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[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]I had to edit the topless out, I hope I got it all cause UTUBE will delete it.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLdb0gmGPVk[/url][/QUOTE]

Thanks for the memories!

[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]You didn't mention where you're coming from. If its U.S. east coast on Tam you can fly during the day without suffering. If you're on a 8-14 hour night flight you'll probably have some jetlag which takes no more than a few hours sleep upon arrival to adjust.

I've flown to SP then domestic for 1½ hrs. and I feel fine, especially when I had a GF to pamper me upon arrival. I did that at least 15 times in an 18 mo. period. I've also flown transatlantic at least 50 times. Jetlag is worse on these flights. Two easy days and you're back to normal.

Tell where you're coming from, season and be specific concerning your meaning of atmosphere. Your physical conditon, age and diet has an effect on long flights.[/QUOTE]I am coming from the usa, I will probably go in june or july. I was referring to the ultra high humidity in brazil when i said atmosphere. I am in decent shape late 30's and I have a high quality diet. Only problem is I have a underactive thyroid.

[QUOTE=Manute Bol]I am coming from the usa, I will probably go in june or july. I was referring to the ultra high humidity in brazil when i said atmosphere. I am in decent shape late 30's and I have a high quality diet. Only problem is I have a underactive thyroid.[/QUOTE]How'd you get so tall -- and thin -- with an underactive thyroid?

[QUOTE=Manute Bol]I am coming from the usa, I will probably go in june or july. I was referring to the ultra high humidity in brazil when i said atmosphere. I am in decent shape late 30's and I have a high quality diet. Only problem is I have a underactive thyroid.[/QUOTE]
Next question is where are you going in Brasil? The climate is very different north to south. Rio in June July is relatively cool, weather wise.

[QUOTE=Manute Bol]I am coming from the usa, I will probably go in june or july. I was referring to the ultra high humidity in brazil when i said atmosphere. I am in decent shape late 30's and I have a high quality diet. Only problem is I have a underactive thyroid.[/QUOTE]

If you're visiting south Brazil, June & July is the middle of the winter. Humidity is lower. Quite comfortable. The morning temp. can get chilly to cold in the 30's warming to the 60-70s mid-day. S.P. can be chilly this time of the year. Further north, the air temp. warms up. I spent 3 days in RJ in June and it was nice wearing short sleeves daytime hours. I've spent 18 mo. in several southern states where it was cold during the months you mentioned. My GF comes from Rio Grande do Sol and they can have snow in the higher elevations. In south Brazil, January is high season for summer vacations. Schools are closed from mid-Dec. to beginning of February. The southern beaches and resorts are full with vacationers f.ex. Brazilians, Argentinians, Paraguayans and many Europeans. Here you'll find the largest population of blonde, white Brazilians. Read my post #1167 with beach photo, Living in Brazil thread.

I'm sure another informative member can answer your questions concerning northern Brazil.

For those of you that didn't get a chance to go to Rio or Carnival for 2010, perhaps seeing it (and few of it's assets) in HD(High Def) will alleviate some of your pain.

Checkout: [url]http://www.hdclipsbr.com[/url]

Enjoy!

How many of you like Devassa beer? They have blond(louira), dark(morena) and Ruiva(red), I like them all....

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG0Drkb4L38&feature=player_embedded[/url]

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]How many of you like Devassa beer? They have blond(louira), dark(morena) and Ruiva(red), I like them all....

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG0Drkb4L38&feature=player_embedded[/url][/QUOTE]
At their many bar/restaurant locations around town, they have 5 varieties on tap, as well as bar type food, which will make a good quick meal at a reasonable price. Devassa Ruiva (Pale Ale), Devassa Negra (Dark Ale), Devassa Índia (India Pale Ale - 6,0% vol.), Devassa Mulata (mixture of Loura, Ruiva and Negra) and Sarara which is a rich Weiss type, made with wheat and barley malt.

The Barra location has the best view, right across from the beach and the one in Ipanema is also good service and quality wise. The Copa location is a little crowded and the food and service is not as good.

Does anyone know of a place near the airport (GIG) where I can s**t, shower, and shave during a layover? Or at least not too far.

[QUOTE=Cho 637]Does anyone know of a place near the airport (GIG) where I can s**t, shower, and shave during a layover? Or at least not too far.[/QUOTE]There is(or at least was, not sure now with all the remodeling going on) a hotel right in the airport. When you leave the international arrivals exit go all the way to your left near the end of the terminal, I think it is, or ask someone where6

I have no idea what sort of rate(s) they have.

[QUOTE=Cho 637]Does anyone know of a place near the airport (GIG) where I can s**t, shower, and shave during a layover? Or at least not too far.[/QUOTE]

Layover???? Are you not going down to Copa or Centro? Why are you laying over in GIG? When are you going to be there? I am not sure if you remember the older guy that was with me when we met a few years, but he will be there next week, maybe you two could meet up if you are going to be in town for a few hours.

Chris H

[QUOTE=Cho 637]Does anyone know of a place near the airport (GIG) where I can s**t, shower, and shave during a layover? Or at least not too far.[/QUOTE]


Try the Luxor aeroporto hotel

[url]http://www.agoda.com/south_america/brazil/rio_de_janeiro/luxor_aeroporto_hotel.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Cho 637]Does anyone know of a place near the airport (GIG) where I can s**t, shower, and shave during a layover? Or at least not too far.[/QUOTE]

This is the hotel in the airport
Rio International Airport First Floor/Red Section
Rio de Janeiro, 21941-570

Como chegar
(0xx)21 3398-3848
* horários aproximados
hotelpousadagaleao.com.br‎

[QUOTE=Chris H]Layover???? Are you not going down to Copa or Centro? Why are you laying over in GIG? When are you going to be there? I am not sure if you remember the older guy that was with me when we met a few years, but he will be there next week, maybe you two could meet up if you are going to be in town for a few hours.

Chris H[/QUOTE]

What's Up!

Heading to Fortaleza for a week. Be back in Rio on the 23rd.

Thanks for the suggestions guys. However, I have to tell you that the hotelpousadagaleao has some of the worst reviews that I have ever seen! I may try the Luxor ( 132US per night) but it seems a bit over priced. Since I just need about 8 hrs, I think I'll try one of the "Love" motels.

[QUOTE=Cho 637]What's Up!

Heading to Fortaleza for a week. Be back in Rio on the 23rd.

Thanks for the suggestions guys. However, I have to tell you that the hotelpousadagaleao has some of the worst reviews that I have ever seen! I may try the Luxor ( 132US per night) but it seems a bit over priced. Since I just need about 8 hrs, I think I'll try one of the "Love" motels.[/QUOTE]

Anybody ever been here, (Viña Del Mar Hotel)?

[QUOTE=Cho 637]What's Up!
Heading to Fortaleza for a week. Be back in Rio on the 23rd.[/QUOTE]
Where are you staying in Fortaleza? I will arrive there early a.m. on the 18th

If you purchase a plane flight to Rio and there is a stop in sao paulo and you decide to stay in SP will the airline have any problem with that? Same goes for coming back.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Where are you staying in Fortaleza? I will arrive there early a.m. on the 18th[/QUOTE]

So will I! We might be on the same flight. (Gol?)

[QUOTE=Manute Bol]If you purchase a plane flight to Rio and there is a stop in sao paulo and you decide to stay in SP will the airline have any problem with that? Same goes for coming back.[/QUOTE]
The few times I've had that, the SP stop has been a very short one. You don't even get off the plane. There might be some new exceptions of course, but I would probably bet on you having to fork out for the additional SP-RIO flight if you don't stay on. It's not that much. But your luggage will be checked through I think.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]The few times I've had that, the SP stop has been a very short one. You don't even get off the plane. There might be some new exceptions of course, but I would probably bet on you having to fork out for the additional SP-RIO flight if you don't stay on. It's not that much. But your luggage will be checked through I think.[/QUOTE]

Most flights stop in Sao Paulo before going to Rio. I have asked a couple of airlines this question and each time I was told that if you miss any leg of your ticket, that it will void the remainder. In other words not only would you have to buy a ticket from Sao Paulo to Rio but you would also have to buy a ticket back home! Some airlines will let you schedule a stop, but as Christopherd said, it will cost you extra.

Stupid question, but better sex with short or tall girls?

Okay, here's how it works:

If you make your reservation and schedule the stopover in SAO at the time of reservation, it normally won't cost any more than just going to Rio. Most international airline fares allow one stop over "en-route" at no additional charge. As long as your fare allows a connection in SAO, you could stop. In fact, most fares allow one stop in each direction at no additional charge. One caveat: If there are airport taxes, you might get a small add-on for those taxes if you stop in the airport, versus just connecting through.

If you have not made your reservation with the stop, you should not miss your connecting flight. Other posters are correct: Once you miss any flight, all subsequent flight on your itinerary (reservation) will be canceled. This includes your return ticket. You would then have to buy a new ticket, one-way back home. Note: if you miss a connecting flight, they will normally give you a couple of hours to show up at the counter and rebook the flights, but this really only works for delayed flights, not for an additional stay. You might get away with this for a late taxi arrival for your return flight, but don't try to create a stop-over with this technique.

This technique of free stop overs can often work, even though the city isn't on the flights that you are planning to be on. For example, NYC-Fortaleza would connect through SAO. But you probable can still do a free stop over in RIO (GIG) because GIG will show up on the air fare code routing for NYC to Fortaleza. The routings are buried in the tariffs and you'll need a good international reservationst or rate-desk at the airline to tell you if it is possible, but more often than not, it is!

Finally, the bad news is that many of the airline reservation systems on the internet will not find these "free" stop overs for you. You might have to talk to reservatons on the phone. And perhaps pay the telephone reservation fee, around $35-50. But, still might be quite a savings.

How do I know all of this, I owned a travel agency for 8 years, went to law school and worked a couple of years as a consultant to one of the major airlines. So, learned a little along the way.

Mud Bug beside Copacabana Palace is a good place to go for a hassle free drink in Copa before going mongering. Plenty of good looking women.

Hey people got to Rio yesterday who wants a beer. I will be across from the help on the beach with budweiser butts shirt on lets get some drinks.

Anyone know if it's ok/safe to drive from Rio and head south all the way to Porto Alegre? Want to hit up some cities on the way as well. But if it's crazy I won't do it. Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=Jon32]Anyone know if it's ok/safe to drive from Rio and head south all the way to Porto Alegre? Want to hit up some cities on the way as well. But if it's crazy I won't do it. Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]

I drove Florianopolis- Curitiba -Sao Paulo -Rio half a year ago. With a Brazilian friend.

It is possible, but there are lots of pitfalls.
Crazy drivers. are you used to this?

corrupt police trying to gauge you! Can you deal with them?


Dangerous places, if you turn into the wrong favela in Rio you can get machinegunned. Really happens. I think a foreign GPS system actually led them into the war zone. A US GPS system is not programmed to avoid war zones in Brazil.

You need local knowledge and Brazilian sense of what is dangerous .......

And of course bad roads with occasional crazy dangers (a manhole in the middle of a puddle, because someone stole the lid to sell it for scrap iron)

It can be done, and it is not totally crazy. But be aware of the dangers.

I would say from Sao Paulo South things get a lot safer and more civilized. A different world.

maybe you start in Curitiba? At least in Sao Paulo and go South immediately. But best you start South of Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=Chris Long]Does anyone know of any university’s/education centers that are close enough to monger locations yet isolated enough to where the students or school officials would not notice. I have been given the opportunity to set up a summer study abroad program in economics. My employer will pay for me to take two weeks for exploratory set up and then it would be a summer program every year after that. This seems like a great opportunity to combine both work and pleasure while my trip cost and stay would be paid for by my employer. Any information on education centers in Rio or any of the other monger locations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris[/QUOTE]

First of all, most Universities here are a joke, Mickey Mouse quality.

If you actually want to do something useful, find out which ones are good.

Usually all the federal and state Universities are considered quality, if they are not on strike and if you don't go to a Campus where you get robbed (Fundão near the Airport)
UERJ, UFF, URFJ

Really good is FGV, fundação Getulio Vargas, I think they are world class.

There might be more, I am not an expert, just writing from memories.

how close do you want to be to ***** houses? they are everywhere. Downtown especially. Tijuca, etc .........

If you are good enough in looks and game and age, you might land some fellow students ........

Or go to exotic cities like Porto Velho to study, it is said that they have no ***** houses because regular girls are so easy ..........

Your theory is quite correct.

I have met once met a girl at Vila Mimosa that worked at Centaurus the week before. That was one of the rare occasions that I actually did a girl in VM.

I did one ex-Barbarella girl for R$ 80 for 40 minutes in a downtown massage place. Saw several ex Help girls for R$ 20, 25, 50 in various places. Some Help girls always worked during daytime for R$ 20-50 a shot to have a regular secure income and then charged 100-300 at night.

Note I am talking about the pretty young girls, 18-22. Older girls, fat girls, ugly hags, they probably are there too.

Finally I personally accompanied 3 pretty girls this month who were moving between R$ 200-400 for 1 hour Balcony programs and R$ 60 cheap terma programs. One of them had worked for R$ 20 only 2 months ago (I committed the sin to open her eyes and show her she could do better, now she goes for 200-400 instead, and also has standing job offers at several top termas)

I also watched how these poor girls settle for R$ 80 termas who offer overnight stay instead of staying at a R$ 300 termas, because they don't have a place to go at 2am when the terma closes.

Now for myself, for the reasons you explain, I have not set foot in Help for 10 years. And I live 3 blocks from Help. I prefer to do the girls at the cheap places, for fixed price, cheaper then the Help entrance fee.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]Since the demise of Help all the lazy GDP's have lost their guppy fishbowl. All the, as I call them, "smart folk", pretty much have been removed from the P4P scene for now. The experienced monger is what left now, so many of the GDP's know that their prices must match what the going rate for the locales they hang out dictates. This is something I just don't play or contemplate.
What am I talking about you may ask? It is the old "Charge where they GDP hangs out theory". If a GDP walks the street, she charges a certain rate. I she is in a disco (I.E. The big Sao Paolo discos, Cafe Photo, Bomboa, Love Story, etc. In other countries it also applies when the GDP is independent.), they want to charge you another rate, and so on. I compare the whole scene just like when you are about to buy a car. Would you pay big bucks for a Ford Fiesta because it is in a Mercedez Benz car lot? Heck no! On the other hand you can find that diamond in the rough in a not so nice place. That is what I crave and value, the bargain.
I don't particularly care where she hangs out that determines how much she is allowed to charge me. It boils down, for me, on her looks, personality, how we get along, what she will do and our chemistry. If all those things align, then we discuss a reasonable rate if that's what I wish to do. That is the girl that comes to my hotel room. Otherwise, it the Termas, massage parlors, clinicas, boites and prives with the set rates. There you can find also willing GDP's who will knock your socks off when you invite them to your apartment or hotel room.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]Your theory is quite correct.

I have met once met a girl at Vila Mimosa that worked at Centaurus the week before. That was one of the rare occasions that I actually did a girl in VM.

I did one ex-Barbarella girl for R$ 80 for 40 minutes in a downtown massage place. Saw several ex Help girls for R$ 20, 25, 50 in various places. Some Help girls always worked during daytime for R$ 20-50 a shot to have a regular secure income and then charged 100-300 at night.

Note I am talking about the pretty young girls, 18-22. Older girls, fat girls, ugly hags, they probably are there too.

Finally I personally accompanied 3 pretty girls this month who were moving between R$ 200-400 for 1 hour Balcony programs and R$ 60 cheap terma programs. One of them had worked for R$ 20 only 2 months ago (I committed the sin to open her eyes and show her she could do better, now she goes for 200-400 instead, and also has standing job offers at several top termas)

I also watched how these poor girls settle for R$ 80 termas who offer overnight stay instead of staying at a R$ 300 termas, because they don't have a place to go at 2am when the terma closes.

Now for myself, for the reasons you explain, I have not set foot in Help for 10 years. And I live 3 blocks from Help. I prefer to do the girls at the cheap places, for fixed price, cheaper then the Help entrance fee.[/QUOTE]Was this a pasted response because you mentioned help which is defunct.

[QUOTE=Manute Bol]Was this a pasted response because you mentioned help which is defunct.[/QUOTE]
I am not sure if I should respond and waste valuable space on needless discussion.

I replied to voyager's post about the same girls charging different prices depending where they were. Help was a special high price space, like Barbarella. I explained that Help was very special in that the same girls were, and especially now ARE available for cheap cheap money elsewhere.

As I always said, you don't get what you pay for: Help girls usually were NOT high class model college middle class girls who actually can ask such prices from Brazilians. One girl I helped to get out of a R$ 20 place immediately got R$ 400 for one hour programs from Brazilians (through a luxury pimp, of course). But she was a college girl, ex business owner, blonde, tall, etc.

By the way, if some of you guys have too much money, I get always pestered by an agency that has TV, Playboy etc bunnies. Probably from R$ 500 to 5000 and more, and more interesting for Brazilians as you would not even know that the girl is famous.

The fact that Help has closed does not change the argument, neither does it change much about the fact that I did not go inside for 10 years.

But please, let us stop this. More useful discussions.

[QUOTE=Manute Bol]
If you purchase a plane flight to Rio and there is a stop in sao paulo and you decide to stay in SP will the airline have any problem with that? Same goes for coming back.[/QUOTE]
ask your airline. Stopover privileges are expensive unless you are on a very high priced tariff. Just saw that other people have other info, so please do your research and report back to us if the stopover can be done easily and how.

If you just walk out in São Paulo, say good bye to your luggage that goes to Rio. And there might be other contractual agreements preventing you from stopping early and getting out.

* Try a 3 way flight
your city to Sao Paulo
leave Sao Paulo Rio open and buy
Rio to your city.

* More likely you have to buy
your city to Sao Paulo return ticket
and get 2 separate one way flights from Sao Paulo to Rio
Should be ok, fairly cheap and easy and ok to buy on the spot except on rare extremely important holliday dates

but you will have trouble with customs, checkin, and luggage allowance
for example you might have to be in Sao Paulo 3-4 hours before the departure of your return flight, and re-check your baggage, etc ...........

Brazil only gives 23 kg luggage allowance, but if you prove direct international connection you should be ok. On the other leg where you did a stopover, be prepared to pay extra for luggage.

[QUOTE=Omonochie] My concern is that once you rent an apartment, the renter might have a spare key to the room and can attack or rob you baring all precaution and courtsey you exercised.[/QUOTE]

I would be very concerned. Not so much about the apartment owner, but about the 50 ghetto girlfrineds of the 20 recent renters who had a chance to copy the keys. Or if the apartment is being sub-let by a renter.

Actually, I myself had things stolen by the apartment rental agency, some of you guys used her, but she is now dead (alcoholic).

There probably are some door block wedges and door alarms (anyone care to post links?) out there that can help safety a little. But these only help you while you are inside the apartment. But I would rather be robbed while outside the apartment then getting tortured to surrender my pin numbers and wait with a gun toting drug addict watching me while his friend checks out the atm machines with my cards. Actually, even worse is if you have credit cards where you don't even know the pin number and you cannot give it out even under torture.

Sorry for scaring people, it is always good to prepare for the worst. I am not joking, this does happen, though not too frequently. I once rented a place to people with a number safe that nobody had the number too and people were scared shitless as they could not open the safe even under torture.

I myself, ever since I rent rooms (sorry for the spam, did not really mean to), put R$ 500 locks into my doors that have uncopyable keys, sort of like car keys. If a key gets lost, I put in a new lock. I don't like to compromise on safety, I am paranoid. Spent a few thousands on that already, for changing locks and keys.

Brazilian land lords are usually cheap. Cut corners on aircon, mattresses, internet, keys etc. Never seen anyone else use these keys. But the big locksmith store owner has the same lock on his apartment.

Practically every Brazilian you talk to. Except the one you're renting from. Will laugh and say, 'of course the keys have been copied. ' Try to rent direct from owner. Preferably a gringo owner if you're that nervous about it.

[QUOTE=Zingadoon]Practically every Brazilian you talk to. Except the one you're renting from. Will laugh and say, 'of course the keys have been copied. ' Try to rent direct from owner. Preferably a gringo owner if you're that nervous about it.[/QUOTE]

I always copy the keys. If you are worried stay in a hotel, they are usually available for the same price that the "gringo owner" will charge but with a lot more security and comfort.
Apartments in Rio nearly always have a doorman. How does the thief with the spare key get past the doorman? Maybe he knows him, maybe he is the gringo owner!
In ten years of renting apartments in Rio with numerous possibilities for spare keys and dodgy locals I have never had my apartment robbed. But I have had money stolen in hotels. There is a lot of misinformation about who to rent from on this site. My advice would be that if it is your first trip stay in a hotel and use the room safe for valuables. If you want to come back then check out some local rental agencies, see what is available and use your intuition to ascertain if the deal is good or not.
But above all remember the golden rule, in every game there is a fool, if you cannot see the fool then it's you!

[QUOTE=Zingadoon]Practically every Brazilian you talk to. Except the one you're renting from. Will laugh and say, 'of course the keys have been copied. ' Try to rent direct from owner. Preferably a gringo owner if you're that nervous about it.[/QUOTE]

if there was another tenant in there then he and one of his 20 girl friends can have copied the keys. No matter how honest the owner.

Sure, a door man is an additional security. But most door men are not high security guards, and most cheaper buildings have so many people walking in and out that is it not hard to get past the door man.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]

I myself, ever since I rent rooms (sorry for the spam, did not really mean to), put R$ 500 locks into my doors that have uncopyable keys, sort of like car keys. If a key gets lost, I put in a new lock. I don't like to compromise on safety, I am paranoid. Spent a few thousands on that already, for changing locks and keys.

Brazilian land lords are usually cheap. Cut corners on aircon, mattresses, internet, keys etc. Never seen anyone else use these keys. But the big locksmith store owner has the same lock on his apartment.[/QUOTE]

Please do share this lock information.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]I am not sure if I should respond and waste valuable space on needless discussion.

I replied to voyager's post about the same girls charging different prices depending where they were. Help was a special high price space, like Barbarella. I explained that Help was very special in that the same girls were, and especially now ARE available for cheap cheap money elsewhere.

As I always said, you don't get what you pay for: Help girls usually were NOT high class model college middle class girls who actually can ask such prices from Brazilians. One girl I helped to get out of a R$ 20 place immediately got R$ 400 for one hour programs from Brazilians (through a luxury pimp, of course). But she was a college girl, ex business owner, blonde, tall, etc.

By the way, if some of you guys have too much money, I get always pestered by an agency that has TV, Playboy etc bunnies. Probably from R$ 500 to 5000 and more, and more interesting for Brazilians as you would not even know that the girl is famous.

The fact that Help has closed does not change the argument, neither does it change much about the fact that I did not go inside for 10 years.

But please, let us stop this. More useful discussions.


ask your airline. Stopover privileges are expensive unless you are on a very high priced tariff. Just saw that other people have other info, so please do your research and report back to us if the stopover can be done easily and how.

If you just walk out in São Paulo, say good bye to your luggage that goes to Rio. And there might be other contractual agreements preventing you from stopping early and getting out.

* Try a 3 way flight
your city to Sao Paulo
leave Sao Paulo Rio open and buy
Rio to your city.

* More likely you have to buy
your city to Sao Paulo return ticket
and get 2 separate one way flights from Sao Paulo to Rio
Should be ok, fairly cheap and easy and ok to buy on the spot except on rare extremely important holliday dates

but you will have trouble with customs, checkin, and luggage allowance
for example you might have to be in Sao Paulo 3-4 hours before the departure of your return flight, and re-check your baggage, etc ...........

Brazil only gives 23 kg luggage allowance, but if you prove direct international connection you should be ok. On the other leg where you did a stopover, be prepared to pay extra for luggage.[/QUOTE]

You are right about the luggage allowance, however I no longer trust the scales for GOL. When I left the states my bag was weighed at 46lbs. (23 kg). When I was leaving Rio for Fortaleza GOL weighed my bag as 32kg. I had to pay R70 extra!

Do not worry about the peanut gallery. Your reports are as always informative and quite entertaining. Do not let some misguided lurkers deprive the rest of us of you sharing your knowledge and experiences. They definitely have added tremendous value to this forum as a true monger's resource tool. Just pay them no mind and trust me, they will just disappear.
[QUOTE=Christopherd]I probably shouldn't bother replying as a) I have a legal background and you apparently don't, or aren't familiar with the law on this area; b) I post photos and you apparently don't; c) I'm quite familiar with how basic watermark programs work and usually write about something more pertinent, such as finding women, putting photos in photos threads and photo chitchat in photo chitchat threads - all of which you apparently don't.

This is the first batch of photos I have watermarked in ISG. The reason, should you have the faintest interest, is to dissuade trolls who don't post their own original material from taking the photos and posting them on other sections under other countries, passing them off as their own genuine experiences. This has been a reported problem on a number of forums in ISG.

One thing you are right about and that is your post will encourage me to post less pictures, or possibly none at all on the Brasil section. The usefulness of photos is debatable at best, and time-consuming. As I said, it's to help people who actually go out in the field and report to get an idea of the quality/type etc of a country or area - I've often posted a host of very graphic shots as well but that would have been an entirely secondary perk, and not primarily for picture-collectors such as yourself maybe (looking at your back posts).

Perhaps posting photos is better reserved for forums that haven't deteriorated into chitchats and critiques by people who don't post reports. The one photo you moaned about, out of what is the largest contribution of photos of recent days, didn't have your w*nk area fully obscured by the watermark anyway. I am surprised that your imagination has so little exercise when it is such a great source of pleasure to you.

I believe there are a great number of techie forums in the Internet - why not offer your techie-for-dummies advice in there where it might, might, even be welcomed by the even less fortunate?

[note to ISG supporters - this is a photo thread and I loathe to rant without including photos in the post - much of my posting is from a mobile phone and doesn't let me include pics. When I get a moment on a PC, I will try to remember to add some pics to this or a subsequent post that may be useful to people who use the forum as intended etc etc etc.][/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Voyajer1]Do not worry about the peanut gallery. Your reports are as always informative and quite entertaining. Do not let some misguided lurkers deprive the rest of us of you sharing your knowledge and experiences. They definitely have added tremendous value to this forum as a true monger's resource tool. Just pay them no mind and trust me, they will just disappear.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for your kind comments, Voyajer1. However, as you can see from the flak on the photo thread, it really isn't worth the bother . . .

[QUOTE=Cho 637]You are right about the luggage allowance, however I no longer trust the scales for GOL. When I left the states my bag was weighed at 46lbs. (23 kg). When I was leaving Rio for Fortaleza GOL weighed my bag as 32kg. I had to pay R70 extra![/QUOTE]


46 lbs is 21 kg. divide by 2 minus 10%

32 kg is such a blatant mistake, there is something wrong.

But 46 lbs is fairly light luggage. You should have tried another scale.

I suspect you did not pay attention to weighing in the US. 32 kg is 70 lbs. Or you put it wrong on the scale in the US, half outside the scale.

Or they added 25 lbs of drugs to your luggage while it was in transit. Something is very wrong.

[QUOTE=Perkele]Please do share this lock information.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.mul-t-lock.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.multlock.com.br/[/url]

Guess Brazilian pricing is probably triple the US pricing.. If you can find out, let me know. I always bought in Brazil, prices are scary.

They have an interesting lock, where you get a set of 3 keys. If you insert key 2, they cancel key1 automatically. so if key1 gets stolen, you insert key 2 and just go along with life.

Most of the info on this board seems to state that the lower end termas and massagem's in centro are closed over the weekends. Is this true for the Copa area as well. What about VM? What's a poor monger to do if he is in a hotel that does not allow Girl's and is on a limited budget?

[QUOTE=Jwdub]Most of the info on this board seems to state that the lower end termas and massagem's in centro are closed over the weekends. Is this true for the Copa area as well. What about VM? What's a poor monger to do if he is in a hotel that does not allow Girl's and is on a limited budget?[/QUOTE]Centro is a ghost town on weekends. Don't bother, although something might be open. Closer to Copa, there's a small one in Lagoa Machado, on the same street to the right of the big Church that you see when you exit the Metro.

[QUOTE=Jwdub] What's a poor monger to do if he is in a hotel that does not allow Girl's and is on a limited budget?[/QUOTE]Most on this board will tell you to rent an apt an opposed to a hotel.

[QUOTE=Jwdub]Most of the info on this board seems to state that the lower end termas and massagem's in centro are closed over the weekends. Is this true for the Copa area as well. What about VM? What's a poor monger to do if he is in a hotel that does not allow Girl's and is on a limited budget?[/QUOTE][list]VM is 24/7 including holidays. Saturday is one of the busiest days and tends to be pretty crowded by 10pm until the early hours. Sunday mornings don't seem worth the trip to VM if I'm staying in Copa. Centro or closer I'll happily roll in for a look.[/list][list]Centro lower end termas have limited opening at weekends that varies, and generally less girls working. North Centro often has a few still open when the main ones are shut, but after mid-afternoon they are few and far between.[/list][list]Copa doesn't have much in the way of lower end termas; the mid-range cheapies sometimes open at the weekend.[/list]

[color=gray][I]in answer to your question but should probably be on Rio de Janeiro thread - my apologies[/I][/color]

IF a bug bites you in the anus when you are having sex on a disease riddled mattress and you get sick can you sue VM?

[QUOTE=Manute Bol]IF a bug bites you in the anus when you are having sex on a disease riddled mattress and you get sick can you sue VM?[/QUOTE]

No. But if this happens before 2012 you won't even be able to be treated under the National Health Care system. You should either bring your own mattress cover or cover your ass. :)

The question of comparisons comes up every so often - a bit pointless as it's never like for like - but for those like me who strangely enjoy such things, here's what I've been paying this year (for anyone who actually likes my posts, you can find tearly all the reports by backtracking thru my posts list). Regards, C

Brasil from £7 up to £60
Argentina from £5 to £32
Australia £90 (massage & hj)
Philippines from £9 to £20
Singapore £45
Cambodia £17-£34
Scotland £50-£80

[QUOTE=Christopherd]The question of comparisons comes up every so often - a bit pointless as it's never like for like - but for those like me who strangely enjoy such things, here's what I've been paying this year (for anyone who actually likes my posts, you can find tearly all the reports by backtracking thru my posts list). Regards, C

Brasil from £7 up to £60
Argentina from £5 to £32
Australia £90 (massage & hj)
Philippines from £9 to £20
Singapore £45
Cambodia £17-£34
Scotland £50-£80[/QUOTE]
Thailand £6-£51: from 1 pop SW urchin or SW cutie to all night and half of next day (12 hours or so) club or a-gogo girl.

Like you said, it is never comparing apples to apples. But I find that the best service and least hassles (Brasil, Argentina, Australia, Singapore, Thailand) comes from a Thailand club girl or SW. There is nothing like having an all night GFE without discussing price first, putting £20 next to her purse when she is in the shower and she comes and sees it and thanks you from the bottom of her heart.

[QUOTE=Manute Bol]IF a bug bites you in the anus when you are having sex on a disease riddled mattress and you get sick can you sue VM?[/QUOTE]

Yes, you can sue; however, the defendant will successfully argue that you assumed the risk, which is an affirmative defense. :)

[QUOTE=Christopherd]The question of comparisons comes up every so often - a bit pointless as it's never like for like -
Brasil from £7 up to £60
Argentina from £5 to £32
Australia £90 (massage & hj)
Philippines from £9 to £20
Singapore £45
Cambodia £17-£34
Scotland £50-£80[/QUOTE]Whatever. I will stick to Brasil. Much more fun with "a bagunça daqui" and the non-logical way of life. Remember that, in Singapore you cannot spit in the street.

[QUOTE=Jwdub]Most of the info on this board seems to state that the lower end termas and massagem's in centro are closed over the weekends. Is this true for the Copa area as well. What about VM? What's a poor monger to do if he is in a hotel that does not allow Girl's and is on a limited budget?[/QUOTE]

a monger should not choose a hotel that does not allow girls. That is the first question before checking into a hotel: is there a problem with female visitors.

It is legitimate that some hotels want only family oriented business. Many are liberal.

Yes, cheap brothels are reduced on Saturday (very few open with reduced staff and timing) and basically all closed on Sundays). VM is open, but even for my liberal taste VM is too low and filthy.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]The question of comparisons comes up every so often - a bit pointless as it's never like for like - but for those like me who strangely enjoy such things, here's what I've been paying this year (for anyone who actually likes my posts, you can find tearly all the reports by backtracking thru my posts list). Regards, C

Brasil from £7 up to £60
Argentina from £5 to £32
Australia £90 (massage & hj)
Philippines from £9 to £20
Singapore £45
Cambodia £17-£34
Scotland £50-£80[/QUOTE]

You must be British. Most of the world is not too familiar with British pound exchange rate, it would be good if you translated that into dollars or at least euros.

But, whatever the exchange rate, I see you are using the low end prices. In Makati Philippines you can pay much higher prices, and in Brazil most people pay the prices you quote for what in the Philippines would be called short time (under 2 hours).

I found Brazil ridicolous expensive.

Not only mongering also the costs for hotels and food are more than double to that what you pay in Asia.

How much is a LT in Thailand and how much in Brazil?

It is a fact that it is more than 3 years Brazilian currency is the strongest in the world and this made this country more expensive than before.
However when we talk about mongering, considering the average quality and the variety you get, I believe here money is well spent.

[QUOTE=Bigcebu]I found Brazil ridicolous expensive.

Not only mongering also the costs for hotels and food are more than double to that what you pay in Asia.

How much is a LT in Thailand and how much in Brazil?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]a monger should not choose a hotel that does not allow girls. That is the first question before checking into a hotel: is there a problem with female visitors.

It is legitimate that some hotels want only family oriented business. Many are liberal.

Yes, cheap brothels are reduced on Saturday (very few open with reduced staff and timing) and basically all closed on Sundays). VM is open, but even for my liberal taste VM is too low and filthy.[/QUOTE]

Even if you’re staying at a 4-star family hotel for your own comfort or company expense account, sex motels are very popular and numerous that cater to sexual adventures that are very inexpensive f. ex. a 3 hr. session for about $25-45 is worth it with a jacuzzi, king size bed, videos, well stocked mini-refrig., discrete 24/7 kitchen service and more. Almost any town has several motels for this purpose so a couple can get away from home stress and enjoy a few private hours together.

My GF and I would go to this 5 star luxury motel after 11 PM and stay 3-5 hours. Once we stayed to early morning, had breakfast and returned home just before her teenage son left for school. They are so popular one Saturday night we had to wait about 30 minutes in the car before a room was available. Each room has a garage for discretion. Brazilians are much more advanced in this area than most western countries.

Of course if you’re in SP, Rio or other major city going to a motel is not the easiest choice. There must be a cheaper ST hotel for these purposes.

[QUOTE=Bigcebu]I found Brazil ridicolous expensive.
Not only mongering also the costs for hotels and food are more than double to that what you pay in Asia.
How much is a LT in Thailand and how much in Brazil?[/QUOTE]
Apt Thailand: US$123/month (4000 baht) or daily hotel US$35. Apt Brazil: US$769/month (R$1400) or daily US$65 (R$120).

Short Time in Thailand: US$15 (500 baht). Short Time in Brazil: US$82 (R$150).
Long Time in Thailand: US$30 (1000 baht). Long Time in Brazil: They are asking US$220 (R$400) now. Did one the other night for $82 (R$150). Damn R$150 ain't what it used to be; I quit!

Pics are a sample of Thailand from earlier this month. You have to be your own judge of where your money is best spent.

*Current exchange rates at time of post.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Apt Thailand: US$123/month or daily hotel US$35. Apt Brazil: US$770/month or daily US$65.

Long Time in Thailand: US$30. Long Time in Brazil: They are asking US$220 now. Did one the other night for $82 (R$150). Damn R$150 ain't what it used to be; I quit![/QUOTE]

Part of the problem is the Real has increased 25% in value against the US$ since its better days in 2004-06. Another thing is Asia is thousand times more competitive for that market.

[QUOTE=Bigcebu]I found Brazil ridicolous expensive.

Not only mongering also the costs for hotels and food are more than double to that what you pay in Asia.

How much is a LT in Thailand and how much in Brazil?[/QUOTE]

Well as we used to say if you want to dance you have to pay the band.

My vacation is over now but here is a sample of one of my days in Rio recently:

Breakfast: 8 reais
Lunch at the Marriott, BLT with 4 beers: 60 reais
Dinner at Porcao in Flamengo for 2 including 1 bottle of Malbec from Mendoza Argentina: 300 reais
Entrance fee and drinks to 2A2 swing club: 300 reais
Escort fee for dinner/swing club and after swing club party: 400 reais.

Total cost: 1068 reais
1068 reais / 1.8 = $593 dollars.

I didn't do this everyday but a few days, other days were more like 350 reais if I grabbed a girl out of Dolce Vita.

While $593 is a lot of money, it was worth every penny of it plus for me to do that in NY with a professional escort would have cost me thousands.

Yeah - but I don't mind that Brasil has got more expensive for some. I was never a big fan of Help or Termas, my apartment is a few yards from the beach and costs me 50R, I have nice long time at a good price (about 150R or less), and - the big 'and' - I love Brasil. I like Thailand for the weather and nice photo ops but there's less to do for my tastes (I can't dance thai lol) and, even though my porto is relatively low, I am not 100% dependent on people being able to speak English in Brasil. If you travel primarily for mongering and little else, maybe Thailand or the Philippines is a good deal. It's whatever you like. For me, Brasil. A large proportion of Thai & Filipino women I can barely tell apart - races of sweetly squashed noses ;) whereas I easily recognise every Brasilian is an individual. They also tend to have a joy and a dignity that I find exciting (hello, carnaval). Buenos Aires is less hassle. Like Singapore but with better discount.

[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]Part of the problem is the Real has increased 25% in value against the US$ since its better days in 2004-06. Another thing is Asia is thousand times more competitive for that market.[/QUOTE]That may be 20% of the problem. However, 80% of it is this Brazilian math. Hey the exchange rate for these guys is fucked up now. So instead of the R$50 for short time or the R$100-R$150 for long time that we used to get, we will say R$200 for short time and R$400 for long time. I remember when the max you would pay for TLN was R$300. And that was from one of the Help stunners when the exchange rate was twice as much in our favor as it is now. A Balcony or MP rat would not dare fix her mouth to speak anything of that sort.

I need your help guys. I am in Rio and desperately need a cure or some something I can take for a case of "Montezuma`s Revenge"!

[QUOTE=Cho 637]I need your help guys. I am in Rio and desperately need a cure or some something I can take for a case of "Montezuma`s Revenge"![/QUOTE]As soon as we got back from VM last night it got me too. Good thing we left when we did. I'm cool now though. It was that Monchique. I'm through with that place now. It has gone to shit.

[QUOTE=Cho 637]I need your help guys. I am in Rio and desperately need a cure or some something I can take for a case of "Montezuma`s Revenge"![/QUOTE]Go to a farmacia and get some "Imosec," it's the same thing as Imodium. Should plug you right up until the "Revenge" is over.

Get you some cipor 500 a 5pac should cost your about 10us dollars.

[QUOTE=Cho 637]I need your help guys. I am in Rio and desperately need a cure or some something I can take for a case of "Montezuma`s Revenge"![/QUOTE]

I tried to get on 4x4's web site but it said it was not found.

It used to be [url]http://www.quatroporquatro.com.br/[/url]

Does anyone know what it is now?

Thanks,

R4M4E

[QUOTE=Cho 637]I need your help guys. I am in Rio and desperately need a cure or some something I can take for a case of "Montezuma`s Revenge"![/QUOTE]
Diasec (loperamide) - any chemist. If it doesn't sort it I believe the correct thing is to ask the chemist for an antibiotic (tell them what it's for). No script needed. Get well soon.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Yeah. But I don't mind that Brasil has got more expensive for some. I was never a big fan of Help or Termas, my apartment is a few yards from the beach and costs me 50R, I have nice long time at a good price (about 150R or less), and. The big 'and'. I love Brasil. I like Thailand for the weather and nice photo ops but there's less to do for my tastes (I can't dance thai LOL) and, even though my porto is relatively low, I am not 100% dependent on people being able to speak English in Brasil. If you travel primarily for mongering and little else, maybe Thailand or the Philippines is a good deal. It's whatever you like. For me, Brasil. A large proportion of Thai & Filipino women I can barely tell apart. Races of sweetly squashed noses. Whereas I easily recognise every Brasilian is an individual. They also tend to have a joy and a dignity that I find exciting (hello, carnaval). Buenos Aires is less hassle. Like Singapore but with better discount.[/QUOTE]50 Reales? For your living quarters? Rio is full of these airless, lightless sub-standard, noisy, shoe-box sized (so called) apartments. The good ones get passed down like family heirlooms. Finding a truly decent place to stay is one of the biggest downsides of Rio. Compared to Asia, Colombia, and most other places. If you travel primarily for mongering and little else, maybe Brasil is a good deal.

[QUOTE=Zingadoon]50 Reales? For your living quarters? Rio is full of these airless, lightless sub-standard, noisy, shoe-box sized (so called) apartments. The good ones get passed down like family heirlooms. Finding a truly decent place to stay is one of the biggest downsides of Rio. Compared to Asia, Colombia, and most other places. If you travel primarily for mongering and little else, maybe Brasil is a good deal.[/QUOTE]
True, it takes effort, but my apto certainly isn't any of things you mention. It has a separate bedroom, living room, kitchen, bathroom, plus a verandah that is nice for the sun in the morning and looking at the stars at night. If I use the aircon much I let her know and we discuss it and I give her something extra, all on a very friendly basis and a lot of trust. It doesn't have a safe or internet, neither of which I miss, but it is a good respectable apartment block and furnished with a nice personal touch, as a couple of forum members can vouch. And before I get a host of emails, I have introduced four or five people this year to the landlady this year alone, and a couple of said how well they got on with her, but no, I won't pass on the details on the forum or by PM precisely as it is indeed a very respectable place, not a dive, the elderly landlady likes to get to know her tenants, and I only introduce people who I personally meet and who I feel would make a good match, as with any social introductions. But it is not the only decent apartment in Copa that rents at that price. As I have said before, take the time to get to know decent local people. 50R is not standard tourist price, and if people prefer to play Brasil as wealthy tourists worrying about bandwidth, then you have to pay for it. If you truly love Brasil and the people you will fit in and they will give you normal prices. [i]I wasn't boasting - just explaining why I do indeed enjoy myself at a reasonable rate in Brasil over more or less anywhere else, and there are plenty of others who work it out the same.[/i]

Agreed that Brasil has been getting more and more expensive for the past few years. Some things have pretty much doubled in price. Specially airfare within Brasil which was relatively cheap in 2005 is no more.

However, despite the increasing cost of things in Brasil, there is something truly special about Brasil that no other place can match. It's difficult to put it into words. One could write a thick book about the myriad of allures of Brasil. :)

Here's a very short one for starter and to the relief of those who do not enjoy reading much, it's mainly pictures. Enjoy.
Salve o Brasil!
[url]http://matadortrips.com/photo-essay-10-reasons-to-love-brazil[/url]

Cheers.

P.S. BrazilSpecialist, it this day and age of the internet, it's not very difficult to get a conversion from virtually any currency to another one. There are tons of places online and if you have a smart phone such as an iphone you could download a free currency converter right there.

[QUOTE=Jwdub]Most of the info on this board seems to state that the lower end termas and massagem's in centro are closed over the weekends. Is this true for the Copa area as well. What about VM? What's a poor monger to do if he is in a hotel that does not allow Girl's and is on a limited budget?[/QUOTE]

One floor of Uruguaiana 24 and BA 85 are open on Saturday until early afternoon and Leandro Martins #5 is open on Saturday until about 10 pm. True that the selection is not as good as on weekdays, as the better earners, seldom come to work on Saturday. Centro after 1 pm, becomes deserted and may be a bit more risky after dark.
Sunday is a good day for going to the beach, resting and going out with one of the Garotas, previously arranged during the week. (they like to go to the Feira de Sao Cristovao). Barao do Flamengo Motel around Largo do Machado, is affordable at about 50 reais for a Periodo and located near the metro station.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]True, it takes effort, but my apto certainly isn't any of things you mention. It has a separate bedroom, living room, kitchen, bathroom, plus a verandah that is nice for the sun in the morning and looking at the stars at night. If I use the aircon much I let her know and we discuss it and I give her something extra, all on a very friendly basis and a lot of trust. It doesn't have a safe or internet, neither of which I miss, but it is a good respectable apartment block and furnished with a nice personal touch, as a couple of forum members can vouch. And before I get a host of emails, I have introduced four or five people this year to the landlady this year alone, and a couple of said how well they got on with her, but no, I won't pass on the details on the forum or by PM precisely as it is indeed a very respectable place, not a dive, the elderly landlady likes to get to know her tenants, and I only introduce people who I personally meet and who I feel would make a good match, as with any social introductions. But it is not the only decent apartment in Copa that rents at that price. As I have said before, take the time to get to know decent local people. 50R is not standard tourist price, and if people prefer to play Brasil as wealthy tourists worrying about bandwidth, then you have to pay for it. If you truly love Brasil and the people you will fit in and they will give you normal prices. [i]I wasn't boasting - just explaining why I do indeed enjoy myself at a reasonable rate in Brasil over more or less anywhere else, and there are plenty of others who work it out the same.[/i][/QUOTE]Congratulations. You're a man who's found his comfort zone! Enjoy yourself.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]As soon as we got back from VM last night it got me too. Good thing we left when we did. I'm cool now though. It was that Monchique. I'm through with that place now. It has gone to shit.[/QUOTE]If you were in VM, there's a very good chance it wasn't Monchique that did it to you.

[quote=sprite13] [url]http://matadortrips.com/photo-essay-10-reasons-to-love-brazil[/url]

[i] ".....in brazil i have observed locals of all classes, watching crowds on beaches and buses, in malls, restaurants, the slums, and on the streets. many of them have that same twinkle in their eye, an uplifting smile on their face. every single day."[/i]
[/quote]
this is exactly the kind of pueril, stereotypical, stupidly beatific and superficial rose-tinted view about brasil that really cracks me up.

this guy obviously doesn't realize that many women in brasil don't walk with a "twinkle in their eye", as he lyrically raves. if he'd scratched just a bit behind the surface, he'd knew that according to the world health organization, brasil has one of the highest rate of sexual violence/[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]/violence towards women in the world, and that approximately 45% of the women in brasil have suffered physical or sexual violence at some point during their lives (> 15 years of age). being molested doesn't bring brasileiras a "uplifting smile on their face every single day" in my opinion.

one example among dozens others which jeopardize the myth of the carefree and marvelous country populated with easy-going and kind people, and that the happy blind believers and simpleton daydreamers like to peddle.

as you state according to who i don't believe their claims after living 1½ yrs in brazil having contact with so many people and some families. my impression is br m have nonviolent respect for women.

after living many yrs. in europe there are many incidents that muslim men are the most violent individuals on earth towards women and other men. they circumcise their daughters between ages 4-8 especially in somalia and ethiopia. they will kill their daughters if she dates whites (if dad disapproves) to maintain family pride. it happened in sweden, denmark, france etc. see the film “the stoning of soraya m”. they will castrate their daughter’s husband if he cheats, then behead him. it happened in denmark. just look how saudi and afghan men treat their women. 13-16 yr. old teenage muslim boys have gang raped white girls.

a dutch filmmaker was murdered on the streets in the netherlands i think in 2002 or 03 because he exposed the islamic crimes against women in general using a bare breasted ethiopian woman whom spoke of the circumcision she suffered as a child and the charia laws against women f.ex. baring their breasts. i saw the uncensored film on tv. the woman has been living underground ever since because of treats and fear for her life. need i tell more? i can page after page after page. did who forget that part of the planet for fear of retaliation?

[quote=nyc expat]as you state according to who i don't believe their claims after living 1½ yrs in brazil having contact with so many people and some families. my impression is br m have nonviolent respect for women.

after living many yrs. in europe there are many incidents that muslim men are the most violent individuals on earth towards women and other men. they circumcise their daughters between ages 4-8 especially in somalia and ethiopia. they will kill their daughters if she dates whites to maintain family pride. it happened in sweden, denmark, france etc. see the film “the stoning of soraya m”. they will castrate their daughter’s husband if he cheats, then behead him. it happened in denmark. just look how saudi and afghan men treat their women. 13-16 yr. old teenage muslim boys have gang raped white girls. need i tell more? i can page after page after page. did who forget that part of the planet for fear of retaliation?[/quote]
no need to be angry not to harangue the board with anti-muslim malevolent diatribes. anyone with half a brain knows that domestic violence and violence towards women is a real bane in sa, and especially in brasil.

anyhow it's who numbers. no reason to doubt. unless of course you're a un "conspiracy theorist".

and fyi, just note that 80% of the muslims in the world are not arabic and that on 60 islamic countries only a very few (some 3-4) are ruled by the charia (islamic rules), and maybe 10 use charia only for births and marriages. all the others are laics and in those islam is just a cultural heritage. and in those country violence towards women is rather low (lower than in europe, and much lower than in sa, still who numbers). so you can't put together iran, somalia, ethiopia, ect with kazakstan, indonesia or uzbekistan as if islam was a civilisation, each country having its own culture and differences.

and btw women excision (what you call circumcision) is not a specific muslim practice by any means. it is a traditional practice that existed long before islam arrival in africa.

It’s not anger nor to harangue the board with anti-muslim malevolent diatribes. It is known evidence and fact there is more domestic violence elsewhere of an unacceptable, uncivilized, extreme nature compared to what WHO may claim in Brazil. The media in N. Am. is hush. These horrendous crimes need more public attention. Back to topic.

[url]http://digg.com/d3z7PI[/url]
something for everyone eh? Keeps you warm is Khazakstan, generates WHO figures without using a laxative, and let's you be mister nasty in the privacy of your own home.

If your tongue has no bone and flaps easily . . .


To Mr P.: It's not that you're wrong, women in Brasil are frequently worried about being molested, it's just that you're so blinkered, one-sided, and spouting stuff simply to vent your pent up angst over one garota in a million who f*cked you over.

