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[QUOTE=Sanook D]
I was kind of hoping to hear what others on the board think of the current pricing- not only in regard what the market will bear here, but particularly in terms of what, say, a 3000 baht LT fee in Bangkok equals in terms of spending power in Europe or the States. If I compare, for example, what a security guard makes here with what good Nana or Cowboy earner is making, I wonder if it wouldn't compare with what the average escort makes in comparison with a security guard in Miami or London. If a Sukhumvit go-go tart clears 6000 baht for two nights work she has pretty much made her rent + utilities if she lives in Ratchada or On Nut- and double her rent if she is living with a roommate, which most do. Let's say a Florida call girl clears US$1000 for two nights (or days) work- she probably hasn't made rent for month yet, unless she has a roommate.

Just throwing this out there for discussion. While I don't think 3000 for LT is reasonable for a Nana tart, especially on top of drinks and bar fine, I'm not a tourist on holiday- and to quote the Lone Biker of the Apocalypse, a fair price is 'Not what you say, but what the market will bear.' Problem is, judging by the number of girls still waiting (presumably) for an overnight john at closing time, the market isn't exactly bearing it most nights. Of course, it may be that they would prefer to try to work half as much for the same money. . .but I wonder if that is working out for them. At any rate, a bar girl pulling down, say, 20K a month is already making roughly twice what a secretary would and the same as a starting attorney in Bangkok (at a Thai firm); although it must be said, her career is liable to be far shorter, and only the lucky few are able to pull the long con and snag a farang or Japanese sugar daddy.

As I said, curious to read the opinions of others about this, and I also think it might be edifying for the tourists (and I have nothing against them- kind of wish I still were one) to know what 3K (or 1 or 2K) means in terms of spending power in this town.[/QUOTE]


You just said it. We are talking about tourists on holiday, having sex for different reasons. I think these prices are ridiculous for Thailand. And with ridiculous prices comes ridiculous service. People should pay local prices, not London or NY prices or something in between. Sex turns market on its head and the new market emerges. So whenever there is a hard-on there is inflation. People tend to think in terms of what they can afford, not in terms of what they should pay. After a few beers it turns into what they want to pay. Reality is skewed for these women forever. Thats why "stupid farang" is just an ATM machine. Buddha style thank you is given as an afterthought, almost with a laugh. Just read the postings of some of the geniuses in here. It's not just Thailand, it is happening in every mongering destination. When the prices go to 4000 or 5000 baht they will still think it's a bargain just because its more expensive in London, NY and Sydney. I think the main reason some TGs refuse to go with Indians is because they bring them down to earth, as far as prices are concerned. I'm pretty sure nobody would go out of business if all of a sudden people refused to pay more than 2000K LT. But that's just utopia. It will never happen. Another thing I've noticed is the ever increasing level of sophistication in manipulating the customer into shorter sessions.

[QUOTE=Oldian]I've never paid more than 1000 baht ever for a gal in all my years in Thailand, but this is getting harder and harder to do, and the attitudes are becoming quite disgusting if you ask me. I live here, I know how much 1000 baht is worth, how much middle class workers earn, and i have seen the changes in the last few years. I was recently in Pattaya, hooking up with a beer bar gal whom I'd met 3 months ago...she really is a stunner, 3 months ago had only been in the biz about a month..she spent one great evening with me, gave her the Pattaya norm of 1000 baht, she was thrilled. This time round, she decided to go to Walking Street with friends after our nookie session, it was pretty obvious she wanted to pull another guy, so I obliged, gave her 500 baht for ST, and she threw an absolute fit, crying hysterically for 30 minutes, claiming nobody had ever given her 500 baht, and then of course telling me that long time was now 2000 baht...yeah, whatever the market will bear, and a lot of guys are very happy to pay it..look what has happened to the Thermae...about 85% of the gals now going with only Japanese because of the larger payout...[/QUOTE]
I was in Spice Girls on Soi Cowboy last night (my last day, with 2700 Baht left in the pocket) and was approached by a sweet 25 yo girl who decided she had to go with me. And very much to my surprise she quoted 1000 Baht plus 700 barfine. I said I wanted long time and she said yes, one thousand baht. It sounded either one thousand or five thousand in all the noisy music. Since 5000 is out of the question I assumed it was 1000. Deal setteled. I would have given her 1500 next morning after a good performance, but she decided to spend that money right away by wanting to head into the bar next door to invite her friend for a drink to celebrate her catch. Since she quoted so low I had no probolem with that.
She was really well performing but in the morning when I gave her 1000 she asked for a little more, pulling a long face when I told her I had no more on me. After I showed her that I had 280 Baht left and needed 220 for the taxi to the airport and gave her the leftover 60 Baht as taxi money and she realised that I really had no more, she suddenly turned all sweet again and asked me to come back on my next trip to see her.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888]I was in Spice Girls on Soi Cowboy last night (my last day, with 2700 Baht left in the pocket) and was approached by a sweet 25 yo girl who decided she had to go with me. And very much to my surprise she quoted 1000 Baht plus 700 barfine. I said I wanted long time and she said yes, one thousand baht. It sounded either one thousand or five thousand in all the noisy music. Since 5000 is out of the question I assumed it was 1000. Deal setteled. I would have given her 1500 next morning after a good performance, but she decided to spend that money right away by wanting to head into the bar next door to invite her friend for a drink to celebrate her catch. Since she quoted so low I had no probolem with that.

She was really well performing but in the morning when I gave her 1000 she asked for a little more, pulling a long face when I told her I had no more on me. After I showed her that I had 280 Baht left and needed 220 for the taxi to the airport and gave her the leftover 60 Baht as taxi money and she realised that I really had no more, she suddenly turned all sweet again and asked me to come back on my next trip to see her.[/QUOTE]Yes tiger as I am leaving here. I confirm this. Its all about to be lucky here and able to deal with the girls. Many time happen to me. 1000 bht. Then session finish. SHE SAY oh can you give me more have to pay electricy for room not enouth money today. Then its up to you how you handel her request.

Well a trip to Xiamen is planned courtesy of a cheapo promo by Air Asia, that means a few days in Bangkok to arrange a Visa at the Chinese embassy. Now despite coming to Thailand for many years and living here for the last couple of years I have never been to Nana Plaza.

So now with my pass from the missus for a few days I can put that right. Booked a room at the convenient Nana Hotel and set myself up with a beer at the bar opposite to find out what’s happening.

Some reports on the forum have not been encouraging but from where I am sitting the place seems to be buzzing. So much so a couple of American god botherer’s are spouting off at the top of their voices to anyone who will listen (why is it they always work in pairs and wear white shirts and black slacks?) anyway far from putting punters off they are proving a bit of an attraction and pulling in the crowds.

Now this to me proves a bit of a conundrum because Jesus, didn’t he shack up with Mary Magdalene who rep was far from perfect, Humm, better not go there!

Well I had a tour of various bars in the plaza and a lot of them did seem a bit worn with very lethargic girls, but Lollipop bar, ground floor, first on left as you enter the plaza had some nice girls who all seemed enthusiastic and appeared to be enjoying themselves.

So I honored them with my patronage, when you are used to paying baht 22 for a small beer 85 baht does hurt but that seems to be the standard in all of the establishments.

Anyway I am immediately attracted to #25 a tall slim girl with very long legs who seems to be happy, smiling a lot and enjoying herself. So its contact, I buy her a lady drink and suss out her availability. I’m looking for LT much to my regret she cannot do because of conflicting accountancy degree studies at university next day. But she recommends a new girl who has just started that very day.

This is Phon # 41 who I suspect is about 23-24 but pretty and slightly shy we negotiate Baht 3,000 (house rate 4,000) and bar fine baht 600. for the night.

As it turns out this was a very good choice as she was enthusiastic, willing and a team player, a good time was had by all starting with 2 in the bath cession.

So SP is ………

Looks 8
Enthusiasm 8/9
Shaven pussy but several days growth!
BBBJ
DATY
Cowgirl
Anal don’t know not my scene
Multiple pops + she had multi orgasms.

She left 7.0 next morning, Can recommend.

Pedro 917

PS: see next post on unfinished business with # 25

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[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]That is certainly not the norm, your "buddy" may well be telling the truth but if other mongers on here think they can negotiate Rainbow girls down to 1000 baht LT they will probably come severely unstuck.

The Rainbow bars are always busy especially at this time of the year, most girls will quote 4000 baht LT which you may be able to get down to 2500 but the really pretty ones will hold out for 4000.[/QUOTE]Wow 4000, I have never been quoted that high for LT, but then again I have never partook in any bar girls from Rainbow. If I was quoted that much though I wouldn't pay it. Since I am from the states and the dollar has fallen so much, 4000 baht is hardly a bargain. It defeats the whole purpose of flying so many miles. I guess it still would be for Europeans.

So if a guy like me was real interested in finding a russian/white lady for the night, where would be my best places to look? I will be making first trip to Bangkok next week. Any help would be appreciated and will definitely post my experience.

Thanks,

GT

[QUOTE=TripleX]Wow 4000, I have never been quoted that high for LT, but then again I have never partook in any bar girls from Rainbow. If I was quoted that much though I wouldn't pay it. Since I am from the states and the dollar has fallen so much, 4000 baht is hardly a bargain. It defeats the whole purpose of flying so many miles. I guess it still would be for Europeans.[/QUOTE]Well, 4000 is the stupid quote the mamasan shows on her "rate sheet". It is kind of ridiculous. What is even more ridiculous is that there are people paying these rates. And again, you guys always make the mistake to calculate prices in your home currency. The strength of the baht is no good reason. They buying power of that amount in Thailand is what you should look at.

Well I’m still on my break in BKK and after my exploits following my visit to Lollipop Bar in Nana I decide I still have unfinished business with #25 a tall, long legged girl with a shapely waist from Nakon Sri Sammarat.

She cannot do LT due to study commitments but is keen to do ST. I have moved on from Nana hotel so will have to use the rooms on the premises (3rd floor) at Baht 300 plus bar fine B 600 and B 1,500 her fee.

Now she is unusual in that she speaks very good English is intelligent (that’s not to say others aren’t ) but with limited English and my equally limited Thai it is difficult to know and we have a very interesting chat about the Japanese customers who have some unusual tastes but are liked by the girls because of their generosity. One of which had the previous evening presented all of the girls in club with what he thought was a baht 20 note only for all the girls to find themselves B1,000 richer! What beats me is how somebody so dumb can be so wealthy.

Anyway all this talking accompanied with the usual fondling is making the old boy frisky and we head upstairs to the room, which was not to bad and had a separate shower room, a quick shower together and it is down to business, however with my recent liaison with #41 see previous post plus my abysmal experience at the previous nights soapy (see post to come) I was feeling a bit jaded and unable to give of my best, nothing to do with the girl who was excellent.

Details:

Looks 7/8 But long legs nice shapely waist/hips and nice size breasts.
Enthusiasm 8
BBBJ
DATY
Cowgirl
Anal don’t know
Nice tight pussy with well trimmed pubes
Age 27
Not usual Thai looks very slightly Indian looking. (think southern thai looks)
French kissing no problem.

Would certainly see again.

Pedro 917

[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]That is certainly not the norm, your "buddy" may well be telling the truth but if other mongers on here think they can negotiate. . .the really pretty ones will hold out for 4000.[/QUOTE]

For sure, Jimmy. My buddy says he has paid her 1500 each time since- and there have, apparently, been several times since, and I expect from what he tells me there will be more, so maybe this girl is one of the smarter ones.

As to girls holding out for 4000, more power to them if they can manage it. Guys who plug into this board for info should know better, but if the chemistry/pheromones/immune system-aroma match (anyone else been reading about this lately? ) are correct, even guys who know better can be tempted to pay more. Still, how many of those guys are going to keep coming back to the same girl at those prices, especially once the lust has worn off? Which can be something like one nanosecond after the act. . .

I have not posted very much as I am usually a spectator to various topics in the different Forums UNTIL something hits "close to home".

I live and work in Europe and, THANK GOD!, am paid in a currency(not the Euro) that is doing fairly well against the Baht, at least, for the present!

Because of the fact that a colleague of mine maintains his residence in Thailand(as well as being of the monger persuasion), we are traveling to Thailand this summer when we take a holiday(for four(4) to five(5) weeks).

In fact, he is taking a trip there in two(2) months for ten(10) "on the ground and mongering" days in what I call a "time to recharge your batteries" trip. Unfortunately, my extremely limited finances prohibit me from going with him even though it kills me not to!

I have read the Bangkok/Thailand thread reports intensely for several months and, from all that I have gathered, I am "a day late and a dollar short" of partaking in the glorious days of mongering in Bangkok.

With my financial situation the way it is, this is devastating news for myself and for my future in Thailand as I had hoped to retire there and on a very meager pension, I might add!

I am now forced to consider other locations which I do not want to do since, from what I have read, Thailand is very "Westernized" and can offer me the amenities that will give me a "quality of life" that I am able to live with. When I am in my sixtys(in a very short period of years ahead) I don't think I will be too keen on "roughing it" just to stay "in budget".

I applaud the mongers who report in posts who draw the line and "just say no" to outrageous prices and walk or bargain down to real world, cost-of living Thai pricing. They not only help themselves(less payout) but the mongering population in general by keeping a lid on prices.

To quote an old question(that's kind of unsavory to think about) is "Why does a male dog lick its balls? Answer, "Because it can!"

Why do the P4P girls of Bangkok, and I assume other areas of Thailand, ask for amounts that will make them among the richest in the Thai population(and, in a short time, wealthier than many of the mongers they service). "Because they can!" is the answer but That does not mean they should get it!

Humanistic viewpoint:

I beg all (and you know who you are) do not be self-centered and think with you mind and and not with your penis. Let your past education in 'mind over matter" and "self-control" thinking do for you as your creator intended it to be as to make humans above the actions of lesser, unable to reason, creatures!

The next time when you are "out of your mind with lust" and you "just" can not live another day without having sex with this (or those) p4p provider (s), think of these facts:

Practical viewpoint:

1) the act of sexual activity is, generally. Pleasurable to any and all partners who partake in it. I don't know about you, but I can not remember a time that I was ever paid extremely well to do something that gave me physical pleasure.

Bear in mind that I am a consumate realist and I know that the vast majority of p4p providers (and this can be stated as, in general, a universal truism) have a repulsion towards having sexual activity with someone they are not attracted to. This is difficult to quantify but I'm sure what we obscenely pay them voluntarily more than compensates them for this, relatively, short-time inconvenience!

I always say that "women are going to like who they are going to like, and anything else is just paying for their time".

2) No investment needed for education or training except "learn while you earn" which they are paid good sums to do. In fact, the p4p provider is a classic "double dipper" as they learn from customers requests (given for free and with pleasure) on sexual techniques which they carry with them to increase their profits in later sex sessions!

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Staying the neighborhood a few times, I decided to check out what's going on upstairs for the first time. "Mandaring" is a GoGo bar on soi 4 2nd fl. Beer is 135bht which I think is norm for a GoGo place however, the bar fine there is 600bht, and the ST is 2000bht, LT is 3000. It is kind of disturbing to see I many guys bar fined the girls and took them away.

I fly to Thailand fuck for free, why fly all the way to Thailand and to pay European price?

Strad

[QUOTE=Tiger 888]Well, 4000 is the stupid quote the mamasan shows on her "rate sheet". It is kind of ridiculous. What is even more ridiculous is that there are people paying these rates. And again, you guys always make the mistake to calculate prices in your home currency. The strength of the baht is no good reason. They buying power of that amount in Thailand is what you should look at.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Green_Thumb]So if a guy like me was real interested in finding a russian/white lady for the night, where would be my best places to look?
GT[/QUOTE]
You might try Moscow.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]You might try Moscow.[/QUOTE]


LOL....

Also try CM2 or escort service...do a search under 'russians'. otherwise, besides moscow, fly up to bejing and visit maggies and other hot spots.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Also try CM2 [/QUOTE]

I can confirm there were white ladies available at CM2 recently, don't know if they were russian, assuming they were. Have no idea the cost or such as they are not my thing so didn't even bother to talk to them. But they were most definitely available for the right price whatever that might have been.

hi,

following a heavy session the previous night i decided i needed some relaxation so a soapy is in order, despite previous indifferent experiences at chao phaya 2, i decided to give them another shot.

about 50 girls in the fishbowl, but none really stood out, so i asked papasan who he would recommend for a good soapy and who was enthusiastic. well he was non committal but pointed out that those on left side gave soapy as opposed to massage on right, but all did full sex.

that narrowed it down a lot and i settled for #88. she was wearing a tailored tight dress with a high neckline. so i paid up my baht 1,900 which included a vip room and was then introduced to #88 whose name escapes me.

now i suspect that she was in her mid thirties and past her best but she did have a stunning pair of gravity defying breasts hidden beneath that tailored dress which was a bonus or so i thought.

well the rooms are not bad, lots of mirrors everywhere, round bed and a nice big tub with an adjacent area for the soapy mattress. now i like to take my time on occasions like this but she seemed to be moving a bit quick. but what the heck, she was proceeding to undress and expose those gravity defying whoppers. oh dear what a disappointment slightly droopy thai b cups but with big brown nips.

to cut a short story even shorter she performed all the anticipated requirements with nil enthusiasm or style in record time so much so that i considered calling the guinness book of records for a mention!

efforts like this give me absolutely no pleasure and i end up hurrying as well just to get it over with.

she then had the effrontery to ask for a tip so i obliged with 20 baht!

so the sp is.

10 out of 10 for seamstress who made that dress!
5 looks
3 effort
10 for speed

won’t be going there again, which is a shame as i suspect there are probably some nice experiences to be had there with more motivated partners.

pedro 917

I know one can find thai girls that allow anal at Eden club, but where are the other places where one might find such girls. I don't necessarily want to do the two-girls offered by Eden.

[QUOTE=Footloose]I know one can find thai girls that allow anal at Eden club, but where are the other places where one might find such girls. I don't necessarily want to do the two-girls offered by Eden.[/QUOTE]

Footloose, this is my scoop. Last year, in September, besides Eden and Hell, I had anal with most of the women I was with. Here is an example #1. One night, pulled one straight from the hotel bar, in the Sheraton. It was late, the bar was almost empty, and I was her gift from god. She wanted 3500B for the night. I said I'd give her 2500 if she did anal and BBBJ. She tried to get out of anal but I insisted. Back in the room the usual story of how early she needs to get up and change for work selling Toyotas. During anal she tried to manipulate me by making noises as to how much it hurts. I'm not a fool and I know when it hurts and when it doesn't, she was loosened up. At that point I said that if she keeps this shit up she'd have to leave. Anyway, she left early with 2000B asking for taxi money. I told her to take it out of 2000B. Typically, I'm a real gentleman with ladies who treat me right. Next is an example #2. I'm walking along SUK after visiting Sazanka an hour earlier getting nothing more than semi-professional massage with too many unnecessary extras and only a handjob. The kinky side of me took over and I decided to look for older women. Walked into Soi Cowboi from a higher numbered Soi and a small bar on the left side of the Soi. Nobody there except 3 Thai women. One of them was older - most likely early 50's. Right up my alley when I'm in my fetish mode. She was probably employed there in some capacity, but definitely not someone wating to be barfined. I ordered a drink and when she gave it to me asked her to sit down. Put my hand around her, stroked her hair, and then slipped my hand under her loose pants, feeling her ass, imagining I'm sitting with a school principal who lets me do all kinds of nasty things to her. She seemed surprised that someone might be interested in her and I was surprised that she was surprised. After all, I'm not the kinkiest guy on the planet, and working in such an environment she sees a lot of different types. Anyhow, we took a taxi to the Sheraton, after she quoted 1000B short time with BBBJ as part of FS. Back in the room, during the act, she starts complaining that I'm too big and she had not had sex in a long time. Now, listen to this, I'm not making this up: I suggest anal instead and she agrees!!! Tight she was not, and her attitude sucked. A lousy attitude from a 50yr old!!! Nevertheless, anal in 3 different positions. She didn't even asked me to change a condom when I switched. Gave her 50B taxi money. As she walked out of the door I heard her say "crazy" in English. Maybe it was because I called her "my little girl" when I was doing her backdoor. I was in that kind of mood. She was actually fairly cute for someone her age. Example #3. Got a 19 yr old from Beergarten, who looked like she just got out of work in some department store. As to how much she said "up to you" and that she can only do short time. She was much prettier that your typical Beergarten shark. Born and raised in Bangkok. I sensed that her only worry was that someone on the street might see her with a farang. When we laid in bed I jokingly asked her when I can meet her parents:) Ok. I fingered her ass and asked her for anal. She looked at me like I was crazy (I'm not) :). I said that her butthole is much larger than her vagina and that I'll lubricate her and give her a good tip. She asked how much to which I replied it would depend on how well she handles the situation. Her English was not very good but suffucient. We had anal for about 1 minute before she starts complaining that it hurts too much. In that case I believe her and pull out. She was so sweet looking that we met again for an overnight session, the following day. Again, anal for about 1 minute before I pulled out. Great time besides that. Many more examples, just on that trip alone. The bottom line is: they all try to get out of it even if it's agreed on, except for the Eden girls, of course. Most of them probably hate doing it with a farang, but from my experience many will do it for extra cash given they have few other options - late at night, no customers etc. Some might even do it because they like you, if you treat them right - happened to me in Pattaya. Otherwise, ask yourself this question: why would a TG agree to do anal with you, unless you look like a young Alain Delon, if there are all kinds of imbeciles throwing money at her. Japanese pricks throwing 1000b notes around for no apparent reason, or western screw-ups paying them 4000b long time in mediocre places like Nana. I'm not in my 20's or 30's anymore so I have to pay for what I like. But I'm not going to be a dickhead by overpaying, thus making the next trip more difficult and costly for myself and other people. So, yes, there is anal available everywhere, but it has to be at the right time and under the right circumstances. Not in Rainbow 4 at 9 o'clock at night for 3000b LT. And I'm not even talking about truly desperate characters, in places like Thermae or Grace coffee shop, who would do triple anal upside down sideways for 1500B. I think it helps to look at each girl as a totally different individual and not with a pre-conceived notion of what a stereotypical TG does and thinks. That's just my opinion.

That was a great report with plenty of truths about the rear entry any decent mongerer will confirm.

Do you all know why God must be a man?

(He designed females in a way you don't need to look into their eyes when you fuck their ass and tell them that it doesn't hurt )

[QUOTE=Footloose]I know one can find thai girls that allow anal at Eden club, but where are the other places where one might find such girls. I don't necessarily want to do the two-girls offered by Eden.[/QUOTE]Jesus! are people really too busy or Lazy to run a Search anymore?

Anal can be had without any problem at Tulip Massage (BTS Thong Lo)

Anal can also be had with FLs from any place, just ask and usually the ladies will allow it or point you in the right direction.

[QUOTE=Tulip777]Footloose, this is my scoop. Last year, in September, besides Eden and Hell, I had anal with most of the women I was with. Here is an example #1. One night, pulled one straight from the hotel bar, in the Sheraton. It was late, the bar was almost empty, and I was her gift from god. She wanted 3500B for the night. I said I'd give her 2500 if she did anal and BBBJ. She tried to get out of anal but I insisted. Back in the room the usual story of how early she needs to get up and change for work selling Toyotas. During anal she tried to manipulate me by making noises as to how much it hurts. I'm not a fool and I know when it hurts and when it doesn't, she was loosened up. At that point I said that if she keeps this shit up she'd have to leave. Anyway, she left early with 2000B asking for taxi money. I told her to take it out of 2000B. Typically, I'm a real gentleman with ladies who treat me right. Next is an example #2. I'm walking along SUK after visiting Sazanka an hour earlier getting nothing more than semi-professional massage with too many unnecessary extras and only a handjob. The kinky side of me took over and I decided to look for older women. Walked into Soi Cowboi from a higher numbered Soi and a small bar on the left side of the Soi. Nobody there except 3 Thai women. One of them was older - most likely early 50's. Right up my alley when I'm in my fetish mode. She was probably employed there in some capacity, but definitely not someone wating to be barfined. I ordered a drink and when she gave it to me asked her to sit down. Put my hand around her, stroked her hair, and then slipped my hand under her loose pants, feeling her ass, imagining I'm sitting with a school principal who lets me do all kinds of nasty things to her. She seemed surprised that someone might be interested in her and I was surprised that she was surprised. After all, I'm not the kinkiest guy on the planet, and working in such an environment she sees a lot of different types. Anyhow, we took a taxi to the Sheraton, after she quoted 1000B short time with BBBJ as part of FS. Back in the room, during the act, she starts complaining that I'm too big and she had not had sex in a long time. Now, listen to this, I'm not making this up: I suggest anal instead and she agrees!!! Tight she was not, and her attitude sucked. A lousy attitude from a 50yr old!!! Nevertheless, anal in 3 different positions. She didn't even asked me to change a condom when I switched. Gave her 50B taxi money. As she walked out of the door I heard her say "crazy" in English. Maybe it was because I called her "my little girl" when I was doing her backdoor. I was in that kind of mood. She was actually fairly cute for someone her age. Example #3. Got a 19 yr old from Beergarten, who looked like she just got out of work in some department store. As to how much she said "up to you" and that she can only do short time. She was much prettier that your typical Beergarten shark. Born and raised in Bangkok. I sensed that her only worry was that someone on the street might see her with a farang. When we laid in bed I jokingly asked her when I can meet her parents:) Ok. I fingered her ass and asked her for anal. She looked at me like I was crazy (I'm not) :). I said that her butthole is much larger than her vagina and that I'll lubricate her and give her a good tip. She asked how much to which I replied it would depend on how well she handles the situation. Her English was not very good but suffucient. We had anal for about 1 minute before she starts complaining that it hurts too much. In that case I believe her and pull out. She was so sweet looking that we met again for an overnight session, the following day. Again, anal for about 1 minute before I pulled out. Great time besides that. Many more examples, just on that trip alone. The bottom line is: they all try to get out of it even if it's agreed on, except for the Eden girls, of course. Most of them probably hate doing it with a farang, but from my experience many will do it for extra cash given they have few other options - late at night, no customers etc. Some might even do it because they like you, if you treat them right - happened to me in Pattaya. Otherwise, ask yourself this question: why would a TG agree to do anal with you, unless you look like a young Alain Delon, if there are all kinds of imbeciles throwing money at her. Japanese pricks throwing 1000b notes around for no apparent reason, or western screw-ups paying them 4000b long time in mediocre places like Nana. I'm not in my 20's or 30's anymore so I have to pay for what I like. But I'm not going to be a dickhead by overpaying, thus making the next trip more difficult and costly for myself and other people. So, yes, there is anal available everywhere, but it has to be at the right time and under the right circumstances. Not in Rainbow 4 at 9 o'clock at night for 3000b LT. And I'm not even talking about truly desperate characters, in places like Thermae or Grace coffee shop, who would do triple anal upside down sideways for 1500B. I think it helps to look at each girl as a totally different individual and not with a pre-conceived notion of what a stereotypical TG does and thinks. That's just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Tulip777 for your experiences. I don't mind asking the girls about anal, but it would be a hit or miss deal. As my time would be limited I wanted more definitive suggestions. Some one suggested MP Tulip where some girls (Yok e.g.,) would allow that. I realize that is under a differnet forum.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I can confirm there were white ladies available at CM2 recently, don't know if they were russian, assuming they were. Have no idea the cost or such as they are not my thing so didn't even bother to talk to them. But they were most definitely available for the right price whatever that might have been.[/QUOTE]


Probably from Uzbekistan or similar areas, price will be in the region of 5000 baht depending on the quality of the girl and the time of night, price can drop near to closing time.

Orriginally posted by Tulip777

"Japanese pricks throwing 1000b notes around for no apparent reason, or western screw-ups paying them 4000b long time in mediocre places like Nana. I'm not in my 20's or 30's anymore so I have to pay for what I like. But I'm not going to be a dickhead by overpaying, thus making the next trip more difficult and costly for myself and other people."

Dickheads, are you listening?

Amen and thank you for "adding to the chorus" of Thailand/Bangkok mongers who show caring(for fellow mongers), reason and sound judgement in dealing with p4p girls(see my previous post on how to quantify sex in a real-world perspective).

Mongers, there are uncountable fish in the sea in Bangkok/Thailand and p4p Thai girls who will "play ball" when they can see in you eyes that, if they don't "come down to earth" with realistic THAILAND sex pricing, you will take your business five(5)metres away to someone who will.

Everyone wins in this scenario! The cost of living in Thailand is so low that most p4p girls have enough to send home to mum and dad as well as buy cars, live in nice furnished apartments, etc. That extra 1000 Baht you do not give them will not force them to live on the streets!

The travesty of the whole situation is that if you compare what p4p girls in Thailand get for sexual activities figuring the COL(Cost of Living) index, they surpass most of their counterparts in the "much higher cost of living countries" of the world.

Sad, isn't it, so PLEASE, PLEASE be part of the solution and not the problem as the money you will save will be your own!

I wish I could do something about the Japanese, but I can't, so in the interest of not being accused of being a racist, "I will not go there".

Let us educate them to live their p4p lives by the creed that "a little bit of something is better than a lot of nothing".

[QUOTE=Tiger 888]Well, 4000 is the stupid quote the mamasan shows on her "rate sheet". It is kind of ridiculous. What is even more ridiculous is that there are people paying these rates. And again, you guys always make the mistake to calculate prices in your home currency. The strength of the baht is no good reason. They buying power of that amount in Thailand is what you should look at.[/QUOTE]

Tiger,

I agree and disagree. I don't like quote/rate sheets. What a turnoff, and of course, the quality of the girls varies from a 4 to an 8 in many of the Go-Go's. Why would someone pay a flat rate. I try to keep it to 3,000 baht or less at Nana. If not, Soi Cowboy has more than enough that are cute enough and would take that price or less. The money exchanged between the guy and girl is their business. Once I pay the barfine, my deal with the house is done. Don't forget guy's, getting phone numbers from the girls at the Soapie's, Oily's, Bars, etc. can get you action for less. Get them on their down time.

I don't agree with the "buying power in Thailand" philosphy. Whether you choose to agree or not, the world is just one big auction. The highest bidders for any type of commodity, wins the prize, so to speak. The other bidders then fight for the next best thing, and so on. The moment you decide to buy your plane ticket, you have accepted that you are going to fully enjoy yourself within whatever budget you have set up for yourself. From that point on, you are in competition with all of the other tourists from Japan, Korea, U.S., Europe, China, Australia, etc.

You are not thinking about the next guy, anymore than he is thinking about you. Yeah, there are those that say take one for the team, think about the other guy, yada yada yada. Next time, ask them what car they bought, what house they bought, what hotel they stayed in, where they ate. Did they think about the other guy in any of those cases? I think not. They paid the asking price and may have negotiated down, but still within the range of what the seller wanted. The seller makes you think you won, but the seller typically got what they wanted.

Peace,
AT2

[QUOTE=TripleX]Wow 4000, I have never been quoted that high for LT, but then again I have never partook in any bar girls from Rainbow. If I was quoted that much though I wouldn't pay it. Since I am from the states and the dollar has fallen so much, 4000 baht is hardly a bargain. It defeats the whole purpose of flying so many miles. I guess it still would be for Europeans.[/QUOTE]

TripleX,

The 4,000 baht may not be a bargain relative to the Thai economy, but you will not find an overnighter in the U.S., Japan, Korea, Europe, etc. for that amount. Most likely, you would need to pay 6,000 baht for an hour or two and 30,000 baht for an overnighter. No one likes the new asking prices, but for most guy's from developed countries, it is still a bargain.

AT2

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]TripleX,

The 4,000 baht may not be a bargain relative to the Thai economy, but you will not find an overnighter in the U.S., Japan, Korea, Europe, etc. for that amount. Most likely, you would need to pay 6,000 baht for an hour or two and 30,000 baht for an overnighter. No one likes the new asking prices, but for most guy's from developed countries, it is still a bargain.

AT2[/QUOTE]


Typical price for an overnighter in the UK is 50,000 baht, think about that next time you are quoted 4000 baht, I am not suggesting you should pay that for every girl.
If you don't mind "Ugly", there are plenty of 1000 baht deals on offer.

[QUOTE=Footloose]Thanks Tulip777 for your experiences. I don't mind asking the girls about anal, but it would be a hit or miss deal. As my time would be limited I wanted more definitive suggestions. Some one suggested MP Tulip where some girls (Yok e.g.,) would allow that. I realize that is under a differnet forum.[/QUOTE]

If you don't want to get 2 girls at Eden, just go there early enough and book one from the anal side for a takeout. Cost is 3000B from 10:00 pm to 6 am. She'll show up at your hotel room on time. Make sure she gives you good vibes when you pick her. And make sure they have a good lineup. That lady at the bar is notorious for picking the girls she wants for the lineup, while better ones are hanging outside or somewhere else. Make her understand that she needs to have a good line up for you and not somebody who had not been picked for a while. That's a sure thing.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]Typical price for an overnighter in the UK is 50,000 baht, think about that next time you are quoted 4000 baht, I am not suggesting you should pay that for every girl.
If you don't mind "Ugly", there are plenty of 1000 baht deals on offer.[/QUOTE]

JRC, how much is an hour long conventional massage in UK these days? I really need to know so I can figure out how much I have to pay for it in Thailand.

Lexb,

Your written "crusade" can continue, however most people will simply ignore it. In the quote below the comment about "Japanese throwing money around" is in the most incorrect, they come to Thailand for cheap sex, there is no point therefore throwing money around. This is a misconception on the part of some farang, who like to go around moaning over prices all the time.

Quite simply, at the end of the day the level of service you get will be related, in some way or other, to the money you are paying. Look at it this way, if someone is employing you at 50$ a day to do something, and your friend is empoyed at 150$ a day to do the same thing elsewhere, then who has the incentive to work hard and do a good job ?

The girls will also react in the same way, and its often why some men complain that this girls is bad, whilst others will say she is wonderful. This also relates of course to the mans looks, cleanliness, attitude etc.. as well.

If a girl is forced to accept a low rate of money for sex, then sex is all you will get in the most. There will not be anything else apart from functionary sex. Now if that is all you want, then fine, carry on.

If you want good service, if you want her to try hard to offer you a wonderful time such that she wants to try and see you again, your going to have to make her feel good, and that means a better offer.

Now, whilst I agree that people should not "overpay", there is also no need to be a tight ass and constantly "underpay" and for which you'll likely get bad service.

P4P is not just about cumming, you can wank for free. Its about paying for an experience. My experience I pay for should be "special". It should be in a nice enviroment, in a friendly atmosphere and with the girl performing well, and enjoying it (as far as can be) too. I am not going to get that everytime for 1000 Baht, so I am flexible in my payment, it can be from Free to up to 3000 Baht for LT. Most girls happily accept 1500 to 2000 for LT. Some require a little more. Now whilst it is possible to scour around and find someone to go LT for 1000B - that would take me too much time, too much effort and not be part of my wanting a nice overall experience. I do not consider plying the streets of Bangkok at 2am and 3am looking for a cheap fuck as "nice". I'd rather pay a few more baht earlier in the evening, and have a nice evening and morning with a pleasant girl who is not rushing to get out of the door and leave.

But as I say, its each to their own. Some people just want their cock inside a girl and cum, they do not care what she looks like, how she feels etc... these tend to be very selfish people, willing to spend thousands on themselves, but who want others to give to them for virtually nothing. Some people like the middle road, good price, good time. Some people like the high end stuff, as they think the more they pay the better it is.

Therefore, you should consider you are representing just your opinions, and whilst you may see them as valid, others may not. You should not really go around calling people "dickheads" just cause what you think they do is wrong.

Life is to be enjoyed, you might be dead tomorrow, and for all the 50 Bahts you save today, you cannot take them with you when you die.

I'd rather die very happy and poor having fucked 5000 girls, than a miserable twat and rich :)


[QUOTE=Lexb]Orriginally posted by Tulip777

"Japanese pricks throwing 1000b notes around for no apparent reason, or western screw-ups paying them 4000b long time in mediocre places like Nana. I'm not in my 20's or 30's anymore so I have to pay for what I like. But I'm not going to be a dickhead by overpaying, thus making the next trip more difficult and costly for myself and other people."

Dickheads, are you listening?

Amen and thank you for "adding to the chorus" of Thailand/Bangkok mongers who show caring(for fellow mongers), reason and sound judgement in dealing with p4p girls(see my previous post on how to quantify sex in a real-world perspective).

Mongers, there are uncountable fish in the sea in Bangkok/Thailand and p4p Thai girls who will "play ball" when they can see in you eyes that, if they don't "come down to earth" with realistic THAILAND sex pricing, you will take your business five(5)metres away to someone who will.

Everyone wins in this scenario! The cost of living in Thailand is so low that most p4p girls have enough to send home to mum and dad as well as buy cars, live in nice furnished apartments, etc. That extra 1000 Baht you do not give them will not force them to live on the streets!

The travesty of the whole situation is that if you compare what p4p girls in Thailand get for sexual activities figuring the COL(Cost of Living) index, they surpass most of their counterparts in the "much higher cost of living countries" of the world.

Sad, isn't it, so PLEASE, PLEASE be part of the solution and not the problem as the money you will save will be your own!

I wish I could do something about the Japanese, but I can't, so in the interest of not being accused of being a racist, "I will not go there".

Let us educate them to live their p4p lives by the creed that "a little bit of something is better than a lot of nothing".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tulip777]JRC, how much is an hour long conventional massage in UK these days? I really need to know so I can figure out how much I have to pay for it in Thailand.[/QUOTE]


Never had a "conventional massage" so I wouldn't know, one hour with sex would be about 10,000 baht, slightly less if you shop around.

I am traveling to Bangkok in a month and have a few questions. Do may of these clubs test for std's? Which clubs have the hottest chicks, price isn't that big of a concern? What are people's thoughts on Pat-Pong. A co-worker of mine enjoys going there when in-town. He says that there are a ton of extremely hot chicks, many with big fake boobs. His only complaint is about being hassled for extra money for beer and minor things like that.

Any information would be appreciated.

It was two long flights from Seattle to Bangkok the other night. About 20+ hours with the stop in Tokyo. Unfortunately the pathetic NWA entertainment system included a badly edited version of "The Beach. " Get me off of this plane. Ever drink snake blood?

Arrived to a long line at Thai Immigration. No problem. The woman let me not use my tourist visa, instead she stamped me in for 30 days as I'm heading to Macau soon (I know, strange syntax here). Quickly caught a cab on the 4th floor (departures) and rolled into Bangkok. Smooth sailing at 1 AM. Arrived at Livingstone's Lodge. Tired, but very happy to be there. Changed my shirt and went downstairs to the bar. Then the fun began.

Started chatting with two girls and ended up BF'ing them and sending a bottle of champagne up to my room. We went out to eat first to a sidewalk seafood place up Suk a few kilometers. Man it was good to be out of the cold, sterile place called America and sitting happily with two Thai lovelies eating pla muk.

Back to the room, drank a bit. Relaxed a bit. Had a little fun. Slept very well. One of the girls left early in the morning. The champagne did not agree with her. The other one stayed and I must say that a real pro sure can make a man feel good! I'm not much for the detailed kiss lick and tell.

The night of the first day, the three of us had a poolside dinner at Livingstone's.- great food and incredible ambiance. Crashed early last night. The time change and jet lag finally got the better of me. But today. Fresh and ready to go again. Even got to see the Pats beat the Chargers on ESPN at 5am. Ah Thailand. Gotta love it!

Snake blood? Not me!

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]TripleX,

The 4,000 baht may not be a bargain relative to the Thai economy, but you will not find an overnighter in the U.S., Japan, Korea, Europe, etc. for that amount. Most likely, you would need to pay 6,000 baht for an hour or two and 30,000 baht for an overnighter. No one likes the new asking prices, but for most guy's from developed countries, it is still a bargain.

AT2[/QUOTE]Yeah I agree, it still is a bargain for overnight in U. S. But maybe not after considering travel expenses. However you can get better prices than your quoting for ST in U. S. About $120(less than 6, 000 baht) all over Los Angeles or if convenient just head down to Mexico. Well no big deal anyways on the prices. There are always complaints about them but it didn't hurt me too badly on my last trip. I was just patient and turned down some chicks I really wanted to get with only to find even hotter ones later for lower prices. The highest I think I heard was 3, 000 baht though which was from a beer girl at Nana. The highest bar fine I was quoted was 1, 000 baht at coyote bar in Pattaya. I was gonna go back to Coyote at 1 am to get this girl there, who was so cute, because the bf was supposed to drop back down to 600. But then while I was waiting I found an equally cute girl for way less. I wound up spending the rest of my time in Pattaya with her.

[QUOTE=Member #1848]I am traveling to Bangkok in a month and have a few questions. Do may of these clubs test for std's? Which clubs have the hottest chicks, price isn't that big of a concern? What are people's thoughts on Pat-Pong. A co-worker of mine enjoys going there when in-town. He says that there are a ton of extremely hot chicks, many with big fake boobs. His only complaint is about being hassled for extra money for beer and minor things like that.

Any information would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
1848, all your questions have been asked, answered, and asked again.
Invest 2 hours, grab a pen, start reading in several of the threads, and you will have wayyyy more information than the answer to 3 or 4 questions you asked. Dive in and enjoy. Or as some are fond of saying, RTFF.

[QUOTE=Member #1848]I am traveling to Bangkok in a month and have a few questions. Do may of these clubs test for std's? Which clubs have the hottest chicks, price isn't that big of a concern? What are people's thoughts on Pat-Pong. A co-worker of mine enjoys going there when in-town. He says that there are a ton of extremely hot chicks, many with big fake boobs. His only complaint is about being hassled for extra money for beer and minor things like that.

Any information would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I don't know about the clubs requiring testing but I have been with a couple of girls who did it of their own accord. I went with them when they got tested. If you stay with one girl for a while there and are worried about it, you could suggest she get tested and go with her yourself. Could make for a much more enjoyable trip. I would sacrifice variety for a little peace of mind.

I hate Pat-Pong, mainly because of a really bad experience I had pulling two girls from Pat-Pong for a threesome. They seemed really friendly and playful with each other so I thought it was going to be a really good session. It was horrible, their attitude did a 180 as soon as I barfined them and they took every oppurtunity to try and wrangle more money from me. I stuck to my price and powered through the session but it really sucked. Now I associate Pat-Pong with crappy tourist trinkets and scams. I am sure it is probably okay but I haven't gone back and haven't missed it.

Sorry for the noob question, but I've spent an hour searching the forum and haven't really found any info on this subject. What are the best short time bars in Bangkok? Are there any said short time bars that are open in the afternoon? I hate to compare BKK to Pattaya yet again, but in Patters there's a great short time bar on Soi 3 called the Welkom Inn that's open during the day and offers punters loads of stunners at 1000 baht short time on the premises. Jade also offers the same. And of course there's Soi 6 - where there are about 50 short time bars open from midday until late at night - 1000 baht for short time (including barfine).

So are there any places like these in Bangkok? I'm sure there are, but from my searching the only one I've found any info on is Biergarden. Are there any others? Thanks!

[QUOTE=Durianfan]Sorry for the noob question, but I've spent an hour searching the forum and haven't really found any info on this subject. What are the best short time bars in Bangkok? Are there any said short time bars that are open in the afternoon? I hate to compare BKK to Pattaya yet again, but in Patters there's a great short time bar on Soi 3 called the Welkom Inn that's open during the day and offers punters loads of stunners at 1000 baht short time on the premises. Jade also offers the same. And of course there's Soi 6 - where there are about 50 short time bars open from midday until late at night - 1000 baht for short time (including barfine).

So are there any places like these in Bangkok? I'm sure there are, but from my searching the only one I've found any info on is Biergarden. Are there any others? Thanks![/QUOTE]

The Biergarten on Soi 7 is BY FAR the best of these that is open in the early afternoon. Another choice is Gulliver's on Soi 5 - the ladies there charge more, but the quality is high - these are both freelancer venues, so there is no bar fine, and the price is whatever you and the lady agree on. Also, most of the bars along Soi 2 (correction - it's Soi 4) near Nana Plaza are open by 2 in the afternoon, but the pickings can be slim before 6-7 PM.

Sorry to interject a negative note, but at Welkom Inn and the Soi 7 beergarden I've never really seen a 'stunner'. Nowadays most girls in both those places are around 35-40 years old.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]The Biergarten on Soi 7 is BY FAR the best of these that is open in the early afternoon. Another choice is Gulliver's on Soi 5 - the ladies there charge more, but the quality is high - these are both freelancer venues, so there is no bar fine, and the price is whatever you and the lady agree on. Also, most of the bars along Soi 2 near Nana Plaza are open by 2 in the afternoon, but the pickings can be slim before 6-7 PM.[/QUOTE]
I think your finger slipped. Bars are in Soi 4 (rather than 2).
Some Soi 4 bars should be open in the morning, e.g "Morning Night", but don't expect the girls are real cheap.
You would be better to go to SOL for a cheapy early in the day.

SOL? Sorry for another noob question, but I've no clue what it means.

[QUOTE=Durianfan]Sorry for the noob question, but I've spent an hour searching the forum and haven't really found any info on this subject. What are the best short time bars in Bangkok? Are there any said short time bars that are open in the afternoon? I hate to compare BKK to Pattaya yet again, but in Patters there's a great short time bar on Soi 3 called the Welkom Inn that's open during the day and offers punters loads of stunners at 1000 baht short time on the premises. Jade also offers the same. And of course there's Soi 6 - where there are about 50 short time bars open from midday until late at night - 1000 baht for short time (including barfine).

So are there any places like these in Bangkok? I'm sure there are, but from my searching the only one I've found any info on is Biergarden. Are there any others? Thanks![/QUOTE]

Beergarten is good. Gullivers on Soi 5 is good too. 1000B ST is too high for Pattaya. 500B is more like it.

[QUOTE=Durianfan]SOL? Sorry for another noob question, but I've no clue what it means.[/QUOTE]Dear Durianfan,

SOL is Star Of Light. A BJ on Patpong.

SOL is "the" place! When somebody asks me why I go to BKK, or what I miss from there is the first thing that comes in my mind. Only then, of course there are the gogo bars, the tens of pussies dancing fully naked at Suzywong or Long Gun at Soi Cowboy. Only then there are the porn-star experience of sublime sex at Tulip, Angels oily MPs at Suk, there are of course the soapies. The FLs, the beerbar girls, Pattaya, the thousand of smiling little sweets that hug you, kiss you like their lifetime boyfriend, suck you, fuck you and suck you again, till when YOU are tired. Only then of course comes to mind the thai food that I love, the isaan music (mor laam) that I love, and so on.

But SOL is above all. It is BKK and Thailand quintessential.

The BJ bar is something that gives our shared hobby a reason. You go there, pick a girl (or she picks you? ! ? ), pants go down (surely yours, maybe both, she kneels in front of you and begin to bare-blowing you till you come consistently in her mouth. She takes is all, and when you finish coming she cleans herself. It is warm, great, nice.

SOL is the best bjbar of all BKK's bjbars. You get serviced on one of the 2 sofas in the bar hall, in front of other costumers, or, more usually, in front of other girls, coming and going, washing and dressing up. A family atmosphere, more or less like when you were flirting in your gf's house, and the sister was just passing by

SOL girls are nice, young. They have a kind of network (villace, province, family): so it is not true what is generally said that " bjbar girls are ugly and old, because is cheap, and it is only BBBJ". Actually at SOL there are the old (and ugly) ones, but in general they are nice, young, slim, dark colored.

SOL rules because of the atmosphere: the girls are always smiling, laughing, joking. They seem to be in good mood, even if they should have some problems, sure. Service is impeccable. I always, always have been satisfied, by the BJ of course, by the attitude, by the jokes, the smiles, the small massage afterwards. Even when I was delaying embarassingly my cumming, they always make me feel ok. I love that place, I love those girls. Beer is 80baht, ask the girl for the service (usually no less than 700). The place is virtually always open. A lot of girls sleep there in the night and in the morning. And they are HAPPY to wake up with your dick in mouth. Enjoy SOL.

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[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]Never had a "conventional massage" so I wouldn't know, one hour with sex would be about 10,000 baht, slightly less if you shop around.[/QUOTE]

Jimmy,

I was going to say 9,000 baht for a conventional massage, but now I feel very foolish knowing for a measly extra 1,000 baht I could have had FS. Now I feel like such a newbie. My bad.

AT2

[QUOTE=Durianfan]SOL? Sorry for another noob question, but I've no clue what it means.[/QUOTE]
Yeh sorry, we get lazy about spelling out full names of well known bars. "Star of Light" any avid reader would probaly know.
After 58 reports you should know how to do a search on this thread for "SOL". You will get a lot of hits. Sooner or later you will hit one of my reports that goes into full detail. Hint: about late October.

On the other hand I don't understand what you mean by "Short Time Bars" Aren't they all O.K. for Short Time? Are there any "Long Time Bars????"

Do you mean bars where you can fuck on the premises without taking the girl away? If so, Star of Light is a place where you can have sex right in the bar without worrying who is looking.
Some bars have rooms on the premises. Deja Vu is one where I have not had to find a nearby room as Deja Vu has rooms upstairs.
But in all major bar areas there is always a short time room available very close by. Biergarten doesn't have rooms for sex, but they will be close by.

[QUOTE=Green_Thumb]So if a guy like me was real interested in finding a russian/white lady for the night, where would be my best places to look? I will be making first trip to Bangkok next week. Any help would be appreciated and will definitely post my experience.

Thanks,

GT[/QUOTE]Plenty of Russians hanging out in and around the Grace Hotel on Soi 3 at the moment. They have an eye for the Arabs and I've no idea of their going price, but it would be a place to look.

Hi!

Has anyone successfully booked an apartment for one or two month only.

In BKK?

Where?

How much?

[QUOTE=Tulip777]Beergarten is good. Gullivers on Soi 5 is good too. 1000B ST is too high for Pattaya. 500B is more like it.[/QUOTE]



500 baht will get you a very mediocre Beach Road lady, but why waste good money on quality, a hole is a hole.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]why waste good money on quality, a hole is a hole.[/QUOTE]Actually I think in Opebo's case you better say: "Any hole's a goal"

(Opebo, I am kidding, I hope you can take a joke, if not, I apologize)

Thermae in soi 15 is highly recommendable, far better than Beer Garden, more girls and better looking.
Nana in soi 4 is very good(carpark and alongside the street by Nana Plaza).
Gullivers is ok(soi 5), but not enough girls.
Stay away from Soi Cowboy, just a rip off.
Many freelancers alongside Sukhumvit road(northside), especially between soi 3 and 5(8 pm-2am)

William

[QUOTE=William Hauger]Thermae in soi 15 is highly recommendable, far better than Beer Garden, more girls and better looking.
Nana in soi 4 is very good(carpark and alongside the street by Nana Plaza).
Gullivers is ok(soi 5), but not enough girls.
Stay away from Soi Cowboy, just a rip off.
Many freelancers alongside Sukhumvit road(northside), especially between soi 3 and 5(8 pm-2am)

William[/QUOTE]
So Soi Cowboy is a Rip of because you have been ripped off and Thermae is better because you found a nice girl?

I have have never been ripped off but several others in this forum. Be my guest and find out by yourself. You have been warned!

William

[QUOTE=Tiger 888]So Soi Cowboy is a Rip of because you have been ripped off and Thermae is better because you found a nice girl?[/QUOTE]I have have never been ripped off but several others in this forum. Be my guest and find out by yourself. You have been warned!

William

[QUOTE=Opebo]Sorry to interject a negative note, but at Welkom Inn and the Soi 7 beergarden I've never really seen a 'stunner'. Nowadays most girls in both those places are around 35-40 years old.[/QUOTE]

Until my last trip in December, I would have agreed with this, but my take is that recently, the quality of the pooyang in the Biergarten is dramatically improved over prior visits. I took out two stunners that I repeated with that were quite fine, and there were more than a few alternates who would also have been excellent choices based on appearance. Very few of these ladies appeared to be over 30 (the two hot ones that I took were 27 and 25, with nary a hint of childbirth). I used to think of the Biergarten as the closest equivalent of the Star Wars bar that Bangkok had to offer, but that was surely not the case this past December.

On the downside, all of these ladies were now asking FAR more than Opebo has ever been known to pay. I saw precious few mutants who would have accepted 500-600 and been thankful for it.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]500 baht will get you a very mediocre Beach Road lady, but why waste good money on quality, a hole is a hole.[/QUOTE]

Actully, I pulled two OUTSTANDING beach road ladies for 500 each in mid-December. Each of whom I repeated with multiple times, and one of whom was actually the highlight of my entire trip, and I would have happily paid her 1200 ST and 2000 LT if she had negotiated for it. If she had not been out of commission for a few days because her Aunt Flo came calling, I'd have taken her every single night I was in Pattaya.

Admittedly, this is the exception, not the rule, but those gems ARE out there.

[QUOTE=William Hauger]I have have never been ripped off but several others in this forum. Be my guest and find out by yourself. You have been warned!

William[/QUOTE]Hahahahaha, what a bunch of bullshit! either you bring evidence to support your claim or you keep your mouth closed.

Stupid comments like the one above could actually discourage some newbies and take business away from the Soi Cowboy Bargirls who have done nothing wrong.

I am to be found in SC quite regularly and have yet to be ripped off. There are a few ladyboys hunting for drunkards at 2 am but that's about as far as the Ripoff goes.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]I used to think of the Biergarten as the closest equivalent of the Star Wars bar that Bangkok had to offer, but that was surely not the case this past December.[/QUOTE]That's because you're not looking properly. The ladies aren't the mutants at the BG7, WE are! LOL.

I am a relative newbie to the trade. I was in BKK recently for 2 nights. I checked out some of the usual spots and ended up spending some time at the Nana Hotel bar. I was at the bar for about 15 or 20 minutes chatting with the bar girls when a girl sitting next to me started making contact with me, touching, flirting, etc. She was obviously very drunk. Her face was butt ugly but she had a killer body. She pulled up her shirt and bra to show me the goods which were so nice I thought they were fake so I had a squeeze to make sure they were real, they were. She then pulled down the front of her jeans to show me the upper slice of her sweet pie. She tells me that she is staying at the Nana Hotel with another girl and she shows me the room key sticking out of her ass crack. She wants me to come up to her room with no mention of a price. At that point I am still feeling the place out so I am not in a hurry. After a couple of minutes of playing around she asks me if I will buy her a drink. I agree to buy her a drink (this girl does not work at the bar). So, a couple minutes later a girl that works at the bar presents me with a bill for 580 baht. What? She wanted me to pay for all the drinks she had that evening before I even met her. The rod in my pants quickly descended. I told her that I would buy her a drink but not all her previous drinks. Tears quickly welled up in her eyes but I held firm. I turned away from her to watch the television. She begins causing a scene at the bar and the bar girls are trying to calm her down. With tears in her eyes she finally pays her own bill. By that time the boss comes over to talk to her. As the boss is escorting her out of the bar she stops to ask me to come up to her room for free and gives me her room number. Thinking this could be more trouble than it’s worth I politely decline. After she leaves the bar the bar girls kept urging me to go up to her room because "it’s free". I would have loved to have tagged that but with all the trouble she was causing and her drunken state I think I made the right decision.

Southbound69

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[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]500 baht will get you a very mediocre Beach Road lady, but why waste good money on quality, a hole is a hole.[/QUOTE]

Jimmy, I couldn't even imagine this could be the point of contention. Decent looking women are available for 500B ST all around Beach Rd. Of course they are always on the lookout for big spenders, or as you say: "2 week millionaires". The last thing we need is for false rumors to spread thus fulfulling the 1000B prophecy. There is no reason to go to a shit hole like Pattaya, with no swimmable beach, to pay 1000B ST. Might as well stay in Bangkok. When will this madness stop? Only yesterday some guy was asking for suggestions in Patpong telling us the price is no an issue. If price is not an issue why not go to Tokyo? For most of these people price is not an issue only because it's dirt cheap to begin with. Cheap sex is special not only because it's cheap but because being cheap makes it very special.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]Actully, I pulled two OUTSTANDING beach road ladies for 500 each in mid-December. [/QUOTE]


I hear stories like this all the time but never seem to see any photos of them, I have NEVER seen an OUTSTANDING girl on Beach Road, if they are outstanding what the fu** are they doing on Beach Road. ?????

[QUOTE=Tulip777] When will this madness stop? [/QUOTE]



It wont stop because in high season for every monger like you who only wants to pay 500 baht there will be another who is more than happy to pay 1000 baht or even more.

