Hey guys,
I have a quick question I could use your help on: What is the best way to handle meeting chica from another city, e.g., from Bucaramanga? Fly her in on my dime, split the bill, or other approach?
Thanks
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Hey guys,
I have a quick question I could use your help on: What is the best way to handle meeting chica from another city, e.g., from Bucaramanga? Fly her in on my dime, split the bill, or other approach?
Thanks
One more question: what's your best approach in testing a chica you met and assume she is a non-pro to see if she would go for P4P without blowing the situation?
[QUOTE=Tom Cruze]One more question: what's your best approach in testing a chica you met and assume she is a non-pro to see if she would go for P4P without blowing the situation?[/QUOTE]
Meet up with her in person and bring a Colombian friend of yours who is a fast talker, hustler type. Male or female, doesn't matter. Pour some drinks. After a while, your friend propositions the girl discreetly "this is what X wants, but he is too polite to ask...". If the girl gets upset, you can say your friend did not talk to you first and was trying to do you a favor, but misinterpreted what you wanted. If she gets angry, you can say "sorry that this happened, let's never hang out with (friend) again".
Another idea. Talk to her in a general sense "I have heard that sometimes people in Colombia do..." (describe the prepago thing). See what her reaction is. If she isn't telling straight away, you can ask if she has friends that think it's OK, or something. Once you get her stated opinion, you decide whether to make a play or not.
If you want to hit her up for a prepago thing, do it without delay (not too many dates).
Key words to use if you are discussing this kind of thing:
regalo (gift)
pasarla bien (have a good time)
motel (love motel)
Talk about what a nice person you are, I'm easygoing blah blah blah. You want her to visualize that it will be a good time, you'll be respectful and nothing problematic is going to happen.
[QUOTE=Cachorro]Meet up with her in person and bring a Colombian friend of yours who is a fast talker, hustler type. Male or female, doesn't matter. Pour some drinks. After a while, your friend propositions the girl discreetly "this is what X wants, but he is too polite to ask...". If the girl gets upset, you can say your friend did not talk to you first and was trying to do you a favor, but misinterpreted what you wanted. If she gets angry, you can say "sorry that this happened, let's never hang out with (friend) again".
Another idea. Talk to her in a general sense "I have heard that sometimes people in Colombia do..." (describe the prepago thing). See what her reaction is. If she isn't telling straight away, you can ask if she has friends that think it's OK, or something. Once you get her stated opinion, you decide whether to make a play or not.
If you want to hit her up for a prepago thing, do it without delay (not too many dates).
Key words to use if you are discussing this kind of thing:
regalo (gift)
pasarla bien (have a good time)
motel (love motel)
Talk about what a nice person you are, I'm easygoing blah blah blah. You want her to visualize that it will be a good time, you'll be respectful and nothing problematic is going to happen.[/QUOTE]Dude, this is super advice. Many gracias a ti.
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]I think it was the rise that was unexpected, as least by me, not the drop. What caused the usd to suddenly gain some strength against the cop?
Now back under 2000: We seem to be on the road to resumption of toilet-paper dollar normality:
[url]http://finance.yahoo.com/charts#chart1:symbol=usdcop=x;range=3m;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;logscale=on;source=undefined[/url][/QUOTE]
Don't believe everything you read. I made ATM withdrawals the last 2 days and got over 2000 each time.
[QUOTE=Tom Cruze]Hey guys,
I have a quick question I could use your help on: What is the best way to handle meeting chica from another city, e.g., from Bucaramanga? Fly her in on my dime, split the bill, or other approach?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Split the bill? Jejejeje. No lo creo en Colombia.
The lesson there, is that it is much safer to go out in strange places with a wingman that can take care of you if things go wrong ...
Regards. BB.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Split the bill? Jejejeje. No lo creo en Colombia.[/QUOTE]Okay, so I have a question for you more experienced guys with this situation.
Is it a given that if you pay for a chica's airfare into town she knows what she is getting into, i.e., your gonna bang her throughout her stay?
[QUOTE=Tom Cruze]Okay, so I have a question for you more experienced guys with this situation.
Is it a given that if you pay for a chica's airfare into town she knows what she is getting into, i.e., your gonna bang her throughout her stay?[/QUOTE]Nothing is ever a given there or antwhere else. She might be using you as a way to get to see family there.
[QUOTE=Tom Cruze]Okay, so I have a question for you more experienced guys with this situation.
Is it a given that if you pay for a chica's airfare into town she knows what she is getting into, i.e., your gonna bang her throughout her stay?[/QUOTE]
Under most circumstances, yes. However, she will not behave like your puta. You won't get her to suck and fuck on demand. You will have to schmooze her a little.
The answer above assumes that you know the girl and have spent some time with her in the past. If you are talking about an Internet novia, she might be a 14-year-old boy. All bets are off.
[QUOTE=Tom Cruze]Hey guys,
I have a quick question I could use your help on: What is the best way to handle meeting chica from another city, e.g., from Bucaramanga? Fly her in on my dime, split the bill, or other approach?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Much easier just to go see her. If it doesn't work out with her, you can easily escape, explore the city, go back home.
It's just easier.
If this is a chica you met on the internet, and it's a first meeting, I'd definitely recommned you visit her. They are rarely what you expect.
Good luck amigo!
I agree.. just go see her. Truth is, chances are you may hit it off and yes you will be like novias and it should be a rather easy lay even if you have no game. Thing is, you may find that you wish you weren't with her 24/7 and wish you had the opportunity to explore with other chicas. Fly her in and you don't have that option. I agree with el Maestro Ricker, just go see her.
hmmmm... I met the love of my life online... cybercupido to be exact (don't tell Nibu). That was before I had the secret Ricker manual.
[QUOTE=Ricker]Much easier just to go see her. If it doesn't work out with her, you can easily escape, explore the city, go back home.
It's just easier.
If this is a chica you met on the internet, and it's a first meeting, I'd definitely recommned you visit her. They are rarely what you expect.
Good luck amigo![/QUOTE]
"CITIBANK Introduces Foreign ATM Fee
Those damned thieving banks are raising there levels of thievery again. The moment I have been dreading has arrived.
Citibank this week introduced a foreign ATM fee of Gs25,000($US5). I was using a VISA card from the US.
I was given a message announcing the charge and an opportunity to cancel, which I did. I then went to an ABM-AMRO and extracted money there. There was no message of a fee, the ATM operated in a normal fashion, so I assume there was none until I can check the account.
It looks like Citibank is leading the pack in robbery. I fear the other banks will follow. Avoidance of ATM fees is becoming an ever bigger issue. If I were to use my Wells FEEgo card(God forbid) to withdraw $US400(an amount still possible here) it would cost me:
Wells FEEgo: Foreign ATM=$5, International Transaction 3%=$12, Total=$17
Visa foreign currency 1%= $4
Citibank foreign ATM= $5
Grand total= $US26 to extract $US400!!! = 6.5%
At a time they are paying <1% per YEAR for checking interest.
And as the banks create greater monopolies, they get harder to avoid. Another classic example of robbing the little people. Thank the corporate imperialists in power"
Is this true in COLOMBIA as well? It must be,, but I was just there last week and it was still 1% at CITIBANK.
Who and what bank are people using to get money out? and at what rate is overall is the "best" for instance 500k pesos at a time?
When using ATM's in Colombia I use both my Compass and Wells Fargo ATM cards. I have found that Compass is better. I typically make all my withdrawals from a Davienda ATM(about 90% of the time)
With Compass I am charged no fees from the other ATM or by Compass. however 1% is taken out of the calcualtion, which is that 1% Visa fee.
With Wells Fargo I am charged $5.00 (only 1 time) and the rate is better sometimes for some odd reason than I get with my Compass ATM so I came to the conclusion that they either do not take out the 1% Visa fee. Or it could be that maybe one bank uses the rate at the end of the day while the other maybe uses the previous days or next days rate.
Regardless, if you do like me... which is take out the max on each withdrawal (500k pesos at Davienda) then Compass is the best bet as that comes out to the only fee being the 1% visa fee which is 5k pesos. If you use Wells Fargo then it's a $5 fee and like I said, I don't think I'm being hit that 1% fee. I tracked it for many months.
As for the example you copy and pasted??? Can't vouch for it. Granted I have not experimented with this in the last 4 months. But for the last 4 years this has been my experience.
I was considering getting a Citibank card thinking I would not be charged anything (solely because I really just do not like Compass Bank... for other reasons). However, if I am going to be hit with fees on top of the 1% customary Visa fee, I will not. Based on your post, it sounds like that is the case. Anyone else use Citibank that can fill us in.
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]"CITIBANK Introduces Foreign ATM Fee
Those damned thieving banks are raising there levels of thievery again. The moment I have been dreading has arrived.
Citibank this week introduced a foreign ATM fee of Gs25,000($US5). I was using a VISA card from the US.
I was given a message announcing the charge and an opportunity to cancel, which I did. I then went to an ABM-AMRO and extracted money there. There was no message of a fee, the ATM operated in a normal fashion, so I assume there was none until I can check the account.
It looks like Citibank is leading the pack in robbery. I fear the other banks will follow. Avoidance of ATM fees is becoming an ever bigger issue. If I were to use my Wells FEEgo card(God forbid) to withdraw $US400(an amount still possible here) it would cost me:
Wells FEEgo: Foreign ATM=$5, International Transaction 3%=$12, Total=$17
Visa foreign currency 1%= $4
Citibank foreign ATM= $5
Grand total= $US26 to extract $US400!!! = 6.5%
At a time they are paying <1% per YEAR for checking interest.
And as the banks create greater monopolies, they get harder to avoid. Another classic example of robbing the little people. Thank the corporate imperialists in power"
Is this true in COLOMBIA as well? It must be,, but I was just there last week and it was still 1% at CITIBANK.
Who and what bank are people using to get money out? and at what rate is overall is the "best" for instance 500k pesos at a time?[/QUOTE]
I use CapitalOne for both credit and debit transactions. For the debit transactions, I have a money market account that pays around 5% interest. You can also write 5 checks on that account per month. Neither type of transaction costs anything. There is no 1% foreign transaction fee nor is there a flat fee. The exchange rate approximates the Interbank rate.
The debit card belongs only to the Plus network. So far I have been able to use the card at Bancafe(recently purchased by Davivienda), BBVA, and AV Villas. I have seen other ATMs that advertise the Plus network. Some of those do not accept my card.
Here is a fairly definite source for information related to ATM and Forex Fees:
[url]http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php/Credit/Debit/ATM_Cards_and_Foreign_Exchange[/url]
Anyone tried opening a local bank account and using [url]http://xe.com/fx[/url]
It wouldn't be worth it for a short term stay, but for more than a couple of weeks, it could be a bit of a winner, you'd just withdraw money from your local card rather than your foreign one.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]I use CapitalOne for both credit and debit transactions. For the debit transactions, I have a money market account that pays around 5% interest. You can also write 5 checks on that account per month. Neither type of transaction costs anything. There is no 1% foreign transaction fee nor is there a flat fee. The exchange rate approximates the Interbank rate.
The debit card belongs only to the Plus network. So far I have been able to use the card at Bancafe(recently purchased by Davivienda), BBVA, and AV Villas. I have seen other ATMs that advertise the Plus network. Some of those do not accept my card.[/QUOTE]How Much Money can you take per transaction?
And how much is the max money you can take each day.
Thanks Tom Tom
Glad to know you are back in pussyland.
Kukulkan
[QUOTE=Blunderer]Anyone tried opening a local bank account and using [url]http://xe.com/fx[/url]
It wouldn't be worth it for a short term stay, but for more than a couple of weeks, it could be a bit of a winner, you'd just withdraw money from your local card rather than your foreign one.[/QUOTE]
Don't even think about trying to open a Colombian bank account unless you have a VISA.
ok, So after talking to a CITIBANK supervisor on the phone for a half hour and being clear as day with him, he gave me a list of countries that charge a 1% fee for withdrawing money or some branches will charge ZERO fees. He told me it really depends on the branch. SO not believing anything anybody tells me on the phone, I GO IN TO THE BRANCH and wait in line to speak to a Customer service rep, NOW she seems to concur, that it really depends on the individual branch and she is not aware of ANY CITIBANK % hikes in the near future as well. AND this seem to concur with my bank statement where I have withdrawn MANY pesos at the CITIBANK'S on Ave Poblado for NO CHARGE.. the one at the Blockbuster and the one a little North of Oviedo Mall on the main calle Poblado.. NOW she said for sure the best exchange rate always would 9 out of 10 times be at CITIBANK and she could not confirm IF THE EXCHANGE FEE was built into the transaction, but it didnt seem so since the exchange was right on and pretty good!
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Im thinking about spending next summer in COLOMBIA between MDE and CLO, Is it worth trying to ship my SUV down there? I mean fly to SANTA MARTA or CTG or Baranquilla and pick it up, then drive it from there. Im thinking ALL the $$$ i will be spending on TAXIS and flights or buses will be recouped on the shipping process.. Of course there will be some kind of contract that I will be sending it back upon my departure.. Ive never seen this brought-up here in the forums and if anybody has any link or info, it would be much abliged. Or if its just NOT worth it.. regards!
I have no experience sending a vehicle from the US to Colombia.
However, I shipped an SUV from Miami to Puerto Barrios, Guatemala 2 years ago. I wouldn't do it again.
Clearing U.S. customs is made infinitely more easy by using the services of shipping agent in the U.S. My vehicle was shipped with Seaboard Marine ([url]www.seaboardmarine.com[/url]), which also has routes to Colombia. The actual cost of paying the shipping agent and the shipping company is reasonable. However, in Guatemala i had to pay an exorbitant tax rate before my Chevy cleared customs. If you're going to be in CTG or BAQ anytime soon, i suggest you go to the Seaboard Marine office, make friends with a cute girl that works there, and have her explain the entire process once the vehicle arrives there. That was what I did in Guatemala.
If I ever spend an extended period in Colombia, I'll buy a vehicle there, which will save lots of money and tons of headache.
Hopefully, someone else here will have info on this tax required to bring a foreign vehicle into Colombia.
[QUOTE=Kukulkan]How Much Money can you take per transaction?
And how much is the max money you can take each day.
Thanks Tom Tom
Glad to know you are back in pussyland.
Kukulkan[/QUOTE]
The ATM sets the amount per transaction. However, when there is no cost, the amount per transaction is irrelevant. I can withdraw up to US$500 per day.
Not worth it. Not much of a decision.
Stick with the basics (taxis/buses/planes). If determined to drive, you can rent there at astronomical rates. Combined, however, still would be a small fraction of what you'll pay trying to ship it to Colombia THEN trying to claim it from customs, both ways. Not even close. Then there's the insurance deal.
It's been discussed many times on the non-monger boards.
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Im thinking about spending next summer in COLOMBIA between MDE and CLO, Is it worth trying to ship my SUV down there? I mean fly to SANTA MARTA or CTG or Baranquilla and pick it up, then drive it from there. Im thinking ALL the $$$ i will be spending on TAXIS and flights or buses will be recouped on the shipping process.. Of course there will be some kind of contract that I will be sending it back upon my departure.. Ive never seen this brought-up here in the forums and if anybody has any link or info, it would be much abliged. Or if its just NOT worth it.. regards![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Im thinking about spending next summer in COLOMBIA between MDE and CLO, Is it worth trying to ship my SUV down there? I mean fly to SANTA MARTA or CTG or Baranquilla and pick it up, then drive it from there. Im thinking ALL the $$$ i will be spending on TAXIS and flights or buses will be recouped on the shipping process.. Of course there will be some kind of contract that I will be sending it back upon my departure.. Ive never seen this brought-up here in the forums and if anybody has any link or info, it would be much abliged. Or if its just NOT worth it.. regards![/QUOTE]
Taxis and buses are cheap. Shipping a car is not. And hassling with aduana is a nightmare. The import tax is punishing.
And Colombia is not yet safe enough for you to be driving all over between cities. How much is your ass worth?
However, there is a bill pending in the Colombian legislature that would eliminate the import tax in your situation. When or if the bill will pass is anyone's guess.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Taxis and buses are cheap. Shipping a car is not. And hassling with aduana is a nightmare. The import tax is punishing.
And Colombia is not yet safe enough for you to be driving all over between cities. How much is your ass worth?
However, there is a bill pending in the Colombian legislature that would eliminate the import tax in your situation. When or if the bill will pass is anyone's guess. [/QUOTE]Tom,
Lets not forget that most warrantys are voided when exiting a country. Something to ckeck into gents.
Spider
IMHO you'd have to be crazy to want to drive down there PERIOD. Stick to taxis and public transport.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]The ATM sets the amount per transaction. However, when there is no cost, the amount per transaction is irrelevant. I can withdraw up to US$500 per day.[/QUOTE]Thank's One more time, tom, I gat the same from my bank, I use one time my Mexican Account, ATM, and I get fuck big time, someone, gat the number and password, and they drain about 5 G USD 50, 000. 00 mexican pesos, Thats was 5 years a go, I stick whit the USA Acount, no problem since that F*****G day
Kukulkan
I did get my money back From Banamex
Can anyone provide any info on what countries can Colombians go without a formal Visa, e. G, Panama? By a formal Visa, I mean one that has to be submitted months in advance. I've read that Colombians can go to Panama and purchase something like a tourist visa at the airport. I would like to take my novia on vacation to some nice resort area, or maybe on a cruise. She already has her passport. Thanks for any info.
Can anyone help me with a basic issue?
I've always hated cell phones, I still hate cell phones and I always will hate cell phones.
As a pragmatist, however, I finally admit and recognize that a cell phone is nearly a necessity in Colombia.
Amazon.com now offers unlocked cell phones with a 90-day warranty. I want to buy an unlocked cell phone for usage in Colombia.
What type of unlocked cell phone should I buy for usage in Colombia?
What GSM frequency is used in Colombia?
[QUOTE=Ohio Monger]Can anyone provide any info on what countries can Colombians go without a formal Visa, e. G, Panama? By a formal Visa, I mean one that has to be submitted months in advance. I've read that Colombians can go to Panama and purchase something like a tourist visa at the airport. I would like to take my novia on vacation to some nice resort area, or maybe on a cruise. She already has her passport. Thanks for any info.[/QUOTE]
Go to San Andreas Island. It is just off the coast of Nicaragua, but it is part of Colombia.
Colombians do not need a Visa to go to Brazil, only certain innoculations required if you have been in Colombia recently. Avianca has flights, use your ff miles and it is nice to have a openminded girlfriend in Brazil. I do not believe that Argentina, Peru or most of the South American countries require a Visa. Barbados also does not require one. Unless you are a diver not a lot to do in San Andres, imho.
Thanks LocoGringo and Tom,
I have a timeshare that I exchange to go to various places. I used it to take my novia and her kids to Santa Marta this past summer. (Yes, I had fun w/ her even w/ the kids along.) I plan to use to to try and go to San Andreas, Cartegena, Panama, and maybe some of these other places.
[QUOTE=LocoGringo]Colombians do not need a Visa to go to Brazil, only certain innoculations required if you have been in Colombia recently. Avianca has flights, use your ff miles and it is nice to have a openminded girlfriend in Brazil. I do not believe that Argentina, Peru or most of the South American countries require a Visa. Barbados also does not require one. Unless you are a diver not a lot to do in San Andres, imho.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ted Nugent]Can anyone help me with a basic issue?
I've always hated cell phones, I still hate cell phones and I always will hate cell phones.
As a pragmatist, however, I finally admit and recognize that a cell phone is nearly a necessity in Colombia.
Amazon.com now offers unlocked cell phones with a 90-day warranty. I want to buy an unlocked cell phone for usage in Colombia.
What type of unlocked cell phone should I buy for usage in Colombia?
What GSM frequency is used in Colombia?[/QUOTE]
Just buy the phone in Colombia.
All you need is to bring a passport and make one photocopy of it for them to keep. Go to any shopping mall, choose a phone and get it activated on the spot. $50 will get you a good brand, low end phone, complete with a phone number and some call credit.
Even if you brought the phone with you, you'd have to go through this same process to get a local Colombian phone number.
[QUOTE=Ted Nugent]Can anyone help me with a basic issue?
I've always hated cell phones, I still hate cell phones and I always will hate cell phones.
As a pragmatist, however, I finally admit and recognize that a cell phone is nearly a necessity in Colombia.
Amazon.com now offers unlocked cell phones with a 90-day warranty. I want to buy an unlocked cell phone for usage in Colombia.
What type of unlocked cell phone should I buy for usage in Colombia?
What GSM frequency is used in Colombia?[/QUOTE]
Get a quad band and you will have no trouble with frequencies.
Get a quad band phone, as you'll be able to use it whereever GSM is available, including AT&T/TMobil in the US. I got a quad band Moto Razr V3 from Amazon.com also, and it works fine. My novia helped me get a SIM card. The Motorola website also sells unlocked phones, for a little more. You want want to consider buying it from them as you'll have the Motorola OEM warranty. Also my phone was set to some weird oriental language and I would have had trouble setting it to English. My novia asked the sales person who sold me a SIM card to help. She opened up a similar brand new phone and by comparing the menu commands side by side was able to switch it to English. With my limited espanol, I would have had trouble explaining/asking for this kind of help.
Buena suerte
[QUOTE=Ted Nugent]Can anyone help me with a basic issue?
I've always hated cell phones, I still hate cell phones and I always will hate cell phones.
As a pragmatist, however, I finally admit and recognize that a cell phone is nearly a necessity in Colombia.
Amazon.com now offers unlocked cell phones with a 90-day warranty. I want to buy an unlocked cell phone for usage in Colombia.
What type of unlocked cell phone should I buy for usage in Colombia?
What GSM frequency is used in Colombia?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ted Nugent]Amazon.com now offers unlocked cell phones with a 90-day warranty. I want to buy an unlocked cell phone for usage in Colombia.
What type of unlocked cell phone should I buy for usage in Colombia?
What GSM frequency is used in Colombia?[/QUOTE]You can also shop around for unlocked cell phones on eBay. Colombia uses the same GSM frequencies as the U.S. so almost any modern GSM phone that works in the states should work down there as long as it's unlocked. But follow kdogg's advise, a quad-phone is usable pretty much anywhere, including the EU and Asia.
I hate cell phones too. . . the phones may be relatively cheap there, but calls are expensive especially Comcel which has the best coverage (at least in Medellin, could be different in other cities). So yes, get a cheap cell phone, but also use the street vendors where the prices are 200 to 300 pesos a minute. Those are the cheapest rates that I've seen out there. Calling from your cell will be significantly more than that, especially with Comcel.
By the way, I still use my Skype account whenever I can even IN Colombia because the highest rate I've been charged is 10 cents a minute (about 200 pesos) for cell phones. So try to make as many cellular calls as you can from your laptop when you're still in your apartment, or from the street vendors. If your apt. has a land-line, you can make local calls of course to other land lines but it's not common to be able to call cell phones from a land line, just too expensive for most Colombians, that's why I say just use Skype in your apartment for calling cell phones. You can make any type of call if you're staying in a nice hotel but you will pay premium for that.
I'd advise NOT to bring an expensive phone, I lost my Motorola SLVR L2 partying late one night with my buddies, which I got for around $75 on eBay. At least it wasn't my $300 Nokia smartphone but it still was an ouch. As much as Colombians love their fancy cell phones, it's just not worth the potential grief and cost for foreign visitors to bring a top-of-the-line cell, you're going to end up worried half the time about losing it or having it stolen. There are other ways to impress your colombiana date. ;)
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Im thinking about spending next summer in COLOMBIA between MDE and CLO, Is it worth trying to ship my SUV down there? I mean fly to SANTA MARTA or CTG or Baranquilla and pick it up, then drive it from there. Im thinking ALL the $$$ i will be spending on TAXIS and flights or buses will be recouped on the shipping process.. Of course there will be some kind of contract that I will be sending it back upon my departure.. Ive never seen this brought-up here in the forums and if anybody has any link or info, it would be much obliged. Or if its just NOT worth it.. regards![/QUOTE]Don't mean to rag on you but weren't you boasting about a 3 pop TLN for 90K pesos? But now you're willing to spend 9 million pesos (or more!) to bring an SUV to Colombia?? It's funny how some guys will haggle with a puta for 10K pesos (pride and ego thing I guess) but the wallet is wide open for other stuff. :) I think the import duty/tax for cars is 20 or 30 percent so that alone is crazy not to mention the cost of transporting it and dealing with the locals involved in the whole process. Yuck, not my idea of a fun vacation. If you want to blow millions of pesos, better off using a private driver all the time or just fly between the cities.
You live in Miami right? If you've flown on Avianca and have a freq. flyer account with them, you should have enough miles for a free internal flight or two. I have 30K plus miles on Avianca and if I had an extended stay, I'd definitely use them up to get me around.
Also, as someone mentioned already, the roads between the cities can be pretty iffy in some spots. Why risk damaging your car on unfamiliar roads? And let's not forget the crazy local drivers whether camionetas or cochecitos. Ever went with a group of friends out to a finca for the weekend? I can't imagine driving those roads myself, too stressful, I'd gladly take the bus which is far far cheaper. Who wants hassles when they're on vacation?
Finally, you mentioned once you're part Asian. An Asian looking guy driving an SUV on rural roads from Cali to Medellin?? That ain't low profile. I know Colombia isn't as dangerous as it used to be, but I'd say it's still the smart thing to do to keep a low profile, especially if you plan on staying for a couple of months.
[QUOTE=Phunluv]Don't mean to rag on you but weren't you boasting about a 3 pop TLN for 90K pesos? But now you're willing to spend 9 million pesos (or more!) to bring an SUV to Colombia?? It's funny how some guys will haggle with a puta for 10K pesos (pride and ego thing I guess) but the wallet is wide open for other stuff. :) I think the import duty/tax for cars is 20 or 30 percent so that alone is crazy not to mention the cost of transporting it and dealing with the locals involved in the whole process. Yuck, not my idea of a fun vacation. If you want to blow millions of pesos, better off using a private driver all the time or just fly between the cities.
You live in Miami right? If you've flown on Avianca and have a freq. flyer account with them, you should have enough miles for a free internal flight or two. I have 30K plus miles on Avianca and if I had an extended stay, I'd definitely use them up to get me around.
Also, as someone mentioned already, the roads between the cities can be pretty iffy in some spots. Why risk damaging your car on unfamiliar roads? And let's not forget the crazy local drivers whether camionetas or cochecitos. Ever went with a group of friends out to a finca for the weekend? I can't imagine driving those roads myself, too stressful, I'd gladly take the bus which is far far cheaper. Who wants hassles when they're on vacation?
Finally, you mentioned once you're part Asian. An Asian looking guy driving an SUV on rural roads from Cali to Medellin?? That ain't low profile. I know Colombia isn't as dangerous as it used to be, but I'd say it's still the smart thing to do to keep a low profile, especially if you plan on staying for a couple of months.[/QUOTE]
How can you "rag" on me? I dont even know you! I try not to take any information shared here personally. How you can let some words written about you(sometimes condecending) in a sex-forum bother you is beyond me. First of all, the bringing my car down, it was just a question, and I dont know if other people have done it or if its feasable monetarily wise. I dont know or didnt know if it would be 9mil pesos if thats what you say it is plus shipping. People told me hear that its not worth it so most likely I will shun it. I have driven all over Peru and have been to Colombia long enough and enough times where I was ready to give it a shot. 2nd 80 TLN should be comon ground, Not a boast. lol, funny I dont remember a "gloating" tone in that post, just stating the facts. p.s I fly A.A. because of the miles I get using my A.A. business credit card. lol
[QUOTE=Phunluv] ...
I hate cell phones too. . . the phones may be relatively cheap there, but calls are expensive especially Comcel which has the best coverage (at least in Medellin, could be different in other cities). So yes, get a cheap cell phone, but also use the street vendors where the prices are 200 to 300 pesos a minute. Those are the cheapest rates that I've seen out there. Calling from your cell will be significantly more than that, especially with Comcel ...
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I'm not sure what the hatred of cel phones is all about ... but ...
I personally love the cel phone. You're right, the useage rates can be high, big deal, just don't chat away.
I'm saying the obvious here, but the cel is great for storing chicas numbers and info, taxistas, etc, etc.
Like you say, use the street vendor phones to make your calls when able, but have your cel to store your info and have as a backup.
I actually have 2 colombian cels. One I keep as a backup to store important numbers just in case the other gets lost / stolen.
Make sure you're good at putting the cel on silent mode though. Don't want to have your cel ringing away when you're with another chica :)
One of the first things I get for a new guy I bring to Colombia is a cel phone ... almost essential if you're into meeting and going out with various chicas.
Take care amigos :)
Gents,
I hope someone can assist:
A friend of mine has a container full of furniture that he wants to bring to Medellin. He has been told of a few places that supposedly can do it. However, he has some reserves about who to go with.
So the question is: Has anyone (or anyone you know) actually had a container shipped to Colombia successfully and with little to no problem? If so can you post something here or pass along a contact number or email to my friend to get some general info as to who was used and how they did. Or you can e-mail me at [email]cuba_nut@yahoo.com[/email]
Thanks,
Cubanut
[QUOTE=Cubanut]Gents,
I hope someone can assist:
A friend of mine has a container full of furniture that he wants to bring to Medellin. He has been told of a few places that supposedly can do it. However, he has some reserves about who to go with.
So the question is: Has anyone (or anyone you know) actually had a container shipped to Colombia successfully and with little to no problem? If so can you post something here or pass along a contact number or email to my friend to get some general info as to who was used and how they did. Or you can e-mail me at [email]cuba_nut@yahoo.com[/email]
Thanks,
Cubanut[/QUOTE]
This place was given to me by ACUERPADO! [url]www.seaboardmarine.com[/url]
[quote=ricker]i'm not sure what the hatred of cel phones is all about ... but ...
i personally love the cel phone. you're right, the useage rates can be high, big deal, just don't chat away.
i'm saying the obvious here, but the cel is great for storing chicas numbers and info, taxistas, etc, etc.
like you say, use the street vendor phones to make your calls when able, but have your cel to store your info and have as a backup.
i actually have 2 colombian cels. one i keep as a backup to store important numbers just in case the other gets lost / stolen.
make sure you're good at putting the cel on silent mode though. don't want to have your cel ringing away when you're with another chica :)
one of the first things i get for a new guy i bring to colombia is a cel phone ... almost essential if you're into meeting and going out with various chicas.
take care amigos :)[/quote]i agree with you 110% about the importance of cell phones. maybe hate is too strong a word, i'm just not a chit-chat type of person so i've never really cared for cell phones. it's just one more thing to carry and keep track of which i find annoying sometimes, i like a simple life. :)
notice how you rarely see colombianos blab away on their cell phones unlike the states. many chicas want that flashy motorola razr, but they'll rarely call you on it, just "timbrar" ha! even high-estrata colombianos, they love to sport their flashy phones, but when it comes to having minutes, well that's a different story. ;)
just a pet peeve of mine, imho the cell phone business is a racket in that country. everything else in colombia is so affordable like food, taxis, and chicas. it's just crazy to me that hiring a taxista for an hour costs far far less than 60 min on a cell. at least that's the way i look at it! people don't want to overpay the chicas. . . i say yes to that of course but i don't want to make the cell phone companies rich either, you can easily blow a lot of money in minutes because all these chicas expect you to call them, they will usually only "timbrar" you.
yes, do bring a backup phone and do know your silent mode. i also keep all important #s and contacts online and on my laptop, not to mention a hard copy.
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]First of all, the bringing my car down, it was just a question, and I dont know if other people have done it or if its feasable monetarily wise. I dont know or didnt know if it would be 9mil pesos if thats what you say it is plus shipping. People told me hear that its not worth it so most likely I will shun it.[/QUOTE]I figure your SUV would be valued at least 20K USD so that's $4000 in import taxes given a 20% rate but it could be way higher, say 30%, I honestly don't remember. That's where I got the 9 million COP estimate. But it could be even way higher than that which is just crazy. Just think of all the 80-100K COP TLNs you could get for that kind of money!! ;) As for the other stuff, it just seemed amusing the juxtaposition of a 90K COP TLN and the $money$ (and hassle!) involved in importing a car, that's why I posted, no offense intended.
i hope nobody in admin minds, but this would be an appropriate place to plug the discussion forum at [url]www.colombianblog.com[/url] ... i mod the "moving to colombia" section there and am very proud of it, it's an excellent resource.
my personal take as somebody who is just some months away from moving to colombia more or less permanently--- take as little with you as possible, there is almost nothing in colombia that you can't buy at the same price or cheaper than the us. at any rate, twice moved = once burnt down in the best of circumstances. and colombian customs is a ***** from hell on wheels and steroids, horror stories abound about people getting shit permanently confirep001ed and auctioned off.
as for shipping a new or even fairly new suv
-it won't fit in practically any colombian parking space and won't even fit on some roads
-it will get trashed all to hell within a year if you use it for going back and forth from the coast
-there's a possibility that it may be stolen
-unless you are used to driving in a place like colombia you also have an elevated risk of getting into an accident
-you will not save money over other methods of transportation. gas is expensive in colombia and so are tolls etc. for many destinations, unless you are filling your car up with people and getting everybody to split the costs (fat fucking chance of that), you can wind up paying more to get there by car than you would getting a ticket on a top of the line bus to the same destination, this not taking into account wear and tear or any other of the above points.
Thanks to all those who helped regarding cell phones in Colombia. Based on the input, I guess I'll buy an unlocked black Motorola RAZR in the U. S. And buy a SIM card in Colombia. Thanks, Cachorro, for the tip about the passport and photocopy. You saved me a runaround.
Ricker, I realized a long time ago that people (especially Colombians) don't understand why I hate cell phones. For example, let's say I go to a popular American sports bar. When I go to a sports bar, I go to watch sports or to talk to the people I'm with (or both). I guess I'm weird because everybody else in the bar isn't watching sports or talking to the people that they are with. It seems like everyone is having separate inane conversations on their individual cell phones with people that aren't there. To me, that's absurd.
Start listening to the ubiquitous cell phone conversations of Americans that take place around you all day, everyday. What percentage of those conversations are intelligent or constructive?
In Colombia, the situation is even more absurd. You see Colombians with the latest and greatest cell phones, but they don't have 20K pesos in the bank. They don't even have money for usage of their cell phones. It seems like their priorities are a little screwed up.
Image is everything in Colombia.
And it's not just cell phones. Has anybody noticed the "Old Parr" craze in Colombia? I'm not a scotch drinker, but I doubt that that Old Parr is a good brand of scotch. Any scotch drinkers here? Colombians are adamant that Old Parr is the apex of the liquor universe. Of course, they erroneously call it whiskey instead of scotch. Don't bother trying to inform them that Chivas is a better brand of scotch. And trying to explain that you prefer rum (or vodka or gin) is wasted effort. If you don't buy a bottle of Old Parr, then Colombians assume you must be destitute. Despite the fact that you've been partying every night in Colombia for months.
At any rate, I admit defeat. I am a pragmatist. I am officially laying down my sword, and I am going to become a superficial slave to fashion like most Colombians. I am going to buy an unlocked black Motorola RAZR for usage in Colombia. I am tired of explaining to Colombians that I am not destitute because I dislike cell phones. Which ought to be obvious due to the length of my stays in Colombia and my choice of hotels, but Colombian analytical abilities are often lacking. In fact, phone calls to cell phones from my hotel room are far more costly than buying a cell phone and using a cell phone.
Sorry for the rant, and thanks again to those who helped.
[QUOTE=Ted Nugent] ... Ricker, I realized a long time ago that people (especially Colombians) don't understand why I hate cell phones. For example, let's say I go to a popular American sports bar. When I go to a sports bar, I go to watch sports or to talk to the people I'm with (or both). I guess I'm weird because everybody else in the bar isn't watching sports or talking to the people that they are with. It seems like everyone is having separate inane conversations on their individual cell phones with people that aren't there. To me, that's absurd.
Start listening to the ubiquitous cell phone conversations of Americans that take place around you all day, everyday. What percentage of those conversations are intelligent or constructive?
In Colombia, the situation is even more absurd. You see Colombians with the latest and greatest cell phones, but they don't have 20K pesos in the bank. They don't even have money for usage of their cell phones. It seems like their priorities are a little screwed up.
Image is everything in Colombia ...
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Like I said before, for me having a cel phone is essential. I don't carry one for image, I carry one because it's a great tool to have.
However, you are sooooo right on about some people who just have to be talking on their phones ... everywhere. And why do they have to talk so loud? Like we all want to hear their conversation.
It's not the cel phone that's ridiculous, it's the dummy that's using it :)
[QUOTE=Ted Nugent]Thanks to all those who helped regarding cell phones in Colombia. Based on the input, I guess I'll buy an unlocked black Motorola RAZR in the U. S. And buy a SIM card in Colombia. Thanks, Cachorro, for the tip about the passport and photocopy. You saved me a runaround.
Ricker, I realized a long time ago that people (especially Colombians) don't understand why I hate cell phones. For example, let's say I go to a popular American sports bar. When I go to a sports bar, I go to watch sports or to talk to the people I'm with (or both). I guess I'm weird because everybody else in the bar isn't watching sports or talking to the people that they are with. It seems like everyone is having separate inane conversations on their individual cell phones with people that aren't there. To me, that's absurd.
Start listening to the ubiquitous cell phone conversations of Americans that take place around you all day, everyday. What percentage of those conversations are intelligent or constructive?
In Colombia, the situation is even more absurd. You see Colombians with the latest and greatest cell phones, but they don't have 20K pesos in the bank. They don't even have money for usage of their cell phones. It seems like their priorities are a little screwed up.
Image is everything in Colombia.
And it's not just cell phones. Has anybody noticed the "Old Parr" craze in Colombia? I'm not a scotch drinker, but I doubt that that Old Parr is a good brand of scotch. Any scotch drinkers here? Colombians are adamant that Old Parr is the apex of the liquor universe. Of course, they erroneously call it whiskey instead of scotch. Don't bother trying to inform them that Chivas is a better brand of scotch. And trying to explain that you prefer rum (or vodka or gin) is wasted effort. If you don't buy a bottle of Old Parr, then Colombians assume you must be destitute. Despite the fact that you've been partying every night in Colombia for months.
At any rate, I admit defeat. I am a pragmatist. I am officially laying down my sword, and I am going to become a superficial slave to fashion like most Colombians. I am going to buy an unlocked black Motorola RAZR for usage in Colombia. I am tired of explaining to Colombians that I am not destitute because I dislike cell phones. Which ought to be obvious due to the length of my stays in Colombia and my choice of hotels, but Colombian analytical abilities are often lacking. In fact, phone calls to cell phones from my hotel room are far more costly than buying a cell phone and using a cell phone.
Sorry for the rant, and thanks again to those who helped.[/QUOTE]
Everything you said is 100% true and full of irony, especially the part about wanting/having the RAZR and not having lets say 5mil in their pocket and the old parr craze is in full effect! ALSO if you notice EVERYTHING in Colombia is LABELS,, even though 99% is fake bullshit from el centro they dont know the difference between a $100 button down Banana Republic shirt and 10mil copia armani exchange made in china tee.. oh the Irony! he he lol
Oh guys for fucks sake don't turn this into a thread slagging Colombia.
Point of FACT, this is a monger board, people on it are not generally going to get a good appreciation of the Colombian mindset by hanging around 18 year old grillas.
People all over the Earth act like that, Colombia hardly has a handle on it or is ANY worse than any other place on in the planet. NYC's providers are just as bad for having the latest cellphone and can't afford the minutes, constantly changing numbers because they can't pay the bill etc.
Anybody who thinks Colombia is worse than the US in terms of people knowing to manage their money is totally fucking ignorant about the US!!!
And I don't know a single Colombian who would touch Old Parr. Once again, statements like that just indicate what kind of company you are keeping. When we go out in Bogota, i flat out refuse to order imported liquor, and not once has anybody complained. We always go for a bottle of Caldas or Cristal.
Found something both stupid and amusing at the same time!
[url]http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Colombian_Women[/url]
Does anyone know the going price in MDE? Can anyone recommend a pharmacy in Laureles?
[QUOTE=Negrofino]Does anyone know the going price in MDE? Can anyone recommend a pharmacy in Laureles?[/QUOTE]
Its expensive in COLOMBIA AND NO GENERIC, about 25k a pill but cheaper if you buy 4 at a time! Like 22k for 4, go to EXITO, best prices!
Where could I buy Viagra or Cialis easily in Bogota? Any pharmacy recommendations? Can I just go to a pharmacy and ask for it?
[QUOTE=Ironicwry]Where could I buy Viagra or Cialis easily in Bogota? Any pharmacy recommendations? Can I just go to a pharmacy and ask for it?[/QUOTE]
Any of the majors like Colsubsido or Citi farmacia (?) are best as you know you're getting the real thing.
I have been watching the board for a long time and I just wonder why there are so many people from other countries preying on newbies. I have been there 2 times but I have been to a lot of other places like Thailand Honduras Philippines and I live in Mexico. The funny thing is Here In Tijuana a lot of guy spend 40 or more to stay near the zona norte but If they drove about 7 mile to the playas of TJ they would pay only 25 dollars for a nice room and safe. So I am wondering why so many guys are paying 80 dollars for a room that in a 3 world country should be a lot cheaper. From what I hear the VIP and the Mansion are very well know though out the city of Medellin with normal woman that they will not even think of going there as I was chatting online with a woman who knew where it was and said to me it was full of putas. So if you are looking for good sex I am sure the non-pro way is the way to go.
I am not flaming the VIP and THE Mansion but there must be places other than there to go if you speak spanish. So I just why does no one just stay in the pension homes? They start at 30 dollars and some are very quiet also. Like the Kiwi and the black sheep has a other house for older guys for me.
Thanks a lot guys If you are looking for putas the by all means I think that the VIP and Mansion are the best for you but we should all just go hunting for woman differently thus keeping the price down.
TOM
[QUOTE=Optic Guard]I have been watching the board for a long time and I just wonder why there are so many people from other countries preying on newbies. I have been there 2 times but I have been to a lot of other places like Thailand Honduras Philippines and I live in Mexico. The funny thing is Here In Tijuana a lot of guy spend 40 or more to stay near the zona norte but If they drove about 7 mile to the playas of TJ they would pay only 25 dollars for a nice room and safe. So I am wondering why so many guys are paying 80 dollars for a room that in a 3 world country should be a lot cheaper. From what I hear the VIP and the Mansion are very well know though out the city of Medellin with normal woman that they will not even think of going there as I was chatting online with a woman who knew where it was and said to me it was full of putas. So if you are looking for good sex I am sure the non-pro way is the way to go.
I am not flaming the VIP and THE Mansion but there must be places other than there to go if you speak spanish. So I just why does no one just stay in the pension homes? They start at 30 dollars and some are very quiet also. Like the Kiwi and the black sheep has a other house for older guys for me.
Thanks a lot guys If you are looking for putas the by all means I think that the VIP and Mansion are the best for you but we should all just go hunting for woman differently thus keeping the price down.
TOM[/QUOTE]
TOM,
you should read the brasil or argentina section for awhile.....if you see what some guys are paying I wonder why most mongers NOT stay in the US at the first place!!!!LOL They realy are ruining the market. 150 USD an hour for a pussy??? in many countries thats a FULL mONTHLY wages!!!
Some guys do not speak spanish.....and are NOT used to haggle over prices.
They THINK that when they order an exspenvive escort hooki for 150 USD in BA or RIO (or whatever SA city)they get good service...well WRONG THINKING!!!;-) Sometimes a 10 dollar streethookie is way better in the sack....;-)
stick arround a while and you see what i mean. I stopped wondering myself a long time ago why somebody would call a 100 dollar hotelroom "cheap"...becoz i think it's NOT. Well anyways.....a lot of showoffs too...LOL
cheers
Johan
2 interesting articles this week on Colombia. Both could turn out to be devastating news for Colombia in the long run. Though I anticipate the actual occurence of these will tank the peso against the dollar (I.e. we'll get more bang for our buck) in the coming years (no trade agreement with Colombia and a Chavez puppet potentially becoming Colombia's leader), both articles have to be viewed as bad news for the long-term safety of us gringos that love Colombia so much.
Geez, could you imagine if the Farc loving Chavez actually could pull off "buying" the vote thus having one of his puppets winning the Colombian presidential election. This articles states that it is not so far fetched to believe he could do so?
[url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071111/COMMENTARY/111110009[/url]
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071109/pl_nm/colombia_trade_dc_1;_ylt=ApY3yhpdoWloqmYbPt.poNOwv7kA[/url]
What a crock of shit. I don't think I've ever seen a more blatant and disgusting example of yellow journalism.
Compared to some of the retards who fill Congress, much less the Cabinet etc etc.. this is ONE guy who ran on a bunch of promises he will never be able to keep, and moreover his more idiotic ideas are sure to be kept in check by a still very powerful city council totally opposed to them. Not to mention he is OUT OUT OUT in 3 years time come what may. Much like that ******* Uribe is held in check by the Constitutional Court and the Congress down there, so some of his more moronic ideas never see the light of day.
Besides which, the incumbent mayor was from the SAME left of center party as this new guy is and Bogota hasn't gone to the dogs as of late. In fact it's doing better than ever!
Not to mention that there is not a SHRED of evidence that anybody in the Polo is pro-FARC and/or supports them in any way. That is akin to saying Hitler and Stalin were actually in league with each other all through WWII simply because they were both socialists. :P
I'm not happy this guy got in, nor is anybody I know in Bogota, but this too shall pass just like it does in any other democracy. He was duly elected and gets to serve his term, and that's it. Anything else would REALLY be cause for concern.
I love how the US media uniformly attacks anything that happens DEMOCRATICALLY in any other country if it doesn't fall exactly 100% in line with US interests. Fucking morons!
As for the free trade agreement, read it in its entirety, it's up on the web somewhere IIRC, THEN get back to me. If you're hoping for the Colombian economy to be gutted and the middle class to absolutely disappear down there, then the best way for that to happen is if that shit gets signed!
I too thought the article was a little over the top and I wanted to see others opinions. Especially yours since I know that you are there and would know a bit about the political arena especially in Bogota.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]What a crock of shit. I don't think I've ever seen a more blatant and disgusting example of yellow journalism.
Compared to some of the retards who fill Congress, much less the Cabinet etc etc.. this is ONE guy who ran on a bunch of promises he will never be able to keep, and moreover his more idiotic ideas are sure to be kept in check by a still very powerful city council totally opposed to them. Not to mention he is OUT OUT OUT in 3 years time come what may. Much like that ******* Uribe is held in check by the Constitutional Court and the Congress down there, so some of his more moronic ideas never see the light of day.
Besides which, the incumbent mayor was from the SAME left of center party as this new guy is and Bogota hasn't gone to the dogs as of late. In fact it's doing better than ever!
Not to mention that there is not a SHRED of evidence that anybody in the Polo is pro-FARC and/or supports them in any way. That is akin to saying Hitler and Stalin were actually in league with each other all through WWII simply because they were both socialists. :P
I'm not happy this guy got in, nor is anybody I know in Bogota, but this too shall pass just like it does in any other democracy. He was duly elected and gets to serve his term, and that's it. Anything else would REALLY be cause for concern.
I love how the US media uniformly attacks anything that happens DEMOCRATICALLY in any other country if it doesn't fall exactly 100% in line with US interests. Fucking morons!
As for the free trade agreement, read it in its entirety, it's up on the web somewhere IIRC, THEN get back to me. If you're hoping for the Colombian economy to be gutted and the middle class to absolutely disappear down there, then the best way for that to happen is if that shit gets signed![/QUOTE]
Looking for information in obtaining a work visa for Colombia. O understand that to obtain one that you need a letter from the hiring company. Any suggestions on obtaining one without the letter or finding a company (any company) to help me with this?
Thanx
Can anyone help me in regards to obtaining a work visa? Is it possible to get one without having a company writing a letter of hire or are there any companies that I could contact?
its in the 1900's now,,, and just in time for my trip tomorrow, lol Cant win! he he lol
Questions for Columbia--
Are you reqiuerd to get a visa to visit columbia from the u. S?
What are the current rates for the pros of columbia?
All inclusive places there anywhere in columbia?
For 1 week 10 girls how much you think for all included?
Thanks in advance
[QUOTE=NYCmat]Questions for Columbia--
Are you reqiuerd to get a visa to visit columbia from the u. S?
What are the current rates for the pros of columbia?
All inclusive places there anywhere in columbia?
For 1 week 10 girls how much you think for all included?
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]Not trying to pick on you bro, but I would advise spending some time reading this forum and Im sure you will get the answers to your questions.
For now:
It's C O L O M B I A, not c o l u m b i a
No visa requirement like Brazil
All inclusive places? Define all inclusive
Prices can range form 20K COP ($10USD) short term with a street chica to
350K with a gorgeous prepago. Get what I mean now!
Respectfully,
Rainman3
No problem rainman3, would love to but I am in the middle of planning a trip to honduras and I thought someone could just help me out with some info from here. Have no time right now. My friend and I werer talking about columbia and coasta rica for our next trip thats all. Sorry about the miss typo. All inclusive I mean a nice resort that allows you to bring in girls, is safe so we are not kidnapped or anything like that, and anything we need we can have there. That is what I mean. My friend told me bad things about kidnapping etc over there and I do not want that to happen. What are the going rates of the girls in comparrison to U. S. Money? I know the dollar has lost some. Thats ok. Just wondering.
Thanks
Nyc
[QUOTE=Rainman3]Not trying to pick on you bro, but I would advise spending some time reading this forum and Im sure you will get the answers to your questions.
For now:
It's C O L O M B I A, not c o l u m b i a
No visa requirement like Brazil
All inclusive places? Define all inclusive
Prices can range form 20K COP ($10USD) short term with a street chica to
350K with a gorgeous prepago. Get what I mean now!
Respectfully,
Rainman3[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NYCmat]No problem rainman3, would love to but I am in the middle of planning a trip to honduras and I thought someone could just help me out with some info from here. Have no time right now. My friend and I werer talking about columbia and coasta rica for our next trip thats all. Sorry about the miss typo. All inclusive I mean a nice resort that allows you to bring in girls, is safe so we are not kidnapped or anything like that, and anything we need we can have there. That is what I mean. My friend told me bad things about kidnapping etc over there and I do not want that to happen. What are the going rates of the girls in comparrison to U. S. Money? I know the dollar has lost some. Thats ok. Just wondering.
Thanks
Nyc[/QUOTE]You don't bring girls in to all-inclusive places. You can bring a girl. If you want girls, do not go to an all-inclusive.
Try going to the tourist zone in Cartagena. The entire area is quite safe. A newbie should look at paying US$50 to $75 for an hour or two.
Somebody asked in another thread about how to get involved with the "prepago" networks in Colombia. It seems that an entire thread dedicated to prepagos might be useful due to their increasing popularity in Colombia and their initial complexity for inexperienced gringos. I'll let the moderators make that decision because it is their prerogative.
Without such a thread, this thread seems like the best place to discuss prepagos. Here are some generalizations about the prepago networks, but please keep in mind that the networks are always a little different in each specific city.
Join social networking sites before your trip. The usual sites are Amigos.com, CyberCupido.com, Hi5.com, LatinAmericanCupid.com, Match.com and sexyono.com. I hope other guys can recommend some other sites to add to this list. There is no shortage of prepagos on such sites. Pay special attention to young women that are involved with certain occupations. The most reliable occupations are related to beauty, entertainment, fashion and publicity.
Subtly seek out and meet Colombians of all kind in the airport and on the airplane. Generally, Colombians are very friendly and eager to talk to Americans that are not arrogant. It is an error to limit your conversations to young female Colombians. The airport and airplane are full of affluent Colombians. Middle-aged Colombian men love to impress American men with their knowledge of Colombian women in general and prepagos in particular after some conversation and a couple of drinks. Middle-aged Colombian women love to play cupid if you are seeking a novia.
Stay at a luxury hotel. Talk to the bellmen and taxi drivers, but do not befriend them. Be respectful, but do not become "too friendly" with them. Greet them and talk to them, but do not socialize with them outside the hotel. Ask them about prepagos. Keep in mind that Colombians gossip more than you can imagine. If you ask about prepagos, employees of the hotel will know. If you have a novia, employees of the hotel will tell her about your activities. Never date any female employees of the hotel. Always have women call you on your cell phone instead of through the hotel front desk. Always send women home in a taxi from a taxi service that you called from your room instead of the taxi service associated with your hotel. This is not paranoia. These are lessons I learned the hard way. Beware of gossip.
Subtly begin conversations with Colombians guests of all kinds in the lobby, at the pool, etc. The reasoning is the same as previously discussed regarding airports/airplanes.
All universities have prepagos, but some universities are particularly known to be epicenters of prepagos. Usually the best university for prepagos will be a private university where the middle class girls need to compete with the upper class girls.
Meet people employed or enrolled at modeling agencies, publicity agencies, cosmetology schools, beauty salons, etc. Introduce yourself to the young women promoting products at supermarkets, malls, etc. Such occupations are a very target-rich environment.
Certain dance clubs and bars will have prepagos. The dance clubs and bars that are most popular with foreigners will have the greatest number of prepagos. Ask a male server or bartender for assistance. Treat servers/bartenders like I recommended treating bellmen/taxistas.
Join a marriage agency after arrival. Never join any marriage agency prior to arrival in Colombia. Never buy a "lifetime" membership or any other membership. Negotiate a price per individual introduction, and only pay that price after each introduction has been made. Never pay "sticker price. " The agencies are loaded with prepagos.
Check the classified ads of the primary newspaper of the city. There will be ads for prepagos. The ads are located differently in each city.
Go to *****houses and strip clubs. Treat the women respectfully and they will introduce you to friends that are prepagos.
In fact, the best way to meet new prepagos is by introduction through prepagos that you already know.
As always, please respect your Gringo brethren. Do not pay inflated prices or otherwise support the "dual-pricing" structure that plagues us all.
I know that other guys here must have innovative suggestions of their own so I'll let them take over now.
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[QUOTE=Evel Knievel]In fact, the best way to meet new prepagos is by introduction through prepagos that you already know.
As always, please respect your Gringo brethren. Do not pay inflated prices or otherwise support the "dual-pricing" structure that plagues us all.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your post. Some of the problems you have listed, I don't have to worry because I do not have a novia. Do you consider girls that frequent the Medellin Mansion, prepagos? I am not the type of guy that think I will pay a higher amount just to 'take a girl away from another guy' I like to pay a fair price so what is fair in Medellin? The dual-pricing structure you are hinting to is one price for gringos and one of natives, right?
Evel, great prepago writeup.
A prepago is the Colombian word for semi-pro. It's a regular girl who part-times as an escort.
Prepago is often used incorrectly on the ISG forum. Someone just referred to Elektra as a good place to pick up prepagos. The girls in Elektra are prostitutes, not prepagos. Pros, not semi-pros.
A large part of the Medellin Mansion, VIP girl lineup would be prepagos.
To Evel's suggestions, I will add:
Who knows prepagos? Young playboy rich kids. Guys who work in modelling. Guys who are active socially.
You can hit up taxi drivers and sometimes they can help. Increase your hit ratio by only asking drivers who are fast talker / hustler type guys, young and don't have a rosary hanging from the rear vision mirror of the taxi.
Taxi drivers who mainly work in tourism and with gringos should all have prepagos. There are plenty of phone numbers on the forum.
I'm going to Barranquilla to visit a girlfriend soon. She's demonstrated a propensity to lose or damage cell phones. I see these cheap cell phones ($50. 00 and less) on the shelves in big box stores such as Walmart and I wonder; can these phones be used on a local network in Colombia? If yes, this would be an economical way to set her up with a new phone.
I know my current Motorolla phone workd there. I just had to unlock it and then set it up with Comcel.
Thanks,
Schwmm
[QUOTE=Almotu]Thanks for your post. Some of the problems you have listed, I don't have to worry because I do not have a novia. Do you consider girls that frequent the Medellin Mansion, prepagos? I am not the type of guy that think I will pay a higher amount just to 'take a girl away from another guy' I like to pay a fair price so what is fair in Medellin? The dual-pricing structure you are hinting to is one price for gringos and one of natives, right?[/QUOTE]As far as the "dual pricing" goes, one price for dumb / naive / language disabled gringos, and other prices for others :)
The girls that go to the Mansion are not Pro`s, and Greg does not allow Pro`s to work from the Mansion, unless invited by one of the guest.
The girl that go there are i would say prepagos and alot are new to the game, so if you are looking for a girlfriend for you time there it is not hard to do so if you treat them right, do not just fuck them treat them with respect give them a good time and trust me you will get you just rewards.
It works for me.
Superboy
[QUOTE=Schwmmr]I'm going to Barranquilla to visit a girlfriend soon. She's demonstrated a propensity to lose or damage cell phones. I see these cheap cell phones ($50. 00 and less) on the shelves in big box stores such as Walmart and I wonder; can these phones be used on a local network in Colombia? If yes, this would be an economical way to set her up with a new phone.
I know my current Motorolla phone workd there. I just had to unlock it and then set it up with Comcel.
Thanks,
Schwmm[/QUOTE]It should unless it locked, then you will probably need to go to el centro to "abrir la bandas"
[QUOTE=Superboy1]The girls that go to the Mansion are not Pro`s, and Greg does not allow Pro`s to work from the Mansion, unless invited by one of the guest.
Superboy[/QUOTE]The girls at the mansion aren't prepagos? But they sure are tiburones. He he
As I was making my rounds this afternoon I figured out by talking with various retail clerks that my idea won't work. Those phones are not 4 band, ie, world phones.
Thanks,
Schwmm
[QUOTE=Schwmmr]I'm going to Barranquilla to visit a girlfriend soon. She's demonstrated a propensity to lose or damage cell phones. I see these cheap cell phones ($50. 00 and less) on the shelves in big box stores such as Walmart and I wonder; can these phones be used on a local network in Colombia? If yes, this would be an economical way to set her up with a new phone.
I know my current Motorolla phone workd there. I just had to unlock it and then set it up with Comcel.
Thanks,
Schwmm[/QUOTE]Amigo, you can buy cel phones in Colombia for as low as $30 bucks sometimes.
I know you can get them for $40.
They definitely work in Colombia :)
[QUOTE=Ricker]Amigo, you can buy cel phones in Colombia for as low as $30 bucks sometimes.
I know you can get them for $40.
They definitely work in Colombia :)[/QUOTE]Ricker,
Hmm. I thought the $50 to $70 range was for the cheapest phones in Colombia. Can you point me in the right direction? Where will we find them in the $30 to $40 range?
Thanks,
Schwmm
Why not let her worry about her own phone?
NO reason to treat her like a baby. If she loses her phone, she's shit-out-of-luck! She's better off, it saves her money from not having to pay the phone bill, which many can't afford to pay.
Generally speaking, Why do Gringos want to spoil the Colombinas? It seems to me that most want to spoil them for their affection by buying them material things. And as they say, "money can't by love." You may go broke trying.
When in Colombia, act and live like a Colombiano, leave the money sacks at home and your gringo customs at the airport when leaving the US.
Vive Colombia!
[QUOTE=Schwmmr]As I was making my rounds this afternoon I figured out by talking with various retail clerks that my idea won't work. Those phones are not 4 band, ie, world phones.
Thanks,
Schwmm[/QUOTE]Motorola V188 unlocked gsm world phone ($34, just search on ebay)
[QUOTE=Traylor Park]Why not let her worry about her own phone?
NO reason to treat her like a baby. If she loses her phone, she's shit-out-of-luck! She's better off, it saves her money from not having to pay the phone bill, which many can't afford to pay.
Generally speaking, Why do Gringos want to spoil the Colombinas? It seems to me that most want to spoil them for their affection by buying them material things. And as they say, "money can't by love." You may go broke trying.
When in Colombia, act and live like a Colombiano, leave the money sacks at home and your gringo customs at the airport when leaving the US.
Vive Colombia![/QUOTE]Well .... it just depends amigo. IMHO
I don't over-spoil a chica, but there's nothing wrong with helping out a good chica.
I wouldn't go around buying all the pros cel phones, or buying multiple cel phones for chicas that lose them, but to sincerely help someone out is cool in my book. No reason to act like a schmuck and over do-it, but a little kindness goes a long way.
You just have to be able know which chicas to take care of. That's the real trick.
I believe some of the "good" gringo qualities is what helps attract chicas. I wouldn't park all your customs at the airport.
[QUOTE=Schwmmr]Ricker,
Hmm. I thought the $50 to $70 range was for the cheapest phones in Colombia. Can you point me in the right direction? Where will we find them in the $30 to $40 range?
Thanks,
Schwmm[/QUOTE]Hmmmm, I just had my taxista buddy in Cali pick me up a Comcel cheapy cel phone for 80K pesos.
There's places all over to buy cel phones. Malls, supermercados, etc.
[QUOTE=Ricker]Hmmmm, I just had my taxista buddy in Cali pick me up a Comcel cheapy cel phone for 80K pesos.
There's places all over to buy cel phones. Malls, supermercados, etc.[/QUOTE]Hey hermano I saw signs all over centro for promotion TIGO nokia. I fotget which model for 60mil with 10mil minutos. Not bad at all.
[QUOTE=Ricker]Hmmmm, I just had my taxista buddy in Cali pick me up a Comcel cheapy cel phone for 80K pesos.
There's places all over to buy cel phones. Malls, supermercados, etc.[/QUOTE]Well I have an unlocked motorola and I purchased a Telefonica Movistar sim for 10k and it came with 30k on it already. You can get a c139 unlocked on ebay for about 30 bucks. The phone can make a great gift for a girl too. I brought 2 with me last time just for gifts.
Hello,
To all the experienced travellers out there.
I'm trying to decide on a 'latina' country, strictly for sexcapades.
Limited spanish skills, fairly experienced traveller, and very limited budget.
Researching Cuba, DR and Colombia right now.
Any suggestions?
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Haunted]Hello,
To all the experienced travellers out there.
I'm trying to decide on a 'latina' country, strictly for sexcapades.
Limited spanish skills, fairly experienced traveller, and very limited budget.
Researching Cuba, DR and Colombia right now.
Any suggestions?
Thanks![/QUOTE]Forget Cuba. It's very expensive for a tourist, and it sucks.
Your limited Spanish probably restricts you to Cartagena in Colombia.
It's cheaper to get to the DR from the US or Canada, and your lack of Spanish may not be as much of a problem.
Thanks for the info!
I have been looking at Colombia a little more, but Cali and Mendellin. Can't find any 'package' deals for either spot. I'll check Cartagena, perhaps I'll have better luck there.
DR definitely has way more options in terms of packages...but I assumed that the girls are much more expensive in DR?
I've travelled to countries before where I have limited language skills, and doesn't really bother me, managed to get by OK. Do you think it is still a bad idea for Colombia given my limited Spanish?
Thanks again!
This is the general report of my trip to Colombia which will focus on my meetings with chicas contacted on internet, whereas the other posted in the Bogota and Cartagena section will focus on the mongering aspects.
My main objective was to date a range of Colombian girls in order to start a relationship leading to marriage. My experience has been very similar to Madrugada's one in report #962 which I recommend (everything is true, such as the mobile phone issue and the fact that they do not introduce themselves when they give a phone call, so it can be tricky). This was my second trip to Colombia, although I did not do the first one with a similar intention, however I organized one in Thailand which was partially unsuccessful and decided to build on that experience.
1) Practicalities
A) Accommodation: As often mentioned in this forum, Suites Real 85 in Bogota is a good location ([url]www.suitesreal.com/85[/url]). It is a reasonably priced hotel. Rooms have kitchenette. Internet access is free. Service excellent. Safe. Close to the Zona T, Andino Plaza and its nearby restaurants, the Parque de la 93 (20 minutes if you walk, so it is still better to take a cab at night) and a 24 hours open supermarket (where you can buy alcoholic beverage). Unfortunately, far from the more cultural part of the city (La Candeleria) where the nice museum of the Banca de la Republica is located (with the Botero and Gold museums) or entertainment complex such as Mundo Aventura.
I found the restaurant in the Andino area quite expensive (I spent 50 000 pesos for a churascos and a mojito in Dixies), but the food was really good.
In Cartagena, I organized my trip too late to find an available apartment in these condos so I had to stay at the Charlotte. Good location between the old city and the Laguito and excellent service. Wi-fi available in he lobby but no computer.
B) Transportation: taxi is rather cheap, it is better to call for example Taxi Express at 4111111 in Bogota rather than hailing a cab on the street (on the contrary, in Cartagena, there is no need to do that). Their system is automated (select 1 three times), they give you the plate of the vehicle and you are supposed to give a security code to the driver indicated at the end of the message (but if you do not speak spanish they won't make is a problem). Couldn't be more safe. At the airport go to the taxi booth so that they will indicate the fare. Do not use an unofficial one, it will be more expensive.
I had also used the Transmilenio last year, but I always found it difficult to understand the system even though I speak spanish.
C) Money issues: Most banks will not accept traveler cheques nor American Express for cash withdrawal (except Bancolombia). Withdrawals can be limited to 300, 000 pesos, at best 500, 000 which is about one third of what you could normally do in Europe or North America with a basic Visa international card. I was told you can do a second withdrawal just after, but I never tried. So, unless you have a Visa, bring some cash with you, US dollars because most banks, in the Andino center at least, will not change other currencies. Therefore, if you come with euros or canadian dollars, it is advised to change at the airport (which probably does not offer the best rate, but I have not been able to compare).
D) Security: a lot has been said by other forumers on this issue. I consider the area near Andino in Bogota as reasonably safe. Until midnight it is quite crowded. Just exercise basic precaution such as not leaving your drink unattended, carrying a small amount of money, etc. There are some good advice in the British or Canadian Foreign affairs official websites. Have a look at them but they tend to overestimate the risk. In January, Cartagena was so crowded that I hardly see how any serious issue could happen, except maybe with pickpockets, unless you go to the poorest area of the city which no normal human being will do!
2) The chicas
A) The selection: I remember someone in this forum recommended hi5.com to meet some chicas. I was much less successful with this one than [url]www.cybercupido.com[/url]. For a relatively cheap 10 USD for a monthly subscription, I contacted over a hundred of chicas and got an amazing rate of replies compared to other similar websites (one third maybe). After a 3-month selection process (which I will not describe here, but you can PM me if you are interested), I ended up with a total of 5 meetings.
The beauty of the Colombian girls is often exaggerated. Like in many countries, there is only a small proportion of stunning ladies (9 or 10). Too many pregnancies have fade the beauty of the mothers or even those who had babies during their teenage time. Overweight is also common.
That being said, what makes Colombian girls particularly attractive in general is their mixed ethnic background (for the majority at least), their warm behavior and uncomplicated attitude, for example re: plastic surgery. Furthermore, because the birth rate has been relatively high two decades ago (surely, the child per mother rate is probably now closer to any other developed country), Colombia has lots of women in the 20-30 year's old range, which is the one of interest for us. As a consequence, the number of stunning beauties per square mile is high in absolute- although not necessarily in relative terms.
That in mind, you also have to take your own "attractiveness potential" into account which includes lots of factors. Considering myself as a 6 or maybe a 7, my target was a 8 rather than a 9 or 10.
B) Jessica: The first 20 year's old chica was one whose picture had received one of the best success rate in Cybercupido (I will indicate her to you if you PM me). But overall, it has been a huge disappointment. Of course, we had chatted quite a lot on Messenger before I traveled, but she was not as nice in person as on webcam (a weak 7, her main asset being a magnificent pair of natural breasts). But above all, she has revealed herself to be not only uneducated (this I knew) but to be totally uninterested in improving her knowledge in whatever field I tried to interest her, even about her own country. When we visited the Gold museum, she was less interested than most of the kids during the guided tour. I came to he conclusion that she would be totally unable to learn English correctly and therefore could not adapt to a foreign country. Also she begged me on few occasions for "presents", which I did respond positively twice without receiving a "thank you". I am sure she thinks that since I am rich (I am not really, but I am for her standard), this small sacrifice did not deserve any thanks.
These 5 days with her would have been a waste of time if I had not taken the opportunity to visit the city by and large and did some "side activities" if you see what I mean.
C) Maria-Elena: Therefore, I had a lot of expectation with my second date, in Cartagena.
From Canada, I had to buy my ticket with Copa Airlines because Avianca overcharges ticket paid for foreign residents. The funny thing is that the flight is operated by Aero Republica, which charges also more foreign cards than national ones. Keep this in mind when you buy your ticket from abroad.
Maria-Elena is 30 year's old lady from Baranquilla, never married, no child, with a decent work in an American company, and a decent level in English. Also very smart (she taught me a lot about he local music, she like to read newspapers and is well informed about the international news in general. She is not a heavy TV watcher and always chose old movies programmes). Clearly, she was looking for a foreign soulmate for "cultural reasons" she admitted, because she just does not like the generally unfaithful Colombians. Really pretty (a solid 8) and extremely caring. Did not have a lot experience with boyfriends and was generally disappointed with them. The other good news was that she had a surgery and her silhouette is curvier than I had expected. When I saw her, it was a blast. Very well proportioned, not too big because her frame is slim, but enough to stand firm in the hand, the surgeon chose the biggest size than would fit to her and make her look still natural, I. E. 300g for each implants. The scar was quite apparent but she had the surgery just 3 months ago so it should look better with the time. Not the best job I have ever seen, but a good job (see attached pic).
So you now understand that I could check it myself. She was uncomplicated, we kissed the second day and had sex the following morning. I made her very horny and she only refrained me at the beginning because she was a little bit shy and anxious about me playing with her tits, since it was the first time ever since her surgery. She is a great kisser and a good lover.
She had to come back to Valledupar were she works and we agreed to see us on the following week end either in Bogota or where she was staying. We had a great time in Bogota because she became less shy and I realized how educated she was while we were talking about politics.
The other face of the coin is. Money issue. I quickly jumped into the subject of what it is to live abroad with a guy like me, that she could not work easily abroad, and she quickly raised the issue of 'who is going to support my mother if I have to resign from my position in Colombia? '. Because she is the eldest of the family and is not married, she supports her mother but also paid for the education of her sister. This is a common problem with middle income or developing countries. Eventually, you have to balance your motivation and be able to judge her sincerity, while being able to impose some limit. Be aware, be careful! While writing these lines I am not 100% sure of her sincerity, I shortly after she left, I wrote her a message to make things clear. I think sooner or later I will know.
D) The third one was a short encounter with an engineer from Bogotá, a simple lady though, but she never wanted to spend more than a couple of hours with me for the first time. Not very productive therefore. I think she's got a hard body, but she did not revealed much of it. Her face was not super pretty but she is typically the king of unknown mixed background from Colombia that some may like.
E) The fourth date was with an architect, mother of one child, whose best asset was a pair of a 32C natural breast (according to our exchange on Messenger. NB: I am quite sure that the size chart in Colombia differ from the rest of North America because Maria-Elena is 34B but I can guarantee that she has a solid C, so a C must be the equivalent of a D). But she was more interested by friendship than a long term relation. I invited her to a restaurant and the chat was great, she was really uncomplicated. When I talked about my desire as a man for big breasts, she opened her jacket and showed me her assets, of course not entirely as we were in a public place! But enough for me to guess how they're like. Not classy at all but the most spontaneous girl I have ever met in my life. She took my hand like a girlfriend in the cab so I had to tell her no to do that with a western guy because it could be wrongly interpretated.
F) My last date was with a nice 26 year's old mother of two. Although I was spoiled with Maria, I wanted to meet Johanna in person just "to be sure". Johanna is really cute if you consider her two pregnancies. She's got a B cup size breast but it is her firm intention to fix this ASAP, that's a present I would give to her without hesitation as her novio. Therefore, she was an 8 who could easily become a 9. She laughed very much when I told her that and was really uncomplicated. Also she appeared to have an adorable and caring personality whereas Maria had a sort of an attitude which is not my cup of tea (but in the intimacy, she is great). Although I knew Johanna had lost her relatively good job recently, she did not want me to pay my part of the cab when we returned from the movie. Greatly appreciated but declined of course. Her cultural background is simple, but she is intelligent and I believe she could live abroad. The only problem is that her accent is terribly difficult to understand. The last day, she made it impossible for me to meet her. I think she finally concluded that I was not the good guy for me.
Anyway, the more time was passing, the more I was eager to see Maria again. I spent the Friday afternoon buying her some presents, I think that's a sign that I am really found of her, isn't it?
Conclusion: I entirely concur to report #962. Meet at least 3 chicas you have carefully chatted with for 3 to 6 months. Do not expect to have sex easily, it is not necessarily in your interest neither. Behave like a gentleman, they really like to be complimented. Be prepared to pay for everything. Be realistic on your objective, the chica "eager to leave her country ASAP" is a myth if your target is a reasonably well educated and established person. That means also that if you are an average looking man, you cannot have both a stunning AND an educated girl, and I would not recommend trying a chica from the countryside because your conversation will become very limited and you cannot base a long term relation only on sex. Only chose someone graduated from the University and focus on Bogotá. Finally, do not base your travel only on meeting chicas but also on the touristical aspects, otherwise you could end up with the impression of having lost your time and resources.
Good luck!
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Excellent reports Jan Chris, looks like al the Caribbean mongers end up one day or another in Colombia! I agree with you, I would not consider Colombia as a great monger destination, but amateur action is excellent. I did not use meeting sites on Internet but relied on natural encounters. It was risky regarding the small amount of time I had to score, but I was succesfull, maybe I was just lucky. I had planned to go back to Colombia in February, but my trip is delayed to July. In the meantime, I tried also [url]www.cybercupido.com[/url]. It's simply incredible. I had no answers so far, but since I have put my pic, I receive everyday a message of a girl who wants to meet me, I don't even need to make the first move. The funny thing is that's it an international site, but only Colombianas try to contact me, there is for sure a mystical thing between them and me. In fact it's simply impossible for me to meet all those girls during the short amount of time I will spend in Colombia.
Jan Chris, unlike you I am not looking for a long term relation. Don't take me wrong, I don't mix up these girls with hookers, on the contrary. But I respect them too much to make them think I would marry them. I'm afraid girls on meeting site are looking for such kind of relationship. What is your experience with this sample of 5 girls, is it what they are looking for? Another thing, did you have sex will all of them and how long did it take it to get them in your bed?
Are there any asian working girls in Colombia? Blonde white girls? Black booty brown suga girls? Clubs to go to with these types?
Thanks guys I'm just fishing for some info.
Gents,
Let me tell you my story. I am a few months on the amigos website. I am not a model, but for european standards I am goog looking, tall and athletic, in my middle 30. I have uploaded smart fotos, and filled out all that additional stuff, carefully answered the questions. O. K. Let's go!
I wrote to a lot of girls, in spanish language of course. The response was about 10 percent initial; narrowing. So what is the problem? After chatting with chicks online, questioning a colombian women who lives in my country and talking with a compatriot who lives in Colombia I would resume the following (btw, I was in Colombia several times):
The mayority of the girls who puts themselfes on that amigos website are willing to meet a foreigner. Why does this works seemingly not for me? Because closed to all of them are willing to meet men from the US! That is the point! Maybe there is an exception when your are from Italy or Spain. The women are not interested at all to leave their country to live in middle europe, northern europe or the UK. The hollowed land is and keeps the United States. Sadly to say, but that's seemingly true.
Finally, let me add my two cent to "eager to leave their country or argue the converse". When the age difference is no more than 10 years and you are serious in founding a family you should not have big problems (. Of course only when you are from the US. Hahaha.) Who can blame them for not eager to be with a 20. 25 years older guys who treat her like a sex-bunny instead of having kids with a more smart guy and live a more upscaled life than in Colombia? !
Any coments are pretty welcome.
[QUOTE=Degenerate]Are there any asian working girls in Colombia? Blonde white girls? Black booty brown suga girls? Clubs to go to with these types?
Thanks guys I'm just fishing for some info.[/QUOTE]Looks like you have no clue how Colombianas look like. Although most are a mix of all three, you can find black girls, white blonde girls and native indian girls.
[QUOTE=Jan Chris]Meet at least 3 chicas you have carefully chatted with for 3 to 6 months. Do not expect to have sex easily, it is not necessarily in your interest neither. Behave like a gentleman, they really like to be complimented. Be prepared to pay for everything. Be realistic on your objective, the chica "eager to leave her country ASAP" is a myth if your target is a reasonably well educated and established person. [/QUOTE]Excellent report Jan Chris.
We Caribbean mongers do seem to get fixated on Colombia and sometimes have unrealistic ideas!
My experience with Cybercupido worked as follows. I was away from St Maarten for 3 months, so no colombiana pros. I am married, older. I signed up, posted my picture, which is important, but later I changed my picture to "Photo Privado" - which means that only women I contact can see it, not my wife's friends who are browsing. I gave an accurate description of myself, but did not say I was married. I did everything in Spanish, using freetranslation.com and my dictionary when necessary.
Instead of posting some general goals (beauttiful girl who is carinosa, etc.) I said I was looking for a woman that liked my favorite 20 latin ballads, then I listed them.
I was online a lot. I reviewed the list of girls onlline worldwide. When I viewed their profile, they get a notice that someone is looking and they can look at your profile. but in my case there is no pic, only list of songs. In most cases I would get a notice shortly after that someone is looking at my profile. In the beginning I would send a short message, Como estas? (how are you?). about 30% would reply, which is very high.
Eventually i had so many girls that i was emailing with that I stopped sending como estas? I just took the ones that were intrigued and would send the como estas? themselves. This was still at least 1 per day, usually 2.
All countries, all ages, all looks (more average lookers of course). I responded to most of them, except those who said they were looking for a long term relationship. They sent me photos by email.
I learned a lot about these women and their lifes and their countries. I was always gentlemanly and never forward, but many of them upped the emotionaly content in their messages.
I came to the conclusion that most were looking for regular boyfriend or husband, regardless of what they said initially. Some even had visas and could have come to visit me (and my wife!).
Eventually I shut it off. The pressure of continually lying was too much work. But my conclusion is that there are lots of women ready to meet me and bed me, even tho I am old. Not many 21 year old stunners, but plenty of beautiful women 28-38 years old.
I hope to vacation in Colombia by myself in august, so will reactive my actiion 3 weeks before I go. I am not looking for a new wife, ever, any country, forget it. But a girlfriend in each city of colombia, why not?
Zing
[QUOTE=Trendy Andy]When the age difference is no more than 10 years and you are serious in founding a family you should not have big problems (. Of course only when you are from the US. Hahaha.) Who can blame them for not eager to be with a 20. 25 years older guys who treat her like a sex-bunny instead of having kids with a more smart guy and live a more upscaled life than in Colombia? [/QUOTE]I don't know how old you are, Andy, but I'm guessing that you have lived far less than half of your life expectancy. If so, I have some good news for you.
It is only natural that we bring along the biases we have learned in our own culture when we enter another. It can take a long time to realize how others can truly view things differently.
Latinas in general, and Colombianas specifically, do NOT find youthfulness in a man to be valuable asset. Just the opposite.
It is much more appealing to them for a man to be 40 than 30. And it is even better still to be 50 than 40.
Of course, a younger man has no point of reference on this as he will not yet have had the opportunity to experience this phenomena for himself.
I am actually 51, but I tell all the chicas (whether they are 22, 32, or 42) that I am 60, because it works in my favor. Believe me, I sure wouldn't lie about my age if it wasn't to my advantage.
Those who are younger must think I am completely insane and totally full of shit, because this concept is unthinkable in Western society. It is almost impossible to get ones mind around it.
But it's true in Latin America.
The good news for all of you youngsters out there is that in the years ahead you are only going to become more appealing to the chicas!
Viva la differencia!
DB
[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]I don't know how old you are, Andy, but I'm guessing that you have lived far less than half of your life expectancy. If so, I have some good news for you.
It is only natural that we bring along the biases we have learned in our own culture when we enter another. It can take a long time to realize how others can truly view things differently.
Latinas in general, and Colombianas specifically, do NOT find youthfulness in a man to be valuable asset. Just the opposite.
It is much more appealing to them for a man to be 40 than 30. And it is even better still to be 50 than 40.
Of course, a younger man will not yet have had the opportunity to experience this phenomena.
I am actually 51, but I tell all the chicas (whether they are 22, 32, or 42) that I am 60, because it works in my favor. Believe me, I sure wouldn't lie about my age if it wasn't to my advantage.
Those who are younger must think I am completely insane and totally full of shit, because this concept is unthinkable in Western society. It is almost impossible to get ones mind around it.
But it's true in Latin America.
The good news for all of you youngsters out there is that in the years ahead you are only going to become more appealing to the chicas!
Viva la differencia!
DB[/QUOTE]Common now DB. You can't pass for 60, 50 tops, but I like the strategy.
I agree with you dodger Bulldog, to an extent.
I think this is true for women that come from poor economic backgrounds, for we gringos represent an opportunity to improve their lives and possibly the lives of their families. I am 45, my novia is 24 and comes from a lower- middle class background.
I am not sure your theroy holds up in the wealthier classes. There I think the older gringo may have a tougher time. IMHO.
Hey Dodger,
Interesting post, enough to make me post my first non-report or advice request. Here's my perspective based on travels and having lived in Latam for 10 years. BTW, I'm 42 but people always guess early or mid 30's.
Yes, some Latin chicks dig the male cougars. Some don't, just look at the age preferrences listed in cypercupido or amigos.com. You could say more Latin chicks tend to go higher in their acceptable age ranges than US/Euro, and Asia is about the same as Latam.
My top 5 theories:
1. Economics. This one's easy. Older dudes, on average, tend to have more spending money. Honies get tired of going to McD's and spotting their 20 yr old novios for gas money.
2. Maturity. For some of us, age brings more confidence and knowledge of women. What (little) I've lost in physical assets I've more than made up in sweet charm and baby-making game. Which is to say I was kind of dork when I was younger: )
3. Youth Burns. Let's admit it. Many of us were man-***** dogs when were in our 20s-30s. Unless we found THE ONE, we were much more likely to have several options going at once. And Young Latin guys take this to a whole new level. Latinas know this. By their mid to late 20's they get tired of getting cheated on and conclude their fidelity chances improve with older dudes.
4. Daddy Complex. I think this is universal, but whether a chick had a dad or missed one growing up, there's always that element of being attracted to the father figure and being taken care of.
5. Bigger Dicks. Few of us were taught that our dicks would get massively large at 40, no one really talks about it! But it's true that gravity takes it toll and those extra 2-3 inches really come in handy (pun intended). If you're under 40 and can't wait, PM me and I'll get you some pre-40 dick growth pills for lo, lo price.
Now, all this bullshit aside, if you gave me a pill that would turn me back to 18. And I could keep everything I've learned. I'd take it in a heartbeat!
Have fun with this.
Peace,
M
The girls way of thinking is the older you are the more money you have. Also they like a guy thats only going to be with them and not 10 other girls. And I have notice that the older guys (well most of them) tend to stick to the same 2 or 3 girls.
Superboy
[QUOTE=Msands]Hey Dodger,
Interesting post, enough to make me post my first non-report or advice request. Here's my perspective based on travels and having lived in Latam for 10 years. BTW, I'm 42 but people always guess early or mid 30's.
Yes, some Latin chicks dig the male cougars. Some don't, just look at the age preferrences listed in cypercupido or amigos.com. You could say more Latin chicks tend to go higher in their acceptable age ranges than US/Euro, and Asia is about the same as Latam.
My top 5 theories:
1. Economics. This one's easy. Older dudes, on average, tend to have more spending money. Honies get tired of going to McD's and spotting their 20 yr old novios for gas money.
2. Maturity. For some of us, age brings more confidence and knowledge of women. What (little) I've lost in physical assets I've more than made up in sweet charm and baby-making game. Which is to say I was kind of dork when I was younger: )
3. Youth Burns. Let's admit it. Many of us were man-***** dogs when were in our 20s-30s. Unless we found THE ONE, we were much more likely to have several options going at once. And Young Latin guys take this to a whole new level. Latinas know this. By their mid to late 20's they get tired of getting cheated on and conclude their fidelity chances improve with older dudes.
4. Daddy Complex. I think this is universal, but whether a chick had a dad or missed one growing up, there's always that element of being attracted to the father figure and being taken care of.
5. Bigger Dicks. Few of us were taught that our dicks would get massively large at 40, no one really talks about it! But it's true that gravity takes it toll and those extra 2-3 inches really come in handy (pun intended). If you're under 40 and can't wait, PM me and I'll get you some pre-40 dick growth pills for lo, lo price.
Now, all this bullshit aside, if you gave me a pill that would turn me back to 18. And I could keep everything I've learned. I'd take it in a heartbeat!
Have fun with this.
Peace,
M[/QUOTE]Bottom line amigos. It's a total culture difference.
After 15 plus years of traveling quite frequently / semi-living in Latin America, it still amazes me how wonderful the latinas are compared to the western chicas.
It's like a different galaxy :)
All the above listed reasons by Msands, except maybe his big dick theory, are fine, but bottom line is for me, the amazing culture difference.
Take care ....
Hi all,
i just returned from a trip to Buceramanga.
Here is my newest work.
I only post maps and can not give any informations about Clubs or prices.
Mayby one of my friends that I traveled with can post some information about the clubs.
If you are at El Castiilo or the Mansion just ask for me (Don Pedrino) if you would like a bigger 1.5 MB map.
Thanks for your comments, gent´s!
I have not intended a discussion older guys vs. younger guys. I ment rather the "distance problem" than the age.
Nevertheless I have enjoined your reports.
I have placed this under travel plans, but I see more response on this thread.
I am looking for some advice on a couple of cities to visit. First of all I fly out of Medellin on the 26th of Feb. So naturally I will be staying there for a few days. I am looking at either an apartment or the manison/VIP, which is best. My spanish is at the beginners level, meaning very, very basic.
Now the question are:
1. I am coming from Quito, so I can fly pretty much to any of the cities for about the same price. So what would be better, spend a few days in Bogota or Cartagena, or another city? Again my spanish skills are basic.
I have found some fairly cheap places to stay in either city. Just wonder which is best for someone new to Colombia? Plus which has the better women as far as price and best experience level.
I am not new to South America as I have spent 2 1/2 months between Lima and Buenos Airies. Also as far as beach scene, that is not important as I am spending 5 days in N.Peru beaches.
Any help and advice would be wonderful as I have been looking forward to seeing Colombia this whole trip. I also have a friend who lives in MANIZALES if he home, but again don't know the area.
Thanks in a advance.
I was reluctant at first adding this last level. I have trouble promoting marriage, building up a family and making children. I know, it’s the keystone of our society, essential for survival of human race. But eternal love has been designed in a time when life expectancy didn’t exceed 35. Here are a few bad reasons for marrying a woman:
- She has a hot as. Sure, but will she still have the same ass with 20 more years.
- She loves sex. Sure, any woman at the beginning of a relation loves sex and will do it three times a day…any women after 10 years of marriage ends up doing it once or twice a month.
- She is the mother of my kid. Sure, it doesn’t mean you that she is the woman of our life.
- She is the only one that wants to marry me. Hey, back to the first lessons!
I would prefer to talk only about simply living together. But it will be hard to keep it only to that with a Latina. There are a couple of reasons for it. One is the visa issue you will have to face when living with a Latina. For administrative reasons, you will most likely end up in a marriage, else it will become impossible to travel with her to your own country. Another one is the cultural aspect, remember a Latina is catholic, living with a man means marriage. And last one, more serious, a Latina will sooner or later come with the issue of having a baby with you.
Hey, if you have reached this level, did you do all the previous steps before or did you jump a couple of ones, especially level 4? There was a reason to put this level 4, if you have jumped it, it’s a key issue and you know it. Do you really want a former hooker to be the woman of your life and the possible mother of your children? Of course I assume you took her out of business, else you are still on level 3.
We all understand, it could happen to any of us. After all, who am I to give any judgmental opinion. We meet so many great girls that we can easily meet the one we simply can’t leave in her shit. I love those girls, and I hope that each of them will find a great man that will take care of them. They simply deserve it. I’m sure they can be great spouses and great mothers.
Trouble is that she is not only a former hooker, but you are also a former monger. She can easily forget her past, a woman who starts a life with a man simply erases all others from her memory, unlike men. But what about you? Will you always accept her past? I believe a former hooker can only be happy with a man that has no clue about her past. Another issue is that unlike her, you will always be a monger. Mongering is not an issue as long as your wife doesn’t know about it. Trouble is that a former hooker will detect much easier when you start to go again with other hookers. You get me, trouble is not her past, it’s yours and the fact that you will not be able to deal with her past.
I won’t be able to prevent you from trying if you are in this level, I can simply give one recommendation: NEVER EVER blame her for her past, no matter what happens. You have simply to forget about it and act as if she has never had that past.
So let’s assume that you did correctly all the steps and ended up living with a regular Latina. Are things easier? Not really, you just have one issue less. The main issue is still there, a male and female trying to live together in harmony. She is Latina, from a different cultural background. It sure is one more issue, but believe me, it’s way nothing compared to the male/female issue. You could easily misinterpreted misunderstandings, blame it to the cultural difference, but 99% is due to the difference between males and females. Anyone trying to live in couple should read “Man are from Mars, Women from Venus” the bestseller from John Gray. I won’t add too much about it if not about what makes it specific living with a Latina. Again I would give the same rule: NEVER EVER blame her for being a Latina.
There are a couple of issues to face, one of them being the location. Are you going to live in your country or her country? If she is already an immigrant in your country when you had met her or if you are an expat in her country, there is no issue, but if you live each in your own country, one of the two has to chose for exile. Most probably, she will have to come to your country. It’s a serious issue, don’t believe you did her a favour, rescuing her from a shithole and bringing her to paradise. On the contrary, it’s a major sacrifice, she will have to face a cultural gap, discrimination, exile, living far from her beloved family and country.
Even if you are both ready to adapt yourself to each other cultural differences, are your both families also ready for this? Remember, when you marry a Latina, you marry her family. Never try to break her connection with her family. You have to accept this, but if you know how to adapt yourself to other cultures, it’s a great feeling being member of a Latino family. Be prepared to visit on a regular basis her home country. The latest should not be real issue, but if you have different religions, you have to accept that your kids will be raised according to her Catholic faith.
Another issue is the rest of the environment, people can be cruel, especially if the ethnical, social, age and beauty difference is too obvious. There will always be that suspicion for others, she married you because of citizenship and money, you married her because you took advantage of it to get her beauty and youth. You probably don’t care what other may think, but she certainly will. Remember, Latinas are proud. Be always on her side.
However, despite those issues, I am convinced that a Latina is simply the best choice as a spouse and as a mother, she has so much love to give. We tend to have a very rational way of thinking, a Latina puts emotions and feelings first, that’ all you need to know to understand her. I have watched older couples in Colombia, and Colombianas seem to keep always the same attitude towards the men they love unlike what happens in the Western world. It is simply great to be loved by a Latina. And as last, the key rule: make her happy.
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What’s the next level, living and marrying a Latina? No, before reaching this level, there is a much more important one to consider. If you are looking for your soulmate, why the hell are you going with hookers? Do you really think that brothels are the best places to find a women to live with? You believe in destiny and that the hooker you met is unique? It seems to me that you haven’t learned the previous lessons. Passion between a man and a woman is wonderful, that’s why I live for. Love is so strong that you get the illusion of a unique and eternal feeling. I am so addicted to those wonderful moments when a man meets a woman that I have put all my efforts to get that feeling again. I have learned that it can be repeated over and over.
For a long time I used hookers for my passion addiction. It’s however much more difficult de trigger emotions and passion with hookers than with regular girls whose job is to simulate emotions and who are fed up of meeting so many men. If I managed to be so successful, it’s simply because mongering allows to make a quantity of experience simply impossible to get in normal life. I love Zing’s theory comparing hookers to simulators for learning about women. Pilots learn safely in simulators to face extreme experience impossible to get during normal flights. Hookers allow experimenting with women.
I have met hundred’s of Colombianas throughout all the Caribbean brothels, I have developed not only feelings, but also true friendship with lot’s of them and keep in touch for years now, growing with them. They have learned a lot with me about men and customers and I have learned a lot with them about hookers and women. Some even offered to work for me if I could help them to go to work in Europe. I have a good job and don’t need money, but it made me realize how easy it is to get to the other side of the mirror, to the dark side of the force…
I had a strong rule to always keep my adventure in the prostitution world not only to protect my personal and family life, but also because I respect too much women to make them believe I am looking for a relation simply to get sex. But experience showed me that hookers are not simulators, but women that can also be hurt. Hookers don’t deserve to be hurt in the same way. I know I must stop playing with hookers’ feelings.
On the other hand, I wondered if my “simulator” experience could help me in real life. I sometimes turn on my GFE radar in real life, and it starts to blink outside a brothel. Tempting to check if the sensor is as reliable in real life isn’t it? I decided I had to experiment it for real despite the rules I had made for myself, but far from my home country for safety reasons. Guess which country I chose fro my experiment? Colombia!
In fact my GFE radar turned out to be as efficient in real life. There is one difference: in a brothel all girls try to approach you and say yes, while in real world none come to you even those who like you. The GFE radar is the key of success in both worlds.
After having visited 50 countries over the world, I realized that Colombia was the country where I found the most girls that turned me on. For some reason, it seems also that it’s the easiest country where I turn on girls. It’s probably again a matter of chemistry, I guess each has it’s own country that works best for him. I found mine after years of travelling, again a matter of checking as much as possible. There is no other country in the world where so many women smile at me. Some have reported different experiences and claim better success in other countries that didn’t do it for me. Each his own, again the theory of chemistry.
How does it work? The fact is that Colombianas simply never refuse an invitation for a drink. I saw even a cute girl with a T-shirt “Offer this girl a drink” written in English! Things can’t be clearer. Why, simply because she is always ready to check the available options. I got this explanation from a Colombiana. When I explained that Western countries girls could be offended if invited for a drink, she simply couldn’t understand it. I had also trouble explaining what was sexual harassment, an unknown meaning in Colombia. Don’t be shy offering a drink to any girl you meet even in the street, I have never been refused. But watch out, if it is natural to offer a drink to a girl or even a meal, this does not commit her in anyway, and she is still not in your bed, unlike Western countries. The second step is the ritual exchange of phone numbers. That’s why it’s important having a local cell phone. If you have her phone, you are on the right path. If you call back and she accepts a second invitation, then it’s rock and roll.
One thing about cell phone. A Latina usually never gives her name when she calls you back. You are supposed to recognize her from her voice as you are not supposed having met other girls of course. Watch out for this, memorise her name in your phone cell and be prepared to it, else you will mix things up. Watch out also to put your phonecell on silent mode when with a Latina. Not answering an entering phone call is highly suspicious for her.
Where do you meet the girls? Anywhere I would say. What is important is speaking all day long to any girl you meet, even those who don’t turn you on. It must be a way of living. Any Colombiana will reply to a smile or to an “Hola!”. Ask any stupid question or say anything stupid about the weather or whatsoever, it doesn’t matter that much. Just one sentence is enough, she usually will continue conversation. After a few sentence, there is nothing wrong to invite her for a drink. I have heard several theories, one is that there are 7 girls for one guy in Bogotá. I don’t really believe in these stats. Another one is that if nearly all Colombianas are very good looking, the males are much less attractive. This is not my theory, I don’t feel qualified to judge males, I got this theory from several Colombianas. My experience is that Colombianas are simply passionate, full of love, eager to please a man and can’t live without loving someone. Colombianas from my experience seem also to love what is probably exotic for them, tall and blond, but I can’t say for sure if it’s only the girls I meet or a general opinion. For sure I love Colombianas and they seem to love me as much as I do.
Is this only possible in Colombia? I guess not, I simply was in my comfort zone with Colombianas. I was once with a friend I used to monger with. He relies on me to find the best mongering places, but one time I was in a destination without brothels. I went with him to a regular nightclub, be he simply assumed it was a brothel as he was used to it when he was with me. I saw him approaching two girls and within minutes he brought them to our table for sharing a drink. I had to warn him he wasn’t dealing with hookers, but he had approached them with such self confidence that it simply worked. You get the idea, just try it yourself.
So, what’s the reason for continuing paying when you get much better for free ? When in Latin America, I tend not to go anymore to brothels but to go instead to regular nightclubs. It’s very easy to meet regular girls, especially if you have some Latin dancing skills. It becomes also more difficult for me to spend so much money in an FKK party while I could get for the same amount a flight to Bogotá and meet my girlfriends.
Except the approach, I didn’t feel much difference between my “simulator “ experience and the real experience. Real Colombianas have unshaved pussy, turn the light down and don’t enter naked in bed, and of course I don’t wonder anymore if I am still supposed to pay or not, but that’s about it. It made me realize how sincere the hookers had been and that there emotions where not simulated.
A few words about dating sites. I have started to visit meeting sites such as [url]www.amigos.com[/url], [url]www.latinamericacupid.com[/url], and my favorite one [url]www.cybercupido.com[/url] the later is completely free. It seemed to me too virtual at first, but I was amazed about the success rate, how easy it was to meet dozens of sexy girls. In fact, what happens in these sites is exactly what happens in the real world. I guess it’s still difficult to meet someone in the Western World with it, but it’s a great tool to meet Latinas. I checked the stats in [url]www.cybercupido.com[/url] and guess what? Colombia is the only country in the world where the female members outnumber the male members. Colombianas are the most important group on this site, confirming what I had felt when in Colombia. In fact, once in Colombia you don’t really need a meeting site but it makes simply the first move through Internet easier than in the street. Don’t expect any answers however without picture, it is seen as suspicious. But once you put a picture, expect to receive daily messages. However, the Latinas on these sites have no cyber fantasies, they want to meet for real. If you are not supposed to come soon to visit their country, they will not insist. Needless to say, most Latinas on these sites are looking for a real relation, no simple adventure.
When reaching this level, I would say that it’s easier to date real girls than going into dangerous relationships with hookers. A Colombiana is a wonderful lover, beautiful and sexy, passionate and loving, devoted and faithful, happy and easy going. There si nothing greater than being loved by a Colombiana.
Will I stop mongering? In fact I know that in both options I can get passion but I can also hurt. The expert level is that, getting the emotions and feeling of a woman from a hooker but also approaching a woman as easily as a hooker. Getting from a hooker what you get from a woman and getting from a woman what you get from a hooker. I have reached this expert level only with Colombianas. When you have learned to fly, you walk forever looking the sky. My sky is Colombia.
Colombia, el riesgo es que te quieras quedar...
