chubby and busty ladies in BKK?[/QUOTE]

Priamos, I had read sometime ago that Arab mongers tend to have the same preference that you describe. Casual observation seems to confirm that in that I've noticed more curvy ladies in the general vicinity of the Grace Hotel.

Brain, (and Traveller)

Thanks for the advice. I'm not necessarily a "budget traveller" as you seem to think: if I frequent places such as Patpong 2 it is because I like to be in the thick (no pun intended!) of the action prior to making my choice. I much prefer interactive bars to gogos; gogos to MPs; and MPs to appartments. (And, I totally loathe escort services which imply you see a girl first time when she knocks on your door.) So, if you wish to suggest pricier options, please don't feel discouraged... ;-)

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai]Priamos, I had read sometime ago that Arab mongers tend to have the same preference that you describe. Casual observation seems to confirm that in that I've noticed more curvy ladies in the general vicinity of the Grace Hotel.[/QUOTE]
Crazy4Thai,

yep, it's true, but those girls often put too many layers of make-up on their faces, just like many MP girls. That looks disgusting in my book, but taste differs and you can let them wash their face. Don't be horrified if you detect what lies beneath those layers of make-up. :)

Are Petpong and Soi Cowboy different areas ? How far are they from each other ? I am staying in Bangkok for a night and would like go to a place where I can find truly the model quality girls even if that's expensive. Can fellow mongers point out couple of 'high end' clubs. TIA

Priamos, check out the Thermae. You can always find some chubby ones there. And some are good looking too.

Badboy27, Patpong and Soi Cowboy are not close. You need a taxi to to go between these two place. Google a BKK tourist map and check it. For model quality, get an escort agency.

Badboy,

as Duni already pointed out, Soi Cowboy and Patpong are different areas. But use the BTS (trains run approx. until midnight) instead of a taxi, enter at Asoke station, change trains at Siam and leave at Sala Daeng. Patpong 1 and 2 are just a short walk further down Silom Rd.

Thank you for the response, JS! Unfortunately my PC displayed "Bad Request", so I couldn't get the information. Will try "Bangkok Post" from July 29th online.

This is a subject directed mainly to the BKK-residents: did the new Suvarnabhumi airport get started its operations? Will the domestic flights also be operated from the new airport, or from Don Muang (old one), or from both? Are the transfer means I. E. Skytrain/metro already set up? I've already bought my international and domestic tickets for the next winter and my travel agent in Europe couldn't give any details on this matter.

Thx & keep safe!

[QUOTE=Adimondo]Thank you for the response, JS! Unfortunately my PC displayed "Bad Request", so I couldn't get the information. Will try "Bangkok Post" from July 29th online.

This is a subject directed mainly to the BKK-residents: did the new Suvarnabhumi airport get started its operations? Will the domestic flights also be operated from the new airport, or from Don Muang (old one), or from both? Are the transfer means I. E. Skytrain/metro already set up? I've already bought my international and domestic tickets for the next winter and my travel agent in Europe couldn't give any details on this matter.

Thx & keep safe![/QUOTE]Latest info is that new aqirport will be operational on 29 Sept. 2006

[QUOTE=Adimondo]Thank you for the response, JS! Unfortunately my PC displayed "Bad Request", so I couldn't get the information. Will try "Bangkok Post" from July 29th online.

This is a subject directed mainly to the BKK-residents: did the new Suvarnabhumi airport get started its operations? Will the domestic flights also be operated from the new airport, or from Don Muang (old one), or from both? Are the transfer means I. E. Skytrain/metro already set up? I've already bought my international and domestic tickets for the next winter and my travel agent in Europe couldn't give any details on this matter.

Thx & keep safe![/QUOTE]

The airport transfers over on 28th September for all flights to BKK, and yes the new airport will keep the BKK code when it comes online on 28th Sep. There are a few trial flights operating out of the new one, but they are very small in number. All flights domestic and international will transfer to the new airport on 28th Sep. There are no transfers between the airports as they won't be needed.

There is no train service to the new airport, although I do understand it is being planned or is being constructed. I think it is meant to be a dedicated service and not an extension of Skytrain or the Metro.

[quote=adimondo]...did the new suvarnabhumi airport get started its operations? will the domestic flights also be operated from the new airport, or from don muang (old one), or from both? are the transfer means i. e. skytrain/metro already set up?...[/quote]
was at the new airport this saturday with the family, unlike any other airport i know in the world, the perimeter gates for emergency services turned onto car parks as people came to watch the flights, no police or security in sight, there were around 150 taxis doing nothing, but they were all new type, probably just for show. the aiport looks far from ready, there are diggers and trucks still on the runway area, and everything looks half done, but tit. flights did take place, we were sat only 30m from the main runway watching the landing and take-offs, kids loved it.
my understanding (could be wrong) is that all internation flights will move to the new airport, but only thai airways will be running domestic flights from there, all the low cost carriers will be running from don muang (i wonder why!!). there will be a high speed train, independant of the metro and bts, it will run from the airport directly to victory monument, but from what i have seen, only half of the pillars have been completed so far, so it won't be ready for a long while yet.
the weekend of activities was more for show of face than actual operations, everyone involved with the project says theres no way the airport can actually open, but the government are insisting it will be so.

[QUOTE=Priamos]One of my heart's secret desires (or not so secret...) is girls who have a bit of meat on their bones, and a biggish bust as well. Conversely, I don't like thin girls very much and I'm normally not willing to pay good money for their company. Now, the worst cliche of Bangkok girls is of course, petite, skinny, small framed, etc. but in my experience this does not have to be so.

During my last visit (separate post) I solved my "problem" by walking into some of the larger gogo bars in Soi Cowboy and telling the staff exactly what I was looking for. They accomodated me by lining up in front of me some of their chubbiest colleagues - usually bar staff and waitresses who, I suppose, had been relegated from dancing because most punters have a different taste from mine. The snag is/was, these girls were often not only chubby but unattractive in a more general sense of the word.

Another option for BBW lovers is hanging out in the bars of Patpong 2, where a small number of large-framed Isaan girls can be found at all times of the day. This, however, is very much hit-and-miss. So, I'd like to ask my fellow mongers: does anyone share my taste? And, if so, do you have any tips to share regarding the availability of young, chubby and busty ladies in BKK?[/QUOTE]Priamos,

I also lean strongly towards full-figured gals. And I like them tall too, nothing under 165 cm without shoes and preferably above 168 cm. For me, this used to mean that I would have to hunt around Bangkok for days at a time just to find someone I liked. But eating habits are changing and the girls seem to be getting bigger and taller by the year.

This is what has worked best for me in hooking-up with these types:

1. Explore the area around Grace Hotel and the Pub directly across the street. A lot of Middle Easterners hunt here and they love em' chubby. I think most of these girls are very unnatractive but you can find gems with the body types we like. There is a sprinkling of Turkish, Russian, and Eastern European girls around there too.

2. In this area, you can also see a lot of Africans, mostly male but you can often find a few unattached female tourists from countries like Kenya, South Africa, Liberia, or Ghana. I've had a few great GFEs with these. But watch out for the Nigerians, they are usually attached to some guy and often out to scam if they let you talk to them.

3. Regular Thai girls you often see in the malls, around Siam Square, etc. are sometimes chubby but extremely cute. If you've got some charm and have a basic idea about how to approach regular Thai girls in public places, this might be worth a try. I met a very cute and young chubby student in Starbucks this way.

4. Try Kings Corner in Patpong One. I remember there is one very chubby taller girl (168 cm) who works there. I think she speaks pretty good Arabic and basic English. She dances once in awhile but usually she just hangs on the side.

5. If all else fails, go to Khaoshan Rd. and take a shot at picking-up a drunk Farang girl. Of course its not hard to find chubby girls amoung this set.

Good luck.

I have to pity the poor souls who get arrival dates in the first month or so - if it's anything like Denver in the US prepare for chaos.

Eden Club
I know Eden club has been written about extensively on this forum but I thought I would put in the one that I had two days ago. I have not been there before but was aware of how it worked from some of the reports that are here.
I arrived about 4 pm and found Bruce waiting at the door. He immediately explained how it worked and how it was 3600 Baht for 90 minutes with two girls and that they were all did lesbian as well.
They had a lineup within five minutes of me being there with one other guy to choose from the 12 or so girls assembled. The right of the yellow line on the wall was girls who did anal and the left the girls who did not. Not much choice as far as I was concerned as I prefer the fresh younger and less makeup look but ended up choosing a girl of 25 named Ngoc who had a nice face and a decent body. She choose another friend from the group who I would not have chosen normally but I was just there for the experience.

They were friendly and took me up to the room which is small but quite nice and put a porn movie on the DVD Player. One girl took me into the shower and proceeded to lather me up concentrating on cleaning the old fella.

The rest of the time was quite decent with not much in the way of lesbian going on but they both seemed to enjoy rimming me and did a bit of strapon action with each other.
Nothing else particularly special but in the end I was satisfied with my two pops and a little bit of massage in between. They did not seem rushed at any point and were very friendly the whole way through. I would not hesitate to go back and think that the work ethic that has been enforced by Marc who I have been told is admirable and a very good job all up.

Me and my mate.

Day 2 = The Torment of the Prima Donna

So it’s 9am and boy do we feel like shit. You know that old saying, “when your young you can party for three days and need one to recover & when your old you can party one day and need three to recover”? Damnation if that does not start to feel true. I hate that! But we suck it up and head down to Soi7 to the large pool hall. We arrive and what the hell, it’s closed or something. Quick check with the girls and it’s the owner’s b-day. Oh well, we cross the road to one of the smaller places and decide to hang out there until the food hall opens. So we play pool and drink “soda” until 12:30. Two hours of pool and 10 sodas cost us less the 500bht. We head over and Nong is not there, it’s her day off, but her brother is at one of the tables putting on make-up. Oh gee dude! We order a whole squid in lime sauce (Mediocre!), deep fired squid with garlic (V Nice), red curry chicken (Fantastic!!) and rice. This would be about the time we order two pitchers of beer, but somehow the word coke comes out. What pussies we are! Food & drink comes to 500bht.

After lunch we agree that more rest is required if we are going to go for a full FUBR session tonight. (FUBR = fucked up beyond recognition). So my mate heads for the hotel and I decide on a slight variation. Soi 7 ½ for a 2 hour oil massage!

Arrive Soi 7 ½ and immediately this girl from the fist massage place on the right hand side walks out to pitch her deal. Normally I go the place just before Eden Club but her 300bht 1 hour, 500bht 2 hour offer sounds good to me. She’s about a 6 I would say. Nice smile and very friendly. And this part is new to me. She says she and her friends rent rooms across the street in the hotel (forget the name) and would I go there with her. Hell why not. We walk in, past the lobby, up the stairs to the first floor and nobody says a thing. Cool stuff. Quick shower and I am on the bed, she gets undressed as well and the massage begins. Oh and she is not naked you guys! Gee! Panties and bra. She knows what she’s doing to, great massage, good strength and knows all the pressure points. Also, every 15min or so, she slightly massages my balls while I’m face down and my balls plus dick when I am on my back. The result being, I have now had a hard on for two hours. After the time’s up, seeing how hard it is, without a word she just starts stroking. I explode! Finish off with her giving me a shower. Hand her 500bht for the massage and 500bht for the “happy ending”. Absolutely worth it.

Head to the hotel to pick up my mate and we head of to Soi Cowboy. We have dates tonight with Bee and Tuk-Ta. We enter Country Road and do the usual. Play pool and this time we both order beer. Just had to mention that. Bee and Tuk-Ta arrive and joins us at our table. They both seem quite happy. But around 7pm we get hungry and quickly head back to Soi 7 for a TYK, red curry, veggies and rice. Again it’s around 500bht. In the meantime my mate must have received 2-3 sms from Bee & Tuk-Ta, where are you?? Why did you leave??? Are you coming back??? Horny girls me thinks. He’s also been getting sms from other girls in BKK who he met previously. “Baby, you in BKK, why you don’t tell me? Want to party tonight? And of course the usual “I miss you”. He He He. Wish I had his problems.

We’re back in Country Road, play some more pool, drink some more beer, but after a while decide to sit down at a table and enjoy the band and look at some girls. Since Bee and Tuk-Ta are servers tonight they come round every once in a while and tease us a little. Somehow the band are not the best tonight and there is this old & very drunk “Germanic” guy up front keeps requesting shity songs and basically embarrassing himself. You can see the girls giggling and laughing about him. But my mate has bigger concerns. Next to him in the corner is this large barrel of water with a single cup on top. Every 5 min or so a girls walks up, takes the cup, plunges it into the water, drinks a little and the rest water goes back into the barrel. He has started to count now. 1 girl, 2 girls………8 girls and so on. Plus most of the girls seem to be coughing a lot. This is really staring to freak him out. Even all the sms from the BKK girls are not giving hin any enjoyment. After a while Tuk-Ta come to our table and says she has a bad cough, sore throat and is going home. That’s it we’re out of here.

We head up cowboy and finally settle on Midnight Bar. We order some drinks and enjoy the view. We both see this girl that looks a lot like Tuk-Ta but with much bigger breasts. I think we both are fascinated by her. Probably both have a major hard-on for her. Three girls over is a girl I become intoxicated with. All I know is, that night, she was wearing the no. 58.

So anyway, quickly, taking a step back for the moment, here is rule “Number 1” my mate and I live by. Once you see a girl you like and have an instant attraction to, DON’T fuck around!! Get her attention, buy her drink or two, be a nice decent guy and that’s the one you’ll take home. Do not, I repeat do not keep looking around for something better you’ll just fuck it up!!

So it’s girl 58, she is nice, I smile, she smiles back and we have got the old eye contact going. The next thing I know this girl in a very sexy red dress comes up, sits down next to me and says hello. She speaks perfect English although with an American accent, so I have to take back the perfect English part I guess. (He He He, just a joke guys) She is definitely a looker. A bomb-shell would be a better description and my mate agrees. Basically a Prima-Donna. So slowly, bit by bit I move from girls 58 over to the girl next to me. Her name in Min and we go through the usual questions and play the usual games. Her hand is up my trousers and she starts to stroke my dick at the same time my hand is up her dress and she ever so slightly, is moaning. We kiss and she whispers in my ear “I want you tonight”. I bf her and of she goes to get changed. My friend says he’s bored with Cowboy and is heading off to Nana. I have another beer and wait for Min and we’re of to the hotel. Once in my room she strips down and oh boy oh boy does she have a great body. She wants to shower together and who am I refuse? In the shower it’s another bbbj but not to the point of cuming. We move to the bed, some more kissing and she continues with the bbbj, then she wants to ride me bb. But I quickly slip on a “yum yum” and she starts riding me. Then suddenly after 30sec or so I notice this fucking smell. I almost puke! God it’s revolting! I look down and see this build up of a thick white creamy sauce around the base of my dick and her pussy. This is bad! Real Bad! This is the nightmare scenario. My dick immediately goes soft and I just can’t perform. Then she starts laughing because I say I can’t. I push her of me, tell her to take a shower and she can leave! She does not understand and plays all dumb and thinks I am gay or something. I give her 100bht for a taxi and 500bht for her trouble. She thinks I am a rude and a mean farang now but what the fuck! Thinking back on it, I should have just kicked her out naked and thrown her cloths after her. I hit the shower use my mouth wash for ten minutes and half a bottle of special “detol” shower gel.

I sms my mate and as it turns out he’s back in his room without a girl. He comes over with a couple of beers and we discuss the nights event has men do. With lots of swearing and shouting. Fuck it, tomorrow is another day and we more or less take a blood oath and agree that we are going to go full power! Drink and fuck until we drop dead!

To be continued, with Day 3 = BKK is shut down & sex party in the hotel.

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for directions for posting a link to a specific report.[/blue][/size]

There were so many things I had planned, but sometimes the best plan in BKK is no plan. Here's a quick recap of my most recent visit ..

Day 1 - Arrived late in BKK just after midnight, and had just enough time to get to NEP and pickup up a Rainbow girl on the 1st floor. I saw a lot of the usual eye candy on stage and one of the waitresses brought a girl over. Cute face, but did not have the tight body of some of the other hotties up on the stage and she would not have been my first choice. She cuddled up to me and did some marvelous stuff with her lips and hands, that "talked" me into bar fining her. I am glad I did. We had a great night! My welcome to BKK moment. Jam was a gem.

Day 2 - At around 4:00am in the wee hours of the morning, I awoke to the feeling of Jam's hands in my boxers and my 2nd welcome to BKK moment! Lol! This lead to session number 2! After working off some calories, we had room service breakfast and I told her she could sleep in. It was still about 6:00am and as usual when I travel to the far east, I had trouble going back to sleep. I think most of you know what I'm talking about. I know Sabai Sabai massage is 24/7 and knew Tak (rhymes with Duck) and I went to visit her and had an early morning massage. I had Tak before and she works the late shift which for her normally ends at 7:00am in the morning. Basic oil massage with hj at the end. FS is available if you take out. Since my guest Jam was still in my room, I stayed with the massage with happy ending. Tak was wearing a cute pair of white shorts that hugged her butt. While she was playing with my balls and giving me the hand job, I slowly worked the shorts down to her knees. I worked her pussy with my fingers and she got sooooo wet. She's a cutey and is worth a visit. 500 baht tip. She will ask for more, but be firm but kind. I think 500 is adequate reward for a hj.

Back to the room from Sabai Sabai, Jam was still sleeping. I went back to sleep for a few hours and when I awoke I saw Jam off. She gave me her number, but hey this is BKK, there were more experiences awaiting! The damage was 2,000 baht. A bit too much .. Maybe .. But no haggling and unlike some other Nana girls, she never talked about money.

In the afternoon I picked up a free lancer at the Beer Garden on Soi 7. Nee was a bundle of energy and provided more cardio activity than my heart could take! Lol! We then went to the Emporium to catch a movie and have some dinner at the Cafeteria. Great deal there, as 100 baht covered food and drink with change. Did not think it would be enough, but Nee assured me it would be fine and of course she was right. I went back to the hotel (Dynasty Inn Grande on Soi 6) for a power nap before my late night session.

Later in the evening I hit Soi Cowboy and hit several of the bars. I ended up picking up a stunner at Long Gun. Took her back to the hotel and had a great time. I stayed with the ST option as it was still early enough for both her and I to seek out other options. I went back to Nana and ended up in the Rainbow bar on the 2nd floor. I bar fined a looker, and she was great, but she was the one and only mercenary type I had on this stop in Bangkok. Once she was done, she was rushing to get back to the bar. The Rainbow bar on the 2nd floor is full of girls trying to pull off the J-Girl look. Very obvious which clientele they are trying to target.

Day 3 -
In the morning, I went to the Exchange and Internet shop near the hotel. I was reading an e-mail from Sailing, who I would see in Tokyo and just then 2 hotties walked in. I quickly noted my luck in my e-mail and in my hurry I now see that I typed in 3 instead of 2 in my excitement. Lol! There was one that I was definitely more interested in, but had some time to kill while re-charging my batteries, so I bought them breakfast and we went off to shoot some pool. Once my batteries were good to go, I took one of them back to my room and had another great session. She had just the greatest butt on her, which was clearly on display with her short shorts. Was not disappointed when I got them off. A before noon quicky set me back 1,000 baht. Not a bad deal.

In the afternoon, after a short nap, I went to the King and I Spa on Soi 12. It's more of a legit massage place, although I am sure it's a YMMV thing. I was hitting my first wall, so just a massage was fine for me. Cost was about 800 baht. It's a very nice place and very relaxing. The massage was great, so I would recommend it if you just want a great oil massage. After the massage, I went down the street to Cabbages and Condoms for lunch. Great place to eat and would highly recommend it if you have never eaten there. Might be a bit touristy for some, but I enjoy their selections.

Later in the evening, I met up with an esteemed member of the board and he was most generous in showing me around for the evening. A very cool guy now living in Thailand, who speaks fluent english. Knows his stuff! We visited the Colonze 2 soapie and I had another great time. I picked out an angel and off we went for a nice bath and fs. DATY really got her going and we had a great session. Silky soft skin and a definite GFE! After the Colonze 2 session, we were off to a hostess bar called the Pent Executive Club. A change of pace venue for the eye candy. We had a good time drinking and checking out the stunning girls there. It's on 31/1 Vittayu road, Lumpini Pathumwan. Phone 0 2655 3890-2. Many thanks to him for showing me around for the evening in one of the coolest cities in the world.

Day 4:
I went to Akane Fashion massage on Soi 33 and had Miho. She was one of the better looking girls there. The lineup was not that strong, but I do enjoy the massage and release there. She was very friendly and had a good bod, so it was a nice session. A nice rub and tug as they say. Total damage was just under 2,000 baht for the lingerie/nude massage and tip (1,450 and 500).

I had lunch and off I went back to the hotel or so I thought. I passed Nana and stopped at Hillary II for a quick game of pool and a drink to cool off. As I was awaiting my turn, two Isaan cuties smiled and I smiled back. It's just so easy here. They walk over and what should have a short pit stop turned into 12 hours of pool, drinking, dining, dancing, and of course sex. First came the 4 hours of pool and drinking. Later I bar fined both of them and we left the bar. I was only interested in one of them, but her friend was very cool too, so WTF. We went back to my room to shower and re-charge. We then went to Hillary I, which was having a party. We had more food and drinks, and a fellow hobbyist was hitting on my "dates" friend. We were laughing and telling her to go for it, but apparently he was not her type. Lol! We ended up at Angels (Nana) Night Club and danced the night away. We said farewell to her friend and spent the rest of the evening in bed not sleeping. I must say, there were a lot of lookers at Angels, but I was more than pleased with the "shy" angel that I had.

She played the "shy" game at first, but alittle DATY and she warmed up real fast. A great late night session and a cool morning session as well. Paid her a 2,000 baht tip and told her I would see her later that evening.

Day 5:
After the morning session with my Hillary II sweetie, I went and did the tourist thing for a few hours. I went to Angel massage in the afternoon and I must say they have a very good selection. There's a small room on the right as you go in and they sit/stand in a circle around the room. You stand by the doorway and make your selection. After Angel massage, I went back to Hillary II and spent the rest of the evening with my "shy" girl on my last night. We just clicked and I could not pass up on a 2nd evening with this sweet thing. In the morning, I said my good byes and went off to the Airport and on to my next stop in Japan.

What a great trip! Time just goes by too fast in this town and so many of the places that I wanted to visit or re-visit never made it on to my itinerary. Sazanka was on the list, but never made it. All for the best though, as there will be other days.

AT2

[QUOTE=Dinghy]I have to pity the poor souls who get arrival dates in the first month or so - if it's anything like Denver in the US prepare for chaos.[/QUOTE]

Well, I'm arriving on November 29th, so if they delay the opening another 2 months, that's going to put me in on the first day. Hopefully, I can cram all my stuff into a carry-on and a personal item, to avoid getting it lost in baggage handling.

Oldbuthappy, Jc373 and Meaty,

Thank you gentlemen for the updates!

I don't think my Bangkok experience can add anything decisively new to this distinguished forum, but, in any case, here are my 2cents for what its worth.

Several times in the past, I picked up uzbek girls for LT from Grace.

We used some of our free time at night to browse the internet and find info about Uzbekistan. It seemed the girls liked it; in particular, they really enjoyed uzbek songs.

Some of these songs are about homeland, parents, etc, and very intense. I noticed that some of these girls would change after listening these songs and become more friendly (GF enhancement) and, the chemistry is adjusted. Some of their initial stories are altered, some new sad stories are told, and, importantly, girls may stay longer. For one of them, I played the song several times because she wanted to write down the words. Overall, enjoyable time.

I took note of the bar ratings at Nana that someone posted a few weeks ago and decided I would do my own investigating as I usually like to see things for myself. First I will start off with all of the Rainbow bars. They are basically all the same design and all of them were packed when I went in. I stayed a Rainbow 1 for a beer but I found it kinda bad for checking out the merchandise. Basically the place was packed and the same girls dance in the same spot non stop. So if you dont like the girls your looking at Tough shit! So as you can see I quickly left there not to return to any of the rainbow bars. Basically too not make this too long and boring....Im just gonna mention the bars that caught my attention. The first one was Angel Witch. This bar is my 2nd favorite. They have shows of varying themes all the time and they have lots of girls of all shapes and sizes. The one thing I didnt like about this bar the girls were a little aggressive and you had to almost shoo them off like flies. Otherwise the chicks are nice and the bar has a great atmosphere. My favorite was Carnival. It had a nice atmosphere and best it had lesbian shows. I mean two chicks were up on stage under a shower eating each other out!! I hadnt seen full nudity in Nana shows but I have now. The shows are more explicit then the ones at Angel witch, so if you like nudity head here.


As for Soi Cowboy........I went there briefly on Saturday. The best bar was Long gun and the most disappointing was Suzy Wong. I had heard so many good things about Suzy Wong and it was pretty crappy. The chicks werent that nice and the music sucked. I went into a bar named Tonys and they had one chick who must have been over 40........She was terrible.....It was the quickest U turn I ever did.


So after a short visit to Soi Cowboy it was back to Nana.........



I will have to spend some more time @ cowboy before writing about it.....I cant remember how many times I been to Nana though or The Biergarten for that matter.


Cheers



RM

[QUOTE=Dimension]
Several times in the past, I picked up uzbek girls for LT from Grace.

Some of their initial stories are altered, some new sad stories are told...QUOTE]

It's not surprising these girls tell sad stories, they are trafficked by one mob or the other, usually the Chenchen mafia. I know Isaan farm girls don't have the same options as a Harvard MBA graduate, but compared with the unfortunate ladies at the Grace, Thai girls, no matter how poor, have infinitely more control over their lives.

Also, if you're a farang who walks tall and proud, you're not very welcome at the Grace.

Evil

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]
It's not surprising these girls tell sad stories, they are trafficked by one mob or the other, usually the Chenchen mafia. I know Isaan farm girls don't have the same options as a Harvard MBA graduate, but compared with the unfortunate ladies at the Grace, Thai girls, no matter how poor, have infinitely more control over their lives.

Also, if you're a farang who walks tall and proud, you're not very welcome at the Grace.

Evil[/QUOTE]
Evil P - I agree about the trafficking and control issues - to varying extents same thing happens in Dubai.

Not sure what you meant in your last sentence. Can you explain?

[Quote 1] Also, if you're a farang who walks tall and proud, you're not very welcome at the Grace. [Evil Penivel]

[Quote 2] Not sure what you meant in your last sentence. Can you explain? [Piper 1]

I think Evil P means that if you're American, and resolutely so, these days you may not feel welcome in the midst of a large group of partying Arabs. I experienced rather the same - though under radically opposite circumstances - during my last stay in BKK, which happened to coincide with the attacks in the London Underground. I stayed at Majestic Suites which, as you know, have a lot of visitors from the Gulf countries, and when they realised that I wasn't particularly upset about what had happened (I'm sick and tired of this this "War on Terror" and to some extent felt that the Brits had brought it on themselves...) my co-tourists decided that I was their best friend in the world. - Needless to say, this is not exactly the kind of accolade I appreciate. But, again, I suspect that a proud Yank in Grace Hotel might experience rather the opposite reaction from the locals.

I was surprised to find out that some of these girls not only leave with a few other
"colleagues" and mamasan, but also share a bed, sleeping next to each other (4 of them). She said that she gets so tired in the morning that she doesnt care.

[Quote] "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them." [Evil P]

Don't make it personal, Evil P. Not so long ago many people in Boston walked around with badges saying "Support the IRA". I'm sure most British people, who'd had hundreds of their compatriotes blown up by the Republicans, found this unpleasant. But it wasn't an insult. Not any more than an Arab person these days deciding Osama is a hero and W is a criminal. You and I might agree that such persons are seriously misguided, but... their strong emotions are hardly conjured up to insult us.

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel] Actually, I probably never would have walked into the Grace back in 2005 if I'd have known the customer base had shifted so decisively. I've been down some dark alleys in my time and poked my nose in a lot of weird places, but never, never, ever have I stared into so many Charles Manson eyes as I did that night at the Grace. The hatred was so thick you could bottle it. I definitely felt my presence wasn't appreciated.[/QUOTE]Evil P - your poetic licence has expired! Hand it in pardner, as well as your John Wayne badge. ;)

(Trivia fact: - John Wayne's real first name was Marion - what a girlie. :))

Living and working with many Arabs every day, I probably wouldn't blink if I walked into Grace and found it full of Arabs, and certainly wouldn't feel threatened. I work with educated Arabs/Moslems, who are more refined, tolerant and non-racist than most educated Westeners I know.

In my "secret life" late at nights, I often rumble (sometimes literally!) in Grace-like places with working class, tough-looking Arabs/Moslems, who are actually friendly, generous and gentle men (and f*cking good pool players!). All are welcoming of westerners.

Of course, there's always an extremist minority in any religion/race (look at Mel Gibson and his old man's bizarre sect).

I tried visiting Grace last October, prompted by one of your vivid and colorful posts on the fine establishment, but it was closed for renovations - has it re-opened yet?

I hear the Russian/CIS girls in BKK just don't compare to some of the stunners in Dubai. C'mon over one day for a look-see!

Since all my trips to Thailand are spent with the family in Pattaya, when in Bangkok my time there is short basically in Transit. Arrivals are usually on NW or Cathay so time in transit could be 8 hrs to 24 hrs before heading to Pattaya. My stays now have been narrow down to staying at Nana Hotel although I could afford a little more somewhere else. This keeps me close to the train and everything else within walking distant especially the massages legal or not. But the 4 main reason I stay at the Nana, not in specific order of importants! The Bus Stop, The pork chop at the Nana resturant, the all you can eat breakfast that comes with the room plus newspaper and finally the Angel Disco at the hotel.

The Disco more than the parking lot has been somewhat of a jackpot during my last few visit. Although the entry fee has gone up to 500 baht, I look at it no more than a bar fine for a girl. I get a drink with the entry and I get to listen to some good disco music, sit, drink, and watch the ladies come in and out and dance. Personally my last few visit at the disco the girls seem to be getting better and better. My last trip before and after Pattaya there seem to be a group of girls that come in around 11pm that included some hotties.
The biggest drawback is that I don't like to negotiate price and most of the hotties wanted 3,000 baht which I decline and ended up taken my second choice or 3rd choices for 1500 Baht. But I never have had any regrets because the 2nd and 3rd choices have been great!

Does anyone who visits the disco have the same reaction. And last being at the Nana affords me less time getting back to another hotel. Out the disco and up the elevator to the room.

My next transit stop will be October 25, 26,? See ya at the disco!

Piper1,

Yes, the Grace disco has re-opened. You can find middle eastern, uzbek and uzbek/russian girls (blame it on the direct Tashkent-BKK flight). Some of the russian girls looked like from the southern CIS (at least they looked different from those in Moscow). I noticed a couple of decent quality russian girls, unfortunately, good items disappear fast. I agree with you that the average quality is not comparable to that in Dubai, neither is the average price.

As for the atmosphere in Grace, I didnt find it intimidating, though I dont look like a Harvard MBA graduate. I agree with Evil Penivel that some men in the Grace look at you in a somewhat different, unusual way (I wouldnt say hostile, though), but since you have worked with Arabs, you dont need an advice from the rookie like me.

LitleBigMan said "Does anyone who visits the disco have the same reaction."

Yep. In fact, your second paagraph pretty much described exactly what I expect the two nights I will be spending in Nana Hotle later this month to be like, because that is what the last few nights I stayed the were like.

I only went in the Grace Disco once, and that was two years ago so attitudes may have changed, but I felt no hostility whatsoever. Mostly curiosity. However, i was bored and left after an hour.

have been here in bangkok for almost a week so far and nothing new in particular to report other than the usual pit stops of infamy. on all my previous trips here i have the normal two weeks to get in all the fun that my body and mind could manage and by the time i finally dragged my hurting body on to the plane i am ready for a 20 hour flight in which sex is not possible, but this time around i am in for a longer haul – around five to six months in which i plan to spend a big chunk of it in thailand and bits and pieces in other locations around asia. so i am approaching this trip with a very different sexual perspective – partly because my limited budget dictates that to some degree and also because i want this to feel more like a “normal” life except that i get laid every now and then with young attractive women. so it’s no longer an all-day hunt with my nose to the ground in search of my next interlude - no longer scouring the sidewalks of sukhumit at four in the morning looking for one last desperate score before i turn off the lights for good. now i go to the movies, do a little shopping, take long walks, go swimming, get in some reading, hit a few tourist spots that i have avoided for years – all without thinking that i am wasting time that could be better spent looking for the next one – the next perfect small body, the next giggle under the sheets, the next “where you come from”, the next reluctant blow job, the next widening of eyes upon entry, the next release, the next enduring memory.

still i am in bangkok and so have been indulging from time to time in my favorite sport other than baseball. i plead guilty to being more than mundane in my search criteria – i am a victim of the sukhumvit circle – a sucking vortex that keeps me a prisoner between the small boundaries of nana at one end and soi cowboy at the other end and of course all that lies between. in the past i have rarely wandered outside of this mental playground and never really felt the need to – if you can’t find what you need sexually here to keep you happy for two weeks you need counseling. but this time i am hoping to break out of this imaginary force field but need to do some research in these pages to see what else is available (other than patpong which i gave up on years ago). there must be lots but few seem to write about it.

so thus far i have just been doing the usual rounds – the nana disco, the nana parking lot, the beer garden, grace hotel, nana plaza, the thermae and of course the streets that at certain times of the night just come alive with the moving, pulsing forms of willing flesh. mixed results and impressions so far. i haven’t been overwhelmed by the quality for the most part – so many of the girls look tired, shop worn and fearful that time is catching up with them. time doesn’t treat many of these girls kindly. i have come across two women that i went with back in the mid-90’s – both of them adorable back then – incredibly full of life and at the top of their game. i would have to guess that they can’t be more than their early 30’s at the most now but both could easily be mistaken for forty and not a good gong li forty. it breaks my heart to see this – the ones that get left behind, that never find that falang in the sky, that never go home, that never got out of the life when they could have and are now sentenced to this forever or as long as they can still occasionally find that drunk customer who sees them through a haze of alcohol - but most nights i see them sitting alone at the bars thinking perhaps this will be the night when they recapture their youth again even if just for a short few hours - before finally trekking home as the light begins to creep out and thinking that tomorrow will be different – an old lover will show up and still think of them as they once were when the whole world seemed to be their oyster.

i was coming across so few women that made my gonads dance that i was wondering if i had lost my taste for thai women – but then today i spent a few hours in the mbk plaza mall and damn just one hottie after another – hundreds of them coming at you in waves – all far out of reach of course but at least i knew it wasn’t my taste that has changed. if mbk was a giant brothel i would never leave. so here is a brief report on my sexual doings as few as they are up to this point.

the first day i got in around 4:30 in the afternoon and crashed for hours before waking up to get to the nana disco by midnight. it is much calmer in there this time around – fewer women, fewer customers. it used to be nearly impossible to maneuver around after midnight it was so crowded but not so far in my 3-4 ventures in there. entry fee is 400 baht with a drink thrown into the deal. hard to guess how many women are inside – 70, 80? maybe more, maybe less? just less than there used to be and many fewer standouts. they stand on the sides or wiggle on the dance floor while others sit at tables and look unapproachable. i can’t figure out the table sitters. they never look at all interested in finding a customer – just sit with their friends and drink and laugh and never glance around. i found two friends on the side and took them upstairs – 1500 each – both 22 and decent but not great. one i had been with 2 years ago and she had put on a great show for me then but now she showed a surprising lack of willing intimacy – didn’t want to kiss and wasn’t particularly keen to bj without a condom. in fact, when it was her turn to do so she picked up her friend and placed her gently on my face so that i couldn’t see her mild attempts at engaging me orally. still i finished with the friend and sent them on their way. every night they want a repeat but i just shake my head no – in the case of a raging thunderstorm and no one else being around it’s a possibility but only then.

the next night i hit thermae and after hearing a few positive reports on this board i had hopes that it was returning to its days of glory, but the pickings were mediocre – not even as good as it was 2-3 years ago when they had a coterie of young sweeties who hung out around the jukebox and danced. i remember doing every single one of them over one trip, but they have moved on i guess. there were some 7’s among the crowd but the vast majority would be 4’s and 5’s. last night i returned again and was eyeing up a group of four attractive friends who showed up – not bad at all – and then a couple young japanese guys showed up and these girls went all a fritter as if they were in the presence of rock stars – and they were all over them like a wet blanket and i moved on knowing i wasn’t going to be with any of them that night. i will continue to check it out from time to time to see what drags itself on shore, but i don’t have high hopes. i made it back to the nana disco and found myself a good one – tip – a little sweetie from issan whose wide smile i could see clear across the room and upon closer inspection i discovered these big brown eyes that made my knees buckle. she gave me a smile and i was helpless. it turned out to be a terrific choice – extremely friendly and loves being touched and kissed deeply. much to my surprise she turned out to have a lovely pair of breasts that had remained well hidden in her attire. after spending considerable time paying attention to them, she accused me of choosing her only because of her breasts – not true but now that i have them i plan to give them the proper respect they deserve. i took her the following night as well and went looking tonight but she wasn’t around – i have to be careful with this one or i could get hooked.

i have breezed through a couple of the go-go bars in nana plaza but have taken nothing out yet. with my budget i can’t afford it often and will try and keep it to once a week at most. rainbow ii had a lot of cuties and after catching the eye of one diminutive young thing on the dance stage who showed some promising cleavage i quickly paid my bill off and cleared out before she got off the stage and came over – there was no way i could have said no to that. one other night i went up to the hollywood bar on the third floor – at least that’s what i think it is called – just go up the stairs on the left and keep going up. it was my favorite place last year for just viewing the girls who actually seem to be having fun compared to most of the go-go bars where they tend to stare vacantly out and hop from one foot to the other in an imitation of dance. i only did one pair from there last year and it wasn’t very satisfactory. i liked their attire as well – short skirts with loose white unbuttoned shirts that allowed the occasional glimpse of a lonesome nipple. now they have put pasties on and take off the shirts – not nearly as sexy actually but certainly it leaves little mystery about the size, shape and firmness of their breasts. there were a lot of girls that met my basic criteria – small, cute, flat stomachs, firm and young. i will definitely be back and have a few in mind already. the cost i was told by the mamasan was 600 bar fine and 2000 for the girl. once a week sounds about right for me.

i haven’t taken any from the beer garden either and in fact have had no afternoon trysts so far. i think i have swung by too early because there has been nothing i have seen that made me even stop to have a drink - a quick walk around and out the door. but i know from past experience that you can hit days like this and then all of a sudden you come across a cutie that feels like a floating mirage in the desert. and since i am not a message parlor guy or a likely candidate for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s this is still one of the few afternoon places to find something. i am slowly in the process of collecting phone numbers from the good ones and will use those to fill in some lazy rainy afternoons.

the nana parking lot has been the source of my other finds so far. the parking lot is an odd collection of women – many that just have no right being in the business and others that are pretty damn fine. they start collecting in the early evening and as the night approaches midnight it gets busier. in fact, i love hanging out on the front street there and just watching the world go by – the girls, the guys, the farang women, the flower sellers, the touts, the food vendors – all weaving in and out in this fascinating collage of life that feels like it should be painted by toulouse-lautrec – captured somehow for posterity. “darling where you go”, “how much you want short time”, “up to you” conversations float around like balloons waiting to be popped. there may be no place like it in the world and i love to just breath in the sounds, smells and sights and let them seep into my brain. i wish i had a giant tv screen at home in which i could watch the action unfold every night. the best looking ones line up on the sidewalk outside in front of the hotel – almost all with dyed blonde hair and in their early 20’s and looking fit and fun. guys walk by, chat for a bit, bargain and move on because the girls all seem to be asking for 1500 baht. even the young japanese usually put up one finger for 1,000 and then move away. eventually though someone gives penance to their price and off they go. i did myself. for two of them. two nice ones who turned out to be knockouts in the nude – you never really know till that moment of truth and i have found myself trying to get aroused in front of slumping breasts and stretch marks more times than i want to guess. but these two were close to perfect – small of course in frame but oversized in beautiful breasts – one with large dark nipples that always rattles my cage. unfortunately, their performance didn’t quite live up to the promise – one didn’t want boom boom because she was too small and i was too big she said – sure big, like a white lie. the other didn’t want to smoke – so i would have to be smoked by one and be boom boomed by the other. ok. maybe i should have renegotiated at that point but my penis was quickly in the one girl’s mouth and it just didn’t seem like the right time to bring up the subject. still in the end both were very good at what they agreed to do and fairly sweet in nature and so i just paid them off. tonight i ended up with the bj point person again – i asked her how she could possibly do other farang (who believe me are much larger than i am on average i would guess) and she told me she usually only went with japanese. well she promised me some boom boom tonight if i took her – “only little little please”. ok – i am more of a bj guy than a boom boom guy anyway – but it all turned out to be true – she was incredibly small and as much as i tried to enter her i just wasn’t able to without pain appearing in her eyes and after a few minutes i gave up the ghost and settled for a lengthy and satisfying oral fix. they go by em and cookie – “good to eat” she told me. there was another one from the front i went with – a tiny girl – and that was decent though she complained that i was taking too long – which was true – but she never gave up trying but at some point i did. there are just times like that. she was only 1.000 baht.

and that’s it for now - six days, six different girls, two doubles – nothing to be proud of but this time it isn’t a race to the finish line but a long marathon for me. i will be interested to see if the simple joy of being around these women begins to wear thin over time – will i hit periods when all i want is to be on my own and away from it all – go weeks without any. i guess i will find out but for now it’s not bad at all and the thought of doing this for the next many months makes me feel very relaxed. “you happy?” one girl asked after finishing. ya so far i am.

so any suggestions thrown my way of other places to hit are welcome. also, in front of the nana after 2am a bunch of guys always try and get me to go to after hours clubs but i don’t know anything about them and don’t want to get ripped off. are these worth the effort? also anyone know a good place in the sukhumvit area that sells good breakfast baked goods - cinnamon croissants and butterflies - there was a place in the nana plaza last year but its gone.

Nice report. Both the Marriott and Landmark hotels sell a good selection of the baked goods you are looking for....a little pricey.

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]This report was deleted because the content of the report could [u]potentially incite a flame war[/u]. This action is in no way a reflection of the merits of the author's remarks. [i]Thank You![/i][/blue][/size]

[QUOTE=DRRonin]Also, in front of the Nana after 2am a bunch of guys always try and get me to go to after hours clubs but I don’t know anything about them and don’t want to get ripped off. Are these worth the effort? [/QUOTE]
The usual ones in that area are Sin bar, almost opposite Annies, but closer to Soi 4, walk through a door and go straight up some stairs, and also the Rooftop Bar or garden, on top of Sukhumvit Plaza, which is on the opposite side of Sukhumvit before you get to soi 1.
Both are pricey, but not rip off places, I personally would find them on my own rather than go with a tout. There are touts in cowboy that want to take you to a bar near MBK that they say has FL's and disco and pool tables, never been, couldn’t work out quite where, they said it was a Thai place but very farrang friendly, the guy wanted to take us there in a taxi, but we had a car, he had no problem coming alone with us 4 guys in our car, but the one of our group was overly sceptical so we didn't go, really don’t know if this is a rip off, or a genuine place that send touts out for commission.

Hey guys,

I'm off to Bangkok next year and want to know prices?

What should i pay for:

1) full service in my hotel till mroning.
2) short time in hotel room.
3) massage time.

A very nice report. I like your writing style. Keep on!
Things get better here after Jackson has moved most of the Kindergarten to the Thailand fight club.

[QUOTE=Spank You Too]Hey guys,

I'm off to Bangkok next year and want to know prices?

What should i pay for:

1) full service in my hotel till mroning.
2) short time in hotel room.
3) massage time.[/QUOTE]
Sorry guys, but he is so sincere (with 6+ posts, I don't know where) I have to answer this.

1. 6,000 - 8,000B plus tips + breakfast + taxi money
2. 3,000-5,000 B plus tips plus Taxi money
3. 2,000 - 3,000 B per 30 minutes rounded to the next 30 minutes.
4. Spanking the monkey in LOS - priceless

[QUOTE=Duniawala]Sorry guys, but he is so sincere (with 6+ posts, I don't know where) I have to answer this.

1. 6,000 - 8,000B plus tips + breakfast + taxi money
2. 3,000-5,000 B plus tips plus Taxi money
3. 2,000 - 3,000 B per 30 minutes rounded to the next 30 minutes.
4. Spanking the monkey in LOS - priceless[/QUOTE]

Duniawala;

You cheap Charlie! I never pay less than 10,000 baht for an all nighter! lol!

AT2

[QUOTE=Spank You Too]I'm off to Bangkok next year and want to know prices?[/QUOTE]
So spend the next 4 months RTFF !! Come on, help us to help you, the prices today and the prices next year will probably change (allbeit slightly, but thats not the piont). With 4 months before arrival you have plenty of time to give the threads a good scan and without doubt answer your own questions. In fact if you bothered to scroll down and read DRRonins excellent post (on this page) he answers 2 of your questions.
MP prices vary so much from 800 baht for 2hrs, to 25,000 baht for 1.5 hrs depending on who and where. Seriously :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Spank You Too]Hey guys,

I'm off to Bangkok next year and want to know prices?

What should i pay for:

1) full service in my hotel till mroning.
2) short time in hotel room.
3) massage time.[/QUOTE]

To add some serious answer as well.

If you will have time until this year, you should read this forum on a daily basis. Information is nowwhere so easy to find then here in the Thai Forum. Hundreds of active members have already contributed what you are asking for.
Just read it, read it and read it.

For a base knowledge start with the reports od distiction section which gives you the base.

Why don't you do some homework for us as well: You study the posts and then summarize them in your own report and asked for confirmation:

e.g.: " I found out the following
1) ST/LT rate from Streetwalker girls is xxxx/yyyy
Goo Goo Bar giirls in Soi Cowboy i: xxxx/yyyy
.....

3) massage time is :
2 h at AAAAAA for xxxx
90 min at BBBB for

If you do like this then the members here are better willing to answer this then to ask for easy available information.

regards and start to contribute

Brain666

Below is a map of Soi Cowboy and a map of Patpong, bars come and go, especially the smaller ones, but these look pretty up to date, especially the Cowboy one as Apache has only been open 6-10 months.

Well, DRRonin, I stand and applause - a magnificent report, so well written.

As much as a turn-off Patpong might be, over the years I've enjoyed two beauties from Safari Bar who would match your expectations. Sure the bar is a little tame, but that's it's point of difference (especially in Patpong!). It has a pleasant atmosphere, no-one's too pushy and the girls at least appear genuinely attentive. It'd be nice if they could move past the thai-girl-go-go-shuffle but I'm prepared to compromise. And some of the girls are genuinely quite beautiful (without having to worry about the danger of bar-fining more than you bargained for!). Like you, a big smile from a petite, young little thing and I'm gone. I haven't been there for 18 months but will be back in 4 weeks with every intention of exploring once again.

I wish you well with your exploration of BKK and all it has to offer.

Pulse

I'm in Chiang Mai this week and Bangkok next week. I've never really been into the whole "scene" before as I've been too freaked out about all the diseases. But, since I'm on vacation, I want to test the waters a bit and have a little fun (ie a massage with some extras (but not the full meal deal) or a show / dance, etc). Basically, I'm looking for something that would nicely "ease" my way into the scene.

Any suggestions on places for little innocent me would be appreciated

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Brain666]
Why don't you do some homework for us as well: You study the posts and then summarize them in your own report and asked for confirmation:

If you do like this then the members here are better willing to answer this then to ask for easy available information.

regards and start to contribute

Brain666[/QUOTE]

Good post-One thing I will not understand is why we get these posts asking for info that is easily available in the thread. When I went to BKK a couple of years ago I spent weeks reading the past postings, almost memorizing it word for word. And it was a pleasure to do so. Pre-trip reasearch can be almost...well not really but...almost as much fun as the trip. And if a new member can come on here showing that he is willing to do some work, chances are that he will post some good reports.

Enough of my rant though. I just wanted to say here, here.

Great report. You covered everything I like to talk about--from the same old haunts to what it would be like to spend an extended holiday in Thailand--to does Thai girl fever wear off. I am familiar with your handle so I know I have read your work either here or on other boards. This has to be your finest work yet. Looking forward to hearing more of your long vacation in Asia.

I hope you won't mind my posting your report in the Reports of Distinction section.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Good post-One thing I will not understand is why we get these posts asking for info that is easily available in the thread. When I went to BKK a couple of years ago I spent weeks reading the past postings, almost memorizing it word for word. And it was a pleasure to do so. Pre-trip reasearch can be almost...well not really but...almost as much fun as the trip. And if a new member can come on here showing that he is willing to do some work, chances are that he will post some good reports.

Enough of my rant though. I just wanted to say here, here.[/QUOTE]
Angus, in some circles, we call it laziness, though I agree with you. To go back 30 pages, and read over a week long period, using cut / paste, is a great way to get so much more information than asking a question.
spank 2u has been a member for 2 1/2 years, has 7 reports. Did I mention it is called laziness?

[QUOTE=Inukshuk]....I want to test the waters a bit and have a little fun (ie a massage with some extras ......"ease" my way into the scene ....[/QUOTE]

A massage parlor would probably be the best way to go. You can go as far as you want there. You choose the girl and any extras will be your choice. You wouldn't be too affraid to get a Hand Job from a beautiful nude massuse, would you? I would recommend that you get a Soapy Massage.

Go here: [url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1421[/url] and spend an hour reading the posts going back about a year. This is what is refered to as RTFF (Read The Fuckin' Forum). The answers to 99% of all your questions are already in there. Forum members often get agrivated when new members don't bother to do a bit of reading to answer their questions. Hense the RTFF comments.

Do some reading and if you stiil don't find what you are looking for, ask again. Please post a report of your experienses so that others may benefit from them.

nocbj4me

[QUOTE=Meaty]Below is a map of Soi Cowboy and a map of Patpong, bars come and go, especially the smaller ones, but these look pretty up to date, especially the Cowboy one as Apache has only been open 6-10 months.[/QUOTE]Why does nobody talk about Cactus. The place rocks and it is not on your map. If it is too much of a secret, then let me know and I will delete this port.

[QUOTE=Inukshuk]I'm in Chiang Mai this week and Bangkok next week. I've never really been into the whole "scene" before as I've been too freaked out about all the diseases. But, since I'm on vacation, I want to test the waters a bit and have a little fun (ie a massage with some extras (but not the full meal deal) or a show / dance, etc). Basically, I'm looking for something that would nicely "ease" my way into the scene.

Any suggestions on places for little innocent me would be appreciated

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

When in Bkk, there is the famous Soi 33, home of the infamous Livingstone's Lodge and many bars and massage parlors.

Bars: stay away from Renoir, Monet and Office AND Sports Bar at Livingstone's- they're rip-off joints, over charge, bad service. Pretty much the others are worthy to visit and buy some ladydrinks, etc.

Massage Parlor - one that has come highly recommended is the newly opened Teen VIP Massage - make sure you ask for 'Guitar': she is hot!

T1234, what can I say, other than
BESTARD.

[QUOTE=1Ball]T1234, what can I say, other than
BESTARD.[/QUOTE]

Can you give me similar recommendations for Bali :D

Don't go to Bangkok. Forget it. You will be corrupted. Or, go and stay at the Lodge and seek advice and counseling from the Pimp and/or the Gimp.

juices

[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]Don't go to Bangkok. Forget it. You will be corrupted. Or, go and stay at the Lodge and seek advice and counseling from the Pimp and/or the Gimp.[/QUOTE]JuiceSpike,

Bestard! LOL!

My advice would be: Go to Bali :D !


Giotto

[QUOTE=DRRonin] Also, in front of the Nana after 2am a bunch of guys always try and get me to go to after hours clubs but I don’t know anything about them and don’t want to get ripped off. Are these worth the effort? Also anyone know a good place in the Sukhumvit area that sells good breakfast baked goods - cinnamon croissants and butterflies - there was a place in the Nana Plaza last year but its gone.[/QUOTE]


Enjoyed your report!
I just returned from an 8 month adventure in Thailand, much of it in BKK. I've had some experience with the afterhours clubs. Of course you'll find way more ladies prowling the streets at these hours, but if you like a party atmosphere, music, dancing, drinking expensive drinks, 180 bt beer, you can have a great time. I experience dancing as foreplay so almost always have a great time. I also put more emphasis on mutual chemistry than stunning good looks, so I rarely go home alone. One woman that I took out of Nana Disco I've nicknamed Dancer of My Dreams. I took her to after hours place when we closed up Nana. It was one of the best nights of my life. Tequila Dragon on 7/1 is one place. Another is in the alleyway between soi 5 and 7. Ask the ladies, they know where they are. My first experience was thru a taxi tout. High priced drinks, jai lai mamasan pushing her small stable. I momentarily fell in love with a real beauty there. 1000 bt to take her out, 2000 to her. NOT my usual style but it was gooooood.

chok dee kop

c4t

[QUOTE=Spank You Too]Hey guys,

What should i pay for: [/QUOTE]

That's almost an impossible question to answer. It's like asking what you should pay for a hotel room or a meal in Bangkok (or London or New York or wherever). There's a huge range of choices, it depends on what you want and the thickness of your wallet. There's no one price for a lady's company, any more than there's one price for hotel rooms or for a meal. But as others have pointed out, read the reports in this thread and you'll get an idea of the range of prices for S/T or L/T. But unless you're hurting badly for money, don't worry about getting the rock-bottom prices you sometimes read about.

[QUOTE=Inukshuk]
Any suggestions on places for little innocent me would be appreciated

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

A visit to the Eden Club would permanently cure you of your innocence. But it is like jumping in at the deep end of the pool. It's the major league of mongering.

Evil

This map of Soi Cowboy omits two of the best (with full nudity) ~ Sheba and Dollhouse!

Just trying to help, no flames please

[QUOTE=Giotto]JuiceSpike,

Bestard! LOL!

My advice would be: Go to Bali :D !


Giotto[/QUOTE]
G, you bestard! My advice, go to Cleveland. :(

Thanks guys for all your lovley words, I'm glad you were all so helpfull. Indeed I will start to contrubute, I'm new so I'm getting there.

I have been studing this for about 3 months now but I wanted to also ask. But there again I must have miss understood that this was A HELPFUL forum for people to SHARE infomation without getting there nickers in a knot.

None the less I'm happy to take the criticisim on board and will contrubute as soon as I get some experience

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]A visit to the Eden Club would permanently cure you of your innocence. But it is like jumping in at the deep end of the pool. It's the major league of mongering.

Evil[/QUOTE]

Evil,

Inukshuk's already in LOS and hasn't gotten any so far! He probably can't handle Eden quite yet.

nocbj4me

just to give an update for the good breakfast & bakery lovers like dr ronin:
on sukhumvit: crepes & co > soi12 after passing darling & cabbage and condom you will see the oval yellow sign on the right side of the street, inside very quiet and relax ambiance. there they have good bakery basket but you better look at the different formula they are doing like : simple breakfast, strong breakfast and brunch. it is also a very good mediteranean restaurant: a big choice of salad copious salad, a large range of salty crepes(french pan cake ) and exeptional marocan tajine and coucous.

around chit lom bts: cafe lenotre > lang suan rd: top french bakeries and pastries, a bit pricey but may be the best in bangkok.

on silom> take the sky train to sala daeng: la boulange > opposite patpong 2 it's convent rd, look on the right side after the adidas shop. a very good range of french bakery but more on the budget side this time, they also have a restaurant (bistro like and inexpensive).

for after parties, there is something like 4 of them just on sukhumvit area, at least, the sukhumvit plaza roof top is one of them, but often raided by the police for them to close on time and also for drug testing ( if they ask you to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] in the little bottle, that's what it's for).
there is also 2 others enter soi 5 and soi 21, always full of fl, drinks are not over priced and the music is ok, one of them is at the 3rd floor and even have a separate room with pool tables, entrance 150 bht, the other one is on the ground floor and free entrance.
don't need to worry with the tuk tuk and taxi who want to bring you there, just keep in mind that they have nothing else to do at this time, so they all gather to these late closing places as people there don't stop to go in & out, but play it safe when being drunk and alone like everywhere else.

hope this help.

enjoy

yoyo

Thanks for all the heads ups on the bakeries and after hour clubs - I will definitely report back on them - well the clubs anyway - after getting to them. The one in the alley is I assume the club right across from where I do my internetting. Right now I am not sure which I would prefer - a tasty cinnamon bun or a girl. Jet lag finally caught up with me the last two nights and I missed Friday night completely and last night woke up around 2:30 am and groggily walked out to the parking lot and grabbed the first one that appealed to me. Big mistake. As mechanical as a time piece. I was even taking too long in the shower and she came to hurry me up - not a good sign and worse was to come. 30 seconds of smoking and she wanted to move on to step 2 - I pushed her head back - 5 seconds and her head pops up again like its Groundhogs Day - we go thru this a few more times before I give up and move on. By this time I felt so bored I just wanted this over with. It's always hit and miss and you just have to take the mediocre experiences in stride and not let them slow you down. Sometimes you can go thru stretches of good and bad - two year ago I hit a streak of such great ones that I wanted to play the lotto.

I should probably count my blessings that in the sleepy state I was in she didn't have a dick. Somehow I forgot to mention that special ingrediant to the Nana Parking lot scene in my other report. None of them tend to actually come into the parking lot - perhaps management has told them not to after a few screaming customers - but they hang out in front - particualrly across the street and just wave at you and make suggestive mouth motions. They are hard to miss. They have tits. Big ones. Hard like a blown up football. Every now and then I catch myself admiring them before I realize what they are and then go, oh shit. I have always assumed in the past that most of their business came from either drunken falangs or naive boys right out of Idaho who have never heard of such a thing and can't wait to tell their buddies back home about this big breasted Asian woman they scored with - but after a few days of observation it seems fairly clear that they have their own niche market - guys who come over here to do Ladyboys. And hey, why not - whatever floats your boat in this crazy world. But I have seen older obviouosly sober and experienced guys chat them up and go off with them - one guy with 2 of them the other night. Later they might say they didn't know but I don't believe it for a minute. I would just be curious to listen in on the conversation - do they specifically want ones that still have it or ones that have let it go I wonder? Is the market that defined - guys who do LBs with and those without? I will likely never know. Anyway I hope to keep my eyes awake tonight and find a good one to wash out last night's bad taste.

Thanks again.

[b][i]Huh??[/b][/i] The SC map is a bit [u]dated[/u]. Shark Bar, Spice Girlz, Deja Vu?... the beer bars on the corner of Suk & Asoke were plowed down a while back.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=49803[/url]

[QUOTE=Meaty]Below is a map of Soi Cowboy and a map of Patpong, bars come and go, especially the smaller ones, but [b]these look pretty up to date, especially the Cowboy one[/b] as Apache has only been open 6-10 months.[/QUOTE]

[quote=meaty]by the way, rumours of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] opening in hua hin are totally true, 1st of august is the planned date.[/quote]

[url]www.lolitashuahin.com/[/url]

[quote=yoyohpw97]just to give an update for the good breakfast & bakery lovers like dr ronin:
on sukhumvit: crepes & co > soi12 after passing darling & cabbage and condom you will see the oval yellow sign on the right side of the street, inside very quiet and relax ambiance. there they have good bakery basket but you better look at the different formula they are doing like : simple breakfast, strong breakfast and brunch. it is also a very good mediteranean restaurant: a big choice of salad copious salad, a large range of salty crepes(french pan cake ) and exeptional marocan tajine and coucous.

around chit lom bts: cafe lenotre > lang suan rd: top french bakeries and pastries, a bit pricey but may be the best in bangkok.

on silom> take the sky train to sala daeng: la boulange > opposite patpong 2 it's convent rd, look on the right side after the adidas shop. a very good range of french bakery but more on the budget side this time, they also have a restaurant (bistro like and inexpensive).

for after parties, there is something like 4 of them just on sukhumvit area, at least, the sukhumvit plaza roof top is one of them, but often raided by the police for them to close on time and also for drug testing ( if they ask you to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] in the little bottle, that's what it's for).
there is also 2 others enter soi 5 and soi 21, always full of fl, drinks are not over priced and the music is ok, one of them is at the 3rd floor and even have a separate room with pool tables, entrance 150 bht, the other one is on the ground floor and free entrance.
don't need to worry with the tuk tuk and taxi who want to bring you there, just keep in mind that they have nothing else to do at this time, so they all gather to these late closing places as people there don't stop to go in & out, but play it safe when being drunk and alone like everywhere else.

hope this help.

enjoy

yoyo[/quote]

i think there are enough good places to eat in bkk, that it would fill an entire thread. lol!

at2

Just returned from a week in Bangkok and thanks to information I got from this great site, I had a wonderful time. Just wanted to share my experiences.

I was on business trip but certainly made time for fun. I checked out the various areas: Patpong, Soi Cowboy and Nana and definitely preferred Nana Plaza. You can find girls in all three places – either at the go-go bars or just roaming the streets. A lot of them also work the various pool halls and bars. Since I was told that most of the go-go bars are state run and controlled, I somehow felt a little better chosing girls from those places rather than trying to save a few bucks from a girl roaming the streets. I stayed at the Banyan Tree for most of the nights (due to work) which is further away, however did move to the Grande Majestic for the weekend (which is right next to Nana). The Banyan Tree is a nice 5-star hotel and I was a little nervous about bringing girls back, however, I had read on this board that hotels, including the 5 stars, specialize in "hospitality" rather than "morality" and thus there was no problem. Though the Grande Majestic was nice, I might stay at the JW Marriott next time, which looked a little nicer.

Initially, I visited several go-go bars in the 3 areas mentioned above, but found myself ending up at Rainbow 4 in Nana several times thereafter. It was quite large compared to the other bars, as it had two stages with about 120 girls (spread out over 3 shifts). I realized that the latter you arrive, the worst the selection gets. The first time, I did not arrive until after midnight, and almost all of the bars close down at 1am, thus the selection was not too great (about all that was left was what I call the “filler girls”, that is, girls who aren’t really pretty and haven’t been chosen (bar fined) since 2003 but the bar needs them up on stage to give the appearance that the stage is full so guys will come inside). Also, the weekend nights had much better selection then Mondays and Tuesdays.

In talking to the girls, the house gives them 50 baht (about $1.20 US) for each drink that is purchased for them (which is about $3 US), but does not give them any of the bar fine you have to pay to take them for the evening (usually around 600 baht). Most of the girls receive a salary of about 10,000 baht each month. I was also surprised to learn that the girls can refuse to be bar fined – not sure if that’s true but that’s what I was told.

I know that some prefer getting several girls in each night or just having sex, however, I preferred taking a girl out on the town, and have her show me around (the local scene). My advice is that you select a few girls (separately) to have a drink with you until you find one that is “in” to you (and can somewhat speak your language). After the first night, my friend and I would each select a girl early (around 10pm) and head out for a night on the town. We ended up going to several underground establishments that stay open past the 1am curfew and also got to experience the local club scene at RCA (Royal City Avenue). We went to a club called Hollywood (or Hollywood Awards) and had a great time. We would either eat at a local establishment or order room service back at the hotel. The first night, I had a gorgeous girl named Bing and we had a great time, however, she didn’t really provide a GFE (no kissing, no shower together, etc.). The second time, I had a girl named Jing (note: coincidence that the names rhyme) who provided a complete GFE. Of course, I didn’t take a large enough sample to be scientific, but I would say that the prettier ones probably are less likely to provide a total GFE.

As far as money goes, well, Bing wanted 2000 short term and 3000 to stay until morning. Since it was already 5am and she had to leave by 10am I gave her 2000 (primarily because I wanted to sleep in). Jing never asked for money – she ended up staying with me until the next afternoon – however, was very thankful when I gave her 3000 baht. I’m certain she would have been happy with much less. Keep in mind that most of these girls share a 1-bedroom apartment with 3 other girls 30 minutes from the city, so taking one back to a luxury hotel with A/C and ordering room service at 3am and again at noon is probably something they do not get to experience all the time.