Are they spoiling it for others ?
Possibly.

Do they care. ?
Why should they. ?

[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]I hear stories like this all the time but never seem to see any photos of them, I have NEVER seen an OUTSTANDING girl on Beach Road, if they are outstanding what the fu** are they doing on Beach Road. ?????[/QUOTE]I have been there in november and have also seen some outstanding girls on beach road. what the **ck should the do in a gogo or beerbar?

[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]It wont stop because in high season for every monger like you who only wants to pay 500 baht there will be another who is more than happy to pay 1000 baht or even more.

Are they spoiling it for others ?
Possibly.

Do they care. ?
Why should they. ?[/QUOTE]

There will always be people who just don't give a damn if they spoil the market. But I truly believe that most are rational enough not to pay double the going rate. They usually don't get better girls or better service with their extra 500B. With over 200,000 people reading ISG what is said here does make a difference. There is a reason why some sign on and on their very first post start advertising certain massage parlors. They would do better by training their personnel not to slack off. Anyway, arguing about it is just a big waste of time.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]Never had a "conventional massage" so I wouldn't know, one hour with sex would be about 10,000 baht, slightly less if you shop around.[/QUOTE]No one going below £150 on any agency in London. Of course can pay a lot more 2-3 times more just for an hour. Used to see a girl called Caprice who charged £700 (50000 THB) for 3 hours

Hence why I'm looking forward to my 10days BKK/Phuket at end of March. My money will last a long time and I will attempt to stick to the prices suggested here

Has the extended mourning period had an effect (or any effect) in Bangkok? Been reading about funeral pyre. Just wondered if police were taking any action to tone things down in the bars etc?

[QUOTE=Mikle]Dear Durianfan,

SOL is Star Of Light. A BJ on Patpong.

Beer is 80baht, ask the girl for the service (usually no less than 700). The place is virtually always open.

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Isn't 700B steep just for a BBBJ wen you can pay 1000B for a ST/FS?

[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]I hear stories like this all the time but never seem to see any photos of them, I have NEVER seen an OUTSTANDING girl on Beach Road, if they are outstanding what the fu** are they doing on Beach Road. ?????[/QUOTE]

Mostly, they're newbies. Certainly the two really nice ones that I pulled were. As far as photos, I wasn't aware of my responsibility to edify YOUR desires when I am enjoying the company of a hot young thing whom I am paying. I don't post photos of the fuglies and the overpriced girls and the ones with bad attitudes either. In fact, I don't post photos at all. Because it's not my thing.

Suffice it to say, I pulled about 25 different ladies over the course of my 3 weeks in Thailand. And the Short Time prices ran the gamut from 500 baht on Pattaya Beach Road, to as much as 1500 baht in Bangkok. And of these 25 different ladies, the VERY best of them was a beautiful 21 year old newcomer who I pulled from Beach Road in Pattaya. she was sitting on a bench eating some food she had just bought in a roadside stand. I stopped her and said hello. She was immediately friendly and asked me where I was going, and I told her. I asked her how much, and she said - "how much you pay short time?" I offerred her 500 because I was on beach road, and I fully expected her to come back with 1000. Instead, she smiled and said sure. She was great, enthusiastic, sweet, and spoke pretty decent english. I saw her again each of the next 2 days, and then she had her period, - first witnessed when I was with her the third time, and said didn't return my calls during each of the next 3 days. I called her again the last day of my trip, and she said she'd see me, and I spent my last 4 hours in Pattaya with her for 1000, before leaving for the airport.

I also saw one other Beach Road lady who was ALMOST as nice and equally hot, from Chiang Mai, who I did during the days my other friend was not available (she only worked afternoons, which might explain why she wasn't in a bar), and 2 others from beach road who were nowhere NEAR as enjoyable as the two best.

[QUOTE=Footloose]Isn't 700B steep just for a BBBJ wen you can pay 1000B for a ST/FS?[/QUOTE]

It is what it is. Some folks have negotiated the BBBJ down to as low as 500. And others pay quite a bit more for their ST/FS.

[QUOTE=Footloose]Isn't 700B steep just for a BBBJ wen you can pay 1000B for a ST/FS?[/QUOTE]
Well many of the unattractive ladyboys are hard up for customers, so I guess could get an LB BJ for less than 700. If you think 700 is a lot in Bangkok, you could switch sides and give the service to guys yourself.

Perhaps you are better off in Pattaya where everything is cheaper.

I do remember well many years ago when could go to the Kangaroo Club for a cheap lunch time BJ or FS.

The Freelancers in Bangkok all work the same bars.

Its a common misconseption and totally incorrect to say this one is better than that.

I know plenty of the girls, and they all work different bars. The same girls do work Gullivers Soi 5, BeerGarden Soi7 and Thermae Soi 15. Thermae Soi 15 has some additional J-only girls who are better dressed and made up (Japanese Clients Only). These girls only work Thermae as they only want to pick up Japanese men, which is why there is a misconception that Thermae has "more girls". It does, but some are not available to farangs.

So, before you take a girl from Gullivers and think she is better than BeerGarden and pay more, she is very likely a girl who also works the BeerGarden, just you are paying more for your pleasure.

The girls work multiple bars to gain more money, if they are looking for a quick turn, then the Beer Garden Soi 7 offers more potential clients. Its the busiest bar for girls and punters.

If the girl is ok for money, she will try to maximise her returns by moving to Gullivers for a few weeks, hoping to pick up a punter willing to pay more than a Beer Garden punter.

If a girl hits on bad times, you'll find her at 12am to 2am in Thermae, where loads of girls go looking for a punter before they are forced to go home alone.

If a girl is doing ok for money, but not found a man before 2am, then you'll find her is Spice Club Soi 11, along with many other freelancers and gogo girls who have not picked up yet, but want to party and potentially find a customer from there.

You are really only kidding yourselves if you think that girls from different bars are better than other bars, or you pay more. All the freelancers work all the bars. They simply cater for different times and climates.

EG. One girl I know was working BeerGarden and Gullivers, BeerGarden afternoon and early evening due to many men, Gullivers in the late evening hoping to pick up a higher payer. If she met with a long term client, she would go to Absolute Soi 7/1 and Spice Club Soi 11 mostly for evenings with him, so she can avoid potential customers in BG and Gullivers seeing her with a long term.

Now, she has done well from a couple of LT friends, and now she is pretty well off in terms of freelancers, and so she has now changed her working enviroment, she no longer ever goes to BG, and sometimes will be in Gullivers. She will be in disco's Soi 11 more than anywhere else.

And by understanding this you can see how the girl moves up the "food chain". The more she makes, the more experienced she becomes, then she will move on to different bars and higher prices.

The interesting thing here is that for those with time to wait and look around (as in you live here and not just on holiday), if you are looking for really inexperienced (in the professional term) girls, who are sweet and genuine (not battle hardened). You are not going to find them in the premium market segment, like G-Clubs and expensive bars.

You have to go back to basics, of where these girls enter into the P4P trade, and to find these girls, you often will do so at Soi7 and the Nana Car Park/Sukhumvit road at night. For this is where, from time to time, you can find a real cutie (amongst the old word out ones) thats new to the scene, who does not know where to go, but just knows the famous places.

Anyway, gone off topic, however, back on topic, don't get fooled that you pay more due to the girl being in a different bar. They work them all, and if you persist you can get the same charges across the board.

[QUOTE=William Hauger]Thermae in soi 15 is highly recommendable, far better than Beer Garden, more girls and better looking.

Nana in soi 4 is very good(carpark and alongside the street by Nana Plaza).
Gullivers is ok(soi 5), but not enough girls.

Stay away from Soi Cowboy, just a rip off.

Many freelancers alongside Sukhumvit road(northside), especially between soi 3 and 5(8 pm-2am)

William[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Footloose]Isn't 700B steep just for a BBBJ [/QUOTE]Sure! you can jack yourself off in your room, it's free, you can't beat that.

For the record, I much prefer a BBBJ @ 700 rather than a Covered FS @ 1000.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]the VERY best of them was a beautiful 21 year old newcomer who I pulled from Beach Road in Pattaya.... She was immediately friendly... She was great, enthusiastic, sweet, and spoke pretty decent english. [/QUOTE]Good for you! I love it when they have the Whole Package (Looks + Great Attitude) it makes the experience so much better!

[QUOTE=Footloose]Isn't 700B steep just for a BBBJ wen you can pay 1000B for a ST/FS?[/QUOTE]

It's hard for a typical TG working in a BJ place to comprehend 20%-40%+ tips, often on top of drinks. They typically come from places where people live on a $1/day. Makes them confused as to who is blowing whom. When they charged 500B and got 100B-200B tips they figured the price should be 700B. Since they'll keep on getting these tips from people who are constantly converting baht into dollars and pounds expect the prices to go up even more.

[url]http://www.asiansexgazette.com/asg/southeast_asia/southeast08news98.htm[/url]

Here an interesting article, wonder if anyone ever encountered these ladies. Also any info on the club "sisters"?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Sure! you can jack yourself off in your room, it's free, you can't beat that.

For the record, I much prefer a BBBJ @ 700 rather than a Covered FS @ 1000.[/QUOTE]
Its virtually criminal if you have to Jack-off in Thailand. I keep that for home in Aus.

Now Nic, too much FS and too many rounds per day, must be making you lazy or desensitized or having to watch the mongering budget? :D

Whats the least number of pops you ever had in a week in Bangkok (assuming not iincredibly sick)? And the most pops in a day?
I know I couldn't possibly compete (so I'll protest I'm too old these days).

[QUOTE=Easy2007]The Freelancers in Bangkok all work the same bars.

Its a common misconseption and totally incorrect to say this one is better than that.

I know plenty of the girls, and they all work different bars.
[/QUOTE]

Not strictly true, I see freelancers in CM2 who I have never seen in the Beergarden, when I ask them about the Beergarden they say "Too many Cheap Charlies".

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Now Nic, too much FS and too many rounds per day, must be making you lazy or desensitized or having to watch the mongering budget? :D[/quote]Nah, it's none of that, I'm just very busy at work and have no time to write reviews of the places I have been to lately (Thonglor1, Teen2, Koko1) but I promise to catch up soon.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Whats the least number of pops you ever had in a week in Bangkok (assuming not iincredibly sick)? And the most pops in a day?
I know I couldn't possibly compete (so I'll protest I'm too old these days).[/QUOTE]Least number of Pops in a week (assuming 7 days) was last year. 2 pops.

I had to meet a lot of clients and be at a lot of Pointless parties, which left me time only to go to Tulip once in that week (2 pops in the same session).

Most pops in a day (assuming you count from midnight to midnight) was 6. And I can tell you I was begging for it to stop but my ChiangMai Gik had other plans. (Review Started in the CM Thread (part 1 & 2) but not finished yet)

How about you?

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Its virtually criminal if you have to Jack-off in Thailand. I keep that for home in Aus.

Now Nic, too much FS and too many rounds per day, must be making you lazy or desensitized or having to watch the mongering budget? :D[/QUOTE]I think that has been my problem lately, as well as sore dick, with the daily average up to 5000. Bringing spending back down to 3G after a day or two at the theatre should cure all ills. Besides I'm looking forward to seeing Hitman.

As for jerking off, that cums in handy whenever I get sick of female company. With the butt plug, naturally. Even TGs yak too much with their virtually complete ignorance of the English language. It's hard for a woman to stifle herself. The perfect date would be one where she cums to your hotel room and says nothing at all the whole time.

[QUOTE=Footloose]Isn't 700B steep just for a BBBJ wen you can pay 1000B for a ST/FS?[/QUOTE]

yes, it is not cheap, but that is not just some BJ you get there! It is one of the best ones you will ever get anywhere and it is an experience by itself to get it in the middle of the bar (though I am not sure that makes a higher price more reasonable).

Try, you will never go back or repeat as often as possible. No inbetween!

Mike

Punters in Beergarten are not "cheap Charlies" just because there are so many suckers in CM2 and Spasso. Many of the women started in places like Beergarten, so in effect they are the same crowd only with much more mileage and better make-up. The greedier the shark gets in Spasso the cheaper the Beergarten "Charlie" appears to her. Why go to a western style venue when in BKK, unless it's for a Slavic variety? Must be a nostalgia for being ripped-off. I will not pay $20 US cover charge (I can get ST for that) only to have a privilege to overpay some girl who thinks her shit doesn't stink because she wears better make-up and is well dressed. In reality it's the same quality of talent as in BG, only with more miles and a bad attitude. Yes, you can find beautiful women in such a venue, but that can happen anywhere. Most of the time it is make-up and how she presents herself. I've met more than one in BG.

@ NicFrenchy ; A+

Does anyone know of an apartment or hotel for one or two month in BKK?

- Where?
- How much low budget?
- Gf friendly?

[QUOTE=Infomatic]@ NicFrenchy ; A+

Does anyone know of an apartment or hotel for one or two month in BKK?

- Where?
- How much low budget?
- Gf friendly?[/QUOTE]

Google President Park (soi 24), Admiral Suites (Soi 22), Omni Tower (soi 4).

[QUOTE=Infomatic]
Does anyone know of an apartment or hotel for one or two month in BKK?

- Where?
- How much low budget?
- Gf friendly?[/QUOTE]
FYI, There is a Bangkok Hotels thread

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Least number of Pops in a week (assuming 7 days) was last year. 2 pops.

I had to meet a lot of clients and be at a lot of Pointless parties, which left me time only to go to Tulip once in that week (2 pops in the same session).

Most pops in a day (assuming you count from midnight to midnight) was 6. And I can tell you I was begging for it to stop but my ChiangMai Gik had other plans. (Review Started in the CM Thread (part 1 & 2) but not finished yet)

How about you?[/QUOTE]
Well Nic, we must be astonished.
Didn't realise that work could interfere that much in Bangkok.
I don't think I have ever had as low as 2 pops in a week in Bangkok, unless it was 25 years ago when I had a Farang wife and not even then. Somewhere else in Thailand with GF constantly in attendance, probably has been as low as 2 when she had her period.

Most pops in a day is probably only 3 or 4 in recent years.
Many years ago, once went 7 rounds with a Philipino girl in a 24 hour stretch but only 5 actual pops. That would have been my record.
In german FKKs, never managed more than 4 pops in an all day visit .

At my age, I'm happy with 2 per day and only 1 on some days.
Some days in Thailand, got no pops (e.g. GF has period), but that leaves me frustrated.

Guys

I find BKK quite a drag at times.. I mean, I promise myself leaving for work not to look at pussy all day. Kind of focus on work only, but hey, by the time I leave the BTS my inner demons make their presence felt :-)

Come lunch time, with all the sweet girls in my office, I am seriously hampered in my ability to focus on work alone.

Good news is that within a radius of 500 meters there are ample MP's. But a few hours after I find relieve, that nagging feeling is back. Oh well...

Truly a victim of circumstance :-)

JB




[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Well Nic, we must be astonished.
Didn't realise that work could interfere that much in Bangkok.
I don't think I have ever had as low as 2 pops in a week in Bangkok, unless it was 25 years ago when I had a Farang wife and not even then. Somewhere else in Thailand with GF constantly in attendance, probably has been as low as 2 when she had her period.

Most pops in a day is probably only 3 or 4 in recent years.
Many years ago, once went 7 rounds with a Philipino girl in a 24 hour stretch but only 5 actual pops. That would have been my record.
In german FKKs, never managed more than 4 pops in an all day visit .

At my age, I'm happy with 2 per day and only 1 on some days.
Some days in Thailand, got no pops (e.g. GF has period), but that leaves me frustrated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tulip777]Punters in Beergarten are not "cheap Charlies" just because there are so many suckers in CM2 and Spasso. Many of the women started in places like Beergarten, so in effect they are the same crowd only with much more mileage and better make-up. The greedier the shark gets in Spasso the cheaper the Beergarten "Charlie" appears to her. Why go to a western style venue when in BKK, unless it's for a Slavic variety? Must be a nostalgia for being ripped-off. I will not pay $20 US cover charge (I can get ST for that) only to have a privilege to overpay some girl who thinks her shit doesn't stink because she wears better make-up and is well dressed. In reality it's the same quality of talent as in BG, only with more miles and a bad attitude. Yes, you can find beautiful women in such a venue, but that can happen anywhere. Most of the time it is make-up and how she presents herself. I've met more than one in BG.[/QUOTE]



So let me get this straight.

1) Payment for sex should be one price irrespective of girls beauty.

Using that logic why don't you choose a 60 yr old grandma for the price of Beergarten girl?
The answer is that you do pay based on beauty buy want to put a cap on the price that you determine. Not what the market determines.

2) If you are in the market for top talent, you are suggesting Beergarten has the same selection as CM2/Spasso. If you say yes, your entire credibility is out the door.


Why do guys insist that the cost of sex should be a fix set price? It should be flexible where the prettier girl gets more money. It doesn't 'ruin' the market since the prettier girl can always find the demand and the 'uglier' girl demanding 'pretty' girl prices will get no business.

It just seems guys want the top girls at average girl price but not willing to pay average girl price for atrocious look girl.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Its virtually criminal if you have to Jack-off in Thailand. I keep that for home in Aus.

[/QUOTE]

Mick,

I would remove the word virtually.

AT2

[QUOTE=Hk Dog]<cut>
Why do guys insist that the cost of sex should be a fix set price? It should be flexible where the prettier girl gets more money. It doesn't 'ruin' the market since the prettier girl can always find the demand and the 'uglier' girl demanding 'pretty' girl prices will get no business.

It just seems guys want the top girls at average girl price but not willing to pay average girl price for atrocious look girl.[/QUOTE]
Could not agree more. We are in a barter economy. You have to bargain for a price that suits both the buyer and and the seller.

There is no reason a girl must fuck for a pitance when she knows that she is desirable enough to command a higher price with certainty.
What would stunning girls be doing in Pattaya if they believe they can make a lot more money in Bangkok.

Some MP girls put themselves into the Model category, not always because they are better or prettier, but sometimes they just want to set a higher price for themselves so they don't have to work as many times to make the same money. That's their right.
But I have become suspicious now that the "models" are most lazy ones rather than the really pretty ones.

A top quality bed can cost several times the price of a crap mattress so its the same thing.
I can demand I high rate per hour because I have more expertise than some other guys in my field.
The very top models can demand outrageous sums per hour, purely because of their looks.

Its all the same thing.

[QUOTE=Hk Dog]So let me get this straight.

1) Payment for sex should be one price irrespective of girls beauty.

Using that logic why don't you choose a 60 yr old grandma for the price of Beergarten girl?
The answer is that you do pay based on beauty buy want to put a cap on the price that you determine. Not what the market determines.

2) If you are in the market for top talent, you are suggesting Beergarten has the same selection as CM2/Spasso. If you say yes, your entire credibility is out the door.


Why do guys insist that the cost of sex should be a fix set price? It should be flexible where the prettier girl gets more money. It doesn't 'ruin' the market since the prettier girl can always find the demand and the 'uglier' girl demanding 'pretty' girl prices will get no business.

It just seems guys want the top girls at average girl price but not willing to pay average girl price for atrocious look girl.[/QUOTE]


No, we are not in a position to put caps on anything. Yes, beautiful women command higher fees. Yes, you have more chance to meet a beautiful woman in Spasso than in BG (better dressed one for sure), and there is more of a chance to meet a fresh face in BG than Spasso. The girls will always want as much as they can get away with and that makes it important for us to pay as little as we can get away with, and not to contribute to the "hustler vs sucker" culture prevalent in the P4P scene in the West. Otherwise, we'll end up with "market" pricing reflecting what we can afford, irrespective of the fact that we are in a country where many people live on $1/day. Skewed reality becomes new reality. Let's insist on 3rd world pricing when we are in the third world. Remember an average salary in Thailand is 6000B a month. Some say that we can't make a difference because there is always that "2 week millionaire" around - it's like saying one should not vote in a democratic society because a single vote does not make a difference.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]What would stunning girls be doing in Pattaya if they believe they can make a lot more money in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Interesting comment, we seem flooded by posts of how "cheap" ST and LT is in Pattaya, and how they are all stunners. So you have to ask the question why these girls have not progressed and moved up to Bangkok, where they can earn lots more money?

Does the sea and sand effect mens eyesight? Are the stunners not really stunners? What is it that keeps them earning less in Pattaya than they could in Bangkok?

[QUOTE=Tulip777]<...> that makes it important for us to pay as little as we can get away with, and not to contribute to the "hustler vs sucker" culture prevalent in the P4P scene in the West. <...> [/quote]I do not agree with this Theory. While I understand that there are market prices (I pay them 90% of the time) you should not forget that you are dealing with human beings and not merchandises.

I have been quoted 1500 ST @ the BG7, but instead of laughing histerically and turning away, I smiled and asked her if she knew that most girls charged 500 ST? She did so I asked her what was so special about her that she would need 1500 and her reply was satisfying enough: She offered 2 hours and 2 pops included, with Everything I wanted. She was Pretty so I paid up and trust me, I didn't regret it.

A good thing to do at the BG7 is to offer the girl a tip if the session is excellent, agree to 500ST + another 500 if she outdones herself, that usually works pretty well (for me anyhow).

[QUOTE=Tulip777]. Let's insist on 3rd world pricing when we are in the third world. Remember an average salary in Thailand is 6000B a month..[/QUOTE]


So you are saying you pay the same price for sex as the average BKK taxi driver? The taxi driver would say you are distorting the market!

[QUOTE=Skeeter Pratt]Thanks to everyone for their great reports. I must say I had what I think is some good luck with nana car park, here are a couple of FL that I picked up[/QUOTE]

Hey, I know everyone else is interested in that girl with the big breasts, however I really need to ask you about the girl in pic HPIM0186.jpg. I see her outside Nana all the time and have wanted to take her since she first appeared on the scene some time ago, but I never seem to get round to it.

Please tell us what she is like, her performance, attitude, price details etc etc. Even her name and age if you can remember it (PM if you prefer). This enquiring mind really wants to know! As much detail as you can about her please. Hey, did you see that friend of hers who looks like a J-Girl who always stands by the food stall outside NEP? Another one I am dying to try but she appears to only go for Japanese guys.

In Thailand next month for 10 days. Need a 'fixer/engineer' tour guide to get me the things I desire.

Not new to mongering, but never been to Thailand.. hoping someone can recommend someone with boots on the ground to negotiate, provide security, and get access to all things Thai.

Any help appreciate..

Zardoz

[QUOTE=Hk Dog]So you are saying you pay the same price for sex as the average BKK taxi driver? The taxi driver would say you are distorting the market![/QUOTE]

Everybody pays as little as they can get away with. The girls will always try to get away with as much as they can.

[QUOTE=Zardoz211] provide security.Zardoz[/QUOTE]

Security? Where the fuck do you think you're going to be...Iraq?

[QUOTE=Zardoz211]In Thailand next month for 10 days. Need a 'fixer/engineer' tour guide to get me the things I desire.

Not new to mongering, but never been to Thailand.. hoping someone can recommend someone with boots on the ground to negotiate, provide security, and get access to all things Thai.

Any help appreciate..

Zardoz[/QUOTE]Provide security? Are you expecting the Thai girls to attack you? As long as you stay out of the way of their machine guns, you will be ok. ;)

How do I get a ask for a threesome?

Good OTH, you always fucking crack me up ;)

[QUOTE=Mauldid][url]http://www.asiansexgazette.com/asg/southeast_asia/southeast08news98.htm[/url]

Here an interesting article, wonder if anyone ever encountered these ladies. Also any info on the club "sisters"?[/QUOTE]Back in the late 80s, I had the pleasure of encountering two sets of twins on Patpong and one sister act in a massage parlor. These were some of the best experiences I've ever had.

It seems these girls genes make them inseperable. I guess they feel incomplete, sort of half of a whole, when they are apart.

It was a real fantasy come true, especially when they said "Ahh! You like sandwich! "

They seemed to know exactly what do to to pick up the action from the other girl. A real tandem operation.

I will be visiting BKK shortly.

I would appreciate suggestions on a "must experience " itinerary.

I am keen on
>Nude go-go's
>Massage (sexual )with great technique
>Soapy massage
>anything else you recommend

I don't mind higher costs/surcharges but the experience/place must have a high probability of being excellent.

Mick,thanks for all the reports

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]

A good thing to do at the BG7 is to offer the girl a tip if the session is excellent, agree to 500ST + another 500 if she outdones herself, that usually works pretty well (for me anyhow).[/QUOTE]

This is a good strategy in all mongering locales.

[QUOTE=Zardoz211]In Thailand next month for 10 days. Need a 'fixer/engineer' tour guide to get me the things I desire.

Not new to mongering, but never been to Thailand.. hoping someone can recommend someone with boots on the ground to negotiate, provide security, and get access to all things Thai.

Any help appreciate..

Zardoz[/QUOTE]
My first mongering trip to Thailand, just happened to bump into this mate at the airport. He then set me on the wrong course by introducing me to Soi Cowboy, Patpong, Kangaroo club, The Thermae Massage, the Thermae coffee shop bar, Chavala, and so on.

These days, no guide is needed as your have the ISG which tells just about EVERYTHING you could possibly want to know.

Look through the Thailand FAQs as well.

Thailand is more of a "go with the flow" sort of place unless you are on a very tight schedule. Just see what thing appeals to you. Try it. Then just see what happens. Half the fun is exploring new places, things, and above all plenty of pussy.

[QUOTE=L A Guy]Hey, I know everyone else is interested in that girl with the big breasts, however I really need to ask you about the girl in pic HPIM0186.jpg. I see her outside Nana all the time and have wanted to take her since she first appeared on the scene some time ago, but I never seem to get round to it.

Please tell us what she is like, her performance, attitude, price details etc etc. Even her name and age if you can remember it (PM if you prefer). This enquiring mind really wants to know! As much detail as you can about her please. Hey, did you see that friend of hers who looks like a J-Girl who always stands by the food stall outside NEP? Another one I am dying to try but she appears to only go for Japanese guys.[/QUOTE]

L A Guy,

No offense, but just go for it. What's it going to set you back? $30, $60, god forbid $90? Every mongering scene or girl will always be YMMV. She could have been great with someone else and suck with you, or visa versa. If you think she looks good, only one way to find out how she is in the sack. Find out yourself.

Don't be shy, Don't hesitate. It's BKK.

AT2

[QUOTE=Tulip777]The girls will always want as much as they can get away with and that makes it important for us to pay as little as we can get away with, and not to contribute to the "hustler vs sucker" culture prevalent in the P4P scene in the West. Otherwise, we'll end up with "market" pricing reflecting what we can afford, irrespective of the fact that we are in a country where many people live on $1/day. Skewed reality becomes new reality. Let's insist on 3rd world pricing when we are in the third world. Remember an average salary in Thailand is 6000B a month. Some say that we can't make a difference because there is always that "2 week millionaire" around - it's like saying one should not vote in a democratic society because a single vote does not make a difference.[/QUOTE]

Tulip,

The biggest flaw in your view, is that we are NOT competing with the Thai taxi driver making 6,000 baht a month. No, each hobbyist is competing with the next guy, who came from the U.S., Europe, Asia, etc. who is making somewhere between US$50K to US$200K, and some much much more. When you buy beach front property in Hawaii, I can assure you, what the local taxi driver makes has no bearing whatsoever on what you just paid for that house.

When you pay 500 baht or 1,000 baht for a girl, guess what. You just paid their market price or higher. She would not have gone with you, if she thought she could get more. The good news, is that you are not competing with the guy looking for the 2,000 baht or 3,000 baht girl. And you are for sure not competing with the guy looking for the 5,000 baht girl (I'm talking real value and not what they 1st ask for).

Everyone weighs out the decision, regarding the girl in front of him for X amount of baht, against what else he can get for more or for less. He then makes a reasonable decision based on what he can afford, what he feels is fair, and what he is ultimately looking for.

One other thing. I have never gone to France to eat at McDonalds to help keep the prices down for French Cuisine, or gone to Las Vegas and not gamble just to keep the table minimums down for others, or gone to Japan and not go to Tokyo, just to help the farmers in the farm lands. We all do what we can, but be reasonable. We don't fly across the world on vacation, just to do what we can to keep prices down for some guy we may never meet.

The market takes care of itself. It always has. The prices will cap themselves off.

AT2

[QUOTE=Easy2007]Interesting comment, we seem flooded by posts of how "cheap" ST and LT is in Pattaya, and how they are all stunners. So you have to ask the question why these girls have not progressed and moved up to Bangkok, where they can earn lots more money?

Does the sea and sand effect mens eyesight? Are the stunners not really stunners? What is it that keeps them earning less in Pattaya than they could in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]

I have a business in the UK. I could earn far more money if I relocated my business to London. But I fucking hate the place, and prefer to base myself up in the north of the country.

Similarly, a lot of regional Thais don't like Bangkok for all sorts of reasons, not least of which is the oppressive, humid climate. Even prostitutes make lifestyle choices, believe it or not :).

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Security? Where the fuck do you think you're going to be...Iraq?[/QUOTE]

Hmmmmmm! Maybe this image of BKK as Iraq might be a good thing. Just a thought.

AT2

[QUOTE=Easy2007]Interesting comment, we seem flooded by posts of how "cheap" ST and LT is in Pattaya, and how they are all stunners. So you have to ask the question why these girls have not progressed and moved up to Bangkok, where they can earn lots more money?

Does the sea and sand effect mens eyesight? Are the stunners not really stunners? What is it that keeps them earning less in Pattaya than they could in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]
Well there is another answer.
There are many medium good lookers in Bangkok who cannot get enough customers per day and the cost of living is a lot higher in Bangkok. Too many of the mongers have gone to Pattaya.

So maybe these girls can make enough in Pattaya by doing multiple short times per day, pay their rent, and still have some left over (where its just more of a strruggle in the Bangkok Rat Race).

Maybe they just like the wayward style in Pattaya (where anthing goes).
They don't have to behave prim and proper.

I still think the really stunning girls will make more money in Bangkok but I could be wrong. Might depend on whether they have a sophisticated or low class image.

I wonder what percentage of the super stunners are working in the Japanese clubs at Thaniya Plaza and the like.
They seem to have a lot of venues in Thaniya and must be thousands of girls working there.
I think I will go do a survey of Thaniya Plaza on my next visit and find out how unwelcome Farangs are, how hot the girls are there, and whoops, nearly forgot, how hot are the prices there too?

Maybe I need to dye hair black and put on some eye make-up to try to look a bit Japanese. I might try this at a soapy too to try to avoid the Farang Surcharge. Maybe wear the big dark glasses. No I guess nothing will make me really look Japanese. :(

1St day back on this. My 4th trip to Bangkok.

Staying at Citadines on soi16. All mod cons room and great location for a bargain $59. Plus the best and cheapest thai food 50 yards away in foodland. Try it!

Was planning to go for S3 at Akane around 2pm. But it was closed all week for holiday. How on earth can a massage business totally close for a week? Surely they can rotate vacations or perhaps they have all gone en masse to vacation somewhere. I am sure one of our fellow board members will know.

So, decided Sazanka was my next best option in the area. The sazanka massage course has been reported many times and at over 2 hours really leaves you feeling refreshed. It is not a sexy experience like Akane but does include a long and skilful HJ. Many on here have posted that sazanka is not their cup of tea, and when I think about the course I have the same thoughts. But. Every time I go it ends up feeling really good. Definitely worth the experience. Then you can decide for yourself!

Was ready to roam too early at night (8. 30pm). Couldn't wait so first passed by Soi Cowboy. It was dead. Very few girls even trying to lure me into the bars, which is unusual. Went to Biergarden and Thermae. Bier. Busy, average age 40 and quality very poor. Left after 1 beer. Therm. Only 1/3 full even at 10pm. Average age 25 and lots and lots of cuties. I have had the 'japanese' problem at thermae before but this time it was not evident. Sure, most customers were japanese but several of the 'japanese girls' gave me a look and within a few minutes one really attractive 22 year old was sitting on my knee. We settled on price (farang rates, not japanese) and went home. Friendly but bit of a starfish experience.

Everyone's entitled to different opinions about these places but this is my honest opinion of Bangkok today.

PS perhaps this should also be posted in Bangkok Massage or Hotel sections?

[QUOTE=Hk Dog]Why do guys insist that the cost of sex should be a fix set price? It should be flexible where the prettier girl gets more money. It doesn't 'ruin' the market since the prettier girl can always find the demand and the 'uglier' girl demanding 'pretty' girl prices will get no business.[/QUOTE]My scene is SWs around NEP and Sukh. What I've observed over the past 8 months, in general, is that 1000 Baht is a standard price for one hour, whether the lady is average or a stunner. But, like I've said before, the service from the stunner is usually not as good as from the rest. So, with that understanding, it makes sense that they all cost the same.

BTW at this amount I will usually choose service over looks. But if you can get both for 1000 Baht, which is possible in my experience, then consider yourself lucky.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Security? Where the fuck do you think you're going to be...Iraq?[/QUOTE]If he's staying on soi 3, say the Grace Hotel, what's the difference?

There, at least, he can feel relatively safe from the bombs.

And the lunchroom at your college.

zeal (can't resist) - you just ASK HER IF SHE HAS A FRIEND SHE WOULD LIKE TO BRING ALONG ("me puan gor bai dooay roo blao")??

(translates to - have friend also go too or not?

but the tones might trip you up)

Seems just Sooooo simple, DOESN'T IT??

(RTFF - it's been discussed before)

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Tulip,

The biggest flaw in your view, is that we are NOT competing with the Thai taxi driver making 6,000 baht a month. No, each hobbyist is competing with the next guy, who came from the U.S., Europe, Asia, etc. who is making somewhere between US$50K to US$200K, and some much much more. When you buy beach front property in Hawaii, I can assure you, what the local taxi driver makes has no bearing whatsoever on what you just paid for that house.

When you pay 500 baht or 1,000 baht for a girl, guess what. You just paid their market price or higher. She would not have gone with you, if she thought she could get more. The good news, is that you are not competing with the guy looking for the 2,000 baht or 3,000 baht girl. And you are for sure not competing with the guy looking for the 5,000 baht girl (I'm talking real value and not what they 1st ask for).

Everyone weighs out the decision, regarding the girl in front of him for X amount of baht, against what else he can get for more or for less. He then makes a reasonable decision based on what he can afford, what he feels is fair, and what he is ultimately looking for.

One other thing. I have never gone to France to eat at McDonalds to help keep the prices down for French Cuisine, or gone to Las Vegas and not gamble just to keep the table minimums down for others, or gone to Japan and not go to Tokyo, just to help the farmers in the farm lands. We all do what we can, but be reasonable. We don't fly across the world on vacation, just to do what we can to keep prices down for some guy we may never meet.

The market takes care of itself. It always has. The prices will cap themselves off.

AT2[/QUOTE]

AT2. I think you actually made my point. That's where the problem lies. We have to compete with fellow mongers who overpay that 1000B girl in Thailand because they make good money outside of Thailand. I don't see what McDonalds comparison has to do with a price of tea in China, because I'm talking about overpaying for the same thing, not paying more for something more expensive. If enough people pay 1500B to the girls for something they are used to do for 1000B they'll start charging 1500B. Will that establish a new market value? Sure. All I'm saying is we can try to keep prices at reasonable levels for the country we happen to be in. You are correct in that people tend to make decisions based on what they can afford. At the same time, you don't pay $15mil for an oceanfront property in Hawaii if it's worth $10mil, just because you can afford it. As far as the taxi driver goes, I'm talking about overpaying for the same thing and I hope you're not suggesting we should pay more because we make more money. The girl will not go with you if she thinks she can get more from a next guy. Right! The next guy should not overpay, because it will never end until price levels reflect how much money we make in the west. It should be what we can get away with, not what we can afford. It's P4P, women and human nature we are talking about here. And there is nothing wrong with wanting to compete with people who live there when we buy services from people who live there. The argument which can be made here is that there'll always be a lot of fellow tourists from "rich" countries who pay what they feel like and nothing can be done about that. The market takes care of itself when you have knowledgable buyers and sellers. Nobody is suggesting paying 1000B for Miss Thailand. And nobody has to keep prices down for me as I can afford to spend whatever I feel like when I'm in LOS. They have to keep prices reflective of common sense instead of turning Thai scene into LA skid row, not only for me but for everybody. As soon as the girls begin to feel like Donald Trump you can kiss good service goodbye. A simple truth: cheap sex is good not only because it's cheap but because it is often better for other reasons which make it cheap or result from it being cheap. This is my opinion. I wish some of the old timers could drop their 2 cents as to when girls' attitude was better - years ago when it was dirt cheap, or now. This never ending topic probably bores most of the people in here to death. I will go on to something else.

Thanks all for the responses. A little local knowledge never hurts. A tour guide of sorts can help you get around. Security. Maybe not the best way of saying that. More like a Driver. Been to the Caribbean many times. Always have a Driver and general local 'dude' sorta getting me what I need. First time in Thailand. Maybe not needed? If so hoping we know a local 'good time' Charlie.

Thxs

Zardoz

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I do not agree with this Theory. While I understand that there are market prices (I pay them 90% of the time) you should not forget that you are dealing with human beings and not merchandises.

I have been quoted 1500 ST @ the BG7, but instead of laughing histerically and turning away, I smiled and asked her if she knew that most girls charged 500 ST? She did so I asked her what was so special about her that she would need 1500 and her reply was satisfying enough: She offered 2 hours and 2 pops included, with Everything I wanted. She was Pretty so I paid up and trust me, I didn't regret it.

A good thing to do at the BG7 is to offer the girl a tip if the session is excellent, agree to 500ST + another 500 if she outdones herself, that usually works pretty well (for me anyhow).[/QUOTE]

Right. You only agreed to 1500B after learning it's for 2 hrs and 2 shots.

[QUOTE=Imready777]How on earth can a massage business totally close for a week? Surely they can rotate vacations or perhaps they have all gone en masse to vacation somewhere. I am sure one of our fellow board members will know.[/QUOTE]The Japanese Owner always takes all the girls on a FULL EXPENSES PAID Holiday at this time of the year, usually to a beach location. I am guessing Pattaya or Koh Samet, maybe Rayong?

Very few Owners do that and I think it is one of the reasons why they have a high Staff Retention.

Good for them, these ladies deserve a break once in a while.

[QUOTE=Zardoz211]Thanks all for the responses. A little local knowledge never hurts. A tour guide of sorts can help you get around. Security. Maybe not the best way of saying that. More like a Driver. Been to the Caribbean many times. Always have a Driver and general local 'dude' sorta getting me what I need. First time in Thailand. Maybe not needed? If so hoping we know a local 'good time' Charlie.

Thxs

Zardoz[/QUOTE]

Is Globotto still around? If he is, he sounds like the man for the job.

Guys

Need a little help. I will be in Southeast Asia for the next few months on business in some remote areas and was looking for a longterm girl. Do you know where or any that can travel outside their country and would like to? Any help would be appreciated.

Beken

Hi guys,

Maybe some of you could tell me if the girls at the Beergarden, Soi 7 are normally accepting anal?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Beken]Guys

Need a little help. I will be in Southeast Asia for the next few months on business in some remote areas and was looking for a longterm girl. Do you know where or any that can travel outside their country and would like to? Any help would be appreciated.

Beken[/QUOTE]

Long term girl can be a big mistake. If she knows you're stuck with her in another country she might act accordingly. One obvious option, which is escort services, is the dumbest since you will be ripped-off. They charge outrageous fees. Escort places typically charge 6 times of what you pay on the street, sometimes sending you the same girl you can find on the street that can be contacted on her cell. But in all fairness, high end places have really beautiful women (google and see) but if you are trying to have a girlfriend experience - I suppose it's possible but good luck. If you are on the ground in Bangkok it is easy enough to find a decent looking girl (I don't know what you look like) to want to travel with you. But they need a passport and maybe even visas to some countries, although it should be fairly easy for them to travel throughout S.E. Asia. I would recommend getting a girl in each destination. You get variety, flavor of each location, and less headache. Or else, you need to spend time and money to get to know the girl who fits the bill and will travel with you. For good pick-up locations read the forum.

Can you take a girl to your room in the Legacy Suites Bangkok?

I am staying in Babgkok in July. Its a while since I visited and I normally stay in the Asia Hotel.

However, I thought I would try Legacy Suites Bangkok. Can you take a girl back to your room?

[QUOTE=Tulip777] One obvious option, which is escort services, is the dumbest since you will be ripped-off. They charge outrageous fees. Escort places typically charge 6 times of what you pay on the street, sometimes sending you the same girl you can find on the street that can be contacted on her cell. [/QUOTE]

I'm not advocating or recommending anyone use escort services but to categorize them as 'rip-off' is going overboard. If they are a rip-off, how can they stay in business?

There are certainly times and situations when you need to use an escort service. For instance, if I'm staying at a 5 star hotel and with business associates, can't 'sneak' off for some pussy, I might have to resort to an escort service. Or I'm staying in some location that is 'far' away from pussy, don't have spare time, what better than pay for room service. Just my personal opinion.

But room service doesn't cost 6 times more than what you pay on the street.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]

I have been quoted 1500 ST @ the BG7, but instead of laughing histerically and turning away, I smiled and asked her if she knew that most girls charged 500 ST?

A good thing to do at the BG7 is to offer the girl a tip if the session is excellent, agree to 500ST + another 500 if she outdones herself, that usually works pretty well (for me anyhow).[/QUOTE]

I am surprised to hear that most girls charge 500 for ST at the BG7. We know you are a young handsome man and all that, maybe that is why... :D I was under the impression that the going rate was 1000 ST there? To be honest I dont take from there very often (because a current gik has spies there hehe), but whenever I do I am paying a grand sometimes a couple hundred extra if I enjoy myself.

Although having said that, similar to you, I like to take them for 2-3 hours and insist on 2 pops, which is also why I agree to that price.

[QUOTE=Tulip777]AT2. I think you actually made my point. That's where the problem lies. We have to compete with fellow mongers who overpay that 1000B girl in Thailand because they make good money outside of Thailand. I don't see what McDonalds comparison has to do with a price of tea in China, because I'm talking about overpaying for the same thing, not paying more for something more expensive. If enough people pay 1500B to the girls for something they are used to do for 1000B they'll start charging 1500B. [/QUOTE]

The other point that a lot of people fail to acknowledge is that P4P back home is WAY OVERpriced. For some reason over time, the percieved value of pussy has been inflated to a ridiculous level, hence the kid in a candy store reaction most guys have when they get over here. It needs to be realised that pussy here is a realistic price compared to in the US for example. But that does not necessarily make it CHEAP per se, just incredibly expensive and for the most part unaffordable elsewhere. It is a lot cheaper elswhere, Cambodia for example - although I have never seen that first hand. When I hear about guys in the US paying $20 for a lapdance and they cant even touch the girl, or paying $500 for a blow job in Las Vegas or something like that, it makes me CRINGE.

As for the ongoing debate about ruining the market, guys who continually overpay do ruin the market despite their arguments otherwise and their continued justifications to the contrary. It is no different to people who go camping somewhere and litter and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in the river. They dont care because it doesnt affect them directly. But when the lure of this country proves too much and they up and leave their home countries to retire here they too will realise the simple truth that living here is not the same as holidaying here and they too will join the chorus of old hands whining about people who overpay.

[QUOTE]As soon as the girls begin to feel like Donald Trump you can kiss good service goodbye. A simple truth: cheap sex is good not only because it's cheap but because it is often better for other reasons which make it cheap or result from it being cheap[/QUOTE]

I agree with this completely.

And one more thing, if I see another idiot in Long Gun slipping a 1000THB note into a dancers bikini...

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]

No offense, but just go for it.

Don't be shy, Don't hesitate. It's BKK.

AT2[/QUOTE]

You are right of course AT2, but due to my personal circumstances I am rarely afforded the oppurtunity to play at those hours. I see her a lot and sometimes talk to her but the timing has never been right if you know what I mean. I have always wondered about her because she seemed so young and inexperienced when I first met her, I guess I really should have taken her back then.

As for her Japanese loving friend, she just doesnt want to know. She ignores everyone unless they are Japanese of course. To be honest I actually find her attitude a little intimidating. Being competely pussy whipped doesnt help matters :D If anyone has any experience with this girl, even a tale about being shot down in flames please let me know. Here is a very bad cell phone picture of her.

[QUOTE=L A Guy]I am surprised to hear that most girls charge 500 for ST at the BG7. We know you are a young handsome man and all that, maybe that is why... :D I was under the impression that the going rate was 1000 ST there? [/QUOTE]Well, the rate they will quote you will always be 1000 for ST, you are correct. However, in order to ensure I get a good bang for my buck, I always offer 500+500 if great performance.

The girl will know she will get the rate she wants and you know you will get the service level you want. Win-win.

As to being Handsome, I am not LOL (I wish), it is pointless anyways since the ladies are working and the only thing that matters is the Baht.

Was at BG7 yesterday and did a survey, this survey was frightening and I will post it here soon.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]I'm not advocating or recommending anyone use escort services but to categorize them as 'rip-off' is going overboard. If they are a rip-off, how can they stay in business?

There are certainly times and situations when you need to use an escort service. For instance, if I'm staying at a 5 star hotel and with business associates, can't 'sneak' off for some pussy, I might have to resort to an escort service. Or I'm staying in some location that is 'far' away from pussy, don't have spare time, what better than pay for room service. Just my personal opinion.

But room service doesn't cost 6 times more than what you pay on the street.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. That's how they stay in business. People who have no other options, like you mentioned, or people who don't know any better. I'm talking about people with options, not the guys in the airport hotel with a flight to catch. Many high end escort services in BKK do charge 6000B+ for 2 hours. And with most of them, if not all of them, it's money upfront. Welcome to Los Angeles, NY or London. You can have 1 pop 10 min. drive from where I live for 3700B in local money at a massage parlor. You can do a gorgeous upscale lady, once she knows you, for 6000B (including BBBJ) for 1.5hr in her condo (9000B for the first visit), in a city where an average house costs $1mil+US. At the same time most of the women who advertise their services here asking $400-$500+ are thiefs and rip-off artists. See the connection? I currently reside in one of the most expensive places on the planet, and so when they charge 6000B in Thailand it puts things in perspective for me. Just because some guy from Tokyo thinks with his sushi doesn't mean I have to. Escort services in Thailand charge even more than they do in Europe, relative to the cost of living... and that says a lot.

I think the main thing here is "SOME".

Yes, "SOME" of them try to rip people off with high prices, but they only do it as they can get away with it.

For example, Bangkok Gold uses a flashy website to try and draw attention and take away from the fact your paying an very high price for sex. Sleek marketing is always a sure fire sign of trying to "maximise" the profit. For most escort agencies trying to get 6000 Baht, you'll find the girl will likely only get 2000B. Your putting 4000B straight into the companies profits.

An important thing to do, if anyone is forced to use Escort agencies, is to "not do it".

If your purely looking for a couple of hours of fun and pleasure, then note that NEARLY ALL THE OIL MASSAGE PLACES WILL DO OUTCALL!

EG, for Angels Soi 26, go on their website, get their phone number, you can view the girls on the web site, and outcall is 1000B for 2 hours. Tip for the girl is normal at 1500B for everything, and so, for 2500B you have had 2 hours with an Angel girl, and so you can be sure you are getting a damn good BBBJ and some decent sex.

So, in knowledge that most massage joints will do outcall, why are people paying 6000B for supposed "escort" when the massage joint is offering the same for less than half price?

If anyone is forced into having to use "room service", simply log into the famous oil massage joints web sites, check out the girls you like, make a call, book an outcall, and you get everything for 2500B.

Thats simple really.

[QUOTE=Tulip777]Exactly. That's how they stay in business. People who have no other options, like you mentioned, or people who don't know any better. I'm talking about people with options, not the guys in the airport hotel with a flight to catch. Many high end escort services in BKK do charge 6000B+ for 2 hours. And with most of them, if not all of them, it's money upfront. Welcome to Los Angeles, NY or London. You can have 1 pop 10 min. drive from where I live for 3700B in local money at a massage parlor. You can do a gorgeous upscale lady, once she knows you, for 6000B (including BBBJ) for 1.5hr in her condo (9000B for the first visit), in a city where an average house costs $1mil+US. At the same time most of the women who advertise their services here asking $400-$500+ are thiefs and rip-off artists. See the connection? I currently reside in one of the most expensive places on the planet, and so when they charge 6000B in Thailand it puts things in perspective for me. Just because some guy from Tokyo thinks with his sushi doesn't mean I have to. Escort services in Thailand charge even more than they do in Europe, relative to the cost of living... and that says a lot.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=L A Guy]And one more thing, if I see another idiot in Long Gun slipping a 1000THB note into a dancers bikini...[/QUOTE]

Yes LA. And while you're at it do something about those ping pong ball throwing idiots in Pattaya bars.

[QUOTE=Tulip777]Escort services in Thailand charge even more than they do in Europe, relative to the cost of living... and that says a lot.[/QUOTE]

What does that say?

That they believe people are ready to pay more for Privacy? they are correct. If they have kept this pricing Strategy it's probably because it works.

I have used Escort Services at times where I really could not afford to be seen anywhere near P4P Venues, and both times I paid 4000 thb for ST, I was not overly happy with the higher price but they honored their part of the deal: Great Service + Privacy.

What a bunch of whiners! The best idea would be to take this price crap to the fight club, because that's where it's going to end up. Boring topic, useless waste of energy, and without specific examples and pictures ... completely idiotic. I have seen guys call a girl a stunner and upon inspection, she's a 4 or 5 to me. I have seen guys spend a 1,000 baht on some girl and say they had a bargain and I see a girl I would not touch with a 10 foot pole. I'm sure some girls I think are attractive, might not do anything for someone else. Tastes differ.

Show a picture of someone, tell us what you think she is worth and what you would pay. Maybe then, at least we have something specific to debate. Until then, how about getting back to useful information. Just my 2 cents. I don't think very many guys really seriously overpay. I'm not going to lose sleep if someone pays 1,500 baht for a 1,000 baht girl.

Of the pics below, I would rate Bargirl1 a 500 baht girl and she would not be on my "to do" list. No offense to her, since she might say the same thing about me, if the roles were reversed! LOL! The 2nd and 3rd pics, I would be willing to pay 2K baht without any problem, if they show the right attitude. The models, 3K baht to 5K baht would not be a problem for me. I know those models are not on the market. You can find comparables in BKK.

AT2

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]What a bunch of whiners! The best idea would be to take this price crap to the fight club, because that's where it's going to end up. Boring topic, useless waste of energy, and without specific examples and pictures ... completely idiotic. I have seen guys call a girl a stunner and upon inspection, she's a 4 or 5 to me. I have seen guys spend a 1,000 baht on some girl and say they had a bargain and I see a girl I would not touch with a 10 foot pole. I'm sure some girls I think are attractive, might not do anything for someone else. Tastes differ.

Show a picture of someone, tell us what you think she is worth and what you would pay. Maybe then, at least we have something specific to debate. Until then, how about getting back to useful information. Just my 2 cents. I don't think very many guys really seriously overpay. I'm not going to lose sleep if someone pays 1,500 baht for a 1,000 baht girl.

Of the pics below, I would rate Bargirl1 a 500 baht girl and she would not be on my "to do" list. No offense to her, since she might say the same thing about me, if the roles were reversed! LOL! The 2nd and 3rd pics, I would be willing to pay 2K baht without any problem, if they show the right attitude. The models, 3K baht to 5K baht would not be a problem for me. I know those models are not on the market. You can find comparables in BKK.

AT2[/QUOTE]If it is only about looks, you could achieve a long way of the difference by a good makeup artist. I met several Thai Supermodels many years ago at an event and I must say, without the special makeup they don't look any special to me. Of course the way they move makes another part of the difference.

Never been with her but have seen her around NEP for the past 3 years or so. She used to just hang out on the sidewalk and sometimes in the parking lot but last time I was in Rainbow 4 in December she was in there dancing. A number of the parking lot girls have opted for the go-go scene due to the police pressure. She was never very aggressive so it may not be that she only goes with Japanese fellows but just that she is too shy too approach you. She looked better in her bikini than I was expecting - not bad at all. Go for it and let me know how she is!


[QUOTE=L A Guy]
As for her Japanese loving friend, she just doesnt want to know. She ignores everyone unless they are Japanese of course. To be honest I actually find her attitude a little intimidating. Being competely pussy whipped doesnt help matters :D If anyone has any experience with this girl, even a tale about being shot down in flames please let me know. Here is a very bad cell phone picture of her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Easy2007]I think the main thing here is "SOME".

Yes, "SOME" of them try to rip people off with high prices, but they only do it as they can get away with it.

For example, Bangkok Gold uses a flashy website to try and draw attention and take away from the fact your paying an very high price for sex. Sleek marketing is always a sure fire sign of trying to "maximise" the profit. For most escort agencies trying to get 6000 Baht, you'll find the girl will likely only get 2000B. Your putting 4000B straight into the companies profits.

[/QUOTE]

Bangkok gold is not a good example because it is fake. The pics you see are all of girls who work in London. Be aware I say.

As for ripping someone off, I would disagree. Their price is their price. Supply and demand. So if they get 6000 baht then that is the going price. You either pay or move on. That is not being ripped off. Being ripped off is going to one of those upstairs places in Papong and being charged for things you didn't buy or know about.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]
Of the pics below, I would rate Bargirl1 a 500 baht girl and she would not be on my "to do" list. No offense to her, since she might say the same thing about me, if the roles were reversed! LOL! The 2nd and 3rd pics, I would be willing to pay 2K baht without any problem, if they show the right attitude. The models, 3K baht to 5K baht would not be a problem for me. I know those models are not on the market. You can find comparables in BKK.

AT2[/QUOTE]

OK, for your edification, the Pattaya beach road freelancer that I was RAVING about, and for whom I paid 500 on 3 separate ST occasions, and then 1000 for a 4 hour session, on my last night, bears a striking resemblance to the girl in your 3rd photo with the red star shaped pasties, except that my friend has darker skin - being an Issan farm girl. But the body and facial features and hair were VERY similar and of comparable quality. And she happened to have a truly outstanding attitude.

And the SECOND best Pattay beach road freelancer - also a 500 baht ST girl, whom I went with 3 times, and who I thought was NEARLY as good as the first one, resembles the model in your last photo, but with another 10 pounds of baby fat on her, and maybe just slightly less full lips and overall, softer facial features. They were both an order of magnitude hotter than the ladies in your first and second photos.

Not bad at all for 500 each, over and over again. They were the highlights of my trip, and each was hotter than any of the 1500 baht ST ladies I went with in Bangkok, several of whom were no slouches either.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]What a bunch of whiners! The best idea would be to take this price crap to the fight club, because that's where it's going to end up. Boring topic, useless waste of energy, and without specific examples and pictures ... completely idiotic. I have seen guys call a girl a stunner and upon inspection, she's a 4 or 5 to me. I have seen guys spend a 1,000 baht on some girl and say they had a bargain and I see a girl I would not touch with a 10 foot pole. I'm sure some girls I think are attractive, might not do anything for someone else. Tastes differ.

Show a picture of someone, tell us what you think she is worth and what you would pay. Maybe then, at least we have something specific to debate. Until then, how about getting back to useful information. Just my 2 cents. I don't think very many guys really seriously overpay. I'm not going to lose sleep if someone pays 1,500 baht for a 1,000 baht girl.

Of the pics below, I would rate Bargirl1 a 500 baht girl and she would not be on my "to do" list. No offense to her, since she might say the same thing about me, if the roles were reversed! LOL! The 2nd and 3rd pics, I would be willing to pay 2K baht without any problem, if they show the right attitude. The models, 3K baht to 5K baht would not be a problem for me. I know those models are not on the market. You can find comparables in BKK.

AT2[/QUOTE]
Nice Pics mate. Model1 could just about name her price with me if has real tits. 5K for 2 Hours no problem as that would still be a fanatstic bargain in my home country or even in Germany and its really hard to find girls like this standard. If she was real good, I would then want to extend to LT naturally and pay more.

After her, Model3 and Bangkokgirl2 in black bikini interest me. Would take them at a little above normal prices (since they are superior). And the rest wouldn't attract a 2nd glance, most likely. Model4 looks like a younger prettier version of Michelle Yeoh but not pretty enough to my taste.

Its no use the others Guys saying their Pattaya chic was similar unless they have the Pic evidence.

