Fortaleza

[QUOTE=Apocalpso]Actually the age of consent in Brazil can be 16.

If you like a special girl , she can haveher parent or parents sign a "Declaration of Emancipation" at the Cartorio[/QUOTE]"In Brazil, the age of consent is 14, according to new article 217-A of the Brazilian Penal Code (see text here in Portuguese), regardless of gender and/or sexual orientation."

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_South_America[/url]

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Hi Luka22,

The Age of Consent is irrelevant.

What you need to know is the [u]Age of Majority[/u], which among other things is the age in which they can vote, get married, enlist in the military, and participate in commercial sex activities.

Please exercise caution.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

[quote=luka22]"in brazil, the age of consent is 14, according to new article 217-a of the brazilian penal code (see text here in portuguese), regardless of gender and/or sexual orientation."

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ages_of_consent_in_south_america[/url][/quote]

are you serious? using wikipedia as your source?

w did you a favour and went and read the actual law. the page wiki is pointing is a law from 1940 that has been rewritten in many times.

unfortunately i couldn't find anything related age of consent. trust me, in brasil it is 18. i guarantee that if you are caucht with a girl under that age you'll still remain very attractive, though not by the women. although if you keep insisting going after **** girls in here, do yourself a favor: buy lifelong stock of k&y, you'll be needing it if you get caucht.

leave the small fishes to grow.


i must correct myself.

the age of consent really is 14 in brasil. although if you pay to a girl less than 18 years old it is a crime. also be aware that law disputes that if the minor than 18 doesn't show maturity it is a crime to have sexual relations with her.

so pretty thin ice to me.....

[quote=perkele]the age of consent really is 14 in brasil. although if you pay to a girl less than 18 years old it is a crime. also be aware that law disputes that if the minor than 18 doesn't show maturity it is a crime to have sexual relations with her.[/quote]what is your source?

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hi luka22,

the age of consent is irrelevant to you as this it only the age in which they can participate in consensual, non-commercial sex with her teen-age boyfriend without said teen-age boyfriend being charged with statutory [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].

what you need to focus on is the [u]age of majority[/u], which among other things is the age in which they can vote, get married, enlist in the military, and participate in commercial sex activities.

please exercise caution.

thanks,

jackson[/blue]

Luka, I pointed it out to you a couple of posts ago. The forum rules says: "Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to any person(s) under the age of 18 years. Any person violating this policy will banned immediately."

Your interest in minors seems weird to me. Maybe you should invest in some good knee-protection for the future?

[QUOTE=Luka22]"In Brazil, the age of consent is 14, according to new article 217-A of the Brazilian Penal Code (see text here in Portuguese), regardless of gender and/or sexual orientation."

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_South_America[/url][/QUOTE][blue]=============================================

Hi Luka22,

The Age of Consent is irrelevant.

What you need to know is the [u]Age of Majority[/u], which among other things is the age in which they can vote, get married, enlist in the military, and participate in commercial sex activities.

Please exercise caution.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

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Hi Luka22,

The Age of Consent is irrelevant.

What you need to know is the [u]Age of Majority[/u], which among other things is the age in which they can vote, get married, enlist in the military, and participate in commercial sex activities.

Please exercise caution.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification.

As a matter of fact, I had dropped the subject but Apocalpso answered my post with something that seemed a bit vague to me.

As for other members' messages, I think it is quite amazing to see how they get agressive when someone speaks of Age of consent. In many countries, including mine, the age of consent is not 18 and I was not referring to this age as the legal age for prostitution.

I have no interest in under 18 year old girls, quite the contrary. Yet, it happened to me quite a few times in my life to meet a girl looking about 20 who said she was 18 and I repeatedly had to ask her to show me her ID. Which she could not, so I did not do anything with her (and it was not in the framework of prostitution at all).
But still I think it is important to be aware of the legal age of consent for sex (and for prostitution) in any country.

Now if the subject is banned here, I don't care. Why are we discussing it anyways? Let's drop it...

[QUOTE=Spinnerman]I moved to Fortaleza from Rio about a month ago. I lived in Rio 18 months. I like Fortaleza better. The weather is perfect. Girls have less drama and cost less than Rio. It's much safer!

Met plenty of girls , I can replace my stable from Rio no problem.

What I miss are English Gringos that live here. Everybody here seems to be Italian or Norwegian.

Any English gringos here? Lets meet for a beer, see if we have anything in common.[/QUOTE]

I think this is going to be one of the biggest issues you face. I was there for a 9 days and didn't speak a word of English. First thought nothing of it, but I missed it a lot at the end. You better find some English speakers soon or you go mad ....!!!

(I also agree with Forta chicas being more GFE and with less drama comparing to Rio, a lot cheaper too, if I go to Rio again it will only be for 4x4 terma !?!?)

Guys and what about the beauty ?

So far as I got 99% of GFE in Rio, I could care about weather and prices, but where do they look more attractive ?

I did a test, if it means something...., checked many girls in match.com from rio and from Forta, carioca seem to me much better.

Btw I like light skin girl.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Guys and what about the beauty ?
So far as I got 99% of GFE in Rio, I could care about weather and prices, but where do they look more attractive ?
I did a test, if it means something...., checked many girls in match.com from rio and from Forta, carioca seem to me much better.
Btw I like light skin girl.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
When it comes to GPs. Fortaleza is cheaper and TLN and GFE is more of a standard procedure.

When it comes to beauty it's more complicated. In general the carioca women are more beautiful than the women in Fortaleza. People in Ceará are infamous for being short, chubby, round headed and without necks. There are many women that fits that description, but there are also many stunning women. I don't care if even 50-70% of the women have footballs-heads, that not the ones I choose.

I think it's difficult to compare Rio and Fortaleza, as they are two different playgrounds. I like both cities very much. Fortaleza has the advantage of being very easy to score non-pro's.

I would agree with Sperto's assessment. There are plenty of stunners here , but bottom-line the girls of Rio are better looking than here.

And as I prefer slim mulatas, the difference is even greater. Here almost everyone is lighter skinned.

(mind you if you like shorter chubbier girls you're in heaven here)

I can just hear my South African friend R. saying " Not enough Blecks"

Thanks guys, I was in Recife in 2003 and the majority of girls were black skin, so I thought it is the same for Forta, as they are both in north east.

So far as I went till Floripa, in future better to check Forta too, as I agree with Sperto, no matter how the 80% of girls look like as 10 girls in 2 weeks are more than enough for me :)

Hello everyone!

Well, I'm a Brazilian man and I was born here in Fortaleza. Since I also like to travel a lot looking for some action, I thought that maybe I could be somehow help people here giving some usefull informations.

I'm also a lawyer, so anything I can help, I'd be glad to.

Hello folks,

I'm a Brazilian borned and raised here in Fortaleza. Since I'm also someone who seeks for informations about other places, in matters of nightlife and women, I'd like to help with some informations anyone might want ask.

Also, I'm a lawyer, so, if any help is needed, just ask for it to me.

Hello,

Do any of you guys know a bar in Fortaleza called "Zanzibar" or another one called "garota de ipanema"?

Are they good? Which day is best to go?

Thanks!

Anyone know of the Comfort Hotel is GF? with or without a fee? I am going to call to ask but I was wondering if anhyone had any experience?

Thanks

[QUOTE=InBrazilSoon]Anyone know of the Comfort Hotel is GF? with or without a fee? I am going to call to ask but I was wondering if anhyone had any experience?

Thanks[/QUOTE]


Not GF - if you do find another hotel that is GF let us know....

Dev

[QUOTE=Devileyes]Not GF - if you do find another hotel that is GF let us know....

Dev[/QUOTE]Thanks- If I find something I will let you know.

What about short term hotels in Fort? are they all over or are there good ones I should know about?

[QUOTE=InBrazilSoon]Thanks- If I find something I will let you know.

What about short term hotels in Fort? are they all over or are there good ones I should know about?[/QUOTE]


Short terms are MOTELS. Last time I visited one was the Village Motel near ground zero. It was 25 BR for an hour.

Check out the IBIS hotel. I visited on my last trip and found it was GF, but I have heard other folks say it is not GF. I plan to be out there sometime early 2010. I want to try that place out if it is GF.

Thanks
Dev

IBIS Fortaleza is GF but you have to pay fees (20R per day)

Very important she need to produce ID only for a short time registration. If she only have her passport she will not be allowed to go in your room (my own experience)

Unfortunately all of the hotels are booked so I will stay in an apartment. I always prefer apartments in Rio but was hoping to find a GF hotel this Fortaleza trip. Oh well.

Thanks for the tips. Anyone in Town January 1.9? Send me a PM.

Hi,

I am planning my first trip to Fortaleza at the beginning of March and would like to ask some tips to make the most of it. I am interested in both the non-pro and pro scenes. I have read in previous reports about the Cafe del Mar-Forrò Mambo-Zipi Bar "triangle" to meet pros. Is this the only place to meet them, or there are more and maybe better ones? What about the non-pros, are there shopping centres or other recommended places to meet them? I have also read different opinions about the beauty of the girls in Fortaleza, what is the truth in your opinion?

For the accomodation, I found this website on the web: [url]http://www.fortalezaapartments.net:[/url] does anyone of you know if it is any good? Many thanks!

I just got back today from Fortaleza. Long time Rio traveller.

First time to Fortaleza.

Will be posting a report soon.

i have been here since december 15th. until the 26th the place was almost deserted. then the brazilian masses arrived and the place was packed until the first week of january. now it is simply full.

thanks to that lesbian (they say so) lady major many things have changed recently to the worst.

europa bar in the triangle is closed. rumor is that police found two **** girls there. it seems that the portero responsible for checking their id’s fucked up management and the business.

zippie bar is asking a 10 reais entrance fee lately and has increased drink prices too resulting in much fewer monger than before.

the two barracas on praia iracema have been demolished by the lady major as well as the bebelux restaurant there.

mamma was trying to sell her barraca at beira mar opposite mc donald for the last two years. she finally managed to do so and sold it to two italian guys who changed its name to mamma italia and tried to expand it most probably without permission. it was taken down too. no more mamma’s barraca for the girls to hang out.

the only time that i show pirata to be full was on monday after xmass. all other mondays only half full. not like recent years when you couldn’t breath because the crowds.

armagen still going strong on wednesdays so does crocobeach on thursdays.

prices have gone up considerably too. last year i was paying 1600 reais for my apartment at iate plaza this year 2500. last year reais was almost 3 to a euro this year less than 2,5 making it an increase of almost 85%. last year the price of a small car was 1500/month this year 1850.

i was at the triangle yesterday at midnight. the guys were twice as many as the girls and still the place looked deserted in comparison to the years before. it seems that too many girls have gone to natal for better opportunities.

i went to belissima an evening and the very few good looking ones i had sampled the last year. the place was taken by very noisy brazilians at 21:00 so after an hour i called the night of and left empty handed.

my overall impression is that fortaleza is definitely into the decline. i've been coming here for the last seven years but imho it was never that bad before. i believe that it is going to be worst next year and more costly the years to come due to the world cup and the rio olympics.

bye bye fortaleza for me.

its not rio!

just returned from my first trip to fortaleza. i was there for 8 nights. i have been to rio many times and all of my opinions here are obviously only based on my short stay in a city that i was, and still am, unfamiliar with.

day 1- i arrived on a friday and checked into my apartment. the first night i went to the forro mambo area around 11 to check things out. things were just getting started so i hung out in the heineken bar and watched things start to develop. around 12:30 i went into café del mar. this was january 1st and the place was packed. the problem is that it was packed with men. 10 to 1 ratio of men to women. so out of the women i would bang it was like 30 men to every 1 doable chick. crazy!

- the hot women would not even talk to me. i am 40, 5'8 155lbs and very very fit. i dress well, i have all of my hair and i am a pretty normal looking guy. i am white and can easily pass as italian (which i am but i grew up in the us), or i could pass as french or german or dutch. pretty normal looking. many of the girls were very young and there were several girls obviously ****.

then went into forro mambo-same thing

i was probably the only man who did not speak italian within 4 blocks.?

i finally found someone doable and we went back to my place.

day2.next night same thing different girl.

day 3 same thing different girl

day 4- went to zipi bar earlier and the ratio seemed to be improving but only slightly. then went to forro mambo and found karla. we went back to my place and had sex for 48 hours straight. gave her 300 reais.

i was now sick of my apartment so i checked into a hotel. ponta mar. it did not seem girl friendly but when i checked in they asked if i was alone and i said that my giorlfriend would be joingin me later. they asked for her name so i gave the name of my favorite rio chick. lets say her name is

thais dos santos pacheco. more later.

day 5 i was tired so stayed in.

day 6 went to forro mambo and found a girl and we went to a motel.

day 7- 2 nights left. found a real cutie in forro mambo 19 yo, tight no kids so cute. she was like lets go back to your hotel. i told her i don't think that will work but she said of course it will. so we tried.

obviously before we left the club is asked to see her id and her name was

thais dos santos moraes.

close enough.?

they let her in and we spent the next 2 days together. gave her 250r. very happy.

so i do not know if ponta mar hotel is girl friendly but they let her in and she was very clearly and 18 or 19 yo gdp. and she hung with me at the hotel for 2 days.

went to praia futuro a few days and at barraca boa vida there are many gdp's there but it is really tough in high season to do anything because the place is so packed mostly with families.

the city is quite dirty and smells. the streets behind the beach are deserted for the most part. more of the wealth in frotaleza seems to be far from the beach near the iquatemi mall. much nicer around there. my apartment was 2 blocks from the beach and just to walk to the beach i felt like i was walking through an abandoned city. overall the italians totally rule the mongering scene. when i am in rio i can walk up to any gdp and she is nice will talk to me and if i want her no problem. in fortaleza more work was required for me. the top shelf women during the first few nights would barely look at me. so many 20 something year old italian guys.

the scene started to change as the new years crowds left and the ratio started getting better and the attitudes of the hot chicks improved as well but a bad time to go for sure.

i am still undecided as to whether i will return.

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[quote=el greco]i have been here since december 15th. until the 26th the place was almost deserted. then the brazilian masses arrived and the place was packed until the first week of january. now it is simply full.

thanks to that lesbian (they say so) lady major many things have changed recently to the worst.

europa bar in the triangle is closed. rumor is that police found two **** girls there. it seems that the portero responsible for checking their id’s fucked up management and the business.

zippie bar is asking a 10 reais entrance fee lately and has increased drink prices too resulting in much fewer monger than before.

the two barracas on praia iracema have been demolished by the lady major as well as the bebelux restaurant there.

mamma was trying to sell her barraca at beira mar opposite mc donald for the last two years. she finally managed to do so and sold it to two italian guys who changed its name to mamma italia and tried to expand it most probably without permission. it was taken down too. no more mamma’s barraca for the girls to hang out.

the only time that i show pirata to be full was on monday after xmass. all other mondays only half full. not like recent years when you couldn’t breath because the crowds.

armagen still going strong on wednesdays so does crocobeach on thursdays.

prices have gone up considerably too. last year i was paying 1600 reais for my apartment at iate plaza this year 2500. last year reais was almost 3 to a euro this year less than 2,5 making it an increase of almost 85%. last year the price of a small car was 1500/month this year 1850.

i was at the triangle yesterday at midnight. the guys were twice as many as the girls and still the place looked deserted in comparison to the years before. it seems that too many girls have gone to natal for better opportunities.

i went to belissima an evening and the very few good looking ones i had sampled the last year. the place was taken by very noisy brazilians at 21:00 so after an hour i called the night of and left empty handed.

my overall impression is that fortaleza is definitely into the decline. i've been coming here for the last seven years but imho it was never that bad before. i believe that it is going to be worst next year and more costly the years to come due to the world cup and the rio olympics.

bye bye fortaleza for me.[/quote]

this is really disappointing. i love going to fortaleza becuase the prices where better, the girls looked better, and not as many guys as rio.

i was there is oct, and i noticed that zippi but glass on the front, not sure why. zippi now charing to get in? damm. this was a great "free" scout location becuase all the girls left there and went to mamboos.

i have never had too much luck in amrazen becuase it seem there are alot of regualar girls in there. not sure whose working; and yes i went on wendesday.

are you saying the two bars that are across from mcdonalds is closed? i knew about the italian place. what i was told was they had live music in violation of some orders.

when to bellisima a couple of times, but after they tried to rip me off by putting empty beer can on our table, i never went back. there is another small casa call jennifer's (i think). they have a court yard and all the room are on the frist floor, and the girls were beautiful.

[QUOTE=Dwilso39]This is really disappointing. I love going to Fortaleza becuase the prices where better, the girls looked better, and not as many guys as RIO.

I was there is Oct, and I noticed that Zippi but glass on the front, not sure why. Zippi now charing to get in? Damm. This was a great "free" scout location becuase all the girls left there and went to Mamboos.

I have never had too much luck in Amrazen becuase it seem there are alot of regualar girls in there. Not sure whose working; and yes I went on Wendesday.

Are you saying the two bars that are across from McDonalds is closed? I knew about the Italian place. What I was told was they had live music in violation of some orders.

When to Bellisima a couple of times, but after they tried to rip me off by putting empty beer can on our table, I never went back. There is another small casa call Jennifer's (I think). They have a court yard and all the room are on the frist floor, and the girls were beautiful.[/QUOTE]

Let me correct my self. Zipie bar put some curtain on the door and they want minimum 10 reais consumption.Not entrance fee.

I am talking of the two barracas that were on Praia Iracema. One infront of the Pelicanos restaurant and the other towards Zipie. That one was taken by an Italian last year. He spent a lot of money to upgrade it put trees and made it look like a garden, he even changed the tiles. He made it real nice but they took it down too.

I used to sit there and watch the talent coming from Beira Mar going to Zipie to start their working cycle. A couple of years ago I used to sit in Subitos. A small bar and restaurant next to the tourist police offices in between Zipie and the triangle. Lady Major closed him too by not allowing him to have tables outside. It was the perfect place to watch all the talent passing by and make your selection for the night early enough.

Opposite Mc Donald they took down the barraca of that curvy mamma. She took the money and left and the Italian guys finally bought fresh air.

The two barracas next to her, Satehut and the one next, are still open.

Maybe I am wrong but I see far too many gay tourist lately. Maybe that is what lady Major wants. Out with the mongers in with the gays. We'll see.

[QUOTE=El Greco]Let me correct my self. Zipie bar put some curtain on the door and they want minimum 10 reais consumption. Not entrance fee.[/QUOTE]Yeah for the $10 bucks you get a free drink- it seems to only be after 11pm as one night I arrived at about 10:50 and did not have to pay but another night after 11 I did.

El Greco, InBrazilSoon,

Thank you for much appreciated reports on Fortaleza. After reading your reports it would seem, Fortaleza is on the same death spiral as Rio. Basically the 'Lady' Prefeita and Prefeitura are cleaning house and this can ONLY be bad for news for those of us who love to play in Fortaleza.

The ratio of guys to gals doesn't sound very appealing either. Not too mention snobbish type attitudes. Yikes! I hope that is only occurs briefly around the Christmas/New Year holidays and isn't spreading throughout the rest of the Year.

I guess the Italians will ultimately have an advantage over Americans, with perhaps many of the young, cute and hot girls looking to travel freely (with out visa requirements) to Europe, to make better money, possibly marry, or simply spend time with their Italian boyfriends. Yep! This is definitely their mongering 'backyard'. Americas will need to figure out other ways to compete, on this playground.

Once again, thanks for the updates. Please kept the updates on Fortaleza coming, as I and many other on this thread, are keeping a keen eye on political climate on mongering in Fortaleza arena.

Ciao
Spidy

[QUOTE=El Greco] Maybe that is what lady Major wants. Out with the mongers in with the gays. We'll see.[/QUOTE]

You are not seeing things. When I was there in Oct. they have this HUGH lesbian convention. They practtically took of the Praia Mansa Hotel I was staying at. And they were not the femme types; stricly bull-daggers.

I know the bar you talking about next to state hut. I was there one night, and the next night I went, it was closed; and for the rest of the 7 days, nada.

My friends is telling me they want to close "most" of those bars in Baira Marr. Dam shame if you ask me, becuase the "family" area is futher down towards the volley ball courts and such, and those bars don't hurt the image of Fortaleza.

I also notice the lack of talent in the general area around the McDonalds. Still see the same ole familair faces. Still get my manicure from the indian lady, lilli. Althouth she don't know how to it for s*it, but I like practicing my protueges with her.

The trip before, I had the unforntunale luck of staying in the Terreico Atlanitco (sp). All the "ladies" that hang in that neigborhood are travsvisties. I had to walk over them with my dates each night and it was unconfortable!

Mamboos still rocks for me becuase I have good luck in there.

[QUOTE=Spidy]I guess the Italians will ultimately have an advantage over Americans, with perhaps many of the young, cute and hot girls looking to travel freely (with out visa requirements) to Europe[/QUOTE]

Without visa requierements????? I don't think you know european immigration laws.

[QUOTE=Bigcebu]Without visa requierements????? I don't think you know european immigration laws.[/QUOTE]
For a trip to Europe...I believe all a Brazilian needs is a passport.

[QUOTE=Spidy]For a trip to Europe...I believe all a Brazilian needs is a passport.[/QUOTE]Brazil is somehow cooperating with the Schengen countries and this is why, in fact, Brazilians can travel to Schengen countries for 3 months just with their passport.

Had a former table dancer in Fortaleza 2 years ago who told me how easy it had been for her to work in Italy. (By the way: she was the most erotic experience in my life; name: Marcia, small, blond, surgery-boobs)

Cheers from Shanghai,
Shamuc

D.Wilson,
Please do tell us more about this Jennifer's casa (location, prices, etc...).

InBrazilSoon, thanks for a great report and a much needed update on Fortaleza.

El Greco, I'm surprised to hear that you're having a hard time in Armazem as I had there the best time of all my stay in Fortaleza about a year and a half ago. Partied all night, made out with a few girls then at the end of the night, took out a nice and wild girl , for free TLN. Afterwards, I gave her 50 reais as a tip. But damn if Armazem too is going down on Wednesdays...

For those who are interested, here's a great technic I've been using all over Brasil with great success. Before my trips to Brasil, I'd get on Orkut and other social networking sites and make friends with either girls or guys and ask them questions about their cities (of course, on cities I'm planning to visit). Then, once I get there, I meet with them. If a girl, in 90% of cases, I'd hit her within 2 days. If a guy, even better as he'll introduce me to some nice non pros and then the fun begins. Or go to parties/clubs with the guys. Best approach to crack the non pro night club scene in Brasil as guys can be your best allies if you make friend with them.

Of course, for that, portuguese is required. Even if one can get by, is respectable and shows geniune interest in the culture/country and shows that they're making an effort in the country/lingo, that'll be hugely appreciated by all: girls, guys, people you deal with on a daily basis.

Just something to consider for you guys to make up for the lame mongering climate now in Brasil. This is a proven and fool proof way to have a blast in Brasil, at least IMHO.

Passport only required for Europe.

That probably explains the number of Brazilian girls working in London then.

[QUOTE=Sprite13]
El Greco, I'm surprised to hear that you're having a hard time in Armazem as I had there the best time of all my stay in Fortaleza about a year and a half ago. Partied all night, made out with a few girls then at the end of the night, took out a nice and wild girl , for free TLN. Afterwards, I gave her 50 reais as a tip. But damn if Armazem too is going down on Wednesdays...[/QUOTE]
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On the contrary. That's what I wrote about Armagen........

"Armagen still going strong on Wednesdays so does Crocobeach on Thursdays."

Now if you want no pro environment try "Botego" on Avenida Salles especially on Fridays and Saturdays night and Sundays evening. Many nice garotas hanging there before they move on to Mucuripe disco. Need some lingo skills tho.

It is on a reciprocation basis I guess.

We, Europeans do not need visa to enter Brasil and Brasilians to enter Europe.

hotel ocean blue flats - near the holiday inn - review.

i stayed recently at the ocean blue. it is in a good area and is reasonably priced. take a left out of the holiday inn and a left at that light and walk up the hill halfway, it is on your right. i paid $121br a night as a single, and paid $68br a night for guests. the hotel staff is 100% portuguese, no english is spoken. the room is like a small apartment, with the living room/dining room, a kitchenette, a bed room and bath. the only room with ac is the bedroom, but with the doors open, you can cool the entire suite in time. i found the place to be simular to the quality of the casablanca, but a larger room and in a better location. since the local company i work for gives me a hard time about the casablanca, due to it's location and reputation, i think this will work for me. i was able to bring in a new friend each night and was asked to sign a waiver and pay the $86br. the waiver was to take full responsability for the guest and the hotel will not have any responsability. also i think there was a note about ****, but they took the id and reviewed it anyway. as for the cleaning service, it was good, clean towels and sheets everyday. the breakfast (pay $17br extra each day) was decent. i didn't try the pool, the internet is only in the bedroom and wired only. also they required i pay at least a $500br deposit the night before i checked out, and the remainder the day i left. for mongering, the best i found is still the casablanca. i did not try the ibis on this trip, but it still is an option i am considering.

dev

[QUOTE=Spidy]For a trip to Europe...I believe all a Brazilian needs is a passport.[/QUOTE]They only get 6 months. girls working there either start the paperwork for the eurozone, or butterfly back and forth.

Just some small notes on the current situation in Fortaleza.

GENERAL:
* It's very hot right now! Rain is very scarce. In February the rain will come.
* This year there are lots of brazilian tourists here. They spend a lot of money.
* Apartment prices in the high season have become more expensive. Normally I pay no more than R$ 60 for a nice big apartment. Now the prices are from R$ 80 and upwards for a nice apartment. There are small, very simple and not so nice apartments from R$ 50.

PRO-SCENE:
* The "ho-crossing" in Iracema is alive but not kicking very much. Europa Bar is closed. Café d Mar and Forró & Mambo goes on like before. Heineken Café and some smaller bars next doors.
Zipi Bar has changed a bit. Entrance R$ 10 with a drink or a beer included.
Armazem on Wednesdays is still OK. Some nice "once-a-week-pro's" mixed with the usual GP-crowd from Iracema.
Crocobeach on Thursdays is also OK. Lots of GPs, but usually not hard to find a regular girl for free.
* GP-Quality: Passing by the ho-crossing a couple of times I get amazed by the large number of big-bellied squared-heads. I think there is a decline in the quality of the GP's. Depressing.
* Best option for GP's IMO: Zipi Bar. Lots of girls and some really nice ones. They stop at Zipi before they move on to Café d M or F & M.
* Prices: Many girls ask for R$ 150, but just about all of them go down to R$ 80-100. Some even do quickies for R$ 50. Bargain! Telling them that you're not Italian usually gives you a nice discount.
* Beer-prices: All these GP-bars are charging way to much for the beer. Paying R$ 10 or slightly less for a beer is just ridiculous. The reggae bar on the corner is good for cheap beer and watching the ladies arriving to the crossing.

NON-PRO-SCENE:
* Fortaleza has a good night-life.
My favourite club is Mucuripe Club on Fridays. Huge place, 4 pistas and lots of people. A mixture of middle- and upperclass. Many very beautiful girls, even though the majority have very light skin. Nice to see so many ladies in one place in Fortaleza who havn't football-heads glued to their shoulders.
Entrance R$ 30. Beer R$ 4,5-5.
[url]http://www.mucuripe.com.br/[/url]
* Dragao do Mar: Several nice bars with good potentials to meet non-pro's.
* I like Fortaleza a lot. Not because of the pro-scene, but because of the non-pro's. I find it easy to meet very sweet beautiful non-pro's in Fortaleza. Girls that are way more beauiful than the Iracema-GPs.
* Best places to meet non-pro's: IMO not in the clubs. Try the beach, the bus, in Centro, the market, Iguatemi or anywhere else that feels right. Local girls or tourist girls from Rio, Sao Paulo, Brasilia or BH.

FINAL NOTES:
* Fortaleza have a lot of unattractive women, who could be sisters of King Kong. Big bellies, round or very squared heads and without necks. That´s a pity, but Fortaleza also have very stunning women who makes you forget all the ugly ones. Don't fool yourself thinking that the really beautiful girls will do tricks in Iracema.
* My choice: Meet two or three regular girls. Get good quality-sex for free with beautiful girls. Use the GP-scene only in emergency.

I arrived in Fortaleza this morning. I had a few reais on me so the first thing I did was stop at the kiosk to recharge my phone. I got the R$22 deal since I will be in Brazil for a couple of weeks. Oops. All I had was R$21. Went upstairs to use the trusty (sarcasm) HSBC ATM. R$1000 please. Oops, machine doesn't work; and neither did the 7 other machines. The Banco do Brasil ATM actually said that it is only open from 6am to 10pm. It was about 5:40 then. O fucking well. I went back to the kiosk and told the guy that I would have to pay him R$1 tomorrow morning when I head out to Salvador. He said it was cool.

I went outside and hopped in a taxi. I told him that I was going to Hotel Casa Blanca, but that I would need to stop by an HSBC ATM first. He took me to HSBC Premier. And guess what? During non-operating hours it is a fortress. Surrounded by an iron fence with no way in. He asked around to the other cabbies and there was actually one that was close to the hotel. I walked upstairs and pressed the button to open the door. It seemed to be locked/jammed. I had to force it open. Finally got my money. The taxi dropped me off at the hotel here in Iracema. R$43.55. Funny. I think last June I paid R$20 from the airport to this neighborhood. Or was it US$20? Whatever the case, I think I should have rented a car instead. I am pretty much familiar with the area and with +R$40 taxi each way for the airport alone, a rental car would have been paid for.

The feast day of Sao José, was commemorated yesterday, March 19. In the state of Ceara, rain on St Joseph's day is sign of that this year's harvest will be good. Yesterday, 6.6 milimeters of rain fell in Fortaleza. Although not welcome by the sun-seeking tourists, the rain was a happy site to the Cearense natives, especially the farming community.

After three days here I have not seen any stunners nor anything I would rate above a 5. In my opinion, most of the women here fit the typical nordestinha description.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]The feast day of Sao José, was commemorated yesterday, March 19. In the state of Ceara, rain on St Joseph's day is sign of that this year's harvest will be good. Yesterday, 6.6 milimeters of rain fell in Fortaleza. Although not welcome by the sun-seeking tourists, the rain was a happy site to the Cearense natives, especially the farming community.

After three days here I have not seen any stunners nor anything I would rate above a 5. In my opinion, most of the women here fit the typical nordestinha description.[/QUOTE]
I am here also (leaving tomorrow) and while I haven´t done any mongering, I have seen some beautiful non-pros. There is alot of potential here. I have been hanging out with a local and we have been going to the local hangouts. (with the exception of Beir Mar(?). First place that I have been to where you buy your fish then go to the restaurant next door to have it cooked! Delicious!

I just returned from a week in Fortaleza. My last visit was in 1994 and much has changed in the intervening six years. The Iracema area has expanded considerably to the west with many new hotels and high-rise condominiums. The Prefeitura has invested huge amounts of money expanding the beach area west to the English Pier. The bureaucracy of Rio de Janeiro would never accomplish an expansion of this scale in such a short time period. There is a considerable Italian presence in Iracema and many Italian restaurants. Garotas congregate in the barracas near Praia do Meireles in the day. In the late evening activity picks up in the triangle area of Ave. Almirante Barroso and Rua dos Tabajaras. Zippy Bar, Forro de Mambo and several small pizza and pasta restaurants line the side streets where the garotas hang out looking for gringos with cash.

Airfare varies considerably with the Brasilian airlines offering periodic special fares as low as R$179. I used WebJet with a fare about half of the cost of Gol at the time I purchased it. Getting around town is easy and cheap. Taxi to and from the airport is about R$28. The 6 Km from Praia do Mucuripe to the far west end of Praia de Iracema is about R$10. However bus service is excellent ,and the fare is only R$1,80. Note: most busses board from the rear door and exit at the front door. You can take a bus from Iracema Beach to Praia do Futuro to check out the beach garotas. At Praia do Futuro you will find about 3 Km of upscale barracas with a decent supply of garotas trolling for your attention.

Cearense natives take pride in the fact that the state was four years ahead of the rest of Brasil in ablition of slavery. You will find statuary, symbols and souveniers of Iracema throughout Fortaleza. One might say Iracema represents the first European conquest of Braisilian women, rsrsrs.
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Iracema-Classicos-da-Literatura-Brasileira/dp/0850515009[/url]
Here is a useful map for planning your trip.
[url]http://www.feriasbrasil.com.br/ce/fortaleza/mapa.cfm[/url]

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]I just returned from a week in Fortaleza. My last visit was in 1994 and much has changed in the intervening six years. The Iracema area has expanded considerably to the west with many new hotels and high-rise condominiums. The Prefeitura has invested huge amounts of money expanding the beach area west to the English Pier. The bureaucracy of Rio de Janeiro would never accomplish an expansion of this scale in such a short time period. There is a considerable Italian presence in Iracema and many Italian restaurants. Garotas congregate in the barracas near Praia do Meireles in the day. In the late evening activity picks up in the triangle area of Ave. Almirante Barroso and Rua dos Tabajaras. Zippy Bar, Forro de Mambo and several small pizza and pasta restaurants line the side streets where the garotas hang out looking for gringos with cash.

Airfare varies considerably with the Brasilian airlines offering periodic special fares as low as R$179. I used WebJet with a fare about half of the cost of Gol at the time I purchased it. Getting around town is easy and cheap. Taxi to and from the airport is about R$28. The 6 Km from Praia do Mucuripe to the far west end of Praia de Iracema is about R$10. However bus service is excellent ,and the fare is only R$1,80. Note: most busses board from the rear door and exit at the front door. You can take a bus from Iracema Beach to Praia do Futuro to check out the beach garotas. At Praia do Futuro you will find about 3 Km of upscale barracas with a decent supply of garotas trolling for your attention.

Cearense natives take pride in the fact that the state was four years ahead of the rest of Brasil in ablition of slavery. You will find statuary, symbols and souveniers of Iracema throughout Fortaleza. One might say Iracema represents the first European conquest of Braisilian women, rsrsrs.
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Iracema-Classicos-da-Literatura-Brasileira/dp/0850515009[/url]
Here is a useful map for planning your trip.
[url]http://www.feriasbrasil.com.br/ce/fortaleza/mapa.cfm[/url][/QUOTE]1994<<<>>>2010--- 6 years? Math much?

This post actually provides no information whatsoever other than what google can provide.

[QUOTE=InBrazilSoon]1994<<<>>>2010--- 6 years? Math much?

This post actually provides no information whatsoever other than what google can provide.[/QUOTE]

You're right, my error. It was 2004. Desculpa. If the post is really not useful I will be happy to delete it and omit the facts that I observed.

Wow! I just read your report on Fortaleza. Very informative, even for a New Yorker. By the way, for your future reference, the city is Fortaleza, not Frotaleza.

Poucolouco,
Thanks for a much needed update on Fortaleza. I was there about 2 years ago for a week and enjoyed it. I also noticed some good opportunities for non pros once one gets away from the ground zero and the Beira Mar. I'm looking to go back there soon. Thanks again for sharing your views which are very much appreciated. Please do continue to post your experiences from Fortaleza and other Brasilian cities and don't pay attention to those who have nothing to contribute other than criticize for no reason.

Hello:

I have been to Brazil and to Fortaleza 3 times - always in the Fall - in November.

There is always action at the Iracema bars after 11PM. The first two times I went to Fortaleza - in '03 and '05, there was also plenty of programa girls in the early evening in the Mireiles cafes across the street from McDonalds. There were also plenty of programa girls at some of the beaches at Praia de Futuro in the daytime.

When I went back with a friend the last time - November '08 - there was still plenty of action at the Iracema bars late at night. But there were only very few programa girls at the Mireiles cafes in the early evening. There were only about one or two programa girls in the daytime at the Praia de Futuro beaches. It was really dead if you were looking for action. I asked one of the vendors selling drinks at one of the beaches about it and he said there had been a crackdown on these programa girls at that time, and they were not allowed at the beaches. (I am talking about the daytime at the beaches, not the night)

My question is: Are these programa girls back in full force now at the Praia de Futuro beaches in the daytime, and at the Mireiles cafes across from McDonalds in the early evening? Are things back to normal, or is there still a crackdown? Fortaleza was not as exciting the last time (Nov 2008) because of this crackdown.

[QUOTE=Henry R]Hello:

I have been to Brazil and to Fortaleza 3 times - always in the Fall - in November.

There is always action at the Iracema bars after 11PM. The first two times I went to Fortaleza - in '03 and '05, there was also plenty of programa girls in the early evening in the Mireiles cafes across the street from McDonalds. There were also plenty of programa girls at some of the beaches at Praia de Futuro in the daytime.

When I went back with a friend the last time - November '08 - there was still plenty of action at the Iracema bars late at night. But there were only very few programa girls at the Mireiles cafes in the early evening. There were only about one or two programa girls in the daytime at the Praia de Futuro beaches. It was really dead if you were looking for action. I asked one of the vendors selling drinks at one of the beaches about it and he said there had been a crackdown on these programa girls at that time, and they were not allowed at the beaches. (I am talking about the daytime at the beaches, not the night)

My question is: Are these programa girls back in full force now at the Praia de Futuro beaches in the daytime, and at the Mireiles cafes across from McDonalds in the early evening? Are things back to normal, or is there still a crackdown? Fortaleza was not as exciting the last time (Nov 2008) because of this crackdown.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I was in Fortaleza last october 2009, there was programa girls in Praia de Futuro in the afternoon, in cocobeach baraca & crocobeach baraca there were alot. There were some programa in late afternoon & first evening in the bars near ferrinha & McDonald-Beira Mar-Mereiles Area.

[QUOTE=Ranocchio]Hi,

I was in Fortaleza last october 2009, there was programa girls in Praia de Futuro in the afternoon, in cocobeach baraca & crocobeach baraca there were alot. There were some programa in late afternoon & first evening in the bars near ferrinha & McDonald-Beira Mar-Mereiles Area.[/QUOTE]


Great to hear that things are back to normal. Coco and Croco beaches are where I usually go to at Praia de Futuro. They had daytime action my first two trips to Fortaleza but not during my last trip in 2008. I hope things remain lively when I return there this November.

Also, there used to be a lot of programa girls in the early evening at the cafes in Mireiles across from McDonalds. From your post it sounds like there are a few but not as many as there used to be.

Guys,

Anyone know of a Cambio in Fortaleza open on sundays in the Iracema areas?

[QUOTE=InBrazilSoon]Guys,
Anyone know of a Cambio in Fortaleza open on sundays in the Iracema areas?[/QUOTE]
Confidence Câmbio Fortaleza - Oásis Atlântico Imperial Hotel‎
Av. Beira Mar, 2500
Atendimento: Segunda a Domingo das 08:00h às 23:00h - Do proprietário

Being the expert on Fortaleza, I hope you find this information more useful than you did my earlier post on Fortaleza.

[QUOTE=InBrazilSoon]..This post actually provides no information whatsoever other than what google can provide.[/QUOTE]

Pocolouco -- Thanks for your reports. I have actually been to Fortaleza and will be back there in March. Didn't do any mongering on a short cruise stop but available talent was easy to spot. Keep your reports coming.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco]Confidence Câmbio Fortaleza - Oásis Atlântico Imperial Hotel‎

Av. Beira Mar, 2500

Atendimento: Segunda a Domingo das 08:00h às 23:00h - Do proprietário

Being the expert on Fortaleza, I hope you find this information more useful than you did my earlier post on Fortaleza.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information.

Yes I am an asshole- sorry

Looks like I will return to Brazil the first 2 weeks of August and will not go to Rio where I have been 4 times this year and I am sick of it (yet I keep returning for some reason).

So I will spend some time in Sao Paulo but will also hit the Northeast and I am trying to decide if I should return to Fortaleza where I went for the first time at the beignning of January, or, check out Natal or Recife for the first time.

Whats making the decision difficult is the huge number of Italian tourists that may flood that area that time of year.

When I was in Fortaleza in January they were everywhere which made the ratios terrible for bargaining/selection. I am really less concerned with price as I am with selection and opportunity.

I have never been to the North East in August but I have been to rio the last 3 Augusts and based on the fact that August is the Italian tourist/vacation month I am concerned that Fortaleza, or all of the northeast cities may be packed with them. Not that I have a problem with Italians just trying to avoid the "rush"

Has anyone been to Fortaleza, or Natal or Recife in August that can comment?

Obviously this year could be very different for any of these cities including Rio but I having a hard time deciding.

Thanks

Happy mongering

Just curious, is it work taking a day and driving 4-5 hours south to see the countryside? Anyone have any bus info for this area?

ryjer

[QUOTE=Ryjerrob]Just curious, is it work taking a day and driving 4-5 hours south to see the countryside? Anyone have any bus info for this area?
ryjer[/QUOTE]
Yes, it's worth to take a drive south along the coast. Visit Morro Branco, Prainha, Aracati, Canoa Quebrada etc...

While in the area you should also visit Jericoacoara, north of Fortaleza.

In Fortaleza there are buses to all these cities. Some buses are quick and others stops all the time.

The best place to find beautiful hookers in Fortaleza is visiting the place called Casa do Valdemir.He's an agent with very nice girls.Any taxi driver can take you to there.Other option is go to Belissima in Vicente Leite Street in Aldeota.At night you can go to Mambo dance club in iracema beach.The Clube do Whisky,another place, has a lot of splendid girls but expensive.

All -

Everytime I visit the hotels change their policies about guests. I cannot stay at the Casa Blanca due to its reputation with the local business I am working with. Any updates on good choices? Last time I stayed at the Blue Ocean (next to the Holiday Inn) and found it ok with a $65BR guest charge. I would perfer to pay nothing, but what can you do?

Apartments are out of the question since I am there for business.

Thx
Dev

Last time I was in Fortaleza was in November 2008. I met an American guy who said he was staying at a hotel in the Mireiles section. He said the owner of the hotel was a guy from Italy who gave him great tips on places to go to meet Programa girls - not the typical places, but spots the people who actually lived there knew about. I think he may have said many or most of the guests were from Italy, but am not sure. Can anyone tell me the hotel name and how I can contact them? I may be going to Fort this Fall, and this hotel owner may be a gold mine of good information.

I'm heading to Fortaleza on business in August, will be there about 7 days total, but I'm thinking about taking a trip down to Natal for a couple days as well. I appreciate the info and have learned much already - Thanks much to Poucolouco and Sperto for the most recent good updates here!

What I'm wondering, though, is if anyone has a Fortaleza 101-type guide? Any regulars or expats who can lay out the whole scene: Termas? (I hear no) Places like Help Disco was in Rio? Escorts? Private Houses? Costs for all? It would be great to get a nice download/compilation as to the state of garotas in Fortaleza, 2010.

I'll do my best to put something together once I've gone and can tell what I learned, but that'll need to wait until I'm back. TIA!

Good site for fotos of the Fortaleza club scene.

[url]http://photoatnight.com[/url]

I have been here the last 3 nights since Thursday.

The whole scene has been great.

Day 1 Thursday- arrived early and got into my apartment by 9am- the guys renting me the apartment drove me around to pick up things I needed. Got to Boa vida by 1pm. Weather is awesome. No clouds for 3 days so far. Just 80 and sunny.

Plenty of gdps at boa vida but it seemed that most were paying attention to the napoli crowd as if they were all together when they arrived.

Thursday night. Went to zipi bar at 11pm. No charge to get in. Plenty of very doable chicks. Good ratio of men to women.

This girl was dancing and flirting with me for like 40 minutes and what seemed like the guy she was with was dancing with her. But she kept moving away from him towards me. Totally ignoring him. I was sitting in a chair at the bar and he kept trying to get in between me and her becasue she was ignoring him. He kept stepping on my foot. He did it like three times and finally I was like dude WTF is your problem?

He was like, she is with me, so I was like, cool thats not what I meant. How many times are going to step on my foot?

I was sitting so its not like we were on a dance floor where it can happen. Anyway it was fun watching her dance and him get all stressed out but I am not about committing violent felonies in foreign countries so I just laughed and left.

More on this later.

So I went down to near mambo and had a drink in the street in front and met Carla#1, nice 19 year old bleach blonde, face 8 body 9. We went into Cafe del mar had a few drinks and then went back to my place. TLN 150 GFE very fun.

Day 2

Friday- did alot of touristy stuff, dragoa do mar, mercado central, catherdral.

Friday night

Arrived at mambo 12:30ish- I was going up the stairs and saw the chick from the night before at zips who had the weird geeky dude getting all jealous, we passed on the staris and smiled. Saw her like 20 minutes later and we were talking. So I was like where is your boyfriend? She says nooo not my boyfreind just a client. So I laughed. And then here he comes again. Approaching and ignoring me like I wasnt even there. So they talked briefly and then he left. So we went downstairs and were about to leave again and he comes up again. I was like dude we are you so disrespectful? If you were with a girl I wuld leave you alone.

And then he says. This my girlfriend!

So I asked, dude do you even know where you are? Haha

Because your "GirlFriend just said she would suck my dick and swallow without a condom for 80 Reais.

I think you need to reevaluate your relationship status.

So because he was so disrepectful I had to bang her. So I said lets go, now or never. So we left, fucked for like an hour and then I through her out and went back to mambo but I told her she needed to get her own cab and no she can most certainly not share one with me and she is not getting cab money.

Bjos

So I got back to mambo at like 3 and most of the club was empty but they have this second larger area upstairs that I guess doesn't open until like 2:30 or so but I was crowded and tons of girls, god selection of the type I like.

So I got there and so the chick and her crazy "boyfriend" again. So I walked right past them and laughed in their faces and went searching. Found claudia- she lives in the same apartment building as me so we took separate cabs and she met me at my room. Fucked for like 2 hours and then she had to leave. 100 reais. Before she left she said my friend can come over if you want more company- I was like sure let her come and I'll check her out. Turned to be hotter than her friend so she hung out with me all day Saturday and Saturday night. Carla #2

Day 3 carla #2

Tonight I a flying to Rio at 2:30 am so no girl tonight

Will return to fortaleza Thursday for 7 more days. More to come then.

Will not report on Rio becasue I have been there so many times and all the chicks are all the same so nothing really new to say.

Nice report, can you give info on your apartment, I am thinking of making a trip up to Forta soon. Really appreciate anyone with tips on apartments - cost and if there is a girl fee.

Bubba

Porto de iracema is the building I am in. It is like a monger's hotel. But an aprtment building. It seems that half the occupants are either gdp's or mongers.

Very gdp friendly- in fact if you were not with a gdp you would feel weird.

IBS, Nice report on Fortaleza scene, with Mambo and Zipi Bar.

BTW, are majority of the GDPs all asking for R$150 TLN?

It's been a few years since I've been to Fortaleza, but R$50-70 for 1 to 2 hours or even TLN for for this amount, was still on the menu. Ahh the good ole days!!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy]Nice report, can you give info on your apartment, I am thinking of making a trip up to Forta soon. Really appreciate anyone with tips on apartments - cost and if there is a girl fee.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.flatshop.com.br/2008/site/pt-br/index.php[/url]

They run many privately owned apartments on many apart hotels except Iate Plaza hotel. I've used them many times in the past until I decided I wanted to stay at Iate Plaza. My other choices were Golden Flat Fortaleza and Saint Martin run by the Tulip group. They also run some on Iracema very close to the night action.

Very efficient and reliable. Prices are according to the season July-August and December-January being the most expensive. Negotiate with them. There are a couple of more agencies close to their office on Avenida Monsenhor Tabosa.

If it is your first time to Fortaleza I suggest you've better stay 1-2 nights at the IBIS and shop around. Their office is 200 meters away behind IBIS.

Staying in Forta, is how you want it. You like to stay close to the beach or close to most off the nightlife.

I prefer beach. And also there is some nightlife. Hire a car for 60 reais and you the king off Forta.

More detail?

Ask me.

Pohetti

[QUOTE=El Greco][url]http://www.flatshop.com.br/2008/site/pt-br/index.php[/url]

If it is your first time to Fortaleza I suggest you've better stay 1-2 nights at the IBIS and shop around. Their office is 200 meters away behind IBIS.[/QUOTE]El Greco,

I take it the IBIS is GDP friendly? I'll be there in two weeks, just for a few days, so was hoping to stay at a hotel...

Also, thanks IBS for the great report. Also found this report on another site after searching "zipi bar" from IBS' report. Costa Rica Ticas site - forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=33134

I just stayed there and it is GF.... 20BR a night for guest. Not a top level hotel, but works good. No in-room safes! You need to either have a secure way to lock up your stuff or have the front desk lock it up in their safes.

Safe as anywhere else and close to the action. No problems for me to walk to ground zero, but taxi back is the best. I plan to submit a full review in a week or two.

Dev





[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo]El Greco,

I take it the IBIS is GDP friendly? I'll be there in two weeks, just for a few days, so was hoping to stay at a hotel...

Also, thanks IBS for the great report. Also found this report on another site after searching "zipi bar" from IBS' report. Costa Rica Ticas site - forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=33134[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Devileyes]I just stayed there and it is GF.... 20BR a night for guest. Not a top level hotel, but works good. No in-room safes! You need to either have a secure way to lock up your stuff or have the front desk lock it up in their safes.

Safe as anywhere else and close to the action. No problems for me to walk to ground zero, but taxi back is the best. I plan to submit a full review in a week or two.

Dev[/QUOTE]Address: Av. Antonio Justa 2324. [url]www.redeprovence.com.br[/url], e-mail: [email]viavenetto@redeprovence.com.br[/email]. I stayed here years ago. Block from beach an action. Girl friendly as long as she's got I.D. Clean fully equipped apts. Don't know prices now. You can check by e-mail. Think I payed $R90/night back then 3 years ago but, was with a cop friend(police) from Rio who was a long time valued customer there.

All - I just finished a stay at the IBIS in Fortaleza. Here is my quick review:

GF - you can check a girl in at night, she must have ID. They fill out a form and have you sign it, and the girl keeps her ID. There is no room call when they leave. The cost is $20BR each night. I did not try to bring in more than one.

The rooms as ok. Nothing special, with only one major complaint. They have no locks for the room safes. If you have one of the block shaped locks you can use it, otherwise you need to lock everything at the front desk. Since I did neither, I took the chance and was lucky nothing vanished.

Internet is via WiFi and is moderate. You can pay by the week, day or hour.

I am enclosing photos of the room... just for reference.

Safety... Not in a bad place, behind the Holiday Inn. I walked to ground zero each night, but always took a taxi back. Better safe than sorry....

I found it to be a quiet hotel and I found few signs of fellow Mongers. I never once saw anyone else check a girl in, but also not a bad thing.

Breakfasts are good, you pay extra. Hotel lobby bar is open 24/7.... can be a good thing for those 3am beer runs.

I hope this helps, I am one of the guys who needs to use a Hotel for work and cannot do the apartment thing. Too bad I wish I could.

Enjoy
Dev

I'm looking forward to my trip, now just a week away (leaving a week from tomorrow). If anyone else happens to be in Fortaleza during the time I'm there, let me know if you want to meet up and hit the scene. I ended up booking an apartment with included WI-FI close to Iracema. Will report on the quality and setup when I return.

I have some generic viagra, but it's hit or miss. Anyone know if a prescription is required to buy the real stuff in Brazil?

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo]I have some generic viagra, but it's hit or miss. Anyone know if a prescription is required to buy the real stuff in Brazil?[/QUOTE]ED Pills are available over the counter at any pharmacy.

I'll be in Fortaleza from Sep 8-15. So I'll miss you by a week. This will be my 2nd time there, but never reported on it. I'll be sure and give feedback this time.

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo]I'm looking forward to my trip, now just a week away (leaving a week from tomorrow). If anyone else happens to be in Fortaleza during the time I'm there, let me know if you want to meet up and hit the scene. I ended up booking an apartment with included WI-FI close to Iracema. Will report on the quality and setup when I return.[/QUOTE]

I will be in Fortaleza some of the same time. It's my first time to Brazil. I'll be staying at the Porto de Iracema apartments. It would be cool to have someone else to hit the scene with.

PM me if you are interested in coordinating. BTW, if you are arrriving the morning of August 30 on Delta from Atlanta, that will be the same flight I will be on.

So I came back from Rio after 3 days in the cold.

Got back to Fortaleza on a Thursday-

The next 7 days were basically all the same.

During the day I would go to Boa Vida or Croco Beach and eat oysters and lobster (or what they call lobster) and drink OJ and go for a swim.

At night I just started going out after 1:30am heading to Mambo and going in hanging out for a few drinks and picking someone out.

I went with Carla #2 a few times and she seemed rather timid and shy sexually a few nights but the last night I kept banging her and she kept begging for more. Not sure what that was about but it was fun I was very very tired in the end.

Overall Fortaleza is starting to grow on me. This is my second trip, first in January and now August.

I don't know what it is like in a low season but the 2 times I have been there, new years and August are really the High season from a mongering perspective.

I would say that the scene was excellent for the type of girl I like and for a GFE if that's what you are into. You will not find the big bunda types like you do in Rio but that's not my thing. Also, I would say, at least based on my experience that the Fortaleza girls really aren't as wild sexually as the girls you find in Rio, cariocas or not. But still fun.

They also do not know how to work the scene as well. In Rio the girls are pros, in Fortaleza they are getting paid but don't really have the charisma or the pro attitude as much. This is good and bad.

The whole Mambo/Del Mar/Europa scene was very active during my trip.

Apartment was porto de Iracema. Excellent spot- safe, close to scene. Girls all over the place.

I will go back in November to see what is a like in a month that is a little slower. Or at least certainly slower than August or New Years.

[QUOTE=Bijou]I will be in Fortaleza some of the same time. It's my first time to Brazil. I'll be staying at the Porto de Iracema apartments. It would be cool to have someone else to hit the scene with.

PM me if you are interested in coordinating. BTW, if you are arrriving the morning of August 30 on Delta from Atlanta, that will be the same flight I will be on.[/QUOTE]Bijou,

Cool. You didn't end up making the trip in July? All, sorry for the PM-style post here. I just subscribed, so will have access to PM in about 24 hours.

Yes on the Delta flight. I'm staying at the "Classic" residence flats. I have some business during the day Monday and part of Tuesday, but will be hitting the spots at night, for sure. Will ping you by PM as soon as I can.

Had to head there for an overnight business trip. At night, a gringo that was part of the group I met there wanted to hit some nightspots and asked if I would come along and assist (his first time in Brazil.) Walked down to ground zero with no problems. Lots of locals selling arts and crafts on tables set up down by the ocean. Stopped at this Italian restaurant for some pizza and beers (good and surprisingly cheap.) Then ended up at Zip's bar. I was expecting to be screwed with pricing. But it was R$10 to get in and included a drink. He was treating me as I was helping him out. Great.

Place was fairly packed, but found a couple of seats in good central location where all the ladies brushed up against us going back and forth. Overall surprisingly good looking level of young-ish ladies that night, all in their dresses. I wasn't expecting much from what I read here. He is immediately smitten by this young, sexy spinner. Within 20 minutes, he wants to leave with her. Problem is he is already checked out of his room as he has a flight at 2:30 in the morning. So he is asking me about nearby motels (he does not speak Portuguese). I have never been mongering in Fortaleza before. So I end up negotiating a R$100 2 hour session with her for him. She started at R$250 and I told her I heard the rate was R$100 to R$150 for TLN in Fortaleza. And she says she knows of a motel for locals for R$20 (plus a R$10 cab ride each way.) She seemed sweet and genuine. But I warned him to keep his wits about him and give it all some thought. But he was out the door quickly (he left me R$50 if I wanted more drinks.) I sat and struck up a conversation with an absolutely gorgeous tall, curvy mulato - with a perfect smile and dimples. I told her I was not interested in mongering, but she wanted to sit and talk about my work. Very sweet and affectionate. Only had a few beers - so not sure about drink prices. I would imagine they can zap it to some tourists there with prices.

I took a taxi back to the hotel and received a call from my colleague a bit later that all was well and he was heading to the airport. His first Brazilian mongering effort went well. Kind of fun being the wingman for him.

[QUOTE=Bijou]I will be in Fortaleza some of the same time. It's my first time to Brazil. I'll be staying at the Porto de Iracema apartments. It would be cool to have someone else to hit the scene with.

PM me if you are interested in coordinating. BTW, if you are arrriving the morning of August 30 on Delta from Atlanta, that will be the same flight I will be on.[/QUOTE]This will be the last week for that flight- unfortunately Delta has cancelled this flight as of September so back to the longer than needed flights to Fortaleza.

[QUOTE=InBrazilSoon]This will be the last week for that flight- unfortunately Delta has cancelled this flight as of September so back to the longer than needed flights to Fortaleza.[/QUOTE]Yeah, my flight back on the 6th is the last leg back. Crazy with Brazil and Fortaleza expanding, growing, getting World Cup games, etc. Hopefully, Delta or others will re-think this and add the route back soon.

[QUOTE=InBrazilSoon]So I came back from Rio after 3 days in the cold.

Got back to Fortaleza on a Thursday.

During the day I would go to Boa Vida or Croco Beach and eat oysters and lobster (or what they call lobster) and drink OJ and go for a swim.

I will go back in November to see what is a like in a month that is a little slower. Or at least certainly slower than August or New Years.[/QUOTE]


To InBrasilSoon:

I was just wondering:

(1) When you went to beaches in the daytime like Croco at Praia de Futuro, were there Programa girls at the beaches? I used to see a lot of Programa girls at the Praia de Futuro beaches daytime, but they were not there my last trip in November 2008. (One of the vendors at the beach told me there was a crackdown going on at the time.)