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Next lesson, we are reaching the danger zone: how to manage a relationship with a Latina. This time, it’s not a goal to reach, but an issue to manage. If you reach this level, I simply hope you have had enough experience with the previous levels, else you are in deep trouble. Anyway, sooner or later, you will have to face it in your mongering career, we have all been there.
First, a few recommendations that will help you not to avoid but to delay the moment you will have to face this issue:
- Never hunt in your home country
- Change each time your hunting destination
- In each hunting destination, change each time your clubs
- In each club change each time of girls
If you start to see on a regular basis a girl from level 2, you are in the danger zone and will soon lose control over the situation. It usually starts with an Email exchange to keep in touch. Giving your phone number is the first wrong step you will make. A brothels is a secured and discrete environment who allows to keep a clear separation between fantasy and reality, between our monger life and real life. As a monger, we decide when it’s time to go for hunting, enter our monger character and head to the brothels. But now, we start to undergo the events. We receive heart breaking Emails, an overflow of SMS and phonecalls at any given time. It’s easy to forget a girl with time and distance, much more difficult when daily contacts remind you the intimate and passionate moments spend together. It’s simply impossible to continue living your comfortable normal life while a girl is struggling with an unfair life and you are her only light in the dark. You will soon make the next steps: meeting her outside the brothel, having sex without paying and here you are dating a hooker.
The latest communications techniques. It’s amazing how Latinas are comfortable with these techniques: Emails, SMS, MSN, Skype, videoconference, meeting sites…But their interests in high tech are just focused on one simple goal: keeping in touch with their beloved, family, friends, novios…When you are with a Latina, she will never leave her most precious tool, her phonecell. It rings all day long. When you are far from her and have the novio status, you will receive several SMS or Emails a day.
A few things about Latinas to understand better what has happened. Unlike Africa or Asia, there are few cultural differences between the Western World and Latin America. Even Western Europe with a strong Mediterranean influence is much closer to the Latin American culture than to the Slavic Eastern European culture. This explains why a relationship with a Latina can me so strong as long as there is no linguistic barrier.
Unlike other third world countries, people in Latin America are too happy to live in their country and need too much to stay close to their family to dream about immigration. A Westerner is not just a visa opportunity for a Latina. Most Latinas are single mothers who have learned to live without a man. Hookers have a tough job, but they are financially independent. Unlike hookers in Western countries, they are not victims of human traffic. I have even been impressed when I discovered the apartment in Bogotá of one of them I know for years now. Latina hookers are brave, but they are deeply in need of love. They are sincerely able to forget about your monger status and their hooker status and love passionately. They don’t need financial support anymore, they just need love, a man who loves and respect her, who can listen to her and share her good and bad moments of life.
The money issue. As long as you continue paying for the time spend together, everything is fine, you are still on the previous level. You pay for time and sex, feelings and emotions are free for both. There is no commitment on both side, we can’t speak of a real relationship.
Some do the opposite, they start to pay more than what is requested. Never forget, you can pay for sex, not for love. Paying more will not trigger any kind of love, it might even trigger lack of respect from her side. She might simply transform this relation into a good way to make money. In fact, you should never go halfway. If you start to spend a lot of money with a girl, you can only do this for one reason: to get her out of the business, take care of her and live with her.
Here is the key rule: a girl make a living through prostitution, ask money to a man and ask him to love her. She has to chose two out of these three. If a hooker asks money, he’s a customer, if she doesn’t ask for money it’s a lover. If she receives money from her lover that takes care of her, then she can’t prostitute herself with other men. Don’t fool yourself believing in any romance if you still continue paying a hooker. Social difference between you and her has nothing to do with it. Remember, a hooker who loves actually GIVES money, it’s what is usually called a pimp.
Once you start not to pay anymore for sex and time, you are getting into a true relationship which involves mutual commitment. You have reached the novio status. It might sound strange, but it actually involves fidelity from your side, even and especially with pros. Watch out, prostitution is a small world, she will easily know if you don’t respect your loyalty. Worse, most chica’s will soon know about it and will never agree to go with a collegue’s novio. The fact that she goes with other men is not to put into consideration in her eyes. For her it’s simply her job, for you it’s having fun. Believe me, there is a clear difference for her when she has sex with he novio or with her customers.
The difference is made trough feelings and emotions, but also in a more practical way without money exchange and…without condom. A condom is related to her job, it’s a symbolical protection to make a distance with customers. Don’t take me wrong, I am not pretending here that a hooker doing bareback is a proof of love, some do it simply out of stupidity. I am saying that a serious hooker in love who usually doesn’t do bareback during her job needs to make a difference between her customers and her novio. It’s a serious issue of course, but again not the one you have in mind. It’s way more easy to make a girl pregnant than to catch a STD. You heart me. Latinas have a strong female instinct of procreation. When she falls in love, she feels the need to be fertilized and have a baby with him. Remember, a Latina is full of love, maternal love allows her eternal love and keep something from that man that will escape her once again. Don’t believe she will do it to try to get child support from you. Latinas are formatted to take care alone of their child. Still, you will have to live with your conscience, having a child raised by a hooker and struggling with an unfair life in a third world country.
Before you get to this point, your conscience will have to face other issues. Believe me, it’s simply inhuman going on with your life when you know that the girl you love is fucked each night by a dozen strangers in a dirty brothel. These girls have to face problems you can’t even imagine from your comfortable background. You will have to face them also when you share her daily joys and sorrows. She just needs someone to listen, but it will be impossible to you not to react. You can’t let her in a physical danger when she has to face a specific threat, you can’t leave her ill without help, you can’t leave her facing a sudden major financial problem. You will soon realize that you can’t continue living on like this. You will try to push her back, but it will trigger even more feelings. When blowing hot and cold, you will drive a Latina crazy, she will feel as if she is in a Telenovela. Your relation will get stronger and stronger, with mutual passion you just can’t imagine. This experience will help you to learn a lot, not about Latinas but about yourself. That’s why I can’t help you more with this.
Depending of your own family life or of the love for her, you will have to decide about this relationship. You can either stop it or either continue, helping her to get out of the business and taking care of her. Stopping such relationship is very difficult, needs determination and frankness, be able to face tears and cries. Your best partners are geographical distance and sense of responsibility for your own family as long as you had followed the safety rules previously given. The second option will be developed in the last lesson, how to live with a Latina. But before, there is a much different one, maybe even the real answer to everything.
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her is the second lesson of chica management. in this intermediate level, the purpose is not to get gfe, but to get real emotions from a chica. there is a huge difference between these two. gfe is a service offered “as if” she is your “girl friend”. here, we are speaking about real emotions. to make it more easy, we assume that this time we are not in a short session mode but in a todo la noche. when you spend a complete night with a chica, gfe is almost guaranteed. the chica just wants it to go right when she has to spend a complete night with someone, she will deliver quality service. but here we want to go to the next level. compared to a short session with a customer before and after you, a lot of things can happen in one night between two human beings alone. there might even be real feelings and even without real feelings, the girl might let herself go, enjoy for real and have even an orgasm. very exciting all this, as long as you are ready to make some efforts.
indeed, this second lesson requires a few previous skills. did you really believe you could get the intermediate level simply by reading this lesson? first of all speaking spanish is mandatory. staying like 12 hours with someone without being able to communicate is nerve breaking. yes, i know, there is body language, but sad to say females are more sensitive to oral communication. don’t fool yourself, get back to learn! believe me, learning spanish is about the most rewarding effort you might do in your life. it happens to be also the second most important language in the world with plenty of opportunities to practise it. start with a classical pimsleur language method, listen to it in your car instead of losing time in traffic. try to get to a level enough to start to follow spanish tv channels. once you have reached this level, tings go much faster without any effort, as you just need to watch tv or listen to the radio.
for the intermediate lesson, the goal is to try to understand a chica. it’s not only a matter of language, but also of cultural gap. depending your own background, this gap might be important or not. get back to work again, document yourself about latin america, his history, geography, sociology, economy and politic. believe me, you will learn a lot about this huge and diverse continent, from the top of the ice cold andes to the sand of the marvellous tropical caribbean beaches, through the amazonian jungle, from the ancient pre-columbian civilisation to the modern skyscrapers of the modern cities. it’s also an incredible diversity of cultures and people, a mix of native indians, european conquistadors and african slaves. colombia is at the cross section between central and south america, with a atlantic and pacific coast, it has a bit of everything you can find in latin america. what is true for colombianas is basically true for other latinas. only brazil is a country on it’s own, this huge country has a specific culture and language and is very different of the rest of latin america.
trying to understand the colombianas. this is dangerous stuff of course, trying to describe what is a colombiana or a latina. each person is a an individual and generalisation is always a mistake. let’s say i simply try to give a few general facts.
african origins are mainly among those living along the atlantic coast. for colombia, this means cities like carthagena and baranquilla. chicas from african origin are fun and laidback. they will easily enjoy sex but are less sensitive regarding feelings, will be more materialistic and less asking for commitment.
native indians are everywhere in latin america, except in countries where they have been exterminated such as argentina, uruguay or salvador. in colombia, they can be found everywhere but mainly in more rural areas such as cali. native indians have had trouble adapting themselves to the modern world. they are usually less educated and poorer. a chica from native indian origin will have a tradition view of marriage. she will be devoted to her man. in bed it might be surprising, but the y tend to try to please and forget about their own pleasure.
european descents are mainly in the bigger cities, in colombia mainly bogota and medellin. they are usually educated and close to the better social classes, which doesn’t mean she can’t be poor herself. they tend to put high value in self development and feelings. they might be cooler at starting but their passion has no limits.
in fact, most colombianas are a mix of these three origins, their attitude and character are also in the middle somewhere of this. a good advice, watch a few telenovelas if you want to understand a latina. try also to learn more about latin culture, especially music. merengue and bachata, both from dominican republic are easy to learn within an hour, any chica will help you to the basic steps. most teenagers however in latin america will listen to reggaeton, also from santo domingo. it’s a very natural dance, especially for mongers, but it’s not for the shy or the weak of heart. basically, it’s simulates sexual intercourse, so depending your background you may feel comfortable with it or not.
on the other hand, salsa needs at least a good year of practice before you might consider inviting a chica on the dance-floor. you can take salsa dancing lessons everywhere in the world, it’s a very popular couple dance. believe me, it’s worth the efforts, even the lessons are fun as the girls/boy ratio are in your favour, you will experience how it feels to be an endangered specie. also, not only chicas, but women love to be guided by an experienced dancer. dancing is a vertical expression of a horizontal desire. as a matter of fact, if you master latin dancing, there is really no need anymore to pay for meeting girls in latin america. but i’m already jumping to the next steps…
one more thing, you will need before starting the intermediate lesson: check your beginner lesson, over and over. mastering an art goes through experience, try as much different chicas as possible in short time sessions. from your experience, you will learn to improve your approach, your conversation, your attitude, as long as you are open to feedback and adapt yourself each time.
most important of all is that it will help you select a chica. i have developed a so called gps (girlfriendly pussy sensor), it allows me to detect the chica that fits with me, not only the chica i like, but the kind of chica that likes me also, in order to build mutual chemistry. my theory is that in an given club with 50 girls, there might be only 2 or 3 chica i would manage to give real emotions, no matter the strategies, the techniques or the efforts i would make to get it. the movie “hitch”, where will smith is a dating expert, gets to exactly the same conclusion : there is no such thing as a winning strategy. it’s because it’s her and it’s him. in real life, trouble is that you might bump into such girl, but she will never comes to you. in a brothel it’s the opposite issue, all girls will come to you, and its up to you to detect the right one. here is where mongering experience will help you. only mongering can allow you to meet so many girls and detect a pattern. through regular dating, you would never have come to the requested sample quantity for such analyse and stats. it’s not as scientific as it sounds of course, but with the experience you will learn to detect the type of girl that goes best with your own personality. the rest is just a matter of mutual respect and understanding, nothing more. don’t forget, the key to success is learning to detect the right girl.
yes, it will take years, but i’m simply helping to learn faster. if you can’t wait for that, let’s assume you have already started some spanish lessons, that you are open to latin culture and you have already some short sessions experience. this lesson will help to increase chances of real emotions during todo la noche.
first issue to face is again selection. during short session, it’s not a big deal. you did the wrong choice, never mind, fuck yourself out of the room even if you need to simulate orgasm, return to the bar and get the next one. for an all nighter, things are not that easy, you just have one choice. i can’t help you much in this as mutual chemistry is a personal matter. if you have not developed yet your own gfe sensor, one strategy is making a first selection through short session. it doesn’t work always, some promising girls during short sessions won’t necessary be much better during todo la noche.
some rely on time, come and visit the girls on a regular basis, develop some kind of friendship if not confidence with a girl before inviting her for a tln. it’s a good strategy for selection, but its not because she knows you for some time that you will be guaranteed for mutual chemistry. i guess you know plenty of women around you, you see on a daily basis, but you can’t even imagine having sex with. keep focused, on her attitude when she sees you again, on the way she watches at you when you are together.
but if you start to feel something special with a girl during previous short sessions, a good strategy is to date her for another day. it helps her to mentally prepare herself for a todo la noche. she will dress herself in a more convenient way and wait for you that evening, it makes a lot of difference than going for a todo la noche with a girl after she has already processed a couple of other customers before. it requires time however as you need several days to build up such strategy with a girl.
i usually don’t have that time in the same place and need to rely to my gfe sensor. i watch all girls in the club, their attitude and behaviour towards other girls and customers. i am not looking for the most beautiful, i simply try to find the one that will suit me most. don’t take me wrong, i am not saying that great looking girls are bad performers! just take care that you seam to match together. for example try to imagine yourself walking with her in the street, or look at a mirror if you are with her. it usually is obvious.
girls you notice first with silicon tits, sexy outfit, flashy make-up, confident if not aggressive approach are more likely to be since longer time in the business. they might be great performers, but they have learned over the years not to fall for emotions with customers.
i tend to watch for the wall flowers, the discrete girls who don’t speak a word of english, waiting to be approached. some have just started in this business, are homesick and lonely if abroad and far from family and deeply in need of emotional support. you can find some real gems among these girls.
one word about plastic surgery. it’s widely used in latin america as beauty is highly valued in these countries. however it remains a dream for most as they can’t afford it. hookers will even consider it as an investment and it’s the first expense they will make as soon as they have the money. natural tits are the most reliable clue to check if a latina is new in the business. funny is also to notice all those girls with braces in the brothels. it gives them a teenage look, but it’s simply that they just got the money to pay for orthodontic healthcare. a great smile and sexy tits, these are the main symbols of beauty for latinas. my opinion is that they don’t need plastic surgery, they should instead keep their money and make greater effort to try to loose weight. if the average latina had less fat, i guess i simply would become crazy for the overflow of choice. but each his own of course.
back to selection. let’s say you did the right choice. you have the right key, but you must now open the box with it. if you meet your soulmate, nothing may happen if you are not in the right environment and on the right moment. i usually tend to minimize the time in the bar and get her out of her working environment as soon as possible.
let’s get back to business first. the most important rule is that you must never ever pay the girl before. the only thing you cant’ avoid is the bar fine if there is one. i don’t like to negotiate pricing with a girl, but when there is no fixed pricing, the girl will not go for the night before a clear agreement. i usually don’t try to negotiate her pricing, for the fixed amount i try to get as much service as i can. i’m not the kind of guy making a list of the things i request such as dfk, bbbj, daty etc…it makes no sense anyway, i have nearly always managed to get what i want during the sessions from girls that had warned previously they don’t do this and that. it’s a matter of feeling, don’t talk about it, make her feel comfortable and get smoothly to it as you would do it with a regular girl. on the other hand, i negotiate usually the time we will stay together. i had been ripped off with my first tln in santo domingo, girls promising tln and leaving in the early morning after only a couple of hours together.
however i bring the subject in a very natural way. i ask her about what she likes to do and offer her to go for it and spend the night together. if she explains me that she would love to spend the night with me and have fun, but that she is here for earning money, i offer her to pay for compensation of the time she can’t work in the club. believe me, even hookers appreciate to be respected and seduced. latinas are proud. same for time negotiation. basically, she asks for let’s say 200$, i say ok, but we take breakfast together. she asks for 300$, i say ok, but it’s your day off, take your swimsuit, we spend all the day together and i bring you back the next evening before the clubs opens again.
let’s say you agreed to exit the club or for a meeting the next evening. next is to find what to do. the purpose of spending a whole night with a girl is not to bang her for 12 hours in a raw.
the purpose of tln is to enjoy company, go out in a natural environment and have fun together. one of the greatest thing is to enjoy the frustrated looks of other men who watch at your sexy latina and just don’t understand what such great girl is doing with the stupid asshole you are. yeah! you have always watched with envy the other women walking around, this time you are the one who fucks that sexy girl! it’s ok to have some primate instinct and be proud of your female trophy. but another very important thing is that it gives you the time to develop a special relationship with the girl before intercourse. keep focused on the goal, you try to get real emotions from the girl, so treat her as if she is a girlfriend.
where could you go? don’t make the mistake to bring her to an expensive restaurant. she won’t enjoy sitting without moving for hours in an unusual environment, dealing with unknown codes, eating strange food in company of a scary pervert trying to break silence with conversation of subjects she has no opinion about. believe me, she will probably appreciate much more a regular kentucky friend chicken or pizza hut.
another mistake to avoid is to walk around during daytime in the shopping area. what these girls love most is shopping. yes, it will make her happy, but it will make you poor too!
what these girls usually love are the glamorous places where everybody loves to watch and be watched such as nightclubs, casinos, bars at night , beaches and swimming pools of the main hotels on daytime. but best is simply to ask, some are fed up of the high level of music from her working environment and prefer a more quiet and relaxed place. just do in the same way as you would do with a girlfriend. you have to give her back her dignity for one night, making her forget her hooker status. it’s very important to be well dressed. a simple tshirt, cheap jean and sport shoes to try to look young is insulting for her. she wants to be proud to walk around with you. remember that dressing code and social status is highly valued in latin america.
here one of the most efficient strategy i have found although it is not always easy to implement. i have managed on several occasions to invite an escort (it’s the best definition) to join a group of friends or business relations for the evening and simply. what matters is that no one knows she is a hooker and that there are among them enough spanish speaking people to allow her to fully interact within the group. it’s amazing how these girls can easily play the role as long as you have explained her before how to act. in fact, she will play the character in such a way that she will simply forget she is a hooker, and that is exactly what you are looking for. the result is spectacular, and i mean even when you end up alone at the end of the evening. the “pretty woman” myth is very lively among latinas.
what do we talk about during the evening? the nice thing with a hooker is that these are maybe the only women you can be really yourself with and tell everything. it’s very comfortable of course, but i still don’t forget to focus on the goal and keep treating her as a usual girlfriend if you want her to be like that also later in bed.
i have usually a very confident attitude with these girls and don’t hide anything about my private life. interference is impossible as i monger only outside my home country. i still have learned not to tell about my marital status. a hooker doesn’t care of course, but hey, we are looking for the woman behind the hooker. it may sound strange, but marriage is sacred in latin america with a strong catholic culture. even hookers have strong catholic faith, just watch around for religious sign within a latin american brothel. prostitution on the other hand is considered less immoral than infidelity in marriage. prostitution is not a vicious attitude, it’s simply considered as a way to survive, nearly a sacrifice in the biblical sense to support family suffering from misery.
on the other hand, love for children is highly valued, it’s a good thing to talk about your children. if you act as a divorced man suffering from the distance with your children, you will touch her right in her heart. most of these girls are single mothers. usually, their children are raised my their parents for her to work abroad or in the city. she will have a lot to share about living far from children.
what you should know is that the classical prostitution scheme in latin america is very different from the western prostitution controlled by mafia, pimps and other human traffickers. most latina hookers have no men in their life and are emotionally vulnerable. they live for their family and kids. you should show yourself with great sense of responsibility towards your own kids, in contrast with the assholes that have left them alone raising and supporting their kids. additionally it may be of valuable help later to explain why you can’t commit yourself more with her if you feel you are loosing control of your relationship with her. but more about it in the next lesson.
other important thing with latinas, they are proud of their culture and country, especially when abroad. it’s insulting for her if you are not even able to point out on a map the country she comes from. i am passionate of latin america, and they love to feel that and share about it as they are homesick when abroad. it’s even stronger among colombianas as they have to face abroad the usual reputation about their country: violence, guerrilla and narco traffic. when they meet a foreigner who has fallen in love of their country, they feel as a patriotic duty to be grateful about it and do anything to please.
what does a latina look for with a man? it’s not difficult to find the answer, you just need to go to any meeting site such as [url]www.cybercupido.com[/url] and read their profiles. all latinas look for a sincere man, faithful, respectful and who will take care of her. they have all been through the classical disillusions of machos disappearing after having left her with the responsibility of raising alone a kid. the telenovelas are also a great source of understanding what the latinas dream of. the “principe azul”is usually a socially successful mature man that will take care of her. of course, we are not here for marital commitment. just remember that age is not an issue if not valued. don’t flash your money and try to impress her with that, you have to act as a successful responsible man who respect and take care of women. westerners have good reputation in the eyes of the latinas, europeans even better. but don’t believe they are looking for a visa to leave their country as in other third world countries. latinas love too much their family and country to leave.
enough theory, just relax, be yourself, have a good time with her and forget she is a hooker. i usually avoid physical contact during the evening till we are in the intimacy of a room. no need to grab her tits and ass in public, simply some natural physical contacts such as opening a door, helping her to stand up, protecting her while crossing the street. remember, there is only one exception when physical contact in public is highly valued, it’s dancing. with dancing skills you will score high in her books. a latina loves to dance and be leaded by a man as if she is a princess. she will also appreciate the efforts you have made to learn latin dancing, best proof of your passion for latin culture. it also allows her to feel comfortable with your physical contact in a very natural way. if men knew all this, they would make more efforts to try to learn dancing.
enough learned about each other, time for action now. back in your room, you have to make her feel comfortable, as you are now in your territory. latinas are usually well educated, they will not act as if they are at home unless you gave her that permission. explain if she can use the mini fridge, how tv works, where she can leave her clothes, where are the towels to take a shower and so on. i usually start to take a shower and she usually follows. i come back in the room with a towel around my waist, an eye blink to the german fkk.
a few things about safety. if you have paid a bar fine, there is usually no problem, she would be in deep trouble with the club owner if she fucked anything up. most hotels in latin america ask for id when you bring back a female visitor, there is sometimes even an additional charge. it’s again for your own safety. but if you have picked up a pro in a nightclub, don’t bring her in an anonymous love motel, nothing will guarantee your safety. there are a lot of stories of drugged tourists robbed during their sleep. take care especially if you are not used to travel in latin america. keep your valuables in your safe, lock your stuff in your luggage, don’t leave your glass unattended. i know some guys leaving the door key locked up in the safety box to avoid the girl from escaping during the night, but i would not be that paranoiac. rely simply on your instinct.
here we are now in bed. will you be able to get real emotions out of her? don’t put too much pressure on yourself, it will not depend very much of your performance in bed. i remember a movie, a little boy asks to a hooker if there is a spot you can make a girl turn crazy by touching it. the hooker replies that he shouldn’t dream too much about it. but at the end of the movie, she indicates him that spot: it’s her heart. yeah, that’s the trouble with women, even more with latinas, to get an orgasm, emotional stimulation is more important than physical stimulation. however here a few useful things you need to know about female orgasm, nothing specific to latinas even if most of what i have learned was through my experience with colombianas.
for years i believed that a hooker just couldn’t get an orgasm. of course, i was so convinced about it that i didn’t do anything to give it, there was no reason it would happen. i then learned that my personal attitude had a strong influence on the girl’s performance, so i started to take into consideration her comfort and pleasure. i still believed that it was impossible for a woman with a dozen sessions a day to enjoy sex and have an orgasm. i simply made the mistake to believe that female orgasm was similar to male orgasm. what you should know is that an orgasm is an issue for a hooker, as it prevents her from continuing working. a hooker learns to control her body and have sex without feeling anything. the less experienced hookers tend to give therefore mechanical service. the better providers have learned to hide they don’t feel anything and can act as if they are enjoying sex. however, when hookers take off their protection, they can again have an orgasm, no matter how many times she had sex before.
why do girls have an orgasm with only some customers and why can we give orgasms only to some girls ? it’s simply a matter of mutual chemistry between two persons. women need more feelings than men to enjoy sex. but those who learn to know better their body (hookers are in this category of girls of course)learn also to enjoy sex without feelings. still, even men just enjoy more sex with feelings. feelings are a major factor of success. mutual chemistry can be only physical, but is usually emotional and physical for females.
is there a way to get easier mutual chemistry through attitude? what matters most is to be sincere, respect and have empathy for your partner. there is a theory that we tend to love those who love us. girls are more open if you are open yourself. pnl theory is very interesting, communication specialists know what i mean. women are more sensitive to oral communication, which is usually not male’s best skill. but other senses can be important too, body smell, kiss taste, look in the eyes, skin feeling…optimise different senses stimulation, sex is not only about physical rubbing of both genitals. keep eye contact, talk to her in a calm slow voice, kiss her, manage to get her smell your skin, caress her tenderly….
are sexual skills important for giving an orgasm? yes, but it’s just one factor among others. for example a lot of girls seem to react very positively with daty. there are a few biological reasons for that. tongue and lips are soft organs compared to a boned finger or a penis wrapped in a condom. daty allows also better stimulation of the clitoris than with normal intercourse. there are probably also a few emotional reasons, with daty a man is in a position of submission, acting to give and not take pleasure. however, daty requires some experience to be effective. apart from intercourse, another stimulation is fingering or anal, but few girls respond positively, if not an extra charge.
i have learned to improve daty, but it has never mean my favorite option. when there is real chemistry, i’m too busy to kiss. my opinion is that female desire comes with kissing. females usually feel that kissing is more intimate than intercourse, some hookers even refuse to kiss, leaving it only for their private life.
intercourse skills can be widely improved trough experience: positions, time extension and orgasm control, adapting rhythm and intensity to the partners reactions…of course a premature ejaculator or someone suffering from erectile dysfunction will have trouble giving an orgasm, but no need to be a porn actor. watch out about what is shown in porn movies. it has no other goal than visually stimulating men, don’t take it as an example to try to give orgasm. porn shows you basically everything you shouldn’t do to please a woman. i have been intimate once with a porn actress. when i watched later one of her movies i realized how different she acted when making love and when fucking for a porn movie.
can’t get out of this orgasm faq without answering the usual male question about how important the penis size is to give an orgasm. surprise! it is important. but not the bigger the better. in fact it simply must fit the partner’s body. again, mutual chemistry.
how do we know if the woman has an orgasm? there is a natural suspicion towards hookers that they simulate orgasms. but most hookers won’t try to simulate orgasm unless you ask so. here a few personal stats. during my 200 first sessions, i had not given any orgasm and may be just 10 of them faked an orgasm, which proves that hookers do not usually simulate. after the first orgasm i managed to give, my stats became to improve. two years ago i managed to give orgasm to 1 hooker out of 10 or 20, now i believe i am close to 1 out of 5. there might be a few simulations but most of the time there are clues enough to prove it can’t be simulated. still, it’s not easy to detect a real female orgasm. each woman reacts different some have discrete orgasm, without any sound or sign while others have biological signs impossible to simulate. i remember that girl with her bright eyes full of energy when we made love and who had her eyelids falling right after her orgasm, that other girl with her skin becoming red, that other one the orgasm had trigged a sudden nipple erection and a chicken skin reflex. there is no greater pleasure than giving pleasure to a woman.
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Latinas are sexy, sensual, passionate and sensitive. That's why the experience you will get with a chica depends largely of the chemistry you will be able to build up with her. The purpose of this lesson is how to get GFE in a short session with a chica. The level is beginner’s level, no previous experience required, no language skill required. Sorry for the more experienced among you, but hey, we have all started as newbies.
First step, very important before heading to a club is body hygiene: take a shower, shave yourself, cut your nails, don’t drink alcohol or eat garlic. Dress clean and casual depending the class of club but don’t dress like a typical tourist: no shorts, no colourful shirt, no banana belt, no baseball cap....For your safety don’t bring any valuable except cash money. Don’t act as a gringo, come with local money, not US dollar and don’t speak any English. If it’s the only language you speak…well then keep your lips tight.
You enter the club, and usually the less beautiful girls will come approach before you got the time to look around with a clear "Fucky fucky". Even if she is an ugly barrakuda, never be rude with a girl offering you actually sex! Decline politely but firmly: "No, gracias". She will usually insist, so answer you want to rest before: "Qiero descansarme". She will insist asking why: "Porque?". Answer because you are tired "Porque estoy cansado". Most difficult is usually not to find a girl but to get rid of the girls you don’t want. If she insists by you don't want girls? "No quires Chicas?" answer this time you want a girl, but a girl in particular: "Quiero una chica, pero une chica en particular". This is usually very effective. There is a sort of chica rule to respect the customer of another chica, they fear catfight. She hen might try to help you find her and ask for her name. Just give any name and if she replies that there is not a girl with such a name : « No hay Carolina (or whatever) aqui », then just answer that’ it’s her real name: « Es tu verdadero nombre ». Chicas usually know only the artist names of their competitors.
It might sound a lot of effort simply to get rid of a chica, but it’s important. Never go with the first you can find, take your time to chose the right one. It’s also important to stay cool with each girl, you are building up a reputation for the evening in this club. Never avoid her look or turn your head, simply smile each time. Have a small talk even with girls that don’t fancy you. Act as if you are a regular, don’t look around as if it’s your first time. Don’t hesitate also to discuss with other customers. You will not only act as a regular, they might be of great help to get useful info. Other Westerners are usually glad to meet fellow travellers and locals are usually honoured to discuss with foreigners. Don’t forget also the staff, they won’t forget you at your next visit, especially if you tip them.
Take a beer or better a Coke at the bar by asking: "Quiro una cerbeza" or "Quiero una Coca Cola". Ask the price "Cuanto es?". Please at least try to learn from a phrasebook to count till 100. You will need this each time. At worst you might do hand signs, acting as if the music is too loud.
Once drinking at the bar, you have plenty of time to have a look around. The success depends mostly on the choice of the girl, so take your time. Check the physical appearance, imagine the body. Take care, they have learnt to hide their imperfections behind clothing and make-up, you have to be careful especially with the typical nightclub lighting. Apart from physical appearance, you can learn a lot about her personality trough her attitude towards other chicas and guests. « La cara es el espejo del alma », the face is the mirror of the soul. Don’t look only for beauty, the physical appearance express usually a good part of her attitude. Try to find the one that seems to match most with yourself, imagine for example yourself both together looking in a mirror. You can learn also a lot by the way she looks at you. Your judgment will become better and better with time and experience.
Usually the most beautiful girls will not approach you, you will have to make the first move. It might sound intimidating, especially if you don’t speak Spanish. But you are the one who has to keep control over the process. There is a magical opening sentence: "Hola chica!". If you recognize her from the last time, you can even add you are happy to see her again: "Me alegro de verte".
If it is the first time start the usual introducting questions. What's you're name: "Como te llamas?" My name is..."Me llamo...", How old are you "Cuanto anos tienes?" I'm ... "Tengo..anos" Again you need to count till 100 (well I hope to less). Where do you come from :" De Donde eres?" She will usually reply she is from Colombia "Soy de Colombia" and you will answer "Soy de ...". If she asks anything you can return the question: « Y tu ? ».
You can always check if she speaks other languages but don’t count too much on it: Hablas, Inglès ? ». If she asks for your Spanish level answer: « Poco ».
She might soon get the wrong impression you understand everything. Jus tell her « No entiendo » or ask to speak slower « Despacio por favor ». If you can’t find a word point it out and say « Como se dise… ».
You can communicate easily by using only words and verbs, the way you say it might be enough to replace a full sentence. For example: « Bailar ? » to invite her for a dance. There are some useful electronic translators, sometimes even software you can download on your mobile phone, chicas love these electronic stuff, especially mobile phones. It allows also to share pics and learn a lot from each other without speaking. Other nice sharing is music you can listen together on a mpeg reader. I have a PDAphone with GPS with all those stuff inside, but also electronic maps to show where I live and ask her to point out where she comes from.
Invite her for a drink, it makes her understand she can stay with you. In some clubs she will receive a tip for making a customer drink, at least she will not feel as if she is loosing of her precious time. Do you want to drink anything? « Quieres beber algo ? » Please « Por favor ».
Try to compliment her. I know, it sounds bullshit to you, but believe me any woman in world, even SW love to hear compliments. If it looks difficult to you, just imagine that everytime you give a compliment, her pussy is getting wet. Do it before, during and even after sex, unless you are just looking for quick sex. I'm presuming here that you are looking for GFE sex.
Your eyes turn me crazy "Tus oyos me vuelven loco"
You are the most beautiful girl here "Eres la chica mas guapa de aqui" At least I hope this is true, if you find another girl more beautiful, then go to see her.
I like your smile "Me gusta tu sonrisa"
I like your perfume "Me gusta tu perfume"
You have a wonderful body "Tienes un cuerpo bonito"
What a nice hair "Que pelo!"
Even if you have eyes only for her ass, don’t tell it to her, it’s too early for that. It’s a hooker, but it’s not only a hooker. Go slowly, when you will touch her for the first time on a non sexual related part of her body, tell her how sweet is her skin: « Tienes un piel muy suave ».
Try to become more personal, asking if her parents are in Colombia "Tus padres viven en Columbia", do you have children "Tienes hijos", do you have brother and sisters "tienes hermanos y hermanas?" are you married "Eres Casada?" She or you willl answer you have one boy and one girl "Tengo un hijo y un hija", you are married "estoy casado"
Don't make it look like a police investigation at that point you need to be sensitive and show compassion. Say that it is not easy working here and having her children there "No es facil trabajar aqui y tus hijos en Colombia". Believe me, she will appreciate it. Being far from her family and children is much harder than her job herself. It might be even the trigger for her to become more personal as you seem to understand her, at least what matters most for her. She might start to speak freely about herself. Your job is to listen. No matter if you don't understand everything, just look interested to what she is telling you and look her straight in her eyes, while you touch her very lightly any part of her body but a sexual zone.
If she feels you are not understanding anything, just apologize saying you were watching how beautiful she is « Lo siento, estoy mirandote, eres tan bonita ! ». Most important is to keep eye contact, don’t watch around for the other chicas! Touch her slightly avoiding any sexual related part of her body. It’s the NLP method, maximize your effect on her by using simultaneously oral, visual and contact communication. Don’t forget, it’s more important to listen to her than to speak. You might need from time to time to tell anything, try to learn in Spanish a funny story about yourself, it helps to fill the blanks.
After a while, she will bring you back to business and ask you to go to the room. Let her make that move, she will need to make it as she can’t discuss all night long. It’s not always useful to negotiate price, rememember, you are supposed to be a regular and know the price list. If there is any doubt, ask "Cuanto es?". Once again, you need to be able to count in Spanish. And here my best advice: never discuss the price she will give, discuss instead ask for the best service.
DFK ? « Beso con lengua ? »
BBBJ ? »Chupar sin condom ? »
Anal « Por el culo » ?
I never ask specifically for anything special. It’s hard for her to promise anything before she knows you, it will be much more easy to get it on a natural way without asking for it. I just make her understand that I’m looking for GFE« Cuidado, soy muy carinoso » . If she uses any word like "fucky...fucky", just correct her and reply you want GFE:"No quiero fucky fucky, quiero hacer el amor". Even if she looks surprised, or finds it funny, she will consider it on another way. You made it clear you didn't come only for a quick fuck like the usual customers, you want more. It’s good also to check she will take her time. Again, I ask it on a natural way, I’m not negotiating for an exact time. « No tenemos prisa, por favor despacio conmigo ».
Once in the room pay the asked price (once again, I hoped you have learned to count Spanish in order to avoid any problem at that point) and undress. At that point, if you expect GFE, I hope you took care to take a shower and have good breath. Else, you might ask her before if you can ask her bathroom (it is not standard, but they never refused it to me). "Puedo tomar una ducha?" and add that it will be nicer for her "Es mas agradable para ti tambien". You make it clear once again that you are trying to make her having a good time also.
When she is undressed, you defenitly have to give again a compliment."Que maravillosa!" as it is the most intimate moment, « Caliente ! » ou « Que guapa ! ».
Start smooth preliminaries, make a difference with the other customers by being very tender. Treat her like a princess. These first moments are very important for the rest of the session. Keep eye contact, never force anything. Kissing is not standard, but if you do it right you will rarely have any refusal. Get sometimes closer to her mouth, and as soon as you feel she will allow it, start to kiss. If you feel she is reluctant, don’t force it and try it later, don’t let her bring to the point that she needs to warn she doesn’t kiss. She needs to feel comfortable first, notice your oral hygiene. Look at her and touch her as if she is very precious.
Never enter your finger in her pussy before you are sure it is wet. It might hurt her, a pussy is very sensitive. Again don’t bring her to the point that she needs to tell you fingering is not standard. No need to go deep, clitoris is in the outer part of the pussy, on the top between the outer and the inner lips. check your biological school lessons again. Be careful, the clitoris is even more sensitive than the rest of the pussy. Let her guide you, each girl reacts on a different way. Don’t insist if she is doesn’t like it, you will ruin the rest of your session if you hurt her.
Performing DATY is rarely refused. If she refuses, there might be a good reason for it so don’t insist! Check carefully for hygiene before diving deeply in the plate. I’m not a huge fan of DATY, some girls don’t like to kiss after. On the other hand, DATY can be for other girls the only way of getting an orgasm, as fingers have bones and nails and penis don’t allow direct skin contact due to condom. The good thing about DATY is that is allows to lubricate the pussy, so she won’t need to put any lub. I hate when a girl comes with her lub tube. Performing DATY requires experience. You might find out for example that it’s more effective to stimulate a pussy using your lips than your tongue. But again, each girl is different.
Try to avoid her to start directly with a BJ, as she might try to go direct for intercourse as soon as she notices an erection. What I always refuse is let her put a condom. If she doesn’t want to do BBBJ, I have to respect this, of course, but then I rather prefer not to have a BJ. No way I will allow a condom during preliminaries. I know some of you need a BJ to get an erection. Just ask « puedes chuparme ».
As a reminder, as soon as the condom is on, intercourse will follow soon and as a matter of fact also the end of the session. To delay it when she tries to put the condom, just say : « Tenemos tiempo ».
Once you're ready for intercourse, let her put you the condom. Again don't let her put any lub. If she is worried about it, lick her pussy or spit on your finger and gently make her pussy wet.
If she still tries to put the lub, just tell her:: « No necessitas, seré muy suave ». Yu can’t blame her for being cautious, some guys act as if they are porn stars. If you feel she is comfortable enough, you can start intercourse on the missionary position. This will allow you to control the most sensitive part, the beginning. start very smoothly, as she needs to get wet by herself. Cowgirl might be also a good start as it allows to control herself the start. Once you feel she is wet enough, you can try all your favorite positions. The doggy style is "Perrito", if you want her to come on you ask "Puedes venir arriba". Take care all the time that she is also comfortable and that she also enjoys it. Try to check her reactions and adapt your position, rhythm or amplitude to it. Be sensitive and ask her also : "Te gusta?". If you did anything wrong, that made have hurt her or feel uncomfortable, « Lo siento ». Don't forget to compliment her sometimes, even small words like "Rica!" or "Me gusta mucho". Other useful words are slower « mas suave », or faster « mas duro ».
With all these efforts, you have probably reached your goal and you are having GFE. The rest is up to you. Just a few useful words for the end:
Orgasming « Terminar »
Tip « propina »
Good by « Adios »
Tahnk you « Merci Beaucoup »
Take care « Cuidate »
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I did my first mongering steps with the Colombianas in the Saint Maarten brothels. Mongering became a real passion, I tried the to discover as much brothels throughout the world as I could. I have had great adventures everywhere, I tried the major sex destinations such as Dominican Republic or Thailand, I visited world’s best brothels such as the German FKK and the Brazilian Termas, but I never felt as much at home as with my Colombianitas in the Caribbean brothels. I became a real Colombiana addicted and did my pilgrimage in each of these islands where these Colombianas go, not only Saint Maarten but also Curacao, Aruba, or Trinidad. I went through all different steps with them, learning how to get GFE, discovering I could get and give real emotions. The first time I discovered I could give an orgasm to a hooker was with a Colombiana. I have developed true friendship with several of them, keeping in touch trough Internet over the years. And of course I felt in love. Each monger will have to face it at least once in his career, I had this experience with a Colombiana. This experience brings all kind of questions as dating a hooker is a serious issue. I ended my pilgrimage in Colombia and felt in love of…a country. Once in Colombia, everything turned out real different. I wasn’t a monger anymore, I dated regular girls. I hadn’t dated girls for 20 years, I was glad that I did this experience again with Colombianas. It made me raise a lot of questions such as why paying if you can get much better for free? Am I still a monger? Colombia had a major impact in my life, it changed a lot of things in my personal and professional life. But sharing daily life with a Latina was the ultimate step that remained. It’s a strange experience. After having hunted throughout the world, the object of my research is now waiting for me each evening in my own home.
ISG has been as diary book for me. I could find back all the different steps of my learning curb with Latinas. Sharing experience is what it’s about on ISG. It helped me a lot and I hope I have helped others too. I had written a couple of years ago a Latina Rookie guide. I believed it could be useful to others to write everything I would have liked to know when I discovered Latinas myself. Since then, I have learned much more that could also be useful to others. Thanks to ISG I could find back each different level I went through during all theses years and have divided my guide in five chapters, each representing a different level in the learning phase of Chica management.
Don’t take my academical style too serious. I don’t pretend to be an expert in this field, I simply try to help others with what I have learned myself during all those years. I’m looking forward your reactions.
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Wow! What a guide you wrote there amigo!
I just skimmed through it all, but it seems very good. I will print it out and read it on a long flight to South America. Matter of fact, I fly to Brazil on Wed. , I'll read it all then on the flight.
I started my mongering in Centro America and still remember about 10 years ago when I finally visited for the first time Colombia and fell in love with the country, the culture and the chicas.
When reading through your guide, it's easy to see that you are an individual with the skills, the empathy and the heart to see the beauty of the Colombiana, apart from her physical beauty.
Guys should read and learn from your guide. However, one thing I have learned in my travels; not every guy wants to or is able to get into the hearts of these Colombianitas like you seem to have done.
It's cool that you wrote this guide. I don't have the writing skills or patience to write like you.
Bien hecho amigo!
R,
Thanks for your take.
Pelo is pubic hair. So you might try cabello when complimenting her hair.
Not quite, Tom.
"pelo púbico" is pubic hair.
In Latin American slang "el vello publico" can also be used to refer to pubic hair. "pelo" is just hair.
Routard,
All kidding aside, Your Chica Management report is very well written, and i enjoyed it. I remember, as well, those afternoons in 1994-95 at the Seamans Club, getting to know Colombianas.
I was thinking of heading to colombia and never been there. But wanted a little info. What are the prices for the girls? ex all night? 1 hour etc? and also what would be a better place to go? Bogata Medellin? or somwhere else?
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks fellas
[QUOTE=Tom 33]R,
Thanks for your take.
Pelo is pubic hair. So you might try cabello when complimenting her hair.[/QUOTE]I always understood vello to be pubic hair.
I think pelo can be interchangeable, though I'm not certain.
There are numerous spelling and grammatical errors in the written Spanish. When I find some time, I'll scan through the guide and PM some corrections which could be edited into the report. Unless someone beats me to it.
But let's applaud, this guide of Routard's is great! 5 stars for completeness.
It's a master class for any newbies.
Thanks so much Routard for taking the time and effort to write your series of posts. The sharing of your experiences and knowledge in a story form might very well be the best written piece EVER written on Latinas and how to approach and respect them. Just an outstanding job, and it was a real pleasure to read it.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]R,
Thanks for your take.
Pelo is pubic hair. So you might try cabello when complimenting her hair.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha.
Actually, when talking about a hair on the cabeza (head), cabello is the correct term, however, pelo does not specifically mean pubic hair. Pelo means hair.
Pelo can be used when talking about hair on your arms, legs, back, chest or pubic hair. Also can be used for hair in general ... for example ... "corte de pelo" is a haircut.
Buen dia amigo!
When I used pelo, a paisa corrected me as pelo was used to mean pubic hair whereas when I used the word in another country, it was just hair.
One of the best insightful reports that I have read. Well done
Pelo is just slang for "cabello". Your gf was just being a snot!
[QUOTE=Ricker]Pelo can be used when talking about hair on your arms, legs, back, chest or pubic hair. Also can be used for hair in general ... for example ... "corte de pelo" is a haircut.[/QUOTE]Correct. Maybe he meant a to compliment her chest hair?
Hey guys, as some of you may know, I've been visiting Colombia for a long time.
Recently though, my work has brought me to both Argentina and Brazil.
I still visit frequently and semi-live in Cali.
I say semi-live because though my main girlfriend lives in Cali (where I go for true love and we have an apartment, I am a vagabundo (vagabound) at heart and am always on the move. For work or exploring.
Anyway, I recently wrote an e-mail to a good friend of mine who asked me my opinion on the new cities I'm now visiting versus Colombia.
I apologize to those who don't care to read about either Argentina or Brazil on this Colombia forum, but I think it may be relevant to some who may like to read my take on the comparison of cities / countries.
Here's the email:
Hey mi amigo, nice to hear from you! Sounds like you had a wonderful time con tu noviacita in Colombia. Wish I could've hooked up with you guys. Actually I would've loved to see the fotos of the beautiful places you guys visited. Always nice to see. Ok. On to my experiences in Argentina and Brazil.
Remember, I've only been to each place a couple times now, for 2 days at a time. I'm no expert, but I'm a fast learner with mucha experiencia. I'll also be visitng both places with mucha frequencia for the forseeable future. Imagine that, every couple days visiting either Buenos Aires or Sao Paulo for 2 days at a time.
Am I a lucky cat or what? BUENOS AIRES: Amigo, this is a beautiful city. Like mixing Paris with South America.
I've only skimmed the surface, but what I see, I like.
If you love to sit in a sidewalk cafe sipping a morning coffee and chica watch, there are plenty of places.
If you like having a great, tasty meal, either in a simple outdoor cafe or a place mas elegante, they are plenty. And barrato (inexpensive). The city is full of old architecture and so much fun to explore. I really dig it.
The chicas I see in general are OK. I'd definitely say, you see more beauty walking about in Colombia, IMHO. You will, however, see some absolute stunning muchachas in BA.
I'd give Colombia the definite edge on average beauty, but to be honest, BA wins on the stunners.
Like I posted on the ISG, I believe I made love to the most beautiful chica I've ever been with on my first visit to BA. A natural blonde, bronze tan, sweetheart. Actually met her in an obscure privado. A new pro, but now mi amiguita. Can't wait to see her again, tommorrow! As far as the PFP scene goes. There are many venues for sure. From the expensive clubs to the lesser tier clubs, the many many privados (private apartments with several chicas avail), to the websites of escorts, newspaper ads, etc, there is much to choose from. From my limited BA experience so far though, is that there are many hardened pros. These chicas have seen many a gringo, and definitely know how to grab the pesos if allowed.
Speaking spanish and knowing the game, in BA is even more important than in Colombia or Venezuela, IMO.
I've visited the "gringo hangouts" and have talked with the chicas and the naive type gringos hanging out there.
I laughed, politely, at the offering prices they were asking initially and after chatting and charming them a bit, lowered the asking prices pretty good. I've even made a couple friendships with these chicas already. Overall, the city is much nicer IMO than any in Colombia. Medellin has the better climate though.
Plenty of PFP available. A bit more expensive than Colombia, not by much though.
I would give the Colombianita the definite edge on sweetness. Really hard to beat the sweet Colombiana.
The general people in BA are a bit more reserved than in Colombia. Very nice, but not as quick to open up to you.
In Colombia I've found, you can make a friend very quickly and easy, in BA it takes a bit more to open the people up. They are nice though.
I do love to hear the chicas speak that Argentine espanol though. Sounds pretty sexy. A lot more "shhhhhhh" in their espanol. "Hola, como te sshhhamas? " for example. SAO PAULO, Brazil: Let me put it like this. As much as I dig the city of BA, I love the people of Brazil! I only know Sao Paulo, Brazil but I imagine the rest of Brazil is similar as far as the attitude of the people go. Much more my style of people than in BA. Much more similar to the attitude of people in Colombia, especially the coastal cities of Colombia and Cali. You can make a friend in a minute. Fits my personality. The city is not nearly as nice as BA, IMO. It's like NY city but with much sexier women walking about and available.
Don't get me wrong, the city is nice, nicer than most in Colombia, but not on level with BA. The chicas. I absolutely love. What I really like is all the shapes and sizes and colors of the chicas. From black to white and all in between, I love it! (BA being very much on the light skin). Like I posted earlier on the ISG, I've been with many many women, many beauties in my travels, but I am wowed by the Brazillian garrotas (chicas). In my limited and new experience with them, I am hooked by their absolute love and energy for great sex. I have not had a less than fantastic time yet with a Brazilera. I'd once again give Colombia the nod for general beauty walking the streets, but by a long shot give Brazil the most sexy award. As far as the PFP goes, again many venues in Sao Paulo, could get pretty expensive if you visit the upscale clubs.
Once again I'll say, that's not my style (upscale, high priced) though fun to check out to see if you may be able to schmooze a chica for her phone number for later. I've always found, if a chica digs ya, she digs ya. High priced Pro or not.
I'm, however, the seeker of gems.
In the small hidden places, and once again I hit gold in Sao Paolo.
Actually twice already. Found one sexy beauty in a small prive and another in a lower end sauna. Both loved me like a long lost boyfriend coming home from the war Speaking of the saunas. That is fun! Nothing like it in Colombia.
I loved chatting with the chicas, learning portugues, they enjoyed converting my espanol to portugues, making out with several garrotas (they seem to love kissing), and of course, some GREAT sex! I dig the Brazilera so much, that I am intensifying my studying of portugues. My espanol is pretty good and I really want to learn to schmooze now in portugues. OVERALL: For the nicest city, most to explore and feel the European flavor, as well as plenty of avail PFP. BA of course. For the sexiest chicas on the planet IMHO and the best energy sex IMHO and some real nice, open people. Sao Paulo, Brazil For the sweetest chicas and to fall in love, it's hard to beat the sweet Colombianita. As much as a Brazilera is born to screw your lights out, the Colombiana is born to love and take care of you. Have fun! We'll talk soon amigo. Keep in touch.
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[QUOTE=Madd Love]I was thinking of heading to colombia and never been there. But wanted a little info. What are the prices for the girls? ex all night? 1 hour etc? and also what would be a better place to go? Bogata Medellin? or somwhere else?
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks fellas[/QUOTE]For a holiday-cartehena (warm, beaches, loads of girls)
For pure mongering-Bogota
Or in Colombia already? Seems like Colombia is on the brink of war with Venezuela and Ecuador. I was wondering, if you are in Colombia already, what is the general census and feeling and setiment overall within the locals and/or towards gringos? Also if you plan to travel recently do you have any reservations? I am scheduled to travel this weekend and am worried that the commercial airlines will stop service to and from Colombia during war and I would get stuck there. Oh yeah, Im also worried about dodging bullets in the streets. lol
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The Alcaldes office finally posted the official dates for the 2008 Flower Festival (Feria de las Flores) as being August 1st- August 10th.
Better start making your reservations soon if you plan to attend. Look for a small increase over normal prices for most places.
You can find out more at [url]www.medellintravelguide.com/medellin_flowerfestival.html[/url] There are links to some videos from last years Cabalgata during the festival.
Sandman
I plan on heading to Colombia in July.
Which city is best for beach, mongering, and nightlife between Cartagena or Barranquilla?
Which city is best for mongering, nightlife, and safe between Bogota, Medellin, or Cali?
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Or in Colombia already? Seems like Colombia is on the brink of war with Venezuela and Ecuador. I was wondering, if you are in Colombia already, what is the general census and feeling and setiment overall within the locals and/or towards gringos? Also if you plan to travel recently do you have any reservations? I am scheduled to travel this weekend and am worried that the commercial airlines will stop service to and from Colombia during war and I would get stuck there. Oh yeah, Im also worried about dodging bullets in the streets. lol
[url]http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_941.html[/url][/QUOTE]Colombia is on the brink of another burst of hot air from Chavez, no more, I suspect.
What's more of concern is if the farc are planning reprisals. If so, it could get nasty. Think car bombs, grenades thrown into bars, attacks on shopping malls.
It wouldn't stop me from visiting but I would exercise a certain restraint.
The good news is it might make Santa Fe safer than P 93!
[QUOTE=Romello]I plan on heading to Colombia in July.
Which city is best for beach, mongering, and nightlife between Cartagena or Barranquilla?
Which city is best for mongering, nightlife, and safe between Bogota, Medellin, or Cali?[/QUOTE]1) Cartagena
2) Bogota-you have parque 93, the Zona Rosa, Santa Fe and a multitude of other casas.
Santa Fe really isn't any more dangerous than 93 as it stands now anyways. No paseos millionarios happen in Santa Fe.
[QUOTE=Romello]I plan on heading to Colombia in July.
Which city is best for beach, mongering, and nightlife between Cartagena or Barranquilla?
Which city is best for mongering, nightlife, and safe between Bogota, Medellin, or Cali?[/QUOTE]There is no beach in BAQ, and it bears little comparison to CTG.
Cali is not safe. Stay away. BOG and MDE both have lots to offer. BOG is colder, as in bring a jacket. If you don't know Colombia well, especially if you don't speak Spanish well, limit yourself to CTG.
[QUOTE=Ricker]As much as a Brazilera is born to screw your lights out, the Colombiana is born to love and take care of you.[/QUOTE]Great analysis, Ricker. Can't agree more.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]There is no beach in BAQ, and it bears little comparison to CTG.
Cali is not safe. Stay away. BOG and MDE both have lots to offer. BOG is colder, as in bring a jacket. If you don't know Colombia well, especially if you don't speak Spanish well, limit yourself to CTG.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the input.
[QUOTE=Routard]Great analysis, Ricker. Can't agree more. [/QUOTE]Well, I finally read thoroughly the Routard report / guide on Chica Management.
Very well written. Brought back lots of memories.
I'm sure I have graduated through all levels he discussed.
I do have to say that I've met some great chicas working as pros. Some have ended up as girlfriends and others as friends.
Anyway, I agree with nearly everything in his guide. Seems like the guide was geared towards meeting chicas (pros) in brothels, like those Colombian brothels in the Carribean.
Though the concepts remain basically the same when seeking and dating these chicas in Colombia itself, there are differences.
The main difference being that the chicas working in these Carribean brothels are almost imprisoned, having to pay fines if late, no show etc.
The chicas you meet in Colombia are free to do whatever they want. Much easier and much less expensive to get TLN in Colombia. No multas to pay.
As a matter of fact, it's easy to get the TLN for free.
If you treat these chicas right and they really dig you, you can easily move from client to amigo / semi-novio or even novio if you want.
Done it many many times.
Still doing it
I do disagree with the assessment that the chicas in Colombia from African origins will be more materialistic and less sensitive regarding feelings (page 1 of Level 2) I've found that to be absolutely not true.
As a matter of fact I've found the "lighter skin" chicas of Medellin to be the most materialistic of all.
And my latest "dark skin" Colombian beauty is the most sensitive I've had in Colombia.
I also think it's funny the part about Westerners have a good reputation, Europeans EVEN better.
I think senor Routard must be from Europe
Truth is, Westerners in general are held in high regard.
I've actually heard from my Colombian friends that some europeans can be a bit "colder" in personality.
Whatever, just was funny for me to read that in the guide
I LOVED the part about GPS (Girlfriend Pussy Sensor). Right on amigo.
A good monger, chica seeker, chica lover, etc must develop this sixth sense to be successful.
Funny thing happen to me the other day. I was in a club in Buenos Aires, Argentina. A beautiful, sexy chica entered the club. She semed different. Her walk, her smile, her sexiness.
I said to my buddies that she must be Colombian.
The chica heard me and smiled, approached me and said "como sabias? " (how did you know? )
I just smiled and said "no es dificil, las Colombianas son las mas bellas del mundo"
That was my GPS at work
Great guide! Thanks and Good Luck senor!
PS. Also funny, your espanol for THANK YOU on page 4 is MERCI BEAUCOUP
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[QUOTE=Ricker]Well, I finally read thoroughly the Routard report / guide on Chica Management. Anyway, I agree with nearly everything in his guide.[/QUOTE]There is no better compliment coming from the expert you are!
[QUOTE=Ricker]I do disagree with the assessment that the chicas in Colombia from African origins will be more materialistic and less sensitive regarding feelings (page 1 of Level 2) I've found that to be absolutely not true.[/QUOTE]Good to hear, I guess I have this feeling due to a few personal bad experiences.
[QUOTE=Ricker] I also think it's funny the part about Westerners have a good reputation, Europeans EVEN better.[/QUOTE]As far as I could experience it, they don't make a difference between Europeans or Americans in Latin America, both being referred as gringos. There is only one difference, when it comes to political opinions, there are sometimes some strong anti-US opinions.
[QUOTE=Ricker] Also funny, your espanol for THANK YOU on page 4 is MERCI BEAUCOUP[/QUOTE]Hehe! the first version of my Chica Guide was on a French forum for a French friend who was deeply in need of help. I guess I have missed a few translations.
Thanks for your input Ricker.
[QUOTE=Routard]There is no better compliment coming from the expert you are!
As far as I could experience it, they don't make a difference between Europeans or Americans in Latin America, both being referred as gringos. There is only one difference, when it comes to political opinions, there are sometimes some strong anti-US opinions.
Thanks for your input Ricker.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha. Wouldn't exactly say I was an expert, I've just got lots of experience.
You're right on about the politics though, but even more true in other S. American countries apart from Colombia. Colombia being the most alligned politically with the US. I'm in Brasil at the moment.
From the get go, I let them know that I'm a lover not a fighter Un gringo dulce.
Take care mi amigo! Good luck out there!
This is nothing new, at times is gets worse. Look what happened to Nixon when he was VP, when he visited the shithole known as Venezuela in the 1950's, he was pelted with food and threatened. It gets stoked more by the European media these days, which is not surprising since the european elite deep deep down hate americans, always have and always will. The thing that is so stupid is that americans are too blind to see this and the democrats want to be in the good graces of Brussels again, what the fuck for? Chavez will see the same fate as Allende did in due time.
In Colombia I do not think it is hatred, like it is in Venezuela, but resentment and a feeling that americans owe them something. This seems to be more pronounced among the poor. Many colombians think that we have a money tree in our backyards that we water and then pick the bills from its branches.
I have been a member of this forum for about 4 years and I would like to know why no one uses the hostels systems to go to places like Manzales or Piera or even Medellin.
I have seen a lot of the for about 20 dollars.
2# how is the monger with older woman there around 30 and above I have not heard much.
Just asking,
Tom
IMHO the reason why europeans are more "intriguing" - the are less in colombia than americans! Further, the US is known by TV or maybe personal, while europe is so much away.
Everytime I owned I am german I get positive feedback at all. Also there are f.e. german schools in colombia, arts interchange and many more. And, sadly to say, after 1945 a lot germans headed to south america, undesired in germany but welcomed in SA and they brought a lot of good things.
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]...since the european elite deep deep down hate americans, always have and always will.
...americans are too blind to see this and the democrats want to be in the good graces of Brussels again, what the fuck for?
... a feeling that americans owe them something. This seems to be more pronounced among the poor. Many colombians think that we have a money tree in our backyards that we water and then pick the bills from its branches.[/QUOTE]I don't know where to start with this! Since when did Europeans hate Americans? (I assume you mean US Americans? Or are you extending that to the inhabitants of two continents?) Sure there are some, but xenophobia is alive and kicking back home too last time I checked.
I ain't seen much evidence that the Democrats cow-tow to Brussels but Europe's certainly a large economic block now that any government wanting to enhance trade would ignore at its peril.
And finally something with relevance to Colombia: Many poor don't hate US citizens exclusively. They hate *all* ricos equally, regardless of race, color, creed, or nationality. Its a very disempowering attitude as its logical conclusion is that they can't do anything their own economic situation, so they don't.
I did not say all Europeans hate citizens of the USA, but certainly the European elites and European media do. The constant bashing of the american people, american laws, is overboard and quite frankly I am sick of it. After Bush leaves in 2009, nothing will change, they will still hate us.
I did not say colombians hate us, but resent us, and your analysis is spot on as to why. Where as Venezuela has been hostile to americans since the 1950's.
Trendy Andy,
You may be on to something, but there are probably more Germans in Argentina, paraguay and Urugray than Colombia. Yes more gringos in Colombia.
I have been following the recent posts to this thread, and I decided to offer the opinion of a contrarian.
Routard's series is excellent and I agree with almost all of it. I want to emphasize the bottom line, however. The bottom line is that you will not know what Routard knows until you speak Spanish. The ability to speak Spanish will increase both the quantity and quality of your experiences with Colombian women beyond your wildest imagination.
Colombian men are experts at telling women what they want to hear. Likewise, Colombian women are experts at telling men what they want to hear. Colombian women do not prefer European men over American men. Furthermore, Colombian women do not prefer American men over Colombian men. I hate to burst some egos around here, but that's the truth.
Like women everywhere on Planet Earth, Colombian women prefer successful men over unsuccessful men. There are more beautiful women in the world than successful men, especially in Colombia. Furthermore, Colombia is an extremely elitist society.
Colombian women will say that they prefer foreign men for three simple reasons. First, that's what foreign men want to hear. Second, foreign men in Colombia are more likely to be financially successful than Colombian men. Third, successful Colombian men do not take poor Colombian women seriously no matter how beautiful a particular Colombian woman may be.
Colombian women prefer Colombian men over foreign men. Colombian women prefer men from South America over men from North America. Colombian women prefer North American men over European men. Colombian women prefer European men over Asian men. And so on and so forth. Again, I hate to burst any egos but that's the truth.
Fortunately, these geographic preferences are far less of a priority for Colombian women than the universal preference of global women everywhere for successful men over unsuccessful men.
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[QUOTE=Client 9]Colombian women prefer Colombian men over foreign men. Colombian women prefer men from South America over men from North America. Colombian women prefer North American men over European men. Colombian women prefer European men over Asian men. And so on and so forth. Again, I hate to burst any egos but that's the truth.
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I've been going to Colombia for years, many years, and I have many Colombian friends, male and female, and have had many girlfriends. My spanish is very good.
Your observations IMHO are way off. Not sure how you came to those conclusions about Colombian chicas preferring South American men, etc.
I do agree with the part about speaking spanish though. It absolutely opens doors and makes the whole experience so much better.
Take care
[QUOTE=Client 9]Like women everywhere on Planet Earth, Colombian women prefer successful men over unsuccessful men. There are more beautiful women in the world than successful men, especially in Colombia. [/QUOTE]It's one of the keypoint of my chica management guide. Excellent input.
It took me days of efforts to write down all I had learnt about Colombianas in a useful guide, and I feel sorry to read that it's used just to start an irrelevant transatlantic confrontation. Hey, read it gain, and use it instead to get the ultimate experience: una Colombiana enamorada.
[QUOTE=Ricker]Hmmmm. You must be visiting a different Colombia than me then.
I've been going to Colombia for years, many years, and I have many Colombian friends, male and female, and have had many girlfriends. My spanish is very good.
Your observations IMHO are way off. Not sure how you came to those conclusions about Colombian chicas preferring South American men, etc.
I do agree with the part about speaking spanish though. It absolutely opens doors and makes the whole experience so much better.
Take care[/QUOTE]Hello Ricker,
No, I'm going to the same Colombia you do. I've been traveling to Latin America (including Colombia) for 15 years. I also have lived and worked in multiple American cities with significant Colombian populations. I speak Spanish very well. I have had countless Colombian girlfriends, friends, neighbors, coworkers, etc. I feel my conclusions are accurate, and I'll explain why because you seem interested.
First, Colombian women prefer men that speak their language. Do most North American men speak Spanish fluently? Do most South American men speak Spanish fluently?
Second, Colombian women prefer men that understand their culture. Do most North American men understand Latino culture in general or Colombian culture in particular? Do most South American men understand Latino culture?
Third, Colombian women prefer men that can dance salse and merengue. Do most North American men dance salsa and merengue? Do most South American men dance salsa and merengue?
Fourth, Colombian women do not prefer men that wear cowboy boots, sandals, cargo shorts, tanktops, baseball hats, cowboy hats, etc. How do North American men dress? How do South American men dress?
Do I need to continue? Ricker, do you agree or disagree?
Again, Colombian women prefer Colombian men over foreign men. However, this is virtually irrelevant. Why? Because of far greater priority to Colombian women is the preference for successful men over unsuccessful men. There are very few successful men in Colombia, but there are many beautiful women in Colombia. Those same beautiful Colombian women seek foreign men due to the lack of successful Colombian men in Colombia. Furthermore, most successful Colombian men rarely take poor Colombian women seriously no matter how beautiful a particular poor Colombian woman may be.
Ricker, I have explained my conclusions. Please explain why you conclude that Colombian women prefer North American men over South American men. I am interested in your explanation.
Thanks Ricker.
[QUOTE=Routard]It's one of the keypoint of my chica management guide. Excellent input.
It took me days of efforts to write down all I had learnt about Colombianas in a useful guide, and I feel sorry to read that it's used just to start an irrelevant transatlantic confrontation. Hey, read it gain, and use it instead to get the ultimate experience: una Colombiana enamorada.[/QUOTE]I would agree. It's doesn't matter your nationality or colour or religeon. If you treat a woman good. And have MONEY they ALL will like you
Knowing spanish and having "dinero"opens all doors and most pussies
Lets just keep that in mind.
My 2 cents.
Johan
Gents,
I am glad, that beside the ". How many girls I have fucked in Colombia. " there is space for some serious discussion like this.
What is the most important in every culture when men and women concur? First: age Second: looks
Of course there a girls, who like to be with much older guys like father complex or who knows. Otherwise why they prefer older guys over younger guys is the material status and probably loyalty. Young, good looking and rich. That's what women desire is, Colombia is no exception.
Nonetheless the mayority of colombianas like to stay with gringos, from US or europe, anyway. Why? Because we are DIFFERENT! We are not better, nor more bad, we are just different! Different in looks, behavior and settings. Call us exotic, if you want so. Summary: Don't try to imitate colombians or brazilians or whomever. Be yourself. It's not a panacea but I have still good success with that.
Indeed, when ist comes to marriage, founding a family or similars normally everybody knows contrasts are not benefits. Commonalities attract!
[QUOTE=Client 9].... Fourth, Colombian women do not prefer men that wear cowboy boots, sandals, cargo shorts, tanktops, baseball hats, cowboy hats, etc. How do North American men dress? How do South American men dress? ....[/QUOTE]Hahahaha. Well, how can I argue with that?
I guess I should preface my statement with: In my experience with las Colombianas, whether they have been friends or novias, many have expressed their desire to meet a serious North American man.
Not one has expressed her desire to meet a cowboy boot, big buckle, sandle, cargo short, sideway baseball hat wearing guy Of course not.
Basically for la Colombiana, seems the most desireable trait in a man is his fidelity. Of course a man's ability to provide is pretty high up there too, but fidelity is what they dream of.
ALL South American men are famous for their INFIDELTY.
North American men are generally thought of as gentle, kind and faithful to their woman. Just as most Colombianas think that the typical gringa is cold and not loving.
Every Colombiana I've ever met would choose a faithful, serious man over one who can spin them around on the dance floor. In a heart-beat!
You are correct amigo. I'm only referring to serious guys. Guys who speak or who are at least learning spanish, and not the stupid tourist type like you described.
That's my take amigo. The truth is probably somewhere in between.
Take care!
[QUOTE=Client 9]There are very few successful men in Colombia[/QUOTE]Sorry, this is just _so_ wrong. There are loads of successful men in Colombia, and most professionals live a much more comfortable life then comparable North Americans or Europeans.
Case in point? When you're looking for an apt to buy or rent in Colombia, how many come with a room for a live-in maid?
For those who do have the itch to escape, it was explained to me thusly by a young Colombian filly:
The poor have the sueño mexicano.
The lower-middle classes have the sueño nor-americano.
The upper-middle classes have the sueño europeo
I actually think that's a bit simplistic, but I see what she means.
All subjects are realative and nothing is 100%
But I have to agree with client#9, and dissagree with ricker, however there are MANY "gringos" like ricker who do very well with colombian ladies, and I am going to go out on a limb and say this but I think "gringos" who behave and act like latin men do better then those gringos who continue to keep a "american style about them" those who are very good spanish speakers and suavy with the women do very well, in addition to haveing money and being physically fit and look well.
This fantasy that any gringo can come to Colombia and get any girl he wants is just that fantasy. Women here despit saying that colombian men treat them horrible will always long for a man of the country who can dance, speak and belive in that same values and lived the same lifestyle they live, many women here in order to live a better lifestyle will date and even marry a gringo, and the quality of the relationship is based on the conduct of the two invloved.
[QUOTE=Client 9]Hello Ricker,
No, I'm going to the same Colombia you do. I've been traveling to Latin America (including Colombia) for 15 years. I also have lived and worked in multiple American cities with significant Colombian populations. I speak Spanish very well. I have had countless Colombian girlfriends, friends, neighbors, coworkers, etc. I feel my conclusions are accurate, and I'll explain why because you seem interested.
First, Colombian women prefer men that speak their language. Do most North American men speak Spanish fluently? Do most South American men speak Spanish fluently?
Second, Colombian women prefer men that understand their culture. Do most North American men understand Latino culture in general or Colombian culture in particular? Do most South American men understand Latino culture?
Third, Colombian women prefer men that can dance salse and merengue. Do most North American men dance salsa and merengue? Do most South American men dance salsa and merengue?
Fourth, Colombian women do not prefer men that wear cowboy boots, sandals, cargo shorts, tanktops, baseball hats, cowboy hats, etc. How do North American men dress? How do South American men dress?
Do I need to continue? Ricker, do you agree or disagree?
Again, Colombian women prefer Colombian men over foreign men. However, this is virtually irrelevant. Why? Because of far greater priority to Colombian women is the preference for successful men over unsuccessful men. There are very few successful men in Colombia, but there are many beautiful women in Colombia. Those same beautiful Colombian women seek foreign men due to the lack of successful Colombian men in Colombia. Furthermore, most successful Colombian men rarely take poor Colombian women seriously no matter how beautiful a particular poor Colombian woman may be.
Ricker, I have explained my conclusions. Please explain why you conclude that Colombian women prefer North American men over South American men. I am interested in your explanation.
Thanks Ricker.[/QUOTE]
I want to add that women ALSO are very unfaithfull all over SA; in fact allover the world (except maybe for some retard extrem muslim countries)
You guys realy think only MEN are (can be) unfaithfull?
WRONG! I am sick and tired to hear on most internet sites that the women keep whining about the fact that men cheat on them. There are probably as much women that cheat on their guy aswell.
I know enough Brazilians, Colombians and Dominican women that are UNFAITHFULL to their spouses. In fact in most cases they cheat on eachother!
With all respect lets get REAL here
Johan
[QUOTE=Client 9]Hello Ricker,
No, I'm going to the same Colombia you do. I've been traveling to Latin America (including Colombia) for 15 years. I also have lived and worked in multiple American cities with significant Colombian populations. I speak Spanish very well. I have had countless Colombian girlfriends, friends, neighbors, coworkers, etc. I feel my conclusions are accurate, and I'll explain why because you seem interested.
First, Colombian women prefer men that speak their language. Do most North American men speak Spanish fluently? Do most South American men speak Spanish fluently?
Second, Colombian women prefer men that understand their culture. Do most North American men understand Latino culture in general or Colombian culture in particular? Do most South American men understand Latino culture?
Third, Colombian women prefer men that can dance salse and merengue. Do most North American men dance salsa and merengue? Do most South American men dance salsa and merengue?
Fourth, Colombian women do not prefer men that wear cowboy boots, sandals, cargo shorts, tanktops, baseball hats, cowboy hats, etc. How do North American men dress? How do South American men dress?
Do I need to continue? Ricker, do you agree or disagree?
Again, Colombian women prefer Colombian men over foreign men. However, this is virtually irrelevant. Why? Because of far greater priority to Colombian women is the preference for successful men over unsuccessful men. There are very few successful men in Colombia, but there are many beautiful women in Colombia. Those same beautiful Colombian women seek foreign men due to the lack of successful Colombian men in Colombia. Furthermore, most successful Colombian men rarely take poor Colombian women seriously no matter how beautiful a particular poor Colombian woman may be.
Ricker, I have explained my conclusions. Please explain why you conclude that Colombian women prefer North American men over South American men. I am interested in your explanation.
Thanks Ricker.[/QUOTE]Like a previous comment posted earlier, none of those questions on the list are relevant if you treat a woman good and have money thats all you need. Thats all a woman wants to be treated good in all ways. And everything will follow if you like her and she likes you. She will want to learn your culture and you will want to know hers. Those questions seem anti American/ anti Espanol.
Under the flag of the above let me only report my own experiences and observings.
Primary: Money is not an asset in SA, money is a condition! When you take out girls, you have to pay for food, drinks, clubbing and similars. Regardless of being gringo or latino.
The mayority of the girls are nosy. I remember my first time in "Mango´s", Medellin years ago. It happened 3 or 4 times groups waved me over to ask: de donde eres? Beyond that one time 2 girls waved me over to feed me with drinks! Both married, their husbands beside. My question, why one of the girls act aroud with their cell I get the answer: we call over a a friend who is single, porque no tienes novia - estar solo no es bueno. O.k., all that happend before the increase of gringos.
In Medellin and Cartagena I was approached by girls who asked me, if I do allow fotos of me and together with them. Of course affirmed but asked why. The answer was: porque eres lindo.
So, IMO it is not correct to say don´t fool yourself with non-pros or semi pros. It should called better don´t fool yourself while take a look in the mirror! Young, goodlooking and stylish that´s not the only way to score, but it´s the easiest way.
Finally: Of course everyone is cheating each other. But women are in a more weak position. Have laughed a lot about baseball caps and cargo pants. About that thing I am pretty sure; colombian men are not popular because of their style.
Cut and paste from the Quito board.
[QUOTE=Ezinho]
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[b]Someone is ruining Club 122[/b]
Just a quick update regarding Club 122. Last Monday, Tung and I were there in the afternoon and the place was, for whatever reason, packed with gringos. I mean, multiple groups of them. Tung joked that fichas would be raised to $10 the next day. But for me, OK, no problem, there's enough eight dollar pussy to go around, right? Fine by me.
So, I take up Karla, a petite, dark skinned girl from the coast. How about some photos? No face and no nude pics, because she knows about the internet. Apparently, some guy made a sex video of her and posted it on the internet. Then she laughs at my $1 propina offer, saying gringos give her much more. Finally had to convince her that I would give her some repeat business if she would give me a couple of tame, faceless photos.
Then, I take up a black girl from GYE, she denies photos. Then, I ask about her coming over to my place after work. Well, a gringo offered her $100 for TLN so she won't budge from that. Thanks a lot, John Q. Smith.
So, is Quito going the way of CR, DR and Rio? I don't know. I don't think so, but something is definitely changing. Just to put it in perspective, I've probably met more ISGers in the last four weeks here in Ecuador than in the last four years I've been a member of this site!
Just some food for thought.[/QUOTE]It's the age old debate. Does posting information lead to the deterioration of a mongering location? We all have our own opinions.
If you've recently been to a great mongering spot somewhere in Colombia, and you don't see it written about on ISG. Ask yourself "why? " before you go ahead and rave about it here on the forum. Please!
I disagree. Most Colombian men that go out dress much nicer than American men. The women like you because you are different. People like something they are not use to. Don't you remember in high school there would always be a good looking foreign exchange student that everyone wanted to bang? The grass is always greener.
[QUOTE=Trendy Andy]About that thing I am pretty sure; colombian men are not popular because of their style.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Trendy Andy]Young, goodlooking and stylish that´s not the only way to score, but it´s the easiest way.[/QUOTE]Probably. But old, fat, balding, and as ugly as a train wreck still got me more (non-pro) pussy than I could cope with, so those like me don't need to give up just yet!
[QUOTE=Johan007]I want to add that women ALSO are very unfaithfull all over SA; in fact allover the world (except maybe for some retard extrem muslim countries)
You guys realy think only MEN are (can be) unfaithfull?
WRONG! I am sick and tired to hear on most internet sites that the women keep whining about the fact that men cheat on them. There are probably as much women that cheat on their guy aswell.
I know enough Brazilians, Colombians and Dominican women that are UNFAITHFULL to their spouses. In fact in most cases they cheat on eachother!
With all respect lets get REAL here
Johan[/QUOTE]Well, unfortunately I have to AGREE with Johan here. Hahaha.
I'm in Sao Paulo, Brazil at the moment. Yesterday I was with 2 Brazillian girls that I had met the previous week. One in the early afternoon, and one in the noche (night)
Both of these chicas had live-in boyfriends, and with each one, when we were resting in bed together, their respective boyfriends called and they said they were shopping or visiting friends.
They said their boyfriends were good men and did not want to leave them but they were not so good at the love making. One boyfriend was a French guy. Imagine that. I guess that negates the myth of the Frenchmen
Is it my fault I'm such a charming, sensitive guy and thoughtful lover? . Hahhaha
I do feel a little guilty, but I guess Johan is right. It's a crazy world. Hard to turn down almost free loving, and no commitment.
Take care amigos.
[QUOTE=Cachorro]Cut and paste from the Quito board.
It's the age old debate. Does posting information lead to the deterioration of a mongering location? We all have our own opinions.
If you've recently been to a great mongering spot somewhere in Colombia, and you don't see it written about on ISG. Ask yourself "why? " before you go ahead and rave about it here on the forum. Please![/QUOTE]Well said amigo.
I loved going to Medellin before it became popular!
Do I still enjoy it? Of course! But it was much better and cheaper before.
Imagine Loutron, the exclusive massage casa in Poblado, was expensive in my eyes just a few short years ago at 80k pesos. Hahaha.
San Diego of Medellin was a place where you could find some real gems for cheap. It's a bit different now eh?
I still have one place I go to in Medellin where I believe I am the only gringo to step foot in. Should I post about it here?
Well, I have to keep one place where I can still feel special.
I'm sure it will eventually be discovered.
I am pretty good friends with one of the owners of the Mansion / Castillo in Medellin. He says, Medellin sure isn't what it used to be with all the gringos coming in, but man is it good for business!
Take care
[QUOTE=Ricker]Well said amigo.
I loved going to Medellin before it became popular!
Do I still enjoy it? Of course! But it was much better and cheaper before.
Imagine Loutron, the exclusive massage casa in Poblado, was expensive in my eyes just a few short years ago at 80k pesos. Hahaha.
San Diego of Medellin was a place where you could find some real gems for cheap. It's a bit different now eh?
I still have one place I go to in Medellin where I believe I am the only gringo to step foot in. Should I post about it here?
Well, I have to keep one place where I can still feel special.
I'm sure it will eventually be discovered.
I am pretty good friends with one of the owners of the Mansion / Castillo in Medellin. He says, Medellin sure isn't what it used to be with all the gringos coming in, but man is it good for business!
Take care[/QUOTE]This is spot on. Medellin is fast becoming too popular with gringos. I tend to stick to Bogota and Cali now where there are still tons of places where you can find gems and good prices.
Its about midnight and I can't seem to get any sleep. I have spent the last hour reading different reports and I decided to add to the thread.
I see that some of the guys have used the different websites to try to line up girls that are non-pro, more cultured or anything else than the regular P4P. I have some great experiences with that and some bad ones. *one big thing to note you have to either be single or have a great amount of alone time since this is a time investment and its very hard to accomplish in less than 3 months.
A little background on who I am since I have been a member for a while but really not posted very much.
I was born in Latin America but I grew up my whole life in the States, which creates a little dilemma. To everyone who knows me they would refer to me as Hispanic because of my name and birth place but everyone I meet in Latin American countries refers to me as a Gringo because I never really lived in Latin America and grew up in the States. My Spanish is perfect but dated since I learned it at home and school yet I don't know the local idioms people are using.
In the last few years I really started to travel more to Latin America and I have spent time in Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Peru, and Colombia. Usually with a gf and then solo or with a buddy to do some mongering.
Ok, back to the website story. I was surfing the Web and I ran across a site [url]www.latinamericancupid.com[/url] and decided to check it out. I had never used a and online dating site and decided what the hell lets see how this turns out.
I posted my profile, some good pics, riding motorcycles, pics from other cities, Paris, London and then I worked on my profile. The gist of my message was that I wanted to meet women that I shared similarities and were interested in a friendship and more (pure BS, I just wanted some hot ass but obviously I could not put that)
The site lets you send winks, or emails since initially did not have a good plan I was all over the place and the responses were lame. Specially since I was not getting any from the hottest girls.
I devised a new and created an email template (I spent some time really playing with the words so the women could dig it) that was personal enough but I could quickly adjust for each girls profile. I then created a list of all the women I wanted to meet and sent it out (when you are creating a list in the website you can use filters, I did no kids, age 21-35, college educated, Very attractive to attractive looks and athletic body types). I called it the shotgun approach, blast it to everyone and see what happens.
Initally I sent it out to about 50 women in different cities in Colombia, I got back about 65-70% response rate. I then followed up with a second email asking them to send me a recent photo with the date stamp and I attached recent pics of me so they would get the point. This time I still had a response rate better than 50%. Now I started to prioritize who I wanted to meet. I discarded cities I would not go to, and I focused on Medellin, Bogota, Pereira, Manizales and Armenia.
After the first to emails came the chatting on MSN, at this point you will realize that some are more interested than others and the list begins to get smaller. Also once I started chatting with them the personalities come out and some are just not my type. Finally I had a list of about 10 girls that I was in regular contact with and then I made my travel plans.
I have to tell you that I went to Medellin in May of 2006, with a buddy of mine (born in the US but raised in Venezuela, speaks English with a think accent and all, total opposite of my situation) and started to hook up with these girls. Most of them I went out twice or three times before I got laid and all of them where from el Poblado. With 3 I met the parents and 1 even took me to the private club her family is a member of.
I totally agree with some of the posts regarding the class system in Colombia and I use it to my advantage. I know that there are some hot poor girls but I want a girl with some class, educated, and that has a good network of friends. Mejor rosca en Medellin. Also the higher educated girls tend to not have kids, can afford the gym, have passports and many of them visas.
I will have to write a separate report on the ones that came over to the states to visit me.
The website has worked so well that usually before a trip to Colombia I start up again 3 of 4 months before and go at it.
I will post some pics of the girls I met, but I have to block out the faces since they are regular girls and they deserve a little privacy.
I will be leaving for Medellin in 2 days I have some other girls lined up for this trip. I think they will even be better than the ones from last time.
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[QUOTE=Gary Groundwork]This is spot on. Medellin is fast becoming too popular with gringos. I tend to stick to Bogota and Cali now where there are still tons of places where you can find gems and good prices.[/QUOTE]There are still a ton of such places in Medellín as well. You never see many Gringos near my estrato 4 house for example.
You can have Cali. There are just too many problems there these days.
And I do not accept the theory that Gringos ruin things anyway. Some of my best friends are Gringos. Wait, hell, I am a Gringo too.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]And I do not accept the theory that Gringos ruin things anyway. Some of my best friends are Gringos. Wait, hell, I am a Gringo too.[/QUOTE]Are you telling me you don't think Gringo's have ANY affect on the price of chicks etc and what chicks expect from a gringo?
The amount of stupid cunts I see walking around with these hot birds buying them fkn whatever they want and thinking the girl actually loves/likes them is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Gary Groundwork]Are you telling me you don't think Gringo's have ANY affect on the price of chicks etc and what chicks expect from a gringo?
The amount of stupid cunts I see walking around with these hot birds buying them fkn whatever they want and thinking the girl actually loves/likes them is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]Some people doing stupid stuff is not going to ruin a city of 3.3 million, especially when most of those people are confined to certain areas and venues. If you want to frequent those places only, you are hopeless anyway. And you aren't going to know enough to say that anything is ruined anyway.
I agree with you above all to the terms of class and education. Good report! But tell me, where did you stay in Medellin?
[QUOTE=Bdhabtz]Its about midnight and I can't seem to get any sleep. I have spent the last hour reading different reports and I decided to add to the thread.
I see that some of the guys have used the different websites to try to line up girls that are non-pro, more cultured or anything else than the regular P4P. I have some great experiences with that and some bad ones. *one big thing to note you have to either be single or have a great amount of alone time since this is a time investment and its very hard to accomplish in less than 3 months.
A little background on who I am since I have been a member for a while but really not posted very much.
I was born in Latin America but I grew up my whole life in the States, which creates a little dilemma. To everyone who knows me they would refer to me as Hispanic because of my name and birth place but everyone I meet in Latin American countries refers to me as a Gringo because I never really lived in Latin America and grew up in the States. My Spanish is perfect but dated since I learned it at home and school yet I don't know the local idioms people are using.
In the last few years I really started to travel more to Latin America and I have spent time in Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Peru, and Colombia. Usually with a gf and then solo or with a buddy to do some mongering.
Ok, back to the website story. I was surfing the Web and I ran across a site [url]www.latinamericancupid.com[/url] and decided to check it out. I had never used a and online dating site and decided what the hell lets see how this turns out.
I posted my profile, some good pics, riding motorcycles, pics from other cities, Paris, London and then I worked on my profile. The gist of my message was that I wanted to meet women that I shared similarities and were interested in a friendship and more (pure BS, I just wanted some hot ass but obviously I could not put that)
The site lets you send winks, or emails since initially did not have a good plan I was all over the place and the responses were lame. Specially since I was not getting any from the hottest girls.
I devised a new and created an email template (I spent some time really playing with the words so the women could dig it) that was personal enough but I could quickly adjust for each girls profile. I then created a list of all the women I wanted to meet and sent it out (when you are creating a list in the website you can use filters, I did no kids, age 21-35, college educated, Very attractive to attractive looks and athletic body types). I called it the shotgun approach, blast it to everyone and see what happens.
Initally I sent it out to about 50 women in different cities in Colombia, I got back about 65-70% response rate. I then followed up with a second email asking them to send me a recent photo with the date stamp and I attached recent pics of me so they would get the point. This time I still had a response rate better than 50%. Now I started to prioritize who I wanted to meet. I discarded cities I would not go to, and I focused on Medellin, Bogota, Pereira, Manizales and Armenia.
After the first to emails came the chatting on MSN, at this point you will realize that some are more interested than others and the list begins to get smaller. Also once I started chatting with them the personalities come out and some are just not my type. Finally I had a list of about 10 girls that I was in regular contact with and then I made my travel plans.
I have to tell you that I went to Medellin in May of 2006, with a buddy of mine (born in the US but raised in Venezuela, speaks English with a think accent and all, total opposite of my situation) and started to hook up with these girls. Most of them I went out twice or three times before I got laid and all of them where from el Poblado. With 3 I met the parents and 1 even took me to the private club her family is a member of.
I totally agree with some of the posts regarding the class system in Colombia and I use it to my advantage. I know that there are some hot poor girls but I want a girl with some class, educated, and that has a good network of friends. Mejor rosca en Medellin. Also the higher educated girls tend to not have kids, can afford the gym, have passports and many of them visas.
I will have to write a separate report on the ones that came over to the states to visit me.
The website has worked so well that usually before a trip to Colombia I start up again 3 of 4 months before and go at it.
I will post some pics of the girls I met, but I have to block out the faces since they are regular girls and they deserve a little privacy.
I will be leaving for Medellin in 2 days I have some other girls lined up for this trip. I think they will even be better than the ones from last time.
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Hello,
I have been using aTel 3 advantage calling card to call Colombia. This card is the type that is rechargeable, and I am suppose to be paying only 12 cents a minute from the United States to call cellular phones with billing at one minute increments. However, this is not the case, as I am being billed according to my call history that is viewable on the internet for 2 minute increments, and for calls that do not go through, such as dead time, or if the call goes through but is not answered. I have contacted Tel 3 Advantage many times in the past about this situation, only to be told that I will be reimbursed, and my complaint will be expedited to the technicians, only to never have anything done. In any even event this gets quite expensive, which brings me to my question:
What is the preferred calling method, and with whom, for you members who regularly call Colombia?
Thanks again for the info.!
This post is in reference to my inquiry below on what is the best companies to use for calling Colombia.
MiamiHeatLuver provided me the names of a couple excellent referrals I would like to share with the board. If anyone uses these companies send MiamiHeatLuver a message, as they pay a small bonus for referrals, and since this is his information, I would like to see him get the benefits from it.
[url]www.3utelecom.com[/url] which has one second billing, and [url]www.pingo.com[/url]
Thanks MiamiHeatLuver for the info., however, I am also not sure how much of a luver you are for your Miami Heat these days. ;)
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]Hello,
I have been using aTel 3 advantage calling card to call Colombia. This card is the type that is rechargeable, and I am suppose to be paying only 12 cents a minute from the United States to call cellular phones with billing at one minute increments. However, this is not the case, as I am being billed according to my call history that is viewable on the internet for 2 minute increments, and for calls that do not go through, such as dead time, or if the call goes through but is not answered. I have contacted Tel 3 Advantage many times in the past about this situation, only to be told that I will be reimbursed, and my complaint will be expedited to the technicians, only to never have anything done. In any even event this gets quite expensive, which brings me to my question:
What is the preferred calling method, and with whom, for you members who regularly call Colombia?
Thanks again for the info.![/QUOTE]Hey Buddy:
I have international calling on my sprint phone for 17 Cents a Minute. I dumped Tel # when they they lied to me about "credits etc".
Hope that helps
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]Hello,
I have been using aTel 3 advantage calling card to call Colombia. This card is the type that is rechargeable, and I am suppose to be paying only 12 cents a minute from the United States to call cellular phones with billing at one minute increments. However, this is not the case, as I am being billed according to my call history that is viewable on the internet for 2 minute increments, and for calls that do not go through, such as dead time, or if the call goes through but is not answered. I have contacted Tel 3 Advantage many times in the past about this situation, only to be told that I will be reimbursed, and my complaint will be expedited to the technicians, only to never have anything done. In any even event this gets quite expensive, which brings me to my question:
What is the preferred calling method, and with whom, for you members who regularly call Colombia?
Thanks again for the info.![/QUOTE]I have used this prepaid phone card: [url]http://www.phonecardquick.com/details.asp?product=530[/url]
It lists $0.081 per minute to Medellín, Bogotá is $0.065, and cell is $0.156. This is a clean card that charges in 1-min, increments and has no other fees. No answer=no charge.
I'm sure you can find something cheaper. Just watch out for extra fees. I went with a little higher price to get clear of those extra fees.
I would use Skype. It is from your computer and if you go pro for $25 a year you get a voicemail box and lowered rates to overseas and free inter US. Cheap home back up and can use from anywhere on your laptop.
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]Hello,
I have been using aTel 3 advantage calling card to call Colombia. This card is the type that is rechargeable, and I am suppose to be paying only 12 cents a minute from the United States to call cellular phones with billing at one minute increments. However, this is not the case, as I am being billed according to my call history that is viewable on the internet for 2 minute increments, and for calls that do not go through, such as dead time, or if the call goes through but is not answered. I have contacted Tel 3 Advantage many times in the past about this situation, only to be told that I will be reimbursed, and my complaint will be expedited to the technicians, only to never have anything done. In any even event this gets quite expensive, which brings me to my question:
What is the preferred calling method, and with whom, for you members who regularly call Colombia?
Thanks again for the info.![/QUOTE]I've been using [url]www.orbitelusa.com[/url] for a while.
Inexpensive, no roundups, no probs, recharge, auto recharge.
Have fun!
I've been using the Phone Out feature on Yahoo Messenger for almost 2 years. I call my novia every week. Some rates: Bogota $0. 039, Cali $0. 039, Medellin $0. 069, Colombia mobile $0. 109.
It requires downloading the free client software, a computer/laptop and broadband internet connection. There are no extra fees, including no monthly fee and no connection charge. You can call another computer for no charge. Or to call a phone, prepay the Phone Out account. You're only charged for the time you use in 1 min increments.
[QUOTE=Escort King]I would use Skype. It is from your computer and if you go pro for $25 a year you get a voicemail box and lowered rates to overseas and free inter US. Cheap home back up and can use from anywhere on your laptop.[/QUOTE]As Escort King approaches his coveted 1000 post soon, I hope memebers will take a good look back at his posts and see what value he has contributed.
Escort King, stop wasting bandwith. If you travel somewhere, please post your experience! Nobody cares about tidbits. We can find them on our own.
We all know that you want to be a senior memeber. But you must travel and report back like a member like Ricker. That person has been probably the best single source of information for people looking for information.
Remember, we are hear to learn and report back on our experiences! If you don't travel, don't report anything!
[QUOTE=Lotto6]As Escort King approaches his coveted 1000 post soon, I hope memebers will take a good look back at his posts and see what value he has contributed.
Escort King, stop wasting bandwith. If you travel somewhere, please post your experience! Nobody cares about tidbits. We can find them on our own.
We all know that you want to be a senior memeber. But you must travel and report back like a member like Ricker. That person has been probably the best single source of information for people looking for information.
Remember, we are hear to learn and report back on our experiences! If you don't travel, don't report anything![/QUOTE]Hahahaha, that's funny.
I get a kick out of the Escort King tidbits, like when someone posted a recent foto of chicas at the Medellin Mansion pool, Escort posts: those chicas are pros at the Mansion.
Great info eh? Hahahaha
No big deal. I get the feeling he's a nice cat, just trying to get involved.
But watch out, I've recently invaded Brasil y Argentina. I'm studying Portugues like a MF hahahaha.
I'm using all my skills down further south to shmoooze the chicas / garotas that have been gringo invaded and spoiled much before Colombia was popular.
Remember, Ricker's #1 rule of chica hunting / schmoozing: You really have to able to speak the language. Of course you can hunt without that skill, but then you are just another gringo dummy with a wallet, looking for sex.
Speaking the lingo trully opens doors, and if you've got any pizaz in your personality and can make the chicas laugh and / or feel comfortable, take them out of their professional mode, the prices come tumbling down.
Heading to Colombia for about a week in a couple days. Mis Colombianas are getting restless that I'm spending too much time further south.
Cali for sure and maybe a side trip first to Barranquilla or perhaps to visit mi amigo, senor Castillo, in Medellin. Decisions decisions
Take care amigos!
[url]http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/104671/5-Simple-Choices-for-Cheap-Long-Distance[/url]
By the way, I took MiamiHeatLuvers advice and bought minutes from Pingo, and the clarity, the connection, is fantastic!. To go along with this excellent service is the price you get. It is definitely worth using, and please, if anyone uses this service contact MiamiHeatLuver through p.m to get his email address for the referral, since it is he who provided me the info. to get this great service. You will be very happy you chose Pingo! ****** 6 stars for this one!
If it helps: When the girl use a comcel card f . e. you can write SMS on their website [url]www.comcel.com.co[/url] for free.
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]Hello,
I have been using aTel 3 advantage calling card to call Colombia. This card is the type that is rechargeable, and I am suppose to be paying only 12 cents a minute from the United States to call cellular phones with billing at one minute increments. However, this is not the case, as I am being billed according to my call history that is viewable on the internet for 2 minute increments, and for calls that do not go through, such as dead time, or if the call goes through but is not answered. I have contacted Tel 3 Advantage many times in the past about this situation, only to be told that I will be reimbursed, and my complaint will be expedited to the technicians, only to never have anything done. In any even event this gets quite expensive, which brings me to my question:
What is the preferred calling method, and with whom, for you members who regularly call Colombia?
Thanks again for the info.![/QUOTE]
For you guys having phone issues, I suggest you look into magicJack. Its a USB thumb drive with a phone attachment that allows you to make free calls within the US and the International rates are cheap. For example a call to Colombia (landline) is 5 cents a minute. Like vonage you can tote it around wherever you are in the world.
Anyone know of a sports bar in Bogota that show American football?
Please advise.
[QUOTE=Hlover]Anyone know of a sports bar in Bogota that show American football?
Please advise.[/QUOTE]Lots of gringos watch fotball in sports bars and pubs. Bogota Beer Companies, Irish Pubs (amounting to more than 10 in different areas of the city) and such always have their tvs on, mostly with sports. You just have to tell the bartender to switch to the correct channel, and you'll get to watch the game of your choice (of course, if there are no colombians watching soccer, which they just won't change).
[QUOTE=Trendy Andy]If it helps: When the girl use a comcel card f . e. you can write SMS on their website [url]www.comcel.com.co[/url] for free.[/QUOTE]Free-ish. The receiver pays, so many people switch it off.
Would you rather spend two weeks in Bog or CTG or BA?
I have my R&R comming up in 20 days want to know which place is better for:
1) Beauty of women
2) Pliability of women--BBBJ, GFE, turning a pro into a multi-day date
3) Non-mongering activities
4) Prices of girls--BA seems like $200-$250 for an 8-10 for a few hours from Blacks or Mahdallos while BOG or CTG seems like about 1/2 -2/3 of that price
5) Prices of nice accomodation--will be on my own dime as opposed to an expense account.
6) Safety of city and disco scene.
7) Airfare from Dubai/NYC. I see a BOG RT for about $1500 on AA while a trip to EZE is about $1900.
I've been to BOG and CTG about 6 years ago and liked it very much.
Thanks,
DirkDingy
I have two weeks total time spent in B. A. , so am no expert but will give it a stab. I'd pick CTG or B. A..- a toss up for me.
1. For beauty I'd give B. A. The edge, although La Dolce Vita in Cartagena and the top clubs in Bogota (e. G. Casanova) will give any venue in B. A. A run for the money.
2. For me Cartagena was best for GFE and turning a pro into a multi-day date. However as far as pliable goes, B. A. Was best. Of my three outstanding "porn star" experiences in B. A. , though, one was a nonpro and one was Brazilian.
3. Cartagena and B. A. Are both excellent and would be well worth visiting even if there were no *****s. Bogota for me has been so so, but I've never had a chance to get out and see the city.
4. I don't think any of the cities has a price advantage for the chicas. Yeah, you're right, you can pay $200-$250 in Black. The one time I went there I translated for a fellow gringo who paid that for an hour with an absolute dog. I've never pulled a woman from Black or Madaho's, but have been with woman in B. A. As fine as you'll there or anywhere in CTG or BOG for US$100 and under. The private apartments in B. A. Are convenient and affordable.- better in my opinion than comparable options in BOG and CTG.