If I want a girl with a stunning body, its not that difficult. 2600 Baht for Yok at Emmanuelle MP will do it for example.
I believe its the stunning face to go with the stunning body that makes me prepared to pay a lot higher, as this is rare.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker] Its no use the others Guys saying their Pattaya chic was similar unless they have the Pic evidence.[/QUOTE]

No use for YOU perhaps, but plenty of use for me. I don't have pictures, because I don't take them. But what I DO have, is the memory of having fucked that lovely, several times. If you can't figure out what Bangkokgirl2 looks like with just slightly darker skin, I can't help you. But frankly, I don't care. Just suffice it to know I fucked Bangkokgirl2's darker twin sister for 500 baht. Repeatedly. And unlike you, I've still got her number. Now all I need is a plane ticket to Thailand in February.

Hello to the forum,

I'll have my first trip to BKK end of march for a 9 day stay at Shangri-La hotel.
I would rather have a GFE with one girl for the whole stay and avoid the walk of shame at the hotel entrance.

Here my question:

Should I ask an escort service or should I try and find a girl myself in a bar or something like that?

Is finding a girl for 24h service and 9 days easy?

thanks in advance for your knoledge and answers.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]

AT2[/QUOTE]

Might as well join the bandwagon. We all have different tastes fortunately.

Wouldn't give anything for Bangkok 2 but pics 3 and 6 WOW

First of all, as a newbie, I say hello to all people on this very interesting forum.

I'll have my first ever trip to BKK end of march for about 10 days stay. My hotel will be the Shangri-La because I want a minimum of comfort (joking). As it's a 5star hotel I don't want the walk of shame, so I thought I would want one lady with GFE 24h service for my whole stay.
So here are my questions:

1). Is it better asking an escort service (knowing a lot of net photographs aer fake and the price is really big) or is it easyer and cheaper to find a good looking girl directly in BKK?

2). Are there high quality bars (and girls) somebody could recommend?

3). What is the "reasonable" price I should pay for the 9 days in order not to overpay and obviously kill the market?

Thanks in advance for your answers.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]OK, for your edification, the Pattaya beach road freelancer that I was RAVING about, and for whom I paid 500 on 3 separate ST occasions, and then 1000 for a 4 hour session, on my last night, bears a striking resemblance to the girl in your 3rd photo with the red star shaped pasties, except that my friend has darker skin - being an Issan farm girl. But the body and facial features and hair were VERY similar and of comparable quality. And she happened to have a truly outstanding attitude.

And the SECOND best Pattay beach road freelancer - also a 500 baht ST girl, whom I went with 3 times, and who I thought was NEARLY as good as the first one, resembles the model in your last photo, but with another 10 pounds of baby fat on her, and maybe just slightly less full lips and overall, softer facial features. They were both an order of magnitude hotter than the ladies in your first and second photos.

Not bad at all for 500 each, over and over again. They were the highlights of my trip, and each was hotter than any of the 1500 baht ST ladies I went with in Bangkok, several of whom were no slouches either.[/QUOTE]

Member #2041,

Whoa, Whoa .. I was not talking about you. I'm talking about other hobbyists in BKK. Sitting in the bars in the afternoon and they are going on and on about what a great bargain they got, and when the girl arrived, I had to hold back the laughter.

I have never seen the girls you were with, so it would be impossible for me to comment on them. In fact, that's my point. How can you discuss over paying or under paying without an actual frame of reference. I'm sorry, if you thought it was about you.

I will say, that I'm not all about looks. That's a starting point, but some girls just have a great personality and can be great to be with. That can alter the equation somewhat, but ultimately, the girls first selling point is her attractiveness.

Peace,
AT2

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Member #2041, ....I have never seen the girls you were with, so it would be impossible for me to comment on them. In fact, that's my point. How can you discuss over paying or under paying without an actual frame of reference.

I'm sorry, if you thought it was about you.

Peace,
AT2[/QUOTE]
I didn't think it was about me. And I have a frame of reference, established over eight 2-3 week trips to LOS in the past 3 years. That was MY point. Your photos WERE representative of the range of quality available - although you avoided the really fuglies at the low end and started with a quite plain, but not particularly ugly girl. Your #2 was not a substantial step up, though, and your 3d photo was a BIG step up, not much below the 3 models. I'd pretty much never go with someone as plain as the ones in your first two photos, unless I was really pressed for time, the pickings were REALLY slim, and the price was REALLY low. That being said, it's really not that difficult to find ladies of the quality of your 3rd photo, and sometimes, when you're really lucky, they can be found quite cheaply and also have great attitudes. That was my point - I did, and when I did, I made sure to see her 4 separate times - It would have been more, but I only found her on the last week of my trip.

Truth is, it's also not that difficult to find girls of the quality of the 3 models, although, I have learned that when they are that hot, often their attitude goes south because they know just how hot they are. The trick is finding the ones that are nearly that hot, but are not full of themselves. During my last trip, I was pleasantly surprised at how successful I was in doing so. And I've never paid more than 1500 baht for ST in my life in Thailand. I mostly go with freelancers.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]I didn't think it was about me. And I have a frame of reference, established over eight 2-3 week trips to LOS in the past 3 years. That was MY point. Your photos WERE representative of the range of quality available - although you avoided the really fuglies at the low end and started with a quite plain, but not particularly ugly girl. Your #2 was not a substantial step up, though, and your 3d photo was a BIG step up, not much below the 3 models. I'd pretty much never go with someone as plain as the ones in your first two photos, unless I was really pressed for time, the pickings were REALLY slim, and the price was REALLY low. That being said, it's really not that difficult to find ladies of the quality of your 3rd photo, and sometimes, when you're really lucky, they can be found quite cheaply and also have great attitudes. That was my point - I did, and when I did, I made sure to see her 4 separate times - It would have been more, but I only found her on the last week of my trip.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I avoided the really low end girls. I'm not about throwing someone's picture out and bashing them. Not sure what purpose that would serve. I reluctantly posted pic #1, just as a starting point. The 2nd pic is one of those girls, who can be had as low as 1,000 baht and who might get 2,000 baht. The 3rd pic will have her fans, but I suspect is not for everyone. She could command 3,000 baht, and that would not surprise me, but again with the right guy 2,000 baht might work.

Let's face it, while it is primarily about the baht, our own looks and what we bring to the table do affect the equation too. I can't bash a guy, if he has to pay 3,000 baht and I could get away with 2,000 baht. I'm sure there are guys who can get better deals than I would get. With so many variables, price seems to be the last thing we should be all hung up about.

AT2

[QUOTE=Amer Tun]
I'll have my first trip to BKK end of march for a 9 day stay at Shangri-La hotel.
I would rather have a GFE with one girl for the whole stay and avoid the walk of shame at the hotel entrance.
[/QUOTE]

The longer you stick with one girl the more time there will be for her to work the usual bunch of con games and scams on you. Her family needs money, sister is in the hospital, somebody has cancer, blah blah blah. Maybe its just me but nine days with one TG looks like big trouble.

[QUOTE=Amer Tun]I'll have my first trip to BKK end of march for a 9 day stay at Shangri-La hotel. I would rather have a GFE with one girl for the whole stay and avoid the walk of shame at the hotel entrance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003]The longer you stick with one girl the more time there will be for her to work the usual bunch of con games and scams on you. Her family needs money, sister is in the hospital, somebody has cancer, blah blah blah. Maybe its just me but nine days with one TG looks like big trouble.[/QUOTE]

Especially if you have not actually met her yet, and you're just hoping to randomly pull her. The fact is, in all the times of been to Thailand, I have probably gone with 200 or so different women. And there was EXACTLY ONE of them that I could have spent that kind of uninterrupted time with and trusted her, and not gotten tired of being with her. And I tend to LIKE commitment and fidelity when it's with the right girl. During my last trip, I MIGHT have met a second one, but I did not have enough time to really explore whether she could have been that kind of good friend. So that's one, potentially two, out of 200. So those are the kind of odds you are up against. And, just to make it even tougher, there's no way you could POSSIBLY know it from the first one or two short, mostly all about sex, meetings.

So, Amer Tun, Forget about it. It's like deciding you're going to marry someone (if only for 9 days) on the first date. What are the odds that such a relationship will work out? The bottom line is, if you are VERY lucky, you might actually meet someone who won't scam you and won't grow very tiring to be with. But you won't know it until you are ready to leave, best case. It's FAR more likely that you are setting yourself up for a scam, as Etaoin2003 pointed out. What you should understand is that you are in Thailand, you need to sample all of the joys of the wonderful smorgasbord of hot spinner ladies that are available to you. The Shangri La is totally friendly for guests - so you might as well enjoy yourself with the variety on the menu. Only dining on a single dish for the whole 9 days is bound to give you indigestion.

[QUOTE=Amer Tun]Hello to the forum,

I'll have my first trip to BKK end of march for a 9 day stay at Shangri-La hotel.
I would rather have a GFE with one girl for the whole stay and avoid the walk of shame at the hotel entrance.

Here my question:

Should I ask an escort service or should I try and find a girl myself in a bar or something like that?

Is finding a girl for 24h service and 9 days easy?

thanks in advance for your knoledge and answers.[/QUOTE]

Amer,

BKK will be very easy to figure out and NO, do not start with an escort agency. Keep the agency phone number handy, in case everything else is not working out. I'm not sure, if after one day, you will still be thinking about the one girl thing. For starters, there's no guarantee that you will hit it off with the girl the agency sends you. Some of the agency girls also have day jobs and are making money on the side. Some may not be able to do a 9 day thing. Better to handpick your girl, in your situation anyway.

Visit the usual places, Nana Plaza also known as NEP on Sukhumvit Soi 4. Soi Cowboy near Asoke Station on Sukhumvit. Any girl working for a Go-Go or bar, will mean a daily/weekly barfine, which will add to the cost of these girls. Visit the Beer Garden in the afternoons, hit Gullivers or the Bamboo Bar in the evenings. Hit the clubs, go to the Pent, Boss, Hollywood Bangkok Club, Tunnel Club, CM2, Nana Disco, Spice Club. The Nana Car park is also a midnight to 3:00am option.

There are bars up and down Sukhumvit and down each of the Soi’s (Streets/Lanes). Even coffee shops and the Malls are fair game. Pick up phone numbers and enjoy the adventure. Learning where everything is, is part of the fun. In your position, I would hit a Soapy massage in the Rachadapisek area on your first day, for the experience if you have never tried it. Then decide if you want to lock into one girl and start your search.

I personally like the short time (ST) option. I don't speak Thai, so there are very few girls I can keep an ongoing conversation with. After a while, you will want to start up with someone else. Of course there are exceptions. I also like to get massages daily, so the girl gets in the way.

It’s very easy to someone and you could end up with a girl for as low as 1,000 baht a day, or more likely 1,500 to 3,000 baht a day. On a normal day in BKK, I would be surprised if you don't see at least 500 to a 1,000 girls.

AT2

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]
Let's face it, while it is primarily about the baht, our own looks and what we bring to the table do affect the equation too. I can't bash a guy, if he has to pay 3,000 baht and I could get away with 2,000 baht. I'm sure there are guys who can get better deals than I would get. With so many variables, price seems to be the last thing we should be all hung up about.

AT2[/QUOTE]

I have found that OUR looks have exactly NOTHING to do with it - unless you're trying to pull a non-pro. FYI, I'm 48, greying/balding, and 5'8" and weigh 280 pounds, and it has NEVER been an issue in Thailand. The ladies will make jokes about my belly, and I will respond that I am like buddah. And they go with me, no problem. My experience is that these working girls are all about the Baht, and being treated nicely. They have pretty much ALL been treated badly by Thai guys, and they know that Farangs will generally treat them much nicer, as well as spend money on them. And once you prove it, they will want to hang out with you.

[QUOTE=Amer Tun]First of all, as a newbie, I say hello to all people on this very interesting forum.

I'll have my first ever trip to BKK end of march for about 10 days stay. My hotel will be the Shangri-La because I want a minimum of comfort (joking). As it's a 5star hotel I don't want the walk of shame, so I thought I would want one lady with GFE 24h service for my whole stay.
So here are my questions:

1). Is it better asking an escort service (knowing a lot of net photographs aer fake and the price is really big) or is it easyer and cheaper to find a good looking girl directly in BKK?

2). Are there high quality bars (and girls) somebody could recommend?

3). What is the "reasonable" price I should pay for the 9 days in order not to overpay and obviously kill the market?

Thanks in advance for your answers.[/QUOTE]


I might have someone nice for you. What do you look like? How old? Where are you from? PM me. Don't answer these questions in here. I don't have pictures because of a close call when I had to run into the bathroom to erase them after the trip to Angeles. My wife who met me at the airport wanted to see my camera. Oh yes, to the guys in here who think the pictures provide proof of how much the girl charges: do you want her to hold the sign or a price tag in the picture?

[QUOTE=Tulip777]I might have someone nice for you. What do you look like? How old? Where are you from? PM me. Don't answer these questions in here. I don't have pictures because of a close call when I had to run into the bathroom to erase them after the trip to Angeles. My wife who met me at the airport wanted to see my camera. Oh yes, to the guys in here who think the pictures provide proof of how much the girl charges: do you want her to hold the sign or a price tag in the picture?[/QUOTE]Sorry Tulip777, but I can't PM you because I have not paid for membership. So I don't see your PM. But on the other hand I would be interested in any help.

Thanks a lot for caring about me and my first holliday to LOS and BKK.

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Hi Amer Tun,

I am confident that a sophisticated world traveler such as yourself can afford a $20 subscription to support this forum and all the work I do to keep it maintained.

Come on dude, a forum subscription is less than 50 cents a week.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

As this was my first post, I would thank all the forum members answering my questions about BKK. As I come from Luxembourg (Europe) I'm not very used to asia; only been to Singapore and Bali till now and I must say I like asia. I even didn't think about a girl scamming me as I usually believe in the best in people.

So all your answers were a big help for me.

By the way, don't they say anything in hotel Shangri-La if you come every day with another TG? Have I understood this right.

[QUOTE=Amer Tun]First of all, as a newbie, I say hello to all people on this very interesting forum.

I'll have my first ever trip to BKK end of march for about 10 days stay. My hotel will be the Shangri-La because I want a minimum of comfort (joking). As it's a 5star hotel I don't want the walk of shame, so I thought I would want one lady with GFE 24h service for my whole stay.
So here are my questions:

1). Is it better asking an escort service (knowing a lot of net photographs aer fake and the price is really big) or is it easyer and cheaper to find a good looking girl directly in BKK?

2). Are there high quality bars (and girls) somebody could recommend?

3). What is the "reasonable" price I should pay for the 9 days in order not to overpay and obviously kill the market?

Thanks in advance for your answers.[/QUOTE]

A higher end street is Soi 33 that has a lot of hostess bars on it. Higher end does not mean higher service or best service, it is still how people react to each other but almost all girls in thai give a GFE if you treat them right.

I would avoid an escort agency personally as you not meet the girl. You can walk into any bar or club and meet the girl and talk first then decide to take for a night or so.

Don't worry about the walk of shame. But it just sound like you would like Soi 33 over NEP. Can you pull a girl for 9 days, of course, probably every girl would be willing for 9 days especially at shangri la from any place you go but that does not mean you will get a winner or that you will be happy. But do you want the same FL walking around with you in Shangri La for 9 days??? What kind of clothes you thing these girls have in their closets at home?? I've had LT GF's in thai and even where I stay I've had to buy them clothes so they fit in a little better (if staying over night who cares but for long term stays I do care). Also if you find a girl you like from a bar there are lower rates for the BF for longer time, usually over three days in a row.

As suggested before, join up so you can PM folks for direct comments to help you out. You're staying in Shangri La, you want a girl for 9 days, you can pay up 20 bucks to Jackson so you can PM folks to help you out. And yes I think many of us can give you great help in what you want. Join up and PM me if you want.

As I see now I must support the forum and pay the subscription for this exellent forum. As I'm off for the weekend I'll do that on manday on a reasonable and normal computer and not now on a smartphone.

See you all later.

Lots of replies to your newbie query....lucky guy ;)

1. Can't agree more - join up so you can get pm from resident experts.
2. Soi 33 is good place to start but you need to be careful which bars to avoid, etc. A little RTFF will give you details - personally my suggestions would be Monet and Sports Bar at Livingstone's Lodge. At the latter, ask for the owner (and his name is NOT Giotto), introduce yourself as newbie to ISG.

The rest has been said by others already.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]personally my suggestions would be Monet and Sports Bar at Livingstone's Lodge. At the latter, ask for the owner (and his name is NOT Giotto), introduce yourself as newbie to ISG..[/QUOTE]

Monet was DEAD lately and the girls changed for the worse, IMHO. Normally I would agree with you that Monet is one I would check out and did check them out but was disappointed lately. The Office was better then Monet. CK or Powleys' or whatever it's called lately had better talent then Monet did. And yes, I like Livingstones, probably a good choice for the poster. Not saying he couldn't find what he wants at beer garden or bamboo beer hall but most likely he's better to pull for that time from 33. And probably get better set up from Livingstones then other places.

My 1st Bangkok visit. I have just spent six months working in the Philippines.

Thanks to everyone for all the great information reported here. I arrived in Bangkok and had no problems finding anything.

I reserved a room in the Queen’s Imperial Park hotel. Nice hotel, GF (asked doorman) and only 3200B.

Walked down to Soi Cowboy and checked out a few bars. First bar I went in was Cowboy Two. Maybe I was too early, but dead. Beer was 90B and I didn’t see anything worth buying a drink for.

Went over to Toy Bar and met a 20 yr named Oh (photos in Photo Galley). She was very cute and fun to play with. Had two beers, 90B and brought her two LDs, 90B. No pressure here to buy drinks. She asked if I wanted to BF her for 400B, but I really wanted to check out the bars.

Went over to DejaVu and was surrounded by six girls who wanted drinks. I picked one and she sat down and wanted a LD before I had ordered a beer. I asked how much and she told me 160B. Too much for me, so I left there.

Walked down to Country Road and ordered a beer, 100B and the band was playing the Beatles and the girls didn’t look too great. One about 30 came over and sat with me and didn’t ask for a LD. I finished my beer and left there.

Wondered over to After School and I didn’t see anything there, it was dead. So I left and went back to Toy’s. After visiting a few bars, I felt like it was the one for the night. Oh was with a customer, so I sat and talked to the bartender. She was around 23 and had glasses like a school teacher. I really wanted her, but knew that I was already marked by Oh.

Five minutes later Oh came over and we had a drink and then she asked if I wanted to go bar hoping. I took her for 400B and she changed clothes and we went to Long Gun. We arrived 5 minutes before the main show and she knew the mamma, so we got good seats. There were about 50 customers. It was fun watching the show with her and she was very playful with the girls. After the show, we went down to Susie Wong’s and watched a show there.

After the show, we went to a short time hotel, 350B. Nice clean room with good A/C. It was located at the end of Soi Cowboy on the right, second floor. After we showered together, she preformed a BBBJ and IMHO great GFE. Damage was 1500B

1st night was awesome and 20 more to go.

Thanks again for all the information.

Robb

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Monet was DEAD lately and the girls changed for the worse, IMHO. Normally I would agree with you that Monet is one I would check out and did check them out but was disappointed lately. The Office was better then Monet. CK or Powleys' or whatever it's called lately had better talent then Monet did. And yes, I like Livingstones, probably a good choice for the poster. Not saying he couldn't find what he wants at beer garden or bamboo beer hall but most likely he's better to pull for that time from 33. And probably get better set up from Livingstones then other places.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Tansak - you've got more updated info than I re Monet. Hopefully they're still pretty good about the bar bill and not rip you off like other places on 33.

I didn't mention Office as it can get noisy at times but talent was not bad the last few times I dropped in. And of course the Sports Bar is our favorite :)

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Thanks Tansak - you've got more updated info than I re Monet. Hopefully they're still pretty good about the bar bill and not rip you off like other places on 33.[/QUOTE]

No, they are still good at the bar bill, and I agree others on the street you can not trust to total up correclty or apply the right price. The office I've never had a problem at or the sports bar as well.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]No, they are still good at the bar bill, and I agree others on the street you can not trust to total up correclty or apply the right price. The office I've never had a problem at or the sports bar as well.[/QUOTE]OK, taking the risk to end up in a hospital soon here an update on the actual sitatution in Soi 33:

The bills are generally ok in Monet, Office Bar, Mojo's, Powelly's Sports Bar, Lookie-Lookie, Livingstone's Sports Lounge

You must be more careful in Renoir and Dali. The bars are ok in general, but some groups of girls order their drinks without asking the customer, and afterwards he finds this drinks on his bill.

Be very careful in Christie's and Napoleon, we hear many complaints about this places. Whether and how this is organized ... no comment.

The other bars - I don't know and heard nothing negative.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]The other bars - I don't know and heard nothing negative. [/QUOTE]

How come you didn't update about Demonia???

Green Parrot I never had a problem with my bills or such either.

Can you recommend 2-3 good bars and ST prices? Is 1000 Baht the sweet spot for a decent girl? Does that include the bar fine?

I'm coming to Bangkok for a few days next month, so looking to do it right and not pay too much and ruin it for others. I don't want to contribute to price inflation.

Thanks for any advice for a newbie!

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]How come you didn't update about Demonia???

Green Parrot I never had a problem with my bills or such either.[/QUOTE]Tansak KTV,

Correct, I have never been in Green Parrot, but I will add it to the list if you say its ok.

Demonia :) , whoever goes there knows what to expect, and that he has to pay for that.


Giotto

This is the continuation of Tbe Dream Experience Continues from the Pattaya section. As always, the pages are meant to be read in , i.e., A1, B2, C3, etc.

Evil

As always, the pages should be read in order, i.e., K11, L12, M13, etc.

Evil

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]As always, the pages should be read in order, i.e., K11, L12, M13, etc.

Evil[/QUOTE]

Print layouts! How quaint ... but a great report.

May I ask why you changed hotels? Usually it takes something really offensive to get me to relocate my sorry ass.

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]As always, the pages should be read in order, i.e., K11, L12, M13, etc.

Evil[/QUOTE]


Nice report of the lodge and pictures. And here I thought you were only a Eden guy. ;)

[QUOTE=Member #2041]I have found that OUR looks have exactly NOTHING to do with it - unless you're trying to pull a non-pro. FYI, I'm 48, greying/balding, and 5'8" and weigh 280 pounds, and it has NEVER been an issue in Thailand. The ladies will make jokes about my belly, and I will respond that I am like buddah. And they go with me, no problem. My experience is that these working girls are all about the Baht, and being treated nicely. They have pretty much ALL been treated badly by Thai guys, and they know that Farangs will generally treat them much nicer, as well as spend money on them. And once you prove it, they will want to hang out with you.[/QUOTE]

Member,

That's why we have a board like this. There are a million to a billion different life experiences. In your's, it has not mattered. In my experiences, it has, through observation of others. I have seen girls turn down others or stay firm on prices with some and drop their prices for others. This also includes getting freebies from P4P girls, which some are more apt to get. I'm not saying it happens all the time, but it happens enough.

I've also heard about the stereotyping of the "nice" farang and the shitty Thai guys. Sorry, but that's mostly a myth too, in my observations. You can look the world over and find that shitty guy's are in good supply in all races/cultures. That's why they have restraining orders. But there are also gentlemen too, and I have met many of all races/cultures. I have Thai friends and contacts, both here in Hawaii and in Thailand, and they have perfectly great families and home lives.

Peace,
AT2

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003]May I ask why you changed hotels? Usually it takes something really offensive to get me to relocate my sorry ass.[/QUOTE]

That was job-related. I get paid to stay in different hotels and write reports about them. That's not my main job, but part of it.

Evil

[QUOTE=Hklover]Can you recommend 2-3 good bars and ST prices? Is 1000 Baht the sweet spot for a decent girl? Does that include the bar fine?

I'm coming to Bangkok for a few days next month, so looking to do it right and not pay too much and ruin it for others. I don't want to contribute to price inflation.

Thanks for any advice for a newbie![/QUOTE]

HKLover,

Don't worry about inflation. That, unfortunately, is out of our hands. The only way to stop inflation is to stop buying period. That's not going to happen anytime soon.

The 1,000 baht is the high end for an average girl. You can have a lot of fun with the average girl and a great personality. You may need to go up in price for better looks. Here's my view and I'm sure some others will jump in and flame me for it. The 5 is what I would call the average girl. Dime a dozen and you can find thousands of them. A 6 would be attractive, but would not turn your head in a fish bowl lineup. A 7 would be one of those girls that would attract your attention in a big office environment. An 8 or higher and they could be earning a living off their looks alone. That's just my personal ratings and really, one man's 6 is another man's 8.

The bar fine is not included in the prices I listed and of course, the Soapy Massage Parlors have a fixed price structure. The range, depending on the establishment can be about 1,500 baht to 2,500 for most girls and up to 5,500 baht for the models. The Soapy Tips range from 200 to 500 baht. This is a guide, don't take these numbers too seriously! Negotiate!

Below average to average:
Looks 0 to 3 - 300 baht or less. Opebo girls! Just a joke!
Looks 4 to 5 - 500 baht to 1,000 baht.
Above average to very attactive:
Looks 6 - 1,000 baht to 1,500 baht
Looks 7 - 1,500 baht to 2,500 baht
Stunning:
Looks 8 - 2,500 baht to 3,000 baht
Looks 9 - 3,000 baht to 5,000 baht
Perfect:
Looks 10 - They name the price, you accept or walk away.

Personality can play a big part, certainly you might be able to get a way with less. You will find out very fast, within the first 24 to 48 hours. Just talk to a lot of girls. Bargain and you will see what they are willing to accept. There can be a big difference in the asking price and what they will settle for. If it's slow, you can get very lucky. You can do just fine for 1,000 baht to 2,000 baht. To do better than fine, you may need to go higher.

For best bars, don't worry too much about that. The bars are up and down Sukhumvit for several miles. There's Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy and Patpong if you are looking for a cluster of bars. You can see all three areas in one night, if you just browse real quickly through all of the bars and don't sit down in too many of them.

Soi Cowboy would be the best bang for the buck in my opinion. Nana would be 2nd and Patpong a distant 3rd. Nana does have some great woman, but they will be asking 3,000 baht ST and the lowest you might get is about 2,000 after bargaining. At least for the top of the line girls.

For the afternoon's there's the Beer Garden and for evenings, Gullivers and Bamboo Bar. There's the Pent, Boss, Hollywood Bangkok Club, Tunnel Club, CM2, Nana Disco, Spice Club. The Soi 33 bars, Livingstones Sports Bar (Soi 33). So many options, too many to list.

Hong Kong and Macau is great, but you will never find more options than you will find in BKK or Pattaya.

Have fun!
AT2

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]As always, the pages should be read in order, i.e., K11, L12, M13, etc.

Evil[/QUOTE]

Isn't she great ;)
Nice personality, good pool player (now) and lost a couple of pounds since end of 2006 and looking hot as ever!

She is a favorite of a good buddy of mine (non-ISG guy) who stays at G's once or twice a year, and I just forwarded one of your pictures of her to him. He'll eat his heart out and get a good laugh when he sees her!

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2] I've also heard about the stereotyping of the "nice" farang and the shitty Thai guys. Sorry, but that's mostly a myth too, in my observations. You can look the world over and find that shitty guy's are in good supply in all races/cultures. That's why they have restraining orders. But there are also gentlemen too, and I have met many of all races/cultures. I have Thai friends and contacts, both here in Hawaii and in Thailand, and they have perfectly great families and home lives.

Peace,
AT2[/QUOTE]

I never said otherwise. But the fact is, the vast majority of working Thai ladies BELIEVE that farang men will treat them better, unless they have an unpleasant experience that alters that preconception.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]I never said otherwise. But the fact is, the vast majority of working Thai ladies BELIEVE that farang men will treat them better, unless they have an unpleasant experience that alters that preconception.[/QUOTE]

Member,

Point taken, although for what it's worth, the girls tell us Asian guy's that we are so much nicer than Farang men. There's a lot of telling you what you want to hear, that's involved too.

Take care .. I do enjoy your contributions.

AT2

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Member,

Point taken, although for what it's worth, the girls tell us Asian guy's that we are so much nicer than Farang men. There's a lot of telling you what you want to hear, that's involved too.

Take care .. I do enjoy your contributions.

AT2[/QUOTE]

They meant that you pay better. And from what I've seen of your posts, that seems to be true. BTW, that's not meant as a put-down, as that's in fact one of the major ways that p4p ladies measure how well they've been treated.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2].....................

Below average to average:
Looks 0 to 3 - 300 baht or less. Opebo girls! Just a joke!
Looks 4 to 5 - 500 baht to 1,000 baht.
Above average to very attactive:
Looks 6 - 1,000 baht to 1,500 baht
Looks 7 - 1,500 baht to 2,500 baht
Stunning:
Looks 8 - 2,500 baht to 3,000 baht
Looks 9 - 3,000 baht to 5,000 baht
Perfect:
Looks 10 - They name the price, you accept or walk away.............

Have fun!
AT2[/QUOTE]

Not to make any fun on your report, could you please qualify the above with pictures to match the looks. As you well know, looks differs based on the beholder. A guideline will be very much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Like Latinas]Hi guys,

Maybe some of you could tell me if the girls at the Beergarden, Soi 7 are normally accepting anal?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I think so.

[QUOTE=Duniawala]Not to make any fun on your report, could you please qualify the above with pictures to match the looks. As you well know, looks differs based on the beholder. A guideline will be very much appreciated.[/QUOTE]

Duni,

You take my report far too seriously! LOL! I mistook HKLover's post for HKDog. I have seen many of HKDog's posts, so I thought he would appreciate the details. Just a guess. However HKDog is a Asia regular, so if I had paid more attention, it would have seemed odd for him to ask this question. We will see if it matters to HKLover.

Yeah, I could have said 500 baht to 5,500 baht, but a range like that may just have raised more questions. At least I know where all the sex shows are! Just a joke. I knew I would take a few shots for that post.

In the end really, it's your money, you spend it the way you want.

AT2

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Isn't she great.

Nice personality, good pool player (now) and lost a couple of pounds since end of 2006 and looking hot as ever!

She is a favorite of a good buddy of mine (non-ISG guy) who stays at G's once or twice a year, and I just forwarded one of your pictures of her to him. He'll eat his heart out and get a good laugh when he sees her![/QUOTE]She's a beauty. What was her price and services? I'll be there in June.

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]That was job-related. I get paid to stay in different hotels and write reports about them. That's not my main job, but part of it.

Evil[/QUOTE]

Evil, what's next? You getting paid to sleep with different women to write reports about them?

[QUOTE=Tulip777]Evil, what's next? You getting paid to sleep with different women to write reports about them?[/QUOTE]

If you hear about any jobs like that, please let me know. I'll be sure to apply. Until then, I'll have to keep chugging along as a travel writer.

Evil

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Duni,

You take my report far too seriously! LOL! I mistook HKLover's post for HKDog. I have seen many of HKDog's posts, so I thought he would appreciate the details. Just a guess. However HKDog is a Asia regular, so if I had paid more attention, it would have seemed odd for him to ask this question. We will see if it matters to HKLover.

Yeah, I could have said 500 baht to 5,500 baht, but a range like that may just have raised more questions. At least I know where all the sex shows are! Just a joke. I knew I would take a few shots for that post.

In the end really, it's your money, you spend it the way you want.

AT2[/QUOTE]
Hey AT2

I guess you missed my joke. It's like looking at all the pussy shots and saying to myself, "Aha, I know that pussy anywhere". How the fuck is one to know from the pixes how deep and tight a certain pussy is? And which pussy goes with what face. If someone can answer that, I will show you the biggest moron on planet earth.

Hey, to each his own. :) Just enjoy.

[QUOTE=Mauldid]She's a beauty. What was her price and services? I'll be there in June.[/QUOTE]

PM for details

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Nice report of the lodge and pictures. And here I thought you were only a Eden guy. ;)[/QUOTE]I agree - nice report and photos Evil, and interesting to see a new style of report layouts.

Also good to see your photos of the lovely Jen. I was told by Mel Gibson (you know who I mean) that Jen still thinks about me, three years later. :)

(Sorry to read you passed a bad Czeck in the hotel. At least you didn't bump into a big Pole).

The airport fact sheet just posted ( [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2793[/url] ) is a great idea but I notice no mention of the express buses from Suvarnabhumi to the major tourist areas in BKK. I recall paying something like 10 bucks last year for fast bus transportation, and I'm expecting to use it when I visit this year. Is that an oversight, or has that service been ended?

It also states that taxis are well regulated, and you cannot take a taxi upstairs at departures. Ridiculous, I have NEVER been down to arrivals. I went to the airport yeterday to drop off the GF, and walked right out departure level, accross the street, and into 1 of 20 waiting cabs.
It is a locked thread, so not possible to comment there.

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003]The airport fact sheet just posted ( [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2793[/url] ) is a great idea but I notice no mention of the express buses from Suvarnabhumi to the major tourist areas in BKK. I recall paying something like 10 bucks last year for fast bus transportation, and I'm expecting to use it when I visit this year. Is that an oversight, or has that service been ended?[/QUOTE]

I'm sure that it's A LOT less hassle to pay 350-400 Baht, which comes to between $11 and $12.50 to take a cab into Bangkok. I've never NOT been able to get a cab for Meter + 65 tolls, +50 airport cab fee, which ends up coming to around 320-350 baht plus tip.

If I was going to Pattaya, I might well take a bus, because that's the difference between 1200 Baht ($38) or under 200 baht ($6) to take a bus into Patts

[QUOTE=1Ball]It also states that taxis are well regulated, and you cannot take a taxi upstairs at departures. Ridiculous, I have NEVER been down to arrivals. I went to the airport yesterday to drop off the GF, and walked right out departure level, across the street, and into 1 of 20 waiting cabs.

It is a locked thread, so not possible to comment there.[/QUOTE]Me, too. Departure level, all the time.

Just have to be clear before getting in, "Taxi Meter? " I always try to have the 65 baht for the tolls and about 200-250 baht for the fare. That way, there are no "change games" at the end.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Of the pics below, I would rate Bargirl1 a 500 baht girl and she would not be on my "to do" list. No offense to her, since she might say the same thing about me, if the roles were reversed! LOL! The 2nd and 3rd pics, I would be willing to pay 2K baht without any problem, if they show the right attitude. The models, 3K baht to 5K baht would not be a problem for me. I know those models are not on the market. You can find comparables in BKK.

AT2[/QUOTE]I wouldn't contend with anything you say here or in the rest of your post.

Although IMO with a little luck your model types can be had for 1000 in BKK.

And I doubt that i'd do the others.

[QUOTE=Piper1]I agree - nice report and photos Evil, and interesting to see a new style of report layouts.

Also good to see your photos of the lovely Jen. I was told by Mel Gibson (you know who I mean) that Jen still thinks about me, three years later. :)

(Sorry to read you passed a bad Czeck in the hotel. At least you didn't bump into a big Pole).[/QUOTE]

Did someone say Czeck? It's Chech mate.

[QUOTE=1Ball]It also states that taxis are well regulated, and you cannot take a taxi upstairs at departures. Ridiculous, I have NEVER been down to arrivals. I went to the airport yeterday to drop off the GF, and walked right out departure level, accross the street, and into 1 of 20 waiting cabs.
It is a locked thread, so not possible to comment there.[/QUOTE]

I think they have relaxed a bit at the new airport. When they first opened you could not get a taxi on the arrival level. Now you can, even though you aren't supposed to catch one there.

[QUOTE=Tit Luvr2]I will be visiting BKK shortly.

I would appreciate suggestions on a "must experience " itinerary.

I am keen on
>Nude go-go's
>Massage (sexual )with great technique
>Soapy massage
>anything else you recommend

I don't mind higher costs/surcharges but the experience/place must have a high probability of being excellent.

Mick,thanks for all the reports[/QUOTE]Any advise?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Member #2041]I'm sure that it's A LOT less hassle to pay 350-400 Baht, which comes to between $11 and $12.50 to take a cab into Bangkok. I've never NOT been able to get a cab for Meter + 65 tolls, +50 airport cab fee, which ends up coming to around 320-350 baht plus tip.
[/QUOTE]

The Airport Express ride was actually less hassle for me because I didn't have to deal with cash. I walked through customs, headed straight for the bus dispatch desk, bought a ticket with a credit card, hopped aboard, and turned into a mumbling vegetable for awhile (I was tired from my flight).

The bus went straight to Sukhumvit and dropped me about a block from Soi 33. I didn't touch Thai money until I after I had checked into Livingstone's, showered and changed clothes.

There wasn't any real traffic between the airport and Sukhumvit, but I could see where a cab and the tollway would be preferable at certain times of the day. I don't think we took a tollway in the bus; I did not see any tollgates.

Returning to the airport, I should have taken a cab if I had been in a hurry. I caught the bus on the south side of Suk near the Phrom Pong skytrain and it took me all over hell's half acre before hitting the highway. It was no problem as I was WAY early.

airport express bus is 150B (but doesn't run all night - last one is at midnite)

Hey guys, we are over for a week in BKK. First trip.

Wondering:

-Anyone ever stayed at Presidential Park Hotel? How is it?
-How is the weather now?
-Is it really tough to tell the ladyboys apart, are they upfront about it?
-For a week there, what are the top clubs to go? I did RTFF and got the followign:

-Avoid patpong
-The best club area is krabi island
-silom is a waste of time too
-the two most elite places are the Pent , Twa-walli and also La Defense.

Is this about right? Thanks so much :)

[QUOTE=Tulip777]Did someone say Czeck? It's Chech mate.[/QUOTE]

Just to clarify, it's Czech. :)

[QUOTE=Borat69]Hey guys, we are over for a week in BKK. First trip.

Wondering:

-Anyone ever stayed at Presidential Park Hotel? How is it?
-How is the weather now?
-Is it really tough to tell the ladyboys apart, are they upfront about it?
-For a week there, what are the top clubs to go? I did RTFF and got the followign:

-Avoid patpong
-The best club area is krabi island
-silom is a waste of time too
-the two most elite places are the Pent , Twa-walli and also La Defense.

Is this about right? Thanks so much :)[/QUOTE]

Presidential Park ??? You mean President Park? Lots of President's for hotels in BKK, Grand President, Presidents Solitare and I think there is Royal president and probably more etc... I do not know Presidential Park however. If it is President Park it is getting up there in age, lots of new ones now adays, on Soi 24, I actually like the area however, but not next to Cowboy or Nana that is for sure. More near Emporium and Soi 33. Stayed there before, was GF and no major complaints but have moved to other serviced apartments over President Park.

BTW... There is a hotel thread in the Thailand forum. You can search there also.

Krabi... that's in the south... You're going to take a plane down to Phuket or a bus down there for clubbing??? Not near BKK. If you think Krabi is near BKK you are mistaken. Did you look at this on the map?

Define Elite and for what are you looking for, Club or dancing or Ladies or what??

Why avoid Patpong?? Yes it's a tourist trap but you can buy a knock off rolex or gucci bag for the wife and get a BJ in the same area (SOL). Granted yes I do not go there often as there are better places to go.

Clubs... for what exactly, help us out a little. For dancing or to pick up FL's or for girls. For some folks a club could be Suzie Wong's on Cowboy and for others it could be CM2 or such and others it could be Gullivers. Heck as far as I know you could be wanting Eden as your idea of club.

Transvestites... I never ended up with one in my room, others have made the mistake. Some are obvious but of course some are not so obvious. In general have not had any issues with ending up with one. Understand that Thailand accepts transvestites more or better then most places in the world does.

There is a identifying transvestites thread in the thailand forum also.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Just to clarify, it's Czech. :)[/QUOTE]

You are right Tanzak! I had to be thinking of Peter Cech and screwed up. Soccer and chess don't mix well.

[QUOTE=Tulip777]Soccer and chess don't mix well.[/QUOTE]It's Football, not soccer.

[QUOTE=Tulip777]You are right Tanzak! I had to be thinking of Peter Cech and screwed up. Soccer and chess don't mix well.[/QUOTE]You guys know how to spoil a bad joke. :(
Hey, did I ever tell you the one about the Australian, the German, the French/American ...

:D

[QUOTE=Piper1]You guys know how to spoil a bad joke. :(
Hey, did I ever tell you the one about the Australian, the German, the French/American ...

:D[/QUOTE]
In Thailand, English form words can be spelled any way you feel like.
But makes it hard to search the forum for place names with 6 alternate spellings.

[QUOTE=Tit Luvr2]Any advise?

Thanks[/QUOTE]
For nude Gogos, bear in mind that not all girls are nude all of the time, but...:

Suzi Wong, Long Gun, Dolls House, Deja Vu (all in Soi Cowboy near Sukhumvit Asoke (Soi 21) intersection, off Asoke ) and probably others.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Nice report of the lodge and pictures. And here I thought you were only a Eden guy. ;)[/QUOTE]

Not only an Eden guy, but definitely a fan. Here's a report on an Eden adventure, with photos of the famous Gina. If you want to see more pics of Pla, one of the other ladies mentioned in this report, check out [URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=628732&postcount=4012]Pla and Wa of the Eden Club.[/URl]. As always, the pages are to be opened in order: A1, B2, C3, etc.

Evil

If you saw a few of these in Trinks column 10 years ago they came from us. Enjoy.

A BEER IS BETTER…

The Bangkok version

Editors Note: Thanks to the merry group of beer drinkers (John, John, and John), who endured several nights out in Patpong, Soi Cowboy and NEP brainstorming this version. The groups combined total of more than 85 years living in Thailand (and only God knows how many beers & women) allows us to speak with experience.

1. Beer never calls or writes to ask for money.
2. Beer doesn’t ask for gold jewelry.
3. A beer is the best thing to pick up at the Marine Bar.
4. Beer never asks where you came from (or what your name is).
5. Beer never has a sick mother.
6. Beer doesn’t need to be fed every two hours.
7. Beer doesn’t wear a number.
8. You don’t need to wear a condom to drink a beer.
9. You can drink a beer EVERYDAY of the month.
10. Beer doesn’t have a sister with absolutely NO family resemblance.
11. Beer has a good reputation.
12. Beer makes you want more.
13. Beer won’t show up or call the next day.
14. Beer doesn’t have a friend named Noi.
15. Beer knows when to leave.
16. Beer always tastes good.
17. Beer never leaves you disappointed when you take off the label.
18. After you’ve had a beer…no one else can.
19. Beer gives a bitter head.
20. Beer doesn’t hang around.
21. You can be certain you’re the first one to open a beer.
22. Beer can’t make a long distance call on your mobile when you’re in the toilet.
23. A beer doesn’t want to sit on your lap.
24. Beer never worked for the Kings Group.
25. Beer never worked at a Rainbow Bar.
26. Beer can dance.
27. A beer is never a katoey.
28. Beer never leaves lipstick or scratch marks.
29. Getting rid of a beer is easy.
30. You don’t have to share a beer with the rest of Bangkok.
31. A beer doesn’t look at others when you put your lips on it.
32. A beer never worries about its figure.
33. A beer never calls you “kee nieo” (sticky shit or miserly).
34. A beer is taller than most Thai women.
35. Beer doesn’t think it’d look better with a nose job.
36. Beer doesn’t think it’d look better with a tit job.
37. Bar fine for a beer is only 60 Baht.
38. A beer won’t give you AIDS.
39. A beer is the best looking thing at Thermae at closing time.
40. With a beer, “Happy Hour” always is.
41. It’s easy to manage a beer.
42. Beer doesn’t have to talk with Trink every week (only you old hands will get this).
43. Beer doesn’t come from Issan.
44. When beer goes flat, you can throw it out.
45. Beer looks the same in the morning.
46. Beer doesn’t come to work on a motorbike.
47. Legs don’t get in the way when you lift a six-pack.
48. You can get beer into a glass without KY.
49. A beer bottle never needs batteries.
50. Beer doesn’t have stretch marks.
51. Beer has a garden, not a bush.
52. Beer never comes in your hand and always leaves when it’s finished.
53. A beer doesn’t fart when you’ve finished having fun with it.
54. Beer never gets pregnant.
55. No beer is “coyote ugly”.
56. Beer never insists on keeping you until it’s finished.
57. Beer never insists you quench its thirst.
58. Beer could never amputate your dick.
59. Beer is here today and gone tomorrow.
60. Beer doesn’t eat grasshoppers.
61. Beer only has a drippy glass.
62. When you put a sack over beer it stays on.
63. A beer only weighs 12oz.
64. A beer never wants to “tio” (making the rounds to her hangouts).
65. You don’t need 2 hands to hold a beer.
66. A beer doesn’t make you shower first.
67. You don’t need to tip a beer.
68. A beer never asks for taxi money.
69. Beers foam is blonde.
70. The sweat on a beer has no odor.
71. You can see though a beer.
72. Beer is easier to understand.
73. Beer never wants more money after you’ve paid for it.
74. Beer doesn’t wear make-up.
75. Beer doesn’t dance while talking on a mobile phone.
76. Beer is always wet.

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I arrived in BKK airport last Friday 8pm, and went to the 1st level AE kiosk with the intension to take an AE to Suk. A guy at the counter said all the buses except the bus to Kaosarn were stuck in the traffic jams and could not say when they would come to Airport. He suggested to take a taxi to On Nut, which is the last stop on BTS, and from there took a BTS to Asok where my hotel was located. Due to the motorway routing, it probably cost more, but it was circa 300B including 20+25B toll charges and a airport surcharge of 50B (I am not sure this is legitimate). So I was checking in no time at 9pm, and was cheking my list of the possible venue for that night. :D

But I opted for a lady provided in-house, and invited to my room. Well this is another story. ;)

So you are staying a hotel along BTS or MRT, consider this option if you find the BKK streets chockablock, and cannot wait for your first action asap.

Oh, I tool a taxi from the arrival level, expecting a long queue. But there was nobody, it was as if I was the first one for the day. :)

chock dee (spell? but my thai)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]It's Football, not soccer.[/QUOTE]

sorry, I wanted everybody to understand.

[QUOTE=Piper1]You guys know how to spoil a bad joke. :(
Hey, did I ever tell you the one about the Australian, the German, the French/American ...

:D[/QUOTE]

you mean French/Canadian

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]Not only an Eden guy, but definitely a fan. Here's a report on an Eden adventure, with photos of the famous Gina. If you want to see more pics of Pla, one of the other ladies mentioned in this report, check out [URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=628732&postcount=4012]Pla and Wa of the Eden Club.[/URl]. As always, the pages are to be opened in order: A1, B2, C3, etc.

Evil[/QUOTE]
EP

There is just one word about your report. Awesome!!! I have never been to Eden, and I will rectify that on my next trip next week.

[QUOTE=Duniawala]EP

There is just one word about your report. Awesome!!! I have never been to Eden, and I will rectify that on my next trip next week.[/QUOTE]

I'll second that. Great reports Evil. I'm coming in this weekend for sure. It's just that no matter what time of day it is (I usually try to be there around 1) there is always a skinny lineup. I think that lady at the bar is not treating me right.

[QUOTE=Duniawala]EP

There is just one word about your report. Awesome!!! I have never been to Eden, and I will rectify that on my next trip next week.[/QUOTE]

Duni,

Just one recommendation. Go early .. meaning at opening or just before opening. They have about 20 to 30 girls, and some are pre-booked by regulars like EP. The lineup may have 14 to 20 girls, even if you get there early. Given the two girl theme, it won't take many customers to drop that number down to 6 to 8 girls.

The service from the girls is consistently good, but I think the selection process feels a little rushed. Have a good time!

AT2

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]For nude Gogos, bear in mind that not all girls are nude all of the time, but...:

Suzi Wong, Long Gun, Dolls House, Deja Vu (all in Soi Cowboy near Sukhumvit Asoke (Soi 21) intersection, off Asoke ) and probably others.[/QUOTE]Rawhide,

Next door to LG is usually a good bet for this (and some decent shows too).

Hi all,

with Chinese New Year looming ahead, what affect does it have on BKK and the fun scene? Business as usual (except for China Town area?)

Cheers

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]Not only an Eden guy, but definitely a fan. Here's a report on an Eden adventure.Evil[/QUOTE]Hi Evil,

Great report of Eden Club.

Can you post seperate pictures of the girls?

Khob khun khap

Cheers

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]Not only an Eden guy, but definitely a fan. Here's a report on an Eden adventure, with photos of the famous Gina. If you want to see more pics of Pla, one of the other ladies mentioned in this report, check out [URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=628732&postcount=4012]Pla and Wa of the Eden Club.[/URl]. As always, the pages are to be opened in order: A1, B2, C3, etc.

Evil[/QUOTE]Please explain the yellow line. BTW, Wa is hot.

[QUOTE=Mauldid]Please explain the yellow line. BTW, Wa is hot.[/QUOTE]

The yellow line is painted down the centre of the bar. When the girls line up they stand either side of the line. If the stand on the left of the yellow line they are 3 holers(take it up the arse), on the right 2 holers.

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]Not only an Eden guy, but definitely a fan. Here's a report on an Eden adventure, with photos of the famous Gina. If you want to see more pics of Pla, one of the other ladies mentioned in this report, check out [URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=628732&postcount=4012]Pla and Wa of the Eden Club.[/URl]. As always, the pages are to be opened in order: A1, B2, C3, etc.

Evil[/QUOTE]Excellent narrative - 2 things strike me about it

First: until I saw the pics I had no idea what Eden looked like - imagined something bigger (more neon like some of the soapies)and it just looks like a shop front!
Secondly: I thought the Thai response from trouble was to walk away to avoid aggression which would be seen as losing face - though clearly only one person lost face in the encounter - perhaps that was why they didnt want to talk about it

[QUOTE=Jc373]The yellow line is painted down the centre of the bar. When the girls line up they stand either side of the line. If the stand on the left of the yellow line they are 3 holers(take it up the arse), on the right 2 holers.[/QUOTE]

Just to make things perfectly clear - it is the customer's left as he faces the girls.

Evil

I've been reading up on these reports getting ready for my first trip back in over 10 years. Good advice here if you take the time to read! (Oh and yes, I will pay for a subscription. Its the least a newbie can do to repay the advice. My question is, I've noticed in some reports the girls are willing to shower with the guys when they are in a LT situation, and in some reports girls refuse to shower. What's the norm?

I wouldn't try this again.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=544921#post544921[/url]

[QUOTE=Dobinator1]I've been reading up on these reports getting ready for my first trip back in over 10 years. Good advice here if you take the time to read! (Oh and yes, I will pay for a subscription. Its the least a newbie can do to repay the advice. My question is, I've noticed in some reports the girls are willing to shower with the guys when they are in a LT situation, and in some reports girls refuse to shower. What's the norm?[/QUOTE]

There is no norm. Gee it is up to each individual.

[QUOTE=Dobinator1]I've been reading up on these reports getting ready for my first trip back in over 10 years. Good advice here if you take the time to read! (Oh and yes, I will pay for a subscription. Its the least a newbie can do to repay the advice. My question is, I've noticed in some reports the girls are willing to shower with the guys when they are in a LT situation, and in some reports girls refuse to shower. What's the norm?[/QUOTE]

I don't think that there is a "norm". Some will enthusiastically shower with you, either for a ST or LT encounter, and others won't. I have never been able to predict which ladies would fall in which category.

D1,

There are many girls whether it is ST or LT, will not want to shower with you. The ones that don't usually make up some excuses like they are shy about their bodies. They prefer to have you shower first and then they thereafter.

For me personally this is a turn off, so I make sure prior to taking her that she knows exactly what I expect from our encounter and that I like to do some foreplay in the shower. I also am somewhat cautious since I don't want to end up in the Thai news for all to see that I got drug and robbed. Some althought rare! might lace their breast with knock out drugs.

LBM

[QUOTE=Dobinator1]My question is, I've noticed in some reports the girls are willing to shower with the guys when they are in a LT situation, and in some reports girls refuse to shower. What's the norm?[/QUOTE]

This actually struck me as an interesting question. From my experience... no girl that I can recall has ever refused to shower together, LT or ST. However... saying that, when I was with a new girl that I never was with before, thinking about this, I realized that majority of the time (not all the time) we shower seperately at first. However, after doing the deed we generally shower together.

You stated LT so I assume you are not talking about MP's and Soapies which shower you. Good question. Enjoy your trip and maybe we'll run into each other.

I arrived finally to BKK from New York. Taxi from airport to our hotel costed around 350 baht. I am surprised by how hot it is here! Great weather... really excited. Here just for 3 days on business so want to make the most of it... would love any advice/thoughts while I am here...

Walked around Soi 22 where I first found a massage place with pretty subpar girls. The girl quoted 700 on top of the 300 at the desk for just a handjob, and wanted 1500 (+300 at desk) for full service. In the end I brought down the price to 1500 in total, but I believe I still overpaid slightly especially because she wasn't particularly anything special.

Anyway we also checked out Nana which had a great atmosphere. In the end I found a stunner for 2800 ST including ST hotel (300) + bar fine (500). I think she was worth it and is definitely one of the most beuatiful girls I've seen here since arriving. She's given me her number so I'm thinking to invite her to the hotel, but not sure what price to offer (and ideally could have her over for an extended time period)

I am curious if my budget is up to 3000 per girl, where can be find the absolute stunners here, best value for money etc? The soi cowboy & nana areas seem very touristy. We saw a few amazingly well dressed asian beauties but no idea where they came from... any thoughts?

Try Poseidon 2000. It is a more popular area for locals and they price differently for farangs like you. BTW, for ST, you paid way too much.

Spend some time looking through the board and you can find some stuff downtown. There was a great massage place I went to with a local friend. Can not remember the name of it unfortunately for you. The manager during the day was great at recommending who is great. I learned all about their interviews. There is no sexual harrassment in those types of interviews. Now that would make me want to be in human resources!

Have fun. Don't complain about the heat!

[QUOTE=Dobinator1]I've been reading up on these reports getting ready for my first trip back in over 10 years. Good advice here if you take the time to read! (Oh and yes, I will pay for a subscription. Its the least a newbie can do to repay the advice. My question is, I've noticed in some reports the girls are willing to shower with the guys when they are in a LT situation, and in some reports girls refuse to shower. What's the norm?[/QUOTE]
Never met a girl who would not shower at all.
However many are too shy to shower with a guy at first. May change her veiw later or may not.
Bar girls who dance nude everyday should be less shy.
wayward girls will be willing.

[QUOTE=Meal Soy Hooing]Try Poseidon 2000. It is a more popular area for locals and they price differently for farangs like you. BTW, for ST, you paid way too much.

Spend some time looking through the board and you can find some stuff downtown. There was a great massage place I went to with a local friend. Can not remember the name of it unfortunately for you. The manager during the day was great at recommending who is great. I learned all about their interviews. There is no sexual harrassment in those types of interviews. Now that would make me want to be in human resources!

Have fun. Don't complain about the heat![/QUOTE]
Also look in the Bangkok MPs thread for Copa Cabana, Long Beach, Nataree, Emmanuelle, Colonze 2 etc.

Or go Tulip, Eden, etc.

[QUOTE=Borat69]
I am curious if my budget is up to 3000 per girl, where can be find the absolute stunners here, best value for money etc? The soi cowboy & nana areas seem very touristy. We saw a few amazingly well dressed asian beauties but no idea where they came from... any thoughts?[/QUOTE]

A good place to go shopping is Soi 33. The atmosphere is much more upscale (and the prices somewhat higher) than Cowboy and Nana. You'll see lots of long dresses.

In addition to the street-facing bars -- many of them with the names of artists like Monet, Manet, etc -- don't miss the sports bar hidden in Livingstone's boutique hotel in the back by the pool. Look for the big elephant tusk arch on the left side.

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003]A good place to go shopping is Soi 33. The atmosphere is much more upscale (and the prices somewhat higher) than Cowboy and Nana. You'll see lots of long dresses.

In addition to the street-facing bars -- many of them with the names of artists like Monet, Manet, etc -- don't miss the sports bar hidden in Livingstone's boutique hotel in the back by the pool. Look for the big elephant tusk arch on the left side.[/QUOTE]

I like Soi 33 very much and I agree but..... his budget is 3,000 baht.

Soi 33 Bar Fines are 1500 to 2000. Late at night you can get 1000 BF but the girl would have to be desperate to accept 2000 baht for LT. Plus I'd say there are a collection of bars you DO NOT want to hit on 33 due to questionable practices. So Soi sahm sahm I don't think is a good idea for the poster.

Plus we all have a different opinion of what a stunner is.... So hard to advise on his question IMHO.