(2) I will be in Fortaleza sometime in November this year. You can PM me if you want to go out for a drink one night.

1. Yes they are at boa vida. But none of them really seemed to be working or looking for work. It seemed more like they were there as invited guests of one large group of Italians or another. But On my first Sunday I saw Carla #1 from my report there with a friend of hers and they were looking for work.

2. Sounds good- still a long way out.

Met up with Bijou at Zipi Bar at 9:30pm. Dead as hell for an hour, then, suddenly, crawling with beautiful GDPs. Must've been about 75 inside and out on the street in front by 11:30pm or so. I had my eye on a cutie seated next to a kiosk/snack bar, and after multiple failed attempts to catch her eye outside, I managed to nab her when she came in. Back to my apt. Name is Diana, pic 1 below, don't really do her justice as she looks a bit like a darker Jessica Alba to me. R100 short time. She said up to 2 hours, but we probably spent about an hour and were both ready to head back.

Stopped with Diana at the Farmacia to pick up some condoms and a telefone card, then went to Forro Mambo, went our separate ways. This place is definitely like the old Help, but with more separated rooms. Packed wall to wall, i sought refuge downstairs. I'd say easily 150 girls between upstairs main, upstairs outside, "discoteque", and "downstairs". This is Monday, mind you. I was being tailed by some stalker that I couldn't shake after giving her a cig when I found Bijou again. He had a couple girls with him, and I kept to the side, watching girls come and go, flirting with some. At some point, Bijou left and his blonde girl and her friend kept asking me where he was. Probably Bijou was a bit stuck with aggressive girls as well and took his leave when he got the chance. In the end, after an hour or so, I hadn't decided whom to take back again, and the blondie Bijou was with earlier was pretty agressively all over me, so I said WTF and took her back, another R100, she offered toda la noche, but I sent her to the taxi after a couple hours. She was pretty damn sex hungry. Pics 2-4, and yes, we did it on the balcony.

I don't speak Portuguese, but am pretty good with Spanish. I was worried that Spanish wouldn't get me far in Fortaleza, but so far so good. Many people speak Italian, which is a bit closer to Spanish in sound. Plus, I got a good tip from a guy I met here for business. He said the words between Spanish and Portuguese are very similar, but they sound very different. His advice, speak Spanish slowly and you'll be understood. Ask the girl to speak slowly, too (if you can communicate it) and the "Spanguese" is more understandable as well. I actually communicated very well in mostly Spanish with Diana (pic 1 from previous post), with less but still moderate success with Celia.

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo]I don't speak Portuguese, but am pretty good with Spanish. I was worried that Spanish wouldn't get me far in Fortaleza, but so far so good. Many people speak Italian, which is a bit closer to Spanish in sound. Plus, I got a good tip from a guy I met here for business. He said the words between Spanish and Portuguese are very similar, but they sound very different. His advice, speak Spanish slowly and you'll be understood. Ask the girl to speak slowly, too (if you can communicate it) and the "Spanguese" is more understandable as well. I actually communicated very well in mostly Spanish with Diana (pic 1 from previous post), with less but still moderate success with Celia.[/QUOTE]Haha- yes- glad to hear that worked for you.

I think you are better off speaking Spanish or Italian in Fortaleza since i am not sure what the gdp's speak in fortaleza is even Portuguese.

I have spent a lot of time in Brasil and I understand most people very well but i cant understand a word these chics are saying in Fortaleza.

had business all day, then had dinner around 8:30pm and off to zipi bar again at 9:30. again, dead until about 10: 30. it picked up, but not as busy as monday for some reason. there was a really beautiful girl at the bar when bijou and i got there at 9:30, but it felt too early to pounce. another patron sat with her and bought her drinks for about an hour.

as other girls came and went, i realized the girl at the bar was the best of the lot, and caught her eye a few times, trying to give her the hint to either take the dude home or ditch him. minutes later, around 11:15pm, she did ditch him, but made straight for the door before i could catch her. drank beers for another 20 minutes or so, then bijou and i headed for the forro mambo/europa/cafe del mar. we were immediately surrounded by 5 girls shilling for one club or the other. peeked into europa, but it was dead, so walked into cafe del mar. sitting by herself at the downstairs bar was the girl who left zipi. i proceeded straight to her, bought her a beer, flirted and chatted for 30 minutes or so, then brought her home. name: naomi.

she quoted r150 short time. i said r100, but wanted her badly so settled at r120. she was definitely worth it. looks a bit like adriana lima in the face. nice body, sweet, great kisser, responsive, great sex. pics below. eyes obscured per her request.

Sat for awhile this afternoon at the Barracas around Beira Mar. The one across from McDonald's had one hottie, but I didn't move fast enough. Talked with another one, but she was very stand-offish so I said "Ciao" and moved back towards Iracema, stopping at another barraca for a couple beers on the way. A couple of substandard girls stopped by or gave me the look, but I passed. Finally, walking on my way back to my apartment, saw this cutie across the street and headed her off with a simple "hola". She stopped, we quickly negotiated R60 and headed to my apt. She was 18 (and I confirmed twice that she was bc she looks young - passed the ID check at the apartment, too) and definitely inexperienced. Also hard to communicate with her. Showered solo, she showered, then got on the bed and was giggling as I sucked her nipples or played with her pussy, squirming too. Decided it was best to get it over with and pounded her doggy, then mish to completion. The girl was up like a shot after I came and grabbed her clothes and was out the door as soon as I gave her the R60, though she did try to point out that she hangs out on the boardwalk right across the street. Nao Obrogado - that was a one-timer for sure.

Forro Mambo is closed on Wednesdays, and Armazem, which is a very short taxi ride away from the Zipi/Forro Mambo/Europe/Cafe del Mar scene, is on instead. This place had the hottest girls yet. Some familiar faces from Zipi earlier in the night, but also plenty of fresh ones I hadn't seen yet. Some of the girls seemed to be either not working or not interested in me. It's possible this club had more of a non-pro mix than the others, but still a very nice and large selection of GDPs. Long story short, found Luciana with two friends around 3am. Bought all of them a drink to break the ice. Luciana quoted R200. Negotiated down to R150. She was sweet and said she's a student. She let me take only one picture -clothed, below. She spent about 2 hours, good time once again. Fortaleza has been very very good to me. One more night, then off to Natal.

This trip report is from my visit to Fortaleza from August 30-Sept 6. I hung out with JD Garbanzo who has posted some pics of the type of girls available. Thanks to all the posters who provided valuable information in planning, but a special thanks to “InBrazilSoon” for providing the most current info on Fortaleza

[B]Prelude[/B]
Since my last trip report to SDQ last year, I have been back a few times to previous places (PTY, CTG) and went to some places where there is already enough good information (Sosua, and SJO), so I hadn’t written any new reports. I wanted to take my first trip to Brazil, but with the “changes” going on in Rio, I decided to first go somewhere else. A Brazilian friend of mine recommended Fortaleza, and off I went, although about a month later than I originally planned.

[B]Travel Logistics[/B]
Brazil does require Visas for US residents. The length of visa can range from 90 days to 10 years. I’m not sure if this is just the luck of the draw or based on criteria that are used from the visa application. Also, it may be more likely to get a 10 year visa if you actually schedule an in person visa appointment at the closest the Brazilian Consulate with your airline ticket in hand.

I flew Delta red-eye directly into Fortaleza, which was very convenient. However, apparently that was the last Delta flight as Delta has now cancelled service to Fortaleza. I’m not sure of any other US airlines that services Fortaleza and other airlines will require connection(s). Arrival into Fortaleza is uneventful and immigration and customs is a breeze. The airport itself is relatively small and relatively easily to navigate.

Taxi from the airport to my apartment ran 30 BR, which is in line with what I read on the forum. It cost me 25 BR to get back to the airport. I guess I could have negotiated 5 BR less both times, but I chose not to as long as I’m not getting ripped off. In Fortaleza, using taxis varies between meter and flat rates. From my apartment to Praia Futuro ran about 20 BR using the meter. At night from the “spots”, it ranged from 5 BR to 7 BR, even though a few drivers tried to get 10 BR out of me. So, it’s good to have an idea of what it should cost before getting into the taxi or just request using the meter. Obviously, this is easier for locals and for people who speak the language well.

[B]Lodging[/B]
I stayed at the Port do Iracema apartments ([url]www.flatsfortaleza.com[/url]) booked through Michael. It ran me 120 BR/night. There is an additional charge for electric use, especially air conditioning. However, with the windows open I rarely had to use AC. It has a safe, hot water, and wireless internet access. It is nice apartment and I would strongly recommend Michael. As others have mentioned, there are working girls that actually live in this complex, which can be a positive (or a negative if they have the apartment right next to you). Also, other mongers stay there so sometimes you can see girls leaving that may catch your interest for future. The apartment complex has a pool and a gym.

[B]Currency Exchange[/B]
1 USD was about 1.75 BR. As with all my trips, I use a CapitalOne ATM card to get cash out without incurring large international withdrawal fees and the card seemed to work pretty well at any ATM that had “Plus” logo.

[B]General Info of Fortaleza[/B]
Fortaleza has 4 main “city beach” area and then downtown. The beach areas are Praia do Iracema, Praia do Meireles, Praia do Murcuripe, and Praia do Futuro. The apartment and the main mongering areas are in Iracema. To walk to Meireles is about a 20 minute walk and you can walk all the way to the end of Mucuripe in about 45-60 minutes. To get to Futuro, you need a taxi (20 BR one way) or a bus ($1.80 BR one way). The Meireles area has a South Beach feel about it (without the beautiful people or clubs). There is a “boardwalk” that connects all 3 areas. Futuro has the many “barracas”, much stronger waves, and has more of a small resort feel. Outside of the beach area, didn’t seem like Futuro had much else. I’m not sure of how clean the beaches are in the first 3 beach areas. A local said that the beaches weren’t very clean and that he would only recommend Futuro. This is also stated on this website: [url]http://www.fortalezabeaches.com/fortaleza-city.html[/url]. I didn’t see very many people in the water in Iracema, but more in the Meireles area. However, it wasn’t as if the beaches were debris filled anywhere, so I’m still not sure why more people were not in the Iracema beach area.

The climate in Fortaleza was very comfortable, even being close to the equator. Although it was hot during the day, there was very little humidity and you can easily cool down in the shade. At night, you can walk around without drenching in sweat. And, I barely had to use the AC in my apartment my entire stay, which I understand was “summer” in Fortaleza.

Safety wasn’t a problem either. I felt safe the entire time I was in Fortaleza. There is an area from the venues listed below to the apartment that can be dicey late night, otherwise no safety concerns.

Although normally I try to take in shopping malls or other local hangouts, I didn’t do that on this trip, although I understand that “Drago Do Mar” is a good spot to see/meet regular girls.

[B]My Rating Scale[/B]
I am attracted to the “girl next door” look with a nice ass, flat stomach, minimal makeup and all natural (no silicone). So, my rating scale is based on this.

10’s: there are no “10s” on my rating scale (when I’m sober). 9’s: These are the “hot” chicks like you see on Victoria Secret’s, Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue, and music videos. You easily notice them out from across the room. 8’s: These are the “pretty” girls (minimal makeup) with nice bodies (all natural) including nice ass and breasts. You notice them when they walk by. 7’s: These are “attractive” girls (maybe a little bit more makeup) with a nice ass, but maybe lacking in breasts. I am an ass man, so a girl could be attractive, have a great ass, but very small breasts and still be a “7” on my scale. I am very generous with my “7” rating. These are the girls that are attractive when you start talking to them. You notice they may either have nice eyes, a nice smile, full lips, pretty hair etc. 6’s: These are the “not ugly” girls with a nice ass with or without nice breasts. I’m not usually attracted to these girls, but they are doable (right time of the night, right price, right amount of alcohol, etc.) and I would have nothing to be ashamed about if anybody found out. 5’s or lower: I would never do sober, I would hope that no one ever found out and most likely I would just want a BJ.

[B]Chica venues[/B]

[U]Zippys[/U]
Come out of the apartment complex and go left about 2-3 blocks. There is a gas station on the right and Zippy’s is right next to/behind the gas station. It’s a bar/club. Zippys gets going between 11 and 11:30. Freelancers work here. Some (but not all) start off here before heading to the other spots. Plays electronic/techo music with a small dance floor where some girls will strut their stuff by dancing facing the mirror. The number and quality of girls seemed to vary each night, so I would recommend checking it out a couple of nights before deciding on whether it’s good or bad. Monday and Friday nights seemed to be the best while I was there. Also, while I was there, there was no entry fee for me, but it could be that my wingman and I were certainly spending enough money on alcohol and that was why we weren’t charged an entry. Girls usually want 150 BR, although some started out at 200 and wouldn’t budge and others would settle for 120. Some will be looking to do a few clients that night and others are only looking for 1 score. You have to feel each girl out. I liked Zippys.

[U]Forro Mambo, Café Del Mar, Club Europa[/U]
Come out of Zippys and go left along the right side of the street. About 2 blocks, you will see a road (It will say “Tourist Police” on the wall before the road) and turn right. This is the main strip. There are a few bars to hang out and watch people until you are ready to go to one of the discos. Club Europa was open, but really nothing going on. Forro Mambo and Café Del Mar (across from each other) both have a system where they give you a card when you enter and any drinks that you order get put on this card, which then has to be paid before you exit. Sometimes there is a fee for entering and sometimes it was free. Just need to look at the card to see if on that particular night there is an entrance fee. I can’t really provide any consistency inter terms of pricing of drinks and I can’t help but think that the bill gets padded. The girls can enter free, but some from Café Del Mar won’t go into (or are banned) from Forro Mambo. Girls again want 150BR, but may settle for less later on in the night.

[U]Armamez[/U]
Open only on Wednesday night. It’s a huge warehouse type of setting about a 5 Real drive from Zippy’s. I saw the best looking women in Fortaleza at this place, but it’s hard to tell which girls are working and which were “regular” girls. Saw many of the same faces as the above venues here as well as new faces. By the end of the night (or early morning), it’s possible that all the girls are available. Because a lot of the girls go to this place on Wednesday night, the other spots may be dead on this night.

[U]Croco Beach[/U]
Apparently, on Thursday night at Croco Beach in Futuro (at a barraca called Croco beach), there are girls available centering on festivities related to crabs (the edible kind) that are brought in from the Amazon. My wingman and I went earlier in the day, but didn’t stay late enough to experience the night scene or festivities. I can’t provide much more information than this.

[U]Bellisima[/U]
I went on a Saturday afternoon, but apparently it is better during the week for the after work locals. It’s a bar with girls hanging around and rooms on site (I didn’t check out the rooms). No entry fee, 5 Real beers, and I think 120 BR for a girl for 1 hour. It’s about 15 BR from the apartment to get to Bellisima.

[U]Club Do Whisky[/U]
I tried to go one time on a Saturday afternoon, but it was closed. Apparently it opens around 7pm and is a 15 Real taxi ride from Bellisima or the apartment. Apparently, this has the hottest (and most expensive girls) according to a local. I never got to check it out so maybe someone else can provide additional info.

[B]Daytime/Evening Options[/B]
In Miereles, there is a barraca called “SateHut” on Beira Mar across from the McDonalds. During the daytime, you will see a few of the same girls that you see in the venues and a few other faces not seen at night. In the evening times, the entire strip has a lot of people and there are girls in pairs or groups walking around, although it is difficult to know which ones are available. Boa Vida barraca in Futuro had girls, but they seemed to already be paired up with guys. Other than that, your best bets would be to line something up for daytime from the night before, or to go to Bellisima or Club do Whisky.

[B]General Observations[/B]
In general, I didn’t see very many drop dead gorgeous women in Fortaleza. In fact, many had a “hard look” about them rather than the “soft look” I was used to in other countries I visited and which I prefer. Many had acne or acne scars, and wore an extensive about of makeup which made them look good in the bar and clubs, but not so much in daylight without makeup. Also, many had love handles and belly fat, even though they themselves wouldn’t be considered “fat”. And for a country known for beautiful “bundas”, I can’t say that I saw a lot of them in Fortaleza. Another general observation was that there were quite a bit of more “spinners” than I’ve seen in other destinations.

With that said, there were many girls that met my criteria for being a “6”, some that met my criteria for being a “7” (although it took more effort to find them), and a couple I saw that could be an “8”.

The girls are not as aggressive in making their availability known. If you make eye contact, the majority will turn and look away without even smiling. This was different from the other places where I visited where the girls would make eye contact and smile and then keep looking back every so often. It took me a few days to figure out that even those that don’t make eye contact are, in fact, available. Interestingly, I seemed to notice more eye contact and smiles after I hung out with one girl all night and then took her, which I’m sure that made all the other girls take notice that I was there to play and not just watch. So, for some of these “hard to get” P2P girls, your approach needs to be more casual than to just ask “how much?” and they may need to see you with another girl first to get their interest.

Another observation is that the girls like to make out in public. At my age now, I’m not much into public making out, but it seems that the girls are once you seal the deal with them. It makes me wonder, if this is really their way of showing the other girls that you have sealed the deal with them and for other girls not to encroach? I’m not sure…

[B]Summary[/B]
I’m glad that I had a chance to go visit Fortaleza, especially while access was easier. It is a great vacation destination with a rather lively mongering scene. However, I’m not sure that based on the quality of girls that I saw there, and with the prices not being significantly more favorable, I would recommend anyone to go just for mongering. Girls just as good or better for about the same prices can me more easily accessible in other destinations. On the other hand, if you are like me and like to combine a vacation with mongering, then you can know that in Fortaleza you can have both. I would consider Fortaleza again if there ever is another direct flight, or as a side trip from another Brazilian destination.

[QUOTE=Bijou][B]General Observations[/B]
In general, I didn’t see very many drop dead gorgeous women in Fortaleza. In fact, many had a “hard look” about them rather than the “soft look” I was used to in other countries I visited and which I prefer. Many had acne or acne scars, and wore an extensive about of makeup which made them look good in the bar and clubs, but not so much in daylight without makeup. Also, many had love handles and belly fat, even though they themselves wouldn’t be considered “fat”. And for a country known for beautiful “bundas”, I can’t say that I saw a lot of them in Fortaleza. Another general observation was that there were quite a bit of more “spinners” than I’ve seen in other destinations.

With that said, there were many girls that met my criteria for being a “6”, some that met my criteria for being a “7” (although it took more effort to find them), and a couple I saw that could be an “8”.

Another observation is that the girls like to make out in public. At my age now, I’m not much into public making out, but it seems that the girls are once you seal the deal with them. It makes me wonder, if this is really their way of showing the other girls that you have sealed the deal with them and for other girls not to encroach? I’m not sure…[/QUOTE]Bijou, I had a great time hanging out with you and meeting the Garotas at Zipi, Cafe del Mar, Armazem, Beira Mar, and - Especially - Forro Mambo! I still wish one of us would've approached that girl we kept seeing at Beira Mar during the day and with the short dress that kept popping up over her hips when she dipped low in front of the mirror at Zipi. She looked like a winner, but by then I was ensconced with Naomi (pics in a previous thread - speaking of Naomi, see #5 below).

I agree with most of your comments here. I'll add a few things:

1) The guy who rented me my apartments (Flat Classic, then Alta Vista Apartments) I think said it best as he took me to the airport. I was telling him it is difficult to explain the connection with the Brazilian girls with whom I hooked up - that when I would tell some friends about it, it wasn't enough to call it sleeping with a hooker because in Brazil, there's more to it. He said, exactly right I think, "You can buy sex anywhere in the world. The difference here is that the girls love sex, too, and they are able to be truly intimate with a man, even if it's only a short time thing." I definitely felt this here. I had some of the most intense/connected sex I've had with some of the girls in Fortaleza. This was no wham bam thank you m'aam sex for me.

2) Toda la Noche. I think it was easy to find if you went for a girl who wasn't super popular. The best ones all want to get at least a couple of customers in, and they know they can. A couple of these "top girls" said they would do TLN, but it would be double what they were quoting. Purely economical considerations, I think. Less popular girls are looking to score with just one customer and are more willing to do TLN. Celia was like this for me, she quoted R130, offered TLN. I chose not to keep her there, but she didn't go back to the clubs after we finished. Instead, she had a full wardrobe change in her purse and looked like a young girl out for a night at the movies by the time she left and went back home to her mom's house.

3) There are many poor, uneducated girls who need to make money, often to support a child. Many of these girls live with their mothers. Most of them do not have fathers in their lives. In Fortaleza (and Brazil in general) there seem to be many many young girls with young children. Of the 7 or so girls I was with, 4 of them had children (and they were 19, 21, 24, and 20 years old). I spoke with Daiana (19yo, with a 4 yo girl) about this for awhile during one of our encounters, and she said that education in general in Brazil is bad and sex education is almost non-existent, so girls start having sex as young as 12 and horny boys often impregnate them. Daiana is a pretty sharp girl, but she's got a long hard life ahead of her, I fear.

4) While there indeed are a preponderance of 5's and 6's, the scene at night (again, especially Forro Mambo) was filled with girls. I'd say that most nights there were easily 300 there, with only 100s of guys. So, while probably 2/3 or maybe even more of them were 6 or below, there were still easily 50-100 girls to really get excited about on a given night. Not bad hunting. Not bad at all. In the end, I stayed in Fortaleza rather than traveling to Natal because I was having such a good time each night. I definitely paid for all the drinking, smoking, and lack of sleep. When I got home, I had a full blown cold.

5) One personal experience/note: This may or may not be usual, but I developed, and had reciprocated, a very strong connection with one girl on this trip. I paid to take Naomi home twice (2nd day and 4th day there). After the second time, she told me she had to go back to work the clubs (she needed the money), but asked if she could return to me towards the morning and she made it clear that it was her personal choice to do so, and she didn't expect money. She did return that night - she was exhausted and we did no more than sleep/cuddle until 10am or so - and she again arranged to see me early in the morning on my last day in town. That time, we made love for a long time, had breakfast, went to a tattoo shop (she wants to get the same tattoo I have on my shoulder on her own shoulder) and just hung out together for a few hours before she had to go to her day job and I had to head out to the airport. As a married man, I didn't seek this kind of connection, but it found me anyway. Brazil can be a dangerous place, in more ways than I even thought possible!

Great trip report- Fortaleza is making it difficult for me to go to Rio anytime soon.

[QUOTE=Black Hawk69] I am curious if you prefer Fortaleza over Cartagena or vice versa.[/QUOTE]I don't want to start any controversy, but since this was asked, I will respond. I'll preface my response by saying that I have been to Cartegena 4 times (3x last year) and only one time to Brazil, with my recent Fortaleza being my first trip.

For the quality of women, I prefer CTG, if timed right. What I mean, is that my first 3 trips to CTG were at times that girls throughout Colombia would come to CTG at certain times of the year to make some money (Easter week, July- I think during Colombian/Cartagena Independence week, and the week of the Miss Colombia contest in Nov). During all of these visits, there were easily many "7s" on my rating scale and several "8s". However, my trip this year in the first week of July, there were less "7s" and and hardly any "8s". So, I think that CTG has to be timed right to really see some stunning women, but I'm certainly not the expert.

For quantity of working women (solely based on my 1 trip), for beaches, food, and overall city, Fortaleza wins hands down. I'm not sure if "seasonality" affects quality/quantity of women as it does various other destinations. Maybe someone else can better answer that.

Pricewise for the girls, it's about the same for "7s' and "8s", but I don't overpay or try to negotiate very hard to save $10-$15 USD, but rather try to reward someone who gives me the GFE that I look for (but only for a couple of hours b/c I like to sleep and wake up alone).

With the above said, I would certainly go back to FOR if there is another direct flight from ATL. In the meantime, there are other places in Brazil and Colombia (and the world) I would like to go to.

A couple of years ago I read on this forum that there is a "house" in Fortaleza where you can take out girls. Supposedly near the Iguatami Shopping center, wherever that is. Anyone know if it is still around, and how to get there?

[QUOTE=Henry R]A couple of years ago I read on this forum that there is a "house" in Fortaleza where you can take out girls. Supposedly near the Iguatami Shopping center, wherever that is. Anyone know if it is still around, and how to get there?[/QUOTE]

It is called Belissima, it is on Rua Vicente Leitte 2010 (although I am not certain about the number) or 2020. Two blocks from Avenida Antonio Sales. A blue wall with a security guy outside. All taxi drivers know it. Price around 100 Reais for a two hour take out. Expect ro pay 20 Reais more if you go with a taxi for its comission. They have a lounge with a bar where you can observe all the girs on shift (15-20). They usually change shift around 20:00 hrs. Open 24 hrs except Sunday morning to Monday morning.
They also have rooms on the site.

Hi
I live in fortaleza permanently. If anyone is in town PM me we can meet up.
cheers

[QUOTE=El Greco]It is called Belissima, it is on Rua Vicente Leitte 2010 (although I am not certain about the number) or 2020. Two blocks from Avenida Antonio Sales. A blue wall with a security guy outside. All taxi drivers know it. Price around 100 Reais for a two hour take out. Expect ro pay 20 Reais more if you go with a taxi for its comission. They have a lounge with a bar where you can observe all the girs on shift (15-20). They usually change shift around 20:00 hrs. Open 24 hrs except Sunday morning to Monday morning.
They also have rooms on the site.[/QUOTE]

Overnight takeouts possible?

How much?

[QUOTE=Bigcebu]Overnight takeouts possible?

How much?[/QUOTE]

You've better go to the Zipi bar after 22;30 and other bars around there for that. 100-150 Reais. Opposite Mc Donalds on Avenida Beira Mar from 19;30 to midnight too. Belissima must be much more expensive I guess for same quality girls.

Last time I was in Forta, the girls were offering R150 for the first night, and then a flat R100 for each extra day. They would stay with you the whole time, but of course you're also on the hook for food and such. I got the impression this was the way the Italians liked to have it.

[QUOTE=Brazil Lover]Last time I was in Forta, the girls were offering R150 for the first night, and then a flat R100 for each extra day. They would stay with you the whole time, but of course you're also on the hook for food and such. I got the impression this was the way the Italians liked to have it.[/QUOTE]

How long was that "last time" ago?

[QUOTE=Bigcebu]How long was that "last time" ago?[/QUOTE]

That was in 2008.

[QUOTE=El Greco]It is called Belissima, it is on Rua Vicente Leitte 2010 (although I am not certain about the number) or 2020. Two blocks from Avenida Antonio Sales. A blue wall with a security guy outside. All taxi drivers know it. Price around 100 Reais for a two hour take out. Expect ro pay 20 Reais more if you go with a taxi for its comission. They have a lounge with a bar where you can observe all the girs on shift (15-20). They usually change shift around 20:00 hrs. Open 24 hrs except Sunday morning to Monday morning.
They also have rooms on the site.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the answer about Belissima. It is supposed to be near the Iguatami Shopping Center. Is it? If so, I am just curious as to what area of Fortaleza Iguatami Shopping Center is in.

just look for it on google maps, it is just on the north end of bairro guararapes, surrunded by that big ecologic parc.

[QUOTE=Henry R]Thanks for the answer about Belissima. It is supposed to be near the Iguatami Shopping Center. Is it? If so, I am just curious as to what area of Fortaleza Iguatami Shopping Center is in.[/QUOTE]

Close enough but not within walking distance. There is a public bus service from Avenida Abolicao about 2,70 Reais and they also used to have their own bus passing by Avenida Beira Mar every 30 min. Check their site for that info. I am talking about Iguatemi.

Near Belissima on Avenida Antonio Sales, two blocks north, there is a very nice bar/restaurant IMHO a must for freebies on Friday/Saturday nights and Sunday evenings. Check it out. Don't remember the name now.

[QUOTE=El Greco]You've better go to the Zipi bar after 22;30 and other bars around there for that. 100-150 Reais....[/QUOTE]

That's very cheap in comparison to prices of terma in Rio.... so what about the quality of girls in terms of beauty ?

Thanks in advance ;)

[QUOTE=El Greco]Close enough but not within walking distance. There is a public bus service from Avenida Abolicao about 2,70 Reais and they also used to have their own bus passing by Avenida Beira Mar every 30 min. Check their site for that info. I am talking about Iguatemi.

Near Belissima on Avenida Antonio Sales, two blocks north, there is a very nice bar/restaurant IMHO a must for freebies on Friday/Saturday nights and Sunday evenings. Check it out. Don't remember the name now.[/QUOTE]

What I really meant was I wanted a general idea of where the Iguatami Shopping Center is. That way I would have a general idea where Belissima is.
For example, is it near Centro, or near Dragao de Mar, or near Praia do futuro, or near where that famous Whiskey A GO GO Bar is? Is it in the southern or western part of town? Just a general idea in relation to Fortaleza. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Henry R]What I really meant was I wanted a general idea of where the Iguatami Shopping Center is.[/QUOTE]
Eastern part of Fortaleza.
Google, maps: Fortaleza, Iguatemi.

The TOP bus is a good way to go there. Takes quite some time to get there.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]That's very cheap in comparison to prices of terma in Rio.... so what about the quality of girls in terms of beauty ?

Thanks in advance ;)[/QUOTE]As I mentioned to JD. Rio is nothing like fotaleza period! (in terms of girl quality) I have been all over northern brasil and I speak portuguese. Once a friend of mine and I did a tour of northern brasil and ended it in Rio and when we saw the women of Rio we both said simutaneously. HOME! LOL. Now we had a great time and I love the straight forward set up of fortelaza (the layout is great basically a straight line, but the women don't come close in terms of looks. Note I said looks. "Brasil is Brasil" in terms of sexuality. I have had GFE in 6 states in brasil so I would say that GFE's is the rule and not the exception in Brasil.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]That's very cheap in comparison to prices of terma in Rio.... so what about the quality of girls in terms of beauty ?

Thanks in advance ;)[/QUOTE]As I mentioned to JD. Rio is nothing like fotaleza period! (in terms of girl quality) I have been all over northern brasil and I speak portuguese. Once a friend of mine and I did a tour of northern brasil and ended it in Rio and when we saw the women of Rio we both said simutaneously. HOME! LOL. Now we had a great time and I love the straight forward set up of fortelaza (the layout is great basically a straight line, but the women don't come close in terms of looks. Note I said looks. "Brasil is Brasil" in terms of sexuality. I have had GFE in 6 states in brasil so I would say that GFE's is the rule and not the exception in Brasil.

[QUOTE=Sperto]Eastern part of Fortaleza.
Google, maps: Fortaleza, Iguatemi.

The TOP bus is a good way to go there. Takes quite some time to get there.[/QUOTE]


I looked it up in Google Maps. It shows Iguatemi Shopping Center to be west of Iracema, and slightly south of Iracema. Is that considered to be the eastern part of Fortaleza?

[QUOTE=Henry R]I looked it up in Google Maps. It shows Iguatemi Shopping Center to be west of Iracema, and slightly south of Iracema. Is that considered to be the eastern part of Fortaleza?[/QUOTE]
West of Iracema? "Slightly" south of Iracema? You're lost, try reading the map again. Iguatemi is east of Iracema.

Taxi, TOP-bus or a bit more than one hours walk (about 7 kilometers).

[url]http://www.iguatemifortaleza.com.br/iguatemi-institucional.php?conteudo=infra-estrutura[/url]

[QUOTE=Henry R] Is that considered to be the eastern part of Fortaleza?[/QUOTE]
It is indeed. Usually the right sight of a map is the eastern part, so Iguatemi Shopping is east of Iracema.

[QUOTE=Sperto]West of Iracema? "Slightly" south of Iracema? You're lost, try reading the map again. Iguatemi is east of Iracema.

Taxi, TOP-bus or a bit more than one hours walk (about 7 kilometers).

[url]http://www.iguatemifortaleza.com.br/iguatemi-institucional.php?conteudo=infra-estrutura[/url][/QUOTE]


Iguatemi is southeast of Iracema on your link. It was west of it on a different link from the forum that I used previously, which apparently was not a good link.

[QUOTE=Henry R]Iguatemi is southeast of Iracema on your link. It was west of it on a different link from the forum that I used previously, which apparently was not a good link.[/QUOTE]
Not that it matters, but what link could that be?

Sorry guys, but I'm very bored from Henry's questions about Iguatemi shopping!

The Sperto's answer is perfect:

Eastern part of Fortaleza.

Google maps: Fortaleza, Iguatemi.

And other:

West of Iracema? "Slightly" south of Iracema? You're lost, try reading the map again. Iguatemi is east of Iracema.

Taxi, TOP-bus or a bit more than one hours walk (about 7 kilometers).

I can only add:

You can go by taxy: about 15 R$ from McDonald, at night, lenght 20 minutes with normal traffic; from Praia do futuro (Boa vida) same price,

Other place depends where you are. From centro is more expensive, from aldeota less, etc.

Is in the Eastern part, if yoy by your car, good luck and.

Going with GPS is easier. LOL

And I hope it's enough.

Just my 2 cents. Or 2 reais

The Iguatemi Address is:

Av Washington Soares, 85. Fortaleza. CE, 60811-340, Brasile +55 85 3477-3577

And more, open daily:

HORÁRIOS

Segunda a Sábado 10:00 às 22:00 (frommonday to Saturday)

Domingo 12:00 às 21:00 (Sunday)

Telefones: +55 (85) 3477. 3560 / +55 (85) 3477. 3590 (fax)

Endereço: Av. Washington Soares, 85. Água Fria. Fortaleza. CE

[QUOTE=Sperto]Not that it matters, but what link could that be?[/QUOTE]

Let's forget about it. Not all that important. And I don't want Forty to have a heart attack.

Hi,

I will be going Fortaleza in mid November.

Can anyone recommend GF hotels?

[QUOTE=Mario78]Hi,

I will be going Fortaleza in mid November.

[/QUOTE]
Congratulations!
About the hotels: RTFF
And afterwards please write a report about your trip to Fortaleza, seems nobody cares about the GDPs any more, just shopping and chit-chat...
Pyjama

[QUOTE=Pyjama]Congratulations!
About the hotels: RTFF
And afterwards please write a report about your trip to Fortaleza, seems nobody cares about the GDPs any more, just shopping and chit-chat...
Pyjama[/QUOTE]

Agreed - but if you are short of time and cannot search this thread... apartments are best, if not I would try IBIS or the Casa Blanca.

Dev

[QUOTE=Mario78]Hi,

I will be going Fortaleza in mid November.

Can anyone recommend GF hotels?[/QUOTE]Check out FortalezaApartments dot net - I booked through them for my stay in late August into September and will stay at another of his places in November/December. Enrico is cool, he's got decent places, and he picks you up from the airport. You need to email the address on the site to find out what's available. Send him an email with your requirements.

[QUOTE=Devileyes]Agreed - but if you are short of time and cannot search this thread... apartments are best, if not I would try IBIS or the Casa Blanca.

Dev[/QUOTE]
Though apartments lack any service. I'd always stay in Hotel Americas, just across the street of Casa Blanca. Check out both.

Pyjama

[QUOTE=InBrazilSoon]Good site for fotos of the Fortaleza club scene.

[url]http://photoatnight.com[/url][/QUOTE]
I've been using this site to spot familiar GDPs at Zipi, Mambo, and Cafe del Mar since I got back to the states. Seems like the site did a re-design and there no longer is a link to the photos from those three clubs. I wonder if it's an oversight in the re-launch or a purposeful removal of those clubs?

I`ve seen some references here about Clube do Whiskey(Whisky), but could anyone please give me an adress of the location, and also perhaps a report of the place?

[QUOTE=Fronyl]I`ve seen some references here about Clube do Whiskey(Whisky), but could anyone please give me an adress of the location, and also perhaps a report of the place?[/QUOTE]The address is:

Clube do Whisky. Rua Silva Paulet, 2671. Tel. 3247-7109

The road is a sidestreet of Rua Abolicao (Meireles), but it's a bit far (number 2671.); the club is high level, very expensive, the girls too (250-300R$ or more. And others for drinks and motel).

Happy hunting.

Forty

[QUOTE=Forty]The address is:

Clube do Whisky. Rua Silva Paulet, 2671. Tel. 3247-7109

The road is a sidestreet of Rua Abolicao (Meireles), but it's a bit far (number 2671.); the club is high level, very expensive, the girls too (250-300R$ or more. And others for drinks and motel).

Happy hunting.

Forty[/QUOTE]
Tried it , not impressed, girls quite ordinary and grossly expensive
stick with forro Mambo/Cafe de Mar and beach Av Abolicao

[QUOTE=Devileyes]Agreed - but if you are short of time and cannot search this thread... apartments are best, if not I would try IBIS or the Casa Blanca.

Dev[/QUOTE]


Just spent a week at the IBIS - $105 a night for me, $14BR additional a night for a friend. Hit the usual clubs, had one quote for $250BR, after I walked away from her laughing I found all others wanted about $100BR and possibly some extra for a taxi home.

Bikini and Europa are both closed, Zips, Cafe Del Mar and Mambo were rocking.

Dev

i was in fortaleza in august and met nomi, kept in contact, etc. now i'm back and she came to my place around noon the day after i arrived. she doesn't speak english, i speak very little portuguese (tho it's getting better), but we get buy on spanish/portuguese. nomi says that she's trying to give up the life: hasn't been to mambo, zipi, etc for a month, got a new/better/higher-paying day job, etc. this girl loves cerveja, but says only after 4pm (something about not drinking "during the day" even though 4pm is still day, i think). other than food, drinks, shopping, etc, i'm not paying her for sex this time around.

after a quick tumble in the sack to reacquaint ourselves, we went to lunch and to unlock an iphone 3g i brought for her (...anyone coming to brasil and meeting up with a girl may want to bring an older generation iphone. this one cost me $100 in the us, but similar models cost $600usd here because of 100% import taxes - a new iphone 3gs that we saw in iguatemi in august cost $900usd! no way i was buying that, but the cheapy used iphone from the us made a great impression on her...)

last time, i made it only to iracema, beira mar, and praia futuro. centro is what you'd expect - lots of people, lots of hawkers, activity, etc. lunch in a self-serve (by weight) place. while waiting for the iphone unlocking work to be done, she rolls up my sleeve and talks about how she adores my tattoo. last time, she said she was going to get it. i ask if she wants to go get a version of it and she smiled wide and said "sim, sim, sim" - off we go to a shopping area that was filled with tattoo and piercing places. we negotiated with one place - they wanted r100 which she said was too much. got to the place she got her last tattoo and they did it for r60. picture attached.

ok, so we shop around a bit more - the iphone unlocking took forever, like 3 hours. she looks at some makeup, we're a little bored, and she looks at her watch - magic time: 4pm and time to have some beers up in the little "food court" area. finally get the iphone and head to my apartment around 6pm. she says we can party in the apartment, but she doesn't want to go out - no mambo. cool by me. i had a 12-pack in the fridge and nomi tells me it's not going to be enough! we start drinking, listening to some music on the tv and youtube, smoking cigarettes. about 6 beers and and hour or so in she showers, we have another roll in the hay and a beer together and she says she wants to go out tonight after all, just not to the "puta-rias" (or something like that - her words, said with a laugh). she then lights up and says something about going to her friend's then to clubes "normal, normal, normal!"

so we head out and go to porto do iracema down the block, and apartment building very close the the action spots. she wryly asks me if i know the place, and i explain that my friend bijou from last time stayed here. she says that its where many of the girls have shared apartments so they can work easier, etc. we go up to one of these. it's like a 2 bedroom and there were literally 10 girls in there. some her friends, others she doesn't know. she disappears in the back talking to one of her friends (later, i found out they hadn't talked in weeks and she'd been trying to reach this girl without response, etc). some of the girls get me a beer and ask me to sit, and they all come around asking me questions (name, from, speak portuguese). girls would show up out of the back rooms, some with a pack of smokes to share, others just carrying their beer and smoking. most of the girls were 5-6s with one pretty hot but very young-looking one who was sort of off by herself in the kitchen chain smoking. it was quite a scene. we leave after 30 minutes or so. they asked for beer money for later. i gave r20 and they seemed happy.

off we go to a cab. at the time, i think we're going to some local club in centro. traffic is a nightmare and we finally get out and turn the corner into centro and it's a huge festival. festa natal. the entire square is wall to wall people, the buildings are filled with lights (angels, christmas trees, streaming lights of green and red and gold...), the square is ringed by food carts with all kinds of different stuff. the coolest thing i saw there was right away as we walked in - one of the old brick buildings had like 6 stories, with the facing wall having 5 "windows" across. the side of the building was also partially visible and it had more like 10 "windows" across. turns out, these "windows" are open to the air and more like a balcony under an archway. in time to the music, each "window" was filled with people part of the show, dressed in red, swaying in time to the music. looked like something out of a dr. seuss book - surreal effect. i wish i would've brought my camera, but nomi had told me not to, and to wear only flip flops, store my watch in the safe, etc. i guess she was worried about "ladrones" because, again, the place was mobbed with people.

we force our way through, grab some beers from a corner guy. trying to give r2, i accidentally pull out r100 and they all laugh at the gringo. we're at this for 90 minutes or so, drinking probably 4 grande beers each in that time. she's got to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url], and we wait in a long line for the porta-potties. nomi's fairly drunk by now, and she burned some fellow partier with her cigarette while dancing samba to the christmas music, now she almost gets in a fight when some of the girls in front of her in line let a pregnant woman go in front. nomi then jumps to the front and goes in when the pregnant woman comes out. luckily, though they pounded the door some, the other girls let it go.

next, some food from one of the stands, but nomi spots a guy bringing around tequila shots and orders us 3 - one each, one to share. didn't need that. cuervo regular. ugh. at least he had salt and lime. while we're eating shish kabobs and fries and, of course, drinking more beer, nomi is chatting away with a couple about tattoos and whatever else and she gets some food down the wrong pipe. ugly scene of choking, coughing, me thinking i need to try the heimlich on her (never done it), running eye-makeup, tears, mucous, the whole 9 yards. a good minute of this. finally, she clears it and gets help cleaning up from me and the people she was talking with. the festival is ending, too (it's about 10:30 i think), and it's definitely time to head out. taxi's were impossible. we tried for 15 minutes and nomi comes up with the "brilliant" idea of getting two moto-cabs (basically you ride on the back of a motorcycle with the driver). she tells them r5 each. oh shit. i'm a big guy, 250lbs. the drivers each tell me to go to the other one. of course they want nomi as a passenger not me. the unlucky loser finally tells me to get on, and off we go! shit, shit, shit, these guys are whizzing in and out of traffic at pretty high speeds, we're bottoming out as we go over crests and bumps because of the weight. wow. absolutely nuts. maybe only 5 minutes, but i never want to do that again.

we stop early. where are we? right by mambo and cafe del mar. i screw up again with only r100 to pay the moto guys so nomi goes to get change while the guys shake their heads at me. we settle, and nomi, pretty wasted now, starts walking us towards forro mambo. i ask her "didn't you not want to go here?" she says no problem, just drink and dance. problem is, it's only about 11pm and it's not open yet. so, we go off to zipi. it's only 11, but it was packed already. most tables were taken, but there was one near the stripper pole and mirrors, which i grabbed. tons of hot girls there. hope to get a chance to sample on another night. nomi spends a long time in the bathroom (she was still just in her shorts and tee shirt from being together all day - she didn't bring a bag) because her hair and makeup was in bad shape from the choking incident. i order beer from the same waitress as in august, we chat a bit. i see lots of familiar faces, and i'm hoping diana, another girl i kept in touch with but whom i didn't tell i was coming, doesn't show up. i did see julia, a little spinner from last time, but we haven't kept in touch, so it was just a nice hello how are you. nomi comes out and she's in the mood for dancing.... and making out... and pole dancing ... and biting my neck and face ... and tonguing me/making out a ton more. for any of you there last night, i apologize for the way-too-much pda. man, i thought she was going to do me right there in front of the mirrors at the back of zipi bar. every chance i get, i'm telling her, let's go home and make love because by now it was best to get out of public. we finish our beers and, thankfully, grab a cab and are whisked back to my apartment around 12:30.

first thing, cold shower. then hot sex for an hour. awesome, uninhibited, animal sex with all the noise and mess associated with such. it was intense! next, beer! damn, this girl can't stop drinking beer. and smoking. two packs between us throughout the night (she doesn't smoke until after dark - about 5:30pm - another funny time-based rule for nomi). i don't even smoke at home. feeling it now. soon enough, nomi wants to go out and grab some food. says it'll be quick. we walk all the way back (10 minute walk) to one of the little restaurants outside forro mambo. normal night-time scene out there: girls everywhere in and out of mambo and cafe de mar, homeless guys asking change, vendors with trinkets, etc. she orders us beer (of course) and two big bob sandwiches (like a burger with ham and egg and cheese - perfect order, actually, for all the drinking we'd done). we're watching ufc and she's hopping off to talk to a girl here or there that she knows. i notice diana sitting at a table behind me. i'm sure she saw me, but hoping not. ok, done and walking back, passing the transvestite and/or transsexuals along the way back, including a scene with some local guy, the police, and a transsexual arguing about something. he probably found something in "her" pants he didn't expect ...

home at last. bed time. not so fast. nomi wants to drink more beer. i tell her to go for it, but i'm going to shower and bed. she pouts a little but is fine. she's watching musica tv and drinking/smoking and i drift off. not sure how much later, i wake up to nomi climbing on top of me whispering "eu quente. eu te quero, agora!" shit. not because she wants me, but i'm out of condoms, and she doesn't have any either. we're playing and moaning, but i'm trying to cool it off. she keeps whispering/moaning "eu quente" and she's on top and she slips it in. i tell her we can't, she says "eu quente" so i go with it, but pull out in plenty of time and unload. ok. done. what a day/night. this morning, she had a bad hangover, didn't remember getting food or our last little quente session together.

she left a couple hours ago, but said she'll be back at 9pm tonight. i may have a hard time slipping this one and checking out the scene a bit more, at least until after her birthday (which is monday). she has to go back to work tuesday, but i'm sure the garota gossip network will have my ass in hand for her when i get with another girl next week. assim é a vida.

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo]... Assim é a vida.[/QUOTE]
Wow, that was a very nice report. I almost felt like I was there.

Jd Garbanzo, I really enjoyed your report. I haven't posted in a while, since I haven't to Brazil in a couple of years. Given the current situation in Rio, Fortaleza may be my next stop. Sperto, I loved recent post regarding the favelas in Rio. You were completely on point!

RR

Hey JD - great report, best I have read in some time. Moto taxi? Holy shit man! I just got back from there and I miss it already!

Dev

[QUOTE=Devileyes]Just spent a week at the IBIS - $105 a night for me, $14BR additional a night for a friend. Hit the usual clubs, had one quote for $250BR, after I walked away from her laughing I found all others wanted about $100BR and possibly some extra for a taxi home.

Bikini and Europa are both closed, Zips, Cafe Del Mar and Mambo were rocking.

Dev[/QUOTE]That's nice of IBIS with their guest/joiner policies. Are the rooms bigger than they are in Rio's Ibisi? First night in Fortaleza last night and hit with a 100 reale guest surcharge -- payable in cash on the spot -- at the Praia Centro. Hotel policy, didn't go into anyone's pocket. Hope to turn up top quality hostelry ASAP, if anyone knows.

Good party at Forro Mambo yesterday for a Sunday. Help spirit lives.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]That's nice of IBIS with their guest/joiner policies. Are the rooms bigger than they are in Rio's Ibisi? First night in Fortaleza last night and hit with a 100 reale guest surcharge -- payable in cash on the spot -- at the Praia Centro. Hotel policy, didn't go into anyone's pocket. Hope to turn up top quality hostelry ASAP, if anyone knows.

Good party at Forro Mambo yesterday for a Sunday. Help spirit lives.[/QUOTE]
I'm staying at the Flat Classic through Enrico at [url]http://bit.ly/dNlFF1[/url] - NO guest surcharge, require docs and filling out an info card. I'm paying something like Euro50 per night. A/c in bedroom, wired internet, safe. Not the highest quality place, but gets the job done. He has other places, too, and he makes sure they're girl-friendly if that's what you want.

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo]I'm staying at the Flat Classic through Enrico at [url]http://bit.ly/dNlFF1[/url] - NO guest surcharge, require docs and filling out an info card. I'm paying something like Euro50 per night. A/c in bedroom, wired internet, safe. Not the highest quality place, but gets the job done. He has other places, too, and he makes sure they're girl-friendly if that's what you want.[/QUOTE]Thanks. here for only a week, so can live in a Casa Blanca or Ibis quality, if that's the best there is. Checking the 4+ star places today and the 100 reale surcharge seems standard in town. ever hear of El Capitain (or has it changed names)?

Given a chance I would stay elsewhere, like a nice apartment, but business travel requires a hotel for obvious reasons. My local contacts don't like the CasaBlanca due to its reputation. The IBIS works best for me. I do not know about the IBIS in Rio, but these rooms are small and sparse (see my photos from my last review). All I need is a bed and shower - oh and it has to be GF with no major surcharge.

Enjoy yourself and say hi to the cute little bartender at the Cafe Del Mar for me.

To all the guys contributed to this thread, it's great info.

Me and 2 mates (2 English. 1 Irish) are going to Fortaleza for the first time. A little daunting but looking forward to it. Fortaleza seems very full and we haven't got apartment or hotel sorted yet, so if anyone has any info on availability that would be great. I've contacted all suitable places mentioned in the thread but with little reply as yet.

None of us speak a word of Portuguese, so we'll have to get to work on a bit of lingo.

Anyone fancies meeting up for a beer while we're there, let us know.

Thanks again for all the info in the thread.

Forgot dates. We're there Dec 29 to Jan 2 or 3rd then on to Rio and Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=Gringo147; 1100948]To all the guys contributed to this thread, it's great info.

Me and 2 mates (2 English. 1 Irish) are going to Fortaleza for the first time. A little daunting but looking forward to it. Fortaleza seems very full and we haven't got apartment or hotel sorted yet, so if anyone has any info on availability that would be great. I've contacted all suitable places mentioned in the thread but with little reply as yet.

None of us speak a word of Portuguese, so we'll have to get to work on a bit of lingo.

Anyone fancies meeting up for a beer while we're there, let us know.

Thanks again for all the info in the thread. [/QUOTE]

Good luck with your trip.

Fun city for ano novo. For me, I just checked the flights again and at $3100. 00 US I will pass.

Hope you got a better deal.

[QUOTE=InBrazilSoon; 1101324]Good luck with your trip.

Fun city for ano novo. For me, I just checked the flights again and at $3100. 00 US I will pass.

Hope you got a better deal. [/QUOTE]With TAM now on Star Alliance it was nice and easy (and cheaper) moving around Brazil last month. 25, 000 miles and $16 for the domestic roundtrip, though doubt they'll let you do it Christmas / Ano Novo times.

As for Fortaleza fun, definitely a party to be had. Although the talent was like Help in its late terminal stage. On the Zip, Cafe Mar, Mambo Forro circuit about half of the girls were unvarnished favela types. About the quarter of the rest were veneered with new clothes and some hair care. With no cover being charged, others were straight street-walker types. Rough. The few good ones seem to show up once and then disappear. Maybe they get put on the European plan by guys who want a girlfriend-for-a-week vacation, or else show up only when rent is due. There's a wide range of body-types, something for everyone. But the total package of smoking body, sweet face, young is the rare thing there. Still a better vibe than anything in Rio at the moment if you like be out in a club dancing full of opportunities. At the Beira Mar between the McDonald's and the Subway at night also there are hookers at the kioske / restaurants. Unless you like old and overweight avoid eye contact when having a beer or a meal there.

Friend of mine works for an airline and gets silly cheap prices. £190 return from Lisbon, call it £350 with London to Lisbon. .

[QUOTE=InBrazilSoon; 1101324]Good luck with your trip.

Fun city for ano novo. For me, I just checked the flights again and at $3100. 00 US I will pass.

Hope you got a better deal. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gringo147; 1100948]To all the guys contributed to this thread, it's great info.

Me and 2 mates (2 English. 1 Irish) are going to Fortaleza for the first time. A little daunting but looking forward to it. Fortaleza seems very full and we haven't got apartment or hotel sorted yet, so if anyone has any info on availability that would be great. I've contacted all suitable places mentioned in the thread but with little reply as yet.

None of us speak a word of Portuguese, so we'll have to get to work on a bit of lingo.

Anyone fancies meeting up for a beer while we're there, let us know.

Thanks again for all the info in the thread. [/QUOTE]I will be there from 19 to 8.

Try this.

[url]http://www.fortaleza-vacanze.com/appartamenti-fortaleza.aspx?lang=_a[/url]

Good mongering!

[QUOTE=Rometta; 1101753]I will be there from 19 to 8.

Try this.

[url]http://www.fortaleza-vacanze.com/appartamenti-fortaleza.aspx?lang=_a[/url]

Good mongering! [/QUOTE]Eventually write to Nara. She have a lot apartments and are used to help gringos with these things.

Nara Beatriz Fassi.

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[email]nfassi18@hotmail.com[/email]

[QUOTE=Balluba; 1101812]Eventually write to Nara. She have a lot apartments and are used to help gringos with these things.

Nara Beatriz Fassi.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]142927[/ATTACH]

[email]nfassi18@hotmail.com[/email][/QUOTE]Good info.

Nice looking lady.
I miss your pics of Toblerone-girls.

She's a cutie.

Does she know about this forum if I said someone recommended?

[QUOTE=Balluba; 1101812]Eventually write to Nara. She have a lot apartments and are used to help gringos with these things.

Nara Beatriz Fassi.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]142927[/ATTACH]

[email]nfassi18@hotmail.com[/email][/QUOTE]

I might get slaughtered for this, but is she a gdp? I'm assuming not, but hey you don't ask, you don't find out anything. .

[QUOTE=Balluba; 1101812]Eventually write to Nara. She have a lot apartments and are used to help gringos with these things.

Nara Beatriz Fassi.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]142927[/ATTACH]

[email]nfassi18@hotmail.com[/email][/QUOTE]

This is a response I sent another member after he PM'd me about the scene. I thought it worth sharing a (somewhat) succinct summary of the most active portions of the Fortaleza Bar Scene.

Most nights, there are 3 sure-fire bars for plenty of GDP action in a scene that has the feel of the old Help, but not quite the talent level (though I found plenty to my liking every night I was out, both times I've been there) :

1. Zipi Bar. It's the "early" place. Many of the girls go there around 11 or 11:30. There may be a R10 entry fee, which includes two drinks. This lasts no later than 1am, but twice I found a girl here, went home for an early session, then went on to the main scene. Some of the better ones are looking exactly for that situation. Get a program early at Zipi, then one later at one of the other bars.

2. Forro Mambo. This is the one that is most happening now. Two levels, nice big outdoor balcony. Dance music upstairs, Forro downstairs usually. Later (around 3:00am) another room called "Disco" opens up upstairs. This is my least favorite room because it's basically the same music as the other room, but with a constant pulsating strobe light in an otherwise dark-ish room. Hard to size things up. Every night there are upwards of 300-500 girls at Mambo, I'd say. It doesn't really get rolling until after 1am, with a peak around 2am. Wide variety, but definitely plenty of talent. You enter, they give you a card to track your drinks (R15 entry). Watch out for Red Bulls and liquor drinks. I stick with beer or water. It can add up.

3. Cafe de Mar. Across the street from Mambo. A little smaller, but still 100-200 girls. Same deal with the card as in Mambo. I only went here a couple times because Mambo was so great. (aside: this is, however, where I met. After seeing her at Zipi. My favorite girl I've ever been with. I wrote a report about her earlier this month, and about our fun around Centro in Fortaleza. Unfortunately, we got too close, and now she's completely wrecked that I'm returning to life at home in the US and have left her behind. Every time I call her, it's all tears. Makes me sad.)

Outside of Mambo and Cafe de Mar there are a bunch of smaller restaurants and bars as well. Girls come and go into the clubs and this area, and you can make eye contact from these places to pull a girl over as well. A friend of mine did only this and pulled pretty well. He saved himself a bunch on drinks, I'm sure, but part of the fun of these places is dancing with a girl, hooking up, making out in the club, etc. The girls are friendly / open and willing.

Wednesdays, Club Armazem is a good place to go. Mix of GDPs and non-Pros, but I'd say weighted more heavily towards the GDPs. You'll recognize many faces from Mambo, etc. If you go to Armazem on Weds. It's main attraction is a live Forro show in an open-air seating area. There are also two side bars with house and dance music for breaks in the live show, or just as an alternative.

GDP costs: Generally, the girls start at R200 (sometimes R250) , but will go for R100. R150. I'm not a great negotiator when I have something in my lap that I really want, so I usually was paying R150. This generally is for a couple of hours, but if the girl likes you, or you negotiate well, you can get them all night for R150, if you want.

During the early part of the evening and somewhat during the day, the Barracas in Beira Mar also have girls sitting, walking, trying to make eye contact. Some of the familiar faces from the bars, some not. Mostly, more hit or miss.

You should definitely go. Avoid March-June, I've heard (less girls, low season). It's a blast, overall.