5. I'll defer to others. I'm on expense account in BOG, and have used primarily apartments in CTG and hotels in B. A. , so hard to compare. CTG and B. A. Appear to be fairly comparable in cost to me though.
6. I felt reasonably save in the neighborhoods I frequented in Cartagena and B. A. Bogota makes me nervous, and I take precautions, especially with taxis. Discos.- no idea.
7. No idea.
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]Would you rather spend two weeks in Bog or CTG or BA?
I have my R&R comming up in 20 days want to know which place is better for:
1) Beauty of women
2) Pliability of women--BBBJ, GFE, turning a pro into a multi-day date
3) Non-mongering activities
4) Prices of girls--BA seems like $200-$250 for an 8-10 for a few hours from Blacks or Mahdallos while BOG or CTG seems like about 1/2 -2/3 of that price
5) Prices of nice accomodation--will be on my own dime as opposed to an expense account.
6) Safety of city and disco scene.
7) Airfare from Dubai/NYC. I see a BOG RT for about $1500 on AA while a trip to EZE is about $1900.
I've been to BOG and CTG about 6 years ago and liked it very much.
Thanks,
DirkDingy[/QUOTE]Well I know Colombia very well, and now have spent some time in BA and though I'm not expert, I know the basic scene there as well.
1. Both Colombia and BA have beautiful women. Hard to answer which are more beautiful. Depends a lot on your own taste.
I'd say BA had some absolute stunners, but in general, for my taste, the average Colombiana is prettier.
I made love to maybe the most beautiful girl ever in BA, and I met her in a small privado. But I had to do lots of searching to find her.
I DO NOT go to and pay the ridiculous prices at the high end clubs in either country, I hunt for the diamonds.
2. I would easily say the Colombiana is the best GFE. No contest.
Funny thing is, the 2 most loving chicas I met in BA, were raised in Colombia.
One was a Peruana, the other from Paraguay, but both raised in Caolombia.
3. Well, if you like the beach, Cartagena has a small, not so great beach, but has nice islands very nearby, easy to reach.
BA is a by far the nicest city. Great restaurants, music, etc.
4. Both countries have their high price venues and less expensive venues. I visited just to see, Madahos, Blacks, etc in BA. I'll never go back. For me ridiculous to pay those prices. For hard-core pros. Funny. But guys do go there and pay, I've seen it.
Of course Colombia has high price venues also. LDV in Cartagena can be expensive, but there are low end options as well.
I always say this. The absolute key to lower prices is your ability with chicas. Speaking spanish. Your personality.
I've seen it in BA, all cities in Colombia, and many other latin cities. What some dude pays a chica, I can get for much less. Because I make them laugh and feel good.
I'm no Don Juan, average looking, but I understand the key is in schmoozing the chica.
One of the best accomplishments of my life is learning and always perfecting my Spanish skills.
5-7. I'll defer these questions to other guys, I'm no expert in these areas.
My favorite country in the world by the way is Colombia. I'd choose it over Brazil, Argentina, etc.
I love chicas, I love the loving, sweet chicas, and Colombia seems to breed them.
Good luck!
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whomever
gents,
i am glad, that beside the ". how many girls i have fucked in colombia. " there is space for some serious discussion like this.
what is the most important in every culture when men and women concur? first: age second: looks
of course there a girls, who like to be with much older guys like father complex or who knows. otherwise why they prefer older guys over younger guys is the material status and probably loyalty. young, good looking and rich. that's what women desire is, colombia is no exception.
nonetheless the mayority of colombianas like to stay with gringos, from us or europe, anyway. why? because we are different! we are not better, nor more bad, we are just different! different in looks, behavior and settings. call us exotic, if you want so. summary: don't try to imitate colombians or brazilians or whomever. be yourself. it's not a panacea but i have still good success with that.
indeed, when ist comes to marriage, founding a family or similars normally everybody knows contrasts are not benefits.commonalities attract!
i would like to disagree, you pointed out the exact oposit of an european/american guy (if he is not a hardcore mormone, lol) versus a latin guy. it is exactly that. being a bit more modest, respectfull, "educated". than these crazy testosteron adicted " average latin " guys. i mean, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] is still a minor delict, i have been in guatemala and heard that these giels veryoften got killed. to avoid any claims at the police afterwards. and believe it or not, the police cares a sh. t about these things. i have been in mexico. the same. i mean i am german, but that is so far away from "european" views that, there is a diffrence between latin/sa guys (and women) in order to europeans. i would recomand each german woman a week with such an latin lover. and each german man a week with a sweet latin chica. i supose the population problem in germany would be solved either, all german guys would leave the country or sa would have to stand a loss of some millions of their preciouse ladies. lol
to come to an end, i talked with several girls in sa and all (from guatemala, mexico, and costa rica) said the same. latin guys are quickly violent, lazy at home, with the years tending to drink to much, and do not care about the household at all. and i found that to be true, but thats my opinion about that.
viva los chicas,
yours,
c.
[QUOTE=Carnevalisticus]Whomever
Gents,
I am glad, that beside the ". How many girls I have fucked in Colombia. " 0there is space for some serious discussion like this.[/QUOTE]Choosing age over looks would depend on the motivation of the relationship - in my opinion. If the girl is looking for marriage and a family, an older man would likely be more attractive. Older men will generally be more mature, financially stable, and probably more family oriented (ie: they aren't partying every night like the younger guys). If the chick is looking for money and a good time, I would guess she would take the young guy any day. Motivation is the factor.
Colombian chicks that are working girls are a crap shoot when it comes to a relationship. A lot of them are afraid to even be seen with a gringo for fear that they'll be labeled a working girl (if they aren't already). Chances are as soon as you hit the airport, they have moved onto the next guy. It's not uncommon for them to host several guys at the same time. "Western Union" is certainly earning some money from the girls.
It's true that there is probably a big attraction to someone from a different culture. That's what attracts me. I'm not sure that alone is enough to sustain a relationship though. You still need to find some common ground you can work with: goals and desires.
The thing you didn't mention is that some of the girls will never leave the life of the working girl. They just simply like it. It's the better money, the attention from the guys, etc. Given a choice between working as a ho or taking the stable relationship/married life, they will keep working. I've already run into that. That's assuming they don't have a boyfriend or husband already.
David
The other side of the coin is, Colombian men are sensual and emotionally responsive to Colombian women in a way very few foreigners are, especially ones from non-Romance language speaking cultures, and ESPECIALLY ones who don't speak the language and bother to learn the local customs backwards and forwards. And they tend to have more priorities in common with Colombian women. In the short term, exotic wins hands down every time. In the long term, the waters are a tad muddy.
bdhabtz,
great report, one of the best i've seen on this site. though i'm sure you know from reading all these posts that the phrase "different folks for different folks definitely applies" here. you and i, however, seem to be tracking on several levels though, so i'll pass along some thoughts and others of like minds.
1. if you haven't done so already, start reading pua (pick up artist) info from guys like mystery and david deangelo. pick up a copy of the game by neil strauss. this will get you into a mind set of attraction theory and an a +b=c formula of picking up women and banging them. you are already have a systemic approach so that should naturally amp your game. just begin understanding the pua mind set and adapt because not all of those skills and technics are applicable to latin american chicas.
2. on these sites like latinamericancupid.com or colombiancupid.com, volume is key. you did right by working up a profile with pics that peek their attraction interest, but don't waste so much time emailing them canned text. just work something up snappy or ping them to see if they respond, which shows that they interested. i ping 15-20 good looking chica each day and get about a 20% response, that's low but over a 2 week period you have about 10 descent chicas from which you can start narrowing down the ones with real potential. in a month, that can be a list of 20-30 chicas.
also, fyi, those sites are full of gringos and old farts and your should know that it will be tough for you (as a latino/colombian looking male) to get the attention of hottest chicas because they are fishing for attractive white gringos under 30 with marriage potential. i think latino match.com may work better but i haven't used it as often. anyway, all those hot chicks are fielding their international options. i connected with a hot 18 yo from that site a few weeks ago and she said that on her first day of membership, she had about 50 emails and pings.
3. next step, get to phone conversation sooner. find a way to make cheap international calls and go from email/chat to cell phone asap. there is no better way to begin filtering chicks than through real voice conversation, but don't talk too much. just enough time to develop some attraction interest, distinguish yourself from the other guys online (who are distance and depend on email and chatting), and to bump them over till your next call as you bridge to the day you can meeting.
at this point, you have become the real deal, not some online penpal / romance potential. the reason why these chicas msn chat so fricken much is because that can afford the calls and minutes, so give them a 5-10 minute buzz if they are good looking enough. also, once you get them on the phone, that the best time to ask for recent pics.
4. okay, here are my thoughts on educated latinas without children. if they have attended university and have a descent career, they are often considered over the hill ( 25 y. o.), not attractive enough to land a latino bf with marriage potential, or they have adopted an independent/cultured attitude like the american women.
after examining my experience and approach with this issue for a few years now, i've come to the conclusion that i am most happiest with with young (<25) hot latinas who will screw my brains out, care for me with her traditional femininity, and in general, treat me like a king.-forget about class and education status that all social programming preferences. fyi, i am a professional latino male in his 40s, never married, no kids.
[quote=bdhabtz]its about midnight and i can't seem to get any sleep. i have spent the last hour reading different reports and i decided to add to the thread.
i see that some of the guys have used the different websites to try to line up girls that are non-pro, more cultured or anything else than the regular p4p. i have some great experiences with that and some bad ones. *one big thing to note you have to either be single or have a great amount of alone time since this is a time investment and its very hard to accomplish in less than 3 months.
a little background on who i am since i have been a member for a while but really not posted very much.
i was born in latin america but i grew up my whole life in the states, which creates a little dilemma. to everyone who knows me they would refer to me as hispanic because of my name and birth place but everyone i meet in latin american countries refers to me as a gringo because i never really lived in latin america and grew up in the states. my spanish is perfect but dated since i learned it at home and school yet i don't know the local idioms people are using.
in the last few years i really started to travel more to latin america and i have spent time in costa rica, dominican republic, mexico, peru, and colombia. usually with a gf and then solo or with a buddy to do some mongering.
ok, back to the website story. i was surfing the web and i ran across a site [url]www.latinamericancupid.com[/url] and decided to check it out. i had never used a and online dating site and decided what the hell lets see how this turns out.
i posted my profile, some good pics, riding motorcycles, pics from other cities, paris, london and then i worked on my profile. the gist of my message was that i wanted to meet women that i shared similarities and were interested in a friendship and more (pure bs, i just wanted some hot ass but obviously i could not put that)
the site lets you send winks, or emails since initially did not have a good plan i was all over the place and the responses were lame. specially since i was not getting any from the hottest girls.
i devised a new and created an email template (i spent some time really playing with the words so the women could dig it) that was personal enough but i could quickly adjust for each girls profile. i then created a list of all the women i wanted to meet and sent it out (when you are creating a list in the website you can use filters, i did no kids, age 21-35, college educated, very attractive to attractive looks and athletic body types). i called it the shotgun approach, blast it to everyone and see what happens.
initally i sent it out to about 50 women in different cities in colombia, i got back about 65-70% response rate. i then followed up with a second email asking them to send me a recent photo with the date stamp and i attached recent pics of me so they would get the point. this time i still had a response rate better than 50%. now i started to prioritize who i wanted to meet. i discarded cities i would not go to, and i focused on medellin, bogota, pereira, manizales and armenia.
after the first to emails came the chatting on msn, at this point you will realize that some are more interested than others and the list begins to get smaller. also once i started chatting with them the personalities come out and some are just not my type. finally i had a list of about 10 girls that i was in regular contact with and then i made my travel plans.
i have to tell you that i went to medellin in may of 2006, with a buddy of mine (born in the us but raised in venezuela, speaks english with a think accent and all, total opposite of my situation) and started to hook up with these girls. most of them i went out twice or three times before i got laid and all of them where from el poblado. with 3 i met the parents and 1 even took me to the private club her family is a member of.
i totally agree with some of the posts regarding the class system in colombia and i use it to my advantage. i know that there are some hot poor girls but i want a girl with some class, educated, and that has a good network of friends. mejor rosca en medellin. also the higher educated girls tend to not have kids, can afford the gym, have passports and many of them visas.
i will have to write a separate report on the ones that came over to the states to visit me.
the website has worked so well that usually before a trip to colombia i start up again 3 of 4 months before and go at it.
i will post some pics of the girls i met, but i have to block out the faces since they are regular girls and they deserve a little privacy.
i will be leaving for medellin in 2 days i have some other girls lined up for this trip. i think they will even be better than the ones from last time.
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[QUOTE=Tom Cruze]Great report, one of the best I've seen on this site. Though I'm sure you know from reading all these posts that the phrase "different folks for different folks definitely applies" here. You and I, however, seem to be tracking on several levels though, so I'll pass along some thoughts and others of like minds.[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm missing the point, but why spend so much effort on dating web sites if you're traveling to the countries? If someone is experienced, they can pick up new girls (live and in person) in a matter of minutes in many cities. My idea of those sites is that they're for people that never intend to meet the girls, or at least not for a long time. I wouldn't want to share my girl with 1000 other guys exchanging emails with her too. After all, this is an international travel forum, right?
David
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I will be in Cartagena, Barranquilla, and Santa Marta arriving in Cartagena at 11pm on April 22nd. If anyone is in any of these cities and wants to have a drink please get in touch. Last trip I met some real cool guys, such as Jluv, Jacque, Numerowon, and a couple of others. As my report stated, it was a great and unforgettable trip for many reasons. I got some great ideas and advice for this trip through email from Winner. It is to bad he got banned, because he provided many on the ISG with excellent information in his reports, through p.m's and through email.
Guys,
This goes along with some of the conversation on the Medellin thread at the moment. Yesterday, a group of 4 american guys rented the apartment above me, and last night they had the Techno Music blaring full blast from one in the morning until I left the building a few minutes ago. (9am) They were partying like it was there last party, yelling and screaming, and carrying on in the same manner children would, with no regard to there neighbors e.c.t.
I hope the house partyers on the board here who turn there apartments into frat houses, will take a minute to reflect on the fact, for one, you are not in your house, you do have neighbors, you are a visitor in a foreign country, and treat others with the respect and consideration you would want. If you want a frat house atmosphere stay near a college campus that is conducive to this type of environment.
Any ever use adult friends finder or similar sites for direct contact for independent pros?
Anyone know a girl that would be willing to marry a gringo for USA citizenship and pay for the process?
I need colombian citizenship asap(long story). And i figure USA citizenship is worth enough to have the girl pay for the process. (not looking to make $, only cover costs)
Thanks
Recently published at "El Tiempo" Newspaper, there was an ote on Swing Clubs in Bogota and its Rapid BooM. Some places are in very highly tourist areas like Bliss Swing Club. I is in the middle of all the clubs in Zona Rosa. I've been wondering if anyone has been there with a Non Pro, Pro or colombian Fuckfriend.
I Am very curious and interested.
Thanks!
In order to get Colombian citizenship, it would take a MINIMUM of 7 years, that's if they'd let you go all the way and get citizenship. They don't give it out for nothing. And in order to get US citizenship it would also take a minimum of 7-9 years from point of entry. You also would have ZERO chance of doing them both simultaneously, it would have to be one first then the other.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]In order to get Colombian citizenship, it would take a MINIMUM of 7 years, that's if they'd let you go all the way and get citizenship. They don't give it out for nothing. And in order to get US citizenship it would also take a minimum of 7-9 years from point of entry. You also would have ZERO chance of doing them both simultaneously, it would have to be one first then the other.[/QUOTE]Who would even want Colombian citizenship? Permanent residence is enough. You can get permanent residence many ways. The Investor VISA gives permanent residence immediately. I live with my novia. Because of that I got a Family VISA. After 3 years of holding the Family VISA, I can get a permanent VISA.
[QUOTE=Rawlo]I searched the site and found some situational spanish that Routard provided that would be quite helpful. Are there any more situational spanish phrases that someone may have posted that might be helpful? I am trying to learn more of the necessary phrases that fellow mongers may need instead of allot of the spanish lessons that cater more to tourists
We need a Spanish for mongers guide.[/QUOTE]Since I began learning spanish I've been reading adult oriented mexican comics. You can find them in any mexican neighborhood or down in the subways in nyc. Most of them have to do with sex drugs and violence. Some even take place in bars that a monger might visit. The language used is very colorful. They refer to sexual acts and body parts using local slang.
What I do is underline the good stuff and put them on flash cards to learn.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Since I began learning spanish I've been reading adult oriented mexican comics. You can find them in any mexican neighborhood or down in the subways in nyc. Most of them have to do with sex drugs and violence. Some even take place in bars that a monger might visit. The language used is very colorful. They refer to sexual acts and body parts using local slang.
What I do is underline the good stuff and put them on flash cards to learn.[/QUOTE]Being Half LATINO, I find that Mexican spanish is like completely different than, Dominican, Puerto Rican, Argentinian and especially Colombian Spanish. There are different accents and even some non existent words. Such as Gaseosa(soda) is non existent in the caribbean. My best bet would try a happy medium such as Rosetta Stone.
Since I now have a Novia in BAQ I need the best method to call her as cheap as possible since as you guys know it is hard to get off the phone with them.
Por Favor, Vic
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]Since I now have a Novia in BAQ I need the best method to call her as cheap as possible since as you guys know it is hard to get off the phone with them.
Por Favor, Vic[/QUOTE]Hey Vick,
Try Pingo.com I've had great success with them so far.
AM
If she's net savvy, then get her a skype account. Can chat, drop pics and that stuff. If you want phone stuff, then use a VOIP phone, like Vonage.
Skype also has a call out service.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]Since I now have a Novia in BAQ I need the best method to call her as cheap as possible since as you guys know it is hard to get off the phone with them.
Por Favor, Vic[/QUOTE]
I just got off the phone with my bank.
I know not everyone has chase but I wanted to give people and idea of what to expect when taking out money.
I will use $100 as an example.
Per every $100 you will be charged a $3 transaction fee + 3% of the amount (in this case $3)
Bottom line = $6 per every hundred dollars you take out.
I know this is really basic stuff but seeing actual dollar amounts is different than reading about a percentage.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I just got off the phone with my bank.
I know not everyone has chase but I wanted to give people and idea of what to expect when taking out money.
I will use $100 as an example.
Per every $100 you will be charged a $3 transaction fee + 3% of the amount (in this case $3)
Bottom line = $6 per every hundred dollars you take out.
I know this is really basic stuff but seeing actual dollar amounts is different than reading about a percentage.[/QUOTE]Check Citibank's fees for withdrawals from a Citibank a/c at a Colombian ATM.
Help!
Are Colombian women really this sexy and romantic?
I have known a couple of hundred Colombian working girls in St Maarten. I have liked about half of them as people. So I decided to visit Colombia.
Based on encouragement from my friend Routard, I set as a goal to see if I could romance and seduce some ordinary Colombianas, not just working girls. Even though I am old and way past my prime.
Last year when I was cut off from my St Maarten Colombianas by an 3 month trip, I created a profile on [url]www.cybercupido.com[/url]. And trolled for latinas. I decided to go with all I had learned from the prepagos. Intense romanticism and sentimentality. I told very little about myself, mostly true, except that I was still married (at the moment). Then instead of saying that I was a successful businesssman looking for a hot soul mate to spoil, I listed my faavorit movie in spanish (como aqua para chocalate) and my favorite 20 romantic ballads (somos novios by bocelli and aguilera, plus a lot other very sex songs). I had my picture set as "privado", which means that only girls I send a messsage can see the picture, not the general public (my wife or her friends! ? )
I had a lot of great correspondence with many fantastic latinas. I received about 1 or 2 unsolicited inquiries a day from around the world (70% from Colombia).
I was a Gold member (costs $20 or more) because a free member can only send 2 messages a day and has no history of messages. Gold members get a lot of good management features, plus they appear at the start of the list of the men who are on-line. This means that they get a lot more messages.
At the end of my exile from St Maarten I gave up on my cybercupido girls and stopped looking at my profile on cybercupido. If you don't log on, you are not listed in the Hombres On Line, which means that very few women notice you. My Gold member status lapsed.
By rearranging my life I was able to schedule a solo 3-week trip to Colombia for thia July. In preparation I updated my cybercupido profile to say that I was visiting Bogota and Medellin in Colombia. And I made my photo public instead of private. I hardly ever sent an unsolociited message to any girls. When I reviewed the women who were online, if I saw one that I liked, I would save her in My Favorites and hit her profile once per day for a few days. She gets a notice when anyone visits her profile. A few of those wrote to me, plus many others that I hadn't noticed. I replied to every one, even those without a picture.
Everything is under control. I have emailed a few SXM girls to set up some sure-thing reunions in Colombia.
Then last weekend I needed to send a message to a hot girl in Bogota, but I had used up my 2 messages for day. So I upgraded my account to Gold again.
Oh my god!
I am now at the head of the on-line list every time I go in to check my messages. During the time it takes me to respond politely to a girl with no foto from honduras (where I am unlikely to visit in the next 5 years), I get 5 new messages from women in Colombia!
Here is a typical message from a colombiana with no foto:
"o. K o. K o. K me parece muy bien me encanta toda clase de musica y esos temas que tu pones ahi de los artista uh no sabes me llevan al alma ahhhh se me habia olvidado saludarte hola como estas me disculpa vale? Si gustas me puedes mandar tu messenger asi podiamos platicar mejor que dices? Chao"
Here is the translation by translate. Google.com (I can figure it out mostly myself at this point, but I like to confirm my translation):
"o. K ok ok I feel very well I love all kinds of music and those items that you put there by the artist not know uh lead me to soul ahhhh I had forgotten I welcome Hello, apology goes like this? Gustas if I can mandar your messenger so podiamos talk better than you say? Chao"
So this woman from Palmira, a city north of Cali that I did not say I was going to visit, and which I probably will never visit, has gone completely crazy for me. I am NOT THAT SPECIAL. I have learned a bit about latin culture and I like it, but there must be younger guys in Colombia who know better than I do what Colombian women want. There are other women sending messages that are even more understandable and enthusiastic and have fotos.
My plan was to stick to Bogota and Medellin for my first trip, and ignore all other women, but now the hottest women from barranquilla are sending messages to me of love and invitation and possibilities.
Please send advise on arranging apppintments with these women and dealing with them. My cybercupido interactions last year led me to beilieve that most of these women (other than a few obvious prepagos that I have actually see on other sites soliciting sex) are looking for permanent soul mates and husbands. If I am successful in my seduction of Colombianas, I am looking for a loving novia in each city and NO MORE WIFES EVER!
Thanks
Zing
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[QUOTE=Zing23]... Based on encouragement from my friend Routard, I set as a goal to see if I could romance and seduce some ordinary Colombianas, not just working girls. Even though I am old and way past my prime ...
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]Amigo,
Don't even think you are past your prime.
Quit thinking in that world. Of the US and Europe.
In South America age is just that, a number. It may sound corny but your real age is how you feel in your heart.
Go to Colombia. Laugh, drink, dance and treat girls kindly and you will have the greatest time.
Good luck
[QUOTE=Zing23]"o. K o. K o. K me parece muy bien me encanta toda clase de musica y esos temas que tu pones ahi de los artista uh no sabes me llevan al alma ahhhh se me habia olvidado saludarte hola como estas me disculpa vale? Si gustas me puedes mandar tu messenger asi podiamos platicar mejor que dices? Chao"
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]Actaually that spanish appears more of a Central American type than of Colombia.
I used to live in Guatemala and they used varias words in that quote you posted that aren't generally used in Colombia.
[QUOTE=Zing23]
... So this woman from Palmira, a city north of Cali that I did not say I was going to visit, and which I probably will never visit, has gone completely crazy for me. I am NOT THAT SPECIAL. I have learned a bit about latin culture and I like it, but there must be younger guys in Colombia who know better than I do what Colombian women want. There are other women sending messages that are even more understandable and enthusiastic and have fotos.
My plan was to stick to Bogota and Medellin for my first trip, and ignore all other women, but now the hottest women from barranquilla are sending messages to me of love and invitation and possibilities.
Please send advise on arranging apppintments with these women and dealing with them. My cybercupido interactions last year led me to beilieve that most of these women (other than a few obvious prepagos that I have actually see on other sites soliciting sex) are looking for permanent soul mates and husbands. If I am successful in my seduction of Colombianas, I am looking for a loving novia in each city and NO MORE WIFES EVER!
Thanks
Zing
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]Palmira is right near the airport in Cali, so actually not so far away.
My take on Cybercupido and like sites for meeting chicas.
Lots of fun and a great way to learn and practice spanish. Which by the way is the single most important thing you could do to GREATLY increase your fun and romance in Colombia.
More important than looks, age, dance ability. Being able to COMMUNICATE. I've had chicas choose me over other, younger, better looking dudes because I speak spanish well and can make a chica laugh, and I can whisper sweet things to her. Las Colombianas are muy romanticas.
They love to laugh and be loved.
Meeting chicas on the internet is a crap shoot. You just cannot tell the chemestry between 2 people writing messages.
I've met a couple nice chicas and lots that I just didn't feel it for them after meeting in person.
Once you get to Colombia, there are literally millions of other sweet Colombianitas that have never heard of Cybercupido.
It's a start though. At least you'll have somebody waiting for you and you can also meet their friends and go from there.
Pick a city or 2 and go there. Don't waste all your time on internet chicas.
Most likely the favorite chica you meet on your trip will not be one you met on the internet.
I've found the best chicas in all the countries I've lived and visited have been the ones NOT actively seeking a gringo.
Good luck and have FUN!
[QUOTE=Ricker]I've found the best chicas in all the countries I've lived and visited have been the ones NOT actively seeking a gringo.[/QUOTE]I agree with everything Ricker said, especially the highlighted quote.
Every Gringo in Colombia has his own individual priorities and preferences, and that's fine. At one extreme, there are Gringos that only want to meet prostitutes in Colombia. At the other extreme are the masochists that go to Colombia with the sole objective of getting engaged in a week or less by using so-called "marriage agencies. "
Despite these different perspectives, every Gringo needs to keep both eyes wide open regarding Colombian women. For whatever reason, many (probably most) Colombians think that Gringos are complete idiots. It's certainly an interesting assumption given that the United States is the wealthiest and most powerful nation in world history. However, many (probably most) Gringos do behave like complete idiots when in Colombia. There aren't that many Gringos in Colombia, but Colombians do love to gossip about Gringos.
You have to understand Colombian culture. Most Colombians live their whole lives in one city, often in just one neighborhood. Generally they don't go away to college so there is no "Greek System" at the universities. Generally they do not move to another city to find employment either. Colombia is not a mobile society. Think about how many times a typical American moves from one city to another in his lifetime. That's why we have the "Greek System" at universities and matchmaking services for later in life. These things are not necessary in Colombia. Colombians rarely move. Therefore, their social networks are rarely disrupted.
In Colombian culture, women do not seek men. Rather, Colombian men seek women. Colombian men are not timid and emasculated like American men. Colombian women do not want to be viewed as "rebusconas" in their social network because it is not culturally acceptable.
I have met a ton of Colombian women on the internet dating sites. They are often a lot of fun. They are a good opportunity to practice your Spanish, to begin to understand Colombian culture and to get laid.
However, such Colombian women are generally prepagos and they are often very good at hiding that fact. Actually, it's easy to hide such things from a Gringo in Colombia for a week. Think about it.
Don't believe everything Colombian women tell you. Colombians (both men and women) are experts at telling people what they want to hear. Just because a woman doesn't charge you that doesn't mean that she's not a prepago. Just because a woman has a respectable job that doesn't mean that she's not a prepago. Just because a woman is college-educated that doesn't mean that she's not a prepago.
Nice girls are nice girls. Prepagos are prepagos. If you have no interest in a serious relationship, then the internet dating sites are an efficient and economical method for meeting a certain type of Colombian woman. Just keep both eyes wide open. Don't be naive.
If you want a serious relationship, then forget the internet dating sites. Forget the marriage agencies. Forget the dance clubs known to be popular with Gringos. Forget the poolside chicas at luxury hotels on weekends.
Gringos in search of a serious relationship with a Colombian woman should be looking for Colombian women that are not actively seeking Gringos. Be the fisherman, not the fish.
It's easy to meet and date Colombian women. If you can't meet and date women in Colombia, then you can't meet and date women anywhere. All you you need is minimal self-confidence. Just say "hola" and smile.
[QUOTE=Client 9]I agree with everything Ricker said, especially the highlighted quote ...
... It's easy to meet and date Colombian women. If you can't meet and date women in Colombia, then you can't meet and date women anywhere. All you you need is minimal self-confidence. Just say "hola" and smile.[/QUOTE]Nice post Client ... especially the first line :)
Just kidding.
Very well written post though.
[QUOTE=Client 9]However, such Colombian women are generally prepagos and they are often very good at hiding that fact.[/QUOTE]I have a lot of friends who hang out on chat and dating sites. Unfortunately they're no more prepagos then US girls who hang out on similar sites are.
Sorry Client, I'm calling BS on you.
80% of inhabitants of Bogota were born somewhere else. Most big cities in Colombia have sizeable amounts of people who are from elsewhere in the country. Not to mention about 10% of Colombian citizens reside out of the country (which is actually a pretty normal ratio for a country of its size).
I am thinking of wintering in Colombia, say October to March. L. I live in Spain, but even here, the winters are too cold for me.
I would like to stay in a small beach town, safe and friendly, where I can hire a girl or two to look after me. In very way!
Any suggestions from you local experts? Is safety a problem though, for a blonde Englishman?
I am not into great nightlife; just a quiet life with good food, good wine, sunshine and lots of sex.
What should I pay for a modest house in a safe area and two girls each month.
Possible or a silly fantasy?
Perhaps a suggestion for a Spanish-speaking alternative?
I don't like Asia any more!
My perfect scenario would be to live on the edge of town somewhere; to have a scooter to get around; to have two girls living me me for always-available fun. A fairly simple existance besed on food, wine, sun and sex!
I don't want a different girl every day, I was more thinking of paying them to live with me. A bit like a downmarket version of Hugh Hefner!
I am not a bar person, almost reclusive, in a way. To be hidden away in my private hedonistic pleasure palace.
Maybe rent a small cortijo with someone else and a few girls to have fun with.
Interested anyone?
Safety is always an issue in Colombia. There are those here who say it isn't, but you need to look at it and judge for yourself where you're happy on the scale between relaxed and paranoid. Personally I go for permanently nervous and suspicious: I find it keeps me out of too much shit.
As to where you build your pleasure palace I have no idea. I did hear that there's a growing group of European retirees setting up on the Atlantic coast. Not Cartagena or Santa Marta, but somewhere smaller. I can try and find out if you want.
Does anyone know about the Medellin Madman?
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]Safety is always an issue in Colombia. There are those here who say it isn't, but you need to look at it and judge for yourself where you're happy on the scale between relaxed and paranoid. Personally I go for permanently nervous and suspicious: I find it keeps me out of too much shit.
As to where you build your pleasure palace I have no idea. I did hear that there's a growing group of European retirees setting up on the Atlantic coast. Not Cartagena or Santa Marta, but somewhere smaller. I can try and find out if you want.[/QUOTE]I would appreciate that.
Hola gentlemen,
When I go to a new place I always look for things to do other than just mongering. In Lima they have a horse racing track.
I have tried many times on the web to find out about horse racing in Columbia with no luck. Any help would be appreciated.
You would be surprised about how many Chicas like horses. I ask them if they would like to see the horses and that works a lot of times so I can kill two birds with one stone.
I have been to Cali and CTG and Baq so I guess the only places left where There will be races is Medellin and Bog.
Thanks,
Vic
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]Hola gentlemen,
When I go to a new place I always look for things to do other than just mongering. In Lima they have a horse racing track.
I have tried many times on the web to find out about horse racing in Columbia with no luck. Any help would be appreciated.
You would be surprised about how many Chicas like horses. I ask them if they would like to see the horses and that works a lot of times so I can kill two birds with one stone.
I have been to Cali and CTG and Baq so I guess the only places left where There will be races is Medellin and Bog.
Thanks,
Vic[/QUOTE]There was a horse track in Guarne near Medellín's international airport. It closed around a year ago.
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]I have a lot of friends who hang out on chat and dating sites. Unfortunately they're no more prepagos then US girls who hang out on similar sites are.[/QUOTE]I have a lot of friends that use the Colombian dating sites, too. In fact, I use the Colombian dating sites. However, I use them with both eyes wide open. Matchmaking services of any kind (marriage agencies, dating sites, etc.) are contrary to Colombian culture. Have you ever seen matchmaking services that introduce Colombian adults to other Colombian adults? Are there fraternities and sororities at the Colombian universities? I have never heard of Colombians of any age using matchmaking services of any kind to meet to other Colombians. Why? Because there is no reason to. Furthermore no Colombian woman wants to be considered "rebuscona" by her family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, etc.
Almost every prepago that I have met in Colombia did not reveal that they were a prepago until I later confronted them. Almost every prepago that I know is on the Colombian dating sites.
American culture and Colombian culture are different.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Sorry Client, I'm calling BS on you.
80% of inhabitants of Bogota were born somewhere else. Most big cities in Colombia have sizeable amounts of people who are from elsewhere in the country. Not to mention about 10% of Colombian citizens reside out of the country (which is actually a pretty normal ratio for a country of its size).[/QUOTE]Well, Bango, I'm going to return the favor by calling BS on you.
First, I don't go to Bogota. I go to Barranquilla, Cali, Cartagena and Medellin. Maybe Bogota is very different from the other major cities of Colombia. Maybe 80% of people in Bogota are from other cities as you claim, but I doubt it. It seems like hyperbole.
While I am uncertain about Bogota, I am certain about the other major cities of Colombia. At least 80% of the people that I have met in the other major cities of Colombia were born, raised and have lived their entire lives in the same city. And that's not hyperbole. It's an accurate statement.
Colombia is not a mobile society. In fact, Colombia is a rigid society in every way. Colombia is one of the most isolated countries in the world. Very few people emigrate to Colombia. There is very little tourism in Colombia. Most Colombians have never been to a foreign country. Most Colombians do not speak a foreign language. Colombian exposure to foreigners and foreign cultures is minimal.
Colombian adults do not use matchmaking services to meet other Colombian adults. Colombian universities do not have fraternities and sororities. Matchmaking services are not part of Colombian culture because Colombia is not a mobile society. The social networks of Colombians are rarely disrupted. The social networks of many Americans are constantly disrupted, and that explains the cultural acceptance of matchmaking services in the U. S.
Colombian culture and American culture are different.
Likewise, I have only ever been to Bogota and the surrounding area, never been past Melgar, but from what I've seen first-hand.
There are sizeable communities in Bogota of Brazilians and Cubans, plus LOTS of people from Ecuador, Venezuela, Argentina, etc. And there are whole areas of town inhabited by almost nothing but Paisas, other areas inhabited by almost nothing but Costeños, others almost entirely by Vallunos, others by Boyacos etc. Not to mention out of the 3 million people that have been displaced in Colombia over the past 50 years at LEAST 50% of them have wound up in Bogota.
And BTW Facebook is MASSIVE in Colombia, just like Orkut is in Brazil. And as far as I'm concerned the average Rolo is more progressive minded in many ways than the average New Yorker or Angelino even.
Interesting discussion on Bogota. I think there is middle ground between the two of you. I have been to Bogota many times and have friends there. Many of the folks who live in Bogota are, in fact, from Bogota. Families have lived there for many generations. However, there are also quite a few folks from other cities as well. While it is true that Colombians are not migratory by nature, many of them DO, in fact, head to Bogota out of necessity. Either because they could not find work where they lived (economic reasons) or because they were forced out of their homes by the FARC or others. So, while I doubt that Bogota is 80% outsiders, I believe there are a significant number. And we'll never know the true number. But can only guess. Bogota is like no other city in Colombia. For a lot of reasons. So many folks flock to Bogota, but the opportunities are not really there either. Perhaps more so than in small towns, but not anything substantial from what I've seen. When you have doctors and lawyers driving cabs, that tells you something.
CL
[QUOTE=Client 9] Matchmaking services of any kind (marriage agencies, dating sites, etc.) are contrary to Colombian culture[/QUOTE]May I chime in ? ... obrigado :)
Bango Cheito is right of course. Internet dating/matchmaking is even more popular in South America than in our western countries.
On yahoo encontros.br, the largest brasilian dating site, a single search on [Brasil -> todos estatos -> women -> aged 18 - 30 - > with photos -> looking for men] give something like 637 000 answers. I'm pretty sure that 98% are "normal" women, and not piranhas or putas (or prepagos or whatever).
I'm not a specialist of colombian sites but what is true for Brasil is also surely for Colombia.
A (Colombiana) friend of mine in Bogota broke her leg in the other day. I would like to send her enough money to cover the medical expenses but I do not have a ton of $$ right now AND she will absolutely not reveal to me how much this has set her back (but I know if I wire some funds into her account, she'll be grateful).
Any idea how much the medical visits and cast / crutches would set a local back??
Thanks for any info or thoughts...
Aa
[QUOTE=Angryant]A (Colombiana) friend of mine in Bogota broke her leg in the other day. I would like to send her enough money to cover the medical expenses but I do not have a ton of $$ right now AND she will absolutely not reveal to me how much this has set her back (but I know if I wire some funds into her account, she'll be grateful).
Any idea how much the medical visits and cast / crutches would set a local back??
Thanks for any info or thoughts.
Aa[/QUOTE]Could be almost nothing is she's in CISBEN (sp?). If she's formally employed (even as a domestic) her employer is obliged to provide her with medical insurance in which case there will be a co-pay but it could be as little as a few k.
Dude;
Live and learn even if it takes four years.
I hope you do not send the next chica any money.
[QUOTE=Dude55]I heard something similar by a girlfriend. The store she work in was broken into and things were stolen. She lost her job. Can I send money?
Answer. Yes, I sent her $175. And an email saying good luck, I am looking for another girlfriend (mooch).
This was after 4 years of her sucking money from me.
I was her ATM.[/QUOTE]My personal circumstances are opening my eyes to the fact that the distance between survival and disaster for many poor Colombian families is razor thin. If you're living hand-to-mouth, supporting your elderly parents, have no savings, and limited access to medical care until its often too late it takes almost nothing to tip you over time after time.
Sure she may be sponging off you. Or it may be that her need for survival is greater than her her need for your cock.
It's pretty pathetic to feel sorry for Colombians' access to health care when it is BETTER than the access to it here in America. If you really feel you want to use your money to help someone, find someone in your OWN NEIGHBORHOOD who needs it. Colombia may be poorer than the US but it's not THAT bad down there.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]It's pretty pathetic to feel sorry for Colombians' access to health care when it is BETTER than the access to it here in America. If you really feel you want to use your money to help someone, find someone in your OWN NEIGHBORHOOD who needs it. Colombia may be poorer than the US but it's not THAT bad down there.[/QUOTE]The US? Hardly an aspiration goal for Colombia.
I can assure you that.- in practice, though not in law.- access to health care at the bottom of the social scale in Colombia is very limited, not free, and interventions late, thereby increasing their cost with knock on effects on the system.
Even if we focus our attention on principal cities and ignore the total lack of care in rural communities, we see seriously I'll people starting to queue very early in the morning (4am) in order to be sufficiently early to get an appointment: if you're too late you're just cut off and have to return the following day.
Owing to that pressure on the system.- and cost.- patients often turn up with progressed illnesses that require costly and urgent treatments. But the patient themselves will be required to pay for certain things, for example certain drugs or a drain tube, likely to beyond their means.
Add to that an economic and sanitary climate such as exists in many parts of Colombia and even the hardest-working poor family is only one misstep from disaster.
There's a couple on one of the other Colombia groups that regularly works with the poor and disadvantaged of Bogota. They've got a site with photos somewhere; I'll see if I can find it.
Jun 25, 11pm ET, and 3 more re-runs over the next 7 days.
[QUOTE=Client 9]Well, Bango, I'm going to return the favor by calling BS on you.
First, I don't go to Bogota. I go to Barranquilla, Cali, Cartagena and Medellin. Maybe Bogota is very different from the other major cities of Colombia. Maybe 80% of people in Bogota are from other cities as you claim, but I doubt it. It seems like hyperbole.
While I am uncertain about Bogota, I am certain about the other major cities of Colombia. At least 80% of the people that I have met in the other major cities of Colombia were born, raised and have lived their entire lives in the same city. And that's not hyperbole. It's an accurate statement.
Colombia is not a mobile society. In fact, Colombia is a rigid society in every way. Colombia is one of the most isolated countries in the world. Very few people emigrate to Colombia. There is very little tourism in Colombia. Most Colombians have never been to a foreign country. Most Colombians do not speak a foreign language. Colombian exposure to foreigners and foreign cultures is minimal.
Colombian adults do not use matchmaking services to meet other Colombian adults. Colombian universities do not have fraternities and sororities. Matchmaking services are not part of Colombian culture because Colombia is not a mobile society. The social networks of Colombians are rarely disrupted. The social networks of many Americans are constantly disrupted, and that explains the cultural acceptance of matchmaking services in the U. S.
Colombian culture and American culture are different.[/QUOTE]I would have to agree 100% on that Client9.
fact is in Colombia you do NOT need any matchmaking services...becuase Colombian women do NOT make SEX a big deal! It's a normal thing for them.
Need I say more?
Johan
No argument that sex is freer there. I'm arguing that they're not as unsophisticated and provincial as people are making them out to be. Otherwise I would NEVER consider moving there.
Hi Guys:
Please help in deciding which city to go in Colombia.
I dont speak spanish and I have never been to Colombia before.
I do have experience in int'l travel.
Thanks for all your help in advance.
Player2
Hi Guys,
For different reasons it can be handy to take a chica to a short time motel instead of your hotel / apartment.
Do you guys have some personal favorite short time hotel to reccomend in:
1. Bogota
2. Cartagena
3. Medellin
4. Cali
5. Barranquilla
If you have some personal favorite in any of this cities, please help me out.
Best regards / Ken Apples
Really great kick-off deals for airfare to a couple of destinations in Colombia. They start flying on July 24 and have fares starting @ $69 RT from Ft Lauderdale. For those of you who always wanted to go and are flexible on dates.
[QUOTE=Player2]Hi Guys:
Please help in deciding which city to go in Colombia.
I dont speak spanish and I have never been to Colombia before.
I do have experience in int'l travel.
Thanks for all your help in advance.
Player2[/QUOTE]I have been to BAQ, CTG and Cali so of those 3 places for hard core mongering, Cali wins hands down. With the right taxi driver He will take you to places you will not believe. Be sure to go to the naked pool hall. The quilty is not great but what an experence!
[QUOTE=Player2]Hi Guys:
Please help in deciding which city to go in Colombia.
I dont speak spanish and I have never been to Colombia before.
I do have experience in int'l travel.
Thanks for all your help in advance.
Player2[/QUOTE]If you don't speak spanish Cali is the last place to go, nobody speaks any english in Cali and you will be eaten alive, if you must go to Colombia, I would suggest monger haven ctg or someplace like the mansion or el castillo in mde. In a place like the mansion you will find other eager mongers in the same position as you who "might" be wiling to help you along, if not you have the mansion staff!
[QUOTE=Player2]Hi Guys:
Please help in deciding which city to go in Colombia.
I dont speak spanish and I have never been to Colombia before.
I do have experience in int'l travel.
Thanks for all your help in advance.
Player2[/QUOTE]Since you don't speak spanish CTG is your best choice.
Where is this naked pool hall vics?
What's the corrct term for the naked pool hall its in cali right?
I'm thinking about visiting Colombia and have been browsing the Colombia posts and am surprised at how high the prices are here. Colombia doesn't get as many visitors as Thailand and is also more dangerous/less tourist friendly, yet the prices seem to be about twice as much in Colombia versus Thailand. Is there something special about the women in Colombia that make it worth the higher price?
I'm thinking about visiting Colombia and have been browsing the Colombia posts and am surprised at how high the prices are here. Colombia doesn't get as many visitors as Thailand and is also more dangerous/less tourist friendly, yet the prices seem to be more expensive in Colombia than Thailand. Is there something special about the women in Colombia that make it worth the higher price?
[QUOTE=Hm Hw]I'm thinking about visiting Colombia and have been browsing the Colombia posts and am surprised at how high the prices are here. Colombia doesn't get as many visitors as Thailand and is also more dangerous/less tourist friendly, yet the prices seem to be more expensive in Colombia than Thailand. Is there something special about the women in Colombia that make it worth the higher price?[/QUOTE]If you want low prices definitely head to Thailand NOT Colombia. The price difference is closer to 3x lower in Asia. The big draw to Colombia is many of us are bilingual and obviously the flight is shorter, among other things. But I think most of us will agree it is not a budget destination especially with the stronger peso in the last 12mo.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]I have been to BAQ, CTG and Cali so of those 3 places for hard core mongering, Cali wins hands down. With the right taxi driver He will take you to places you will not believe. Be sure to go to the naked pool hall. The quilty is not great but what an experence![/QUOTE]Hmmm ... I definitely wouldn´t steer a new guy to Cali on his first trip.
I´ve visted the pool hall a couple times, and though it´s interesting, and like you said, not great quality, it`s definitely not a reason to choose Cali over another city within Colombia.
A visit to Cartagena or the Medellin Mansion would be far more enjoyable for a first time IMHO.
[QUOTE=Tjmee]What's the corrct term for the naked pool hall its in cali right?[/QUOTE]The name of the place is Bar Billar Discoteka. It is near the Chipi Choppi Mall.
And for the record I did not say that this pool hall was the reason to go to Cali.
[QUOTE=Player2]Hi Guys:
Please help in deciding which city to go in Colombia.
I dont speak spanish and I have never been to Colombia before.
I do have experience in int'l travel.
Thanks for all your help in advance.
Player2[/QUOTE]If you do not speak any Spanish, I think there is not much point to go to Colombia. You will miss a lot. Even though taxi drivers usually know some English, and also places like Medellin Mansion will help you a lot, but the girls usually know at most 1-2 words in English. Also girls who come to Mansion charge a lot. I think it would be simpler to go to Curacao where everything is very simple and Colombian girls there are more experienced with foreigners and they are relatively cheap.
The Medellin mansion is like a banquet hall, it seems, from what I have checked online and its owned by aussie greg. Its not like a real bar. Is it? They have like bday parties for kids there.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]If you do not speak any Spanish, I think there is not much point to go to Colombia. You will miss a lot. Even though taxi drivers usually know some English, and also places like Medellin Mansion will help you a lot, but the girls usually know at most 1-2 words in English. Also girls who come to Mansion charge a lot. I think it would be simpler to go to Curacao where everything is very simple and Colombian girls there are more experienced with foreigners and they are relatively cheap.[/QUOTE]I have only been to CTG but in my experience if you wait long enough you can always find a girl that speaks at least some english (more than 1 or 2 words). I have never been to Curacao but Colombia has a lot to offer and where I stayed many spoke english.
Mongers,
Any recommendations in Bogata to purchase authentic Emeralds, Rubys or Sapphires at good prices?
Thank you.
[QUOTE=Looking For Eden]I have only been to CTG but in my experience if you wait long enough you can always find a girl that speaks at least some english (more than 1 or 2 words). I have never been to Curacao but Colombia has a lot to offer and where I stayed many spoke english.[/QUOTE]I guess you are right, it looks like there are more English-speaking girls in CTG. But in Medellin and Bogota I have not met any English-speaking working girl. In Medellin I stayed at the Mansion and they do everything to help you around. But at the time when I did not speak much Spanish the experience with girls was quite dumb for me. Of course it was good, but you feel really stupid when they try to say something to you and you don't understand. One girl was asking me if I wanted her to be my girlfriend, but I did not get it. When I learned some Spanish, it was a completely different story.
[QUOTE=Hlover]Mongers,
Any recommendations in Bogata to purchase authentic Emeralds, Rubys or Sapphires at good prices?
Thank you.[/QUOTE]Rubys and Sapphires I don't know anything about, but I looked at how to do this with Emeralds and came to the conclusion that for the average person its nearly impossible. While grading diamonds is straightforward, grading emeralds is not: they have many more variables and can easily be treated to hide flaws from all but the most expert eyes. Consequently most reputable jewellers won't touch them (if you're thinking of resale).
Having said that I do have a source, and emeralds can be graded and certified by state bodies, so if you've found people who would buy them let me know and maybe we can work something out.
Following the fantastic forum feedback (zero!) on my question regarding lovehouses / short-time motels in Colombia.
I got some private input from Col Bog1 and Johan007 (You Guys Rocks! :) )
So, to help other members searching for lovehouses around Colombia, here comes a list: (from the Colombian "Yellow pages")
I have not tested any of these myself, but if you have + or - from some motel, please contribute to the forum.
Now to the list.
Barranquilla:
[url]http://www.paginasamarillas.com/pagamanet/web/companyCategory.aspx?ipa=*&npa=Todos+los+Pa%edses&idi=1&txb=moteles&nci=barranquilla+[/url]
Bogota:
[url]http://www.paginasamarillas.com/pagamanet/web/companyCategory.aspx?ipa=*&npa=Todos+los+Pa%edses&idi=1&txb=moteles&nci=bogota[/url]
Cali:
[url]http://www.paginasamarillas.com/pagamanet/web/companyCategory.aspx?ipa=*&npa=Todos+los+Pa%edses&idi=1&txb=moteles&nci=cali[/url]
Cartagena:
[url]http://www.paginasamarillas.com/pagamanet/web/companyCategory.aspx?ipa=*&npa=Todos+los+Pa%edses&idi=1&txb=moteles&nci=cartagena[/url]
Medellin:
[url]http://www.paginasamarillas.com/pagamanet/web/companyCategory.aspx?ipa=*&npa=Todos+los+Pa%edses&idi=1&txb=moteles&nci=medellin[/url]
Santa Marta:
[url]http://www.paginasamarillas.com/pagamanet/web/companyCategory.aspx?ipa=*&npa=Todos+los+Pa%edses&idi=1&txb=moteles&nci=santa+marta[/url]
Final words: Again, thanks to all you members who contribute to the better of the forum.
Happy Hunting / Ken Apples
Thank you Addicted to Women.
I will keep you in mind. Certifications are extremely important if you plan to resell on line. Its less important if you resell to a reputable dealer with the equipment to check the 4 Cs.
Another message board suggested the following Bogota locations:
[url]www.colomguia.com/Paginasdirectorio/Joyerias/joyas3.htm[/url]
Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
Keeps pounding the fact that F.A.R.C. was totally out smarted. I wish they would shut up already, before they drive the rebels into town to replace their missing americans. Now is a glorious time to be colombian, but might be a good time to let the dust settle before returning as a monger. I think I will head back to Northern Chile for awhile.
What is the situation with Visas to Colombia? How long is it possible to stay on a tourist visa? Is there any kind of retirement visa? What do you do about long stay if you plan to live there?
Thanks,
Khun Talung
You can stay up to 90 days if you are a US citizen without a visa.
For more information on Colombia Visas Check [url]http://www.visascolombia.com[/url]
[QUOTE=Looking For Eden]You can stay up to 90 days if you are a US citizen without a visa.[/QUOTE]Actually you can stay no more than 180 days in a calendar year without a VISA. You normally get a stamp for 60 days on arrival. You can get 30-day extensions at the local DAS office.
There are many kinds of VISAs including retirement. The Rentista VISA is the easiest to get. You need to get the first Rentista VISA outside of Colombia.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]There are many kinds of VISAs including retirement. The Rentista VISA is the easiest to get. You need to get the first Rentista VISA outside of Colombia.[/QUOTE]Tom
What's a rentista visa?
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]Tom
What's a rentista visa?[/QUOTE]It is a VISA granted to, among other nationalities, US citizens who have an income of US$2000 per month or US$24,000 in cash or stock. The dollar amounts may be a little higher now. The VISA is granted for one year and can be renewed in Colombia with proof of income or assets.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Likewise, I have only ever been to Bogota and the surrounding area, never been past Melgar, but from what I've seen first-hand.
There are sizeable communities in Bogota of Brazilians and Cubans, plus LOTS of people from Ecuador, Venezuela, Argentina, etc. And there are whole areas of town inhabited by almost nothing but Paisas, other areas inhabited by almost nothing but Costeños, others almost entirely by Vallunos, others by Boyacos etc. Not to mention out of the 3 million people that have been displaced in Colombia over the past 50 years at LEAST 50% of them have wound up in Bogota.
And BTW Facebook is MASSIVE in Colombia, just like Orkut is in Brazil. And as far as I'm concerned the average Rolo is more progressive minded in many ways than the average New Yorker or Angelino even.[/QUOTE]Bango Cheito,
Bogota is the exception, not the rule. Based on your own comments above, you know little or nothing about Colombia outside of Bogota. That's fine, but you should have stated that originally.
It would be an error to generalize about American culture based on experiences limited to New York City. Likewise, generalizations about Colombia cannot be made by people whose experiences are limited to Bogota.
Bogota is the exception, not the rule.
Again, Colombians of any age do not use matchmaking services of any kind to meet other Colombians. There are no fraternities/sororities at Colombian universities. There are no dating agencies for busy young professional adults in Colombia.
Matchmaking services are contrary to Colombian culture. That is my point. What is your point?
Thanks for the replies. I checked into the Colombian Consulate website, which I should have thought of before bothering everyone (sometimes I don't know where my mind is). I think I can easily qualify for the Pensioner Visa, since I've been retired from the U. S. Army since 1973 (when I was 24), and I'm now just short of being 59 and get a good check. I'm not sure what the minimum monthly wage is in Colombia, but I bet I exceed the 10 months required. I couldn't find a listing for a Rentista Visa. I'll probably go to the Consulate in Atlanta, where my parents live and from where I'll be departing, and either get a tourist visa, or just go for the Retired Visa and be done with it.
I've just finished reading the entire General Information section, some 84 pages, it took 3 or 4 days off and on. An incredible amount of good information, I took notes. Among many, I'd like to thank Ricker for his reasoned replies and posts, and Surfer for suggesting I check out Manizales, Periera and Armenia as possible places to settle down and live, as they are smaller and SAFER than Medellin.
Having gone through 13 years of living in Thailand, 8 years of visiting KM11, and 5 years of living with a wonderful, but still Thai, young woman, I think that hooking into the prepago networks in what ever city I decide on would be the best bet for me. Variety certainly is the spice of life, and while being in love with someone is something special, living with them can get to be a burden. And unless the relationship is truly extraordinary, in the end people get tired of each other. So much more preferable to have someone come over when you need them, and have the rest of your life to yourself.
I hope to visit Colombia to look around this coming April, and may ask for recommendations as the time gets nearer.
Thanks again, Khun Talung. Or, as I may soon become, Senor Disgraciado
[QUOTE=Khun Talung] ... I hope to visit Colombia to look around this coming April, and may ask for recommendations as the time gets nearer.
Thanks again, Khun Talung. Or, as I may soon become, Senor Disgraciado ...[/QUOTE]Welcome aboard amigo!
If you're moving to Colombia though, I don't think Senor Desgraciado is a fitting name for you.
You know it means that you are an unlucky, less fortunate person ... desgraciado.
I would think Senor Afortunado would be more appropriate. :)
Good luck!
Yes, I certainly have been fortunate. Wounded at 23 after an exciting four years as a helicopter door gunner, I was lucky enough not to have been killed, and to have the rest of my life to do as I pleased with a government pension check. I've been able to travel around, live where I pleased, and not been beaten down by having to work. Fortunate indeed! What could I have done in the last life to deserve this?
I thought 'disgraciado' meant 'ungracious'. Obviously, I should take some Spanish lessons before I go. I was looking for 'Mr Rude', as in making inappropriate comments to women. Of course, I would only use that as a board name, not with the public. Nor would I be rude with women.
I think there are some dance studios here in Pattaya, I may try to take some Salsa lessons too.
Thanks to BdHbz for the link to latinamericancupid.com. I plugged in Man looking for Woman, 18-24, in Colombia, and on the first page that came up was Marlin, from Cerete. Oh my.
And some of the ladies were interested in men 18-88. Could these be prepagos? Did they overlook the age filter, or, are they up for anything with a heartbeat (and a wallet)?
I have to say, that thinking about Colombia has done the same thing for me that discovering KM11 did after 6 months of Marine Disco area starfish. Given me a new lease on life. I'm more enthusiastic and my mind is more energetic. I'm really looking forward to it.
Thanks to everyone for their contributions,
KT
[QUOTE=Khun Talung]Thanks for the replies. I checked into the Colombian Consulate website, which I should have thought of before bothering everyone (sometimes I don't know where my mind is). I think I can easily qualify for the Pensioner Visa, since I've been retired from the U. S. Army since 1973 (when I was 24), and I'm now just short of being 59 and get a good check. I'm not sure what the minimum monthly wage is in Colombia, but I bet I exceed the 10 months required. I couldn't find a listing for a Rentista Visa. I'll probably go to the Consulate in Atlanta, where my parents live and from where I'll be departing, and either get a tourist visa, or just go for the Retired Visa and be done with it.
I've just finished reading the entire General Information section, some 84 pages, it took 3 or 4 days off and on. An incredible amount of good information, I took notes. Among many, I'd like to thank Ricker for his reasoned replies and posts, and Surfer for suggesting I check out Manizales, Periera and Armenia as possible places to settle down and live, as they are smaller and SAFER than Medellin.
Having gone through 13 years of living in Thailand, 8 years of visiting KM11, and 5 years of living with a wonderful, but still Thai, young woman, I think that hooking into the prepago networks in what ever city I decide on would be the best bet for me. Variety certainly is the spice of life, and while being in love with someone is something special, living with them can get to be a burden. And unless the relationship is truly extraordinary, in the end people get tired of each other. So much more preferable to have someone come over when you need them, and have the rest of your life to yourself.
I hope to visit Colombia to look around this coming April, and may ask for recommendations as the time gets nearer.
Thanks again, Khun Talung. Or, as I may soon become, Senor Disgraciado[/QUOTE]You can get the first Pensionado VISA while you are in Colombia, but you have to do that in Bogotá. Courier services can be used to avoid the trip to BOG. And I know of people who have gotten the Pensionado VISA with quite small pensions. The stated minimum does not seem to apply.
You don't need to get a tourist VISA. All you have to do is present a US passport at entry, and they will stamp the tourist "VISA" onto your passport. They normally give 60 days at entry.
My point is simply that I think you are wrong, and that they are NOT contrary to Colombian culture, that in fact they are a better fit with Colombian culture than with North American culture. And I already stated my reasons why.
77% of Colombians live in cities, and frankly I doubt ANYBODY in this forum is going to have much truck with too many of the other 23%.
Guys,
If you had to choose, which one would you choose for mongering purposes if you had a modest (not fluent) knowledge of spanish?
Thank you, Tom 33, for all your info. There are many I'd like to thank, I feel like one of the people at the Academy Awards that pulls several full sized sheets of paper out of their pocket, trying to remember everyone that's had a kind word for them.
I think I'll just go by the Consulate anyway, it's no trouble, and at least get a six month tourist visa. I want to try several cities, and spend at least a month in each... or until I reach my boredom limit.
I notice you live in Medellin, after having been in Barranquilla for some time. Did you consider other cities as well, and decide on Medellin as the best option? I've been looking into Manizales, Periera and Armenia, as being smaller than Medellin, but fair sized, and safer. Do you think they would have fairly much the same facilities, as in decent food and groceries, gyms, and TV Cable Net?
Thanks again,
KT
[QUOTE=Sam I Am]Guys,
If you had to choose, which one would you choose for mongering purposes if you had a modest (not fluent) knowledge of spanish?[/QUOTE]Medellin, and stay at the Mansion.
Hi Guys:
Any USA based airline travel to CTG or MDE directly?
Thanks for all you help.
Player2
[QUOTE=Player2]Hi Guys:
Any USA based airline travel to CTG or MDE directly?
Thanks for all you help.
Player2[/QUOTE]American Airlines flies MIA-MDE direct. Spirit Air flies FLL-CTG direct.
I'm not being sarcastic. There's a very simple solution to that problem is just about every travel or airline site can solve. AA.com is one then there is Vayama and literally about 20 others. It's not that difficult.
MIA and FLL fly direct to those cities. Show a little resourcefulness.
[QUOTE=Player2]Hi Guys:
Any USA based airline travel to CTG or MDE directly?
Thanks for all you help.
Player2[/QUOTE]Spirit goes from Ft. Lauderdale to CTG direct.
[QUOTE=Player2]Hi Guys:
Any USA based airline travel to CTG or MDE directly?
Thanks for all you help.
Player2[/QUOTE]Avianca flys to CTG nonstop and to MDE for a little more from MIA. For MDE you might have to plan a little more in advance. Also spirit airlines also offers flights now from fort lauderdale but you pay for everything. In my opinion Avianca is worth the extra $20 you spend.
I know there has been discussion on the boards regarding murder rates. The Economist article this week has some interesting data. Read the article at [url]http://www.economist.com/world/la/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11750858[/url] or see the graph here
[img]http://bayimg.com/iAjolaAbO[/img]
Basically it is saying El Salvador and Venezuela are pretty dangerous. In Venzuela, last year, : more than 13,000 people were killed in a country of 27m, producing a murder rate of 48 per 100,000, the second highest in the world (after El Salvador). In neighboring Colombia, a country plagued by guerrilla war and drug violence, the rate was 40 per 100,000.
Caracas is currently the second most dangerous city in the Americas (after San Salvador). Even by the official figures, the murder rate is 130 per 100,000; but the true figure may be closer to a staggering 166 as only three of every 100 murderers are actually sentenced.
[QUOTE=Looking For Eden]Avianca flys to CTG nonstop and to MDE for a little more from MIA. For MDE you might have to plan a little more in advance. Also spirit airlines also offers flights now from fort lauderdale but you pay for everything. In my opinion Avianca is worth the extra $20 you spend.[/QUOTE]Any airline flies direct into MDE or CTG from west coast or Houston?
[QUOTE=Subaculture]I know there has been discussion on the boards regarding murder rates. The Economist article this week has some interesting data. Read the article at [url]http://www.economist.com/world/la/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11750858[/url] or see the graph here
[img]http://bayimg.com/iAjolaAbO[/img]
Basically it is saying El Salvador and Venezuela are pretty dangerous. In Venzuela, last year, : more than 13,000 people were killed in a country of 27m, producing a murder rate of 48 per 100,000, the second highest in the world (after El Salvador). In neighboring Colombia, a country plagued by guerrilla war and drug violence, the rate was 40 per 100,000.
Caracas is currently the second most dangerous city in the Americas (after San Salvador). Even by the official figures, the murder rate is 130 per 100,000; but the true figure may be closer to a staggering 166 as only three of every 100 murderers are actually sentenced.[/QUOTE]Recife Brazil deserves to be on the list too. Many murders there. I wonder how it compares to Caracas for its size. [url]www.pebodycount.com.br[/url] lists the daily murder count for Recife and it is often shocking.
[QUOTE=Player2]Any airline flies direct into MDE or CTG from west coast or Houston?[/QUOTE]I can't say for sure but I think no. Most either connect in Miami or sometimes you get a connecting flight in Panama city.
Colombia actually is down to 31 per 100k as of 2006 and many other countries are UP, including Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Costa Rica, and Venezuela. Some of them have passed Colombia.
I am not sure where to put this, so here I go. I am considering going for th first time to Colombia. I am long timer in Brasil, fluent in Portugese, can understand about 80% Spanish but speaking it is a challenge but I can manage myself with a mix of Portunhol. Now, for a first timer to Colombia, where would you suggest?
What about safety? how big of a concern is it down there?
Which city is the safest?
I was wondering if there was a kind of one guide for everything to do with Colombia as we have in the Brasil forum with the Bubba Guide.
I thank in advance any feedback.
[QUOTE=Sprite13]I am not sure where to put this, so here I go. I am considering going for th first time to Colombia. I am long timer in Brasil, fluent in Portugese, can understand about 80% Spanish but speaking it is a challenge but I can manage myself with a mix of Portunhol. Now, for a first timer to Colombia, where would you suggest?
What about safety? how big of a concern is it down there?
Which city is the safest?
I was wondering if there was a kind of one guide for everything to do with Colombia as we have in the Brasil forum with the Bubba Guide.
I thank in advance any feedback.[/QUOTE]The tourist zone in Cartagena is the safest place in Colombia. Safety is no concern there, and you can get by with limited Spanish.
Hello!
Here's the deal. I am going to have to call a chica who lives in Cali, while I am actually in Cali, but I do not want the girl to know I am in Colombia. I want the number that will appear on her caller I.d to look as if my call was made from the U.S. or any location for that matter, as long as it is not a Colombia number appearing on her cellphone. I know it can be done, but I just do not know how, so I am hoping someone can help me out on this one!.
Thanks!
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]Hello!
Here's the deal. I am going to have to call a chica who lives in Cali, while I am actually in Cali, but I do not want the girl to know I am in Colombia. I want the number that will appear on her caller I.d to look as if my call was made from the U.S. or any location for that matter, as long as it is not a Colombia number appearing on her cellphone. I know it can be done, but I just do not know how, so I am hoping someone can help me out on this one!.
Thanks![/QUOTE]Try this: [url]http://www.calleridspoofing.info/[/url]
Buy a long distance phone card from the US, but make sure it the access number is not a 1-800 number (ie, normal area code). When in Cali, just call the calling card number in the states, and make a normal international call to Cali. Just make sure you use the card a few times while in the States so she becomes acostumed to the number.
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]Hello!
Here's the deal. I am going to have to call a chica who lives in Cali, while I am actually in Cali, but I do not want the girl to know I am in Colombia. I want the number that will appear on her caller I.d to look as if my call was made from the U.S. or any location for that matter, as long as it is not a Colombia number appearing on her cellphone. I know it can be done, but I just do not know how, so I am hoping someone can help me out on this one!.
Thanks![/QUOTE]
Make the call from your computer using SKYPE or 12VOIP.
Willie
Use Skype, Yahoo, or some other computer based phone service.
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]Hello!
Here's the deal. I am going to have to call a chica who lives in Cali, while I am actually in Cali, but I do not want the girl to know I am in Colombia. I want the number that will appear on her caller I.d to look as if my call was made from the U.S. or any location for that matter, as long as it is not a Colombia number appearing on her cellphone. I know it can be done, but I just do not know how, so I am hoping someone can help me out on this one!.
Thanks![/QUOTE]I've done it many times.
Simply call a US calling card, access number in the US, and use it to make your call in Cali.
The call will not appear to be local.
Good luck!
Thanks guys!. Anyone going to be around Cali/Cartagena/Barranquilla/Santa Marta and Pereria in September, or the first week in October send me a p.m, and I will buy some drinks!
Here is a new one.
[url]http://www.magicjack.com/4/index.asp[/url]
[QUOTE=Sucio]Use Skype, Yahoo, or some other computer based phone service.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ricker]I've done it many times.
Simply call a US calling card, access number in the US, and use it to make your call in Cali.
The call will not appear to be local.
Good luck![/QUOTE]Many times I have placed a call from the US using my calling card and a Colombian phone # will appear on the receiving ends caller ID. "Amor Donde Estas"?
[QUOTE=Aussie Mate]Many times I have placed a call from the US using my calling card and a Colombian phone # will appear on the receiving ends caller ID. "Amor Donde Estas"?[/QUOTE]This is true and has happened to me. Sometimes the calls are routed through Bogota or other areas in Colombia. Sometimes they appear as cell phone numbers. That is why I recommended calling before traveling, so the girl becomes accostumed to the number that appears on her phone.
[QUOTE=Aussie Mate]Many times I have placed a call from the US using my calling card and a Colombian phone # will appear on the receiving ends caller ID. "Amor Donde Estas"?[/QUOTE]You know what ... you're right. I remember the chica asking me sometimes if I was calling from within Colombia, because her ID said that.
It seems as though sometimes it does connect thru a Colombian line and other times not.
I think whoever suggested Skype had the best idea. I use that too, just forgot.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Ricker]You know what ... you're right. I remember the chica asking me sometimes if I was calling from within Colombia, because her ID said that.
It seems as though sometimes it does connect thru a Colombian line and other times not.
I think whoever suggested Skype had the best idea. I use that too, just forgot.
Thanks[/QUOTE]My friends, this is what I do, for I am in the very same situation from my traveling between mde and clo with having a very serious novia in Cali. Before I leave for Medellin I buy a phone card that you can use in the states to call Colombia ala orbitel, a $10 card gets you 10 honest hours. Now in Medellin I buy a phone card to call the states from any lotto stand. Ebt, buy one from 10mil or a 20mil for those go fast depending on how much you are going to call. Step 1 call the states using the ebt card. Step 2 call the orbitel phone card number, step 3 then call back to Colombia to her cell or fijo. And there you go, the number will come up scrambled two times and come up unknown!
Hello,
One thing that is lacking on this list is a recommended Doctor.
(Regardless if your prefer pro or non pro, sometimes you need a good Doctor, - and that without waiting for days. Just "call for an appointment".
So - please add info on professional and realible doctor that can be recommended to help out the kind of issues we might run into.
Greetings / Ken Apples
[QUOTE=World Travel 69]Here is a new one.
[url]http://www.magicjack.com/4/index.asp[/url][/QUOTE]Good small portable software, I am using for past 7 months very happy with traveling around Europe, Asia good quality connection, calls to USA & Canada are free and international calls are cheap. Very good for private calls.
Cheers!
Bogota, Cali, Medellin, Cartagena, Barranquilla, Bucaramanga, or ?
If a guy with only an intermediate spanish ability was to go to Columbia for only a 1 or 2 week mongering experience, which destination city should he choose ?
I'm guessing that some of the criteria to consider would be climate, crime, hotel/hostal prices, chica prices, chica friendliness or attitude, flight accessability, etc
I'd appreciate any opinions/info from some of you more seasoned Columbia mongerers to help me decide a trip there.
Does anyone know the dependability of the mail in Colombia? If I order something from the U. S. , what are the chances of receiving it? Working for the Post Office in Thailand is like having a license to steal.
KT
[QUOTE=Bobisee]Bogota, Cali, Medellin, Cartagena, Barranquilla, Bucaramanga, or ?
If a guy with only an intermediate spanish ability was to go to Columbia for only a 1 or 2 week mongering experience, which destination city should he choose ?
I'm guessing that some of the criteria to consider would be climate, crime, hotel/hostal prices, chica prices, chica friendliness or attitude, flight accessability, etc
I'd appreciate any opinions/info from some of you more seasoned Columbia mongerers to help me decide a trip there.[/QUOTE]I would say Cartagena but I have not been to all the cities you mentioned. Cartagena is the safest from what I hear and experienced and also gets the most tourists from around Colombia too. Also, I speak just a little spanish and got by fine there.
[QUOTE=Bobisee]Bogota, Cali, Medellin, Cartagena, Barranquilla, Bucaramanga, or ?
If a guy with only an intermediate spanish ability was to go to Columbia for only a 1 or 2 week mongering experience, which destination city should he choose ?
I'm guessing that some of the criteria to consider would be climate, crime, hotel/hostal prices, chica prices, chica friendliness or attitude, flight accessability, etc
I'd appreciate any opinions/info from some of you more seasoned Columbia mongerers to help me decide a trip there.[/QUOTE]After thinking it over you should really go to Medellin! :)You will probably find other gringos in the same situation as you, and it is a very good possibility you will find a wing man there. It is my opinion that Medellin is the best place for a gringo to visit. :) I would never recommend you come to Cali because of the safety and language factor, and if you like nightlife, Cartagena really does not have much to offer. It is a big city, but very small at the same time.
Have fun and be safe, and ENJOY Medellin! :)
[QUOTE=Khun Talung]Does anyone know the dependability of the mail in Colombia? If I order something from the U. S. , what are the chances of receiving it? Working for the Post Office in Thailand is like having a license to steal.
KT[/QUOTE]It is zero. There are private shippers like FedEx. However, Colombian customs can make your experience hell.
Just don't do it.
If cost and comfortable weather are your biggest priorities I'd pick Medellin, otherwise Cartagena. Bogota would be my #3 choice, and Barranquilla a distant #4. I've never been to Cali or Bucaramanga, but from what I've read they wouldn't be good choices for someone with intermediate language ability who's concerned about crime.
[QUOTE=Bobisee]Bogota, Cali, Medellin, Cartagena, Barranquilla, Bucaramanga, or ?
If a guy with only an intermediate spanish ability was to go to Columbia for only a 1 or 2 week mongering experience, which destination city should he choose ?
I'm guessing that some of the criteria to consider would be climate, crime, hotel/hostal prices, chica prices, chica friendliness or attitude, flight accessability, etc
I'd appreciate any opinions/info from some of you more seasoned Columbia mongerers to help me decide a trip there.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Khun Talung]Does anyone know the dependability of the mail in Colombia? If I order something from the U. S. , what are the chances of receiving it? Working for the Post Office in Thailand is like having a license to steal.
KT[/QUOTE]I have shipped boxes through the U.S. mail to Bucaramanga and so far have not had any problems.It normally takes at least 3 to 4 weeks to arrive in Colombia.
The only good way to get stuff into Colombia like that is to use a good re-shipper from NYC or Miami.
Here is an interesting website I just came across!
It is in spanish.
[url]http://www.guiacereza.com/home.php[/url]
Thanks to all of you who commented on my question about the mail.
In Medellin, what is the prevalence Of Karaokes in residential barrios, like Santa Monica and Bello? Living in Pattaya, I am sick of listening to drunks moaning at maximum volume ALL NIGHT. Are there any barrios that are actually quiet at night?
Thanks,
KT
[QUOTE=Khun Talung]Thanks to all of you who commented on my question about the mail.
In Medellin, what is the prevalence Of Karaokes in residential barrios, like Santa Monica and Bello? Living in Pattaya, I am sick of listening to drunks moaning at maximum volume ALL NIGHT. Are there any barrios that are actually quiet at night?
Thanks,
KT[/QUOTE]With the exception of and Friday or Saturday all-night party maybe once a month, Santa Mónica is fairly quiet between 10:00 pm and 5:00 am as long as you are not too close to a main street.
Conquistadores is a little noisier especially near la 65.
I spent a month in Barrio La Paz in Envigado in an urbanizacion a few years ago. That was very quiet.
Here is some good humor I am sure many of you guys can relate to, but you have to wonder what these girls are thinking. Today, I received an email letter from a girl from Cartagena, who I have actually set up several guys from the forum with. I have not heard from her for approximately 3 months or so. When I did hear from her last, she was cursing me out because she saw me talking to another girl in LDV. To make a long story short, she writes in her email about how she misses me and desires me everyday, but the funny part of it is, she has sent this same message to 16 other guys, as all the email addresses of the guys are shown on her email to me. I write her back and tell her thank you, but you have sent this same message to many others. She then writes me back and tells me the message is especially for me, that the other guys were just amigos. She then proceeds to tell me how I have all these girlfriends in Cartagena, and how she has followed me out of LDV on a couple of occasions, and saw a girl and me go into my apartment, which is several blocks from LDV. I then respond back to her, that yes I do have many friends in Cartagena who are just that, friends, not sex partners. ;) Of course, then I receive a message telling me I am nothing but a liar, but she still loves me. Now why is it, these girls can write 16 guys, but it is not alright for us to be with another girl? This has always mind fucked me.
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[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]Here is some good humor I am sure many of you guys can relate to, but you have to wonder what these girls are thinking. Today, I received an email letter from a girl from Cartagena, who I have actually set up several guys from the foru....alright for us to be with another girl? This has always mind fucked me.[/QUOTE]I am not trying to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you off and I have respect for your experiences. I think you are real.
But lets be real here? Many of these girls that we "associate" with, have some MAJOR problems. This is why some have some major drinking/drug problems. Of course, SOME of these girls. Do this for a job but the reality is that we will come accross a Higher rate of crazies than the general population.
What is funny is that she sent the same Email to other guys without realizing it and will still hold on to the folly! ? If she was an American, she would probably still believe everything that our President says as Gospel truth!
I wouldn't let it bother you! You can actually have more fun with her by saying that you haven't let her guard down around you and she has high walls! Just let you inside! LOL
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife] Now why is it, these girls can write 16 guys, but it is not alright for us to be with another girl? This has always mind fucked me.[/QUOTE]Because they're just friends of course, except you. Lol, classic GDP.
[QUOTE=Whome69]I am not trying to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you off and I have respect for your experiences. I think you are real.
But lets be real here? Many of these girls that we "associate" with, have some MAJOR problems. This is why some have some major drinking/drug problems. Of course, SOME of these girls. Do this for a job but the reality is that we will come accross a Higher rate of crazies than the general population.
What is funny is that she sent the same Email to other guys without realizing it and will still hold on to the folly! ? If she was an American, she would probably still believe everything that our President says as Gospel truth!
I wouldn't let it bother you! You can actually have more fun with her by saying that you haven't let her guard down around you and she has high walls! Just let you inside! LOL[/QUOTE]
I am not upset about this. I think it is funny. I have no emotional attachment what so ever to any of these girls. I was simply pointing out the delusional way of thinking of these girls. I do however disagree with you on your drug/alcohol claims. It is my opinion most of these girls are to lazy to actually have to work at a normal type of job, or they are in the business out of necessity to support there families, and cannot make the money to do so in a normal type of job. I do not believe for one minute most have drug and alcohol problems. It is also my experience with Colombianas, that they love to claim you as there property, even after one date, despite the fact they work in the sex industry. This is the part that mind fucks me.
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]I am not upset about this. I think it is funny. I have no emotional attachment what so ever to any of these girls. I was simply pointing out the delusional way of thinking of these girls. I do however disagree with you on your drug/alcohol claims. It is my opinion most of these girls are to lazy to actually have to work at a normal type of job, or they are in the business out of necessity to support there families, and cannot make the money to do so in a normal type of job. I do not believe for one minute most have drug and alcohol problems. It is also my experience with Colombianas, that they love to claim you as there property, even after one date, despite the fact they work in the sex industry. This is the part that mind fucks me.[/QUOTE]If you are seeking logical and honest women, then Colombia is not the place to look for them. This is particularly true of Colombian prostitutes.
I agree that most Colombian prostututes do not have drug/alcohol problems, but the nature of their work attracts Colombian women that already have psychological problems prior to working as a prostitute and also induces psychological problems in many otherwise "normal" women after they begin working as a prostitute.
[QUOTE=Client 9]If you are seeking logical and honest women, then Colombia is not the place to look for them. This is particularly true of Colombian prostitutes.
I agree that most Colombian prostututes do not have drug/alcohol problems, but the nature of their work attracts Colombian women that already have psychological problems prior to working as a prostitute and also induces psychological problems in many otherwise "normal" women after they begin working as a prostitute.[/QUOTE]That's a bit hard: Colombian women make excellent partners, albeit as illogical as most of their sex tend to be.
And while I haven't yet completed my full and thorough survey I do believe that a great number of sex workers do tend to snort their earnings up their nose. As do many of their johns.
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]That's a bit hard: Colombian women make excellent partners, albeit as illogical as most of their sex tend to be.
And while I haven't yet completed my full and thorough survey I do believe that a great number of sex workers do tend to snort their earnings up their nose. As do many of their johns.[/QUOTE]I never said that Colombian women don't make excellent partners. I am saying that, generally speaking, American women are more logical and more honest than Colombian women.
I never said that many prostitues are not drug addicts. I said that most Colombian prostitutes are not drug addicts.
I do not think Colombian women go into prostitution because of self-esteem and psychological problems, although I am sure all do have problems, just like you and I.
The reason they go into hooking is plain and simple---MONEY
Should a woman with a bambino go work in factory and make maybe 2-3 dollars an hour, and struggle to even live, or should work in a casa or freelance and make maybe 3-4 times as much money minimal?
This is also cultural, for many of these girls support not only bambinos, but also mama, little brothers and sisters etc.
Intresting topic
I think if you look at american stripers and hookers, then yes many of them have emotional and personal problems, and use their income to support drug habbits or bad boyfriends. in asia or south america and colombia i think this trend is becoming more visible, i see many non-moms hitting the working circut for many months now, not just paying college tuition but to live a upperclass lifestyle, IE buying motos, twingos, paying for school, rents, boyfriends and have the freedom that comes with surplus money, these women are selfish and more hard core, and earn tons of money. still i dont think the problem in colombia is as bad as it is in america many single moms working for the children, these women can be negotiated or talked down in price and often give better service, nothing is equal, or even everything is subject to change.
From my first trip to Colombia, 3.5 weeks, while it is fresh in my mind:
1. Buy a SIM for your GSM phone. Cel numbers are 10 digits and start with 3. For fixed lines, start with 03 plus the city code (1 for bogota, 4 for medellin) then then fixed line number. If you date non-pros, never leave your cel turned off even by accident. They will be sure you are cheating on them.
2. Internet cafes are everywhere. If there isn't an @ character on the keyboard, type Alt + 64 on the numeric keypad.
3. The sidewalks are very irregular and have pot holes. If you need to girl watch, I suggest that you stop walking. Otherwise, you may twist your ankle or break a leg.
4. People are friendly and welcoming, especially in Medellin. It is easy to strike up conversations. many will practice there English on you, but Speaking Spanish is necessary to function on your own or to approach non-pros. My Spanish is not perfect, but it was enough for most things.
5. There are many beautiful women in Colombia, ranging from white to black with everything in between except Asian and very tall. But the majority are ordinary looking. Silicon is not as prevalent as I expected from my observation of the pros in St Maarten. It is heavily concentrated in the Poblado neigborhood of Medellin.
6. Pros.
In strip clubs and girlie bars, the on-site rooms for sex are sometimes hidden behind secret doors. I found this charming. My favorite was Maracaibo strip club on Calle 53 in Medellin, where you first duck under the bar counter, then duck again through a bar height secret passage.
I did not see any massage places or sex casas with signs. That is probably why there are people on every busy corner giving out cards for such places. I picked up 7 in a few hours walking around.
Sunday is quiet in Colombia, with many shops closed. In Medellin, cards from Atenae, Barcelona and Play Model claimed they were open on Sundays.
One of my favorite pro sessions was back in Bogota. I was walking to the corner of CRA 15 and Calle 84, when I spotted two attractive girls and smiled at them. They said hello and handed me a card. It was for a massage parlor nearby:
Sala de Masajes La Femme.
Open mon-sat, 10am to 8pm. CRA 15 No 86A-57, apt 301 on the 3rd floor.
Their web site doesn't say much. [url]http://www.geocities.com/la_femme_gourmet[/url]
I walked on, but was intrigued. I have been given many such cards, but this was the first time the card came from two of the working girls, giving me an advance look at what was on offer. And very pretty ones. I liked their enterprise and I thought the price might be better than the other places in Zona Rosa.
I went up to the 3rd floor and the girl who spoke to me on the street recognized me and gave a big smile. Natalia. She introduced the other 4 girls. All nice, no gordos, but no 10s either. Prices are 60k for massage, 80k for massage with something extra (I presume CBJ) and 100K for full serviee. for an hour. With a massage table, not a bed.
I focused my attention on Natalia, because I had a connection with her. I selected the 100K option. Very GFE.
I pulled out my ipod and speakers and let her select Sin Bandera. I happened to have a Sin bandera cd in my bag, so I gave it to her as a gift (I consider this a good 50 cent investment). The massage table was not the best for sex, but we managed admirably. When I was finished I gave her a massage. She gave me her number and asked me to call her tomorrow.
7. Non-pros.
I found myself moving too slowly for most Colombian women. One beautiful girl in a shoe store in downtown Medellin had to wave to me across the street the second day I walked by and then had to ask me for my phone number. I found it very hard to get over North American habits, but it was necessary. This girl then called me two days later, after I was in Bogota and could not do anything about it.
An Ipod with good latin and USA pop music is a great ice breaker, and a seduction tool if you include romantic ballads. But Colombians listen to a lot more local pop music (ranchera, vallenato, llanera, drinking songs, etc.) than I would have believed possible.
Non-pros have a life with a schedule and responsibilities. They can't just stop everything and play with you. I have been spoiled by 3 years of Colombian pros in St Maarten (in brothels where they work on 3 month visas).
Non-pros may be using you, even if subconsciously. For example, if she is lonely and horny, the sex may be hot and passionate. But she may not be horny again for a week. You make a good paying escort for restaurants, clubs, movies, etc. One paisa MILF had never been on the metrocable before, in fact she didn't know how the metro worked. One night in bogota with a young beauty without much money, she ordered lobster for 120k and I ordered a bottle of wine and then I ordered a small bottle of imported whiskey at a Parque 93 disco, and the evening cost over 400K. And I was so tired and drunk at the end, sex was not an option, even if she didn't have to go home to get a couple of hours sleep before her obligations of the next day. But another beautiful woman, an engineer, went with me to see the new Mummy movie on opening weekend and ate lightly in the mall and cost me less than 50K. I met these women and others through cypercupido.com - only one was an obvious prepago, the rest were normal middle=class women.
8. Visiting a pro at home.
I only called one of the many girls that I was friendly with in the St Maarten clubs,
When I arrived at her house, she had severe cramps from a drug she had taken to abort a pregancy she got working in the islands (not mine). It didn't work, so 2 nights later she took a stronger more dangerous drug and at 1:30am I heard her crying in the bathroom as she flushed the fetus down the toilet. She was a physical and mental wreck for 2 days more. All the while, hiding what was happening from her young son, her neighbors and her mother.
It was an intense, up-close, real-life experience, but not one that I would recommend for your vacation in Colombia.
9. Security. I visited Bogota, Medellin, Barranquilla, and Ibague. I walked a lot, rode the bus, took taxis, rode the metro, went to the circus, discos, bars, and public festivals, and explored scummy downtown Medellin during the day. I followed precautions as recommmended by Colombians (don't go downtown at night, don't wear jewelry, etc.). There are police and security guards everywhere in good areas and shopping centers. I experienced no petty crime and felt safe. However, I didn't get drunk very often and never alone, or visit any poor rural areas, or flash any money around and I stayed only in secure neighborhoods.
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[QUOTE=Client 9]I never said that Colombian women don't make excellent partners. I am saying that, generally speaking, American women are more logical and more honest than Colombian women.
I never said that many prostitues are not drug addicts. I said that most Colombian prostitutes are not drug addicts.[/QUOTE]IMHO you have been very lucky if the American women that you have delt with have been more honest and logical than Colombianas.Speaking of *****s a Gringa is way more likely to rip you off since most of them are drug users while the Colombiana is most likely trying to support her family. As far as logic, 99% of all women are impossible to deal with.
Thank you posting.
Your report was very insightful and well written. Easy to follow and understand.
Visiting Bogota in October and appreciate if you could furnish additional information on Bogota.
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I was just checking how much my bank, Bank of America, buttf*cks me and my fellow Colombian travellers when we use an ATM in Locombia
BOFA charges $5.00 per use, plus 3% of what you take out. So, for example, if you take out $200, BOFA makes $11.00 on the transaction, and that does not include the charge from the bank of the ATM machine. Ouch
[QUOTE=Gonzo]I was just checking how much my bank, Bank of America, buttf*cks me and my fellow Colombian travellers when we use an ATM in Locombia
BOFA charges $5.00 per use, plus 3% of what you take out. So, for example, if you take out $200, BOFA makes $11.00 on the transaction, and that does not include the charge from the bank of the ATM machine. Ouch[/QUOTE]Get a Washington mutual card a flat 1% and NO MONTHLY maintenance fees of any sort and NO FOREIGN transaction fees either..
OR I have read that Capital One has NO FEES whatsoever, but it depends on what card you have.
OR
Get a PAYPAL DEBIT CARD..... FLAT $1 fee... only $400usd cash per day limit withdraw.
[QUOTE=Gonzo]I was just checking how much my bank, Bank of America, buttf*cks me and my fellow Colombian travellers when we use an ATM in Locombia
BOFA charges $5.00 per use, plus 3% of what you take out. So, for example, if you take out $200, BOFA makes $11.00 on the transaction, and that does not include the charge from the bank of the ATM machine. Ouch[/QUOTE]CapitalOne = no fees whatsoever.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]CapitalOne = no fees whatsoever.[/QUOTE]The problem with capitalone is they are on the plus network which only has 4 institutions in COL you can use:
BANCO POPULAR, bancafe, BBVA, and AV Villas
If you are outside of the largest a major cities, you may have no options. I have much better access with my coop account, and also no fees.
Also I prefer the larger banks like davienda that allow larger withdrawls, and dispense smaller bills.
Trust me if you like smaller cities, it is a pain when you go to AV villas, the ATM reboots in the middle of the transaction, so you are not sure if you are debited twice.. Then it only dispenses 200K and only in 50's after you have stood in line for 20min, because your card will not work at any of the other banks !
[QUOTE=Cabroncito]The problem with capitalone is they are on the plus network which only has 4 institutions in COL you can use:
BANCO POPULAR, bancafe, BBVA, and AV Villas
If you are outside of the largest a major cities, you may have no options. I have much better access with my coop account, and also no fees.
Also I prefer the larger banks like davienda that allow larger withdrawls, and dispense smaller bills.
Trust me if you like smaller cities, it is a pain when you go to AV villas, the ATM reboots in the middle of the transaction, so you are not sure if you are debited twice.. Then it only dispenses 200K and only in 50's after you have stood in line for 20min, because your card will not work at any of the other banks ![/QUOTE]Since I live in Medellín, I have no problems. I have heard that Servibanca has started to accept Plus. Davivienda bought Bancafe about a year ago. AV Villas in Medellín gives 300K per transaction-5 50s, 2 20s and 1 10.
The very small cities will not have Plus ATMs.
No fees, that's why I'm bringing both a cap one credit card and money market credit card. I wonder if the two ATMs that I know of Laguito, CTG, the one near the Playa Mar hotel and the one in the Hilton, are on these networks.
As the commercial says: Capital One, what's in your wallet?
Answer: Dinero para las chicas y un condon.
[QUOTE=Cabroncito]The problem with capitalone is they are on the plus network which only has 4 institutions in COL you can use:
BANCO POPULAR, bancafe, BBVA, and AV Villas [/QUOTE]
Mongers,
I always use a Wachovia debit card, which uses the Plus network, at various ATMs in Colombia, including Bancolombia (in the Bogota Airport) and several Citibank locations in Medellin. At Bancolombia I am able able to pull $700k pesos and Citibank $800k. These transactions always yield about $600k in $50k bills and the rest in $20k and $10k bills. Wachovia fucks me on the fees, but significantly less than what Bank of America charges. Overall, it is still much better than the rate available to charge cash dollars.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
[QUOTE=Cabroncito]The problem with capitalone is they are on the plus network which only has 4 institutions in COL you can use:
BANCO POPULAR, bancafe, BBVA, and AV Villas
If you are outside of the largest a major cities, you may have no options. I have much better access with my coop account, and also no fees.[/QUOTE]Cirrus is a worldwide interbank network. It links MasterCard, Maestro, Diners Club credit, debit and prepaid cards to a network of over 1,000,000 ATMs in 93 countries.
Maestro cards are, by default, linked to the Cirrus network, but very often, all three logotypes of the MasterCard family will be shown: MasterCard, Maestro and Cirrus.
In South America look for: Banelco - Banred - Conexus - GlobalNet - Link - Redbanc - Suiche 7B - Telebanco - Unicard
[QUOTE=Gonzo]No fees, that's why I'm bringing both a cap one credit card and money market credit card. I wonder if the two ATMs that I know of Laguito, CTG, the one near the Playa Mar hotel and the one in the Hilton, are on these networks.
As the commercial says: Capital One, what's in your wallet?
Answer: Dinero para las chicas y un condon.[/QUOTE]The ATM next to Yogen Fruz is BBVA. Your Cap1 card should work fine there. I don't think that the one in the Hilton will work.
I agree FLA fun, I have a card on the cirrus network it is 10X better than PLUS in latin america.
Also, the plus card CAN NOT be used at citibank or Bancolombia, otherwise availability would be a non issue.
Just go to this link and look for banks that say plus (not just visa..) next to them:
[url]http://visa.via.infonow.net/locator/global/[/url]
If you have a debit card such as the guy with the Wachovia account, it is also on the visa network which is much more extensive than plus, which is why it works at many other institutions.
The problem with the capone account is that it is a savings account, not a debit card, and will not work on the visa network or for point of sale transactions. It will only work at plus atm's which are mainly more obscure tier 2 banks (and rare outside of major colombian cities).
Your best bet is a low fee cirrus atm card or visa/mc debit card. Also though, keep in mind with debit cards, if they are stolen you could have a much bigger problem as they do not require a pin for non cash transactions.
[QUOTE=Fla Fun]Cirrus is a worldwide interbank network. It links MasterCard, Maestro, Diners Club credit, debit and prepaid cards to a network of over 1,000,000 ATMs in 93 countries.
Maestro cards are, by default, linked to the Cirrus network, but very often, all three logotypes of the MasterCard family will be shown: MasterCard, Maestro and Cirrus.
In South America look for: Banelco - Banred - Conexus - GlobalNet - Link - Redbanc - Suiche 7B - Telebanco - Unicard[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gonzo]No fees, that's why I'm bringing both a cap one credit card and money market credit card. I wonder if the two ATMs that I know of Laguito, CTG, the one near the Playa Mar hotel and the one in the Hilton, are on these networks.
As the commercial says: Capital One, what's in your wallet?
Answer: Dinero para las chicas y un condon.[/QUOTE]I found a Servibanca ATM located inside the front door of La Perla Casino in Laguito. Unfortunately, you need to be there when they are open or get lucky when the cleaning crew is there. I was able to get 300,000 per transaction. I was able to do three transactions in one day.
Does anyone remeber Col Bog? He was a regullar poster on this forum in Colombia, and he seems to have just dissapered! I hope hes ok. Col Bog if your out there, just pop in and say hello
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[QUOTE=Johnath12]Does anyone remeber Col Bog? He was a regullar poster on this forum in Colombia, and he seems to have just dissapered! I hope hes ok. Col Bog if your out there, just pop in and say hello[/QUOTE]Yeah. This guy had some great posts. No ego whatsoever. Just great sex reports with stories, photos and videos. Hopefully he is OK.
How about this then?
The rumour is that the Col-bog is saving his nickels for his new kid.
[QUOTE=Johnath12]Does anyone remeber Col Bog? He was a regullar poster on this forum in Colombia, and he seems to have just dissapered! I hope hes ok. Col Bog if your out there, just pop in and say hello[/QUOTE]Remember the Col posted not too long ago that he was leaving Colombia.
Off to other lands :)
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[QUOTE=Hlover]finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?amt=1&from=USD&to=COP&submit=Convert[/QUOTE]Guy quoted on Bloomberg last week saying it will be 2010 by year end.
Methinks Bogota is the place for that. Been to both Cartagena and Medellin and both are skimpy on such services, mainly because they're not really needed that much. Probably Cali the same. Many alternatives such as casas, independents, etc.
[QUOTE=Drakar]Hi
I am primarily an escort monger. I much prefer calling up someone and having the girl come to my hotel room like room service. Since I am new to the Columbia scene an I am trying to learn more, can someone tell me which city in Columbia has the most escort services? Are there any websites that have accurate pictures that you can recommend?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]Guy quoted on Bloomberg last week saying it will be 2010 by year end.[/QUOTE]I read Bloomberg every day and I didnt see that thread, I will look for it again. I never ever trust those estimate cronies anyway. They have consistently steered me wrong anyways.. lol
Columbia escorts.
1) Are there escorts at Columbia in NY? Kinda of in a rough area near harlem yikes.
2) Or are you thinking about BC?
It is spelled C-O-L-O-M-B-I-A
[QUOTE=Drakar]Hi
I am primarily an escort monger. I much prefer calling up someone and having the girl come to my hotel room like room service. Since I am new to the Columbia scene an I am trying to learn more, can someone tell me which city in Columbia has the most escort services? Are there any websites that have accurate pictures that you can recommend?[/QUOTE]Just check the classifieds section of the local newspaper. There will be ads for individual escorts and ads for escort services. Some of the escort services will have web sites, some will not. Generally, the web sites are useless anyway due to phony photos of the escorts. Please, do not agree to "Gringo" pricing.
In some cities, there are print magazines that have ads for escorts. For example, I think the "Contactos" magazine in Medellin has ads for escorts. Here is the link- [url]http://contactosteune.com/[/url] - and click where it says "Revista No. 34" on the left side of the home page.
In some cities, there are internet guides to local nightlife with ads for escorts. For example, the "Plan B" site in Bogota has ads for escorts. Here is the link - [url]http://www.planb.com.co/home.aspx[/url] - and click where it says "Adultos" at the top of the home page.
In some cities, one or more of the taxi drivers outside upscale hotels will have "tarjetas" for escort services. This is common in Cali, for example.
The absolute best way to meet escorts in Colombia, however, is to to get them through networking. It is incredibly common for young Colombian women in certain areas of employment (actresses, beauty, cosmetics, design, entertainment, fashion, hair salons, media, modeling, news reporters, etc.) to be available as escorts. Try to meet the women and gay men that supply models as "presentadoras" and "promotoras" to local companies. Alternatively, just speak directly to such women - they are everywhere you go in Colombia. Many (probably most) of them want to meet you as much as you want to meet them. This is a good strategy for Barranquilla, in particular.
It is common knowledge that some of the most famous young women in Colombia are available as escorts. The more famous they are, the more expensive they are. Just because they are famous, however, does not mean they are more attractive than some of the "promotoras" you will see everywhere you go in Colombia.
Also, most of the young single Colombian women without children on the dating sites are "prepagos" but many of them will hide that fact. This can have advantages and disadvantages.
Presently, the vast majority of the young single Colombian women without children in the marriage agencies are also "prepagos" but such agencies are no longer cost-effective.
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[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]I read Bloomberg every day and I didnt see that thread, I will look for it again. I never ever trust those estimate cronies anyway. They have consistently steered me wrong anyways.. lol[/QUOTE][url]http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ammpDqa73cq4[/url]
[QUOTE]Latin America Currencies: Colombia Peso Gains on New Debt Sales
By Drew Benson
Aug. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Colombia's peso climbed the most in three weeks after the central bank said it will auction interest- bearing deposits to absorb cash from bonds maturing tomorrow.