I guess stick to NEP, Cowboy, Beer Garden, Bamboo Beer Hall, Nana Parking lot. Personally... Bamboo Beer Hall has been good to me over Beer Garden and Nana Parking Lot. But don't tell anyone :) Of course the same girls generally make the circuit of all the places.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I guess stick to NEP, Cowboy, Beer Garden, Bamboo Beer Hall, Nana Parking lot. Personally... Bamboo Beer Hall has been good to me over Beer Garden and Nana Parking Lot. But don't tell anyone :) Of course the same girls generally make the circuit of all the places.[/QUOTE]


Stupid question: Where is Bamboo Beer Hall ?

[QUOTE=William Tellhk]Stupid question: Where is Bamboo Beer Hall ?[/QUOTE]

Nah not stupid.... as it is actually Bamboo Beer Bar not Hall but for whatever reason I always call it Hall.

Soi 3, across from Grace

There also is a collection of places on Soi 22 that was good as not many guys go there.

Last time I was there, about eight months ago, the ST wa 1200-1500 and LT was 2000-2500B (i.e. LT was 24 hrs long). Have the rates really gone up that much or are the newbies paying too much?

Anyone know where in Bangkok (preferably near Nana) where I can buy a power adapter/converter to convert from bkk wattage to US wattage? Last time in LOS I had to rough it and couldn't shave or cut my hair for 2 weeks!!!! PLEASE HELP!!!

Thanks,

Superman

[QUOTE=Duniawala]Last time I was there, about eight months ago, the ST wa 1200-1500 and LT was 2000-2500B (i.e. LT was 24 hrs long). Have the rates really gone up that much or are the newbies paying too much?[/QUOTE]

Duni,

Are you talking about the rates in general? If you are, there are quality girls around for that price range and many for far less. Somewhere specific like Beer Garden, Bamboo Bar, Nana, Soi Cowboy or Soi 33? You can get rates 1/2 of that easily at the Beer Garden and Bamboo Beer Bar. That is too high for those bars. The Beer Garden is still a 1,000 to 1,500 baht LT option. To me, the pickings are slim there. You can still get those rates at Soi Cowboy and 1,500 LT there is still possible, and at Nana it will be a little harder but still possible.

The Nana girls are pushing for 2,000 ST and 3,000 LT. Many will drop and the top end girls hold their ground if it's busy. You will not likely get those rates in Soi 33. I would consider LT to be closer to 12 to 15 hours.

AT2

[QUOTE=William Tellhk]Stupid question: Where is Bamboo Beer Hall ?[/QUOTE]

It's a nice option, right across the Grace Hotel on Soi 3. Look for that Pizza joint and it's right next to it. It's not like the Beer Garden, where you have some action in the afternoon. Most of the fun is in the evening. Booze, freelancers, pool tables, live band, dancers. Worth a look.

It's known as the Bamboo Beer Bar, but the sign out front says Bamboo Pub, if I'm not mistaken.

AT2

First time in Bangkok, what is a guy to do?

The more research undertaken, in this forum and others, the more confused I became. In the end I went with what seems to be a few longstanding benchmarks of what Bangkok has to offer:

1. Eden Club. Decided to pick the best looker whatever side of the line and then offer her the choice of who was to join us. Turned out just fine. Vim (my choice) was 'trim, taut and terrific' and Lors (sp), her choice, turned out to be passionate and oh so into getting my rocks off and hers as well! And, a great kisser to boot. In China, every man should walk on the Great Wall. In India, everyone needs to see the Taj Mahal. In Bangkok (Thailand) every man needs to experience the joys of the Eden Club at least once in his life. Some describe it as formulaic. No doubt after a number of visits this may be true. But, for this mug punter, what a great way to be introduced to the exotic delights of Bangkok. No anal. As it turned out both girls came from the other side of the line. Instead, highly skilled oral (TC) and multiple tag team callisthenics with three pops was a great way to start 24 hours of debauchery.

2. Annies. Undoubtedly the highlight. Huge mixed messages about the quality of facilities and services at this long time institution. Apart from the efforts of Mamasan to convince me to go for one or two of the 'aunties' in the fishbowl, I could not fault Annies. Opted for Aor (#11), despite protestations from Mamasan, and could not have done better. Young, enthusiastic, great kisser. The list goes on. Standard format as described elsewhere but the lingering memory is one of someone who was good fun and so wanted to please. Fantastic! BBBJ, FSx2 and HJ all in a wonderful two hours of pleasure.

3. Arkane. Tad unusual here. For the most part service as described elsewhere but limited to HJ with masseuse remaining in lingerie throughout. Based on other posts, I suspect my propensity to go for looks cost me in terms of experience, resulting in service delivery by a newbie. If this had been my only experience in Thailand I would have been sorely disappointed. But as it turned out, the wash was great (I wish more Aussie WLs would indulge in this practice! ), the massage was skilled and the tug was ok too.

Back in the land of smiles later this year and cannot wait to build on this foundation!

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[QUOTE=Duniawala]Last time I was there, about eight months ago, the ST wa 1200-1500 and LT was 2000-2500B (i.e. LT was 24 hrs long). Have the rates really gone up that much or are the newbies paying too much?[/QUOTE]



Since when was long time 24 hours ????????????????

I am not saying it is impossible however don't take it for granted that the girl will stay for 24 hours.

Many "Nana" girls expect to leave at 7am so it is a good idea to check first, never assume anything.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]Since when was long time 24 hours ????????????????

I am not saying it is impossible however don't take it for granted that the girl will stay for 24 hours.

Many "Nana" girls expect to leave at 7am so it is a good idea to check first, never assume anything.[/QUOTE]
For me it is either an ST or if I like someone and get along well then I like to keep her for a few days. So far I have given a min. of 2K and max of 2.5 K. Of course all incidentals are taken care of like food, beer and fucking.:)

BTW, AT2 I did get those rates (1500LT) from a Soi 33 bar. In fact 2 of them. I'm not being a cheap charlie, but I negotiated the rates in all fairness beforehand. But I treated them to good dinner and wines though.

[QUOTE=Duniawala]For me it is either an ST or if I like someone and get along well then I like to keep her for a few days. So far I have given a min. of 2K and max of 2.5 K. Of course all incidentals are taken care of like food, beer and fucking.:)

BTW, AT2 I did get those rates (1500LT) from a Soi 33 bar. In fact 2 of them. I'm not being a cheap charlie, but I negotiated the rates in all fairness beforehand. But I treated them to good dinner and wines though.[/QUOTE]

Duni,

Good to hear that the Soi 33 girls will go down to 1,500LT and no, I would never consider you a cheap charlie. The Barfines on that Soi still bother me. Out of line with the general quality of the girls, since they are not in general 2 to 3 times more attractive. An occasional stunner yes, but in general no.

If you are staying at Livingstones, I can understand that it would be convenient.

AT2

Thanks Meal Soy, Tansak, Will, Etoin, Mick and AT2, great advice there. Good to know the rates a bit more.

Re: what I'm looking for - I tend to go for at least 8+, which means white skinned, model quality, stunning face. Most girls therefore are already ruled out, in fact walking down Soi Cowboy or nana I rarely see agirl I would pay, but there is certainly a supply in the right place. The girl I had yesterday on Soi Cowboy even according to my pal was easily the hottest girl on the entire street, but I think I definitely was overpaying at 2000 for ST. But she was definitely a hottie, a face of an angel 9 for an asian chick and a tight young bod. It was a pretty fast job though.

Today, we headed over to PatPong, which I know is not the best place to be. But we went there initally to do real shopping but what a rip off place. We did see a dance bar I think called King's something - where there were some absolutely stunning girls... I would say at least 3-4 8+s. Most almost looked Japanaese- very white skins, tall, slim etc. I had 2 sit with me for a very short while and wasted a few hundred on drinks, didn't go further, they were really asking for too much, between 2500-3000 for a couple of hours + BF of 500. I was very tempted because of the quality, but my gut just held back. I was very tempted by a couple - I think number 142 and another chick who claimed to be half french, gorgeous face IMO but maybe it's a personal taste. There are too many farangs there so I don't think they were really open for negotiation. Plus already went once today :)

I really want to get the high end girls which based on advice I assume is tougher somewhere like beer garden and Nana, and more supply somewhere like Soi 33? I would like them to come back to the hotel for say 4 hours, so it's pretty much MT, with just a couple of pops. I did manage to arrange one session with a massage girl I had on Soi 22 today for 900 all in who said she can come for 2000 for a few hours, with multiple pops, but since going to Patpong which I know lots of people don't recommend and prices are waaay inflated. I would like to get the quality of girls like those at this King's something place we were at, if possible, for 1500 or less. :)

The concierge at our hotel suggested a couple of places:

Ratchada
Kao San
Pasa (?)

Are any of these good? I am also curious if there are any actual proper massage places that can give a good strong hard massage for a good price.

Thanks again guys, really appreciate it and will post up my findings later on :)

[QUOTE=Superman79]Anyone know where in Bangkok (preferably near Nana) where I can buy a power adapter/converter to convert from bkk wattage to US wattage? Last time in LOS I had to rough it and couldn't shave or cut my hair for 2 weeks!!!! PLEASE HELP!!!

Thanks,

Superman[/QUOTE]

First it is voltage not wattage. Wattage is a messure of power not voltage. Ie something that is 120 watts, is 120 watts regadless of weather it is 120volts or 240volts. The difference being 120watts at 120 volts is 1amp, 120 watts at 240volts is 0.5amps.

Anyway electronics lesson aside what you require is a step down transformer, I would go to any of the IT malls and have a look, but not sure of your chances though it wouldn't be a common type thing.

Now are you sure your shaver doesn't have a voltage switch. Most you buy in this day and age are either auto sensing or have a change switch.

Superman79,

You got to be kidding me! Your cutting your own hair and shaving too! Go to August Salon on Sukhumvit across from the Landmark Hotel. I get my groove everytime I'm in Bangkok at August, good haircut, I even get a shave even though I hardly have facial hair just to get close to the ladies breast. The last time I was there they seem all to have nice legs and big boobs.

For the price better than a converter!

LBM

[QUOTE=Superman79]Anyone know where in Bangkok (preferably near Nana) where I can buy a power adapter/converter to convert from bkk wattage to US wattage? Last time in LOS I had to rough it and couldn't shave or cut my hair for 2 weeks!!!! PLEASE HELP!!![/QUOTE]

A converter, a good one, costs more then a hair clipper. Go to a store in BKK and buy a local voltage clipper is my recommendation. If you are desperate to get one a converter google it on line as I do not remember seeing any in Pantip or MBK upstairs or such. You can also ebay it. But a good one, a portable one, will cost you more then a clipper will, I have two, one corded and one plug in. I think each was 30 USD and I got out of China. You can find clippers at MBK or Pantip for little money. Take the bts from nana to national stadium and look upstairs in MBK.

And I agree with JC373... every shaver I've seen works in either voltage. But no shaver ever cuts close enough and i still end up using a blade in BKK.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Superman79,

You got to be kidding me! Your cutting your own hair and shaving too! Go to August Salon on Sukhumvit across from the Landmark Hotel. I get my groove everytime I'm in Bangkok at August, good haircut, I even get a shave even though I hardly have facial hair just to get close to the ladies breast. The last time I was there they seem all to have nice legs and big boobs.

For the price better than a converter!

LBM[/QUOTE]Now THAT is an excellent recommendation!!

What you have to remember is that, although you would not think so, these girls have standards too. They will fuck nearly any man for money, some will be "allowed" to bargain cheaper (they like to be seen with nice looking guys), some will have to pay the full rate with no discount.

How long they stay with you will depend on whether they like you, how much your paying etc.

They do get embarassed walking around with Grandpa or Frankenstein on their arm, now if Grandpa/Frankenstein is paying big bucks, they will take it on the chin, but if Grandpa/Frankenstein is not paying big bucks they will not embarress themselves and will leave early in the morning.

Thai girls deem P4P as a job, they have to do it. There is no concern about what you look like (although they do prefer "handsome man")

Thai girls deem being seen around town with a farang a different proposal, and only if they like you, think you look ok, or know you are paying above average money will they do that, and not be departing and getting home a. S. A. P. For a good mornings sleep.

This is why its very important if you're not a great looking guy, to discuss what you are paying for, what time she will leave etc. So there is no misunderstanding. I find lots of guys are honestly too shy to talk about price, time etc. This is crazy, but its where many misunderstandings come from.

Open you mouth, discuss price, discuss time, discuss what she will do. Make a decision. And you'll not be disappointed.

[QUOTE=Duniawala]For me it is either an ST or if I like someone and get along well then I like to keep her for a few days. So far I have given a min. of 2K and max of 2.5 K. Of course all incidentals are taken care of like food, beer and fucking.:)

BTW, AT2 I did get those rates (1500LT) from a Soi 33 bar. In fact 2 of them. I'm not being a cheap charlie, but I negotiated the rates in all fairness beforehand. But I treated them to good dinner and wines though.[/QUOTE]

Its hard to find any appliances these days that weren't made in China or SEAsia, and most work fine with 120 or 240v. China uses US-style plugs, and a lot of SEAsia places are wired with outlets that will accept multiple plug styles. I carry a plug adaptor set but would never consider carrying a transformer.

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003]Its hard to find any appliances these days that weren't made in China or SEAsia, and most work fine with 120 or 240v. China uses US-style plugs, and a lot of SEAsia places are wired with outlets that will accept multiple plug styles. I carry a plug adaptor set but would never consider carrying a transformer.[/QUOTE]
I think the General thread is intended for non-mongering stuff.

[QUOTE=Borat69]<cut>
Re: what I'm looking for - I tend to go for at least 8+, which means white skinned, model quality, stunning face. Most girls therefore are already ruled out, in fact walking down Soi Cowboy or nana I rarely see agirl I would pay, but there is certainly a supply in the right place. The girl I had yesterday on Soi Cowboy even according to my pal was easily the hottest girl on the entire street, but I think I definitely was overpaying at 2000 for ST. But she was definitely a hottie, a face of an angel 9 for an asian chick and a tight young bod. It was a pretty fast job though.
<cut>[/QUOTE]
If you reckon you got the best girl in the street, then 2000 is not surprising, although you might have been able to negotiate less.
She is going to want a lot more than the average girl.
If you only got 15 mins, then O.K. it would be high.
I expect at least 1.5 Hrs for a ST.
If you come real quick, then you had better negotiate for 2 shots and a minimum time.

"Pasa?" that you mentioned could be "Plaza Entertainment" perhaps.
See Bangkok MPs thread.
Not sure why Khao San road was mentioned.
Its not usually discussed here as a good mongering place.

Since you are asking for pretty girls at bargain basement prices (1300-1500), I would suggest these soapies (not for a real massage): Bangkok Cozy, Nancy, Meree (they won't all be pretty but hopefully a few good lookers).
If willing to go to 2000+, try Long Beach or Copa Cabana, or maybe Nataree (some say they have pretty girls)

[url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=701191highlight=Soapy+Guide#post701191]Soapies Ref List & Guide[/url]

[QUOTE=Superman79]Anyone know where in Bangkok (preferably near Nana) where I can buy a power adapter/converter to convert from bkk wattage to US wattage? Last time in LOS I had to rough it and couldn't shave or cut my hair for 2 weeks!!!! PLEASE HELP!!!

Thanks,

Superman[/QUOTE]Really? That's so sad and pathetic. LOL.

I don't know about a converter, but I've found disposable razors and battery operated shavers in Seven Eleven stores on Soi 3 and 4 near NEP. The latter was only about $7. Aside from that there are tons of barber type services everywhere to get a shave or haircut for a lousy buck.

[QUOTE=Borat69]
I really want to get the high end girls which based on advice I assume is tougher somewhere like beer garden and Nana, and more supply somewhere like Soi 33? I would like them to come back to the hotel for say 4 hours, so it's pretty much MT, with just a couple of pops.
The concierge at our hotel suggested a couple of places:

[/QUOTE]

Borat,

For the Soapy Massage Parlors, check out Utopia, near the Huai Kwang MRT Station. You will need to take a cab from that station or you will not find it. They had some nice models when I was there in August. Fish Bowl to the left as you enter. Some girls lined up against the left wall and models on the 2nd floor in the bar area. I enjoyed the bar area, kicking back with a beer and checking out the model section. Be sure to check out Mick's Massage parlor posts in the Massage thread. He covers everything and don't forget some of these places have farang surcharges from 500B to 1,000B.

Mick's Utopia report:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=701173&highlight=utopia#post701173[/url]

Nataree, at Huai Kwang Station is very easy to find and has a good selection for between 2,000 baht to 3,300 baht. Smallish Fishbowl, with 15 or so "older" 30'ish girls in the fishbowl for 2,000 baht. Younger girls outside against the walls and in the small bar area. About 40 or more girls in all.

Mick's Nataree and Emmanuelle report:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=701177&highlight=nataree#post701177[/url]

There's an interesting Karaoke place, down the block past Emmanuelle, but just went in to take a quick look. Not sure what their system is, and most of the girls were average, but would be interested in any info someone else has of it. By the way, Emmanuelle is also worth a look, but was rather dead, when I visited back in August. Only about a dozen girls in the Fish Bowl. Gaudy "Vegas" type outside structure and a reasonable large setup.

For a Gentlemens Club, you can visit the Pent Executive for something different. It's not a Go-Go, where you barfine the girl. Nothing is guaranteed, so don't go there if you want a sure thing. You will spend about 2,000 baht, just for drinks. Why go? You meet the girls, collect some phone numbers, and arrange to meet them outside the club. Some of them are outstanding!

When you first go in, you will see a bar to the left and a stage to the right. There's a band playing all night long. Follow the bar on the left to the back, and there's another back bar area. You will pass a pool, which is used for parties. The back bar, has more girls mingling with the customers. Some of the girls there are hot! But be ready to pay, they are not cheap. Expect 2,000 baht or more for the evening and most likely that's short time, but there are exceptions. See Sasquatch stories ...

Pent 2 Part Story by Sasquatch73
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=618554&highlight=Pent#post618554[/url]

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=618555&highlight=Pent#post618555[/url]

The cards below have the address info if you are interested. Might help to have those cards handy for the taxi driver. Not for everyone, but just a suggestion.

AT2

[QUOTE=Borat69]
The concierge at our hotel suggested a couple of places:

Ratchada
Kao San
Pasa (?)

Are any of these good? I am also curious if there are any actual proper massage places that can give a good strong hard massage for a good price.

Thanks again guys, really appreciate it and will post up my findings later on :)[/QUOTE]

The Pasa could be Pasaya Party Massage. I have not tried them, but here's the rundown of what I have heard and read. It's run by the Lord Group (Long Beach, Copa-Cabana, Malibu, Victoria) and it's on Ratchadapisek near the Suthisan Station exit 4. I have seen the big Marilyn Monroe bill board fronting the place, above the entrance. Billed as an Eastern Spa, it looks like it's more an Oily than a Soapy. The menu reads like an oily.

I may need to add them to my list of places to visit this year.

AT2

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]The Pasa could be Pasaya Party Massage.
<cut>
AT2[/QUOTE]
I doubt it as Thais would put emphasis on the "ya" part.
But worth checking out all the same.
All Lord Group (LongBeach Group) places seem to be good.
Have to put Longbeach and Copa Cabana high on list for pretty girls at "gold star" level (in between fish bowl and side-line levels) without being too pricey.

But your a lucky fellow. The pricing will be great for you even in Emmanuelle, Plaza and Utopia :envy:

[QUOTE=Easy2007]

This is why its very important if you're not a great looking guy, to discuss what you are paying for, what time she will leave etc. So there is no misunderstanding. I find lots of guys are honestly too shy to talk about price, time etc. This is crazy, but its where many misunderstandings come from.

Open you mouth, discuss price, discuss time, discuss what she will do. Make a decision. And you'll not be disappointed.[/QUOTE]



That sounds like very good advice, I know one guy who refuses to go with a girl who wants to discuss her fee, we must never forget that these girls are in business ---- yes they may like to have fun as well but the bottom line is that you will be paying her in the morning.

any recent reports about bangkok law officers going into bars and demanding [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] tests for all there? even though one may be a law abiding citizen abroad. those tests could pick up something from the home routine.

there were reports of this a year or two back.

veterans? ex pats? informed opinions?

many thanks in advance for your input here.

davewave

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I doubt it as Thais would put emphasis on the "ya" part.
But worth checking out all the same.
All Lord Group (LongBeach Group) places seem to be good.
Have to put Longbeach and Copa Cabana high on list for pretty girls at "gold star" level (in between fish bowl and side-line levels) without being too pricey.

But your a lucky fellow. The pricing will be great for you even in Emmanuelle, Plaza and Utopia :envy:[/QUOTE]

Mick,

Good point. I just added the surcharge warning to my last post and a reference to your awesome guide. Unfortunately the surcharge exists in many places and is a discriminatory practice that I wish would disappear.

AT2

Got 3 days left, and feel like I'm running out already! The Soi Cowboy girls are definitely not up my alley, we went twice now. Think Nana will pretty much be the same. We've stuck to the rows of massage places on Soi 22 but teh girls there are mostly 5-7 with the occasional 8. I have to say that I'm tempted to go back to that hot club in Patpong with all the hotties wanting $3k +BF , and negotiate it for longer.

I am loving this place tho... wow.

Can you tell me please of all the Lord Group places - where is the highest ratio of tall, leggy white skin (jap look, mixed look) models that can be had for $2k under ? :) I am tempted by Long Beach and Copa Cabana. Yummy. I like gold star.

[QUOTE=Borat69]Got 3 days left, and feel like I'm running out already! The Soi Cowboy girls are definitely not up my alley, we went twice now. Think Nana will pretty much be the same. We've stuck to the rows of massage places on Soi 22 but teh girls there are mostly 5-7 with the occasional 8. I have to say that I'm tempted to go back to that hot club in Patpong with all the hotties wanting $3k +BF , and negotiate it for longer.

I am loving this place tho... wow.

Can you tell me please of all the Lord Group places - where is the highest ratio of tall, leggy white skin (jap look, mixed look) models that can be had for $2k under ? :) I am tempted by Long Beach and Copa Cabana. Yummy. I like gold star.[/QUOTE]

Borat,

Look at the Massage thread and look at pages 4, 5, 6 (Keep in mind, could move back a few pages as members post). Mick posted a massage guide. Names, maps, everything. See Long Beach, Copa Cabana, Poseidon, and Utopia. All four probably have what you are looking for.

Forget 2K baht and under though. Think 2K baht to 4K baht and possibly higher as the price range at those massage places. If you go to Nana Plaza, hit the Rainbow Bars (1st floor and 2nd floor) and they may have a few that might meet what you are looking for. The upper level Rainbow Bar especially caters to the Japanese, with many girls sporting the J-Girl hair styles and makeup. Add in Colonze II as a value option for for 1.7K baht to 2K baht. They have an early bird rate, and I think it's before 6:00pm. Nataree is good too, but may not have the type you are looking for.

Mick did an amazing job with the massage parlor posts. Don't let it go to waste.

AT2

[QUOTE=Member #2041]You might try Moscow.[/QUOTE]Dear Member #2041,

As a senior member (from the number of posts that you have under your name!) in this forum, we expect you to be more benign. You are unnecessarily scaring off new members like Green Thumb.

If you don't know, no need to be sarcastic. You can choose to be silent. There are a number of other senior members who may answer answer such questions. In fact I am also interested in the answer.

[QUOTE=Green_Thumb]So if a guy like me was real interested in finding a russian/white lady for the night, where would be my best places to look? I will be making first trip to Bangkok next week. Any help would be appreciated and will definitely post my experience.

Thanks,

GT[/QUOTE]Not exactly 'white ladies' but a number of middleeast ladies are available in Grace Hotel. The rate quoted is THB2000 for ST. A numer of them are stunners. But a bit rude and aggro. Never tried, eventhough want to badly try one next time.

If you find any white/russian lady in CM2 or elsewhere, please report here for benefit of other members.

Thanks

A quick report. Today we finally hit up a bunch of the places listed here:

-First we took a cab over to Long Beach near Rama 9, based on positive recommendations here. Cabbie wanted 100b from where we are (near Soi 24), and TBH never sure if that's a decent rate. I think we should stick to the meter. Anyway for some reason Long Beach appeared almost completely empty. There were only like 2 or 3 girls! But they were decent looking. Burned 300b on drinks then we left.

-Took another cab to BKK cozy. There were also a limited supply again. Not sure if it's because it's Sunday afternoon. Maybe 4 or 5 girls and all were dogs. So we left.

-After lots more messing around, hitting up Nana plaza and being completely disappointed by the quality of girls (5-6s) and another 150b down the drain on transport... at this stage we were getting pretty fed up... we met a cabbie which offered to take us back to our hotel for 100b, or to this place I mentioend before 'pasa', and if we don't see anything we like he will drive us back for free. so we took that option.

-Well, Pasa turned out to be the club mentioned a handful of times on here called 'Cupidy'. I guess that's what the locals call it. Anyway, I was actually quite astounded when first walking into the club. There were more than 50 girls to select from. About 15 behind a window, and another 20-30 sat on the open area. At first sight I thought they were all really attractive, only close inspection they were maybe 7s with a couple of 8s. No where as hot as the girls I mentioned in Patpong.

-My pal went with a girl behind the windows for 2800b in total... which I think is slightly overpriced, for 2 hours. But she was a hottie. Apparently with some attitude though. Charged 500 tips (in the 2800). I went with a darker skinned but pretty stunning girl in the open area, which apparently costs more. For papasan + fee and 2 pops I ended up negotiating 3k in total.

Overall we had a pretty nice time, but feel like we're no where close to hitting the quality we want for the price we hope to get. Maybe we're being ambitious. We're now contemplating a trip to Pattaya instead because checking the boards htere stunners can be had for 1k. On the other hand I wonder if I sould just be touristy, and go with the super hot 3k chicks in Patpong. Unfortuantely the quality I saw at this particular place is still unrivaled anywhere else...

I wonder if there are also any decent priced Russians in BKK like I read about in Pattaya?

This installment takes up where [URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=700256&postcount=1164]Part 1[/URL] and [URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=700261&postcount=1165]Part 2[/URL] left off. As always, the pages should be opened in order - A1, B2, C3, etc.

I'm getting close to the end, only two more days left in the trip. It's been fun writing it up and arranging the pics, I relive each day and incident in detail and that's part of the enjoyment of the experience. It also makes the waiting time for my next trip more tolerable. And I appreciate all the kind words - many thanks!

[QUOTE=Borat69]A quick report. Today we finally hit up a bunch of the places listed here:

-First we took a cab over to Long Beach near Rama 9, based on positive recommendations here. Cabbie wanted 100b from where we are (near Soi 24), and TBH never sure if that's a decent rate. I think we should stick to the meter. Anyway for some reason Long Beach appeared almost completely empty. There were only like 2 or 3 girls! But they were decent looking. Burned 300b on drinks then we left.
If they were decent looking, you didn't need to leave or drink too much. Just wait for the best lookers to emerge.

-Took another cab to BKK cozy. There were also a limited supply again. Not sure if it's because it's Sunday afternoon. Maybe 4 or 5 girls and all were dogs. So we left.
[/QUOTE]
I am surprised so few, but optimum times are like 3:30 or 4PM on Friday or Saturday.
You did not say what time you were there on Sunday. Could have been too early?

Its true there are some good looking girls in downstairs bars in Patpong.
But its hard to find those that are not just in rip-off mode.

[QUOTE=Borat69]
Overall we had a pretty nice time, but feel like we're no where close to hitting the quality we want for the price we hope to get. Maybe we're being ambitious. We're now contemplating a trip to Pattaya instead because checking the boards htere stunners can be had for 1k. On the other hand I wonder if I sould just be touristy, and go with the super hot 3k chicks in Patpong. Unfortuantely the quality I saw at this particular place is still unrivaled anywhere else...

I wonder if there are also any decent priced Russians in BKK like I read about in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]

Borat69,

If you don't like the girls at Soi Cowboy or Nana, don't expect to find any to your liking in Pattaya. From what I'm reading from your posts, you are after the J-Girl look. The 3K baht girls you are talking about at Patpong, are the spillover affect from the Thaniya Plaza area bars, which cater to the Japanese. At least, that's my perception. Maybe someone who lives in BKK and see's it every day could offer an insiders perspective.

I have not seen a 1K baht stunner in Pattaya or BKK, since the prices have crept up to the current levels. Some love Pattaya and others like myself, find it a major turnoff. You do need to see it for yourself, since only you know what you are looking for. Just go there with your expectations in check.

AT2

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]
I'm getting close to the end, only two more days left in the trip. It's been fun writing it up and arranging the pics,[/QUOTE]

EP - tell Ms. T we miss her on Soi 33.

Your pix and commentary a pleasure to read.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]EP - tell Ms. T we miss her on Soi 33.

[/QUOTE]

Whoa, you mean she's not there anymore? That's unfortunate. I thought I'd be able to see her smiling face again in March. Oh well, not exactly the first time a girl has moved on to something different.

Evil

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]Whoa, you mean she's not there anymore? That's unfortunate. I thought I'd be able to see her smiling face again in March. Oh well, not exactly the first time a girl has moved on to something different.
...
[/QUOTE]Evil Penivel,

Don't worry, she has some days off, will be back soon :).


Giotto

Hi guys,

I have a fetish for nylons, pantyhose and uniforms (schoolgirl, air stewardess, nurse, maid, etc...). I am aware that there are supposedly take-out bars that cater to these types of places. Would you know of any in Pattaya, BKK and Phuket?

Thx in advance!

PS: I've heard that Afterskool in Soi Cowboy could fit my desire. Is that true?

Hi All,

Yeah my first day in LOS. I hit the malls today. ( big mistake very big and I didn't realize the time would past so quickly ) but anyway Pantip and MBK was great. I came back to Livingstone's to freshen up and then to Annies for a soapy. Line up was very few (about 10 girls) I have chosen No27, not the best looking but nice body was very good company. After the first shot she gave me superb massage I even fall asleep :) Then one more time on her request. On the way back I saw No:9 at the bar. She was HOT. I will give her a try. Time was 23:30 and I was feeling dizzy (too much vodka with bacardi blazers is not good) so I decided to call the night. I had a quick stop at Thermee. Place was crawling with young stunners. I will check tonight again when I am sober. Also in the Lounge the is this one hot girl but she was with another guest, I will see if I can find her alone other nights. She has the cutest smile of Thailand I guess.

Thats all for now. Day 2 will come tomorrow. And when I am back, detailed reports will follow. Hey I am here for holiday not to spend my whole time in front of a computer :))

[QUOTE=Montrealer2]Hi guys,

I have a fetish for nylons, pantyhose and uniforms (schoolgirl, air stewardess, nurse, maid, etc...). [/QUOTE]

Just about any girl from any establishment will be able to fulfill your fantasy about nylons or pantyhose - just ask her to wear them. If she doesn't have, they can be bought cheaply from a street stall or store. The girl will know.

Regarding uniforms - the Eden Club on Soi 7/1 has an extensive collection (not sure about stewardess, but I know they have the others you mention.) Schoolgirl is common at many bars. Just by chance, I was in Livingstones on the "French maid" night. One photo below is Miss D from Livingstones, the other from Secrets in Pattaya.

Evil

[QUOTE=Shing Taikoo]Not exactly 'white ladies' but a number of middleeast ladies are available in Grace Hotel. The rate quoted is THB2000 for ST. A numer of them are stunners. But a bit rude and aggro. Never tried, eventhough want to badly try one next time.

If you find any white/russian lady in CM2 or elsewhere, please report here for benefit of other members.

Thanks[/QUOTE]I've run into some white-skinned half Thai and half European P4P ladies.

If one seeks and asks around, i expect they are not too hard to find in BKK,
a city of like 9 million people.

Have been told that foreign soldiers in Udon Thani made many mixed breed
TG beauties. So that might be another place to find these women.

[quote=davewave]any recent reports about bangkok law officers going into bars and demanding [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] tests for all there? even though one may be a law abiding citizen abroad. those tests could pick up something from the home routine.

there were reports of this a year or two back.

veterans? ex pats? informed opinions?[/quote]i read every post here at isg religiously, and there have been no reports.

however with the new cronies voted in, oth says things could get hairy soon, so beware. oth is always infallible in his prophetic utterances.

what i suggest you do if you go to any bars is keep your eyes open for uniformed and uncover cops. crossing fingers behind the back might not be a bad idea either.

better yet, do what i do. avoid the drunken bar scene, paying lady drinks
and bar fees by picking up a hottie on the street.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]I have not seen a 1K baht stunner in Pattaya or BKK, since the prices have crept up to the current levels.

AT2[/QUOTE]What are you calling a stunner? Ladies like Dada and Nampeung on the
Thailand 2007 Maxim DVD? Or Gay from Pattaya as seen in the magazine
After Dark? I find 1000 Baht girls like this eveyday on the streets of BKK.

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]
Regarding uniforms - the Eden Club on Soi 7/1 has an extensive collection (not sure about stewardess, but I know they have the others you mention.) Schoolgirl is common at many bars. Just by chance, I was in Livingstones on the "French maid" night. One photo below is Miss D from Livingstones, the other from Secrets in Pattaya.

Evil[/QUOTE]
Livingstone's Miss Dear is really a wonderfully pretty and classy looking girl!
Stunning!
Whoops, I think some others said the same thing.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2 02-03-08 at 01:57]...Forget 2K baht and under though. Think [b]2K baht to 4K baht and possibly higher[/b] as the price range at those massage places.... AT2[/QUOTE]I am confused about the prices quoted here and in other posts.

I am also aware of escorts (outcall) advertising on ***tonite (may the boss forgive me this one time!) for 2000/4000 THB for ST/LT. Ok, they may not be the youngest, but look great and have favorable reviews.

Is there a catch and if so, what have I missed?

I realise that MPs provide a different experience and to each his own and all that, but as far as value for money, services clearly and unambiguously offered and possible GFE goes, the escort route seems preferable to me.

Can a knowledgeable monger pls comment?

Okay, where could I get a genuine Uni girl which doesnt make a living out of p4p? Standing outside the uni won't do any good I assume, so what do you guys recommend? Any websites or webboards that could do the trick, or anyone have some connections as to where to find them (maybe a current GF at uni e. G? )?

Congratulations on super posts. It is easy to see why you are a travel writer.
While it is always fun to read the "penetration" stories, you have certainly added a new dimension as a "class act".

Mongers visiting BKK should keep in mind that a quick trip to Ancient City will give them a camera full of nice tourist shots for the folks back home.
'bare

[QUOTE=Two Dogs]First time in Bangkok, what is a guy to do?

The more research undertaken, in this forum and others, the more confused I became. In the end I went with what seems to be a few longstanding benchmarks of what Bangkok has to offer: [/QUOTE]Hey Deuce! Nice report from an un-jaded newbie! I gotta check out Annies, sounds like you had a ball. I mean nice piece of ass.

[QUOTE=Richo Stevens]Okay, where could I get a genuine Uni girl which doesnt make a living out of p4p? Standing outside the uni won't do any good I assume, so what do you guys recommend? Any websites or webboards that could do the trick, or anyone have some connections as to where to find them (maybe a current GF at uni e. G? )?[/QUOTE]

I always find this question amusing. One likely couldn't pick up "genuine" uni girls in the States that easily. So, why would anyone think they could here?

One does occasionally sees a few Farang lurking around university campuses here and I've actually been approached a couple of times by them asking "how to talk to the girls" - I suppose they assume I'm one of them. This type of thing seems to be increasing lately. But, I wouldn't recommend it. Apart from the fact that campus security would probably go after you, it would be a pointless excercise at most unis. One of the few universities where students might be game, if you approached them is Ramkhamhaeng. But, you'd have to speak Thai and you'd have to NOT look like the typical geezer one sees trolling aroung the Nana area. Still, the more likely reaction would be nervous giggles followed by a hasty retreat. Average Thai girls are generally scared of Farang.

There are no webboards for students, unless you can write in Thai and even if you could, as a Farang, you'd be shut out quite quickly. It's very difficult to pick up a uni girl, at the best of times, especially if you are visiting, unless you are quite young and good looking. The best place to meet quality uni girls is in the Thai clubs around Ratchada soi 4-8 and the clubs in the Thonglor/Ekamai area. RCA might have some. But, it tends to only attract teenagers these days.

There are also lots of students of every description hanging around Siam Square. But, again I wouldn't recommend approaching them as they'd likely rebuff you and run away.

Unless you look like Orlando Bloom or Leonardo di Caprio, I'd say your chances are nil.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Have been told that foreign soldiers in Udon Thani made many mixed breed TG beauties. So that might be another place to find these women.[/QUOTE]

A little out of date PP. Any Luk-kreung who had a daddy in the military in Udon would be well on in her 30s at least, by now.

Most young luk-kreung one sees around these days are the products of mis-alliances between love-struck sex tourists and their rent-a-skank/wife.

As Thailand becomes (very, very slowly) more global and more accepting of outsiders, you'll see in about 20 years or so lots of luk-kreung from more normal Farang-Thai relationships.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I always find this question amusing. One likely couldn't pick up "genuine" uni girls in the States that easily. So, why would anyone think they could here?
....................................
Unless you look like Orlando Bloom or Leonardo di Caprio, I'd say your chances are nil.[/QUOTE]
Hey OTH,

Go to Vegas or Atlantic City during summer breaks and you can get quite a few Uni girls. No kidding.

And you must be a handsome man looking like Bloom.

I am in BKK and staying at LL. Why don't you come on down this evening and I will buy the drinks.

Duni

[QUOTE=Borat69]Got 3 days left, and feel like I'm running out already! The Soi Cowboy girls are definitely not up my alley, we went twice now. Think Nana will pretty much be the same. We've stuck to the rows of massage places on Soi 22 but teh girls there are mostly 5-7 with the occasional 8. I have to say that I'm tempted to go back to that hot club in Patpong with all the hotties wanting $3k +BF , and negotiate it for longer.

I am loving this place tho... wow.

Can you tell me please of all the Lord Group places - where is the highest ratio of tall, leggy white skin (jap look, mixed look) models that can be had for $2k under ? :) I am tempted by Long Beach and Copa Cabana. Yummy. I like gold star.[/QUOTE]I was in Patpong last night and did not see ANY hot club. Do you remember the name of that club ? Is it on Patpong 1 or Patpong 2?

Thanks in advance for your help to find higher quality from what I am seeing now in BKK.

[QUOTE=Daddy San]I am confused about the prices quoted here and in other posts.

I am also aware of escorts (outcall) advertising on ***tonite (may the boss forgive me this one time!) for 2000/4000 THB for ST/LT. Ok, they may not be the youngest, but look great and have favorable reviews.

Is there a catch and if so, what have I missed?

I realise that MPs provide a different experience and to each his own and all that, but as far as value for money, services clearly and unambiguously offered and possible GFE goes, the escort route seems preferable to me.

Can a knowledgeable monger pls comment?[/QUOTE]

Daddy San,

I'm assuming you are going to BKK for the 1st time and hence the question. If I'm wrong, my appologies. Nana, Soi Cowboy, Patpong, RCA clubs, Soi 33, Pegasus, The Pent, Ratchadapisek Soapy Massage Parlors, Beer Garden, Club Forte, Thonglor, Eden are all very different experiences. Different types of girls, different types of customers, and different pricing structures. Basic supply and demand rules apply, like anywhere else in the world and of course cost factors. Each venue and girl charges what they can. In general, you get what you pay for, and I mean the total package of services and not just the girl.

You just need to visit each, to get a feel for what you want. I would not rule out escorts, but that should be the last resort or only as an option if you require discretion and cannot be seen at the other venues. You are paying a big premium for convenience and discretion. Soi 33 is also expensive. You are paying for a better bar (Compare a Soi 33 bar and a Nana Plaza Bar). Let's face it. Nana has many many girls, but it's a shit hole. You are also paying for a nice quiet ambiance in Soi 33. You won't be sitting next to 20 other knuckle draggers. You may see one or two other customers at most. That can mean alot to some and may be worth the higher price and for others, who cares.

The Go-Go's (Nana & Soi Cowboy) have average to attractive girls and occassionally a stunner. You pay the barfine and negotiate with the girl. Mostly Issan girls and some fair skinned Thai/Chinese girls (mostly in the Rainbow bars). Rates 1,500 ST and 2,000 to 2,500 baht LT, with many variations in between, depending on how busy things are, the girls looks, your looks and your negotiating skills. Again, supply and demand.

With Escorts, you are paying for the agency fee. It's much higher than a barfine. My guess is at least half and more likely two thirds of the fee goes to the agency. That makes it a pricey option, so you really better like the convenience of picking up a phone or the discretion it provides. Most rates are 3,000 to 6,000 baht for ST. Pricey if you ask me. Beware the bait and switch too. If you find an Escort for 2,000 baht, you will probably be sorely disappointed when she arrives, unless she is a freelancer not connected with an agency. For 2,000 baht, you can get an attractive girl in Nana, Soi Cowboy or any other place and probably can get one for 1,500 baht. You also get to meet the girl face to face and get a gauge on her personality at a Go-Go. With an Escort service, the girl's pic may not look anything like her when she shows up and she could be completely incompatible personality wise. Of course, some may enjoy the unknown, and that would be a plus for them.

With the Soapy's, you are going to see primarily the fair skinned Thai/Chinese girls. They do command a premium in BKK. Just the way it is. How you feel about them in terms of looks, vs. the Issan girls is purely taste. Some people like seafood, others like steak and some like Chicken. Why are they priced differently? Supply and demand and cost factors. The Soapy massage parlors have a higher overhead, so you are paying for that too. It's a hotel basically, with large tubs for a nice wash by the girl, dining, and a large selection of girls for browsing. If you don't care to be washed, don't care about facilities, don't care about the fishbowl concept, then it's not for you. Rates range from 1,500 baht to 5,500 baht, depending on the Soapy and the girl.

The bottom line, is you need to see and experience these for yourself and then determine if it's for you and is worth the asking prices. Just keep in mind, a girl or a place will not ask for 3,000 baht or more, unless they can. You can bargain down, so asking price is not the same as getting price. Think cars.

When you say the escort route seems preferable to you, are you talking from actual experience IN BKK? Other places don't count, since it's really not the same situation. Have you actually been to a Soapy or to a Go-Go or to a Gentlemen's club like the Pent? Just asking, since I don't know where you are coming from.

For me, I like them all, and for different reasons. They all have pros and cons and it's like having Seafood one night, Steak another and Pasta on another. I have had great meals for $5 and $100, and don't regret any of them or what I paid for them.

AT2

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]What are you calling a stunner? Ladies like Dada and Nampeung on the
Thailand 2007 Maxim DVD? Or Gay from Pattaya as seen in the magazine
After Dark? I find 1000 Baht girls like this eveyday on the streets of BKK.[/QUOTE]

PinkPearl,

Everyone has different views of what constitutes a stunner. Been to BKK often enough over 20 years, to know what's on the streets in BKK. That's just my opinion and I'm sorry if my personal view offends you. Please read Borat's posts, to which I was answering. He visited Soi Cowboy and Nana and nothing piqued his interest. Read between the lines and ask yourself if he is going to find what he is looking for in the 1,000 baht range. I can find girls I like at Nana and Soi Cowboy. They do not need to be stunners, for me to have fun or to get my attention. Attractive will do.

I'm sorry, but the girl who is willing to settle for 1,000 baht is either very very very new or not in high demand. There are 10's of thousands of girls you can find for 1,000 baht or less even now. I have seen enough of them and very few pique my interest. There's always exceptions, but I would not call anyone of them stunning. Just one guys point of view. I'm sure you have your reasons for feeling otherwise. Unless we are in BKK at the same time, we will never know why the other feels the way they do. To compare notes face to face, so to speak.

Is the pic below, the Dada you speak of? If you can get girls like her for 1,000 baht or less in BKK now, you are a better man than I. I have never seen it done in my presence. Sorry, I'm a show me kind of guy, so stories don't count for me. If you have done it, what I think should not matter to you.

If the 2nd pic is the Nampeung you are talking about, then no, I do not consider her a stunner. Attractive, but not stunning, and you can find as good or possibly better in any of the Major Soapy's, Nana or Soi Cowboy and definitely at the Pent. Of course, it could be a bad pic and the Dada pic could be a great pic. But just based on the pics alone and not having seen them in person, I would give Dada a 9 and Nampeung a 7. I see a large gap in looks between the two.

But really, in the end, I was just answering Borat's question based on his comments and my personal view. Just 1 opinion out of a billion. Only trying to help the guy.

AT2

Must say very nice anaylisis put up nicely.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Daddy San,

I'm assuming you are going to BKK for the 1st time and hence the question. If I'm wrong, my appologies. Nana, Soi Cowboy, Patpong, RCA clubs, Soi 33, Pegasus, The Pent, Ratchadapisek Soapy Massage Parlors, Beer Garden, Club Forte, Thonglor, Eden are all very different experiences. Different types of girls, different types of customers, and different pricing structures. Basic supply and demand rules apply, like anywhere else in the world. Each venue and girl charges what they can. In general, you get what you pay for, and I mean the total package of services and not just the girl.

You just need to visit each, to get a feel for what you want. I would not rule out escorts, but that should be the last resort or only as an option if you require discretion and cannot be seen at the other venues. You are paying a premium for convenience and discretion.

The Go-Go's (Nana & Soi Cowboy) have average to attractive girls and occassionally stunners. You pay the barfine and negotiate with the girl. Mostly Issan girls and some fair skinned Thai/Chinese girls (mostly in the Rainbow bars). Rates 1,500 ST and 2,500 LT, with many variations in between, depending on how busy things are and of course the girls looks. Again, supply and demand.

With Escorts, you are paying for the agency fee. It's much higher than a barfine. My guess is half of the fee goes to the agency. That makes it a pricey option, so you really better like the convenience of picking up a phone or the discretion it provides. Most rates are 3,000 to 6,000 baht for ST. Pricey if you ask me.

With the Soapy's, you are going to see primarily the fair skinned Thai/Chinese girls. They do command a premium in BKK. Just the way it is. How you feel about them in terms of looks, vs. the Issan girls is purely taste. Some people like seafood, others like steak and some like Chicken. Why are they priced differently? Supply and demand. The Soapy massage parlors have a higher overhead, so you are paying for that too. It's a hotel basically, with large tubs for a nice wash by the girl, dining, and a large selection of girls for browsing. If you don't care to be washed, don't care about facilities, don't care about the fishbowl concept, then it's not for you. Rates range from 1,500 baht to 5,500 baht, depending on the Soapy and the girl.

The bottom line, is you need to see and experience these for yourself and then determine if it's for you and is worth the asking prices. Just keep in mind, a girl or a place will not ask for 3,000 baht or more, unless they can.

When you say the escort route seems preferable to you, are you talking from actual experience IN BKK? Other places don't count, since it's really not the same situation. Have you actually been to a Soapy or to a Go-Go or to a Gentlemen's club like the Pent? Just asking, since I don't know where you are coming from.

For me, I like them all, and for different reasons. They all have pros and cons and it's like having Seafood one night, Steak another and Pasta on another. I have had great meals for $5 and $100, and don't regret any of them or what I paid for them.

AT2[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Duniawala]Hey OTH,

Go to Vegas or Atlantic City during summer breaks and you can get quite a few Uni girls. No kidding.

And you must be a handsome man looking like Bloom.

I am in BKK and staying at LL. Why don't you come on down this evening and I will buy the drinks.

Duni[/QUOTE]

I agree with you. I wasn't really thinking about Spring Break, but some guy hanging around a university town trying to pick up students. In any event, one would have to be young and handsome anywhere to score with most uni students. The luck I've had, such as it is has largely been because I occasionally find that one atypical student who I've gotten close to and over a long time have eventually gotten involved with, somehow. It's not something one can do quickly. I'm around hundreds of uni girls every day and particularly now, it would be unlikely that I could score with any of them unless I put in a lot of effort, which I'm not really into doing anymore. What would be the point? It's not worth the effort or the residual effects. I used to do it because it was fun, the girls were generally much hotter than the average TG (or is it simply the uniform?), I had the time to do it and I liked the success, when it came. But, now, I don't care. I've got a GF and a Gig, both of whom are currently students. I have nothing to prove to myself, anymore.

There are plenty of TGs around - office girls, shopgirls, waitresses - who while not in the same league, status-wise as students are still often hot looking and may be far more accessible to the average Farang.

Well I'm normally more active in some other Asian country forums but had to post here after my recent activities.

As my name suggests, I inhabit the free world as opposed to the P4P world. Been to Bangkok many many many times and in every bar I've been able to find, and soapies too. I just prefer the notion of the chase and pretending that what I've found is possibly free.

Normal MO is to hunt them down on internet. And thanks to a new site, found a few. Or maybe they found me. I'm 50 but look ok. Thankfully.

Anyways. Did the chat. Sms. Even mms. Webcam thing and narrowed it down to a few.

There was a 38 yr old who was divorced a few years back. And has decided she needs to fly a bit before shes 40. States hed never had a farang.

There was a cute cute 23 year old. But wasnt sure she would show.

There was a very cute (webcam! ) 35 year old who was taking a bus trip to meet me and spend a day with me.

And another 23 year old who had no pics. (always a warning sign to me.) who was allocated a short time slot.

So heres what happened.

Arrived. Checked in. Got a suite in hotel near Ploenchit BTS. Best location for me. Quiet but close to activities.

Met the first one. In afternoon. Chatty friendly smart lady. Straight to hotel. Chat chat. Drink a bit. She wanted to offer me a massage. So starts with my clothes on. Then slowly they come off. Eventually kiss and head to bedroom. One hour of good sex. Shower. And she understands its time to go.

The 23 year old was supposed to be arriving about 30 minutes after lI had left first one. But she told me shes still at home. Bad start. Sms and calls over next hour and I'm not sure shes on her way. Tells me she is. But over an hour late. Well I went to Beer Garden thinking about Plan be just in case. Anyways she arrives at Ploenchit BTS. Kiss on mouth to greet me. Shes bright and funny and a real nice girl. We go to Suan Lum for drinks and food and get to know you. Taxi to hotel. Up to room. She rejects my first move on her. To go sit on another sofa. But manages to place her breasts in a low t shirt inches from me. No more rejection. , she told me shed done ti so she could tell herself she said no. We end up having sex for about 2 hours till 2 am. Wake up and 5. 30 am. And another hour of hot activity.

She everntually leaves to go to work and I get some much needed sleep. So first day was a double. Good start.

Well I had no major plans for day 2 but decide to go to an oil massage thats near my hotel. Cute masseuse. Ms Miou always happy to see me. Always lets me kiss her finger her and sometimes more. And more. Normal massage from her with great oily ball massage. Eventually kiss kiss. Bra off. And shes laying on the bed saying "No sek. No sek ok sek "funny moment. Lovely sweet lady. She gets her Bt 600 tip. Used to be 800 but dollars sinking.

And then. Shower and off to meet the 23 year old who hadnt sent pics. If she was ugly would blow her off. And having just come again. Wasnt feeling horny anyways. Met at Ploenchit. (repeating theme here) and she was cute. Not a classic beauty and not 40 kg but maybe 50. And a happy kid. We had coffee and get to know and as it was raining I said lets go watch tv in my room. She was ok with that. Sat. And of course got closer closer. Had a 15 minute kiss. But I wasnt feeling soo horny. So we stopped. Then again. Finally she asks. You want sek. I said lets wait.

Lets wait. Yeah. I knew I was seeing the other 23 year old in about 2 hours. And knew she would want sex on arrival. Hmm like I say I'm over 50 and my dick isn't always responsive to mutiple demands for instant erection.

Anyways one kiss led to another and another and eventually to the bed we go. She was shy in kissing lips. But not shy about kissing my dick. She was cute. After sex she showered got dressed and seemed to know there was only one round on offer. She left. And neither the 38 yr old nor the 23 year old had asked for anything. And both followed with sms after they had left asking for a repeat.

And I headed to Ploenchit for last nights gurl. She wanted to go to hotel but instead we went to Patpong market then to Central Dept store. She then tells me that shes taken the folowing day off so she can stay with me all day. Damn. I was supposed to see the 35 year old who took a bus trip to see me. But I figured this one was extra cute. She kept grabbing my dick in the taxi etc. So the 35 year old, well I guess she would be dissapointed but what to do.

She wanted a bikini (yeah I know. Nothing is really free). So there she is selecting a bikini. And wants to try it on. She asked the sales assistant if I can go with her. She says yes. So she strips down. Naked. Gives me a three minute blow. In a changing room. So interesting.

After that. This gurl wants to try some cocktails. Doesnt normally drink. So she had a few. In a few Patpong bars. Then we head to soi 7. Was goin to show her Biergarden. But we end up on Absolute bar. A few more cocktails and shes dread drunk. I wasnt unhappy. I wasnt sure my dick would respond anyways. Get home. And gurl is out of it. Drops her clothes on floor. Gets into bed. Up a few times to throw up. Lovely.

In the morning tho she makes up for it with a 15 minute blow before Id even said good morning. We then went to the pool with the new bikini, paragon store, and eventually headed to Soi Cowboy. She seemed to like watching the gurls. Onto Nana and eventually home. By this time shes happy but not drunk. Id bought her one of these super tacky nighties in Sukhimvit. Sheer, tiniest g string panties. And very sexy. She looked great. She opened all the curtains so anyone could see us. And we went to town. Last I remember she was perched on a chair with ass in air. Waiting for mine. She let me video her entirely. And was so happy just walking round naked. And had a good hot figure too. I got extra lucky.

In the morning said our tearful goodbyes and I left Thailand.

So. Id had 4 in space of 28 hours of arrival. One was paid for. The other 3 were free. Sort of. Tough schedule and probaby not enought free time for work, but if its a choice between work or pussy. Well we all know that one.

Great time. And can't wait to get back. Again.

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[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]PinkPearl,

Everyone has different views of what constitutes a stunner. Been to BKK often enough over 20 years, to know what's on the streets in BKK. That's just my opinion and I'm sorry if my personal view offends you. <cut>

Is the pic below, the Dada you speak of? If you can get girls like her for 1,000 baht or less in BKK now, you are a better man than I. I have never seen it done in my presence. Sorry, I'm a show me kind of guy, so stories don't count for me. If you have done it, what I think should not matter to you.

If the 2nd pic is the Nampeung you are talking about, then no, I do not consider her a stunner. Attractive, but not stunning, and you can find as good or possibly better in any of the Major Soapy's, Nana or Soi Cowboy and definitely at the Pent. Of course, it could be a bad pic and the Dada pic could be a great pic. But just based on the pics alone and not having seen them in person, I would give Dada a 9 and Nampeung a 7. I see a large gap in looks between the two.

But really, in the end, I was just answering Borat's question based on his comments and my personal view. Just 1 opinion out of a billion. Only trying to help the guy.

AT2[/QUOTE]
I'm shocked. I have the same preference.
I would give Dada 9 (although pic is a bit small) and NamPheung 7 also.
I agree also that there definitely aren't any 1K girls of Dada quality in my experience.

I thought Asian guys and Farangs went for something completely different.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]PinkPearl,

Everyone has different views of what constitutes a stunner. Been to BKK often enough over 20 years, to know what's on the streets in BKK. That's just my opinion and I'm sorry if my personal view offends you. Please read Borat's posts, to which I was answering. He visited Soi Cowboy and Nana and nothing piqued his interest. Read between the lines and ask yourself if he is going to find what he is looking for in the 1, 000 baht range. I can find girls I like at Nana and Soi Cowboy. They do not need to be stunners, for me to have fun or to get my attention. Attractive will do. [/QUOTE]No offense at all, just wondering. I'd agree that there are different views of who is a stunning lady. And depending on how much of the male drug I have in my system, any female might look like either an angel or a dog. Apparently alcohol and other drugs can have a similar effect. As for Borat's inability to find a lady at NEP or Cowboy, I don't know what to say. Maybe try Moscow? Or Kazakhstan?