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo; 1101861]Most nights, there are 3 sure-fire bars for plenty of GDP action in a scene that has the feel of the old Help, but not quite the talent level (though I found plenty to my liking every night I was out, both times I've been there) :

You should definitely go. Avoid March-June, I've heard (less girls, low season). It's a blast, overall. [/QUOTE]IF you found plenty to your liking there, you're lucky! A lot of the girls are virtual faveladas. If you see something good, be quick to make your pick. Not a lot of quality to go around. Don't wait until winding up in the disco room after 3 a. M. Either : it's so dark to see what you're getting, and it's mostly the dregs. Never got out of Forro Mambo for less than 120 reales bar tab, plus a couple at Cafe Mar and Zip's. A definite fun place for drinking and dancing. Found a girl from Manaus there who was spending a month in Fortaleza, and saw a girl in Forro who was on the same flight from Sao Paolo. Wondering if more girls from Brazil travel to Forta for the high season 1 Jan to end of Carnival / Feb. Although that's probably the time when there are even more Italians swarming over them. A shame about the talent level, but if you're willing to take what you can get, you'll have fun in this scene. A definite possibility to return.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1101882]IF you found plenty to your liking there, you're lucky! ... if you're willing to take what you can get, you'll have fun in this scene. A definite possibility to return.[/QUOTE]While I'll agree the scene is not like Rio in terms of looks, I also don't think it's a take what you can get type of scene. Sure, on any given night, the ratios are going to be something like:

- 10% 8+

- 20% 6-7.

- 50% 5.

- 10% 3-4.

- 10% 1-2.

However, on a night with 500 girls at Mambo, that's still 50 girls at 8+. Maybe you think my numbers are high, but I was talking with 5 or 6 Americans who were there at the same time as I was, and they all agreed there were plenty of good ones to choose from. Even if you go down to 5% at 8+, there's still 25 girls there that you can get with, and, with the way the Europeans also like things a little different too, not a hell of a lot of competition from the hobbyists.

Could just be a difference of opinion about looks / types. I never found a reason to complain.

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo; 1102198]However, on a night with 500 girls at Mambo, that's still 50 girls at 8+. Maybe you think my numbers are high, but I was talking with 5 or 6 Americans who were there at the same time as I was, and they all agreed there were plenty of good ones to choose from. Even if you go down to 5% at 8+, there's still 25 girls there that you can get with, and, with the way the Europeans also like things a little different too, not a hell of a lot of competition from the hobbyists.

Could just be a difference of opinion about looks / types. I never found a reason to complain. [/QUOTE]It's a numbers' game, like everywhere, and I'd take my chances there before anywhere in Rio right now.

As for ratings: everybody's are different. We're not judging miss world contestants to a universal standard; we're trying to find a body that matches up with ours for a few hours. Your 9+ is a nine plus for your particular body-type. Saw some girls in Forta who were about 4'7'. Bet they were 10s to the dwarf who was in Mambo a couple of the nights I was there. Curious to know if girls from other parts of Brazil visit Forta during High Season. Would go back if that were the case.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1102205]Curious to know if girls from other parts of Brazil visit Forta during High Season. Would go back if that were the case.[/QUOTE]In Fortaleza I've met quite a few pro's from Natal, Teresina and São Luís.

The most stunning ladies in Fortaleza you'll meet at Mucuripe Club. Very few GP's at Mucuripe Club, but definitely worth a visit when you're tired of seeing girls with squared heads and no necks. The club has 4 pistas.

[url]http://www.mucuripe.com.br/[/url]

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1102254]In Fortaleza I've met quite a few pro's from Natal, Teresina and São Luís.

The most stunning ladies in Fortaleza you'll meet at Mucuripe Club. Very few GP's at Mucuripe Club, but definitely worth a visit when you're tired of seeing girls with squared heads and no necks. The club has 4 pistas.

[url]http://www.mucuripe.com.br/[/url]

[/QUOTE]When were you last there?

Funny thing about the pumpkin block head / no necks: wasn't noticing so many inside the clubs. It was just the general sense that most of the women screamed favela. And, a number had done a tour of duty in the E. U. Yes, did encounter girls from neighboring regions, and Manaus.

Specifically, given the Ceara beaches and overall tourist destination: do girls from elsewhere gravitate to Fortaleza in High Season staking out or stalking gringo quarry? Like it was in Help in years gone by.

[QUOTE=Golfinho; 1102275]When were you last there?

Specifically, given the Ceara beaches and overall tourist destination: do girls from elsewhere gravitate to Fortaleza in High Season staking out or stalking gringo quarry? Like it was in Help in years gone by. [/QUOTE]I was there the last time in late January 2010.

There are some girls coming to Fortaleza to do their tricks in high-season. Propably good business as there are lots of Italian tourists, and quite a few Dutch, Scandinavians and Swiss as well.

[QUOTE=Gringo147; 1101845]She's a cutie.

Does she know about this forum if I said someone recommended? [/QUOTE]I would not think so. I expect no one to talk about this forum for locals. There are examples for members having big trouble after posting e. G. Photos or information here. Myselfes included.

As far as I know she is not gdp. But she have a lot of nice friends, and it is of course possible to ask her for to go out dancing, etc. I know she like this. But remember, she is a hard working business woman, muito seria.

Sperto: I will bring Toblerone to Brasil this week, lets see what happen.

Balluba

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1102307]I was there the last time in late January 2010.

There are some girls coming to Fortaleza to do their tricks in high-season. Propably good business as there are lots of Italian tourists, and quite a few Dutch, Scandinavians and Swiss as well. [/QUOTE]From wherever there are direct flights from Europe is where these guys are from. Found chicks who logged time in belgium, netherlands and lots of italy. We can be thankful there's nothing nothing direct from Atlanta, Charlotte, Chicago and MLK blvd. May try Fortaleza again after carnival.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1102254]In Fortaleza I've met quite a few pro's from Natal, Teresina and São Luís.

The most stunning ladies in Fortaleza you'll meet at Mucuripe Club. Very few GP's at Mucuripe Club, but definitely worth a visit when you're tired of seeing girls with squared heads and no necks. The club has 4 pistas.

[url]http://www.mucuripe.com.br/[/url]

[/QUOTE]Forrò do sitio too is a very good place to monger. Sometimes you can find gdp on day off.

24th December will be avioes do forrò. I suppose it will be packed of girls and of course will be there

[b]zipi bar. [/b]

[quote=jd garbanzo;1101861]it's the "early" place. many of the girls go there around 11 or 11:30. there may be a r$10 entry fee, which includes two drinks. this lasts no later than 1am, but twice i found a girl here, went home for an early session, then went on to the main scene. some of the better ones are looking exactly for that situation. get a program early at zipi, then one later at one of the other bars. [/quote]jd garbanzo comments hold true as of december 2010.

i still find zipi bar to be lots of fun and enjoy the relaxed atmosphere, more so than some of the other clubs, if i'm simply looking to chill and admire the garotas. great staff (who are available for pick-ups) and the new neon improvements, make the club even more exciting. note: i only received 1-drink with my r$10 entrada fee and found some days the entrada is free or if you arrive real late at night (1am). about 30+ girls every day during the peek of the night.

some nights i would just stand outside (with a beer from the street vendors) and watch the action come and go at zipi's. for me this was a lot of fun, since there was also some very very nice sws, just outside the gas station, by the parked cars across the street. primarily a group of about 3 or 4 blonde gdps (which imho were 7. 5s & 8s) , dressed in a daisy duke like fashion. tight cut-off jeans, tits hanging out in a tight fitting shit of some kind. you get the idea. many of their clients seem to be the young brasileiros with cars, whom they seem to know on some sort of social level. anyway, wasn't sure what to make of it, but i found this quite entertaining to watch.

[b]miami bar. [/b] still closed. not sure if it's for good, or just in a holding pattern waiting for new owners.

[b]europa bar. [/b] also still closed. also not sure if it's for good, or just in a holding pattern waiting for new owners.

[b]cafe de mar[/b]. (r$10 min. consumption). cannot report on this club, as i did not go into the club, as it seemed pointless to spend money there, when most all the girls end up at forro mambo anyway after about 1pm.

[b]forro mambo. [/b]

[quote=jd garbanzo;1101861 sept-10-2010] forro mambo and café del mar (across from each other) both have a system where they give you a card when you enter and any drinks that you order get put on this card, which then has to be paid before you exit. sometimes there is a fee for entering and sometimes it was free. just need to look at the card to see if on that particular night there is an entrance fee. i can’t really provide any consistency inter terms of pricing of drinks and i can’t help but think that the bill gets padded. the girls can enter free, but some from café del mar won’t go into (or are banned) from forro mambo. girls again want 150br, but may settle for less later on in the night.[/quote]jd garbanzo comments hold true as of december 2010.

i paid r$15 entrada, beer r$8-10 +10% service tax added upon the start of consumption. most of the gdp action ends up here from about 12am-5am. the quality of girls seems fairly good, almost as good as previous years, with enough semi-pros to make it interesting. but for me the real gfe semi-pros are hard to find, as with previous years. i found that the most of the girls to be take a very professional attitude instead of a playful attitude, which inevitably turns me off. most girls wanted r$150 for tln (which really is about 2 or 3hrs until about 7pm or 8pm, longer or shorter depending on when you get out of mambo, which was about 3-5am most times) , but some will come down to r$100, with $20-10 for taxi.

[b]heineken bar / black & white bar, reggae bar and others. [/b] for those who like the slightly quieter venues, some of the other bars in the immediate area, offer food, drinks and games (like pool, darts) to enjoy the evening. they also have a good number of gdp girls hanging out in these venues.

in the early morning, if the girls (or hobbyists) have not scored at forro mambos by closing (5am) , they will typically congregate at the reggae bar (which closes about 6am-7am) or the late night lanchonette (just above the reggae bar) , as a last ditch effort score a client, before taking the bus home or to work in the morning.

[b]armazem [/b] wednesday night is the spot for armazem ('warehouse') , with a r$20 entrada and beer r$7. with a decent mix of non-pros, semi-pros and pros, it probably houses at least some 400+ women every wednesday. although my guess is only about 10-15% of women are non-pros. armazem, has a huge forro dance floor in the centre of the club and most of the people in the club will occupy this space during the night, as compared to the two (2) smaller disco dance floors on either side of the main forro dance floor. so as always in the northeast, it is helpful (but not mandatory) , if you can dance a little forro, for scoring brownie points with the girls. again most of the girls were asking r$150 (tln, but in reality was maybe 2-3hrs, by the time you left armazem).

[b]atlantis / coco beach. [/b] took a couple of trips to the beach area close to atlantis and coco beach to check for daytime action and was very disappointed as i saw none, that i could tell. there were perhaps one or two girls that were perhaps gdps, but as i watched for several minutes, they remained low-keyed and i could not with a good degree of certainty determine if they were gdps. so as reported with the regards to the crackdown of gdps at the praira do futuro beach area, i would concluded that it is still in effect.

[b]sw (street walkers) [/b] sws, numbers were less than in previous years along av. ambolico down to zipi bar / the gas station. most can be found at the barracas on beira mar and especially near mcdonalds on beira mar, on most evenings from around 7-8pm until 12-1am. the asking price with range from r$80-100 for 1hr.

warning: on several occasions, on av. ambolico (close to / near the habib's restaurant) , i ran into some very cute sws with very nice tight bodies and cute looks. since they looked a little on the young side (and dress a little on the sparse side) , the first question out of my mouth was 'quantos anos você tem? ' (how old are you?) as it turns out, unfortunately, they were ****. i wished them good luck and a good night and continued my stroll to iracema. so once again always ask for their age and ids to verify and confirm.

in the centro area, the sws are no longer found in the parks and are now (it seems) only located in the square (the praca with the big merchado, in front of the teatro jose de alencar on rua general sampaio). however, all i found here, were the worst of the worst. most are of gdps are 2s and 3s with the odd 5s. the asking price with range from r$20-30 for 1hr. nearby motels are r$6-7 for 1hr.

the only other option were some of the small drinking bars, spread throughout the centro area, but the gdps in these bars weren't any better. as with other cities this trip (manaus, belem, rio) , there seem to be a big lack of sws. i guess the prefeituras are cleaning house. with the exception being the sws transvestites, which i found to be growing in numbers.

[b]new centro boite. [/b] there is a new boite in centro, located across from the park (praca dos martires, on rue dr. joao moreira, the one with the beautiful, huge old tree) near the army barracks. free entrada (just pay for want you consume, although the doorman may tell you r$10 min. consumption, if he thinks you're a gringo). beer r$3-4, smirnof r$5-7. about 10-15 girls, that are mainly 5s. 6s with the odd 7s. programa r$50-70 / hr (although some girls will quote you r$50/70 for ½ hr). small in size, but decent enough bar, to spend an hour or so enjoying a beer. but it gets very busy (around 5pm-9pm) with the after work crowds as the guys get off work. but this can also be very entertaining as well, since many of the working brasileiros go absolutely wild with the strip shows, when the stripper (naked) goes into the crowd to pick a guy for a free hands-on / mouth-on table dance.

[b]hotels / flats. [/b]

•data man hotel, rua dom manoel • iracema (r$45 / day, w / cafe de manhã), tel: (85) 3219. 0833. yes gf!

•hotel aquarius, av. monsenhor tabosa. 1078 (r$75/day or r$65 if you pay cash, w/cafe de manhã), tel: (85) 3089. 8800. yes gf (+r$20 if she stays overnight, with single occupancy).

•flatshop, av. monsenhor tabosa. 1001 • iracema. quoted r$110 / day, 2-bedrooms, cable tv, internet all include.
website:[url]http://www.flatshop.com.br/2008/site/pt-br/index.php.[/url]

[b]summary. [/b]

it has been a few years since i was in fortaleza and overall i found it too still be a great place for hobbyists. yes many things have changed, many things have become expense and the quantity and quality of gdps has dropped, compared to past years. but again, enough cute girls to satisfy some of you hungry sharks.

so i spent about 9 days in early december 2010 and sessioned only 5 times (maybe i'm just getting old). two (2) from forro mambo, two (2) sws and one (1) from a beira mar barraca. it would have been nice to session with a few more girls from forro mambo, but the cost to pull a gdp out of there just becomes outrageous when you consider, r$15-entrada, r$50-drinks / serv. tax (avg. a couple of drinks for you and a couple of drinks for the girls) , r$10-15-taxi-to-hotel, r$100-150-gdp, r$10-20-taxi. total is r$185 (on the low-end) to r$250 (on the high-end). with that kinda price tag, rio (with all its flaws) looks pretty good.

now i know one of the big appeals to fortaleza is the non-pro / semi-pro action. non-pro action while appealing to me, seems (imo) to require too much time and effort to implement on a short stay and there's never any guarantees you'll end up sleeping with her. i've had some success in the past with non-pros, but invariably turned out to be a more of headache and a costly one in most cases. so i tend to mostly stick with the semi-pros. and due to the lack of them, fortaleza was somewhat disappointing this trip.

so with prices creeping steadily upwards, the lack of semi-pro gdps (imo) and sws, the absence of daytime beach gdps, anti-sexual tourism campaign (although i personally did not experience or see any altercations this trip, their presence was felt) and the long traveling distance for me, will make it a tough decision when deciding to come back again, when i compare it to the cost of hobbying in rio. but it still remains a good mongering / vacation destination alternative to rio.

[QUOTE=Spidy;1104963][...It has been a few years since I was in Fortaleza and overall I found it too still be a great place for hobbyists. Yes many things have changed, many things have become expense and the quantity and quality of GDPs has dropped, compared to past years. But again, enough cute girls to satisfy some of you hungry sharks.[/QUOTE]Thank you for an excellent report. Very complete guide. Croco Beach on Thursdays is quite good as well.

The New Centro Boite was news to me, it sounds like fun.

i'll be in fortaleza with 2 mates for the very first time in brazil on 29th dec, on to rio 4th jan.

we don't speak portuguese, but hey ho let's see what happens.

[quote=spidy; 1104963][b]zipi bar. [/b]

jd garbanzo comments hold true as of december 2010.

i still find zipi bar to be lots of fun and enjoy the relaxed atmosphere, more so than some of the other clubs, if i'm simply looking to chill and admire the garotas. great staff (who are available for pick-ups) and the new neon improvements, make the club even more exciting. note: i only received 1-drink with my r$10 entrada fee and found some days the entrada is free or if you arrive real late at night (1am). about 30+ girls every day during the peek of the night.

some nights i would just stand outside (with a beer from the street vendors) and watch the action come and go at zipi's. for me this was a lot of fun, since there was also some very very nice sws, just outside the gas station, by the parked cars across the street. primarily a group of about 3 or 4 blonde gdps (which imho were 7. 5s & 8s) , dressed in a daisy duke like fashion. tight cut-off jeans, tits hanging out in a tight fitting shit of some kind. you get the idea. many of their clients seem to be the young brasileiros with cars, whom they seem to know on some sort of social level. anyway, wasn't sure what to make of it, but i found this quite entertaining to watch.

[b]miami bar. [/b] still closed. not sure if it's for good, or just in a holding pattern waiting for new owners.

[b]europa bar. [/b] also still closed. also not sure if it's for good, or just in a holding pattern waiting for new owners.

[b]cafe de mar[/b]. (r$10 min. consumption). cannot report on this club, as i did not go into the club, as it seemed pointless to spend money there, when most all the girls end up at forro mambo anyway after about 1pm.

[b]forro mambo. [/b]

jd garbanzo comments hold true as of december 2010.

i paid r$15 entrada, beer r$8-10 +10% service tax added upon the start of consumption. most of the gdp action ends up here from about 12am-5am. the quality of girls seems fairly good, almost as good as previous years, with enough semi-pros to make it interesting. but for me the real gfe semi-pros are hard to find, as with previous years. i found that the most of the girls to be take a very professional attitude instead of a playful attitude, which inevitably turns me off. most girls wanted r$150 for tln (which really is about 2 or 3hrs until about 7pm or 8pm, longer or shorter depending on when you get out of mambo, which was about 3-5am most times) , but some will come down to r$100, with $20-10 for taxi.

[b]heineken bar / black & white bar, reggae bar and others. [/b] for those who like the slightly quieter venues, some of the other bars in the immediate area, offer food, drinks and games (like pool, darts) to enjoy the evening. they also have a good number of gdp girls hanging out in these venues.

in the early morning, if the girls (or hobbyists) have not scored at forro mambos by closing (5am) , they will typically congregate at the reggae bar (which closes about 6am-7am) or the late night lanchonette (just above the reggae bar) , as a last ditch effort score a client, before taking the bus home or to work in the morning.

[b]armazem [/b] wednesday night is the spot for armazem ('warehouse') , with a r$20 entrada and beer r$7. with a decent mix of non-pros, semi-pros and pros, it probably houses at least some 400+ women every wednesday. although my guess is only about 10-15% of women are non-pros. armazem, has a huge forro dance floor in the centre of the club and most of the people in the club will occupy this space during the night, as compared to the two (2) smaller disco dance floors on either side of the main forro dance floor. so as always in the northeast, it is helpful (but not mandatory) , if you can dance a little forro, for scoring brownie points with the girls. again most of the girls were asking r$150 (tln, but in reality was maybe 2-3hrs, by the time you left armazem).

[b]atlantis / coco beach. [/b] took a couple of trips to the beach area close to atlantis and coco beach to check for daytime action and was very disappointed as i saw none, that i could tell. there were perhaps one or two girls that were perhaps gdps, but as i watched for several minutes, they remained low-keyed and i could not with a good degree of certainty determine if they were gdps. so as reported with the regards to the crackdown of gdps at the praira do futuro beach area, i would concluded that it is still in effect.

[b]sw (street walkers) [/b] sws, numbers were less than in previous years along av. ambolico down to zipi bar / the gas station. most can be found at the barracas on beira mar and especially near mcdonalds on beira mar, on most evenings from around 7-8pm until 12-1am. the asking price with range from r$80-100 for 1hr.

warning: on several occasions, on av. ambolico (close to / near the habib's restaurant) , i ran into some very cute sws with very nice tight bodies and cute looks. since they looked a little on the young side (and dress a little on the sparse side) , the first question out of my mouth was 'quantos anos você tem? ' (how old are you?) as it turns out, unfortunately, they were ****. i wished them good luck and a good night and continued my stroll to iracema. so once again always ask for their age and ids to verify and confirm.

in the centro area, the sws are no longer found in the parks and are now (it seems) only located in the square (the praca with the big merchado, in front of the teatro jose de alencar on rua general sampaio). however, all i found here, were the worst of the worst. most are of gdps are 2s and 3s with the odd 5s. the asking price with range from r$20-30 for 1hr. nearby motels are r$6-7 for 1hr.

the only other option were some of the small drinking bars, spread throughout the centro area, but the gdps in these bars weren't any better. as with other cities this trip (manaus, belem, rio) , there seem to be a big lack of sws. i guess the prefeituras are cleaning house. with the exception being the sws transvestites, which i found to be growing in numbers.

[b]new centro boite. [/b] there is a new boite in centro, located across from the park (praca dos martires, on rue dr. joao moreira, the one with the beautiful, huge old tree) near the army barracks. free entrada (just pay for want you consume, although the doorman may tell you r$10 min. consumption, if he thinks you're a gringo). beer r$3-4, smirnof r$5-7. about 10-15 girls, that are mainly 5s. 6s with the odd 7s. programa r$50-70 / hr (although some girls will quote you r$50/70 for ½ hr). small in size, but decent enough bar, to spend an hour or so enjoying a beer. but it gets very busy (around 5pm-9pm) with the after work crowds as the guys get off work. but this can also be very entertaining as well, since many of the working brasileiros go absolutely wild with the strip shows, when the stripper (naked) goes into the crowd to pick a guy for a free hands-on / mouth-on table dance.

[b]hotels / flats. [/b]

•data man hotel, rua dom manoel • iracema (r$45 / day, w / cafe de manhã) , tel: (85) 3219. 0833. yes gf!

•hotel aquarius, av. monsenhor tabosa. 1078 (r$75 / day or r$65 if you pay cash, w / cafe de manhã) , tel: (85) 3089. 8800. yes gf (+r$20 if she stays overnight, with single occupancy).

•flatshop, av. monsenhor tabosa. 1001 • iracema. quoted r$110 / day. 2-bedrooms, cable tv, internet all include.

website:

[url]http://www.flatshop.com.br/2008/site/pt-br/index.php.[/url]

[b]summary. [/b]

it has been a few years since i was in fortaleza and overall i found it too still be a great place for hobbyists. yes many things have changed, many things have become expense and the quantity and quality of gdps has dropped, compared to past years. but again, enough cute girls to satisfy some of you hungry sharks.

so i spent about 9 days in early december 2010 and sessioned only 5 times (maybe i'm just getting old). two (2) from forro mambo, two (2) sws and one (1) from a beira mar barraca. it would have been nice to session with a few more girls from forro mambo, but the cost to pull a gdp out of there just becomes outrageous when you consider, r$15-entrada, r$50-drinks / serv. tax (avg. a couple of drinks for you and a couple of drinks for the girls) , r$10-15-taxi-to-hotel, r$100-150-gdp, r$10-20-taxi. total is r$185 (on the low-end) to r$250 (on the high-end). with that kinda price tag, rio (with all its flaws) looks pretty good.

now i know one of the big appeals to fortaleza is the non-pro / semi-pro action. non-pro action while appealing to me, seems (imo) to require too much time and effort to implement on a short stay and there's never any guarantees you'll end up sleeping with her. i've had some success in the past with non-pros, but invariably turned out to be a more of headache and a costly one in most cases. so i tend to mostly stick with the semi-pros. and due to the lack of them, fortaleza was somewhat disappointing this trip.

so with prices creeping steadily upwards, the lack of semi-pro gdps (imo) and sws, the absence of daytime beach gdps, anti-sexual tourism campaign (although i personally did not experience or see any altercations this trip, their presence was felt) and the long traveling distance for me, will make it a tough decision when deciding to come back again, when i compare it to the cost of hobbying in rio. but it still remains a good mongering / vacation destination alternative to rio. [/quote]

please elaborate on this part:

with one pretty hot but very young-looking one who was sort of off by herself in the kitchen chain smoking. it was quite a scene.

[quote=jd garbanzo; 1097237]i was in fortaleza in august and met nomi, kept in contact, etc. now i'm back and she came to my place around noon the day after i arrived. she doesn't speak english, i speak very little portuguese (tho it's getting better) , but we get buy on spanish / portuguese. nomi says that she's trying to give up the life: hasn't been to mambo, zipi, etc for a month, got a new / better / higher-paying day job, etc. this girl loves cerveja, but says only after 4pm (something about not drinking "during the day" even though 4pm is still day, i think). other than food, drinks, shopping, etc, i'm not paying her for sex this time around.

after a quick tumble in the sack to reacquaint ourselves, we went to lunch and to unlock an iphone 3g i brought for her (. anyone coming to brasil and meeting up with a girl may want to bring an older generation iphone. this one cost me $100 in the us, but similar models cost $600usd here because of 100% import taxes. a new iphone 3gs that we saw in iguatemi in august cost $900usd! no way i was buying that, but the cheapy used iphone from the us made a great impression on her.)

last time, i made it only to iracema, beira mar, and praia futuro. centro is what you'd expect. lots of people, lots of hawkers, activity, etc. lunch in a self-serve (by weight) place. while waiting for the iphone unlocking work to be done, she rolls up my sleeve and talks about how she adores my tattoo. last time, she said she was going to get it. i ask if she wants to go get a version of it and she smiled wide and said "sim, sim, sim". off we go to a shopping area that was filled with tattoo and piercing places. we negotiated with one place. they wanted r100 which she said was too much. got to the place she got her last tattoo and they did it for r60. picture attached.

ok, so we shop around a bit more. the iphone unlocking took forever, like 3 hours. she looks at some makeup, we're a little bored, and she looks at her watch. magic time: 4pm and time to have some beers up in the little "food court" area. finally get the iphone and head to my apartment around 6pm. she says we can party in the apartment, but she doesn't want to go out. no mambo. cool by me. i had a 12-pack in the fridge and nomi tells me it's not going to be enough! we start drinking, listening to some music on the tv and youtube, smoking cigarettes. about 6 beers and and hour or so in she showers, we have another roll in the hay and a beer together and she says she wants to go out tonight after all, just not to the "puta-rias" (or something like that. her words, said with a laugh). she then lights up and says something about going to her friend's then to clubes "normal, normal, normal!"

so we head out and go to porto do iracema down the block, and apartment building very close the the action spots. she wryly asks me if i know the place, and i explain that my friend bijou from last time stayed here. she says that its where many of the girls have shared apartments so they can work easier, etc. we go up to one of these. it's like a 2 bedroom and there were literally 10 girls in there. some her friends, others she doesn't know. she disappears in the back talking to one of her friends (later, i found out they hadn't talked in weeks and she'd been trying to reach this girl without response, etc). some of the girls get me a beer and ask me to sit, and they all come around asking me questions (name, from, speak portuguese). girls would show up out of the back rooms, some with a pack of smokes to share, others just carrying their beer and smoking. most of the girls were 5-6s with one pretty hot but very young-looking one who was sort of off by herself in the kitchen chain smoking. it was quite a scene. we leave after 30 minutes or so. they asked for beer money for later. i gave r20 and they seemed happy.

off we go to a cab. at the time, i think we're going to some local club in centro. traffic is a nightmare and we finally get out and turn the corner into centro and it's a huge festival. festa natal. the entire square is wall to wall people, the buildings are filled with lights (angels, christmas trees, streaming lights of green and red and gold.) , the square is ringed by food carts with all kinds of different stuff. the coolest thing i saw there was right away as we walked in. one of the old brick buildings had like 6 stories, with the facing wall having 5 "windows" across. the side of the building was also partially visible and it had more like 10 "windows" across. turns out, these "windows" are open to the air and more like a balcony under an archway. in time to the music, each "window" was filled with people part of the show, dressed in red, swaying in time to the music. looked like something out of a dr. seuss book. surreal effect. i wish i would've brought my camera, but nomi had told me not to, and to wear only flip flops, store my watch in the safe, etc. i guess she was worried about "ladrones" because, again, the place was mobbed with people.

we force our way through, grab some beers from a corner guy. trying to give r2, i accidentally pull out r100 and they all laugh at the gringo. we're at this for 90 minutes or so, drinking probably 4 grande beers each in that time. she's got to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url], and we wait in a long line for the porta-potties. nomi's fairly drunk by now, and she burned some fellow partier with her cigarette while dancing samba to the christmas music, now she almost gets in a fight when some of the girls in front of her in line let a pregnant woman go in front. nomi then jumps to the front and goes in when the pregnant woman comes out. luckily, though they pounded the door some, the other girls let it go.

next, some food from one of the stands, but nomi spots a guy bringing around tequila shots and orders us 3. one each, one to share. didn't need that. cuervo regular. ugh. at least he had salt and lime. while we're eating shish kabobs and fries and, of course, drinking more beer, nomi is chatting away with a couple about tattoos and whatever else and she gets some food down the wrong pipe. ugly scene of choking, coughing, me thinking i need to try the heimlich on her (never done it) , running eye-makeup, tears, mucous, the whole 9 yards. a good minute of this. finally, she clears it and gets help cleaning up from me and the people she was talking with. the festival is ending, too (it's about 10:30 i think) , and it's definitely time to head out. taxi's were impossible. we tried for 15 minutes and nomi comes up with the "brilliant" idea of getting two moto-cabs (basically you ride on the back of a motorcycle with the driver). she tells them r5 each. oh shit. i'm a big guy. 250lbs. the drivers each tell me to go to the other one. of course they want nomi as a passenger not me. the unlucky loser finally tells me to get on, and off we go! shit, shit, shit, these guys are whizzing in and out of traffic at pretty high speeds, we're bottoming out as we go over crests and bumps because of the weight. wow. absolutely nuts. maybe only 5 minutes, but i never want to do that again.

we stop early. where are we? right by mambo and cafe del mar. i screw up again with only r100 to pay the moto guys so nomi goes to get change while the guys shake their heads at me. we settle, and nomi, pretty wasted now, starts walking us towards forro mambo. i ask her "didn't you not want to go here?" she says no problem, just drink and dance. problem is, it's only about 11pm and it's not open yet. so, we go off to zipi. it's only 11, but it was packed already. most tables were taken, but there was one near the stripper pole and mirrors, which i grabbed. tons of hot girls there. hope to get a chance to sample on another night. nomi spends a long time in the bathroom (she was still just in her shorts and tee shirt from being together all day. she didn't bring a bag) because her hair and makeup was in bad shape from the choking incident. i order beer from the same waitress as in august, we chat a bit. i see lots of familiar faces, and i'm hoping diana, another girl i kept in touch with but whom i didn't tell i was coming, doesn't show up. i did see julia, a little spinner from last time, but we haven't kept in touch, so it was just a nice hello, how are you. nomi comes out and she's in the mood for dancing. and making out. and pole dancing. and biting my neck and face. and tonguing me / making out a ton more. for any of you there last night, i apologize for the way-too-much pda. man, i thought she was going to do me right there in front of the mirrors at the back of zipi bar. every chance i get, i'm telling her, let's go home and make love because by now it was best to get out of public. we finish our beers and, thankfully, grab a cab and are whisked back to my apartment around 12:30.

first thing, cold shower. then hot sex for an hour. awesome, uninhibited, animal sex with all the noise and mess associated with such. it was intense! next, beer! damn, this girl can't stop drinking beer. and smoking. two packs between us throughout the night (she doesn't smoke until after dark. about 5:30pm. another funny time-based rule for nomi). i don't even smoke at home. feeling it now. soon enough, nomi wants to go out and grab some food. says it'll be quick. we walk all the way back (10 minute walk) to one of the little restaurants outside forro mambo. normal night-time scene out there: girls everywhere in and out of mambo and cafe de mar, homeless guys asking change, vendors with trinkets, etc. she orders us beer (of course) and two big bob sandwiches (like a burger with ham and egg and cheese. perfect order, actually, for all the drinking we'd done). we're watching ufc and she's hopping off to talk to a girl here or there that she knows. i notice diana sitting at a table behind me. i'm sure she saw me, but hoping not. ok, done and walking back, passing the transvestite and / or transsexuals along the way back, including a scene with some local guy, the police, and a transsexual arguing about something. he probably found something in "her" pants he didn't expect.

home at last. bed time. not so fast. nomi wants to drink more beer. i tell her to go for it, but i'm going to shower and bed. she pouts a little but is fine. she's watching musica tv and drinking / smoking and i drift off. not sure how much later, i wake up to nomi climbing on top of me whispering "eu quente. eu te quero, agora!" shit. not because she wants me, but i'm out of condoms, and she doesn't have any either. we're playing and moaning, but i'm trying to cool it off. she keeps whispering / moaning "eu quente" and she's on top and she slips it in. i tell her we can't, she says "eu quente" so i go with it, but pull out in plenty of time and unload. ok. done. what a day / night. this morning, she had a bad hangover, didn't remember getting food or our last little quente session together.

she left a couple hours ago, but said she'll be back at 9pm tonight. i may have a hard time slipping this one and checking out the scene a bit more, at least until after her birthday (which is monday). she has to go back to work tuesday, but i'm sure the garota gossip network will have my ass in hand for her when i get with another girl next week. assim é a vida. [/quote]

[QUOTE=Gavilan; 1106592]Please elaborate on this part:

With one pretty hot but very young-looking one who was sort of off by herself in the kitchen chain smoking. It was quite a scene. [/QUOTE]Of course that part interested you.

I hope Jackson kick your ass.

[QUOTE=Gavilan;1105729]Sounds like what I need. 15-18 whyear old where can they be found?[/QUOTE]

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I had a question about this place, because several people mentioned it has a lot of programa girls on Wednesday nites. I went there twice on Wednesday nites, the first time in 2008, and the second time this past November.

Usually programa girls make eye contact or smile, or do something to let you know. This is true at Mambo, Zipi club and other places that have programa girls. I did not see this the two times I went to Armazem. So my impression was that the programa girls that were at Armazem the two Wednesdays I was there, were taking the nite off and just going to Armazem for fun and dancing, not to work. But other posters have said they really were working. If so, why the lack of eye contact or smile? Why were they not acting like programa girls that were working? I am not trying to deny what other posters have written. They may be right. I am just curious as to why the GDPs were acting different at Armazem than at other places. If they were working, shouldn't they let you know?

It's just a more casual scene. I was there once without my girl and approached / talked to several girls. All seemed to be at least semi-pro except one, who was clearly turned off by my conversation. I then went there twice with my girl (Nomi) , and, while she wasn't working because she was with me, she has worked there and greeted lots of her GDP friends there. I also recognized quite a few from Mambo, etc. Maybe because there's more of a mix of non-pros, the pro girls are less aggressive, too? Dunno, but they are there.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1107639]I had a question about this place, because several people mentioned it has a lot of programa girls on Wednesday nites. I went there twice on Wednesday nites, the first time in 2008, and the second time this past November.

Usually programa girls make eye contact or smile, or do something to let you know. This is true at Mambo, Zipi club and other places that have programa girls. I did not see this the two times I went to Armazem. So my impression was that the programa girls that were at Armazem the two Wednesdays I was there, were taking the nite off and just going to Armazem for fun and dancing, not to work. But other posters have said they really were working. If so, why the lack of eye contact or smile? Why were they not acting like programa girls that were working? I am not trying to deny what other posters have written. They may be right. I am just curious as to why the GDPs were acting different at Armazem than at other places. If they were working, shouldn't they let you know? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gavilan; 1106592]Please elaborate on this part:

With one pretty hot but very young-looking one who was sort of off by herself in the kitchen chain smoking. It was quite a scene. [/QUOTE]Nothing to elaborate on. It was just an observation that the young-looking girl wasn't interacting much with the rest. She may or may not have been of age, but I wasn't interested in finding out.

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo;1107694]It's just a more casual scene. I was there once without my girl and approached / talked to several girls. All seemed to be at least semi-pro except one, who was clearly turned off by my conversation. I then went there twice with my girl (Nomi) , and, while she wasn't working because she was with me, she has worked there and greeted lots of her GDP friends there. I also recognized quite a few from Mambo, etc. Maybe because there's more of a mix of non-pros, the pro girls are less aggressive, too? Dunno, but they are there.[/QUOTE]I was not trying to say that many programa girls were not there. I'm sure they were. So I am not surprised your girl recognized many GDPs there. My question is were they working that nite, or just going there to dance or whatever. (It is unlikely that every GDP there was working that night. Every person needs a nite off). I was only there twice, but I didn't get the smiles or eye contact that I got with the GDPs at other places like Mambo or Zipi, where they let you know.

Also, it is so loud in Armazem that it would be hard to pick them up even if they knew English. Much harder in Portuguese. They should give some signs if they are working. That would make it easier. We might try to pick up one who is not a GDP, but you think she is, since it is hard to tell which is which in Armazem, unless you live in Fortaleza, and already know them from other bars. Unlike places like Zipi, Cafe del Mar and Mambo, where you already know they are ALL GDPs. At Armazem you may be talking to a non-pro, and ask her how much, and you may get slapped! The combination of the loud music, the mix of working pros and non-pros, and also some pros who are not working that night, and the Portuguese language, make it very difficult to know who to approach. Much easier to know who to approach if they smiled or made eye contact as in other places. Not sure, but maybe it would be easier for someone who spoke good Portuguese. You are entitled to your opinion, but I personally found it to be a difficult place to meet GDPs. If I return in the future, I would only go to Armazem if I had a date.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1107779]I was not trying to say that many programa girls were not there. I'm sure they were. So I am not surprised your girl recognized many GDPs there. My question is were they working that nite, or just going there to dance or whatever. (It is unlikely that every GDP there was working that night. Every person needs a nite off). I was only there twice, but I didn't get the smiles or eye contact that I got with the GDPs at other places like Mambo or Zipi, where they let you know.

Also, it is so loud in Armazem that it would be hard to pick them up even if they knew English. Much harder in Portuguese. They should give some signs if they are working. That would make it easier. We might try to pick up one who is not a GDP, but you think she is, since it is hard to tell which is which in Armazem, unless you live in Fortaleza, and already know them from other bars. Unlike places like Zipi, Cafe del Mar and Mambo, where you already know they are ALL GDPs. At Armazem you may be talking to a non-pro, and ask her how much, and you may get slapped! The combination of the loud music, the mix of working pros and non-pros, and also some pros who are not working that night, and the Portuguese language, make it very difficult to know who to approach. Much easier to know who to approach if they smiled or made eye contact as in other places. Not sure, but maybe it would be easier for someone who spoke good Portuguese. You are entitled to your opinion, but I personally found it to be a difficult place to meet GDPs. If I return in the future, I would only go to Armazem if I had a date. [/QUOTE]Ok, I thought you had a question, but it looks like you know the answer already. You don't like Armazem as a place to find GDPs, which is fine. To be clear, I picked up GDPs there when I was not with my girl and my girls' friends were indeed working when they were there. As I said, it's a different vibe and may take a different approach.

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo;1108574]Ok, I thought you had a question, but it looks like you know the answer already. You don't like Armazem as a place to find GDPs, which is fine. To be clear, I picked up GDPs there when I was not with my girl and my girls' friends were indeed working when they were there. As I said, it's a different vibe and may take a different approach.[/QUOTE]

No, I was sincerely curious about what other guys were actually doing to meet GDPs there, and how they avoid propositioning non-pros, and how they knew who to approach, (if we don't know which ones are GDPs). No one has explained it. By that I mean "a different approach" was not explained. The scene there seemed difficult, since GDPs at Armazem are not as forward as in places like Mambo club, and it is hard to tell the pros from non-pros. Especially difficult picking them up in Portuguese while the music is blasting. That is why I wrote this thread, just out of curiosity to find out what others were doing to meet GDPs there, and not to express dislike of Armazem. This is my final post on this thread about Armazem.

We're just about to leave here and head to Rio, but it was a lot of fun.

I'll give a brief run down of things from a newbie's point of view and hopefully other newbie's will be able to take something from it.

First night we headed to Zipi's and bearing in mind I haven't experienced anything like this as yet, it took us 20 mins or so to feel comfortable with how it all works.

I think Zipi's was all our personal favourite because it was more fun, whereas Forra Mambo seemed very business like with some clearly hardened girls in there. The girls in Zipi's are definitely more of a GFE type that will have no problem snogging your face off in the bar or back at the motel, indeed one of them had her tongue down my throat at the bar, a little petite but very lively girl called Daniella (25) who spoke good english. We agreed on 150 from an opening offer of 200, probably still a bit high but we didn't care as my mate pulled some other bird for the same price. Half UAE, half Brazilian. Gorgeous but a bit shy, with not much english. Back to the Village motel and quite shocked at just how secure and cool these motels are.

For any newbie wary of them, you go there in a cab, a big metal gate opens and closes straight after you and then you pay and get your key. In to the room where there's a nice big bed, mini bar, tv, music, air con. It's a god damn palace, we even had a jacuzzi on our 2nd visit. Dropped the girls back at Zipi's and went to bed with a smile.

Mambo's was very much a "sausage fest" as we say in England. Probably the time of the year and probably more hardened girls there this time of the year. However, it's a great bar with 3 floors and a roof terrace where you can check out all the action on the street below, which at times is hilarious.

Cafe Del Mar was dead as a dodo in my opinion. It also seemed to attract much younger girls, but it definitely seems to be struggling and Mambo's is absolutely hopping.

Like I say my favourite was Zipi's. Walk through the entrance, turn left and our spot was at the bar with the sofas just behind.

It's opened my eyes quite a bit to just how different these girls are, yeah they want money but they are genuinely friendly too, you just have to have the balls to approach them and you're good to go. Quite a few girls in Zipi's spoke some kind of English while we were there.

On last thing, JD mentioned the centro strip bar and nothing against him at all, but we got there at around 8 last night and the area seemed very dodgy. Even the taxi driver said "it's dangerous here" so we jogged on to Iracema and Zippi's again for a goodbye drink but no girls, as we're saving some cash for Rio now.

Many thanks to all who posted info, you made our trip exceptionally easy.

[QUOTE=Gringo147;1108991]Mambo's was very much a "sausage fest" as we say in England. [/QUOTE]Just realised I didn't explain that. It means there were too many guys. No exaggeration to say on NYE there must have been 4 guys to 1 woman. We just got the hell out.

I spent the afternoon checking out the afternoon action in centro.

The boite Spídy mentioned, Espaço Show, is worth a visit. Praça dos Martires. The action starts around 3 PM. No entrance fee and no minimum consumption (even though the fat guy at the door says it's R$10). The place is low-end. A dozen girls. Maybe one or two might be doable, but the majority are just 3's and 4's. Programa is R$50/hour and R$10/motel room. The striptease is quite entertaining. The girls choose a couple of guys that gets the chance of doing some touching and licking.

Streetwalkers.

There are quite a few SWs working around Praça dos Martires. None is doable. Old, ugly, fat or drugaddicts.

On the market-square on Rua General Sampaio there were a couple of SW's. All ugly except one that actually was really cute. She wanted R$20/1 hour. The problem was that she insisted on doing the programa in the toilet in the church. No thanks.

The are some SW's working in and outside the porno cinemas in centro. None doable. I didn't enter any cinema so I can't tell about the quality inside.

Other SW's. There are some streets further away from centro that have lots of SW's working in the evening. I didn't try any GP.

[QUOTE=MrGeneral;1109843]But woundered if some of you guys that lives there had a name and number for a girl to me.[/QUOTE]Is it so bad?

Sounds like you're in Saudi Arabia.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1117359]I spent the afternoon checking out the afternoon action in centro.

The boite Spídy mentioned, Espaço Show, is worth a visit. Praça dos Martires. The action starts around 3 PM. No entrance fee and no minimum consumption (even though the fat guy at the door says it's R$10). The place is low-end. A dozen girls. Maybe one or two might be doable, but the majority are just 3's and 4's. Programa is R$50 / hour and R$10 / motel room. The striptease is quite entertaining. The girls choose a couple of guys that gets the chance of doing some touching and licking.

Streetwalkers.

There are quite a few SWs working around Praça dos Martires. None is doable. Old, ugly, fat or drugaddicts.

On the market-square on Rua General Sampaio there were a couple of SW's. All ugly except one that actually was really cute. She wanted R$20/1 hour. The problem was that she insisted on doing the programa in the toilet in the church. No thanks.

The are some SW's working in and outside the porno cinemas in centro. None doable. I didn't enter any cinema so I can't tell about the quality inside.

Other SW's. There are some streets further away from centro that have lots of SW's working in the evening. I didn't try any GP. [/QUOTE]Can you tell me where in certo the porn cinemas are?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Dwilso39; 1117481]Can you tell me where in certo the porn cinemas are?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Just walk the side-streets from the catedral up to the square with the Teatro and you'll stumble on a few of them. I have no interest in those cinemas so I didn't make any notes. If you want the addresses you maybe can find them in Gpguia?

A little update on the situation in Fortaleza.

GENERAL:
* It´s very hot. In January it has been raining more than usual.
* There are lots of brazilian tourists in Fortaleza. Among the gringos the italianos are in big majority.
* Apartment prices goes from more or less R$70 for a nice apartment in good location.

PRO-SCENE, NIGHT-TIME:
* PRICES: Many girls ask for R$100-150. Some gold-diggers might even ask for R$200. Negotiate and don´t pay more than maximum R$100. If it´s a short-time go for R$70.
* "Ho-crossing", discotecas: Cafe del Mar and Forro & Mambo. I find visiting Cafe del Mar to be unnecessary as most girls end up in Forro & Mambo later on. F & M, no entrance fee, but R$15 minimum consumption. F & M is a fun place with lots of girls. Very mixed quality, everything from the stunners to the fuglies.
(Note: I noticed that many gringos, specially the italians, are eager to impress the girls buying overpriced roses and junk from the street vendors. OK, but why buying beer for the girls in F & M? F & M gives free beer to the girls until 2 AM. Throwing away money...)
* "Ho-crossing", bars: The Reggae Bar, Party house, Kaipiras and a few other bars. The Reggaebar is one of my favourites. From here you have a total control of all the girls that arrives in the ho-crossing. Another plus is the beer price, R$5 for a 600 ml beer (even Bohemia) instead of paying ~R$9 for a longneck at the other places.
* "Ho-crossing", nearby: Zipi Bar. Zipi Bar starts earlier than the other places. R$10 entrande that includes a beer or a drink. Zipi is easygoing and relaxed. A nice staff with some nice women working behind the bar. The girls come her as a first stop. Propably the best place in Iracema to get a good deal for a session. However, some of the stunners don´t pass by Zipi, they go directly to F & M.
* Armazem: Wednesdays is the ho-night. The usual GP´s from Iracema and "once-a-week-pro's". Nice place with a feeling of being in a "normal place". Just don´t fool yourself, almost all the girls are pro´s.
* Crocobeach: Thursday evening is the party evening. Lots of people partying. Many GP´s and usually easy to find a non-pro. It has gone downhill a little bit.

PRO-SCENE, DAY-TIME, CENTRO:
* Praça dos Martires: Maybe a dozen women hanging out. None is doable. Old, ugly, fat or drugaddicts.
* The market-square on Rua General Sampaio. Search and you´ll find pro´s. Very low quality.
* Espaço Show: Praça dos Martires. The action starts around 3 PM. No entrance fee and no minimum consumption (even though the fat guy at the door says it's R$10). The place is low-end. A dozen girls. Maybe one or two might be doable, but the majority are just 3's and 4's. Programa is R$50/hour and R$10/motel room. The striptease is quite entertaining. The girls choose a couple of guys that gets the chance of doing some touching and licking.
* Sensual Show: Rua Floriano Peixoto 1326. A daytime privé. When I visted there where 8 girls working. All of them where busy stuffing rice and faroffa into their mouths using their fingers, not very appealing. I didn´t see any tempting girls at all. R$60/30 minutes or R$70/1 hour.

PRO-SCENE, BEACH:
* The days are gone when you could meet a lot of nice GP´s at Croco Beach during day-time. There are very few GP´s hanging out.
* Beira-Mar: The beach and the barracas in front of McDonalds. Always a bunch of GP´s hanging around. Very mixed quality. Lots of just barely doable girls and a few gems if you´re lucky.

PRO-SCENE, OTHER:
* I have no desire spending a lot of money on Iracema-GP´s. Specially not competing with italians that seems to pay whatever the girls ask for. The last week I picked three GP´s in Beira-Mar during the afternoons. On the beach and on the sidewalk-area. Girls that normally works at Forró & Mambo. Chat them up, get a good chemistry and give them their offer. I payed them R$20, R$30 and R$40 for 2-pops-sessions. i know that might sound awfully little, but they all left happy.

NON-PRO-SCENE:
* Fortaleza has a good night-life.
I strongly recommend Mucuripe Club on Fridays. Huge place, 4 pistas and lots of people. Mostly white middle- and upperclass girls. Lots of welldressed beautiful women. About 80% of the women are doable.
Entrance R$ 30. Beer R$ 4,5-5.
[url]http://www.mucuripe.com.br/[/url]
* Dragao do Mar: A couple of nice bars with ideal to meet non-pro´s.
* If you give Fortaleza a chance you´ll notice that it´s easy to hook up with non-pro´s. Girls with much higher standard than the GP´s.
* Where to meet the non-pro´s: You´ll meet them in centro, buses, markets, on the beach or when strolling in Iracema or Beira Mar. Local girls or tourist girls from Rio, Sao Paulo, Brasilia or BH.

FINAL NOTES:
* In Fortaleza you´ll meet a lot of stunning women, but be prepared for the opposite as well. There are lots of unattractive women as well. Short, chubby, big-bellied women with round or very squared heads glued directly on to their shoulders. Girls with necks are scarce.
* My advice: Meet a few nice non-pro´s. Get excellent sex for free with hot girls. Use the GP´s only when necessary.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1119857]A little update on the situation in Fortaleza.

* PRICES: Many girls ask for R$100-150. Some gold-diggers might even ask for R$200. Negotiate and don't pay more than maximum R$100. If it's a short-time go for R$70. [/QUOTE]So if I get you right, R$100 should be the price for TLN? I'm glad to hear this, since I haven't been there for more than three years, and this was the price in 2007.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1119857]* Apartment prices goes from more or less R$70 for a nice apartment in good location.[/QUOTE]Could you recommend a particular one?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Pyjama;1120433]So if I get you right, R$100 should be the price for TLN? I'm glad to hear this, since I haven't been there for more than three years, and this was the price in 2007.[/QUOTE]In general the girls ask for R$100-150. Most girls asking for R$150 quickly go down to R$100. A bit of negotiating and you might get the price down to R$70.

The girls that are hardest to negotiate are the absolut stunners that knows that they will get a high-paying customer, and also some of the ugly squared-headed ones. The squared-heads have almost no customers so they use brazilian logic and raise their price to earn more money.

Regarding the time-limit it depends very much on the girl and at what time you pick her. If she sees a chance to return to Mambo after your session she might not want to spend more than a couple of hours.

Yesterday I picked a nice girl at Zipi. She was asking for R$150 but we agreed on R$60 for a 2 hour session. 2 pops including anal and BBBJTCWS.

[QUOTE=Bigcebu; 1120450]Could you recommend a particular one?

Thanks[/QUOTE]You can try the agencies recommended here in the forum, Flatshop etc. The best deals you will get when you have connections directly with the apartment owners.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1120484]The girls that are hardest to negotiate are the absolut stunners that knows that they will get a high-paying customer, and also some of the ugly squared-headed ones. The squared-heads have almost no customers so they use brazilian logic and raise their price to earn more money.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. That is so funny. The Brazilian logic part.

Spero, first thanks for the very good report update on Fortaleza. Pretty much how I found things to be this trip, but with fewer nicer semi-pro girls.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1119857](Note: I noticed that many gringos, specially the italians, are eager to impress the girls buying overpriced roses and junk from the street vendors. OK, but why buying beer for the girls in F & M? F & M gives free beer to the girls until 2 AM. Throwing away money...).[/QUOTE]Second, WOW! This is news to me, that the girls get free drinks til 2AM. Since when has this been adopted? Or do they simply get a voucher for 1 or 2 drinks? Anyone else confirm this? Next time maybe I'll get them to buy me a few drinks.

[QUOTE=Spidy;1120538]Second, WOW! This is news to me, that the girls get free drinks til 2AM. Since when has this been adopted? Or do they simply get a voucher for 1 or 2 drinks? Anyone else confirm this? Next time maybe I'll get them to buy me a few drinks.[/QUOTE]They get free beers at Forró Mambo until 2 AM, drinks I don't know. As I understood they can get pretty much as many beers they want until 2 AM, without vouchers. I think Café del Mar has the same rule.

It's good policy as it attracts many girls and the girls are not asking so much about you buying drinks for them. The guys have to pay R$8 + 10% for a longneck Antarctica. I thought of offering the girls R$5 for them getting me beers.

Comparing Fortaleza and Rio might be like comparing oranges and apples, as they are two very different cities.

Fortaleza is a pleasant city. Lots of beaches, nice restaurants and quite a compact city. Still it's not comparible with Rio when it comes to beauty, atmosphere, beach-life, shopping etc.

Fortaleza is a good city for meeting non-pro's. It also a safer city than Rio.

MONGERING:

The mongering scene in Fortaleza and the quality of the girls isn't what it used to be. The mongering scene is quite limited to SW in Beira Mar and Zipi, Cafe del Mar and Forró Mambo. Nonetheless I much rather monger in Iracema than hanging out at Balcony or the Prado Junior area in Copacabana.

The quality in Fortaleza is very mixed with cuties, pumpkin-heads and chubbies. You don't have the variety that you'll find in Rio with lots of dark meat. I rather choose a mulatta with a round ass than a shorty without a neck. Still there are enough of cute girls in Fortaleza to keep you busy.

The girls in Fortaleza are less hardcore than the Copacabana girls. They have a sweeter and more amateurish approach. Easier to get GFE with a Iracema girl than with a hardened Balcony-pro.

When it comes to day-time action Rio wins without doubt.

Pricewise Fortaleza wins. If you get a Balcony girl for R$100 you are supposed to be quite happy. In Fortaleza most girls start the bargaining with R$100 and you can get the price down to about R$70. Even less if you pick her daytime at the beach.

I like both Fortaleza and Rio. I would never choose to monger in just one city. Yet Rio suits me better as I prefer daytime mongering.

Tomorrow I'll be off to Bahia. Mulattas and negras with lovely round chocolate-bundas. Yummy!

[QUOTE=Sperto;1120783]The girls in Fortaleza are less hardcore than the Copacabana girls. They have a sweeter and more amateurish approach. Easier to get GFE with a Iracema girl...[/QUOTE]Is BBBJ still standard?

[QUOTE=Pyjama;1122643]Is BBBJ still standard?[/QUOTE]Definitely yes.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1119857]A little update on the situation in Fortaleza.

PRO-SCENE, BEACH:

* "The days are gone when you could meet a lot of nice GP's at Croco Beach during day-time. There are very few GP's hanging out.

* Beira-Mar: The beach and the barracas in front of McDonalds. Always a bunch of GP's hanging around. Very mixed quality. Lots of just barely doable girls and a few gems if you're lucky."

I also noticed that the daytime beach scene at Praia de Futuro beaches has few or no GDPs. I noticed this my last 2 trips. In Nov 2008 and Nov 2010. Not sure what caused it. In 2008 I asked one of the daytime vendors at the beach about it and he said there was a crackdown on GDPs at the beach daytime. He was the only one who said that though. Anyone have anymore info on this topic from someone in the know? By the way, someone told me that Boa Vida beach in Praia de Futuro has daytime beach GDP action (I think Boa Vida is near Coco Beach). Is it true that Boa Vida has GDPs daytime? If so, wonder why that is the only beach with daytime action. The current daytime beach scene is pretty sad, as having available GDPs at the beaches daytime in my first two trips to Fortaleza (2003 and 2005) added a lot of spice and fun to the trip.

Regarding the Meirelles early evening action in the barracas across from McDonald. I noticed in my Nov 2008 trip there were fewer GDPs there than in my past trips. In my latest trip in Nov 2010, I noticed more GDPs there than the previous time, but the quality (looks) of the girls was much worse than in the past. Just my humble opinion.

It might be necessary for me to spend a couple of days near Sao Paulo, and then hop on an airplane to the north. The only time possible is around Easter, so my question to the experts: is it "alta temporada", packed with (Brazilian) tourists? Would hotels only offer paquotes as they do for Dec 31st / Jan 1st?

Going to Fortaleza in April. Can anyone recommend a nice hotel thats girl friendly in fortaleza that is in a great location? Any info would be appreciated.

Gv

[QUOTE=Gianni Versace; 1134266]Can anyone recommend a nice hotel thats girl friendly in fortaleza that is in a great location?

Gv[/QUOTE]As always personally I'd recommend the Hotel Americas, a smaller hotel which is a bit old fashioned (colonial style). Just across the street you have the Hotel Casa Blance, more modern, rooms are a bit more expensive.

I payed like R$ 80 or 100 per night, no extra fee for the girls. But this was three yeas ago.

Both are in a walking distance to the Iracema bars.

Maybe I am there too. Again I'd like to ask the experts how is the situation around Easter?

Pyjama

[quote=gianni versace; 1134266]going to fortaleza in april. can anyone recommend a nice hotel thats girl friendly in fortaleza that is in a great location? any info would be appreciated.

gv[/quote]the casa blanca is 120 reales cash price. for superior (you don't want a smaller room) and gf. info accurate as of today. there are better hotels if you don't mind a more or less 50 reales guest surcharge. $ exchange rate, btw, at sedoc on mons. tabosa was 1. 69 yesterday.

at forro mambo and environs (for me) 90% of the girls are non-doable, even for free. anything longer than a week visit here, you end up doing repeats. the few good ones know who they are and don't show up 'til like 1:30. but, if you're someone who's willing to compromise, there are a lot of bodies in play on weekends. thing i like here is that many are in it for the fun and will spend time with you in the city, at the beach, whereever and don't mention cash. possibly because the are getting monthly retainer from their 'boyfriend' in italy or spain primarily. it's easy to make dates here with regular girls to go out: just look like something in her peer group and pick up the tabs (like everywhere). final random note: girls getting free beers at fm seems to be over for the moment.

as i have stated in previous reports, the ibis is gf, about $110 br and $20 br guest charge. they are renovating the hotel now and who knows what this will do to prices. i am in an updated room, face lift only. biggest problem is no in-room safe. i am not happy with this and i will not use a lobby accessible safe. i will figure something out for next time.

i was out one night and it was dead. i was told it is a slow time of year for tourists. i will go again tonight and get a better idea. i am getting 1. 6 per $ exchange at one of the change joints near the macdonalds.

don't get caught up on the rating systems others use about the girls. there are ones here for everyone. just don't pay over $100 br. it makes it tougher for me to negotiate.

btw. any good places to change money near the holiday inn? i have cash to change and not an atm / bank card.

dev.