The peso rose 1.2 percent to 1,862 per dollar at 1:55 p.m. in New York, from 1,885.45 yesterday, according to the Colombian foreign-exchange electronic transactions system, known as SET-FX.
Banco de la Republica said last night it will auction deposits with maturities ranging from seven days to 90 days starting tomorrow. About 5.6 trillion pesos of bonds mature, the Finance Ministry said in a statement. The peso led a rally today among most Latin American currencies against the dollar.
The debt maturity ``will generate a lot of liquidity in the market, and the government is trying to sterilize this in line with its program to control inflation,'' said Edgar Jimenez, an analyst with Stanford Financial Group's unit in Bogota.
Jimenez expects the peso rally to be short-lived.
He predicts it will weaken to 2,010 by year-end, driven down by central bank dollar purchases and a drop in commodity prices.
The yield on Colombia's benchmark 11 percent bonds due in July 2020 fell 9 basis points, or 0.09 percentage point, to 11.59 percent, according to Colombia's stock exchange. The price rose 0.518 centavo to 96.274 centavos per peso.[/QUOTE]Mind you, this is one of the guys who's fucked over the world economy, so I wouldn't be inclined to believe him if he told me I had two legs without counting 'em.
[b]Looking For Eden, UrbanWildlife, Tiny 12:[/b]
Thank you my fellow monger gentlemen. Your input is appreciated. :)
[QUOTE=Looking For Eden]I would say Cartagena but I have not been to all the cities you mentioned. Cartagena is the safest from what I hear and experienced and also gets the most tourists from around Colombia too. Also, I speak just a little spanish and got by fine there.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]After thinking it over you should really go to Medellin! :)You will probably find other gringos in the same situation as you, and it is a very good possibility you will find a wing man there. It is my opinion that Medellin is the best place for a gringo to visit. :) I would never recommend you come to Cali because of the safety and language factor, and if you like nightlife, Cartagena really does not have much to offer. It is a big city, but very small at the same time.
Have fun and be safe, and ENJOY Medellin! :)[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Tiny 12]If cost and comfortable weather are your biggest priorities I'd pick Medellin, otherwise Cartagena. Bogota would be my #3 choice, and Barranquilla a distant #4. I've never been to Cali or Bucaramanga, but from what I've read they wouldn't be good choices for someone with intermediate language ability who's concerned about crime.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Bobisee]Bogota, Cali, Medellin, Cartagena, Barranquilla, Bucaramanga, or ?
If a guy with only an intermediate spanish ability was to go to Columbia for only a 1 or 2 week mongering experience, which destination city should he choose ?
I'm guessing that some of the criteria to consider would be climate, crime, hotel/hostal prices, chica prices, chica friendliness or attitude, flight accessability, etc
I'd appreciate any opinions/info from some of you more seasoned Columbia mongerers to help me decide a trip there.[/QUOTE]
I was wonderingif anyone could share any experiences with getting tourist visa from ny embassy. How long does it take to get visa? etc.
You do not need one.
[QUOTE=Sam Fun]I was wonderingif anyone could share any experiences with getting tourist visa from ny embassy. How long does it take to get visa? etc.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=World Travel 69]You do not need one.[/QUOTE]Well, that depends.
What country's passport are you travelling on, and how long do you intend to spend in Colombia?
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]Well, that depends.
What country's passport are you travelling on, and how long do you intend to spend in Colombia?[/QUOTE]If he is going to the New York embassy, my guess is that he has a US passport. It does not matter how long you intend to stay. If you arrive without a VISA, you can stay no longer than 180 days in any calendar year.
You are correct in that citizens of some countries, Ireland for example, do not qualify for a tourist VISA to Colombia.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]If he is going to the New York embassy, my guess is that he has a US passport. It does not matter how long you intend to stay. If you arrive without a VISA, you can stay no longer than 180 days in any calendar year.
You are correct in that citizens of some countries, Ireland for example, do not qualify for a tourist VISA to Colombia.[/QUOTE]Actually I am from a country that requires visa for me to travel to colombia. I have a US green card though. anyways I am sure I need a tourist visa. given that does anyone have experience with "getting a tourist visa" experience at the NY embassy.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Tom 33]If he is going to the New York embassy, my guess is that he has a US passport. It does not matter how long you intend to stay. If you arrive without a VISA, you can stay no longer than 180 days in any calendar year.
You are correct in that citizens of some countries, Ireland for example, do not qualify for a tourist VISA to Colombia.[/QUOTE]Or is legally in the US.
Iirc the maximum is 90 days/calendar year, so back to back you could get up to 180 days. But its a real pita going to das every 30 days, hence the question. If you intend to go for more than 90 days, get a visa.
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]Or is legally in the US.
Iirc the maximum is 90 days/calendar year, so back to back you could get up to 180 days. But its a real pita going to das every 30 days, hence the question. If you intend to go for more than 90 days, get a visa.[/QUOTE]No, the maximum is 180 days per calendar year. At least one friend of mine has used nearly the full 180 every year for 3 or 4 years. Thus you can get 360 if you work your time right. You can get a max of 90 days upon entry. However, they generally give 30 or 60 days. You can get the initial time extended in 30-day increments at your local DAS office.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]No, the maximum is 180 days per calendar year. At least one friend of mine has used nearly the full 180 every year for 3 or 4 years. Thus you can get 360 if you work your time right. You can get a max of 90 days upon entry. However, they generally give 30 or 60 days. You can get the initial time extended in 30-day increments at your local DAS office.[/QUOTE]Thanks Tom.
You got a link to that information anywhere?
[url]http://www.cancilleria.gov.co/wps/portal[/url]
4 dead 24+ wounded and counting! Keep your guard up! Be observant!
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/americasCrisis/idUSN01262929[/url]
[url]www.elpais.com.co[/url]
The prognosticators suggested that FARC activity will increase as they get more fragmented and desperate for funding.
This means for kidnappings.
This shit is a tempest in a teapot. People here in Bogota aren't worried at ALL about bombs going off. They are worried about some motherfucker pickpocketing them on the Transmilenio or getting in a traffic accident. You may as well worry about getting struck by lightning.
You can read this good newspaper (spanish):
[url]http://www.elcolombiano.com/[/url]
Also, check out these beautiful colombian girls, from all the regions of Colombia.
You just pick your liking, and then head in that direction on your next travel :)
[url]http://www.elcolombiano.com/proyectos/ReportajesGraficos/html/2007/reinas.htm[/url]
Happy hunting,
Ken Apples
[QUOTE=Chronoshift]I'll be leaving for Colombia this afternoon (departing from Panama) it will be my first time there and I'd appreciate any help anyone would be willing to offer or if there are other people going for the first time maybe we can meet up too.[/quote]CS,
Perhaps we could offer more assisstance if we knew what city you were visiting and what exactly you are looking for. Where are you staying? Habla Espanol?
Rainman3
Mates.
I'm looking to settle after many years of mongering, Im 42 Australian in good shape and reasonable looking, after registering on one of the many dating sites im getting replies from chicas that are gorgeous and all ages, am I being realistic in thinking that i can go there and bring home a great looking chick say between 20 and 35 and that she would be faithful?
Rude
[QUOTE=RodneyRude]Mates.
I'm looking to settle after many years of mongering, Im 42 Australian in good shape and reasonable looking, after registering on one of the many dating sites im getting replies from chicas that are gorgeous and all ages, am I being realistic in thinking that i can go there and bring home a great looking chick say between 20 and 35 and that she would be faithful?
Rude[/QUOTE]RR,
All things are possible. I brought home a Paisa from Medellin this year. I took my time getting to know her for a year. Traveled back and forth in order to spend time with her family. Nice girl but I could sense differences upon her arrival hear. FYI, we had a 10 year age gap and she was no Pablado princessa , a nice El Centro working Paisa. Also I met her initially through Colombian Sweethearts. I returned her to Medellin after 2 months in the USA. It was very difficult, but the bottom line I was not ready for marriage after all.
RR, you might be ready whereas I was not. But here are some considerations for you ;
1. Do you speak Spanish well enough to truly get to know a Colombian woman ? Most do not speak English and the ones that do might be the types you should avoid.
2. Do you have the time and financial resources to devote to truly getting to know her before you bring her to Australia ?
3. Avoid the marriage agencies ! BE THE HUNTER AND NOT THE HUNTED. Try to find a Colombiana who is not actively searching for a forign husband. This will give you a better chance of finding someone who truly likes you.
4. you might want to even tell the ladies that you are seriously considering living in Colombia. This will help you to avoid those who are only looking for a way out.
5. Regarding bringing home a 20yo, I would not recommend this unless you are wanting to adopt. You really probably need to stay no more than 10-12 years of your own age.
I do believe that most Colombians are great people and that it is possible to find a good wife there. However I have decided to shoot for retirement in Colombia when I can. Then and only then will I might be ready to consider another marriage.
Buena suerte mate,
Rainman3
[QUOTE=RodneyRude]Mates.
I'm looking to settle after many years of mongering, I'm 42 Australian in good shape and reasonable looking.
After registering on one of the many dating sites, I'm getting replies from chicas that are gorgeous and all ages.
Am I being realistic in thinking that I can go there and bring home a great looking chick say between 20 and 35 and that she would be faithful?
Rude[/QUOTE]If you want to marry a Colombiana and have a happy life, plan to live with her in Colombia.
Yes you can bring them home but faithful?
You keep her on (poor choice of words but not meant literally) a short leash, keep her satisfied and as GOD to interdict; for this you might have luck. This is how I have seen the loving Colombian husband treat their wives.
No domestic violence or bitter words. Freedom to a point but close to home. "Ganas" are more inmportant then fedility to many.
Do not let this sway you; if my marriage worked out (it would have if I had been given this advise) I would have been happier then the proverbial pig in shit.
Mike
[QUOTE=RodneyRude]Mates.
I'm looking to settle after many years of mongering, Im 42 Australian in good shape and reasonable looking, after registering on one of the many dating sites im getting replies from chicas that are gorgeous and all ages, am I being realistic in thinking that i can go there and bring home a great looking chick say between 20 and 35 and that she would be faithful?
Rude[/QUOTE]
Hi All,
I used to post regularly on ISG in other sections but now I am interested in Colombia. Although I like to dabble with the P4P, I also like to pursue non-pros. Thus, I'd like to do some of the legwork through the internet and was wondering what dating sites you have found to be helpful.
I have already signed up for Amigos.com and Cybercupido but have found them to have a limited selection of quality (hot) chicas. I'd appreciate if you could list your favorite Colombian Dating websites.
Thanks!
I second what Tom33 said.
If you're interested in a serious relationship, I would also recommend Routard's post #1559 on the second page of the Bogota section, 'El riesgo es que te quieras quedar'.
Language is everything.
KT
[QUOTE=RodneyRude]Mates.
I'm looking to settle after many years of mongering, Im 42 Australian in good shape and reasonable looking, after registering on one of the many dating sites im getting replies from chicas that are gorgeous and all ages, am I being realistic in thinking that i can go there and bring home a great looking chick say between 20 and 35 and that she would be faithful?
Rude[/QUOTE]Think about how you might feel being asked to spend the rest of your life in a foreign country away from your friends, family, and culture. That's the hurdle you'll have to overcome, and its not an easy one. It can be done, but unless you have the patience of Job you'll likely in for a tough ride.
Without meaning to offend, it sounds to me that your listed priorities (appearance, age, fidelity) are not those that would suggest sucess.
For the info guys. I've mongered worldwide and have narrowed it down to two countries when it comes to finding someone to settle down with. Indonesia and Colombia. Was in Peru and Colombia about 6 years back for couple of weeks but didn't find it so great. Where as Indonesia. Wow. Chicks genuinuely fall inl ove with you there in no time.
But the Colombian girls rate tops on the looks list for me so if I can find a pearl in the ocean of women there. Perfect!
Rude
I would take your time, in searching for a wife. I wouldn't allow your eyes, and dick to do most of your thinking either, again your putting your life and fincial being into play. If you don't speak spanish LEARN! There are sweet girls out there to be sure, but some ruthless sharks too. If you can speak the local tongue you will be more in tune to pick out the bad apples.
Good luck
I am new to the Colombia board, but a DR, BA and Mexico regular. Two friends and myself are planning our 1st trip to Colombia. We are considering flying into CTG, but renting a car and driving to MDE. We want to hit both cities. How safe is it to travel on 90 and 25 through the campo? I speak semi-fluent Spanish. A Colombiana friends of ours in the U. S. Insists that Antioquia and Bolivar are FARC and ELN free and "relatively" safe to travel. I just want to get the opinion of the regulars and ex-pats.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Blackknight]I am new to the Colombia board, but a DR, BA and Mexico regular. Two friends and myself are planning our 1st trip to Colombia. We are considering flying into CTG, but renting a car and driving to MDE. We want to hit both cities. How safe is it to travel on 90 and 25 through the campo? I speak semi-fluent Spanish. A Colombiana friends of ours in the U. S. Insists that Antioquia and Bolivar are FARC and ELN free and "relatively" safe to travel. I just want to get the opinion of the regulars and ex-pats.
Thanks[/QUOTE]From [url]http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travelling-and-living-overseas/travel-advice-by-country/south-america/colombia[/url]
We advise against all but essential travel to. North-western Antioquia. Southern Bolívar.
[QUOTE=Blackknight]I am new to the Colombia board, but a DR, BA and Mexico regular. Two friends and myself are planning our 1st trip to Colombia. We are considering flying into CTG, but renting a car and driving to MDE. We want to hit both cities. How safe is it to travel on 90 and 25 through the campo? I speak semi-fluent Spanish. A Colombiana friends of ours in the U. S. Insists that Antioquia and Bolivar are FARC and ELN free and "relatively" safe to travel. I just want to get the opinion of the regulars and ex-pats.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Do not rent a car and drive. That is a 12-hour drive if the roads are open. There is no place in Colombia that is free of guerrillas and paras. New to Colombia? Fly.
I use [url]http://www.aires.aero/Website/[/url] between MDE and CTG. You will land at the MDE airport in the city rather than the International airport in the mountains.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Do not rent a car and drive. That is a 12-hour drive if the roads are open. There is no place in Colombia that is free of guerrillas and paras. New to Colombia? Fly.
I use [url]http://www.aires.aero/Website/[/url] between MDE and CTG. You will land at the MDE airport in the city rather than the International airport in the mountains.[/QUOTE]I need the address for a housa or casa named oto, s it is near zone rosa. I am know someone here will have the adress and any imformation about the housa would great thanks as always.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Do not rent a car and drive. That is a 12-hour drive if the roads are open. There is no place in Colombia that is free of guerrillas and paras. New to Colombia? Fly.
I use [url]http://www.aires.aero/Website/[/url] between MDE and CTG. You will land at the MDE airport in the city rather than the International airport in the mountains.[/QUOTE]Thanks. We will definitely kill the drive to MDE idea.
Guy's,
I'm dying for real Italian food in Medellin. I have tried a couple: Tramezzini, Crispino, Romma and even Al Rojo, based on advice by locals. But I think, that they don't know the real thing (as little as they know real Chinese food). The sugo in those restaurants is too sweet, I don't taste oregano, no balsamico is used or the carpaccio is drenched in some undefined sauce.
To avoid another dissapointment, I bid you guys who know what I mean, please inform me.
[QUOTE=Menteng]Guy's,
I'm dying for real Italian food. I have tried a couple: Tramezzini, Crispino, Romma and even Al Rojo, based on advice by locals. But I think, that they don't know the real thing (as little as they know real Chinese food). The sugo in those restaurants is too sweet, I don't taste oregano, no balsamico is used or the carpaccio is drenched in some undefined sauce.
To avoid another dissapointment, I bid you guys who know what I mean, please inform me.[/QUOTE]Crispino's is owned by an Italian from Naples who has been at the restaurant every time I have been there. That is as real as you are going to get, anywhere.
I looked on [url]www.gringos.com[/url]. some restaurants that were recommended were:
La Pastizzeria in Laureles on Ave Nutibara, 'Good solid food that didn't cost an arm and a leg'.
Mondongos Cra 70 #C3-43 Tel 4113434
And highly recommended was Fatto in Casa, Podesta, Calle 9 Sur #29 D76 tel 2686168. The owner came to Medellin as a violinist when he was 25, 51 years ago.
Let us know how these work out.
KT
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Crispino's is owned by an Italian from Naples who has been at the restaurant every time I have been there. That is as real as you are going to get, anywhere.[/QUOTE]He was at the entrance, welcoming the guests. Anyway, never order the carpaccio over there. The slices were drenched in vinegar, so it was like eating sour slices of meat, topped with mushrooms and cheese. A few drops of balsamico instead of the pool of vinegar would do wonders.
[QUOTE=Khun Talung]I looked on [url]www.gringos.com[/url]. some restaurants that were recommended were:
La Pastizzeria in Laureles on Ave Nutibara, 'Good solid food that didn't cost an arm and a leg'.
Mondongos Cra 70 #C3-43 Tel 4113434
And highly recommended was Fatto in Casa, Podesta, Calle 9 Sur #29 D76 tel 2686168. The owner came to Medellin as a violinist when he was 25, 51 years ago.
Let us know how these work out.
KT[/QUOTE]Thanks for the recommendations. I think I will try Fatto. Mondongos sounds too local and pastizzeria sounds too pasta; I wonder if both know about "osso buco" or "abbacchio" or veal with marsala sauce.
Menteng,
I went back and tried to find the post about Fatto in Casa, couldn't locate it. They said they had fish, maybe sea bass, it was heavenly. I forgot what the other dish was, but they were pleased with both.
A post about La Pastizzeria said it was 'wonderful food'.
One poster said Mondongos 'the food was solid, not expensive, she will think you're a local'. Another poster said 'Try the Mondongo, put the rice, avocado and cilantro in first, maybe a little aji. Quite tasty'. (What is a Mondongo?) Another poster said ' for me it was a big yawn, but it was packed, so maybe I'm the exception'.
Hope you find what you're looking for.
KT
[QUOTE=Khun Talung]Menteng,
I went back and tried to find the post about Fatto in Casa, couldn't locate it. They said they had fish, maybe sea bass, it was heavenly. I forgot what the other dish was, but they were pleased with both.
A post about La Pastizzeria said it was 'wonderful food'.
One poster said Mondongos 'the food was solid, not expensive, she will think you're a local'. Another poster said 'Try the Mondongo, put the rice, avocado and cilantro in first, maybe a little aji. Quite tasty'. (What is a Mondongo?) Another poster said ' for me it was a big yawn, but it was packed, so maybe I'm the exception'.
Hope you find what you're looking for.
KT[/QUOTE]Thanks again. Just in case you still don't know, mondongo are the intestines of a cow.
BTW, your nick, is that phonetic for those Chinese words?
La Pastizzeria is Italian fusion. Probably not what Menteng is searching for.
Mondongos serves Colombian specialties. They only have about five things on the menu. Mondongo (soup with tripe), grilled chicken, steak, bandeja paisa. That's it. This place has great service, good food, and is a venerable local institution. Very popular.
Fatto in Casa is IMO the best prospect to try.
You could check out Opera Pizza, where an Italian guy does pizzas, calzones and bruschette out of a pizza oven. Although if you didn't like Crispino, Opera Pizza is a step below in sophistication and not gonna do it for you, either.
[QUOTE=Khun Talung]Menteng,
I went back and tried to find the post about Fatto in Casa, couldn't locate it. They said they had fish, maybe sea bass, it was heavenly. I forgot what the other dish was, but they were pleased with both.
A post about La Pastizzeria said it was 'wonderful food'.
One poster said Mondongos 'the food was solid, not expensive, she will think you're a local'. Another poster said 'Try the Mondongo, put the rice, avocado and cilantro in first, maybe a little aji. Quite tasty'. (What is a Mondongo?) Another poster said ' for me it was a big yawn, but it was packed, so maybe I'm the exception'.
Hope you find what you're looking for.
KT[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Khun Talung]....'Try the Mondongo, put the rice, avocado and cilantro in first, maybe a little aji. Quite tasty'. (What is a Mondongo?)[/QUOTE]Mondongo is tripe soup. A Colombian fave.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopa_de_mondongo[/url]
Tripe: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripe[/url]
Ok, I had tripe when I was in Bogota '76-'80. They called it something else, I can't remember. My Novia had decided she wanted to identify with the proletariat, so we went to a working class restaurant. I asked what some green flecks were, she said 'don't worry, it's only grass'. Call me picky.
Ah, you have to love the experience.
I've been living in Pattaya, Thailand for 13 years. In Thai, 'Khun' is 'Mister'.
When you make an indecent proposal to a girl, like, 'Let's go somewhere and get naked', they get indignant and say, 'Talung! '.
So, I'm 'Mr Rude', or something like that, although 'rude' is 'mai su pop'. Anyway, when I introduce myself, they know what kind of guy I am. I'll have to change my name when I move to Colombia, like, Senor Mine' (minay).
KT
I remembered, it was Menudo, with the green garnish.
KT
Greetings folks,
Before leaving for Colombia a couple weeks ago, I found my cialis supply level at critical. So while Colombia has a generic Viagra, It does not have a generic Cialis and I didnt want to spend 90k on a 4 pack at Exito or LA 14. So after doing some research I got a great recommendation from master monger called ASIAN RAIN on this company called [url]www.edselection.com[/url] . The company is from India and sells you generic Cialis. I paid about $100 for 30pills and 4 free generic viagras to try (im not a fan of viagra). That included $10 unregistered mail shipping fee. After about 2 weeks a hand written orange envelope arrives from India. I open it up to see some basic instructions, details about the company and 30 orange, push pill professionally wrapped TADALAFIL tabs 20mg. I was psyched. Well upon arrival in Colombia my first night I pop one out and give it a whirl.. Gents may I tell you, JUST AS GOOD as the original and lasts a GOOD 36hrs as well easily. ALMOST like they were industrial strength lol. I felt like my 18yr old self again lol. The ONLY drawback is that they are NOT thin shell coated so make sure you have some water or coke nearby to swallow down more easy.
Bottom Line: Big thumbs up and thank you Asian Rain!
I've done jakarta many times and love it, the girls look good and there the sincerest I've come across in 20 countries, this is mainly for Menteng to answer but anyone else who has done both please feel free to advise, could you tell me how they compare and if I was to look for a gorgeous young and sincere wife wich of the two would you recommend? I've been getting replies from some absolutely stunning chicks from a Colombian website but its kida like there to good to be true? I'm 41 Australian and in good shape but want to bail out of the mongering seen while I'm still in good enough shape to find something nice.
Rude
Dude,
I wouldn't suggest Colombia, this is a HARSH enviorment; asian women are more submisive and alot more easy to handle, a colombian will screw your brains out, be much more sexy and then along with her local lover steal everything you own. Your chances of finding a colombian whom will honestly like you and not give you a hard time or run for your money is difficult. Unless you speak spanish and know the land I wouldn't suggest it.
The fact that your looking on those websties means your F***ed, Majority of those girls are not serious, I have met many girls here whom use the sites to after 4 weeks of chatting hit you up for money, if you don't give up they stop talking to you.
If you continue on your search in Colombia, with in the coming weeks you find these girls asking you for money, the reason will be many, and this will be your first warning sign. If by blindness and stupidity you choose to ignore this warning, she will continue to ask for more money, then stop talking to you, you will move on to the next girl on your hotlist or the next and then the next, one whom you have been chating for the past week also, she again will ask you for money or you may now start thinking that a trip to Colombia to vist your prospects are in order, you let the girls know that your arrival is near and make plans for your multiple city vists. These girls arnt stupid and realize that when your here the shoping trips begin. When you arrive youll be meet some some very pretty women all whom seem intrested in meeting you despite the fact that you don't speak spanish and they don't speak english, regardless they are overjoyed to meet you and begin to spend your money. Youll go to to dinners, see the sites, even go dancing, hit the beach meet the family, some girls may be bold enough to ask you for money at this stage.
At this point you weed out those girls whom are all about the money becuase after hitting the "***** houses" in your free time, your not as stupid (horney) as you were in the internet chatting days. But the real danger lies in the girls that don't ask for money, treat you like a king and even let you sleep with them, if she is hot enough and your type, you are now offically scrwed. Your 2-4 week trip is now over and you had more sex in those weeks then in most of your life. When you return home you can think of nothing eles but that chica, who is prefect for you, despite the fact that you barely know her name, and your conversations were limited to where your going to eat tonight. After a few more weeks of chating and some 2 minute phone calls, she will hit you up for money, becuase the family is in need, but if she is smart it won't be for too much. If she is really smart she won't ask for anything but wait for you to send some (which you will). Months go by and you make plans for your next vist to Colombia, maybe to pop the question and make plans for your purchase; I mean "wedding".
Its been a long road, lots of chicas, photos, meetings, dates, money wires, e-mails, phone calls you have meet some gold diggers and weeded them out maybe even some crazys. But you found the perfect one, she is hot, sweet, great in bed, and intrested in you, she even started english classes, that your paying for. You marry her arrange for the visa, maybe even knock her up, the problems that arise could be many, I couldn't even count all the troubles that could come from this, regardless please know your putting your life and fincial well being into play by trusting and marrying a women in the thrid world, you could be one of the lucky ones, one of the smart ones, whom can escape all the congames and find true happiness, but even at best, Even at best you will still be married! Whats wrong with you!
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Greetings folks,
Before leaving for Colombia a couple weeks ago, I found my cialis supply level at critical. So while Colombia has a generic Viagra, It does not have a generic Cialis and I didnt want to spend 90k on a 4 pack at Exito or LA 14. So after doing some research I got a great recommendation from master monger called ASIAN RAIN on this company called [url]www.edselection.com[/url] . The company is from India and sells you generic Cialis. I paid about $100 for 30pills and 4 free generic viagras to try (im not a fan of viagra). That included $10 unregistered mail shipping fee. After about 2 weeks a hand written orange envelope arrives from India. I open it up to see some basic instructions, details about the company and 30 orange, push pill professionally wrapped TADALAFIL tabs 20mg. I was psyched. Well upon arrival in Colombia my first night I pop one out and give it a whirl.. Gents may I tell you, JUST AS GOOD as the original and lasts a GOOD 36hrs as well easily. ALMOST like they were industrial strength lol. I felt like my 18yr old self again lol. The ONLY drawback is that they are NOT thin shell coated so make sure you have some water or coke nearby to swallow down more easy.
Bottom Line: Big thumbs up and thank you Asian Rain![/QUOTE]Haven't I read recently about quality problems with drugs out of India?
Dunno if they apply to this company but caveat emptor maybe?
[QUOTE=Sailor2006]Dude,
I wouldn't suggest Colombia, this is a HARSH enviorment; asian women are more submisive and alot more easy to handle, a colombian will screw your brains out, be much more sexy and then along with her local lover steal everything you own. Your chances of finding a colombian whom will honestly like you and not give you a hard time or run for your money is difficult. Unless you speak spanish and know the land I wouldn't suggest it.
The fact that your looking on those websties means your F***ed, Majority of those girls are not serious, I have met many girls here whom use the sites to after 4 weeks of chatting hit you up for money, if you don't give up they stop talking to you[/QUOTE]Heya Sailor. Love that post!
I remember when I was new to the Colombia scene. Met this chica on Cupidos, beautiful, from Barranquilla.
Anyway, after the MSN chatting, phone calls, etc, I made my trip to Colombia to meet her.
She met me at the mall, with her mother. She was indeed the same chica, beautiful, sexy, etc. I was happy.
The fun started shortly after lunch. We went to the Exito store at the mall, or actually it was another department store at the time, but that doesn't matter, it was a big store.
It was her mother's idea to go there.
Me and the sexy Costena were walking together, hand in hand, I was happy. Her mother had a shopping cart, she was looking an stuff and filling up the cart. She had radios, a microwave oven, clothing, food, all kinds of stuff. I thought nothing of it. Like a trip to Walmart on payday.
Well we get to the checkout counter, the cashier chica asks for about a million and a half pesos and the mother says. Ricker paga por favor.
I was stunned, and said that I didn't have the cash on me, and she suggested putting on my Visa.
I re-grouped and told her I would have to go the cash machine for the cash. The mother was thrilled.
I left for the cash machine. And guess what? I never came back. They called my cel phone a zillion times and I just moved on.
Yes, they are sharks in Colombia. Beware.
Hi Rodney,
I think I can offer some feedback considering I lived in Jakarta for 2 years and have been a frequent visitor to Colombia for over 7 years. In my opinion, both Indonesians and Colombianas, in general, make excellent wifes/novias. As Sailor mentioned, it is important to speak the language in either country or you will be limiting yourself to cewe and chicas who probably have a lot of exposure to bule/gringos. These are the girls you want to avoid because a lot of them are insincere and there's a greater chance that they will try to play you. Both Bahasa Indonesian and Spanish are relatively easy to learn, so be sure to make that effort.
Although I had a lot of fun with both the pros and nonpros from all over Indonesia, I will always prefer Latinas (and in particular Colombianas and Venezolanas) just because I prefer the culture. However, there are a lot more opportunities to meet cewes just because there are way more of them. It's like shooting ducks in a barrel in Jakarta.
One thing to think about if you decide to marry a Muslim Indonesian is that you will have to convert to Islam in order to legally marry her. I've had friends who did this and it isn't a big deal. They did it "with a wink" and aren't religious anyway. However, some people aren't willing to change religions for anyone and you also have to think about how you want to raise future kids (if you're planning on having kids, that is). Colombians are predominantly Roman Catholics.
So I guess what I'm saying is that both countries are excellent choices for wife hunting (or mongering for that matter). It all depends on your individual preferences. Feel free to PM me if you have any specific questions.
[QUOTE=RodneyRude]I've done jakarta many times and love it, the girls look good and there the sincerest I've come across in 20 countries, this is mainly for Menteng to answer but anyone else who has done both please feel free to advise, could you tell me how they compare and if I was to look for a gorgeous young and sincere wife wich of the two would you recommend? I've been getting replies from some absolutely stunning chicks from a Colombian website but its kida like there to good to be true? I'm 41 Australian and in good shape but want to bail out of the mongering seen while I'm still in good enough shape to find something nice.
Rude[/QUOTE]What Sailor2006 says is true. I am not sure what sites you are meeting these Colombian women on, but I have had good experience with Colombia Cupid and Latin American Cupid. I have met hundreds of girls online (unfortuately I have not been able to make a trip to Colombia yet), and only a few have asked for money. I have met at least 45 girls whom I have conversed with on a regular basis and feel are trustworthy and could visit tomorrow. I started out on there just to make a list of women to fool around with on trips to Colombia, but I have actually found some beautiful and educated women.
The good thing about the Cupid sites are if the girl asks for money you can report her and she will be deleted within 1 or 2 days. They do not fool around with scams. Every girl that has asked me for money I have reported and they have been deleted.
All that said, I have yet to travel down there to meet any of these women (early next year is my goal) so they could all be scams. Although I am no expert on Colombian women I do feel I have enough smarts to recognize a scam when I see one.
Good Luck!
Ricker, That was one crazy story!. I have never heard of such a story before, but the pictures playing in my mind is a good laughter
From the latest posts, just want to add that if you meet a chica that makes her own money (I. E lawyer, broker or other highly educated woman) that can be just as bad. She will be bitching about this and that, just like your american counterparts. You didn't travel this far to take that shit again.
The worst kind is the "real" model girls (That actually do fashion-runs for a living) A friend of my did catch one of these, and I closeby watched the humiliation that comes with this kind of relationship. My guess is that you got to behave like a bold, true assh*le if you are going to stay on pair with such a woman.
For me, the girl-next door (with a job and a education) seems to be the best option for a relation (I said relation. Not marriage! )
For pure f*cking. Anything nice will do!
Happy hunting to all / Ken.
[QUOTE=Ricker]Heya Sailor. Love that post!
I remember when I was new to the Colombia scene. Met this chica on Cupidos, beautiful, from Barranquilla.
Anyway, after the MSN chatting, phone calls, etc, I made my trip to Colombia to meet her.
She met me at the mall, with her mother. She was indeed the same chica, beautiful, sexy, etc. I was happy.
The fun started shortly after lunch. We went to the Exito store at the mall, or actually it was another department store at the time, but that doesn't matter, it was a big store.
It was her mother's idea to go there.
Me and the sexy Costena were walking together, hand in hand, I was happy. Her mother had a shopping cart, she was looking an stuff and filling up the cart. She had radios, a microwave oven, clothing, food, all kinds of stuff. I thought nothing of it. Like a trip to Walmart on payday.
Well we get to the checkout counter, the cashier chica asks for about a million and a half pesos and the mother says. Ricker paga por favor.
I was stunned, and said that I didn't have the cash on me, and she suggested putting on my Visa.
I re-grouped and told her I would have to go the cash machine for the cash. The mother was thrilled.
I left for the cash machine. And guess what? I never came back. They called my cel phone a zillion times and I just moved on.
Yes, they are sharks in Colombia. Beware.[/QUOTE]
Ricker good story, and something we all need to beaware of!!! i was trying to be funny to get my point across, hopefully nobody took me for real, and thought i was trying to insult the guy.
another thought sometimes, these gals are often pushed into stupid plays, by family IE " the mommy" if she thinks she can get away with having the wallet pay then "do it". I bet the chica would have rather gone out dancing with you and drank a bottle on the local scene then drag you to exito for family shopping.
Bottom line if you feel your being taken advantage of, run away!!!!
After reading the contributions by others in this thread and in the new thread: Tips for dating Colombianas, I must conclude that in those cases, you can replace the words "Colombian" and "chica" by "Indonesian" and "cewek". How striking!
I do not insist though, that girls/women in both countries are all like that. However, I think that if you meet one through dating sites/internet or P4P activities, chances are that they will be.
In my opinion, the best way to start a relationship is to just let it happen. It will not be easy, because being a foreigner (gringo/bulai) means:money, and the first ones that will be attracted, will be the gold-diggers.
So, brother RR, I really can not give THE answer. I have been married to an Indonesian woman and that lasted 6 months. The separation however had nothing to do with either of the quoted situations, but jealousy. The culture difference might have been too big. Now, after more than twenty years, I'm still married to a Colombian woman. Maybe I met the wrong Indonesian one and met the right Colombian one.
Anyone have a suggestion for a reasonably priced English speaking Bogota city tour operator? Please provide web site information.
Thank you.
I recently returned from two weeks in Colombia and want to pass on this info since I think most travelers don't know about it. If you fly Avianca to Colombia, they offer a Colombia Air Pass for domestic flights that is not available for purchase inside Colombia. There are a few "catches" but if you want to fly around inside the country and plan well it is a very good deal and will save a boat load of money.
Here's how it works: They sell the pass as 3, 4, or 5 flight packages. They call the individual legs or flights cupons. Three cupons will cost US$220 + $16 tax. If you fly to anywhere on the Caribbean coast those cupons cost an additional $60. I flew from Bogota to Pereira, bused it to Armenia, then flew from Armenia to Barranquilla and lastly Barranquilla to Bogota. My air pass cost US$260 + $16 tax.
Here's the catches:
1) I flew to Bogota from Ft Lauderdale. For some reason they couldn't sell me the pass at the ticket counter in FLL airport. I had to go to a hole in the wall strip mall mini-office of Avianca in Plantation to buy it. Fortunately, I knew this ahead of time and arrived in time (before they closed at 12:30pm on Saturday) to buy it. I don't know if the ticket counter in Miami can sell it but I would call to verify for your local. Don't assume it's available without checking. Also, even the Avianca agents I talked to on the phone didn't know a lot about it. It may take 2 or 3 calls to get good info.
2) You must reserve the flights at the time of purchase. You cannot carry the pass to Colombia and decide when and where to fly later. You can change your itinerary but there is a $30 charge.
3) For me this was a biggie. I travel heavy. I take the kitchen sink plus extra plumbing, just in case. There is a 20 kilo total baggage limit for any flight purchased with the air pass. Any amount over 20 kgs gets charged at a prorated rate. I carried approximately 50 kgs in two bags. My memory is a little foggy here but first flight I paid COP70, 000, 2nd flight COP 120, 000, third flight COP60, 000 for extra baggage.
Yeah that part sucked but I had such a great time and saw and did so much that I really didn't care. It was still a bargain.
Schwmm
[QUOTE=Ricker]I remember when I was new to the Colombia scene. Met this chica on Cupidos, beautiful, from Barranquilla.
Me and the sexy Costena were walking together, hand in hand, I was happy. Her mother had a shopping cart, she was looking an stuff and filling up the cart. She had radios, a microwave oven, clothing, food, all kinds of stuff. I thought nothing of it. Like a trip to Walmart on payday.
Yes, they are sharks in Colombia. Beware.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of a chick who I had been talking to online for about two years. She worked at a kiosk at the mall making like 40000 pesos/day or less. I go to Colombia all of the time but I have never been to Cartagena to see her. A couple of months ago I mentioned to her that I would be going to Colombia in a couple of days. Out of nowhere she gives me a list of things to bring. Even if I was fool enough to buy all of this stuff where the f did she think I was going to put it?
cartagena : me traes algo de alla…productos de victoria secrete…y colonias…y cremas
cartagena : y jeugos de video juegos para mi hijo bueno con su consola de jeugos
mrenternational: que consola?
cartagena : bueno me traes otra cosa…ropa interior…y demas cosas…accesorios para mi cuerpo y cabello
mrenternational : no me gusta una mujer con ropa interior!
cartagena : amor consola de juegos…bueno no me des ropa interior entonces otra cosa no se un anillo lindo
mrenternational : jaja. play station cuesta 1000000 pesos
cartagena : bueno entonces video juegos de play 2
cartagena : por ejemplo fifa 2008 no me traigas el play solo traeme los jeugos de play 2 para mi hijo losqeu quieras
cartagena : futboll, power ranger, carros, peleas esos juegos le gustan a los niños son para play 2
cartagena : hola amor dime como me enterare de tu llegada…sabes mi hijo me dijo unos juegos que le gustan asi tu sabras cual comprar mas sin embargo te escribo los nombres
cartagena : PRO EVOLUTION 2008 NARUTO 3 GRAND THEFT AUTO THE TRILOGY PRINCE OF PERSIA THE TWO THONES
cartagena : siempre llegas mañana
mrenternational : a bogota si
cartagena : si, bueno me imagino que a cartagena el fin de semana
mrenternational : no me voy a cartagena. solo bogota
cartagena : BUENO ENTONCES NO VENGAS CIAO YA ME IMAGINO QUE TE VERAS CON TU NOVIA BOGOTANA
I need some of the Colombia experts to chime in on this one. I've been there plenty of times, but I am not as well versed in the culture as some of the other guys on the board, so I'd like to know other peoples' take.
I just got back from Colombia today. While I was on the plane I thought about something. (About to contradict myself with this next statement I don't make it a habit of barebacking, but I have never been with a Colombian non-pro who has asked me to use a condom. Most women around the world insist on protection, but the Colombianas that I know don't even bat an eyelash when my bare meat goes towards them.
Even my 18yo gf who has very traditional/strict parents. I am the second guy that she has ever been with and the first time that we were together we went a little while without protection. Was she not afraid of getting pregnant? Then there is a chick in Barranquilla who I used to fool around with. She had a boyfriend and still. The list goes on. And I'm not talking about dumb ass or ghetto chicks. I'm talking about educated, well off ones. What is the deal with this?
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]I need some of the Colombia experts to chime in on this one. I've been there plenty of times, but I am not as well versed in the culture as some of the other guys on the board, so I'd like to know other peoples' take.
I just got back from Colombia today. While I was on the plane I thought about something. (About to contradict myself with this next statement I don't make it a habit of barebacking, but I have never been with a Colombian non-pro who has asked me to use a condom. Most women around the world insist on protection, but the Colombianas that I know don't even bat an eyelash when my bare meat goes towards them.
Even my 18yo gf who has very traditional/strict parents. I am the second guy that she has ever been with and the first time that we were together we went a little while without protection. Was she not afraid of getting pregnant? Then there is a chick in Barranquilla who I used to fool around with. She had a boyfriend and still. The list goes on. And I'm not talking about dumb ass or ghetto chicks. I'm talking about educated, well off ones. What is the deal with this?[/QUOTE]They don't like rubbers either so they have their own protection. Either pills or a needle once a month. Or worst case they want you to knock them up and hope to hook you.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Reminds me of a chick who I had been talking to online for about two years. She worked at a kiosk at the mall making like 40000 pesos/day or less. I go to Colombia all of the time but I have never been to Cartagena to see her. A couple of months ago I mentioned to her that I would be going to Colombia in a couple of days. Out of nowhere she gives me a list of things to bring. Even if I was fool enough to buy all of this stuff where the f did she think I was going to put it?
cartagena : me traes algo de alla…productos de victoria secrete…y colonias…y cremas
cartagena : y jeugos de video juegos para mi hijo bueno con su consola de jeugos
mrenternational: que consola?
cartagena : bueno me traes otra cosa…ropa interior…y demas cosas…accesorios para mi cuerpo y cabello
mrenternational : no me gusta una mujer con ropa interior!
cartagena : amor consola de juegos…bueno no me des ropa interior entonces otra cosa no se un anillo lindo
mrenternational : jaja. play station cuesta 1000000 pesos
cartagena : bueno entonces video juegos de play 2
cartagena : por ejemplo fifa 2008 no me traigas el play solo traeme los jeugos de play 2 para mi hijo losqeu quieras
cartagena : futboll, power ranger, carros, peleas esos juegos le gustan a los niños son para play 2
cartagena : hola amor dime como me enterare de tu llegada…sabes mi hijo me dijo unos juegos que le gustan asi tu sabras cual comprar mas sin embargo te escribo los nombres
cartagena : PRO EVOLUTION 2008 NARUTO 3 GRAND THEFT AUTO THE TRILOGY PRINCE OF PERSIA THE TWO THONES
cartagena : siempre llegas mañana
mrenternational : a bogota si
cartagena : si, bueno me imagino que a cartagena el fin de semana
mrenternational : no me voy a cartagena. solo bogota
cartagena : BUENO ENTONCES NO VENGAS CIAO YA ME IMAGINO QUE TE VERAS CON TU NOVIA BOGOTANA[/QUOTE]LOL, thats just precious save this one! ha ha ha Shes a real pro, do you see how detailed she gets about what products she wants right down to the exact labels and even 2008 PS2 games? Shes not happy with any old game she want the fifa 2008... Ask her how she knows about Victorias Secret Products when it doesnt exist in Colombia. Ask what other gringo brought her VS products and see how she answers that one.. lol
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]I need some of the Colombia experts to chime in on this one. I've been there plenty of times, but I am not as well versed in the culture as some of the other guys on the board, so I'd like to know other peoples' take.
I just got back from Colombia today. While I was on the plane I thought about something. (About to contradict myself with this next statement I don't make it a habit of barebacking, but I have never been with a Colombian non-pro who has asked me to use a condom. Most women around the world insist on protection, but the Colombianas that I know don't even bat an eyelash when my bare meat goes towards them.
Even my 18yo gf who has very traditional/strict parents. I am the second guy that she has ever been with and the first time that we were together we went a little while without protection. Was she not afraid of getting pregnant? Then there is a chick in Barranquilla who I used to fool around with. She had a boyfriend and still. The list goes on. And I'm not talking about dumb ass or ghetto chicks. I'm talking about educated, well off ones. What is the deal with this?[/QUOTE]You will get mixed reviews with this one. People here always state how the non pro girls are eager to go bareback but on the contrary ALMOST ALL of my non-pros INSIST on condoms. These are educated University girls for the most part and a Manacurist who I met in the mall who I banged after our 3rd date. With my novia, never a condom obviously but she gets a monthly protection shot.
Mongers, Mr. Enternational, etal,
Barebacking non-pros is pretty much the standard everywhere I have been in South America. More often than not, the chicas will mention something about a condom, and I will just carry on as if she never said anything, and 99. 9% of the time the chicas don't really care and crave the bareback sex about as much as I do. If the chica is a little worried about it, I just say I get blood tests every month, I am circumcised (which I explain lessens the chance of me contracting anything), and that I will absolutely not cum inside her which means she will not get pregnant. With non-pros, that little pep talk is almost never necessary. Almost all the Colombia non-pros I have been with (maybe 10) have never even thought about using a condom.
With pros, I also rarely use condoms, and I do usually need to give that little pep talk to "talk them out of" insisting on the condom. Sometimes a combination of offering more money combined with the pep talk will do the trick. Naturally, there are always some pros that will absoutely not fuck me bareback the first time we hook up. When I choose a pro, I usually evaluate what are the chances she will do me bareback when making my decision. The criteria usually consists of an in-depth interview that concentrates on finding out if she has kids and/or a serious boyfriend. If she has kids and a husband or serious boyfriend, the chances she will do me bareback are almost zero. As such, as a rule, I almost never fuck pros that have kids and husbands/serious boyfriends.
This has been my experience in Colombia, Brasil, Paraguay, Bolivia and Argentina (where I live), although in Argentina pros with kids will generally still do me bareback. Although alot of people talk about condoms, the fact of the matter is that there are alot more mongers doing pros and non pros bareback than most people think. I personally know alot of big-time Buenos Aires-based mongers who are almost exclusively bareback mongers.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Reminds me of a chick who I had been talking to online for about two years. She worked at a kiosk at the mall making like 40000 pesos/day or less.[/QUOTE]Working there she would have been lucky to make 15K per day. More likely she made 10.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Reminds me of a chick who I had been talking to online for about two years.
cartagena : me traes algo de alla…productos de victoria secrete…y colonias…y cremas
cartagena : y jeugos de video juegos para mi hijo bueno con su consola de jeugos
[/QUOTE]Yep amigo, typical shark that I AVOID like the plague.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Even my 18yo gf who has very traditional/strict parents. I am the second guy that she has ever been with and the first time that we were together we went a little while without protection. Was she not afraid of getting pregnant? Then there is a chick in Barranquilla who I used to fool around with. She had a boyfriend and still. The list goes on. And I'm not talking about dumb ass or ghetto chicks. I'm talking about educated, well off ones. What is the deal with this?[/QUOTE]Well maybe they just want to get pregnant and knowing that you are a nice and responsible man, they'll secure a one-way ticket to your country.
Out of all the cities in Colombia, which one has the most hottest girls/local/club scene?
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]You will get mixed reviews with this one. People here always state how the non pro girls are eager to go bareback but on the contrary ALMOST ALL of my non-pros INSIST on condoms. These are educated University girls for the most part and a Manacurist who I met in the mall who I banged after our 3rd date. With my novia, never a condom obviously but she gets a monthly protection shot.[/QUOTE]Funny enough I have experiences similar to Mr.Enternational's. The non-pro's I fuck, from antropologist to waitress, never insist on the use of a condom. While most of the WG's do (so I don't fuck them).
[QUOTE=Menteng]Funny enough I have experiences similar to Mr.Enternational's. The non-pro's I fuck, from antropologist to waitress, never insist on the use of a condom. While most of the WG's do (so I don't fuck them).[/QUOTE]I thought maybe I was missing out on something, so I am here chatting with my boy who is a real "playboy" and goes to the University of Medellin, you know the one near that mall MOLINOS. He is my contact I use most of the time to arrange non pro parties and has introduced many many hot University girls. I asked him about the condom issue and he said that and I quote "MOST girls I have been with about 90% ask for condoms and I always carry a condom on me, unless they are drunk or something, but the real good girls always ask for it. Bandidas or easy chicks might not worry about it" So I am good with that. LOL
Bogota probly has more working girls, highend working girls, and more options for discclubs, strip clubs, casas ect. Probly alot more expensive then anyother part of Colombia as well.
[QUOTE=Tjmee]Out of all the cities in Colombia, which one has the most hottest girls/local/club scene?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Schwmmr]I recently returned from two weeks in Colombia and want to pass on this info since I think most travelers don't know about it. If you fly Avianca to Colombia, they offer a Colombia Air Pass for domestic flights that is not available for purchase inside Colombia. There are a few "catches" but if you want to fly around inside the country and plan well it is a very good deal and will save a boat load of money.
Here's how it works: They sell the pass as 3, 4, or 5 flight packages. They call the individual legs or flights cupons. Three cupons will cost US$220 + $16 tax. If you fly to anywhere on the Caribbean coast those cupons cost an additional $60. I flew from Bogota to Pereira, bused it to Armenia, then flew from Armenia to Barranquilla and lastly Barranquilla to Bogota. My air pass cost US$260 + $16 tax.[/QUOTE]I don't know how you finagled that one. I called Avianca's 800 number today and asked about it. They quoted me $220 plus tax and then I gave them cities and dates (Bogota-Cartagena-Medellin-Bogota) and after about 15 minutes she said with taxes it would be $499. I said I'd get back to her.
The price of those 3 same flights on Avianca's website was 975,000 CP, so the airpass doesn't even beat that.
Incidentally, there is no savings on round trip tickets on the website (i.e. it's exactly double the one-way).
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]Either pills or a needle once a month. Or worst case they want you to knock them up and hope to hook you.[/QUOTE]No "pills or needles" prevent SIDA (AIDS) or herpes. If she'll do you bareback what are the chances you're the first?
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]I thought maybe I was missing out on something, so I am here chatting with my boy who is a real "playboy" and goes to the University of Medellin, you know the one near that mall MOLINOS. He is my contact I use most of the time to arrange non pro parties and has introduced many many hot University girls. I asked him about the condom issue and he said that and I quote "MOST girls I have been with about 90% ask for condoms and I always carry a condom on me, unless they are drunk or something, but the real good girls always ask for it. Bandidas or easy chicks might not worry about it" So I am good with that. LOL[/QUOTE]Maybe his playboy-looks make the girls hesitant. After all a good looking guy like him must be fucking around (no pun intended).
Seriously now, obviously the government and others in Colombia succeeded in scaring the shit out of the Colombiano/a's. So there still is a vast mayority of both genders which insist on the use of condoms. The ones I fuck(ed) don't, but I must admit that I've been refused many, many times. Both by pro's and non-pro's.
[QUOTE=Menteng]Maybe his playboy-looks make the girls hesitant. After all a good looking guy like him must be fucking around (no pun intended).
Seriously now, obviously the government and others in Colombia succeeded in scaring the shit out of the Colombiano/a's. So there still is a vast mayority of both genders which insist on the use of condoms. The ones I fuck(ed) don't, but I must admit that I've been refused many, many times. Both by pro's and non-pro's.[/QUOTE]MMM, I definitely didn't say he had "PLAYBOY GOOD LOOKS" thats for sure, just a good bullshitter which is a must for survival for men AND women over there.
[QUOTE=Dirty Willy]I don't know how you finagled that one. I called Avianca's 800 number today and asked about it. They quoted me $220 plus tax and then I gave them cities and dates (Bogota-Cartagena-Medellin-Bogota) and after about 15 minutes she said with taxes it would be $499. I said I'd get back to her.
The price of those 3 same flights on Avianca's website was 975,000 CP, so the airpass doesn't even beat that.
Incidentally, there is no savings on round trip tickets on the website (i.e. it's exactly double the one-way).[/QUOTE]DW:
I mentioned in the post that not even the Avianca agents know a lot about it, that it may take 2 or 3 calls to get good info. You clearly talked to a call center agent who didn't know squat.
She/he was way off. They should have quoted you the same I paid, $260 + $16 tax
Scwmm
Folks,
1) Is it advisable to rent a car in Medellin? I am travelling with a buddy and thought that would be a way to save money when compared with renting a private taxi+driver.
2) Can anyone recommend a car rental company?
3) What about considerations such as insurance, etc?
4) I have a US drivers license. Will that be ok for driving in MDE?
[QUOTE=MS Clive]Folks,
1) Is it advisable to rent a car in Medellin? I am travelling with a buddy and thought that would be a way to save money when compared with renting a private taxi+driver.
2) Can anyone recommend a car rental company?
3) What about considerations such as insurance, etc?
4) I have a US drivers license. Will that be ok for driving in MDE?[/QUOTE]MS Clive,
Taxis are very cheap in Medellin. Also I can not picture anyone who is not very familiar w/ Medallo actually being able to find what they are looking for much less being able to drive amongst all the crazy drivers.
Do yourself and everyone else a favor and stick with taxis. Once you get there you will see clearly just what I am talking about.
Rainman3
All,
I am doing my research on which city to visit to find the hottest and most friendly women in Columbia? Can anyone give me their insight on which city is best; possibly pros and cons of each of the major cities.
Thanks
Generally renting a car is going to be MORE expensive than taking taxis everywhere, not less. Plus who in their right mind would want to drive here?
I personally get by just fine on public transport with the judicious use of taxis now and again when I have no other choice, even going out of town is usually easy on buses. You can also hire a vehicle and driver on a daily or weekly basis really easily here, once again, generally cheaper than renting a car.
Alright folks, point taken: I will not rent a car.
Will summon a taxi using cellphone.
[QUOTE=Tommy Boy]All,
I am doing my research on which city to visit to find the hottest and most friendly women in Columbia? Can anyone give me their insight on which city is best; possibly pros and cons of each of the major cities.
Thanks[/QUOTE]This has been debated time and again. I think no one is responding to you because all the regular posters on here are tired of this question, as there is no right or wrong answer. In your post above you state you are doing research on Colombia, so if this is the case, you should have learned the proper spelling of the country. ;) I suggest you go to Medellin, and experience the beautiful paises, and get a room at the Mansion. This will be a good starting point for you. Have fun!
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]This has been debated time and again. I think no one is responding to you because all the regular posters on here are tired of this question, as there is no right or wrong answer. In your post above you state you are doing research on Colombia, so if this is the case, you should have learned the proper spelling of the country. ;) I suggest you go to Medellin, and experience the beautiful paises, and get a room at the Mansion. This will be a good starting point for you. Have fun![/QUOTE]I'll second Urban's suggestion.
All Colombian cities have their hot and friendly women by the way, and every guy will have his favorite based on his experiences. Just go and find yours.
Good luck.
Hi guys,
Which airline flies direct into CTG from US cities?
Your help will be greatly appreciate.
Player2
[QUOTE=Player2]Hi guys,
Which airline flies direct into CTG from US cities?
Your help will be greatly appreciate.
Player2[/QUOTE]Avianca and American Airlines, but not everyday.
[QUOTE=Player2]Hi guys,
Which airline flies direct into CTG from US cities?
Your help will be greatly appreciate.
Player2[/QUOTE]Avianca flies MIA-CTG direct, and Spirit flies FLL-CTG direct.
Player2,
Avianca from Miami and Spirit Air from Fort Lauderdale.
[QUOTE=Player2]Hi guys,
Which airline flies direct into CTG from US cities?
Your help will be greatly appreciate.
Player2[/QUOTE]Avianca flys from Miami direct to CTG. I believe Spirit flys from Fort Lauderdale directly to CTG.
First, I believe Avianca is not cheap.
Copa Continental's partner flies not direct but through Panama.
I am flying on Copa, Bogota, CTG, Medellin and back to Bogota. I believe it is half the price of Avianca.
[QUOTE=Player2]Hi guys,
Which airline flies direct into CTG from US cities?
Your help will be greatly appreciate.
Player2[/QUOTE]
I believe American go to Cartagena from Miami, and I think some flies direct from NY or Newark, I remember I met someone who flew direct from NY to Cartagena, but it might be seasonal.
Side note: I just booked a trip on American to MDE, from Baltimore-Miami to MDE. I priced it at 900 then used my frequnt flier miles, 35, 000 miles. Seemed more cost effective.
Sometimes its better to use the mileage. Costa Rica, Panama and Bogota /Medellin are about the same distance, yeah Colombia is a little further, but the price difference is usually much greater percentage wise, than the distance, so I used the mileage.
Copa is hit or miss. In May I flew Avianca because Copa wanted 1200. This time I flew Copa and paid less than 600 (about 100 more than last year) IAD - MDE. It depends on the time of the year... I shop around to get the best price between Copa, AA and AV.
I am in Medellin now if anyone wants to meet up. I am staying at the Odeon and need some ¨clean¨diversion.
317 398 59 59
Mike
[QUOTE=World Travel 69]First, I believe Avianca is not cheap.
Copa Continental's partner flies not direct but through Panama.
I am flying on Copa, Bogota, CTG, Medellin and back to Bogota. I believe it is half the price of Avianca.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=many]Spirit Air from Fort Lauderdale.[/QUOTE]Weren't there some posts a while back suggesting that eating your own entrails was a easier option than flying Spirit? You might want to take a look at those.
I don't belive that American ever flew to CTG. They certainly have not done so in the last 6 years. They may have flown to BAQ.
There was some noise about American starting a MIA-CTG route, but it has not happened.
If you check the flights at this time, there is only one flight to Bogota. In my case from SFO to Bogota at 6am. Which I had to use next week.
The rest is an overnight stay over in Houston or Miami or maybe some other Fuck up city.
AA is starting a direct to a couple of cities in Brazil, Natal and one other.
No so good for us US$ or Euro mongers in Brazil.
You should read the [url]www.argentinaprivate.com[/url] about your money. Thread is Chit chat Politics and Stocks or something like that. Spanish is easy with spelling.
Sorry, Just lost my Google's spell checker. We all need it.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]I don't believe that American ever flew to CTG. They certainly have not done so in the last 6 years. They may have flown to BAQ.
There was some noise about American starting a MIA-CTG route, but it has not happened.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=World Travel 69]If you check the flights at this time, there is only one flight to Bogota. In my case from SFO to Bogota at 6am. Which I had to use next week.
The rest is an overnight stay over in Houston or Miami or maybe some other Fuck up city.
AA is starting a direct to a couple of cities in Brazil, Natal and one other.[/QUOTE]AA has 2 flights a day Miami to Bogota:
1045 am
515 pm
AA never has flown direct to CTG and they just pulled out of BAQ again.
Dogs, always wanted to commend on your Tony Lama Butch phrase...that is pure art, but the "big" guys that walk around in shorts with a blazoned logo tshirt look more out of place, especially in Poblado.
Hey Guys,
I'm arriving in MDE tomorrow night, staying at Hotel Florida. If anyone wants to visit let me know.
Also, can someone please help me - What's the best way to get from the airport to the hotel without getting robbed?
Thanks!
I hear you Marzon.
I see it in CTG also, but the hot and humid weather keeps some of the Del Rey crowd in MDE
Plus there's no Aussie Greg mansion in Laquito.
Would like to know if anyone would be around any of those 2 cities around that time?
Finally, after a 14 month absence, I am returning to MDE at the end of Jan. While I have maintained contact with a few amigas, there is always room for more....
I was wondering if anyone has had much luck meeting new potential conquests online or in chat rooms. If so, would you provide some direction.
Thanks
at the risk of being blasted by everyone and being called a lazy leech, i'm just going to come out and ask this.
are there any comprehensive reports/primers to p4p in colombia or specific cities in general? something like a condensed guide to the in's and out's of scoring in colombia.
i've seen them in the forums for some of the other prime destinations like brazil.
there's a wealth of info on here, but it could take ages to get up to speed, and i was curious if there's an easier way to get the lowdown without having to pore through the whole forum.
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]Weren't there some posts a while back suggesting that eating your own entrails was a easier option than flying Spirit? You might want to take a look at those.[/QUOTE]I'm flying on Spirit Air for the first time next weekend from Atlantic City to CTG via Fort Laurerdale. I guess I'm a little worried about the quality of this airline. Does anyone have any prior experiences (good or bad) I should be aware of?
I was lured by their ticket prices in comparison to flying Continental from EWR to BAQ via Miami, which was way more expensive during this time of the year. This is the first time I've seen an airline charge a different price for sitting by the isle or window instead of the center.
I've done the FLL. CTG rountrip on Spirit four times since they started flying the route in May and I wouldn't hesitate to fly them again.
While they're a little slow at the check-in with processing boarding passes, etc. , (especially in Cartagena), it really isn't all that bad for saving a couple hundred dollars. Or more
The plane they fly between FLL. CTG is fairly new and the flight crew has always had a pleasant disposition. I don't mind paying $3 if I want a bottle of water or a snack and I don't have a problem with them not accepting cash (only credit/debit card) when I do.
I also go ahead and pay a little more for an aisle seat in an exit row. Makes sense for me to pay a little extra to ensure that my wide-body doesn't get stuck in the middle between two husky mongers, LOL.
Enjoy your flight and have fun!
[QUOTE=Panman]I'm flying on Spirit Air for the first time next weekend from Atlantic City to CTG via Fort Laurerdale. I guess I'm a little worried about the quality of this airline. Does anyone have any prior experiences (good or bad) I should be aware of?
I was lured by their ticket prices in comparison to flying Continental from EWR to BAQ via Miami, which was way more expensive during this time of the year. This is the first time I've seen an airline charge a different price for sitting by the isle or window instead of the center.[/QUOTE]
Spirit is just like Air Trans, do yourself a favor and fly first class, its not that much more. For what we pay, it's great.
[QUOTE=Panman]I'm flying on Spirit Air for the first time next weekend from Atlantic City to CTG via Fort Laurerdale. I guess I'm a little worried about the quality of this airline. Does anyone have any prior experiences (good or bad) I should be aware of?
I was lured by their ticket prices in comparison to flying Continental from EWR to BAQ via Miami, which was way more expensive during this time of the year. This is the first time I've seen an airline charge a different price for sitting by the isle or window instead of the center. [/QUOTE]
[blue]Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson[/blue]
I have only been there once and it was non-mongering at the time.
Can someone recommend a taxi or car service from the airport?
I remember it was a long trip to the city. thanks
I am writing this mostly for the purpose of entertainment, although there is some useful information to be gleaned. Pictures are minimal unfortunately as most have faces showing and I don’t want to reveal identities. The majority of the story is from Cartagena, although it continues into Santa Marta and Bogota forums for my final days. It’s rather long. So if you are up for it, make yourself a drink, sit back, relax and enjoy the story.
Cartagena
MONDAY
10:30 PM - On my second day in Cartagena after recuperating a bit from the heat and travel, I thought I would try out LDV as it had been recommended to me to be a good place to start. The taxi driver knew exactly where it was and there were a few women hanging around outside, who were happy to direct me to the door.
I went in and invited a woman named Dana from the south, who walked in at the same time, to join me for a drink. I was kind of deciding if I was even interested in her and after a while she initiated a negotiation. She said it was 200K for an hour or so and I said it was too much. She asked how much was good for me and I said maybe 100K. We hung out a while longer, danced some salsa, but it was soon apparent that it wasn’t going to go anywhere and I really didn’t know if I wanted it to.
11:30 PM - It was starting to get busy with about a 50-50 ratio of men to women. I was getting a bad vibe about the place, probably from my conversation with Dana. I asked the DJ for salsa and he offered to sell me a salsa CD and I’d had enough of people trying to sell me stuff for the day. I couldn’t really get a good view of the women there because it was kind of dark.
I went to the bar where I could see a bit better. I started chatting with one who seemed interested although the more I looked at her, the less interested I was. Then I started chatting with Yennifer, a 21-year old from Cali who looks kind of like Lisa Bonet. I think she’d get a 7 or 8 in most people’s books. I felt like there was good chemistry and offered her 100K to come back to my place and she smiled and said sure.
We talked a bit on the way back in the taxi.
‘Do you have a boyfriend?’
‘No’
‘It’s too bad I’m here only a week, or I’d be your boyfriend.’
‘You can be my boyfriend this week.’
And with that we started kissing. She was a wild woman who liked deep kissing. I was with her 3 or 4 times during the week and they all kind of blend together now, so I’ll just summarize here for those who like the details. She really liked being spanked…. hard. She kept asking for more the first time. I asked later if she was sure it didn’t bother her and she said she liked it really hard. The second time, I spanked her until my hand couldn’t take it anymore. She took it por atras after the first time and was really into using beads and a vibrator. I always slipped her 100K afterwards. I certainly could have had a freebie if I wanted. The only question would be if I had continued to get them. But I liked her and was happy to give her my money.
2:30 AM - After our first session, we walked from the place I was staying in the old town, to Elektra. I had a drink with Yennifer and scoped the place out a bit. It was pretty dark and the music was grating on me, so I decided to get some fresh air out front. I would definitely say hanging out front of Elektra around 3AM is the best piece of advice I could give anyone for several reasons. First you escape the music. Now I know this is subjective thing, but honestly, I really don’t understand how people can enjoy electronic music without having had a partial lobotomy first.
But even if that music is your cup of tea, there are other reasons. You get to watch the women arrive one by one (or by 2 or 3) in taxis from LDV and the light on that street is pretty bright so you can get a decent look at them, unlike inside. And you can buy some gum or cigarettes from the vendors outside and offer them as they come in.
A lot of women asked what I was doing out there and I told them I was there to greet them. They took my gum and laughed and kissed me and told me I should come inside. I was enjoying more watching them come in one by one, and I had already had my fun for the night. After a while, I got tired and headed back to get some sleep.
TUESDAY
I spent some time on the Bocagrande beach having the taxi take me to Hollywood beach. I just wanted to take a walk on the beach and check things out, but man you really get accosted. I didn’t want a chair, massage, bracelet, drugs, chicas, etc. I walked about a quarter mile and realized the woman who had offered me a massage when I arrived was right behind me.
A guy came up and started handing me crab.
‘It’s good. How much is it going to cost?’
‘5K.’
‘Ok. 5K. I’m not going to pay more so tell me when I’ve eaten 5K worth.’
‘OK.’
A couple minutes later he tells me I’ve eaten 55K worth of crab and his buddy has shown up claiming he’s security. I ignored him and told the other guy I’d made it clear I wanted no more than 5K worth of crab. I told him we should take a walk on the beach and ask all the other vendors what they thought of him ripping off tourists, so that nobody would come back. I finally agreed to give him 10K, since I didn’t have a 5K note. I have to admit the crab was pretty good.
A got a leg massage a bit later for 10K from 2 women both named Shirley. They’re pretty good at those. One thing I’m pretty sure of; if selling sex was legal and selling massages was illegal, then the prices would be basically reversed. Those massages feel good.
9 PM - I thought I’d check out some of the clubs in the old town, walking distance from where I was staying. I started with Queens Club, which I had passed the night before and was around the corner from where I lived. 10K to enter. Fine. I walked in the same time as a blond woman who could have passed for a gringa. I agreed to buy her a wine, which I quickly regretted as it was 15K and she had bad breath.
I sat down with her, but found the place really aggravating with loud electronic music and annoying flashing lights and a large video screen playing that program about the playboy mansion. There were maybe 10 women there. Most looked OK, but I really couldn’t tell with the lighting there. I asked blondie about prices there just out of curiosity. Rooms were 10 or 20K, chicas 300K. I dismissed myself after a few minutes as I couldn’t stand the place. Definitely a waste of 30K with my drink. It was the worst place I visited in Colombia.
9:30 PM - I walked around a bit looking for Tu Candela and Babar. Babar wasn’t open until Thursday and then somehow I got redirected to Isis. No cover so that was good. More electronic dance music, but the atmosphere was better than at Queens Club. I bought a beer for 8K. I started chatting with a woman at the bar from Santa Marta. She was a hottie. I was soon dancing with her and enjoying looking at her. She seemed to have no underwear and the jeans were kind of sliding down showing her crack. I could feel that the cialis I had taken the previous day was still working.
I was getting ready to ask her what she thought of coming back with me for 100K, when she told me prices were 270K for an hour and 500K for the night. I said I’d think about it and she was gone. Yennnifer told me later she used to work there and got fired for getting high in the club (She was getting stoned most of the time I was with her) She said the owners a gringo from Texas who owns Pleyclub as well. Apparently the guy does quite well. Prices are ridiculous though.
10:30 PM - I headed over to Bananas. A guy had given me a card earlier and said there were about 30 women there. I arrived and there were less than 10. What a surprise. Most of them would be below a 5, but there were a couple that were a 6 or 7. There was no cover and I liked the music and the beer was about 5K each, so I stuck around to drink and dance before heading over to Elektra.
There was this one woman sitting at the bar who probably should have been the poster child for not going into hooking. She was probably in her 30s or 40s but just looked beat down by life. She sat alone and had this scowl on her face the whole time, which just kind of said ‘Don’t ^%$^$^ with me’. The 2 better looking women said they were cousins although one looked like an Indian and the other like a gringa.
At one point early on I started asking about prices, mostly out of curiosity.
‘How much is it to go to a room here?’
‘They have rooms across the street.’
‘How much do you ask?’
‘How much would you want to pay for the night?’
‘Seven Hundred Thousand Pesos.’
‘Seven Hundred Thousand Pesos?’
‘Seven Hundred Thousand.’
(Pause) ‘OK.’
‘Come on, you know that’s ridiculous. How much do you ask?’
‘200K usually.’
‘It’s a lot.’
‘I stay a long time.’
‘Maybe later.’
I stuck around there for a while dancing. I liked the atmosphere, certainly a lot better than Queens or Isis. At one point I asked if she would be interested in having a 3some with her cousin. She went and consulted with her cousin at one point who was with a gringo. She came back and said she couldn’t do it. Fine, I was just curious. At the end I took her number and email and we said we’d get together at some point.
2 AM - I headed out of Bananas and started heading on my way over to Elektra. I met a street guitarist on the way over and started singing with him for a bit. I told him to come over to Elektra. We met a fairly ugly street walker on the way over and the guitarist was chatting with her a bit and then later told me she was asking him for 40K, and said he wished he could afford her. I was really surprised he didn’t ask me for the money. But he was a cool guy and we hung out in front of Elektra as the women started arriving from LDV.
When Yennifer arrived I took the guitar and started serenading her asking her if she would be going to the islands with me tomorrow. She said sure and off we went to my place for an evening of pleasure before a day in the islands. I gave the guitar man 10K as I left.
WEDNESDAY
I was amazed we got up on time to make the boat to the islands, but we did. My mistake was organizing the tour with the touts who hang around the dock. Better to go to the office, I think. It was kind of a rushed tour and it left an hour later than they said and there were a bunch of costs that weren’t mentioned earlier.
Yennifer was in constant need of weed so she had one of the tout’s friends make a run for her. He never made it back and she said she was going to have one of her police friends go after him, but she was more distraught at not having weed for the day. Luckily she found some when we were at the Playa Blanca.
We had some interesting conversations on the island. She was telling me she spends about over 4 million pesos a month (more or less $2000) on expenses. I wanted to tell her that she should save her money, that this couldn’t last forever for her. She was planning on spending 6 million pesos for a boob job, not to enlarge them, just to firm them up. I’m not really sure why. They seemed OK to me. She was telling me that probably 60 to 70 percent of the women at LDV are lesbians and it made it easier for them to do their work.
‘What about you? Have you ever been with a woman?’
‘I tried it once, but just with a friend for fun to do something crazy.’
‘But you’ll go with clients with more than one women.’
‘Yeah, but I don’t really touch the other woman.’
‘Do many clients ask for that?’
‘Not very often.’
‘That’s a big fantasy for a lot of men.’
‘Yeah, but they think it’s going to be like in the porno movies, but it’s really usually much more tame, like the 2 women just take turns with the guy.’
‘You took the words right out of my mouth.’
I don’t know if that translates literally in Spanish, but she laughed at it. She knew what I meant. I asked if she would go to bed with me and another woman or two … but like in the porno movies. She said OK, she’d do that for me. We started talking about who would be the possibilities at LDV.
She brought up a woman named Gia. Gia probably stands out more than any woman at LDV. How attractive you think she is would definitely depend on your tastes. She’s the least Latin looking woman there and has her hair done up in this really unusual style that looks like something out of Vogue Magazine. I knew who she was talking about right away when she described her.
Yennifer said Gia really had the hots for her and sometimes when Gia was on ecstasy or really drunk she would get really intense about grabbing Yennifer and be really jealous when she was talking to guys in the club. Yennifer said she was just too intense for her sometimes. Every time I would bring it up after that, she’d alternate between saying she’d be up for a 3some with Gia and then saying Gia just freaked her out too much. To me, it sounded like it would be fun, and I was curious to see how things would turn out.
Afterwards, we went and crashed at my place to recover from the previous night. We woke up around 3 in the morning. She went to Elektra and I opted for more sleep.
THURSDAY
Can’t really remember the day, but I thought I’d start the night out at Banana’s, for dancing and drinking. Selection was as poor as before, but I had a good time there. Around 10 or so, I headed to LDV. I decided to hang out near the entrance and started chatting with a woman who looked kind of Russian. She said a lot of people told her she looked Russian. We chatted a while and were having some good laughs.
Yennifer walked in and I gave her an earring she had left at my place. She headed into the crowd. I told the Russian looking woman that we were probably going to have an orgy tomorrow and if she wanted to come. She said she had never really done anything like that. I tried to talk her into it a bit and she seemed to be curious.
Gia walked in and I said something to her, but she just kind of walked by like she didn’t hear me. The Russian woman and I had some laughs about this. I told her Gia would probably be at the orgy, but I’d have to get her to acknowledge me first. After a bit I went over to Gia and told that we were having an orgy the next day and she would be the guest of honour. She seemed to not quite follow what I was saying but in the end agreed that it sounded pretty cool.
I found Yennifer and was telling her that the other two women were cool with the idea of a 4 way, but I was getting a bad vibe from her. I quickly just decided that she had lost interest and wanted to move on to other things. Fine, I thought, there are other places I want to try anyway. Usually nothing comes of these orgy conversations anyway. I headed out the door for Pleyclub in El Bosque.
11 PM - I guess I just hadn’t been to El Bosque before because I couldn’t find it on the map and it seemed like it might be a dicey area. But I arrived at Pleyclub and the area seemed alright. I was told this used to be called Pleyboy, before the actual Playboy threatened to sue. I think there was no cover, but the drinks were expensive.
I started chatting with a pretty woman I met at the door and came to sit down with me. I was soon told an hour or so with her would be 200K. I think her rum and coke was something like 20K, so I didn’t stick around long enough to get her another one. She did give me her number on a very romantic piece of heart-shaped paper. Unfortunately, I didn’t get a chance to call. The lighting in the place made it bit difficult to see, but the selection seemed pretty good, although not worth the prices.
12 AM - I asked a taxi driver if anything else was nearby. He had a discussion with another driver and they determined that Venus is now closed, but they knew of another one called Club Ligeros about 5 minutes away, so off we went. I entered and passed something like a stage with a pole on it with couches surrounding it. The women were all scantily clad. The only beer they had was Becks for 10K, so I had one.
A fat lady in regular clothes, who was obviously the manager, brought over a woman to sit with me, but she really wasn’t attractive and I kind of dismissed myself. Another woman sat next to me; Julia from Medellin. I found something about her really sexy. She was somewhat dark, very petite and had her hair drawn back like a ballerina. We drank and joked for a while. I think she was pretty lit as she spilled her rum and coke on me at one point. But I had fun talking to her.
At one point the conversation turned to orgies.
‘Would you be willing to have one with some of the women here?’
‘Maybe with some of them.’
I looked around. ‘How about her?’
‘That’s Diana. I’m friends with her, but I don’t think she’d go for something like that.’
Diana looked really innocent. She had a really cute girl next store face. It almost seemed out of place that she was in a bikini, but she looked good in it. I called her over and she sat next to me.
‘Is it alright if we corrupt you?’
‘What?’
‘We want to corrupt you. We’re thinking of the three of us trying some wild things. How does that sound?’
‘That sounds kind of fun.’
The rest of the night in the bar was fun, with Diana snuggling with me and Julia kissing me. Unfortunately Julia was giving me something ridiculous for prices like 200K each and 70K each for the house. I told them maybe we could meet outside at some point and both said they’d really like that. Julia didn’t have a cell, but Diana did and Julia had her give me the number, which she did very clandestinely. Julia seemed to be the one who wanted to negotiate. So I left thinking that was at the least a fun place that I’d like to go back to.
FRIDAY
During the day I took a trip to the mud volcano which was one of the strangest and coolest things I’ve ever done. I would definitely recommend it. Yennifer stopped over unannounced later in the day. I’ve picked up from these forums that this is a common habit of the women there. We brought up orgies again and she said it still sounded fun. I said I’d probably go to LDV that night, but later on I just decided I needed an early night. Man I wish my body could handle several consecutive wild nights like it used to. In my younger days, all I’d do is drink, certainly too much, due mostly to not getting laid.
SATURDAY
2 PM - I had been trying to call Diana from Club Ligeros, but there was never a response (again something very common). I was taking a taxi from the center to Castillo San Felipe and I asked the driver if he knew a club in El Bosque. I couldn’t remember the name at that point. He brought up Pleyclub, but I said that wasn’t it. He said he knew of another called Casa Rosario and said he could take me there if I wanted. I didn’t think that was the name, but I thought it would be better to look for the place in the day, so off we went to El Bosque.
So first we went to Casa Rosario. It was pretty full already at 2PM with a lot of women. Most were decent looking or better from a quick observation and the place was fully lit by daylight. But I wanted to find the place I had been before (Club Ligeros) so the driver consulted someone. Was it el Marino? (I’m not quite sure of the name he gave, but it was something like that). But I wasn’t sure, so off we went. We arrived and I could tell it wasn’t it. But I thought I’d pop my head in. There were only 2 women there. I think they were decent but it was at a bit of a distance.
The driver asked someone else. Was it Club International? I didn’t think so, but let’s try it. We pulled up and I realized that wasn’t it either. But I decided to take a gander inside anyway. I liked what I saw. I walked up to a really pretty looking woman who introduced herself as Adriana.
She had another good looking friend next to her who she introduced to me. I think her friend was kind of scowling but then smiled at me when I said hello. I thought ‘man, these 2 are hot. I want to come back here.’ But I wanted to do some things in the day and find Diana and Julia, so I told them I’d be back later. Driver talked to someone and said there was another place……..Club Ligeros. ‘Yes, that’s it.’ I told him.
So we got their and I was happy to finally find it. It was funny; there were about 10-15 women there and they literally cheered when I walked in, led by the fat manager lady. I didn’t want to really stick around, just to see if Diana would be answering her phone and find out if they’d be in that evening. Julia convinced me stick around long enough to buy her a drink. I headed out with plans to return in the evening.
The driver told me most of the places in El Bosque were about 150K per hour, which I figured could be cut to a shorter period for a lot cheaper. I found out later that club International was 120K for an hour. I was starting to think I should have been coming to this area earlier in the week. If you don’t mind probably being the only gringo, this is the area where you want to be. I know it was for me. Unfortunately I found it a week into my trip.
7 PM – I was having a drink at my place with the following plan; go back to the places in El Bosque, try to negotiate a shorter session, leave a decent propina, in the hopes that they’d want to meet up later after work hours. Then I’d go to LDV and see if Yennifer would join me and maybe bring a friend or two. It was an optimistic plan, but I figured I’d be having fun one way or another. Then Yennifer showed up at the apartment and told me she wasn’t going to LDV that night.
‘That’s fine. Let’s go to some clubs then. We can pick out some women to come with us for our fiesta.’
‘Where do you want to go?’
‘Club International and Club Ligeros.’
She kind of put her nose up. ‘I don’t really like that place.’
‘I was there today. There are some pretty women who seemed cool.’
‘You were there?’
I told her the story of getting sidetracked on my way to the castle. So she said she’d join me.
‘But the places won’t get going until later on.’
‘I was there today around 2 and they were full. I want to go soon.’
‘Alright, but I need to go change.’
So off she went, and I waited delaying the start of my evening longer than I wanted, but I figured it would be fun to have her come along.
9:30 PM - After Yennifer returned, we taxied on over to International Club. The place was a lot darker at night and there were fewer women in the place. They were playing electronic music and I asked if they’d play salsa, which they switched to for a couple songs. I saw Adrianna and had her come over to sit with Yennifer and me. I didn’t see Adrianna’s friend. Adrianna actually looked better in the daylight than in the dark. But I knew she was pretty from seeing her earlier.
We chatted a bit and I asked if there were rooms there. Yes, 120K for an hour. Would she come up with Yennifer and me? She said no because her girlfriend, the other woman I met earlier, would be really jealous. Yennifer explained to me earlier that there’s usually a jealous one in these types of relationships.
I asked Adrianna if she and her friend wanted to have an orgy with Yennifer and me the next day. She said yes, that would be fun, and she didn’t throw out a price, so I took that as a good sign. She gave me her number. Adrianna then headed off to speak with her girlfriend. In hindsight, I think I should have tried to negotiate a shorter time with her and her friend in one of the rooms right there, but 240K just seemed like a heavy starting price and I figured I’d just do better the next day having them come by.
Yennifer and I headed out after a drink. We passed Adrianna by the door and she gave me kiss and told me to call her. Her girlfriend was there too. She was scowling, but managed a smile and kiss when I said hello to her.
10:30 PM - Yennifer and I taxied on over to Club Ligeros. She said she didn’t like the last club (International), that it was dingy (which it kind of was), but she’d be cool with getting together with Adrianna and her friend. At Club Ligeros, we found Julia and went to have a seat outside. Diana wasn’t working at the time. New rules prohibit smoking inside. So we had a couple drinks outside. Julia and Yennifer got along well. They discussed the pros and cons of their jobs (Julia had less expenses and was able to save more money, Yennifer had more freedom). So I brought up the idea of an orgy. Julia said the next day would be good.
‘Diana and I will meet you. There won’t be an exit fee to pay tomorrow, but it will be 200K each.’
‘That’s really a lot.’
‘That’s the normal price.’
‘I’ll think about it.’
So we left it at that and I said I’d call the next day when we left.
11:30 PM - We headed over to a place in Getsemeni called ‘El Havana’. This isn’t a mongering place, but it’s cool. Live music most nights and most everything they play there is either Cuban or salsa. Good food too. We ate and listened to the music and enjoyed the atmosphere. Yennifer said she’d be happy to have our little fiesta the next day. We stayed about and hour or so and went outside to look for a taxi.
There were a lot of people outside and there was a woman who recognized Yennifer and came over and started getting in her face with sort of a ghetto rant. I couldn’t really follow what it was about, but I kind of picked up something about 5000 pesos and showing respect. I was trying to make light of the situation and singing and dancing around them. I pulled out my pepper spray and sort of motioned to ask Yennifer if I should spray the other woman. She laughed and shook me off (I wouldn’t have actually done this).
I then pulled out a string of anal beads that I had with me (I had been very optimistic about using these at one of the clubs in El Bosque). I dangled them between Yennifer and the other woman. Yennifer certainly knew what they were and the other woman seemed to as well, because she started laughing at them. That seemed to end the confrontation. Nothing like a set of anal beads to diffuse a tense situation.
1 AM - We headed over to Bananas. Yennifer was in agreement that the music there was good but the women were pretty poor. We hung out a while there drinking. Yennifer had someone make a weed run for her and smoked at the bar. I was thinking of asking the two cousins that worked at Bananas to come to the orgy as a backup but decided against it.
3 AM - We headed over to Elektra and had a drink there. Yennifer was looking at this guy and I asked if she liked him.
‘Yeah, he’s Italian and he’s really good looking, but I won’t go with him because he never pays anyone.’
‘He never pays anyone?’
‘No he always get freebies.’
‘Wow. Impressive.’
I told Yennifer I wanted to get some sleep and she did too, so she came with me.
SUNDAY
10 AM - My last full day in Cartagena; I told Yennifer I was going to go try calling the women from the clubs. I said I wasn’t going to pay 200K each though.
‘They’re not going to come if you don’t pay.’
‘I’ll talk them into it.’
I went to the phone booth and tried Adrianna from International Club. I could barely make out the number. I think she was drunk when she wrote it and it was in the dark. I tried it and got voicemail. I went to withdraw money. I called again and got voicemail again. I called Dianna from Club Ligeros who answered. She put Julia on the phone and we figured out a meeting place as this restaurant near the clock tower at 1pm. I said I’d buy them lunch. She said they’d be there. I went back and told Yennifer and she said fine.
12:30 PM - Yennnifer and I headed over to the restaurant and ordered some food. I was battling a hangover and my food was not going down well. I had ordered there before with better results. Julia and Diana showed up sometime after 1. Maybe it was the hangover, but the situation just didn’t feel right to me. I was looking at Julia and thinking ‘she just does not look good in the daylight’. Diana still looked really cute. I was ready to jump over the table to have her. Julia and Diana ordered food and then Yennifer said she had to go check something on the internet and dismissed herself.
Then I brought up the matter of money.
‘200K is just too much. I’ll pay 100K and give propinas if it’s really good.’
Julia: ‘That should be OK. But you’re going back on what you said.’
‘I didn’t agree to it. Look if it’s not OK, we don’t have to do this.’
‘No we want to.’
Good, that was settled. We chatted a bit longer, but as I sat there I felt the hangover was getting stronger and Julia was getting less attractive. After a bit, I just decided I wasn’t up for this. The energy just wasn’t there. I told them and they seemed disappointed, but said it was OK. Then I was wondering what happened to Yennifer as it had been about a half hour since she left.
‘Did you understand what she said? I thought she said she was coming back. Or were we supposed to go get her?’
‘She didn’t really say if she’d come back. She just said she was going to check the internet. She was really cool last night but, but she’s acting very strange today.’
‘Well, let’s go check the internet places and then go to my place. She’ll probably go there eventually.’
So we checked the internet places and she wasn’t there and then went to my place to wait.
At my place, I’m not sure why, but my hangover seemed to recede, my energy seemed to return, Julia wasn’t looking all that bad, and Diana was making my mouth water. After a bit, I asked them if they wanted me to do a strip tease for them. They said that would be great. And one thing led to another and soon we were going at it, although it was mostly Diana and I together with Julia kind of watching. I liked doing it doggy style with Diana on the couch and making eye contact with Julia with my eyes saying ‘This is sooooo good.’ I got out a vibrator and crèmes and used them on Diana. They were scared of the anal beads. But we were having fun.
Then after about an hour, Julia asked me:
‘Do you want me to go down on her?’
‘Yes!!!!’
And with that it got really fun. Like one of those good porno movies. Julia and I went down on Diana together. We rimmed her at the same time. She had the cutest little culito and we were both commenting on it.
‘Que bonito culito tiene Diana.’
‘Si, muy sabroso.’
Diana was just moaning.
I got out a video camera at one point, but they weren’t really cool with that.
Then Diana worked on Julia with a vibrator.
After a good 3 or 4 hours we were tired out and kind of winding down when there was a ring on the buzzer.
‘Yennifer must have finally made it.’
‘Don’t answer it.’
I ignored it, but it rang a couple more times, so I answered. Up came Yennifer. Kind of an awkward situation, but I didn’t really care. Julia and Diana scrambled to get their clothes on as she came in which was kind of silly.
‘Where did you go? We waited for you.’ I really wasn’t sure at that point if she might have come back to the restaurant right after she left. She gave me a non-sensical answer.
I said ‘You missed all our fun.’ I went to hug her and she pushed me away.
I said ‘You’re pissed off. You probably want to slap me now.’ I held up her hand by the wrist and said go ahead. Pow! She slapped me pretty good. I think she felt better after that.
We went in and all four of us hung out for a while. Yennifer had some weed (surprise) which she smoked with Diana. I said I wanted a picture of the 3 of them so I could remember my wonderful days in Cartagena. They obliged and then I had Julia take one of myself between Diana and Yennifer. I thought ‘Man, I wish I were staying here longer.’ Everybody seemed cool. Sorry I’m not putting photos of them up. I don’t want to compromise anyone’s identity. As they left, I slipped Julia 100K, which she asked for and Diana 150K, which she didn’t ask for.
Yennifer and I went out for dinner that evening after Diana and Julia left. We went to a place called Café del Mar, which is really nice. It’s up on one of the walls surrounding the old town and has good food and good wine. She told me she was sorry. She just decided when sitting at that restaurant earlier in the day that she wasn’t up for an orgy. I thought that was kind of funny because I decided the same thing shortly after. It just happened anyway.
SANTA MARTA
MONDAY TO WEDNESDAY (Second Week)
After a week in Cartagena I took a bus to Santa Marta and arrived in the afternoon with the intention of visiting Tayrona Park. I had no intention of further mongering. I checked into a hotel and found an agency at one of the other hotels that gave full day tours of the park for 140K. Seemed expensive to me. I headed to Taganga to see if they arranged boat tours there.
On the way I met a Swiss guy who was sailing his boat around the world. A bit of a pirate. He was really gregarious and over the top, but I kind of liked having him show me around a bit. In the end he talked me into hiring some cycles the next day to go into the park to a more obscure area.
Then he asked if I wanted to go to some strip clubs that night. Sure, why not? First he needed to go out to his boat. He had his wife from Africa waiting on the boat while he went out during the day. So we went out on the pier and he whistled for his wife to come get him. It was a bizarre set up. On the pier, there were several people around, including three women hanging out and smoking weed. We started talking with them, and they worked in one of the clubs right near the pier. I think it was el Crucero. It is right near the main street next to the beach around Carrera 12. They all seemed pretty good looking. A couple of them left and I chatted with the other one a while. She said sex was her hobby. I told her we’d have to try the club out.
The winds were strong and my Swiss pirate friend gave up on his wife paddling in to get him. We went to my hotel and I showered and then off we went. He took me to a club called Bananas, 3 or 4 blocks south of Plaza Bolivar on Carrera 2.
In I went with my pirate friend. My pirate friend was a big guy with a lot of tattoos and spoke very little Spanish, but had little reluctance about getting in confrontations about prices. He said he’d be my bodyguard for the evening, but I thought I might be safer without him, given all the attention he drew. The music in the club was decent, but I couldn’t see too well and I was rather tired and planning to call it an early night soon. A black woman came and sat down next to me. I think my pirate friend called her over.
Pirate: ‘Ask her if we can both have her at once?’
Me: ‘My friend wants to know if we can both have you at once.’
She gave a sly smile. ‘Sure. That’s fine.’
Me: ‘Ok, good to know. How much is it here anyway?’
Chica: ‘An hour is 150K.’
Me: ‘How about a half hour?’
(She thought about it): ‘100K.’
Pirate: ‘What does she say?’
Me: ‘She said Ok, but I don’t think I’d be up for that, even on a good night.’
Threesomes involving another male don’t interest me and I think even if they did this pirate guy would be too over the top. I saw another woman I liked and sort of tried to ignore the woman sitting next to me. I watched the other woman walking around it a short blue halter top and mini dress. My pirate friend noticed and called her over to sit next to me and had the black woman sit next to him.
This was Rosa. Very sexy and cute and liked to laugh a lot. I was thinking ‘Damn, I like her, but I just don’t think I’m up for this tonight.’ The Colombian beer in a can was not going down well. Then we danced a together and I was feeling a bit better.
We sat back down and I asked about prices. I can’t remember exactly, but she told me something similar to the other woman. She also told me prices in dollars.
‘I don’t have dollars.’
‘Pesos is fine.’
‘There are rooms here?’
‘Yeah, right next door.’
‘They don’t cost extra?’
‘No.’
‘How much is the salida for you to leave?’
‘Let me go check.’
She went to ask and came back and told me she had to pay the bar 50K to leave.
‘If I pay it, will you come back with me?’
She kind of balked.
‘Do we have to have a price? Can I just give you something after?’
She thought a few seconds. ‘I prefer a price.’
‘Is 80K good?’
’80 K?’
‘Plus the 50 for the salida. 130K total.’
‘OK.’
And off we went to my hotel. I basically spent the next 36 hours with her, mostly f***ing and hugging and sleeping in each other’s arms. She was really sweet and we had a lot of fun together. The next morning the pirate came knocking at my door to head to the park and I asked her to come along. She did and I was grateful she did, because I think I would have been bored senseless otherwise.
There were 5 of us and we rented bikes to go to a really hidden part of the park, which was kind of cool, but we stayed in the same spot for several hours and had a picnic. I was mostly laying around with Rosa the whole time in our own space. At one point she was taking nude pictures of me and we were laughing about it. I hope she doesn’t put them up on the web site where putas compare notes on customers! I was wearing shades so I’m not too worried. I actually fell asleep lying in her arms on a large rock. I don’t think I’ve ever been so comfortable in my life lying on a rock.
After we left the park and went back to Santa Marta, we split up so she could go back to her place and change, before I got her to go out and eat. The pirate gave me a hard time:
‘You’re not in love, are you?’
‘Damn right I am! Falling in love with a puta is one of the great joys of life.’
‘I guess so.’
We went out to dinner around 7pm and had some nice conversation. Then we got a small bottle of rum and some coke (the drink, although she had her own powder) and headed back to the hotel. We were in room between 9pm and 11am. Very peaceful, fulfilling sex and deep dream filled sleep. She came with me to the airport the next day and I slipped her 60 US dollars as I left.
SATURDAY (Second Week)
Bogota
I was staying with people in Bogota who definitely wouldn’t approve of my extracurricular activities, so I wasn’t planning on doing any there, as I figured I’d had enough fun already. But my last night in Colombia, my host had something to do and suggested I hit Calle 93. Instead I got out Tung’s Chapinero map and tried it out.
9 PM - I started out on Caracas near Calle 73, a bit north of where the map starts. I went into Clapton Bar. It was upstairs and I ordered a beer. There were a few women here, not any good ones. I asked how many women worked there and they said 6. I headed out before asking about prices.
I headed down the street to Kukylandia. No entry. I kind of liked the setup. Good lighting, decent music and a big stage in the middle. Only a couple women, but they told me they come in around 10. I said I’d be back.
9:30 PM - I followed the map and went to Calle 72 to Chicas 2000. Closed at 9. I crossed the street to Chicas Milenio. I went in and it was kind of like a big waiting room with a bunch of couches. A woman sat with me on one of the couches. She was pretty good looking. Maybe a 7. I wanted to just feel things out. I was feeling kind of stingy. I shared my drink with her. I think she said it was 20K or 30K to go to a room.
‘Have you ever been with another woman?’
‘Yes, sometimes I do that if I’m paid.’
‘Do you ever do it for fun.’
She started laughing. ‘Yeah, sometimes I do it just for fun.’
She had a friend there she did it with sometimes and brought her out. I’d rather she hadn’t. The friend was not attractive. I said I just wanted her alone. I asked if photos were OK. She said for 50K. I said I’d come back.
I followed Tung’s map further south down Mariscal Sucre. It was kind of drizzly out. I’m not sure how the neighbourhood is. A couple other people walking alone made an effort to steer clear of me.
I got to the block between Calle 66 and 66A which Tung has Clubs 9 through 12 listed, all as Las Divas de Javier. They’re really obvious with bright lights unlike the other ones I was at earlier. I tried number 11. The guy at the door said no women were there and to try across the street. I tried club number 9. I was sat down and they had the women come one by one to say hello. The light wasn’t very good, but I’m sure that was the nastiest collection of women I’ve ever seen. I headed out quickly.
I walked in next door to club number 10 on the list. I went to a somewhat dark room and had the women lined up and introduced themselves. The lady in charge was this kind of biker chick with a bandana. I spotted a room across the hall with bright light. I asked if I could go there and get the hellos again. No problem.
The women weren’t attractive but they were a lot better than the place next door. I said I’d have a drink with one. She was kind of cute except for a bit of a large mole above her lip. I ordered a whiskey for her and a coke for me. We chatted a while; I think she said an hour was 35K. I decided against it and headed out to the disappointment of everyone.
I headed across the street to Club 12 on the list. You go up the stairs and a blond woman greeted me. She looked pretty good. I went to a darker waiting room and the women were brought in on a 1 by 1 basis. I didn’t like any of them. I told the woman in charge I’d buy her a drink. She said she wasn’t working. Great, the only pretty one and she’s the manager or something like that.
I had a drink and talked with another guy there who appeared to be doing nothing. I asked him about clubs and showed him Tung’s map. He said there were a bunch of clubs north of Calle 76 on Mariscal Sucre. Those aren’t even on the map. They’d have to wait for another trip as I had to be back by midnight. I took off and headed back north.
I headed for Kukylandia again. On my way back I passed this big white building with neon lights. I can’t remember the name now. I was curious what it was. Could Tung have missed this? No way. It was too obvious to miss. I thought I’d just poke my head in. The bouncer told me I couldn’t go in.
‘What? Why not.’
‘Women only.’
‘Women only?’
‘It’s a gay bar.’
‘Ahhh. OK. Never mind.’
I decide to stick to Tung’s map.
10:15PM - I arrived back at Kukylandia again. I wasn’t disappointed. The women had arrived now and from what I saw most were decent. Definitely better than anywhere else I had been that evening. I spotted one at the bar. She looked really good from the side. I caught her attention and waved her over. She looked even better close up. Angelica 27, from the coast. This woman was really hot and seemed younger than 27. Beautiful face, nice smile, great body. We chatted a bit. There were rooms there: 80K for an hour, 40K for 20 minutes.
‘How about a half hour?’
‘60K’.
‘Can you give me a discount for an hour?’
‘No.’
‘Please.’
She went to check with the guy at the bar. She came back and said 70K. OK. It wouldn’t have mattered to me if she said no.
What can I say about the hour? It was great. I put the faceless pictures in the photo gallery (post 1929). She was almost flawless other than a small caesarean section and she was very sweet. I was a great last session for Colombia, but I was really regretting not being able to bring her back for the night and not being able to come back the next day as I was leaving. Just a taste………
She told me it was the beginning of a nice friendship. Oh, the pain of going back home! I gave her 20K when we left the room and then bought her another drink and then gave her another 10K. I was no longer feeling stingy at all. I kept telling her she should be a model in complete sincerity.
And thus ended my first voyage to Colombia. As I was waiting in line in the airport in Miami on the way back home, I was behind a gringo couple. The women was pretty hot. They were arguing quietly about something having to do with going out on her birthday and when they got to security she gave a big fake smile. I just wanted to say to the guy ‘Man, that is soooo not worth it.’ Poor guy.
Hopefully it won’t be too long until my next voyage. Hope you’ve enjoyed the story.
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Hello everyone,
I am a regular in Brasil and would like to give Colombia a visit later this year. I have started reading a bit the Colombia board and it sounds quite interesting. My main concern is safety. How safe is Colombia to visit? I aint no pussy, as I travel frequently to Brasil and Rio who is not a walk in the park, but I feel that Colombia is on a different level in terms of safety and danger. Can the Colombia regulars shed some lights into the security and safety issue there?
Another dilemma I have is where would be a good place for a first time visit to Colombia? Can anyone post a comparaison between the major destinations in Colombia such as Medelin, Cali, Bogota and Cartagena and post the + and -of each cities and how they would compare against each other? I would really appreciate it.
Thanks a lot.