One interesting moment (out of many) was when I had asked a girl to have a drink with me. She was nice and only stayed a few minutes before asking whether she could return dancing up on the stage. I thought it was strange because 1) girls hate to dance on stage and 2) the idea is to drink with me to make money and possibly have her bar fined. After bar fining another girl and walking out in front of her, I couldn’t help notice the look of shock on her face. Apparently, since I was dressed in shorts and a tee-shirt (because it was so hot out) and look like I’m 29 years old, she must have thought I had no money (e.g., backpacker) amongst the more properly dressed and much older clientele.

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for directions for posting a link to a specific report.[/blue][/size]

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has gone to the no hand restaurant. I searched the forum and did not find anything about it. Is it worth it ? How was the service?

Thanks for any info,

Peter

[QUOTE=Peter Den]Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has gone to the no hand restarant. I searched the forum and did not find anything about it. Is it worth it ? How was the service,

Thanks for any info,

Peter[/QUOTE]

according to experts - it doesn't exist

Well this report is a few months (4) old but I thought I share it anyways.

Before I arrived, I tried to book at several hotels but they were all booked, guess it was high season at the time. Ended going to royal asia hotel, walkable to NEP but kind of a far hike. They had their own tuk tuk guy who dropped people off at the main street. Checked out the NEP. Went to Rainbow 2. About 5 to 8 girls on stage standing around. It was early in the night and not that crowded. Ordered a drink (125 bt) and watched the girls on stage. One in particular caught my eye, she was a hotty. Told one of the waitress there I was interested in her and she came over. She didnt talk much english but that was ok. Waitress asked if I wanted to get her a drink and I said sure. After drinks came waitress asked if I wanted to BF her. I asked how much, the BF was 600 b I think. So I agree and she went back to change and off we go, she asked where I was staying and I told her, but she never heard of it. Asked if I wanted to go upstairs but I said to go to my hotel room since its better, didnt want to pay extra $$ for the room upstairs.

We take a taxi back but taxi guy went down a road that was a dead end. He said he can do a uturn and go other way but its going to take awhile since lots of traffic, so he suggested we just hike the way back. We agree and left.

First thing we do when we got to the room is take a shower (seperately). Then we sat on the bed for a bit, was tired from walking lol, and watched some tv for about 5-10 mins. Then she asked me something in Thai, couldn't understand but when she did the hand motion , I said yes and she began to give me a cbj. She did a good job and soon we were in missionary position then doggy. It was great. We did other positions.

After we were done, I asked her if she wanted to stay the night, not sure if she understood but she said she wanted to go back so I paid her and we said goodbye. wished I could have spent more time with her but I had to fly out the next morning.

took this picture of her from my cell phone.

[QUOTE=Peter Den]Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has gone to the no hand restarant. I searched the forum and did not find anything about it. Is it worth it ? How was the service,

Thanks for any info,

Peter[/QUOTE]


I have never been to a no hands restaurant, but it is by most reports a disappointing experience. Supposedly there were better variations some years ago. I have no idea if the Galaxy is still operational, but here's a link to the Web site and I've attached a photo.

[URL=http://www.galaxyentertainment.freeservers.com/index.html]Galaxy No Hands[/URL]

It's always been a concept that has appealed most to Japanese and other Asian men. I don't see the thrill in having a girl - whether fully dressed, scantily clad or buck naked - feed you. Supposedly in the old days, a girl would perform oral sex under the table while you were being fed, but that sounds truly bizarre - a blow job WHILE you are eating real food? No thanks.

Of course, if you are determined to experience no-hands dining, it can easily be arranged with just about any BG's or FLers. Just ask.

Evil

Aren't the prices a little bit lower ?

600 bht barfine plus 3000 LT more drinks, makes this a 4.000 bht adventure which just seems too much.


[QUOTE=Poker Man]Just returned from a week in Bangkok and thanks to information I got from this great site, I had a wonderful time. Just wanted to share my experiences.

I was on business trip but certainly made time for fun. I checked out the various areas: Patpong, Soi Cowboy and Nana and definitely preferred Nana Plaza. You can find girls in all three places – either at the go-go bars or just roaming the streets. A lot of them also work the various pool halls and bars. Since I was told that most of the go-go bars are state run and controlled, I somehow felt a little better chosing girls from those places rather than trying to save a few bucks from a girl roaming the streets. I stayed at the Banyan Tree for most of the nights (due to work) which is further away, however did move to the Grande Majestic for the weekend (which is right next to Nana). The Banyan Tree is a nice 5-star hotel and I was a little nervous about bringing girls back, however, I had read on this board that hotels, including the 5 stars, specialize in "hospitality" rather than "morality" and thus there was no problem. Though the Grande Majestic was nice, I might stay at the JW Marriott next time, which looked a little nicer.

Initially, I visited several go-go bars in the 3 areas mentioned above, but found myself ending up at Rainbow 4 in Nana several times thereafter. It was quite large compared to the other bars, as it had two stages with about 120 girls (spread out over 3 shifts). I realized that the latter you arrive, the worst the selection gets. The first time, I did not arrive until after midnight, and almost all of the bars close down at 1am, thus the selection was not too great (about all that was left was what I call the “filler girls”, that is, girls who aren’t really pretty and haven’t been chosen (bar fined) since 2003 but the bar needs them up on stage to give the appearance that the stage is full so guys will come inside). Also, the weekend nights had much better selection then Mondays and Tuesdays.

In talking to the girls, the house gives them 50 baht (about $1.20 US) for each drink that is purchased for them (which is about $3 US), but does not give them any of the bar fine you have to pay to take them for the evening (usually around 600 baht). Most of the girls receive a salary of about 10,000 baht each month. I was also surprised to learn that the girls can refuse to be bar fined – not sure if that’s true but that’s what I was told.

I know that some prefer getting several girls in each night or just having sex, however, I preferred taking a girl out on the town, and have her show me around (the local scene). My advice is that you select a few girls (separately) to have a drink with you until you find one that is “in” to you (and can somewhat speak your language). After the first night, my friend and I would each select a girl early (around 10pm) and head out for a night on the town. We ended up going to several underground establishments that stay open past the 1am curfew and also got to experience the local club scene at RCA (Royal City Avenue). We went to a club called Hollywood (or Hollywood Awards) and had a great time. We would either eat at a local establishment or order room service back at the hotel. The first night, I had a gorgeous girl named Bing and we had a great time, however, she didn’t really provide a GFE (no kissing, no shower together, etc.). The second time, I had a girl named Jing (note: coincidence that the names rhyme) who provided a complete GFE. Of course, I didn’t take a large enough sample to be scientific, but I would say that the prettier ones probably are less likely to provide a total GFE.

As far as money goes, well, Bing wanted 2000 short term and 3000 to stay until morning. Since it was already 5am and she had to leave by 10am I gave her 2000 (primarily because I wanted to sleep in). Jing never asked for money – she ended up staying with me until the next afternoon – however, was very thankful when I gave her 3000 baht. I’m certain she would have been happy with much less. Keep in mind that most of these girls share a 1-bedroom apartment with 3 other girls 30 minutes from the city, so taking one back to a luxury hotel with A/C and ordering room service at 3am and again at noon is probably something they do not get to experience all the time.

One interesting moment (out of many) was when I had asked a girl to have a drink with me. She was nice and only stayed a few minutes before asking whether she could return dancing up on the stage. I thought it was strange because 1) girls hate to dance on stage and 2) the idea is to drink with me to make money and possibly have her bar fined. After bar fining another girl and walking out in front of her, I couldn’t help notice the look of shock on her face. Apparently, since I was dressed in shorts and a tee-shirt (because it was so hot out) and look like I’m 29 years old, she must have thought I had no money (e.g., backpacker) amongst the more properly dressed and much older clientele.

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for directions for posting a link to a specific report.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Montecristo]Aren't the prices a little bit lower ?

600 bht barfine plus 3000 LT more drinks, makes this a 4.000 bht adventure which just seems too much.[/QUOTE]

He's talking about 3,000 baht for super L/T (until the afternoon). Even 3,000 baht for a Nana stunner until 10.00 a.m. would be very reasonable. Remember, he barfined the young lady at around 10.00 p.m., which means she's spending a lot of hours with him. Many, many BGs will want to leave at 6.00 a.m. or 8.00 a.m. at the latest. Alot of them have families they want or need to get back to, hence the hesitancy in even agreeing to L/T.

But Pokerman is right. If you can offer the girl something special, she's more likely to want to stay L/T because she considers the experience in and of itself compensation for her time. The breakfast buffet at a "cheap charlie" hotel isn't much of an inducement.

Evil

You certainly can pay much less if you visit one of the pool bars like Hillary or Hillary II. Street walkers can be had for as little as 500-1000 baht. I just wasn't into the street walker scene. I'm a conservative guy and prefered the sense of safety (whether real or not) that the [supposedly] state-run go go bars emit. The girls there are on salary/contracts and aren't going to do anything stupid or try and pull a fast one on ya.

Yes, it was for super long-term - we're talking until the early afternoon so you have to figure all of the different sessions that take place during all that time. Granted, some girls cant stay if they have to get home, have a family, etc. Keep in mind that very few of the girls are actually from Bangkok (I didn't meet a single one). Most are from places that are hours away and they send most of the money back home.

If you get to a place early enough and get a real hottie who's lots of fun the price can definitely be worth it.

[QUOTE=Montecristo]Aren't the prices a little bit lower ?

600 bht barfine plus 3000 LT more drinks, makes this a 4.000 bht adventure which just seems too much.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=I'm a conservative guy and prefered the sense of safety (whether real or not) that the [supposedly] state-run go go bars emit. The girls there are on salary/contracts and aren't going to do anything stupid or try and pull a fast one on ya.[/QUOTE]None of the bars are "state run" , maybe they are owned by cops , but not by the state.

BD

Hi,

A question from a couple of Aussie's in Bangkok.

My friend (a lesbian) and I are in Bangkok, we went to Sukhumvit Road last night, went to Hollywood and some other bars.

Are there any good clubs which cater well to lesbians, she's a pretty 21 year old so and not into butch girls, but her experience last night was less than satisfactory, She bought a lady drink for a girl at one of the bars and they chatted for just a bit before the girl went off dancing again.

What should my friend expect when she buys a lady drink ? I know from my experience I get cuddles and sometimes kisses and lots of come ons, but my friend had nothing like that.

Any advice would be appreciated. We are in the area for about 2 weeks so if anyone wants to meet up with us then send me a private message.

[QUOTE=Wolfsheim]Hi,

A question from a couple of Aussie's in Bangkok.

My friend (a lesbian) and I are in Bangkok, we went to Sukhumvit Road last night, went to Hollywood and some other bars.

Are there any good clubs which cater well to lesbians, she's a pretty 21 year old so and not into butch girls, but her experience last night was less than satisfactory, She bought a lady drink for a girl at one of the bars and they chatted for just a bit before the girl went off dancing again.

What should my friend expect when she buys a lady drink ? I know from my experience I get cuddles and sometimes kisses and lots of come ons, but my friend had nothing like that.

Any advice would be appreciated. We are in the area for about 2 weeks so if anyone wants to meet up with us then send me a private message.[/QUOTE]I suggest that your friend tells the girl that she likes girls, not men. They will understand and if the girl she is talking to doesn't feel the same way, ask her to find a friend who does.

Cheers,

AsianDiver

[QUOTE=Wolfsheim]Hi,

Are there any good clubs which cater well to lesbians, she's a pretty 21 year old so and not into butch girls, but her experience last night was less than satisfactory.

What should my friend expect when she buys a lady drink ?

Any advice would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]

Lesbianism is not widely accepted in Thailand and Thai girls are going to feel uncomfortable with it in public. There used to be some ladies in the Huntsman's Pub that catered to couples and women in particular. If they are still there, I don't know because I haven't been there for a while.

Your friend shouldn't expect anything when she buys a lady drink. Remember, Thailand caters to men.

This one does women. This pix dates from 2004, however, she does come once in a while to Thermae about 10-11 pm.

[QUOTE=Wolfsheim]

What should my friend expect when she buys a lady drink ? [/QUOTE]

Most of the bars will have a girl or two who "does" women. But it is best to ask the mamasan, or least one of the girls, about it up front, as suggested earlier. It's unusual, but certainly not unknown, for a farang girl to go to a gogo or FL bar in the company of a male farang. The TGs won't assume the farang lady is looking for a sexual experience, as most farang women just go to a bar to be able to say they/ve been.

Evil

[size=-1] Remark/ Warning: This is not a porn script, but rather a long report about me in Bangkok, so be prepared to read some time about my impressions, right as experienced incl. feelings etc. if you are interested. If it is to boring, which might be the case for some of you, then just leave it. There might be several reports like this, but this is how I experienced Bangkok as an individual. [/size]

Before I start with my Bangkok adventures I want to say, that this is my first tip to Thailand and Bangkok, even if I am already in the ‘second half of the middle aged’ visitors.
Mongering wise I am quite some experienced and I come around in the world, mostly for business. I prefer to add some (privately financed, never cheat my company) erotic toppings when the business is finished and if occasion is there. Not a must for hunt, but opportunities are taken.

Now to Bangkok where I could almost stay 1 week just for holiday. Like a business trip preparation I was deeply RTFF and made a plan of many places I wanted to visit. I can say in advance that I didn’t cover either half of that what I had in mind, mostly because my body does not allow to produce shots every 3 hours over the whole day, and also because the LT girls tended to stay longer as expected, which increased the No. of sessions/ girl rather then the total number of girls. I come up with an analysis of this.
I envy Asien Traveler 2, whose report shows how efficient he uses his 5 nights in Bangkok to cover a huge schedule. I couldn’t manage it that way even if my plan was similarity ambitious.

[b]Day 1 Thursday night: Arrival and first night [/b]

Lets start: Arrival was 23:45h last July Thursday night. A long way to walk in this airport until you reach immigration. That was quickly done (< 10 minutes) and within minutes I had my suit case to breath first Bangkok air. Less humid and less temperature then I expected.
Taxi stand (no cuing) with metered and controlled process (+ 50 Baht). The driver didn’t ask for Expressway. Road was anyhow almost empty.

I had booked Livingstone’s at Sukhumvit, Soi 33, well known in this forum (Giotto’s thread is all about Livingstone’s). Taxi driver found the road of course (gave him the printed map from the website), but not Livingstone’s, we passed all along and only on return we saw the entrance. Ok, I was welcomed by Giudo and I got the famous Room 115 with the double Jacuzzi. (special about hotel will be added in the hotel thread). Suit case was put up and as it was already 1:00h, I headed down to do a first inspection.
My condition: I was almost completely on sleep, as I didn’t sleep more then 4h totally the last 2 nights due to working and suit case packing, also started to head the plane directly from work. So not the condition to have a companion this night, if I wanted to be ok tomorrow.

Bar was almost closed, but I could still get 2 beers, some girls were leaving. An Aussie guy and a Livingstone’s girl jumped in the pool. Outside was only one girl left, named Fon (very very cute), who started some of the typical basic conversation. While talking (yes she speaks English, but not so fluent). The others finished swimming, so what to do? The Aussie friend wanted to pick some food. The girls said that they are not allowed to go outside with customers without being barfined (house rules). Ok, so barfine. Fon said hastily to me, if I would consider sex, that she can’t do tonight (good girl, to make that clear before the barfine!), so probably tired, monthly day’s, I am the wrong one, or whatever. I said it’s ok for me, I am tired too, but barfine and no sex ok.
The girls went with us just outside to one of the street vendors. I like this atmosphere, had to avoid it in India and was a bit concerned about the typical things, like ice cubes etc, what we westerners are usually warned of. But tried the food which was some warm staff and a hot Isan salad + other small dishes. Generously I offered to pay for all 4, which was just 160 Baht in total. So back to the hotel ‘long time’. Me and Fon both just slipped under the cover and fell asleep immediately at about 3:30h.
The next morning, better 4h later, waking (a bit) up, I would have been ready for some action seeing the nice body next to me. But she continued sleeping until about 9:00h when she started to leave. I didn’t do an intensive try to change her opinion about sex. The day was mine anyhow.

[b]Day 2 – Friday - The exercise can begin[/b]

Stayed in bed for more time and went to breakfast 11:30h. At 14:00h went to buy sky train pre paid card and moved to nana station to pass nana plaza and head to my first target this day: Annie’s Massage. Annie’s Massage had mixed reviews positive an non positive, but it was rather often mentioned, so I wanted to give it a try. Passed nana plaza, easily found Annie’s on Soi 4, but first headed to a German type restaurant right next to the parking lot to drink a beer there.

[u]Katoey alarm: [/u]
In this restaurant, half my beer down, I was approached by a woman which I thought was a eastern European one, but she said she is Thai. While speaking, I was not attracted at all by her and still wondering how strange a Thai could look like, suddenly I noticed some other signs. Voice a bit dark, some hair around, even if she wanted to put her for sure silicon tits into my sight, suddenly my internal bell rung: Katoey alarm (!!). I am almost sure, ‘she’ was a katoey, but even as a woman, ‘she’ was far away of what my taste is, so I finished the beer quickly and left the restaurant. Brrrr, lucky wise I kept ‘her’ on distance all the time anyways. Asked even for a tip! For what? Annoying me? Didn’t ask her to come over either. Headed to Annie’s now to let rub down the rest of breath by some real girl.

[u]Annie’s: [/u]
As said many mixed reviews here. Went in and there was the fishbowl filled, but quality was not in the way that I could choose from a huge range of my favourite taste. Chose a slimmer but taller one as best close to my taste and off we went to the room. Room is not really fancy, but similar as I know from Korean Anma’s. The girl Miss A was older then in appeared in this fishbowl, but ok for me due to her figure. Rating: Face 7, Body 8. She started with washing me and then moved to the bed for a massage. The soapie experience was not there and she seemed to expect that I just want to fuck, as probably many customers do. But she did a massage, which was pretty good after my previous stress days. We then went to the intercourse starting with a BBBJ. Would rate the BBBJ as a 7,5-8, yes experienced and not bad, but I had better ones, but also somehow in the range I expected, cant always expect to hit a new BBBJ high score. We changed to fucking (covered of course) with several positions. In total a long session, having skipped the soapie, but it took a long time until I could come, but finally managed. The fucking was about a 7,5 as well. Then shower again and clothes on. Gave her a 500 B tip, but she looked a bit disappointed, saying no 1000? I said 500B ok and she guided me out. The girls had their brake time.

[u]Nana Plaza walk through: [/u]
As just nearby I walked through Nana Plaza from around 6:30h. Had a completely different imagination about the Famous Nana Plaza in size as well as style. Thought it is in a closed building, 3 floors full of bars. But actually (ok newbie) it’s a court yard, in the middle open air and on the side 3 floors (incl. Ground) ‘ranking’. Looked much run down the place, not being dark yet. Walked around the 1st and 2nd floors. All the bars and GoGo spots seemed so small compared to my imagination before. In my thoughts I have studied previous maps and thought they are about 3-5 times bigger then they are. Ok, I walked through Nana Plaza. It was not so busy inside any of the bars at this time (Friday 18;30h, maybe start of business), only the beer bars at the entrance and some on the ground floor have been somehow (50-60% occupation) busy by farangs, Asian tourists and of course girls. Didn’t want to settle, because I was hungry and wanted to combine that with a check of the famous Beergarden at Soi 7.

[u]Beergrarden Soi 7 and FL pickup. [/u]

So first time beergarden for me: Don’t know the old place and the atmosphere there, but for somebody who only knows the new style, it’s just fine this place. At 7:00h the place was packed with about 40% male and 60% female. Hard to get a place at one of the counters. Didn’t want to sit on the tables beside. But managed. The Female quality is mixed and many of them are not at all from any interest. But due to the huge total number of girls you also find the good looking ones of your taste. Had western style German type of food and local Shinga beer. Very reasonable price for all. Had some talk with some fellow mongers and sometimes some eye contact to a girl on the side until they left. The girl took the opportunity of free space, moved over and of course we started the typical chit chat. Call her Miss B. Miss B was a ‘slim + 3 kg’ well shaped FL using the beergarden as hunting ground after her work in a shirt factory (9000 Baht/ Month) to gain some additional money for continuing university. English was very good. She said she is doing that since about 2 months, but not so much success as there are too many girls there doing similar. She was a 8-8.5 in body style and 8 in face, 1,63 m tall. I was attracted by her boobs nicely packed and promising, but still decent. Kind of vibration going out of them, at least my body member reacted to them. Nice talk and figured there is some more brain behind. Discussed conditions. As she had to work tomorrow, we agreed extended ST up to about 24:00h- 1:00h at night. After my request for pricing she asked for 2000 and I said lets say 1500 + taxi money and eventually tip. Ok done deal, she was happy with that.

[u]FL Miss B session. [/u]

We headed with Taxi to Livingstone’s which is about 50 Baht (Soi 7->33) in the 20:00h traffic. Jacuzzi was only providing cold water, grrrrr, but we showered and due to the cold water the towel handling got somehow funny, as I explained how I dried my kids some years ago and that I learned that ladies like it the same way either. Much fun in the beginning which created a good atmosphere. We slipped under the cover, which was revealed quickly again, as she had fantastic natural boobs (see photo), full my taste (even if I can also live with very small ones). As ‘usual?’ I invested some attention to the girl, which I almost always get returned by a factor of 5-10 in better ‘services’, so my ‘global’ experience. She liked my treatment and felt ‘little noisy comfortable’. She then continued with a BBBJ, but this was rather not very ‘professional’ (so new in the business seemed to be rather true), so I put on the condom quickly to proceed with the intercourse. This I liked as well as she did. We did a lot of positions with a lot of laughing in between as well, so in the sense of who knows what and who failed where some time ago and also changing attention. Real Fun. It lasted a long time also incl. some break to drink something and then continue.
She came minimum 1 time, probably even 2 times. Still had some problem to come myself, but at the end I was successful. Good session, even if the blowjob was rather unprofessional. But that’s freelancer’s risk, and everything else was perfect with Miss B.
It was still 23:30h, but didn’t want to use the whole agreed time, to be able to find somebody for the night. So we took shower and I said thank you to Miss B. I added 500 B to the 1500, so she had her originally 2000 B. Ok for me. Miss B said that she enjoyed the session and that it was better then with her previous boyfriend and anyhow any customer so far, and she feel ashamed to take money for something she enjoyed herself as well. I said my service to her was complimentary so she shouldn’t worry. So we left with some good bye kisses.

[u]Soi Cowboy and GoGo girls. [/u]

Time to see GoGo bars for my first time and to probably pick somebody for the night, even if I am already rather exhausted from the day, having finished the long session with Miss B.
Taxi just the minimum of 35 Baht from Soi 33 through the back alleys. First time Soi Cowboy. One street full of narrow bars. From my Nana experience I didn’t expect any ‘big’ bars anymore, all are more ‘slots’ with 2-3 seating rows around a stage where the girls were dancing. First try was Suzi Wong which was on a Rating I have found here in ISG more on the upper side. Full nude dancing there from time to time. Had a beer, spent some lady drink and had some talk with mama-san about further options. Almost all girls nicely shaped to my taste. The majority is very slim with smaller breasts and if there are deviations then they are rather more skinny then ‘meaty’. Asked mama-san about closing time and she said between 1:30 and 2:00h. I ‘promised to come back and headed to the next bar: Shark.
Shark has a similar range of girls as Suzie Wong, but no fully nude dancing, but you see a bit trough the dress. Titties and some hair look trough. Pretty nice atmosphere there, girls not so pushy, but of course they appreciated a lady drink. If you don’t want to do this, just watch the stage and don’t do an eye contact. But prices with 110 for beer and 90 for lady drink is not rather that high to sit there alone. Anyhow I like to communicate, so no issue for me to spend some Lady drink. Girls by the way can choose, what as they want. Many drink Gin-Tonic and Cola Cognac etc., which they easily gave me to try when I asked what they have in their glas. So nothing with this small Coke glasses I have heard in this forum (maybe Nana special).

Suddenly at 1:10 the music was turned off and the lights went on. I was told, today was police control, so no overtime possible. They probably have their alarm system. The bar went immediately into clean up mode and the girls started to dress. So what to do now?
I very slowly finished my glass and watched the scenery. Nobody rushed me. Outside then I joined 2 girls Miss S and Miss V, I chatted with a bit before. With now Jeans instead of the gogo dress they looked different. One was my type from the attitude, very slim if not rather skinny. So she asked they are picking some food, if I want to join. I said yes and we went just around to the street ‘coffee’ in the corner Soi 21/ Sukumvit. There we spent more then 2 hours chatting and talking about life, opinions etc.. Very nice talk with some inside info from gogo girls. Miss S and I notified that we liked each other somehow. Maybe we had a total of about 12-15 drinks for 3 and the girls picked sometimes somewhere some food from some vendor. A total of 1000 Baht that I paid. I finally (it was almost 4:00h already) asked my favorite, that I like her and if she would come with me to my room. She said yes, but her friend doesn’t know where to go now. So I said they can join us both. No price agreed before. Before we had the theme how bargirls like money and she said depending on customer. If she likes someone its up to him and even non would be ok she said in that previous talk, but anyhow later I would give her money.

[u]GoGo Girl Miss S session. [/u]
This description will be a bit more detailed regarding the erotics, because of the extraordinary eruptive event happened to the girl.
We headed to Livingstone’s by taxi. In the room they took a smoke first (no sooo much appreciated by me). My girl Miss S took a shower, and I myself separately too, both wrapping in towles. Her friend Miss V said that she would wait in the bathroom for some time. Miss S and I both headed into the bed and unwrapped our towels. We had some more talk, some funny joke and slowly we narrowed by kissing and some more skin touch. I was first in providing some service. Good decision, as he got rather turned on. She was a good kisser and liked some body eating, better to be body eaten. This got wilder and wilder and without any blow job we got rather hot. I entered her, not to forget to put on the condom before. Sex enjoyed and already came once, not faking I think. She got rather wet from our course with many positions and I had problems to come. It took a long time, but I couldn’t. She still enjoyed, but I still couldn’t come. Too much over the day and too naturally lubricated. Her fiend Miss V finally wanted to come out and we took a break. Miss S started to sleep, while her friend sat beside me and started to handjobb my dick, which seemed to be in agreement between the both girls. She tried quite a while, but gave up.

I noticed that something was wrong with Miss S. She didn’t say what, said ‘nothing’ and moved to the bathroom. Came out sat in the chair beside with clothes on. Still not in good mute. When girls say ‘nothing’, but have this special face, where you see the brain working inside brrr !. I thought that is the end of the session anyhow, put on clothes and checked her in the chair to find out what is. I could finally ‘pull out of her nose’ that that she didn’t like her friend to take care of me and I agreed to that.
Jealousy drama at 6:00h in the morning! I sat beside her, talked to her, kissed her and told her that I like her and not her friend; some tears were dropping down her eyes. I suggested bringing her friend to taxi and ‘please staying with me’. Such a nice guy I am- to be honest, I liked her really.

She finally agreed and we all went down and put her friend in a taxi. Miss S and me back to the room, she slipped under the cover without removing clothes and started to sleep. Ok girl ok for me, I took off except underpants and started to sleep too. Slept about 2 hours when I felt her ‘wrapping around me’. The wrapping continued with kissing, she aroused and soon we pulled off all clothes. I started to kiss her again, piece by piece; she got more and more aroused, heart beating. I was now completely eating her; everything I ‘eat’ was more and more getting her exiting. DFK, DATY all around eating the whole skinny body. Hard to keep track on condom use, but managed, put on and entered while continuing ‘eating her’. She was already in orgasm mode and probably already came, when she suddenly rather exploded under me. Body hot and sweaty, pulse extremely high, pussy juice overflowing everything. Kind of Hyper mode, or how to say. This lasted about almost 10 minutes in kind of eruptive explosions and I was already afraid the might die here – and the news reporting ’farang fucked Thai girl to death’. I couldn’t come at all, tooooo wet and to afraid. When she came down she wrapped around me again, kissed me like hell and then finally started sleeping.

I was ko. as well. So we had about 3-4h sleep until about 13:30h. She waked me up with a lucky face, wrapped around me again and started to kiss and fuck me again. Another enjoying session, but without the eruptive explosions as before. She had a lucky sleepy, lucky sleepy mode the next hour. She said that she might never be able to repeat that again, doesn’t know how it happened etc., but looked at me with big eyes, not stopping to ‘wrap’ around me.
At the end we finished our session around 16:30h. She looked at me with big eyes, gave her Phone number and asked to please, please call her. I gave her 3000 in her jeans pocket, she didn’t know how much, didn’t count and just said thank you, you gave me a great time! Shouldn’t better I say better say this words? Ok a big thank you from my side, I brought her to taxi, she finally left, but probably she would have liked to still stay.

Done! I was exhausted, no way to do anything different, then to rest. Tonight would be Livingstone’s Pool Party so I would ‘stay at that home’.

To be continued with part 2

Brain666

Photos: Sorry no faces and only little Nudity
Miss B incl Rack.
Miss S the explosive Gogo Highly concentrated skinny dynamite – I like her
Annies: Some inside shots of the massage parlor

[b]day 3 saturday (evening): livingstone’s pool party[/b]

they said, they start 19:00h. there were some snacks served as part of anew menu card from guido, very tasty. due to heat i spent some time in the sports bar, having suddenly 3 ladies around. ok nice as i am i spent all ladies drinks. later went out sitting with some of the team outside to watch the show. it started with travesty show, rather nice, but travesties are not my case of course. then two dancers fon + tact made an increadible dance show. nice bodies in move.
i was talking to 2 girls, one fond an old customer. later i checked the bar again, found the lady there with a unhappy face. took her to my chair outside. her customer had hooked up with another lady. she was nice. she told me something that she cant go to hotel outside. so i understood, hotel inside = livingstone’s ok. damn english, when it is foreign language for both. she had a rolling accent and i didn’t want to ask 5 times the same.
so i concentrated on her and at the end (about 23:30h) wanted to barfine her. result: can’t barfine her. she is one of the ladies who has a deep relation, who don’t go with cutomers to rooms. so my misunderstanding, she said it, but i interpreted in my sense! shit. the other girl on the table would have been happy to go with me, but she wasn’t my taste. many livingstone’s ladies have been already barfined and i didn’t want to start another ‘selection’ in the sports bar.

so still time to go to gogo bars, when they close at 1:30-2:00h (if not police check).

[u]soi cowboy gogo girl the 2nd[/u]

went to soi cowboy again, looked if miss s was there in sharks, but couldn’t find. friend said, she didn’t work today (ok after our session, but also could be barfined already). so left sharks and went to long gun gogo bar, getting the best ratings. no wonder why! fully nude show and also topless. but they had also special dance shows where 2 girls made an excellence strip performance. they moved their bodies everywhere, jumped to the sealing, slowly sliding down the racks, jumped up and down etc. (can’t describe). great show and nice shaped girls. guess they get much more money, and probably not available, but didn’t ask.

i enjoyed the show and was sitting directly at the stage. looked around to some girl and somewhere in some corner 2 were chatting and the one i liked i looked at 2 times. not long until she came over. she was very slim, (as a typical gogo), but not as skinny as my last night adventure. name her miss g. english surprisingly good. i spent lady drink and she was sitting very close to me. nice body. rating 8,5-9. it was towards the end and they switched on light, when i asked her if she had time to go long time with me. she said yes, but would need to leave about 8:00h next morning. it was ok for me. offered 2500 baht, which was ok for her (probably 2000 would have been ok for her as well). but i had still to pay the 500 barfine. so paid everything. shortly later she was ready to go and we headed to a taxi, after she declined that she was hungry.

so arrived at livingstone’s around 2 and filled the jacuzzi. the jacuzzi is really liked by girls and mine was a double one. she has never seen such a thing and immediately dropped her clothes, took a shower sealed the bottom with the peg and enjoyed the water running in. even if it takes some time. i joined of course, she cleaned me with shower gel and as soon as the water level reached the nozzles we switched the jacuzzi on and she enjoyed the bubbling water. bubble were growing from the shower geel pressed through the nozzles. she enjoyed like a kid, but didn’t forget to kiss me dfk and my skin and my dick. naked she was a clear 9 for my taste if you like slim ladies and are ok with b-cups. after maybe ½ h in the bubbling water we dried up (my kiddy drying up method enjoyed her as well) and went to bed. having her in a good mute i started kissing her all over ending in a 5 min daty session. she obviously enjoyed and tried to come, but probably couldn’t. she then took the initiative and started a bbbj which was in the upper range but not the best of my life. she then asked me to come into her and for condom, which was already prepared. she was awaiting me obviously. i don’t go in more details, but we had an extensive session in various positions covering all sides. she was very energetic and tried to come, so as me, but both we couldn’t. i proposed ‘ lets sleep’ and skipped the rest for the morning. she wanted to sleep now, i would have given her enough room, but she wanted to be wrapped around me. around 7:30 she waked me up with a kiss and toutch on my dick and indicated to continue. this was probably more for me then for her as she wanted to leave. so we did another round and i could come in that. less energetic as in the night, but satisfying.

she said 100x sorry that she had to leave and we both dressed. she asked me to visit her again and she would arrange that she can stay longer next time. she said she does hard in coming herself and with me she would see a chance to achieve, but she needs much time. therefore if i give her an advanced notice she will arrange not to go back before the next afternoon ‘i love you’. phhh, this sounded rather honest in the scenery and not only a scam to get the customer again. i said ok good idea, i would call her in advance next time. i gave her the 2.500 baht + 300 taxi money.

overall a nice girl and again somebody who seemed to enjoy herself as well. this was no scam. i don’t understand why some people here describe the gogo girls recently as not so compliant anymore and selfish. my 2 examples have been both great experiences. i can only say so far: i like gogo girls.


[b]day 4 sunday: the sick farang and the nurse from livingstone’s stable[/b]

after my gogo girl miss g had left, i continued sleeping until noon, took my breakfast and slept again. did not feel 100% ok. probably cached cold due to temperature changes between airon/ outside and several naked nights also often with aircon on.
so quite day which i only used to have a round in the luxury temple emporium only 7 minutes walk from livingstone’s. anyhow my today’s schedule should bring me some experience with the ladies from livingstone’s, where various talents and shapes are available.

i already issued a report about this single day so the link below will bring you through day 4 and night.

[post]491034[/post]

[b]day 5 – monday: the second night with my nurse[/b]

so after that night and the following afternoon described above, i still felt not 100% ok, so i decided to skip other activities and simply stay at the livingstone’s. plenty of girls around anyhow.
the story of my nightly sickness and my nurse has probably gone around in the stable. all girls seemed to know, but i realized that my reputation has also grown. some of the girls send a message like ‘i know what happened to you last night, i could do the same’.
nevertheless as a kind of thank you i invited my late night girl muk for dinner and she was joined by a friend and mama-san of the stable. mama-san by the way is a beauty herself. have a nice foto from her, but will only share it with herself. sorry guys. anyhow we had a great diner, i had a salad and the girls ordered 2 different fresh fish. a very very tasty meal. you can eat delicious in livingstone’s.

i barfined my nurse muk again and at 22:00h we have been in the room. she disappeared for half an hour and came back with some multi fruits juice, milk and some fiber powder. almost a little bit to much nurse now, but ok.
i felt much better, we had another session in the jacuzzi and over night we had 2 more rounds of sex. as i said in the first post, muk is not only a nurse, it’s also fun to have sex with her.
anyhow by all nursery – good and enjoyable sessions.
after the next morning we had breakfast together and she left around 13:00h. she had indicated the night before that she didn’t want any money this time, but i said to her friend translating, that this will be ‘up to me’. so when she left i gave her 2500 baht ‘for her expenses she did for me’ as i said. i think this was the right path.

puh time to change girls

[b]day 6 - tuesday: freelance no. 2 miss o. [/b]

cant stay the whole week with my nurse, she gets probably to much used to it, so time to change to a new girl. that’s why i came here to thailand, to change girls sometimes.
had to do some work for the company (sh..), but my original schedule with 2-3 sessions a day, i can’t stay anyhow anymore. also didn’t want to fall back to sickness with to much stress.
so decided to walk around and also passed beergarden for some german ‘schnitzel’ and of course to start carefully with beer again.
placed myself on a free spot just opposite to a cutie who looked a bit different. right choice. she looked shy, but we came into talk after some time. name: miss o. miss o turned out to be an occasional freelancer hunting a bit secretly from her family. her 2 sisters are both married to german guys. she is supported by one sister, but would also like to have a have a farang/ german guy as a long term target. she was really nice and honest, not playing any games. she makes some money in thailand and as well singapore taking care of farang kids which she says is 5 times more paid then a factory job. never the less sometimes she goes for some extra money, as well in bangkok and also singapore. honest girl, nice attitude, well educated, very good english skills, there is brain behind, and she knows exactly what she does. she also seems to have some lesbian friends from europe. interesting what clientele you can meet on the freelancer scene. anyhow, decided to take her for the night. didn’t agree any price. took a taxi to livingstone’s around 22:00h.
the jacuzzi was again the valuable asset in my hotel room. she was not shy at all, the first girl which did not wrap immediately in a towel when dressing up: my rating : 8, see pictures below. after the bath she started actively with a blow job and more. this seemed to be to much on schedule and mechanics first.

so i had to stop her and give her some attention first. this she was probably not used to much, she started better breathing felt enjoying. we laughed and she enjoyed her own body suddenly. after that she was much more natural, it was then like girlfriend with boyfriend love, no more mechanical attitude, she was actively kissing and we had that what both side enjoyable sex is. great and long session after ‘i turned her around’. we went to sleep and again the girl was wrapping around me, wanted to keep in touch and snored (not annoying) like a young cat.

is this ‘wrap around’ a thai special, or does it only happen when they feel comfortable.

we had another round in the morning, initiated by her, but it was difficult to come for me again. anyhow the round was rather extended until i gave up. we both went down to breakfast beside livingstone’s pool. then came up again, did some more and at around 14:00h she left on my initiative. she would have liked to spend the whole day and probably more with me and show me around in the whole city, but i had the eden club on my secret schedule, so for some excuse to need to work i have let her go.
as she is intelligent, i will use her as a guide next time. gave her 2000+ 500 taxi money and tip.

[b]day 7 wednesday: eden club and again gogo miss s[/b]

wednesday to thursday will be my last night in livingstone’s, so my girl for the night must be chose wisely.

however even if it has mixed review. i can’t leave bangkok without an own experience in the famous eden club with the 2 girl session.
i went to soi 7 first to eat something. lot of freelancers, but just eat and then headed to soi 7/1 to eden.

[u]eden experience: [/u]
eden is easy to find at soi 7/1. some girls hang outside and some are inside.
went inside and was greeted by mar. asked me if i know eden. so i said i know eden from many reports from the internet, but he said he will explain the concept again.
ok concept is clear for every body i think. so he called for the lineup.

only 3 girls on the left side of the yellow line (anal), but not my taste. on the right side there were about 12 girls at wednesday 18:00h. one cutie caught my eye and i selected her:
lak no. 25. she picked nid no. 13. went up the elevator to the room. rooms not really big, but ok for the things that happen here. lak was a 9 in my eyes, had a nice face and phantastic breast. either natural or done by an expert. just right sized. nid was a 7,5- 8 (more 8) and also nice.
they started with the process: intensive washing, massage and blowjobs from both. they did the lesbian, i got sucked while they did the lesbian and then we had several fucking rounds with both girls. impossible to write down a sequence.
lak and nid harmonized best with each other. they really wanted to please me. the session was less pornographic as it was described by others, maybe the team was softer, but both very customer oriented and willing to please. an unbelievable amount o condoms was used. many times changed position and girl. it is really a great feel ‘getting serviced’ with 2 girls. what a great country this is thailand. i as an middle aged guy can have a nice round with 2 young girls and they do it in a way that has nothing to do with mechanics and boring. i really enjoyed and at the end i came 2 times (1 cim 1 loaded in a condom), even if the second was hard job. we used the time until somebody knocked the door.
i went down and spend both girls a drink. they attached to be and i was kissed in the middle of the bar. had to tell marc (who said, i can pay later, as it would be free of charge if i wouldn’t be satisfied), that i couldn’t find anything justifying not to pay. so i paid of course.

so i clearly recommend the team i had: select lak- no.25, she might pick nid = no. 13 then. a great team.

after that session, i was really exhausted. decided to go to soi cowboy to meet my highly explosive dynamite miss s again and probably barfine her.

went straight to sharks and looked for her. set down and soon after she found me and had a big smile. sat first next to me but had to leave for dancing before i could offer a lady drink. she danced and another girl came to me. dance took longer and i offered the other girl a lady drink. lady drink came. she said thank you and pointed to kiss on the cheek. while approaching the cheek, she turned her face in tha last moment and my kiss landed directly on her moth and she did a big smile. miss b came back from dancing and i pointed to the girl to let her next to me. but she made a ‘sulky’ face. my jealousy rocket saw the kiss and i had to explain how it happened. told her to pick a lady drink as well, i kissed her said nice words, explained why i had no time the last days (the truth: i was sick!!) and asked if she would allow me to barfine her if she wasn’t to upset. she allowed and we barfined immediately.

asked her if she if hungry, as it was just 21:30h. she said a little and we headed to a taxi and she guided it to somewhere soi 20/22. some hotel or serviced resident near by. it was a restaurant/ pool bar where some of her friends hang out and also the woman owner is a friend. expat and local meeting point, more basic then upscale.
no alarm, she is a nice girl. there was western and thai food available (thai from next door). she ordered 2 thai dishes (total 220 baht) and we had some drinks why she enjoyed playing pool with some of her friends. she was obviously lucky and i was kind of new boyfriend. like to hang out with a girl and a clique from next door, just much prettier the girls. had some drinks (5-6?) and all summed up to the ‘huge’ amount of 300 baht. after so much enjoy she asked to leave and we headed to livingstone’s. did some sex but before she turned on we both decided to first take a sleep (which was good for me, as i couldn’t tell her by her jealousy that i had just 2 shots dropped in eden).
as usual she wrapped around me by much kisses, but we slept soon.

[b]day 8 thursday: day to leave this lovely country and their lovely ladies. [/b]

a long night. probably not before 9 i was waked up by some kissing. we took a jacuzzi round and continued with en energetic fucking round in the bed. again great for both of us, not the explosion of the last time, but she and i as well enjoyed the sex. continued by sleeping and continued by sex and continued by sleeping. missed the breakfast. took of from livingstone’s again around 16:00h. gave her 2500 baht (just put it in her jeans). went to ‘empty’ soi cowboy for some chat with her friend until i said good buy as i had to pack my suitcase for tonight.

[u][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s blow job bar[/u]

of course didn’t go back directly. passed by at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s to try out the blow joib bar. as i was rather empty anyhow, it was more ore less useless and the girl didn’t achieve it. it was also not my world, even if she tried hard. but clearly: [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s isn’t something for me, but eden is!

[u]closure and good buy[/u]

so headed back to livingstone’s, packed my suitcase and ordered a tenderloin steak before i left. delicious steak, you can eat great food in livingstone’s.
had a chat with giotto and guido about this and that. felt really great in livingstones.

went out with giotto once around soi 33. he was ready to show me some more at other days and we agreed that i call him, but always when it was time, i was already in deep negotiation with some girls. next time.

comments about livingstones in hotel esction.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=494737&postcount=2687[/url]


it was time to drop myself to the airport. did that by stopping buy at soi cowboy, barfining miss s again and took her with me to the airport (but not further!!!! to be clear!!!). she was extremely happy. told her in the bar, to be ready in 3 minutes as it was late and she made it! any how liked her, my explosive dynamite shark gogo girl miss s. of course she got some taxi money to come back home.
unfortunately my time was over and my economy flight back to seoul waited for me.
tooooooooo bad.

but it will not be that last time, that’s for sure. expat money allows some extra trip, especially if i calculate a ‘ business case’ with expensive, but less enjoyable mongering in korea. it’s more a matter of finding the right time.

regarding the thai girls i am rather impressed.
see my resume in the thai woman, opinions and advise section.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=494733&postcount=3115[/url]

regards and you will here from me again here in this board.
i envoy all staying expats here in thailand!
i had great holidays.

brain666

pictures: miss g gogo girl
miss o nice girl

I posted a couple of days ago explaining that my friend ( a lesbian ) had difficulty the first time we went to some go-go bars.

Well we tried a new tactic. She sat in the front row and I sat a row behind her while watching the dancers. This worked! My friend had girls all over her and eventually went off for ST with a very nice thai girl. Rating was apparently Looks: 8/9 and Sex was a mindblowing 10. The girl was so into my friend that she stayed with her in the bar afterward for the rest of the night and even exchanged numbers...

So everyone, it is possible for a lesbian to have a great time in Bangkok and my friend came home to our guesthouse last night a very happy girl!

Tonight I am taking a gorgeous 21 year old for LT from 7pm to 9am in the morning for 2500 baht + 600 barfine.. I'll file a report and hopefully pictures tomorrow.

We're having a ball in Thailand and can't wait to get to Cambodia and Vietnam. Just a tip guys, it's not all about the sex, enjoy the rest of what each country has to offer... a good mix of tourism and sex tourism works well and you will feel satisfied that you saw another country when you get home.

Can anyone reccomend some bars or clubs around Sukhumvit where it is possible to pick up girls other than at go go bars?

I have heard someone mention Hillary I and II, what's the go there?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Wolfsheim]Can anyone reccomend some bars or clubs around Sukhumvit where it is possible to pick up girls other than at go go bars?

I have heard someone mention Hillary I and II, what's the go there?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]


Anyone know of any places? I didn't think you could pick up girls in Thailand? Certainly not in the Sukhumvit area. Wolfsheim would have to go to one of the "tourist" arears for that. And as we all know there are no tourists or girls around Sukhumvit.

[QUOTE=Wolfsheim]Can anyone reccomend some bars or clubs around Sukhumvit where it is possible to pick up girls other than at go go bars?

I have heard someone mention Hillary I and II, what's the go there?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]

????????????????

As retired army said already in polite and hidden way.

The smallest no of girls around Sukhumvit are Go Go girls.
Girls are around everywhere. In bars or not. No need to point a specific bar. You even don't need to find them.They will find you for sure!

regards
Brain666

Brain666,

I enjoyed reading your report, it provided good detail. About Annies, they let you bring a camera in?

[QUOTE=Wolfsheim]Can anyone reccomend some bars or clubs around Sukhumvit where it is possible to pick up girls other than at go go bars?

I have heard someone mention Hillary I and II, what's the go there?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]

Wolfsheim,

It seems you are enjoying your stay in BKK and based on your revelations about a lesbian being able to find action and the question above, it's clear you are a newbie to BKK. Whether you are straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual, a lady boy, whatever, you will find action. What you have not picked up on is that almost any bar (go-go, pool bar, J-Bar, Sports Bar, Karaoke Bar, etc.) has a bar fine option. Generally around 500-600 baht. All of the girls are available, and that is why some board members will be "stunned" by your question. The waitresses, girls sitting around the bar or playing pool with the customers, etc. are there for the asking.

Do not take offense to some of the replies. Many have been in the BKK scene so long, they forgot what it was like the first time. To put your question in perspective, it was like being stranded on a tiny tiny tiny island in the middle of the Pacific ocean and asking where I can find salt water! lol!

I have picked up girls from Hillary I and II. I picked up a few in the internet cafes (free lancers). There are take out options at many of the massage places (foot, oil, etc.). You can go to the soapies for a true BKK experience. Some guys have even met hotel staff during their off hours, but please be very discreet if you are going to attempt this. You could get them fired. Obviously you would need to meet up at some other hotel where they do not work and make sure no one sees the initial discussion.

There are by various counts somewhere between 30,000 to 100,000 girls available for pickup in Thailand. Many of them are in BKK. That is why the thud you heard was the BKK veterans falling over when you posed your question. Just smile and if they smile back, make your move and find out if they work for the bar. If not, they are a free lancer. That simple.

Here's a short list, which represents about .000001% of the places you can go:

Angels Nana disco
Nana car park
Beer Garden Suk Soi 7
Absolute 7 bar Suk Soi 7/1
Gullivers Tavern Suk Soi 5
Spasso Disco at Grand Hyatt Hotel
Rivas at Sheraton Grand Hotel
Q Bar Suk Soi 11
Narcisus Suk Soi 23
Fuse Suk Soi 24
Concept CM2 at Siam Square Soi 6
Bed Supper Club Suk Soi 11
Livingstones pool parties Suk Soi 33
Eden Club (specializes in threesomes)
Thermae Suk Soi 15
RCA (Royal City Avenue) - It's an entertainment district
All Nana area bars including the Hillary I and II pool bars.

Every Soi between Nana and Soi 33 are loaded with bars, pubs, coffee shops, etc. for pickup. In addition to the Nana go-go's, there are go-go bars and other bars in Soi Cowboy and Patpong. Very easy to get to on the BTS or via taxi. Enjoy!

Please do contribute your experiences, especially if you take a chance at one of the lessor known hole in the wall bars. They never get any air time on these threads.

AT2

bamboo beer bar opposite the Grace Hotel has more than the occassional freelancer, head down to near Siam Square and hang out. There are so many little bars where you can find a gem. Go into a bar if it doesnt do anything for you then move on to the next, then the next, then the next.

[QUOTE=Praise The Loard]Brain666,

I enjoyed reading your report, it provided good detail. About Annies, they let you bring a camera in?[/QUOTE]
Of corse I didn't show the camera openly and it was compact one (Canon Ixus 800iX) . Don't think that they check your pocket.
I asked the girl ans she agreed. Of course I would never show her face.
And I didn't ask for nude shots.

regards

Brain666

there are heaps of bars where you can meet more than just go go girls - Head down toward Siam Square - Hard Rock Cafe, also head down towards Ekamai, there is a lot of choice even the bamboo beer bar across from the Grace Hotel, the waitresses at the Busstop in Soi 4, of course if you wander in and nothing takes your fancy then move on.

Or just sit down in one of the street restaurants after 2 am on Sukhumvit and watch the people (girls) passing by.

Some of them even have bar fine options for their waitresses.

I found a tall good looking girl out of a group of 4 eating there making eye contact with me. Approached her and asked for her number (She told me she wouldn't have come over to me, just smiling from her seat, until I approach her). She came to my Hotel the nex day afternoon and we had a good time until next morning. Very GFE. She has another customer, for whom she would bring a different girl for a threesome every time he calls her.

Now she is busy because her sponsor is in town.

I walked out of the JW Marriott onto the main road, just wandering around like a dog in heat, thinking about which soapy to try that afternoon. My plan was to then hail a taxi and go there - day dreaming about having my cock sucked by one girl and being rimmed by the other, or whatever was on my mind at the time.

I had hardly got past the Nana Plaza side street, when I saw a beautiful tall Thai lady elegantly dressed, looking like a smart PA or secretary. She had a Singaporean look (to my mind, but that's probably not accurate). She had beautiful long tanned legs a medium length beige coloured skirt and classy heels.

My cognitive function immediately classed her as being totally off limits for p4p. I discreetly walked behind her, admiring her butt in that tight skirt.

I came to BKK to do p4p, but in my regular life I am heavily into p4free. The trouble with p4p is that if you are in that mindset, even though you may have good social skills and are a top class pickup artist, it's difficult to cross worlds from p4p to p4free in an instant. The two are totally different and require different skills and a different outlook to get what you want.

This girl worked in the JW Marriott as a beautician. I approached her, initiated a conversation centering around if she could help me as I was a bit lost. We had a great conversation, I built up some rapport, got her number and said I'd call her and see her sometime for a drink. She just seemed to be a great woman and appeared eager to know more about me, over and above the snippets I gave her.

I greatly regret never calling that Thai woman. The reason was that in BKK I felt like an utterly depraved dog most of the time. I found I could not easily snap out of being in a p4p mindset, which is the wrong way to go about enjoying the company of a woman who is not a sex worker, IMO. I speak for myself only, others may have no problem with handling both at once, it's just my personal limitation.

I am posting this to confirm that hotel staff, are 'attainable' if you go about it with the right approach (hotel staff discussed earlier on the thread). I have no doubt I could have got this woman out to enjoy time with, but not in the JW Marriott and it would have taken a while before I could ascertain whether I could have properly seduced her ie. got sex.

Respect if you try.

[QUOTE=Frank Furious]I am posting this to confirm that hotel staff, are 'attainable' if you go about it with the right approach. I have no doubt I could have got this woman out to enjoy time with, but not in the JW Marriott and it would have taken a while before I could ascertain whether I could have properly seduced her ie. got sex.

Respect if you try.[/QUOTE]Yes, there are probably alot of gals everywhere in BKK that can be had for "free" but most (such as myself) will never try simply because my vacation time is limited and cant afford to waste any of it on "maybes". All of us vacationer/mongers want only a sure thing so we dont mind paying for it.

Dont get me wrong, I think "Freebies " are ok if you have the time to invest with pursuing the gal--but its still no guarantee she will put out in the end.

BTW: "freebies"--is a bit of a misnomer as all the freebies in my life ending up costing much more than just paying someone for the deed.
ex: several dinners, drinks, entertainment cost--etc, etc, etc.

Just IMO.

PT

a trip to bkk is void without the customary visit to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] at least once in the week!!:d:d
you've heard it all before so wont bore. if you haven't then rtff.
saturday approx 2pm. name, air, which makes nicely for the name cards they wear which have, "hostess," directly underneath their names.
usual bbbjcim. in and out within 25 minutes although i must admit, it wasnt the same this trip as she put a towel on the sofa upstairs. didnt get the peeling sensation at the end of the job :d
cant beat this place for a quickie bj.
sid

Hello All,

I am planning a week in BKK near the end of September and am looking for some advice on where in the city would be good for a first timer to stay. After RTFF a bit it seems like Sukhumvit area would do nicely. Can anyone tell me if I am on the right track? Am thinking maybe Ariston Hotel, does anyone have any knowledge of this hotel?

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Was past month for a short visit in BKK. Of course went off to NEP. Heard alot of bad things about it...but was not all true.

I enjoyed the gals at the RB bars...really topnotch. Frankly there are so many gals here. It's a bit of a buyers market if you are not just after the young starlets.
A beautifull 25+ wanted LT for 2000bht. She was not so hot here compared with the young beauts...but she was still topnotch compared with lesser bars.

I enjoyed the show at Voodoowitch bar(is that correct). Met an american guy with his thai GF who was just here to enjoy the show.(PM me if you remember) He gave advice on Ratchada and where to find the best choices FLwise.
I am gratefull for his advice...because his answer was totally unexpected.
Turns out that the hotspot is NEP parkinglot. A lot of FL comes here to pick guys up.

That's just what I did. It's a great place just to hang around and see all the gals comeout of the disco and NEP. So many choices. INCREDIBLE.
Frankly it was kinda intimidating. I needed a drink and some time to acclimatise to the scene. Taking it all in.
I was eyeing two gals hanging around eating a snack. They already have waved off a couple of guys ...but after the advice I got I knew this was just an openair pickup joint. But becoz they are freelancers thay can be a lil choosier.(don't get how rude or obnoxious some guys can be, just becoz its p4p you can still act civilized)

Being in Thailand I knew a smile is always a big help. Chatted up a bit. Even tasted the snack they were eating.(pressed squid) The gals looked gorgeous. quite tall. One was definite an mixblood. Quite stunning.She asked for 2000st. Didnt want to do LT. The other was pure thai...the whiter kind that asians love. I was thinking...what is she doing here. She was quite tall with a nice generous boobs and ass. For an asian very volupteous,
I agreed with her longtime....2000tbt. I think we kinda connected. Strange..if they seem to like u the price can drop.

Took her back to my hotel for real GFE sex. It was so comfortable. Even though it was p4p..I did my bestto make her come. You really can hear the difference between play or real...
Frankly one of my best experiences in thailand. Her disposition was so sweet.
Even though she was beuatifull...she had a slight skinpigment imperfection. You can only see it when she's naked, but she was still very conscious about it.

Biggest regret...losing her phonenumber. She works FT at a salon and when she needs money she and a bunch of her friends come to NEP to earn some extra money.

Anyway definitely worth a recommendation...just be carefull though or need to feel lucky. You truly can find anything here.

Hi Guys,

I am due to take my first trip to BKK in the next few weeks. Just wondering about negotiating services with a girl - not just price but the services for the price ie. bbbjcim etc. Are there any slang terms the girls use to describe the different services?

Thanking you in advance.

[QUOTE=Juggernutt]Turns out that the hotspot is NEP parkinglot. A lot of FL comes here to pick guys up.

That's just what I did. It's a great place just to hang around and see all the gals comeout of the disco and NEP. So many choices. INCREDIBLE.[/QUOTE]Juggernutt,

I will be in BKK next week. Tell me, what and where is NEP?

Leo24

[QUOTE=Leo24]Juggernutt,

I will be in BKK next week. Tell me, what and where is NEP?

Leo24[/QUOTE]

Leo24,

Looks like you have not read the thread. NEP is the Nana Entertainment Plaza or Nana Plaza for short. The parking lot across the street is a hangout for the girls as well as some of the bars around the area. Center court of Nana, there's a couple of bars as well. Angels (Nana Disco) across from Nana Plaza also has some lookers late night, but the cover charge has gone up. I think 500B, which includes a drink.

Be sure to at least flip through the last 20-30 pages of this thread. Don't bother reading too many of the stories. Comb through the thread for the hot spots. Read the Reports of distinction thread as well. Do your homework. You will be glad you did. There are just so many cool places to hit, that you would be well advised to jot down notes on a note pad before you go.

If you forget, just drop into the nearest internet cafe and hit the website while you are in BKK, for a quick update. Most of all have fun.

AT2

Hi guys,

My first post here. I've been to BKK a few times, always stayed at the Nana and always ended up going to the NEP. Not tried the other places yet because I always got what I wanted at the first stop. :)

Anyone have any idea where there might be a club on the lines of the German FKK's, sort of a public or group "activity" place?

I can not help but wonder if any of the Bangkok ISG'ers have run across thei John Mark Karr fellow who has been arrested in the Ramsey murder case.


<<Police said Karr had been living in a dormitory-style hotel called The Blooms in a neighborhood of massage parlors and travel agents that cater to expatriate residents and sex tourists. The nine-story hotel offers rooms for as short as three-hour rentals.>>

Seems that he has been to Thailand 5 times in the past years and was looking to teach English there.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/thailand_jonbenet_ramsey[/url]

[QUOTE=eagle_i]Hi Guys,

I am due to take my first trip to BKK in the next few weeks. Just wondering about negotiating services with a girl - not just price but the services for the price ie. bbbjcim etc. Are there any slang terms the girls use to describe the different services?
Thanking you in advance.[/QUOTE]Eagle Eye,

I am somewhat unknowledgeable due to mainly conversing with Girls in Thai language. However many Sex Guide terms will not be understood.

Short Time and Long Time are terms used but you will need to discuss exactly how long you mean by a Long Time. Can vary a lot.

With shy girls, I just ask them if they would like to go with me to my Hotel. ST will be assumed.

In the old days some girls used the term 'smoking' for a blow job, but there is new trendy terminology that is more fasionable. Wish I could remember it.Perhaps someone else will.

Just to explain 'smoking'; Thai word 'soop' is used for both smoking cigarettes and for sucking on anything at all.

Most Thai girls will assume they must give a blow job and are usually happy to receive one. BBBJ often but not always. They will understand 'suck with no condom', I guess.

Anal ('ow doot' in Thai) is rarely available, but very experienced girls perhaps.
Any other kinky stuff you will need to ask.

What type of photos are allowed will need to be asked. Some are very shy and some are not at all.

I mostly don't ask the girl what she will do. I just see what happens.

Its more fun if the girl is enjoying herself and comfortable with everything.

Its amazing what girls are capable of doing (that they couldn't even discuss) once they get going and the shyness fades.

Would be having a 4-5 hrs transit period in BKK airport. Unfortunately I am from one of the countries which requires Visa to enter. I came to know that Visa on arrival is possible. But I am not sure how much of my precious time it will eat. Any idea if I can get a Visa on arrival and still have some time to monger?

Do I need a Visa to get to Amari Airport Hotel? Is it within the Airport premises? I have gone through some of the RTFF. Considering the time I have, Amari Airport Hotel is the best bet?

BR

Purple

I'm a newbie and your report will help out a lot.

Report Number 1113 and 1114 or under.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]I can not help but wonder if any of the Bangkok ISG'ers have run across thei John Mark Karr fellow who has been arrested in the Ramsey murder case.


<<Police said Karr had been living in a dormitory-style hotel called The Blooms in a neighborhood of massage parlors and travel agents that cater to expatriate residents and sex tourists. The nine-story hotel offers rooms for as short as three-hour rentals.>>

Seems that he has been to Thailand 5 times in the past years and was looking to teach English there.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/thailand_jonbenet_ramsey[/url][/QUOTE]


He is a suspected child molester (he has been caught with CP images), so I doubt any of ISG members ran across him.

[QUOTE=Toad Thelittle]Hi guys,

My first post here. I've been to BKK a few times, always stayed at the Nana and always ended up going to the NEP. Not tried the other places yet because I always got what I wanted at the first stop. :)

Anyone have any idea where there might be a club on the lines of the German FKK's, sort of a public or group "activity" place?[/QUOTE]
Yes, there is in Korat. I forget the name and location, it was sometime ago, but I believe it was next to the park. Ask Freeler, he might be able to give you the address.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]I can not help but wonder if any of the Bangkok ISG'ers have run across thei John Mark Karr fellow who has been arrested in the Ramsey murder case.


<<Police said Karr had been living in a dormitory-style hotel called The Blooms in a neighborhood of massage parlors and travel agents that cater to expatriate residents and sex tourists. The nine-story hotel offers rooms for as short as three-hour rentals.>>

Seems that he has been to Thailand 5 times in the past years and was looking to teach English there.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/thailand_jonbenet_ramsey[/url][/QUOTE]


His picture was also posted with the news article. I cant say I'd ever seen him before, perhaps someone had seen/talk to him but didnt give it a second thought. Like someone already pointed out: this killer is only interested in children so doubt very much anyone here really knows him.

PT

I'm a newbie and Brain666 report answered a lot of my questions.

Report Number: 1113 and 1114

Thanks,

Wooodman

of course, the media is all over this arrest of "jonbenet's killer", but i would say that from what i have heard this guy is possibly more likely to be just a freak **** who is a wannabe copycat in search of "fame" than the actual murderer of jonbenet ramsey.

his "confession" does not match the facts of the case (he said that he drugged her and made love to her and accidentally killed her). forensics found no drugs nor semen in her body, and the bruising was much more in line with manually groping her than her actually having been raped. in addition, his ex-wife (who divorced him because he was a ****) stated that he was actually with her in georgia and alabama during the christmas that jonbenet was murdered.

the bottom line is that there was dna found in jonbenet's underwear. if this guy's dna does not match that, then he is merely an after the fact freak stalker who is either dillusional or seeking fame. if the dna does match, then he's the guy. but it is by no means clear at this point in time.

to try to bring this at least slightly back on topic, i do think that it's interesting the degree to which the thai police have seemingly completely given up their jurisdiction and are apparently letting u.s. cops run the show with this investigation while this guy is still technically in thai custody. they are apparently very conscious of the degree to which adverse publicity about bankok being a haven for sex-tourists could impact their overall tourism dollars.

[QUOTE=Purple 2006]Would be having a 4-5 hrs transit period in BKK airport. Unfortunately I am from one of the countries which requires Visa to enter. I came to know that Visa on arrival is possible. But I am not sure how much of my precious time it will eat. Any idea if I can get a Visa on arrival and still have some time to monger?

Do I need a Visa to get to Amari Airport Hotel? Is it within the Airport premises? I have gone through some of the RTFF. Considering the time I have, Amari Airport Hotel is the best bet?

BR

Purple[/QUOTE]

You must pass through imigrations to exit the airport. The Amari hotel is across the street. There is a bridge going from the departure (top) level to the hotel.

The topic of having short time p4p during a layover has been discussed before. There are no p4p girls hanging at the airport. From what I know, the best bet is to get a phone number of a girl from another member and arrange to have her meet you at the Amari Hotel. Or, it's about a 30 minute cab ride to Nana/Sukhimvut. Grab a girl and go to a short time hotel. Then haul ass back to the airport.