[quote=golfinho; 1134581]the casa blanca is 120 reales cash price. for superior (you don't want a smaller room) and gf. info accurate as of today. there are better hotels if you don't mind a more or less 50 reales guest surcharge. $ exchange rate, btw, at sedoc on mons. tabosa was 1. 69 yesterday.

at forro mambo and environs (for me) 90% of the girls are non-doable, even for free. anything longer than a week visit here, you end up doing repeats. the few good ones know who they are and don't show up 'til like 1:30. but, if you're someone who's willing to compromise, there are a lot of bodies in play on weekends. thing i like here is that many are in it for the fun and will spend time with you in the city, at the beach, whereever and don't mention cash. possibly because the are getting monthly retainer from their 'boyfriend' in italy or spain primarily. it's easy to make dates here with regular girls to go out: just look like something in her peer group and pick up the tabs (like everywhere). final random note: girls getting free beers at fm seems to be over for the moment. [/quote]

[QUOTE=Devileyes;1136615]in previous reports, the IBIS is GF, about $110 BR and $20 BR guest charge. BTW. Any good places to change money near the holiday inn? I have cash to change and not an ATM / bank card.[/QUOTE]The Ibis shows its price on a big sign outside. You can't miss it. Have to go inside to see how tiny the rooms are, but if you've seen one Ibis, you've seen 'them all. From Holiday Inn, walk to Mons. Tabosa, go right to SADOC a couple blocks on right before Praia Centro Hotel. 1.69 last week. Everytime I've been in Forta, they've always been a little above what is quoted by xe. Com. Bring your passport.

What ratings? Objective description of what is in play at any place is important: you don't want to go somewhere with outsized expectations or go under-funded. In Fortaleza, something can be found for low budget types. The top talent here (as everywhere) commands its own price.

[QUOTE=Devileyes;1136615]in previous reports, the IBIS is GF, about $110 BR and $20 BR guest charge. BTW. Any good places to change money near the holiday inn?.[/QUOTE]The Ibis shows its price on a big sign outside. You can't miss it. Have to go inside to see how tiny the rooms are, but if you've seen one Ibis, you've seen 'them all. From Holiday Inn, walk to Mons. Tabosa, go right to SADOC a couple blocks on right before Praia Centro Hotel. 1.69 last week. Everytime I've been in Forta, they've always been a little above what is quoted by xe. Com. Bring your passport. Glad to help.

What ratings? Objective description of what is in play at any place is important: you don't want to go somewhere with outsized expectations, or go under-funded. In Fortaleza, plenty things can be found for low budget types. The top talent here (as everywhere) commands its own price.

Thanks G. Agreed about the size of the rooms, but if you cannot do an apartment for your stay, and need a GF hotel that is cost effective, IBIS is pretty good. I did the Casa Blanca a while ago and my local team I work with gave me too much crap about the area (I had no problems). IBIS is more acceptable to them. Gptta keep the peace.

I will try the SADOC for my next exchange. If that is the place across from the sandal shop, I have yet to see it open when I am not working.

As for the ratings systems, I agree with you 100, I said it poorly, but I have found that one man's 7 is another man's 9. 5.

[QUOTE=Golfinho; 1136623]The Ibis shows its price on a big sign outside. You can't miss it. Have to go inside to see how tiny the rooms are, but if you've seen one Ibis, you've seen 'them all. From Holiday Inn, walk to Mons. Tabosa, go right to SADOC a couple blocks on right before Praia Centro Hotel. 1.69 last week. Everytime I've been in Forta, they've always been a little above what is quoted by xe. Com. Bring your passport. Glad to help.

What ratings? Objective description of what is in play at any place is important: you don't want to go somewhere with outsized expectations, or go under-funded. In Fortaleza, plenty things can be found for low budget types. The top talent here (as everywhere) commands its own price. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Devileyes; 1136673].

I will try the SADOC for my next exchange. If that is the place across from the sandal shop, I have yet to see it open when I am not working.[/QUOTE]The cambio is across the street directly from the store that sells hammocks and made-in-Ceara textile products. Good quality and good value there. A chick put me on to SADOC. They always know. They can also recommend a chica friendly hotel for you as they've (LOL) seen them all.

The rating concept is useless. Here and always. Consider in Fortaleza when you come across a nice, thin young body only to see her turn around and show you that pitted complexion and those hardscrabble eyes. The talent pool is not deep.

[QUOTE=Devileyes;1136673]As for the ratings systems ... I said it poorly, but I have found that one man's 7 is another man's 9. 5.[/QUOTE]Absolutely, I have always been happy with the choice of girls here in Iracema, I had to look but always found a GDP up to my liking. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and apparently these girls are _MY_ type. I wouldn't be too happy with many of the girls that other members here rate as 8s. 9s or 10s.

Just my 2 cents.

Pyjama

Thanks again G. That is why I keep thinking of that old saying. Butter face. She was really sexy, but her face. Not so much!

[QUOTE=Golfinho; 1136697]The cambio is across the street directly from the store that sells hammocks and made-in-Ceara textile products. Good quality and good value there. A chick put me on to SADOC. They always know. They can also recommend a chica friendly hotel for you as they've (LOL) seen them all.

The rating concept is useless. Here and always. Consider in Fortaleza when you come across a nice, thin young body only to see her turn around and show you that pitted complexion and those hardscrabble eyes. The talent pool is not deep. [/QUOTE]

Beauty and attitude go hand in hand. I will take a very happy 7 over a jaded 10 any day!

Everyone's type is different.

BTW it is dead here. At 12:00, I was THE ONLY GUY at Cafe Del Mar. 6 or 8 girls. Nice odds, but over numbers are very lacking. Tonight will be Wednesday. Should be as dead since Armazen is usually the hot spot. We will see.

Dev.

[QUOTE=Pyjama; 1136766]Absolutely, I have always been happy with the choice of girls here in Iracema, I had to look but always found a GDP up to my liking. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and apparently these girls are _MY_ type. I wouldn't be too happy with many of the girls that other members here rate as 8s. 9s or 10s.

Just my 2 cents.

Pyjama[/QUOTE]

A friend of mine told me he knew a guy who had been to a club in Fortaleza he considered the best in Brazil. Where might that be? Appatently amazing looking garotas.

GK

[QUOTE=Genghis Khan; 1145671]A friend of mine told me he knew a guy who had been to a club in Fortaleza he considered the best in Brazil. Where might that be?

GK[/QUOTE]If it was a club with GP's it was propably Forró Mambo or maybe Armazem, even though none of them is that spectacular.

If it was a regular club it must have been Mucuripe. A great place.

[url]http://mucuripe.com.br/[/url]

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1107639]I had a question about this place, because several people mentioned it has a lot of programa girls on Wednesday nites. I went there twice on Wednesday nites, the first time in 2008, and the second time this past November.

Usually programa girls make eye contact or smile, or do something to let you know. This is true at Mambo, Zipi club and other places that have programa girls. I did not see this the two times I went to Armazem. So my impression was that the programa girls that were at Armazem the two Wednesdays I was there, were taking the nite off and just going to Armazem for fun and dancing, not to work. But other posters have said they really were working. If so, why the lack of eye contact or smile? Why were they not acting like programa girls that were working? I am not trying to deny what other posters have written. They may be right. I am just curious as to why the GDPs were acting different at Armazem than at other places. If they were working, shouldn't they let you know? [/QUOTE]I used to lived / worked in Fortaleza, seeing this thread reminded me how I used to go there with Brazilian friends and not once we've seen semi-pros! Armazen is no different than any US club. Maybe even worse. More guys, there are some women partying of various level of attractiveness, but it's not a place for P4P. The music is loud and it's just not the vibe for pickup. I've seen guys from Italy and Netherlands looking like models trying to get with women who were 6-7s at the most. They can do better in their own country for free!

The best way to find something attractive is to hire a taxi driver to drive around and pick up girls on the streets. They know where they stand. I picked up the most attractive girls this way for R75.

[QUOTE=Start123;1155399]I used to lived / worked in Fortaleza, seeing this thread reminded me how I used to go there with Brazilian friends and not once we've seen semi-pros! Armazen is no different than any US club. Maybe even worse. More guys, there are some women partying of various level of attractiveness, but it's not a place for P4P.[/QUOTE]Wednesdays are ho-nights at Armazem. Not a place for P4P? Funny...

[QUOTE=Devileyes; 1136823]Beauty and attitude go hand in hand. I will take a very happy 7 over a jaded 10 any day!

Everyone's type is different.

BTW it is dead here. At 12:00, I was THE ONLY GUY at Cafe Del Mar. 6 or 8 girls. Nice odds, but over numbers are very lacking. Tonight will be Wednesday. Should be as dead since Armazen is usually the hot spot. We will see.

Dev.[/QUOTE]The time the best talent arrives at Cafe del Mar is 1:30. Get there primed a bit before.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1155646]Wednesdays are ho-nights at Armazem. Not a place for P4P? Funny...[/QUOTE]Everyone is saying Wednesday nite is ho nite at Armazem in Fortaleza, so I guess it must be true. But it does seem the programa girls or semi-pros at Armazem are not as open about it as the girls at Zipi and Mambo and Cafe del Mar. Not much smiling or eye contact as in those other places. How come? Any comments? (Also, seems to be hard to talk to them with all the loud music.)

Also, what is the deal with that disco in Armazem. The one to the far left as you enter Armazem. The music is so incredibly loud in that disco it's impossible to talk to anyone, even if they knew English. Are there GDPs also in that superloud disco? If so, how do you pick them up with all that noise?

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1157873]Everyone is saying Wednesday nite is ho nite at Armazem in Fortaleza, so I guess it must be true. But it does seem the programa girls or semi-pros at Armazem are not as open about it as the girls at Zipi and Mambo and Cafe del Mar. Not much smiling or eye contact as in those other places. How come? Any comments? (Also, seems to be hard to talk to them with all the loud music.)

Also, what is the deal with that disco in Armazem. The one to the far left as you enter Armazem. The music is so incredibly loud in that disco it's impossible to talk to anyone, even if they knew English. Are there GDPs also in that superloud disco? If so, how do you pick them up with all that noise? [/QUOTE]Armazem has live music, forró, in the main area and a smaller disco to the far left playing techno or whatever. Loud music? Well, it's a disco. The girls in the disco are same as the girls in the main area, I. E GP's.

Your other questions are just the same as those you asked in January.

Hi guys,

Pardon for the delay but here is my report of a 2 weeks travel in fortaleza in January.

It was the second time in there and I must admit that situation now is not very good, a lot

Of girls were missing and the whole panorama was not so interesting very much has changed in two years,

First night I was in Mambo, I've never been there before, there were a lot of girls but most of them were.

Seven and there were 2 or 3 eight but no stunners at all! I waited for some girl to catch my attention there

Was one dark skinned very gook body I wanted to stay a night and after some discussions I told.

Here I would pay 80 she was interested in me and so we made it. In the room she was crazy we made sex 4 or 5 times I don't remember but that's not a new with brazilian girls. After some days I spotted a very good looking girl sitting in a table at beiramar, she wasn't looking at me so I blinked.

An eye to her friend which I finally discovered to be a trans, but no worries my target was the other.

To summarize this girls was engaged with an old italian lawyer that was in fortaleza but I didn't care. I went one day out with her but I didn't have sex because she was too strange and she used cocaine like a lot of girls there. After two nights I met at a table in beira mar the tranny with a lot of garotas de programa, one of them Renata was I very nice blondie that made me go crazy to nights before making lap dance she asked me if "quer namorar comigo" I said yes I so I spent two funny GFE days with her but after that I pissed her of

Because I fucking italian kept calling her telling her that he was definitely in love she went made and she told me her mind was away and she asked me 200 reals but for this shitty attitude I told her I only hed 100, I spoke with her on messenger some days ago and she told me she is pregnant now, what a waste she is 19!

Last two girls were Monica and Jaqueline, Monica is a fortaleza girl married with an italian to keep things short we fucked one day and she keeps telling me to go and find her in milan. The other girl was a blondie one like Renata, not soo attractive though, she made me do everything I wanted, I paid her 150 reals for 2 hours but I paid so much because she was a friend of Renata and I wanted to left her some kind of "go fuck yourself" message. To summarize I didn't have problems finding girls but I go in brazil to find stunners and for this reason I won't go again in fortaleza, not to mentions that thanks to italian suckers girls now feel important and they are very stupid.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1157956]Armazem has live music, forró, in the main area and a smaller disco to the far left playing techno or whatever. Loud music? Well, it's a disco. The girls in the disco are same as the girls in the main area, I. E GP's.

Your other questions are just the same as those you asked in January. [/QUOTE]Glad to see you are checking up on me. You must have lots of free time.

I didn't get my questions completely answered before so I was hoping for better luck this time.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1158303]Glad to see you are checking up on me. You must have lots of free time.
I didn't get my questions completely answered before so I was hoping for better luck this time. [/QUOTE]You seemed hopelessy lost so I just wanted to help out with some of your questions. I kinda felt sorry for you being rejected by the GP's at Armazem.
Checking up on you? Nope, I just saw the same questions 4 posts below.

The truth is that a lot of european men, italians in particular are.

Literally harvesting fortaleza, filling women with a lof of money,

Now women are overvalued there and that's why I don't think is a good place to go.

I was at armazem and women preferred to be alone but almost no one came near to me.

Which for fortaleza's standards was very unusual.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1157873]Everyone is saying Wednesday nite is ho nite at Armazem in Fortaleza, so I guess it must be true. But it does seem the programa girls or semi-pros at Armazem are not as open about it as the girls at Zipi and Mambo and Cafe del Mar. Not much smiling or eye contact as in those other places. How come? Any comments? (Also, seems to be hard to talk to them with all the loud music.)

Also, what is the deal with that disco in Armazem. The one to the far left as you enter Armazem. The music is so incredibly loud in that disco it's impossible to talk to anyone, even if they knew English. Are there GDPs also in that superloud disco? If so, how do you pick them up with all that noise? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Genio Della;1158654]The truth is that a lot of european men, italians in particular are.
Literally harvesting fortaleza, filling women with a lof of money,
Now women are overvalued there and that's why I don't think is a good place to go.
I was at armazem and women preferred to be alone but almost no one came near to me.
Which for fortaleza's standards was very unusual.[/QUOTE]
Fortaleza is one the most monger-visited cities in Brazil. The majority of the mongers going there are Italians. The rest are a mix of Dutch, German, Scandinavians etc. There are direct flights from Italy so the Italians comes in large numbers. They stay for a short time and spend their money happily, resulting in overpaying the GP's.

Some of the GP's speaks Italian and are very happy for taking Italians as customer. However Italians have a bad rumour amongst the GP's in Fortaleza, resulting in that many GP's avoids having Italians as customers or only accept them when overcharging heavily. I always find it a great advantage not being Italian when negotiating with GP's in Fortaleza.

In Mambo, Café del Mar, Armazem etc I've often seen beautiful GP's choosing old, fat, badly-dressed European (non-Italians) men instead of young well-dressed Italian guys. Being Italian in Fortaleza might be a disadvantage.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1158733]In Mambo, Café del Mar, Armazem etc I've often seen beautiful GP's choosing old, fat, badly-dressed European (non-Italians) men instead of young well-dressed Italian guys. Being Italian in Fortaleza might be a disadvantage.[/QUOTE]Poll the girls and see how many have been to Italy vs how many have been to USA (yeah, we all know why). As for age: young is 'more work' and less cash. No mystery in any of this; no need to take shots at the Italians here: they're in Forta to party. Now, if you want to compare notes on the Israelis, then there's something to talk about.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1158745]Poll the girls and see how many have been to Italy vs how many have been to USA (yeah, we all know why). As for age: young is 'more work' and less cash. No mystery in any of this; no need to take shots at the Italians here: they're in Forta to party. Now, if you want to compare notes on the Israelis, then there's something to talk about.[/QUOTE]I was not taking any shots. I have no problem at all with the Italians in Fortaleza. I just explained the situation.

BTW, the old Italians havn't more luck than the young ones, so it's not about "more work".

Actually I am italian and I have problem with italians,

There is one kind of italian that pours some good money and goes away another kind, and there are a lot,

That bring them in italy marry them, fill them with a lot of money and then girls come back to fortaleza alone.

For vacation to do "programa", these girls become rich. Italians did the same with italian girls so it's not too good to see that destroy brazilian fauna.

Ahhhaahahaha.

P. S.

I was in an apartment toward beira mar, one girl lived there all paid by a sweden man and she told me she has 5 boyfriend in total. Only 21 years old.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1158901]I was not taking any shots. I have no problem at all with the Italians in Fortaleza. I just explained the situation.

BTW, the old Italians havn't more luck than the young ones, so it's not about "more work". [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1158901]just explained the situation.

BTW, the old Italians havn't more luck than the young ones, so it's not about "more work". [/QUOTE]You have your worm's eye view of the situation, like everyone. The old story is young Italians don't want to pay, while the old one's overpay. Reality somewhere in between. Meanwhile at Casa Blanca at breakfast Italians are in there with their dates avery morning. Some girls prefer them, some don't.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1159021]You have your worm's eye view of the situation, like everyone. The old story is young Italians don't want to pay, while the old one's overpay.[/QUOTE]Wrong. The young ones are just as willing to pay as the old ones. They come to Fortaleza for a short period and spend happily. Well, the thread is about Fortaleza so this subject isn't very important.

Italians old or young are desperate if they have money they will give everything if they don't have it they try to trick

Girls, the point is now in fortaleza very beautiful girls totally disappeared and the other are overvalued.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1159220]Wrong. The young ones are just as willing to pay as the old ones. They come to Fortaleza for a short period and spend happily. Well, the thread is about Fortaleza so this subject isn't very important.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sperto;1159220]Wrong. The young ones are just as willing to pay as the old ones. They come to Fortaleza for a short period and spend happily. Well, the thread is about Fortaleza so this subject isn't very important.[/QUOTE]Thankfully, you are the runnerup to the frognik prosal as the king of picking bones.

For Armazem on Wednesday: have an old friend GdP help you sort them out. She'll I. D. One for you who's interested in playing on the 'night off'.

[QUOTE=Genio Della;1159241]Girls, the point is now in fortaleza very beautiful girls totally disappeared and the other are overvalued.[/QUOTE]Do you think they've gone to Europe (or elsewhere) for the summer?

I've heard from two who went over to work. One in Spain and the other in Italy. And were deported end of last year.

Actually there is a whole colony of fortaleza girls in Naple, Turin and Rome they don't work officially, they are mantained,

Plus in fortaleza there are a lot of GFE like girls that come in europe with their monthly boyfriend then once arrived they start to take a paid tour in all most famous Cities, so it's easy to miss them in fortaleza even if they live there officially.

[QUOTE=Golfinho; 1159263]Do you think they've gone to Europe (or elsewhere) for the summer?

I've heard from two who went over to work. One in Spain and the other in Italy. And were deported end of last year. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Genio Della;1159241]Italians old or young are desperate if they have money they will give everything if they don't have it they try to trick[/QUOTE]
Genio Della is very right.
[QUOTE=Golfinho;1159242]Thankfully, you are the runnerup to the frognik prosal as the king of picking bones.[/QUOTE]
You really like to whine.
Did you change your alias from Zingadoon to Golfinho just because you were embarrassed of your own posts?

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1159382]Genio Della is very right.

You really like to whine.[/QUOTE]Spurto is on the case. Ok, by me if you want to be the expert on cheap pay-by-the minute hooker sex in brazil. The title is yours.

Fortaleza is totaly diferent from the rest of nordeste and all this thanks to the italians that live permanent to Fortaleza. The 15 days turist are mostly the same and for sure idiotism no have flag. But lets see what happens in Recife. I was for years there in midlle of 80's when start to come the germans like tsunami waves. They exactly did the same thing (and believe me 20 dolars that time was a lot of money) and the few that stay permantly did nothing ecxept to be drunk during all day and finally the owner of Baboo (pround german) after many years of succesfull work there one night kill a young Italian and became smoke to don't spend the rest of his bloody life in Brasilian prisons. I am not Italian but since 1982 that have been around Brasil I din't saw any other race to do something good in a place like Italians did in Fortaleza (to do the place alive).

[QUOTE=Paparidis;1160009]Fortaleza is totaly diferent from the rest of nordeste and all this thanks to the italians that live permanent to Fortaleza. The 15 days turist are mostly the same and for sure idiotism no have flag. But lets see what happens in Recife. I was for years there in midlle of 80's when start to come the germans like tsunami waves. They exactly did the same thing (and believe me 20 dolars that time was a lot of money) and the few that stay permantly did nothing ecxept to be drunk during all day and finally the owner of Baboo (pround german) after many years of succesfull work there one night kill a young Italian and became smoke to don't spend the rest of his bloody life in Brasilian prisons. I am not Italian but since 1982 that have been around Brasil I din't saw any other race to do something good in a place like Italians did in Fortaleza (to do the place alive).[/QUOTE]Italians living permanently in Fortaleza have contributed a lot to Fortaleza. Many of them are owners of hotels, pousadas, restaurants, bars, lanhouses, car-rentals, apartment-rentals etc. Actually the same goes for many cities in Brazil where the tourism is strong. The Italians quickly opens establishments.

As you mentioned, Recife had it's invasion of German tourists. Those German who chosed to live their permanently were a very sad sight. The hours they were awake they spent together with countrymen drinking heavily.

In terms of overall development and living I totally agree,

It's not a coincidence that one of most developed cities in brazil, Sao Paulo, has more than 6 millions of italians,

But coming back to women topic, former italians now brazilians that live in Sao Paulo treat women like.

Brazilians, italians that go in fortaleza come from a disastrous situation in italy where many italians go with trans.

Because women are frigid and because italians lack a pair of balls and worship even ugly women,

When they come to brazil they do the same they fall to the feet of first woman they find.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1160051]Italians living permanently in Fortaleza have contributed a lot to Fortaleza. Many of them are owners of hotels, pousadas, restaurants, bars, lanhouses, car-rentals, apartment-rentals etc. Actually the same goes for many cities in Brazil where the tourism is strong. The Italians quickly opens establishments.

As you mentioned, Recife had it's invasion of German tourists. Those German who chosed to live their permanently were a very sad sight. The hours they were awake they spent together with countrymen drinking heavily. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Genio Della; 1160132]italians that go in fortaleza come from a disastrous situation in italy where many italians go with trans.

Because women are frigid and because italians lack a pair of balls and worship even ugly women,

When they come to brazil they do the same they fall to the feet of first woman they find. [/QUOTE]That is only partially true IMO.
The way I see it, the root of problems is that somehow Italian men are more of horny dogs than others, either that or for some cultural reason they seem to give pussy more weight that it deserves.
They just flip out at the sight of one single pussy hair and would do anything to get some. Anything. This directly translates into way too much attention being directed to women and women being totally spoiled by it as a result.
This is the reason why Italian women see themselves as so precious and play hard to get as a result.
Getting pussy is more of a pain in the ass in Italy, and that's very sad, but in the end we all owe it to our fellow countrymen.
By contrast, look at Australians; all men care about over there is getting drunk. Women get not much attention and in fact they're about the easiest lays you'll ever get for free on this whole planet. Can't beat OZ when it comes to ease of getting pussy. But anyways.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1160051]Italians living permanently in Fortaleza have contributed a lot to Fortaleza. Many of them are owners of hotels, pousadas, restaurants, bars, lanhouses, car-rentals, apartment-rentals etc. Actually the same goes for many cities in Brazil where the tourism is strong. The Italians quickly opens establishments.

As you mentioned, Recife had it's invasion of German tourists. Those German who chosed to live their permanently were a very sad sight. The hours they were awake they spent together with countrymen drinking heavily. [/QUOTE]In fact, that seems to be the upper side of the coin. For as much as we spoil women into monsters we also have a reputation for improving places and things where we mount tent, at least from the business and infrastructure point of view (an easy example being Ethiopia).

There always is a trade off it seems.

Bless

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1158308]You seemed hopelessy lost so I just wanted to help out with some of your questions. I kinda felt sorry for you being rejected by the GP's at Armazem.

Checking up on you? Nope, I just saw the same questions 4 posts below. [/QUOTE]One of your recent posts specifically mentioned my earlier post in "January", so you must have been checking back then, not just my last post. Otherwise how would you know it was in January? So you must have plenty of free time to be checking up, despite your denial. And I didn't try to pick up the GDPs because I wasn't sure who was a GDP and who was a non-pro, so there was no rejection. (I did not want to mistake a non-pro for a pro.) In your rush to criticize, you were not really trying to understand what I had written. Regarding the loud noise at the disco on the left side of Armazem, and your snappy response that "all discos are loud". You are missing the point that things are a matter of degree. There is a difference between loud, as in the forro side of Armazem, where there is a chance of hearing something someone says, and the disco area on the left. The noise at that disco was way louder than most discos, no way to be able to talk to anyone there.

Lets forget easy-easy Brasil like mongering destination. The coundry became very expensive the last two years and the really beutyfull pros easy find customers brasilians to pay them the money that was paid by turist and finally they like the man of their race much more than any stupid turist. Be realistics from now and later only ugly pros you going to find in front of you and don't be surpise if you see brasilians mongers in Europe they have now a loy of money. For GENIO DELLA I think that the solution is to speak a litlle portugese and you can find in the correct places many women non-pro that are crazy to have relation with foreingers but never tell that you are italian for these women is a red flag.

[QUOTE=Henry R;1160249]One of your recent posts specifically mentioned my earlier post in "January", so you must have been checking back then, not just my last post. Otherwise how would you know it was in January? So you must have plenty of free time to be checking up, despite your denial. And I didn't try to pick up the GDPs because I wasn't sure who was a GDP and who was a non-pro, so there was no rejection. (I did not want to mistake a non-pro for a pro.) In your rush to criticize, you were not really trying to understand what I had written. Regarding the loud noise at the disco on the left side of Armazem, and your snappy response that "all discos are loud". You are missing the point that things are a matter of degree. There is a difference between loud, as in the forro side of Armazem, where there is a chance of hearing something someone says, and the disco area on the left. The noise at that disco was way louder than most discos, no way to be able to talk to anyone there.[/QUOTE]Wooow, so much BS. Impressive.

[QUOTE=Genio Della;1159312]Actually there is a whole colony of fortaleza girls in Naple, Turin and Rome they don't work officially, they are mantained,[/QUOTE]What the hell you're talking about? A colony of fortaleza girls in Naples and Turin? You don't know what you talking about.

I Marco because I don't know explain me,

You criticize and that is good because I can learn a lot from you.

But if you don't say nothing your critics will burn like dry grass burnt by accidental fire in autumn.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1160312]What the hell you're talking about? A colony of fortaleza girls in Naples and Turin? You don't know what you talking about.[/QUOTE]

Supporting my cause I can give you 20 facebook contacts of these girls,

From there you can search through their female contacts and easily you will find 200 girls

Living in italy but I think you know this very well.

[QUOTE=Genio Della; 1160423]I Marco because I don't know explain me,

You criticize and that is good because I can learn a lot from you.

But if you don't say nothing your critics will burn like dry grass burnt by accidental fire in autumn. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Genio Della; 1160423]I Marco because I don't know explain me,

You criticize and that is good because I can learn a lot from you.

But if you don't say nothing your critics will burn like dry grass burnt by accidental fire in autumn. [/QUOTE]There's nothing to explain, I'm from Turin, goin' to Naples often. Just because you're into facebook shit doesn't mean you know about Naples and Turin.

There's no Fortaleza colony in Naples or Turin, I'd like there was.

So, sorry to say, but you are fullofshit.

Thank you for you contribute,

But except from saying the word shit everyone will notice on the forum

That you are not explaining everything, you are only saying that my words are not true.

If you are happy with that then it is good.

You don't care that I bring proofs but you don't bring them,

Tipical italian dumbass.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight; 1161506]There's nothing to explain, I'm from Turin, goin' to Naples often. Just because you're into facebook shit doesn't mean you know about Naples and Turin.

There's no Fortaleza colony in Naples or Turin, I'd like there was.

So, sorry to say, but you are fullofshit. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Genio Della; 1161511]Thank you for you contribute,

But except from saying the word shit everyone will notice on the forum

That you are not explaining everything, you are only saying that my words are not true.

If you are happy with that then it is good.

You don't care that I bring proofs but you don't bring them,

Tipical italian dumbass. [/QUOTE]Mr. Genio, I am very disappointed with your posts, and I'm not alone.

You are italien but offend your fellow-countryman. Very strange.

You wrote that many italien mongers are used to go with trans. ARE YOU CRAZY?

20 contacts in facebook (having friendship with other 200 girls.) are a PROOF? Of what?

In Naples, Turin, Venice, Rome there are about 6 million citizens.

You're a engineer. The percentage of girls is. 0.00333%. Very tiny.

And it's the same percent that you can find in Norway, Holland, Deutchland, and nobody of this people talks about COLONY.

Many girls stay in europe 1-2-3 months, no more, and after come back to brasil for other 3 months or more. Few of there come back in the same country or in the same town.

If they don't get married, can go in europe 3-6 times, but when are 24-25 whyear old they stay always in brasil, definitely.

Your achievements are very superficial. You've been in brasil 2 times. 2 weeks each time, and your sentences are incredibles.

Talk with italiens when you are there, and think a lot before writing in the forum.

I was in brasil about 15 times. 2 or 3 weeks each time, I met a lot of people, talked with italien men, with regular or GDP brasilian, but almost nobody is like you are writing. It's not a PROOF?

300-400 person talking with, having telefon number, address etc are a little bit trustful and different and from 20 profiles on facebook, isn't'IT?

So I'm boring a lot with your insignificant and improper post. Why don't you stop?

Just my 2 cents. FORTY

I didn't say that many italian mongers go with trans,

I said that italians go with trans that is different.

But I don't want to go on with this diatriba.

[QUOTE=Forty; 1161541]Mr. Genio, I am very disappointed with your posts, and I'm not alone.

You are italien but offend your fellow-countryman. Very strange.

You wrote that many italien mongers are used to go with trans. ARE YOU CRAZY?

20 contacts in facebook (having friendship with other 200 girls.) are a PROOF? Of what?

In Naples, Turin, Venice, Rome there are about 6 million citizens.

You're a engineer. The percentage of girls is. 0.00333. Very tiny.

And it's the same percent that you can find in Norway, Holland, Deutchland, and nobody of this people talks about COLONY.

Many girls stay in europe 1-2-3 months, no more, and after come back to brasil for other 3 months or more. Few of there come back in the same country or in the same town.

If they don't get married, can go in europe 3-6 times, but when are 24-25 whyear old they stay always in brasil, definitely.

Your achievements are very superficial. You've been in brasil 2 times. 2 weeks each time, and your sentences are incredibles.

Talk with italiens when you are there, and think a lot before writing in the forum.

I was in brasil about 15 times. 2 or 3 weeks each time, I met a lot of people, talked with italien men, with regular or GDP brasilian, but almost nobody is like you are writing. It's not a PROOF?

300-400 person talking with, having telefon number, address etc are a little bit trustful and different and from 20 profiles on facebook, isn't'IT?

So I'm boring a lot with your insignificant and improper post. Why don't you stop?

Just my 2 cents. FORTY[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Genio Della;1161511]Tipical italian dumbass.[/QUOTE]A sure sign of what I immediately felt reading your useless comment.

If you're planning to conduct a personal war against Italians it's fine. Just don't bullshit everyone saying that you're italian pretending to know a lot about Brasil. Sorry to repeat myself but you don't know shit about Brasil, Fortaleza and italians. No offense. Take care.

Marcostraight, tipical irish-italian dumbass, ISG member since 2002.

[QUOTE=Forty;1161541]You wrote that many italien mongers are used to go with trans. ARE YOU CRAZY?[/QUOTE]The fact that many italians used to go with transexuals in Italy, is true; just like many germans, australians, english mongers are used to go with ladyboys in Thailand. This is the reason why Milan, Turin and all the major cities in the north of Italy are fully loaded with brasilian transexuals.

About italians is probably because that kind of "perversion / forbidden desire" wich is tipical of those who had a severe catholic education. Just like the countries where the concepts of discipline and order are more pronounced (Japan, England, Germany, etc.) you can find a huge SM scene with a lot of Mistresses ready to punish submissive mongers. It's a kind of "reverse side of a coin", I don't know, I'm not a psychologist but that's a fact.

About the colony of fortaleza girls in Turin and Naples instead, epic bullshit from someone who doesn't know a *

Forty, Marcostraight and Genio Della please don't discuss on these bullshit.

This is the typical Italian's way of doing, I hate it and I'm italian too.

We're on a forum and I think we've to write our point of view to help our virtual friend here.

I've been 4 times in brasil and every time for 3 weeks, I speak portuguese a little and I've the pleasure to stay with every kind of brazilian girls expect trans cause I don't like.

It's true that some italians go with trans, childrens and more but I suppose it's the same in other coutries.

And it's true that many brazilian girls live in Italy but it's not a colony it's a good number due to direct flight from fortaleza with a cheap price. The good quality of food, weather and life in italy. And the most important brazilian girl ask for something and italian boy do it for her.

Actually I'm living here in Italy with a girl that I met in fortaleza and she told me that the situation is very poor, if you want to find a very good-looking girl in fortaleza mambo is not the right place cause there are only the typical girls that came from favelas.

Now you have to discover the houses of massage cause brazilian customer pay 150-200-250 but he wants good quality girl.

If you want a cheap girl the mambo's zone is good cause brazilians don't like that kind of girl and now you can catch them for 50rs.

I hope to help you with my reply. For any answer please write.

Bye

Hi! Very good mongering experience in DR and Thailand, but newbie in in Brazil. I'm planning to come to Rio & Fortaleza for 2 weeks in September.

I'm reading a lot on this site, but can't understand the prices: What's the price for ST, and LT? Most of you say paying around 100R. Is it for all night long?

Nobody clearly make a distinction about ST / LT in this Brazilian forum. Why? Girls don't do LT there?

Is there a big difference between Rio / Fortaleza prices?

Thanks for a little explaination.

[QUOTE=Namasteparis;1170150]I'm reading a lot on this site, but can't understand the prices: What's the price for ST, and LT? Most of you say paying around 100R. Is it for all night long?[/QUOTE]I haven't been there for too long now (more than 3 years ago). But then I was always paying 100 R$ for her to stay at my hotel and leave the next morning. There was only one "ST": that is because I have thrown her out for her lousy service and attitude! And then there was this keeper. Payed her once, and then she stayed for some days, just like friends on holidays.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1158733]Some of the GP's speaks Italian and are very happy for taking Italians as customer. However Italians have a bad rumour amongst the GP's in Fortaleza, resulting in that many GP's avoids having Italians as customers or only accept them when overcharging heavily. I always find it a great advantage not being Italian when negotiating with GP's in Fortaleza.

In Mambo, Café del Mar, Armazem etc I've often seen beautiful GP's choosing old, fat, badly-dressed European (non-Italians) men instead of young well-dressed Italian guys. Being Italian in Fortaleza might be a disadvantage.[/QUOTE]I'm Italian and never had to overpay anybody.

Having stayed in fortaleza for a month and being from the North of italy I learned from other italians from the north that there is a problem with the italians coming from Naples: Beside the fact that They make a lot of noise on the beach and wherever they go, since They are all young and nice looking guys and many of them coming from the underworld of Naples, they would like not to pay the girls and try to scam them.

Some girls told me that they don't go with italians from Naples becouse they don't want to pay and me to kept away from them not to be taken for them.

Hi guys,

After few years of sex tourism in Thailand I got a little fed up and willing for a change.

I started studing the Brazialian scene and I believe the best thing I'd like now is an experience in the termas.

Unfortunately, I realized Rio is way too much expensive for my budget.

I was considering Fortaleza as second best because cheaper, smaller, safer and with a possible connection for my accomodation (in order to save a little more).

Now, my question is: are there any termas in Fortaleza? If so, do they stand to the glorious Rio standards?

Actually, I already questioned an estimated user here and he answered no, no termas at all.

Can you confirm? Is that possible? Maybe there weren't last time he was in there and there are now.

Other than that, how do you get P4P in Fortaleza? Just freelancers in disco club?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing;1172893]Now, my question is: are there any termas in Fortaleza? If so, do they stand to the glorious Rio standards?
Actually, I already questioned an estimated user here and he answered no, no termas at all.
Can you confirm? Is that possible? Maybe there weren't last time he was in there and there are now.
Other than that, how do you get P4P in Fortaleza? Just freelancers in disco club? [/QUOTE]
No and no.
Yes and yes.
Freelancers. No, sw as well.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1173076]No and no.

Yes and yes.

Freelancers. No, SW as well.[/QUOTE]Ok, Thanks. Then how you pull a cutie (either P4P or not) when you don't look macho and you don't speak Portuguese?

Besides, if clubs play loud techno and reggaetton I don't think I could hang in there for more than 1 drink time.

Hey.

Someone here have photo's from girls from fortaleza?

Work in zippi bar of mambo cafedelmar.

I have also.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Sexual Healing; 1174550]Ok, Thanks. Then how you pull a cutie (either P4P or not) when you don't look macho and you don't speak Portuguese?
Besides, if clubs play loud techno and reggaetton I don't think I could hang in there for more than 1 drink time.[/QUOTE]I think your best option would be to go for P4P. A GP won't care if you don't speak Portuguese. Money talks.

[QUOTE=Loverboy9999; 1174902]Hey.
Someone here have photo's from girls from fortaleza?
Work in zippi bar of mambo cafedelmar.
I have also.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Yes, many of us have photo's from girls from Fortaleza.
If we want to share them we will do so in the forum.

BTW, you should stop sending PM's asking for photos.

[quote=start123; 1155399]i used to lived / worked in fortaleza, seeing this thread reminded me how i used to go there with brazilian friends and not once we've seen semi-pros! armazen is no different than any us club. maybe even worse. more guys, there are some women partying of various level of attractiveness, but it's not a place for p4p. the music is loud and it's just not the vibe for pickup. i've seen guys from italy and netherlands looking like models trying to get with women who were 6-7s at the most. they can do better in their own country for free!

the best way to find something attractive is to hire a taxi driver to drive around and pick up girls on the streets. they know where they stand. i picked up the most attractive girls this way for r75.[/quote]as sperto has already said, but it bears repeating, weds at armazem is the best game in town (post zipi) for gps. when i was there with my novia, she new just about everyone there and confirmed that nearly all the girls are gps. if they aren't, they're with a bf usually. also, you see the same girls you see at mambo / del mar during the rest of the week. street girls are almost always **** (again, confirmed by my novia at the time).

I'd like to point out a house of massage called portao preto. It's located in the barrio zeze walter. A bit far from centro but you can find nice girls. Price 100rs short time. The motel is closed to the house.

Here's a video.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liRHp1YeQG0[/url]

[QUOTE=Rometta; 1192796]I'd like to point out a house of massage called portao preto. It's located in the barrio zeze walter. A bit far from centro but you can find nice girls. Price 100rs short time. The motel is closed to the house.

Here's a video.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liRHp1YeQG0[/url][/QUOTE]I am sure YouTube will remove that video soon and ban that YouTube account.

Watch it while you can folks!

[QUOTE=Rometta;1192796]I'd like to point out a house of massage called portao preto. It's located in the barrio zeze walter. A bit far from centro but you can find nice girls. Price 100rs short time. The motel is closed to the house.
Here's a video.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liRHp1YeQG0[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks, good info and a nice video. I will definitely check it out.
Btw, the bairro is called José Walter.

Hi mongers.

I've never been to this boate, but it was closed last October, and I don't now if it's actually open.

You can read the paper "U Povo" 29/10/2010 and reader's comment.

Waiting for other news.

[url]http://www.opovo.com.br/app/fortaleza/2010/10/29/noticiafortaleza[/url].2058096 / policia-fecha-casa-de-prostituicao-no-jose-walter. Shtml

[QUOTE=Forty; 1192955]Hi mongers.

I've never been to this boate, but it was closed last October, and I don't now if it's actually open.

You can read the paper "U Povo" 29/10/2010 and reader's comment.

Waiting for other news.

[url]http://www.opovo.com.br/app/fortaleza/2010/10/29/noticiafortaleza[/url]

2058096 / policia-fecha-casa-de-prostituicao-no-jose-walter. Shtml[/QUOTE]I'm sorry, but the link don't show the page.

I've read this page from Google search " Boate Portao Preto Fortaleza". , You have to choose "[url]www.opovo.com.br/./fortaleza/./noticiafortaleza./poli.[/url].

29 out. 2010 – É triste saber que hoje them Fortaleza existe mais 36 garotas desempregadas. Será? Fecharam o portão preto e concerteza hoje mesmo elas."

Hope this helps. Forty

[QUOTE=Forty;1192957]I'm sorry, but the link don't show the page.[/QUOTE]
Try:
http://www.opovo.com.br/app/fortaleza/2010/10/29/noticiafortaleza,2058096/policia-fecha-casa-de-prostituicao-no-jose-walter.shtml

Some alternatives from the comments in the article: Haven't sampled myself, any information welcome:

Não se preocupem andão meus colegas, adeptos do referido estabelecimento, elas vão se mudar lá pro 2020."Don't worry, they will move to 2020"

A casa the Vicente Leite continua bombando!"the house at Vicente Leite is still going"

E o CONHECIDÍSSIMO casarão na Rua Vicente Leite, andão vão lá fechar andão?"and the very well known house at Rua Vicente Leite, are they not going to close that?

Fecharam o portão preto e concerteza hoje mesmo elas estarão na Belissima (vicente leite 2020) , ou na langerie (perto no nort shoping) ou no 90 (Av tristão gonsalves)

Don't worry mongers it's already open.

[QUOTE=Baggio67; 1192832]I am sure YouTube will remove that video soon and ban that YouTube account.

Watch it while you can folks![/QUOTE]You are right. I guess no one flagged it yet. I used the Fire Fox add-on called Download Helper to download the MP4 version from YouTube. Thanks for the link guys, I'll watch the full 7mins later.

Years ago, you could never have stealthily shot a video inside such a place this easily. And you certainly would not have been able to share it with the world. Got to love technology!

Is it possible to add a link of another site?

It's a complete guide of Fortaleza's hitting places.

Rsrsrsrs

[blue]====================================

If it's a link to a website that does [u]NOT[/u] have a forum, then YES.

It it's a link to a website [u]WITH[/u] a forum, then NO!

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

What's the story with the raid and closure on Forro Mambo and Cafe do mar?

Story in Portuguese:

[url]http://glo.bo/vfFBYI[/url]

Story in Google Translated English:

[url]http://bit.ly/sE33mP[/url]

I've heard rumors of "cleaning up" Iracema for some time due to the aquarium being built and the prospect of more businesses taking advantage of the great location. Is this a temporary setback for our favorite bars, or a more permanent problem?

I heard from a local source that the clubs have reopened, but further raids are planned. I was told they want to shut down the "hooker bars". Be aware guys, have some sort of identification on you and be polite to the government folks. Anyone who has been through a raid, speak up, let us know what a gringo can do to avoid a hassle.

Dev.

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo; 1210431]What's the story with the raid and closure on Forro Mambo and Cafe do mar?

Story in Portuguese:

[url]http://glo.bo/vfFBYI[/url]

Story in Google Translated English:

[url]http://bit.ly/sE33mP[/url]

I've heard rumors of "cleaning up" Iracema for some time due to the aquarium being built and the prospect of more businesses taking advantage of the great location. Is this a temporary setback for our favorite bars, or a more permanent problem?[/QUOTE]

Has anyone been to Canoa Quebrada? If so is there any P4P action there? Thanks!

[QUOTE=Brother P;1212296]Has anyone been to Canoa Quebrada? If so is there any P4P action there? Thanks![/QUOTE]Yes; I've been there and there is very little PoP. Althought, like ALL Brasilian cities, some PoP can be found, but you going to spead A LOT of time looking for it!

[QUOTE=Dwilso39;1212412]Yes; I've been there and there is very little PoP. Althought, like ALL Brasilian cities, some PoP can be found, but you going to spead A LOT of time looking for it![/QUOTE]Cab drivers are a great resource and if there is action they will probably know where it is.

Garotoz

[quote=devileyes; 1211661]i heard from a local source that the clubs have reopened, but further raids are planned. i was told they want to shut down the "hooker bars". be aware guys, have some sort of identification on you and be polite to the government folks. anyone who has been through a raid, speak up, let us know what a gringo can do to avoid a hassle.

dev.[/quote]thanks for the info. some entrepreneurial types should be planning the post-mambo fortaleza garota experience now. when help went down in rio, there were already plenty of other options which have continued to thrive. fortaleza? not much else besides the forro mambo, zipi, and (to a lesser extent) other bars near forro. not sure why a prive scene at least, or a terma setup, couldn't survive. i'm sure the authorities are worried about drugs, **** possibilities, etc, but they may let an official scene live on with a more formal process for setting up the businesses (and probably paying officials in some format or another).

[QUOTE=Brother P;1212296]Has anyone been to Canoa Quebrada? If so is there any P4P action there? Thanks![/QUOTE]
Yes, there are. The last years the number of pro´s have increased.

Canoa is a very small place. Everything happens on the main street in less than a dozen bars/"clubs" stretched out on 150 metres. Everybody knows who f*cks around with whom.

In Canoa you have four types of girls (with "local" I mean girls from Canoa, Aracati and Mossoró):
1. Girls with no interest in f*cking with gringos.
2. Local regular girls who chase gringos without charging for sex.
3. Local girls and Fortaleza girls who are plain pro's.
4. Local girls who f*cks around, sometimes they do it for free and sometimes charging.

If you're a newbie it might be a bit confusing in the beginning to differ which girls are pro's and which ain't. If you observe the action for a while it becomes quite easy to point out the pro´s. However, don't worry. The Canoa-pro's draws to new arrived gringos like flies on shit.

Start the evening in Bar Todo Mundo or Canoa Central and later move down to Gruta.
Fridays and Saturdays are best. During the week Canoa can be quite dead.

Note 1: Canoa is propably one of the easiest places in Brazil to get laid for free. I have never wasted a centavo in Canoa to have sex.
Note 2: Be careful of who you bring home at night. It's not unusual with girls coming from the neighbouring cities to Canoa, on the weekends, with only bad intentions. When you sleep they might clean out your room, use Boa Noite Cinderela or have a couple of amigos who will rob you.
Note 3: I've been coming to Canoa for the last 20 years and only had problem once. Actually this year. Two girls followed me home to the house I rented. We had a nice threesome for free. After the girls left I noticed my phone was missing. After some confusion and some threats from their scumbag male friends I got the phone back with assistance from the local PM.
[QUOTE=Garotoz;1212416]Cab drivers are a great resource and if there is action they will probably know where it is.
Garotoz[/QUOTE]
Good luck asking the taxidrivers in Canoa. There are no taxis in Canoa (only mini-vans/topics going from Canoa to Aracati). The place is so small that you walk from one end to the other in 5-10 minutes.

Thanks for the input!

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1212516]Yes, there are. The last years the number of pro's have increased.

Canoa is a very small place. Everything happens on the main street in less than a dozen bars/"clubs" stretched out on 150 metres. Everybody knows who f*cks around with whom.

In Canoa you have four types of girls (with "local" I mean girls from Canoa, Aracati and Mossoró) :

1. Girls with no interest in f*cking with gringos.

2. Local regular girls who chase gringos without charging for sex.

3. Local girls and Fortaleza girls who are plain pro's.

4. Local girls who f*cks around, sometimes they do it for free and sometimes charging.

If you're a newbie it might be a bit confusing in the beginning to differ which girls are pro's and which ain't. If you observe the action for a while it becomes quite easy to point out the pro's. However, don't worry. The Canoa-pro's draws to new arrived gringos like flies on shit.

Start the evening in Bar Todo Mundo or Canoa Central and later move down to Gruta.

Fridays and Saturdays are best. During the week Canoa can be quite dead.

Note 1: Canoa is propably one of the easiest places in Brazil to get laid for free. I have never wasted a centavo in Canoa to have sex.

Note 2: Be careful of who you bring home at night. It's not unusual with girls coming from the neighbouring cities to Canoa, on the weekends, with only bad intentions. When you sleep they might clean out your room, use Boa Noite Cinderela or have a couple of amigos who will rob you.

Note 3: I've been coming to Canoa for the last 20 years and only had problem once. Actually this year. Two girls followed me home to the house I rented. We had a nice threesome for free. After the girls left I noticed my phone was missing. After some confusion and some threats from their scumbag male friends I got the phone back with assistance from the local PM.

Good luck asking the taxidrivers in Canoa. There are no taxis in Canoa (only mini-vans / topics going from Canoa to Aracati). The place is so small that you walk from one end to the other in 5-10 minutes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sperto;1212516]Yes, there are. The last years the number of pro´s have increased.[/QUOTE]How recent is this Canoa info? When exactly were you last there? Without first hand info, objective reports from considered sources (such as yours) are helpful. Looking to escape the Rio spring rains for a week, planning to wait out arrival of summer in the Nordeste. Girls e-mails from Fortaleza indicate they're not going anywhere, but will see.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1212759]How recent is this Canoa info? When exactly were you last there? Without first hand info, objective reports from considered sources (such as yours) are helpful. Looking to escape the Rio spring rains for a week, planning to wait out arrival of summer in the Nordeste. Girls e-mails from Fortaleza indicate they're not going anywhere, but will see.[/QUOTE]January / February 2011.

Just to add a liitle info club Mucuripe which is the Friday night spot in Fortaleza does have a pro-scene the women are a higher class than what you would find in Mambo or Zipi. The action is not in your face though with this being a regular club. Most of the working girls hangout on the main entrance area until the disco side opens at 2:00am. If anyone wants to check it out this Friday let me know I'm always looking for partners on the hunt.

[quote=jd garbanzo;1212429]some entrepreneurial types should be planning the post-mambo fortaleza garota experience not sure why a prive scene at least, or a terma setup, couldn't survive. i'm sure the authorities are worried about drugs, **** possibilities, etc, but they may let an official scene live on with a more formal process for setting up the businesses (and probably paying officials in some format or another).[/quote]this is total speculation and not even information. however well meant, it is worse than useless.

last sunday night, in front of zip's during peak time, a bp police suv was in front with several officers doing nothing, forro mambo downstairs was closed for renovation repair, it was said. the temporary closure it was said was on account of code violations. no reason to care about veracity. usual scene upstairs, thin talent pool with best choices showing up after 1:30. free entry for guys 11:30-12:30a. m. includes drink. 2-story place across the street was closed on this night.

I wouldn't expect too much of the future of the GP-action in Iracema, It has gone down the last years. If you look even further back, let say twenty years, it has fallen enourmous. Iracema used to have one of the greatest night-life in Brazil. Deck bar etc... The mixture was regular girls, pro's and piranhas. An excellent mixture.

Now we only have a small ho-crossing with a few bars and discos. It will be worse. The new Aquáro in Iracema and more cleaning up. More places will close down for sure.

Fortaleza isn't happy to be a sex-monger destination for horny europeans (read italians).

However, I don't see no need to worry. There will still be plenty of gringos and even more girls wanting to earn money. Fortaleza have plenty of regular girls and lots of girls who want to sell their goods. I'll continue to have my pic-up's on the beach.

[QUOTE=Golfinho; 1216167]This is total speculation and not even information. However well meant, it is worse than useless.

Last Sunday night, in front of Zip's during peak time, a BP police SUV was in front with several officers doing nothing, Forro Mambo downstairs was closed for renovation repair, it was said. The temporary closure it was said was on account of code violations. No reason to care about veracity. Usual scene upstairs, thin talent pool with best choices showing up after 1:30. Free entry for guys 11:30-12:30am Includes drink. 2-story place across the street was closed on this night.[/QUOTE]I'm suggesting some entrepreneurs plan for the future. There is an aquarium coming to Iracema and talk of cleaning up. What you experienced today doesn't mean it's there tomorrow. I hope it stays forever, but that's what I hoped for with "Help" too.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1216240]I wouldn't expect too much of the future of the GP-action in Iracema, It has gone down the last years. If you look even further back, let say twenty years, it has fallen enourmous. Iracema used to have one of the greatest night-life in Brazil. Deck bar etc. The mixture was regular girls, pro's and piranhas. An excellent mixture.

Now we only have a small ho-crossing with a few bars and discos. It will be worse. The new Aquáro in Iracema and more cleaning up. More places will close down for sure.

Fortaleza isn't happy to be a sex-monger destination for horny europeans (read italians).

However, I don't see no need to worry. There will still be plenty of gringos and even more girls wanting to earn money. Fortaleza have plenty of regular girls and lots of girls who want to sell their goods. I'll continue to have my pic-up's on the beach.[/QUOTE]I think you're right.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1212868]January / February 2011.[/QUOTE]31 Jan-1 Feb, or fifty nine days and fifty nine nights. A three-day weekend, one-time visit in this place is plenty enough time for a lifetime. Very ordinary. Unlike most Brazilian heinous tourist traps, this town has everyman pricing, affordable so everyone shows up. Nothing special here. Several bars on main street open late weekends, crowds of kids too young to already be missing teeth, yet there they are full of play. Sit in front of Caverna and snag one. Or several. Pousadas very guest visitor friendly. If this is your style, stay for two months, use the portuguese words you've absorbed, hit on shopgirls, troll the beach for pic-ups and live it up on the cheap. This being Brazil, if you sit in one place long enough, something good is bound to hove into view.

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo;1218466]I'm suggesting some entrepreneurs plan for the future. There is an aquarium coming to Iracema and talk of cleaning up. What you experienced today doesn't mean it's there tomorrow. I hope it stays forever, but that's what I hoped for with "Help" too.[/QUOTE]I'm suggesting speculation doesn't provide useful information for the present, much less the future. There are places to find women in this town as elsewhere. What you are saying today doesn't help anyone looking for them.

I'm reading these stories about bars being closed down in Fortaleza and Policia blitz's checking all the gringos in Iracema etc. No news.

Fortaleza is one of my, let say, five favourite cities in Brazil. I spend a lot of time in Fortaleza every year, partly business and partly (most part) holiday. Fortaleza is excellent. Because of the ho-crossing in Iracema? No?

I always enjoyed Iracema. The night scene. Sitting down at the Reggae bar, have a couple of cheap 600 ml cervejas, watching the street hustlers running around, the pick-pocket guys acting like vultures, the crack-ho's running after gringos, the cigarette guys with their boxes, the vulture-girls on the street calling for clients to their bar/restauarant, the midget on the corner calling for clients and trying to sell his "cheap tickets" to Pirata, the Polícia Militar passing by ignoring all the scum, the brazilian hillbillies passing by in their giant cars with loudspeakers blasting and later on seeing the working girls arriving.

First comes the ugly ones, the chubby girls, built like refrigerators and without no necks and with heads squared like TV's. Then comes the *unmentionable ones*, who still manage to fool gringos. Later on comes the hord of normal working pro's. Finally comes the top-class pro's. They enter Forró Mamboo and comes out quicker than I can take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], hand on hand with a client.

It's not only the pro's that offers the entertainmet. You have the italian old-timers, old guys sitting down for a beer with their friends, "arguing" in italian about god knows what. Later on arrives their young fellow country-men on scooters or in taxis. Quite often getting robbed even before getting out of their taxis.

Iracema is fun, it's entertainment. However if you wan't to buy sexual services, make a good choice. Don't choose one of the hardcore's. Have patient and take your pick very carefully.

I spend a couple of weeks in Fortaleza every year. I get my share of p*ssies, but not mainly in Iracema. The ho-crossing in Iracema means nothing to me.

Fortaleza have much more to offer:
1. The non-pro night scene is very good. Enough said of that part. The less gringos the better. Sorry!
2. Centro. The centro, daytime, is filled with non-pro girl from the suburbs.
3. The beaches. IMO the best place for picking up-pro's at a bargain price or non-pro girls.
4. Your girlfriend.

Maybe option 4 needs an explanation? There are thousands of women in Fortaleza with boyfriends abroad. These guys are paying their GF's regulary. They don't have to work in Iracema. They can enjoy life. If they can have fun with a guy that they enjoys they will.

Having sex with women that are married/engaged with their boyfriends abroad, or working, is very convenient. The boyfriends are just, sugar-daddies or cows to be milked. My favourite girls are actually not the ones with italian boyfriends, but the ones with french boyfriends. At one visit in Fortaleza I had four fuck-friends, all with french boyfriends. Thanks, France.

So my advice is: widen your horizons and get laid for free in Fortaleza. Another option would be getting a GF in Fortaleza, support her and let me have a go at her. :D

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1218471]31 Jan-1 Feb, or fifty nine days and fifty nine nights.[/QUOTE]Not that I can see how it matters, but I stayed fror 6 days on my last visit. I like Canoa a lot, but I would never stay longer than a week.