If Alessandra Ambrosia said she wanted sex with you, you'd probably stop to tell her there was something wrong with her. And, in a creepy sort of way, I guess you'd be right. :-P

[quote=nyc expat]as you state according to who i don't believe their claims after living 1½ yrs in brazil having contact with so many people and some families. my impression is br m have nonviolent respect for women.

after living many yrs. in europe there are many incidents that muslim men are the most violent individuals on earth towards women and other men. they circumcise their daughters between ages 4-8 especially in somalia and ethiopia. they will kill their daughters if she dates whites (if dad disapproves) to maintain family pride. it happened in sweden, denmark, france etc. see the film “the stoning of soraya m”. they will castrate their daughter’s husband if he cheats, then behead him. it happened in denmark. just look how saudi and afghan men treat their women. 13-16 yr. old teenage muslim boys have gang raped white girls.

a dutch filmmaker was murdered on the streets in the netherlands i think in 2002 or 03 because he exposed the islamic crimes against women in general using a bare breasted ethiopian woman whom spoke of the circumcision she suffered as a child and the charia laws against women f.ex. baring their breasts. i saw the uncensored film on tv. the woman has been living underground ever since because of treats and fear for her life. need i tell more? i can page after page after page. did who forget that part of the planet for fear of retaliation?[/quote]more out of context information, to what purpose? no monopoly on this anywhere. just no one in us media talks about isreali brothrels stocked with cis and asian women to serve the 'scholars' (i.e. hasidim's). or treatment of wives by their jewsh fundamentalist husbands: 'the hole in the sheet'; the price of rubies, et.al.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]To Mr P.: you're so blinkered, one-sided, and spouting stuff simply to vent your pent up angst over one garota in a million who f*cked you over.[/QUOTE]
Such wit, class and insight. Impressive indeed.

No wonder why Vila Mimosa and Phnom Penh nasty brothels are your favorite playgrounds, and illiterate semi-enslaved skanky prostitutes who had more than a few thousands filthy mongers blow loads of putrid splooge in their gaping pie holes your travel "trophies" and referencial "GFE".

Oh, FYI, no girl ever "fuked me over", would it be in Brasil or FSU. This silly argument only points out your - and your counterparts - weakness in rhetoric.

[QUOTE=Prosal]

And FYI, just note that 80% of the muslims in the world are not arabic and that on 60 islamic countries only a very few (some 3-4) are ruled by the charia (islamic rules, i.e women excision), and maybe 10 use charia only for births and marriages. [/QUOTE]

I could name you here at least 20 countries where the Scharia is law.

Violence and Islam go hand in hand, in Europe, prisons filled with muslims, in france 70% of the inmates are muslims.

[QUOTE=Bigcebu]I could name you here at least 20 countries where the Scharia is law.[/QUOTE]
Oh well ... I don't know why I even care to answer. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Name 20 countries RULED by charia then.

[QUOTE=Bigcebu] in france 70% of the inmates are muslims.[/QUOTE]
On this matter also, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. You get your world knowledge from Fox News ?

The north african/black-ethnic people from 3rd or 4th generation in France are not "religionized". Most are atheists. They are, unfortunately for a majority of them, social rejects.

Back to current topic. Which is a priori WHO numbers for domestic violence and sexual violence towards women in Brasil, whether Mollah Christopher likes it or not.

[QUOTE=Prosal]Oh well ... I don't know why I even care to answer. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Name 20 countries RULED by charia then, smart guy.

On this matter also, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. You get your world knowledge from Fox News ?

The arab-ethnic people from 3rd or 4th generation in France are not "religionized". They are just, unfortunately for a majority of them, social rejects.

Back to current topic. Which is a priori domestic violence and sexual violence towards women in Brasil, whether Mollah Christopher likes it or not.[/QUOTE]I can't believe -- a first: have to agree with Prosal here on this one. Travel and experiencing the Muslim world first-hand puts the lie to anti-Muslim frothing hysteria.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Yeah - but I don't mind that Brasil has got more expensive for some. I was never a big fan of Help or Termas, my apartment is a few yards from the beach and costs me 50R, I have nice long time at a good price (about 150R or less), and - the big 'and' - I love Brasil. I like Thailand for the weather and nice photo ops but there's less to do for my tastes (I can't dance thai lol) and, even though my porto is relatively low, I am not 100% dependent on people being able to speak English in Brasil. If you travel primarily for mongering and little else, maybe Thailand or the Philippines is a good deal. It's whatever you like. For me, Brasil. A large proportion of Thai & Filipino women I can barely tell apart - races of sweetly squashed noses ;) whereas I easily recognise every Brasilian is an individual. They also tend to have a joy and a dignity that I find exciting (hello, carnaval). Buenos Aires is less hassle. Like Singapore but with better discount.[/QUOTE]
Is this 50R per day, week or what?
Including condominium? Temporada? Luz? Number of rooms? Rental period?
Be a bit more specific.

[quote=prosal]this is exactly the kind of pueril, stereotypical, stupidly beatific and superficial rose-tinted view about brasil that really cracks me up.

this guy obviously doesn't realize that many women in brasil don't walk with a "twinkle in their eye", as he lyrically raves. if he'd scratched just a bit behind the surface, he'd knew that according to the world health organization, brasil has one of the highest rate of sexual violence/[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]/violence towards women in the world, and that approximately 45% of the women in brasil have suffered physical or sexual violence at some point during their lives (> 15 years of age). being molested doesn't bring brasileiras a "uplifting smile on their face every single day" in my opinion.

one example among dozens others which jeopardize the myth of the carefree and marvelous country populated with easy-going and kind people, and that the happy blind believers and simpleton daydreamers like to peddle.[/quote]

the metro in rio has special carriages for women for a reason.

the goalkeeper from flamengo recently asked which man hadn't slapped his wife after the striker was accused of beating his girlfriend. it is not the paradise that some try to make out. brasil has its problems but look on the bright side, these problems have helped creat some of the best sex machines on the planet.

[QUOTE=Abzsafado]Is this 50R per day, week or what?
Including condominium? Temporada? Luz? Number of rooms? Rental period?
Be a bit more specific.[/QUOTE]
Errrm . . . I did actually say how many rooms I had. What's a condominium? About 50R a night, sometimes less, including electric except for lots of ac. A bit more or a bit less depending how long I take it for (usually anything from a couple of weeks to a couple of months or so.) Not an agency. Are you asking if it has lights?? Of course it does. And fans and tv and cooker and nice big fridge and hot water and a stereo I've left from last year and keep meaning to fix. Anything else you want to know????

[quote=zingadoon]i can't believe -- a first: have to agree with prosal here on this one. travel and experiencing the muslim world first-hand puts the lie to anti-muslim frothing hysteria.[/quote]


i've been living almost a decade in several different islamic countries and i would say that nyc expat's view is spot on. its impossible to get any statistics on domestic violence in islamic countries because wifebeating is allowed by quran. as simple as that.
also muslims do more sex crimes than anyone else, especially in europe. its known fact that this is one of the reasons why right wing parties are so popular there. in my home country muslims are being convicted of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] in more than 50% of the all cases. there are less than 5% muslims in my home country.
there is no hysteria, the facts are easily being found.

[QUOTE=Prosal]
On this matter also, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. You get your world knowledge from Fox News ?[/QUOTE]

I'm not American and they don't know what trouble with the religion of peace we're having in Europe.

I'm affreid every weekend when I take the subway in Munich. It is very likely to get beat up by turks just cos you're not a Turk/Arab/Muslim.

If you ask them, they all belive in Islam, in France as well.

[QUOTE=Abzsafado]The Metro in Rio has special carriages for women for a reason.
The goalkeeper from Flamengo recently asked which man hadn't slapped his wife after the striker was accused of beating his girlfriend. It is not the paradise that some try to make out. Brasil has its problems but look on the bright side, these problems have helped creat some of the best sex machines on the planet.[/QUOTE]
Brazilian women can be violent too. I have weathered several fits of rage, and I can testify that tempers are much hotter than in Europe. When these kinds of arguments happen, it is safer to conduct them out of the kitchen, at a safe distance from knives!

On the other hand, my experience with quite a few Arabic girls (Algerian, Moroccan, Lebanese, Egyptian, Syrian) and Turkish is that they are very sweet and submissive.

But Moslem North-African girls living in Europe are very agressive.

[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy]Brazilian women can be violent too. I have weathered several fits of rage, and I can testify that tempers are much hotter than in Europe.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. I remember the night when the lovely Bianca from VM Casa 56 let loose on a bunch of noisy gringos spoiling for a fight. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: . . . oops, wasn't you was it? ;) :D

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Absolutely. I remember the night when the lovely Bianca from VM Casa 56 let loose on a bunch of noisy gringos spoiling for a fight.... Oops, wasn't you was it?.[/QUOTE]Hi Christopherd,

Just wondering if the girl in the picture in this post was still available anywhere? Any info would be much appreciated.

RS

[quote=perkele]i've been living almost a decade in several different islamic countries and i would say that nyc expat's view is spot on. its impossible to get any statistics on domestic violence in islamic countries because wifebeating is allowed by quran. as simple as that.

also muslims do more sex crimes than anyone else, especially in europe. its known fact that this is one of the reasons why right wing parties are so popular there. in my home country muslims are being convicted of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] in more than 50% of the all cases. there are less than 5% muslims in my home country.

there is no hysteria, the facts are easily being found.[/quote]repressed sexual frustration needs an outlet! let the muslims take a page from their semitic brothers in tel aviv and import c. i. s. and asian women, open brothrels, and line up to be serviced. or, take flights to brazil, crowd into balcony bar, call escorts, and hit the termas. that's all they need to stop feeling hostility.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]As soon as we got back from VM last night it got me too. Good thing we left when we did. I'm cool now though. It was that Monchique. I'm through with that place now. It has gone to shit.[/QUOTE]
Good hanging out with you Mr E. I don't think that it was Monchique. Mine lasted until I got back home. I tried something "Repoflor", which seemed to be working until I ate some yogurt on the plane. BIG mistake! Surprisingly Pepto Bismal took care of the "Revenge" But, I'm currently taking an antibiotic.
Thanks for the advice guys!

[QUOTE=Zingadoon]Repressed sexual frustration needs an outlet! Let the muslims take a page from their semitic brothers in tel aviv and import C. I. S. And asian women, open brothrels, and line up to be serviced. Or, take flights to Brazil, crowd into balcony bar, call escorts, and hit the termas. That's all they need to stop feeling hostility.[/QUOTE]

I disagree.

There is only one cure for them.

Ok this is getting stupid.

There is no need for religous debates on here.

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I'm heading to Brazil in May. (Around Memorial Day week) and I was wondering where would be the best place to get my visa? I'm in NYC so there is a consulate here but if there is a better way I'm all ears

[QUOTE=David Smash]I'm heading to Brazil in May. (Around Memorial Day week) and I was wondering where would be the best place to get my visa? I'm in NYC so there is a consulate here but if there is a better way I'm all ears[/QUOTE]

I don't know of a better way, if you are in NY then go to the consulate get the paperwork and the specifics and then drop it off or go online first. If you don't have the time then you can have a VISA service do the footwork for you, which is what I do every 5 years because I don't have the time. I send my documents to the agency, they go to the consulate drop it off and then pick it up and then send it to me via fedex, very simple and easy but I have to pay for it.

[QUOTE=David Smash]I'm heading to Brazil in May. (Around Memorial Day week) and I was wondering where would be the best place to get my visa? I'm in NYC so there is a consulate here but if there is a better way I'm all ears[/QUOTE]

Do not go to the consulate first. You have to go online to the Brazilian Consulate website and fill out the application on line. You print it out after completion and send it in (or drop it off) with your passport sized photos and your passport. The process is very well done and documented. You can track each stage of the application, receipt of documents and passport, and return mailing, all from the website.

I used to use a Visa service, but the Brazilian Consulate has become so efficient that the last one I did via mail, received my visa in less than 8 days.

Just go read:

[url]http://en.brazilny.org/index.php?/consulado/anchor/tourist/[/url]

Thanks for the advice everybody I think just going t the consulate. Anyone know anywhere in Rio with a nice studio for around 60-70 a night

[QUOTE=David Smash]Thanks for the advice everybody I think just going t the consulate. Anyone know anywhere in Rio with a nice studio for around 60-70 a night[/QUOTE]I just reserved a studio through Kenn@ez-riorentals for 120 reais ($67) a day. He was highly regarded in Bubba's report and answered a lot of what had to be very inane questions that I had about what to expect.

What's the policy on taking taxi's to termas? I remember people mentioning that taxi's will take you to termas free of charge because they are then paid a commission from the termas that you go to, is that still true and if so, how does one tell the taxi driver of this?

RS911

[QUOTE=Redsox911]What's the policy on taking taxi's to termas? I remember people mentioning that taxi's will take you to termas free of charge because they are then paid a commission from the termas that you go to, is that still true and if so, how does one tell the taxi driver of this?

RS911[/QUOTE]Last November Monte Carlo and Centaurus were paying the taxis, I would get a taxi in front of Meia Pataca and tell the driver:

"Eu quero ir à Centaurus, eu não pago, a Centaurus via te pagar"

I did that a few times and I did not have to pay. Not sure if they are still paying the taxis.

Thinking about returning to Rio in May.

What is the weather/GDP scene like?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=San Diego Law]Thinking about returning to Rio in May.

What is the weather/GDP scene like?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
Rio de Janeiro is warm all year round. Normal May weather will be in the mid to low 20s and begin to cool toward the end of the month when winter weather arrives. This year has been unusually wet with more rains than normal and May could be colder than normal.

GDP activity in May should be normal with most of the action in Copacabana centered around the north end of the bairro, specifically Balcony Bar. The puta economy is normal this year so there is no negative force on the availability of GDPs. May is not a high tourist or monger travel month so the availability of GDPs may taper off a little as the clientele thins out.

This is only my personal forecast. Just remember, there are no facts about the future. ;)

[QUOTE=Redsox911]What's the policy on taking taxi's to termas? I remember people mentioning that taxi's will take you to termas free of charge because they are then paid a commission from the termas that you go to, is that still true and if so, how does one tell the taxi driver of this?

RS911[/QUOTE]This is only my second time in Rio but I have not had a taxi take me to any termas for free. I have had them attempt to talk me into other termas then the one I was going. I do believe they do get some sort of commission. Solorium seems to one of them thye WANT to take you to. Any it is closer than some.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]I don't know of a better way, if you are in NY then go to the consulate get the paperwork and the specifics and then drop it off or go online first. If you don't have the time then you can have a VISA service do the footwork for you, which is what I do every 5 years because I don't have the time. I send my documents to the agency, they go to the consulate drop it off and then pick it up and then send it to me via fedex, very simple and easy but I have to pay for it.[/QUOTE]I have used service a couple of times. Requested 5 year visa both times. First time got 90 day visa (3 years ago).

This time the visa is alot more modern and not just a stamp.

This time I got a 5 year visa.

Believe it is luck of the draw even with a service

I met a girl from recife and am thinking of flying to meet her. Usually my flights to Colombia are cheap from Miami, however... WOW!! I got some sticker shock at the cost of flights to recife. what airlines serve Brasil from Mimi or Orlando anyone know? expedia was talking about flights that lasted 2 days and multiple stops crazy shit.

[QUOTE=Trickbaby]I met a girl from recife and am thinking of flying to meet her. Usually my flights to Colombia are cheap from Miami, however... WOW!! I got some sticker shock at the cost of flights to recife. what airlines serve Brasil from Mimi or Orlando anyone know? expedia was talking about flights that lasted 2 days and multiple stops crazy shit.[/QUOTE]

American has direct flights and right now they have a sale going if you complete your trip by June 10th. What they call a "sale".

[QUOTE=Trickbaby]I met a girl from recife and am thinking of flying to meet her. Usually my flights to Colombia are cheap from Miami, however... WOW!! I got some sticker shock at the cost of flights to recife. what airlines serve Brasil from Mimi or Orlando anyone know? expedia was talking about flights that lasted 2 days and multiple stops crazy shit.[/QUOTE]
TAM, serves Brazil with a few US airports

Here are two websites that provide business news and general news about Brazil.

[url]http://brazil-weekly.com/[/url]

[url]http://riotimesonline.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Smooth Slim]Here are two websites that provide business news and general news about Brazil.

[url]http://brazil-weekly.com/[/url]

[url]http://riotimesonline.com/[/url][/QUOTE]

Good info. Thanks

[QUOTE=Trickbaby]I met a girl from recife and am thinking of flying to meet her. Usually my flights to Colombia are cheap from Miami, however... WOW!! I got some sticker shock at the cost of flights to recife. what airlines serve Brasil from Mimi or Orlando anyone know? expedia was talking about flights that lasted 2 days and multiple stops crazy shit.[/QUOTE]
Try buying separate tickets on expedia. Example: Buy one from Miami to Sao Paulo or Rio round trip and another SP/Rio-Recife round trip. Make sure you buy them well in advance. Also, keep in mind that generally you will pay less for a flight that has a connection than for a direct flight.

I don't know if your sole purpose of the trip is to meet someone or not. But if it is, I would not recommend you go only in hopes of meeting that one person. The chances of them not showing up is heavily on the unlikely side. Another alternative is to buy your ticket to SP/Rio and buy her a ticket from Recife to SP/Rio. That way if you find out she was not as reliable as you thought, you can get a portion of your money back and will not feel as if you have wasted your time and/or money because you will still be in one of the best mongering cities in the world.

[QUOTE=Trickbaby]I met a girl from recife and am thinking of flying to meet her. Usually my flights to Colombia are cheap from Miami, however... WOW!! I got some sticker shock at the cost of flights to recife. what airlines serve Brasil from Mimi or Orlando anyone know? expedia was talking about flights that lasted 2 days and multiple stops crazy shit.[/QUOTE]IF you're already grumbling and taking pause over the cost of a flight and you haven't even gotten to Brazil yet, this doesn't bode well for you. Brasilians are a pretty free-spending people when they have the cash. And, when they don't, there are always friends to rely on.

Do I have to buy their beer?

Can I bring my own beer in a small cooler bag to the beach,
or will I likely be chased off? This goes for hooker beach and
places in Ipanema.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Koolkid]Do I have to buy their beer?

Can I bring my own beer in a small cooler bag to the beach,
or will I likely be chased off? This goes for hooker beach and
places in Ipanema.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Yes, you must.

[QUOTE=Koolkid]Do I have to buy their beer?

Can I bring my own beer in a small cooler bag to the beach,
or will I likely be chased off? This goes for hooker beach and
places in Ipanema.

Thanks[/QUOTE]
You can buy your beer from whoever you want.
Of course you can also bring a cooler bag if you want.

I always buy a beach chair when I arrive in Rio. It becomes cheaper that way, and I don't have to sit in other peoples sweat. I stay so close to the beach so it's no problem bringing it.

I have my favourite barraca where I always stay. I buy my drinks from them and in return I use their showers.

When going to the beach with my GF she usually brings a cooler bag stuffed with cold beers, sandwiches etc.

The beach vendors in front of Othon Palace are a bunch of worthless scumbags who lives on ripping off gringos. They might try to invent their own rules. I would never spend a single centavo on those lowlifes.

[QUOTE=Sperto]
The beach vendors in front of Othon Palace are a bunch of worthless scumbags who lives on ripping off gringos. They might try to invent their own rules. I would never spend a single centavo on those lowlifes.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, through the years I have sat there a few times but last time was about 2001. I never spend a dime there but all those scumbags still remember my name even though I don't have a hard one.

When I was in Rio last walking down Copa I happen to stop in front of HO beach on the sidewalk just to look at the beach to see if anything interesting is there. An old woman tried to sell me something but I told her no thank you then she calls over one of these scum bags and says to him, look a potential customer, he just said no that's Bob and he waived and said Hi. They don't bother me anymore.

The quality on ho beach, in front of Othon Palace, is ridiculously low nowadays. The only amusement there is the crazy black dog running around chasing pigeons.

[QUOTE=Sperto]The quality on ho beach, in front of Othon Palace, is ridiculously low nowadays. The only amusement there is the crazy black dog running around chasing pigeons.[/QUOTE]

Once in a while you can find more than pigeons there:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWucgMuOpiM[/url]

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Once in a while you can find more than pigeons there:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWucgMuOpiM[/url][/QUOTE]
Lovely boobies. Some nice videos you got on Youtube.

And I mean that:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcC_2mdymyE[/url]

They don't get that I'm taking a video because my video camera doesn't look like a video camera, it looks like a still camera. She is wearing my reading glasses, for some reason she liked them and wore them all night while we went out on the town, she wore them for days. Now everytime I look at my glasses I think of her:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApcxxQjXOLs[/url]

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]They don't get that I'm taking a video because my video camera doesn't look like a video camera, it looks like a still camera. She is wearing my reading glasses, for some reason she liked them and wore them all night while we went out on the town, she wore them for days. Now everytime I look at my glasses I think of her:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApcxxQjXOLs[/url][/QUOTE]
I have some [b]very hot[/b] videos from the Rio carnival in the early nineties (Hi8), but I guess Youtube wouldn't approve... to much pink flesh.

The Adam and Eve baile in Help, Flamengo baile in Scala and Baile das Panteras in Monte Libano.

(Actually there was another guy filming in those bailes, and on the beach, named Bob... :))

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Now everytime I look at my glasses I think of her:[/QUOTE]
Speaking of glasses...
At Remulos, the best strip club in Brazil (Manaus), I was admiring a fabulous stripper who got all the attention of the males in the club. She was just outstanding.

She went down on the stage spreading her legs in front of a very old guy leaning up on the stage with glasses as thick as coke-bottles. She took of his glasses, inserted them deeply in her vagina, pulled them back and forth and then put them back on the old guy.

The old gentleman blinked like an owl, took of his glasses, wiped them gently with a handkerchief and continued to watch the show just as nothing had happened.

[QUOTE=Sperto]I have some [b]very hot[/b] videos from the Rio carnival in the early nineties (Hi8), but I guess Youtube wouldn't approve... to much pink flesh.

The Adam and Eve baile in Help, Flamengo baile in Scala and Baile das Panteras in Monte Libano.

(Actually there was another guy filming in those bailes, and on the beach, named Bob... :))[/QUOTE]

You have to clean up the videos a little, they don't allow nudity.

Well, I believe the Bob you are talking about took a lot of videos in years past during Carnaval at the Adam and Eve baile in Help, Flamengo baile in Scala and Baile das Panteras in Monte Libano and on the beach and in Help.

His nickname is VideoBob, he is a friend of mine but he is not me LOL. I have his videos too.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]His nickname is VideoBob, he is a friend of mine but he is not me LOL.[/QUOTE]
VideoBob. Right!

[QUOTE=Trickbaby]I met a girl from recife and am thinking of flying to meet her. Usually my flights to Colombia are cheap from Miami, however... WOW!! I got some sticker shock at the cost of flights to recife. what airlines serve Brasil from Mimi or Orlando anyone know? expedia was talking about flights that lasted 2 days and multiple stops crazy shit.[/QUOTE]

You don't say when you plan to take this trip. Airfares fluctuate daily, weekly and monthly. I have been watching various airlines for a trip in a few months from now and initially I felt the same as you, too high. Yesterday I saw Tam's flight from JFK to Rio with 1 stop in Sao Paulo come down $100 RT but not the non stop that I really want to take that arrives in Rio at 5:30 AM. Today I noticed that the non stop came down $100 also but it is still higher than the one stop flight.

The one stop flight gets into Rio at 10:30 AM which is not bad but there is a 3 hour layover in SP, this hurts. So I feel the extra money to get in at 5:30 am is worth it, I could be in my apt by 7 am and on the beach by 8.

I am tempted to pull the trigger today on the non-stop but it could go down even more in the next couple of months and at the same time if business picks up it could go up. Today being Saturday they sometimes lower the fares on weekends to entice people to buy then come Monday fares go up again. Had this happen to me with a cruise recently, checked the fare Sunday night and it came down $1,000; I pulled the trigger that minute because I knew what the price was that previous Friday. Today that cruise is $1,500 more than what I paid for it. This is the nature of the business, you have to have patience and know the right time to buy.

I just bought the ticket on the Bacc site, same flight on Orbitz is $251 more and I got the nonstop from JFK to Rio, Rio to JFK. I havn;t been on a nonstop to Rio in a long time, it should be good.

Try these guys:

[url]http://www.bacctravel.com/[/url]

Haven't posted in a while, same old faces still posting. Bob, Sperto, Exec haven't you guys got anything better to do ;-)

I am so glad to be back !!!!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Haven't posted in a while, same old faces still posting. Bob, Sperto, Exec haven't you guys got anything better to do ;-)

I am so glad to be back !!!![/QUOTE]
Bubba Boy, welcome back to the bunda forum.

I'm looking forward to your quality posts with interesting reading.

[QUOTE=Phunluv]Here's a list of tips/ideas to keep the nosy garotas off your data:

First of all, set your chat programs to not remember your password before you go off on your trip; you should also set the history in your browser down to zero or one day only, before you travel. And reconfigure your browser to forget the usernames and passwords for sites like this one and any other "special" sites.

Learn how to use the other security features of your web browser, and keep a folder of your special files and pics nested deep in your computer, preferably encrypted as well. I would suggest you learn and use an encryption program if you're concerned about the privacy of your pics and other files.

In the Firefox browser, you can set a "master password" that keeps all your passwords for your mail accounts, etc. You configure the browser so that after 10-15 minutes of no activity, you have to type in the master password again if you access your mail or some other site that needs credentials. Or just restart the browser before letting ANY guest go on it, not just gdps!

Not sure about IE since I haven't used it in ages but the latest version of Firefox has a "private browsing" feature that you can turn on before going on your p4p or any other special sites. No browsing history or password is ever recorded in "private mode."

Or you can use an alternate browser (Seamonkey, Chrome, Safari) for checking out p4p or other "special" sites while keeping FireFox and IE for mainstream browsing.

[RED]If the above sounds like too much or you have no clue what I'm talking about, the easiest thing to do is to create a secondary account on your system for any guest who goes on your computer; but I prefer a combination of some of the above just to be on the sure side.[/RED]

Good luck, and don't take what the gdps say too seriously![/QUOTE]


All good options, I think the easiest one though is to set up another guest account on your Windows operating system.

Go to your Control Panel
Choose User accounts and familt safety
Choose add or remove user accounts and add a guest account to your system, probably no need to password protect it.

Add a password to your user account so she can't switch over to your account.

While a user is in a guest account it's like they are on a completely different computer, they cannot see any of your files or history in your browser, absolutely nothing.

I'm going on a trip with my son soon, I will take my laptop, I set up a guest account for him, he can do anything he wants on my laptop but see any of my data, it's a good approach.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]All good options, I think the easiest one though is to set up another guest account on your Windows operating system.

Go to your Control Panel

Choose User accounts and familt safety

Choose add or remove user accounts and add a guest account to your system, probably no need to password protect it.

Add a password to your user account so she can't switch over to your account.

While a user is in a guest account it's like they are on a completely different computer, they cannot see any of your files or history in your browser, absolutely nothing.

I'm going on a trip with my son soon, I will take my laptop, I set up a guest account for him, he can do anything he wants on my laptop but see any of my data, it's a good approach.[/QUOTE]I might be an a**hole but.

I am afraid they might access a site that downloads a virus or some other nasty to my PC so unless I am watching over their shoulder I don't let them use my PC and it is always password protected when I am not on it.

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The website ranks cities on seven factors: weather, cost of living, professional life, dating, night on the town, day on the town and this year's newcomer, fresh air factor.

It uses data from the United Nations and global consultancy Mercer, among others.

Following is this year's list of top 29 cities for men. 1. New York City 2. Melbourne 3. Tokyo 4. Madrid 5. London 6. Cape Town 7. Miami 8. Buenos Aires 9. Sydney 10. San Francisco 11. Paris 12. Los Angeles 13. Hong Kong 14. Tel Aviv 15. Barcelona 16. Sao Paulo 17. Berlin 18. Lisbon 19. Beirut 20. Istanbul 21. Shanghai 22. Montreal 23. Amsterdam 24. Chicago 25. Toronto 26. Kyoto 27. Bogota 28. Rome 29. Las Vegas.

Read more: [url]http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/36648854/ns/today-today_travel/?GT1=43001#ixzz0msf5lZvW[/url]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]
The website ranks cities on seven factors: weather, cost of living, professional life, dating, night on the town, day on the town and this year's newcomer, fresh air factor. It uses data from the United Nations and global consultancy Mercer, among others.

Following is this year's list of top 29 cities for men. 1. New York City 2. Melbourne 3. Tokyo 4. Madrid 5. London 6. Cape Town 7. Miami 8. Buenos Aires 9. Sydney 10. San Francisco 11. Paris 12. Los Angeles 13. Hong Kong 14. Tel Aviv 15. Barcelona 16. Sao Paulo 17. Berlin 18. Lisbon 19. Beirut 20. Istanbul 21. Shanghai 22. Montreal 23. Amsterdam 24. Chicago 25. Toronto 26. Kyoto 27. Bogota 28. Rome 29. Las Vegas.[/QUOTE]

Interesting, but as places to [I]live. [/I]Not to [I]monger[/I].[color=gray] ("We're positioning the best cities that you can live in say, for a year")[/color]

Compare it with the main cities of the hotlist countries from ISG's homepage:
Argentina,*Brazil,*Czech Rep., China,*Colombia,*Costa Rica,*Dom. Rep.,*Germany,*Indonesia,*Malaysia,*Peru,*Philippines,*Thailand,*Tijuana,*Russia,*UAE / Dubai

Not surprisingly, Buenos Aires makes the cross-over. P4P readily available without going out of your way, legit, in fairly easy reach of other more exotic locations, a recognisably 'Western' lifestyle, viagra if you want it at the cost of smarties, and a vibrant non-monger nightlife to boot. Berlin and Sao Paolo also make it, as does Bogota.

Of the cities on the Mercer list, New York might be great for most things, but hellish for mongering. Tokyo is like a Rubik cube. And Melbourne is expensive 'hobbying.' Hong Kong has the advantage of a reasonable amount of home-grown and ready access to cheaper SE Asia. Sydney is a hedonistic version of Melbourne, expensive, and still a long way from anywhere. London has some perks but the UK as a whole is in the throes of repressive sex laws. I have visited a large proportion of the cities and countries on both lists and concede a bias for Rio. Though I feel some mongers on the board would be much happier in BsAs or even Sao Paolo.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]
Following is this year's list of top 29 cities for men. 1. New York City 2. Melbourne 3. Tokyo 4. Madrid 5. London 6. Cape Town 7. Miami 8. Buenos Aires 9. Sydney 10. San Francisco 11. Paris 12. Los Angeles 13. Hong Kong 14. Tel Aviv 15. Barcelona 16. Sao Paulo 17. Berlin 18. Lisbon 19. Beirut 20. Istanbul 21. Shanghai 22. Montreal 23. Amsterdam 24. Chicago 25. Toronto 26. Kyoto 27. Bogota 28. Rome 29. Las Vegas.[/QUOTE]

They all suck for mongering.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Last year's top five cities, according to Askmen.com, were: Chicago, Barcelona, San Francisco, London and Sydney.

The website ranks cities on seven factors: weather, cost of living, professional life, dating, night on the town, day on the town and this year's newcomer, fresh air factor.

It uses data from the United Nations and global consultancy Mercer, among others.

Following is this year's list of top 29 cities for men. 1. New York City 2. Melbourne 3. Tokyo 4. Madrid 5. London 6. Cape Town 7. Miami 8. Buenos Aires 9. Sydney 10. San Francisco 11. Paris 12. Los Angeles 13. Hong Kong 14. Tel Aviv 15. Barcelona 16. Sao Paulo 17. Berlin 18. Lisbon 19. Beirut 20. Istanbul 21. Shanghai 22. Montreal 23. Amsterdam 24. Chicago 25. Toronto 26. Kyoto 27. Bogota 28. Rome 29. Las Vegas.

Read more: [url]http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/36648854/ns/today-today_travel/?GT1=43001#ixzz0msf5lZvW[/url][/QUOTE]

I wouldn't mind living the good life in Rio de Janeiro, Barcelona or Buenos Aires.

I don't care about the rest.

Anyone have any recomendations? Thought I might try a bottle or 2 while
I'm here.

Thanks

Not the best place for wine.

Well, I have at least a suggestion: Don Laurindo Reserva Tannat 2002

[QUOTE=Koolkid]Anyone have any recomendations? Thought I might try a bottle or 2 while
I'm here.

Thanks[/QUOTE]
Reasonably priced tintos are Miolo Select, about R$18, Miolo Reserva about R$25, and Chilena wine Santa Helena Reserva R$20 to R$35 depending on year. These are the prices to expect in super mercados and wine stores. Restaurant prices will be slightly higher.

OK thanks, i'll give these a look.

I am able to access GPGuia without a proxy from Netherlands. +Google Toolbar for translations.

Can everyone else access it without a proxy?

[QUOTE=Erectus Indicus]I am able to access GPGuia without a proxy from Netherlands. +Google Toolbar for translations.

Can everyone else access it without a proxy?[/QUOTE]

Yes, GpGuia put up a new site a couple of months ago and the block to non-Brasilian users was not reinstated. Let's hope it stays this way.

[quote=koolkid]anyone have any recomendations? thought i might try a bottle or 2 while
i'm here.

thanks[/quote]


from what i have read and seen brazil is trying to do what argentina and chile have done with producing wine.

i had a brazilian merlot once in the mariott hotel that was very good.

i had a brazilian sparkling wine once at a friend’s house that was very good.

these wines are being produced in the south of brazil where the climate is cooler and good for growing grapes not only that but the traditional know how is there with the italian and german descent people who are known for making wine in europe.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]Yes, GpGuia put up a new site a couple of months ago and the block to non-Brasilian users was not reinstated. Let's hope it stays this way.[/QUOTE]
Can someone please provide the link? Would be much appreciated.....thanks!

[QUOTE=Mangera]Can someone please provide the link? Would be much appreciated.....thanks![/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.gpguia.net/[/url]

[QUOTE=Erectus Indicus]I am able to access GPGuia without a proxy from Netherlands. +Google Toolbar for translations.

Can everyone else access it without a proxy?[/QUOTE]

The site was down a good part of March while they were changing the server or something like that. Even with my special access code (belonging to moderators) I was unable to access it from abroad (for two or three weeks).Now it's working almost properly.

As it was mentioned in this site you can access it now from eveywhere around the world. The only problem is that some functions are not working properly (like the search function for instance)

[QUOTE=Sui Generis]The site was down a good part of March while they were changing the server or something like that. Even with my special access code (belonging to moderators) I was unable to access it from abroad (for two or three weeks).Now it's working almost properly.

As it was mentioned in this site you can access it now from eveywhere around the world. The only problem is that some functions are not working properly (like the search function for instance)[/QUOTE]

I have had no problem with the search function if I log on.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]I have had no problem with the search function if I log on.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. They must have been repaired it recently because two weeks ago I was unable to read posts from my favorites posters (AltoBomGosto or my mentor Gringo Aposentado) with the aid of the search function. Now everything is fine.

I am look for these DVD. Women Of The World, Vol. 2: Rio De Janeiro, Brazil.

If anyone know where I can buy it or rent it.

Please advice

[QUOTE=Poucolouco][url]http://www.gpguia.net/[/url][/QUOTE]

Thank you Poucolouco!

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]Yes, GpGuia put up a new site a couple of months ago and the block to non-Brasilian users was not reinstated. Let's hope it stays this way.[/QUOTE]
finally! at last:)

Well, I'm with GPGuia since 2004. It was for a long time one of my favorite forum. I have over 500 posts there. But since a couple of month, I consult also another site that I consider reliable.

I don't know if I can post the link here (if not the moderator will erase it):
[url]http://www.forumsd.com.br/phpBB/[/url]

The advantage with this other forum is that they organize big GT (get together). It seems that this practice that was once habitual with GpGuia doesn't exist anymore. There were first of all a big event in September (they didn't organized one last year), they had an Halloween party (they didn't organized one last year), they had a B-day party for GP the man behind the GpGuia in November (and they didn't have one last year). The only big parties that I am aware of now are organized by the ForumSD (habitually at Miruna: a swing club in Moema).

On the other hand a lot of the most active members of the GpGuia are now with ForumSd.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Interesting, but as places to [I]live. [/I]Not to [I]monger[/I].[color=gray][/QUOTE]
True mongers paradises are beyond the frontiers of mass-prostitution areas that are on the "sex-tourism map" since loooooong.

There's still many of them, but it's certainly not Rio (or Nordeste), TJ, Thailand, Phnom Penh, D.R, ect, ect.

I have voice messages on my phone that I can not access
as I do not know the mailbox number. Is there a standard one
for TIM to use?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Koolkid]I have voice messages on my phone that I can not access
as I do not know the mailbox number. Is there a standard one
for TIM to use?

Thanks[/QUOTE]
try to go on TIM Brazil website and maybe they list the service numbers to access various services incl voice mail
Antoher alternatie is going on the SIM icon or set up it might list the services.
Last chance is to scroll the phone book of the SIM and look for the voicemail

[QUOTE=Bionicman]try to go on TIM Brazil website and maybe they list the service numbers to access various services incl voice mail
Antoher alternatie is going on the SIM icon or set up it might list the services.
Last chance is to scroll the phone book of the SIM and look for the voicemail[/QUOTE]

Voice mail is *100, if I remember correctly. *222# is to find out the remaining prepay balance. Also check your SIM card phonebook. It might list it as "Caixa postal".

[QUOTE=Stinky Squid]Voice mail is *100, if I remember correctly. *222# is to find out the remaining prepay balance. Also check your SIM card phonebook. It might list it as "Caixa postal".[/QUOTE]

Thanks I've found it in my address book under Caixa postal. I don't understand the recorded message, so don't know what number to press for which option she reads. If anyone knows that would be great.

[QUOTE=Koolkid]Thanks I've found it in my address book under Caixa postal. I don't understand the recorded message, so don't know what number to press for which option she reads. If anyone knows that would be great.[/QUOTE]

I've been there. If I heard the message, I could tell you. But I don't remember it now. Try the first option she gives you.

Hey, why don't you ask your Hotel concierge? I have found these guys very helpful. I had them help me with so many things, including understanding a voicemail from my GF's family, deciphering SMSs, etc. She was calling me from that help desk too and they were translating for us. I felt really safe in the hand of these people, they were very understanding and helpful. Give them a chance.

[QUOTE=Stinky Squid]......... I felt really safe in the hand of these people, they were very understanding and helpful. Give them a chance.[/QUOTE]
..and give them a tip too :)

Below Sui Generis mentioned a new website or a least to me regarding mongering in Brazil. I noticed Massari is very active on that site. He is a great guy and very helpful.

[QUOTE=Enricos]Below Sui Generis mentioned a new website or a least to me regarding mongering in Brazil. I noticed Massari is very active on that site. He is a great guy and very helpful.[/QUOTE]

There's some cool cats on this site. My buddy Altobomgosto is one of them. Famous posters are also there (like my friend Coobra, for instance) Two girls that I know are also behind this site : Bellaxxx and Deyse Loira.

Massari is an institution by himself. While I was with my buddy Altobomgosto in the Privê Redway, I met the organizer of the last FSD's GT , Eros Millenium. A very nice person. This is not a new site (I think that it's four or five years old) but GP Guia was working as a vortex or a maelstrom engulfing everything around it.

When I was celebrating ABG's birthday in the apt of two garotas (Agatha Lemos and Julia Guedes: both of thew are not active anymore: one is in Germany right now the other quitted because she's getting married) they showed pics of a FSD's GT where they participated. I saw the picture of several posters that are well know.

Hola Brazil Mongers. I am Zon. I have spent a ton of time in the DR and Colombia. Now that I FINALLY have gotten the gist of Spanish. I am thinking why not Portuguese! Seriously, I have spoken to a couple guys in the last week that advise me to at least check out Brazil before I sign a long term lease in Medellin Colombia. HELL THEY MIGHT BE RIGHT.

First a confession: I am only a border line monger. I prefer non-pros. (I know. I know. Maybe I just have not learned my lesson yet) I would like to get some recommendations on possible cities that satisfy the following criteria:

1- Nice place to fall in love with. I am sort of looking for a second home. 3. 6 months a year.

2. As good of currency exchange / cost of living factor that we can expect from the US Dollar

3. Women that are hot and fairly in play. That means that I have at least some chance of developing honest, "normal" relationships. In Colombia, the women (and men) lack authenticity. It takes much time to overcome the gringo bulls eye on your back.

4. What is the normal league? Again, in the DR, the fattest and ugliest and oldest guy in the world can be with Miss Universe and nobody sees the difference. In Colombia, as long as a guy keeps himself together, there is no real dating ceiling. A 50 year old can date a smoking 22 year old and nobody laughs behind your back. How does this figure in Brazil? Are there different standards in different regions?

Sorry for the virgin questions Vets. I am just trying to get a fast readying. I will dig into the archive reports and start doing my reserach too.

[QUOTE=Iam Zon]
1- Nice place to fall in love with. I am sort of looking for a second home. 3. 6 months a year.

2. As good of currency exchange / cost of living factor that we can expect from the US Dollar

3. Women that are hot and fairly in play. That means that I have at least some chance of developing honest, "normal" relationships. In Colombia, the women (and men) lack authenticity. It takes much time to overcome the gringo bulls eye on your back.

4. What is the normal league? Again, in the DR, the fattest and ugliest and oldest guy in the world can be with Miss Universe and nobody sees the difference. In Colombia, as long as a guy keeps himself together, there is no real dating ceiling. A 50 year old can date a smoking 22 year old and nobody laughs behind your back. How does this figure in Brazil? Are there different standards in different regions?

Sorry for the virgin questions Vets. I am just trying to get a fast readying. I will dig into the archive reports and start doing my reserach too.[/QUOTE]

too long to answer typing. Send me a pm with your contact info and we can chat on the phone.

Depends a lot on your age, looks, game, .....

Fortaleza and Natal come into my mind. Manaus and Belem if you don't mind blander cities with more foreigner-friendly girls .......

I have 2 days left and I would like to buy some good quality cachaca
and the wooden utensils and shaker they use to make caipirinha.

In most bars I've been in, it seems to be some sort of wooden set that
they use. Can anyone point me in the right direction as to where I can buy
this so I can take it back with me.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Iam Zon]Hola Brazil Mongers. I am Zon. I have spent a ton of time in the DR and Colombia. Now that I FINALLY have gotten the gist of Spanish. I am thinking why not Portuguese! Seriously, I have spoken to a couple guys in the last week that advise me to at least check out Brazil before I sign a long term lease in Medellin Colombia. HELL THEY MIGHT BE RIGHT.

First a confession: I am only a border line monger. I prefer non-pros. (I know. I know. Maybe I just have not learned my lesson yet) I would like to get some recommendations on possible cities that satisfy the following criteria:

1- Nice place to fall in love with. I am sort of looking for a second home. 3. 6 months a year.

2. As good of currency exchange / cost of living factor that we can expect from the US Dollar

3. Women that are hot and fairly in play. That means that I have at least some chance of developing honest, "normal" relationships. In Colombia, the women (and men) lack authenticity. It takes much time to overcome the gringo bulls eye on your back.

4. What is the normal league? Again, in the DR, the fattest and ugliest and oldest guy in the world can be with Miss Universe and nobody sees the difference. In Colombia, as long as a guy keeps himself together, there is no real dating ceiling. A 50 year old can date a smoking 22 year old and nobody laughs behind your back. How does this figure in Brazil? Are there different standards in different regions?

Sorry for the virgin questions Vets. I am just trying to get a fast readying. I will dig into the archive reports and start doing my reserach too.[/QUOTE]Hey amigo, I'll chime in with my 2 cents for ya.

I've spent lots of time all over Colombia and the DR also, and have had many latina girlfriends, especially Colombianas.

Now for the past several years I've been hanging out in Brazil, predominately in Sao Paulo.

I have to admit, at first I was frustrated with the portuguese.

I speak spanish very well, and I remember thinking that I would just get by in Brazil using my spanish.

Well, I was wrong hahaha.

Of course you could just get by with spanish, but if you really want to communicate and mix it up and be cool, you have to learn the language, which luckily is similar in many ways to spanish but different enough to have to work at it a bit.

As far as the Brasileiras go, I absolutely love 'them! Both worlds, the pro and non-pro girls.

In general, I find the Brasileiras more genuine and open than the Colombiana.

Don't get me wrong, I dig the Colombianas, I've just found them a bit more difficult and superficial than the Brasileira.

I can't speak for all of Brazil, but in SP you can find all kinds of bars, night clubs, etc to meet all kinds of women.

From clubs that cater to the young, to the 20 somethings, to the frugal, to those that cater to 40 years and over to fancy schmancy.

It didn't seem like that in Colombia to me.

Yes, Colombia has it's share of clubs, but they all seemed to cater to either one, the dirt poor, or two, the rich sect with not much in between.

I find a wide variety in SP with a wide variety of girls to meet.

Also, in SP, unlike Rio, it's not a huge tourist destination, so you're not getting the "gringo bull's eye" on your back as much.

Not as many gringo tourists flow thru, and the city is huge and spread out, so a gringo can still be a rare sight and not just one of many tourists.

I dig that a lot.

I have seen more guys, my friends, meet and establish genuine relationships in Brazil than in Colombia.

Of course guys have had luck in Colombia, but I've seen many guys fall for las 'interesadas' (more interested in money than love) in Colombia.

Now you should obviously be careful for those types in Brazil too, however,

I've acquired, like many others here, a great sense and radar for reading that over the years, from experiences, and I find the interesadas more the norm in Colombia and the exception in Brazil (at least with non-pros in SP).

As far as age goes; well I've found it no different than in Colombia.

If you're an older guy, but have a young attitude, you'll have no problem meeting younger women.

If you're in shape, have a young look about you, speak portuguese, even better.

I'm in my late 40's, my girlfriend is 23, we get along fantastically and our relationship is easily accpeted by her family, friends and my brasileiro friends as well.

No big deal.

Have fun in Brasil, study some portuguese, you'll enjoy!

Boa sorte!

[QUOTE=Koolkid]I have 2 days left and I would like to buy some good quality cachaca
and the wooden utensils and shaker they use to make caipirinha.

In most bars I've been in, it seems to be some sort of wooden set that
they use. Can anyone point me in the right direction as to where I can buy
this so I can take it back with me.

Thanks[/QUOTE]
I don't know that you really need that as you can make an excellent one without special equipment. I have pestle which works nicely for instance. But a place to look might be the specialist spirits shop on Rua Carioca. They will probably know where if they don't have exactly what you are looking for. Also, a few doors along, is a sort of quasi-mystic coffee-shop cum bookshop. The old man who owns it is very knowledgeable about anything like that (though the younger sons seem to be jerks). Sorry it's not a definite, but only a few yards from the Metro so maybe worth a look.

[QUOTE=Koolkid]I have 2 days left and I would like to buy some good quality cachaca
and the wooden utensils and shaker they use to make caipirinha.

In most bars I've been in, it seems to be some sort of wooden set that
they use. Can anyone point me in the right direction as to where I can buy
this so I can take it back with me.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Planeta Sonho, Av. N. Sra. De Copacabana 960, Copacabana map, tel 3208-3806/3208-3807.
Planeta Sonho, Av. N. Sra. De Copacabana 455, Copacabana map, tel 2549-5019/2255-5031.
Lidador, R. Vinicius de Moraes 120, Ipanema map, tel 2227-0593.
Lidador, R. Barato Ribeiro 505, Copacabana map, tel 2549-0091.

[QUOTE=Koolkid]I have 2 days left and I would like to buy some good quality cachaca
and the wooden utensils and shaker they use to make caipirinha.

In most bars I've been in, it seems to be some sort of wooden set that
they use. Can anyone point me in the right direction as to where I can buy
this so I can take it back with me.

Thanks[/QUOTE]
You can buy those at the feira noturna de artesãnatos on Ave Atlantica in front of the old Help location. You can get better quality at Tok & Stock in the building next to Sofitel Hotel. Better quality still, wait till you get home and buy it at any kitchen supply botique or from the internet.

I have a US california and international driver lic but I heard that international driver lic is no good in Brazil is this true, I like to rent a car at Sao paulo can I get a lic in Brazil.

Fast Eddie 48

Thanks for the replies regarding the cachaca. I will
pick up a cheap wooden pestil in Thailand when I get back, but will
go looking for the cachaca tomorrow.

Thanks Ricker. "Hey amigo, I'll chime in with my 2 cents for ya. " I found your remarks hit their target. I am both more aware of that which I dislike about Colombia (but I am still a fan), and more curious about that which I do not know about Brazil.

I am just know advancing to a good beginner level in Spanish, so how hard can Portuguese be? It's all Greek to me. I need GREAT motivation. So far I have only found "good".

I would like to ask a follow. Up. There is no getting around the dangerous atmosphere in Colombia. I am a guy that tends to follow the party, and that has taken me to places where gringos ought not go. Sort of a drag to have to calculate "your chances" several times a day. Also, you have to avoid predictable patterns, etc. I know Rio is tough, but I assume the other areas of Brazil are less dangerous than Colombia, correct?

And then there is the economics. We hear much about the BRIC trading block and how good Brazil is doing economically. What is the real score? Again, be virtue of a Colombian comparison. I have a friend living in El Problado and living for under 1100 US a month for the last year. Happily. I have a friend living in Manzialles for 3500 a month and lives life at the TOP level there. Basically, 2. 3 thousand produces a great life in Colombia. How does Brazil compare (I am becoming more and more interested in the Southern beach cities).

Thanks

[QUOTE=Koolkid]Thanks for the replies regarding the cachaca. I will
pick up a cheap wooden pestil in Thailand when I get back, but will
go looking for the cachaca tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
I recommend you to buy Ypióca (from Ceará). Quite cheap and comes in neat bottles. It's easily found in the super-mercados and tastes much better than the poisons they named Pitú and 51.
There are also more expensive options of aged cachaça. IMO the best ones comes from Minas Gerais. In Brazil you can find hundreds (or maybe thousands) of cachaças to choose from.

Fast Eddy - a US driver´s licence will do to rent a car. Only if you remain more than 6 months in Brasil you must et a Brasilian Driver´s licence.

Carlos

Hi Sperto -

discussing Cachaça is like discussing wine - you are right, there are hundreds of different Cachaças in Brasil and you get from "poison" to fist-rate aged Cachaça everything in the local shops.
May I recommend the Academia de Cachaça in Leblon/Rio for a Cachaça tasting venue? They have approx. 100 different types of Cachaça and they offer to try very very tiny sips of the different Cachaças. - The problem is that after approx. 10 - 15 different Cachaças you do not taste anymore any difference.