Chok Dee Khrup! Sky Dog

[QUOTE=Member #2041]Of course, the media is all over this arrest of "JonBenet's killer"... His "confession" does not match the facts of the case... They are apparently very conscious of the degree to which adverse publicity about Bankok being a haven for sex-tourists could impact their overall tourism dollars.[/QUOTE]

I really hope you're right that this guy is yanking the cops' chains. If not I fear we'll see the likes of Barbara Walters and Katie Couric huffing and puffing from the streets of Bangkok. This JonBenet story dominated the headlines in the States for quite a while a decade ago. Now add in the titillating images of Thai prostitution, especially the paedophiliac kind, and "depraved" Western men and this story could have legs.

[QUOTE=hutsori]I really hope you're right that this guy is yanking the cops' chains. If not I fear we'll see the likes of Barbara Walters and Katie Couric huffing and puffing from the streets of Bangkok. This JonBenet story dominated the headlines in the States for quite a while a decade ago. Now add in the titillating images of Thai prostitution, especially the paedophiliac kind, and "depraved" Western men and this story could have legs.[/QUOTE]
I bet there won't be many Westerners hanging out behind Katie Couric, in full view of the camera, as she reports from NEP, live and in colour!

[QUOTE=Sky Dog] There are no p4p girls hanging at the airport. From what I know, the best bet is to get a phone number of a girl from another member and arrange to have her meet you at the Amari Hotel. Or, it's about a 30 minute cab ride to Nana/Sukhimvut. Grab a girl and go to a short time hotel. Then haul ass back to the airport.

Chok Dee Khrup! Sky Dog[/QUOTE]
Actually there IS P4P at the airport. it could be hit and miss, but if you don't want to go into town, you could hang around the departure area, and watch the P4P kiss and wave goodbye to the forlorn monger, as he heads to immigration. Move in as soon as he has gone through, and make your deal. Then take her over to the Amari for a couple of hours.
Again, hit or miss, but could be fun.

[QUOTE=hutsori]I fear we'll see the likes of Barbara Walters and Katie Couric huffing and puffing from the streets of Bangkok. [/QUOTE]

I wouldn't mind bumping into Katie Couric on Sukhumvit Road. For her age, she's still pretty hot, and I hear that she doesn't mind having things stuck up her colon. Of course, I'm retired and single, so I have less to lose on that score than many of my brother mongers.

[QUOTE=Duniawala]Yes, there is in Korat. I forget the name and location, it was sometime ago, but I believe it was next to the park. Ask Freeler, he might be able to give you the address.[/QUOTE]Try "Resortcaroline"

[QUOTE=1Ball]Actually there IS P4P at the airport. it could be hit and miss, but if you don't want to go into town, you could hang around the departure area, and watch the P4P kiss and wave goodbye to the forlorn monger, as he heads to immigration. Move in as soon as he has gone through, and make your deal. Then take her over to the Amari for a couple of hours.

Again, hit or miss, but could be fun.[/QUOTE]LOL that's funny, and I can see this happening.

[QUOTE=Purple 2006]Would be having a 4-5 hrs transit period in BKK airport. Unfortunately I am from one of the countries which requires Visa to enter. I came to know that Visa on arrival is possible. But I am not sure how much of my precious time it will eat. [/QUOTE]On my latest visit last week, I travelled through customs with a friend who needed a visa also. The process is fast and easy, howeve, be aware that the counter only accepts thai baht and when I was there, the nearest exchange machine was broken and my friend dissapeared from sight before he found desk which was open. Please also bare in mind that this was 1am and so there was hardly anybody else there. Once the application form was complete, we waited for 15-20 minutes and the visa was complete. You need two passport photos but there is a machine right beside the area for 200bht. Everything is in english and very easy to do.
Sid

Purple 2006, you do have an alternative.

Look for the massage booth on the second floor next to one of the rest lounges. I confirm that you can have a hj or (depending on your negotiation skills and your money) a bj. Not a pretty lady though. Not cheap neither. But if you want a release, you can get it. Easy. Just enter. Accept the massage. Go to the room. Take of your clothes. And wink to the lady. She'll know what to do.

I was there with a friend of mine about a year ago or so. I was getting out of the country. He was on transit and eager for trying. I took him there. We had quite a laugh actually. He jerked accidentally on the face of the masseuse and she was a bit upset and rushed out for cleaning. I jerked on the breast of mine and she dis not even bother cleaning and just put back her bra over my souvenir.

There is also a shower available both before and after the deed.

Enjoy

The Wolf

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
In the old days some girls used the term 'smoking' for a blow job, but there is new trendy terminology that is more fasionable. Wish I could remember it.Perhaps someone else will.

Just to explain 'smoking'; Thai word 'soop' is used for both smoking cigarettes and for sucking on anything at all.
[/QUOTE]
Mick Licker,

'smoking' will still be understood, but 'om' should be used instead of 'soop'.
'Om' means suck and that's what you want. Every girl will understand immediately.

Found a great girl at Ceaser's. Her name is Dee and she is Nr 27 in the fishbowl. Her age is actually as well 27. She has a fantastic body and a lovely face. On top of it I found her very motivated, a really pleasant and funny girl - we laughed a lot. The service she offered was outstanding - one of the best I ever had in Bangkok. Sex was great and we both enjoyed it - she had a triple orgasm (privilege of a lady...). Next time in Bangkok I know where to go. For info, she does work 6 days per week.

Thanks for the info A Sunny. What time you go and how was the selection? Were there a lot of girls in the fishbowl and on the sidelines?

I just spent two weeks in BKK and Phuket and had a great time. Not much new information to contribute but I would like to say thank you for all the good reports. First night, I took a small cutey from Nana plaza to the Nana short time room. She was small but powerful. i find Nana has better looking girls than cowboy or patpong, however, I was nicely surprised by the full nude dancing in many of the cowboy gogos. How come no one has mentioned this? Suzy Wong's has a great show and one of the best looking women I have seen in Thailand. Just one though.

Also, there is a new MP in Patpong. I forgot the name. It's in the infiniti complex and you can't miss it. The prices are confusing. They use a letter system with 5 letters. I forgot how it goes, but prices range from 1900 to 3900. The one I chose was 2500 and the best looking I saw. There was no soapie though. A good body wash in the Jacuzzi with CBJ and then to the bed for a second pop. All was good and there were attractive women there.

Savannah

[QUOTE=Savannah]
Also, there is a new MP in Patpong. I forgot the name. It's in the infiniti complex and you can't miss it. The prices are confusing. They use a letter system with 5 letters. I forgot how it goes, but prices range from 1900 to 3900. The one I chose was 2500 and the best looking I saw. There was no soapie though. A good body wash in the Jacuzzi with CBJ and then to the bed for a second pop. All was good and there were attractive women there.

Savannah[/QUOTE]

Where is the Infiniti complex? Is that the area where the bulk of the massage places seem to be off Surriwong, kind in a soi that leads down to the back of the multistory carpark?

Just got back from Bangkok a couple of days ago. Went to Baccara, Soi Cowboy and saw June, a girl I had previously. Problem with these girls is that once you've screwed them, the next time you visit, they'll stick to you like a leech. Anyway... as soon as she sees me, she stayed with me the whole night and wasn't happy when I was checking out other chicks in the bar. Due to the lack of desirable girls that night, decided to bar fine her and took her back to the hotel. Pretty SOP and banged her for quite a while. One thing I noticed about her (and from the previous session that I had with her) is that no matter how much foreplay I give her (other than DATY which I DON"T DO to hookers... who know's what kind of disease they have), she's never wet. That kinda put me off but nevertheless, after a rigorous thumping session, finally came and fell to sleep. Woke up the next morning rushing to the airport therefore didn't managed to get any action going. Damage 4000 baht for LT + barfine.

4 K Bath?!

[QUOTE=Easy Yo]4 K Bath?![/QUOTE]
No, no. He did not take 4000 baths. He paid 4000 Bahts.

[QUOTE=Sky Dog]You must pass through imigrations to exit the airport. The Amari hotel is across the street. There is a bridge going from the departure (top) level to the hotel.

The topic of having short time p4p during a layover has been discussed before. There are no p4p girls hanging at the airport. From what I know, the best bet is to get a phone number of a girl from another member and arrange to have her meet you at the Amari Hotel. Or, it's about a 30 minute cab ride to Nana/Sukhimvut. Grab a girl and go to a short time hotel. Then haul ass back to the airport.

Chok Dee Khrup! Sky Dog[/QUOTE]Thanks Wolf, 1 Ball and Sky Dog for the inputs on Transit fun. I guess it is better to visit Nana for sure shot fun. 1 hour to come out of the Airport (with Visa on arrival process) + 30 min to Nana + 2 hours of fun + 30 min to come back. I have one hour of buffer (for traffic contingency). I hope I should be able to make it with this plan. Will report back.

Regards

Purple

Purple2006, your timetable sounds perfect to me, except for 1 thing.
You have not taken BKK traffic into consideration.
I don't know what time of day all your fun is taking place, but in the afternoon, some parts of Sukhumvit, where Nana is located, can be a parking lot. In someinstances, pedestrians get around faster than vehicles.
So be careful, you don't want to miss your plane......or maybe you do ;)

Damage 4000 baht for LT + barfine

Blaquesmith. Little wonder she clung to you like a leach. Thats twice the amount for a girl from Soi Cowboy!

[QUOTE=Duniawala]No, no. He did not take 4000 baths. He paid 4000 Bahts.[/QUOTE]

Regardless of whether he paid 4000b or took 4000 baths, either way its still too much for only one nite.

[QUOTE=VanHalen5150]Damage 4000 baht for LT + barfine

Blaquesmith. Little wonder she clung to you like a leach. Thats twice the amount for a girl from Soi Cowboy![/QUOTE]

Take a look at the name of the place he got it from, then think Japan.

[QUOTE=Purple 2006]Thanks Wolf, 1 Ball and Sky Dog for the inputs on Transit fun. I guess it is better to visit Nana for sure shot fun. 1 hour to come out of the Airport (with Visa on arrival process) + 30 min to Nana + 2 hours of fun + 30 min to come back. I have one hour of buffer (for traffic contingency). I hope I should be able to make it with this plan. Will report back.

Regards

Purple[/QUOTE]

Purple,

Time will be very tight. There are too many things that you did not include in your timeline. Do you have 4-5 hours between flights or are you allocating an hour to check in and board, and saying you have 4-5 hours free to monger? What time are you landing? If it's after 11:00pm, yes you can get to BKK in about 30 minutes from the time you are getting in the cab till the time you reach Nana.

If it's in the afternoon or early evening you could be looking at an hour or more each way. It's gridlock. Freelancer or barfine? You need to include the wait time to get the bar fine paid and the girl to get dressed (10-15 minutes easy) or the time it takes to find an acceptable freelancer w/o ending up with a ladyboy instead! lol!

It may take you more than an hour to get out of the airport. There's the time it takes to get out of the plane, time getting to and through immigration lines (e.g. possible tram ride between plane and terminal and long lines at immigration), your visa situation, time to get your bearings, getting money exchanged, waiting in the taxi line or even finding the taxi line if it's your first time. Not trying to rain on your parade, but your timeline is based on everything going perfectly and with perfect knowledge of how everything works. I hate to say it, but that's probably not going to happen.

It's the 5-10 minutes here and there, walking, asking questions, paying for things, glitches, etc. that are going to easily add 1 hour or more to your scheduled activities. Without knowing your exact schedule, I am envisioning a 5:00pm arrival time, 7:00pm arrival at Nana Plaza, 8:00pm return ride to the airport, 9:00pm checkin, 10:30pm flight out of BKK. That leaves you 1 hour with which to decide which girl you want, getting the room (NEP does have a few skanky ST rooms), and probably a 15-30 minute quicky. Possible, but good luck!

You better have a plan B ready, so you don't miss out on what could be a memorable stopover.

AT2

Where is Soi Cowboy in relative position to Nana ? Is Soi Cowboy off Sukhumvit Rd or is it a different section of BKK all together ?

Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Savannah]I just spent two weeks in BKK and Phuket and had a great time. Not much new information to contribute but I would like to say thank you for all the good reports. First night, I took a small cutey from Nana plaza to the Nana short time room. She was small but powerful. i find Nana has better looking girls than cowboy or patpong, however, I was nicely surprised by the full nude dancing in many of the cowboy gogos. How come no one has mentioned this? Suzy Wong's has a great show and one of the best looking women I have seen in Thailand. Just one though.

Savannah[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blaquesmith] Damage 4000 baht for LT + barfine.[/QUOTE]Well, as the girls will say... "You have a Good Heart!"

Personally, I think you could have gotten away with at least 1K Baht less. But do as you please, it is your holiday.

As for the girls becoming "sticky" to you, I've had that happen too. Because I was staying a while, I was able to deal with it in my own way and I have written about it. The dynamic is different when you have less time. For more variety on shorter stays, the only way around it that I see, is to break up your selection of girls between a number of different bars. Find 1-2 potential girls from each to play with.

Cheers!

Fox

[QUOTE=Wolfsheim]Where is Soi Cowboy in relative position to Nana ? Is Soi Cowboy off Sukhumvit Rd or is it a different section of BKK all together ?

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

Soi 29 off of Suk.

[QUOTE=Wolfsheim]Where is Soi Cowboy in relative position to Nana ? Is Soi Cowboy off Sukhumvit Rd or is it a different section of BKK all together ?

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

They're in two different locations, one is very close to current airport on Sukhumvit -- less than 5 minutes away. The other -- Soi Cowboy is close to the new, soon to be opened airport in another part of town. Roughly B$200 apart by taxi, in no traffic.

Best place to stay that is in btw to both location is Patpong. Enjoy :D

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]They're in two different locations, one is very close to current airport on Sukhumvit -- less than 5 minutes away. The other -- Soi Cowboy is close to the new, soon to be opened airport in another part of town. Roughly B$200 apart by taxi, in no traffic.

Best place to stay that is in btw to both location is Patpong. Enjoy :D[/QUOTE]
What hotel would you suggest for that area T1234? :) I like staying on Sukhumvit, but get tired of being so darn close to the airport, those early morning take offs are just awful.
Thanks in advance.

1ball

Try the Nana Inn (not Nana Hotel) opposite side of the road to the world famous Grace Hotel. Soi 3, which is a side road off Sukhumvit Road. Also a stones throw from Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy and Annies, my favourite massage palour. Nice cozy quiet hotel with decent sized rooms and guest friendly. A 5 minute ride by tuk tuk should get you to all your desired destinations, if you get my drift!

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]They're in two different locations, one is very close to current airport on Sukhumvit -- less than 5 minutes away. The other -- Soi Cowboy is close to the new, soon to be opened airport in another part of town. Roughly B$200 apart by taxi, in no traffic.
Best place to stay that is in btw to both location is Patpong. Enjoy :D[/QUOTE]
[Quote=1Ball]What hotel would you suggest for that area T1234? I like staying on Sukhumvit, but get tired of being so darn close to the airport, those early morning take offs are just awful.
Thanks in advance.[/quote]Its nice to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] at newbies, eh?
Thats why I call those posts in the Thailand threads a kindergarten.
Ok, Wolfsheim, why don't you do a simple google search with
>"soi cowboy" bangkok location< Google makes life so easy after you learn to use it. And safer than asking here, since someone may even tell you to go to soi 355. Even though I think that Crypton's misleading answer may not have been intentionally misleading and you won't be far away then anyway.

[QUOTE=VanHalen5150]1ball

Try the Nana Inn (not Nana Hotel) opposite side of the road to the world famous Grace Hotel. Soi 3, which is a side road off Sukhumvit Road. Also a stones throw from Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy and Annies, my favourite massage palour. Nice cozy quiet hotel with decent sized rooms and guest friendly. A 5 minute ride by tuk tuk should get you to all your desired destinations, if you get my drift![/QUOTE]Sorry, VanHalen, but 1ball didn't mean to ask a question here.

I will be returning to BKK after my first trip in July. Last time I stayed in Nana area,
But this time I would like to move further up suck & spit & stay in grotty lodge.
What I would like to know is, what the entertainment is like around grottos lodge.
Is it a good location for the cowboy area and soi33? Is it walk able and how long would it take? Are there any other places of interest in that area, like beer gardens etc?

What are the costs like? My fear is that if there is not much entertainment about, and it is expensive, I might be temped to Pay grottos BF of 1500bth.

I assume Nana area is not in walking distance, but how long does it take in taxi?
Any help would be appreciated!

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Purple,

Time will be very tight. There are too many things that you did not include in your timeline. Do you have 4-5 hours between flights or are you allocating an hour to check in and board, and saying you have 4-5 hours free to monger? What time are you landing? If it's after 11:00pm, yes you can get to BKK in about 30 minutes from the time you are getting in the cab till the time you reach Nana.

If it's in the afternoon or early evening you could be looking at an hour or more each way. It's gridlock. Freelancer or barfine? You need to include the wait time to get the bar fine paid and the girl to get dressed (10-15 minutes easy) or the time it takes to find an acceptable freelancer w/o ending up with a ladyboy instead! lol!

It may take you more than an hour to get out of the airport. There's the time it takes to get out of the plane, time getting to and through immigration lines (e.g. possible tram ride between plane and terminal and long lines at immigration), your visa situation, time to get your bearings, getting money exchanged, waiting in the taxi line or even finding the taxi line if it's your first time. Not trying to rain on your parade, but your timeline is based on everything going perfectly and with perfect knowledge of how everything works. I hate to say it, but that's probably not going to happen.

It's the 5-10 minutes here and there, walking, asking questions, paying for things, glitches, etc. that are going to easily add 1 hour or more to your scheduled activities. Without knowing your exact schedule, I am envisioning a 5:00pm arrival time, 7:00pm arrival at Nana Plaza, 8:00pm return ride to the airport, 9:00pm checkin, 10:30pm flight out of BKK. That leaves you 1 hour with which to decide which girl you want, getting the room (NEP does have a few skanky ST rooms), and probably a 15-30 minute quicky. Possible, but good luck!

You better have a plan B ready, so you don't miss out on what could be a memorable stopover.

AT2[/QUOTE]Thanks AT2 for your thoughts. I have 5.5 hrs from landing to another take off. (Early evening time). I guess it would be tight. Let me see if I can pull it Off :)

Purple

PS: Any inputs for Plan B?

Purple: First thing is to get a taxi and straight into Nana along the highway paying all tollls. I presume you are checking your luggage through. I laos do not know if your passport is machine readable. With the Yamks pisisng their knickers over securoty, if your passport is not machine readable, you could lose 15 minutes on the immigration queue.

Assuming your passport is ok and you have checked your main stuff through, take very little hand luggage and run like fuck to the Immigration desk. Seat yourself near the doors to get a headstart.

Once you clear customs, change money, including your exist fee of 550 baht. Then jump in a taxi either at arrivals or departures. Get drkopped off at the corner of Nana and Suk and stock up on your Viagra (and condoms for the ladies) Then hot foot it to some shag fest like Annnies or Eden. Then fuck your brains out. Your time constraints mean you have no time for window shopping, just some heavy duty shagging. If you are doingt a long fliught, you might find a massage, a blow job and a rim are better than firing all of your guns at once.

When you are finished, give the slappers a friendly pat on the arse for a job well done and taxi it back to the airport.

Time is important to you not money so go for the ready made fuck and suck package. You can buy Viagra at the airport but you don't have the time.

Annies might be better than Eden. Soemwhere you can park, plonk and depart.

[QUOTE=Purple 2006]Thanks AT2 for your thoughts. I have 5.5 hrs from landing to another take off. (Early evening time). I guess it would be tight. Let me see if I can pull it Off :)

Purple

PS: Any inputs for Plan B?[/QUOTE]

Purple,

As far as plan B is concerned, I would recommend that 1st, you get a Visa before you arrive in BKK. You do not want to be wasting time getting a Visa upon arrival. You do NOT have time to waste.

Recommendation #2 is to hit Google and do some searching. Contact an Escort Agency, Limo service or something similar and find out what kind of options you might have. I listed some agencies below. I have only tried Number 1 BKK Models and don't know any of the others first hand. It was 3,000 baht years ago, and now the websites say 6,000 baht. 3 times as expensive as the norm in the city, so it depends how much you want to pay for the experience. I tried Number 1 BKK Models years ago, when my flight was delayed and I got to my hotel at 3:00am in the morning. I was tired and too dead to go hunting, so I called them and they delivered.

If you can arrange a girl to meet you at the airport, then you can book at the Amari and spend some time there. You can also shoot for Nana with her in tow and have her as your backup plan, although she may not be too happy about it. Either way, though, you will need to pay her the agency fee. Could get expensive. You can also head toward Nana and see how traffic is and reverse back to the airport if traffic looks like a nightmare. At least you will have the girl with you. Check with the driver and find out how long it took him to get to the airport. The comments below with the links are not mine, but part of the "advertising" posted along with the links.

Here's a short list of options:

Agencies:
Number 1 BKK Models
Has a large selection of escort girls, and claims that they are all models. Not strictly true, of course, but some of the girls are very attractive. Conveniently, a lot of them are pictured on their website. Seems to specialise in shorter bookings, of 24 hours or less
Website – Tel. +66 (0) 2641 9099, +66 (0) 2641 9007 or +66 (0) 9897 9801 – [url]http://www.bangkok-escorts.com/[/url]

Absolute Girls Escort
Also with a large selection to choose from, and again with copious amounts of real pictures on the website, this is a nice and reasonably priced agency. Confidential and discrete also.
Website – Tel. +66 (0) 9993 9306
[url]http://www.joy-thaimodel.com/[/url]

Bangkok New Girls
Providing a range of services and some pretty girls, this friendly escort agency is also reasonably priced. They pride themselves on their discretion and confidentiality also.
Website – Tel. +66 (0) 7114 5669
[url]http://www.thegoldenstar1.com/[/url]

Eros
One of the classier establishments, this agency can arrange your entire luxury holiday for you; flights and accommodation included. Expect a very high level of service here, but don't bother contacting them if you’re just after a bit of company to spice up your quiet night in!
Website – Tel. +66 (0) 4660 2583
[url]http://www.erosbangkok.com/[/url]

Massage w/o outside services:
[url]http://bambammassage.com/[/url]

[url]http://kokomassage.com/[/url]

[url]http://ogotomassage.client.jp/en.html[/url]

[url]http://www.paithailand.com/orchidmassage/eng/index.php[/url]

[url]http://www.sabaisabaimassage.com/p1.html[/url]

I am not recommending any of these places. Not even sure if they would service the Amari or provide transportation. I am just throwing them out as options. Do some homework and be sure to report your experiences. All of the stuff that I just wrote is me thinking and typing out loud and on the fly and may not make a bit of sense once I step back and look at it! lol!

In some ways, the pure experience of seeing Nana first hand, might be more valuable than the sex itself.

Be creative!

Good luck!
AT2

Asai T2: Good effort to help Deep Purple. I suggested he just hit a soapie or a sperm factory like Eden. He does NOT have time for fucking around as you so rightly say. I also asked the sperm catcher advertising in the classified section to hit him up. If all she is going to do is put and ad in and not chase up the punters, it's not much use is it? It's kinda fun helping tardfs isn't it? It's a pity Purple will miss out on one night in Bangkok but hey, we're al ltrying to help right.

The Traveler would probably know. I found his comments and Terry Terrier's helpful and more on pic than the many others who come here just to jerk off.

[QUOTE=Bold Focker]I will be returning to BKK after my first trip in July. Last time I stayed in Nana area,
But this time I would like to move further up suck & spit & stay in grotty lodge.
...
What are the costs like? My fear is that if there is not much entertainment about, and it is expensive, I might be temped to Pay grottos BF of 1500bth.

I assume Nana area is not in walking distance, but how long does it take in taxi?
Any help would be appreciated![/QUOTE]Bold Focker,

Grotto??? Who is that :) ?

Info:

The Lodge is in the center of the entertainment area Soi 33, more than 30 hostess bars / pubs around here, lot's of restaurants. Soi 33 is the socalled Painter Soi, because many of the bars are named after painters.

Soi Cowboy is in walking distance from Livingstone's Lodge, Nana is not. Skytrain 5 min. . Taxi between 5 min. and 1 hour, depending on the traffic.

Barfines: THB 1,500.00 until 11.00 pm, afterwards THB 1,000.00

More info here:

[post]497618[/post]

Grotto! Can somebody believe that ... LOL.


Giotto

It's not Grotto, you BESTARD, it's GROTTY GROTTO
:):):)
(laughing hysterically)

What about Giotto's Grotto?

[QUOTE=Tiger 1]Its nice to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] at newbies, eh?
Thats why I call those posts in the Thailand threads a kindergarten.
Ok, Wolfsheim, why don't you do a simple google search with
>"soi cowboy" bangkok location< Google makes life so easy after you learn to use it. And safer than asking here, since someone may even tell you to go to soi 355. Even though I think that Crypton's misleading answer may not have been intentionally misleading and you won't be far away then anyway.[/QUOTE]

tiger1

It was i who took the first [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] -crypton beat me by about 3 minutes because i actually went through Wolf's "long history" of posts before completing my reply. 1Ball merely flushed the toilet

Here is a guy who lands in Bkk, asks about lesbian action in a polite way, get's some good responses, and after 2-3 days on Sukhumvit Rd with his gay female traveling companion - scores action.

How in the world can he then ask re Soi Cowboy and Nana relative location? Did he have his head buried in pussy the entire time?

Seems like a LAZY not a newbie query. If wolf actually believed what i wrote, which was done in tongue/cheek fashion, he deserves the hike out to the airports. IMHO


LOL

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]
1Ball merely flushed the toilet
LOL[/QUOTE]
Is that all I am good for? Sigh...
The funny part, (for me at least), was getting an answer to my "question".
LMAO

[quote=bold focker]i will be returning to bkk after my first trip in july. last time i stayed in nana area,
but this time i would like to move further up suck & spit & stay in grotty lodge.
what i would like to know is, what the entertainment is like around grottos lodge.
is it a good location for the cowboy area and soi33? is it walk able and how long would it take? are there any other places of interest in that area, like beer gardens etc?

what are the costs like? my fear is that if there is not much entertainment about, and it is expensive, i might be temped to pay grottos bf of 1500bth.

i assume nana area is not in walking distance, but how long does it take in taxi?
any help would be appreciated![/quote]

boldfocker

start here:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=497816&postcount=6[/url]

polite suggestion to read it all before asking another question....almost everything and anything you need to know re soi 33, mp, etc. etc. is posted there.

1ball - your turn to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] :)

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]is it safe to flush a toilet on Soi 33 and Mr. G's?[/QUOTE]
T1234, am confused, are you trying to flush the toilet, or are you trying to flush Mrs G?
On another note, it looks like Piper and I might land in BKK around the same time, end of September. Cannot tell you where we are staying though, I don't want to overflow onto the wrong thread. So it shall remain a secret

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]tiger1

It was i who took the first [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] -crypton beat me by about 3 minutes because i actually went through Wolf's "long history" of posts before completing my reply. 1Ball merely flushed the toilet

Here is a guy who lands in Bkk, asks about lesbian action in a polite way, get's some good responses, and after 2-3 days on Sukhumvit Rd with his gay female traveling companion - scores action.

How in the world can he then ask re Soi Cowboy and Nana relative location? Did he have his head buried in pussy the entire time?

Seems like a LAZY not a newbie query. If wolf actually believed what i wrote, which was done in tongue/cheek fashion, he deserves the hike out to the airports. IMHO


LOL[/QUOTE]In this case you are right, I din't take the pain to go through the history. I suspected something like this, thats why I didn't answer either and told him to google. But wouldn't it be better to take the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] through pm rather than possibly confusing others? You see the outcome by the answer of VanHalen.

Sounds like I have upset the boss before I have even booked, let alone arrived. LOL

I was thinking of you as a "Santa Clause individual"

[QUOTE=Giotto]Bold Focker,

Grotto??? Who is that :) ?

Info:

The Lodge is in the center of the entertainment area Soi 33, more than 30 hostess bars / pubs around here, lot's of restaurants. Soi 33 is the socalled Painter Soi, because many of the bars are named after painters.

Soi Cowboy is in walking distance from Livingstone's Lodge, Nana is not. Skytrain 5 min. . Taxi between 5 min. and 1 hour, depending on the traffic.

Barfines: THB 1,500.00 until 11.00 pm, afterwards THB 1,000.00

More info here:

[post]497618[/post]

Grotto! Can somebody believe that ... LOL.

Giotto[/QUOTE]

I suggest we do as follows:
[quote=pre-RTTF or illiterate newbie]Could you please tell me everything about Bangkok? Are there youg girls in Bangkok? Do they know how to fuck? Do we need to pay them or will they pay us?[/quote][size=-2][b][u]CONTRIBUTING SENIOR READER'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that everyone on the board ignores a pre-RTTF question. See the forum guidelines for directions on how to ignore a report.[/blue][/size]

HEy guys,
talke to one of my long time f*** toys yesterday.
She told me about a new disco named boss colse to the Hyatt.
Open from 2am to 6am. Anybody been there already? She said great girl to guy ratio (she more complained about it btw. ;-)). Sounds like Galaxy before.
Rgds,
Mike

As a newbie preparing for my first trip to LOS in mid-October, I found this URL to be informative regarding the new BKK airport, especially the fact that bus service will be available directly from the airport to the BTS skytrain, and also directly from the airport to Pattaya.

Daddy07

[url]http://www.bangkokairportonline.com/[/url] -- Bangkok's new Suvarnabhumi Airport is now set to open for commercial purposes on September 28, 2006.
Free shuttle bus service is provided for passengers and airport staff. Expess route connects the main terminal directly to the transport center. Ordinary route connects to other airport facilities. For passenger convenience shuttle buses serving Suvarnabhumi airport are low-floor type. Public bus service: is provided from the Bus Terminal at the Transport Center. Take a shuttle bus (Express route) to the Transport Center (Bus Number 552 - Suvarnabhumi Airport - On Nut BTS station Bus Number 389 - Suvarnabhumi Airport – Pattaya) Taxi’s: Passenger pick up at the taxi stand at Transport center.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]As a newbie preparing for my first trip to LOS in mid-October, I found this URL to be informative regarding the new BKK airport, especially the fact that bus service will be available directly from the airport to the BTS skytrain, and also directly from the airport to Pattaya.

Daddy07

.[/QUOTE]


Thanks for the update. There is still a big question whether the new airport will open on time as its over 1 year late (original date was in 2005).
Nothing new about airport buses connecting to BTS as some A-buses from current airport still connects to BTS lines.

It seems to me there will be a tight control on taxis/cabs. No more getting them at arrivals. I would not be surprised if taxi drivers had to pay a special premium to work at the airport or it was handed out to political friends and cronies. This airport has been a major investment and they will have to get the money back somehow. Expect higher prices.

The new deals for budget airlines also seems suspect. That might be code for making Thai airways stronger and its competitors weaker. It wil be interesting to see how airlines stuck at the old airport fare.

Good post, daddy/dad.

looks like this thread is being quoted by the bangkok post [url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/perspective/27aug2006_pers001.php[/url] and of course it as usual relates all sex tourism to child prostitution which is insane unless things have drastically changed since i was there and did extensive reports at
[url]http://www.sexwork.com/thailand/contents.html[/url]

someone needs do clue these editors in that i assume all here abhore child prostitution but it is just a lie to try to imply that is the purpose of guys going to thailand! maybe the editor will read this since he has read this thread and quoted from it.

most of the u.s. press is reporting how prostitution is illegal in thailand but the police are corrupt and ignore it. again total lies by the ignorant press it seems to me.

where are all these children? a national news show had an undercover reporter go into what looked like nana plaza strip clubs (forget the name) and interview a women offerring him a 15 yr old girl! is this possible with the extreme penalties for ****d at entertainment places.

or what is going on?

the media also seems to have no clue about the legal situation in thailand. correct me if i am wrong but....

prevention and suppression of prostitution act, b.e. 2539 (1996) passed due to western morality pressure making prostitution illegal but it did not revoke the the entertainment places act of 1966 that exempts special services at entertainment places which is all the gogo bars, massages places etc where westerners usually go. they protected the vast amount of income going to adult women to help support their children, their parents and grandparents often in poverty in rural thailand by making the vast consenting adult "prostitution" businesses open to foreign visitors legally bringing in millions of dollars/baht to support usually impoverished women and their children.

as a western visitor the child thing is totally mind blowing to me. with severe penalties for owners of entertainment places to hire and when i was there didn't see any children as far as i know. i was active on many thai sex tourist boards and i never read a word about anyone seeking ****d girls . many guys wanted to be sure to avoid accidentally being picked up by one. the advice is to avoid the street or beach gals that solicit you and stay with the entertainment places where the owners risk prison and huge fines if they hire anyone ****d.

it is not surprising that the "corrupt" thai police don't go out busting the local usually rural thai brothels which few foreigners would ever find. why enforce a law forced on a culture by outside moralists against what has for centuries been a normal part of thai culture just to please another foreign culture that has no business imposing its morality on the thai people.

but most news reports are tying sex tourists 99% i bet have never seen a local brothel as the issue.

another interesting report:
thailand child prostitution and trafficking - international justice mission (ijm) - bill gates support
first the ijm said they were combating child prostitution. when it became apparent to everyone that child prostitutes are quite rare, they jumped on this trafficking bandwagon. once it becomes obvious that sex slaves are even less common than child prostitutes, what will be their next excuse to get grant money from the us government?

the girls unfurl a banner with a photo of burmese sex workers being abducted from thai brothels to illustrate that one of the organizations (the international justice mission, or ijm) bill and melinda have aligned themselves with is bad news. khartini slamah, a malaysian transsexual activist, elbows past the press and says, "you're dumping your money in the wrong place" upon which bill and melinda are whooshed away, all in under two minutes.

to be fair, the gates have given money to some awesome sex-worker organizations in india, but the ijm is described by andrew hunter from the asian pacific network of sex workers as "rabidly fundamentalist." he talks about the "rescue and repatriation" tactics of the ijm. after kidnapping sex workers with the help of the local constabulary, they incarcerate them, then force them back to their native countries, one of which is burma, a military state that a lot of women leave expressly because it's a military state. sometimes they just plop the women somewhere halfway and they are left with the dangerous and expensive task of returning themselves. this is all done under the auspices of anti-trafficking (oddly, using the same methods as traffickers), though many of these sex workers are not trafficked.
source: woodhullfoundation mailing list

another upsetting issue is that the bush administration early in 2006 passed the first federal law that deals with prostitution other than the mann act. it gives millions of dollars to combat "trafficking" which includes consenting adult private sexuality. if forced upon the women then it is "extreme trafficking" but the doj with grants to local police is going after private consenting adults - which is legal in almost all the world except the u.s. (as it is in thailand for special services from entertainment places) and charging husbands for example of a gal (aussie amber) with federal felonies just for helping his wife set up appts under the new "trafficking law" that is how sick and out of control the bush admin is in the u.s. and there are attempts now to go after u.s. citizens going to other countries to charge with felonies even if its totally legal in the country they visit such as in thailand, canada, and most of the world.

dave in phoenix
promoting positive intimacy and sexuality for consenting adults
sexwork research center
htttp://www.sexwork.com
[url]http://www.sexworkcanada.com[/url]
[url]http://www.libchrist.com[/url]
[url]http://www.lovetouch.info[/url]

[quote=davephx]looks like this thread is being quoted by the bangkok post
<...>
someone needs do clue these editors in that i assume all here abhore child prostitution but it is just a lie to try to imply that is the purpose of guys going to thailand! maybe the editor will read this since he has read this thread and quoted from it.

most of the u.s. press is reporting how prostitution is illegal in thailand but the police are corrupt and ignore it. again total lies by the ignorant press it seems to me.

where are all these children? a national news show had an undercover reporter go into what looked like nana plaza strip clubs (forget the name) and interview a women offerring him a 15 yr old girl! is this possible with the extreme penalties for ****d at entertainment places.

or what is going on?

the media also seems to have no clue about the legal situation in thailand. correct me if i am wrong but....
<...>
[/quote]
dave,

while i completely concur re: your attitudes regarding child sex, there a few things i'd like to point out. (btw, i'm not a lawyer; i don't play one on tv; and i haven't been to a holiday inn express in ages - but i do reside in bangkok, when not traveling on business throughout asia.)

- prostitution is illegal in thailand. however, my "compensated companions" enter into a private contract between legal adults which thai law considers just that: a private transaction, not prostitution.

- while i have no idea of how widespread it is, i remember having a beer in a certain nep establishment some months back, and chatted with a young-looking lady. she was 16, and asked if i wanted to bar fine her. i declined, and quickly moved to another bar.

unfortunately it seems those of us who pursue consenting sex with legal adults are being catagorized with those who would prey on children. and since the karr thing, it appears the long-suffering easl teachers are also being painted by that same brush.

btw, if one thinks thai police are "corrupt", i would suggest even they could take lessons from the overlapping-jurisdictional paramilitary folks in manila.

-y

Yi Ren

Thanks for good info. I think we need to be more visible being clear we have no interest in child sex. The Karr incident just make matters worse for those here seeking private consenting adult interactions.

I agree that the Manila situation as I've reported on in my PI reports. Thai police especially the tourist police the last I knew had very good reputation.

[QUOTE=Yi Ren]I remember having a beer in a certain NEP establishment some months back, and chatted with a young-looking lady. She was 16, and asked if I wanted to bar fine her. I declined, and quickly moved to another bar.

-Y[/QUOTE]I had a similar experience in Cowboy a few months back. I can't remember which bar but it was a couple down from Tilac on the same side.

She didn't tell me how old she was but she was clearly 15 or 16 and told me her mother worked in the bar. She asked if I wanted 'boom boom' upstairs.

I bought her a drink and then headed to another bar.

Dave, the media will report what they want to report, irrespective of the facts. Note that the story which quotes the ISG thread makes absolutely no claim that the ISG discussion ever so much as mentions children, only a conversation about an encounter which would involve adults at the airport, or dealing with the logistics of airport traffic. What they were decrying was the mere existence of this resource at all, even though it was being used for consensual encounters between adults. They in the press made a link between adults involved in consensual commercial sex, and the exploitation of children which was, at the very most, a tenuous link of coincidence, and in fact showed no actual evidence of that linkage, and the authors were almost apologetic over that lack of evidence in the story.

The fact is, John Mark Karr WAS in Thailand, and pretty much everyone knows WHY he was in Thailand. Eventually, that bit of tawdry news will get stale. The good news is that he no longer is, and it was cooperation between the Thai legal system and the U.S. that got him removed. All that WE can do is insure that our own forum never tolerates the exploitation of children, and that we as individuals steer clear of such heinous behavior, and confine ourselves to interactions with people who are old enough to fully comprehend their actions, and free enough to control their own behavior and the people that they meet, for reasons of their own choosing.

i think if most folks read the press they would assume the sex tourists were looking for children that seems sadly to be the implication.

i agree we need more posts making clear we have no such interest and need to stay clear. maybe more media is reading this thread since it was quoted in the post and probably picked up by the ap etc.

sex tourism the big bad thing now in the u.s. press 99% has nothing whatsover to do with children. i have no idea how i would find a child if i wanted to (i don't). we all run not walk if we think a gal is ****d. that is not the interest of most sex tourists especialy via the internet tour groups now under so much attack such as bao, gunter's group etc.

the founder of bao (big apple orientel) fighting criminal charges for sex tourism in the u.s. is using my article with politititions in the u.s. trying to head off more anti trafficking laws that include consenting adult sexuality trying to make it a u.s. crime to do even in a country where its all legal and nothing to do with children or women forced into prostitution

[quote]What is all this child crap reported by Bangkok Post etc?[/quote]
Just go to the photo gallery and see the today's pictures. -
Update: They were deleted by the admin.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]Dave, the media will report what they want to report, irrespective of the facts. Note that the story which quotes the ISG thread makes absolutely no claim that the ISG discussion ever so much as mentions children, only a conversation about an encounter which would involve adults at the airport, or dealing with the logistics of airport traffic. What they were decrying was the mere existence of this resource at all, even though it was being used for consensual encounters between adults. They in the press made a link between adults involved in consensual commercial sex, and the exploitation of children which was, at the very most, a tenuous link of coincidence, and in fact showed no actual evidence of that linkage, and the authors were almost apologetic over that lack of evidence in the story.

The fact is, John Mark Karr WAS in Thailand, and pretty much everyone knows WHY he was in Thailand. Eventually, that bit of tawdry news will get stale. The good news is that he no longer is, and it was cooperation between the Thai legal system and the U.S. that got him removed. All that WE can do is insure that our own forum never tolerates the exploitation of children, and that we as individuals steer clear of such heinous behavior, and confine ourselves to interactions with people who are old enough to fully comprehend their actions, and free enough to control their own behavior and the people that they meet, for reasons of their own choosing.[/QUOTE]

The news media "as a rule of thumb" will not knowingly lie but and I mean BUT they will sensationalize, blow out of proportion, color, mask and avoid anything that takes away from their story line.

The old adage, don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see because there is always another side of the story. The news media isn't what it was 40 years ago.

Shamas O'D

[b]this fr is based on a late-night excursion in january, 2006. i'm dividing it into parts to make it easier to read.[/b]

evil


an odd set of circumstances put me in a cab at 1.30 a.m. on a monday morning, heading down sukhumvit road to the parking lot of the nana hotel. about seven hours earlier i had stretched out on my comfortable bed at the town lodge hotel and turned on the tv to catch up with what was happening in the world. however, the effects of jet lag and two days of heavy partying bkk style caught up with me and i drifted off into much needed sleep.

normally, i set things up for l/t companionship ahead of arriving in los, but fate had conspired against me this time. my long-time favorite, gina, had recently quit the eden club and was doing escort. she said via email that a customer was taking her traveling for several weeks, so she was already booked except for one night of my bkk stay. she'd also emailed me she'd taken back her previous working name, gaow (aka mistress gaow) and i had been tempted to greet her with a hearty "how now, brown gaow!" when i met up with her at glow on the previous saturday night, but i kept that quip to myself. we had a tremendous session and a lot of fun reminiscing about old times, but i wouldn't be able to see her beyond that night. ([b]note:[/b]gina recently returned to the eden club.)

i could also only get one night with another of my eden favorites because she was going "on holiday," so i had to think of alternatives. my plan for the evening had been to spend a few hours in toxic at the tl and possibly barfine one of the very attractive young ladies had the chemistry proved right. a visit to the eden club and making new acquaintances there was my back-up plan. but by 1.00 a.m., both toxic and eden were closed, so i showered quickly and set out for that never-fail option, the nana hotel.

if lower sukhumvit road is the mecca of mongering, then the parking lot of the nana hotel is the kaaba, the holiest of holies, the place to which every true monger is bound to make a pilgrimage once in his lifetime. i prefer to do my hobbying under more organized circumstances and have never actually taken a lady from the nana car park itself. but it's always an entertaining place to visit, sort of people watching gone bizarre. it's the entire thailand p4p experience - the good and the bad - stripped of any pretense and reduced to its barest.

traffic was thick on sukhumvit road and i jumped out of the cab about even with the landmark hotel. i immediately encountered three totally sloshed young men, two of whom were supporting the third. they didn't look old enough to have been legally served at any bar in europe or north america, but obviously hadn't met with such problems in bkk. the least intoxicated of the trio asked me where sukhumvit road was. i stood well clear of them, as the semi-comatose one looked like he'd projectile vomit at any second. tender thai temptresses, not tipsy teenage tossers, were my concern, so i pointed them in the direction from which i'd just come and moved past them. they were in any case beyond comprehending the spoken word and stumbled off in a drunkard's version of a three-legged race.

i hadn't even gotten to the corner of soi 4 and already the sidewalk was packed with punters and providers. the night was very humid and the air was still. the essence of wet pussy - well lubricated of course - is so palpable over the lower suk that it almost sticks to your skin. hundreds are buying, hundreds are selling, and everything for blocks around is driven by that simple equation.

as i turn into soi 4, i see an elephant in the street about level with the entrance to nana car park. a drunk middle-aged farang, jumbo-sized himself, is trying to hug the elephant around the neck while his buddies take pictures. that's pretty standard los tourist fare, but then he begins to nuzzle and lick the elephant's ear, an image i could have lived without. i dodge taxis and tuk-tuks to cross the street to avoid a closer encounter. i was a bit afraid that one night the noise and confusion would become too much for the poor beast and it would lash out at anyone nearby. with its size and weight, it could do considerable damage should it get out of control. i'm talking about the farang now - the elephant was enduring the whole thing with buddha-like calm.

the street and sidewalks, as well as the bars dotting soi 4, are jammed with people. young, old, thai, farang, beautiful, hideous, drunk, sober and drugged, the standard los mix. i fend off the three or four lady boys lined up beside the entrance to the car park. girls are standing shoulder to shoulder on the steps of golden bar outside the hotel, but the scene in the lot is thinner. some very attractive ladies are plying their trade, obviously nep bar girls who haven't hooked up earlier or are back for another round. at that point i'm feeling more peckish than peckerish, so i passed up all the inviting looks and "hello, sir" greetings. i stepped into the nana coffee shop for a bite to eat and a few minutes of relief from the heat, pollution and intensity of the scene outside.

but before sitting down, i checked out the lobby area. like on earlier occasions, i noticed several quite elderly gentlemen sitting on the sofas near the reception desk. i've often wanted to talk with these patriarchs of the punter tribe, but can never figure out a way to strike up a conversation. i also have mixed feelings every time i see them. if i make it to 80 years of age - an outside chance at best - i certainly hope i have somewhere better to be at 2.00 a.m. in the morning than the lobby of the nana hotel. on the other hand, it sure the hell beats 9.00 p.m. mandatory bedtime at a retirement home in miami or on long island. so all power to you, gentlemen, and a very respectful tip of the evil pen.

i went back to the coffee shop and took a seat at a table by the window from which i can watch the merry goings-on outside. a few indian guys were more or chasing girls up and down the lot. they weren't having much luck - the girls were all moving away as fast as they could - but the guys were nevertheless smiling and appeared to be enjoying themselves. in the nightly pussy pursuit along the suk, the indian punters are pretty much naan-starters.

i did hear of one tg who became enamored of a good-looking, wealthy young indian man and wanted to marry him, but didn't like performing oral sex on him because his hygiene was so poor. from his side, he wouldn't consider a long-term relationship, much less marriage, if it didn't include blowjobs. the tg realized how difficult it would be to have her kaek and eat it too.

but the indian guys and the methuselahs of mongering in the lobby weren't the only nana examples of hope beating eternal in the human breast. a young spinner bg, dressed in a belly shirt and shorts, suddenly appeared directly outside the window where i was sitting, surveyed the lot, then sat on the curb. she proceeded to pull from her handbag a pair of glasses with the biggest and thickest lenses i've ever seen and began reading a book. the illustration on the cover indicated it was a romance novel of some kind. the parking lot at nana has to be one of the least romantic places in thailand, if not the world, but here she was, seeking at least a few moments of escape from the bump and grind of the nep life. no doubt a farang, probably twice her age and three times her weight, would soon be contracting for her services, but until then, she could dream of a love affair the likes of which she'd never experience for real.

on that depressing note, i finished my plate of noodles, called my check and settled my bill. when i looked out the window again, the spinner was gone. as i was taking the last sips of my beer, i noticed one those guys who give mongers a bad name, which takes a bit of doing in the nana car park. he was caucasian, but i have no idea where he was from.

he approached the girls as though he were judging cattle at a state fair. he looked them over from tip to toe, his eyes lingering on their breasts and groins. he felt the girls' asses to see if they were firm enough and tried to lift their blouses, apparently in search of stretch marks. i couldn't hear anything that was going on, but i imagined he wasn't offering to pay generously. most agreements are reached quickly in the nana lot, but this guy was talking at length with the girls one by one and they would, in turn, all shake their heads “no.”

it was obvious the girls, especially the cuter ones towards the center of the lot, were peeved by this jerk's behavior. i'm sure he thought he was being very clever and was determined not to be cheated by any bg, but he came across as the worst kind of fool. behavior that's appropriate inside a go go bar isn't acceptable outside when dozens of people are watching. i kept hoping one of the girls would slap him, but that's not their way. they just backed off and kept him at bay with words or gestures.

i decided to exit nana and look elsewhere for after-hours action - it's not hard to find girls on the lower suk anytime after 8.00 p.m. until at least 6.00 a.m. while the focus of activity remains the nana car park and outlying beer bars, the wee-hours commerce in **** spills over with a vengeance all up and down sukhumvit road between soi 1 and soi 33. bangkok is often likened to a sexual theme park, with rides and attractions for everyone. the budget-minded as well as the big spenders can find something to suit their tastes. street vendors and fold-up sidewalk eateries do a roaring business, but it's the sale of tail that holds the whole thing together.

[center][b]part 2 to follow[/b] [/center]

This Is A Massive Long Shot But Is Anyone Familiar With A Girl Called Jai Who Used To Work In Spice Girls In Soi Cowboy 2005.

She Spent 6 Months In Isaan Nursing Her Mum While She Passed Away. Another Tragic Country Girl Story. She Was Without Exception And Still Is An Extremely Glamarous Women.

I Saw Her In April And Suggested That She Get A Job In 7/11 Or Anywhere Back There As Hypocritical As That Is Of Me, Which She Surprisingly Did, But She Then Disappeared Again.

She's More Than Likely Doing What She Did, So Thought I'd Post This Message With You Pests Just On The Off Chance! Tatoo On Left Breast And Left Arm. She Is Stunning.

Please Excuse Capitals As Button Jammed.

[blue]Hi,

I sincerely appreciate your reports, but...

[red][u]Would you please STOP capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports![/u][/red]

It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: [i]Thank You![/i]

Jackson[/blue]

Tiger,

That one set of photos is being discussed on other message boards with references to sending them to the police, etc. etc. Thank goodness they were deleted.

Wow, I felt like I was there. I can't wait for Part 2! I've read about Gina before, maybe it was a story you posted in the past, something about being sick and Gina taking care of you? Anyway, I will be there soon and since my flight lands at 11pm that first night will be the Nana parking lot. Eden's will be the next day.

My first trip to LOS begins in just two days. I've read, reread as many posts as I could for the last couple of months. I just hope I can keep all my facts straight -- watch, I'll pay 1500bht for a beer and expect to get LT for 150bht -- I've got too much info.

I'll try to post some reports during the days, and I hope I can give back as much as I've gotten from these boards.

Thanks all.

Friday 2pm I called up my mate and told him that it would be not a bad idea to go for a BKK ST Trip until Sunday. Get online, book flight and hotel and by 6pm we were on the plane to LOS.

Arriving in BKK at 8 PM was a new one for us but turned out to be good as traffic was excellent and we hit out hunting grounds (aka Hotel) by about 8:45pm. (Immigration was smooth as always, at least for us)

Check in, and not wasting time we headed to Country Road in Soi Cowboy. Friendly greeting by the manager and the girls. Of course we ordered some food, Beef Salad etc while downing Singhas in a steady but rather fast pace. Pool, Beer and ladies, heaven. My chick Bee was there and my mate was teaming up with Tuk Ta (the gal in my photo gallery post). Nice chatting and playing pool, time is moving quickly. We enjoyed the band, and the rather annoying, drunk, tourist singers who thought they could race up the charts by singing “My Way” in a completely wrong tune. But who cares? We are in LOS and that’s what counts.

Around 1am, the bar was closing and, as usual, we moved outside and “enjoyed” a Thai hot pot (the gals ordered) and several (27 to be exact) Tequilas ! Not a good idea…but hey…fun anyway. By about 3 am we decide to go back to the hotel, arm in arm with the ladies. My mate is hitting the room with Tuk Ta and me with Bee. Being rock hard and horny as hell, we don’t wait long and start kissing and soon enough raincoat is on and there we go, fucking away. I assumed my mate is doing a similar thing. Being able to finish in timely manner (It can take hours when the alcohol level is high) we start the normal, fucking, shower, sleep, fucking, shower, sleep cycle. You surely all know what I am talking about. It is in BKK where I probably take my record amount of showers in one night!!
I am already looking forward to the morning, as there usually the head is clear and fucking is even better. Well, I am, as most men, a morning-guy. Wake up, hard-on and here we go humping away (me with headache as I am hung-over) until I suddenly recognize that there is something wrong. FUCK, I am shagging her ass!!! I am absolutely not into this and pull out immediately. She just grinning at me with a sneaky smile…weird huh? I was thinking, gee that pussy is FUCKING tight, tighter than last night but there you have it.
Ok, around 10 am it is time for her to leave. 2000bath and she is gone. I am surely going to miss her as she is absolutely GFE! A nice gal which is a lot of fun, truly!

So I call up my mate and see if his “sex toy” has left also. He just asks me to come over to his “loom”, so I do. He doesn’t look very happy. As a matter of fact: He looks TOO RELAXED. He tells me that Tuk Ta left after about 2 hrs when they got to the room. She had to help friend, who didn’t have a key, to open the door or some sorry excuse like that. Well that’s not nice. He is rather pissed off and says he is still fucking horny.

So off we go, heading for Soi 7 to play some pool and then lunch next door and then a beer or 2 in the BG. Then my mate went off to his favorite Massage place in Soi 7/1 and I head back to Country Road to play pool with a gal named Naa. Nice chick but cant speak English, but then again what do I care?
Around 5pm my mate is back and Bee and Tuk Ta are there too. My mate is determined to “correct” yesterday’s failure with Tuk Ta and get things sorted out with her back in the hotel tonight. We bar fine them at about 8 pm then head to NANA as they would like to see the clubs there (which we thought is rather weird) then headed on for some drinks in several bars (Gulliver’s was off limit as they are 19 only).

Around 11pm back in the hotel and me heading to my “loom” with Bee and my mate to his with Tuk Ta. I told him to call me if she fails him again and so we could go and hunt some other gals. I hear nothing from him, so I keep on humping Bee while watching football. She likes football very much and we decided to fuck and try to time ourselves with a goal (weird I know).
Anyway, it was a good night of GFE, CIM and regular and weird humping. (Soar knees from the fucked up mattress cover)

We have to catch an early flight on Sunday, so I got up at 6 am already and said bye to Bee. We are both truly sad, but surely will meet again.
Heading over to my mates room I can see Tuk Ta leaving his room with a rather un happy face. Well, at least she stayed overnight, I told myself.
When I see my mate, I can tell things are fucked up again. He finally told me she was terrible in bed. Didn’t move, not even look at him. Passive as hell and dead as a fish. How can someone fuck somebody like that, I do not blame my mate to be upset. Apparently she always wanted him to fuck her in the ass and when he tried to enter her pussy she would try to divert his dick into her ass. Sorry, but we DON’T LIKE this. Anal is not our thing.

Then heading to airport and back home.
Next trip my mate has much to be compensated of and I am sure he will be, so no worries.

Evil, just a short note to say that was beyond amazing. A great read.

LN

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel][B]This FR is based on a late-night excursion in January, 2006. I'm dividing it into parts to make it easier to read.[/B]

[QUOTE=Tono59]My first trip to LOS begins in just two days. I've read, reread as many posts as I could for the last couple of months. I just hope I can keep all my facts straight -- watch, I'll pay 1500bht for a beer and expect to get LT for 150bht -- I've got too much info.

I'll try to post some reports during the days, and I hope I can give back as much as I've gotten from these boards.

Thanks all.[/QUOTE]
Tono, we all wish you luck, and BTW, funny first post. Nice to see you have done some homework. That is the way it should be.
We are looking forward to reading about your adventures.

[QUOTE=Dudeck]This Is A Massive Long Shot But Is Anyone Familiar With A Girl Called Jai Who Used To Work In Spice Girls In Soi Cowboy 2005.

She Spent 6 Months In Isaan Nursing Her Mum While She Passed Away. Another Tragic Country Girl Story. She Was Without Exception And Still Is An Extremely Glamarous Women.

I Saw Her In April And Suggested That She Get A Job In 7/11 Or Anywhere Back There As Hypocritical As That Is Of Me, Which She Surprisingly Did, But She Then Disappeared Again.

She's More Than Likely Doing What She Did, So Thought I'd Post This Message With You Pests Just On The Off Chance! Tatoo On Left Breast And Left Arm. She Is Stunning.

Please Excuse Capitals As Button Jammed.

[blue]Hi,

I sincerely appreciate your reports, but...

[red][u]Would you please STOP capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports![/u][/red]

It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: [i]Thank You![/i]

Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]Apologies, but explained in last sentence caps button jammed, however when submitted only first letter came out jammed, very odd.

[blue]===============================================

Hi Dudeck,

Wth all due respect, you're in Bangkok You can probably buy a new keyboard at Pantip Plaza for less than $5 USD.

Stick a crowbar in your wallet and go buy a new keyboard.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

Aboslutely great piece of writing, Evil. I can hardly wait to experience it all for myself.

Daddy

[QUOTE=Dudeck]Apologies, but explained in last sentence caps button jammed, however when submitted only first letter came out jammed, very odd.

[blue]===============================================

Hi Dudeck,

Wth all due respect, you're in Bangkok You can probably buy a new keyboard at Pantip Plaza for less than $5 USD.

Stick a crowbar in your wallet and go buy a new keyboard.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]
Jackson, normally your posts are severe and reprimanding.
Funniest thing I have ever read from you. :D

Since the topic was started on this thread, guess it could end here now.
For all those that are out of country or just get their only world news from ISG, here 's the latest:
John Karr didnt kill JB Ramsey. DNA didnt match and people have come forward saying he wasn't even in Colorado at the time, so case will be dropped against him as its a no way win for the cops.
Sadly, he's still a nut job but unfortunately the main damage already done as all spotlight now on my beloved Thailand.
Nancy Grace said "Thailand is the sex capital of the world and its an Evil Place"

Lets just hope one madmans lying for chance for claim to fame didnt ruin it for the rest of us "normal mongers"

PT

Is been a few years since I was in Bangkok , Is Eden still good or are there better similar type places now?

Regards,

Longgun

Hi BKK sports fans,

Any suggestions for watching College and pro football in BKK? I have ESPN but not the American one. ESPN Gameplan Online only offers the crap games for college.

Any advice from those in the know will be much appreciated. Thanks. OTH

hi all,

taking a break from shanghai for a few days in bangkok, and there is certainly a lot to see and do!

spent the first afternoon walking around shopping malls such as the mbk center. seeing what was walking around i could not stop thinking what quantity and quality would be on the menu if i stayed here and could use thai to exercise my freebie pickup skills. however i am not and can’t, so following the well posted path to some p4p locations will be it for me.

wanting a variety of experiences while here, first stop on the quick p4p tour was [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] off sukhumvit soi 8. the girls were all sitting outside, and not realizing that there were none instead i walked past and sat down at the bar. a fugly then followed me in and sat down, at which point i had to awkwardly say no thanks and poke my head back outside to pick someone a bit more acceptable. unfortunately that was a bit of a challenge, as the quality on display was somewhat lacking. picked one with a barely passable body but a cute face, considering this place is bj only i thought it wasn’t the end of the world.

went upstairs and sat down on the black seating behind some curtains, soles of the feet of a couple of girls sticking out from a couple of other sections of curtain and slurping noises contributing to the ‘atmosphere’. was told to take off shoes and pants, obviously they have had a couple of runners in the past. what followed was quite a professional style of service. they would do themselves a lot of favours in terms repeat business if they told the girls to sit down and put their arm around customers for a couple of minutes of gfe feeling either before or after the act. instead the production line style service meant i won’t be back next time i am in bangkok, i can get better service from a much hotter girl for the same price in shanghai. 700baht plus pressured into 100baht tip which i should not have given.

then went back to the famous giottos lodge for a power nap before having a drink in the poolside bar. owner of the establishment kindly pointed out which soi cowboy bars are rated a bit higher, and that the map i have printed out is obviously a bit dated! following my drink i headed out, and first walked up and down the bar street taking trying to take it all in.

first stop was long gun, and was greeted with the sight of about 20 fully naked girls ‘dancing’ on stage. well not really dancing, kind of like swaying from side to side to the sound of music. quality was rather mixed, some quite hot but others with a reasonable amount of natural padding. all were staring into space or checking themselves out in the adjacent mirror, surprisingly little amount of eye contact during the 40 minutes or so i was there. two different girls took the initiative to come and sit next with me. i wasn’t very interested in the first one so didn’t bother with conversation or eye contact, and she soon left. i spoke a bit with the second one but language was a problem, and i also felt a bit cornered. the bar was pretty full and i was starting to get stuck in the back row with this girl, without much chance of looking around. i therefore left and walked to the other end of the street.

second destination was shark bar. there were a similar number of girls here dancing/prancing around poles, this time with clothing but of a most agreeable body hugging see through nature. the atmosphere was a lot less ‘in your face’, as there were not many customers, so plenty of opportunity to sit where i liked and take my time. it was not long before a girl who wasn’t dancing at the time came and sat down, however she soon got the picture that i wasn’t that interested, and she asked me who i did like. there was no need to ask really as i had already established eye contact and had a smiling thing going on with a cute face/nice body that had caught my attention, so when the dancing shift changed the non interesting one went to dance and my target came to sit down. i think that establishing a rapport is important before bar-fining anyone, however in this regard i am somewhat limited here due to my complete lack of thai language skills. we seemed to be doing ok so the 500baht bar fine exited my pocket and off to find a taxi we went.

after providing some food (a good investment when in manila but maybe thai girls don’t appreciate this as much?) went back to my room. discovered a lack of understanding or enthusiasm about in room jacuzzi, if it was earlier in the evening i would have insisted on a soak however i was suffering from a very short sleep on my way to bangkok so decided that heading straight to bed was a better option anyway. after my standard five positions or so i had had enough, and needed to sleep. chances of releasing a load were also not helped by her apparent feeling of doing her duty rather than showing any real enthusiasm. however when giving up, she seemed quite disappointed, and wanted to keep going until i finished. she then spent the next five minutes pressuring me to give her my phone number, however i did not come to bangkok to hump dead fish (albeit ones who insist on finishing) and i was confused by her lack of enthusiasm but otherwise gfe appearance and desire to stay in touch. things therefore started to die and rather than staying to morning i half let her leave/half pushed her out the door, and paid in full considering she had agreed to continue and it was basically my decision not to.

to be continued tomorrow…

[QUOTE=One Tree Hill]Hi BKK sports fans,

Any suggestions for watching College and pro football in BKK? I have ESPN but not the American one. ESPN Gameplan Online only offers the crap games for college.

Any advice from those in the know will be much appreciated. Thanks. OTH[/QUOTE]

SuperSport, one of the cable networks historically does a 1-2 games a week, live late at night with replay next day. However, they have not finalized agreement for this season, YET.

[QUOTE=One Tree Hill]Hi BKK sports fans,

Any suggestions for watching College and pro football in BKK? I have ESPN but not the American one. ESPN Gameplan Online only offers the crap games for college.

Any advice from those in the know will be much appreciated. Thanks. OTH[/QUOTE]

to one tree hill



Most hotel with cable get ESPN asia or star sport they will have the ESPN monday night and sunday night game live will be on tv early in the morning
bkk time ,Some hotel bar also have it but no college game.


fast eddie 48

[QUOTE=Mianbao]<...>Owner of the establishment kindly pointed out which Soi Cowboy bars are rated a bit higher, and that the map I have printed out is obviously a bit dated! Following my drink I headed out, and first walked up and down the bar street taking trying to take it all in.[/QUOTE]
One place my visitors seem to enjoy is Bacara for the see-thru dance floor and antics upstairs.
[QUOTE=Mianbao]After providing some food (a good investment when in Manila but maybe Thai girls don’t appreciate this as much?)
[/QUOTE]
Just watch out: some TGs will drag you off to a high-priced seafood place.
[QUOTE=Mianbao]
Chances of releasing a load were also not helped by her apparent feeling of doing her duty rather than showing any real enthusiasm.
[/QUOTE]
This is a scenario I have experienced more and more lately in BKK, much to my chagrine, since I live here. :( The other city you mention above has been the source of much better mongering for me, lately, I'm sad to say.
[QUOTE=Mianbao]To be continued tomorrow…[/QUOTE]
Hope you have better luck tomorrow!

Cheers,
-Y

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]
....
Sadly, he's still a nut job but unfortunately the main damage already done as all spotlight now on my beloved Thailand.
Nancy Grace said "Thailand is the sex capital of the world and its an Evil Place"

Lets just hope one madmans lying for chance for claim to fame didnt ruin it for the rest of us "normal mongers"

PT[/QUOTE]
So what does that mean for the supply and demand market?
Some of the guys in the US will not come over to Thailand anymore and due to the lack of customers the going rate for the rest of us will go down?