Chaps, hoping to go to fortaleza in April and wanted to know where are the best places during the day and the evening to pick up the ladies.

Also which hotels do you recommend. Needed to know also can you communicate with the locals if you don't know portuguese?

Thanks. Look forward to your replies chaps.

[QUOTE=Javman786;1229817]Chaps, hoping to go to fortaleza in April and wanted to know where are the best places during the day and the evening to pick up the ladies.[/QUOTE]How about reading one or two pages of this thread?

[QUOTE=Javman786;1229817]Needed to know also can you communicate with the locals if you don't know portuguese?[/QUOTE]That would be impossible. They don't even understand bodylanguage.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1218667]I always enjoyed Iracema. night scene. Reggae bar, have couple of cheap 600 ml cervejas, watching street hustlers, pick-pocket guys[/QUOTE]There you go. Explained it. Functioning on less than a. 15 alcohol blood content would be bored out of your skull. Actually most of Brazil is best handled with not less than a 'couple of cheap 600 ml cervejas'. To mazimize the experience. Even so. 20 years of this? Haven't the american fast food franchises reached everywhere yet, or are there still more favorite cities yet to be discovered in the course of your 'work'

This will be my first time in Brazil so fogive me chap. When you say the beaches are the best places to pick up the ladies. Can you name the.

Best beaches, are there particular times to go and can you recommend the best termas places if you know any?

Thanks Sperto.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1230106]There you go. Explained it. Functioning on less than a. 15 alcohol blood content would be bored out of your skull. Actually most of Brazil is best handled with not less than a 'couple of cheap 600 ml cervejas'. To mazimize the experience. Even so. 20 years of this? Haven't the american fast food franchises reached everywhere yet, or are there still more favorite cities yet to be discovered in the course of your 'work'[/QUOTE]
Golfinho, you were quite a bore even before you changed your alias from Zingadoon.
I prefer to have a 600 ml beer for half the price of a 300 ml longneck. I share the information about the Reggae bar because it can be useful to other forum members.
If you have problem with that, just press the button:
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Oh yes, there are plenty of favourite cities that I don't mention on the forum. Mainly because I would dislike to see old bores like you there.
Cheers, and please press the button once more. :D
[QUOTE=Javman786;1230111]This will be my first time in Brazil so fogive me chap. When you say the beaches are the best places to pick up the ladies. Can you name the.
Best beaches, are there particular times to go and can you recommend the best termas places if you know any?
Thanks Sperto.[/QUOTE]
Head to Praia do Futuro, Croco beach, or Beira Mar, around McDonalds.
Forget termas in Fortaleza.

Thanks Sperto!

Also need some help on the hotel side if you can recommend any please?

[QUOTE=Javman786; 1230491]Thanks Sperto!

Also need some help on the hotel side if you can recommend any please?[/QUOTE]Ok I will jump in here. Most top level hotels will charge you for a "guest" to visit with you for a night. This can range from about 20 BR all the way to 200 BR. Most of my fellow travelers will suggest an apartment. I agree. Read this thread for details on how to rent a short term apartment. If you are going to go with a hotel, the Casa Blanca will serve you will. Read my review on this hotel I wrote a few years ago. If you want something else, I stay at the IBIS. It will cost you 20 extra there, but it is not a bad place. New info on the IBIS, they removed the in-room safes now and you can only secure your valuables behind the front desk.

So Money is no option:

Holiday Inn.

Luzeiros.

If you need to keep it cheap:

Casa Blanca.

IBIS.

I know there are many more, but I have no experience at those locations.

Dev

Thanks Devileyes!

Ok chaps,

Which apartments can you recommend instead of hotels then please.

Thanks

The site [url]http://www.photoatnight.com/[/url] Used to be a great place to find pics of all these places like Zipi's, Armazem etc. For quite some time this site is being very lame, only a few updates, and they have kicked out the "tourist places".

Any of you know a place to find pics of these bars other than photoatnight? I have seen a collection of Armazem photos, but can't find it any more.

Photos attached were from Iracema bars, the girl with jeans on "girls2011" has been working for years now, I spent some time with her in 2005 when she was a very cute hot young GDP.

A short update on the Fortaleza scene.

GENERAL:
* Much less rain than usually in January.
* There are lots of brazilian tourists in Fortaleza. Less gringos than usual. It seems like most gringos consist of italians with an average-age of 60 plus.
* Fortaleza is changing a lot. Iracema is going through some big changes. The whole calçadão area is getting very pretty. The construction of the Aquarium hasn´t started yet. I would expect closing of more GP-bars/clubs.
* Apartment prices from R$60 for a nice apartment in the Iracema area.

PRO-SCENE, NIGHT-TIME:
* PRICES: It seems like standard that the girls ask for R$150 at the clubs. Negotiate and don´t pay more than maximum of R$80. Streetwalkers are cheaper.
* "Ho-crossing", clubs: Cafe del Mar and Forro & Mambo. Cafe del Mar seems to have lost most of their customers, very empty. At Forro & Mambo it´s only the upper part that is working right now. Less people than it used to be. Mixed quality.
* "Ho-crossing", bars: The Reggae Bar and two bars with Dutch names.
* "Ho-crossing", nearby: Zipi Bar. Zipi Bar starts earlier, around 10 PM. The good news are that they are no longer charging any entrance and the place is often crowded. The bad news is that the quality has gone down a lot. It takes a lot of searching to find a stunner.
* Armazem: Wednesdays, ho-night. The usual GP´s from Iracema and "once-a-week-pro's". Also here it´s less people than it used to be.
* Crocobeach: Thursday, party evening. Mixture of mainly regular girls and some GP´s. It has gone downhill even more.

PRO-SCENE, DAY-TIME, CENTRO:
* Praça dos Martires: About a dozen old and very ugly women hanging out.
* The market-square on Rua General Sampaio. Very few SW and bottom-low quality.
* Espaço Show: Praça dos Martires. Low-end place with strip-tease and GP´s.

PRO-SCENE, PRIVÊS, CENTRO:
There are lots of privês in Centro. This year I only tried 4 of them.
* Rua Pedro Pereira 950: Up the stairs, white door. R$25/30 minutes. Only 2 girls. Fat and ugly.
* Rua Pedro Pereira 1252: A house with a gate. R$25/30 minutes. 4 girls. Three of them are giant monster women. The fourth was quite a cute blond girl. A weird house filled with at least 5 dogs and some cats running loose.
* Rua General Sampaio 682, sala 205: End of the corridor. R$25/30 minutes. 5 girls. Very fun girls.
I recommend: Amanda: 19 yo law student, cute, nice ass, excellent BBBJ.
* Rua Melvin Jones 73, sala 114: The guy in the stairs is the security guy, he´ll inform you which girls are working. Between 2-5 girls working. R$35/30 minutes.
I recommend:
Bia, 18 yo, cute, happy, quite tall, round and nice ass.
Gabriella, 18 yo, cute, very firm and nice body, a bit unexperienced.

PRO-SCENE, BEACH:
* Praia do Futuro: It´s hard to find GP´s at Praia do Futuro. Try Croco Beach but don´t expect anything at all.
* Beira-Mar: The beach and the barracas in front of McDonalds. A handful of GP´s. Mixed quality.

PRO-SCENE, OTHER:
* I prefer session at a privê in centro or picking up a GP on the beach. You shouldn´t pay more than maximum R$50 to the beach-GP´s.

NON-PRO-SCENE:
* Fortaleza still has a good regular night-life.
My old favourite has always been Mucuripe Club on Fridays. Huge place, 4 pistas and lots of people. Mostly white middle- and upperclass girls. Unfortunately the quality has gone down at Mucuripe. More gringos have appeared and also some GP´s.
Entrance R$ 35. Beer R$ 5-6.
http://www.mucuripe.com.br/
* Dragao do Mar: Nice realexed bars. Good for meeting regular girls.
* The most beautiful girls in Fortaleza are definitely not the GP´s, but the regular girls. It´s not hard work meeting regular girls in Fortaleza.
* Where to meet the non-pro´s: You´ll meet them in centro, buses, markets, on the beach or when strolling in Iracema or Beira Mar. Local girls or tourist girls from Rio, Sao Paulo, Brasilia or BH.

FINAL NOTES:
* The stunners in Fortaleza are a minority. The majority are the typical nordestinas, short, overweighted, big squared heads and without necks.
* Fortaleza has lost a lot when it comes to the pro-scene. Fewer clubs, less girls and lower quality. The prices are however still good.
* My advice: Go mainly for the regular girls and don´t expect to much of the GP-scene.
* Try the privês in Centro. I´ve only tried a handful but there are plenty of them.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1242851]A short update on the Fortaleza scene.

"Apartment prices from R$60 for a nice apartment in the Iracema area."

Sperto, thanks a lot for all this useful information.

Could you give me any specific names and adresses for this kind of apartment your are mentioning.

Regards.

Laroche

[QUOTE=Laroche; 1243348]

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1242851]A short update on the Fortaleza scene.

"Apartment prices from R$60 for a nice apartment in the Iracema area."

Sperto, thanks a lot for all this useful information.

Could you give me any specific names and adresses for this kind of apartment your are mentioning.

Regards.

Laroche[/QUOTE]There are lots of agencies that rents out apartments. Several agencies are already mentioned in this thread.

The best deals you'll get if you manage to contact the apartment owner directly, no middlehands.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1242851]* Rua General Sampaio 682, sala 205: End of the corridor. R$25/30 minutes. 5 girls. Very fun girls.

I recommend: Amanda: 19 yo law student, cute, nice ass, excellent BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Update: Unfortunately Amanda doesn't work there anymore. Her colleagues got jealous, and beat her up and kicked her out of the privê. During the two weeks she worked there she got almost all the customers. Younger, cuter, better body and giving just amazing BBBJ's.

I'm happy I had the opportunity to session with her twice.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1242851]A short update on the Fortaleza scene.

GENERAL:

* Much less rain than usually in January.

* There are lots of brazilian tourists in Fortaleza. Less gringos than usual. It seems like most gringos consist of italians with an average-age of 60 plus.

* Fortaleza is changing a lot. Iracema is going through some big changes.

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FINAL NOTES:

* The stunners in Fortaleza are a minority. The majority are the typical nordestinas, short, overweighted, big squared heads and without necks.

* Fortaleza has lost a lot when it comes to the pro-scene. Fewer clubs, less girls and lower quality. The prices are however still good.

* My advice: Go mainly for the regular girls and don't expect to much of the GP-scene.

* Try the privês in Centro. I've only tried a handful but there are plenty of them.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for the update Sperto. For sure Fortaleza is definitely not what it used to be. I would imagine with the Euro being down, there aren't as many Italians, vacationing either.

Still a decent place to visit, but my semi-pro / pro GDP expectations from my recent visits, also have been tempered. Alot. Anyway like most things in Brazil these days, just enjoy it while it lasts.

After 1 month Cartagena vacations were I found the girls were more expensive and business-like.

I want to come back to fortaleza asap. Last time I was in May, wondering if in June / July is more crowded?

Hi everybody, I'm enjoying the talk here I will be in Fortaleza for 2 weeks in March travelling alone. Obviously want to enjoy the beach, also looking to get laid as much as I can. I Have been reading the reports and have an idea of whats going on there, its my first time to Brazil but been many times to South America and Caribbean so I think I know how to engage with the ladies. I can speak good spanish and portugues. Is anyone going there the first two weeks of March? Is someone living there right now that has some advice on places? I'm looking for free hot brazilian girls (what a surprise eh?) LOL Hope I get some reply.

Peace

I read about the following place but it seems everyone already knows the addresses. When I put it into google so many places pop up, can someone provide addresses for these places that are so popular.

Forrò Mambo.

Reggae Bar.

Zipi Bar.

Cafe del Mar

[QUOTE=JayDee79; 1248307]Hi everybody, I'm enjoying the talk here I will be in Fortaleza for 2 weeks in March travelling alone. Obviously want to enjoy the beach, also looking to get laid as much as I can. I Have been reading the reports and have an idea of whats going on there, its my first time to Brazil but been many times to South America and Caribbean so I think I know how to engage with the ladies. I can speak good spanish and portugues. Is anyone going there the first two weeks of March? Is someone living there right now that has some advice on places? I'm looking for free hot brazilian girls (what a surprise eh?) LOL Hope I get some reply.

Peace[/QUOTE]Hello,

Would have liked to have met up with you but I'm not in fortaleza until 30th March. Have a good time!

[QUOTE=Anotherlevel; 1249324]I read about the following place but it seems everyone already knows the addresses. When I put it into google so many places pop up, can someone provide addresses for these places that are so popular.

Forrò Mambo.

Reggae Bar.

Zipi Bar.

Cafe del Mar[/QUOTE]Forro and Mar is opposite one another, Reggae is at the beginning of the same street, and Zipi is a two minute walkind distance from the beforementioned places.

[QUOTE=Fronyl;1249721]Forro and Mar is opposite one another, Reggae is at the beginning of the same street, and Zipi is a two minute walkind distance from the beforementioned places.[/QUOTE]Google Earth:

"Ground Zero"

Lattitude: 3°43'11. 63"S.

Longitude : 38°30'57. 67"W

I just got here afew days ago for 2 monthes or so of work. Didn't take long to find afew of the places mentioned here, reggae bar and zip bar are both nice and easy to meet local talent. Starts real late as is usual in these parts. I don't speak any portugese but smile plenty and am not shy to buy a girl a drink. Makes it easy enough. First night in zip bar took a pro back to my place, in side door to avoid paying anything. Last niht met a frindly local who spoke decent english and just wanted to practice on me, english and blowjob skills. Well worth afew hours of chatting. I see plenty of easy to talk to girls here. Wish I spoke more portugese. Love asain style massage palors usually, any ideas around here for a decent massage, happy ending or not, just a cute girl and good rubdown, never said no to a happy ending though, haha. Monger on safely all, and to all a good hunt.

[QUOTE=SmoothSailor;1254382]I just got here afew days ago for 2 monthes or so of work. Didn't take long to find afew of the places mentioned here, reggae bar and zip bar are both nice and easy to meet local talent. Starts real late as is usual in these parts. I don't speak any portugese but smile plenty and am not shy to buy a girl a drink. Makes it easy enough. First night in zip bar took a pro back to my place, in side door to avoid paying anything. Last niht met a frindly local who spoke decent english and just wanted to practice on me, english and blowjob skills. Well worth afew hours of chatting. I see plenty of easy to talk to girls here. Wish I spoke more portugese. Love asain style massage palors usually, any ideas around here for a decent massage, happy ending or not, just a cute girl and good rubdown, never said no to a happy ending though, haha. Monger on safely all, and to all a good hunt.[/QUOTE]Fancy a beer and a partner in crime? I am in Fortaleza on buisness and am proper bored.

David. 28 UK

[QUOTE=BabyShambles83; 1256295]Fancy a beer and a partner in crime? I am in Fortaleza on buisness and am proper bored.

David. 28 UK[/QUOTE]Hi there, name is chris. 43yo gringo. I'm at marina park hotel. Like to meet a partner in crime. I will be at the reggae bar 9pm tonite if you want a beer. I'm here for next few monthes working also. Goin to the beach with some locals today I met on plenty of fish. Should be interesting. Call if you want or cya in the cool little reggae bar tonite, or tomm nite at 8or9. Chris [blue][Telephone Number deleted by Admin][/blue]

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[QUOTE=BabyShambles83; 1256295]Fancy a beer and a partner in crime? I am in Fortaleza on buisness and am proper bored.

David. 28 UK[/QUOTE]Went to reggae bar tonite til it started raining. Will go again next few nites around 9. Going to try afew massage / GDP places I see int eh local paper tommorow. Monger on.

I sit at the street side of the little bar and love the caiprinhas.

Lots of talent around the area there. I saw an ad for a hourly hotel / notel near there. Would rather use that then bring anyone else to my place. Saw the last chica looking around my place while I took a 40 second shower.

In Zipi, Mambo and Cafè del mar smoking is forbidden or not?

Thanks

I have never been to Fortaleza. I know this is a STRANGE question. But do the beaches how PUBLIC SHOWERS?

Yes the beaches have open showers every so often. Going to the pria seems to a the second national sport. Soom beaches are full of people but nobody going into the sea. Its more about tanning and walking the boardwalk. Alot of beachside cafes and activity. Very third world here.

Good day all and TgIF! Headed out for another night on the town tonite. Ripe pickins around here. Another thing I have had good luck, and other places, is plenty of fish, the free dating website. I thought it was just in the states and have used it for years to meet ladies. I travel alot and this makes it easy. I just changed my city to fortaleza and there is THOUSANDS of little braziliam fiskies lookin to meet. Too bad I have no portugese, I just chat with the girls who say something in english on their profiles. Have met 2 lovely ladies, one a massuse, sadly legit, and another I have been seeing quite abit of. Just a help a looong way from home.

Still looking for a good massage place like is everywhere in florida. With a happy ending of course.

Everyone watch your ass here, especially late night. I learned to keep some change in my pocket to spread around to anyone askin for a handout. It means nothing to us, and will turn a maybe ugly encounter into a smile and tchau.

[QUOTE=SmoothSailor;1268712]I learned to keep some change in my pocket to spread around to anyone askin for a handout.[/QUOTE]Not wise at all.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1268888]Not wise at all.[/QUOTE]I have found it to be much easier, and 50c or 2 reals means nada to me. Been here 6 weeks for work and have had two episode where someone, all drugged out, threatened me. I'm a big guy, very aware of my surroundings and never get toooo drunk. Still, the situation here in fortaleza is very grim and desperate. Lots of beggers, I don't give money away to everyone, other than the cute ladies. But I have found it makes things alot easier and at the end of each day I have a pocket full of change anyway. I certainly don't want to end up in a third world hospital but I always look for the easy way out of any situation.

Both assholes who threatened me backed off when I turned around and faced them down, one I picked up a brick and would have been happy to put him out of his misery. Now I walk into town early and take a cab back home when its later.

Good luck all, and stay safe.

Going to check out a massage place I heard about called 2020 bellisima today. Will report back. Supposed to be full of college girls working.

[QUOTE=SmoothSailor;1268975]I have found it to be much easier, and 50c or 2 reals means nada to me.[/QUOTE]It's not about the money. The majority of the beggars in Iracema are drug-addicted thieving scumbags. Giving them money will just encourage them to go on begging from other people.

I know its not about the money, its about me keeping myself from getting cut or stabbed in the innocent pursuit of the oldest hobby. Nothing I can say, do, give, not do, anything is going to change the sad situation here. Do you think if I don't give up some change they are going to snap to and turn to the path of goodness? I am just taking an easy way out of a shitty situation. I travel all over in the course of my job and have never had a problem like I have here in this shithole fortaleza. Can't wait to sail out of here. And the vast majority of women here in brazil are scary ugly and fat. Very differant to my expectations of brazil. Better safe than stabbed.

Good luck to all.

Oh. I'm leaving Saturday for Fortaleza, is the first time for me, read this report is very bad.

It has been an interesting six weeks here. Lots of women of all types available. I have had some very good looking girls off the street, they are everywhere! Especially after midnite, it seems there is one on every light post one street in from the beach, for miles, hahaa. Plenty of notell hotels here for 10-15r. Thats the way to o as its safe, and the girls know them all or you can find afew you know where they are and bring the girl. Been paying 50-70r for full covered service. No shortage of choice of girls. Just need to be careful walkin around, especially late or if you have had afew drinks. Lot of shady charactors here. I'm not a late night guy and thats when this place really comes to life. But after 9pm the streets are crawling with girls. Nobody speaks any english, but this is the oldest profession and doing the deal isn't hard at all, we have what they want, and they have what we want.

Enjoy, stay safe.

Going to a massage / cathouse called bellisema2020 today. Will post about it later.

Monger on.

Tchau

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1243515]Update: Unfortunately Amanda doesn't work there anymore. Her colleagues got jealous, and beat her up and kicked her out of the privê. During the two weeks she worked there she got almost all the customers. Younger, cuter, better body and giving just amazing BBBJ's.

I'm happy I had the opportunity to session with her twice.[/QUOTE]Hai, anybody knows where I could find Amanda at the moment?

Or any suggestions where I could find a girl in Forta that gives good blowjobs?

Hello everybody,

Does anybody has any good suggestions where to find a girl in Forta that gives good blowjobs?

Rgds,

Hans.

Just arrived at Fortaleza. Checked some hotels near ground zero. Here a photo of the business cards. I believe the size will be too reduced to see the phone numbers.

Great Hotel for R$ 145 plus 80 for visitor. Ocean view. Medium for about R% 80 plus 30. Crap for R$ 45 or so per night.

Met a bunch of people at 6 am, left over from last night.

If anyone wants to join me, leave your phone in a private message. I will check out some daytime casas, maybe only on Monday and check out the night clubs.

It has been about a year since I have been in fortaleza. Forro Mamba if it is still open is usually the place to go at night on most nights for gps or garotas de programa, putas. There is a little bar a few blocks away from forro mamba called zipi that they usually go to early in the night say from 9pm or so til about 11 or 12am. Late night most people are at forro mamba. On Wednesday night amarzon is the place for gps. Don't hold me to the spelling. During the day at the beach you can find some gps at the beach at barraca boa vida. Any taxi will know how to get to all of these places. Good luck hunting.

[QUOTE=HansStuurman; 1276818]Hello everybody,

Does anybody has any good suggestions where to find a girl in Forta that gives good blowjobs?

Rgds,

Hans.[/QUOTE]

I don't post often. I think you must be going to the wrong places and not reading the info available in the forum. Fortaleza has plenty of hot pfp and normal chicks. My ex, an normal chick was gorgeous and the pfp is also quite good in the fort as well. You must not have been to forro mamba, amarzon, barraca boa vida. Cocoa beach or croco beach during you stay. There is plenty of talent around.

[QUOTE=SmoothSailor; 1269093]I know its not about the money, its about me keeping myself from getting cut or stabbed in the innocent pursuit of the oldest hobby. Nothing I can say, do, give, not do, anything is going to change the sad situation here. Do you think if I don't give up some change they are going to snap to and turn to the path of goodness? I am just taking an easy way out of a shitty situation. I travel all over in the course of my job and have never had a problem like I have here in this shithole fortaleza. Can't wait to sail out of here. And the vast majority of women here in brazil are scary ugly and fat. Very differant to my expectations of brazil. Better safe than stabbed.

Good luck to all.[/QUOTE]

You can't go wrong following spertos advice in brasil. He is an expert on brasil. We owe much to sperto for his contributions and his education of the innocents. Cudos to you sperto.

[QUOTE=SmoothSailor; 1268975]I have found it to be much easier, and 50c or 2 reals means nada to me. Been here 6 weeks for work and have had two episode where someone, all drugged out, threatened me. I'm a big guy, very aware of my surroundings and never get toooo drunk. Still, the situation here in fortaleza is very grim and desperate. Lots of beggers, I don't give money away to everyone, other than the cute ladies. But I have found it makes things alot easier and at the end of each day I have a pocket full of change anyway. I certainly don't want to end up in a third world hospital but I always look for the easy way out of any situation.

Both assholes who threatened me backed off when I turned around and faced them down, one I picked up a brick and would have been happy to put him out of his misery. Now I walk into town early and take a cab back home when its later.

Good luck all, and stay safe.

Going to check out a massage place I heard about called 2020 bellisima today. Will report back. Supposed to be full of college girls working.[/QUOTE]

Just want to say thanks for all of your contributions sperto. I have traveled and spent a lot of time in brasil. Not as much as you, but my experiences have been pretty much the same as yours. Your posts seem to always be on point and consistent with my experiences particulary in the fort and your favorite spot manaus. Thanks again for looking out for the newbies.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1218667]I'm reading these stories about bars being closed down in Fortaleza and Policia blitz's checking all the gringos in Iracema etc. No news.

Fortaleza is one of my, let say, five favourite cities in Brazil. I spend a lot of time in Fortaleza every year, partly business and partly (most part) holiday. Fortaleza is excellent. Because of the ho-crossing in Iracema? No?

I always enjoyed Iracema. The night scene. Sitting down at the Reggae bar, have a couple of cheap 600 ml cervejas, watching the street hustlers running around, the pick-pocket guys acting like vultures, the crack-ho's running after gringos, the cigarette guys with their boxes, the vulture-girls on the street calling for clients to their bar / restauarant, the midget on the corner calling for clients and trying to sell his "cheap tickets" to Pirata, the Polícia Militar passing by ignoring all the scum, the brazilian hillbillies passing by in their giant cars with loudspeakers blasting and later on seeing the working girls arriving.

First comes the ugly ones, the chubby girls, built like refrigerators and without no necks and with heads squared like TV's. Then comes the *unmentionable ones, who still manage to fool gringos. Later on comes the hord of normal working pro's. Finally comes the top-class pro's. They enter Forró Mamboo and comes out quicker than I can take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], hand on hand with a client.

It's not only the pro's that offers the entertainmet. You have the italian old-timers, old guys sitting down for a beer with their friends,"arguing" in italian about god knows what. Later on arrives their young fellow country-men on scooters or in taxis. Quite often getting robbed even before getting out of their taxis.

Iracema is fun, it's entertainment. However if you wan't to buy sexual services, make a good choice. Don't choose one of the hardcore's. Have patient and take your pick very carefully.

I spend a couple of weeks in Fortaleza every year. I get my share of p*ssies, but not mainly in Iracema. The ho-crossing in Iracema means nothing to me.

Fortaleza have much more to offer:

1. The non-pro night scene is very good. Enough said of that part. The less gringos the better. Sorry!

2. Centro. The centro, daytime, is filled with non-pro girl from the suburbs.

3. The beaches. IMO the best place for picking up-pro's at a bargain price or non-pro girls.

4. Your girlfriend.

Maybe option 4 needs an explanation? There are thousands of women in Fortaleza with boyfriends abroad. These guys are paying their GF's regulary. They don't have to work in Iracema. They can enjoy life. If they can have fun with a guy that they enjoys they will.

Having sex with women that are married / engaged with their boyfriends abroad, or working, is very convenient. The boyfriends are just, sugar-daddies or cows to be milked. My favourite girls are actually not the ones with italian boyfriends, but the ones with french boyfriends. At one visit in Fortaleza I had four fuck-friends, all with french boyfriends. Thanks, France.

So my advice is: widen your horizons and get laid for free in Fortaleza. Another option would be getting a GF in Fortaleza, support her and let me have a go at her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jerseyajc;1277366]Just want to say thanks for all of your contributions sperto. I have traveled and spent a lot of time in brasil. Not as much as you, but my experiences have been pretty much the same as yours. Your posts seem to always be on point and consistent with my experiences particulary in the fort and your favorite spot manaus. Thanks again for looking out for the newbies.[/QUOTE]
Jerseyajc, thank you for your kind words. :)

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1218667]There are thousands of women in Fortaleza with boyfriends abroad. These guys are paying their GF's regulary. They don't have to work in Iracema. They can enjoy life. If they can have fun with a guy that they enjoys they will.

Having sex with women that are married / engaged with their boyfriends abroad, or working, is very convenient. The boyfriends are just, sugar-daddies or cows to be milked. My favourite girls are actually not the ones with italian boyfriends, but the ones with french boyfriends. At one visit in Fortaleza I had four fuck-friends, all with french boyfriends. Thanks, France.

So my advice is: widen your horizons and get laid for free in Fortaleza. Another option would be getting a GF in Fortaleza, support her and let me have a go at her. .[/QUOTE]Gentlemen,

What Sperto so nicely writes is true not only in Brazil, but in every country in the world. (Even for the part-time window student-girls in Amsterdam!)

So if you meet a pro or a non pro that you want to go serious with. Get her out of there as soon as possible.

And do not fool yourself that a non pro woman would be different.

You can support her, but she can / could still be doing the hustle with her local boyfriend / s when you are not there.

-Do you really want that on your bill?

So again in short:

If you find a girl that you fancy, then buy her a flight ticket to your city with a open return date on a tourist visa.

That way you will be the bull doing her, and she will be in an unfamiliar enviroment, where you have local eyes on your side, controlling the enviroment.

Meaning?

- There will be no milk for the cheapskates. (at least not on your part)

And if she was just playing you and don't want to engage sexually the same way like she did in asia / Southamerica / africa / whateverer. Then send her back.

- All in all a lot cheaper that sending money for nothing.

And if you are lucky and she behave the same in your house / bed as on your vaccation hotel, then you can both be the Bull and also drink the sweet milk that is called the good life.

Regarding what neighbours think about you bringing young girls to your house every 3-6 month?

What do you care about their oppinion? You are not a cow, but a BULL.

So please don't be naive, and please read sperto's true post one more time. Because it happens every day. 24-7.

Regards, Ken Apples

[QUOTE=Sperto;1218667]Having sex with women that are married/engaged with their boyfriends abroad, or working, is very convenient. The boyfriends are just, sugar-daddies or cows to be milked. My favourite girls are actually not the ones with italian boyfriends, but the ones with french boyfriends. At one visit in Fortaleza I had four fuck-friends, all with french boyfriends. Thanks, France.[/QUOTE]Are you sure their boy friend were french? There are not many french people going to fortaleza, mostly are italians. And why do you prefer girls with french boyfriends?

[QUOTE=Sebans;1277625]Are you sure their boy friend were french? There are not many french people going to fortaleza, mostly are italians. And why do you prefer girls with french boyfriends?[/QUOTE]
Of course I'm sure they were French. You're right about not many French goes to Fortaleza. The far majority are Italians as you says.
Why I prefer girls with French boyfriends? My experience is that French choose beautiful regular girls as girlfriends. Italians rather choose less good-looking GPs as girlfriends. Maybe it's not like this, but this is just my personal experience.

Good idea if she is able to obtain one.

It is very difficult for a Brasilian to obtain a travel visa, at least in re: to the US.

US embassy makes it extremely difficult.

Friend of mine did the fiancée visa, I think it gives 90 days to change your mind?

In his case they married and are still together.

Greengo.

[QUOTE=Ken_Apples; 1277555]Gentlemen,

What Sperto so nicely writes is true not only in Brazil, but in every country in the world. (Even for the part-time window student-girls in Amsterdam!)

So if you meet a pro or a non pro that you want to go serious with. Get her out of there as soon as possible.

And do not fool yourself that a non pro woman would be different.

You can support her, but she can / could still be doing the hustle with her local boyfriend / s when you are not there.

-Do you really want that on your bill?

So again in short:

If you find a girl that you fancy, then buy her a flight ticket to your city with a open return date on a tourist visa.

That way you will be the bull doing her, and she will be in an unfamiliar enviroment, where you have local eyes on your side, controlling the enviroment.

Meaning?

- There will be no milk for the cheapskates. (at least not on your part)

And if she was just playing you and don't want to engage sexually the same way like she did in asia / Southamerica / africa / whateverer. Then send her back.

- All in all a lot cheaper that sending money for nothing.

And if you are lucky and she behave the same in your house / bed as on your vaccation hotel, then you can both be the Bull and also drink the sweet milk that is called the good life.

Regarding what neighbours think about you bringing young girls to your house every 3-6 month?

What do you care about their oppinion? You are not a cow, but a BULL.

So please don't be naive, and please read sperto's true post one more time. Because it happens every day. 24-7.

Regards, Ken Apples[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Balluba; 790947]Just a deep diving into a hd I found a few photos not posted earlier. From cell-phone, not so good quality.

2 girls, the dark one I have seen working also this year, the "blond" I have not seen since 2006.

Photos from first floor of Cafe del Mar. Praia Iracema. In photo 3 You can see Europa and Bikini Bar in the background.

Both great girls with nice attitude. My opinion.

B[/QUOTE]Hi,

The blond girl is Gina, I spent many nights with her back in 2006 and 2007 (my last trip). Have you seen her around recently? I am afraid she is still under my skin.

Thanks,

Deux deux

[QUOTE=Ken_Apples; 1277555]Gentlemen,

What Sperto so nicely writes is true not only in Brazil, but in every country in the world. (Even for the part-time window student-girls in Amsterdam!)

So if you meet a pro or a non pro that you want to go serious with. Get her out of there as soon as possible.

And do not fool yourself that a non pro woman would be different.

You can support her, but she can / could still be doing the hustle with her local boyfriend / s when you are not there.

-Do you really want that on your bill?

So again in short:

If you find a girl that you fancy, then buy her a flight ticket to your city with a open return date on a tourist visa.

That way you will be the bull doing her, and she will be in an unfamiliar enviroment, where you have local eyes on your side, controlling the enviroment.

Meaning?

- There will be no milk for the cheapskates. (at least not on your part)

And if she was just playing you and don't want to engage sexually the same way like she did in asia / Southamerica / africa / whateverer. Then send her back.

- All in all a lot cheaper that sending money for nothing.

And if you are lucky and she behave the same in your house / bed as on your vaccation hotel, then you can both be the Bull and also drink the sweet milk that is called the good life.

Regarding what neighbours think about you bringing young girls to your house every 3-6 month?

What do you care about their oppinion? You are not a cow, but a BULL.

So please don't be naive, and please read sperto's true post one more time. Because it happens every day. 24-7.

Regards, Ken Apples[/QUOTE]Every now, and then while I skim thru different country threads that I like I see some real good info. Your post fits that bill. I have a Nica that has a Green card. I have been seeing her quite a few trips now. I finally told her to come see me at my home. As you say I offered a open ticket for her return. If the sexo is half as good as in Nicaragua then I will be a happy man.

Yes it is good to be a Bull, and not a Bobo.

I'm sorry guys I ve been reading the posts here but come on Fortaleza is history. People who have been ther like 5-10 years ago don't go and expect the same thing. The place got old and all the girls seem to be married up with an italian or spanish guy. Only the die hards still go to the 2/3 bars that are still open due to the recession. They ask prices that are hilarious like 150-200 reais for tln. Don't fool yourself this were the same girls that will go with you for 50-75 reais just 2 years ago. They got stuck up and the tourism got very sloww so the beaches and city are dead. I should skip this city and go more to the interior where happens more for more reasonable prices. And where they treat you like a rockstar bcoz they haven't been visted by so many tourists like fortaleza. Plus never mind that its a very dangerous city, just google up the crime rate. Nevertheless there are some nice cities close to frt that are worth mentioning.

Thanks for staying away. Just returned from Fortaleza and had a blast. Seriously fun time, packed Zipi and Mambo. Mostly with girls vs punters, which is the right ratio. Prices still good. Took a girl out and stayed with her 3 days / nights for 400 and some serious paixão.

[QUOTE=GreenAndYellow;1297202]I'm sorry guys I ve been reading the posts here but come on Fortaleza is history. People who have been ther like 5-10 years ago don't go and expect the same thing. The place got old and all the girls seem to be married up with an italian or spanish guy. Only the die hards still go to the 2/3 bars that are still open due to the recession. They ask prices that are hilarious like 150-200 reais for tln. Don't fool yourself this were the same girls that will go with you for 50-75 reais just 2 years ago. They got stuck up and the tourism got very sloww so the beaches and city are dead. I should skip this city and go more to the interior where happens more for more reasonable prices. And where they treat you like a rockstar bcoz they haven't been visted by so many tourists like fortaleza. Plus never mind that its a very dangerous city, just google up the crime rate. Nevertheless there are some nice cities close to frt that are worth mentioning.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo;1297387]Thanks for staying away. Just returned from Fortaleza and had a blast. Seriously fun time, packed Zipi and Mambo. Mostly with girls vs punters, which is the right ratio. Prices still good. Took a girl out and stayed with her 3 days / nights for 400 and some serious paixão.[/QUOTE]I agree things have changed over the last few years, but if you are creative and flexible, you can have a very fun time, negotiate a good price and have no needs to complain. Yes you need to be careful, duh. Yes these girls are playing you for the $, duh. Yes you the the most handsome gringo they ever met, duh. Thanks for the note Jd. I hope to be there in a week or so, I fully expect to find a way to have some fun.

Dev

Hi JD,

You're prob one of those owners of the 2/3 clubs left, hence you're post, come on please be honest to the persons from this forum, we just want information before we travel. I know, you need customers to stay alive with your business, but better pack your bags and head to an other place cause fortaleza is not the same bro, I know this and U know this so stop the propaganda, you know what I'm talking about, I'm an brasilian so I know what I'm talking about. It's sad that other people don't talk about the places that are hot right now to go just because they don't want then to be destroyed by Yanks and north americans, I'm sorry but it's a fact when a city in brasil get's a lot of nort american tourist that they destroy the place. But I'm telling you there are some places right now still alive like fortaleza back in the days, but you got to dig deeper if you know what I mean.

Jd Garbanzo.

Thanks for staying away. Just returned from Fortaleza and had a blast. Seriously fun time, packed Zipi and Mambo. Mostly with girls vs punters, which is the right ratio. Prices still good. Took a girl out and stayed with her 3 days / nights for 400 and some serious paixão.

Quote Originally Posted by GreenAndYellow [View Original Post]

I'm sorry guys I ve been reading the posts here but come on Fortaleza is history. People who have been ther like 5-10 years ago don't go and expect the same thing. The place got old and all the girls seem to be married up with an italian or spanish guy. Only the die hards still go to the 2/3 bars that are still open due to the recession. They ask prices that are hilarious like 150-200 reais for tln. Don't fool yourself this were the same girls that will go with you for 50-75 reais just 2 years ago. They got stuck up and the tourism got very sloww so the beaches and city are dead. I should skip this city and go more to the interior where happens more for more reasonable prices. And where they treat you like a rockstar bcoz they haven't been visted by so many tourists like fortaleza. Plus never mind that its a very dangerous city, just google up the crime rate. Nevertheless there are some nice cities close to frt that are worth mentioning.

[QUOTE=GreenAndYellow; 1301108]. We just want information before we travel.

But better pack your bags and head to an other place.

It's sad that other people don't talk about the places that are hot right now to go just because they don't want then to be destroyed by Yanks and north americans.

But I'm telling you there are some places right now still alive like fortaleza back in the days, but you got to dig deeper if you know what I mean.

Nevertheless there are some nice cities close to frt that are worth mentioning.[/QUOTE]Well, so what are YOU telling us? What is YOUR advice to all the mongers? If you claim to be Brazilian and hence an expert. Why don't YOU share your experiences? Don't you blame others for not contributing good advices if you are just doing the same.

[QUOTE=Pyjama;1301314]Well, so what are YOU telling us? What is YOUR advice to all the mongers? If you claim to be Brazilian and hence an expert. Why don't YOU share your experiences? Don't you blame others for not contributing good advices if you are just doing the same.[/QUOTE]Quote Originally Posted by GreenAndYellow [View Original Post]

We just want information before we travel. OkOK so give me some, looking at your post you haven't gave none.

But better pack your bags and head to an other place.

It's sad that other people don't talk about the places that are hot right now to go just because they don't want then to be destroyed by Yanks and north americans.

But I'm telling you there are some places right now still alive like fortaleza back in the days, but you got to dig deeper if you know what I mean.

Nevertheless there are some nice cities close to frt that are worth mentioning.

Well, so what are YOU telling us? What is YOUR advice to all the mongers? If you claim to be Brazilian and hence an expert. Why don't YOU share your experiences? Don't you blame others for not contributing good advices if you are just doing the same.

HMMM, okok, I'll share my experiences in the interior if you share you experiences? Because looking at your posts we haven't had any info of you, why you on this board, for sure you ain't not providing info. Yes I'm brazilian and PROUD. I'm telling you go to the interior and you will have a much better experience. Where are you staying, in ceara, or Rio grande de norte. If you tell me where you are I can tell you some nice places. Let's start with Mossoro, is a very nice city to meet amateurs, they will be very happy to meet an gringo like you and show you a good time, only if you speak portugeas a bit because english over there is the same as talking japanese in los angeles. So please stop attacking me with your posts and lets keep it real over here ok!

[QUOTE=GreenAndYellow;1303580]Because looking at your posts we haven't had any info of you, why you on this board, for sure you ain't not providing info.[/QUOTE]Maybe my informations are not useful to you, but try to read again, and you'll find my contributions, including pics and all. I have shared what I know, which you have not.
Brazilian Portuguese is not the problem, I've always made my way. And you are right, English is not what the average man no certao will understand...

Next stay will be in Santa Catarina and Parana, so forget about the north.

No fighting, please! You're both right.

What we need in this forum is new updated information. Everybody is just reporting about the same old stuff. Things changes quickly. Some people, including me, doesn't care about sharing new info because nobody else bothers to do it.

G.A.Y mentined Mossoró (Rio Grande do Norte). That's propably a very good suggestion. I've never been there, but propably 30% of the girls who opens up their legs for you in Canoa Quebrada comes from Mossoró.
Info like this is just what we need in this forum.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1303687]What we need in this forum is new updated information.[/QUOTE]OK, I experienced something I never have seen before. I was at the beach on Sunday. Futura, Boa Vida. After a few beers under an umbrella on the beach, I went back into the dinning / dancing area. It was loaded with tons of girls, with their families and even some with their kids. I felt like a chunk of meat dropped in a shark tank. Everywhere I looked I saw a girl who wanted to hook up. It was almost like a big night at mombo's. I left with a couple of phone numbers for later use and a hot blond (ish) chickie. In all these years I have never seen anything like it.

As for finding new places that are less famous, I would love to get that chance someday.

OK. So since I was free today, I returned to Boa Vida, to see if I was too drunk last time and submitted a bogus report. Nope, It was pretty much the same today (again. Sunday). Things got interesting after about 4:00pm in the shack where the band is playing. I found that eyes lock on you right away, if you are alone or with another gringo. You will need to go to them most likely, but I could not leave there without at least one hookup. I now know where I will spend my weekends. At the beach for lunch and back to the hotel for desert.

Dev

Agreed. Good info Green and Yellow. And, no, I don't own one of the triangle clubs =).

G&Y. What's your take on Maracanau or Caucaia for amateur possibilities (with Portuguese capabilities, of course)? I got into a relationship with a girl I met at Mambo in Fortaleza who is from Maracanau and I spent some time there with her last year. Saw lots of nice looking women around town and they definitely had their eye on me as an unusual sight as a gringo in the small town (also caught too many eyes from dudes looking like they wanted to kick my ass out of town and give their woman back).

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1303687]No fighting, please! You're both right.

What we need in this forum is new updated information. Everybody is just reporting about the same old stuff. Things changes quickly. Some people, including me, doesn't care about sharing new info because nobody else bothers to do it.

G. A. Y mentined Mossoró (Rio Grande do Norte). That's propably a very good suggestion. I've never been there, but propably 30% of the girls who opens up their legs for you in Canoa Quebrada comes from Mossoró.

Info like this is just what we need in this forum.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

Ok thank you guys, these 2 VILLAGES you mentioned are just 5 min drive to fortaleza, so I wouldn't really call it "Interior". Ok you could do some research for yourself but go the unbeaten path, a bit more "in the lands". Therre are ver very rare diamonds waiting for you. Hhahahah. Willl be next weekend in a very nice city for some business, I ight write a report of the situatgion over there.

Ohh yeah. P. S. DEVILEYES: I think you were just too drunk to really notice what was going on around you. LOL

Well, about 30 minutes from Iracema to Maracanau, with traffic. Would like to get into the interior, but I don't know my way around much, and all my Brasilian friends are GDPs, so can't rely on them to show me around the interior! Rsrsrsrs.

[QUOTE=GreenAndYellow; 1306175]Ok thank you guys, these 2 VILLAGES you mentioned are just 5 min drive to fortaleza, so I wouldn't really call it "Interior". Ok you could do some research for yourself but go the unbeaten path, a bit more "in the lands". Therre are ver very rare diamonds waiting for you. Hhahahah. Willl be next weekend in a very nice city for some business, I ight write a report of the situatgion over there.

Ohh yeah. P. S. DEVILEYES: I think you were just too drunk to really notice what was going on around you. LOL[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GreenAndYellow;1306175]Ohh yeah. P. S. DEVILEYES: I think you were just too drunk to really notice what was going on around you. LOL[/QUOTE]Yeah, It wouldn't have been the first time! :)

I am looking forward to some reports of "close" internal cities. As long as I can bargain with a taxi for a cheep ride!

[QUOTE=Jd Garbanzo;1308615]Well, about 30 minutes from Iracema to Maracanau, with traffic. Would like to get into the interior, but I don't know my way around much, and all my Brasilian friends are GDPs, so can't rely on them to show me around the interior! Rsrsrsrs.[/QUOTE]True Gabrbanzo, don't trust them Garotas to take you there, it could be maybe your last trip. LOL. Are you there right now, we could maybe do some drinks and head to a few nice cities, I'm staying 3 more days here. Do you know some portugeas, where you from, Italy?

[QUOTE=Devileyes; 1309088]Yeah, It wouldn't have been the first time! .

I am looking forward to some reports of "close" internal cities. As long as I can bargain with a taxi for a cheep ride![/QUOTE]don't think a taxi will work put for you, don't you made any friends over there that have a car. Try to take a brasilian with a car with you who you trust. Taxis are garbage, imagine how much a taxi would quote you if you want to rent hom for 2-3 days. Better offer an friend over there a little trip that ypou will pay his expenses and let him take you. The distance are pretty big, as you know it is a pretty big country.

SmoothSailor,

Could you give the name of the website of datingsite?

[QUOTE=SmoothSailor; 1268712]Good day all and TgIF! Headed out for another night on the town tonite. Ripe pickins around here. Another thing I have had good luck, and other places, is plenty of fish, the free dating website. I thought it was just in the states and have used it for years to meet ladies. I travel alot and this makes it easy. I just changed my city to fortaleza and there is THOUSANDS of little braziliam fiskies lookin to meet. Too bad I have no portugese, I just chat with the girls who say something in english on their profiles. Have met 2 lovely ladies, one a massuse, sadly legit, and another I have been seeing quite abit of. Just a help a looong way from home.

Still looking for a good massage place like is everywhere in florida. With a happy ending of course.

Everyone watch your ass here, especially late night. I learned to keep some change in my pocket to spread around to anyone askin for a handout. It means nothing to us, and will turn a maybe ugly encounter into a smile and tchau.[/QUOTE]What's the name of the datingsite?

[QUOTE=Brasileiro1982;1310659]What's the name of the datingsite?[/QUOTE]Its called "Plenty of Fish" LOL

[QUOTE=Brasileiro1982; 1310658]SmoothSailor,

Could you give the name of the website of datingsite?[/QUOTE]It's plenty of fish.

Strange reports in this thread.
It must be kids having summer holiday.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1310993]Strange reports in this thread.

It must be kids having summer holiday.[/QUOTE]Stupid me. There is really a dating site called Plenty of fish.

Good evening to everyone,

I'm going to Brazil for holyday for next two weeks, I'll spend only four days in Fortaleza at Othon Palace hotel, do you know if this hotel is girl friendly? Usually I prefer escort not girl from the bar, do you think that this website.

[url]www.garotavip.com.br[/url]

Is reliable? Thank you

[QUOTE=GreenAndYellow;1310616]don't think a taxi will work put for you, don't you made any friends over there that have a car. Try to take a brasilian with a car with you who you trust. Taxis are garbage, imagine how much a taxi would quote you if you want to rent hom for 2-3 days. Better offer an friend over there a little trip that ypou will pay his expenses and let him take you. The distance are pretty big, as you know it is a pretty big country.[/QUOTE]I agree. I wish I had more time to develop friendships like that. Of course with some luck I can find a way to get there. Friends can be found. :)

[QUOTE=Genio Della; 1158219]Hi guys,

Pardon for the delay but here is my report of a 2 weeks travel in fortaleza in January.

It was the second time in there and I must admit that situation now is not very good, a lot

Of girls were missing and the whole panorama was not so interesting very much has changed in two years,

First night I was in Mambo, I've never been there before, there were a lot of girls but most of them were.

Seven and there were 2 or 3 eight but no stunners at all! I waited for some girl to catch my attention there

Was one dark skinned very gook body I wanted to stay a night and after some discussions I told.

Here I would pay 80 she was interested in me and so we made it. In the room she was crazy we made sex 4 or 5 times I don't remember but that's not a new with brazilian girls. After some days I spotted a very good looking girl sitting in a table at beiramar, she wasn't looking at me so I blinked.

An eye to her friend which I finally discovered to be a trans, but no worries my target was the other.

To summarize this girls was engaged with an old italian lawyer that was in fortaleza but I didn't care. I went one day out with her but I didn't have sex because she was too strange and she used cocaine like a lot of girls there. After two nights I met at a table in beira mar the tranny with a lot of garotas de programa, one of them Renata was I very nice blondie that made me go crazy to nights before making lap dance she asked me if "quer namorar comigo" I said yes I so I spent two funny GFE days with her but after that I pissed her of

Because I fucking italian kept calling her telling her that he was definitely in love she went made and she told me her mind was away and she asked me 200 reals but for this shitty attitude I told her I only hed 100, I spoke with her on messenger some days ago and she told me she is pregnant now, what a waste she is 19!

Last two girls were Monica and Jaqueline, Monica is a fortaleza girl married with an italian to keep things short we fucked one day and she keeps telling me to go and find her in milan. The other girl was a blondie one like Renata, not soo attractive though, she made me do everything I wanted, I paid her 150 reals for 2 hours but I paid so much because she was a friend of Renata and I wanted to left her some kind of "go fuck yourself" message. To summarize I didn't have problems finding girls but I go in brazil to find stunners and for this reason I won't go again in fortaleza, not to mentions that thanks to italian suckers girls now feel important and they are very stupid.[/QUOTE]Hi there. From reading these thread, I'm blown away. Let me get this straight. An all nighter is around $40 USD. Thats 80 brazilian real. Am I reading this correct? And some street walker type gals are around $10 for a short time?

The best thing I've found from reading here is that Fortalleza is one of the safest cities in Brazil? I was reluctant to visit because of the crimes.

Am I reading this correct?

Thanks long time monger enogoing

[QUOTE=Enogoing;1321708]Hi there. From reading these thread, I'm blown away. Let me get this straight. An all nighter is around $40 USD. Thats 80 brazilian real. Am I reading this correct? And some street walker type gals are around $10 for a short time?
The best thing I've found from reading here is that Fortalleza is one of the safest cities in Brazil? I was reluctant to visit because of the crimes.
Am I reading this correct? [/QUOTE]
Yes and no.
You can get a quickie in centro for R$25. Pick a GP on the beach for R$50 and session with a bar-girl for roughly R$80. However it takes portuguese skills and often some negotiating, otherwise you'll end up paying R$150.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1321898]Yes and no.

You can get a quickie in centro for R$25. Pick a GP on the beach for R$50 and session with a bar-girl for roughly R$80. However it takes portuguese skills and often some negotiating, otherwise you'll end up paying R$150.[/QUOTE]Hi ALL, I'm new in this S-guide!

I've been first time in Fortaleza 2009, went back in 2010 and stayed there for 5 months until January 2011, only for vacation. First of all I want to say that I don't know how it was in Fortaleza before 2009 but during my stay I really loved this City, the possibilities, the weather and of course the Brazilian Girls! In 2011 the main points were the same in Praia Iracema (mambo, cafe del mar, Armazem and zipi) and normal prices were always between 100-150 BRL / night. But I never paid over 100 BRL for a night as I actually speak quite good portuguese and if you stay longer than one day with same girl you are able to have her for free (if you're not very very old.) everything depends on your age, if you're not over 30 years old it is a big advantage as most of these girls want to have such young people for the future. =)!

I think about it to return to Fortaleza in September / October this year and would like to know if there are people here who stayed end of 2010 or beginning of 2011 and went back now in 2012. Is the difference huge? I don't know the time before 2009 but between 2009 and end of 2010 it was the PLACE TO BE for me. I really loved the season 2010 in September and October as there are almost NO tourists in Fortaleza and girls are alone, looking for man. It's was always like a fight during this time between these girls=) Anyone intersted in coming as well? I'm alone this year as most of my friends had their vacation already. Would be great, I'm 27 years old from Europe (not italian=). I know all the places in northeast and I really like it.

By the way, I know brazil gets more expensive and more expensive, so I don't need any comments about this, this is not the point for me. I only want to know if mambo / cafe del Mar still have some nice Gatinhas / Mulheres.

[QUOTE=PraiaIracema;1322870]I only want to know if mambo / cafe del Mar still have some nice Gatinhas / Mulheres.[/QUOTE]The quality has gone down a lot. You can still find stunners, but it takes more searching and good luck to find them.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1323184]The quality has gone down a lot. You can still find stunners, but it takes more searching and good luck to find them.[/QUOTE]When did you go last time to Fortaleza and to which year are you comparing?

I remember when I went in 2009/2010 several people have written same story on several websites but I was impressed from Fortaleza! There were always nice women in Mambo, Cafe del Mar. Or also on Wednesdays in Armarzem. The girls always stayed at barraca boa vida in the praia do futuro (during the day). I do not nead hundreds of women, only some nice looking brazilian ladys.

Anyone going in September or October?

Are you guys all american? During my stay in Fortaleza 60% were italians, some german, swiss, holland or the scandinavion people or brazilian from the south.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1323184]The quality has gone down a lot. You can still find stunners, but it takes more searching and good luck to find them.[/QUOTE]By the way, any website where I can find some nightlife pictures from fortaleza? In 2010/2011 we've had this [url]www.photoatnight.com[/url] Site with all pictures but it seems closed? Any others known?

[QUOTE=PraiaIracema;1323210]When did you go last time to Fortaleza and to which year are you comparing?[/QUOTE]January 2012. Comparing to the last years. The last (roughly) 7 years the GP-quality has gone down gradually every year.

Hello Wingmen,

I am currently in town until 10/08, I am an American that speaks some Spanish but no Portuguese but that hasnt slowed me down too much. I was told about the crime here but last night (Friday) was a blast, I think I'll stick to my 4 drink max and seems most people are just trying to have a great time. That being said, I didn't go far from the lit streets and cops armed with guns and bulletproof vests though. Its always safer with more people, Anyone want to join forces to chase tail? I'll be chasing the local girl that wants some NSA action first, then move on to these street walkers / bar girls if I see one I can't leave without tasting.

Great thread, thanks to everyone for the advice and guidance.

[QUOTE=Brasileiro1982;1310659]What's the name of the datingsite?[/QUOTE]Well my friend, as far as I m concerned the only site which updated data not only about girls but also about clubs. Is garotasacompanhantes. For example, here you have one of the most popular places to get some so-called "acompanhantes" Fortaleza.

[URL]http://www.garotasacompanhantes.com/Acompanhantes-Nordeste/Acompanhantes-de-luxo-Fortaleza-na-Casa-do-Valdemir-92/[/URL]

It's called casa do Valdemir but in that site you will find more places like Bellisima or Clube do Drink.

Anyways, a good plan is always to contact directly an escort. Trust me. I DO LIVE IN FORTALEZA.

[QUOTE=GaComp; 1334556]Well my friend, as far as I m concerned the only site which updated data not only about girls but also about clubs. Is garotasacompanhantes. For example, here you have one of the most popular places to get some so-called "acompanhantes" Fortaleza.

[URL]http://www.garotasacompanhantes.com/Acompanhantes-Nordeste/Acompanhantes-de-luxo-Fortaleza-na-Casa-do-Valdemir-92/[/URL]

It's called casa do Valdemir but in that site you will find more places like Bellisima or Clube do Drink.

Anyways, a good plan is always to contact directly an escort. Trust me. I DO LIVE IN FORTALEZA.[/QUOTE]Hello "GaComp,"

You seem to speak English very well. Anyway, I'd like to pay you to be my TOUR GUIDE when I get to Fortaleza. My name is [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue].

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A yearly update on the Fortaleza scene.

GENERAL:
* No rain at all the last week.
* Increased number of brazilian tourists in Fortaleza. Less gringos than usual. Most gringos consist of italians with an average-age of 60 plus.
* Apartment prices from R$80 for a nice apartment in the Iracema area.

PRO-SCENE, NIGHT-TIME:
* PRICES: It seems like standard that the girls ask for R$100-150 at the clubs. Negotiate and don´t pay more than maximum of R$80. Streetwalkers are cheaper.
* "Ho-crossing", clubs: Just Forro & Mambo and some small bars left. Cafe del Mar is closed.
* Zipi Bar. Zipi Bar starts early, around 10 PM. R$10 minimum consumption. There are quite a few girls that are (just about) doable. If you look hard you might find a nine-pointer, but propably no ten-pointers. Difficult to find the real stunners.
* Armazem: Wednesdays, ho-night. The usual GP´s from Iracema and "once-a-week-pro's".
* Crocobeach: Thursday, party evening. Mixture of mainly regular girls and some GP´s. It has gone downhill even more than before.

PRO-SCENE, DAY-TIME, CENTRO:
* Praça dos Martires: Just old and very ugly women..
* Espaço Show: Praça dos Martires. Low-end place with strip-tease and GP´s.

PRO-SCENE, PRIVÊS, CENTRO:
There are lots of privês in Centro. This year I was disappointed with the quality.
* Rua Pedro Pereira 950: Up the stairs, white door. R$50/30 minutes. Only 3 girls. Two fat dragons and one very cute 18 year old, Michele. Michele has a killer body, but her performance is among the worst I ever had.
* Rua Pedro Pereira 1252: Used to have 4 girls last year. It has changed. Avoid it or you´ll get a bad surprise.
* Rua General Sampaio 682, sala 205: End of the corridor. R$25/30 minutes. They have a promocao, a quickie for R$20 or a suruba/threesome for R$30. 4 girls. None doable.
* Rua Melvin Jones 73, sala 114: Between 2-4 girls working. R$50/30 minutes. Last year there were several cute girls. This year there were no doable girls.
* Rua Sena Madureira 961: About half a dozen of puteiros on the first floor. Many girls. Very few doable girls. I found two nice girls after a lot of searching. R$50/30 minutes. Avoid the second floor!