[QUOTE=Sprite13]Hello everyone,
I am a regular in Brasil and would like to give Colombia a visit later this year. I have started reading a bit the Colombia board and it sounds quite interesting. My main concern is safety. How safe is Colombia to visit? I aint no pussy, as I travel frequently to Brasil and Rio who is not a walk in the park, but I feel that Colombia is on a different level in terms of safety and danger. Can the Colombia regulars shed some lights into the security and safety issue there?
Another dilemma I have is where would be a good place for a first time visit to Colombia? Can anyone post a comparaison between the major destinations in Colombia such as Medelin, Cali, Bogota and Cartagena and post the + and -of each cities and how they would compare against each other? I would really appreciate it.
Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]Common sense and typical street smarts, dont be a belligerent nasty gringo, dress down, call taxis when you can and stay out of the bad areas.. NEW MONGER in Colombia? Go to CTG or a Mansion, VIP establishment in MDE where you will find other mongers with the same likes and in the same shoes as you!
Good Luck!
Any feedback on these areas would be appreciated.Seems there are plenty of very desireable Columbianas to be had in these two city's.
Of course you travels are documented nowadays! What do you think, the U. S. Would just let people come in and out and not notice the person who travels to Beirut or Iran very frequently for "vacation"? Come on man wake and smell the coffee. That doesn't mean that they necessarily know what you are doing there.
[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife][url]http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-24971907[/url][/QUOTE]
Pereira is a little dangerous but lots of hotties.
Have you tried Manizales, it is fun too.
[QUOTE=Hunglow1625]Any feedback on these areas would be appreciated.Seems there are plenty of very desireable Columbianas to be had in these two city's.[/QUOTE]
Please give a little more information as to how Pereira is dangerous.
What to look out for, areas to avoid.
Thanks,
KT
Thanks for your reply, Cabroncito.
I don't drive, don't go to bars or out late at night. I try to avoid confrontations. I've been in Thailand for 13 years, want a change of pace. I was looking at Medellin, but a poster on another board recently moved from Medellin to Pereira, and found it smaller with less traffic and pollution, but with good infrastructure. I'll be down that way in May.
KT
Even that I do belive that the things Cabroncito is writing about, actually do happens. There is a far softer/better side of the town where you can be a tourist. With absolutley no problem at all.
How do I know this?
I know a white gringo (stands way out in the crowd) who have been living and working in Pereira for two years now. Never had a problem.
The guy is not a "street smart, know-it-all dude". Just a guy like you and me. And he loves the city, and have no plans of moving out of there.
Clearly, like in any city in any country, there are bad neighborhoods, just as there are good neighborhoods.
So bottomline, If you want to go there, don't hesitate. Just use common sense, be polite and have yourself a good time.
No reason to keep away from following your dreams and desires.
Have a good trip and a fun vaccation.
Ken Apples
[QUOTE=Cabroncito]It is rougher on the edges, differences are settled the old fashioned way. I have only met two gringos there after many visits and it was through a mutual friend.
About your question, I was eating with a friend upstairs in Bolivar plaza and we hear a loud crash. A taxi hit a motorcycle sending the driver to the ground (it was not clear who was at fault) After he realized the bike was okay, he responded by shooting the taxi driver and female passenger in broad daylight with about 500 horrified witnesses. This is not a bad area either.
I have also seen guys beating girls outside of nightclubs on two separate nights while the doorman turns a blind eye. Also you will see quite a few signs posted on telephone poles looking for people who have disappeared.
I keep a low profile so I have never had and issue with anyone. In fact I have many close friends here and find the city quite enchanting.
Manizales is a better choice though if you have weak bladder.[/QUOTE]
I do not think Pereira or Cali should be avoided. Just do not "stand out in a crowd" by being loud, belligerent, and wearing shorts and a gold chain.
[QUOTE=Ken_Apples]Even that I do belive that the things Cabroncito is writing about, actually do happens. There is a far softer/better side of the town where you can be a tourist. With absolutley no problem at all.
How do I know this?
I know a white gringo (stands way out in the crowd) who have been living and working in Pereira for two years now. Never had a problem.
The guy is not a "street smart, know-it-all dude". Just a guy like you and me. And he loves the city, and have no plans of moving out of there.
Clearly, like in any city in any country, there are bad neighborhoods, just as there are good neighborhoods.
So bottomline, If you want to go there, don't hesitate. Just use common sense, be polite and have yourself a good time.
No reason to keep away from following your dreams and desires.
Have a good trip and a fun vaccation.
Ken Apples[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Khun Talung]Thanks for your reply, Cabroncito.
I don't drive, don't go to bars or out late at night. I try to avoid confrontations. I've been in Thailand for 13 years, want a change of pace. I was looking at Medellin, but a poster on another board recently moved from Medellin to Pereira, and found it smaller with less traffic and pollution, but with good infrastructure. I'll be down that way in May.
KT[/QUOTE]I think you will be fine there. Medellin is a dump. Cali and pereira are much more fun.
Can you share the name of the board you read this on?
Can any of guys tell me best way to send laptop, to friend in Cartigina. Anything I do no know about customs, taxes time in transit, ect would be helpful. Sending from Fl. Gotta get webcam up and running.
Thanks
Colombia's peso dips to lowest level since July 2006
[quote]Mon Feb 2, 2009 7:37pm GMT
BOGOTA, Feb 2 (Reuters) - Colombia's peso <COP=RR> currency closed on Monday at its weakest level against the dollar in two-and-a-half years, dragged down by global risk aversion and expectations for deeper interest rate cuts, traders said.
The central bank, in an effort to stem the peso's slide, staged its second $180-million auction of "call" options in as many days.
The peso ended down 0.44 percent at 2,446.5 per dollar, a level not seen since July 2006. Monday's loss extended its slide since the start of the year to 7.87 percent. In the last 12 months, the peso has weakened by 24.77 percent.
Orlando Gonzalez, an analyst at the Banco Popular bank, said risk aversion due to the global slowdown and expectations for further interest rate cuts were pressuring the peso.
"(Those factors) are contributing to the dollar's tendency to firm," he said.
Colombia's central bank cut its benchmark interest rate by 50 basis points for a second consecutive month on Friday, and policy-makers hinted that more reductions were likely.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Captbb]Can any of guys tell me best way to send laptop, to friend in Cartigina. Anything I do no know about customs, taxes time in transit, ect would be helpful. Sending from Fl. Gotta get webcam up and running.
Thanks[/QUOTE]That's a pretty expensive way to get some virtual sex LOL! Are you sure?
[QUOTE=Captbb]Can any of guys tell me best way to send laptop, to friend in Cartigina. Anything I do no know about customs, taxes time in transit, ect would be helpful. Sending from Fl. Gotta get webcam up and running.
Thanks[/QUOTE]The best way is to find someone going who will take it along. By the time you pay taxes and shipping, you would be better off sending money.
The friend can buy a laptop in CTG.
[QUOTE=Black Page]That's a pretty expensive way to get some virtual sex LOL! Are you sure?[/QUOTE]Yes that is true, but virtual sex with some of the girls down there(Colombia) is better than real sex with alot of these gringa chicks. Jajaja as they say.
Getting ready to pull the plug on the USA. Thinking of moving to Colombia.
I need some info on getting my pension and social security checks in Colombia, Right now I have direct deposit on both and when I travel I use ATMs with no problems. Also I hear you are only allowed 6 months a year in country. Is that true?
Either a PM, a post or web sites would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance, Vic
Peirera is like alot of smaller towns. Everybody knows your business, there is not a whole lot to do. Especially during the day and the pro scene is hit and miss as the girls are in Cali, Bogota or Medellin earning money. That said, if your Spanish is good there is fun to be had in the smaller towns.
Personally, I like Cali as healthy competition seems to ramp up the enjoyment factor.
I wouldn't change your checks, having them mailed to Colombia. Just leave the set up as is, use the ATM's. At least in the U. S. You have FDIC, and don't have to worry about them being lost or stolen in the mail.
Delays and paperwork on recovering lost checks.
I just got an email from the Colombian Consulate in Atlanta, with the documents required for a Pensionado Visa. Not much, about the same as for a Tourist Visa. Said the fee is US$175, but waived for Americans and a few other countries.
Check the web, see if there's a Consulate near you.
KT
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]Getting ready to pull the plug on the USA. Thinking of moving to Colombia.
I need some info on getting my pension and social security checks in Colombia, Right now I have direct deposit on both and when I travel I use ATMs with no problems. Also I hear you are only allowed 6 months a year in country. Is that true?
Either a PM, a post or web sites would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance, Vic[/QUOTE]Without a VISA you are limited to 180 days in a calendar year. With a VISA, you never have to leave.
Keep your US banks, and continue to use ATMs. Colombian banks suck the big one.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]Getting ready to pull the plug on the USA. Thinking of moving to Colombia.
I need some info on getting my pension and social security checks in Colombia, Right now I have direct deposit on both and when I travel I use ATMs with no problems. Also I hear you are only allowed 6 months a year in country. Is that true?
Either a PM, a post or web sites would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance, Vic[/QUOTE]My recommendation is to keep your checks being deposited in the U.S. bank and withdraw from an ATM in Colombia,just make sure you have a card that has little or no fees like Capital One.The banking system in Colombia is terrible and until you get a cedula I don't think you can even open a bank account in Colombia.
Yes,you are only allowed a total of 180 days per year and when you enter Colombia your passport will be either stamped for 60 days or 30 days depending on the mood of the agent,almost always 60 though.You can have it extended to 90 days by paying a few bucks at the DAS office in Bogota,not sure if there are other ways to get an extension.
I am in the process of applying for an investors visa which is pretty simple but you have to invest $100,000.USD (I am buying a house) which will allow me to stay 5 years and then I can renew it.
I strongly recommend that before you "pull the plug" that you spend considerable time visiting Colombia for extended periods of time if possible to get to get a feel for the MAJOR cultural change you are going to have to deal with along with everything else.I am moving to a beautiful city in the coffee region,the people are wonderful,the city is beautiful as I said but make no mistake about it Colombia is a third world country and certainly has its issues no matter what part of the country you are in.As one of our fellow mongers wrote, "You're Not In Kansas Anymore".P.M. me if I can be of any help.
Good luck.
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[QUOTE=Manizales911]Yes,you are only allowed a total of 180 days per year and when you enter Colombia your passport will be either stamped for 60 days or 30 days depending on the mood of the agent,almost always 60 though.You can have it extended to 90 days by paying a few bucks at the DAS office in Bogota,not sure if there are other ways to get an extension.
I am in the process of applying for an investors visa which is pretty simple but you have to invest $100,000.USD (I am buying a house) which will allow me to stay 5 years and then I can renew it.[/QUOTE]Short of a VISA, there is no other way to get an extension.
The Investor VISA is issued for life.
You just need to get a new Cedula with an updated photo every 5 years.
I am being vetted for a job in Colombia. The company is located in Europe and the offer is very tempting. The job comes with an apartment and a car or car and driver. My question is how long is the process to get a permanent resident visa since this job will be a two year contract. I already have an idea of where I would like to love but wanted to know if there was a waiting time period for a person to be able to work in Colombia.
[QUOTE=Slyman]I am being vetted for a job in Colombia. The company is located in Europe and the offer is very tempting. The job comes with an apartment and a car or car and driver. My question is how long is the process to get a permanent resident visa since this job will be a two year contract. I already have an idea of where I would like to love but wanted to know if there was a waiting time period for a person to be able to work in Colombia.[/QUOTE]There are many routes to permanent residence. And things change on a regular basis. If you marry or have a common-law wife, permanent residence takes 3 years. If you hold a Rentista VISA, it takes 5 years plus you cannot have been out of the country for more than 2 months in any of those 5 years. With the Investor VISA, you get permanent residency now.
All VISAs are granted by MRE. How is your Spanish?
[url]http://www.cancilleria.gov.co/wps/portal[/url]
I'm curious why anyone would want a permanant visa. iiuc you're then liable for worldwide tax. With a non-res visa you've got 4(?) years tax free.
In a rush to pay tax?
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]I'm curious why anyone would want a permanant visa. iiuc you're then liable for worldwide tax. With a non-res visa you've got 4(?) years tax free.
In a rush to pay tax?[/QUOTE]That is a whole other issue. Most Colombians pay no income tax. That is why the VAT is so high and why there is an asset tax. You pay those taxes whether or not you are permanent.
I am not sure that permanency triggers any income tax. But then most Colombian accountants, lawyers, and government officials including DIAN agents do not know either.
Tom 33,
I read and write spanish, thanks for the link. Addicted to Women, thanks for the advice. The job might start in spring and I am just gathering some information.
[QUOTE=Slyman]I am being vetted for a job in Colombia. The company is located in Europe and the offer is very tempting. The job comes with an apartment and a car or car and driver. My question is how long is the process to get a permanent resident visa since this job will be a two year contract. I already have an idea of where I would like to love but wanted to know if there was a waiting time period for a person to be able to work in Colombia.[/QUOTE]I know where I'd like to love also.
I'd sugest you look at sites like Escape Artist and International Living.
These are geared speifically for Ex-Pats.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]I am not sure that permanency triggers any income tax. But then most Colombian accountants, lawyers, and government officials including DIAN agents do not know either.[/QUOTE]I'm not 100% sure either. As you intimate the folks who should know don't. But an internet search found two sources, one, iirc, by deloite, which stated that as a permanent resident, or after 4 years temporary residence, one becomes liable for tax on one's world-wide income.
What happens if you allow your temporary residence to lapse then start it again I have no idea.
Any information you've got I'd really appreciate a pointer to.
The moment you make money in Colombia you are liable to the DIAN regardless of immigration status, just like in the USA.
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]I'm not 100% sure either. As you intimate the folks who should know don't. But an internet search found two sources, one, iirc, by deloite, which stated that as a permanent resident, or after 4 years temporary residence, one becomes liable for tax on one's world-wide income.
What happens if you allow your temporary residence to lapse then start it again I have no idea.
Any information you've got I'd really appreciate a pointer to.[/QUOTE]In Colombia you have the law that is written and the law that is enforced. They are rarely the same. One example comes to mind: capital gains resulting from the sale of residential property. Very few Colombians report the real sale price. And attorneys and accountants are complicit in this under reporting.
I have been filing Colombian tax returns for maybe 5 years now. I just use a Colombian accountant and let him worry about the laws.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]The moment you make money in Colombia you are liable to the DIAN regardless of immigration status, just like in the USA.[/QUOTE]Probably.
But not as a foreign non-resident worker paid out of Colombia by a non-Colombian company (all of the previous may not be exactly required)
And not, I believe, as a "non-resident visitor" on monies earnt outside Colombia for the first 4 years.
As far as I can tell.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]The moment you make money in Colombia you are liable to the DIAN regardless of immigration status, just like in the USA.[/QUOTE]Correct, theoretically. But there are loopholes and lax enforcement.
The big question is Colombia's taxation of worldwide income. And there are some exemptions here as well, especially for unearned income.
Tom33,
What kind of visa do you hold?
Any info on Pensionado Visa holders, or income from disability payments?
Thanks,
KT
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Correct, theoretically. But there are loopholes and lax enforcement.
The big question is Colombia's taxation of worldwide income. And there are some exemptions here as well, especially for unearned income.[/QUOTE]Hi Tom,
Got any more information on this?
[QUOTE=Khun Talung]Tom33,
What kind of visa do you hold?
Any info on Pensionado Visa holders, or income from disability payments?
Thanks,
KT[/QUOTE]I hold a Family VISA.
I think that you can apply for and get a Pensionado VISA while you are in Colombia. It doesn't matter if your income is from a pension or disability. I know of people with an income as low as US$750 per month qualifying for this VISA. This VISA is issued for 1 year and can be renewed indefinitely.
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]Hi Tom,
Got any more information on this?[/QUOTE]First-do not rely on anything I say.
Second-use a good Colombian accountant.
I believe that some types of pension income including Social Security may be wholly or partially exempt.
Some kinds of passive income may be exempt under some circumstances.
I really don't want to write any more about things that may or may not be enforced.
Thanks for your input, Tom33, always concise and well considered.
I may be able to apply at the Colombian Embassy in Bangkok, if it's still operational. I live in Pattaya, and someone in Bangkok said they'd check for me. Failing that, I will apply at the Colombian Consulate in Atlanta, which I have been in contact with. I prefer to do as much as possible before I enter Colombia.
My question about disability payments had to do with the fact I get a disability pension from the VA, and Social Security disability insurance. I don't have to pay U. S. Tax on these, and I hope I won't have to pay Colombian tax.
Thanks again,
KT
I came across this, where the victim is taken around to empty their account;
[quote]THE RECENT TRAGEDY OF A YOUNG WOMAN BEING KIDNAPPED AND EVENTUALLY KILLED; AFTER SHE HAD REPEATEDLY GIVEN THE KIDNAPPER A WRONG PIN TO HER ATM CARD. IF SHE KNEW THE METHOD BELOW, SHE COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED. SO I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO20LET YOU KNOW.
IF YOU SHOULD EVER BE FORCED BY ROBBER TO WITHDRAW MONEY FROM AN ATM MACHINE, YOU CAN NOTIFY THE POLICE BY ENTERING YOUR PIN # IN REVERSE.
FOR EXAMPLE IF YOUR PIN NUMBER IS 1234 THEN YOU WOULD PUT IN 4321.
THE ATM RECOGNIZES THAT YOUR PIN NUMBER IS BACKWARDS FROM THE ATM CARD YOU PLACED IN THE MACHINE. THE MACHINE WILL STILL GIVE YOU THE MONEY YOU REQUESTED, BUT UNKNOWN TO THE ROBBER, THE POLICE WILL BE IMMEDIATELY DISPATCHED TO HELP YOU.
THIS INFORMATION WAS RECENTLY BROADCASTED ON FOX TV AND IT STATES THAT IT IS SELDOM USED BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IT EXISTS.
PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG. [/quote]You can go on snopes to verify.
KT
[QUOTE=Khun Talung]I came across this, where the victim is taken around to empty their account;
You can go on snopes to verify.
KT[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. However, it is not correct. If someone sticks a gun to your head and asks for your PIN, give it to them.
[QUOTE=Khun Talung]I came across this, where the victim is taken around to empty their account;
You can go on snopes to verify.
KT[/QUOTE]Check it out, it is false.
[url]http://snopes.com/business/bank/pinalert.asp[/url]
What if your pin is 1221?
[QUOTE=Khun Talung]I came across this, where the victim is taken around to empty their account;
You can go on snopes to verify.
KT[/QUOTE]Bah Ha Ha, you had me going until you wrote that it "was reported on FOX news"
I got the message, it sounded good, I forwarded and posted it and went to dinner. When I returned and checked my mail I found out it was erroneous. With the admin delay on this section, I was unable to delete it, and now it's too late. It sounded good, I imagine it could be done with existing technology. That being the case, why hasn't it been done? Of course, while you might get a response from the Police in the USA Or Europe, your chances in a turd world country are slim.
KT
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Thanks for the info. However, it is not correct. If someone sticks a gun to your head and asks for your PIN, give it to them.[/QUOTE]I'm making my first trip tomorrow for a week, and frankly, I'd rather be going to Medellin than Baltimore, DC, Detroit, L. A. , NYC, and for fucks sake, Jackson MS at night. I'm not saying it's totally safe there, but from the travel alerts, combined with smart and alert travel practices, I'm convinced it's perfectly fine to go. Just to be sure though, some of you dumbasses are spreading enough negativity that I'm sure my trip will be unnecessarily less enjoyable because of the unwarranted fear.
First of all, I'd like to see a poll of the mongers on this board that have been mugged, had a gun to their head, or kidnapped, or know a wingman that had the same happen. I'm not a betting man, but I'll bet you that out of the 1000's that go, the number is so low if any at all, the "on gringo" crime would be like crime in Mayberry.
[QUOTE=Devoman]What if your pin is 1221?[/QUOTE]Change it!
Does anyone have experience with importing a cargo container of household goods into Colombia? None of the items would be new. Just the usual clothes, furniture, appliances, electronics. Import taxes, bribes, theft, damage? Is there any one time exemption for house hold goods?
Thanks,
KT
[QUOTE=Bobsthrobbinknob]I'm making my first trip tomorrow for a week, and frankly, I'd rather be going to Medellin than Baltimore, DC, Detroit, L. A. , NYC, and for fucks sake, Jackson MS at night. I'm not saying it's totally safe there, but from the travel alerts, combined with smart and alert travel practices, I'm convinced it's perfectly fine to go. Just to be sure though, some of you dumbasses are spreading enough negativity that I'm sure my trip will be unnecessarily less enjoyable because of the unwarranted fear.
First of all, I'd like to see a poll of the mongers on this board that have been mugged, had a gun to their head, or kidnapped, or know a wingman that had the same happen. I'm not a betting man, but I'll bet you that out of the 1000's that go, the number is so low if any at all, the "on gringo" crime would be like crime in Mayberry.[/QUOTE]I have lived in Cartagena for 4 years and Medellín for 2 years. You are dead wrong. Good thing that you are not a betting man.
Colombia poses a much different set of problems than any you will experience in the US. I have a friend sleeping right now in my guest bedroom who had a gun to his head in Envigado, a ritzy suburb of Medellín, a few months ago during a home invasion. He gave them his PIN and lived to tell about it.
I could tell you about another friend who was kidnapped coming in from the Rionegro (Medellín) airport at gunpoint. And I could tell you many other stories about crimes committed against people I know.
I suggest that you take very seriously the warnings about Colombia. But that does not mean that you cannot come here and enjoy yourself. The tourist zone in Cartagena is the safest area in all of Colombia. I would suggest that newbies go there first. After getting your feet wet in CTG, you could branch out to Medellín, Barranquilla, Bucaramanga, or Bogotá. Only after getting to know the lay of the land, should you go anywhere else in Colombia. Fly between cities.
These are only some very short suggestions, and there are some exceptions. I have certainly not covered all the bases.
Fear just might keep you on your toes. It is not a bad thing.
[QUOTE=Bobsthrobbinknob]I'm making my first trip tomorrow for a week, and frankly, I'd rather be going to Medellin than Baltimore, DC, Detroit, L. A. , NYC, and for fucks sake, Jackson MS at night. I'm not saying it's totally safe there, but from the travel alerts, combined with smart and alert travel practices, I'm convinced it's perfectly fine to go. Just to be sure though, some of you dumbasses are spreading enough negativity that I'm sure my trip will be unnecessarily less enjoyable because of the unwarranted fear.
First of all, I'd like to see a poll of the mongers on this board that have been mugged, had a gun to their head, or kidnapped, or know a wingman that had the same happen. I'm not a betting man, but I'll bet you that out of the 1000's that go, the number is so low if any at all, the "on gringo" crime would be like crime in Mayberry.[/QUOTE]You couldn't be more wrong my friend and if you go to Colombia with the mindset that you are safer there than the USA You could find yourself in BIG trouble. Yes, there are many cities in the USA That have a lot of crime but the percentage of poor, desperate people in almost any city in South or Latin America is much higher than ANY city in the USA And that is what makes traveling to these places inherently more dangerous. I live part time in Manizales which is the "Mayberry" of Colombia and last month my novia's brother and four friends got robbed by nine guys in broad daylight near the Parque Plaza which is an upscale mall and she got pickpocketed two days later while we were in the same mall with me standing right beside her.
It has been said many times on this board, "this ain't f**king Kansas". Us "dumbasses" are just trying to protect your dumb ass.
I do hope you enjoy your trip, just be careful.
[QUOTE=Bobsthrobbinknob]I'm making my first trip tomorrow for a week, and frankly, I'd rather be going to Medellin than Baltimore, DC, Detroit, L. A. , NYC, and for fucks sake, Jackson MS at night. I'm not saying it's totally safe there, but from the travel alerts, combined with smart and alert travel practices, I'm convinced it's perfectly fine to go. Just to be sure though, some of you dumbasses are spreading enough negativity that I'm sure my trip will be unnecessarily less enjoyable because of the unwarranted fear.
First of all, I'd like to see a poll of the mongers on this board that have been mugged, had a gun to their head, or kidnapped, or know a wingman that had the same happen. I'm not a betting man, but I'll bet you that out of the 1000's that go, the number is so low if any at all, the "on gringo" crime would be like crime in Mayberry.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your kind words, and I highly suggest you just keep thinking this way. Also make sure you where nice watches, gold chains, diamond rings, and show the attitude you are in your post. I am sure you will be just fine.
[QUOTE=Bobsthrobbinknob]I'm making my first trip tomorrow for a week, and frankly, I'd rather be going to Medellin than Baltimore, DC, Detroit, L. A. , NYC, and for fucks sake, Jackson MS at night. I'm not saying it's totally safe there, but from the travel alerts, combined with smart and alert travel practices, I'm convinced it's perfectly fine to go. Just to be sure though, some of you dumbasses are spreading enough negativity that I'm sure my trip will be unnecessarily less enjoyable because of the unwarranted fear.
First of all, I'd like to see a poll of the mongers on this board that have been mugged, had a gun to their head, or kidnapped, or know a wingman that had the same happen. I'm not a betting man, but I'll bet you that out of the 1000's that go, the number is so low if any at all, the "on gringo" crime would be like crime in Mayberry.[/QUOTE]Bob, the "Crime In Colombia" thread is the appropriate place for this discussion.
I know a Gringo that was murdered in Colombia. I bet many others here knew Robert Vignola.
I know Gringos that have been mugged and had guns to their heads in Colombia. I also witnessed an armed robbery at a restaurant I was eating at in Colombia.
You certainly are very opinionated for somebody that has never set foot in Colombia. Have fun, Bob.
[QUOTE=Client 9]Bob, the "Crime In Colombia" thread is the appropriate place for this discussion.
I know a Gringo that was murdered in Colombia. I bet many others here knew Robert Vignola.
I know Gringos that have been mugged and had guns to their heads in Colombia. I also witnessed an armed robbery at a restaurant I was eating at in Colombia.
You certainly are very opinionated for somebody that has never set foot in Colombia. Have fun, Bob.[/QUOTE]He's a troll. Ignore him.
I had to look up RV. Doesn't come across as the cleanest player:
[url]http://hhs1973.com/images/obit2_marshall-vignola.htm[/url]
I've been to Medellin four times, and, fortunately, have never seen or
experienced any crime, and have walked around most of the city during the day. Having said that, I don't walk anywhere at night, with the exception around Parque LLeras, and do not wear any jewellery, and only basic jeans and T-shirts. One should never forget for a minute that Medellin was once the crime capital of the world, and while it is a lot safer, stuff can still happen, so always take care when travelling (which is true anywhere)
Wake up there is more crime at Home.
Colombia is like going to Church. Give a few bucks to help the needy.
Come to California, Arizona and Texas. Lots more crime along the Open Border.
Found out that you can get a VAT refund. Go to the DIAN office at the airport and they will give you a form (in English). It takes a few minutes to fill out and make copies of receipts. I'd recommend getting the form when you arrive or a few days before you leave. Then you can fill out the form on your own and make copies of your receipts.
They will ONLY refund CREDIT CARD purchases. They will NOT refund cash purchases. They send the refund to your Credit Card and it takes about 3 months to get there. You will need your Credit Card receipts and your sales receipts. Your minimum purchases need to be equivalent to about $1, 000 US (before VAT) and I can't remember the max. IIRC the items needed to be purchased within the last 60 days.
At the DIAN office and on the back of the form, is a list of things that are IVA refundable. Clothing, shoes, perfumes, leather goods, CDs, crafts, liquor, food for human consumption, toys, jewelry and Colombian emeralds.
I'm planning a short trip to Bogota on March 16-19. In finding a place to stay, I've narrowed it down to (1) Hotel VIP and (2) [url]www.suitesreal.com/85[/url].
I understand that Hotel VIP is obviously chica-friendly, but do Suites Real 85 charge a fee if you bring back a guest?
In addition, would there be any preference as to location? I can always take taxis and safety of location is a big factor.
Thanks for your help.
[QUOTE=Sucio]Found out that you can get a VAT refund. Go to the DIAN office at the airport and they will give you a form (in English). It takes a few minutes to fill out and make copies of receipts. I'd recommend getting the form when you arrive or a few days before you leave. Then you can fill out the form on your own and make copies of your receipts.
They will ONLY refund CREDIT CARD purchases. They will NOT refund cash purchases. They send the refund to your Credit Card and it takes about 3 months to get there. You will need your Credit Card receipts and your sales receipts. Your minimum purchases need to be equivalent to about $1, 000 US (before VAT) and I can't remember the max. IIRC the items needed to be purchased within the last 60 days.
At the DIAN office and on the back of the form, is a list of things that are IVA refundable. Clothing, shoes, perfumes, leather goods, CDs, crafts, liquor, food for human consumption, toys, jewelry and Colombian emeralds.[/QUOTE]Yes, this is correct.
However, my guess is that you would have a better chance of having your credit card information stolen by someone in the DIAN office than getting any refund.
I've had the good fortune now of living in Colombia for 3 years. Medellin is a wonderful city, friendly people, and if I never set foot in the US again, I can care less. Don't misunderstand me, I do wish the US all the luck in the world! I'm just happy in Colombia!
Last weekend the Mrs and I decided to drive over to Sante Fe for the weekend. Santa Fe unlike Medellin is a tropical environment and we just wanted to stretch out by a good pool and soak up some good, hot sun for the whole weekend.
We stayed at a very nice hotel about a mile east of Santa Fe. Sunday morning about 4:30am the Mrs turned on the room light and started to walk out on the balcony. The instant she slid open the door about 150 bees flew into the room. She was stung twice on her right hand, and I was stung once on my stomach. Needless to say we got the hell out of there in a hurry!
We checked into a different room and the hotel people retrieved our things from the infested room.
Again, Medellin is not a tropical environment. Though our place is air conditioned, it hasn't been turned on in 2 years. Yes, we occasionally sleep at night with a window open and have experienced no bug problems.
I guess I am just saying, be careful as there are hidden dangers!
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Mrs? Uh-oh. Please don't tell me that you.
For those of us that can read Spanish, there is a useful site dedicated to the scene in Lima. The site is PeruTops.com.
[url]http://perutops.com/foro-relax/index.php[/url]
Are there similar sites for any of the major cities of Colombia?
Anyone have advice on the best car rental in Medellin?
[QUOTE=Client 9]For those of us that can read Spanish, there is a useful site dedicated to the scene in Lima. The site is PeruTops.com.
[url]http://perutops.com/foro-relax/index.php[/url]
Are there similar sites for any of the major cities of Colombia?[/QUOTE]They also have an English section!
[QUOTE=Legal Tender]Anyone have advice on the best car rental in Medellin?[/QUOTE]Yes, don't rent any car. Taxis and buses are cheap and plentiful.
Traffic is horrendous, and the rules of the road are much different here.
I own 3 vehicles here and do not drive any of them.
Hello, to all
It's my first post
I am newbiz, I have been to Thailand many time, and Brazil (Fortaleza) 3 time, I am now want to try Colombia, I see many post talk about 200. 000 to 350. 000 kop for tdn, it's really the right price for chicas, in brazil (fortaleza) I paid 100 reais (about 45 box), I am really want to try Colombia, even I will try to get non-pros LOL if I have to pay 100 or 150 box for chica. Impossible for me.
I am young (27yo) not so rich LOL, so please can you give me informations about:
Can I find cheap place in Bogota, medelin, Cali and carthagena safety and near action?
In general, what the right price for a freelance?
Thanks
I am wondering. I met some girls that work at that LAI agency in Bogota. Anyone already familar with them. A Claudia, Sandra, another Sandra, and a Silvia. Anyone already know these girls?
Any one want to meet and monger around and see the good places and clubs together I am a man and seeking girls in south america. Looking for a buddy to explore the clubs and what not together. I am american. E-mail me and I will have a local number by March 24th [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]
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Hi guys,
I hope this is the right place to put this.
I'd love to play some golf and have had a hard time finding course lists on line so If any of you local guys could put me in the right direction I'd sure would be greatful. Maybe we could play 18 or 9.
I'm not that good, I shoot 90-100 but I love the game and would love to play in South America.
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Postitnoter]I am wondering. I met some girls that work at that LAI agency in Bogota. Anyone already familar with them. A Claudia, Sandra, another Sandra, and a Silvia. Anyone already know these girls?[/QUOTE]I'd like to know more about this agency. What do they offer and is the girls quality? Any experiences to report of anyone?
Rodeo
Just a general thanks to all who have assisted in this journey. I just spent the last 85 days in Colombia and I am moving west to Peru again and maybe Ecuador and south and then west to Brazil.
GFE with (non pros) vs pay for play for me. 50 yr old, bald, in shape that speaks intermediate spanish. Mind you, you always tip, at least the local rates for short term for the girls and gifts/tips for their kids as they earn them.
Barranquilla, plenty of GFE, acceptable level of P4P
Bogota, plenty of GFE, lots of P4P
Bucaramanga, mini GFE and acceptable level of P4P
Cali, plenty GFE and plenty of P4P
Medellin, almost 0 GFE and as much P4P that any human man could desire.
Any trip report will fill in the details as far as the weather and the cost. I love Colombia. The women want to be women and they want the man to be a man.
YMMV,
Ciao
[QUOTE=Jesi James]Medellin, almost 0 GFE and as much P4P that any human man could desire.[/QUOTE]See you were as impressed with Medellin as I was.
I am considering moving down to Medellin (probably the poblado area) for a period of several months. Does anybody know of a good lap swimming pool (25 meters or longer) that you could join for swim workouts.
Thank you for the help.
i'll be travelling to medellin in may and want to make sure i bring the proper music with me. music that will help take their clothes off that is! i went to cartagena before and regretted not being able to provide proper music when ask for. you can actually see the disapointment in their eyes! i'm sure this will not only benefit me, but lots of other fellow mongers out there.
i'll be honest and say i am not very up to speed on the music scene. i've heard that these girls like hip-hop and regaton type music? if possible, can someone provide specifics and recommendations? i'm going to bring a small ipod music stand with me to play from my room at the medellin mansion.
wherever you live, begin to listen to the hippest latino station in town, and find out the title of the songs that they play, which will probably be a mixture of latin pop (enrique igelsias, mana, thalia, belanova, gloria trevi, ivy queen, monchy & alexandra, etc), reggaeton (wisin & yandel, rakim & ken y, angel y kris, don omar, calle 13, etc), bachata (aventure, xtreme, etc), salsa (good ol' marc anthony, etc) and other popular forms. to have the latest music is always a good thing, the chicas are often surprised that you're up on the latest stuff, and it is sorta like a form of respect. you can find most of the songs played on the radio if you go to itunes or amazon, except for the absolute most recent stuff. surprisingly you'll find each country has its own set of hits, and many of them seem antiquated.
i make 2 playlists, one with dance and fast beats for dancing and setting a wild mood, and slower beats and love songs for the horizontal dancing in la cama. i now have more music than i know what to do with, and some chicas have asked me to burn them cds.
try to get as many genres as possible to satisfy a large variety of tastes. if you give them something they like, it can really enhance the connection, be it for a short time or long time. the chicas feel like you have a shared interest and are familiar with latin culture - it's another extension of learning spanish to communicate better, imo.
also pickup some good electronica and trance music, some hip-hop, etc from the states, i'm surprised by the # of requests for trance music. also some of the more traditional singers can be useful (ricardo montaner, luis fonsi,carlos ponce, luis miguel and a whole lot more). don't forget shakira and juanes, colombia natives.
now if i could just find the time for salsa lessons.
[quote=junkyard]i'll be honest and say i am not very up to speed on the music scene. i've heard that these girls like hip-hop and regaton type music? if possible, can someone provide specifics and recommendations? i'm going to bring a small ipod music stand with me to play from my room at the medellin mansion.[/quote]
[quote=junkyard]i'll be travelling to medellin in may and want to make sure i bring the proper music with me. music that will help take their clothes off that is! i went to cartagena before and regretted not being able to provide proper music when ask for. you can actually see the disapointment in their eyes! i'm sure this will not only benefit me, but lots of other fellow mongers out there.
i'll be honest and say i am not very up to speed on the music scene. i've heard that these girls like hip-hop and regaton type music? if possible, can someone provide specifics and recommendations? i'm going to bring a small ipod music stand with me to play from my room at the medellin mansion.[/quote]there's real diversity in the musical taste of colombians. many who like valleneto will hate salsa and vice-versa. likewise rockeros and regaton fans. you have to have merrengue in too as well as western disco/pop.
i suggest doing to a street vendor and picking up a few "mas bailables del año" making sure you've got the bases ticked. about 2k a disk, iirc.
when i go i live the beatles, the who, etc and on my last visit i met a young'un who love the same.
for the most part i find most like bahata and reggeton but to my surprise the oldy queens is really popular amoungst the younger crowd. mostly i stick to my own music and leave myself open if they should choice to listen to something else.
mike
[quote=junkyard]i'll be travelling to medellin in may and want to make sure i bring the proper music with me. music that will help take their clothes off that is! i went to cartagena before and regretted not being able to provide proper music when ask for. you can actually see the disapointment in their eyes! i'm sure this will not only benefit me, but lots of other fellow mongers out there.
i'll be honest and say i am not very up to speed on the music scene. i've heard that these girls like hip-hop and regaton type music? if possible, can someone provide specifics and recommendations? i'm going to bring a small ipod music stand with me to play from my room at the medellin mansion.[/quote]
I will be in Medellin during the fashion week. Does anyone have a trip report that's been down there previous years doing that time. Just trying to see what to expect.
[QUOTE=Sean Tdw]I will be in Medellin during the fashion week. Does anyone have a trip report that's been down there previous years doing that time. Just trying to see what to expect.[/QUOTE]When is fashion week?
The question about using illegal drugs is often taboo in many social circles. It is kind of like partaking in the hobby. You are very careful who you share that info with.
At the risk of being judged by others, I like to smoke me some weed, particularly when I'm dong some fucking. I am planning a trip to Medellin and I am curious what the views are, and the accessibly of recreational drugs. I would NEVER, and I mean NEVER, bring drugs into the country. But one report said it was easy to get smoke at the local college campus. I want to have an understanding about what the risks are associating with doing this.
I generally smoke weed and drink alcohol. I hang out with very smart, successful, responsible, and productive people who do the same. But in very special circumstances, I am open to exploring other things. Not sure how this perspective is viewed, from both a personal choice perspective as well as legal perspective. I'm going on vacation to explore new and fun things, so I am trying to take the cultural temperature on this topic. It has not been really explored here on these boards. I don't expect people to reveal any private stories or implicate themselves with illegal activity in any way.
Any and all objective, non-judgmental perspectives would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for your time.
Steve
PS: I always contribute on public boards, about my mongering experiences. I have never been to Medellin, but if anyone has any questions about New York or Montreal, I have plenty of info to offer. Peace!
I want to put yourself in very hard posotion in Medellin if they catch you have to do hard time in a colombian prison. Colombian laws are very tought don't put yourself in this position even if they offer me any drugs I wouldn't no take it.
Just my 2 cents
[QUOTE=Johny 99]The question about using illegal drugs is often taboo in many social circles. It is kind of like partaking in the hobby. You are very careful who you share that info with.
At the risk of being judged by others, I like to smoke me some weed, particularly when I'm dong some fucking. I am planning a trip to Medellin and I am curious what the views are, and the accessibly of recreational drugs. I would NEVER, and I mean NEVER, bring drugs into the country. But one report said it was easy to get smoke at the local college campus. I want to have an understanding about what the risks are associating with doing this.
I generally smoke weed and drink alcohol. I hang out with very smart, successful, responsible, and productive people who do the same. But in very special circumstances, I am open to exploring other things. Not sure how this perspective is viewed, from both a personal choice perspective as well as legal perspective. I'm going on vacation to explore new and fun things, so I am trying to take the cultural temperature on this topic. It has not been really explored here on these boards. I don't expect people to reveal any private stories or implicate themselves with illegal activity in any way.
Any and all objective, non-judgmental perspectives would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for your time.
Steve
PS: I always contribute on public boards, about my mongering experiences. I have never been to Medellin, but if anyone has any questions about New York or Montreal, I have plenty of info to offer. Peace![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Johny 99]The question about using illegal drugs is often taboo in many social circles. It is kind of like partaking in the hobby. You are very careful who you share that info with.
At the risk of being judged by others, I like to smoke me some weed, particularly when I'm dong some fucking. I am planning a trip to Medellin and I am curious what the views are, and the accessibly of recreational drugs. I would NEVER, and I mean NEVER, bring drugs into the country. But one report said it was easy to get smoke at the local college campus. I want to have an understanding about what the risks are associating with doing this.
I generally smoke weed and drink alcohol. I hang out with very smart, successful, responsible, and productive people who do the same. But in very special circumstances, I am open to exploring other things. Not sure how this perspective is viewed, from both a personal choice perspective as well as legal perspective. I'm going on vacation to explore new and fun things, so I am trying to take the cultural temperature on this topic. It has not been really explored here on these boards. I don't expect people to reveal any private stories or implicate themselves with illegal activity in any way.
Any and all objective, non-judgmental perspectives would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for your time.
Steve
PS: I always contribute on public boards, about my mongering experiences. I have never been to Medellin, but if anyone has any questions about New York or Montreal, I have plenty of info to offer. Peace! [/QUOTE]Colombian cocaine funds the FARC terrorists. Period! The same ones that kidnap people and blow shit up all the time. Other insurgencies over time have been funded by outside countries' support, but the FARC has avoided needing outside financial support for one reason and one reason only: cocaine. Not to mention the impact the shit has in our own country. I'm by no means a pillar of morality or anything, as evident by my habit associated with this forum. Make your own decisions of course and, not to judge you personally, but, in my opinion. That's pretty fucked up! Mods, I thought seeking drugs and talk of drug use was prohibited on this forum.
Rodeo
[QUOTE=Rodeo9112]Colombian cocaine funds the FARC terrorists. Period! The same ones that kidnap people and blow shit up all the time. Other insurgencies over time have been funded by outside countries' support, but the FARC has avoided needing outside financial support for one reason and one reason only: cocaine. Not to mention the impact the shit has in our own country. I'm by no means a pillar of morality or anything, as evident by my habit associated with this forum. Make your own decisions of course and, not to judge you personally, but, in my opinion. That's pretty fucked up! Mods, I thought seeking drugs and talk of drug use was prohibited on this forum.
Rodeo[/QUOTE]I believe the guy was talkin about smoking a little weed, not throwing a coke party and supporting the FARC.
As this is the GeneralInfo thread, I have a non-sexual question. I'm in Europe now and would like to know with how many litres of alcholic drinks like whiskey or cognac one can enter Colombia without any problem.
[QUOTE=Ricker]I believe the guy was talkin about smoking a little weed, not throwing a coke party and supporting the FARC.[/QUOTE]Fair enough and you're absolutely right. My apologies to Johny. I was watching one of those shows about strung out junkies and I guess I misread his post and thought he was talking about coke. I'm not a preacher or anything, just feeling exceptional anti-drugs at the moment I guess.
Rodeo
If you want to see the effects of a little recreational drug use that doesn't hurt anyone go to Juarez across from El Paso. Or you can go see the empty shops at Nuevo Laredo because the violence scared away all the day trippers.
I used to smoke me a little weed but Mexico is where 80% of it comes from and those guys are killing each other and anyone who happens to be in there way so we can have us a little weed for recreational use. I'm saying this and ain't no one here enjoyed waking and baking more than I did.
Solution: if you want it, get the government to let us grow our own for personal use. That would make it about a victimless as it gets.
Also, I agree with Rodeo on the coke that he summed up so succinctly.
Where would you guys recommend as the destination for a first timer? I am considering the Dominican Republic, Philippines, Colombia, Peru, and Mexico. I am primary looking for the non pro ladies. I am 40, average looking, and my spanish is ok.
[QUOTE=Zeekthefreak]Where would you guys recommend as the destination for a first timer? I am considering the Dominican Republic, Philippines, Colombia, Peru, and Mexico. I am primary looking for the non pro ladies. I am 40, average looking, and my spanish is ok.[/QUOTE]For non pro's in the spots you are looking at IMHO I would think the Philippines would be a sure bet. Plenty of girls looking to move up in the world. The thing for me would be that the Latin Girls are better looking so it really boils down to what type are you looking for since all these spots have what you need.
If it makes it to Bogotá it'll spread like wild fire.
Anyone know if Tamiflu or Relenza are available here, and how to tell if its genuine?
And does this mean that we should be moderating our habits?
Johny, Possession of small quantities of marijuana, cocaine, etc. is legal and they're cheap and readily available, although Uribe's been trying to change that for years:
[url]http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/the-americas/090401/colombia-another-sort-drug-debate[/url]
Personally I don't do illegal drugs for health reasons, and because they're, well, illegal. Other people on this board who live in Colombia and know far more about the country than I do advise against buying drugs there. Even though possession may be legal, you're opening yourself up to extortion from the police.
There's an interesting passage in the book Dangerous Places where the writer, Robert Pelton Young, is visiting with a local jefe in his hotel room in San Andres. Young is dating the guy's daughter, and he remarks how dashing the older man looks while he's pissing into his bathroom sink while combing his hair. Then he goes on to say the old man makes a living by getting his employees to sell drugs to tourists. He doesn't really make any money off of selling drugs, but he has a deal with the local police where they bust the tourists later and then split the profits. This is the kind of thing that I'd be afraid of if I were in your shoes. I don't think you'd go to jail, but you may pay a pretty penny to stay out of jail.
[QUOTE=Tiny 12]Johny, Possession of small quantities of marijuana, cocaine, etc. is legal and they're cheap and readily available, although Uribe's been trying to change that for years:
[url]http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/the-americas/090401/colombia-another-sort-drug-debate[/url]
Personally I don't do illegal drugs for health reasons, and because they're, well, illegal. Other people on this board who live in Colombia and know far more about the country than I do advise against buying drugs there. Even though possession may be legal, you're opening yourself up to extortion from the police.
There's an interesting passage in the book Dangerous Places where the writer, Robert Pelton Young, is visiting with a local jefe in his hotel room in San Andres. Young is dating the guy's daughter, and he remarks how dashing the older man looks while he's pissing into his bathroom sink while combing his hair. Then he goes on to say the old man makes a living by getting his employees to sell drugs to tourists. He doesn't really make any money off of selling drugs, but he has a deal with the local police where they bust the tourists later and then split the profits. This is the kind of thing that I'd be afraid of if I were in your shoes. I don't think you'd go to jail, but you may pay a pretty penny to stay out of jail.[/QUOTE]I have heard from many different people that small amounts of pot are legal in Colombia. In your post you say it is legal. I have also heard about the police doing the extortion thing. If it is legal how could you go to jail? Why should you pay to stay out of jail?
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]I have heard from many different people that small amounts of pot are legal in Colombia. In your post you say it is legal. I have also heard about the police doing the extortion thing. If it is legal how could you go to jail? Why should you pay to stay out of jail?[/QUOTE]Vic,
Unfortunately what he says is very true. Anytime you do drugs you take the risk of dealing with authorities. Jamaica falls into the same category. Meaning it's all over the place and everybody is doing it but it isn't legal.
New york was like that in the 70's. If a cop saw you smoking you would put it behind your back out of respect. When I was 13 yrs old a cop put a nickel bag back into my pocket and told me to scram. These days are different.
Weed is all over Medellin. You will see people smoking it everywhere but they are colombian and we aren't! I went through this conversation many times with locals and they all advised me to stay away from it.
The only place that tolerates it is on the campus of universidad de antioquia. They have a zona libre on the soccer field where it is sold and smoked openly. ONLY because police are not permited (something like that) to come onto the campus. They can however meet you outside.
Mexico is also very similar. It's all over but very illegal. The only haven is amsterdam but the euro keeps me away. Thats really about it. As a gringo you are bribe money if you get caught.
Maybe one day the world will wake up.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]I have heard from many different people that small amounts of pot are legal in Colombia. In your post you say it is legal. I have also heard about the police doing the extortion thing. If it is legal how could you go to jail? Why should you pay to stay out of jail?[/QUOTE]Because "This Ain't Kansas" and the cops do what they want, with whom they want, whenever they want.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]I have heard from many different people that small amounts of pot are legal in Colombia. In your post you say it is legal. I have also heard about the police doing the extortion thing. If it is legal how could you go to jail? Why should you pay to stay out of jail?[/QUOTE]You pay to avoid the hassle. I haven't touched drugs or alcohol for 25 years and do nothing illegal, but I have paid as well.
This is Colombia, not Kansas.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]I have heard from many different people that small amounts of pot are legal in Colombia. In your post you say it is legal. I have also heard about the police doing the extortion thing. If it is legal how could you go to jail? Why should you pay to stay out of jail?[/QUOTE]You'll only be there whilst they investigate.
Have you seen how slowly an investigation can proceed whilst someone's waiting for a backhander? Have you seen the inside of a Colombian jail? See that big guy over there? He'll be your friend.
You're either a troll or totally naive.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]I have heard from many different people that small amounts of pot are legal in Colombia. In your post you say it is legal. I have also heard about the police doing the extortion thing. If it is legal how could you go to jail? Why should you pay to stay out of jail? [/QUOTE]Vic, Again, I'd defer to people like Tom 33 that actually live in Colombia. But I believe the risk is that they accuse you of selling or trafficking or maybe, say, having 30 or 40 grams of marijuana when you only had 15 grams. (Twenty grams is the limit.) Some opportunistic policeman may see an opportunity to make a buck, and you don't know whether he's bluffing.
An example, I was pulled over for "drunk driving" in Mexico when all I had was one beer an hour or two before he pulled me over. I could have gone in and taken a blood test. The cop told me if I failed I'd be in jail for several days, but he was sure I wouldn't fail, because obviously I was sober. What goes through my mind.- are they going to doctor up the blood test? And is it really worth it to take several hours to go down to the station and get tested when I can just pay him $50?
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]
You're either a troll or totally naive.[/QUOTE]Vic is a cool guy I've met him. I was hearing conflicting views from different people as well. It depends on who you talk to.
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]You'll only be there whilst they investigate.
Have you seen how slowly an investigation can proceed whilst someone's waiting for a backhander? Have you seen the inside of a Colombian jail? See that big guy over there? He'll be your friend.
You're either a troll or totally naive.[/QUOTE]I worked in a State Prison as a Sgt. for many years.
Who do you think you are calling me names when I ask a question that seemed to interest quite a few people.
Excuse me but you guys are absolutely dead WRONG. Possession of up to 20 grams of weed is PERFECTLY LEGAL here. This is not Mexico, nor is it NYC. There is a law on the books called "la dosis personal".
However, smoking in front of a cop isn't a good idea here because if the cop is an asshole he or she can take you to the station and hold you for up to 24 hours, and they have been known to do this on occasion. They can NOT throw you in jail or fine you, but they can and sometimes will hold you for 24 hours just to fuck with you, since this is all they are legally allowed to do.
Even worse, if you get on the local cops' radar they will be on you like white on rice spying on you, which is a big deal for those of us who live here of course. This is the same for Colombians and gringos alike.
Those are the cold facts on drugs in Colombia.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Excuse me but you guys are absolutely dead WRONG. Possession of up to 20 grams of weed is PERFECTLY LEGAL here. This is not Mexico, nor is it NYC. There is a law on the books called "la dosis personal".
However, smoking in front of a cop isn't a good idea here because if the cop is an asshole he or she can take you to the station and hold you for up to 24 hours, and they have been known to do this on occasion. They can NOT throw you in jail or fine you, but they can and sometimes will hold you for 24 hours just to fuck with you, since this is all they are legally allowed to do.
Even worse, if you get on the local cops' radar they will be on you like white on rice spying on you, which is a big deal for those of us who live here of course. This is the same for Colombians and gringos alike.
Those are the cold facts on drugs in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Bc,
If you live in Colombia then you know that it doesn't mean JACK SHIT what the law actually is. If a gringo is seen smoking weed or otherwise caught with a little weed it gives the cops an opportunity to shake him down for some pesos. If you have good command of spanish and have the balls to tell him to f**k off and are willing to spend 24 hours (I'm NOT) in a Colombian jail then knock yourself out. I love to smoke me a little weed once in a while but wouldn't even think of doing so anywhere outside of the USA. In my opinion its just not worth the risk or hassle.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Excuse me but you guys are absolutely dead WRONG. Possession of up to 20 grams of weed is PERFECTLY LEGAL here. This is not Mexico, nor is it NYC. There is a law on the books called "la dosis personal".
However, smoking in front of a cop isn't a good idea here because if the cop is an asshole he or she can take you to the station and hold you for up to 24 hours, and they have been known to do this on occasion. They can NOT throw you in jail or fine you, but they can and sometimes will hold you for 24 hours just to fuck with you, since this is all they are legally allowed to do.
Even worse, if you get on the local cops' radar they will be on you like white on rice spying on you, which is a big deal for those of us who live here of course. This is the same for Colombians and gringos alike.
Those are the cold facts on drugs in Colombia.[/QUOTE]I read your posts alot and I respect your opinions. However IMHO you are leading people in the wrong direction with this one.
I hung out with quite a few local stoners and they all "waffled" when answering the "is it legal" question.
It's around and available so have a good time but DON'T get caught would be better advice.
I want to thank everyone for their responses. From what I am gathering, it is not a super dangerous thing to get procure some smoke. (In the Midnight Express sort of way.) However, given the gringo factor, I would want to be extremely discreet and careful. I would not just go up to anyone on the street and ask for it. (If I cultivate a relationship with a local, maybe I can see if they could get me a small legal amount and I can throw them a few bucks for their time.) I would not carry any on me when I go out, etc.
You have fail to understand this issue, is not about been leagal or not. This is about when you cop police arrest you and take to jail, they own you for the rest of your sweet time in a colombian jail. You get charged as a gringo drug dealer, then you are in big trouble. My advise if someone offers you some don't take it. Don't used it. You have no rights in Colombia.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Excuse me but you guys are absolutely dead WRONG. Possession of up to 20 grams of weed is PERFECTLY LEGAL here. This is not Mexico, nor is it NYC. There is a law on the books called "la dosis personal".
However, smoking in front of a cop isn't a good idea here because if the cop is an asshole he or she can take you to the station and hold you for up to 24 hours, and they have been known to do this on occasion. They can NOT throw you in jail or fine you, but they can and sometimes will hold you for 24 hours just to fuck with you, since this is all they are legally allowed to do.
Even worse, if you get on the local cops' radar they will be on you like white on rice spying on you, which is a big deal for those of us who live here of course. This is the same for Colombians and gringos alike.
Those are the cold facts on drugs in Colombia.[/QUOTE]
I met a girl my last time in Colombia, and we hit it off. I am wondering if anyone has taken a girl from Colombia to Mexico. Specifically Cancun. Does anyone know what documents are required to enter Mexico. I am thinking a passport and one of the Mexican Tourist Visa that they pass out on the plane. However I am looking for real world experience.
Also how long does it take for a Colombian to get a passport?
Thanks for any help.
[quote=speedstick]i met a girl my last time in colombia, and we hit it off. i am wondering if anyone has taken a girl from colombia to mexico. specifically cancun. does anyone know what documents are required to enter mexico. i am thinking a passport and one of the mexican tourist visa that they pass out on the plane. however i am looking for real world experience.
also how long does it take for a colombian to get a passport?
thanks for any help.[/quote]go to the embassy of mexico website and clink the consular link. it will provide you with the tourist visa requirements for all countries. i would not wait until you arrive.
[quote=speedstick]i met a girl my last time in colombia, and we hit it off. i am wondering if anyone has taken a girl from colombia to mexico. specifically cancun. does anyone know what documents are required to enter mexico. i am thinking a passport and one of the mexican tourist visa that they pass out on the plane. however i am looking for real world experience.
also how long does it take for a colombian to get a passport?
thanks for any help.[/quote]if a colombiano has a cedula, the passport doesn't take long. if they do not, it can take as long as 2 years or more to get the cedula. a contraseña(the temporary id issued while the cedula is being processed) will not work to get a passport.
i think that colombianos need more than the tourist visa to enter mexico. there are very few countries that colombianos can visit without a formal visa.
[quote=speedstick]i met a girl my last time in colombia, and we hit it off. i am wondering if anyone has taken a girl from colombia to mexico. specifically cancun. does anyone know what documents are required to enter mexico. i am thinking a passport and one of the mexican tourist visa that they pass out on the plane. however i am looking for real world experience.also how long does it take for a colombian to get a passport?thanks for any help.[/quote]it might be not as easy as you think (especially if she doesn't have a regular job). she has to apply for a visa at the mexican embassy in colombia, and the requirements to get the visa vary according to your status (employed/unemployed etc.)
lets assume your chica has a job. in that case she'll need to produce various documents such as an employer's certificate, bank statements and a booking confirmation.
if she hasn't got a regular job, forget it.
Gringos get treated better by police than locals here. Speaking from personal experience. They will fine Colombians for things they let pass with gringos, one time they stopped a bunch of us and searched everybody EXCEPT me.
You are just absolutely wrong on this issue. And YES you DO have rights in Colombia, in fact there are more civil liberties here than the US. The Constitution here is taken VERY seriously. Stop posting misinformation.
I do recommend smoking or snorting or whatever you want to do in private, but that's neither here nor there. The fact is, unless the cops have something else to charge you with they HAVE to let you go after 24 hours, just like in the US. And it has happened to a couple friends, and they DID let them go after 24 hours, they had NO CHOICE.
[QUOTE=Daves Pison]You have fail to understand this issue, is not about been leagal or not. This is about when you cop police arrest you and take to jail, they own you for the rest of your sweet time in a colombian jail. You get charged as a gringo drug dealer, then you are in big trouble. My advise if someone offers you some don't take it. Don't used it. You have no rights in Colombia.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Gringos get treated better by police than locals here. Speaking from personal experience. They will fine Colombians for things they let pass with gringos, one time they stopped a bunch of us and searched everybody EXCEPT me.
You are just absolutely wrong on this issue. And YES you DO have rights in Colombia, in fact there are more civil liberties here than the US. The Constitution here is taken VERY seriously. Stop posting misinformation.
I do recommend smoking or snorting or whatever you want to do in private, but that's neither here nor there. The fact is, unless the cops have something else to charge you with they HAVE to let you go after 24 hours, just like in the US. And it has happened to a couple friends, and they DID let them go after 24 hours, they had NO CHOICE.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't risk spending 24 MINUTES let alone 24 hours in a Colombian jail just to smoke a little weed but thats just me, to each his own I guess.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]And YES you DO have rights in Colombia, in fact there are more civil liberties here than the US. The Constitution here is taken VERY seriously. Stop posting misinformation.[/QUOTE]Jajajajaja! A country with a dysfunctional legal system cannot take anything very seriously. Very few Colombians have any respect for any law. Why do you suppose that is?
Were your attackers taken care of by the law or by vigilantes? A country of vigilantism has no claim to any moral high ground.
So far in Colombia, I have discovered that I have the right to be fucked in the ass by several major corporations including Bancolombia, Coomeva, and Avianca without recourse. Where is this constitution?
Mongers,
I have found the Colombian police in Medellin to be very respectful towards me, and foreigners in general, much more so than police in other Latin American countries I have visited. This past Sunday, en route to Santa Fe de Antioquia, but still on the autopista in the city of Medellin, I was pulled over in my taxi by two police officers on a motorcycle. The had their guns drawn before they got off their motorcycles and pointed them at us and patted us down, and then, realizing we were gringos, asked if we were Colombians, realized they had the wrong people, got on their motorcycles and drove away just as fast as they pulled us over. My buddy in the back seat, a Colombia first-timer with no Spanish ability, almost crapped his pants.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
Tom, I think you've got your forums mixed up a little, neh? :P
Anyways, your experiences here in Colombia are valid, but so are mine. And I'm having the time of my life here, haven't been fucked in the ass once (although it has been proposed on a couple occasions). I also learned from problems people like you and others have had and REFUSE to get a Colombian bank account, this much is true.
But the fact is I have had many negative experiences in the US and Canada, mostly with banks, tax authorities and immigration. I immigrated legally to the US as I did here and ALWAYS pay and file my taxes and still had loads of problems. I guess maybe the US is a lot easier on people who are not immigrants perhaps.
But as far as civil liberties, that does not include the right to not be fucked in the ass. That's a whole separate issue. Colombia is a lot more dangerous and it's a lot easier to lose money here in many ways, but it's also a lot easier to not wind up in jail here. Just compare the incarceration rates of the two countries.
And the bottom line, la dosis personal is legal, remains legal. Smoking in public is not a good idea for many reasons, but that's also a separate issue.
Has anyone heard of a case by the name of Noche New York anywhere in Colombia.
Thanks,
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[QUOTE=Tom 33]Jajajajaja! A country with a dysfunctional legal system cannot take anything very seriously. Very few Colombians have any respect for any law. Why do you suppose that is?
Were your attackers taken care of by the law or by vigilantes? A country of vigilantism has no claim to any moral high ground.
So far in Colombia, I have discovered that I have the right to be fucked in the ass by several major corporations including Bancolombia, Coomeva, and Avianca without recourse. Where is this constitution?[/QUOTE]Tom,
Please stop providing accurate info.
Your realism upsets the Colombia apologists.
Police in Medellin are nice to gringos! Yes they're. But if they catched you with drugs is a different story my friend. This is true as it is. I don't want to give a bad advises but if you are in Medellin don't get in this predicament.
Enjoy paisas all the way.
[QUOTE=Client 9]Tom,
Please stop providing accurate info.
Your realism upsets the Colombia apologists.[/QUOTE]
I'm preparing to stay in Colombia 5 months starting this fall and I will visit the country every year for approx. 3-7 months every year. That is the plan.
I have experienced females from Argentina and Perú essentially, but I have also encountered females from Brazil and Colombia.
The difference between porteñas, girls from Buenos Aires, and girls from Bogotá is striking. The colombian females are a little bit prettier, but much more open, as well are their sisters from Brazil. In the interior of Argentina the females are open as well, but the environment is boring. Peruvian girls and their sisters from Colombia are not always serious of course. Porteñas doesn't fell any need to look for a gringo for marriage. Buenos Aires is the capital of Latin America and equals NY/Paris/London. I'm a european farmer in their eyes!
Before getting to a country it is of great value to get to know some interesting girls.
Colombianas are so hot. It seems to them, when I start talking about friendship, they think I'm not serious about a relationship. However, I need female friends as sources of valueable info. In Argentina and Perú this was as important for the success of my travels as ULTRA was for The Allies.
To be cont.
[QUOTE=Mer07] It seems to them, when I start talking about friendship, they think I'm not serious about a relationship. However, I need female friends as sources of valuable info. In Argentina and Perú this was as important for the success of my travels as ULTRA was for The Allies.[/QUOTE]You need to be careful about using the phrase "amistad" with Colombian women. "Amistad" is often interpreted as meaning you are looking for sex only. You need to say you are looking for a "relacion seria" or they will jump to all sorts of conclusions. Colombian women are incapable of logic and jump to impulsive conclusions all the time.
I have been to four other countries in Latin America, and "amistad" is interpreted normally in all of them. Only in Colombia does an innocent word like "amistad" result in sinister interpretations from the women. And I think it reveals something about Colombian culture.
After reading this, expect various Colombia apologists to deny this. They are wrong. Most of them don't actually speak Spanish. Most of them don't actually travel to Colombia to meet women, they just talk about it on the internet with other men.
It is very easy to meet, date and have sex with Colombian women that are not prostitutes. However, you have to push certain buttons. Always say you want a "relacion seria" even if it seems absurdly early to make such a comment.
Obviously, none of this matters in the case of prepagos and other types of Colombian prostitutes.
I'm going to Medellin next month for the first time and I don't speak spanish. I downloaded one of those "Learn Spanish in two weeks" types of audio series. I am obviously not going to master the language in such a short time, but I figure it can only help with basic communication.
Obviously, the series will not help with many of the types of phrases one will need when dealing with the girls. I found a thread on Argentina Private which focuses on such phrases. (Here: [url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1809[/url] )
It is my understanding, that different spanish speaking countries can have different dialects to one degree or another. My basic question is: Are the spanish phrases from Argentina listed in the link above applicable to Columbia?
Opinions, not to be mistaken as gospel. Some truth, some experience, but please don't paint the whole house the same color. Most this and most that? Vague generalizations expected to be treated as fact. I disagree.
Oh, I speak Spanish, have traveled to Colombia, probably 20 times and do not just talk about it on the internet.
They all want a little something in their purse or pocket as the leave. Help me with the movie. We have already determined your business. We are now negotiating your price. I love Colombia. Simple and direct. Bid and offer. Colombian women are not gringas, well most outside of Medellin.
Having fun in Cali. The opinions expressed here are mine.
JES
[QUOTE=Client 9]You need to be careful about using the phrase "amistad" with Colombian women. "Amistad" is often interpreted as meaning you are looking for sex only. You need to say you are looking for a "relacion seria" or they will jump to all sorts of conclusions. Colombian women are incapable of logic and jump to impulsive conclusions all the time.
I have been to four other countries in Latin America, and "amistad" is interpreted normally in all of them. Only in Colombia does an innocent word like "amistad" result in sinister interpretations from the women. And I think it reveals something about Colombian culture.
After reading this, expect various Colombia apologists to deny this. They are wrong. Most of them don't actually speak Spanish. Most of them don't actually travel to Colombia to meet women, they just talk about it on the internet with other men.
It is very easy to meet, date and have sex with Colombian women that are not prostitutes. However, you have to push certain buttons. Always say you want a "relacion seria" even if it seems absurdly early to make such a comment.
Obviously, none of this matters in the case of prepagos and other types of Colombian prostitutes.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jesi James]They all want a little something in their purse or pocket as they leave.[/QUOTE]False.
There are more than 20 million women in Colombia, and most of them are not prepagos or some other form of prostitute.
[QUOTE=Johny 99]I'm going to Medellin next month for the first time and I don't speak spanish. I downloaded one of those "Learn Spanish in two weeks" types of audio series. I am obviously not going to master the language in such a short time, but I figure it can only help with basic communication.
Obviously, the series will not help with many of the types of phrases one will need when dealing with the girls. I found a thread on Argentina Private which focuses on such phrases. (Here: [url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1809[/url] )
It is my understanding, that different spanish speaking countries can have different dialects to one degree or another. My basic question is: Are the spanish phrases from Argentina listed in the link above applicable to Columbia?[/QUOTE]Though the spanish dialects are very different from Argentina to Medellin, Colombia, the basic Spanish phrases are pretty much the same.
For as good as you're going to get in spanish in 2 weeks, those phrases in The BA thread will be fine.
In Argentina, the use of 'Vos sos' (you are) is used primarily, in Colombia most often used is 'tu eres' (you are).
Though they each understand the other.
The rest is just fine :)
Have fun!
[QUOTE=Client 9]You need to be careful about using the phrase "amistad" with Colombian women. "Amistad" is often interpreted as meaning you are looking for sex only. You need to say you are looking for a "relacion seria" or they will jump to all sorts of conclusions. Colombian women are incapable of logic and jump to impulsive conclusions all the time.
I have been to four other countries in Latin America, and "amistad" is interpreted normally in all of them. Only in Colombia does an innocent word like "amistad" result in sinister interpretations from the women. And I think it reveals something about Colombian culture.
After reading this, expect various Colombia apologists to deny this. They are wrong. Most of them don't actually speak Spanish. Most of them don't actually travel to Colombia to meet women, they just talk about it on the internet with other men.
It is very easy to meet, date and have sex with Colombian women that are not prostitutes. However, you have to push certain buttons. Always say you want a "relacion seria" even if it seems absurdly early to make such a comment.
Obviously, none of this matters in the case of prepagos and other types of Colombian prostitutes.[/QUOTE]As the Client here says, if you're trying to schmooze a normal Colombiana, use the 'relacion seria' wording, especially when you're first talking to her.
If you say that you're just looking for 'amistades', it could very easily be understood as looking for lovers.
As you get to know someone better, and gain her confidence a bit, you can more easily say you're looking for an 'amistad' with her and you'll be OK.
You do have to be careful though if you don't want her to get the wrong idea.
PS. Though I don't really know what a 'Colombia apologist' is, I sure hope I'm not one of them. hahaha :)
[QUOTE=Client 9]False.
There are more than 20 million women in Colombia, and most of them are not prepagos or some other form of prostitute.[/QUOTE]Matter of fact, plenty of chicas (normal) may take offense to just handing them money when they're leaving ... insinuating.
Of course the pros/semi pros will take as much as you're willing to give.
[QUOTE=Client 9]Colombian women are incapable of logic...[/QUOTE]I think that the word "Colombian" is a tautology.
[QUOTE=Ricker]Though the spanish dialects are very different from Argentina to Medellin, Colombia, the basic Spanish phrases are pretty much the same.
For as good as you're going to get in spanish in 2 weeks, those phrases in The BA thread will be fine.
In Argentina, the use of 'Vos sos' (you are) is used primarily, in Colombia most often used is 'tu eres' (you are).
Though they each understand the other.
The rest is just fine :)
Have fun![/QUOTE]Thanks for the response! I have this silly image of my self flashing different index cards with pre filled out phrases in spanish on one side, and english on the other, at the girls to communicate.
[QUOTE=Client 9]Colombian women are incapable of logic and jump to impulsive conclusions all the time.[/QUOTE]Knowing that I run the risk of turning this into a pissing contest I can’t refrain from reacting to the simplifications you broach.
Your post is brimming over with generalizations, and displays the same know-it-all attitude that you accuse others of.
[QUOTE]I have been to four other countries in Latin America, and "amistad" is interpreted normally in all of them. Only in Colombia does an innocent word like "amistad" result in sinister interpretations from the women. And I think it reveals something about Colombian culture.[/QUOTE]I wonder how good you know Colombia and how many Colombians you have met apart from the women you’ve been with to express such over-confident swagger about Colombian culture.
If you’d looked it up in a Colombian Spanish dictionary such as Dictionario Norma Español, you would have found that the general meaning of ‘amistad’ isn’t any different in Colombia than in the rest of the Spanish-speaking world:
'afecto que une a las personas, 2. personas amigas.’
Probably there’s a simple explanation for your confusion. In Colombia sex ads in many newspapers are posted under the euphemistically termed umbrella caption ‘Amistad.’ [QUOTE]After reading this, expect various Colombia apologists to deny this. They are wrong. Most of them don't actually speak Spanish. Most of them don't actually travel to Colombia to meet women, they just talk about it on the internet with other men[/QUOTE]It’s nearly 20 years that I have been travelling to Colombia. I lived in Cali and El Quindío for extended periods of time. There are few places in the country that I haven’t been to, and have met and rubbed shoulders with hundreds, maybe thousands, of Colombians.
However, I wouldn’t have the temerity of considering myself an expert on the mentality of Colombian women or Colombian culture like you do. When you’ve met enough Colombians you’ll find that they aren’t the cardboard characters you depict them to be, but as intricate as the people in your part of the world.[QUOTE]Obviously, none of this matters in the case of prepagos and other types of Colombian prostitutes.[/QUOTE]I can count the P4P encounters that I’ve had in all this time on the fingers of one hand, because Colombian girls are very open and inviting to foreigners. Speak the lingo, learn to dance salsa, look cool and dress sharply, go to Juanchito or Tienda Vieja, or any viejoteca for that matter, and you’ll find that you can easily score more regulars chicas than you can handle.
Get to know Colombianos better and you’ll find that like most people in poor countries all over the world many of them show a picaro, street-wise mentality when it comes to making an easy buck.
One of my friends uses to say ‘para el dinero baila el perro,’ and a joke showing that mentality, and very popular with Colombians, is the one about the daughter who has been abroad and after many years of complete isolation returns home to confess to her dad that she had been working as a high-class prostitute.
He indignantly shows her the door and accuses her of being a disgrace to the family, and tells her never to return.
He’s about to push her out and slam the door in her face when she tells him she can understand his anger and will do as he says, but that the sole purpose of her short visit had been to hand over the title deed of a luxurious bungalow she had bought for him and her mother, the bank pass of the account she had opened in their name with US$500,000 in it, the diamond necklace for her mother, the Rolex watch for him, and the papers of that brand new Porsche Carrere parked in front of the house.
He turns pale and asks her in a quiverring voice to tell him again what she had become. When she repeats ‘prostitute’, he replies:
- ¡Uf! Qué susto, había entendido ¡Protestante!
I can see some people doing it exactly like that. But a little discretion, like, here is some taxi money and a little extra to buy your baby, mother, grandmother a little gift for watching the baby. Something along those lines or I saw you looking at that dress, if you really want it go back with your girlfriends and buy it.
Done like this, I have had none pissed at me (over that), given it back, said it was too much or too little and all appreciated the gift. I have dated women of all estradas and professions here in my travels.
But I could see where some would say, oh by the way here is 50 K cop, thanks for fucking me. And those guys deserve what they get.
Just my opinion and my way of helping a friend.
[QUOTE=Ricker]Matter of fact, plenty of chicas (normal) may take offense to just handing them money when they're leaving ... insinuating.
Of course the pros/semi pros will take as much as you're willing to give.[/QUOTE]
I live in Colombia, work in Colombia for Colombian pesos and I side with Client 9 on this. It is VERY bad form to wave money in people's faces here. Not only can it get you robbed it really makes people think you are low class. Most non-pros in Colombia wouldn't even dare to ask for taxi money home. The last time I went out on the town with an amigovia here, I payed the cover 10k each and she paid 40k for the bottle before I could even stop her! Girls here who are not interesadas or prepagos want to make it 100% clear that they do NOT need your money, it's a pride thing.
And yes, "amistad" conjures up images of amigovios and amigos con derechos. Fuckbuddies. And most non-pros are looking for at least the POSSIBILITY of something serious, I really don't know why in this day and age but in that aspect they are just as tiresome as the AW.
I get the potential for action ALL THE TIME on my gigs but at least 90% of the girls are looking for a steady boyfriend and lose all interest in you if that's not on the table. I always tell them the truth, that I'm married and in an open relationship and would they be interested in a trio. Not many takers (although the ones that ARE takers are the best in the sack anyways I'm sure).
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito] It is VERY bad form to wave money in people's faces here. Not only can it get you robbed it really makes people think you are low class.[/QUOTE]We are obviously having two different conversations here! I couldn't agree with you more. But if you are referring to any of my statements on this subject, you are completely mistaken. To each his own as our opinions and experiences differ, as do our manners of presentation of gifts to our friends.
Out and done on this subject.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]The last time I went out on the town with an amigovia here, I payed the cover 10k each and she paid 40k for the bottle before I could even stop her![/QUOTE]That's exactly my experience!
[quote]Knowing that I run the risk of turning this into a pissing contest I can’t refrain from reacting to the simplifications you broach. Your post is brimming over with generalizations, and displays the same know-it-all attitude that you accuse others of. [/quote]You are looking for a pissing contest. So why be passive-aggressive about it? At the risk of pointing out the obvious, the primary purpose of this forum is to provide generalizations that simplify the process of chica-chasing.
[quote]I wonder how good you know Colombia and how many Colombians you have met apart from the women you’ve been with to express such over-confident swagger about Colombian culture. [/quote]Enough to know that Colombian women like confident men with a little swagger.
[quote]If you’d looked it up in a Colombian Spanish dictionary. [/quote]At the risk of pointing out the obvious, dictionaries do not attempt to be comprehensive guides to sexual innuendo.
[quote]Probably there’s a simple explanation for your confusion. [/quote]There is no confusion on my part. However, I will point out some more of your confusion. You meant to choose "El Culeon" as your pseudonym, not El Culion. What you are attempting to say is derived from the verb "culear" which means "to fuck" in Colombian Spanish. In turn, the verb culear is derived from "culebra" which means "snake" in Spanish. "Culiar" is a common misspelling for culear. By the way, your choice of pseudonym also does not reflect the humility that you disingenuously self-proclaim.
[quote]However, I wouldn’t have the temerity of considering myself an expert on the mentality of Colombian women or Colombian culture like you do. When you’ve met enough Colombians you’ll find that they aren’t the cardboard characters you depict them to be, but as intricate as the people in your part of the world. I can count the P4P encounters that I’ve had in all this time on the fingers of one hand, because Colombian girls are very open and inviting to foreigners. Speak the lingo, learn to dance salsa, look cool and dress sharply, go to Juanchito or Tienda Vieja, or any viejoteca for that matter, and you’ll find that you can easily score more regulars chicas than you can handle. [/quote]Despite all of your passive-aggressive rambling, it's clear you do consider yourself an expert. Unfortunately, recommendations of a Friday night in Juanchito or a late Sunday afternoon at Tienda Vieja don't establish such expertise. While it is accurate that both locations are very fertile spots for chica-chasing in Cali, it's also true that any American feminist lurking on Colombia forums could very easily have made the same recommendations. What else ya' got, champ?
[QUOTE=Client 9]You meant to choose "El Culeon" as your pseudonym, not El Culion. What you are attempting to say is derived from the verb "culear" which means "to fuck" in Colombian Spanish.[/QUOTE]WHAHAHAHA!!!!
[url]http://www.asihablamos.com/?word=culiar[/url]
[url]http://www.diccionariolibre.com/definition.php?word=culiar[/url]
etc. etc.[QUOTE]In turn, the verb culear is derived from "culebra" which means "snake" in Spanish. "Culiar" is a common misspelling for culear[/QUOTE] Sorry, wrong again, buddy. It's got nothing to do with "culebra" (culebrar?) but with "culo," hence the occurence of both spellings ;)
‘Nuff said!
Hi Gents,
Has anyone ever done a green card wife swap with a Colombian Babe. Basically you make an arranged marriage until she gets her papers but she gives you all the ass you want in US.
Anyone done this or knows someone who has? It looks like most real marriages end up with divorces from Colombia. So why not lay the cards straight from the very beginning? Any thoughts?
[QUOTE=El Culion]WHAHAHAHA!!!!
[url]http://www.asihablamos.com/?word=culiar[/url]
[url]http://www.diccionariolibre.com/definition.php?word=culiar[/url]
etc. etc. Sorry, wrong again, buddy. It's got nothing to do with "culebra" (culebrar?) but with "culo," hence the occurence of both spellings ;)
‘Nuff said![/QUOTE]Actually, I believe your dicionary links prove more the Client´s point of view.
Your second link even states that there is no definition for your word ´culiar´,
but who really cares really.
Hey Guys,
I am planning to spend a few months in Colombia to learn Spanish. And maybe investigate the Colombian woman as well! I'd like to enroll in a Spanish immersion program with a good reputation, but also reasonably affordable. My Spanish is very, very, basic right now so I want to learn as much as possible, as quickly as possible.
I'm having a hard time finding schools online and was hoping you all might be able to provide some advice. I've heard Bogota is the best place to go, but am open to other locations as well. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for your help!
Neidermeyer
I'm a swinger. I live in Santa Marta. I have some friends and we swap girlfriends for the weekend sometimes. With new couples, we chat on the net first. If everyone clicks, we do a swap. If anyone is interested in exchanging information, please send me an IM.
Make sure you give her half of what you own! Beacause colombian ladies are pretty smart. No I never married any colombian girl for paper or just to get the ass. I'll get all the time without getting marry fool. Get you game on. I meet alot of colombian girls that had spoken to me about that american men propose to marry them just for sex instead of asking them out on a date (dinner-dancing-drinking-hot sex all night long) alot cheaper then having to deal with all the drama of marry, lawyers, divorce, maintenance f%& that. Live and learn guy!
[QUOTE=Cool Morris]Hi Gents,
Has anyone ever done a green card wife swap with a Colombian Babe. Basically you make an arranged marriage until she gets her papers but she gives you all the ass you want in US.
Anyone done this or knows someone who has? It looks like most real marriages end up with divorces from Colombia. So why not lay the cards straight from the very beginning? Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.learn4good.com/great_schools/colombia_immersion_spanish_language_courses.htm[/url]
Here's one in Medellin. This took me like 60 seconds to find on the internet. I think that most people need a good bit of time to learn to hear and speak well, like maybe a few years. But in addition to a school of this sort, spending lots of time with a spanish-speaking girlfriend is most effective.
What is the best way to live in Colombia for a year or two or more - without having fiance, wife, job, property, income, or investments in Colombia? Is it possible to arrange a visa for this? As far as I understand without a visa you can only stay 180 days out of a year.
Also, I was looking at my previous entry stamps. Some are 60 days, some are 15 days, one is only 10 days! But I swear the most recent one says 180 days, although it is hand-written and not entirely legible. Is that possible?
[QUOTE=Blourghus]What is the best way to live in Colombia for a year or two or more - without having fiance, wife, job, property, income, or investments in Colombia? Is it possible to arrange a visa for this? As far as I understand without a visa you can only stay 180 days out of a year.
Also, I was looking at my previous entry stamps. Some are 60 days, some are 15 days, one is only 10 days! But I swear the most recent one says 180 days, although it is hand-written and not entirely legible. Is that possible?[/QUOTE]Have you checked with the Colombian Embassy website? Options are listed there.
Unlikely. You don't state your nationality, but assuming you're American IIUC the most they can give you on entry is 60 days. Used to be 90.
[QUOTE=Blourghus]What is the best way to live in Colombia for a year or two or more - without having fiance, wife, job, property, income, or investments in Colombia? Is it possible to arrange a visa for this? As far as I understand without a visa you can only stay 180 days out of a year.
Also, I was looking at my previous entry stamps. Some are 60 days, some are 15 days, one is only 10 days! But I swear the most recent one says 180 days, although it is hand-written and not entirely legible. Is that possible?[/QUOTE]No, that is not possible. Under Colombian law, the most you can get upon entry is 90 days. But you usually will get 60.
You will not get any VISA without income/assets or a job in Colombia. I have had 3 Rentista VISAs which require proof of About US$30,000 in cash, bonds or stocks. Those assets can be held in the US.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]I have had 3 Rentista VISAs which require proof of About US$30,000 in cash, bonds or stocks. Those assets can be held in the US.[/QUOTE]Thank you - this is precisely what I am looking for. Does this VISA have any other name? I tried Googling and looking at consuladodecolombia.com, but couldn't find any more info. The reference I find to retirement/pensioner visa needs a monthly income, but I could not find "lump sum" equivalent. Any more details/references?
[QUOTE=Tom 33]No, that is not possible. Under Colombian law, the most you can get upon entry is 90 days. But you usually will get 60.
You will not get any VISA without income/assets or a job in Colombia. I have had 3 Rentista VISAs which require proof of About US$30,000 in cash, bonds or stocks. Those assets can be held in the US.[/QUOTE]How do you go about getting these?
I frequently monger in Asia, but would like to try Colombia. As a result, I am looking for some general advice, e.g., best city for newbie, hotels (mid range in terms of price $40-50, places) (I prefer the street or strip clubs),prices, etc.
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
I purchased a comcel phone during my last visit to MDE at the end of January. An amiga mentioned that it might not work when I arrive in July. Is she right? I would hate to have to get another number. Will I have to purchase another sim card or can I just pay a reactivation fee?
You do a google or ISG or poorbuthappy or 4 or 5 other searches and wa la, like magic the answer is there. good luck.
[QUOTE=Malodr]How do you go about getting these?[/QUOTE]
I am a well traveled Asian mongerer. As a result of a recent trip to Santo Domingo I would like to try Colombia. i
Can you please provice advice regarding
What City a first timer should select?
GF Hotels?
Venues (prefer clubs/street)?
Prices?
Thank you.
[QUOTE=Blourghus]Thank you - this is precisely what I am looking for. Does this VISA have any other name? I tried Googling and looking at consuladodecolombia.com, but couldn't find any more info. The reference I find to retirement/pensioner visa needs a monthly income, but I could not find "lump sum" equivalent. Any more details/references?[/QUOTE]All VISAs are issued by MRE: http://www.cancilleria.gov.co:82/wps/portal/espanol/!ut/p/c1/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os_jQsKAwo2AXYwN_Pw8XA08DfyNLl2BzI_cwI6B8JLK8b5CpgVGYj1mgl6uxkYGnGTG6LUzdLEP9DYHyFh6uBkZuPqbGAc7Oxs6O5pToDiak288jPzdVvyA3NDSi3FERAO45gcg!/dl2/d1/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS9ZQnB3LzZfODVGOVVPMTMwMFVMQjAyRktVUFY5TDMwMw!!/
There is no other name for the Rentista VISA. The Rentista has a provision for showing a monthly income of around US$2500. Since I didn't have any regular income, I asked the Chicago Deputy Consul if I could just show that I had 12 months worth. And he said, fine.
You could also call any Colombian Consulate.
[QUOTE=Negrofino]I purchased a comcel phone during my last visit to MDE at the end of January. An amiga mentioned that it might not work when I arrive in July. Is she right? I would hate to have to get another number. Will I have to purchase another sim card or can I just pay a reactivation fee?[/QUOTE]No, it will work but your minutes will be expired, they expire after 30 days. Check it when you get off the plane.. when you try to make a call the voicemail will say you need to add minutes,, and if it does? you are golden.
[QUOTE=Its All Good]A question for those who are using Pingo to call Colombia. I have used Pingo for about 2 years and have never had a problem with them, but for the past two months I have not been able to complete about 95 percent of my calls, as the party I am calling cannot hear me, but I can hear them when they answer hello. I have continuously notified Pingo of this problem, spoken to supervisors at the company on the telephone, but all I get is they will send a fix it ticket to there technical staff. I know Pingo is quite popular with people calling Colombia from the United States, so I am curious if others are having the same problem?
In advance thank you for posting about your experiences with this company and the problem I am experiencing.[/QUOTE]I have been using Pingo for about 3 years and have no problem and good quality lines. Also check into Skype as well. They have a new call Colombia land lines for $5 a month.
[QUOTE=Its All Good]I have been speaking to several girls from different internet dating sites that feature Colombian girls. I am finding so many of them want me to meet there parents when I come to visit them. Is this something common with the Colombianas, as I have not experienced this previously? I find this rather uncomfortable, since I am in my later 40's and they are in there very early 20's, and students in universities. I have found they also need there parents permission to spend the nights with me, and this is one of the reasons why they want me to meet there parents.
Any imput anyone can add to this will be greatly appreciated![/QUOTE]Any respectable girl will have you meet her parents upon arrival, it shows respect on your behalf and her behalf as well. This is the norm and a very common occurance and you should be eager to meet them.. it all shows you have good intentions no matter what they might be.. If you dont meet them, this shows lack of respect and that you are hiding something.
The age difference is normal and somewhat accepted but usually a little closer in gap.
Any "good" girl will NOT sleep with you right away..If she does she is most likely a bad girl or even a prepago. What do you mean needs permission to spend nights with you? Do you mean to go out at night? or spend the whole evening with you? No parents of a girl from a "GOOD" family will give you their blessing for their daughter to spend the night with you until AFTER you have established a serious boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. Until then, you might be looking at her sneaking out to see you if she was to sleep over.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]There is no other name for the Rentista VISA. The Rentista has a provision for showing a monthly income of around US$2500. Since I didn't have any regular income, I asked the Chicago Deputy Consul if I could just show that I had 12 months worth. And he said, fine.[/QUOTE]Thanks again for the info, Tom 33. I just hope showing the 12 months in cash was not exception they made for you, but is regular practice and can be duplicated by anyone.
I also did some more research and found the Student Visa also - you just sign up for Spanish class or something, which is cheap, and you can get visa, maybe only a few months but you can keep renewing it.
Also of this is in addition to 180 days free, so there are definitely lots of ways to get into Colombia. Best resources seems to be PBH, search for Visa on there and you can all sorts of info.
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]No, it will work but your minutes will be expired, they expire after 30 days. Check it when you get off the phone.. when you try to make a call the voicemail will say you need to add minutes,, and if it does? you are golden.[/QUOTE]Comcel minutes expire after 30 days only if you purchase 20000 or fewer pesos of time. If you buy 30000 they have a 60 day expiration and I think there are even longer expiration periods if you buy more.
[QUOTE=Its All Good]A question for those who are using Pingo to call Colombia. I have used Pingo for about 2 years and have never had a problem with them, but for the past two months I have not been able to complete about 95 percent of my calls, as the party I am calling cannot hear me, but I can hear them when they answer hello. I have continuously notified Pingo of this problem, spoken to supervisors at the company on the telephone, but all I get is they will send a fix it ticket to there technical staff. I know Pingo is quite popular with people calling Colombia from the United States, so I am curious if others are having the same problem?
In advance thank you for posting about your experiences with this company and the problem I am experiencing.[/QUOTE]Three nights ago I had the same problem. I even tried using a different phone and it was still no good. As a rule I am still quite happy with Pingo.
Hey Milo,
You can spend more than $100,000 USD on *****s and apply for a investment visa mate.
Aussie G.
[QUOTE=Malodr]How do you go about getting these?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Its All Good]A question for those who are using Pingo to call Colombia. I have used Pingo for about 2 years and have never had a problem with them, but for the past two months I have not been able to complete about 95 percent of my calls, as the party I am calling cannot hear me, but I can hear them when they answer hello. I have continuously notified Pingo of this problem, spoken to supervisors at the company on the telephone, but all I get is they will send a fix it ticket to there technical staff. I know Pingo is quite popular with people calling Colombia from the United States, so I am curious if others are having the same problem?
In advance thank you for posting about your experiences with this company and the problem I am experiencing.[/QUOTE]I use mystar123 it's about the same rate as pingo with no connection fee. You can register any phone number from were you are calling from (landline or cellphone) and just dial one of there access numbers and then the number you want to call. There is no pin number to enter once you register a number.
I have been using this for almost 4 years and had no problems with it. You can go to any metro pcs phone store and get this service or go to mystar123.com.
I dunno about the age differences being so acceptable. Maybe it depends on the city but here in Bogota it is NOT cool to date a girl still in university when you are middle aged.
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Any respectable girl will have you meet her parents upon arrival, it shows respect on your behalf and her behalf as well. This is the norm and a very common occurance and you should be eager to meet them.. it all shows you have good intentions no matter what they might be.. If you dont meet them, this shows lack of respect and that you are hiding something.
The age difference is normal and somewhat accepted but usually a little closer in gap.
Any "good" girl will NOT sleep with you right away..If she does she is most likely a bad girl or even a prepago. What do you mean needs permission to spend nights with you? Do you mean to go out at night? or spend the whole evening with you? No parents of a girl from a "GOOD" family will give you their blessing for their daughter to spend the night with you until AFTER you have established a serious boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. Until then, you might be looking at her sneaking out to see you if she was to sleep over.[/QUOTE]
nicholas krsitof is one of the editorial writers in the ny times, and much of his writings are based upon his travel experience. on sunday, he presented a bunch of tips for improving travel safety, most obvious, some you may not think of. here is his list of 15. the entire article can be found at:
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/opinion/31kristof.html?_r=1[/url]
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in response, here are 15 tips for traveling to even the roughest of countries — and back:
1. carry a “decoy wallet,” so that if you are robbed by bandits with large guns, you have something to hand over. i keep $40 in my decoy wallet, along with an old library card and frequent-flier card. (but don’t begrudge the wallet: when my travel buddy was pickpocketed in peru, we tried to jump the pickpocket, who turned out to be backed by an entire gang ... )
2. carry cash and your passport where no robber will find it. assuming that few bandits read this column, i’ll disclose that i carry mine in a pouch that loops onto my belt and tucks under my trousers.
3. carry a tiny ski lock with a six-foot retractable wire. use it to lock your backpack to a hotel bed when you’re out, or to the rack of a train car.
4. at night, set a chair against your hotel door so that it will tip over and crash if someone slips in at 4 a.m. and lift the sheet to look for bloodstains on the mattress — meaning bed bugs.
5. when it gets dark, always carry a headlamp in your pocket. i learned that from a friend whose hotel in damascus lost power. he lacked a light but was able to feel his way up the stairs in the dark, find his room and walk in. a couple of final gropes, and he discovered it wasn’t his room after all. unfortunately, it was occupied.
6. if you’re a woman held up in an isolated area, stick out your stomach, pat it and signal that you’re pregnant. you might also invest in a cheap wedding band, for imaginary husbands deflect unwanted suitors.
7. be wary of accepting drinks from anyone. robbers sometimes use a date [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] drug to knock out their victims — in bars, in trains, in homes. if presented with pre-poured drinks, switch them with your host, cheerfully explaining: “this is an american good luck ritual!”
8. buy a secondhand local cell phone for $20, outfit it with a local sim card and keep it in your pocket.
9. when you arrive in a new city, don’t take an airport taxi unless you know it is safe. if you do take a cab, choose a scrawny driver and lock all the doors — thieves may pull open the doors at a red light and run off with a bag.
10. don’t wear a nice watch, for that suggests a fat wallet and also makes a target. i learned that lesson on my first trip to the philippines: a robber with a machete had just encountered a japanese businessman with a rolex — who now, alas, has only one hand.
11. look out for fake cops or crooked ones. if a policeman tries to arrest you, demand to see some id and use your cell phone to contact a friend.
12. if you are held up by bandits with large guns, shake hands respectfully with each of your persecutors. it’s very important to be polite to people who might kill you. surprisingly often, child soldiers and other bandits will reciprocate your fake friendliness and settle for some cash rather than everything you possess. i’ve even had thugs warmly exchange addresses with me, after robbing me.
13. remember that the scariest people aren’t warlords, but drivers. in buses i sometimes use my pack as an airbag; after one crash i was the only passenger not hospitalized.
14. if terrorists finger you, break out singing “o canada”!
15. finally, don’t be so cautious that you miss the magic of escaping your comfort zone and mingling with local people and staying in their homes. the risks are minimal compared with the wonders of spending time in a small village. so take a gap year, or volunteer in a village or a slum. and even if everything goes wrong and you are robbed and catch malaria, shrug it off — those are precisely the kinds of authentic interactions with local cultures that, in retrospect, enrich a journey and life itself.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I dunno about the age differences being so acceptable. Maybe it depends on the city but here in Bogota it is NOT cool to date a girl still in university when you are middle aged.[/QUOTE]Bango I only spent a weekend in Bogota but in MDE and CLO it is very common and widespread but usually only within the Colombianos.. I Do and many other gringos thinks its gross when you see that alot in Parque Lleras in MDE(fat old sandal wearing gringos 50's-60's) but anybody in their right mind knows right away what time it is and says "grillas" or "prepago" so whos foolin who here? lol
So all you men out there that don't want to be COOL, remember do not date girls in the university. Wait until they have 3 kids and no father to support them and then you can date them. Oh wait, that isn't Colombia, that is gringalandia. Me, I elect the university girls, and I hope to help a few more through their studies.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I dunno about the age differences being so acceptable. Maybe it depends on the city but here in Bogota it is NOT cool to date a girl still in university when you are middle aged.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I dunno about the age differences being so acceptable. Maybe it depends on the city but here in Bogota it is NOT cool to date a girl still in university when you are middle aged.[/QUOTE]Please God tell me that 32 isn't middle aged!?
Rodeo
[QUOTE=Rodeo9112]Please God tell me that 32 isn't middle aged!?
Rodeo[/QUOTE]It is. Sorry.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I dunno about the age differences being so acceptable. Maybe it depends on the city but here in Bogota it is NOT cool to date a girl still in university when you are middle aged.[/QUOTE]That's funny :)
My life became much more UN-complicated when I stopped worrying what others thought was COOL or NOT COOL.
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]It is. Sorry.[/QUOTE]What?
32 middle age? I dont think so, I am 29 and I think that maybe 40-45 would be middle age. If you look old enogh to be her dad, thats not good.
Of course, try not to take out one that looks 15! and always ask for ID.
I'm 40. Mostly, 90%, who are interested in me are much younger. Maybe they think in terms of maturity and/or money. Guapas +30 are seldom interested in me. Today a 19y-o made contact with me. I prefer this compared how it is at homebase.
[QUOTE=Astrolounge]What?
32 middle age? I dont think so, I am 29 and I think that maybe 40-45 would be middle age. If you look old enogh to be her dad, thats not good.
Of course, try not to take out one that looks 15! and always ask for ID.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rodeo9112]Please God tell me that 32 isn't middle aged!?
Rodeo[/QUOTE]Dude, age is a factor only if you let it be, no matter what others may say.
Just do your thing and have fun!
I guess you have not left HOME YET?
[QUOTE=Astrolounge]What?
32 middle age? I dont think so, I am 29 and I think that maybe 40-45 would be middle age. If you look old enough to be her dad, thats not good.
Of course, try not to take out one that looks 15! and always ask for ID.[/QUOTE]
I use Pingo for calling So. America and just picked up Magic Jack for my laptop. My question is when I am in Colombia can I use magic jack to call citys in Colombia,via pingo? The reason I would want to do that is it would mask where I was calling from plus I could call from my room and all my numbers are already programed in Pingo. I think it would also be cheaper than using a local cell phone.
Has anyone done this?
Thanks in advance for any input
Good morning fellow travelers,
I have two quick questions: Does anyone know what the current exit tax is when departing Colombia (Cartagena)??
I will assume that if you have a layover in Panama City, Panama that you
(obviously) must go through customs and immigations, but after that do you
have to go to baggage claim, pick up your luggage, re-check it, then go through security again, or, is your luggage placed on the connecting flight to CTG with out having to go through all that mess?
Thank you for your input.
SrLengua
Ireally believe that it is important and politically correct to not be with chicas that are less than 1/2 your age. Sooooooooo, I used to always have 2 that would add up to more than 1/2, ahhhhhhh, 3 that come close in total. Anybody that wants to be politically correct can sit with the old fart club and take inventory of why they are better, prettier and only are here to better the world. I am a lifelong member of the SLUTS club, actually a proud senior member at this time. I can't afford any mnore dating clubs, falling in love is bankrupting me.
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]It is. Sorry.[/QUOTE]Nice try at trying to keep me away! I know 32 isn't middle aged, I was being facetious (sp?). Mostly everyone (male and female) I meet, think I am like 25-26; that can have its advantages and disadvantages.
Middle aged is a state of mind in my opinion. If your swag (swagger: game, self-confidence) is at its peak, it doesn't matter what your age is. As long as you carry yourself with a certain aire, keep yourself looking good physically, and stay sharp mentally, you can pull any woman -- even if she has a man, even in the US.
Turn your swag on!
Rodeo
You guys can think whatever you want, but it's just going to hurt your own kill ratio. No skin off my nose. I'm just telling it like it is. Most university age girls in Bogota would think it's gross to be dating a guy in his 30s or 40s. Of course if you don't mind getting a real gold digger and overpaying, you shouldn't have a hard time. :P but me personally if I just want to bang some tight 20 year old, I'll go to the whiskeria and pay pennies on the dollar what you are paying.