Probably the opposite might happen, I am afraid. Even the last countryside monger dreaming US guy, already a long time feeling bored by the lack of attractive women at home in combination with high unjustified demands, will probably notice from Nancy Grace report, that it's time to ckeck this Evil Place out personally.
So we have to expect rather an inflation of US guys then a lack. Going rate will go up.
Is there any paper in Wallstreet to buy, which prevents me from that, like I usually secure my oil bills from going up?

regards
Brain666

[QUOTE=Brain666]So what does that mean for the supply and demand market?
<...>[/QUOTE]
Short-term, a few will stay away, but in the big picture, I would bet the impact will be minimal.

Long-term, this is the oldest avocation in the human condition - it's not going away because of some bad publicity generated by a delusional pervert.

Cheers,
-Y

[QUOTE=Track Cabbage]Is been a few years since I was in Bangkok , Is Eden still good or are there better similar type places now?

Regards,

Longgun[/QUOTE]

Eden is as good or better as its always been. The rooms within the Club itself have been renovated and the outside rooms at the nearby hotel are used only during periods of peak demand. Last time I was there (late June 2006), there were plenty of new and attractive faces. The concept remains the same- one guy, two or more ladies for the 90-minute inhouse sessions, overnight and L/T takeaway sessions are available with just one lady if you so prefer. The price has increased slightly for inhouse sessions - it's now 1,800B per lady, up from 1,750B. Overnight is unchanged at 3,000B.

In terms of the quality of service and value for money, Eden is unsurpassed. If you're comparing apples to apples, there's no other establishment like it in Bangkok, but an Eden Club will be opening in November in Pattaya.

One reminder - the Eden Club is a brothel, not a drinking bar, go go or MP. If you prefer P4P in those environments, then you're probably better served elsewhere in the Suk area.

The Eden ladies are very popular, get there at 12.40 p.m. if you want the biggest possible choice.

Evil

To all the Thai experts here.

I am going to treat my business clients in BKK in mid-Sept. Since this is business and budget is not an issue.

We want to meet really top end girls in better establishments. Preferable the place is comfortable so we can have some business chats while choosing girls.

Thank You in advance

[QUOTE=Brain666]So what does that mean for the supply and demand market?
Some of the guys in the US will not come over to Thailand anymore and due to the lack of customers the going rate for the rest of us will go down?


regards
Brain666[/QUOTE]

Long term implications : but not to worry too much as Thai economy depends on our form of "package tourism"--as Nancy Grace puts it. So, should return to normal after all this news blows over (hopefully). Not so much as how we pay for the P4P with the ladies, but all the other money--hotel rentals, food, restaurants etc . that provides the money to power the economy. Indirectly, the govt knows alot more of our money pays for Non-P4P salaries also.

Short term: With all the spotlight on LOS, there will be more "sting" operations to catch all the criminals praying on the young innocents. But with all focus on the sex trade in general, all mongering activity will be under the microscope.
Maybe alot more non-govt (perhaps Christian groups) will set up permanent bases to close down local operations (dont believe me, just see whats happening in Cambodia--Phnon Penh--they are so paranoid there but with good reason, that information posted even here on ISG resulted in closing of brothels by police and NGOs).
So short term, maybe a slowing of traffic to LOS as even people I work with (they dont know I'm a monger) say the word Bangkok with vile and distaste. Now the mere mention of visiting BKK by any male and immediately they all compare you with John Karr.
So if you were careful in the past checking gals ages, suggest you double or triple that effort now.
--IMO


PT

I'll be in BKK and Pattaya mid-September.

Id' like to buy sex DVD and book. Is there any kind of sex-shops around where I could find this? Where?

Thanx

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]One reminder - the Eden Club is a brothel, not a drinking bar, go go or MP. If you prefer P4P in those environments, then you're probably better served elsewhere in the Suk area. The Eden ladies are very popular, get there at 12.40 p.m. if you want the biggest possible choice.[/QUOTE]

Oho! Now I understand what I did wrong. I once commented on this board on my first and only experience in Eden, which I found agreeable but far from justifying all the hype. The problem apparently was, I went there around 4.30 pm believing that I'd be one of the first clients of the day. (The Nana area had barely woken up yet...) The selection of girls was, well, OK... next, I was shipped off to a neighbouring hotel and the girls I'd picked turned out to be open (!) to anything but a bit rushed and mechanistic in their approach ("now you use dildo!"; lie down, I'll suck you!"; "now you f**k her a**!"...).

Apparently I simply hit their busy period. The best girls were taken, the others were in a bit of a hurry.

I can verify that Eden is still going strong. Went there yesterday afternoon, a good lineup was offered. The pickings from the left were quite lean, fortunately I am not into anal anyway and the lineup on the right was impressive. I picked a darker looking girl (looked almost Indian to me), and let her pick a friend. The friend she picked was a bit short and with some extra natural padding, however had a cute face and nice rack so I did not complain. I assume in most cases a better ‘show’ will be on offer if you let the first girl pick the second one.

The lesbian action turned out to be quite limited however, a bit of dildo f%^king and that was it. Did not have time to complain however, as they spent all of the time paying attention to me. I won’t go into too many details as this place has been covered in depth before. It was worth doing once as something different, and as an experience it was better than average. It didn’t really rock my world however, and am not too upset that as I am leaving Bangkok tomorrow I don’t really have time to go back.

Following Eden I went back to the hotel for a nap, and then downstairs to the bar (Livingstones) to sample the in-house goods. After a couple of lady drinks I bar fined the one that had chose me, and headed upstairs. I was a bit hesitant to bar fine this one as most of the conversation/warming up period in the bar was initiated by me, and we fell to silence at other times. She was a very nice and attractive girl however and she seemed as good a bet as any. Once upstairs I was not to be disappointed, however once again it was a better than average rather than life changing experience.

One more night left therefore and as I write this am considering options. In my experience a second round with the same girl is often better than the first, as the girl will appreciate you coming back and is more comfortable with you. Therefore three options, one is the short trip downstairs, another is to take above mentioned girl from Eden outside (if she is not busy), and third to expand the number of Go-Go bars I have been to beyond the current two…

Final night, impressions of Bangkok, and a mention in the Giotto thread to follow…

[QUOTE=Priamos]Oho! Now I understand what I did wrong. I once commented on this board on my first and only experience in Eden, which I found agreeable but far from justifying all the hype. The problem apparently was, I went there around 4.30 pm believing that I'd be one of the first clients of the day. (The Nana area had barely woken up yet...) The selection of girls was, well, OK... next, I was shipped off the the neighbouring hotel and the girls I'd picked turned out to be open (!) to anything but a bit rushed and mechanistic in their approach ("now you use dildo!"; lie down, I'll suck you!"; "now you f**k her a**!"...).

Apparently I simply hit their busy period. The best girls were taken, the others were in a bit of a hurry.[/QUOTE]

Well yes and no. Eden is ok and is different, but would agree it doesn't quite meet the expectations you read from all the hype you read. I've been there 3 or 4 times and at different times of the day, inclduing around 2pm one Saturday afternoon. Never had a problem with the selection (never had a problem with anything really), but what I found is the girls have a standard operating procedure and play to that What you have written, such, rim blow. Dildo, less, fuck one, arse fuck the other, maybe some more pussy fucking is the SOP. It is really up to the client to drive things off the SOP and see what you can get out of the girls. That is not quite my style, I am usually uncomfortable with a lady the first time. So in all my times an enjoyable time was had but I have had much better times elsewhere and in much different enviroments.

If two girls are you're thing then I think Eden is worth a look. What you do with them is up to you. I had two girls from the left but didn't bother with anal. They did a bit of girl on girl stuff but I was happy to have their attention most of the time.

The girls were very friendly and at 1pm on a Fridat there were about 20 to chose from. I'll probably go back next time I'm in town.

[quote=mianbao]

"went upstairs and sat down on the black seating behind some curtains, soles of the feet of a couple of girls sticking out from a couple of other sections of curtain and slurping noises contributing to the ‘atmosphere’."

excellent report, mianbao. i think i might like the more refined 'ambiance" of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s.

daddy

As a recent first time visitor to Eden, I agree with the last few posts on the subject: Eden is a special place and it (only) is the right place if you know what you are looking for. The reception is friendly and professional, although it is a bit irritating to see the hottest girls entering the bar being immediately snatched away through pre-bookings (but that's not too different from other places, I guess). The line-up is ok, some even quite attractive (mainly on the "right" side), considering the special service you receive.

Depending on how picky you are, the usual method that the girl chosen by you chooses her friend might work - or it might not. For me it didn't, because my girl chose a friend who was very friendly but not my type. The girls go out of their way to please you, but as remarked before: Unless you put in some effort, the also run a kind of standard routine that will not impress those (like myself) who like the GFE part the most. I wouldn't want to have missed the Eden experience, but at least for the time being it seems like one of those experiences for which it is most important to have made them at all (at least once).

[QUOTE=Mingman]To all the Thai experts here.

I am going to treat my business clients in BKK in mid-Sept. Since this is business and budget is not an issue.

We want to meet really top end girls in better establishments. Preferable the place is comfortable so we can have some business chats while choosing girls.

Thank You in advance[/QUOTE]

I've never been there but Soi 33 is more upscale than the average go-go. I've heard the girls aren't really any better, just dressed nicer.

[QUOTE=Mingman]To all the Thai experts here.

I am going to treat my business clients in BKK in mid-Sept. Since this is business and budget is not an issue.

We want to meet really top end girls in better establishments. Preferable the place is comfortable so we can have some business chats while choosing girls.

Thank You in advance[/QUOTE]

I forgot to mention the model lounges in high end massage parlors.

[QUOTE=Mingman]To all the Thai experts here.

I am going to treat my business clients in BKK in mid-Sept. Since this is business and budget is not an issue.

We want to meet really top end girls in better establishments. Preferable the place is comfortable so we can have some business chats while choosing girls.

Thank You in advance[/QUOTE]

A couple options come to mind:

Soi 33 has a row of bars, if you want 'quiet' bar with good girls - Monet is my suggestion. BF 1500, ST-LT 2-3K, negotiate. A couple of other places but some are noisier than others and a quite a few a rip-off joints if you don't know your prices and operating procedures.

Another good place, very low key, slightly noisier is the famous Livingston Lodge, aka Giotto Lodge(has separate thread) also on Soi 33 - his sports bar located in the hotel is small, cozy and maybe a comfortable place to start. Introduce yourself to the owner and tell him T1234 said hello...you might even get a free drink (Mr. G??). Similar prices, ask Mr. G and he'll give you straight scoop.

Some of the MP has the side-line girls, the only one I know is Long Beach on Rama IX Rd, next to Radisson hotel .... but this place might be further away from you. They have separate lounge for drinks, food, live music and good looking side-liners, from 3500-6000 Baht. An absolute beauty is Minnie (Joy) but keep in mind sideliners service 'usually' isn't comparable to fish bowl Overall ambiance and service is excellent (do search for my posts for details).

Another is Entertainment Complex, next to Cupidity (stay away from this place) - they have upstairs models section but haven't been in some time.

Another high end is Pegasus club - but not sure girls will go out with you. Do a search....also near Soi 33 off Sukhumvit.

last resort - pm 'Giotto' or better yet, go to "Places to Avoid" thread and see my listing for his place - lots of stuff in it but worth skimming through.

Last night in Bangkok and I am wondering why on earth I had to choose the last night and not the first to go to Nana Plaza! I think I died and went to heaven! This is one place you need to check out while in Bangkok...

Apologies that I was too much in a trance state to actually remember the names of all the bars I checked out. First one was Hollywood on the ground floor. A number of tall and slim but well endowed hotties in here. One in particular caught my attention, and I bought her a couple of bar drinks. Was tempted to bar fine her there and then but the night was still young and I had three floors to check out. I knew there was a likelihood she would be taken by the time I got back but considering the total selection in this place probably runs into the hundreds it would not be the end of the world.

Managed to successfully run the gauntlet of ladyboys on the second and third floor (not my scene) and went into a bar on the third floor which was two levels, with a glass floor and the dancers not wearing underwear. Regulars to Nana will no doubt know which bar I am talking about. Coming on stage the girls had loosely buttoned white blouses on, but they soon came off revealing Janet Jackson style stars. One of the girls was unbelieveably cute, with a terrific little bod. Had to buy her a lady drink, and upon being informed that there were rooms upstairs just could not wait. Until now I have been regretting that Bangkok is not Manila, however the enthusiasm, fun nature and energy level of this adorable cutie was sensational. Gave her 1500baht for her efforts and she well earned it.

The night was still young and noticed that another bar on the same side of the third floor had "Hollywood Strip" in neon. Therefore excitedly went in thinking that there would be girls inside stripping. Unfortunately after I had already ordered a drink I realised it was not the case, a double shame as the dancing girls inside were mega hot and it would have been a terrific show if they were. The only thing stopping me from bar fining one immediately was the fact that I'd just come out of a private room. Ah too many opportunities...

Made my way back down to first floor Hollywood to see if the original hottie was still there, and as suspected she was gone. Another absolute stunner caught my eye, however I was too slow and a Japanese punter wearing what appeared to be a pyjama top and with what really should be an illegal hairstyle (it really was bad - no offense to other Japanese citizens here) bought her a drink. Therefore no alternative but to buy a drink for hottie number three, and after a fair amount of time barfined her (after persuading her for a LT, which she originally was not keen on). No sooner had bar fine been paid then the Japanese gentleman with his bad hair day walked out, leaving the one I would have really prefered free. Aaargh!

Hopped in a taxi back to Soi 33, and pulled up at hotel. And who was sitting at the entrance? None other than very sweet girl who I had bar fined from on site bar the previous evening. Unimpressed look from her, and cue feelings of guilt and regret...

Therefore one quick round of boom boom in room, and despite killer body and promise of LT I then kicked her out. Call me soft, but the sweetie from the previous night was in the back of my mind. One of the main benefits of P4P is the lack of commitment, however working girls are human too and I would prefer to contribute to the idea that not all of us guys are careless pussy hunters, even if some or most of us are!

Cheers,

Mianbao.

[QUOTE=Mingman]To all the Thai experts here.

I am going to treat my business clients in BKK in mid-Sept. Since this is business and budget is not an issue.

We want to meet really top end girls in better establishments. Preferable the place is comfortable so we can have some business chats while choosing girls.

Thank You in advance[/QUOTE]Mingman,

Clubs/Discos: Spasso, Riva, Pegasus, Forte.

Hostess Bars in Soi 33: Monet, Renoir, Office Bar, Livingstone's.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]Mingman,

Clubs/Discos: Spasso, Riva, Pegasus, Forte.

Hostess Bars in Soi 33: Monet, Renoir, Office Bar, Livingstone's.

Giotto[/QUOTE]Giotto,

He said, "really top end girls in better establishments". What's Livingstone's doing on your list?

Just kidding! BTW, what was the name of that place that runs in the range of 10,000 BHT and more for a girl?

Cheers!

Fox Two

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]A couple options come to mind:
<...>
Another high end is Pegasus club - but not sure girls will go out with you. Do a search....also near Soi 33 off Sukhumvit.
<...>[/QUOTE]
It's been a while, but the last time I was there, Pegasus girls would go out. Lounge area on the ground floor, girl selection upstairs. If you aren't familiar, it might not be apparent there are 3 different catagories: used to be, the "models" were on the right just after coming upstairs, "B" just past them and "C" across.

I was considering membership at one time, but I'm not in town often enough to justify it.

Good luck,
-Y

[QUOTE=Fox Two]Just kidding! BTW, what was the name of that place that runs in the range of 10,000 BHT and more for a girl?[/QUOTE]Hi guys,

I haven't been here in the forum for ages, was just dropping by to look at some other things and thought I would drop you all a note if you're into bargain shopping. I happened upon this by accident.

I was in BKK a few years ago with my (now) ex gf ... staying at a place called the Bangkok City Inn. It's a couple of blocks from the World Trade Center off of Rajdamri (?) Road. Google it.

Now when we got in the hotel, and it got dark, this constant rock music started up and was going late into the night. Well, I had a short nap, woke up about midnight and wandered over cause I couldn't sleep.

Pretty sure the place was called the "International Club". It was a block away, right at the water taxi stop. (if you look at the map on the hotel website, the club and water taxi stop would be in the lower right corner of it)

In through the front door ... and. Wow. My first experience with a fishbowl. Three tiers of lovely ladies. I just ogled them, and drooled.. and drank a spendy Heine, then back to my gf. Last night in BKK I went over and took in the experience. My gf suggested I get it out of my system. (insert long story about going on prepaid vacations with your already ex-gf here).

The mamasan said to pick a girl, she invite her over to my booth, and we could talk.

After talking with two and sending them back, finally opted for the third one. Very cute, decent English. We walked back to the hotel, three of us had a blast, but then she took off and I gave her 300b tip.

I just wanted you to know that this place is not so spendy as the hot spots and famous clubs you all seem to talk about. There's no disco here, just girls on benches and rooms in the back. I took mine home, so can't say anything about the facilities. It felt more like a place that catered to the local crowd than the tourist traffic. I was the only caucasian in the place.

Just thought I'd pass along the price I was quoted from mamasan:
2000 baht ... for the NIGHT.

Of course you probably need to negotiate/confirm that all night thing with the girl upfront, cause my girl split after a couple hours, but in my case it didn't matter anyway.

Enjoy ;)

[QUOTE=Yi Ren]It's been a while, but the last time I was there, Pegasus girls would go out. Lounge area on the ground floor, girl selection upstairs. If you aren't familiar, it might not be apparent there are 3 different catagories: used to be, the "models" were on the right just after coming upstairs, "B" just past them and "C" across.

I was considering membership at one time, but I'm not in town often enough to justify it.

Good luck,
-Y[/QUOTE]

Pegasus is a great place; but go early. By early I mean opening time which I believe is 8 p.m. The Chinese, Koreans and Japanese bring in van loads of men around 9 and the quality quickly disappears. If you are not a member you have to pay extra. I was a member for a couple of years before meeting my GF.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]A couple options come to mind:

Another high end is Pegasus club - but not sure girls will go out with you. Do a search....also near Soi 33 off Sukhumvit.
[/QUOTE]

Pegasus is a little hard to find. Best to check out the web site for the exact location. It's between Suk Soi 23 and 33. A short walk from Soi Cowboy.

[CENTER][B]Part 2[/B][/CENTER]


[B]This FR is based on a late-night excursion in January, 2006. I'm dividing it into parts to make it easier to read. It will make more sense if you read the parts in order.[/B]

Evil


Car park, theme park … haul in some mobile homes and you'd have a trailer park as well. The male white trash population is already in place. The average farang punter, wearing the NEP Neanderthal uniform of sweaty tank top, stained shorts and flip flops, doesn't inspire much in the future of Western civilization. But these guys must have an awesome faith in whatever providence it is that looks after drunks, considering the dozens that I saw stumbling around at 2.00 a.m., looking for trouble with whoever would give it to them. I'm surprised the casualty rate for rolled drunks isn't much higher in Bangkok than it is.

But when I speak of white trash, I'm not referring exclusively to the U.S. down-home, white-bread , good-ole' boy variety. Those guys usually don't travel anywhere a pick-up truck can't take them. Around Nana car park, you're more likely to see white trash from the south of England, Sweden or Germany than Alabama or Mississippi. Who knows, maybe white trashiness is the true human common denominator and the real basis of universal brotherhood? In terms of inherent trashiness, Nana car park still falls short of Pattaya. Not only is Pattaya a formidable seaside resort, it doubles as the capital of the Republic of White Trashistan. There, if a punter has all his tattoos on straight and none of the words misspelled, drinks no more than a six-pack of beer before noon and doesn't eat mashed potatoes with his fingers, he's considered both high society and a sober man. There are numerous exceptions in Pattaya, punters range from teetotaling tradesmen and bashful backpackers to perverted professors and millionaire mongers, but I'm painting a picture in very broad strokes.

Abandoning my philosophical musings and the car park, I headed back towards the Suk in pursuit of pussy. Of course, the Nana car park experience isn't confined to a few square yards adjacent the Nana Hotel. It describes a state of mind - the determination of both providers and punters to reach afters-hours agreements on a free-lance basis - more than a physical place. Every night, even before the bars close at NEP, it spreads throughout the lower Suk.

I hadn't gotten many steps when a pretty young thing blocked my way and tried to interest me in an early–hours tryst. She had a nice smile and spoke English better than most BGs, so it was suggestion at least worth discussing. She wanted 1,500B for S/T, which I though was very reasonable, but the deal was dashed by her insistence on using a nearby hot-sheet hotel. Maybe she hadn't heard of the Town Lodge Hotel and therefore wouldn't go there, or perhaps considered Soi 18 was too far away. I suspected she didn't want to invest too much time in any one punter and hoped to cram in several more customers that night before the cock crowed.

I smiled and moved on, passing the world's most infamous Seven Eleven on my left, then waited at the intersection for the longest red light in the history of traffic control to change. Once across the Suk, I was again accosted by a TG, this one well past 30 and her eyes wild with yaba. She hadn't bathed, or even combed her hair, in a long while.. I've never struck a woman in my life, but if a junkie ho' grabbed my arm like that in New York, I'd be sorely tempted to drop her in her tracks. In Thailand, I'm not on my own turf and therefore subdue my vigilante impulses. I shook my arm free and told her "No!" and put some distance between us. I gave silent thanks to the gods of good health that I'd had the prescience to wear a long-sleeved shirt and had avoided skin-to-skin contact with her. Considering the direction from which she'd come, I wondered how much time she had before wailing the lament of all Soi 3 girls, "I go back my village to die Aids."

The sidewalk is crowded with vendors and hawkers of all descriptions, with a lot of their goods aimed directly at P4P providers rather than tourists. Shoes, belts, lingerie, books and CDs in Thai, the fried bugs in a big glass, none of that could have been very appealing to farang visitors. The girls who'd gotten off work from the Suk's many and varied pussy palaces were spending their hard-earned cash, even though they could get it all cheaper and better if they'd waited to go shopping the next day at a local market. It reminded me of one of the very first P4P experiences I'd ever had in Thailand, back in 1979. After an overnight session with a Patpong bar girl – I think she got 300B – she insisted on immediately spending some it on a pair of earrings from the hotel's gift shop. I had thought the prices were high there even by Western standards and did my souvenir shopping elsewhere.

A lot of the items on display on the Suk were intended for tourists – knickknacks and souvenirs of all sorts – and the number of white-haired ladies bargaining for them at 2.00 a.m. surprised me. I couldn't help wondering what a group of retirees from Cedar Rapids, Iowa, was making of the whole scene on the lower Suk. I'm certain the most daring thing many of them had previously done was dancing the Macarena at a wedding reception.

I then encountered another refugee from Soi 3, the semi-legendary Natasha. The story goes she's the widow of a minor Communist Party official from the ex-Soviet Union. He'd been sent to Thailand a few years before the breakup of the Soviet system to supervise a state-run import-export business. Unlike most Soviet-era expats, he wasn't a spook, but had been given the posting abroad as a reward for long service to the Party. He had been accompanied to LOS by a much younger wife, also a perk afforded to Communist officials, along with a few oranges, apples and bananas around Christmas. As a TASS correspondent once told me, pretty girls had been easier to find – and much cheaper – in the Soviet Union than oranges or bananas.

With the end to the Soviet system, he'd lost his job. He didn't have a pension worth mentioning, but didn't want to return to Russia to the uncertainties of post-Soviet life. He managed to support his wife through small ventures of his own for a few years, but that ended when he keeled over dead of a heart attack.
His widow, Natasha, was left stranded in Bangkok with only the most meager means of support. Already past her prime, she turned to prostitution to give herself a better life. But that was 15 years ago and now, in her fifties, she should knitting booties for grand-children, not doing the Sukhumvit stroll.

She has the shape, if not the stature of an American football center. Her skin is blotchy and she has oddly mismatched facial features that make me think of a hobbit or one of those Scandinavian troll dolls. If American-style football ever caught on in Middle Earth, she could play center for the Shire's pro team. With a shudder, I moved past her.

I've seen Sukhumvit Road very late at night many, many times and the crowds never cease to amaze me. The fold-up eating places are always jam-packed, making it impossible to pass in more than single file. As I passed Soi 5, I saw a farang in his twenties sitting splay-legged on the curb, a puddle of puke in front of him, the product of his night's drinking. He's weaving like he's going to fall over at any moment His Thai GF, or least companion for the night, was responding to the situation by wiping his forehead with a cloth. Talk about re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic! A six-foot guy is about to go bow down in his own vomit and his girl is mopping his brow.

A had a feeling he was from somewhere on the Anglo-American continuum, but whether it was New Zealand or New Jersey, I had no idea. Anyway, he deserved more assistance than he was getting.

"Is he O.K.? Do you need any help?" I asked the girl. I figured we could prop him up, or at least lay him flat so he wouldn't be rolling in the gutter in his own puke.

The girl looked up at me and answered, "You go away now."

Sure, sweetheart, up to you, I heard myself say inside my head, but I just remained silent. I wondered for a moment if she was worried I make a play for her once her cavalier had sunk into unconsciousness or whether she had more nefarious plans, like relieving him of his wallet. It's not always possible to be a Good Samaritan, so I rejoined the throng of people moving up the Suk.

I was taken aback by the spillover from Soi 3 into the rest of the lower Suk. Some of those guys were pretty aggressive and I had to speak sharply with one who kept jostling me.

"I tol' ya, don't Khomeini closer!" I said in my best Crusader voice.

But the whole thing makes me sad. Damn. Who sane, or otherwise, wants to see all of the Suk become an extension of the coffee shop at the Grace Hotel? Maybe the time has come to draw the line in the sand at Soi 5, or at least Soi 7. A green line in the Bangkok pink zone, so to speak.

I was also troubled by the dearth of ladies to whom I was attracted. Girls! Girls! everywhere, but nary a one to fuck. I remember an episode of the original "Twilight Zone", in which a U.S. soldier during WWII sees a light glow on the faces of comrades who will die in action. I had the same feeling about most of the Thai girls I had encountered along the way, except it was a big starfish I saw across their faces.

As I passed Soi 7/1, I thought fondly of the Eden Club, but it had long since closed. Although I had expected to find companionship before getting this far, I didn't despair yet because there were still dozens and dozens of women moving up and down the Suk. Short of being the unluckiest – or pickiest- man on the planet, I was sure to see one to my liking before many more minutes had passed.


[B]In Part 3, I ponder the motives of fellow mongers, meet a girl and pay a Karmic debt.[/B]

[QUOTE=Lightfinger]I'll be in BKK and Pattaya mid-September.

Id' like to buy sex DVD and book. Is there any kind of sex-shops around where I could find this? Where?

Thanx[/QUOTE]

No Sex shops in BKK, so bring your own. DVD's can be bought on the street and from Pantip Plaza. Just walk in on the ground floor or in the rear and try to look like a Farang and you will have people grapping at you for "sexy movie." Also try the second floor of Pantip.

Leave your blow-up doll at home, you won't need it in BKK.

Evil-Thanks for taking the time to write such an entertaining report. It is most excellent reading and really takes me back there in my imagination as I remember the many times I made that same stroll.

Thank God I never encountered Natasha;-)

AM

[quote=phantomtiger2]since the topic was started on this thread, guess it could end here now.

for all those that are out of country or just get their only world news from isg, here 's the latest:

john karr didnt kill jb ramsey. dna didnt match and people have come forward saying he wasn't even in colorado at the time, so case will be dropped against him as its a no way win for the cops.

sadly, he's still a nut job but unfortunately the main damage already done as all spotlight now on my beloved thailand.

nancy grace said "thailand is the sex capital of the world and its an evil place"

lets just hope one madmans lying for chance for claim to fame didnt ruin it for the rest of us "normal mongers"

pt[/quote]nancy grace is a disgrace. if you want to know how the idea of innocence before the proof of guilt is a total sham, just watch her show. the terms like "sex capital of the world" and "sexual tourism" were flying from her mouth every few minutes, on her recent show. what gets me is that even after she discovered that karr did not kill the girl, she still wants him prosecuted for something. if he molested any kids he should be prosecuted. but that does not appear to be the case (at least there is no proof of anything like that.)

i've recently heard on the radio that some professor coming back to the states from brazil was arrested at the airport, after some illegal images were found on his laptop, or his camera - i forgot. and here is the heart of a story: he was flagged because of his frequent trips to thailand. again, ****s should be dealt with, but to single people out, based on how many stamps they might have in their passport from certain countries, smells like fascism to me. it's people like nancy grace and others, concerned with ratings and unconcerned with fair coverage, who are responsible for this hysteria. what they should be telling people is the truth, which is that punishment for abuse of children, or dealing drugs in thailand in many cases is more severe than in the states - only an idiot would come to thailand for that purpose. on her show, nancy grace actually wanted the federal charges of sexual tourism filed against karr. when asked on what basis that could be done her response was: search his computers, find a few witnesses, we should be able to catch him for something, under the sexual tourism charge. not only nancy grace will not be stripped of her law license for this nonsense, but her idea of finding tools to frame someone will find many fans, the kind of people who take her show seriously.

[QUOTE=Tulip777]Nancy Grace is a disgrace...[/QUOTE]


She and most of FWC hates Thailand, or any places in the East where long suffering male can escape from either a miserable or a failed marriage, or just try to find some quality female companionship without the torture of a western courtship. Some of the lucky ones even end-up with a good wife (yes, I know there are also many failures! I would imaging not as many failed marriages as in the West). Her kind and FWC knows very well that more and more men from the West are heading east, and they have lost the control of us, but they still want to make us ‘suffer’ in whatever way they can. In time, more of us will no longer visit east, but take-up residence there, far away from the likes of NG, FWC and NGO.

A few years ago a delegation of Australian feminists similar to Nancy Grace went to the Philippines, Angeles City, to stamp out the sex tourism trade.

The were sent packing with their tails between their legs.

They were reminded by a few of the local mamasans that the biggest sex tour in the world in in Australia and is funded by government - it is the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras festival in Sydney.

They were reminded that there are more prostitutes per head of population in Australia than in the Philippines, Cambodia, Thailand or other places. Any local newspaper has swarms of advertisements for prostitutes, phone sex, swinging groups, and any other form of sex that you want.

They were reminded that you can go to clubs in any city and watch women dance naked, with their genitals at your face. You can pay for a woman to dance naked on your lap.

They were reminded that there are sex slaves trafficked throughout the country.

They were reminded that the average go go dancer in a Philippines bar wears more clothing than the average Australian girl wears on the beach - often just a g string and topless.

They were reminded that you can buy sex with anything you want - homosexual, lesbians, young boys, young girls, any time, in any city in Australia.

In summary, fix up the shit in your own nest before you come poking round in ours.

Thanks for the great site.

Pirate Pete

Here are a few miscellaneous rambling thoughts after having been back about a week from a short sexual sojourn to HK and Macau.

First, it’s good to be back. I love HK and Macau as cities but as sex destinations I found them to be over priced and underwhelming. I felt like I was a sausage on a conveyor belt being processed. Of course, Thailand has plenty of that as well and in truth people like having their sex served up differently. Lots of people appreciate the predictability of the massage/sauna experience where you pretty much know what is going to happen within a specific designated time period. Or the Eden experience where you pick specialists from menu A and menu B and they act out their tricks for you like circus performers. I can see the benefits in this – you know just what you will get – it all falls within a secure range that is rarely wonderful or terrible – but certainly serviceable because that’s what it’s all about – service – servicing you. But that is not necessarily my thing – to me it feels like putting a three course frozen dinner into the microwave – sure you will cum in the end but there is a general ho-hum blandness in getting there. I prefer taking my chances with freelancers. It is a total crapshoot though. You never know what you will get – it can be so bad that you need a three-day vacation from sex to get over it or occasionally it can be an experience that makes you feel you crossed some invisible sex barrier that you didn’t even know existed. Most times admittedly it is somewhere in the middle. Now in theory you can have this same experience with go-go dancers as there is no set routine, but over the past couple of years I have sensed that more and more often they are almost creating an unofficial one – basically a rush job to be out the door in thirty minutes after a few minutes of oral and fast humping with a few “you cum yet’s?” thrown in to make you feel you must be doing something wrong to still be erect. Freelancers can be this way too but many times I have been with one in which time just kind of vanished for a while.

Another unpredictable factor regarding freelancers is just where and when they will make an appearance. It often feels like it is determined by the tides and like the tides some days flotsam floats up on the shore and on other days it feels like a treasure hunt with more goodies than you can pick up. This trip has felt particularly schizophrenic. In my first two weeks the Nana parking lot had many goodies to choose from and the Nana disco had a decent smattering, but then the good looking ones seemed to go on holiday or strike. For the past week or more nothing worth rising an eyebrow has showed up – where did they all go I wonder – but the Nana parking lot has recently taken on the looks of a George Romero movie. The disco hasn’t fared much better until three nights ago when all of a sudden a load of nice looking women rolled in flashing lots of leg and cleavage and big bright smiles – for one night only it seems as there was no evidence of them last night. I wish I could put a sensor on a few of these girls and track their movements like migratory birds as they wander from one freelancer hotspot to another late into the night as their luck comes and goes.

Last night was an interesting experience for me. I ended up somewhat to my surprise taking a girl that was not at all my type from the Nana disco. I have observed her on more than a few occasions over the past two years and always been intrigued by her own unique fashion style but it was not for me. But I admired her willingness to be different – while most of the girls in the trade look like they have never perused a fashion magazine in their lives as they dress themselves nightly in dull blouses and jeans or something equally mundane (check out the Lisboa girls for how women should dress in this biz – with glamour), this one makes a statement - though one that often scares guys away is my guess. It did me until last night when our eyes locked for a second and she asked me if I thought her clothes were funny – no I told her – just different – she wants to become a clothes designer some day she told me – but who in Thailand would buy this sort of thing I asked – probably no one she admitted. Then after a few other casual remarks she asked me if I liked my penis served cold or hot. Hmmm – not really sure – usually room temperature is ok with me, but she promised me something different and I believed her and so up we went – chatted for a long while about her life – then showered and the proceedings began – I soon knew what she meant by cold as my penis took on a chill that was lovely – like a fine white wine. She had something in her mouth other than my penis – menthol perhaps though she told me it was ginger – that cooled her mouth and then she would pull back off and blow on it like an icy breeze – quite marvelous actually. After we finished she wanted to stay but I told her I really preferred sleeping alone and she said she could sleep the whole night with my penis in her mouth. What if she had a nightmare and bit I wondered – so as interesting as that premise was I declined and she dressed up in her ornate outfit – but before leaving she began a one-way conversation with my penis asking if it didn’t want to be kept warm all night in her mouth – it sort of replied by rising to greet her and nearly purred at the attention it was getting and she once again took matters into her mouth. It was an interesting evening – not the best of bodies but definitely the best bj I have had on this trip – worthy of a Latina one.

I enjoy watching people and the Nana lobby at night is one of the better places to do so. It may not be the Champs Elysees where they say if you wait long enough you will see everyone worth seeing – but my guess is that at some point or another every *****monger will pass through the Nana’s legendary portals – and so you watch the people stream in and out and wonder what their story might be. The girls begin wandering in around midnight full of hope and often you see them leaving two hours later a bit downbeat – others though look like they have won the lotto as they drag some large falang behind them in hurried fashion before he has a chance to change his mind or sees something better. All types of guys of course are in the mix – some you can guess will turn around as soon as they see the 400 baht door charge and I can almost always tell which ones they will be. But we are all shapes and sizes though more often than not a bit overweight, a bit haggard from too many late nights and are approaching or passing middle age. I guess I am most surprised by the younger good looking ones. It never occurred to me to pay for this sort of thing till I hit my forties and all of a sudden realized I had magically become invisible to women who weren’t divorced with kids. Somehow it became simpler to just pay for it. Somehow it doesn’t feel right paying for sex in your 20’s though.

I have always believed that how you treat or relate to these girls says a lot about what kind of person you are. Some of us are truly dicks and treat these girls like scum – talking down to them or going through them like bargain basement shoppers checking out piles of clothes on sale at Filene’s. There are times I want so badly to smack these guys down. If I was much larger that is. But once I see a guy deal with women in this manner I just want to keep him far away. At Thermae the other night (still kind of talent lacking which surprises me since there are so many Japanese and I would have thought this would attract some better looking girls) this older guy who had as much weight in his gut as the rest of him waves a decent looking girl over “How old are you”, “How many children do you have”, “How much you want” and after apparently not hearing what he wants he waves her away. At least say hello to her. I wish she had picked up his beer and poured it over his head and called him a “fat fuck”.

One thing I have observed a number of times in the Nana lobby are threesomes – no not the ones between a falang and two Thai girls – those occur like falling leaves in autumn – no I mean the ones between a falang woman, a falang man and a Thai woman. It sounds fun I must admit though afterwards I would want to kick out the falang woman and keep the Thai one. One time it was a Thai ladyboy and my head whirled at the gender blending possibilities going on there – way too confusing to think much about.

Another thing that at least strikes me as an oddity at the Nana is how many falangs come back with their Thai wives and kids for vacation and stay there. Isn’t it a bit like returning to the scene of the crime? Why would someone bring their kids to the Nana Hotel and have them witness the going ons? At some point in their lives they will connect the dots and realize how dear old mom and dad met up – over a 500 baht note. These though are some of the cutest kids I have ever seen – most of them girls for some reason. It is almost enough to make you want to rush out and have your own – but if I did I wouldn’t let her anywhere near the Nana.

The other night I made a swing by of Soi Cowboy for the first time on this trip and quickly remembered why I so rarely go there. Nice atmosphere, ugly women in a nutshell. There are just a lot of women that should legally not be allowed on a go-go stage – and certainly not in a bikini as the rolls of fat glare at you in angry repose. It’s like cellulite city on steroids. One bar I wandered into – Midnight something – had them topless - if I had enough money with me I would have paid them to put their tops back on. What’s going on here? Are there just not enough attractive women in the business so that the owners have to hire these overweight women to dance – there must be a strong correlation between good looking dancers and customers so I assume the good looking ones just don’t want to work up there. Too many cheap ex-pats probably.

The Eden women. What’s the allure I wonder? I use the internet that is just a few doors down (1 baht per minute) and often a number of them are hanging outside. It’s certainly no enticement to go in. People pay for this? I know you get the dildo action (yawn) and the faked lesbian moans (yawn), but I maintain that finding two young cutie friends and having them work you over in kisses and giggles has got to be such a better and more memorable experience. Btw – I got talking to a guy the other day who has been in Bangkok for over ten years and never had a threesome – he needs an intervention from his friends.

I saw a girl on the Skytrain yesterday that was so beautiful that I lost my breath between Siam Station and Chit Lom. When she put her head on the shoulder of her cute female friend my knees buckled. I wish I could go after the straight girls here in BKK but I feel like I have a big red “W” for *****monger burnt onto my forehead. If I ever had a chance to fall into conversation with one of these women I imagine it would go something like this – “Why are you in Thailand for 6 months?”, “To get a better understanding of the Thai culture which I find fascinating”, “What have you seen so far?”, “Well up to now I have primarily focused on the malls and their impact on the youth of Thailand”, “Have you learned much Thai?”, “Basically just sanuk (fun), nit noy (small) and chicatee (ticklish)”, “Where are you staying?”, “The Nana Hotel”. End of conversation.

Some of the girls who work in McDonalds are adorable.

One perhaps alarming trend I have noticed is that the Arab population has begun to make its way across Sukhumvit to the Nana side. I don’t want this to sound racist at all because I am not in the least bit, but I saw what happened to the Grace Hotel and don’t want that occurring to the Nana. When I first came to Bangkok back around 1993, the only intel I possessed in those pre-internet days was that Bangkok had go-go bars in which women were available for take out and the Grace Hotel had a cafeteria in which women were available day and night. After getting suckered at the airport into staying at an expensive hotel where just bringing women back cost you an additional 500 baht, the next day I checked into the Grace. A little rundown perhaps but all the amenities and a cafeteria chock full of women until the wee wee hours. They began accumulating around noon – not that many – probably 20-30 on a good day but most times there was something young and sweet to be had. At night it was a wild smorgasbord of women – many that would make you wince but lots that were simply knockouts. The first girl I fell for was found at the Grace – Sukanya – who I still recall fondly to this day – and Dao a lovely half Chinese girl with bangs falling down her forehead and not much more English then “I come back tomorrow?”. Then for whatever reason the Arabs decided to make that their first port of call and the hotel and area around it has pretty much transformed into a small Arab neighborhood. Within a fairly short period of time the good looking girls went elsewhere as word of mouth spread among them of the poor way in which the Arabs treated them. For old time’s sake I went back a few weeks ago to check out both the cafeteria and the disco – pretty vile offerings – there wasn’t a young one in the bunch and all were heifers. So that may explain why a number of Arabs are now showing up at the Nana Disco - they want good looking women too - and many are beginning to stay at the hotel. I have noticed that the Amari Hotel on Soi 5 is all Arab now as well and I worry that the Nana may end up there some day as the Arab population has exploded over the past couple years in Bangkok. Is it a bad sign though I wonder that I find some of these Arab women quite attractive and I can’t help wondering what a few would look like with their burkha’s off and in a pair of tight jeans.

Conversations overheard. Twice over the past two days I have had no choice but to hear falangs loudly complain about their “girlfriend” who is becoming difficult and jealous and how difficult it is to hide their other affairs of the loins. Geez, I thought we came to Thailand to get away from nagging women but old habits die hard. It reminded me how often I have come across guys here who come for a taste of sexual paradise and within a week have hooked up with one girl and then spend the remainder of their vacation complaining about her but are too guilty to break off and send her on their way. I guess there is a certain comfort and convenience zone that having a steady creates for them – sort of like having the newspaper delivered to their door instead of having to go buy one.

In a previous post when I first came to make this for me lengthy stay I wondered how long the glow would last – at what point does it all begin to get old? Not yet thankfully – some five weeks into this I am enjoying it all quite a lot and feel more relaxed than I have for years. Not just because of the sex, but to some degree because of not needing sex – meaning that since it’s always available I don’t feel the urgency I used to on trips and often go days without indulging – once for five days in a row when I wasn’t feeling very well and not in the least in the mood. Still I decided to keep track of my trysts just so that I could see if the trend dropped over time as I expect it will – in the first month I realized that I only had 16 encounters that amounted to 17 different women – of these encounters five were threesomes. So no great shakes but no complaints either from this end.

[QUOTE=Tulip777]Nancy Grace is a disgrace. Not only Nancy Grace will not be stripped of her law license for this nonsense, but her idea of finding tools to frame someone will find many fans, the kind of people who take her show seriously.[/QUOTE]

You're right on - she is a sham. But keep in mind it's all about sound bites and ratings. She says outrageous things to keep her 'audience.

Btw, she's the same in person - i see her regularly on our office elevator (saying the same BS she says in front of the camera), once with the infamous paula jones. now talk about two characters side by side on the elevator with you....real dogs (wtf did clinton see in her?)

RLMAO

Infamous paula jones. Now talk about two characters side by side on the elevator with you. Real dogs (wtf did clinton see in her? )

RLMAO[/QUOTE]It was the best Clinton could do at that particular moment. I saw him as a victim of bad opportunity. Like using Nana parking lot as a last resort. Plus, he is in no way a stranger to ugly women:))

Dr Ronin raises some issues about whether some mongers are ever happy with what they get.

"servicing you - thats what its all about" Is it?

Do mongers really just want to be serviced well by some girl (some are bored by this) or are they lookng for girls to actually like them and have a good time. Considering what the what the girls will enjoy helps for them to be more into it rather than performing perfunctory duties.

You rarely can tell how skilled sexually a girl is by chatting, so look for other nice charcter qualities. Then the "crapshoot" as DrRonin put it.

If a girl is terrible, move on to another quickly. I have scored mostly great girls fromoutside Nana or in the street by taking time to chat them up before deciding. The risk of a dud can be reduced. If girl is too aggressive, forget it!

Freelancers hard to find? Keep a long list of phone numbers of good girls.

At any one time a few will be looking for money. I have one SIM card for mongering and another for normal use when I don't want naughty girls to call.

Soi Cowboy has some fun bars. Read the Forum further. Not all the girls there can be ugly.

Just in case you meet some fantastic girl not on P4P. Always dress well. Don't stay at Hotels like Nana. Don't expect sex in a hurry. Choose your opportunities carefully. Many girls will be too shy to want to be chatted up by a Farang in public. Sometimes to go out with a Thai girl you will need to go with a group of her friends (less threating environment where can be seen that she is behaving admirably) and shout them all to a meal or show or something. There are many Thai girls desperately wanting to meet a Farang, but not all of course. It greatly depends on their circumstance. If their husband is gone leaving them with the baby, then they are a good prospect because its hard for them to get a serious boyfriend. You have to look at it from the girl's point of view. What will make her interested in you? You will need to treat them better than a typical Thai man does and be "trustworthy" (this is the very difficult one, no? ). Many great Thai girls cannot speak English much. Depends on their level of education. In general most mongers can't be bothered to behave well enough to get a really good Thai girlfriend.

So do you Mongers really want a real girlfriend with its responsibilities or not? If not, just perve at the georgeous girl passing, and appreciate her beauty, and forget them. If yes, then might have to cut the mongering to a very low very careful secret level.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]You're right on - she is a sham. But keep in mind it's all about sound bites and ratings. She says outrageous things to keep her 'audience.

Btw, she's the same in person - i see her regularly on our office elevator (saying the same BS she says in front of the camera), once with the infamous paula jones. now talk about two characters side by side on the elevator with you....real dogs (wtf did clinton see in her?)

RLMAO[/QUOTE]

Maybe Clinton thought that the top of Paula Jones' head was attractive looking. In any case, for someone who clearly has lots of opportunity, Clinton's taste in women is decidedly below what he could command.

And BTW, Nancy Grace may be the most shrill "b-word rhyming with rich" on earth.

The Aussie friend wanted to pick some food. The girls said that they are not allowed to go outside with customers without being barfined (house rules). Ok, so barfine. Fon said hastily to me, if I would consider sex, that she can’t do tonight (good girl, to make that clear before the barfine!), so probably tired, monthly day’s, I am the wrong one, or whatever. I said it’s ok for me, I am tired too, but barfine and no sex ok.

This destination will be dead as disco music in a few years. We'll have nobody but ourselves to blame for this. Can we really blame these women for calling us stupid farangs?

Dr, Ronin, a phenomenal report. Keep it up and don't run out of ink. Nice to see someone actually put to paper how BKK's areas can change. Experienced the same thing in Pattaya when a neighbourhood gets taken over.

As for Nancy Grace: During the Scott Petersen trial, she had him convicted before they went on the air on Day 1. One prosecuting attorney said it best: "If there was living life on Mars and they landed on Earth and heard Nancy Grace, they'd probably think that the entire planet was full of convicts and that we are all going to jail"

LN

[QUOTE=Lovesnihon]
As for Nancy Grace: During the Scott Petersen trial, she had him convicted before they went on the air on Day 1. One prosecuting attorney said it best: "If there was living life on Mars and they landed on Earth and heard Nancy Grace, they'd probably think that the entire planet was full of convicts and that we are all going to jail"

LN[/QUOTE]

I can't remember their names, but a female intern disappeared some years back, eventually discovered her body in a nearby park, not sure if case ever solved. But our friend NG basically convicted in court of opinion the california representative that she worked for. No doubt this guy was a 'sleazebag' (eg sleeping with her) but killing her is another matter.

Anyway, she now has her own show I think, no longer with cnn and not sure if court tv....haven't seen her face in the while :(

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Since the topic was started on this thread, guess it could end here now.
For all those that are out of country or just get their only world news from ISG, here 's the latest:
John Karr didnt kill JB Ramsey. DNA didnt match and people have come forward saying he wasn't even in Colorado at the time, so case will be dropped against him as its a no way win for the cops.
Sadly, he's still a nut job but unfortunately the main damage already done as all spotlight now on my beloved Thailand.
Nancy Grace said "Thailand is the sex capital of the world and its an Evil Place"

Lets just hope one madmans lying for chance for claim to fame didnt ruin it for the rest of us "normal mongers"

PT[/QUOTE]

Wow, I only posted the above to infom all who didnt know the latest news about J. Karr. I didnt expect all the "love" everyone here (including myself) have shown for Nancy G.
Listening to her will kill any hard on I'm having despite taking all the Vit. V in the world.
The main problem is she have a very big following that treats her every word as words from god. She could create more damage to our mongering world than the Pope.
Already her thoughts on the sex capital of the world is spreading. I'm already seeing more and more talk shows bringing up this matter and showing pieces of BKK videos on the go-go, bars, fishbowls (MPs), etc. all over the TVs.
I have no problems with the true original topic with J. Karr--tracking down child violators anywhere, but its gotten way off track now as ALL mongering activities are deem "evil".
Cant wait to see what kinda treatment I'll get from my hometown Immigration when they see my passport. I'll bet they will have J. Karr in the back of their minds.
Damn, I may need to fly to I raq just to take their attention off all my BKK passport stamps.

PT

[QUOTE=Tulip777]
.....
This destination will be dead as disco music in a few years. We'll have nobody but ourselves to blame for this. Can we really blame these women for calling us stupid farangs?[/QUOTE]

I don't think so. There are other countries in the world (exactly all other) seeing this not with the same eyes.
The worst what could happen to the US fellow mongers is, that the law paragraphs regarding child prostitution could be extended to any kind of mongering. So to say, whats iillegal in the US is Illegal everywhere in the world for US citizens.

But who prove? Probably a Thai stamp in the passport then could create a customs deep dive in your arriving luggage in search for evidence. So no more fotos then, better you need to do some cultural tours to get the flash cards full of Temple's, Garden's etc., no condoms bringing back etc.

The worst thing what could happen is some US patrol in the critical areas to ifentify 'Law violators', like US-Military does in Korea by frequently checking the monger off limits places in search of such violators. But I don't think Thai goverment will allow this.
To high is the economical aspect of the moingering for the girls. And Thai saves a lot of social budget with tolerating the scene.

And again, I don't believe that other countries will follow that path.

And you could help to some extend yourself, by not voting for the republicans next time, as I would consider the democrats (outside view however) less restrictive.

As an alternative there will still be the German FKK clubs as an option. Who would consider Germany as a monger paradise?

So there will be always an option.

regards

Brain666

[QUOTE=Brain666]I don't think so. There are other countries in the world (exactly all other) seeing this not with the same eyes.

The worst what could happen to the US fellow mongers is, that the law paragraphs regarding child prostitution could be extended to any kind of mongering. So to say, whats iillegal in the US is Illegal everywhere in the world for US citizens.

But who prove? Probably a Thai stamp in the passport then could create a customs deep dive in your arriving luggage in search for evidence. So no more fotos then, better you need to do some cultural tours to get the flash cards full of Temple's, Garden's etc., no condoms bringing back etc.

The worst thing what could happen is some US patrol in the critical areas to ifentify 'Law violators', like US-Military does in Korea by frequently checking the monger off limits places in search of such violators. But I don't think Thai goverment will allow this.

To high is the economical aspect of the moingering for the girls. And Thai saves a lot of social budget with tolerating the scene.

And again, I don't believe that other countries will follow that path.

And you could help to some extend yourself, by not voting for the republicans next time, as I would consider the democrats (outside view however) less restrictive.

As an alternative there will still be the German FKK clubs as an option. Who would consider Germany as a monger paradise?

So there will be always an option.

Regards

Brain666[/QUOTE]Would not put anything past these degenerates, but as far as the consensual sex between grown adults in a foreign country - people would start quoting the Helsinki human rights agreements of the '70s to defend themselves. It would be a total disregard for human rights, the constitution, common sense and everything else you could think of - that of course (in line with your thoughts) is not a guarantee that such laws couldn't be passed. With all the dishonesty and ignorance any bill can get through the legislature. By the way, prostitution is legal in some areas of the US.

[QUOTE=Tulip777] By the way, prostitution is legal in some areas of the US.[/QUOTE]

The only place prostitution is legal in the U.S. is some counties of Nevada and then only in licensed brothels. In some areas the laws against postitution aren't enforced vigorously, but it;s still illegal.

Evil

Hi,

I've been told that there are some pretty wild gangbangs/bukkakes organised in BKK, one just has to know where. Any info or experiences? I'm visiting BKK for the first time in a forthnight.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Brain666]

And you could help to some extend yourself, by not voting for the republicans next time, as I would consider the democrats (outside view however) less restrictive.

Brain666[/QUOTE]

Actually, the Republicans are for free trade, pro-business and less government intervention. It's the Democrats who want to get involved in issues such as this and make them illegal.

"So do you Mongers really want a real girlfriend with its responsibilities or not?"

I guess everybody comes at this question from a different place and a different time in their lives. For me - I was married for 8 years in my 30's to a wife who made nagging and guilt an art form. I think she may be teaching it at university now. But years of that and living in the suburbs with financial expectations sucking out my life force has made me more than a little leery of committment or responsibility. So right now I just want to take it easy and enjoy the company of many of these fine women in which a happy ending for all comes with the payment of some lucre. I am still a little old fashioned about relationships though in that I think it's at least mildly important that you can communicate with and have some similar interest with a woman you spend lots of time with. Nothing pains me more than to see a falang and a Thai girl sitting down to eat and not a word passes between them while having dinner. Because there is really nothing for them to talk about. One girl I was with a few times before she informed me that she was having to go the next three weeks with an old time customer before she could see me again - but it was more of a complaint than a hurrah - "we never talk - it's so boring - and he doesn't even let me drink wiskey!".

Today I had a lovely 90 minute or so encounter - absolutely perfect for my needs - I was able to contact a girl that I was with once two years ago thru another girl - she was a go-go dancer than but has "retired" to study at university but still needs money from time to time - so not only was it close to heaven but I made a contribution to higher education as well! I decided to take 6 months off from a consulting job and do this Asia fling to see if it appealed to me in the long run - maybe at some point I will find a girl that rocks my world more than sexually and I would like to be more than a sugar daddy to her - but I have my doubts.

[QUOTE=DRRonin]"So do you Mongers really want a real girlfriend with its responsibilities or not?"

[/QUOTE]

I mongered for years and didn't know what true happiness was until I met my Thai GF. We have been together for almost four years and every second has been great. Having a Thai GF makes living in Thailand so much better.

P.S.
Your ex and mine must have attended the same school. As I suppose most Western White Women have. Just wait until Hillary is elected President and Nancy Pelosey is leader of the majority party.

Hey,

We can't all do the Eden Club every night while staying at a 5 star. Where's the report "mongering bkk on a budget." From hotels (1k bt); MPs; travel, etc. I know I wouldn't be the only person who would get alot out of this. I want to get the most out of the trip: example, go cheap on hotel and stay out? Or better hotel but less expensive visitors (nah)? And if you're going to have one splurge experience (US$100), what would it be? My trip is scheduled for November.

Thank you.

Fersure

[QUOTE=Retired Army]I mongered for years and didn't know what true happiness was until I met my Thai GF. We have been together for almost four years and every second has been great. Having a Thai GF makes living in Thailand so much better.

P.S.
Your ex and mine must have attended the same school. As I suppose most Western White Women have. Just wait until Hillary is elected President and Nancy Pelosey is leader of the majority party.[/QUOTE]Many of us guys fall in to this trap - it must be our wiring. They instinctively know how to push our buttons and if we have nothing to feel guilty about, we just feel guilty about feeling guilty. But the need to be loved is as human as can be. When a man lives with someone for fifteen years, or even four, and knows that she loves him and is loyal to him, typically, he reciprocates. But our wiring lets us go to LOS without her, just the same.

[quote=retired army]actually, the republicans are for free trade, pro-business and less government intervention. it's the democrats who want to get involved in issues such as this and make them illegal.[/quote]

that used to be true, when the republicans were the party of fiscal conservatism and libertarian social values. now, however, the republicans are in the thrall of the religious right, who believe that they need to regulate our conduct in the bedroom, and wait for the rapture so they can meet jesus again. and if they have another crusade, leading to a nuclear war to speed us along to the rapture, that's all the better for them. unfortunately, retired army has not kept up with the times, if he actually believes what he posted represents the bush/cheney/santorum/alito wing of the republican party that actually runs things now, and has brought more government spending and government intervention into our daily lives than any u.s. administration in history.

[quote=member #2041]that used to be true, when the republicans were the party of fiscal conservatism and libertarian social values. now, however, the republicans are in the thrall of the religious right, who believe that they need to regulate our conduct in the bedroom, and wait for the rapture so they can meet jesus again. and if they have another crusade, leading to a nuclear war to speed us along to the rapture, that's all the better for them. unfortunately, retired army has not kept up with the times, if he actually believes what he posted represents the bush / cheney / santorum/alito wing of the republican party that actually runs things now, and has brought more government spending and government intervention into our daily lives than any u.s. administration in history.[/quote]i totally agree. the only government intervention republicans are against is the government intervention in big business. any other intervention is fine with them. one can say that the republicans are squeezing us from both sides. the biggest problem for us is that the democrats are even worse.

[blue]please post political commentary in the american politics thread.[/blue]

[size=-2][u]editor's note[/u]: [blue]this is interesting. however, political commentary may only be posted in the [u]political commentary[/u] thread in the special interests section of the forum. political commentary is not permitted in the regular travel information threads. [i]thanks![/i][/blue][/size]

Politics,

Gentlemen, unless republicans or democrats from the US can change prostitution laws in Thailand, what is this crap doing here:(?

[QUOTE=Freeler]Politics,

Gentlemen, unless republicans or democrats from the US can change prostitution laws in Thailand, what is this crap doing here:(?[/QUOTE]People are being stopped in airports in the US and treated like criminals only because they have a Thai stamp in their passport. You'd be surprised what kind of changes can happen in Thailand after $10 billion bribe from radical zealots in this country.

[quote=delfuego]hi,

i've been told that there are some pretty wild gangbangs/bukkakes organised in bkk, one just has to know where. any info or experiences? i'm visiting bkk for the first time in a forthnight.

thanks[/quote]

with enough time and money, it's possible to set up just about anything in bkk. but don't believe for a second it's going to be like gangbang or bukkake parties you see on web sites, dvd or video.

if you're asking if there's any number you can call or place you can walk into that sets up gangbangs/bukkake in which a stranger can participate, i've never heard of any. there are privately arranged sessions with multiple guys and one or two girls, but it's nothing like a film. the girl(s) will suck off or screw the guys one at a time while the others watch - at most she'll suck one while another screws her. no chance that five or ten guys are going to drop loads on her face or the girls will submit to dp.

at the famous star of light in patpong, a lot of the action takes place in the open, in front of other customers. it isn't unusual to see two or three girls working on one guy, but never vice versa. that's not my personal scene at all, but the sol has a very loyal following.

if you want to come on the girl's face or in her mouth, that can be arranged many places, at sol, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, eden club and others, or negotitated with bgs and flers. but the girls will shy away from anything involving multiple guys and one girl.

evil

[QUOTE=Delfuego]Hi,

I've been told that there are some pretty wild gangbangs/bukkakes organised in BKK, one just has to know where. Any info or experiences? I'm visiting BKK for the first time in a forthnight.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Eden might work for you, I hear (I'm yet to visit the place) so ask the experts in here. Or a few girls from a low-end go-go style establishment. But you can't just check out 3 or 4 women and expect to have a good time. The key here is to find the right group - that's where developing a relationship with mamasan comes in. My kink is mature asian and latina women with good looks and no scars. I'm talking about amateurs. Used to have a 45 year old Vietnamese lady, here back home, who did a lot of leg work for me.

They are very talented when it comes to finding you what you want if they put their mind into it. Almost as talented as Fillipinas, but probably more reliable. Try not to overpay.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]Unfortunately, Retired Army has not kept up with the times, if he actually believes what he posted represents the Bush/Cheney/Santorum/Alito wing of the Republican Party that actually runs things now, and has brought MORE government spending and government intervention into our daily lives than any U.S. administration in history.[/QUOTE]

I haven't been in the U.S. for a long time and am "out of touch." I guess my attempt at "tongue-in-cheek" satire didn't go over too well. The truth is: I am terribly disappointed with the Republicans, but I sure don't want Hillary as President.

[QUOTE=Delfuego]Hi,

I've been told that there are some pretty wild gangbangs/bukkakes organised in BKK, one just has to know where. Any info or experiences? I'm visiting BKK for the first time in a forthnight.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Check the Bangkok Tonight web site. There seems to be a regular bukkake sessions in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=DRRonin]"So do you Mongers really want a real girlfriend with its responsibilities or not?"[/QUOTE]

After awhile, I think most do; at least those who take up permanent residence here.

There are several stages that one passes through here with regards to life and expecially Thai women.

Stage one is the fresh off the plane, go-crazy stage. As in my case, and the case of all my friends and just about every Farang I now, you get a job, get some digs in a Thai neighborhood and work for the weekend when you can go out and hit the bars. In the beginning, the GoGos, the freelancers, the MPs were all novel and new. By Thursday every week during the first year or so, we'd all be itching to "get on it" as an English friend of mine used to say. But, after about a year or two of this it begins to wear very thin. Admittedly, there are some guys who never get past stage one. I know a few who, after 10-15 years here are still going down to the bars every week on some mission. Most people I know view these guys as pathetic losers.

By the end of stage one, you enter stage two, do the usual and get yourself a GF from a bar. My first Thai GF came from Soi Cowboy, was from Udon Thani and had a gambling problem. We lasted barely five months. Looking at her picture now, I wouldn't go near her with a barge pole. She was pretty enough. But, she had an Isaan face and was quite dark; not my taste at all anymore. She was also psycho, as most P4P girls are, as one discovers after you get to know them a little.

If you're working here, you encounter a lot of regular TGs and realize that they are much nicer and certainly better looking than 90% of the P4P girls. So, you enter stage three; getting a regular TG, learning to speak Thai, getting into the culture more and generally learning to fit in. At the same time, your taste starts to change. This happens more radically for some, than others. But, generally, unless you're some low-class yob who bought a bar in Pattaya and married the first BG that you shagged, (a very common occurence, unfortunately), or moved to Nakhon Nowhere in Isaan and retired with your LBFM and a paltry pension, you move upscale towards a more Asian taste in women, i.e. Thai-Thai or Thai-Chinese.

Stage four is the settling into the long-term relationship and possibly marriage with a so-called "good, Thai girl". You seldom, if ever go to the bars anymore as you realize that most of those girls are incredibly ugly compared to what you have at home and more importantly, what is now available to you for extracurricular activity, if so inclined. As an aside, I live five minutes form Soi Cowboy. But, I rarely go there. I went for the first time in six months last weekend because a friend wanted to, for old times sake. Either the quality has changed, or I have. Probably it's a bit of both. The girls were with few exceptions, coyote ugly in our opinions. We both left and went home by 10 pm.

In any event, if you are at stage four and decide to "step out" on your GF/wife at all, its with a Gig of equal or better quality. In old parlance, this would be a mia noi. But, that is so old-fashioned, now. The new past-time with both sexes in Thailand is having a Gig; more than a friend, less than a lover. There's even a movie out now called "The Gig". If you have "gone native" to some extent, as I and most of my acquaintances have, this is where you'll ultimately end up: with a regular TG, at least middle-class, and a Gig on the side. You might occasionally go with a P4P girl for convenience. But, you'll find these experiences a little lacking and you'll be less and less inclined to do this as time passes. There are so many regular TGs to meet. Why bother with P4P?

[QUOTE=Retired Army]I haven't been in the U.S. for a long time and am "out of touch." I guess my attempt at "tongue-in-cheek" satire didn't go over too well. The truth is: I am terribly disappointed with the Republicans, but I sure don't want Hillary as President.[/QUOTE]

Well, as someone who HAS been in the U.S., I can assure you that Hillary, or for that matter, ANYONE ELSE could not possible be as harmful to our nation as the crew that we have in charge right now.

I'd like to see whomever gets elected next deliver the present VP, President, and Secretary of Defense to the Iraqi people to stand trial for crimes against humanity. I am quite confident that the Iraqi citizenry would give them the justice that they deserve.