PRO-SCENE, BEACH:
* Praia do Futuro: It´s much harder than it used to be to find GP´s at Praia do Futuro.
* Beira-Mar: The beach and the barracas in front of McDonalds. Very few GP´s. Mixed quality.

PRO-SCENE, OTHER:
* I prefer session at a privê in centro or picking up a GP on the beach. You shouldn´t pay more than maximum R$50 to the beach-GP´s.

NON-PRO-SCENE:
* Fortaleza has a good regular night-life.
Try Mucuripe Club on Fridays. Huge place, 4 pistas and lots of people. Mostly white middle- and upperclass girls.
http://www.mucuripe.com.br/
* Dragao do Mar: Nice realexed bars. Good for meeting regular girls.
* If you want to meet the real beautiful girls in Fortaleza you´ll have to go for the non-pro´s. It´s quite easy to meet regular girls in Fortaleza.
* Where to meet the non-pro´s: You´ll meet them in centro, buses, markets, on the beach or when strolling in Iracema or Beira Mar. Local girls or tourist girls from Rio, Sao Paulo, Brasilia or BH.

FINAL NOTES:
* The stunners in Fortaleza are very rare. The majority are the typical nordestinas, short, overweighted, big squared heads and without necks.

Great posts on Fortaleza and Manaus. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Sperto;1376887]* The stunners in Fortaleza are very rare.[/QUOTE]What is in the public domain and available for your pay-by-the-minute lovin are the majority are the typical nordestinas, short, overweighted, big squared heads and without necks. (and don't forget pitted complexions.)

The good ones get snapped up early, taken out of circulation not even out of their teens mostly and there's only so many to go around. Not in play to the enternational sex tourist. Besides, they get pregnant early in this country and after that age fast. You just have to go to russia where real beauties abound (roll:eyes)

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1376887]A yearly update on the Fortaleza scene.

GENERAL:

* No rain at all the last week.

* Increased number of brazilian tourists in Fortaleza. Less gringos than usual. Most gringos consist of italians with an average-age of 60 plus...[/QUOTE]You have put it all on the paper, I was there in Decmber, the only very nice girls I met where from Salavdor, and the rest is overpriced!

Strange times indead

Am wondering what the scene is like picking up GPs at the beaches daytime at Praia de Futuro. It was great my first 2 trips in 2003 and 2005. There were lots of GPs daytime at Coco and Croco beaches. But there were no GPs there on my last 2 trips in 2008 and 2010. Someone here mentioned the dancing/dining area at Barraca Boa Vida on Sunday afternoons. Is that still OK? Is that the only day, time and place now to find GPs daytime at the beach?

[QUOTE=Henry R;1394676]Am wondering what the scene is like picking up GPs at the beaches daytime at Praia de Futuro. It was great my first 2 trips in 2003 and 2005. There were lots of GPs daytime at Coco and Croco beaches. But there were no GPs there on my last 2 trips in 2008 and 2010. Someone here mentioned the dancing/dining area at Barraca Boa Vida on Sunday afternoons. Is that still OK? Is that the only day, time and place now to find GPs daytime at the beach?[/QUOTE]Hi Henry, bad news from Fortaleza. I was there last January and all things make worse, prices rising in hotel and restaurants, security worse.

BEACHES

Boa Vida was closed, last November, I think forever (bankruptcy). It's quite impossible to meet GPs in praia do futuro; Coco beach has very few customers; only on Sunday you can find some garota,

Often with the Saturday night man. So you can go to Croco Beach, on Sunday full of non-pro girls 'cause in the afternoon there's a fiesta, dancing well forrò and speaking portuguese it's always very hard, but possible, became friends.

In Beira Mar beaches, not many GPs, low quality, be careful : they are from favelas.

In front of McDonald, in the evening weekends, some GP from disco, but not much pretty; they want start programas early, so are very nervouses and quick.

NIGHT TIME.

At night, in Zippy bar, low quality and prices about 100R$ (short time) ; Europa and Cafè del Mar are close.

In Forrò Mambo or Armazem, there are few stunners GP asking 250R$ for ST, but they accept 150-180 but asking expensive drinks.

Be careful, they are used to drugs. Other GPs: prices 100-150, depends on the look and the hour. Later you can pick with 80-120 R$ but you're not the first of the night.

DAY TIME

It's quite difficult to meet regular girls in Fortaleza, maybe in centro or shopping; you have to speak good portuguese, be smart, young, and have luck, 'cause at night they have

Boy-friend or go to brasilian boates in weekends (not good for tourist.).

By the way, Fortaleza is still an option for GPs, but much worse that 5 years ago. Bye mongers

[QUOTE=Forty;1395671]not much pretty; low quality[/QUOTE]Welcome to Brasil.

[QUOTE=Forty; 1395671]Hi Henry, bad news from Fortaleza. I was there last January and all things make worse, prices rising in hotel and restaurants, security worse.

BEACHES

Boa Vida was closed, last November, I think forever (bankruptcy). It's quite impossible to meet GPs in praia do futuro; Coco beach has very few customers; only on Sunday you can find some garota,

Often with the Saturday night man. So you can go to Croco Beach, on Sunday full of non-pro girls 'cause in the afternoon there's a fiesta, dancing well forrò and speaking portuguese it's always very hard, but possible, became friends.

In Beira Mar beaches, not many GPs, low quality, be careful : they are from favelas.

In front of McDonald, in the evening weekends, some GP from disco, but not much pretty; they want start programas early, so are very nervouses and quick.

NIGHT TIME.

At night, in Zippy bar, low quality and prices about 100R$ (short time) ; Europa and Cafè del Mar are close.

In Forrò Mambo or Armazem, there are few stunners GP asking 250R$ for ST, but they accept 150-180 but asking expensive drinks.

Be careful, they are used to drugs. Other GPs: prices 100-150, depends on the look and the hour. Later you can pick with 80-120 R$ but you're not the first of the night.

DAY TIME

It's quite difficult to meet regular girls in Fortaleza, maybe in centro or shopping; you have to speak good portuguese, be smart, young, and have luck, 'cause at night they have

Boy-friend or go to brasilian boates in weekends (not good for tourist.).

By the way, Fortaleza is still an option for GPs, but much worse that 5 years ago. Bye mongers[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. Too bad the daytime GP action at Praia de Futuro is gone. It was great while it lasted.


Regarding Iracema. You wrote:

"Europa and Cafè del Mar are close."

(1) Does that mean that the Europa bar and Cafe del Mar are both shut down? Is Mambo the only big bar / club open now in Iracema?

(2) Do they still have those small bars on the street near Mambo? That is the street where many restaurants are. There were small bars there like Heineke bar and a few others. Any programa girls at the small bars at night?

Thanks again for the info. I hope to be there in October.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1395738]Thanks for the info. Too bad the daytime GP action at Praia de Futuro is gone. It was great while it lasted.

Regarding Iracema. You wrote:

"Europa and Cafè del Mar are close."

(1) Does that mean that the Europa bar and Cafe del Mar are both shut down? Is Mambo the only big bar / club open now in Iracema?

(2) Do they still have those small bars on the street near Mambo? That is the street where many restaurants are. There were small bars there like Heineke bar and a few others. Any programa girls at the small bars at night?

Thanks again for the info. I hope to be there in October.[/QUOTE]Hi Henry, some other news.

Yes, Europa bar and Cafe del Mar are both shut down, Europa 3 years ago, Cafe del Mar last year. Heineken bar stopped; now there's a bar, called Boteco Iracema, where there are ugly GPs that after go to Mambo.

The only disco open are Zippy bar and Mambo, that is open only at the first floor (level zero closed) , and is very expensive (15 R$ entry. 15 R$ or more for cocktail).

Bar Preto e Branco, that was in front of Heineken, is closed and Portofino Restaurant too. The Reggae Bar de Xico Canuto is always open, is good for his cheap drinks and food; the problem are the garotas, very ugly and dirty, too bad!

On Monday, Pirata bar is open, and now there are some GPs, waiting for go to mambo.

Be careful, at the moment the action is very small in Iracema, and in October maybe is worse.

Hope this helps, goodnight alls

[QUOTE=Forty; 1395777]Hi Henry, some other news.

Yes, Europa bar and Cafe del Mar are both shut down, Europa 3 years ago, Cafe del Mar last year. Heineken bar stopped; now there's a bar, called Boteco Iracema, where there are ugly GPs that after go to Mambo.

The only disco open are Zippy bar and Mambo, that is open only at the first floor (level zero closed) , and is very expensive (15 R$ entry. 15 R$ or more for cocktail).

Bar Preto e Branco, that was in front of Heineken, is closed and Portofino Restaurant too. The Reggae Bar de Xico Canuto is always open, is good for his cheap drinks and food; the problem are the garotas, very ugly and dirty, too bad!

On Monday, Pirata bar is open, and now there are some GPs, waiting for go to mambo.

Be careful, at the moment the action is very small in Iracema, and in October maybe is worse.

Hope this helps, goodnight alls[/QUOTE]Wow, looks like things are closing down in Iracema. Maybe because of World Cup Soccer and the Olympics.
Thanks for the info Forty. By the way, I think we exchanged some private messages with each other a few years ago.

I am guessing this is what it is like now for the major places for programa girls. Please tell me if this is correct:

Zipi bar until midnite.

Mambo club after midnight.

Pirata club has a few GPs on Monday nights. (Is that still true?)

Armazem on Wednesday nights? (Does Armazem still have many GPs on Wednesday nights?)

Croco Beach on Thursday nights? (Does Croco Beach still have GPs on Thursday nights? If so, where in Croco Beach?)

Mucuribe Club:
Someone once wrote this place has mostly non-pros. But he wrote it had a few pros hang out by the main entrance until the disco side opens at 2AM. Is that still true? Which nights at Mucuribe Club are best for GPs?

I guess no other major places for GPs in Fortaleza?

[QUOTE=Henry R;1396630]I am guessing this is what it is like now for the major places for programa girls. Please tell me if this is correct:...[/QUOTE]
Half of your list is correct. Everything youre asking about you'll find the answers if you read 1-2 pages in the forum.

Just left Fortaleza and can confirm that only Zipi and Forró Mambo are still open. There is a little side bar opposite Forró Mambo that has a few GPs as well. Also Pirata on Monday and Armazem on Wednesday are still on. I was very impressed with the girls at Armazem but am not really interested in take out so didn't really find out prices. One girl from Zipi was asking R$150.

I also checked out the centro privés Sperto mentioned and they were all pretty bad with the exception of Espaço Show. A few decent looking young girls and liked the vibe a lot. It was crowded around 5 pm and closes down by 8pm and the neighbourhood is very dodgy. Girls are R$60 plus R$15 for the room.

From GPGuia I checked out a couple of privés a little farther out and both are about a R$18 taxi ride from Praia de Iracema. Belissimas is open 24 hours. 7 days a week and there were about 25 girls when I got there around 10pm. There is a bar area where you can hang out, relax, drink and socialize with the girls and is quite nice. All in cost for a session is R$142 plus drinks for an hour. Baronesas was another place I checked out which is the same, but on a smaller scale and more basic. I got there around 6pm and there were about 8 girls. All in cost there is R$120 plus drinks. I have to say that compared to Rio privés, it isn't great value as the cost is more and the girls in general are less hot and seem more restrictive (CBJ, no anal, no kissing or on the lips only) and are more business like. But I found them worthwhile to visit, especially Bellisimas just for the different environment and the opening hours.

[QUOTE=Kojak1; 1420668]Just left Fortaleza and can confirm that only Zipi and Forró Mambo are still open. There is a little side bar opposite Forró Mambo that has a few GPs as well. Also Pirata on Monday and Armazem on Wednesday are still on. I was very impressed with the girls at Armazem but am not really interested in take out so didn't really find out prices. One girl from Zipi was asking R$150.

I also checked out the centro privés Sperto mentioned and they were all pretty bad with the exception of Espaço Show. A few decent looking young girls and liked the vibe a lot. It was crowded around 5 pm and closes down by 8pm and the neighbourhood is very dodgy. Girls are R$60 plus R$15 for the room.

From GPGuia I checked out a couple of privés a little farther out and both are about a R$18 taxi ride from Praia de Iracema. Belissimas is open 24 hours. 7 days a week and there were about 25 girls when I got there around 10pm. There is a bar area where you can hang out, relax, drink and socialize with the girls and is quite nice. All in cost for a session is R$142 plus drinks for an hour. Baronesas was another place I checked out which is the same, but on a smaller scale and more basic. I got there around 6pm and there were about 8 girls. All in cost there is R$120 plus drinks. I have to say that compared to Rio privés, it isn't great value as the cost is more and the girls in general are less hot and seem more restrictive (CBJ, no anal, no kissing or on the lips only) and are more business like. But I found them worthwhile to visit, especially Bellisimas just for the different environment and the opening hours.[/QUOTE]Kojak1, since you just got back you probably have the best current info.

Wondering what the best time nowadays to go to Piratas on Monday nites, for mongers looking for programa girls. Also, would you guess most of the girls at Piratas on Monday nights are not programa girls? Any tips on finding the programa girls there? Are they at a certain place? (I don't want to ask them if they are programa girls, because that would upset the non-pros).

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1427428]Kojak1, since you just got back you probably have the best current info.

Wondering what the best time nowadays to go to Piratas on Monday nites, for mongers looking for programa girls. Also, would you guess most of the girls at Piratas on Monday nights are not programa girls? Any tips on finding the programa girls there? Are they at a certain place? (I don't want to ask them if they are programa girls, because that would upset the non-pros).[/QUOTE]Henry R,

I went around 23:30 and it was starting to get pretty full as the main band started playing around 00:30. I think the majority of the people there were regular girls and guys, not on or looking for programma. I noticed a few hot girls and realized later that they were maybe working as I saw them later at Forro Mambo or at other working bars later in the week.

You should plan to be in Fortaleza on Wednesday as that is the ho night at Armazem. It was packed and all the girls were working. The vibe was reminiscent of Help in Rio except for the forro bands. There was also a disco in another section. If I lived there, I would go every Wednesday.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1427428]Kojak1, since you just got back you probably have the best current info.

Wondering what the best time nowadays to go to Piratas on Monday nites, for mongers looking for programa girls. Also, would you guess most of the girls at Piratas on Monday nights are not programa girls? Any tips on finding the programa girls there? Are they at a certain place? (I don't want to ask them if they are programa girls, because that would upset the non-pros).[/QUOTE]Pirata isn't what it used to be. It's quite weak. If you want to have a go after a regular touristgirl at Pirata you might be lucky. If so go quite early, 10 PM.

Looking for GP's at Pirata is a bit odd as you have Zipi Bar with a much better selection. The GPs that pays the entrance to Pirata tends to be averagelooking golddiggers. No worry about finding them as they'll seek you up.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1427676]Pirata isn't what it used to be. It's quite weak. If you want to have a go after a regular touristgirl at Pirata you might be lucky. If so go quite early. 10 PM.

Looking for GP's at Pirata is a bit odd as you have Zipi Bar with a much better selection. The GPs that pays the entrance to Pirata tends to be averagelooking golddiggers. No worry about finding them as they'll seek you up.[/QUOTE]Agree with Sperto about Piratas. Not a lot of pros there, but there are a few, that I didn't really know were pros until I saw them at Armazem on Wednesday night. That is the place to go as all the girls there are pros on Wednesdays. Reminded me a little of Help with a live Forro band and disco and a lot of sexy dressed girls trying to get your attention.

Hi fellow enthusiasts,

I need some, well actually, a lot of advice about Brazil I would highly appreciate it if you guys could help me out some.

First of all a little background info so you have a better idea how to guide me by your information. I'm a male of mixed Euro-African-Asian-American descent. I'm 42 but look about 35 and in good shape. I speak multiple languages including Spanish and some Portuguese.

I've never been to Brazil but would like to go in 2014 around March, April, May or June. I sure would like to be there during the World Cup in July but I think that will be freakin' expensive.

The goal of my trip firstly is women. Secondly sight seeing. I've been going to Thailand for some years now so I'm kind of spoiled when it comes to service but mainly price. That accounts for both women and hotels. Thailand is cheap compared to Brazil from what I've read. I mean I'm used to $20 apartment an $25-$35 short time girls. Or $40-$60 for high end girls.

So I ask you brothers, for mongering purposes which place is better; Rio De Janeiro or Fortaleza.

I mean Fortaleza seems to have easier access to girls, cheaper then Rio, maybe more compact scene not sure though.

Rio from what I've read the girls there are considered more beautiful than Fortaleza, can anybody clarify in what way.

Rio seems more expensive, not only girls but definitely hotels.

In general I believe it is hard to find hotels that are girl friendly in Rio and Fortaleza. ?

Also let's say if in Forta chances for girls are better I could also do both and also get some sight seeing done in Rio.

Anybody got info on local flghts between Forta and Rio?

From what I've read Termas are a big thing in Rio and street freelancing scene maybe a bit risky?

What about Termas and freelancers in Forta? Less risky?

By the way Thailand is pretty safe when walking alone late night but from what I've read some areas can be dangerous in Brazil. True?

Can anyone help me with the pros and cons in order to decide where it's best for a first timer like me to go.

I know guys, a lot of questions but I really need some help in making this decision.

I'm going to post this in the Rio section aswell.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=The Wookie; 1445808]Hi fellow enthusiasts,

I need some, well actually, a lot of advice about Brazil I would highly appreciate it if you guys could help me out some.

First of all a little background info so you have a better idea how to guide me by your information. I'm a male of mixed Euro-African-Asian-American descent. I'm 42 but look about 35 and in good shape. I speak multiple languages including Spanish and some Portuguese.

I've never been to Brazil but would like to go in 2014 around March, April, May or June. I sure would like to be there during the World Cup in July but I think that will be freakin' expensive.

The goal of my trip firstly is women. Secondly sight seeing. I've been going to Thailand for some years now so I'm kind of spoiled when it comes to service but mainly price. That accounts for both women and hotels. Thailand is cheap compared to Brazil from what I've read. I mean I'm used to $20 apartment an $25-$35 short time girls. Or $40-$60 for high end girls.

So I ask you brothers, for mongering purposes which place is better; Rio De Janeiro or Fortaleza.

I mean Fortaleza seems to have easier access to girls, cheaper then Rio, maybe more compact scene not sure though.

Rio from what I've read the girls there are considered more beautiful than Fortaleza, can anybody clarify in what way.

Rio seems more expensive, not only girls but definitely hotels.

In general I believe it is hard to find hotels that are girl friendly in Rio and Fortaleza. ?

Also let's say if in Forta chances for girls are better I could also do both and also get some sight seeing done in Rio.

Anybody got info on local flghts between Forta and Rio?

From what I've read Termas are a big thing in Rio and street freelancing scene maybe a bit risky?

What about Termas and freelancers in Forta? Less risky?

By the way Thailand is pretty safe when walking alone late night but from what I've read some areas can be dangerous in Brazil. True?

Can anyone help me with the pros and cons in order to decide where it's best for a first timer like me to go.

I know guys, a lot of questions but I really need some help in making this decision.

I'm going to post this in the Rio section aswell.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I've been to Brazil and Rio and Fortaleza 4 times. But I haven't been to Brazil in almost 3 years, since the Fall of 2010, so my info about Rio and Fortaleza may be outdated.

(But I plan to return to Brazil this October).

In the past Rio and Fortaleza were close in terms of monger action.

Rio:

I thought Help Disco and the Atlantico Cafe Restaurant, in front of Help Disco, were the 2 best places for monger action in Rio.

But they both closed before my last trip. So that's why I won't visit Rio on my next trip. I think it's not the same without those 2 places. Balcony Bar had been one of the worst places in Rio,

with a few bad looking girls, until my last trip in 2010. Then it became the hot spot because Help and Cafe Atlantico closed down. The girls had to go somewhere. Even though

Balcony was OK on my last trip, it wasn't nearly as good as Help or Cafe Atlantico had been. I don't know what Balcony is like now.

I had a very good time at the 2 higher class Termas in Rio that I went to. Make sure you go to the top Termas,

if you can afford it.

Also, hotels in Rio have become pretty expensive. At least when I went in 2010. You may be better off with apartments.

But Rio is a beautiful city, may be worth visiting just to see it and go to the Termas.

Fortaleza:

I thought there were enough good looking programa girls in the Iracema bar area of Fortaleza, despite

what almost everyone else on this board has been writing for the past 10 years, and I'm picky. On my last night in Fortaleza in 2010 I went late to Cafe del Mar in Iracema, which I heard is now closed.

I was absolutely amazed how many hot babes were at Cafe Del Mar that night. But that wasn't typical, I know because I had been there before. They usually were OK, but not as good as that night.

Not sure about areas outside of Iracema. (I went to Bellisimos or whatever it's called, which is kind of like a combo bar / house with girls. The girls were not too good looking, but I went early, so maybe it got better later. It is not located in Iracema).

Anyway, ask yourself, would so many European men tourists travel all the way to Fortaleza, and hang out at Iracema, unless there were a decent number of good looking programa girls?

I've talked to tourists during my 4 trips to Fortaleza, and none has complained about the overall quality of looks of the programa girls, especially the ones in or near Iracema. The criticisms about their looks only come on this forum.

But Iracema used to have 4 or 5 big disco/bars, plus Zippy's which is a few blocks away. So a total of 5 or 6 places. Now I read that most of the Iracema discos have closed - Europa and Cafe del Mar closed, and the Bikini Club above Europa closed a few years ago.
So I read on this forum that now there is only one disco left at Iracema - Mambo - and it is one floor instead of 2 floors like before. (Hard to believe there is only one big disco place left in Iracema?). So Mambo and Zippy's are the only good places left? (Armazem has action only one night a week). If so, I don't know how good Iracema is now.

Crime:

I've been to a lot of areas in Thailand, even walking alone at night, and never had any problems with crime. Maybe I was just lucky.

I suspect Brazil has more crime than Thailand. But I heard that northern Brazil has less crime than southern Brazil. Supposed to be the opposite in Rio, with lots of crime in northern Rio, and much less crime in southern Rio, which is the tourist area.

Good luck on your trip.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1453608].

But Iracema used to have 4 or 5 big disco / bars, plus Zippy's which is a few blocks away. So a total of 5 or 6 places. Now I read that most of the Iracema discos have closed. Europa and Cafe del Mar closed, and the Bikini Club above Europa closed a few years ago.

So I read on this forum that now there is only one disco left at Iracema. Mambo. And it is one floor instead of 2 floors like before. (Hard to believe there is only one big disco place left in Iracema?). So Mambo and Zippy's are the only good places left? (Armazem has action only one night a week). If so, I don't know how good Iracema is now.

Good luck on your trip.[/QUOTE]Some sweet and humid memories from the happier days of Bikini Bar of Iracema. From late 2007, most of these juicy garotas is probably housewifes with husbond and 2 children, in the Nederlands and Italy by now.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1453608]I've been to Brazil and Rio and Fortaleza 4 times. But I haven't been to Brazil in almost 3 years, since the Fall of 2010, so my info about Rio and Fortaleza may be outdated.

(But I plan to return to Brazil this October).

In the past Rio and Fortaleza were close in terms of monger action.

Rio:

Crime:

I suspect Brazil has more crime than Thailand. But I heard that northern Brazil has less crime than southern Brazil. Supposed to be the opposite in Rio, with lots of crime in northern Rio, and much less crime in southern Rio, which is the tourist area.

Good luck on your trip.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info.

[QUOTE=Balluba;1461315]Some sweet and humid memories from the happier days of Bikini Bar of Iracema. From late 2007, most of these juicy garotas is probably housewifes with husbond and 2 children, in the Nederlands and Italy by now.[/QUOTE]Those are great fotos! I'm getting nostalgic (tenho saudade) for the good old days.

[QUOTE=Henry R;1468202]Those are great fotos! I'm getting nostalgic (tenho saudade) for the good old days.[/QUOTE]I will be back (like a solteiro) in this month. Will try to find the spirit of the happy old days.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1453608]Crime:

I've been to a lot of areas in Thailand, even walking alone at night, and never had any problems with crime. Maybe I was just lucky.[/QUOTE]How did Thailand pop up in your post? Not a fair comparison.

I think you have to completely wasted with money dripping out of your pockets to attract a robbery in Thailand. All I have really heard of was occasional gold chain snatching.

And if you look halfway good on your feet, still won't happen.

[QUOTE=Balluba;1468438]I will be back (like a solteiro) in this month. Will try to find the spirit of the happy old days.[/QUOTE]Hopefully new Toblerone girls.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1468707]Hopefully new Toblerone girls.[/QUOTE]Sure, its about time, Sperto. I have been here (photo) , for 4-5 years, and now its time to move on, and taste some new chocolates.

[QUOTE=Naked Gunz; 1468487]How did Thailand pop up in your post? Not a fair comparison.

I think you have to completely wasted with money dripping out of your pockets to attract a robbery in Thailand. All I have really heard of was occasional gold chain snatching.

And if you look halfway good on your feet, still won't happen.[/QUOTE]I mentioned Thailand in my post because I was responding to a previous poster (The Wookie, July 13) comments and questions about crime in Thailand versus Brazil.

I am currently in Fortaleza for a week or so. I don't speak any Portuguese and only some high school Spanish so I don't feel too comfortable venturing out. It was also on this board that my hotel was not GF, but it does look like a girl would be able to just come right in without an issue so I think I might just order in. Can anyone vouch for an independent or an agency that I can call? These are the sites that I came up with:

[url]http://www.garotasdeprogramafortaleza.com.br/principal.php[/url]

[url]http://www.fortalezamodels.com.br/home[/url]

[url]http://www.fortalezabynight.com.br/bynight.html[/url]

Normally I would have no problem TOFTT but the foreign country thing has gotten my guard up. Also, looks like Armazem is the place to go Wednesday night, but I think it might be more suspicious to bring in a girl late Wednesday rather than have one come up alone earlier in the evening. Hopefully someone has a good recommendation.

Was in Fortaleza the second week of October.

Here is some info.

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Part of the next sentence. So you may have to connect 2 sentences together.

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A new place opened up next to Mambo, it's where the old Cafe del Mar used to be.

It's called Bar 34, and has 2 floors. I didn't go in though. But I looked in and saw maybe.

A few girls there, not that many people. From the 2nd floor of Mambo I saw that Bar 34.

Also had a few people on it's 2nd floor. Didn't seem that lively.

A place, but at least there is now more than one big place at that bar complex.

There used to be a few places:

Bikini Club, Europa, Cafe del Mar and Mambo (Mambo has had different names through the years).

Now just two clubs: Mambo and Bar 34.

When all 4 bars were open, there used to be loads of girls and tourists hanging out outside.

On the street where all those bars were. Those were the days.

Also went to Armazem on Wednesday nite and it's got a lot of programa girls after 1:00.

Zippy Bar still good from 10:30 to about 1:00. Best after midnite. They now give you a card for your drinks.

And have a 10 Real minimum for drinks. They also now no longer have the tables

On the street in front.

Short time of 2 hours is still about 200 Real, but you can probably bargain down

Below that if there are not a lot of tourists around. I heard they raise the prices.

If there are a lot of tourists.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1487154]Was in Fortaleza the second week of October.

Here is some info.

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Part of the next sentence. So you may have to connect 2 sentences together.

For example the preceding "Part of the next sentence" is really part of the previous sentence.

"Sometimes a sentence ends with a period when it really is."

Hope it's not too confusing.)

A new place opened up next to Mambo, it's where the old Cafe del Mar used to be.

It's called Bar 34, and has 2 floors. I didn't go in though. But I looked in and saw maybe.

A few girls there, not that many people. From the 2nd floor of Mambo I saw that Bar 34.

Also had a few people on it's 2nd floor. Didn't seem that lively.

A place, but at least there is now more than one big place at that bar complex.

There used to be a few places:

Bikini Club, Europa, Cafe del Mar and Mambo (Mambo has had different names through the years).

Now just two clubs: Mambo and Bar 34.

When all 4 bars were open, there used to be loads of girls and tourists hanging out outside.

On the street where all those bars were. Those were the days.

Also went to Armazem on Wednesday nite and it's got a lot of programa girls after 1:00.

Zippy Bar still good from 10:30 to about 1:00. Best after midnite. They now give you a card for your drinks.

And have a 10 Real minimum for drinks. They also now no longer have the tables

On the street in front.

Short time of 2 hours is still about 200 Real, but you can probably bargain down

Below that if there are not a lot of tourists around. I heard they raise the prices.

If there are a lot of tourists.[/QUOTE]There are some good privées in this building : Av. Monsenhor Tabosa, andº 111, the one at sala 49, 2º andar has the webpage below:

[url]http://www.massagemsensuality.xpg.com.br/contato.html[/url]

Place is near to the Iracema Beech, I've paid R$ 60 for 1/2 h. + R$ 20 = BBBJTC.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto; 1520574]There are some good privées in this building : Av. Monsenhor Tabosa, andº 111, the one at sala 49, 2º andar has the webpage below:

[url]http://www.massagemsensuality.xpg.com.br/contato.html[/url]

Place is near to the Iracema Beech, I've paid R$ 60 for 1/2 h. + R$ 20 = BBBJTC.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot! It looks promising. I'll check it out next week. Do you know sala number of other privées in that building as well?

[QUOTE=Sperto;1520922]Thanks a lot! It looks promising. I'll check it out next week. Do you know sala number of other privées in that building as well?[/QUOTE]Dear Sperto,

I have no information on other privées in the same building.

Fortaleza´s most famous is Privée iBelíssima.

Rua Vicente Leite 2020. Any cab driver knows it.

Ckeck out, least time I was there it was R$ 120 / hour.

Abraços,

ABG

Just some short updates on the Fortaleza scene.

PRIVÉES:
Rua General Sampaio 682, sala 205: Closed.
Rua Melvin Jones 73, sala 114: Closed.
Rua Sena Madureira 961: Half a dozen of puteiros on the first floor. 2-6 girls/casa. Very low quality. This year I found none doable. R$60/30 minutes.

Av Monsenhor Tabosa 111: Thanks to ABG who recommended this address. On the second floor there are at least 6 privées. You recognise them by the doorcarpets.
Sala: 44, 45, 46, 49, 51 and 56.
Each casa has between 2-4 girls working. They offer massage with HJ (R$50), massage with BJ (R$70), massage with sex (R$110) or just sex without massage (R$80). I have no interest paying for massage so I only went for the sex options. This far I´ve payed R$80. The quality of the girls is not bad. Some really nice ones and a bunch of not so nice ones.
Yesterday I hit the jackpot at sala 46, (Amandas). They had a new girl that started yesterday. Leticia, 18 years, morena, incredible cute but shy, firm peach titties and very nice ass. I was her first customer ever so she was a bit experienced in the beginning. Gave an excellent BBBJ and turned out to be a natural talent in bed. A real sweetheart. R$80.
Today I tried Sabrina in sala 44. A very happy girl, morena clara, short, slim, quite big natural tits and a nice ass. Gave a very good tit-f*ck and a good service. A minus for CBJ. R$80.

IRACEMA CLUBS:
Forró mambo is still working. Café del Mar changed name to Bar 34. The Reggae Bar still has the cheapest beer.
Zipi Bar: R$10 minimum consumption (one beer). Lots of girls. Quite good quality. It seemed better than last year. Some stunners. The girls asks for R$100-150. Negotiable.

APARTMENTS:
People are crazy and wants to overcharge because of the world cup, even though it still 5 months away. Monthly rentals can be had at decent prices. Short time rentals, about one week, is absurd. They tries to charge R$150-200. I negotiated down to R$100 for a nice apartment. Very hard negotiating. After January (high season) prices will go down a bit for a few months.

FINAL NOTES:
As always the short, chubby, squaredhead girls without necks are in large majority in Fortaleza.
The most beautiful girls I see her are tourist girls or occasional regular local girls on the streets. Don´t be shy. Smile and go up and talk to them.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1522308]Just some short updates on the Fortaleza scene.

PRIVÉES:

Rua General Sampaio 682, sala 205: Closed.

Rua Melvin Jones 73, sala 114: Closed.

Rua Sena Madureira 961: Half a dozen of puteiros on the first floor. 2-6 girls / casa. Very low quality. This year I found none doable. R$60/30 minutes.

Av Monsenhor Tabosa 111: Thanks to ABG who recommended this address. On the second floor there are at least 6 privées. You recognise them by the doorcarpets.

Sala: 44, 45, 46, 49, 51 and 56.

Each casa has between 2-4 girls working. They offer massage with HJ (R$50) , massage with BJ (R$70) , massage with sex (R$110) or just sex without massage (R$80). I have no interest paying for massage so I only went for the sex options. This far I've payed R$80. The quality of the girls is not bad. Some really nice ones and a bunch of not so nice ones.

Yesterday I hit the jackpot at sala 46, (Amandas). They had a new girl that started yesterday. Leticia. 18 years, morena, incredible cute but shy, firm peach titties and very nice ass. I was her first customer ever so she was a bit experienced in the beginning. Gave an excellent BBBJ and turned out to be a natural talent in bed. A real sweetheart. R$80.

Today I tried Sabrina in sala 44. A very happy girl, morena clara, short, slim, quite big natural tits and a nice ass. Gave a very good tit-f*ck and a good service. A minus for CBJ. R$80.

IRACEMA CLUBS:

Forró mambo is still working. Café del Mar changed name to Bar 34. The Reggae Bar still has the cheapest beer.

Zipi Bar: R$10 minimum consumption (one beer). Lots of girls. Quite good quality. It seemed better than last year. Some stunners. The girls asks for R$100-150. Negotiable.

APARTMENTS:

People are crazy and wants to overcharge because of the world cup, even though it still 5 months away. Monthly rentals can be had at decent prices. Short time rentals, about one week, is absurd. They tries to charge R$150-200. I negotiated down to R$100 for a nice apartment. Very hard negotiating. After January (high season) prices will go down a bit for a few months.

FINAL NOTES:

As always the short, chubby, squaredhead girls without necks are in large majority in Fortaleza.

The most beautiful girls I see her are tourist girls or occasional regular local girls on the streets. Don't be shy. Smile and go up and talk to them.[/QUOTE]Sperto, very good report, congratulations, I'm glad to know that my informations were heplfull to you.

As always you give a lot of value added information.

I was in Forta in April (I think) for work.

I went to Bellisima for the first time. There were some pretty decent girls but boring and lazy. They would not smile or make eye contact. It looked like they didn't want to be there. WTF!

I called 2 or 3 to approach my table and sit down but they pressured me to go to the room right away. Again WTF, I am trying to have a good time enjoying drinks and a conversation but these GP are only interested in the CASH. I ended up having 2 drinks and getting the fuck out of there. Very negative first experience with (supposedly) the best puterio in Forta.

Other than that, I went to a High class Bar Restaurant in the Orla, on Avenida Beira Mar, I think the name is Boteco and is right in front of the pier.

A lot of high class Brazilians and lots, lots of beautiful tourists from SP. I watched the Brasil-Chile game there with a full house of aprox 300-400 patrons. Tried to pick up something but I didn't get even the time of night! It was difficult even striking a casual conversation even with my good portuguese. I dressed nicely even better than most patrons there and tried to look my best. Apparently not a single GDP there.

Nice place to people watch, dine, drinks or beer. Maybe your luck might be better and you get to know a beautiful non GP Cearense.

I am going to MAO at the end of Feb-Carnaval, and also for the World Cup to MAO and Rio.

I have always wanted to meet you in person. Maybe we can get together this time and hunt together.

I'll PM you.

Have a good one.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1522308]Just some short updates on the Fortaleza scene.

PRIVÉES:

Rua General Sampaio 682, sala 205: Closed.

Rua Melvin Jones 73, sala 114: Closed.

Rua Sena Madureira 961: Half a dozen of puteiros on the first floor. 2-6 girls / casa. Very low quality. This year I found none doable. R$60/30 minutes.

Av Monsenhor Tabosa 111: Thanks to ABG who recommended this address. On the second floor there are at least 6 privées. You recognise them by the doorcarpets.

Sala: 44, 45, 46, 49, 51 and 56.

Each casa has between 2-4 girls working. They offer massage with HJ (R$50) , massage with BJ (R$70) , massage with sex (R$110) or just sex without massage (R$80). I have no interest paying for massage so I only went for the sex options. This far I've payed R$80. The quality of the girls is not bad. Some really nice ones and a bunch of not so nice ones.

Yesterday I hit the jackpot at sala 46, (Amandas). They had a new girl that started yesterday. Leticia. 18 years, morena, incredible cute but shy, firm peach titties and very nice ass. I was her first customer ever so she was a bit experienced in the beginning. Gave an excellent BBBJ and turned out to be a natural talent in bed. A real sweetheart. R$80.

Today I tried Sabrina in sala 44. A very happy girl, morena clara, short, slim, quite big natural tits and a nice ass. Gave a very good tit-f*ck and a good service. A minus for CBJ. R$80.

IRACEMA CLUBS:

Forró mambo is still working. Café del Mar changed name to Bar 34. The Reggae Bar still has the cheapest beer.

Zipi Bar: R$10 minimum consumption (one beer). Lots of girls. Quite good quality. It seemed better than last year. Some stunners. The girls asks for R$100-150. Negotiable.

APARTMENTS:

People are crazy and wants to overcharge because of the world cup, even though it still 5 months away. Monthly rentals can be had at decent prices. Short time rentals, about one week, is absurd. They tries to charge R$150-200. I negotiated down to R$100 for a nice apartment. Very hard negotiating. After January (high season) prices will go down a bit for a few months.

FINAL NOTES:

As always the short, chubby, squaredhead girls without necks are in large majority in Fortaleza.

The most beautiful girls I see her are tourist girls or occasional regular local girls on the streets. Don't be shy. Smile and go up and talk to them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Papi Muy Rico; 1528140]... A lot of high class Brazilians and lots, lots of beautiful tourists from SP. I watched the Brasil-Chile game there with a full house of aprox 300-400 patrons. Tried to pick up something but I didn't get even the time of night! It was difficult even striking a casual conversation even with my good portuguese. I dressed nicely even better than most patrons there and tried to look my best. Apparently not a single GDP there.

Nice place to people watch, dine, drinks or beer. Maybe your luck might be better and you get to know a beautiful non GP Cearense.

I am going to MAO at the end of Feb-Carnaval, and also for the World Cup to MAO and Rio.

I have always wanted to meet you in person. Maybe we can get together this time and hunt together.

I'll PM you.

Have a good one.[/QUOTE]Boteco is a hangout for the upperclass or the ones who wants to pretend to be upperclass. Propably hard to hook up with a girl there.

Hev fun in Manaus and Rio.

Yo,

Will be in Forta between 6/13-6/21,my first time in Brazil. I have extensive experience in Colombia, Peru and other LAM, none in Brazil. Speak fluent Spanish and hope to get quickly used to porto accent. At least I will try to find some opps to break the ice with no pros, looking to see brazilian bundas and of course do surfing. Anyone from the board in Forta available? Sperto: will you be here?

Thanks,

ASurfer

I am interested in understanding the landscape of Fortaleza myself. I will be there in about two weeks and was wondering two things.

First, where are the best nighclubs in town to pick up non pros but local tourists.

Two, where are the best MPs in town one can visit.

Thanks for all the help.

[QUOTE=FirstAndState;1577833]I am interested in understanding the landscape of Fortaleza myself. I will be there in about two weeks and was wondering two things.

First, where are the best nighclubs in town to pick up non pros but local tourists.

Two, where are the best MPs in town one can visit.

Thanks for all the help.[/QUOTE]In Forta now and the WC is popping here, just wanted to confirm if the info posted back in Feb is still applicable with regards to the Privee? ABG, your help would be greatly appreciated.

I can only confirm Zipi bar and Forro Mambo, I was at Zipi last night and seemed decent.

A lot better gdp's at the main beach though, going to av Monsenhor Tambosa now so will report back. I may even try Bellisima too.

[QUOTE=FirstAndState;1585171]In Forta now and the WC is popping here, just wanted to confirm if the info posted back in Feb is still applicable with regards to the Privee? ABG, your help would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]

I can confirm av. Monsenhor Tabosa 111, sala 44 only.

Had a session with nice morena called Camilla but couldn't sample others due to Brazil's game today.

Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=GrandMenino;1585320]I can only confirm Zipi bar and Forro Mambo, I was at Zipi last night and seemed decent.

A lot better gdp's at the main beach though, going to av Monsenhor Tambosa now so will report back. I may even try Bellisima too.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GrandMenino;1585392]I can confirm av. Monsenhor Tabosa 111, sala 44 only.

Had a session with nice morena called Camilla but couldn't sample others due to Brazil's game today.

Happy mongering.[/QUOTE]GM,

Thanks for the update and information, I walked by 111 yesterday on my way to Pirata and the store front was closed and I was trying to scope where the entrance was but it looks like its by the side. Bellisimo is definitely in my plans as well before I head out. Will report my experience once I have an update.

Happy Mongering and stay safe.

[QUOTE=FirstAndState;1585705]Thanks for the update and information, I walked by 111 yesterday on my way to Pirata and the store front was closed and I was trying to scope where the entrance was but it looks like its by the side.[/QUOTE]The entrance is on Av Mons Tabosa, no 111. Impossible to miss.

Note: they are daytime privées.

The entrance is between shops, you can't miss it.

Theres a sign that's says "111".

Theres a security guy but ignore him and go to 2nd floor.

[QUOTE=FirstAndState;1585705]GM,

Thanks for the update and information, I walked by 111 yesterday on my way to Pirata and the store front was closed and I was trying to scope where the entrance was but it looks like its by the side. Bellisimo is definitely in my plans as well before I head out. Will report my experience once I have an update.

Happy Mongering and stay safe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sperto;1585756]The entrance is on Av Mons Tabosa, no 111. Impossible to miss.

Note: they are daytime prives.[/QUOTE]Found it and had a great experience in Sala 46 with Mikail, a moreno, went to 44 but didn't see anything appealing. Thanks for all the hook ups in Forta, I plan on visiting some other ones before I leave.

Once again,

Thanks

GrandMenino and FirstAndState, it would be great if you report the prices of the sessions. It's interesting to know if there have been price increases.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1585999]GrandMenino and FirstAndState, it would be great if you report the prices of the sessions. It's interesting to know if there have been price increases.[/QUOTE]Fair Point Sperto. When I went into the first room they quoted me 110 for the sex only option, and I didn't even bother staying there due to quality. I ended up paying 90 for that same option in the other room. And to add more detaill to my experience, she gave a good CBJ and really took her time. She was also great in bed switching positions and enjoyed her hair being pulled a little.

Was in Fortaleza earlier this week.

Went to Club do Drink, Belissima, and Zipi Bar.

Zipi Bar is right near the famous main beach area of Praia de Iracema (sp?) and is easily located using Google maps.

It is basically a "poor man's Help" . A somewhat large bar that is full of GDPs (freelencers) looking for customers. The customers this week during World Cup were mainly older (50+ white hair), larger (fatter) European tourists. Hearsay, I admit, is that Fortaleza is a lower-end mongering destination for a lot of people from Europe. Italians, Dutch, Germans, Portuguese. Looked like it. Didn't see many Americans, for instance. The bar was PACKED. Tons of girls, most of whom were not hot -- however with that number there are always the 1-2% that are do-able. When I say "not hot" I am judging against Cafe Foto, Miruna, and even the best of the bunch at 502, MV30, MC, etc. Going rate (first quote, no negotiation) was are $300 which seemed to be World Cup pricing. Lots of girls from other NE Brasil cities like Belem. By comparison my friend paid are $350 for 2 hours with a smoking hot escort from "Fortaleza by Night" (I think that was the site). So I'd say the girls at Zipi are tourist gouging. I left with no interest.

Belissima.

Every taxi driver knows where it is. You can't really walk there. Strange set up. Big house behind walls / doors. The "bar" area is like someone's rec room with weird tile floors and bright fluorescent lights. Girls were not attractive. I saw 2 that maybe were do-able but didn't seem that into it. Full of dudes too. No entrance fee, as far as I could tell. Drinks were cheap. Did not get session pricing. Left uninterested. Avoid.

Club do Drink.

A little farther out than Belissima. Again, taxi driver know it. Walled house. Flashed his headlights to have them open the gate. Small bar area. Fewer girls, again no real lookers, and not very crowded at 11 pm on a Thursday night. There is a pole in the corner of the bar. We were looking around and when we walked past the pole, all the girls started chanting "dance! Dance! Dance!" -- at least it made me smile LOL. Left without any interest, did not get pricing.

Sounds like the best bets are the privees -- especially Casa de Val, which gets good reviews on GPguia -- and the escort sites.

Overall I was pretty fucking unimpressed.

-Cartman.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;1588386]Was in Fortaleza earlier this week.

Went to Club do Drink, Belissima, and Zipi Bar.

Zipi Bar is right near the famous main beach area of Praia de Iracema (sp?) and is easily located using Google maps.

It is basically a "poor man's Help" . A somewhat large bar that is full of GDPs (freelencers) looking for customers. The customers this week during World Cup were mainly older (50+ white hair), larger (fatter) European tourists. Hearsay, I admit, is that Fortaleza is a lower-end mongering destination for a lot of people from Europe. Italians, Dutch, Germans, Portuguese. Looked like it. Didn't see many Americans, for instance. The bar was PACKED. Tons of girls, most of whom were not hot -- however with that number there are always the 1-2% that are do-able. When I say "not hot" I am judging against Cafe Foto, Miruna, and even the best of the bunch at 502, MV30, MC, etc. Going rate (first quote, no negotiation) was are $300 which seemed to be World Cup pricing. Lots of girls from other NE Brasil cities like Belem. By comparison my friend paid are $350 for 2 hours with a smoking hot escort from "Fortaleza by Night" (I think that was the site). So I'd say the girls at Zipi are tourist gouging. I left with no interest.

Belissima.

Every taxi driver knows where it is. You can't really walk there. Strange set up. Big house behind walls / doors. The "bar" area is like someone's rec room with weird tile floors and bright fluorescent lights. Girls were not attractive. I saw 2 that maybe were do-able but didn't seem that into it. Full of dudes too. No entrance fee, as far as I could tell. Drinks were cheap. Did not get session pricing. Left uninterested. Avoid.

Club do Drink.

A little farther out than Belissima. Again, taxi driver know it. Walled house. Flashed his headlights to have them open the gate. Small bar area. Fewer girls, again no real lookers, and not very crowded at 11 pm on a Thursday night. There is a pole in the corner of the bar. We were looking around and when we walked past the pole, all the girls started chanting "dance! Dance! Dance!" -- at least it made me smile LOL. Left without any interest, did not get pricing.

Sounds like the best bets are the privees -- especially Casa de Val, which gets good reviews on GPguia -- and the escort sites.

Overall I was pretty fucking unimpressed.

-Cartman.[/QUOTE]I hear ya man. I spent 5 days in Fortaleza last year and went to Zipi bar and the other one called Mambo or something next door which seems to take spill over crowd from Zipi the later it gets. . The selection was pretty bad except for a couple of girls. I even went to Armazem club on a Wednesday because I heard it was the night to go. There were some attractive girls there but I couldn't tell if they were regular customers or GDP's. Needless to say, I didn't session once anywhere in Fortaleza. Rumors of its demise as mongering destination were definitely true.

[QUOTE=AznSafado;1588726]I hear ya man. I spent 5 days in Fortaleza last year and went to Zipi bar and the other one called Mambo or something next door which seems to take spill over crowd from Zipi the later it gets. . The selection was pretty bad except for a couple of girls. I even went to Armazem club on a Wednesday because I heard it was the night to go. There were some attractive girls there but I couldn't tell if they were regular customers or GDP's. Needless to say, I didn't session once anywhere in Fortaleza. Rumors of its demise as mongering destination were definitely true.[/QUOTE


Have been to Fortaleza 5 times, the last being Fall of 2013. So my info below is as of a year ago:

Zipi bar is the early scene. A lot of the same girls from there go to other places like Mambo later that night.

Zipi has all types, some good looking, some average, some below average.

Mambo usually has more than a few good looking girls.

Bar 34 next to Mambo had very few people in it when I looked in. (It used to be Cafe del Mar).

I originally had the same confusion in my earlier trips about Armazem club (Wednesday nites) that you did.

I couldn't tell if they were pros or regular girls. I read on this forum that almost all are selling themselves.

When I went back to Armazem over a year ago, I realized that's true. Many are wearing short shorts.

And many are dressed like pros. Most of the girls there are GDPs available for money, just check how they dress.

And many at Armazem are pretty good looking.

The Iracema area has about half the number of nightclubs with available girls that it did 10 years ago.
A few clubs including Europa closed.
But with Mambo, Zipi, and Armazem on Wednesdays, I wouldn't agree that the action has completely "demised". There is still
action to be had, just not as much as 10 years ago.

I've been to Bellisimo twice. The first time I went there later in the evening, and there were a few good looking girls.

But most were not too hot. The second time I went too early, and there were only a few girls, none attractive.

You also used to be able to meet available garotas (GDPs) daytime on the beach at Praia de Futuro, but that stopped a few years ago.
(I heard because of political pressure).
That is unfortunate because it ended the chance of meeting these girls daytime at the beach.

Yearly update on the Fortaleza scene, January 2015.

GENERAL:
More brazilian tourists than usual. It seems to be less gringos than last year. As always Italians are in majority among the gringos, followed by a bunch of Dutch, Swiss and Scandinavians.

APARTMENT/HOTELS/POUSADAS:
Much harder than last year to find apartments. Prices between R$130-200/night. Less in low season and much less for long time rentals. Pousadas in the range of R$80-200. Take your time and check around. I found an excellent newly renovated pousada in a perfect location with kingsize-bed, AC, good Wifi, cable TV and frigobar. Negotiated it down from R$140 to R$100.

PRIVÉES:
* Rua Sena Madureira 961: About 10 puteiros on the first and second floor. An average of 3 girls/casa. Asking price R$60/30-45 minutes. The overall quality is low, but there are exceptions.
Recommendation: Natalia in the end of the corridor on the first floor. Until recently she just worked at one of the local escort sites. She got mad at her boss and started to work here. Morena clara, 25 years, blue eyes, big tits and a large round and firm ass. Very good session even though only CBJ. Allows photos. R$50/45 min. I think she won't work there for long. She's too beautiful to work in a cheap puteiro.
Note: Be careful with who (or what) you choose. You'll understand when you get there.
* Monsenhor Tabosa 111: On the second floor there are at least 7 privées. You recognise them by the doorcarpets.
Sala: 44, 45, 46, 49, 51, 54 and 56.
After my visits I would range the salas (best first): 46, 54, 51, 56, 44, 49, 45.
Things change quickly so make sure to check them all out. The porteiro gives good recommendations.
They offer massage with HJ, massage with BJ, massage with sex or just sex without massage. The sex only option was R$80 a year ago. Now it's R$100. IMO expensive to be Fortaleza. The overall quality is decent with a few really nice ones.
Recommendation: Bruna, sala 46, morena clara, 26 years, goodlooking, mediumsized wellshaped ass, strong legs and very nice large tits. R$100/40 min. Gave a very good service, but unfortunately only CBJ. Allows photos.

IRACEMA CLUBS:
* Wh*re-crossing: In the wh*re-crossing you'll find Forró Mambo, ex-Café del Mar and the next door bars. As always the Reggae Bar has the cheapest beer in the neighbourhood. Much less people in the wh*re-crossing than earlier years. Very slow action.
* Armazem: Continues to have Wednesdays as wh*re-night. Don't be mistaken. All the girls are GPs.
* Zipi Bar: R$10 minimum consumption (one beer). Nice to hang out and observe. Lots of girls. The majority of the girls are not very exciting, but you can find gems.
Recommendation: Extremely strong recommendation! Rafaela, girl from Natal who arrived in Fortaleza yesterday. She spends most of the year travelling around Europe visiting sugardaddies. She'll be working in Iracema for a week. Then arrives a rich sugardaddy with whom she'll stay with for one month. Rafaela, morena clara, 25 years, very cute, happy and smart, nice round ass and a pair of absolutely amazing tits! Huge, natural and perfectly shaped melons. Among the 20 best pair of melon-tits I ever had in Brazil. When Rafaela walked into Zipi Bar with thouse bouncing boobies in a tiny top everybody just froze and stared at her. Breathtakingly sexy! I didn't waste a second and picked her quickly. Settled for R$120. Absolutely fantastic session with all kinds of sex, except anal. Gives heavenly titf*ck. She loves to have her photo taken, even during the act. :) I'll keep her on my repeat-list.

NON-PRO'S:
Fortaleza is very good ground for meeting non-pro's. You'll meet them in Iracema, Beira-Mar and Centro. Local girls as well as brazilian tourist girls.
Avoid the chubby, heavily built, short girls with football-heads and no necks. There are plenty of them around.

SIDE-NOTE:
If you enjoy running. Do your running in Iracema to Beira-Mar around 5.30 in the morning. Excellent as they close half the avenida in Beira-Mar for runners that early. There must be almost 1000 runners every morning. Lots of runner-clubs. There are a whole lot of very hot wellshaped girls running!

Sperto,

I wonder what was the going rate for TLN these days. I mean: what do the girls ask for, and what would be a normal price to accept for us? I used to pay are R$ 100 for one night, and maybe the following nights she would stay for free. Highest was are R$ 120, lowest are R$ 70 for TLN. And the cheap one was a cute spinner.

I do mean reais, that symbol doesn't seem to appear on the editor...

[QUOTE=Pyjama;1669894]I wonder what was the going rate for TLN these days. I mean: what do the girls ask for, and what would be a normal price to accept for us?[/QUOTE]It depends on the girl and what time you pick her. If it's late at night propably R$100.

Canoa Quebrada is located close to Fortaleza, so I put the update in this thread.

General: Canoa Quebrada offers very nice beaches, relaxed atmosphere and excellent restaurants.

Nightlife: Concentraded to a 100 m strip on Broadway. Bar Todo Mundo, Canoa Central, Bar do Reggare, Meu Xodo, Caverna etc. Good lightlife only on weekends.

Pro's: There are about two dozens of pro's. A handful hot ones. However, the majority are oldies. Girls that I saw in Canoa 20-25 years ago. They used to f*ck for free. Now they are desperate trying to earn a living. Doesn't help they have bought silicontits. Don't come to Canoa hoping to find lots of hot GPs.

Non-pro's: Canoa has been one of the easiest places in Brazil getting laid for free. There used be lots of girls coming from other cities and villages wanting to have sex with gringos for free. Also many girls from the neighbour city Aracati. Things have changed a lot. Canoa is no longer that popular. It's still relatively easy to getting laid with a non-pro, but the hot ones are few.

One reason Canoa is going downhill is because the locals are getting greedy. Several of the small clubs on Broadway have started to charge a R$10 entrance. This is ridiculous. In Canoa people are used to wander around from bar to bar for free. The locals are not interested in wasting money on entrance fees. Resulting in that they stay in Aracati and ignore Canoa.

Safety: Be aware that some of the girls are bandits. They might put Boa Noite Cinderela in your drink and together with their friends they clean out your room.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1669516]* Monsenhor Tabosa 111: On the second floor there are at least 7 prives. You recognise them by the doorcarpets.
Sala: 44, 45, 46, 49, 51, 54 and 56.
After my visits I would range the salas (best first): 46, 54, 51, 56, 44, 49, 45.[/QUOTE]
Update on MT111. I've been back a few times. I would rank no 54 as the best sala. Several cuties and exceptionally clean and with a good smell. Same prices as the other salas, R$100 for sex only, but better value. Todays recommendation is Gabriella, 22 year old beautiful maranhense.
Unfortunately all the girls on MT111 insist on CBJ.

Hi guys,

Anyone know of any decent standard Hotels in Fortaleza that are "girl friendly" ?

I don t wish to encounter any embarrassing moments like I had in Rio when I brought a non pro back to my hotel.

Any advice much appreciated.

[QUOTE=DublinerOnTout;1684606]Hi guys,

Anyone know of any decent standard Hotels in Fortaleza that are "girl friendly" ?

I don t wish to encounter any embarrassing moments like I had in Rio when I brought a non pro back to my hotel.

Any advice much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Hotel Americas, is "girl friendly" but is not very comfortable. Very close you can find Hotel Casablanca, better quality and service, I've been several times but is like a "two / three stars" in Europe. Both hotels are in Iracema.

[QUOTE=Colargol;1688705]Hotel Americas, is "girl friendly" but is not very comfortable. ...[/QUOTE]Girl friendly: yes!

And I did feel very comfortable in Hotel Americas! It is sort of old fashioned, colonial style, no luxury. But it was nice for me, and I did have a lot of fun with the GDP in this hotel.

But this was some years ago, don't know about how it is today.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1669516]Yearly update on the Fortaleza scene, January 2015.

... I found an excellent newly renovated pousada in a perfect location with kingsize-bed, AC...

* Zipi Bar: R$10 minimum consumption (one beer). Nice to hang out and observe. Lots of girls. The majority of the girls are not very exciting, but you can find gems.

[/QUOTE]
I might be able to go to Forta, but only for a couple of days.
As my plane would arrive only at night, I would very much apreciate if you could tell us the name of this pousada so I could go straight there and give it a try. May I assume this pousada was girl-friendly?

Oh, old memories. I was wondering if they still have this billard table. Always was lot of fun playing against the GDPs!