IN medellin if you stay more then 60 days you paid the taxes.... and for the luggage I NEVER PACK MORE THEN WHATEVER i can take on muy carry on luggage so i don't have to deal with check in bags or wait at the terminals.
[QUOTE=SrLengua]Good morning fellow travelers,
I have two quick questions: Does anyone know what the current exit tax is when departing Colombia (Cartagena)??
I will assume that if you have a layover in Panama City, Panama that you
(obviously) must go through customs and immigations, but after that do you
have to go to baggage claim, pick up your luggage, re-check it, then go through security again, or, is your luggage placed on the connecting flight to CTG with out having to go through all that mess?
Thank you for your input.
SrLengua[/QUOTE]
Because he said it, it is so. I hate to be biting to this. This is one persons opinion. You cannot tell me MOST uni girls opinion in Bogota or any other place in Colombia. You can tell me of the ones you know and have asked and have contact with.
Tell me some facts about what the men are paying for the gold diggers?
Opinions y assumptions. Please do a report about how you are paying pennies on the dollar to what we are paying. I don't recall telling you what I am paying.
Bango, you offer your opinion. It is not GOSPEL. You cannot speak for every lady in Colombia. Please do not try. You cannot speak for every lady in Bogota. Please do not try.
If you want to speak of hechos, with your close friends in Bogota, please make it clear that your friends are as closed minded as the gringas in los. Ee. Uu.
I personally have found a completely different attitude and acceptance here in Colombia.
Ah, but, I don't measure my success by my KILL ratio.
Thank you for your opinion, but it is not fact.
Rickers. I love the life less complicado
Bango, give us a report on the wiskerias for pennies, that is if you know what I am paying. Please enlighten me.
No aceptas basura en tu vida. Ni mentiras.
Ciao
JJ
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]You guys can think whatever you want, but it's just going to hurt your own kill ratio. No skin off my nose. I'm just telling it like it is. Most university age girls in Bogota would think it's gross to be dating a guy in his 30s or 40s. Of course if you don't mind getting a real gold digger and overpaying, you shouldn't have a hard time. :P but me personally if I just want to bang some tight 20 year old, I'll go to the whiskeria and pay pennies on the dollar what you are paying.[/QUOTE]
Young females with 10-20 years older men, we also have here in the first world, even though not so common. I personally know two bright and goodlooking girls who have older boyfriends-and this girls can both practically choose the man they want! In second and third world countries this is more accepted, but with it follows a economic responsibility which young men can not provide. The young females are full of hormones and wants to get a secure familylife, not to be left alone in poverty by a unemployed youngster. People understand that.
Some girls would never consider getting an older man, that is for sure. My own perspective on age is that this; I'm 40 and I'm having trouble finding goodlooking 35 y-o colombians because they look for older well established men. I would prefer such a company more, but it's much easier for me to find a 25 y-o!
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]You guys can think whatever you want, but it's just going to hurt your own kill ratio. No skin off my nose. I'm just telling it like it is. Most university age girls in Bogota would think it's gross to be dating a guy in his 30s or 40s. Of course if you don't mind getting a real gold digger and overpaying, you shouldn't have a hard time. :P but me personally if I just want to bang some tight 20 year old, I'll go to the whiskeria and pay pennies on the dollar what you are paying.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]You guys can think whatever you want, but it's just going to hurt your own kill ratio. No skin off my nose. I'm just telling it like it is. Most university age girls in Bogota would think it's gross to be dating a guy in his 30s or 40s. Of course if you don't mind getting a real gold digger and overpaying, you shouldn't have a hard time. :P but me personally if I just want to bang some tight 20 year old, I'll go to the whiskeria and pay pennies on the dollar what you are paying.[/QUOTE]Funny! You must be hanging out in a different Colombia than I am.
My plate is full of sweet young Colombianas and it seems everyday I meet a new one.
Gold diggers, nope. Overpay, jamas
Good luck
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]You guys can think whatever you want, but it's just going to hurt your own kill ratio. No skin off my nose. I'm just telling it like it is. Most university age girls in Bogota would think it's gross to be dating a guy in his 30s or 40s. Of course if you don't mind getting a real gold digger and overpaying, you shouldn't have a hard time. :P but me personally if I just want to bang some tight 20 year old, I'll go to the whiskeria and pay pennies on the dollar what you are paying.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about Colombia or USA?
I do not think that the actual number of years matters so much (unless it's USA with all it's fucked up mentality and laws). How you look and behave is more important. And of course when you have a job and money, that compensates for extra years.
One 18 y.o. student in Medellin was asking me to be her BF. I'm in my mid 30s'. As someone here said "middle aged", whatever that means:) But sometimes people think I'm about 25, when they do not see my gray hair, also in a good physical shape.
According to this girl, a 30+ y.o. guy is normal for a 18 y.o. girl. She said that I'm actually very young. So dating a guy almost twice her age is considered pretty normal at least by some girls. So if you're 50, a 25 y.o. girl should be just about right for you:)
On the other hand once I talked to one 18 y.o. American girl, she freaked out when learned about my age. It's not that she did not like me so much, it was mostly because she was scared what others would think if they know my age.
Suerte
[QUOTE=World Travel 69]I guess you have not left HOME YET?[/QUOTE]How did you know?? In my country (Peru) it is tradition to leave home when married but I will do it soon as I see no wedding near.
I vastly prefer Colombia over the USA, but in some areas women are the same all over.
The idea that 18 year old girls PREFER to be with 30+ guys instead of university age guys for any other reason than money is just an ILLUSION. There may be exceptions, but the rule of thumb is the same as it is anywhere else on earth.
If you are just into screwing these girls, that's fine. If you start to buy their line, it's your funeral if you're wrong.
As for my report history, it's not that hard to search. I've given plenty good advice on here.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I vastly prefer Colombia over the USA, but in some areas women are the same all over.
The idea that 18 year old girls PREFER to be with 30+ guys instead of university age guys for any other reason than money is just an ILLUSION. There may be exceptions, but the rule of thumb is the same as it is anywhere else on earth.
If you are just into screwing these girls, that's fine. If you start to buy their line, it's your funeral if you're wrong.
As for my report history, it's not that hard to search. I've given plenty good advice on here.[/QUOTE]Dude,
Where did this "but the rule of thumb" came from? And why does it have to be the same everywhere on the earth?
I actually know so many examples, that I come to a conclusion that there is no any rule!
- There are many couples in the USA where the woman is older(sometimes much older) than the man. BTW I was told in Colombia there are also many cases like that.
- There are also many couples of exactly the same age.
- And now to break all the "rules" and kill our "theories" we have been trying to develop here:
I have one friend in the USA. He is illegal, broke, does not have money for an apartment or anything else, except buzz to get fucked up.
He is now 38y.e. But he looks and behaves much younger then his age.
His first wife was 19 when he was 35. Now he has his second wife who is also 19. he also fucks her 21 y.o. sister. I actually cannot recall any girl over 21 of those who were with him.
For me it does not make any sense how in the hell he gets those girls and what their logic behind their actions. I could spend $$$ and money dating a girl, with a pretty slim chance to get something good out of it. (value for money and time spent) The guy simply does not give a shit, he has nothing to lose, and the girls do not expect much from him.
Now try to apply any of the "rules" or theories to this. It's not a single case, its been a number of girls who preferred to date/marry/fuck this much older broke guy.
The girls actually always had a choice to be with much younger guys and with guys with money. for some reason they hang out with the guys almost twice older than them, who is broke. The 21y.o. chick gives him a ride. And her parents are buying them a car so they can finally drive.
So now how can one generalize and try to predict what inside of every girl head?
From different examples i would say there is no rules. Your age is not the number of years, it's how you feel, look and behave. and this is what probably a girl will think about you.
And similarly I would feel about the girls. In general I would prefer a younger girl, but if an older girl is more beautiful and nicer than younger, than I would prefer an older one. Who cares about the number of years?
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I vastly prefer Colombia over the USA, but in some areas women are the same all over.
The idea that 18 year old girls PREFER to be with 30+ guys instead of university age guys for any other reason than money is just an ILLUSION. There may be exceptions, but the rule of thumb is the same as it is anywhere else on earth.
If you are just into screwing these girls, that's fine. If you start to buy their line, it's your funeral if you're wrong.
As for my report history, it's not that hard to search. I've given plenty good advice on here.[/QUOTE]Again, very funny. Like the culture is the same everywhere.
And what are you talking about with the 'it's your funeral if you're wrong'?
You obviously have had some bad luck with younger chicas, but it's really pretty common these younger chicas hangin with older dudes.
About every Colombianita I speak with is tired of the young Colombianos, and they'd love to have an older, but cool novio.
If they're telling you that they don't dig older guys, well maybe it's because they're not diggin the older guy they're talking too :)
Can't even believe it's being debated really.
We're talking about Colombia not Omaha, Nebraska, aren't we? :)
That's why it's a rule of thumb, it doesn't apply in all cases.
Hopefully it wont in mine either!
That's why it's a rule of thumb, it doesn't apply in all cases. Hopefully it doesn't apply in mine either. I really like this girl.
Those of you that have met nice women in Colombia but had doubts about her status? (pro/non-pro/normal etc.) What were some of the methods you used without destroying her trust to check up on her. My last trip to Medellin, I met up with a woman I met online. We went on two dates between my visits to MP's, SC's etc. I never made a move on her as my gut told me to take it slow. After the second date, she came back to my apartment and we just talked for about 2 hours.
She did not act like a pro but I always play it safe, my trust has to be earned. We had a great time, she never asked for anything and she accepted some Victorias Secret lotion and wash after 3 attempts to give it to her.
We have stayed in contact since February, she emails me 1-2 x's a week telling about her job and home life. Hey, I don't live in Colombia so I don't know if she
is being honest or clever. So to those of you that have been in the same position, how did you handle it?
I'am no rookie and have met many women during my escapades in different countries. This is the first one I met, that made me pause...hmmm!
I will be back in Medellin in about three weeks and she really could be a keeper? Whatever that means:)
Enjoy!
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13 die in fights with FARC
Saturday, 30 May 2009 08:21 Adriaan Alsema
An offensive by the FARC in different places in Colombia Friday left eight members of the security forces and five guerrillas dead and one government official kidnapped by guerrillas.
Five soldiers and five guerrillas died when the FARC attacked an army squadron in the Meta dpeartment, close to the border with the Guaviare department. Several soldiers were injured in this combat.
The army says it is still trying to catch the guerrillas that attacked the army troops.
In Huila, three men died when guerrillas attacked the town of Garzon and attacked one of the city's council members. According to official sources, the guerrillas were planning a massive kidnapping of local representatives, but were stopped by the guards.
[QUOTE=Funkignitor]What is the best part in colombia for girls with white skin and black hair?[/QUOTE]El Choco and Buenaventura has ALOT of black hair.
[QUOTE=HoleRanger]Those of you that have met nice women in Colombia but had doubts about her status? (pro/non-pro/normal etc.) What were some of the methods you used without destroying her trust to check up on her. My last trip to Medellin, I met up with a woman I met online. We went on two dates between my visits to MP's, SC's etc. I never made a move on her as my gut told me to take it slow. After the second date, she came back to my apartment and we just talked for about 2 hours.
She did not act like a pro but I always play it safe, my trust has to be earned. We had a great time, she never asked for anything and she accepted some Victorias Secret lotion and wash after 3 attempts to give it to her.
We have stayed in contact since February, she emails me 1-2 x's a week telling about her job and home life. Hey, I don't live in Colombia so I don't know if she
is being honest or clever. So to those of you that have been in the same position, how did you handle it?
I'am no rookie and have met many women during my escapades in different countries. This is the first one I met, that made me pause...hmmm!
I will be back in Medellin in about three weeks and she really could be a keeper? Whatever that means:)
Enjoy![/QUOTE]Just my two cents- I have met around 8 online regulars chicas in 3 different countries and anytime I asked your question in a sex tourist board I was blitzed with overwelming response's that the girl is a puta and she only wants gain from me. SO asking that question here is a mistake BUT. Fortunately you have MY response!
You want to find out what her motives are? Your instincts are telling you to be carefull you don't want to be taken for a sucker!
I know the feeling. The fact she resisted the lotion is a good thing! She hasn't asked for "help" (money) that is good too. A big red flag is they are always talking about how poor they are, no money for school, and food and cell phone. I'm sure you know about that stuff being a monger.
How do you find out without destroying her trust? Ask her! Yep ask her how does she feel about what happend to your friend jose when his colombian amiga asked him for money for her bills. Ask her if she ever though about living in the USA (I assume thats where your from)
My friend the biggest mistake I ever regretted was being nice to girls on dates, I have been on 30 dates with 3 different latinas here in NY and never got a kiss. Why? Because I'm being nice and waiting. Blah blah. GO FOR IT MAN make the move and if she dosent reciprocate then you know the deal. Life is too short to waste your time on stories with a bad ending. I hope I helped.
QR
[QUOTE=Que Rico]
I know the feeling. The fact she resisted the lotion is a good thing! She hasn't asked for "help" (money) that is good too. A big red flag is they are always talking about how poor they are, no money for school, and food and cell phone. I'm sure you know about that stuff being a monger.
How do you find out without destroying her trust? Ask her! Yep ask her how does she feel about what happend to your friend jose when his colombian amiga asked him for money for her bills. Ask her if she ever though about living in the USA (I assume thats where your from)
QR[/QUOTE]All good points, after the first month of our ongoing communication, I told her I was only communicating because she never asked for anything. Never talks about the need of money for anything, she does tell me about work which takes a lot of her time and energy. She did say she wants to stay in Colombia with her family but you never know? I will step lightly.
Thanks for the comments.
Enjoy!
Like most of the eternal debates on Colombia forums, there is some truth to both sides of the debate about age differences and Colombian women.
For most guys on this forum, the debate is pointless. Each Gringo in Colombia has his own particular preferences and priorities. Some prefer prostitutes, some prefer prepagos and some prefer "normal" women. Most guys on this forum focus on prostitutes. You can shoot caged lions at any age. Age differences are irrelevant with prostitutes.
The water starts to get a little murkier with prepagos. Prepagos are simply a subcategory of prostitutes that have the ability to be selective. Some prepagos are more selective than others.
In the case of "normal" women, age is definitely a factor. However, it is only one factor. Furthermore, age is not nearly the most important factor.
The biggest obstacle to having a "serious" relationship with a "normal" Colombian woman is stigma. Colombians assume (often justifiably) that a Gringo in Colombia is desperate. This assumption is the biggest disadvantage of travel to Colombia.
If you go to many Latin American countries, there is diverse tourism in those countries. In Colombia, there are relatively few foreign business travelers. In Colombia, there are relatively few foreigners traveling as a family. In Colombia, there are relatively few foreign female travelers.
Most foreign tourists in Colombia are men, and most of those foreign men are traveling alone. Most foreign tourists in Colombia are not there to learn Spanish, visit ancient ruins, go surfing, etc. So why are the Gringos in Colombia?
If you were Colombian, what would you assume? Desperation (real or assumed) is not attractive to women.
Therefore, worrying about age is not productive. Find your balls, and develop some genuine self-confidence. I have seen countless Colombian men old enough to be my father dating Colombian women young enough to be my daughter. If Colombian guys can do it, then so can you.
Likewise, I have seen fat Colombian guys with young and beautiful Colombian women. I have seen short Colombian guys with young and beautiful Colombian women. I have seen bald Colombian guys with young and beautiful Colombian women. And so on and so forth. If Colombian guys can do it, then so can you.
In the interest of clarity, however, age is a factor. Some Colombian women do not consider age a factor, but most do.
Colombian women are experts at telling men what they want to hear. If a Colombian woman says age is not a factor, this usually means it is not a factor in your particular case. Maybe you are tall whereas many Colombian men are short. Maybe you have blond hair whereas most Colombian men have dark hair. Maybe you have light eyes whereas most Colombian men have dark eyes. Maybe you are educated and interesting whereas most Colombian men are uneducated. Maybe you are financially successful whereas most Colombian men are not.
Outside of Colombia in other countries of Latin America, I usually see Gringos with women that are more attractive than the average woman in those countries. Colombia is the exception. Colombia is the only place I have been in Latin America where I consistently see Gringos with women that are less attractive than the average woman in Colombia. Of course, this further reinforces the stereotype among Colombians that Gringos (or at least Gringos in Colombia) are desperate.
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Anyone here have a list of the cases and strip joints in Periera.
Thanks,
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[QUOTE=Vics Picks]I use Pingo for calling So. America and just picked up Magic Jack for my laptop. My question is when I am in Colombia can I use magic jack to call citys in Colombia,via pingo? The reason I would want to do that is it would mask where I was calling from plus I could call from my room and all my numbers are already programed in Pingo. I think it would also be cheaper than using a local cell phone.
Has anyone done this?
Thanks in advance for any input[/QUOTE]Yes I can use Magic to call to So. America when I am there and it works. It costs for the call, but it comes out as my USA number.
On another note calls to and from the USA while in So. A merica are free . All you need is an internet connection.
It's not hard to get laid with a university age girl here. It's only if you want to see her on the reg then things get complicated.
Normally I don't have any serious relationships with women under 25 or so. I wanted to make an exception in this case with a 20 year old. It didn't work, but I don't know how much honestly age had to do with it. The fact that I have two kids back in the US probably didn't help much either.
Have any of you gents ever married a Colombian woman (for real or for just benefits)?
Would you care to share some of your experiences?
I am currently talking with a nice lady from Colombia. I am seriously thinking about it and I wanted to know what the marriage experience was like with a Colombian?
I don't plan to have children if I get married and most of my assets can't be touched during a divorce.
Thanks
Nobody cares. Get it! Nobody marries colombianas when you can get laid for free without marry then. Your question should be. How can I get laid with a colombiana without having to marry them? With that we can give you many advises mr coolmorris. If you seriously thinking about marry this girl JUST DO IT! Stop asking us for advise or perhaps that's your only game to talk to colombianas about marriage then you get notice. I'll be in Medellin next month for la feria your are welcome to come get some lessons how to play this game. But if you still want to get marry to your colombiana then fine. But watch out my friend your neighbor might be bangging her and you would not have a clue about it. Yes he will be getting your benefits of you hard earn marry Colombiana.
[QUOTE=Cool Morris]Have any of you gents ever married a Colombian woman (for real or for just benefits)?
Would you care to share some of your experiences?
I am currently talking with a nice lady from Colombia. I am seriously thinking about it and I wanted to know what the marriage experience was like with a Colombian?
I don't plan to have children if I get married and most of my assets can't be touched during a divorce.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cool Morris]Have any of you gents ever married a Colombian woman (for real or for just benefits)?
Would you care to share some of your experiences?
I am currently talking with a nice lady from Colombia. I am seriously thinking about it and I wanted to know what the marriage experience was like with a Colombian?
I don't plan to have children if I get married and most of my assets can't be touched during a divorce.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Tend to agree I'm afraid: wrong site. But in all honesty someone else's experience won't be yours anyway. And geralisations are always wrong :)
Rule #1: if you have any doubts, don't do it.
Pretty much covers all bases.
I have met a super beautiful 20 year old who wants to travel. We plan to go to San Andrés. She is so perfect that I hardely believes it´s true!
This young female is so sexi that she easily could be a famous model.
Of course, I feel that a big surprise might occur!
But I like the idea- it´s dangerous!
I will keep you guys informed.
If it happens, it might become the experience of a lifetime!
Friend of mine wants to do commercial photos using some of the girls here.
Anyone got any idea what's the legal age the girls can do that at? Maybe its the same as for commercial sex work?
[QUOTE=Flying Frenchman]MJG dogs,
I decided to become a member here yesterday, after having posted on several other boards for years, including the Costa Rica board you are a member of. I also met you many years ago at the Del Rey, when you tried to proposition me for sx in one of your drunken states, and was asked to leave the premisis. I was just another in a long line of people you have done this to. I also see you are harassing members just like on the other boards you are apart of, but never posting any actual reports. Some things never change. For other members here I lived in Costa Rica for quite some time on a long term work assignment, but returned to live in Fontainebleau, France after my contract was completed. I am thinking of making a trip back to Costa Rica for old times sake in September, but am strongly considering making a first trip to Colombia instead of Costa Rica, because I really like the look of the Colombian girls. Medellin sounds like a good starting point. The only drawback is my lack of being able to speak spanish, but it seems many others have been in my situation from what I have read, and do quite well. Considering staying at "My Place" operated by Frank Casio. His reports and pics are awesome. The draw back is it does not have a place that is similar to the Del Rey in Costa Rica, which is alot of fun.[/QUOTE]You lived in Costa Rica "for quite some time" and you don't speak any spanish? No offense sir but what did you do while you were there,live under a rock?
Very clever Flying Frenchman.
Maybe you should stay in the Del rey with your drunkin buffoons.
[QUOTE=Pixelpirata]I have met a super beautiful 20 year old who wants to travel. We plan to go to San Andrés. She is so perfect that I hardely believes it´s true!
This young female is so sexi that she easily could be a famous model.
Of course, I feel that a big surprise might occur!
But I like the idea- it´s dangerous!
I will keep you guys informed.
If it happens, it might become the experience of a lifetime![/QUOTE]Wow this is so enlightening! One of the best posts of the year!
[QUOTE=Flying Frenchman]MJG dogs,
I change. For other members here I lived in Costa Rica for quite some time on a long term work assignment, but returned to live in Fontainebleau, France
but am strongly considering making a first trip to Colombia instead of Costa Rica, because I really like the look of the Colombian girls. Medellin sounds like a good starting point. The only drawback is my lack of being able to speak spanish, but it seems many others have been in my situation from what I have read, and do quite well. to the Del Rey in Costa Rica, which is alot of fun.[/QUOTE]Costa Rica is for bottom feeders that can't learn. MDE is for smart people. It is hard to believe you lived and worked in CR fro "quite some time" and did not learn Spanish, sheesh, these are latino countries, after all. IF you do not speak Spanish you can still have a good time in MDE, but you will have a much better experience if you can speak with people.
Chau,
Jazz in MDE
Of course, it helps to speak Spanish. You could try to take a quick course before you come, get some basics. Get a French/Spanish dictionary and carry it with you everywhere you go. You don't need a pickup line. Being a traveler and French is enough for initial interest.
There's an old joke: The English fuck with their cock, the French fuck with their face'. WOMEN HERE LOVE TO HAVE THEIR PUSSY SUCKED. I have a 'regular' girl who comes to see me about twice a week when she wants to be fucked. I can't keep my mouth off her shaven pussy. She's no help at all, doesn't even try to resist. I think she abuses the fact that I'm addicted to oral sex.
Sometimes I feel so used.
Women are very approachable. Smile at a woman if you make eye contact, if she smiles back, go and talk to her, about anything. Tell her you're new to the area. Ask her how to say something in Spanish, where something is, if she will have a coffee with you. Very quickly they will take over the conversation as they love to have someone listen to them.
If you're into pros, Medellin is the place. If you want to game normal girls, you might want to get out where there aren't so many gringos, and you're a person of interest. I live in one of the other cities in the Zona Cafetal, and I only know one other gringo. I see a few from time to time. It's not a tourist town.
Anything specific I can help you with, just ask.
El Minetero
[QUOTE=Manizales911]You lived in Costa Rica "for quite some time" and you don't speak any spanish? No offense sir but what did you do while you were there,live under a rock?[/QUOTE]Bit odd for a Frenchman. Usually it's us gringos who live in a place for years without ever learning more of the language then "beer" and "wh*re". Welcome to the English-speaking world FF! )
[QUOTE=Flying Frenchman]Good day Mr. Manizales,
Let me clarify part of my post that dealt with my ability to speak spanish. I have a knowledge of the spanish language that could get me by in Costa Rica, but I am not so sure about Colombia. There is also quite abit of english spoken in Costa Rica so I was able to get by. French is my native language as I spent most of my life in France, but do speak english very well. I also took a basic spanish course quite a few years ago, which I was reimbursed for by the company I am employed with. I was originally scheduled to go and work in Venezuela, but when our contract was could not be agreed upon, I accepted a position with our company that brought me to Costa Rica, where I resided for 18 months.
This is where I came in contact with MJG dogs, as he used to come into the Del Rey, and that is where he would get drunk, and proposition men, including myself. That is a fact. More than once he was asked to leave for this behavior. He also created many arguments on the Costa Rica board I belong to, always wants to argue and insult others, but provide no information. Very wierd man, even talks to himself.
As I posted in my previous post, I am considering a trip to Colombia, and I am here to research the information, because this site contains much more information than the other forums I belong to. If I feel after doing my research that I will not have a good time in Colombia, I will go and visit old friends in Costa Rica, so it is a win win holiday for me. I am really interested in Medellin, because of the reports and pictures posted my Mr. Frank Casio, who has a rental property called "My Place", which I am sure every reader of the forum knows about. I am sorry I did not clarify that I do have spanish speaking skills, but they are very basic and limited. Enough to get by in Costa Rica, but I am hoping to see how they workout in the country of Colombia for my 3 week holiday.[/QUOTE]OK now that you clarified I would recommend brushing up as much as you can on your limited spanish skills, buy a pocket dictionary and book your flight to Medellin because CR sucks (in a bad way) compared to the city of eternal pussy.
For non-sex insights on Colombia, read [url]www.gringos.com[/url].
Jackson, I sometimes refer people from there to ISG, so it's mutually beneficial.
El Minetero
Hey guys,
I'm new to the board, but this subject doesn't appear to be discussed much. Does anyone have any experience with the local escort sites (e-extasis, lafeemme, afroditasyangeles, etc.? Some of the escort profiles seem to good to be true. Be it Beijing or Montreal, my limited experience mongering has found that it's typically the case. But you never know! ? ! I'll be visiting Bogota and Medellin for the first time soon and would like to see the best of what Colombia has to offer. I'll be staying in some of the big hotels and I'll be working often so I don't have much time to monger around in shopping malls. I speak basic to fair level Spanish. Any suggestions for Bogota or Medellin are much appreciated.
Thanks in advance guys! Great forums BTW!
Read the reports and you'll find the answer to your questions.
[QUOTE=Mikele]Hey guys,
I'm new to the board, but this subject doesn't appear to be discussed much. Does anyone have any experience with the local escort sites (e-extasis, lafeemme, afroditasyangeles, etc.? Some of the escort profiles seem to good to be true. Be it Beijing or Montreal, my limited experience mongering has found that it's typically the case. But you never know! ? ! I'll be visiting Bogota and Medellin for the first time soon and would like to see the best of what Colombia has to offer. I'll be staying in some of the big hotels and I'll be working often so I don't have much time to monger around in shopping malls. I speak basic to fair level Spanish. Any suggestions for Bogota or Medellin are much appreciated.
Thanks in advance guys! Great forums BTW![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]Friend of mine wants to do commercial photos using some of the girls here.
Anyone got any idea what's the legal age the girls can do that at? Maybe its the same as for commercial sex work?[/QUOTE]Personally, regardless of the law, I would not go near anyone under 18. Moreover, I would take a copy of the ID for my records.
Hello! Iam planning to travel to Colombia in October. Its gonna be my first time. I would like to know which is the best destination for me Bogota or Medellin! I would like to know also some informations about friendly visitors hotels and in general what is hapening with the giilrs, prices and places to go. I am asking all the above because iam going to travel alone andi want to get as much information as I can.
Thanks in advance
[QUOTE=Professor 1]Personally, regardless of the law, I would not go near anyone under 18. Moreover, I would take a copy of the ID for my records.[/QUOTE]Everyone here is required to have a cedula at age 18. No cedula, not of age.
[QUOTE=FireWalker]Everyone here is required to have a cedula at age 18. No cedula, not of age.[/QUOTE]I think all chicas are required to lose their cedulas at least once and go thru the pain in the ass process of getting a replacement.
So really your rule doesn't always hold true.
[QUOTE=Mikele]Hey guys,
I'm new to the board, but this subject doesn't appear to be discussed much. Does anyone have any experience with the local escort sites (e-extasis, lafeemme, afroditasyangeles, etc.? Some of the escort profiles seem to good to be true. Be it Beijing or Montreal, my limited experience mongering has found that it's typically the case. But you never know! ? ! I'll be visiting Bogota and Medellin for the first time soon and would like to see the best of what Colombia has to offer. I'll be staying in some of the big hotels and I'll be working often so I don't have much time to monger around in shopping malls. I speak basic to fair level Spanish. Any suggestions for Bogota or Medellin are much appreciated.
Thanks in advance guys! Great forums BTW![/QUOTE]Four or five years ago almost all the photos of hot looking women on Bogota escort web sites were fakes, or at least that's what I got from reading through cataresco.********.com before my last trip. I haven't been following this recently, but take a look there or catadoresdeescorts.********.com. I'm assuming these sites aren't considered competitors to ISG since they're in Spanish and only deal with Colombian escort web sites-- if they are, apologies to the Administrator.
[QUOTE=Tiny 12]I'm assuming these sites aren't considered competitors to ISG since they're in Spanish and only deal with Colombian escort web sites-- if they are, apologies to the Administrator.[/QUOTE][blue]Hi Tiny 12,
You are correct.
Please feel free to re-post these website addresses with the letter spaced out so that the forum's editing software doesn't "asterisk out" the name.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
[QUOTE=Admin][blue]Please feel free to re-post these website addresses with the letter spaced out so that the forum's editing software doesn't "asterisk out" the name.
[/blue][/QUOTE]The newer site is catadoresdeescorts. b l o g s p o t dot com. The older site is cataresco. b l o g s p o t dot com. Taking a quick look at the new site, supposedly solitasparati, niisha, flirtbogota, and complicevip have real photos. I only saw a review of one of the three sites on Mikele's list, e-extasis. The guy ordered a woman with massive breasts and the hooker who showed up was flat as a pancake. He had previously ordered another woman from the same site who was acceptable, but he doesn't say whether she was the one in the photo.
Documentary on Caracol.
[url]http://www.caracoltv.com/producciones/informativos/septimodia/articulo144385-colombia-uno-de-los-destinos-favoritos-del-sexoturismo[/url]
[QUOTE=Otown51]Documentary on Caracol.
[url]http://www.caracoltv.com/producciones/informativos/septimodia/articulo144385-colombia-uno-de-los-destinos-favoritos-del-sexoturismo[/url][/QUOTE]The link provided is just an announcement of the broadcasting time of the documentary (Sunday after the News).
The actual documentary can be watched here:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pnHDWS4Ff8[/url]
I watched it and must say its just a sensational report without any substance.
Where I can find informations for Colombia action? I ll go October and I ll be newbie, who city must choose. Bogota or Medellin? Someone more experienced can give me his lights?
To have a gringo boyfriend is prestige. It shows that men are willing to pay huge amounts of money to be with you. Girls that don't attract gringos are less worth on the market. Gringos have money and the most beautiful one's go for them.
Poverty is reality and if you can escape that-it's worth much.
It's a very socially stratified society and it seems in their nature to show-off a lot when a person have something special. Being with a gringo is a positive thing. Latin men, latin countries are nothing. France! A boyfriend from france- that is something! (example)
Gringos are desperate, but colombianas so much more. Their desperation is not just for getting good sex- it's about survival!
[QUOTE=Client 9]Like most of the eternal debates on Colombia forums, there is some truth to both sides of the debate about age differences and Colombian women.
For most guys on this forum, the debate is pointless. Each Gringo in Colombia has his own particular preferences and priorities. Some prefer prostitutes, some prefer prepagos and some prefer "normal" women. Most guys on this forum focus on prostitutes. You can shoot caged lions at any age. Age differences are irrelevant with prostitutes.
The water starts to get a little murkier with prepagos. Prepagos are simply a subcategory of prostitutes that have the ability to be selective. Some prepagos are more selective than others.
In the case of "normal" women, age is definitely a factor. However, it is only one factor. Furthermore, age is not nearly the most important factor.
The biggest obstacle to having a "serious" relationship with a "normal" Colombian woman is stigma. Colombians assume (often justifiably) that a Gringo in Colombia is desperate. This assumption is the biggest disadvantage of travel to Colombia.
If you go to many Latin American countries, there is diverse tourism in those countries. In Colombia, there are relatively few foreign business travelers. In Colombia, there are relatively few foreigners traveling as a family. In Colombia, there are relatively few foreign female travelers.
Most foreign tourists in Colombia are men, and most of those foreign men are traveling alone. Most foreign tourists in Colombia are not there to learn Spanish, visit ancient ruins, go surfing, etc. So why are the Gringos in Colombia?
If you were Colombian, what would you assume? Desperation (real or assumed) is not attractive to women.
Therefore, worrying about age is not productive. Find your balls, and develop some genuine self-confidence. I have seen countless Colombian men old enough to be my father dating Colombian women young enough to be my daughter. If Colombian guys can do it, then so can you.
Likewise, I have seen fat Colombian guys with young and beautiful Colombian women. I have seen short Colombian guys with young and beautiful Colombian women. I have seen bald Colombian guys with young and beautiful Colombian women. And so on and so forth. If Colombian guys can do it, then so can you.
In the interest of clarity, however, age is a factor. Some Colombian women do not consider age a factor, but most do.
Colombian women are experts at telling men what they want to hear. If a Colombian woman says age is not a factor, this usually means it is not a factor in your particular case. Maybe you are tall whereas many Colombian men are short. Maybe you have blond hair whereas most Colombian men have dark hair. Maybe you have light eyes whereas most Colombian men have dark eyes. Maybe you are educated and interesting whereas most Colombian men are uneducated. Maybe you are financially successful whereas most Colombian men are not.
Outside of Colombia in other countries of Latin America, I usually see Gringos with women that are more attractive than the average woman in those countries. Colombia is the exception. Colombia is the only place I have been in Latin America where I consistently see Gringos with women that are less attractive than the average woman in Colombia. Of course, this further reinforces the stereotype among Colombians that Gringos (or at least Gringos in Colombia) are desperate.
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[QUOTE=Pixelpirata]To have a gringo boyfriend is prestige. It shows that men are willing to pay huge amounts of money to be with you. Girls that don't attract gringos are less worth on the market. Gringos have money and the most beautiful one's go for them.
Poverty is reality and if you can escape that-it's worth much.
It's a very socially stratified society and it seems in their nature to show-off a lot when a person have something special. Being with a gringo is a positive thing. Latin men, latin countries are nothing. France! A boyfriend from france- that is something! (example)
Gringos are desperate, but colombianas so much more. Their desperation is not just for getting good sex- it's about survival![/QUOTE]Age NOT a factor. Know who you are, and what you want. You only get what you play for. One thing: whether you have kids or not seems to be more important to them than how old you. You get qualified on your ablility to support your mujer.
[QUOTE=Manizales911]OK now that you clarified I would recommend brushing up as much as you can on your limited spanish skills, buy a pocket dictionary and book your flight to Medellin because CR sucks (in a bad way) compared to the city of eternal pussy.[/QUOTE]This is so correct. CR is the worst of the worst compared to MDE. And there are a lot of beautiful women and people in CR. In fact the Costa Ricans are delightful, but San Jose, CR, is the worst city, disorganized, dirty, relatively poor food, dangerous, and there is only the gulch.
In MDE, the city is organized, clean, excellent food, safe compared to CR, there are a bazillion things to see and do besides look for chicas, and the Colombianas in CR, come from here. The crowd that loves CR, please stay there.
Chau,
Jazz in MDE
[QUOTE=Pixelpirata]To have a gringo boyfriend is prestige. It shows that men are willing to pay huge amounts of money to be with you. Girls that don't attract gringos are less worth on the market. Gringos have money and the most beautiful one's go for them.[/QUOTE]Well maybe. But I doubt that many gringos in MDE have as much money as some of the locals, so I'm not sure this argument holds water.
[QUOTE=JazzPlayer]....In MDE, the city is organized, clean, excellent food, safe compared to CR, there are a bazillion things to see and do besides look for chicas....[/QUOTE]Hi Jazz, please may I ask you, what exactly is possible to do besides look for chicas in Medellin?
Cause I have to decide between MDE and Cartagena in beginning of new year and more than one friend told me, MDE have better and cheaper girls, but so far as I am looking for to have the feeling of real holiday, beach, swimm in ocean, get tanned, so Cartagena maybe is better choice for me.
I am also worrying about what to do exactly in MDE besides chica?
Thanks a lot ;)
1) Escort services in Bogota, just like anywhere else on Earth, often bait and switch. A better strategy is to make friends at a whiskeria and get the numb er for take-out and/or later outcall.
2) The legal age of consent in Colombia is 14, 18 to be a sex worker. However you can be charged with a lesser charge of "estupro" if the girl is under 18. Fake cedulas can be gotten cheaply. Caveat emptor.
3) Speaking as a gringo who lives here full time, being a gringo is NOT all it's cracked up to be. You'll certainly get laid more than the average Colombian guy, but in terms of long term relationships it's something Colombianas actually take flak for. If anybody tells you different they are lying through their teeth, usually behind some ulterior motive. My current wife took a LOT of flak from her family before they finally accepted us, and that's not the only example I know of.
This is so spot on. In general, be VERY careful about buying that line of "the girls will do anything to get out of poverty". ESPECIALLY when ALL of Colombia means "poverty" to you in your limited understanding of the place!
The LAST thing you want to be in in this country is in the role of Captain Save-A-Ho. It's like smoking crack, but worse for you!
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]Well maybe. But I doubt that many gringos in MDE have as much money as some of the locals, so I'm not sure this argument holds water.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pixelpirata]To have a gringo boyfriend is prestige. It shows that men are willing to pay huge amounts of money to be with you. Girls that don't attract gringos are less worth on the market. Gringos have money and the most beautiful one's go for them.
Poverty is reality and if you can escape that-it's worth much.
It's a very socially stratified society and it seems in their nature to show-off a lot when a person have something special. Being with a gringo is a positive thing. Latin men, latin countries are nothing. France! A boyfriend from france- that is something! (example)
Gringos are desperate, but colombianas so much more. Their desperation is not just for getting good sex- it's about survival![/QUOTE]Bullshit
The most beautiful girls in Medellin couldn't give a fuck about gringos. They are with rich colombians, narcos etc etc
The only girls that a desperate for a fat, ugly, rich, middle aged gringos are the poor girls from the barrios. Who use the desperate loser gringos (that can't get laid anywhere else in the world) for their money.
Being with a gringo is not looked upon as prestige anymore. In fact it is fast becoming looked down on. Prepago labelling etc etc
If you think the most beautiful women in Medellin want a gringo you're pissing up a drain pipe.
I am planning a week long trip this month to Columbia, and can't make up mind about which city from following to visit. Any suggestions. I will post detail report once I get back, I promise.
Medellin
Bogota
Cali
Cartagena
[QUOTE=Lukasek]Hi Jazz, please may I ask you, what exactly is possible to do besides look for chicas in Medellin?
Cause I have to decide between MDE and Cartagena in beginning of new year and more than one friend told me, MDE have better and cheaper girls, but so far as I am looking for to have the feeling of real holiday, beach, swimm in ocean, get tanned, so Cartagena maybe is better choice for me.
I am also worrying about what to do exactly in MDE besides chica?
Thanks a lot ;)[/QUOTE]Sounds like you like the beach so forget MDE, unless you like waterparks and there is a great one just north of MDE.
In my first four trips here I never did anything but look for chicas and do casas. So saying that you better stick to Tungs List and be done with it or just go to the beach.
I like the Metro and Metro Cable, but I get off and walk around _some_ barrios. I like Santa Elena to buy flowers for my apartment have lunch and take in the views of MDE below, Sabaneta for delicious wood-fired oven chocolo and meat of any kind. I love to hang out in the parks meeting new people and saying hello to other passers-by, eating green papaya with salt and limon, all the while drinking a cold beer. I enjoy the Jardin Botanico very much. I take novias there for lunch and time well spent. There is an exhibition of 100 Picasso works in Museo de Antioquia, that's very cool. I love going to the mercado majorista and minorista in the morning when there are a bazzilion people crowding into the place selling the most incredible volume and array of fresh produce and meat I have ever seen. I like walking around El Centro with the buzz of people everywhere. I like Asados 80 for great steak and any Mondongo's for, what else, mondongos. I really like reading El Colombiano and drinking cafe tinto in the morning at virtually any place outdoors. I like the free concerts in the parks and the artisans that come in to virtually every park on the weekends to sell their goods. I like taking the day trip to Santa Fe Antioquia and hanging out in old colonial style. I even like Parque Explora because the exhibit explainers are often really intelligent and often female. I love to go the Obilisk and watch futbol and drink beer when DIM is playing in the Estado and lastly I like to dance with the chicas on La 70 but not recently because of the mess of construction there.
Que mas?
That's a lot and you can meet interesting people all the while.
Chau,
Jazz in MDE
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[QUOTE=Thair9999]I am planning a week long trip this month to Columbia, and can't make up mind about which city from following to visit. Any suggestions. I will post detail report once I get back, I promise.
Medellin
Bogota
Cali
Cartagena[/QUOTE]Wow. Uh, that would be Colombia you are planning to visit. You may want to consider San Jose, Costa Rica ;-). It's easier to spell.
Chau from MDE,
Jazz
[QUOTE=JazzPlayer]Sounds like you like the beach so forget MDE, unless you like waterparks and there is a great one just north of MDE.
In my first four trips here I never did anything but look for chicas and do casas. So saying that you better stick to Tungs List and be done with it or just go to the beach.
I like the Metro and Metro Cable, but I get off and walk around _some_ barrios. I like Santa Elena to buy flowers for my apartment have lunch and take in the views of MDE below, Sabaneta for delicious wood-fired oven chocolo and meat of any kind. I love to hang out in the parks meeting new people and saying hello to other passers-by, eating green papaya with salt and limon, all the while drinking a cold beer. I enjoy the Jardin Botanico very much. I take novias there for lunch and time well spent. There is an exhibition of 100 Picasso works in Museo de Antioquia, that's very cool. I love going to the mercado majorista and minorista in the morning when there are a bazzilion people crowding into the place selling the most incredible volume and array of fresh produce and meat I have ever seen. I like walking around El Centro with the buzz of people everywhere. I like Asados 80 for great steak and any Mondongo's for, what else, mondongos. I really like reading El Colombiano and drinking cafe tinto in the morning at virtually any place outdoors. I like the free concerts in the parks and the artisans that come in to virtually every park on the weekends to sell their goods. I like taking the day trip to Santa Fe Antioquia and hanging out in old colonial style. I even like Parque Explora because the exhibit explainers are often really intelligent and often female. I love to go the Obilisk and watch futbol and drink beer when DIM is playing in the Estado and lastly I like to dance with the chicas on La 70 but not recently because of the mess of construction there.
Que mas?
That's a lot and you can meet interesting people all the while.
Chau,
Jazz in MDE
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I have to agree with you that Medellin does have more to offer than just chasing the chicas, however, for the typical gringo visitor, the chicas chasin' will be 99% of their trip.
First of all, to really enjoy mixing it up with the locals, just hanging out in parks, dance clubs, outdoor cafes, etc, etc, a guy really has to be able to speak spanish, and not just 'buenos dias', 'tu eres bonita' basics.
Secondly, a guy must have a bit of an adventurous, outgoing spirit which it seems you have.
Honestly, for most guys, it's hit the casas, grab a bite to eat, hit the strip clubs and/or prepagos, sleep and repeat the following day with sometimes a little variation. Maybe the ever-exciting visit to Mangos.
That's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just typical.
Cartagena may offer a bit more for the beach lover type, however, as guys that have been there know, it's no beach paradise.
If ya love the beach and sexy chicas, Brazil is the place to be.
Good luck amigos.
Thanks, JazzPlayer for English lesson. You must be in politics, because you just solved a non-existing problem. Again thanks for your input.
[QUOTE=JazzPlayer]Wow. Uh, that would be Colombia you are planning to visit. You may want to consider San Jose, Costa Rica ;-). It's easier to spell.
Chau from MDE,
Jazz[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gary Groundwork]Bullshit
The most beautiful girls in Medellin couldn't give a fuck about gringos. They are with rich colombians, narcos etc etc
The only girls that a desperate for a fat, ugly, rich, middle aged gringos are the poor girls from the barrios. Who use the desperate loser gringos (that can't get laid anywhere else in the world) for their money.
Being with a gringo is not looked upon as prestige anymore. In fact it is fast becoming looked down on. Prepago labelling etc etc
If you think the most beautiful women in Medellin want a gringo you're pissing up a drain pipe.[/QUOTE]Couldn't have said it any better myself.. "Being with a gringo is not looked upon as prestige anymore. In fact it is fast becoming looked down on. Prepago labelling etc etc" This part especially!
[QUOTE=Lukasek]Hi Jazz, please may I ask you, what exactly is possible to do besides look for chicas in Medellin?
Cause I have to decide between MDE and Cartagena in beginning of new year and more than one friend told me, MDE have better and cheaper girls, but so far as I am looking for to have the feeling of real holiday, beach, swimm in ocean, get tanned, so Cartagena maybe is better choice for me.
I am also worrying about what to do exactly in MDE besides chica?
Thanks a lot ;)[/QUOTE]Here here! Somebody once told me that the Botero museum is nice for about 5 minutes.
Jajjaja lol
[QUOTE=Ricker]Hey Jazz,
I have to agree with you that Medellin does have more to offer than just chasing the chicas, however, for the typical gringo visitor, the chicas chasin' will be 99% of their trip.
First of all, to really enjoy mixing it up with the locals, just hanging out in parks, dance clubs, outdoor cafes, etc, etc, a guy really has to be able to speak spanish, and not just 'buenos dias', 'tu eres bonita' basics.
Secondly, a guy must have a bit of an adventurous, outgoing spirit which it seems you have.
Honestly, for most guys, it's hit the casas, grab a bite to eat, hit the strip clubs and/or prepagos, sleep and repeat the following day with sometimes a little variation. Maybe the ever-exciting visit to Mangos.
That's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just typical.
Cartagena may offer a bit more for the beach lover type, however, as guys that have been there know, it's no beach paradise.
If ya love the beach and sexy chicas, Brazil is the place to be.
Good luck amigos.[/QUOTE]Ditto,
See, my day is pretty much. Wake up, eat, hit some casas for some serious banging, walk around, eat, then nap, arrange NON PROS for the evening. I can really concentrate on schmoozing and keeping my spanish and game at the highest levels. I don't need to be aggressive and the ladies will think I am the non pretentious nice guy. If I do happen to get something out if it besides brownie points, Its just all gravy!
Is there a Colombian site similar to craigslist?
[QUOTE=Alcapon39]Is there a Colombian site similar to craigslist?[/QUOTE]there are several sites like craigslist outside the usa. for example:
[url]http://www.mundoanuncio.com/zona/colombia_12.html[/url]
Zing
[QUOTE=Alcapon39]Is there a Colombian site similar to craigslist?[/QUOTE]You might try: colombia.en.craigslist dot org
It's "similar".
Does anyone have info on Armenia, such as hotels, clubs chicas etc.?
Why this nervous outlook?
Of course colombianas wants to get a rich gringo.
Of course it matters how you look, it always does.
How many rich colombians are there? 10? 100? Out of x-millions!
Gringos with a young fresh girl have always been viewed with sceptism, but who cares?
It's a competition between girls to get the best deal- for life!
Pretty one's get's rich boyfriends, colombians or extranjeros, the other's get nothing but trouble, the normal state for most colombians.
Which of these two cities have better girls?
Cali or Cartagena? I am a water guy so Cartagena is more appealing to me. This will be my first trip to Columbia and I am planning which city to hit. I am fluent in Spanish and do have monger game, Since I have been in DR and Cuba.
Any input is much appreciated and you can PM if you like.
El Cubanito
Cartagena there are pretty much all pros,Cali the casas suck except for one.Cartagena is better for pay for play.Cali there are non pros hot looking ones looking for gringo husband .Calis casas suck because the rich drug lords pretty much have most of them{the good looking ones} and the others leave the country.
JMHO
[QUOTE=Pixelpirata]Why this nervous outlook?
Of course colombianas wants to get a rich gringo.
Of course it matters how you look, it always does.
How many rich colombians are there? 10? 100? Out of x-millions!
Gringos with a young fresh girl have always been viewed with sceptism, but who cares?
It's a competition between girls to get the best deal- for life!
Pretty one's get's rich boyfriends, colombians or extranjeros, the other's get nothing but trouble, the normal state for most colombians.[/QUOTE]Don't forget the category "pretty, but stupid." You see a good share of those working with a couple of kids before the age of twenty.
[QUOTE=El Cubanito]Which of these two cities have better girls?
Cali or Cartagena? I am a water guy so Cartagena is more appealing to me. This will be my first trip to Columbia and I am planning which city to hit. I am fluent in Spanish and do have monger game, Since I have been in DR and Cuba.
Any input is much appreciated and you can PM if you like.
El Cubanito[/QUOTE]First time get your feet wet in CTG, then when you feel comfortable and feel ready to tackle a very unstable city.. maybe hit Cali but go with somebody experienced if applicable.
[QUOTE=El Cubanito]Which of these two cities have better girls?
Cali or Cartagena? I am a water guy so Cartagena is more appealing to me. This will be my first trip to Columbia and I am planning which city to hit. I am fluent in Spanish and do have monger game, Since I have been in DR and Cuba.
Any input is much appreciated and you can PM if you like.
El Cubanito[/QUOTE]This is funny. What is monger game? Dressing in shorts and sandals with white socks at night and overpaying?
To everybody who responded to my question on this board.
Chido, if I have to explain to you what is having game or monegr game, then you will not have a clue as to what I am talking about. But I will be nice and give you a response. Childo, having game is the ability to get a girl to give her body to you and you have yor way with her with virtually not paying or having to pay very little. Does this mean that I do not pay or give anything to the girl for the session I have with her? No, I do pay her but ussualy I WHAT I want to give her. I have been to other destination with guys from this board and these guys have given there life savings to these girls. At the end these girls will not respect you because they are getting over on you. Trust me I have heard it a thousand time.
To the other guys I get the picture, Cartagena would be better, but Cali has more non-pros. Thank you guys.
BTW, MiamiHeatLuv is Cali any different than saying walking around New York City? Cause that is the feeling that I get that Cali. One wrong turn in New York and you are in a very fuck up neighborhoods within seconds.
[QUOTE=El Cubanito]To everybody who responded to my question on this board.
Chido, if I have to explain to you what is having game or monegr game, then you will not have a clue as to what I am talking about. But I will be nice and give you a response. Childo, having game is the ability to get a girl to give her body to you and you have yor way with her with virtually not paying or having to pay very little. Does this mean that I do not pay or give anything to the girl for the session I have with her? No, I do pay her but ussualy I WHAT I want to give her. I have been to other destination with guys from this board and these guys have given there life savings to these girls. At the end these girls will not respect you because they are getting over on you. Trust me I have heard it a thousand time.
To the other guys I get the picture, Cartagena would be better, but Cali has more non-pros. Thank you guys.
BTW, MiamiHeatLuv is Cali any different than saying walking around New York City? Cause that is the feeling that I get that Cali. One wrong turn in New York and you are in a very fuck up neighborhoods within seconds.[/QUOTE]For a man with "Monger Game" there's no place in Colombia where you won't thrive. Don't limit yourself to sitting on a barstool in LDV, which good as it is, it'll get boring after about 4 nights.
[QUOTE=Chido]This is funny. What is monger game? Dressing in shorts and sandals with white socks at night and overpaying?[/QUOTE]That is funny as hell Chido and in so many cases so true. I think they get that look from the Del Rey in Costa Rica. add the fake folex and the cowboy boots an you have the perfect storm
[QUOTE=Zingadoon]For a man with "Monger Game" there's no place in Colombia where you won't thrive. Don't limit yourself to sitting on a barstool in LDV, which good as it is, it'll get boring after about 4 nights.[/QUOTE]Man, I will use this place as a last resort. But that is not what I am looking for. Am I looking for a chick that if I go down on her most likely has had your dick where I am about to put my mouth? I do not put myself under any illusion that the girl I have next to me is some Virgin. But I will know she will most likely have not been fuck by 3/4 of the population that has visited Cartagena. With that said I donot know the landscape of Cartagena and what I will find. But being a veteran of Cuba, Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico, I think I can spot a pro or semi-pro from the crowd. I could be dupe in Cartagena, but I will let you know.
Zingadoon, I like the adventure of the chase and getting my prey. Going to place like LDV is like shooting Ducks on the Pond.
Let me ask you something my man? Do you have a regular girl in Colombia, because I have my regular girl in Cuba and in Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico. I am just trying to expand my pussy collection.
El Cubanito
I doubt it Fase II Loutron the Mansion is lot better than LDV.
[QUOTE=El Cubanito]... being a veteran of Cuba, Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico, I think I can spot a pro or semi-pro from the crowd. I could be dupe in Cartagena, but I will let you know.
Zingadoon, I like the adventure of the chase and getting my prey. Going to place like LDV is like shooting Ducks on the Pond.[/QUOTE]Pretty damn easy to figure out really. Your first sign will be when they ask for money or gifts. :)
The fun of LDV is when you actually get a chica to dig ya a bit and she becomes free or close to it, and / or you pay her whatever you feel.
I have learned to ALWAYS follow my sixth sense for figuring out these chicas. Seperating the hard-core from the sweeties.
As we all should know; if they're not friendly and loving outside the bedroom, it's almost always worse in the bedroom.
Have fun.
[QUOTE=El Cubanito]To the other guys I get the picture, Cartagena would be better, but Cali has more non-pros. Thank you guys.
BTW, MiamiHeatLuv is Cali any different than saying walking around New York City? Cause that is the feeling that I get that Cali. One wrong turn in New York and you are in a very fuck up neighborhoods within seconds.[/QUOTE]That is totally correct. Even in the nicer areas like granada had 2 gringos robbed almost right in front of their apartment. The robbers know were the money lies. It is almost a street per street basis. Even now going a little north like the OCTAVA and 22? Where all the bitches and shemales hang out. I heard they are harassing and even mugged prospective johns. Just like NYC, Downtown MIami, etc etc. You know the deal.
[QUOTE=El Cubanito]Man, I will use this place as a last resort. But that is not what I am looking for. Am I looking for a chick that if I go down on her most likely has had your dick where I am about to put my mouth? I do not put myself under any illusion that the girl I have next to me is some Virgin. But I will know she will most likely have not been fuck by 3/4 of the population that has visited Cartagena. With that said I donot know the landscape of Cartagena and what I will find. But being a veteran of Cuba, Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico, I think I can spot a pro or semi-pro from the crowd. I could be dupe in Cartagena, but I will let you know.
Zingadoon, I like the adventure of the chase and getting my prey. Going to place like LDV is like shooting Ducks on the Pond.
Let me ask you something my man? Do you have a regular girl in Colombia, because I have my regular girl in Cuba and in Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico. I am just trying to expand my pussy collection.
El Cubanito[/QUOTE]How in the hell do you know if a girl you just met in a city of a country you just arrived at hasn't banged everyone in town? The answer is you can't,especially in Colombia,these girls are MASTERS of deception make no mistake about it. Just because she's not a pro doesn't mean she's not a cock gobbling sl*t either. lol
This is an update report on my previous one, dated January 2008 in the report of distinction : [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=695215&postcount=1094[/url]
Nothing as changed much since the last time I was in Colombia.
1) Accomodation
Suites Real 85 ([url]www.suitesreal.com[/url]) remains my favourite location. Excellent service for a reasonable price. It is not easy to rent an appartment in the Zona Rosa or Parque de la 93 area, but you may try Bogota Casa.com
2) Money issue
I found out that the City Bank allows you to withdraw up to 700 000 pesos (compared to 300 000 for ñost banks and 400 000 for Bancolombia), which is good to know since most foreign banks charge you a lot for each withdraw. There is one City Bank in the Zona Rosa.
3) Security
I felt pretty safe everywhere, but exercise precaution anyway : use taxi as much as possible, bring enough cash (such as 400 000) and no credit card at night to avoid "ATM kidnappings" etc.
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[QUOTE=Manizales911]How in the hell do you know if a girl you just met in a city of a country you just arrived at hasn't banged everyone in town? The answer is you can't,especially in Colombia,these girls are MASTERS of deception make no mistake about it. Just because she's not a pro doesn't mean she's not a cock gobbling **** either. lol[/QUOTE]They are natural actresses and better at pretending than we will ever be: Its first nature with them....July was vacation month, which meant a lot of transients passing through Cartagena. Some girls were making vacation money to cover expenses. I enjoyed a few of them. Ignore the regulars unless you are staying in town for an extended stay, and it is a slow night.
We're living the One Night Stand Fantasy here -- what more do you want or expect?
[QUOTE=Ricker]Pretty damn easy to figure out really. Your first sign will be when they ask for money or gifts. Hehehe.[/QUOTE]Exactly, but let me tell you something I have travel with guy on mongering trip and as soon as they try the first tail they want to marry the girl. Even when they are paying for it. I look at that and I say WTF!
[QUOTE=Ricker]The fun of LDV is when you actually get a chica to dig ya a bit and she becomes free or close to it, and / or you pay her whatever you feel..[/QUOTE]
THat is going on the chase and that is a great feeling. The ultimate Pussy control.
[QUOTE=Ricker]I have learned to ALWAYS follow my sixth sense for figuring out these chicas. Seperating the hard-core from the sweeties.
As we all should know; if they're not friendly and loving outside the bedroom, it's almost always worse in the bedroom.
Have fun.[/QUOTE]Listen, if they are not sweet or playful before we get into the bedroom I am not taking them there. Is a waist of time to be with a disgruntle chick.
El Cubanito
[QUOTE=El Cubanito]Man, I will use this place as a last resort. But that is not what I am looking for. Am I looking for a chick that if I go down on her most likely has had your dick where I am about to put my mouth? I do not put myself under any illusion that the girl I have next to me is some Virgin. But I will know she will most likely have not been fuck by 3/4 of the population that has visited Cartagena. With that said I donot know the landscape of Cartagena and what I will find. But being a veteran of Cuba, Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico, I think I can spot a pro or semi-pro from the crowd. I could be dupe in Cartagena, but I will let you know.
Zingadoon, I like the adventure of the chase and getting my prey. Going to place like LDV is like shooting Ducks on the Pond.
Let me ask you something my man? Do you have a regular girl in Colombia, because I have my regular girl in Cuba and in Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico. I am just trying to expand my pussy collection.
El Cubanito[/QUOTE]If you have game and really want the chase then go to Mr. Babilla, where it is mostly regular girls and there are a few prepagos working very discreetly, usually at the bar straight ahead as you walk in and go up the stairs. Most chicks are regular girls there and I personally think on a good weekend night, especially a puente weekend, that it's the best hunting ground in Cartagena. But "monger game" will not get you laid. True game, speaking spanish, and being able to dance might. There are many bars on the same stretch, and La Carbonera is younger and you need even tighter game in there. Babar in el Centro is more high end and you need tighter game there also. LDV has a lot of tired hard core worn out prepagos. It is rare that you'll find a nugget there. If all else fails you still have elektra at 3 am.
[QUOTE=Chido]If you have game and really want the chase then go to Mr. Babilla, where it is mostly regular girls and there are a few prepagos working very discreetly, usually at the bar straight ahead as you walk in and go up the stairs. Most chicks are regular girls there and I personally think on a good weekend night, especially a puente weekend, that it's the best hunting ground in Cartagena. But "monger game" will not get you laid. True game, speaking spanish, and being able to dance might. There are many bars on the same stretch, and La Carbonera is younger and you need even tighter game in there. Babar in el Centro is more high end and you need tighter game there also. LDV has a lot of tired hard core worn out prepagos. It is rare that you'll find a nugget there. If all else fails you still have elektra at 3 am.[/QUOTE]Having games is being able to dance them and make them laugh. In ALL TURN THE GAME ON THEM, make believe the illusion that you are there boyfriend, there man, there soulmate. Whatever to get laid without giving as much as you she would want you to give to her.
Guys, if you have not figure out yet, I was born in Cuba and left 40 some odd years ago. The things is my cousin who I consider the Monger God. This is a guy that when he arrive from Cuba back in 1964 when on to live the grand old life of NOT working for the next 15 years. He had a lady that treated him as a Princes. Whatever he wanted, cars, clothes, money. Whatever he wanted. SHe would say that my cousin made her feel like a Queen or the most important thing in the Universe. In return, she would give my cousin anything he wanted.(The lady was a widow and was Loaded up the gills). But that is the game that I am talking about and thank to God I happen to learn from the best.
El Cubanito
[QUOTE=Chido]If you have game and really want the chase then go to Mr. Babilla, where it is mostly regular girls and there are a few prepagos working very discreetly, usually at the bar straight ahead as you walk in and go up the stairs. Most chicks are regular girls there and I personally think on a good weekend night, especially a puente weekend, that it's the best hunting ground in Cartagena. But "monger game" will not get you laid. True game, speaking spanish, and being able to dance might. There are many bars on the same stretch, and La Carbonera is younger and you need even tighter game in there. Babar in el Centro is more high end and you need tighter game there also. LDV has a lot of tired hard core worn out prepagos. It is rare that you'll find a nugget there. If all else fails you still have elektra at 3 am.[/QUOTE]ELEKTRA? The hardest of the hard-core! Even so, if you come up empty at 3:00 a.m. you can find a girl in elecktra who's stuck for cash and who may do you at a bargain rate.
[QUOTE=Zingadoon]ELEKTRA? The hardest of the hard-core! Even so, if you come up empty at 3:00 a.m. you can find a girl in elecktra who's stuck for cash and who may do you at a bargain rate.[/QUOTE]True it's where the raggedy LDV hos go after hours, but I've pulled some nuggets out of there that are not your old worn out LDV hos. It is hit or miss, but a good option if your non-pro game doesn't result in a hookup and you resort to plan B.
Where can you buy cigars in Medellin and Bogota? I know there will be cigar shops but is there a national chain of stores that has them that would be easier to find? Like the Sanborns stores all over Mexico?
Of course, ELCUBA, one can be an idiot like me, and drag the paisa off to a scuba diving trip in Roatan, and pay a small fortune for that. Mind you, it WAS fun, despite the fact that we landed the day they closed the airport, and had to drive across the country to La Ceiba. Now, if I marry the girl, at least I can get a tax deduction for her.
I'm going to ask what may seem to be a dumb question yet for the the forums I'm about to ask this on (so you'll which names I use on which forums) several monger sites.
I've RTFF and I've neevr seen this asked/answered, so here goes.
I live in Toronto and I've always flown to MDE by way of SJO, I did this because it breaks up my flight and Toronto to SJO is pretty cheap and a direct flight.
What I'm now considering is the more conventional approach and that's to fly Air Canada direct to BOG then on a codeshare you take Avaianaca to MDE. Here's what concerns me and hence the reason for my question. I understand that BOG airport recently underwent a much needed expansion and have added another terminal. My flight from Toronto arrives at one terminal, yet I fly to MDE out of another. I have no idea if these terminals are right beside each other nor do I know if you have to clear customs after you pick up your bags, and I don't know if you have to re-check in.
So my questions are:
1) Can anyone tell me about their experiences taking this Air Canada/Avianaca code share?
2) Are the terminals in Bogota right beside each other?
3) Will I have enough time in 2 hours to de-plane from Air Canada, get my bags and re-check in at the other terminal for the Avianaca leg?
4) Do I need to clear customs and have my bags searched, I ask again because of time constraints
5) Am I better off saying fuck it, fly into BOG, get a hotel and some companionship and fly to MDE the next day.
First person to tell me to RTFF gets mooned. I've tried to look for many of these answers in the past and I'm ready to book a February flight while it's selling cheap now.
Gracias
Can't answer all your queries, but in theory you cannot be sold a connecting flight if there is not enough time to do exactly that.
Like most countries, Colombia has immigration and customs at port of entry. It's unlikely your bags will be searched.
Avianca flies to MDE, so you will then need transport from Rionegro down the hill which takes about 1.5 hours and I don't recommend it at night.
Suggest you consider flying to EOH instead which is right in Medellin. Avianca don't fly there from BOG, but Satena do. Good luck.
[QUOTE=Tweeners]I'm going to ask what may seem to be a dumb question yet for the the forums I'm about to ask this on (so you'll which names I use on which forums) several monger sites.
I've RTFF and I've neevr seen this asked/answered, so here goes.
I live in Toronto and I've always flown to MDE by way of SJO, I did this because it breaks up my flight and Toronto to SJO is pretty cheap and a direct flight.
What I'm now considering is the more conventional approach and that's to fly Air Canada direct to BOG then on a codeshare you take Avaianaca to MDE. Here's what concerns me and hence the reason for my question. I understand that BOG airport recently underwent a much needed expansion and have added another terminal. My flight from Toronto arrives at one terminal, yet I fly to MDE out of another. I have no idea if these terminals are right beside each other nor do I know if you have to clear customs after you pick up your bags, and I don't know if you have to re-check in.
So my questions are:
1) Can anyone tell me about their experiences taking this Air Canada/Avianaca code share?
2) Are the terminals in Bogota right beside each other?
3) Will I have enough time in 2 hours to de-plane from Air Canada, get my bags and re-check in at the other terminal for the Avianaca leg?
4) Do I need to clear customs and have my bags searched, I ask again because of time constraints
5) Am I better off saying fuck it, fly into BOG, get a hotel and some companionship and fly to MDE the next day.
First person to tell me to RTFF gets mooned. I've tried to look for many of these answers in the past and I'm ready to book a February flight while it's selling cheap now.
Gracias[/QUOTE]1. No, I am from the U.S.
2. They aren't but the shuttle system is pretty efficient.
3. 2 hours is enough but not a lot of wiggle room.
4.You will have to clear customs, they will put your bags through a quick x-ray,kind of a joke really.
5. That's up to you. I do an overnight in BOG sometimes to save a few bucks on the airfare and blow it on a hotel room and a girl. Nothing wrong with that.
Have fun.
[quote=speedyg50]can't answer all your queries, but in theory you cannot be sold a connecting flight if there is not enough time to do exactly that.[/quote]maybe in theory but when i book my flights from jfk or bos to mzl the first flight on the list of choices for the bog to mzl leg of the journey only has a 50 minute layover. i challenge anyone to pull that off with more than a 50% success rate.
The Toronto-Bogota-Medellin route is better than flying through USA, CR you only have to deal with the immigration for Colombia. I Know many people that make the connecting flights and I know a few people who have missed it, an 8pm arrival is tight for a 9:40 flight. I go to Cartagena but I prefer to spend the night in Bogota because there's LOTs to do. I usually buy my ticket from travelocity and I always have a hard time getting a connecting flight first thing in the morning it usually only allows me a 5pm next day flight to Ctg so when I arrive in Bogota I go to the avianca counter and change it to first thing in the morning always seats available, so if you miss the connection getting on the next morning flight won't be a problem.
Guaranteed the flight will have tons of Paisas on it who are making the exact same connection just follow them they'll be the ones rushing past you in the passport control line at el dorado for people with connecting flights once you pass passport then you get your bag right there at the bag carrousel there'll be avianca people waving you over to get your boarding pass for national connections, once you get the boarding pass you'll board a bus that runs across the tarmak to the Puerto Aereo National Terminal and catch your MDE flight there. The one downside to this is that frequently your luggage doesn't make the tight connection you may have to go back to the MDE airport the next day to get it.
Even with this little hassle it still beats any other route because overnighting in San Jose, Mexico City or Miami ain't gonna offer the FUN that Bogota can.
Remember, we're all in this together.
Tom Power
I am interested in buying an apartment in medellin. I understand there is some paperwork that should be done so if I ever sell the apartment I can send the money back to the USA. Is anyone familiar with this?
Thanks,
Mel
[QUOTE=Tom Power]there'll be avianca people waving you over to get your boarding pass for national connections, once you get the boarding pass you'll board a bus[/QUOTE]As far as I remember, there are only three counters for Avianca..so either one has to hope that baggage came early and customs check was quick or that few people connect to other Avianca flights (unlikely..)..
Hassle is that if one misses his connecting flight one has to carry the baggage to the national terminal (instead of dropping right there) and hit the over-crowded Avianca office.
In that case please don't behave like an American douchebag..courtesy gets you far..
[QUOTE=Mel365]I am interested in buying an apartment in medellin. I understand there is some paperwork that should be done so if I ever sell the apartment I can send the money back to the USA. Is anyone familiar with this?
Thanks,
Mel[/QUOTE]Yes, you can send it back. One suggestion I could, call bancolombia. There is a branch here in miami. Of course, keep in mind that they would want your business. Personally, I avoid dealing with them as much as I can, but to clarify all aspects of the real estate transaction between the countries would be a good source of information for you.
[quote=manizales911]4.you will have to clear customs, they will put your bags through a quick x-ray,kind of a joke really.[/quote]half the time i get the full manual search as well. they're friendly enough -- they're looking for money or the import of high-value items for resale -- but you do need to allow time for it.
and of course, only ever open one case at a time regardless of how many people want to help speed you on your way.
Do you have a phone number for the bank in Miami? When I phoned the miami number the call was transferred to Medellin.
Thanks,
Mel
I'm sure I read somewhere, possibly on this board, that there were now direct flights from Bogota to Singapore. Now I can't find it. Can anyone possibly confirm this for me?
Hi,
I am contemplating my first visit to Colombia in December.
The trip will be about one week and I only want to go to one city. Should I go to Bogota, Cartagena or Medelin?
I speak passable spanish and am used to travelling in latinamerica.
The key criterias are easy access to beautiful women, something to see and do when not chasing women, price is less of an issue.
Junior
Hi,
I am staying in Rio de Janerio in December and was thinking of taking a few days in Colombia also, does anyone know the best and cheapest way to travel between the two?
I lookd at some flights but they are VERy VERy expensive, perhaps I am lookng at the wrong sites
Many thanks in advance
Andy
[QUOTE=Junior]Hi,
I am contemplating my first visit to Colombia in December.
The trip will be about one week and I only want to go to one city. Should I go to Bogota, Cartagena or Medelin?
I speak passable spanish and am used to travelling in latinamerica.
The key criterias are easy access to beautiful women, something to see and do when not chasing women, price is less of an issue.
Junior[/QUOTE]For one week, you might not get too bored in ctg, as long as you like beaches and old fortresses. Otherwise I'd strike it. Bog would be my favorite: med's got a decent botero museum iirc, but apart from that doesn't inspire me.
I will stay in Colombia for 6 months and I cot of living /time for daily transportation is an big issue. Medellin offers much culture, but what about cities like Tulúa, Pereira, Manizales, Cartago.
I speak deesecnt spanish and can manage in a smaller city.
It might become boring, but thi might well occur when getting out of money in an expensive metropol!
Anyone with experience?
Andy,
For whatever reasons, this has been an ongoing problem for me and it's just one of those issues that's not going to be resolved. For some reason, only Colombia, nowhere else, is it difficult to get to from other SA countries, with the possible exception of Peru. I tried to figure how to get there from or on the way to Rio, also Buenos Aires - And you know what? It turned out cheaper and shorter to go back to Miami first! I s**t you not!
[QUOTE=Pixelpirata]I will stay in Colombia for 6 months and I cot of living /time for daily transportation is an big issue. Medellin offers much culture, but what about cities like Tulúa, Pereira, Manizales, Cartago.[/QUOTE]Do you have certain objectives while being there or is your endeavour "simply" (no offense or anything between the lines!) to live in CO for 6mth?
The only way that you can really fly from Colombia to BA or RIO is to use frequent flyer miles and make a stop over in Colombia. For example Delta and Avicanca are skyteam partners. However, when you do it this way there are a ton of stopovers. Usually thorugh panama or mexico city because those to cities have flights to BA or RIO.
[QUOTE=Doc Bill]Andy,
For whatever reasons, this has been an ongoing problem for me and it's just one of those issues that's not going to be resolved. For some reason, only Colombia, nowhere else, is it difficult to get to from other SA countries, with the possible exception of Peru. I tried to figure how to get there from or on the way to Rio, also Buenos Aires - And you know what? It turned out cheaper and shorter to go back to Miami first! I s**t you not![/QUOTE]Bill,
I've been researching this topic for a month already (personal reasons). Getting from place to place in SA is a huge issue. More than I would have thought.
Ie. Lima to Buenos Aires is $900 on LAN. I pay between that and $1000 to get there from new york.
Bottom line. If I ever moved to SA and wanted to hop around between Peru Colombia and Argentina I am looking at around $3000 a year in airfare. This does NOT include getting back for the holidays.
**** IMHO you must go through miami to get BACK to SA. This is for monetary reasons BUT also for the luggage restrictions. LAN allows one checked bag at 50lbs on flights within SA. Not to mention those fucks only allow 18 lbs carry on. I shit you not. Look on their website. If you can pay to have another bag I believe it would be $120 (2 charges).
Flights to Colombia from Lima were running $700 when I checked this month. Add airport tax and over weight charges and your giving up that "cruise " you were saving up for. Sometimes there are sales but you can't depend on them falling when your three month tourist visa ends. Then what?
If you are lucky enough to live in ecuador then you can take a bus to Colombia or visa versa. If you are stuck in Argentina without any money your world is uruguay paraguay and maybe parts of brazil or chile. Otherwise get ready to shell out major bucks for a trip.
When you sit down and crunch numbers you realize that you save money on *some things in SA but new expenditures are right around the corner.
$5000 a month is the number I came up with to do SA the way I would want to. Fly between countries stay in $40/45 hotels etc.
As you can see this is a heated topic with me.
[QUOTE=Doc Bill]Andy,
For whatever reasons, this has been an ongoing problem for me and it's just one of those issues that's not going to be resolved. For some reason, only Colombia, nowhere else, is it difficult to get to from other SA countries, with the possible exception of Peru. I tried to figure how to get there from or on the way to Rio, also Buenos Aires - And you know what? It turned out cheaper and shorter to go back to Miami first! I s**t you not![/QUOTE][url]http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/Latin_America/Avianca.shtml[/url]
[QUOTE=Andy1974]Hi,
I am staying in Rio de Janerio in December and was thinking of taking a few days in Colombia also, does anyone know the best and cheapest way to travel between the two?
I lookd at some flights but they are VERy VERy expensive, perhaps I am lookng at the wrong sites
Many thanks in advance
Andy[/QUOTE]Copa Air Buddy
[url]www.copaair.com[/url]
Kick,
If you don't mind to change planes twice and take 10 hours to get to Bogota, fly with GOL for 500usd.
By the way I wouldn't mind to spend a few days in Col myself. But after reading reports galore on this site, the chances of bumping into a natural titted colombiana without silicone are pretty slim, right?
[QUOTE=Tavares]By the way I wouldn't mind to spend a few days in Col myself. But after reading reports galore on this site, the chances of bumping into a natural titted colombiana without silicone are pretty slim, right?[/QUOTE]My current two favorites don't have an ounce of silicon between them.
Of course they're then not that big to stand any chance of bumping in to, so maybe you're right.
[QUOTE=Tavares]By the way I wouldn't mind to spend a few days in Col myself. But after reading reports galore on this site, the chances of bumping into a natural titted colombiana without silicone are pretty slim, right?[/quote]Wrong,there are plenty of girls that haven't been enhanced yet,not because they don't want to get a nice pair of bolt-ons, but because they haven't landed a gringo willing to pay for them yet.
[QUOTE=Tavares]By the way I wouldn't mind to spend a few days in Col myself. But after reading reports galore on this site, the chances of bumping into a natural titted colombiana without silicone are pretty slim, right?[/QUOTE]By natural, do you mean big or small? There's your fair share of everything. I love them big. Real or fake doesn't matter. I'm in heaven.
Has anyone left or arrived at the airport in Colombia after staying more than 180 days without a visa?
My 180 days is Colombia is almost used up when I arrived at Medellin last week and immigration at the airport (DAS) gave me a tourist entry visa stamp for 60 days. I told them my 180 days are almost up, then I went to DAS in Belen and questioned them. Nobody seems to know for sure. The answer I get is that if DAS gave me an entry visa stamp of 60 days, then I have 60 days.
The rules to me seems to say that if you enter Colombia, you get 60 day entry visa stamp on your passport. DAS will extend the time for a fee until your 180 days per year are up.
The rules does not say you cannot leave the country and come back for another 60 days entry visa stamp after your 180 days are up. Other boards say that people go to Venezuela and come back to have their passport stamped.
I will know for sure when I leave and come back (or not) in September.
[QUOTE=Headache]Has anyone left or arrived at the airport in Colombia after staying more than 180 days without a visa?
My 180 days is Colombia is almost used up when I arrived at Medellin last week and immigration at the airport (DAS) gave me a tourist entry visa stamp for 60 days. I told them my 180 days are almost up, then I went to DAS in Belen and questioned them. Nobody seems to know for sure. The answer I get is that if DAS gave me an entry visa stamp of 60 days, then I have 60 days.
The rules to me seems to say that if you enter Colombia, you get 60 day entry visa stamp on your passport. DAS will extend the time for a fee until your 180 days per year are up.
The rules does not say you cannot leave the country and come back for another 60 days entry visa stamp after your 180 days are up. Other boards say that people go to Venezuela and come back to have their passport stamped.
I will know for sure when I leave and come back (or not) in September.[/QUOTE]No one is more confused than DAS passport control and they are the only angry Colombians I ever encounter, except for pissed off hinchas de futbol.
You get 60 days when you enter. You can get a 30 day extension after paying 55,000COP, only at certain branches of Banco de Bogota, and two trips to DAS, they figerprint you and push every button on the desktop computer they run, tanto loco. Then when you leave from MDE you have to pay another $55,000, collected by the airline. It's all very confusing and hard to get a straight anwser, that you can trust, from anyone.
I know that it's easier, but more expensive, to go to another country for a weekend and comeback for a fresh 60 day stamp.
Good luck getting it straight.
Chau,
Jazz
Well here's the story guys. I'm a 40 year old guy who's finishing up college for the 2nd time. I've been given an opportunity, by a company interested in hiring me when I leave college, to spend up to 10 weeks in a Spanish speaking country learning to speak the language. I'm moving into petroleum production, and they have a lot of interests in South America and would like to have me understanding some Spanish when I get there.
So here's the requirements. I need to present them with a proposal as to how much a 10 week stay would cost. Of course I have secondary motives for wanting to spend an extended period in an exotic land, and so I come to you.
I need to find out why you think Columbia is the place to go to spend time with the chicas. Really what I'd like is more semi or non pro action, particularly since I'll be there a while. I'd prefer to stay in a city away from the gringo occupied areas. I am supposed to be learning Spanish remember, so if everyone speaks English, I'll not make much progress. I'd also like any input you might have on how much a small house or apartment might cost for the 10 weeks.
Really I'm interested in any insight you might think would be useful to someone in my position. Incidentally, I do speak a small amount of Spanish already. I'm a middle class, average looking, middle aged white guy, who doesn't mind leaving suburban America to live in less the US standard accommodations.
I hope Jackson doesn't mind, but I'm thinking of posting this in quite a few different forums to get responses from each, but feel free to offer advice on any other countries you might think appropriate as well.
Hopefully come June of next year I'll be running a blog on how things are going, and chasing as much tail as I was during my fist stint in college. In the meantime, I hope to hear from all of you as to where I should spend my 10 week mid life crisis.
Oh. And learn Spanish too. Really.
[QUOTE=RobbyPump]Well here's the story guys. I'm a 40 year old guy who's finishing up college for the 2nd time. I've been given an opportunity, by a company interested in hiring me when I leave college, to spend up to 10 weeks in a Spanish speaking country learning to speak the language.[/quote]Robby,
You probably get a few different opinions here depending on who you speak with. Although I have 26 years experience with Latin women and my opinion is one of many, please consider what I have to be true and accurate.
First of all, congrats on re-schooling and a BIG congrats on your immersion opportunity. You are in for a ride.
I am a white 45 year old who is conversationally fluent in Spanish. I took it in high school and got an opportunity to use it while stationed in Central America 26 years ago. I married a girl from there and we have three children together who are grown up now with my youngest living with me and attending college. I've been divorced from her for years. Good person, good mother but we just married too young.
Since then, I have been to Costa Rica, Mexico, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras and now I visit my favorite. Colombia. I've been around 30 times and am planning on buying there one day.
I met my girl 3 years ago in Cartagena and have an "inside" insight as to how they think, feel and operate.
I wanted to tell you enough about me to give you a feel before you took my advice. So now, here it is.
There are some good, good people in Colombia but the peso is very important to most and many will do ANYTHING to get their hands on a hand full.
1st, if you're not currently exercising consider starting right away. You don't need to be a model but you want to look your best. 2nd, look into what's fashionable with Latin males. Buy clothes that look cool but aren't too costly. No expensive jewelry. Do NOT show up dressed like a tourist gringo. "When in Rome.".
Take care of all of the details. Nails, grey in your hair, teeth and so forth. You DON'T want to be one of the guys. Who will probably criticize what I'm telling you here. Who think that the fact that you are American and have money is attractive enough. Most Colombianos are at least a little vain and will laugh at you behind your back for being too different. Also consider WHO will be attracted to you in the form of friends AND chicas by how you present yourself. I cannot overstate this. It is very important. You are already "exotic" enough by virtue of your race and therefore attractive to many so don't come across as strange or weird by not being "like them" on some level. And appearance is the first impression.
With that said, you want to be located in a fairly nice area especially if you choose to be away from other gringos. It's like the States in that the more secure your residence, the higher the rent. The dilemma there is that when you are in an area where people have money, you won't have every chica falling all over herself to meet or talk to you. Somewhere in the middle is best in my opinion.
You should be able to rent by the month. There are sites where you can find deals. While learning Spanish is your main objective, consider the climate, the weather, and extracurricular activities too.
I've never been to Cali but I hear it's hot and can be dangerous.
I've been to Medellin and the weather is awesome, the chicas beautiful and there are plenty of things to do if you look around.
Cartagena is my personal choice because of the abundance of things one can enjoy outside of the bedroom.
Barranquilla is ok but doesn't have as much to do.
Bogota is huge but I didn't like the weather.
There are many other options but I don't have enough personal experience to share. As to learning Spanish, the obvious thing to do is meet a lot of people and stay engaged in conversations throughout the day. Stay out of the house unless you rent a room inside of someone's house, then you're still engaged.
And the number one thing is to get a girlfriend. If you listen to my advice, you can get a beautiful young thing that is with you because she likes YOU and not just your wallet. I advise you to dump any and all girls who ask for money unless she's a prepagada.
Colombian women are incredible and she will have you eating out of her hand, buying her everything you can afford and your dumb as$ will be happy to do it. If you're not careful.
Now don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with helping a girl out that you care for but I personally know of dozens of chicas who are so good that they have several men from several countries sending them monthly allowances and they all think that she's sitting by the phone just waiting for his call.
There are some very ambitious and resourceful women down there and you will attract what you draw.
Dress clean and trendy, don't throw your money around, be charming, interesting and witty and you repel the "gold diggers" attract "good" girls and possibly make some friends for life while they help you learn Spanish the best way. Full immersion. Good luck and feel free to p m me for elaboration or explanation of anything I can help with.
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[QUOTE=RobbyPump] to spend up to 10 weeks in a Spanish speaking country learning to speak the language. [/QUOTE]Just completed a month in Colombia taking Spanish lessons. I alrady had enough Spanish that I could spend 3 weeks in Colombia without speaking English at all, but I was often confused by what people said.
First 2 weeks: group class in a language institute in Bogota with a good teacher who knew little English and spoke only Spanish in the class. 4 hr/day. about $230/wk. Useful, learned a lot, but it was COLD in the bogota classroom and the teacher could not explaiin the Spanish in English, so on many points I had to refer to my grammer book after class.
Second 2 weeks: private classes in Medellin with an even better teacher who spoke 4 languages. 4 hr/day. 18k pesos per hour or $180/wk, but I also paid for 4 hrs per weekend. much more intense than in a group, no time to relax. highly recommended. pm me for the name and contact info.
Avoiding English: as long as you stay out of backpacker hostels, you will seldom run into people who speak English, even in the rich parts of Bogota or Medellin. I think the previous post on Colombian women is quite accurate, having known many.
Zing
[QUOTE=Fabone]Robby,
You probably get a few different opinions here depending on who you speak with. Although I have 26 years experience with Latin women and my opinion is one of many, please consider what I have to be true and accurate.
First of all, congrats on re-schooling and a BIG congrats on your immersion opportunity. You are in for a ride.
I am a white 45 year old who is conversationally fluent in Spanish. I took it in high school and got an opportunity to use it while stationed in Central America 26 years ago. I married a girl from there and we have three children together who are grown up now with my youngest living with me and attending college. I've been divorced from her for years. Good person, good mother but we just married too young.
Since then, I have been to Costa Rica, Mexico, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras and now I visit my favorite. Colombia. I've been around 30 times and am planning on buying there one day.
I met my girl 3 years ago in Cartagena and have an "inside" insight as to how they think, feel and operate.
I wanted to tell you enough about me to give you a feel before you took my advice. So now, here it is.
There are some good, good people in Colombia but the peso is very important to most and many will do ANYTHING to get their hands on a hand full.
1st, if you're not currently exercising consider starting right away. You don't need to be a model but you want to look your best. 2nd, look into what's fashionable with Latin males. Buy clothes that look cool but aren't too costly. No expensive jewelry. Do NOT show up dressed like a tourist gringo. "When in Rome.".
Take care of all of the details. Nails, grey in your hair, teeth and so forth. You DON'T want to be one of the guys. Who will probably criticize what I'm telling you here. Who think that the fact that you are American and have money is attractive enough. Most Colombianos are at least a little vain and will laugh at you behind your back for being too different. Also consider WHO will be attracted to you in the form of friends AND chicas by how you present yourself. I cannot overstate this. It is very important. You are already "exotic" enough by virtue of your race and therefore attractive to many so don't come across as strange or weird by not being "like them" on some level. And appearance is the first impression.
With that said, you want to be located in a fairly nice area especially if you choose to be away from other gringos. It's like the States in that the more secure your residence, the higher the rent. The dilemma there is that when you are in an area where people have money, you won't have every chica falling all over herself to meet or talk to you. Somewhere in the middle is best in my opinion.
You should be able to rent by the month. There are sites where you can find deals. While learning Spanish is your main objective, consider the climate, the weather, and extracurricular activities too.
I've never been to Cali but I hear it's hot and can be dangerous.
I've been to Medellin and the weather is awesome, the chicas beautiful and there are plenty of things to do if you look around.
Cartagena is my personal choice because of the abundance of things one can enjoy outside of the bedroom.
Barranquilla is ok but doesn't have as much to do.
Bogota is huge but I didn't like the weather.
There are many other options but I don't have enough personal experience to share. As to learning Spanish, the obvious thing to do is meet a lot of people and stay engaged in conversations throughout the day. Stay out of the house unless you rent a room inside of someone's house, then you're still engaged.
And the number one thing is to get a girlfriend. If you listen to my advice, you can get a beautiful young thing that is with you because she likes YOU and not just your wallet. I advise you to dump any and all girls who ask for money unless she's a prepagada.
Colombian women are incredible and she will have you eating out of her hand, buying her everything you can afford and your dumb as$ will be happy to do it. If you're not careful.
Now don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with helping a girl out that you care for but I personally know of dozens of chicas who are so good that they have several men from several countries sending them monthly allowances and they all think that she's sitting by the phone just waiting for his call.
There are some very ambitious and resourceful women down there and you will attract what you draw.
Dress clean and trendy, don't throw your money around, be charming, interesting and witty and you repel the "gold diggers" attract "good" girls and possibly make some friends for life while they help you learn Spanish the best way. Full immersion. Good luck and feel free to p m me for elaboration or explanation of anything I can help with.
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]Thats pretty good info, Im Colombian but moved here 2 the states when I wuz two years old, so Ive grown up the corrupted American way of life and divorced, I am 40 now, and have not lost my spanish but only now know the Colombians in the states as they too are hungry for men that have money, I c it left and right, Im hoping women in Colombian are just shallow as they are here. Well keep up your report, at is very informal even for a native but than again last time I was in Medellin was in 86.. wasted years I got 2 go back.
Cheers,
Colombian Carlos
[QUOTE=Fabone]... There are some good, good people in Colombia but the peso is very important to most and many will do ANYTHING to get their hands on a hand full.
[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]Great statement, great post. Did I write that? hahahahaha
Sounds like the exact advice I would give.
[QUOTE=RobbyPump]I need to find out why you think Columbia is the place to go to spend time with the chicas.[/QUOTE]Well of course Colombia is the place to go to spend time with chicas.
Apart from Fabone's post and advice:
I would choose Medellin over all other cities to live in Colombia.
Climate, people, chicas, etc.
You can get away from the gringo crowd if you rent maybe in the el Estadio area, etc.
Cartagena for me is too touristy and hot.
Barranquilla, though the chicas are great, is hot and too industrial and drab for me.
Cali I dig for a visit, but it's not a pretty city really ans a bit more dangerous.
Bogota would be my second choice, but it does get cold for me.
Good luck amigo.
For Portuguese, hit Sao Paulo, Brasil. Hahahaha. That's a different story, but just as good.
[QUOTE=Ricker]I would choose Medellin over all other cities to live in Colombia.
[/QUOTE]IIRC, CAMBIO reported last week that Medellin had the fastest growing rate of serious (read murder, theft, ...) street crime in Colombia.
[QUOTE=Fabone]Now don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with helping a girl out that you care for but I personally know of dozens of chicas who are so good that they have several men from several countries sending them monthly allowances and they all think that she's sitting by the phone just waiting for his call.[/QUOTE]You are so right and unfortunately I had to learn this lesson quite hard. I married a girl from Colombia and to make her life as nice as possible I had nothing against that she stood several weeks per year alone in Colombia. Visiting her family like I thought.
Truth was, that she lived in Colombia with a local guy from Pereira and with all the money I gave to her they built up their life in Pereira. I was blinded by love and the sweet behavior of her. Now that I know more about the life over there I even can't be angry with her, but with me being so stupid.
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]IIRC, CAMBIO reported last week that Medellin had the fastest growing rate of serious (read murder, theft, ...) street crime in Colombia.[/QUOTE]I wuz born in Medellin in 68 but moved here when I wuz two, in the span up to 86 visiting durring summer school I have seen everything from somebody tearing off my moms earing in broad day lite in the centro to seeing somebody get shot in the head to somebody pointing a gun at me for kicks. Medellin has gone up n down. Today it is musch safer than 20 years ago but never let your guards down especially after that grenade explosion at a downtown club after a soccer celebration, like others have posted, try to blend in as much as possible, dont wear jewelry and buy sum cheap clothes at a local store.
Cali
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]IIRC, CAMBIO reported last week that Medellin had the fastest growing rate of serious (read murder, theft, ...) street crime in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Oh, in that case I'd choose Peoria, Illinois.
[QUOTE=Calizum]I wuz born in Medellin in 68 but moved here when I wuz two, in the span up to 86 visiting durring summer school I have seen everything from somebody tearing off my moms earing in broad day lite in the centro to seeing somebody get shot in the head to somebody pointing a gun at me for kicks. Medellin has gone up n down. Today it is musch safer than 20 years ago but never let your guards down especially after that grenade explosion at a downtown club after a soccer celebration, like others have posted, try to blend in as much as possible, dont wear jewelry and buy sum cheap clothes at a local store.
Cali[/QUOTE]Article is still available online at:
[url]http://www.cambio.com.co/portadacambio/842/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR_CAMBIO-5892427.html[/url]
Can any of you Colombian 'experts' tell me why the COP is at 1984 to the US $1? Has the Colombian economy improved that much lately, or is it the US dollar is going down internationally or more specifically to the Colombian economy.
The dollar has improved in respect to the Costa Rican Colon and the Argentine Peso, so go figure.
I'm going to Colombia next month and getting worried about the money situation.
bayboy.
If anyone travel to Bogota in Sept and want to have decent girl (no puta, no prepago) in Bogota, let me know. PM me. I just want to help my friends there.
Live rates at 2009.09.12 19:55:54 UTC
1.00 USD = 1,994.00 COP
United States Dollars Colombia Pesos
1 USD = 1,994.00 COP 1 COP = 0.000501505 USD
Bayboy, while not an 'expert'. My endless years in accounting and finance might help a little. It is not the peso going up, but the US$ going down. US$ hit a low for the year against the euro & CDN $, after the financial crisis, for some strange reason, everybody wanted to be in US$'s, so it soared far above true value. Now, that international risk has dropped (or at least by the VIX index, which sort of measures worldwide volatility), people feel safer being in more risky currencies. Interesting enough, the peso has virtually stayed the same against the Canadian dollar all the way thru this.
I wouldn't worry about the exchange rate. There is nothing you can do about it anyway, and really doesn't make a huge difference in the cost of a trip. Right now, with tourism so slow, they have no problem taking gringo dinero.
[QUOTE=Dude55]I had a girl from Medellin that got pregnant with another Colombian guy while waiting for her visa to the US with me. She tried to lie that it was my child, but the father showed up at her lawyers office and demanded a blood test. The girl even wanted me to bring her and her son to the US.
What is worse, the crime in Colombia or the women from Colombia! At! Fuck them but don't get attached to them. They have no loyalty, no respect for you or I.[/QUOTE]Dealing with a serious relationship with a Colombian woman is worse than playing the lottery. The only thing I can think of that is worse is getting hooked up with a Gringa.
As far as the crime in Colombia, I can deal with that.
I'll be in Santa Marta tonight for seven days. PM if anybody else is there also to share in the eternal hunt for the GFE.
[QUOTE=Dude55]I had a girl from Medellin that got pregnant with another Colombian guy while waiting for her visa to the US with me. She tried to lie that it was my child, but the father showed up at her lawyers office and demanded a blood test. The girl even wanted me to bring her and her son to the US.
What is worse, the crime in Colombia or the women from Colombia! At! Fuck them but don't get attached to them. They have no loyalty, no respect for you or I.[/QUOTE]That leads me to the question if anybody knows a good investigator in Pereira? I searched the Internet already, but the links which appear there are not really helpful. It should be a guy or a company in Pereira. Agencies from the U.S. I found a lot, but they are expensive as they first have to send somebody to Pereira. The divorce is running already, but it might be helpful to proof that she had before and while we are married a guy in Pereira and that they lived together.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Dude55]I had a girl from Medellin that got pregnant with another Colombian guy while waiting for her visa to the US with me. She tried to lie that it was my child, but the father showed up at her lawyers office and demanded a blood test. The girl even wanted me to bring her and her son to the US.
What is worse, the crime in Colombia or the women from Colombia! At! Fuck them but don't get attached to them. They have no loyalty, no respect for you or I.[/QUOTE]Sure you wanna tar 'em all with the same brush? I've met loads of great, honest, sincere, loyal Colombian girls.
And plenty of US women who'd try the same trick as your Medellin woman in a heartbeat.
[QUOTE=Dude55]I had a girl from Medellin that got pregnant with another Colombian guy while waiting for her visa to the US with me. She tried to lie that it was my child, but the father showed up at her lawyers office and demanded a blood test. The girl even wanted me to bring her and her son to the US.
What is worse, the crime in Colombia or the women from Colombia! At! Fuck them but don't get attached to them. They have no loyalty, no respect for you or I.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear about your experience Dude55. I've heard of and personally seen MANY over the years. However, there are men you are having success in finding a "keeper" in that sea of opportunistic chicas that are out their working estranjeros for an opportunity at a better life.
If we lump ALL Colombianas into such statements then we are no better than them when they make comments (and they do) such as:
"All gringos are bad in bed" or "Gringos don't know how to dance" or "Gringos are rude and have no personality."
The truth is that all of those statements accurately apply to someone's experience and they ASSUME that it's universal.
Well it's not universal for us. Not for them.
Like I said on previous posts, when you go to Colombia, you will attract people. Chicas, amigos and just curious passers by. But how you dress, present yourself, act, react, spend, not spend, eye contact, body language, and fundamentally your basic mindset. All of these things leave an impression of you with any people including of course the Colombianos.
Do we attract opportunists based on looking like an easy target or do we attract people who are genuinely interested in us as a person. Someone with style, class, respect and of interest.
No I'm in no way suggesting that you or the prior posting guy did not but odds are there was something about you to have attracted such a person though it could have just been the fact that you are estranjero.
But still, we have to realize that we can do all of this right and still get screwed over if we blindly trust.
If you're just out playing, play with the "fun girls" and realize who you are dealing with.
If you want a "good girl" in Colombia, you have to "fish in a different pond" of course.
But one you decide to move ahead with ONE girl and are considering bringing her home. The REAL work begins. You should be testing her every way possible in ways that she cannot anticipate. You'll have 5-6 months to do this while your novia visa is being processed. Then you'll have another 90 days to see how she adjusts in your country (I'm assuming USA) before you have to wed or send her back.
It's a high risk with a high potential gain.
I for one am of the opinion that you can do everything right and still get screwed in the end but I know too that if done right you can drastically minimize those odds.
No my friend. Not ALL Colomianas should be treated as an opportunist. No more than all gringos should be considered loud mouth, over spending, dumb as$es.
[QUOTE=Fabone]Sorry to hear about your experience Dude55. I've heard of and personally seen MANY over the years. However, there are men you are having success in finding a "keeper" in that sea of opportunistic chicas that are out their working estranjeros for an opportunity at a better life.
If we lump ALL Colombianas into such statements then we are no better than them when they make comments (and they do) such as:
"All gringos are bad in bed" or "Gringos don't know how to dance" or "Gringos are rude and have no personality."
The truth is that all of those statements accurately apply to someone's experience and they ASSUME that it's universal.
Well it's not universal for us. Not for them.
Like I said on previous posts, when you go to Colombia, you will attract people. Chicas, amigos and just curious passers by. But how you dress, present yourself, act, react, spend, not spend, eye contact, body language, and fundamentally your basic mindset. All of these things leave an impression of you with any people including of course the Colombianos.
Do we attract opportunists based on looking like an easy target or do we attract people who are genuinely interested in us as a person. Someone with style, class, respect and of interest.
No I'm in no way suggesting that you or the prior posting guy did not but odds are there was something about you to have attracted such a person though it could have just been the fact that you are estranjero.
But still, we have to realize that we can do all of this right and still get screwed over if we blindly trust.
If you're just out playing, play with the "fun girls" and realize who you are dealing with.
If you want a "good girl" in Colombia, you have to "fish in a different pond" of course.