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]I'm sorry, but the girl who is willing to settle for 1, 000 baht is either very very very new or not in high demand. [/QUOTE]Well I know a hot lady who goes for that price per hour and provides good service and attitude. She is hard to get a hold of by cell. I'd assume by her looks that she'd get picked up off the street very quickly, and when I'm out cruising on foot she is seldom to be seen. Apparently she's been selling her pussy in BKK for several years. Out of 35-45 P4P ladies I've sampled in BKK she is probably the best value as well as being number one overall. Maybe she's one in a million. But I believe there are others I've met who, though not up to her level, still meet your criteria {of 1000 Baht, not very new, in high demand}.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]There are 10's of thousands of girls you can find for 1, 000 baht or less even now. I have seen enough of them and very few pique my interest. There's always exceptions, but I would not call anyone of them stunning. Just one guys point of view. I'm sure you have your reasons for feeling otherwise. [/QUOTE]I'd have to say that most TGs asking 1000 Baht do not particularly turn me on either.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Is the pic below, the Dada you speak of? If you can get girls like her for 1, 000 baht or less in BKK now, you are a better man than I. I have never seen it done in my presence. Sorry, I'm a show me kind of guy, so stories don't count for me. If you have done it, what I think should not matter to you. [/QUOTE]I don't think that is the Dada of the TG 2007 Maxim DVD. She has red hair and a different looking face. But I am confident 1000 Baht ladies of her calibre are available all over the streets of BKK, so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Afterall we are apparently both familiar with what's on the streets of BKK, you having visited "often enough over 20 years", and I having lived across the street from NEP for 7 of the past 8 months with nothing to do but shag girls 24/7.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]If the 2nd pic is the Nampeung you are talking about, then no, I do not consider her a stunner. Attractive, but not stunning, and you can find as good or possibly better in any of the Major Soapy's, Nana or Soi Cowboy and definitely at the Pent. Of course, it could be a bad pic and the Dada pic could be a great pic. But just based on the pics alone and not having seen them in person, I would give Dada a 9 and Nampeung a 7. I see a large gap in looks between the two. [/QUOTE]I think that is her, though her face looks much better on the DVD cover. Re your pics I'd give your Dada a 7, perhaps, because she has a face that I find quite attracive, and Nampeung a 6.5 for a smoking body. Though on the DVD jacket the latter gets at least a 7.5.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]But really, in the end, I was just answering Borat's question based on his comments and my personal view. Just 1 opinion out of a billion. Only trying to help the guy. [/QUOTE]Hopefully this discussion will help someone too. Thanks for the reply.

richo they can be had very easy. now oth is right about the places on rachada, but it is very hard for anybody to pickup girls there. thai’s usually travel in packs and infiltrating these packs is quite difficult even for thai’s.

the wolves need to get the lambs away from the packs. the source is the mp’s lined up on rachada. most of the sideliners there are attending universities. the job and the schedule are well suited to the uni girl plus she does not have to drink. they usually start about 7:30pm and it is 3 pops and they are out usually by 11:00 or 12:00 pm. so they can still go to bed and get up for school.

i doubt if there are any bar girls who can maintain their work and drinking schedule and go to a legit university.

now why would uni girls work as sideliners in mp’s? well many have the reason of peer pressure. there are a number of very rich hi-so girls attending university. while middle-class mom and pop may afford the tuition for their daughters to attend university, they cannot give her a budget to show-off the nice shoes and handbags to be part of the in-crowd. so you have the true fashion *****s. this concept is popular with japanese girls in japan as well.

these girls are a completely different breed than the normal bg’s in nep, soi cowboy, soi33. most the most part they are not looking for a relationship or way out of their life as most of them have a regular thai boyfriend back in the uni. usually someone acceptable to mom and pop meanwhile the boyfriend has a case of blue balls why she plays the façade of “good girl” meanwhile back in the mp she is bang the hell out of customers for some shopping money. so she is not making a living out of p4p, but get her shopping money there.

if you are looking for a relationship with a uni girl…

1. you need to live here.
2. you need to spend the time.

it is sort of like the episode on seinfeld where george gets into the secret model club. once you get one uni girl and word gets around that you are an ok farang you will be will have access to a lot more. the uni girls are quite competitive and love to fuck their friend’s boyfriends.

(sorry for the repost from other thread)

Hello All, I shall be in BKK from 19th to 22nd; then to good 'ol China and the mongering scene there. I'm looking forward to this trip, heard a lot, and am starting my RTFF now. Don't know where I'll be staying yet, but will post

I realize the mongering scenes are different, but anyone who has experience with Shenzhen/CP etc scene and also BKK scene can you give me a comparison? My feelings are mongering is more out in the open in BKK, and price is about the same. In SZ one can get LT for +/-500RMB which is about 2100THB

One thing I am looking forward to is the sauna scene, I figure this is better here and consequently pricey, the most expensive sauna I have been to in China is 600-700RMB; and expensive room service in China for about 1100RMB which would be 4800THB

So, I guess I could go for at least one 'A lister at a soapy. Would it be worth it?

I really am looking forward to the change in ethinicity though; Looking forward to getting out some frustrations from way back in college, where I was friends with this 'good' thai girl. She was the tightest, smallest, hottest asian I have ever seen.

AT2 - just a quick thanks for your super informative posts. I've now left BKK after an interesting newbie week. Here's the report from the last couple of days:

The clubs I was referring to at Patpong were the Kings 1-3 and King's Castle clubs. However there seem to be a few ladyboys in Kings 3. The rest there were definitely more jgirl types, and I still regret not pushing for the half mixed thai/french girl I saw a while back (when I initally posted here0. She was really a stunner but had a bit of attitude - wanted to hit a room within 2 minutes after I bought a drink and when I said I'd like to get to know her more she just walked off.. lol. Her loss I guess and don't think it would have panned out well with that bitchy attitude!

The penultimate of our adventures yesterday accumulated in a somewhat interesting taxi ride, all around town. The taxi driver was prob trying to mak a comission but we've smartened up and kind of had destinations in mind (thanks to you and Mick's guides here).

Saw Soi 33 which I agree, did have better lookers, compared to Soi 22 and elsewhere anyway. We didn't stay though, based on the cost advice here, and another trip to Cupidy, the girls this time seemed very average. Apparently on level 2 you can get some VIP girls if you have money to blow, but I think one is looking at 5000b upwards,but apparently they are true stunners. However I just wasn't intending to pay that much anyway. Some day :)

In the end, we ended up back at Nana. Most girls were pretty average in the bars, but we saw a couple of pretty nice looking girls standing at the entrance. But a couple were ladyboys! It's scary how they could look so good, until you talk to them and they answer in a fake woman voice. Man, that's scary stuff. Anyway in the end we ended up with a white skinned Thai for 1800b, which my mate and I both negotiated down to 1500. I opted for 2 pops for 2500. First pop was pretty amazing, in the sack she was pretty hot, but a bit fake. But then strange thoughts (questioning whether this is really a woman!) popped into my head in the 2nd round and I just lost it... in the end I felt I overpaid, after she asked for a tip of 500.

And yes, I started having doubts as to whether she was truly a lady. God, this is the problem I have with Thailand. Most of the tall skinny pretty pale girls seem to end up as pre-op ladyboys, but this one had no adam's apple (no visible surgical scar either), and had a pussy that didn't particularly look fake. And I've had a couple of stunning girls, one at Soi Cowboy, and this one at Nana, they all had tits and pussy but could they be post op??? She was pretty tall, long fingers, and slightly broad...and she was just so nice and accomodating, it really makes me wonder if a girl this stunning really is not a post surgical specimen! She denied it when we intiially ask, and our friends told us that they aren't there to trick us... but she was standing at the entrance to Nana where there were certainly a few ladyboys (but blatant ones - deep voice, probably pre-op).

Anyway I shall not dwell on this. In the end we did say there's a small chance but it's small. It certainly fucked with our heads! And on the next trip (given that I didn't catch any STDS on this trip!) I may just head straight for Phuket and Pattaya.

Good story, Borat , thanks.

I wouldn't dwell on the LB thoughts anymore. It is behind you, (no pun intended). There are some tall TGs in Cowboy, and they are 100% woman.
Nice to see you had a good time, and figured out the cabbie scams early.

I have been to Bangkok at least 6 times now and I never heard of the Khao San area ( I guess I can't keep out of the Nana area). It seems like there would be some sort of action there, but I don't see anything mentioned.

Are there any girls for hire in the Khao San Road area?
Any good clubs to try and pick-up freebies from Thai or Farang ladies?
What is a girl friendly hotel there?

Thanks

[QUOTE=FreebieFan]Well I'm normally more active in some other Asian country forums but had to post here after my recent activities.

As my name suggests, I inhabit the free world as opposed to the P4P world. Been to Bangkok many many many times and in every bar I've been able to find, and soapies too. I just prefer the notion of the chase and pretending that what I've found is possibly free.

Normal MO is to hunt them down on internet. And thanks to a new site, found a few. Or maybe they found me. I'm 50 but look ok. Thankfully.

Anyways. Did the chat. Sms. Even mms. Webcam thing and narrowed it down to a few.

There was a 38 yr old who was divorced a few years back. And has decided she needs to fly a bit before shes 40. States hed never had a farang.

There was a cute cute 23 year old. But wasnt sure she would show.

There was a very cute (webcam! ) 35 year old who was taking a bus trip to meet me and spend a day with me.

And another 23 year old who had no pics. (always a warning sign to me.) who was allocated a short time slot.

Please provide iaddress of web site

Thanks

jac

[QUOTE=Gagoo]I have been to Bangkok at least 6 times now and I never heard of the Khao San area ( I guess I can't keep out of the Nana area). It seems like there would be some sort of action there, but I don't see anything mentioned.

Are there any girls for hire in the Khao San Road area?

Any good clubs to try and pick-up freebies from Thai or Farang ladies?

What is a girl friendly hotel there?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Gagoo,

I been to Bangkok over 15 time and never been to Khao san rd what I heard it is just a back packer area with many cheap ass motel and bar, I don't think you and myself have miss anything for never been there.

Fast eddie 48

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I always find this question amusing. One likely couldn't pick up "genuine" uni girls in the States that easily. So, why would anyone think they could here?

One does occasionally sees a few Farang lurking around university campuses here and I've actually been approached a couple of times by them asking "how to talk to the girls" - I suppose they assume I'm one of them. This type of thing seems to be increasing lately. But, I wouldn't recommend it. Apart from the fact that campus security would probably go after you, it would be a pointless excercise at most unis. One of the few universities where students might be game, if you approached them is Ramkhamhaeng. But, you'd have to speak Thai and you'd have to NOT look like the typical geezer one sees trolling aroung the Nana area. Still, the more likely reaction would be nervous giggles followed by a hasty retreat. Average Thai girls are generally scared of Farang.

There are no webboards for students, unless you can write in Thai and even if you could, as a Farang, you'd be shut out quite quickly. It's very difficult to pick up a uni girl, at the best of times, especially if you are visiting, unless you are quite young and good looking. The best place to meet quality uni girls is in the Thai clubs around Ratchada soi 4-8 and the clubs in the Thonglor/Ekamai area. RCA might have some. But, it tends to only attract teenagers these days.

There are also lots of students of every description hanging around Siam Square. But, again I wouldn't recommend approaching them as they'd likely rebuff you and run away.

Unless you look like Orlando Bloom or Leonardo di Caprio, I'd say your chances are nil.[/QUOTE]What nonsense you write OTH.

As Thailand has progressed to become a "want want want" society, there has been a large turn of uni girls now looking for casual sex for fun and casual sex for money. I have had plenty, but in all honesty, the P4P girls are better as they give what you want with their experience. The Uni girls can, in the most and not always, be a little bit boring sexually if you are used to P4p.

Plenty of girls from middle class families like to do a turn for some extra cash, its not cheap mind you, you'll be paying 4000 plus (as they are not poor, but they like the extra money, so there is no discounting initially, although you'll get the freebies thrown in later if you keep on meeting them, "gig" kind of relationship.

Where to find them, the original BangkokChat.com was excellent for that, and I have loads of uni girls from there. Sadly, BangkokChat got made "sensible" and so its crap now. There used to be a thriving community on chat servers, but again, this has since downhill in recent years, I have not checked for some time now.

RCA is one place to find them in their civies. Another avenue to pursue is the naughty girls (the ones skipping school) and you'll often find them in the restaurants of MBK and Siam Square during school time, just pick a table opposite them, get some eye contact going, and you'll soon know if they are interested or not, and yes, I have been flashed with a few nice little pussy shots when they tease you by opening the legs a bit and letting you take a peak up that miniskirt. Do not make lurid suggestions or give lurid looks, until you have established they are interersted or not, they could be just a normal student in between lessons.

So its all there to be had, its just more time consuming than most people can be bothered to put into it, and so most people give up.

One downside of Uni girls I find is that they are not as clean in the pussy area as P4P girls. You will rarely find a P4P girl with a smelly pussy, or with dirty undies (as in some discharge). I have found a great number of Uni girls with a slight odour, and yes the old dirty panties syndrome. Now if you like that well all well and good, if not then it can be a little off putting if you are used to the "clean" look of P4P girls. You'll also notice that lots of the Uni girls will not insist on a condom, and will also not bother to wash their pussy if you just emptied you load in there. P4P girls will, in general, always wash whether condom or not.

Anyway, for those searching, good luck.

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More tosh OTH.

Do you mean as air travel becomes cheaper and cheaper, we will get more half baked tossers like yourself coming here and being teachers cause that is all they are fit for, cannot get a job in their own country, so come to Thailand and be a teacher, like most of the other backpacker tossers in Khao San who forget to go home.

Air travel is allowing the tosspots of the world to travel, not "its becoming more global".

Thailand 20 years ago was great, and that was when you were not here.

With regards to your suggestion that most of the luk-kreungs now are products of mis-aligned matches. Do you have some date to back this up ? Some facts ? Some figures ?

OR is this just again the OTH "Opinion" portrayed as "truth", where he will back down only later, when questioned, to say its his personal opinion.....

Got any facts to back up the statement ? Or is it just an opinon, where you forget to say its your opinon?

LOL

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]A little out of date PP. Any Luk-kreung who had a daddy in the military in Udon would be well on in her 30s at least, by now.

Most young luk-kreung one sees around these days are the products of mis-alliances between love-struck sex tourists and their rent-a-skank/wife.

As Thailand becomes (very, very slowly) more global and more accepting of outsiders, you'll see in about 20 years or so lots of luk-kreung from more normal Farang-Thai relationships.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gagoo]I have been to Bangkok at least 6 times now and I never heard of the Khao San area ( I guess I can't keep out of the Nana area). It seems like there would be some sort of action there, but I don't see anything mentioned.

Are there any girls for hire in the Khao San Road area?
Any good clubs to try and pick-up freebies from Thai or Farang ladies?
What is a girl friendly hotel there?

Thanks[/QUOTE]
From Nana, head west along Sukhumvit Road. After a while it becomes Ploenchit Road, then becomes Rama 1, then becomes Bamrung Mueang (Muang) Road after crossing a Khlong (Canal), after crossing the 2nd canal, 3rd main road on the right is Tanao road. turn into Tanao and head north about 700 m to major road Ratchadamnoen Klang. Cross it and a further 100m on left is Khao San road. There are many cheap Hotels here for Backpackers, hippies etc. The area is known as Banglamphoo.
Khao San (I think means "rice husks") Road is about 6km west of Nana Plaza and close to the Chaopraya river. It takes a long time to get there by taxi when the traffic is bad (and thats nearly all the time).

Don't know if much P4P action around. Certainly not much gogo bars. But Opebo looks for cheap girls on Sanam Luang (the royal field) park.
There are some Soapies accross the river.

If it was me, I would never dream of going to Banglamphoo for action, unless I was a spunky man and hoping to pick up some Farang girls.

[QUOTE=Gagoo]I have been to Bangkok at least 6 times now and I never heard of the Khao San area ( I guess I can't keep out of the Nana area). It seems like there would be some sort of action there, but I don't see anything mentioned.

Are there any girls for hire in the Khao San Road area?

Any good clubs to try and pick-up freebies from Thai or Farang ladies?

What is a girl friendly hotel there?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Do yourself a favor and stay away from Khao San Road. Khao san is like the scum of Bangkok. Opebo probably lives around there.

[QUOTE=Gagoo]I have been to Bangkok at least 6 times now and I never heard of the Khao San area ( I guess I can't keep out of the Nana area). [/QUOTE]

Went there last month as the girl I was with heard about it and wanted to go. It is a street full of the same products you see near nana, tattoo shops, many little cafe's or such, some hotels on the street, fake ID's and such all over the place, and full of backpackers, mostly college aged or such. Not one of them did anything for me, of course I like asians. It's more of foreign college type hang out.

There is a Gullivers at KS road and as far as I remember from almost 2 years ago, a handful of freelancers hanging out. In fact, if I really think back, Meaty and I had quite a funny story come out of there, the one time we did visit. It basically came to an end due to the lack of ST hotels available.

Sid

[QUOTE=SidTheSexist]There is a Gullivers at KS road and as far as I remember from almost 2 years ago, a handful of freelancers hanging out. In fact, if I really think back, Meaty and I had quite a funny story come out of there, the one time we did visit. It basically came to an end due to the lack of ST hotels available.

Sid[/QUOTE]


I guess it wouldn't hurt to take a look, or go on a night when I need a break.
I would get a room there, so I guess it would be a little far to bring a girl back to my room if I did find a girl.

[quote=easy2007]what nonsense you write oth.

as thailand has progressed to become a "want want want" society, there has been a large turn of uni girls now looking for casual sex for fun and casual sex for money. i have had plenty, but in all honesty, the p4p girls are better as they give what you want with their experience. the uni girls can, in the most and not always, be a little bit boring sexually if you are used to p4p.

plenty of girls from middle class families like to do a turn for some extra cash, its not cheap mind you, you'll be paying 4000 plus (as they are not poor, but they like the extra money, so there is no discounting initially, although you'll get the freebies thrown in later if you keep on meeting them, "gig" kind of relationship.

where to find them, the original bangkokchat.com was excellent for that, and i have loads of uni girls from there. sadly, bangkokchat got made "sensible" and so its crap now. there used to be a thriving community on chat servers, but again, this has since downhill in recent years, i have not checked for some time now.

rca is one place to find them in their civies. another avenue to pursue is the naughty girls (the ones skipping school) and you'll often find them in the restaurants of mbk and siam square during school time, just pick a table opposite them, get some eye contact going, and you'll soon know if they are interested or not, and yes, i have been flashed with a few nice little pussy shots when they tease you by opening the legs a bit and letting you take a peak up that miniskirt. do not make lurid suggestions or give lurid looks, until you have established they are interersted or not, they could be just a normal student in between lessons.

so its all there to be had, its just more time consuming than most people can be bothered to put into it, and so most people give up.

one downside of uni girls i find is that they are not as clean in the pussy area as p4p girls. you will rarely find a p4p girl with a smelly pussy, or with dirty undies (as in some discharge). i have found a great number of uni girls with a slight odour, and yes the old dirty panties syndrome. now if you like that well all well and good, if not then it can be a little off putting if you are used to the "clean" look of p4p girls. you'll also notice that lots of the uni girls will not insist on a condom, and will also not bother to wash their pussy if you just emptied you load in there. p4p girls will, in general, always wash whether condom or not.

anyway, for those searching, good luck.[quote]


absolute bullshit!!!! what crap you write, for gawd's sake. what the fuck does a farmboy from isaan know about bkk university girls? you've had "plenty". really? my, my, you must be a very 'hansum' man. i am around hundreds every day and even i haven't had "plenty". you must truly be an adonis, loaded to the tits with charm, money and connections.

btw, rca is full of **** teenagers with fake ids. is that your thing? because, you won't find too many uni girls there, anymore.

i especially like your idea of some farang sitting down opposite a group of students at mbk and siam square, (most of whom are likely from nearby chula on their lunch break). he wouldn't be given the time of day. these students aren't interested and certainly don't need your money. your average chula student could buy you ten times over with pocket change. they are from the families you love to hate - the dreaded military/power elite.


anyway, for those really interested in the truth about what universities have the most available girls, here goes:

1/ ramkhamhaeng u.
2/ u. of the thai chamber of commerce
3/ siam u.
4/ rajabhat u. suan dusit

if there are any uni girls available in soapies, or as escorts or freelancers, most would probably come from these or similar low level universities.

remember...there are university girls...and then there are university girls!

but, i reiterate, despite easy's assertion that you can scoop up plenty o' uni girls at mbk and the like, that it is extremely difficult to score with regular uni girls, without putting in a major effort. it is all about status here. unless you can specifically provide some status to the girl (outside a p4p scenario) she isn't likely to go with you, despite what some say here.

the post that started this discussion specifically concerned university girls who didn't work in p4p. that's what i addressed before and what i am addressing now.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]was offered a job at The Nation for a year, and decided to stay. That was 11 years ago.[/QUOTE]Okidok, I'll check with my friend there tomorrow too see who they employed 11 years ago.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]And...I know more about Thai university students and their accessibility than you'll ever know, which is why I am positive that what you have written is unmitigated nonsense and lies.[/QUOTE]Well, well. Thanks for your reply to me, but no need to bash each other - we have a common goal here, just different paths to go.

oth, 55555555 struck a raw nerve did we? was it the teacher/khao san thing?

i am not a farmboy from isaan, at all. i have merely in the past told you what a pompuus arrogant ignorant twat you are for looking down on isaan people. there can only be one reason for this, and that is either your jealousy of them, or you got done over by someone (a girl perhaps) from isaan some time ago.

if you have not been with any uni girls, you must be one ugly muther. they are pretty damn easy pray for a farang with money to burn who does not look like the hunchback. perhaps the fact your working for thai companies on thai salaries means they have little interest in such a "poor" farang.

you know the girls like money, and someone working for a thai company is not going to be very rich are they. lol

so at the end of the day, i have had plenty and you have had none.

quite simply says i know what i am talking about, and how to walk the walk here in thailand, cause i am an old thai hand, and you my dear friend are either a complete fake living in the us, a hunchback living in fantasy internet land, or some other kind of complete loser.

so sad, you claim to be so clever, yet you have not even worked out how to pull uni girls, and you are surrounded by them every day so you claim. now that is dumb.

[quote=old thai hand][quote=easy2007]what nonsense you write oth.

as thailand has progressed to become a "want want want" society, there has been a large turn of uni girls now looking for casual sex for fun and casual sex for money. i have had plenty, but in all honesty, the p4p girls are better as they give what you want with their experience. the uni girls can, in the most and not always, be a little bit boring sexually if you are used to p4p.

plenty of girls from middle class families like to do a turn for some extra cash, its not cheap mind you, you'll be paying 4000 plus (as they are not poor, but they like the extra money, so there is no discounting initially, although you'll get the freebies thrown in later if you keep on meeting them, "gig" kind of relationship.

where to find them, the original bangkokchat.com was excellent for that, and i have loads of uni girls from there. sadly, bangkokchat got made "sensible" and so its crap now. there used to be a thriving community on chat servers, but again, this has since downhill in recent years, i have not checked for some time now.

rca is one place to find them in their civies. another avenue to pursue is the naughty girls (the ones skipping school) and you'll often find them in the restaurants of mbk and siam square during school time, just pick a table opposite them, get some eye contact going, and you'll soon know if they are interested or not, and yes, i have been flashed with a few nice little pussy shots when they tease you by opening the legs a bit and letting you take a peak up that miniskirt. do not make lurid suggestions or give lurid looks, until you have established they are interersted or not, they could be just a normal student in between lessons.

so its all there to be had, its just more time consuming than most people can be bothered to put into it, and so most people give up.

one downside of uni girls i find is that they are not as clean in the pussy area as p4p girls. you will rarely find a p4p girl with a smelly pussy, or with dirty undies (as in some discharge). i have found a great number of uni girls with a slight odour, and yes the old dirty panties syndrome. now if you like that well all well and good, if not then it can be a little off putting if you are used to the "clean" look of p4p girls. you'll also notice that lots of the uni girls will not insist on a condom, and will also not bother to wash their pussy if you just emptied you load in there. p4p girls will, in general, always wash whether condom or not.

anyway, for those searching, good luck.[quote]


absolute bullshit!!!! what crap you write, for gawd's sake. what the fuck does a farmboy from isaan know about bkk university girls? you've had "plenty". really? my, my, you must be a very 'hansum' man. i have access to hundreds every day and even i haven't had "plenty". you must truly be an adonis, loaded to the tits with charm, money and connections.

btw, rca is full of **** teenagers with fake ids. is that your thing? you won't find too many uni girls there, anymore.

i especially like your idea of some farang sitting down opposite a group of students at mbk and siam square, (most of whom are likely from nearby chula on their lunch break). he wouldn't be given the time of day. these students aren't interested and certainly don't need your money. your average chula student could buy you ten times over with pocket change.


with regards to your comments about me coming here to be a teacher because i couldn't get a job in my home country...is that an assumption, or accusation? i'm not sure. lol :d

well, not that it matters, or anyone is really interested, but to set the record straight: i was actually a professor in my home country, who came here on sabbatical, was offered a job at the nation for a year, and decided to stay. that was 11 years ago. i have been offered jobs back home and sometimes (like now) consider returning. but, i like it here. so, i choose to stay. i am not some khao san road backpacker english teacher, but a senior lecturer in a respected field at a top university.

and...i know more about thai university students and their accessibility than you'll ever know, which is why i am positive that what you have written is unmitigated nonsense and lies.

we should, as sid suggested in the politics forum take this to the fight club. nobody wants to read the senile ramblings of some blithering idiot who's been here since rama v was a pup, or the endless waffling of some pompous university prof (at least i admit my failings :) ).[/quote]

[quote=old thai hand]absolute bullshit!!!! what crap you write, for gawd's sake. what the fuck does a farmboy from isaan know about bkk university girls? you've had "plenty". really? my, my, you must be a very 'hansum' man. i have access to hundreds every day and even i haven't had "plenty". you must truly be an adonis, loaded to the tits with charm, money and connections.

btw, rca is full of **** teenagers with fake ids. is that your thing? you won't find too many uni girls there, anymore.[/quote]well, i have had a few girls from mbk myself but the word student was never mentionned, i think i got on with honest working ladies.

also, i would like to bring up the fact that a few freelancers purposefully dress with students uniform to attract farangs. they know a lot of men out there like the idea, so they increase their chances. fishing for customers is difficult so they need the best possible bait.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand][QUOTE=Easy2007]...
For those really interested in the truth about what universities have the most available girls, here goes:
...
[/QUOTE]LOL,

For all those who are interested in girls with an university degree - some of the girls in Livingstone's Sports Lounge have one. They then started to work in offices, and after a time the returned to the naughty night-life scene, for various reasons.

We sometimes try to offer them office jobs, front desk job etc. . They look at us, smile - and shake their heads :).


Giotto

[QUOTE=SidTheSexist]There is a Gullivers at KS road and as far as I remember from almost 2 years ago, a handful of freelancers hanging out. In fact, if I really think back, Meaty and I had quite a funny story come out of there, the one time we did visit. It basically came to an end due to the lack of ST hotels available.

Sid[/QUOTE]
Well there are short time Hotels if you know where.
Maybe not in Khao San road but not too far away.
The demand by Thais for ST Hotels is high.

I remember some friends of mine (not into P4P) stayed at a ST Hotel at the back of the Rattanakosin (Royal Hotel) (before the previous coup when all those people got stomped on the Hotel lobby or something like that).

[QUOTE=Easy2007]
One downside of Uni girls I find is that they are not as clean in the pussy area as P4P girls. You will rarely find a P4P girl with a smelly pussy, or with dirty undies (as in some discharge). I have found a great number of Uni girls with a slight odour, and yes the old dirty panties syndrome. Now if you like that well all well and good, if not then it can be a little off putting if you are used to the "clean" look of P4P girls. You'll also notice that lots of the Uni girls will not insist on a condom, and will also not bother to wash their pussy if you just emptied you load in there. P4P girls will, in general, always wash whether condom or not.
[/QUOTE]
Its very difficult to believe that Real Thai Uni girls, in general, don't clean their pussies.
If they were Chinese (maybe Chinese-Thai), I could believe it a little more.

My non-P4P Thai girlfriends have both been absolutely fastidious and were not even educated to Uni level.

Panty stains is a different thing altogether and not terribly unusual after a long day.
P4P bar girls probably haven't had their panties on long enough to get stained greatly. Mostly wearing bar outfits or nothing much.

Thais seem more cleanliness conscious than westerners and are unsurpassed by any other Nationality in my experience.

Smelly pussies can be a sign of the clap. :D

Suckered for a suck

I was planning on going to SOL for a nice (or 2) BJ, walking towards heaven when all of a sudden a girl came running down from the Stairs and grabbed my arm. She smiled at me and started her Sales Pitch “You want Blowjob Hansum? Me the best, me Superstar, best Blowjob here, take long time very good, only 700 thb”, she wasn’t so bad looking so I asked her where she was coming From, she pointed in the Direction of Linda/Kob Bar (Another BJ Bar) and having heard of it but never actually experienced it, I decided to try it out. I know what most of you are thinking, why settle for a food Stall when a great restaurant stands right on the corner? Well, I am curious and like to research.

As we go inside the Bar, all the other girls are sleeping on the couches and barely acknowledge that a customer walked in. The Girl leads me to a dingy side room with a crappy bed and no lights (can’t see a thing in there).

She got totally naked and so did I, she went right away for the suck and pumped ferociously until I pulled out. I needed to get a little more comfortable on the bed as this looked as it was going to take a while. She wasted no time and asked me if I wanted “Make Love”? but I refused. This place obviously looks like it has no shower and the girl most probably wasn’t the Cleanest. I was really beginning to regret having been suckered into Kob’s bar, the seediness of the place and the reminder that the girl might be a little dirty was enough to put me off. I got up and told the girl I couldn’t finish and she looked surprised but said nothing. I left the place quickly, giving her a 200thb tip which I know is too much but she tried her best and I am sure she does not have many customers.

Headed straight to SOL, Miss Tuk was not there but I chose a young Spinner who took really good care of me, twice.

I don’t remember her name but she had a nice set of breasts and a delightful pussy, we spent a long time in the Toilet area and it seemed to be no problem as the only people that came in were the girls offering their services. The second shot was very slow to come and I needed the Help of 2 more ladies, Imagine 4 people going at it in that tiny Area LOL.

I paid 2,800 for the Blowjobs (4 mouths in Total) and tipped the helpers 200 + 500 for the spinner. Total cost of my Patpong Experience: 4,600 thb. I know that will cause the Cheapos out there to come out of their Skin but I’m not an English Teacher and I have more cash than I can spend so from time to time an expensive outing does not hurt, it’s all about the Fun.

SOL really gets me 100% Satisfied everytime.

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[QUOTE=Easy2007]Plenty of girls from middle class families like to do a turn for some extra cash, its not cheap mind you, you'll be paying 4000 plus (as they are not poor, but they like the extra money, so there is no discounting initially, although you'll get the freebies thrown in later if you keep on meeting them, "gig" kind of relationship.[/QUOTE]
Is this one of those cases? I am no expert on Thai culture. As a matter of fact I really don't know a damned thing. But before my last trip in August I met a chick online. Turns out she wasn't even in Thailand, she was in Italy. But she said she was looking for a boyfriend for a friend in BKK. My lucky day. I chat with the friend a week or two before arriving. As soon as I check into the hotel I call her and she comes over. Fly thing. She takes me out to that club at the Ambassador Hotel. She has this big heavy ass purse and she tells me it is because there is a pair of shoes inside. So the club is closing and she says that she is going home and I can go back to the hotel. I tell her why doesn't she come to the hotel with me. It didn't take much convincing.

We get back to the room and she goes in the bathroom and pulls out all kinds of beauty products from A to Z and sets up shop around the sink. So evidently she had planned to stay all along. We fuck fuck fuck and she spends the night. The next day me, her, and my wingman went to her apartment/room, which was in a pretty nice building. We pick up one of her friends along the way. I didn't pay the new laptop any mind. Hell, everyone has computers these days. But the oddest thing is that she had two sets of golf clubs. Not saying that she can't play golf, but I have gone out with you know how many women and have yet to see but maybe 1 with 1 set of clubs...but this hairdresser chick has 2? Red flags. I think we went to MBK after that. The rest of the time with her is really a blur. I do remember her telling me that she has a daughter and strongly appologizing because she did not let me know before. (I really can't see what difference it would have made or why she thought that I would be mad at her about it.) Then during our time together she got mad at me about something. I really don't remember what it was.

I go to Pattaya and come back. I give her a call the day I am going to leave Thailand and she is at work. She says that she can come see me if I pay her to leave work. Huh? Pay you to leave work? I think you need to keep right on working then miss. I talk to her a few more times after I got back. She goes on about how I don't know how to take care of a woman and how lonely she is and wants a boyfriend. A few months goes by and I haven't spoken to her. But since I'm about to return to BKK next month I decided to speak (on MSN messenger).

She said that she just got back from teaching her staff all around Asia (Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam) so she is tired...(Whatever teaching her staff might entail). I ask about her boyfriend and she says they are on the fritz. She said that a friend of hers has a boyfriend who does "more good work than her boyfriend." Then she tells me that last time when I was in BKK and she came to see me she was having problems with her boyfriend. That is why she came to see me. So I just called her on the phone and she tells me that I do not take good care of a woman. She says there will be no more free sex and if I want to see her then I will have to pay her because she has a boyfriend. ( I never asked the nationality of said boyfriend. I could not tell from the photo she showed me, but she said they are having problems because he lives far away. So I doubt he is Thai.) She said if I do not want to give her money then there are many many women in Thailand who I can have for 5000 baht. I am thinking to myself 5000 baht? I rarely give over 500! I told her that I was about to leave the house and maybe we will talk later (maybe as in when there is a cold day in hell.)

I came right to ISG and saw Easy's post with close to the same figure that she was throwing around. When I was with this chick in BKK I figured she was a non-pro. We never discussed money except for when she talked about paying her to leave work. So I am wondering is this one of those types of deals that Easy was talking about? Or what else could it be?

Mr. E

I can see OTH jumping at this post LOL. My 2 cents... In Thailand it is expected that you pay - good girls or not. I see some posts here where guys shag 'good girls' and get a free run. Well, so they think. Fact is the girl was to shy to ask.

In Thailand everybody pays one way or another. Money first, love later.

JB

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Is this one of those cases...[/QUOTE]

Ok, I was looking for the website to Smile-teen but that led me to a website called "G-Diary" which listed a chunk of other massage places as well as KTV and stuff. I followed a pic of a cute girl to one of the shop listing which is called "Chip In". Need help translating please and I will add a review report after I try it out when I arrive in a few days.

So far: I have learned that it called "The Chip In Club" and it replaced the "La Vogue Club" and they do karaoke but I wanna do one of the girls I saw in the pics.

[url]www.gdiary.com/ShopDetails.cfm?ShopID=426[/url]

Need to know what's available on the menu. (i.e. can i hammer the chicks and how much)

June 2007 trip to BKK

President Solitaire Hotel in Sukhumvit Soi 11, one bed suite, very nice, good discrete staff. Close to bars etc and Nana skytrain.

Monday night, Magic at Ambassador was dead. Went for a drink at Hilary Bar on Soi 11. Talked to several girls and played pool, nice but young and limited English. Met Fon, slightly older girl who teaches English in the mornings and works as Mamasan's assistant. Played pool and talked. I asked her for short time or long time and she initially refused saying she did not go out. After talking, agreed to LT but she wanted 4000 baht and BF 500 baht. Too rich for me. After negotiation we agreed 3000 baht total and she took care of BF. This was a lot for me but she was very nice and had great lips and a nice body. As we left the other girls were surprised she was going out then waved at her.

Entered hotel from car park at rear, slight hassle with ID but staff OK with 200 baht "tip". We washed, and then had full on GFE style sex for about 3 hours including BBBJ to finish. She needed some BJ pointers initially but was then fantastic - some say Thai girls aren't good at this. Fon has a fantastic body (better than I had thought in the bar), works out 4 times per week at the gym, 168cm tall, about 50kg. She liked it on top especially but also from behind - I am a big guy so that may have impacted this. She is very athletic and responsive. Condom for all fucking, which was OK for me, maybe not for some others. We woke about 10am next day and after talking for a while had even better sex for about an hour and a half. We had another sleep for several hours then went to eat something and she left around 4pm. I was wrecked and just made my business dinner.

She called that night but I had business that went late and left following day. I will see her next time. While expensive, for me was more than worth it and for her I would pay that again. Hilary Bar had a very good selection, compared to elsewhere, most girls there do not smoke which is important for me. All girls quote at least 2000 B for ST and 3000 B for LT plus BF, which was more than quoted on ISG.

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Mr E, yes, possibly was.

Lots of the middle class (and some of the Hi-So Class) girls noways love to P4P, its easy money for them, and nowadays the younger generation do not give a flying fig about virginity or keeping frigid.

They all want new cosmetics, phones, shoes etc. All the time, like Mrs Marcos, a girl can never have enough shoes.

They could fuck with their Thai boyfriend, but thats become boring, so they go for the thrill ride. Why not fuck a farang, get 4K or 5K Baht, enjoy the fuck as its a thrill fucking a new guy you'll likely never see again, and so it happens over and over again.

Now while Mr OTH likely masturbates thinking of the Uni Girls surrounding him, obviously he is unable to get "some of the action".

Its all out there, I mean, no Thai Hi-So man would ever be without a good Mia Noi and some Gigs. And the odd Gak.

And his wife is obviously getting serviced by some young P4P boys from time to time.

Its endemic in Thai society to P4P.

Mick,

Believe me, the Uni girls recent years are not that clean as far as I have found. Many will bareback without a care in the world, and I do too :) but me I take care, always have a good nose around and if its smells, Mr Condom is used.

Thai's are very clean, especially P4P girls, and those ex-P4P girls.

However, a definite trend I have found is the Uni girls are not so pussy cleanliness conscious as the P4P girls.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Its very difficult to believe that Real Thai Uni girls, in general, don't clean their pussies.

If they were Chinese (maybe Chinese-Thai), I could believe it a little more.

My non-P4P Thai girlfriends have both been absolutely fastidious and were not even educated to Uni level.

Panty stains is a different thing altogether and not terribly unusual after a long day.
P4P bar girls probably haven't had their panties on long enough to get stained greatly. Mostly wearing bar outfits or nothing much.

Thais seem more cleanliness conscious than westerners and are unsurpassed by any other Nationality in my experience.

Smelly pussies can be a sign of the clap. :D[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]...

In Thailand everybody pays one way or another. Money first, love later.
[/QUOTE]This has been my experience with every type of woman that I've met and bedded in Thailand (from gTg to p4p). But, they're a lot easier and less expensive to keep happy than women in America.

Thank Buddha, a lot less!

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Its very difficult to believe that Real Thai Uni girls, in general, don't clean their pussies.
If they were Chinese (maybe Chinese-Thai), I could believe it a little more.

My non-P4P Thai girlfriends have both been absolutely fastidious and were not even educated to Uni level.

Panty stains is a different thing altogether and not terribly unusual after a long day.
P4P bar girls probably haven't had their panties on long enough to get stained greatly. Mostly wearing bar outfits or nothing much.

Thais seem more cleanliness conscious than westerners and are unsurpassed by any other Nationality in my experience.

Smelly pussies can be a sign of the clap. :D[/QUOTE]

Easy07 is full of shit and doesn't know what he's talking about, plain and simple. He's probably spending too much time with his Isaan buffalo to know much about the hygiene of Thai women.

[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Mr. E

I can see OTH jumping at this post LOL. My 2 cents... In Thailand it is expected that you pay - good girls or not. I see some posts here where guys shag 'good girls' and get a free run. Well, so they think. Fact is the girl was to shy to ask.

In Thailand everybody pays one way or another. Money first, love later.

JB[/QUOTE]

I'm not going to jump on this post. At the end of the day one pays one way or the other for all women. It just depends on how you interpret what that means and how it manifests itself - cash or something else.

[QUOTE=Easy2007]Mr E, yes, possibly was.

Lots of the middle class (and some of the Hi-So Class) girls noways love to P4P, its easy money for them, and nowadays the younger generation do not give a flying fig about virginity or keeping frigid.

They all want new cosmetics, phones, shoes etc. All the time, like Mrs Marcos, a girl can never have enough shoes.

They could fuck with their Thai boyfriend, but thats become boring, so they go for the thrill ride. Why not fuck a farang, get 4K or 5K Baht, enjoy the fuck as its a thrill fucking a new guy you'll likely never see again, and so it happens over and over again.

Now while Mr OTH likely masturbates thinking of the Uni Girls surrounding him, obviously he is unable to get "some of the action".

Its all out there, I mean, no Thai Hi-So man would ever be without a good Mia Noi and some Gigs. And the odd Gak.

And his wife is obviously getting serviced by some young P4P boys from time to time.

Its endemic in Thai society to P4P.[/QUOTE]

Easy!!!

You don't know anything about uni students or HiSo Thais, stuck as you are up in your Isaan hovel dreaming of your next big shopping trip to the big city with your farmer family. I think I saw you the other day: Were you that stooped-over tired Farang with the passle of luk-kreung rug rats, the little LBFM wife, her mother in sarong and father in Ma hom gawking at all the wonders of modern civilization on offer at Paragon?

You are the classic Isaan 'bugsider'.

Here's a pic for you to fantasize about up there in the backwoods.

I am learning all these new words..........
I know "gig", but I don't know "gak".
Also I have no clue what is a "bugsider".

Explanation please?

[QUOTE=1Ball]I am learning all these new words..........
I know "gig", but I don't know "gak".
Also I have no clue what is a "bugsider".

Explanation please?[/QUOTE]

'Bugsider' is Isaan for simpleton or more specifically, village idiot.

Thanks OTH, I am going to try to include that word into my every day vocabulary, though there are others on this site who should have that nickname........

So now, what is a "gak"?

[QUOTE=1Ball]Thanks OTH, I am going to try to include that word into my every day vocabulary, though there are others on this site who should have that nickname........

So now, what is a "gak"?[/QUOTE]LOL!


Giotto

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I believe that Easy is some addle-brained old fart.[/QUOTE]I wonder who is the old fart here. My bet to the PROFESSOR from the US coming here in 1997? You are ONE funny old git!

we are all worried but soon we will have some answers, sorry for the long post:

clarity sought on electronics searches
u.s. agents seize travelers' devices

by ellen nakashima
washington post staff writer
thursday, february 7, 2008; a01



nabila mango, a therapist and a u.s. citizen who has lived in the country since 1965, had just flown in from jordan last december when, she said, she was detained at customs and her cellphone was taken from her purse. her daughter, waiting outside san francisco international airport, tried repeatedly to call her during the hour and a half she was questioned. but after her phone was returned, mango saw that records of her daughter's calls had been erased.

a few months earlier in the same airport, a tech engineer returning from a business trip to london objected when a federal agent asked him to type his password into his laptop computer. "this laptop doesn't belong to me," he remembers protesting. "it belongs to my company." eventually, he agreed to log on and stood by as the officer copied the web sites he had visited, said the engineer, a u.s. citizen who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of calling attention to himself.

maria udy, a marketing executive with a global travel management firm in bethesda, said her company laptop was seized by a federal agent as she was flying from dulles international airport to london in december 2006. udy, a british citizen, said the agent told her he had "a security concern" with her. "i was basically given the option of handing over my laptop or not getting on that flight," she said.

the seizure of electronics at u.s. borders has prompted protests from travelers who say they now weigh the risk of traveling with sensitive or personal information on their laptops, cameras or cellphones. in some cases, companies have altered their policies to require employees to safeguard corporate secrets by clearing laptop hard drives before international travel.

today, the electronic frontier foundation and asian law caucus, two civil liberties groups in san francisco, plan to file a lawsuit to force the government to disclose its policies on border searches, including which rules govern the seizing and copying of the contents of electronic devices. they also want to know the boundaries for asking travelers about their political views, religious practices and other activities potentially protected by the first amendment. the question of whether border agents have a right to search electronic devices at all without suspicion of a crime is already under review in the federal courts.

the lawsuit was inspired by two dozen cases, 15 of which involved searches of cellphones, laptops, mp3 players and other electronics. almost all involved travelers of muslim, middle eastern or south asian background, many of whom, including mango and the tech engineer, said they are concerned they were singled out because of racial or religious profiling.

a u.s. customs and border protection spokeswoman, lynn hollinger, said officers do not engage in racial profiling "in any way, shape or form." she said that "it is not cbp's intent to subject travelers to unwarranted scrutiny" and that a laptop may be seized if it contains information possibly tied to terrorism, narcotics smuggling, child pornography or other criminal activity.

the reason for a search is not always made clear. the association of corporate travel executives, which represents 2,500 business executives in the united states and abroad, said it has tracked complaints from several members, including udy, whose laptops have been seized and their contents copied before usually being returned days later, said susan gurley, executive director of acte. gurley said none of the travelers who have complained to the acte raised concerns about racial or ethnic profiling. gurley said none of the travelers were charged with a crime.

"i was assured that my laptop would be given back to me in 10 or 15 days," said udy, who continues to fly into and out of the united states. she said the federal agent copied her log-on and password, and asked her to show him a recent document and how she gains access to microsoft word. she was asked to pull up her e-mail but could not because of lack of internet access. with acte's help, she pressed for relief. more than a year later, udy has received neither her laptop nor an explanation.

acte last year filed a freedom of information act request to press the government for information on what happens to data seized from laptops and other electronic devices. "is it destroyed right then and there if the person is in fact just a regular business traveler?" gurley asked. "people are quite concerned. they don't want proprietary business information floating, not knowing where it has landed or where it is going. it increases the anxiety level."

udy has changed all her work passwords and no longer banks online. her company, radius, has tightened its data policies so that traveling employees must access company information remotely via an encrypted channel, and their laptops must contain no company information.

at least two major global corporations, one american and one dutch, have told their executives not to carry confidential business material on laptops on overseas trips, gurley said. in canada, one law firm has instructed its lawyers to travel to the united states with "blank laptops" whose hard drives contain no data. "we just access our information through the internet," said lou brzezinski, a partner at blaney mcmurtry, a major toronto law firm. that approach also holds risks, but "those are hacking risks as opposed to search risks," he said.

the u.s. government has argued in a pending court case that its authority to protect the country's border extends to looking at information stored in electronic devices such as laptops without any suspicion of a crime. in border searches, it regards a laptop the same as a suitcase.

"it should not matter . . . whether documents and pictures are kept in 'hard copy' form in an executive's briefcase or stored digitally in a computer. the authority of customs officials to search the former should extend equally to searches of the latter," the government argued in the child pornography case being heard by a three-judge panel of the court of appeals for the 9th circuit in san francisco.

as more and more people travel with laptops, blackberrys and cellphones, the government's laptop-equals-suitcase position is raising red flags.

"it's one thing to say it's reasonable for government agents to open your luggage," said david d. cole, a law professor at georgetown university. "it's another thing to say it's reasonable for them to read your mind and everything you have thought over the last year. what a laptop records is as personal as a diary but much more extensive. it records every web site you have searched. every e-mail you have sent. it's as if you're crossing the border with your home in your suitcase."

if the government's position on searches of electronic files is upheld, new risks will confront anyone who crosses the border with a laptop or other device, said mark rasch, a technology security expert with fti consulting and a former federal prosecutor. "your kid can be arrested because they can't prove the songs they downloaded to their ipod were legally downloaded," he said. "lawyers run the risk of exposing sensitive information about their client. trade secrets can be exposed to customs agents with no limit on what they can do with it. journalists can expose sources, all because they have the audacity to cross an invisible line."

hollinger said customs officers "are trained to protect confidential information."

shirin sinnar, a staff attorney with the asian law caucus, said that by scrutinizing the web sites people search and the phone numbers they've stored on their cellphones, "the government is going well beyond its traditional role of looking for contraband and really is looking into the content of people's thoughts and ideas and their lawful political activities."

if conducted inside the country, such searches would require a warrant and probable cause, legal experts said.

customs sometimes singles out passengers for extensive questioning and searches based on "information from various systems and specific techniques for selecting passengers," including the interagency border inspection system, according to a statement on the cbp web site. "cbp officers may, unfortunately, inconvenience law-abiding citizens in order to detect those involved in illicit activities," the statement said. but the factors agents use to single out passengers are not transparent, and travelers generally have little access to the data to see whether there are errors.

although customs said it does not profile by race or ethnicity, an officers' training guide states that "it is permissible and indeed advisable to consider an individual's connections to countries that are associated with significant terrorist activity."

"what's the difference between that and targeting people because they are arab or muslim?" cole said, noting that the countries the government focuses on are generally predominantly arab or muslim.

it is the lack of clarity about the rules that has confounded travelers and raised concerns from groups such as the asian law caucus, which said that as a result, their lawyers cannot fully advise people how they may exercise their rights during a border search. the lawsuit says a freedom of information act request was filed with customs last fall but that no information has been received.

kamran habib, a software engineer with cisco systems, has had his laptop and cellphone searched three times in the past year. once, in san francisco, an officer "went through every number and text message on my cellphone and took out my sim card in the back," said habib, a permanent u.s. resident. "so now, every time i travel, i basically clean out my phone. it's better for me to keep my colleagues and friends safe than to get them on the list as well."

udy's company, radius, organizes business trips for 100,000 travelers a day, from companies around the world. she says her firm supports strong security measures. "where we get angry is when we don't know what they're for."

staff researcher richard drezen contributed to this report.

Interesting article DownTowner.

The funny thing is, they will tell you they do this to "protect our freedom".

I have had my laptop searched at SFO, camera, USB stick, the works, it is not fun. It is also humiliating. When I asked what he was looking for, the asshole agent told me to be quiet, and he had to right to search anything he wanted.

There was nothing compromising to be found, however, I missed my flight connection.

[QUOTE=DownTowner]We are all worried but soon we will have some answers, sorry for the long post:[/QUOTE]BORING and irrelevant post. Why Post this in the Bangkok Thread?

A waste of space I say.

[QUOTE=Easy2007]Lots of the middle class (and some of the Hi-So Class) girls noways love to P4P, its easy money for them, and nowadays the younger generation do not give a flying fig about virginity or keeping frigid.[/QUOTE]This statement clearly proves you know very little (if anything) about Thai Hi-so. I am constantly around Hi-so people (a lot of young ones) and trust me, they don't need any money. P4P? who are you kidding? 5000 thb is nothing to them, I am sure they couldn't even buy lipstick with that.

You should try and go to some Hi-So parties, watch the Cars they arrive in, look at the dresses and diamonds they wear.

I have been offered sex with some cute Hi-So girls (they always send their friends do the talking) but I always refused because I am too scared of whoever daddy might be. She could do that to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] him off, and I could end up having my permit & Visa cancelled. It's not worth it.

A Customs agent in Washington, DC took my notebook computer from me when I returned from a solo trip to Europe(I flew back from Amsterdam) in October of 2006.

I was given no explaination as I "sweated it out" for about an hour and a half until it was returned to me. I was humiliated beyond belief by this episode and I want to avoid it happening again, if I am able to!

I am a licensed insurance professional, over fifty-five(55) years old, native-born American and my ethnic orgin is strictly European so I asked myself "why me? As far as I am concerned the only flag I could possibly send up was that I was single and I was returning from Amsterdam(concerned with drugs?).

I use my notebook purely for recreational purposes(for the Internet) since I am semi-retired but I do look frequently at adult websites.

Since this has happened I am paranoid beyond belief and plan to re-format my drive before I enter the US in the future. Since I keep nothing "on disk"
this will not present a problem for me but I would rather not to go through the bother if I don't have to.

Questions: Is my hobby of enjoying adult sites against the law and will re-
formatting my hard drive erase my website "visit trail" under normal
Customs examination?

Not that I would but curious if returning to the US with adult DVDs
is violating Custom rules?

Thanks in advance for any advise/information my fellow mongers may give me!

[QUOTE=Richo Stevens]I wonder who is the old fart here. My bet to the PROFESSOR from the US coming here in 1997? You are ONE funny old git![/QUOTE]

I've edited the post in which I used the term "old fart"...

But, anyway, I'm not American, (gawd forbid!) only moderately old and could never be described as an old fart...an arrogant, pompous, opinionated, annoying, know-it-all....sure....but never an old fart. My lovely GF, not to mention my students keep me a perpetual teenager. :D

[QUOTE=Hollow Man]I have learned that it called "The Chip In Club" and it replaced the "La Vogue Club" and they do karaoke but I wanna do one of the girls I saw in the pics.

[url]www.gdiary.com/ShopDetails.cfm?ShopID=426[/url]

Need to know what's available on the menu. (i.e. can i hammer the chicks and how much)[/QUOTE]My Japanese is rusty but the web page is skimpy on details. Plus no visitor has left any comments. The menu prices are for the room, booze, lady drinks, snacks, table charge, etc. But nothing for special services (as expected). The only encouraging tidbit is that it states that the girls are available for "dates" outside the premises. Based on that euphemism, I reckon you could negotiate a ST/LT fee with a girl and then head off afterwards.

Keep in mind, some of these Japanese-oriented lounges may not welcome farang customers. And although this place has laid out prices upfront, the bill at the end of an evening could set you back more than you expected, especially if the sole purpose for the visit was to simply pull one particular girl. In that case, you might be better off to visit a soap/oil MP. Still, if you like this type of venue (for the hostess treatment and the types of girls available), I'm sure you'll have a blast too.

[QUOTE=Hollow Man]I have learned that it called "The Chip In Club" and it replaced the "La Vogue Club" and they do karaoke but I wanna do one of the girls I saw in the pics.

[url]www.gdiary.com/ShopDetails.cfm?ShopID=426[/url]

Need to know what's available on the menu. (i.e. can i hammer the chicks and how much)[/QUOTE]My Japanese is rusty but the web page is skimpy on details. Plus no visitor has left any comments. The menu prices are for the room, booze, lady drinks, snacks, table charge, etc. But nothing for special services (as expected). The only encouraging tidbit is that it states that the girls are available for "dates" outside the premises. Based on that euphemism, I reckon you could negotiate a ST/LT fee with a girl and then head off afterwards.

Keep in mind, some of these Japanese-oriented lounges may not welcome farang customers. And although this place has laid out prices upfront, the bill at the end of an evening could set you back more than you expected, especially if the sole purpose for the visit was to simply pull one particular girl. In that case, you might be better off to visit a soap/oil MP. Still, if you like this type of venue (for the hostess treatment and the types of girls available), I'm sure you'll have a blast too.

Oh dear, OTH is getting grumpy. Sadly for him, people like me know a a hell of lot more about Muang Thai that he ever will. It frustrates the arse off of him

OTH has a girlfriend?

Given his abuse of all mongers walking round with pretty little girls on their arm, and his constant use of ISG, but never offering advice on girls. I am now coming to the stage of pitying him.

You see it often in Thailand, you'll see some dork looking farang, teacher more than likely, in shirt, tie and trousers on weekend, sweating profusely, carrying shopping bags and accompanied by a grotesque looking Thai girl. The one where you feel like walking over to them and giving them a 1000 Baht and saying "you can buy a better one than that".

Well well well, poor old OTH does not know what a "Gak" is. Lots of farang do not, its more a Thai thing.

I will let OTH go off now and ask his students (plenty of which are likely Gigs and Gaks). And then OTH can come back and post as the authority of all things Thai again. LOL

[QUOTE=1Ball]Thanks OTH, I am going to try to include that word into my every day vocabulary, though there are others on this site who should have that nickname........