Note to the Moderators - After I posted this, I just saw your note asking that this content be confined to the Political commentary thread. I did not even know that there was such a thing, but in any case, feel free to move it, and the other relevant posts which started this issue, to that forum.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]Well, as someone who HAS been in the U.S., I can assure you that Hillary, or for that matter, ANYONE ELSE could not possible be as harmful to our nation as the crew that we have in charge right now.

[/QUOTE]

Enough of the politics. One of the great things about being an expat is not having to be bombarded with that silly shit on a daily basis. And I don't disagree with a lot of what you are saying. Just the Hillary part. I probably feel the same way about her that you do about Bush.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]A

By the end of stage one, you enter stage two, do the usual and get yourself a GF from a bar. My first Thai GF came from Soi Cowboy, was from Udon Thani and had a gambling problem. We lasted barely five months. Looking at her picture now, I wouldn't go near her with a barge pole. She was pretty enough. But, she had an Isaan face and was quite dark; not my taste at all anymore. She was also psycho, as most P4P girls are, as one discovers after you get to know them a little.
[/QUOTE]

Just learning now how psycho some of the girls can be. And boy they are never wrong are they, even after they have tried to fuck you over and then wonder why you get a little pissed off. But no never wrong.

I will be in BKK on Thursday till Monday 9/11. Are there any recommended places to go, like for girls and site seeing?

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
If you're working here, you encounter a lot of regular TGs and realize that they are much nicer and certainly better looking than 90% of the P4P girls. So, you enter stage three; getting a regular TG, learning to speak Thai, getting into the culture more and generally learning to fit in.[/QUOTE]

OTH,

I thought that was an insightful report. Keep up the good work. I just had a point of clarification. Your use of "TG" confused me for a second. I assume when you wrote "TG" you mean "Thai Girlfriend" rather than the common term for "Transgender" that the abbreviations list shows.

I was following your report fine until you started using "TG" and was thinking, "Why would OTH be interested in a ladyboy as a girlfriend at the third stage?" Then I figured it out... I think.

Cheers!

Fox Two

[QUOTE=Fox Two]OTH,

I thought that was an insightful report. Keep up the good work. I just had a point of clarification. Your use of "TG" confused me for a second. I assume when you wrote "TG" you mean "Thai Girlfriend" rather than the common term for "Transgender" that the abbreviations list shows.

I was following your report fine until you started using "TG" and was thinking, "Why would OTH be interested in a ladyboy as a girlfriend at the third stage?" Then I figured it out... I think.

Cheers!

Fox Two[/QUOTE]

For me TG is simply Thai Girl, nothing esle, otherwise many reports don't make sense.

regards

Brain666

TG= Thick Goooo

[QUOTE=Ezy Dundee]I will be in BKK on Thursday till Monday 9/11. Are there any recommended places to go, like for girls and site seeing?[/QUOTE]

I'm not really sure where the girls are - this is the wrong place to ask.

But highly recommended the crocodile farm - located on the way to pattaya beach. A must see.

And the beautiful temples and buddhas, the river market at dawn, etc.

OTH ~ your report perhaps contains some wisdom, but isn't "stage four" exactly what I have here in California? (minus the fried bugs?)

[Quote=several posters]
TG= Thai Girl, Thai Girlfriend
TG= Transgender
TG= Thick Goooo[/quote]Its so nice with all these abbreviations. Everyone can understand the posts to his own taste, as I understand now.

[QUOTE=Veterano]OTH ~ your report perhaps contains some wisdom, but isn't "stage four" exactly what I have here in California? (minus the fried bugs?)[/QUOTE]

Well, if you have a nice Thai GF in California and access to other nice TGs, there among the substantial Thai community, then you don't need to come to Thailand, do you? My report was about expats' life in Thailand, which with few exceptions eventually transcends the P4P scene. I should think that the situation here is different from your life in California, if for no other reason than quality of life is as good and costs a lot less.

BTW, only Isaan farmers eat fried bugs. No Thai would go near them.


I wrote the report, to answer the specific question that I addressed and also because I noticed lately on this board a few reports from guys who've come here for their two weeks of fantasy with the hooker of their choice, and are now hot-to-trot to move here lock, stock and barrel because it was such a life-changing experience with Oy, or Koy, or Ying, or Ning, or Da, or Fa (pick a name).


for the others...
TG=Thai Girl

A couple of my mates have been in LOS for 10+ years and I think you're right on the money. Thanks for the report.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] My report was about expats' life in Thailand, which with few exceptions eventually transcends the P4P scene.

BTW, only Isaan farmers eat fried bugs. No Thai would go near them.

[/QUOTE]

After a while in Thailand bar girls become like temples. They are all over the place and if you have seen one then you have seen them all.

About bugs, OTH forgot the other consumers: drunk farangs outside Nana Entertainment Plaza who have something to prove to their equally drunk mates.

I'm not sure where to post this question, but hopefully someone here can help out. I'm hoping to buy a nice supply if cheap Viagra/Cialis while traveling in Asia. If I don't have a prescription, will I get in trouble with U.S. customs if they discover boxes of the drugs in my luggage. I've never traveled abroad before so I have no idea how closely your bags get searched when American citizens return home!

Thanks for the advice!

[b]this is took place on a night in october, 2005[/b]

i stepped into the eden club at 10.00 p.m. sharp to pick up my ladies for the evening. they were waiting for me at the bar – thumper, with whom i’d spent many delightful hours in the past and bambi, who i’d never met before, but came strongly recommended by thumper.

i got the usual bubbly welcome with smiles, kisses and hugs from thumper, while bambi was understandably more reserved, but gave me a warm greeting nevertheless. i noticed bambi was holding the eden traveling bag of toys. already my pulse was quickening and we'd just said hello. i knew that within the next few hours i'd be treated to a virtuoso performance of the eden club theme song, [i]duet on a skin flute[/i] (or piccolo, if i'm to be honest).

thumper was at that time one of the stars of eden – she stood on the left side of the line of anal demarcation- and was very well known throughout the bkk scene. she stood a few inches over five feet, weighed around 95 lbs, had a sweet face and larger chest than many tgs. the scribe who thought up the word “cuddly” could have been thinking of her. she also spoke fluent english and had both an thorough understanding of, and affinity for, farang culture. on one of our first evenings together, we'd had a late snack at the huntsman pub in the landmark hotel. she dumbfounded me by ordering steak-and-kidney pie. at the many breakfast buffets we shared together, she would load up on fried eggs, sausage, baked beans and toast, while i ate rice porridge because of a stomach burned out by too many years of hard drinking and fast food.

slim and lithe, bambi was taller than thumper. she was also more provincial and her skills in english were limited. she was definitely cute and her smile melted my heart. i believed her when she said she was “shy,” even if that's a term not often used about eden ladies. like her disney namesake, there was something gentle, innocent and unsullied about her, her occupation not withstanding. at that time, she stood on the right of the line, but has since become a lefty.

i paid the standard all-night take-away fee (3,000 baht per lady) and we set off to my room at the town lodge hotel. the plan that we hatched during the tax ride was that i would change clothes - i was wearing business attire because of obligations earlier in the evening- then we’d go out for something to eat. as we turned into soi 18, thumper suggested we could eat at the rang mahal, the indian restaurant atop the rembrandt hotel, also on soi 18. i agreed immediately and we had the taxi drop us off at the rembrandt.

it was a great restaurant and a great meal. among her other talents, thumper is something of a gourmand and new exactly what dishes to order. she ate with gusto, but bambi just picked at hers . i got the feeling she'd rather eat thai food. there was enough for six people and we left with a stack of take-away cartons. as we exited the rembrandt, a well-dressed man was arguing furiously at the front desk about paying a joiner fee. the hotel boasts several excellent restaurants, but isn't guest friendly. the rembrandt's tuk-tuk, with the uniformed doorman driving, took us the final yards to the tl.

i parked the ladies in the bar of toxic at the tl, then rushed up to my room to put the food in the mini-fridge, shower and change clothes. i knew i'd be getting a thorough eden-style scrubbing from in a short while, but i didn't want to appear before the ladies as one of the lowest creatures on the customer scale – a stinky man. it reminded me of my mother, who at the age of 88, would spend hours straightening up her house before the weekly visit of the cleaning lady. mom said she didn't want the cleaning lady to think she was dirty or untidy.

refreshed, smelling good and comfortably dressed, i went back to toxic. bambi and thumper had ordered brandies, but i had the very sexy bar tender make me one of her signature “sex on the beach” cocktails. i also exchanged some words with toxic's owner, a very friendly guy. the five bar girls were having a great time dancing with each other as well as the guests. those girls don't usually dance. they wear ordinary clothes and normally sit quietly until a guest notices them. but that night they were in fine fettle and even thumper and i got roped into the dancing. true to her shyness, bambi sat by and watched.

after plenty of laughs (and drinks) all round, we adjourned to my hotel room, one of the jacuzzi suites at the tl. the ladies were impressed by it. thumper turned on the water, then began arranging candles and incense sticks in the jacuzzi room. bambi took me into the bathroom for the scrub down. she went over every millimeter of my body, including about an inch inside. she even scraped under my fingernails and filed them down as i kissed goodbye to my $45 nyc manicure. she watched as i brushed my teeth and gargled with mouthwash.

once she was satisfied i was clean, she dried me off a bit and led me back to the jacuzzi. i'd brought a bottle of glow-in-the-dark bath foam and thumper had used it with good effect. the mounds of bubbles reflected the light of the candles she had lit in the otherwise dark room and the effect was striking. bambi saw to it i was settled in the tub and began massaging my shoulders while thumper went for her shower. when thumper returned, bambi went back for her intimate washing.

thumper climbed in and began gently rubbing my cock and balls. bambi rejoined us quickly and took her place in the jacuzzi. she sucked my nipples, then used both hands to massage my balls while thumper handled my cock. this slow and dreamy manipulation continued as i lay back and soaked in the jacuzzi.

thumper asked me to stand up. she and bambi started to use their tongues and lips very slowly up and down my dick, one on each side. i was a full erection in seconds. after a brief detour in the bathroom to rinse off the bath foam and clean my asshole once more, we climbed on the huge bed in the suite's other room. the underbed lighting was perfect – enough light to follow all the action but subdued enough for the shy bambi.

[b]deep throat vs venus butterfly [/b]

the oral extravaganza then began in earnest. the ladies worked as a perfect team and complemented each other. from past associations, thumper knew i liked a lot of foreplay and for the pace to build slowly. she was an expert in the venus butterfly technique, using tongue and finger flutters, alternated with slow sucking of the tip of my dick. bambi was the deep throat specialist. she gradually worked my cock down her throat as thumper massaged and licked my balls. it felt like a boa constrictor had my penis. bambi took it to the hilt and them some. it sounds incredible, but in my case, i guess it's not hard to swallow. the ladies also rimming me. thumper knew that's not a big favorite of mine, they did it just a little for extra stimulation.

while bambi was deep-throating me to the max, thumper climbed atop my face. she likes her vagina penetrated with tongue and fingers, two fingers pressing on the g-spot. once my fingers were inside, she thrust vigorously against them. with my dick about as hard as it was going to get, bambi slipped a condom on it and thumper went for a ride. bambi moved up to kiss me for a good while, then straddled my face. she liked her clit sucked and whispered, “only one finger.”

maybe inspired by the indian meal, we tried positions from the kama sutra that night. i don't know the sanskrit names, but we did cowboy, reverse cowboy, doggy, spoon and missionary that would have dr. livingstone whirling in his grave. thumper knew it takes me a long time to come and in between the furious bouts of copulation and frequent shifts of position, we talked and joked a lot. the ladies seemed amused by the amount of work it would take to make me climax. i mentioned one of the positions of the kama sutra had the woman up-side-down. i don't know if that was literally true, but i thought i remembered seeing it in a picture of a temple sculpture and it sounded good at the time.

thumper smiled and said she'd like to try. i'm not acquainted with the kama sutra at all, but i have seen plenty of porno films. we put some pillows on the floor and thumper lay with her shoulders on them, then raised her torso, ending up in the bicycle exercise position i remembered from high school phys ed classes. bambi helped hold her in place, hardly able to control her amusement at the situation. i was able to enter thumper, but wasn't easy or much fun. we also tried it with thumper propped up against the side of the bed, but again, the angles were all wrong. unless the man is supple as a rubber band or has a long dick, up-side-down sex isn't practical.

the novelty had worn off for me and i was ready to try something else. but the ladies exchanged some words in thai and bambi pulled out a dildo from the traveling bag, smiling hugely. she proceeded to lube it up and insert it in thumper's pussy. then put my hand on the base of the vibrator. while i pushed the vibrator in and out, bambi started sucking my dick. thumper kept saying, “more! more!” and i pushed harder and deeper. i don't know if she really came, but she gave a convincing performance. a lot of p4p is about maintaining illusion and when illusion becomes inseparable from reality, it's as good as reality.

we lay back in the middle of the bed and snuggled for a while. thumper asked me in her sexiest if i wanted to come and if i wanted “inside massage.” i agreed to both and bambi began sucking yet again with her best deep-throat technique. thumper slipped a condom over two fingers, applied lube generously to them and my asshole, worked her fingers in slowly and began massaging my prostate. bambi was literally swallowing my dick and with that kind of pressure front and back, i knew i'd soon climax. i gave bambi ample warning so she could adjust, but she didn't let up for a second. i shot a huge load into her mouth and she still kept sucking. i don't know if she swallowed or discretely spit the come into a kleenex or towel – i wasn't watching her just then- but she never let go of my dick. she kept it in her mouth until it relaxed on its own. even then, she didn't rush to the bathroom to rise her mouth or gag up anything she'd swallow. she just wiped her mouth on a towel and took a swig from the can of coke on the headboard. they pressed tight against me as i basked in the post-orgasm glow.

it doesn't get any better than that. i was totally satisfied and wanted to sleep as soon as the clean-up session was over. after the ladies washed me and closed the bathroom door for their own wash up, i took some money out of the mini-safe i normally tip the eden ladies 1,000 baht apiece for an overnight session, but they deserved more for this extraordinary adventure. i discretely pressed 1,500 baht into each of their palms.

for me, the session was over, but the ladies had other plans. in bed again, bambi said she was hungry. i'm sure she remembered we had plenty of food in the fridge, so i asked her what she wanted to eat. some conversation with thumper in thai and the answer came back, “papaya salad from the street.” thumper enjoyed the luxury cocoon of a big five-star hotel and liked being able to phone for room service in the middle of the night, but bambi preferred the nitty-gritty of the bangkok street scene. i told her if she wanted som tom, we could go out and get it.

then the next surprise came. thumper asked me if i'd ever been to a night market. yes, but many years ago. would i like to go? my honest would have been, “not really,” but it seemed a small enough favor to grant after all they'd done for me. and besides, i was getting too set in my ways, i needed a bit of spontaneous adventure even if i was tired.

sure, i said and the ladies acted like kids on christmas morning. thumper began chanting, “go market! go market!” as we got dressed. by then it was 3.30 a.m and the three of us stepped out into a night as hot and humid as a steam bath. we only had to walk 50 meters until a cab swung onto soi 18 from a sub-soi. we piled into the cab, thumper still chanting, “go market! go market!”

the cab turned down sukhumvit road and there were still masses of mongers and maidens in motion, although gaps were appearing in the action. we continued past soi 1 and the driver eventually turned right. i had no idea where we were heading, but later found out it was the bo bae textile night market. i still have no concept of its location, other than it was about a 20-minute cab ride from soi 18. it was packed with people, thousands it seemed. textiles and clothing of all description was sold from the stalls along the sidewalks. i saw only a tiny bit of it, but the night market stretched for blocks. for those of you who pride yourselves on visiting places without other farangs, i have no problem recommending bo bae. the whole time i was there, i saw exactly one other farang. more about her later.

we looked around for awhile - there wasn't much of interest to me. i'd mentioned to the ladies i wanted to buy some souvenirs for my mother and other relatives, but bo bae didn't hold much promise in my eyes. it was clothing by the bails, probably straight from chinese factories. but commerce was brisk and thumper lost no more time in beginning with her shopping. bambi took me to a street eatery and we sat down on stools at a rickety card table. the owner seemed pleased to see me and immediately plunked down two battered tin cups with ice water. i was very thirsty, but imagined there were whole battalions of bacteria in the water waiting to attack my intestinal tract.

[b]cockroaches and lady boys[/b]

bambi ordered som tom for herself, but that would be a bit fiery for me at 4.00 am. in the morning, especially after a late dinner heavy on curry. bambi ordered something for me, describing it only as “not spicy.” what i got was a bowl of beef broth with thick, rope-like noodles and bits of beef offal floating in it. i guess thai food doesn't get much more authentic than that and the broth tasted delicious, but i was still full from dinner and good only manage a few spoonfuls. the chipped, mismatched bowls, tin spoons and one-cockroaches scurrying in the sour-smelling gutter also tended to blunt my appetite.

thumper appeared with bags of clothing as well as some bottles of water and a few cans of seven up. she also had a cold towel which she laid across my neck. i drained a bottle of water – my bodily fluids needed to be replenished – and started on a can of the soda. thumper ate her own bowl of broth and scarfed down the rest of mine as well. she and bambi had a brief conversation, the crux of it being that bambi thought i needed to get back to the hotel because of the heat and my tiredness. thumper promised to finish her shopping quickly – she was buying “clothes for children and sexy clothes for ladies -” and bambi and i continued to sit. she also continued to fuss, borrowing a newspaper from the eatery's owner so she could fan me with it. we munched on a bowl of peanuts he put in front of us.

after some minutes of rather boring people watching, i saw a motorcycle stop and a young farang woman, hop off the back. she had mediterranean features, but could have come from anywhere. a short, ratty-looking thai guy sidled up beside her and something changed hands between them. i'd seen that kind of situation many time in manhattan and knew what it meant. for some unfathomable reason – maybe because i was bored – i decided to talk to the girl. i stood up, told bambi to stay put and strode towards the girl. i no idea what i was going to say, perhaps something lame like “just say no!” but i never got the chance. as soon as the girl saw me, she jumped back on the motorbike and the driver peeled away so fast he almost dumped her in the street. bambi looked at me like i had been too long in the heat. i said, :joke, joke” to excuse myself, but in truth, it had been a very idiotic thing to do. the best way to get yourself hurt is to interfere with a doper and his or her score. i mentally castigated myself for my stupidity, then paid the eatery owner all of 60 baht for our food.

bambi and i set off to find thumper. she hadn't gotten far. bambi started looking at children's clothing herself and i was left to my own devices for a few minutes. as i stared aimlessly at the street, i felt a hand run up underneath my shirt. i thought it must be either bambi or thumper, although that would be out of character for them. i turned to face two lady boys, one of whom was taller than me. they didn't really smile at me, just sort of leered. it wasn't a pleasant moment.

then, by magic, thumper appears at one side of me and bambi at the other. it was the ladies versus the lady boys and by the tone of it, the ladies were winning. the lady boys shrugged and moved on. i asked my defenders what had been said. thumper just shook her head and bambi answered, “not beautiful,” as if that explained everything.

by now, thumper was totally loaded with bag after bag. bambi and i helped her carry them. one more place to look and then we'd go back to the hotel, thumper said. she guided us to a stall which sold lengths of thai silk. she and bambi wanted to buy some lengths as gifts for my mother and other relatives of mine in the u.s. i protested that wasn't necessary, but they insisted it was. they suggested three lengths and asked me to pick the colors. i chose royal blue, gold and a tan-brown hue. thumper said farangs liked bright colors, while thais would prefer the milder tan color, that's not exactly the color scheme of the clothing of most tgs i knew, herself included, but maybe she was thinking of traditional styles.

the shopping complete, we caught a cab back to the town lodge. on the way back up sukhumvit road, thumper asked the driver to pull over so she could buy breakfast at a food stall. even though it was 5.30 a.m, there were still a lot of people in the street, but now the girls outnumbered the punters by three to one. the ladies hopped out and came back quickly with several bags of food. thumper said she'd eaten my times at that stall on the way back home after all-night sessions and it was very clean.

“when a lady boom-booms all day, she needs a lot of energy and has to eat a lot,” thumper said.

breakfast back at the hotel consisted of sticks of fried dough and bowls of rice porridge with meatballs of pork. the ladies stirred egg yolks – maybe from a duck egg - into theirs, but i passed on that. they brewed tea from the in-house supply, i drank water. feeling content but very tired, i thanked them profusely for the night's adventures and gifts. i tried to give them an extra 500 baht each, but they refused. thumper said she knew i was trying to pay for the gifts, but if i did that, it wouldn't be a gift.

this had been a night that went beyond heavy-duty fucking and sucking. how much further i wouldn't realize until several months later. already it numbered among my very best in-bed and out-of-bed p4p experiences. i was ready to sleep and thought the ladies would want to head home. but they had one more surprise for me. i said i was going to take a shower and bambi joined me again. for the second time that night, i got the full eden scrub, right down to the fingernails. after everyone was thoroughly washed, we crawled into bed.

thumper asked me if i wanted to come again. i said i did, but didn't know if i could. as she stroked my dick and bambi caressed my balls, she smile and asked me if i'd like to fuck her ass. that was an invitation i couldn't refuse after she'd asked so nicely and my cock expanded a few inches in confirmation. she smiled again and bambi began sucking my dick. they sucked it in turn and together, paying due attention to my balls and nipples. when i'd reached the desired degree of hardness, thumper lubed herself and bambi applied the condom and lube to my cock. thumper then guided my sheathed stinger into her back passage. once i'd established a good rhythm, bambi put a condom on her fingers and started the prostate massage. it took awhile and bambi to apply more pressure, but i shot a load on a deep thrust into thumper's ass. i lay totally pumped out while thumper decoupled from my dick.

again, some cuddling and kissing, then one more cleanup and back to bed, this time definitely for sleep. i couldn't believe it when bambi lay down beside me. she stroked me gently and then bent over started sucking me once more. i actually fell asleep with my dick in her mouth.

i woke up at about 10.30 a.m to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. bambi was still beside me, thumper was nowhere to be seen. i woke up again at about 1.00 p.m and bambi had gone as well. i saw bambi and thumper several more times in the following days. bambi told me she'd made a 1,000 baht profit on the bo bae clothes she'd sold to friends and neighbors. for a lady of thumper's caliber, there are quicker ways of earning 1,000 baht, but it was important for her to have earned money other than from p4p.

when i returned to the states, a friend of my took a picture of me presenting the lengths of silk to my mother. i made copies of the photo and sent them to bambi and thumper. two months later, my mom passed away, suddenly and peacefully. we used one of the lengths of silk – tan-brown color than thai people like – to cover the table on which the urn with her ashes was placed at her funeral. later, when the urn was interred beside the remains of my father, it was wrapped in the same length of silk.

i took a trip to thailand shortly after my mother's death and met up with bambi and thumper again, but separately. bambi was still working at eden, thumper had left (she's since returned). it told them both of my mother's death, they were very sorry. i few days later, bambi gave me a beautifully framed enlargement of the photo that i had sent her of my mother getting the silk from me.

that's class, gentlemen. real class, something you don't see much of today. not in thailand or farangland. the picture from bambi, and the lengths of silk, are among the most precious gifts i've ever received. and they came from ladies at the eden club.

[b]evil[/b]

[QUOTE=Slingfox]I'm not sure where to post this question, but hopefully someone here can help out. I'm hoping to buy a nice supply if cheap Viagra/Cialis while traveling in Asia. If I don't have a prescription, will I get in trouble with U.S. customs if they discover boxes of the drugs in my luggage. I've never traveled abroad before so I have no idea how closely your bags get searched when American citizens return home!

Thanks for the advice![/QUOTE]If you are a male who travels to SE Asia alone, there is a very good chance your bags will be searched upon your return (no guarantee but a good chance.) What happens next depends on who is doing the search. Your bags end up on the table, they unzip them and go through your stuff. If the boxes of Viagra or Cialis are found, it might get taken away, then again, they might let you keep it. Remember, they'd be searching on an outside chance you're bringing in illegal drugs - not for Viagra or Cialis. Just make sure it doesn't appear that you tried to hide anything among your things in the bag. If you have them gift-wrapped, they might not even bother to screw with it. Basically, it depends on the airport and a custom official. I never get searched when traveling with a lady and almost always get searched when traveling by myself, usually after a few questions like: "where are you coming from?", "how long you've been away?", "business or pleasure?" And it's not how you react that determines if you'll be searched, it's how they perceive you reacted and how they feel at that particular second. Never appear to be too talkative. They look for signs of nervousness such as unnecessary gesturing, avoiding eye contact, breathing patterns, speaking patterns, inadequate behaviour, etc. I believe that if someone has been employed by customs for 30 years, he or she should be able to guess the color of your underwear, before you step off the plane. When they do search you, customs guy will probably crack some stupid joke, just to see if you are too nervous to react in a normal way. A small grin confuses the crap out of them and typically does the trick.

Viagra is expensive in Bangkok. But you can get excellent deals on generic alternatives, which are just as good or better.

[QUOTE=Slingfox]I'm not sure where to post this question, but hopefully someone here can help out. I'm hoping to buy a nice supply if cheap Viagra/Cialis while traveling in Asia. If I don't have a prescription, will I get in trouble with U.S. customs if they discover boxes of the drugs in my luggage. I've never traveled abroad before so I have no idea how closely your bags get searched when American citizens return home!
Thanks for the advice![/QUOTE]

I brought back about 100 generic sildenifil citrate from India via Thiland last year and had no problems in US customs (single male). This year I brought back about 30 from Thailand - again no problems. In fact, the last time the US customs opended my bags was in 1983. I usually remove them from boxes and bring either just the foil-wrapped pills or take out the pills and put them in a US prescription bottle that says "Lipitor"! I believe you are allowed to bring reasonable quantities of drugs into the US if you have a prescription. Not sure how this will be checked. You might want to check the customs web site.

Last time I checked, you are allowed to bring in 40 pills for which you do NOT have a prescription.
A quick phone call to US customs will clear that up for you.

[QUOTE=Tulip777]If you are a male who travels to SE Asia alone, there is a very good chance your bags will be searched upon your return (no guarantee but a good chance.) [/QUOTE]

I've been doing the asian circuit for close to 30 yrs, last 10 always with carry-on, regardless of length of trip. One 21 inch roller, one tumi computer bag and usually small backpak for last minute things. Each yr make 2-4 trips to almost every country is asia and so on return, the completed form indicates the same. Thailand, other se asian countries on that list.

I usually dress in business casual when I deplane - although keep pair of sweats to wear on board. I ALWAYS look for older white male custom officer, stay away from minorities/women (no offense meant here)...even if it means going through the longer line. They can smell a rat a mile away but also know who is good to let go without a hassle.

Only twice had problems - once customs officer wanted to check my receipts for travel. After some stupid questions from him, I looked him in the eye and said: "officer, is there a problem?" He told me to go! Second time was when they stopped me after registering hits on their hand held geiger counters...yes! I had thyroid treatment one week prior and upon return still had enough isotopes in my system to register a hit...i explained this to them and they let me off.

[QUOTE=Crypton]I brought back about 100 generic sildenifil citrate from India via Thiland last year and had no problems in US customs (single male). This year I brought back about 30 from Thailand - again no problems. In fact, the last time the US customs opended my bags was in 1983. I usually remove them from boxes and bring either just the foil-wrapped pills or take out the pills and put them in a US prescription bottle that says "Lipitor"! I believe you are allowed to bring reasonable quantities of drugs into the US if you have a prescription. Not sure how this will be checked. You might want to check the customs web site.[/QUOTE]

What's the big deal about buying erectile disfunction medicine in Thailand? I get a 90 day supply of Levitra (my favorite) through my health insurance for nine dollars direct from the manufacturer.

Found this blog via worldsexnews.com tonite. Gawd Damn I wish I could write like this dude, he is a genius, an expat documenting his fantastic sex life in Thailand. The Patrick Bateman of Bangkok. Look at this delicious example:

“Back home, this chick liked it hard and violent. She was riding me like a fucking jack-in-the-box, like she had some sort of sexual rabies. She was doing that slapping cock onto outstretched tongue porno-style manoeuvre. Our fuck session soundtrack was Scissor Sister's Get it, Get it, looping about a thousand times (listening again now as I type). Switched to Jay Z's Big-Pimpin' for our post-coital shower, onto Marilyn Manson's God Eat God for a joint, and when the **** started sucking on my exhausted wiener once again, to Fuck the Pain Away by Peaches.”

Morally Diminished: A work of genius!!!

[url]http://morallydiminished.********.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Wan King]Found this blog via worldsexnews.com tonite. Gawd Damn I wish I could write like this dude, he is a genius, an expat documenting his fantastic sex life in Thailand. The Patrick Bateman of Bangkok. Look at this delicious example:

“Back home, this chick liked it hard and violent. She was riding me like a fucking jack-in-the-box, like she had some sort of sexual rabies. She was doing that slapping cock onto outstretched tongue porno-style manoeuvre. Our fuck session soundtrack was Scissor Sister's Get it, Get it, looping about a thousand times (listening again now as I type). Switched to Jay Z's Big-Pimpin' for our post-coital shower, onto Marilyn Manson's God Eat God for a joint, and when the **** started sucking on my exhausted wiener once again, to Fuck the Pain Away by Peaches.”

Morally Diminished: A work of genius!!!

[url]http://morallydiminished.********.com/[/url][/QUOTE]

How erotic!! Even multiple viagra tabs will not bring my dick to life reading this. JMHO

[QUOTE=Retired Army]What's the big deal about buying erectile disfunction medicine in Thailand? I get a 90 day supply of Levitra (my favorite) through my health insurance for nine dollars direct from the manufacturer.[/QUOTE]

I guess the big deal is that I don't.

If you can get to cambodia, it's cheaper than in muang Thai

What's all the crap about gettng searched when returning to US? The times I got searched I had a long list of various crap (once from Russia, the second from Thailand) which was over the $$$ limit. They don't seem to CARE much if you were in Cambo, Thailand, Korea, whatever as long as the $$$ is within the amount. No picture problems (of course, if they HAD looked there was nothing there.) My computer is FULLY encrypted - have fun folks - and I WON'T give the password without a court order (and then have fun finding anything) - thumbing nose at techno-imbiciles.

Thanks for the advice and accounts regarding US Customs and bringing back prescription drugs. It seems like it is safe to bring back a small supply so I'll try that and hope I don't get in trouble somehow! Now I just gotta find out where to get the stuff, so I'll start reading some old posts.

[QUOTE=Slingfox]Thanks for the advice and accounts regarding US Customs and bringing back prescription drugs. It seems like it is safe to bring back a small supply so I'll try that and hope I don't get in trouble somehow! Now I just gotta find out where to get the stuff, so I'll start reading some old posts.[/QUOTE]Suk area, SE Pharmacy Soi 15;

Hey Guys,

For me, U.S. Customs are a pain in the ass. I get searched every time I return to America these days. The drill goes something like this:

Q: You've been gone six (last time was nine) months?
A: Yep

Q: Do you have a job there?
A: Nope

Q: What do you do over there?
A: Live my life

At this point the guy (or girl) draws a big red slash on my Entrance Form and stamps my Passport.

Then I go and wait for my luggage. Upon trying to pass out of the baggage check the attendent looks at the red mark on my form and directs me to the evil baggage search area. I already know this is going to happen so I'm halfway turned around by the time the attendent returns my form.

The last time I ventured back to America in May it went like this with the evil baggage search attendent:

Q: Did you pack your bags yourself?
A: Yep

Q: Did anyone else handle your bags after you packed them?
A: Of course. I can't very well unload them from the plane can I?

Q: Do you have any illegal drugs or firearms?
Q: Why are you asking me these questions when it's obvious you're going to search my bags anyway?

A: We're doing it for your benefit.
My Response: Thank you so much for trying to help me sir. Now could you hurry up and get this over with and help me get on my way.

As he is searching my bags the man says, "Boy I wish I could take off for nine months like you."

"You should start saving your money now, then you can be treated like a criminal just like me."

He makes me turn on my laptop to make sure it's not a nuclear device. After that he searches my bag of toiletries and comes across a small ziplock bag with five yellow pills in it. "What are these?"

"Those are Tryptanol tablets."

"Are they prescription?"

"I have no idea. I bought them at a pharmacy in Thailand. I wanted a sleep aid and the pharmacist gave me these pills. He never gave me a prescription."

At this point his assistant snatches the tablets and runs off with them. Later he comes back and says everything's OK.

After I got home I noticed the b-a-s-t-a-r-d had shaved a small piece from one of the pills. I assume it was for some sort of analysis. Whatever.

Anyway, as I said, U.S. Customs are a pain in the ass. :)

poster . . .

Poster I sent you a PM

Duni

[quote=evil penivel]with enough time and money, it's possible to set up just about anything in bkk. but don't believe for a second it's going to be like gangbang or bukkake parties you see on web sites, dvd or video.

if you're asking if there's any number you can call or place you can walk into that sets up gangbangs/bukkake in which a stranger can participate, i've never heard of any. there are privately arranged sessions with multiple guys and one or two girls, but it's nothing like a film. the girl(s) will suck off or screw the guys one at a time while the others watch - at most she'll suck one while another screws her. no chance that five or ten guys are going to drop loads on her face or the girls will submit to dp.

at the famous star of light in patpong, a lot of the action takes place in the open, in front of other customers. it isn't unusual to see two or three girls working on one guy, but never vice versa. that's not my personal scene at all, but the sol has a very loyal following.

if you want to come on the girl's face or in her mouth, that can be arranged many places, at sol, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, eden club and others, or negotitated with bgs and flers. but the girls will shy away from anything involving multiple guys and one girl.

evil[/quote]thanks a million to you and all the other generous 'posters' here. i must admit it is daunting for a first-timer to sift through everything, however the newbie guides do help - now its off to bkk,hit & miss ;) one last question if i may, any partcular places associated with s&m?

thanks again

[QUOTE=Slingfox]Thanks for the advice and accounts regarding US Customs and bringing back prescription drugs. It seems like it is safe to bring back a small supply so I'll try that and hope I don't get in trouble somehow! Now I just gotta find out where to get the stuff, so I'll start reading some old posts.[/QUOTE]

You can get them in any pharmacy on Suk. I suggest price comparison, however. The names to ask for are Penegra, Caverta and Kamagra (among others) if you are looking for generic V. Last June I bought 4x100 mg Penegra in one shop for 400 B and another shop was selling the same for 800 B!

[QUOTE=PosterLion]Hey Guys,

For me, U.S. Customs are a pain in the ass. I get searched every time I return to America these days. The drill goes something like this:
<...>
Anyway, as I said, U.S. Customs are a pain in the ass. :)
poster . . .[/QUOTE]
Poster,

Maybe you need a new look. :) I was doing the back-n-forth gig with many multi-month trips all over SE Asia, til I finally rented a place in here BKK. Never once was searched, except for transiting Chicago to London, even though I had originated in SFO. Maybe it's just that SFO is a bit more laid back?

-Y

What city are you guys having trouble with customs? I live in Shanghai and typically go back through SFO. Is that a problem airport for customs?

I've not been back in about 18 months so don't know about all this.

I want to bring back some DVD movies. Is that a problem?? Not so concerned about my lap top as there is nothing on it.


ES

[quote=eaglestar]what city are you guys having trouble with customs? i live in shanghai and typically go back through sfo. is that a problem airport for customs?

i've not been back in about 18 months so don't know about all this.

i want to bring back some dvd movies. is that a problem?? not so concerned about my lap top as there is nothing on it.es[/quote]

i would much rather go through sfo than lax. seems as if the l.a. customs agents have an "attitude." but then again, lax is a much larger and busier airport that sfo.

it depands, counterfit dvd are illegal to bring into the u.s.; but, i doubt they would throw you in jail unless you have suitcases full. however, they will confirep001e them if they are found. i always take them out of the sleeves and write family vacation or some bs like that on the disks.

[QUOTE=Retired Army]=I always take them out of the sleeves and write family vacation or some BS like that on the disks.[/QUOTE]
I just buy a garden-variety CD/DVD case and slide them in. Never questioned once.

Cheers,
-Y

[QUOTE=Yi Ren]Poster,

Maybe you need a new look. :) I was doing the back-n-forth gig with many multi-month trips all over SE Asia, til I finally rented a place in here BKK. Never once was searched, except for transiting Chicago to London, even though I had originated in SFO. Maybe it's just that SFO is a bit more laid back?

-Y[/QUOTE]In the past 17 months I was searched 3 out of 5 times, twice at SFO, once in Amsterdam. Instead of focusing on real threats they're wasting our tax dollars. I don't fit into any category that's typically profiled. Last time, customs official at SFO was surprised to see less than a 2 month period between trips and told me so. He seemed to relax a bit after finding some commercial samples of Thai folk-art. I still believe they're paranoid about drugs when it comes to SE Asia.

[QUOTE=Yi Ren]Poster,

Maybe you need a new look. :) I was doing the back-n-forth gig with many multi-month trips all over SE Asia, til I finally rented a place in here BKK. Never once was searched, except for transiting Chicago to London, even though I had originated in SFO. Maybe it's just that SFO is a bit more laid back?

-Y[/QUOTE]

I'm a hick from Oklahoma so I normally enter the U.S. via MSP. I admit that I am not very helpful with the Customs Offcials. In fact, I am probably a complete asshole when I talk with them so I guess I am getting the treatment I deserve.

As a side note, I am fully satisfied with their helpful kindness. That must make me some sort of sicko sadist type na ja. ;)

poster . . .

[QUOTE=PosterLion]I'm a hick from Oklahoma so I normally enter the U.S. via MSP. I admit that I am not very helpful with the Customs Offcials. In fact, I am probably a complete asshole when I talk with them so I guess I am getting the treatment I deserve.

As a side note, I am fully satisfied with their helpful kindness. That must make me some sort of sicko sadist type na ja. ;)

poster . . .[/QUOTE]
Nuthin' wrong with being a hick - my grandpa on my dad's side was exactly that, till he moved west (shades of John Steinbeck). Hope you have better luck in the future. Keep up the positive attitude! :)

Cheers,
-Y

If you've arrived back from Bangkok in the last four months or so, I would like to make you a proposal. PM me the details and contact information for any lady with whom you had a great experience. I promise to treat her with respect. In exchange, I'll send you details and contact information on anyone with whom I have a great experience when I go to Bangkok in October.

Canyon

I fly 100-150k internationally a year, and rarely get searched. I can think of one time in the last 3 years, and that's because I had 3 huge checked bags (full of Thai stuff). I do think that Thailand sets off a bell or two. I even expect to be searched when I come back and have transited Amsterdam, Thailand, Indonesia and the like, but doesn't seem to make a difference yet.

When I've brought back 30-40 DVDs in the past, I put them in a medium sized camera bag (in an inside pocket) that I hand carry, and never been searched. I believe you can bring back 1 "suspect" DVD, but they may make you toss the rest. I never get the big boxed kind anymore, but just the ones in a little sleeve.

[QUOTE=Crypton]You can get them in any pharmacy on Suk. I suggest price comparison, however. The names to ask for are Penegra, Caverta and Kamagra (among others) if you are looking for generic V. Last June I bought 4x100 mg Penegra in one shop for 400 B and another shop was selling the same for 800 B![/QUOTE]

The last year or two I have been getting genuine Cialis in Saigon and generic (brand name Apcalis - from India) from the pharmacies on Sukhumvit in Bangkok.
I use 1/3 of a pill at a time.
It seems to me that the last lot of Apcalis (August) was not as effective.

[QUOTE=Jaimito Cartero]I fly 100-150k internationally a year, and rarely get searched. I can think of one time in the last 3 years, and that's because I had 3 huge checked bags (full of Thai stuff). I do think that Thailand sets off a bell or two. I even expect to be searched when I come back and have transited Amsterdam, Thailand, Indonesia and the like, but doesn't seem to make a difference yet.

When I've brought back 30-40 DVDs in the past, I put them in a medium sized camera bag (in an inside pocket) that I hand carry, and never been searched. I believe you can bring back 1 "suspect" DVD, but they may make you toss the rest. I never get the big boxed kind anymore, but just the ones in a little sleeve.[/QUOTE]


to Jaimito

I travel to Asia and China for business from the US 5 times a yr , US custom
is cracking down on copy dvd about 10 month ago mainly the movie is current showing in US cinema I was check 2 month ago coming back to san
francisco ,The agent ask me do I bring any software and dvd back luckly the
dvd that I have is chinese movie and I take out of the package ,I am not going to take any more chance there is alway first time getting caught.


fast eddie 48

I was at Fortune the other day and the DVD selection was very poor in comparison with the past. Anybody been to Pantip lately?

I think it is probably safer to shrink and burn copies of the DVDs onto a hard drive rather than to bring back the actual copies- this lightens your load as well. You can shrink them with DVD Shrink and watch them off your drive with the VLC Player, which are both freeware.

[QUOTE=Sanook D]I was at Fortune the other day and the DVD selection was very poor in comparison with the past. Anybody been to Pantip lately?
I think it is probably safer to shrink and burn copies of the DVDs onto a hard drive rather than to bring back the actual copies- this lightens your load as well. You can shrink them with DVD Shrink and watch them off your drive with the VLC Player, which are both freeware.[/QUOTE]I have been to Phanthip just about 6 weeks ago.

KB (Kaek & Bow) VDO has always been reliable for me but you need to buy the true DVD 9 (dual layer) with 9 on the silver sticker (not the fake DVD 9s)to be sure of quality, which is slightly more expensive (200 Baht). If I ask about DVD5, they will tell me if its not good quality since they have to keep some very recent stuff filmed off the screen to compete with other shops with just released movie titles.
PM me I will give the phone number for this little shop.

Please note that it is getting tougher these days for them to get good quality copies before the release of the movie to DVD.

The movie studios have woken up and are very careful with their product.

Where is the best place in Bangkok to find a P4P girl who will stay all night? That used to be easy years ago, but now it is almost all short time there. Some of the girls in Bangkok now promise all night but just say that and leave after short time. Any recommendations or tips? Estimate of the cost?

[QUOTE=Henry R]Where is the best place in Bangkok to find a P4P girl who will stay all night? That used to be easy years ago, but now it is almost all short time there. Some of the girls in Bangkok now promise all night but just say that and leave after short time. Any recommendations or tips? Estimate of the cost?[/QUOTE]
Henry,

Thai girls are in general not that reliable for staying long time. It usually depends on who they live with and have they got valid excuses for not going home, and family committments for next day are a factor also.

Definitely there is a modern trend towards ST. But if the price is right, plenty of girls still interested in LT.

You need to build a collection of phone numbers of regular reliable girls, who you know won't dissappoint. This takes time and you need a special Thai SIM card to use to call these girls. Not your regular number.

Next thing, you don't want to agree to an all night price and then have the girl run off. She might be no good, and you might not want all night after all.

Try to get the girl not too late, so that if she runs off, you still have a chance to get another one.

Make sure that you negotiate a short time price first. Then you can negotiate a special price for all night. If the price is good this helps encourage the girl. Of course its important that she likes you as well.

When agreeing to a long time, make sure that agree on the minimum finish time as well as minimum number of pops (sex bouts). Some girls will still try to wriggle out of these deals.

Many times I have gone with a girl with no money agreement at all.
They then hope the tip will be as good as their service.

When first talking to a girl, try to ask casual things, but evetually get to casually ask things like: Does she live with mum and dad? or the dreaded Thai boyfriend? (she probably won't be truthful if this is the case). Does she have a young baby, etc.
The answers to some questions may indicate the lack of chances for a LT.

Years ago I had same dilema as yourself.

But now I don't care if I have to sleep alone occasionally.

There are places where you can go to get laid first thing in the morning (my favourite time for sex). if you didn't have an all night gig. Morning bars and also search the Massage thread to find places open very early.

Another approach I have used. Get a ST or two at midnight or so. Then go find another girl but indicate that you don't want sex right away, but want to sleep first. So sex might be in the morning instead. And of course she won't get paid until you have had sex with her in the morning. If you get too horny and can't wait till morning, thats a problem for ensuring the LT. But if you had a good time great

[QUOTE=Henry R]Where is the best place in Bangkok to find a P4P girl who will stay all night? That used to be easy years ago, but now it is almost all short time there. Some of the girls in Bangkok now promise all night but just say that and leave after short time. Any recommendations or tips? Estimate of the cost?[/QUOTE]Henry : you just find them all over, Freelancers, Go Go's, beerbars. Not all wan LT but many do if the price is OK and they have no other ( family ) obligations.

I will be in Thailand for fifteen days in November. The last time I visited, I booked a lady for two days through an escort agency.

The time together was great, and so I contacted her directly this time, and negotiated full time for 3000 baht per day for the entire fifteen days.

Now the question - what do you think the reaction will be if after a period of time I lose interest or she doesn’t keep her part of the bargain, and I ask her to leave? Could this be dangerous or will I just need to deal with a potentially furious lady?

Naturally I will pay her the agreed daily per day fee for the days together plus say an extra day as a tip.

It is difficult to give you a specific place for Long Time. I have got very good long timers in most of the places but it is up to the girls. If the girls feels good with you she will be happy generaly to stay for a night. Gogo girls are asking between 2000 to 4000 bahts for long time.

I have got a marvelous long timer in Patpong for 1500 bahts or Nana (from 2000 to 3000) but gogo Girls are much more interested by Short time.

Bier Garden is a good place for long timers. Of course the quality goes from ugly girls (a lot) to some stunners (who are choosing their customers). Price is between 1500 to 2000 bahts.

Happy hunting. Try to create a good contact with the girls and you will get much more long times.

[QUOTE=Henry R]Where is the best place in Bangkok to find a P4P girl who will stay all night? That used to be easy years ago, but now it is almost all short time there. Some of the girls in Bangkok now promise all night but just say that and leave after short time. Any recommendations or tips? Estimate of the cost?[/QUOTE]

With my 1 time 7 days only visit, I am probably not good for statistics, but I did't have a bad experience for LT. Some of my longtimers have even stayed to late afternoon and more or less went from me directly to work. The one who needed to leave earlier told me before I barfined her for LT, that she had to leave around 8:00h and after our session which she obviously liked, she asked me to announce my 'arrival' 1 day earlier, so that she could arrange accordingly for longer stay. (many have duties in the morning, such as child care etc.).
I issued to large reports from my trip. Someone put it into the reports of distinction. You can read there.

Your milage will vary, but your attitute and the developped harmony between the girl and you plays an important role as Poupard2000 said.

Regarding gogo girls I recommend not to Barfine for LT to early in the day (and this is probably true for all places). If you pick up from later then 22:00h, better 23:00h the girls chance of another session is much lower and statistically should improve the LT success rate. But during your talks for selection, why not to ask her how long she can stay e.g. 'as you would prefer the long time ending with a (late) breakfast together'.

When talking to the girl some time and not just make a 2 minutes decision, her reaction to your talks can indicates a lot.

As said, I was not disappointed regarding LT, so my judgement during selection was obviously not so bad.

Cost: I usually offer between 2000 (FL Beergarden) and 2500 (Gogo) if I am asked - and almost all settle for that immediately. And if the girl ask for 3000 I would offer 2500 + a tip ' depending on both of us'. 4000 would be to much for a girl picked up late in the evening, 23:00h or later. But I am not talking about 5 Star Hotel disco mega stunners here.
1 time I did not do any price discussion upfront, but the girl was so outstanding (she enjoyed it as well and was the drive of a last round 15:00h in the afternoon) that I gave her 3500 Baht in her pocket which she didn't even count when we both left my room around 16:30h!!.

Good luck, and report.

Regards

Brain666

[QUOTE=Henry R]Where is the best place in Bangkok to find a P4P girl who will stay all night? That used to be easy years ago, but now it is almost all short time there. Some of the girls in Bangkok now promise all night but just say that and leave after short time. Any recommendations or tips? Estimate of the cost?[/QUOTE]

Try Thermae Coffee Shop/Bar on Sukhumvit Road near Asoke. Go there about 11 pm, the place should be packed with freelance ladies. Many of them have normal daytime jobs, just try to make some extra money in the evening (the semi-pros). There are also some ex-bar girls who are no longer able to work in bars for various reasons, mostly connected with some sort of STD/HIV. So take your time and have a drink, give yourself a chance to take in the scene. Talk to the girls, if you interested in a girl, buy her a drink and talk about the price. Generally speaking, the semi-pros are nicer, shy and friendlier, eager to please. Use your own judgement, keep away from the harden (often older) ex-bar girls. The going rate is about 1500 to 2000 Baht all night. Most of them will want to leave around 7 or 8 in the morning to go to their daytime job. Outside Thermae and in front of Robinson department store/Grand Pacific Hotel there are some girls sitting near the row of phone boxes, walk past them slowly and turn round walk back again, some of them will approach you, or looking at you and smile. If you see anyone you like, then ask her for the price. LT will be 1000-1500 Baht. You need to chose carefully, if have any doubts about the girl, give her a smile walk on.

As far as go go bar goes, if you want LT , go there after 11, by midnight, the girls are more willing to go with you all night, the rates will be 2500-4000 Baht, and can go a lot higher.

Happy hunting.

Hi Mongers,

I was in Bangkok during the first week of August for a conference and some business meetings. Fortunately, the conference was one in which I did not have to think, and the business meetings were a few hours in the afternoon. Two of my Hong Kong friends joined me for the weekend.

Getting out of Don Muang and to my hotel (Suk Soi 20) was a breeze for some odd reason; the total time from the gate to my hotel was forty minutes. Low season? Rainy season? Whatever the reason, I was happy (although the flight was 2.5 hours late out of Hong Kong).

At about 830pm I wandered over to Cowboy where I was to meet some friends. I stumbled across some other friends from California and Maryland who were in for the same conference, meaning that my business community is way too small or Bangkok needs more entertainment areas! We started off at Bacara (I like the PR hostesses outside--barfined one of them about six months ago and she was great, FS with BBBJCIM) and ended up at Dollhouse where I barfined a late 20-something for B2,500 long time. Well, after the preliminaries, the deed and some sleep, she starts complaining at about 3am, so I chuck her out with B2,000.

On Thursday night, I wandered around Cowboy again and popped into Suzy Wong's. For those of you that are planning to visit LOS in the near future, you should have a look. The show has returned to some of its previous glory--let's just say that four women seriously enjoy each other. I barfined a sweetie who turned out to be from Chiang Mai and in Bangkok for three months. She is working at Suzy Wong's because her sister suggested working there. This immediately aroused my interest--any gal who would work in the industry on the advice of her sister would perhaps be interested in having fun together with me and her sister, right? Alas, it was not to be; her sister had "gone off with a customer". Interestingly, some of the other dancers confuse her with her sister and do not realize that there are two sisters working there. Oh well, took her back to the hotel for some fun. She was great, but did the "I have to leave because I need to go school thing" at 5am. Well, that was ok. At least I was able to contribute to her education fund (B600 bar fine and B2,500 long time). Low season and the bar fine in Cowboy goes up. Go figure.

Friday night I played tour guide to three guys from the conference and my two friends from Hong Kong (who had arrived that evening). Off to Patpong and Kings Castle 1. I felt like I needed a bloody tourist guide flag with this bunch! The guys from the conference had not been to LOS in about 10 years and acted like a bunch of pubescent testosterone filled teen-agers! Actually, the scene was quite amusing as they thought the girls were cute and the beer cheap. The girls wanted B2,500 short time (B500 bar fine, B500 for the room upstairs and B1,500 for the girls), but there were no takers. We left King's Castle after an hour and moved on to King's Garden where I had been drinking with the manager and one of the mamas for many years--they know me and leave me alone with my beer. Well, the boys went at it with a vengeance: my two Hong Kong buddies went back to King's Castle 1 to grab some gals (B3,000 long time and B500 bar fine), while the three guys from the conference each took a gal from King's Garden upstairs (B1,500 short time, B500 bar fine and B500 hotel). One of the mamas came back and said she needed B100 for condoms which kind of ticked me off, but I let that one go. Ninety minutes later, I am sipping my beer and talking to mama when the three conference guys stumble back down, all with smiles on their faces and signs on their foreheads that said "Freshly Fucked". Kinda sweet, really. Anyway, we hustle across Silom so that I can throw them into the appropriate meter taxi (Chid Lom? Meter? Ok. Asia Hotel? Meter? Ok. Suk Soi 20? Meter? Ok.) to get them--and me--back to their hotels.

The next morning (Saturday) my two Hong Kong buddies report in about the gals from King's Castle. One had a really great time with a 26 year old with small tits (Miss Small Tits) who lives by herself in her own apartment; in his words "Wow! Professional blow job!". The other one had an ok time with a really cute 22 year old (No. 2) that needed to go home at 5am because she lives with her parents. (Note: We have learned to ask the gals whether they live alone...we have come to the conclusion that we will only take gals long time if they live by themselves!) Anyway, Miss Small Tits would return to the scene later.

Saturday night and off to MBK for shopping and dinner with my Hong Kong buddies. After that, we headed to Nana (the conference guys were massively hung over and needed to be nice to their wives that night :-). We poked our heads in the usual haunts but did not see anything special. (I think that we are spoiled by having KTV fun in China where the girls do not wear bras or panties.) We wander around a bit and one of my buddies had a quite good hamburger at Big Mango. I really like Big Mango as it is like a quiet spot in the madness of Nana! Very relaxing and you can overlook the shenanigans going on below. Leaving Nana about 1130pm, I see a really cute 20-something freelancer and get her phone number for future reference. Then back to Patpong King's Garden to have a last few beers before heading in for the night. My buddies complained that they needed a break from shopping and sex (they had gone for a massage in the afternoon), so I took a 27 year old out of King's Garden (B500 bar fine and B1,500 short time). This gal was good enough to tell me that she had a young son and that she needed to get home to him, so that she only does short time. So we all hop in a taxi back to the hotel and the gal and I have some fun. She liked having her tits squeezed really hard which was interesting. But, and there is always a but, after about 30 minutes of playing around she starts asking,"Are you finish? Can you finish--I need to go home to take care of my baby?". So we finish up, I pay and off she goes. This "I need to go" stuff is really starting to get to me, although I know that I shouldn't complain too much since long time is pretty much hit and miss and, besides, I had to get up early to shove my mother and niece on a flight to Chiang Mai in the morning

Bright and early on Sunday morning at 715am, I trip over to my Mom's hotel (you really didn't think that I would put her up in the same hotel as I, did you?) to chuck her in a taxi to the airport. Taxi. Airport. Meter. Expressway. B60 in tolls. Go. I, of course, stumble back to my hotel, have a beer and go back to sleep! I call one of my Thai friends who had been busy in the week and he says to go to a sauna. So I join him at Mirage Entertainment and pick out a 22 year old ("student" she says) for B1,900. There were three prices in the fishbowl: B1,900, B2,100 and B2,500. I think the sideline was about B2,800 and up, but do not really remember. We arrived at Mirage at about 630pm and the selection was not that good. I was told that the best time is about 4pm to 5pm. As we were leaving at about 8pm, the fishbowl had filled up (evidently with gals that had finished with their earlier customers) and there were about 75 gals on sideline. Anyway, my Hong Kong buddies joined us next door at the Emerald Hotel for the buffet dinner. While the food is not spectacular, it really is not too bad--for B300 (yes, B300) we thought it was a bargain.

After dinner, we headed back to Nana for to have a quick look around, but my Hong Kong buddies had fallen into lust at Kings Castle 1, so off to Patpong we go. One guy picks out Miss Small Tits again, while the other guy eventually picks out No. 9, also 26 years old, kinda cute with a few curves. Me? I was a bit tired out from Mirage and did not see anything interesting, although I tried to steal No. 9 from my friend! We stop in at Crystal Palace at about 115am and get in for last call for alcohol. The lights were coming up when we went in, but the wait staff was happy to provide "one last drink". Then back to the hotel.

The next day (Monday), my buddy who had fallen in love with Miss Small Tits' blow jobs looked like he just had his cherry popped, while the other guy said that No. 9 was ok, but she had to go home at 5am. Miss Small Tits said that No. 9 would join us later (yeah, right). We go off to lunch with Miss Small Tits. (No. 9 calls during lunch to cancel her reappearance.) After lunch my buddies and Miss Small Tits go shopping, where my buddy buys her about B1,500 worth of cosmetics. Miss Small Tits eventually heads home to change her clothes and makeup, agreeing to meet my buddies at 6pm. Back at the hotel, yours truly is taking a nap. Let me tell you, getting old isn't easy.

We all meet in the lobby at 7pm and head off to Chinatown for dinner. We end up at Nam Sing Restaurant on Phadungkhao Road on the advice of my two Hong Kong buddies (evidently the restaurant is popular with Hong Kong tourists). The food was ok, not spectacular with the bill coming to B2,240 for the four of us with no drinks (crab, prawns, fish, vegetables and maybe one other dish.) I actually like "T Restaurant" on Rajprarob Road better--my family has been going to T for over 20 years and T's seafood has been consistently good. After dinner, I want to go to Jim Thompson to buy some Thai silk shirts and ties since I need to go back to Bangkok to negotiate some things and wearing suits in Bangkok just really sucks. My old Thai friends had reminded me on this trip that a nice Thai silk shirt with dark slacks was an acceptable equivalent to a coat and tie, depending on the occasion. But, it is 930pm and Jim Thompson closes at 9pm, so we head off to--where else--King's Castle 1 so that Miss Small Tits can show off her new cosmetics to her girlfriends, which she did with in your face flair...kind of neat really. Before entering King's Castle, my buddy and Miss Small Tits go through the main Patpong street market (Silom's stalls are closed because it was Monday) and I plop down on a stool at Muzzik Cafe (facing Patpong) for a beer. While waiting for my buddies, King's Castle 1's No. 2 (from Friday night) walks by with her dinner. She stops for a few seconds to say "hi" and remind me to visit King's Castle! Ok, ok, she actually looks not bad outside of the bar and without my beer goggles--my lust has arisen. My buddies come back from shopping (only a few hundred baht) and we go off to King's Castle 1. Eventually, No. 2 comes over and I just can't resist her CFM looks and barfine her out (agreeing to B3,000 long time to 6am--remember she lives with her parents and left my friend at 5am). The boys eventually get hungry (again) so we go off to King's Garden where I sit with the gals while the boys go get something to eat. While the boys were gone, Miss Small Tits gave a ten minute description to No. 2 of what she had done over the last two days, with the effect that No. 2's eyes were all starry eyed, although I think the starry eyes were from thinking on how to withdraw cash from these three walking ATM's rather than true love.

No. 2 is cute with a nice figure, and we do the shower thing, the drink water thing and then I start fingering her. She complains about my fingernails (which I religiously trim so that I do not have to encounter these complaints), so I stop. I start DATY. After DATY for a few minutes, she wraps her legs around my ears and starts humping my face, but then she stops and says that it hurts because of my stubble (which is not very much as 1/ I'm asian and lack a whole lot of facial hair and 2/ I shave before I go out in the evening so as to avoid these complaints). I decide that the last thing I need is a 22 year old complaining all night, so I ask her to leave. (Hells bells, if I wanted to listen to women complain all night, I would have stayed married.) I give her B2,000 (yeah, I know, too much, but I was paying her to leave, not for services rendered) and showed her the door.

The boys head back to Hong Kong in the morning. In the end, Miss Small Tits was a semi-GFE for my friend, but she kinda screwed it up when she was leaving by asking for an additional B6,000 as a companion for two days (B3,000 per day in addition to the original B3,000 long time. Total B9,000 for three days). Yeah, I know, I know, always agree to the price before hand, but we did not do that and paid the price.

I am left to my own devices for the day (Tuesday). I have a business lunch set up and an afternoon meeting, after which I catch up on paperwork in the hotel. At about 730pm, I decide to head back to Jim Thompson to get those shirts and ties that I wanted. I selected one gold shirt and one silver shirt, after the kind sales ladies said that pink shirts were for poofters (I happen to like pink shirts). The sales ladies were very helpful although they declined my repeated offers of marriage; one of the ladies saying that she is already married and the other one just kept on giggling. After Jim Thompson, I stopped in at King's Garden to have a beer and tell the manager and mama that it was my last night in Bangkok, but that I would be back in about 45 days. Mama reminded me to bring her some perfume, which I always do.

I then headed over to Nana to look up the sweet looking 20-something that whose phone number I had collected back on Saturday night. I find her (Gee) in the Nana parking lot and we go across the street for a few drinks and a Big Mango hamburger. Earlier, via SMS, Gee had told me B2,500 long time, but when I told her that I wanted to take her long time, she said that: 1) she had to check with her sister, who she said was "tall and very pretty" and 2) she had never gone long time before since she had only been working for three months. Well, I was ok with both of those, so we go looking for her sister who was testing fragrances by the police booth at the corner of Nana and Suk. We all walk back to the Nana parking lot and after about two minutes the older sister gives me her blessing to go with Gee for B2,500 long time. (BTW--I did not think that the older sister was very pretty.) Anyway, Gee turned out to be really great.

We stopped in at 7-11 for some softdrinks and snacks, and then headed up to my room. Totally unrushed, Gee made for a wonderful experience. I fingered her and DATY to make her come a few times, and then she made sure that I came. I think that her perfect tits help a lot in my evaluation. I hope to see her again before she becomes too jaded about the whole Nana parking lot thing. Boom boom again in the morning and then off to the airport for the flight to Hong Kong.

All in all, better experiences than my last few rushed trips to Bangkok. Gee from Nana parking lot and the Mirage Entertainment "student" were keepers. Miss Small Tits is pleasant company, while the others I would toss back. We probably spent too much time in King's Castle, but I was pretty much on a business trip shepharding my buddies so I didn't mind. I'll probably hit other areas the next time over, although my next trip looks like its going to be a standard 48 hour business stop during the week of Sept 18. Bummer. Other places in Pat Pong that we stopped included Kings Castle 2 (gals not as good looking as KC 1), Camelot (part of Kings group, gals not as good looking as KC 2, we started to see a trend...). In Nana, we stopped for beer at Rainbow 2 and Rainbow 4 but didn't see anything for us, and we also had a quiet beer at Lucky Luke's (about 10pm or so) to watch the traffic go in and out of Nana.

The biggest change over the last five years that I have noticed is that Bangkok is becoming somewhat expensive, say relative to China. It used to be that three days in Bangkok (beer, hotel and air fare) would cost less than one night out in Hong Kong; however, Bangkok is still a fun place and the procedures with the Boys in Brown are a little more straightforward than the Gong An.

Sad to say, we didn't make it to Livingstone's! Sorry, Giotto! Next time!

Happy mongering,
BD

Hi Guys

I will be in Thailand from Dec 26 to Jan 13.

Im trying to plan my stay between BKK and Patong beach & Krabi.

Where do you think i would have more fun over new years?

I'm a 30 year old guy looking for as much hot female fun as possible during my stay.

Is there anything exciting on in either of these areas during new years?

My plan would be to hook up with a hottie a night before and enjoy new years with her BUT do you think Patong or Krabi (by the beach) with a hottie would be best or is BKK more fun over new years?

Cheers

Hello,

Where are some places in Bangkok to find freelancers during the early morning hours (7am - 10am)? The massage shops, beer garden are closed and Suk 7/1 is desolate.

[QUOTE=Fer Sure]Hey,

We can't all do the Eden Club every night while staying at a 5 star. Where's the report "mongering bkk on a budget." From hotels (1k bt); MPs; travel, etc. I know I wouldn't be the only person who would get alot out of this. I want to get the most out of the trip: example, go cheap on hotel and stay out? Or better hotel but less expensive visitors (nah)? And if you're going to have one splurge experience (US$100), what would it be? My trip is scheduled for November.

Thank you.

Fersure[/QUOTE]Hey,

I don't check in often, so hope you check back. See my post from 8-31 for a decent budget experience. .. and why are you staying at a 5-star?

Grab one of those package deals someplace. You can get an 8-day BKK trip with airfare for under $900 (this was from a place called Gate 1 travel)

Visited Bangkok a while back and thought I’d share my experience. I had used this board quite a bit before going but in spite of that, I can’t say that everything went well. In fact, it started off in a bad way but thank goodness, it got better. I should say that I don’t care for bars so I tried to arrange dates as much as possible via email before leaving. If I didn’t have dates, I had a good idea of who I wanted to see after visiting so many websites while I did my research.