Carlos

[quote=carlos primeros]fast eddy - a us driver´s licence will do to rent a car. only if you remain more than 6 months in brasil you must et a brasilian driver´s licence.

carlos[/quote]
right and wrong. as long as one is here with tourist visa, one doesn't need brasilian driver's license. but do get international license because no national license is valid here alone. normally its not a problem but if you are being stopped by corrupted brasilian police, you might end up paying him or paying fine or in worst case the vehicle will be confirep001ed. one doesn't want any of there.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]I have a US california and international driver lic but I heard that international driver lic is no good in Brazil is this true, I like to rent a car at Sao paulo can I get a lic in Brazil. Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]
You need an Inter-American Drivers license. It is available at any American Automobile Association (AAA) for $15.00, (if you don't provide photo +$10.) It is required by Brasilian law and if they happen to stop you they may not fine or ticket you but they will make it very difficult for you. I was stopped near Angra dos Reis while on driving my girl friend's car during a short visit. They said I could not continue but they allowed us to switch drivers.

The primary purpose of the Inter-American license is the translation of your identification into portuguese. Yes, it is possible to get a permit in Brasil from the transportation authorities, Departamento Estadual de Trânsito (DETRAN), but it is a bureaucratic circle jerk.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]I have a US california and international driver lic but I heard that international driver lic is no good in Brazil is this true, I like to rent a car at Sao paulo can I get a lic in Brazil.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]
I think it should be good. having both the international and California DL.

Call a Brazilian car rental, very easy. maybe Avis or Hertz in the USA can tell you.

[QUOTE=Iam Zon]

I would like to ask a follow. Up. There is no getting around the dangerous atmosphere in Colombia. I am a guy that tends to follow the party, and that has taken me to places where gringos ought not go. Sort of a drag to have to calculate "your chances" several times a day. Also, you have to avoid predictable patterns, etc. I know Rio is tough, but I assume the other areas of Brazil are less dangerous than Colombia, correct?

And then there is the economics. We hear much about the BRIC trading block and how good Brazil is doing economically. What is the real score? Again, be virtue of a Colombian comparison. I have a friend living in El Problado and living for under 1100 US a month for the last year. Happily. I have a friend living in Manzialles for 3500 a month and lives life at the TOP level there. Basically, 2. 3 thousand produces a great life in Colombia. How does Brazil compare (I am becoming more and more interested in the Southern beach cities).

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Lula jacked up the minimum wage, through rises and f.cked up exchange rates.
Used to be 20-30 US$ 20 years ago. Now over 200 dollars.

So Brazil ain't cheap. But it depends totally on where you live, and how. And how much you spend for girls.

Fortaleza, Natal are much cheaper then Rio. So are Porto Alegre and southern towns. Small towns are even cheaper

I recommend: do NOT buy property, to avoid lawsuits, frauds, etc. Rent and move whenever you want.

I am trying to track down a small town with the following properties

70 000 inhabitants
7 wh.re houses with 30 girls each
2 bedroom house rents for R$ 300

unfortunately the guy did not tell me the exact location, but i will find it. Yes it is 200 miles away from maior cities.

How do your friends live? if you want to pay 3 girls a day, 90 per month, then the girl price is of essence ..........

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]
So Brazil ain't cheap. But it depends totally on where you live, and how. And how much you spend for girls.[/QUOTE]

Even in the north, it is very expensive compared with Asia.

[QUOTE=Bigcebu] it is very expensive compared with Asia.[/QUOTE]
+1. A fucking pousada in Sao Paulo Litoral Norte (Camburi) is nowadays more expensive than the Four Seasons Jakarta or the Grand Hyatt Bangkok. Go figure !

Brasil has priced itself out of the market. That is why you bump more and more into brasilian vacationers in Thailand or Bali now.

They inevitably make a stop in Paris by the way (brasilian tourists swarm here), thanks to the long lasted and firmly embedded "francophilie" (love of french culture) of -educated- brasilian people.

[QUOTE=Bigcebu] it is very expensive compared with Asia.[/QUOTE]
+1. A fucking pousada in Sao Paulo Litoral Norte (Camburi) is nowadays more expensive than the Four Seasons Jakarta or the Grand Hyatt Bangkok. Go figure !

Brasil has priced itself out of the market. That is why you bump more and more into brasilian vacationers in Thailand or Bali now.

They inevitably make a stop in Paris by the way (brasilian tourists literally swarm here), thanks to the looong lasted and firmly embedded francophilie (admiration and love of french culture) of -educated- brasilian people.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]I am trying to track down a small town with the following properties

70 000 inhabitants
7 wh.re houses with 30 girls each
2 bedroom house rents for R$ 300[/QUOTE]
Living like a lower-middle class local sucks ass IMO.

As usual to each its own.

Brazil and United States extend visa validity to 10 years

Brasilia, May 27, 2010 - The Brazilian Ministry of Foreign Relations and the U.S. Embassy in Brazil are pleased to announce the reciprocal concession of 10-year validity visas for the purposes of tourism and business. This change becomes effective this Friday, May 28, 2010. Visas issued for these purposes were previously valid for up to five years. In addition, Brazil and the United States will eliminate fees charged for visas issued for business travel, students and exchange visitors/visiting scholars.

It is good that it is more expensive in Rio and the big cities. I am not interested in that. About girl prices: Not that important to me either. Of course, you can't live. Or get laid on your good looks. But I have seen enough to understand that a month or so in the Southern cities (or San Pao for that matter) would be a good learning experience.

Life is a journey

[QUOTE=Prosal]+1. A fucking pousada in Sao Paulo Litoral Norte (Camburi) is nowadays more expensive than the Four Seasons Jakarta or the Grand Hyatt Bangkok. Go figure !

Brasil has priced itself out of the market. That is why you bump more and more into brasilian vacationers in Thailand or Bali now.

[/QUOTE]

SP is overpriced, but Rio is not overpriced for the kind of things that experienced mongers want. If someone insists on Copa hotels and termas like a tourist, then yes it's expensive too, but otherwise it's fine. SP was really expensive even 5 years ago when I first went there, but they are priced higher because they are a real international business hub with high cash influx, unlike Rio.

Keeping it in terms of ISG-related things, here is a comparison of JKT to Rio, based on my itineraries. Pricing is pretty competitive in Rio, outside the Zona Sul. For mongering purposes, I consider JKT superior for quality and service and freebie ops, but Rio wins easily for the overall experience when non-sexual activity options are taken into account.

Jakarta April 2010:
Mercure Rekso Hayam Wuruk - 59 USD/night
Girls at Hotel Travel and similar: 33 USD/hr

Rio June 2010:
Ibis Centro: 91 USD night
Girls at BA85 and similar: 32 USD/hr

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]
Ibis Centro: 91 USD night
Mercure Rekso Hayam Wuruk - 59 USD/night
[/QUOTE]
Ibis and Mercure are two very different things.

A room at Mercure Arpoador or Mercure Ipanema costs some 330 BRL (low season), which is 150€, so three times that you paid for the Mercure Rekso.

To compare two Ibis, you can get a room at Ibis Tamarin in Jakarta for 300 000 Rp (27€).

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]SP is overpriced[/QUOTE]
SP is MUCH cheaper than Rio for accommodation. A one-bedroom apartment at Mercure Itaim Bibi or Mercure Pinheiros cost around 150 BRS, and a room at Ibis Paulista 90 BRS.

[QUOTE=Prosal]Wrong. SP is MUCH cheaper than Rio for accommodation. A one-bedroom apartment at Mercure Itaim Bibi or Mercure Pinheiros cost around 150 BRS, and a room at Ibis 90 BRS.[/QUOTE]Ibis Paulista is R159 (other Ibis properties around town are R$130 to R$159) and the Mecure propeties are a bit higher. Av Paulista Ibis is a great location for business. Restaurants around there tend to be pricey though as it is the major business district.

Can you fact check before posting?

[QUOTE=Prosal]+1. A fucking pousada in Sao Paulo Litoral Norte (Camburi) is nowadays more expensive than the Four Seasons Jakarta or the Grand Hyatt Bangkok. Go figure !

Brasil has priced itself out of the market. That is why you bump more and more into brasilian vacationers in Thailand or Bali now.

They inevitably make a stop in Paris by the way (brasilian tourists literally swarm here), thanks to the looong lasted and firmly embedded francophilie (admiration and love of french culture) of -educated- brasilian people.[/QUOTE]

Just flew out with Air France and the plane was full. (mostly all brazilians). They were asking people if they minded flying another day as there were so many on standby.

Has anyone experienced or knows someone who's been scammed when they exchanged money at the airport upon arrival in rio????

[QUOTE=Ryjerrob]Has anyone experienced or knows someone who's been scammed when they exchanged money at the airport upon arrival in rio????[/QUOTE]The rate they pay is like robbery.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]SP is overpriced, but Rio is not overpriced for the kind of things that experienced mongers want. If someone insists on Copa hotels and termas like a tourist, then yes it's expensive too, but otherwise it's fine. SP was really expensive even 5 years ago when I first went there, but they are priced higher because they are a real international business hub with high cash influx, unlike Rio.[/QUOTE]In the land where the tourist trap is infamous, experiencing a new low at the moment. In Caldas Novas quoted a hotel rate of 700 reales for one night (ending at 10 a, m,) Includes meals for two and entrance to the aquatic park.

Room was so basic ($30-40 in Thailand), wouldn't have stayed there if price was 200 reales. Granted its Corpus Christo weekend, but another illustrative example. Off to Pantanal next and prepared for similar.

[QUOTE=Ryjerrob]Has anyone experienced or knows someone who's been scammed when they exchanged money at the airport upon arrival in rio????[/QUOTE]
I have had good experience with the "private traders" at the airport, always getting a more favorable rate than the cambio. You need to know the current exchange rate before you begin to negotiate with them. Don't exchange more than you will need on arrival at your destination. Also use caution to not reveal currency in public. The airport is full of big eyes.

[QUOTE=Hughdad] Can you fact check before posting?[/QUOTE]
IMO you must be yankee to pay to the rack rate in a hotel. Obviously as your fellow countrymen, you are more skilled for quibbling and complaining than for hoodwinking, wheedling and lowering the prices. I don't have to "check" anything. That's the rates I pay in SP (yet that are quite close of the rack rates, so there's admittedly few merit in doing so).

Anyway hope you demonstrate more craftiness and awareness in latin culture to get girls in Brasil. But you remain a boring quibbler in your DNA, don't you ?

BTW just grimly negotiated with Korston Hotel in Moscow and got a very good rate (long stay) at 4000 rub taxes and bkft included. From a rack rate of 8000 rub + taxes. :p

[QUOTE=Koolkid]Just flew out with Air France and the plane was full. (mostly all brazilians). They were asking people if they minded flying another day as there were so many on standby.[/QUOTE]I'm not surprised. Brasilian tourists literally pullulate in Paris.

One may ask whether it's not cheaper for them to go to Europe than vacationing in their own country (which I believe).

[QUOTE=Prosal]IMO you must be yankee to pay to the rack rate in a hotel. Obviously as your fellow countrymen, you are more skilled for quibbling and complaining than for hoodwinking, wheedling and lowering the prices. I don't have to "check" anything. That's the rates I pay in SP (yet that are quite close of the rack rates, so there's admittedly few merit in doing so).

Anyway hope you show more craftiness and awareness in latin culture to get girls in Brasil. But you remain a boring quibbler in your DNA, don't you ?

BTW just grimly negotiated with Korston Hotel in Moscow and got a very good rate (long stay) at 4000 rub taxes and bkft included. From a rack rate of 8000 rub + taxes. :p[/QUOTE]So the "rack rates" at the hotels in both SP and Rio are the exact same. I was giving you the rates from the website. What's the matter, your "hoodwinking" better in SP than Rio? I know someone in management at Accor and I am sure they will tell me you are full of shit.

And while you have to go around flashing shining accessories, expensive clothes and cash to try to get some pussy (you are that douche right?), I have a beautiful young mulata lady that takes care of all my needs (and she brings around her friends for me too). She is making me "aware" of all I need to know about Latin culture.

Good luck in world travels big spender, I am loving my great "boring" life here. And, why yes, I think I did see a little "quibbler in the DNA" I left on my lady's belly early this morning. Ride 'em Yankee!

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]I have had good experience with the "private traders" at the airport, always getting a more favorable rate than the cambio. You need to know the current exchange rate before you begin to negotiate with them. Don't exchange more than you will need on arrival at your destination. Also use caution to not reveal currency in public. The airport is full of big eyes.[/QUOTE]

Was that 8 or more years ago? At that time the black market rate was much higher then all other exchange rates.

Nowadays, a good cambio has the tourist exchange rate. The private guys should have an even worse rate. Now the best cambios downtown or in Copacabana give a little better rate

Often the bank gives the best rate. Depends.

[QUOTE=Hughdad]So the "rack rates" at the hotels in both SP and Rio are the exact same. I was giving you the rates from the website. I know someone in management at Accor and I am sure they will tell me you are full of shit.[/QUOTE]
Rack rates from the Accor website (for a stay from 06-06-10) :

- Mercure Ipanema: 325 RS/day ; Mercure Arpoador: 335 RS/day ; Mercure Leblon: 330 RS/day (which is low season rates BTW).

- Mercure Vila Olimpia: 150 RS/day ; Mercure Pinheiros: 160 RS/day ; Mercure Moema: 155 RS/day (there is no low or high season in SP)

You talk out of your ass, as usual.

[QUOTE=Hughdad] And while you have to go around flashing shining accessories, expensive clothes and cash to try to get some pussy (you are that douche right?)[/QUOTE]
WTF? .. what this spiteful, malevolent and embittered BS has to do with accommodation rates in Brasil ?

FYI, in the civilized world (out of US), people dress up. By choice, and by taste. That is also very true for the cosmopolitan bowels of any big brasilian city BTW.

The fact that you dress like a slob and that your favelada GFs accepts it (which says a lot) means nothing. Eveywhere in the world, from Antinanarivo to Jakarta, through Curitiba and Vladivostok, well-groomed girls require the company of correspondingly well-groomed guys. No "emerging country" girl with a bit of taste and of self-respect wants to be seen making out or holding hands with a shittily-dressed foreigner. But this doesn't concern your target group obviously, so I don't know why I even bother to explain you those things.

[QUOTE=Hughdad] And while you have to go around flashing shining accessories, expensive clothes and cash to try to get some pussy (you are that douche right?)[/QUOTE]In the civilized world (non-US), people dress well by choice and by taste, not by necessity.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]Was that 8 or more years ago? ...the best cambios downtown or in Copacabana give a little better rate. Often the bank gives the best rate. Depends.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps I wasn't clear. The context of Ryjerrob’s question was “at the airport upon arrival in rio.” I have done it several times over the years and most recently within the past year. I have had good experience with the "private traders" at the airport, always getting a more favorable rate than the cambio at the airport.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]Perhaps I wasn't clear. The context of Ryjerrob’s question was “at the airport upon arrival in rio.” I have done it several times over the years and most recently within the past year. I have had good experience with the "private traders" at the airport, always getting a more favorable rate than the cambio at the airport.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, don't know the Portuguese word for them, but in a book I read some time ago they were called money changers. You will see them milling around the Rio airport in gray or tan jumpsuits. The day before you arrive check the current exchange rate at [url]http://www.oanda.com/currency/converter/[/url]
Although [url]http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi?Amount=1&From=USD&To=BRL&image.x=44&image.y=10[/url]
is often cited here, Oanda actually will give you a rate closer to what is offered at the cambios. If you don’t speak Portuguese, write down the rate you hope to get on a piece of paper. Have the money you want to exchange ready and when you are approached show the guy the paper. He will pull you over to the side and count out the money in front of you all the while trying not to be too obvious.

For laughs, you can stop at the bank counter after you exit customs. The AMEX exchange (located in the terminal) is not too bad if you do not feel comfortable exchanging with the jumpsuit guys. I just exchanged money with them on my recent trip and got a rate comparable to the Copa cambios. I do not recommend exchanging a lot of money, just enough to tide you over until you can make a more secure cambio or ATM run.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]..The day before you arrive check the current exchange rate at [url]http://www.oanda.com/currency/converter/[/url]
Although [url]http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi?Amount=1&From=USD&To=BRL&image.x=44&image.y=10[/url]
is often cited here, Oanda actually will give you a rate closer to what is offered at the cambios. If you don’t speak Portuguese, write down the rate you hope to get on a piece of paper. Have the money you want to exchange ready and when you are approached show the guy the paper. He will pull you over to the side and count out the money in front of you all the while trying not to be too obvious.
[/QUOTE]

You can get a better negotiating position for the airport if you use the Dólar Paralelo rate, previously called the "mercado negro." The rate is quoted daily at: [url]http://economia.uol.com.br/cotacoes/cambio/dolar-paralelo-estados-unidos-principal.jhtm[/url] Even the money changers use a market index.

I would not recommend exchanging large sums of money at the airport. Most of these guys are honest but there is also the risk of someone passing counterfeit notas.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]You can get a better negotiating position for the airport if you use the Dólar Paralelo rate, previously called the "mercado negro." The rate is quoted daily at: [url]http://economia.uol.com.br/cotacoes/cambio/dolar-paralelo-estados-unidos-principal.jhtm[/url] Even the money changers use a market index.

I would not recommend exchanging large sums of money at the airport. Most of these guys are honest but there is also the risk of someone passing counterfeit notas.[/QUOTE]Wherever you cambio (Rio Branco best for me) do it before leaving Rio. At GYN Airport in Goiania rate was 1.60. ATMs accepting American cards still few and far between in interior.

Hey guys,

I'm not a 100% on the etiquette on the site yet so since this is the general forum I'll just have to beg your indulgence. I just wanted to know if there any/many Brazilian pornstars offering their services in the Rio area?

Do you guys ever try them? Is there a particular place where I might find some?

Such as Natasha here.

Lovebrazil,

I have the Woman of the World 2 dvd.

mr [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url], also known as kaka, is questioning the manhood of 75 % of his countrymen.

come this friday, cheer with me for the netherlands against this douche.

[quote=tiradentes]mr [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url], also known as kaka, is questioning the manhood of 75 % of his countrymen.

come this friday, cheer with me for the netherlands against this douche.[/quote]
buying them is what you do when you get married. looks like he's all for renting.

[QUOTE=Auriflama]Lovebrazil,

I have the Woman of the World 2 dvd.[/QUOTE]Thank Auriflama I have it now.

[QUOTE=Digitaljedi]Hey guys,

I'm not a 100% on the etiquette on the site yet so since this is the general forum I'll just have to beg your indulgence. I just wanted to know if there any/many Brazilian pornstars offering their services in the Rio area?

Do you guys ever try them? Is there a particular place where I might find some?

Such as Natasha here.[/QUOTE]Sui Generis has posted some very good info on this topic for SP. You may can search for his posts in the SP thread. Keep in mind, some girls may fly into Rio as long as you pay. I would also suggest you you send Sui Generis a PM to get more info.

ryjer

Can I rent a car in Brazil and driving it with my E.E. Greek international licence?

While discussing mongering destinations between sessions at FKK Oase in Germany, I was informed by a self-proclaimed frequent monger that many girls in Brazil use steroids to increase the size of their ass so as to be more attractive to ass loving men.

He said this also has the added effect of an enlarged clitoris and increased sex drive.

I listened politely and took it with a grain of salt, as since I have never visited Brazil, who am I to suggest he was incorrect.

So, can you experienced Brazil mongers please comment on this?

Thanks!!

[QUOTE=Digitaljedi]Hey guys,

I'm not a 100% on the etiquette on the site yet so since this is the general forum I'll just have to beg your indulgence. I just wanted to know if there any/many Brazilian pornstars offering their services in the Rio area?

Do you guys ever try them? Is there a particular place where I might find some?

Such as Natasha here.[/QUOTE]

Just go to the Termas and you will meet a few stunners for a true PSE!

I promise.

[QUOTE=Mahaba]While discussing mongering destinations between sessions at FKK Oase in Germany, I was informed by a self-proclaimed frequent monger that many girls in Brazil use steroids to increase the size of their ass so as to be more attractive to ass loving men.

He said this also has the added effect of an enlarged clitoris and increased sex drive.

I listened politely and took it with a grain of salt, as since I have never visited Brazil, who am I to suggest he was incorrect.

So, can you experienced Brazil mongers please comment on this?

Thanks!![/QUOTE]
He was right on all counts.

[QUOTE=Mahaba]While discussing mongering destinations between sessions at FKK Oase in Germany, I was informed by a self-proclaimed frequent monger that many girls in Brazil use steroids to increase the size of their ass so as to be more attractive to ass loving men.

He said this also has the added effect of an enlarged clitoris and increased sex drive.

I listened politely and took it with a grain of salt, as since I have never visited Brazil, who am I to suggest he was incorrect.

So, can you experienced Brazil mongers please comment on this?

Thanks!![/QUOTE]Unfortunately, this is true. The call it "bomba". I would estimate that 30% of the girls have done it at least once. Most do not really understand what they are doing and think of it as a beauty treatment not understanding the permanent masculinization that can occur. They think that it will make their ass bigger and help them lose body fat. That may be true but there are many undesirable (to me) side effects such as enlarged clitoris, lowering of the voice, increase in facial hair, hardening of body and face.

[QUOTE=Edward M]Unfortunately, this is true. The call it "bomba". I would estimate that 30% of the girls have done it at least once. Most do not really understand what they are doing and think of it as a beauty treatment not understanding the permanent masculinization that can occur. They think that it will make their ass bigger and help them lose body fat. That may be true but there are many undesirable (to me) side effects such as enlarged clitoris, lowering of the voice, increase in facial hair, hardening of body and face.[/QUOTE]I guess you have to catch them we they 1st get on the roids to see the monster ass at its finest but then it all goes down hill a year or 2 later with all the side effects.

Mongers-
To see a clear example of a Brasilian girl who has done steroids, look no further than pornstar Monica Santhiago. She has a ridiculously enlarged clitoris and the masculinization of the jaw and face that comes with female steroid use.
Sorte,
Rock Harders

[QUOTE=Digitaljedi]Hey guys,

I'm not a 100% on the etiquette on the site yet so since this is the general forum I'll just have to beg your indulgence. I just wanted to know if there any/many Brazilian pornstars offering their services in the Rio area?

Do you guys ever try them? Is there a particular place where I might find some?

Such as Natasha here.[/QUOTE]


I know you are not going to believe me, but Natasha works in Villa Mimosa! Has worked there for a few years now! Two houses from the end of the strip. One word of advise, she normaly will not go with a gringo when she is working in VM! She knows she can make 3-400R off a gringo and doesnt like the idea of fucking them for only 50R. (she is so popular, that the bar allows her to charge 50R instead of the standard 25R)

[QUOTE=Bravo]I know you are not going to believe me, but Natasha works in Villa Mimosa! Has worked there for a few years now! Two houses from the end of the strip. One word of advise, she normaly will not go with a gringo when she is working in VM! She knows she can make 3-400R off a gringo and doesnt like the idea of fucking them for only 50R. (she is so popular, that the bar allows her to charge 50R instead of the standard 25R)[/QUOTE]Probably a good deal for Monica as it means she's turning over about 200 R$ a hour.

Not a bad wage in a country where the monthly minimum is 500.

[QUOTE=John Cricket]Probably a good deal for Monica as it means she's turning over about 200 R$ a hour.

Not a bad wage in a country where the monthly minimum is 500.[/QUOTE]Not bad in a country where she can make in a day what a university pedagogue makes in a month.

I need to go to Brazil from the U.S. end of next week. I had read on the internet several places where it was 5 business days to get a visa to Brazil for U.S. citizens.
Now I look at the Embassy of Brazil website and they say 10 business days!!!
If that is the case I will most likely have to cancel my trip.
Does anyone know if this is the case where it actually does take 10 business days, or is this an outside limit? Is it possible to get a visa sooner?
Also the visa requires an itinerary. Does that mean everyone purchases their tickets before getting the visa?
What are the experiences of actual travellers recently?
Thanks!
CJW

Crazy Jim:

Hopefully you live near one of these large US cities:

[url]http://www.brazilsf.org/other_consulates_eng.htm[/url]

If so, go in person, fill application, plus one Passport size Photo, and pay $140. I got mine in 3 days at the Chicago consulate. Their website states 4 days. (I guess each consulate is different, depending on how busy they are.) If you do have to send it by mail, use the US Postal Service Express Mail, as they do not accept UPS, DHL, nor Fedex.

[url]http://www.brazilsf.org/visa_tourist_eng.htm[/url]

As to the itinerary, it's required for the first trip/visa application. They want a copy of your flight schedule, where you will be staying and purpose of trip. Don't you have that already? You ARE planning on leaving next week, no?

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]I need to go to Brazil from the USA end of next week. I had read on the internet several places where it was 5 business days to get a visa to Brazil for USA citizens.

Now I look at the Embassy of Brazil website and they say 10 business days!

If that is the case I will most likely have to cancel my trip.

Does anyone know if this is the case where it actually does take 10 business days, or is this an outside limit? Is it possible to get a visa sooner?

Also the visa requires an itinerary. Does that mean everyone purchases their tickets before getting the visa?

What are the experiences of actual travellers recently?

Thanks!

CJW[/QUOTE]If you live in flyover nowhere land, let a visa service do it for you: fedex overnight your passport, it's only a couple days.

[QUOTE=Zingadoon]Not bad in a country where she can make in a day what a university pedagogue makes in a month.[/QUOTE]Indeed. But only if she manages to work 36 hours in a day, non-stop. :D

Still, when you figure that her other employment options would probably top out at 2000 reais a month, maybe 3000 with bennies. It's easy to see why she works where she works.

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]I need to go to Brazil from the U.S. end of next week. I had read on the internet several places where it was 5 business days to get a visa to Brazil for U.S. citizens.
Now I look at the Embassy of Brazil website and they say 10 business days!!!
If that is the case I will most likely have to cancel my trip.
Does anyone know if this is the case where it actually does take 10 business days, or is this an outside limit? Is it possible to get a visa sooner?
Also the visa requires an itinerary. Does that mean everyone purchases their tickets before getting the visa?
What are the experiences of actual travellers recently?
Thanks!
CJW[/QUOTE]I have always gotten my visa the next day after dropping off my passport.

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]I need to go to Brazil from the U.S. end of next week. I had read on the internet several places where it was 5 business days to get a visa to Brazil for U.S. citizens... Is it possible to get a visa sooner?

CJW[/QUOTE]
Try a Passport Expediting Service. There are many advertised on the Internet. For a fee of $60 to $100 they can get your passport within 2 business days. They all have working relationships with the Consulates and will walk your application through the process faster than you can do it.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]Try a Passport Expediting Service. There are many advertised on the Internet. For a fee of $60 to $100 they can get your passport within 2 business days. They all have working relationships with the Consulates and will walk your application through the process faster than you can do it.[/QUOTE]

I have used ZVS [url]WWW.ZVS.com[/url] worked very well for me.

I also read recently that starting this past June both turist and business VISA are granted for 10 years now not 5.

If someone can please verify this when they get their next VISA please.

Thanks all. I live in the Wash DC jurisdiction, so I can use an expediting service there, but according to consular website, you cannot use expediting outside your jurisdiction. Wash DC says 10 day wait for visa, I'm planning to leave next Friday, so that won't work.
I have a tentative itinerary, but i'm hesitant to buy the ticket, since, if the visa is not processed in time, I will not be able to use the ticket.
Can I just give my itinerary? It seems to say they want a confirmed (purchase) ticket.
CJW

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]I have used ZVS [url]WWW.ZVS.com[/url] worked very well for me.

I also read recently that starting this past June both turist and business VISA are granted for 10 years now not 5.

If someone can please verify this when they get their next VISA please.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, I got my visa ( 5yrs ) the week before this took effect. You win some and you lose some.

I just called ZVS, they said 15 days for Wash DC consulate, but 5 days for NYC, just they can't help me in NYC. So I guess I have to drive up to NYC.
I'm still leery about buying the ticket and not getting a visa... but I guess the confirmed ticket is unavoidable?
[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]Thanks all. I live in the Wash DC jurisdiction, so I can use an expediting service there, but according to consular website, you cannot use expediting outside your jurisdiction. Wash DC says 10 day wait for visa, I'm planning to leave next Friday, so that won't work.
I have a tentative itinerary, but i'm hesitant to buy the ticket, since, if the visa is not processed in time, I will not be able to use the ticket.
Can I just give my itinerary? It seems to say they want a confirmed (purchase) ticket.
CJW[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]I just called ZVS, they said 15 days for Wash DC consulate, but 5 days for NYC, just they can't help me in NYC. So I guess I have to drive up to NYC.
I'm still leery about buying the ticket and not getting a visa... but I guess the confirmed ticket is unavoidable?[/QUOTE]
I got my visa in Miami, and I dropped off the documentation on a Wed. and it was ready for pick up 2 days later, on friday.

[QUOTE=Mangera]I got my visa in Miami, and I dropped off the documentation on a Wed. and it was ready for pick up 2 days later, on friday.[/QUOTE]
Great not only nice winter weather and beaches but you also get better service at your local Brazil consulate. DC just sucks. 15 days! What are they doing, mailing it back to Brazil??? Well hopefully NYC will process in time.

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]Thanks all. I live in the Wash DC jurisdiction, so I can use an expediting service there, but according to consular website, you cannot use expediting outside your jurisdiction. Wash DC says 10 day wait for visa, I'm planning to leave next Friday, so that won't work.
I have a tentative itinerary, but i'm hesitant to buy the ticket, since, if the visa is not processed in time, I will not be able to use the ticket.
Can I just give my itinerary? It seems to say they want a confirmed (purchase) ticket.
CJW[/QUOTE]
There are several Expediters in Washington DC area. Be sure to specify your area in a google search. I'm sure there are people who will say they didn't need a ticket. However, I have seen them turn people away at the Consulate when they did not have a copy of a ticket or an E-ticket. Your best bet is to talk to the expediter. They will not proceed unless you have all your paperwork in order. You can purchase a refundable ticket. If you don't make the trip you exchange it for another date or get your money back. You don't have time to shop for cheap tickets if you want to make this schedule.

NOTE: If you live in the jurisdiction of the Washington Consulate, you can not get your visa in New York. Each Consulate has a jurisdictional area of states that they service and they are not reciprocal.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]There are several Expediters in Washington DC area. Be sure to specify your area in a google search. I'm sure there are people who will say they didn't need a ticket. However, I have seen them turn people away at the Consulate when they did not have a copy of a ticket or an E-ticket. Your best bet is to talk to the expediter. They will not proceed unless you have all your paperwork in order. You can purchase a refundable ticket. If you don't make the trip you exchange it for another date or get your money back. You don't have time to shop for cheap tickets if you want to make this schedule.

NOTE: If you live in the jurisdiction of the Washington Consulate, you can not get your visa in New York. Each Consulate has a jurisdictional area of states that they service and they are not reciprocal.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. I agree on the ticket: I think I probably need to purchase the ticket first.
I called Travisa, they also said that 10 business days is best they can do.
I did look at the NYC consulate homepage, it seems that they will take in person applications from other jurisdictions, but you cannot use an expediter with them unless you are in their jurisdiction.
Shit refundable tickets pain in the ass. This really sucks. It seems getting a Brazil visa is almost as much a pain in the ass getting a U.S. visa.

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]Great not only nice winter weather and beaches but you also get better service at your local Brazil consulate. DC just sucks. 15 days! What are they doing, mailing it back to Brazil??? Well hopefully NYC will process in time.[/QUOTE]VisaHQ.com. they're in DC. it took these guys just a few days to get me a visa for Uzbekistan last week. what a timesaver and cost effective even if I had to run up to the eastside manhattan and back a couple times it would still be cost effective. wish I had time and would have had them get belarus and everything I need for the next couple months.

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]Thanks. I agree on the ticket: I think I probably need to purchase the ticket first.
I called Travisa, they also said that 10 business days is best they can do.
I did look at the NYC consulate homepage, it seems that they will take in person applications from other jurisdictions, but you cannot use an expediter with them unless you are in their jurisdiction.
Shit refundable tickets pain in the ass. This really sucks. It seems getting a Brazil visa is almost as much a pain in the ass getting a U.S. visa.[/QUOTE]
i talked to airline (us airways), airfare is $800+, they say i just pay $250 penalty and difference in airfare and have 1 year to use my ticket if i cancel it. the refundable ticket costs $1500+ twice as much, so i think the non-refundable ticket with penalty is a better deal.
I just got off the phone, the consulate in NYC said I can go there if I go in person, they said 3 working days, so looks like a go. I'm actually going to see a freebie but who knows maybe it won't work out and I'll wind up in the termas with Puta Playa's sloppy seconds. I'll just have them wash with plenty of soap and water and only goe bareback after I have anesthesized myself with plenty of alcohol.
I'm also a day or two short of 6 months left in my visa, the consulate said nor problem.

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]i talked to airline (us airways), airfare is $800+, they say i just pay $250 penalty and difference in airfare and have 1 year to use my ticket if i cancel it.
I'm also a day or two short of 6 months left in my visa, the consulate said nor problem.[/QUOTE]

Good for you. I'm glad to see you found a solution. Go for it.

I went to the NYC consulate, I applied for a business visa, they looked at my itinerary, handed it back, took my application and business letter, said thank you see you wednesday (so today (friday), mon, tue, wed 4 working days).
The DC consulate would have been a 2-hour drive, NYC was a 5-hour drive, so cost me an extra 3 hours (plus 3 hours coming back), oh well, at least i know i will get it in time for my flight.

Crazy Jim,
Did you apply for a business visa or a tourist visa? That's one hell of a difference in visas...Please advise how easy/difficult it was once you obtained your business visa to Brasil.

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]I'm actually going to see a freebie but who knows maybe it won't work out and I'll wind up in the termas with Puta Playa's sloppy seconds. I'll just have them wash with plenty of soap and water and only goe bareback after I have anesthesized myself with plenty of alcohol.
I'm also a day or two short of 6 months left in my visa, the consulate said nor problem.[/QUOTE]

I hope you're not suggesting that you'd spend the whole time with the freebie and not go to termas or places like that. Guys here would be gnashing their teeth and clawing their eyes at the thought of monogamy in Brasil! Don't want anyone to get hurt...

I'm with these other guys that use an expediting service. They quote you some high number of days to cover their asses, but end up sending your stuff to you in a few days. It's why we pay them. ;) Next time, save yourself the hassle and use an expeditor. It must have been stressful. I do a biz visa, and it's no problem at all if you use the expeditor. But when I went in person for my first visa, they asked me all kinds of questions about what I was going to be up to.

Maybe some day the Brasilians will get with the program and do visas on arrival. It's not like they have some fundamentalists threatening them and need days to screen everybody before issuance. Just people visiting for bucks and fucks...

I always wondered if ho chasing is business (since I'm paying) or pleasure (since they are enjoying it).
Business visa app was no problem. I brought my bank statements (for my personal account and business account) and my business registration, but they never asked to look at them.
You do need a business letter from your employer or from your counterpart in Brazil. There are forms you can download from the expediter. So I downloaded their form, made some slight changes, put it on my company letterhead, signed it (I am the owner of the company). No problem.
The lady just took my application, glanced at my itinerary, handed it back, said come back Wednesday.
I am ashamed to admit it, but I may not be doing any P4P.
However my love for the moment is very excited she has agreed to indulge a few of my interests and it will be all bareback, nothing like all-you-can-eat bareback cumming in fresh young pussy sex FOR FREEEEEEEEE (well, after airfare and hotel).
[QUOTE=Puta Playa]I hope you're not suggesting that you'd spend the whole time with the freebie and not go to termas or places like that. Guys here would be gnashing their teeth and clawing their eyes at the thought of monogamy in Brasil! Don't want anyone to get hurt...

I'm with these other guys that use an expediting service. They quote you some high number of days to cover their asses, but end up sending your stuff to you in a few days. It's why we pay them. ;) Next time, save yourself the hassle and use an expeditor. It must have been stressful. I do a biz visa, and it's no problem at all if you use the expeditor. But when I went in person for my first visa, they asked me all kinds of questions about what I was going to be up to.

Maybe some day the Brasilians will get with the program and do visas on arrival. It's not like they have some fundamentalists threatening them and need days to screen everybody before issuance. Just people visiting for bucks and fucks...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]I always wondered if ho chasing is business (since I'm paying) or pleasure (since they are enjoying it).

Business visa app was no problem. I brought my bank statements (for my personal account and business account) and my business registration, but they never asked to look at them.

You do need a business letter from your employer or from your counterpart in Brazil. There are forms you can download from the expediter. So I downloaded their form, made some slight changes, put it on my company letterhead, signed it (I am the owner of the company). No problem.

The lady just took my application, glanced at my itinerary, handed it back, said come back Wednesday.

I am ashamed to admit it, but I may not be doing any P4P.

However my love for the moment is very excited she has agreed to indulge a few of my interests and it will be all bareback, nothing like all-you-can-eat bareback cumming in fresh young pussy sex FOR FREEEEEEEEE (well, after airfare and hotel).[/QUOTE]Crazy jim,

It is not buisness unless you can put it in the expenses report, may be you can have dinner in a club wine with lady and get away with that.

Brazil buisness visa is the way to go get a 2 yr multi entries visa is not that much more than a toruist visa, I just type a letter myself on a company letter head have my boss sign it and take it to the brazilan consulate in SF take only a week.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Sprite13]Crazy Jim,
Did you apply for a business visa or a tourist visa? That's one hell of a difference in visas...Please advise how easy/difficult it was once you obtained your business visa to Brasil.[/QUOTE]
I got a 10-year, multiiple-entry business visa, I can stay up to 180 days a year, etc. There is no additional feel for the business visa for U.S. citizens, and the consulate recommended it, they said a business visa is also good for tourist stuff, but tourist visa is only for tourist stuff.

I wanted to get some baby oil, so I went into a larger pharmacy... R$14+ for a little thing of Johnson & Johnson 200ml I think, that is like US$9 for a thing of baby oil that must cost US$2/3 in the U.S..

There was nothing smaller. I looked at another pharmacy and also at the supermarket... the best I could get was R$9+ for a smaller bottle of some local brand. But it was still a lot I thought.

Well, I am going to give up my current business and move into the baby oil business because there are some serious profits to be had here.

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]I wanted to get some baby oil, so I went into a larger pharmacy... R$14+ for a little thing of Johnson & Johnson 200ml I think, that is like US$9 for a thing of baby oil that must cost US$2/3 in the U.S..

There was nothing smaller. I looked at another pharmacy and also at the supermarket... the best I could get was R$9+ for a smaller bottle of some local brand. But it was still a lot I thought.

Well, I am going to give up my current business and move into the baby oil business because there are some serious profits to be had here.[/QUOTE]

Yup. In comparison to what we pay CONUS, lotions/oils are expensive in Rio. I always leave that stuff behind with my gals, and they do appreciate it!

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]I wanted to get some baby oil, so I went into a larger pharmacy... R$14+ for a little thing of Johnson & Johnson 200ml I think, that is like US$9 for a thing of baby oil that must cost US$2/3 in the U.S..

There was nothing smaller. I looked at another pharmacy and also at the supermarket... the best I could get was R$9+ for a smaller bottle of some local brand. But it was still a lot I thought.

Well, I am going to give up my current business and move into the baby oil business because there are some serious profits to be had here.[/QUOTE]It's because we export all the oil squeezed out of our babies to the United States and Europe.

[QUOTE=John Cricket]It's because we export all the oil squeezed out of our babies to the United States and Europe.[/QUOTE]
Oh I see the Brazilians pay premium for oil squeezed from blond, blue-eyed babies. They also had baby powder there, I guess that is what they do with the babies after they squeeze all the oil out of them.

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]Oh I see the Brazilians pay premium for oil squeezed from blond, blue-eyed babies. They also had baby powder there, I guess that is what they do with the babies after they squeeze all the oil out of them.[/QUOTE]Well, kind of. The dry babies are first rendered down and them dessicated and blended.

Hi guys.

I'm planning a 1st time trip to Brazil next November. Guess theres many 'experts' here so I'm askin for some useful tips. & which are the hottest places for girls, fun, mongering etc. I been to Thailand 6 times, now so I'm looking for sumting different.

Cheers all

Interesting read on brazil sex tourism.

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-10764371[/url]

I already requested my take on this article deleted, I see you saw what I saw already. My apologies.
[QUOTE=Evil Kayak]Interesting read on brazil sex tourism.

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-10764371[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bugzy 69]Hi guys.

I'm planning a 1st time trip to Brazil next November. Guess theres many 'experts' here so I'm askin for some useful tips. & which are the hottest places for girls, fun, mongering etc. I been to Thailand 6 times, now so I'm looking for sumting different.

Cheers all[/QUOTE]

Here you go mate. Start reading.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2191&page=9&pp=15[/url]

I'Ve been planning my trip to Brazil for quite some time and I believe that I would finally make it in October. I would first like to thank everyone that posted information ranging from prices, best practices, places to stay, etc. Your information is priceless.

As most of us have seen many incredible women from Brazil in a lot of porn videos. It would make my trip if I was able to meet Luana, Mayara Rodriquez, Virginia, Darlene, Nanda, Monique, and many others that we all have on sites like [url]www.Tnaflix.com[/url] or [url]http://tour. Bigbuttbrazilianmoms.com[/url].

My question to everyone is am I just fooling myself that I would actually meet these women. I heard that Luana now lives in the USA as well as Mayara Rodriguez.

Are they all now living in the USA? If I can meet them, does anyone have their info?

If I can't meet any of them, I know my trip will still be incredible. But, it would be nice to fulfill a dream or two.

You can PM me or just write in the forum.

Thanks

Gents:

Does anyone have any recommended visa services in San Francisco, CA? My state falls within their jurisdiction. Seems like every 5 years there's a rollover in agencies and/or contacts.

Any recommendations are appreciated in advance.

Sincerely,

DaveWave

Hey all,

Many of the reports I have read here are stretching back a couple years. Thanks to Bubba Boy for his awesome guide. I assume things change year after year - I was wondering how Brazil fares with regard to prices for mongering?

I enjoyed Thailand for both the prices and the quality of girls (+ ease of access) - how does Brazil compare in these departments? (mainly price)

thanks!

Jason

[url]http://www.voegol.com.br/Paginas/Promocao_tarifa.aspx[/url]

Brazilian finances are strong. :)

[QUOTE=Jason Mak]Hey all,
Many of the reports I have read here are stretching back a couple years. Thanks to Bubba Boy for his awesome guide. I assume things change year after year - I was wondering how Brazil fares with regard to prices for mongering?
I enjoyed Thailand for both the prices and the quality of girls (+ ease of access) - how does Brazil compare in these departments? (mainly price)
thanks! Jason[/QUOTE]
Hi Jason. Tried to PM you as answers might be too long for quick replies on here. But your PMs are switched off. Brasil economy is strong just now. Bubba's guide won't be that far out on prices but check your conversion rates. Pussy from 10Reals to maybe 400Reals. But RJ is not the homogeneous user-friendly tourist destination like BKK. You probably have to accelerate into the fast lane to enjoy it and it costs more the less you know it.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Hi Jason. Tried to PM you as answers might be too long for quick replies on here. But your PMs are switched off. Brasil economy is strong just now. Bubba's guide won't be that far out on prices but check your conversion rates. Pussy from 10Reals to maybe 400Reals. But RJ is not the homogeneous user-friendly tourist destination like BKK. You probably have to accelerate into the fast lane to enjoy it and it costs more the less you know it.[/QUOTE]

I am currentl doing an upgrade on my guide, mainly because the prices are raisen so much. Probably need to tack on 30% on the prices that I put in my last update!

Just a quick question for those of you who live in Brazil or who have travelled there many times. Are Mastercard credit cards widely accepted in Brazil? My bank uses VISA but is switching to Mastercard, I've used VISA in Brazil without any problems. Since I have never looked for the MC logo when travelling, I can't remember if it is as widely accepted in South America. I am assuming the answer is yes .. but I would be grateful for any comments. Obrigado!

Generally wherever you can use visa you can use mastercard too: shops, restaurants, atm's, etc.

[QUOTE=Torgoch]Just a quick question for those of you who live in Brazil or who have travelled there many times. Are Mastercard credit cards widely accepted in Brazil? My bank uses VISA but is switching to Mastercard, I've used VISA in Brazil without any problems. Since I have never looked for the MC logo when travelling, I can't remember if it is as widely accepted in South America. I am assuming the answer is yes .. but I would be grateful for any comments. Obrigado![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]I am currentl doing an upgrade on my guide, mainly because the prices are raisen so much. Probably need to tack on 30% on the prices that I put in my last update![/QUOTE]
Looking at comments on high end places, I think you're right! I generally have a 'past caring' attitude on the occasions I go to 4x4 - even if I don't tip or pay the front desk 'mistakes.' I've felt this year sometimes that the low end (my usual stomping ground) is struggling to get prices up in line with everywhere else, but 10R shots are still obtainable in Centro; and only a few VM bars have tried to push their prices. But I think you're right on general living standards too. Supermarkets were fractionally more, my gym haggled for longer, and places I've previously shopped for goods are too much. But until Bubba's update comes out, the most recent one is still a good rule of thumb for comparative prices - you can always go through a text version and make your own updates (or use common sense that things have gone up a bit!) Then print out the bits you need.

[QUOTE=Torgoch]Just a quick question for those of you who live in Brazil or who have travelled there many times. Are Mastercard credit cards widely accepted in Brazil? My bank uses VISA but is switching to Mastercard, I've used VISA in Brazil without any problems. Since I have never looked for the MC logo when travelling, I can't remember if it is as widely accepted in South America. I am assuming the answer is yes .. but I would be grateful for any comments. Obrigado![/QUOTE]

I have used my Mastercard for many years in Brazil and I have never had a problem with any establishment accepting Mastercard.

I, however, do advise you to call your bank before going to Brazil and letting them know you are travelling to Brazil so that your bank will not decline any charges from Brazil.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Looking at comments on high end places, I think you're right! I generally have a 'past caring' attitude on the occasions I go to 4x4 - even if I don't tip or pay the front desk 'mistakes.' I've felt this year sometimes that the low end (my usual stomping ground) is struggling to get prices up in line with everywhere else, but 10R shots are still obtainable in Centro; and only a few VM bars have tried to push their prices. ...[/QUOTE]

BA 85 first floor, is charging R$ 35.00 for 30 minutes and other low end centro places have added on an average of 5 Reais per session of 30 min. or more. Beer seems to be holding its price and the number of beer drinkers has gone up versus those interested in a programa. Had a hard time to make it to the cabine on a recent saturday.

When business is slow, the garotas seem to get bored and it takes a greater effort to get them going. Some places that were great a few months ago, are now almost dead and others have gotten that great party atmosphere, such as Termas 116 after 7-8 PM. I just hope that their ricketty floor doesn´t colapse, with so many people in there.

In line with the high end termas higher prices, MV 30, with its 20 Reais entrance fee and lower session prices, seems to be getting some of the higher end termas business, as both times I have been there recently, they have really been full, most of the garotas are working and it was a great party atmosphere.

Cancun entrance is now $50, was $30. Was in there the other day, I am sure it is not always like this but geez the quality was bad. Nothing, zero, absoolutely nothing worth doing. Even had the infamous twins from 4x4 who are just fugly now, cellulite all over their everwidening asses, a friggin carwreck!

Has anybody been into T65 of late? I noticed "Dons Cafe" has opend next door. Apparently they are 2 seperate places but once inside you can move amongst the 2? Anybody has the run down on this place? I will be going next week, but thought I would get the heads up first!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Cancun entrance is now $50, was $30. Was in there the other day, I am sure it is not always like this but geez the quality was bad. Nothing, zero, absoolutely nothing worth doing. Even had the infamous twins from 4x4 who are just fugly now, cellulite all over their everwidening asses, a friggin carwreck!

Has anybody been into T65 of late? I noticed "Dons Cafe" has opend next door. Apparently they are 2 seperate places but once inside you can move amongst the 2? Anybody has the run down on this place? I will be going next week, but thought I would get the heads up first![/QUOTE]
Paid R$20 to enter the Cancun Whiskeria (Manhattan) just a short time ago. Since everything is the same in terms of access to talent and rooms, no need to go the robe route unless you don't want to get telltale signs of contact with the opposite sex on your street clothes. You may want to include this tip when you update your guide.

As for talent, I saw plenty that made the trip worthwhile and I am not a fan of big butts.

The always amusing 36 hours in.... takes on Rio.

Some interesting suggestions. Tomorrow I'm going to check out the elevator tower...

- SNIP -
7) A DIFFERENT VIEW

Forget those postcard-perfect views from Sugar Loaf and the Corcovado. This summer, as part of an effort to better integrate the favelas with the city, Rio unveiled a gleaming elevator tower that rises more than 20 stories to connect upscale Ipanema with the favela of Cantagalo above. At the corner of Rua Teixeira de Melo and Rua Barão da Torre, just off Praça General Osório, this progressive piece of architecture has an observation deck with views across Ipanema and Copacabana. Guards may stop you from taking a second set of elevators to the favela proper. But at least you’ve gotten as close as you’re likely to get on your own.

- UNSNIP -

[url]http://travel.nytimes.com/2010/09/19/travel/19hours.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Mr North]The always amusing 36 hours in.... takes on Rio.

Some interesting suggestions. Tomorrow I'm going to check out the elevator tower...

[url]http://travel.nytimes.com/2010/09/19/travel/19hours.html[/url][/QUOTE]

That's nice for civilians but, as an ISG member, you'd probably be more interested in Christopherd's tour. Saara market is always entertaining, whether it's getting eye candy or watching people swat at someone who's just stolen something and running away. The object is not to take chase and capture the thief, just to knock what he has stolen from his hands so it can be taken back to the vendor. Last time I saw it, it was a tray of sunglasses and a couple of policemen on the corner bumped him to knock it loose. Off he went, and the police went back to their conversation.

[post]977597[/post]

Braz Gvt recently made a lot of noise in the media about authorizing the sovereign wealth fund to buy dollars ... in an attempt to at least tell the market they were trying to halt the rise of the real. In reality, who knows? Stories said it was appreciating so much that exporters were complaining ..... that said, does nothing to stem in-country inflation I'm sure.

I will be in Brazil on a long cruise next year. Because of the high international call prices on the ship, I'd like to get a Brazilian cell for calling the U.S. That's the only reason.
What are my options? Do they have cheap, reloadable phones?

[QUOTE=Vittu]I will be in Brazil on a long cruise next year. Because of the high international call prices on the ship, I'd like to get a Brazilian cell for calling the USA That's the only reason.

What are my options? Do they have cheap, reloadable phones?[/QUOTE]Vittu, If you have a GSM phone you can use it in Brazil. If not, you can buy one cheap on Ebay for $30-$50. Just take the phone and your passport to any cell phone store and they will give you a sim card for about $40R. You then buy minutes on it like a prepaid phone. You can buy minutes at most newspaper kiosks.