So now, what is a "gak"?[/QUOTE]

oth, after reading a couple of your posts elsewhere, it does seem my guess was right. you hate isaan people because you got done over by a couple of isaan girls? is that right?

our initial spat i did say that your hate of things isaan can only be due to jealousy of them, or you have (cause you are so ignorant and arrogant and think you are better than anyone else, the ideal target to get done over by a nifty clever little brown girl) got done over by an isaan girl or two.

so after getting done over by the little brown girls you opted for the safest route, find a really grotesque looking girl who would be happy to be the gf of the hunchback, cause she will cause you no harm, no grief, and always be there.

you are now filled with rage and jealousy of the farangs you see around town, with pretty lbfm's on their arm. you hate them, you despise them, cause you cannot do what they do.

i now understand why you are the way you are, why you try to portray yourself as you do, and why, ultimately, i now feel sorry for you, and feel pity for you.

maybe i will invite you to the pegasus club with me sometime for a beer. maybe not.

i think we can deduce you got done over by the posts below :

[quote=old thai hand]having played the online game for about 5 years now, i would strongly recommend caution when dealing with any of these girls.

first and foremost, don't ever let them know where your condo is - take them to a hotel, or go to their place. get another phone, separate from your usual phone and use this when communicating with any of them. they may say that they understand that you aren't looking for anything serious. but, trust me, none of them actually buy into this and will get very attached, very fast and will turn psycho, if they think you have someone else.

i've been stalked, threatened with a false pregnancy a few times, threatened with a charge of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and police coming to my condo with the "victim", huge tantrums and crying jags in public, not to mention two incidents of physical assault (not serious, in that neither could punch very hard). but, the punching in one case attracted a group of angry motorcycle taxi guys who just assumed the worst about "the farang" and were ready to beat the crap out of me, until i managed to hop in a taxi and escape.

have fun. but, be careful. .[/quote]


[quote=old thai hand]that should read, " 'better' class of woman that i normally associate with ". :d however, there are some of those online, too. i was just referring to the worst case scenario of my experiences which represents less than 10% of the 70 or so women i have met online. afterall, as i've stated before, i met both my gf and gig online and the two of them are true gems. so, one can meet quality girls online. but, it takes some major searching through the drek to find them. i wasn't looking for a gf. but, i luckily found one by accident.

back in 2003, i started using online websites like asianeuro, thailovelinks, and more recently hotornot, not to mention hi5 and msn personals because it was something different and initially i thought it would be another and certainly easier avenue to pursue, than my usual route. but, most of the girls, while shaggable aren't my personal cup of tea. but, i'm sure they would appeal to many others. while there is a wide variety to choose from, most still seem to come from isaan, especially khon kaen and udon thani (i particularly dislike women from these 2 provinces), and the vast majority do seem quite desperate. also, the quality has dropped considerably in the last couple of years and there are a lot more p4p, or near-p4p now using these sites, under the guise of being "regular" tgs.

i think for someone just coming here on a holiday, it's a good way to go with the advantage of being able to escape after a couple of weeks, without any lingering after-effects. but, for someone living here, it requires considerably more caution and being much more selective.[/quote]

Hey Downtowner, thanks for the heads up in that article. Last time I returned from LOS to LAX I got searched pretty thorughly. Me, a 50 yr old white farang, singled out of a 747 arrival of ~450 people. Suspect it was profiling, as the officer went into my camera and looked at every pic. Lucky for me I emailed the girls pics even though they were of age. But some look very young at certain camera angles, and what a nightmare that can bring! Personally I don't need the hassle.

Be careful out there.......LDP

PS - It would be a big help if someone out there knows a good website where a MBA/Mechanical Engineer could find a job in the LOS. Please PM me if so.

[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Mr. E

I can see OTH jumping at this post LOL. My 2 cents... In Thailand it is expected that you pay - good girls or not. I see some posts here where guys shag 'good girls' and get a free run. Well, so they think. Fact is the girl was to shy to ask.[/QUOTE]But, then, there are the girls who specificly tell you not to pay them.

Were they too shy to ask for money, but bold enough to tell you that?

[QUOTE=Easy2007]Its all out there, I mean, no Thai Hi-So man would ever be without a good Mia Noi and some Gigs. And the odd Gak.

And his wife is obviously getting serviced by some young P4P boys from time to time.

Its endemic in Thai society to P4P.[/QUOTE]The other day a P4P TG was talking about marrying me. I said that I am a butterfly, but this was no problem for her. Without hesitation she granted me the right to Tomcat, and said that she would do so herself. Immediately I got rid of her and exercised my right.

[QUOTE=Easy2007]Thai's are very clean, especially P4P girls, and those ex-P4P girls.

However, a definite trend I have found is the Uni girls are not so pussy cleanliness conscious as the P4P girls.[/QUOTE]Not only pussy clean conscious, but my dick, balls, hands, everything.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]This has been my experience with every type of woman that I've met and bedded in Thailand (from gTg to p4p). But, they're a lot easier and less expensive to keep happy than women in America.

Thank Buddha, a lot less![/QUOTE]Yes, money economy is the only reason to cum to LOS.

What is gTg?

Well OTH seems to have gotten his panties in a bunch over Easy2007, now it seems that we have to get the uni’s girl degree to make sure she is going to the right UNIVERISTY. OTH’s elitism is too funny!

Well the MP’s on Rachada row are mainly their for the Thai’s so being that their preference is for white skinned girls that is mostly what they stock. From all the girls that I fucked there, I do not know what university that they were attending, but most were Marketing Majors, a few Business Majors and one Computer Science Major. Sorry I did bother to check the degrees.

The subject seems to be on getting into bed with Uni girls not Hi-so girls. The girls attending my TGF’s university are definitely not Hi-so, there are only two that pay for their tuition by cash the rest rely on government loans. The majority would be middle class.

I will be partying tonight with ten uni girls. They don’t have any fake ID’s, but I have a friend that owns a club in the Thong Lo area that pays off the MIB so no problem. After a few drinks they are sloshing drunk, Good Times!

A few months ago I also when to a party attended by so called “Hi-So” attending Dusit Thani College. Well they arrive in their fancy cars, but from I can tell, this is where the Hi-So send their kids to college that are low achievers not a brain cell between them, but a lot of eye candy. By the end of the night they were sloshing drunk with their tits falling out of their expensive low cost dresses. Quite the spectacle.

I choice to be a corrupter of Uni girls instead of the instructor of one. It is much more fun.

Well, I never went to school, so I don't even try to approach Uni girls. But for those who try to find regulars here an interesting report from Stickman:

[URL]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickMarkII/MeetingThaiWomenBackToBasics.htm[/URL]

BTW: I read there that the ST/LT rates in Rainbow 4 are now THB 2,500 / THB 4,000 . I haven't been there for a while now - can somebody confirm that?


Giotto

[QUOTE=1Ball]Thanks OTH, I am going to try to include that word into my every day vocabulary, though there are others on this site who should have that nickname........

So now, what is a "gak"?[/QUOTE]

1Ball,

That's the sound that comes out of a Rainbow Bar girl, when you offer her 500 baht LT. It's also the sound coming from Opebo's mouth, when you say you paid over 500 baht for ST. Sorry Opebo .. no offense intended.

AT2

Pink. Think of it as donations, not pay for sex. Average income for secretary THB 15,000 per month. A 'donation' is surely welcome. At THB 1,500 that is 10% of her monthly regular income - or - another pair of shoes :-)

I always insist on paying. Figure only fair. Label it as taxi money, rent contribution or whatever.

JB


[QUOTE=PinkPearl]But, then, there are the girls who specificly tell you not to pay them.

Were they too shy to ask for money, but bold enough to tell you that?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Thaid Up]Well OTH seems to have gotten his panties in a bunch over Easy2007, now it seems that we have to get the uni’s girl degree to make sure she is going to the right UNIVERISTY. OTH’s elitism is too funny![/QUOTE]

First of all, It's not elistism. It's merely like anywhere. There are first tier to third tier unis. It's not really a comment on how hot the girls are, but a comment on where they are most easily accessible. That's all. To tell you the truth, there are often better looking and much nicer girls at some of the lower level unis, than there are at Chula or Thammasat where the girls are often a pain in the ass and spoiled brats. I used to teach at Ramkhamhaeng many years ago and I think the girls there were much more fun and easier to deal with than those with whom I have to deal now.

Also, I'm not really worked up about Easy. I just like seeing how far I can push him and he obviously now really gets off by insulting me - his last posts about me were quite amusing. Of course, I don't really know him, and I don't care about him. This is all just a game, isn't it? Or, is it? I'm not sure, sometimes. A lot of these fights, whether involving me or others develop there own momentum quite quickly and usually spin out of control, much to the chagrin of those readers who just come here to exchange info and stories. None of what I've said about Easy is meant to be true because I have no empirical proof, anymore than he can substantiate his remarks about me. He can say things about OTH. But, who is OTH...or Giotto...or 1Ball...or Opebo, or Easy2007 and anyone else, here? Just faceless names.

People on this forum take things that are written much too seriously and too literally. I too have been guilty of this, on occasion. It's human nature to sometimes get carried away with remarks made, to take them personally and to then get petty, childish and insulting. But, in reality, when it goes too far and gets out of hand, as it has now between Easy and I, I force myself to remember the wise words of Terry Terrier who stated quite correctly that this is nothing but an obscure sex forum of little importance. Personas are illusions. There are posters on here who have several personas. Which one, if any is in anyway the real person? Domino, for example has any number of alter egos - Sanook D is one. There are probably dozens more. Are any of them really him?

One always has to remember that on the Internet, the constraints of social convention disappear as people seem to forget how to behave - me included. In normal social interaction where one is face to face with someone, unless you're a true geezer who gets his jollies pounding on somebody, we would never say the things we feel perfectly at ease saying here within the safety of anonimity. If we did, we'd get our asses kicked.

I'm sure there is a little of me in OTH. How could there not be? But, I think that in many cases on here the personas, whoever they belong to are gross exaggerations and cartoons of the real person. But, that won't stop OTH from continuing to be an arrogant, pompous, elitist, condescending, know-it-all (etc. etc. etc.) ass. That's his raison d'etre. I enjoy being him. But, I am not him.

I'm sorry to take up space with this rambling post - just some musings about the state of things.

[QUOTE]Oth, after reading a couple of your posts elsewhere, it does seem my guess was right. You hate Isaan people because you got done over by a couple of Isaan girls? Is that right?[QUOTE]

No. In reality, the best GF I ever had came from Roi-et. She was a dirt-poor farmgirl. My current one also comes from Isaan and is solidly middle-class. No HiSo girls for me. I know lots of them, and they are not worth the trouble.

The experiences to which I referred in my warning about online dating did not involve any girls from Isaan. All were in fact from Bangkok or near Bangkok.

I somehow doubt you'll let it rest, as you appear to be on a roll. So, knock yourself out. I'm done.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Yes, money economy is the only reason to cum to LOS.

What is gTg?[/QUOTE]That would be a "good Thai girl"...there's about 30+million of them.

Still have to pay something at some point..."you give money?"

Their shoes are not quite so fancy, though.

Well I can admit to never fucking with any Hi-So girls, but a lot of uni girls. What was quite the eye opener for me is what appeared to be Hi-So girls from a so-called university, Dusit Thani College. It appears that these girls go to this college as this is the best they can achieve mentally. They were totally obnoxious and even worse drunks, I pity the Thai guys that are boyfriends to these girls. No wonder the MP's are bustling business for Thai's.

[QUOTE=Orange Sunshine]Keep in mind, some of these Japanese-oriented lounges may not welcome farang customers. And although this place has laid out prices upfront, the bill at the end of an evening could set you back more than you expected, especially if the sole purpose for the visit was to simply pull one particular girl. In that case, you might be better off to visit a soap/oil MP. Still, if you like this type of venue (for the hostess treatment and the types of girls available), I'm sure you'll have a blast too.[/QUOTE]Thanks Orange. I don't have the dough to risk a padded bill coming up :-(. I'll stick with the MP thing and maybe enjoy a few drinks and a show at Nana.

Having run around BKK all day on business (of the legit kind) I decided to head over to Soi Cowboy for the first time (even after quite a few trips to BKK.) I got there about 23h30 and immediatley liked the atmosphere. No aggressive selling on the street. I had a look around and then remembering the comments on ISG went to Susy Wong to have a lookie lookie. I took a seat in the back, so I could have a good look around. After a while a girl (mamasan? ) comes to me and asks if I wanted a lady. As I was just looking to relax I told her so and kindly was left alone (with my drink and the lovely girls on stage.) for the rest of my time there. Again a nice experience just being left to ones own devices if so chosen. I got a laugh out of the waitress for ordering a pineapple juice? ! ? And what is the deal with the pingpong balls? The girls were crazy for them! And what time is the famous lesbian show? The dancing on stage was a bit "slow" at first, but then there was a change of dancers and they proceeded to do a great oily, full nude (with all the bits and pieces) session (no lesbian) which was very much appreciated by all

I wanted to check out Baccarat for the infamous upstairs-glass-floor which was verxy amusing. Again nice atmosphere and not too much hassling for lady drinks etc. The girls upstairs were a mixewd bunch with some obviously having fun and others trying very hard to prevent us pervs from looking up their skirts Ended up taking one of the dancers from the main stage for ST. She caught my eye with her very good dancing style which was much more active than the rest of the girls. (Thinking back to the saying "the way a girl dances is the way she is in bed"). However after paying the BF, this is where it all went a bit pear shaped. I wait for P. No. 9x to change and as we head off to find a taxi I notice she is a little drunk and wobbly on the legs. No worries, I think: nothing a short walk and a shower can't fix. When we get to the hotel, as I enter the room I notice no light, no aircon, no hot water etc: there seems to be a complete powercut in all of Soi 11. Now what: got this girly by the hand who is a little afraid of the dark, no light, no warm water for shower, can't see shit etc. I called the front desk and asked for a torch. After 20min they send someone with 3 little candles and a box of matches LOL! Romantic, I think.

Since P. Had been dancing all night and I was a little sweaty, I insisted on a cold shower (which in BKK is actually quite welcoming). Unfortunatly P. Was more into falling asleep than anything else, and even though she was up for everything (. Except lesbian, she had told me back at Baccarat) I had to take control and constantly tell her what to do and what I wanted. Not my idea of a good romp! She had offered as many shots as I wanted during ST, but after the first one was done and P. Was literally falling asleep. I sent her on her sleepy, merry way and called a night.

15min, after she left, and I was already on the way to lalaland. The lights, aircon. , fridge, TV etc. All come on. Fucking frightened the living shit out of me

Cheers

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[QUOTE=1Ball]Thanks OTH, I am going to try to include that word into my every day vocabulary, though there are others on this site who should have that nickname........

So now, what is a "gak"?[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I forgot to answer this.

Gak is colloquial Thai meaning generally "a little bit", or "insignificant". One might for example refer to a shot of booze as "kaew gak", literally a little glass.

The word has been co-opted by Thai teenagers (originally Gig Gak and now just Gak) to mean a casual love, maybe like puppy love. It may mean someone a teen has sex with for the first time, but usually doesn't imply sex. It's certainly not about any kind of serious relationship, not that widely used, actually and certainly not used by anyone over the age of 20. It's unlikely that university students would use it, especially beyond the freshman year. While I've heard Gig used by students many times, I've only heard Gak once or twice and always in a kidding around sort of way.

The term Gig, Gik, Kik (different spellings-same pronunciation) is more widely used even by teens and refers mostly these days to a "friend with benefits". It used to be more general and didn't necessarily always refer to a friend with whom one had sex. But, these days, it's generally assumed that one has sex with one's Gig. It used to be a cool term. But, with the inference of casual sex, it's now taking on a negative connotation. Where before, I would hear women, especially my students use it all the time, it now seems to cause embarrassment.

BTW, I know you're likely kidding. But, I really would not use the term "bugsider" (difficult to pronounce correctly, anyway), if I was you. Among Thais it has been corrupted to become quite a perjorative term. It's original meaning in Isaan is quite charming - a naiive, country bumpkin who's rather innocent of the world. It's only the Thais who have turned it back onto people from Isaan to mean "simpleton", "village idiot" etc.

The Isaan term for Farang is "Bugsida" - sounds a bit similar. I've heard BGs a couple of times use the phrase "Bugsida Bugsider" to mean, I suppose an idiot Farang. But, I think it might have been a spur of the moment joke. It's certainly not widely used. Thai and Isaan Lao can be minefields for the uninitiated.

[QUOTE=Richo Stevens]I wonder who is the old fart here. My bet to the PROFESSOR from the US coming here in 1997? You are ONE funny old git![/QUOTE]

One of my brother professors visited, and left me behind??

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]The term Gig, Gik, Kik (different spellings-same pronunciation) is more widely used even by teens and refers mostly these days to a "friend with benefits". It used to be more general and didn't necessarily always refer to a friend with whom one had sex. But, these days, it's generally assumed that one has sex with one's Gig. It used to be a cool term. [b]But, with the inference of casual sex, it's now taking on a negative connotation. [/b]Where before, I would hear women, especially my students use it all the time, it now seems to cause embarrassment.[/QUOTE]Negative Connotation ? LOL I think it depends on which side of the fence you're seating ;)

I have 3 giks at the moment (casual sex for An expensive night out, shopping, gifts) and they seem not to pay too much attention to the term Gik, I think it is quite natural for them.

Guys, I personally don't care if they are low, middle, or Hi-So, I don't care if they are dressed like a Uni-girl to pretend, or they real are one! I don't care if they go to the best University or the just a trade school! To each his own!

I am on a budget but I no cheap Charlie, if the situation arises and LBM get excited and I think the challenge is worth the time I break out the wallet for him and sometimes I do overpay! but it a mental challenge to see how far I can go!

All this conversation leads me to remember 4 years back, staying at Nana Hotel I like to eat at the Landmark Hotel late at night. There were couple of girls which I thought might have been Uni-girls, spoke excellent English and they were all somewhat drunk and having good time. I happen to be seated to the table next to them. When I ordered my food the girls stare at me because of my race and that I could speak English. Now I found out that they were Uni-girls and at that time I didn't know one University from the other and personally I don't care then or now! Well, I did hit it off with one of them and I never told them I was staying at Nana, instead I was staying at the Marriort with my other associates. We agree to meet up the next day but this time I took a gamble and checked out of the Nana, and checked into Landmark for the night. We went to dinner and a couple of clubs ( all somewhat Hi-So ) but at the end of the night it all paid off, told her I got a room at the Landmark just for the night and that my associated thought I was off seeing some friends in town.

In the end, isn't it all a game with us! were all lying DOGS! Even if we are cheap we shell out and overpay just for the challenge of it all. If they spread it we all do what the little head tells us! Hi-So or Lo-So, school or no school!
When time exist, you can go to the World Trade Center and watch the candy come and go, you can even go to the Bus Stop on Soi 4, there are girls that serve you tell you they aren't P4P, that they are students but will go out with you just for their company but no sex. But in the end if you want it bad enough and they have a great time with you and they think you are worth the investment based on the Bull-shit you are feeding them they will end up in the sack with you!

The goal is getting them in bed and how much time and money you are going to invest in it. If your not going to marry them what difference does it make what school they come from?

LBM, is getting on the plane tonight so see ya fellas!

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Sorry, I forgot to answer this.

BTW, I know you're likely kidding. But, I really would not use the term "bugsider" (difficult to pronounce correctly, anyway), if I was you. Among Thais it has been corrupted to become quite a perjorative term. It's original meaning in Isaan is quite charming - a naiive, country bumpkin who's rather innocent of the world. It's only the Thais who have turned it back onto people from Isaan to mean "simpleton", "village idiot" etc.
[/QUOTE]
Well, thanks for the explanation OTH, and no need to worry, I wans't planning on using the term "bugsider" in Thailand. it's just when you explained it to me, I immediately thought of a "special someone" in the forum, to whom this moniker would fit perfectly............

[QUOTE=1Ball]Well, thanks for the explanation OTH, and no need to worry, I wans't planning on using the term "bugsider" in Thailand. it's just when you explained it to me, I immediately thought of a "special someone" in the forum, to whom this moniker would fit perfectly............[/QUOTE]
I learn't the hard way that Farangs should never use Thai words that they don't fully understand the usage of.
Can get into trouble.

This particularly applies to swear words as we Farangs often don't understand the feeling behind swear words.
There are even words that girls can use that guys cannot, so don't copy the girls.
Its OK for a girl to call a guy "dtolae" but in reverse, you're in deep shit !
Basically means "devious bull-shit artist" (perhaps stronger than that) but it seems to be extremely impolite to call a girl this.

Mick, it depends on the company you are in, if you were tagging along with OTH and his pretend "Hi-So" friends, then yes, the use of that term, pronounced similar to "doll-air". Would be seen as very uncouth. OTH might even say "Isaan like" as he detests everything about the poor country bumpkins.

However, amongst the younger generation, and indeed most "normal people" (as in those not pretending to be Hi-So, or attempting to be Hi-So). Its fine to say playfully, when jesting they are bullshitting, "doll-air".

But yes, underneath it is quite strong terms for a bullshitter, or bullshit, so use with care, and if using in a joking manner, make sure its taken as such, and utilise a long pause on the "air". Making it "doll-aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiir".

If used against someone in a nasty way, then make it short and sharp "doll-air".

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I learn't the hard way that Farangs should never use Thai words that they don't fully understand the usage of.
Can get into trouble.

This particularly applies to swear words as we Farangs often don't understand the feeling behind swear words.

There are even words that girls can use that guys cannot, so don't copy the girls.
Its OK for a girl to call a gut "dtolae" but in reverse, you're in deep shit !
Basically means "devious bull-shit artist" (perhaps stronger than that) but it seems to be extremely impolite to call a girl this.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Easy2007]I will let OTH go off now and ask his students (plenty of which are likely Gigs and Gaks). [/QUOTE]If you said the words Gig or Gak to a TG would she know what you are talking about just the same as if you said Nit Noy {a little bit}?

[QUOTE=1Ball]Well, thanks for the explanation OTH, and no need to worry, I wans't planning on using the term "bugsider" in Thailand. it's just when you explained it to me, I immediately thought of a "special someone" in the forum, to whom this moniker would fit perfectly............[/QUOTE]

Only ONE????

[QUOTE=Giotto]Well, I never went to school, so I don't even try to approach Uni girls. But for those who try to find regulars here an interesting report from Stickman:

[URL]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickMarkII/MeetingThaiWomenBackToBasics.htm[/URL]

BTW: I read there that the ST/LT rates in Rainbow 4 are now THB 2,500 / THB 4,000 . I haven't been there for a while now - can somebody confirm that?

Giotto[/QUOTE]Was to the Rainbow on groundfloor at Nana last week, they asked for 2000 ST ,and was hard get a girl who wanted LT .

They have family or boyfriend and want to go home at 0200.

One girl could stay to 0700 and wanted 4000 and then I say 3000 she left telling the hostess that that farang should look for another lady :-).

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]If you said the words Gig or Gak to a TG would she know what you are talking about just the same as if you said Nit Noy {a little bit}?[/QUOTE]Yes, they would, its in quite common use, amongst (sexually active (!)) Thai's, not Farang.

I went back to Hana Massage to Rin for the special balls massage. My last experience was that it was amazing and revitalized me in a way that I cannot believe. I found that it helped the quality of my erections for weeks after and also felt really good while it was going on.

This time I went in fresh, as in not having had much sexual activity the few days before I saw her. The experience was still great, though this time it felt much more like a a really really great hand job where she brings you to the brink and keeps you there for a long time. She is very accomodating while she is doing this and will let you kiss, touch and play with her boobs and huge nipples or her pussy. I am sure that it would be very easy to get her to go to 69 or all the way from there if you really wanted. Anyway it was still wonderful but after playing with some veins around the ball sac she moved on and just focused on the erection and making mefeel good there. This time I felt it was less of a balls massage. I ended coming on her boobs when she started to rub me between her breasts. I found another girl later that night and really f**d her that night 3 times which is more than I am usually capable of so I think that this massage is a good idea when you really want to go at it.

My session of 90 mins cost 1300 which I thought was still great for the quality of the experience.

Does anybody know of other provider who know how to do the balls massage in BKK? There must be others who actually do have some definite technique on this.

[QUOTE=Alroy]I went back to Hana Massage to Rin for the special balls massage. [/QUOTE]We have a Massage Thread for this.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]If you said the words Gig or Gak to a TG would she know what you are talking about just the same as if you said Nit Noy {a little bit}?[/QUOTE]

Gig is in very common usage. There have actually been two Thai movies with this as the title (The Gig, The Gig 2).

However, as I said before in my answer to 1Ball, Gak is not that common and when used is primarily used by teens only.

I asked my GF, who said it wasn't very common. I also asked my students who said it wouldn't be used by anyone except teenagers, and that it wasn't a very popular term. Gig has become the all-inclusive term for everyone. But, as I said to 1Ball, it is starting to take on negative connotations.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I learn't the hard way that Farangs should never use Thai words that they don't fully understand the usage of.
Can get into trouble.

This particularly applies to swear words as we Farangs often don't understand the feeling behind swear words.
There are even words that girls can use that guys cannot, so don't copy the girls.
Its OK for a girl to call a guy "dtolae" but in reverse, you're in deep shit !
Basically means "devious bull-shit artist" (perhaps stronger than that) but it seems to be extremely impolite to call a girl this.[/QUOTE]

I don't think it's appropriate to use any Thai expletives, no matter whose company you keep - from HiSo, to "pretend" HiSo, to MidSo, to SoSo, to LoSo, to NoSo, to HoSo, swearing is never wise. By not being Thai, you're damned even if you use them correctly.

Thai is full of a lot of bawdiness. A good deal of the most popular humour (from traditional Isaan shows at temple fairs) which is now used in all forms of entertainment, especially TV and movies contains loads of "off-colour" words and expressions. Spoken by Thai, but especially Isaan entertainers, they are quite charming. But, if a Farang, (even those who are extremely fluent) attempts to 'go native' and do the same, it usually comes off quite wrong.

Also, with all this discussion about the word 'Gig', it should be noted that a lot of so-called 'regular' Thai women do not like this word, now and would be horrified if it was used by a man to describe them. 'Gig' has become linked to the older term 'mia noi' and no decent Thai woman (even if in reality, she's not quite as decent as she thinks) wants to be thought of in that way.

Generally, non-Thais should stick to proper and polite forms of the language, only. You won't ingratiate yourself to the people by attempting to get overly familiar with them in your use of language.

A late night tour through Bangkok with some members, Passinthrough's report:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=705795[/URL]


Giotto

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I don't think it's appropriate to use any Thai expletives, no matter whose company you keep - from HiSo, to "pretend" HiSo, to MidSo, to SoSo, to LoSo, to NoSo, to HoSo, swearing is never wise. By not being Thai, you're damned even if you use them correctly.

{snip}

Generally, non-Thais should stick to proper and polite forms of the language, only. You won't ingratiate yourself to the people by attempting to get overly familiar with them in your use of language.[/QUOTE]I guess as usual you are going to say that you are only talking about the non P4P world here.

In my experience with SW ladies of the night I very quickly learned the words for crazy and slap slap {Ding Dong and Sillops Siloy, more or less}, and have found that TGs like my use of them. Admittedly, though, at times this is due to my total mutilation of the language, which I blame on my alzheimers.

Hello All, Staying at the Citichic Hotel Feb 19th to 22nd.

Will welcome other mongers to get together for a drink or trolling.

Would like to check out some high end place like Pent Executive Club or similar with experienced local mongerers.

I have had the opportunity to go to Soi Cowboy a couple times in the last few weeks to show first time Bangkok visitors the sights. I like to take them to Soi Cowboy because it has everything and I think is a bit better than Nana and a lot better that PatPong. Any way I just wanted to share the experience, I hope you enjoy it.

Arriving at Soi Cowboy is like walking into the big tent at a circus, or maybe a freak show. Even before you go into a bar you are overwhelmed with sights and sounds. on the mostly pedestrian street, there are some scooters driving up and down, you will see everything from Elephants to fried scorpions. Last night there were two elephants with their handlers walking up and down. One was pretty big and getting tusks while the other was younger. They are there so you can buy sugar cane and feed them while taking pictures. I feel sorry for the poor animals but it is a sight to see. At various stalls up and down the street you can find anything from fried scorpions to squid jerky. They sell just about anything that walked the earth. Ok maybe a bit of an exaggeration but you can definitely get a lot of different foods and some smell really good. There are usually also people walking up and down selling toys and stuffed animals, just like you find at the circus. There are also beggars looking for hand outs. One in particular who is missing a leg will slide up and down the street on his stomach with a sign asking for money, others just come up and ask or show you a sign.

Now one thing that you can't help but notice is the woman, young, older and old walking around in various states of dress. No one is nude or topless on the street, though some of the costumes leave little to the imagination. They are there to get you to go into the bars but there are also a lot who have come out of the bars to get some food or take a break and talk to friends. If you wanted to find a great companion for the night you could do it just walking around outside. Finally there are lots of children running around. Some are trying to sell you flowers and other things to give the girls while others seem to just be playing. It is a crazy atmosphere.

Ok, let's take it inside. Pick one of the dozens of clubs and allow yourself to be brought inside. I am going to start with Long Gun. The first thing you are likely to see is half naked or fully naked girls dancing on the stage. As soon as you get in you will be ushered to a seat and your drink order taken. Beer is about the same price as water so order what ever you want, they don’t care. If you get there are the right time you can see the show, which I think is one of the most interesting in Bangkok. The girls do a lot of things with their pussies including pulling out a variety of things, smoking, blowing horns, shooting bananas, blowing out candles and finally popping balloons hanging from the ceiling by shooting darts. If you see someone you like, be it a girl on stage or one of the waitresses ask her to join you. Another good show is at Suzy Wong’s; they do a pretty good lesbian show that goes beyond what you see most places. I know the people I have taken there watched with their mouths open. If you want a little extra there are a couple bars, such as Jungle Jim’s that will do a little extra. If you go in you might find yourself drinking a beer as a girl oils up you little buddy and proceeds to give him a nice hand work out.

There are all sorts of bars, some are pretty big with dozens of girls while others are small with only a small bar and a couple girls dancing on stage. The key in my mind is to find a place that is playing music you enjoy. When you find it have a beer or two, or water, or whiskey or what ever your pleasure and just enjoy the show.

In my opinion Soi Cowboy is a must see at least once. Take a camera for the pictures of elephants and some of the delectable snack food but remember everyone expects a few baht for the pictures so give them something so they can make a living.

Enjoy and don’t eat too much cotton candy or you will get a stomach ache.

PIT

Well since I posted my report (see earlier) had several PM's asking me how I found the freebies. Well the answer is Craigs LIst Friendster and Date in Asia.

Be careful with Dare in Asia. Many scammers both in Thailand and Phils. But could be a good source.

Anyways turns out that the one who had told me was 23. And who sweetly went to sleep holding my dick is actually 29 she revealed to me yesterday. Yes women also lie about their age hahah

And the sweet young thing I took back to my room one afternoon as I was bored, told me I was the 2nd guy she had made love with. So there you go. Life is fun and funny and has many twists and turns.

Am lad I don't live in BKK. Would never get any work done!

[QUOTE=Worltravel]Was to the Rainbow on groundfloor at Nana last week, they asked for 2000 ST ,and was hard get a girl who wanted LT .

They have family or boyfriend and want to go home at 0200.

One girl could stay to 0700 and wanted 4000 and then I say 3000 she left telling the hostess that that farang should look for another lady :-).[/QUOTE]For 2000 I'd expect an hour of high quality ass licking or 2 hours of balls sucking, smoking & boom boom. Tell her to choose between the two, I don't care if her name is Jessica Alba or Halle Berry. Women like this can be found on the street every night for 1000.

Short report,

Sunday the 10th, in BKK,

Well, LBM is here in BKK with loads of luggage for the family. So damn heavy that I twik my right knee when leaving for the airport in which it started to act up when I left Tulip ( See short report in Massge Thread ) and started to do my normal walk back to the hotel on Soi 4. Wanted to meet Giotto at his place and was able to walk to his hotel around 4:15, by the time I got to his place and went inside which I saw a group around the bar and another small group near the pool the knee was starting to swell which put me in a real bad mood. I remember seeing his face before looked around didn't see him so took off, so sorry Giotto. Wanted on this visit also to check out the Toxic and Bada Bing Bar on Soi 18, and 22, based on Evil's writing, but walking by Soi, 22,18, not sure how far to go down and the knee starting to swell called it a day and caught a motorcyle taxis back to the hotel.

That evening felt better placing ice on the knee, stunk pretty much to Nana, for a Thai and foot massage. Pretty slow for a Sunday evening, but still a few cuties out front in the parking lot. Try to get in to the Nana Angel Disco, The past few times they allow me in free since I was a hotel guess but this time they told me I had to pay! Finally gave in and I could see why they wanted me to pay! even by 01:15, the place was pretty empty not much to pick from. Not sure if it was because of a Sunday or the place is slowing dying!

How LBM, didn't tear something in the knee! Not allot of luck with medical lately! LBM, is upset!

[QUOTE=Alroy]My session of 90 mins cost 1300 which I thought was still great for the quality of the experience.

Does anybody know of other provider who know how to do the balls massage in BKK? There must be others who actually do have some definite technique on this.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what this special "balls massage" involves, but many street ladies of the night will give hand, tongue, lip and mouth massages in that area, as well as the anus. You can easily get an hour for 1000 Baht on the balls sacks. As for a "definite technique", no girl does it the same as any other, so it is always a new experience. You would just have to try it and see if you like it. Or ask and teach her to do it the way you want.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]...
Wanted to meet Giotto at his place and was able to walk to his hotel around 4:15, by the time I got to his place and went inside which I saw a group around the bar and another small group near the pool the knee was starting to swell which put me in a real bad mood. I remember seeing his face before looked around didn't see him so took off, so sorry Giotto.
...
[/QUOTE]LittleBigMan,

I think that time we were sitting at a table close to the hotel bar - with 4 other members from the ISG! Oh man, bad luck, would have really been fun if you had joined the club yesterday ... guys here from all over the world.

Next time! :)


Giotto

Wonder if any member had come across this mature MILF who goes under the name of hot nid! Come across her on an escort site.

For some reason (I'm not an especial MILF man) she rings my bells. Must be the big knocker and flappy labs. Plus she does the full monty. Was thinking about setting up a meeting on my next trip.

Cheers for any info.

[QUOTE=Bounce Around]Hello All, Staying at the Citichic Hotel Feb 19th to 22nd.

Will welcome other mongers to get together for a drink or trolling.

Would like to check out some high end place like Pent Executive Club or similar with experienced local mongerers.[/QUOTE]

Bounce,

Have fun! Be sure to scope out the back bar, past the pool area.

AT2

[QUOTE=Alroy]I went back to Hana Massage to Rin for the special balls massage. My last experience was that it was amazing and revitalized me in a way that I cannot believe. I found that it helped the quality of my erections for weeks after and also felt really good while it was going on.

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My session of 90 mins cost 1300 which I thought was still great for the quality of the experience.

Does anybody know of other provider who know how to do the balls massage in BKK? There must be others who actually do have some definite technique on this.[/QUOTE]

Alroy,

Ogoto massage has it on their menu. Of course, alot of places have jumped on the bandwagon, and having it on the menu does not guarantee the real deal. The girl I had was cute, but not very skilled, at least with the balls massage. Her name was Donut. Had fun though and heard of good experiences by others. Some have suggested Naree as a skilled provider. I had Rin a few years back and just saw her in August. Her looks have never been to my taste and unfortunately, my last visit with her in August was decent but uninspired. I was her last customer, and it could have been a long day. If I recall, it was only 1K baht, so all in all not a bad deal.

Ogoto is near the Saladaeng Station and worth a look. Avoid MMU-One massage on Suk Soi 22. They advertise the balls massage, but the selection and service suck.

AT2

I've been to BKK for 10 days last month.

Just some comments about prices:

Rainbow and Rainbow 4 at NEP quotes 2000ST/4000LT + BF (at least for cute girls)
Also i wandered in many gogo in Soi Cowboy and the going rate was 3000LT +BF
Nana parking girls (cute ones) about 1000ST (30-40 minutes)

Are these prices the standard now? or the end of January is still part of high season?
Last August it was easy to find nice girls for 2000LT in soi cowboy.

[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Wonder if any member had come across this mature MILF who goes under the name of hot nid! Come across her on an escort site.

For some reason (I'm not an especial MILF man) she rings my bells. Must be the big knocker and flappy labs. Plus she does the full monty. Was thinking about setting up a meeting on my next trip.

Cheers for any info.[/QUOTE]Are you for real? Grannies like this can be had for free in any any any country in the world - often you would get pretty well paid just to see them naked. My god your mind is twisted.

[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Wonder if any member had come across this mature MILF who goes under the name of hot nid! Come across her on an escort site.

For some reason (I'm not an especial MILF man) she rings my bells. Must be the big knocker and flappy labs. Plus she does the full monty. Was thinking about setting up a meeting on my next trip.

Cheers for any info.[/QUOTE]

Hi Gamahucher,

she rings my bell too.
Would you mind sharing her contact info.

thanks

Daddy San

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Daddy San,

I'm assuming you are going to BKK for the 1st time and hence the question. If I'm wrong, my appologies.

--snip--

AT2[/QUOTE]

Hi AT2,

thanks for your extensive answer and please accept my apologies for my belated reaction.

The real, though unarticulated motive for my original query about the BG prices was the following:

My understanding was, that barfines vary from say 400 -1000 THB and that many of you complain, that they have risen beyond reason in recent years.

Well now, it seems that at Livingstone's, the BF is 1500++ THB, which, from a distance, I found out of proportion, unless the LL BGs had gilt pussies AND paraded them in the Sports Lounge.

In the meantime, I have read Giotto's rationale for the high BF and since he is the pimp (as he calls himself), it's his call anyway.

I'll be in BKK next week and will have a look if those pussies deliver what he promises.

Daddy San

[QUOTE=Daddy San]Hi AT2,

thanks for your extensive answer and please accept my apologies for my belated reaction.

The real, though unarticulated motive for my original query about the BG prices was the following:

My understanding was, that barfines vary from say 400 -1000 THB and that many of you complain, that they have risen beyond reason in recent years.

Well now, it seems that at Livingstone's, the BF is 1500++ THB, which, from a distance, I found out of proportion, unless the LL BGs had gilt pussies AND paraded them in the Sports Lounge.

In the meantime, I have read Giotto's rationale for the high BF and since he is the pimp (as he calls himself), it's his call anyway.

I'll be in BKK next week and will have a look if those pussies deliver what he promises.

Daddy San[/QUOTE]

Daddy San,

I see. The barfines range from 400 to 600 in general, and I would not be surprised to see them creep up a bit in 2008. The Soi 33 bars, which Livingstones competes with, are higher and go up to 1,500 THB. I could never buy the rationale, since the girls are basically the same. Nicer dressed in some of the bars, but better?

They do charge more for drinks and such, and you are paying for the ambiance. It could be argued, when they lose a girl to the customer for the night, it costs the bar more from that standpoint. Also, if you are staying at Livingstones and barfine one of G's girls, then you don't pay the taxi and drinks during an evenings hunt and that might make up some of the difference.

I still like Soi 33 for the change that it offers, and obviously the business model works. Most of the key bars and of course Livingstones have been there a long time. Seems like many of the regular's just made return visits or are about to.

Have fun!
AT2

[QUOTE=Daddy San]...
Well now, it seems that at Livingstone's, the BF is 1500++ THB, which, from a distance, I found out of proportion, unless the LL BGs had gilt pussies AND paraded them in the Sports Lounge.
...
[/QUOTE]Daddy San,

Barfines at Livingstone's are THB 1,500 (no ++) until 11 pm, THB 1,000 afterwards.

You find all kinds of barfine models in the road (Soi 33), but it is in general more expensive than in Soi Cowboy or Soi Nana (barfine THB 600). In Renoir the barfine is now up to THB 1,800, THB 2,500 for receptionists and even higher for some special girls (Mamasan etc. ). In Monet the barfine was THB 1,580 (all night long) when I was there last time, but higher on the weekends. In the Office Bar the bar fine is THB 1,200 all night long.

And then there are still those "high class" clubs here in Bangkok where the barfines are much higher :) .


Giotto

Maybe a very stupid question from a "almost newbie"

Barfine a receptionist and Mamasan? Is that possible anywhere or just some special places?

[QUOTE=Giotto]And then there are still those "high class" clubs here in Bangkok where the barfines are much higher :) .
Giotto[/QUOTE]

Hi Giotto, what are those "high class" clubs? Does that mean quality also? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Sean EZ]Hi Giotto, what are those "high class" clubs? Does that mean quality also? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Sean EZ,

Pegasus Club, Forte, G-Club, Caribean, Tango - there are so many, and I am also not sure whether all mentioned clubs still exist. I don't go there often.

Quality - what is quality? If you are looking for sexual experience and techniques I think you are always better off in massage parlours - and you can save a lot of money. If you are looking for stunners you might find some younger and more beautiful girls there, but you can also be lucky in Rainbow 4 in Soi Nana. Furthermore beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Then many of those "high class" clubs are catering for Asian customers, local Thais, and their idea about a stunner can be different from ours.

To be honest - I cannot answer your question.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Richo Stevens]Are you for real? Grannies like this can be had for free in any any any country in the world - often you would get pretty well paid just to see them naked. My god your mind is twisted.[/QUOTE]Course its twisted, why otherwise would I be on this site communicating with morons like you. Lots of guys prefer the older, more mature women who have the experience and know how that young 'uns haven't learned yet and are great for a change in pace. Not a particular mature MILF fan myself (as I mentioned) but this one looks a goer and I'd love to dress her up as a schoolmarm and play a few long buried fantasies with her. Now that is twisted!

For Daddy San. Dunno her contact details but you will find her on Escorttown. Post a report if you happen to try her out.

[QUOTE=Giotto]Sean EZ,

Pegasus Club, Forte, G-Club, Caribean, Tango - there are so many, and I am also not sure whether all mentioned clubs still exist. I don't go there often.

Quality - what is quality? If you are looking for sexual experience and techniques I think you are always better off in massage parlours - and you can save a lot of money. If you are looking for stunners you might find some younger and more beautiful girls there, but you can also be lucky in Rainbow 4 in Soi Nana. Furthermore beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Then many of those "high class" clubs are catering for Asian customers, local Thais, and their idea about a stunner can be different from ours.

To be honest - I cannot answer your question.


Giotto[/QUOTE]

Sean EZ,

Of those Giotto mentioned, I would suggest Forte, G-Club, Caribbean Dance Club as good options to check out. To that, I would add the Pent and Hollywood Club. All of these places are more Thai/Asian crowds predominently, so keep that in mind, and like Giotto says .. beauty is in the eye of the beholder. They fall under the Gentlemen's, Members club, Coyote club umbrella. You gotta earn the girls, so to speak and it's not like Nana, Soi Cowboy or Patpong. A slightly different scene. I heard good things about Piano, but have not been there.

Like anywhere in BKK, things go in cycles and of course timing is everything. I think these places are worth a look, since they usually have their share of head turners. Google them or You-Tube em' to get a picture in your head.

AT2

[QUOTE=Globoid]...
Barfine a receptionist and Mamasan? Is that possible anywhere or just some special places?[/QUOTE]Globoid,

It is NOT generally possible anywhere. It depends on the place. And in most places you definitely dont't WANT to barfine a Mamasan :) ...


Giotto

Hello,

Does someone know how long it takes for your bags to arrive at the arrival concourse at BKK airport at midnight time of the day?

Just an estimate is good...

-R.

[QUOTE=Rbamane]Hello,

Does someone know how long it takes for your bags to arrive at the arrival concourse at BKK airport at midnight time of the day?

Just an estimate is good.

-R.[/QUOTE]10-15 minutes. They are usually there by the time you get through Passport/Immigration.

[QUOTE=Rbamane]...
Does someone know how long it takes for your bags to arrive at the arrival concourse at BKK airport at midnight time of the day?
...[/QUOTE]Rbamane,

The last few times when I came into Bangkok I did not wait longer than 10 min. for my luggage. Sometimes I could immediately pick it up after passing the immigration / passport control. Service has clearly improved in this area.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Rbamane]Hello,

Does someone know how long it takes for your bags to arrive at the arrival concourse at BKK airport at midnight time of the day?

Just an estimate is good...

-R.[/QUOTE]
By the time you clear immigration, your bag should be there waiting for you.

[QUOTE=Rbamane]Hello,

Does someone know how long it takes for your bags to arrive at the arrival concourse at BKK airport at midnight time of the day?

Just an estimate is good...

-R.[/QUOTE]I estimate anywhere between 3 and 7 minutes from the time you arrive in front of the belt.

Rbamane, your questions are really entertaining, I can't wait to see what question you will be coming up with next.

[QUOTE=Rbamane]Hello,

Does someone know how long it takes for your bags to arrive at the arrival concourse at BKK airport at midnight time of the day?

Just an estimate is good...

-R.[/QUOTE]

Rbamane,

It will take about 20 minutes to clear immigration/passport control, if you arrive around midnite (usually about when I arrive) and your bags should be there waiting for you, give or take 5 minutes. Since I usually land around 10pm to 11pm, I have a somewhat set routine on the 1st night. Get through immigration/passport control, get some baht, head to the taxi, check in to the hotel and try to get someone quick at Nana or Soi Cowboy, depending on how much time I have and which hotel I'm at.

Do the ST (Short-time) thing, get a few hours sleep, and wake up about 4am or 5am due to the time zone thing. Just can't sleep on that first night. I go to Sabai Sabai (24/7 oily massage place) for an early morning massage and hj, and go back to sleep for a few more hours. They also do take out. Next morning on, anything goes! It's BKK!

AT2

Giotto,

Yes, I was thinking the same that the guys sitting there were most likely ISG members. Didn't take a good look, wasn't even going to come down Soi 33, but make a good attempt. But by the time I came in I was so mad at myself I was no longer in a socializing mood. Hopefully when in August, I can come by if the wife doesn't ride along to the Airport like last time I''ll be able come by.

LBM

Thanks AT2 and others for the replies.

Thanks AT2 for sharing your routine... I am in BKK only till the next afternoon and was planning to visit the floating market in the morning ... is it worth it or would you rather do Sabai Sabai :) ?

I do come back for couple nights after 2 weeks - the weekend of 29 Feb though....

-R.


[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Rbamane,

It will take about 20 minutes to clear immigration/passport control, if you arrive around midnite (usually about when I arrive) and your bags should be there waiting for you, give or take 5 minutes. Since I usually land around 10pm to 11pm, I have a somewhat set routine on the 1st night. Get through immigration/passport control, get some baht, head to the taxi, check in to the hotel and try to get someone quick at Nana or Soi Cowboy, depending on how much time I have and which hotel I'm at.

Do the ST (Short-time) thing, get a few hours sleep, and wake up about 4am or 5am due to the time zone thing. Just can't sleep on that first night. I go to Sabai Sabai (24/7 oily massage place) for an early morning massage and hj, and go back to sleep for a few more hours. They also do take out. Next morning, anything goes! It's BKK!

AT2[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Bounce,

Have fun! Be sure to scope out the back bar, past the pool area.

AT2[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info; and your other posts. I am looking forward to the trip and was also getting quite a sticker shock issue similar to Daddy San; because my next stop is China, and the mongering there is cheaper, though obviously quality/service is different (not good or bad, just culturally different).

I picked the hotel based on forum members; was a bit reluctant of Livingstones, though obviously he has a nice niche and being active on the forum helps; unlike the china forums i don't see many price hike or over paying flamming on this forum, because i guess a lot of BSDs come to Thailand and supply/demand issues are different... Being a forum oriented service provider i'm sure he keeps things competitive. will try to check his place out.

Paying 4000LT plus bar fine which is i guess the high end of the reported range in this forum i think is too much, so i guess i'll just be going to Soi 33 for a look; Paying that much for a good soapie and bed slide would be acceptable i guess.

Can get a lot of fair skinned girls in China, though the Thai fair skin seems nice as well; personally looking forward to some of the darker girls.

If you are going to be around, do drop a line, maybe we can meet up.

Well I can't tell you about the time to get your bag if you are on a late night flight but two sundays ago I arrived at about lunchtime. I had a hot date waiting to be met and I happily strolled up the short ramp before customs. To be greeted by a queue of thousands. Every line was totally jammed. I selected the "shortest" line that had over 65 people in it. I counted.

And of course it was the line with the trainee customs person. Its always the trainee whatever line you select.

It took 90 minutes to get thru!

But, I arrived at the carousel expecting to pick up my bag and be gone. I saw people waiting for their bags looking very frustrated. Then the carousel started.

Sure enough, the plane had been parked a long long way away and it had also taken 90 minutes for bags to get sorted and placed on carousel.

Maybe it was a rare off day. Or a Sunday. Or whatever but when you have a hot date waiting in BKK and your stuck in the airport at Customs, 90minutes can seem an eternity!

Thank you, Giotto

Just got scared on second ;-). Saw one Mamasan out in Bangna one time that was a 9 or 10, but didn´t ask for her. Not far from Novotel Bangna Hotell as I remember. Next time I will at least try if I see some I like.

Guys:

Will be back in Bangkok in April for a couple of nights after an absence of two years. It's a town that I used to know quite well, but my knowledge is dated and probably irrelevant now. I will be staying in the area around Patpong and, as I only have two days, will probably not travel around very much. Any new bars on Patpong 1 or 2 that haven't been reported on here?

Thanks,

GE

[QUOTE=Bounce Around]...
I picked the hotel based on forum members; was a bit reluctant of Livingstones, though obviously he has a nice niche and being active on the forum helps; unlike the china forums i don't see many price hike or over paying flamming on this forum, because i guess a lot of BSDs come to Thailand and supply/demand issues are different... Being a forum oriented service provider i'm sure he keeps things competitive. will try to check his place out.

Paying 4000LT plus bar fine which is i guess the high end of the reported range in this forum i think is too much, so i guess i'll just be going to Soi 33 for a look; Paying that much for a good soapie and bed slide would be acceptable i guess.
...
[/QUOTE]Bounce Around,

Don't worry too much about Soi 33 and the prices! Livingstone's Lodge is mainly a hotel, the Sports Lounge is just an add-on to this hotel. If you like it or other bars in Soi 33 - go there. But if you prefer Soi Cowboy or Soi Nana - it is just 10 min. from here with a taxi.

It is up to you what kind of entertainment you prefer. Some of our customers staying here never step into the Sports Lounge. That's absolutely ok!


Giotto

[QUOTE=Globoid]...
Just got scared on second ;-). Saw one Mamasan out in Bangna one time that was a 9 or 10, but didn´t ask for her. Not far from Novotel Bangna Hotell as I remember. Next time I will at least try if I see some I like.[/QUOTE]Globoid,

Go ahead, try it out - and let us know the outcome :) !


Giotto

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]...
your questions are really entertaining, I can't wait to see what question you will be coming up with next.[/QUOTE]NicFrenchy,

We had that already :) ... you are obviously stressed. Go to an Oil Massage Place, relax, and give us a detailed report afterwards :)!

Or just come in for a beer or two, the Sports Lounge is smoke-free now :):):).


Giotto

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Will be back in Bangkok in April for a couple of nights after an absence of two years. It's a town that I used to know quite well, but my knowledge is dated and probably irrelevant now. I will be staying in the area around Patpong and, as I only have two days, will probably not travel around very much. Any new bars on Patpong 1 or 2 that haven't been reported on here?[/QUOTE]I think you will find that Bangkok has not changed as much in the last two years as you may think. The best bar in Patpong is probably still "Electric Blue" since it is one of few bars in Patpong that doesn't suffer from an over-abundance of ladyboys and pushy mamasans. I also think that "Star of Light" is the best blowjob bar in Bangkok. The price is 700 baht for BJ only or 1,000 baht for full service.

There are a couple of fairly new bars near Electric Blue, but they don't appear very interesting to me. And there are still all of the King's Castle and Queen's Castle bars--some of these are 100% ladyboys and some are a mixture of ladyboys and real girls. I can never remember which is which, so I just avoid them all and go to the smaller, quieter bars that have real girls.

And obviously you already know to ignore the touts on the street who try to take you upstairs to see the "ping pong show" or "sex show". Most of the upstairs bars are clip joints that survive by ripping off un-informed tourists.

That's all I know about Patpong. I am far from an expert, so maybe someone else on here can chime in if there are any more recommended bars in the area.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan]It took 90 minutes to get thru![/QUOTE]Wow, 90 minutes, you were lucky. It took me 120 minutes and I stood there thinking how much I miss the Philippines. At least in the Philippines they have lines and there is some sort of order. In BKK, it seemed like everyone just moved up until they arrived at the counter. On arrival the flight attendent said what section to go to, but I didn't hear right and I think I went to the wrong area.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]
Rbamane, your questions are really entertaining, I can't wait to see what question you will be coming up with next.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I am usually a very creative person!

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Sean EZ,

Of those Giotto mentioned, I would suggest Forte, G-Club, Caribbean Dance Club as good options to check out. To that, I would add the Pent and Hollywood Club. All of these places are more Thai/Asian crowds predominently, so keep that in mind, and like Giotto says .. beauty is in the eye of the beholder. They fall under the Gentlemen's, Members club, Coyote club umbrella. You gotta earn the girls, so to speak and it's not like Nana, Soi Cowboy or Patpong. A slightly different scene. I heard good things about Piano, but have not been there.

Like anywhere in BKK, things go in cycles and of course timing is everything. I think these places are worth a look, since they usually have their share of head turners. Google them or You-Tube em' to get a picture in your head.

AT2[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Giotto]Sean EZ,

Pegasus Club, Forte, G-Club, Caribean, Tango - there are so many, and I am also not sure whether all mentioned clubs still exist. I don't go there often.

Quality - what is quality? If you are looking for sexual experience and techniques I think you are always better off in massage parlours - and you can save a lot of money. If you are looking for stunners you might find some younger and more beautiful girls there, but you can also be lucky in Rainbow 4 in Soi Nana. Furthermore beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Then many of those "high class" clubs are catering for Asian customers, local Thais, and their idea about a stunner can be different from ours.

To be honest - I cannot answer your question.


Giotto[/QUOTE]

Thank you very much for your responses gentlemen. By quality I meant stunners. Some of the places you mentioned have annual membership fees. Giotto, you mentioned Nana Disco in your earlier reports, is it worth a visit?

[QUOTE=Sean EZ]By quality I meant stunners. Some of the places you mentioned have annual membership fees. Giotto, you mentioned Nana Disco in your earlier reports, is it worth a visit?[/QUOTE]Sean EZ,

In my POV it is definitely NOT worth a visit. But - in Bangkok you can be lucky everywhere - and find a stunner even there. But highly unlikely.

For me being stunning has not only to do with the look but also with how a woman carries herself, her behavior, general style, the way she communicates etc. etc. . This girls you will definitely NOT find there.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Sean EZ]Thank you very much for your responses gentlemen. By quality I meant stunners. Some of the places you mentioned have annual membership fees. Giotto, you mentioned Nana Disco in your earlier reports, is it worth a visit?[/QUOTE]

Sean EZ,

That's what I meant. There are some stunners there for me, but others might feel otherwise, and that's why Giotto and I said beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you need any proof, see the pic thread. Of course, every night is different and a YMMV situation. Like anywhere else there's a mix of 6's and 7's and if you are lucky a few stunners. What you won't see, are many 3's and 4's like you do everywhere else. See the link. Pics 2, 3 and 5 are the type you might find at Forte, G-Club, Caribbean Dance Club, Hollywood and the last pic reminds me of one of the girls I met at the Pent.

You do not need to buy a membership, so don't let that scare you off. But do expect to pay 1.5K to 2K baht for drinks (yours and the girls) and the girls time during 2 hours at a place like the Pent. You need to get the girls number and work out the details with her for an after work hours hookup. No guarantees in these places. You might be able to get one of them for 2K baht and maybe not.

[url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=699751#post699751]Pics[/url]

I found that the value of the posts and reviews are that they highlight places you may want to try. But the bottom line is you need to try them for yourself, since tastes vary way to much to depend on reviews alone. In that post that I linked, I was a little ticked by all the price and ratings talk, because it's such a useless debate. So excuse the rant.

By the way, it's easy enough to find these places, check them out and still get back to Soi Cowboy or NEP if you don't find anything you like or don't like the concepts.

Peace,
AT2

[QUOTE=Robbaf]Wow, 90 minutes, you were lucky. It took me 120 minutes and I stood there thinking how much I miss the Philippines. At least in the Philippines they have lines and there is some sort of order. In BKK, it seemed like everyone just moved up until they arrived at the counter. On arrival the flight attendent said what section to go to, but I didn't hear right and I think I went to the wrong area.[/QUOTE]

Damn! What time of the day did you guys get in? I have never had to wait more than 30 minutes in BKK. Tops for me, was a 60 minute queue in Tokyo.

AT2

[QUOTE=Bounce Around]Thanks for the info; and your other posts. I am looking forward to the trip and was also getting quite a sticker shock issue similar to Daddy San; because my next stop is China, and the mongering there is cheaper, though obviously quality/service is different (not good or bad, just culturally different).

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Paying 4000LT plus bar fine which is i guess the high end of the reported range in this forum i think is too much, so i guess i'll just be going to Soi 33 for a look; Paying that much for a good soapie and bed slide would be acceptable i guess.

Can get a lot of fair skinned girls in China, though the Thai fair skin seems nice as well; personally looking forward to some of the darker girls.

If you are going to be around, do drop a line, maybe we can meet up.[/QUOTE]

Don't worry about the sticker shock. There's a lot of action to be had for 2,000 baht and below. Lots! Even in the Soapies, there's a good selection for 1,700 to 2,400 baht in many of them. Nataree, Colonze II, and Catherine are all good value spots.