I arrived late so I had made arrangements ahead of time to have a girl meet me at my hotel near the airport. I booked a girl by the name of Tara from a local agency by the name of Admiral Bangkok. You can find her pics on their website which, if I understand the rules of the board, I gather I cannot post the address here. I had a confirmation via email that she would be at my hotel when I arrived. Well, you guessed right. She didn’t show. I waited in my hotel room thinking that she would call when she arrived. About one hour after I got there, the agency called and said she was on her way. I waited and waited but she didn’t show so I called the agency and they told me she got hurt in an accident. Yeah, right! I will avoid using this agency on my next trip!

It was my first night and I wanted something so I called the hotel’s massage service. This unremarkable girl showed up, no English, and she gave me a massage that hurt. She was not what I like and by this time, it was the middle of the night and after about one hour of this, I sent her off, 500 Baht poorer and decided to try again the next night.

I did some touring the next day and came back to the hotel in the afternoon, took a nap and then decided to call Angels Bangok agency. I was told the girl I wanted couldn’t speak English so it was suggested that I try another one so I agreed to take a girl called New. I had seen her photos on their website so I thought this would be a fun night. I was wrong again. New showed up and sure enough, she looked quite nice, a hot little number. Sure enough I got laid this time but it didn’t take long for her to cool down. She wouldn’t kiss or give me a blow job because of some problem she said she had with her teeth. I think she said she had visited the dentist and was sore so this quickly became a turnoff for me. I sent her home even though I had paid her 7000 Baht for 24 hours. Later, I spoke to the manager who told me that she had had problems with her before and I should have phoned her when I was having trouble with her. My mistake but I did not want to phone her in the middle of the night. Another lesson learned. Based on my experience and the manager’s story, I think New should be avoided.

Later, I moved to a downtown hotel and had better luck. Even though I said I don’t do bars very often, I made friends with a Thai guy. We had quite a few drinks and eventually found our way to Soi Cowboy. I walked around there and went in and out a few bars and I found a little honey that caught my eye. Her name was Ma and she was happy to come back to the hotel with me. I really don’t remember much of this night but I know that she looked pretty nice to me. We got along ok for the first day or so. I took her shopping and got some nice lingerie which she gladly wore for me but after the second day, she told me her pussy was sore and she preferred to give me hand jobs so I sent her packing. Cost me 10,000 Baht for three days. Bottom line, she looked pretty good to me and was a good fuck when she was willing. Maybe she’s better for a short time. You can find her in a bar called Dolls.

I had checked a lot of websites before coming so I decided to try Angels Massage. I got a girl called Olive. Her photo on their website made her look like she had real big tits. They were big enough for me but not as big as they look on the photo. She is a real talker and gave me a decent massage and a good fuck. Can’t even remember how much I paid her but it was about 3000 baht.

My time was running out. By now, it was my last night but there were at least 2 other girls I wanted to get together with. One was Say who works through Queen’s Massage and the other was Spy from Bangkok Teen. I had been trying to connect with Spy for a couple of days without success but I finally got hold of her and she agreed to come to my hotel. I’ve read some good and bad reports on this board about Teen Massage but I have no complaints with Spy. I would say she was probably the best time I had in Bangkok. She’s a real friendly girl, not great English but she makes up for it with her attitude. I had a lot of fun with her and I will surely see her again when I come back if she's still there! Cost was about 3500 baht for a couple of hours.

After she left, I called Say who agreed to come by later in the evening. I took a nap and got ready for her. Her photo on the website (which seems to be not working anymore) made her look very nice but when she showed up, I was disappointed. Her figure was not as nice as I thought it was from her photo. I thought of sending her home but decided to go for it anyway and I’m glad I did. She gave a great blowjob but couldn’t get me off because I had just finished with Spy not long before. Still, she did not give up. She did not want to quit before I was happy and sure enough, she made me come on her tits. Don’t think I would call her again but she’s very willing to please.

Couple of photos I took will be posted in the photo section to accompany this report. Photos of the girls from the escort services can be found on their websites. Will post more later in the China section. Same story there. A girl I arranged to see in Beijing didn’t show but that’s another story.

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]

[QUOTE=2Cool]Hello,

Where are some places in Bangkok to find freelancers during the early morning hours (7am - 10am)? The massage shops, beer garden are closed and Suk 7/1 is desolate.[/QUOTE]

I met a couple of cuties in the 24hr internet cafes. Coffee shops, hotel lobby, etc. Anything that would be open at that time of the morning, where the girls would end up. They may be checking their e-mail or hungry before they head home. Some could have left early from a LT stay with another hobbyist.

Another option is Sabai Sabai massage near the Ambassador, which is a 24/7 massage place w/ take out options. Be creative and you will find them. By the way, one of your prior posts says that you have been living in BKK for about a year. I can't believe you have not figured out any options in that time span.

AT2

Actually I have found some freelancers during the early morning but there are very very few.

I did not know that Sabai Sabai massage near the Ambassador was a 24/7 massage shop, thanks for the info.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]I met a couple of cuties in the 24hr internet cafes. Coffee shops, hotel lobby, etc. Anything that would be open at that time of the morning, where the girls would end up. They may be checking their e-mail or hungry before they head home. Some could have left early from a LT stay with another hobbyist.

Another option is Sabai Sabai massage near the Ambassador, which is a 24/7 massage place w/ take out options. Be creative and you will find them. By the way, one of your prior posts says that you have been living in BKK for about a year. I can't believe you have not figured out any options in that time span.

AT2[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fer Sure]Hey,

We can't all do the Eden Club every night while staying at a 5 star. Where's the report "mongering bkk on a budget." From hotels (1k bt); MPs; travel, etc. I know I wouldn't be the only person who would get alot out of this. I want to get the most out of the trip: example, go cheap on hotel and stay out? Or better hotel but less expensive visitors (nah)? And if you're going to have one splurge experience (US$100), what would it be? My trip is scheduled for November.

Thank you.

Fersure[/QUOTE]

Hmm, difficult.
Don't know about your daily budget you can spend (why not to tell us).

If you prefer Eden or massage/soapies, then you should stay in a cheap hotel and invest the money in the girls, as you don't bring them to your ceap hotel.

Generally I would give the girls spending (= quality) a priority, as this is why you are coming for. But your accomondation should not be too chep as this lets also drop the girls willing to perform.

So unfortunately somehow the hotel quality goes with the girls quality/ performance at the end, which does not mean that there are no exceptions.

A good compromise is Livingstone's in my opinion. I spent there 3000 Baht for a supperior room with Jacuzzi (don't know if this may be way above your budget, but it is much below a 5-Star) with all taxes.

For girls it replaces somehow a 5-star environment, given the facilities you may use' (but I don't compare Livingstones with 5-Star, not that somebody missunderstand), as the Jacuzzi is a real turn on for many girls, which 'offsets' many 5-star facilities, so to say. The whole Livingstone's environment can't be categorized into stars in my opinion. And with your 1 time LT pick up you don't really need and use the 5-star qualifier like gym, indoor pool, 5-star restaurants etc., as the 'walk of shame' is painfull enough.

Even on business without P4P play where I am usually booked in such 5-star Hotels, I rather 'underutilize' the 5-star facilities offered, due to mostly workload, conferences etc.

The other alternative would be simply to go to Pattaya instead of Bangkok. I have not been there, but hotel as well girls are both lower in cost according to the reports.

regards and enjoy (and don't forget to report about your decision)
Brain666

Just a general question for the learned members of the forum. I am planning a trip to Bangkok in mid-October and I have read quite a number of reports that the new airport will be opening in late September.

Has anyone in Bangkok heard what the latest reports are as to whether the new airport will definately be open on the 28th of September and does anyone have a link to the official website to the new airport. The offical website for the Airports of Thailand Public Company Limited does not have any information about the new airport (yet) [url]http://www.airportthai.co.th[/url]

To date all I can find are lots of unofficial sites such as:

[url]http://www.bangkokairportonline.com[/url]

Thanks

LA

I "have" to stay at Kao San next month (travelling with freinds, who want to stay there). I am pretty relaxed about it - but: it is so far away from sukhumvit or silom...
Can anyone help me and recommend a MP or something like it in the area of kao san - or maybe china town?

Thank you!

[QUOTE=Higgins T]I "have" to stay at Kao San.... it is so far away from sukhumvit or silom...[/QUOTE]

I don't believe there is any MP's in the Khao San Road area. Unless you have very little free time, it is worth it to take a cab to Sukhumvit. It is a bit of a ride, but not that far away.

nocbj4me

[QUOTE=Higgins T]I "have" to stay at Kao San next month (travelling with freinds, who want to stay there). I am pretty relaxed about it - but: it is so far away from sukhumvit or silom...
Can anyone help me and recommend a MP or something like it in the area of kao san - or maybe china town?

Thank you![/QUOTE]

Kao San area is cater to backpackers with their girlfriends so wont find any MPs there.
Chinatown --there is one MP called Texas massage, but hard to find as its in a small side street off the main Rd. I had hard time finding it until I went inside a major hotel in C.town and asked--seems they all know this place.
Note: C.town is not that close to Kao San RD, so need to take taxi.

PT

Latest news in the states Aviation News is that it is still set to open at the end of this month. Recently they ran the US Military throught the airport as a trial run which was claimed as a success!

LBM

I am looking for places in Bangkok that stay open very late. They could be bars or discos. There should be some P4P girls there, but I do not have to score, and do not have to take them home, as long as I can talk to them. Hopefully it will not be very expensive. Any suggestions? Please let me know how late they stay open, and which days.

I was transiting through BKK last month. Thanks to ideas from some of the fellow mongers, I was clear on the plan. During the previous shorter transit time, I had made quick note of the location for Visa on Arrival and also exchanged some THB and kept them ready. The baggage was checked in to the final destination and Boarding pass for the next leg of the journey was already availed (So that I do not have the headache of checking in at BKK again). Plane landed at 14. 30 and connecting flight was at 21. 00. I had 6 and half hours.

Straight away headed to Visa on Arrival counter. The form was simple. (Had kept the Photo and 1000 THB Visa fees handy). The process was fast and I was heading towards the Taxi stand by 14. 55.

It was difficult for me to decide where to go. Since based on the various forum reports, the options are plenty. But I had decided, Eden Club would be the place to go. (It was a good decision after all.)

Went to the Taxi counter and said Sukumvit- near Nana Skystation. Was told to pay 350THB including Highway Toll. The traffic was smooth. Around 15. 30, there was a slight jam and the Taxi was not moving. I asked him how far? He told 0. 5 kms. I got down and started walking.

Suddenly I felt hungry. I did not want to screw around with empty stomach. Went into a restaurant had a beer and quick bite and started walking down the Suk Road. I had the address in my hand and it was not difficult to locate Eden Club. 16. 05 hrs I was entering eden.

While entering, I saw 5-6 girls outside the main door. I went staright in. The mamamsan asked me first time? I said yes and she gave me the Menu card. The Menu Card was exactly the same as the one I saw on the Net (1800 THB per girl). There were 6 girls inside. I ordered for a beer and scouted around. Decided to take a slightly plump girl (6/10 on looks) and showed her to mamasan. This girl came and sat beside me a said her name was Pim. I asked her to slect her partner. She called one more girl (5/10 on looks but better figure). Her name was Pen. So Pim and Pen took me through the back door to a elevator and into a room in the 4th Floor. (16. 15 hrs).

16. 15 hrs to 17. 45 hrs was a mind blowing experience. It was the first time for me with 2 girls and both of them were very good and accomodating. Pim was more friendly and GFE and Pen was more aggressive. All were tried out BBBJ, DATY, Doggy etc. They were also offering Anal but I am not into it. Pim gave me the best BBBJ I ever had. First time I came during her BBBJ.

Then both of them gave me a good massage. 2nd time I came inside Pim in missionary after a lengthy doggy on Pen (Condoms changed of course). They also put up a lesbo show with Pen, Dildo strapped around her waist was screwing Pim. After lying down for a few minutes and watching a XXX movie on TV, Pen started teasing me and got me excited. I screwed her in 2-3 positions while Pim was moving the vibrator around my ass. I came for the 3rd time. Whew:)

Of course there was also the ritual of taking bath after every pop. Overall good and "Will take care of you" attitude.

17. 45hrs, totally satisfied, I gave them 500 THB each as tips which they gracefully accepted with folded hands. Went down to the counter and paid the fees.

Did some window shopping in the Sukumvit road for 30 minutes, caught a Taxi and went back straight to the Airport. Reached Airport by 19. 00 hrs. (a Cool 2 hours ahead of departure time). Immigration took 15 minutes and There I was waiting at the Departure gate 1hr 45 min ahead of departure time. Totally drained.

Total Damage: 1000B Visa Fees + 570B (Taxi. Could have been lesser)+3600B (Eden)+ 1000B (Tips) + 500B (BKK Airport Exit Charges) = 6670THB (Worth every penny! )

Overall one of the most exciting time I had. Time constraint added to the excitement. I was afraid of BKK traffic which was pretty cool. I was expecting worse.

Thanks again to the forum for preparing myself.

Transit fun is possible!

Purple

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Best place: Nana parking lot, 7 days/nights a week - imho[/QUOTE]

While the Nana Parking lot is probably the most common venue for freelancers, Just keep a sharp eye out for adam's apples. If you are uncomfortable in your own ability to spot a katoey, this is not the place to try your skills.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Latest news in the states Aviation News is that it is still set to open at the end of this month. Recently they ran the US Military throught the airport as a trial run which was claimed as a success! LBM[/QUOTE]

Several of the major airline sites that I've seen have indicated that they will be beginning operations out of the new Airport during the week before Sept 28th. For example, Bangkok Air is beginning Suvarnabhumi operations on Sept 21, and Air Asia is beginning them on Sept. 25th, Nok Air on Sept. 27th.

It's actually really happenning in late September. I am glad, as I'm coming in on Nov. 28th, which gives them a couple of months of actual operations to get the bugs out of the works.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]I don't disagree with your comment - I was just giving him a brief suggestion on what is open late. Any other recommendations from you - on places to go? ;)[/QUOTE]

No, I am not particularly knowledgeable about other venues open after 2 AM. I merely was informing the poster of the main caveat associated with the Nana car park. I personally am comfortable with my ability to discern a katoey, so I don't mind that particular venue. You'll have to find another topic to instigate an argument.

[QUOTE=Henry R]I am looking for places in Bangkok that stay open very late. They could be bars or discos. There should be some P4P girls there, but I do not have to score, and do not have to take them home, as long as I can talk to them. Hopefully it will not be very expensive. Any suggestions? Please let me know how late they stay open, and which days.[/QUOTE]Henry R,

I heard about a relatively new place which opens late late ... . It is close to Biergarten Soi 7.

There is a small road that connects Soi 7 with Soi 5 directly next to Biergarten. Half way of it is a new venue, where girls are dancing on the pool tables late night. If you are coming from Biergarten it is on the right hand side of that small soi.

I got this info from a few customers now, I will go check it out and deliver some details as soon as I have time for that.


Giotto

Right,but it's more of a walkway. The connection that is more of a paved car-width has the Amari on the right side. Instead look for the very small and low walkway. This place is a bit closer to Soi 5 than 7.

SB

[QUOTE=Giotto]Henry R,

I heard about a relatively new place which opens late late ... . It is close to Biergarten Soi 7.

There is a small road that connects Soi 7 with Soi 5 directly next to Biergarten. Half way of it is a new venue, where girls are dancing on the pool tables late night. If you are coming from Biergarten it is on the right hand side of that small soi.

I got this info from a few customers now, I will go check it out and deliver some details as soon as I have time for that.


Giotto[/QUOTE]

Hi Folks,

I'm coming to BKK over the coming weekend and as I have a real fetish for (super) huge boobs, could anyone advise where to find some ?

All sources would be fine - escort, AV models, bar girls, gogo girls etc.

Million thanks for any help or input,

XOXO

Baliman

[QUOTE=Baliman3]Hi Folks,

I'm coming to BKK over the coming weekend and as I have a real fetish for (super) huge boobs, could anyone advise where to find some ?

All sources would be fine - escort, AV models, bar girls, gogo girls etc.

Million thanks for any help or input,

XOXO

Baliman[/QUOTE]
Try the old folks home on Soi 78. I am sure there are a few with them BOOBS hanging down to the floor. Joking aside, who told you Thai girls have any boobs.

[QUOTE=Purple 2006]I was transiting through BKK last month. Thanks to ideas from some of the fellow mongers, I was clear on the plan.

It was difficult for me to decide where to go. Since based on the various forum reports, the options are plenty. But I had decided, Eden Club would be the place to go. (It was a good decision after all.)

Went to the Taxi counter and said Sukumvit- near Nana Skystation. Was told to pay 350THB including Highway Toll. The traffic was smooth. Around 15. 30, there was a slight jam and the Taxi was not moving. I asked him how far? He told 0. 5 kms. I got down and started walking.

16. 15 hrs to 17. 45 hrs was a mind blowing experience. It was the first time for me with 2 girls and both of them were very good and accomodating.

Did some window shopping in the Sukumvit road for 30 minutes, caught a Taxi and went back straight to the Airport. Reached Airport by 19. 00 hrs. (a Cool 2 hours ahead of departure time). Immigration took 15 minutes and There I was waiting at the Departure gate 1hr 45 min ahead of departure time. Totally drained.

Overall one of the most exciting time I had. Time constraint added to the excitement. I was afraid of BKK traffic which was pretty cool. I was expecting worse.

Thanks again to the forum for preparing myself.

Transit fun is possible!

Purple[/QUOTE]

Purple,

Contratulations for the feat! With 30 minutes to window shop to boot! Smart decision to walk the last leg, once you hit the gridlock. That alone may have saved you 30 minutes. That last stretch is brutal.

If you think that was exciting, you really need to spend at least a week in LOS. You will never be the same again! lol!

Nice to hear a happy ending to the story!

AT2

[QUOTE=Baliman3]Hi Folks,

I'm coming to BKK over the coming weekend and as I have a real fetish for (super) huge boobs, could anyone advise where to find some ?

All sources would be fine - escort, AV models, bar girls, gogo girls etc.

Million thanks for any help or input,

XOXO

Baliman[/QUOTE]Dude,

If you want big boobs - try somewhere else such as Africa, cos they don't grow so well in these neck of the woods

Schlonger

[QUOTE=Higgins T]I "have" to stay at Kao San next month (travelling with freinds, who want to stay there). I am pretty relaxed about it - but: it is so far away from sukhumvit or silom.

Can anyone help me and recommend a MP or something like it in the area of kao san - or maybe china town?

Thank you![/QUOTE]Phantomtiger 2 and NoCBJ4me: Thank you very much for your answers! In case I should find a MP in the area, I'll report here.

[QUOTE=Lance Alot]Just a general question for the learned members of the forum. I am planning a trip to Bangkok in mid-October and I have read quite a number of reports that the new airport will be opening in late September. <...>[/QUOTE]
Your guess is as good as mine - this is Thailand, afterall. I'll let you know fight after Oct. 1, when I fly to Australia for a couple of weeks.

Cheers,
-Y

[QUOTE=SB Lumens]Right,but it's more of a walkway. The connection that is more of a paved car-width has the Amari on the right side. Instead look for the very small and low walkway. This place is a bit closer to Soi 5 than 7.

SB[/QUOTE]On the soi 5 side above the entrance it says "The Tunnel" or some such. I saw but did not enter the bar, which is indeed somewhat closer to soi 5. Big brown wooden doors, I think, there's only one.

A few days ago I got a big big smile from a cutie sitting in the tunnel eating with a friend (there are a few food stalls in there too). Sat down for a chat, turns out she was an off-duty gogo dancer from Mandarin. She wanted to go with me, 1000 baht. Very cute, great price, no bar fine, so I accepted.

All was great, except that her period started mid-BJ. She freaked out and started crying, saying I didn't have to pay her (I did pay, she had been there awhile), and left right away. Too bad, she was totally adorable.

RX

[QUOTE=Lance Alot]
Has anyone in Bangkok heard what the latest reports are as to whether the new airport will definately be open on the 28th of September and does anyone have a link to the official website to the new airport. The offical website for the Airports of Thailand Public Company Limited does not have any information about the new airport (yet) [url]http://www.airportthai.co.th[/url]

LA[/QUOTE]I have an update.

1. I just checked the official website again [url]http://www.airportthai.co.th[/url] and they have added the new airport information. Airport name is Suvarnabhhumi. The website for the airport is not the best but it does contain some downloadable pdf files which show the airport layout.

2. I have also seen advertising on cable TV this week, from the Thai Airports Company saying that the new airport will be open for business as of the 28th September.

L.A.

The Wolf is in town.
Following some recent recommendations and posts, I decided the other day to give Eden a try and, believe me, I do not regret it.

Arrived in late evening. Entered the place. Found a kind of busy bar where patrons are back to the counter, sipping their drinks and looking at the girls who stay against the opposit wall, waiting to be called for a drinked or for more, sometimes both.
Was greeted by the manager, Marc, who explained me the whole mechanic of the place.
The point here is clearly stated : do not lose time going one on one; get the double straight away. This place is for double and they deliver what they promise.
So you look carefully at all girls in front of you (depending the hour they go from a dozen to more than 30). on the left side, the 3 holers. On the right side, the 2 holers. in the middle a yellow line to divide the wall.
On the menu (on the counter), it is explain that girls are clean, checked, experienmted and provide the full experience you look for.
Just select on and ask her to select her pair.
If you are for the thing (I am not) they will give you the lesbian show of your life, will all you dream of, including the toys, the penetration, the tongue job, the kisses, etc and will ask you to participate.
If you are more caring for care on you (I am), thoses girls will pamper you likle no others.
I really liked what we did and this included absolutely everything (4 pops) within 90mn. I enjoyed both the job performed as well as the company of the 2 girls who where really very friendly ... and more experienced than I was myself...
Training was perfectly perform. Well done Marc if you did it yourself (and in such case, man, I envy your job...).

Place is on Sukhumvit, Soi 7/1.
Carefull here as I looked for i during about 45mn. Soi 7/1 is not Soi 7. It is the one immediately after, between Soi 7 and Soi 9. You'll find Eden easily in in the middle of the way, after a love hotel and before the noisy bars.

I had Nok and Mo and recommend them but I assume all pairs are enjoyable as well.

Enjoy and post.

The Wolf

Hi guys

Can anyone suggest a place in Bangkok where a guy can go to have his pubic area groomed? I enjoy the hobby more when the hair is removed.

Egg

[QUOTE=Eggsalad]Hi guys
Can anyone suggest a place in Bangkok where a guy can go to have his pubic area groomed? I enjoy the hobby more when the hair is removed.Egg[/QUOTE]
I believe most hotels above 1* shithole student slums on Khao sarn, have bathrooms in every room.

The other night I came out of the Nana Hotel around 8:30 and came across one of the more incongruous sights I have seen in a while - right in the middle of the parking lot were three tables all set for fine dining and in fact around one table were some five customers. Sadly this intrusion of dining was keeping all the girls away - but fortunately this scene has not been repeated the last few nights but it got me to wondering who came up with this classy and romantic notion - see the stars and watch the Ladyboys across the street in the lovely humid Bangkok heat as you dine on fine cuisine in the elegant surroundings of the Nana Parking lot. Be sure to bring a date and book a table.

Sometimes you can't win. Have been with one girl a few times and our sessions have always been full of a near shocking amount of passion that has taken me aback at times - perhaps faux on her part but beautifully performed - so I was surprised the other evening when she suggested that I take her friend also who hasn't had much business of late and needed to pay a few bills. Really I asked her? Sure why not - I always thought these girls protected their finds like rabid dogs but here she was pushing me to go with the both of them - the friend wasn't great looking but I thought it might still be fun. And in fact it was great fun but I made the mistake of cumming while in the friend. So last night when I took my friend again - and no offer this time of taking her friend again - all I hear all night is that I came with the friend and not her. "You no like me?" "Of course I do" "Then why you come with friend and not me?" - "You like my breasts" "Hmmm" as I passed judgement on each with a tasty lick - "then why you come with my friend?". A lesson learned - cum with the girl you came to the party with.

[QUOTE=DRRonin]...A lesson learned - cum with the girl you came to the party with....[/QUOTE] Or share it between them :D or even better, let them share it between them :D

[QUOTE=Wolf]The Wolf is in town.
Following some recent recommendations and posts, I decided the other day to give Eden a try and, believe me, I do not regret it.

[/QUOTE]

Good report, Wolf. It mirrors my many experiences with Eden ladies. I've never been disappointed.

You were lucky to find that particular pair still available late in the evening. Their services are much in demand. But as you state, the service is equally good with whatever Eden ladies you choose. Six more weeks and I'll be able to enjoy those services yet again.

Evil

I thought Marc had sold Eden and moved on. Is it really the same Marc who started Eden? I was there years ago and enjoyed my time there.

Cactus J

dynasty grande is a wonderful hotel. this is the same dynasty group that had the hotel across from nana and in pattaya. the hotel across from nana is being rebuilt from the ground up. the dynasty grande is their upscale hotel. it is located between soi 4 and soi 6 next to the sofitel. it has a nice lobby, very nice rooms with free internet, good restaurant and a wonderfully friendly staff. the only downside is that they change an extra 500 baht for if you bring more than 1 girl back to the room.

rainyyyyyyyy – hotttttt. i usually know better than to go in september but it was either don’t go (forget that!) or wait till next year. for those who have not been to los during the rainy season (especially those of use who aren’t 20 anymore), it gets to be around 90 degree but the humidity stays around 100% rain or shine. all the farang walk around with absolutely soaked shirts.

since this was going to be a short trip merged with work i decided to stay put in bangkok and stay away from any commitments. i usually try to get some lt in but i didn’t want to cramp my style.

day 1
arrived at don muong at 10am and grabbed a cab to the hotel. bye bye dm. you have been a wonderful host. i hear the new airport opens next week. i was ready to get going so i went to annies and saw a beautiful (rare) and sweet looking girl. she had short cropped hair and an infectious smile name mey. for those of you who haven’t visited annies here is the deal. for a single girl it is 1500 baht for 2 hours and the girl expects a 500 baht tip. the girl brings a basket of soaps and lotions in the room, fills up the tup and adds lots of suds. you get in the tub, she washes every nook and cranny and then rewashes you using her body as a wash cloth. the girls in pattaya are frankly much better at this but - there is nothing wrong with the girls here. then rinse off crotch, slip her body under yours to raise you up and then a bbbj to completion. this girl was quite talented. then, may did a massage that was actually quite good. as she was completing the massage she asks if i want a second session, duh and off we go again with daty and a couple positions. this is a stressless way to start the trip.

i went back to the hotel to catch up on sleep and then around 9pm started with nep. nep goes up and down. i have to say that it is at an all time low in my book. maybe it was low season but the bars were often empty, the girls bored and listless and frankly not that attractive. i ended up at the mandarin bar which has changed owners and names a dozen times over the years. i met one of the owners from australia i think who was quite nice. i picked a girl, ae, and barfined her for 600 baht and agreed to 1500 s/t. the one thing i did not like about the bar was that the waitresses were very aggressive getting you to buy them drinks. i love to buy girls and hostesses drinks but hate it when pushed. ae was kind of drunk which i decided to take advantage of. we had a bit to eat, then i gave her a couple more beers. we had a very sexual encounter and she was off.

day 2
i decided to indulge in a quick bj at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s before going off to my meetings. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is around the corner from nep on soi 8. the deal is that when you walk in, all the girls follow you in and crowd around you till you pick one. you take the girl and your beer upstairs where they have a couches with lots of curtains separating the areas. you smoke a cigarette or suck on your beer while you get a very proficient bbbj. this is simply a mindless way to get your rocks off but only costs 800 baht plus 100 baht tip.

i was gonna go to eden during the day but my meetings ran long. eden is simply a kinky experience with 2 not so good looking girls who will do “anything” and i mean “anything” you want.

instead i rested and then headed over to soi cowboy. soi cowboy is the poor cousin to nep. the girls weren’t as hot as nana or pattpong but they had much better shows. a number of bars were nude and in one small bar the girls came around you and played with you while another girl danced with her crotch inches from your face. after a couple hours of going to every bar i didn’t see a single girl i was interested in so i went back to nep to see what the nana plaza parking lot situation was like. frankly it was ½ its usual insanity. the place was 50% lady boys. for those of you who have no experience, ladyboys are often prettier and hotter than any girl you have ever seen. katoeys, as the locals call them, usually can be distinguished by a bigger adams apple, bigger breasts, bigger wrists and arms, lower voice which they try to mask and by overdone makeup or butt swinging walk. i want to tell you though, even the most experienced punter gets it wrong. the girls i ended up with told me that the lady-boys are making the nep parking lot a bad place to pick up guys cause they are scared to make a mistake. i think the girls are right.

speaking of girls, at around 3 am i was stopped by 2 absolutely beautiful girls. they were from soi cowboy and didn’t get barfined. they offered 1k each short time and off to the hotel we went. well, they made up for missing eden. bbbj back and forth, daty back and forth while they played with each other. i got out the cream and we had an hour just just sexual touching before putting on the wrapper. they had me change wrappers each time i went back and forth but i must have gone through 6 condoms before finishing. the girls names were a and tip.

day 3
i slept till 3pm catching up on jetlag and then off to work for a couple hours. i decided to see what patpong was like these days. i avoided it for years due to the crowds, prices, and very pushy pushy hawkers…. “see ping pong show?” “what you look for”, “you want girls”, “you want boy”, “you look massage?”….. well, aside from very small crowds it was the same. i ended up at one of the 600 baht bj bars where i got a very professional deep throat while i fingered the girl and then headed back to nana. on the parking lot i found a very cute girl and went back to my hotel for 1000 baht. we had very profunctory sex. she wanted to get in, done and out so that she could get back and hook up again. lol – i decided to take my time. she had a stunning pussy and i was just loving playing with it and watching it. she was clearly frustrated but was careful about pushing.

day 4
i had to work all day but decided to find the most stunning girl from nana i could find. hollywood 2 downstairs in the back did the trick. #97 mee from chang mai looked a bit shy on stage. she has stunning breasts and thin waste. i stared at her for a while and she was waiting for me to invite her over. when i finally did she got excited especially when i immediately got here a drink. drinks are a big source of income for the girls. at hollywood they make 50 baht for ever ladies drink. she asked 2000 for short time but immediately accepted 1500. back at the hotel she told me that she is a straight masseuse during the day. she had that light skinned beautiful chang mai look which is so different from all the issan farm girls. lets just say that we spent a very fun, funny, teasing, couple hours together. i would have asked her to stay long time if i wasn’t on the way to the airport at 4am. next time.

[QUOTE=Cactus J]I thought Marc had sold Eden and moved on. Is it really the same Marc who started Eden? I was there years ago and enjoyed my time there.

Cactus J[/QUOTE]

It is the same Marc who founded Eden. He is planning to retire and has turned over much of the day-to-day management of the club to associates, but he is still involved, especially with the startup of the new Eden in Pattaya.


Evil

I'm off to BKK next week. On business chiefly (I wouldn't book vacations at the height of the rainy season), but I hope to do a bit of mongering as well. Based on the excellent reports on this forum I expect to focus on the refurbished - and these days more daring - clubs in Soi Cowboi in the evening plus perhaps the rapidly evolving entertainment area on Soi 7/1 (around Eden) in the afternoon. It is becoming clear to me that Nana Plaza is going down the drains like Patpong 1 before it.

I have a question regarding ST versus LT, though. Several posters have mentioned that it's getting harder to make girls commit to a LT that includes the whole night. To some extent that was to be expected: The mongering these days takes place earlier in the evening, and I suppose most working girls figure after 3-4 pops you've got what you paid for. But... how much should one read into ST these days? And a LT? Last time I was in BKK I picked up a ST in the Beer Garden who was not only rushed, but stated vehemently that my 1500 Baht bought me only one pop. This is disappointing relative to my usual hunting grounds (e.g. Russian girls abroad) where a short time is usually defined as 1-2 hours with as much sex as you can manage. Is this attitude standard, or did I pick a "rotten apple"? Similarly, if you pay for LT, should you expect the girl to stay for a certain amount of time, or is it two-pops-and-she's-out-the-door?

[QUOTE=Priamos]

I have a question regarding ST versus LT, though. Several posters have mentioned that it's getting harder to make girls commit to a LT that includes the whole night. To some extent that was to be expected: The mongering these days takes place earlier in the evening, and I suppose most working girls figure after 3-4 pops you've got what you paid for. But... how much should one read into ST these days? And a LT? Last time I was in BKK I picked up a ST in the Beer Garden who was not only rushed, but stated vehemently that my 1500 Baht bought me only one pop. This is disappointing relative to my usual hunting grounds (e.g. Russian girls abroad) where a short time is usually defined as 1-2 hours with as much sex as you can manage. Is this attitude standard, or did I pick a "rotten apple"? Similarly, if you pay for LT, should you expect the girl to stay for a certain amount of time, or is it two-pops-and-she's-out-the-door?[/QUOTE]

Priamos,

I would not worry about the ST / LT thing too much. My last few visits, there were only a couple that even brought up the ST vs LT issue. Of course that was at the Rainbow Bars at Nana. Even at the Rainbow bars, not all of the girls are mercenaries. I had a girl at the Rainbow bar, who snuggled up to me. She would not have been my first choice, but once we started talking, I knew I would not regret taking her. Real affectionate. Spent the whole night and never brought up money or length of time. She would rate a 7 in looks, so she was not a big drop off from the 8's and 9's I was checking out.

There were others from Soi Cowboy, Hillary Bars, Gullivers, etc. No issues with LT stays. One of the girls from Soi Cowboy even seemed disappointed, when I told her she could leave. I couldn't help it, since I had planned to meet someone else! lol!

The Mercs tend to be the hottest of the hot and generally at Nana. I can generally pick em' out after a drink and about 5-10 minutes chatting. I will only take the Mercs out when I decide I want a quickie, and can live with them wanting to get back to the bar for more bar fines.

Good luck!
AT2

FYI

[url]http://sg.biz.yahoo.com/060915/1/43g0o.html[/url]

ES

Guys,

Nothing new but I would recommend the following. I saw a nice show in Cowboy in the famous Long gun where unfortunately they seem to put too less alcool in my dozens of glass I drunk.

After the usual topless dancing started an integral strip and some "dirty dancing" girls stripping their leather and chains suits with incredible acrobatic performance.

Then came the lots of fun when the "puxxx" games started: playing trumpet, smoking 2 cigarettes and throwing darts to shoot some balloons! Really great show with to my mind above the average kind of meat.

Then, spend a few hours in Dolhouse where they keep rooms upstairs. Dancing was so so as well as selection. Do I mistake or girls are only interested in 40 years old customers over there? Anyway the boss is a nice guy and offer everyone a round of free glasses.

Cheers

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]I would not worry about the ST / LT thing too much... Even at the Rainbow bars, not all of the girls are mercenaries. I had a girl at the Rainbow bar, who snuggled up to me. She would not have been my first choice, but once we started talking, I knew I would not regret taking her. Real affectionate.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, AT2. Yeah, I suspected as much: "mercs" as you say to me equals gogo dancers in the more fancy places. I didn't tell the whole story about my last visit to BKK: I had a couple of satisfactory GFEs, but each time with slightly more experienced women (late twenties) without model looks but with a good attitude. I mostly found them in the bars around Soi 4 but also on one occasion by barfining a waitress. To these women, apparently, I was the best that had happened to them that week - especially as I offered a small tipping up front - and I guess they were willing to put in an extra effort to try and secure my return custom.

It's just that... looking at the photos and reading some of the postings here I was under the impression that I have been shopping down market. Maybe I have, but I figure I'll continue doing just that: better spend the night with a good-natured and motivated "neighbour's daughter" than pay through the nose for an hour with a photomodel with an attitude problem!

[blue][Report edited by Admin][/blue],

a ST is indeed just one pop, so why not make it last 1-2 hours ?
But just like Asia Traveler2 already said, I wouldn't be worried about the LT thing. If you pick the right girl she will stay all night and if you didn't picked the right one you don't want to stay with her all night anyway.

True, some girls are mercenaries - but hey, that's their business, to get as much as fast as possible. They have only very few years during they can make some decent money. It's a business transaction, never take it personal.

The trick is to find the right one and I deeply believe that it largely depends on us, the customers. If you treat them nice and with respect, they will feel comfortable and reward you.

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]This report was edited in accordance with the Forum's [u]No Crosstalk[/u] Policy. Please do not post any report that refers to or directly addresses [u]or quotes[/u] another Forum Member while this Forum is operating under the No Crosstalk restriction. Please read the Forum's Posting Guidelines for further information. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/size]

Evil

There is an Edens in Pattaya?

Egg

[QUOTE=Priamos] ...
I have a question regarding ST versus LT, though. Several posters have mentioned that it's getting harder to make girls commit to a LT that includes the whole night. To some extent that was to be expected: The mongering these days takes place earlier in the evening, and I suppose most working girls figure after 3-4 pops you've got what you paid for. But... how much should one read into ST these days? And a LT? Last time I was in BKK I picked up a ST in the Beer Garden who was not only rushed, but stated vehemently that my 1500 Baht bought me only one pop. This is disappointing relative to my usual hunting grounds (e.g. Russian girls abroad) where a short time is usually defined as 1-2 hours with as much sex as you can manage. Is this attitude standard, or did I pick a "rotten apple"? Similarly, if you pay for LT, should you expect the girl to stay for a certain amount of time, or is it two-pops-and-she's-out-the-door?[/QUOTE]

Only have my little insight from a one week stay only, so no statistical value compared to frequent visitors.

Picked my LT's in Soi Cowboy and Beergarden and my residence Livingstones.
One Soi Cowboy girl said before we agreed to LT that she had duties and needed to leave about 7:30-8:00h., which I considered fair. After our session, which she might have enjoyed she asked me if I would come back to her, that I should call her before she starts working and she wanted to arrange that she could stay longer. (The reason: Said it's hard to come for her and with me she would see a chance, but would need more time. Sounded rather serious and is not such a bad reason).
My other LT's all stayed way after noon. My freelancer was up offering to guide me around in Bangkok and my favorite Soi Cowboy GoGo which I took 2 times didn't leave earlier then more or less to go directly to work late afternoon.

Don't know if I was just lucky, or somehow was good in girls selection (means estimate looks, attitude, predict behavior etc. out of the talks before).

So figure Girls selection, pick up place (Nana Parking lot seems to be special for the high frequency ST types) and especially how you come along with your girl plays the important role how long LT will be, if she has no (real) duties. But I found out that girls with real duties will tell it before when they have to leave early. If the didn’t tell you, something might have not gone not perfect with both of you.

One thing could be an alarm signal in your behavior: Your post indicates that you want to use your time as much as possible and deliver as much as possible shots (3-4 seems to be the norm for you). That would indicate that you would be one of the so called ‘Rabbit style’ fuckers aiming for as much as possible ‘stroke mileage’ / hour. If you are that type, it would also mean you don’t take much care at all for the girl, just satisfy yourself. In this case no wonder that girls may want to escape from you as quick as possible. Girls ‘love’ that kind of guys.

I prefer a style aiming for a good time for both of us, which includes e.g an extended bath session in a Jacuzzi (without ‘only’ fucking there), giving a girl attention as well (e.g. take time to kiss and ‘eat’ if she is nice) and not only deliver shots. All my girls turned out to be GFE’s at the end.

So please figure yourself why my girls might probably stay longer for LT then yours.

Regards
Brain666

[QUOTE=The Traveler]Priamos,

.....

The trick is to find the right one and I deeply believe that it largely depends on us, the customers. If you treat them nice and with respect, they will feel comfortable and reward you.[/QUOTE]

While writing my own comment Traveler was saying basically the same thing in short words. (didn't see it before)

regards
Brain666

[QUOTE=Brain666]One thing could be an alarm signal in your behavior: Your post indicates that you want to use your time as much as possible and deliver as much as possible shots (3-4 seems to be the norm for you). That would indicate that you would be one of the so called ‘Rabbit style’ fuckers aiming for as much as possible ‘stroke mileage’ / hour. If you are that type, it would also mean you don’t take much care at all for the girl, just satisfy yourself. In this case no wonder that girls may want to escape from you as quick as possible. Girls ‘love’ that kind of guys.[/QUOTE]

Not at all. I simply meant to imply that a "normal" night probably involves a couple of interactions in the evening and one in the morning. When I'm with working girls I'm usually relaxed, talkative and generous. As you may have gathered from my second posting I don't generally have problems with securing LT services (except for one or two unfortunate incidents). But, as I normally focus on girls who chat with guys in small bars rather than dance in big ones, I simply wondered how the land lies among the high-end providers.

I'd warn you, though, against going to the other extreme: I often hear mongers boast about how much the working girls appreciate their kindness, how they always go out of their ways to make the girls feel well, etc. etc. I think this is a bit naive. The working girls, especially in BBK and Pattaya, are top professional and like all professionals (1) they're in it for the money, not the pleasure; and (2) they'll work as hard as they think they have to and not a dot harder. The so-called GFEs are IMHO a function not of how gentlemanly you behave, or whether you stroke them in the jacuzzi, but on whether they seek your return custom. (Though, if you behave particulary badly they'll of course shun you...) Hence the difference between girls who figure you're the night's only catch and girls who feel they could be making tons of $$$ if only they weren't stuck with you in this hotel room...

[quote=brain666]traveler was saying basically the same thing in short words. [/quote]
lol, you are the first one "accusing" me of short words.

to correct that mistake i like to add that i agree with your observation regarding the "rabbit style". many guys believe they buy a certain number of pops with their money. i rather tend to believe that you just buy their time with the possibility of having sex as often as both like. this especially applies to lt.

not the number of pops is important but their quality. i always prefer quality over quantity and remember, the way is the goal. maybe it's a matter of age or maybe i have spend far too much time in asia but i don't get aroused by watching any of the sex shows or taking a peep at the pubic area of some gogo dancers. i like to take my time, undressing a girl is like unpacking a present at x-mas.

so many guys these days pop their vit. v - just have a look at this forum how many ask about it - and try to fuck their minds off, but not many girls do like it and it may even cause pain to them. so nobody should believe some vit. v. makes him a stallion and the girls may think of him as a "real" man. the opposite is true.

[QUOTE=Priamos]Not at all. I simply meant to imply that a "normal" night probably involves a couple of interactions in the evening and one in the morning. When I'm with working girls I'm usually relaxed, talkative and generous. As you may have gathered from my second posting I don't generally have problems with securing LT services (except for one or two unfortunate incidents). But, as I normally focus on girls who chat with guys in small bars rather than dance in big ones, I simply wondered how the land lies among the high-end providers.

..[/QUOTE]

Yes that sounds better then in the first post. Didn't read it before.


[QUOTE=Priamos]
I'd warn you, though, against going to the other extreme: I often hear mongers boast about how much the working girls appreciate their kindness, how they always go out of their ways to make the girls feel well, etc. etc. I think this is a bit naive. The working girls, especially in BBK and Pattaya, are top professional and like all professionals (1) they're in it for the money, not the pleasure; and (2) they'll work as hard as they think they have to and not a dot harder. ...[/QUOTE]

Of course this is to a large extend true, and probably I am a potential candidate to be s sugar daddy as well. But as long as I am not caught in it and make the wrong conclusions I have an extremely good time this way. But it’s important that you always keep control.


[QUOTE=Priamos]
...
The so-called GFEs are IMHO a function not of how gentlemanly you behave, or whether you stroke them in the jacuzzi, but on whether they seek your return custom. (Though, if you behave particulary badly they'll of course shun you...) Hence the difference between girls who figure you're the night's only catch and girls who feel they could be making tons of $$$ if only they weren't stuck with you in this hotel room...[/QUOTE]

Here again, some is true, but still we should consider that by all business in this game its always to humans being together making intimate action.
Therefore I wouldn't reduce it that much to business only. Both the customer and the girl still have feelings by all professionalism and its not always that simple to say that 100% all behave of the girls (and us) is driven by that business attitude (let him return to me to gain more money) only.

If I see the P4P business around the world, then Thailand is really something special. As I wrote in one of my reports about my experience, I considered the P4P scene much more fluent into the lets say the 'private' relation then it is in all other countries I had p4p experience so far. This makes Thailand really special and probably is the reason for its big success.

Regards

Brain666

[blue][Quoted text deleted by Admin][/blue]

[blue][Name Removed by Admin][/blue],

I tend to disagree. What you say might be true for some, but definitely not for all, but of course money is the driving element in it.

How can you expect to have a good [u]non-mechanical[/u] session with someone who does not like you in one way or the other?

I never request or even force a girl to do anything she doesn't want to do. But even girls who told me in advance that they don't like/want BJ, do it later on, even without me asking for it. I believe it's because they feel comfortable and want to reward me. The girls are able to sense what type of guy you are without the need of being tough to them. Additionally I am fluent in Thai which is automatically interpreted by them as knowing what is going on.

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]This report was edited in accordance with the Forum's [u]No Crosstalk[/u] Policy. Please do not post any report that refers to or directly addresses [u]or quotes[/u] another Forum Member while this Forum is operating under the No Crosstalk restriction. Please read the Forum's Posting Guidelines for further information. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/size]

[QUOTE=The Traveler]How can you expect to have a good [u]non-mechanical[/u] session with someone who does not like you in one way or the other ?[/QUOTE]

Well, I get an excellent, friendly and highly personal service from the waiter in my local restaurant. I don't spend my time wondering if he does so because he cares for me. I'd reformulate it in the negative: a good service provider provides a good service if she considers you an OK client. However, if the dislikes you then nothing good will come out of it.

[QUOTE=The Traveler] I never request or even force a girl to do anything she doesn't want to do. But even girls who told me in advance that they don't like/want BJ, do it later on, even without me asking for it. I believe it's because they feel comfortable and want to reward me.[/QUOTE]

Good point. The first time a girl meets you she doesn't know if you're a decent person or an axe murderer. And, unlike the waiter, she has to put herself in your hands in a very real sense of the word. Of course she's likely to loosen up when she realises that you'll a kindly man.

[QUOTE=Eggsalad]Evil

There is an Edens in Pattaya?

Egg[/QUOTE]


Marc is opening an Eden Club in Pattaya. According to the latest info I have, it should be ready for business by December, but I don't know if the opening date has been set.

Evil

I tend to disagree. What you say might be true for some, but definitely not for all, but of course money is the driving element in it.

How can you expect to have a good [u]non-mechanical[/u] session with someone who does not like you in one way or the other ?
I never request or even force a girl to do anything she doesn't want to do. But even girls who told me in advance that they don't like/want BJ, do it later on, even without me asking for it. I believe it's because they feel comfortable and want to reward me. The girls are able to sense what type of guy you are without the need of being tough to them. Additionally I am fluent in Thai which is automatically interpreted by them as knowing what is going on.[/QUOTE]

I agree with the Traveler, I am pretty fluent in Thai. The gals know I know what is going on. I almost never discuss money nor time, nor do they. I also never pay more than 1000 baht, be it long or short...i have plenty of ladies who are repeats, and i'd say that 90% of my experiences are good ones in which the lady wants to see me again...i don't think the gals are all consumate pros at all. They will take those for a ride that they can, but if you listen to your instincts and keep away from the money grubbers, i'd say your mileage will be pretty high.

"cum with the girl you came to the party with."

Now that IS priceless advice from a brother and fellow monger DRRonin.

Wrong board I know...don't flame me.

There's and Edens massage but it's not the same sort of thing....so in short no.

[QUOTE=Eggsalad]Evil

There is an Edens in Pattaya?

Egg[/QUOTE]

Went 3 times to Akane Massage this week - 2 times to the location next to the Interconti hotel and one time to Soi 33.

Took the Fashion massage and a simple lotion massage in the one next to the Interconti. Loved the body scrub (and the way the ladies asked if "ok to put finger inside?"). Have to say the sucking fashion masage is more fun than the simplier (and cheaper) lotion massage. The ass rimming was performed very nicely on the fashion massage and I came very strongly.

Had the full fun package (2 ladies 90 min fashion massage) in Soi 33. Have to say, this was mindblowing. The two ladies put me into the bathtub, washed and played with me in a superb way and then sucked all parts of my body on the bed. A man's dream I have to say. Except for no FS they gave everything you could desire. What a night!

In general management is very good and the ladies I had had a very good attitude. It's a pitty that there are no such places in HK.

Was in Bangkok for 2 days and did all the usuals (wham, bang, thank you mam). Then tonight decided to pop over to a restaurant/pub which looked pretty decent. Had the dinner, then went and played pool with one of the girls there. Each pool game cost 30 Baht but it's ok, since they rack it up for you. Was extremely attracted to the cashier so head over to the bar and decided to carry out small talk. Wasn't very responsive so I gave up then concentrate on the numerous bar girls around. Saw one which had a hot body but a so-so base, but what the heck! As a friend of mine is keen on saying "cover the face, rock the base". Started small talk and bought her the usual ladies drinks etc. Finally, high and horny enough to ask her back to my hotel and lo, and behold... she said that she's not that kind of girl! WTF! Spend close to about 1,000 Baht on drinks (both me and her) and at the end of the day, no reward. I thought Bangkok girls can be had at a price... then I asked her whether the rest of the girls (especially the cashier) is for "sale". She said no...

Anyway.. just to let fellow mongerers know, this place is pretty straight up. No "bang, bang", just drinks, pool and company.

[QUOTE=Blaquesmith]... she said that she's not that kind of girl! WTF! Spend close to about 1,000 Baht on drinks (both me and her) and at the end of the day, no reward. I thought Bangkok girls can be had at a price... then I asked her whether the rest of the girls (especially the cashier) is for "sale". She said no...
[/QUOTE]


Wow, what a shock; not all Thai girls are prostitutes!

[quote=retired army]wow, what a shock; not all thai girls are prostitutes![/quote]

lol...and people wonder why i don't like sex tourists and the people like blaquesmith who think like this about thai women. unfortunately mongers like him and o**** are all too common now on the streets of bangkok (and presumably on this board, as well).

happy to hear the girl shot him down. let's hope there are more incidents like this and perhaps these guys will get the message that bangkok girls can't be had at a price.


interestly, though, i could probably get her with a little effort. one has to know how to talk to thai women, or just women in general. maybe that's the problem. with their attitudes, these guys will never get anywhere with real women. might as well stick to the sure bets at nep etc. there they can flash their cash and delude themselves that they possess wit and charm.

[QUOTE=Blaquesmith]Was in Bangkok for 2 days and did all the usuals (wham, bang, thank you mam). Then tonight decided to pop over to a restaurant/pub which looked pretty decent. Had the dinner, then went and played pool with one of the girls there. Each pool game cost 30 Baht but it's ok, since they rack it up for you. Was extremely attracted to the cashier so head over to the bar and decided to carry out small talk. Wasn't very responsive so I gave up then concentrate on the numerous bar girls around. Saw one which had a hot body but a so-so base, but what the heck! As a friend of mine is keen on saying "cover the face, rock the base". Started small talk and bought her the usual ladies drinks etc. Finally, high and horny enough to ask her back to my hotel and lo, and behold... she said that she's not that kind of girl! WTF! Spend close to about 1,000 Baht on drinks (both me and her) and at the end of the day, no reward. I thought Bangkok girls can be had at a price... then I asked her whether the rest of the girls (especially the cashier) is for "sale". She said no...

Anyway.. just to let fellow mongerers know, this place is pretty straight up. No "bang, bang", just drinks, pool and company.[/QUOTE]
Maybe she even is a working girl - I don't like the word prostitute (what I would assume in that kind of bars) but if someone brings the message over with such an attitude (cover the face, rock the base can be expected to be be rejected by any girl) that she'd better not go with him. Many of them don't go with everyone just for the pay.

[QUOTE=Tiger 1]Maybe she even is a working girl - I don't like the word prostitute (what I would assume in that kind of bars) but if someone brings the message over with such an attitude (cover the face, rock the base can be expected to be be rejected by any girl) that she'd better not go with him. Many of them don't go with everyone just for the pay.[/QUOTE]
At the risk of being attacked by OTH, and RA, I think Blaquesmith might have a point. we don't know if he behaved like a lager lout, for all we know he was making mindless conversation, playing pool, buying drinks, and getting to know this girl. Regardless of his mindset " cover the face, rock the base ", that does not necessarily mean that was his attitude. If indeed that was his attitude, why would this girl hang with him and play pool? She cannot have been that desperate for free drinks. I think most of us who walk into a bar in Nana, hangs out with a girl for a while, buying her drinks, and making chit chat, would think she is available as a WG. I don't know if a nice office girl would be seen dead in that kind of place, so I don't think he was out of line. Maybe the girl just didn't feel comfortable with him, or there could actually be a multitude of reasons. But to bash him because he would think a girl who is playing pool 20 m from NEP is a WG, is over reacting.

[quote=speed touch]..there's and edens massage but it's not the same sort of thing....so in short no.[/quote]
eden will be opening a new club in pattaya within the next 4-6 weeks. always get confused by people claiming marc owns eden though ? he doesn't, he manages it, and has managed it for many years since he 'left' champs elysee. for anyone thats been to eden, remember the pic on the bar with one very fat guy and a load of girls, claimed to be the most girls a client has ever taken for one session, well it's half true, the fat guy is the owner.
there is a new manager at eden bangkok now called bruce, also from france whilst marc concentrates on opening eden pattaya.

[QUOTE=Boris Becker]Went 3 times to Akane Massage this week - 2 times to the location next to the Interconti hotel and one time to Soi 33.

[/QUOTE]

Boris,

I'm glad you decided to contribute. There's actually a massage thread for this post. Just an FYI for future reference.

AT2

Just back from my first trip to LOS. Thanks to all the previous posters. I had a great time because of all the information that was shared on this board.

On my first tour down Sukhumvit Road I was taking in all the sights and sounds and decided to drop by Annies for my first taste of the lovely Thai ladies. The cool interior was a welcome relief to this fair weather tourist. After a quick cool down at the bar, I turned my attention to the fishbowl. I quickly settled on Tak -- I didn't realize until my second visit that Annie's ladies had numbers, and that Tak is #1. I settled up with mamasan, and made sure that Tak got herself a drink, and we headed down the hall to the room.

The room was nice and clean, but I'm not sure about the "artwork" hanging above the bed. I can't be sure, but I think the sculpture had five legs and only two bodies. I suppose art really is in the eye of the beholder, and I had no qualms about Tak's appearance. Tak told me that I was lucky in that Annies had been without hot water the weekend before, so a few days earlier and I would have had a much different experience.

The tub was soon filled and I was soaped and scrubbed with all the scrubbing surfaces that Tak could bring to bear. She then propped me up out of the water and onto her lap and quickly brought me off the first time. It was then over to the bed for a wonderful massage to relieve my travel-tired muscles and then the flip and she began to work on me again. As much as I was enjoying her oral attention, I was anxious to enjoy all she had to offer. A cap was applied and I assured myself that the bathwater was not the only warm, moist place in the room. Then it was back to the tub for another cleanup, with much attention paid to all the important areas.

In short, I think my first Bangkok experience was greatly improved as a result of the reports I read before my trip. Thanks.

I have more first-time trip reports to make. Stay tuned.

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]

[QUOTE=1Ball]At the risk of being attacked by OTH, and RA, I think Blaquesmith might have a point. we don't know if he behaved like a lager lout, for all we know he was making mindless conversation, playing pool, buying drinks, and getting to know this girl. Regardless of his mindset " cover the face, rock the base ", that does not necessarily mean that was his attitude. If indeed that was his attitude, why would this girl hang with him and play pool? She cannot have been that desperate for free drinks. I think most of us who walk into a bar in Nana, hangs out with a girl for a while, buying her drinks, and making chit chat, would think she is available as a WG. I don't know if a nice office girl would be seen dead in that kind of place, so I don't think he was out of line. Maybe the girl just didn't feel comfortable with him, or there could actually be a multitude of reasons. But to bash him because he would think a girl who is playing pool 20 m from NEP is a WG, is over reacting.[/QUOTE]After your post I took the effort to read back through Blaquesmith's reports. I now agree with you, he is not the guy he looked like in this report. But this post sounded very harsh. Maybe he had a bad day.
Tiger

[QUOTE=1Ball]At the risk of being attacked by OTH, and RA, I think Blaquesmith might have a point. we don't know if he behaved like a lager lout, for all we know he was making mindless conversation, playing pool, buying drinks, and getting to know this girl. Regardless of his mindset " cover the face, rock the base ", that does not necessarily mean that was his attitude. If indeed that was his attitude, why would this girl hang with him and play pool? She cannot have been that desperate for free drinks. I think most of us who walk into a bar in Nana, hangs out with a girl for a while, buying her drinks, and making chit chat, would think she is available as a WG. I don't know if a nice office girl would be seen dead in that kind of place, so I don't think he was out of line. Maybe the girl just didn't feel comfortable with him, or there could actually be a multitude of reasons. But to bash him because he would think a girl who is playing pool 20 m from NEP is a WG, is over reacting.[/QUOTE]

I'de never attack a reasonable, non-antagonist like you...lol

Maybe the guy deserves a break. But, he shouldn't make statements like thinking all girls in Bangkok can be had at a price. But, the assumption that girls on soi 4 are fair game is a reasonable one, I suppose. However, I have a couple of students who live on that soi and also a student friend who worked at The Ball in Hand and Metro (before the girls there starting going with customers-she quit because of that). Either way, one should be careful making declarative statements like that about Bangkok girls.

[QUOTE=1Ball]At the risk of being attacked by OTH, and RA, I think Blaquesmith might have a point. we don't know if he behaved like a lager lout, for all we know he was making mindless conversation, playing pool, buying drinks, and getting to know this girl. Regardless of his mindset " cover the face, rock the base ", that does not necessarily mean that was his attitude. If indeed that was his attitude, why would this girl hang with him and play pool? She cannot have been that desperate for free drinks. I think most of us who walk into a bar in Nana, hangs out with a girl for a while, buying her drinks, and making chit chat, would think she is available as a WG. I don't know if a nice office girl would be seen dead in that kind of place, so I don't think he was out of line. Maybe the girl just didn't feel comfortable with him, or there could actually be a multitude of reasons. But to bash him because he would think a girl who is playing pool 20 m from NEP is a WG, is over reacting.[/QUOTE]

No attack, it's just that I see this all the time. Guys who don't know or understand Thai culture assume that all Thai women are available. News flash guys: they ain't. There are far more women that are unavailable to us because we are who we are than are available. But luckily there are enough to keep most of us happy without going where we aren't welcome.

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]Marc is opening an Eden Club in Pattaya. According to the latest info I have, it should be ready for business by December, but I don't know if the opening date has been set.

Evil[/QUOTE]
That sounds good. Does anyone know if Eden east is going to have some 8's and 9's?
I had 2 Koreans in Atlanta that blew my mind. Sandwiches are great if the girls are comfortable and have it down.

[QUOTE=Catmonger]That sounds good. Does anyone know if Eden east is going to have some 8's and 9's?
I had 2 Koreans in Atlanta that blew my mind. Sandwiches are great if the girls are comfortable and have it down.[/QUOTE]

I think that we should wait that the bar will be open...
Based on Bangkok lineup (I check it weekly...) I dont't think we will have any 8's or 9's. A solid 7 would be a good mark at Eden's!

Alex

From an old timer about this issue. My first trip to Bangkok was in 1989. Every independent girl spent the whole night with you, and for about $20 US or less. Most of the ones I met were at the old Thermae Coffee shop which closed down. I went back again to BKK in 1991. Most stayed all night, but a few were doing short time only. I went back in 1994, and the short time stuff was getting more and more. It was real bad in BKK the last time I went, about four years ago. But I went to Ko Samui afterwards and the girls I met there were mostly doing all nighters. Just wanted you younger guys to know how great Bangkok was in 1989, especially the old Thermae Coffee Shop. (I know old timers always talk about the "good old days" but I swear what I'm telling you is true.)

[QUOTE=Henry R]From an old timer about this issue. My first trip to Bangkok was in 1989. Every independent girl spent the whole night with you, and for about $20 US or less. [/QUOTE]Hi Henry R. 1989 was 17 years ago. $20.00 in 1989 is at least the equivalent of $30.00 in 2006 dollars. My last several trips if you offered $30.00 for the night (To a freelancer in Pattaya) it wasn't that hard to find plenty of women who would stay the night for that much.

BKK might be a bit more but not unheard of. Maybe the current days aren't so bad, and maybe advancing age makes it harder to get the same "deal" you got when 17 years younger.

[QUOTE=Henry R]From an old timer about this issue. My first trip to Bangkok was in 1989. Every independent girl spent the whole night with you, and for about $20 US or less. Most of the ones I met were at the old Thermae Coffee shop which closed down. I went back again to BKK in 1991. Most stayed all night, but a few were doing short time only. I went back in 1994, and the short time stuff was getting more and more. It was real bad in BKK the last time I went, about four years ago. But I went to Ko Samui afterwards and the girls I met there were mostly doing all nighters. Just wanted you younger guys to know how great Bangkok was in 1989, especially the old Thermae Coffee Shop. (I know old timers always talk about the "good old days" but I swear what I'm telling you is true.)[/QUOTE]
I second what you say regarding Thermae in the early and mid 90s. I had a girl from there that was very bright and a great time that I still think about. I kept her 3 days and she just wanted to stay with me and get fed the last day. She cried when I left for the airport.

She recognized me as I came in looking like a dog crossing the freeway. She knew my name, which blew my mind. Ends up she was roomates with a BG I took from a NEP King's Group club. She said, "You think I don't know who my sister (friend) sleep with?"

Hot tip guys, the advice about buying the good ones a little something on the walk to the hotel is wonderful. It means more to the girls on a personal level than the money, which is just business and expected. This girl got a pair of cheap shoes and I got the most authentic and loudest fake orgasms I have ever witnessed!

She would smoke my cigar butts after I was done with them. Priceless. I bet the Nana Hotel had to repaint when we were done.

[QUOTE=Catmonger] I got the most authentic and loudest fake orgasms I have ever witnessed!
[/QUOTE]
Classic.......... I love it.

Hello all,

I am at the Nana hotel and have just seen the thread on prices. I first came to Bangkok and Pattya in 2000, I could barfine Pattya girl for 200 BT and she stayed all night/day for 1000 BT, no more. Now barfine in Patttya is similar to BK and it's 2000 ST, great service, nice girls, I can't *****, if one looks at cost of living one cannot say PFP has gone up nearly as much as gas.

LJB

[QUOTE=Lost Johnny]I could barfine Pattya girl for 200 BT and she stayed all night/day for 1000 BT, no more. Now barfine in Patttya is similar to BK and it's 2000 ST[/QUOTE]
The prices posted previoiusly by another member were;
[quote]-Beer bars and short time bars (i. e. soi 6): 500 (+room) ST and 1000 LT
-Freelancers: 1000 LT
-Gogo bar: from 1000/1500 ST to 1500/3000 LT

I usually pay 1000 both for short or long time. Never paid more for thai pussy. But still many members here have thei own opinions about this subject, which I respect.
[/quote]
I was concerned about bidding up the price thinking "it's peak season... inflation..." and paying too much myself. It's been many years since I went to Pattaya too.

[QUOTE=Lost Johnny]Hello all,

I am at the Nana hotel and have just seen the thread on prices. I first came to Bangkok and Pattya in 2000, I could barfine Pattya girl for 200 BT and she stayed all night/day for 1000 BT, no more. Now barfine in Patttya is similar to BK and it's 2000 ST, great service, nice girls, I can't *****, if one looks at cost of living one cannot say PFP has gone up nearly as much as gas.

LJB[/QUOTE]Did you mean to say 2000LT? 2000ST is far from a good deal, especially in Pattaya.

The is the continuing recollection of my recent, and first, trip to Bangkok.

On my next trip out I ventured into the Nana Entertainment Plaza. Without the photos and descriptions in previous posts the entrance to NEP would be easy to overlook. The action in the bar to the left of the entrance makes it easy to overlook the importance of that plain looking alley.

I wandered about for a bit and took in the sights and sounds of the Plaza. I was quite impressed by all the makeup, hairstyling and primping being done by the ladyboys on the third floor, but I was a bit concerned by how easy they were to mistake for the real thing. I quickly went back downstairs where I supposed I wouldn't have to check too closely for adams apples and manhands.