[QUOTE=Vittu]I will be in Brazil on a long cruise next year. Because of the high international call prices on the ship, I'd like to get a Brazilian cell for calling the U.S. That's the only reason.
What are my options? Do they have cheap, reloadable phones?[/QUOTE]
No............

[QUOTE=Vittu]I will be in Brazil on a long cruise next year. Because of the high international call prices on the ship, I'd like to get a Brazilian cell for calling the U.S. That's the only reason.
What are my options? Do they have cheap, reloadable phones?[/QUOTE]

I recommend an internet place and Skype away.
Of course you can call the US from a Brazil cel but it's not cheap.

Texting brasil

I see certain phone companies in the USA allow unlimited texting international. Of course the person I will send the text might not have that service in brasil. Any phone plans I can get here in the USA with a brasil number?

[quote=auriflama]texting brasil

i see certain phone companies in the usa allow unlimited texting international. of course the person i will send the text might not have that service in brasil. any phone plans i can get here in the usa with a brasil number?[/quote]
not realy necessary to have a brazilian phone number in the us to text to brazil. most plans in brazil, even the pre pago or pre paid ones, accept incoming text messages and unlike n. america, the receiver usually does not pay a fee to receive a text message, only the sender.

with that being said, there could be a diference in the way the text message is processed by a us based carier using cdma or sprint pcs, making it incompatible with the receiving system in brazil, usually gms and you would probably, want to avoid using the accentuation used in brazil, as the us carier might interpret this as giberish or a command.

some service providers here in brazil, have a free website based internet to cell phone texting service, although they might require you to have an activated chip and a number with a credit balance from their company in your name, before you can send a text message online and some may charge a fee of about r$ 0,40 plus taxes for each text message you send. these services go under various names,such as oi tor**** web, claro tor****, vivo tor**** web and tim tor****. tor**** is how a text message is called here. msn used to have a paid online to sms texting service as well.

you can also text any cell phone for free, using applications such as jaxtr, gizmo sms, coolsms and there are several other java based applications that do this as well.

[QUOTE=Auriflama]Texting brasil

I see certain phone companies in the USA allow unlimited texting international. Of course the person I will send the text might not have that service in brasil. Any phone plans I can get here in the USA with a brasil number?[/QUOTE]

I've used the following service for having girls call me from Brasil. For them it's the equivalent of calling a land line versus a cell line. It's only for incoming calls though. It worked for me, so check it out.


[url]http://www.virtufon.com/cgi/vf.php[/url]


ryjer

My TIM prepaid chip sends text to and from the US no problem. Callingn the US from any Brazilian phone is expensive, kind of like it was in other countries like 20 years ago. Skype etc is the way to go. The Skype app on smart phones works great, just need an internet connection and then you have cheap calls to the US.

[QUOTE=Pelicano]
... With that being said, there could be a diference in the way the text message is processed by a US based carier using CDMA or Sprint PCS, making it incompatible with the receiving system in Brazil, usually GMS and you would probably, want to avoid using the accentuation used in Brazil, as the US carier might interpret this as giberish or a command ... [/QUOTE]

I use SPRINT in the US and have no problems texting to Brazil ...

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Skype app on smart phones works great, just need an internet connection and then you have cheap calls to the US.[/QUOTE]TIM right now offers unlimited internet access from your phone for R$0.50/day on your prepaid chip.

I receive all my e-mails, surf the web and use google maps with GPS all day long for 50 centavos. Haven't tried Skype with it because I have a VOiP phone in the apt so I don't need it; but I'm sure that would work.

My passport is expiring soon but my Brazilian tourist visa will still be valid. I have read that, in general, these visas can still be used if you present the expired passport containing the visa along with your new passport. Can anyone verify that this is true for entry into Brazil? And will I get any static from airline agents?

[QUOTE=Oralover]TIM right now offers unlimited internet access from your phone for R$0.50/day on your prepaid chip.

I receive all my e-mails, surf the web and use google maps with GPS all day long for 50 centavos. Haven't tried Skype with it because I have a VOiP phone in the apt so I don't need it; but I'm sure that would work.[/QUOTE]

That is great info, a really good deal for once to be had in Brazil.

[QUOTE=RexG]My passport is expiring soon but my Brazilian tourist visa will still be valid. I have read that, in general, these visas can still be used if you present the expired passport containing the visa along with your new passport. Can anyone verify that this is true for entry into Brazil? And will I get any static from airline agents?[/QUOTE]

Technically you are correct, just keep the old passport with the valid visa and you will technically be ok. Having said this, no matter if you are correct or not, if the federal police offer thinks this is not correct you will be basically screwed. The federal police, who control the boarders and immigration are a law unto themselves. If you point out to them that they are wrong it just makes them more determined to be assholes.

A buddy of mine was entering on tourist visas and then got a permanent visa granted, hence stayed about 6 months. When he went to leave the federal police officer fined him for over staying his 3 month tourist visa despite having a permanent visa. When he argued the point it just made the situation worse, the police officer almost arrested him. When he went to pay the fine a few weeks weeks later on his return, all federal police he spoke to said he was corect and should not be fined. The moral to the story is I would go and get a new visa on the new passport if at all possible. If this is not possible and a federal police officer decides to hassle you just be as polite as possible and try to get another police officer who does not have attitude. A lot of federal police have chips on their shoulders in regards to foriegners, hence in any situations, even when you are 100% correct it is best to be humble.

[QUOTE=RexG]My passport is expiring soon but my Brazilian tourist visa will still be valid. I have read that, in general, these visas can still be used if you present the expired passport containing the visa along with your new passport. Can anyone verify that this is true for entry into Brazil? And will I get any static from airline agents?[/QUOTE]

Yes, carry both passports because Brazilian visa is still valid. Happens all the time.

RexG,
On my last trip to Brasil, I also had a still valid Brasil visa on my expired passport. Took both passports with me. Prior to that, I checked with my local Brasilian consulate and they gave me the green lights that as long as the page containing the Brasil valid visa on the expired passport is not torn or has void written on it by your country's passport office when they renew your passport, you'll be fine. I took both passports with me and I had no problem. So make sure that when you go to the passport office, when they void your expired passport, that they do not void nor tear the page that has your valid Brasil passport. This is the key. Remember that and you'll be fine.

Checked into getting a round trip flight from the USA, departing Oct 26th, 2010 and returning about 3 to 4 weeks later and US Airways at $680, Charlotte, NC (CLT) to Rio (GIG), was the cheapest quote I received. I don't typically fly out of the USA, but I'm checking my options with regards to flying from the USA.

Is this a fairly good deal? And are there any other good deals (direct flights) out of any other USA Cities that you guys may know of?

Thanks!

Grab it, it's an excellent deal. I myself booked a one-way to Rio in March, high season, for under $500 and thought it was a deal. If everything works out we will have a 90-minute layover in Charlotte. Haven't flown USAir for years but they seem to be able to fly from point A to point B.

[QUOTE=Spidy]Checked into getting a round trip flight from the USA, departing Oct 26th, 2010 and returning about 3 to 4 weeks later and US Airways at $680, Charlotte, NC (CLT) to Rio (GIG), was the cheapest quote I received. I don't typically fly out of the USA, but I'm checking my options with regards to flying from the USA.

Is this a fairly good deal? And are there any other good deals (direct flights) out of any other USA Cities that you guys may know of?

Thanks![/QUOTE]

That looks about as cheap as your going to get it, check out this site for more alternatives:

[url]http://www.clickandfly.com/[/url]




[QUOTE=Vittu]Grab it, it's an excellent deal. I myself booked a one-way to Rio in March, high season, for under $500 and thought it was a deal. If everything works out we will have a 90-minute layover in Charlotte. Haven't flown USAir for years but they seem to be able to fly from point A to point B.[/QUOTE]


I flew USAIR earlier this year to Rio, 767 refurbished business class seats very nice, flight attendents were like cleaning ladies, no personality, food was barely edible but I got there safe and sound and on time.

I have a trip coming up where I will take a non-stop out of JFK on TAM, arrives Rio 5:30 AM, gives me a full first day to get things going. In November American Airlines is coming out with a non-stop also from JFK to GIG, seems like the non-stop is coming back from the NYC area, more flights more options hopefully the price will come down but unfortunately the demand must be high.

Nice listing with links to all respective laws that can hit you if you dare to have sex in Brazil (and in most other countries too). I was not aware that sex has can bring that many problems.

[url]http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/teenage-sexuality/27-precautions-before-risking-sex-with-a-woman[/url]

here you can train your portuguese
[url]http://human-stupidity.com/pt/stupid-dogma/teenage-sexuality/27-precautions-before-risking-sex-with-a-woman[/url]

Can anyone recommend a reasonably good Portuguese tutor in Rio who would come to my office (mid-Copacabana) for perhaps an hour a few times a week?

I have spoken to 1 tutor but she is very booked up. So I need other options.

I find it really strange that for a city that produces some of the best MMA fighters in the world, they have no MMA fights/shows in Rio! I have asked around at some of the BJJ schools and the juice stands that endorse the fighters and they say they dont have MMA fights in Brasil. Really odd.

[QUOTE=Bravo]I find it really strange that for a city that produces some of the best MMA fighters in the world, they have no MMA fights/shows in Rio! I have asked around at some of the BJJ schools and the juice stands that endorse the fighters and they say they dont have MMA fights in Brasil. Really odd.[/QUOTE]

That's true.

MMA is considered too mild here.

Look for Vale Tudo. A crueler version of MMA.

Those fights are happening all the time.

[QUOTE=Perkele]That's true.

MMA is considered too mild here.

Look for Vale Tudo. A crueler version of MMA.

Those fights are happening all the time.[/QUOTE]


Where? I know its called Vale tudo in brasil, i just used MMA so people on this board would know what I was talking about. Where can I see vale tudo en rio because I asked all ove rthe place and every answer was "we dont have fights here " or "we dont know".

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman]Can anyone recommend a reasonably good Portuguese tutor in Rio who would come to my office (mid-Copacabana) for perhaps an hour a few times a week?

I have spoken to 1 tutor but she is very booked up. So I need other options.[/QUOTE]
Put an ad in the newspaper, at the University, or in BrazilCupid. You'll have hundreds of proposals.
If you need an educated girl, go ask to the female receptionists of the better hotels. They are bilingual, have graduated from a tourist school and could orient you well.
Regards.
B.B.

[QUOTE=Bravo]Where? I know its called Vale tudo in brasil, i just used MMA so people on this board would know what I was talking about. Where can I see vale tudo en rio because I asked all ove rthe place and every answer was "we dont have fights here " or "we dont know".[/QUOTE]

Honestly I have been in one fight over the years and I'm not interested, but a little google:

[url]http://www.portaldovt.com.br/english/[/url]

[QUOTE=Bravo]I find it really strange that for a city that produces some of the best MMA fighters in the world, they have no MMA fights/shows in Rio! I have asked around at some of the BJJ schools and the juice stands that endorse the fighters and they say they dont have MMA fights in Brasil. Really odd.[/QUOTE]
Go to Shopping Santa Clara 33 (Rua Santa Clara 33), loja 1107/1108.
There is a shop selling fight gear, Rip Dorey. The sweet attendant, Renata, can provide you with info on where to see Vale Tudo fights.

I'm going to Rio soon on a non stop to Rio on Tam.

For the past 13 years I have been checking my luggage in a large hard side samsonite case on Continental airlines and have never had a problem.

The samsonite lock broke recently so I went out and bought a Tumi set, carry on case 20" , suitor and check in case.

I decided to go completely carry on this trip since I have the carry on case and suitor; I followed the rules of the tsa on liquids and did everything by the book.

I called TAM today just to get some info and before I hung up she wanted to inform me about the carry on rules, so I listened to what she had to say thinking there would be no problem, this is what she told me:

You can carry on 1 carry on item that is 11.5 lbs and 1 personal item that could be a laptop and you can check in luggage up to 70 lbs.

I told her my carry on bag is 20'' in diameter and 33 lbs, she told me then I would have to check this as my carry on can't be more than 11.5 lbs. WTF?

I'm sure some of you guys flew TAM before, ever experience this?

I don't think you can officially carry on any bag weighing anything close t0 33lbs. Most arilines in my experience have official allowances not much more than 11lbs. Of course when you actually check in you can usually get away with 20lbs easy enough, 33lbs is probably stretching things.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]I'm going to Rio soon on a non stop to Rio on Tam.

For the past 13 years I have been checking my luggage in a large hard side samsonite case on Continental airlines and have never had a problem.

The samsonite lock broke recently so I went out and bought a Tumi set, carry on case 20" , suitor and check in case.

I decided to go completely carry on this trip since I have the carry on case and suitor; I followed the rules of the tsa on liquids and did everything by the book.

I called TAM today just to get some info and before I hung up she wanted to inform me about the carry on rules, so I listened to what she had to say thinking there would be no problem, this is what she told me:

You can carry on 1 carry on item that is 11.5 lbs and 1 personal item that could be a laptop and you can check in luggage up to 70 lbs.

I told her my carry on bag is 20'' in diameter and 33 lbs, she told me then I would have to check this as my carry on can't be more than 11.5 lbs. WTF?

I'm sure some of you guys flew TAM before, ever experience this?[/QUOTE]

They're not going to weigh your carry on at the gate, that's just what the res agent is told to say.
Just walk on as usual with a big smile.

I've flown TAM a few times - not my fave airline but although the trip can vary quite a bit usually serviceable. Like many airlines, their strictness at check in may be influenced by how full the plane is and whether she had a decent breakfast before checking your bag.

But 70lbs is way out of order. PM me your packing list if you like (I generally travel cabin only and extended multistop). Given that I'm sometimes a bit over the official limit by a pound or two though, here's a few tricks fwiw. However heavy my carry on is, I make an effort to lift it casually with one hand, as if it weighs hardly anything; anything particularly heavy goes in a jacket pocket; I always flirt with the check in clerk and try to make her feel good (and the bag an afterthought); I pick up a duty-free bag at the earliest opportunity - putting stuff in there is not technically allowed but often they won't check; I tell myself I don't care (so I won't stress), but will remonstrate heavily if challenged (it once got me at least a free upgrade - "I've been round the world on this trip cabin baggage only and are you going to ruin my wonderful memories of your airline and great country by being the only one to refuse??") Finally I always have enough ready cash in case they say, "It would be a surcharge" - this rarely works in Europe, though they might relent and let it through (In India on Air India, I'd just pay a bribe to "fix" any problem, but don't recommend this on TAM!).

Good luck. Do think twice about carrying so much - there's ways round most of the stuff you think you need.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]I'm going to Rio soon on a non stop to Rio on Tam...
I told her my carry on bag is 20'' in diameter and 33 lbs, she told me then I would have to check this as my carry on can't be more than 11.5 lbs. WTF?
I'm sure some of you guys flew TAM before, ever experience this?[/QUOTE]
I flew with TAM several times. Sometimes only with a carry on luggage.

33 lbs is about 15 kg. It shouldn't be a problem. I usually put my bag over the shoulder pretending it's very light when I walk up to the counter. Chit-chat with the attendant to distract her from giving attention to your luggage.

Since TAM joined Star Alliance, I just show them my Continental Million Miler card and Star Alliance Gold gold and I get seated in front. Great they're doing it, al least until the honeymoon wears off.

Air India. jaja Money Power. flew with them to Dhaka last week. Then, on Biman where -- surprise -- their jet was an old Varig craft. Still had all the signage in Portuguese, everything, even the food service cart with Varig on it. Might have ridden the same one from JFK to GRU twenty years. It looked THAT old.

Getting laid in Rio is a no-brainer. But what kind of a plug will I need for my notebook?

[QUOTE=Sperto]I flew with TAM several times. Sometimes only with a carry on luggage.

33 lbs is about 15 kg. It shouldn't be a problem. I usually put my bag over the shoulder pretending it's very light when I walk up to the counter. Chit-chat with the attendant to distract her from giving attention to your luggage.[/QUOTE]

I fly with TAM all the time and they are alert on the size of carry on luggage.

Actually you can have 2. One with certain size (can't remember now) and 5 kilos and one laptop. These can be separate.

Why is it so difficult to check in the luggage? I know that eg. Galeao airport in Rio is slowest in the world, what comes to getting the luggage but its not possible to take all in carry on. Be considerate. Imagine if you all should travel with your carry on on your feer under the seat in front of you? Space is sparce in airplanes and if someone takes oversized carry on it means that someone else needs to travel without leg space. On long haul that would be really unconfortable.

My opinion is that anyone who wants to take oversized carry on should pay extra seat for to be able to do so.

[QUOTE=Vittu]Getting laid in Rio is a no-brainer. But what kind of a plug will I need for my notebook?[/QUOTE]

If you mean power, its more complicated. In Rio there are at least 3 different kind of power outlets.

1st is US style flat pin outlet.
2nd is almost similar as in North Europe, 2 round pins, although very thin.
3rd is new brazilian standard. 3 round pins.

None of these are really compatible with any international standards. I doubt that there is an adapter for the new 3 pin power outlet for sale outside of Brazil.

Now, when you finally check in the hotel or see your apartment check which type of power plug you need. Then go to supermarket and buy an adapter. They're cheap, 1 - 2 reais. They are called: Benjamin. Don't ask me why.

[QUOTE=Perkele]Now, when you finally check in the hotel or see your apartment check which type of power plug you need. Then go to supermarket and buy an adapter. They're cheap, 1 - 2 reais. They are called: Benjamin. Don't ask me why.[/QUOTE]The supermarket? You can't go a block in Copa without bumping into a guy selling them on the street.

[QUOTE=Perkele]I fly with TAM all the time and they are alert on the size of carry on luggage ...

[/QUOTE]

Yep, if the size of the carry-on is xtra large, it may draw attention and they may not allow it.

They will not, however, be alerted as to the weight or over-weight of the bag if the bag is of relatively normal size.

Casually walk on, casually stow it in the over-head bin, everyone contente :)

[QUOTE=Ricker]Yep, if the size of the carry-on is xtra large, it may draw attention and they may not allow it.

They will not, however, be alerted as to the weight or over-weight of the bag if the bag is of relatively normal size.

Casually walk on, casually stow it in the over-head bin, everyone contente :)[/QUOTE]

Yes thank you all for your comments.

The bag is regulation carry on 20" but it weighs 33 lbs, she made a point to tell me they only allow 11.5 lbs.

I really wanted to go carry on this time because I was worried that Tam may lose my bag but it's non stop jfk - gig so I don't think there is much to worry about.

Either way I'll be ok.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]I'm going to Rio soon on a non stop to Rio on Tam.

For the past 13 years I have been checking my luggage in a large hard side samsonite case on Continental airlines and have never had a problem.

The samsonite lock broke recently so I went out and bought a Tumi set, carry on case 20" , suitor and check in case.

I decided to go completely carry on this trip since I have the carry on case and suitor; I followed the rules of the tsa on liquids and did everything by the book.

I called TAM today just to get some info and before I hung up she wanted to inform me about the carry on rules, so I listened to what she had to say thinking there would be no problem, this is what she told me:

You can carry on 1 carry on item that is 11.5 lbs and 1 personal item that could be a laptop and you can check in luggage up to 70 lbs.

I told her my carry on bag is 20'' in diameter and 33 lbs, she told me then I would have to check this as my carry on can't be more than 11.5 lbs. WTF?

I'm sure some of you guys flew TAM before, ever experience this?[/QUOTE]

Yep same thing happened to me a couple years ago when flying from GRU to Porto Alegre. I just got off an international flight with the carry on I always travel with and the counter-person made me check it as it was over the 11.5 pound limit.

I found this article interesting, hopefully there won't be any retaliation on Americans going through passport control because of this. Continental Airlines was involved, we'll see what happens:

[url]http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/10/21/us.brazil.air.marshals/?hpt=T1[/url]

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]I found this article interesting, hopefully there won't be any retaliation on Americans going through passport control because of this. Continental Airlines was involved, we'll see what happens:

[url]http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/10/21/us.brazil.air.marshals/?hpt=T1[/url][/QUOTE]

The air marshals went way over the top. They are there to protect against terroism, not get involved in simple delinquent behaviour which should be left to the crew ,eventally and if necessary the Captain, as it always has been before

[QUOTE=Beach Star]The air marshals went way over the top. They are there to protect against terroism, not get involved in simple delinquent behaviour which should be left to the crew ,eventally and if necessary the Captain, as it always has been before[/QUOTE]

Yes you're right but I also find it interesting that they have 2 air marshalls on a Rio flight, obviously they consider this a high threat destination.

[QUOTE=Beach Star]The air marshals went way over the top. They are there to protect against terroism, not get involved in simple delinquent behaviour which should be left to the crew ,eventally and if necessary the Captain, as it always has been before[/QUOTE]

Well actually it is the air marshalls responsibility to act against basically any act that can endanger the safety of a flight according to the "Tokyo convention", of which Brazil has signed. The lady was intoxicated and out of control, biting one of the marshalls, hence deserved to be arrested. If you or I did this, we would surely be arrested and would deserve to be.

To me this is just another example of how corrupt Brazil is, basically if you have connections you make the law. If it wasn't the fact that she was a judges wife she would have been arrested by the federal police. Even if you are absolutely correct in any your actions and you come up against a connected Brazilian you will be arrested and found guilty.

The corrupt & inefficient Brazilian legal system is the number 1 problem holding Brazil back from sustainable prosperity.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]I found this article interesting, hopefully there won't be any retaliation on Americans going through passport control because of this. Continental Airlines was involved, we'll see what happens:

[url]http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/10/21/us.brazil.air.marshals/?hpt=T1[/url][/QUOTE]
I wonder what those "alternate travel documents" were. How could they get out of the country without passports?

Mongers-

The air marshals were without a doubt traveling on "Official" US Passports, which means alternative travel documents were most likely their personal US Passports. All US Passport holders regardless of class of passport are required to have a visa to enter Brazil. It appears the air marshals also had Brazilian Visas in their personal US Passports, which they then used to exit Brazil. Questions remain about the semantics of exiting Brazil without the required entry stamp but if the air marshals were frequent travelers to Brazil with numerous stamps this would not be a problem.

Sorte,
Rock Harders

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Yes you're right but I also find it interesting that they have 2 air marshalls on a Rio flight, obviously they consider this a high threat destination.[/QUOTE]

I think you would be surprised on how many flights to how many destinations there really are Air Marshals on the aircraft. The reasons might seem far fetched, but then again that is difficult to know the "why".
Given that I have been in the industry for a while, I can tell you that while many people think they know who the Marshals are, the only way you will know is if they want you to know.
As far as them doing "the right thing" in this instance, the mission for them has changed a lot since they were put on the airplanes. In the past they were told to stay out of "minor" disputes and only get involved if the flight was under threat. I don't know for sure, but I think they are allowed to "uncover" for other reasons now, after a few crewmembers and passengers were injured on flights by "idiots" and the Marshals were not allowed to intervene.
Trust me when I tell you these ladies and gentlemen of the Air Marshall service are very well trained, and very proficient at what they do. I would be very surprised if they got involved when they shouldn't have or "overeacted". I think it is much more likely the press reports are in error or don't have all the facts.

Alternate travel docs can be a temporary passport issued by the US embassy. The temp passport is basically a cardboard version on the real thing but of course temporary. Anyone that loses their passport can be issued with "alternative travel documents", this can be issued quickly by the embassy to anyone, usually within 48 hours if ID can be proved quickly. In the case of the airmarshals, it was probably have done in minutes.

The real interesting thing would be to see the exact way they got out of Rio, through customs quickly. Possibly accompanied by an embassy member with a diplomatic passort? Possibly an embassy staff member called the airline and they were escorted through customs quickly without the federal police asking too many questions.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Alternate travel docs can be a temporary passport issued by the US embassy. The temp passport is basically a cardboard version on the real thing but of course temporary. Anyone that loses their passport can be issued with "alternative travel documents", this can be issued quickly by the embassy to anyone, usually within 48 hours if ID can be proved quickly. In the case of the airmarshals, it was probably have done in minutes.

The real interesting thing would be to see the exact way they got out of Rio, through customs quickly. Possibly accompanied by an embassy member with a diplomatic passort? Possibly an embassy staff member called the airline and they were escorted through customs quickly without the federal police asking too many questions.[/QUOTE]

More likely they just used a NEXUS or SENTRI Identification card which is a valid alternative travel document.

[QUOTE=Sky Ryder]... Trust me when I tell you these ladies and gentlemen of the Air Marshall service are very well trained, and very proficient at what they do. I would be very surprised if they got involved when they shouldn't have or "overeacted". I think it is much more likely the press reports are in error or don't have all the facts.[/QUOTE]
Yes they are probably well trained, but there are numerous examples of security officials in the US abusing their authority. Just do a google search with the keywords "don't tase me Bro". Even a simple verbal remark can put you in deep trouble with these people.
I go the USA as little as I can. I do not feel secure there, not because of criminals, but because of the excessive powers and frequent abuse of security officials.
Passing the immigration controls or passing any airport security check in the USA is a very unpleasant experience.

[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy]Yes they are probably well trained, but there are numerous examples of security officials in the US abusing their authority. Just do a google search with the keywords "don't tase me Bro". Even a simple verbal remark can put you in deep trouble with these people.
I go the USA as little as I can. I do not feel secure there, not because of criminals, but because of the excessive powers and frequent abuse of security officials.
Passing the immigration controls or passing any airport security check in the USA is a very unpleasant experience.[/QUOTE]

The US citizens are simply too sensitive. As we all know: Anything you say can and WILL be used against you.

USA is worth only for shopping.

[quote=poucolouco]more likely they just used a nexus or sentri identification card which is a valid alternative travel document.[/quote]

only at the us borders with canada and mexico, respectively. i'm betting on the alternate travel documents being a temporary passport. the reason that i don't think that they used personal or diplomatic/official passports as rock harders suggests is that you still need a visa and to exit, you need the receipt with an entry stamp and your passport information in it (which would obviously have to match what is in this case a confirep001ed passport.)

I spoke to a stewardess recently and she told me that air crews get extra passports valid for one only year so that they can have one passport to travel while the other one is out getting visas.

Guys, I am considering a trip to Rio in May and June of next year. According to weather reports it is a bit cool that time of the year. The temperature itself does not bother me but I am worried about possible lack of talent or harder to find good talent in the "low season". Any plusses and minuses of going that time of the year? I am planning 10 days in Rio and 10 days or so further north towards Fortaleza. I would imagine Northeast Brazil is nice that time of the year.

Thank you.

Next month I will be travelling through Rodoviária Novo Rio on my way from Paraty to Copacabana. At this bus station I will transfer from the Paraty bus to bus #126 bound for Copa. I will arrive at this transfer point around 9PM. How safe is this area after dark? I will be carrying a few things (e.g backpack with camera) that might attract thieves. Would it be wiser to take a cab to Copa?

[QUOTE=RexG]Next month I will be travelling through Rodoviária Novo Rio on my way from Paraty to Copacabana. At this bus station I will transfer from the Paraty bus to bus #126 bound for Copa. I will arrive at this transfer point around 9PM. How safe is this area after dark? I will be carrying a few things (e.g backpack with camera) that might attract thieves. Would it be wiser to take a cab to Copa?[/QUOTE]
Instead of a taxi you can take the frescão, Real Bus, just outside the rodoviária.
The regular city bus might not be safe that late in the evening, considering you are carrying luggage.

Has anyone taken an interstate bus out of Foz? I have a question, is there a border or customs check on the highway out of Foz?

The reason I ask is that by Air they basically scan your luggage upon entering the departure area of the airport for people with more than their $300 allowable duty free allowance. They are getting more and more thorough with their searches now, kind of really getting to be a pain in the ass. The airline staff also check you passport for a valid visa stamp, actually they only check to see if you have the entry paper stamped. Hence I was wondering that a bus may be a better option for my twice yearly shopping trip to the border area. However was wondering if there is a check on the highway as well to check the buses going north? I was thinking maybe catch a bus to Curitiba and then air to Rio if there is a less intrusive border check via road.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Well actually it is the air marshalls responsibility to act against basically any act that can endanger the safety of a flight according to the "Tokyo convention", of which Brazil has signed. The lady was intoxicated and out of control, biting one of the marshalls, hence deserved to be arrested. If you or I did this, we would surely be arrested and would deserve to be.

QUOTE

Nonsense. The Tokyo convention of 1963 consolidated the rights of airplane commanders, not modern day anti-terrorism air marshals. As I sald before this delinquency on board, IF, it existed, should have been left to the crew to resolve. The crew also has extensive training in dealing with such situations. You have assumed the woman was guilty,just because she is the wife of a judge, which was not proved. If the marshals were so sure of themselves why run so fast when questioned?? The only illegal thing here.crystal clear, seems to be the air marshals exit from Brazil.

[QUOTE=Beach Star]
Nonsense. The Tokyo convention of 1963 consolidated the rights of airplane commanders, not modern day anti-terrorism air marshals. As I sald before this delinquency on board, IF, it existed, should have been left to the crew to resolve. The crew also has extensive training in dealing with such situations. You have assumed the woman was guilty,just because she is the wife of a judge, which was not proved. If the marshals were so sure of themselves why run so fast when questioned?? The only illegal thing here.crystal clear, seems to be the air marshals exit from Brazil.[/QUOTE]



According to various news reports the aircrew asked the marshalls to intervene. According to the article 2 different sources confirmed the arrested lady "bit" one of the marshalls. I really can't see what your point is?

Please also explain the merits of a legal system which arrests 2 airmarshalls in this instance?

[url]http://articles.cnn.com/2010-10-21/world/us.brazil.air.marshals_1_air-marshals-brazilian-judge-brazilian-authorities?_s=PM:WORLD[/url]

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]According to various news reports the aircrew asked the marshalls to intervene. According to the article 2 different sources confirmed the arrested lady "bit" one of the marshalls. I really can't see what your point is?

Please also explain the merits of a legal system which arrests 2 airmarshalls in this instance?

[url]http://articles.cnn.com/2010-10-21/world/us.brazil.air.marshals_1_air-marshals-brazilian-judge-brazilian-authorities?_s=PM:WORLD[/url][/QUOTE]Bubba Boy, Do not pay attention to all these mongrels.

And yes, I do agree that the air marshals were wronged. They will have no problems getting new passports once back in the US. Focus man, focus. Need to refocus on getting the updated version of your esteemed guide. Waiting eagerly for it. Leave these unimportant matters to us mortals.

[QUOTE=Edward M]I spoke to a stewardess recently and she told me that air crews get extra passports valid for one only year so that they can have one passport to travel while the other one is out getting visas.[/QUOTE]The 'extra passports' have a 2-year validity. at least mine does.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]According to various news reports the aircrew asked the marshalls to intervene. According to the article 2 different sources confirmed the arrested lady "bit" one of the marshalls. I really can't see what your point is?

Please also explain the merits of a legal system which arrests 2 airmarshalls in this instance?

[url]http://articles.cnn.com/2010-10-21/world/us.brazil.air.marshals_1_air-marshals-brazilian-judge-brazilian-authorities?_s=PM:WORLD[/url][/QUOTE]

The air marshalls are not judge, jury and executioner. The federal judge was perfectly within his rights to ask for an investigation. The Marshalls have no legal power to arrest a passenger in Brazilian territory as a Brazilian agent would have no right to arrest an American in the USA.

The marshalls would have had top level consular support, so why flee? What bothers me is that the escape plan was ready and executed very smoothly.

[QUOTE=Beach Star]The air marshalls are not judge, jury and executioner. The federal judge was perfectly within his rights to ask for an investigation. The Marshalls have no legal power to arrest a passenger in Brazilian territory as a Brazilian agent would have no right to arrest an American in the USA.

The marshalls would have had top level consular support, so why flee? What bothers me is that the escape plan was ready and executed very smoothly.[/QUOTE]

Does it now.

Question, since when the americans have assumed their position when clearly wrong????

Honestly....

[QUOTE=Beach Star]The air marshalls are not judge, jury and executioner. The federal judge was perfectly within his rights to ask for an investigation. The Marshalls have no legal power to arrest a passenger in Brazilian territory as a Brazilian agent would have no right to arrest an American in the USA.

The marshalls would have had top level consular support, so why flee? What bothers me is that the escape plan was ready and executed very smoothly.[/QUOTE]

The first part of your argument is not correct. They did not arrest the person in Brazilian Territory. They arrested her in International Airspace on an American plane, this falls under American law until the plane lands. Upon landing they then turned her over to the Federal Brazilian Police upon arrival. This is standard legal procedure as per the various legal treaties that Brazil has signed. According to the various news articles that reported the happenings, the marshalls followed legal procedure to the letter. Whether you agree with Marshalls or not is not really relevant to this argument.

As to why they chose to leave the country? . Brazil has proven time and time again that they do not have a fair and just legal system. I would do the same thing if I was in the same situation. Luckily the Brazilian legal/immigration system is so inffecient it would be easy to flee the country without a problem. Nobody would want to stick around because Brazil does not respect international laws. Even if you ask your average Brazilian, they are embarassed by their corrupt legal system and scared of their own police.


Look up the David Goldman case, pure example of how a Brazilian with influence can make their own laws.

[QUOTE=Vitrea]Guys, I am considering a trip to Rio in May and June of next year. According to weather reports it is a bit cool that time of the year. The temperature itself does not bother me but I am worried about possible lack of talent or harder to find good talent in the "low season". Any plusses and minuses of going that time of the year? I am planning 10 days in Rio and 10 days or so further north towards Fortaleza. I would imagine Northeast Brazil is nice that time of the year.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]

I went memorial day week 2009 - beaches hot and talent incredible. Especially Thursday before Memorial Day - club packed.

[QUOTE=B J Lover]I went memorial day week 2009 - beaches hot and talent incredible. Especially Thursday before Memorial Day - club packed.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. That is very helpful.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]The first part of your argument is not correct. They did not arrest the person in Brazilian Territory. They arrested her in International Airspace on an American plane, this falls under American law until the plane lands. Upon landing they then turned her over to the Federal Brazilian Police upon arrival. This is standard legal procedure as per the various legal treaties that Brazil has signed. According to the various news articles that reported the happenings, the marshalls followed legal procedure to the letter. Whether you agree with Marshalls or not is not really relevant to this argument.

As to why they chose to leave the country? . Brazil has proven time and time again that they do not have a fair and just legal system. I would do the same thing if I was in the same situation. Luckily the Brazilian legal/immigration system is so inffecient it would be easy to flee the country without a problem. Nobody would want to stick around because Brazil does not respect international laws. Even if you ask your average Brazilian, they are embarassed by their corrupt legal system and scared of their own police.


Look up the David Goldman case, pure example of how a Brazilian with influence can make their own laws.[/QUOTE]

This goes for any situation that involves you in the Brazilian legal system. If you have the option to run, best take that option. As a gringo your chances of a fair crack of the whip are definitely against you. Non existent, if going up against a Brazilian with connections. The general phychy of the population at all levels does not expect fair play.

I want to bring my computer on my trip to Rio, I am from europe, and I have a new HP with a regular european plug. Can someone please tell me whether I need some kind of adaptor, or if it'll work as it is.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Wonderguy]I want to bring my computer on my trip to Rio, I am from europe, and I have a new HP with a regular european plug. Can someone please tell me whether I need some kind of adaptor, or if it'll work as it is.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
Two pins european will work and taking a two flat oins (USA) adaptor will sort out if soemwhere they are on US sockets
In most cases the socket is dual: two pins euro/USA

[QUOTE=Wonderguy]I want to bring my computer on my trip to Rio, I am from europe, and I have a new HP with a regular european plug. Can someone please tell me whether I need some kind of adaptor, or if it'll work as it is.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Thanks to wiki.

Brazil is one of a few countries that uses both 120 and 240 volts for everyday appliances. Expect the voltage to change back and forth as you travel from one place to the next -- even within the same Brazilian state, sometimes even within the same building. There is no physical difference in the electric outlets (power mains) for the two voltages.

Electric outlets usually accept both flat (North American), and round (European) plugs. Otherwise adaptors from flat blades to round pins are easy to find in any supermarket or hardware shop. Some outlets are too narrow for the German "Schuko" plugs. The best makeshift solution is to buy a cheap T-connection and just force your "Schuko" in, -the T will break, but it will work. Very few outlets have a grounding point, and some might not accept newer North American polarized plugs, where one pin is slightly larger. Again, use the cheap T. Near the border with Argentina, you might occasionally find outlets for the Australia/New Zealand-type plug. If crossing the border, you'll probably need this adapter as well.

In 2009/2010, a the IEC 60906-1 was introduced in Brazil and some newer buidings already have it. It is backwards compatible with the Europlug, but it has a receded socket. Again, T-plugs can be used as adapters for other common formats.

Frequency is 60Hz, which may disturb 50 Hz electric clocks. Blackouts are less and less frequent, but you always run a risk at peak of high season in small tourist towns.

[url]http://www.kropla.com/electric2.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy]This kind of bias and prejudice makes me mad.
"Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the rafter in your own eye?", Matthew 7:1-29[/QUOTE]So you are basically saying that nobody can say anything bad about another countries legal system because that would mean they are bias and prejudice. Give me a break!

[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy]Do you infer that the USA legal system is fair? What would be the chances of a simple Brazilian policeman against an American citizen with connections in an USA court ? My guess is about the same chances as the American marshals in Brazil. Not any better.

This kind of bias and prejudice makes me mad.

"Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the rafter in your own eye?", Matthew 7:1-29[/QUOTE]It is a fact that some countries, societies and cultures are more corrupt than others. Observing that fact is not prejudice. Check out the latest data from transparency org about corruption perception of ALL countries of the world released this week. Brazil is not on the bottom but significantly lower than the top 20 least-corrupt nations.

[url]http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010/results[/url]

And yes, in my opinion if a Brazilian air marshall were to arrest the wife of a famous American judge, the marshall would have been treated more than fairly. The Judge and his wife would have been in trouble and the cop probably would have been interviewed by all major networks and sent home with commendation. I am not prejudiced. That is a fact of life.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]...Getting back on track. Out of the 80 countries that I have visited, maybe 20 have an efficient corrupt free legal system. Those 20 countries are generally the most developed countries. The basis for all successful countries with a high standard of living is to have a just legal system. Brazil does not have a just legal system, if it did, the economy would just grow and grow. Now before someones says the Brazilian economy is growing strongly, well yes it is. However it has had booming economies before, big booms in fact. Sadly, because it does not reform its legal system the boom turns to a bust as most of the wealth generated is stolen by the elite upper class and the underclass's suffer. Will this boom last? Who knows, but the reforms the government has been putting in place are painfully slow and serious reforms are still needed if Brazil wishes to continue its development.[/QUOTE]Well written Bubba Boy.

-Helpmann :)

[blue]Greetings Everyone,

I moved the last several pages of discussion regarding "Racism against foreigners in Brazil" to another thread in this forum titled "Racism against foreigners in Brazil".

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=3158[/url]

This "Thread Splitting" process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently moved/did not move a few reports. If you find that your own report was also moved/not moved, please don't take it personally.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

I know its not good to generalize but overall do Brazilian girls make good wives to take back to the U.S.A.?? I know its different for every region and Im sure girls from inland are a lot different from girls that are from Rio or Sao Paulo. Im talking to some girls from Sao Paulo and Rio that are non pro and just wondering if I should have second thoughts about starting a serious relationship with these girls. Im coming to brazil in december for a while. thanks

[QUOTE=Illini333]I know its not good to generalize but overall do Brazilian girls make good wives to take back to the U.S.A.?? I know its different for every region and Im sure girls from inland are a lot different from girls that are from Rio or Sao Paulo. Im talking to some girls from Sao Paulo and Rio that are non pro and just wondering if I should have second thoughts about starting a serious relationship with these girls. Im coming to brazil in december for a while. thanks[/QUOTE]
Without being controversial, loooooong gone are the days when brasilian girls wanted to escape their country. The women aren't desperate anymore to leave Brasil (or, for that matter, FSU countries) to escape economic doom, to live a boring middle-class suburban life in Colombus-Ohio or Frankfurt-Germany. Economies have improved dramatically everywhere since the 90's. Sex-hungry foreign tourists aren't interesting anymore as an escape option.

Furthermore, the few "normal" girls who want to leave abroad got everywhere exposed to higher-class tourism and have raised their standard. They aren't just looking for "anyone", but rather "the One".

That said, the poorer girls remain one-track mind gold-diggers. It's in their blood and called survival. If it's what you are looking for.

[QUOTE=Illini333]I know its not good to generalize but overall do Brazilian girls make good wives to take back to the U.S.A.?? I know its different for every region and Im sure girls from inland are a lot different from girls that are from Rio or Sao Paulo. Im talking to some girls from Sao Paulo and Rio that are non pro and just wondering if I should have second thoughts about starting a serious relationship with these girls. Im coming to brazil in december for a while. thanks[/QUOTE]

That depends on several factors. First of all, what is girls background. Is she from favs or is she high class girl. Life of these two extremes are enormous.

Also these things depends of your background and how do you see world in general.

First ask from yourself a few questions:

Do I tolerate people with less education than myself.
Do I want to support someone for rest of her life.
Do I stand the prejudice of my friends, co-workers, family, neighbours etc.
Do I have balls to go through the interracial relationship in general

Honestly, think what you're doing.

Although as per my understanding there is nothing worse than american women so you can't go too wrong.

[QUOTE=Perkele]That depends on several factors. First of all, what is girls background. Is she from favs or is she high class girl. Life of these two extremes are enormous.

Also these things depends of your background and how do you see world in general.

First ask from yourself a few questions:

Do I tolerate people with less education than myself.
Do I want to support someone for rest of her life.
Do I stand the prejudice of my friends, co-workers, family, neighbours etc.
Do I have balls to go through the interracial relationship in general

Honestly, think what you're doing.

Although as per my understanding there is nothing worse than american women so you can't go too wrong.[/QUOTE]

Good one. You hit the nail on the head with your last line. Of course, this group of men are biased. :-)

[QUOTE=Perkele]First ask from yourself a few questions:

Do I tolerate people with less education than myself.
Do I want to support someone for rest of her life.
Do I stand the prejudice of my friends, co-workers, family, neighbours etc.
Do I have balls to go through the interracial relationship in general.[/QUOTE]Why the assumption Illini33 is aiming for uneducated mulatta favelada, unless of course that's your target profile Answer to the man's question is: 'What are you looking for? Anybody can bag something easy to catch.

I am a bit confused about Jú Panteras and Mural da Prazer ([url]http://www.muraldoprazer.com/mulheres/index.php?cat=largodomachado[/url]). Although I may be mistaken, both seem to have a privé near the Largo do Machado metro station. Actually it appears that they have the same phone number (3185-4060). Can anyone confirm that they are indeed the same establishment? And I assume that Mural da Prazer is different than Bel Prazer? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Perkele]That depends on several factors. First of all, what is girls background. Is she from favs or is she high class girl. Life of these two extremes are enormous.

Also these things depends of your background and how do you see world in general.

First ask from yourself a few questions:

Do I tolerate people with less education than myself.
Do I want to support someone for rest of her life.
Do I stand the prejudice of my friends, co-workers, family, neighbours etc.
Do I have balls to go through the interracial relationship in general

Honestly, think what you're doing.

Although as per my understanding there is nothing worse than american women so you can't go too wrong.[/QUOTE]

It is true that there is nothing worse than women. The problem in bringing a brazilian to the US is that they will be infected with american culture and become the american woman you were trying to avoid. The only way I know to avoid this is to move to Brazil and stay with the girl there.

Anyone able to recommend a cleaning service to do a one-time clean, top to bottom, of an apartment prior to move-in of a tenant?

I need a service to literally scrub the floors, walls, etc. of an apartment in Copa prior to the tenant taking possession.

Not a job for a day-maid as it requires thoroughly cleaning several rooms, bathrooms, walls, etc.

Anyone know a good service that would do this even for a higher price?

Thx.
Cartman

[QUOTE=Simpleminded]It is true that there is nothing worse than women. The problem in bringing a brazilian to the US is that they will be infected with american culture and become the american woman you were trying to avoid. The only way I know to avoid this is to move to Brazil and stay with the girl there.[/QUOTE]Simpleminded,

You are truly living up to your name. There are many terrific American women. I find the US women that are most difficult have been f'd over by dickweed guys. Not every US woman gets infected by the culture of the Kardasians, Real Housewives of NJ and shop til you drop.

[QUOTE=Hughdad]Simpleminded,

You are truly living up to your name. There are many terrific American women. I find the US women that are most difficult have been f'd over by dickweed guys. Not every US woman gets infected by the culture of the Kardasians, Real Housewives of NJ and shop til you drop.[/QUOTE]

Well I live in NJ unfortunately. I don't hang out with "Housewives of NJ" type of men or women. The men that I know are either divorced (not from cheating or abusing their wives) or living sexless miserable lives where they basically have to give in to whatever their wives want for fear of getting divorced and having to live like a pauper.
If I stated that people were born with five fingers on each hand, you would be correct in saying that there are some people who are born with more than five fingers or less than five fingers. When I said that US women are infected with the US culture, of course you are right by saying that not all of them are. I prefer not to lose half my money trying to pick the few good needles in a haystack. To each his own, but the odds are against it.

[QUOTE=Simpleminded]If I stated that people were born with five fingers on each hand, you would say that there are some people who are born with more than five fingers or less than five fingers[/QUOTE]You have met Hughdad. Quibbling at its best.

[QUOTE=Prosal]You have met Hughdad. Quibbling at its best.[/QUOTE]Says the silly little twit who only comes here to bash Brazil and talk about Russia.

[QUOTE=Hughdad]Says the silly little twit who only comes here to bash Brazil and talk about Russia.[/QUOTE]"I'm the dude with the Berluti shoes and Cortigiani shirt sitting at the corner, sipping Beluga vodka, and flirting with girls passing by."

Hughdad, take it easy on this guy, will you. You don't often come across entertainment value this rich. Let's enjoy the Prozzal character for what it is, before this fantasy life and misanthropic boundless ego is constrained without a keyboard somewhere in a rubber room.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]"I'm the dude with the Berluti shoes and Cortigiani shirt sitting at the corner, sipping Beluga vodka, and flirting with girls passing by."

Hughdad, take it easy on this guy, will you. You don't often come across entertainment value this rich. Let's enjoy the Prozzal character for what it is, before this fantasy life and misanthropic boundless ego is constrained without a keyboard somewhere in a rubber room.[/QUOTE]Agreed, he is a real tool.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman]Anyone able to recommend a cleaning service to do a one-time clean, top to bottom, of an apartment prior to move-in of a tenant?

Anyone know a good service that would do this even for a higher price?

Thx.
Cartman[/QUOTE]

Try one of the girls at VM who don't seem to be getting any business, like the ones standing on the stairs on the side of Rua Ceará opposite the catacombs. In my estimate, if they'll stand down there all night hoping to score R$20 or whatever their actual takehome is for a session; they'll probably clean your place for no more than twice that. Seriously..

Unrelated to you or that:
I see a bunch of crazy talk below, I must say, 'wow'...Do Brasileiras make good wives for Americans to [i]take home[/i]? Haha. It's like watching an 80's horror movie, the general plot and the outcomes are well-known to all, but the people still go through that door or turn that corner? I wonder what it would be like turned in reverse, with people coming to America to find American wives. Everyone bashes Americanas, but if someone can't find a mate in the diversity of the US, going abroad to a country with a different language is not going to help.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]Hughdad, take it easy on this guy, will you. You don't often come across entertainment value this rich. Let's enjoy the Prozzal character for what it is, before this fantasy life and misanthropic boundless ego is constrained without a keyboard somewhere in a rubber room.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Golfinho]Since mid-July, I have been (and posted about on ISG) in Vilnius, Varsaw, Minsk, Tashkent, Riga, Caracas, Medellin, Cartagena, Bucaramanga, Rangoon, Bangkok, Dhaka, and now Rio..[/QUOTE]The weird habit to post on internet about places where you have never stepped a foot in is called mythomania. It's a mental disorder. You should consult. :)

[QUOTE=Prosal]The weird habit to post on internet about places where you have never stepped a foot in is called mythomania. It's a mental disorder. You should consult. :)[/QUOTE]Imagining that you alone are able to procure air passage and roll out of your chic Las Halles hellhole, petit ami, that is your very own special brand of mania.

Thank you for all the info on this site. Here is a nonmongering query. I will be traveling with a MacBook Pro used in the U.S. What kind of a plug will I need for it in Brazil. Will I need a transformer

[QUOTE=Vittu]Thank you for all the info on this site. Here is a nonmongering query. I will be traveling with a MacBook Pro used in the U.S. What kind of a plug will I need for it in Brazil. Will I need a transformer[/QUOTE]

The majority of places in Brazil use the same plug as the US. Hence you will not need anything. Rio & Sao Paulo mostly use 110v US plug.

Some other places in Brazil use 240v, but they usually have a 110v plug somewhere in the hotel/apartment.

Btw, Notebooks have an inbuilt AC adaptor connected to the power plug (the black box), hence you can use them pretty much anywhere in the build and they will adapt to whatever voltage is present, ie 110v upto 250v all works fine.

I have been looking around, but I can't find a list of massagems in Copacabana.

Could somebody please attach a link to a list I expect must be hidden here somewhere.

Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Wonderguy]I have been looking around, but I can't find a list of massagems in Copacabana.

Could somebody please attach a link to a list I expect must be hidden here somewhere.

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]
looked around...where?

[QUOTE=Vittu]Thank you for all the info on this site. Here is a nonmongering query. I will be traveling with a MacBook Pro used in the U.S. What kind of a plug will I need for it in Brazil. Will I need a transformer[/QUOTE]

Will be in Rio March 2-12th. Any chance you'll be there? Wouldn't mind meeting with a like minded monger.

MCruddy

[QUOTE=Wonderguy]I have been looking around, but I can't find a list of massagems in Copacabana.

Could somebody please attach a link to a list I expect must be hidden here somewhere.