Obviously, China at this point is cheaper and it can be fun. BKK is much more in your face, and offers a different vibe. I also think the sheer number of different types of venues and options add to the fun.

I don't have any dates lined up yet, but I do want to get to BKK no later than July if possible. When are you going to be there?

AT2

[QUOTE=Rbamane]Thanks AT2 and others for the replies.

Thanks AT2 for sharing your routine... I am in BKK only till the next afternoon and was planning to visit the floating market in the morning ... is it worth it or would you rather do Sabai Sabai :) ?

I do come back for couple nights after 2 weeks - the weekend of 29 Feb though....

-R.[/QUOTE]

Rbamane,

I must say, you do make me laugh. Hey, if you need the floating market thing as a cover story for the wife or GF back home, or if your balls would just burst if you did not do the tourist thing, then do it. Now, knowing you only have one night, I might suggest another itinerary. One that might give you a better head start on your next visit the weekend of Feb 29th.

If you can get to your hotel and check in by midnight, and get a quick shower. I would suggest going to Soi Cowboy and hope that you catch the bars before they close. Take a taxi, so you don't waste time. Traffic should not be gridlock as it is during primetime hours. Find a girl with a good personality for LT and who would not mind riding around. This is optional and you can take a chance that you find a freelancer later.

Take a cab from Soi Cowboy down to NEP and on the way, have the girl or cab driver point out Asoke station as a point of reference. That's the station you will use on your return visit to see one of the Soapy's (MRT Subway and not the BTS Skytrain). When you end up at NEP, walk around the area and soak in the vibe, check out the Nana car park, watch the last remants of the Nana disco crowd, pick up some food in the Nana Coffee shop or from any of the food carts that liter the area. People watch.

Take a cab over to Soi 11 and if you see the 7-11 across the Ambassador hotel, Sabai Sabai is right behind it. It's a dark lane, so not so comforting to walk back there for a newbie in the early hours. Since you have the girl in tow, I'm just pointing it out, in case you do need a plan B, C or D. In the Ambassador to the left of the lobby area, there's an after hours club called Spice and that is open till 4am. It's in the basement/parking garage level and not lobby level. There's a staircase that they rope off, but there's usually someone there that will let you in/down. You may not get much sleep, but you can always do that on the plane. The Tunnel Club, I hear, is also open after hours sometimes. I have not gone there during those times, so I'm only going by what I have heard on that one.

About 3am, take the girl back to the hotel with you and time for fun! Of course, if she starts getting antsy early, you may want to scrap all of the above and get straight to business. Get up early in the morning and go to the floating market if you choose. Don't fall asleep and fall into the water. But if you do, please give us a full report! (Joke). If you get done early enough or if your flight is late enough in the afternoon, you may just have time to catch a massage at Tulip, Thonglor, Akane or Angels.

The contingency plan, if you get in too late, would be to hit the NEP area and see if you can catch a freelancer or go to Sabai Sabai and do a take out. If not, I'm sure Giotto will save a girl or two for you.

AT2

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]
I must say, you do make me laugh. Hey, if you need the floating market thing as a cover story for the wife or GF back home...
[/QUOTE]
You got it right - I do need it as a cover story and some for my touristy-curiosity.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]
If you can get to your hotel and check in by midnight, ...
[/QUOTE]
I land at midnight, so I think I will have to follow your late-arrival plan.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]
People watch.
[/QUOTE]
I love doing that!

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]
Take a cab over to Soi 11 and if you see the 7-11 across the Ambassador hotel, Sabai Sabai is right behind it. It's a dark lane, so not so comforting to walk back there for a newbie in the early hours.
[/QUOTE]
This certainly helps, even if I come here later :)

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]
Don't fall asleep and fall into the water. But if you do, please give us a full report! (Joke).
[/QUOTE]
Now you made me laugh, you have a funny sense of humor!

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]
If you get done early enough or if your flight is late enough in the afternoon, you may just have time to catch a massage at Tulip, Thonglor, Akane or Angels.
[/QUOTE]
From the reports, Akane and Tulip have interested me - so mebbe I'll checkout one of these...

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]
The contingency plan, if you get in too late, would be to hit the NEP area and see if you can catch a freelancer or go to Sabai Sabai and do a take out.
[/QUOTE]
Looks like this is what I may have to do, of course I will consult the Lord himself - Lord Giotto!

BTW, does Sabai Sabai also have a fishbowl (like others) for take out?

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]
I'm sure Giotto will save a girl or two for you.
[/QUOTE]
Thanks Giotto!

[QUOTE=Rbamane]...
Looks like this is what I may have to do, of course I will consult the Lord himself - Lord Giotto!
...
[/QUOTE]Rbamane,

Oh my god, the next title - LORD! How will all this end :) ...

Just for information to everybody, and because I get a lot of PMs about this issue:

I generally do NOT select a girl for a customer and let her wait for a late arrival. If it is possible we keep the bar open a bit longer, that a customer who is arriving late can still go there and meet some girls. But that is all what I can do. And if it is too late - sorry, there is a certain time when all the customers and girls have left, and then the bar will be closed.


Giotto

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Don't worry about the sticker shock. There's a lot of action to be had for 2,000 baht and below. Lots! Even in the Soapies, there's a good selection for 1,700 to 2,400 baht in many of them. Nataree, Colonze II, and Catherine are all good value spots.

Obviously, China at this point is cheaper and it can be fun. BKK is much more in your face, and offers a different vibe. I also think the sheer number of different types of venues and options add to the fun.

I don't have any dates lined up yet, but I do want to get to BKK no later than July if possible. When are you going to be there?

AT2[/QUOTE]I'm not an EXPERT on the Chinese market like some here; however, I have lived in China from 2004 to 2008. I am yet to find a soapy-bed-massage, 2 girls in Guangdong or Beijing. Going for 2000 Baht = 486RMB like in BKK. [1RMB=4. 11Baht]

Chinese girls are plain ugly comparing to Thai. No doubt! Then, they can't fuck. Or blow. No service at all, and were born without a smile.comparing China with Thailand is like comparing an ugly rock to a diamond.

So far, best money value in BKK is "The Eden", tel Bruce that Lou (another French) recommended you the place.

Dream world? Thai you want to marry? "Pegasus" in THE place!

[QUOTE=FreebieFan]Well I can't tell you about the time to get your bag if you are on a late night flight but two sundays ago I arrived at about lunchtime. I had a hot date waiting to be met and I happily strolled up the short ramp before customs. To be greeted by a queue of thousands. Every line was totally jammed. I selected the "shortest" line that had over 65 people in it. I counted.

And of course it was the line with the trainee customs person. Its always the trainee whatever line you select.

It took 90 minutes to get thru!

But, I arrived at the carousel expecting to pick up my bag and be gone. I saw people waiting for their bags looking very frustrated. Then the carousel started.

Sure enough, the plane had been parked a long long way away and it had also taken 90 minutes for bags to get sorted and placed on carousel.

Maybe it was a rare off day. Or a Sunday. Or whatever but when you have a hot date waiting in BKK and your stuck in the airport at Customs, 90minutes can seem an eternity![/QUOTE]
I had the same dreadful experience arriving around the same time, 12 am, on a normal weekday in January.. seems that they do not have enough staff at immigration, which is a pity for such a new airport. I saw a lot of "ordinary", I mean non-monger, tourists very frustrated by their first contact with the so called LOS. Noone smiled.. But, as always, once you are through and your mongering activiteis starts, everything is forgotten.. But if I have a choice, i'll try to arrive at night next time, and follow AT2 routine which looks great...

Paying more than 1200 Baht for one shot in BKK, is totally stupid, unless the girls is a real stunner.

I pulled this gorgeous little model from Pegasus, kept her all night = 2000 Baht.
We are now friends, and she comes back once or twice a week for the whole night = 1000 baht. A true stunner, and real good at it.

Sex wise, I am not shy to say that I have never -ever - tipped anyone.

[QUOTE=Dreams]I had the same dreadful experience arriving around the same time, 12 am, on a normal weekday in January.. seems that they do not have enough staff at immigration, which is a pity for such a new airport. I saw a lot of "ordinary", I mean non-monger, tourists very frustrated by their first contact with the so called LOS. Noone smiled.. But, as always, once you are through and your mongering activiteis starts, everything is forgotten.. But if I have a choice, i'll try to arrive at night next time, and follow AT2 routine which looks great...[/QUOTE]

How true. All those European and Eastern European starry-eyed visitors having to stand for hours to get in, then get to their destination, and then look at temples and elephants. Poor bastards. I on the other hand queue, get my pre-arranged taxi to Pattaya for 800 baht, and 2 hours later I am up to my nuts in guts. It's tiresome queuing, but the rewards are huge.

Pete

I always arrive sometime between 11-12 pm coming from the States. If you walk fast (ie, faster than the rest of your flight) you will be the first or second person in line at passport control. They usually have 6-8 lanes open and it goes very fast compared to some other airports I've seen. I've waited over 2 1/2 hrs in the "cattle chutes" at Heathrow before with only 3 agents working and one of those left for lunch! (a riot almost ensued when the 3rd agent left and some Australian guys went berserk)

I've never experienced any of the midday problems at night. You are thru immigration, customs, get your luggage, change some money and get a cab in under 30 minutes. Maybe the one benefit of arriving late.

[QUOTE=Rbamane]BTW, does Sabai Sabai also have a fishbowl (like others) for take out?
[/QUOTE]

Rbamane,

Sabai Sabai does not have a fishbowl. It's an oil massage place. You will most likely have a small selection of girls at that time of the night, so look for a freelancer first. Sabai Sabai provides an oil massage and hj on premises. They have 20 or more girls during the day, but very few between 2am and 8am. Some, but not all, of the girls provide FS when they go to your hotel. It's mostly a backup plan as a 24/7 option.

The freelancer route is better, since you get to choose, and of course FS is the norm. If you can get to Soi Cowboy by 2:00am, you can see what's still around and if not make your way to NEP and see what's left there. Girls who have not hooked up, hang around for a bit (eat, see if they get lucky, etc.). If you run into the 90 to 120 minute nightmare at immigration that the other posters described, that would be a pity. Has it really gotten that bad at the new airport recently or were they describing the lines when it first opened?

By the way .. I was joking with the Giotto line. Don't want to get him in trouble with a bunch of guys ordering girls via e-mail for a early morning pickup! Sorry G!

AT2

Giotto,

Do not worry - I am cool about stuff like this and I do respect your rules for your customers and the gals.

I'll see you soon.

Happy Valentines!

-R.


[QUOTE=Giotto]Rbamane,

Oh my god, the next title - LORD! How will all this end :) ...

Just for information to everybody, and because I get a lot of PMs about this issue:

I generally do NOT select a girl for a customer and let her wait for a late arrival. If it is possible we keep the bar open a bit longer, that a customer who is arriving late can still go there and meet some girls. But that is all what I can do. And if it is too late - sorry, there is a certain time when all the customers and girls have left, and then the bar will be closed.


Giotto[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Giotto]Sean EZ,

In my POV it is definitely NOT worth a visit. But - in Bangkok you can be lucky everywhere - and find a stunner even there. But highly unlikely.

For me being stunning has not only to do with the look but also with how a woman carries herself, her behavior, general style, the way she communicates etc. etc. . This girls you will definitely NOT find there.


Giotto[/QUOTE]


I have been popping my head into NANA disco whenever I am in BKK for over 10 yrs now. On occassions I have run into girls that I would classify as 'stunners' (and if you knew me you would know my standards are a bit high). Some of these girls 'graduated' and moved onto the international circuit (i.e working in Hong Kong and Singapore) and guys pay 2-300 USD ST to be with them. To be successful in the international scene you can't be a country bumpkin.

The last day (and installment) of my trip report. It will make more sense if you've read the previous parts before tackling this one. As always, the pages should be read in order - it begins with B001 (no A001), C001, D001, etc.

Here's the link to [URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=703316&postcount=1260]Part 3[/URL] and it has links to Part 1 and Part 2.

Five days after I returned to the U.S., I began planning my next trip to LOS. I'll be back for two weeks in March.

Evil

[QUOTE=Infomatic]Paying more than 1200 Baht for one shot in BKK, is totally stupid, unless the girls is a real stunner.

I pulled this gorgeous little model from Pegasus, kept her all night = 2000 Baht.
We are now friends, and she comes back once or twice a week for the whole night = 1000 baht. A true stunner, and real good at it.

Sex wise, I am not shy to say that I have never -ever - tipped anyone.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more.

Pricing is getting out of hand. My regular TG who is no stunner is pulling up to 2500ST, sometimes for less than 30 minutes in the room!?

2 out of 5 punters don't have FS, many just want a lady to take to gogo joints to make selections easier. WTF?

Lets keep the prices down and reward performance with tips, so they get the idea.

Tuck

[QUOTE=Infomatic]Paying more than 1200 Baht for one shot in BKK, is totally stupid, unless the girls is a real stunner.

I pulled this gorgeous little model from Pegasus, kept her all night = 2000 Baht.
We are now friends, and she comes back once or twice a week for the whole night = 1000 baht. A true stunner, and real good at it.

Sex wise, I am not shy to say that I have never -ever - tipped anyone.[/QUOTE]I have found what I feel are hot ladies on the street around the NEP area for 1000 to 1200 Baht. But whether or not these would be considered as "stunners" is a matter of definition and taste. While not perfect, I'd grade them as 8 to 9 out of a possible 10 in looks. Service and attitude, though is another matter.

To pick up on a comment from a few days ago,

Why are punters paying 2.5K for ST?
ST is 1 - 1.5K in BKK.

My regular TG is no stunner, maybe a 5. She is getting up to 2.5K for less than 30 minutes actual room time. WTF is going on gentlemen?

Sure, she is great in bed, but customers are agreeing to these rates before leaving the bar.

The less she likes the look of someone, the more she ups the rate.....and often gets it.
She was barfined 24 times in January and sent 50K home to the family!

Keep the rates low for christ's sake, tip for good performances which should suit everyone.

Arghhhh!

Tuck

Rachada is boring to death. In the meaning of streetwalkers. Anyone knowing better in the Rachada area?

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Damn! What time of the day did you guys get in? I have never had to wait more than 30 minutes in BKK. Tops for me, was a 60 minute queue in Tokyo.AT2[/QUOTE]I arrived on a Saturday in Jan at 1300. I just left Bangkok yesterday and it took me 6 minutes to get through to leave. They had 5 agents working. I guess they want us to leave fast, but they know no matter how long we wait on arrival, we still have time to spend our money.
My last night was awesome, my Thai contractor took me out to Patpong and showed me some awesome spots.

I will post a FR (with pics) soon.

After 25 days in Thailand, I need to rest.

Robb

[QUOTE=Infomatic]Chinese girls are plain ugly comparing to Thai. No doubt! Then, they can't fuck. Or blow. No service at all, and were born without a smile.comparing China with Thailand is like comparing an ugly rock to a diamond.[/QUOTE]Chinese girls are ugly? W T F!

I have never been to China but I can assure you that the Chinese girls you see in Singapore are diamonds amongst the diamonds!

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Rbamane,

Sabai Sabai does not have a fishbowl. It's an oil massage place. You will most likely have a small selection of girls at that time of the night, so look for a freelancer first. Sabai Sabai provides an oil massage and hj on premises. They have 20 or more girls during the day, but very few between 2am and 8am. Some, but not all, of the girls provide FS when they go to your hotel. It's mostly a backup plan as a 24/7 option.

The freelancer route is better, since you get to choose, and of course FS is the norm. If you can get to Soi Cowboy by 2:00am, you can see what's still around and if not make your way to NEP and see what's left there. Girls who have not hooked up, hang around for a bit (eat, see if they get lucky, etc.). If you run into the 90 to 120 minute nightmare at immigration that the other posters described, that would be a pity. Has it really gotten that bad at the new airport recently or were they describing the lines when it first opened?

By the way .. I was joking with the Giotto line. Don't want to get him in trouble with a bunch of guys ordering girls via e-mail for a early morning pickup! Sorry G!

AT2[/QUOTE]They are some pretty girls in SabaiSabai in the night-shift. However, some of them ask a ridiculous 2000Bht for a BJ. If you ask them why they want that much they answer that "girls in other MP's have HIV" (yeah, right...).

What sometimes irritates me in SabaiSabai are the customers that talk too much and too loudly to each other. Last week two Frenchmen had a conversation, each from his own cubicle (and I was in the cubicle between them). The day after two Indians did the same.

I recommended the manager to hang a board "Silence please" in the massage area.

[QUOTE=Infomatic]I'm not an EXPERT on the Chinese market like some here; however, I have lived in China from 2004 to 2008. I am yet to find a soapy-bed-massage, 2 girls in Guangdong or Beijing. Going for 2000 Baht = 486RMB like in BKK. [1RMB=4. 11Baht]

Chinese girls are plain ugly comparing to Thai. No doubt! Then, they can't fuck. Or blow. No service at all, and were born without a smile.comparing China with Thailand is like comparing an ugly rock to a diamond.

So far, best money value in BKK is "The Eden", tel Bruce that Lou (another French) recommended you the place.

Dream world? Thai you want to marry? "Pegasus" in THE place![/QUOTE]Iinfomatic,

There are body slide and bed massage in china and but skill is not as good as in Bangkok or Pattaya , Hong kong and macau sauna have thai girl offer this service and I also got this service in Zhu hai and Chongqing by PRC .

I agree thai girl have hotter body and are better in bed but I disagree girl in china is ugly and you never try a sauna in china that offer a 90 min 10 course menu either .

Fast Eddie 48

I was in Bangkok in early January and booked out two girls from the Eden Club to my hotel.

Three weeks later I developed an intense itching and was diagnosed with Crab Lice. I then remembered that one of the girls was itching all night - and in the morning she was washing with feminine wash.

What is irritating is not that I got crab lice - what is irritating is that the girl new something was wrong and she still came out with me. If Eden is so careful with STD checks - then this should not happen!

[QUOTE=Dezi Guy]What is irritating is not that I got crab lice - what is irritating is that the girl new something was wrong and she still came out with me. If Eden is so careful with STD checks - then this should not happen![/QUOTE]So, If I understand you correctly, for Eden to be careful about STD's they would have to look up the Girl's Pussies at the beginning of each Shift, Hire a nurse for STD's Checks in the Morning?

If they would even agree to do that, Girls would have to start at 7 am in order for the place to open on time (12h30), these girls have families so it won't be possible.

Don't be silly, Checks are done Weekly or monthly, The CLUB is not to blame, the girl is, she should have come forward to the management and talk about her "Itchiness" which would probably have resulted in a few days off for her along with a considerable loss of income.

It will be my first time in Thailand, and I am figuring out which area would be best to reserve my hotel room. I've read about both area, but it would be great to get the forum's opinion on the subject.

I've been reading up on Nana Hotel and Tai Pan. Any thoughts?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Dezi Guy]I was in Bangkok in early January and booked out two girls from the Eden Club to my hotel.

Three weeks later I developed an intense itching and was diagnosed with Crab Lice. I then remembered that one of the girls was itching all night - and in the morning she was washing with feminine wash.

What is irritating is not that I got crab lice - what is irritating is that the girl new something was wrong and she still came out with me. If Eden is so careful with STD checks - then this should not happen![/QUOTE]

Hi,
they typically are really clean. And the hygenic wash you will se with many TGs as they fanatic for cleanliness.
You shure it was not the hotel? Where did you stay?

If you are still shure just let them know in the Eden Club, they will take care of you some way and make up for it.
Good luck,
Mike

[QUOTE=Dezi Guy]I was in Bangkok in early January and booked out two girls from the Eden Club to my hotel.

Three weeks later I developed an intense itching and was diagnosed with Crab Lice. I then remembered that one of the girls was itching all night - and in the morning she was washing with feminine wash.

What is irritating is not that I got crab lice - what is irritating is that the girl new something was wrong and she still came out with me. If Eden is so careful with STD checks - then this should not happen![/QUOTE]

I would tend to agree with Michi that Thai girls are really a frantic on cleanliness and possibly the girl was itching all night because of bed bug or something else in your bed. This might of been the cause of your crab lice which you contracted, which I'm sorry to hear!

Where did you stay and for how long?

[QUOTE=Infomatic]I'm not an EXPERT on the Chinese market like some here; however, I have lived in China from 2004 to 2008. I am yet to find a soapy-bed-massage, 2 girls in Guangdong or Beijing. Going for 2000 Baht = 486RMB like in BKK. [1RMB=4. 11Baht]

Chinese girls are plain ugly comparing to Thai. No doubt! Then, they can't fuck. Or blow. No service at all, and were born without a smile.comparing China with Thailand is like comparing an ugly rock to a diamond.[/QUOTE]Have to disagree, have had wonderful service in China and a lot of fun, including BBJs and CIMs. True they don't get down lesbian/bi style; at least i haven't found any.

Its my first time to Thailand and am hopefully going to get some good comparisons down! :)

Where do you get 2 girls for 2000 baht? (you can get two girls ST for <500RMB in SZ)

I've read people pulling girls from Eden and other MPs, how does that work? Do you wait for her after work or do you settle something with the management?

[QUOTE=Owl_]I would tend to agree with Michi that Thai girls are really a frantic on cleanliness and possibly the girl was itching all night because of bed bug or something else in your bed. This might of been the cause of your crab lice which you contracted, which I'm sorry to hear!

Where did you stay and for how long?[/QUOTE]

You cannot catch crabs from bed linen, clothing, toilets or anywhere else, except pubic hair.

If he's got it, he got it from a sex partner.

[QUOTE=Dezi Guy]Three weeks later I developed an intense itching and was diagnosed with Crab Lice...If Eden is so careful with STD checks - then this should not happen![/QUOTE]Maybe she got them from the guy just before you?

Take a bath and soap up with Lindane. You'll be fine.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindane[/url]

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]You cannot catch crabs from bed linen, clothing, toilets or anywhere else, except pubic hair.

If he's got it, he got it from a sex partner.[/QUOTE]

This is not entirely true (although in all probability, he got lice from sex). See this little educational site on lice from the world famous Mayo Clinic:

[url]http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lice/DS00368/DSECTION=1[/url]

Note that they say "Sexual contact or contact with infected clothing, bedding or even toilet seats can spread pubic lice."

ok, arriving at suvarnabhumi airport was simple. choice of taxi or airport express bus (aeb). taxi is 250 baht (meter and tolls) with no traffic (early am hours) or 350 baht normally. i selected the aeb at 150 baht since it stops pretty much everywhere.

airport arrival

go to gate 8 for on the first floor for the aeb. 2 routes available and after getting on the girl who punches your ticket might ask you where you are going. whether or not she asks, you have to tell her the street so she will tell the driver to make your stop. good thing to mention it directly to the driver too so he is clear.

hotel

arrive at my brand new hotel "lub d" for 385 baht dormitory bunk. super clean and nice. it's across the street from the sofitel. after walking around ""post-shopping" for price i disovered that expensive places are a rip. there plenty of better priced hotels that just aren't online. china inn is only 1200 baht and really nice home-like hotel. there's even a 200 baht per night motel in front of patpong ii although i didn't bother checking it you i can imagine it used for other purposes mostly. learned that laststays.com and wotif.com are the best at price bookings. they gave me the best price by taking out breakfast.

shopping

holy shit patpong is a fucking rip. the prices are insane. a t-shirt quoted to me at 350 baht i knew was 200 baht (not the 100 crappy baht t-shirts, i am talking about the higher quality ones in canisters) the fucker wouldn't budge below 300 baht even when i said i didn't need the canister. he said i was "first customer no problem he give me good price". for those of you who are not se asian. first customer means he has to rip you a bit. there are those that belive if they have an early sale and make a good profit from it that they will have good luck in sales the rest of the day. unfortunately i was leaving in several hours and didn't have time so i managed 400 baht for 2 shirts although the other shirt was girls t-shirt so i should've only paid 300 for both. i gave him the benefit in this sale by a bit. many of the merchants are overcharging everything. 250 baht for simpsons underwear i just bought yesterday at mbk for 100.

siam square and mbk remain the best shopping venues imo.

star of light

ok so i checked it out and the girls look the same as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] (only good for dick sucking). performance was the same as well, very enjoyable. 700 baht and 200 for tip.

jc infinity

took a standard girl for 1900. kind mechanical and sucky. although there was a reason for this. i hurt her in doggy style but she never mentioned it and until she suggested i stop to finish myself (then i knew) but i laughed and finished with her missionary. i am kinda bigger than normal and this is a common thing i go through but she should have said something. i tipped her 500 baht for being a trooper. the sideline girls were. bleh. but before walking out i decided to go back to look again since the selection was low when i entered at 4:30. oh wow. there 2 supermodels on the floor and wow. i was stunned for the first time speechless. mind you. i have taken the supermodel girls from catherines before and was very impressed but there were these 2 girls who were completely amazing including the way they were treating the 2 japanese guys they were with. smiling and laughing and keeping them treated like kings. beee-eeauuu-tiiiii-fuullll. i still am not going to pay 5000 baht for 2 hours though. maybe if i was rich but alas i am not.

nana plaza

bad discovery. saw a couple of post-op lady boys dancing in one of the spots on the 2nd floor (rainbow? ) other customers were in denial but specific signs were very apparent if you know what to look for. they were good post-ops but not good enough for me. saw a gorgeous chick outside and approached her but her soft voice gave her away as a lady-boy. wow. best one i'd ever seen. couldn't tell by looking at him/her in the slightest including bone structure. if it wasn't for the voice i never would have guessed (maybe if i had seen naked maybe).

good realization. still many beautiful girls hahah which leads to an enjoyable time. costs. i only drink coke ad its about 90-130 baht for a coke. the barfines are 600 baht. didn't take a girl since it'd be over my budget.

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[QUOTE=Gamma Beta]It will be my first time in Thailand, and I am figuring out which area would be best to reserve my hotel room. I've read about both area, but it would be great to get the forum's opinion on the subject.

I've been reading up on Nana Hotel and Tai Pan. Any thoughts?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]The areas is very near. 40 bath taxi between the places. So it dosnt matter where u will live. But i think Nana Plaza is the best place. But every night when we go out party we always go to both Nana Plaza and Soi cowboy. And then u have Patpong to. It is little bit far away and not so many good a-gogo bar.

[QUOTE=Infomatic]Rachada is boring to death. In the meaning of streetwalkers. Anyone knowing better in the Rachada area?[/QUOTE]I lived there for longer time. There is alot of good clubs there. Go to Inch Club behind the supermarket in Soi 7.

[QUOTE=Forest]This is not entirely true (although in all probability, he got lice from sex). See this little educational site on lice from the world famous Mayo Clinic:

[url]http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lice/DS00368/DSECTION=1[/url]

Note that they say "Sexual contact or contact with infected clothing, bedding or even toilet seats can spread pubic lice."[/QUOTE]

Perhaps. But, they can't live very long outside their preferred environment. So, it would have to be fairly grotty conditions to catch them from sheets, a toilet etc.

Question: My flight lands at BKK at 9pm and I fly out the next morning at 8am.

I don't want to hang out out the airport all night, so I was thinking about heading into town for some action, maybe pulling an all nighter.

I've never been to Eden and I want to check it out but my concern is it will be too late at night. I'm I right? I guess it will still be open but the selection will be lacking.

Any other late night recommendations?

[QUOTE=Owl_]I would tend to agree with Michi that Thai girls are really a frantic on cleanliness and possibly the girl was itching all night because of bed bug or something else in your bed. This might of been the cause of your crab lice which you contracted, which I'm sorry to hear!

Where did you stay and for how long?[/QUOTE]I was at the Westin - so I doubt that cleanliness was an issue. I'm pretty sure I got it from that girl.

I've travelled to Thailand many times over the years. May be I'm a bit jaded or experienced, but I find I settle into my familiar routine when there. Hence I need your help. For my forthcoming trip I'll be accompanied by a friend. He's never experienced mongering, barely travelled overseas and can't conceptualise what he's about to encounter. For that reason I'd like to make his trip very, very memorable. We'll stay in Nana Plaza. Please, any and all suggestions on where I can take him that will completely and utterly challenge him sexually would be greatly appreciated. Same message posted in Pattaya forum.

[QUOTE=Kalahari George]where I can take him that will completely and utterly challenge him sexually would be greatly appreciated. Same message posted in Pattaya forum.[/QUOTE]If you want to kill him on his first day then I would suggest:

1. Wake him up at 8am
2. Have Breakfast
3. Head to SOL (the Star of Light on Patpong 2) for an Early Morning Blowjob to clean the Pipes (Approx Cost: 1500)
4. Do Some Shopping at MBK, Have lunch
5. Head to the Eden Club at 13:00 for a Dynamic Duo Performance (Cost: 5000)
6. Rest a little
7. Head to TULIP MAssage for a Massage + No Hole Barred Sex Experience (2800 Thb)

If your friend can Walk straight after such a day, I will be impressed!

[QUOTE=Gamma Beta]It will be my first time in Thailand, and I am figuring out which area would be best to reserve my hotel room. I've read about both area, but it would be great to get the forum's opinion on the subject.

I've been reading up on Nana Hotel and Tai Pan. Any thoughts?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you want to be in the middle of the action, then I think the former might be the better choice because of the many street walkers. It depends on what you prefer, being in the middle of it as soon as you walk out the door, or having to travel a bit to get there.

Why not do a search on the hotels in the hotels in BKK thread, and see whether you'ld prefer NEP or Cowboy, since NEP is across the street from Nana hotel while the latter is close to Soi Cowboy's bars.

[QUOTE=Gamma Beta]It will be my first time in Thailand, and I am figuring out which area would be best to reserve my hotel room. I've read about both area, but it would be great to get the forum's opinion on the subject.

I've been reading up on Nana Hotel and Tai Pan. Any thoughts?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Nana and Cowboy are fairly close to each other, you can walk it, so stay any where in between or nearer one to the other. You can also get the sky train between the two if you want.

[QUOTE=Kalahari George]I've travelled to Thailand many times over the years. May be I'm a bit jaded or experienced, but I find I settle into my familiar routine when there. Hence I need your help. For my forthcoming trip I'll be accompanied by a friend. He's never experienced mongering, barely travelled overseas and can't conceptualise what he's about to encounter. For that reason I'd like to make his trip very, very memorable. We'll stay in Nana Plaza. Please, any and all suggestions on where I can take him that will completely and utterly challenge him sexually would be greatly appreciated. Same message posted in Pattaya forum.[/QUOTE]


Take him to Edens that should do the trick.

Or if you want some fun you could try and set him up with a lady boy and see if he notices.

Also Long Gun on SOi Cowboy to see the show you watch your eyes when she fires the darts at the ballons .

[QUOTE=Gamma Beta]It will be my first time in Thailand, and I am figuring out which area would be best to reserve my hotel room. I've read about both area, but it would be great to get the forum's opinion on the subject.

I've been reading up on Nana Hotel and Tai Pan. Any thoughts?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Gamma, the Tai Pan, 2 years ago, was definitely NOT GF. You might want to ask if their policy has changed.

Question: I will be landing at BKK at 9pm and flying out at 8am. I don't want to hangout at the airport. So, I was thinking of pulling an all nighter in Bangkok.

I have never been to the Eden Club before. My question is would I be getting there too late to properly enjoy it?

Any other tips or suggestions for late night fun? Do places generally close up after 2am?

[QUOTE=Kalahari George]....I'll be accompanied by a friend. He's never experienced mongering, barely travelled overseas and can't conceptualise what he's about to encounter. For that reason I'd like to make his trip very, very memorable. We'll stay in Nana Plaza. Please, any and all suggestions on where I can take him that will completely and utterly challenge him sexually would be greatly appreciated. Same message posted in Pattaya forum.[/QUOTE]

I suggest that you set him up with Dao at Tulip Massage. This lady has a reputation for molesting her men with all of her holes, starting in the shower with her mouth. She is a real nymphomaniac. And she likes to make her men cum twice during the session. Which is what you need for a novice.

Premature ejaculation is almost inevitable with this pretty lady. But that only makes the guy last longer with her second time around.

You probably have to set up an appointment with Dao. She is a popular lady.

Tulip Massage is at:

806/2-3 Sukhumvit 38
(next to Thonglor Skytrain)

[QUOTE=Timps]Question: I will be landing at BKK at 9pm and flying out at 8am. I don't want to hangout at the airport. So, I was thinking of pulling an all nighter in Bangkok.

I have never been to the Eden Club before. My question is would I be getting there too late to properly enjoy it?

Any other tips or suggestions for late night fun? Do places generally close up after 2am?[/QUOTE]I don't know how late Eden stays open.- although I highly recommend it if you're able to visit it.- but after 2:00 a. M. You could check out the Thermae Coffeeshop near Sukhumvit Soi 15. Girls go there after their bars close. And there are loads of freelancers on Sukhumvit generally. You won't have any problem hooking up with one or two no matter how late you are.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]If you want to kill him on his first day then I would suggest:

1. Wake him up at 8am
2. Have Breakfast
3. Head to SOL (the Star of Light on Patpong 2) for an Early Morning Blowjob to clean the Pipes (Approx Cost: 1500)
4. Do Some Shopping at MBK, Have lunch
5. Head to the Eden Club at 13:00 for a Dynamic Duo Performance (Cost: 5000)
6. Rest a little
7. Head to TULIP MAssage for a Massage + No Hole Barred Sex Experience (2800 Thb)

If your friend can Walk straight after such a day, I will be impressed![/QUOTE]This is great advice.- but a BBBJ CIM was 700 B at Star of Light last time I was there, Eden Club is 3600 B I think for two three-hole girls (perhaps a bit more but less than 5000 B for sure); and Tulip is 800 B (for ninety minutes, I think, although that could be for sixty minutes), then you give the girl 1500 B for full service including anal.

Of course, you'll want to tip the girls at all these places so your totals will be close to the amounts NicFrenchy quoted.

[QUOTE=Timps]I have never been to the Eden Club before. My question is would I be getting there too late to properly enjoy it?

[/QUOTE]

It's not too late for Eden. I believe "last call" is around midnight. Only problem with a late-night session at Eden is you will probably see a very short line-up, almost all the ladies will have been selected by then because the "overnight take-away'' starts at 10.p.m. But it certainly is possible to have an inhouse session late at night in Eden.

Otherwise, you can barfine a girl from any of hundreds of establishments -gogo bars, beer bars, etc. Or find a free-lancer at Beer Garden, Gulliver's or even on the street. You could take her to a short-time hotel - she'll know the closest.

Evil

[QUOTE=Kalahari George]I've travelled to Thailand many times over the years. May be I'm a bit jaded or experienced, but I find I settle into my familiar routine when there. Hence I need your help. For my forthcoming trip I'll be accompanied by a friend. He's never experienced mongering, barely travelled overseas and can't conceptualise what he's about to encounter. For that reason I'd like to make his trip very, very memorable. We'll stay in Nana Plaza. Please, any and all suggestions on where I can take him that will completely and utterly challenge him sexually would be greatly appreciated. Same message posted in Pattaya forum.[/QUOTE]I'd second the Tulip suggestion. It's an easy skytrain ride from Nana and it's right below the station.- only I'd go for a double-header. A combination that should prove diverting is Yok and April. If he's not challenged sexually by that porn star/spinner combo then my hat's off to him.

[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]
Or if you want some fun you could try and set him up with a lady boy and see if he notices.
[/QUOTE]
Brought tears to my eyes with laughter....most definately will do!

A friend of my brother, Charinee, opened the Aloha Bar recently. The ambience is clean and modern. There are some nice girls to barfine. Charinee helped my brother out when he was going through a major illness so she is good people. It is on Sukhumvit Soi 22 a little past and across the street from the Grand Mercure Hotel going away from Sukhumvit. If you are in the area stop in and have a drink. Full Disclosure: My brother may have a small financial interest in the bar. I did not get the full story. Here is the link [url]http://www.aloha-bar.com/[/url].

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]You cannot catch crabs from bed linen, clothing, toilets or anywhere else, except pubic hair.

If he's got it, he got it from a sex partner.[/QUOTE]

Yes there is nothing more appealing than walking past two Thai Massage Girls sitting in front of their place of business pulling head lice out of each other's hair with their fingernails. It just makes you want to just walk right in for a massage.

I was in the BTS yesterday evening and saw 2 Stunning looking girls, both dressed with Ret tops, Slim Bodies, beautiful faces! It is safe to assume all the males (Thais included) were looking at them. They were holding the Middle Pole and as the car was pretty crowded I found myself right behind them. One girl was turning her back to me and the other was facing me. The girl with her back to me had a very pleasant scent and I could not help but smile, her friend obviously saw me and smiled back but carried on with her conversation.

I was a little too close to them and noticed in the Handbag of the girl turning her back to me, a Strawberry Condom Pack! Need I say more? I smile even more and the girl got intrigued, she smiled back and while she was looking at me I motioned towards the handbag. They both looked at the side Pocket where, sure enough, the Condom Pack was stuffed, they giggled but did not say anything. "You like Everything Red? " I asked them quietly for the Other Passengers not to notice, "yes" replied the girl. They were both amused by the Situation and we started to talk. I found out they were on their way to work, around Nana, freelancers. Although Nana wasn’t my stop, I still accompanied the girls outside and asked them for a phone number. The lady that was facing me told me "we can go your hotel now, 5000 baht", a little pricey but they were so sexy that it demanded me a terrible effort not to say "yes" right there and then. I found out that the 5000 was inclusive of "everything and for Both girls for the night" (2500 each) so not a bad deal after all, except the "everything" in their mind was not inclusive of Anal and Lesbian.

What to do? I could not ask them for a session now as I had other Plans so I took their Phone number and we parted ways.

I am a moron for not having agreed to take them because the next day when I tried to reach them, the Phone number was incorrect! Stupid me.

If any of you see 2 stunning girls around the Nana Area, with Red tops and one has a black leather bag with a Strawberry condoms Pack on her, please take her contact and let me know.

Much appreciated.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]<cut>
What to do? I could not ask them for a session now as I had other Plans so I took their Phone number and we parted ways.

I am a moron for not having agreed to take them because the next day when I tried to reach them, the Phone number was incorrect! Stupid me.

If any of you see 2 stunning girls around the Nana Area, with Red tops and one has a black leather bag with a Strawberry condoms Pack on her, please take her contact and let me know.

Much appreciated.[/QUOTE]

Nic,

Woooo! I feel for you man! Hope you find them and hope they are still around when I get there! LOL!

AT2

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]...
If any of you see 2 stunning girls around the Nana Area, with Red tops and one has a black leather bag with a Strawberry condoms Pack on her, please take her contact and let me know.

Much appreciated.[/QUOTE]NicFrenchy,

LOL!

Found them, but there is no box with condoms any more :) ... you still want the numbers ?


Giotto

NicFrenchy,

You messed up bad! Next time get your cell phone out, enter the number and call them back right there and then! make sure the number is right. Now it's all a dream buddy!

LBM

I am a moron Sometimes am I not ? LOL

Giotto, I knew you'd have the number. So how many laps do I have to do in your Pool before you consider handing it to me?

finally, i got done with my first stint at mongering in los and here's the report -

landed at about 11.45 pm at suvarnabhoomi airport and cleared immigration within 5 minutes, baggage arrived in another 15 and i was in the taxi within 30 minutes of landing at bkk. off we go to livingstones - i had directions from helpful seniors here like at2 and pit - and also the beautiful map from ll website for the taxi driver to look at.

checked into ll - very smooth process and very helpful bell boy (or whatever they call them there). freshened up quickly, went down to the poolside and met with giotto - he was enjoying the late night chat with pit (to whom i got introduced soon) and was playing with the pool water. they both advised me (pointing to the sports lounge) to rush inside before all the gals leave for the night coz it was past 1 am now.

as soon as i was inside, someone offered me a stool to sit on, a gal brought a moist napkin to help myself and i was asked about what drink i needed to which i ordered plain water. the mamasan introduced herself and helped me pick a gal. we kinda negotiated and made the deal at 2.5k baht for lt - p (name of my catch of the night, just using her first initial to protect her identity) agreed to stay with me till lunch next day - which sounded kool. i did not quite realize that she was not very good at speaking english and that could pose some issues during our ons.

i signed the bf to my room check and came out - asked g and pit on where to find protection... to my surprise, the generous pit put his hand in his pocket and handed me one, g mentioned that i could get some more at the front desk, 100b for 3 of them.

i had been advised by some others that i should go to nep / soi cowboy and hunt something for myself - but after being on two planes for over 18 hours - i really wanted to rush with things - you know how the brain thinks at those times! i walked with p back to our room and forgot if mine was 102 or 104 - enquired back again downstairs and came up to open my room.

we both got in and made ourselves comfortable. p went in to take a shower and was kinda shy and locked herself in the bathroom. this was unacceptable! i knocked and asked if i could go join her - to which she just smiled and said ok ( she understood ok very well - better than anything else) and there we were under the shower.

first signs of inexperience started to show up - she was shy touching me ... i had to instruct her and talk her into cleaning me. anyways, since we could not communicate in any spoken language - sign language was the last resort - which kinda worked for the most part.

now when we were at the bed - she was nothing more or less than an obedient starfish. yeah - she would do only and exactly whatever i told her and nothing more or less. the only thing she was not ready to do was ar - to which i gave her the benefit of doubt that not all thai gals would be into ar... on being asked to do it, she was kinda ok at balls licking / sucking and the bbbj was only an average one - something that even a 500b hooker could have done it (or mebbe better).

after bbbjing for about 10-15 mins, we decided to go for it and i rolled the condom presented by pit and she came on. having been marooned in a very public atmosphere with no privacy - little johnny was all set for action. she sat on me and started riding me - somehow the way these thai / viet gals sit on you and do it - it simply is very stimulating and produces fast results. i liked the ride part of the action and in a few minutes or so i was done.

it was about 2.15 pm by now and we decided to sleep. she slept good for about a few hours and due to my jet lag i was wide awake all night! yeah - all night ... so spent some time checking emails and stuff. at about 6 am, i could not wait no more and woke her up. i asked if she could gimme some massage - to which her favorite response was 'ok' - fine with me! she gave me an okay massage for about 20-25 minutes and then i asked her for bbbj again.

now this is something that i found kinda interesting - each time i requested her to do something, she would stare at me for a few seconds like i was some extra terrestrial! but she usually was ok for most things i asked her... after a decent bbbj i asked her to ride me and then she finished me with a forceful ride.

i wish the gal had the pro-active sense to clean me up once i am done. both times i had to walk to the bathroom to clean myself up... anyways - i think i was being too generous giving benefits of doubt to the gal. the time now was 7 am and i was damn hungry. i tried asking her if she knew an eating place nearby and she just couldn't help me there. i called the front desk and they felt sorry that nothing close by would be open.

anyways, we got ready and went down for the ll breakfast. it was 7.30 am still and i was told that the breakfast would be available only at 8 am. what the heck - we both went down and sat by the poolside all alone, not talking to each other coz we could not communicate much ... both observing the ll white dog who would occasionally stare at us. fortunately, the lady at the breakfast place came by and asked us for our preferences and soon the food was brought. i should say it was decent.

then i asked the front desk as to where could i go out for some touristy things - she wrote to me the name of buddha temple close by and i asked my gal if she would be fine accompanying me there. she was fine about it. off we went in a taxi. we sat at the temple for a while, she prayed, i prayed, i clicked some pictures, we went around the temple seeing the things, i rang about 20+ bells which in my tradition is usually one or two bells. we took another taxi and were back to ll by 9.30 am.

i was now debating whether to stay with her and get another round going (which i could predict the sequence of events that would happen and it surely sounded boring to me) versus the other choice of going to some massage parlor and have some fun. since the wireless was not functioning very well in my room, i told her that i would be back and she watched animal planet in the room while i was down browsing the websites of all massage parlors near soi 33 area - to check their sunday opening timings. the reason i was very meticulous about my plans was that i had barely 2-3 hours before leaving for the airport and i wanted to make use of that time.

i saw on the website that the love teen massage which is at a stone's throw from ll was going to open at 10 am and rest all (dream, angels, etc.) at 11 am. so i came back to my room and told my gal that i need to leave early and that she need not wait till lunch and she should also leave. i paid her a tip of 300b over the 2.5k baht that we had agreed upon. i am not sure if this was higher or okay or what but i had a humane side to my personality and felt sorry for her for being forced into this profession by her ciscumstances. the best i could do is to pay her more than what she deserved and that's what i did (i think).

o well, now i walked into love teen massage and was greeted by a lady at the front desk. she showed me the menu and an album of all gals that were present at that hour (about 10 am). i liked one which was not available. my next choice was very much there. i asked her to be seen and she came out. she looked okay, i mean compared to my night's company - this looked very bubbly and kinda better face.

i went for the lotion massage for 700b for 1.5 hours. for al all service, she quoted me 2.2k baht. i first refused. then she said that it comes with shower, balls massage, bj, etc. i was like let me talk to my masseause about the extras. we went up. i was her first for the day. honestly, we just clicked very well... i was cracking many jokes, being happy that this gal speaks english ( rather i was delighted that i can at least talk to her :) ) - and this gal was equally fun loving and claimed to be 23. she was also cracking jokes equally well and would be open to ask about anything that she didn't understand... i liked that.

then i bargained with her and told her that i would come back to her again. she claimed that every john comes and promises her to come back but not many do... so i assured her that i would if i get a good service and a good deal. she peeped outside and seeing no one was around, agreed for a 1.2k extra for everything - mind you that i never knew what was in that everything. i was only ready for a bbbj without cim since this was more like a massage thingy. so i was happy that instead of 2.2k total, i would be paying 1.9k for some fun stuff.

anyways, she gave a defect lotion massage after shower (she didnt shower with me)... and all the while we were cracking jokes and i was making her laugh the entire time. for some reason if she didn't like my request (which was of course for fun), she would say that she will 'box' me and would act like she was going to punch me. she even did that a few times to my little one (ouch! it would be bad to get a real one down there), but she was simply kidding and having fun. finally, i told her that i would box her as well... that some how sounded very funny to her and she laughed and laughed...

she showered me the second time and washed me very thoroughly. fine, now the massage part was over and so i told her that lets get to the other part of the deal - the sex! she slipped on a condom and started a cbj - which was good. she licked me all around my crotch and a lot near the a'hole - she was just short of performing ar right at the hole, but did a good lick job all around it - finally some part of my fantasy from the last night came to fulfilment... not bad!

i remarked to her that i do not need a condom when she slipped one over me and she said that its good for safety. i was thinking that all she would do is a bj and i certainly did not want a cbj only. but soon, she started kissing me from crotch upwards and rubbing her boobs with my little one and was climbing up. she came up to my face kissing and before i realized, i was inside her. wow! even if this is a part of the ritual - i was pleasantly surprised coz i was not expecting it. now i realized why she insisted on the condom.

she was hugging me (was horizontal) and started riding me. this had never happened to me before. everyone i had been with would sit vertical and ride me like a horse ride. she was different. she laid down on me, hugging me, and still was doing an awesome job at riding me. it was pure fun! finally the smile that was much awaited in the los. she was pretty vigorous at times and after a good amount of time she moaned as if she had cum. i am kinda sure that she really did. i was still not done yet. then i grabbed her ass and was actively taking part in banging her, she was still lying on me and hugging me. some fast moves from her part and then i was finally done.

she realized that, quickly got up, hid my little one from my view and used some kleenex (or whatever) tissues and cleaned me up very well down there. then she asked me to go take a shower after she had cleaned herself up. wow! what a climax! never before i had been made to cum third within a span of 10 hours and this gal did it. i told her that i would like to seriously spend an entire night with her and she offered me her phone number and told me that she would be happy to do so too. i told her that i should be living in the area the next time too and that i will call her. though she quoted about 4k for entire night, i am sure she may come down on that once i actually get her to join me. seniors - is there anything that can help me here ;) ?

i was really pleased and was thinking with my little brain - ended up giving her the original price of 1.5k even if the total 2.2k was high - i really felt like she deserved it. she casually mentioned to me after the deed that she is tired and that since i am the first customer of the day, she is being nice to me :) - doesn't hurt!

i paid her and took leave of that place, promised her to meet up again. then on recommendation from the front desk gal at ll, i went for a quick lunch at the thai restaurant two shops down from ll - i was the only customer and i got royal treatment. there was a lady wearing a sexy revealing dress there (part of the serving team) and was smoking hot - i could have done her then :). anyways, then i came to the airport for my onward journey and promised myself to have more fun the next time i am down there.

seniors - what is your suggestion - can i expect good service, looks, attitude, etc. from some one i would pick up at soi cowboy or nep or should i go with a known (this massage parlor gal) gal for at least one of the two nights that i am in bkk in 2 weeks? i really want to make the best of my time there and would also appreciate contacts from those who can spare me one or two from their big list (i am sure some of us here have a long list of fantastic ladies). also, can i get a good service for 2k all night if i pick one up at nep / soi cowboy?

the experience can be summarized thus - it has made me picky about what i want & i now completely agree with the fact that one can be deaf, dumb and blind and still be able to get a good company for the night - if one cannot get a gal in bkk - then he cannot get one on this planet!

finally, thanks g and thanks pit for all your advice on the forum and in person - you made me feel comfortable at a new place and just like home at the ll - thank you with all my heart!

[QUOTE=Rbamane]
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Seniors - what is your suggestion - can I expect good service, looks, attitude, etc. from some one I would pick up at Soi Cowboy or NEP or should I go with a known (this massage parlor gal) gal for at least one of the two nights that I am in BKK in 2 weeks? I really want to make the best of my time there and would also appreciate contacts from those who can spare me one or two from their big list (I am sure some of us here have a long list of fantastic ladies). Also, can I get a good service for 2K all night if I pick one up at NEP / Soi Cowboy?

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Rbamane,

Nice writeup. You have scratched the surface, but there's much much more. I would suggest going to NEP, Soi Cowboy and possibly even Patpong, even if just to swing by and look for about 30 minutes each. You will see what is on display, get the vibe and have some knowledge of the quantity and quality of girls available in BKK and will know where these places are.

Everyone has different tastes and you may find them no different or you may find some there that might be your 9 or 10. Do this on your first full night. You can always book your girl that you had and go back to her, after you have seen the sights. And yes, you can get a girl for 2K baht all night at any venue. It's a YMMV world and depends on you and the girl. Some of the beer bars are also fun, like the Bamboo bar, Hillary Bars, Gullivers, etc.

You also need to go to one of the Soapy's in the late afternoons, just for the visual. It's not like the old days, when there were full fishbowls, but still enough to see and like. Go between 4pm and 6pm. If you don't see anything you like, you can always leave. It's the best window shopping and possibly the only window shopping a guy should ever do. The Soapy's usually have a bar/model section, so be sure to check those out too.

Glad you had a good time. I'm a kid in a candy store in BKK and never go back to the same girl. Always looking for something new.

AT2

Thanks AT2, sure that is the plan - to explore all avenues possible!

Plan also includes a soapy and an oile - one on each of the 'days' and someone all night for the two 'nights' - so lets see how that works out.

Will keep you updated of the experiences and post further reports as well.

Thanks for the encouragement and the tips.

-R.


[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Rbamane,

Nice writeup. You have scratched the surface, but there's much much more. I would suggest going to NEP, Soi Cowboy and possibly even Patpong, even if just to swing by and look for about 30 minutes each. You will see what is on display, get the vibe and have some knowledge of the quantity and quality of girls available in BKK and will know where these places are.

Everyone has different tastes and you may find them no different or you may find some there that might be your 9 or 10. Do this on your first full night. You can always book your girl that you had and go back to her, after you have seen the sights. And yes, you can get a girl for 2K baht all night at any venue. It's a YMMV world and depends on you and the girl. Some of the beer bars are also fun, like the Bamboo bar, Hillary Bars, Gullivers, etc.

You also need to go to one of the Soapy's in the late afternoons, just for the visual. It's not like the old days, when there were full fishbowls, but still enough to see and like. Go between 4pm and 6pm. If you don't see anything you like, you can always leave. It's the best window shopping and possibly the only window shopping a guy should ever do. The Soapy's usually have a bar/model section, so be sure to check those out too.

Glad you had a good time. I'm a kid in a candy store in BKK and never go back to the same girl. Always looking for something new.

AT2[/QUOTE]

Hi,

My usual hotel is full so I am thinking about The Pinnacle Lumpinee Hotel & Spa is located on Rama 4 Road.

Does any one know any thing about this one? How is the quality?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]NicFrenchy,

You messed up bad! Next time get your cell phone out, enter the number and call them back right there and then! make sure the number is right. Now it's all a dream buddy!

LBM[/QUOTE]I once had a girls number written on my hand after a night out in London and the next day I realised that I'd (like a good boy as my mother always told me) had a wash before I went to bed and washed away 4 of the digits.

I'm going to try to re-locate a girl who I met at a bar in NEP. She may or may not work there anymore, probably does not. If she doesn't, I was thinking of talking to the mamasan and offering a nice tip for help in getting hold of the girl (either mama getting hold of her and calling her to meet me, or her cel phone number, whatever).

Has anyone done something like this before? What's a good amount to offer for the help? Any other suggestions how to work this situation? I've got her name and a photo I can show.

THanks

[QUOTE=Wendella]I was thinking of talking to the mamasan and offering a nice tip for help in getting hold of the girl (either mama getting hold of her and calling her to meet me, or her cel phone number, whatever). [/QUOTE]Mama would do almost anything for a good customer. So if you want to be a good customer, get in the bar, buy mama a drink and show her the Picture. If she knows her she'll contact her for you (and make sure you give Mama a 100 or 200 as Tip), trust me, she'll never forget your face again and you'll get top notch service everytime you go in that bar.

[QUOTE=Wendella]I'm going to try to re-locate a girl who I met at a bar in NEP. She may or may not work there anymore, probably does not. If she doesn't, I was thinking of talking to the mamasan and offering a nice tip for help in getting hold of the girl (either mama getting hold of her and calling her to meet me, or her cel phone number, whatever).

Has anyone done something like this before? What's a good amount to offer for the help? Any other suggestions how to work this situation? I've got her name and a photo I can show.

THanks[/QUOTE]I'd go to the bar she used to work at and just ask for her. If she's not there, make up some excuse why you need to talk with her such as the last time you two were together she left a gold bracelet in your room and you want to return it to her or some other BS. Chances are someone there will know how to find her. I have to ask though, why would you want to relocate someone that you haven't even kept in contact with? She could be married already or pumping out kids in the province with a tuk-tuk driver by now. With so many thousands of eligible beauties in the LOS, this seems like a very bizarre game plan. Best of luck to you though.

Well if she is married or in the countryside, then I just won't be able to meet her, and that's that. But maybe she's still around somewhere, and if so I can try to hook up with her again. Why I'd want to hook up with her when there are so many others out there? Well, I'm sure the guys here with the most experience find themselves in that position sometimes. Same here. Not bizarre, really. I've seen enough girls to be sure there was something rare about this one, definitely enough to at least see if I can locate her again.

I think NicFrenchy's plan sounds like the one to go with for this one. Thanks. I can't make up something totally BS because if I do end up meeting the girl, it'll be a bit weird if, for example, I actually have no bracelet to return to her.

[QUOTE=Wendella]I'm going to try to re-locate a girl who I met at a bar in NEP. She may or may not work there anymore, probably does not. If she doesn't, I was thinking of talking to the mamasan and offering a nice tip for help in getting hold of the girl (either mama getting hold of her and calling her to meet me, or her cel phone number, whatever).

Has anyone done something like this before? What's a good amount to offer for the help? Any other suggestions how to work this situation? I've got her name and a photo I can show.

THanks[/QUOTE]

I did once a few years ago, but without offering money. The results were disappointing. Either they told me the girl was married in Switzerland, or she was visiting her mom. In fact they don't want tell you the girl is still here, but has a long time customer who has booked her for his whole holiday, or so.
But, with offering money you might have success.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Well if she is married or in the countryside, then I just won't be able to meet her, and that's that. But maybe she's still around somewhere, and if so I can try to hook up with her again. Why I'd want to hook up with her when there are so many others out there? Well, I'm sure the guys here with the most experience find themselves in that position sometimes. Same here. Not bizarre, really. I've seen enough girls to be sure there was something rare about this one, definitely enough to at least see if I can locate her again.