I finally decided on Rainbow II in the right, rear, corner of the plaza and sat down to enjoy the blasting music and cool temperatures. The ladies on stage seemed to be swaying rather unenthusiastically to the music and didn't seem to be making much effort to make smile or make eye contact with the few patrons in the bar -- it was a rather early 8pm. The hostess seemed to be extra friendly, and I was wondering if the extra barfine for a hostess would be worth the cost, when I noticed someone that was sitting at the foot of the stage facing my direction that was maintaining constant eye contact and smiling nonstop. I soon indicated that she should join me, and bought her a drink.

DeeDee was her name, and she was funny and attentive and showing more animation than all the dancers on the stage combined. After a couple of drinks each we decided to leave the bar and find somewhere more quiet to get to know each other better. I settled up the barfine and bar tab and we went upstairs. Now, at this point I have to say that I don't recall any posts that mentioned the short-time 'hotel' on the third floor of NEP. I'm sure I would have remembered if anyone had mentioned it, and I was a bit confused when DeeDee suggested going upstairs. So, for those of you that are also unaware, there are short-time rooms to be had on the third floor. 300 bhat for a real shower (hot water), bed and towels. I didn't check either the bed or towels too closely because I'd just as soon not know how clean they really were.

DeeDee was great. She was older than most of the other girls, so she actually looked like she was over 20 years old. She was lively and was joking around and wanted to learn more english. With the help of the shower faucet she now knows the meaning of the word "cold" and anyone that jokes around with her might help her practice the hard way. Speaking of the hard way, DeeDee was as much fun between the sheets as she was in the bar and we practiced several different positions before finishing up in doggy. She continued to be very personable and made sure to clean everything up in the shower afterward. Her scrubbing technique almost led to another round, but previous activities prevented that from happening.

Thanks to all the homework I did on this site before my travels, I knew the going rate for short time and DeeDee and I went our separate ways, her with the requisite 1500 bhat and me with the indelible memory of a good time had.

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]

Anyone in BKK today?

I left Bangkok without giving my email address to someone that I'd like to stay in touch with. If anyone is in town and will be down in the Nana area, could you PM me for my address and information on where to deliver it?

Regarding Krypto Knights' post, which is skeptical about my previous post that LT in Bangkok used to be much more common years ago. I definitely realize my advancing age is part of it. But I do know things changed a lot from 1989 to 1994, from my first trip to my third. The prices are not my main point. My main point is the ST vs LT. I have friends who went to BKK a lot, much more than me, and they said at the time (1994) that things were really changing from LT to ST. I don't think we all imagined it, or all of us aged that much in three years, from my second trip in 1991, which was almost all LT, to my third trip in '94 when ST started to take over.

Went to a few bars in NEP, but was quickly bored.

Pretty Lady was suggested by Lone Punter but its gone now.

Lollipop had questionable type of girls (if you get my drift), Red Lips girls were old), etc.

Many bars had few pretty girls. Rainbow still has a good line-up and Angel Witch has good shows but not excessively raunchy.

Decide I was better off in Suzie Wong at Cowboy.

Got there in time for the 10PM shows. Now these are not the ugly dumb shows like at Patpong. These are both beautiful and very erotically raunchy. Some good looking girls explicitly lick each others pussies. You can get real close at the bar and defy your dicks to stay down when you see this show. unless you have had too much to drink.

The oil show is very hot also.

Chatted to the girls manager Tai for a bit who is a lady boy (but the only one in the bar) and she runs the shows and is mamasan. The is also in for a short time and I buy them all drinks. Tai points out all the new pretty girls she has recruited lately for the shows. Ugly girls are not accepted for this bar. Some of the new girls are very pretty indeed.

However I choose the 2 raunchiest girls who were licking each other out.

Paula and Priao drink with me for a bit and then agree to go with me as their shows are completed.

See photo gallery for the hot Pics.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=510039&postcount=1833[/url]

I am travelling to BKK in 2 weeks and was wondering if any of the Nana bars are offering nude dancing, is angelwitch the only one doing this and what are selection of girls like. Not too interested in shows shooting darts, smoking pussy etc, I just like to drool at naked dancing ladies no show required.

Also, is it wise to agree before barfining and at beforehand at soapies if multiple shots are on offer so there's no misunderstandings ?

Can anyone give a quick recommendation as to the current must check out places that are busy in Nana, not sure if I have the time to visit soi cowboy.

Appreciate the help.

[QUOTE=Limirl]Also, is it wise to agree before barfining and at beforehand at soapies if multiple shots are on offer so there's no misunderstandings ?

Can anyone give a quick recommendation as to the current must check out places that are busy in Nana, not sure if I have the time to visit soi cowboy.

Appreciate the help.[/QUOTE]Of course you will get misunderstandings if haven't agreed on Multiple shots.

Why wouldn't you have time for Soi Cowboy? Its only 10 minutes walk from Nana. But the right time for naked girls is 10PM at Suzi Wong. Is that after your bed-time or are you only in Bangkok a few hours? Long Gun is popular but I find the shows inferior and closer to Patpong style. Patong has more nudie dancing but has the ugly shows as well, so I'm not so keen.

In Nana, Angel Witch is always worthwhile but nudity light on I think.

Micky

[QUOTE=Limirl] not sure if I have the time to visit soi cowboy.
[/QUOTE]

I would avoid Soi Cowboy as the majority of bars are infested with LB’s.

There are almost as many LB’s as girls at the moment.

Hopefully the new military rulers will change the name of the street from Soi Cowboy to Soi Ladyboy, which is what it deserves.

[QUOTE=Tono59]

Now, at this point I have to say that I don't recall any posts that mentioned the short-time 'hotel' on the third floor of NEP.

[/QUOTE]Tono,

I do recall reading some reports about the short time rooms at NEP, but there were posted a long time ago.

L.A.

What is the maximum amount one can withdraw from an ATM in Bangkok? Do different machines offer different limits. If so, where are some machines with large limits located at?

[QUOTE=Gladiator]I would avoid Soi Cowboy as the majority of bars are infested with LB’s.

There are almost as many LB’s as girls at the moment.

Hopefully the new military rulers will change the name of the street from Soi Cowboy to Soi Ladyboy, which is what it deserves.[/QUOTE]

My 1 time visit for 1 week may not qualify me to be an expert, but at least for the Soi Cowboys GoGo's this is obviously not the case. Due to the more nude shows it is in addition also not so difficult to spot (yes I know that there is also an optional operation possible) and I don't think that the gogos will hire such 'girls'. My 2 GoGo picks I proved myself during the course as I still know from school (and long years practice) about the biological contruction inside females pussy.

For the bars surrounding the GoGo's I cant comment regarding LB danger and density.

regards

Brain666

[QUOTE=Brain666]My 1 time visit for 1 week may not qualify me to be an expert, but at least for the Soi Cowboys GoGo's this is obviously not the case. Due to the more nude shows it is in addition also not so difficult to spot (yes I know that there is also an optional operation possible) and I don't think that the gogos will hire such 'girls'. My 2 GoGo picks I proved myself during the course as I still know from school (and long years practice) about the biological contruction inside females pussy.

For the bars surrounding the GoGo's I cant comment regarding LB danger and density.

regards

Brain666[/QUOTE]I 2nd what Brain666 says and add that in fact several bars in Patpong and NEP are basically Ladyboy bars and many of them hang outside. But I don't know of any that are this way in Soi Cowboy yet having only been to a few of the good ones. So Soi Cowboy is looking good to me these days.

Gladiator's post was therefore puzzling to say the least.

Never had a problem grabbing up to 20000 baht from a machine. I'd check with your bank what your limit of daily withdrawls is. That might be the answer.

LN

[QUOTE=Lovesnihon]Never had a problem grabbing up to 20000 baht from a machine. I'd check with your bank what your limit of daily withdrawls is. That might be the answer.

LN[/QUOTE]

That's true, but the machines have a limit on the NUMBER of notes they can deliver. There is a thickness maximum that will fit thru the output slot - and even with 1000B notes it gets there quickly. As for me, with the B now at 37something/$ and my maximum withdrawl is $500/day, I can "only" get 18000 or so. When the machines get "empty" more or less, they start outputting 500B then 100B notes (thick stack - the note size depends on the ATM and the bank - I've found that Thai Farmer's Bank tends to have the "smaller" notes readily available - even if you don't "want" them)

[QUOTE=Tono59]...Now, at this point I have to say that I don't recall any posts that mentioned the short-time 'hotel' on the third floor of NEP. I'm sure I would have remembered if anyone had mentioned it,...[/QUOTE]

There are definitely Short Time rooms in NEP on the 3rd floor. I wouldn't call it a hotel. When coming in from the street and take the first staircase to the left to the 3rd sloor, you'll find it. GoGo girls like it because it saves the travel time (read: more time to scoop more farangs). I've used it several times. It's clean and I think the rate is 300 baht. The only drawback is when it's late, sometimes you have to wait for a room.

nocbj4me

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]There are definetly a Short Time rooms in NEP on the 3rd floor. I wouldn't call it a hotel. When coming in from the street and take the first staircase to the left to the 3rd sloor, you'll find it. GoGo girls like it because it saves the travel time (read: more time to scoop more farangs). I've used it several times. It's clean and I think the rate is 300 baht. The only drawback is when it's late, sometimes you have to wait for a room.

nocbj4me[/QUOTE]


nocbj4me is definitely correct, there is a ST hotel on the third floor. It's kind of above the Hog's Breath and to the left.

Guys,

If you can’t spot the tons of LB’s in Soy Ladyboy you either are blind or simply don’t know yet how to tell them apart.

I went last week and I was surprised at how many of them there were (hadn’t been there since last year), I did just one visit but spent about 3 hours in about 6-7 different go-go’s and all of them had LB’s, some just 3-4 but others loads of them. Some go-go’s I skipped them straightaway because they even had LB’s at the door, along with girls, trying to attract customers.

Quite a few were of the type that can perfectly pass for a girl for newbies, not the obvious ones, and I suppose many of them will be post-op given that they are working in go-go’s where traditionally guys go in search of girls, so I am sure many guys are fucking these post-op LB’s without even knowing it.

I don’t give a shit for what other guys do, to each his own, I’m just trying to give a warning: buyer beware if you go shopping to Soi Ladyboy!

[QUOTE=Gladiator]Guys,

If you can’t spot the tons of LB’s in Soy Ladyboy you either are blind or simply don’t know yet how to tell them apart.

I went last week and I was surprised at how many of them there were (hadn’t been there since last year), I did just one visit but spent about 3 hours in about 6-7 different go-go’s and all of them had LB’s, some just 3-4 but others loads of them. Some go-go’s I skipped them straightaway because they even had LB’s at the door, along with girls, trying to attract customers.

Quite a few were of the type that can perfectly pass for a girl for newbies, not the obvious ones, and I suppose many of them will be post-op given that they are working in go-go’s where traditionally guys go in search of girls, so I am sure many guys are fucking these post-op LB’s without even knowing it.

I don’t give a shit for what other guys do, to each his own, I’m just trying to give a warning: buyer beware if you go shopping to Soi Ladyboy![/QUOTE]Which are the problem bars?

Maybe post a list of specific bars in the "Places to Avoid Thread"?

And list all the well known tell tale signs to look for.

O.K. Ladyboys are everywhere in Thailand but cannot think they are more prevalent in Soi Cowboy than at Nana or Patpong. I also remember plenty of them in Phuket. So warnings could well apply to all major bar areas.

However some GOOD bars have a policy of of no Ladyboys.

Suzie Wong has only one (the mamasan). There are strict standards on selection of the girls. Don't recall seeing them at Long Gun or Baccarat either.

I have enough experience to spot most ladyboys easily but would never be arrogant enough to say I can spot 100%. So like everyone, I must always be on the lookout for them. Unfortunately some people get so paranoid that they start asking the real girls if they are ladyboys as well.

BTW, Many LBs are OK for a conversation. Its just that I'm a straight guy when it comes to sex.

[QUOTE=Retired Army]nocbj4me is definitely correct, there is a ST hotel on the third floor. It's kind of above the Hog's Breath and to the left.[/QUOTE]There used to be short time rooms on the other side (right side) of NEP as well but they were not good so I never went back prefering the left ones next to the lift and the beauty salon.
I remember a Uni Student free lancer taking me to somewhere just up Soi 4 further (must have been too late for Nana Plaza).

Soi Cowboy has a ST "Hotel" at the Asoke end and Patpong has at least 2 places from memory.

So there is usually somewhere available for ST quickies and usually the P4P girls know them so punters don't eed to be experts.

However have been to the odd ones where the room stink is too bad to be bearable. Hard to understand how these keep going, but clearly some peoples noses are not too sensitive or lust overcomes everything.

Why do I resort to ST rooms? Sometimes its mostly to save time, sometimes
because I have stayed in conservative non-girl friendly Hotels, but mostly because I have been maintaining a little mongering while having a regular girlfriend. This requires great precautions like NEVER taking the P4P girls back to your Hotel. To risky to get found out or dobbed in. This is why I have a special phone number reserved for mongering that is not switched on when there is any risk. Its also too risky to take girlfriend anywhere close to mongering areas. I also have to be careful to ensure there are no dated pieces of paper placing me somewhere where I shouldn't be. I hope these tips will assist other mongers to not get into deep shit. One more thing. Be very careful to have worked out "where you are and what you are doing" before answering GF's phone call. If background sounds are not consistent with the story, suspicion can occur. If place is doubtful, may be better not to answer. Don't say you are soewhere where there is a fixed phone that can be rung to check, e.g. "In my Hotel room" is a bad story if not really there.
Finally, I am getting very committed to Thai GF now, so quitting mongering is an option that must be given strong consideration. She is too good to lose. She is way better than a monger deserves. I would have no hope to get such a wonderful girl back in home Country.

[QUOTE=Praise The Loard]LOL that's funny, and I can see this happening.[/QUOTE]
:-) that would be worth try.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Which are the problem bars?

Maybe post a list of specific bars in the "Places to Avoid Thread"?

And list all the well known tell tale signs to look for.

O.K. Ladyboys are everywhere in Thailand but cannot think they are more prevalent in Soi Cowboy than at Nana or Patpong. I also remember plenty of them in Phuket. So warnings could well apply to all major bar areas.

However some GOOD bars have a policy of of no Ladyboys.

Suzie Wong has only one (the mamasan). There are strict standards on selection of the girls. Don't recall seeing them at Long Gun or Baccarat either.
[/QUOTE]

The only gogo that I can’t comment on is Long Gun, all the others had LB’s, some of them many (like 30-40%). I combed the entire street and checked each single gogo bar, in some I just took a quick look and left straightaway.

I got into Long Gun but it was packed, there wasn’t even a place to sit so I left and didn’t have the opportunity to check it properly. I’d be surprised, though, if Long Gun was the only bar in the whole street with no LB’s… Most probably they have some too, following what seems to be an epidemic in this street.

Baccara had some LB’s too, as well as the usual Japanese crowd.

It’s true that there are LB’s everywhere, but only Patpong and, now, soi Cowboy have a worrying degree of infestation. Nana is nowhere near the level of these 2 areas from what I saw.

So I’d say it’s a matter of avoiding the whole area, rather than some specific bars; or at least being aware of what you can expect.

[QUOTE=Gladiator]The only gogo that I can’t comment on is Long Gun, all the others had LB’s, some of them many (like 30-40%). I combed the entire street and checked each single gogo bar, in some I just took a quick look and left straightaway.

[/QUOTE]

Hmmm, as I said before I may not be enough qualified with my 1 stay 1 week only visit.

However, don't take it wrong, but I would rather like to have this confirmed from some other eyes. You are the first and only one mentioning this 'high density'. Nobody else came up with that so far. From my observation I had the impression that at Nana the LB density is rather higher then Soi Cowboy, but I was not in search and counting.

In the second post it comes down to the question how to spot LB’s. I don’t say I would be able to spot 100% of LB’s, but I doubt that so many would be able to pay for a good operation creating a perfect pussy when it comes to the nude show on stage. Anyhow the girls on stage of Long Gun (completely naked), Suzi Wong (completely naked) and Sharks (not completely naked, transparent clothing), I would have no one rated a LB. But I was also not in search of evidence for it. Knowing that a place hires ‘perfect’ LB’s would be a turn off and I would avoid this place. I guess many of us would react the same and that’s why I doubt somehow your observation. Probably you are to ‘sensitive’ in ‘spotting’ LB’s?

So lets see if there are others with similar observation. We might need to send Giotto as a spy.

Regards

Brain666

[QUOTE=Brain666] Sharks (not completely naked, transparent clothing), I would have no one rated a LB. [/QUOTE]

Sharks is one of the most infested, by the way. Those post-op 'pussies' obviously pass for real for some.


[QUOTE=Brain666] So lets see if there are others with similar observation. We might need to send Giotto as a spy.
[/QUOTE]

Luckily, I don't need to wait for others' observations or send any spies - I can spot them myself.

For those who can't: good luck.

Firstly where is the RCA area?

And, anyone been to a place called Route 66? Heard great things about the women there.

[QUOTE=Plugger]Firstly where is the RCA area?

And, anyone been to a place called Route 66? Heard great things about the women there.[/QUOTE]RCA - Royal City Avenue has a bar called Route 66 among other bars and discos. This can easily be found by web search.

It is Soi 8 of Rama IX (9) road. From Rama 9 Underground Station go about 700 metres east along Asoke-Din Daeng road which becomes Rama 9 road, and turn right at Soi 8 (RCA). It runs south east from there.

[QUOTE=Plugger]Firstly where is the RCA area?

And, anyone been to a place called Route 66? Heard great things about the women there.[/QUOTE]RCA - Royal City Avenue, it is close to Petchaburi Road between it's junctions of Sukhumvit Soi Prompong and Thong Lor (opposite side).

Basically the area where Bangkoks young people go (eg. me :) )! A place for locals, and not an easy hunting area.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Gladiator]Sharks is one of the most infested, by the way. Those post-op 'pussies' obviously pass for real for some.[/QUOTE]Went there today, and I did not see a LB dancing in there.

But there are lots of them outside, walking up and down Soi Cowboy.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Gladiator]...
Baccara had some LB’s too, as well as the usual Japanese crowd.

It’s true that there are LB’s everywhere, but only Patpong and, now, soi Cowboy have a worrying degree of infestation. Nana is nowhere near the level of these 2 areas from what I saw.

So I’d say it’s a matter of avoiding the whole area, rather than some specific bars; or at least being aware of what you can expect.[/QUOTE]Just read this now, but sorry, I disagree.

Baccara has usually Japanese customers, correct, and they would be scared away if LBs danced in there.

Nana has at least 2 LB bars, there are ONLY LBs in there. And at the entrance of Nana and the parking lot also lots of them.

In Soi Cowboy there are LBs walking up and down the road, but inside the bars, dancing, ... not in the bars I know.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Gladiator]The only gogo that I can’t comment on is Long Gun, all the others had LB’s, some of them many (like 30-40%). I combed the entire street and checked each single gogo bar, in some I just took a quick look and left straightaway.
<cut>
Baccara had some LB’s too, as well as the usual Japanese crowd.
It’s true that there are LB’s everywhere, but only Patpong and, now, soi Cowboy have a worrying degree of infestation. Nana is nowhere near the level of these 2 areas from what I saw.
So I’d say it’s a matter of avoiding the whole area, rather than some specific bars; or at least being aware of what you can expect.[/QUOTE]I think we do some service to ISG members like myself who like real women as they were made by nature for sexual purposes, and therefore how to spot the ladyboys and hence avoid them.

Look for one or more of the following (one point only is often not enough):

1. Very tall
2. Deep voice
3. Broad shoulders
4. Strange hips
5. Big hands
6. Adam’s apple
7. Too much makeup or too white in colour
8. Exaggerated walk or hand movements
9. Big jaw
10. Unfeminine face
11. Silicone breasts
12. Straight body or excessively curved
13. Big show-off or excessive confidence

etc.

Most ladyboys are easy to identify for the experienced eye. I have 15 years of experience in and out of Thailand and can spot most ladyboys in a 1 to 2 second glance. However there are a small percentage of ladyboys that are quite difficult to pick. Unfortunately there are probably a similar number or higher of real girls that have something odd about their looks corresponding to my list above and will be mistaken for or at least suspected of being ladyboys, especially by guys that have already been fooled once and may become slightly paranoid about LBs.

Numerous LBs were outside the Nana Plaza tonight perhaps 30%. Lollipop appeared to have a few LBs, and two of the 2nd floor bars as well as Carousel were full of them. Nana and Patpong are LB heavy areas. A walk along Sukhumwit Road found several more LBs.

I was willing to be proved wrong so I wanted to do my own survey of bars in Soi Cowboy tonight.

I only had 1 night available so I decided just to do a few of the good bars. However first went up and down the Soi to see if any LBs in evidence drumming up business for the bars. No identifiable LBs found.

Now I speak Thai very well, so I decided to interview various Thai girls, including any suspected of being LBs, to see if they could help me find any LBs. Each bar usually had at least 1 or 2 suspicious looking girls. Ended up with extensive conversations with about 6 girls, who all turned out to be not LBs, even the ones I had some suspicions. There was general agreement by most that, not only did their bar have no LBs, but that most other Soi Cowboy bars also did not have them. General agreement was that perhaps a few bars may have one or two LBs. Did not hear of any ar with extensive LBs.

Baccarat had no LBs. Dolls House also none. Suzi Wong also none (except for mamasan who is not counted as she is not available to customers for sex). Couldn’t find any at Long Gun. However was indicated by some grils interviewed that 1 or 2 LBs existed at Deja Vu. So I went there. 3 very tall girls in evidence. My assessment: First one I rated as 0% chance of being LB, 2nd one about 20% chance and 3rd one about 50% chance. So none were completely obvious LBs. I chatted to one with very small tits who confirmed that the bar did have one LB, but was sorry that couldn’t be brought to me despite her great beauty, as was not in tonight. She confirmed that all 3 of them were regularly mistaken for LBs. I decided to bar fine her and do the full pelvic exam under good lighting. I don’t care how good the plastic surgeon is, I think I will know a real pussy. Photos are provided for your examination as well.

My survey is not foolproof but was enough to confirm the gross exaggeration of the other report in my mind. Having found not one confirmed LB by anybody, I can confidently say that while there are LBs in Soi Cowboy, their numbers are clearly lowish in my chosen popular bars and way below the numbers easily found at Nana Plaza and Patpong. No-one could tell where to go in Soi Cowboy to find plentiful LBs.

Guys, always be on the look out for some hits on my list of tell tale signs, and if not absolutely sure you have 100% real woman, move on! On the other hand don’t persecute the poor tall girls are just happen to look feintly suspicious.

Obviously, I prefer to believe what I see rather than what I read from unknown (and probably biased) sources, so I stand by my point.

For those who are in doubt, go and find it out yourself.

All I know is that I will try to avoid soi Ladyboy in the future, in the same way as I try to avoid Patpong.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I think we do some service to ISG members like myself who like real women as they were made by nature for sexual purposes, and therefore how to spot the ladyboys and hence avoid them.

......
[/QUOTE]

Thats what I call Perfect service and survey ML.
Thanks ML. It fits to my 'observation' which was only a 'pass by observation' not in serch for evidence like ML- so less value, but fits.

[QUOTE=Gladiator]Obviously, I prefer to believe what I see rather than what I read from unknown (and probably biased) sources, so I stand by my point.

For those who are in doubt, go and find it out yourself.

All I know is that I will try to avoid soi Ladyboy in the future, in the same way as I try to avoid Patpong.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, now I am in doubt if you are really fair there. If you have no problem with Nana LB density which did not only by my 'pass by' obesrvation, but by ML's 'search for evidence' observation 'filled' with a higher density of LB's, you should avoid consequently all of them. For me it seems more obvious that you for some reason (bad experiance? and then 'pay pack' by bad rumors?) hate Soi Cowboy.

I have not stayed long enough yet to have any preference.

regards

Brain666

[QUOTE=Gladiator]Obviously, I prefer to believe what I see rather than what I read from unknown (and probably biased) sources, so I stand by my point.
For those who are in doubt, go and find it out yourself.

All I know is that I will try to avoid soi Ladyboy in the future, in the same way as I try to avoid Patpong.[/QUOTE]I avoid Patpong these days. Its too far. The downstairs girls tend to be looking for big money and not much service provided. A lot of bars have LBs to watch for.

Upstairs they have shows that probably novelty value for newbies but are ugly rather than erotic IMHO.

Nana is boring for me these days. Several bars with LBs to be skipped. A few good bars like Angel Witch and the Rainbow group. But full nudity very light on.
Soi Cowboy has several bars where girls are dancing nude without shows, e.g. Dolls House, Deja Vu and others.

Baccarat has place to look up girls skirts with no knickers, Entertaining for a short time only.

Long Gun has some good looking girls but full nudity light on and lacking fully shaved bare pussies. Unfortunately Long Gun has shows that remind me of Patpong: Flower string comes from the pussy, shooting darts, Smoking pussy, blowing the horn, etc. Some ugly shows done by an ugly girl.

So while Long Gun is a very popular bar, with pretty girls, the shows are not my taste.
Suzi Wong brings shows at 10PM from a choreographer of superior erotic aesthetic taste. Takes the LB manager to appreciate what is really hot hot sexy. She has focussed on recruiting only really good looking real girls for the last few months so this bar is only improving. I might be warped but the shows bring smooth shaved pussies with wide open spread legs so the the pussy licking can be clearly seen. The oil show is very sexy also. These shows score a 9 out of 10 on the instant erection scale for me.

Sorry I didn't check out the popular Shark bar yet.

Toy Bar has reputation for wicked groping activities and blow jobs out in the open. Not for the shy, but will appeal to some.

While I didn't go to Soi Cowboy for many years, its now way out in front of NEP and Pat Pong for go-go type bars. So Gladiator is entitled to his disparate views, but Giotto, very experienced in the mongering scene for years, confirms the overall lack of LBs in the good bars in the Cowboy. There are a few pretty girls in the best bars as well and several stunning bodies to be found.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]

Finally, I am getting very committed to Thai GF now, so quitting mongering is an option that must be given strong consideration. She is too good to lose. She is way better than a monger deserves. I would have no hope to get such a wonderful girl back in home Country.[/QUOTE]

That is exactly the correct thing to do. Once you find that special "Thai" girl, don't let her go. You will never be happier.

[QUOTE=Retired Army]That is exactly the correct thing to do. Once you find that special "Thai" girl, don't let her go. You will never be happier.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Nothing like a thai GF. :)

[QUOTE=Mick Licker] While I didn't go to Soi Cowboy for many years, its now way out in front of NEP and Pat Pong for go-go type bars. [/QUOTE]

For those who like (or can't notice) go-go’s infested with post-op LB’s, it certainly is.

Anyway, this is my last post on the soi Ladyboy subject, the audience can believe me, or believe others who disagree with me because of their own agenda or, perhaps, their plain ignorance - I mean, how clever is it trying to identify post-op LB’s by looking for their Adam’s apple, or by asking mamasan? Or trying to prove that there’re no LB’s in a place by posting the pic of a pussy?

In any case, this discussion is closed from my side; unlike others, I have nothing to gain or lose from whatever other members believe in this case so there is no need for me to waste any more time with this.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Guys, always be on the look out for some hits on my list of tell tale signs, and if not absolutely sure you have 100% real woman, move on! On the other hand don’t persecute the poor tall girls are just happen to look feintly suspicious.[/QUOTE]


So true,
I once had my suspicions on a rather cute but taller than normal gal. I was almost ready to quit and move on but decided dispite some doubts, I was 98% convinced she was a she. I left with her and just to satisfy my 2% doubt, I had the gal at my hotel desk check the ID. Yep, she was a she and turned out to be a winner to boot. So dont dump them out of suspicion or you could lose out.---IMO

PT

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is on the south side of sukhumvit off of soi 8. it will be the 2nd alley on the right. you'll see a large sign sticking out from the 2nd floor of the building.

i was there shortly before noon. most of the girls were sitting out front. inside it is long and skinny, with a bar on the right hand side. one guy at the bar, sitting with a girl. i ordered some orange juice and sat for a while. a girl sat beside me and chatted a little. put her hand on my thigh. wasn't that good looking. i didn't say much, and after a few minutes she left. another one took her place. i'm not sure how you could choose except to wait for them to come by one at a time. the 2nd one was a little better looking and started fondling my dick, telling me how happy she could make it upstairs. i said ok. i wanted to pay for the juice but they told me, "later." we walked to the back of the bar and went up the stairs.

upstairs was a long room with many fake black leather couches. she picked a curved one, put a towel on the seat so i didn't "stick," and closed black curtains around it. i was given my choice of with or without condom. then she helped me out of my shoes and pants, put a cushion on the floor and cleaned my now hard cock with an alcohol wipe. sucked until the job was done, cum in her mouth, then clean up with a few more alcohol wipes. pants and shoes back on, and we go downstairs.

the bartender hands me a bill for 780b (80 for the juice, 700 for being milked). i gave the girl a 100b tip. nice place for a quickie.

the eden club is on sukhumvit soi 7/1, north side of sukhumvit between two sets of stairs up to the nana sky train station. there's a subway sandwich shop at the corner. it's not a building by itself, just a small door between other places. as you walk down soi 7/1 look up on the right side, about the 3rd floor and you'll see their sign.

i went about 6:30 or 7:00 on a friday evening. most of the girls were sitting out front. i went in and it is long and skinny just like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], only the bar is on the left side. there was a manager sitting in front playing a video game who explained the system to me (told many times on this site already). i told him i was ready to pick a girl right away, so he rustled them all together. they stood along the right side of the room and i was surprized to see most of them on the "do anal" side of the yellow line. i picked a taller girl with big fake boobs who was smiling and making eye contact. she picked a shorter friend with real boobs--so i got some of everything.

on the way to the elevator in the back of the room, they picked up a bag. on the way up they had my dick hard and sticking out of my fly before the elevator door opened--always a good sign. in the room it was showers all around, mouthwash all around, and the girls did a little private cleanup on the toilet. they dumped their bag out onto the bed and it was full of toys, condoms, lube, etc. they asked me to pick out a porn dvd from a collection and i said i wasn't interested--after all, we were going to make our own porn. but they insisted so i picked on and she put it in the player. after all that, it never actually got played.

i won't bother to say what we did, since they would do anything you liked with you or to you or with each other (maybe i'm just not perverted enough to think of something they won't do). they go for a whole 90 minutes. they finished me off twice and darn near a 3rd time. in between they gave me a manicure, pedicure and massage. they were happy, enthusiastic and relentless in pursuit of getting me off. i can't think of a single complaint except maybe the girls here aren't as hot looking as some other places.

afterwords, showers all around, head downstairs and pay the bill: 3600b. they even take credit cards.

this post concludes reports on my asia vacation including hong kong, macau, phuket and bangkok. i want to thank the guy who runs this site for a valuable resource. i also appreciate those posters on the various forums who left a trail of bread crumbs for me to follow. i can't pay you back but maybe my reports can pay it forward.

[QUOTE=Gladiator]For those who like (or can't notice) go-go’s infested with post-op LB’s, it certainly is.

Anyway, this is my last post on the soi Ladyboy subject, the audience can believe me, or believe others who disagree with me because of their own agenda or, perhaps, their plain ignorance - I mean, how clever is it trying to identify post-op LB’s by looking for their Adam’s apple, or by asking mamasan? Or trying to prove that there’re no LB’s in a place by posting the pic of a pussy?

In any case, this discussion is closed from my side; unlike others, I have nothing to gain or lose from whatever other members believe in this case so there is no need for me to waste any more time with this.[/QUOTE]I am well aware that nothing can be proved on this issue on either side. Passed though late at night and saw quite a few LBs walking around in the Soi (early in the evening very few), but nothing to easily indicate attached to a bar. The story at Deja Vu has changed. Found a girl who said there are three LBs. Picked one easily from the jaw and asked where the other two were. She replied that the other two were not there. Could have gone with some unsuspecting punter.

It was pointed out that last time I chose the wrong one to look suspicious because stretch marks indicated a baby.So height of 170cm alone was not enough to rate as suspicious. Obviously I was attracted to the least suspicious one.

Why not say LBs are everywhere and to beware. Its unfair to rate Soi Cowboy as worst. But these can only be personal opinions.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Sorry I didn't check out the popular Shark bar yet.

While I didn't go to Soi Cowboy for many years, its now way out in front of NEP and Pat Pong for go-go type bars. So Gladiator is entitled to his disparate views, but Giotto, very experienced in the mongering scene for years, confirms the overall lack of LBs in the good bars in the Cowboy. There are a few pretty girls in the best bars as well and several stunning bodies to be found.[/QUOTE]I agree with Mick. I have been in Bangkok now for 9 months, and doing the rounds, I find Soi Cowboy to offer the best girls, and the best value for money. Patpong is to expensive, and full of LB's. It's more for the first time tourists. Hey, i went there when I first got here and it was ok. Now I have matured a bit, and obviously know the city a bit better.

Anyway, thought I would add some more, seeing this is my first post. I have to say its great to read about everyones experiences as it helps everyone get the most out of their stay.

I was at Shark Bar last weekend, and have to say the best experience so far in Bangkok. The girl I took back to my hotel was pretty, great body - and very good between the sheets. Plus, it only cost B 2000, plus bar fine. She stayed from about midnight, until 9am next day. And could of got her to stay longer if I wanted.

Closest I have come to the real deal (ie. GFE). Plus she was fun to be with, so we had a great time. Will probably go back again, and see if can take her for the weekend.

I have been trying to find some reports on Darlings MP? Has anyone been there? I have been there twice, and just want to see what others think. First time was pretty average, but second time much better. i think first time I must have got the work experience girl.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I think we do some service to ISG members like myself who like real women as they were made by nature for sexual purposes, and therefore how to spot the ladyboys and hence avoid them.

Look for one or more of the following (one point only is often not enough):

1. Very tall
2. Deep voice
3. Broad shoulders
4. Strange hips
5. Big hands
6. Adam’s apple
7. Too much makeup or too white in colour
8. Exaggerated walk or hand movements
9. Big jaw
10. Unfeminine face
11. Silicone breasts
12. Straight body or excessively curved
13. Big show-off or excessive confidence[/QUOTE]There are a few other features that can be used to help judge if she is actually a he.

1. A woman's arms can not be held straight down the side of the body as a man can (i.e. a man's top half his arm can be held in a straight line, 180 degrees, with the bottom half of the arm).

A woman's arms develop with a slight angluar feature to accomodate the fact that the arms have to swing by her hips whilst she walks. And, if you ask a woman to stand with her arms straight down her side, invariably the arms will not be straight (nor can she hold them straight). When I have checked this out with lady friends of mine, the concept has held true, but my research has not been exhaustive.

2. There is a difference in the length of the index finger and ring finger between men and women. The index finger in men tends to be shorter than the ring finger, whilst in women it is the other way around.

I have researched this over the internet and found quite a number of medical reports discussing the fact. However, when I have done some personal studies of this with ladies friends of mine, the distinction is not always that clear.

3. Another personal observation of mine is that LB's tend to have big feet compared to females. I have not done any research or investigation on this point, apart from observing LBs on the streets in Bangkok from time to time.

4. I do recall someone else in the forum writing about the difference in the way that LBs walk compared to women, due to the difference in the pelvic structure. If I recall correctly the members comments correctly, whilst women can walk in a natural way and cause their hips to sway from side to side. LBs tend to walk in a way that we see fashion models walk down the catwalk and, for want of a better expression, I would call it a foot-cross-over step.

Hope this provides some additional food for thought.

L.A.

[QUOTE=Lance Alot]
3. Another personal observation of mine is that LB's tend to have big feet compared to females. I have not done any research or investigation on this point, apart from observing LBs on the streets in Bangkok from time to time.


Hope this provides some additional food for thought.

L.A.[/QUOTE]

From my experiences, the feet is not a good way to tell LB from a real gal.
Some will be wearing sneakers and perhaps shoes.
And others that were real gals that I'd met had fairly large feet, maybe not as long as a guys (or mine) but certainly much broader and wider--maybe because they go barefoot all their lives and not confined to tight shoes?--but anyway reminded me of a stone age women, only thing missing was a club.

PT

I have found that there is one critical key to telling the difference between a LadyBoy (Katoey) and a real girl that has not been discussed. That has to do with the observer's blood alchohol level. I have seen and experienced that the more drunk you are the less likely you will be to "figure it out."

NEP and the Nana parking lot have become "the" hangout. A number of straight girls are very unhappy because they see the guys being scared that they will make a mistake. When I was there 2 weeks ago I found myself hesitant to pick a parking lot girl for fear that I would end up with the wrong plumbing. In defence, the only time I actaully did make a mistake -- I had drunk a number of beers.

If you do go home with a LB and it is not your thing, DO NOT FREAK OUT or get angry. Smile, give her/him some cash and apologize saying you are into girls not LB. He/she is used to it. Thai society is very accepting of LB and while in Thailand we should be too even if it is not our thing.


[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]From my experiences, the feet is not a good way to tell LB from a real gal.
Some will be wearing sneakers and perhaps shoes.
And others that were real gals that I'd met had fairly large feet, maybe not as long as a guys (or mine) but certainly much broader and wider--maybe because they go barefoot all their lives and not confined to tight shoes?--but anyway reminded me of a stone age women, only thing missing was a club.

PT[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DeepVoid]I have found that there is one critical key to telling the difference between a LadyBoy (Katoey) and a real girl that has not been discussed. [/QUOTE]

Not meant as a flame to anyone but I haven't read anyone suggesting common sense approach: why not just ask if not sure?

I mean, if she is a real babe, you gotta be able to tell. If you're not sure, why not ask - chances you're right, she/he is a LB and won't be insulted?

IMHO

And of course, there is also the "look at the ID" for those who can read Thai - the difference between "chai" and "ying" are easy enough to "learn". It does mean, though, that you have to ask to see the ID... (might just as well ask "khun poo ying reu poo chai? mai chawp katoey" - the last is probably an insult but a WG probably won't care anyway... (you woman or man? I don't like katoeys") If you are speaking some Thai and ask to see the ID they should be smart enough to know you can probably read the info as well

Easy: a LB snores. But by the time you find out, it is probably too late.

Although its always a good idea to ask the person if not 100% certain of LB status, unfortunately, they do not always tell you the truth--its a small % but do happen from time to time.
So stay focus.


PT

[QUOTE=Dinghy]And of course, there is also the "look at the ID" for those who can read Thai - the difference between "chai" and "ying" are easy enough to "learn". It does mean, though, that you have to ask to see the ID... (might just as well ask "khun poo ying reu poo chai? mai chawp katoey" - the last is probably an insult but a WG probably won't care anyway... (you woman or man? I don't like katoeys") If you are speaking some Thai and ask to see the ID they should be smart enough to know you can probably read the info as well[/QUOTE]One of by bad LB experiences was after I did ask and it assured me it was a bar girl, lying bastard!

Can you tell us the Thai characters/letters, whatever they call them for "Chai" and "Ying"? My crappy phrase book only says poo ying for girl and I don't know which symbols mean girl, and I can't find "chai"at all!

Thanks

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Although its always a good idea to ask the person if not 100% certain of LB status, unfortunately, they do not always tell you the truth--its a small % but do happen from time to time.
So stay focus.PT[/QUOTE]The lesson I have learned in Asia: When in doubt just assume the odds are against you. Maybe thats unfair sometimes, but better a few times unfair (in a friendly way) than frequently being cheated.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Not meant as a flame to anyone but I haven't read anyone suggesting common sense approach: why not just ask if not sure?

I mean, if she is a real babe, you gotta be able to tell. If you're not sure, why not ask - chances you're right, she/he is a LB and won't be insulted?

IMHO[/QUOTE]For me I can't see that I will be likely to ask if she is a LB. Its a little bit insulting to a real girl. Anyway I am not likely to be attracted to anyone that I suspect of being a LB anyhow, and I probably think that I am not likely to make a mistake often after years of experience. So I probably will not get to be talking to a suspect LB with sex activities in mind.

However, if only when chatting to them my suspicions have arisen, then I might consider asking them.

One more thought:

In my early days took 2 girls from a bar, and when I had got my gear off an one wanted to start a blowjob still clothed, I new something was wrong. Then recalled she had a strange voice also. Had to cancel the session promptly. Highly embarrassing, Couple of bar fines wasted. Went straight back to same bar and grabbed another girl with really big real tits.

Similarly if a girl doesn't agree to a pussy exam, could be very shy or could be lady boy.

Recently I was in BKK and had the pleasure of seeing a couple of Uzbek girls. They mill around Grace Hotel, and the Uzbek restaurant downstairs. I spotted at least a dozen of them one night. Some of them are really attractive. One of the ladies I saw, Sxxxh mentioned she is from Afghanistan, looked really attractive but after she shed the clothes could see the C'scar and baby fat, otherwise enjoyable. The second one Jxxxxxa is from Tashkent, had gold teeth-caps, slim and and very polite and gave me a GFE. I only wish I could have spent an entire night with her. She was her late 20's has couple of kids back home.

The girls were complaining that there weren't enough customers. I think the problem may be oversupply. At any rate some of them are quoting 1000B for ST same as the local rate. They may ask 2K or higher but bargain it down to no more than 1.5K.

I think it makes sense to ask them. Usually, they own up to it if the person is a ladyboy. I've only had one who said he was not a ladyboy. The person was beautiful and looked feminine. I tried to do an inspection when we got into the shower and the person refused. I asked him to leave and did not pay the person.

One thing in favor of the Nana Hotel. Ladyboys are not allowed inside the hotel. This excludes them from the disco & lobby bar but outside in the parking lot is another story. You will find a truck load of them in the parking lot.

[QUOTE=Seydlitz]Easy: a LB snores. But by the time you find out, it is probably too late.[/QUOTE]A saying; 'When there is doubt, there is no doubt."

[quote=seydlitz]easy: a lb snores. but by the time you find out, it is probably too late.[/quote]

roflmao - a sweet young thing i was with last year snored and i'm sure 100% is was a gurl (besides, i read her id card)

well, pete - if you find the word for "woman" (poo ying) the "w" with the small "q" underneath is the "poo" the rest of it is the "ying" there is a "silent h" as the first letter, then a strange looking character with a symbol above it and a symbol below it (the vowel is above the letter - the other part is a part of the yor-ying - the "name" of the letter) and then a "fishhook" looking character as the last character. remember those characters - that's "female" in thai.

for "chai" the lead character is a vowel - think of a lower case "b" with a line out of the top pointing to the left then the first character in the thai word for "elephant" (chang). there's a small tone mark but it isn't important in this discussion (just in speech).

the "y" in ying is a very uncommon y and if you see it in the id card, it's probably a woman (i don't remember the layoout of the card exactly so i can't tell you where to look) sheesh - i'm only equivalent to a 4yo in pa-sa thai

Saw a couple of reports down the line here about how to tell the real girls from the LB's.

In another life I used to be repo man. I used to sit up on addresses for long periods of time and I would see who comes and goes. From a distance, I found I could easily tell the ladies from the boys.

Girls seem to bob up and down when they walk. Boys will swagger a bit and their head motion will be side to side. If it is bobbing, it's a gal, and if it's weaving, it's a guy.

I was in BKK last month looking arround for some russian girls and I was told to go to the Grace Hotel. I had a walk arround and I dindt see only one. Could you be so kind to specify where to find them, as I will be back in BKK next Monday

JB
I guess the Nana hotel security guys are pretty experienced Katoey watchers, or do the TGs in Angels grass the Katoeys up if one manages to infiltrate their domain?

I think best way to find out if "she" is a ladyboy is to tell her that you are only interested in LB's.

If she is a LB she will eagerly admit she is.

When she is not a LB she will say: solly, I am girl.

Then you can always say: joking, I want real girl.

It can be that simple.

On my first trip to Bangkok, I never visited any of the go go bars at the NEP because my friend and I were having too much fun at Patpong. So on my last trip to Bangkok, I checked out the Rainbow 1, 2 and 4 bars. I didn't even bother going into any of the other bars because I didn't like what I saw from the outside.

I like house/trance music and that's what the DJ seems to be playing the majority of the time at Rainbow. However, the girls there aren't as good looking as the ones in Rainbow 2 and Rainbow 4. Also, IMHO, the girls at the NEP bars are not as good looking as the ones in Patpong.

Rainbow 4 is the largest of all the Rainbow bars with two stages. I really enjoyed watching 20-30 girls dance on stage in matching bikinis, but it would have been much better if half of them didn't look like J girls. There's nothing wrong with the J girl look if that's what floats your boat, but it's just not for me. I'm more into the girls with darker skin and long straight hair... those with more of a Thai look.

I finally ended my night at Rainbow 2 and in there, I met a nice looking, dark skin Thai girl with big boobs and a nice big ass dancing like a ho... and boy do I like wathing hos dance. Her name is Oiy and she's #65. I invited her over and bought her a few drinks. The bar fine was 600 B and she wanted 2000 B for ST and 3000 B for LT. She said that was the going rate every girl charged, but I later got her to drop the LT to 2500 B. I bar fined her at about 12:30 AM and we headed straight back to my room at the Majestic Suites because that's where she wanted to go.

Upon arriving in the room, we fooled around a bit with some DFK and me trying to get my daily vitamin D intake directly from her sources 8-). We then hit the shower and boy was I happy to see her nice titties and ass unobstructed by anything. I cleaned her up real good down under because watching her sexy body made me thirsty for her pussy juice, which I later had plenty of.

We warmed up again with some more DFK (I was never really in to that with working girls prior to this visit, but I think with the right girls, I could get hooked). She then gave me one of the best BBBJ I've ever had, keeping the suction mostly toward the top and ocassionally taking it in all the way. I then satisfied my pussy juice urge with some DATY and got her really wet. We screwed around in a few positions for about 20 minutes and I shot my load in her doing the bow wow. It was great grabbing and spreading her huge ass and watching my cock explode in it. She left the room at noon and since I had such a good time with her, I gave her the original 3000 B she wanted.

I made the same rounds of the above three go go bars the next night and I ended up bar fining Oiy again. Despite having blown a load earlier that day at Poseidon, she was able to make me come again (yeah, I'm getting old and I jerk off way too much back home). I gave her 2500 B for this second LT session. A really good GFE experience.

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]

I was told by one of the girls that LBs arent even allowed to hang out in front of the entrance to Nana Plaza. This was due to that old guy getting whacked in those apartments down the street. (Supposedly it was a Katoey who killed him) I think the place is called Omni Towers.

I was there in July and I didnt see any Katoeys on the street on Soi 4. You know they were just the usual places like that bar in Nana plaza. (whatever it is called)


Hopefully it stays that way........


Cheers

RM

[QUOTE=Capt JB]One thing in favor of the Nana Hotel. Ladyboys are not allowed inside the hotel. This excludes them from the disco & lobby bar but outside in the parking lot is another story. You will find a truck load of them in the parking lot.[/QUOTE]Since when is a LB not allowed in Nana Hotel.

I remember a very obvious one in the lift with me when I was visiting a mate not more than 2 years ago. Very tall. Seemed to be following me, but stopped at some guys door and knocked. He was very pleased to see "her" and give a big hug.

Mick

I arrived in Bangkok 3 days after the coup, after spending 9 days in Pattaya. I was shagged out and certainly more exhausted than “Mr. T”, as he had the luxury of a private escape jet and a busload of personal masseuses.

….And before I risk any wrath, please allow me to add that I Love the King.

The last 2 days in Pattaya had been frustrating. My muscles were sore from a combination of lifting heavy weights and doing boomsing with Lek Thais ladies. I was barely able to entertain a romp during my last couple of days by the bay, thanks to marathon fucks and cheap Viagra and daily workouts to appease the guilt of holiday slovenliness. I was tired and sore.

My last day in LOS was to be spent in Nana, owing to the close proximity to the beergarten and BKK airport, in that order, thank you.

I have this stubborn habit of checking out the beergarten at least once per trip. On some trips, I have pulled 3 or 4 from this fine and sleazy environ. But today, it was difficult. I felt that I was in the midst of a never-ending advertisement for Geritol. The girls were, bluntly and for the majority part, long long on the tooth. Looking like they envied their younger sisters who earned better money as cashiers at MBK.

Mind you, the Beergarten has been renovated. Yup-sir-ree sir. They actually enclosed the bar with vertical walls, to stop the rain should it choose to drive sideways. Air Conditioning? No…but the fans with the water misting devices seem to work fine enough so as to maintain a modicum of comfort.

Sometimes, patience is a good thing. It was on this day. Joy walked in, with her white skin, gorgeous face, and perfect body. She proceeded to make known to me with lascivious glances that she was open to coupling. She sent me a hand signal that indicated that she and her pretty friend Koong would like a 3-way. I signaled back that my wallet preferred one-on-one. She nodded, and I sauntered over to sit with her.

Joy was charming to say the least. But she is a spawn of the new breed of Beergarten girls, claiming that they are worth 1500 for ST, as opposed to the 1000 that I have been paying since I have started going to this place. My Cheap Charlie instinct clicked in, and I bid her a nice day. She left shortly thereafter, and I quickly realized she was worth several times what any of the other hopefuls in the BG were asking. I finished my beer, and walked out. BeerGarten girls always go to Gullivers at 5pm, I gambled.

And sure enough, there she sat. She was gobbling down spoonfuls of Ton Yung Goong and pineapple fried rice with her friend at Gulliver’s. I sat beside her, and she immediately offered soup and rice to me. I declined, because I knew that accepting the snack would mean that I would also be accepting the bill in a few minutes. No thanks.

I told Joy straight up, that she turned me on, and I would wait for her to finish her dinner. She stroked my leg, and made me believe that she was happy that I had come looking for her. Her performance was convincing enough for me.

Minutes later, we were showered and then entangled on my Soi 4 hotel bed. Joy was incredible. She deep kissed me like a long lost lover, and was wet as a freshly watered flower. Joy had an unusually large clit, and she liked it licked very slow. Cha Cha….baby.

And then we banged, and banged, and banged. She was at first thrilled with my vigor (you sooo strong). But 15 minutes later, she was struggling to make me come, with the enthusiasm of a horny Thai girl scout. As she apologized for not being “spicy” enough, I tried to explain to her that I was literally shagged out after 9 days in Pattaya. But Joy did not relent, and for the next 90 minutes she did EVERYTHING within her power to get me off. Her devotion to my sexual completion was absolutely exemplary.

A few minutes later, she was draining the last of the Listerene in the bathroom. I tried to give her my best, and perhaps it is a good thing that I drank a lot of pineapple juice for the past week or so.

I personally hate it when guys jack up the market. But Joy made no mention of money as she got dressed, and I could not have imagined giving her any less than 1500 for her admirable efforts. My apologies.

I will be going back to my old habits of staying in Bangkok for at least one day at the start and end of my trips to LOS. I continue to find that there is always at least one gem to be found there, on any given day.

Raz

[QUOTE=Rugby Man]I was told by one of the girls that LBs arent even allowed to hang out in front of the entrance to Nana Plaza. This was due to that old guy getting whacked in those apartments down the street. (Supposedly it was a Katoey who killed him) I think the place is called Omni Towers.

I was there in July and I didnt see any Katoeys on the street on Soi 4. You know they were just the usual places like that bar in Nana plaza. (whatever it is called)


Hopefully it stays that way........
RM[/QUOTE]

I was there last week and the place was crawling with LBs.

This is kind of a long report so I’ll break it up into two parts…

If you enjoy watching 20 some odd girls dance together on a stage in matching bikinis and knee high boots, you owe it to yourself to head out to Patpong. From the three areas I’ve been to in BKK with go go bars (Patpong, NEP and Soi Cowboy – although I’ve never actually been into a go go bar in Soi Cowboy because the girls on the outside are a little too scary looking for me), I like Patpong the most.

Once again, if you’re a public transport man like me, take the BTS to Sala Daeng. Patpong is about a five minute walk along Th Silom, which runs under the BTS tracks, in the direction of the Saphan Taksin BTS. Along with the vice businesses on Patpong are a few bars, restaurants and plenty of other merchants selling a dizzying variety of mostly junk, just as you would find at any other night market.

The bars I’ve frequented are the King’s bars because I’ve never heard any music or seen any attractive girls at any of the other bars. At the intersection of Th Silom and Patpong, walk along the right hand side of Patpong and you will eventually pass King’s Castle, King’s Castle 2 and King’s Corner. A typical night at Patpong for me involves having a drink at Castle and/or Castle 2 and if I see someone I like or if I’m enjoying the music, then I’ll hang around for another drink or two. But my nights always end at King’s Corner because that’s where the pretty girls are and they sure damn know how to dance.

Before I go any further, let you warn you that there are A LOT of LBs at King’s Corner. Some are quite obvious, but others put up a pretty good damn disguise. My LB radar is pretty good… I was in there one night testing my LB radar with one of the waiters and out of about ten not so obvious LBs, I guessed incorrectly only once 8-). If you’re not sure whether the person sitting next to you is a LB, just ask nicely and everything should be okay. Out of all the questionable ones I’ve asked, I’ve only upset one person.

Okay, so now on the meaty stuff… A little fine thang with very short hair caught my attention with her incredibly sexy ho on the pole dance moves. Sorry, I don’t remember her name or her #, but I believe there’s only one little fine thang with very short hair in there… so I’m gonna call her Shorty. I waved her over and bought her a drink, but by the end of the night, I think I might have bought her six or seven. It was all good since she kept me company and showed me a good time. It was almost closing time (2 AM) and she wanted me to bar fine her for 500 B and 3000 B for ST (at a hotel upstairs, I don’t know which one since I didn’t do it). She was hot, but not 3500 B hot for ST so I declined.

She then suggested that we go upstairs to King’s Disco to dance and have a few more drinks (and why not since she’s making money and having fun on the Goober expense account). The night was still young and I was having a ball, so I said, “What the heck, let’s go get giggly!”

When we got upstairs, she introduced me to her friend, whose real name I won’t mention for reasons you’ll soon know, but let’s call her Sala Daeng since I like the way it sounds. I got Sala Daeng a drink and a little bit later on, my waiter buddy also came up so I bought him a drink… and before I knew it, I had a 1500 B bar bill at the disco on top of the 1500 B bar bill from King’s Corner. Oh well, what’s money when you’re having a ball…

Shorty and Sala Daeng wanted me to take both of them home ST for 2000 B a piece. By now, I was a little drunk so I wasn’t sure if I would have been able to enjoy two on one action and I didn’t have the 4000 B so I declined. But nonetheless, I was horny, so I asked Shorty if she’d go with me short time for 2000 B and to my surprise, she said no. She wanted 3000 B for the ST and I was like no way ho! Neither of them spoke very much English so I was negotiating this through a waitress. Even the waitress gave me the look that said, “This is one greedy *****.” She then told me that Sala Daeng would go home with me ST for 2000 B so I agreed and we left Shorty to fine another gold mine to dig.

We walked back to Th Silom and crossed the divider to the other side of the street for a taxi. The taxis on Patpong’s side never want to use their meter so don’t even bother with them. Just get in a taxi on the other side, tell them where you want to go and then make sure they start the meter. If they don’t start their meter, stop the taxi, get out and get another one. I’ve never had a problem with this technique.

So on the ride to my hotel, Sala Daeng was talking to her “friend” in the UK and this is the reason why I’m withholding her identity just in case this “friend” happens to be reading this report 8-). I overheard her say something like, “Sala Daeng no boyfriend, me go home now. Sala Daeng loves you very much. You come back to Bangkok soon. Sala Daeng wait for you.” I just smiled and was happy that I knew enough about this game to avoid this poor chap’s mistake.

To be continued…

Once we got back to my hotel, Sala Daeng, already in a semi-drunken state, wanted to drink more so she asked if she could open the Smirnoff. What the hell since I’ve never screwed a really drunk girl before and thought it would be fun.

After finishing the bottle, we then started to get busy with some DFK. We took the action into the shower where I gave her a good scrub down as quickly as I could since she was tipsy. When we got back on to the bed, she started me off with a decent BBBJ, but after about five minutes, she wanted to laid down because her head was hurting from the booze. I knew the perfect cure for this and it involved me licking her everywhere. A good DATY session got her juices flowing and her **** nice and moist. I then started to bang her and just as I thought earlier on in the night, it wasn’t going to happen for me because I was too liquored up. Oh well, I called it quits after awhile and we went to bed.

I woke up at noon and to my surprise, Sala Daeng was still in my arms. I was drunk last night, but I remembered clearly that I had only bought ST. But since she was still here, I decided to finish off what I wasn’t able to complete last night and had a heck of a good time doing so. We fell back asleep after the sex and didn’t wake up again until 4 PM, at which point, I paid her 2000 B, kissed her goodbye and told her I’d see her again at King’s Corner at night.

I made my way back to King’s Corner that night and since it was my last night in BKK, I wanted to end my trip doing what I like a lot… getting drunk watching 20 girls in white bikinis and knee high, standard issue King’s Castle Ho Boots, dance before me. Shorty and Sala Daeng came over and I bought them a few drinks. After three drinks, I cut Shorty off since I was losing interest in her. I kept Sala Daeng around for a few more drinks and gave her a 500 B tip toward the end. At 2 AM, she asked if I wanted to upstairs to the disco, but I declined since I had to catch a 4 AM taxi to the airport. I jokingly told her that I couldn’t since I didn’t have any more money and she sincerely said, “No problem, Sala Daeng have money”, and pulled out from her boots the money she had made that night. When I left, she took a picture of herself out of her wallet and gave it to me and told me to call her whenever I was in BKK again.

Sala Daeng is really a nice girl and it’s unfortunate I can’t give you guys her identity since she’s an excellent GFE. But if you’re not too lazy and willing to do some work, go find Shorty and tell her to bring her friend who also dances like a ho. Man do I miss BKK…

[QUOTE=Laarman]If you want to be sure and want to avoid a LB go to Eden Club.
I had the sexperience of my life yesterday. You can do everything you ever dreamed of with a real girl[/QUOTE]Might go to Eden some day for a try, but I'm too obsessed with girls that are either a 9 out 10 in facial looks or body (both is OK).

And not at all paranoid about LBs. Have enough experience to avoid them. Last night in Deja Vu bar, a LB was dancing naked. Other LB was not there.

I have to admit the face was quite pretty. But LBs don't seem to be able to dance exactly like a girl. Tits were fake and not nice to my view. Bum was a boys. Pussy job was not that good enough to fool most westerners. Lopsided and too puffy like a ball-sack on each side. Another girl told me the LB had been barfined twice already last night by Japanese. She believed the Westerners pick the LB OK and the Japanese don't. LB was then called over by a Farang (westerner). So she was suprised. But he cuddled and chatted with LB only a short time, before he left. Maybe he woke up just in time.

Also tried Shark bar. No LBs in evidence but the girls were just 5s, 6s, and 7s by that hour both body and face. The best get pinched early I guess.

My regular girl is very nice looking and a very nice girl. So no point to waste money on ordinary girls.

Every girl I go for has to have at least something really superior to interest me. Might be as simple as a fantastic arse. Sometimes I even have to miss out because no-one available meets the required standard.

I am looking for high end model in BKK, I have see a report about this issue where many diffrent places was mention with pro/cons.

Do any have a guiede for finding high end / model (9-10/10) in BKK.

This is not a report. Just thinking that we need more stories about this famous beer garden. I know that for many girls the slogan BEER GARDEN NEVER LET YOU POOR. Its a very important place for freelance to get a farang. Some even got farang bf still haeng around and doing business. Neverless hardly to see report on beergarden. AND GUYS IF CHECKING OUT please try to get pictures may be you must use mobile. Camera not allowed. Of the one hundred there 30% have regular boy friend. I personaly know some that have proudly confirm to me I have three bf they don t know. I make 60. 000 baht a month. Check it out guys and be aware.

[QUOTE=Ks123]I am looking for high end model in BKK, I have see a report about this issue where many diffrent places was mention with pro/cons.

Do any have a guiede for finding high end / model (9-10/10) in BKK.[/QUOTE]

Not sure of your objectives - looking for camera shoot or what?

One suggestion is the side-liners at the MP. You can search Poseidon and see what others post. Another option are the 'private' clubs, eg Pegasus, etc.

I've been a fan of Long Beach on Rama IX and they have a side-line group of higher end girls - from $3,600-6,000 per 90 minutes (and of course make a side deal with them privately)....when you walk in and face the fishbowl, there is a separate area to your right, behind the piano to sit, eat/drink, listen to band and check on 'models'. If you rtff back to June under my posts, I wrote about one model - Joy (aka Minnie) who was drop dead gorgeous (BUT service only 6).

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Might go to Eden some day for a try, but I'm too obsessed with girls that are either a 9 out 10 in facial looks or body (both is OK).

.[/QUOTE]


Looking for a 9-10 at Edens maybe asking too much. Only time I've seen gals rated that high were at other MPs in BKK but never at Edens.--IMO
On the other hand, service at Edens I would rate very high. After all, they are the only place that have a guarantee of not having to pay if you were not satisfied.

PT

[QUOTE=Jeff46]This is not a report. Just thinking that we need more stories about this famous beer garden. I know that for many girls the slogan BEER GARDEN NEVER LET YOU POOR. Its a very important place for freelance to get a farang. Some even got farang bf still haeng around and doing business. Neverless hardly to see report on beergarden. AND GUYS IF CHECKING OUT please try to get pictures may be you must use mobile. Camera not allowed. Of the one hundred there 30% have regular boy friend. I personaly know some that have proudly confirm to me I have three bf they don t know. I make 60. 000 baht a month. Check it out guys and be aware.[/QUOTE]

Only 30%, gee that sounds a bit low. Also sounds like most bars and bargirls in the whole of Bangkok, having a few farang 'boyfreinds', although do be aware a boyfriend to a bar girl is a little different to what it is elsewhere and certainly different to what these boyfriends think.

[QUOTE=Footloose]Recently I was in BKK and had the pleasure of seeing a couple of Uzbek girls. They mill around Grace Hotel, and the Uzbek restaurant downstairs. I spotted at least a dozen of them one night. Some of them are really attractive. One of the ladies I saw, Sxxxh mentioned she is from Afghanistan, looked really attractive but after she shed the clothes could see the C'scar and baby fat, otherwise enjoyable. The second one Jxxxxxa is from Tashkent, had gold teeth-caps, slim and and very polite and gave me a GFE. I only wish I could have spent an entire night with her. She was her late 20's has couple of kids back home.

The girls were complaining that there weren't enough customers. I think the problem may be oversupply. At any rate some of them are quoting 1000B for ST same as the local rate. They may ask 2K or higher but bargain it down to no more than 1.5K.[/QUOTE]Many of them are from Kazakhstan. I can't figure out why they claim to be Uzbek, although some are Uzbek. I overheard two of them talking. Took a really gorgeous girl to my room. Ended up being a lousy lay.

Will be arriving at hotel near Soi Cowboy at about midnight on a Wednesday. Where should one go for freelancers, especially if I don't get out until after the clubs close?

Thank you.

Jeff:

If you took the time to look down the page, you will see that I posted about the Beergarten/ Beergarden very recently. Do a search. Try both keywords "Beergarten" and "Beergarden". You will come up with tons of information.

I go to the Beergarten to relax and get laid, not to be anyone's personal photo journalist. Sorry. And I couldn't care less how many of these girls have a naive European or Aussie boyfriend who is sending them loads of cash in hopes that they won't be doing the nasty thing when he is not there. In fact, I hope that these naive guys continue to send them cash, because then they are more likely to accept my measely 1,000 Baht for ST (yes, I know I paid 1,500 for the one in my last report, but she was a fucking star).

Sorry if I was too harsh, but you opened the door;
Raz

[QUOTE=Jeff46]This is not a report. Just thinking that we need more stories about this famous beer garden. I know that for many girls the slogan BEER GARDEN NEVER LET YOU POOR. Its a very important place for freelance to get a farang. Some even got farang bf still haeng around and doing business. Neverless hardly to see report on beergarden. AND GUYS IF CHECKING OUT please try to get pictures may be you must use mobile. Camera not allowed. Of the one hundred there 30% have regular boy friend. I personaly know some that have proudly confirm to me I have three bf they don t know. I make 60. 000 baht a month. Check it out guys and be aware.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jeff46]This is not a report. Just thinking that we need more stories about this famous beer garden. I know that for many girls the slogan BEER GARDEN NEVER LET YOU POOR. Its a very important place for freelance to get a farang. Some even got farang bf still haeng around and doing business. Neverless hardly to see report on beergarden. AND GUYS IF CHECKING OUT please try to get pictures may be you must use mobile. Camera not allowed. Of the one hundred there 30% have regular boy friend. I personaly know some that have proudly confirm to me I have three bf they don t know. I make 60. 000 baht a month. Check it out guys and be aware.[/QUOTE]

Not sure about your intention.
Beergarden is full of different customers all day long. During lunchtime there might be the farang office workers either just to have lunch and breaktime or looking for a lunch break fuck (especially those expats with families at home and beeing 'grounded' in the evening). Tourist mongers are there all days long.