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

There is no list for Copa. Search the Rio thread with keywords 'termas', 'club', 'clubbe', 'bar' or 'NS Copa' and you'll find plenty of venues to keep you entertained in the area. Massagems aren't the big thing in Copa. Copa is setup for guys who like to drink alot, pickup from bars, or get action in the back rooms of a bar.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]There is no list for Copa. Search the Rio thread with keywords 'termas', 'club', 'clubbe', 'bar' or 'NS Copa' and you'll find plenty of venues to keep you entertained in the area. Massagems aren't the big thing in Copa. Copa is setup for guys who like to drink alot, pickup from bars, or get action in the back rooms of a bar.[/QUOTE]

Try these: [url]http://www.amantesecia.com.br/[/url]
[url]http://www.copaterapias.com/v2.0/home.php[/url]
Copamassage [url]http://www.amantesecia.com.br/veragencia.php?agencia=250[/url]

On my recent trip to Rio I did a few pass by's of Ho beach and the talent was very light. Last time I remember that area having any crowds was 2004 or 2005. There seemed to be more touts than customers, one of the touts told me that more girls should be showing up in a half hour as they sleep late, it was already 2 PM. He wanted me to rent a chair and have a beer and wait for them.

A short video of the area: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWn6Jque0F4[/url]


I don't know how many of you have ever seen someone get rescued from drowning on Copacabana beach. It's quite an experience, what happens is the lifeguard on the beach spots the swimmer in trouble and instead of swimming out to rescue you they call a helicopter. The Helicopter hovers over the swimmer and a lifeguard jumps out of the helicopter into the water with the swimmer. The helicopter then drops a basket into the water and everybody gets into the basket and is moved to shore. I captured this on my cheap little camera but it has limited capabilities and from the distance and height it doesn't do it justice:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMUowqp2UrU[/url]

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]On my recent trip to Rio I did a few pass by's of Ho beach and the talent was very light. Last time I remember that area having any crowds was 2004 or 2005. There seemed to be more touts than customers, one of the touts told me that more girls should be showing up in a half hour as they sleep late, it was already 2 PM. He wanted me to rent a chair and have a beer and wait for them. [/QUOTE]I was wondering if they still had touts around there. If he expected you to believe the gdps would be out after 2:30 when the sun goes down at 5:00 then he should have tired to sell you some swamp land as well.
[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]I don't know how many of you have ever seen someone get rescued from drowning on Copacabana beach. It's quite an experience, what happens is the lifeguard on the beach spots the swimmer in trouble and instead of swimming out to rescue you they call a helicopter. The Helicopter hovers over the swimmer and a lifeguard jumps out of the helicopter into the water with the swimmer. The helicopter then drops a basket into the water and everybody gets into the basket and is moved to shore.[/QUOTE]There is a good reason for that. That water gets pretty damn rough and will not hesitate to pull you out to sea. I almost drowned in it myself a couple of years ago and I'm a first class swimmer and an advanced open water diver. Now whenever I see the signs up I don't go near it. It is no joke.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]...I don't know how many of you have ever seen someone get rescued from drowning on Copacabana beach. It's quite an experience, what happens is the lifeguard on the beach spots the swimmer in trouble and instead of swimming out to rescue you they call a helicopter. The Helicopter hovers over the swimmer and a lifeguard jumps out of the helicopter into the water with the swimmer. The helicopter then drops a basket into the water and everybody gets into the basket and is moved to shore. I captured this on my cheap little camera but it has limited capabilities and from the distance and height it doesn't do it justice...[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up. On one of my trips, I saw a helicopter flying over, but I could not determine what was going on.

-Helpmann :)

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]I was wondering if they still had touts around there. If he expected you to believe the gdps would be out after 2:30 when the sun goes down at 5:00 then he should have tired to sell you some swamp land as well.
There is a good reason for that. That water gets pretty damn rough and will not hesitate to pull you out to sea. I almost drowned in it myself a couple of years ago and I'm a first class swimmer and an advanced open water diver. Now whenever I see the signs up I don't go near it. It is no joke.[/QUOTE]

Who on earth swims on Copacabana beach?

Didn't you know that all sewage from Copa, Ipanema and Leblon goes straight to the ocean. No treatment at all.

Actually a few months ago a researcher, brazilian, said in TV that all waters around Rio de Janeiro are so polluted that if Brazil would follow international standards it would be prohibited to swim anywhere near Rio.

Well, good luck. I'd go to dermatologist.

[QUOTE=Perkele]Who on earth swims on Copacabana beach?

Didn't you know that all sewage from Copa, Ipanema and Leblon goes straight to the ocean. No treatment at all.

Actually a few months ago a researcher, brazilian, said in TV that all waters around Rio de Janeiro are so polluted that if Brazil would follow international standards it would be prohibited to swim anywhere near Rio.

Well, good luck. I'd go to dermatologist.[/QUOTE]Actually, a dermatologist will tell you the sand in Rio is more polluted than the water. and, who on earth is sits in the sand on Copacabana beach?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]I was wondering if they still had touts around there. [/QUOTE]


Yeah, some of the old touts from 10 years ago are still there. I haven’t sat there in almost 10 years and they still remember my name.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXy4SihluRw[/url]

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]A short video of the area: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWn6Jque0F4[/url][/QUOTE]
Nice videos.
What about ground zero? How does it goes with the construction of Museu da Imagem e do Som?

Any news about "the new Help" (Café del Mar)? Just a false alarm?

[QUOTE=Sperto]Any news about "the new Help" (Café del Mar)? Just a false alarm?[/QUOTE]Looks like a false alarm to me Sperto. I've been here for over a week and every time I've walked past it in the evenings (admitedly before 11 pm) it has been almost empty with a few well-dressed couples or groups. Certainly no single women dressed to advertise availability. The only action point on Alantica is Balcony.

[quote=golfinho]actually, a dermatologist will tell you the sand in rio is more polluted than the water. and, who on earth is sits in the sand on copacabana beach?[/quote]

it's true i read an article in o globo a few years back about how they tested the sand on the beach. it was filled with all sorts of bacteria mostly from dog [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113][CodeWord113][/url] and whatever the polluted waters brought up.

i have a friend who used to walk along the water and take photos; he developed an infection that he can't get rid of for years, very serious.

not only is it polluted but it has a dangerous undertow. i have told this to non mongers and they ask then why do you go? i don't tell this to people anymore.


[quote=sperto]nice videos.
what about ground zero? how does it goes with the construction of museu da imagem e do som?

any news about "the new help" (café del mar)? just a false alarm?[/quote]

i saw no activity going on at ground zero, looks like they just knocked help down and now have a big hole in the ground and nothing is going on.

i didn’t get a chance to check out café del mar but if it was supposed to be the new help than why was the girl telling me about it at dolce vita (you would think she would have been there). it’s probably just another place like balcony or dolce vita that the girls plan on visiting just to see if they can get a customer but not “the” replacement for help.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Not only is it polluted but it has a dangerous undertow. I have told this to non mongers and they ask then why do you go? I don't tell this to people anymore.

I saw no activity going on at ground zero, looks like they just knocked Help down and now have a big hole in the ground and nothing is going on.[/QUOTE]Haven't gone in the copa water since 2004 since seeing trash and refuse and a sneaker in the wave spume. Course, it's what you can't see that's really bad. The untertow nothing compared to Ipanema or Barra.

Behind the temp fence and what's left of the old back wall at the former-Help site, there is no 'hole in the ground', just a detritus-strewn and concrete rubbled lot. Let's get some graffito up on that fence: it's going to be there for a while.

What is it with these garotas?

One minute they're fucking your brains out and sucking every drop from your scrotum.

Next, in the post-coital cuddle period, they're asking you what church you go to and then telling you off when you say you don't believe in all that crap. Naturally they are evangelical happy-clappies.

Then, they're shoving it back up their ass and screaming at you to go faster and to destroy their cu.

I have had several girls on this trip in Rio, behave like this..

All I can say is PRAISE THE LORD!!

[QUOTE=Puta Playa]There is no list for Copa. Search the Rio thread with keywords 'termas', 'club', 'clubbe', 'bar' or 'NS Copa' and you'll find plenty of venues to keep you entertained in the area. Massagems aren't the big thing in Copa. Copa is setup for guys who like to drink alot, pickup from bars, or get action in the back rooms of a bar.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]Try these: [url]http://www.amantesecia.com.br/[/url]
[url]http://www.copaterapias.com/v2.0/home.php[/url]
Copamassage [url]http://www.amantesecia.com.br/veragencia.php?agencia=250[/url][/QUOTE]

Playa, Here's a new one. They advertise opening in Nov but they are not open yet and no date is given. Like most new establishments in Rio, nothing ever happens on schedule. [url]http://www.edenspario.com.br/[/url]

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]Playa, Here's a new one. They advertise opening in Nov but they are not open yet and no date is given. Like most new establishments in Rio, nothing ever happens on schedule. [url]http://www.edenspario.com.br/[/url][/QUOTE]

It is very close to where I am staying, I'm here until the end of November so if it is open before then I will have a look.

Slutlover posted a link in the Manaus section to Manaus taxi fare calculator.

The site works for all of Brazil. I've tested it on several cities and it's very accurate.
[url]http://www.tarifadetaxi.com[/url]

Thanks, Slutlover.

[QUOTE=Sperto]The site works for all of Brazil. I've tested it on several cities and it's very accurate.[/QUOTE]
I was playing around some more with the taxi fare calculator. I found one city that gave an interesting result.
Salvador, airport to Mercado Modelo, the correct fare is R$ 49 according to the site. In reality the taxis at the airport have their "fixed price" of R$ 90. Bargaining might give you a price of R$ 75.

This shows that bahianos are ladrões. :D

I shouldn't complain as last time I only payed R$ 40 when taking a taxi leaving passengers at the airport.

There is also a bus that charges about R$ 6. However it takes ages to arrive to your destination.

[QUOTE=Sperto]
This shows that bahianos are ladrões. :D
[/QUOTE]

When I arrived in Rio last month, I arrived early and didn't sleep much on the plane. I was tired and lazy so I went up to the taxi booths to see how much it would cost to go to Copa. All of them told me 90 reais. I was no longer lazy, I continued walking and all the guys waiting in the lobby quoted me similar prices, some went down to 80 reais.

I was prepared to go to the departure level to catch a taxi bringing someone in but I looked outside on the arrival level and noticed 6 yellow taxis waiting in a queue. I went to the first one and asked if he uses the meter and he said yes. He had a brand new taxi and he asked me which way do I want to arrive Copa via Botofago or Lagoa?

I had never been asked this question before, so I said lets take the quickest route and he went via Botafogo. The taxi fare was 42 reais.

The funny thing is on my way back to the airport the taxi driver asked me the same question, I gave him the same answer and he went via Lagoa.

Through the years of course I have gone both ways but during high traffic times I always thought one way could be better than the other but during no traffic times does it matter and which is less mileage, anybody know?

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]I was prepared to go to the departure level to catch a taxi bringing someone in but I looked outside on the arrival level and noticed 6 yellow taxis waiting in a queue. I went to the first one and asked if he uses the meter and he said yes. He had a brand new taxi and he asked me which way do I want to arrive Copa via Botofago or Lagoa?

I had never been asked this question before, so I said lets take the quickest route and he went via Botafogo. The taxi fare was 42 reais.

The funny thing is on my way back to the airport the taxi driver asked me the same question, I gave him the same answer and he went via Lagoa.

Through the years of course I have gone both ways but during high traffic times I always thought one way could be better than the other but during no traffic times does it matter and which is less mileage, anybody know?[/QUOTE]Taxi from copacabana posto 5 to airport via Lagoa/Reboucas this morning for a fare of 40 reales. In a 'normal' traffic situation. Can't help but think that all meters are not created equal.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]He had a brand new taxi and he asked me which way do I want to arrive Copa via Botofago or Lagoa?

I had never been asked this question before, so I said lets take the quickest route and he went via Botafogo. The taxi fare was 42 reais.

The funny thing is on my way back to the airport the taxi driver asked me the same question, I gave him the same answer and he went via Lagoa.

Through the years of course I have gone both ways but during high traffic times I always thought one way could be better than the other but during no traffic times does it matter and which is less mileage, anybody know?[/QUOTE]

If you are at the Isabel end of Copa, Botafogo is closer. If you're at the Ipanema end, Lagoa is closer. In the middle, it's either, but Botafogo is often quicker.

If it's rush hour you may get traffic jams approaching North Centro, either way, but traffic can grind to a long standstill around Lagoa at peak periods. Yet at night Lagoa's a very pretty view. Coming in to Copa from the airport, I always thrill to the sight of Sugar Loaf and Botafogo bay and the lovely long stretch of road that breathes Rio to me. That view is much better on the way in to Copa than when leaving. When leaving Copa, the lights over Lagoa leave beautiful fond memories and images in my mind and I like going that way to the airport (and it manages to miss the traffic of south Centro). The beautiful view of Lagoa sort of justifies the taxi over the price of the bus.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]If you are at the Isabel end of Copa, Botafogo is closer. If you're at the Ipanema end, Lagoa is closer. In the middle, it's either, but Botafogo is often quicker.

If it's rush hour you may get traffic jams approaching North Centro, either way, but traffic can grind to a long standstill around Lagoa at peak periods. Yet at night Lagoa's a very pretty view. Coming in to Copa from the airport, I always thrill to the sight of Sugar Loaf and Botafogo bay and the lovely long stretch of road that breathes Rio to me. That view is much better on the way in to Copa than when leaving. When leaving Copa, the lights over Lagoa leave beautiful fond memories and images in my mind and I like going that way to the airport (and it manages to miss the traffic of south Centro). The beautiful view of Lagoa sort of justifies the taxi over the price of the bus.[/QUOTE]You may thrill to the site of sugar loaf/bay (and feel the breath of Rio in a low tide stench) and carry your beautiful and fond lagoa light site memories, but you will no longer see the roadside favela panorama (or the goats) as barrier fencing now blocks out the view extending from airport. Getting ready for the show. (saw the same fencing strategy in Delhi recently during the Commonwealth Games). Leaving Copa for the airport, there's also the Fig. Malgahaes way out, but not all taxistas seem to favor this one.

[QUOTE=Torgoch]What is it with these garotas?

One minute they're fucking your brains out and sucking every drop from your scrotum.

Next, in the post-coital cuddle period, they're asking you what church you go to and then telling you off when you say you don't believe in all that crap. Naturally they are evangelical happy-clappies.

Then, they're shoving it back up their ass and screaming at you to go faster and to destroy their cu.

I have had several girls on this trip in Rio, behave like this..

All I can say is PRAISE THE LORD!![/QUOTE]


Just don't ask them to fuck on jesus birthday.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Through the years of course I have gone both ways but during high traffic times I always thought one way could be better than the other but during no traffic times does it matter and which is less mileage, anybody know?[/QUOTE]
Lagoa or not? Going by Lagoa is quicker if you stay south of Rua Santa Clara. That is, if there ain't a traffic jam at Lagoa.

Kice-Suco (Copa) to Galeão R$ 38. Exactly what I paid last time (plus a small tip).
[QUOTE=Golfinho]Can't help but think that all meters are not created equal.[/QUOTE]
I guess the meters should work equal.
I've seen scams (a long time ago), e.g the driver had the meater connected to a button on his gear stick. When he changed the gears he took the opportunity to press the button and the fare took a big jump.
It was very obvious what he was doing, but the situation solved itself.

Wherever I go in Brazil I have the habit of never entering a taxi before me and the driver agreed on a price. It works well as long as you know the correct fares.

[QUOTE=Sperto]Lagoa or not? Going by Lagoa is quicker if you stay south of Rua Santa Clara. That is, if there ain't a traffic jam at Lagoa.[/QUOTE]

This is the neighborhood I usually stay in. For the past 7 years I have either stayed on Rua Santa Clara or one block north Rua Figueiredo de Magalhaes. So looks like mid point so I can go either way.

This last trip I stayed on Figueiredo de Magalhaes as some of you know because you sent me PM's telling me you know the apto. This last trip reminded me of a poster who several years ago asked a question if one could stay in a girl friendly hotel and never leave it. Apparently he was concerned about safety. He figured he could eat in the hotel, drink in the hotel and have escorts delivered when needed.

Well I didn't do exactly this but this last trip I pretty much stayed on Rua Figueiredo de Magalhaes, had escorts delivered several times, I hung out at the Marriott pool and bar every day which is on the same street and went to the swing club 2A2 which is on Rua Figueiredo de Magalhaes. I think I went to Balcony 2 or 3 nights.

While it doesn't sound too exciting I had a great time, something very different than previous trips where I'm all over the place.


[QUOTE=Christopherd]Yet at night Lagoa's a very pretty view. When leaving Copa, the lights over Lagoa leave beautiful fond memories and images in my mind and I like going that way to the airport (and it manages to miss the traffic of south Centro). The beautiful view of Lagoa sort of justifies the taxi over the price of the bus.[/QUOTE]

Yes you're right, I also like passing through Lagoa during Christmas time to see the floating Xmas tree in the Lagoa.

It's about the only time I see Lagoa recently is going to or from the airport. Years ago I used to go to Chikos bar and Mistura Fina in Lagoa all the time but both places are gone now. Gotta find some new places in Lagoa, it's a nice area. I think there is a Nuth there now, maybe I'll check it out next trip.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman]Anyone able to recommend a cleaning service to do a one-time clean, top to bottom, of an apartment prior to move-in of a tenant?

I need a service to literally scrub the floors, walls, etc. of an apartment in Copa prior to the tenant taking possession.

Not a job for a day-maid as it requires thoroughly cleaning several rooms, bathrooms, walls, etc.

Anyone know a good service that would do this even for a higher price?

Thx.
Cartman[/QUOTE]

I might try a maid of mine.

Know also a few girls that can do it. There used to be one who used to do a deal cleaning apartment and cleaning your pipes. But she is gone ........

Now please don't be cheapskates. I had people being pissed that the maid charged R$ 5 more for a one time job, then she would charge me on a yearly basis twice a week. Be reasonable or a bit generous.

Otherwise, I am sure most rental services have their own cleaners.

PM me with all contact info.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Gotta find some new places in Lagoa, it's a nice area.[/QUOTE] There's a beautiful unpretentious theatre next to the race track. But I recommend Catacumba Park for a very pleasant stroll with (or without) a garota . . . interesting statues and history on the gentle walk to the summit - which then gives stunning views - usually not very busy so can be quite romantic. Plus a lot of girls have never been there so it's nice to surprise and pleasantly impress. There's also the Botanics (good day out - more impressive than the average botanic gardens) and that photogenic little park - whose name escapes me for a moment - built by an architect as his own retreat under the gaze of Corcovado - great for photography, painting, relaxation, picnics and a coffee away from the bustle; but these two places are more of a problem to get to, being on the north side of Lagoa (main road gets full of fumes and it is so posh your paid-for partner will stand out like a sore thumb). Catacumba however is almost walking distance if you follow the lake anti-clockwise from Copa.

[QUOTE=Sperto]Slutlover posted a link in the Manaus section to Manaus taxi fare calculator.

The site works for all of Brazil. I've tested it on several cities and it's very accurate.
[url]http://www.tarifadetaxi.com[/url]

Thanks, Slutlover.[/QUOTE]

Another excellent tool, I just tested it myself and works perfectly. My friend down there says the rate is accurate.

I am looking for sport stores in Rio to buy my futebol jerseys. I used to buy them at the beach, but not paying those prices for fakes anymore. Does anyone know where this sell the camisas Selecao with the sponsors on it? I have been hunting online for sports stores in Copa and coming up empty. I am willing to travel to get my jerseys.

[QUOTE=Bootytapper]I am looking for sport stores in Rio to buy my futebol jerseys. I used to buy them at the beach, but not paying those prices for fakes anymore. Does anyone know where this sell the camisas Selecao with the sponsors on it? I have been hunting online for sports stores in Copa and coming up empty. I am willing to travel to get my jerseys.[/QUOTE]

The market on top of Urguaiana metro station centro has tons of that type of stuff. They are fake, not the real ones of course. Dirt cheap as well. When the Police do a sweep they disappear for a day or 2, but get restocked quite quickly.

[QUOTE=Bootytapper]I am looking for sport stores in Rio to buy my futebol jerseys. I used to buy them at the beach, but not paying those prices for fakes anymore. Does anyone know where this sell the camisas Selecao with the sponsors on it? I have been hunting online for sports stores in Copa and coming up empty. I am willing to travel to get my jerseys.[/QUOTE]
I buy them for friends in the US at Rio Sul mall.

[QUOTE=Bootytapper]I am looking for sport stores in Rio to buy my futebol jerseys. I used to buy them at the beach, but not paying those prices for fakes anymore. Does anyone know where this sell the camisas Selecao with the sponsors on it? I have been hunting online for sports stores in Copa and coming up empty. I am willing to travel to get my jerseys.[/QUOTE]

Butique da Gallera - Ave N. Sra de Copacabana 245A
Official licensed shirts for Flamengo, Fluminense, Botofogo, Vasco, America, and Brasil.
It's between rua Rodolfo Dantas and rua Duvivier on Ave NS de Copacabana, two blocks from Balcony Bar.

[QUOTE=Bootytapper]I am looking for sport stores in Rio to buy my futebol jerseys. I used to buy them at the beach, but not paying those prices for fakes anymore. Does anyone know where this sell the camisas Selecao with the sponsors on it? I have been hunting online for sports stores in Copa and coming up empty. I am willing to travel to get my jerseys.[/QUOTE]


Thanks for the info guys, will definitely check them out.

Much more Dengue fever is expected this season than last. Article (in Portuguese, by the Ministry of Health) detailing the levels of Aedes agypti infestation in various major Brazilian cities (Aedes agypti carries the disease):

[url]http://portal.saude.gov.br/portal/aplicacoes/noticias/default.cfm?pg=dspDetalheNoticia&id_area=124&CO_NOTICIA=11951[/url]

Interesting that Manaus is one of the least infested places. As for state capitals, there are alerts in Porto Velho and Rio Branco.

I was in Rio for Christmas once. Everybody swore things would be shut down, but by the afternoon Mabs and Meia Pataca had opened and people were all over the beach. So Copa is a bit slower but still there are women out and about.

Does anybody know about the centro casas? This question was asked last year, but I cannot seem to locate the answer?

I think the answer was they are closed Christmas Day and the weekend, otherwise during the week it is business as usual in centro.

SS

[QUOTE=Sunset Strip; 1101575]I was in Rio for Christmas once. Everybody swore things would be shut down, but by the afternoon Mabs and Meia Pataca had opened and people were all over the beach. So Copa is a bit slower but still there are women out and about.

Does anybody know about the centro casas? This question was asked last year, but I cannot seem to locate the answer?

I think the answer was they are closed Christmas Day and the weekend, otherwise during the week it is business as usual in centro.

SS[/QUOTE]If the weather is good there will be a lot of people on the beach, in the restaurants and the bars.

Hopefully no GP is working on Christmas Eve. I espect they will be their with family, friends or in the church, and not in the street or in a bar selling their p*$$$.

Christmas holiday means a lot to Brazil, beign the largest catholic country in the world. Unless you spend it with some brazilian friends I guess it will be quite boring.

In case you missed it this weekend:

[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7143554n&tag=contentMain[/url]; cbsCarousel

I think a TIM number used to be inactivated after three or six months if there was no recharging of the credits. Now I heard that there is a new rule that says the operator isn't allow to inactivate the number. Can somebody confirm how it really works?

[QUOTE=Sperto;1104214]I think a TIM number used to be inactivated after three or six months if there was no recharging of the credits. Now I heard that there is a new rule that says the operator isn't allow to inactivate the number. Can somebody confirm how it really works?[/QUOTE]I don't think they used to deactivate the number at all. Basically they used to wipe the credits after about 3 months, hence the number appeared dead, however when you added credits everything just came back alive again and worked just fine. I know people that visit Rio like 2 x a year and have had the same number for like 5 years.

Anybody managed to buy domestic GOL tickets online paying with a foreign VISA card?

It worked well one year ago but now it seems impossible.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1104482]Anybody managed to buy domestic GOL tickets online paying with a foreign VISA card?

It worked well one year ago but now it seems impossible. [/QUOTE]I can't even get my Brazilian Visa to work on GOL. Their payment processing is very very ordinary which really sucks because if you need to buy the ticket from a travel agent they charge you 10% more.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1104537]I can't even get my Brazilian Visa to work on GOL. Their payment processing is very very ordinary which really sucks because if you need to buy the ticket from a travel agent they charge you 10% more.[/QUOTE]Some things just don't work in Brazil. GOL's online help sucks. The people that attend calls at their service center in São Paulo are no Einstein's.

Mongers-

I am always able to buy tickets on GOL on their website using my SPG American Express, which is issued directly by Amex. The key is to select "other countries" on the top right corner of the GOL website where there is a drop down menu that lists Brasil along with several other South American countries and ultimately a "other countries" option. Using the international version of the GOL website, you will have no problem processing the payment using an AMEX, even if you are buying the ticket in someone's else's name (as I frequently do for GF). There is an option to pay using "verified by visa" and / or "mastercard secure" but these payment options go through a third party payment processing system and are not directly processed by GOL (Amex is).

Sorte,

Rock Harders

[QUOTE=Rock Harders; 1104592]Mongers-

I am always able to buy tickets on GOL on their website using my SPG American Express, which is issued directly by Amex. The key is to select "other countries" on the top right corner of the GOL website where there is a drop down menu that lists Brasil along with several other South American countries and ultimately a "other countries" option. Using the international version of the GOL website, you will have no problem processing the payment using an AMEX. [/QUOTE]With American Express it works fine, but not with foreign Visa or Mastercard.

An option is to get GOL to keep the ticket on Hold until you arrive in Brazil.

Hopefully the info about tickets can be useful to others as well.

TAM doesn't accept foreign cards on their brazilian website. They do accept it on their international websites. Unfortunately the prices becomes about 25% higher on their international websites.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1104623]Hopefully the info about tickets can be useful to others as well.

TAM doesn't accept foreign cards on their brazilian website. They do accept it on their international websites. Unfortunately the prices becomes about 25% higher on their international websites. [/QUOTE]Can you use this one?

[url]http://www.clickandfly.com/[/url]

Usually prices are cheaper than Tam or any other airline website.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1104634]Can you use this one?

[url]http://www.clickandfly.com/[/url]

Usually prices are cheaper than Tam or any other airline website. [/QUOTE]Thanks, Bob.

The prices are about the same as on TAM's international websites.

I know you can buy Viagra in Brazil. Can you also buy drugs such as Vicodin or Ritalin over the counter in Brazil?

I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but the search function didn't come up with anything.

[QUOTE=Liveheree; 1104699]I know you can buy Viagra in Brazil. Can you also buy drugs such as Vicodin or Ritalin over the counter in Brazil?

I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but the search function didn't come up with anything. [/QUOTE]Non controlled drugs can be easily bought over the counter in Brazil. On the other hand controlled substances are not that easy to obtain, it depends upon the pharmacist.

You need to go in and ask the pharmacist directly and discretely. If you pick your pharmacies randomly then expect a lot of no's and best to know what you're asking for if you don't know any Portuguese.

You may want to try sticking close to the beach around ground zero.

These days it's best to buy such items on the internet and have them delivered to your house.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon;1105477]You may want to try sticking close to the beach around ground zero.[/QUOTE]What exactly do you mean by "ground zero?" Are you talking about ho beach across from the Othon? (Sorry, but I guess I'm not one of the cognoscenti.)

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1105477]Non controlled drugs can be easily bought over the counter in Brazil. On the other hand controlled substances are not that easy to obtain, it depends upon the pharmacist.

You need to go in and ask the pharmacist directly and discretely. If you pick your pharmacies randomly then expect a lot of no's and best to know what you're asking for if you don't know any Portuguese.

You may want to try sticking close to the beach around ground zero.

These days it's best to buy such items on the internet and have them delivered to your house. [/QUOTE]For the most part, I agree with SB. Personally, I have only had success at pharmacies in Zona Norte for Rx needed drugs, and it did take someone that knew someone to get it through.

I'm not a big fan of generic V and C. However, like SB stated, it is more efficient and productive to order generics online.

[QUOTE=Lorenzo;1105543]What exactly do you mean by "ground zero?" Are you talking about ho beach across from the Othon? (Sorry, but I guess I'm not one of the cognoscenti.)[/QUOTE]Through the years many posters on this site and many others referred to Help as ground zero. So yes I am referring to the general neighborhood you mention, it is just a hint.

Everytime I pass the travel agencies in the mall, I notice that they have flyers up for cruises. 3,5 and 7 day cruises! Anyone ever taken one of these cruises? HOw much did they cost? Was it worth it?

I went on one here in the states, a 4 days cruise from Miami to the bahamas. The cruise was nice but I wouldn't do it again. Hardly any sexy attractive single women! Either they were all old and fat or the young sexy ones were there on their honeymoon. I have a couple of girl sthat I might like to take with me on a 4 day cruise. Plus I have the feeling that brasilians know how to party and I would see some serious eye candy on the ship.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1104609]With American Express it works fine, but not with foreign Visa or Mastercard.

An option is to get GOL to keep the ticket on Hold until you arrive in Brazil. [/QUOTE]I doubt they hold it until you arrive in Brazil.

I used to buy tickets with international Mastercards.

But credit cards are a problem here, so I finally got myself a gol card, just for the convenience. That one you probably cannot get.

I could buy cards for people, if they sent me the money via paypal. On the other hand, I am really not in the travel agency business, so I usually do this only for girls, best friends, etc.

Gents,

Having already mongered in Rio and Sao Paulo with great experiences, I was wondering what other (3) cities the more experienced folks on this board would recommend in Brazil for mongering. I have run into some great girls from Bahia while in Rio, so that was a place I was thinking about but, I don't know.

Also, can someone break down the characteristics of women from the major cities (regions) of Brazil-I. E. Well educated / less educated, upper / lower class, light / morena / dark skin, indigenous facial features, wide / narrow hips, big / petite asses, large / small breasts, surgically / hormone enhanced, majority male / female, blonde / brunette, high / low income, large / low number of GDPs, etc.

Thanks,

Rodeo

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist; 1105788]I doubt they hold it until you arrive in Brazil.

I used to buy tickets with international Mastercards.

But credit cards are a problem here, so I finally got myself a gol card, just for the convenience. That one you probably cannot get.

I could buy cards for people, if they sent me the money via paypal. On the other hand, I am really not in the travel agency business, so I usually do this only for girls, best friends, etc. [/QUOTE]I don't want a GOL card, no need for that. BTW an Amex would work just as well, but I don't want that neither.

An option would be to ask one of my friends with a brazilian credit card or a Gf to buy the ticktes, but I've already solved it so GOL will hold the tickets until I arrive in Brazil (without you doubting it or not).

What annoys me is that it supposed to work just fine paying online with a foreign VISA card, but it's not working in reality. It's not really such a big surprise.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112; 1105800]Gents,

Having already mongered in Rio and Sao Paulo with great experiences, I was wondering what other (3) cities the more experienced folks on this board would recommend in Brazil for mongering. I have run into some great girls from Bahia while in Rio, so that was a place I was thinking about but, I don't know.

Also, can someone break down the characteristics of women from the major cities (regions) of Brazil-I. E. Well educated / less educated, upper / lower class, light / morena / dark skin, indigenous facial features, wide / narrow hips, big / petite asses, large / small breasts, surgically / hormone enhanced, majority male / female, blonde / brunette, high / low income, large / low number of GDPs, etc.

Thanks,

Rodeo[/QUOTE]The only cities I have mongered in besides Rio are Salvador and Curitiba; I had good experiences in both. Salvador is a majority black city, so the GDPs follow suit. Most are black or morena. The two girls I had were earthy and passionate, did everything I wanted. In Curitiba, on the other hand, most of the girls are of European descent, so you will find many who are fair-skinned and blonde, but also some morenas as well. I also had two girls there; service was adequate but not as enthusiastic as you would find in Rio or points north. Suggestion: if you call an escort service in Curitiba, make sure you specify exactly what services you expect. I actually got a girl there who wouldn't kiss-the only time this has ever happened to me in Brazil!

As for the rest of the information you are seeking, good luck. I doubt that most posters on this forum go into a mongering session looking for the type of information that pollsters or census-takers seek. They are there to fuck.

[QUOTE=Bravo; 1105769]Everytime I pass the travel agencies in the mall, I notice that they have flyers up for cruises. 3,5 and 7 day cruises! Anyone ever taken one of these cruises? HOw much did they cost? Was it worth it?

I went on one here in the states, a 4 days cruise from Miami to the bahamas. The cruise was nice but I wouldn't do it again. Hardly any sexy attractive single women! Either they were all old and fat or the young sexy ones were there on their honeymoon. I have a couple of girl sthat I might like to take with me on a 4 day cruise. Plus I have the feeling that brasilians know how to party and I would see some serious eye candy on the ship. [/QUOTE]Me and 9 wingmen just did the 3 day Miami Bahamas at the beginning of the month. Even though I did manage to fuck a 57 year old Italian American from Vegas who was actually on the cruise to meet up with a guy she met the month before off match.com, and got the contact of 3 more chicks, only 1 that I have been keeping in regular contact with, what you said was spot on. Except I would like to add one thing. The ones that were hot and sexy were on their honeymoon with their WIVES. One wingman sat down at breakfast with two chicks and started talking and they asked him to please leave because he was ruining their honeymoon. We are going to do it again next year but like you said bring our own chicks.

As far as the ones out of Rio a doctor friend of mine who lives in Niteroi took one. She said they went up the coast as far as Bahia. It was a 3 day one as well and I think she said it was about 400 reais and beer and wine were free. She was ecstatic about it and said she had a very nice time.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;1105800]Also, can someone break down the characteristics of women from the major cities (regions) of Brazil-I. E. Well educated / less educated, upper / lower class, light / morena / dark skin, indigenous facial features, wide / narrow hips, big / petite asses, large / small breasts, surgically / hormone enhanced, majority male / female, blonde / brunette, high / low income, large / low number of GDPs, etc.[/QUOTE]I heard about a lost village in the Amazon jungle where ALL the indigenous women are highly educated upperclass girls with huge natural tits, petite asses, brown skin and they are dirty rich.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1105922]I heard about a lost village in the Amazon jungle where ALL the indigenous women are highly educated upperclass girls with huge natural tits, petite asses, brown skin and they are dirty rich.[/QUOTE]Where can I find picture.

[QUOTE=Gullipoju;1105999]Where can I find picture.[/QUOTE]Here you go.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?875-Sierra-Leone&p=703276&viewfull=1#post703276[/url]

I did the one cruise and that was enough for me. My cousin tried to warn me before I went on the cruise, he said "Good looking women do not spend their own money to go on vacations! They get guys to take them on vacation, so don't expect to see any hot, single women on the cruise!" He was 100% correct! I was bored to tears and wished I had spent my 2 grand on tickets to Rio!

I am really interested to see if any members have gone on a cruise out of Rio. I know we have a number of members who live in brasil. I think it will be best to bring someone with me, rather than hope I hook up with something on the boat. I was tring to see if the cruise was worth it, or would i be better off spending my money on a weekend in buzios?

[QUOTE=Bravo; 1106085]I did the one cruise and that was enough for me. My cousin tried to warn me before I went on the cruise, he said "Good looking women do not spend their own money to go on vacations! They get guys to take them on vacation, so don't expect to see any hot, single women on the cruise!" He was 100% correct! I was bored to tears and wished I had spent my 2 grand on tickets to Rio!

I am really interested to see if any members have gone on a cruise out of Rio. I know we have a number of members who live in brasil. I think it will be best to bring someone with me, rather than hope I hook up with something on the boat. I was tring to see if the cruise was worth it, or would I be better off spending my money on a weekend in buzios? [/QUOTE]

Just for future reference, from what I understand, there will be Cruise ships along the shore of Rio De Janeiro during the Olympics that will be used as Hotels. Chances are there will be single brazilian women as well as from other countries staying on board.

Thanks for the knowledge dump Lorenzo. Your info was great! However, I wouldn't write off the level of knowledge some mongers have on the region and are willing to contribute. As I began my mongering in Colombia, I found a great thread on that board that described accurately (as I would discover in my own Master's thesis research later) the factors that feed into the different peoples in different regions of Colombia. Lots of background info was provided on history (both indigenous and Spanish) and mixing of the races as well as percieved / real elitism as well the vast inequality between the rich and the poor that plays into the whole P4P market. I'm sure there are a few experts out there. Hopefully they'll pipe up and educate the rest of us.
Thanks again for your response though.

Rodeo

[QUOTE=Lorenzo; 1105892]The only cities I have mongered in besides Rio are Salvador and Curitiba; I had good experiences in both. Salvador is a majority black city, so the GDPs follow suit. Most are black or morena. The two girls I had were earthy and passionate, did everything I wanted. In Curitiba, on the other hand, most of the girls are of European descent, so you will find many who are fair-skinned and blonde, but also some morenas as well. I also had two girls there; service was adequate but not as enthusiastic as you would find in Rio or points north. Suggestion: if you call an escort service in Curitiba, make sure you specify exactly what services you expect. I actually got a girl there who wouldn't kiss-the only time this has ever happened to me in Brazil!

As for the rest of the information you are seeking, good luck. I doubt that most posters on this forum go into a mongering session looking for the type of information that pollsters or census-takers seek. They are there to fuck. [/QUOTE]

Hi Sperto. I think your jocke was a little bit mean:

Quote Originally Posted by Gullipoju View Post.

Where can I find picture.

Here you go.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...l=1#post703276[/url]

Carlos

[QUOTE=Sperto;1105801]... I've already solved it so GOL will hold the tickets until I arrive in Brazil... [/QUOTE]Regarding payment of domestic GOL tickets bought online. I want to correct myself. GOL not only extends the reservation until the arrival day in Brazil, they extend it even more, they extend it until the day you're taking the flight. Excellent service!

Their service center for international calls lies in Montevideo, Uruguay. They speak Spanish, lousy English and no Portuguese. When you call them it's a lottery, you can get one of the good helpful attendants who solves your problem quickly or you can get one the attendants with absolutely no trace of brain activity who will make you loose tour temper and risking you breaking your phone.

[quote=bubba boy;1104225]i don't think they used to deactivate the number at all. basically they used to wipe the credits after about 3 months, hence the number appeared dead, however when you added credits everything just came back alive again and worked just fine. i know people that visit rio like 2 x a year and have had the same number for like 5 years.[/quote]i had a tim number that wasn't used in 9 months. last week i tried to activate it. didn't work, it was to late.

no worries, a new pre-pago tim chip only cost r$ 10. btw, tim's offer, calling other tim phones paying only 25 centavos / call is a really good deal.

p. s make sure to call tim and have them cancel the manchete tor****s that you will receive automatically. otherwise you'll loose a lot of your credits.

[quote=sperto; 1108928]i had a tim number that wasn't used in 9 months. last week i tried to activate it. didn't work, it was to late.

no worries, a new pre-pago tim chip only cost r$ 10. btw, tim's offer, calling other tim phones paying only 25 centavos / call is a really good deal.

p. s make sure to call tim and have them cancel the manchete tor****s that you will receive automatically. otherwise you'll loose a lot of your credits. [/quote]the rule was that, if not recharged, for the 4th month you could only receive calls and for the 5th only make emergency calls. thereafter the number was cancelled.

don't know if they changed it recently.

happy new year.

I never had a problem using an AMEX card.

There is also a chat on line option, also in English, that will solve all your questions. Depending on the time of the day there must be some waiting which is small if you choose the English language as I recall.

[QUOTE=El Greco; 1108946]I never had a problem using an AMEX card.

There is also a chat on line option, also in English, that will solve all your questions. Depending on the time of the day there must be some waiting which is small if you choose the English language as I recall. [/QUOTE]Yes, Amex works just fine. The problem is when paying online with foreign VISA.

GOL online help can't really help solving payment problems. You have to call the GOL international number.

As mentioned GOL put my reservations on hold until I arrived in Brazil. Worked excellent.

Just ignore this post if you know this already, but if you live in North America and are a member of Aadvantage, American Airlines frequent flyer program, you may be interested to know that in the off-peak season, which they define as March 1-May 31 and August 16-November 30, you can get a round trip award ticket to Brazil and other southern South America countries for 40, 000 miles if you are willing to fly in economy class. This is the best deal I am aware of, and I don't know how long it will last. Most other airlines require 60, 000 miles. And seats at the 40, 000 mile level aren't that hard to get; I've already booked my seat for late March-early April (although I've decided to go to BA rather than Rio, due to the high cost of just about everything in Rio. I doubt if I'll be back to Rio unless the real plummets again. BA today is like Rio was in 2002. But I digress.)

Here's a link to AA's award chart, if you're interested: [url]http://www.aa.com/i18n/disclaimers/free-ticket-award-chart.jsp[/url]

[QUOTE=Lorenzo; 1111531]Just ignore this post if you know this already, but if you live in North America and are a member of Aadvantage, American Airlines frequent flyer program, you may be interested to know that in the off-peak season, which they define as March 1-May 31 and August 16-November 30, you can get a round trip award ticket to Brazil and other southern South America countries for 40, 000 miles if you are willing to fly in economy class. This is the best deal I am aware of, and I don't know how long it will last. Most other airlines require 60, 000 miles. And seats at the 40, 000 mile level aren't that hard to get; I've already booked my seat for late March-early April (although I've decided to go to BA rather than Rio, due to the high cost of just about everything in Rio. I doubt if I'll be back to Rio unless the real plummets again. BA today is like Rio was in 2002. But I digress.)

Here's a link to AA's award chart, if you're interested:

[url]http://www.aa.com/i18n/disclaimers/free-ticket-award-chart.jsp[/url]

[/QUOTE]Thank you for this valuable information, this is good news. Very recently American Airlines has become my favorite to Rio airline since they started their new flight from NY JFK to Rio direct non-stop. It used to be Continental when they had their Rio flight that left Newark at 10 PM and went thru Sao Paulo but that more or less has stopped and now you have to go thru Houston and leave much earlier during the day like 3:30 PM, so a day is wasted.

American's flight leaves at 9:25 PM so nothing is wasted and arrives Rio at 8:30 am next day.

I was on the American website about the same time as you but looking for an upgrade rather than purchasing a ticket and it was rather easy to get.

Too bad you're not stopping in Rio on that trip I would have bought you a beer.

I understand why you're not because it is expensive but BA has no beach so I wouldn't know what to do during the day. I would like to learn the Tango though and I have too much invested in time and money learning Portuguese as bad as it is.

So for now I'll stick to Rio and cut down on other things. Like staying in an apartment instead of hotels, like eating in more modest restaurants instead of the high end restaurants every night, like drinking more at home instead of in a Termas or bar/nightclub.

There are ways to cut your costs, I haven't really ventured out into the cheap casas in Centro yet or VM but I can still afford a 200 reais girl from Balcony or from Hotside daily.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1112106]Too bad you're not stopping in Rio on that trip I would have bought you a beer.

I understand why you're not because it is expensive but BA has no beach so I wouldn't know what to do during the day. I would like to learn the Tango though and I have too much invested in time and money learning Portuguese as bad as it is. [/QUOTE]I may be back to Rio, so I'll take a rain check on the beer.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone to switch from Rio to BA, just stating what I'm doing. What I do during the day is monger. The best places to go in BA are private apartments, which are open round the clock. So I fuck some girls during the day, then try to get some of them to moonlight with me at night, after they get off of course. That is a lot more difficult than in Rio, but I have had some success.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1108928]I had a TIM number that wasn't used in 9 months. Last week I tried to activate it. Didn't work, it was to late.

No worries, a new pre-pago TIM chip only cost R$ 10. BTW, TIM's offer, calling other TIM phones paying only 25 centavos / call is a really good deal. [/QUOTE]I have had Claro in Rio for years. Last month I bought a TIM from the news stand in Sao Paulo for R$10 as you have said. Of course you need a CPF to activate it and mine has been expired for a couple of years. I went to the TIM store and the guy said all I could do was get a friend who has a CPF to activate it for me. I was going to get my SP namorada to do it for me but with so much fucking and so little time that went out the window. Of course another option is to apply for another CPF but that takes too damn long. Is there any other loophole someone may know?

Wanted to add to posts made by SB and Lorenzo. AA is definitely pushing routes to JFK. I have found $800RT from LAX to GIG (via JFK).

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1112290]I have had Claro in Rio for years. Last month I bought a TIM from the news stand in Sao Paulo for R$10 as you have said. Of course you need a CPF to activate it and mine has been expired for a couple of years. I went to the TIM store and the guy said all I could do was get a friend who has a CPF to activate it for me. I was going to get my SP namorada to do it for me but with so much fucking and so little time that went out the window. Of course another option is to apply for another CPF but that takes too damn long. Is there any other loophole someone may know?[/QUOTE]Yep, I offered the girl working at the news stand 10R to activate my SIM card for me, and she gladly did it.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1112290]I have had Claro in Rio for years. Last month I bought a TIM from the news stand in Sao Paulo for R$10 as you have said. Of course you need a CPF to activate it and mine has been expired for a couple of years. I went to the TIM store and the guy said all I could do was get a friend who has a CPF to activate it for me. I was going to get my SP namorada to do it for me but with so much fucking and so little time that went out the window. Of course another option is to apply for another CPF but that takes too damn long. Is there any other loophole someone may know?[/QUOTE]I purchased a new phone and sim in a TIM store in Centro, and they activated it with my passport.

For those of you traveling within Brazil (and beyond) this site will give you cost comparisons on TAM, GOL, Webjet and Azul.

[url]http://www.mundi.com.br/[/url]

It also has other travel planning features like listings for hotels and pousadas.

I plan to travel for about 10 weeks all over south America. The focus of the trip is, of course mongering, but at the same time I want to experience the local culture and traditions. Needless to say, if I am mongering all the time I will quickly get tired of the scene. Moreover, I don't have funds to constantly participate in the hobby everyday for 10 weeks.

I really liked the Thailand experience before. There are plethora of opportunities to have fun with the girls. But after that you can participate in other kinds of activities. Normal massages, frolic around the beach etc etc. Moreover, if you get the girl for long time (LT) , she hangs out with you and you can do other "non-hobby" related stuff.

I want to do similar things when I travel all over south America. Of course, Brazil (Rio) is a given. I believe Buenos Aires is another such place. What are some of the other places I MUST visit for such an experience. Any beach towns? It would be great to experience the beaches and also hang out with some pretty girls. Also my Spanish language skills are minimal.

I really appreciate your advice in this regard.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Tempp; 1116779]I plan to travel for about 10 weeks all over south America. The focus of the trip is, of course mongering, but at the same time I want to experience the local culture and traditions. Needless to say, if I am mongering all the time I will quickly get tired of the scene. Moreover, I don't have funds to constantly participate in the hobby everyday for 10 weeks.

I really liked the Thailand experience before. There are plethora of opportunities to have fun with the girls. But after that you can participate in other kinds of activities. Normal massages, frolic around the beach etc etc. Moreover, if you get the girl for long time (LT) , she hangs out with you and you can do other "non-hobby" related stuff.

I want to do similar things when I travel all over south America. Of course, Brazil (Rio) is a given. I believe Buenos Aires is another such place. What are some of the other places I MUST visit for such an experience. Any beach towns? It would be great to experience the beaches and also hang out with some pretty girls. Also my Spanish language skills are minimal.

I really appreciate your advice in this regard.

Thanks[/QUOTE]You are doing exactly what I did in 2006, except that my trip was 60 days, the limit of my airpass. I visited all 10 Latin countries in South America (I visited the other 3, Guyana, Suriname, and French Guiana 2 years later). On my 2006 trip I also visited the Galapagos Islands and Easter Island, so it wasn't exclusively a mongering trip. However, I mongered whenever I could. I posted a report everywhere I mongered, so if you want to take the trouble you can look for my reports at that time.

Please bear in mind that what I am about to say is over 4 years old, but I imagine very little has changed except prices. You are right that Rio and BA are essentials and should not be missed. There is plenty of pussy in Colombia, but if your time is limited I suggest focusing on Cartagena. Quito was a pleasant surprise. I went to what was supposedly the most upscale brothel in the city and it was only US$20 per half hour. An even more pleasant surprise was Paraguay (yes, Paraguay!). I went to a brothel in Asucion which had a bevy of gorgeous, and somewhat innocent, girls and the tariff was only US$20 for a full hour. Chile sucks for mongering, but you should be able to find something in Santiago. I didn't monger in Peru because I was sick, but I think Lima should rock. Bolivia has ultra cheap pussy, but the girls are all skanks, unless you go for the fugly Indian looking types. I had a good experience in Montevideo as well. In Caracas I used an escort service and had a good experience; Caracas is a very dangerous city.

The thing to watch out for is gringo pricing. Some of the brothels, especially in Uruguay, will quote a much hgher price for gringos. If you can, best have a local call and get a price, then when you get there you can tell them that this is the price you were quoted over the phone (unless your Spanish is good enough to pass as a native speaker).

Have a graet trip and be sure to post reports of all your experiences. Feel free to PM me if you want more detailed information.

Lorenzo

[QUOTE=Tempp;1116779]I really liked the Thailand experience before. There are plethora of opportunities to have fun with the girls. But after that you can participate in other kinds of activities. Normal massages, frolic around the beach etc etc. Moreover, if you get the girl for long time (LT) , she hangs out with you and you can do other "non-hobby" related stuff.[/QUOTE]That is a problem in South America. TDLN is available but not as chap as in Asia.

Lorenzo, thanks a lot for the information. I will certainly PM you for more information.

My ideal mongering is something like this. I want to hit a night-club which is totally hopping with great music and drinks. This night club should have semi-pros, pros and FL. And tonnes of them. I should just be able to look around soak the scene, feel horny and enjoy. I would hit on a few of them and which ever suits my fancy I would take back to my room. This way my adventure lasts the whole night and then I can cap it with a good night fuck. If the girl stays back then it will one more good fuck in the morning before I send her off.

I get cannot get such an experience in a brothel where it is more of a wham bham thank you madam.

What places in South or Central america offer such an experience. In which case I will make sure to spend a week (including a weekend).

Again I really appreciate your input. I will be sure to post my experiences.

[QUOTE=Tempp; 1117131]Lorenzo, thanks a lot for the information. I will certainly PM you for more information.

My ideal mongering is something like this. I want to hit a night-club which is totally hopping with great music and drinks. This night club should have semi-pros, pros and FL. And tonnes of them. I should just be able to look around soak the scene, feel horny and enjoy. I would hit on a few of them and which ever suits my fancy I would take back to my room. This way my adventure lasts the whole night and then I can cap it with a good night fuck. If the girl stays back then it will one more good fuck in the morning before I send her off.

I get cannot get such an experience in a brothel where it is more of a wham bham thank you madam.

What places in South or Central america offer such an experience. In which case I will make sure to spend a week (including a weekend).

Again I really appreciate your input. I will be sure to post my experiences. [/QUOTE]I really can't help you there, because on my trip I limited myself to brothels and escort services, primarily because of time constraints. But there are plenty of places such as you describe in Rio and BA; just peruse the forum, and Argentina Private as well, a separate forum for Argentina. There are probably such bars everywhere in SA; you just have to do your homework. ISG and AP are invaluable for planning a mongering trip. I had very little work to do for myself, thanks to the pioneers who went before me.