I think NicFrenchy's plan sounds like the one to go with for this one. Thanks. I can't make up something totally BS because if I do end up meeting the girl, it'll be a bit weird if, for example, I actually have no bracelet to return to her.[/QUOTE]
Best to try to find out if one of her close friends still works there and chat to the friend. Then just be honest and ask if your phone number could be passed on or something like that. The friend might well know the approx situation.

Nic's advice was also good but mamasans might be less interested to help.

Don't like the bullshit story approach.

[QUOTE=Stiffoak 571]I once had a girls number written on my hand after a night out in London and the next day I realised that I'd (like a good boy as my mother always told me) had a wash before I went to bed and washed away 4 of the digits.[/QUOTE]
I like to have the monger-phone on hand, type the number straight in and ring it immediately to test it works.

hello everyone! i am in the midst of a very long vacation here in bangkok and wish to update you all about a handful of positive experiences with women who are located within a stone's throw of ll. these good times supplement the positive review that i gave ll last week and have contributed to the good time that i have had in town here.

1) first and foremost, i wish to highly recommend "pon" of powelly's sports bar. first impression is that she comes across as a sex toy. innocent, yet cute and thin as hell. english is not good unfortunately, but she is virtually gfe material in the sack with the requisite moans and groans and seems to really enjoy being with clients rather than going through the motions. if you are truly ambitious, you can look to "pen" also there (not quite as cute, but good english and pse) who is pon's best friend and is willing to do a threesome if asked.

2) a step down but still very recommendable is miss phau (pasana) of livingstone's lounge. though subjectively not quite as "stunning" as pon, she has very good english skills, a great smile that initially drew me into conversation with her, and a solid gfe in the sack. she is willing to also go out during the day and on trips (with barfine, of course) and is easily likeable and affectionate. if i had a girl with the personality and english skills of miss phau and the stunning, innocent looks of pon, i would strongly consider a barfine for several days.

3) separately speaking, i wish to very strongly recommend "mo" of cefle massage (across the street in the alley from ll). she is a top notch professional masseuse who i have been seeing approx. every other day. great skills. whether it is oil massage or thai massage and she has strong hands to really give therapeutic effect. i have not found the same thing among female masseuses either here or in buenos aires (when i was there). prices are a bit high at cefle (for example, 550 baht. plus tip. for 90 minutes of thai massage with an herbal ball), but the physical therapy has been among the most memorable i have ever had in my life.

i shall continue to come online and update more often in this second-half of my trip and hope to give newbies and regular/senior members some insight into this monger's choice of activities.

michael

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[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I like to have the monger-phone on hand, type the number straight in and ring it immediately to test it works.[/QUOTE]I'm so old it was pre-mobile days - so long ago that phone boxes took 10p and you still had all the phone books undamaged in every one.

Hello All,

I’m wrapping up my maiden three day trip to LOS; I’m going to put this report in reverse order.

Thanks to all members who provided me help in my travels, directly: Asia Traveller 2, Tansak KTV, 1Ball; and indirectly Mick Licker and his excellent guides, and all other posting members.

First day in BKK I landed at around 18:10; cleared customs and baggage claim in about 30 minutes. Checked in at LL and got my bearings, unfortunately I only changed about 200USD at the airport and had to wait till morning to change more. With what I had I thought of simply doing a soapy and possibly an overnight.

I walked around the Soi 33 area, didn’t go into any bars and realized it probably wouldn’t be my thing. Nothing especially attracted me and it was a bit hard on the pride when a fairly respectable looking guy gets no response from the girls sitting outside but a an old geezer in a wife-beater gets a kings welcome… :) well far be it from me to take things personally.

It was getting late, about 9/10 pm. I didn’t feel like straying far from the home ground, walked up and down the Soi and settled on Teen Love massage, despite its average rating seemed like the best option.

Went in, chose the VIP room with 2 girls option, the special they were having was same price for 1 or 2 girls, 800 for one hour, 1000 for 1.5, and 1200 for 2 hours. I went with 1 hour, but in retrospect should have gone for 1, it seemed that time was not rushed there.

I didn’t choose the two girls though it is an option a fairly good looking 7 by the name of ‘Ede’ or ‘Eve’ (she was pronouncing it as Edee) and a 5/6 ‘Em’ took me downstairs to the VIP room not bad at all, a bit older looking but had a nice big bed, chairs and a big Jacuzzi. Long story short they both got in the tub with me for a very good washing session, very playful both of them, touching and light kissing and nibbling on nipples did happen. It was apparent that the lower scale ‘Em’ was to be the worker.

Moved to the bed, decent green tea lotion massage from both on the back and legs with fondling and sliding on the back. Turned over and more of the same, with Ede on top and Em between my legs massaging the balls very expertly. Pricing for the FS began, weirdly enough they asked me if I had a condom (which I didn’t), said without condom 1500 for both of them (two shots if I can get them off I guess) and with condom 3000; I didn’t understand that part… we agreed on 2500 (given that I had read Eden was about that much as well, I went ahead)

Em gets on first and boy can she ride… amazing, she took her time and Ede was on top of me, getting some daty, feeding me her nipples, etc… I get on Em, Ede continues to play with my behind and balls, couldn’t finish on Em, so I get on my back again.

Ede switches condoms gets on top reverse cowboy, now she had a tight pussy, I’m feeling good. Em kisses me, offers me her boobs, gets on my face. Switch positions with me doggy style in Ede, wanting very much to explode, Em playing with me from behind and supporting me… Can’t finish.

I get on my back again, Ede comes to my faces rests my face in her small bossom, Em begins a handjob and then a BBJCIM fishes me off… we were at it a long time, and I couldn’t muster a second, we cuddle a bit, wash up and I leave happy. They did ask for a 200 tip for taxi at the end which I didn’t pay, said I would come back, which I may… :)

Went back to LL sat at the bar had a few drinks, bartender told me to check out the sports bar, didn’t quite feel like it, and since I was light in the wallet didn’t want to have any IOUs!! :) went to bed happy. Though in the morning I realized I could have used some company there and then, but it was a new day and another report to follow.

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In the morning went to do some sightseeing, went all over the place, came back to LL to rest and then eventually late evening made my a stop at Annies intending to get revved up and go to Soi Cowboy or RCA. The cab driver that was dropping me off there laughed and tried to stop me from going there, and seeing the shaddy type of location I thought against it, he wanted to take me to Plaza, didn’t remember anything about it, though I knew I read something. Decided to go ahead to Annies, as I was looking for the B-Course. I don’t know if I didn’t explain it right or what, but didn’t get a slide on a matteress.

Anyway, went up, greeted nicely by the bartender Aey, she told me to make my pick and said I could take one overnight for 2000 as well, if I liked her; I was leaning towards a heifer number 88 (just perverse), but decided to take number 23 who looked nice and stacked from a distant. Didn’t look old from that distance either! The bartender told me I picked a nicer ‘older’ girl, but she has very good experience; not being one to shirk a challenge and kinda wanting to do it with an older woman I went ahead.

Bought her a drink, a water for me it was 16XX bhat, left 1700 and went to the room. Now this is an older place, not very upscale. Once shes taken off the clothes, I find she’s a 2/3 charitably! But was showing a winning attitude, small old boobs and a c-section scar which she kept covered up.

Now in the tub she takes good care of you, the body slide was there, which was a nice experience, she gets reverse cowboy and squeezes her legs together supporting her arms on the tub walls begins to do ‘dips’ on me; must have amazing upper body strength. Eventually gave me a very nice long BBJCIM which she happily accomplished.

We get to the bed, massage to follow was actually pretty good. Turned over she continues the massage paying special attention to the important areas. When I finally cover up and enter, she is very tight; the scar is explained I guess. Finish off nicely and head out clean as a whistle tipped her 500. Was inclined to give her 300, but felt generous. She had a handy slip of paper printed with her email address, name and phone number which she hands me. Still thinking on how the 88 heifer would have been, but move on.

I was hungry at this point, so walk up to the suk and start walking. The first corner at the JW marriot I passby this little tight stunner, that looks at me and when I pass actually makes me do a slight double take, she did as well; I don’t think much of it, and keep walking, stop to get some smokes and when I get out shes there, makes direct eye contact and under the fluorescents I think nice, but not in the mood so I duck my eyes and keep walking.

This is my second day in BKK and my first time out strolling. SWs everywhere while I try to find a place to eat, a place called Mongos looks nice. So I stop for a bite to eat open air. SWs walking by all over the place; there was a girl actually in the restaurant, who wasn’t really a hostess I think would be available, make a mental note to check on it later after, but then she disappears (snooze you loose! ) she was a good solid 8 if not higher. Attitude would be a deciding point.

In anycase I finish my meal and decide to skip cowboy or anything and just walk back to Soi 33, which is a long walk! I’m an easy going monger and not into loud bars and drinking etc. Though did want to see a les show. Its 11:30 or so now. My session at Annies was a good long one. Walk all the way back examining the scene, which is more important to me than most things being my first time. Street walkers galore in the early part of the suk, up to soi 20? I think. Personally, I’m never on too much on a budget so wouldn’t mind staying in a good 4/5 star in this part of the Suk, and as I understand it is near to all other mongering sites like Soi cowboy or Nana, etc? Plus having seen the girls sitting outside the bars on 33, quite a few of the SWs would be just as good if not better (and cheaper) they maybe have better girls inside those bars, I don’t know?

But, in my estimation I can save the bar fine and that may well go towards a good hotel and spend the money on freelancers etc.

I make it back to LL, don’t want to sleep alone would like a breathing warm body next to me. Go to the sports bar. I know at this point the bar fine is 1000. There are 10+ girls there, I think, a few mongers and giotto relaxing with his red wine a game of pool. None of these girls were personally appealing to me, save for one who was making some eye contact with me possibly because I was sitting facing her! And to my opinion was the best of the bunch, an 8 easily IMHO, she looked uncomfortable and forlorn; or maybe she was not into me. In anycase, she’s the one I want and she’s the one I take, with an orange juice for her, Jack for me and the barfine I pay 1400 and am off to the room. Shes very cool. But frankly i’m only taking her only for the company, I don’t expect much from her, considering I am very tired, long flight from the day before, all day sightseeing, Annies, walking back, etc.

Her name was Naom or Noam or something like that, said it meant ‘moon’. We get to the room shower separately, she gets a bit more talkative, little English. She comes to the bed in a towel. We cuddle a bit, I get her out of the towel, she was saying she thought she’d be cold! In anycase, she’s a star fish; will do everything, just needs to be prodded. Similar to another member who reported recently on an LL girl, but her name was different, I think.

We do it twice, once at 5:00am and once at 10:00 (we went to sleep earlier without engaging). She does get into it, especially after daty and some tender loving care! Won’t French Kiss. Get dressed in the morning, shes happier now – maybe ‘cause she’s leaving! After we shower and brush etc, she actually does good deep french kissing initiated by her, maybe cause she’s going to get her money. She doesn’t ask for it it but as we are stepping out the door I hand her the 2000 I thought I heard very clearly that she said last night for long time. She said, no I said 3000, 2000 for ST, I said I heard 2000, and I didn’t even ask you for an ST price. It wasn’t really uncomfortable, but she was upset, and said I misunderstood. She walks me down to breakfast and we say goodbye.

Despite the luke warm report, I enjoyed being with her, she was a nice girl, great body and eventually very good. Price was not bad either, obviously tack on the other 1000 that she wanted, I don't know. I would have actually given it to her too, had she insisted but she didn't.

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Can any of you Thailand experts recommend a website for meeting non pro Thai ladies? I have just been asked to go to Thailand on business, and after much protestation that it was too far away, too crazy a place, etc, I gave in to my boss and agreed to go! I like to mix non pros in with the bar scene when I travel, and usually arrange these in advance by romancing the girls through the internet. But all the sites I can find are basically pay marriage sites.

Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks F

[QUOTE=Forest]Can any of you Thailand experts recommend a website for meeting non pro Thai ladies? [/QUOTE]

Other more knowledgeable (and non-mongers) might know better or have a different opinion. But if you're planning a short business trip, chances of meeting a real non-pro slim to zero.

If you're single, young and hang for a while with honorable intentions, there are places and opportunities. If you're in town for business, short visits, married, etc.....try hunting the clubs and burn the candle at both ends.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Wendella]I'm going to try to re-locate a girl who I met at a bar in NEP. She may or may not work there anymore, probably does not. If she doesn't, I was thinking of talking to the mamasan and offering a nice tip for help in getting hold of the girl (either mama getting hold of her and calling her to meet me, or her cel phone number, whatever).

Has anyone done something like this before? What's a good amount to offer for the help? Any other suggestions how to work this situation? I've got her name and a photo I can show.

THanks[/QUOTE]To start with give one or 2 LD to the Mamasan before you ask and she might be helpful until you have gained a lot confidence they do not give you the details, maybe some the BG who have benn working could help with her cell no., Manasan has the complete details, id, home address, etc., but they do not give these to anybody who jst ask. In case she moved out with longterm sponsor, she for sure to change her cell.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Forest]Can any of you Thailand experts recommend a website for meeting non pro Thai ladies? [/QUOTE]Forget it.

As T1234 stated earlier, your chances are very slim if you're in for a short period of time. You can definitely pull a couple dates with girls, dinners & drinks but few will give up their pussies if there is no chance of a "Boyfriend/Gik/Husband" relationship.

I have at the moment 3 giks (on top of P4P), from which one is my hairdresser (1 year before she gave in). You can try Camfrog [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=707157&postcount=3725[/url]

And, before I forget, non P4P bangkokian women, when invited by Farangs tend to want to go to fancy restaurants and order expensive dishes so bring a wad of Cash. I believe if you are here on a tourist visa, P4P works out to be cheaper.

[QUOTE=Forest]Can any of you Thailand experts recommend a website for meeting non pro Thai ladies? I have just been asked to go to Thailand on business, and after much protestation that it was too far away, too crazy a place, etc, I gave in to my boss and agreed to go! I like to mix non pros in with the bar scene when I travel, and usually arrange these in advance by romancing the girls through the internet. But all the sites I can find are basically pay marriage sites.[/QUOTE]First of all, you're not going to get any sympathy from me being sent over to Thailand on business (even if you have to fly coach!). hehe

I've met some nice girls at the following sites. The first one requires a nominal membership fee to contact girls. Just keep in mind there are pros working these sites but if you wade through what you don't want, the straight ahead girls emerge eventually.

[url]http://thailovelinks.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.thailandfriends.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Forget it.

As T1234 stated earlier, your chances are very slim if you're in for a short period of time. You can definitely pull a couple dates with girls, dinners & drinks but few will give up their pussies if there is no chance of a "Boyfriend/Gik/Husband" relationship.

I have at the moment 3 giks (on top of P4P), from which one is my hairdresser (1 year before she gave in). You can try Camfrog [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=707157&postcount=3725[/url]

And, before I forget, non P4P bangkokian women, when invited by Farangs tend to want to go to fancy restaurants and order expensive dishes so bring a wad of Cash. I believe if you are here on a tourist visa, P4P works out to be cheaper.[/QUOTE]

I have learned that it is best not to let a Thai choose a fancy restaurant, especially if she has never been there before.
If she suggests one, you need to find out if it is a rip-off place first.

One me and a mate were taken to Bankok Palace Seafood near corner of Sukhumwit and Asoke. The girls chose it but had never been there.

The food was very expensive and the girls asked for costly stuff.
One girl left quickly before eating anything.
I suspect an important Gik had called up and she was cheating on her regular BF.
The girls ate very little in general despite ordering a lot.
They like to order what they think the guys will want, which is Thai custom but silly.
The Thai music and dancing on the stage made talking nearly impossible.

Overall cost was very exhorbitant.
My mate ended up marrying one of the girls despite the bad start to the relationship. She wasn't even pretty and figure very ordinary.

I knew I could have chosen a much better Seafood restaurant at a fraction of the cost. It was only a social dinner. I had no interest either of the girls, but plenty of money down the tubes.
I think the bill was over 6000 Baht.

Somebody interested in Pegasus Club?

Stickman's report about it:

[URL]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickMarkII/TheIllusionOfDecadence.htm[/URL]


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]Somebody interested in Pegasus Club?

Giotto[/QUOTE]Well, that depends.

I could rent a lady @ 900thb, rent a balcony for 3k and treat myself to a 45 minutes BBBJ.

Maybe we could call it the Naughty corner! but wait, someone already thought of that! Bummer! see you at Afterskool.

[QUOTE=Bounce Around]
<cut>It was getting late, about 9/10 pm. I didn’t feel like straying far from the home ground, walked up and down the Soi and settled on Teen Love massage, despite its average rating seemed like the best option.<cut>

[/QUOTE]

Love Teen massage get's mixed reviews and some consider it over rated. I have had good times there, with only the rooms as my biggest negative about that place. You did the right thing in paying a bit more for the larger room. The last time I was there about a year ago, there was a 20 girl lineup and a couple of attractive girls.

They have take out available too and it's especially convenient if you are at LL.

AT2

[QUOTE=Giotto]Somebody interested in Pegasus Club?

Stickman's report about it:

[URL]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickMarkII/TheIllusionOfDecadence.htm[/URL]


Giotto[/QUOTE]

Anyone have any recent reports on Pegasus? I recall seeing one recent post, but not much else, other than a mixture of recommendations and avoid comments. Last time there for me, was about 3 years ago. I always saw that place as early 70's Hugh Hefner Playboy Mansion meets Cesaers Palace Las Vegas. A bit gaudy, but fun and different.

I just never found the lineups very spectacular, although an occassional gem could be found. You don't need to be a member, but the drinks and barfine are very high priced, relative to other options. Roughly Soi 33 prices. The drinks were more expensive.

AT2

Hi,

Can anyone tell me where to find Thermae? Where I remember it being is now a big hole in the ground, assume another condo going up.

I have seen recent posts about it so they must have relocated!

Thanks,

Pedro 917

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Love Teen massage get's mixed reviews and some consider it over rated. I have had good times there, with only the rooms as my biggest negative about that place. You did the right thing in paying a bit more for the larger room. The last time I was there about a year ago, there was a 20 girl lineup and a couple of attractive girls.

They have take out available too and it's especially convenient if you are at LL.

AT2[/QUOTE]Actually, I did just that on my last night in BKK!

And, I can tell you it was one of my best mongering (or even non-mongering times ever! ) I had had a long day just roaming BKK, got a VERY good legit massage at Chamcham next to Phantip plaza. Though its not for those on a budget total bill was 2200BHT, the room with a jacuzzi was bigger than my 'suite' at LL, and far more luxurious.

I had gotten back to LL late in the evening, rested a bit, then had all intention to check out Soi Cowboy or possibly hit Eden for a PSE, after getting a good thai meal. Went to the thai resturaunt next to LL. Had a very spicy meal, Fresh oysters, tom yum kong, and a spicy fish curry that was rated the most spicy dish on the menu, infact they asked me three times if I was sure. In the end it was 10: 30 and I was sweating profusly from every orifice in my body. On the plus side the manager was impressed with my stamina and said 'you eat good'. The bill was about 1200, I had an early morning start the next day (and was half way through a bottle of champagne)so decided to skip cowboy, thought about pulling a ST fro LL sports bar, but decided instead to call up Love Teen and have the aforementioned Eed come to my room. Found out that she had left already. I picked Bee from their website.

I don't know if it was common chemistry or what, but from the moment she entered the door our lips locked and didn't let go. The sex was great, we did everything under the sun and then some (this girl can get on top and RIDE! ), she had brought three condoms and we used all of them. The both of us were torn between having her stay or leave, but in the end I figured it would be best if she left (at around 1:30). I thought hard about even mentioning her name, but she's on their website and she's going to continue doing this job, so what the heck. And, I don't know when I'll get back to see her again. My only request, which goes without saying, is to treat every girl with respect and dignity, as I do at all times. YMMV. The damage was supposed to be 2500, I gave her 3000. Didn't really discuss getting change back but neither was prompted by her for money in the first place.

Frankly this was my first time in BKK, and I don't know the whole deal between Issan and Thai girls, but Bee is from Issan and frankly she could be the only reason I return to BKK. Of course I am over romanticizing the whole thing (come to think of it I guess all the girls I met were from the 'country side', which is actually what I wanted, I can get fair skinned girls in China, where I go for not only P4P, but also have some friends who are educated and well off)

In conclusion, I had a great first trip; barely scratched the surface of the mongering in Thailand. I was ambivilant about my experience beforehand and have had a 180 deg change of heart. Will try to stop in Thailand every time I travel to China/HKG for biz. Hell, maybe even try to get some biz in Thailand. Now that would be getting your cake and eating it too. Or should I say 'pie'!

Next time, though I would stay at a hotel in the early part of Suk; possibly not directly connected to a major mongering location like LL and Soi 33, that'll probably give me more incentive to venture out.

Again, thanks for all the reports and help on this forum. All you lurkers be men and pay up, support the forum!

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[QUOTE=Pedro 917]Hi,

Can anyone tell me where to find Thermae? Where I remember it being is now a big hole in the ground, assume another condo going up.

I have seen recent posts about it so they must have relocated!

Thanks,

Pedro 917[/QUOTE]Thermae is after Soi 15 on Sukhumvit, there is a stairway, get down. You can miss it, it is not advertised like any bar in BKK, and it is "underground".

(soi mean Little Street in Thai)

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Anyone have any recent reports on Pegasus? I recall seeing one recent post, but not much else, other than a mixture of recommendations and avoid comments. Last time there for me, was about 3 years ago. I always saw that place as early 70's Hugh Hefner Playboy Mansion meets Cesaers Palace Las Vegas. A bit gaudy, but fun and different.

I just never found the lineups very spectacular, although an occassional gem could be found. You don't need to be a member, but the drinks and barfine are very high priced, relative to other options. Roughly Soi 33 prices. The drinks were more expensive.

AT2[/QUOTE]I was at Pegasus last week. You would have marry more than half of them!

Honestly I do not what place in BKK can match Pegasus quality.

[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]What time does Edens open[/QUOTE]9 AM closes @ Midnight.

[QUOTE=Bounce Around]... but decided instead to call up Love Teen and have the aforementioned Eed come to my room. Found out that she had left already. I picked Bee from their website.
[/QUOTE]

If you go in, they have many more gals which are not listed on their website - they have an album that you can browse through and if you insist at the reception - they can line them up for you as well...

Good catch dude!

Thank you for the references to Love Teen. I'm going back to Bangkok after an absence of two or three years sometime in April, and I just checked out the web page. Some of the girls are really adorable, and I'll be sure to look the place up when I'm there and to write a report. I assume from the various posts that I don't even have to go there and can just call and request one of the ladies whose pictures appear on the website.

[QUOTE=Infomatic]9 AM closes @ Midnight.[/QUOTE]Unless Eden has changed recently 9AM is not correct. Star of Light is one of few that opens 9AM.

The following web site (remove the blank) claims Eden opens 12.30PM
[url]http://www.private[/url] bangkok.com/eden-club-bangkok/

The second web site claims 1PM
[url]http://www.bkk-gui.de/ede_eng_f.htm[/url]

This info comes from my Bangkok Ref List
"Bangkok Massage Parlour List with Maps & Internet Web Links V1":
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=695846&postcount=3304[/url]
Eden was included even though not strictly an MP.
They do have forms of dick massage :D
Somehow I got the opening time wrong though (misprints happen).

The definitive expert is probably Evil Penivil:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=685488&highlight=Eden+opens#post685488[/url]

For general education, I found Evil's report easily by clicking on "Search this Thread" then in the pull down box, I typed:
Eden+opens
and hit enter.
That does a search for reports with both words "Eden" and "opens" contained in the text. This highlighted Evil's report very quickly.

So its easy to Search the F Forum. :)

Eden Opens at 12:30pm (Officially 13:00 but they let you come in and Choose as early as 12:30)

Eden Closes at 12:00 midnight but a lot of Girls are allowed to leave (for Takeout from 10pm) so not much of a selection after 22:00.

[QUOTE=Infomatic]9 AM closes @ Midnight.[/QUOTE]

Per my visit yesterday I can CONFIRM a 1pm opening as per the "menu" card.

HI

I am planning to visit BKK and need advice from other fellow mongers on the following :-

1. GF Hotels and their rates and whether they can be book online.

2. Where to get pussy for ST and LT.

3. Is the Ho chi minh city a better place in terms of pussy than hanoi and if yes then how long it takes to travel to ho chi minh and the mode of travel available.

I have gone thru some of the reports but I would like to know the pick up joints and whether free lancers can be picked if so and which place.

would love to hear on these.

what is the average cost for a pussy per night and also ST

I would like the hotel tariff to be around 10 - 20 usd

Cheers

Fresh Meat

Can anybody inform me about some bars/clubs where they do nude sex show and lesbian shows. Somewhere near Nana Plaza. And what time do those clubs open/close. I guess in general there are no entrance fee for those bars/clubs. So you can just walk in a check if it is good to stay. Or if I should check out another place instead. Or am I wrong?

[QUOTE=Fresh Meat]
I would like the hotel tariff to be around 10 - 20 usd
[/QUOTE]

That's backpacker flophouse pricing. I don't think you're going to find anything GF and hotel-like in that range anywhere near Nana.

[url]http://www.sawadee.com/hotels/bangkok.html[/url] is a good resource for Internet-bookable hotels. Look at the Sukhumvit hotels and search the forum for reviews.

Your other questions are in the FAQ except for the one about Vietnam travel. I'd fly Air Asia or Nok Air, discount carriers.

[QUOTE=Kroshka]Can anybody inform me about some bars/clubs where they do nude sex show and lesbian shows. Somewhere near Nana Plaza. And what time do those clubs open/close. I guess in general there are no entrance fee for those bars/clubs. So you can just walk in a check if it is good to stay. Or if I should check out another place instead. Or am I wrong?[/QUOTE]
If you click on "Search this Thread" then put
nude+shows
in the box and hit "go"
Then you will see all the posts about Soi Cowboy bars Suzie Wong, Long Gun, etc.
There is no entrance fee.

[QUOTE=Kroshka]Can anybody inform me about some bars/clubs where they do nude sex show and lesbian shows. Somewhere near Nana Plaza. And what time do those clubs open/close.[/QUOTE]I have not heard of any NEP club offering Lesbian shows.

However, here's what I suggest:

[b]Cheap Option:[/b]

Go to Soi Cowboy, Suzy Wongs has the best Lez show (around 22h30 I think), walk in, no entrance fee, have a beer or 2 and Enjoy.

[b][i]Cost: Approx Thb 500[/b][/i]

[b]Expensive Option:[/b]

Go to Eden Club on Soi 7/1, Pick 2 girls and enjoy 90 minutes of Live Porn sex, where you decide what happends: Lesbian, Anal, BJ... the whole works for as long as you can handle.

[b][i]Cost: Approx Thb 5000 (with Drinks & Tips)[/b][/i]

[QUOTE=Infomatic]I was at Pegasus last week. You would have marry more than half of them!

Honestly I do not what place in BKK can match Pegasus quality.[/QUOTE]

I understand there is an entry fee if not a member, plus a fee to have the girl sit at your table according to other posts. I estimate the charges up around 5,000B after all is said and done. How does that make sense if the earlier post was made by you? I am confused.





"Infomatic
Senior Member
Reports: 46 Paying more than 1200 Baht for one shot in BKK, is totally stupid, unless the girls is a real stunner.

I pulled this gorgeous little model from Pegasus, kept her all night = 2000 Baht.
We are now friends, and she comes back once or twice a week for the whole night = 1000 baht. A true stunner, and real good at it.

Sex wise, I am not shy to say that I have never -ever - tipped anyone".

[QUOTE=Fresh Meat]
I am planning to visit BKK and need advice from other fellow mongers on the following...3. Is the Ho chi minh city a better place in terms of pussy than hanoi and if yes then how long it takes to travel to ho chi minh and the mode of travel available.
I have gone thru some of the reports but I would like to know the pick up joints and whether free lancers can be picked if so and which place.
[/QUOTE]Fresh Meat, You may want to Google BKK, it is in Thailand not Vietnam.

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]I understand there is an entry fee if not a member, plus a fee to have the girl sit at your table according to other posts. I estimate the charges up around 5,000B after all is said and done. How does that make sense if the earlier post was made by you? I am confused.

"Infomatic
Senior Member
Reports: 46 Paying more than 1200 Baht for one shot in BKK, is totally stupid, unless the girls is a real stunner.

I pulled this gorgeous little model from Pegasus, kept her all night = 2000 Baht.
We are now friends, and she comes back once or twice a week for the whole night = 1000 baht. A true stunner, and real good at it.

Sex wise, I am not shy to say that I have never -ever - tipped anyone.[/QUOTE]I was with a member, drunk like a skunk, he offered to pay for her drink, I was guaranty by the staff that there were no fine for taking the girl out. I gave her 2000 for the whole night.

2000 Baht for a fine jewel is totally in my repertory... :))

Hi guys!

Thanks for great reports. I am going to BKK end of March and was wondering if anyone can tell me which good hotels on Sukhumwit are girl friendly?

Last time I stayed in JW Marriott and that was np. The Landmark have better rates though and I wouldnt mind staying there if they have the same policy. or Sheraton Grande or the Westin which I think is the Majestic Grande.

Any info is much appreciated!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Robbaf]Fresh Meat, You may want to Google BKK, it is in Thailand not Vietnam.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha, good catch :)

I just visited Annie's Sauna & Massage for the first time (about 3 hours ago) and have to give a big thumbs up. The acting manager there (Number 25. Phoom. Pronounced "Boom" I think) was very friendly, welcoming and professional (and sexy, too). I was offered drinks, but declined and there was no pressure to buy at all.

There were about 18 girls in the fishbowl, mostly lighter-skinned and, while not centerfolds, most all quite appealling. I chose Number 36. "Yat" (my perception of the name pronunciation may be all wrong here, sorry)(www anniesbangkok com/Girls.html) on Phoom's recommendation saying she "did everything" and, that's just what happened.

A kissing and fondling session was followed by mutual undressing session and a leisurely but exciting soapy bath together with lots of French kissing and soapy, slippery body sliding. After drying off, in bed where Yat showed her love-making talents. Since I'm a kissing freak, we hit it off quite nicely, but fingers were roaming wild as well and to make this report short, a good number of positions were tried and, true to Phoom's promise, Yat really delivered. Both good-quality vaginal and anal fucking in the knees-to-the-shoulders position were enjoyed immensely by me and, hopefully, also by Yat, who seemed to genuinely climax. After a chest cumming and 5 minutes of intimate, kissing and sweaty body sliding (up to the 60-minute mark now), we showered each other and I took a 15 minute intermezzo rest under the towel with which Yat kindly covered me with. She went off to smoke (or, at least, I think that was what she meant). Upon her return, she cuddled right up, we started Frenching and fondling again and 30 minutes or so later we jacked and finger-fucked each other to a second orgasm. The after showering was nice, but I had to hurry on home (no clock-watching noticed here).

There was one small glitch in the anal pricing negotiations, but this was my fault due to my very limited Thai and my misunderstanding of what Yat said. Phoom arbitrated and settled the matter very friendily and to everyone's satisfaction. I can only recommend Annie's and I will be returing ASAP.

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[QUOTE=Aventura69]Hi guys!

Thanks for great reports. I am going to BKK end of March and was wondering if anyone can tell me which good hotels on Sukhumwit are girl friendly?

Last time I stayed in JW Marriott and that was np. The Landmark have better rates though and I wouldnt mind staying there if they have the same policy. or Sheraton Grande or the Westin which I think is the Majestic Grande.

Any info is much appreciated!

Cheers![/QUOTE]
You are good to go at any of the hotels mentionned, though if it were me, I would stay at Livisngstone's.
[url]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/url]

see reports here.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=711656#post711656[/url]

Des1235,

Thanks for the report. I will be in BKK for my 1st visit next week and Annie's was on my "don't miss" list.

Just one question: What were the prices for service including the anal confusion?

Thanks again for the report.

[QUOTE=Aventura69]Hi guys!

Thanks for great reports. I am going to BKK end of March and was wondering if anyone can tell me which good hotels on Sukhumwit are girl friendly?

Last time I stayed in JW Marriott and that was np. The Landmark have better rates though and I wouldnt mind staying there if they have the same policy. or Sheraton Grande or the Westin which I think is the Majestic Grande.

Any info is much appreciated!

Cheers![/QUOTE]Aventura,

If you are looking for hotels in the caliber fo JW Marriott, you should perhaps try the Davis at the end of soi 22 where it meets soi 24 or the Dream hotel on Soi 15.

1Ball mentions livingstones, but truly, that is nowere near the class of the aforementioned locations. Plus, there is no drama with Davis or Dream. Livingstones is a has-been old lodge on a has-been old street. Nothing good coming out of there, for sure.

You may also want to consider a serviced apartment. There are many discussed here. And you will have complete privacy with all the pampering of a first class hotel.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I have not heard of any NEP club offering Lesbian shows.
[/QUOTE]I was in a bar next door to AngelWitch last night (sorry, can't remember which side) and they put on a lesbian show at 10.00pm. Didn't really pay much attention as my attention was elsewhere. It was pretty softcore, and I remember one of the ladies looked fairly old.

Hi,

Has any one been to Poseidon on Ratchadaphisek Road recently?

I was there on 2005 and it was ok and I am wondering if I should try it or not?

[QUOTE=Des1235]I just visited Annie's Sauna & Massage for the first time (about 3 hours ago) and have to give a big thumbs up. <cut>[/QUOTE]

Des,

Nice report. There's actually a massage thread for these types of reviews. Bangkok has so many options, there's separate threads.

AT2

Nice report Des, I hope you are going to tell us of your adventures in other places. I mean after your first ever post on ISG and how good Annies was, we would not want you to then never post again, or visit anywhere else. Such well written prose is welcome and adds lots.

Please do therefore tell us of the other places you visit, and with the same details.

[QUOTE=Des1235]I just visited Annie's Sauna & Massage for the first time (about 3 hours ago) and have to give a big thumbs up. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Silvermesh]Hi,

Has any one been to Poseidon on Ratchadaphisek Road recently?

I was there on 2005 and it was ok and I am wondering if I should try it or not?[/QUOTE]Hi,

You can still vist this place, it is still one the best places where falangs can go. Try some the top floors and the model sections, as we all know the stocks keeping changing and I am sure from your last visit almost 95% of the stock must have changed. The best time in the model section is between 5 to 7. 30 PM, where most of them are partime and you can aslo ask them for catalogue, but this is on pre-arrangement where they come. Be ready for few 100's of USD for top end.

If you have local thai contacts / business assocaites ask them for Thia places, exclusive ones, you would drop dead at the selection. Women who are no logner qualified or the rejects work in places where they service the tourist or the falang places.

They are 10's place in Ratch. , walk around the massage places and I am sure someone will catch you eye. Like they said "beauty lies in the eyes that behold".

Cheers

I had to do a report on this, pardon if it is not necessarily keeping with the topic of the forums but I found it extremely interesting and I think there may be a few others who might also be interested.

One evening as I was eating dinner I commented on the chili oil and mentioned to the General Manager at Livingstones that I would like to take some home. He asked the cook to buy some for me the next time she went to the Klong Toey market. I was interested in the market and chatted to him about it for a bit. It sounded interesting and I said I would like to go see it. With in 5 minutes he had arranged with the chef at the restaurant to take me the next time she went. As the Market is open late in the evening it was going to be a night trip around midnight.

The next evening I was sitting around talking to some friends and the GM came up to me and told me the chef, Apple, was going to the market at midnight if I wanted to go, of course I did. We got in a cab or the short ride over to the market from the hotel. When we got there the first thing that hits you is the smell. It is not bad but it is strong and consists of a little barnyard odor but also lot of spices and some smells of cooking food. The next thing you notice is that it is very wet from people hosing off everything from meat to fruits and vegetables. Many of the people walking around wear waterproof rubber boots to stay clean. As we started walking around the first thing you see are hundreds of live chickens and ducks in cages. I was told that if we got there earlier they would have been slaughtering some of them. We entered the front part of the market and there were stalls that had huge piles of all types of different curries and peppers. Everything you can imagine was available in these stalls. I bought my chili paste along with a bunch of different curries and spices. Next is a huge section of the market dealing with fish, most of which were still alive. They had all sorts of fish and shell fish in all different sizes and the prices were really cheap compared to what I am used to.

We kept walking and Apple was really nice but also a bit worried about me. The Market is really busy with lots of people moving huge barrels of food, pickup trucks moving food around, people spraying water to clean things, etc. She kept watching out for me and warning me about everything. It was pretty funny. The next section we went to was full of meat, mainly pigs, chickens, ducks and cows that were being butchered. Here we saw the hundreds of chickens and ducks that they had slaughtered just a couple hours earlier. They were eith all plucked and whole or were being cut up into various parts. Every possible cut of meat was available and all looked very fresh. Just past that was a huge section of fresh fruits and vegetables. It was really impressive. I have been to bug food markets in Asia before but this was bigger than any I had seen and definitely had a wider variety of foods. Of course it would not be Thailand without an elephant walking around with its handler. I had a great time seeing this part of Bangkok life and appreciate the guided tour.

If anyone wants to buy some great spices, fresh food, etc I would encourage you to check this place out. I would warn you that it is not for anyone with a weak stomach or who liked to buy their meat prepackages and in a supermarket.

I hope you check it out, I am looking forward to going back and getting some more curry.

PIT

[QUOTE=PassinThrough]I had to do a report on this, pardon if it is not necessarily keeping with the topic of the forums but I found it extremely interesting and I think there may be a few others who might also be interested.

One evening as I was eating dinner I commented on the chili oil and mentioned to the General Manager at Livingstones that I would like to take some home. He asked the cook to buy some for me the next time she went to the Klong Toey market. I was interested in the market and chatted to him about it for a bit. It sounded interesting and I said I would like to go see it. With in 5 minutes he had arranged with the chef at the restaurant to take me the next time she went. As the Market is open late in the evening it was going to be a night trip around midnight.

The next evening I was sitting around talking to some friends and the GM came up to me and told me the chef, Apple, was going to the market at midnight if I wanted to go, of course I did. We got in a cab or the short ride over to the market from the hotel. When we got there the first thing that hits you is the smell. It is not bad but it is strong and consists of a little barnyard odor but also lot of spices and some smells of cooking food. The next thing you notice is that it is very wet from people hosing off everything from meat to fruits and vegetables. Many of the people walking around wear waterproof rubber boots to stay clean. As we started walking around the first thing you see are hundreds of live chickens and ducks in cages. I was told that if we got there earlier they would have been slaughtering some of them. We entered the front part of the market and there were stalls that had huge piles of all types of different curries and peppers. Everything you can imagine was available in these stalls. I bought my chili paste along with a bunch of different curries and spices. Next is a huge section of the market dealing with fish, most of which were still alive. They had all sorts of fish and shell fish in all different sizes and the prices were really cheap compared to what I am used to.

We kept walking and Apple was really nice but also a bit worried about me. The Market is really busy with lots of people moving huge barrels of food, pickup trucks moving food around, people spraying water to clean things, etc. She kept watching out for me and warning me about everything. It was pretty funny. The next section we went to was full of meat, mainly pigs, chickens, ducks and cows that were being butchered. Here we saw the hundreds of chickens and ducks that they had slaughtered just a couple hours earlier. They were eith all plucked and whole or were being cut up into various parts. Every possible cut of meat was available and all looked very fresh. Just past that was a huge section of fresh fruits and vegetables. It was really impressive. I have been to bug food markets in Asia before but this was bigger than any I had seen and definitely had a wider variety of foods. Of course it would not be Thailand without an elephant walking around with its handler. I had a great time seeing this part of Bangkok life and appreciate the guided tour.

If anyone wants to buy some great spices, fresh food, etc I would encourage you to check this place out. I would warn you that it is not for anyone with a weak stomach or who liked to buy their meat prepackages and in a supermarket.

I hope you check it out, I am looking forward to going back and getting some more curry.

PIT[/QUOTE]

Nice report I wish there were places like that in the UK, Where in bangkok is it?

[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]Nice report I wish there were places like that in the UK, Where in bangkok is it?[/QUOTE]Er. Klong toey?

As a fridge engineer I can tell you that killing something just before you need too sell it saves a lot of electric.

[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]Nice report I wish there were places like that in the UK, Where in bangkok is it?[/QUOTE]

Rama 4 starting around the intersection of Rachada (Asoke) and spreading west towards downtown and south towards the harbour.

Greetings,

I will be visiting in mid March for a few days. I am on an expense account and would like to stay stay at a GF 4-5 star Hotel. I had been leaning towards the Shangri la, but after going thru some of the posts here have since decided against it.

Having read some of the reports I tried to Book at the Sheraton, and JW Marriott, but both are sold out. I have manged to book at the Plaza Athénée. I am wondering if this is a good place or is it too far from the action? Some reports seem to indicate it is GF.

Is the EDEN club the best place to visit for quality and variety and to get take out. Any other recommendations?

I would appreciate any guidance you could provide me.

Thanks,

Dave

[QUOTE=Leo2000]Hi,

You can still vist this place, it is still one the best places where falangs can go. Try some the top floors and the model sections, as we all know the stocks keeping changing and I am sure from your last visit almost 95% of the stock must have changed. The best time in the model section is between 5 to 7. 30 PM, where most of them are partime and you can aslo ask them for catalogue, but this is on pre-arrangement where they come. Be ready for few 100's of USD for top end.

If you have local thai contacts / business assocaites ask them for Thia places, exclusive ones, you would drop dead at the selection. Women who are no logner qualified or the rejects work in places where they service the tourist or the falang places.

They are 10's place in Ratch. , walk around the massage places and I am sure someone will catch you eye. Like they said "beauty lies in the eyes that behold".

Cheers[/QUOTE]

I totally disagree. This place charges a very unfriendly farang surcharge ranging from 500-1000 B. Any place doing this IMHO is not "farang friendly". It seems, quite the opposite. Why not patronize and reward places that charge the same price to everyone regardless of nationality? By the way, I have been to this place (and paid the charge)....just to see if anything special was happening there. It certainly was not...the quality can be had at many other place....without the surcharge.

I also completely disagree with the comment that the "rejects" go to work at places where farangs visit. I have been to a few Thai only clubs with business associates....nothing special believe me.

The massage game is one where the best picks are sometimes least expected!!

[QUOTE=Fresh Meat]HI

I am planning to visit BKK and need advice from other fellow mongers on the following :-

1. GF Hotels and their rates and whether they can be book online.

2. Where to get pussy for ST and LT.

3. Is the Ho chi minh city a better place in terms of pussy than hanoi and if yes then how long it takes to travel to ho chi minh and the mode of travel available.

I have gone thru some of the reports but I would like to know the pick up joints and whether free lancers can be picked if so and which place.

would love to hear on these.

what is the average cost for a pussy per night and also ST

I would like the hotel tariff to be around 10 - 20 usd

Cheers

Fresh Meat[/QUOTE]This is so easy yiou will not believe it. Just go to the Nana plaza area and stay there. Everything you will ever need is there except beach.

The rates will range from 700-1500 baht. Girls will and should never be more that 1000 B for ST. I had LT for that as well. Looks like your on the cheap, so as far as Vietnam is concerned, your really fucked there. Pussy is 150.00 US in all clubs, and hotels are not cheap. But the sites are unreal.

Good luck and let us know what happens, with Pics. Sorry Admin for answering the whole question here.

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]I totally disagree. This place charges a very unfriendly farang surcharge ranging from 500-1000 B. Any place doing this IMHO is not "farang friendly". It seems, quite the opposite. Why not patronize and reward places that charge the same price to everyone regardless of nationality? By the way, I have been to this place (and paid the charge)....just to see if anything special was happening there. It certainly was not...the quality can be had at many other place....without the surcharge.

I also completely disagree with the comment that the "rejects" go to work at places where farangs visit. I have been to a few Thai only clubs with business associates....nothing special believe me.

The massage game is one where the best picks are sometimes least expected!![/QUOTE]Thumbs up!

I could not have said it better.

This information I have cut out from the information-thread about how to get to and from the airport:

"Since the taxi situation is tightly controlled now and they are only allowed to park in certain locations, it would be difficult to impossible to get a cab at Departure level 4."

I arrived yesterday, Febr 25, in the afternoon to the Suvarnabhumi airport. Despite the above information I went to the Departure level. It was no problem at all to have a meter-taxi take me to Sukumvit, soi 2. The taxameter was 225 baht when we arrived at the hotel.

Tom Ling

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]I totally disagree. This place charges a very unfriendly farang surcharge ranging from 500-1000 B. Any place doing this IMHO is not "farang friendly". It seems, quite the opposite. Why not patronize and reward places that charge the same price to everyone regardless of nationality? By the way, I have been to this place (and paid the charge)....just to see if anything special was happening there. It certainly was not...the quality can be had at many other place....without the surcharge.

I also completely disagree with the comment that the "rejects" go to work at places where farangs visit. I have been to a few Thai only clubs with business associates....nothing special believe me.

The massage game is one where the best picks are sometimes least expected!![/QUOTE]
The "Unfriendliness" is really just your attitude to their practice. They don't feel that they are being unfriendly.
At least they publish their Farang surcharge and are consistent about it.This doesn't mean I like it. Its just like it or lump it.

But its another issue altogether as to whether the "models" at Poseidon are worth the extra Baht. I have been upstarirs and failed to find a really pretty faced one in a bunch of 12 to 15 models.
Girls being young is not good enough for me.
Young and nice figure does not equal pretty.

BTW, There is a Bangkok Massage Thread.
Some readers would complain that this massage stuff is really boring.

I've stayed in the Landmark 6 months ago, no problem at all taking your girl with you.

Nice hotel with excellent bar/restaurant downstairs.

Rolo

[QUOTE=Aventura69]Hi guys!

Thanks for great reports. I am going to BKK end of March and was wondering if anyone can tell me which good hotels on Sukhumwit are girl friendly?

Last time I stayed in JW Marriott and that was np. The Landmark have better rates though and I wouldnt mind staying there if they have the same policy. or Sheraton Grande or the Westin which I think is the Majestic Grande.

Any info is much appreciated!

Cheers![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomling]This information I have cut out from the information-thread about how to get to and from the airport:

"Since the taxi situation is tightly controlled now and they are only allowed to park in certain locations, it would be difficult to impossible to get a cab at Departure level 4."

I arrived yesterday, Febr 25, in the afternoon to the Suvarnabhumi airport. Despite the above information I went to the Departure level. It was no problem at all to have a meter-taxi take me to Sukumvit, soi 2. The taxameter was 225 baht when we arrived at the hotel.

Tom Ling[/QUOTE]Yes, it quite simple and after new airport opened, I've seen the arrival taxi stand. From day one, I just took the evelator to 4th floor and you have taxi's looking to go back to city after dropping the pax.

Simple.come out of customs, take right turn & you will see the elevator, just press "4" come out the elevator, take a left turn and your out. You will find taxis wating for you. Just tell your address, tell him to flag the meter and your will pay the toll: simple.

Cheers

Well I just got back from another full filled week in Bangkok and had a smashing good time as always!

I stayed at the Nana Hotel against the warnings of some of the forum members. The Majestic Suites were recommended instead and I tried to book there but they were full.

Pros: Cheap, good location, tight security, pool area is actually rather nice, just get there before the sun gets blocked out by the surrounding buildings. This seems to happen around 3PM.

Cons: Little run down. When was the last time you saw wood paneling in a hotel room? Carpets need to be replaced and the halls need a new coat of paint.

Made a trek down to Soi Cowboy one night and headed into a native American themed bar. Apache I think it was. The bar is not very big. It's something of a strip bar as in it's in the shape of one long strip with about 5 girls "dancing" (I use the term dancing loosely).

I found a nice dark skinned girl at the end who was really working it up on stage. While others seemed to be doing the obligator shuffle and wiggle this one was really getting into it. I chose her figuring she had a lot of energy and this strategy has worked well for me before.

So I bar fine her 500bht and we head back to the hotel for ST. When we get there she's very hesitant to get undressed which has got me worried. She was dancing topless in the bar but still had her bottoms on. Now I'm getting worried. She's obviously very concerned about something and I'm affraid to find out what it is. Perhaps she has the other half of her Siamese Twin's face still attached to her ass.

Her English, like my Thai, is pretty much non-existant. She keeps talking but I'm not understanding a dam thing. Finally she takes offer drawers and the source of her concern is revealed. She is menstruating. Needless to say I'm not happy. Perhaps I need to spend more time reading this forum but it never occured to me that girls would actually be working while on the rag.

At any rate, we get dressed and I take her back to the bar. I find the Mamasan, explain the situation and she graciously refunds my barfine. I left the bar and headed over to RawHide and found myself another cutie there.

Two days later I was in the Beir Garden on soi 7 telling my tale of woe to a local ex-pat from Australia. Apparently this happens frequently and the word to listen for or ask about is "mens". If the girl keeps saying something about mens you probably need to move along to the next one.

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This question is for the locals and ex-pats who have spent considerable time in country and are more familiar with the culture and local views.

Is it distasteful to take prostitutes to temples and other religious sites?

Here is the situation. I picked up a girl from Long Gun one night and we hit it off great. Ended up going long time and kept her all night. She was phenomenal! Horny as hell. The next day we got up and had breakfast together. I was expecting her to leave but she wanted to stay with me for the day. OK, sure why not. All I had planned for that day was a walking tour that I had printed up from the Internet that inlcuded the Golden Mount, Loha Prasat, the monk bowl village, the giant Swing and another what that was near by.

I must say that we had a great time. There was a lot of walking involve and a bit of me getting us turned around and lost once or twice but she never complained or looked upset or unhappy. It was also nice having someone to hand the camera to whenever I saw a picture that I wanted to be in.

I became accutely aware that maybe this wasn't a good idea. When we went to the Golden Mount she spent a few of her own baht and bought some incense, a candle and gold leaf and did a bit of a kneeling and praying thing before an idol of Buddha. She was aware that her thong underware was sticking out whenever she was in this position. She tried to hide it but wasn't doing a very good job.

In the mean time I stood in the background reverently with my shoes and hat removed, taking photos of the absolutely beautiful works of art that were there, including the image of Buddha. I tried to translate this whole situation to something that I could relate to back in the States but couldn't.

The only thing I could come up with is an imaginary situation in some place like New York City. How would I feel if rich Arab Muslims routinely came over and picked up hookers from a well known red light district, lets call it little Arabia. And these women were not high class prostitutes but from the poorer section of the country, lets say the back woods and hills of West Virgina. Something akin to "white trash", "Jerry Springer" material. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I was told that bar girls are not looked upon very highly in Thai society). Not only do these imaginary Arabs come over to have fun with cute white girls they find so attractive but they also have the audacity to venture with them outside of the "zone" and take them around the city to where else, but some nice historic Cathedrals around town. These girls, who are probably inappropriately dressed, go in and kneel and pray while their companion, politely stands in the background photographing the site and situation.

I don't know how I would feel if I was a local and was sitting the pew next to such a girl who walked in. Would I be upset that she's disgracing the sanctity of a holy site or would I feel good that this Muslim has brought this woman of the sheets to kneel before God?

I don't know if this is funny or not but I can't help but smile when I see it.

[QUOTE=Member #3060]Is it distasteful to take prostitutes to temples and other religious sites? [/QUOTE]

I don't see how it could be distasteful when they have an altar smack dab in NEP. But who knows.

[QUOTE=Member #3060]

Is it distasteful to take prostitutes to temples and other religious sites?
[/QUOTE]

I did it too if you see my post on my first BKK experience.

My gal was a very average looking Thai gal and did not look out of place. I am an Asian so I guess I did not feel out of place (I go to temples often).

The people around us were from all colors - there were whites, locals, middlemen, everything (no racial comment intended here)... and my gal actually prayed (I did too) and she donated some money in the charity box.

We sat in the sanctity of the temple for a while and then left. On being asked, she told me later that she does not frequent that temple but I am sure she must be going to some temple coz she prayed and did it well...

As long as there is no obviously wrong thing that you do at a place of worship - I think all religions / cultures are very accepting of other religion people to come to their place of worship (no religious comment intended, just a personal feeling).

I think you should be fine doing that :), take it easy!

[QUOTE=Member #3060]Is it distasteful to take prostitutes to temples and other religious sites?[/QUOTE]I do not think it is distasteful as a girl is only a prostitute by Profession and not by nature. Think of it as you taking a Woman to a temple.

Having said that, I would personally not do it.

[QUOTE=Member #3060]...
Is it distasteful to take prostitutes to temples and other religious sites?
...
[/QUOTE]Member #3060,

Definitely [b]not[/b] distasteful.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Member #3060]Is it distasteful to take prostitutes to temples and other religious sites?[/QUOTE]Are you mad? Given that for men, if you mess up (get caught with a girl by the wife, kill someone, rob someone, get done for drugs etc.) lots of them shave their head and go and be monks, its very very harmless being a *****.

Thai prostitutes also donate a lot of money to the temples, in exchange for lots of good luck and nice farang to marry chants and prayers, so if anyone is not welcome at a temple, its probably a good honest person who wants nothing more in their life. As these people tend not to need to pay too much money to the monks for blessings and good luck ahead.

[QUOTE=Member #3060]This question is for the locals and ex-pats who have spent considerable time in country and are more familiar with the culture and local views.

Is it distasteful to take prostitutes to temples and other religious sites?

Here is the situation. I picked up a girl from Long Gun one night and we hit it off great. Ended up going long time and kept her all night. She was phenomenal! Horny as hell. The next day we got up and had breakfast together. I was expecting her to leave but she wanted to stay with me for the day. OK, sure why not. All I had planned for that day was a walking tour that I had printed up from the Internet that inlcuded the Golden Mount, Loha Prasat, the monk bowl village, the giant Swing and another what that was near by.

I must say that we had a great time. There was a lot of walking involve and a bit of me getting us turned around and lost once or twice but she never complained or looked upset or unhappy. It was also nice having someone to hand the camera to whenever I saw a picture that I wanted to be in.

I became accutely aware that maybe this wasn't a good idea. When we went to the Golden Mount she spent a few of her own baht and bought some incense, a candle and gold leaf and did a bit of a kneeling and praying thing before an idol of Buddha. She was aware that her thong underware was sticking out whenever she was in this position. She tried to hide it but wasn't doing a very good job.

In the mean time I stood in the background reverently with my shoes and hat removed, taking photos of the absolutely beautiful works of art that were there, including the image of Buddha. I tried to translate this whole situation to something that I could relate to back in the States but couldn't.

The only thing I could come up with is an imaginary situation in some place like New York City. How would I feel if rich Arab Muslims routinely came over and picked up hookers from a well known red light district, lets call it little Arabia. And these women were not high class prostitutes but from the poorer section of the country, lets say the back woods and hills of West Virgina. Something akin to "white trash", "Jerry Springer" material. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I was told that bar girls are not looked upon very highly in Thai society). Not only do these imaginary Arabs come over to have fun with cute white girls they find so attractive but they also have the audacity to venture with them outside of the "zone" and take them around the city to where else, but some nice historic Cathedrals around town. These girls, who are probably inappropriately dressed, go in and kneel and pray while their companion, politely stands in the background photographing the site and situation.

I don't know how I would feel if I was a local and was sitting the pew next to such a girl who walked in. Would I be upset that she's disgracing the sanctity of a holy site or would I feel good that this Muslim has brought this woman of the sheets to kneel before God?[/QUOTE]Hi,

As a old hand who has worked and lived on & off in Thai, I can tell mixed marriages are quite common, not only in BKK, travel the length & breath of the country and you will find mixed couple.

The only way people will know your with BG, the dress, as long as she does not wear a dress which tell screaming "Prostitute", your will not will give a second look. The sad part given there profession, the dress speaks loud about the work.

There are BG’s who know how dress decently & behave once they move out of bar, they are all like normal TG. In my early days travel to BKK in 90’s, yes I did go BG’s and I would insist that they dress normal and if she did not a dress I would just buy them a decent dress in Suk. , so that they walk the shame, like any other cornmeal TG when getting into the hotels, Temples, Mall, ects. , I did go to the temples with a them and they would pray and no body noticed them as long as there dressing gels with the Thaïs.

Given there Buddhist following BG would not go to temple dress in there working clothes as they know it is disrespect.

Nothing wrong in going to temples mates, just make sure you respect the religion & behave what is required in the surrounding around and carry your self. End of the end, she might be prostitute but she is like any normal human being who is forced into the business for what ever reason. Now I have TG wife and I never felt how people look us at us. All they think she lucky one to get hooked to a ATM? .

Cheers