Women as well. Maybe 65-70% is the female rate. Females of all classes, but not so many of the high class (as well as the majority customers are not necessarily the high class hig pay for lookers).

Regarding the Thai gilrs with boyfriends in the meaning of 'continuous money flow', this Thai typical arrangement is not limited to beergarden.

Regarding photos, I didn't know about photo not permitted in beergarden and I shot some without having somebody stopping me.

But your question sounds strange, it sounds you are asking for photos to convict such people for evidence, of their lying, for some speculation and probably mainly to satisfy your voyeurism. Or do you have such a girlfriend yourself and want to have it proved this way?

However I would never publish any photos here showing clear faces, either from girls or any male guest beeing occasionally in the picture.
This should be common sense for all mongers. Protect ourselves!

What the girls do and arrange with their stupid customers is not my business and not my mission to convict them cheating. If they make huge money that way, I don't envoy it.

I guess you will find nobody satisfying your needs. If you rtff you will find many strories which started in the beergarden. And that's all about it. It's a pick up place for P4P and not a foto studio (and a not so bad restaurant too if you like german oriented food).

Think about your motivation.

regards

Brain666

[QUOTE=Amritsar]Will be arriving at hotel near Soi Cowboy at about midnight on a Wednesday. Where should one go for freelancers, especially if I don't get out until after the clubs close?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]

This is an easy one: just head directly to the parking lot of the Nana Hotel on Sukhumvit Soi 4.

[QUOTE=Ks123]I am looking for high end model in BKK, I have see a report about this issue where many diffrent places was mention with pro/cons.

Do any have a guiede for finding high end / model (9-10/10) in BKK.[/QUOTE]

I would recommend the Pegagus at about 8 p.m. It's a private club and you will have to buy a temporary membership (not that expensive for what you are looking for). There are three classes of girls: the regulars (better than Bier Garten girls), the intermediate (not bad) and the models. It's been a few years since I was a member and at the time the member prices were 2,000, 3,000 and 4,000 for a short time. And you can take the girls from the club. I don't think it costs any extra to do so. I never took one because I always used the rooms they maintained upstairs in the club.

You can also try Spaso's night club in the Hayatt Grand Erawan. There are some good looking girls working there; but, I am not sure if it's worth the trouble.

last year before i got a nasty virus in my computer(had to get my whole computer cleaned ..wiped out everything i had on it) i had a site that had a cam that was showing the inside of a bar in bangkok, the cam wasnt that great but it did show some working girls sitting around this bar , and it gave you a little of the feel of a bangkok bar....i have yet to visit thailand but i will someday soon...all of my mongering trips have been to T.J. and SAN JOSE so i guess you could say i am in training !! anyway if anyone has any info of one of these cams ....i thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=Tulip777]Many of them are from Kazakhstan. I can't figure out why they claim to be Uzbek, although some are Uzbek. I overheard two of them talking. Took a really gorgeous girl to my room. Ended up being a lousy lay.[/QUOTE]

With all the problems in the middle east i have noticed more than your normal supply of russians in HK this month, by the looks of it they are down in bangkok as well.
I am a Beijing lad and have had a regular western Uzbek or Russian friend in that fine town for at least the last 2 years - once you get to know them they can be great. They can also look great as well. But i do admit the service level is very different from the local girls. The Russians don't make you feel like a 19th century english Lord. However i may drop down to the Grace hotel this week to check out the talent - but only to look. I come to the thailand to spend time with local girls - as i personally feel that Thai girls are best - closley followed by Mongolians. They really give you an excellent GF effect, without you needing to spend a massive amount of time and effort - which is the case with Uzbek girls.
But for those who want a change, perhaps this is a good time to try a russian in bangkok?

[QUOTE=Ks123]I am looking for high end model in BKK, I have see a report about this issue where many diffrent places was mention with pro/cons.

Do any have a guiede for finding high end / model (9-10/10) in BKK.[/QUOTE]
As Retired Army has already posted, try Pegasus. You could also try Cleopatra's, or any of the high class local Thai places such as Long Beach on Rama IX. I remember Cleopatra's or posibly Long Beach (I can't clearly remember) has a special class (can't remember its name) which was for a 19-20 year old super model. From memory this was 10,000baht for 24 hours. I never tried this service, but my Korean friends did and when i saw her i must admit she was gorgeous, she was about 180cm tall, which i also find rather appealing. There is a bar in patpong, the north/west side, which has a lot of free lancers – some of them are excellent – but you need to avoid the LB's. I will try and get the name of it and edit this posting for you.

[QUOTE=Sebastian My]With all the problems in the middle east i have noticed more than your normal supply of russians in HK this month, by the looks of it they are down in bangkok as well.

I am a Beijing lad and have had a regular Uzbek or Russian friend in that fine town for at least the last 2 years - once you get to know them they can be great. They can also look great as well. But i do admit the service level is very different from the local girls. The Russians don't make you feel like a 19th century english Lord. However i may drop down to the Grace hotel this week to check out the talent - but only to look. I come to the thailand to spend time with local girls - as i personally feel that Thai girls are best - closley followed by Mongolians. They really give you an excellent GF effect, without you needing to spend a massive amount of time and effort - which is the case with Uzbek girls.

But for those who want a change, perhaps this is a good time to try a russian in bangkok?[/QUOTE]I have been in BKK for about a week, staying on Soi 11. Next to Tangs Terrace, there is a small coffee shop in a shopping center (there is a pharmacy next to it). For the past 3 days straight I've observed 3 russian chicks hangging out. Apparently waiting for customers. They dont call you out like the Thai girls, and I have never approached them.

[QUOTE=Sebastian My]As Retired Army has already posted, try Pegasus. You could also try Cleopatra's, or any of the high class local Thai places. I remember Cleopatra's has a special class (can't remember its name) which was for a 19-20 year old super model. From memory this was 10,000baht for 24 hours. I never tried this service, but my Korean friends did and when i saw her i must admit she was gorgeous, she was about 170cm tall, which i also find rather appealing. There is a bar in patpong, the north/west side, which has a lot of free lancers – some of them are excellent – but you need to avoid the LB's. I will try and get the name of it and edit this posting for you.[/QUOTE]

The problem with Cleopatra's is that you never know what you will get until they show up at your door. At least at Pegagus you can see and talk to the girl before deciding.

If you want an escort service you might consider Bangkok Gentlemen's Club. I had outstanding experiences through them until once when they sent a Russian scag freak. I haven't used them since.

[QUOTE=Jeff46]This is not a report. Just thinking that we need more stories about this famous beer garden. I know that for many girls the slogan BEER GARDEN NEVER LET YOU POOR. Its a very important place for freelance to get a farang. Some even got farang bf still haeng around and doing business. Neverless hardly to see report on beergarden. AND GUYS IF CHECKING OUT please try to get pictures may be you must use mobile. Camera not allowed. Of the one hundred there 30% have regular boy friend. I personaly know some that have proudly confirm to me I have three bf they don t know. I make 60. 000 baht a month. Check it out guys and be aware.[/QUOTE]Men who send money to these girls are loosers who should be castrated and only then deported from Thailand. Everything they touch turns to crap. It's because of them we are being perceived as weak and stupid. Having a 1000B tip demanded in LOS is a sign of contempt and disrespect and foreign men are disrespected more and more with each new money tranfer. And anyone who thinks it has no affect on the market must have their head up their butt.

[QUOTE=Sebastian My]With all the problems in the middle east i have noticed more than your normal supply of russians in HK this month, by the looks of it they are down in bangkok as well.

I am a Beijing lad and have had a regular Uzbek or Russian friend in that fine town for at least the last 2 years - once you get to know them they can be great. They can also look great as well. But i do admit the service level is very different from the local girls. The Russians don't make you feel like a 19th century english Lord. However i may drop down to the Grace hotel this week to check out the talent - but only to look. I come to the thailand to spend time with local girls - as i personally feel that Thai girls are best - closley followed by Mongolians. They really give you an excellent GF effect, without you needing to spend a massive amount of time and effort - which is the case with Uzbek girls.

But for those who want a change, perhaps this is a good time to try a russian in bangkok?[/QUOTE]I see what you mean. The problem with Uzbek and Kazakh girls is that they only look Asian. Their mentality is very Russian. Many of them do leave you with that "western ***** taste" in your mouth.

[QUOTE=Tulip777]Men who send money to these girls are loosers who should be castrated and only then deported from Thailand. Everything they touch turns to crap. It's because of them we are being perceived as weak and stupid. Having a 1000B tip demanded in LOS is a sign of contempt and disrespect and foreign men are disrespected more and more with each new money tranfer. And anyone who thinks it has no affect on the market must have their head up their butt.[/QUOTE]

Gee - testy aren't we? (what some other idiot does has no effect on what this idiot does - personally, I P4S - that's "pay for service". Most farang ARE weak and stupid** - particularly the ones who think with the little head - the old term was "pussy whipped" ** weak and stupid being relative, of course, it's meant in the "whipped" sense)

I haven't been to BKK in a few years. The basement of the fancy Novatel Hotel in Siam Square had a disco with a lot of nice semi pros plus regular girls. Just wondering if that disco it is still a good place to meet semi-pros or pros. If so, do some of them do all nite with mongers? Any idea of the prices for ST and for LT?

[QUOTE=Goober]
The bars I’ve frequented are the King’s bars because I’ve never heard any music or seen any attractive girls at any of the other bars. At the intersection of Th Silom and Patpong, walk along the right hand side of Patpong and you will eventually pass King’s Castle, King’s Castle 2 and King’s Corner. A typical night at Patpong for me involves having a drink at Castle and/or Castle 2 and if I see someone I like or if I’m enjoying the music, then I’ll hang around for another drink or two. But my nights always end at King’s Corner because that’s where the pretty girls are and they sure damn know how to dance.

Before I go any further, let you warn you that there are A LOT of LBs at King’s Corner. Some are quite obvious, but others put up a pretty good damn disguise. My LB radar is pretty good… I was in there one night testing my LB radar with one of the waiters and out of about ten not so obvious LBs, I guessed incorrectly only once 8-). If you’re not sure whether the person sitting next to you is a LB, just ask nicely and everything should be okay. Out of all the questionable ones I’ve asked, I’ve only upset one person.

I was horny, so I asked Shorty if she’d go with me short time for 2000 B and to my surprise, she said no. She wanted 3000 B for the ST and I was like no way ho! Neither of them spoke very much English so I was negotiating this through a waitress. Even the waitress gave me the look that said, “This is one greedy *****.”
[/QUOTE]

I think i know the bar you are talking about (I will verify the name tonight). If i am correct this is the best place to find a gorgious thai (or issam) girl and is my normal model hunting ground. I also agree with the LB warning, this place is full of them so i normally spend a long time checking out the hip movements to make sure they are actually women before i talk to them. So far i have never made an error, but i do a lot of checking. I normally find talking them to spasso's, where the guard asks for ID a good final test. But the point of my posting is the greed factor. While gorgious i have found the greediest women work in this bar. A lot of them are real part timers who only work when they need a lazy 5,000baht, thus they often don't care if they do not get a customer for one night, as they only need a job or two a week to keep them happy. So while you always need to keep the LB rador on, keep your greed radar on also. If the greed radar register's get your terms and conditions defined carefully before you move on to the final stage. But they are nice - i have even found real thai girls working their - and they were gorgious. But almost without exception i have found the service level drops as the looks increase.

[QUOTE=Henry R]I haven't been to BKK in a few years. The basement of the fancy Novatel Hotel in Siam Square had a disco with a lot of nice semi pros plus regular girls. ... [/QUOTE]Henry R,

better to expect highly professional pros in there - many of the girls there are in the international traveling scene. You find them in Singapore, Hongkong, Phuket and CM2 / Spasso. This girls really know how to play the game. Semi pros would be a kind if understatement, in my POV.

BTW: There is the socalled "red corner" in CM2, where you can find the Russian professional "semi-pros"...

And if you are lucky you can find "regulars" there, as everywhere in Bangkok discos - but expecially in CM2 it is highly unlikely to find non-pros.


Giotto

Much to my chagrin, after paying a 1650 bhat entrance fee for my gf, her pal, and I CM2 shut down about an hour after our arrival. While I saw no (real) Russians in the house, i did see quite a few ethnic Russians and mixes thereof from Uzbekistan there--there were also a smattering of Colombian women of rather average, but still fuckable, quality roaming about. The women all asked 8,000 bhat but one may be able to negotiate as the disco approaches clsoing time. The girls were OK, but by now means impressive to me as a resident of EE. My girl was the hottest in there which lead to near fistacuffs with some arabs who intimated that she was for sale. Although I'm not too impressed with the beauty of the Thai ladies, I am grateful to the security staff there who took my side and diffused a potentially problematic situation. I will try and snap some pictures tonight of the wares.

I always enjoyed the FULL Service massage and female companionship at the Amari Hotel at the old airport whenever I arrived there for an overnight.

Does anyone know if the new airport hotel (Novotel) will have the same amenities?

Usually find good quality and value at Nana Plaza. This time may not have enough time as I'm only passing thru the new airport. Any suggestion on hunting grounds near by? I assume the new airport is further than the old one.

[QUOTE=Tulip777]Men who send money to these girls are loosers who should be castrated and only then deported from Thailand. Everything they touch turns to crap. It's because of them we are being perceived as weak and stupid. Having a 1000B tip demanded in LOS is a sign of contempt and disrespect and foreign men are disrespected more and more with each new money tranfer. And anyone who thinks it has no affect on the market must have their head up their butt.[/QUOTE]To Brain 666 and Rasspeutin this is what I mean with my soi 7 biergarden thinking. Sorry my english is not so good that I can writt done what I want to tell yes those guys who sponsor same hooker girl make us look stupid in the eyes of all thai people and yet we are not stupid. I just wanted to warn a bit those guys. THEY may not be aware want kind of damage they are doing. THIS IS not a advertise but they should read the book. Private dancer.

i will be providing a short write-up on poseidon, tarawadee & pegasus as well as information about my regular contact, i.e. mamasan/papasan there. for infrequent patrons who don’t speak thai, a good mamasan/papasan is a valuable resource. an inability to speak the local language means you can’t really negotiate with, let alone charm the ladies. furthermore, some of the ladies might be tempted to give the clueless monger crappy service, having a good mamasan/papasan on your side sometimes serves as a deterrent.

for me, a good mamasan/papasan must be:

a) able to speak english (thai is a really tough language to learn, lol)
b) hardworking (some of them seem more interested in watching tv)
c) consistently present (do they hire part-timers?)
d) able to point out the performers
e) respected by the ladies

disclaimer: as with the ladies, your experience with the mamasan/papasan is ymmv. but they’re all there to provide a service for money, so long as you reward them accordingly and show them due respect, all should be fine.

poseidon 2nd floor

the standard of the fish tank ladies has fallen somewhat. these days, i usually head for the model lounge except when i feel a need for more liberal services such as dfk, bbbj, > 2 fs. most of the ladies here will provide such services so long as you have negotiated for it beforehand. but be a nice monger and don’t shortchange the lady if she delivers. for those into even more liberal services like cim, anal, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118][CodeWord118][/url], it might be best to broach the subject once the ladies have gotten to know you better.

regular contact: a plump, middle-aged chap, papasan anu-cha has absolutely no qualms about negotiating with the ladies for extras. so long as you treat anu-cha right (2-300 baht tip), he’s quite good at negotiating and steering you towards the better ones. only problem is that he can be overly persistent in pushing you to go for a girl but so long as you’re firm about what you want, there shouldn’t be any problems.

poseidon 3rd floor

liberal services are not common among the models but there’s more to good service than a bbbj, right? several notable models include pie (speaks english), c, ta (retired?), cherry (retired?). think pie’s good friend, the model with the longish face is quite a performer too. apparently she’s popular with the locals but never tried her since she’s not my type. in demand are the ‘fresh’ girls who have never worked in any mp before. do book early if that’s your cup of tea.

sometimes, i like to book a double session and have my dinner in the room. the food here is quite good. a single vip room cost an extra 500 baht per session and comes with ktv set and a sauna. you can also request for the renovated rooms at no extra cost, much nicer.

regular contact: mamasan ja-ai’s quite a cutie. i’ve never asked her out but i’m sure many mongers have tried and failed. i once asked her to negotiate for more liberal services with the models but she simply gave me a blank look so i’ve never really pushed for it. but she’s quite good about pointing out those with good attitudes. be nice to her because the other mamasans here aren’t all that great to work with and definitely not as charming.

tarawadee ([url]www.tarawadee.com[/url])

tarawadee’s located in a more remote location not serviced by the skytrain or mrta. unlike the ratchada area, one can’t do mp hopping here; if the selection at tarawadee isn’t what you expected, it’s a long cab ride to another mp. however, during my last visit three months back, i found the ladies here esp. the models more attractive than poseidon’s. btw, i’m not a fan of the other high-priced mps like utopia, emmanuelle, caesar (as usual, one man’s meat is another’s…….)

as mentioned in earlier posts, tarawadee is frequented mainly by thais. imho, the resultant effect is consistently better service and being able to get away with smaller tips. unfortunately, one also has to move faster here than in other mps; the locals often arrive in groups for dinner & drinks and have the ladies accompany them during then before heading up to the rooms (seems time can be extended in 30 mins increments). so if you miss out on a lady, it’s often more than just a 1.5 hr wait. the locals, being more familiar with the scene also move faster in their selections unlike us foreign mongers.

regular contact: papasan jacky speaks passable english but i usually converse with him in mandarin. do note that my patronage of tarawadee is quite recent so i can’t fully vouch for jacky. i have long heard of tarawadee but the remote location was a major turn off, now i wish i had made the trek earlier. still, most of the mamasans & papasans here appear to have a positive service attitude.

pegasus

if your taxi driver doesn’t know how to get here, tell him soi cowboy and once you’re in the soi, do a right turn before taipan hotel.

pegasus or pi-kar-sart as the locals call it is kind of like a high class mp except it’s designed for take-out. i usually sit outside and watch the show but there are private karaoke rooms if that’s your thing. décor is opulent and there’s a daily live band with fashion shows on thursdays.

i’ve seen some sloppily dressed guys here so don’t think they have a strict dress code but pegasus is an upmarket place so it’s only polite not to ruin the ambience and to at least wear a polo-t and leave the t-shirts and bermudas at home.

the ladies are attractive but not quite at the level of the models at poseidon or tarawadee. most of the ladies at pegasus are available for take-out with the rest just for interaction within the club although for the right price, i’m sure they can be persuaded otherwise. while take-out can be either short or long time, i have always opted for long time. long time includes two fs and technically ends at 6-7am the next morning but you can speak to the mamasan/ papasan about having the lady leave later, no guarantees though.

needless to say, the probability of liberal services increases with the newer ladies. most seem to be comfortable with dfk, bbbj is really ymmv; i’m a firm believer that ladies generally perform better in bed for guys who show some class. don’t let the ladies push you around but do try to be nice to them.

memberships can be purchased for 30,000 baht/yr and comes with a certain number of bottles and barfine credits (u can choose your combo of bottles vs. credits) in addition to discounts on private rooms, ladies drinks. the memberships can be cost-effective if you buy it together with a group of friends or like hanging out at pegasus for drinks since the ambience is excellent. for example, many of the hong kongers, japanese and taiwanese come in groups and patronize pegasus just like they would a ktv, spending hours in their private rooms and drinking like fishes.

i used to be a member but find it more cost-effective now to just pay the regular rates since i don’t really drink or use the private rooms. this is not the place to start ordering loads of drinks without a membership.

regular contact: papasan jorge (pronounced as georgie) is one of the senior papasans at pegasus. he’s sort of effeminate; so long as that doesn’t bother you, he’s a great guy to have on your side. don’t think jorge is comfortable negotiating for more liberal services with the ladies; he’s more into hinting which ladies are the better ones these days.

[size=-2][b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]click here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]

Finally managed to check out the infamous Eden after numerous trip to Thailand. Long story short:

Name: Yumi or Yuki
Looks: 7
BJ: 7
FJ: 9
Girl on girl: 8
GFE: 9

Name: Don't remember
Looks: 5.5
BJ: 6
FJ: 7
Girl on girl: 6
GFE: 6

Overall, a very satisfying and worthwhile experience. Will definitely return. Yumi was the active one (and more experience) of the 2. Very accommodating and prettier. Definitely will get her the next time round.

Arrived Bangkok last week for two days.

Arrived late and was staying at Nova Lotus. Tried their massage service. Wonderful. Extra was offered with a HJ for only 500b.

Next day after all the meetings, was invited to a 'no hands' dinner. This place is where you are fed by pretty and beautiful hostess (though a lot of them with implants). Nevertheless a great experience. Girls (700b a piece) sit with you and feed you. I had Mini with me. You can touch and feel them all the way.

Decided to pick the girl that fed me. Price - 2000b LT. Was great in room. Very accomodating in any and every position. Had two pops for the duration. Did not want to leave.

Next day at 6.00 pm she showed up in the room without any invitation. Asked to service me but declined as I had to meet my people. So no time that day. Overall a wonderful experience.

[QUOTE=Crust]Arrived Bangkok last week for two days.

Arrived late and was staying at Nova Lotus. Tried their massage service. Wonderful. Extra was offered with a HJ for only 500b.

Next day after all the meetings, was invited to a 'no hands' dinner. This place is where you are fed by pretty and beautiful hostess (though a lot of them with implants). Nevertheless a great experience. Girls (700b a piece) sit with you and feed you. I had Mini with me. You can touch and feel them all the way.

Decided to pick the girl that fed me. Price - 2000b LT. Was great in room. Very accomodating in any and every position. Had two pops for the duration. Did not want to leave.

Next day at 6.00 pm she showed up in the room without any invitation. Asked to service me but declined as I had to meet my people. So no time that day. Overall a wonderful experience.[/QUOTE]


Where exactly is this place and what is the name?

having arrived back from bangkok last week i thought i'd say thanks to the people who advised me prior to going. - yes, i was there during and following the military putsch, and it was actually quite a hoot: nothing nasty happened, but following the event bkk largely emptied of tourists, so one could walk around in the sukhumvit neighbourhood enjoying a 5:1 (at least!) girl-to-monger ratio.

posters on this board were absolutely right in warning me about my attitude to lt relationships. i'm more used to east european girls who, for the right price, will turn into sex acrobats in your hotel room or appartment for as long as you like, but who will be rather embarassed if you suggest that they should hang with you in the city's cafes and restaurants. i now know that thai girls are rather the opposite: what they look for is a sort of short-term sugar daddy. which is fine and which is what i did this time in bkk, but...

...it does give me a small problem as i don't like socialising with people who speak an even poorer english than i (it's my third foreign language) and with whom i cannot discuss topics that interest me. i offered dinner and drinks to several adult (well...?) women whose contribution to the conversation was "thaksin bad. he no like king!" and other similar pearls of intelligent conversation. a bit boring, in my view, but if that's the rules of the game that's how one has to play.

on the issue of the "action", i was pleasantly surprised by the sub-culture that seems to be developing around eden on soi 7/1 and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] on soi 8. both of them offer good value in the afternoon, which is good news for jetlagged travellers. some of the massage places on 7/1 seem to offer only massage, but in others (including aviva on 8) i got both an excellent, professional massage and a fs additional service at the end for a quite reasonable price.

regarding gogos i'd say soi cowboy continues to exceed nana plaza. - nana looks so run down these days and, as we all know, the nifty shows and undressed dancing is limited to (certain) bars in cowboy. i spent a very agreeable night with a dancer from deja vu (2,500 lt) whom i met on my way to the restrooms and who instantly stripped down to win my custom.

i was negatively surprised by the famed bj bar on patpong 2 (whazzzename?) which has been renovated in highschool cantine style with vinyl counters, no intimacy and action confined to a couple of small cubicles. i was also negatively surprised by annie's mp (though one never expects too much from this place). a first visit brought me a goodlooking isaan girl who was "willing" but knew nothing about massage. a second visit brought me a sub-mamasan who would not let me pick the girl i fancied: "no-no, this one very good! you pick her!" a third visit never took place.

i also dropped in on the "russian scene" which these days appears to focus on late night dancing in hotel grace (non-arabs are not the target group of the girls, i should stress) and earlier in the evening in rajah hotel's coffee shop. the girls in the latter place are short-timers. good looking but afraid of being seen outside the hotel. i take it they cater to japanese tourists and the prices reflect this: 3,000 st!

i should end on a positive note and say that some of my best experiences were with not-so young girls from the smaller bars on soi 4. that's where i found "my match" in english speaking and in witticisms "oh you haven't played go? does that mean, not today?" and where i eventually found a petite, sweet tempered and hardf***ing women in her early 30s to keep me company during my sightseeing and in my hotel room. i didn't plan it, but... she almost made me forget that i don't like sugar-daddy relationships. ;-)

[QUOTE=Giotto]Henry R,

better to expect highly professional pros in there - many of the girls there are in the international traveling scene. You find them in Singapore, Hongkong, Phuket and CM2 / Spasso. This girls really know how to play the game. Semi pros would be a kind if understatement, in my POV.

BTW: There is the socalled "red corner" in CM2, where you can find the Russian professional "semi-pros"...

And if you are lucky you can find "regulars" there, as everywhere in Bangkok discos - but expecially in CM2 it is highly unlikely to find non-pros.


Giotto[/QUOTE]

I guess that disco has changed. There were a lot of regular girls there when I was there about five years ago. Plus there were a lot of semi-pros who had a day job but wanted some extra income. Is there any disco now in BKK that is like that?

[QUOTE=Paulothai]Hi Crust,
First of all i hope you enjoyed the food too !

What is the name of this restaurant and where is it.[/QUOTE]


My guess is this is the place arround the corner from the JW Marriott.

Exit the Marriott and head towards Nana. Its right befor the English pub on the right hand side.

Ladies are in nice dresses and stand outside pulling men inside.

[QUOTE=Rebad]My guess is this is the place arround the corner from the JW Marriott.

Exit the Marriott and head towards Nana. Its right befor the English pub on the right hand side.

Ladies are in nice dresses and stand outside pulling men inside.[/QUOTE]No, there was one, but it closed down approx. 2 years ago. There is now the Champagne Lounge in there.

As I know the only No-Hand restaurant here in Bangkok is close to Patpong, but I have never been there.


Giotto

PS: Here a map: [URL]http://th.pagenation.com/bkk/No%20Hands_100.5306_13.7319.map[/URL]

[QUOTE=Crust]
Decided to pick the girl that fed me. Price - 2000b LT. Was great in room. Very accomodating in any and every position. Had two pops for the duration. Did not want to leave...
.[/QUOTE]

Good story to read. How great those pros are these days. And to all of us: we are realy lucky to find affordable chicks that do a nice pop for the money.

As far as my exprience goes: at the end of the day the most expensive services are the non pro services. This matters all over the world. Africa, asia and at home. And marriage is the ultimate financial overkill. Go pro or go broke !

[QUOTE=Giotto]No, there was one, but it closed down approx. 2 years ago. There is now the Champagne Lounge in there.

As I know the only No-Hand restaurant here in Bangkok is close to Patpong, but I have never been there.


Giotto

PS: Here a map: [URL]http://th.pagenation.com/bkk/No%20Hands_100.5306_13.7319.map[/URL][/QUOTE]

The Thai guy I work with in Bangkok took me to that restaurant a year or two ago. I can't remember exactly where it was, but it was down that way somewhere. Because it was a "business dinner" and at the time I had my Thai GF waiting for me back in the hotel, I passed on take out afterwards. Actually the whole dinner was a bit sedate.

But there was plenty of opportunity. When you went into the place there was a fishbowl and you picked your girl. She sat at the table in a private room with you and fed you. The girls were quite willing to strip down during the dinner. I kind of kick myslelf because we all held back so much. I would love to go back and try it again.

Might be something I would consider during my next trip in a couple of weeks for some slow night.

[QUOTE=Tulip777]Men who send money to these girls are loosers who should be castrated and only then deported from Thailand. Everything they touch turns to crap. It's because of them we are being perceived as weak and stupid. Having a 1000B tip demanded in LOS is a sign of contempt and disrespect and foreign men are disrespected more and more with each new money tranfer. And anyone who thinks it has no affect on the market must have their head up their butt.[/QUOTE]What percentage of quality girls in Bangkok want to fuck some old ugly stinky slease for less than 1000 Baht? It just just ain't worth their while.

They could get a damaged uterus at any occasion and be out of action for many days including doctors fees.

Girls who expect 1000 Baht are indicating a level of self respect rather than disrespect for mongers. They aren't willing to peddle themselves for peanuts.
They can most likely get some other person who will pay that 1000 or more, unless very quiet times or they are very average. Girls don't respect "stingy bastards" any more than the guys they have conned into sending money on some bullshit story about the mother in hospital (which may occasionally be true). Usually girls who make up bull can be found out quickly enough by just a little intellegent checking unless they are extremely brilliant liars.

OK years ago you get a girl for the whole night for 300 Baht or less but times have changed. For really cheap prices or all free, you might want to try Africa.

I fortunately learn't the lesson of a girl with many boyfriends on my very first trip to Thailand, before wasting lots of money on her.

I now support an honest girlfriend in Thailand who doesn't work at all other than being a housewife and a mother and mostly stays at home. She is definitely more honest than me. What more can I expect?

The level of honesty in Thai girls varies tremendously, as with any country, with bar girls being the least believable category I guess. I have no intention to split with my girl, ever. If I don't support her, she has no choice but to get money from somewhere, however hard that may be.

I once had a girlfriend in a Soapie. I did not require her to stop working so never believed she was mine or I was hers exclusively, but she was almost always available out of work hours. I never got much bullshit from her and I never asked her questions that could awkward to answer truthfully. In 3 years I only ever once sent money in a special circumstance, but paid her appropriate amounts to compensate whenever I didn't want her to work. All was fair and understood. I knew she was money oriented after hardships rasing her daughter and mother after her husband died. She did wonder how come I didn't buy her a house and send ther a monthly salary, but I wasn't sure enough to do that. In the end we split up anyway, so no harm done other than I wasted 3 years being interested in a girl not quite suitable.

I try to respect as many girls in as possible in Thailand, no matter what their station. They aren't purely flesh for fucking.

I am hoping someone here can tell me if it is possible to get a chinese visa in while I am visiting Bangkok.

If so, can it be done in one day and who would I contact? Travel agancies?

Thanks in advance for any help.

[QUOTE=Dolphin12]
As far as my exprience goes: at the end of the day the most expensive services are the non pro services. This matters all over the world. Africa, asia and at home. And marriage is the ultimate financial overkill. Go pro or go broke ![/QUOTE]


As my pappy used to say: it if flies, floats or fucks it's cheaper to rent.

[QUOTE=Paulothai]Hi Crust,

First of all i hope you enjoyed the food too !

What is the name of this restaurant and where is it.[/QUOTE]I have been to this place a few times, in the past it is known as GALAXY and is located just behind Montien Hotel along Rama 4 road.

Gleneagle

Here's some info on the subject, from an earlier post:

[URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=493263&postcount=1104]Galaxy No Hands[/URL]

It's always been a very overrated concept, IMHO.

Evil

Has anyone ever come across a restaurant where the dinner buffet is displayed on and self served off of, a nude woman? I saw a program on TV talking about it a while back and the talk about No Hand restaurants reminded me.

nocbj4me

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I try to respect as many girls in as possible in Thailand, no matter what their station. They aren't purely flesh for fucking.[/QUOTE]


Agree !

I have a friend that i know continues to work in Singapore on occasion, and runs adverts in the Bkk magazine and Post for massage. I understand and know what are her financial imperatives, and know that she can't get by on any other career paths that might be available to her.

So what i have found is that if i don't kid myself about her realities, she doesn't need to start with lies - and then we get on and have a great time every time i meet her!

:-)

Ozirob

The place is called Galaxy no hands rest.

Address: 19 Rama 4 Road, Samyarn, Bangrak, Bangkok.
Tel: 0-2235-5000-9

Website: [url]www.galaxyentertainment.freeservers.com[/url]

Good luck guys!!

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Based on what G and you are saying, then this newbie Crust is a ringer and made up his post? He said just landed a few days ago and tried this place out....:(

Must be Laarman's other half...RLMAO[/QUOTE]Go and read my last report.

I am wondering if there are any places that have the fairer skinned, bigger breasted Northern Thai girls in Bangkok. I really like their looks and there are a few places in Pattay that seem ot have them, but was curious about any MPs or beer bars that might have them.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Sad Sam]I am wondering if there are any places that have the fairer skinned, bigger breasted Northern Thai girls in Bangkok. I really like their looks and there are a few places in Pattay that seem ot have them, but was curious about any MPs or beer bars that might have them.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

Sam,

If you want Northern girls why don't you go to the North? Chiang Mai has plenty of them. You sound like the kind of guy who would go to Kansas City, the cattle capital in the middle of the U.S., and order fish at a steak restaurant.

[QUOTE=ChiefThinker]I am hoping someone here can tell me if it is possible to get a chinese visa in while I am visiting Bangkok.

If so, can it be done in one day and who would I contact? Travel agancies?

Thanks in advance for any help.[/QUOTE]Yes it is possible. It is quicker if you only request a single entry visa. This takes about 3 to 4 days. It is best going through a travel agent. A good one can get a Chinese visa in 1 day but it will cost a lot more by way of an "extra charge".

[QUOTE=Crust]Go and read my last report.[/QUOTE]

Sorry about that - my error and I take full responsibility. Glad the place is still around and you had good time.

Retired Army,

That would obviously be logical. However, I am in Bangkok in transit and have about 12 hours. So, would be impossible for me to go up north, and that is why I was posing the question to the forum.

[QUOTE=Sad Sam]Retired Army,

That would obviously be logical. However, I am in Bangkok in transit and have about 12 hours. So, would be impossible for me to go up north, and that is why I was posing the question to the forum.[/QUOTE]


Then your best bet will be to try some of the higher end MPs as they often employ lighter skin northern gals catering to the asian crowds. You can get more info on the BKK massage parlor thread.
ex: Poseidon MP is a good start.

PT

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]Has anyone ever come across a restaurant where the dinner buffet is displayed on and self served off of, a nude woman? I saw a program on TV talking about it a while back and the talk about No Hand restaurants reminded me.

nocbj4me[/QUOTE]The show was about a catering service not an actual restaurant location. here is the link:

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95241,00.html[/url]

I arrived wednesday at 1300 on day six at the new BKK airport. I had feared long walks, long lines at immigration and a long wait at the luggage belt. But I experienced pleasant walk on moving sidewalks in a nice new airport, no line at immigration, a ten minuttes wait for my suitcase and the old "get a taxi at the departures level". The only long wait I had was at the suk/asoke interchange, where the taxi was stuck for 20 minuttes. I hope that the level of service stays this way as I'm going through BKK four times in the next two weeks.

As my arrival time at Livingstone Lodge was earlier than expected, the room was not ready for another 20 minuttes - and I was politely invited for a beer at the bar while the check-in took place. This is my first visit to Livingstone Lodge and after two nights this place has my best recommendations. I usually stay at international five star hotels as my business takes me around the world, and the five stars garanties that the hotel is clean, efficient, decent run and the staff is polite. My experience in "going down in stars" are that you are not always garantied what you get. LL is not a five star hotel, but does actually have the quality and friendliness that more than compensated the missing gym or business lounge/fax machine for the guests and other more or less useless items. Moreover, I fell at home, the service is personal, both Giotto and Guido looks you straigh in the eye and feeds you the bare facts, no bullshit, no excuses, no vague promises that you would exprience elsewhere.

I have allready booked my next stay for the french maid weekend mid october. I will report after that

ValeVincent

[QUOTE=Fourx]Yes it is possible. It is quicker if you only request a single entry visa. This takes about 3 to 4 days. It is best going through a travel agent. A good one can get a Chinese visa in 1 day but it will cost a lot more by way of an "extra charge".[/QUOTE]Thanx! I was hoping for this answer! I'm willing to pay the extra for same day service. :) And thank you for coming out of the woodwork to answer my question with your first post! I appreciate it very much.

Bangkok here I come! Only 5 days and counting.

Sup fellas,

Gotta be brief...I am typing this from J-City E-mail cafe nearby Patpong...

Well I have been here a week so far. I've screwed a Thai-Lao college girl at Thanmansat U, 2 Chinese-Thai at Assumption college and another well rounded Chinese-Thai girl I met on-line. I'm having a fucking ball!. Pics too come soon!

[b]MeatMan[/b]

[QUOTE=Sad Sam]Retired Army,

That would obviously be logical. However, I am in Bangkok in transit and have about 12 hours. So, would be impossible for me to go up north, and that is why I was posing the question to the forum.[/QUOTE]Sam needs to be aware of the opening times of MPs and what times the girls really start showing up in reasonable quantities.

A MP might open at 2PM officially but be much better at 4 or 5 PM.

Poseidon is best after 4 PM in my opinion but official starting time may be earlier..

There are other places including MPs that are open in the morning.

So good advice needs to be tailored to what time you are starting and your objectives, i.e. how many different experiences you want in the 12 hour period - travel time to and from airport.

Best to hang out in a district where there are many options at all times.

Giotto's previous MP summaries for Sukhumwit area probably give opening times and style info but doubt if skin preferences would be included.

Diverging a little:

Many mongers like me are more focused more on face and body shape and don't care how dark or light. Northern girls have a tendancy to a squarish face shape with wide jaw (but not all) that doesn't particularly attract me. I like a more narrow face. I therefore find myself going with central, and Isaan girls more and rarely northern. Has been the odd girl from Chiang Rai but Phitsanalok girls (officially central but close to the north) seem to attract me often. Department stores in Phuket are full of beautiful Thai girls, so I must like southern as well but so far only played up with 1 or 2. Not many southern girls on the P4P scene in Bangkok I suspect.

Finally Bangkok is not the best place in the world to go looking for light skinned girls but there are still plenty of lightish skinned Thais and of course many Russian girls of a lower standard than would find in Germany for example (so I never tried one in Thailand).

Finding a tailor that you are satisfied with is not easy. On my last visit to BKK I went with one of the Pakistani/Nepalise tailors. He made me two business suits and a several dress shirts. Off course he tried to make me buy more and more and threw in ties ect.

One of the suits he made I like and wear often - the rest I could live without. The ties I hate.

After som research I read several reports on a song. No - A. Song, tailor. He's thai and is located near The Oriental Hotel and very skilled. You have to have patient with him - it took me two full hours to get material picked out and measured. Then three fitting session more - a minimum of five days are required. But the result is excelent. The adress is Charoes Krung (New Road) soi 38. No hassle, no throwing in extras that you will never use anyway, just polite and sharp service. As he told me "Mr. ValeVincent, you have a large bumm...but we make the suit so it doesn't show...", shows the level of honest service.

So after tailoring I needed some mongering. I'm staying at the Livingstone Lodge (see Giotto's seperate sub-forum further down the Thailand forum). Last night I had the pleasure of meeting 1Ball and Piper1 who politely invited me along for a stroll down mongering lane. As I usually hobby alone the company was great. Good looking girls, fun guys, great music (Five Star Bar / Cowboy), and 1Ball introducing me to Nana Parkinglot. Later on my own I picked up stunning Nii at the Disco...we discoed down to Lovingstone Lodge, which it should accordingly be named and I was literally fucked by Nii. Furtunataly I got her number and will call on her next time in BKK. Hmm City og Angels.

In December 2005 I was several times in CM2 (on X-mas eve everything was in white:), including the ladies).

I took several girls on different moments to my Hotel in Silom (5 minutes with a cab). Spend between 1.500 - and 3.000 depence on the lady.

I read some weeks ago that someone said the price in CM2 was around 5 - 6 K Bath. I can't believe there is such a price increase!

Does anyone know any airline that have cheap flights from Manila to Bangkok? All the major airlines are very expensive. I am also going to post this on the Manila site. By the Way, I did a search and did not find any information on this.

[QUOTE=Bill Bradsky]The show was about a catering service not an actual restaurant location. here is the link:

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95241,00.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Thanks Bill - I saw a program that did a piece on this type of dining in Japan and was curious to see if it is available in BKK. I would love to see a pic of that food model Lilani.

nocbj4me

[QUOTE=Csun213]Does anyone know any airline that have cheap flights from Manila to Bangkok? All the major airlines are very expensive. I am also going to post this on the Manila site. By the Way, I did a search and did not find any information on this.[/QUOTE]You can check out Air Asia which is a budget airline in S.EAsia . The website address is :- [url]http://www.airasia.com[/url]

I only know air asia fly to Clark and not Manila. But u need cheap flight right. Hope u find what you need.

[QUOTE=Bill Bradsky]The show was about a catering service not an actual restaurant location. here is the link:

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95241,00.html[/url][/QUOTE]

These pics have been around for a long time but illustrate the topic in question.

ES

[QUOTE=Eaglestar]These pics have been around for a long time but illustrate the topic in question.

ES[/QUOTE]
I am getting confused...where is this palce?In Japan, Thailand or else?

[QUOTE=Dreams]I am getting confused...where is this palce?In Japan, Thailand or else?[/QUOTE]

I believe Eaglestars' pics are from Japan. Has anyone heard of this Nude Sushi in BKK?

nocbj4me

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]I believe Eaglestars' pics are from Japan. Has anyone heard of this Nude Sushi in BKK?

nocbj4me[/QUOTE]

I think you are right about where it is, but no dount he put the pictures in this thread to show what a no hands restaurant looks like inside.

Haven't seen any discussion of the after-effects of the military coup - in terms of safety, availability of TG's, etc. Implicit from the posts, I think that there has not been a major impact. Is that correct? I am thinking of stopping-over in BKK on my way to India. Would appreciate any input from other Mongers on whether BKK continues to be a safe place to travel. Thanks, and as usual, will contribute any unique experiences to the board.

[QUOTE=jayf1970]Haven't seen any discussion of the after-effects of the military coup - in terms of safety, availability of TG's, etc. Implicit from the posts, I think that there has not been a major impact. Is that correct? I am thinking of stopping-over in BKK on my way to India. Would appreciate any input from other Mongers on whether BKK continues to be a safe place to travel. Thanks, and as usual, will contribute any unique experiences to the board.[/QUOTE]

Go to politics thread, i posted NYT article that basically said it was a 'non-event'. Absolutely no real impact on what interests us on this board :)

jayf1970, I just left BKK this morning. Was there 2 weeks ago for a few days, and arrived again 3 days ago.
My comment to your question insofar as normalcy of life in BKK:

Coup? What coup? There was a coup?

[QUOTE=jayf1970]Haven't seen any discussion of the after-effects of the military coup - in terms of safety, availability of TG's, etc. Implicit from the posts, I think that there has not been a major impact. Is that correct? I am thinking of stopping-over in BKK on my way to India. Would appreciate any input from other Mongers on whether BKK continues to be a safe place to travel. Thanks, and as usual, will contribute any unique experiences to the board.[/QUOTE]
As others have noted, there has been virtually no impact to daily life (or night life, for that matter) in Bangkok.

My routine hasn't changed a bit, and I have traveled out of country and back twice with no dramas whatsoever.

Cheers,
-Y

[QUOTE=jayf1970]Haven't seen any discussion of the after-effects of the military coup - in terms of safety, availability of TG's, etc. Implicit from the posts, I think that there has not been a major impact. Is that correct? I am thinking of stopping-over in BKK on my way to India. Would appreciate any input from other Mongers on whether BKK continues to be a safe place to travel. Thanks, and as usual, will contribute any unique experiences to the board.[/QUOTE]


I've posted several times about this already on various threads in LOS concerning this same question. Only place the coup affected seems to be BKK and that was really a "non-event" as others had call this coup. For several days after the coup, BKK closed down some stores and offices and traffic was light but thats about it. Everything back to normal now so enjoy.

PT

[QUOTE=Imlonely]You can check out Air Asia which is a budget airline in S.EAsia . The website address is :- [url]http://www.airasia.com[/url]

I only know air asia fly to Clark and not Manila. But u need cheap flight right. Hope u find what you need.[/QUOTE]


As not to confuse Csun any further:
Let me clarify.
1)AirAsia dont fly directly from BKK to Manila. You will need to actually book 2 flights from BKK on airasia to get to Manila.
2)BTW: Manila is Clark (its the airport outside of city)

PT

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]

2)BTW: Manila is Clark (its the airport outside of city)

PT[/QUOTE]

Clark is the Old American Airbase in Angeles City about two hours outside of Manila. I imagine it's even longer now because of the increase in traffic.

[QUOTE=Retired Army]Clark is the Old American Airbase in Angeles City about two hours outside of Manila. I imagine it's even longer now because of the increase in traffic.[/QUOTE]

Thanks,
Clarify:As the original question pertains to Airasia, What I meant to say was based only where Airasia flies to and this budget airline (along with others) considers Clark airport (outside of Manila) as Manila itself (or as close to Manila as they can fly to).


PT

Hi Guys,

I am back in Bangkok in a few days I just wanted a bit of info on Eden It will be a long awaited first visit.

Firstly is it open 7 days a week ? because my best option for a visit will be Sunday I am guessing from what I,ve read that a good time to go is around 12.30 midday if anybody was there recently and is a regular then feel free to recomend any particular girls.

Regards,

Mr Cabbage

[QUOTE=Track Cabbage]Hi Guys,

I am back in Bangkok in a few days I just wanted a bit of info on Eden It will be a long awaited first visit.

Firstly is it open 7 days a week ? because my best option for a visit will be Sunday I am guessing from what I,ve read that a good time to go is around 12.30 midday if anybody was there recently and is a regular then feel free to recomend any particular girls.

Regards,

Mr Cabbage[/QUOTE]

There is plenty of info in these and the massage parlour pages about Eden. Have a scout around for those reports, some are very recent.

As for opeing hours it is 7 days but I think you will find it opens around 1pm and closes around midnight. The best time, many say mid afternoon.

There was some report earlier about CIS girls being available in Grace and Rajah hotels for reasonable prices (under 2K for ST) due to lessened demand. What is their service like? Do they do BBBJ or CIM? Are they available at all during the day time and if so when and where? Thanks in advance for all the help.

[QUOTE=Track Cabbage]Hi Guys,

Firstly is it open 7 days a week ? because my best option for a visit will be Sunday I am guessing from what I,ve read that a good time to go is around 12.30 midday if anybody was there recently and is a regular then feel free to recomend any particular girls.
[/QUOTE]

Eden is definitely open seven days a week. The "best time" to visit can be a bit tricky. A lot of girls arrive between 12.30 p.m. and 12.45 p.m., but some will come in right up to 1.00 p.m.

This does present something of a dilemma to the first-time visitor. If you wait until 1.00 p.m. in hopes of seeing every single girl so you have the broadest possible choice, the one you want may be choosen by someone else before the first full line-up of the day. I'm not exaggerating - I've seen 14 ladies disappear from the line-up with 60 seconds around opening time. Some VIP members will come by as soon as Eden opens and ask for a lady by name, whether or not she's physically there at that moment.

My advice is to get there at 12.40 p.m. and if you see a lady you like, pick her right away and let her pick her partner. Don't worry about seeing the entire line-up. If things are happening too fast and furious around opening time, speak to the manager about coming back later when the lady you want will be available. Remember, you are under absolutely no pressure to select a lady. Anybody who claims otherwise is giving deliberate misinformation. Just say, "No thank you, I'll be back later," or "No thank you, not today." Edenpapa (Marc) has stated on many occasions that first-time visitors are welcome just to drop by for a drink and get an understaning of what the club is all about. What you can't do is sit for hours dawdling over a beer.

It's difficult - and may even be pointless - to try to recommend specific Eden ladies. The service is uniformly good from any Eden lady. There aren't any starfish or unenthusiastic performers at Eden. Which one you choose becomes a matter of personal preference. Trust your intuition or ask the manager's advice if you have special wishes. You can't go wrong in either case.

Evil

Hi Evil - I'm not knocking Eden or its girls (I've never been there), but the "procedure" is not my cup of Tom Yum. The idea of having to turn up at a certain window of opportunity (as you say, 12:40pm), and choosing within 60 seconds or missing out on your choice to several other frantic guys just doesn't appeal to me. Just a bit too rushed. To each his own, I guess.

My own preference is to chat and have a drink (or two) in a club with a girl (or two) ;), and see how the chemsitry is. If all is well, then I take them back to the suite to create my own Eden experience (and not limited to 90 minutes). Still, next chance I get, I'll try Eden and hopefully disconfirm my beliefs. (I doubt it, as I rarely go for a midday nookie unless it's a continuation of the night before).

Piper-
There is an alternative. You can also take one or several ladies overnight, usually 10.p.m. to 6.00 a.m. the following morning. Nowadays I either take Eden ladies 24 hours or overnight rather than have sessions in the club. The OP was specifically asking about visiting Eden around opening time for an inhouse session.

But it is true you don't have the opportunity to "chat up" the ladies before you select one. You either go with intuition or trust a recommendation. The setup and concept at Eden are different from most venues in LOS. I understand and appreciate that some punters favor an entirely different approach that allows for more interaction with the lady before making a choice.

I was trying to offer tips to maximize the OP's chances of an enjoyable, rather than frustrating, first-time visit. In a sense, Eden is a bit of a victim of its own success. It has a strong and very loyal "return customer" base - guys who understand the Club and how it works - and they tend to snap up the most desirable ladies quickly. I'm visiting BKK at the end of October and I booked an Eden lady at the end of July to be sure I got my first choice.

But of course a lot of luck is involved. I've seen line-ups of 25 to 30 ladies not only at 1.00 p.m., but also at 8.00 p.m. and all hours in between. And the choice a first-time visitor gets can vary from day to day. One day I saw a full line-up at 1.00 p.m., the very next day less than 10 ladies at 1.00 p.m. Much also depends on how highly the individual punter values a two-lady session or wants to indulge in some of more exotic activities available at Eden.

For me, what's important is the skill some of the ladies have in English, plus the "surefire" service, as I often don't have a lot of time to hunt for freelancers/bar girls who may turn out to be starfish. Everyone has his own priority and it's great that BKK offers something for everyone.

Evil

Sorry, a question guys.

Being new to this forum I am busy looking at threads, trying to familiarize myself with the overall feel of this. One thing I noticed is that no one really comments on the ‘good’ girl situation. I mean all those little sweethearts I see in my office, or swarming the streets at lunch hour, dressed in their cute office uniforms, short skirted with oh that white skin.

Over the years I had quite a number of interesting encounters. The sweet thing was and still is to turn a casual encounter – i.e. run into female in elevators, BTS etc.. – into a temp. second wife routine (or at least great afternoon sex).

Not saying that I am not visiting MP’s. It’s just that all those ‘innocent good girls’ are certainly willing and able.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Sorry, a question guys.

Being new to this forum I am busy looking at threads, trying to familiarize myself with the overall feel of this. One thing I noticed is that no one really comments on the ‘good’ girl situation. I mean all those little sweethearts I see in my office, or swarming the streets at lunch hour, dressed in their cute office uniforms, short skirted with oh that white skin.

Over the years I had quite a number of interesting encounters. The sweet thing was and still is to turn a casual encounter – i.e. run into female in elevators, BTS etc.. – into a temp. second wife routine (or at least great afternoon sex).

Not saying that I am not visiting MP’s. It’s just that all those ‘innocent good girls’ are certainly willing and able.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Why would they comment on them? This forum is all about payed sex, those girls you talk about are most certainly not hookers.

There is one section on this board, called Thai Women- Opinions and Advice where some are discussed, but as said this thread is all about the hookers.

[QUOTE=Jc373]Why would they comment on them? This forum is all about payed sex, those girls you talk about are most certainly not hookers.

There is one section on this board, called Thai Women- Opinions and Advice where some are discussed, but as said this thread is all about the hookers.[/QUOTE]

Having been involved with "good girls" over the years, I can say that while they would kill you if you ever called them hookers, they do a better job of extracting money from you then most hookers. My experience is that P4P is much cheaper. A real Thai girlfriend can be very expensive very quickly. Just ask anyone that has ever walked through a shopping mall with a "good" thai girl. While they would not be caught dead asking money for sex, they expect you will cater to their every whim.

Marc is so famous that he gets a lot of P.R.
Glad for him as his business is a real EDen for me at least.
I did not know about this story of the Irish man nor about the Doctor. You have to see it to believe it I guess.
This interview answwer most of the questions you have guys.

Enjoy

Quote :
He Is Known As Mr EdenPapa

The first time we met, myself and my trusty assistant Whosyourdaddy wandered in merely for a look and a drink. We had no intention of going upstairs, but simply wanted to sit and watch the action - and see what all of the fuss was about. After all the press it was getting online, I wanted to check out and then write something about the venue.

The manager sized us up the moment we walked through the door. We said we wanted to order a drink to which he countered with a question to see if we were interested in ladies. Just a drink, we said. He leapt up from his seat, went to the door, opened it, and politely told us we could find a drink elsewhere.

I was startled, a bar manager who didn't want paying customers! We wandered outside, had a laugh to ourselves, and went elsewhere for a drink.
My first impressions of the Eden club were not good, and of the manager, Marc, were not good at all. He had asked me to leave a bar where I was a willing customer, that is, I would have bought some drinks. Being asked to leave a bar, that's the first and only time it has ever happened.

Truth be told, Marc and I should never have developed a friendship, but the total opposite happened. Marc and I grew to be friends. I went back to the club many times to chat with him and then we started to dine out and about around town, always a treat, for Marc is a Frenchman who knows and loves good food.

This week we got together and had a good chat about life, Eden, and of course, fine French food.

Can you remember that first time we met?!

The club was becoming so famous 5 - 6 years ago, that we had to make a choice. No way to have 50 guys in a so small place, so we just cut off the drinking part. Some guys don't even order one drink. Who cares? The beer is the same everywhere, not the ladies.

There still is a little misunderstanding about this rule. Everybody is welcome the first time to buy one drink and understand the concept, if the guy comes back then he knows why. A guy coming to enjoy ladies can have drinks before, during and after. If someone wants just to get drunk then he is for sure not in the right place.

Do you have any idea of how many shy guys come to Thailand? In the club it is easy for them to choose a girl when they are alone. If they see people watching them, they will go into themselves and never choose ladies. It is even worst when a couple is coming. You can not mix sex and a public place. If you do that, you will always have one side of your customers feeling bad. You cannot please everyone. You are either a brothel or a bar. You cannot be both. Our concept is to always have an empty bar area.

Can you run us by a small history of the Eden Club, when you first opened, whose vision it was, and any highlights or milestones along the way?

Very quickly, when I took it over it was already open since 2 years by two friends (French). It was just a regular bar, when they hired me 7 years ago as a manager, before making me partner a few months later by offering me some free shares. Then I used 8 years of experience as a customer in Bangkok's nightlife to make something a little bit different. A common dream, for many guys is to enjoy 2 ladies at the same time. Most of the time it will finish by one lady in the bed, the second one in the bathroom (or 2 meters away in the bed), then we change. To find the real ménage a 3 isn't so easy. Trust me, I know what I am talking about.

A lot of changes happened over time. I spent my time learning and changing and improving, up to the point where it has become to my idea difficult to improve much more.

Surely this is the most boring job in the world, sitting in a small, dark bar lobby, dealing with people of different nationality coming through your door every day?

You have no idea how many guys have told me that I have the best job in the world. Wrong! If I was drinking and playing the ladies for 12 hours a day, then it would be true. But I am not. On the other hand people coming worldwide you meet a lot of interesting guys, a (very) few stupids too.
Can you give me an idea of some your customers and who they are.
Mister everybody, but we have been visited by : soccer stars, Formula 1 people, movie makers and so on... I cannot say names. You know that. We have some big boys from big business too! Many guys use the club for business too. "Marc, this is my boss or my customer - take care of him!" The same way when you send friends for food to Le Beaulieu, when a guy sends another guy to the club for fun he will not lose face either. Everyone is happy!

So in general, what is it like to run this club?

It is difficult, very difficult. If it was so easy you would have 20 or 30 other similar clubs in Bangkok but we still the only one. Everyone who tried to copy us went down. The last one was the cleverest. He opened a bar taking as a partner one lady who was in the club for over 3 years, but it lasted just a few months and they went down. Then you had the guy who openly tried to copy us. Now it is a guesthouse internet place and they are selling sandwiches <He laughs> Not the kind of sandwiches they had in mind when they opened.

If you really want to take care of everything and do things properly then it is a non-stop job.

Are you friendly with other bar owners?

I don't have any problem with them. Some of them are even enjoying the club or sending close friends. Firstly, people never see me outside (except in restaurants). I am no longer a bar guy. Secondly, we are no competition for anyone. We are in a niche market.

What is the record number of girls a guy has taken upstairs, or out?

Inside the club, 20. An Irish guy! We still have the picture to be seen in the club. At this time we used the room with the 13 square metre bed!
Outside the club, 11. We used to call this guy The Doctor. He was spending 50 to 100,000 baht at least a day throughout Bangkok making everybody believe that he was very rich. That day 3 Mercedes Benzes from a famous Bangkok hotel came to pick up the ladies in front of the club. It came out later that this guy was just spending his life savings.

That's the guy who had 580 girls?

Yes, in 8 months!

That is incredible!

It's true! You ask any of the ladies who are still in the club today if they remember the Doctor and believe me, they will remember him!
This poor guy, drinking a lot, abusing 2 to 300mg of Viagra everyday, just finished in a Bangkok Hospital where some member of his family came to take him back to the States.

I have always found myself in a quandary over the industry. I know that a lot of guys enjoy it and pay the girls handsomely, but the industry doesn't just hurt the girls, it can ruin lives. What do you think about that?

I am not feeling guilty at all. This club gives a living to hundreds of people up country, where the ladies sent their earnings I think that the ladies in the club have the best conditions to do this kind of job. They do that and only that. They are not amateurs, they know what they have to do. They are free to come and go as they want. Some ladies have been in the club for 3, 4, 5, 6 years and so on and this means something.

No one can play with them, kissing, feeling their breast, fondling and so on just by buying a mere lady drink (40 baht to the lady), then leaving. How do you think the lady feels after that? No way! Treat them like human beings first, make them feel good, feel real and after they can treat people well.
If a guy wants the real thing, he is welcome. If a guy just wants to play, there are so many places to do it in Bangkok.

5 - 6 years ago an American guy who came quite a few times told me that he loved the club, comparing it to a very famous American fast food joint. You know exactly what you pay and you know exactly what you get. You come, you choose, you enjoy.

There must have been some funny stories of comings and goings over the years. Without naming anyone or giving too much away, what stories spring to mind.

Like better to talk about an outside story. One of our regular talking with his friend who was in his car was explaining his situation in the club with most details, not knowing that he was listened by everybody (wife and kids) in the car (Bluetooth system).

At one time the club had a website but that got taken down. Why was that?

I shut it down myself. It was at the time of the APEC meeting. Someone close to me in an influential position advised me that it would be a good idea to shut it down.

No plans to open it up again?

Umm, in Bangkok, no more. In Pattaya, there will be a website run by John, Eden Club Bangkok's former webmaster who will become Eden Club Pattaya's manager too

I have heard the term Pattaya disease mentioned in the UK for guys who are addicted to Pattaya, who sit in the UK dreaming of their next trip to Fun City. Do you think there are guys with Eden Club disease? I mean there are a number of readers who have told me that they cannot get enough of the place, and that they book in advance before even arriving in the country.

We have lot of regulars and lot of people booking in advance. Even some guys buying the VIP membership before coming.

What does a VIP card get a customer?

Basically it is a bit more expensive than for regular customer, which is opposite to most places, but the member is sure to get the ladies he wants. A VIP's booking supersedes the booking of someone who is not a VIP. Instead of 1,800 for a lady the guy will pay 2,000 for the lady. 15% discount off drinks too but since we are not a bar it is not really a big thing. The main thing is that it gives first choice on the ladies. Now we have a lot of regulars who also have their own regular ladies so VIP cards work well for them.

How many girls do you have?

We did open with 6 ladies and right now around 40, meaning around 30 and over present a day.

You have a new Pattaya operation about to open shortly. Will it be different to the Bangkok operation or will it simply be a new version of your club transplanted down there?

Exactly the same thing in Pattaya. Same concept, same prices. Everyone is asking me about when it will open (around beginning of December) and they get disappointed when I tell them that it is after they have been in town. Many guys want to be in the first 50 customers!

The club has a money back guarantee where any guy who is not satisfied can request his money back. Does that happen often?

It is not even money back because people don't pay until after so if you find a good reason then you do not have to pay. It did happen but not often. Maybe one time every few months, not often at all. The last time it happened was when the guy took two ladies, the ladies did the lesbian thing and one of them tried to get the guy (still with his clothes on) involved and he got nervous and they asked him jokingly if he was gay and then the guy went a bit crazy and came downstairs. I cancelled the session and he left without paying.

What about sexually transmitted diseases?

Each week there is a test for STDs. Each month there is a blood test for HIV and syphilis. This is a proper check, made by a ISO 9001 laboratory, nominative and computerized check, not a hand written piece of paper. This is the real thing.

Each 4 or 5 months we test for drugs. We've got proper kits for the girls to be checked for drugs. I have had some ladies who wanted to be hired but were HIV+ already. Quite a few. Any lady doing anything (except oral) without a condom is fired on the spot. No pity. They even put condoms on the dildos. When you change lady you change of condom too.
There is no way to do it safer.

I believe that you really do not have any real competition. Why is that?

Because you have no idea how difficult it is to run a place like this. All the guys who tried went down. I know why but I am not going to tell you.
It is hard work. What can I say? It is like making a tower with playing cards. If one of your cards is wrong then everything goes down. It is very much like that.

Without giving any secrets away, what are some of the things that you attribute your success to?

My understanding and love of the Thai people helps me a lot because it gives me their respect.
Give the guy what he is coming for and he will not only come back but tell his friends. So many times you get cheated in Thailand. I know what it is like. I was a customer of many bars for 8 years before I started. This is a business and like all business there is only one rule : Value for money.
My main rule is no bullshit!

Is it true that you are no longer involved with the club? What is that?

I have just been hospitalized and got a heart bypass. I need to take it more easy. That's why I put a manager in the club and I have taught him everything. Let's say that now I am more a kind of supervisor, and it will be the same for Pattaya.

Do you think the club can succeed without you? You are an integral part of the business.

I tried to let it go but it didn't work. Now I oblige myself with 2 days in Bangkok a week. In Pattaya, I will be there for 2 - 3 months a lot and then 2 days a week. I have other businesses to run too.

You love your food. What are your favourite places for food in Thailand?

Very good food too at Serge in Le Bouchon in Patpong. Marriot Hotel's buffet and for sure here (Le Beaulieu) and before Charlie's, which has sadly gone.
So the future you? What do you do these days with less time in the bars?
I take care of my other businesses and I take care of my family. I run an import / export business. We will have a car and motorbike website coming, and a latex (clothes) business starting soon, both being done with 2 different partners. I also have a wife and two adopted kids to take care of. That is enough to fill a life. Trust me!

To finish I would like to add: We are the only place in Asia where people can complain when they have finished, and not pay. If something was really wrong just let us know.
There are a few (always the same) individuals who for some reasons hate us for many years and spread false rumours on the Net, always using a different name. It has already been proven and recognised. It is so easy to feel and play God hidden behind a keyboard. As of today the only site I am answering on is : Bangoktonight, Speciality Bars.

The day people will have to post under their real name and with their real picture will be the day you will see less fake info posted on the net. Trust me on that.

I am not saying we are perfect I am just saying that we are trying to do our best. Nobody is perfect.

Eden club is located on Sukhumvit Soi 7/1 and is open from 12:30 PM until midnight, at which time they take last call. Visa, MasterCard and Amex are accepted without extra charges.

Unquote