[QUOTE=Tempp;1117131]My ideal mongering is something like this. I want to hit a night-club which is totally hopping with great music and drinks. This night club should have semi-pros, pros and FL. And tonnes of them. I should just be able to look around soak the scene, feel horny and enjoy. I would hit on a few of them and which ever suits my fancy I would take back to my room. This way my adventure lasts the whole night and then I can cap it with a good night fuck. If the girl stays back then it will one more good fuck in the morning before I send her off.[/QUOTE]Help, the venerable disco at the Copacabana beach in Rio, would have been [i]exactly[/i] What you want. I did you itinerary of an ideal mongering experience many times at that place. Sadly, now it is just a fenced-off hole in the ground. .

There are other discos like this around in Rio, but a bit harder to get to. I fondly remember the Plataforma disco in Leblon, right next to the famous samba show. I have not been there in almost a decade, and heard the samba show is still going strong, but the disco gave way to an upscale wine bar and restaurant now.

The reason I do not hunt in these places any more is that termas in Rio are much more attractive to me. Same great music and great drinks. But no amateurs or FL; so you are not prone to chase after wrong targets. All of the girls are pros and wear skimpy bikinis. In particular 4*4 (quatro por quatro) rocks, and you can easily find 50 to 80 willing and attractive girls there. I also like L'uomo, but it is less than half the size. In all termas you can drink and chat with a girl all evening and then bang her. You can watch the occasional strip show, too. And if you develop a bit of chemistry with the girl, you can pull her for after-hour action in your hotel. I have done many of these programs, in particular pulling girls from L'uomo. More than half of the time, BTW, I have had these girls for free in my hotel. .

Read Bubba's Rio guide and learn all about termas! [url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2191-Bubba-Boy-s-Rio-Guide&p=1092906#post1092906[/url]

[QUOTE=Lorenzo;1117140]But there are plenty of places such as you describe in Rio and BA[/QUOTE]Name me one freelancer disco in BA? I doubt that it exists and if it will be very expensive.

[QUOTE=Euro100; 1117254]There are other discos like this around in Rio, but a bit harder to get to. I fondly remember the Plataforma disco in Leblon, right next to the famous samba show. I have not been there in almost a decade, and heard the samba show is still going strong, but the disco gave way to an upscale wine bar and restaurant now.

The reason I do not hunt in these places any more is that termas in Rio are much more attractive to me. Same great music and great drinks. But no amateurs or FL; so you are not prone to chase after wrong targets. All of the girls are pros and wear skimpy bikinis. In particular 4*4 (quatro por quatro) rocks, and you can easily find 50 to 80 willing and attractive girls there. I also like L'uomo, but it is less than half the size. In all termas you can drink and chat with a girl all evening and then bang her. You can watch the occasional strip show, too. And if you develop a bit of chemistry with the girl, you can pull her for after-hour action in your hotel. I have done many of these programs, in particular pulling girls from L'uomo. More than half of the time, BTW, I have had these girls for free in my hotel. .

Read Bubba's Rio guide and learn all about termas!

[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2191-Bubba-Boy-s-Rio-Guide&p=1092906#post1092906[/url][/QUOTE]The other Rio guide is Bwana Dik's guide. It should be on this site, I tried to get him signed up here in exchange for posting his guide, but maybe it did not work out.

What other discos are here to get pros? Probably the strip clubs in the Lido area (near Princesa Isabel). Ciccolina, Sensoo, Barbarella. If you want to splurge and don't mind paying lots of money, go to Barbarella.

I personally love cheap brothels and spend all DAY there. Like 10 am to 6 pm.

Now, Euro100, please tell your secret how you pull free termas girls. Please describe your social skills, as well as age, looks, physical shape, race, eye color (the brothers get always pissed when I say that blonde and blue eyed is a big plus, but the brothers usually have more then enough game to catch the fish).

[QUOTE=Ryjerrob;1114510]I purchased a new phone and sim in a TIM store in Centro, and they activated it with my passport.[/QUOTE]Right. If you don't want trouble, insist on getting the chip activated right in the store. If it a small reseller store, it is worth offering a tip for that. But you can probably get it for free.

I think it is not nice to use a girl's CPF, she will be responsible for whatever shit will happen with your card in case it gets stolen, lost, etc.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent; 1115808]For those of you traveling within Brazil (and beyond) this site will give you cost comparisons on TAM, GOL, Webjet and Azul.

[url]http://www.mundi.com.br/[/url]

It also has other travel planning features like listings for hotels and pousadas. [/QUOTE]Interesting. Did not know that one. Gave it a test spin and it looked good.

[QUOTE=Tempp; 1116779]I plan to travel for about 10 weeks all over south America. The focus of the trip is, of course mongering, but at the same time I want to experience the local culture and traditions. Needless to say, if I am mongering all the time I will quickly get tired of the scene. Moreover, I don't have funds to constantly participate in the hobby everyday for 10 weeks.

I really liked the Thailand experience before. There are plethora of opportunities to have fun with the girls. But after that you can participate in other kinds of activities. Normal massages, frolic around the beach etc etc. Moreover, if you get the girl for long time (LT) , she hangs out with you and you can do other "non-hobby" related stuff.

I want to do similar things when I travel all over south America. Of course, Brazil (Rio) is a given. I believe Buenos Aires is another such place. What are some of the other places I MUST visit for such an experience. Any beach towns? It would be great to experience the beaches and also hang out with some pretty girls. Also my Spanish language skills are minimal.

I really appreciate your advice in this regard.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Consider staying with me when in Rio. I usually can help out to get fun for good money.

But no way to get me out at night, I sleep at night. I love to spend all DAY at dirt cheap brothels. Will go tomorrow from 10 a to 6 pm. As it was said, Rio is short time sex country, long time is unusual and normally not well priced. But it can be found. But I would rather have 8 short times then 1 long time.

[QUOTE=Bigcebu;1117015]That is a problem in South America. TDLN is available but not as chap as in Asia.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Are you a Cebu traveller? Great place if you know where to go.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist; 1117431]Consider staying with me when in Rio. I usually can help out to get fun for good money.

But no way to get me out at night, I sleep at night. I love to spend all DAY at dirt cheap brothels. Will go tomorrow from 10 a to 6 pm. As it was said, Rio is short time sex country, long time is unusual and normally not well priced. But it can be found. But I would rather have 8 short times then 1 long time.

Exactly. Are you a Cebu traveller? Great place if you know where to go. [/QUOTE]Brazil-Specialist. Thanks a lot for your offer. I would certainly take it provided you are affordable.

I am sure we can work something out. Maybe you can show me the ropes to some of the places.

[QUOTE=Bigcebu;1117393]Name me one freelancer disco in BA? I doubt that it exists and if it will be very expensive.[/QUOTE]I don't know from experience since that isn't my scene; in BA I go to private apartments. However, there seem to be dozens, if not hundreds, listed on Argentina Private. Check for yourself: [url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Tempp;1117131]I want to hit a night-club which is totally hopping with great music and drinks. This night club should have semi-pros, pros and FL. And tonnes of them. I should just be able to look around soak the scene, feel horny and enjoy. I would hit on a few of them and which ever suits my fancy I would take back to my room. This way my adventure lasts the whole night and then I can cap it with a good night fuck.[/QUOTE]Love Story in Sao Paulo. Undoubtedly the best and wildest pick-up disco (with the hottest white-skinned girls) this side of the Atlantic. Beware though, it's not for "early-to-bed" guys, it's a morgue until before 3am, and then it rocks till 7am, later on weekends.

[QUOTE=Prosal;1117620]Love Story in Sao Paulo. Undoubtedly the best and wildest pick-up disco (with the hottest white-skinned girls) this side of the Atlantic. Beware though, it's not for "early-to-bed" guys, it's a morgue until before 3am, and then it rocks till 7am, later on weekends.[/QUOTE]Prosal, thanks for the knowledge. This is the kind of information I was looking on this forum. Of course, if all else fails I can always fall back on the pros. But I like the hunt. Now I guess my only drawback is language.

I swear I learn something new everyday. Today I learned that it was the Brazilian government that started the whole sex tourism thing down there. In the February issue of Robb Report there is an article,"Beyond Rio" which discusses luxury tourism around the country. The most interesting excerpt:

During the 1970s, when a military junta ruled the country, the government neglected tourism, labeling it as elitist."When they finally decided to promote tourism as a way of generating revenue, they didn't promote the arts, our museums, our cuisine, or our culture," Luiz Augusto, president of Rio's State Syndicate of Tourist Guides, told me while I was visiting the city. The main reason for coming to Rio was sex. Augusto said,"The ads always showed a girl posed seductively in a tanga and saying, 'Come see me in Rio. '"

[QUOTE=Lorenzo; 1117548]I don't know from experience since that isn't my scene; in BA I go to private apartments. However, there seem to be dozens, if not hundreds, listed on Argentina Private. Check for yourself:

[url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/[/url][/QUOTE]There are only private apartments, brothels and escorts in Argentinia. Even Europe is better than that.

There is NO freelancer disco in the whole entire country.

It sucks for mongering.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist; 1117431]. If you don't want trouble, insist on getting the chip activated right in the store. If it a small reseller store, it is worth offering a tip for that. But you can probably get it for free.

I think it is not nice to use a girl's CPF, she will be responsible for whatever shit will happen with your card in case it gets stolen, lost, etc. [/QUOTE]What kind of shit can happen with a stolen, lost, etc sim card?

Responsible for what?

I was told at theTIM store that the cards are registered only so the registered owner can cancel or re-use the number in case of lost or stolen or damaged cards.

I asked if it could cause problems for someone to register a sim card for me and they said no, just that I wouldn't be able to do anything official with the sim card, only the registered owner.

Big deal.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1117739]I swear I learn something new everyday. Today I learned that it was the Brazilian government that started the whole sex tourism thing down there. In the February issue of Robb Report there is an article,"Beyond Rio" which discusses luxury tourism around the country. The most interesting excerpt:

During the 1970s, when a military junta ruled the country, the government neglected tourism, labeling it as elitist."When they finally decided to promote tourism as a way of generating revenue, they didn't promote the arts, our museums, our cuisine, or our culture," Luiz Augusto, president of Rio's State Syndicate of Tourist Guides, told me while I was visiting the city. The main reason for coming to Rio was sex. Augusto said,"The ads always showed a girl posed seductively in a tanga and saying, 'Come see me in Rio. '"[/QUOTE]The current government will take any opportunity to criticise the military government of the past. Noted that your quote comes from a trade unionist. Ads for tourism in Rio always have shown pictures of hot girls. And still do. It is a leap from that to conclude the military government created sex tourism.

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1118106]What kind of shit can happen with a stolen, lost, etc sim card?

Responsible for what?

I was told at theTIM store that the cards are registered only so the registered owner can cancel or re-use the number in case of lost or stolen or damaged cards.

I asked if it could cause problems for someone to register a sim card for me and they said no, just that I wouldn't be able to do anything official with the sim card, only the registered owner.

Big deal. [/QUOTE]Why wouldn't a person get their own sim card registered themselves. If you go to a retail store, they will do it with a passport. Still, maybe I'm missing something here.

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1118106]What kind of shit can happen with a stolen, lost, etc sim card?

Responsible for what?

I was told at theTIM store that the cards are registered only so the registered owner can cancel or re-use the number in case of lost or stolen or damaged cards.

I asked if it could cause problems for someone to register a sim card for me and they said no, just that I wouldn't be able to do anything official with the sim card, only the registered owner.

Big deal. [/QUOTE]Can anyone say "Laranja", there is no way anyone would want their name associated with anything that could potential cause an issue. If the chip gets used for any illegal purpose, the registered owner is going to gets all sorts of unwanted attention from the Federal Police. In Brazil, anyone that lends their name to something they don't use and it goes bad is called a "laranja", basically a dumb fuck. There has been many instances where people have let their names be the registeree of chips and the said chip has then used for drug dealing or fraud or whatever. The Federal Police then blacklists the name, that means the name cannot do anything. Can't open a bank account, can't even get a passport, until they clear their name with the Feds. UGLY STUFF

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1118167]Can anyone say "Laranja", there is no way anyone would want their name associated with anything that could potential cause an issue. If the chip gets used for any illegal purpose, the registered owner is going to gets all sorts of unwanted attention from the Federal Police. In Brazil, anyone that lends their name to something they don't use and it goes bad is called a "laranja", basically a dumb fuck. There has been many instances where people have let their names be the registeree of chips and the said chip has then used for drug dealing or fraud or whatever. The Federal Police then blacklists the name, that means the name cannot do anything. Can't open a bank account, can't even get a passport, until they clear their name with the Feds. UGLY STUFF[/QUOTE]Well that makes sense then.

In that case, I wouldn't register a sim card for someone either unless I knew and trusted them.

[QUOTE=Ricker; 1118204]Well that makes sense then.

In that case, I wouldn't register a sim card for someone either unless I knew and trusted them. [/QUOTE]The odd thing is though, if it can cause such a problem for someone, I wonder why I've never had a problem getting someone to "cadastar" or register a sim card for me, whether it be a friend or a person that works in the news stand selling it to me or even a garota I meet, and I have cards from TIM, Oi, Vivo and Claro, and buy new ones occassionally when I want a new number.

[QUOTE=Ricker;1118383]The odd thing is though, if it can cause such a problem for someone, I wonder why I've never had a problem getting someone to "cadastar" or register a sim card for me, whether it be a friend or a person that works in the news stand selling it to me or even a garota I meet, and I have cards from TIM, Oi, Vivo and Claro, and buy new ones occassionally when I want a new number.[/QUOTE]You used to be able to enter any old CPF and it would work. I believe the newstands still do it this way.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1118426]You used to be able to enter any old CPF and it would work. I believe the newstands still do it this way.[/QUOTE]That's the way it works. TIM's verification system doesn't match your name to the CPF that you provide. Their computer system just checks to see if it is a valid CPF. They could cross check the name but they are not that intrusive. If you purchase a phone with a SIM that the store doesn't validate, the first time you try to use the phone you will be asked by a recorded operator to enter your CPF. Any valid CPF will work. A simple link to the Fazenda data base gives a verification code.

You can try it with your own CPF at this site: [url]http://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/Aplicacoes/ATCTA/cpf/ConsultaPublica.asp[/url]

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1118426]You used to be able to enter any old CPF and it would work. I believe the newstands still do it this way.[/QUOTE]The TIM guy was entering my old CPF into the computer but since it had expired it was coming back as invalid so no dice.

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist; 1117426]The other Rio guide is Bwana Dik's guide. It should be on this site, I tried to get him signed up here in exchange for posting his guide, but maybe it did not work out.

What other discos are here to get pros? Probably the strip clubs in the Lido area (near Princesa Isabel). Ciccolina, Sensoo, Barbarella. If you want to splurge and don't mind paying lots of money, go to Barbarella.

I personally love cheap brothels and spend all DAY there. Like 10 am to 6 pm.

Now, Euro100, please tell your secret how you pull free termas girls. Please describe your social skills, as well as age, looks, physical shape, race, eye color (the brothers get always pissed when I say that blonde and blue eyed is a big plus, but the brothers usually have more then enough game to catch the fish). [/QUOTE]I expect that I get more PMs asking the same question, now that I have posted more Rio reports. So I looked up my old posts and found that I have previously posted some notes on getting freebies form terma girls:

[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?2192-Rio-de-Janeiro-Reports&p=941595&viewfull=1#post941595[/url]

[QUOTE=Euro100; 1118773]I expect that I get more PMs asking the same question, now that I have posted more Rio reports. So I looked up my old posts and found that I have previously posted some notes on getting freebies form terma girls:

[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?2192-Rio-de-Janeiro-Reports&p=941595&viewfull=1#post941595[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks and congratulations to Euro100 for this great post. I had a good laugh when I read it.

I am pretty sure you described the right way to have good times in Rio. A bit cynical maybe but that's part of the game!

I have some questions for you if you don't mind :

Why did you say that it is difficult to have different girls at the same time? Because the girls from Termas know each others? I already read about that. I did not had this feeling when I was there. I even had some questions from a girl in Centaurus about L'Uomo (she did not know it very well).

How do you stay in touch with them during your stay? Do you have a brasilian SIM?

Do you tell them how long you stay especially if you stay no long (only few days)? Maybe they prefer stay with a guy who is in Rio for a long period or regularly there?

I have just something in mind now. I imagine that you must had already some difficult departures from Rio?

[QUOTE=Totos; 1120364]Thanks and congratulations to Euro100 for this great post. I had a good laugh when I read it.

I am pretty sure you described the right way to have good times in Rio. A bit cynical maybe but that's part of the game!

I have some questions for you if you don't mind :

Why did you say that it is difficult to have different girls at the same time? Because the girls from Termas know each others? I already read about that. I did not had this feeling when I was there. I even had some questions from a girl in Centaurus about L'Uomo (she did not know it very well).

How do you stay in touch with them during your stay? Do you have a brasilian SIM?

Do you tell them how long you stay especially if you stay no long (only few days)? Maybe they prefer stay with a guy who is in Rio for a long period or regularly there?

I have just something in mind now. I imagine that you must had already some difficult departures from Rio? [/QUOTE]Yes, one could have several longer-term relationships with different girls at the same time and get away with it. But in my mind this is a) playing with fire, and be) more than I could handle. I have my hands full with one at a time.

I don't use a cell phone in Brazil at all. I call them, and that's a big advantage. Sometimes this also bites me, because here and there I lose connection with a girl that I really wanted to maintain.

"How long do you stay?" I would advise you to always at least answer with "one more week", even if you depart the next morning.

Have I had difficult times leaving Rio? Absolutely! But, if I can avoid it at all, I don't say good-bye. Safado. What can I say?

Thinking of taking your wife or girl friend on a trip to Brasil?

As I was boarding the flight to Brasil I over heard a conversation between two male passengers. The first man was talking about taking his girl friend on the trip. The second man looked to the first and asked,"Do you bring meat when you go to the butcher shop?" The first man said "What?" The second man repeated himself."Do you bring meat when you go to the butcher shop?" The first man stopped to think for a moment and answered with a resounding "No!" The second man asked "Than why do you want to bring your girl friend to Brasil?"

She better be a freak that likes to join in or leave her home.

I got a layover of about 8 hours tomorrow in Rio de Janeiro before my flight back to the states. Is there any way you could have some fun during the day? Are there lockers where you can leave your stuff in the airport without getting them stolen? Exactly how terrible will the traffic be if I want to go to one of the termas in centro?

Thanks,

Matt

[QUOTE=Liveheree; 1131091]I got a layover of about 8 hours tomorrow in Rio de Janeiro before my flight back to the states. Is there any way you could have some fun during the day? Are there lockers where you can leave your stuff in the airport without getting them stolen? Exactly how terrible will the traffic be if I want to go to one of the termas in centro?

Thanks,

Matt[/QUOTE]Lets see. You have an 8 hour layover. Hail a taxi at the airport that can take you to Centro or Cobacabana. It is about a 90R cab ride to Cobacabana and will take you about an hour and you will have to get back about 2 hours before your international flight. You could spend 4 hours in the Termas? This will work. Centro is closer. I would give the cabbie the address that you want to go to. Taxi drivers do not always know where all the Termas's are. Either this or they do not understand my accent. Every Taxi driver seems to know where Centaurus is.

I don't know about the lockers. Won't the airlines handle your checked bags for you? If you are switching airlines can't you recheck your bags? Take a small thin carry on bag that you can stuff in your locker at the Termas. This could work.

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101; 1131151]Lets see. You have an 8 hour layover. Hail a taxi at the airport that can take you to Centro or Cobacabana. It is about a 90R cab ride to Cobacabana and will take you about an hour and you will have to get back about 2 hours before your international flight. You could spend 4 hours in the Termas? This will work. Centro is closer. I would give the cabbie the address that you want to go to. Taxi drivers do not always know where all the Termas's are. Either this or they do not understand my accent. Every Taxi driver seems to know where Centaurus is.

I don't know about the lockers. Won't the airlines handle your checked bags for you? If you are switching airlines can't you recheck your bags? Take a small thin carry on bag that you can stuff in your locker at the Termas. This could work.[/QUOTE]Cool, I wasn't sure about the time frame since I haven't been there in a while. I thought it might take more than an hour now with Carnival and all. The airline will handle my checked baggage, but I usually have a carry-on with my laptop. I can't check it in, but I would rather not bring it with me since if I got it stolen it would be a major hassle. I guess I will bring it anyway.

I think I might to to Centaurus since I'm only there for such a short period. I presume they will be quite busy during Carnival?

[QUOTE=Liveheree; 1131091]Are there lockers where you can leave your stuff in the airport without getting them stolen? Exactly how terrible will the traffic be if I want to go to one of the termas in centro?

Thanks,

Matt[/QUOTE]Baggage check is operated by MALEX. It is on the arrivals level of Terminal 1. There has been a lot of remodelling recently and this service may have been relocated. When you arrive just ask someone for the "guarda volumes." Traffic will depend on the hour that you arrive and depart. It is typical of any big city. Centro is less than a half hour by taxi.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco;1131164]Baggage check is operated by MALEX. It is on the arrivals level of Terminal 1. There has been a lot of remodelling recently and this service may have been relocated. When you arrive just ask someone for the "guarda volumes." Traffic will depend on the hour that you arrive and depart. It is typical of any big city. Centro is less than a half hour by taxi.[/QUOTE]Centro is closed for Carnaval.

I was at both Monte Carlo and L'uomo today and they were open.

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101;1130620]Thinking of taking your wife or girl friend on a trip to Brasil?[/QUOTE]My first time in Brazil me and my wife went together...and I have been divorced ever since! Although I had no idea of the mongering scene I still left her the morning we got back. I will never forget being in the airport in Salvador and not being able to take my eyes off of a girl who was working in one of the shops.

I had a hard time explaining why it was much better that she does not come with me to Rio.

Now she does not know wether she sould believe me or not; I hope she prefers to believe me!

In any case I would never ever have let her come with me to Brasil.

Better divorce before than after Rio!

[QUOTE=Chercheur; 1131225]I had a hard time explaining why it was much better that she does not come with me to Rio.

Now she does not know wether she sould believe me or not; I hope she prefers to believe me!

In any case I would never ever have let her come with me to Brasil.

Better divorce before than after Rio! [/QUOTE]How about these:

1) Crime. She could get hurt.
2) The water is no good, there is risk of getting sick.
3) You are travelling there for work
4) You are checking it out, if it is a romantic place then you will take her the next time (but of course you won't!)

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1131188]My first time in Brazil me and my wife went together...and I have been divorced ever since! Although I had no idea of the mongering scene I still left her the morning we got back. I will never forget being in the airport in Salvador and not being able to take my eyes off of a girl who was working in one of the shops.[/QUOTE]

Now that has to be the most expensive trip ever!

My mongering mentor gave me the following, back when I started:
Rule 1) Never enter a mongering destination with a woman
Rule 2) Never leave a mongering destination with a woman.
Rule 3) Never give a woman your real name (paternity cases, they can cross oceans!)
Rule 4) Never tell anyone at home that you at a mongering destination, especially not one like Rio or Bangkok that has a reputation for prostitution and sex tourism.
Rule 5) If it's known that you were at a mongering destination, say it was for work, nature tourism that bores people, or even a religious pilgrimage! No one, except a monger, respects a monger.

Mr E,

How long were you married before you dumped your wife. Let me guess. You thought you would be happy having sex with the same girl for life and 6 months in realized you made a huge mistake? What excuse did you give your wife when she asked why you were dumping her AFTER a vacation!

Thats funny.

[QUOTE=HelpRules;1131388]You thought you would be happy having sex with the same girl for life and 6 months in realized you made a huge mistake?[/QUOTE]Anyone remember the comedian Mort Sahl? He once said that before he gets married, a guy says "oh boy, I'm going to get laid tonight!" After he's been married a while, a guy says "oh shit, I got to get laid tonight!"

True, very true.

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101; 1130620]Thinking of taking your wife or girl friend on a trip to Brasil?

She better be a freak that likes to join in or leave her home. [/QUOTE]And what if the wife is Brazilian herself, and she knows about all this puteria?

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1131329]How about these:

1) Crime. She could get hurt.

2) The water is no good, there is risk of getting sick.

3) You are travelling there for work.

4) You are checking it out, if it is a romantic place then you will take her the next time (but of course you won't!). [/QUOTE]These are good. MY S. O. Wants to come with me and I am using the crime argument. I will spend all my money on the Termas girls and say I was mugged. I really would like to take her to the Jesus and Sugarloaf. I am always wondering what these things look like up close. I am studying the language on line. Hunny, when I get a handle on Porto I will take you and we will be safe.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1131329]My mongering mentor gave me the following, back when I started:

Rule 1) Never enter a mongering destination with a woman

Rule 2) Never leave a mongering destination with a woman.

Rule 3) Never give a woman your real name (paternity cases, they can cross oceans!)

Rule 4) Never tell anyone at home that you at a mongering destination, especially not one like Rio or Bangkok that has a reputation for prostitution and sex tourism.

Rule 5) If it's known that you were at a mongering destination, say it was for work, nature tourism that bores people, or even a religious pilgrimage! No one, except a monger, respects a monger. [/QUOTE]I boss took me Thailand and I took him into a bar and picked a girl out for him. He knoes I hobby and I know he is a doper so I think we are good but I wish I never would have told him. He gets pissed when he sees an extra couple days in some place like Brazil or Germany or Montreal and wants to be there. He really gets jealous and thinks the worst thing when I am traveling. The reality is that it is 90% work and I occaisionally relax with a hooker. DO NOT TELL ANYONE! Tell this board and thats it!

[QUOTE=Pyjama;1131480]And what if the wife is Brazilian herself, and she knows about all this puteria?[/QUOTE]Fuck I don't know. Is she cool about it and willing to share?

[QUOTE=Lorenzo; 1131474]Anyone remember the comedian Mort Sahl? He once said that before he gets married, a guy says "oh boy, I'm going to get laid tonight!" After he's been married a while, a guy says "oh shit, I got to get laid tonight!"

True, very true. [/QUOTE]Whats the difference between your job and your wife after 10 years. After 10 years your job still sucks!

[QUOTE=HelpRules; 1131388]Mr E,

How long were you married before you dumped your wife. Let me guess. You thought you would be happy having sex with the same girl for life and 6 months in realized you made a huge mistake? What excuse did you give your wife when she asked why you were dumping her AFTER a vacation! [/QUOTE]We were married two years and went to Brazil for our anniversary vacation. The morning we got back I just said I didn't want to be married anymore and left. She had a house before we got married so she always paid the mortgage and I paid the utilities. Everything else was done separate. All of our personal stuff we used our own money for. I asked her how she wanted to divide the furniture, she told me, and I put it in the divorce paperwork. Then she didn't want to go by that and got a lawyer. When we went to court the judge gave us 2 minutes each to say why we should have what items we wanted. The judge saw she was just trying to be bitter and greedy and gave me everything except 1 sofa and the washing machine. The judge did make me pay $750, half her lawyer fees. We did not have any kids together. We are still good friends.

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101;1131632]Fuck I don't know. Is she cool about it and willing to share?[/QUOTE]I think she'd join in for a threesome, not sure if I had sex with a puta all on my own. Risky trying out.

Mr E, how long after you were married did you realize you made a mistake? It took 2 years for you to leave her, but were you wanting to leave for most of the marriage. I dated this one girl for a year, which is the longest for me, and I was having sex with her one night, and just wanted to stop in the middle of it because I was so bored. I don't know how guys have sex with their wives for 20 years. I seems IMPOSSIBLE to me.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1131676]We were married two years and went to Brazil for our anniversary vacation. The morning we got back I just said I didn't want to be married anymore and left. She had a house before we got married so she always paid the mortgage and I paid the utilities. Everything else was done separate. All of our personal stuff we used our own money for. I asked her how she wanted to divide the furniture, she told me, and I put it in the divorce paperwork. Then she didn't want to go by that and got a lawyer. When we went to court the judge gave us 2 minutes each to say why we should have what items we wanted. The judge saw she was just trying to be bitter and greedy and gave me everything except 1 sofa and the washing machine. The judge did make me pay $750, half her lawyer fees. We did not have any kids together. We are still good friends.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't have believed there are people who live like that. Best lowlife marriage and divorce story I ever heard. Thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1131884]I wouldn't have believed there are people who live like that. Best lowlife marriage and divorce story I ever heard. Thanks for sharing.[/QUOTE]What is so low life about it? Mr. Entertainment returned from Brazil and they got divorced. End of story.

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101;1131631]I boss took me Thailand and I took him into a bar and picked a girl out for him. He knoes I hobby and I know he is a doper so I think we are good but I wish I never would have told him. He gets pissed when he sees an extra couple days in some place like Brazil or Germany or Montreal and wants to be there. He really gets jealous and thinks the worst thing when I am traveling. The reality is that it is 90% work and I occaisionally relax with a hooker. DO NOT TELL ANYONE! Tell this board and thats it![/QUOTE]When I get back from Rio or place x, the official story is always that it sucked, and I point out the bad parts of the trip. However, the really well-traveled people undoubtedly know what's going on, because I routinely stay over in places like that. But they can't say anything unless I open a dialogue on that subject, because an accusation would beyond inappropriate! So I don't pretend to be vanilla, but don't advertise or brag about my adventures either. It's just not a topic for discussion with anyone outside the hobby. So I never introduce a coworker to mongering or even allude to the fact that it exists. If anyone is with me, I go monger after they've retired for the night. Then no one gives me crap about morals, questions why I do week long layovers at my own expense in third world places, or wants to go in my place the next time! If I bragged to people outside this board, they wouldn't believe me anyway and would just see me as a perv. Some of the stuff that happens in our hobby is surreal. I wouldn't even believe some of the better posts here if I hadn't experienced similar things myself. Most of us screw more girls in a single trip than most guys screw in a lifetime, and these girls are usually way better looking and performing than the common girl. This is why guys become jealous and I can't say that I blame them.


Ignorance is bliss for your coworkers. Better that they don't know. Send them some news stories about some of the absurd violence in Rio, like the picture from O Globo last year of the girl walking past the dead body of favelado gangster guy that was thrown in the shopping cart, or the hostage situation at the hotel in Copa. That'll do it.
At least then they don't have to worry about getting tangled up with putas, spending too much money, health risks, mongering withdrawl after returns home, catching hell from trolls on ISG even after they've posted days of detailed reports with directions, times, girls names, prices and pictures...just because they ate cu or barebacked, or whatever. I'm always torn about whether introducing someone to mongering is the best or worst thing you can do to them. Guys become junkies on the first time. The guy who introduced me to mongering doesn't get to travel anymore. He is a good friend, but he burns with jealousy everytime I go somewhere. I quit discussing these things with him a long time ago, because it's a sore spot. At some point, when you monger enough you have to come out of the monger's closet for one reason or another, and let your S.O. know, and then you find what you are made of and either get divorce or acceptance of your philandering. The latter is the only positive thing that come from it, except of course the wonderful banging and things to think about when you are old and drooling in your oatmeal (copyright, some other Rio thread guy who invented and is about to call me for using that phrase) . So you are 100% right. Telling people about adventures in Rio is a very bad idea and there is not benefit to talking about it offline.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1132095]Ignorance is bliss for your coworkers. Better that they don't know. Send them some news stories about some of the absurd violence in Rio, like the picture from O Globo last year of the girl walking past the dead body of favelado gangster guy that was thrown in the shopping cart, or the hostage situation at the hotel in Copa. That'll do it.[/QUOTE]Just to put things in perspective. Brasil is by no means an untapped destination. You guys are not some kind of pionneer elite mongers. According to the World Tourism Organization (UNWTO) about 7. 2 millions inbound tourists have visited Brasil in 2008, which is an average of almost 20 000 arrivals / day (about the equivalent of 55 Boeing 767 full packed). Furthermore Brasilian authorities have recently made of tourism one of their top-ten priorities by launching the second phase of the "Aquarela Plan" (O Plano Aquarela, a marketing plan to increase the flow of tourists to Brasil) , which began in 2006, the goal being to double inbound tourism before 2015 and to place Brasil, now 33th, in the top-15 world's top tourism destinations.

Wake up. Brasil is already a mass-tourism (and mass sex-tourism) destination.

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1132145]Just to put things in perspective. Brasil is by no means an untapped destination. You guys are not some kind of pionneer elite mongers. According to the World Tourism Organization (UNWTO) about 7. 2 millions inbound tourists have visited Brasil in 2008, which is an average of almost 20 000 arrivals / day (about the equivalent of 55 Boeing 767 full packed). Furthermore Brasilian authorities have recently made of tourism one of their top-ten priorities by launching the second phase of the "Aquarela Plan" (O Plano Aquarela, a marketing plan to increase the flow of tourists to Brasil) , which began in 2006, the goal being to double inbound tourism before 2015 and to place Brasil, now 33th, in the top-15 world's top tourism destinations.

Wake up. Brasil is already a mass-tourism (and mass sex-tourism) destination. [/QUOTE]I think Puta Playa is awake. He has contributed a number of valuable reports. You, the same only tired BS.

BTW, most of the flights coming into Rio from the US recently have been Brazilians returning from shopping trips. I have been monitoring US flights during Carnaval and they are about 3/4 full coming and going. Tourism from the US is anything but up. Seems like you need to wake up and get more current statistics (and not wishful government ones).

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1132297]I think Puta Playa is awake. He has contributed a number of valuable reports. You, the same only tired BS.[/QUOTE]Oh, so Rio is not a prostitution mecca a la Pattaya invaded with sex-hungry tourists (smilie). Great news (smilies).

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1132297]Seems like you need to wake up and get more current statistics (and not wishful government ones).[/QUOTE]Oh, well, it's you again. Yawn, snooze. Still, any clue about what "inbound" tourism and "World Tourism Organization" mean?

Anyway, before flaming another member with controversial statements like"same tired BS", try to avoid to flood his PM mailbox with very silly questions about where to find freebies in FSU (for your information they are everywhere).

Tired of the conniving and hardened swarthy faveladas who've had a few hundreds filthy mongers blow loads of putrid splooge in their gaping holes? (smilie)

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1132297]I have been monitoring US flights during Carnaval and they are about 3/4 full coming and going.[/QUOTE]I thought I saw you at the Airport with a clipboard monitoring incoming passengers.

Have to agree with the rest of your post. Prosal comments were uncalled for. Puta Playa has been contributing some nice commentary on his travels through Brazil, this needs to be rewarded rather than put down.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1132374]Have to agree with the rest of your post. Prosal comments were uncalled for. Puta Playa has been contributing some nice commentary on his travels through Brazil, this needs to be rewarded rather than put down.[/QUOTE]
I see some rude people stomp on other mongers posts. They attack fellow Mongers that post 75% entertaining, useful, helpful information. I wonder what the reason is for this rude, troll like, comentary?

Punta Players, Bubba Boy, and Sex machine I read over and over again prior to my trip. (there is another guy that posts on MERB that I studied too.) I also got some PMs that were very helpful form everything to links to langauge lessons, directions to privies, and how to get a garota to go home with you at the end of the night. Some mongers provide good information and then others provide entertaining stories. I was sitting in the Balconi bar looking at the Garotas wondering if the 18 year old Nichele I met was the girl JC ran off with from Sex Machine's posts? When I go back and reread these posts it brings Rio back.

I may not get back to Rio this year but I will stay in touch with these threads! Thanks a lot to all you Mongers out there who are willing to help out a fellow hobbyist!

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1132145]Just to put things in perspective. Brasil is by no means an untapped destination.

Wake up. Brasil is already a mass-tourism (and mass sex-tourism) destination. [/QUOTE]I usually monger in Centro, VM or Tijuca and [i]rarely[/i] encounter another gringo. So while certain high end establishments in SP and almost all of Copacabana are mass-sex tourism destinations like you said, the rest of the scene in the large cities is relatively untouched by the sex tourists.

I'm not sure what relevance your post has. There haven't been any pioneer mongers in Brasil since the 1500's. My point is that it's best to keep activities to oneself rather than introduce other people, like coworkers, to the sport. Fewer mongers is good for us and good for Brasil.

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101;1132678]I wonder what the reason is for this rude, troll like, comentary?[/QUOTE]Clear-sightedness only.

People who refute the fact that Rio is a mass sex-tourism mecca live in denial of realities. That was just my point. Not that I care a lot anyway.

I'm planning a trip to Rio in may had had a few newbie questions. I've read bubba guide and I plan to follow it to a tee. It is very informative and will make my trip! I've noticed that the dollar is real weak outh there. Since most of the action that I am planning is going to be at 4x4 etc how much should I bring to monger? I plan to have 3 girls a day for about 7 days. Have the prices skyrocked? How much should I be prepared to spend on mongering for my trip. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. If this post is in the wrong forum I appologize.

I was out there about 6 months ago when the rate was about 1. 8. I never went broke so fast in my life. 3 girls a day? If they are all at 44, about 470 a day with drinks. If I remember, its about 240r for room and girl. Times 3, at 1. 65 rate, and you will be about 435. 00 a day. That assumes you get there early enough to not pay the entrance fee. Throw in another 30. 00 for drinks and you will need some big time cash. I remember the old days when you could have 3 girls there and you would be out about 150. 00. Anyway, have fun. Its only money. I wrote a trip report for my trip. If you do a search, you should be able to find it. I go into more details.

[QUOTE=Vittu;1131196]Undoubtedly it grows but is it readily available and how is the quality. I'll be in the country for a couple of weeks.[/QUOTE]My buddy is a pot head. A few years back he scored a bag of weed in Rio and minutes later her was "shook down" by Brazilian police. He had to give the police his watch and the money remaining in his pocket (40$USD) and they allowed him to could keep the weed.

This place reminds me a little like Thailand. A culture of coruption. Stick to prostitutes and alcohol.

I'm a bit technology challenged and am wondering if I bring this phone to Rio on my next trip will it work for me? I'm guessing I need to buy a claro card or something to put in it? Is that all that I would need?

Any assistance and explanations would be great!

[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/LG-C2000-GSM-UNLOCKED-Camera-phone-Tri-band-642-/280643078409?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item4157a18909[/url]

SK

Does anybody remember these boat rides? Do they still have them?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt5CfDYtedQ[/url]

[QUOTE=Redsox911; 1133796]I'm a bit technology challenged and am wondering if I bring this phone to Rio on my next trip will it work for me? I'm guessing I need to buy a claro card or something to put in it? Is that all that I would need?

Any assistance and explanations would be great!

[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/LG-C2000-GSM-UNLOCKED-Camera-phone-Tri-band-642-/280643078409?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item4157a18909[/url]

SK[/QUOTE]It should work. Just buy a sim card when you get here and away you go.

The entire movie (HD quality) on this You Tube video.

It might be deleted soon though.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK2G44LkrDo&feature=fvst[/url]

I'm currently looking at a condo to stay at next month on copa. Can anyone give me a run down of the posto's on the beach. The condo I'm leaning towards getting is in posto 6 and another one on posto 5. Does posto 6 have good nightlife? Safe? Info on the posto's would help a lot. I want to be where all the action is or very close to it. Link or anything. Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1134170]I'm currently looking at a condo to stay at next month on copa. Can anyone give me a run down of the posto's on the beach. The condo I'm leaning towards getting is in posto 6 and another one on posto 5. Does posto 6 have good nightlife? Safe? Info on the posto's would help a lot. I want to be where all the action is or very close to it. Link or anything. Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]Copacabana Postos (Lifeguard towers)

Posto

1 Copacabana Leme

2 Copacabana. Praca Lido Balcony Bar / Rua Prado Jr boites.

3 Copacabana. Rua Hilario de Gouveia Termas Monte Carlo

4 Copacabana. Rua Constante Ramos Near Pestana Hotel / Some Beach action.

5 Copacabana. Rua Sa Ferreira Near Favela Pavao Pavaozinho / Meia Pataca.

6 Copacabana. Fort Duque de Caxias Near Hotel Sofitel

7 Ipanema. Arpoador Beach Near Termas Centaurus.

8 Ipanema. Rua Juaquim Nabuco Some Beach action.

9 Ipanema. Rua Venicius de Moraes Near Gay beach / watch for raingbow flags

10 Ipanema. Rua Anibal de Mendonca Some Beach action.

11 Leblon. Rua Adm Guilhem

12 Leblon. Rua Aristides Espinola

Propably not any useful information, but maybe interesting to some?
I thinks it´s interesting to see how the new quiosques grows up along Copacabana and Leme, and substitute some of the old ones.

The current situation is 68 quiosques, 36 new ones and 32 old ones. The majority of the old ones are concentrated down towards Leme.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1134413]Propably not any useful information, but maybe interesting to some?

I thinks it's interesting to see how the new quiosques grows up along Copacabana and Leme, and substitute some of the old ones.

The current situation is 68 quiosques. 36 new ones and 32 old ones. The majority of the old ones are concentrated down towards Leme. [/QUOTE]The new ones are very expensive. Only big companies can afford to lease them and I don't think make any money, it is more a promotional thing. I have heard it is currently R$350, 000 just to hold the 5 year lease, that amount just gets written off over the 5 years + rent on top of that. Adding to this the food sux at all of the new ones, all of them!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1134428]The new ones are very expensive. Only big companies can afford to lease them and I don't think make any money, it is more a promotional thing. I have heard it is currently R$350, 000 just to hold the 5 year lease, that amount just gets written off over the 5 years + rent on top of that. Adding to this the food sux at all of the new ones, all of them![/QUOTE]I prefer the old quiosques. They are much more genuine and charming than the new ones. I guess the new ones makes part of the new image of Rio.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1133871]Does anybody remember these boat rides? Do they still have them?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt5CfDYtedQ[/url][/QUOTE]I remember those boat rides. I never went on one (not my style) but I know several people who did. They do not have them anymore because the guy organizing them was arrested.

[QUOTE=The Watcher;1134669]I remember those boat rides. I never went on one (not my style) but I know several people who did. They do not have them anymore because the guy organizing them was arrested.[/QUOTE]I don't remember thoses boat rides but I do remember the Tivoli Parque which was a mega amusement park on the shore of Lagoa Rodrigo de Freitas.

It was inaugurated in 1970 and it closed down in the early 90's. The remaining equipment was disseminated in different attraction parks in other parts of Brazil (especially NoVa Igauçyou and Brasilia).

Actually on the site of the former Tivoli you can find Parque do Patins.

The last time I went there was in 1982. I went to the park with a garota. Grace. Who was working then in Erotika. We had fun. Too bad that this attraction is gone.

[QUOTE=James Bond 007;1139849]After arriving at the hotel, I decided to get a local SIM card. There were a few stores a block or two in from Atlantico Ave. Claro wouldn't give me a prepaid SIM telling me I needed a CPF number and told me to go to the Central Police Station in Centro to apply for one. I decided to stop by TIM and they sold me a SIM card with my passport. There was a Oi SIM card store nearby, but I didn't stop there. The per minute rate for prepaid SIM calling is not cheap even for local calls, about R$1 a minute with free incoming calls. Both Claro and TIM stores had English speaking sales clerks which was helpful.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the good info, I have a trip coming up and this time won't have a cell phone to use so I may have to do something like this. How much was that Tim sim card and do you remember the cross streets where that Tim store was or anything close? To make local calls at. 62 a minute is not cheap, I recently bought a subscription on Skype to make calls to Brazil cell phones for. 20 a minute but still need a cell to receive incoming from locals. This will be first time I am using skype in Brazil, the reception is great in the US, how is it in Brazil for some of you guys that have used it before?

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon;1140701]Thanks for the good info, I have a trip coming up and this time won't have a cell phone to use so I may have to do something like this. How much was that Tim sim card and do you remember the cross streets where that Tim store was or anything close? To make local calls at. 62 a minute is not cheap, I recently bought a subscription on Skype to make calls to Brazil cell phones for. 20 a minute but still need a cell to receive incoming from locals. This will be first time I am using skype in Brazil, the reception is great in the US, how is it in Brazil for some of you guys that have used it before?[/QUOTE]Skype depends on the quality of the internet connection. My Rio girl and I use it all the time (including the video feature) and have never had a problem with her having only a 1MB connection.

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1134052]The entire movie (HD quality) on this You Tube video.

It might be deleted soon though.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK2G44LkrDo&feature=fvst[/url][/QUOTE]I pefer another Brazilian movie; Foda de elite.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon;1140701]... I recently bought a subscription on Skype to make calls to Brazil cell phones for. 20 a minute but still need a cell to receive incoming from locals. This will be first time I am using skype in Brazil, the reception is great in the US, how is it in Brazil for some of you guys that have used it before?[/QUOTE]Based on my experience skype works well in Brazil, even in case internet connecion is not the best

1999 Carnaval in Help:

They came in all shapes and sizes and everyone looks like they're having fun.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kPv-SBANwU[/url]

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1141229]1999 Carnaval in Help:

They came in all shapes and sizes and everyone looks like they're having fun.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kPv-SBANwU[/url][/QUOTE]Some of those girls are still working! Also, for those new to the game, Carnaval at Help was one time management "relaxed" the dress code. Other times girls would be refused admittance if their outfits showed too much skin.

Had to start cutting out the nudity as the night moved on:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9rYz8xSux0[/url]


Part III

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHCcun609uo[/url]

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1141279]Had to start cutting out the nudity as the night moved on:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9rYz8xSux0[/url]

Part III.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHCcun609uo[/url][/QUOTE]Sangue Bon,

Thanks for that. I started going to Rio in the final days of Help (2009) and never bothered going. Looking back I wish I had. However, it is good to see some footage of Help in its heyday! Lets hope Youtube doesn't cut it.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1141279]Had to start cutting out the nudity as the night moved on:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9rYz8xSux0[/url]

Part III.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHCcun609uo[/url][/QUOTE]Can you post up the video on another site with the nudity. I think 1999 was the last year they would let you bring in video cameras during carnival. I was there from 97-99 and I remember them stopping me at the door in 99 when I tried to go in with my video camera.

20 minutes later: I was checking out the 3rd video and sure enough, there I am! LOL!!

[QUOTE=Bravo; 1141679]Can you post up the video on another site with the nudity. I think 1999 was the last year they would let you bring in video cameras during carnival. I was there from 97-99 and I remember them stopping me at the door in 99 when I tried to go in with my video camera.

20 minutes later: I was checking out the 3rd video and sure enough, there I am! LOL! [/QUOTE]While part III still contains brief nudity I suspect that Youtube doen't inspect the millions of videos they receive. Also the videos are not public, you can only view it or find it if you have the link, so this should leave the public out of reporting something like this to the nude police. This video is only visable to like minded individuals like us. Maybe in my next video I will be more daring and allow a little bit more skin.

The reason why I made them unlisted was not because of the brief nudity but because in previous videos I put up I had former GDP's featured in the video contact me and asked me nicely to remove the video as they are no longer in the game and their families wouldn't understand why they were filmed in Help. So this way the general public can't see them, just us mongers.

You were there from 97? 97 was the first year I came back to Rio after a 10 year hiatus. Help was not even on my radar until I met a guy in Barbarellas and he told me he was goig to Help and why don't you come along because I think you're going to like it. We had a nice run.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon;1141833]Maybe in my next video I will be more daring and allow a little bit more skin.[/QUOTE]Nice videos!

I havn't spend a Carnival in Rio since 1993. Some bailes like Baile do Flamengo, Baile das Pantheras and the Baile Adam and Eve used to be very wild. Specially the Adam and Eve Baile at Help used to have a lot of naked skin. Lots of bare breasts and many girls stripping on top of the podiums showing (and opening) their p*ssies.

I recorded quite a lot with my camcorder (Hi8) , but I never had time to put on my PC.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1141899]Nice videos!

I havn't spend a Carnival in Rio since 1993. Some bailes like Baile do Flamengo, Baile das Pantheras and the Baile Adam and Eve used to be very wild. Specially the Adam and Eve Baile at Help used to have a lot of naked skin. Lots of bare breasts and many girls stripping on top of the podiums showing (and opening) their p*ssies.

I recorded quite a lot with my camcorder (Hi8) , but I never had time to put on my PC. [/QUOTE]These movies are VHS tapes, I bought a new gadget called Dazzle, very simple, plug in back of VHS player, plug in computer then copy to computer and make Mpeg.

[url]http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/us/Products/Consumer[/url]+Products / Dazzle / Dazzle+Video+Archiving / Dazzle+DVD+Recorder+Plus. Htm

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1141899]Nice videos!

I havn't spend a Carnival in Rio since 1993. Some bailes like Baile do Flamengo, Baile das Pantheras and the Baile Adam and Eve used to be very wild. Specially the Adam and Eve Baile at Help used to have a lot of naked skin. Lots of bare breasts and many girls stripping on top of the podiums showing (and opening) their p*ssies.

I recorded quite a lot with my camcorder (Hi8) , but I never had time to put on my PC. [/QUOTE]Interesting how thes events were major, Everything to do with carnaval celebrations has been overtaken by the surge of 'Blocos'. Not an improvement IMO. Bailes are being made extinct, and the desfile at the sambodromo is in danger of becoming a fossil for tourists only.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1133871]Does anybody remember these boat rides? Do they still have them?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt5CfDYtedQ[/url][/QUOTE]Hey Sague Bon,

What year was this boat ride? That chick with the writting on her as that says something about love. She is at 3:57 in the video. That looks like Farnanda. She speaks real good english. She gain some weight now. If thats her that tattoo is fake because she doesn't have that on her ass now.

[QUOTE=Rahsta; 1142411]Hey Sague Bon,

What year was this boat ride? That chick with the writting on her as that says something about love. She is at 3:57 in the video. That looks like Farnanda. She speaks real good english. She gain some weight now. If thats her that tattoo is fake because she doesn't have that on her ass now. [/QUOTE]More or less about 2001 2002

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon;1142597]More or less about 2001 2002[/QUOTE]I remember being invited to several of those outings. Never trusted the guy who put it together, as I always thought he was sketchy. If I am not mistaken, it stopped after they got popped by the PM.

[QUOTE=Hungrystud101; 1133248]My buddy is a pot head. A few years back he scored a bag of weed in Rio and minutes later her was "shook down" by Brazilian police. He had to give the police his watch and the money remaining in his pocket (40$USD) and they allowed him to could keep the weed.