But one you decide to move ahead with ONE girl and are considering bringing her home. The REAL work begins. You should be testing her every way possible in ways that she cannot anticipate. You'll have 5-6 months to do this while your novia visa is being processed. Then you'll have another 90 days to see how she adjusts in your country (I'm assuming USA) before you have to wed or send her back.
It's a high risk with a high potential gain.
I for one am of the opinion that you can do everything right and still get screwed in the end but I know too that if done right you can drastically minimize those odds.
No my friend. Not ALL Colomianas should be treated as an opportunist. No more than all gringos should be considered loud mouth, over spending, dumb as$es.[/QUOTE]
The commitment to a Colombian girl doesn't have to be high risk. Like every commitment that has value, there is risk. The risk is financial and emotional. Financially, a good pre-nuptial agreement will limit the financial risks. It is imperative for anyone who has any wealth of substance that is a reality, or a dream. Simply put, it makes no sense not to limit your financial exposure if the little darling tries to "game on" you.
Secondly, the emotional aspect should be manageable if one understands that no matter what the intention, one never owns another, and we all free moral agents. My thought is simple: If anyone wants to bring a Colombian girl to a western country, you have the power to give opportunity and hope that simply does not exists in Colombia for the vast, vast majority of these young women. If, after she arrives in "your" country, you two can't co-exist, you wish her well, with good energy, and a hope for her to find what she is looking for, even if it really isn't you.
The Buddha teaches that the source of all pain is unfulfilled desires. If you have the desire to enhance another's life, provide them with an opportunity. To give a little love; then whatever they chose to do should not create a substantial risk. Finally, from a philosophical point-of-view, maybe there will be at least one person who mourns your death. Love and compassion should never lead to pain. Ego leads to. You get the point.
Only good energy!
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]Sure you wanna tar 'em all with the same brush? I've met loads of great, honest, sincere, loyal Colombian girls.
And plenty of US women who'd try the same trick as your Medellin woman in a heartbeat.[/QUOTE]No I won't. Don't get me wrong, but what I wrote was about ONE girl from Colombia. I like the people there, I like the country, unfortunately I picked the wrong girl.
I was many times in Colombia, spent the time with her. Under the given circumstances it was not possible to bring her to Germany. She had no job, no bank account and all these things they are asking for before they give a Visa. After travelling for 1.5 years to Colombia we married there. After that she got a 90 days Visa, but only under the condition that I booked a language course for her. During all this time there have been some cases which let me doubt on her, but never I expected the outcome. It was like this, that she lived before with her novio and the times after our marriage when she was alone over there to visit her "family". Sure, now I say how stupid I was, but during that time with her I always put my doubts to the background. When we have been together to Colombia or when we lived together in Germany she was the cutest esposa you can imagine. Of course there have been from beginning these questions to help her family, but damn I married her and her family was also my family. So I paid her a salary via my company to her Colombian account. Later I had to learn that her family never saw one peso of this money. She used it all to make the apartment she shared with this guy to a high class one.
And yes, all this can happen with a european or american woman too. What scared me was the way she played this game for more than 2 years. Finally the doubts I had became too much. Furthermore she has a sister who is living in Spain and she told me the story. Worse on all this is, I can't proof if it is right or not. And the sister in Spain is only her "half-sister". Maybe she is just jealous because she and her husband have it quite difficult over there and they don't know how to survive.
Therefore again, does anybody know a detectiv in Pereira?
[QUOTE=Fabone]Sorry to hear about your experience Dude55. I've heard of and personally seen MANY over the years. However, there are men you are having success in finding a "keeper" in that sea of opportunistic chicas that are out their working estranjeros for an opportunity at a better life.
No my friend. Not ALL Colomianas should be treated as an opportunist. No more than all gringos should be considered loud mouth, over spending, dumb as$es.[/QUOTE]Awesome post!
[quote=oliver 0205]no i won't. don't get me wrong, but what i wrote was about one girl from colombia. i like the people there, i like the country, unfortunately i picked the wrong girl.
so i paid her a salary via my company to her colombian account. later i had to learn that her family never saw one peso of this money. she used it all to make the apartment she shared with this guy to a high class one.[/quote]thanks for sharing.
this is like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] for women.
it happens all of the time but is rarely reported.
keep you guard up out there.
I seriously don't get it.. I'm not a marriage councelor, but why are some guys in such a rush to get married? The only reason I see is if you want kids. Any other reason and a novia is just fine. Why do think the divorce rates in your country is high? It's from all the people rushing into marriage. Go to a foreign country where the economy is even worse.. then multiply the divorce rate about a thousand. The odds are even worse. Most will have ulteria motives. Seeing a paisa a couple of times a year does not mean you know them. What do you think they're doing in between the times you are not there? Sitting at home by the phone waiting for your phone call? Odds are they have some more guys on the side. I'm not going to generalize all paisas like that, but the percentage is great in Colombia and any other country. If you are really serious about a successful marriage, move to their country and stay with them for 2 years and then make a decision.
[QUOTE=Hioctane]I seriously don't get it. If you are really serious about a successful marriage, move to their country and stay with them for 2 years and then make a decision.[/QUOTE]Many of those posting here will share this general view and to be honest with you, I think that they have a valid point and have every right to enjoy many women over many years with no strings attached.
Of course your final line is unrealistic for most guys.
If that were posible for me and most posting here, Colombia would be one crowded place. Hahaha
There are guys who want to share more than a bed with a great woman.
They'd like to bring a "good choice of a woman" back and live life with her.
Sure kids "could" be part of their plans but sharing all that life has to offer, might be their primary reason. Everyone is wired slightly different.
To each their own but having enjoyed both lifestyles to great lenghts, I find it hard to be so one sided in my opinion.
I choose to support both.
[QUOTE=Hioctane]I seriously don't get it.. I'm not a marriage councelor, but why are some guys in such a rush to get married? The only reason I see is if you want kids. Any other reason and a novia is just fine. Why do think the divorce rates in your country is high? It's from all the people rushing into marriage. Go to a foreign country where the economy is even worse.. then multiply the divorce rate about a thousand. The odds are even worse.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I think it's social pressures that lead so many men astray. Plus years of watching bs Hollywood movies that show men and women falling in love and then marrying in ways that are complete fabrications, nothing to do with real life, and yet people fall for this nonsense.
So the consensus is if you're not married by a certain age, you're either gay or there's something wrong with you; and divorced women are also judgmental about men who have never married by a certain age (as if their prospects for remarriage are any better, their loss I guess). I say you just got to have the cojones to reject the social bs and live the way you see fit, not this societal mirage that's painted for us.
Brother this is your fault, many guys think when you go to Colombia to meet this paisas you are going to be able to buy love. Mijo you are a Sucker this happens to alot af men when you visit medallo. Just live and learn how to play this game. I visit Colombia 5 times per year and I play with all of them not in a hurry to marry this hoes not at all.
[QUOTE=Oliver 0205]No I won't. Don't get me wrong, but what I wrote was about ONE girl from Colombia. I like the people there, I like the country, unfortunately I picked the wrong girl.
I was many times in Colombia, spent the time with her. Under the given circumstances it was not possible to bring her to Germany. She had no job, no bank account and all these things they are asking for before they give a Visa. After travelling for 1.5 years to Colombia we married there. After that she got a 90 days Visa, but only under the condition that I booked a language course for her. During all this time there have been some cases which let me doubt on her, but never I expected the outcome. It was like this, that she lived before with her novio and the times after our marriage when she was alone over there to visit her "family". Sure, now I say how stupid I was, but during that time with her I always put my doubts to the background. When we have been together to Colombia or when we lived together in Germany she was the cutest esposa you can imagine. Of course there have been from beginning these questions to help her family, but damn I married her and her family was also my family. So I paid her a salary via my company to her Colombian account. Later I had to learn that her family never saw one peso of this money. She used it all to make the apartment she shared with this guy to a high class one.
And yes, all this can happen with a european or american woman too. What scared me was the way she played this game for more than 2 years. Finally the doubts I had became too much. Furthermore she has a sister who is living in Spain and she told me the story. Worse on all this is, I can't proof if it is right or not. And the sister in Spain is only her "half-sister". Maybe she is just jealous because she and her husband have it quite difficult over there and they don't know how to survive.
Therefore again, does anybody know a detectiv in Pereira?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Phunluv]I say you just got to have the cojones to reject the social bs and live the way you see fit, not this societal mirage that's painted for us.[/QUOTE]I don't agree with the whole but WOW: I like this part!
Spot on!
[QUOTE=Fabone]Many of those posting here will share this general view and to be honest with you, I think that they have a valid point and have every right to enjoy many women over many years with no strings attached.
Of course your final line is unrealistic for most guys.
If that were posible for me and most posting here, Colombia would be one crowded place. Hahaha
There are guys who want to share more than a bed with a great woman.
They'd like to bring a "good choice of a woman" back and live life with her.
Sure kids "could" be part of their plans but sharing all that life has to offer, might be their primary reason. Everyone is wired slightly different.
To each their own but having enjoyed both lifestyles to great lenghts, I find it hard to be so one sided in my opinion.
I choose to support both.[/QUOTE]Senor Fabone, you may be fairly new to this board, however, you are definitely not new to Colombia and it's culture.
This ISG has it's share of characters, and it's drama at times, but every once in a while a new guy shows up with some pretty good wisdom and not all bravado.
I've enjoyed your posts.
Thanks
Well, I've been here for a year already and have NO INTENTION of coming back.
Of course the LAST THING I want is a monogamous wife who expects the same of me. I avoid those types of people like the plague. To me a "good girl" is one who doesnt mind sharing and BEING SHARED, and they are much more common than you think here.
I find it extremely offensive the idea that you are RESCUING someone from poor dirty dangerous Colombia. The fact is that most people who live here appreciate the HELL out of it. This is a beautiful country with lots to offer, lots to offer that they can NEVER replace in N. America or Europe.
If you have that kind of a shitty mentality, you better forget about your plans, because you are starting from a position of LACK OF RESPECT, and that will ALWAYS negatively affect the relationship. If you have THAT low of an opinon of Colombia as a country, you have NO BUSINESS hooking up in a serious relationship with anybody who has any ties here.
After reading reports from several forums about where I should go to learn Spanish and chase Chicas, I've decided to focus on Columbia and the Dominican Republic.
Of course the whole affair is still 9 months away and I'm open to additional info, so this isn't set in stone. Still, that's the way I'm leaning right now.
Thanks heaps to all of you whi offerd advice. I tried to PM thanks to all of you, but if I missed one or two I apologise and offer my appreciaition.
Any advice on how to find affordable (less than $900 US a month) apartments for the 10 weeks, advice on language schools or intructors (those that have already offerd advice on this I'll be in touch) and any other tidbits would be gladly accepted.
As I move closer to leraving I'll keep you all up to date.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Well, I've been here for a year already and have NO INTENTION of coming back.
Of course the LAST THING I want is a monogamous wife who expects the same of me. I avoid those types of people like the plague. To me a "good girl" is one who doesnt mind sharing and BEING SHARED, and they are much more common than you think here.
I find it extremely offensive the idea that you are RESCUING someone from poor dirty dangerous Colombia. The fact is that most people who live here appreciate the HELL out of it. This is a beautiful country with lots to offer, lots to offer that they can NEVER replace in N. America or Europe.
If you have that kind of a shitty mentality, you better forget about your plans, because you are starting from a position of LACK OF RESPECT, and that will ALWAYS negatively affect the relationship. If you have THAT low of an opinon of Colombia as a country, you have NO BUSINESS hooking up in a serious relationship with anybody who has any ties here.[/QUOTE]Dude,
No need for all the hostility take a freekin' valium or something. That said, you are spot on that most Colombians wouldn't leave their beloved country if given the chance, some absolutely would but most wouldn't. My novia knows she has a standing offer to move to the states any time she wants to and would never even give it a thought and she comes from a very poor barrio.
I can rent you a furnished apartment in a nice neighborhood in Barranquilla for $150/month which will include all of your utilities. It's in a Strato 6 neighborhood. The bus stops infront of the house and takes you to the Universidad del Norte where you can study Spanish at the best school in the city. The cost for the Spanish classes is approx $4.50 per hour and you can do about 2 hours per day in the evening.
[QUOTE=RobbyPump]After reading reports from several forums about where I should go to learn Spanish and chase Chicas, I've decided to focus on Columbia and the Dominican Republic.
Of course the whole affair is still 9 months away and I'm open to additional info, so this isn't set in stone. Still, that's the way I'm leaning right now.
Thanks heaps to all of you whi offerd advice. I tried to PM thanks to all of you, but if I missed one or two I apologise and offer my appreciaition.
Any advice on how to find affordable (less than $900 US a month) apartments for the 10 weeks, advice on language schools or intructors (those that have already offerd advice on this I'll be in touch) and any other tidbits would be gladly accepted.
As I move closer to leraving I'll keep you all up to date.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Well, I've been here for a year already and have NO INTENTION of coming back.
Of course the LAST THING I want is a monogamous wife who expects the same of me. I avoid those types of people like the plague. To me a "good girl" is one who doesn't mind sharing and BEING SHARED, and they are much more common than you think here.
I find it extremely offensive the idea that you are RESCUING someone from poor dirty dangerous Colombia. The fact is that most people who live here appreciate the HELL out of it. This is a beautiful country with lots to offer, lots to offer that they can NEVER replace in N. America or Europe.
If you have that kind of a shitty mentality, you better forget about your plans, because you are starting from a position of LACK OF RESPECT, and that will ALWAYS negatively affect the relationship. If you have THAT low of an opinon of Colombia as a country, you have NO BUSINESS hooking up in a serious relationship with anybody who has any ties here.[/QUOTE]Leaving and never coming back?
I assume that you are in Colombia? Bogota?
If you have lived in Colombia for the past year, I'm sure you are speaking from experience and although no 2 people share the same experience, your advice warrants full attention.
From my experience with Colombia, I find it to be a "bitter sweet" place for the Colombians. The truth is, they can't walk away from the ATM counting their cash like we can in most neighborhoods here. Most have seen someone stabbed, shot, or a dead body or two. They've all watched someone get mugged/robbed.
But with the lack of regulation comes freedoms. Freedom to a people with a passion for life! They love to live. They know their neighbors. They look you in the eye when you talk to them and are not slow to flash a smile!
It's a unique place, Colombia.
I know Colombianos here in the US. I think that they all smile in fond memory when they speak of Colombia. Although here, most choose to buy homes in Colombia to retire to one day. And I say that's cool too.
But Bango says he's not coming back? If I understood you correctly?
I've never lived this personally, but I can imagine that the old adage "It's a nice place to visit, I wouldn't want to live there" could apply for Bango based on his experience. However with sites such as "poor but happy" being in existence, it's obvious that there are other opinions too.
Bango makes another good point on the "monogamous wife" comment.
He wants to share and be shared. That's a strong and liberal position that flies in the face of conventional thinking and my hat is off to him. That's cool.
I tend to think of a woman's sexuality as a scale in a spectrum:
On the left end there's the virgin who will not have sex until she is married.
On the right is the full blown puta that will bang you any time, anywhere and she don't give a sh! % who knows about it.
In between those two extremes exists the vast majority. With differing sexual appetites and self projections. I tend to like my "fun girls" somewhat right of center. She tends to be fun and allows me to have fun too.
But if I really care for some one, I selfishly want her somewhere center of the far left and dead center.
It's crazy but I think there are a lot of guys who tend to look women only as one extreme or the other.
Hell, Bango is way ahead of me. He wants girls who will not only let him bang others but he's ok with her banging others too.
I'm ok with this with "fun" girls, but my "dream" girl would be faithful to me and only me while she would be ok with me banging other chicas as I felt I wanted to. Hahahahaha
All kidding aside, Bango makes one more good point here when he says that: It is VERY presumptuous of us to think that we are going to "rescue" these girls from this life, this place.
Here's the fact. Now listen carefully here:
The majority of the good, healthy family type girls that leave their country, culture, language & family one day and move to another country. No matter how prosperous, no matter how much in love. Go thru withdrawals and end up in depression. They end up moving home. (Can work both ways, look at Bango's first sentence)
The more mature the woman the more likely she can handle the change. (There goes the idea of bringing that little 19 year old home! Darn! )
Now an opportunistic chica will be ALL OVER IT and divorce your as$, take half then, without looking back, move on up the ladder. Whatever that may be.
Look guys, opinions are like. Well you know.
Just use your head (the big one).
And remember: It Ain't Ever Black & White Out There! Ever
Yes sir, I'm here in beautiful Bogota Colombia. And NEVER going back.
I also have 15 years previously hanging out with the Colombian community in Toronto and NY where I previously lived. Most Colombians can not STAND being out of their country. I'd say like 98 or 99% of them.
It is definitely more dangerous than here, and I have the knife scars to prove it. But I still feel the positives far outweigh the negatives.
Let me just say once you get in the right circle here you'd be SURPRISED how open minded people can be.
Sorry about my atrocious spelling in the title of my last posting. Must have been thinking of the chicas rather than checking my diction. So to speak.
Miami. I'll keep you in mind and thanks for the offer. I've still got a while to go until final plans need to laid.
[QUOTE=RobbyPump]After reading reports from several forums about where I should go to learn Spanish and chase Chicas, I've decided to focus on Columbia and the Dominican Republic.
Of course the whole affair is still 9 months away and I'm open to additional info, so this isn't set in stone. Still, that's the way I'm leaning right now.
Thanks heaps to all of you whi offerd advice. I tried to PM thanks to all of you, but if I missed one or two I apologise and offer my appreciaition.
Any advice on how to find affordable (less than $900 US a month) apartments for the 10 weeks, advice on language schools or intructors (those that have already offerd advice on this I'll be in touch) and any other tidbits would be gladly accepted.
As I move closer to leraving I'll keep you all up to date.
Thanks[/QUOTE]I would definitely recommend against taking classes in the DR. Dominican Spanish is very regional and unique. Give the regionalized dialect of MDE/Antioquia and the Costeña dialect in CTG/BAQ. BOG may be your best bet in Colombia (note the spelling) to learn neutral Spanish. I went to a language school in Lima. I found that Peruvian Spanish is very neutral and easier to understand. PM me if you want details on the school.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Well, I've been here for a year already and have NO INTENTION of coming back.
Of course the LAST THING I want is a monogamous wife who expects the same of me. I avoid those types of people like the plague. To me a "good girl" is one who doesnt mind sharing and BEING SHARED, and they are much more common than you think here.
I find it extremely offensive the idea that you are RESCUING someone from poor dirty dangerous Colombia. The fact is that most people who live here appreciate the HELL out of it. This is a beautiful country with lots to offer, lots to offer that they can NEVER replace in N. America or Europe.
If you have that kind of a shitty mentality, you better forget about your plans, because you are starting from a position of LACK OF RESPECT, and that will ALWAYS negatively affect the relationship. If you have THAT low of an opinon of Colombia as a country, you have NO BUSINESS hooking up in a serious relationship with anybody who has any ties here.[/QUOTE]I guess my logic was all screwed up. I was under the impression that Colombia is a poor, dirty and dangerous country. I thought making it possible for a beautiful and intelligent student to come to the U.S. to get a degree from a U.S. university would be a good thing. Certainly she wants to return to Colombia to help "her" people. I thought that this rescue, and that is what it is, would evidence a great respect and hope for her future.
Colombia is different. One might certainly chose it over another place. And, no doubt, it has qualities that can't be found anywhere else - especially its women. In most instances people want to live in their "homeland". Some have bitter experiences and would never want to return there. I just thought that it was a good idea to help a very bright Colombian girl to become educated in the U.S. Am I missing something?
Only good energy, where ever you are, and what ever you are running from.
I'm planning a trip to the Baranquillan Carnival.
Any info or advice would be much appreciated.
PS: Also if you have info on rental apartments in Baranquilla that would be great.
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Yes sir, I'm here in beautiful Bogota Colombia. And NEVER going back.
I also have 15 years previously hanging out with the Colombian community in Toronto and NY where I previously lived. Most Colombians can not STAND being out of their country. I'd say like 98 or 99% of them.
It is definitely more dangerous than here, and I have the knife scars to prove it. But I still feel the positives far outweigh the negatives.
Let me just say once you get in the right circle here you'd be SURPRISED how open minded people can be.[/QUOTE]Im Medellin born Colombian and came to the US when I wuz 2 yrs old, Im 40 know and I know the Colombian culture in religion politics blah blah blah, and the majority and let me say this again the majority of Colombians want to live a better life financially and not worried about walking the streets in Colombia. And eye tell u from first hand that the majority would love to live and work here in the US. Again there is two type of society, well off and the poor. The poor always support communism and so forth like in Cuba, the poor love Castro regime, but the intelligent and wise successfull knows whats up and know that there is better life here in the states, 98% what a joke! I always hear different than a chica talking to gringos ear, eye know when I exchange info from the same chicas they luv to treat u and tell u what u want to hear, but eye get the real story, just keeping it real.
Karloz
[QUOTE=Legal Tender] I just thought that it was a good idea to help a very bright Colombian girl to become educated in the USA Am I missing something? [/QUOTE]I think so. A very bright Colombian girl (or guy) can get almost free tertiary education at Colombia's top university. Why would they want to almost bankrupt themselves to attend a US university which on the whole are of poorer quality?
Dangerous, yes, poor, no, it's about on the median line as far as PPP goes, there are as many countries poorer than Colombia as are richer, dirty, depends on how you define dirty.
To the other dude, you don't even LIVE here, how would you know what people think? I don't care if you were born here, that means nothing in the long run. Colombia has no higher percentage of its population living in the exterior than do Canada Australia New Zealand and the UK.
Getting an education in a US university, well it all depends on the institution obviously. High school level or below, Colombian education KILLS US education. Hands down.
The more I stay here the more I learn NOT to underrate things here. Take that for what it's worth.
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]I think so. A very bright Colombian girl (or guy) can get almost free tertiary education at Colombia's top university. Why would they want to almost bankrupt themselves to attend a US university which on the whole are of poorer quality? [/QUOTE]Incorrect facts leads to faulty conclusions. According to USA News & World Report's ranking of the World's Best Colleges & Universities, there is not a single Colombian university in the top 400. The highest ranking institution in Sur Americano is University of Campinas (Unicamp) in Brazil, which is ranked 249th. 13 of the top 20 are in the USA And, providing this opportunity to a worthy Colombian girl, damn sure won't bankrupt me. But, thanks for the viewpoint.
University of Campinas (Unicamp)
[QUOTE=Calizum]Im Medellin born Colombian and came to the US when I wuz 2 yrs old, Im 40 know and I know the Colombian culture in religion politics blah blah blah, and the majority and let me say this again the majority of Colombians want to live a better life financially and not worried about walking the streets in Colombia. And eye tell u from first hand that the majority would love to live and work here in the US. Again there is two type of society, well off and the poor. The poor always support communism and so forth like in Cuba, the poor love Castro regime, but the intelligent and wise successfull knows whats up and know that there is better life here in the states, 98% what a joke! I always hear different than a chica talking to gringos ear, eye know when I exchange info from the same chicas they luv to treat u and tell u what u want to hear, but eye get the real story, just keeping it real.
Karloz[/QUOTE]If you came to the U.S. when you were two years old what makes you an authority on what Colombians living in Colombia want? Bango is living in Colombia currently so he should know what he's talking about, not you.
[QUOTE=Calizum] ... eye know when I exchange info from the same chicas they luv to treat u and tell u what u want to hear, but eye get the real story, just keeping it real ...
Karloz[/QUOTE]Eye just loved your post.
Thanks for keeping it real.
Eye am glad we have you for that.
[QUOTE=Legal Tender]Incorrect facts leads to faulty conclusions. According to USA News & World Report's ranking of the World's Best Colleges & Universities, there is not a single Colombian university in the top 400. The highest ranking institution in Sur Americano is University of Campinas (Unicamp) in Brazil, which is ranked 249th. 13 of the top 20 are in the USA And, providing this opportunity to a worthy Colombian girl, damn sure won't bankrupt me. But, thanks for the viewpoint.
University of Campinas (Unicamp)[/QUOTE]Well I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you re universities. Sure there are some good universities in the US: that's not my point. My point is that the *majority* of universities in the US are very iffy. And given a choice between an almost free tertiary education at the very highly regarded National University and bankrupting yourself to get a degree from an iffy US university I know what I'd do.
I recently received an advertisement for the above visa type from a so called law firm. Is anybody familiar with this type of visa? Below is some of the ad:
Colombian Residency Tips: The Permanent Friend Visa other wise known as the companeros permanente visa is another Colombia Residency.Alternative to the marriage visa, but requires less paperwork in time to process. once this visa is processed you can stay in Colombia for two years before you have to renew the visa. For this month only we are charging a small fee of only US$300 to process paperwork necessary to get this visa in Colombia.
Thanks and enjoy!
Once again, if you're sending the girl to a top notch school in the US, yeah, it will be worth it, if you're sending her to a community college or such, she's probably better off getting educated in Colombia. There's no doubt the top schools in the US are serious business, but there's also a good number of universities in the US where the PROFESSORS much less the students are functionally illiterate (a good part of the CUNY system in NYC comes to mind).
No truer words could be said. Take EVERYTHING everybody in Colombia tells you with a grain of salt until they PROVE themselves worthy of trust. Telling people what they want to hear in order to smooth things over is deeply engrained into Latin culture, and Colombians are total experts at it.
Question for anyone who knows. I understand Hooters is now open in Poblado, is this true? And if so, are they showing the NFL games?
[QUOTE=Manizales911]If you came to the USA When you were two years old what makes you an authority on what Colombians living in Colombia want? Bango is living in Colombia currently so he should know what he's talking about, not you.[/QUOTE]I left out that since I wuz two to my senior year, I would go to Medellin or better yet antioquia every summer and after that I have lived there back here in the states due to my business especially in Manrique. Medellin is my soul city from birth and my place of rest when I die.
Look if you where to wear a pilot uniform or any other uniform, the fact is people will treat you the way you dress, groom, skin color, your origin birth state, tongue and speak there paisa tongue spanish, treat you differently. Any chica, tika, gal, ***** or whatever will treat and approach a gringo way differently to me and if he is also latin, well a fat latin cat male will have the inside trak. But that don't matter as there is plenty to share, as a matter of fact if you live in any of these country, there to many to handle and your contact list on your phone is beyond any single monger can handle. But remember these women know how 2 please because of the ca$h. Period.
I have a dear buddy that I introduce a gorgeous shakira Paisa like tika, he fell in love with her cause she treated him like a king. She did everything from cooking in the morning to get his nuts off, freaky in bed but a lady in the streets like we all want, they got married, I warned him but as soon as his volatile company assets shrunk and dissapeared in the states, she left him quicker than quick. This is most common scenario. So what I'm saying for those of you who really want to keep one, don't look 4 her at the mansion, try other places.
Have a nice happy mongering weekend.
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HOOTERS IS IN ENVIGADO PAPA, you go to medellin to watch the nfl is kind a looser thinking to do for myself don't spend too much time watching these gorillas kill eachother not when i'm in medallo, I rather explore the sexual wildsides of the paisas or maybe the hooter girls ahhhhh this is a paradise full of fine paisas all over antioquia.
[QUOTE=Furysys]Question for anyone who knows. I understand Hooters is now open in Poblado, is this true? And if so, are they showing the NFL games?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Calizum]I left out that since I wuz two to my senior year, I would go to Medellin or better yet antioquia every summer and after that I have lived there back here in the states due to my business especially in Manrique. Medellin is my soul city from birth and my place of rest when I die.
Look if you where to wear a pilot uniform or any other uniform, the fact is people will treat you the way you dress, groom, skin color, your origin birth state, tongue and speak there paisa tongue spanish, treat you differently. Any chica, tika, gal, ***** or whatever will treat and approach a gringo way differently to me and if he is also latin, well a fat latin cat male will have the inside trak. But that don't matter as there is plenty to share, as a matter of fact if you live in any of these country, there to many to handle and your contact list on your phone is beyond any single monger can handle. But remember these women know how 2 please because of the ca$h. Period.
I have a dear buddy that I introduce a gorgeous shakira Paisa like tika, he fell in love with her cause she treated him like a king. She did everything from cooking in the morning to get his nuts off, freaky in bed but a lady in the streets like we all want, they got married, I warned him but as soon as his volatile company assets shrunk and dissapeared in the states, she left him quicker than quick. This is most common scenario. So what I'm saying for those of you who really want to keep one, don't look 4 her at the mansion, try other places.
Have a nice happy mongering weekend.
[blue][b]Non-English text deleted by Admin[/b][/blue][/QUOTE]You have an interestng way of putting things but I'd say two things:
1) You DO understand the Colombian culture better than most on this post due to the fact that you were raised by your Colombian parents here AND that they made sure to send you to Colombia each summer. You ARE Colombiano. Of course you have the advantage of a US cultural infuence too.
2) You are young and although you "know" Colombia, you are limited by the experience that you have and therefore can still have plenty to learn. About Both Colombian & US cultures, their women and life itself. And that's OK. Hell, it's normal.
You still speak in generalities regarding latinas and believe me I know, there DO exist chicas who prefer a "fat cat" smooth as$ gringo over latino.
Though "generally" speaking you are correct. Also there DO exists chicas that aren't focused on "the cash", as you put it.
You know a guy who fell for a paisa who took him for a ride.
I know another guy who married & brought his girl back to the US and get this: In over 3 years she's never ask for a dime, she worships the ground he walks on AND she's fuat#ing HOT!
Man I know several success stories with these girls. You just have to see past the BS and find the right one. IF that is your goal.
My advice: Enjoy them, guard your heart, get a LOT of experience ant test, test, test. Eventually you'l recognize the differences in these girls.
Good post Calizum!
Look if you where to wear a pilot uniform or any other uniform, the fact is people will treat you the way you dress, groom, skin color, your origin birth state, tongue and speak there paisa tongue spanish, treat you differently. Any chica, tika, gal, ***** or whatever will treat and approach a gringo way differently to me and if he is also latin, well a fat latin cat male will have the inside trak. But that don't matter as there is plenty to share, as a matter of fact if you live in any of these country, there to many to handle and your contact list on your phone is beyond any single monger can handle. But remember these women know how 2 please because of the ca$h. Period.
Dude: If Eye "where to wear a pilot uniform........"
Sorry, you lost me.
[QUOTE=Calizum]. So what I'm saying for those of you who really want to keep one, don't look 4 her at the mansion, try other places.[/QUOTE]Anyone who disagrees with this statement needs 50 sessions of therapy before their next mongering trip.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Once again, if you're sending the girl to a top notch school in the US, yeah, it will be worth it, if you're sending her to a community college or such, she's probably better off getting educated in Colombia. There's no doubt the top schools in the US are serious business, but there's also a good number of universities in the US where the PROFESSORS much less the students are functionally illiterate (a good part of the CUNY system in NYC comes to mind).
No truer words could be said. Take EVERYTHING everybody in Colombia tells you with a grain of salt until they PROVE themselves worthy of trust. Telling people what they want to hear in order to smooth things over is deeply engrained into Latin culture, and Colombians are total experts at it.[/QUOTE]Funny you mention illiterate professors. My oldest daughter goes to a university in Connecticut. She called me the other day which was her first day of school and told me her English Composition professor wrote the title of the class on the blackboard and spelled composition c-o-m-p-E-s-i-t-i-o-n.
I almost pissed my pants laughing until I remembered I was paying 15K a year for her to have a professor that can't f**king spell.
Seems to be a dreadful outbreak of chatspeak on this thread.
Would someone care to tell me exactly why all readers have to spend time deciphering this crap just so one person can save a few seconds typing?
[QUOTE=Fabone]You have an interestng way of putting things but I'd say two things:
1) You DO understand the Colombian culture better than most on this post due to the fact that you were raised by your Colombian parents here AND that they made sure to send you to Colombia each summer. You ARE Colombiano. Of course you have the advantage of a US cultural infuence too.
2) You are young and although you "know" Colombia, you are limited by the experience that you have and therefore can still have plenty to learn. About Both Colombian & US cultures, their women and life itself. And that's OK. Hell, it's normal.
You still speak in generalities regarding latinas and believe me I know, there DO exist chicas who prefer a "fat cat" smooth as$ gringo over latino.
Though "generally" speaking you are correct. Also there DO exists chicas that aren't focused on "the cash", as you put it.
You know a guy who fell for a paisa who took him for a ride.
I know another guy who married & brought his girl back to the US and get this: In over 3 years she's never ask for a dime, she worships the ground he walks on AND she's fuat#ing HOT!
Man I know several success stories with these girls. You just have to see past the BS and find the right one. IF that is your goal.
My advice: Enjoy them, guard your heart, get a LOT of experience ant test, test, test. Eventually you'l recognize the differences in these girls.
Good post Calizum![/QUOTE]1. Yes I know the majority of course there are those gems out there like a needle in the haystack but when u live there is easier to find them.
2. Well Im already going thru my middle age crisis as Im in my 40s so Im not young nor old I am going thru that ripe age like a nice green mango, u bite it with salt then straight down with fire water or as we Paisa say aguardiente!
And going off topics on what the majority Colombians want to try the American Economy, well its not flourishing lately but it aint no percentage as stated b 4.
Eye <3 Colombia
[QUOTE=Psychman]Anyone who disagrees with this statement needs 50 sessions of therapy before their next mongering trip.[/QUOTE]lmao!
And they call it "common" sense.
Psychman's right.
If you're fishing for bass, get off the ocean and find a lake.
Now with that said, stranger things HAVE happened but the odds are soooooo heavy against you, why even risk it? !
[QUOTE=Legal Tender]Incorrect facts leads to faulty conclusions. According to USA News & World Report's ranking of the World's Best Colleges & Universities, there is not a single Colombian university in the top 400. The highest ranking institution in Sur Americano is University of Campinas (Unicamp) in Brazil, which is ranked 249th. 13 of the top 20 are in the USA And, providing this opportunity to a worthy Colombian girl, damn sure won't bankrupt me. But, thanks for the viewpoint.
University of Campinas (Unicamp)[/QUOTE]Awesome LT.
Most Colombianos suffer from some type of superiority complex.
I've heard from several Colombianos how much better their educaion is than the US. The stories site examples of Colombianos who studied in the US and returned to Colombia to attwend ther only to find themselves way behind.
I thought that sounded like BS.
Thanks for the input LT.
[QUOTE=Fabone]Awesome LT.
Most Colombianos suffer from some type of superiority complex.
I've heard from several Colombianos how much better their educaion is than the US. The stories site examples of Colombianos who studied in the US and returned to Colombia to attwend ther only to find themselves way behind.
I thought that sounded like BS.
Thanks for the input LT.[/QUOTE]US primary and secondary education is second rate compared to most countries, both first and third world.
However, when it comes to university level, any US earned degree is worth its weight in gold compared to a degree from any Latin American university (save for those few off-shore or Mexican medical/dental schools).
Why do you think the US university system depends so much on foreign enrollment?
It's because it's the best.
Just my observation, Schwmm
The Colombian that I have experienced is a dichotomy and a sea of contridictions. The Colombians, without exception, that I know of have tremendous pride in their country and their particular geographic area. Yet, they want to leave in droves. My amiga copied me on an e-mail that she sent to a friend in Argentina. What stuck in my memory was the phrase: "I am happy that you were able to escape from Colombia." Yet, she boasts that Medellin has the most interesting culture, best universities, best people in all of the world.
Why would any of these beautiful young women want to leave Colombia? I assume there are all kinds of motives, especially given their inherent dislike of the yankees. Do we romanticize Colombia when we don't acknowledge Colombia's violent past, its present, and its foreseeable future. What is the hope for most young and beautiful Colombian girls? Find a young and handsome Colombian dude? And what would be his job? I think we call them "criminals".
The present Colombian government has hitched "their" stars to the USA Of A. Colombia's society, at its core, is corrupt, and that is incontrovertible. The USA Will have military in three different bases in Colombia. And those in power will certainly benefit financially. What does that matter here? The university students that I have talked with, with one exception, feel invaded.
The smart ones - the serious university students can enrich anyone's life. Some of them want to come to the U.S. in hope of finally working for the U.N. or other governmental organization or NGO so they can have power to change Colombia. Passion is intoxicating. And, combined with an ass that ought to be insured, it's all good.
Is it of interest to collectively understand how this shared history colors the values, culture and trustworthness of these beautiful creatures?
[QUOTE=Schwmmr]US primary and secondary education is second rate compared to most countries, both first and third world.
However, when it comes to university level, any US earned degree is worth its weight in gold compared to a degree from any Latin American university (save for those few off-shore or Mexican medical/dental schools).
Why do you think the US university system depends so much on foreign enrollment? ... Schwmm[/QUOTE]From my experience (I have been both a student and a professor in one of the top 5 US scientific universities), the level of US universities is very uneven.
The top 10 are the best in the world, no contest. Then the level drops dramatically. One can get better and cheaper education in many other places in the world.
Colombia has a long academic tradition. It was the center of the Spanish Empire, with all the administration and civil servants.
Regards. B.B.
[QUOTE=Schwmmr]US primary and secondary education is second rate compared to most countries, both first and third world.
However, when it comes to university level, any US earned degree is worth its weight in gold compared to a degree from any Latin American university (save for those few off-shore or Mexican medical/dental schools).
Why do you think the US university system depends so much on foreign enrollment?
It's because it's the best.
Just my observation, Schwmm[/QUOTE]I have been to my novia's niece's elementary school a couple dozen times to pick her up from school and can tell you first hand that you are correct that the grade schools are much,much better than here in the U.S. as my children here in the U.S. are not far removed from grade school. The facilities may be much older but they are neat as a pin and spotless and everything is much more organized and disciplined than here in the U.S.. The most striking thing to me is every kid has a smile on their face when they are in the classroom whereas the kids in the U.S. are half asleep and have pusses on their faces,a bunch of spoiled brats I'm afraid to say.
[QUOTE=Legal Tender]The Colombian that I have experienced is a dichotomy and a sea of contridictions. The Colombians, without exception, that I know of have tremendous pride in their country and their particular geographic area. Yet, they want to leave in droves. My amiga copied me on an e-mail that she sent to a friend in Argentina. What stuck in my memory was the phrase: "I am happy that you were able to escape from Colombia." Yet, she boasts that Medellin has the most interesting culture, best universities, best people in all of the world.
Why would any of these beautiful young women want to leave Colombia? I assume there are all kinds of motives, especially given their inherent dislike of the yankees. Do we romanticize Colombia when we don't acknowledge Colombia's violent past, its present, and its foreseeable future. What is the hope for most young and beautiful Colombian girls? Find a young and handsome Colombian dude? And what would be his job? I think we call them "criminals".
The present Colombian government has hitched "their" stars to the USA Of A. Colombia's society, at its core, is corrupt, and that is incontrovertible. The USA Will have military in three different bases in Colombia. And those in power will certainly benefit financially. What does that matter here? The university students that I have talked with, with one exception, feel invaded.
The smart ones - the serious university students can enrich anyone's life. Some of them want to come to the U.S. in hope of finally working for the U.N. or other governmental organization or NGO so they can have power to change Colombia. Passion is intoxicating. And, combined with an ass that ought to be insured, it's all good.
Is it of interest to collectively understand how this shared history colors the values, culture and trustworthness of these beautiful creatures?[/QUOTE]No one leaves their native land if they're on the top of the heap. Our own Homeland was peopled by those who couldn't cut it in the country in which they were born. Even the Pilgrims: if they were around today they'd all be Mike Huckabee voters. Think about it; people move for a fresh chance or a better opportunity. Hold a winning hand and you stand pat.
I would have posted this under the Dating Colombian forum but it's closed. Hope this is the right place to ask.
Came back from Colombia where I met what seems to be a nice, real girl. She's 23 and doesn't have a visa to the US. Understand that I'm not going to try to get her a US visa but I do a bit of travel around the world and was wondering how hard is it for Colombianas to travel?
Over the next few months, I'll be hitting Guatemala, Mexico and Nicaragua. I'd like to ask her to meet me but I don't know where they are restricted from traveling.
After reading the tips on the Dating Colombian forum, I can assuredly say that this girl met none of the criteria listed there. The whole time we were together there was never talk of money, needs, travel to the US or anything that normally sets off my alarms with golddiggers that I've met in other parts of the world.
Thanks for the tips.
[QUOTE=Schwmmr]Why do you think the US university system depends so much on foreign enrollment?
It's because it's the best.[/QUOTE]iirc the increase in foreign enrolment at the top US schools started increasing after the UK jacked up their prices for foreign students at their own public schools.
Oxford & Cambridge still have sufficient cachet to hold their against all comers but I believe that the otherwise top notch UK schools may have lost out to their US rivals.
I also, coincidentally, remember a ND professor tell me some years ago that the money most parents spent to send their offspring there was wasted: the reputation was much better than the education. I understand that ND is no Harvard, but its not some nameless state college either.
[QUOTE=Green Machine]I would have posted this under the Dating Colombian forum but it's closed. Hope this is the right place to ask.
Came back from Colombia where I met what seems to be a nice, real girl. She's 23 and doesn't have a visa to the US. Understand that I'm not going to try to get her a US visa but I do a bit of travel around the world and was wondering how hard is it for Colombianas to travel?
Over the next few months, I'll be hitting Guatemala, Mexico and Nicaragua. I'd like to ask her to meet me but I don't know where they are restricted from traveling.
After reading the tips on the Dating Colombian forum, I can assuredly say that this girl met none of the criteria listed there. The whole time we were together there was never talk of money, needs, travel to the US or anything that normally sets off my alarms with golddiggers that I've met in other parts of the world.
Thanks for the tips.[/QUOTE]Best would be to check the site of the embassy of the country where you would like to go with her. There you can see for which countries they require a Visa or not.
But from experience I can tell you that Colombians need nearly for every country a Visa. Some are easy to get, some are not.
[QUOTE=Green Machine]I would have posted this under the Dating Colombian forum but it's closed. Hope this is the right place to ask.
Came back from Colombia where I met what seems to be a nice, real girl. She's 23 and doesn't have a visa to the US. Understand that I'm not going to try to get her a US visa but I do a bit of travel around the world and was wondering how hard is it for Colombianas to travel?
Over the next few months, I'll be hitting Guatemala, Mexico and Nicaragua. I'd like to ask her to meet me but I don't know where they are restricted from traveling.
After reading the tips on the Dating Colombian forum, I can assuredly say that this girl met none of the criteria listed there. The whole time we were together there was never talk of money, needs, travel to the US or anything that normally sets off my alarms with golddiggers that I've met in other parts of the world.
Thanks for the tips.[/QUOTE]For whatever reasons, many countries require visas for Colombians. (Unlike Brazilians, as someone who travels around the world a bit, you probably knew this.) They can get into Brazil, argentina, Peru and a few others w/o visas. Some countries let them in with entry visas at the border. Go to Panama City with her, have a touristic visit and make the rounds of the Central American embassy Consulates to get visas. If nothing pans out, go to Peru, Argentina. Brazil. I believe that Chile also lets them in w/o a visa. Actually am doing this route myself.
Anybody wants to be a wingman? From 24 to 30
Mel. Are you in Bogota?
I recently fell for this gorgeous girl here, and am really good friends with her best friend. Her best friend was moving heaven and earth to get us together, but the girl went back with her ex bf, whom her friend can't stand (nobody in her circle can stand him, actually). She wrote her on her Facebook how happy she was that the two of them are back together again.
Same thing, your friend saying I'm glad you finally escaped. It's not from the bottom of the heart, it's just simple politeness. Colombians value politeness almost to a fault at times. You have to take comments like that with a grain of salt, like I said previously.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Colombians value politeness almost to a fault at times. [/QUOTE]You're clearly not brushing up against the hijos de putas that I seem to with seemingly increasing regularity.
Could have something to do with coming here from NYC instead. :P And being in Bogota and not in some provincial city.
Hi,
I'd like to know your opinion between Brazilian and Colombian girls.
What are hotter? What is more expensive for sex?
Thanks
[QUOTE=FoxesHunter]Hi,
I'd like to know your opinion between Brazilian and Colombian girls.
What are hotter? What is more expensive for sex?
Thanks[/QUOTE]My next trip is probably to Brazil. If been doing a lot of research and talking to other mongers..
Here's what they tell me. Brazilians have better bodies but Colombians have better faces. Anywhere near water the women are going to be darker. Medellin Colombia probably has the fairest skin women.
Prices are comparable if you venture into Centro in Brazil (I hear mixed things about the safety). Otherwise the touristy places are more expensive.
One thing that stands out about Brazil is that they have FS bath houses that pamper you.
Those damn Colombian mosquitos are just like their women. They sting the heck out of you and keep biting long after you´re gone!
I'm covered with (all sorts of) bites!
[QUOTE=Doc Bill]Those damn Colombian mosquitos are just like their women. They sting the heck out of you and keep biting long after you´re gone!
I'm covered with (all sorts of) bites![/QUOTE]Maybe that's why everyone wears long pants! I've been here twice and haven't gotten bitten once yet. It might be because I'm from the States where the mosquitos are crazy strong and I'm resistant!
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]You're clearly not brushing up against the hijos de putas that I seem to with seemingly increasing regularity.[/QUOTE]Also, try waiting for something in a situation where a line forms, not in a formal place like a bank or hotel, but in the open free world and the custom seems to be whoever can push their way to the front and be the most demanding is "the next in line".
Spirit in Nov. starts service to Armenia. the last post is over a year old. Does anyone have any info on this location? I hear the weather is great there and since MDE is getting more risky, I wonder if this could be virgin territory? LOL
I'd like to visit other places like San Andres or Cartagena on my next trip, but don't want to drive up to MDE. I can't seem to find any info for flying out of Olaya Herrera. I found the Aires airline site, but they seem to have no flights going anywhere. Any info would help. My first choice is San Andres. I'd love to do some scuba diving there.
[QUOTE=Hioctane]My next trip is probably to Brazil. If been doing a lot of research and talking to other mongers..
Here's what they tell me. Brazilians have better bodies but Colombians have better faces. Anywhere near water the women are going to be darker. Medellin Colombia probably has the fairest skin women.
Prices are comparable if you venture into Centro in Brazil (I hear mixed things about the safety). Otherwise the touristy places are more expensive.
One thing that stands out about Brazil is that they have FS bath houses that pamper you.[/QUOTE]IMO
Colombian gilrs hands down, prettier, better bodies(over all), better attitudes.
Brazilian girls seems to have a high ratio of butter faces.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]Spirit in Nov. starts service to Armenia. the last post is over a year old. Does anyone have any info on this location? I hear the weather is great there and since MDE is getting more risky, I wonder if this could be virgin territory? LOL[/QUOTE]Armenia has, in my opinion, the most beautiful girls in the country. However, the mongering there is not that good. There are about 3-4 pretty good bars/strip-clubs, but in my opinion the girls in the bars are pretty rough, they don't look like the "nice girls" who you see at the public. Of course, there are a few good ones, but nothing at all like bars in Medellin.
But, the two towns close to Armenia, which do have stellar mongering scenes are Pereira and Manizales. Both of these cities have someone of most beautiful women in the country (Pereira's reputation is nothing short of absolutely legendary). There are many great bars in both of the cities. In Pereira: Flores Frescas, Star Club, La Whiskeria. In Manizales: Oasis, Sammy, Joy, & Banana's.
You don't need to fly to any of these places. Manizales is 4 hour bus ride from Medellin (or, Armenia 4 hours from Cali), and all of these cities are 1 hour apart from each other by bus. I personally prefer Bogota (esp. Santa Fe) to any of these places including Medellin, but I absolutely love the whole Coffee Axis region also.
[QUOTE=Airhead]I'd like to visit other places like San Andres or Cartagena on my next trip, but don't want to drive up to MDE. I can't seem to find any info for flying out of Olaya Herrera. I found the Aires airline site, but they seem to have no flights going anywhere. Any info would help. My first choice is San Andres. I'd love to do some scuba diving there.[/QUOTE]No one here use google anymore?
Try [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olaya_Herrera_Airport#Scheduled_services[/url]
[QUOTE=Calizum] I warned him but as soon as his volatile company assets shrunk and dissapeared in the states, she left him quicker than quick. This is most common scenario. So what I'm saying for those of you who really want to keep one, don't look 4 her at the mansion, try other places.[/quote]Have a nice happy mongering weekend
We are all in the same boat in my opinion. The girls split when we go broke and we split when they go fat... So how to avoid someone splitting? make sure you never go broke. Dont overborrow, take it slow and in the long run you will be fine. For the woman, never go fat.
To me, Colombia, Venezuela and Brazil have the most beautiful girls in the world, in about that order. Colombia has an amazing variety not just of physical types but of mentalities as well, there's something here for everybody, IF you know where to look.
Colombia and Brazil are both great for mongering, Brazil probably has a slight edge as far as how things are set up. Prices are pretty similar, depending on currency fluctuations etc.
I think in both countries people vastly overestimate how easy it is to pick up a non-pro, however. I'm doing OK here but by no means am I drowning in pussy. The bar is set EXTREMELY high for competition here, and despite what the peanut gallery says, the truly cream of the group drop dead gorgeous girls don't really give two shits how much money you have. You have to be super smooth in conversation (in SPANISH of course), depending on the girl you have to be extremely good looking, a great dancer, etc.
Of course I tried that first, but if you take the time to look through the link, you'll find there are no actual flights to San Andres displayed.
I was hoping for some inside info rather than simple google searches.
Pues, since routes change very often, I would neither rely on wikipedia nor most probably outdated info.
Why not check with the airlines directly, as far as I remember, you'll be unable to book tix online from EOH with Satena (generally) and EasyFly (only Colombian/ some South American CC accepted).
[QUOTE=Slamcity7777]IMO
Colombian gilrs hands down, prettier, better bodies(over all), better attitudes.
Brazilian girls seems to have a high ratio of butter faces.[/QUOTE]Though I have to agree that IMO las Colombianas win overall for the prettier faces, the Brasilieras win hands down in the last 2 categories, better bodies and attitudes.
I want to go to Colombia, stay at a nice beach and meet some nice looking girls, dont care if they like me for money or not (I will pay). But where should i go? were is the nicest beach with the least crime? It would save me from having to go around myself to find out. I can afford to hire an armed body guard, but would that just draw more attention to me and end up kicking myself in the back after or would it be smart?
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Slamcity7777]IMO
Colombian gilrs hands down, prettier, better bodies(over all), better attitudes.
Brazilian girls seems to have a high ratio of butter faces.[/QUOTE]Forgive my ignorance, but what the H*LL is a "butter face"? (Haven't ever heard that term before)
[QUOTE=Hog Dog]Forgive my ignorance, but what the H*LL is a "butter face"? (Haven't ever heard that term before)[/QUOTE]Everything about her was hot "But Her Face".
Great body, but her face! Hence butter face
[QUOTE=Hog Dog]Forgive my ignorance, but what the H*LL is a "butter face"? (Haven't ever heard that term before)[/QUOTE]Everything looks good but her face, and thats old like decades old.
Beaches and mongering in Colombia don't mix very well. All the decent beaches are in real remote areas. You'd have to find your girl in the city and then take her there. And they'd have to trust you enough to go.
Butterface. Nice body, but her Face.
[QUOTE=Mr Varna]I want to go to Colombia, stay at a nice beach and meet some nice looking girls, dont care if they like me for money or not (I will pay). But where should i go? were is the nicest beach with the least crime? It would save me from having to go around myself to find out. I can afford to hire an armed body guard, but would that just draw more attention to me and end up kicking myself in the back after or would it be smart?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]If you must have a beach, your best bet is Cartegena. Prices will of course be more expensive because of all the tourists.
[QUOTE=Hioctane]If you must have a beach, your best bet is Cartegena. Prices will of course be more expensive because of all the tourists.[/QUOTE]Spot on.
The Hollywood Beach area there near Laguito & Boca Brande is fine for meeting chicas.
Beware of Tony & the like but you can have a nice time in that area even doing business with those guys if you keep them in check.
And to Bango's point, if you find a girl that you like, take her out to one of the islands one morning... some of those beaches are great!
[QUOTE=Mr Varna]I want to go to Colombia, stay at a nice beach and meet some nice looking girls, dont care if they like me for money or not (I will pay). But where should i go? were is the nicest beach with the least crime? It would save me from having to go around myself to find out. I can afford to hire an armed body guard, but would that just draw more attention to me and end up kicking myself in the back after or would it be smart?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Santa Marta has some pretty nice beaches in the area with calm and pretty clear water. Also if as you who seem to have deep pockets then go to Flamingos. expensive, but some very hot chica's to be had.
I was in MDE in September and talked to Tom33. I assure you he is fine. He'll be back. I ended up living with some mutual chica friends, and that was an interesting experience, to say the least.
[QUOTE=Flying Frenchman]Does anyone know what has happened to member Tom 33?. He has posted alot of quality information, but has not posted now in a long time.
I hope he is alright.[/QUOTE]
Where would be a good place to stay for a first time visitor who has been to MDE and speak SOME spanish?
Very nice hostal to stay in the center of the action 2 blocks from parke lleras you got all the bars clubs I have stayed here everytime I visit Medellin you deal with with the owner brian cool guy.
[QUOTE=David Smash]Where would be a good place to stay for a first time visitor who has been to MDE and speak SOME spanish?[/QUOTE]
man this sucks.
[quote]colombia dollar sales in market finished for year, zuluaga says
by alexander cuadros and andrea jaramillo
oct. 16 (bloomberg) -- colombia’s government will refrain from selling dollars in the market for the rest of the year and the central bank may take steps to stem the peso’s rally, finance minister oscar ivan zuluaga said.
the government will leave about $500 million in dividends from state oil company ecopetrol sa abroad and sell an equal amount of peso bonds locally to compensate for the deferred revenue, zuluaga told reporters in bogota yesterday after meeting with president alvaro uribe and central bank board members to discuss the peso.
the colombian currency has risen 28 percent against the u.s. dollar in the past six months, the second-most among 171 currencies tracked by bloomberg after the seychelles rupee. the peso rally “is fundamentally due to expectations of government sale of dollars this year,” zuluaga said.
uribe earlier this week urged the central bank to find a “solution” to the gains in the peso, which he said has caused exporters to cut jobs as they get less local currency for goods sold abroad such as flowers and coffee.
zuluaga, who is also president of the central bank’s board, said banco de la republica may take measures to ease the peso’s rally when policy makers next meet on oct. 23.
strong foreign direct investment flows have caused the peso to rally, according to alberto bernal, head of emerging markets research at bulltick securities corp. in miami.
mining investments
foreign direct investment in the mining industry more than doubled in the first half of the year to $1.72 billion from $817 million in the same period a year ago, the central bank said last month. foreign investment fell 10 percent in the first six months of the year to $4.9 billion from $5.4 billion a year earlier, the report said.
“colombia is a victim of its own success,” said bernal. “uribe’s policies are market friendly unlike that of some of his neighbors, making it attractive for foreign investment.”
measures the central bank may take to weaken the peso include buying dollars in the foreign-exchange market, lowering reserve requirements and buying back peso bonds, known as tes, nick chamie, head of emerging markets research at rbc capital markets, wrote in a note yesterday.
when asked about capital controls, zuluaga said that dollars coming into colombia are long-term flows associated with foreign direct investment and not short-term portfolio investments.
reduced incentives
in a bid to stem a rally in the peso in 2007, the central bank ordered companies and investors taking loans abroad to deposit 40 percent of the funds in the central bank for six months to reduce the incentive to bring in short-term capital. the finance ministry in 2007 imposed deposit requirements on new portfolio investment in the country, such as the purchase of bonds and stocks. the capital controls were abolished last year.
the central bank may also lower interest rates a half percentage point to 3.5 percent in its next meeting, according to bernal. policy makers last cut the benchmark overnight lending rate a half-percentage point to 4 percent on sept. 25, a move aimed in part at stemming the peso’s advance.
“inflation is low and given slow growth, there is room for more cuts,” said bernal. “that would help calm expectations of a further strengthening of the peso.”[/quote]
I was curious to know how quickly things get back to "mongering" normal in Colombia after the holidays? Some places are just a no go during the holidays.
I am looking into going somewhere from the 5 of jan until the end of the month.
Cali came to mind again. Hopefully my back won't go out this time.
Thanks for the tips.
Artisttyp
Bog really doesn't get back on its feet again till February. The rest of the country is fine by Jan 10 or so. Many places are better during the holidays, Cali, Manizales, Popayan and Pasto all have celebrations that draw people during that time. Pasto's Carnival is from the 2-7 this year and the Feria De Manizales es from the 2-10. CTG is popping that time of year but also expensive.
I was curious to know if anyone has done MDE to Cali by bus and can somebody refer me to a bus company with executive class seating ? I would be happy to pay whatever it costs.
*A bathroom on board is a must have for me.
Are there any towns along the way worth a stay over as far as mongering or photography is concerned ?
Also can anyone tell me if there is a "centro" in cali like in medellin ? I am asking this in hopes of locating economic hotels. In medellin's centro you can walk around and find several of these hotels.
* Does somebody not recommend staying in economic hotels in cali due to extreme heat and the need for a good AC ? What are you thoughts ?
Thank you for your time.
Artisttyp
But I have never seen "first class" bus sevices. I think it is teminal Sur, and all the buses are the same. Quite comfortable with a small bathroom for all to use but at times it was locked.
The seats are comfortable and they do show a DVD (so if you want to hand one over they and ask them to play it for you.
There are afew compaies Boliviana comes to mind. I am not sure which I rode to Cali but I have used to others for Buga and surrounding areas.
I usually take the last bus out about 10:30 so I can arrive and enjoy the day but this has backfired at times when the bus was stuck in some mountain due to a mudslide or something.
Sit back enjoy!
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I was curious to know if anyone has done MDE to Cali by bus and can somebody refer me to a bus company with executive class seating ? I would be happy to pay whatever it costs.
*A bathroom on board is a must have for me.
Are there any towns along the way worth a stay over as far as mongering or photography is concerned ?
Thank you for your time.
Artisttyp[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Are there any towns along the way worth a stay over as far as mongering or photography is concerned ?[/QUOTE]I have done the whole thing by bus, but in segments, i.e. Cali->Armenia, Manizales->Medellin.
Smack dab in the middle of Medellin and Cali is the Eje Cafetera with the three departments of Risalrada (Pereira), Qundio (Armenia), and Caldas (Manizales). Definitely highly worth spending some time in.
This is one of the most beautiful areas in the world with gorgeous and stunning green mountains and rolling coffee fields. Incredible weather. Manizales is a very photogenic city, very quaint, hilly little streets, colorful buildings, just gorgeous, VERY FRIENDLY PEOPLE. Great place to take photos. It is a very cool city.
Highly recommend you check out the National Coffee Park (near Armenia) - very beautiful place and a great place to take photos. One of the top tourist attractions in the country. Pereira is perhaps the least interesting of the three cities, although you have plenty of cool stuff nearby (such as bungee jumping of the very cool bridge in town, or skydiving over coffee fields, Santa Rosa de Cabal - hot springs). Tons of cool little traditional towns ('pueblos paisas') which attract tourists on weekends.
For mongering, Pereira is amazing (and has some of the sexiest women in Colombia - this is where Sin Tetas No Hay Paraiso comes from), also Manizales is great. Armenia not so much at least IMHO (but has very beautiful women!!).
IMHO, this is whole area is more interesting and much more beautiful than Cali or Medellin.
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Blourghus,
This is an excellent response. Thank you so much.
Can you tell me if atm's are readily available in each of those towns?
I'd like to see Cali before I decide where to go next. I was thinking of hitting a few towns on the way back to Medellin.
I assume 1 or 2 days in each town is sufficient?
Thanks Again,
Artisttyp
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Blourghus,
This is an excellent response. Thank you so much.
Can you tell me if atm's are readily available in each of those towns?
I'd like to see Cali before I decide where to go next. I was thinking of hitting a few towns on the way back to Medellin.
I assume 1 or 2 days in each town is sufficient?
Thanks Again,
Artisttyp[/QUOTE]ATM's are readily available in all of these towns,I probably don't have to tell you this but as a fellow monger it is my duty,watch your back while using ATM's and don't use them at night.
I am planning on being in Manizales from December until March with the exception of a week or two back in the states so if you decide to go through there hit me up.
I thought i'd share this 11/10/09 travel warning from US Dept. of state:
[url]http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_941.html[/url]
Still plenty of oppurtunity for a good time. just have to stay alert at ALL times. stakes are too high for complacency.
[QUOTE=Manizales911]ATM's are readily available in all of these towns,I probably don't have to tell you this but as a fellow monger it is my duty,watch your back while using ATM's and don't use them at night.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Blourghus]IMHO, this is whole area is more interesting and much more beautiful than Cali or Medellin.[/QUOTE]Hi,
You are confirming what I have always thought. I know Colombia is a wonderful country and the best land is Cafetera Area. But never I have gone there because I have always read very few news about it. Now I am again more demoralized because I am reading these wonderful lines without any indication about fucking.
[QUOTE=Blourghus]IMHO, this is whole area is more interesting and much more beautiful than Cali or Medellin.[/QUOTE]Hi,
You are confirming what I have always thought. I know Colombia is a wonderful country and the best land is Cafetera Area. But never I have gone there because I have always read very few news about it. Now I am again more demoralized because I am reading these wonderful lines without any indication about fucking.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I was curious to know if anyone has done MDE to Cali by bus and can somebody refer me to a bus company with executive class seating ? I would be happy to pay whatever it costs.
*A bathroom on board is a must have for me.
Are there any towns along the way worth a stay over as far as mongering or photography is concerned ?
Also can anyone tell me if there is a "centro" in cali like in medellin ? I am asking this in hopes of locating economic hotels. In medellin's centro you can walk around and find several of these hotels.
* Does somebody not recommend staying in economic hotels in cali due to extreme heat and the need for a good AC ? What are you thoughts ?
Thank you for your time.
Artisttyp[/QUOTE]I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade as there has been a lot of good info put out here but just let me put this out there for the record.
Allthough most of the country side has been pacified and the road system is secure and I know Robert & Aussie Greg and thousands of others travel these roads routinely parts of the Department of El Valle are still hot. In particular. And I know you're not interested in this leg. The corredor from Cali to Buenaventura would be extremely foolish to travel overland, IMO.
News reports come out from time to time of skimishes between the Army & the FARC from various parts of El Valle, including the northern part.
I've done the tour of the Eje Cafetero. Armenia, Pereira, Manizales and can attest that this IS secure but they are only about 60 70 kms apart so the stretches are much shorter.
I also think although I've never done it, that the roads between Medellin and el Eje Cafetero are secure. I'ts when you start venturing into El Valle that I would get extra cautious.
Just my two cents and for the record.
Schwmm
[QUOTE=Schwmmr]I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade as there has been a lot of good info put out here but just let me put this out there for the record.
Allthough most of the country side has been pacified and the road system is secure and I know Robert & Aussie Greg and thousands of others travel these roads routinely parts of the Department of El Valle are still hot. In particular. And I know you're not interested in this leg. The corredor from Cali to Buenaventura would be extremely foolish to travel overland, IMO.
News reports come out from time to time of skimishes between the Army & the FARC from various parts of El Valle, including the northern part.
I've done the tour of the Eje Cafetero. Armenia, Pereira, Manizales and can attest that this IS secure but they are only about 60 70 kms apart so the stretches are much shorter.
I also think although I've never done it, that the roads between Medellin and el Eje Cafetero are secure. I'ts when you start venturing into El Valle that I would get extra cautious.
Just my two cents and for the record.
Schwmm[/QUOTE]I rented a car at the airport in Medellin and drove to Manizales, Periera, Armenia, and many smaller cities, pueblitos, and termales all last week. Verdict: SAFE. and my spanish isn't that great. Doing it again, I'd definitely get the GPS though. for 11.000 pesos per day with Localiza. The countryside south from Pintada to Pereira is some of the most beautiful I've ever seen (been to 60 countries) equal to world's finest. HIghly recommended, just need patience with the slow trucks on the mountains, hills and curves. And it is a toll road. Also drove around Cali last summer, main roads only and within about an hour of the city. Plan to go from Cali to Pasto next time,
[QUOTE=FoxesHunter]Hi,
You are confirming what I have always thought. I know Colombia is a wonderful country and the best land is Cafetera Area. But never I have gone there because I have always read very few news about it. Now I am again more demoralized because I am reading these wonderful lines without any indication about fucking.[/QUOTE]I think everybody has contributed something of value. As far as "fucking" is concerned my guess is periera would be the best bet. Why? From what I've read it seems to be more of a city than armenia and manizales. Meaning that it attracts more of a business crowd. The other areas thread seems to agree with this. One post that stuck out to me was a member mentioning something like "go to the centro and you will see them all over". IMHO this is a good sign. The other towns seem to need a cab driver or someone to direct you to the right places.
Also worth mentioning is periera is very close to both armenia and manizales which makes it a good base for day trips to those towns. If I like what I see somewhere else I might stay there. These days I never limit myself to little "quaint" towns. I usually only last a few hours.
This is all speculatiing. If I am wrong or if anyone else can add something feel free.
Just going 30 minutes out of Medellin was a huge change. Usually the MDE trips I take are hardcore monger trips. I'd like to get a little more out of it this next trip. What to do in the country side when there are cities full of cheap women. Catch 22!
[QUOTE=Zingadoon]I rented a car at the airport in Medellin and drove to Manizales, Periera, Armenia, and many smaller cities, pueblitos, and termales all last week. Verdict: SAFE. and my spanish isn't that great. Doing it again, I'd definitely get the GPS though. for 11.000 pesos per day with Localiza. The countryside south from Pintada to Pereira is some of the most beautiful I've ever seen (been to 60 countries) equal to world's finest. HIghly recommended, just need patience with the slow trucks on the mountains, hills and curves. And it is a toll road. Also drove around Cali last summer, main roads only and within about an hour of the city. Plan to go from Cali to Pasto next time,[/QUOTE]Very good to hear.
Regarding driving from Cali to Pasto: For me, no way. The departments of Cauca, Narino y Putumayo are constantly in the news as hot spots.
You'll probably make and I'm sure you'll have a great time but, IMO, why risk it?
Despite the great strides made in the Uribe era, some areas of Colombia are still "fly in. Fly out only" zones IMO.
All the best, Schwmm
[QUOTE=Schwmmr]Despite the great strides made in the Uribe era, some areas of Colombia are still "fly in. Fly out only" zones IMO.
All the best, Schwmm[/QUOTE]Yep. "A country of islands accessible only by plane", as a friend once described it to me.
I'd rather my passport wasn't stamped with CTG airport entry and exit stamps.... you know for, ahem, personal reasons.
Is this possible?
I'm planning 2 weeks trip to Colombia: 1-2 days in Bogota only if necessary and the rest split between Cartagena and Medellin. How do I optimize where to fly into from YYZ (MDE, BOG or CTG) and the order of the cities? Which local flight to take? Should I buy local flights in Colombia or before the trip?
Please add your suggestions.
[QUOTE=Questner]I'm planning 2 weeks trip to Colombia: 1-2 days in Bogota only if necessary and the rest split between Cartagena and Medellin. How do I optimize where to fly into from YYZ (MDE, BOG or CTG) and the order of the cities? Which local flight to take? Should I buy local flights in Colombia or before the trip?
Please add your suggestions.[/QUOTE]BOG is great to use as a hub. You can reach every city in the country from there. Try Aires me and my buddies recently used them for a round trip MDE to CTG. They were very reasonably priced and had excellent service.
[QUOTE=Biffa]I'd rather my passport wasn't stamped with CTG airport entry and exit stamps.... you know for, ahem, personal reasons.
Is this possible?[/QUOTE]Enter through another port and fly internally.
The below article relates to a discussion a few posts back of overland security in some places of Colombia, particularly the southwest. It is pasted form the Latin America Herald Tribune. It was all over the Colombian news reports on Fri & Saturday.
I post it just to illustrate the type of attack that can happen in some parts of the country that, IMO, would be foolish or at least not worth the risk to travel overland. This is just one example. I't not an isolated incident.
[quote]Six Die as Colombian Rebels Set Bus on Fire
BOGOTA – Six people were killed Friday when leftist FARC rebels waylaid and burned a bus in the southwestern Colombian province of Nariño, a regional official told Efe.
“We know about four adults and two children who burned to death,” provincial government secretary Fabio Trujillo said, adding that the death toll could turn out to be higher.
The incident took place on the road linking Pasto, the provincial capital, and the Pacific port of Tumaco.
Citing witness accounts, Trujillo said the driver of the first bus to pass the spot where the rebels were laying in wait sped past despite the shots fired by the guerrillas.
When the driver of the next bus to come along did pull over, the rebels set the vehicle ablaze without first ensuring that all of the passengers were safely out, witnesses told authorities.
Trujillo said the attack was mounted by “guerrillas from the Mariscal Sucre column of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (known as the FARC) that operate in that region.”
Police and soldiers subsequently engaged the rebels who took part in Friday’s assault, Trujillo told Efe by telephone from Pasto.
Nariño, which borders Ecuador, is plagued by strife involving the FARC, Colombian security forces, right-wing militias and common criminals engaged in smuggling.
The FARC has battled a succession of Colombian governments since 1964. Once numbering as many as 20,000, the FARC is now thought to have around 9,000 combatants. EFE[/quote]
Check the Chicago times the city's has gone a 75% murder rate increase in the last 4 years drugs crimes we have it in USA so don't be a fool and get the facts straight we have as much in our cities komo to overtown in miami and see how long you last.
[QUOTE=Schwmmr]The below article relates to a discussion a few posts back of overland security in some places of Colombia, particularly the southwest. It is pasted form the Latin America Herald Tribune. It was all over the Colombian news reports on Fri & Saturday.
I post it just to illustrate the type of attack that can happen in some parts of the country that, IMO, would be foolish or at least not worth the risk to travel overland. This is just one example. I't not an isolated incident.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Daves Pison]Check the Chicago times the city's has gone a 75% murder rate increase in the last 4 years drugs crimes we have it in USA so don't be a fool and get the facts straight we have as much in our cities komo to overtown in miami and see how long you last.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't go through those places either. What's your point?
The facts are published in multiple press sources.
Let's no tend to believe the press man they're just relly on trash reports just to have negative vibe o control on the public
[QUOTE=Schwmmr]I wouldn't go through those places either. What's your point?
The facts are published in multiple press sources.[/QUOTE]
Thank you so much guys!
Have always been very impressed with the thoughtful and well described adventures on this board
Would you mind comparing Medellin Mansion vs. Cali Castle for me and others?
I've been to the mansion, but not to Cali, but was somewhat disappointed that no one in Medellin spoke any english, at all.
At the mansion, bc the girls spoke so little english, the conversations even among the mongers were mostly in Spanish...
Is Cali any better?
Thanks so much!
Where do you think you are.?
Come on put your feet on the ground you visited Colombia learn some spanish ohhh. And this is not thoughtful.
Mayority of gringos showing up in Medellin they think they're visiting an american city everyone is going to be with open arms speaking your native tongue wrong wrong by the way Cali is worse don't even come here to many walmart gringos hanging in the wrong spots or sicarios would be looking for the gringo that cannot speak a word in spanish to get some cash. People like you should stay away from Colombia you give us a bad rap. And also colombianas don't wanna talk to you they just see dollar signs on your forehead. If your honestly wanna monger in Colombia or any other south american country you should put an effort to lear the country's native tongue if you wanna get laid the real way learn the native tongue. Mongers like you just show up in Colombia and paid most of the girl higher prices you are killing us man get some common sense instead of complaining about nobody speaks english in Medellin you should learn the native tongue you're not in USA my brother different rules applied to inmigrants from the north in Colombia. Hopefully you take this as a learning advised
Love paisas to the end
[QUOTE=Chris Bigdog]Thank you so much guys!
Have always been very impressed with the thoughtful and well described adventures on this board
Would you mind comparing Medellin Mansion vs. Cali Castle for me and others?
I've been to the mansion, but not to Cali, but was somewhat disappointed that no one in Medellin spoke any english, at all.
At the mansion, bc the girls spoke so little english, the conversations even among the mongers were mostly in Spanish.
Is Cali any better?
Thanks so much![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chris Bigdog]Thank you so much guys!
Have always been very impressed with the thoughtful and well described adventures on this board
Would you mind comparing Medellin Mansion vs. Cali Castle for me and others?
I've been to the mansion, but not to Cali, but was somewhat disappointed that no one in Medellin spoke any english, at all.
At the mansion, bc the girls spoke so little english, the conversations even among the mongers were mostly in Spanish...
Is Cali any better?
Thanks so much![/QUOTE]Chris,
Colombia is not Costa Rica!
If you are going to travel here and have any real chance of connecting with the locals you are going to have to do your homework and put in the time and effort to learn Spanish. Once you do you will have much more fun on your trips anywhere in Latin America and be able to get around with much more independence.
Learning Spanish is a gift that you give to yourself and it is one that you will never regret. It is also a show of respect to the locals that you took the time and effort to learn some of their language.
If I had it my way every gringo whose Spanish was limited to ; hola, cerveza, bano and cuanto cuesta would be forbid entrance.
Either get to studying or resign yourself to trips to CR and Cozumel.
I have just never understood the guys who felt that they could travel to places like Colombia without having a basic grasp of the language.
And this is coming from a "good ole southern boy" who is still working on his English. LOL!
Not flaming you hermano but Colombia is Colombia !
[QUOTE=Daves Pison]Where do you think you are.?
Come on put your feet on the ground you visited Colombia learn some spanish ohhh. And this is not thoughtful.
Mayority of gringos showing up in Medellin they think they're visiting an american city everyone is going to be with open arms speaking your native tongue wrong wrong by the way Cali is worse don't even come here to many walmart gringos hanging in the wrong spots or sicarios would be looking for the gringo that cannot speak a word in spanish to get some cash. People like you should stay away from Colombia you give us a bad rap. And also colombianas don't wanna talk to you they just see dollar signs on your forehead. If your honestly wanna monger in Colombia or any other south american country you should put an effort to lear the country's native tongue if you wanna get laid the real way learn the native tongue. Mongers like you just show up in Colombia and paid most of the girl higher prices you are killing us man get some common sense instead of complaining about nobody speaks english in Medellin you should learn the native tongue you're not in USA my brother different rules applied to inmigrants from the north in Colombia. Hopefully you take this as a learning advised
Love paisas to the end[/QUOTE]The logic is a little contorted, but I get the point: gringos that don't speak Spanish pay more, and that is adversely affecting those who do speak Spanish. We still go by the rule of supply and demand, regardless of the language or country. Those who don't know the language pay more. More importantly, if you don't speak the language you can watch the party. If you speak the language, you can be in the party.
Medellin is beautiful in so many respects. Go there, and if you at least attempt to learn and speak a little Spanish you will be rewarded. In any event, only good energy!
Hello,
I am 23 from Australia. I am going to Medellin and bogata for the first time. Thanks to WT69 i have the list. I do not speak spanish. How badly is this going to affect my trip, and also i am looking for friendly english speaking drivers for both cities. If someone could shed a bit of light on this it would be appreciated.
[QUOTE=Davekphp]Hello,
I am 23 from Australia. I am going to Medellin and bogata for the first time. Thanks to WT69 I have the list. I do not speak spanish. How badly is this going to affect my trip, and also I am looking for friendly english speaking drivers for both cities. If someone could shed a bit of light on this it would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Because it is your first trip and can't compare it to another trip in which you COULD speak spanish it will appear to you that it didn't affect it much as you will still have a blast as long as you RTFF and follow the advise given. That said, knowing spanish will enhance your mongering game tenfold at least. I first went to Colombia without any spanish skills and when I got back I studied spanish pretty much every day since and still do as I am a slow learner when it comes to language. I am at probably intermediate level now and it makes a HUGE difference. I would strongly recommend that you hire a guide or stay at the Medellin Mansion or Parcero's place and the Bogota VIP Hotel for your first trip. Have fun.
[QUOTE=Davekphp]Hello,
I am 23 from Australia. I am going to Medellin and bogata for the first time. Thanks to WT69 I have the list. I do not speak spanish. How badly is this going to affect my trip, and also I am looking for friendly english speaking drivers for both cities. If someone could shed a bit of light on this it would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Dude, you will be fine, But you will miss the best of all. Speaking the language opens a wide door into the local party action and interactive relation. You will be able to go to the "prives" they will try to communicate to make business some of then are Bilingual check on the LIST, you can go aesy to restaurants also speak to the bar tenders at the clubs, and probably pick a girl up who speaks English, there are some just like anywhere else but most of them don't want to learn it or they consider it a very hard language to learn. Since Medellin is not a very tourist spot until lately, People still rooted to their provincial life, They have a beautiful language, plenty of good music, literature etc in their own language, So this will take time for them to feel they need bad to learn English, girls kind of force the gringos to learn their language if they want a piece of that nooky.
I can't recommend any English speaker driver because all I know can say a word, but the list is full of them.
So good luck and if you have time to learn something start practicing.
To Dave,
Please, please take a Spanish class before you come to Colombia. There is very little English spoken in Medellin and Bogota.
If you stayed in Poblado in Medellin or the Zona Rosa in Bogota you could probably get by. But if you go beyond those areas, there's no mucho Ingles hablado.
Check the drivers list on WT69 for Ingles speakers.
Out
If you haven't already, subscribe, (it's only 20 bucks). You can get a good feel of what's out there by viewing the pics. Also, I've gotten & given great info thru pm'ing when discretion is in order for all concerned.
And/or
Rtff for English speaking drivers that have been recommended by members with more than a 1 or 2 posts to avoid self-promoters disguised as mongers.
And/or
Just book a room at the mansion.
They have everything you need there. I stayed there on my 1st trip. Greg is a good guy. Not once, but twice, I was short on c. O. P. (like a dumbass) late at night & greg loaned me some pesos til the next day when I can convert USA d. To c. O. P.
I think he sets the tone at the mansion: everybody from the staff to other mongers staying there are friendly & willing to help.
Hope this helps.
[QUOTE=Davekphp]Hello,
I am 23 from Australia. I am going to Medellin and bogata for the first time. Thanks to WT69 i have the list. I do not speak spanish. How badly is this going to affect my trip, and also i am looking for friendly english speaking drivers for both cities. If someone could shed a bit of light on this it would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
Will be in Medellin starting tomorrow for the next couple of weeks. I usually hang out at Cafe Le Bon in Poblado, and will be spending mornings in a spanish immersion course, for the first week anyway. Anybody around, please say Hi, I am usually reading Portifolio, with a dictionary, to improve my rather shaky hold on espanol.
No Spanish muy grande problema. Stay at the mansion they'll take care of you. Read the forum there are listings of english speaking drivers, not many though, Get a phrase book and study a bit, you will have fun.
Have just watched a doco on "Scopolamine" ([url]http://www.vbs.tv/watch/vbs-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-1-of-2[/url]). Apparently it is used by hookers in Colombia to drug their clients. It is derived from a plant and puts the victim in a chemicially induced hypnotic state, and leaves them open to suggestion. The willing victim then hands over all their shit and in the morning has no recollection of it happening. Sound pretty fucked up, has anyone else heard of it or fell victim to it(is this common)?. Also was very intersting doco worth checking it out.
[QUOTE=Schwmmr]I wouldn't go through those places either. What's your point?
The facts are published in multiple press sources.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately there's little point in trying to convince some people of the reality of Colombia. Or evolution.
For some all of Colombia is excessivly dangerous. For others there's no part that too dangerous.
Just let them live, and die, in ignorance.
[QUOTE=Davekphp]Hello,
I am 23 from Australia. I am going to Medellin and Bogata for the first time. Thanks to WT69 I have the list. I do not speak spanish. How badly is this going to affect my trip, and also I am looking for friendly english speaking drivers for both cities. If someone could shed a bit of light on this it would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Can't speak to Medellin but you can get by in Bogotá without Spanish, but there's no doubt you will be handicapped a bit, but not enough that you'll realise it.
Seek out the wonderful Tatiana who, besides delivering the best blowjob in Bogota, understands/speaks just enough English to make you feel comfortable. PM me for her cell. (She still refuses to pay me commission would you believe?!)
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]Unfortunately there's little point in trying to convince some people of the reality of Colombia. Or evolution.
For some all of Colombia is excessivly dangerous. For others there's no part that too dangerous.
Just let them live, and die, in ignorance.[/QUOTE]Very well said.
[QUOTE=Davekphp]Have just watched a doco on "Scopolamine" ([url]http://www.vbs.tv/watch/vbs-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-1-of-2[/url]). Apparently it is used by hookers in Colombia to drug their clients. It is derived from a plant and puts the victim in a chemicially induced hypnotic state, and leaves them open to suggestion. The willing victim then hands over all their shit and in the morning has no recollection of it happening. Sound pretty fucked up, has anyone else heard of it or fell victim to it(is this common)?. Also was very intersting doco worth checking it out.[/QUOTE]The use of "Scope" in Colombia is well documented here and in other travel forums. Any monger coming here that isn't aware of its use and how to try to avoid being a victim of its use doesn't belong here.
[QUOTE=Manizales911]The use of "Scope" in Colombia is well documented here and in other travel forums..[/QUOTE]Actually, I would say the opposite. I have been planning my trip to SA for the last 4 months and have spent sometimes 8 hours a day on ISG browsing through posts and not once have I seen any information on "scope". Also I dare say that there are other veteran members in ISG, that it is new to them too.
[QUOTE=Manizales911]. Any monger coming here that isn't aware of its use and how to try being a victim of its use doesn't belong here.[/QUOTE] If your opinion is based on that fact that someone aware of its use may be able to prevent being drugged, well according to this doco you are wrong. We all know not to leave your drink unattended(common sence), but this stuff can get you fucked up from being inhaled from a distance, let alone having a tiny pinch blown in your face(which is reported to have happened). My point being If this doco is accurate, is that there are virtually no preventable measures that are besides common sence, that will make you not fall victim. That is one of the reasons that it is such a dangerous drug. If you are in a club and you are being targeted, I would say yu wouldn't stand a chance educated about it or not.
Yes well said. That Burundanga sht (like locals know that plant from LONG time ago) is a very dangerous drug. In another countries they just put a knife or a gun in you ribs and you may die easier.
Nobody is 100% save in this world. And if somebody is not aware that ALWAYS are risks flying away from their civilized town, then just stay at home watching TV and ordering pizza. Or Get in a cruise where they treat you like cattle or go to Paris and New York, spend a fortune in over pricing restaurants, take pictures of buildings and live long enough to be a bored sorry ass, for not being man enough to see the world.
Is just my personal opinion, nothing wrong on being happy the way you prefer, I just can't stand being in the tourist sack for more than an hour and I feel like that artificial and boring crap is not for me. I take risks I get deep in the sht sometimes, but boy I have tons of fun, even remembering my very bad experiences, no regrets so far.
I won't lie, Colombia is a very dangerous country, Mexico too, Venezuela and Brasil HELL YEAH, so you want to have fun you have to be ready to eventually have a real bad day, or just don't come and go visit your mama and daddy and play tourist, that way you can even buy Afghanistan and stuff.
En buena onda.
DeAldo
[QUOTE=Davekphp]Actually, I would say the opposite. I have been planning my trip to SA for the last 4 months and have spent sometimes 8 hours a day on ISG browsing through posts and not once have I seen any information on "scope". Also I dare say that there are other veteran members in ISG, that it is new to them too.
If your opinion is based on that fact that someone aware of its use may be able to prevent being drugged, well according to this doco you are wrong. We all know not to leave your drink unattended(common sence), but this stuff can get you fucked up from being inhaled from a distance, let alone having a tiny pinch blown in your face(which is reported to have happened). My point being If this doco is accurate, is that there are virtually no preventable measures that are besides common sence, that will make you not fall victim. That is one of the reasons that it is such a dangerous drug. If you are in a club and you are being targeted, I would say yu wouldn't stand a chance educated about it or not.[/QUOTE]Dave,
You could be correct that "scope" use isn't talked about on this site,I read and contribute to several forums and it is possible that what I have read about this drug has all come from elsewhere,I'm not sure. One site that I ASSURE you it has been discussed about ad nauseum is the travel site Poorbuthappy.
I never said knowing about "scope" could prevent you from getting drugged but knowing about it would help you TRY,key word Dave is TRY. I can tell you that I have been to Colombia enough times in the last three and a half years to fill my passport and then some and can't count how many times I have seen guys leave their drink unattended. It is more common for a guy to go to the pisser without his drink than with it,that is a fucking fact,just because something is common sense doesn't mean people do it. There are many things that I could say here to help you reduce your chances of getting drugged but it appears as though you are convinced that there isn't anything you can do about it,good luck.
I've seen a documentry about it but I have a hard time believing it. Why? I've tried quite a number of potent drugs in my life and I've always had some sense of reality. Even tripping on LSD I was still aware of what the drug was doing to me.
Someone blows a powder in your face and you willingly take them to an atm and do whatever they tell you ? Something seems off.
What I can imagine having the same affect though is giving someone great cocaine earning their trust then robbing them. Coke I believe could have a powerful control over someone. Especially if someone else is controlling their consumption.
Could burundanga be a coke derivative like "perico" which is an altered supposedly more potent form of cocaine sold in Colombia?
By the way I don't do those drugs anymore. It's been a long time!
I don't mean to sound inflammatory but can't you see how this could be hard to believe?
* I do believe in the drugging of victims with other drugs slipped into drinks.
It reminds me of the mexico city story with "knock out " drugs on SW's nipples. If the drug was already on the hooker's nipple SHE would have ingested it by means of skin penetration..true or false ?
La Pepa found in peru is something common but that is also slipped into a drink.
Can any VICTIMS comment on this ?
Here's 2 videos for your answers, a great documentary, check it out.
[url]http://www.vbs.tv/watch/vbs-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-1-of-2[/url]
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I've seen a documentry about it but I have a hard time believing it. Why? I've tried quite a number of potent drugs in my life and I've always had some sense of reality. Even tripping on LSD I was still aware of what the drug was doing to me.
Someone blows a powder in your face and you willingly take them to an atm and do whatever they tell you ? Something seems off.
What I can imagine having the same affect though is giving someone great cocaine earning their trust then robbing them. Coke I believe could have a powerful control over someone. Especially if someone else is controlling their consumption.
Could burundanga be a coke derivative like "perico" which is an altered supposedly more potent form of cocaine sold in Colombia?
By the way I don't do those drugs anymore. It's been a long time!
I don't mean to sound inflammatory but can't you see how this could be hard to believe?
* I do believe in the drugging of victims with other drugs slipped into drinks.
It reminds me of the mexico city story with "knock out " drugs on SW's nipples. If the drug was already on the hooker's nipple SHE would have ingested it by means of skin penetration..true or false ?
La Pepa found in peru is something common but that is also slipped into a drink.
Can any VICTIMS comment on this ?[/QUOTE]
I haven't been hit myself but I personally know four people who HAVE been, in the past year alone. I assure you it's very real and not a bit exaggerated.
The burundanga/scopolamine issue is a legit concern, but I suspect there's some hype and urban legend attached to all the mystery surrounding it.
The plant is grown near Bogota, so it's quite common in that area. That's why someone like Bango knows 4 people who were scammed with it, as I believe he lives in that city now.
I don't think it's as much a concern in MDE, CTG, or even Cali. As a tourist or monger, I'd be more worried in those cities about a run of the mill stick-up type robbery or paseo millonario. In those cities, just watch your drink as always. We all know that already anyway, when going out; not just in Colombia, and not just when we're mongering. Even in the states, people's drinks get "spiked. "
However, you should be extra careful with everything you drink and eat on your evenings out in Bogota. Never let it leave your sight, and be suspicious of what's offered to you from other people; yes, even trusted companions, as it's possible for them to unwittingly pass something on to you that's not safe. One guy from the pbh site got scoped from drinking some soup that was a freebie offered to everyone leaving a certain club at closing time. Guess who's soup had the special treat inside?
By the way, this advice applies in both the shadier venues downtown as well as the uptown clubs in the zona rosa despite the higher-class people in those venues.
The "blow-in-your-face" or "scope-on-tits" scams sound like urban legends to me, but I'm not completely sure.
Let's think this through together:
First of all, a hooker putting scope on her tits is obviously putting herself in danger FIRST, unless the effect is NOT transmitted easily through the skin, (unlike a more direct route through the tongue or mouth like when you're sucking on something, or eating, or drinking). So if the scope is not easily transmitted through the skin, then touching the powder that's left on a piece of paper or flyer, another common burundanga tale out there, would be urban legend.
Maybe scope-on-tits is feasible. As a precaution, shower with the girl right before the session, which is what I almost always do anyway wherever I travel (not just in Colombia). I much prefer a freshly showered girl for all the obvious sanitary reasons although I know it doesn't exactly equate into safer sex.
You can also just pour some of your favorite heavy booze on her boobs. The alcohol should wipe off any potential harmful substance and add some nice flavor to them.. Just make sure the booze is not hers, or was out of your sight at any time.
Speaking of booze, the most dangerous substance to a monger remains plain old alcohol. I know some guys simply can not monger sober, maybe it's a lingering guilt thing, or they just can't associate partying with being sober, but if you can avoid drinking excessively, that should reduce the chance of bad stuff happening by at least 80%.
As for the "blow-scope-in-your-face" attack, I can't think of a sure way to avoid such a thing so I can only hope it's just an urban legend. There's no sense in worrying over something like that, you'll just go crazy. Might as well then just stay home and jerk off.
However, just in case it is true, the following occurs to me. You should try doing one or all of the following:
1) duck your head and/or your entire body away from the powder
2) cover your mouth/nose
3) don't inhale deeply, try to exhale instead
4) run away! Call for help, but watch out for any possible accomplice nearby; these burundanga scams are usually done by groups, either professional or semi-pro criminals
Finally, if skin contact is a form of transmission, then the "scope-powder-on-paper-or-flyer" attack is another possibility to worry about. This one is even tougher to avoid. I guess you can just never touch anything a stranger tries to hand to you directly. Or wear gloves although Bogota is usually not that cold!. I know when I'm in BOG, I sometimes hold a flyer I receive by the corner edge or I even shake it a few times in a direction away from me just in case there's anything on it. But I must look pretty paranoid when I do that, LOL!
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I've seen a documentry about it but I have a hard time believing it. Why? I've tried quite a number of potent drugs in my life and I've always had some sense of reality. Even tripping on LSD I was still aware of what the drug was doing to me.[/QUOTE]not that I proud of it, I have been pretty drug fucked myself. One night I foolishly took a shit load of xanax. This drug effects your memory to the point that you can't remember that you just dropped one 30 minutes before. So I had another one etc etc. Apparently I left my mates house at 1am, next thing I remember is waking up in a service station 6am(I only know this because of the police report), 100km from my mates, 1 thong on my foot, a meatcleaver hanging out my pants with a security guard on top of me and a shit load of cops TRUE STORY. No shit even to this day I have absolutely no idea where the 5hrs went, where the meat cleaver came from, how I travelled 50km and where I lost one of my thongs. I don't even know why I was even in the service station. So take it from me it is definatley plausable some drugs are HARDCORE
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]
Someone blows a powder in your face and you willingly take them to an atm and do whatever they tell you? Something seems off.[/QUOTE]Looking back at my form with the incident in the servo. Definately plusable
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]
What I can imagine having the same affect though is giving someone great cocaine earning their trust then robbing them. Coke I believe could have a powerful control over someone. Especially if someone else is controlling their consumption.
Could burundanga be a coke derivative like "perico" which is an altered supposedly more potent form of cocaine sold in Colombia?[/QUOTE]If it coke you will remember it.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp] I don't mean to sound inflammatory but can't you see how this could be hard to believe?[/QUOTE] No. I travelled 50km, lost 5 hrs, accumilated a meat cleaver, lost a thong and then ended up in a service station on the floor with a security gaurd on top of me. Enough said
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Can any VICTIMS comment on this?[/QUOTE]I haven't been a victim but looking back at that fucked up night at the service station, this is definately plausable. DEFINATELY
[QUOTE=Manizales911]. It is more common for a guy to go to the pisser without his drink than with it, that is a fucking fact, just because something is common sense doesn't mean people do it.[/QUOTE] Maybe my common sence reaches futher boundaries than these people you decribe that come to Colombia, or maybe they just have none all together. Another possability is they have no idea about drink-spiking. Maybe these are the people you say "don't belong here" because I know for certain how to not get drugged by GBH or Rhohypnol and end up chopped up in a dumpster. Gaurd your drink. A foolproof measure like this (if the doco is entirely correct) to prevent falling a victim of scope is impossible. Sure there are somethings that could help protect you, but these would be common sence for anyone with their head screwed on. But there is no way you entirely avoid the possibility of falling a victim. So. As stated by you "Any monger coming here that isn't aware of its use and how to try to avoid being a victim of its use doesn't belong here" is absolute rubbish. It should say "Any monger coming here that isn't aware of being drugged up, robbed, beaten and then thrown in a bin and how to try to avoid being a victim of this by using common sence doesn't belong here".
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I haven't been hit myself but I personally know four people who HAVE been, in the past year alone. I assure you it's very real and not a bit exaggerated.[/QUOTE]I went to [url]www.Nih. Gov[/url] and wikipedia to see what they had to say. Apparently scopolamine has several legit uses. Wiki mentions that shaman in Colombia have used it for a long time but it didn't say much more.
It can also be used to battle opiate/alcohol addiction and as a recreational drug like LSD.
Wiki is usually spot on and Nih. Gov is probably the most informative medical site online.
[url]http://www.vbs.tv/watch/vbs-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-1-of-2[/url]
[QUOTE=Questner][url]http://www.vbs.tv/watch/vbs-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-1-of-2[/url][/QUOTE]I saw these vids about a year or so ago. I have 2 complaints about these videos. First, the guy that procured for them the scopolamine was quite a character. He acted in such a way that it made me think he was just pulling the legs of these somewhat gullible gringos.
Second, why didn't they take the powder to a toxicology lab in Bogota, or even in the states to see what was exactly in it? An official lab report on that powder could have provided proof for their video clips that what they got was the real thing, as well as possibly help the authorities better understand what these criminals do in preparing the substance.
So I remain a bit suspicious of these videos although most of it was informative and interesting.
i noticed that this colombia forum is super slow. when i was to go to colombia i had to wait even 24 hrs or more to have an answer on my reports.
now i see reports get piled up for days and then suddenly they all hit at same time.
comparing with brasil, russia or argentina this is a very slow caterpillar.
there is anything the administrator can do to speed up the posting?
is very annoying to wait one day or more for an answer or to get the reports to the public.
being in medellin i never invited people to hung out because i knew my invitation wouldn't get on time to the public. i couldn't say: "hey guys today we going to meet at san diego club at 11:00 pm or so" nobody would see this but to the next day.
most forums around the world are instant posting. what happen to the colombia board?
thanks a lot for the attention and future answer.
dealdo
[quote=dealdo]i noticed that this colombia forum is super slow. when i was to go to colombia i had to wait even 24 hrs or more to have an answer on my reports.
now i see reports get piled up for days and then suddenly they all hit at same time.
comparing with brasil, russia or argentina this is a very slow caterpillar.
there is anything the administrator can do to speed up the posting?
is very annoying to wait one day or more for an answer or to get the reports to the public.
being in medellin i never invited people to hung out because i knew my invitation wouldn't get on time to the public. i couldn't say: "hey guys today we going to meet at san diego club at 11:00 pm or so" nobody would see this but to the next day.
most forums around the world are instant posting. what happen to the colombia board?
thanks a lot for the attention and future answer.
dealdo[/quote]dealdo,
look at the top of the page and you will see that the colombian forum is on full moderation so that means the mod's have to read every post before it is posted and i am sure jackson isn't paying someone 24/7 to do it. i too get frustrated sometimes about this and when traveling it can be an issue. if you pm someone though they should get it right away.
jackson, if you're out there please post a comment to clarify this please.
[blue]hi dealdo,
first, please recognize the the purpose of monitoring reports it not to aggravate you but to keep the forum free of spam. it is specifically because i put in the work to monitor posts that the forum is relatively spam free. i don't like all the work, but i know from experience that there's no other option.
second, if i lowered the senior member requirements to 6 months [u]or[/u] 25 reports as some have suggested, i would have spammers specifically posting 25 posts within a few days to get the senior member status, and then start spamming the forum. that's what did happen all the time a couple of years ago when i once had the either/or criteria.
third, the isg forum is a compendium of travel reports, not a chat room. i care about the reports, not the chit-chat. therefor, i don't think it's really that big of a deal if, for example, a travel report to rio de janerio is visible at 6pm or not until a few hours later.
fourth, i disagree with your contention that you "need to wait 'ages'". i moderate and approve all new reports at least twice per day, and sometimes several times a day. the average delay is less than 6 hours. i know because i watch the statistics every day. the only time the delay is more than 12 hours is on those few days when i have some issue that prevents me from getting to a computer, such as a day when i may be flying between continents. even then, i usually find an internet cafe at the airports so i can approve the pending reports before i get on my flight and again when i land.
[b]personally, i think you should be commending me for doing such a great job of managing the forum, [u]instead of bitching that i don't do it fast enough[/u].[/b]
thanks,
jackson
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[quote=dealdo]i noticed that this colombia forum is super slow. when i was to go to colombia i had to wait even 24 hrs or more to have an answer on my reports.
now i see reports get piled up for days and then suddenly they all hit at same time.
comparing with brasil, russia or argentina this is a very slow caterpillar.
there is anything the administrator can do to speed up the posting?
is very annoying to wait one day or more for an answer or to get the reports to the public.
being in medellin i never invited people to hung out because i knew my invitation wouldn't get on time to the public. i couldn't say: "hey guys today we going to meet at san diego club at 11:00 pm or so" nobody would see this but to the next day.
most forums around the world are instant posting. what happen to the colombia board?
thanks a lot for the attention and future answer.
dealdo[/quote]
[QUOTE=Admin][blue]Hi Dealdo,
First, please recognize the the purpose of monitoring reports it not to aggravate you but to keep the forum free of SPAM. It is specifically because I put in the work to monitor posts that The Forum is relatively SPAM free. I don't like all the work, but I know from experience that there's no other option.
Second, if I lowered the Senior Member requirements to 6 months [u]OR[/u] 25 reports as some have suggested, I would have spammers specifically posting 25 posts within a few days to get the senior member status, and then start spamming the forum. That's what did happen ALL THE TIME a couple of years ago when I once had the either/or criteria.