Hello guys,

I go to Fortaleza this week and would like to know how is Iracema nightclubs, someone was there recently that could help me. I was there three years and the bars were Forro Mambo, Zip bar and cafe del Mar. And on Wednesday all boates close and the putedo goes to armazem. I wonder if these clubs are still open.

Thank you, greetings.

Hello guys,

My name is Kezman. I live in Fortaleza and love young girls. I fuck lots of girls here in Fortaleza.

1st tip- do not go to belíssima 2020. The girls there are very ugly. And most of them hates sex (except for one girl named Carol- who loves dick in the ass and cum in her moth-. But she is not Perry. She has a decent body though).

Kez

[QUOTE=DublinerOnTout;1684606]Hi guys,

Anyone know of any decent standard Hotels in Fortaleza that are "girl friendly" ?

I don t wish to encounter any embarrassing moments like I had in Rio when I brought a non pro back to my hotel.

Any advice much appreciated.[/QUOTE]I always stay at Vila Costeira on Avenida Beira Mar. It's about 2 miles east of Iracema.

(to the right as you face the ocean). It's an "apartment hotel".

Was last there in October 2013. It was still guest friendly at that time.

Can't remember the price, I think at least $70 US per night at the time.

Probably a little more now. But buffet breakfast included.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1670941]Canoa Quebrada is located close to Fortaleza, so I put the update in this thread.

General: Canoa Quebrada offers very nice beaches, relaxed atmosphere and excellent restaurants.

Nightlife: Concentraded to a 100 m strip on Broadway. Bar Todo Mundo, Canoa Central, Bar do Reggare, Meu Xodo, Caverna etc. Good lightlife only on weekends.

Pro's: There are about two dozens of pro's. A handful hot ones. However, the majority are oldies. Girls that I saw in Canoa 20-25 years ago. They used to f*ck for free. Now they are desperate trying to earn a living. Doesn't help they have bought silicontits. Don't come to Canoa hoping to find lots of hot GPs.

Non-pro's: Canoa has been one of the easiest places in Brazil getting laid for free. There used be lots of girls coming from other cities and villages wanting to have sex with gringos for free. Also many girls from the neighbour city Aracati. Things have changed a lot. Canoa is no longer that popular. It's still relatively easy to getting laid with a non-pro, but the hot ones are few.

One reason Canoa is going downhill is because the locals are getting greedy. Several of the small clubs on Broadway have started to charge a R$10 entrance. This is ridiculous. In Canoa people are used to wander around from bar to bar for free. The locals are not interested in wasting money on entrance fees. Resulting in that they stay in Aracati and ignore Canoa.

Safety: Be aware that some of the girls are bandits. They might put Boa Noite Cinderela in your drink and together with their friends they clean out your room.[/QUOTE]Sperto,

I see from your reports. That you are quite an expert on the Fortaleza scene, I've been here in Brazil for the last 2 years, had my fair share of girls, mostly via online dating sites, however, would love to go out and hit the local places, the pros, the semi pros and the non pros alike. If you are up for some game, drop me a line.

I've been hanging around all the areas mentioned in the various posts and this town looks like a good and nice town for families and kids, the beach front awash with.

Normal boys and girls, out on the play, no hookers to be seen nearly anywhere, very little to no street action on all locations mentioned, the clubs still go on and the Prive's too, but really nothing exciting, why has this town got a name as a paradise for horny old men looking for pretty hotties, I don't know. Or they've cleaned up the place, or I'm blind? Please enlighten me.

[QUOTE=TheHidden1;1732036]I've been hanging around all the areas mentioned in the various posts and this town looks like a good and nice town for families and kids, the beach front awash with.

Normal boys and girls, out on the play, no hookers to be seen nearly anywhere, very little to no street action on all locations mentioned, the clubs still go on and the Prive's too, but really nothing exciting, why has this town got a name as a paradise for horny old men looking for pretty hotties, I don't know. Or they've cleaned up the place, or I'm blind? Please enlighten me.[/QUOTE]Both, they have cleaned up Fortaleza, and also you're blind if you don't see any GPs. The privê scene is nothing compared to Rio or São Paulo. The Iracema GP scene is just a faint memory of what it used to be. Still there are plenty of GPs in Iracema and Beira Mar. IMO there are two ways of getting laid in Fortaleza. Going for non-pro´s or hook up with piranhas on the street, beach or in the clubs.

[QUOTE=TheHidden1;1732036]I've been hanging around all the areas mentioned in the various posts and this town looks like a good and nice town for families and kids, the beach front awash with.

Normal boys and girls, out on the play, no hookers to be seen nearly anywhere, very little to no street action on all locations mentioned, the clubs still go on and the Prive's too, but really nothing exciting, why has this town got a name as a paradise for horny old men looking for pretty hotties, I don't know. Or they've cleaned up the place, or I'm blind? Please enlighten me.[/QUOTE]I haven't been there in a year and a half, but am surprised you found no action.
Has it stopped?

Regarding beaches:
There used to be programa girls daytime at some of the beaches at Praia de Futuro, but that stopped a few years ago.

Did you try these clubs?:

Don't they still have Mambo and Bar 34 next door to Mambo (used to be called Cafe del Mar).

Mambo got filled up with programa girls later at night (after 12:30 or 1) when I was there.
Mambo has always been the top spot for action in town, although it's had different names.

Bar 34 did look kind of dead when I looked in.

Zippys had lots of programa girls until about midnight or 1, when I was last there in 2013.

Also, did you try Armazem on Wednesday nites? That had lots of programa girls when I was there in 2013.

Armazem starts late though, after 12:30 or 1:00.

There were also a few programa girls in 2013 (though not as many as years ago) in the early evening in the outdoor cafes on Beira Mar
across the street from McDonalds.

Have all these places changed? Mambo, Zippy's, Armazem, and the others? Are these places dead now? Are they closed or no more Programa girls?

[QUOTE=Sperto;1732775]Both, they have cleaned up Fortaleza, and also you're blind if you don't see any GPs. The priv scene is nothing compared to Rio or So Paulo. The Iracema GP scene is just a faint memory of what it used to be. Still there are plenty of GPs in Iracema and Beira Mar. IMO there are two ways of getting laid in Fortaleza. Going for non-pros or hook up with piranhas on the street, beach or in the clubs.[/QUOTE]They were sure pretty successful in their clean up job, since my glasses are quite clean, on the streets, as such, it's pretty empty, no girls by day along the beaches and.

Not much in the evening in all the places where people mentioned that there was up to 50 girls, like near the cathedral or along Beira Mar. & Abolicao, there is "quase nada".

There. The Prive scene is pretty scares too, the only place there are still some action are in zippys and Mambo forro, as far as I can see, the rest is dead!

Sperto, if you are up for gaming some non pro's, drop me a line, I'm very much up for it.

[QUOTE=HenryR;1732923]I haven't been there in a year and a half, but am surprised you found no action.
Has it stopped?

Regarding beaches:

There used to be programa girls daytime at some of the beaches at Praia de Futuro, but that stopped a few years ago.

Did you try these clubs?:

Don't they still have Mambo and Bar 34 next door to Mambo (used to be called Cafe del Mar).

Mambo got filled up with programa girls later at night (after 12:30 or 1) when I was there.

Mambo has always been the top spot for action in town, although it's had different names.

Bar 34 did look kind of dead when I looked in.

Zippys had lots of programa girls until about midnight or 1, when I was last there in 2013...[/QUOTE]Well, besides Mambo's, Zippys, there is little going on here, streets, beaches are all void of GDP and looks very much like a family affair, I've not yet been Armazem.

So, I can't say anything about that, but will check it out.

I am one of the earliest sexplorers of Fortaleza and contributor on this board. Since then, I have taken several trips. Here is what you do:

During the day: Buy local newspapers and look at the casa advertisements. Take any taxi off the road and hand him this paper. Buy some credit for his phone and have him call the several places. Go to various casas. If you like a girl, take her to a motel. Unless the place is half decent. If good chemistry, offer to take her out in the evening. Try to do that all day long. By the end of day, you will have one girl that is willing to go out with you for TLN. You may not even have to pay her. Unless you feel like paying her. For these casa girls, the offer will be hard to refuse.

During the Night: If you are unsuccessful at Zippy, take a taxi and ask him to take you to a strip club. You may find someone there that you would like!

Motels are cheap in Fortal. I prefer to take girls there for a test drive!

[QUOTE=TheHidden1;1733023]Sperto, if you are up for gaming some non pro's, drop me a line, I'm very much up for it.[/QUOTE]Not possible as I'm not in Fortaleza now.

Good hunting!

[QUOTE=TheHidden1;1733025]Well, besides Mambo's, Zippys, there is little going on here, streets, beaches are all void of GDP and looks very much like a family affair, I've not yet been Armazem.

So, I can't say anything about that, but will check it out.[/QUOTE]I am curious to know what is going on now at Mambo's, Zippy's and Armazem (Armazem only on Wednesdays).

Are they still full of programa girls?

If so, that's good enough for me. If not, will have to go elsewhere besides Fortaleza.

Anyone been to those Iracema clubs recently? If so, please let us know what the action is like now at those 3 places:

Mambo's, Zippy's and Armazem.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=HenryR;1733876]I am curious to know what is going on now at Mambo's, Zippy's and Armazem (Armazem only on Wednesdays).

Are they still full of programa girls?

If so, that's good enough for me. If not, will have to go elsewhere besides Fortaleza.

Anyone been to those Iracema clubs recently? If so, please let us know what the action is like now at those 3 places:

Mambo's, Zippy's and Armazem.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Zippy's, I've been, it's still alive and kicking, though the talent is far and few in between, no real hotties as such, some OK to nice girls. Mambo's is still working in full force, though, I've not been inside, but, it's defo the number one place to go, I've passed by there quite a few times, seems busy, I will check it out and report back.

Armazem, never been. I hear that Pirata's on Monday nights are full of GDP's, will check it out, hopefully, next week.

Having said all that, Fortaleza is a far cry from the impression I get that it once was. I was also in Natal few weeks ago, totally dry, few older girls here and there, nothing to write home about. On the other hand, I must mention that I got laid by non pros in Fortaleza, more than any other place in Brazil and I've been roaming around Brazil the last two years, however, that was all from online and non pro's, which is nice.

[QUOTE=Henry R;1733876]I am curious to know what is going on now at Mambo's, Zippy's and Armazem (Armazem only on Wednesdays).....

Anyone been to those Iracema clubs recently? If so, please let us know what the action is like now at those 3 places:

Mambo's, Zippy's and Armazem.[/QUOTE]

As TheHidden1 wrote in both of his latest posts (just below your post) there are still action at Zipi Bar and Forró Mambo. The same goes for Armazem on Wednesdays.

[QUOTE=TheHidden1;1733880]Zippy's, I've been, it's still alive and kicking, though the talent is far and few in between, no real hotties as such, some OK to nice girls. Mambo's is still working in full force, though, I've not been inside, but, it's defo the number one place to go, I've passed by there quite a few times, seems busy, I will check it out and report back.

Armazem, never been. I hear that Pirata's on Monday nights are full of GDP's, will check it out, hopefully, next week.

Having said all that, Fortaleza is a far cry from the impression I get that it once was. I was also in Natal few weeks ago, totally dry, few older girls here and there, nothing to write home about. On the other hand, I must mention that I got laid by non pros in Fortaleza, more than any other place in Brazil and I've been roaming around Brazil the last two years, however, that was all from online and non pro's, which is nice.[/QUOTE]TheHidden1: You were in Natal recently. Did you check out Praca Jardim (formerly Fuso Horario) on Salsa Street in Ponta Negra?

It used to be a good place, but some people on the Natal boards say it's dried up.

Regarding why I asked about Mambo and Zippy's after you already wrote about it.

You wrote that there was "some action" there. That's pretty vague.

I wanted to know if there were lots of programa girls or just a few. Thanks for your latest post.

You now wrote that Mambo and Zippys do have lots of programa girls, so that now has answered my question.

[QUOTE=Kezman;1712385]Hello guys,

My name is Kezman. I live in Fortaleza and love young girls. I fuck lots of girls here in Fortaleza.

1st tip- do not go to belssima 2020. The girls there are very ugly. And most of them hates sex (except for one girl named Carol- who loves dick in the ass and cum in her moth-. But she is not Perry. She has a decent body though).

Kez[/QUOTE]Well Kezman,

Still waiting for nr 2.

My 2 cents:

Coming to Fortaleza since the 90's.

Nowadays there's not much left of the good times.

Beach action is zero.

Zippies and Mambo are still OK, but by no means can make up for what Iracema used to be.

Went there last year, so my info might be dated already.

Next time I'll try Armazem and Piratas.

Also might try out some normal bar or disco.

Please provide us with more tips.

I am currently in Fortaleza. Now please do realize I frequently visit Medellin, Colombia so my scale of good looking girls is way high. So a 7 to me could be a 9 to many.

Ok so here is my trip report so far. I am staying in an apartment on Beira Mar.

Street action right next to Beira Mar street there are few girls standing on street asking 100 Reais. These girls are not even 3. 5 to 4 in looks. Basically they will go for 70 Reais a pop.

Next I went to Bellisima 2020. There were about 35 girls here. Shitty service. Girl looks about 5. 5 in my opinion. I did a session just because I needed to have sex that night. Shitty service given by the girl even the blow job was covered. The girl did not want to kiss on lips. Cost of sex 172 Reais. Although before going in I tried to tell the girl that she would get second session in that one hour from me if she treated me good but no use. Second session she wanted 80 Reais more which I would have paid her the girl was 6. 5 looks.

Next I went to Casa do whiskey about 20 girls here. Girls here looks were 7 to 8 in looks tops. But they were asking about 400 Reais for 2 hrs. Now. I don't mind paying but the girls still wanted to do covered blow job and I did not feel like paying the higher amount of money for what would have turned out to be average session.

Next I went to Zippy bar about 30 girls here. Girl looks quality is from 4. 5 to 7 or 7. 5 max. Now girls prices were between 100 Reais to 250 Reais. Well 250 was just one girl who was the hottest girl in the club. But she would have gone for 200 Reais. Now service quality here is also average. Nothing to write home about.

Over all Fortaleza is not that great so far. I had better luck at Senzhala in Natal at least service was better and looks were 7 to 7. 5.

Damnnnn. Brazil has changed for the worse over last 10 years at the speed of light.

[QUOTE=John;1742664]I am currently in Fortaleza. Now please do realize I frequently visit Medellin, Colombia so my scale of good looking girls is way high. So a 7 to me could be a 9 to many.

Ok so here is my trip report so far. I am staying in an apartment on Beira Mar.

Street action right next to Beira Mar street there are few girls standing on street asking 100 Reais. These girls are not even 3. 5 to 4 in looks. Basically they will go for 70 Reais a pop.

Next I went to Bellisima 2020. There were about 35 girls here. Shitty service. Girl looks about 5. 5 in my opinion. I did a session just because I needed to have sex that night. Shitty service given by the girl even the blow job was covered. The girl did not want to kiss on lips. Cost of sex 172 Reais. Although before going in I tried to tell the girl that she would get second session in that one hour from me if she treated me good but no use. Second session she wanted 80 Reais more which I would have paid her the girl was 6. 5 looks.

Next I went to Casa do whiskey about 20 girls here. Girls here looks were 7 to 8 in looks tops. But they were asking about 400 Reais for 2 hrs. Now. I don't mind paying but the girls still wanted to do covered blow job and I did not feel like paying the higher amount of money for what would have turned out to be average session.

Next I went to Zippy bar about 30 girls here. Girl looks quality is from 4. 5 to 7 or 7. 5 max. Now girls prices were between 100 Reais to 250 Reais. Well 250 was just one girl who was the hottest girl in the club. But she would have gone for 200 Reais. Now service quality here is also average. Nothing to write home about.

Over all Fortaleza is not that great so far. I had better luck at Senzhala in Natal at least service was better and looks were 7 to 7. 5.

Damnnnn. Brazil has changed for the worse over last 10 years at the speed of light.[/QUOTE]That doesn't sound the Brasil I once knew and loved. I've never been to Fortaleza, but in dozens of trips to Rio, SP, and elsewhere, I never once had a covered BJ. In fact a very high % asked me to cum in their mouth.

[QUOTE=Combo;1742711]That doesn't sound the Brasil I once knew and loved. I've never been to Fortaleza, but in dozens of trips to Rio, SP, and elsewhere, I never once had a covered BJ. In fact a very high % asked me to cum in their mouth.[/QUOTE]John, you did not manage to make a tour with a local guide. Least time I've been to Fortaleza I contacted my Cutuca buddy, he introduced me to two hot Cearenses, we went to Praia do Futuro and had a wonderfull time. Both girls did BBBJTC, DFK and DATY. 200 reais for each for a whole afternoon.

The rule is always find a local monger to go with you, in order to have the best results.

ABG.

This is not the same Brazil I ever knew either. Fucking girls said no even when they saw me leaving. I am not new to this game I have been mongering for over a decade and have probably fucked over 1,500 to 2,000 girls all over the world. I speak fluent spanish and had stayed in Brazil in 2004 for 3 months straight. This is my 5th trip to Brazil since 2003. First being in 2003.

[QUOTE=Combo;1742711]That doesn't sound the Brasil I once knew and loved. I've never been to Fortaleza, but in dozens of trips to Rio, SP, and elsewhere, I never once had a covered BJ. In fact a very high % asked me to cum in their mouth.[/QUOTE]

Hi,

Can you give us the address of the Casa of Whiskey in Fortaleza, can you explain, I don't known the place, famous said you!

Hi folks!

Hi,

I just coming from Fortaleza at end of June, a lot of bars were closed (mambo, del Mar., disco) empty, no programma.

Just ZIPPI was open enough late for action 10, pm until 12,pm, only this time with GP, some were enough pretty, some gems, just 5, only, each night, some bad look, too much big or old 10 girls, each night.

Total just 15 in action, a few people.

A few action, too, in the streets, some pretty hookers, 5 or 6 at the same time.

Price for one shoot, 1 hour, in hotel 150 reals, all they ask for 200, but with 150 is OK, the same price each girl.

Take easy folks.

H

I was there last December and had a great time at Belissma. All the taxi drivers know where it is. If I remember correctly, it was about 140 R / hour. My first visit was on a weekday in the afternoon and it was really slow. Not that many girls, but they were all "do-able". My second visit was on Sunday afternoon and the place was really hoping. Lot of girls, lots of customers.

Clinica's are like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get until you open one.

[QUOTE=Hatice;1745494]Hi,

I just coming from Fortaleza at end of June, a lot of bars were closed (mambo, del Mar., disco) empty, no programma.

Just ZIPPI was open enough late for action 10, pm until 12,pm, only this time with GP, some were enough pretty, some gems, just 5, only, each night, some bad look, too much big or old 10 girls, each night.

Total just 15 in action, a few people.

A few action, too, in the streets, some pretty hookers, 5 or 6 at the same time.

Price for one shoot, 1 hour, in hotel 150 reals, all they ask for 200, but with 150 is OK, the same price each girl.

Take easy folks.

H[/QUOTE]Are the big nightclubs like Mambo, Bar 34 (formerly Cafe del Mar) closed for good, or just for the summer (their winter)? Or is it just temporary, until the Olympics are finished?

Canoa Quebrada is a 3 hour busride south from Fortaleza. Not much has changed since my last update.

General: Canoa Quebrada offers nice beaches, cheap lodgings, relaxed atmosphere and excellent restaurants.

Nightlife: Concentraded to a 100 m strip on Broadway. Bar Todo Mundo, Canoa Central, Bar do Reggare, Meu Xodo, Caverna etc. Good lightlife mainly on Saturdays.

Pro's: There are roughly 15 pro's on a weekend. Some are old and ugly and few are hotties.

Non-pro's: Canoa has been one of the easiest places in Brazil getting laid for free. There used be lots of girls coming from other cities and villages wanting to have sex with gringos for free. Also many girls from the neighbour city Aracati. Things have changed a lot. Canoa is no longer that popular. It's still relatively easy to getting laid with a non-pro, but the hot ones are few.

Note: In some cases in Canoa it can be hard to tell wether a girl is a working girl or not. If you're in doubt, just ask (in a nice way). There are whole bunch of gringos in Canoa also looking for p*ssy. They shouldn't offer much competition as they are mostly old, thin-haired guys with big bellies. I found myself a zumbtateacher for free, with the biggest natural tits I had in two years. :)

* Pousada Ideal: Rua Jaime Benévolo 154. A new place to me. An astonishing beautiful girl showed me to room nr 13 and 14. Unfortunately the guiding girl doesn't do programas. One girl each in nr 13 and 14. R$50/30 min. Not doable girls. Might be that the pousada houses more girls.

* Rua Sena Madureira 961: About 10 puteiros on the first and second floor (caution, the second floor houses a mixture of women and false-women). Asking price R$40-60. Today I only found one interesting girl. Salete (?), morena clara, decently cute, decent ass and very large nice natural tits (no kids). Only CBJ. First she refused I used my own condoms and only wanted to use tight low-quality brazilian condoms thick as bike tubes. This girl will go to my hall of shames as one of the worst f*cks I ever had. Some GPs does false moanings to turn on the clients. This girl did constantly some very weird slurping sounds like she was eating a melting popsicle. Very annoying and she didn't stop when I told her to stop. I seriously think she was a bit retarded. I got pissed and decided not to pop. She got surprised and wanted to charge R$10 extra because I didn't pop. Must be some kind of brazilian logic. No extra R$ to her. The act costed R$40. First time ever I went to a privê without popping.

* Monsenhor Tabosa 111: On the second floor there are at least 7 privées. You recognise them by the heartshaped doorcarpets.
Sala: 44, 45, 46, 49, 51, 54 and 56.
Today I only did a recon and didn't session. All of them charge R$100, up to 60 min. Only CBJ. I came by during lunchtime and only noticed one really hot girl. I'll be back. I do have to say it's overpriced. In Manaus last week I payed half the price, and that was BBBJ.
I noticed a couple of German and Dutch guys coming up the stairs. It'll be harder to negotiate with more gringos discovering MT111.

A special recommendation to all very-large-natural-tits-connoisseurs.
Av Monsenhor Tabosa 111, sala 44.
Lorena, morena escura, 22 years, cute, academia-legs, a few extra kilos, big bubblebutt and very impressive natural tits. Her tits are the size of handballs, perfectly shaped, very firm, no kids and beautiful areolas.
Very GFE, CBJ, excellent titf*ck and performs great. Allows photos and does anal without extra cost, which I didn't try. R$100/1 hour. A bit hefty to be a nordeste-privê but worth the money.
She'll propably not stay too long in the privê-business

Yearly update on the Fortaleza scene, January 2016.

GENERAL:
Just as many brazilian tourists as usual. Less gringos than last year. Mostly Italians and some Dutch, Germans and Swiss.

APARTMENT/HOTELS/POUSADAS:
Harder than ever to find good apartments, and more expensive as well. Prices from R$150. I stay in a pousada in a great location. Kingsize-bed, AC, Wifi, cable TV, frigobar, oceanview and no extra charge for GF visiting (without sleeping over). Negotiated it down from R$150 to R$90. There are plenty of hotels and pousadas, just check around and negotiate.

PRIVÉES:
As listed in the posts below.

IRACEMA CLUBS:
The options for mongering bars and clubs are now extremely limited.
* Wh*re-crossing: In the wh*re-crossing it's just about Forró Mambo left. It's not even open every night the GPs told me. Café del Mar is closed. Some small bars behind CDM, but nothing interesting. The Reggae Bar is still working and sells cheap beer.
* Armazem: Continues to have Wednesdays as wh*re-night.
* Zipi Bar: Zipi is just about the only mongering bar/club that I find interesting. R$14 minimum consumption. Nice relaxed atmosphere. Lots of girls. The majority are hardly doable, unless you're desperate. About a dozen beautiful girls and maybe 1-2 girls that are 9-10 points. The girls ask for R$150, but the majority are propably negotiable to R$100.

NON-PRO'S:
The best way to meet beautiful girls (tourist girls as well as local girls) in Fortaleza is going for non-pro's. Try Iracema, Beira-Mar and Centro. Beware that Fortaleza have lots of short and fat girls with squared heads and no necks.

I've a 100% newbie to this stuff. Can someone break out what I should do?

I'm staying on the beach in Beira Mar Fortaleza but I can not bring someone back here. How do I find these places you guys are discussing? Just ask a cab driver? I'm only interested in brothels and not bringing girls back. Safety advice?

So I'm back.

I was at mosenhor tabosa 111 - sala 51 (room 51).

Fucked a girl named Juliana she is "branquinha". White. Kind of chubby.

Cum in mouth.

Very rare there. Almost all of them sucks with condom. But not Juliana "branquinha".

Hello guys,

In June I go to Fortaleza and I wonder if anyone knows if the Zipi bar and Forró Mambo are still open?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=RuiSilvano;1875633]Hello guys,

In June I go to Fortaleza and I wonder if anyone knows if the Zipi bar and Forr Mambo are still open?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]
In January both were open. I know for sure that Zipi still is open. I don't know about Forró Mambo. It doesn't really care because it's mainly the same girls you see at both places.
Don't forget to report back.

If you did not already know, Brazil has the best sex scene in the world and Fortaleza has the best action in Brazil. Thailand is nothing. That is why I have been going there for years. I went for Rio de Janeiro this year but the prices were double and compared to Fortaleza girls and atmosphere was much more "professional". I got myself a beach house some time ago and it is a perfect place to bring a girl for a late night swim in the pool and to spend a whole night with her. This option is an alternative to those fuck rooms and hotel room aggravation which are always difficult between the working girls and hotel staff. I rent two houses in the suburbs of Fortaleza which are perfect to have a extremely fun and sexy trip to Fortaleza. [URL]www.carecaresidencias.weebly.com[/URL] Ask for tips.

[QUOTE=FortalezaHeat;1886793]If you did not already know, Brazil has the best sex scene in the world and Fortaleza has the best action in Brazil. Thailand is nothing. That is why I have been going there for years. I went for Rio de Janeiro this year but the prices were double and compared to Fortaleza girls and atmosphere was much more "professional". I got myself a beach house some time ago and it is a perfect place to bring a girl for a late night swim in the pool and to spend a whole night with her. This option is an alternative to those fuck rooms and hotel room aggravation which are always difficult between the working girls and hotel staff. I rent two houses in the suburbs of Fortaleza which are perfect to have a extremely fun and sexy trip to Fortaleza. [URL]www.carecaresidencias.weebly.com[/URL] Ask for tips.[/QUOTE]
600 Euro/week. Absurd price considering it's in Ceará.

Was here early June. Some good looking girls both walking around and in the venues below. Plenty discovery as was expecting fat girls with no necks based on the below!

Zipi was buzzing the last night I was there - 20-30 girls, a few good lookers (not as many as bellisima). Wish I had come here before. A lot of fun to be had. Took away a nice looking white girl for 250 brl plus 65 for motel. Lot of street action outside Zipi BTW.

Belissima. Thought this was great this place. Quite a few good lookers. 173 brl a pop. Got monopolized by a crazy chick later on. Lesson learnt there. Don't get tied down!

Casa Whiskey. Total scam. 10 or so girls, 2-3 good lookers. Took one away. Was quoted 650 brl. Sheesh. Anyway, paid it, went to motel (not what I expected). No fingers or kissing! And had to pay the motel bill at the end. Crazy and never again. Casa whiskey is a big avoid.

There is definitely fun to be had in Fortaleza. Might not be up there with Rio or times gone by, but worth a try if on the way somewhere.

Hello IAmYourFather5,

And thanks for information. I will be in Fortaleza in 12 June and I want to know if the Forró Mambo remains open and Complexo Armazém is non-pro's or work girls nightclub?

Thank You.

Hi,

I'm going to visit Fortaleza soon. I was wondering if there's any guides that would help me out to determine the best clubs and hotels to be in. I've been reading the forums and still can't decide. I wonder if there's anyone (promoters) who will actually whatsapp me or connect with me while I'm there for faster responses as these forums may take a couple days for responses.

Thanks. PM me.

[QUOTE=SamsaDees;1893489]Hi,

I'm going to visit Fortaleza soon. I was wondering if there's any guides that would help me out to determine the best clubs and hotels to be in. I've been reading the forums and still can't decide. I wonder if there's anyone (promoters) who will actually whatsapp me or connect with me while I'm there for faster responses as these forums may take a couple days for responses.

Thanks. PM me.[/QUOTE]Hello,

I live in Fortaleza since 2010 working as a city guide. If you need any help, E. G. Check the clubs, help if there are problems, get a girl-friendly room, change money to a good rate, please contact me. I will send you a PM.

Have fun!

[QUOTE=FortalezaMan10;1896159]Hello,

I live in Fortaleza since 2010 working as a city guide. If you need any help, E. G. Check the clubs, help if there are problems, get a girl-friendly room, change money to a good rate, please contact me. I will send you a PM.

Have fun![/QUOTE]
Monger-guide in Fortaleza which have very limited monger options? I think you'll have to buy a membership if you want to send/receive PMs.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1896192]Monger-guide in Fortaleza which have very limited monger options? I think you'll have to buy a membership if you want to send/receive PMs.[/QUOTE]Ok thanks Sperto, did not know.

To add to my comments below, Armazem on Wednesdays starts up around midnight. Think it is easier to seal a deal with a girl and with less competition (from other males at Zipi. IE get your business done before going to Armazem!

[QUOTE=RuiSilvano;1875633]Hello guys,

In June I go to Fortaleza and I wonder if anyone knows if the Zipi bar and Forr Mambo are still open?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]I'm curious too. Is Mambo still open? If so, how is it nowadays?
Also, is Armazem still hopping on Wednesday nites?

[QUOTE=Henry R;1922074]I'm curious too. Is Mambo still open? If so, how is it nowadays?
Also, is Armazem still hopping on Wednesday nites?[/QUOTE]
It's kind of funny. In the Fortaleza (and Natal) thread, during many years, you keep asking about all kinds of clubs (Mambo, Café del Mar, Armazem, Zippy) are still open, but you never give any reports back about your visits. The forum is about an exchange of information. How about sharing and not just taking? No wonder some members prefers to exchange information by PMs to avoid feeding the lurkers.

[QUOTE=Sperto;1922348]It's kind of funny. In the Fortaleza (and Natal) thread, during many years, you keep asking about all kinds of clubs (Mambo, Caf del Mar, Armazem, Zippy) are still open, but you never give any reports back about your visits. The forum is about an exchange of information. How about sharing and not just taking? No wonder some members prefers to exchange information by PMs to avoid feeding the lurkers.[/QUOTE]I haven't been to Brazil in 3 years so of course I can't tell people what's going on there now. Why else would I be asking about what's going on now? But I sent posts at that time and shared info about my Brazil travels in Fortaleza and Natal. I also visited Thailand last year and posted and shared info about Thailand. I also visited Mexico in 2014 and submitted posts and shared info about Mexico. As a matter of fact, I did some traveling with someone who posts regularly on the Mexico board, and we both sent posts about some bars in Mexico. So I have shared information about the last three countries I visited: Brazil, Mexico and Thailand. Kind of strange that you're spending time researching my posts. And ignoring when I shared info.

Yearly update, Canoa Quebrada. Canoa Quebrada is small village 3,5 hours busride south from Fortaleza.

General: Canoa Quebrada offers nice beaches, buggy-tours, cheap pousadas, relaxed atmosphere and excellent restaurants.

Nightlife: Concentraded to a 100 m strip on Broadway. Germanspeaking gringos tends to hang out at Canoa Central, the other gringos goes to Bar Caverna. Todo Mundo is unfortunately invaded by veados. Girls looking for gringos goes mainly to Canoa Central and Caverna.

Girls: You have pro's, piranhas and regular girls.
* The nicest girls are the local girls who doesn't hang out in the gringo bars. These local girls you find at the locals hangout, Meu Xodo etc. It takes some work to score those girls as they want to avoid a reputation as papa-gringos.
* There are a big gang of piranhas who just want to f*ck gringos without charging anything. Unfortunately all these piranhas have seen their better days 10-20 years ago.
* The pro's. There are some local pro's and weekend pro's from Fortaleza. They will come up to you offering their services. I never payed for sex in Canoa so I have no idea what they charge.

If you want to find a beautiful local girl you'll have to work for it. If you don't bother to f*ck a 30+ woman that is just decent looking you'll have lots of options for free. If you look for P4P you better do it in Fortaleza.

Note 1 (as mentioned before): Non-pro's: Canoa has been one of the easiest places in Brazil getting laid for free. There used be lots of girls coming from other cities and villages wanting to have sex with gringos for free. Also many girls from the neighbour city Aracati. Things have changed a lot. Canoa is no longer that popular. It's still easy to getting laid with a non-pro, but the hot ones are few.
Note 2: The gringos who still goes to Canoa are 90% from German-speaking countries. A sad bunch of older, big-bellied, bald drunk gringos. They shouldn't offer any competition.

Yearly update on the Fortaleza scene, January 2017.

GENERAL:
Even with the crisis there are at least as many brazilian tourists as last year. I´ve sen less gringos than one year ago. As usual most gringos are Italians and a few French, Dutch, Germans and Swiss.

TRASH-PUTEIROS:
* Rua Sena Madureira 961: 10 puteiros on the first floor. Price R$40-60/30 min. This year I found no girl that were doable.
* Rua 24 de Maio 876: The locals calls it "Corredor do Inferno" (Hells corridor). It's a corridor with lots of rooms. Each room has a girl offering her services. Prices start at R$20. No girl were doable, but not so bad as expected from the nick-name.
* Pousada Ideal: Rua Jaime Benévolo 154. Room 13 and 14, one girl in each room. R$50/30 min. Both girls looked really scary.
* Passeio Público: In the park and in the bar on the corner there are a bunch of streetwalkers. Uglier than those GPs are hard to find.
* Beira-Mar, close to McDonalds: Always a bunch of girls hanging around. A mixture of crackudos and Zipi-girls. Worth checking out, but be cautious what you bring back to your place.

PRIVÉES:
* Monsenhor Tabosa 111: Sala 44, 45, 46, 49, 51, 54 and 56. Just look for heartshaped doorcarpets. All of them charge R$100, up to 60 min. A bit overpriced considering it's in Fortaleza. Only CBJ, with some rare exceptions. This year the quality is better than last year. Many very doable girls. Yesterday I sessioned with Lorena, morena escura, 23 years, cute, a few extra kilos, horseass and huge lovely natural tits. Today I sessioned with her friend Bruna, morena clara, "blond", nice big ass and large firm natural tits.

IRACEMA CLUBS:
The options for mongering bars and clubs continues to be extremely limited.
* Wh*re-crossing: In the wh*re-crossing it's Forró Mambo and three smaller bars left. Quite dead.
* Armazem: Continues to have Wednesdays as wh*re-night.
* Zipi Bar: Zipi is the best bar for mongering. R$12 minimum consumption. As always a nice and relaxed atmosphere. You enjoy your drink, chat with the girls and negotiate. Many girls ask for R$200. When you start laughing as it was a good joke they quickly go down to R$150. Do some negotiation and you get down to R$100. It depends if it's a TLN or a 1-2 hour session. This year I found the quality better than last year. Some beautiful gems among all the average girls.

NON-PRO'S:
As said before and worth to remember. The best, most goodlooking girls, are the local girls and tourist girls. Fortaleza is excellent for non-pro's. Just avoid all the chubby fatties with squared heads planted directly on their shoulders. Girls with necks are a rarity in Fortaleza.

Just some extra notes on Fortaleza:
* The only really good option for nighttime mongering in Fortaleza is Zipi Bar. Forró & Mambo and the two bars next to F&M attracts very few GPs. The prefeitura really managed to kill the mongering scene. Café del Mar, Europa Bar, Bikini Bar, Africa etc are just history.
* Zipi Bar: Number of girls and quality changes a lot depending on the day of the week. Weekends have more girls but with really sh*tty quality. Many of the weekend-GPs really shocked me, women 50+ and some really heavy chubbies with big trembling bellies. An average night you'll find one or two 9's and 10's, about eight 7's and 8's and the rest will be 1's-6's. With few exceptions the girls are very sympathetic and not pushy. Prices van be negotiated as low as R$80 with many girls. There are many gringos at Zipi Bar, 90% are Italians. Short guys dressed in polo shirts (upturned collars) who doesn't interact very much with the girls. My guess is that maximum 10% of the girls get customers.
* The mongering left in Fortaleza is just Zipi Bar, privées on Monsenhor Tabosa and a few GPs on the beaches (Beira-Mar and Croco Beach in Praia do Futuro).
* The mongering is light years form what it used to be, but I do like Fortaleza a lot, a very pleasant city with nice beaches and lots of cheap restaurants and bars along the orla.
* The best part of Fortaleza continues to be the non-pro's. Stroll along the orla, chat up girls on the beach or in centro and it´s easy to score regular girls. Beautiful girls around 20 years who are happy to f*ck for free (It really helps a lot if you have blue eyes, as the local girls are crazy for blue eyes).

P.S If you want to see lots of superfit girls with hard bodies, go running Iracema to Beira-Mar at 5.30 in the morning. Running is extremely popular, I counted over 500 runners on my 10 km run. A surprisingly large part are girls, with very hot bodies.
P.P.S The coco-nut price is R$2,5 and a Brahma (600 ml) cost R$4 in the bars along the orla.

Why no interest in Bellissima Sperto? That was a pretty good spot when I visited last year.

Any updates on Armazine?

Is Armazine still the Hot Club on Wednesday nights for the non-pros and pros looking to score? I'm going to Fortaleza in March. Very disappointed about Mambos- I have pulled so many hotties out of that place- When they opened the downstairs area it was amazing!

[QUOTE=MikeysHouse;1986961]Any updates on Armazine?

Is Armazine still the Hot Club on Wednesday nights for the non-pros and pros looking to score? I'm going to Fortaleza in March. Very disappointed about Mambos- I have pulled so many hotties out of that place- When they opened the downstairs area it was amazing![/QUOTE]Armazem was still open last summer. It was a mix of pros and non-pros though so wasnt as straightforward to pick up girls as say Zipi imo.

[QUOTE=MikeysHouse;1986961]Any updates on Armazine?[/QUOTE]
As I wrote three posts below your post "Armazem: Continues to have Wednesdays as wh*re-night."

To MikeysH and any others, I will be in FOR the end of March. If you want to meet up, chase tail? PM me.

Mikey's House, I tried to PM you but to no avail?

Ciao,

Tryntry.

Hello,

I thought Fortaleza was a great city for us, but seems to be much less than before. I will visit on trip to continue to other cities on a Thursday. What can I do best? What Boate, or any place to find gorgeous GDP or somebody knows a super beautiful escort there? Thanks for helping out.

Thanks a lot for helping out.

Love this city, it feels disconnected from everything, warm ocean, and warm pussy, actually that's no exaggeration I commented to one girl how warm it was. Stayed at a hotel near Zippi for $130/ USD for the week. Yeah that's cheap, and it was actually really good, even the internet was high speed. Pretty much did the Zippi thing, the non-pros and even the pros seem to freak out from a younger tall foreigner, because guess what, there are none. And by freak out they are like deer in the headlights and it's hard to get them to do anything. Brazilian girls have incredibly small pussies and holy sh* Fortaleza was even more so, thought I got it in the wrong hole, but then after 3-4, realized the truth, which was awesome.

Low down on places:

* Zippi and the surrounding area is easy going with bars and chicks.

* Belíssimas is okay, I didn't do anything there, never enough girls.

* Other places in centro didn't try enough, seemed complicated and not enough girls.

Did 3 girls in one night, 1 girl from another night, then a 3 some.

Belo H. Next.

Well this sounds promising, I am looking for a new place to visit after falling in love with German FKKs. Now from the lack of reports on this thread I understand this is not a mongering heaven but for a blue eyed younger man I may have to take a trip here. Only problem is it takes a very long time to get to Fortazela from my area. Were you able to meet and succeed with any of the local girls? If so how would you rate the looks of them?

[QUOTE=JakePeacock;2053185]Love this city, it feels disconnected from everything, warm ocean, and warm pussy, actually that's no exaggeration I commented to one girl how warm it was. Stayed at a hotel near Zippi for $130/ USD for the week. Yeah that's cheap, and it was actually really good, even the internet was high speed. Pretty much did the Zippi thing, the non-pros and even the pros seem to freak out from a younger tall foreigner, because guess what, there are none. And by freak out they are like deer in the headlights and it's hard to get them to do anything. Brazilian girls have incredibly small pussies and holy sh* Fortaleza was even more so, thought I got it in the wrong hole, but then after 3-4, realized the truth, which was awesome.

Low down on places:

* Zippi and the surrounding area is easy going with bars and chicks.

* Belssimas is okay, I didn't do anything there, never enough girls.

* Other places in centro didn't try enough, seemed complicated and not enough girls.

Did 3 girls in one night, 1 girl from another night, then a 3 some.

Belo H. Next.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JakePeacock;2053185]Love this city, it feels disconnected from everything, warm ocean, and warm pussy, actually that's no exaggeration I commented to one girl how warm it was. Stayed at a hotel near Zippi for $130/ USD for the week. Yeah that's cheap, and it was actually really good, even the internet was high speed. Pretty much did the Zippi thing, the non-pros and even the pros seem to freak out from a younger tall foreigner, because guess what, there are none. And by freak out they are like deer in the headlights and it's hard to get them to do anything. Brazilian girls have incredibly small pussies and holy sh* Fortaleza was even more so, thought I got it in the wrong hole, but then after 3-4, realized the truth, which was awesome.

Low down on places:

* Zippi and the surrounding area is easy going with bars and chicks.

.[/QUOTE]What is the name of the hotel you stayed at?

I'm in Fortaleza now.

Staying at the Ibis Iracema. Strongly recommended. It may be GF friendly, not sure. Staff are relaxed.

Visited Zipi Bar on a Thursday night. Mostly fatties. Only two chicks who would be worth the 150 asking price.

The personally didn't like the vibe of Zipi and surrounds. Lots of Italian blokes, high as kites and zero manners.

I've found the best options here to be online. Photoacompanhantes. Many chicks have their own place to visit.

I don't speak much portuguese but use Google translate to set up times via whatsapp and Uber to their spot.

So far it has been safe and the results outstanding!

Aside from online, there are several great malls and good nightlife options meet local girls.

If anyone is in town, private message me.

Cheers.

Yearly update, Canoa Quebrada. As there are many gringos going to Canoa I guess some might find a Canoa update useful.

General: Canoa Quebrada is small ex-fishing village 3,5 hours busride south from Fortaleza. Canoa Quebrada offers nice beaches, buggy-tours, cheap pousadas and excellent restaurants. The era when Canoa was popular among partiers and a paradise for free pussy and had lots of hot girls going there, that time is long gone.

Nightlife: Impossible to miss as all nightlife happens on a 100 m strip on "Broadway". Caverna, Todo Mundo and Canoa Central are among the most popular bars.

Girls: You have pro's, piranhas, thief-girls, regular local girls and regular tourist girls.
* The best looking local girls avoid the bars where the gringos go as they want to avoid a bad reputation. They go where the locals go, like Meu Xodo.
* There are lots of piranhas who f*cks gringos for free. Some of these women have been around the last 20 years. The large majority of these piranhas are not attractive at all. Still they get laid when the gringos gets drunk. However there are a few piranhas that are not that bad.
* The pro's. There are some local pro's and weekend pro's from Fortaleza. You might have problem knowing which girls that will charge for sex. If in doubt, just ask them. I don't know what they charge. The Canoa pro's avoid me as they know that I don't pay for sex in Canoa.
* Thief-girls. They have become more common in Canoa the last years. Usually they come from Aracati or some other nearby cities. Several of them looks really good. Beware that these girls works together with guys. The girls will steal from you back in your room, use Boa-Noite-Cinderella or simply letting the guys rob you on the way to your pousada.

Go to Canoa if you want to relax a couple of days, but don't go there for P4P. If you want to f*ck 30+ women that is hardly doable you'll have many options.

I am headed to Fortaleza soon, and have been lurking in the forum for the latest. Is there any new wisdom that can be shared? It looks like most of the comprehensive data is somewhat old. Anyone else going to be in town in February? PM me!

Yearly update on the Fortaleza scene, January 2018.

GENERAL:
As always many brazilian tourists in Fortaleza. Much less gringos than earlier years.

TRASH-PUTEIROS:
The trash-puteiros are the same as last year. Prices from R$30. Very low quality. I only saw 2 doable GPs in the trash-puteiros.
* Rua Sena Madureira 961.
* Rua Sena Madureira 916.
* Rua 24 de Maio 876, "Corredor do Inferno" (Hells corridor).
* Pousada Ideal: Rua Jaime Benévolo 154. Room 13 and 14.
* Beira-Mar, close to McDonalds: Always a bunch of putas looking for customers.

PRIVÉES:
* Monsenhor Tabosa 111: Two floors up, the corridor on the left side. Sala 44-56. Knock on the doors with door-carpets on the outside. At least 7 puteiros in that corridor.
All charge the same price: R$100/60 min for sex, R$120 if you want massage as well, R$150 for a dupla. Clean rooms/cabins and shower before and after. The quality of the girls are good.
This week I had 3 girls that I can recommend:
1. Priscilla: 20 years, morena clara, blond, good recommendations on Gpguia, beautiful face, petite, slim, small round hard bubblebutt and large silicontits. Great performance.
2. Vivian: 21 years, morena escura, cute and innocent face, large natural tits (soft tits) and quite a large butt considering her being quite short. Two kids and wrinkle-belly. Performed OK.
3. Victoria: 21 years, morena escura, wonderful face, a girl to fall in love with, normalsized tits (a bit soft) and a perfect small rockhard bubblebutt. Performed excellent.

The houserules says only BJ with condom, but all the girls I had performed BBBJ after an inspection and a sniff-test. All of them allowed photos.

IRACEMA CLUBS:
The options for mongering bars and clubs are now even more limited than before.
* Wh*re-crossing: In the wh*re-crossing it's only Forró Mambo and one small bar left. Almost nobody goes to Forró Mambo.
The reggaebar is closed. The owner was against drugs and drugdealers killed him. RIP.
* Armazem: Wednesdays are wh*re-night.
* Zipi Bar: Zipi is the almost the only bar left for mongering. R$10 minimum consumption. A nice and relaxed atmosphere. Less people than earlier years. Very mixed quality of the girls, in general not impressive. Some drugusers, fatties, old women 50+, lots of just about doable girls and a handful very hot girls. Girls ask for R$150-200. Negotiate and don't pay more than R$100, you're in Fortaleza and not Rio. Some girls accepts R$80.

BEACH ACTION:
* No more GPs hanging out at Croco Beach. In some of the beach barracas in Beira Mar GPs show up after noon. Great as you can really see how their bodies looks like when they wear bikini.

NON-PRO'S:
I said it before and I repeat it: The best, most goodlooking girls, are the local girls and tourist girls. Fortaleza is excellent for non-pro's.
Be aware that Fortaleza has many chubby fatties with giant squared heds and without necks.

SUMMARY:
* Fortaleza is far from what it has been. It's a pleasant city with nice non-pro's but with a bit weak mongering scene.

P.S The coco-nut price is R$2-2,5 and a Brahma (600 ml) cost R$5 in the bars along the orla.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2128184]Yearly update on the Fortaleza scene, January 2018.

GENERAL:
As always many brazilian tourists in Fortaleza. Much less gringos than earlier years.

TRASH-PUTEIROS:
The trash-puteiros are the same as last year. Prices from R$30. Very low quality. I only saw 2 doable GPs in the trash-puteiros.
* Rua Sena Madureira 961.
* Rua Sena Madureira 916.
* Rua 24 de Maio 876, "Corredor do Inferno" (Hells corridor).
* Pousada Ideal: Rua Jaime Benvolo 154. Room 13 and 14.
* Beira-Mar, close to McDonalds: Always a bunch of putas looking for customers.

PRIVES:
* Monsenhor Tabosa 111: Two floors up, the corridor on the left side. Sala 44-56. Knock on the doors with door-carpets on the outside. At least 7 puteiros in that corridor.
All charge the same price: R$100/60 min for sex, R$120 if you want massage as well, R$150 for a dupla. Clean rooms/cabins and shower before and after. The quality of the girls are good.
This week I had 3 girls that I can recommend:
1. Priscilla: 20 years, morena clara, blond, good recommendations on Gpguia, beautiful face, petite, slim, small round hard bubblebutt and large silicontits. Great performance.
2. Vivian: 21 years, morena escura, cute and innocent face, large natural tits (soft tits) and quite a large butt considering her being quite short. Two kids and wrinkle-belly. Performed OK.
3. Victoria: 21 years, morena escura, wonderful face, a girl to fall in love with, normalsized tits (a bit soft) and a perfect small rockhard bubblebutt. Performed excellent.

The houserules says only BJ with condom, but all the girls I had performed BBBJ after an inspection and a sniff-test. All of them allowed photos.

IRACEMA CLUBS:
The options for mongering bars and clubs are now even more limited than before.
* Wh*re-crossing: In the wh*re-crossing it's only Forr Mambo and one small bar left. Almost nobody goes to Forr Mambo.
The reggaebar is closed. The owner was against drugs and drugdealers killed him. RIP.
* Armazem: Wednesdays are wh*re-night.
* Zipi Bar: Zipi is the almost the only bar left for mongering. R$10 minimum consumption. A nice and relaxed atmosphere. Less people than earlier years. Very mixed quality of the girls, in general not impressive. Some drugusers, fatties, old women 50+, lots of just about doable girls and a handful very hot girls. Girls ask for R$150-200. Negotiate and don't pay more than R$100, you're in Fortaleza and not Rio. Some girls accepts R$80.

BEACH ACTION:
* No more GPs hanging out at Croco Beach. In some of the beach barracas in Beira Mar GPs show up after noon. Great as you can really see how their bodies looks like when they wear bikini.

NON-PRO'S:
I said it before and I repeat it: The best, most goodlooking girls, are the local girls and tourist girls. Fortaleza is excellent for non-pro's.
Be aware that Fortaleza has many chubby fatties with giant squared heds and without necks.

SUMMARY:
* Fortaleza is far from what it has been. It's a pleasant city with nice non-pro's but with a bit weak mongering scene.

P.S The coco-nut price is R$2-2,5 and a Brahma (600 ml) cost R$5 in the bars along the orla.[/QUOTE]Great reports Sperto! In your opinion what are the best mongering cities in Brazil? Except for Rio and SP, of course. Belém? Manaus? Porto Alegre?

[QUOTE=Tavares;2128198]Great reports Sperto! In your opinion what are the best mongering cities in Brazil? Except for Rio and SP, of course. Belm? Manaus? Porto Alegre?[/QUOTE]I made a ranking of the capitals. It's outdated, but it gives a fairly good idea of my opinion of the capitals.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?573-Other-Areas&p=532479&viewfull=1#post532479[/URL]

Zipi bar is definitely the nerve center for paid sex here. It is a mixed bag indeed, but I've managed to get an enjoyable girl or two every day of the week except Wednesday. I typically ignore those who are there every single day and watch for part-timers, who show up once a week at most. Typically they are looking for a new regular client they can serve for a few weeks. So it is wise to take their whatsapp numbers.

Price I've paid was typically are $ 200. Some girls ask just that, some start from 300, but agree for 200 easily. Once paid are $ 150 and got the best blowjob so far.

What I like about Zip is that you can chat with a candidate, and this small talk is in fact a good indicator of what the performance would look like. Entry fee is are $10, but if you don't buy anything and leave soon, they don't charge even that.

Wednesday is a bad day, since there's so-called where's day at Armazem, which just splits the same girls between two places. Since it also splits the clientele, the smarter girls seem to ignore Wednesday altogether.

Other options look far less attractive.

Tinder, Badoo, etc. Were mostly waste of time. Two unimpressive dates, a couple of working girls who tried to charge are $ 400 or more, and a bunch of transvestites. I never bothered to use any paid web services, may be it makes some difference.

Photoacompanhates and the like didn't prove to be efficient either, since it is a nightmare to make any appointment in this country. The other thing is that the listing price is a fake, they try to get 400 for a full job, once you contact them. I gave up trying, since Zip catered for my needs quite well.

The place at Monsenhor Tobosa 111 is trash IMO. Deliberately rude service once they get that little money the have asked. By contrast, girls at Zip are always paid after the service, not before.

[QUOTE=EuroGringo;2157934]The place at Monsenhor Tobosa 111 is trash IMO. Deliberately rude service once they get that little money the have asked.[/QUOTE]Monsenhor Tabosa, trash? Visit Rua Sena Madureira 916 and 961 or Rua 24 de Maio 876 ("Corredor do Inferno") and you'll see how trash looks like.
I'm sorry to hear that you had bad experience at Monsenhor Tabosa 111. I can't recall I ever had rude service there. On the contrary. Anyway, stick to Zipi if that suits you better.

Btw, Zipi has no entry fee. It's a R$10 minimum consumption.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2128219]I made a ranking of the capitals. It's outdated, but it gives a fairly good idea of my opinion of the capitals.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?573-Other-Areas&p=532479&viewfull=1#post532479[/URL][/QUOTE]Excellent breakdown, my friend. I am impressed how you employed multiple factors outside of mongering to come to the rating. For me a mongering trip is also about seeing new things, eating and drinking well and enjoying some recreational activities.

I'd like to see a group of well traveled mongers complete a poll of the better mongering countries by using a matrix of some of the same factors. But, when I pitched that idea on another forum a while back, I couldn't seem to get any interest. Someday maybe.

Now could you humor us a bit and maybe give your opinion on where the best looking WGs (on average) are to be found (regardless of the MO)? And what cities do you feel offer the best value in mongering, as far as short-time pricing? I've just now started to look at Brazil and I've noticed there is the typical premium to be paid when you are in a major city (just like anything else).

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2187290]Now could you humor us a bit and maybe give your opinion on where the best looking WGs (on average) are to be found (regardless of the MO)? And what cities do you feel offer the best value in mongering, as far as short-time pricing?[/QUOTE]
A bit complicated to answer. Rio and São Paulo has most to offer when it comes to quantity. Some other capitals in Brazil have much less monger options but a better gem-percentage even though it takes harder work and more experience to find them.

Short-time pricing. Many capitals have trash spots where you can get laid for R$20. Best value of these short-time trash places? It depends of luck, I guess.

Not to forget, things change quickly in Brazil. The big brazilian broom is constantly doing a big clean-up everywhere to get rid of sex tourism.

I have mongered in many countries (Cambodia, Thailand, Cuba, Ethiopia, Dom Rep, Philippines, India, China, Burma, Madagascar, etc) Now I want to try Brazil, so I thought Fortaleza would be a good place to start.

My tastes are simple: small, lightweight, cute, bald and professional. I don't look for the GF experience, I want hard sex with frequently changing partners. I was spoiled by 1989 - 2001 in mainland SEA. Not keen on dumpy Flips or long hipped Chinese, or frankly even alcohol and music. I like to immediately 'get down to business'. Thai and Khmer women to me have perfect bodies and the size + shape (not even the movement) is all I care about. I am not going dancing or dating. In fact, I prefer brothels and street walkers. I don't hang out, drink, play darts, connect four or whatever the heck people do in entertainment establishments. Some of my best times have been with fresh, young (AOC+) women just in from the countryside looking to make some money. I am polite, in good humour, clean and respectful but now an old man (also ugly and poorer than before) so I expect I won't be charming the pants off anyone. I don't like to waste time. I also don't deceive anyone that I am trying to be their patron, BF or will be sending money. I am strictly cash sale as I go. Go-gos are good for WYSIWYG but I am not there for a strip show.

Where to go for down and dirty action with no pretense or games? Is Fortaleza even the best bet? I don't even have to come to Brazil, I could just as easily go to Puerto Rico, Colombia or Peru. I will go wherever is best for my needs. Very few groups of Korean tourists hogging all the girls for hours, showing off, throwing money around and at the end of the night not even taking anyone home- would be a plus. The only things I truly have zero tolerance for though are condoms and fat asses. This is one thing that has kept me away from Latin America. Time to see if there are some spinners like in Vietnam.

Oh, and I don't speak any Portuguese or Spanish. I managed all right with mama-sans in Yangon clubs and Chiang Rai lady homes (take out brothels) regardless.

I'll be curious to see if I can make the adjustment to whatever the system is in Latin countries. The major disappointments of Havana and TNR were that the coffee-in-the-creme Cubanas and the Arabic-Indonesian looking Malagasy beauties just aren't so much in the trade. They are usually African-featured coastal girls rather than mountain white girls.

Earlier this month I went to Fortaleza for a few days. I got very lucky at Monsenhor Tabosa 111. Met a 21 year old stunner from some small town in Ceará. Tall, skinny and with nice ass. Paid 100 k for an hour. A gem for sure. There were about 8 other girls on the floor. Decent options for sure.

Rua Sena Madureira 961.

This place look like a jail cell. The building looked like it was about to fall apart. Ladies had their cages open so you could see them and their entire family. I quickly left LOL.

* Rua 24 de Maio 876, "Corredor do Inferno" (Hells corridor).

This place was better than the other place but not by much LOL. You walk up steps through a yellow hallway with a the rooms on the left. There were about 6 girls there two blancos and 4 Indios. Looked late 20's at best or up in 30's for sure. No added to speak of so I left.

Once I left I walked sound the shopping areas near by an saw so much hotness. If I had more time, I would definitely explore the non profit options.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2128184]Yearly update on the Fortaleza scene, January 2018.