This place reminds me a little like Thailand. A culture of coruption. Stick to prostitutes and alcohol. [/QUOTE]I was in Club Erotika last night on Prado Junior, besides the normal staff they had a private party going on, young good looking guys and girls, very friendly, they were smoking marcona openly, had a hit myself from one of them, took away the jet lag.

I left with one of the local gdp's. They also had a show, one part of the show was a drag queen singing on stage, he went around the room trying to get the audience to join in and sing, I was the only one in the audience who could sing with him Ney York New York, I went on stage with him and 2 other lovely young ladies from the party, I got a standing ovation, fun.

[QUOTE=HelpRules;1133203]I was out there about 6 months ago when the rate was about 1. 8. I never went broke so fast in my life. 3 girls a day? If they are all at 44, about 470 a day with drinks. If I remember, its about 240r for room and girl. Times 3, at 1. 65 rate, and you will be about 435. 00 a day. That assumes you get there early enough to not pay the entrance fee. Throw in another 30. 00 for drinks and you will need some big time cash. I remember the old days when you could have 3 girls there and you would be out about 150. 00. Anyway, have fun. Its only money. I wrote a trip report for my trip. If you do a search, you should be able to find it. I go into more details.[/QUOTE]I had lunch today at The Arpoador Inn outside beach side. Camerao Moceque Bahia style with 3 beers 145 reais, roghly $90 for lunch, can you believe it? It was good real good but this is more than Miami beach and I was there recently, it's expensive but this is crazy.

I arrived yesterday, came down on American airlines business class, new direct jfk gig, left late but arrived 10 min early. Lunch at Meia Pataca pizza 4 chopps 53 reais, LOL. Went across to Ho beach met a girl who works at Centaurus. 3 hours in my apt to break the ice, what an animal sh was, fun time.

[QUOTE=Vittu;1131196]Undoubtedly it grows but is it readily available and how is the quality. I'll be in the country for a couple of weeks.[/QUOTE]Readily available in every favela at a miriad of dope spots. Just ask about "Maconha" to any local (from the favela). Up to you then if you're the type of guy that'd walk up in the favelas or not, but if you are, there is not much to worry about as long as you don't act stupidly. Perhaps the first time you better get there accompained by a local, after that if you keep on coming back they'll know that you're there just to bring money and you'll have the green light signaled by a thumb up at every corner by the barefooted soldiers sporting only shorts and AK-47. It's not too bad actually, but admittedly not everybody's cup of tea. Be safe, and keep in mind that in Rio even if you're just smoking a joint in public any do-good Brazilian will put a distance between you and himself 'cause nobody wants to be taken with you in case the police comes over as that would likely mean being beaten to a pulp and / or locked up unless you have a bunch of reais readily available to sweeten them up. Everything is possible but you better know full well the game you're playing whatever your game is.

Bless

[QUOTE=Albert Punter;1140864]Based on my experience skype works well in Brazil, even in case internet connecion is not the best[/QUOTE]My internet connection is 1 .9 mbps download and upload is .29 here in Brazil today. My skype is working better than I thought, pretty much crystal clear, thats calling land lines and cell phones in Brazil and same to the US. My connection is te US is 30 mbps up and down, what a difference.

A little taste of Balcony last night:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISa0xaVqJOs[/url]

A little taste of Balcony this evening:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSRwzP23ifI[/url]

[QUOTE=Sperto;1144355]A little taste of Balcony this evening:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSRwzP23ifI[/url][/QUOTE]

Are you sure that was Balcony and not Vila Mimosa? ;)

[QUOTE=Gfe Finder;1144521]Are you sure that was Balcony and not Vila Mimosa? ;)[/QUOTE]Speaking of Vila Mimosa.

[url]http://www.npr.org/2011/04/18/135519259/brazil-aims-to-clean-up-image-ahead-of-games[/url]

Be sure to visit before its gone! (Article also refers indirectly to Help disco.)

[QUOTE=Yankee 617; 1146513]Speaking of Vila Mimosa.

[url]http://www.npr.org/2011/04/18/135519259/brazil-aims-to-clean-up-image-ahead-of-games[/url]

Be sure to visit before its gone! (Article also refers indirectly to Help disco.) [/QUOTE]Now if they had asked Sperto his opinion, rather than some lame anthropologist from the local high school, that would have been an article worth reading!

[QUOTE=Yankee 617;1146513]Speaking of Vila Mimosa.
[url]http://www.npr.org/2011/04/18/135519259/brazil-aims-to-clean-up-image-ahead-of-games[/url]
Be sure to visit before its gone! (Article also refers indirectly to Help disco.)[/QUOTE]
"Live sex shows" in Vila Mimosa? That's not true.

Trem-bala:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2192-Rio-de-Janeiro-Reports&p=1098441&viewfull=1#post1098441[/url]

All week CNBC has had live reports from Brasil, the shows were full of very interesting interviews and discussions about the Brasilian economy! (Seems like the brasilians are finally starting to admit that they are in deep shit when it comes to being ready for the Olympics). Anyway, one of the biggest topics that they kept hammering home was the explosion of the middle class. How within the past 5 years, millions and millions of brasilians are now considered middle class.

My question is this. How much does a family have to earn to be considered "Middle Class" in brasil? I was having a discussion with a co-worker on this topic and I said "I have a feeling that the American idea of middle class is greatly different than what middle class is in Brasil".

[QUOTE=Bravo; 1150603]All week CNBC has had live reports from Brasil, the shows were full of very interesting interviews and discussions about the Brasilian economy! (Seems like the brasilians are finally starting to admit that they are in deep shit when it comes to being ready for the Olympics). Anyway, one of the biggest topics that they kept hammering home was the explosion of the middle class. How within the past 5 years, millions and millions of brasilians are now considered middle class.

My question is this. How much does a family have to earn to be considered "Middle Class" in brasil? I was having a discussion with a co-worker on this topic and I said "I have a feeling that the American idea of middle class is greatly different than what middle class is in Brasil". [/QUOTE]Interesting issue.

Some sources says that half the population in Brazil are middle class. It sounds weird to me.

It can't mean that middle class are the average doctor/lawyer family living in a nice apartment in Ipanema, with a nice car and with kids studying at an university like PUC.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1150679]Interesting issue.

Some sources says that half the population in Brazil are middle class. It sounds weird to me.

It can't mean that middle class are the average doctor / lawyer family living in a nice apartment in Ipanema, with a nice car and with kids studying at an university like PUC. [/QUOTE]Thats my question. What is considered "Middle Class"? A family earning 1500R a month, would they be considered middle class in Brasil? With the super high costs of everything in brasil, I can't see how anyone who makes less than 3000 reais a month in Rio gets by.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1150720]Thats my question. What is considered "Middle Class"? A family earning 1500R a month, would they be considered middle class in Brasil? With the super high costs of everything in brasil, I can't see how anyone who makes less than 3000 reais a month in Rio gets by.[/QUOTE]I have been dotting on the issue of domestic Brazilian inflation for a couple years now. I just do not see how inflation in Brazil and especially Rio can be contained. I also do not see how they can contain the crime wave that will ensue. I am with a taxi driver this week who tells me he has had two motorcycles stolen right out from under him. They cornered him at an intersection, pulled guns on him and took them.

I stopped by Premier Hotel the other day and they said they were 100% full booking at rates of R$275 a day. That is over $170 a day. It is almost all Brazilians. I also was talking with a US Oil executive who says that his company just landed a new contract which included a provision that the workers had to be Brazilian. For many, like these kind of manual laborers, the World Cup and Olympic boom will put them in the middle class. However, I also am getting a lot of reports that retail shops in Ipanema and Copa are suffering because many of the middle class or their friends are going on buying trips to the US.

Getting a handle on Brazilian Macro and Micro economics right now is not an easy matter.

[url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704071704576277161593023004.html[/url]

SÃO PAULO—Brazil has aspired for generations to climb into the club of the world's rich nations. By one measure, that moment has arrived: This city and others like Rio de Janeiro are now among the world's priciest.

The big reason is Brazil's currency has soared some 40% against the dollar in two years. Add to that a 6. 4% inflation rate and Paulistanos here are suddenly shelling out the equivalent of $15 for a movie—more than New Yorkers.

Those prices reflect the conversion of the local currency, the real, into dollars. Brazilians earning local salaries are mostly insulated from currency shift because their incomes are rising relative to the dollar, but they, too, are beginning to feel the pinch of inflation and a hot economy.

Still, it is a staggering reversal from a decade ago when Brazilian land, rents and labor were all cheap in dollar terms. That made the volatile but commodity-rich South American nation enticing to adventurous investors and a sultry paradise for budget tourists. But a global investment frenzy for Brazil—and other emerging markets—is changing that by sending its currency sky high.

After climbing to 1. 57 per dollar this week, Brazil's real is near a three-year high, and Goldman Sachs says it is arguably the world's most overvalued currency.

The shift holds ominous implications for Latin America's biggest economy—and a cautionary tale for other emerging markets. As Brazil becomes more expensive in dollar terms, it loses the competitive edge of a weak currency in the global economy. Brazilian newspaper columnists regularly fret about "de-industrialization" as a strong currency makes local manufacturers uncompetitive.

Brazil's JBS SA, the world's biggest beef producer, says it is exporting less from Brazil because many international customers can no longer afford Brazilian-produced cuts. Meantime, exports from JBS's USA plants are rising.

The hitch is that Brazil is becoming as expensive as rich countries before it can truly compete with them. Converted into dollars, Brazilian workers are starting to earn developed-world salaries, even though productivity is lower.

For foreign firms, it often costs as much or more to do business in Brazil as it does in the USA, even though Brazilian businesses are disadvantaged with obstacles like bad roads, dismal ports, power blackouts, high crime and heavier tax rates.

High prices in dollars are a jarring contrast in still poor Brazil, where millions live in precarious shanty towns on city outskirts. Their incomes are starting to slip behind recent jumps in food, transportation and land costs, said Marcelo Neri, an economist at the Getulio Vargas Foundation.

Brazilian politicians aren't going to be left behind by rising prices. In December, Congress gave itself a 62% raise and members now earn the equivalent of more than $210, 000 a year, above the $174, 000 earned by their USA counterparts.

Examples of Brazil's new dearness are plentiful. The cost of hiring executives to organize Rio de Janeiro's 2016 Olympic Games is bigger than for the 2012 Games in London, said Odgers Berndtson, the firm that hired for both. Office space in Rio de Janeiro now costs more in dollar terms than midtown Manhattan, according to real-estate firm Cushman & Wakefield.

Adding to the problem, Brazil's mostly closed, heavily taxed economy have long made items such as cars or machines with imported parts shockingly high priced. A Honda Civic sedan in the USA costs around $21, 400. In Brazil, prices start around $39, 000 in dollar terms.

The trend is perhaps most evident to travelers arriving in Brazil with dollars in their pockets. These days, foreign business travelers commiserate over $16 caipirinhas—Brazil's national tipple—in disbelief that a typical night at Marriott's Renaissance hotel in Sâo Paulo can cost 50% more than a night at the Renaissance in Manhattan.

"I don't remember prices like this in my whole 40 years covering Brazil, and living there," said economist John Welch, who grew up in Brazil and visits São Paulo frequently as Brazil economist for Macquarie Bank.

For Mr. Welch, a key question is whether some of Brazil's higher prices reflect asset bubbles forming in Brazil's hot economy. One concern is that an overvalued real can lead to real-estate bubbles, he said, adding unpredictability to the economy.

(I have been saying this for months, the real estate bubble in Rio will eventually burst! I truly believe that within two years after the Games, that the prices of real estate will fall like panties on prom night!)

[QUOTE=Bravo;1150720]Thats my question. What is considered "Middle Class"? A family earning 1500R a month, would they be considered middle class in Brasil? With the super high costs of everything in brasil, I can't see how anyone who makes less than 3000 reais a month in Rio gets by.[/QUOTE]We still have 25 year-old engineers who make R$2500 / mo. Before taxes (take home is <$2K) but they live with their parents and they commute to work with their parents (Dad's car). Who knows how they share rent, but definitely there is a culture of staying at the roost longer than in other countries.

I'd say it's costing me 2x as much to live in Copa than it cost me to live the same quality of life in Brentwood / LA, USA. Which is one of the highest-income neighborhoods in LA (#1 language after English is Farsi). And that's without a car here in Rio. R$5K rent, R$500 electric bill each month, R$50 gas, R$120 NET bill (for shitty 10MB / 80GB cap) , R$200 / week cleaning lady, not to mention the daily food costs (R$30 lunches at Siq. Grill) , and other costs. Don't get me started on mobile phones. I have to go buy new sneakers tomorrow which should be a painful education.

I seriously don't know how most people hack it. And I am constantly surprised that the ready supply of $$$ does not drive more nubile young ladies to enter our favorite profession. I mean, if I'm readily throwing R$400 / hr down at MC, is that not going to drive more young women from the countryside to Rio? And shouldn't that lower prices? My macroeconomic understanding is getting confused by the current state of affairs.

-Cartman

The numbers to classify which class you belong to varies a lot.

According to IBGE:
Classes (family income):
Classe A: Acima de R$ 15.300,00
Classe B: de R$ 7.650,00 até R$ 15.300,00
Classe C: de R$ 3.060,00 até R$ 7.650,00
Classe D: de R$ 1.020,00 até R$ 3.060,00
Classe E: Até R$ 1.020,00.
Meaning that you have to earn R$3060 to be classe média.

According to ABEP:
Classes (family income):
A1 - R$ 14.366
A2 - R$ 8.099
B1 - R$ 4.558
B2 - R$ 2.327
C1- R$ 1.391
C2 - R$ 933
D - R$ 618
E - R$ 403
Meaning that you have to earn R$933 to be classe média.
IMO a very low number. That's propably how they get half the population in the category classe média.

[url]http://www.logisticadescomplicada.com/o-brasil-suas-classes-sociais-e-a-implicacao-na-economia/[/url]
[url]http://economia.terra.com.br/noticias/noticia.aspx?idNoticia=201103221427_TRR_79582542[/url]

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1150764]I'd say it's costing me 2x as much to live in Copa than it cost me to live the same quality of life in Brentwood / LA, USA. Which is one of the highest-income neighborhoods in LA (#1 language after English is Farsi). And that's without a car here in Rio. R$5K rent, R$500 electric bill each month, R$50 gas, R$120 NET bill (for shitty 10MB / 80GB cap) , R$200 / week cleaning lady, not to mention the daily food costs (R$30 lunches at Siq. Grill) , and other costs. Don't get me started on mobile phones. I have to go buy new sneakers tomorrow which should be a painful education.

-Cartman[/QUOTE]5K a month on rent? You must have a palatial, pimped out apartment! If you can afford to spend that much on living expenses that you must be making a killing in brasil. I am almost afraid to ask what you do in Brasil as an American that pays you so much! And if you are making that kind of money, than there are some happy brasilians down there too! If I remember correctly, if an American company wants to open an office in Brasil, by law, they have to hire 3 Brasilians for every American they bring down in. Plus the Brasilians have to be paid the same amount the american is paid!

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1150735]However, I also am getting a lot of reports that retail shops in Ipanema and Copa are suffering because many of the middle class or their friends are going on buying trips to the US.[/QUOTE]Ya think? I bought this thermos in the USA at Walmart for US$5 and saw the exact same one in the mall in Manaus for R$50. R$50 for a piece of fucking plastic?

Interesting news item: [url]http://m24digital.com/en/2011/05/11/the-court-ruled-in-her-favor-and-now-she-can-masturbate-at-work/.[/url]

I wonder if the courts would allow the same leeway to you guys who work in Brazil.

I was hoping the board could answer this one for me. About how long is the time period between the k1 Fiance interview at the embassy and the Issuance of the Visa? Is the visa issued right then and there or does it take a couple of months? Does the guy have to go to the interview with the girl or can she go by herself?

My absolute favorite GDP is going for her K1 interview in June at the US Embassy. Unfortunately, I am not scheduled to go back to Brasil until the end of August. I really don't want to miss out on having one last long weekend of 5 times a day sex, (not to mention that she has one of the greatest asses to ever come out of Brasil!) If I need to go back before August, I will just bite the financial bullet and make the trip happen, but I would rather wait.

Surely male workmates will get in line to assist her!

[QUOTE=Lorenzo; 1156754]Interesting news item:

[url]http://m24digital.com/en/2011/05/11/the-court-ruled-in-her-favor-and-now-she-can-masturbate-at-work/.[/url]

I wonder if the courts would allow the same leeway to you guys who work in Brazil. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bravo; 1156919]I was hoping the board could answer this one for me. About how long is the time period between the k1 Fiance interview at the embassy and the Issuance of the Visa? Is the visa issued right then and there or does it take a couple of months? Does the guy have to go to the interview with the girl or can she go by herself?

My absolute favorite GDP is going for her K1 interview in June at the US Embassy. Unfortunately, I am not scheduled to go back to Brasil until the end of August. I really don't want to miss out on having one last long weekend of 5 times a day sex, (not to mention that she has one of the greatest asses to ever come out of Brasil!) If I need to go back before August, I will just bite the financial bullet and make the trip happen, but I would rather wait. [/QUOTE]Take a look at visajourney dot com. It will be a great resource for you and I'm sure you'll find answers to all of your questions

Well, to answer my own question! LOL! I talked to two girls who went thru the process. They both said about a month to 6 weeks after the interview, they got their visas.

Hi Guys,

I wish to have some tips, I am a software engineer expert in web and integration.

Architectures, I definitely decided to try to live in brazil I will have to find

A job and I saw there is a lot of request but I know that from outside, now I live in ireland,

It is difficult, that's why I wish to stay there some months and try to find something,

I just wanted to know if someone could help me someway.

[QUOTE=Genio Della; 1158257]Hi Guys,

I wish to have some tips, I am a software engineer expert in web and integration.

Architectures, I definitely decided to try to live in brazil I will have to find

A job and I saw there is a lot of request but I know that from outside, now I live in ireland,

It is difficult, that's why I wish to stay there some months and try to find something,

I just wanted to know if someone could help me someway. [/QUOTE]The only advice I can give you about working in Brasil is to forget it! It is extremely difficult to work in Brasil as a gringo, better yet, make that impossible to work in brasil as a gringo! In 14 years of traveling to brasil, I know of only 2 americans to ever have a job in Brasil. One worked in Copa for 2 years for Lucent, the other works in SP.

Let me clear that up, I also know two other americans who worked in Rio, but they owned thier own rental agencies. John Thompson and Bobby! So 4 americans in 14 years.

Bravo,

I am not american but italian and I have a decent knowledge.

Of portugues, but I understand what you say.

[QUOTE=Bravo; 1158291]The only advice I can give you about working in Brasil is to forget it! It is extremely difficult to work in Brasil as a gringo, better yet, make that impossible to work in brasil as a gringo! In 14 years of traveling to brasil, I know of only 2 americans to ever have a job in Brasil. One worked in Copa for 2 years for Lucent, the other works in SP.

Let me clear that up, I also know two other americans who worked in Rio, but they owned thier own rental agencies. John Thompson and Bobby! So 4 americans in 14 years. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Genio Della; 1158351]Bravo,

I am not american but italian and I have a decent knowledge.

Of portugues, but I understand what you say. [/QUOTE]Your still a gringo! HAHAHAHA! Seriously, I think you will have the same level of difficulty as an American when it comes to finding employment in Brasil. I know plenty of IT guys (myself included) who thought it would be a piece of cake to find a gig in Brasil and they never were able to do it.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1158673]Your still a gringo! HAHAHAHA! Seriously, I think you will have the same level of difficulty as an American when it comes to finding employment in Brasil. I know plenty of IT guys (myself included) who thought it would be a piece of cake to find a gig in Brasil and they never were able to do it.[/QUOTE]It really is not hard to find the work; however, rates are about 1/5 of what they are in the US.

Actually there is TIM in italy and they have alof of jobs in brazil but I don't live in italy any longer,

Otherwise I would have joned them and asked to send me in Brazil maybe I couldn't make it,

But I know of many people who did so I don't see this incredible difficulty you speak about.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1158673]Your still a gringo! HAHAHAHA! Seriously, I think you will have the same level of difficulty as an American when it comes to finding employment in Brasil. I know plenty of IT guys (myself included) who thought it would be a piece of cake to find a gig in Brasil and they never were able to do it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1158737]It really is not hard to find the work; however, rates are about 1/5 of what they are in the US.[/QUOTE]This from the "Ëconomist" recently.

Managers with technical backgrounds are especially scarce in Brazil: big oil finds and infrastructure plans mean demand is soaring, but Brazil turns out just 35, 000 engineers a year, against India's 250, 000 and China's 400, 000.

Many firms are looking outside to fill top posts. But a high crime rate (São Paulo is far safer than it used to be, but still boasts a murder rate nearly double that of New York) and the need to master Portuguese put many foreigners off. And even big Brazilian companies may lack the international renown needed to entice the most ambitious.

Full article here:

[url]http://www.economist.com/node/18010831[/url]

[QUOTE=Beach Star; 1158822]This from the "Ëconomist" recently.

Managers with technical backgrounds are especially scarce in Brazil: big oil finds and infrastructure plans mean demand is soaring, but Brazil turns out just 35, 000 engineers a year, against India's 250, 000 and China's 400, 000.

Many firms are looking outside to fill top posts. But a high crime rate (São Paulo is far safer than it used to be, but still boasts a murder rate nearly double that of New York) and the need to master Portuguese put many foreigners off. And even big Brazilian companies may lack the international renown needed to entice the most ambitious.

Full article here:

[url]http://www.economist.com/node/18010831[/url][/QUOTE]I am very familiar with the head hunting firm, Dasein Executive Search. I think Bravo and Genio Della were discussing IT workers and the job prospects for them. Jobs for IT workers are available just not at a compensation level comparable to the US or Europe. Top CEOs are always in demand, especially when you have your ass in a sling.

There is a very famous brazillian job site called catho, here it's possible to see that java developers and architect are paid from 5000 reals to 10000 per month, so it's not too bad.

For Managers is a different matter rumors says that actually in Sao Paulo they are among the most well paid in the world.

What about this head hunting firm is it involved in finding job in brazil?

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1158983]I am very familiar with the head hunting firm, Dasein Executive Search. I think Bravo and Genio Della were discussing IT workers and the job prospects for them. Jobs for IT workers are available just not at a compensation level comparable to the US or Europe. Top CEOs are always in demand, especially when you have your ass in a sling.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1159733]Knowing that you've been to Rio for a long time, don't you think it was better on ho-beach in the early nineties than around 2001? I definitely think so.

Ho-beach 2011 is dead. Who knows, Ho-beach 2014-2016 might be like in the old times? [/QUOTE]I was in Rio 1980 to 1987 and then again 1997 to present. In the 80's I never remember just one place on the beach with a concentration of girls like Ho beach had at one time, it might have been there but I was not aware of it. I went to the beach usually in front of the hotel I happened to be staying at. For example if I stated at the Hotel California I went to the beach there and at night went to the Café next door La Maison to pick up girls as the Café had as many girls as did Meia Pataca did at one time.

Or if I stayed at The Rio Othon Palace I went to the beach across the street but didn't notice that it had any more girls than any other location on the beach, maybe this happened more towards the early 90's when Help became the focal point of Copacabana. Meia Pataca had girls and didn't seem to have any more than any other Café on the beach.

I used to stay at the Rio Palace (Sofitel) and at night went to the Café next door Pigalle. That Café was full of girls, just like La Maison and Mabs and Meia Pataca, they were all over the place.

But when I returned in 1997 everything seemed to be more concentrated around Meia Pataca, Ho beach and the Help area day and night with some activity at Mabs and across the street from Mabs at the beach.

In 1997 the dollar / Real was almost about 1 – 1, I found it very expensive but it is more expensive today. Also in 1997 I did not see many tourists / mongers similar to today but that changed as the dollar strengthened against the Real every year the dollar got stronger more and more tourists would come.

My last trip to Rio was the most expensive trip I have ever had, air fares are up, apartments are up, and restaurants are crazy with their prices. The only thing that was about the same or even less was the girls, paying less reais today then few years ago but maybe few more dollars.

Perhaps with the World Cup and the Olympics coming to town Ho beach will revitalize again but the exchange rate needs to be better to sustain this.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon;1160130]I was in Rio 1980 to 1987 and then again 1997 to present. In the 80's I never remember just one place on the beach with a concentration of girls like Ho beach had at one time, it might have been there but I was not aware of it. I went to the beach usually in front of the hotel I happened to be staying at. For example if I stated at the Hotel California I went to the beach there and at night went to the Café next door La Maison to pick up girls as the Café had as many girls as did Meia Pataca did at one time....[/QUOTE]Interesting, thank you.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1160130]I was in Rio 1980 to 1987 and then again 1997 to present. In 1997 the dollar / Real was almost about 1 – 1, I found it very expensive but it is more expensive today. Also in 1997 I did not see many tourists / mongers similar to today but that changed as the dollar strengthened against the Real every year the dollar got stronger more and more tourists would come.[/QUOTE]Cardoso came in and initiated the Real at par with the dollar (1995) after which it gradually went down to nearly 4:1 just before Lula was first elected. In 2002 and 2003 Brazil was a tremendous deal as everyone remembers. But, the early years of the real, I don't recall being especially expensive and the tourists were always coming. Except the bad times late '80s to '91 or so: the transition from Military Government was chaotic at times, we wouldn't go on the beach day or night and tourists were staying away from Rio. But things were still cheap. Now, is the most expensive I can remember since first coming in '85. From '92 on, there was always a big crowd of foreign guys in front of Help every night. Girls on the street and beach in the Lido section Princess Isabella early and mid-90s.

What months are the cheapest time of year to go to Rio? I means flight and hotel wise. I'm traveling from sf in the US.

Habitually it's cheaper in Winter (June, July, August).

I don't know for the flights but for sure the hotels are a lot cheaper on the North Litoral of São Paulo (sometimes it's even 45% less). I guess it's the same thing for Rio and the resorts near Rio.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1160531]What months are the cheapest time of year to go to Rio? I means flight and hotel wise. I'm traveling from sf in the US.[/QUOTE]If you think you are going to find cheap hotels or apartments in Rio anytime soon you can forget it. As for airfares, they do for the most part follow the season and are cheaper now than they have been. São Paulo is not going to be hosting the World Cup and Olympics and it does not have oil platforms right off its shores like Rio. If you are willing to stay in a hostel and eat at the cheapest places (not McDonald's where a Big Mac meal costs around $8.75) then you can still do Rio on a budget. Otherwise, even if you spend most of your time at the downtown casas it still is going to cost you.

What is the portugese word for "Flirt"? To say a person is flirting or to call someone a big flirt.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1160804]What is the portugese word for "Flirt"? To say a person is flirting or to call someone a big flirt.[/QUOTE]I believe it is flertar

[QUOTE=Bravo;1160804]What is the portugese word for "Flirt"? To say a person is flirting...[/QUOTE]I would say paquerar.

Last time in fortaleza a girl told me : quero namorar com voce.

So namorar is used even for flirting, but when a girls like you tells you : te quero, after some times he can become apasionada, and if you win her heart she can become namorada.

I am not so experienced so let's wait for some other to comment and maybe correct.

Ficar is often used to say I went with that boy and if she is a non pro girl can even mean : we only kissed.

Otherwise almost always means I had sex with him.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1160804]What is the portugese word for "Flirt"? To say a person is flirting or to call someone a big flirt.[/QUOTE]

I agree, this should be right translation.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1160842]I would say paquerar.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Albert Punter;1161483]I agree, this should be right translation.[/QUOTE]Paquerar is a conversation, with the intent of conquesting the girl, and beginning a relationship (hopefully leading to bed).

Namorar is already having a relationship.

Amisade colorida is a friendship, but occasionally also something more, sometimes to bed, without compromise

[QUOTE=Micpas; 1161533]Paquerar is a conversation, with the intent of conquesting the girl, and beginning a relationship (hopefully leading to bed).

Namorar is already having a relationship.

Amisade colorida is a friendship, but occasionally also something more, sometimes to bed, without compromise[/QUOTE]Amizade Colorida literally a Colorful Friendship:

"Amizade colorida.

Segundo o dicionáRio Houaiss, amizade colorida é um relacionamento amoroso e sexual, geralmente passageiro, sem compromisso de estabilidade ou fidelidade. Ou seja, é uma espécie de relação aberta them que pode existir uma intimidade física entre as pessoas, bem diferente de uma amizade tradicional — também chamada amizade preto-e-branco.

No Brasil, é um relacionamento mais típico das últimas theécadas, que descreve um relacionamento entre um homem e uma mulher (mas também pode ser aplicado a relacionamentos homossexuais) onde estes são amigos, mas também costumam another site algum tipo de relação de caráanother site romântico-sexual, sem que tenham realmente um compromisso de namoro"

Translation by Google, with a little clarification by me:

Colorful Friendship.

"According to the dictionary Houaiss, colorful friendship is a relationship of love and sex, usually, without compromising stability or loyalty. Namely, it is a kind of open intimate physical relationship that can exist between people, quite different from a traditional friendship. Also called friendship black and white.

In Brazil, it is a relationship more typical of recent decades, which describes a relationship between a man and a woman (but can also be applied to homosexual relationships) where they are friends, but also usually have some relationship to sexual-romantic character without having a real commitment to dating."

[url]http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amizade[/url]

Best know as "Friends with Benefits" here in the USA. BTW, the Dictionary Houaiss is one of the most sold dictionaries in Brazil per wiki.

Genio D:

If a girl told me : quero namorar com voce. I would understand that to mean: I want to start a relationship with you, leading to sex and (marriage. EEK!)

Flirt:

1: namoradeira, coquete. 2: movimento vivaz, arremesso, agitação. 3: sacudidela, meneio.

• vt+vi 1: flertar, namorar por passatempo, coquetear. 2: brincar com, divertir-se com, folgar. 3: mover, agitar rapidamente, lançar, adejar. 4: sacudir, saracotear, menear.

To flirt a fan: brincar com um leque.

To flirt with: interesse passageiro por algo.

[url]http://michaelis.uol.com.br/moderno/ingles/index.php?lingua=ingles-portugues&palavra=flirt[/url]

And:

Verb: flertar

Noun: namorador (a) m / f, paquerador (a) m / f.

[url]http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-portuguese/flirt/forced[/url]

Also anyone looking for an great online English-Portuguese, (and vice-versa) dictionary resource:

[url]http://www.lexilogos.com/english/portuguese_dictionary.htm[/url]

Lots of links.

Hello, EveryOne.

I am planning on a trip to Brazil but I don't know so much about the country so I thought I'the post a few questions here and hope for the best.

- When is the best time to visit Brazil?

- What places (cities) do you recommend? I'the like to stay in a town with a beach. And also what places do you recommend if one wants to have a good time with the girls in this city?

- My budget is around 3000 to 4500 US dollars. How long do you reckon I can stay in Brazil with this kind of money? (I want to stay in hotels of average class. If one can say so.)

I am very grateful for any advice / reply! Ciao.

These are my answers:

- it depends where you go. In north-east part where beautiful beaches are, any seaon is OK. Sao Paulo, Rio and South winter months (I. E. June. July and August) should be avoided as you won't enjoy beaches;

- as you want a seaside city: Fortaleza.

- more or less 10 days.

[QUOTE=Omeprazol; 1161844]Hello, EveryOne.

I am planning on a trip to Brazil but I don't know so much about the country so I thought I'the post a few questions here and hope for the best.

- When is the best time to visit Brazil?

- What places (cities) do you recommend? I'the like to stay in a town with a beach. And also what places do you recommend if one wants to have a good time with the girls in this city?

- My budget is around 3000 to 4500 US dollars. How long do you reckon I can stay in Brazil with this kind of money? (I want to stay in hotels of average class. If one can say so.)

I am very grateful for any advice / reply! Ciao. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Albert Punter; 1162146]These are my answers:

- it depends where you go. In north-east part where beautiful beaches are, any seaon is OK. Sao Paulo, Rio and South winter months (I. E. June. July and August) should be avoided as you won't enjoy beaches;

- as you want a seaside city: Fortaleza.

- more or less 10 days. [/QUOTE]Omeprazol, go for Albert's spot-on recommendations.

I know others have mentioned it before about high fares for the airlines I think this article may have part of the answer:

[url]http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2075717,00.html[/url]

I have been monitoring airfares lately and hoping they went down but instead they went up, American Airlines has gone up to about $2,400 RT, may be good if you have reais but with dollars I find this unrealistic.

For the same time period TAM has been holding at $972 with tax and fees, I figured with American and others going up in price that it wouldn't be long for Tam to follow so I bought the ticket. Last trip I paid $700 on American so this is a 40% increase. I guess if you want to play then you have to pay and pay and pay.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon;1164712]I have been monitoring airfares lately and hoping they went down but instead they went up, American Airlines has gone up to about $2,400 RT, may be good if you have reais but with dollars I find this unrealistic.[/QUOTE]Where are you flying from? I just checked American for a R / T in Sept 15-26, (cheaper to fly midweek,) ORD to GIG: $937usd on Tam, $1033 on US Airways, $1053usd on Continental and United, $1056 on American and Delta. $2390usd on Iberia.

[url]www.kayak.com[/url]

Amizade Colorida. Friends with benefits.

Paquerar. Flirt.

Flertar. Old portuguese. Same as paquerar.

Namorar / namorada. Having a relantioship with someone (girfriend)

BUT, in some cases namorar means to have sex / make love (politely) especially when you don't know the person enough to propose starting a relationship.

So if a girl tells you quero namorar (com) voce and you don't know her it means: I want to have sex with you

[QUOTE=Java Man; 1164761]Where are you flying from? I just checked American for a R / T in Sept 15-26, (cheaper to fly midweek,) ORD to GIG: $937usd on Tam, $1033 on US Airways, $1053usd on Continental and United, $1056 on American and Delta. $2390usd on Iberia.

[url]www.kayak.com[/url][/QUOTE]Yeah, using this site and airfare. Com Tam comes out a few dollars more for my high season timeframe but American is still as high but not shown on this chart.

Im taking the non-stop JFK-GIG $972 including tax and fees, this site has it as 1001 and cheap tickets has it at 1601.

What is the best airline to travel to brazil. I'm going to buy my ticket next week and I have been leaning toward aa. How is copa airlines? Any other recommendations. Aa is about 1700 round trip from sfo-gig. Copa is like 1500. If the plane is nice I don't mind paying more, I just don't want to be in a crappy plane for 10 hours

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon;1164712]I have been monitoring airfares lately and hoping they went down but instead they went up, American Airlines has gone up to about $2,400 RT, may be good if you have reais but with dollars I find this unrealistic.[/QUOTE]Damn first class. For that much money they should allow you to FLY the plane.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1164804]Damn first class. For that much money they should allow you to FLY the plane.[/QUOTE]Last week business class on American was only $500 more than coach, business was $2600 RT. But now its about 3500, I was tempted last week to buy the 2600 business class ticket.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1164798]What is the best airline to travel to brazil. I'm going to buy my ticket next week and I have been leaning toward aa. How is copa airlines? Any other recommendations. Aa is about 1700 round trip from sfo-gig. Copa is like 1500. If the plane is nice I don't mind paying more, I just don't want to be in a crappy plane for 10 hours[/QUOTE]

I have never taken Copa but I hear it is bad, I believe they stop in Panama? If they do then I believe that the planes are not even wide bodies, they are 737's, do you want to fly all the way down to Rio in a 737? forget them.

I believe that TAM is the best airline as far as price / service and schedule and Hot Brazilian flight attendents..

Try to get to JFK and take the non stop JFK to GIG, it arrives at 5:30 am or go to Miami they have a flight out of Miami.

Unless you are into airframes, the 737's are not that bad IMHO. There are a lot less people on the plane. I've been flying with them for years, the best part are the numerous class upgrades I've received through my travels with them. Coach class isn't so bad either, at least they keep you fed and cocktails are a nice way to neutralize any seat discomfort you may have. The airport in PTY is a nice place to do some last minute shopping on their Duty Free, it's really nice getting some good stuff to consume while on the go. My last purchase for a roundtrip fare was in November from LAX to GIG and 3 out of the 4 legs I got moved from coach to business class. The fare was $756 USD. I'd say not a bad deal. But that was just before the damned "Fuel surcharges" went into effect.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1164807]I have never taken Copa but I hear it is bad, I believe they stop in Panama? If they do then I believe that the planes are not even wide bodies, they are 737's, do you want to fly all the way down to Rio in a 737? Forget them.

I believe that TAM is the best airline as far as price / service and schedule and Hot Brazilian flight attendents.

Try to get to JFK and take the non stop JFK to GIG, it arrives at 5:30 am or go to Miami they have a flight out of Miami. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon;1164807]I have never taken Copa but I hear it is bad, I believe they stop in Panama? If they do then I believe that the planes are not even wide bodies, they are 737's, do you want to fly all the way down to Rio in a 737? forget them.[/QUOTE]The seat that you are in is going to be the same size whether 737 or 767, so the size of the plane is moot. And yes, Copa definitely stops in Panama.

Not if one is flying First or Business Class. Sangue Bon's $2400usd R / T JFK. GIG is for business class. I did not realize that immediately. DOH!

Double that airfare for first class on American. $9600 to $12000usd on TAM first class!

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1164798]What is the best airline to travel to brazil. I'm going to buy my ticket next week and I have been leaning toward aa. How is copa airlines? Any other recommendations. Aa is about 1700 round trip from sfo-gig. Copa is like 1500. If the plane is nice I don't mind paying more, I just don't want to be in a crappy plane for 10 hours[/QUOTE]American out of Dallas might be OK, but if you have to go through Miami International Airport, I would avoid that at all cost. I despise the Miami airport. Confusing signage (or none at all when there should be some) , long, looooong walks from one part of the airport to another, uncomfortable departure lounges, etc. I hate the place and actively avoid it. I have been to many, many airports around the world, and Miami's is one of the worst I've passed through. It's a zoo in there! Copa is the primary international carrier operating out of Panama, which means that you'd have to stop in Panama City. It's an OK airline, but I always prefer non-stops if I can get them.

[QUOTE=Java Man; 1164951]Not if one is flying First or Business Class. Sangue Bon's $2400usd R / T JFK. GIG is for business class. I did not realize that immediately. DOH!

Double that airfare for first class on American. $9600 to $12000usd on TAM first class! [/QUOTE]

Sorry that I wasn't clear that $2400 is coach not bus class on AA, if it was bus class it would have been a good price and I wouldn't complain.


[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1164876]Unless you are into airframes, the 737's are not that bad IMHO. There are a lot less people on the plane. I've been flying with them for years, the best part are the numerous class upgrades I've received through my travels with them. [/QUOTE]

Thanks for the report now I know better, I never flew them but I spoke to a Doctor once in Rio who did and she didn't like it, but it sounds OK. I had another friend who complained about the 737 but you're all right, less people and same seat size, why does it matter.

[QUOTE=The Cane;1164991]American out of Dallas might be OK, but if you have to go through Miami International Airport, I would avoid that at all cost. I despise the Miami airport. Confusing signage (or none at all when there should be some) , long, looooong walks from one part of the airport to another, uncomfortable departure lounges, etc. I hate the place and actively avoid it. I have been to many, many airports around the world, and Miami's is one of the worst I've passed through. It's a zoo in there! Copa is the primary international carrier operating out of Panama, which means that you'd have to stop in Panama City. It's an OK airline, but I always prefer non-stops if I can get them.[/QUOTE]American flies one of its 767's from DFW to GIG 2 or 3 times a week - non stop. But, all of these airline prices are simply getting sky high, pun intended.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon;1165002]Sorry that I wasn't clear that $2400 is coach not bus class on AA, if it was bus class it would have been a good price and I wouldn't complain.[/QUOTE]$2400usd for coach? Not to pry, but is / was this a last minute decision to fly to Rio? And leaving on a weekend? Just wondering why it's so high.

[QUOTE=Java Man;1165115]$2400usd for coach? Not to pry, but is / was this a last minute decision to fly to Rio? And leaving on a weekend? Just wondering why it's so high.[/QUOTE]Right around Carnaval time so no not last minute, I didn't buy it I bought Tam instead at $972. That was for American Airlines, they have a good flight non-stop from JFK but their price is unrealistic.

Anyone have any recommendations on Brazil dating sites where I have a reasonable chance of meeting non-professional (not garota de programa) girls?

I have heard of Brazil Cupid. Jdate doesn't operate in Brazil, and I don't know how good Match. Com is. Any suggestions?

I'm getting a bit tired of fishing in the pool of terma / private chicks. Wondered if online would be a better way to meet "normal" girls. Students, careers, etc.

Me: living in Rio since October, good Porto, exec with an internet company here in Copa.

I'm not big on clubbing etc. I have had reasonable experiences in the USA with Match, etc.

Thanks!

-Cartman

Today is Dia dos Namorados. Be good to your girlfriends and send them some kisses.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1165465]Anyone have any recommendations on Brazil dating sites where I have a reasonable chance of meeting non-professional (not garota de programa) girls?

I have heard of Brazil Cupid. Jdate doesn't operate in Brazil, and I don't know how good Match. Com is. Any suggestions?

I'm getting a bit tired of fishing in the pool of terma / private chicks. Wondered if online would be a better way to meet "normal" girls. Students, careers, etc.

Me: living in Rio since October, good Porto, exec with an internet company here in Copa.

I'm not big on clubbing etc. I have had reasonable experiences in the USA with Match, etc.

Thanks!

-Cartman[/QUOTE]Latin American Cupid was always my favorite because there is a selection of women from all over the world and there is a bigger pool. For instance at this very moment on Brazil Cupid there are 227 women online. On Latin American Cupid there are 947 women online.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1165465]Anyone have any recommendations on Brazil dating sites where I have a reasonable chance of meeting non-professional (not garota de programa) girls?

I have heard of Brazil Cupid. Jdate doesn't operate in Brazil, and I don't know how good Match. Com is. Any suggestions?

Thanks!

-Cartman[/QUOTE]Have you tried LatinEuro or ParPerfeito?

[QUOTE=Poucolouco;1165558]Have you tried LatinEuro or ParPerfeito?[/QUOTE]No. Never heard of them before. Are they the large Brazil online dating sites?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1165528]Latin American Cupid was always my favorite because there is a selection of women from all over the world and there is a bigger pool. For instance at this very moment on Brazil Cupid there are 227 women online. On Latin American Cupid there are 947 women online.[/QUOTE]Sure but they are part of the same company / network. I am pretty sure the BrazilCupid members are a subset of the LatAm ones. So it doesn't help me if LatAm has more women outside of Brazil / Rio. I am looking for a good online dating site with women in Rio, where I live. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

I did check Plenty Of Fish and the selection in Rio seemed super weak. Anyone have experience with Match. Com down here?

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1165565]No. Never heard of them before. Are they the large Brazil online dating sites?[/QUOTE]Latineuro is registered in Miami, Florida and I believe Parperfeito has some connection with Match. Com. You can experiment to see if they offer what you are looking for without registering or making a commitment. If you don't like them, move on.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1165567]I did check Plenty Of Fish and the selection in Rio seemed super weak. Anyone have experience with Match. Com down here?[/QUOTE]I used Match. Com from 2004 to 2009 and had luck with it and I only visited Rio twice a year. If you live in Rio then you should do very well. Most of the women I met were educated lovely ladies who were looking for serious relationships or so they said. I had a lot of fun with it and may do it again but was a lot of work for me especially because I didn't live in Rio so I had to act fast.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1165565]Are they the large Brazil online dating sites?[/QUOTE]Par Perfeito is.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1165567]Sure but they are part of the same company / network. I am pretty sure the BrazilCupid members are a subset of the LatAm ones. So it doesn't help me if LatAm has more women outside of Brazil / Rio. I am looking for a good online dating site with women in Rio, where I live. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

I did check Plenty Of Fish and the selection in Rio seemed super weak. Anyone have experience with Match. Com down here? [/QUOTE]Plenty of Fish is very weak. Parfeito didn't seem user friendly to me at all so I let it fall by the wayside. On Brazil Cupid and Latin American Cupid you can make a profile and do a search for Rio and judge from that without paying. In my experience the same women do not use both sites. And I have met many more in Rio from Latin American Cupid (more than 20) than from Brazil Cupid (maybe 2 or 3).

5:26 pm tuesday, june 14, 2011.

by greg bluestein

the associated press

atlanta — four brazilian women sued an american fishing tour operator on tuesday, claiming that he coerced them with alcohol, drugs and the promise of money to perform sex acts with tourists on his boat along the amazon.

the federal complaint targets richard schair, a georgia man who until 2009 operated the wet-a-line tours. it contends he recruited the four **** brazilians and others from an impoverished community and duped them into performing sex acts on him and his customers, who were often affluent american travelers.

schair told the associated press he is innocent and that the claims originated in a "quest by a competitor to ruin me" but declined further comment.

the lawsuit in federal court in north georgia was brought by four unnamed plaintiffs who said they were between 12 and 17 when the sex acts took place. it was filed by attorneys from atlanta law firm king & spalding and coordinated by equality now, a human rights group.

"with this lawsuit, we hope to shine a spotlight on such conduct and the real harm it does to the victims, and to get justice for the victims," said john harbin, the attorney who filed the complaint.

schair began operating the tours in 1998, and eventually began running weeklong trips along rivers and basin aboard his boat, the amazon santana. he began to actively recruit "sex tourism" customers from the usa to come on the tours, and many of his clients were wealthy americans, the lawsuit said.

but the fishing expeditions gave way to wild parties that involved **** girls, drugs and sex, the complaint said. schair sent fishing guides and other employees into the community of autazes and a nightclub along the amazon to recruit young girls and buy drugs. in return, it said, they were paid a "modest" sum of money.

"the girls, including the plaintiffs, were impoverished and the possibility of earning money on the boat was a significant inducement," the lawsuit said.

one of the girls said she was 12 when she was persuaded to come aboard the boat, and then forced to have sex. another plaintiff said she refused to have sex with a passenger on the boat when she was 16, but then returned about a year later and this time was forced to use drugs and have sex.

taina bien-aimé, the executive director of equality now, said she hopes the lawsuit sends a message to suspected sex tour operators "that sex trafficking victims anywhere can bring a case against those who exploit them by pressing for damages in the usa"

[quote=mr enternational; 1166274]four brazilian women sued an american fishing tour operator on tuesday, claiming that he coerced them with alcohol, drugs and the promise of money to perform sex acts with tourists on his boat along the amazon.

the federal complaint targets richard schair, a georgia man who until 2009 operated the wet-a-line tours. it contends he recruited the four **** brazilians and others from an impoverished community and duped them into performing sex acts on him and his customers, who were often affluent american travelers. [/quote]the right thing would be to lock up schair and his clients in a brazilian prison. they would quickly get what they deserve.

Hi.

I am going to try my first terma next week. The general feedback from chaps with similar interests seems to be Luomo for a non-portuguese speaking gringo. Any views on this? If anyone is at a loose end next Friday pm me!

I am also going to hit a Privee on Rua Branco. 181 seems a decent bet. But the website shows an address elsewhere (R. The Conceição. 19. Centro). Which is the right place?

Any pointers welcome.

Cheers.

Mark

[QUOTE=MarkPrivate; 1166870]Hi.

I am going to try my first terma next week. The general feedback from chaps with similar interests seems to be Luomo for a non-portuguese speaking gringo. Any views on this? If anyone is at a loose end next Friday pm me!

I am also going to hit a Privee on Rua Branco. 181 seems a decent bet. But the website shows an address elsewhere (R. The Conceição. 19. Centro). Which is the right place?

Any pointers welcome.

Cheers.

Mark[/QUOTE]I walked in to the place to check out the line up in person as oppossed to just relying on the pictures online. There really was not a garota that caught my attention and make me pull the trigger. So I walked out. The place did look clean and oraganized, but thats about it.

[QUOTE=MarkPrivate; 1166870]Hi.

I am going to try my first terma next week. The general feedback from chaps with similar interests seems to be Luomo for a non-portuguese speaking gringo. Any views on this? If anyone is at a loose end next Friday pm me!

I am also going to hit a Privee on Rua Branco. 181 seems a decent bet. But the website shows an address elsewhere (R. The Conceição. 19. Centro). Which is the right place?

Any pointers welcome.

Cheers.

Mark[/QUOTE]Monte Carlo is a better 1st-time English-speaking experience, IMHO.

[QUOTE=Mangera;1166931]I walked in to the place to check out the line up in person as oppossed to just relying on the pictures online. There really was not a garota that caught my attention and make me pull the trigger.[/QUOTE]Mangera, if Juliana don't pull your trigger I promise I will jump from Cristo Redentor.
[url]http://www.novamassagem.com/juliana/index.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1167026]Mangera, if Juliana don't pull your trigger I promise I will jump from Cristo Redentor.

[url]http://www.novamassagem.com/juliana/index.htm[/url][/QUOTE]She was not in the line up, must have been busy or not there on that day. I actually was looking forward to seeing Isabelle, but the gerente told me she has been out this week due to a cold. She gave me a card with the casa's number to call early next week to check and see if Isabelle is working.

As for the rest of the line up, in camparison to other places like Flavia's, it's not the same quality as far as appearances go. As far as service, I really can't comment, cause I have not partaken in Casa 19.

But once Isabelle gets back or if Juliana catches my eye, I will get a taste and let you know.

[QUOTE=Mangera; 1167110]She was not in the line up, must have been busy or not there on that day. I actually was looking forward to seeing Isabelle, but the gerente told me she has been out this week due to a cold. She gave me a card with the casa's number to call early next week to check and see if Isabelle is working.

As for the rest of the line up, in camparison to other places like Flavia's, it's not the same quality as far as appearances go. As far as service, I really can't comment, cause I have not partaken in Casa 19.

But once Isabelle gets back or if Juliana catches my eye, I will get a taste and let you know. [/QUOTE]Juliana is just fantastic imo. She's one of the first ones on my shopping list for my next visit.

Isabella must be quite a new girl. Some of the girls that worked there before the casa moved are not longer on their site; Rafaela, Samara and Livia. Maybe they have gone down in quality since they moved?

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1167142]Juliana is just fantastic imo. She's one of the first ones on my shopping list for my next visit.

Isabella must be quite a new girl. Some of the girls that worked there before the casa moved are not longer on their site; Rafaela, Samara and Livia. Maybe they have gone down in quality since they moved? [/QUOTE]Samara has moved to BelPrazer which is the same owner. Julina is just so cute, lovely face!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1167177]Samara has moved to BelPrazer which is the same owner. Julina is just so cute, lovely face![/QUOTE]Juliana is so cute that it's [b]almost[/b] a shame to f**k her. So sweet, like a pudim de leite. If I didn't go fore 30 minutes sessions with her I would just like to look at her face for hours. Definitely a girl that have to be repeated several times (which I rarely do with GP's).