Third, the ISG Forum is a compendium of travel reports, not a chat room. I care about the reports, not the chit-chat. Therefor, I don't think it's really that big of a deal if, for example, a travel report to Rio de Janerio is visible at 6pm or not until a few hours later.
Fourth, I disagree with your contention that you "need to wait 'ages'". I moderate and approve all new reports at least twice per day, and sometimes several times a day. The average delay is less than 6 hours. I know because I watch the statistics every day. The only time the delay is more than 12 hours is on those few days when I have some issue that prevents me from getting to a computer, such as a day when I may be flying between continents. Even then, I usually find an internet cafe at the airports so I can approve the pending reports before I get on my flight and again when I land.
[b]Personally, I think you should be commending me for doing such a great job of managing the forum, [u]instead of bitching that I don't do it fast enough[/u].[/b]
Thanks,
Jackson
========================================================[/blue][/QUOTE]Hahaha Jackson boddy. If I did not know you I would think you are mad, But you are right I should congratulate you for all that hard work you do and all the millions of people who get benefited with your forum.
Bro I didn't know you personally checked every single report! That is A LOT of work!
I thought you had a moderator for every country or every city. And is because I never had such a dilate on the posting from another forums of ISG. As I said, Brasil, Russia and Argentina run pretty smooth (just to put an example), This was my first trip to Medellin and I noticed the difference, Maybe because here we find a LOT of good for nothing spammers. Some of them pay for their advertising, most of them want to have a free banner. You know whom I mean. All those fricking pimps trying ripping us off. Why don't you just ban then out? I think that would be a good solution. LOL. I'm just thinking loud bro, I know you know what you do. I've seen you dealing with a hundred of "boludos" in Argentina and that really amazed me. I do not have that patient, and that's why I'm can't run a show like this big and complicated.
AHH but you know I always try to make your job easier and my reports are not that chit-chatty carp. I try to report useful data for the community.
But if mongers can get together thanks to this forum is also good for the forum itself, because there will be a LOT more reports. Human interaction is the foundation, what it really makes happen all this business, so travel reports are VITAL for the board as well. Just my point of view.
Ok Now I have to get ready for the rest of the night. =)
I hope I can see you soon again in Buenos Aires amigo. Abraxo grande!
DeAldo
I have searched this forum but have not found info regarding Human Growth Hormone. Can it be purchased in Colombia, especially Cartagena. And does anyone know the price. By the way I have a prescription from a USA doctor.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Aba Corrado]I have searched this forum but have not found info regarding Human Growth Hormone. Can it be purchased in Colombia, especially Cartagena. And does anyone know the price. By the way I have a prescription from a USA doctor.
Hgh
Human growth hormone is produced by the pituitary gland and in adolescents is responsible for increase in height and and other body changes. As we age the level of the hormone rapidly decreases after the age of 30. In adults it is responsible for cellular repair and growth. I won't go into length on the subject but there is plenty of information on the topic on anti-aging sites. As well check out a site by Ellis Toussier a guy thats been taking it for 15 years, hes the best looking 65 yr old guy I've ever seen.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Ok Corrado I move this reply to the right section, to not get off topic the Cartagena board.
Is very interesting what you said about it, unfortunately I can't tell you if any Colombian pharmacy sells them. Best try is asking any of your friends in the Country.
But you didn't' talk about the side effects.
It would be so Cool to stay like now! I wouldn't mind to stay like this the rest of the life LOL. Well is what I think now. When all my family gets old and I stay young may be kind of odd don't you think? But in a second thought, who cares LOL!
Well I wont pretend to be an expert on this substance but I have researched it extensively. In doses normally used for anti-aging purposes (1-2 i.u.) i have not read any harmful effects. There is concern that it can cause cancerous tumors to grow at an elevated rate. however this does not have a lot of support. Doses larger than 5 or 6 i.u can cause alameglia? (not sure of the spelling) which is enlargement of facial and hand bones. rReally there is A lot of information on the web. However I dont believe that this will cause aging to halt, merely to slow it down.
How ya going. Just went to the travel doctor to get my shots for my fuck holiday. Anyway the lady suggested "hostage insurance". Do you think this is worth it, and if so how much is it as i cant get an online quote.
Cheers,
Dave
Hostage insurance? Only if you are well known in politics, religuos organization that gets in the way with rebels like FARC or the mafia, or if you dress like you own top 100 forbes list which I wouldn't dress like nor where alot of jewelry. I would do some more research and blend in with the locals and learn some spanish so you don't stick out like a sore thumb or see if our many members who live there or go alot be your wingman. By the way, there is an impressive spanish school in Costa Rica which I highly recommend than getting hostage insurance.
Hostage insurance LOL no pun intended
Calizum
PS Colombia is a very mixed culture, about ten years the President of Colombia looked like that front guy for Kentucky Fried Chicken, white as can be with white hair and beard. LOL
[QUOTE=Davekphp]How ya going. Just went to the travel doctor to get my shots for my fuck holiday. Anyway the lady suggested "hostage insurance". Do you think this is worth it, and if so how much is it as I can't get an online quote.
Cheers,
Dave[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Davekphp]How ya going. Just went to the travel doctor to get my shots for my fuck holiday. Anyway the lady suggested "hostage insurance". Do you think this is worth it, and if so how much is it as i cant get an online quote.
Cheers,
Dave[/QUOTE]Overkill. Only needed by some expats working & living permanently in-country for some deep pocketed large company or with high personal net worth.
Kidnappings are targeted, rarely random.
Just don't travel overland through the known red zones
All the best, Schwmm
Mostly true. However, bone growth only happens after insane dosages like 20 I. U. Per day.
If you want anti-aging try test.
Or do what my 'friend' is doing and get on 2 I. U. Per day of hgh and 200mg/wk of test. My friend has a doctor script for the test. The hgh is cheap if you know where to look. And no I don't know where you can look, so do not pm me.
IMO none of the above will help if you don't work out and eat right.
[QUOTE=Aba Corrado]Well I wont pretend to be an expert on this substance but I have researched it extensively. In doses normally used for anti-aging purposes (1-2 i.u.) i have not read any harmful effects. There is concern that it can cause cancerous tumors to grow at an elevated rate. however this does not have a lot of support. Doses larger than 5 or 6 i.u can cause alameglia? (not sure of the spelling) which is enlargement of facial and hand bones. rReally there is A lot of information on the web. However I dont believe that this will cause aging to halt, merely to slow it down.[/QUOTE]
Ran across a book on Amazon kindle called "Men's guide to Colombia" - makes for good bedroom reading.
[QUOTE=Skirtchsnbadguy]Mostly true. However, bone growth only happens after insane dosages like 20 I. U. Per day.
If you want anti-aging try test.
Or do what my 'friend' is doing and get on 2 I. U. Per day of hgh and 200mg/wk of test. My friend has a doctor script for the test. The hgh is cheap if you know where to look. And no I don't know where you can look, so do not pm me.
IMO none of the above will help if you don't work out and eat right.[/QUOTE]That depends on your goals. If its for bodybuilding reasons then no. But for anti aging it will help.
Test will shutdown your natural test production by fucking with your HPTA system. This means you won't be able to get a boner naturally. So if your gona go this path be prepared to do it for life. Could also produce acne and hair loss.
Hgh can also fuck with your pituitary gland in the brain.
Hgh for its price is over rated. But sure if you have money to burn it will help shed fat and make your skin look better but like any drug comes with its risks and side affects.
These drugs are only worth it if your old and your natural systems are depleted. Otherwise your just damaging your bodies endocrine system
[QUOTE=Gary Groundwork]That depends on your goals. If its for bodybuilding reasons then no. But for anti aging it will help.
Test will shutdown your natural test production by fucking with your HPTA system. This means you won't be able to get a boner naturally. So if your gona go this path be prepared to do it for life. Could also produce acne and hair loss.
Hgh can also fuck with your pituitary gland in the brain.
Hgh for its price is over rated. But sure if you have money to burn it will help shed fat and make your skin look better but like any drug comes with its risks and side affects.
These drugs are only worth it if your old and your natural systems are depleted. Otherwise your just damaging your bodies endocrine system[/QUOTE]Awesome report Gary, you really sound like a well informed doctor.
THAT'S exactly what I wanted to know. I had that feeling about it.
Nop, that is not for me, Leading a healthy life and working out is the best I have found to feel good and make the girls happy. (Or at least think that I make them happy LOL).
Corrado says it helps him to be sexually powerful. But I won't take the risk,
I'm OK now. I just wanted to be young forever HAHAHA who doesn't right?
[QUOTE=Dealdo]Nop, that is not for me, Leading a healthy life and working out is the best I have found to feel good and make the girls happy. (Or at least think that I make them happy LOL).
Corrado says it helps him to be sexually powerful. But I won't take the risk,
I'm OK now. I just wanted to be young forever HAHAHA who doesn't right?[/QUOTE]Corrado feels great now and yes I bet he wants to bone everything in sight but what he is also doing at the same time (I don't know if he realises) is shutting down his bodies natural testosterone production. The longer he stays on the harder it will be to get it back. If he stays on too long he risks permanently shutting down his HPTA system.
When he stops taking the test he will have zero of the hormone in his body causing depression, weight loss, zero sex drive and no chance of getting it up. It could take months for it to kick back in again depending on how long he has been on for and his age. If you don't care about your bodies natural ability to produce this hormone then go for it.
As for HGH at $15 an I/u at 2 I/u's a day minimum hardly worth it IMO. Not to mention the fact you only see results after 6 months to a year.
Like I said though if you are old and have loads of money why not give it a shot?
[QUOTE=Gary Groundwork]Corrado feels great now and yes I bet he wants to bone everything in sight but what he is also doing at the same time (I don't know if he realises) is shutting down his bodies natural testosterone production. The longer he stays on the harder it will be to get it back. If he stays on too long he risks permanently shutting down his HPTA system.
When he stops taking the test he will have zero of the hormone in his body causing depression, weight loss, zero sex drive and no chance of getting it up. It could take months for it to kick back in again depending on how long he has been on for and his age. If you don't care about your bodies natural ability to produce this hormone then go for it.
As for HGH at $15 an I/u at 2 I/u's a day minimum hardly worth it IMO. Not to mention the fact you only see results after 6 months to a year.
Like I said though if you are old and have loads of money why not give it a shot?[/QUOTE]Thanks for al the information Gary. Well I'm not old but some day I will be, I hope so. And I hope to be rich by them too LOL
Other wise I think I will go to the Shamanes in the Mountains of Mexico to get me some good plants or roots, what ever it works. Saddest thing would be loosing my mojo.
For staying young I heard there are some plants in Asia, Astragalus I guess is the name is any good? Ginseng too but is so genetically alterated what we have here that I dough it it works any more.
Usually plants that are not drugs have no side effects or very little.
Keep on banging guys.
[QUOTE=Dealdo]Thanks for al the information Gary. Well I'm not old but some day I will be, I hope so. And I hope to be rich by them too LOL
Other wise I think I will go to the Shamanes in the Mountains of Mexico to get me some good plants or roots, what ever it works. Saddest thing would be loosing my mojo.
For staying young I heard there are some plants in Asia, Astragalus I guess is the name is any good? Ginseng too but is so genetically alterated what we have here that I dough it it works any more.
Usually plants that are not drugs have no side effects or very little.
Keep on banging guys.[/QUOTE]I've done the fast and cleanse detox program five times -- in Thailand, it's takes about 10 days to do. Off after New Year's to partake again for what will be an annual activity. Guarantee you will feel absolutely rejuvenated afterwards with a corresponding increase in mojo content and capability.
The last time I was in Bogota was in the winter of 1990. I am planning a trip in the next few months.
Question. Can you purchase Viagra? Do you need a perscription? What is the cost for lets say a 50 mg tab?
Can anyone help me with a question about a certain area. I have read that Bogota is divided into various Estrato. Something about 1. 6 with the better areas being the higher Estrado. I just don't quite get this? Is it a class thing? I have a Colombian friend that lives by Carrera 87. What Estrado would this be?
Thanks in adavance for your help.
The Tall Man,
Southern Cal
[QUOTE=The Tall Man]The last time I was in Bogota was in the winter of 1990. I am planning a trip in the next few months.
Question. Can you purchase Viagra? Do you need a perscription? What is the cost for lets say a 50 mg tab?
Can anyone help me with a question about a certain area. I have read that Bogota is divided into various Estrato. Something about 1. 6 with the better areas being the higher Estrado. I just don't quite get this? Is it a class thing? I have a Colombian friend that lives by Carrera 87. What Estrado would this be?
Thanks in adavance for your help.
The Tall Man,
Southern Cal[/QUOTE]Don't know about the Estrado thing. I bought some Cialis on line from the link that used to be in the top right corner on this page, now there is a pic of Silvia Saint.
I was cool with the product...turns out that its Cialis/Viagra made in India. Worked great for me! At time TOO great and I couldn't make leleche even after like 45-1hr of WORKING and 10-20 HJ...I was exhausted but my Tower of Power was still rocking strong.
Enjoy the trip!
[QUOTE=The Tall Man]The last time I was in Bogota was in the winter of 1990. I am planning a trip in the next few months.
Question. Can you purchase Viagra? Do you need a perscription? What is the cost for lets say a 50 mg tab?
Can anyone help me with a question about a certain area. I have read that Bogota is divided into various Estrato. Something about 1. 6 with the better areas being the higher Estrado. I just don't quite get this? Is it a class thing? I have a Colombian friend that lives by Carrera 87. What Estrado would this be?
Thanks in adavance for your help.
The Tall Man,
Southern Cal[/QUOTE]Generic Viagra is around 2,500 peso for the 50 MG tab.
No perscription needed.
Also except for certain types of narcotics no script is needed for anything.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]Also except for certain types of narcotics no script is needed for anything.[/QUOTE]And antibiotics now, I'm informed.
And some stuff -- antivirals come to mind -- may be difficult to impossible to find.
[QUOTE=The Tall Man]
Can anyone help me with a question about a certain area. I have read that Bogota is divided into various Estrato. Something about 1. 6 with the better areas being the higher Estrado. I just don't quite get this? Is it a class thing? I have a Colombian friend that lives by Carrera 87. What Estrado would this be?
Thanks in advance for your help.
The Tall Man,
Southern Cal[/QUOTE]Estratos 1-6 plus some new super estratos. Defines how much tax you pay and if you receive or make a contribution on your utility bills, amongst other things. It's a way of the rich subsidising the poor.
Of course, being locombia, they can be defined slightly differently by different organisations, so that the government can say it's 5, but the phone company say it's 4.
I have a large and detailed map but it's too big to upload here
[quote=the tall man]can anyone help me with a question about a certain area. i have read that bogota is divided into various estrato. something about 1. 6 with the better areas being the higher estrado. i just don't quite get this? is it a class thing? i have a colombian friend that lives by carrera 87. what estrado would this be?[/quote]i don't know all the details nor do i have the time to explain fully but it's basically a class thing as you suggest although there are many exceptions and grey areas (see below).
in a nutshell, neighborhoods and even specific buildings or structures are ranked from estrata 1 to 6 with 6 being the highest. the lower the estrata, the less you pay in utilities (and consequently other stuff in nearby businesses tend to be cheaper bringing your cost of living down by quite a bit). this is at least partly subsidized by those who live in the higher estratas. if you live in a 5 or 6 estrata building you're paying more than what the utilities really are worth to subsidize those who live in the 1, 2, 3 estratas. estrata 4 is the baseline.
having said that, some families who can afford to live in a estrata 5 or 6 prefer to live in a 2 or 3 to bring down their cost of living; and other families with social or class aspirations will try to scrape by living in a 5 or 6 area just so that their kids can grow up around the right people. . .
carrera 87 in bogota is to the west, the best neighborhoods in bogota are in the north (above calle 85) and towards the east, closer to the mountains (carreras 1 thru 15) but like i said it's complicated and you can have multiple estratas even in a small neighborhood. . .
carrera 87 sounds a bit away from the p4p action, but why don't you hang out with your buddy in bog for a few days while you get your feet wet before you head out on your own?
Thanks for the info AddictedToWomen, Slamcity7777 and Vics Picks!
I am flying out of LAX (SoCal) on Spirit Airlines through Miami. Never been on Spirit. Any of you guys?
What kinds of small item or gift from LA would be appreciated to give to (A) a woman that I will visit who I have been chatting on-line with and (B) her father / mother / siblings? I have heard that a bottle of wiskey for the father and perfume for the lady.
I heard it is cold in Bogota. I can not recall as I was last there in November 1990. I read somewhere that I should bring a small electric heater (the kind they have a Home Depot).
Thanks all of you & HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
The Tall Man
Thanks Phunluv for the info.
Happy New Year to all and be safe this year!
The Tall Man
[QUOTE=The Tall Man]I heard it is cold in Bogota. I can not recall as I was last there in November 1990. I read somewhere that I should bring a small electric heater (the kind they have a Home Depot).[/QUOTE]It can be, but this month has been warmer than usual. The good news is that I've seen fan heaters in Home Sentry K19/Cl 116. I've been looking for them for a while but finally having found them haven't had need of one.
Thanks again for the info AddictedToWomen,
I think I will pass on the heater this trip beside, I plan on heading North to San Gil area for about half of my stay and it is warm there.
Be safe all!
The Tall Man
I was watching National Geographic Channel.
They were showing Subs being built inland.
So if you happen to go into the mountains or near the coast and see a boat being built, that could be a Sub, get the hell out of there.
Just a word of caution.
Hi everyone,
I have wt69 list, but was wondering if anyone could recommend me a good chica guide in Bogota. Also I am arriving in mid feb so a wingman wold be cool.
Cheers,
Dave
[QUOTE=Jergens007]1 country that come close to having the night life of Argentina, women of Colombia and food of peru is BRAZIL!
oh hell maybe brazil has it all!
I haven't been to peru but i know it has one of the most diverse cuisine in the world.[/QUOTE]Depends of taste as always. Brasil doesn't have good food in comparison with Mexico (number one in the continent and in the world for some experts) and even Argentina that is very good on food especially meat. Peru is good too, better than Brasil for sure, because even Brazilians say it, there is better food in other countries., But night life and girls yes, you got that right.
I like all countries actually, different ways, different cultures, amazing music and arts, incredible literature (the way the language allows the imagination to put in paper images and feelings is indescribable), and a singular personality and at the same time bunch of similitudes that give them that identity, Latin American is a beautiful mosaic, very rich in cultures and color,. But the best treasure of the continent, is its people, even though the economic situation is so bad and corruption and mafias are a fucked up cancer, good people and high values still been found in every single country.,
Pretty girls are everywhere. Some places more than others, but that is so global.
On my last trip to Medellin in October I took a bus ride to Rio Claro and Doradal (3 hours).
Rio Claro is a nature preserve and ecological area with a river running thru it. There's walking and hiking trails along with things to do on the river. There's a lodge for overnight stays and also a restaurant for meals.
After Rio Claro I hopped the bus a few miles into Doradal. Just outside the town is Hacienda Napoles. This is the former home of drug-czar Pablo Escobar. They've turned it into a wild animal zoo and lodging facilities. Pablo had a large collection of exotic animals and after his killing the local state took over the grounds.
His house is being remodeled to make into a museum. But people can walk the grounds and see his former living area.
Animals that I saw: Hippopotamus, Ostrich, Zebras, Pumas, Llamas, Parrotts, Monkeys, Buffalos, and a Butterfly farm.
I plan to go back on my next trip to Medellin (March). I know this is not a travel website, but I think this is an interesting side trip for mongers.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp][QUOTE=Coffeelover]*Meat. There is steak and then there is steak. I've had a number of lomo dishes here and the meat has been awful to be polite. Tijuana had way better meat than I've had here.
Dominican Republic- Its good in new york but not in the DR. Just like mexican food is better in california and texas vs mexico
Mexico- Tijuana has decent food and so does Mexico City and oaxaca. Otherwise at least they have italian.[/QUOTE]Artist. You got me kind of lost bro. Mexico is in your worst places list for food?
But you said you have gotten good dishes there?
And them You said California and Texas has better Mexican food than Mexico it self? HAHAHA. Bro you really have a very bad gringo taste. You know the Mexicans have to change the original flavor of their food in USA for gringos, very same thing the Italianos? They said they have to ruin it to sell it but we love it like that. LOL is true. Anyways probably is not our fault. Our taste is educated since childhood. American food sucks even worst than Colombian but we can't taste the difference.
But something is almost universal (For the world's opinion not the American opinion OK?) All the food never will be better than in their original countries.
We can't compare Domino's from a real good home made pizza in Roma.
The only better food I have tried outside of their original country is frinking McDonals out of USA and is only because other countries use REAL meat. And not genetically alterated mutant cows and mixed with all kind of artificial shit.
But all this is about taste education, I like a lot better the food in their own country, my only problem is the sushi, I can't stand it, sorry but I can't have the taste of a polar bear. My fish has to be cooked, even in lime but cooked, not nasty raw. But that is only me. Everybody is free to like what ever, is OK.
I really can go everywhere with out food being a crucial issue. If a country has soul and magic for me that is my best food.
[QUOTE=BayBoy]On my last trip to Medellin in October I took a bus ride to Rio Claro and Doradal (3 hours).
Rio Claro is a nature preserve and ecological area with a river running thru it. There's walking and hiking trails along with things to do on the river. There's a lodge for overnight stays and also a restaurant for meals.
After Rio Claro I hopped the bus a few miles into Doradal. Just outside the town is Hacienda Napoles. This is the former home of drug-czar Pablo Escobar. They've turned it into a wild animal zoo and lodging facilities. Pablo had a large collection of exotic animals and after his killing the local state took over the grounds.
His house is being remodeled to make into a museum. But people can walk the grounds and see his former living area.
Animals that I saw: Hippopotamus, Ostrich, Zebras, Pumas, Llamas, Parrotts, Monkeys, Buffalos, and a Butterfly farm.
I plan to go back on my next trip to Medellin (March). I know this is not a travel website, but I think this is an interesting side trip for mongers.[/QUOTE]Bayboy interesting place.
Your reports are very welcome bro. This is a general information board and all kind of information is appreciated.
You said it. Mongers also do normal tourist activities. Hard to believe? LOL well we are full of surprises.
Just an update on something that was discussed some months back here, regarding, do regular non-pro girls here in Colombia care about a guy's age?
I have it absolutely confirmed that it WAS a factor in the original case I was talking about, the girl is 20 years old and strongly prefers guys her own age, she had a 26 year old bf but broke up with him partly because she thought he was too old.
HOWEVER there are many other examples absolutely the opposite of that. I know one girl even younger than her who almost exclusively dates guys over 30. Of course she's a prepago so that doesn't count as "non pro". But I have dated 18 and 19 year olds who could care less about anybody's age.
I read in the Lonely Planet guide book that Colombians dont like to put spices on their food. They like to eat it plain. Well, to me the main dishes taste bland in Colombia. I dont mind it with the fruits and vegetables, but with the meat cuts they need to spice it up.
My other complaint is that when I've ordered steak its usually a cheap cut of meat. Yes, there is a massive piece of beef or pork or chicken but it needs seasoning.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Just an update on something that was discussed some months back here, regarding, do regular non-pro girls here in Colombia care about a guy's age?
I have it absolutely confirmed that it WAS a factor in the original case I was talking about, the girl is 20 years old and strongly prefers guys her own age, she had a 26 year old bf but broke up with him partly because she thought he was too old.
HOWEVER there are many other examples absolutely the opposite of that. I know one girl even younger than her who almost exclusively dates guys over 30. Of course she's a prepago so that doesn't count as "non pro". But I have dated 18 and 19 year olds who could care less about anybody's age.[/QUOTE]In my opinion, most Colombian women do not have an age preference. You either are physically attractive, or you are not. You are either have a fun personality, or you do not. Age is no more than a tertiary factor.
Of course, some do prefer younger men. However, many others prefer older men. Colombian men of all ages are often outrageously immature and irresponsible. The younger they are, the worse their immaturity is. If you were a young and beautiful Colombian woman, would you date a young Colombian guy or an older foreign guy?
Some Gringos have difficulty grasping what the reality is for the countless young and beautiful women of Colombia. They have only three real choices. They can date some poor and uneducated Colombian guy from their barrio. They can be the mistress of a financially successful Colombian guy that is married to another woman. Or they can date a foreign guy. These are their three options, and they are their only options. Colombia is much more elitist than most Gringos realize. Generally speaking, financially successful Colombian men will not marry poor women from poor families living in a poor barrio. It just doesn't happen.
Anybody here worrying about their age should stop worrying about it. Don't worry about what women want. Worry about what you want. Colombian women do not like anything that indicates insecurity or weakness on the part of a man. Worrying about your age indicates such things to Colombian women. The most attractive things to Colombian women are genuine self-confidence and a fun personality.
Even in the case of those that prefer younger men, the preference is readily abandoned when they meet the "right" older man. So get out there and fuck all the young chicas you can. LOL.
[QUOTE=BayBoy]I read in the Lonely Planet guide book that Colombians dont like to put spices on their food. They like to eat it plain. Well, to me the main dishes taste bland in Colombia. I dont mind it with the fruits and vegetables, but with the meat cuts they need to spice it up.
My other complaint is that when I've ordered steak its usually a cheap cut of meat. Yes, there is a massive piece of beef or pork or chicken but it needs seasoning.[/QUOTE]Ask for ají or guacamole.
Very rare that they wouldn't have ají.
[QUOTE=Client 9]In my opinion, most Colombian women do not have an age preference. You either are physically attractive, or you are not. You are either have a fun personality, or you do not. Age is no more than a tertiary factor.
Of course, some do prefer younger men. However, many others prefer older men. Colombian men of all ages are often outrageously immature and irresponsible. The younger they are, the worse their immaturity is. If you were a young and beautiful Colombian woman, would you date a young Colombian guy or an older foreign guy?
Some Gringos have difficulty grasping what the reality is for the countless young and beautiful women of Colombia. They have only three real choices. They can date some poor and uneducated Colombian guy from their barrio. They can be the mistress of a financially successful Colombian guy that is married to another woman. Or they can date a foreign guy. These are their three options, and they are their only options. Colombia is much more elitist than most Gringos realize. Generally speaking, financially successful Colombian men will not marry poor women from poor families living in a poor barrio. It just doesn't happen.
Anybody here worrying about their age should stop worrying about it. Don't worry about what women want. Worry about what you want. Colombian women do not like anything that indicates insecurity or weakness on the part of a man. Worrying about your age indicates such things to Colombian women. The most attractive things to Colombian women are genuine self-confidence and a fun personality.
Even in the case of those that prefer younger men, the preference is readily abandoned when they meet the "right" older man. So get out there and fuck all the young chicas you can. LOL.[/QUOTE]Well, I was going to respond to the post concerning the Colombianas preference on the age of guys, however, senor Client 9, summed it up PERFECTLY.
As I have always said, and always will; age is only a factor if you let it be.
End of story.
Have fun!!
[QUOTE=Client 9]Anybody here worrying about their age should stop worrying about it. Don't worry about what women want. Worry about what you want. Colombian women do not like anything that indicates insecurity or weakness on the part of a man. Worrying about your age indicates such things to Colombian women. The most attractive things to Colombian women are genuine self-confidence and a fun personality.
LOL.[/QUOTE]True pearls of wisdom here, Client 9, and as applicable in Colombo as Colombia, Mumbai as Medellin....and I especially concur with your statement "Don't worry about what women want. Worry about what you want."
Great post!
[QUOTE=Baywatc3]Is it a good idea to buy some COP at the bank in the US to bring with or not.[/QUOTE]Good question. Does anybody know if there is a big fee for buying foreign currency at the bank? I guess not all the banks have Colombian pesos right?
Banks usually have the official rate that definitely is always better than changing cash in Colombia, you ALWAYS will lose big money in the exchange places, and there is a risk to get fake bills also.
Sometimes the ATM machines in the airport don't have money or they are far away from the exit.
[QUOTE=Client 9]If you were a young and beautiful Colombian woman, would you date a young Colombian guy or an older foreign guy?[/QUOTE]I would act like a Colombian woman and date both at the same time.
[QUOTE=Client 9]Even in the case of those that prefer younger men, the preference is readily abandoned when they meet the "right" older man.[/QUOTE]Not necessarily. This is assuming they are loyal, in which my observations shows otherwise. It's entertaining to watch what a girl does after her foreign novio leaves town.
But you are right, age is for the most part a non issue with most of them. This took me a while to get used to. My American brain just couldn't compute this into a genuine reality.
[QUOTE=Bologna]I would act like a Colombian woman and date both at the same time.
Not necessarily. This is assuming they are loyal, in which my observations shows otherwise. It's entertaining to watch what a girl does after her foreign novio leaves town.
But you are right, age is for the most part a non issue with most of them. This took me a while to get used to. My American brain just couldn't compute this into a genuine reality.[/QUOTE]Ok lets cut the crap. We already talk a lot about them, most of them go out with old foreigners or old locals just for the MONEY. Very few old guys are that "attractive" to them, Those old cool dudes don't even bother to write here their conquers because they are MATURE enough to not play the kid with the new toy. Lets face reality for ones. And enjoy what we can have, our resources are our weapons and don't try to camouflage them for "charm" don't forget there are millions of people reading the board and they can see us more clearly than we do. Some of them are locals that only laugh their guts out reading our fantasies. Some of them know the guys behind the nickname and know who has GFs fucking at will with others for more money or gifts.
Go there, enjoy life, use your skills or savings and forget about the rest.
[QUOTE=Client 9]In my opinion, most Colombian women do not have an age preference. You either are physically attractive, or you are not. You are either have a fun personality, or you do not. Age is no more than a tertiary factor.
Of course, some do prefer younger men. However, many others prefer older men. Colombian men of all ages are often outrageously immature and irresponsible. The younger they are, the worse their immaturity is. If you were a young and beautiful Colombian woman, would you date a young Colombian guy or an older foreign guy?
Some Gringos have difficulty grasping what the reality is for the countless young and beautiful women of Colombia. They have only three real choices. They can date some poor and uneducated Colombian guy from their barrio. They can be the mistress of a financially successful Colombian guy that is married to another woman. Or they can date a foreign guy. These are their three options, and they are their only options. Colombia is much more elitist than most Gringos realize. Generally speaking, financially successful Colombian men will not marry poor women from poor families living in a poor barrio. It just doesn't happen.
Anybody here worrying about their age should stop worrying about it. Don't worry about what women want. Worry about what you want. Colombian women do not like anything that indicates insecurity or weakness on the part of a man. Worrying about your age indicates such things to Colombian women. The most attractive things to Colombian women are genuine self-confidence and a fun personality.
Even in the case of those that prefer younger men, the preference is readily abandoned when they meet the "right" older man. So get out there and fuck all the young chicas you can. LOL.[/QUOTE]Ditto that. Client Nine sums it up perfectly and includes all the elements to understand why it can happen if you understand it & have the prerequesite skills to make it happen.
One addition if I may that was touched on but said in another way; regardles of ages, latin men in Latin America "tend" to be disloyal, and treat their women like shit (including in many cases beating) and gringos are known to behave "for the most part" better and treat their women better. Couple this with the fact that latin women "tend" to be be traditional unlike their north amerincan or Euro counterparts and many gringo men prefer that in a women.
It's a no-brainer match.
Until you take them to your home country but that's another discussion. LOL
All the best, Schwmm
Age is definitely a tertiary issue, but BOY does physical appearance count.
Most women in the REAL Colombia will go for option number 1 that Client 9 describes. The difference is, those guys are broke, but many of them are physically stunning, and more well educated than the typical gringo, plus they have the advantage of knowing the culture.
Just because they aren't rolling in money doesn't mean they are desparate for it like people in North America are, they have a very different mentality here. They don't NEED money because they aren't addicted to luxury.
The fact is, the more you get out of the rich bubble in the northeast of Bogota the LESS materialistic people become.
The danger of being a foreigner here, especially if you live here full time like I do, is if you carry that "money buys everything" mentality ingrained into us in North America you're going to be MISERABLE here. You will make friends and end up having them shy away from you because of that unless you learn to transcend it.
I'd go so far as to say, once you get out of the gringo chaser and interesada crowd which is a TINY minority here, your money is all but worthless when it comes to winning the heart of a genuine Colombian girl.
[QUOTE=Dealdo]Ok lets cut the crap. We already talk a lot about them, most of them go out with old foreigners or old locals just for the MONEY. Very few old guys are that "attractive" to them, Those old cool dudes don't even bother [...]
Go there, enjoy life, use your skills or savings and forget about the rest.[/QUOTE]Well said.
Couldn't agree more.
[QUOTE=Dealdo]Ok lets cut the crap. We already talk a lot about them, most of them go out with old foreigners or old locals just for the MONEY. Very few old guys are that "attractive" to them, Those old cool dudes don't even bother to write here their conquers because they are MATURE enough to not play the kid with the new toy. Lets face reality for ones. And enjoy what we can have, our resources are our weapons and don't try to camouflage them for "charm" don't forget there are millions of people reading the board and they can see us more clearly than we do. Some of them are locals that only laugh their guts out reading our fantasies. Some of them know the guys behind the nickname and know who has GFs fucking at will with others for more money or gifts.
Go there, enjoy life, use your skills or savings and forget about the rest.[/QUOTE]Mr. D, I could not agree more. Just as I look for the GFE from a pretty younger women, they are looking at the Peso that they can get from me. Yes you can be pleasent to each other and have a good time, but her bottom line is her key and I have mine. After many years of dealing with Pros and non pros I'll take the honest pro anytime. It is cheaper in the long run and after I am thru with her I am free to look for a new one.
One more issue. Now I try for the BBBJ with the Pros I deal with. What is funny to me is with a long term girl friend a BJ is not on the menu anymore unless it is your birthday or you bought her a real nice gift. Remember the old joke about why a bride smiles. They know the days of BJ's are over.
[QUOTE=Dealdo]Good question. Does anybody know if there is a big fee for buying foreign currency at the bank? I guess not all the banks have Colombian pesos right?
Banks usually have the official rate that definitely is always better than changing cash in Colombia, you ALWAYS will lose big money in the exchange places, and there is a risk to get fake bills also.
Sometimes the ATM machines in the airport don't have money or they are far away from the exit.[/QUOTE]The USA banks will not have the COP in stock but will order them for you and it will take a few days, I don't recommend doing this because they fuck you on the exchange rate just as bad as going to the cambio in the airport. As has been advised a thousand times here just go to an ATM once you are on the ground in Colombia. Just make sure to call your card company prior to leaving the states and advise them of your travels or they may shut the card off after the first time you use it. Bring some dollars also just in case you have problems with your card. Personally, the most important things I do when I travel is I bring $1000. In dollars for emergency funding, three forms of I. D., copies of my passport and two credit/debit cards from different banks. I split up my money, cards and I. D. 's and put them in different places because there is nothing worse than being in a third world country with no I. D. And/or no money, it's happened to me and it sucks ass big time.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]
... The danger of being a foreigner here, especially if you live here full time like I do, is if you carry that "money buys everything" mentality ingrained into us in North America you're going to be MISERABLE here. You will make friends and end up having them shy away from you because of that unless you learn to transcend it.
I'd go so far as to say, once you get out of the gringo chaser and interesada crowd which is a TINY minority here, your money is all but worthless when it comes to winning the heart of a genuine Colombian girl.[/QUOTE]That's a KEY point amigo, which MOST guys: travelers, visitors, foreigners, mongers, etc, never really get to appreciate and really won't fully comprehend.
You can talk and post on the subject til your blue in the face, but guys that have been burned by 'non-pro interesadas', internet dating chicas looking for a better life with 'whoever', dishonest pros, etc, just won't get it.
Life is all about experiences, and learning from them.
You've obviously learned through yours.
I've seen the proverbial 'good, bad and ugly' in Colombia and it has taught me muchisimo.
Good luck.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Age is definitely a tertiary issue, but BOY does physical appearance count.
Most women in the REAL Colombia will go for option number 1 that Client 9 describes. The difference is, those guys are broke, but many of them are physically stunning, and more well educated than the typical gringo, plus they have the advantage of knowing the culture.
Just because they aren't rolling in money doesn't mean they are desparate for it like people in North America are, they have a very different mentality here. They don't NEED money because they aren't addicted to luxury.
The fact is, the more you get out of the rich bubble in the northeast of Bogota the LESS materialistic people become.
The danger of being a foreigner here, especially if you live here full time like I do, is if you carry that "money buys everything" mentality ingrained into us in North America you're going to be MISERABLE here. You will make friends and end up having them shy away from you because of that unless you learn to transcend it.
I'd go so far as to say, once you get out of the gringo chaser and interesada crowd which is a TINY minority here, your money is all but worthless when it comes to winning the heart of a genuine Colombian girl.[/QUOTE]Money is NOT worthless when it comes to Colombian girls or girls ANYWHERE in the world even the US! Women all want the same thing. To be provided for. Sure they can say money doesn't matter. But they would still prefer a guy that can provide for them, take them out on dates, vacations, gifts, etc. Besides, most of the guys here are not looking to marry a Colombian girl. They're just looking to fuck 'them.
You can have the "money buys everything" mentality. You just can't be an asshole about it. The problem is when you think you're better than someone else. You can have money and be a generous guy. It'll be appreciated. I guess that's partly what you're saying.
I'm not sure about the physical appearance issue. You say a girl will prefer a guy that is good looking but poor over a guy that is average looking but has money. With personalities being equal? I dunno about that. I still think they would prefer the guy with the money.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]One more issue. Now I try for the BBBJ with the Pros I deal with. What is funny to me is with a long term girl friend a BJ is not on the menu anymore unless it is your birthday or you bought her a real nice gift. Remember the old joke about why a bride smiles. They know the days of BJ's are over.[/QUOTE]"...the days of BJ's are over."? SOUNDS LIKE HELL!!! LOL!
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]Mr. D, I could not agree more. Just as I look for the GFE from a pretty younger women, they are looking at the Peso that they can get from me. Yes you can be pleasent to each other and have a good time, but her bottom line is her key and I have mine. After many years of dealing with Pros and non pros I'll take the honest pro anytime. It is cheaper in the long run and after I am thru with her I am free to look for a new one.
One more issue. Now I try for the BBBJ with the Pros I deal with. What is funny to me is with a long term girl friend a BJ is not on the menu anymore unless it is your birthday or you bought her a real nice gift. Remember the old joke about why a bride smiles. They know the days of BJ's are over.[/QUOTE]That would be an ex if that happened!
In the US money is EVERYTHING when it comes to women.
Here in Colombia, the richest of the Colombians have much of the gringo mentality, but as you go down the socioeconomic ladder things change drastically.
I am EXACTLY saying that in my experience the FINEST women here, women who are not only drop dead gorgeous but razor sharp intelligent, prefer a good looking guy who is broke over an average guy who has all the money in the world.
Of course the average gringo has no idea how to disgtinguish between the real top class women here and the low hanging fruit. Living in the US with all the ugly crass ignorant people kinda fucks up your perception. That's another bitter pill to swallow, but it's the dead up truth.
My life down here, every pound I lose of excess weight, every time I upgrade my wardrobe, etc. Brings me a new degree of success with women. Most of them don't give a fuck about money. A good 90% or more. If you don't have money for the bus they'll pay your fare. If neither of you have money they will hold your hand and walk with you. If you can't afford the condom it's sexo oral.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]In the US money is EVERYTHING when it comes to women.
Here in Colombia, the richest of the Colombians have much of the gringo mentality, but as you go down the socioeconomic ladder things change drastically.
I am EXACTLY saying that in my experience the FINEST women here, women who are not only drop dead gorgeous but razor sharp intelligent, prefer a good looking guy who is broke over an average guy who has all the money in the world.
Of course the average gringo has no idea how to disgtinguish between the real top class women here and the low hanging fruit. Living in the US with all the ugly crass ignorant people kinda fucks up your perception. That's another bitter pill to swallow, but it's the dead up truth.
My life down here, every pound I lose of excess weight, every time I upgrade my wardrobe, etc. Brings me a new degree of success with women. Most of them don't give a fuck about money. A good 90% or more. If you don't have money for the bus they'll pay your fare. If neither of you have money they will hold your hand and walk with you. If you can't afford the condom it's sexo oral.[/QUOTE]Looks and class are not synonymous! There are fine, gorgeous and smart women in every class. The ones that don't care about money are in the upper class. Because they have money and don't need your money. If you want to dress up and attract the upper class, that is up to you. But there are just as hot and smart women in the lower class and these won't be stuck up and all into your looks.
Ime it's the exact opposite. People living in the richer neighborhoods very often do NOT have their own money, in fact, they are often living a financially unsustainable lifestyle for the money they have coming in, so they are totally hungry for money. In the cheaper neighborhoods a person can defend his or herself with next to nothing.
I am in a 66 day tour of Colombia. It was brought to my attention last night that there is a 60 day limit on each stay in Colombia, and any day over that is a $55 fine. He also said I could go to Belin and get a extension. I looked at my current stamp on Jan. 25th and there is nothing on it about a time limit. I did find on another earlier stamp a 60 day note. I was under the impression that 180 days total for the year was the only limit. Please no guess on this. Respond only if you know for sure.
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]I am in a 66 day tour of Colombia. It was brought to my attention last night that there is a 60 day limit on each stay in Colombia, and any day over that is a $55 fine. He also said I could go to Belin and get a extension. I looked at my current stamp on Jan. 25th and there is nothing on it about a time limit. I did find on another earlier stamp a 60 day note. I was under the impression that 180 days total for the year was the only limit. Please no guess on this. Respond only if you know for sure.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]180 days total in a year but max 90 days at a time. They almost always give you 60 days,30 days on your first trip to Colombia which is not the case for you. To get 90 days you have to go to DAS and they will extend to 90 no problem. I went through my passport and I have 23 entry stamps and they are all written in for 60 days except my first which was 30,none of them are blank. Because nothing is written on yours you are probably okay but I wouldn't take the chance,I would go to the DAS office,(I used the one in Bogota)and get the extension,if they hold you up at the airport and you miss your flight back it will cost you more than the extension.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]I am in a 66 day tour of Colombia. It was brought to my attention last night that there is a 60 day limit on each stay in Colombia, and any day over that is a $55 fine. He also said I could go to Belin and get a extension. I looked at my current stamp on Jan. 25th and there is nothing on it about a time limit. I did find on another earlier stamp a 60 day note. I was under the impression that 180 days total for the year was the only limit. Please no guess on this. Respond only if you know for sure.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]If there's no date on it get to the DAS pdq and see what the story is. Otherwise you have the potential for surprises when leaving the country with no time to sort them out.
60 days is the maximum they can give you on entry now. You can extend at DAS for 30 days at a time, like M911 (isn't that a galaxy?) says.
Can somebody explain what the hell is "Niñeto/Niñato dinero"?
From what I saw yesterday, a girl comes to a gringo and asks for "Niñeto/Niñato dinero". And he just gives her some money. Like 20K+ peso.
It looks like this country is going to be ruined. Now the girls do not have to do shit, only ask gringos for moneys. Just the same as in the back "good ol USA".
I did a little research on the internet. The legislative elections in Colombia are on March 14. The presidential election is May 30.
Presidente Uribe still hasnt been approved to be able to run for a 3rd term.
Maybe the 'moral patrols' in Medellin will ease up after that.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Can somebody explain what the hell is "Niñeto/Niñato dinero"?
From what I saw yesterday, a girl comes to a gringo and asks for "Niñeto/Niñato dinero". And he just gives her some money. Like 20K+ peso.
It looks like this country is going to be ruined. Now the girls do not have to do shit, only ask gringos for moneys. Just the same as in the back "good ol USA".[/QUOTE]While I have never been to Colombia, it looks/sounds like little boy/girl money, or money for one's little one. Yes, I had that happen in the DR. I looked indignant and said, in Spanish, that I am not a tourist. Ask one of the tourists. Even the little one had his hand out. Mercy.
I'am thinking about getting an apartment with my girlfriend(Normal girl(non-pro). P. T. Student. Works p. T. A keeper) we've been dating for about 1 year now. Has anyone had experience with"Common Law Marriage" in Colombia? The pros and cons? I've read the "Law 54 of 1990" but just want to hear some real experiences. If you do not live together full time during the year,how this effects the timelines etc?
Thanks,
Enjoy!
[QUOTE=HoleRanger]I'am thinking about getting an apartment with my girlfriend(Normal girl(non-pro). P. T. Student. Works p. T. A keeper) we've been dating for about 1 year now. Has anyone had experience with"Common Law Marriage" in Colombia? The pros and cons? I've read the "Law 54 of 1990" but just want to hear some real experiences.
Thanks,
Enjoy![/QUOTE]Why would you want to do that?
Guys
I am travelling to cartagena in 2 weeks.
Does anyone recommend any guide that can help me finding good girls?
I remember I use to call a guy JULIO in medellin, he use to find me good girls when travelling to paisas region.
Any help is appreciated.
Please send me a PM with contact info.
I don’t get this mentality. I am sitting her in Barranquilla. I am going back and forth texting this non-pro who I hit yesterday. She decides to wake up and send me a text asking if I could loan her US$50 because her daughter needs books for school. I told her no. Then she asks me not to put the pictures I took of her on the internet. I’m like why would I do that, they are private. So she says that she is going to leave the house to see if someone can loan her the money. I told her in that case I am going to leave Barranquilla since I won’t be able to see her.
Now this is the part where I always get tripped up. She said that she wants to be my girlfriend but this implies that she has a daughter who I will have to help her with financially. I tell her but your daughter has a father and I also have a daughter whom I have to help. She says she needs a man that will help her and asks if I am going to help her. So I tell her that I want a girlfriend, not a puta.
[QUOTE=Tyrone J]Hello, fellow mongering community,
etc etc etc [/QUOTE]Err, why do I care?
Here in Bogota, it is NOT the norm for a boyfriend to help out his girlfriend financially. That's a whole nother level of relationship. Generally the MUTUAL financial support doesn't kick in unless the two people in question are cohabitating. You got a real bad egg there.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]I don’t get this mentality. I am sitting her in Barranquilla. I am going back and forth texting this non-pro who I hit yesterday. She decides to wake up and send me a text asking if I could loan her US$50 because her daughter needs books for school. I told her no. Then she asks me not to put the pictures I took of her on the internet. I’m like why would I do that, they are private. So she says that she is going to leave the house to see if someone can loan her the money. I told her in that case I am going to leave Barranquilla since I won’t be able to see her.
Now this is the part where I always get tripped up. She said that she wants to be my girlfriend but this implies that she has a daughter who I will have to help her with financially. I tell her but your daughter has a father and I also have a daughter whom I have to help. She says she needs a man that will help her and asks if I am going to help her. So I tell her that I want a girlfriend, not a puta.[/QUOTE]
Would it be better to just giver her 100 mil COP after each time you hit it and keepin' it on that level? So much less complicated than dealin' with a Colombiana novia.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]I don’t get this mentality. I am sitting her in Barranquilla. I am going back and forth texting this non-pro who I hit yesterday. She decides to wake up and send me a text asking if I could loan her US$50 because her daughter needs books for school. I told her no. Then she asks me not to put the pictures I took of her on the internet. I’m like why would I do that, they are private. So she says that she is going to leave the house to see if someone can loan her the money. I told her in that case I am going to leave Barranquilla since I won’t be able to see her.
Now this is the part where I always get tripped up. She said that she wants to be my girlfriend but this implies that she has a daughter who I will have to help her with financially. I tell her but your daughter has a father and I also have a daughter whom I have to help. She says she needs a man that will help her and asks if I am going to help her. So I tell her that I want a girlfriend, not a puta.[/QUOTE]
I travel a lot for the purpose of mongering in latin countries but have not been to Columbia. I can not decide which city to go to, I am leaning towards Bogota but am open to suggestions or driving points to push me to another city. ANYHOW. I Stumbled across a site called TLC tours that charges 995 for this 4 day thing that has 300 plus women to meet about 50 guys every 6 months or so in Cali. Money is not that big of an issue here, but My question to you guys is this. P4P is obviously avail, but are decent girls that like or desire to be with gringos around? I do like to P4P but then during the day or night at a bar I would like to think I could go out and meet a decent girl and providing we hit it off I wouldn't be asked for money in order to spend the night with her. This tour claims to be decent girls looking for marriage, and since I am 28 and not bad looking I am considering attempting to start to look and if it happens it does, just not with a hooker. Anyhow. Is this tour BS and are the girls here that are seriously interested in guys from USA hard to find? OR is the use of this tour make life easy for meeting these girls? I went to the Philapeans and you could find both anywhere there. Girls that would accept money for what ever your heart desired down to girls that would love to meet a nice man for marriage. I hold a light to the Philiapeans and tend to think its the only country with both kinds of girls readily avail with no gray area. YOu want a hooker. Go to a strip club or free lancer bar or massage parlor. You want to meet a girl, just go out on the town and they are doing anything just to say Hi to you! Fill me in guys. I'm curions. Sorry for so much details in one post. But I have to know and I need the help!
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]I don’t get this mentality. I am sitting her in Barranquilla. I am going back and forth texting this non-pro who I hit yesterday. She decides to wake up and send me a text asking if I could loan her US$50 because her daughter needs books for school. I told her no. Then she asks me not to put the pictures I took of her on the internet. I’m like why would I do that, they are private. So she says that she is going to leave the house to see if someone can loan her the money. I told her in that case I am going to leave Barranquilla since I won’t be able to see her.
Now this is the part where I always get tripped up. She said that she wants to be my girlfriend but this implies that she has a daughter who I will have to help her with financially. I tell her but your daughter has a father and I also have a daughter whom I have to help. She says she needs a man that will help her and asks if I am going to help her. So I tell her that I want a girlfriend, not a puta.[/QUOTE]You have to understand... The people in most latin countries are POOR. This is not the United States. The father doesn't normally support their children because they are POOR. To a certain extent, us gringos take advantage of this. Having a GF in latin society implies that you help them out financially. What you said was COLD! If you don't want the drama, get a puta as you put it.
[QUOTE=Hioctane]You have to understand... The people in most latin countries are POOR. This is not the United States. The father doesn't normally support their children because they are POOR. To a certain extent, us gringos take advantage of this. Having a GF in latin society implies that you help them out financially. What you said was COLD! If you don't want the drama, get a puta as you put it.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. Just reading the story made me cringe.
* Everything is surreal. Most GFE's you meet in latin america have kids or need money. A few want to marry a nice guy and have kids but that usually translates into money anyway.
If you aren't willing to "pull caballo" as meatloaf would say then just pay by the hour. If you still want GFE then expect to pay more and budget accordingly.
Once you figure out your budget you will know when the *cut off point is for your date. Enjoy the memories.
I don't mean to sound obnoxious and of course there are exceptions. However if you stick to this philosophy you will enjoy your time in SA alot more.
At some point some of us become "companion mongers"...willing to pay for a girl just to hang around. I get it trust me but it's too depressing.
Have monger friends and just fuck pfp is my advice.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]I don’t get this mentality. I am sitting her in Barranquilla. I am going back and forth texting this non-pro who I hit yesterday. She decides to wake up and send me a text asking if I could loan her US$50 because her daughter needs books for school. I told her no. Then she asks me not to put the pictures I took of her on the internet. I’m like why would I do that, they are private. So she says that she is going to leave the house to see if someone can loan her the money. I told her in that case I am going to leave Barranquilla since I won’t be able to see her.
Now this is the part where I always get tripped up. She said that she wants to be my girlfriend but this implies that she has a daughter who I will have to help her with financially. I tell her but your daughter has a father and I also have a daughter whom I have to help. She says she needs a man that will help her and asks if I am going to help her. So I tell her that I want a girlfriend, not a puta.[/QUOTE]Bro if you want a Gf in Colombia be prepared to deal with her kids expenses and maybe her family's as well. As HighO said, poor girls really need support, if you really love the girl 50k is not a reason to act like a cheap bastard. You wanted to play that game have to deal with it or forget about it, BFs are gone and they are on their own, You may know it, so free sex is out of the menu most of the time in this loving continent. At least this girl ask for her kids, some others ask for plastic surgery and shopping tours to the most expensive malls.
[QUOTE=Dealdo]Bro if you want a Gf in Colombia be prepared to deal with her kids expenses and maybe her family's as well. As HighO said, poor girls really need support, if you really love the girl 50k is not a reason to act like a cheap bastard. You wanted to play that game have to deal with it or forget about it, BFs are gone and they are on their own, You may know it, so free sex is out of the menu most of the time in this loving continent. At least this girl ask for her kids, some others ask for plastic surgery and shopping tours to the most expensive malls.[/QUOTE]I have dated many women from all over Colombia in the past 10 years and to avoid the above, just pass on the barrios chicas and ones with Kids, Contrary to popular belief, you can find hot, professional women in Colombia that will not ask for a dime from you and give great GFE. You just have to do your research. Most guys think with a Dingle only, so a poor barrio chica gets them motoring. We all have been lured in by this and it ends up costing a lot more then just paying by the hour, but you go after a more educated women, she usually does not need your help. Last time I paid for more then food and drink, which I would need anyway, was maybe 5 years ago. I still buy them little gifts, but cell phones, expensive clothes, plastic surgery, give me a break, you are only proliferating the problem.
I'm a foreigner, living in Medellin with a Colombian wife on a (second) visa that is valid for two years. That visa is glued on one of the pages in my passport.
My passport expires at the end of this year while my visa will expire a couple of months after that. That means that when I renew my passport, the old one will be destroyed with the visa(s) in it.
One of you recognize this situation and what was the sequel to that?
Me going to the DAS might give an answer, but before going there I'd like to have some knowledge.
[quote=bango cheito]here in bogota, it is not the norm for a boyfriend to help out his girlfriend financially. that's a whole nother level of relationship. generally the mutual financial support doesn't kick in unless the two people in question are cohabitating. you got a real bad egg there.[/quote][quote=hioctane]the people in most latin countries are poor. this is not the united states. the father doesn't normally support their children because they are poor. to a certain extent, us gringos take advantage of this. having a gf in latin society implies that you help them out financially. what you said was cold![/quote]with my experience it is not the norm for a boyfriend in la society to give his girlfriend money (unless by boyfriend you mean gringo boyfriend). if it is, then where is all this money coming from? is it that the men have money but the women don't? if they are too poor to support their kids how are they handing out sums to a girlfriend that we as gringos are sometimes asked for? i have had a lion's share of girlfriends from mexico, central america, south america, and the dr. the average everyday lady will not ask a man for money, and many insist on carrying a fair share of the load (e. g. paying half or sometimes all). this especially holds true when they are the least bit educated.
around october i called myself trying to deal with a woman about 40 years old who had a nice ass apartment in the north of bogota. she did not have a job. i think her ex-husband was still paying for the place. she was just itching to get married again. why? imho because she was a sorry, lazy broad who wanted someone to take care of her. which is probably why her husband left her in the first place. i told her that it makes more sense to meet someone then decide you want to marry that person. not to decide you want to get married and afterwards find a person that is willing to do it with you.
long story short, i took her, her mom, and her son (who is 20 years old in college studying architecture and has a son as well) to eat sunday dinner. when their driver friend was dropping me at my hotel she asked me for money for her son to get some copies he needed for school. i told her i didn't have money for that. she said, "no problem. we will just go to the atm again. " she told her friend, without approval or acknowledgement from me, to stop at the atm that was near my hotel. i got out of the car and asked how much the copies were going to cost. she told me to get 100,000 pesos. i damn near cursed her out. i had just spent 75,000 pesos feeding her family and she wanted me to just hand them 100,000 more pesos. not the kid. i could see where this was headed so i decided to chalk it up and take the loss. i proceeded to walk the block to my hotel without looking back. now if you are going to tell me this type of thing is normal then i have a 1968 black and white floor model tv to sell you.
i think it is more an issue of home training. whenever i came to cali i would stay at my ex-girlfriend's house. she is now 19 years old. her parents do not have money. her dad is a concrete worker and her mom sews at home. they would always insist i stay at their house and not pay for a hotel when i was dating their daughter. her mom always made 3 meals/day and they would never think of accepting money from me. i went by there last night as a matter of fact. they have gotten a new decorative sofa that is smaller than the old casual one was. so i jokingly asked her mom where was i supposed to sleep now.
when i returned from there last night i talked to an old flame who was going to come by so we could go out about 11:30pm. she ended up not being able to make it; i forget the reason she told me. then this morning she called and apologized that she could not make it. she said the real reason was that she didn't have any money in her purse but she thought she would be able to scrape enough up to come see me. she said she was sorry but she was ashamed to tell me she didn't have any money. i told her that i understood but she did not need any money because i would have paid for the taxi. she repeated that she was really ashamed to tell me. then she invited me to come to her house for lunch.
now, i don't mind paying to take people out, buying them unsolicited gifts, paying for buses and taxis and things of that sort. but to give out cash, i'm just not seeing it. if i give them milk money on monday how are they going to get it for the next six days? (hint: from me again!) the most i am accustomed to a non-pro asking for is a souvenir from some place. now if it was someone i was very close to like my ex here in cali; if something happened and she needed money for school then gladly i would see what i could do. but to hand out money because a girl who i am trying to get to know had a kid with a deadbeat dad i will never do. if we are already fucking then i bring up the hooker line. if not, then i just distance myself from them. i refuse to let them straddle the fence. either you are gf or you are p4p. can't be both.
by the way, the one in barranquilla who asked me for money the other day is back on the train. all it took for me was to stop answering her calls and texts for a couple of days. she has apologized for asking me for money and says that she really likes me and she misses me and wants to be with me. i'm telling you man, you have to nip that shit in the bud. don't let it linger. you have to make it so there will be no doubt in their mind that you will not be the one to play those games with them. remember, there are too many more of them the same place that you got that one from. be able to discern who wants you from who wants your money.
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[QUOTE=Dealdo]Bro if you want a Gf in Colombia be prepared to deal with her kids expenses and maybe her family's as well. As HighO said, poor girls really need support, if you really love the girl 50k is not a reason to act like a cheap bastard. You wanted to play that game have to deal with it or forget about it, BFs are gone and they are on their own, You may know it, so free sex is out of the menu most of the time in this loving continent. At least this girl ask for her kids, some others ask for plastic surgery and shopping tours to the most expensive malls.[/QUOTE]I actually prefer they say that they need it for plastic surgery or shopping. That way I can say no without guilt. I just don't like that they use kids as an excuse. If you don't want the problem.. don't have 3 kids before you turn 18! LOL. I don't like to deny kids, but it makes me mad when they use that excuse and they are probably using that same excuse for every extrano they meet.
I have a Colombian visa (permanent) and renewed my US passport. They US) sent my old passport back with the Visa intact, no problema. I also found it cheaper to say I am in Colombia as a tourist as long as I am staying less than 30 days.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational] I had just spent 75, 000 pesos feeding her family and she wanted me to just hand them 100, 000 more pesos. Not the kid. I could see where this was headed so I decided to chalk it up and take the loss. I proceeded to walk the block to my hotel without looking back.
-You seem like a very nice guy. Someone like myself would have never given them a cent more. The fact that U-turned your back on them walking back to your hotel means nothing. They are 100k richer. I wish that's all it took to make $50 in NYC.
I think it is more an issue of home training. Whenever I came to Cali I would stay at my ex-girlfriend's house. She is now 19 years old. I refuse to let them straddle the fence. Either you are GF or you are P4P. Can't be both.
-It's not my business but how old are you? "She is now 19". There is no such thing at true love between an adult man and a 19 yr old. You and her have absolutely NOTHING in common. It's all about money and "what can you do for me"? You can find that in most Medellin casas. Why make it difficult when it doesn't have to be?
You have to make it so there will be no doubt in their mind that you will not be the one to play those games with them. Remember, there are too many more of them the same place that you got that one from. Be able to discern who wants you from who wants your money.
-You seem like a really nice guy with a heart. I'd keep it under a lock and key while mongering.
Of course this is ALL IMHO.
[QUOTE=Menteng]I'm a foreigner, living in Medellin with a Colombian wife on a (second) visa that is valid for two years. That visa is glued on one of the pages in my passport.
My passport expires at the end of this year while my visa will expire a couple of months after that. That means that when I renew my passport, the old one will be destroyed with the visa(s) in it.
One of you recognize this situation and what was the sequel to that?
Me going to the DAS might give an answer, but before going there I'd like to have some knowledge.[/QUOTE]They do not destroy the passport. They only cancel/invalidate it and give it back to you. They know that it contains visas that do not run concurrent with the passport expiration. But just to be safe let them know that you have a visa and in it and you must have it back.
I write this with a lot of hesitation since the last time I mentioned the overland security issue in some rural parts of Colombia several posters said I was full of it. So, this is not intended to deter travel to Colombia, just to reiterate and put the info out there. Principally for the newbies. That some areas of Colombia IMO, shouldn't be travelled overland. Particulaly in the southwest allthough there are other areas as well.
For about the past five days Caracol TV & the papers have reported almost daily separate FARC ambushes & hot skirmishes between the the FARC & the Army in the departments of Narino, Cauca & El Valle but quite frankly I didn't recognize any of the names of Municipalities mentioned so I wasn't prompted to post about it.
Well today, all over the Colombian news reports is the story of the the large truck that was ambushed by the FARC on the Panamerican Highway between Cali & Papoyan in Cauca. Two dead. Army responded. Lots of bomb material left behind by the FARC was found nearby. This is normally a secure highway travelled daily by the local population and intercity commercial traffic.
Be smart & have fun, Schwmm
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]By the way, the one in Barranquilla who asked me for money the other day is back on the train. All it took for me was to stop answering her calls and texts for a couple of days. She has apologized for asking me for money and says that she really likes me and she misses me and wants to be with me. I'm telling you man, you have to nip that shit in the bud. Don't let it linger. You have to make it so there will be no doubt in their mind that you will not be the one to play those games with them. Remember, there are too many more of them the same place that you got that one from. Be able to discern who wants you from who wants your money.[/QUOTE]Hmmmm. A tiger don't change it's stripes amigo.
It's your deal, but I wouldn't trust that chica for un segundo.
Good luck.
Mr Enternational and Zippy,
Thanks for your enlightening thoughts on this subject.
I'll have to keep this in mind!
[QUOTE=Hioctane]I actually prefer they say that they need it for plastic surgery or shopping. That way I can say no without guilt. I just don't like that they use kids as an excuse. If you don't want the problem. Don't have 3 kids before U-turn 18! LOL. I don't like to deny kids, but it makes me mad when they use that excuse and they are probably using that same excuse for every extrano they meet.[/QUOTE]Well well to much mess. I really don't care about Gfs and their plays or not plays. I keep, my self far from them, no need all the complications and stuff, if you guys give them money or deny it is part of your private life, No dramas and scams for me, you guys can have them all =). I just notice they use a lot the gringos in general. But everybody do what they please. That's why we have freedom of action. Lets go back to talking about sex baby.
LocoGringo and Mr Enternational,
Thanks for the info. I feel much more comfortable now.
In the last 38 months, two trips to Cali, a bunch more to CTG and BAQ and Santa Marta, two to San Andres and three visits to MDE I can say without a single doubt in my mind that MDE rules. I would also include Lima, Costa Rica and the DR in the mix.
In the other places except Lima I spend double the money on rooms and sexo. Lima would almost come close if you did not have to use so many taxi's while breathing all the pollution.
If only a LDV in MDE and I don't think I would ever leave.
Matter of fact I am in BAQ right now and I think I will cut this visit short and head back to Mayorista pronto.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]In the last 38 months, two trips to Cali, a bunch more to CTG and BAQ and Santa Marta, two to San Andres and three visits to MDE I can say without a single doubt in my mind that MDE rules. I would also include Lima, Costa Rica and the DR in the mix.
In the other places except Lima I spend double the money on rooms and sexo. Lima would almost come close if you did not have to use so many taxi's while breathing all the pollution.
If only a LDV in MDE and I don't think I would ever leave.
Matter of fact I am in BAQ right now and I think I will cut this visit short and head back to Mayorista pronto.[/QUOTE]I'm beginning to think that maybe not having a LDV in MDE is a blessing in disguise. It would attract the casual sex tourist and MDE will end being like Cartegena or Costa Rica.
[QUOTE=Menteng]I'm a foreigner, living in Medellin with a Colombian wife on a (second) visa that is valid for two years. That visa is glued on one of the pages in my passport.
My passport expires at the end of this year while my visa will expire a couple of months after that. That means that when I renew my passport, the old one will be destroyed with the visa(s) in it.
One of you recognize this situation and what was the sequel to that?
Me going to the DAS might give an answer, but before going there I'd like to have some knowledge.[/QUOTE]This doesn't sound quite right.
With the first spousal visa you should have gone to DAS and got a 2 year CE. I think this CE can then be converted into a residence visa after that time, though I don't know how that works.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]In the last 38 months, two trips to Cali, a bunch more to CTG and BAQ and Santa Marta, two to San Andres and three visits to MDE I can say without a single doubt in my mind that MDE rules. I would also include Lima, Costa Rica and the DR in the mix.
In the other places except Lima I spend double the money on rooms and sexo.[/QUOTE]You are telling me. I am in Lima right now and my room is only 35 soles (23, 000 pesos). Beats the 85, 000 and 90, 000 pesos I was paying in Colombia. But I have to admit after being to 60+ countries that Colombia has the most beautiful women on the planet.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]In the last 38 months, two trips to Cali, a bunch more to CTG and BAQ and Santa Marta, two to San Andres and three visits to MDE I can say without a single doubt in my mind that MDE rules. I would also include Lima, Costa Rica and the DR in the mix.
In the other places except Lima I spend double the money on rooms and sexo. Lima would almost come close if you did not have to use so many taxi's while breathing all the pollution.
If only a LDV in MDE and I don't think I would ever leave.
Matter of fact I am in BAQ right now and I think I will cut this visit short and head back to Mayorista pronto.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% Vics Picks. I too have been to Lima, CR, DR plus Rio and Buenos Aires. Medellin is the best place for the money. When it comes to selection, chica choice, sexo options, day and night action, cost basis and looks Medellin is #1. Bogota is too big for me, plus I dont like the weather. Cartagena is a great environment, but the prices are too high for me.
Viva Medellin may it stay the way it is.
[QUOTE=Hioctane]I'm beginning to think that maybe not having a LDV in MDE is a blessing in disguise. It would attract the casual sex tourist and MDE will end being like Cartegena or Costa Rica.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry I can't find LDV on the abbreviation list; it is what?
Yes, I would hate to see Mede lose it's charm that I have become so enamored with.
[QUOTE=Slamcity7777]I'm sorry I can't find LDV on the abbreviation list; it is what?
Yes, I would hate to see Mede lose it's charm that I have become so enamored with.[/QUOTE]It's a freelance club in Cartegena, something that Medellin lacks.
[QUOTE=Hioctane]I'm beginning to think that maybe not having a LDV in MDE is a blessing in disguise. It would attract the casual sex tourist and MDE will end being like Cartegena or Costa Rica.[/QUOTE]Hioctane,
Very good point indeed. I always thought that Medellin needed a place like LDV but now I am glad it doesn't. Even though Medellin gets its share of non-spanish speaking gringos it is limited because navigating the "scene" would be very intimidating for most people, I would never try it in my early days, my first few trips to Colombia were to Cartagena. Now that I speak enough spanish to get around I don't go to Cartagena because the prices for food and lodging are too high.
[QUOTE=Slamcity7777]I'm sorry I can't find LDV on the abbreviation list; it is what?
Yes, I would hate to see Mede lose it's charm that I have become so enamored with.[/QUOTE]La Dolce Vita is One of the most famous pickup bars in South America. Located in CTG it has many stunners to be had with no bar fine. The starting price they mostly likely ask is $100 but can be gotten for much less with a little effort.
La Dolce Vida (LDV) is a dance club in Cartagena that has free lancers for take out. It's kinda ground zero for the monger scene in the city.
Newbe check list
After learning many things the hard way I thought I would share some info on helpful travel hints.
1. Before you depart call all banks and credit companys about your plans. Get the international phone numbers for any problems once you are in place. Have at least 2 different ATM cards.
Bring some cash also. Your call depending on how long your trip will B.
2. Keep a list of friends and family phone numbers you may need to call if problems arise.
3. Make a couple of copies of your passport photo page. Do not carry your passport unless you must as a copy will do most anywhere except the airport.
4. Pack so you can only use carry on bags. This will save you time at the airport and also no worry about bags. I have had my bags lost twice and it took each time 2 days to get them back with an extra trip to the airport to retrieve them.
5. At the airport keep most of your cash hidden on your person as this is a most dangerous time for you as crooks know you did not come to their country without money in your pocket.
6. For longer stays get an apartment, for short stays always get a girl friendly hotel close to the action.
7. Never fool around with girls who work at your hotel. I can not stress this enough.
8. Check ISG often on your laptop. Yes a laptop is a great tool for info and down time.
9. Try and hook up with other more experienced Mongers if possible. At the least you will save money on cabs, and no doubt learn a lot from a experienced hand. Also take cabs to bad areas that you visit.
10. At places you want to return get the card. It is way better to show a cab driver a card than use your most likely limited Spanish.
11. Try and learn at least some basic Spanish like numbers and greetings and such. Better yet take a course before you leave home
12. If you are with a person who is from the country you are at and it comes time to get a price on goods or services it would be wise to lay back so the other party does not give a Gringo price
13.. Be a good fellow to the girls you meet. Treat them like a lady and you will be rewarded with most likely good service.
14. Don't over pay or over tip the working girls. Do not spoil things for other Mongers.
15. Try as best as you can to blend in to the local scene. Don't wear shorts to night clubs
16. If you get drunk in a bar you are now a possible target for bad guys. Yes they are out there and are watching for easy prey.
17. This one should have been closer to the top. If you are in for a long stay and are tired the first night then go to bed. Yeah I know you want action, but for me I always wish I would have taken it easy the first night. For you way younger guys you can disregard this warning.
18. Very important. Have fun, this is your time. Make the best of it. If you make a mistake don't sweat it just move on.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]
... I have to admit after being to 60+ countries that Colombia has the most beautiful women on the planet.[/QUOTE]It's all about personal tastes amigo.
I'd give Venezuela at least an equal rating if not better and Brazil ain't lagging too far behind either.
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]This doesn't sound quite right.
With the first spousal visa you should have gone to DAS and got a 2 year CE. I think this CE can then be converted into a residence visa after that time, though I don't know how that works.[/QUOTE]After the second consecutive CE, issued after a second Visa, glued in one's passport, one can opt for residence. I'm in the second CE fase now. Only, like I posted before, my passport, with the second visa in it, will expire before I complete the 4 years. In the past, when the townhall destroys my old passport, I didnt bother. But now I will need an undamaged page where the visa is attached.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]Newbe check list
17. This one should have been closer to the top. If you are in for a long stay and are tired the first night then go to bed. Yeah I know you want action, but for me I always wish I would have taken it easy the first night. For you way younger guys you can disregard this warning.[/QUOTE]I think this point (#17, above) is one of the best tips, regardless of age.
I always spend my first few hours; #1 of course, geting settled in the room and then #2, provided I haven't arrive too late in the day, going to the supermarket and stocking up on my supplies: Food, juice, coffee supplies, several litres of good Chilean wine, beer, sodas H20, etc. etc, etc.
You don' have to fuck anything and everying that moves as fast as possible.
Just me I guess.
Schwmm
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]Newbe check list
After learning many things the hard way I thought I would share some info on helpful travel hints.
1. Before you depart call all banks and credit companys about your plans. Get the international phone numbers for any problems once you are in place. Have at least 2 different ATM cards.
Bring some cash also. Your call depending on how long your trip will B.
2. Keep a list of friends and family phone numbers you may need to call if problems arise.
3. Make a couple of copies of your passport photo page. Do not carry your passport unless you must as a copy will do most anywhere except the airport.
4. Pack so you can only use carry on bags. This will save you time at the airport and also no worry about bags. I have had my bags lost twice and it took each time 2 days to get them back with an extra trip to the airport to retrieve them.
5. At the airport keep most of your cash hidden on your person as this is a most dangerous time for you as crooks know you did not come to their country without money in your pocket.
6. For longer stays get an apartment, for short stays always get a girl friendly hotel close to the action.
7. Never fool around with girls who work at your hotel. I can not stress this enough.
8. Check ISG often on your laptop. Yes a laptop is a great tool for info and down time.
9. Try and hook up with other more experienced Mongers if possible. At the least you will save money on cabs, and no doubt learn a lot from a experienced hand. Also take cabs to bad areas that you visit.
10. At places you want to return get the card. It is way better to show a cab driver a card than use your most likely limited Spanish.
11. Try and learn at least some basic Spanish like numbers and greetings and such. Better yet take a course before you leave home
12. If you are with a person who is from the country you are at and it comes time to get a price on goods or services it would be wise to lay back so the other party does not give a Gringo price
13.. Be a good fellow to the girls you meet. Treat them like a lady and you will be rewarded with most likely good service.
14. Don't over pay or over tip the working girls. Do not spoil things for other Mongers.
15. Try as best as you can to blend in to the local scene. Don't wear shorts to night clubs
16. If you get drunk in a bar you are now a possible target for bad guys. Yes they are out there and are watching for easy prey.
17. This one should have been closer to the top. If you are in for a long stay and are tired the first night then go to bed. Yeah I know you want action, but for me I always wish I would have taken it easy the first night. For you way younger guys you can disregard this warning.
18. Very important. Have fun, this is your time. Make the best of it. If you make a mistake don't sweat it just move on.
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]Excellent advise Vics, only one question,please explain #7,why no messing with the hotel help?
Big thanks to all of the gentlemen who replied to my post about "La Docle Vida". Very kind of you.
I love this board almost as much as I love Colombia. Well no, but you get what I mean.
Enjoy fellas, I'm shooting for April return!
Messing with the hotel help is an excellent way to get robbed.
[QUOTE=Manizales911]Excellent advise Vics, only one question,please explain #7,why no messing with the hotel help?[/QUOTE]How could you bring other girls into your room once you are involved with a staff member. It doesn't matter if they are off that day.There is nothing that goes on in a hotel that is not passed on to interested partys.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]How could you bring other girls into your room once you are involved with a staff member. It doesn't matter if they are off that day.There is nothing that goes on in a hotel that is not passed on to interested partys.[/QUOTE]You said it brother!
Same reason I stay away from chicas in my work-place.
Too close and too much chitter chatter.
A lot has been said lately about safety in Colombia. Mostly newbes a little to lazy to read the board. I want to bring up a point on this issue that I think is being overlooked a bit. To me the number one saftey issue in So. America is getting run over on the street by the most agressive drivers I have ever seen. I walk a lot so maybe it is more apparent to me than maybe you other guys. Just the other day I looked both ways and the coast was clear to cross a street in BAQ. No sooner did I step in the street came a car around the corner. Still plenty of time for me to cross, but this Bastard steped on the gas and aimed right for me. I had to really hustle to just make it to the other side of the street. This has happened to me many time over here.
Yes sure there are bad guys to worry about, but IMHO the most pressing danger here is walking across the street. No kidding, I really mean this.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]Newbe check list[/QUOTE]I would add:
# Have the hotel empty the mini bar on arrival, especially if you are planning to invite anyone back. Visit the local supermarket to stock up at a reasonable price.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]A lot has been said lately about safety in Colombia. Mostly newbes a little to lazy to read the board. I want to bring up a point on this issue that I think is being overlooked a bit. To me the number one saftey issue in So. America is getting run over on the street by the most agressive drivers I have ever seen. I walk a lot so maybe it is more apparent to me than maybe you other guys. Just the other day I looked both ways and the coast was clear to cross a street in BAQ. No sooner did I step in the street came a car around the corner. Still plenty of time for me to cross, but this Bastard steped on the gas and aimed right for me. I had to really hustle to just make it to the other side of the street. This has happened to me many time over here.
Yes sure there are bad guys to worry about, but IMHO the most pressing danger here is walking across the street. No kidding, I really mean this.[/QUOTE]Good point. I never ever walk across the street,I run across even if there are no cars in sight. When they see an obvious gringo like me it turns into a sport for them.
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]I would add:
# Have the hotel empty the mini bar on arrival, especially if you are planning to invite anyone back. Visit the local supermarket to stock up at a reasonable price.[/QUOTE]I just had a Chica have fun with my mini bar.
Maybe in the back of my mind I made this list up so other guys would add to it and I would pick up good intel.
I'm making plans to go to Columbia for the first time, I'm American and my Canadian friend will me meet there. We don't know more than a few dozen Spanish words.
Of course part of the trip is find girls and otherwise have fun and we want to be and feel safe. We are looking at about an 8 or 9 day trip. Would we be better off going to Cartagena or Medellin? And why? Are they about the same prices for food, drinks and ladies?
Is a bus trip or plane trip to each other reasonable?
Thanks for any info.
[QUOTE=Playing The Game]Cartagena is at least twice as expensive as Medellin for accomodations, food, entertainment, and girls. It is far and away the most expensive city in Colombia. You can plan on spending a minimum of $250.00 dollars a day not counting the cost of your accomodations if you want to party on the beach and in the bars each day/night.
I suggest you go to Medellin and stay at the Casa Blanca (Mansion or El Castillo), or stay at Franks Place, or possibly Parceros Penthouse where you will be able to communicate with many others in similar situations as you, and be around others who know the lay of the land.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, I'll look into staying at those places. And do some more research.
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]I just had a Chica have fun with my mini bar.
Maybe in the back of my mind I made this list up so other guys would add to it and I would pick up good intel.[/QUOTE]Vic,
You forgot to mention the monger "doosh bag" . Never leave your hotel without it.
Contents:
Alcohol Wipes
Listerine strips (enough for two)
Condoms
Hand lotion
Mouth Wash
Gum
* Pen and Paper (can't stress this enough)
A city map
Roll on fragrance oil
Smokes/ Lighter
I would add to this almond oil, best lubrication on the planet!
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Vic,
You forgot to mention the monger "doosh bag" . Never leave your hotel without it.
Contents:
Alcohol Wipes
Listerine strips (enough for two)
Condoms
Hand lotion
Mouth Wash
Gum
* Pen and Paper (can't stress this enough)
A city map
Roll on fragrance oil
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Hi Guys,
Just got back in to Bucuramanga and looking for any current info. Going to be here for a week para gliding and would like to have some fun and prefer casa as my spanish is pretty bad.
in San Gil if you go do stay at Hotel Victoria. Stayed there last year and again this week. Great rates and nice people
last year the suite with fully stocked bar, AC, cable and dvd ect $40mil
This week took a private without AC but had nice small room with cable ect $20mil a night. It's less then the back packers are paying in some of the dorms there. i figure they don't need to know. Why screw it up for the rest of us.
Was talking with a local friend yesterday and he told me they just opened up a new casa bar just out of down. it's across the river hang a left and one kick out of town. Taxi should be able to get you there. I had also been told before there where a few casa's out that way along the river.
Happy hunting,
Sky
Just reading thru the last cpl weeks of Post.
Want to confirm I was also just told by a local and an expat I know living here that things are a little hot between Cali and the Border of Ecuador.
They both said by NO MEANS travel at Night at this time in those areas.
Happy hunting,
Sky
[QUOTE=Vics Picks]I just had a Chica have fun with my mini bar.[/QUOTE]That'll cost ya more that the fucking!
[QUOTE=Gagoo]I'm making plans to go to Columbia for the first time, I'm American and my Canadian friend will me meet there. We don't know more than a few dozen Spanish words.
Of course part of the trip is find girls and otherwise have fun and we want to be and feel safe. We are looking at about an 8 or 9 day trip. Would we be better off going to Cartagena or Medellin? And why? Are they about the same prices for food, drinks and ladies?
Is a bus trip or plane trip to each other reasonable?
Thanks for any info.[/QUOTE]I'm not trying to deter you from visiting Colombia, but you may want to delay your visit until you've enchanced you language skills at the very least. I've been to 6 different cities in the country and I am in love with the chicas, culture, cuisine, and music of the country. I am Colombia's biggest fan, but I am fully aware of risks I take with every visit. While me and my two traveling buddies always take precautions (dress down, no jewelry, minimal English when on the streets at night, etc.), even the most savy and street smart traveler can find himself in a dangerous situation in this country. Anyone who says the country is safe is either not well informed or is seriously over confident. My last trip I met an expat who was robbed at gunpoint in Parque Lleras at 7pm on a busy street. One of my good friends from grad. School, a Paisita that studied in the USA, told me that most of the people in her family have been robbed. Her dad travels with a bodyguard in an armored car at all times. She told me I was crazy when I told her I go to El Centro and she cussed me out for telling her I was going to Comuna 13. Granted her family has money, but when rateros see gringos. They see plata. If you're speaking English you might as well be a wealthy Colombian businessman.
I would highly recommend that you visit the DR, Costa Rica or even Lima prior to Colombia. Speaking only a few dozen words of Spanish is not going to get it done in MDE, Cali or BAQ. You would probably be ok in CTG, but I would definitely recommend getting some experience in another LA destination first if you already haven't done so. If you decide to go. Do not under any circumstances take a bus between MDE and CTG. Any Colombian that can afford to pay for the flight will fly. Aires has very reasonable flights between the two cities, but you will have to do a BOG stop over. I have traveled by bus, but only along the coast from CTG to BAQ and Santa Marta. The trip was incident free, but extremely eye opening as to the severity of the poverty in Colombia once you head east of the Rio Magdalena in BAQ. I'm from Detroit. I don't scare easily, but Colombia is not a place to take lightly.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Vic,
You forgot to mention the monger "doosh bag" . Never leave your hotel without it.
Contents:
Alcohol Wipes
Listerine strips (enough for two)
Condoms
Hand lotion
Mouth Wash
Gum
* Pen and Paper (can't stress this enough)
A city map
Roll on fragrance oil
Smokes/ Lighter[/QUOTE]Aha, the alcohol wipes. You may have to explain that one to some of our newer friends.
[QUOTE=Blackknight]I'm not trying to deter you from visiting Colombia, but you may want to delay your visit until you've enchanced you language skills at the very least. I've been to 6 different cities in the country and I am in love with the chicas, culture, cuisine, and music of the country. I am Colombia's biggest fan, but I am fully aware of risks I take with every visit. While me and my two traveling buddies always take precautions (dress down, no jewelry, minimal English when on the streets at night, etc.), even the most savy and street smart traveler can find himself in a dangerous situation in this country. Anyone who says the country is safe is either not well informed or is seriously over confident. My last trip I met an expat who was robbed at gunpoint in Parque Lleras at 7pm on a busy street. One of my good friends from grad. School, a Paisita that studied in the USA, told me that most of the people in her family have been robbed. Her dad travels with a bodyguard in an armored car at all times. She told me I was crazy when I told her I go to El Centro and she cussed me out for telling her I was going to Comuna 13. Granted her family has money, but when rateros see gringos. They see plata. If you're speaking English you might as well be a wealthy Colombian businessman.
I would highly recommend that you visit the DR, Costa Rica or even Lima prior to Colombia. Speaking only a few dozen words of Spanish is not going to get it done in MDE, Cali or BAQ. You would probably be ok in CTG, but I would definitely recommend getting some experience in another LA destination first if you already haven't done so. If you decide to go. Do not under any circumstances take a bus between MDE and CTG. Any Colombian that can afford to pay for the flight will fly. Aires has very reasonable flights between the two cities, but you will have to do a BOG stop over. I have traveled by bus, but only along the coast from CTG to BAQ and Santa Marta. The trip was incident free, but extremely eye opening as to the severity of the poverty in Colombia once you head east of the Rio Magdalena in BAQ. I'm from Detroit. I don't scare easily, but Colombia is not a place to take lightly.[/QUOTE]Gagoo,
Not true. Spanish is useful, but not necessary. Go to a gringo hotel. Mansion, Frank's, Parcero's, etc. The owners are more than willing to take you around. The gringos who patron them are also more than willing to wing for a newbie. Going by bus from MDE to CTG is doable but not advisable for your first time. It's 14+ hours I think. Also, it depends on your route. Some places you don't want to pass through. You won't know what they are until you get there and talk to some locals.
This is not true at all. I Live from age 0 to 11 in Medellin from age 11 to 20 in USA now I live back in Colombia for almost 6 years and I have never been Robbed here in Colombia. My advise any country you go just keep the low profile.
[QUOTE=Blackknight]I'm not trying to deter you from visiting Colombia, but you may want to delay your visit until you've enchanced you language skills at the very least. I've been to 6 different cities in the country and I am in love with the chicas, culture, cuisine, and music of the country. I am Colombia's biggest fan, but I am fully aware of risks I take with every visit. While me and my two traveling buddies always take precautions (dress down, no jewelry, minimal English when on the streets at night, etc.), even the most savy and street smart traveler can find himself in a dangerous situation in this country. Anyone who says the country is safe is either not well informed or is seriously over confident. My last trip I met an expat who was robbed at gunpoint in Parque Lleras at 7pm on a busy street. One of my good friends from grad. School, a Paisita that studied in the USA, told me that most of the people in her family have been robbed. Her dad travels with a bodyguard in an armored car at all times. She told me I was crazy when I told her I go to El Centro and she cussed me out for telling her I was going to Comuna 13. Granted her family has money, but when rateros see gringos. They see plata. If you're speaking English you might as well be a wealthy Colombian businessman.
I would highly recommend that you visit the DR, Costa Rica or even Lima prior to Colombia. Speaking only a few dozen words of Spanish is not going to get it done in MDE, Cali or BAQ. You would probably be ok in CTG, but I would definitely recommend getting some experience in another LA destination first if you already haven't done so. If you decide to go. Do not under any circumstances take a bus between MDE and CTG. Any Colombian that can afford to pay for the flight will fly. Aires has very reasonable flights between the two cities, but you will have to do a BOG stop over. I have traveled by bus, but only along the coast from CTG to BAQ and Santa Marta. The trip was incident free, but extremely eye opening as to the severity of the poverty in Colombia once you head east of the Rio Magdalena in BAQ. I'm from Detroit. I don't scare easily, but Colombia is not a place to take lightly.[/QUOTE]
Hi guys,
I thought I would share my brief impressions of the 2 weeks I spent in Colombia in January.
I went there speaking 0 Spanish really. Spent 4 nights in Bogota banged 3 non pros.
Spent 5 nights in Cartagena. Banged 3 non pros, and had several other dates and other women lined up but didn't pan out. Mostly due to my lack of Spanish.
Spent 4 nights in Medellin, fell in love with the city and a wonderful woman there and I plan another visit soon. I did a few things I consider smart. I stayed close to home after 10 at night. I didn't talk to any Colombian men other than the ones working at my apartment building.
I kept to myself, stayed away from chicas that seemed like trouble and had the time of my life.
Now keep in mind I read almost every post here from the past 2 years before I went, so I had some idea of what not top do and where to avoid.
I also was aware that anything could happen at any time.
Looking forward to my next trip!
[QUOTE=Paisapimp]This is not true at all. I Live from age 0 to 11 in Medellin from age 11 to 20 in USA now I live back in Colombia for almost 6 years and I have never been Robbed here in Colombia. my advise any country you go just keep the low profile.[/QUOTE]I never said that everyone gets robbed. I've personally have never been robbed or threatened in Colombia. I merely stated that a good friend, a MDE native, has told me that nearly all of her immediate family has been robbed at some point in the city. I have no reason to believe that she would lie to me about this. The safety situation has improved significantly from the 90s, so maybe her view of her own city is clouded by the past. But nonetheless I am conveying what I've been told and what I have seen. I think anyone posting asking for help should be informed of the negatives and positives. I think it is completely unfair to newbies to just gloss over the very legitimate safety issues. Let people make informed decisions.
Staying at the Mansion and hanging out with other gringos would certainly mitigate the language issue, but personally I never understood why anyone would leave gringolandia on a trip just to meet other gringos and do fish in a barrel mongering. Just my opinion.
[QUOTE=Paisapimp]This is not true at all. I Live from age 0 to 11 in Medellin from age 11 to 20 in USA now I live back in Colombia for almost 6 years and I have never been Robbed here in Colombia. my advise any country you go just keep the low profile.[/QUOTE]Oh God, where to start?
Your situation & experience has no relevance to what these guys bring. These are two first timers with virtually no Spanish. A street sense that is innate and instinctive to you would be nonexistant for them.
Agree with Hioctane in that the Mansion or Franks would be the exception, or the only smart way to do it with no Spanish. There, anyone can hook up with a hot chica within the confines of a large private residence with lots of English speakers around that you can meet up with if you want to make a foray to the clubs or Mayorista.
Also agree that travelling overland 14 hrs between MDE & CTG would be dumb. It's too arduous and shit CAN happen. Even you carefully choose your trips during only daylight hours what's to say the bus couldn't have a problem along the way and you're stuck out in the middle of bumfuck nowhere after sunset. I doubt any highway robbers or insurgents would understand.
If you want to do some cool overland stuff then tour the Eje Cafetero, Armenia. Pereira. Manizales. The towns are only about 70 km apart, the scenery is spectacular, the roads (once you're out of the cities) are very good and they are secure. It IS the real Colombia. And there are chicas to be had. Especially in Pereira.
Blacknight is absolutely correct.
Enough said, it's all been said before on these various threads. Anyone who down plays the security concern in Colombia is doing a disservice to the unwary traveller.
HelLOOO! It's Colombia!
All the best, Schwmm
i would not travel by land south of cali this point at any hour. it's too dangerous. a friend of mine almost died in january. 5 crazy motherfuckers with guns tried to blockade the van (he was touring with a band) and when the van didn't stop they rep001tered and the opened fire on the vehicle. the driver had his cheek grazed by a bullet.
detroit is on the whole more dangerous than just about anywhere in colombia, but the difference is in detroit there are really safe areas and really fucked up areas and everybody knows where they are. in colombian cities, crime is a lot more democratic. it can hit you in the best of surroundings.
[quote=sky jump]just reading thru the last cpl weeks of post.
want to confirm i was also just told by a local and an expat i know living here that things are a little hot between cali and the border of ecuador.
they both said by no means travel at night at this time in those areas.
happy hunting,
sky[/quote]
A new treat is occuring nowadays to victimize tourists. An old guy presents himself as a tourist, asking a road or something else. This happens MID DAY in bright daylight! Meanwhile, a few feet away, another guy is observing and listening what answers are been given to the old man. Once the old man get a reply to make understand he is talking to a tourist, the "other" guy comes into action. Showing a false Police ID to you and the old man, and asks you and the old man to follow him for a police interrogation. The "other" guy is well dressed with a tie and everything, but in civil clothings. Presenting himself as an undercover agent to protect tourists and people against drug abuse and sales of drugs on the street. Once you follow him (you and the old guy), there will be explained, the police interrogation in the police station will take 2 upto 3 hours, and "if" you like, you can handle the interrogation a block (or something) away from the "fake" police station to win time. You are demanded to show your passport, open your bag (or anything you carry with you) for a check up. They take notice of your passport number, name, want your home address (a complete set up to make it look realistic). Others are into the game as well, once you make allegations you do not belief him. Same "gogo" with men having false police ID's. They take your passport and move on so you cannot see him anymore, return after a few minutes and tel you the station now is looking for information about your passport meanwhile they ask you how much money you have with you. Want you to show the money. They also ask the old man to do the same (who is standing next to you). As an example the old man gives a bunch of US dollars to the fake Police officer. He looks at the dollars and tells the old man, he will return in a few minutes with his money. And so he does. (it is to verify the serial numbers of the dollar bills). Next are YOU! You will do, as the old man (believe me! They are "VERY" convincing). Once you counted your money in front of them, they will take over the money (as they did with the old man, to check the numbers on the bills), then you can start to panic, but it is too late! He turns away from you (so you see his back and made a few passes away from you), you ask him to come back, because you do not longer trust the situation. But in the meantime they will have taken out money from your bundle you gave to him. (and not the outside bills, but from within the "inside"). He will return, to show trust in you! Hands over to you your money again. You will put away your money "immediately" without counting it, because you know, its not safe to show off your money on the street like that. He will tell you, that you "seem" ok, and will bring you back to the spot where you have been first contacted. Meanwhile telling you stories how dangerous it can be and to be alert for anything. You will get the hell out of there, because you feel very bad. Once returned to your hotel, and checking your money you WILL see, there is a bunch missing!
Contacting the Police afterwards, does not make a lot of sense. They are aware of this "new" treat, but cannot do a lot. These guys work very "efficient", "quickly on scene somewhere in the city", and vanish as quickly as they come into an area, to return to another aera the next day. Probably they only work for about 30 up to 60 minutes maximum, so they will not get caught.
BEWARE!
My advice: walk with a minimum of foreign money into this area. They do not seem to be interested in Colombian Pesos (I had 400. 000 Pesos on me and did not take away any bill. But search and take Dollars and Euro.
Stay calm, It is possible they have firearms, knives or something else with them.
When they talk about the police station they want to bring you, DO NOT follow them. Their story "may" alter, but be sure, there is NO police station, where they want to bring you. Ask them IMMEDIATELY to call a patrol car to bring you to this "so called" police station (and not an "ordinary" taxi or car) got it?
Remain in PUBLIC and on the STREET, do not go with them into a closed place away from the crowd. So you are at ANY moment surrounded by "other" people.
Stick on your opinion: YOU WANT an official investigator, in official police clothes and an official police car to bring you to the Police station! Be sure, they will LOOSE the game when you stick to this!
If possible, once you are in Bogota, put in your cell phone the official number of a police station, and or tourist police office. CAll them the moment you run into these guys, when they don't stop to bug you.
Tourist Police (Policía de turismo). Phones: (571) 337-4413. 243-1175
Metropolitan Police (Policía Metropolitana). Phone: 112
Centro Internacional
Carrera 13 #2 6-62.
Sede Policía de Turismo
Phones: (571) 337-4413. 243-1175
Office hours: From 7:00 am to 7:00 pm
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[quote=bango cheito]i would not travel by land south of cali this point at any hour. it's too dangerous. a friend of mine almost died in january. 5 crazy motherfuckers with guns tried to blockade the van (he was touring with a band) and when the van didn't stop they rep001tered and the opened fire on the vehicle. the driver had his cheek grazed by a bullet.
detroit is on the whole more dangerous than just about anywhere in colombia, but the difference is in detroit there are really safe areas and really fucked up areas and everybody knows where they are. in colombian cities, crime is a lot more democratic. it can hit you in the best of surroundings.[/quote]you should take precautions in any area you are not familiar with, not just south of cali. you're a tourist and not a local who knows where the safe and dangerous areas are. that's the problem and not that crime doesn't discriminate just in colombian cities. even in the best city in the us there is crime. my advice is to stay on the beaten path!
[QUOTE=Cream on Top]A new treat is occuring nowadays to victimize tourists. An old guy presents himself as a tourist, asking a road or something else. This happens MID DAY in bright daylight! Meanwhile, a few feet away, another guy is observing and listening what answers are been given to the old man. Once the old man get a reply to make understand he is talking to a tourist, the "other" guy comes into action. Showing a false Police ID to you and the old man, and asks you and the old man to follow him for a police interrogation. The "other" guy is well dressed with a tie and everything, but in civil clothings. Presenting himself as an undercover agent to protect tourists and people against drug abuse and sales of drugs on the street. Once you follow him (you and the old guy), there will be explained, the police interrogation in the police station will take 2 upto 3 hours, and "if" you like, you can handle the interrogation a block (or something) away from the "fake" police station to win time. You are demanded to show your passport, open your bag (or anything you carry with you) for a check up. They take notice of your passport number, name, want your home address (a complete set up to make it look realistic). Others are into the game as well, once you make allegations you do not belief him. Same "gogo" with men having false police ID's. They take your passport and move on so you cannot see him anymore, return after a few minutes and tel you the station now is looking for information about your passport meanwhile they ask you how much money you have with you. Want you to show the money. They also ask the old man to do the same (who is standing next to you). As an example the old man gives a bunch of US dollars to the fake Police officer. He looks at the dollars and tells the old man, he will return in a few minutes with his money. And so he does. (it is to verify the serial numbers of the dollar bills). Next are YOU! You will do, as the old man (believe me! They are "VERY" convincing). Once you counted your money in front of them, they will take over the money (as they did with the old man, to check the numbers on the bills), then you can start to panic, but it is too late! He turns away from you (so you see his back and made a few passes away from you), you ask him to come back, because you do not longer trust the situation. But in the meantime they will have taken out money from your bundle you gave to him. (and not the outside bills, but from within the "inside"). He will return, to show trust in you! Hands over to you your money again. You will put away your money "immediately" without counting it, because you know, its not safe to show off your money on the street like that. He will tell you, that you "seem" ok, and will bring you back to the spot where you have been first contacted. Meanwhile telling you stories how dangerous it can be and to be alert for anything. You will get the hell out of there, because you feel very bad. Once returned to your hotel, and checking your money you WILL see, there is a bunch missing!
Contacting the Police afterwards, does not make a lot of sense. They are aware of this "new" treat, but cannot do a lot. These guys work very "efficient", "quickly on scene somewhere in the city", and vanish as quickly as they come into an area, to return to another aera the next day. Probably they only work for about 30 up to 60 minutes maximum, so they will not get caught.
BEWARE!
My advice: walk with a minimum of foreign money into this area. They do not seem to be interested in Colombian Pesos (I had 400. 000 Pesos on me and did not take away any bill. But search and take Dollars and Euro.
Stay calm, It is possible they have firearms, knives or something else with them.
When they talk about the police station they want to bring you, DO NOT follow them. Their story "may" alter, but be sure, there is NO police station, where they want to bring you. Ask them IMMEDIATELY to call a patrol car to bring you to this "so called" police station (and not an "ordinary" taxi or car) got it?
Remain in PUBLIC and on the STREET, do not go with them into a closed place away from the crowd. So you are at ANY moment surrounded by "other" people.
Stick on your opinion: YOU WANT an official investigator, in official police clothes and an official police car to bring you to the Police station! Be sure, they will LOOSE the game when you stick to this!
If possible, once you are in Bogota, put in your cell phone the official number of a police station, and or tourist police office. CAll them the moment you run into these guys, when they don't stop to bug you.
Tourist Police (Policía de turismo). Phones: (571) 337-4413. 243-1175
Metropolitan Police (Policía Metropolitana). Phone: 112
Centro Internacional
Carrera 13 #2 6-62.
Sede Policía de Turismo
Phones: (571) 337-4413. 243-1175
Office hours: From 7:00 am to 7:00 pm
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