GENERAL:
As always many brazilian tourists in Fortaleza. Much less gringos than earlier years.

TRASH-PUTEIROS:
The trash-puteiros are the same as last year. Prices from R$30. Very low quality. I only saw 2 doable GPs in the trash-puteiros.
* Rua Sena Madureira 961.
* Rua Sena Madureira 916.
* Rua 24 de Maio 876, "Corredor do Inferno" (Hells corridor).
* Pousada Ideal: Rua Jaime Benvolo 154. Room 13 and 14.
* Beira-Mar, close to McDonalds: Always a bunch of putas looking for customers.

PRIVES:
* Monsenhor Tabosa 111: Two floors up, the corridor on the left side. Sala 44-56. Knock on the doors with door-carpets on the outside. At least 7 puteiros in that corridor.
All charge the same price: R$100/60 min for sex, R$120 if you want massage as well, R$150 for a dupla. Clean rooms/cabins and shower before and after. The quality of the girls are good.
This week I had 3 girls that I can recommend:
1. Priscilla: 20 years, morena clara, blond, good recommendations on Gpguia, beautiful face, petite, slim, small round hard bubblebutt and large silicontits. Great performance.
2. Vivian: 21 years, morena escura, cute and innocent face, large natural tits (soft tits) and quite a large butt considering her being quite short. Two kids and wrinkle-belly. Performed OK.
3. Victoria: 21 years, morena escura, wonderful face, a girl to fall in love with, normalsized tits (a bit soft) and a perfect small rockhard bubblebutt. Performed excellent.

The houserules says only BJ with condom, but all the girls I had performed BBBJ after an inspection and a sniff-test. All of them allowed photos.

IRACEMA CLUBS:
The options for mongering bars and clubs are now even more limited than before.
* Wh*re-crossing: In the wh*re-crossing it's only Forr Mambo and one small bar left. Almost nobody goes to Forr Mambo.
The reggaebar is closed. The owner was against drugs and drugdealers killed him. RIP.
* Armazem: Wednesdays are wh*re-night.
* Zipi Bar: Zipi is the almost the only bar left for mongering. R$10 minimum consumption. A nice and relaxed atmosphere. Less people than earlier years. Very mixed quality of the girls, in general not impressive. Some drugusers, fatties, old women 50+, lots of just about doable girls and a handful very hot girls. Girls ask for R$150-200. Negotiate and don't pay more than R$100, you're in Fortaleza and not Rio. Some girls accepts R$80.

BEACH ACTION:
* No more GPs hanging out at Croco Beach. In some of the beach barracas in Beira Mar GPs show up after noon. Great as you can really see how their bodies looks like when they wear bikini.

NON-PRO'S:
I said it before and I repeat it: The best, most goodlooking girls, are the local girls and tourist girls. Fortaleza is excellent for non-pro's.
Be aware that Fortaleza has many chubby fatties with giant squared heds and without necks.

SUMMARY:
* Fortaleza is far from what it has been. It's a pleasant city with nice non-pro's but with a bit weak mongering scene.

P.S The coco-nut price is R$2-2,5 and a Brahma (600 ml) cost R$5 in the bars along the orla.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Global00;2253271]Earlier this month I went to Fortaleza for a few days. [/QUOTE]
Thanks for your update, Global.
Monsenhor Tabosa 111 is a good option for daytime mongering in Fortaleza. There are several trash options, fun to visit but not really worth the efford.
Regarding the jail cells, not really that bad, the bars are there to protect the girls on the inside. There is a puteiro in Praia do Futuro where the girls are locked into jail cells (very sick).

The best part in Fortaleza are the regular girls, locals and tourist girls. Centro, the beaches and wherever you see cuties.
Have fun!

[QUOTE=Global00;2253271]Ladies had their cages open so you could see them and their entire family.[/QUOTE]
Just to clarify, regarding the "jail cells" with their families. This building has many apartments with regular people, with families. Those often have caged doors. They leave the doors open because of the heat and the bars locked from the inside. The families are not GPs with families, just regular families. The salas with GPs have the doors opened and the GPs sitting in sofas wearing lingerie or standing outside the apartments.

[QUOTE=Global00;2253271]Earlier this month I went to Fortaleza for a few days. I got very lucky at Monsenhor Tabosa 111. Met a 21 year old stunner from some small town in Cear. Tall, skinny and with nice ass. Paid 100 k for an hour. A gem for sure. There were about 8 other girls on the floor. Decent options for sure.[/QUOTE]Hey Global00, I'm not being critical. Just trying to educate myself. Was it possible that the girl in your photos had a butt enhancement? Even for a Brazilian girl, her bunda seems to be protruding quite extensively.

Dealing with Colombian women, I have become an expert on enhances butts. I can assure that her butt was all natural LOL. If it wasnt natural than her surgent is the best in the world LOL.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2254074]Hey Global00, I'm not being critical. Just trying to educate myself. Was it possible that the girl in your photos had a butt enhancement? Even for a Brazilian girl, her bunda seems to be protruding quite extensively.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the clarification. You are right. I really didn't stay long and only reported on what I saw.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2253324]Just to clarify, regarding the "jail cells" with their families. This building has many apartments with regular people, with families. Those often have caged doors. They leave the doors open because of the heat and the bars locked from the inside. The families are not GPs with families, just regular families. The salas with GPs have the doors opened and the GPs sitting in sofas wearing lingerie or standing outside the apartments.[/QUOTE]

Well, I have a short report. Been yesterday around 7-8 pm to boteco praia, heard you can score some non pros overthere. I was unlucky so at 9 pm I went to Zipi bar, I was the only one there, me and the staff, stayed there for an hour, still empty so I left, I was told girls coming later,11-12 pm, I had no idea.

I read below that for daytime I should be going to Monsenhor Tabosa 111. I arrived there at around 5 pm, and surprise Again, had no idea they close shop at 5 pm.

Took a taxi and just asked him for guidance and he drove me to belisima. What can I say is that quality of girls was decent, had a few options to choose and not much customers. You can even pay by card, 192 real.

Any other options for mongering between 5 pm and 11 pm?

I always do a yearly update on the Fortaleza scene. It's almost useless as just about nothing has changed the last year. I make the update short.
For details see post 1475.

Trash-scene:
Same same, no changes.

Privées:
Monsenhor Tabosa 111: Two floors up, the corridor on the left side. Sala 44-56. Knock on doors with carpets on the outside. Standard price is R$100/60 for a session. Extra if you want anal. Dupla cost R$150. Shower before and after, clean rooms. Good quality on most girls, but just a few stunners.
My best recommendation is Gabriella in sala 56. A gorgeous dark morena with strong academia legs and a perfect bubblebutt. A minus because she had silicon tits. Great performance and does wonderful BBBJCIM.

Iracema clubs:
The options for mongering bars and clubs are now even more limited than before.
* Wh*re-crossing: Like last year, only Forró Mambo and one small bar left. A wasteof time going there.
* Armazem: Also same same, Wednesdays are wh*re-night.
* Zipi Bar: Zipi is the only decent monger bar left. Mixed quality on the girls, very few stunners.

Beach GPs:
You'll find several GPs in the beach barracas on Beira-Mar.

Non-pro's:
The best option for meeting beautiful girls are the regular girls, tourist and local girls. Note: many of the local girls are short, very fat, have no necks and have huge squared heads.

General:
Lots of brazilian tourists in Fortaleza. Less gringos than before.
Right now there is a lot of violence in Fortaleza. Bandits are protesting against new prison rules and are doing a lot of attacks and burning buses etc. This means less people in the streets.

P.S The coco-nut price is R$2.

CANOA QUEBRADA:
No separate update. Also the same as last year, see post 1473. Some bars have changed names, otherwise it's exactly the same.

JERICOACOARA:
Don't go there for P4P, event though I noticed a few GPs. Go to Jeri for regular girls. I hardly seen so many extremely beautiful girls as I saw in Jeri, most brazilian tourist girls. The majority upperclass girls. The amount of stunners could have been because of the New Year which atracted a lot of tourists.

I arrived yesterday with condor air from Frankfurt and decide to upgrade to premium economy for 99 euro. Smart move.

Fortaleza visa for instant I mean I don't need visa only stamp for 3 month. Changing money was very bad rate to I used the ATM which charge me a redraw fee.

Since the airport has WiFi I use Uber for 24 rs to my hotel. Pop up text told me to wait at gate 6 to the uber car. Easy. I didn't pay to uber in cash but auto eith visa.

Arrived to pousasa andrade and negoshiate a room for 70 rs. Very good location A/C frig and TV. Its girl friendly since you have the key to main gate no security or receptionist et evening and night time. Breakfast included. No pre booking just used google map to find it.

Short walk to the malicon, beach road as thousnet of people party there and many clubs many hot girls half naked dancing etc.

I went back to sleep long flight. To be continue.

In my second day I had to do some logistics such as moving to apartment on the 20th floor for about 30 USD per night via [URL]booking.com[/URL]. "Flat studio Iracema" weird place located one block from "Tabosa 111" . I went to this Tabosa building at 3 PM and only 3 rooms were active with girls. One looks like sex porn so I took many selfies with her and took her to room but the there only two room in each micro-Apartment and they was occupied. So I wanted to go but the girl insist that I will delete the photos since I didn't want to wait one hour for the room to be available. She was a serious white sex bomb price was 100 RS.

Came back at 7 PM and the place was close. Every door in the building.

My Luck? No luck went to Claro shop to get a SIM card but they refuse to accept my passport as a valid ID. So I went to eat in Centro in a place called Primus with you take what you want and they weight it. So I took nearly one KG of food for 18 RS. Went to buy water at supermarket "Super Lagoa Centro" which was next to the restaurant. 2 L water cost 2 RS.

Now what? Well, swap left swap right and get your girl in Tinder. Sure in paper it should work and I did chat all day but why no result in the end of the day? Patience.

Fortaleza look very dangerous place Police Militar, Intervention unit, Tactical units and snipers on buildings. Wait I saw some super Model police lady with a shot gun and another police guy arresting two young guys half naked. Maybe they look for drugs.

Went back to the beach road at 5 pm and the mini carnival of yesterday was over I think it was some holiday.

Now what? Planning to go to two big malls Iguatemi and and RioMar. Maybee I find some girls there. Last thing I came with one way ticket and a fake return ticket but the immigration or the airline didn't ask it. So maybe I can travel to Natal and Recife.

Also read some arguments about white Brazilian mainly in the south. This is bulshit 99% of the population here are white and I mean many really white like northern Europe. Nealy zero black or mulata. And I walk all day in the streets.

Lastly again any idea about the SIM card will be appreciated. Oh tomorrow I am going to fuck the blonde on Tabosa 111.

[QUOTE=NmExpert;2339271]Arrived to pousasa andrade and negoshiate a room for 70 rs. Very good location A/C frig and TV. Its girl friendly since you have the key to main gate no security or receptionist et evening and night time. Breakfast included. No pre booking just used google map to find it.

Short walk to the malicon, beach road as thousnet of people party there and many clubs many hot girls half naked dancing etc.[/QUOTE]
Do you mind sharing which clubs that have half naked hot girls dancing?

I've passed by Pousada Andrade, on Rua Senador Almino 8. I took a quick look before I left, I remember I thought the rooms were stuffy, humid and smelly, but it's cheap. If your budget allows there are many much better options in Iracema.

Be careful at night-time when returning home. Your pousada is located on a side-street which is like a blind alley. There are always weirdos and vagabundos hanging around close to the Dragão do Mar-area. Even more caution needed as your pousada have no security at night-time.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2339660] but it's cheap. If your budget allows there are many much better options in Iracema..[/QUOTE]Thousands of accommodation each has its cons and pros, I didn't like the 20's floor which has security protocols similar to US embassy in Iraq so I left and looking for alternatives. Any idea? Money is not an issue.

Regarding clubs I am soon will cover the nightlife and private apartments for sex.

[QUOTE=NmExpert;2339826]Thousands of accommodation each has its cons and pros, I didn't like the 20's floor which has security protocols similar to US embassy in Iraq so I left and looking for alternatives. Any idea? Money is not an issue.

Regarding clubs I am soon will cover the nightlife and private apartments for sex.[/QUOTE]
Between the Forró Mambo ho-crossing and Zipi Bar you have lots of pousadas. Several with very good standard and good prices. No problems having girls visiting you, if they charge a extra fee depends on your charm and language skills.

I'm curios about the clubs you mentioned with half-naked girls dancing. I havn't seen that in Iracema since Africa closed in the nineties.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2340011]I'm curios about the clubs you mentioned with half-naked girls dancing. I havn't seen that in Iracema since Africa closed in the nineties.[/QUOTE]I came a few days ago during some holiday as the entire beach area was flooded with girls like a Carnival, girls kissing and dancing some playing like they fucking each other I took a few photos of half naked girls with my phone. Day latter the party was over google Brazil holiday or so. My exact route was from Pousada Andrade Models to a cluster of bars here [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/VnaR6oCF7XMaxNWX6[/URL] next to my hotel then all the way in the promenade. So I saw two bars cluster one as I mention in my link and other here [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/KDaANKdeueYdrSeT6[/URL].

Weekend is coming I will go have in depth look. I also chat with girls from [URL]www.vivalocal.com[/URL] and they work in Prives sex apartments one of them invite me to her place here.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/DQbPeBV1CLf5jEd1A[/URL] I will report soon.

[QUOTE=NmExpert;2340031]I came a few days ago during some holiday as the entire beach area was flooded with girls like a Carnival, girls kissing and dancing some playing like they fucking each other I took a few photos of half naked girls with my phone. Day latter the party was over google Brazil holiday or so. My exact route was from Pousada Andrade Models to a cluster of bars here [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/VnaR6oCF7XMaxNWX6[/URL] next to my hotel then all the way in the promenade. So I saw two bars cluster one as I mention in my link and other here [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/KDaANKdeueYdrSeT6[/URL].

Weekend is coming I will go have in depth look. I also chat with girls from [URL]www.vivalocal.com[/URL] and they work in Prives sex apartments one of them invite me to her place here.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/DQbPeBV1CLf5jEd1A[/URL] I will report soon.[/QUOTE]
Sounds fun, but propably just ordinary brazilian atmosphere.
Bars with half-naked girls was propably a false alert. It would be fun with some photos.
Cheers.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2271878]Monsenhor Tabosa 111: Two floors up, the corridor on the left side. Sala 44-56. Knock on doors with carpets on the outside. Standard price is R$100/60 for a session. Extra if you want anal. Dupla cost R$150. Shower before and after, clean rooms. Good quality on most girls.[/QUOTE]Took a little blonde today.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2271878]Prives:
Monsenhor Tabosa 111: Two floors up, the corridor on the left side. Sala 44-56. Knock on doors with carpets on the outside. Standard price is R$100/60 for a session. Extra if you want anal. Dupla cost R$150. Shower before and after, clean rooms. Good quality on most girls.[/QUOTE]Visit today only 5 apartments available with 3 or 4 girls inside, took a blonde white girl to micro cell tiny room, no real bed just a single bed designed for static massage. Its impossible to have sex on that bed. The girl took the thin Mattress and put it on the floor. On the positive side the girls has nice attitude and fun and some good lookers.

Tinder: I have zero success. The entire city seems to be on Tinder. I am booking GOL flight to Natal in the next few days.

'Yearly update, Canoa Quebrada. A small village 3,5 hours busdrive south from Fortaleza. It used to be the FuckForFree-capital in Brazil with girls coming from all the nearby cities to get laid with gringos. That was some 28 years ago. Now it's going downhill.

The village and the beaches are beautiful. The nightlife is very fun, a bunch of bars concentrated on a short strip of 100 meters on the main street, Broadway.

Canoa is losing a lot in popularity to places like Jericoacoara and Praia the Pipa. Much less tourism than last year.

At night there are lots of people partying. The local girls can be pretty until they are about 20 years, then they turn into fat chubbies. It's still easy to get laid for free in Canoa Quebrada. You have the local girls, tourist girls, piranhas and a few working girls. The piranhas will f*ck gringos for free, the problem is that most of them are quite ugly and often close to 40 years. The working girls are not attractive, however there are a few exceptions. Be careful, there are some thief-girls coming to Canoa. They work together with guys who will rob you. A gringo died some years ago from Boa Noite Cinderella given by thief girls.

IMO you should go to Canoa for partying, relaxing, beaches, meeting regular girls but not for P4 P.

Jericoacoara, a very beautiful small village located in the sand dunes. About a 6 hour busride north of Fortaleza. Pleasant village, nice beaches and nature. The last 30 years Jeri have changed a lot. Now it's a destination for the rich as well as for the middleclass.

As always there is a chance to score with regular girls, tourist and local girls. However don't go there for P4 P. There are a few GPS but to me it seemed like there were guys who brought them as company. I noticed what seemed to be a few very upscale escort girls. They were together with brazilian guys who could pay a are $2000 entrance fee to the John & John new year party.

Not much to write in my yearly update on the Fortaleza scene.

Privées:
Monsenhor Tabosa 111: Two floors up, the corridor on the left side. Sala 44-56. Knock on doors with carpets on the outside. Standard price is R$100/60 for a session. Extra if you want anal. Shower before and after, clean rooms. OK quality on most girls, but just a few stunners. This year my best recommendation goes again to Gabriella in sala 56. A beautiful dark morena with strong academia legs and a lovely bubblebutt. Unfortunately she has silicon tits. Excellent performance and does perfect BBBJCIM.

Iracema clubs:
* Wh*re-crossing: Like last year, Forró Mambo. A waste of time going there.
* Zipi Bar: Zipi is the only monger bar left. Unfortunately the quality on the Zipi girls have gone down a lot. Lots of chubbies, fatties, flat asses and fuglies. I'm being kind if I say 10% are f*ckable. F*ck and pay for, even less.

P.S The coco-nut price is still R$2.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2412421]This year my best recommendation goes again to Gabriella in sala 56.[/QUOTE]
Correction, my best recommendation this year doesn't go to Gabriella, it goes to Jessica. Jessica started 2 weeks ago. A very beautiful 19 year old morena clara, slim, fit, petit, smallsized bubblebutt and fantastic tits. Her tits are not large but perfectly shaped and very firm. She performed excellently, very GFE, tight p*ssy and first class BBBJ. R$100/1 hour. I was offered a threesome with another 19 year old at a cost of R$130, but I declined as the beds were quite small.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2412421]Not much to write in my yearly update on the Fortaleza scene. [/QUOTE]I'd heard elsewhere that all the girls are online now advertising on [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/[/URL] and maybe others. Their prices are great R$100 and up.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2412814]... prices are great are $100 and up.[/QUOTE]To be clear, that is R$100, which is about US$25.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2412825]To be clear, that is R$100, which is about US$25.[/QUOTE]LOL. I'll have to use BRL as for some reason using the letter got changed to 'are'. It's when making a new post as editing an existing post can fix it.

But what did happen to Cafe del Mar at Praia Iracemea?

Where is the best place to have a room, close to the action?

[QUOTE=Sperto;2412421]Not much to write in my yearly update on the Fortaleza scene.

Prives:
Monsenhor Tabosa 111: Two floors up, the corridor on the left side. Sala 44-56. Knock on doors with carpets on the outside. Standard price is R$100/60 for a session. Extra if you want anal. Shower before and after, clean rooms. OK quality on most girls, but just a few stunners. This year my best recommendation goes again to Gabriella in sala 56. A beautiful dark morena with strong academia legs and a lovely bubblebutt. Unfortunately she has silicon tits. Excellent performance and does perfect BBBJCIM.

Iracema clubs:
* Wh*re-crossing: Like last year, Forr Mambo. A waste of time going there.
* Zipi Bar: Zipi is the only monger bar left. Unfortunately the quality on the Zipi girls have gone down a lot. Lots of chubbies, fatties, flat asses and fuglies. I'm being kind if I say 10% are f*ckable. F*ck and pay for, even less.

P.S The coco-nut price is still R$2.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JeanYou;2412860]But what did happen to Cafe del Mar at Praia Iracemea?

Where is the best place to have a room, close to the action?[/QUOTE]Café del Mar closed several years ago.

As mentioned there is almost no action left but Iracema is a good choice.

The days of Zipi bar and the hooker bars behind it are long gone but the girls here still like to party. It is still a city where the women far out number the men so get yourself on tinder and pay for the membership with unlimited swips or you won't get through all the girls just hunting Insta followers. I've been here 2 weeks and nailed 3 girls from tinder on the first date. I also checked out a few classifieds through reports on the local forum gp-guia. Photoacompanhantes is full of fakes and guys pimping out girls in small apartments around town. I found one girl that was visiting from Sao Paulo that came over for an overnight date for brl1200 and we had a lot of fun. She's long gone and I can't find her ad now, but I will post this beauty's link because she is awesome. This is a local business owner running a little lingerie store. I'll send link to her Instagram by DM if interested because she does all the modelling and it shows her face.

I rented the Diamond suite at the Spa Urbano Motel and it did not disappoint! The room has a warm wading pool with a waterfall and a 20 cm step perfect for blowjobs! I was eating her pussy with half my face underwater and she fuckin loved it! I'm pretty sure that's the only reason she sucked my cock and let me cum in her mouth.

When she came in it was a little bit of introductions and then the games began. She later said that her and her friend suspected I would be some ugly bastard because who else would order an overnight date?! This guy. We took a couple selfies she sent to her friend and we were off to the races!

After the above BJ we fiddled around in the shower, no hot water BTW! (The one bad point about this hotel). The sound system sounds great and we played some music while talking a bit through a translator Convo app. We were sucking and fuckin all night in between some wine and her singing some songs. She can sing!

We woke up in the morning and had a quickie right off the bat. She's a horny little * tbh. She had said she had to leave at 8 am, but it turns out that was a setup in case she wanted to leave. She ended up staying until 10 am! After I collected myself from the quickie we were fooling around while waiting for breakfast when I came back alive and really took it to her. She took a pounding from multiple positions and was talking dirty in Portuguese the whole time!

At the end she said she would experiment with ass play but the night before it was an absolute no. I think I will repeat if I can to test that ass!

Search for Musa Class Maria Alyce. She's a blonde white girl but not the one in the pictures online. I attach one with face and tats covered.

[QUOTE=BarryWood;2591740]The days of Zipi bar and the hooker bars behind it are long gone but the girls here still like to party. It is still a city where the women far out number the men. . .[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update, certainly has been a minute, since that last update here.

So when you say [I]"The days of Zipi bar and the hooker bars behind it are long gone.."[/I], how so?

Are you saying none of these bars no longer exist? (ie., Zipi, Armazm...etc). Is this area now just all restaurants?

Could you provide a bit more detail on what you mean by long gone?

[QUOTE=Spidy;2591889]Thanks for the update, certainly has been a minute, since that last update here.

So when you say [I]"The days of Zipi bar and the hooker bars behind it are long gone.."[/I], how so?

Are you saying none of these bars no longer exist? (ie., Zipi, Armazm...etc). Is this area now just all restaurants?

Could you provide a bit more detail on what you mean by long gone?[/QUOTE]Apparently the government shutdown the bars instead of just saying they should promote sex workers. Take a peak on G Maps street view. The buildings are boarded up, and covered in graffiti.

Here is the picture that didn't attach to the last post.

[QUOTE=BarryWood;2592209]Apparently the government shutdown the bars instead of just saying they should promote sex workers. Take a peak on G Maps street view. The buildings are boarded up, and covered in graffiti.[/QUOTE]Cafe del Mar has been closed for many years. What about Zipi bar?

[QUOTE=BarryWood;2592209]Apparently the government shutdown the bars instead of just saying they should promote sex workers. Take a peak on G Maps street view. The buildings are boarded up, and covered in graffiti.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, this has been the viewpoint and posture of the Governo and Prefeitura Municipal de Fortaleza, for some time now. Hence why the Fortaleza thread has dried up somewhat.

BW, specifically can you report on the "closer" or still "open" status of Armazem and / or Zipi Bar?

The thing about google maps / pics / street view, while helpful, you just can't beat [i]"boots-on-the-ground"[/i].

From Google maps it's not clear Zipi Bar / Forro Mombo are permanently closed.

Last I knew of, Armazem (on Wednesdays) wasn't a totally, full-on sex p4p joint and Zipi Bar and Forro Mombo seem to be last men standing. Armazem still looks like its in operation, while a few doors down, Orbita Bar is temporarily closed.

[QUOTE=BarryWood;2591740]

Search for Musa Class Maria Alyce. She's a blonde white girl but not the one in the pictures online. I attach one with face and tats covered.[/QUOTE]This girl sent me a message yesterday to switch from business WhatsApp to personal account and starting sending cute GFE type texts. Then a few hours ago she told me her grandma just unexpectedly passed away and asked me for money so she could travel. Even sent 2 pitiful selfies with sad faces. If she was some tinder girl I might have been fooled into giving her some cash but not this one. She's a sexy minx but watch out for the tricks!

[QUOTE=BarryWood;2592912]This girl sent me a message yesterday to switch from business WhatsApp to personal account and starting sending cute GFE type texts. Then a few hours ago she told me her grandma just unexpectedly passed away and asked me for money so she could travel. Even sent 2 pitiful selfies with sad faces. If she was some tinder girl I might have been fooled into giving her some cash but not this one. She's a sexy minx but watch out for the tricks![/QUOTE]Brazilian girls have 10 sets of grandparents, so one will always be either dying or have just died. Money seems to help them get over it, that is, until the next one dies. Be sure to ask for a proper name so that you can send flowers.

I was in Fortaleza last week. It was horrible, zero mongering scene.

Now it is a normally city for families. Iracema is dead. Zipi is closed, Pirata is open but now it is a restaurant with music. Forro Mambo is closed, Orbita is closed, Armazen is opened only Wednesday but with a few few people. Rate for sex 200 max 250 reais. Nobody know speak English there. I do not recommend Fortaleza to anyone.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2592344]Unfortunately, this has been the viewpoint and posture of the Governo and Prefeitura Municipal de Fortaleza, for some time now. Hence why the Fortaleza thread has dried up somewhat.

BW, specifically can you report on the "closer" or still "open" status of Armazem and / or Zipi Bar?

The thing about google maps / pics / street view, while helpful, you just can't beat [i]"boots-on-the-ground"[/i].

From Google maps it's not clear Zipi Bar / Forro Mombo are permanently closed.

Last I knew of, Armazem (on Wednesdays) wasn't a totally, full-on sex p4p joint and Zipi Bar and Forro Mombo seem to be last men standing. Armazem still looks like its in operation, while a few doors down, Orbita Bar is temporarily closed.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=AlexBoss;2614849]I was in Fortaleza last week. It was horrible, zero mongering scene.

Now it is a normally city for families. Iracema is dead. Zipi is closed, Pirata is open but now it is a restaurant with music. Forro Mambo is closed, Orbita is closed, Armazen is opened only Wednesday but with a few few people. Rate for sex 200 max 250 reais. Nobody know speak English there. I do not recommend Fortaleza to anyone.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the update and intel on the current club openings and closings in Fortaleza. Much appreciated.

This was a thriving P4P destination at one time. Hard to believe the P4P scene in Fortaleza has dropped off, this much. Let's hope it just COVID related and things will pickup again. Unless that is, the Governo and Prefeitura Municipal de Fortaleza, have really blown things up, with regards to the P4P scene, for good?

Was hoping to re-visit, Fortaleza, for the P4P action and a bit of nostalgia. But it looks like I may need to re-think the P4P part of the plan.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2615126]Thanks for the update and intel on the current club openings and closings in Fortaleza. Much appreciated.

This was a thriving P4P destination at one time. Hard to believe the P4P scene in Fortaleza has dropped off, this much. Let's hope it just COVID related and things will pickup again. Unless that is, the Governo and Prefeitura Municipal de Fortaleza, have really blown things up, with regards to the P4P scene, for good?

Was hoping to re-visit, Fortaleza, for the P4P action and a bit of nostalgia. But it looks like I may need to re-think the P4P part of the plan.[/QUOTE]Fortaleza fell off years and years ago. When I first started going to Brazil, I had it on my short list as a place to visit. But then the mongering scene really tanked. I think they got some female politician who shut it down.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2615126]...This was a thriving P4P destination at one time. Hard to believe the P4P scene in Fortaleza has dropped off, this much....[/QUOTE]I am flying there in a week or so. I will report. It seems the local mongering board is active:

[URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/viewforum.php?f=285&sid=55f6aff581692ba85be7fc7b2ab137a7[/URL]

But mostly Clnicas and Privês.

[QUOTE=The Cane;2615261]Fortaleza fell off years and years ago. When I first started going to Brazil, I had it on my short list as a place to visit. But then the mongering scene really tanked. I think they got some female politician who shut it down.[/QUOTE]

While, Luizianne Lins, hasn't been mayor since December 2012, the effects of that mayoralty has taken its effect.

It would seem, Roberto Cláudio (2013-2020), succeeded her and cleaned up nicely, behind her. I'm just mildly shocked, that ALL venues are now (reportedly) gone, dead, kaput and shutdown permanently.

Fortaleza was one of my favorite P4P destinations. Won't be the same somehow, but I guess there's always good friends, great beaches, dunes, cashew nuts (castanhas) and great seafood to be had, as reasons to still visit.

[QUOTE=John Clayton;2615316]I am flying there in a week or so. I will report. It seems the local mongering board is active:

[URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/viewforum.php?f=285&sid=55f6aff581692ba85be7fc7b2ab137a7[/URL]

But mostly Clnicas and Privs.[/QUOTE] Thanks, I Look forward to your intel. Hopefully, it's just down to the nuts and beaches...kkk

I'm heading to Fortaleza soon. Anybody knows if the privées on Monsenhor Tabosa 111 is still working? There were no recent information on Gp-guia.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2615316]I am flying there in a week or so. I will report. It seems the local mongering board is active:...[/QUOTE]I made this bigly promise but, in short, I didn't post because it was a complete failure for me. I had all kind of fantasies about what I would do / accomplish on the trip; however, I spent most of my time kiting to the WNW of Fortaleza and completely failed on the mongering part.

1) I drove back through Fortaleza after about a week in the remote WNW with high hopes. As you know, the City used to be a real mongering destination, mostly for Europeans, until about ten years ago. It was centered on Iracema beach and its pier. So I booked what looked to be the closest, decent hotel (with secure parking) to Iracema with the hope that something would be happening or, worst case, I could get an incall. I got to the hotel (hot, tired, fed up with traffic) about 3 pm and they told me, "no visitors". WTF! I said, 'okay, forget about it, I'll go somewhere else', but I'd already paid through [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] or whatever and the refund process looked too difficult. Anyhow, the place was really a dump (with a crappy breakfast, as well), I had a room by the elevator -- don't stay there! I went out on the pier and the sidewalk both at 4 pm and later at 10:30, but didn't see anything resembling P4P. Lot of women dressed like sluts, but I think that's just their normal beachwear.

2) In desperation, I tried to get through to girls with incalls around Beira Mar (the main beachfront road). Seem to be many, many girls with incalls right around there listed Mileroticos and Photoacompanhantes. Long story short, I took an Uber to an apartment building on Avenida da Abolição, expecting a nice apartment and a girl resembling (somewhat) the photo. Instead, I was greeted by two fat working girls in a dark, dingy apartment. I said where is Mary, or whoever it was? They gave me some stupid excuse, said we'll do a threeway for the same price, but my Portuguese is so weak that I couldn't argue. I was also meeting some friends at a nearby churrascuria at eight, so I just went with it. Mistake, horrible, horrible, squalid, horrible. Condom this, 'no amor, not that', etc. I couldn't nut from fucking and when one of them was giving me a HJ, I cut my leg on the sharp edge of the bed -- in sum, the worst. Left feeling ripped off, humiliated, stupid, etc.

3) After a brief sojourn south to Aracati, I went back to the very remote beaches past Jericoacoara. I had turned on Tinder (the free version) just to see what would happen, where I posted a real picture, my real age (late 70's) and something like,"retired northamerican with money looking for fun". Surprisingly, I got some matches even way out there, but it would have required effort and some driving. Also, I was staying in little, intimate, European owned pousadas, not big, anonymous hotels (weren't any), so I couldn't have done anything anyway.

4) I got hurt kiting and decided to bail out early. There were clearly some Tinder based gdps in Jijoca de Jericoacoara, so I tried to stop there to hook up with one of them, but it was a holiday weekend and there were no rooms to be had at all.

5) I returned to Fortaleza a couple of days before my flight and stayed in a posh, anonymous beachfront hotel, Gran Mareiro Hotel (excellent breakfast) on Praia so Futuro. Free Tinder (location based) just lit up. I had at least 30 matches, all with young women, who messaged,'Ol, meu amor. Quando podemos ligar?, etc', which I took as meaning that they were pure GDP. Easily could have brought girls up to the room, but I was too injured and old to make the effort.

So, in sum, a total failure with no real useful information except avoid Hotel Maredomus, use Tinder and don't be as old as I am.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2634917]I made this bigly promise but, in short, I didn't post because it was a complete failure for me. I had all kind of fantasies about what I would do / accomplish on the trip; however, I spent most of my time kiting to the WNW of Fortaleza and completely failed on the mongering part.

In desperation, I tried to get through to girls with incalls around Beira Mar (the main beachfront road). Seem to be many, many girls with incalls right around there listed Mileroticos and Photoacompanhantes. Long story short, I took an Uber to an apartment building on Avenida da Abolio, expecting a nice apartment and a girl resembling (somewhat) the photo. Instead, I was greeted by two fat working girls in a dark, dingy apartment. I said where is Mary, or whoever it was? They gave me some stupid excuse, said we'll do a threeway for the same price, but my Portuguese is so weak that I couldn't argue. I was also meeting some friends at a nearby churrascuria at eight, so I just went with it. Mistake, horrible, horrible, squalid, horrible. Condom this, 'no amor, not that', etc. I couldn't nut from fucking and when one of them was giving me a HJ, I cut my leg on the sharp edge of the bed -- in sum, the worst. Left feeling ripped off, humiliated, stupid, etc.

So, in sum, a total failure with no real useful information except avoid Hotel Maredomus, use Tinder and don't be as old as I am.[/QUOTE]John Clayton took one for the team LOLOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2634917]Jericoacoara[/QUOTE]Thank you for the report. Is Jericoacoara easy to get to? Do you rent equipment there?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2634950]Thank you for the report. Is Jericoacoara easy to get to? Do you rent equipment there?[/QUOTE]I understand that in the national park itself there is no kiting. It's a good 4 or 5 hours from FOR. Most people I met got there by pickup truck / taxi from the airport -- I think it was about $125 US per person each way. Problem is, if your gear gets delayed (as it often does flying up from GRU) and you take a pre arranged taxi with the rest of your group -- then you have to arrange to get it schlepped up to Jeri. I went with a shit ton of gear, which got delayed in FOR. Luckily, I was not too far and it came the next day.

Prea is the next town to the east with onshore / sideshore beach break. Tatajuba is just to the west, but apparently the road was too bad for my rental car so I didn't go there. It is on a river mouth, which makes it a better spot. There are rentals and kite schools at all the bigger spots.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2634917]I made this bigly promise but, in short, I didn't post because it was a complete failure for me.[/QUOTE]Thanks, JC. An interesting and entertaining report. I never stayed in Hotel Maredomus, just passed by and informed about their guest policy. That's one of the few hotels in that area that doesn't allow guests. Aracati (maybe Canoa Quebrada) and Jericoacoara. Nice beaches. In Jeri there is usually lots of beautiful girls, but propably hard to pickup if you're in the late 70's.

I was interested to know if Zipis and the privées om; omsemhor Tabosa 11 really closed. I guess I'll find out in a few days.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2634961]I understand that in the national park itself there is no kiting. It's a good 4 or 5 hours from FOR. Most people I met got there by pickup truck / taxi from the airport -- I think it was about $125 US per person each way. Problem is, if your gear gets delayed (as it often does flying up from GRU) and you take a pre arranged taxi with the rest of your group -- then you have to arrange to get it schlepped up to Jeri. I went with a shit ton of gear, which got delayed in FOR. Luckily, I was not too far and it came the next day.

Prea is the next town to the east with onshore / sideshore beach break. Tatajuba is just to the west, but apparently the road was too bad for my rental car so I didn't go there. It is on a river mouth, which makes it a better spot. There are rentals and kite schools at all the bigger spots.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the details. Just a side note, I read there are now regular flights going to Bonaire from MDE so that is good news too.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2635050]...but propably hard to pickup if you're in the late 70's...[/QUOTE]Yeah, probably (sigh).

Unfortunately John Clayton confirms my opinion, namely the death of Fortaleza as a city of sex. And this for years, since all clubs in Iracema and Beira Mar and av. Abolico there are no more prostitutes. I warn anyone who plans to go to Fortaleza for sex that the travel money will be thrown in the trash.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2634917]I made this bigly promise but, in short, I didn't post because it was a complete failure for me. I had all kind of fantasies about what I would do / accomplish on the trip; however, I spent most of my time kiting to the WNW of Fortaleza and completely failed on the mongering part.

1) I drove back through Fortaleza after about a week in the remote WNW with high hopes. As you know, the City used to be a real mongering destination, mostly for Europeans, until about ten years ago. It was centered on Iracema beach and its pier. So I booked what looked to be the closest, decent hotel (with secure parking) to Iracema with the hope that something would be happening or, worst case, I could get an incall. I got to the hotel (hot, tired, fed up with traffic) about 3 pm and they told me, "no visitors". WTF! I said, 'okay, forget about it, I'll go somewhere else', but I'd already paid through [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] or whatever and the refund process looked too difficult. Anyhow, the place was really a dump (with a crappy breakfast, as well), I had a room by the elevator -- don't stay there! I went out on the pier and the sidewalk both at 4 pm and later at 10:30, but didn't see anything resembling P4P. Lot of women dressed like sluts, but I think that's just their normal beachwear.

2) In desperation, I tried to get through to girls with incalls around Beira Mar (the main beachfront road). Seem to be many, many girls with incalls right around there listed Mileroticos and Photoacompanhantes. Long story short, I took an Uber to an apartment building on Avenida da Abolio, expecting a nice apartment and a girl resembling (somewhat) the photo. Instead, I was greeted by two fat working girls in a dark, dingy apartment. I said where is Mary, or whoever it was? They gave me some stupid excuse, said we'll do a threeway for the same price, but my Portuguese is so weak that I couldn't argue. I was also meeting some friends at a nearby churrascuria at eight, so I just went with it. Mistake, horrible, horrible, squalid, horrible. Condom this, 'no amor, not that', etc. I couldn't nut from fucking and when one of them was giving me a HJ, I cut my leg on the sharp edge of the bed -- in sum, the worst. Left feeling ripped off, humiliated, stupid, etc..[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately John Clayton confirms my opinion, the death of Fortaleza as a city of sex. And this for years, since all clubs in Iracema are closed and in Beira Mar and av. Abolicão there are no more street prostitutes. I warn anyone who plans to go to Fortaleza for sex that the travel money will be thrown in the trash.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2634917]I made this bigly promise but, in short, I didn't post because it was a complete failure for me. I had all kind of fantasies about what I would do / accomplish on the trip; however, I spent most of my time kiting to the WNW of Fortaleza and completely failed on the mongering part.

1) I drove back through Fortaleza after about a week in the remote WNW with high hopes. As you know, the City used to be a real mongering destination, mostly for Europeans, until about ten years ago. It was centered on Iracema beach and its pier. So I booked what looked to be the closest, decent hotel (with secure parking) to Iracema with the hope that something would be happening or, worst case, I could get an incall. I got to the hotel (hot, tired, fed up with traffic) about 3 pm and they told me, "no visitors". WTF! I said, 'okay, forget about it, I'll go somewhere else', but I'd already paid through [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] or whatever and the refund process looked too difficult. Anyhow, the place was really a dump (with a crappy breakfast, as well), I had a room by the elevator -- don't stay there! I went out on the pier and the sidewalk both at 4 pm and later at 10:30, but didn't see anything resembling P4P. Lot of women dressed like sluts, but I think that's just their normal beachwear..[/QUOTE]

Hey guys,

The Zip bar is still open every day and the schedule started to work normally open: 22 h:00 close: 03:00 h and it is starting to get a lot of gringos. Friday and Saturday always full of new girls and gringos from Europe.

Covid digital certificate required upon entry.

Wednesday you have the Complexo Armazem open and pumping with call girls.

Outside Fortaleza there is a nightclub called Black Gate very famous around here full of beautiful women.

Forro Mambo is closed.

I'm Portuguese living in Fortaleza, sorry for my English.

[QUOTE=AlexBoss;2635328]Unfortunately John Clayton confirms my opinion, namely the death of Fortaleza as a city of sex. And this for years, since all clubs in Iracema and Beira Mar and av. Abolico there are no more prostitutes. I warn anyone who plans to go to Fortaleza for sex that the travel money will be thrown in the trash.[/QUOTE]I'm not fully prepared to accept the death of Fortaleza. Is it dying? Has it changed? Bm'ers that have been coming to Fortaleza for years claim that Fortaleza is better worth missing these days. I don't agree one hundred percent with these claims of Fortaleza's demise. I was there a few months before the pandemic began and had a great time. Zipi bar had talent most nights of the week as did forro mambo (but definitely less numbers than zipi). The armazem was great on Wednesday nights and had lots of cuties! I have faith that these venues will rebound post covid. Will Fortaleza ever regain its former glory as a sexual oasis / haven for us guys. Most certainly not, but I do feel like there are still some good times to be had in Fortal.

I usually gives an update on Canoa Quebrada every year. A small beach city 3,5 hours busride south of Fortaleza. In the nineties and the early 2000 the easiest city in Brasil to get laid with quality p*ssy for free. I've been her every year since 1991 and see how it goes downhill.

Because of the covid situation it's really not much tourism. Many bars and restaurants have closed down. The nightlife is much calmer than it used to be. Around 1 AM the party is over.

There are still very beautiful regular girls to score. If you want those you'll need to be young or know the locals who can introduce you as one of the good guys. Local girls who hang out with gringos might get a bad reputation quickly. There is also piranhas, often women from cities nearby who enjoys adventures with gringos, sometimes in exchange for money. These piranhas doesn't seems to change. They just get older and fatter every year. Finally there are a bunch of putas wgo doesn't hide what's their business. Watch out for thief girls coming from other cities. They work together with guys who will rob you after the girls have given you a Boa Noite Cinderella-.

Very few gringos comes to Canoa nowadays. There are about 2 dozen gringos who spends several months in Canoa every year. The average age of these gringos must be close to 70 years. Quite a sad bunch of gringos. Unfit, poorly dressed alcojolics who get pissed every evening. Some of them got GFs in XXXL size.

The best part of Canoa are the fantastic beaches, sanddunes, excellent restaurants and a very laid back atmosphere. A perfect place to stay for a few days and recharge you batteries. In a few hours I'll head to Fortaleza and will see what it has to offer.

Thanks for your latest reportage, Sperto. I have never been up north, but I really like hot weather & warm water and that just ain't Rio 9 or 10 months out of the year. Ha Ha. I am used to SE Asian tropical beaches with their lush jungle foliage groing all the way down to the sand and 65 to 80 feet ocean visibility (calm beaches). But, these Brazilian dune beaches look very interesting to me and very different than what I am accustomed to.

So, I am considering flying up north and renting a car for a little beach getaway side trip during my next visit to SP & RJ. Of course, it would be great if there were some attractive local talents available for a good time, but that is not necessarily a trip killer for me because I don't plan to stay more than a night or two in the cities (Fortaleza and Recife) plus I would either BMO girl to the beaches or just take 4 or 5 days off to recharge my battery.

Anyway, have a great trip. I am sure many of us are looking forward to you next report.

A. H.

If Fortaleza is really dead (meaning venues to Monger) then are online resources used as backup plan? It looks like these (and simular) resources seem to be pretty active.

Any boots on the ground confirm if this is the way to go in Fortaleza?

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/fortaleza[/URL]

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[URL]https://search.vivalocal.com/acompanhante-erotico/fortaleza?lb=new&search=1&start_field=1&keywords=&cat_1=133&geosearch_text=Fortaleza+CE&searchGeoId=32&sp_personals_age%5Bstart%5D=&sp_personals_age%5Bend%5D=&sp_common_designation=&sp_common_second_type=&sp_common_tags_2%5Bstart%5D=&sp_common_tags_2%5Bend%5D=&sp_text_0=[/URL]


Also if you did hookup with someone would they be able to tell you if new venues replaced the old venues that once existed?

Fortaleza update. I'm sorry if the report is too long, but I had to kill some time this afternoon.

How much Fortaleza has changed or is going downhill depends on what, or rather to when, you compare. A short reflection based on the last 31 years I've been visiting Fortaleza.

* The 90's: Fortaleza was insanely good. All of the orla in Iracema was filled with restaurants and bars. Lots of bars with a mixture of regular girls and GPS. The best bar was Moby Dick (Captains Club, changed name often). Beira Mar had many excellent bars and barracas with GPS. All of the orla in Iracema and Beira Mar had GPS strolling up and down looking for customers. Pirata on Mondays was a no miss when picking up regular girls. There were even a hardcore strip club called Africa. Chico do Carangueijo (Praia do Futuro) on Thursday were like Sodom and Gomorra, when you met a girl there you could just bring her outside to some beach chairs and f*ck her (I remember once getting a BJ in a beach chair, when I looked around in the dark I saw 7 couples close by also having sex on the beach). There were also a bunch of giant forró clubs in the outskirts of Fortaleza that hold 5000 people, as a gringo you were the main attraction. There were a great interest among the regular girls to meet gringos. It was rare that you had to pay for sex, and sometimes there were threesomes with two regular girls.

*The 2000's: The scene changed. Less action along the orla in Iracema. Many of the bars got abandoned. The maresia (salty winds) destroyed the buildings in the Iracema orla. Instead the GP Action moved to the working girl crossing in Iracema. There were the big club Kangoroo (changed name to Capital and later to Forró & Mamboo), Cafe del Mar, Europa Bar, Bikini Bar, The Reggae Bar, Zipi and several other bars and clubs. There were a strong concentration of GPS in one small area. Many regular girls 18+ went to Iracema to earn some extra money. Often you could ask them if they had friends who would also like to earn some money. Beira Mar and the orla still had a share of the action. The forró clubs still worked. There were a giant disco called Mucuripe with four dancefloors with different music. Mucuripe had a large percentage of super hot regular girls (I did a f*ck count and counted that 85% of the girls were very f*ckable). Croco Beach daytime had lots of GPS. The regular girls were still hungry for gringos.

*The 2010's: Now it started to go downhill with Fortaleza. The prefeitura hated that Fortaleza was a destination for sex tourists. Slowly the clubs in the working girl crossing closed one by one. The last survivor was Forró & Mamboo (Cafe del Mar was on second place). Zipi was still rocking, a small club but with some good quality girls. Armazem had lots of GPS on Wednesday. Beira Mar had less action, but usually plenty of GP's in the restaurants and bars close to McDonalds. Croco Beach turned into a family beach. The regular girls were still hungry for gringos, but not as much as before.

*The last years: The action has been very limited. Zipi Bar, Forro & Mamboo, Armazem and a bunch of GPS close to McDonald. The last years Fortaleza mongering has just been a shadow of what it used to be.

*All right, how does it looks today? This is only my third day in Fortaleza but this what I've seen so far:

- Forro & Mamboo: It's closed. IMO no loss as it has been very slow the last decade. From my hotel room I have a good view inside the club and it's not emptied. Who knows if they might open again in the future?

- Zipi Bar: I passed by the day before yesterday. Very few people inside the club. Yesterday I had some beers outside Zipi Bar. When I left a bit after 11 PM no guests had entered the bar, and just a handful of GPS gathering on the outside.

- Armazem: Wednesdays used to be working girl night. I don't know if it still works. They used to have a large sign on the outside telling which bands that would play on the different evenings that week. That sign is gone.

- Pirata: Yesterday was Pirata evening. I passed by on the backside. Maximum of 50 people on the inside.

- Croco Beach: Much less people than normal and mostly families.

- Beira Mar: Here the prefeitura really has managed to destroy one of the most pleasant orlas in Brazil. Along the orla there used the be lots of restaurants and bars with people partying and some bars with GPS. Now they have removed most of the establishments. Instead they have constructed parking lots. All the big beautiful palm trees are gone. The few bars that are still left are much smaller than before. The working girl point in front of McDonalds is gone. What happened is that they have widen the beach a lot. All of the permanent barracas are now far away from the waterfront. They also have constructed, in the middle of the beach, very wide paths for bikers and runners. Side-note: For those who enjoys early morning runs. Try running from ex-ponte Metalica in Iracema to Mercado do Peixe at the end of Beira Mar. It's 10 km back and fourth. Just after 5 AM there about 1000 runners every morning. Great fun and lots of extremely fit girls.

- Favelada flirting. On weekends Iracema and Beira Mar gets invaded by the young Fortaleza favela crowd. Be careful as there are many thieves in that crowd. However there are tons of very sexy and flirting favela girls.

- Regular girls: As long as you have a bit of game there shouldn't be any problems to find regular girls. I have a small stable with regular girls I call every time I'll get to Fortaleza-.

* The privê scene:

- In centro there are many buildings with privées. Nothing has changed here. You'll find these buildings on Rua Sena Madureira 961 and Rua 24 de Maio 268/754 / 876. There is a reason these places earned nicknames like "Corredor do Inferno" (Hells corridor). It's quite fun to visit these places but don't have any expectations. However once in a decade there might be a gem. They charge 40 reais.

- Monsenhor Tabosa 111 used to be a really good privê spot. On the second floor there used to be something like 10 privées with some really good quality. Yesterday I went there and now there is only 2 privées left. You can't miss them as they are the only apartments with door mats on the outside, one even has a "Welcome" sign. Four girls in each privê. It's incredibly that the price continues the same, 100 reais /1 hour.

- Yesterday I chose Sofia. Morena clara, 28 years, medium sized firm tits and a nice round medium sized butt. Her face was not the cutest one, but what a sexmachine she was. Great BBBJ and f*cks extremely good.

- Today I went back and had problems to choose. A blond girl who runs the privê took of her robe and let me play with her nice boobies, but instead I chose her colleague Vanessa. Vanessa is a morena escura, 19 years old, super cute, petit and innocent looking. Small but extremely well shaped and firm tits, slim, supertight p*ssy and perfectly round little pony ass. I was worried that she wouldn't be very experienced, but she was a champion. Gave an outstandning BBBJ and f'cked like a godess. I'll probably have one Monsenhor Tabosa girl every day as long as I stay in Fortaleza.

*Summary: The monger scene has gone down even more in Fortaleza. Zipi was the bar that tried to still hold the flag standing, it's still there but quite worthless. There are still a few good privê options, but much less to choose from. If you enjoy picking up regular girls, have a go at Fortaleza. If you're only interested in P4 P there are better travel options. I haven't tried online dating or escorts as it's not my cup of tea, but that might be an good option.

P. S The coconut price has gone up to 3 reais.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2638201]Fortaleza update. I'm sorry if the report is too long, but I had to kill some time this afternoon.[/QUOTE]Very informative past to present report. Look forward to reading more of your experiences in Fortaleza.

Congratulations Sperto, I think yours is the best review of Fortaleza in recent years. Unfortunately, you confirm my own negative impressions of the last few years. I have been in October and have seen the same things as you (sadly). My first time in Fortaleza in 2013, then 2014, 2018, 2019 and 2021. And every year that passed we saw a slow decline of everything. Luckily I have a "girlfriend" there and I can have fun with her.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2638201]Fortaleza update. I'm sorry if the report is too long, but I had to kill some time this afternoon.

How much Fortaleza has changed or is going downhill depends on what, or rather to when, you compare. A short reflection based on the last 31 years I've been visiting Fortaleza.

* The 90's: Fortaleza was insanely good. All of the orla in Iracema was filled with restaurants and bars. Lots of bars with a mixture of regular girls and GPS. The best bar was Moby Dick (Captains Club, changed name often). Beira Mar had many excellent bars and barracas with GPS. All of the orla in Iracema and Beira Mar had GPS strolling up and down looking for customers. Pirata on Mondays was a no miss when picking up regular girls. There were even a hardcore strip club called Africa. Chico do Carangueijo (Praia do Futuro) on Thursday were like Sodom and Gomorra, when you met a girl there you could just bring her outside to some beach chairs and f*ck her (I remember once getting a BJ in a beach chair, when I looked around in the dark I saw 7 couples close by also having sex on the beach). There were also a bunch of giant forr clubs in the outskirts of Fortaleza that hold 5000 people, as a gringo you were the main attraction. There were a great interest among the regular girls to meet gringos. It was rare that you had to pay for sex, and sometimes there were threesomes with two regular girls...[/QUOTE]

Just to complete my update:

* Now I know for sure that Armazem is having working girl-night on Wednesday. However with some restrictions like only half of the club.

* Regarding the privées on Monsenhor Tabosa 111, second floor. The privées are located in sala 48 and 49. I went there today to have a blond girl called Mel, but she was delayed so I did a repeteca with Vanessa the 19 year old girl. She was even better today.

* Beira Mar, daytime GPS on beach. Barraca Satehut, in front of McDonalds used to be where gringos and GPS gathered. Now Satehut is far away from the waterfront and have no action. There are some tiny barracas, in front of Satehut, close to the waterfront. There were some eye-candy but no GPS. I tried to pickup a very fit gaucha but her fat friend ruined it. After the barraca guys didn't manage to overcharge me they suddenly became very friendly and started to show me photos of a lots of girls who charge 150 reais /2 hours.

[QUOTE=John Clayton;2634917]I made this bigly promise but, in short, I didn't post because it was a complete failure for me. I had all kind of fantasies about what I would do / accomplish on the trip; however, I spent most of my time kiting to the WNW of Fortaleza and completely failed on the mongering part.

. . .

So, in sum, a total failure with no real useful information except avoid Hotel Maredomus, use Tinder and don't be as old as I am.[/QUOTE]

By some measures, in your report it outlines some even tougher uphill sledding in Fortaleza for old guys. Interesting to note, at one time I was looking at Fortaleza, as a nice getaway quasi-retirement spot, from Rio. Ah...best laid plans et al.

Thanks for the update from the "old geezer" P.O.V., your report was not lost on me...kkk. But fear not, all is not lost and perhaps with more time to spend on P4P, according to current reports there still remains a spark of activity, among several of the veteran establishments. BTW, it was good to see you enjoying several of the other locations around Ceara (ie., Jeri, Aracati)

I guess if and when I re-visit Fortaleza again (as it will always have a special place "em meu coração"), I'll just have to lower my P4P expectations.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2639199]By some measures, in your report it outlines some even tougher uphill sledding in Fortaleza for old guys. Interesting to note, at one time I was looking at Fortaleza, as a nice getaway quasi-retirement spot, from Rio. Ah...best laid plans et al.

Thanks for the update from the "old geezer" P.O.V., your report was not lost on me...kkk. But fear not, all is not lost and perhaps with more time to spend on P4P, according to current reports there still remains a spark of activity, among several of the veteran establishments. BTW, it was good to see you enjoying several of the other locations around Ceara (ie., Jeri, Aracati)

I guess if and when I re-visit Fortaleza again (as it will always have a special place "em meu corao"), I'll just have to lower my P4P expectations.[/QUOTE]I saw infinite possibilities on Tinder, but I didn't have the strength to do anything about it.

As a good resident of the city, I can recommend to friends who are passing through that the best way to find a escort girl in Fortaleza is to hire them through the websites available in the city. But the only one that is sure not to advertise fake scortgirls is Musa Class. The site has existed for more than 10 years in the Northeast of Brazil and has a portal for complaints in the event of any unforeseen event. So friends can be carefree not to fall for any scam.

[URL]https://musaclass.com.br/acompanhantes/fortaleza/[/URL]

[QUOTE=CapoPlaza;2679107] As a good resident of the city, I can recommend to friends who are passing through that the best way to find a escort girl in Fortaleza is to hire them through the websites available in the city. But the only one that is sure not to advertise fake scortgirls is Musa Class. The site has existed for more than 10 years in the Northeast of Brazil and has a portal for complaints in the event of any unforeseen event. So friends can be carefree not to fall for any scam.

[URL]https://musaclass.com.br/acompanhantes/fortaleza/[/URL][/QUOTE]"As a good resident of the city." Can you recommended some venues (Boates, Bars, or Clubs if they exist) in Fortaleza that a BM should check out for GDP's??
Online is fine but nothing can replicate the live hunt experience. It's been reported that Fortaleza is declining but surely a "resident" may have current information that may elude a "short time visitor".

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Spent a week at Fortaleza and fabulous weekend at Jericoacoara.

Walk by every night (except weekend) at Piratas and found it with minimal folks attending a live music inside bar.

With very little expectation on Monday night, this place was packed with probably over 250+guest (performers / waitstaff50+) of all ages enjoying, listening, dancing. Beachside entry was closed but street side entry was 60 reales, well worth the price of entry.

Brazilian families, friends paired up, a few 4-6 garotas (I suspect) Decided to turn in before mid night, but the fun continued on with all seats occupied top and bottom. Fold dancing packed below the stage area.

Monsenhor Tabosa111,2nd floor was my go to with air conditioner for massage and sexytime. Went wit MEL (2 x) and Kelly.

100 reales no massage /130 with massage.

3 tight quarters, one with massage table by lockers. Shower by front door.

Note to self: Always take shower otherwise my 2nd visit ended up with CBJ.

Ave Madureira was way too hot as hell to touch bellybuttons.