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1167177]Samara has moved to BelPrazer which is the same owner. Julina is just so cute, lovely face![/QUOTE]I saw her yesterday at Bel Prazer. Nice tall gal. But I went with another. Maybe I will give her a spin some time next week.

Now I am intrigued by this juliana gal. Going to have to go back to Casal 19 to make a point of seeing her face too. I promise to report fellas.

[QUOTE=Mangera; 1167190]I saw her yesterday at Bel Prazer. Nice tall gal. But I went with another. Maybe I will give her a spin some time next week.

Now I am intrigued by this juliana gal. Going to have to go back to Casal 19 to make a point of seeing her face too. I promise to report fellas. [/QUOTE]Juliana is unquestionably beautiful. She is very petite, white skinned Morena, very cute. Personally I can see the beauty but she is not my type. So if you like petite women you will like her. If you like a more robust women probably won't suit you.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1167177]Samara has moved to BelPrazer which is the same owner. Julina is just so cute, lovely face![/QUOTE]Bel Prazer and Casa 19 share the same owner.

Emporio do banho (Centro- Rua do Rosario. 135) and Duda Massagens share same owner.

Rio Lux and Equipe Flavia's as well.

In the closing minute of the FIFA Women's World Cup extra time, with Brazil up 2-1 on some questionable officiating, a Brazilian player suddenly goes down obviously faking an injury to break the US Team's momentum and run out the clock. As she is taken off the field, she springs up from the stretcher and sprints back into the game. In one of the calls they got right, the officials put 3 minutes back on the clock. As that time is running down the US scores a dramatic goal to tie the game at 2-2 and send it into a kick-off. The US closes out the win by striking 5 goals to Brazil's 3.

Marta, the Brazilian star, is a world-class player. You can't help but admire her talent and effort. Too bad she is on a team that found it necessary to try to pull one with so many people watching. The American women, who were playing down a player because of red flag, never gave up and demonstrated incredible conditioning and spirit.

an auction to build a major high-speed rail link between brazil's two main cities, sao paulo and rio, has failed to attract any bidders. the head of brazil's national agency of terrestrial transport (antt) , bernardo figueiredo, put the blame for monday's failed auction on national construction firms.

after the auction was delayed in november 2010 and again in april 2011 due to lack of interest, dilma rousseff pressed ahead on monday in the apparent hope that at least one consortium of foreign or local companies would present a bid.

bidding for the project, estimated to cost 38bn reais (£15bn; $24bn) , will now be split into two stages.

officials say work will start in 2013 but is unlikely to be complete by 2016.

looks like another reprieve for vila mimosa.

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-14118028[/url]

[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/11/brazil-train-idusn1e76a1at20110711?feedtype=rss&feedname=marketsnews[/url]

I find it interesting that Rio is closing places like Help and 4x4 but yet they are interested in becoming the worlds capital of gay tourism:

[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2011/jul/11/rio-de-janeiro-gay-tourism[/url]

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1176128]I find it interesting that Rio is closing places like Help and 4x4 but yet they are interested in becoming the worlds capital of gay tourism:

[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2011/jul/11/rio-de-janeiro-gay-tourism[/url][/QUOTE]Do you expect logic in the politics of Brasil? While the Guardian reports on the promotion of gay tourism in Rio, there is a movement in the Brasilian congress to change the law which bans violent acts against homophobia. Initially, evangelicals tried to repeal the law but they have now fallen back to a proposal to change the law so it will include language stating that homosexuality is a sin. Some of the arguments even asserted that the number 122 of the law. 122/06 had been demonized. I guess someone was practicing Macumba here. To date, the congress is still debating the outcome.

Young Brazilian men drilled in the ass than the same happening to women? I guess when they elected her to lead them, they had no idea what they were getting themselves into. There were plenty of warning signs by the way, its not like they did not know she was going to screw things up. I just can't wait what the next Samba "Queen" for one or several of their Samba Schools is going to look like. The up chuck reflex is just unbearable.

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1176128]I find it interesting that Rio is closing places like Help and 4x4 but yet they are interested in becoming the worlds capital of gay tourism:

[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2011/jul/11/rio-de-janeiro-gay-tourism[/url][/QUOTE]

In America, if your wife has a baby while you two are married, you are financialy responsible for the kid until that child turns 21. Even if you take a DNA test to prove its not your kid, the state will still make you pay! I was wondering if the law is the same in Brasil. I have a buddy who was married a few years ago to a carioca, she became pregnant and had a baby. After the baby was born, they got divorced and he came back to the states. I heard from a couple of the guys who live in Brasil that the baby wasnt his and that is why he left her and went back to the states. I have seen pictuures of the baby and I will say if it is his kid, than the mother has the strongest genes in the world because the baby looks NOTHING like him. He has never said anything about whether he is the father or not, I just put two and two together.

Thru a mutual friend, I heard she just started a lawsuit in Brasil to try and claim 8 years of child support. She said they have some sort of lawsuit that the brasilian consulate can give to the American consulate and they will seize his passport and his wages until he pays up. (I have never heard of this before). If he takes a DNA test and it shows it isn't his baby will he be free of the drama? Or will the courts make him pay because they were married when the baby was born?

[QUOTE=Bravo;1177924]Thru a mutual friend, I heard she just started a lawsuit in Brasil to try and claim 8 years of child support. She said they have some sort of lawsuit that the brasilian consulate can give to the American consulate and they will seize his passport and his wages until he pays up. (I have never heard of this before).[/QUOTE]Legal Tender posted this in the Philippines thread last month:

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1165793]"International child support cases in the United States are currently handled under bilateral federal-level arrangements or informal arrangements between individual USA states and foreign countries. Section 459A of the Social Security Act n13 outlines the conditions which must be met before the United States will enter into an agreement to enforce child support obligations for a resident of another country. Generally, the other country must have procedures in place and available to USA residents (or commit to establishing such procedures) that would enable the foreign country to establish and enforce child support obligations, including the establishment of paternity, collect and distribute child support payments, and provide any necessary legal or other services at no cost. Also, the foreign country must designate a central authority to facilitate international cases. The Office of Child Support Enforcement (OCSE) of the Department of Health and Human Services is the central USA authority for international child support. N14 The United States currently has federal reciprocity arrangements with fifteen foreign jurisdictions n15 and negotiations are underway with approximately ten more countries. Many countries do not provide free legal services in all child support cases and do not establish paternity as part of a child support case. N16 Consequently, the United States has no federal-level child support agreement with those countries."

38 Int'l Law. 493.

As of this date, the following countries (or Canadian provinces) have [*71606] been designated foreign reciprocating countries:

Country Effective date.

Australia May 21, 2001.

Canadian Provinces:

Alberta Sept. 4,2002.

British Columbia Dec. 15, 1999.

Manitoba July 11, 2000.

Newfoundland / Labrador August 7, 2002.

Nova Scotia Dec. 18, 1998.

Ontario August 7, 2002.

Czech Republic May 3, 2000.

Ireland Sept. 10, 1997.

Netherlands May 1, 2002.

Norway June 10, 2002.

Poland June 14, 1999.

Portugal. Mar. 17, 2001.

Slovak Republic. Feb. 1,1998.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bravo; 1177924]In America, if your wife has a baby while you two are married, you are financialy responsible for the kid until that child turns 21. Even if you take a DNA test to prove its not your kid, the state will still make you pay! I was wondering if the law is the same in Brasil. I have a buddy who was married a few years ago to a carioca, she became pregnant and had a baby. After the baby was born, they got divorced and he came back to the states. I heard from a couple of the guys who live in Brasil that the baby wasnt his and that is why he left her and went back to the states. I have seen pictuures of the baby and I will say if it is his kid, than the mother has the strongest genes in the world because the baby looks NOTHING like him. He has never said anything about whether he is the father or not, I just put two and two together.

Thru a mutual friend, I heard she just started a lawsuit in Brasil to try and claim 8 years of child support. She said they have some sort of lawsuit that the brasilian consulate can give to the American consulate and they will seize his passport and his wages until he pays up. (I have never heard of this before). If he takes a DNA test and it shows it isn't his baby will he be free of the drama? Or will the courts make him pay because they were married when the baby was born?[/QUOTE]I have experience going through an international divorce, and it was very, very fucking ugly. Please note that my ex was from the EU, and the rules of the game may differ in Brasil. Nevertheless, I can only hope that your friend has a packed war chest. Does she have a USA Passport and / or VISA? If so, he must prepare for the possibility of fighting on two fronts.

It would be advisable to hire an attorney in Brasil. Certainly, bring up the DNA matter. If possible, have the ex tested multiple times.

The "in the interest of the child" payments do not apply in Brasil. However, that does not mean she cannot pursue the matter in USA Courts. If your buddy has been supplying monetary support for an extended period of time, the USA Courts may favor her in continuance of payments. Be advised.

If I remember correctly, the Dept. Of State has a list of countries that reciprocate USA alimony laws. I do not remember Brasil on that list; however, please double check, as it was over 10 years ago when I last viewed the materials.

Contact the USA Consulate or Embassy in Brasil for advice. They should have experience in such matters. Onc can also confirm if alimony reciprocity exists.

There is nothing like dealing with a jaded and evil ex-wife. He needs to hit hard, and shut her down ASAP. Best wishes for your buddy.

UPDATE: While writing, Mr. E. posted the countries below.

[QUOTE=Amerioca; 1177956]I have experience going through an international divorce, and it was very, very fucking ugly. Please note that my ex was from the EU, and the rules of the game may differ in Brasil. Nevertheless, I can only hope that your friend has a packed war chest. Does she have a USA Passport and / or VISA? If so, he must prepare for the possibility of fighting on two fronts.

It would be advisable to hire an attorney in Brasil. Certainly, bring up the DNA matter. If possible, have the ex tested multiple times.

The "in the interest of the child" payments do not apply in Brasil. However, that does not mean she cannot pursue the matter in USA Courts. If your buddy has been supplying monetary support for an extended period of time, the USA Courts may favor her in continuance of payments. Be advised.

If I remember correctly, the Dept. Of State has a list of countries that reciprocate USA alimony laws. I do not remember Brasil on that list; however, please double check, as it was over 10 years ago when I last viewed the materials.

Contact the USA Consulate or Embassy in Brasil for advice. They should have experience in such matters. Onc can also confirm if alimony reciprocity exists.

There is nothing like dealing with a jaded and evil ex-wife. He needs to hit hard, and shut her down ASAP. Best wishes for your buddy.

UPDATE: While writing, Mr. E. Posted the countries below.[/QUOTE]Nope, she does not and never has had a visa for the states. I don't even think she owns a passport. As far as I know, he has never sent a single penny in support for the kid. As far as I know, once he got divorced, he left brasil and never returned. Every 6 months or so, she sends him an email asking for money and he tells her that he doesn't think the kid is his but he doesn't want to fly to brasil to take a DNA test to confirm it. The kid looks nothing like him, but I have seen enough episodes of Maury to know that this means nothing. LOL!

Does anyone know of any place, a sports bar of some sort, in Rio that shows the NFL games? Please do not mention the Irish Pub. During NFL season they silence the games so that you can hear the dumbass duo or trio that every year seem not to understand the crowds encouraging "Shut the F*ck up" yells and it happens every game, every year including playoffs! I know they don't try that garbage during soccer games, because they are still breathing. Any sport bar would do. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1179238]Does anyone know of any place, a sports bar of some sort, in Rio that shows the NFL games? Please do not mention the Irish Pub. During NFL season they silence the games so that you can hear the dumbass duo or trio that every year seem not to understand the crowds encouraging "Shut the F*ck up" yells and it happens every game, every year including playoffs! I know they don't try that garbage during soccer games, because they are still breathing. Any sport bar would do. Thanks.[/QUOTE]The Marriott on Avenida Atlantica in Copa had NFL playoff games when I was in Rio January. I am not sure what they have on Sundays during the regular season. It could a limited selection of what games are available. I am not sure if they carry all the games on Sunday. But, it is worth looking into. They for sure have Monday night football as a friend of mine wartched those games there in the past.

I've Seen many a NFL game and SuperBowl at the JW Marriott, Balcony, and Mud Bug, (There are two: Rua Paula Freitas. 55 and across from the Copa Palace, (on the east side.) Seen, as the games are broadcast in Portuguese. Games televised were the Sunday and Monday night games, maybe Thursday night too. If you want to hear it in English, best bet is the cable TV in your apartment or hotel via SAP. Games are televised on espn2 or band channel. Since Mud Bug closes at 12a, I'd head over to Balcony to watch the fourth quarter.

If a girl invites : Vamos p sampa

What does that mean?

[QUOTE=Ghost1506; 1182628]If a girl invites : Vamos p sampa

What does that mean?[/QUOTE]Probably means vamos para Sao Paulo. 'Let's go to Sao Paulo. '

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1182702]Probably means vamos para Sao Paulo. 'Let's go to Sao Paulo. '[/QUOTE]Definitely means Let's go to Sao Paulo.

Sampa. Sao Paulo.

Belo. Belo Horizonte.

Curita. Curitiba.

Floripa. Florianopolis

[QUOTE=Ghost1506; 1182628]If a girl invites : Vamos p sampa

What does that mean?[/QUOTE]Now that we have told you what it means, please tell us how/where you got this invitation. I am always looking for a nice girl who likes to hang out but also likes sex, cause I have no absolutely, positively, no problem sponsoring a normal girl to travel Brasil with me if she seems low risk and provides natural gfe sex. A plane ticket, food and incidentals for a normal girl costs much less than a weekend doing putas. Especially as compared with a Sunday in Rio, when the options are basically just high priced ripoff termas. For the cost of a session and drinks at L'uomo, I could buy a civilian girl a plane ticket and nice meals and probably get better sex. If you have that opportunity, go for it.

I am greek recidence and holder of a Greek passport so I don't need a visa for entering brazil.

I have the return leg of my sao paolo-rome-athens air ticket and I will be fly on October.

Alitalia ina thens said me that they don't let me pass through check-in because I don't have a return ticket.

I am thinking to buy a cheap condor air ticket (salvador-frankfurt for 299 euros)

Do you think with this I can resolve this problem?

As for the bars and clubs in lapa, is it easy to pick up on girls without knowing any porto? Are there a lot of tourists in lapa. I know Americans are top of the food chain when we visit brazil, but does that make it easy to pick up on regular girls? What is the vibe of lapa etc?

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1184149]As for the bars and clubs in lapa, is it easy to pick up on girls without knowing any porto? Are there a lot of tourists in lapa. I know Americans are top of the food chain when we visit brazil, but does that make it easy to pick up on regular girls? What is the vibe of lapa etc?[/QUOTE]The only food chain that Americans are at the top of is the Gravy Train for GDPs. Sure, there are other tourists visiting Lapa and I have had luck connecting with some of them, particularly Australians, but as far as non-pro Brazilian women are concerned, if you do not speak Portuguese you are dog food. That said, certainly there are non-pros in Brazil who speak English. Good luck with those too.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1184149]As for the bars and clubs in lapa, is it easy to pick up on girls without knowing any porto? Are there a lot of tourists in lapa. I know Americans are top of the food chain when we visit brazil, but does that make it easy to pick up on regular girls? What is the vibe of lapa etc?[/QUOTE]If you are a fantastic dancer maybe yes. But some degree of Porto is very helpful in Lapa. These are not the trendy mega-educated women you find in Centro or even Rio Sul. Just regular girls out for a night out. There are only a few p4ps and they are mostly pretty much the sort of character that makes Mimosa look like a luxury escort venue. As to being top of the food chain, I'm not quite with you there. Lapa's not really that big on 'money talks' if that's what you mean. The main thing is to learn the body language, dress like locals do, and don't talk in a loud voice.

A story in case it helps. My wingman (half-American) picked up a couple of gorgeous American ladies at Maracana during a football match one day and arranges a double date (without consulting me LOL, but they were indeed gorgeous). I'd already planned to go to a rave on the north side of town, a place like gold-dust that a gdp-freebie had given me a heads-up on. Awesome warehouse, light show, music all night. It's really not the girls' scene when we get there so we get a taxi all the way back to Lapa. As a) it's open, and b) everyone likes Lapa. We go into a cool dimly-lit club. Dancefloor and bar is hot and buzzing. My wingman already knows that a 'round' of drinks is a *single* large bottle of beer shared round several plastic cups. (Buying people drinks is a put down if you do it in a way they can't afford to buy drinks back). We're totally chilled with the guys and girls there and our less-than-great Porto is ok for bar chat. But something is not quite right. Check it out. The girls are tall, blonde, skinny, sunglasses and designer shoes. They do that thing that when they walk into a room everyone knows they are the most important people in the room. Great dancers, lovely girls, but that is just not the Brasilian way. We ask them if it's maybe time to get a taxi. They think we are all getting one together. But we open the door, let them in, and shut it again bidding them a cheery goodnight. When we go back into the club, it's like rejoining family. Family who have felt too left out to be really close and warm before. Who wouldn't, with when faced with Ms-Rich-Kid x 2? Now we can relax. The guys are filling our plastic cups, the girls are dispensing with the Anglo-American body distance and getting nice and close while they talk. Now although my wingman was brilliant at pulling fabulous women, I came to Brasil to be with Brasilians. Not Sex-and-the-City.types. By dumping them, we'd made our position clear. We'd rather be with Brasilians. Their way, their country, rather than acting as we would at home only with cheap beer. That kind of sincerity goes a good way sometimes with Brasilians (I don't mean gdps. They'll always be one step ahead!)

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1184167]The only food chain that Americans are at the top of is the Gravy Train for GDPs. Sure, there are other tourists visiting Lapa and I have had luck connecting with some of them, particularly Australians, but as far as non-pro Brazilian women are concerned, if you do not speak Portuguese you are dog food. That said, certainly there are non-pros in Brazil who speak English. Good luck with those too.[/QUOTE]You said it rather more concisely than I did!

As for non-pros that speak good English (or even those that don't) I've found "I'm staying in Copa" translates in their ears as "I'm a dirty monger that has come to Rio to shag as many women-for-money as I can." Any address is generally better than Copa when chatting to Carioca non-pros. Sure you can talk your way out of it, but Centro, Leme, Ipanema sounds much better. Bota is mega-cool! .

[QUOTE=Christopherd; 1184178]You said it rather more concisely than I did!

As for non-pros that speak good English (or even those that don't) I've found "I'm staying in Copa" translates in their ears as "I'm a dirty monger that has come to Rio to shag as many women-for-money as I can." Any address is generally better than Copa when chatting to Carioca non-pros. Sure you can talk your way out of it, but Centro, Leme, Ipanema sounds much better. Bota is mega-cool! .[/QUOTE]You offered a great lesson and advice to those really wanting to make points with the locals. Recently I was in Mexico on business and heard over and over again how I wasn't like other gringos. I attributed it to how much time I spend in Brazil. I do not agree with everything that goes on here, but I do try to go with the flow. That doesn't mean I have stopped telling every kid I see throwing their candy wrappers in the street that a trash receptacle is just a few steps away or that I haven't been known to hit a few people with shopping carts when I was nice enough to leave room and they cut in front of me. It just means I bite my tongue most times I think of saying "well that is not how we do things in America."

As for knowing how to dance, GDPs are not the only ones with moves. I walked by a group of 10 year-old girls today who were seeing how low they could squat and how far they could throw out their butts. I just scratched my head and hoped there wasn't a priest or a guy trying to rent a room in his apartment nearby. Brazilian women love to dance and sing along with the music. If you really want to score points, learn the lyrics to some of the popular songs and sing along with them. By the end of the night, they are not only going to want to have sex with you but also will want to take you home to to meet their family.

Chris,

Cool: "The girls are tall, blonde, skinny, sunglasses and designer shoes. They do that thing that when they walk into a room everyone knows they are the most important people in the room. Great dancers, lovely girls, but that is just not the Brasilian way. We ask them if it's maybe time to get a taxi. They think we are all getting one together. But we open the door, let them in, and shut it again bidding them a cheery goodnight."

Next time you want to get rid of girls like those, send them to me. As you know, I am not picky. (As long as I have a semi-clean place to take a dump, that is. Different story, though.)

Euro

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1184149]I know Americans are top of the food chain when we visit brazil, but does that make it easy to pick up on regular girls?[/QUOTE]
That was funny. :D
I think you are in for a surprise when you go to Brazil.

[QUOTE=Spiroshouse]I am greek recidence and holder of a Greek passport so I don't need a visa for entering brazil. I have the return leg of my sao paolo-rome-athens air ticket and I will be fly on October. Alitalia ina thens said me that they don't let me pass through check-in because I don't have a return ticket. I am thinking to buy a cheap condor air ticket (salvador-frankfurt for 299 euros)

Do you think with this I can resolve this problem?[/QUOTE]You should be able to prove to Alitalia that this is the return leg of your trip if you provide documentation of your Brasil arrival ticket. It would be on file with the airline on which you arrived. If it was an e-ticket, you can locate it with the confirmation number on your return ticket. It should also be available on-line with the issuing airline or travel agent.

I have been renting from the same guy in Rio for going on 12 years now. Within the past year, his apartments have gone up from 50-100% An apartment that I used to pay 50 dollars a night for (leopoldo miguez, in front of the Princess Hotel) is now 75 dollars a night! I didn't know he had jacked up prices that high until I got here, because it was always 50 dollars a night, so I assumed it was the same price. I damn near fell out of the chair whn he told me that it was now 75 bucks a night. (For an apart that is 3 blocks from the beach, no internet and no cable, that sounds like a terrible price!)

My question to the board is "Is 75 dollars a night for a one bedroom apartment about right?" For that much, I expected a beach front, with internet and cable too. How much do nice studios go for? Let me know if I am on point or exepecting too much.

[QUOTE=Bravo; 1185616]I have been renting from the same guy in Rio for going on 12 years now. Within the past year, his apartments have gone up from 50-100% An apartment that I used to pay 50 dollars a night for (leopoldo miguez, in front of the Princess Hotel) is now 75 dollars a night! I didn't know he had jacked up prices that high until I got here, because it was always 50 dollars a night, so I assumed it was the same price. I damn near fell out of the chair whn he told me that it was now 75 bucks a night. (For an apart that is 3 blocks from the beach, no internet and no cable, that sounds like a terrible price!)

My question to the board is "Is 75 dollars a night for a one bedroom apartment about right?" For that much, I expected a beach front, with internet and cable too. How much do nice studios go for? Let me know if I am on point or exepecting too much.[/QUOTE]I paid $80 per night 1 bedroom for a partial beach view at Rua Bolivar / Atlantica at the end of January which is the beginning of the high season. It had cable TV, Internet, and A / C.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1185616]My question to the board is "Is 75 dollars a night for a one bedroom apartment about right?" For that much, I expected a beach front, with internet and cable too. How much do nice studios go for? Let me know if I am on point or exepecting too much.[/QUOTE]
Yes, apto prices have gone up.
I rent from the same guy for at least 15 years. Not so many years ago I used to pay R$50/night. Now I have to pay R$80 (and that's with a "buddy-discount"). 1 quarto+sala, AC, cable, close to ex-Help and half a block from the beach.
Even with those high prices it's hard to find decent apartments. The competition isn't from gringos, but brazilians.

I think an apartment the way you described should cost maximum R$100.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1185616]My question to the board is "Is 75 dollars a night for a one bedroom apartment about right?" For that much, I expected a beach front, with internet and cable too. How much do nice studios go for? Let me know if I am on point or exepecting too much.[/QUOTE]The real estate market in Copacabana has skyrocketed in the past three years. The higher value of real estate has carried over to the seasonal rental market. One bedroom and studio apartments that ran for R$80 three years ago now rent for R$120 to upwards of R$200 depending on location and amenities. See Bubba Boy's comments on Brasilian inflation in the Rio de Janeiro thread today. Beach front for US$75? Yes, you are expecting too much.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco;1185648]The real estate market in Copacabana has skyrocketed in the past three years. The higher value of real estate has carried over to the seasonal rental market. One bedroom and studio apartments that ran for R$80 three years ago now rent for R$120 to upwards of R$200 depending on location and amenities. See Bubba Boy's comments on Brasilian inflation in the Rio de Janeiro thread today. Beach front for US$75? Yes, you are expecting too much.[/QUOTE]How about expecting internet AND cable for 75 dollars a night? If I am 3 blocks from the beach, I expect a really nice place for that much. Then again, maybe I am out of touch because I have been renting from the same person all this time.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1185663]How about expecting internet AND cable for 75 dollars a night? If I am 3 blocks from the beach, I expect a really nice place for that much. Then again, maybe I am out of touch because I have been renting from the same person all this time.[/QUOTE]True, it's rare that an owner does not provide internet and cable just to be competetive in today's market. However, you need to specify these things before you agree to the rental. When you are shopping at the bottom end of the price range, quality and amenities are not as good as a more expensive unit. As I said previously, your expectations are high for the price you want to pay in Copacabana.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco;1185674]True, it's rare that an owner does not provide internet and cable just to be competetive in today's market. However, you need to specify these things before you agree to the rental. When you are shopping at the bottom end of the price range, quality and amenities are not as good as a more expensive unit. As I said previously, your expectations are high for the price you want to pay in Copacabana.[/QUOTE]


I agree, I recently reserved an apto and was shocked by the increase in price.



[url]http://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-real-estate/copacabana-getting-a-facelift/[/url]



[url]http://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-business/cost-of-living-soars-in-brazil/[/url]#

Anyone have any recent info on the scene in Curitiba? Have to go there on business in a few weeks. Can't seem to find any recent reports.

-Cartman

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1185700]Anyone have any recent info on the scene in Curitiba? Have to go there on business in a few weeks. Can't seem to find any recent reports.
-Cartman[/QUOTE]Maybe you find what you need in the Curitiba thread:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?559-Curitiba[/url]

Not updated for a long time (like all the other threads, except Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo).

[QUOTE=Sperto;1185732]Not updated for a long time .[/QUOTE]Yep like I said, can't find good recent reports.

I need help from the board. My buddy has a 4 hour layover in Rio and he wants to leave the airport, hit a nearby hotel and fuck a GDP for a couple of hours. Is there any hotels in Centro that are near the airport that he can be back in like 30-40 minutes?

[QUOTE=Bravo;1186570]I need help from the board. My buddy has a 4 hour layover in Rio and he wants to leave the airport, hit a nearby hotel and fuck a GDP for a couple of hours. Is there any hotels in Centro that are near the airport that he can be back in like 30-40 minutes?[/QUOTE]Here are moteis in Centro, Gloria and Lapa. All are w / in 30. 40 minutes from Galeao and 10 minutes from Santos Dumont airports.

Amazonas. R. Alexandre Mackenzie. 122 – Centro 2233-5445.

Gallery. R. Camerino. 15. Centro 2263-2885.

Snob. Av. Henrique Valadares. 150. Centro 2509-21818.

Villa Regia. R. Sacadura Cabral. 136. Pça Mauá 2223-4104.

Vina Del Mar. R. Joaquim Silva. 57. Lapa 2509-1857.

Sheik. Av. Gomes Freire. 55. Centro 2221-3348.

Lips. R. Senador Dantas. 46. Centro 2210-3235.

Fênix. R. Do Senado. 189. Centro 2242-8004.

Fluminense. R. Dos Invalidos. 176. Centro 2252-0069

Feitiço. R. Do rezande. 58. Centro 2232-9569.

Challon Hotel- R. Cândido Mendes. 521 Glória, Sta Teresa. 2242-8826.

Magic. R. Santo Amaro. 11. Gloria 2507-2037.

Alameda. R. Candido Mendes. 118. Gloria 2509-7880.

Love Time. R. Do Catete. 63 – Gloria

I will be in Rio sept 07 and assume most centro termas and casas will be closed during this holiday. Can anyone with prior knowledge confirm?

Lonzof

[QUOTE=Lonzof; 1187840]I will be in Rio sept 07 and assume most centro termas and casas will be closed during this holiday. Can anyone with prior knowledge confirm?

Lonzof[/QUOTE]No one has responded with certainty, so I will advise.
Every Sunday they are closed, and last year I was there during the during World Cup games they were almost all closed during the BR games despite it being normal casa hours. I would plan on them being closed 9/7.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1188986]No one has responded with certainty, so I will advise.

Every Sunday they are closed, and last year I was there during the during World Cup games they were almost all closed during the BR games despite it being normal casa hours. I would plan on them being closed 9/7.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply p playa. I was planning a GFE on this day due the national holiday.

Lonzof

5 dead. 30 injured.

[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2011/08/28/policia-faz-pericia-em-bonde-de-santa-teresa-apos-acidente-que-matou-cinco-pessoas-925231582.asp[/url]

http://amast.org.br/

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/streetcar-derails-rio-killing-least-5-223335984.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Exec Talent; 1191298]5 dead. 30 injured.

[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2011/08/28/policia-faz-pericia-em-bonde-de-santa-teresa-apos-acidente-que-matou-cinco-pessoas-925231582.asp[/url]

[url]http://amast.org.br/[/url]

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/streetcar-derails-rio-killing-least-5-223335984.html[/url][/QUOTE]Wow, that is harsh. Could have been anybody here too! I always think of riding it, and stay right up the street, but never have because the temptations of pussy in Centro apartments keep me too busy.

Incredibly insensitive AP article. 'It is not known if any foreigners are among the dead or injured.'. Are they more valuable than Brasileiros? WTF wrote something like that, filho da puta should be hung off the arches by his balls and left to dry

[QUOTE=Puta Playa;1191383]Incredibly insensitive AP article. 'It is not known if any foreigners are among the dead or injured.'. Are they more valuable than Brasileiros? WTF wrote something like that, filho da puta should be hung off the arches by his balls and left to dry[/QUOTE]
Btw, there were three french, one portuguese and one english among the injured (and five dead brazilians and about 52 injured brazilians).
http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2011/08/28/bonde-que-descarrilou-em-santa-teresa-usava-arame-em-vez-de-parafuso-para-prender-peca-constata-crea-925231582.asp

I do not agree that article was insensitive. Rio gets a lot of tourist, A lot of tourist ride the trolly. Target audience for AP is mostly intended for English speakers, it's HQ'd in NYC, BTW. Say you have family or friends in Rio, and are unable to get in contact with them. That article is intended for them.

The Oglobo report linked by Sperto has a nice picture, giving one, an idea of the disrepair of the trolly. There is a wire where a bolt should be.

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That part is next to the brake, which failed. Also the trolly was overloaded with passengers: 62 when only 40 allowed. AMAST, Associação de Moradores e Amigos de Santa Teresa, (Association of Residents and Friends of Santa Teresa) blames the state government for omissions and neglect of the tram system in the neighborhood. It was only a matter of time according to AMAST.

[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2011/08/28/associacao-de-moradores-amigos-de-santa-teresa-divulga-nota-sobre-acidente-com-bondinho-925231605.asp[/url]

[QUOTE=Java Man;1191411]I do not agree that article was insensitive. Rio gets a lot of tourist, A lot of tourist ride the trolly. Target audience for AP is mostly intended for English speakers, it's HQ'd in NYC, BTW. Say you have family or friends in Rio, and are unable to get in contact with them. That article is intended for them.[/QUOTE]Okay, agreed. Yes, NYC. But from from the perspective of the Brasileiros that I know, reading English, it may be misconstrued by them as EUA elitism and this is embarrasing to me as a person who deals with Brasilieiros who are my customers. And Dues forbid that anyone continue to perpetuate the concept of 'Ugly American' We Americanos are not ugly minded people. No matter what AP says or what the EUA politicians are pushing, most of us value other cultures and people as much as our own. Whenever I go to another country, people home say 'Wow, cool, what did you see there' The old days of Banana Republic are gone and we are okay people, post cold-war, a new breed, in case anyone is mislead. Unfortunately, due to large oceans, it is very expensive to travel from EUA to anywhere else, so with limited international experience, most people here including press are fairly ignorant when it comes to these things, don't have the tact to anticipate how something could be misconstrued by , for example, a Brasileiro reading a AP post.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1191383]Wow, that is harsh. Could have been anybody here too! I always think of riding it, and stay right up the street, but never have because the temptations of pussy in Centro apartments keep me too busy.

Incredibly insensitive AP article. 'It is not known if any foreigners are among the dead or injured. '. Are they more valuable than Brasileiros? WTF wrote something like that, filho the puta should be hung off the arches by his balls and left to dry[/QUOTE]In my opinion you are over reacting to the AP news release. It was timely, factual and accurate with the details that were available at the time of its release. AP picked up the story from G1 News, the on-line news service of O Globo. AP released the story as reported by G1 News immediately to the world wide press that use the AP news service. The more complete story that you see on O Globo, O Dia, JB online and other brasilian sites was compiled after their reporters had an opportunity to further research the accident and gather more information. The AP report did not state nor infer anything about the value of persons, foreign or domestic and it is illogical to imply that they would do so.

I found a better picture of the trolly's brake held by wire on G1:

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Per G1, preliminary cause of crash is brake failure due to loss of air pressure, with the overcrowding of the trolly as a contributing factor.

It's the Brasilian way.

Just days before the fatal accident on rua Joaquime Muritinho, a defect in the tracks prevented a descending streetcar from switching to the right side of the road as it made its return run to Lapa. No problema, the motorista, assisted by his cashier just drove on the ascending tracks to descend the mountain. Everyone was quite amused as oncoming cars switched lanes to dodge the descending streetcar and avoid head a collision. Fortunately they did not encounter an ascending streetcar on the same track until after they were able to find an operating switch and get back to the right side of the road.

Watch the video here:

[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/pais/noblat/posts/2011/08/30/um-bonde-na-contramao-402009.asp[/url]

damn near every single hotel in rio de janeiro has doubled the cost of lodging and will keep doing so every year until the events take place. i can't imagine what the cost will be once the world cup or the olympic bames take place. i plan on avoiding rio de janeiro for 6 to 8 months before and after each of those events just to insure i don't end up paying 8x's the cost of lodging even though they have not bought a single new piece of linen to justify the increase. the have as the locals mention "febre de ouro" and no one is trying to control this.

by the way, according to the locals i've spoken to, they do not plan on building any new hotels for any of the aforementioned events. they plan, at least in rio de janeiro, to expand the berths on the port of rio de janeiro to bring in cruise ships, just like the did when the super bowl took place in jacksonville, fl (anyone remember that crap) because there is no space to accomodate new construction (anyone, remember the old helpee hole on beachfront property?). unfortunately these high paying customers are in for a very rough ride because the ports happen to be located in ssome extremely decrepid and rough neighborhoods, filled with graffiti and crime. the security on the way to the games better be extremely tight.

[quote=exec talent; 1193689]recently when i called to reserve a room at one of my favorite love motels they informed me that they were now a hotel. they said my favorite suite was still available but the price had increased. looks like this is becoming a trend.

[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2011/09/03/de-olho-nas-olimpiadas-na-copa-moteis-passam-hospedar-turistas-925282953.asp[/url][/quote]

[quote=voyajer1; 1193794]by the way, according to the locals i've spoken to, they do not plan on building any new hotels for any of the aforementioned events. they plan, at least in rio de janeiro, to expand the berths on the port of rio de janeiro to bring in cruise ships, just like the did when the super bowl took place in jacksonville, fl (anyone remember that crap) because there is no space to accomodate new construction (anyone, remember the old helpee hole on beachfront property?).[/quote]speaking of which, how is the new sound and image museum?

i was there sometime in july and it appears exactly the same as the pictures below with a couple of glaring exceptions:

- first, the lights that sorround the colorful fence that borders the site where the museum supposed to reside were gone. not a single bit of movement on the site except for the reappropriation of the lamps.

- second, the site has become the largest unflushable toilet in copacabana. the stench of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] and sh*t, both human and canine (yes, i've seen residents have their dogs do their business right on the fence, inside and outside, no clean up after the deed in some cases) makes the place unsanitary. that's why i took the pictures from afar.

that is, literally, one big sh*thole, pun intended! if there is a pile of dirt on the premises before the world cup, i will say there was real progress. jeez, they move so slowly downthere.

[quote=mr enternational;1193830]speaking of which, how is the new sound and image museum?[/quote]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1193976]I was there sometime in July and it appears exactly the same as the pictures below with a couple of glaring exceptions:[/QUOTE]In other words it's about the same as it was a year and a half ago when they tore down the club and the restaurant?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1193830]Speaking of which, how is the new sound and image museum?[/QUOTE]It hasn't changed since they demolished Help. My bet is that it will be a hotel with the site sold to the highest bidder. Claiming that the location would be used for a museum just made it easier politically to get rid of Help.

just returned to usofa this morning after 5 days in copa. there is construction activity on the help / museo site. peeking through the fence you can see lots of workers, lots of materials, pallets of cement and rebar and some kind of weird looking big-ass piece of machinery. it looks to me to be something for setting foundation walls / posts / supports. now whether it will become a museum or a hotel. time will tell.

If you have Rio travel plans and have not check airfares recently, I suggest you do so. Almost overnight an economy class ticket has gone from $1000 to $1800. I thought maybe it had something to do with Rock in Rio, but checked in later in October and still over $1800 RT. Maybe the airlines think since the USD exchange has gone up that US tourists will now return to Rio. Or, maybe they are basing it on their load factors during Rock in Rio and the people pegging the rates are ignorant that a special event is driving the loads.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1199229]If you have Rio travel plans and have not check airfares recently, I suggest you do so. Almost overnight an economy class ticket has gone from $1000 to $1800. I thought maybe it had something to do with Rock in Rio, but checked in later in October and still over $1800 RT. Maybe the airlines think since the USD exchange has gone up that US tourists will now return to Rio. Or, maybe they are basing it on their load factors during Rock in Rio and the people pegging the rates are ignorant that a special event is driving the loads.[/QUOTE]I've been checking the rates with all major carriers since my return from Rio earlier this month. Rates are beyond $1, 500 from the midwest through mid 2012. I did find a fare for $1, 100 for mid Jan. I have that ticket on hold but would like to dream the rates will come down. Does not look good.

Lonzof

[QUOTE=Exec Talent;1199229]If you have Rio travel plans and have not check airfares recently, I suggest you do so. Almost overnight an economy class ticket has gone from $1000 to $1800. I thought maybe it had something to do with Rock in Rio, but checked in later in October and still over $1800 RT. Maybe the airlines think since the USD exchange has gone up that US tourists will now return to Rio. Or, maybe they are basing it on their load factors during Rock in Rio and the people pegging the rates are ignorant that a special event is driving the loads.[/QUOTE]Airfare is up across the board, even for flights within the US. I used to get fares from the Midwest to LA or Vegas for around $300-$500. I checked on a flight to Vegas the other day and the cheapest fare was $1000. This is the major carriers, not budget ones, Southwest or similar. I can't wait until they start implementing more fees for baggage.

[QUOTE=Baggio67;1199323]Airfare is up across the board, even for flights within the US. I used to get fares from the Midwest to LA or Vegas for around $300-$500. I checked on a flight to Vegas the other day and the cheapest fare was $1000. This is the major carriers, not budget ones, Southwest or similar. I can't wait until they start implementing more fees for baggage.[/QUOTE]Fortunately one of my companies is in the business of designing and implementing video conferencing solutions. When airfares go up organizations look for alternatives to business travel. In many ways the airlines remind me of Brazilians. They constantly are finding new ways to screw themselves all the while thinking they are getting over.

After my post earlier today, I made a few phone calls questioning and a long time discussing one of the major carriers' pricing policies. I went back in tonight and now prices have returned to around $1000 again. BTW I did call BACC earlier today and the lowest fare they had for economy was $1500.

Is it me or do Brasilians wear braces for a super long time? If I remember correctly, most people in the states only wear braces for 2-3 years. But I swear I know some GDPs who have had braces for 4-5 fucking years! And it wasnt like they had super buck teeth to begin with. Is it because its harder to fix our teeth once we are adults rather than teenage years?

[QUOTE=Bravo;1201617]Is it me or do Brasilians wear braces for a super long time? If I remember correctly, most people in the states only wear braces for 2-3 years. But I swear I know some GDPs who have had braces for 4-5 fucking years! And it wasnt like they had super buck teeth to begin with. Is it because its harder to fix our teeth once we are adults rather than teenage years?[/QUOTE]I've noticed the same thing, but I don't know the answer to your question. To me it's a bit weird to see adults with braces in Brazil. Braces are expensive so it's a status thing using braces.

BTW, many dentists in Brazil are worthless.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1201638]I've noticed the same thing, but I don't know the answer to your question. To me it's a bit weird to see adults with braces in Brazil. Braces are expensive so it's a status thing using braces.

BTW, many dentists in Brazil are worthless.[/QUOTE]In Rio many dentists who are not qualified practice orthodonics just for the money. However, if you look around it is not just the wealthy who have braces. It is pretty much everyone. The only way they can pay for them without a credit card or other source of financing is to pay the dentist by the visit. Therefore, the length of treatment has more to do with the time it takes them to pay off the dentist than it does with how long it takes to straighten their teeth. Keeping the braces on is a form of collateral. If the dentist took them off do you think he / she would ever get paid?

Is Termas- Quatro X Quatro Still Open?

[QUOTE=MoneyShot;1201863]Is Termas- Quatro X Quatro Still Open?[/QUOTE]If you skip the posts about hotels in the Rio de Janeiro thread, it would appear so.

I was there last month and it still is Disneyland, as someone once called it.

I was thinking about going to Rio for 2 during my 7 day trip to SP. What are my options of places to stay for 2 days.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Auriflama; 1202060]I was thinking about going to Rio for 2 during my 7 day trip to SP. What are my options of places to stay for 2 days.

Thanks[/QUOTE]I don't know how far in advance you have to book your accommodations and what your budget is. As always it is best to rent an apartment for your stay in Rio. You might want to check out Trip Advisor and AirBnB to see if anything looks good to you during the time you need. Many places have reviews.

[QUOTE=Almotu;1202284]I don't know how far in advance you have to book your accommodations and what your budget is. As always it is best to rent an apartment for your stay in Rio. You might want to check out Trip Advisor and AirBnB to see if anything looks good to you during the time you need. Many places have reviews.[/QUOTE]I can't agree from my own experience. Apartments are great for slightly longer stays. For two nights, a hotel is far simpler.

Copied from the Rio Reports thread.

[QUOTE=Chrisdrug;1202426]I was one of the top scorers in my MBA finance class.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Chrisdrug;1202416]I hear you but you didn't get my point either. I make almost $15, 000 as a general manager of two companies...

Brazil night scene was so shitty in my past vacation that I was watch DVDs instead in my apt after doing a Terma run + an escort outcall every other day.[/QUOTE]So, you were not the TOP student in your MBA class and not even the TOP student in your finance class. Sad.


You are not the majority shareholder, president or even vice-president of the company for whom you work. You are JUST the general manager. Sad.


When you reach a place in life worth bragging about, call your mother and let her know. She might be interested. I doubt it. But, certainly more than anyone here.



I travel to Rio about 10 times a year and stay anywhere from a week to several months. Finding things to do at night is never a problem.


The only reason I have brought to people's attention the increased costs of geting to and staying in Rio is that many members may not have been to Rio in awhile or this might be their first time. One of the worst things that could happen to someone is they arrive in Rio without a place to stay thinking they are going to just walk into a hotel a get a reasonably priced room. Even if they searched this forum and saw what people had paid in the past. That is not relevant to how much they will pay in Rio today, even during off season.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent; 1202555]Copied from the Rio Reports thread.

So, you were not the TOP student in your MBA class and not even the TOP student in your finance class. Sad.

You are not the majority shareholder, president or even vice-president of the company for whom you work. You are JUST the general manager. Sad.

When you reach a place in life worth bragging about, call your mother and let her know. She might be interested. I doubt it. But, certainly more than anyone here.[/QUOTE]Chrisdrug, do yourself a favour and go to Monaco, sit in a nice spot above the harbour and look at all the yachts below. Each one of them are worth a few million to $350million. The owners of these boats could, but probably won't, brag about being worth something in the financial world. You probably don't have the finances on hand to fill the gas tank up on one of those Yachts, which could run $250k on some of the bigger ones. So until you actually achieve a financial status worth something (probably $5million or above) , probably not the best to brag about your above average but nothing special salary or education.

Recent discussions commented on the increase of fat chicks in Rio. Brazilian obesity is growing, and fast. According to the ministry of health. 11. 4% of the population suffered from obesity in 2006. In 2010, this number grew to 15. Almost half of Brazilians are now overweight. In the next 10 years, this will rise to 60% of the population.

Now comes this: "Student. 21 elected Miss Plus Size Carioca. 2011". Weighing in at 213 pounds Géssica Carneiro was considered the most beautiful Gordinha of Rio. Ironically the third-place contestant works as a nutritionist. G1 Globo: http://g1.globo.com/rio-de-janeiro/n...ioca-2011.html

[QUOTE=Poucolouco;1209931]Recent discussions commented on the increase of fat chicks in Rio. Brazilian obesity is growing, and fast. According to the ministry of health. 11. 4% of the population suffered from obesity in 2006. In 2010, this number grew to 15. Almost half of Brazilians are now overweight. In the next 10 years, this will rise to 60% of the population.[/QUOTE]According the WHO, about 22% of the adult (20+) female population suffered from obesity in Brasil in 2008. I've read somewhere that it had increased to 27% since then. Dunno about the overweight numbers, but 50% or more seems accurate from what one can see on the beaches.

[url]http://www.who.int/gho/countries/bra.pdf[/url]

The myth of the paradise filled with slender beauties in bikinis is harshly dashed. (smilie)

Anybody got experience of bringing a bicycle to Brazil. Did the brazilian customs give you a hard time?

[QUOTE=Sperto;1219527]Anybody got experience of bringing a bicycle to Brazil. Did the brazilian customs give you a hard time?[/QUOTE]Yeah I want to do that too:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP0biz9e7bo&feature=related[/url]

[QUOTE=Sangue Bon; 1219951]Yeah I want to do that too:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP0biz9e7bo&feature=related[/url][/QUOTE]Nice video.

A bike in Rio would be great to have. There are lots of pistas all over the city.

BTW, no women in the world bike like brazilian women. Almost like this one:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULjZgsxdSL0[/url]

Here is a list of some brazilian airlines. Some airlines have destinations all over Brazil and others are very regional.

[url]www.tam.com.br[/url]

[url]www.voegol.com.br[/url]

[url]viajemais.voeazul.com.br[/url]

[url]www.webjet.com.br[/url]

[url]www.voetrip.com.br[/url]

[url]www.voerico.com.br[/url]

[url]www.voemeta.com[/url]

[url]www.voesete.com.br[/url]

[url]www.voesol.com.br[/url]

[url]www.voepantanal.com.br[/url]

[url]www.voenht.com.br[/url]

[url]www.pumaair.com.br[/url]

Unless I'm going to a small city in the Amazon I usually find TAM or GOL to be the cheapest.
The list isn't complete so feel free to complete it.

Apparently a summer hit in Brazil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcm55lU9knw

The lyrics is quite easy to learn.

Nossa, nossa
Assim você me mata
Ai se eu te pego, ai ai se eu te pego

Delícia, delícia
Assim você me mata
Ai se eu te pego, ai ai se eu te pego

Sábado na balada
A galera começou a dançar
E passou a menina mais linda
Tomei coragem e comecei a falar

Nossa, nossa
Assim você me mata
Ai se eu te pego, ai ai se eu te pego

Delícia, delícia
Assim você me mata
Ai se eu te pego, ai ai se eu te pego

Sábado na balada
A galera começou a dançar
E passou a menina mais linda
Tomei coragem e comecei a falar

Nossa, nossa
Assim você me mata
Ai se eu te pego, ai ai se eu te pego

Delícia, delícia
Assim você me mata
Ai se eu te pego, ai ai se eu te pego

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1221649]Here is a list of some brazilian airlines. Some airlines have destinations all over Brazil and others are very regional.

Unless I'm going to a small city in the Amazon I usually find TAM or GOL to be the cheapest.[/QUOTE]TAM on Star Alliance has been a game changer for domestic travel (and Mercosur) in Brazil. Reward travel at 12, 500 miles plus incredibly low fees, like $8 for some. For each roundtrip to Brazil (as gold) that's two virtually free flights in country.

[QUOTE=Baggio67;1199323]Airfare is up across the board, even for flights within the US. I used to get fares from the Midwest to LA or Vegas for around $300-$500. I checked on a flight to Vegas the other day and the cheapest fare was $1000. This is the major carriers, not budget ones, Southwest or similar. I can't wait until they start implementing more fees for baggage.[/QUOTE]To Baggio,

High fuel cost you can fly to Hong kong for 1100 USD and then ferry to Macau, cost of fuel is too high so the low fare to LV is history even out of LA is lowest is 160 USD round trip just go to Asia p4p is much cheaper than in Sao paulo Brazil the damn Riel is just too damn strong.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48;1225711]High fuel cost you can fly to Hong kong for 1100 USD and then ferry to Macau, cost of fuel is too high so the low fare to LV is history even out of LA is lowest is 160 USD round trip just go to Asia p4p is much cheaper than in Sao paulo Brazil the damn Riel is just too damn strong.
Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]
Fast Eddie, in what way do you mean that the strong currency of Cambodia, Riel, makes Sao Paulo expensive?

[QUOTE=Sperto;1225752]Fast Eddie, in what way do you mean that the strong currency of Cambodia, Riel, makes Sao Paulo expensive?[/QUOTE]I believe he meant Real, which by the way devaluated a little bit in the past couple of months.

Great list.

From my experience, webjet is by far the cheapest. IF they fly to the destination.

Also webjet is very strict. Absolutely no forgiveness for excess baggage. The first time in my life the caught me with my carry on being beyond the maximum weight (I believe 5 kg) and charged me for excess.

Gol is great if you are registered for their specials that are on sale only for a day or two.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1221649]Here is a list of some brazilian airlines. Some airlines have destinations all over Brazil and others are very regional.

[url]www.tam.com.br[/url]

[url]www.voegol.com.br[/url]

[url]viajemais.voeazul.com.br[/url]

[url]www.webjet.com.br[/url]

[url]www.voetrip.com.br[/url]

[url]www.voerico.com.br[/url]

[url]www.voemeta.com[/url]

[url]www.voesete.com.br[/url]

[url]www.voesol.com.br[/url]

[url]www.voepantanal.com.br[/url]

[url]www.voenht.com.br[/url]

[url]www.pumaair.com.br[/url]

Unless I'm going to a small city in the Amazon I usually find TAM or GOL to be the cheapest.

The list isn't complete so feel free to complete it.[/QUOTE]